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Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: Laxin on September 28, 2014, 04:22:23 PM
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I am extremely close to jumping ship from Geno, and I know many of you are already done with him.
What do you guys have to say about the QB class next year? Favorite prospect, most underrated, most overrated, rankings or whatever you can come up with. Would love to hear some of your thoughts.
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I think Winston has the most talent, but can you trust him? Mor importantly can you trust him in NYC?
Marcus Mariota has been great so far, and Brett Hundley has been very underwhelming. Bryce Petty is a guy people liked a year ago out of Baylor, but I'm unsure how to feel about his pro prospects given that system.
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Connor Cook, Trevor Knight, and Dak Prescott are two players that need recognition as well.
I have Cook behind only Winston, Mariota, and Knight. He needs to do a little more to solidify himself as a franchise type QB prospect.
Rough draft top five:
Winston
Mariota
Knight
Cook
Hundley
Hundley will probably be the biggest mover as the season goes on.
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Connor Cook, Trevor Knight, and Dak Prescott are two players that need recognition as well.
I have Cook behind only Winston, Mariota, and Knight. He needs to do a little more to solidify himself as a franchise type QB prospect.
Rough draft top five:
Winston
Mariota
Knight
Cook
Hundley
Hundley will probably be the biggest mover as the season goes on.
I thought you disliked Mariota?
Any opinion on Kevin Hogan? He's seemed like a solid prospect from the games I saw of him last year. Good feet in the pocket, nice arm, solid frame. The footwork is reminds me of Luck.
I havent had much time this year to watch CFB games this year, Im kind of out of the loop.
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I thought you disliked Mariota?
Any opinion on Kevin Hogan? He's seemed like a solid prospect from the games I saw of him last year. Good feet in the pocket, nice arm, solid frame. The footwork is reminds me of Luck.
I havent had much time this year to watch CFB games this year, Im kind of out of the loop.
I didn't think Mariota was ready to come out in 2014. He's continuing to develop. I won't want anything to do with him if Rex Ryan/Marty Mornhinweg are still running the Jets.
If the Jets brought in someone like Kevin Sumlin or Gus Malzahn, Mariota would be a really interesting pick for us if it comes to that.
Hogan needs so much work. He's more Tom Savage than Andrew Luck. He could be a nice developmental prospect for someone.
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No way to know, but I would think Winston returns to school after the circumstances surrounding this year
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No way to know, but I would think Winston returns to school after the circumstances surrounding this year
id think it more likely he leaves wouldn't you? The most egregious act around him has been the alleged rape, and that's over and done with supposedly.
If I were him I'd want to get the heck to draft before I did something seriously stupid to prevent me from being a high draft pick.
If Manziel with all his off field stuff, lack of size and serious concerns about his games ability to translate to the next level can be a top 25 pick, then Winston a guy who has a heisman, a national title, NFL size and an NFL arm, and has never lost a game certainly can expect to be one as well, despite the theft of some crab legs and yelling FHRITP on campus.
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id think it more likely he leaves wouldn't you? The most egregious act around him has been the alleged rape, and that's over and done with supposedly.
If I were him I'd want to get the heck to draft before I did something seriously stupid to prevent me from being a high draft pick.
It depends on what kind of advice his management gives him and whether FSU is happy to keep him around or not.
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id think it more likely he leaves wouldn't you? The most egregious act around him has been the alleged rape, and that's over and done with supposedly.
If I were him I'd want to get the heck to draft before I did something seriously stupid to prevent me from being a high draft pick.
If Manziel with all his off field stuff, lack of size and serious concerns about his games ability to translate to the next level can be a top 25 pick, then Winston a guy who has a heisman, a national title, NFL size and an NFL arm, and has never lost a game certainly can expect to be one as well, despite the theft of some crab legs and yelling FHRITP on campus.
His stock is at an all time low, hes not playing as well so far this year and the off the field stuff is fresh in peoples mind. He went from being the clear-cut #1 pick to top 25. Yeah maybe he cuts his losses and comes out before he does something to further hurt his stock, but I think its best for him as a person to return to school. He's obviously still incredibly immature. Both points Badger made will probably be the deciding factors in what he decides to do.
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Not sure if this will have any bearing on his future:
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Jameis Winston purchased a $10 million disability and loss of value insurance policy, and Florida State is footing part of the bill.
A Florida State spokesman confirmed to ESPN.com on Monday that the university is paying for the reigning Heisman Trophy winner's loss of value policy with the school's Student Assistant Fund.
The spokesman did not provide a specific number as to how much the university is paying. The website Tomahawk Nation, which first reported the news, said Florida State will pay a premium in the $55,000 to $60,000 range.
Sources told ESPN.com's Darren Rovell in July that the $10 million policy is split equally between a permanent disability policy, which Winston would collect if he were injured and could never play again, and a loss of value policy, which he would collect at least a percentage of if he fell in the draft. Winston is projected to be a high first-round selection -- potentially No. 1 -- in the 2015 NFL draft if he declares following his redshirt sophomore season.
The NCAA's website states the Student Assistant Fund "shall be used to assist student-athletes in meeting financial needs that arise in conjunction with participation in intercollegiate athletics, enrollment in an academic curriculum or that recognize academic achievement."
The website adds the responsibility of the oversight and administration of funds, including interpretations of how the fund can be used, lies with the conferences.
Programs have rarely used the fund to help pay loss of value insurance policies, but a Fox Sports report documented how Texas A&M recently paid for the policy of star offensive lineman Cedric Ogbuehi, which helped convince Ogbuehi to forgo the 2014 NFL draft and return to Texas A&M.
The Florida State spokesman said the university's compliance department has been aware of the provision for quite some time.
Winston, who threw an ACC-record 40 touchdowns the past season, is eligible for the 2015 NFL draft. He was noncommittal at the ACC Kickoff earlier this month about whether he would declare following the 2014 season, but his father, Antonor, told AL.com in June that the plan is for Winston to play for Florida State in 2015. Florida State's paying for part of Winston's policy could, theoretically, help the odds that Winston returns for a fourth year.
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Gunner Kiel could be a guy that makes the jump even though he finally found a spot in college. He's had no issue changing his mind and jumping ship before. He could contend for a high spot thanks to his physical gifts alone.
I'm a big Connor Cook fan, I'd love to see him with the Jets. He's a guy who makes some bad decisions, but has a really good arm and isn't afraid to try and make a big play.
Shane Carden is showing that he deserves a shot to be something. He won't catch Mannion or Petty as too sr qbs, but he's playing himself into the mud rounds. He's got great feet, though his mechanics aren't great.
Trevor knight on the other hand has everything except height. If he was even measured at 6'2 I don't think there's a debate about the draft's #1 QB.
Jameis is a great college player, but I don't see a great prospect. He's got many of the same issues as Hundley (drops his eyes under pressure, poor ball location) except he has the cast to limit his issues.
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Gunner Kiel could be a guy that makes the jump even though he finally found a spot in college. He's had no issue changing his mind and jumping ship before. He could contend for a high spot thanks to his physical gifts alone.
I really hope he stays at Cincinnati just to show consistency.
He has all the talent in the world, but I'd hate to see him be a one-and-done there.
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I really hope he stays at Cincinnati just to show consistency.
He has all the talent in the world, but I'd hate to see him be a one-and-down there.
You might as well call him One and Gun.
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freak it
let's go get Dak Prescott
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Dak Geno Prescott.
(kidding)
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Week by week, this becomes more important.
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I still prefer Jameis to Mariota. I think Jameis is a much better fit right now for a pro-style scheme.
I don't think Mariota is a good fit for New York personality-wise. He's a very quiet kid and I don't know if he could handle the scrutiny of being the Jets quarterback while he makes the transition from Oregon's offense to a more pro-style offense.
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If we can't get Jameis Winston, I'd like to see us take Cedric Ogbuehi or Andrus Peat.
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If we can't get Jameis Winston, I'd like to see us take Cedric Ogbuehi or Andrus Peat.
So what would you do about the QB position next year in that case? (I'm not saying I disagree with you.)
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So what would you do about the QB position next year in that case? (I'm not saying I disagree with you.)
If he keeps playing this way, hold on to Michael Vick for another season and hope a decent prospect falls into the second round/sign a worthy backup like Colt McCoy or Tyrod Taylor.
We really just need a hold the fort type player at QB for 2015. This team is not going to be good for a few years.
The secondary and LB corps need to be rebuilt and the OL needs an overhaul.
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If he keeps playing this way, hold on to Michael Vick for another season and hope a decent prospect falls into the second round/sign a worthy backup like Colt McCoy or Tyrod Taylor.
We really just need a hold the fort type player at QB for 2015. This team is not going to be good for a few years.
The secondary and LB corps need to be rebuilt and the OL needs an overhaul.
I shied away from phrasing it "Would you bring back Vick?" to not influence the answer. That's exactly what I'd do too. Honestly, I might even pass on Winston. This team needs way too many foundational pieces at this point. I don't want to bring in yet another big prospect and throw him to the wolves.
At the very least, if they do draft Winston, I'd want to bring back Vick just to hold the fort while Winston learns from the bench.
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I shied away from phrasing it "Would you bring back Vick?" to not influence the answer. That's exactly what I'd do too. Honestly, I might even pass on Winston. This team needs way too many foundational pieces at this point. I don't want to bring in yet another big prospect and throw him to the wolves.
At the very least, if they do draft Winston, I'd want to bring back Vick just to hold the fort while Winston learns from the bench.
Vick at least has the year to prove himself.
If the Jets can get a hold-the-fort quarterback, I would be fine with that, but eventually we need that long-term answer. If they think Winston or Mariota has a very good chance to be a franchise quarterback, you have to take the chance. If not, then go with Vick or Bradford or Locker or some other combination and see what happens. This team could absolutely use a cornerstone offensive lineman for the next 10 years like Brick and Mangold have been for the last 10.
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Vick at least has the year to prove himself.
If the Jets can get a hold-the-fort quarterback, I would be fine with that, but eventually we need that long-term answer. If they think Winston or Mariota has a very good chance to be a franchise quarterback, you have to take the chance. If not, then go with Vick or Bradford or Locker or some other combination and see what happens. This team could absolutely use a cornerstone offensive lineman for the next 10 years like Brick and Mangold have been for the last 10.
The important thing is not going a full decade between bringing in said cornerstones.
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The important thing is not going a full decade between bringing in said cornerstones.
Well we hoped to have one in Winters, just like before that we'd hoped to have one in Ducasse. We just need to flat out draft some half-way decent offensive football players. Right now, we simply have been incapable of it.
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If we can't get Jameis Winston, I'd like to see us take Cedric Ogbuehi or Andrus Peat.
I can't endorse "Jameis to the Jets". I understand he's a Kid and immature, but I'm not handing the keys to the franchise to someone with poor judgement. No question Jameis is extremely talented and has a high football IQ, I just don't think he's the right fit for the Jets with a new football coach.
I see better possible QB candidates in 2016's draft.
I'd take Peat in a heartbeat over Ogbuehi. Peat would be my 1st choice for the Jets at this point with Cooper a close second.
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I can't endorse "Jameis to the Jets". I understand he's a Kid and immature, but I'm not handing the keys to the franchise to someone with poor judgement. No question Jameis is extremely talented and has a high football IQ, I just don't think he's the right fit for the Jets with a new football coach.
You wouldn't be handing him the keys if Michael Vick was still in town. You'd hand the franchise over to him slowly. For as much hate as Vick gets, he'd be a great mentor for a player like Jameis Winston.
Who's the right fit? There's only two potential franchise QBs in this draft class. I don't think Mariota is a better fit and he's a ways away from being pro-ready.
