Post by: Heismanberg on August 14, 2014, 06:32:19 AM
This development is crazy
Post by: Tommy on August 14, 2014, 06:49:40 AM
Post by: Coach K on August 14, 2014, 07:01:15 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 14, 2014, 07:17:33 AM
Multiple witnesses are saying that Mike Brown had his hands up after being shot once and the cop walked forward and unloaded on him.
Post by: Johnny English on August 14, 2014, 09:11:57 AM
Post by: Pope on August 14, 2014, 09:30:53 AM
Cool. Love a little domestic unrest.Race war!
/cartman
Post by: dcm1602 on August 14, 2014, 10:21:21 AM
But I thought this kid was like assaulting a police officer and tried shoving the officer into his car and excrement?
Post by: Badger on August 14, 2014, 10:23:33 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 14, 2014, 10:35:03 AM
So I think those things would be extremely easy for an investigation to confirm or deny.
As well as people saying the officer shot him 10 times vs the police saying it was 3
All easy things to confirm or deny
Worthless for people to speculate and assume otherwise.
Post by: Badger on August 14, 2014, 10:36:35 AM
Not that it will matter for most people, they've already made up their minds and most will "coincidentally" fall exactly where they did on a previous high profile shooting case.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 14, 2014, 10:37:42 AM
I don't see why they won't just get rid of the cop that did this.
Multiple witnesses are saying that Mike Brown had his hands up after being shot once and the cop walked forward and unloaded on him.
Unions. Blue protects blue, and there's no way the police union won't fight any and every attempt to dump an officer. It's the same exact thing with teachers. Teachers are removed from the classroom and still paid if they molest a child and it can't be proven. It's ridiculous the level of protection they are granted in the name of not allowing the powers that be to run roughshod over them.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 14, 2014, 10:38:21 AM
Post by: Badger on August 14, 2014, 10:40:22 AM
BTW, Anonymous has named the cop. I'm obviously not going to do so in this thread, but it's out there now.
Looking at that now. I guess we'll find out if it's that's the guy or not. Right now the police are denying it's him.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 14, 2014, 11:52:42 AM
Post by: Badger on August 14, 2014, 11:55:42 AM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting-former-nba-star-gilbert-arenas-calls-al-sharpton-attention-whore-1461156
I got into a debate about Sharpton last week. They kept telling me he "raises awareness". I think mass media and social media are doing a fine job of that on their own.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 14, 2014, 11:59:00 AM
I got into a debate about Sharpton last week. They kept telling me he "raises awareness". I think mass media and social media are doing a fine job of that on their own.
The Ice Bucket Challenge raises more awareness than Al Sharpton
Post by: dcm1602 on August 14, 2014, 12:00:20 PM
I got into a debate about Sharpton last week. They kept telling me he "raises awareness". I think mass media and social media are doing a fine job of that on their own.Anyone who thinks sharpton is a positive force is either a freaking retard or a racist
Post by: Miamipuck on August 14, 2014, 12:20:57 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 14, 2014, 01:03:34 PM
Then again, they arrested a city councilperson yesterday too. What the hell, arrest everyone!
My favorite part of the story so far is the cop with the bullhorn telling people that their right to assemble wasn't being violated...from the top of a mine-resistant tank.
A mine-resistant tank.
On an American street.
Post by: Badger on August 14, 2014, 02:57:22 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/tips-for-being-an-unarmed-black-teen,36697/
Post by: guinness77 on August 14, 2014, 04:37:37 PM
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are self promoting racist scumbags.Tawana Brawley and Hymietown?
You don't say?
Post by: ons on August 14, 2014, 06:50:50 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 10:48:09 AM
Also, Anonymous outed the wrong officer.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 10:53:30 AM
There is video surveillance of Mike Brown robbing a gas station. It was a strong-armed robbery, so still no weapon...but if it turns out to be Brown, then this was not an innocent teen.
Also, Anonymous outed the wrong officer.
so he should be shot with his hands up for stealing a pack of Swisher Sweets?
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 10:59:23 AM
you apprehend criminals, not finish the job by snuffing them in broad daylight while they surrender after being shot.
and even if this isnt the case people thought itd be, you can spend a whole day online watching footage of cops abusing their power, the time for an actual dialogue is now.
the shortest point i can make is you cant absolve the white power structure this country operates on, and you cant absolve the black communities responsibility to its youth to make the extra effort to overcome the previous point.
otherwise this excrement just continues, and the biggest and most important point is, there needs to be a serious overhaul of law enforcement. a small suburb in Missouri turned into what is a shade below martial law.
these are just emotions, ive drained myself in discussions since this happened so maybe i can make a more precise post later.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 11:04:44 AM
so he should be shot with his hands up for stealing a pack of Swisher Sweets?Criminals usually commit crimes
I doubt this criminal was going door to door preaching the gospel when he got shot
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 11:05:50 AM
so he should be shot with his hands up for stealing a pack of Swisher Sweets?
I didn't say that. He was a suspect in a crime, and potentially not some innocent kid walking down the street minding his own business.
The police officer did not handle this the right way at all, but if Brown punched him in the face during a possible arrest, he had every right to pull his firearm.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 11:06:46 AM
Criminals usually commit crimes
I doubt this criminal was going door to door preaching the gospel when he got shot
your a moron. im not even going to elaborate on your complete absence of logic
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 11:08:14 AM
i also find it funny it took them that long to release simple info such as that the officer was responding to a robbery report. "fits the description" still bullshit either way you cut it.
No, it's not. There's video surveillance of someone that fits his description intimidating a gas station clerk to steal cigars.
If it's not Brown on that surveillance footage, then all hell should break loose. But if it is, the whole "innocent, future college student" bullshit needs to stop too.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 11:09:33 AM
your a moron. im not even going to elaborate on your complete absence of logicCriminals committing crimes is illogical?
There were reports that he was assaulting a police officer (who was at a hospital with a swollen face after the incident)
Now the details are yet to come out, and it's certainly possible he shouldn't have been shot.
But it sound extremely probable that this wasn't a good person
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 11:11:09 AM
the shortest point i can make is you cant absolve the white power structure this country operates on, and you cant absolve the black communities responsibility to its youth to make the extra effort to overcome the previous point.
If the kid was white and got shot, what would that black community of Ferguson be doing right now?
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 11:11:22 AM
I didn't say that. He was a suspect in a crime, not some innocent kid walking down the street minding his own business.
The police officer did not handle this the right way at all, but if Brown punched him in the face during a possible arrest, he had every right to pull his firearm.
so why even give out tazers?
i still disagree with that logic. how much of a hoo-ha are you to where you have a perfectly capable tool of subduing someone in a non lethal way and your first resort is insta death?
and even if he pulled his firearm, what seems indisputable at this point is that a struggle occurred, Brown was hit by a bullet, and attempted to surrender. you apprehend, now if brown had drawn a weapon , fine.
im not going to turn this into Zimmerman and go out of my way to debate self moral semantics on this isolated incident. the problem inherently lies in the system. ill just copy/paste some excrement from facebook cause im too gone right now to start typing dissertations.
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 11:12:10 AM
The police have reacted to this situation in exactly the worst possible way, barring them shooting and killing another unarmed civilian. It's pretty easy to not look like violent crazy assholes, and to make looters look terrible. But instead they show up in ridiculous outfits, poiting weapons at civilians with their fingers on their triggers, shoot rubber bullets at female pastors praying for peace, arrest journalists and fire tear gas at journalists. Their credibility is completely destroyed - regardless of the details of the case, they've fucked things up for themselves and painted huge targets on their backs.
This bears repeating.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 11:13:32 AM
The cop didn't handle this well and will likely lose his job, but if he was punched in the face and felt threatened, then it's OK for him to shoot to protect himself. Multiple shots fired from a distance is the issue here.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 11:18:05 AM
so why even give out tazers?
i still disagree with that logic. how much of a hoo-ha are you to where you have a perfectly capable tool of subduing someone in a non lethal way and your first resort is insta death?
and even if he pulled his firearm, what seems indisputable at this point is that a struggle occurred, Brown was hit by a bullet, and attempted to surrender. you apprehend, now if brown had drawn a weapon , fine.
Did the officer have a taser or spray? We don't know.
What happened when Brown was reaching inside of the police car and struggling with the officer? Was he going for his gun or did he just punch him in the face to get away?
We do not know yet.
Like I just said, the multiple shots fired from a distance that ended Brown's life are the main issue to me right now.
We don't even know if the kid had his hands up - a woman in an upstairs window and another woman fumbling with her phone are the people saying that. He could have been digging around in his pockets trying to find the cigars.
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im not going to turn this into Zimmerman and go out of my way to debate self moral semantics on this isolated incident. the problem inherently lies in the system. ill just copy/paste some excrement from facebook cause im too gone right now to start typing dissertations.
I don't want to get into Zimmerman either, because I'll pee some people off by siding with Zimmerman.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 11:18:08 AM
If the kid was white and got shot, what would that black community of Ferguson be doing right now?
so your answer is to match supposed apathy with more apathy , when the white community is on the winning side of history already? seems pretty naive to me. im pretty sure white america isnt in as dire need of unity or help.
white people are far more taken care of and if we cant agree there, then there will be no productive dialogue to be had. their SHOULD be to take care of themselves first and actually unify as opposed to continuing to rely on a broken system.
should they sit by idly?
im not absolving anyone of anything because personal responsibility and a cut and dry sense of right and wrong has to play in somewhere. but the fact how out of touch this forum is on racial issues is amusing to me, even moreso cause for years the recycled "Jesse and Al Sharpton" jokes fly around when i can assure their names NEVER come up in a positive light in social circles of most educated black people. most see them for the Charlatans they are and the cry is for real leadership.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 11:21:54 AM
Criminals committing crimes is illogical?
There were reports that he was assaulting a police officer (who was at a hospital with a swollen face after the incident)
Now the details are yet to come out, and it's certainly possible he shouldn't have been shot.
But it sound extremely probable that this wasn't a good person
i could shoot you and release personal stories and details and people would say the same thing. its pretty damn ignorant of you to make such a broad statement about someones shortly lived life over an alleged pack of stolen cigars and a altercation you admittedly dont know the details to.
even if he did take the cigars, like i said, he deserves to die?
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 11:24:04 AM
so your answer is to match supposed apathy with more apathy , when the white community is on the winning side of history already? seems pretty naive to me.
All I'm saying is that if a white teenager stole some Black and Milds from a store and ended up getting killed by a police officer, there would no looting or riots or anything like in Ferguson. There'd be a candlelight vigil somewhere and 95% of those people would move on.
Why in the hell are people looting because a kid got shot? Let's commit more crime and make our community look bad because jumping to conclusions makes a hell of a lot more sense than consoling the kid's family and waiting to hear what actually happened.
The entire situation is fucked up. The police force and a chunk of the community are both wrong. It's lose/lose.
Innocent people got injured and detained and gassed because a bunch of assholes decided it would be OK to test the law by committing more crime. Ferguson's small time police department didn't handle it well at all - they probably weren't equipped to handle that kind of chaos.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 11:24:47 AM
i could shoot you and release personal stories and details and people would say the same thing.
But he didn't do anything wrong, so you'd just be murdering someone.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 11:25:46 AM
i could shoot you and release personal stories and details and people would say the same thing. its pretty damn ignorant of you to make such a broad statement about someones shortly lived life over an alleged pack of stolen cigars and a altercation you admittedly dont know the details to.
even if he did take the cigars, like i said, he deserves to die?
I never said the guy deserved to die
I also said we need to see the evidence
What I did say is that it seems highly probable that this guy is a criminal, and likely wasn't walking down the street whistling and singing songs all innocent like some are making it out
Had this guy made better decisions in life none of us would be having this conversation right now
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 11:26:35 AM
But he didn't do anything wrong, so you'd just be murdering someone.Well one could argue my grammar and spelling is a crime, but other than that...
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 11:30:59 AM
I never said the guy deserved to die
I also said we need to see the evidence
What I did say is that it seems highly probable that this guy is a criminal, and likely wasn't walking down the street whistling and singing songs all innocent like some are making it out
Had this guy made better decisions in life none of us would be having this conversation right now
That isn't the debate. The debate is about whether it's OK for a cop to unload on someone who has their hands up in surrender.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 11:36:05 AM
That isn't the debate. The debate is about whether it's OK for a cop to unload on someone who has their hands up in surrender.Except there isn't details on how the shooting occurred (ie there was a struggle, angry racist cop etc)
What is out is some data (cops face swollen, guy was possibly robbing stores)
So whether he deserved to be shot is undetermined, but him not being an innocent victim seems relatively apparent
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 11:41:13 AM
Except there isn't details on how the shooting occurred (ie there was a struggle, angry racist cop etc)
What is out is some data (cops face swollen, guy was possibly robbing stores)
So whether he deserved to be shot is undetermined, but him not being an innocent victim seems relatively apparent
Multiple witnesses say there was a shot inside the police cruiser, then Brown ran about 20 feet away from the car, and the cop shot and hit him. Then he turned and put his hands in the air...that's when he fired three to five more shots and killed him.
The cop is not right here.
Post by: Tommy on August 15, 2014, 11:42:02 AM
Btw the sensationalism surrounding this story is ridiculous. Some bundle of sticks interviewed said that it's against the law to be black in America. Ugh.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 11:42:49 AM
Multiple witnesses say there was a shot inside the police cruiser, then Brown ran about 20 feet away from the car, and the cop shot and hit him. Then he turned and put his hands in the air...that's when he fired three to five more shots and killed him.I never said the cop was right, just that this guy almost certainly isn't an innocent victim.
The cop is not right here.
Do I think he deserved to die, very likely not. But I'm certainly not going to give a excrement either
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 11:43:56 AM
From overseas it looks like the US is in anarchy. The foreign media is eating this up.
Btw the sensationalism surrounding this story is ridiculous. Some bundle of sticks interviewed said that it's against the law to be black in America. Ugh.
During the Zimmerman trial, they interviewed some woman on the street in NY nearly in tears, crying about the epidemic of black boys being shot by white men.
wat
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 11:45:42 AM
I never said the cop was right, just that this guy almost certainly isn't an innocent victim.
Do I think he deserved to die, very likely not. But I'm certainly not going to give a excrement either
The fact that you need to keep harping on this just makes it seem like you want justify the action.
I'm not holding any candlelight vigils for Brown. I just want the cop to face the consequences of his actions.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 11:45:48 AM
But I'm certainly not going to give a excrement either
Should the United States execute every person that's ever been charged with shoplifting? Now I know this is a little more than shoplifting, but it was still an unarmed crime.
Getting in trouble for this may have pushed his life down another path. We'll never know.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 11:47:33 AM
During the Zimmerman trial, they interviewed some woman on the street in NY nearly in tears, crying about the epidemic of black boys being shot by white men.
wat
the white men caught the disease from the black boys shooting other black boys
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 11:49:14 AM
Should the United States execute every person that's ever been charged with shoplifting? Now I know this is a little more than shoplifting, but it was still an unarmed crime.No, but people shouldn't be rioting over a person who commits crimes and was shot DURING the process of assaulting a police officer.
Getting in trouble for this may have pushed his life down another path. We'll never know.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 11:51:46 AM
No, but people shouldn't be rioting over a person who commits crimes and was shot DURING the process of assaulting a police officer.
He was shot standing 20 feet away from the police officer.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 11:57:45 AM
He was shot standing 20 feet away from the police officer.Was the first shot not fired from within the police vehicle?
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 12:00:06 PM
Was the first shot not fired from within the police vehicle?
which would further show that he shot the kid, the kid ran out of fear, got hit again, and then surrendered, unarmed, after no longer posing any threat. and was met with more bullets.
*sigh* im done
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 12:02:25 PM
which would further show that he shot the kid, the kid ran out of fear, got hit again, and then surrendered, unarmed, after no longer posing any threat. and was met with more bullets.
*sigh* im done
How do we know that Brown didn't fire the cop's gun?
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 12:02:50 PM
Was the first shot not fired from within the police vehicle?
Yes, but five more shots were fired when the kid's hands were supposedly up.
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 12:10:22 PM
Basically, you can only kill other people who look like you. No one cares about black on black or Arab on Arab violence, but the second an Israeli soldier or white guy gets involved all hell breaks loose.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 15, 2014, 12:11:57 PM
The big reason this story broke nationally isn't because an innocent unarmed man was shot. It broke because in the wake of protests in response to that incident, the police force used excessive measures against clearly innocent people and even went so far as to ignore the Constitution of the United States regarding freedom of the press.
I argue all the time that freedom of the press is abused by entities like sports media and TMZ. In this case, this was a true violation of reporters' right to report on the news.
As for the idea of riots and looting, so far, that's been disputed by the people of the area. Given that last night, in the wake of the highway patrol taking over the oversight of the situation from the St Louis police force, there wasn't a single arrest I find it hard to blindly accept the word of the police regarding violence.
There are multiple eyewitnesses to the original incident who have yet to have been spoken to by investigators. Whether Brown is guilty of a previous crime or not, he was killed in front of witnesses. We're not talking about poor police work here, we're talking about willful ignorance of evidence.
This is on top of the fact that anyone with any sanity should be able to admit that the use of a substance which is internationally banned from war, yet not against domestic targets (tear gas) is absolutely over the top here. Not that rubber bullets spraying innocent people isn't as well.
But the cherry on top is the fact that a local police force in the United States of America not only has access to, but actively used, a tank built specifically to withstand the effects of landmines. On an American street.
What exactly does a local police department need better tactical gear than our troops on the ground in Afghanistan for?
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 12:36:55 PM
Yes, but five more shots were fired when the kid's hands were supposedly up.
that would be my response when you ask me if Brown reached for the cops gun.
there will be no proof of that other than the cop saying that. so i take that with a grain of salt.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 12:39:01 PM
There are a few things completely wrong with this thread.
The big reason this story broke nationally isn't because an innocent unarmed man was shot. It broke because in the wake of protests in response to that incident, the police force used excessive measures against clearly innocent people and even went so far as to ignore the Constitution of the United States regarding freedom of the press.
I argue all the time that freedom of the press is abused by entities like sports media and TMZ. In this case, this was a true violation of reporters' right to report on the news.
As for the idea of riots and looting, so far, that's been disputed by the people of the area. Given that last night, in the wake of the highway patrol taking over the oversight of the situation from the St Louis police force, there wasn't a single arrest I find it hard to blindly accept the word of the police regarding violence.
There are multiple eyewitnesses to the original incident who have yet to have been spoken to by investigators. Whether Brown is guilty of a previous crime or not, he was killed in front of witnesses. We're not talking about poor police work here, we're talking about willful ignorance of evidence.
This is on top of the fact that anyone with any sanity should be able to admit that the use of a substance which is internationally banned from war, yet not against domestic targets (tear gas) is absolutely over the top here. Not that rubber bullets spraying innocent people isn't as well.
But the cherry on top is the fact that a local police force in the United States of America not only has access to, but actively used, a tank built specifically to withstand the effects of landmines. On an American street.
What exactly does a local police department need better tactical gear than our troops on the ground in Afghanistan for?
to quell any future rebellion. theyll match citizens assault rifles with tanks and drones.
but thats a different discussion entirely
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 12:39:56 PM
that would be my response when you ask me if Brown reached for the cops gun.
there will be no proof of that other than the cop saying that. so i take that with a grain of salt.
I'm pretty sure the alleged criminals fingerprints on the firearm would be proof.
As well as potentially a dash cam or audio or any of that excrement if present in the police vehicle (which I'd assume weren't otherwise they'd be in the media)
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 12:44:37 PM
I'm pretty sure the alleged criminals fingerprints on the firearm would be proof.
As well as potentially a dash cam or audio or any of that excrement if present in the police vehicle (which I'd assume weren't otherwise they'd be in the media)
and what if the story is true about the cop pulling the kid in the car and reaching for his gun, hence why brown would pull for it too?
it goes both ways, we just propose this kid doesnt have the right to fight for his life cause he doesnt have a badge?
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 12:47:26 PM
what about this?
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/601dc085db777d28b6f37a8a3b6b157c/tumblr_mzo6xpOWpd1qk91wgo1_1280.jpg)
wake the freak up.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 12:57:29 PM
and what if the story is true about the cop pulling the kid in the car and reaching for his gun, hence why brown would pull for it too?Then the cops a psycho and deserves to be in jail
it goes both ways, we just propose this kid doesnt have the right to fight for his life cause he doesnt have a badge?
Though I find it hard to imagine a cop randomly pulled a kid in his car just to shoot him
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:06:35 PM
Then the cops a psycho and deserves to be in jail
Though I find it hard to imagine a cop randomly pulled a kid in his car just to shoot him
ok so how many documented and undocumented cases of police abusing their authority both in non lethal and lethal ways have to occur before people realize there is something fundamentally wrong?
it didnt have to be random, there was probably a verbal altercation, the witness the cops have yet to talk to (Browns friend) was right there and said essentially the Cop told them to "get the freak out of the road" he also said they said something along the lines of they will be at their destination soon, the cop kept driving, then threw it in reverse and blocked their path, then the altercation started.
even if the kid is full of excrement lets say that the cop followed them and demanded they stop to be investigated for the prior robbery, it is possible they told him to go freak himself and he then tried to choke the kid from his car for essentially telling the cop to freak off.
even if that is the worst case scenario, nothing justfies the kid being outright executed in broad daylight.
me and you are going in circles though so im pretty sure we have nothing left to discuss, if your satisifed with the way law enforcement and the penal code is structured and handled , then it obviously works for you.
for a solid portion of the rest of civilians, they arent happy. you think the voice of discontent lies with a mob of black people mad that one kid got shot. thats the first problem.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:08:50 PM
i can go all day if you want
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 01:12:40 PM
I'm saying bad people getting shot while doing bad things doesn't trouble me (even if they didn't deserve to be shot)
I'm sure there's far better arguments that can be made against the police
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:13:47 PM
I never said law enforcement is good
I'm saying bad people getting shot while doing bad things doesn't trouble me (even if they didn't deserve to be shot)
I'm sure there's far better arguments that can be made against the police
i could make them but your failing to grasp simple addition and subtraction so why attempt to start taking it to an elevated level when you fail to comprehend the basics?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 01:15:55 PM
i could make them but your failing to grasp simple addition and subtraction so why attempt to start taking it to an elevated level when you fail to comprehend the basics?I'm saying I don't think criminals getting shot is an epidemic
If cops start beating the excrement out of innocent black kids because they're racist yeah that's a freaking problem
But shooting a excrement head in the act of a crime isn't something that I'm losing sleep over
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:17:32 PM
I'm saying I don't think criminals getting shot is an epidemic
If cops start beating the excrement out of innocent black kids because they're racist yeah that's a freaking problem
But shooting a excrement head in the act of a crime isn't something that I'm losing sleep over
not black kids, just homeless women
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhSFCeJjLI
Post by: Miamipuck on August 15, 2014, 01:17:57 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 01:18:17 PM
not black kids, just homeless womenPretty sure Michael brown wasn't a homeless woman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhSFCeJjLI
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
I'm saying I don't think criminals getting shot is an epidemic
If cops start beating the excrement out of innocent black kids because they're racist yeah that's a freaking problem
But shooting a excrement head in the act of a crime isn't something that I'm losing sleep over
now hes a shithead and youve already admitted you dont know what happened.
your officially a moron
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 01:19:18 PM
I never said law enforcement is good
I'm saying bad people getting shot while doing bad things doesn't trouble me (even if they didn't deserve to be shot)
I'm sure there's far better arguments that can be made against the police
Clearly other people having a problem with cops murdering people is something that troubles you. This thread would be half as long otherwise.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:20:14 PM
The vast majority of cops aren't going to shoot innocent people nor are they going to beat Kelly Thomas to smithereens. My Dad was a cop and most of his friends are cool as excrement. 1 will be at the tailgate. My Dad never even fired his revolver on the job.
im not saying its the widespread attitude and behavior of cops. what i am saying is i could spend all day showing you excrement that is INEXCUSABLE.
nobody is saying we should send a lynch mob after your dad and his friends, however, there is a HUGE problem with the laws, how their enforced, and how people are trained to respond.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:21:19 PM
Clearly other people having a problem with cops murdering people is something that troubles you. This thread would be half as long otherwise.
yeah im out for now, its like talking to a wall.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 15, 2014, 01:22:15 PM
now hes a shithead and youve already admitted you dont know what happened.
your officially a moron
ahem ahem ahem fix this, you retart. lol
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 15, 2014, 01:23:30 PM
im not going to turn this into Zimmerman and go out of my way to debate self moral semantics on this isolated incident.
I'm still trying to figure out what the freak this says. Sorry, Coach.
Post by: Johnny English on August 15, 2014, 01:23:51 PM
The vast majority of cops aren't going to shoot innocent people nor are they going to beat Kelly Thomas to smithereens. My Dad was a cop and most of his friends are cool as excrement. 1 will be at the tailgate. My Dad never even fired his revolver on the job.
Absolutely agree, but I think that dickheads with a badge, a chip on their shoulder and access to military grade hardware put all cops in danger, including the many very good ones. There appear to be way too many of these sorts of incidents.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 15, 2014, 01:24:09 PM
ahem ahem ahem fix this, you retart. lolI tart right the first time. Don't need to retart.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:29:18 PM
even if you shift the topic of discussion from the Mike Brown shooting to the abuse of power, hes in outer space.
im just going to back out of this for now before i go off. you all enjoy your day
Post by: Miamipuck on August 15, 2014, 01:29:23 PM
im not saying its the widespread attitude and behavior of cops. what i am saying is i could spend all day showing you excrement that is INEXCUSABLE.
nobody is saying we should send a lynch mob after your dad and his friends, however, there is a HUGE problem with the laws, how their enforced, and how people are trained to respond.
The problem with law enforcement is there's no respect for it and also the kind of person it attracts. Over the years there was an unwritten rule you don't freak with them and they for the most part won't freak with you. That's kind of lost its way.
Secondly, it does attract power mongers, jackasses that have no business having a badge much less a gun. There are a lot of douchebags that get through the screening process. There needs to be a better filtering process. You get the right people for the most part, there will be less incidents.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 15, 2014, 01:31:36 PM
But the cherry on top is the fact that a local police force in the United States of America not only has access to, but actively used, a tank built specifically to withstand the effects of landmines. On an American street.
What exactly does a local police department need better tactical gear than our troops on the ground in Afghanistan for?
Clearly the solution is to arm more Americans so they can take down the tanks in the hands of our government by using their awesome skills learned by shooting beer bottles on a fence and watching action movies.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:32:09 PM
"Nobody is saying all cops are bad. However, there is a difference between a peace keeper, and a law enforcement officer. First off, there's plenty of cases daily in which the law is poorly written or goes against common sense and better judgement. There are also times cops disregard the rules entirely.
The abuse isn't always physical.
I also understand that cops jobs are stressful cause it's your job to kill or be killed in certain situations. All the more reason go make the hiring policy far more stringent.
Our country sends soldiers out to watch their friends die and recycles them back into the civilian life hoping they bounce back into law enforcement.
That's just speculation on my part but I think it would be hard to argue there's not a corrolation between the two.
Furthermore the psychological evaluation and monitoring is a joke, which is why you see the mentality you do in cops.
Your job is to keep order, not be above other men's rights by proxy of a badge.
I know good cops, and I know bad cops. There's no excuse for bad cops. And relying on documented data to boil down persecution, death, intimidation, into some minimized number of impact is ignorant of how the world really works.
We need peace keepers and better laws. What's in place is not justice.
That doesn't make anyone wearing a badge bad. But the problem is bigger than cops and robbers and saying punish the few is not the correct answer cause they're rarely reprimanded or even documented"
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:33:20 PM
I also complain about people race baiting when the issue affects everyone. I don't preach hate.
But candle light vigils and prayers are lip service as the machine chugs along and built to execute what it's engineered for, corruption."
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:38:44 PM
"That's brutality 101. They surround someone to block view from cameras, jam a knee in their head or back and keep saying "stop resisting" But they followed right after that undercover cop swooped in with the headlock. Mob mentality. Let's be honest, people of color are behind the 8 ball on sight over half the time to begin with.I've seen enough as is. There's no shortage of videos of cops abusing power. Regardless of color. Unwarranted search n seizures, unnecessary use of force. Hell they beat homeless people and shoot dogs too.
How can justice exist when those meant to uphold it can't be better than our average citizen. This country has been groomed into the docile "well if your not doing anything wrong you don't have to worry" fallacy. Wrong, absolute power corrupts, absolutely. two professions in America are in dire need of an overhaul. Education and law enforcement. As of right now this country is built to keep the prison industrial complex well fed. Higher pay but more strict hiring policies, attract better employees. Give people an incentive to do their job right, make these jobs more attractive but also put more programs in order to monitor job performance.
Definitely need more psych evaluations for law enforcement. We send these people out overseas to die so some guy in a suit can make money back home. These troops come back mentally unhinged with trauma, and get offered jobs to enforce the law . How about we fix the minds first before the fist follows? If they're not a vet, chances are they were bullies who went nowhere in life, so they continue the cycle and collect a check for it. Good cops don't make the news for the most part, cause that's called doing your job.Then again another topic entirely is why the news is 75 percent negativity, 20 percent filler and 5 percent inspirational stories.
Most people are mentally worn down before they get out of bed and they don't even know it.
Ok......I'm done."
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:42:58 PM
overall point we need to raise the standards, and good cops need to be better rewarded
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 15, 2014, 01:43:17 PM
The vast majority of cops aren't going to shoot innocent people nor are they going to beat Kelly Thomas to smithereens. My Dad was a cop and most of his friends are cool as excrement. 1 will be at the tailgate. My Dad never even fired his revolver on the job.
Yep. It's a high profile job when they screw up because the stakes are so much higher and because they deal with life and death. So all it generally takes is one bad cop to convince people they're all terrible. Obviously, as with any job, there are shitty cops. I doubt you'll find a higher proportion of excrement bags in the police force than in many other fields, though.
It's also interesting to see the difference in treatment of the military, which most definitely has similar or higher numbers of scumbags. Good luck talking about shitty racist soldiers, though.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:44:45 PM
Yep. It's a high profile job when they screw up because the stakes are so much higher and because they deal with life and death. So all it generally takes is one bad cop to convince people they're all terrible. Obviously, as with any job, there are shitty cops. I doubt you'll find a higher proportion of excrement bags in the police force than in many other fields, though.
It's also interesting to see the difference in treatment of the military, which most definitely has similar or higher numbers of scumbags. Good luck talking about shitty racist soldiers, though.
you mean probably 33% of our military? lol
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 15, 2014, 01:44:52 PM
Clearly the solution is to arm more Americans so they can take down the tanks in the hands of our government by using their awesome skills learned by shooting beer bottles on a fence and watching action movies.
I know this is a joke, but it brings up another point. We hear groups clamor for their gun ownership rights as a fundamental part of the Constitution. Where are those people today clamoring against the suppression of the fundamental rights of our journalists to pursue the story?
I guess only the "right" to kill deer with an automatic assault rifle is worth fighting for.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 15, 2014, 01:45:28 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 15, 2014, 01:46:42 PM
I know this is a joke, but it brings up another point. We hear groups clamor for their gun ownership rights as a fundamental part of the Constitution. Where are those people today clamoring against the suppression of the fundamental rights of our journalists to pursue the story?
I guess only the "right" to kill deer with an automatic assault rifle is worth fighting for.
People generally tend to truly care only about issues that affect themselves. That's not the case for journalistic integrity and the right wing. Their news outlets are alive and well.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 01:47:59 PM
The problem with law enforcement is there's no respect for it and also the kind of person it attracts. Over the years there was an unwritten rule you don't freak with them and they for the most part won't freak with you. That's kind of lost its way.
Secondly, it does attract power mongers, jackasses that have no business having a badge much less a gun. There are a lot of douchebags that get through the screening process. There needs to be a better filtering process. You get the right people for the most part, there will be less incidents.
i made this point a few posts later .
no argument there
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 15, 2014, 01:53:57 PM
People generally tend to truly care only about issues that affect themselves. That's not the case for journalistic integrity and the right wing. Their news outlets are alive and well.
That's because it's "fair and balanced." They even say so!
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 15, 2014, 01:59:07 PM
i made this point a few posts later .
no argument there
Except you're basically stating that unrest and raging against cops is a good thing, so you don't agree. You also maligned the entirety of the police force, so you're pretty much on entirely different opinions.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 15, 2014, 02:00:16 PM
Yep. It's a high profile job when they screw up because the stakes are so much higher and because they deal with life and death. So all it generally takes is one bad cop to convince people they're all terrible. Obviously, as with any job, there are shitty cops. I doubt you'll find a higher proportion of excrement bags in the police force than in many other fields, though.
It's also interesting to see the difference in treatment of the military, which most definitely has similar or higher numbers of scumbags. Good luck talking about shitty racist soldiers, though.