I see better possible QB candidates in 2016's draft.
Who? ...because if Winston stays another year, he'll be the top QB again in my opinion.
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Peat would be my 1st choice for the Jets at this point with Cooper a close second.
If Percy Harvin is still a Jet in 2015, it would be overkill to draft a receiver in the top five.
I love Amari Cooper, but wide receiver has moved down on the list of needs for us. We'd have to consider quarterback, cornerback, and offensive line over wideout.
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I can't endorse "Jameis to the Jets". I understand he's a Kid and immature, but I'm not handing the keys to the franchise to someone with poor judgement. No question Jameis is extremely talented and has a high football IQ, I just don't think he's the right fit for the Jets with a new football coach.
I see better possible QB candidates in 2016's draft.
I'd take Peat in a heartbeat over Ogbuehi. Peat would be my 1st choice for the Jets at this point with Cooper a close second.
Given how you were instrumental in convincing me Wilson and Coples were great picks when I didn't get the selections, I'll take this as a ringing endorsement of Winston.
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Well we hoped to have one in Winters, just like before that we'd hoped to have one in Ducasse. We just need to flat out draft some half-way decent offensive football players. Right now, we simply have been incapable of it.
Cornerstone = 1st round pick
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You wouldn't be handing him the keys if Michael Vick was still in town. You'd hand the franchise over to him slowly. For as much hate as Vick gets, he'd be a great mentor for a player like Jameis Winston.
Who's the right fit? There's only two potential franchise QBs in this draft class. I don't think Mariota is a better fit and he's a ways away from being pro-ready.
Who? ...because if Winston stays another year, he'll be the top QB again in my opinion.
The Jets are still going to be be shitty next year, the good thing is a new coach will be given time to improve the team.
I doubt Jameis stays another year, but you never know. The Jets probably need to add another QB in the draft, not a 1st Rd player, maybe some that can develop like a Garrett Grayson
I like Christian Hackenberg and Kevin Hogan (I believe he has another year of eligibility) who could be both top QBs in 2016.
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Given how you were instrumental in convincing me Wilson and Coples were great picks when I didn't get the selections, I'll take this as a ringing endorsement of Winston.
I never said Coples was a great Pick.
I was a Kyle Wilson fan, just like many on this site.
FWIW, I was a big fan of Kyle Fuller to the Jets, that would have been a nice addition to our lack of CBs.
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If Percy Harvin is still a Jet in 2015, it would be overkill to draft a receiver in the top five.
I love Amari Cooper, but wide receiver has moved down on the list of needs for us. We'd have to consider quarterback, cornerback, and offensive line over wideout.
We don't know if Harvin will still be a Jet, depends on what happens with the changes in the off season. I hope Percy sticks around.
Rex was prasing D-brick last week, I been watching the O-Line and D-brick's game has eroded, he's still servicable, but nothing special any longer.
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I like Christian Hackenberg and Kevin Hogan (I believe he has another year of eligibility) who could be both top QBs in 2016.
I would kill myself if the Jets had the opportunity to draft Winston, but waited a year to draft Kevin Hogan.
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If this team passes on Winston (or to a lesser extent, Mariota), Id be beyond frustrated. The one position that has held this team back for what seems like almost the entirety of its existence is the QB position. Winston may be a dumbass off the field, but his football IQ is 2nd to none in college football, and that is something that Ive come to value extremely highly.
Im sick of seeing dumb asses take the field who legitimately can not read a defense, or make a single pre-snap read. The NY Jets are going no where unless they figure the QB position out. Mike Vick or Brian Hoyer might hold the fort for a year or two, but they are never winning any significant game for us, no matter what the team around them is like.
Hitting on a young QB is the best way for this team to become a true playoff contender. Passing on an elite talent at QB (Winston) simply because you just want to wait another year or two is a decision that can haunt a franchise for years. Id rather swing for the fences on a QB prospect like Winston than draft a tackle like D'Brick... No dislike towards D'Brick, but he is/was not leading the Jets to any SB. A franchise QB would. A tackle, or OLB, taken in the top 5 probably has a similar bust rate as a QB, but a hit on a QB can lead a franchise to competing to a decade.
Also, if you fail to address the QB position relatively high in the first round, its extremely unlikely you'll find a quality QB.
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Winston is already making adjustments at the line in college and he's still never lost a game. Make sure he never goes out again and I'll take him in a heartbeat
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If he keeps playing this way, hold on to Michael Vick for another season and hope a decent prospect falls into the second round/sign a worthy backup like Colt McCoy or Tyrod Taylor.
We really just need a hold the fort type player at QB for 2015. This team is not going to be good for a few years.
The secondary and LB corps need to be rebuilt and the OL needs an overhaul.
Is it realistic to imagine that Vick could be our QB with a new HC and likely OC here?
I can't imagine us bringing him back to learn a new offense, after he played an role in getting our HC and OC fired.
I don't know what we'd do about QB if we don't draft one.
But I can almost guarantee the answers not on the roster
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If this team passes on Winston (or to a lesser extent, Mariota), Id be beyond frustrated. The one position that has held this team back for what seems like almost the entirety of its existence is the QB position. Winston may be a dumbass off the field, but his football IQ is 2nd to none in college football, and that is something that Ive come to value extremely highly.
Im sick of seeing dumb asses take the field who legitimately can not read a defense, or make a single pre-snap read. The NY Jets are going no where unless they figure the QB position out. Mike Vick or Brian Hoyer might hold the fort for a year or two, but they are never winning any significant game for us, no matter what the team around them is like.
Hitting on a young QB is the best way for this team to become a true playoff contender. Passing on an elite talent at QB (Winston) simply because you just want to wait another year or two is a decision that can haunt a franchise for years. Id rather swing for the fences on a QB prospect like Winston than draft a tackle like D'Brick... No dislike towards D'Brick, but he is/was not leading the Jets to any SB. A franchise QB would. A tackle, or OLB, taken in the top 5 probably has a similar bust rate as a QB, but a hit on a QB can lead a franchise to competing to a decade.
Also, if you fail to address the QB position relatively high in the first round, its extremely unlikely you'll find a quality QB.
I'd preorder a Randy Gregory jersey just to be safe.
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I can't imagine us bringing him back to learn a new offense, after he played an role in getting our HC and OC fired.
How did Vick play a role in getting Rex Ryan fired? Vick has played well in his one start.
That could change, but you are way off base (as usual).
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I'd preorder a Randy Gregory jersey just to be safe.
Gotta keep the streak going.
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Gunner Kiel could be a guy that makes the jump even though he finally found a spot in college. He's had no issue changing his mind and jumping ship before. He could contend for a high spot thanks to his physical gifts alone.
I'm a big Connor Cook fan, I'd love to see him with the Jets. He's a guy who makes some bad decisions, but has a really good arm and isn't afraid to try and make a big play.
Shane Carden is showing that he deserves a shot to be something. He won't catch Mannion or Petty as too sr qbs, but he's playing himself into the mud rounds. He's got great feet, though his mechanics aren't great.
Trevor knight on the other hand has everything except height. If he was even measured at 6'2 I don't think there's a debate about the draft's #1 QB.
Jameis is a great college player, but I don't see a great prospect. He's got many of the same issues as Hundley (drops his eyes under pressure, poor ball location) except he has the cast to limit his issues.
Give me Sam Bradford to take the reigns, and any combination of Cooks, Petty or Carden to sit for a year or two.
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Give me Sam Bradford to take the reigns, and any combination of Cooks, Petty or Carden to sit for a year or two.
Petty and Carden are not NFL QBs.
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Petty and Carden are not NFL QBs.
Ok.
Since you say that, I will take Sam Bradford, and any combination of Cooks, Petty or Carden.
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Is it realistic to imagine that Vick could be our QB with a new HC and likely OC here?
I can't imagine us bringing him back to learn a new offense, after he played an role in getting our HC and OC fired.
I don't know what we'd do about QB if we don't draft one.
But I can almost guarantee the answers not on the roster
Vick didn't have much to do with Rex potentially getting fired. He's played 1 game where he had a role in the outcome, and he didn't play badly. If the Jets draft Winston, Vick is a good fit to mentor him, based on almost everything we've heard about Vick. I was annoyed at the 'preparation' bit, but that was likely overblown.
Jameis has every on-field tool you need to be a star NFL quarterback. He's also an on-field vocal leader that his teammates seem to gravitate to. The only reason he's not the clear-cut #1 is because of his off-field issues.
That said, he has taken a step back on the field this season, partly due to the lesser talent around him.
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Carden definitely isn't. He's a decent college qb but the offense makes him look better than he is. And it's all passing so his stats are bloated.
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Carden definitely isn't. He's a decent college qb but the offense makes him look better than he is. And it's all passing so his stats are bloated.
The same could be said about Petty.
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I don't particularly like seeing Mariota come up when the discussion is about QBs who can already read a defense. Oregon has always relied on presnap adjustments from the sideline.
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Threaten to kill Ted Thompson if he doesn't release Aaron Rodgers. Roofie Rodgers and sign him to a 7 year deal for 120 million.
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How did Vick play a role in getting Rex Ryan fired? Vick has played well in his one start.
That could change, but you are way off base (as usual).
Vick's going to play half this season
And regardless of Vick's role, we will still have a new HC and OC plus Vick will be a UFA.
So again why would a new HC and OC resign Vick to lead and learn a new offense?
Especially if its not some WCO variation
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Vick's going to play half this season
And regardless of Vick's role, we will still have a new HC and OC plus Vick will be a UFA.
So again why would a new HC and OC resign Vick to lead and learn a new offense?
Especially if its not some WCO variation
They'll have to sign somebody. Only Jet QB on the roster for next season is Geno. Whatever QB is brought in will probably be learning a new system.
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They'll have to sign somebody. Only Jet QB on the roster for next season is Geno. Whatever QB is brought in will probably be learning a new system.
Very likely
But you could always grab someone who has some experience similar
And hell if you need someone to learn something new, is a 35 year old turnover prone, injury prone QB going to be your top choice?
If we decide to grab someone like Winston and want to red shirt him for a year then I guess Vick makes some sense. Since well have a young capable talented guy behind him ready to step in. But if we dont or are unable/not in the position to draft a QB, Vick makes even less sense.
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Jameis has every on-field tool you need to be a star NFL quarterback. He's also an on-field vocal leader that his teammates seem to gravitate to. The only reason he's not the clear-cut #1 is because of his off-field issues.
That said, he has taken a step back on the field this season, partly due to the lesser talent around him.
No offense to you, but I'm so sick of seeing this Jameis regressed because of the talent around him stuff. He has top 5 offensive supporting talent in the nation: a great college WR in rashad Greene, the best freshman WR in the country, a freak starter at RB and probably the 2nd best freshman Rb in the country, plus the best TE in the country and at least three Day one/day two picks on the OL.
I know he lost a stud rb and a gigantic WR, but the guy needs to get his game together. He throws more dumb passes then any top QB I can remember, forcing throws into traffic and clearly deciding where the ball is going before the snap. I think Jimbo micromanages him more than people realize.
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I think Jimbo micromanages him more than people realize.
What's wrong with that?
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What's wrong with that?
Kid has the decision making ability of a cantaloupe.
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Kid has the decision making ability of a cantaloupe.
That game on Friday night was horrendous. Of course the stat watchers will eat a mile of his excrement to suck his rooster, but if you actually watched it, it was bad.
I can't wait till we give up 2 three firsts to trade up to get him, and hope he doesn't get arrested.
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Kid has the decision making ability of a cantaloupe.
nah
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That game on Friday night was horrendous. Of course the stat watchers will eat a mile of his excrement to suck his rooster, but if you actually watched it, it was bad.
I can't wait till we give up 2 three firsts to trade up to get him, and hope he doesn't get arrested.
Stat watchers? His stats aren't even that strong this season. You have Bryce Petty in your avatar and you're calling Winston supporters "stat-watchers" ...? Oh, okay.
He struggled early against the best defense in the country and then shredded them for most of the second half. Most QBs cave after that kind of start.
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That game on Friday night was horrendous. Of course the stat watchers will eat a mile of his excrement to suck his rooster, but if you actually watched it, it was bad.
I can't wait till we give up 2 three firsts to trade up to get him, and hope he doesn't get arrested.
That's pretty much his game. But he's undefeated with a team of 40 5 star recruits so that means he's a hall of famer.
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Yeah, stat watchers wouldn't know that one of those shredded plays were a WR running free 50 yards down the field, that even Geno could make. People that watched the game would know that the next TD was a short pass that the receiver took to the house, or that the final TD was thrown into triple coverage, and could have just as easily gone the other way for 6.
My opinion on Petty is no secret. However, you seem to ignore that I acknowledge that Petty is not in a pro system, and I am concerned about that. This year they are having real trouble with their offensive line, and they have him looking at his first read and then running. I also don't anticipate that he will be a high pick nor a day one starter. I am pretty confident that whatever team gets him won't have to worry about him getting arrested daily.
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Yeah, stat watchers wouldn't know that one of those shredded plays were a WR running free 50 yards down the field, that even Geno could make. People that watched the game would know that the next TD was a short pass that the receiver took to the house, or that the final TD was thrown into triple coverage, and could have just as easily gone the other way for 6.
Shreeedddeddd them.
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That's pretty much his game. But he's undefeated with a team of 40 5 star recruits so that means he's a hall of famer.
Oh, I agree he probably has the highest football IQ of any quarterback in his class. That doesn't make him a good decision maker on the field though, like you are saying. However, the IQ thing is what people hang their hat on.
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Before the Louisville game, Winston was 80 of 108 for 1104 yards with 12 TD and 1 INT...while FSU was trailing.
After the Louisville game, those stats changed to 101 of 147 for 1,434 with 14 TDs and 3 INTs.
Cantaloupe
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FTR: Those TDs don't count because the wide receivers have YAC or they are wide open though.
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That's pretty much his game. But he's undefeated with a team of 40 5 star recruits so that means he's a hall of famer.
And he's one of those five star recruits. freak him for going to a strong program with elite talent. He should be written off for making a great decision.
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Before the Louisville game, Winston was 80 of 108 for 1104 yards with 12 TD and 1 INT...while FSU was trailing.
After the Louisville game, those stats changed to 101 of 147 for 1,434 with 14 TDs and 3 INTs.
Cantaloupe
Is this not considered stat watching?
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FTR: Those TDs don't count because the wide receivers have YAC or they are wide open though.
Did anyone say they didn't count?
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Is this not considered stat watching?
No, it's called using situational statistics to prove you wrong.
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General opinion of Winston seems to be based on headline scanning more than stat watching.
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Did anyone say they didn't count?
You tried to imply that they aren't impressive.
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And he's one of those five star recruits. freak him for going to a strong program with elite talent. He should be written off for making a great decision.
I was just recapping one of the many sensible pro Winston arguments from people who've never seen him play.
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No, it's called using situational statistics to prove you wrong.
Um, it wasn't my argument, and I referenced a specific game about his decision making and how bad it was.
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You tried to imply that they aren't impressive.
No, I said that stat watchers would not know how the stats were generated. However, you're right, they weren't impressive.
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General opinion of Winston seems to be based on headline scanning more than stat watching.
Ok, headline scanning.
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Um, it wasn't my argument, and I referenced a specific game about his decision making and how bad it was.
You're not giving the Louisville defense any credit at all - they are the best defense all of college football. They came out with a great gameplan to defend FSU and Winston. They won that battle for a little over two quarters.
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I was just recapping one of the many sensible pro Winston arguments from people who've never seen him play.
Presumably everyone in this thread has seen Winston play.
All I was saying was that Winston hasn't played as well as he did last year. Part of it is because he has less talent around him. FSU has zero running game. That's not an excuse, Winston still has a ton of talent around him. Part of it is he just hasn't played as well.
But if Winston played as well as he did last year, there would be no debate unless you thought the off-field stuff was enough to take him off the board.
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You're not giving the Louisville defense any credit at all - they are the best defense all of college football. They came out with a great gameplan to defend FSU and Winston. They won that battle for a little over two quarters.
Well, then, I make on record the following statement:
"Louisvilles defense was incredible impressive."
Furthermore,
"Jameis Winston's decision making in that game was horrendous for 4 quarters."
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Presumably everyone in this thread has seen Winston play.
All I was saying was that Winston hasn't played as well as he did last year. Part of it is because he has less talent around him. FSU has zero running game. That's not an excuse, Winston still has a ton of talent around him. Part of it is he just hasn't played as well.
But if Winston played as well as he did last year, there would be no debate unless you thought the off-field stuff was enough to take him off the board.
Don't assume that first part so quickly.
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"Jameis Winston's decision making in that game was horrendous for 4 quarters."
It really wasn't.
Bryce Petty's decision making has been horrendous for his entire career and his HC tells him where to throw the football.
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We need a dorky white pocket passer a la Matt Ryan/Aaron Rodgers/Tom Brady/Peyton Manning/Russel Wilson/Andrew Luck/Drew Brees
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looool
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You're not giving the Louisville defense any credit at all - they are the best defense all of college football. They came out with a great gameplan to defend FSU and Winston. They won that battle for a little over two quarters.
UL's defense had really kicked the excrement out of some great offenses before that game.
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It really wasn't.
Bryce Petty's decision making has been horrendous for his entire career and his HC tells him where to throw the football.
Like Jameis?
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What makes Winston such a good prospect is everything besides the stat sheet. He has great stats, but its what he does on the football field, especially mentally, that makes him special. Looking at his stats wont tell you his anticipation, pre-snap reads, ability to read a defense and go through reads... He didnt make great decisions for some of the game Friday, but he also showed something that everyone loved out of Sanchez- ability to play under pressure and come from behind.
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Don't assume that first part so quickly.
Who hasn't? Are we counting everyone who's made a post in this thread or are we just taking about those in the last page or so?
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Like Jameis?
Jimbo has told Jameis where to go with the ball every play, eh?
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Like Jameis?
Does FSU freeze?
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Jimbo has told Jameis where to go with the ball every play, eh?
"Throw it right in her hoo-ha"
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What makes Winston such a good prospect is everything besides the stat sheet. He has great stats, but its what he does on the football field, especially mentally, that makes him special. Looking at his stats wont tell you his anticipation, pre-snap reads, ability to read a defense and go through reads... He didnt make great decisions for some of the game Friday, but he also showed something that everyone loved out of Sanchez- ability to play under pressure and come from behind.
His clutchitude is super great, but If the kid went through his reads he wouldn't make the decisions he makes. If he could handle pressure he wouldn't drop his eyes and throw up ducks when the the pocket collapses.
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"Throw it right in her hoo-ha"
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His clutchitude is super great, but If the kid went through his reads he wouldn't make the decisions he makes. If he could handle pressure he wouldn't drop his eyes and throw up ducks when the the pocket collapses.
I think I can only recall 2 times that happened from the games Ive watched of him this year (one notably vs ND in the first quarter)... He also makes plays like the one where he stepped up and evades the rush, rolls right, keeping his eyes up, and hits Karlos Williams in stride down the right sideline during the same ND game. Or the throw to Rashad Green
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=envzRQfz-A4#t=164
2:20 mark and 6:35 respectively.
Or how about the throw to Reshad Greene at the 8:10 mark?
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I think I can only recall 2 times that happened from the games Ive watched of him this year (one notably vs ND in the first quarter)... He also makes plays like the one where he stepped up and evades the rush, rolls right, keeping his eyes up, and hits Karlos Williams in stride down the right sideline during the same ND game. Or the throw to Rashad Green
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=envzRQfz-A4#t=164
2:20 mark and 6:35 respectively.
Or how about the throw to Reshad Greene at the 8:10 mark?
Let's go pbp then:
P1- single read, throws into coverage, bad ball placement
P2- run
P3- pressure, chucks it deep over two ND safeties.
P4- clean pocket, good throw looks like it was tipped, single read
P5- great throw over a lb on a skinny post, single read
P6- PA greene open on deep cross, looks like the first read but receivers were bunched up downfield.
P7- pressure, runs
P8- TD pass on the out from the slot, single read
P9- the int you mentioned, falling off back foot. It's really the first time I see him going through his progressions
P10- second read, strong throw to flat for 2.
P11- pressure, drops his eyes and launches one out of bounds.
P12- single read, good throw into coverage
P13- single read, comeback to O Leary
P14- roll out, probably his best play of the game so far hitting a receiver going out of bounds
P15- he has OLeary but his first read was Greene and didn't have enough time to complete it
P16- bad throw to the back of the end zone in with two receivers in the same area, looks like O'Leary was the first read and the we was the backup plan, both ill advised.
P17- check down, went through progressions.
P18- single read slant, it's where he's at his best
P19- pressure, runs.
P20- single read deep in to greene
P21- Pop to oleary
P22- really poor decision, Roethlisberger type pass with a guy draped on him to the back in coverage
P23- best ball of the day so far, open receiver in a zone, places it well
P24- slant to Greene for TD, strong throw single read.
P25- single read to the outside
P26- the pressure roll out to KW, and his second read too
I let the last little bit play out, but you see how he is from the above. He's s guy who relies heavily on his first read and his receivers ability to beat their man off the snap. Jimbo can scheme an offense as well as anyone, and that plays to Jameis's strengths. The kid trusts his arm and throws it where he knows it's been practiced to go, and he gets away with it often because of his arm.
The question is does this turn him into a guy who can't adjust to making multiple reads in the pro game or someone who learns to fend off pressure like Big Ben? Ben takes a lot of hits because he seems to process everything slowly, or move around in the pocket to buy time for his guys. That's Jameis's best path to success. If he needs that same scaled down playbook when he gets in then what are we really doing?
Maybe it's just me, but that uncertainty doesn't equate to a top five pick. I can go back and bring up the EJ Manuel tape and you'll see the same throws, if not even better during his SR year. I know Winston is a soph, but him staying wouldn't be a bad call for him as a player (as a person he needs to get out though). The problem is this QB class lacks any guys who truly stand out. If there was a Hackenburg in the class, he'd be the #1 pick.
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I guess my question is this, how many QBs can develop their ability to go through progressions at the next level? In college Jameis I would guess only has to go through his one read and 85% of the time his guy is open. In the NFL that number could well drop to 50% or below. Being forced to go to that second read probably doesn't happen often in college against a normal defense to that FSU offense.
Is the ability to go through progressions something a guy like Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers developed at the NFL level, or were they more clearly capable of it in college? I know guys like Luck and Manning could do it in college, that's part of what made then such special prospects, but the standard QB to the upper tier guy who weren't elite prospects, did they come with that skill and had others to work on, or was that a skill they lacked that they developed quickly at this level?
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I guess my question is this, how many QBs can develop their ability to go through progressions at the next level? In college Jameis I would guess only has to go through his one read and 85% of the time his guy is open. In the NFL that number could well drop to 50% or below. Being forced to go to that second read probably doesn't happen often in college against a normal defense to that FSU offense.
Is the ability to go through progressions something a guy like Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers developed at the NFL level, or were they more clearly capable of it in college? I know guys like Luck and Manning could do it in college, that's part of what made then such special prospects, but the standard QB to the upper tier guy who weren't elite prospects, did they come with that skill and had others to work on, or was that a skill they lacked that they developed quickly at this level?