I can't argue with you on any particular as I pretty much agree with all of them.
By pretty much I mean totally.
The problem with the bad cops are the problem with the general public at large. You just have some people with a propensity to go looking for and find trouble. The worst cops are the ones that go looking for trouble and manufacture bullshit.
For instance, I have been around cops my entire life: This is a relatively innocuous story but points to how something can escalate or the wrong people meeting at the wrong time.
I ran into one power hungry cop that actually yelled at me for having no handicap sticker put on my car for my wife. Well I was helping my wife, who has trouble walking on her own, and I also had my dog in my hand. I totally forgot to hang the sign up. Now any schmuck would have seen my predicament and realized what happened. Well, here I am holding my dog and helping my wife. He starts yelling and I am not scared of that excrement, I shot back," what freaking hand do you want me to put the sign up with?".
He gets totally pissy that I don't bow down to him and asks to see my license and I tell him, "sure when I get my wife settled and inside, as you can see plain as day she needs help walking and is you know, handicapped." "I honestly forget what he yelled at me after I said that. I didn't pay attention, I walked away, and settled my wife inside the office building and when I came out the cop was gone.
Now he could have had a bad day, but it's excrement like that or other stuff that can quickly escalate. He didn't have to be such an poopchute, he could have and should have plainly seen I had my hands full. Anyone with common sense, would have just said, hey sir, "your handicap sticker you forgot it."..... " Thank you officer".
Thankfully the cop above probably realize "what the freak am I doing?" after the fact and he was being a douchebag.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 15, 2014, 02:03:32 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 15, 2014, 02:04:34 PM
^ I was always taught that if a cop was too pissed, it's good to engage verbal, as they're trained to defuse the situation and it almost always calms them down. It's worked every time. The guy who told me was head of Pasadena homicide. Of course, we only hear about the guys who defuse in the worst way possible.
I almost always do that. It gets you out of tickets and such, but this guy was just so obnoxious, I can't accurately describe it. It was to the point of infuriating.
BTW my wife was a former Cop, Homicide and sex crimes detective, she was flabbergasted.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 15, 2014, 02:05:23 PM
I almost always do that. It gets you out of tickets and such, but this guy just was so obnoxious, I can't accurately describe it.
I get it. He was a shitty cop, and quite possibly an poopchute in every other respect.
Post by: Johnny English on August 15, 2014, 02:07:02 PM
Of course, in dcm logic that's purely because I don't break any laws, and in the glowing bastion of meritocracy that is modern society all anyone has to do to avoid having negative interactions with law enforcement is not be a criminal.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 15, 2014, 02:10:39 PM
I get it. He was a shitty cop, and quite possibly an poopchute in every other respect.
Anyhow, it really was a nothing story but just conveys the wrong type of person wearing a badge.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 15, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
I honestly can't remember the last time I had reason to interact with a cop. Being white and middle class really doesn't suck at all.
Of course, in dcm logic that's purely because I don't break any laws, and in the glowing bastion of meritocracy that is modern society all anyone has to do to avoid having negative interactions with law enforcement is not be a criminal.
Do you honestly not even know any cops? Most of the interactions I've had have been off duty. Still, living in a city, I see or deal with cops a lot. Almost every bad experience I've had has been when I was in fact breaking a law.
Of course, I don't get how anyone can deny the racial profiling. It's just that's usually as far as it goes in both directions. My nephew, as a tall black man living in an affluent white area, gets profiled. Cops look at him a bit longer. That's as far as it goes. On the flip side, I had cops stop me getting out of my car in a bad neighborhood in Watts to see if I was lost. Very different motivations for the profiling.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 15, 2014, 02:19:59 PM
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 02:30:25 PM
The problem with law enforcement is there's no respect for it and also the kind of person it attracts. Over the years there was an unwritten rule you don't freak with them and they for the most part won't freak with you. That's kind of lost its way.
Secondly, it does attract power mongers, jackasses that have no business having a badge much less a gun. There are a lot of douchebags that get through the screening process. There needs to be a better filtering process. You get the right people for the most part, there will be less incidents.
Maybe they should stop filtering out people who score too high on the IQ test.
Post by: Johnny English on August 15, 2014, 02:32:28 PM
Do you honestly not even know any cops? Most of the interactions I've had have been off duty. Still, living in a city, I see or deal with cops a lot. Almost every bad experience I've had has been when I was in fact breaking a law.
I know a couple but only remotely; friends of friends that I have met on occasion, one who is a member of my wife's extended family, and one who is the wife of a girl with whom I used to be good friends. I wouldn't claim to know any of them on anything other than the most very superficial level of acquaintance. I used to know a fairly senior cop who was a friend of my Dad's but I haven't seen him in over twenty years.
Even when breaking the law, my interactions with them haven't been bad experiences. When I've been caught speeding then it's a fair cop, I'm putting on my most respectful and apologetic act in the hope of getting it bumped down to a lower level. When I was caught shoplifting at 16, I got the almighty bollocking I deserved by a senior cop in front of my Dad and it was exactly the thing I needed. When I got caught at 19 trying and failing to drunkenly skin up a joint outside a nightclub, I got my gear taken off me and sent home with a warning that being seen in town again that night would result in a visit to the cells.
Like I said, being white and middle class doesn't suck.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 15, 2014, 02:32:58 PM
Maybe they should stop filtering out people who score too high on the IQ test.Hahahah I got dq'ed for a Suffolk County Cop test, I scored in the top 1000 out of 48,000 and should have been a shoo-in to be a cop. They got the entire test thrown out.
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 02:38:24 PM
Hahahah I got dq'ed for a Suffolk County Cop test, I scored in the top 1000 out of 48,000 and should have been a shoo-in to be a cop. They got the entire test thrown out.
They claim it's because smarter people will get bored of the job and will leave, right?
More likely it's because smarter people tend to think for themselves. Can't have any more Adrian Schoolcraft situations.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 15, 2014, 02:39:32 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 15, 2014, 02:42:54 PM
They claim it's because smarter people will get bored of the job and will leave, right?
More likely it's because smarter people tend to think for themselves. Can't have any more Adrian Schoolcraft situations.
The official reason was that 10 Police explorers had coaching to take the test and it wasn't fair to everyone. 10? I had zero prior knowledge it was mostly logic questions and other reasoning stuff, lots of "if then", some grey area questions. Questions where you had to use your noodle a little bit, but all in all, it was simple.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 15, 2014, 02:43:18 PM
"Cop shits his diaper.........no one responds"
Only off doody.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 02:48:27 PM
Except you're basically stating that unrest and raging against cops is a good thing, so you don't agree. You also maligned the entirety of the police force, so you're pretty much on entirely different opinions.
except i never said anything of the sort. feel free to put more words in my mouth, "the entirety" nope. try again.
Post by: Coach K on August 15, 2014, 02:49:28 PM
so whatever feel free to draw whatever conclusion you want. ive said about all i have to say on the matter anyways.
Post by: Pope on August 15, 2014, 02:53:09 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 03:06:51 PM
I think we've reached the point that all officers will have to wear cameras with live audio feed for these situations.The only problem is I'm sure officers have to occasionally cross the line with certain individuals (people that everyone would agree are truly the worst of the worst)
And having audio on everyone could result in these extremely horrible people not only going free but suing for millions of dollars.
And im not talking about petty criminals, but like rapist child molesters and gang bangers and excrement.
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 03:08:29 PM
The only problem is I'm sure officers have to occasionally cross the line with certain individuals (people that everyone would agree are truly the worst of the worst)
And having audio on everyone could result in these extremely horrible people not only going free but suing for millions of dollars.
And im not talking about petty criminals, but like rapist child molesters and gang bangers and excrement.
The point is that they aren't supposed to cross the line. If a guilty perp walks on a technicality because the cop fucked up, that's on the cop.
Post by: Johnny English on August 15, 2014, 03:08:39 PM
The only problem is I'm sure officers have to occasionally cross the line with certain individuals (people that everyone would agree are truly the worst of the worst)
No. Not ever acceptable.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 03:11:17 PM
The point is that they aren't supposed to cross the line. If a guilty perp walks on a technicality because the cop fucked up, that's on the cop.Would you really have a problem with a cop beating the freak out of a child molester or serial rapist?
I'm not talking about cases like we've seen where petty offenders have had cops overreact. But the absolute worst of the worst.
I'm sure those cops need to deal with extremely fucked up people/situations, where crossing the line might just happen on occasion
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 03:12:36 PM
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 03:15:03 PM
Would you really have a problem with a cop beating the freak out of a child molester or serial rapist?
If the guy walks as a result of it, yes.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 03:21:28 PM
If the guy walks as a result of it, yes.I agree
Which is why I'm against micing cops
I think more bad people would benefit from it, than good people.
And yes I'm using the terms good and bad very loosely
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 03:22:24 PM
I agree
Which is why I'm against micing cops
I think more bad people would benefit from it, than good people.
And yes I'm using the terms good and bad very loosely
That's because you seem to believe everyone who gets hurt or killed by the cops is bad.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 03:23:28 PM
That's because you seem to believe everyone who gets hurt or killed by the cops is bad.No, I think that the majority of people who get hurt or killed by the cops is bad.
Especially when it happens in the process of them committing a crime
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 03:27:11 PM
No, I think that the majority of people who get hurt or killed by the cops is bad.
Especially when it happens in the process of them committing a crime
Good thing cops are never wrong.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 03:28:35 PM
Good thing cops are never wrong.Of course they are
And then they lose their jobs when the victims sue for millions.
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 03:29:22 PM
Of course they are
And then they lose their jobs when the victims sue for millions.
In which case cameras are a good thing.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 03:31:00 PM
In which case cameras are a good thing.Sure, long as we use cameras on public school teachers, politicians, healthcare, and anyone else whose job could have a significant impact on the life of others
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 03:33:26 PM
Sure, long as we use cameras on public school teachers, politicians, healthcare, and anyone else whose job could have a significant impact on the life of others
Cops are held to a different standard, and rightfully so. Don't try to bring some slippery slope bullshit into this.
Post by: Johnny English on August 15, 2014, 03:35:13 PM
If a cop sees someone shoot a passer by in the face, he arrests that individual under suspicion of having shot them in the face. The legal system then considers the evidence and determines the punishment, if any should be merited. There isn't ever a time in which cops can correctly or reasonably step over the line.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 03:36:47 PM
Cops are held to a different standard, and rightfully so. Don't try to bring some slippery slope bullshit into this.Between 2003 and 2009, the DOJ reported that 4,813 people died while in the process of arrest or in the custody of law enforcement
And presumably the majority of them were criminals
Wanna guess how many people died from healthcare worker mistakes over that time period?
With presumably the majority not being criminals
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 15, 2014, 03:38:16 PM
if by unrest you mean letting people know im not satisfied , then yes. if you mean protest then yes. if you mean looting, then no.
so whatever feel free to draw whatever conclusion you want. ive said about all i have to say on the matter anyways.
Yes, you've said that several times. It never seems to be true, though.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 03:39:08 PM
You appear to be falling into the same trap as these dickheads in uniform causing the problems in the first place. You do realise that it isn't the role of a cop to determine guilt, right? Police don't arrest someone for an offence, they arrest them for the reasonable suspicion that that person might have committed an offence.I'm pretty sure any cop who shot someone who wasn't doing anything wrong goes to prison for murder.
If a cop sees someone shoot a passer by in the face, he arrests that individual under suspicion of having shot them in the face. The legal system then considers the evidence and determines the punishment, if any should be merited. There isn't ever a time in which cops can correctly or reasonably step over the line.
When a cop does shoot someone, it's usually because they're in the act of a crime endangering the safety of others.
I'll also point out that more people get ALS every year than died from cops over the 6 years for which statistics are available
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 03:39:47 PM
Between 2003 and 2009, the DOJ reported that 4,813 people died while in the process of arrest or in the custody of law enforcement
And presumably the majority of them were criminals
Wanna guess how many people died from healthcare worker mistakes over that time period?
With presumably the majority not being criminals
So cops shouldn't be held to higher standards of behavior because of an unrelated line of work. Got it.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 15, 2014, 03:41:21 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 03:42:10 PM
So cops shouldn't be held to higher standards of behavior because of an unrelated line of work. Got it.You guys are attempting to "solve" a problem which you haven't even proved exist.
How many innocent people have died from cops in the last year? 10 years?
And how much would that number decrease with cameras?
And how many "bad guys" would benefit from the cameras?
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 03:44:01 PM
I'm pretty sure any cop who shot someone who wasn't doing anything wrong goes to prison for murder.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
http://abc7.com/archive/9421506/
They won a lawsuit though, so it's OK, right?
Cops who freak up do not get punished sufficiently.
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 03:47:22 PM
You guys are attempting to "solve" a problem which you haven't even proved exist.
How many innocent people have died from cops in the last year? 10 years?
And how much would that number decrease with cameras?
Died, injured, unjustly arrested, unjustly harassed... this is about more than a body count. It's about the way cops conduct themselves.
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And how many "bad guys" would benefit from the cameras?
How exactly would they benefit? Explain this to us. Use your imagination and pretend you're a criminal, tell us how cameras on cops helps you.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 03:52:10 PM
Died, injured, unjustly arrested, unjustly harassed... this is about more than a body count. It's about the way cops conduct themselves.Cop forgets to read a guy his rights or gets headbutted ornsomething while reading the guy his rights and he walks
How exactly would they benefit? Explain this to us. Use your imagination and pretend you're a criminal, tell us how cameras on cops helps you.
Or maybe a cop has to resort to 'excessive' force and or language which then changes matters from a criminal committing a crime to police abuse or some nonsense
Post by: Badger on August 15, 2014, 04:05:26 PM
Cop forgets to read a guy his rights or gets headbutted ornsomething while reading the guy his rights and he walks
Or maybe a cop has to resort to 'excessive' force and or language which then changes matters from a criminal committing a crime to police abuse or some nonsense
So cops shouldn't be held accountable for doing their job properly because sometimes they don't do their job properly.
You know there's a reason those rules exist, right?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 04:10:24 PM
So cops shouldn't be held accountable for doing their job properly because sometimes they don't do their job properly.I'm not sure why I'm so compelled to argue, but I'm conceding from further argument on this topic.
You know there's a reason those rules exist, right?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 15, 2014, 04:12:39 PM
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Here are The Onion’s tips for being an unarmed black teen in America:
-Shy away from dangerous, heavily policed areas.
-Avoid swaggering or any other confident behavior that suggests you are not completely subjugated.
-Be sure not to pick up any object that could be perceived by a police officer as a firearm, such as a cell phone, a food item, or nothing.
-Explain in clear and logical terms that you do not enjoy being shot, and would prefer that it not happen.
-Don’t let society stereotype you as a petty criminal. Remember that you can be seen as so much more, from an armed robbery suspect, to a rape suspect, to a murder suspect.
-Try to see it from a police officer’s point of view: You may be unarmed, but you’re also black.
-Avoid wearing clothing associated with the gang lifestyle, such as shirts and pants.
-Revel in the fact that by simply existing, you exert a threatening presence over the nation’s police force.
-Be as polite and straightforward as possible when police officers are kicking the excrement out of you.
Post by: Pope on August 15, 2014, 04:52:52 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 15, 2014, 05:19:11 PM
I'm pretty sure any cop who shot someone who wasn't doing anything wrong goes to prison for murder.
When a cop does shoot someone, it's usually because they're in the act of a crime endangering the safety of others.
Well, yes. They aren't doing so as punishment for the crime that was already committed, they're doing so to prevent the crime that is being or is about to be committed. That's not crossing the line, that's part of their remit. What are you trying to argue here?
Post by: Cane on August 15, 2014, 05:20:33 PM
if by unrest you mean letting people know im not satisfied , then yes. if you mean protest then yes. if you mean looting, then no.
so whatever feel free to draw whatever conclusion you want. ive said about all i have to say on the matter anyways.
Don't worry, Coach, I know this isn't a race thing. It's just that you simply support criminals.
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Post by: Johnny English on August 15, 2014, 05:20:50 PM
I'm not sure why I'm so compelled to argue, but I'm conceding from further argument on this topic.
A rare moment of sense and lucidity.
Post by: ons on August 15, 2014, 07:14:09 PM
I'm saying I don't think criminals getting shot is an epidemic
If cops start beating the excrement out of innocent black kids because they're racist yeah that's a freaking problem
But shooting a excrement head in the act of a crime isn't something that I'm losing sleep over
http://www.npr.org/2014/08/15/340419821/after-a-traffic-stop-teen-was-almost-another-dead-black-male
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Dude had it coming, his friend had some pot.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2014, 07:19:47 PM
http://www.npr.org/2014/08/15/340419821/after-a-traffic-stop-teen-was-almost-another-dead-black-maleWell he was black, and the police chiefs last name was White...
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Dude had it coming, his friend had some pot.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 15, 2014, 07:32:20 PM
Post by: Tommy on August 15, 2014, 07:33:56 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 15, 2014, 09:00:12 PM
I'm fine with a debate on how to prevent a few poopchute cops from getting away from excrement like this, but I really wish they'd stop turning this into a black vs white issue. Bad neighborhoods in most cities are almost always predominately black, so it should be no surprise that they see the most cops running around. Add the fact that working a crime stricken neighborhood can turn you into a trigger happy poopchute pretty quick. I have friends who are cops in NY and have had to work areas like Brownsville and bedstuy. Guys who were pretty easygoing and liberal in HS now sound like racist assholes having worked those beats.
That's one thing, and race absolutely takes a back seat to poverty as far as high crime neighborhoods are concerned. Racial profiling is absolutely a thing in middle class and especially in high class neighborhoods. The debate as to whether it's a valid thing is where the discussion lies, not whether it exists.
Post by: Tommy on August 15, 2014, 10:21:39 PM
That's one thing, and race absolutely takes a back seat to poverty as far as high crime neighborhoods are concerned. Racial profiling is absolutely a thing in middle class and especially in high class neighborhoods. The debate as to whether it's a valid thing is where the discussion lies, not whether it exists.
Not saying whether it's a good or bad thing, but racial profiling is just human nature. I've been to all black neighborhoods, and I got plenty of "hello officer" as I walked down the street. I'm not a cop, but being that I'm white and in an all black neighborhood, I can at least understand how they'd come up with that assumption. They're just erring on the side of caution. Don't do anything stupid around the white guy, chances are he may be a cop. Same with a black guy in an all white rich neighborhood. People are just using their deductive reasoning to err on the side of caution. Obviously, it's way worse to just assume someone may be a criminal or up to no good, but I don't think you can necessarily label it as racism.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 15, 2014, 11:59:58 PM
Not saying whether it's a good or bad thing, but racial profiling is just human nature. I've been to all black neighborhoods, and I got plenty of "hello officer" as I walked down the street. I'm not a cop, but being that I'm white and in an all black neighborhood, I can at least understand how they'd come up with that assumption. They're just erring on the side of caution. Don't do anything stupid around the white guy, chances are he may be a cop. Same with a black guy in an all white rich neighborhood. People are just using their deductive reasoning to err on the side of caution. Obviously, it's way worse to just assume someone may be a criminal or up to no good, but I don't think you can necessarily label it as racism.
Except it's the white guy whose safety is always being ensured. White guy in a black neighborhood gets asked if he's ok by the cops. Black guy in a white neighborhood gets asked what he's doing there. So the side of caution is consistently to not trust black men.
Post by: IATA on August 16, 2014, 10:21:00 AM
Meanwhile, the store brown robbed has been looted into oblivion.
The cops aren't making it any easier, but the only way to quell an uprising is with a superior show of force.
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Post by: bojanglesman on August 16, 2014, 10:30:41 AM
the only way to quell an uprising is with a superior show of force.
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Post by: Tommy on August 16, 2014, 11:16:29 AM
Except it's the white guy whose safety is always being ensured. White guy in a black neighborhood gets asked if he's ok by the cops. Black guy in a white neighborhood gets asked what he's doing there. So the side of caution is consistently to not trust black men.
Meh. This is all just distracting from the real underlying problems. It's easier to blame cops and white people for whatever is going on within black communities, and none of them ever look inward. Why not? Why can't we talk about the culture that breed violence? What about the culture that perpetuates the stereotype?
I'm seeing articles after articles about how the police are African Americans greatest fear today. freak that. Their own communities are freaking things up. I'm sick and tired of hearing how racism is the biggest thing affecting African Americans.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 16, 2014, 11:17:38 AM
Meh. This is all just distracting from the real underlying problems. It's easier to blame cops and white people for whatever is going on within black communities, and none of them ever look inward. Why not? Why can't we talk about the culture that breed violence? What about the culture that perpetuates the stereotype?
I'm seeing articles after articles about how the police are African Americans greatest fear today. freak that. Their own communities are freaking things up. I'm sick and tired of hearing how racism is the biggest thing affecting African Americans.
I'm not arguing any of that. I'm disputing the idea that profiling cuts both ways.
Post by: Tommy on August 16, 2014, 11:20:15 AM
I'm not arguing any of that. I'm disputing the idea that profiling cuts both ways.
Yeah I'm not arguing that either. I'd just say that it's easier for African Americans to look within as to why that stereotype still exists rather than to just force everyone to not hold any prejudice or stereotypes. That can only go away with time, and time isn't going to help much.
Post by: ons on August 16, 2014, 12:12:42 PM
"robbery does not relate to the initial contact between the officer and Michael Brown"
Also said that they "needed" to release the surveilance video at the same time as they released the name of the cop, but didn't say why. Just seems so unprofessional.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 16, 2014, 12:44:55 PM
Ferguson chief of police saying:
"robbery does not relate to the initial contact between the officer and Michael Brown"
Also said that they "needed" to release the surveilance video at the same time as they released the name of the cop, but didn't say why. Just seems so unprofessional.
Is it really unprofessional?
The police are getting trashed for being racist scumbag bullys who shot a poor innocent kid who just wanted to go to college and be an outstanding member of the community
Yet there's footage of this "gentle giant" robbing a store and manhandling the shopkeeper the same freaking day.
Now I understand that the footage doesnt justify him being shot and killed, and possibly has absolutely nothing to do with the police encounter whatsoever.
But it does show people that this guy was from an innocent do gooder. And it takes credibility away from the people who were saying that this guy was being a polite innocent cooperative little boy that the cops just wanted to bully for no good reason.
The media has no issue declaring the cops guilty until proven innocent, so whats wrong with the police fighting back
Post by: Miamipuck on August 16, 2014, 12:57:46 PM
Is it really unprofessional?
The police are getting trashed for being racist scumbag bullys who shot a poor innocent kid who just wanted to go to college and be an outstanding member of the community
Yet there's footage of this "gentle giant" robbing a store and manhandling the shopkeeper the same freaking day.
Now I understand that the footage doesnt justify him being shot and killed, and possibly has absolutely nothing to do with the police encounter whatsoever.
But it does show people that this guy was from an innocent do gooder. And it takes credibility away from the people who were saying that this guy was being a polite innocent cooperative little boy that the cops just wanted to bully for no good reason.
The media has no issue declaring the cops guilty until proven innocent, so whats wrong with the police fighting back
Stop already you're continually shitting up this freaking thread and frankly I am freaking tired of it. The penalty for being an idiot and or robbery is not death.
You want justice like that go live in Isis held Iraq or Afghanistan.
Jesus freaking Christ my dad was a cop been around them my entire life, this guy was a freaking tard. Let the kid freaking run, pick him up later with the cavalry.
Use common sense and judgement, which obviously is difficult for you to understand
Post by: Heismanberg on August 16, 2014, 12:59:39 PM
I'm disputing the idea that profiling cuts both ways.
There's profiling. It's just not the same.
I pick up a lot of kids in a really bad neighborhood here that used to be a mill village. All of the houses have been turned into project-like housing since the mill closed down.
The people down there still think I am the police.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 16, 2014, 01:04:04 PM
Stop already you're continually shitting up this freaking thread and frankly I am freaking tired of it. The penalty for being an idiot and or robbery is not death.
You want justice like that go live in Isis held Iraq or Afghanistan.
Jesus freaking Christ my dad was chop been around them my entire life, this guy was a freaking tard. Let the kid freaking run, pick him up later with the cavalry.
The penalty for being an idiot and or robbery is not death.
I dont always have the greatest memory, and sometimes write things incorrectly or incoherently. But can you please show me where I said that the penalty for being an idiot and or robbery should be death ?
Because to the best of my knowledge I recall saying specifically in almost every post of mine in here
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Now I understand that the footage doesnt justify him being shot and killed, and possibly has absolutely nothing to do with the police encounter whatsoever.
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Quote from: Heismanberg on August 15, 2014, 12:45:48 PM
Should the United States execute every person that's ever been charged with shoplifting? Now I know this is a little more than shoplifting, but it was still an unarmed crime.
Getting in trouble for this may have pushed his life down another path. We'll never know.
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No, but people shouldn't be rioting over a person who commits crimes and was shot DURING the process of assaulting a police officer.
And the post of mine that you went on your rant about was about it being "unprofessional" for the police to show a video of this guy robbing a store and assaulting a store owner.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 16, 2014, 01:07:06 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 16, 2014, 01:09:32 PM
Great now that we established you're not a complete loon, please tell how the cop used good judgement and did anything related to upholding the law and keeping the peace, enthral us with your acumen.
I dont recall saying any of those things.
I said this guy wasnt an innocent victim, and the police have the right to show that when they are being portrayed as wild racist hillbillies who enjoy going out and shooting poor innocent black children for fun.
And that I dont think that bad things happening to bad people in the act of doing bad things is an epidemic regardless of the skin color of any/all parties involved
That is my simplified point of view in its entirety.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 16, 2014, 01:23:03 PM
I dont recall saying any of those things.
I said this guy wasnt an innocent victim, and the police have the right to show that when they are being portrayed as wild racist hillbillies who enjoy going out and shooting poor innocent black children for fun.
And that I dont think that bad things happening to bad people in the act of doing bad things is an epidemic regardless of the skin color of any/all parties involved
That is my simplified point of view in its entirety.
Ok, you admitted by default, the cop used poor judgement, didn't use common sense, didn't uphold the law or keep the peace and the penalty for being an idiot and our robbery is not death. So shut up already, you can see why people are angry with what happened.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 16, 2014, 01:39:37 PM
Ok, you admitted by default, the cop used poor judgement, didn't use common sense, didn't uphold the law or keep the peace and the penalty for being an idiot and our robbery is not death. So shut up already, you can see why people are angry with what happened.
This I disagree with.
People are automatically assuming its the officers fault.
First I think Brown deserves to assume some responsibility for putting himself in that situation.
And then a root cause needs to be identified as well as the circumstances.
Not going into the circumstances since they are still unknown (which presumably will eventually come to light and could include things like Brown actually tried to take the officers weapon which imo makes the shooting 100% justified although overkill is certainly a possibility)
Statistically most "problems" are broken processes and not the fault of individuals. So this could be an incident of officers having a lack of faith in incapacitating weapons. Either due to poor training, poor products, insufficient training etc. Leaving the officer to act poorly as a response.
Its possible that the officer was recently assaulted on duty, and counseling/treatment was poor causing him to overreact and to be in the field of duty when he shouldnt have.
Its possible like others have mentioned that too many over-compensatory tough guys are on the force due to poor recruitment and filtering processes.
Theres a million freaking reasons why this thing could have gone wrong, yet all people are seeing and all the media is reporting is white america is super racist and terrible and love to kill innocent black people.
Nobody is attempting to solve or even more importantly figure out the freaking cause of the problem which is why angry freaking retards are rioting in the streets looting stores and tanks riot gear and excrement is all present.
This is why nothing in america ever gets solved because people are a bunch of irrational freaking idiots, and the true problems will never even get addressed let alone discovered.
And yes im being just as ignorant and obnoxious as the freaking people rioting (or getting butthurt over) on this issue. Maybe im fed up with the media and broken/non existent "problem solving", or maybe I just dont see it as a problem (although I guess I should since if the "problem" goes away, so do the freaking obnoxious whiners/media)
But nobody is interesting in fixing anything, and just wants to whine and complain. just like im doing now !!
On that note I reached my ranting quota for the day, now im gonna go freaking hug puppies or something.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 16, 2014, 02:13:35 PM
This I disagree with.
People are automatically assuming its the officers fault.
First I think Brown deserves to assume some responsibility for putting himself in that situation.
And then a root cause needs to be identified as well as the circumstances.
Not going into the circumstances since they are still unknown (which presumably will eventually come to light and could include things like Brown actually tried to take the officers weapon which imo makes the shooting 100% justified although overkill is certainly a possibility)
Statistically most "problems" are broken processes and not the fault of individuals. So this could be an incident of officers having a lack of faith in incapacitating weapons. Either due to poor training, poor products, insufficient training etc. Leaving the officer to act poorly as a response.
Its possible that the officer was recently assaulted on duty, and counseling/treatment was poor causing him to overreact and to be in the field of duty when he shouldnt have.
Its possible like others have mentioned that too many over-compensatory tough guys are on the force due to poor recruitment and filtering processes.
Theres a million freaking reasons why this thing could have gone wrong, yet all people are seeing and all the media is reporting is white america is super racist and terrible and love to kill innocent black people.
Nobody is attempting to solve or even more importantly figure out the freaking cause of the problem which is why angry freaking retards are rioting in the streets looting stores and tanks riot gear and excrement is all present.
This is why nothing in america ever gets solved because people are a bunch of irrational freaking idiots, and the true problems will never even get addressed let alone discovered.
And yes im being just as ignorant and obnoxious as the freaking people rioting (or getting butthurt over) on this issue. Maybe im fed up with the media and broken/non existent "problem solving", or maybe I just dont see it as a problem (although I guess I should since if the "problem" goes away, so do the freaking obnoxious whiners/media)
But nobody is interesting in fixing anything, and just wants to whine and complain. just like im doing now !!
On that note I reached my ranting quota for the day, now im gonna go freaking hug puppies or something.
You admitted the cop used poor judgement didn't uphold the law, used poor judgment by freaking default, when I asked you, you said you never said that, which amounts to you agreeing. Furthermore you said the same freaking thing when I asked it the penalty for being an idiot and or robbery isn't death. So tell me what's your stupid freaking position already.
Because your either agree with the above or don't, there isn't a grey area with respect to shooting and killing a kid.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 16, 2014, 02:24:09 PM
You admitted the cop used poor judgement didn't uphold the law, used poor judgment by freaking default, when I asked you, you said you never said that, which amounts to you agreeing. Furthermore you said the same freaking thing when I asked it the penalty for being an idiot and or robbery isn't death. So tell me what's your stupid freaking position already.
Because your either agree with the above or don't, there isn't a grey area with respect to shooting and killing a kid.
Ok me saying the "this I disagree with" part didnt make sense.
He didnt use good judgement etc etc
But nothing tells you why.
Is it him as an individual, or a failure in one of the processes I mentioned above (or countless parts I didnt mention)
There has been absolutely nothing to suggest that racism is the epicenter of the problem, yet that is the conclusion that many have come to.
Post by: Johnny English on August 16, 2014, 06:21:33 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/media-black-victims_n_5673291.html
Post by: Tommy on August 16, 2014, 07:14:07 PM
There's undoubtedly some bias in this article, but I don't think that de-legitimises its point which is much as IJR was describing in his point about profiling.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/media-black-victims_n_5673291.html
I think you're smart enough to know that article is complete bullshit. It's not just biased, it's creating an issue where there is none. Reminds me of a manish piece.
Post by: Johnny English on August 16, 2014, 07:22:39 PM
I think you're smart enough to know that article is complete bullshit. It's not just biased, it's creating an issue where there is none. Reminds me of a manish piece.
I said there was some bias in it; it's obviously not as cut and dried as "all black kids are bad and all white kids are good", but there's definitely a different type of treatment applied. I wouldn't expect you to recognise that though, as you've already made it very clear that you're one of these daft meritocratists who genuinely believes that there's any kind of level playing field.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 16, 2014, 07:28:46 PM
I said there was some bias in it; it's obviously not as cut and dried as "all black kids are bad and all white kids are good", but there's definitely a different type of treatment applied. I wouldn't expect you to recognise that though, as you've already made it very clear that you're one of these daft meritocratists who genuinely believes that there's any kind of level playing field.
Well the media certainly wouldnt be saying "black suspect in gang" if he wasnt in a gang.
Or "previously arrested for narcotics" if he wasnt.
Not to mention theyre comparing two entirely types of individuals
Criminals with arrest history , vs mentally ill people who eventually snapped.
Plus theyre also cherry picking headlines. Each of those examples they picked is probably 1 of over 100 headlines for the exact same story.
I think you could easily cherry pick biased headlines going both ways on EVERY story in the media.
Post by: Johnny English on August 16, 2014, 07:37:08 PM
Well the media certainly wouldnt be saying "black suspect in gang" if he wasnt in a gang.
Or "previously arrested for narcotics" if he wasnt.