Colin Kaepernick played in the piston and still struggles to get to his 2nd read in the NFL. Andy Dalton still barely goes to his second read (and when that first read is likely AJ Green, it makes you look better than you are). Im not sure about Rodgers or Brees because I wasnt interested in the draft then, but Im going to guess both guys developed it in the NFL while having some ability to do so in college.
As far as Cane's post above, Ill have to go back and watch a few games and see how often Winston does get to his 2nd read. I thought it was more often than just a couple of plays a game...
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Colin Kaepernick played in the piston and still struggles to get to his 2nd read in the NFL. Andy Dalton still barely goes to his second read (and when that first read is likely AJ Green, it makes you look better than you are). Im not sure about Rodgers or Brees because I wasnt interested in the draft then, but Im going to guess both guys developed it in the NFL while having some ability to do so in college.
As far as Cane's post above, Ill have to go back and watch a few games and see how often Winston does get to his 2nd read. I thought it was more often than just a couple of plays a game...
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They'll have to sign somebody. Only Jet QB on the roster for next season is Geno. Whatever QB is brought in will probably be learning a new system.
I know I've mentioned it before
But with the way this Foles situation is playing out, Sanchez is expected to start the rest of the season and possibly post season
There's a very good chance that he's the biggest free agent QB
Still no chance whatsoever of him ending up back here?
I'm not saying we should, but he's very to be the top guy available
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I know I've mentioned it before
But with the way this Foles situation is playing out, Sanchez is expected to start the rest of the season and possibly post season
There's a very good chance that he's the biggest free agent QB
Still no chance whatsoever of him ending up back here?
I'm not saying we should, but he's very to be the top guy available
Simply put, it's unlikely.
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Simply put, it's unlikely.
What if pat shurmur is our next headcoach?
Idzik did interview him for our OC position, but he had taken the Eagles job first
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I know I've mentioned it before
But with the way this Foles situation is playing out, Sanchez is expected to start the rest of the season and possibly post season
There's a very good chance that he's the biggest free agent QB
Still no chance whatsoever of him ending up back here?
I'm not saying we should, but he's very to be the top guy available
Last year, we felt Vick was the best guy available. Vick is still likely to be one of the best options out there. We could have kept Sanchez if we wanted to, though with his contract, I totally get why we didn't.
If Sanchez does enough to prove himself, I would imagine Philly locks him up. But if he plays well and hits the open market, stranger things have happened than him returning to the Jets. Hell, 2 years ago, the Jets signed Braylon less than a week after he ripped Tannenbaum.
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Last year, we felt Vick was the best guy available. Vick is still likely to be one of the best options out there. We could have kept Sanchez if we wanted to, though with his contract, I totally get why we didn't.
If Sanchez does enough to prove himself, I would imagine Philly locks him up. But if he plays well and hits the open market, stranger things have happened than him returning to the Jets. Hell, 2 years ago, the Jets signed Braylon less than a week after he ripped Tannenbaum.
Vick was the best guy available, but we had hired his previous offensive coordinator whose offense he knows.
MM and his offense won't be here next year.
And it's highly improbable that Sanchez will turn down opportunities to start to stay in Philly.
If he plays well the rest of this season (which they have the offensive weapons in place where he could) teams will offer him more than Philly will to be a backup.
If Shurmur is our next headcoach I'd have to think the chances of Sanchez coming here have to go through the roof
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Lol. yeah pistol*
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Vick was the best guy available, but we had hired his previous offensive coordinator whose offense he knows.
MM and his offense won't be here next year.
And it's highly improbable that Sanchez will turn down opportunities to start to stay in Philly.
If he plays well the rest of this season (which they have the offensive weapons in place where he could) teams will offer him more than Philly will to be a backup.
If Shurmur is our next headcoach I'd have to think the chances of Sanchez coming here have to go through the roof
Who says if he plays well that he can't start in Philly? If Sanchez comes in and dominates, he could take that job. I doubt he dominates, but Foles doesn't have a contract past next season. The Eagles will have to decide this offseason who their long-term quarterback is. It's not inconceivable they choose Sanchez.
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Who says if he plays well that he can't start in Philly? If Sanchez comes in and dominates, he could take that job. I doubt he dominates, but Foles doesn't have a contract past next season. The Eagles will have to decide this offseason who their long-term quarterback is. It's not inconceivable they choose Sanchez.
It's wildly unlikely Foles gets replaced by Sanchez.
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It's wildly unlikely Foles gets replaced by Sanchez.
Foles isn't that good
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MM and his offense won't be here next year.
Vick can play in other offense.
jesus
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Foles isn't that good
Compare his numbers this and last year to any point of Sanchezs career
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It's wildly unlikely Foles gets replaced by Sanchez.
wildly?
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dcm's scenarios require strong assumptions made in every direction.
"If Sanchez plays well enough to be the top FA QB, but doesn't play well enough to unseat Foles, and the Jets fire the coaching staff and hire Pat Shurmur and let Vick walk, then Sanchez is easily our starting QB next year."
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Compare his numbers this and last year to any point of Sanchezs career
2014 Foles vs 2011 Sanchez
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dcm's scenarios require strong assumptions made in every direction.
"If Sanchez plays well enough to be the top FA QB, but doesn't play well enough to unseat Foles, and the Jets fire the coaching staff and hire Pat Shurmur and let Vick walk, then Sanchez is easily our starting QB next year."
Foles had the highest passer rating in the NFL last year.
You think it takes a wild assumption to think the Eagles would rather keep him instead of Sanchez?
Or that the Jets fire the people who have led this team to its worst start in franchise history?
The only assumption was what if we hire shurmur, who is a guy that we had interviewed for an OC spot but ended up going to the Eagles instead. And shurmur is expected to be a hot HC candidate
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If Sanchez has sex with Foles' girlfriend and gets caught, the Foles will tear his rotator cuff punching Sanchez. Sanchez will get traded because he'd be a locker room problem. The Jets are clearly the number one taker of previous locker room problems because Harvin, Holmes, etc.
Basically, if Nacho gets horny one night, he's a Jet again.
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Foles had the highest passer rating in the NFL last year.
Foles was a player in an offense that no one had any tape on and they didn't have much tape on the player either - the Eagles offense is still very strong, but teams have figured out how to exploit Foles this year.
He's turned the ball over a lot.
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Foles had the highest passer rating in the NFL last year.
You think it takes a wild assumption to think the Eagles would rather keep him instead of Sanchez?
I think it's likely the Eagles keep Foles, and incredibly unlikely that Sanchez comes back here. Your scenario requires him to play exactly well enough to not unseat Foles but somehow well enough to convince this team to take another chance on him. It's just silly.
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If Sanchez has sex with Foles' girlfriend and gets caught, the Foles will tear his rotator cuff punching Sanchez. Sanchez will get traded because he'd be a locker room problem. The Jets are clearly the number one taker of previous locker room problems because Harvin, Holmes, etc.
Basically, if Nacho gets horny one night, he's a Jet again.
If Nacho gets some, I'd have to think the chances of Sanchez coming here have to go through the roof.
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If Nacho gets some, I'd have to think the chances of Sanchez coming here have to go through the roof.
Sanchez is one rubber away from starting for us next week.
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Sanchez is one rubber away from starting for us next week.
Actually the chances are higher if he doesn't use one.
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... How did this turn into a Foles and Sanchez thread... in the draft forum...
dcm.
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... How did this turn into a Foles and Sanchez thread... in the draft forum...
dcm.
Actually someone asked what we should do at QB if we miss the good QB prospects
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I guess my question is this, how many QBs can develop their ability to go through progressions at the next level? In college Jameis I would guess only has to go through his one read and 85% of the time his guy is open. In the NFL that number could well drop to 50% or below. Being forced to go to that second read probably doesn't happen often in college against a normal defense to that FSU offense.
Is the ability to go through progressions something a guy like Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers developed at the NFL level, or were they more clearly capable of it in college? I know guys like Luck and Manning could do it in college, that's part of what made then such special prospects, but the standard QB to the upper tier guy who weren't elite prospects, did they come with that skill and had others to work on, or was that a skill they lacked that they developed quickly at this level?
Every guy is different and is all based upon the offense he comes from. Rodgers came from the Tedford offense and took a lot of heat after the failures of guys like Kyle Boller and Akili Smith. Rodgers had a wonky throwing motion that he had to fix, and buy the offense actually prepared him pretty well. He also had a lot of time to develop in the pros.
I think what stands out about Winston's game is that there was a surprising lack of outside the hash mark throws. I'll need to go through a lot more to see if that's consistent because it's a strange thing. It makes his reads simpler, because then Jimbo can tell him 1-2-run so he can get through his reads in a second or so after he hits his back step.
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I think I can only recall 2 times that happened from the games Ive watched of him this year (one notably vs ND in the first quarter)... He also makes plays like the one where he stepped up and evades the rush, rolls right, keeping his eyes up, and hits Karlos Williams in stride down the right sideline during the same ND game. Or the throw to Rashad Green
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=envzRQfz-A4#t=164
2:20 mark and 6:35 respectively.
Or how about the throw to Reshad Greene at the 8:10 mark?
I don't know enough about the draft class to say where he 'deserves' to go but Winston is laughably better than Geno is right now.
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Cosell: Not that impressed with Mariota vs SU
NFL analyst Greg Cosell said on the Midday 180 radio program that he "wasn't that impressed" by Oregon redshirt junior QB Marcus Mariota versus Stanford.
Cosell's specific complaint after watching the game against Stanford was that Mariota "doesn't throw that well." This is something we've heard before. Several days ago, CBS Sports' Rob Rang broke down the game by saying that Mariota "wasn't perfect" and that the quarterback missed multiple open receivers. "The passing windows he'll see in the NFL are much smaller," wrote Rang. While these whispers about Mariota are bound to continue to float around, Mariota is a special physical talent and it would probably take several truly awful games for his stock to drop significantly.
Scout: Jameis is 'like really, really good'
FSU redshirt sophomore QB Jameis Winston earned praise from one scout who spoke with SI's Inside Read.
"If you need a quarterback, it’s going to be a tough decision to make," the scout said. "He’s really good. Like really, really good." The scout added he does not see how a team could say Marcus Mariota is a better player than Winston on-field, outside of the 49ers and Eagles due to their offense. Outside of the sexual assault incident, the evaluator simply calls Winston's off-field incidents "immature" and discussed how clutch the quarterback has been in the second half to go along with the pre-snap checks he makes.
Source: Rotoworld, aka our next GM
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After being so specific about Jameis, I decided to look more closely into what I could get of Cook and Mariota.
Mariota isn't any more developed right now than he was as a sophomore. It's a shame because he has some potentially great skills. He's a great athlete overall and bounces around the pocket when he stays in there, but he doesn't translate that into his feet as a passer. He has mediocre at best mechanics and is inconsistent with his release which is why he can be so randomly inaccurate.
Cook on the other hand has a lot to like. In terms of in-pocket athleticism, he may have the advantage over the other two because he uses his so well. On rollouts he squares his shoulder and delivers passes with strength. He slides and avoids pressure without needing to bring the ball down. His biggest issue right now is that he needs to get more consistent with his accuracy, but at the same time he makes some great throws to the outside anticipating his receivers hitting spots. He trusts his guys more than anyone I can remember recently (especially Lippett, who is really underrated). His arm is strong and mechanics sound. Most importantly, you can see him progress through his reads with a calm that makes him appear a lot more seasoned than he is.
Right now, I'd rank them 1. Cook, 2. Winston, 3. Mariota (not including any other guys).
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Cook misses on so many easy throws
I would take him over Mariota though
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Cook misses on so many easy throws
I would take him over Mariota though
I don't disagree that he misses on more passes than he should, but I'd counter with the fact that he has passing windows not very dissimilar to what he'll have in the pros. He doesn't have receivers that win 1 on 1 battles all that well (except for Lippett, but even he plays slow), but he does a great job throwing these guys open.
It sounds silly to say, but accuracy isn't really one of the more important tools I'd be concerned about because it can be schemed. He's asked to make more difficult throws and more complex reads (specifically this year, he's made great strides in the pocket, night and day in terms of confidence) and handles it well. I'm not saying that Jameis couldn't necessarily do it, but he just hasn't.
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I don't disagree that he misses on more passes than he should, but I'd counter with the fact that he has passing windows not very dissimilar to what he'll have in the pros. He doesn't have receivers that win 1 on 1 battles all that well (except for Lippett, but even he plays slow), but he does a great job throwing these guys open.
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What's wrong with that?
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What's wrong with that?
Double Negative... Would have been much simpler to write that they were similar.
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Double Negative... Would have been much simpler to write that they were similar.
They aren't consistently wide open like some guys have in college, but they're also not quite the degree of difficulty that NFL QBs see.
They're not perfectly similar; they are somewhat similar. I don't really see how either is "much simpler to write" than the other. The whole thing only became much more to write because you wanted to nitpick rather than actually participate in discussion.
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prrrt
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Incarcerated Bob should make up more stories about Jameis so he drops to the 2nd round. Get Andrus Peat and Jameis.
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Not sure where else to put this, put apparently Jim Mora believes Hundley will declare.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/11/jim-mora-brett-hundley-to-declare-for-2015-nfl-draft/
No thanks.
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Anyone have an idea of whether the 2016 qb crop might look better than 2015? Probably too early.
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Anyone have an idea of whether the 2016 qb crop might look better than 2015? Probably too early.
Let me put on my dcm cap and launch into a hypothetical.
-If Cook stays in school and continues to develop
-If Prescott improves on the abilities people want in a pro QB
-If guys like Hackenberg/Hogan take a big leap forward
-If Jacob Coker comes in and lights it up
-If some relative unknown makes a big name for himself
Someone who knows more about Jared Goff should chime in on him. And I don't know what to make of/expect with the three Ohio State guys.
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A lot of guys to like for 2016, but with QBs you never know. It really comes down to how they progress that last year. Guys I touted as being money prospects the next year who didn't develop are plentiful.
People are still now holding onto what we thought Jameis and Mariota could be as of May 2014, not what they actually are.
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A lot of guys to like for 2016, but with QBs you never know. It really comes down to how they progress that last year. Guys I touted as being money prospects the next year who didn't develop are plentiful.
People are still now holding onto what we thought Jameis and Mariota could be as of May 2014, not what they actually are.
Most people's favorite quarterbacks entering last year were Teddy Bridgewater, maybe Johnny Manziel. Both fell past the Jets pick. This year, everyone thought Jameis Winston was the best prospect. Now, that's certainly not a sure thing anymore.
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Jared Goff babbie
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If we draft a QB with our first pick, think we could still trade for a QB too ?
IE landing Jameis/Mariota then giving up a pick for one of the Skins QBs or something ?
That way we have a starter, and a quality developmental prospect who could also come in and start if need be.
Double dipping isnt the most common thing you see, but the need is pretty obvious
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If we draft a QB with our first pick, think we could still trade for a QB too ?
IE landing Jameis/Mariota then giving up a pick for one of the Skins QBs or something ?
That way we have a starter, and a quality developmental prospect who could also come in and start if need be.
Double dipping isnt the most common thing you see, but the need is pretty obvious
Trade for Skins QBs, quality developmental prospect, pick one
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We should draft Johnny football
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Trade for Skins QBs, quality developmental prospect, pick one
I'd give Cousins or McCoy a shot. RG3 is a different flavor of Geno Smith
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I have no idea what to do at QB, but no option looks good.
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I have no idea what to do at QB, but no option looks good.
It doesn't help that [Future HC of NYJ] doesn't have a clue how to develop a quarterback.
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It doesn't help that [Future HC of NYJ] doesn't have a clue how to develop a quarterback.
Fire [Future HC of NYJ]
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000444941/article/michigan-state-qb-connor-cook-will-return-for-senior-season
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000444941/article/michigan-state-qb-connor-cook-will-return-for-senior-season
o really?
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000444941/article/michigan-state-qb-connor-cook-will-return-for-senior-season
Bring on Sean Mannion ! ! ! !
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He can help lock himself into the top ten next year by staying. He's got great skills, but has to improve his accuracy and consistency. I don't think MSU has great talent coming back so he'll have to prove he can elevate them.
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Bring on Sean Mannion ! ! ! !
Nope.
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He can help lock himself into the top ten next year by staying. He's got great skills, but has to improve his accuracy and consistency. I don't think MSU has great talent coming back so he'll have to prove he can elevate them.
Mark Chmura's kid is there. He can just chuck it to him every play.
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Nope.
Sarcasm, but, him and Grayson are the only two I wouldn't mind in the late rounds to compete for a backup role.
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better go get my babbie Garrett Grayson in the third round (if he's there)
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better go get my babbie Garrett Grayson in the third round (if he's there)
GRAYSON HYPE TRAIN 2015!! HOP ON EVERYONE.
This QB class is so thin to where Grayson is definitely the third best prospect out there and he's going to go in the top 3 rounds. I just hope some team idiotically takes Hundley before him (Not the Jets please dear god).
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Garrett Gray-me
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GRAYSON HYPE TRAIN 2015!! HOP ON EVERYONE.
This QB class is so thin to where Grayson is definitely the third best prospect out there and he's going to go in the top 3 rounds. I just hope some team idiotically takes Hundley before him (Not the Jets please dear god).
I won't be mad if the Jets take Brett Hundley in the second round, but they better have a stopgap QB ready to roll before a pick like that is made.
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I won't be mad if the Jets take Brett Hundley in the second round, but they better have a stopgap QB ready to roll before a pick like that is made.
Bert Hundley
/brothermoose
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Bring on Sean Mannion ! ! ! !
Yuck. I remember watching Brandin Cooks highlights last year and wondering who his shitty quarterback was
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Peen Grayson for NYJ QB
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I won't be mad if the Jets take Brett Hundley in the second round, but they better have a stopgap QB ready to roll before a pick like that is made.
I wouldn't be the biggest fan of that, I don't really like Hundley that much as a prospect, but I have no idea what offense is going to be in place next year so...
Yuck. I remember watching Brandin Cooks highlights last year and wondering who his shitty quarterback was
One time I saw Mannion look off a safety and throw to his second receiver so he's already better than Geno.
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Peen Train 2015
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I hadn't paid him a ton of attention before but I'm with you guys on Grayson. The kid can sling it. Just on quick glance he looks like a late first/early second round talent. He seems to have the ability to move around a little too. Hopefully draft breakdown finds some grainy footage.
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I hadn't paid him a ton of attention before but I'm with you guys on Grayson. The kid can sling it. Just on quick glance he looks like a late first/early second round talent. He seems to have the ability to move around a little too. Hopefully draft breakdown finds some grainy footage.
Just watch the Rashard "Hollywood" Higgins stuff. Best footage we're going to get until the Las Vegas Bowl.
That kid (Higgins) is very good...I wish he was eligible.
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Peen Grayson for NYJ QB
they did a nice job on his hair foreskin.
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Just watch the Rashard "Hollywood" Higgins stuff. Best footage we're going to get until the Las Vegas Bowl.
That kid (Higgins) is very good...I wish he was eligible.
I'm fired up to see him live, but watching Higgins' tape and seeing him throw the ball I feel like I'm looking at a first round pick. There's a huge void there, and if he's judged to be 2nd round caliber as a QB, that means he's first round caliber.
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Vick's insight on Winston: http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/12/jets_michael_vick_says_jameis_winston_is_the_future_of_the_nfl_but_will_find_it_hard_to_thrive_in_ne.html
Ignore the url/headline. What Vick has to say is much more nuanced.
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http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/12/22/cardale-jones-ohio-state-buckeyes
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http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/12/22/cardale-jones-ohio-state-buckeyes
I'm telling you all, watch what happens if he shows out in this playoff.
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I'm telling you all, watch what happens if he shows out in this playoff.
In your eyes does Jones need to play both games to go pro? If he has a great game vs. Bama but loses, can he still legitimately go pro?
I have no idea what to think about Jones situation and his potential with so little collegiate experience.
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“Dude, come on, let’s do the math here. J.T. is younger than me, he’s the future right there, and you got Braxton coming back. You want me to stick around and be the third quarterback forever?”
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In your eyes does Jones need to play both games to go pro? If he has a great game vs. Bama but loses, can he still legitimately go pro?
I have no idea what to think about Jones situation and his potential with so little collegiate experience.
Just to get the tape I'd say the three games and having them be all against high level defenses (if FSU beats Oregon) would give teams just another bit of confidence that would have a big impact. I've been trying to think of a similar circumstance, but they usually involve a kid getting kicked out before he gets a shot.
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Just to get the tape I'd say the three games and having them be all against high level defenses (if FSU beats Oregon) would give teams just another bit of confidence that would have a big impact. I've been trying to think of a similar circumstance, but they usually involve a kid getting kicked out before he gets a shot.
I'm willing to bet there isn't another circumstance out there like it.
I still expect him to flounder against Bama, but it sure would make it exciting draft wise if he goes crazy against Bama.
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I was super high on Winston. I saw a future franchise quarterback. Now, with all the off the field stuff and his on the field play at times this year he's making me a bit more cautious.
The thing is, if after all the post season workouts, the combine, interviews, etc. You even have an inkling of thought he can be a franchise guy you gotta take him
If not, don't touch QB until round 4.
As hard as it is to say, this team is talent depleted. There's too many holes to take another flawed or "maybe" qb in the mid rounds.
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We may be adding Cardale Jones to the list of QB's. Obviously we haven't seen a ton of him, but of the 3 games he played this year, I was impressed enough that drafting him somewhat early is something I would support. I have no idea where he would project at this point, but I feel much better about him in round 2 than I do Bryce Petty or any of the other QB's. What we do know is that he's a big strong QB who throws a pretty good ball, runs well, is a leader and not afraid of the big stage. Are there technical things that he could work on to improve? Of course. But those 4 things I mentioned above are enough for me to say without a doubt, that I would want him on the NYJ.
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We may be adding Cardale Jones to the list of QB's. Obviously we haven't seen a ton of him, but of the 3 games he played this year, I was impressed enough that drafting him somewhat early. I have no idea where he would project at this point, but I feel much better about him in round 2 than I do Bryce Petty or any of the other QB's. What we do know is that he's a big strong QB who throws a pretty good ball, runs well, is a leader and not afraid of the big stage. Are there technical things that he could work on to improve? Of course. But those 4 things I mentioned above are enough for me to say without a doubt, that I would want him on the NYJ.
Cardale at 6
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Step One: Get Tom Herman to Belichick Houston for the Jets OC job.
Step Two: Draft Cardale Jones
Step Three: Profit
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We may be adding Cardale Jones to the list of QB's. Obviously we haven't seen a ton of him, but of the 3 games he played this year, I was impressed enough that drafting him somewhat early is something I would support. I have no idea where he would project at this point, but I feel much better about him in round 2 than I do Bryce Petty or any of the other QB's. What we do know is that he's a big strong QB who throws a pretty good ball, runs well, is a leader and not afraid of the big stage. Are there technical things that he could work on to improve? Of course. But those 4 things I mentioned above are enough for me to say without a doubt, that I would want him on the NYJ.