Not to mention theyre comparing two entirely types of individuals
Criminals with arrest history , vs mentally ill people who eventually snapped.
Plus theyre also cherry picking headlines. Each of those examples they picked is probably 1 of over 100 headlines for the exact same story.
I think you could easily cherry pick biased headlines going both ways on EVERY story in the media.
OK, go ahead. Show me the headlines about white victims of police brutality, and the black crazies who go on shooting rampages.
Post by: guinness77 on August 16, 2014, 07:39:14 PM
I think Chris Rock said it best, "there's a one-legged bus boy working here and he wouldn't trade places with me, 'I'm gonna ride this white thing out,' and I'm RICH!"
I could give you specific examples from when I was younger involving incidents with black friends of mine and, even, the white people who were with them (in one case) but I won't. Funny enough, I've also been pulled over in what is a mostly black town, it's one town over from mine (which is fairly mixed), it was after midnight and they asked me like 3 questions (what are you doing here, etc, that kind of excrement) and let me go, didn't even take my ID.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 16, 2014, 07:39:51 PM
OK, go ahead. Show me the headlines about white victims of police brutality, and the black crazies who go on shooting rampages.
?
My comment was on cherry picking headlines to show biases.
Not that black crazies go on shooting rampages, or that whites complain about police brutality.
Post by: Johnny English on August 16, 2014, 07:45:55 PM
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My comment was on cherry picking headlines to show biases.
Not that black crazies go on shooting rampages, or that whites complain about police brutality.
That statement alone should tell you something, but OK. Still, my point was this:
I think you could easily cherry pick biased headlines going both ways on EVERY story in the media.
Go ahead then.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 16, 2014, 07:48:30 PM
That statement alone should tell you something, but OK. Still, my point was this:
Go ahead then.
You dont think of the potentially 300+ headlines on the Brown story the medias biased went both ways?
its the nature of media, and pretty much everything subjective. excrement will always go both ways
Post by: Tommy on August 16, 2014, 07:56:35 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 16, 2014, 07:56:48 PM
You dont think of the potentially 300+ headlines on the Brown story the medias biased went both ways?
its the nature of media, and pretty much everything subjective. excrement will always go both ways
No. That's not the case at all, and glib platitudes don't change that. Good job on avoiding the demand though.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 16, 2014, 08:01:10 PM
No. That's not the case at all, and glib platitudes don't change that. Good job on avoiding the demand though.
ill try stating this differently then
On any major news story, hundreds of headlines will be published on prints/reprints/updates throughout the 1000s of media outlets
Someone could easily cherry pick one single headline out of the 1000s published on the exact same topic, in order to best support their argument.
Post by: Cane on August 16, 2014, 08:22:08 PM
There's undoubtedly some bias in this article, but I don't think that de-legitimises its point which is much as IJR was describing in his point about profiling.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/media-black-victims_n_5673291.html
Simple argument there is that the media is responsive to what's out in the world. They print what people will read, which is what they don't know. Innocent kid is killed? Find something that shows he's not. Universally despised piece of trash goes on a shooting spree? Show that he was actually a mentally troubled person. They are turning the debate and getting people talking about their story.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 17, 2014, 09:17:20 AM
And the cigars Brown stole (I don't know excrement about cigars) are those the type that a person would typically use for rolling papers?
My first thought when I saw that he was stealing cigars was that
Post by: Pope on August 17, 2014, 09:30:10 AM
Out of curiosity, has the officer who shot Browns full account of what had happened been released?I highly doubt he was stealing Romeo and Julieta's. Probably grabbed a box of blunts
And the cigars Brown stole (I don't know excrement about cigars) are those the type that a person would typically use for rolling papers?
My first thought when I saw that he was stealing cigars was that
Post by: dcm1602 on August 17, 2014, 09:48:26 AM
I highly doubt he was stealing Romeo and Julieta's. Probably grabbed a box of bluntsHmm yeah after googling it Swisher Sweets is apparently the cigars of choice for rolling blunts.
Wonder if they'll run a tox screen to show if this guy was high as freak during the incident
Post by: Heismanberg on August 17, 2014, 09:49:20 AM
Hmm yeah after googling it Swisher Sweets is apparently the cigars of choice for rolling blunts.
whitest thing ever said
Post by: Tommy on August 17, 2014, 10:30:19 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 17, 2014, 10:31:13 AM
Why would you steal a box anyway? You can get a whole box for like 30 bucks. If he couldn't manage to put 30 bucks together for a box of blunts then he's better off dead I guess.
jesus
Post by: Pope on August 17, 2014, 10:41:52 AM
Why would you steal a box anyway? You can get a whole box for like 30 bucks. If he couldn't manage to put 30 bucks together for a box of blunts then he's better off dead I guess.The funny thing is that it takes 10 to 20 bucks worth of weed to fill a blunt anyway
Post by: guinness77 on August 17, 2014, 10:43:29 AM
Why would you steal a box anyway? You can get a whole box for like 30 bucks. If he couldn't manage to put 30 bucks together for a box of blunts then he's better off dead I guess.Yeah....who would steal a whole box of cigars? In particular, a box of Dutchmasters? ::)
By the way, that's one of the most outrageous posts I've ever seen on a forum. A bit harsh, perhaps?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 17, 2014, 11:18:14 AM
Post by: guinness77 on August 17, 2014, 11:57:42 AM
I laughed.I did too. Just...wow
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 17, 2014, 12:01:40 PM
Post by: guinness77 on August 17, 2014, 12:08:51 PM
And I've pretty much worked since I was 13 or 14.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 17, 2014, 12:19:40 PM
Seriously, for someone making minimum wage, you have to work more than 5 hours to buy that box. People will steal anything. Lots of people don't have 30 bucks to spare, or rather can't justify the expense, and they're too freaking stupid/entitled/whatever to go without as opposed to stealing.Maybe if he stopped spending his money on drugs, he'd be able to afford cigars.
That's assuming he buys his drugs and doesn't just assault people and steal them
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 17, 2014, 12:23:32 PM
Maybe if he stopped spending his money on drugs, he'd be able to afford cigars.
That's assuming he buys his drugs and doesn't just assault people and steal them
Somehow I don't think it's a wise plan for anyone making zero to excrement to take up smoking. If he's making minimum wage, he ain't spending 13% of his paycheck on shitty cigars.
And cigars are much easier to steal than drugs. I'd much rather freak with a store owner than a dealer.
Post by: guinness77 on August 17, 2014, 01:05:19 PM
"Oh, I not going to get into cigarettes, weed or blunts because I can't afford them."
Post by: guinness77 on August 17, 2014, 01:13:57 PM
And cigars are much easier to steal than drugs. I'd much rather freak with a store owner than a dealer.It can be done, and has, but this. Much easier.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 17, 2014, 03:33:42 PM
I used to steal boxes of cigars when I was this kid's age. I used to steal a lot of excrement when I was his age. Suppose I should have been shot, too, then. ;D
And I've pretty much worked since I was 13 or 14.
Yep. I had a friend who stole liquor twice a week out of a supermarket while a friend and I ran lookout. We sold them out of his trunk. Good thing I wasn't shot as a result. That was a good business, too. I went to private school. We weren't rich, but the people who bought were. We'd get $50+ for a bottle that cost $15 most of the time, and we were averaging about 10 a week for a while there. My friend eventually got busted, but he didn't rat us out.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 17, 2014, 05:22:46 PM
Not that excrement in Ferguson
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/08/what-i-did-after-police-killed-my-son-110038.html?hp=pm_1#.U_Eq7fldVWN
Post by: Johnny English on August 17, 2014, 10:39:12 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 17, 2014, 11:27:15 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 18, 2014, 12:01:19 AM
let's hear what dcm comes up with now
Easy, you deserve one bullet for every five bucks your steal, based on the manufactures suggested retail price, of course.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2014, 05:08:22 AM
let's hear what dcm comes up with nowThen autopsy report does say that the guy either could have been charging the officer or giving up
The toxicology screen will be the interesting part to see
Post by: Tommy on August 18, 2014, 05:17:22 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 18, 2014, 05:56:55 AM
I once heard that if a cop ever has to discharge his weapon that he's trained to do so until emptying the clip. Is that accurate?Tommy had a little discharge from his weapon from emptying the clip in a manboy masseuse. Penicillin fixes all.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 18, 2014, 08:30:23 AM
Then autopsy report does say that the guy either could have been charging the officer or giving up
You are a disgusting person
Post by: Tommy on August 18, 2014, 09:09:54 AM
Tommy had a little discharge from his weapon from emptying the clip in a manboy masseuse. Penicillin fixes all.
Hahahhaha
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2014, 09:56:13 AM
You are a disgusting personFor repeating something the autopsy report said?
This isn't a time sensitive issue, so waiting for the evidence won't change anything
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 18, 2014, 11:38:38 AM
Post by: IATA on August 18, 2014, 02:41:59 PM
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Ferguson, Missouri (CNN) -- The Ferguson, Missouri, police officer who killed Michael Brown says the teenager rushed at him full speed in the moments before the shooting, according to an account phoned into a St. Louis radio station and confirmed as accurate by a source with detailed knowledge of the investigation.
According to the account on KTFK, phoned in by a woman who identified herself as "Josie," the altercation began after Officer Darren Wilson rolled down his window to tell Brown and a friend to stop walking in the street.
When Wilson tried to get out of his cruiser, Brown first tried to push the officer back into the car, then punched him in the face and grabbed for his gun before breaking free after the gun went off once.
Wilson pursued Brown and his friend, ordering them to freeze, according to account. When they turned around, Brown began taunting Wilson, saying he would not arrest them, then ran at the officer at full speed, according to the caller.
Wilson then began shooting. The final shot was to Brown's forehead, and the teenager fell two or three feet in front of Wilson, the caller said.
The account matches Wilson's telling of events to investigators, according to the source.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2014, 03:15:13 PM
Sounds like there's another story from a(man?) witness who also sort of corroborates that account
It sounds like this shooting very well could be justified
I'm sure all the excrement head whiners are gonna love that
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2014, 03:37:38 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2014, 03:49:13 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2014, 03:52:12 PM
Obviously the tox screen corroborates the police officer's account as it's well known how violent people become when they've taken a whole marijuana, and the anonymous caller to the radio station is enough for me.There's more than the caller there's a YouTube video too
And you can't post it on YouTube if it's not true
It was posted the day of the shooting and shows the police crime scene etc
http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/08/18/does-this-raw-footage-vindicate-the-officer-who-shot-and-killed-michael-brown/
(it's on other websites too, that was just the first one to come up and I'm too lazy to change it)
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2014, 04:09:25 PM
Secondly, anything posted on his site would be instantly inadmissible due to it being Glenn Beck - if he posted a live feed of the sun shining outside my house I'd put a coat on.
Thirdly, did you even watch the video? Do you know the first thing about it? How does a conversation between two people whose presence at the scene is a complete unknown constitute evidence of anything any more than the excrement you've written on this thread does?
Post by: Jetaho on August 18, 2014, 04:18:52 PM
Tox screen also came back positive for THC shocking
He got weed! He got weed!
Testing positive for THC indicates that he had smoked pot recently - not that he was high at the time. Even if he were, I strongly doubt he was on some kind of weed-induced rampage.
Yes, he just robbed a store of some cigars and yes, he probably approached the cop in an uppity manner. He was still unarmed though, and I don't see those circumstances as justifying him being fatally shot. The City is going to be writing a big check for this.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2014, 04:19:13 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2014, 04:25:55 PM
Firstly, freak you for trying to make me give that queynte more visits to his waste of internet bandwidth.It says in the article at 630 a witness who saw the events unfold starts talking (the few people speaking in the beginning are just random whiners)
Secondly, anything posted on his site would be instantly inadmissible due to it being Glenn Beck - if he posted a live feed of the sun shining outside my house I'd put a coat on.
Thirdly, did you even watch the video? Do you know the first thing about it? How does a conversation between two people whose presence at the scene is a complete unknown constitute evidence of anything any more than the excrement you've written on this thread does?
And they even put a transcript in the article since the guy speaks all gibberish
He says the officer had his gun drawn and the guy started charging him.
Post by: Pope on August 18, 2014, 04:33:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2014, 04:48:51 PM
THC result is worthless. He could have smoked 2 weeks ago. I smoked last night but I have no initiative to rob anyone or hurt people.
Well its slightly less worthless when it comes back positive in an autopsy report, after he had robbed blunts from a store.
Post by: ons on August 18, 2014, 04:56:52 PM
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... America has manufactured a violent and predominantly black permanent underclass, subjected to our malignant paranoia about crime, living slow-motion death sentences in ghettos from which no amount of presidential hope, change, or lecturing can release them.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-real-nightmare-of-ferguson.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29
Hopefully the recognition that our society is still bound in patterns that increase the liklihood of violent behavior in young black men, and the recognition that the fear (justified or unjustified) of that violent behavior results in more violence instead of less, helps our society move a little faster away from this second-class-citizen holding pattern that we seem to be stuck in.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 18, 2014, 05:04:14 PM
Well its slightly less worthless when it comes back positive in an autopsy report, after he had robbed blunts from a store.
WTF. He didn't rob blunts. He stole a box of cigars, which he might have used for papers. It still doesn't make any difference that he was smoking weed at any point before the arrest. The eyewitness account is interesting, although I'm naturally a bit skeptical of the convenience of this account surfacing after the police version of events came to light. The tox report is not interesting. At all.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 18, 2014, 05:07:35 PM
What scares me the most about this situation is best described here:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-real-nightmare-of-ferguson.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29
Hopefully the recognition that our society is still bound in patterns that increase the liklihood of violent behavior in young black men, and the recognition that the fear (justified or unjustified) of that violent behavior results in more violence instead of less, helps our society move a little faster away from this second-class-citizen holding pattern that we seem to be stuck in.
That's great. I'll read it later, but it sounds like what I meant to post in response to the 'look inward' posts earlier and never got around to. Blacks need to acknowledge that their primary problems exist within their own communities at this point. Having said that, it's a massive vicious cycle. There can be no doubt that segregation and white flight placed large black communities in regions of perpetual malaise. The question is how much responsibility the nation has to step in and help with the problems that continue to plague them. I'm a HUGE supporter of identifying talent in those areas, devoting funds to helping those who are willing and ready to help themselves. The problem is that without that help, far too many get cut down just trying to climb out. It's a very different thing to crawl out of the ghetto than to simply pull yourself up by your bootstraps from most situations.
Post by: guinness77 on August 18, 2014, 05:11:03 PM
Post by: guinness77 on August 18, 2014, 05:15:04 PM
Change the town or city and change the dead kid's name in a few years and this will all happen again. It's sad to acknowledge and it's sadder to say, but it's the truth and you can have all the protests you want, police reforms you want, neighborhood militias formed, speech's that can be given, etc, nothing's gonna change that.
Post by: guinness77 on August 18, 2014, 05:31:11 PM
The cops are in a no-win situation. They're either too judgmental, too forceful, too racist, too brutal or they don't do their jobs.
I'm not excusing police brutality because living in the shadows of NYC the names Abner Louima and Amadeu Diallo are now infamous, but whenever some 12-year-old gets clipped by some gang-member's stray bullet, the first question that gets asked is "where were the police?"
I'll tell you, it's a fine line and one I'm happy I don't walk. It's a thankless job where your pension and retirement age are the only 2 big advantages of a job that could end in less than a few seconds.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 18, 2014, 05:39:24 PM
Post by: ons on August 18, 2014, 05:40:50 PM
When it boils down to it (and this really has nothing to do with this):
The cops are in a no-win situation. They're either too judgmental, too forceful, too racist, too brutal or they don't do their jobs.
I'm not excusing police brutality because living in the shadows of NYC the names Abner Louima and Amadeu Diallo are now infamous, but whenever some 12-year-old gets clipped by some gang-member's stray bullet, the first question that gets asked is "where were the police?"
I'll tell you, it's a fine line and one I'm happy I don't walk. It's a thankless job where your pension and retirement age are the only 2 big advantages of a job that could end in less than a few seconds.
Not that I don't generally agree, but none of the Amadou Diallo cops were convicted for anything, and one of them stayed with the police collecting a six figure salary for over a decade despite not being allowed to perform regular cop duties.
Post by: guinness77 on August 18, 2014, 05:48:24 PM
Not that I don't generally agree, but none of the Amadou Diallo cops were convicted for anything, and one of them stayed with the police collecting a six figure salary for over a decade despite not being allowed to perform regular cop duties.That kinda proves my overall point over my last 2 posts.
Cops are in a no-win situation. Minorities will always be between the crosshairs.
It's a giant excrement sandwich and there's no answer to just magically fix things.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2014, 06:28:37 PM
Five bucks says dcm got his derriere beat by some black kid in high schoolLolwut
There were no black kids in my highschool
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2014, 07:17:13 PM
It says in the article at 630 a witness who saw the events unfold starts talking (the few people speaking in the beginning are just random whiners)
And they even put a transcript in the article since the guy speaks all gibberish
He says the officer had his gun drawn and the guy started charging him.
So? Why do you assume that he's telling the truth, any more than other eyewitnesses who say different?
Post by: Miamipuck on August 18, 2014, 07:21:10 PM
So? Why do you assume that he's telling the truth, any more than other eyewitnesses who say different?
Jesus lets just ask Brown what happened and get his side. I mean after robbing a thirty dollar box of cigars and doing something heinous like walking down the street, he should be able to give an adequate account for his actions.
Waitesekond
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2014, 07:23:01 PM
So? Why do you assume that he's telling the truth, any more than other eyewitnesses who say different?
Because I tend to trust the police
So when the police and multiple civilian witnesses stories match up I generally believe that
Not to mention half those who say different have these retardedly unbelievable stories
OMGGG he was surrendering with his hands up in the air saying how much he loves jesus, when the racist KKK police officer pulled out a fully automatic ak47 and fired 60 shots into him for no good reason.
Which story sounds believable, and which sounds absurd ?
Dont get me wrong im SURE there are racist scumbag cups out there, and if they accidentally beat the freak out of this guy into a coma or something (ie they meant to beat him, and overdid it more than they intended) id believe it.
But a cop shooting a guy 6 times for no reason ? How does that even make sense
Post by: Heismanberg on August 18, 2014, 08:56:36 PM
There were no black kids in my highschool
That makes even more sense
Post by: Tommy on August 18, 2014, 09:15:48 PM
Post by: Pope on August 18, 2014, 10:18:32 PM
Can everyone just admit that we don't know exactly what went down that night? Leave the jumps to conclusions for the morons who are rioting and looting.It's rare that I'm given the opportunity to voice my deeply rooted racism
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2014, 10:22:21 PM
It's rare that I'm given the opportunity to voice my deeply rooted racism
Are you a racist, or do you just enjoy taking the opportunity to say things that could easily be read as being racist?
Post by: Tommy on August 18, 2014, 11:00:59 PM
Post by: Pope on August 18, 2014, 11:07:40 PM
Are you a racist, or do you just enjoy taking the opportunity to say things that could easily be read as being racist?I like having fun with racism but I don't consider myself racist. I think some stereotypes exist for good reason but everyone is equal to me unless they prove otherwise.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 18, 2014, 11:40:13 PM
You can now shut the freak up, dcm. This was an execution.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 19, 2014, 12:22:15 AM
I don't think that black people are predisposed to violent and moronic behavior by virtue of being black, but I do believe that the environment and culture that most black people live in and embrace certainly has a lot to do with high crime rates and aggressive/violent behavior that perpetuates the stereotype.
Just stop.
Post by: Tommy on August 19, 2014, 12:30:42 AM
Just stop.
Ghetto culture isn't romanticized? Come on. You're just fooling yourself.
I lived in Bermuda for a few months back in 2006, and remember everyone talking about the rise in gun and gang violence. They had their first drive by shooting the year before. Crime rates were always very low, and unemployment has never risen past 4%. Why the sudden rise in gang violence and homicides? Well, African-American ghetto culture made its way to Bermuda in the 90s, so more and more younger natives decided that they should embrace it just by virtue of being black. They had no real economic reason to behave as such, but all of a sudden young Bermudans were dressing different, talking like they grew up in the projects, and basically embracing the thug life.
There's nothing inherently wrong with black people, but it's definitely their culture.
Post by: Tommy on August 19, 2014, 12:32:19 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 19, 2014, 09:20:09 AM
And "acting white" in black communities has always been synonymous with speaking proper English, studying, and not following along that ghetto life. Exactly what kind of fucked up message are they sending themselves?
Do you spend a lot of time in black communities?
Post by: Miamipuck on August 19, 2014, 09:30:26 AM
Do you spend a lot of time in black communities?
Tommy was in charge of race relations in high school. He personally greeted all 3 black students that went to his school. In fairness to Tommy 2 of the 3 had a white parent but due to racial impurity laws, 10% plus of black lineage, means your 100% negro.
Post by: Tommy on August 19, 2014, 09:37:03 AM
Actually a quarter of my HS was black, but I spent up to the 4th grade in elementary school as one of the only white kids. The only black kids who ever made an effort were the ones from Africa or Caribbean. The rest took pride in the fact that they didn't do their homework and didn't give a excrement.
Post by: Tommy on August 19, 2014, 09:48:48 AM
It's bullshit. And you know it. What we consider "black culture" is the very thing that's keeping them down, not anything else. It's two Americas of their own making.
I've been all around the world and strongly believe that people are a product of the culture they were brought up into. It should be common sense. All cultures are different, but some are doing their own people a huge disservice.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 19, 2014, 09:49:27 AM
Do you spend a lot of time in black communities?
Clearly not. Nothing in those statements refers to the majority of the blacks in this country unless we're talking about movies.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 19, 2014, 09:49:33 AM
The rest took pride in the fact that they didn't do their homework and didn't give a excrement.
white kids do that too
Post by: Miamipuck on August 19, 2014, 09:50:42 AM
white kids do that too
I did at one time.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 19, 2014, 09:51:25 AM
It's bullshit. And you know it. What we consider "black culture" is the very thing that's keeping them down, not anything else. It's two Americas of their own making.
What is black culture to you, Tommy?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 19, 2014, 09:52:23 AM
And obviously not everyone is like that, but you really have to look at the culture. And it's only getting worse. People are convincing these communities that there's no hope, and that it's us vs them. I blame a portion of it on the Democratic Party that feeds off on that. Vote for us or the racist republicans will take away your rights and social programs. They're guaranteed votes for any democratic candidate, so what better way to pander than feed them the same bullshit lines. After a few generations it becomes the norm. Even with a ton of evidence to the contrary, a long list of successful African Americans, these communities have convinced themselves that there's no hope and that society's inherent racism will hold them down. Black president? freak that. Means nothing because he gets criticized so that means America ain't ready for a black president. Condi rice, Colin Powell? They dont count, republicans. Sellouts.
It's bullshit. And you know it. What we consider "black culture" is the very thing that's keeping them down, not anything else. It's two Americas of their own making.
I've been all around the world and strongly believe that people are a product of the culture they were brought up into. It should be common sense. All cultures are different, but some are doing their own people a huge disservice.
Seriously, stop. You had a good point the first time about looking inward and where responsibility lies for fixing the present problems of urban communities. Now you're ruining all of that with absolutes and bullshit.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 19, 2014, 09:53:09 AM
Post by: Tommy on August 19, 2014, 10:01:50 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 19, 2014, 10:54:30 AM
Ghetto culture isn't romanticized? Come on. You're just fooling yourself.
I lived in Bermuda for a few months back in 2006, and remember everyone talking about the rise in gun and gang violence. They had their first drive by shooting the year before. Crime rates were always very low, and unemployment has never risen past 4%. Why the sudden rise in gang violence and homicides? Well, African-American ghetto culture made its way to Bermuda in the 90s, so more and more younger natives decided that they should embrace it just by virtue of being black. They had no real economic reason to behave as such, but all of a sudden young Bermudans were dressing different, talking like they grew up in the projects, and basically embracing the thug life.
There's nothing inherently wrong with black people, but it's definitely their culture.
freak
"Ghetto culture" took over Bermuda in the 90s, but they didn't have a drive-by shooting until 2005?
Are you walking around ghettos talking with people? This isn't The Wire.
You're not this stupid. If you come to the project housing in the city where I live, those people are going to speak differently than people living in Illinois, New York, California, Florida, Texas...
Post by: Miamipuck on August 19, 2014, 11:01:33 AM
freak
"Ghetto culture" took over Bermuda in the 90s, but they didn't have a drive-by shooting until 2005?
Are you walking around ghettos talking with people? This isn't The Wire.
You're not this stupid. If you come to the project housing in the city where I live, those people are going to speak differently than people living in Illinois, New York, California, Florida, Texas...
But not Bermuda.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 19, 2014, 11:12:35 AM
Hey, I'm open to hearing other sides. My mind has been changed before. This is what I believe to be the issue based on my observations. If you think it's something else, then let me know. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong if I hear a convcining argument.
What other side? How am I supposed to give you evidence that most black people aren't violence loving thugs? That's precisely the problem. People believe what they want to believe based on their own personal observations, so if you're presented with the wrong sample that isn't indicative of the whole, you're going to seek confirmation for it. Two of my siblings have black spouses. I've met at least 100 total relatives between the two of them. I'd say 5 or 6 total are like that, and it's entirely based on where they live. I don't mean city vs suburbs, I mean neighborhood. In a neighborhood full of violence, you're more likely to embrace violence if you want to survive. In a better neighborhood, you won't. It's that simple. Still, it's FAR from a majority. I used to do pro bono work with kids in excrement areas in EPA and LA, and I wasn't allowed to visit some of their homes. It wasn't because all of their neighbors were bad, but there were gang members. As a result, the whole neighborhood wasn't safe for me. The problem is, you think those people ARE the majority. How am I supposed to disprove that, when obviously the worst are going to be the ones who draw all the attention. Hell, there are equal numbers here of Hispanics who embrace that thug life you're talking about. It might even be higher.
As for a 'violent culture', how is that a race thing? That's the argument that has people thinking gamers are going to shoot up high schools because they love violent video games. Most blockbusters are violent. That's an American thing. What is it about black culture in particular that you think glorifies it? The high rate of NRA membership? The people claiming they shoot on sight if you enter their homes? That you'll have to pry their guns from their cold dead hands? People use their guns when they see cause, and poor people generally tend to see more cause.
Post by: Jumbo on August 19, 2014, 11:49:05 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 19, 2014, 12:04:03 PM
It's an economic thing much more than an inherent race thing (read: 0) but economically blacks are more affected in the US. I couldn't claim to know how to fix that problem outright but it seems to me as if it's a lack of education problem, which won't be fixed in this country anytime soon.
It's a cycle. Education isn't important for the children of many people who were taught they weren't worth educating. There's no support at home. My wife sees it a lot in the Hispanic community. The parents value education very highly through elementary school, but then the commitment ends for a lot of parents who were only educated to that level. They can't help their kids, so they slide off a bit. Couple that with problems amplifying with students who should NOT be in the schools and you get why a lot of classrooms fall apart.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 19, 2014, 12:13:44 PM
Couple that with problems amplifying with students who should NOT be in the schools and you get why a lot of classrooms fall apart.
My district is fighting that with alternative schools on the same campus. The kids that need to be self-contained due to behavioral concerns are sent to another building with two police officers and educators trained to deal with hostile students. They ride special buses, they eat separately, and they have to wear very plain uniforms.
They are criminally understaffed over there right now, but they are getting paid more and it does seem to rehabilitate quite a few students...but there are kids are so far gone that it's almost pointless to spend resources on them.
Post by: eyedea on August 19, 2014, 01:13:25 PM
My district is fighting that with alternative schools on the same campus. The kids that need to be self-contained due to behavioral concerns are sent to another building with two police officers and educators trained to deal with hostile students. They ride special buses, they eat separately, and they have to wear very plain uniforms.
They are criminally understaffed over there right now, but they are getting paid more and it does seem to rehabilitate quite a few students...but there are kids are so far gone that it's almost pointless to spend resources on them.
Where do you live?
Post by: eyedea on August 19, 2014, 01:17:15 PM
http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/witnesses-say-ferguson-teen-attacked-cop-before-shooting/
Post by: Johnny English on August 19, 2014, 01:18:45 PM
Maybe I am late to the party, but I just read the NY Post. It says now Ferguson Attacked the cop first?
http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/witnesses-say-ferguson-teen-attacked-cop-before-shooting/
Not sure where to start with this post.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 19, 2014, 01:23:08 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 19, 2014, 01:24:14 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 19, 2014, 02:23:55 PM
Maybe I am late to the party, but I just read the NY Post. It says now Ferguson Attacked the cop first?Listen the cop was White and the kid was black
http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/witnesses-say-ferguson-teen-attacked-cop-before-shooting/
So obviously the cop was a racist poopchute, and anyone who disagrees with that is also a racist
There is no way this poor innocent gentle giant teddy bear did anything wrong to deserve being shot by a racist evil police officer
That's simply impossible
Post by: eyedea on August 19, 2014, 02:27:36 PM
St. Louis cops shoot knife-wielding suspect dead
http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/suspect-killed-in-st-louis-cop-shooting/
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 19, 2014, 02:34:02 PM
My district is fighting that with alternative schools on the same campus. The kids that need to be self-contained due to behavioral concerns are sent to another building with two police officers and educators trained to deal with hostile students. They ride special buses, they eat separately, and they have to wear very plain uniforms.
They are criminally understaffed over there right now, but they are getting paid more and it does seem to rehabilitate quite a few students...but there are kids are so far gone that it's almost pointless to spend resources on them.
I wish LAUSD would do that. Instead it's a bizarre lottery system in which you get added chances if your school sucks, but there are no stipulations that you have to work hard or give a freak. Bad neighborhood? Come to a good one! So now every school sucks.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 19, 2014, 03:14:13 PM
This just happened:More racist cops
St. Louis cops shoot knife-wielding suspect dead
http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/suspect-killed-in-st-louis-cop-shooting/
Post by: ons on August 19, 2014, 04:34:46 PM
Post by: Badger on August 19, 2014, 05:22:42 PM
Apparently there is surveillance video showing Mike Brown paid for the cigars. And neither the owner of the shop or any employee ever contacted the police about the incident.
From where? Previous video showed the clerk trying to stop Brown from leaving.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 19, 2014, 05:51:52 PM
From where? Previous video showed the clerk trying to stop Brown from leaving.Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson made a cgi video
It also shows brown taking the cigars to a soup kitchen for the homeless , right after he did the ALS icebucket challenge
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 19, 2014, 05:53:54 PM
Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson made a cgi video
It also shows brown taking the cigars to a soup kitchen for the homeless , right after he did the ALS icebucket challenge
Hahahahaha
Post by: ons on August 19, 2014, 05:56:43 PM
From where? Previous video showed the clerk trying to stop Brown from leaving.
I looked into it a bit, nowhere reliable reporting he paid. Only speculation that the video actually shows Mike Brown handing the clerk some cash, and not taking most of the items he grabbed. This is the clip circulating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maA1FUJqhew
It looks like it's possible he paid, the clerk could be holding onto some cash. And Brown and his friend definitely did not take all of the packs they could have - they clearly both put some back on the counter after holding them at some point. But they probably took more than they paid for, judging by their behavior.
The store's attorney said definitively that no one from the store ever called or contacted the cops. Cops contacted them after the shooting for the surveilance videos.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 19, 2014, 06:03:22 PM
I looked into it a bit, nowhere reliable reporting he paid. Only speculation that the video actually shows Mike Brown handing the clerk some cash, and not taking most of the items he grabbed. This is the clip circulating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maA1FUJqhew
It looks like it's possible he paid, the clerk could be holding onto some cash. And Brown and his friend definitely did not take all of the packs they could have - they clearly both put some back on the counter after holding them at some point. But they probably took more than they paid for, judging by their behavior.
The store's attorney said definitively that no one from the store ever called or contacted the cops. Cops contacted them after the shooting for the surveilance videos.
lolwut
how can you even pretend that he paid
Did you watch the original video ?
Brown grabs the store owner by the throat (area) and pushes him into a rack of crap
Wnen the clerk goes to grab him he turns around and threatens to beat the excrement out of him (with body language)
You gotta be smoking excrement stronger than Brown if you think that he didnt rob that store
Post by: Heismanberg on August 19, 2014, 06:05:04 PM
You gotta be smoking excrement stronger than Brown if you think that he didnt rob that store
Marlboro menthol?
Post by: Badger on August 19, 2014, 06:19:31 PM
Brown grabs the store owner by the throat (area) and pushes him into a rack of crap
Did he crush his larrox?
Post by: ons on August 19, 2014, 06:38:33 PM
lolwut
how can you even pretend that he paid
Did you watch the original video ?
Brown grabs the store owner by the throat (area) and pushes him into a rack of crap
Wnen the clerk goes to grab him he turns around and threatens to beat the excrement out of him (with body language)
You gotta be smoking excrement stronger than Brown if you think that he didnt rob that store
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But they probably took more than they paid for, judging by their behavior.