I'm not a scout by any means, but to me the only thing he's proven is that the spotlight isn't too much for him.
1. He stares down his receivers a lot, I mean a lot. On one of his deep bombs to Smith, he watched him run his entire post route up and across the field. He needs to work on progressions.
2. People keep saying he has great pocket presence. I'd disagree, yes he feels pressure well, but he didn't show me he has the ability to move in the pocket and climb when necessary. He's definitely not afraid of getting hit, but a young qb who quickly leaves the pocket is not going to have success in the NFL. Athleticism is a gift and curse. He needs more game experience.
3. It's hard to judge a person's character by press conferences and interviews, but I'm not sure this guy can be the leader of our entire team. Eli's done it without being that Alpha male, but I think he's the exception to the rule. I find it hard to believe that Cardale can be the guy to rally all the troops when the chips are down.
With all this being said, the kid is super young, and could mature and develop to be a great player, but a 2nd round pick at this moment would be a huge mistake in my eyes.
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With all this being said, the kid is super young
He's 22; he hasn't played much, but he's already three years out of high school.
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To be honest, any proclamations of wanting to draft Cardale Jones by me are primarily motivated by my fear drafting of Marcus Mariota, which Heismanberg believes is a potentially likely turn of events if we hire 4Chan Homosexually.
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Watching ESPN and Matt Millen is raving about Cardale. That means he will be a poor man's JaMarcus.
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Well there goes that. I do believe another year or two in school would benefit him, but i definitely came away very impressed with him
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Jameis looks fat. I believe that the last few players to have 'overweight' pictures come out before the draft were Lacy and Jeffrey. Draft this fat derriere
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Jameis looks fat. I believe that the last few players to have 'overweight' pictures come out before the draft were Lacy and Jeffrey. Draft this fat derriere
I think that's just that band squeezing him. He isn't fat. Not skinny either.
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I think that's just that band squeezing him. He isn't fat. Not skinny either.
He seems to be missing some of his waistline under the band, it kinda looks photoshopped in some way.
But regardless, I doubt Winston is outta shape.
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Most athletes gain a ton of weight in the offseason. I'm sure it comes right off when they start training again.
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Besides the Eagles (obviously), the Jets are probably the best fit schematically for Marcus Mariota.
I'm hoping that he's gone by #6 or that we can trade out, but it'd be interesting to see how Chan Gailey would use him in a true version of the spread.
If you draft him, just keep his derriere in the pistol and shotgun.
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Besides the Eagles (obviously), the Jets are probably the best fit schematically for Marcus Mariota.
I'm hoping that he's gone by #6 or that we can trade out, but it'd be interesting to see how Chan Gailey would use him in a true version of the spread.
If you draft him, just keep his derriere in the pistol and shotgun.
Mariota and Spiller would be fun to watch
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Mariota and Spiller would be fun to watch
MM can be very similar to Colin Kaepernick in the NFL.
My main concern is the durability of both. CJ Spiller has always been injury prone, much like Ryan Mathews. Both of those guys just suffer stupid, soft injuries that keep them off the field.
Mariota has never dealt with any serious injuries and he played through a few minor ones, but he'll need to develop a pocket game in the NFL or he's going to get the excrement beat out of him outside of the pocket and running the football.
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MM can be very similar to Colin Kaepernick in the NFL.
My main concern is the durability of both. CJ Spiller has always been injury prone, much like Ryan Mathews. Both of those guys just suffer stupid, soft injuries that keep them off the field.
Mariota has never dealt with any serious injuries and he played through a few minor ones, but he'll need to develop a pocket game in the NFL or he's going to get the excrement beat out of him outside of the pocket and running the football.
I think he has a good chance at having a far better career than Kaep- I just think Kaepernick is extremely limited. His initial role might be similar to Kaep, but I think he can progress mentally and resemble something similar to Russell Wilson. Durability is a concern though- it would be beneficial of him to put on 10-15 pounds even if he loses a little bit of speed.
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I think he has a good chance at having a far better career than Kaep- I just think Kaepernick is extremely limited. His initial role might be similar to Kaep, but I think he can progress mentally and resemble something similar to Russell Wilson. Durability is a concern though- it would be beneficial of him to put on 10-15 pounds even if he loses a little bit of speed.
Why do you think Colin Kaepernick is limited? He has one of the strongest arms in the NFL and elite athleticism.
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Why do you think Colin Kaepernick is limited? He has one of the strongest arms in the NFL and elite athleticism.
Mentally. I dont think he's ever going to be an intelligent QB by NFL standards.
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If the Buccaneers take Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota with the first overall pick in the NFL draft, does that mean the Titans will take the other quarterback at No. 2?
Not according to Titans General Manager Ruston Webster, who is talking up Zach Mettenberger as a potential quarterback of the future in Tennessee — and talking down the possibility that the Titans will take a quarterback with their first-round pick.
“Zach has done a great job of everything we’ve asked,” Webster told the Tennessean. “He’s working hard, and it is important to him. He just needs to keep doing that. … I know with all the questions it’s difficult, but he just needs to keep doing what he is doing, and he understands that. There’s also some other players involved, too. There’s going to be good defensive players, good receivers, and where do those other guys fit in? Really, the [second overall pick] is not all about the quarterbacks. A lot of other positions are involved, too.”
Mettenberger started six games last year after the Titans chose him in the sixth round of the draft, and he showed some promise, completing 59.8 percent of his passes with eight touchdowns and seven interceptions. Mettenberger’s stats were better than those of Jake Locker, the former first-round quarterback whom the Titans will allow to walk in free agency this offseason, and Webster is liking what he’s seeing of Mettenberger.
“We like Zach, and I think Zach has the tools to play and start in the league,” Webster said. “We’ve said all along that this is a part of this process, and we have to do our due diligence all the way through. Zach knows we are going to do that, and this is just kind of part of it. These guys are part of the evaluation process along with other positions. And we’ll take a good look at them.”
It’s no sure thing that Mettenberger will develop into a quality starting quarterback. But Mettenberger may have shown enough to make the Titans think they can pass on Winston or Mariota.
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SMOKESCREEN THEYRE TAKING HUNDLEY
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Winston - 6'4" 231 Lbs
Mariota - 6'4" 222 Lbs
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Winston - 6'4" 231 Lbs
Mariota - 6'4" 222 Lbs
But are their arms too long?
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But are their arms too long?
Jameis's gut reportedly accounts for 70% of his weight.
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Correction: Both are 6'3" 3/4
Get your excrement together SFD
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I guess Mariota bulked up some. I wonder if he has a bubble butt.
/Scott Wright
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I guess Mariota bulked up some.
Not much. 3 pounds heavier than his listed weight.
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I guess Mariota bulked up some. I wonder if he has a bubble butt.
/Scott Wright
That fucker didn't add comments for the senior bowl. They better be there for the combine.
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Caldwell said he's open to trading out of his top pick. That makes things funky for Philly if they really want Mariota, they'll need to either find a good enough package that doesn't include Foles to get that pick or they'll have to keep their fingers crossed that no-one else wants him enough to trade into the Jags' spot.
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Caldwell said he's open to trading out of his top pick. That makes things funky for Philly if they really want Mariota, they'll need to either find a good enough package that doesn't include Foles to get that pick or they'll have to keep their fingers crossed that no-one else wants him enough to trade into the Jags' spot.
Worst case both QBs go before us and a non-qb talent falls that wouldn't have otherwise.
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Caldwell said he's open to trading out of his top pick. That makes things funky for Philly if they really want Mariota, they'll need to either find a good enough package that doesn't include Foles to get that pick or they'll have to keep their fingers crossed that no-one else wants him enough to trade into the Jags' spot.
I doubt anyone that trades for that pick wants a QB. They'll be jumping ahead of Oakland for a wide receiver or pass rusher.
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I doubt anyone that trades for that pick wants a QB. They'll be jumping ahead of Oakland for a wide receiver or pass rusher.
Unless Cleveland fall in love with Mariota and really don't trust us not to take him, or Philly to trade up for him. They have Johnny Manziel and two first round picks to play with.
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Unless Cleveland fall in love with Mariota and really don't trust us not to take him, or Philly to trade up for him. They have Johnny Manziel and two first round picks to play with.
Oakland and Washington can trade out as well. Just because Caldwell brought up the idea doesn't mean Jacksonville at #3 is the only team that can trade out.
If someone wants to give all that up for Marcus Mariota, that's fine. It just means a solid player will slide down to us. I'm hoping both QBs go in the top five. Let us get a WR or an OLB.
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No argument from me, you know my feelings on the QBs in this draft. I do quite like the idea of being able to trade out of our pick to get a QB and a couple more picks in return though.
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Marcus Mariota is a better fit in New York than Jameis Winston, but this isn't a short term move.
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Did someone else already mention the Jameis + Marcus = Jamarcus thing?
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https://instagram.com/p/y3WU_EBMYf/
Jetpack = Jameis to Jets confirmed
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Former NFL personnel executive and current NFL consultant Chris Landry has been going on Tampa radio to talk about Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston in recent weeks. And yesterday, he revealed a long, long list of names of personnel executives and coaches who prefer one or the other quarterback, in a conversation with 620 WDAE's Steve Duemig. JoeBucsFan has the audio and the list:
Edge Winston:
Mike Shula, Joe Philbin, Marty Mornhinweg, Hue Jackson, Jedd Fisch, Frank Reich, Doug Whaley, Ryan Grigson, Dave Caldwell, Scot McCloughan.
Edge Mariota:
Sean Payton, Darrell Bevell, Gary Kubiak, Bill O'Brien, Pep Hamilton, Doug Pederson, Andy Reid, Bill Lazor, Tom Clements, Mike McCarthy, Norv Turner, Josh McDaniels, Bruce Arians, Jeff Fisher, Les Snead, John Schneider, Trent Baalke, Steve Keim, Ted Thompson, Jerry Reese, Ozzie Newsome, Kevin Colbert, Tom Telesco.
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"Landry did make it clear that he asked only executives and coaches who had watched the film, and he was asking based only on the on-field evaluation, not the off-field stuff."
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^ Do Scotty the Drunk and Morninwhig cancel each other out?
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Interesting that Arians prefers Mariota
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Interesting so many prefer Mariota if you ignore off the field stuff.
Secondly I see a distinct lack of Jets/Bucs interviewed in this.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000477616/article/report-marcus-mariota-to-work-out-for-titans?campaign-=Twitter_nfl_cfb
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Titans trying to get Chip to give them everything
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Titans trying to get Chip to give them everything
"Give it to us, Chip! We want it allllll"
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Did someone else already mention the Jameis + Marcus = Jamarcus thing?
Oh excrement.
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Jets are meeting with Hundley at UCLA today.
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We should not be surprised if we are meeting with all QB prospects given how shitty our QB situation is
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http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/52722/349/2015s-quarterback-conundrum
Some interesting stats. The fact that Mariota went deeper than 10 yards more than Winston surprises being that Mariota is known as the short dink and dunk, screen QB... and past 10 yards he was the most accurate QB.
Mariota was the best while under pressure, Winston second, and Hundley with over a 30% drop in no pressure vs pressure.
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Some interesting stats. The fact that Mariota went deeper than 10 yards more than Winston surprises being that Mariota is known as the short dink and dunk, screen QB... and past 10 yards he was the most accurate QB.
Bold is false.
Oregon throws down the field a lot. He's known for playing in a no-huddle offense that confuses defenses, so his first reads are usually wide open. Not a lot of his throws are contested.
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Fine fine dcm mode
If we drafted Mariota and redshirted him for a year.
Could you see chip throw everything at us for him if Bradford doesn't work out?