I have to say, if one assumes the average American received an education remotely comparable to the lack of sense or basic comprehension you so regularly demonstrate, these types of problems popping up this regularly makes a lot of sense.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 19, 2014, 06:43:52 PM
I have to say, if one assumes the average American received an education remotely comparable to the lack of sense or basic comprehension you so regularly demonstrate, these types of problems popping up this regularly makes a lot of sense.
Well hopefully the average american doesnt talk in circles, otherwise those lack of comprehension skills will become a major problem
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It looks like it's possible he paid, the clerk could be holding onto some cash. And Brown and his friend definitely did not take all of the packs they could have - they clearly both put some back on the counter after holding them at some point. But they probably took more than they paid for, judging by their behavior.
The store's attorney said definitively that no one from the store ever called or contacted the cops. Cops contacted them after the shooting for the surveilance videos.
Post by: ons on August 19, 2014, 06:45:03 PM
You're just such a waste of time.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 19, 2014, 06:53:53 PM
Well hopefully the average american doesnt talk in circles, otherwise those lack of comprehension skills will become a major problem
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Post by: dcm1602 on August 19, 2014, 06:54:49 PM
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I was just gonna raise my hands and say I surrender dont shoot
In hopes that ill get shot 6 times for doing nothing wrong
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2014, 07:52:42 PM
Did he crush his larrox?
Did he crush his larrox?
Did he crush his larrox?
YES
Post by: dcm1602 on August 19, 2014, 08:00:41 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on August 20, 2014, 09:18:33 AM
My district is fighting that with alternative schools on the same campus. The kids that need to be self-contained due to behavioral concerns are sent to another building with two police officers and educators trained to deal with hostile students. They ride special buses, they eat separately, and they have to wear very plain uniforms.
They are criminally understaffed over there right now, but they are getting paid more and it does seem to rehabilitate quite a few students...but there are kids are so far gone that it's almost pointless to spend resources on them.
Same here, my district is calling the separate facility the C fC (Chance for. Change Academy ). I can't comment on the staffing, but considering they only take the absolute worst kids when there are probably another couple hundred they could take it speaks to serious understaffing. I teach in the heart of Alexandria City just outside DC at a school with about 3000 kids.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 20, 2014, 09:20:34 AM
Good lord the dude is running for congress, am I behind the times.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 20, 2014, 09:39:46 AM
My district had to bus in kids from the inner city. One of them became a top ranked heavy weight fighter, go figure, he fought the Russian champs and such. I think he was too old by the time he became any good. I think he was in prison till the his late 20's early 30's.
Good lord the dude is running for congress, am I behind the times.
The heavyweight wrestling champion of the US plays nose tackle for us. He hasn't lost a wrestling match in high school. If he wins a state title again, he'll be the first heavyweight to win four in a row. Doubt he goes to jail or runs for congress.
Not sure if he's going to compete nationally this year, because he may start preparing for Clemson football early.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 20, 2014, 06:03:20 PM
But he shot him because he's a racist scumbag.
Post by: NDMick on August 21, 2014, 11:06:54 AM
It's being reported that the officer suffered a fractured eye socket when Michael Brown attacked him.
But he shot him because he's a racist scumbag.
Only on right-wing crazies internet can I find those reports.
Can anyone find a legit report of that?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2014, 11:20:04 AM
Only on right-wing crazies internet can I find those reports.I'm not sure where Washington Post fits but
Can anyone find a legit report of that?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/21/darren-wilson-had-an-eye-bone-fracture-after-scuffle-with-michael-brown-family-friend-says/
And
The hospital X-rays of the injury have been submitted to the St. Louis County prosecuting attorney, and will be shared with a grand jury now weighing evidence to determine if Officer Darren Wilson should be charged in the shooting.
So yeah...
About him being a poor innocent wittle boy
But it's ok, the liberal media and Mr. E are still calling him the Gentle Giant Teddy Bear
Post by: Tommy on August 21, 2014, 11:24:47 AM
Post by: ons on August 21, 2014, 12:05:09 PM
These riots remind me of the outrage surrounding that unarmed white Tosh.0 producer who was killed by cops. Oh wait...
Cops were called to respond to a two-person knifing incident, showed up to find two men running out of a building covered in blood - it looked like one was chasing the other. Definitely a senseless death, but not really equivical to what's being alleged here.
Post by: NDMick on August 21, 2014, 01:43:25 PM
I'm not sure where Washington Post fits but
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/21/darren-wilson-had-an-eye-bone-fracture-after-scuffle-with-michael-brown-family-friend-says/
And
The hospital X-rays of the injury have been submitted to the St. Louis County prosecuting attorney, and will be shared with a grand jury now weighing evidence to determine if Officer Darren Wilson should be charged in the shooting.
So yeah...
About him being a poor innocent wittle boy
But it's ok, the liberal media and Mr. E are still calling him the Gentle Giant Teddy Bear
That's better than the blogs that google gave me last night. The NRA psycho-blogs were the only ones reporting that last night, and the NY Post, which is essentially toilet paper. A family friend is reporting this - not medical examiners. This claim means little until its backed up by actual evidence.
Weed doesn't make people aggressive, so if there was anything else in his system we'll have to find out with later reports.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2014, 02:34:58 PM
That's better than the blogs that google gave me last night. The NRA psycho-blogs were the only ones reporting that last night, and the NY Post, which is essentially toilet paper. A family friend is reporting this - not medical examiners. This claim means little until its backed up by actual evidence.It's not like the claim was some silly rumor that can't be proven.
Weed doesn't make people aggressive, so if there was anything else in his system we'll have to find out with later reports.
The claim is that there are X-rays of the guys broken eye socket which were given to a grand jury. And there will be a freak ton of documentation from any hospital to help confirm authenticity
So I'd be pretty surprised if these claims weren't true at this point.
I mean it's absolutely possible that they're complete bullshit, but I find that rather unlikely due to the ease of which they can be proven
Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2014, 04:02:11 PM
137,000$ raised for the victim cop who shot his assailant
Post by: ons on August 21, 2014, 04:32:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU&bpctr=1408658275
Post by: ons on August 21, 2014, 04:37:07 PM
That's better than the blogs that google gave me last night. The NRA psycho-blogs were the only ones reporting that last night, and the NY Post, which is essentially toilet paper. A family friend is reporting this - not medical examiners. This claim means little until its backed up by actual evidence.
Yeah, as we well know with anonymous sources, nothing can be taken for granted:
Quote
Reports that Ofc Darren Wilson had a bruised or fractured eye socket are false. #ferguson
A source close to the investigation tells CNN
Wilson was taken to the hospital after the shooting. He had xrays which came back negative. He was treated for a swollen face. #ferguson
- Julian Cummings CNN
https://twitter.com/JulianCummings
Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2014, 05:06:06 PM
Yeah, as we well know with anonymous sources, nothing can be taken for granted:Still supports that Brown attacked the officer and had struck him in the face and wasn't an innocent gentle giant teddy bear
- Julian Cummings CNN
https://twitter.com/JulianCummings
Post by: Cane on August 21, 2014, 06:36:59 PM
Not safe for anything, video footage of the police shooting the guy yelling, "shoot me now" with a knife, described at lunging at the cops:
I saw that yesterday. It seems like a "death by cops" type deal. Those people are as dangerous as any for cops (and everyone else around them).
Post by: IATA on August 21, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
Still supports that Brown attacked the officer and had struck him in the face and wasn't an innocent gentle giant teddy bear
Ya, I'm not sure confirming the officer was attacked is going to help the case here against the officer, especially if the testimony that Brown lunged at the officer prior to the shooting is true.
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Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2014, 06:47:00 PM
Uhm it almost certainly would
Ya, I'm not sure confirming the officer was attacked is going to help the case here against the officer, especially if the testimony that Brown lunged at the officer prior to the shooting is true.
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Since he didn't execute an innocent kid
There's a gargantuan world of difference between shooting an innocent kid with his hands up six times
Vs. Shooting some scumbag druggie who is trying to beat the living excrement out of you
Post by: IATA on August 21, 2014, 06:47:38 PM
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Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2014, 06:51:45 PM
I was agreeing with you.I love to argue so much that I was disagreeing with you agreeing with me!
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Post by: Tommy on August 21, 2014, 07:34:26 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2014, 07:42:10 PM
You don't approach cops, especially when they tell you to get back. Growing up this was common knowledge and everyone knew that it would result in getting shot. This isn't a new phenomenon, nor is it evidence of some new police brutality.
But the cop was white
Post by: Tommy on August 21, 2014, 08:01:33 PM
Cops were called to respond to a two-person knifing incident, showed up to find two men running out of a building covered in blood - it looked like one was chasing the other. Definitely a senseless death, but not really equivical to what's being alleged here.
It's not equivocal because the victim was white. That's the reality here. The argument then, and rightfully so, was about cops acting too hastily and resorting to their firearm right away. When it's a black victim, all of a sudden it's "is America ready to end racial intolerance??" or some other nonsense. It's nauseating.
Post by: Badger on August 21, 2014, 08:58:36 PM
Uhm it almost certainly would
Since he didn't execute an innocent kid
There's a gargantuan world of difference between shooting an innocent kid with his hands up six times
Vs. Shooting some scumbag druggie who is trying to beat the living excrement out of you
The reality lies somewhere in between those two imaginary extremes.
Post by: Badger on August 21, 2014, 09:10:38 PM
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5698013
137,000$ raised for the victim cop who shot his assailant
Can we start a 12 gauge challenge? People can shoot themselves in the face to raise awareness for victims of police shooting.
Post by: NDMick on August 21, 2014, 10:00:30 PM
Yeah, as we well know with anonymous sources, nothing can be taken for granted:
- Julian Cummings CNN
https://twitter.com/JulianCummings
"Claims" was a dead giveaway the broken eye socket was bullshit.
So the story of the struggle in the car is probably true. But I can imagine that the kid being shot as he ran away, being caught up to, raising his hands in the air, and then being executed like a dog is probably also true.
Post by: IATA on August 21, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
Post by: ons on August 22, 2014, 08:21:31 AM
It's not equivocal because the victim was white. That's the reality here. The argument then, and rightfully so, was about cops acting too hastily and resorting to their firearm right away. When it's a black victim, all of a sudden it's "is America ready to end racial intolerance??" or some other nonsense. It's nauseating.
You're right, cops being called to a violent scene responding to claims of a knife-wielding murderer running around stabbing people are expected to act roughly the same as when cops stop a couple of jaywalking teenagers.
Post by: ons on August 22, 2014, 08:22:40 AM
I saw that yesterday. It seems like a "death by cops" type deal. Those people are as dangerous as any for cops (and everyone else around them).
Yeah, pretty rough to see those kinds of situations.
Post by: ons on August 22, 2014, 08:26:00 AM
Ya, I'm not sure confirming the officer was attacked is going to help the case here against the officer, especially if the testimony that Brown lunged at the officer prior to the shooting is true.
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The fact that they had a violent confrontation was never contested by either side, it's about who initiated the confrontation and what deadly force should be utilized for.
Post by: Tommy on August 22, 2014, 08:52:27 AM
You're right, cops being called to a violent scene responding to claims of a knife-wielding murderer running around stabbing people are expected to act roughly the same as when cops stop a couple of jaywalking teenagers.
This is circling back to the same argument during the treyvon case. Sure, treyvon would still be alive if Zimmerman hadn't approached him, and the guy in ferguson would be too if the cops just drove by, but does that absolve the victims of fault completely? Treyvon beat the excrement out of Zimmerman and he responded with force, the guy in ferguson rushed the cops and they fired.
Post by: ons on August 22, 2014, 09:12:32 AM
This is circling back to the same argument during the treyvon case. Sure, treyvon would still be alive if Zimmerman hadn't approached him, and the guy in ferguson would be too if the cops just drove by, but does that absolve the victims of fault completely? Treyvon beat the excrement out of Zimmerman and he responded with force, the guy in ferguson rushed the cops and they fired.
Both parties in both cases fall into this dynamic of violence being associated with and expected of young black men. The fear of black men, and the associated fear that black men have of authority figures they can't trust, both play into the escalation of these specific situations as well as the prevalence of these types of situations. I don't think that the cop will be found guilty of any crime - I think he likely was genuinely was frightened for his life - but that doesn't mean these types of killings are good for the country.
That being said, what seems surreal to me is that the word of 'sources close to the police department' being regarded as the truth this early in the case, especially considering that same police department has arrested up to a dozen or so journalists and have generally seemed to be purposefully and willfully manipulating the truth as frequently as possible.
Post by: Tommy on August 22, 2014, 09:21:02 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 22, 2014, 09:31:29 AM
Didn't the guy just rob a bodega? I don't think fear is what drove the cop to stop the guy since he obviously had a legit reason to question him.The cop didn't have prior knowledge of the robbery.
Post by: ons on August 22, 2014, 09:32:42 AM
Didn't the guy just rob a bodega? I don't think fear is what drove the cop to stop the guy since he obviously had a legit reason to question him.
Police Comish there said that the cop had no knowledge of the Bodega robbery upon stopping the two kids. Reports are conflicted as to whether he then became aware of the incident during the stop. If fear isn't the reason he shot the kid, then he's fucked and is going to prison.
Post by: NDMick on August 22, 2014, 09:36:16 AM
then he's fucked and is going to prison.
It's uncommon for cops to go to prison anymore.
He'll get either a shitty desk job or he'll get fired.
Post by: Badger on August 22, 2014, 09:43:28 AM
It's uncommon for cops to go to prison anymore.
He'll get either a shitty desk job or he'll get fired.
Suspended with pay for a month before being returned to the field
Post by: Tommy on August 22, 2014, 09:48:41 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 22, 2014, 09:56:56 AM
It's not equivocal because the victim was white. That's the reality here. The argument then, and rightfully so, was about cops acting too hastily and resorting to their firearm right away. When it's a black victim, all of a sudden it's "is America ready to end racial intolerance??" or some other nonsense. It's nauseating.
Once again you bypass a good point and continue on to the extreme.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 22, 2014, 09:58:15 AM
I'm fine with this being an issue about cops being increasingly reckless, but by turning it into a bullshit white vs black issue, we distract from the problem, and only encourage divisive opinions. Saying "the cops went too far and were reckless" would actually get more results than "racist cops in racist America hunt down black people."
You don't think there's room to discuss both here? Read what ons said and actually listen. That's a discussion worth having. Post racial America isn't a thing, but it's not the 1960s either.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 22, 2014, 10:28:43 AM
This is circling back to the same argument during the treyvon case. Sure, treyvon would still be alive if Zimmerman hadn't approached him, and the guy in ferguson would be too if the cops just drove by, but does that absolve the victims of fault completely? Treyvon beat the excrement out of Zimmerman and he responded with force, the guy in ferguson rushed the cops and they fired.
Post by: Badger on August 22, 2014, 10:45:47 AM
I don't think the T. Martin case has anything to do with this one. They're not remotely similar situations. One was initiated by a freaking loon wanna be cop, the exact type we have to keep from getting a badge and that escalated to a senseless killing. The Ferguson thing was professional law enforcement that you would think wouldn't degrade into a killing over walking down the middle of the street.
In reality obviously they have nothing to do with each other but the race baiters on both sides will lump it all together.
Post by: Tommy on August 22, 2014, 10:47:02 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2014, 11:02:55 AM
That's the thing. He didn't kill him because he was walking down the street, of just for being black. He shot him because the guy attacked the cop. You attack a cop, you get shot. Did the cop provoke him? Maybe, but that doesn't mean you can just start swinging and expect to not get fucked.
95% of the people claiming it's a race issue live in MO.
In my eyes it's always been a question of did the kid committ a crime or take action to justify a police officer putting 6 bullets in him when he was supposedly surrendering and saying he was unarmed.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 22, 2014, 11:08:57 AM
That's the thing. He didn't kill him because he was walking down the street, of just for being black. He shot him because the guy attacked the cop. You attack a cop, you get shot. Did the cop provoke him? Maybe, but that doesn't mean you can just start swinging and expect to not get fucked.
I withheld judgment because I have kinder feelings toward cops than a lot of people. It looks like it was a good move given that TE evidence seems to point to at least some blame on the kid's side. At the very least, it was an unfortunate escalation that he contributed to.
Now, that means that IMO he wasn't killed because he was black. He wasn't shot because he was black. However, I absolutely believe he'd still be alive if he was white. That's a distinction an awful lot of people can't seem to wrap their heads around. It does no good to say the cops want to kill black kids. It's just not true. Thinking that race doesn't contribute as an impetus to initial action is silly too.
You want to mention Trayvon? That kid may have been shot because he was fighting. He'd still be alive if he was white.
Post by: Cane on August 22, 2014, 11:12:28 AM
There is a chicken and egg problem that's developing with the public and the police force. One side will say it's an increase in police violence (I think more accurately described as an increased awareness of police violence), the other will say its an decline in respect for cops. Both sides are wasting their breath because no one is working on a global solution, everyone wants to say the other side started it. We don't respect them because they're violent, we're aggressive because they're aggressive, etc. excrement won't change because the only voices we hear are the loudest ones, which tend to be the most extreme. All that does is pee off the other side and push them farther away.
Post by: Tommy on August 22, 2014, 12:25:17 PM
The real problem here is that nothing will come from this. One side reacted way too strongly before information was out there, and the other side way too poorly to that initial reaction. Both sides did a real excrement job and turned the whole thing into a sideshow. People aren't going to learn anything from this situation because the way things developed simply pushed people to the extremes. This has become a war in which the loser will feel resentment, not a forum for open debate, and it's too late to fix that.
There is a chicken and egg problem that's developing with the public and the police force. One side will say it's an increase in police violence (I think more accurately described as an increased awareness of police violence), the other will say its an decline in respect for cops. Both sides are wasting their breath because no one is working on a global solution, everyone wants to say the other side started it. We don't respect them because they're violent, we're aggressive because they're aggressive, etc. excrement won't change because the only voices we hear are the loudest ones, which tend to be the most extreme. All that does is pee off the other side and push them farther away.
Well said.
Post by: Johnny English on August 22, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 22, 2014, 02:05:18 PM
They don't lie.
They don't overreact.
They don't use weapons of war in the streets of an American city.
They don't violate the very Constitution of the United States.
All they do is defend themselves against violently aggressive bodega robbers who don't understand that jaywalking is a serious offense!
Post by: dcm1602 on August 22, 2014, 02:35:23 PM
Come on guys. The cops are the good guys here.You're ridiculous
They don't lie.
They don't overreact.
They don't use weapons of war in the streets of an American city.
They don't violate the very Constitution of the United States.
All they do is defend themselves against violently aggressive bodega robbers who don't understand that jaywalking is a serious offense!
Anyone who is crazy enough to defend a person that got shot because he assaulted a freaking police officer has issues
That's my polite way of putting it
Post by: NDMick on August 22, 2014, 04:11:16 PM
You're ridiculous
Anyone who is crazy enough to defend a person that got shot because he assaulted a freaking police officer has issues
That's my polite way of putting it
What's your rude way of putting it?
Post by: NDMick on August 22, 2014, 04:17:12 PM
Don't see a bunch of news reports around the nation about cops shooting suspects who have assaulted them. They just arrest them and put them in jail for breaking the law.
One Officer got bit in the triceps, another assaulted his wife and two cops. Neither suspects are dead.
Those cops didnt do their jobs correctly. They should have disembodied those criminals for assaulting them.
Post by: NDMick on August 22, 2014, 04:24:41 PM
There seems to be an epidemic. I guess those women should cut their funbags off and grow a dick.
But then again, they might get shot for doing so.
I guess Americans can't win, eh?
Post by: IATA on August 22, 2014, 05:52:33 PM
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 22, 2014, 05:53:07 PM
Just googled "assaulting a police officer"
Don't see a bunch of news reports around the nation about cops shooting suspects who have assaulted them. They just arrest them and put them in jail for breaking the law.
One Officer got bit in the triceps, another assaulted his wife and two cops. Neither suspects are dead.
Those cops didnt do their jobs correctly. They should have disembodied those criminals for assaulting them.
I'm pretty sure no one said it ended in an ideal fashion. The question is whether it ended acceptably. Obviously no one thinks the kid should be dead right now.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 22, 2014, 05:53:29 PM
You can't be serious.
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Sadly, I think he is.
Post by: Badger on August 22, 2014, 05:56:28 PM
I'm pretty sure no one said it ended in an ideal fashion. The question is whether it ended acceptably. Obviously no one thinks the kid should be dead right now.
Except dcm.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 22, 2014, 06:00:54 PM
Except dcm.
Did he actually say that, or is he just arguing that it wasn't an unacceptable end?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 22, 2014, 06:04:04 PM
Except dcm.I think it ended acceptably not ideally.
The kid attacked a freaking man with a gun and got shot.
Don't need to be a freaking rocket scientist to know that attacking a person armed and trained to use a gun is a terrible idea.
Not to mention that assaulting a police officer is generally a bad thing to do.
That's not to suggest that the police can't improve, but I certainly don't think the officer is at fault here
Post by: Badger on August 22, 2014, 06:26:12 PM
Did he actually say that, or is he just arguing that it wasn't an unacceptable end?
He passively finds it acceptable.
Edit: I was too slow
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 22, 2014, 07:01:25 PM
He passively finds it acceptable.
Edit: I was too slow
Which is different than thinking killing the kid was ideal.
Post by: guinness77 on August 22, 2014, 09:55:08 PM
Except dcm.Tommy said he deserved to die because he couldn't afford a box of cigars. Go back a few pages.
Post by: guinness77 on August 22, 2014, 09:57:05 PM
I'm not going through the details of this case but if you try to go at it with the wrong cop, you will probably get shot.
Post by: guinness77 on August 22, 2014, 09:58:19 PM
This is forever a no-win situation. Nothing will ever change that. Nothing.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 22, 2014, 10:02:57 PM
Some people are just afraid to get their derriere kicked. What happened to stun guns?
I'm not going through the details of this case but if you try to go at it with the wrong cop, you will probably get shot.
Theres also the matter of people shouldn't have to worry about being afraid to get their derriere kicked.
I mean what happened to not assaulting people
Oh yeah the crowdfunder for the officer is now up to almost 250,000 $
Post by: guinness77 on August 22, 2014, 10:09:49 PM
I mean what happened to not assaulting peopleWhat are you babbling about now?
Post by: guinness77 on August 22, 2014, 10:11:13 PM
If you're afraid to get assaulted you should probably find another way to pay your bills.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 22, 2014, 10:16:33 PM
Some cops would relish a fight. Kidding me?
If you're afraid to get assaulted you should probably find another way to pay your bills.
Im pretty sure people dont become police officers so that people will attack them.
Although I have been known to be wrong before
Post by: guinness77 on August 22, 2014, 10:21:37 PM
Im pretty sure people dont become police officers so that people will attack them.So...if I'm to become a police officer. Go through 9 months of academy. I'm led to believe all this stuff I've learned...there's no chance of violence involved in my job? None?
Although I have been known to be wrong before
Post by: Badger on August 22, 2014, 11:32:19 PM
Post by: Tommy on August 23, 2014, 12:15:32 AM
Tommy said he deserved to die because he couldn't afford a box of cigars. Go back a few pages.
You didn't think I was serious about that did you?
Post by: Tommy on August 23, 2014, 12:18:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIKfoO-JTcc
What was the point of that video? Seems like a normal debate.
Post by: Badger on August 23, 2014, 01:01:00 AM
What was the point of that video? Seems like a normal debate.
What do you mean by normal?
Post by: Tommy on August 23, 2014, 02:32:57 AM
What do you mean by normal?
Two guys arguing semantics. Besides I don't even know how a debate on automatic weapons has anything to do with what happened in ferguson. Close to 100pct of gun crimes are with handguns anyway.
Post by: guinness77 on August 23, 2014, 05:45:26 AM
You didn't think I was serious about that did you?Do I even dignify this question with an answer?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 23, 2014, 06:02:32 AM
Post by: Coach K on August 23, 2014, 07:09:09 AM
Killer Mike CNN Interview: http://youtu.be/c9dZctr84QY
Post by: Tommy on August 23, 2014, 07:22:10 AM
I said I was done but watching how out of control this is I'll just urge everyone ta ke a step back and watch this. In its entirety, some wont. But a very interesting perspective that makes some very valid points.
Killer Mike CNN Interview: http://youtu.be/c9dZctr84QY
Killa Mike sounds like a great guy. Spike Lee needs to shut the freak up. Why is he still relevant?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 23, 2014, 08:05:37 AM
Post by: NDMick on August 23, 2014, 09:06:16 AM
You can't be serious.
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most of that was sarcastic.
Like 98.23%
Post by: Badger on August 23, 2014, 09:14:45 AM
Two guys arguing semantics. Besides I don't even know how a debate on automatic weapons has anything to do with what happened in ferguson. Close to 100pct of gun crimes are with handguns anyway.
My point was mostly to show how shitty CNN is in general with an example of their reporting from this story. The other point which you seemed to miss was that what they were arguing about is not a matter of semantics, but of CNN's people having no freaking clue about anything ever.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 23, 2014, 09:17:11 AM
Close to 100pct of gun crimes are with handguns anyway.
86% is an incredibly significant statistic. I wouldn't describe it as "close to 100%". I don't see why you felt a need to other than to be disingenuous.
Post by: Tommy on August 23, 2014, 09:22:53 AM
My point was mostly to show how shitty CNN is in general with an example of their reporting from this story. The other point which you seemed to miss was that what they were arguing about it not a matter of semantics, but of CNN's people having no freaking clue about anything ever.
It's not reporting. They don't do that anymore, and haven't for a long time. People can get their news easily through the internet. The networks have resorted to hysteria and bullshit to get viewers. People either watch that crap, or read stupid bloggers on their take on the news. All to avoid actually reading a news story and generating their own opinions. "Please, someone tell me how to think and why I should be outraged."
Gotta tell ya, not being around the US media is pretty awesome.
Post by: Badger on August 23, 2014, 09:23:50 AM
It's not reporting. They don't do that anymore, and haven't for a long time. People can get their news easily through the internet. The networks have resorted to hysteria and bullshit to get viewers. People either watch that crap, or read stupid bloggers on their take on the news. All to avoid actually reading a news story and generating their own opinions. "Please, someone tell me how to think and why I should be outraged."
Gotta tell ya, not being around the US media is pretty awesome.
You could have said that originally instead of "I don't see the problem"
Post by: Tommy on August 23, 2014, 09:24:14 AM
86% is an incredibly significant statistic. I wouldn't describe it as "close to 100%". I don't see why you felt a need to other than to be disingenuous.
I was going off the top of my head, I knew it was really high.
Post by: Tommy on August 23, 2014, 09:25:38 AM
You could have said that originally instead of "I don't see the problem"
Except I didn't actually say that.
Post by: Badger on August 23, 2014, 09:31:23 AM
Except I didn't actually say that.
Semantics
Post by: Coach K on August 23, 2014, 09:54:58 AM
Brilliant insight from a rapper who promotes drugs and violence on the problems of the police epidemic.
You've probably never even heard his music or maybe a few songs in a vacuum
Killer Mike - "Reagan" (Official Music Video): http://youtu.be/6lIqNjC1RKU
Anything else you would like to be wrong about?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 23, 2014, 09:56:56 AM
You've probably never even heard his music or maybe a few songs in a vacuumSo he didn't say in the linked interview that he loved his drugs?
Killer Mike - "Reagan" (Official Music Video): http://youtu.be/6lIqNjC1RKU
Anything else you would like to be wrong about?
Post by: Coach K on August 23, 2014, 09:57:59 AM
Your not even worth talking to about social issues at this point. Return to your sheltered ignorance and enjoy your day
Post by: Coach K on August 23, 2014, 09:58:47 AM
So he didn't say in the linked interview that he loved his drugs?
Oh you mean that he said he supports medical Marijuana and smokes?
Gtfo your a mook.
Post by: Coach K on August 23, 2014, 10:03:36 AM
Shame on me
Thanks to Tommy for watching it. Me and him rarely agree but I appreciate the fact he took the time to watch it with an open mind .
Gonna watch the game on dvr now.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 23, 2014, 10:24:07 AM
Oh you mean that he said he supports medical Marijuana and smokes?Yes druggies often say they support medical marijuana.
Gtfo your a mook.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't have glaucoma or anything
And anyone who pretends that thug life ghetto bundle of sticks culture is good for anything is freaking retarded
Post by: Pope on August 23, 2014, 12:03:15 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on August 23, 2014, 12:59:32 PM
Im pretty sure people dont become police officers so that people will attack them.
Although I have been known to be wrong before
And yet you just keep on breathing...
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 23, 2014, 01:44:36 PM
I'm driving, and again I've lowered myself to dcms standards.
Shame on me
Thanks to Tommy for watching it. Me and him rarely agree but I appreciate the fact he took the time to watch it with an open mind .
Gonna watch the game on dvr now.
Wait...you're driving while posting and somehow watching the game on DVR at the same time?
Post by: guinness77 on August 23, 2014, 01:48:31 PM
Wait...you're driving while posting and somehow watching the game on DVR at the same time?Iggy, don't be a mook.
Post by: guinness77 on August 23, 2014, 01:50:12 PM
Although he has been known to be wrong once or twice before.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 23, 2014, 01:50:53 PM
And anyone who pretends that thug life ghetto bundle of sticks culture is good for anything is freaking retarded
(http://homo-thug.net/uploaded_images/dating-728615.jpg)
Post by: Coach K on August 23, 2014, 02:39:03 PM
Yes druggies often say they support medical marijuana.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't have glaucoma or anything
And anyone who pretends that thug life ghetto bundle of sticks culture is good for anything is freaking retarded
Yet in the video he acknowledges that in the interview if you noticed the tweet they quote him on.
But your stuck on his stage name and the fact he smokes Marijuana.
So being these are the main two reasons your making ignorant assumptions about him, you and I clearly have nothing left to discuss on the matter.
Post by: Coach K on August 23, 2014, 02:40:39 PM
Wait...you're driving while posting and somehow watching the game on DVR at the same time?
Picked up early lunch n was heading home to watch the game , as in I wasn't going to bicker back n forth for that reason.
Post by: Badger on August 23, 2014, 05:02:20 PM
Guys, stop flaunting your privilege.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 23, 2014, 06:23:27 PM
Post by: Badger on August 23, 2014, 06:32:17 PM
http://nypost.com/2014/08/23/three-cheers-for-the-nypd/
I guess all the darkie-killing just kind of blends into some sort of blur for you.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 26, 2014, 09:13:03 AM
Post by: NDMick on August 26, 2014, 10:08:54 AM
Ended up with a big piece of this puzzle.
Post by: Badger on August 26, 2014, 03:29:03 PM
I wonder how much hate mail this guy is getting.
Post by: Badger on August 27, 2014, 03:17:00 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on August 27, 2014, 03:38:12 PM
The FBI has been handed a tape recording of the moment Mike Brown was shot - audio includes 11 rounds being fired and a significant pause between volley of first 7 shots and final 4 shots
And DCM slithers into the shadowy hole he came from.
Post by: Badger on August 27, 2014, 03:43:41 PM
And DCM slithers into the shadowy hole he came from.
I don't see how that changes his stance of "he probably deserved it".
Post by: dcm1602 on August 27, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
And DCM slithers into the shadowy hole he came from.Lol yeah that suddenly means the criminal didn't assault a police officer.
It's highly improbable that anything changes from this, scumbag kid was doing bad things he shouldn't have been doing, and it got him killed.
He didn't deserve to die, but he sure doesn't deserve sympathy either
And the cop ain't going to jail for it either
Post by: NDMick on August 27, 2014, 08:42:09 PM
Lol yeah that suddenly means the criminal didn't assault a police officer.
It's highly improbable that anything changes from this, scumbag kid was doing bad things he shouldn't have been doing, and it got him killed.
He didn't deserve to die, but he sure doesn't deserve sympathy either
And the cop ain't going to jail for it either
Everything in this post is based off of pure conjecture. Good job.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 27, 2014, 08:56:33 PM
Everything in this post is based off of pure conjecture. Good job.
Not everything, some of it though.
Just like most of whats reported in the media, the fuckheads rioting, and most of this thread.
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Lol yeah that suddenly means the criminal didn't assault a police officer.
Conjecture, although theres some evidence to suggest that he struck the officer (thus had a swollen face at the hospital)
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It's highly improbable that anything changes from this, scumbag kid was doing bad things he shouldn't have been doing, and it got him killed.
The first half is mostly conjecture, the 2nd half is based on the fact that the kid was doing things that he shouldnt have been that put him in this situation. Maybe he didn't assault the officer, but he certainly was responsible for the encounter. (walkin in the middle of the road, robbing a store etc)
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He didn't deserve to die, but he sure doesn't deserve sympathy either
This is actually an opinion
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And the cop ain't going to jail for it either
This is actually based on historical data, which suggest that its extremely improbable.
If you want to get technical the overwhelming majority of everything is really conjecture, since people very rarely speak in nothing but factual statements.
Of course thats just conjecture on my part, so take it with a grain of salt
Post by: ons on August 27, 2014, 10:41:09 PM
This is actually based on historical data, which suggest that its extremely improbable.
True that. (http://www.theonion.com/articles/unpopular-police-officer-thinking-about-committing,36790/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default?recirc=area-man)
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Norris added that it would probably also be a nice little boost when the 12 members of his jury take less than an hour to declare him not guilty.
Post by: NDMick on August 28, 2014, 12:26:47 AM
Of course thats just conjecture on my part, so take it with a grain of salt
I'll be happy to do so.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 28, 2014, 10:55:29 AM
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2014, 10:59:33 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 28, 2014, 11:09:24 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 28, 2014, 11:18:34 AM
Alio, apparently we are racists for being more concerned with the militarization of police: http://i.imgur.com/DR4wnM3.png
Oh I was just waiting for that to start. I'm shocked it took this long. (Can't see the image though.)
I support the police, just not the ones that like to blow 8 holes in unarmed people.
100% this.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 28, 2014, 04:02:55 PM
It's funny how the kid who can't defend himself is guilty of crimes he may or may not have committed, but the person who unloaded a clip into him must clearly be justified and should be exonerated.You mean how he's guilty of doing something that he was clearly caught on video doing?
I know right?
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2014, 04:06:35 PM
You mean how he's guilty of doing something that he was clearly caught on video doing?
I know right?
Obviously he's talking about the moments leading up to the shooting.
Post by: Tommy on August 28, 2014, 06:56:03 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 28, 2014, 08:23:49 PM
I love how the entire country seems to know exactly what went down before the shooting. Isn't that the one thing about this case that we definitely don't know?
Well we know he robbed a store, and did something to draw the officer's attention thus being the stimulus for the encounter to occur.
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2014, 08:49:23 PM
Well we know he robbed a store, and did something to draw the officer's attention thus being the stimulus for the encounter to occur.
"He was asking for it"
Post by: bojanglesman on August 28, 2014, 09:44:46 PM
Post by: Tommy on August 28, 2014, 09:47:50 PM
Well we know he robbed a store, and did something to draw the officer's attention thus being the stimulus for the encounter to occur.
Well we know he robbed a store, and did something to draw the officer's attention thus being the stimulus for the encounter to occur.
Do you refuse to believe the possibility exists that maybe the cop fucked up? Not sure if that's the case here because we don't know all the details yet, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 28, 2014, 09:53:18 PM
Do you refuse to believe the possibility exists that maybe the cop fucked up? Not sure if that's the case here because we don't know all the details yet, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Of course he can.
But I dont believe that the cop randomly targeted some innocent kid who was doing nothing wrong. Thats absurd.
The possibility that the cop overreacted is very real, but this thug (Im just trying to be a little agitative) put himself in the situation. He robbed a store, and did something that stimulated/led to his encounter with this police officer.
I do not believe that there is any way that this was an innocent kid who did nothing wrong.
But bad things happen to bad people doing bad things, and had this thug made better decisions in life, hed almost certainly not be some shitty fertilizer right now.
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2014, 09:55:05 PM
Of course he can.
But I dont believe that the cop randomly targeted some innocent kid who was doing nothing wrong. Thats absurd.
The possibility that the cop overreacted is very real, but this thug (Im just trying to be a little agitative) put himself in the situation. He robbed a store, and did something that stimulated/led to his encounter with this police officer.
I do not believe that there is any way that this was an innocent kid who did nothing wrong.
Its certainly possible that the cop wildly overreached and used unnecessary force. But bad things happen to bad people doing bad things, and had this thug made better decisions in life, hed almost certainly not be some shitty fertilizer right now.
You are not disagreeing with anyone here. The "he din do nuffin" crowd isn't worth responding to.
Post by: ons on August 29, 2014, 09:04:41 AM
But I dont believe that the cop randomly targeted some innocent kid who was doing nothing wrong. Thats absurd.
I have to say, your refusal to acknowledge the facts, that black people (especially younger black men) in this country are routinely stopped more often and more aggressively confronted/searched/questioned by police with little to no provocation, is significantly more absurd than the possibility that this policeman might have initiated the confrontation.
For instance:
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Last year, Ferguson police searched 12.1 percent of black drivers they stopped, compared to 6.9 percent for whites. Contraband was found 22 percent of the time when the driver was black and 34 percent when the driver was white.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-stops-in-ferguson-what-are-the-numbers/article_012cf751-9cec-5733-8025-09e03abb9d86.html
Post by: dcm1602 on August 29, 2014, 09:07:58 AM
I have to say, your refusal to acknowledge the facts, that black people (especially younger black men) in this country are routinely stopped more often and more aggressively confronted/searched/questioned by police with little to no provocation, is significantly more absurd than the possibility that this policeman might have initiated the confrontation.Yes and those drivers that were stopped.
For instance:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-stops-in-ferguson-what-are-the-numbers/article_012cf751-9cec-5733-8025-09e03abb9d86.html
We're they stopped for no reason?
Or were they stopped for say speeding or wreckless driving?
I'm not saying that there aren't racial issues in law enforcement, just that this doesn't sound like a case of an officer harassing an innocent kid for no reason
Post by: Badger on August 29, 2014, 09:19:44 AM
We're they stopped for no reason?
Or were they stopped for say speeding or wreckless driving?
lol
Post by: ons on August 29, 2014, 09:21:24 AM
We're they stopped for no reason?
Yeah, black people are just SO much worse at driving than other minorities, especially Asians:
http://ago.mo.gov/VehicleStops/2013/
500 thousand black people in Missouri, almost 300 thousand black people are stopped for driving.
80 thousand Asians, less than 15 thousand being pulled over.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 29, 2014, 09:23:24 AM
lolSpelling is hard alright!
Post by: Badger on August 29, 2014, 09:24:56 AM
Yeah, black people are just SO much worse at driving than other minorities, especially Asians:
http://ago.mo.gov/VehicleStops/2013/
500 thousand black people in Missouri, almost 300 thousand black people are stopped for driving.
80 thousand Asians, less than 15 thousand being pulled over.
Nothing scarier than a tiny Asian woman in an SUV.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 29, 2014, 09:25:44 AM
Yeah, black people are just SO much worse at driving than other minorities, especially Asians:Does it say how many people were pulled over for doing nothing wrong?
http://ago.mo.gov/VehicleStops/2013/
500 thousand black people in Missouri, almost 300 thousand black people are stopped for driving.
80 thousand Asians, less than 15 thousand being pulled over.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 29, 2014, 09:31:29 AM
Does it say how many people were pulled over for doing nothing wrong?
frrrrrrrt
Post by: guinness77 on August 29, 2014, 09:33:25 AM
Post by: ons on August 29, 2014, 09:43:30 AM
Is it proven he robbed that gas station? I haven't seen anything about it.
Well no employee from the gas station ever called the cops, but there is video tape showing him shoving an employee after dropping things all over the floor and then halfheartedly putting them back on the counter.
So yes, pretty much proven that he's a violent thief.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 29, 2014, 09:46:02 AM
No?
Oh OK
But the cops still a scumbag racist murder who killed him because he's black.
I forgot everything only goes one way
Post by: ons on August 29, 2014, 09:47:44 AM
Does it say how many people were pulled over for doing nothing wrong?
No, but blacks and hispanics are arrested at almost double the rate of white people despite having illegal contraband on them significantly less often.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 29, 2014, 09:49:43 AM
No, but blacks and hispanics are arrested at almost double the rate of white people despite having illegal contraband on them significantly less often.And you don't think socioeconomics plays at least a substantial role in that?
Post by: ons on August 29, 2014, 09:53:35 AM
Is there proof a cop violently murdered him because he's a racist?
There's no proof about almost anything that happened before or during the shooting, which is why making any definitive conclusion about that specific incident is dumb.
Definitive conclusions like: cops would "never" stop a black person without provocation and it would be "absurd" for a cop to confront an innocent young black man.
Post by: ons on August 29, 2014, 09:55:42 AM
And you don't think socioeconomics plays at least a substantial role in that?
What, blacks and hispanics are too poor to afford all the fancy derriere illegal contraband that white people are driving around with?
Post by: Jumbo on August 29, 2014, 10:10:12 AM
No, but blacks and hispanics are arrested at almost double the rate of white people despite having illegal contraband on them significantly less often.
Do you have a source on that? You brought it up for Ferguson but I don't know if that holds true for the entire US
Post by: dcm1602 on August 29, 2014, 10:10:47 AM
What, blacks and hispanics are too poor to afford all the fancy derriere illegal contraband that white people are driving around with?I was referring to how frequently people get arrested
Post by: ons on August 29, 2014, 10:23:39 AM
Do you have a source on that? You brought it up for Ferguson but I don't know if that holds true for the entire US
My bad, should've clarified it was for Missouri, and only in traffic stop incidents:
http://ago.mo.gov/VehicleStops/2013/
All traffic stop statitics:
White people in the state: 3,914,998. White people got pulled over 1,330,720 times. They were searched 5.46% of the time. Had illegal contraband in 26.31% of all searches. Were arrested in 4.2% of traffic stops.
Black people in the state: 515,828. Black people got pulled over 290,941 times. They were searched 10.31% of the time. Had illegal contraband in 18.85% of all searches. Were arrested in 7.72% of traffic stops.
Black people in Missouri are pulled over more frequently than white people, searched twice as often, found to have illegal contraband significantly less often, and arrested at almost twice the rate.
Post by: Jumbo on August 29, 2014, 10:31:34 AM
My bad, should've clarified it was for Missouri, and only in traffic stop incidents:
http://ago.mo.gov/VehicleStops/2013/
All traffic stop statitics:
White people in the state: 3,914,998. White people got pulled over 1,330,720 times. They were searched 5.46% of the time. Had illegal contraband in 26.31% of all searches. Were arrested in 4.2% of traffic stops.
Black people in the state: 515,828. Black people got pulled over 290,941 times. They were searched 10.31% of the time. Had illegal contraband in 18.85% of all searches. Were arrested in 7.72% of traffic stops.
Black people in Missouri are pulled over more frequently than white people, searched twice as often, found to have illegal contraband significantly less often, and arrested at almost twice the rate.
Interesting. Thanks for the source.
Depends on how you interpret the data though - you could say that the proportion of black drivers who were pulled over had contraband more often since they were searched twice as often and of those who were searched 18% had contraband compared to the 26% of white people. Obviously that's due to inaccurate profiling from the police, but still depends on your interpretation of it.
Post by: Tommy on August 29, 2014, 10:32:18 AM
No, but blacks and hispanics are arrested at almost double the rate of white people despite having illegal contraband on them significantly less often.
Maybe because they statistically commit more crimes than whites and Asians?
Post by: IATA on August 29, 2014, 12:03:58 PM
Post by: Badger on September 25, 2014, 12:15:18 PM
http://www.wistv.com/story/26621563/dash-cam-video-released-in-trooper-involved-shooting
Damn cameras making it impossible for cops to do their job.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 25, 2014, 12:32:20 PM
Post by: Badger on September 25, 2014, 12:38:42 PM
Is that cop nuts? Lol there was nothing threatening going on there, not even by accident. In fact that entire sequence makes no sense. That cop should be in jail.
He has been fired and is facing charges.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 25, 2014, 12:47:34 PM
He has been fired and is facing charges.
I am still sitting back in amazement in how a cop could do that. Good the guy needs to be in white and black stripes, how the freak did someone that incompetent/crazy get the job in the first place.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 25, 2014, 02:26:37 PM
For dcmWhat's that got to do with me?
http://www.wistv.com/story/26621563/dash-cam-video-released-in-trooper-involved-shooting
Damn cameras making it impossible for cops to do their job.
If the guy he shot was a rapist or some other kind of legitimate scumbag I wouldn't give a freak (even though the cop was clearly wrong)
In this case the cop is clearly wrong. Not much else to it
Post by: Badger on September 25, 2014, 02:34:57 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 25, 2014, 03:35:39 PM
You were against cops having cameras because it could only help criminals.I don't think the camera is the reason why the cop got arrested.
Wouldn't be too hard to prove that an innocent unarmed man didn't deserve to be shot by a cop for no reason
Regardless I belive camera's would help far more criminals than innocent people
Post by: Badger on September 25, 2014, 03:37:42 PM
I don't think the camera is the reason why the cop got arrested.
Wouldn't be too hard to prove that an innocent unarmed man didn't deserve to be shot by a cop for no reason
The cop's version of events was completely shat upon by the video.
Post by: Coach K on September 25, 2014, 11:12:12 PM
I don't think the camera is the reason why the cop got arrested.
Wouldn't be too hard to prove that an innocent unarmed man didn't deserve to be shot by a cop for no reason
Regardless I belive camera's would help far more criminals than innocent people
You do realize it would stop people from filing false brutality reports while making cops more accountable for their actions?
How this is not perceived as a win win is astonishing.
How would it help criminals? Are they sent footage and editing software to make a Mixtape of daring escapes?
Post by: Badger on September 25, 2014, 11:22:10 PM
You do realize it would stop people from filing false brutality reports while making cops more accountable for their actions?
How this is not perceived as a win win is astonishing.
How would it help criminals? Are they sent footage and editing software to make a Mixtape of daring escapes?
Because in dcmworld a cop is going to mispronounce a word during the Miranda rights and a serial killer will go free.
Post by: NDMick on September 25, 2014, 11:58:19 PM
Regardless I belive camera's would help far more criminals than innocent people
Good thing the truth will never get in the way of this belief. Godspeed, son.
Check the facts YungFuneral.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 27, 2014, 10:20:01 PM
http://www.kmov.com/news/just-posted/Authorities-Shots-fired-at-Ferguson-police-officer-277346131.html
Post by: IATA on November 06, 2014, 11:37:11 AM
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The county autopsy report on Michael Brown largely corroborates the account of the shooting given by Ferguson, Mo., Police Officer Darren Wilson. Two independent doctors reviewed the report from St. Louis County for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, KTVI reported.http://conservativetribune.com/new-autopsy-michael-brown/ (i know this is a skewed source)
According to the report, the first shot fired from Wilson’s gun was at close range and hit Brown’s right thumb, adding weight to Wilson’s testimony that the two struggled for the gun in Wilson’s police cruiser. Previous reports confirmed that Brown’s blood was found on Wilson’s gun and uniform, as well as inside the car.
The wound on Brown’s thumb contained “microscopic matter from the barrel” of the officer’s pistol, according to the report.
Wilson’s other five shots hit Brown from the front, contradicting some witness reports that Brown had been running away from the officer when he was shot. The angle of the wound to Brown’s forehead indicated that he was either falling or lunging forward when the bullet hit him.
Perhaps most importantly, the autopsy report indicated that Brown did not have his hands in the air when Officer Wilson shot him.
In addition, the county toxicology report on Brown was positive for marijuana.
Results on an autopsy performed by federal officials have not been released.
As the information coming out of the grand jury investigation seems increasingly to support Officer Wilson’s version of the events of that day, it remains to be seen how the protesters in Ferguson and St. Louis, many of whom are from elsewhere, will respond to the news.
Post by: Badger on November 07, 2014, 09:17:52 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 07, 2014, 09:29:01 AM
freaking racist white people killing innocent people and then falsifying evidence
But in all seriousness I want to point out that fucked up excrement like this just makes more racism. Ignorance from stupid people and assholes in the media
There will now be a ton of black people who hate whites more because of this incidence, and white people who blacks more because of all the nonsense from the media and rioters, and people immediately siding with blacks as the victim's in case while condemning whites as racist and oppressors.
Everyone in America loses here, and the country is worse off for it.
Post by: Pope on November 24, 2014, 06:56:11 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 24, 2014, 07:32:43 PM
I hope yall ready for the race war
Race war? What channel? Glad I live in the burbs nowhere near that excrement.
Better than watching the Jets prrrrt.
Post by: Tommy on November 24, 2014, 09:08:12 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on November 24, 2014, 09:16:00 PM
I keep waiting for Cartman to break in with "RACE WAAAAAAAAWR!!!"
Post by: Tommy on November 24, 2014, 09:17:43 PM
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Post by: IATA on November 24, 2014, 09:31:39 PM
Post by: IATA on November 25, 2014, 01:53:06 AM
Post by: Tommy on November 25, 2014, 02:40:01 AM
Haha, I was going to continue, but decided it ain't worth my time to argue with a bunch of young retarded girls. Especially fat ones.
Post by: ons on November 25, 2014, 06:31:57 AM
Post by: Tommy on November 25, 2014, 06:47:05 AM
I can't believe how many people on facebook etc. actually believed that he was going to be indicted.
I actually wish the case went to trial so the prosecution would've gotten destroyed. What these protestors don't understand is that there was never a case. The witnesses were contradicting themselves, and forensic evidence supported the cop's story. People are just mad that events that were made up by bullshit rumors didn't send an innocent cop to jail.
Post by: Badger on November 25, 2014, 08:10:57 AM
Post by: Tommy on November 25, 2014, 08:26:47 AM
http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/media-under-fire-a-supercut-of-bad-things-happening-to-1663058474
Haha. Nice.
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 25, 2014, 08:40:12 AM
I actually wish the case went to trial so the prosecution would've gotten destroyed. What these protestors don't understand is that there was never a case. The witnesses were contradicting themselves, and forensic evidence supported the cop's story. People are just mad that events that were made up by bullshit rumors didn't send an innocent cop to jail.
Uh, no. A trial would have been so much worse. Rip the freaking bandaid off and get this excrement over with. People were going to riot no matter what. A trial just would have prolonged things. It wouldn't have changed anyone's mind.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 25, 2014, 09:04:18 AM
Uh, no. A trial would have been so much worse. Rip the freaking bandaid off and get this excrement over with. People were going to riot no matter what. A trial just would have prolonged things. It wouldn't have changed anyone's mind.
I was just about to type something similar......^this times a million!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 25, 2014, 09:23:27 AM
Riot!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 25, 2014, 11:27:31 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 25, 2014, 11:39:47 AM
Post by: Tommy on November 25, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ferguson-wasnt-black-rage-against-copsit-was-white-rage-against-progress/2014/08/29/3055e3f4-2d75-11e4-bb9b-997ae96fad33_story.html
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Post by: Heismanberg on November 25, 2014, 12:06:31 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 25, 2014, 12:44:17 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 25, 2014, 12:45:55 PM
Why not protest in Chicago where blacks are killing blacks on a nightly basis?? excrement is maddening...
Post by: Tommy on November 25, 2014, 12:52:49 PM
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Post by: IATA on November 25, 2014, 12:53:59 PM
There should also be an * on every one of those "black lives matter" signs that says "...only when it's taken by a white person".
Why not protest in Chicago where blacks are killing blacks on a nightly basis?? excrement is maddening...
You can't fire me, i quit!
Post by: IATA on November 25, 2014, 01:13:51 PM
Pretty interesting. While I'm sure it's been rehearsed 100 times, it doesn't come off as such.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 25, 2014, 02:23:02 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 25, 2014, 02:25:21 PM
Friend of mine posted a link to a press release from the National Bar Association stating that they are severely disappointed and will push for federal charges. Apparently he thought it was some organization of all attorneys and not a predominantly African American legal society.
Mm Nvm
Post by: IATA on November 25, 2014, 02:25:38 PM
Post by: NDMick on November 25, 2014, 02:55:04 PM
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Well, is it?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 25, 2014, 03:41:08 PM
I mean, the acronym itself should have given it away
Yes, thank you. I avoided the easy joke so someone else could jump on it.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 25, 2014, 03:42:58 PM
Post by: Tommy on November 25, 2014, 08:12:27 PM
I can't decide what's worse: the people who think this is a sign of racial injustice or the people who think the protest is a sign that there's really no such thing as racial injustice.
I don't think the protest is a sign that it doesn't exist. But it certainly reaffirms a lot of the negative stereotypes towards them. Seriously though, in recent history they've used the cases of two dudes who tried to beat up armed men and got shot as signs of the system failing them? Protesting and overreacting is having the opposite effect.
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Post by: dcm1602 on November 25, 2014, 08:27:58 PM
I can't decide what's worse: the people who think this is a sign of racial injustice or the people who think the protest is a sign that there's really no such thing as racial injustice.I think the protesting is a sign that racial harmony has an extremely long way to go.
Anytime any person plays the victim card so absurdly and irrationally, you know there's some major deep rooted issues (whether appropriate or not)
Really is sad to see all this excrement happening, it's like the oj Simpson trial all over again, an absolute disaster for race relations.
Makes whites look more negatively on blacks, and blacks on whites.
Everyone loses here
Post by: Tommy on November 25, 2014, 08:46:24 PM
I think the protesting is a sign that racial harmony has an extremely long way to go.
Anytime any person plays the victim card so absurdly and irrationally, you know there's some major deep rooted issues (whether appropriate or not)
Really is sad to see all this excrement happening, it's like the oj Simpson trial all over again, an absolute disaster for race relations.
Makes whites look more negatively on blacks, and blacks on whites.
Everyone loses here
Well it's clear they don't trust the legal system one bit. White cop shoots guy because he's black. White cop gets off Scott free because he's white.
This is how they view things. It's completely uninformed and backwards. The problem is that white bleeding hearts are throwing their white guilt into high gear and fanning the flames.
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 25, 2014, 08:52:05 PM
Well it's clear they don't trust the legal system one bit. White cop shoots guy because he's black. White cop gets off Scott free because he's white.
This is how they view things. It's completely uninformed and backwards. The problem is that white bleeding hearts are throwing their white guilt into high gear and fanning the flames.
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They they they. Keep lumping all black people together with one breath and telling everyone you're not racist with the other.
Post by: Tommy on November 25, 2014, 09:07:34 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on November 25, 2014, 09:19:03 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 25, 2014, 09:19:31 PM
And it Doesn't help when these fuckwads start protesting. The occupy crowd dusting off their boots and joining the fun in NY.
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Ive always wondered how pathetic and worthless of a human being you really need to be to protest something, especially something so irrational and irrelevant.
How did people ever think that jumping up and down and crying like a 3 year old with a freaking sign is the best way to get what they want.
Im not talking just about the people pictured here, but pretty much every protester .
Post by: dcm1602 on November 25, 2014, 09:22:03 PM
They they they. Keep lumping all black people together with one breath and telling everyone you're not racist with the other.
Well if you look at who is stomping their feet and crying the loudest, it is black leadership.
After all a shooting occurred in bumblefuck nowhere, yet Al Sharpton is out there making a race-card dream team of misfit convicts and their followers. Im surprised he didnt recruit OJ now that I think of it
Post by: bojanglesman on November 25, 2014, 09:35:36 PM
Ive always wondered how pathetic and worthless of a human being you really need to be to protest something, especially something so irrational and irrelevant.Protesting got you a lot of what you have today. I'm not saying that protesting every fart in the wind is good, but well thought out protests can make a difference.
How did people ever think that jumping up and down and crying like a 3 year old with a freaking sign is the best way to get what they want.
Im not talking just about the people pictured here, but pretty much every protester .
Also Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are pieces of excrement.
Post by: Johnny English on November 25, 2014, 09:37:03 PM
And it Doesn't help when these fuckwads start protesting. The occupy crowd dusting off their boots and joining the fun in NY.
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What a bunch of race traitors they all look to be. It's like they're not even in Team White. freak those dreadlocked over-privileged trustafarians.
Post by: Tommy on November 25, 2014, 11:06:35 PM
What a bunch of race traitors they all look to be. It's like they're not even in Team White. freak those dreadlocked over-privileged trustafarians.
They're the far left anti-establishment lunatics who are adding fuel to the fire. Forget facts and logic, let's use this as an opportunity to push our wacky anarchist agenda. They're drowning out the rational people who look at this case at face value. I'm sure few people would argue that changes should be made, especially chest cameras or whatever, but calling out all police and the establishment as being inherently racist and untrustworthy is just making the situation worse.
The facts have been buried. No one cares. Their minds have been made up months ago. The narrative is "black kids aren't safe in this country from the White man". How in the freak is that constructive? Putting up signs that say "black lives matter", or "it isn't illegal to be black", etc, all you're doing is perpetuating the bullshit that has been said from the very beginning.
The whole situation is fucked and it's being made worse my uninformed assholes.
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Post by: Pope on November 25, 2014, 11:06:59 PM
Post by: Badger on November 25, 2014, 11:07:54 PM
I spent the majority of my day in Harlem today. Won't lie.. was a bit on edge. Would like to see these dipshits protest in the South Bronx or East NY
"You a cop?"
Post by: Pope on November 25, 2014, 11:16:16 PM
"You a cop?"I picked a bad day to wear my D'Brickashaw jersey
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 25, 2014, 11:19:36 PM
Well if you look at who is stomping their feet and crying the loudest, it is black leadership.
After all a shooting occurred in bumblefuck nowhere, yet Al Sharpton is out there making a race-card dream team of misfit convicts and their followers. Im surprised he didnt recruit OJ now that I think of it
My sister's husband is black. My brother's wife is black. My nieces and nephews and my extended family, black. Friends, black. Classmates, black. I have yet to encounter a single black person who considers Al Sharpton a leader. He's vocal. He has something of a following. He does not speak for an entire race, even if it's one that Tommy likes to consider one uninformed solid. The two of you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Stop confusing a bunch of people who are foolishly using this decision to protest real concerns here with an entire race of people.
Post by: Tommy on November 26, 2014, 02:15:18 AM
The world media have already labeled this as a cop killing a teen just because he's black. Fantastic.
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Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2014, 04:56:24 AM
My sister's husband is black. My brother's wife is black. My nieces and nephews and my extended family, black. Friends, black. Classmates, black. I have yet to encounter a single black person who considers Al Sharpton a leader. He's vocal. He has something of a following. He does not speak for an entire race, even if it's one that Tommy likes to consider one uninformed solid. The two of you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Stop confusing a bunch of people who are foolishly using this decision to protest real concerns here with an entire race of people.I didn't say sharpton is the official sponsor of blacks.
I said turn on a TV and you'll see his ignorant derriere with his army of zealots
Post by: Tommy on November 26, 2014, 05:16:54 AM
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Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2014, 08:40:37 AM
wait are they really trying to compare this to the violence in the Gaza StripThat's absurd
The people in the strip aren't nearly as bad
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 26, 2014, 09:07:15 AM
I didn't say sharpton is the official sponsor of blacks.
I said turn on a TV and you'll see his ignorant derriere with his army of zealots
You called him a black leader. He's a whole lot louder than he is truly influential.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 26, 2014, 09:12:41 AM
Sharpton and Jackson are instigators. A relic of a time that no longer exists, but they're desperately clinging to relevancy by any means possible, and that largely includes instigating any race-related issue and beating it to death, and proclaiming themselves a voice for the "oppressed".
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Oh man, is there anything else obvious that you'd like to share? I love it when people try to use Jackson and Sharpton to malign the black community as a whole. They are the embodiment of hyperbole, and people like you love them because they let you justify your racial hatred and your stereotypes. They let you dismiss real race problems because they take them so far over the top.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 26, 2014, 09:16:09 AM
Post by: NDMick on November 26, 2014, 09:45:31 AM
Ive always wondered how pathetic and worthless of a human being you really need to be to protest something
Wow. You really don't know anything about the world.
And before you think I'm talking about ferguson, nope. I'm talking about the words quoted above.
Post by: Tommy on November 26, 2014, 09:56:48 AM
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/26/us/ferguson-grand-jury-weighed-mass-of-evidence-much-of-it-conflicting.html?_r=0&referrer=
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Post by: Miamipuck on November 26, 2014, 10:02:27 AM
Oh man, is there anything else obvious that you'd like to share? I love it when people try to use Jackson and Sharpton to malign the black community as a whole. They are the embodiment of hyperbole, and people like you love them because they let you justify your racial hatred and your stereotypes. They let you dismiss real race problems because they take them so far over the top.
The real problem is that whenever a problem involving race comes about it's these 2 douchebags throwing gasoline on the fire. If they were truly inspirational leaders, they're not, they would be looking for solutions. However, they make their money, which is all they're really about, sowing the seeds of discord.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2014, 11:48:35 AM
You called him a black leader. He's a whole lot louder than he is truly influential.He is a black leader.
If you asked people to name the the top 3 black leaders, I almost guarantee his name would be right up top with maybe Obama
Post by: Johnny English on November 26, 2014, 12:09:19 PM
He is a black leader.
If you asked people to name the the top 3 black leaders, I almost guarantee his name would be right up top with maybe Obama
Are you talking about leaders of the black community, or leaders who are black? Because one of those things is not like the other thing, and you or anyone else mixing the two together is at the very least ignorant.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2014, 12:18:55 PM
Are you talking about leaders of the black community, or leaders who are black? Because one of those things is not like the other thing, and you or anyone else mixing the two together is at the very least ignorant.Both
I got this list from the naacp of the top 100 influential black leaders of all time . Jesse Jackson was in the freaking top 25 with people like MLK and a bunch of those people involved with anti slavery movement.
Call it what you want but Jackson and Sharpton are huge influential leaders in the black community.
That doesn't mean that every black person worships or even agrees with them. But to deny that those guys are leaders in that community is freaking retarded
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 26, 2014, 12:27:08 PM
Both
I got this list from the naacp of the top 100 influential black leaders of all time . Jesse Jackson was in the freaking top 25 with people like MLK and a bunch of those people involved with anti slavery movement.
Call it what you want but Jackson and Sharpton are huge influential leaders in the black community.
That doesn't mean that every black person worships or even agrees with them. But to deny that those guys are leaders in that community is freaking retarded
Jesse Jackson today is not Jesse Jackson of 30+ years ago. I guarantee his placement on that list isn't based on him today.
Who would you say are leaders of the white community?
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2014, 01:14:59 PM
Jesse Jackson today is not Jesse Jackson of 30+ years ago. I guarantee his placement on that list isn't based on him today.
Who would you say are leaders of the white community?
Bill Cosby
Post by: Pope on November 26, 2014, 01:41:05 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2014, 02:11:47 PM
Jesse Jackson today is not Jesse Jackson of 30+ years ago. I guarantee his placement on that list isn't based on him today.I don't think the white community is really comparable to the black. Simply because white people don't identify with each as other as much as other races.
Who would you say are leaders of the white community?
When have you ever heard a white person say I'm a Caucasian American, or talk about "their people".
It's not to say better or worse but it's not the same
Post by: Johnny English on November 26, 2014, 02:22:30 PM
I don't think the white community is really comparable to the black. Simply because white people don't identify with each as other as much as other races.
When have you ever heard a white person say I'm a Caucasian American, or talk about "their people".
It's not to say better or worse but it's not the same
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Post by: bojanglesman on November 26, 2014, 07:20:17 PM
Post by: NDMick on November 27, 2014, 12:56:51 PM
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I see Germans and Italians
Krouts and Guinneys are also whites who talk about their people.
Post by: Badger on November 27, 2014, 09:14:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 27, 2014, 10:11:43 PM
Post by: Badger on November 27, 2014, 11:24:32 PM
No-one dressed like that on St Patrick's Day is actually Irish. Actual Irish people are hiding away in pubs and shebeens far away from the plastic paddies.
I just meant of Irish descent. I'm sure they're not actually from Ireland.
Post by: NDMick on November 28, 2014, 12:15:11 AM
I just meant of Irish descent. I'm sure they're not actually from Ireland.
Right. The other two are either German or Italian. That's okay, the parade and nonsense are for everyone to enjoy. However, I'd rather spend the day as an excuse to bring those I enjoy drinking with together for a day of fun rather than shoving a nationality up everyone's derriere. Dcm will now take this paragraph and run with it, thinking that all blacks do exactly this all the time, because he has extensive experience with "the coloreds"
Post by: Pope on November 28, 2014, 08:20:44 AM
Post by: guinness77 on November 28, 2014, 08:56:05 AM
I just meant of Irish descent. I'm sure they're not actually from Ireland.Any decent Irish person doesn't wear that excrement. Period.
Post by: Badger on November 28, 2014, 01:26:41 PM
Pretty objective summary.
Post by: Tommy on November 28, 2014, 10:24:19 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-missouri-town-under-siege-after-police-shooting.html?_r=1
Pretty objective summary.
Stuff like this doesn't get widespread coverage unfortunately. If you want to generate ratings, you have to bring in experts on race relations to tell viewers why racism still exists in America, and why it's the biggest threat to black peoples' lives.
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Post by: Badger on November 28, 2014, 11:52:26 PM
That said, people have picked a terrible example and made it the face of the movement. As more evidence came to light, the goalposts kept moving. He was gunned down for being black! OK, he robbed a store but he didn't deserve to die! OK, he attacked the cop, but he surrendered and didn't deserve to die! OK, so he didn't surrender, but still! Yet somehow Michael Brown becomes a martyr, Tamir Rice is barely a footnote, and both extreme ends of the spectrum continue to embarrass themselves and never realize it. The movement is toxic and isn't going anywhere as long as Ferguson is in the spotlight. Michael Brown is not a saint and Darren Wilson is not a hero.