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http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/52722/349/2015s-quarterback-conundrum
Some interesting stats. The fact that Mariota went deeper than 10 yards more than Winston surprises being that Mariota is known as the short dink and dunk, screen QB... and past 10 yards he was the most accurate QB.
Mariota was the best while under pressure, Winston second, and Hundley with over a 30% drop in no pressure vs pressure.
Every year those numbers come out, but hard to really put them into context without knowing the QBs. Mariota's ability to hit open WRs gets him the higher %, whereas Winston is lower because of the windows he tries to throw in. The pressure numbers are also tough to quantify because designed screens and rollouts probably get marked as pressure throws, but are easier than straight pocket throws.
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Bold is false.
Oregon throws down the field a lot. He's known for playing in a no-huddle offense that confuses defenses, so his first reads are usually wide open. Not a lot of his throws are contested.
I agree with your assessment of his play, but I think with the masses they just lump him in with the Geno's of the world (high percentage throws, no reads, screen passes).
I was going to point out that his downfield accuracy could be so high because of the lack of contested throws, but I figured everyone here knew that.
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Fine fine dcm mode
If we drafted Mariota and redshirted him for a year.
Could you see chip throw everything at us for him if Bradford doesn't work out?
OR...or...how about this...if we drafted Mariota and he turned out to be a weregiraffe. Would that increase his value, since he could see over everyone's heads while in giraffe mode?
Or what if the day after we draft Mariota, the autistic kid who's dream we are all living in wakes up? Would the draft even exist?
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Every year those numbers come out, but hard to really put them into context without knowing the QBs. Mariota's ability to hit open WRs gets him the higher %, whereas Winston is lower because of the windows he tries to throw in. The pressure numbers are also tough to quantify because designed screens and rollouts probably get marked as pressure throws, but are easier than straight pocket throws.
I doubt they counted screens as pressured throws, but I know what you're getting at. Its obviously not the end all be all, but just worth noting, especially to see if something sticks out- which imo happened to be that Hundley is not very good under pressure.
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OR...or...how about this...if we drafted Mariota and he turned out to be a weregiraffe. Would that increase his value, since he could see over everyone's heads while in giraffe mode?
Or what if the day after we draft Mariota, the autistic kid who's dream we are all living in wakes up? Would the draft even exist?
Could he control when he goes into giraffe mode? If it's a full moon thing then it's not worth the investment because there will rarely be opportunities for him to turn. If he harnesses his powers though, I'm all for it.
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Kristian Dyer @KristianRDyer 25s26 seconds ago
Mariota today: “I’d love to play for the #Jets & I think meeting with their offensive coordinator and the quarterbacks coach was awesome."
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The guy is Tebow with more talent. He is only going to say nice things about everyone.
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The guy is Tebow with more talent. He is only going to say nice things about everyone.
Did the Vatican buy Mariota jersies to be closer to god? No, your comparison is an abomination and you sir should repent or you're going straight to hell. Out of everyone here, I never figured you to be the most likely to come back as the antichrist.
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The guy is Tebow with more talent. He is only going to say nice things about everyone.
That's a terrible comparison
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We should not be surprised if we are meeting with all QB prospects given how shitty our QB situation is
Our situation isn't as shitty anymore. I'd say were slightly below league average in terms of talent right now.
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Our situation isn't as shitty anymore. I'd say were slightly below league average in terms of talent right now.
Which means we should still be meeting with all QBs and attending all potentially major pro days.
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I'm really exited to see what Gailey thinks the best fit is. When I look at Fitzy, I keep thinking Petty is a great fit. Same attitude, similar attributes.
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That's a terrible comparison
I meant personality wise. He is always going to say the right thing just like tebow did.
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According to Peter King, Winston does not plan on attending the draft.
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According to Peter King, Winston does not plan on attending the draft.
Probably wants to finish moving into his new house in Tampa
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According to Peter King, Winston does not plan on attending the draft.
freak Goodell right in the hoo-ha
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That's great. I'm liking Jameis more and more.
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Probably wants to finish moving into his new house in Tampa
Lol.
I imagine he'd rather chill with friends and family than go up to Chicago to get booed and heat people scream at him about off field stuff lol.
No thanks, I'll scratch my balls on the couch while you fax that 1st overall contract to my agent
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They probably told him not to attend so the microphones won't pick up 20,000 people screaming FHRITP
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Gil Brandt @Gil_Brandt
#Bills coach Rex Ryan was in Waco last week to work out Baylor QB Bryce Petty.
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Gil Brandt @Gil_Brandt
#Bills coach Rex Ryan was in Waco last week to work out Baylor QB Bryce Petty.
Needs to check out his footwork amirite
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Needs to check out his footwork amirite
#shoepost
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Last episode of Move the Sticks is all about Winston.
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Last episode of Move the Sticks is all about Winston.
Things of note:
Teams that have "done their homework" on Winston's legal troubles were "comfortable with their findings"
Everyone across the board (both sports: players, coaches, equipment managers) praised his leadership
Throwing motion has been tightened up, noticeable improvements from 2013 to 2014 to the combine. Should really improve with baseball out of the picture.
4.97 40 was seen as an improvement by his people
He did a breakdown of his 2014 INTs:
1 overthrow on a seam route (down from 2013)
1 miscommunication (new WR)
5 ricochets (up from 2013)
5 forced balls
6 poor vision underneath
Also mentioned there were a number of dropped INTs but did not say how many or break them down
Great pocket presence, "can play in a dirty pocket"
For player comp he said he's "close to" a Roethlisberger. Doesn't think he'll balloon like Russell.
Don't remember how publicized this was but apparently he once got in trouble for hanging out at a Burger King, not buying anything, and using the little paper ketchup cup to drink soda from the fountain
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Don't remember how publicized this was but apparently he once got in trouble for hanging out at a Burger King, not buying anything, and using the little paper ketchup cup to drink soda from the fountain
I remember this story, pretty sure it was the summer before his freshman year. I heard the tape of the phone call from the manager of the BK to police, it was freaking hilarious. she was such a whiny bitch.
"theres a group of them in here, they're drinking soda and won't leave!!!!"
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That's one of those "excrement teens do just because they can" things. Surprised that got any attention at all. More funny than anything.
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Yeah it wasn't played up as a serious matter at all. I think Jeremiah just thought it was funny.
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Yeah it wasn't played up as a serious matter at all. I think Jeremiah just thought it was funny.
Local radio shows lumped it in with his other stupid things as if it were proof of a violent history and disregard for authority.
Cause shooting a bb gun and having multiple thimbles of BK soda proves your a rapist with an incurable sociopathic disregard for authority
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Eh, having managed a fast food place for a short (not short enough) period of my life only scumbags mess with people working at fast food places. Of course, now that I haven't been the one having to deal with that for years I'm more inclined to chuckle.
Normal people without emotional or behavioral issues just don't mess with people who are already doing a shitty job, though.
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Jets scheduled a private visit/workout with Mariota for March 28th
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/cfb/40632/Mariota-to-work-out-for-the-Jets-on-March-28?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Jets scheduled a private visit/workout with Mariota for March 28th
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/cfb/40632/Mariota-to-work-out-for-the-Jets-on-March-28?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Da Jets iZ Draftin dat ugh...Mariota guy. Ya gotta read between da lines. Dey scheduled him Ta come in forah work out in Jerzee. Why would a New Yawk team do that? I'll tell ya why, because this Mariotta character iZ Italian and there's more Italians in Jerzee then in New Yawk. Use ya noogin. It's a done deal. When Marriotta sees da jerzee shofar it's gunna be a done deal.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000480260/article/titans-to-hold-workout-host-visit-from-jameis-winston
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Jets HC Todd Bowles confirmed his team has booked a private workout with FSU QB Jameis Winston.
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https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/586202830089818114
Also heard a lot of #NFL personnel love for Oregon State's Sean Mannion as the third best QB in this draft. That was slightly surprising.
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https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/586202830089818114
Makes sense, who needs movable feet, anyway?
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There is no 3rd-best QB in the draft is really the bottom line.
I would still prefer Hundley or Grayson.
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Citing a league source "familiar with the inner workings of the Buccaneers," Yahoo's Charles Robinson reports Bucs co-owner Darcie Glazer Kassewitz "has raised some internal questions" about the community relations impact of selecting Florida State QB Jameis Winston.
Bucs GM Jason Licht and coach Lovie Smith seem sold on Winston, but Robinson reports they "won't have the final say." Kassewitz is the daughter of late Bucs owner Malcolm Glazer. Robinson calls Kassewitz "one of the voices in the Bucs' front office whose opinion could influence the pick," and someone who will be examining Winston's off-field history, which is known to be a bit checkered. Bleacher Report's Jason Cole has since corroborated Robinson's story.
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Well as long as it's corroborated by bleacher report we know it's true.
In all seriousness if the Bucs pass on Winston, somebody is going up to two for Winston.
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Well as long as it's corroborated by bleacher report we know it's true.
In all seriousness if the Bucs pass on Winston, somebody is going up to two for Winston.
I think they could get a bite in a trade down. But I'd they're not taking Winston, they're taking Williams Would be my guess
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IDK guys, I heard he is fat.
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IDK guys, I heard he is fat.
hahaha.
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ESPN New York's Rich Cimini reports Jets GM Mike Maccagnan "hasn't ruled out" the possibility of trading up from No. 6 overall in the upcoming draft.
The target would likely be Florida State QB Jameis Winston, who is "highly regarded" in the Jets' organization. Winston is expected to visit the Jets' facility in the coming days. Moving up from No. 6 to No. 1 or 2 to nab Winston would require a massive haul, but Maccagnan has proven aggressive early on.
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not happening
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not happening
I still mandate if the Bucs are desperate to get off the one line because they don't believe winston can stay out of trouble, they could take a sweetheart deal (2 1s and a 2) to drop down to 6. But if they don't believe he can stay out of trouble, I'd seriously question why we think he can, in perhaps the easiest city in the country to get into trouble in.
But at least we are working him out.
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The Bucs are taking Winston
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I still mandate if the Bucs are desperate to get off the one line because they don't believe winston can stay out of trouble, they could take a sweetheart deal (2 1s and a 2) to drop down to 6. But if they don't believe he can stay out of trouble, I'd seriously question why we think he can, in perhaps the easiest city in the country to get into trouble in.
But at least we are working him out.
Why can't you just mandate that they trade with us for a low price? I mean, while you're making mandates.
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I just saw something on Twitter that said the Titans see Mettenberger as a poor man's Tom Brady
sit down, Whisenhunt
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I still mandate if the Bucs are desperate to get off the one line because they don't believe winston can stay out of trouble, they could take a sweetheart deal (2 1s and a 2) to drop down to 6. But if they don't believe he can stay out of trouble, I'd seriously question why we think he can, in perhaps the easiest city in the country to get into trouble in.
But at least we are working him out.
If Tampa I'd trading down it would be for 3 1sts minimum.
The thought of them taking a sweetheart deal would be absurd. Some team will roll the dice on the potentially best QB in the draft
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If Tampa I'd trading down it would be for 3 1sts minimum.
The thought of them taking a sweetheart deal would be absurd. Some team will roll the dice on the potentially best QB in the draft
Except if they don't, and you really want off the one line, you take what's available.
That said I'm sure Heismans right they either get a major offer, or just take Winston.
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I still mandate if the Bucs are desperate to get off the one line because they don't believe winston can stay out of trouble, they could take a sweetheart deal (2 1s and a 2) to drop down to 6. But if they don't believe he can stay out of trouble, I'd seriously question why we think he can, in perhaps the easiest city in the country to get into trouble in.
But at least we are working him out.
You ever been to Tampa? Real easy to get into trouble there.