Try to raise the other legitimate issue of the militarization of local police forces and you get accused of trying to sweep the real issue under the rug.
Post by: ons on November 29, 2014, 12:21:13 AM
Ive always wondered how pathetic and worthless of a human being you really need to be to protest something
lol, wtf
Post by: ons on November 29, 2014, 12:22:09 AM
When have you ever heard a white person say I'm a Caucasian American, or talk about "their people".
In Europe (well, not the American part).
Post by: Fenwyr on November 29, 2014, 03:15:49 PM
There's an undeniable lack of accountability when it comes to police officers opening fire on (or any general manner of killing) civilians in this country, and something does need to be done about it.
That said, people have picked a terrible example and made it the face of the movement. As more evidence came to light, the goalposts kept moving. He was gunned down for being black! OK, he robbed a store but he didn't deserve to die! OK, he attacked the cop, but he surrendered and didn't deserve to die! OK, so he didn't surrender, but still! Yet somehow Michael Brown becomes a martyr, Tamir Rice is barely a footnote, and both extreme ends of the spectrum continue to embarrass themselves and never realize it. The movement is toxic and isn't going anywhere as long as Ferguson is in the spotlight. Michael Brown is not a saint and Darren Wilson is not a hero.
Try to raise the other legitimate issue of the militarization of local police forces and you get accused of trying to sweep the real issue under the rug.
This was awesome Badge.
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 30, 2014, 01:00:18 PM
Ive always wondered how pathetic and worthless of a human being you really need to be to protest something, especially something so irrational and irrelevant.
How did people ever think that jumping up and down and crying like a 3 year old with a freaking sign is the best way to get what they want.
Im not talking just about the people pictured here, but pretty much every protester .
You realize that if people like you actually got what you wanted this country would still be British colonies right? Protesting is the only way anyone born outside of their cultures royalty has ever gotten anything without killing the royalty.
You are truly a stupid freaking person.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 30, 2014, 01:02:58 PM
You realize that if people like you actually got what you wanted this country would still be British colonies right? Protesting is the only way anyone born outside of their cultures royalty has ever gotten anything.Protesters today are far different than protesters of long ago
You are truly a stupid freaking person.
Savages burning, attacking, and pillaging because some derelict vote killed while assaulting a police officer is freaking retarded.
Especially all these white kids in their 20s who probably have never even seen a black person (im exaggerating) protesting these great injustices.
It's pathetic and stupid
Post by: Johnny English on November 30, 2014, 01:17:04 PM
Especially all these white kids in their 20s who probably have never even seen a black person (im exaggerating) protesting these great injustices.
The irony of this statement is staggering.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 30, 2014, 01:18:02 PM
The irony of this statement is staggering.I'm a jet fan, I see them at least 20 times a year
More if we make the playoffs
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2014, 11:22:03 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/giuliani-michael-brown-death-never-gone-grand-jury-173800728.html (http://news.yahoo.com/giuliani-michael-brown-death-never-gone-grand-jury-173800728.html)
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 01, 2014, 11:37:58 AM
Lets keep this going:
http://news.yahoo.com/giuliani-michael-brown-death-never-gone-grand-jury-173800728.html (http://news.yahoo.com/giuliani-michael-brown-death-never-gone-grand-jury-173800728.html)
He's absolutely right on the first point.
The second one is way more complicated than he makes it out to be, but using the police as a sole scapegoat certainly isn't going to solve the problem.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2014, 11:47:14 AM
He's absolutely right on the first point.
The second one is way more complicated than he makes it out to be, but using the police as a sole scapegoat certainly isn't going to solve the problem.
He is on that point. I just wish the info got out in the beginning. It may have quashed some of the unrest. Even if it was a minimal amount it still would have been a good idea. I can't state any stronger how poorly the Ferguson PD and the AG has handled this case from start to finish from both a public relations and operational point of view.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2014, 11:51:04 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/why-charles-barkley-supports-ferguson-grand-jury-decision-163736319.html (http://news.yahoo.com/why-charles-barkley-supports-ferguson-grand-jury-decision-163736319.html)
Post by: Fenwyr on December 01, 2014, 06:17:28 PM
You realize that if people like you actually got what you wanted this country would still be British colonies right? Protesting is the only way anyone born outside of their cultures royalty has ever gotten anything without killing the royalty.
You are truly a stupid freaking person.
Sometimes I think he must be a troll.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 01, 2014, 07:02:44 PM
Players get fined absurds amount of money for dunking a ball through the goalpost
But this is ok ?
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/1/7313815/rams-players-ferguson-hands-up-police-discipline
Post by: Badger on December 01, 2014, 07:10:36 PM
And if you do give a excrement, do you know what kind of PR nightmare it would be if the NFL or the Rams punished them for that?
Post by: Johnny English on December 01, 2014, 07:12:46 PM
Who gives a excrement?
And if you do give a excrement, do you know what kind of PR nightmare it would be if the NFL or the Rams punished them for that?
That's not the point. You should know by now that darkies are there purely for dcm's entertainment, not to actually have a view. They should simply be grateful to be allowed to earn such a handsome living.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 01, 2014, 07:15:35 PM
That's not the point. You should know by now that darkies are there purely for dcm's entertainment, not to actually have a view. They should simply be grateful to be allowed to earn such a handsome living.
Players get fined for wearing freaking headphones, or dunking a football after a touchdown.
its a little inconsistent to say the least about guys supporting a thug, mocking the police department, and cheering on wild criminals and convicts destroying a city
Post by: Badger on December 01, 2014, 07:17:15 PM
Players get fined for wearing freaking headphones, or dunking a football after a touchdown.
its a little inconsistent to say the least about guys supporting a thug, mocking the police department, and cheering on wild criminals and convicts destroying a city
The Ferguson police department isn't a sponsor of the NFL and this didn't happen during the actual game. Neither compare.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 01, 2014, 07:40:38 PM
The Ferguson police department isn't a sponsor of the NFL and this didn't happen during the actual game. Neither compare.
Is the goalpost a sponsor of the NFL ?
I guess only 10s of thousands of people probably saw the pregame thing
Well before it hit national news, and was probably viewed by mere millions
Post by: Badger on December 01, 2014, 08:27:29 PM
Is the goalpost a sponsor of the NFL ?
Are you being retarded on purpose? I addressed that with "didn't happen during the actual game."
Post by: NDMick on December 01, 2014, 11:03:29 PM
How the freak did the entire Ram's team not get suspended for this?
Players get fined absurds amount of money for dunking a ball through the goalpost
But this is ok ?
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/1/7313815/rams-players-ferguson-hands-up-police-discipline
I'M AN ANGRY WHITE MAN!! WHY DIDN'T THE BLACKS GET IN TROUBLE!!1 I HATE BLACK PEOPLE SO MUCH I WANT THE WHOLE TEAM FIRED!!!
N WORD N WORD N WORD AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Post by: Jumbo on December 01, 2014, 11:04:04 PM
I'M AN ANGRY WHITE MAN!! WHY DIDN'T THE BLACKS GET IN TROUBLE!!1 I HATE BLACK PEOPLE SO MUCH I WANT THE WHOLE TEAM FIRED!!!
N WORD N WORD N WORD AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
I think you forgot to log in to your real account dcm
Post by: NDMick on December 01, 2014, 11:05:26 PM
I think you forgot to log in to your real account dcm
Oops. Damn saved logins. You sometimes accidentally hit the wrong one.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2014, 11:45:07 PM
How the freak did the entire Ram's team not get suspended for this?
Players get fined absurds amount of money for dunking a ball through the goalpost
But this is ok ?
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/1/7313815/rams-players-ferguson-hands-up-police-discipline
Lol who cares?
Post by: Badger on December 01, 2014, 11:46:53 PM
Lol who cares?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-RvgR8Jo40
Post by: Miamipuck on December 02, 2014, 12:19:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-RvgR8Jo40
Hahaha
Post by: Cane on December 02, 2014, 04:58:40 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 02, 2014, 11:20:06 AM
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_9f15bf49-c8b7-5bc3-8671-ac291f666084.html#.VHyd408_1Z0.twitter
Post by: Tommy on December 02, 2014, 11:29:03 AM
Also that's a culture bound by blood codes and honour. No doubt there will be revenge attacks.
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Post by: Heismanberg on December 02, 2014, 11:52:55 AM
Some of the most racist people I know are immigrants from the Balkans.
Is that where you're from?
Post by: Miamipuck on December 02, 2014, 11:59:45 AM
Is that where you're from?(http://braindeadradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/han.gif)
Post by: Badger on December 02, 2014, 12:05:11 PM
My friends mom started crying when she found out her daughter was dating a black guy. She said she didn't want grandchildren with big lips.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 02, 2014, 12:07:30 PM
Many of the immigrants I've met (parents of friends) have tended to be pretty racist.
My friends mom started crying when she found out her daughter was dating a black guy. She said she didn't want grandchildren with big lips.
Yeah but who does?
Post by: mj2sexay on December 02, 2014, 01:15:16 PM
I blame a lot of these white bleeding heart super liberals who jump right in with their white guilt and perpetuate the "white people have it out for black people" stereotype.
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I don't think this is that far off when you have people like Tim Wise that have consistently pimped this situation to try and sell more books. Certainly they're fanning the flames. My problem is, that save for a video tape completely corroborating the officers story the narrative was written from the day the story broke. At the same time, its a real shout-out to every cop that ever abused his authority, and to the existing mistrust in our society when it comes to racial issues that people are willing to continue to believe in the story the Brown family has put out there when there's so much evidence to the contrary that they couldn't indict.
You called him a black leader. He's a whole lot louder than he is truly influential.
You can partially thank our current President for helping to give this poopchute any sense of legitimacy. It astounds me that he can be so quick for a photo-op with a known tax cheat and shakedown scammer.
EDIT: Apparently members of the congressional black caucus decided to mimic the "Hands Up Don't Shoot" signal on the House floor. Wow. And people wonder why Tim Scott wants nothing to do with them. While it's easy and factually correct to dismiss Sharpton and Jackson as not being particularly influential or having any sort of stroke as black community leaders and rightfully regarding them as charlatans, it's freaking frightening that Sheila Jackson-Lee is continually re-elected.
There's an undeniable lack of accountability when it comes to police officers opening fire on (or any general manner of killing) civilians in this country, and something does need to be done about it.
That said, people have picked a terrible example and made it the face of the movement. As more evidence came to light, the goalposts kept moving. He was gunned down for being black! OK, he robbed a store but he didn't deserve to die! OK, he attacked the cop, but he surrendered and didn't deserve to die! OK, so he didn't surrender, but still! Yet somehow Michael Brown becomes a martyr, Tamir Rice is barely a footnote, and both extreme ends of the spectrum continue to embarrass themselves and never realize it. The movement is toxic and isn't going anywhere as long as Ferguson is in the spotlight. Michael Brown is not a saint and Darren Wilson is not a hero.
Try to raise the other legitimate issue of the militarization of local police forces and you get accused of trying to sweep the real issue under the rug.
This, especially the bolded. Really well stated. Real issues are being ignored because many choose to continue to focus on race, and the divide as a nation we still have due to the utter mistrust of the other side in black/white relations is so great that it has entered into and completely dominated a situation where it doesn't fit the facts. The fuckers are the people that play on this mistrust for ratings, $$$, attention, etc.
When you consider that "hands up don't shoot" has been refuted, and yet mindless drones that don't have any interest or ability to think for themselves are still parroting this as some sort of mantra...it's infuriating. It's also a pretty big indicator that someone is really stupid when they post another black kid with a wad of 100's in his mouth and a gun in his hand as some sort of character evidence, or when they try and bring up the fact that he tested positive for marijuana. According to some, "ingest one of them fuckin marijuana pills=get shot." Let the facts as best as we can ascertain them speak for themselves. Nothing else should matter.
How the freak did the entire Ram's team not get suspended for this?
Players get fined absurds amount of money for dunking a ball through the goalpost
But this is ok ?
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/1/7313815/rams-players-ferguson-hands-up-police-discipline
Lol. Hi! Welcome to the system of capitalism, where businesses survive and thrive by not fueling the fire on touchy social subjects and alienating portions of their base! The NFL would have to be out of their freaking mind especially with the PR disaster of a year they've had to do anything but hope this goes away.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 02, 2014, 04:04:00 PM
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/12/02/michael-browns-ex-con-stepfather-under-investigation-for-inciting-ferguson-riots/21001737/?icid=maing-grid7%7Caim%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D574195
Post by: NDMick on December 02, 2014, 11:01:19 PM
They might have to burn this mother fucker down
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/12/02/michael-browns-ex-con-stepfather-under-investigation-for-inciting-ferguson-riots/21001737/?icid=maing-grid7%7Caim%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D574195
You'd look a little something like this:
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Post by: Badger on December 02, 2014, 11:36:14 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/12/02/the-saga-of-shawn-parcells-the-uncredited-forensics-expert-in-the-michael-brown-case/
Post by: IATA on December 02, 2014, 11:47:52 PM
i dont think this
Post by: bojanglesman on December 03, 2014, 06:17:52 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 03, 2014, 01:32:00 PM
http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/12/1/7313467/chris-rock-interview (http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/12/1/7313467/chris-rock-interview)
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2014, 08:17:17 AM
freaking retarded excrement heads already protesting, despite the fact that a gun was found at the scene that this scumbag had, and there's (supposedly) time stamped video footage of him pointing the gun at at the officer
There's no hope for race relations in this country
Post by: Badger on December 24, 2014, 08:20:46 AM
There was another police shooting right outside of Ferguson. Black teen shot and killed
freaking retarded excrement heads already protesting, despite the fact that a gun was found at the scene that this scumbag had, and there's (supposedly) time stamped video footage of him pointing the gun at at the officer
There's no hope for race relations in this country
Not until everyone bangs each other until the whole population is light brown. I'm doing my part.
Post by: Badger on December 24, 2014, 09:18:18 AM
There's surveillance footage from the gas station of Martin pointing his gun at the cop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15vqUf6H-po
Post by: bojanglesman on December 24, 2014, 09:21:59 AM
Post by: guinness77 on December 24, 2014, 09:22:58 AM
In case there was any doubt, people are already running with this story.Who was the cop? Ned Nederlander?
There's surveillance footage from the gas station of Martin pointing his gun at the cop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15vqUf6H-po
Post by: Tommy on December 24, 2014, 09:23:16 AM
Post by: guinness77 on December 24, 2014, 09:31:46 AM
Then...the media will turn around and ask "oh why are people rioting?"
I hate commenting on stories like this, and politics, and basically anything else because there's no winning and there's no turning back at this point. In fact it gets worse every year.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 24, 2014, 09:45:40 AM
Post by: Badger on December 24, 2014, 09:51:49 AM
You have to appreciate the American media. Almost every single story points out the fact that the dead is black and the cop is white. And...the majority of stories lead without mentioning the deceased had a weapon and was pointing it at the cop.
Then...the media will turn around and ask "oh why are people rioting?"
I hate commenting on stories like this, and politics, and basically anything else because there's no winning and there's no turning back at this point. In fact it gets worse every year.
On the flip side, a few decades ago an unarmed black teen could get shot and killed by the cops and nobody would hear about it. So while it's good that injustices (if they are indeed injustices) are being exposed, we get a lot of crap lumped in with it. Comes with the territory.
Post by: Badger on December 24, 2014, 09:52:41 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 24, 2014, 10:04:51 AM
At the same time, I'm finding those that have a flagrantly pro-cop agenda (essentially those happy with the non-indictment in the Garner case) going, "phew! Good thing this guy had a gun!" and not understanding the irony in that statement to be annoying as well. This is where your blue wall has gotten you.
Post by: guinness77 on December 24, 2014, 10:13:34 AM
People were still rioting in the '60s without the aid of social media and the 24-hour news cycle.I wasn't talking about that. See, whats the point?
A guy pointed a gun at an officer. What's the point of saying what race they are? The first sentence of the story should tell the truth. A guy pointed a gun at an officer and was killed. Plain and simple. That's not good for American news companies though.
And don't give this 1960's bullshit. That's irrelevant to what's going on now.
Post by: Badger on December 24, 2014, 10:31:33 AM
Post by: guinness77 on December 24, 2014, 10:46:47 AM
I was just responding to "it gets worse every year".It does.
If you wanted to make your comparison to Rodney King id have given you that. Despite his drug usage and checkered past, he got the ever loving excrement kicked out of him, on camera, and that deserved the kind of attention it got.
To compare now to desegregating business and schools and the right to vote: you're basic means to be a somewhat equal citizen in what's supposed to be a democratic country is pretty far off base, IMO.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 25, 2014, 07:35:37 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 25, 2014, 10:48:49 PM
does "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" still apply when you threaten a police officer with a gun?
Did anyone suggest that it does?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 25, 2014, 10:52:41 PM
Did anyone suggest that it does?
the people that are currently protesting Antonio Martin's death seem to think he was murdered for no reason
Post by: Badger on December 25, 2014, 11:46:19 PM
Did anyone suggest that it does?(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/25/bdb47031b0f852bd944a3ea4e5a79a67.jpg)
Post by: Jumbo on December 25, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/25/bdb47031b0f852bd944a3ea4e5a79a67.jpg)
They don't think it be like it is, but it do
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/25/bdb47031b0f852bd944a3ea4e5a79a67.jpg)I almost was convinced that might have been sarcasm or a joke..
Almost
Post by: Badger on December 26, 2014, 03:50:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2014, 05:14:44 PM
This is getting ridiculous. People who I thought knew better are calling it another death of an "unarmed black teen".But the gun wasn't even fully automatic!
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2014, 05:18:56 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/26/eric-garners-daughter-posts-address-cop-at-his-death/
Not gonna lie, race relations are probably the worst that I can recall in my lifetime (Rodney king was before my day)
Post by: Badger on December 26, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
Post by: Tommy on December 26, 2014, 10:22:55 PM
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Post by: Badger on December 27, 2014, 07:54:44 AM
I don't think spike lee gets enough excrement for tweeting zimmerman's address.
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The wrong Zimmerman, mind you.
Post by: Tommy on December 27, 2014, 10:23:44 AM
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2014, 11:22:04 AM
The crazy part about it is that a small part of them is hoping that some mental case does the job. Wouldn't they be somewhat liable if that were to happen?
Maybe the grand jury will find insufficient cause to indict them.
Post by: IATA on December 27, 2014, 12:51:35 PM
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Post by: Pope on December 27, 2014, 01:50:15 PM
Post by: Cane on December 27, 2014, 02:04:28 PM
The crazy part about it is that a small part of them is hoping that some mental case does the job. Wouldn't they be somewhat liable if that were to happen?
They'd probably try for second degree murder. They'd have to prove that she intended for someone to hurt the officer, which could be difficult (note how the lawyer of the family already responded).
Post by: Johnny English on December 27, 2014, 05:12:28 PM
Niggas gonna nig homie
You should probably lay off the Christmas eggnog for a bit, you're obviously not very good at holding it.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 07, 2015, 09:18:02 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/07/us/naacp-office-explosion/index.html
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The FBI is investigating an explosion outside a local NAACP chapter in Colorado.
A makeshift bomb, or improvised explosive device, detonated Tuesday morning but failed to ignite a gasoline can placed alongside it. No one was injured, but the incident left some shaken in Colorado Springs.
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2015, 07:20:49 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 10, 2015, 10:25:22 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 12, 2015, 10:55:25 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officers-reportedly-shot-amid-ferguson-missouri-protests/story?id=29573803&cid=fb_abcn_sf
Post by: hawk on March 12, 2015, 11:02:00 AM
Great idea to help further your cause, dumbass. I'm sure officers are going to think twice about that quick trigger now that you've shot two of their own.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officers-reportedly-shot-amid-ferguson-missouri-protests/story?id=29573803&cid=fb_abcn_sf
WTF..."Acknowledgement 9 Months ago would have kept that from happening."
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2015, 12:45:59 PM
Great idea to help further your cause, dumbass. I'm sure officers are going to think twice about that quick trigger now that you've shot two of their own.I'm sure all the shitfucks down there are protesting that these cops got shot now
http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officers-reportedly-shot-amid-ferguson-missouri-protests/story?id=29573803&cid=fb_abcn_sf
Post by: Tommy on March 12, 2015, 12:47:50 PM
I'm sure all the shitfucks down there are protesting that these cops got shot now
The cops clearly shot themselves to take attention away from how corrupt they are.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 12, 2015, 01:08:01 PM
I'm sure all the shitfucks down there are protesting that these cops got shot now
As long as they're not cheering it, I don't really care what they're doing.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2015, 01:22:01 PM
As long as they're not cheering it, I don't really care what they're doing.Even if they're promoting people to do it?
Like they did with that freaking scumbag who killed the two nypd officers
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2015, 01:22:20 PM
The cops clearly shot themselves to take attention away from how corrupt they are.
I wish I could cast a net wide enough to make sure I hear the first person who sincerely believes that. Because you know someone will.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 12, 2015, 01:33:16 PM
I'm not condoning this act by any means. It's just interesting how stories are cherry picked to comment on.
Post by: NDMick on March 12, 2015, 01:35:15 PM
WTF..."Acknowledgement 9 Months ago would have kept that from happening."
That's a subhuman comment to make right after the shooting took place.
Shaft would have smacked the excrement out of him.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 12, 2015, 01:38:19 PM
Even if they're promoting people to do it?
Like they did with that freaking scumbag who killed the two nypd officers
Promoting people to do it would be cheering it. If they support it, freak them.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2015, 01:40:58 PM
It's kind of amusing, yet completely unsurprising, that this thread got bumped after the cops were shot, but not after the Dept. of Justice found and reported rampant racism throughout the police department to the point where the chief stepped down.I'll concede that I didn't read the report, but I remember headlines saying it was like stupid racist jokes. Ie one officer emailed another how Obama was the first black man to hold a job for 4 years or something stupid like that.
I'm not condoning this act by any means. It's just interesting how stories are cherry picked to comment on.
Was there real excrement of substance in there (ie officers targeting blacks) or was it all just small stupid crap
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2015, 01:41:44 PM
It's kind of amusing, yet completely unsurprising, that this thread got bumped after the cops were shot, but not after the Dept. of Justice found and reported rampant racism throughout the police department to the point where the chief stepped down.
I'm not condoning this act by any means. It's just interesting how stories are cherry picked to comment on.
I don't think anyone here questioned the likelihood of rampant racism in hick Missouri.
Post by: NDMick on March 12, 2015, 01:49:22 PM
It's kind of amusing, yet completely unsurprising, that this thread got bumped after the cops were shot, but not after the Dept. of Justice found and reported rampant racism throughout the police department to the point where the chief stepped down.
I'm not condoning this act by any means. It's just interesting how stories are cherry picked to comment on.
There was no violence with the racist emails. This thread is about the violence in Ferguson. ;D
Post by: NDMick on March 12, 2015, 01:54:18 PM
I'll concede that I didn't read the report, but I remember headlines saying it was like stupid racist jokes. Ie one officer emailed another how Obama was the first black man to hold a job for 4 years or something stupid like that.
Was there real excrement of substance in there (ie officers targeting blacks) or was it all just small stupid crap
It was a little bit more than a joke or two about the president being black and holding a job. Enough for the DOJ to report that the emails reflected and enforced racism.
In terms of substance, that's quite heavy.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2015, 01:55:17 PM
It was a little bit more than a joke or two about the president being black and holding a job. Enough for the DOJ to report that the emails reflected and enforced racism.This is the same doj that immediately sided with Michael Brown from the getgo right?
In terms of substance, that's quite heavy.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 12, 2015, 02:01:29 PM
I'll concede that I didn't read the report, but I remember headlines saying it was like stupid racist jokes. Ie one officer emailed another how Obama was the first black man to hold a job for 4 years or something stupid like that.
Was there real excrement of substance in there (ie officers targeting blacks) or was it all just small stupid crap
From the DoJ report:
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“Data collected by the Ferguson Police Department from 2012 to 2014 shows African Americans account for 85 percent of vehicle stops, 90 percent of citations, and 93 percent of arrests made by FPD officers, despite comprising only 67 percent of Ferguson’s population. African Americans are more than twice as likely as white drivers to be searched during vehicle stops even after controlling for non-race-based variables such as the reason the vehicle stop was initiated, but are found in possession of contraband 26 percent less often than white drivers, suggesting officers are impermissibly considering race as a factor when determining whether to search.”
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2015, 02:04:58 PM
From the DoJ report:And how does that compare to the National average?
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 12, 2015, 02:15:58 PM
And how does that compare to the National average?
How is that question at all relevant?
I stated that this thread got no bump when the DoJ reported clear and definite racism but was bumped when the officers were shot. You wanted to see more substance to the DoJ report than some racist emails (which you would have absurdly hand-waved away), so I gave you a direct quote from the report with unequivocal evidence of racism and you deflect by asking how it relates to the rest of the nation?
I leave you alone when people pile on because you showed concern for my son and me when he was missing, but you're making it awfully difficult.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2015, 02:20:26 PM
How is that question at all relevant?Well in order for the department to be racist, that would mean they're doing something deliberately based on the color of race.
I stated that this thread got no bump when the DoJ reported clear and definite racism but was bumped when the officers were shot. You wanted to see more substance to the DoJ report than some racist emails (which you would have absurdly hand-waved away), so I gave you a direct quote from the report with unequivocal evidence of racism and you deflect by asking how it relates to the rest of the nation?
I leave you alone when people pile on because you showed concern for my son and me when he was missing, but you're making it awfully difficult.
But if blacks nationally get pulled over at whatever % higher than whites, and the percentages of this department are similar. Then the cause (for higher pull over percentages for blacks than whites) might not be racism of this specific place. But rather a national issue.
Not to mention this also doesn't address socioeconomic issues like poverty. It's incomplete data is really what I'm getting at
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 12, 2015, 02:20:43 PM
It's kind of amusing, yet completely unsurprising, that this thread got bumped after the cops were shot, but not after the Dept. of Justice found and reported rampant racism throughout the police department to the point where the chief stepped down.
I'm not condoning this act by any means. It's just interesting how stories are cherry picked to comment on.
Violence sells?
I didn't think anyone was surprised by the report. As for the cherry picking, most of my extended family is black, so I hope you're not suggesting I have some agenda to dismiss racism. I see it all the time personally.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 12, 2015, 02:27:38 PM
Well in order for the department to be racist, that would mean they're doing something deliberately based on the color of race.
But if blacks nationally get pulled over at whatever % higher than whites, and the percentages of this department are similar. Then the cause (for higher pull over percentages for blacks than whites) might not be racism of this specific place. But rather a national issue.
Not to mention this also doesn't address socioeconomic issues like poverty. It's incomplete data is really what I'm getting at
Did you read the quote? The findings specifically accounted for "...even after controlling for non-race-based variables..."
Please. Just stop.
Violence sells?
I didn't think anyone was surprised by the report. As for the cherry picking, most of my extended family is black, so I hope you're not suggesting I have some agenda to dismiss racism. I see it all the time personally.
You can safely assume I wasn't targeting you with that initial post.
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2015, 02:29:03 PM
What if Michael Brown was 5 years younger? Would you trade for him?
Post by: Tommy on March 12, 2015, 02:35:27 PM
It's kind of amusing, yet completely unsurprising, that this thread got bumped after the cops were shot, but not after the Dept. of Justice found and reported rampant racism throughout the police department to the point where the chief stepped down.
I'm not condoning this act by any means. It's just interesting how stories are cherry picked to comment on.
I dunno, maybe because cops getting shot by protesters is a bigger deal than a few racist emails?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 12, 2015, 02:49:32 PM
You can safely assume I wasn't targeting you with that initial post.
I wasn't sure only because I was the one who bumped it today.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 12, 2015, 03:12:47 PM
I dunno, maybe because cops getting shot by protesters is a bigger deal than a few racist emails?
Maybe go back a page.
I wasn't sure only because I was the one who bumped it today.
Yeah, sorry about that. It was meant as a shot at the usual suspects who couldn't wait to comment on this story because it fits their narrative unlike the DoJ one.
Post by: NDMick on March 12, 2015, 04:26:16 PM
Well in order for the department to be racist, that would mean they're doing something deliberately based on the color of race.
But if blacks nationally get pulled over at whatever % higher than whites, and the percentages of this department are similar. Then the cause (for higher pull over percentages for blacks than whites) might not be racism of this specific place. But rather a national issue.
Not to mention this also doesn't address socioeconomic issues like poverty. It's incomplete data is really what I'm getting at
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe freak your self.
Good movie.
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2015, 11:21:32 AM
Post by: Badger on August 10, 2015, 07:12:35 AM
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FERGUSON, Mo. — St. Louis County police officers shot and critically injured a man who fired at them here late Sunday night, the authorities said, setting this region on another tense and uncertain course on the same day that hundreds gathered to commemorate the one-year anniversary of the killing of Michael Brown, a black teenager, by a white officer.
The shooting came after rival groups began shooting at each other on the west side of West Florissant Avenue, the center of the Ferguson protests, Chief Jon Belmar of the St. Louis County Police Department said. Chief Belmar said that there had been two more shootings in the area, and that the police had used smoke canisters.
The injured man, who was not publicly identified, was part of one of the rival groups, the chief said, and four plainclothes officers saw him running across a parking lot on the opposite side of the avenue.
The officers drove their unmarked sport utility vehicle, with its interior lights flashing, toward him, and he opened fire on the car, Chief Belmar said. The police returned fire from inside the car and then chased the man on foot, he said. Dozens of gunshots were fired, and all four officers shot back and hit the man, who fell to the ground, he said.
A gun that the police recovered from the shooting victim was a 9-milimeter Sig Sauer that they said was reported stolen last year, the authorities said. Chief Belmar said that the four detectives who had shot the man had between six and 12 years of experience, but he declined to provide information about their race.
The shooting, which followed an otherwise peaceful day, was another vexing turn for activists and the authorities alike. It was the second consecutive night of gunfire on West Florissant Avenue.
“They were criminals; they weren’t protesters,” Chief Belmar said of the groups exchanging gunfire. “Protesters are the people out there talking about a way to effect change. We can’t afford to have this kind of violence, not only on a night like this but any point in time if we’re going to move forward in the right direction.”
Post by: Tommy on August 10, 2015, 08:47:52 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 10, 2015, 10:30:34 AM
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe freak your self.
Good movie.
;D
Pffft, what's the matta smahtass don't know any fuckin Shakespeeeah?!
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 10, 2015, 11:45:52 AM
Post by: Tommy on August 10, 2015, 12:21:38 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 10, 2015, 12:39:52 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 10, 2015, 01:01:38 PM
Why is Brown even the face of the movement? Should be Garner.
The victims are rallying points. That's about it. They put a face on the racism people face daily. They're going to center on what got the most media attention because it's the most visible. I find that less frustrating than the idiotic ways they're getting the message across. Alienating Bernie Sanders' supporters and shooting cops? Stupid. It's what grabs headlines, too, so it hurts the people actually doing good things.
Post by: Badger on August 10, 2015, 01:11:05 PM
The victims are rallying points. That's about it. They put a face on the racism people face daily. They're going to center on what got the most media attention because it's the most visible.
Making Michael Brown the face of BLM is about as effective as making Bernie Madoff the face of End Stage Renal Disease.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 10, 2015, 01:15:38 PM
Making Michael Brown the face of BLM is about as effective as making Bernie Madoff the face of End Stage Renal Disease.
How? People are talking about it, which is really the biggest issue for racial issues. He's a terrible face from an ideological standpoint, but a very opportune one from a visibility standpoint.
Post by: Badger on August 10, 2015, 01:19:23 PM
How? People are talking about it, which is really the biggest issue for racial issues. He's a terrible face from an ideological standpoint, but a very opportune one from a visibility standpoint.
The ideological standpoint is kind of important. Without it you're left with "this guy was a real shitbag but you can imagine how tragic this would be if he wasn't."
Post by: Tommy on August 10, 2015, 01:44:32 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 10, 2015, 07:51:28 PM
How? People are talking about it, which is really the biggest issue for racial issues. He's a terrible face from an ideological standpoint, but a very opportune one from a visibility standpoint.
Because it makes people more racist
The period around the Michael Brown shooting was some of the most racism ive seen in my life.
Coming from both the white community and black community (even though we all know only white people can be racist)
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 10, 2015, 09:46:22 PM
Because it makes people more racist
The period around the Michael Brown shooting was some of the most racism ive seen in my life.
Coming from both the white community and black community (even though we all know only white people can be racist)
Black people can be prejudiced and make absolutely stupid generalizations about white people. They just don't have the power to actually do much about it. That's the difference. I don't give a freak if I get called excrement by someone from another race. I'll give a freak about racism against white people when it actually carries any weight.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 10, 2015, 09:47:43 PM
Visibility ain't helping when many are acting like idiots. It's having the opposite effect when even some sympathetic people are rolling their eyes at the "ghetto morons who are at it again."
I hear a lot of people (myself included) saying "freak these people are stupid" who aren't generalizing a race because of it, but they are talking about it a lot more. I haven't seen anyone's view of race or class changed because of what's going on, but like I said, people are talking about it.
Post by: Tommy on August 10, 2015, 10:09:05 PM
I hear a lot of people (myself included) saying "freak these people are stupid" who aren't generalizing a race because of it, but they are talking about it a lot more. I haven't seen anyone's view of race or class changed because of what's going on, but like I said, people are talking about it.
Not generalizing an entire race, just the typical uneducated lower class of that race. The ghetto people. It's a type. I've spoken to people who were mainly sympathetic and then after this they just roll their eyes as if to say "of course".
Post by: dcm1602 on August 11, 2015, 05:12:07 AM
Black people can be prejudiced and make absolutely stupid generalizations about white people. They just don't have the power to actually do much about it. That's the difference. I don't give a freak if I get called excrement by someone from another race. I'll give a freak about racism against white people when it actually carries any weight.Pretty sure a black person physically harming someone in some way (ie shooting them) qualifies as having the power to do something about it.
Maybe they can't "systemically hurt you' but they physically can
Post by: ukilledkenny on August 11, 2015, 06:22:07 AM
Pretty sure a black person physically harming someone in some way (ie shooting them) qualifies as having the power to do something about it.
Maybe they can't "systemically hurt you' but they physically can
You literally, and I don't mean the new figurative definition, always take one discussion and try to twist it into something else.
What exactly does the very low # of scumbags who will physically harm someone because of their race have to do with the point IJR made?
Post by: Laxin on August 11, 2015, 08:08:54 AM
Now Im not saying the movement is unjust or wrong, I just really don't think the Michael Brown shooting, and what has followed in Ferguson, has made any real positives strides.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 11, 2015, 08:37:10 AM
You literally, and I don't mean the new figurative definition, always take one discussion and try to twist it into something else.That anyone can be racist
What exactly does the very low # of scumbags who will physically harm someone because of their race have to do with the point IJR made?
Post by: NDMick on August 11, 2015, 10:05:39 AM
Not generalizing an entire race, just the typical uneducated lower class of that race. The ghetto people. It's a type. I've spoken to people who were mainly sympathetic and then after this they just roll their eyes as if to say "of course".
Curious question: do you equate white trash and ghetto people?
Post by: Tommy on August 11, 2015, 10:10:05 AM
Curious question: do you equate white trash and ghetto people?
Poor white trash and poor ghetto African Americans are different. There's no ghetto culture amongst white trash. They may be dumb and backwards, but they're not killing each other. At least not at the level ghetto African Americans are.
I've known a lot of racist people, and never once see them act racist towards a well spoken African American, or someone who looked like they had their excrement together. The racism is almost always towards the ones who embrace their ghetto culture.
Post by: Jetaho on August 11, 2015, 10:25:37 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/heavily-armed-oath-keepers-inject-new-unease-to-riot-hit-ferguson/ar-BBlDm8L (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/heavily-armed-oath-keepers-inject-new-unease-to-riot-hit-ferguson/ar-BBlDm8L)
Post by: Miamipuck on August 11, 2015, 10:29:23 AM
Poor white trash and poor ghetto African Americans are different. There's no ghetto culture amongst white trash. They may be dumb and backwards, but they're not killing each other. At least not at the level ghetto African Americans are.
I've known a lot of racist people, and never once see them act racist towards a well spoken African American, or someone who looked like they had their excrement together. The racism is almost always towards the ones who embrace their ghetto culture.
Tommy have you ever in your life met or interacted with poor white trash? Do you know anyone that's had dealings with that part of the country's subculture? Have you had a good/bad experience with them?
I am asking honestly because your description is pretty far off. I know people that have had terrible dealings with white trash from an area not too far from Ferguson.
Post by: Tommy on August 11, 2015, 10:31:52 AM
Tommy have you ever in your life met or interacted with poor white trash? Do you know anyone that's had dealings with that part of the country's subculture? Have you had a good/bad experience with them?
I am asking honestly because your description is pretty far off.
I don't hear about poor white trash killing each other in rural America, drive bys, etc.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 11, 2015, 10:32:32 AM
I don't hear about poor white trash killing each other in rural America, drive bys, etc.
They do and they're worse to deal with than ghetto people. I have heard that from numerous sources and have had my run ins with a family and it wasn't pleasant.
Edit: I shouldn't/couldn't say they're worse but they're not any better.
Post by: NDMick on August 11, 2015, 10:57:05 AM
I don't hear about poor white trash killing each other in rural America, drive bys, etc.
Start here: https://www.reddit.com/r/FloridaMan
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 11, 2015, 11:57:50 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 11, 2015, 12:07:26 PM
I give up.
Haha why?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 11, 2015, 12:18:34 PM
Haha why?
Because it's like a perpetual motion machine of Tommy being wrong and not understanding why. It's like if I said I've never heard of an Albanian who wasn't a piece of excrement poopchute rapist, so such a creature must not exist despite my complete lack of awareness of the group. At least I've met Albanians.
Fact is, 2.5 million white on white violent crimes occur each year. 600k black on black violent crimes. There's a disparity based on population size, but seeing as whites outnumber blacks more than 5 to 1 and the disparity is just over 4 to 1, it's not all that much more common. According to Tommy, though, it's like night and day. Nothing will ever change his mind that poor white trash just sits around fixing cars and drinking peacefully.
They don't do drive bys? They also don't live heavily concentrated in urban areas where drive bys actually make sense if you're trying to kill someone and not get swarmed and killed yourself.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 11, 2015, 12:33:08 PM
Because it's like a perpetual motion machine of Tommy being wrong and not understanding why. It's like if I said I've never heard of an Albanian who wasn't a piece of excrement poopchute rapist, so such a creature must not exist despite my complete lack of awareness of the group. At least I've met Albanians.
Fact is, 2.5 million white on white violent crimes occur each year. 600k black on black violent crimes. There's a disparity based on population size, but seeing as whites outnumber blacks more than 5 to 1 and the disparity is just over 4 to 1, it's not all that much more common. According to Tommy, though, it's like night and day. Nothing will ever change his mind that poor white trash just sits around fixing cars and drinking peacefully.
They don't do drive bys? They also don't live heavily concentrated in urban areas where drive bys actually make sense if you're trying to kill someone and not get swarmed and killed yourself.
Gotcha, thanks.
Post by: NDMick on August 11, 2015, 01:29:29 PM
Because it's like a perpetual motion machine of Tommy being wrong and not understanding why. It's like if I said I've never heard of an Albanian who wasn't a piece of excrement poopchute rapist, so such a creature must not exist despite my complete lack of awareness of the group. At least I've met Albanians.
To be fair I've never met one who was really cool and down to earth either.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2015, 02:05:00 PM
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-lives-matter-activist-shaun-king-white-article-1.2330658?utm_content=buffer12887&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw
Post by: bojanglesman on August 19, 2015, 02:08:50 PM
Black Lives Matter activist, Shaun King, might be white
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-lives-matter-activist-shaun-king-white-article-1.2330658?utm_content=buffer12887&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw
Maybe he can bang that white chick that was the head of the NAACP. They can have Mexican kids that think they are Eskimos.
Post by: Tommy on August 19, 2015, 03:06:55 PM
Black Lives Matter activist, Shaun King, might be white
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-lives-matter-activist-shaun-king-white-article-1.2330658?utm_content=buffer12887&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw
Bahahahhaha
Post by: Badger on August 19, 2015, 04:21:03 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 19, 2015, 04:24:29 PM
The first time I saw a picture of him I assumed he was white. I had no idea he was considered black.
Ditto.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2015, 05:37:56 PM
The first time I saw a picture of him I assumed he was white. I had no idea he was considered black.
Go on his Twitter and there's no way you could make that mistake. I thought the same thing as you initially.
Post by: Tommy on August 19, 2015, 05:55:29 PM
Someone should shoot Shaun King.
Well, Heismanberg certainly thought he was black.
Post by: JFIF on August 19, 2015, 05:58:50 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 19, 2015, 06:19:50 PM
This is hilarious.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 19, 2015, 07:03:03 PM
Post by: JFIF on August 19, 2015, 08:05:23 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 19, 2015, 08:10:10 PM
SMEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST A HERO AND BLACK ACTIVIST!
Post by: Tommy on August 19, 2015, 08:20:44 PM
People on social media saying white people made this up.
SMEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST A HERO AND BLACK ACTIVIST!
Searching "nigga Shaun King" gives a different perspective.
Post by: Badger on August 19, 2015, 09:04:41 PM
Searching "nigga Shaun King" gives a different perspective.
Disclaimer: cherrypicked
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/19/1bac12cae2cf3900b042d4ea6ce4d5d3.jpg)
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 20, 2015, 12:00:39 PM
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Y8Dz_cgeeFw/maxresdefault.jpg)
Got him on the train.
Post by: Badger on August 20, 2015, 07:28:33 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 20, 2015, 08:21:41 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 20, 2015, 09:09:05 PM
http://www.people.com/article/9-year-old-jamyla-bolden-shot-to-death-fergusonIf the shooter ends up being black, will they all riot in the streets over this?
Or will none of them give a flying freak?
Scumbag thug gets killed while on drugs committing crimes and they destroy the city.
Little girl murdered while doing hw, won't see a freaking peep
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 20, 2015, 09:33:29 PM
If the shooter ends up being black, will they all riot in the streets over this?
Or will none of them give a flying freak?
Scumbag thug gets killed while on drugs committing crimes and they destroy the city.
Little girl murdered while doing hw, won't see a freaking peep
They will pray and hold vigils and no one outside will give a freak because it's expected. Don't talk about what does and doesn't happen in communities you have zero experience with.
It's way more tragic than what happened before as an isolated incident. I'd imagine everyone agrees with that. They won't riot and protest because they're freaking scared of the people who did this and those people have free run of the neighborhood. They riot when people are getting shot by the people who are supposed to be protecting the community. For some reason they hold the cops to a higher standard than the gangbangers, and they're much more willing to protest the violence when people are watching and they know they won't get a bullet in their own skull for raising a fuss.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 20, 2015, 09:36:14 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 21, 2015, 08:57:10 AM
They will pray and hold vigils and no one outside will give a freak because it's expected. Don't talk about what does and doesn't happen in communities you have zero experience with.
It's way more tragic than what happened before as an isolated incident. I'd imagine everyone agrees with that. They won't riot and protest because they're freaking scared of the people who did this and those people have free run of the neighborhood. They riot when people are getting shot by the people who are supposed to be protecting the community. For some reason they hold the cops to a higher standard than the gangbangers, and they're much more willing to protest the violence when people are watching and they know they won't get a bullet in their own skull for raising a fuss.
For the life of me, I can't understand why so many people can't understand this simple concept.
An 18 year old was shot in the back last weekend in Ferguson by police. But it "neither confirms nor denies" the officers' claim that he pointed a gun at police before they opened fire.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 21, 2015, 09:52:56 AM
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My mother is a senior citizen. I refuse to speak in detail about the nature of my mother’s past, or her sexual partners, and I am gravely embarrassed to even be saying this now, but I have been told for most of my life that the white man on my birth certificate is not my biological father and that my actual biological father is a light-skinned black man. My mother and I have discussed her affair. She was a young woman in a bad relationship and I have no judgment. This has been my lived reality for nearly 30 of my 35 years on earth. I am not ashamed of it, or of who I am—never that—but I was advised by my pastor nearly 20 years ago that this was not a mess of my doing and it was not my responsibility to fix it.
-Shaun king
Oh ok
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 21, 2015, 10:28:16 AM
http://www.people.com/article/9-year-old-jamyla-bolden-shot-to-death-ferguson
#BlackLivesMatter should make an appearance no?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 21, 2015, 11:06:05 AM
#BlackLivesMatter should make an appearance no?
They should. I don't know the details surrounding the shooting, though, so I don't know whether they will. If it was gang violence, there won't be big demonstrations.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 21, 2015, 11:16:21 AM
They should. I don't know the details surrounding the shooting, though, so I don't know whether they will. If it was gang violence, there won't be any demonstrations.
Fixed
Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2015, 11:30:37 AM
Oh ok
Prove it or GTFO/STFU
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 21, 2015, 11:40:44 AM
They should. I don't know the details surrounding the shooting, though, so I don't know whether they will. If it was gang violence, there won't be big demonstrations.
That's unfortunate. I think there is clearly a larger inherent problem with black on black crime in the inner cities vs those only focused on cops. If they would stand up against that issue like do they in police shootings it may start to send a more consistent BLM message.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 21, 2015, 12:41:14 PM
That's unfortunate. I think there is clearly a larger inherent problem with black on black crime in the inner cities vs those only focused on cops. If they would stand up against that issue like do they in police shootings it may start to send a more consistent BLM message.
Obviously black on black crime is a bigger issue per capita. The number of cop shootings is comparatively tiny. It's just more symptomatic of a horrible relationship. The cops are supposed to protect people, but they target blacks, everywhere but especially in poor areas, without regard for criminality. How are they going to stand up to gang members when the cops can't and won't do excrement about the retribution? It's so easy to talk about living in a nice area. I don't have a freaking clue what it's like to live there other than what I'm told by people I know who live there or who have been fortunate enough to get out. People love to pretend it's simple, though.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 22, 2015, 04:57:50 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 22, 2015, 05:30:09 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/20/black-conservative-group-offers-25k-for-proof-that-shaun-king-is-black/
I really hope this gets as good as it could be.
Post by: Tommy on August 22, 2015, 06:05:12 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 25, 2015, 07:17:35 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TjXCZL2tYlw
Post by: JFIF on August 26, 2015, 06:28:09 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 31, 2015, 09:55:04 AM
http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/08/30/435277397/a-white-teen-was-killed-by-a-cop-and-no-one-took-to-the-streets-is-that-a-proble?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150830
Post by: Tommy on August 31, 2015, 11:04:17 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 31, 2015, 11:16:53 AM
"One of your own". That line right there is the reason we'll always have racial issues in this country.
Given the line before, what in the world made you think "one of your own" referred to white people? I said the pathetic rallies are being led by a black man in his community. How does the rest become a statement on white people?
Like I said, the far right is bitching that this kid isn't being protested widely because he's white. As I said, his own community isn't protesting, though. A black member of the predominantly white Seneca community is trying to rally people and they're sitting on their asses at home, black and white. Meanwhile, they're blaming protesters OUTSIDE of Seneca for not taking up the issue. As I said, I don't get how they would expect people outside Seneca to protest when people inside Seneca don't seem willing to do so.
The fact that you were desperate for me to be making some sort of 'us v them' racial statement is one reason we'll always have racial issues in this country. I'm not going to say it's THE reason, because unlike your ignorant derriere, I recognize it as an incredibly complex issue.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2015, 11:21:07 AM
Given the line before, what in the world made you think "one of your own" referred to white people? I said the pathetic rallies are being led by a black man in his community. How does the rest become a statement on white people?Barack Obama doesn't care about white people.
Like I said, the far right is bitching that this kid isn't being protested widely because he's white. As I said, his own community isn't protesting, though. A black member of the predominantly white Seneca community is trying to rally people and they're sitting on their asses at home, black and white. Meanwhile, they're blaming protesters OUTSIDE of Seneca for not taking up the issue. As I said, I don't get how they would expect people outside Seneca to protest when people inside Seneca don't seem willing to do so.
The fact that you were desperate for me to be making some sort of 'us v them' racial statement is one reason we'll always have racial issues in this country. I'm not going to say it's THE reason, because unlike your ignorant derriere, I recognize it as an incredibly complex issue.
Post by: Tommy on August 31, 2015, 11:39:20 AM
Given the line before, what in the world made you think "one of your own" referred to white people? I said the pathetic rallies are being led by a black man in his community. How does the rest become a statement on white people?
Like I said, the far right is bitching that this kid isn't being protested widely because he's white. As I said, his own community isn't protesting, though. A black member of the predominantly white Seneca community is trying to rally people and they're sitting on their asses at home, black and white. Meanwhile, they're blaming protesters OUTSIDE of Seneca for not taking up the issue. As I said, I don't get how they would expect people outside Seneca to protest when people inside Seneca don't seem willing to do so.
The fact that you were desperate for me to be making some sort of 'us v them' racial statement is one reason we'll always have racial issues in this country. I'm not going to say it's THE reason, because unlike your ignorant derriere, I recognize it as an incredibly complex issue.
I didn't actually read your entire post. I am just made that comment to rile you up.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 31, 2015, 04:37:50 PM
I didn't actually read your entire post. I am just made that comment to rile you up.
You forget that I love when you and dcm say excrement like that. Easy prey is fun, and I doubt your honest opinion is far off.
Post by: Tommy on August 31, 2015, 04:45:16 PM
You forget that I love when you and dcm say excrement like that. Easy prey is fun, and I doubt your honest opinion is far off.
Believe me, I'd love to see a country where racial inequality or prejudice doesn't exist, but that's unrealistic. And I honestly don't care enough since I'm not affected. Besides, homogenous countries with no racial or cultural minorities aren't exactly Utopias either.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2015, 05:06:35 PM
Believe me, I'd love to see a country where racial inequality or prejudice doesn't exist, but that's unrealistic. And I honestly don't care enough since I'm not affected. Besides, homogenous countries with no racial or cultural minorities aren't exactly Utopias either.Antarctica is peaceful. And it's permanent residents are homogenous in race.
Post by: Johnny English on August 31, 2015, 05:08:32 PM
Believe me, I'd love to see a country where racial inequality or prejudice doesn't exist, but that's unrealistic. And I honestly don't care enough since I'm not affected. Besides, homogenous countries with no racial or cultural minorities aren't exactly Utopias either.
I thought you said Japan was exactly that?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 31, 2015, 05:11:59 PM
Believe me, I'd love to see a country where racial inequality or prejudice doesn't exist, but that's unrealistic. And I honestly don't care enough since I'm not affected. Besides, homogenous countries with no racial or cultural minorities aren't exactly Utopias either.
America has an unsolvable race problem at a social level. It's the institutional level that concerns me. All you can strive for on the former is improvement, and I think we've done that.
Post by: Tommy on August 31, 2015, 05:12:47 PM
I thought you said Japan was exactly that?
Not a utopia by any stretch. Low crime, low unemployment, and low income equality, sure, but it's a jaded society with a high suicide rate and many people are just depressed and miserable regardless of how great things are.
I only used Japan as an example of low illegal immigration equals full employment and low income inequality. That's an easier problem to fix than trying to change human nature and have everyone think that everyone is exactly the same.
Post by: ons on September 01, 2015, 08:07:31 AM
Not a utopia by any stretch. Low crime, low unemployment, and low income equality, sure, but it's a jaded society with a high suicide rate and many people are just depressed and miserable regardless of how great things are.
I only used Japan as an example of low illegal immigration equals full employment and low income inequality. That's an easier problem to fix than trying to change human nature and have everyone think that everyone is exactly the same.
The reason behind Japan's near-full employment has more to do with how Japan doles out low-wage tax-funded jobs and the complete lack of young people than immigration policy. I'm guessing they'd happily trade a few percentage points out of their employment percentage for a more sustainable birth rate.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 01, 2015, 08:22:18 AM
Post by: Tommy on September 01, 2015, 10:39:38 AM
The reason behind Japan's near-full employment has more to do with how Japan doles out low-wage tax-funded jobs and the complete lack of young people than immigration policy. I'm guessing they'd happily trade a few percentage points out of their employment percentage for a more sustainable birth rate.
They've historically had very low unemployment even when they had healthy birth rates. Another comparison is Sweden. They relaxed immigration restrictions in the 80s and unemployment has steadily increased ever since.
But again, immigration is of course good for an economy that needs workers. Illegal immigration is always bad for an economy. It's basic economics. You flood the market with low cost labor and wages will drive down. It ain't rocket science. You don't have to kick everyone out but at the very least you have to find a way to stop the leak.
Post by: Tommy on September 01, 2015, 10:42:22 AM
Japan isn't analogous to the US, it's birthrate has been declining and it's population aging for several decades. As ONS mentioned that has more to do with it's socio-economics than any other particular reason.
The aging population is causing a labor shortage. Japan has always maintained full employment levels.
Again I'm not trying to compare, only to demonstrate the effect that very low illegal immigration has on a country's labor market.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 17, 2015, 08:12:40 AM
Article on Richard Sherman's Press Conference: (http://news.yahoo.com/richard-sherman-starts-press-conference-221707456.html)
Quote
"Before we get started, I'm gonna address the—because there was some article written. You know, you guys have seen it. Talking about King Noble and all this. I did not write that article. A lot of people had sent it to me over the weekend, but I thought this would be the best place to address it. There were some points in that article, or in that post, that were relevant and I could agree with. But there were also some obviously ignorant points in there. I don't think any time's a time to call out for an all-out war against police or any race of people. I thought that was an ignorant statement. But as a black man, I do understand that black lives matter. You know, I stand for that, I believe in that wholeheartedly.
But I also think that there's a way to go about things, and there's a way to do things. And I think the issue at hand needs to be addressed internally, and before we move on, because from personal experience, you know, you have living in the hood, living in the inner city, you deal with things, you deal with people dying. Dealt with a best friend getting killed...it was two 35-year-old black men. Wasn't no police officer involved, wasn't anybody else involved, and I didn't hear anybody shouting "black lives matter" then...and I think that's the point we need to get to is that we need to deal with our own internal issues before we move forward and start pointing fingers and start attacking other people. We need to solidify ourselves as people and deal with our issues, because I think as long as we have black-on-black crime and, you know, one black man killing another...if black lives matter, then it should matter all the time. You should never let somebody get killed—that's somebody's son, that's somebody's brother, that's somebody's friend. So you should always keep that in mind.
And there's a lot of dealings with police officers right now, I don't think all cops are bad. You know, I think there's some great cops out there, who do everything in their power to uphold the badge and uphold the honor and protect the people in society. But there are bad cops, and I think that also needs to be addressed. I think the police officers we have right now—you know, some of it is being brought to light, because of video cameras, everybody has a camera phone. But these are things a lot of us have dealt with our whole lives. And I think right now is a perfect time to deal with it. The climate we're in...everybody's being more accepting, you know, so I think the ignorance should stop. I think people realize that, at the end of the day, we're all human beings. So, you know, before we're black, white, Asian, Polynesian, Latino—we're humans. So, it's up to us to stop it. Thank you."
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2015, 09:31:20 AM
I know he has a big mouth but in my opinion, it's difficult to not like the guy, Richard Sherman of the Seahawks:Imagine if Sherman had the power and influence (or at least the loud microphone and publicity) of Sharpton
Article on Richard Sherman's Press Conference: (http://news.yahoo.com/richard-sherman-starts-press-conference-221707456.html)
Race problems would be so much closer to being solved
Probably one of the best opinions I've read on all matters of race in recent periods
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 17, 2015, 09:53:57 AM
Imagine if Sherman had the power and influence (or at least the loud microphone and publicity) of Sharpton
Race problems would be so much closer to being solved
Probably one of the best opinions I've read on all matters of race in recent periods
LOL
The last paragraph is dead on. The middle paragraph is well intentioned but a bit naive. Inner city blacks aren't solving the problem of black on black crime without police support, and they're sure as hell not standing up and getting themselves killed without that support. The idea that Al Sharpton has a great deal of power and influence is what the RW media wants you to believe. Most black people think Sharpton is a clown. Race problems would be so much closer to being solved my derriere.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 17, 2015, 09:58:17 AM
LOL
The last paragraph is dead on. The middle paragraph is well intentioned but a bit naive. Inner city blacks aren't solving the problem of black on black crime without police support, and they're sure as hell not standing up and getting themselves killed without that support. The idea that Al Sharpton has a great deal of power and influence is what the RW media wants you to believe. Most black people think Sharpton is a clown. Race problems would be so much closer to being solved my derriere.
I don't know as a black man in America, I like his comments. Will it solve world peace or race relations? Lol definitely to that question.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 17, 2015, 10:40:42 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2015, 10:43:40 AM
LOLWell that's why I did say if not Sharptons power, at least his microphone.
The last paragraph is dead on. The middle paragraph is well intentioned but a bit naive. Inner city blacks aren't solving the problem of black on black crime without police support, and they're sure as hell not standing up and getting themselves killed without that support. The idea that Al Sharpton has a great deal of power and influence is what the RW media wants you to believe. Most black people think Sharpton is a clown. Race problems would be so much closer to being solved my derriere.
I have no idea how much influence he has, but his opinions on race relations get heard louder and more often over probably anyone else in the country.
And that's truly a shame
Post by: Miamipuck on September 17, 2015, 10:48:41 AM
Well that's why I did say if not Sharptons power, at least his microphone.
I have no idea how much influence he has, but his opinions on race relations get heard louder and more often over probably anyone else in the country.
And that's truly a shame
You see him because of the media and soundbites not because of relevance. If you privately speak to most black people (admittedly the ones I know are middle class not inner city) they dislike Sharpton and Obama even. They want similar things to what we want. That said they have much different experiences because they're black, they're very interesting conversations. It's too bad you don't know a black person DCM, you might be enlightened a little bit.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2015, 11:56:13 AM
You see him because of the media and soundbites not because of relevance. If you privately speak to most black people (admittedly the ones I know are middle class not inner city) they dislike Sharpton and Obama even. They want similar things to what we want. That said they have much different experiences because they're black, they're very interesting conversations. It's too bad you don't know a black person DCM, you might be enlightened a little bit.Psh, I have a black friend
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2015, 11:56:31 AM
Post by: Tommy on September 17, 2015, 12:03:36 PM
^I like his comments too. I also like Charles Barkley when he makes comments like that. I just don't find it realistic until you can assure people that they won't get killed for doing it. That's why it's hilarious when people like dcm and Tommy, who have never faced any real intimidation in their lives, start shitting on black people for not stopping the violence in their communities.
I'm not necessarily blaming black people for doing nothing, I'm just saying that there's a reason why cops have itchy trigger fingers when around blacks and not Asians/whites or any other minority. Black communities are almost all filled with awful violence. And unless that changes, the stereotypes won't go away, no matter how much you shame people for their prejudice.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2015, 08:56:07 AM
http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/ben-fields-richland-county-south-carolina-sheriff-deputy-spring-valley-high-school-photo-football-coach-bodybuilder-cop-student-desk-video-complaints/
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2015, 08:58:51 AM
This SRO probably used excessive force, but I want to hear the entire story. A 15 second video clip is not the whole story.
Have any of you ever in your life seen someone who didn't comply get gently arrested?
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2015, 09:04:08 AM
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The officer in this is a cool dude,he is not Racist!!!. Girl was asked her to put the phone away,but told teacher no and Administrator was called and asked her to come to his office. She told him no,he then called the resource officer. When he got there he asked her nicely to get up.Over and over he did nothing wrong. They asked her to get up but she wanted to show off. To some it looks bad but she wanted to prove that she was bad.
But there's a 15 second clip of the situation, so he's racist and his life should be over immediately.
Post by: Johnny English on October 27, 2015, 09:26:21 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2015, 09:28:22 AM
Why is the school calling the police in the first place? I don't see how it's a police matter.
The police officer works in the school. We have School Resource Officers here.
Post by: Johnny English on October 27, 2015, 09:28:54 AM
The police officer works in the school. We have School Resource Officers here.
Ah, I missed that.
Post by: Fenwyr on October 27, 2015, 09:55:46 AM
Post by: Tommy on October 27, 2015, 10:09:47 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 27, 2015, 10:14:59 AM
I think some people forget that police are allowed to use force in certain situations, especially on those who fail to comply. It's just common sense.
Not anymore they're not.
Post by: nyjunc on October 27, 2015, 12:00:57 PM
Shaun King is such a piece of excrement. He spends his entire day searching for white on black crime and then riles up an entire group of people in hopes of ruining someone else's life.
This SRO probably used excessive force, but I want to hear the entire story. A 15 second video clip is not the whole story.
Have any of you ever in your life seen someone who didn't comply get gently arrested?
I'm with you, this guy is such a clown.
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2015, 12:13:46 PM
Ah, I missed that.
Not every school though.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 27, 2015, 12:22:46 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 27, 2015, 12:26:33 PM
I'm not necessarily blaming black people for doing nothing, I'm just saying that there's a reason why cops have itchy trigger fingers when around blacks and not Asians/whites or any other minority. Black communities are almost all filled with awful violence. And unless that changes, the stereotypes won't go away, no matter how much you shame people for their prejudice.
I didn't see this one before. Do you have any actual evidence aside from your own perception to claim that almost all black communities are filled with awful violence? I don't think that's remotely true. You could certainly argue that a lot of the most violent communities are predominantly black (or Hispanic), but even here where there are some truly horrible and violent areas, I'm going over black communities and it's about 50/50 for violence. And that's in a major city. I think extreme poverty is a better predictor.
Post by: nyjunc on October 27, 2015, 12:26:38 PM
Seems excessive from the video, but I don't see how it's race related if that's what Shaun King is insinuating (and knowing him, I don't even have to click to know he is).
it does seem excessive unless the person had a weapon on them and was about to use it but why does every incident have to be racial? it may be but can they investigate first?
Post by: Tommy on October 27, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
I didn't see this one before. Do you have any actual evidence aside from your own perception to claim that almost all black communities are filled with awful violence? I don't think that's remotely true. You could certainly argue that a lot of the most violent communities are predominantly black (or Hispanic), but even here where there are some truly horrible and violent areas, I'm going over black communities and it's about 50/50 for violence. And that's in a major city. I think extreme poverty is a better predictor.
Call it stereotyping or an educated guess, but if the majority of African Americans live in or close to poverty, and the majority of violent crime stems from impoverished neighborhoods then it's not out of the realm of possibility that a cop would take extra precaution when dealing with someone who they believe may be from an area like that. That's all I'm saying. We're not a homogenous society, so someone's natural appearance is always going to be a factor in split second judgements.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2015, 12:30:59 PM
Seems excessive from the video, but I don't see how it's race related if that's what Shaun King is insinuating (and knowing him, I don't even have to click to know he is).
According to Shaun King, Ben Fields attacks students that are mostly black. I think he's just upset that Fields wouldn't pay him any attention because he's all white wishing he was mostly black.
This same police officer received a Culture of Excellence award for being a role model within the district. A superior has to nominate you for that and it is reviewed by the school board.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2015, 12:34:31 PM
it does seem excessive unless the person had a weapon on them and was about to use it but why does every incident have to be racial? it may be but can they investigate first?
It's not racial. The girl wouldn't put her phone away. Her teacher asked her to leave the classroom. She refused. An administrator came down the class and asked her to get up. She refused again.
The student was breaking a state law by refusing to leave the classroom. That's why the SRO was called.
The force he used excessive (in my opinion), but she was refusing/resisting arrest. He technically wasn't wrong to toss her out of the desk.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2015, 12:38:56 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2015, 12:42:59 PM
Post by: Pope on October 27, 2015, 01:29:01 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 27, 2015, 01:48:32 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 27, 2015, 11:04:33 PM
Call it stereotyping or an educated guess, but if the majority of African Americans live in or close to poverty, and the majority of violent crime stems from impoverished neighborhoods then it's not out of the realm of possibility that a cop would take extra precaution when dealing with someone who they believe may be from an area like that. That's all I'm saying. We're not a homogenous society, so someone's natural appearance is always going to be a factor in split second judgements.
I wasn't criticizing the part you just mentioned. It was the idea that 'almost all' black communities are filled with awful violence that I disagreed with. I get why racial profiling exists in certain areas, and obviously someone is going to be extremely cautious going into a high crime black neighborhood.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2015, 11:17:19 PM
oh
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 27, 2015, 11:20:32 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 27, 2015, 11:29:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 27, 2015, 11:31:58 PM
Because it wouldn't have made the news.
This
Post by: nyjunc on October 28, 2015, 08:24:40 AM
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/7c65269fd4b37edd55a2207c1d82b636/tumblr_nwvgxkxoP81shiv3ro1_540.png)
oh
just like no one pays attention when there is black on white violence or the police kill/shoot white people.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 28, 2015, 10:30:43 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 28, 2015, 10:33:55 AM
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Lott said Tuesday that he did not know if race was a factor in the case, but didn't believe so because Fields, who is white has been dating an African-American woman for "quite some time."
Post by: Miamipuck on October 28, 2015, 10:42:20 AM
According to blacklivesmatter people, Fields is insanely racist, he's literally freaking black people.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 28, 2015, 10:48:33 AM
No, that's not why.
And all of these morons comparing her arrest to Dylann Roof's peaceful arrest need to be sterilized.