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You ever been to Tampa? Real easy to get into trouble there.
it can't possibly be easier than NYC, at least to get caught and strung up by the media anyways...
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it can't possibly be easier than NYC, at least to get caught and strung up by the media anyways...
The media will crush straight lace types who make one mistake way more than other guys. No victory in taking down someone with flaws.
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The media will crush straight lace types who make one mistake way more than other guys. No victory in taking down someone with flaws.
Johnny Manziel is getting killed right now.
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Johnny Manziel is getting killed right now.
Manziel killed himself first.
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Manziel killed himself first.
His point is if Winston fucks up, the media will destroy him, No matter what it is. And that will be the general mentality of people
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You ever been to Tampa? Real easy to get into trouble there.
Two Words...""Clearwater Beach", been there done that.
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His point is if Winston fucks up, the media will destroy him, No matter what it is. And that will be the general mentality of people
I really don't agree with that. A misstep from Jameis and its not going to be a shock or a stunning bit of news, thus it's not something people will make a huge deal over. Jameis videoed drunk outside a bar in NYC gets about 1/50th of the attention Sanchez got when he did far more tame things or than Mariota would get.
The media has had every opportunity to destroy him, and they haven't. There's no rep to destroy.
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Manziel killed himself first.
And Jameis Winston hasn't? It's not like his reputation for making moronic decisions off the field was made up. Without the character red flags, there would be no question who the #1 pick should be.
Winton will be under a microscope no matter where he ends up.
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And Jameis Winston hasn't? It's not like his reputation for making moronic decisions off the field was made up. Without the character red flags, there would be no question who the #1 pick should be.
Winton will be under a microscope no matter where he ends up.
Jameis's stuff is decidedly immature, but nothing like the disregard for his career that Manziel has shown. Johnny Football has displayed a stronger desire to party than play the game.
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Jameis's stuff is decidedly immature, but nothing like the disregard for his career that Manziel has shown. Johnny Football has displayed a stronger desire to party than play the game.
Rape is immature
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Winston > Manziel
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You ever been to Tampa? Real easy to get into trouble there.
The fact I have a clean record is amazing. Most ppl I grew up with? Not so much
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Winston > Manziel
no excrement
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The Bucs are taking Winston
ESPN's Ron Jaworski cites sources saying Oregon QB Marcus Mariota will be the No. 1 pick by the Bucs.
"...You're starting to see, in my opinion, Winston's stock starting to slide a little bit and Mariota's stock starting to go up a little bit," Jaworski said, noting it might be due to coaches joining the draft process. Jaws went on to discuss how much Chip Kelly loves Mariota, saying the quarterback will win multiple super bowls in the NFL no matter where he lands. We have remained steadfast in saying Mariota absolutely has a shot at being the No. 1 pick, especially with the Glazer family having final say.
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not saying I agree, but the rumors have been gaining steam the past couple weeks.
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not saying I agree, but the rumors have been gaining steam the past couple weeks.
That's what always happens around this time though
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#smokescreens
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So they go from almost having a contract locked up a side deal done to now they're picking MM. lol ok.
I have to like Woody though, he doesn't dictate draft picks like some of the other owners. Lol at the Glazer family wanting a certain guy. That's just ridiculous, it's like that jerk off in Dallas.
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I have to like Woody though, he doesn't dictate draft picks like some of the other owners. Lol at the Glazer family wanting a certain guy. That's just ridiculous, it's like that jerk off in Dallas.
I still think he'll be the pick at #1, but it's not surprising to see a woman like Darcy Glazer against selecting an accused rapist.
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I still think he'll be the pick at #1, but it's not surprising to see a woman like Darcy Glazer against selecting an accused rapist.
Now it's accused? Because you just said he was a rapist.
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Now it's accused? Because you just said he was a rapist.
After seeing and reading interviews of his accuser, I have very little doubt that he did it and that it was covered up.
But please continue to excrement on the kid that is trying to get help for his addictions, while defending another piece of excrement like Jameis Winston. Saying that Winston won't be scrutinized by the media if he makes another mistake is absurd. Manziel is a complete idiot and he's wasting his potential, but Winston is far more of a concern.
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Eh we've all been drunk and asked a hoodrat if she can do a split on a dick
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After seeing and reading interviews of his accuser, I have very little doubt that he did it and that it was covered up.
But please continue to excrement on the kid that is trying to get help for his addictions, while defending another piece of excrement like Jameis Winston. Saying that Winston won't be scrutinized by the media if he makes another mistake is absurd. Manziel is a complete idiot and he's wasting his potential, but Winston is far more of a concern.
Detective Electric to the rescue. Oh man, I sure hope Winston doesn't show out curse words again.
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After seeing and reading interviews of his accuser, I have very little doubt that he did it and that it was covered up.
But please continue to excrement on the kid that is trying to get help for his addictions, while defending another piece of excrement like Jameis Winston. Saying that Winston won't be scrutinized by the media if he makes another mistake is absurd. Manziel is a complete idiot and he's wasting his potential, but Winston is far more of a concern.
White kid with a proven, documented track record is to be commended for allegedly trying to get help. Black kid who has had allegations dropped is a clear rapist and not to be trusted. Got it.
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Detective Electric to the rescue. Oh man, I sure hope Winston doesn't show out curse words again.
I thought that was funny. The shoplifting stuff wasn't even that big of a deal.
What he did to that girl is where I take issue with him. It was clearly covered up. She and her father were threatened by the Tallahassee police. I defending him in the past over the accusations, but now I think he's guilty. Until that girl comes forward and says she made it up, I will always think that he did it.
Even if he was the next great QB prospect like Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning (he's not), I wouldn't want him on the New York Jets because freak that kid.
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Being black doesn't make him a thug or Geno Smith.
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Has Johnny Manziel ever been arrested?
Being black doesn't make him a thug or Geno Smith.
#BlackQBsMatter
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Has Johnny Manziel ever been arrested?
Easier to escape even the initial arrest if you're white. Seeing him, I feel certain that he has raped someone in his life.
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Easier to escape even the initial arrest if you're white. Seeing him, I feel certain that he has raped someone in his life.
He was arrested in 2012 for being drunk with a fake ID.
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He was arrested in 2012 for being drunk with a fake ID.
Well then why did you ask if you already knew?
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Well then why did you ask if you already knew?
I didn't know. I just looked it up.
If Manziel were black, he wouldn't have a Heisman trophy.
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not sure where to post this...
titans think mettenberger can be Brady
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000484948/article/report-titans-view-mettenberger-as-poor-mans-brady
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not sure where to post this...
titans think mettenberger can be Brady
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000484948/article/report-titans-view-mettenberger-as-poor-mans-brady
This is why the Titans suck
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I didn't know. I just looked it up.
If Manziel were black, he wouldn't have a Heisman trophy.
Winston got one, but he seemed whiter at the time.
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After seeing and reading interviews of his accuser, I have very little doubt that he did it and that it was covered up.
no doubt that there was a cover up in play, but I'm not sure why you're so quick to accuse Jameis of rape and the girl of being truthful. here are the facts i happen to remember from the case:
1) She had a boyfriend
2) she gave Jameis her phone #
3) she took a shot with Jameis
4) she willingly took a cab back to his apartment
5) she performed oral sex on Jameis
6) she got a ride back to her dorm from Jameis after sex (on his scooter lolz)
7) she claimed to have hazy memory or have blacked out that night but had a BAC below the legal limit
8 A second semen sample separate from Jameis's was found on her shorts
Sorry, I don't really see how that sequence played out with her getting raped. She probably shouldn't have danced with, drank, gave her contact info, and taken a cab back with him to his apartment at 2am if she didn't want to hook up. What other intentions could she have possibly had?
Jameis had a girlfriend at the time. he was also probably getting his dick sucked by every floozie on the FSU campus. Doesn't make a ton of sense that he would rape someone when he can easily get sex from someone that actually wants it elsewhere.
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Because she's a strong and independent woman who doesn't need a reason to drink with someone and go to their apartment at 2am.
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James Winston........ Oral warrior.
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James Winston........ Oral warrior.
Hey Fucknut, wouldn't the broad be the oral warrior? Unless of course you're inviting him over for a pre-draft party.
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White kid with a proven, documented track record is to be commended for allegedly trying to get help. Black kid who has had allegations dropped is a clear rapist and not to be trusted. Got it.
Lol
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no doubt that there was a cover up in play, but I'm not sure why you're so quick to accuse Jameis of rape and the girl of being truthful. here are the facts i happen to remember from the case:
1) She had a boyfriend
2) she gave Jameis her phone #
3) she took a shot with Jameis
4) she willingly took a cab back to his apartment
5) she performed oral sex on Jameis
6) she got a ride back to her dorm from Jameis after sex (on his scooter lolz)
7) she claimed to have hazy memory or have blacked out that night but had a BAC below the legal limit
8 A second semen sample separate from Jameis's was found on her shorts
Sorry, I don't really see how that sequence played out with her getting raped. She probably shouldn't have danced with, drank, gave her contact info, and taken a cab back with him to his apartment at 2am if she didn't want to hook up. What other intentions could she have possibly had?
Jameis had a girlfriend at the time. he was also probably getting his dick sucked by every floozie on the FSU campus. Doesn't make a ton of sense that he would rape someone when he can easily get sex from someone that actually wants it elsewhere.
I mean, to be fair, you could say the same about any NFL player, yet look at Darren Sharper.
I don't really agree with Heismanberg but these things can be a power play
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no doubt that there was a cover up in play, but I'm not sure why you're so quick to accuse Jameis of rape and the girl of being truthful. here are the facts i happen to remember from the case:
1) She had a boyfriend
2) she gave Jameis her phone #
3) she took a shot with Jameis
4) she willingly took a cab back to his apartment
5) she performed oral sex on Jameis
6) she got a ride back to her dorm from Jameis after sex (on his scooter lolz)
7) she claimed to have hazy memory or have blacked out that night but had a BAC below the legal limit
8 A second semen sample separate from Jameis's was found on her shorts
Sorry, I don't really see how that sequence played out with her getting raped. She probably shouldn't have danced with, drank, gave her contact info, and taken a cab back with him to his apartment at 2am if she didn't want to hook up. What other intentions could she have possibly had?
Jameis had a girlfriend at the time. he was also probably getting his dick sucked by every floozie on the FSU campus. Doesn't make a ton of sense that he would rape someone when he can easily get sex from someone that actually wants it elsewhere.
I defended him and assumed she was bullshitting back in 2013 and for all of this past season.
Hearing the accuser actually speak for herself and listening to her father changed my mind. She claims she didn't get into the cab willingly (she doesn't remember how she got there) and that someone came into an unlocked bedroom and told Winston to stop...so he picked her up and raped her on the floor of a locked bathroom.
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Doesn't make a ton of sense that he would rape someone when he can easily get sex from someone that actually wants it elsewhere.
Ben Roethlisberger
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Winston is the best quarterback in the draft. It's not like I can't see that. I just don't want him on the Jets because it would be hard for me to root for him.
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Jameis scored a 27, and mariota scored a 33 on the wonderlic
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Peyton manning, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson scored a 28. Max is 50 pts.
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Not bad for a black guy
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Blaine Gabbert: 42
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Johnny Manziel: 32
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Not bad for a black guy
It was his white half.
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It was his white half.
wat
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wat
Isn't Wilson half and half?
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Isn't Wilson half and half?
pretty sure Pope was talking about Winston
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pretty sure Pope was talking about Winston
Ah, makes sense.
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hahahaha
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDNfEh4WEAArYFL.png)
I'm dying .
These things never get old
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The Subway Curse
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Not bad for a black guy
and you assholes wonder why we don't have more posters
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That's not why