Post by: nyjunc on October 28, 2015, 11:40:45 AM
Post by: Pope on October 28, 2015, 06:00:36 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 28, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
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It's sick and reveals that what this is really about is the joy some get in brutalizing Black bodies.
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2015, 06:40:13 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 28, 2015, 07:32:15 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 28, 2015, 07:34:53 PM
It's funny how he like that other chick who "identified" black have been the loudest ones. Insane that white guilt can become so strong that it can actual have that effect.
Shaun King has "identified" as black since elementary school. So it's okay for him to tell everyone that he's black.
Just like it was also okay for him to apply to an HBC and falsify his race for scholarships.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 28, 2015, 08:02:47 PM
Shaun King has "identified" as black since elementary school. So it's okay for him to tell everyone that he's black.
Just like it was also okay for him to apply to an HBC and falsify his race for scholarships.
The funny thing is, there's a pretty good chance his story about his mom being a whore and his dad being a black guy is true. I just don't care. He's so obnoxious that I refuse to believe anything other than that he's white.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 28, 2015, 08:08:27 PM
The funny thing is, there's a pretty good chance his story about his mom being a whore and his dad being a black guy is true. I just don't care. He's so obnoxious that I refuse to believe anything other than that he's white.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/19/18/2B7F243A00000578-3203522-Shaun_King-a-84_1440004746708.jpg)
He's white
Post by: Johnny English on October 28, 2015, 08:26:26 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 28, 2015, 08:49:22 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/19/18/2B7F243A00000578-3203522-Shaun_King-a-84_1440004746708.jpg)
He's white
That's what they say about my youngest niece. Hell, Wentworth Miller is half black. I'm not basing it on his looks. I'm basing it on all the excrement I've read from people who back up his claims that he was racially targeted. I can see a reason for him to make this excrement up now. I can't see a reason for him to go through all that as a kid. It doesn't matter, though. He's obnoxious as freak.
Post by: ons on October 29, 2015, 12:58:57 AM
Post by: JFIF on October 29, 2015, 02:01:09 AM
Post by: nyjunc on October 29, 2015, 08:31:55 AM
The funny thing is, there's a pretty good chance his story about his mom being a whore and his dad being a black guy is true. I just don't care. He's so obnoxious that I refuse to believe anything other than that he's white.
I don't care whether this guys is black or white, if he is white and believes in a cause to help black people that's ok. I just don't like him spreading lies and dividing the country more than it already is. every incident is not racist but this clown stirs crap up whenever anything happens to a black person. if a black person has been killed or hurt it is automatically racism. it is beyond ridiculous.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 29, 2015, 08:34:30 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 29, 2015, 09:18:26 AM
The funny thing is, there's a pretty good chance his story about his mom being a whore and his dad being a black guy is true. I just don't care. He's so obnoxious that I refuse to believe anything other than that he's white.
Pretty much this.
Post by: Pope on October 29, 2015, 09:19:40 AM
Post by: IATA on October 29, 2015, 10:19:53 AM
I hope a white supremacist group shows up to beat his derriere and he starts crying explaining that he's white
He would love that
Post by: Heismanberg on October 29, 2015, 11:27:00 AM
But he wasn't doing anything wrong!
Post by: Johnny English on October 29, 2015, 12:07:52 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shaun-king-unarmed-black-teen-killed-driving-car-article-1.2403984
But he wasn't doing anything wrong!
There isn't really enough detail in that story to make any kind of an assessment as to whether the cop's actions seem reasonable, but I'm inclined to think that stealing a car shouldn't be punishable by death.
Post by: nyjunc on October 29, 2015, 12:13:18 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shaun-king-unarmed-black-teen-killed-driving-car-article-1.2403984
But he wasn't doing anything wrong!
what a horrible Country, if a man cannot steal a police car w/o repercussions then what do we have?
I love how he phrases it too:
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got behind the wheel of an off-duty police officer’s car without permissionyou mean he stole it, right? and it's hard to call a man "unarmed" when he has a car that can kill people.
what a clown this guy is.
Post by: nyjunc on October 29, 2015, 12:14:18 PM
There isn't really enough detail in that story to make any kind of an assessment as to whether the cop's actions seem reasonable, but I'm inclined to think that stealing a car shouldn't be punishable by death.
Probably not but when you put yourself in those types of situations and put the officer at risk then bad things can happen including death.
Post by: Johnny English on October 29, 2015, 12:17:14 PM
Probably not but when you put yourself in those types of situations and put the officer at risk then bad things can happen including death.
Which is why I said that there isn't enough information in that article to make a fair assessment. If he's putting people at risk then the officer has to take action to prevent that from happening. If he's simply making off with a few grand's worth of motor vehicle then I don't see how it's a situation for a gun to be used. It sounds like he wasn't even going anywhere, just refusing to get out of the car.
Post by: nyjunc on October 29, 2015, 12:40:16 PM
Which is why I said that there isn't enough information in that article to make a fair assessment. If he's putting people at risk then the officer has to take action to prevent that from happening. If he's simply making off with a few grand's worth of motor vehicle then I don't see how it's a situation for a gun to be used. It sounds like he wasn't even going anywhere, just refusing to get out of the car.
we do need more info, I agree there but from what we know the man stole his car and refused to get out. That's grounds for force.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 29, 2015, 04:08:18 PM
According to some people, this guy should be dead because the cops are pigs. According to other people, this guy should be dead because he looked like a thug and was carrying. Pretty sure a lot of people think this guy should be dead right now.
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 30, 2015, 07:11:52 AM
http://kfor.com/2015/10/29/mans-post-about-traffic-stop-goes-viral/
According to some people, this guy should be dead because the cops are pigs. According to other people, this guy should be dead because he looked like a thug and was carrying. Pretty sure a lot of people think this guy should be dead right now.
I always find it interesting to see who eagerly reposts these types of stories on FB. The middle aged white woman seems to particularly like to repost this one while telling anyone who has ever criticized the police before that they are ungrateful cunts.
Weird how they don't believe the black people who have different stories but this one is how every police interaction actually is.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 30, 2015, 10:45:43 PM
Post by: IATA on October 30, 2015, 10:51:14 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 31, 2015, 12:53:12 PM
Sick a dick, rest of the world.
Post by: JFIF on October 31, 2015, 01:06:48 PM
What especially sucks is that the foreign media picks up these stories and only publishes the sensationalized version. I was watching Japanese news, and they just showed the takedown and said something about it being another example of policy brutality targeting minorities. I'm sure the fuckn Europeans are having fun with this as well. "Hey, check out former Slavery-loving America being dicks to minorities again! We're so much better."
Sick a dick, rest of the world.
Yeah. Sick it good
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2015, 09:32:23 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 02, 2015, 09:59:35 PM
Post by: Tommy on November 02, 2015, 10:06:31 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 02, 2015, 10:22:15 PM
On the one hand I'm compelled to say "well, don't be an poopchute." But what if I do something dumb, but not threatening, that someone with a concealed weapon misinterprets and decides to shoot me?
It'll be a case by case basis like anything else for the cops. Let's be honest, this isn't even the worst one to come out today. Someone dropped a concealed weapon in a Cracker Barrel, the gun went off and shot through another person's leg, and no charges were filed. No negligence or anything.
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2015, 05:48:36 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 03, 2015, 10:41:36 AM
Everyone there was being negligent by taking their families to Cracker Barrel.
My boss gets Cracker Barrel for the pre-game meal every week and it's freaking awful. He is the only person out of 50+ that enjoys it.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 04, 2015, 08:52:32 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/04/racism-by-whom-this-video-of-tex-cops-stopping-a-black-professor-is-a-racial-rorschach-test/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/04/racism-by-whom-this-video-of-tex-cops-stopping-a-black-professor-is-a-racial-rorschach-test/)
Post by: Heismanberg on November 04, 2015, 10:08:46 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 04, 2015, 10:15:25 AM
She automatically assumed they stopped her for being black. It wasn't because she was walking in the middle of the road like a flailing her arms crackhead.
It looked routine and friendly to me.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 04, 2015, 10:17:59 AM
It looked routine and friendly to me.
It was a police trainee. His probationary officer probably decided it was a good idea for him to do a routine check like that.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with it. And like the police chief said in her response, Bland didn't never contacted the police department to complain. She just put them on blast in a major newspaper.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 04, 2015, 10:24:56 AM
It was a police trainee. His probationary officer probably decided it was a good idea for him to do a routine check like that.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with it. And like the police chief said in her response, Bland didn't never contacted the police department to complain. She just put them on blast in a major newspaper.
Think about how bad a spot those officers would be in if that video didn't exist. The verteran officer would have been suspended and/or put on leave and the trainee more than likely fired. All because of "hurr durr racism".
Post by: Heismanberg on November 04, 2015, 10:26:21 AM
Think about how bad a spot those officers would be in if that video didn't exist. The verteran officer would have been suspended and/or put on leave and the trainee more than likely fired. All because of "hurr durr racism".
THEY STOPPED ME FOR MY SAFETY AND MADE SMALL TALK WITH ME ABOUT THE WEATHER! DATS RACIST!
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 04, 2015, 08:52:56 PM
Think about how bad a spot those officers would be in if that video didn't exist. The verteran officer would have been suspended and/or put on leave and the trainee more than likely fired. All because of "hurr durr racism".
Exactly. And we'd have even more people on some anti-cop crusade.
Post by: Tommy on November 04, 2015, 09:15:16 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 04, 2015, 10:27:03 PM
Post by: Tommy on November 04, 2015, 10:33:22 PM
The whole thing is stupid, but I am curious why they asked for her ID. I'm guessing it's standard procedure, but it makes little sense in a situation like this.
Have you ever been stopped by a cop? They always ask for ID. Standard procedure. No biggie if you don't have one. Cops have to file reports on anyone they stop, and they need dates of birth and names.
Post by: Johnny English on November 04, 2015, 10:45:38 PM
The whole thing is stupid, but I am curious why they asked for her ID. I'm guessing it's standard procedure, but it makes little sense in a situation like this.
Pretty much my exact thoughts. She's clearly trying to be a martyr to a situation that never existed except in her fevered imagination, but I don't understand why they would ask her for ID.
Have you ever been stopped by a cop? They always ask for ID. Standard procedure. No biggie if you don't have one. Cops have to file reports on anyone they stop, and they need dates of birth and names.
I have not, despite having put myself in multiple situations historically where if I had have been it wouldn't have ended well for me. Which is pretty much part of the problem, I guess.
Post by: Tommy on November 04, 2015, 10:56:05 PM
Pretty much my exact thoughts. She's clearly trying to be a martyr to a situation that never existed except in her fevered imagination, but I don't understand why they would ask her for ID.
I have not, despite having put myself in multiple situations historically where if I had have been it wouldn't have ended well for me. Which is pretty much part of the problem, I guess.
They wanted to get her name and date of birth for the record. Not to verify that she lived in the neighborhood as she was implying. She immediately went on the defensive, which I guess I can understand if you're a black person being stopped by cops, but they were fine with taking her word for it regarding her name and date of birth.
I was once running out of my parents apt building to catch a cab, and cops stopped me and asked for ID because "I looked like I was in a hurry to get out of that building." Suspicion that I stole something, so had to show it. Another time I was caught drinking in public. Asked for my ID. Didn't have it, so he said freak it and gave me a ticket with the name I gave him (which was a fake one). Wasn't smart, but whatever.
And I asked a buddy of mine who's a cop, and when he stops anyone for any reason, he has to file a report, so always needs to know who the person is, and asks for ID. No ID? No biggie unless it's for suspicion, then they have reason to bring you in for further questioning. A case like this? It's a non issue.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 05, 2015, 02:41:01 AM
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2015, 05:25:14 AM
Have you ever been stopped by a cop? They always ask for ID. Standard procedure. No biggie if you don't have one. Cops have to file reports on anyone they stop, and they need dates of birth and names.
I'm guessing you've never seen a stop and frisk.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 05, 2015, 06:06:34 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 05, 2015, 08:12:44 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 05, 2015, 08:17:24 AM
You've been stopped 2-3 times a year for the last 15 years? Are you slinging rocks in your neighbourhood?No, he's just an poopchute that think he's entitled to drive 20 mph faster than everyone else.
Post by: Pope on November 05, 2015, 08:25:14 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 05, 2015, 09:39:33 AM
Have you ever been stopped by a cop? They always ask for ID. Standard procedure. No biggie if you don't have one. Cops have to file reports on anyone they stop, and they need dates of birth and names.
I've been asked for ID for traffic violations or getting busted with alcohol as a kid, but when I've been stopped for a warning I've never been asked. It seemed odd to ask her for one when they were just telling her to be careful. That's why I asked. I've never seen that, but I assume it's standard procedure in a lot of areas. I was wondering if anyone knew the reason behind it.
Post by: Tommy on November 05, 2015, 09:42:31 AM
I've been asked for ID for traffic violations or getting busted with alcohol as a kid, but when I've been stopped for a warning I've never been asked. It seemed odd to ask her for one when they were just telling her to be careful. That's why I asked. I've never seen that, but I assume it's standard procedure in a lot of areas. I was wondering if anyone knew the reason behind it.
You can tell by their reactions that they didn't want it to verify that she lives in the area, she immediately went on the defensive by saying that she can prove she's from there, etc.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 05, 2015, 09:43:17 AM
I have gotten id'ed every single time I have ever been pulled, over it's SOP and that's about 2-3 times a year for the last 15 years. I have no problem with that. In fact anyone walking in their own neighborhood with a police presence should be ok with it. It looks like the cops were freaking polite and nice. I honestly see nothing racial even by accident.
I would expect it if I got pulled over. I've just never seen anyone have a cop politely let them know to be safe about something and then ask for ID. Like I said, I just was curious what the reason is for that procedure. If you're suspected of a violation, yes. If they're just trying to help you out, why is it policy to ask for ID? Not in this situation, just in general.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 05, 2015, 09:46:54 AM
You can tell by their reactions that they didn't want it to verify that she lives in the area, she immediately went on the defensive by saying that she can prove she's from there, etc.
I'm not asking whether her reaction was appropriate. It was as far from appropriate as it gets. I'm asking if anyone knows a reason why it's procedure to ask for ID in a situation like this. As a general thing.
I can tell you're loving this, though, so go ahead and respond again with a tangential statement about crazy black people.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 05, 2015, 10:05:40 AM
I would expect it if I got pulled over. I've just never seen anyone have a cop politely let them know to be safe about something and then ask for ID. Like I said, I just was curious what the reason is for that procedure. If you're suspected of a violation, yes. If they're just trying to help you out, why is it policy to ask for ID? Not in this situation, just in general.
I get pulled over for speeding or not driving a Ferrari in an expensive neighborhood, usually not egregious.
The cops down here are pretty annoying, mostly entitled cunts. That said for the most part they always ask for ID. Again South Florida is different there's a lot of shady excrement that has its roots here, you can tell that from the" Only in Florida" thread. What they do elsewhere is most likely not as harsh.
I will say I am good friend with 3 brothers of Pakistani descent and good lord, black people have zero right to complain with what those guys have/had to go thru. There always polite plus they're 2 lawyers and a Dr so they don't usually have to many serious issues with police but still.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 05, 2015, 10:13:01 AM
You've been stopped 2-3 times a year for the last 15 years? Are you slinging rocks in your neighbourhood?
All traffic stuff and most of it not speeding. Of late my current car has a short that can't seem to get fixed so a headlight goes out periodically and that's like catnip for the cops around here. I do average a ticket every 3 years, sometimes there's no way around adouchy cop.
Also playing hockey, I am on the roads after midnight quite a bit so yeah I get pulled over randomly because that's what they do when you're on a major road alone quite a bit. The law of averages.
No, he's just an poopchute that think he's entitled to drive 20 mph faster than everyone else.
Pretty much yeah
Btw gfy
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 05, 2015, 10:40:26 AM
I get pulled over for speeding or not driving a Ferrari in an expensive neighborhood, usually not egregious.
The cops down here are pretty annoying, mostly entitled cunts. That said for the most part they always ask for ID. Again South Florida is different there's a lot of shady excrement that has its roots here, you can tell that from the" Only in Florida" thread. What they do elsewhere is most likely not as harsh.
I will say I am good friend with 3 brothers of Pakistani descent and good lord, black people have zero right to complain with what those guys have/had to go thru. There always polite plus they're 2 lawyers and a Dr so they don't usually have to many serious issues with police but still.
That's funny. The black people I know get it much worse than Arabs from cops. My nephew gets stopped walking in his own neighborhood. I'll be sure to tell him not to complain.
Post by: Tommy on November 05, 2015, 11:45:32 AM
Post by: Pope on November 05, 2015, 11:54:21 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot that Iggy is the only one who's allowed to have an opinion since he knows some black people. No one else understands the issue as much as he does.Lol
Post by: Heismanberg on November 05, 2015, 12:20:25 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot that Iggy is the only one who's allowed to have an opinion since he knows some black people. No one else understands the issue as much as he does.
hahahaha
Post by: Heismanberg on November 05, 2015, 12:20:46 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 05, 2015, 01:19:35 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot that Iggy is the only one who's allowed to have an opinion since he knows some black people. No one else understands the issue as much as he does.
When did I say that? I just have an issue with absolutes like "See, this is why black people are all crazy" or "Black people should never complain because I know three Pakistanis who have it worse". This woman was wrong. She went nuts. And yet as soon as I ask why it's policy to ID someone who was stopped NOT for an alleged infraction but because they wanted to help her out, you immediately assume I'm trying to say she was in the right. Not the case at all.
Your opinion isn't worthless because you don't know black people. Your opinion is worthless because you're worthless. That goes for just about anything you open your mouth on, not just racial issues.
Post by: MBGreen on November 05, 2015, 01:33:51 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 05, 2015, 08:20:54 PM
When did I say that? I just have an issue with absolutes like "See, this is why black people are all crazy" or "Black people should never complain because I know three Pakistanis who have it worse". This woman was wrong. She went nuts. And yet as soon as I ask why it's policy to ID someone who was stopped NOT for an alleged infraction but because they wanted to help her out, you immediately assume I'm trying to say she was in the right. Not the case at all.
Your opinion isn't worthless because you don't know black people. Your opinion is worthless because you're worthless. That goes for just about anything you open your mouth on, not just racial issues.
I don't care about you being a dick about what I said, I hope you know I wasn't being 100 percent plus its not like I am not a dick back most of the time. But that's how we speak here, lots of hyperbole.
That said I hope you choke on a dick, MR I know black people that have it worse than pucks brown people. You bundle of sticks, whine somewhere else you bundle of sticks mother fucker. Hadassah he said black people don't have it that bad and shouldn't whine douchebags.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 05, 2015, 09:27:43 PM
Post by: Jumbo on November 05, 2015, 10:37:13 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 06, 2015, 12:58:58 AM
I don't care about you being a dick about what I said, I hope you know I wasn't being 100 percent plus its not like I am not a dick back most of the time. But that's how we speak here, lots of hyperbole.
That said I hope you choke on a dick, MR I know black people that have it worse than pucks brown people. You bundle of sticks, whine somewhere else you bundle of sticks mother fucker. Hadassah he said black people don't have it that bad and shouldn't whine douchebags.
See, I didn't say I know black people that have it worse than your brown friends. I said the black people I know have it worse than the Arabs I know. My bottom line was that it's retarded to suggest that black people shouldn't complain about mistreatment because a couple of Muslims had it worse. Absolutes are a huge problem and a reason why we have issues like the woman we were discussing. There's no gray with people any more.
Post by: Badger on November 06, 2015, 05:21:38 AM
See, I didn't say I know black people that have it worse than your brown friends. I said the black people I know have it worse than the Arabs I know. My bottom line was that it's retarded to suggest that black people shouldn't complain about mistreatment because a couple of Muslims had it worse. Absolutes are a huge problem and a reason why we have issues like the woman we were discussing. There's no gray with people any more.
#GrayAreasMatter
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 06, 2015, 06:01:52 AM
See, I didn't say I know black people that have it worse than your brown friends. I said the black people I know have it worse than the Arabs I know. My bottom line was that it's retarded to suggest that black people shouldn't complain about mistreatment because a couple of Muslims had it worse. Absolutes are a huge problem and a reason why we have issues like the woman we were discussing. There's no gray with people any more.
In my experience trying to acknowledge nuance in a situation just gets you labelled a fence sitting hoo-ha. It's very important to people that younbe firmly on one side or the other.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 06, 2015, 09:49:10 AM
http://nypost.com/2015/11/06/9-year-old-chicago-boy-lured-into-alley-and-shot/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 06, 2015, 11:17:39 AM
In my experience trying to acknowledge nuance in a situation just gets you labelled a fence sitting hoo-ha. It's very important to people that younbe firmly on one side or the other.
I've been talking about how tribalism is destroying any reasonable conversation for years. It's completely out of control. Like you said, anyone not drawing a line in the sand is a fence sitter. Neil Tyson tweeted about it the other day actually. Something to the effect of: why is changing your opinion in light of new evidence deemed a character flaw today, rather than a virtue?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 06, 2015, 11:38:27 AM
I've been talking about how tribalism is destroying any reasonable conversation for years. It's completely out of control. Like you said, anyone not drawing a line in the sand is a fence sitter. Neil Tyson tweeted about it the other day actually. Something to the effect of: why is changing your opinion in light of new evidence deemed a character flaw today, rather than a virtue?
An entire presidential campaign was run on that concept. That Bush-Kerry election was huge, and I think the problem got much worse after that.
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2015, 09:05:01 AM
Excellent points made by this guy.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 15, 2015, 09:09:04 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 16, 2015, 09:32:10 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 16, 2015, 11:49:44 AM
LOL
Post by: Tommy on November 16, 2015, 11:57:36 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 16, 2015, 12:01:07 PM
Look at the piece of excrement that made that post. This kind of picture/threat should be reported. He is holding the exact same weapon used on the people in France.
Post by: Johnny English on November 16, 2015, 12:42:20 PM
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/v/l/t1.0-9/10477474_889586651075953_8963728691582549019_n.jpg?oh=d10e4178f50a687c6e15aa86fbe5a876&oe=56AFF4F0)
Look at the piece of excrement that made that post. This kind of picture/threat should be reported. He is holding the exact same weapon used on the people in France.
I believe the expression is "exercising his rights under the Second Amendment".
Post by: Heismanberg on November 16, 2015, 12:55:16 PM
I believe the expression is "exercising his rights under the Second Amendment".
I know you're joking, but I am all but certain he didn't obtain that assault rifle legally.
Post by: Pope on November 16, 2015, 01:10:44 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 16, 2015, 03:15:30 PM
https://www.facebook.com/CtCoob/posts/1121977917836824
LOL
My favorite:
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12227700_1122003094500973_4474965829836069176_n.jpg?oh=d380055cd7e98fbd753988fed783a5b5&oe=56E7924C
Basic white bitches all look alike.
Post by: Badger on November 16, 2015, 05:05:42 PM
https://www.facebook.com/CtCoob/posts/1121977917836824
LOL
"Thank all of the African Gods I don't do that "we sick" nonsense. I have no love for my enemies. Their complete obliteration from this earth is the only viable solution."
Kill all white people, I guess.
Post by: Pope on November 16, 2015, 05:32:12 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 17, 2015, 12:51:22 AM
These are probably the same retards demanding slavery reperations
How can white people make monetary amends for slavery when they're all dead? Clearly the poorly constructed movement has some conflicted goals here.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 17, 2015, 05:58:14 AM
How can white people make monetary amends for slavery when they're all dead? Clearly the poorly constructed movement has some conflicted goals here.Dig them up, sell "whack whitey with a sledgehammer" tickets for $1 per swing. Or dig them up for massive Weekend at Bernie's sequel.
Post by: Pope on November 17, 2015, 07:33:21 AM
Post by: Tommy on November 17, 2015, 09:16:30 AM
How can white people make monetary amends for slavery when they're all dead? Clearly the poorly constructed movement has some conflicted goals here.
I often wonder how different the country would be today if the U.S government had provided former slaves with plots of land in the Midwest territories back then as reparations. That was probably a missed opportunity of providing former slaves with a head start. Instead they just went from being slaves to indentured servitude and perpetual poverty for nearly a century.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 17, 2015, 09:55:57 AM
I often wonder how different the country would be today if the U.S government had provided former slaves with plots of land in the Midwest territories back then as reparations. That was probably a missed opportunity of providing former slaves with a head start. Instead they just went from being slaves to indentured servitude and perpetual poverty for nearly a century.
Well, it wouldn't be worse. 40 acres and a mule was a nice thought, but too many vengeful Republicans wanted to carve it out of Southern land. As you said, it should have been in the West. Davis Bend is an interesting example. When Jefferson Davis left Hurricane Plantation during the Civil War, his slaves ran it. They were freed and basically took over. It was run very successfully, but of course the land was eventually returned to the Davis family. There was absolutely no way for any sort of equality to arise out of forcing former slaves and poor whites to live side by side after Reconstruction. Slavery was a system largely built on the ability to sell poor, non-slave owning whites on the idea of racial superiority as a lone source of pride. Suddenly making them economic equals was disastrous. Former slaveowners got what they wanted in the form of sharecropping. It was their lower class brethren who were the problem. Separating blacks from that and just ending post-slavery racial stratification would have gone a long way to preventing the legacy of racial tensions we have today.
Obviously, there's no way of knowing the outcome. If blacks struggled, they'd still have moved into segregated neighborhoods in cities during WWI and WWII. With a population that was almost entirely uneducated coming out of the war, they'd have needed a great deal of assistance when it came to formalizing education in the new territories. I have a hard time imagining a magical land in which we were free of racial tension, but I doubt it would even remotely approach what we have today.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 17, 2015, 11:48:55 AM
I often wonder how different the country would be today if the U.S government had provided former slaves with plots of land in the Midwest territories back then as reparations. That was probably a missed opportunity of providing former slaves with a head start. Instead they just went from being slaves to indentured servitude and perpetual poverty for nearly a century.Black people would have Mexican slaves. It's science.
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 17, 2015, 04:15:23 PM
Post by: nyjunc on November 17, 2015, 04:21:15 PM
This white dude I know who now teaches black studies at Vassar posted that Shaun King tweet genuinely earlier. I got a nice laugh.
which one? that guy tweets misinformed racist garbage every day
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 17, 2015, 04:30:19 PM
which one? that guy tweets misinformed racist garbage every day
The one badger posted in this thread about muslims not being the only people who shoot up crowded theaters.
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2015, 07:06:43 PM
The guy who called the cops needs to deepthroat a shotgun.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 19, 2015, 01:59:35 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 23, 2015, 11:13:56 AM
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2015/11/23/kansas-professor-leave-after-using-racial-slur-class/UJ1UYn6x97MMgkWzeKwFDK/story.html?s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Afacebook
Post by: Tommy on November 23, 2015, 11:17:05 AM
This is all going to end so very, very badly as more incidents like this happen and extreme license is taken to try to find reasons to fire these professors and administrators.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2015/11/23/kansas-professor-leave-after-using-racial-slur-class/UJ1UYn6x97MMgkWzeKwFDK/story.html?s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Afacebook
It's telling how the paper didn't even say the damn word that she used. It's gotten to the point where everyone is afraid of being labeled a racist. Reminds me of that episode of Curb when Larry David was describing how some poopchute said the word "person of color", and everyone accused him of being racist for even uttering it.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 23, 2015, 11:26:27 AM
It's telling how the paper didn't even say the damn word that she used. It's gotten to the point where everyone is afraid of being labeled a racist. Reminds me of that episode of Curb when Larry David was describing how some poopchute said the word "person of color", and everyone accused him of being racist for even uttering it.
It's the single most loaded word in this country given its history, and it has an incredibly unique and fascinating etymological history. I don't blame people for not wanting to hear it except in a historical or academic context, and it seems fairly easy to just use 'the N word' in a situation like that. I think the furor is quite overblown in most cases, though.
Post by: Coach K on November 24, 2015, 07:45:10 AM
You don't have to like their message or methods but I think this proves their case to be honest .
Post by: Coach K on November 24, 2015, 07:46:37 AM
Post by: Coach K on November 24, 2015, 07:48:33 AM
Anyways .......go jets
Post by: nyjunc on November 24, 2015, 08:05:19 AM
So 5 BLM protestors were shot in Minnesota by 3 white gunmen.
You don't have to like their message or methods but I think this proves their case to be honest .
I don't think it proves anything other than there were insane men shooting people.
Post by: Coach K on November 24, 2015, 08:05:30 AM
I almost confused him with the former Tulane/Bucs QB rofl
Post by: Coach K on November 24, 2015, 08:09:40 AM
I don't think it proves anything other than there were insane men shooting people.
Oh that's right . It couldn't have been racially motivated ir a microcosm of American culture as early as one generation ago.
But it's always the whole groups fault when "they " do something.
Nobody is saying this means all white people hate blacks lol.
But I'd Westboro can do what they do and not get shot. Or if there are incidents we would be comparing one group of over a decades worth of protesting versus something that almost less than a year ago
I'm not gonna debate it though everyone will have there own perception and these topics, people seldom concede any point
Just woke up to that news knowing it's only going to geg worse , regardless hoe you see it
Post by: Miamipuck on November 24, 2015, 08:17:11 AM
Oh that's right . It couldn't have been racially motivated ir a microcosm of American culture as early as one generation ago.
But it's always the whole groups fault when "they " do something.
Nobody is saying this means all white people hate blacks lol.
But I'd Westboro can do what they do and not get shot. Or if there are incidents we would be comparing one group of over a decades worth of protesting versus something that almost less than a year ago
I'm not gonna debate it though everyone will have there own perception and these topics, people seldom concede any point
Just woke up to that news knowing it's only going to geg worse , regardless hoe you see it
What's good about this country is bad. For instance, I personally love when the white supremists/neo nazi's openly talk, it makes them look ignorant and puts them out in the open, that's a good thing. They don't like me anymore than a black person, maybe less.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 24, 2015, 08:33:32 AM
So 5 BLM protestors were shot in Minnesota by 3 white gunmen.
You don't have to like their message or methods but I think this proves their case to be honest .
Their case centers on institutional racism. The incident doesn't prove anything regarding their case. It proves that some pieces of excrement decided they were tired of the protests. It's going to start getting much worse now, though.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 24, 2015, 08:36:42 AM
Post by: Coach K on November 24, 2015, 08:38:07 AM
Their case centers on institutional racism. The incident doesn't prove anything regarding their case. It proves that some pieces of excrement decided they were tired of the protests. It's going to start getting much worse now, though.
Institutionalized racism shouldnt even be up for debate by anyone who does enough reading or knows enough people of color.
America is a great country though, so yes, there's success stories . But I find it funny when people say I know X who did Y so no, everything is equal .
Not putting words in your mouth but just an aside, I guess.
But therein lies the problem.
Post by: Coach K on November 24, 2015, 08:41:49 AM
*it was auto corrected into rave baiting. Would've been some nice typos per usual lol
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 24, 2015, 09:11:45 AM
Institutionalized racism shouldnt even be up for debate by anyone who does enough reading or knows enough people of color.
America is a great country though, so yes, there's success stories . But I find it funny when people say I know X who did Y so no, everything is equal .
Not putting words in your mouth but just an aside, I guess.
But therein lies the problem.
And yet for some reason it's usually the opposite. You find people who admit there are racially divisive people in this country, yet they'll deny that institutional racism exists. I suspect it has something to do with not wanting to admit white superiority in the eyes of the law. If you show that there are people with racial prejudice, then you can apply it to blacks as well and even the score, so to speak. It doesn't have the same impact if blacks treat whites differently as well. It's much harder for those people to admit that inequality in the eyes of the law still exists. That blacks have an automatic handicap when it comes to success, not to mention the impediments to basic institutional relations. People don't want to admit that.
Post by: nyjunc on November 24, 2015, 11:03:49 AM
And yet for some reason it's usually the opposite. You find people who admit there are racially divisive people in this country, yet they'll deny that institutional racism exists. I suspect it has something to do with not wanting to admit white superiority in the eyes of the law. If you show that there are people with racial prejudice, then you can apply it to blacks as well and even the score, so to speak. It doesn't have the same impact if blacks treat whites differently as well. It's much harder for those people to admit that inequality in the eyes of the law still exists. That blacks have an automatic handicap when it comes to success, not to mention the impediments to basic institutional relations. People don't want to admit that.
I don't believe that to be true. I will give an example, Al Roker made the news this weekend complaining a cab by[passed him and picked up a white guy. He calls it racism but how do we know? are white people never bypassed for a cab? it's happened to me a million times. if a black person doesn't get a job it is not automatically racism, it may be but each situation is different. people hire people for many reasons. I find it to be more excuse making when it comes to many of these situations.
Racism exists obviously but not every bad thing that happens to a black person is based on racism.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 24, 2015, 11:08:51 AM
I don't believe that to be true. I will give an example, Al Roker made the news this weekend complaining a cab by[passed him and picked up a white guy. He calls it racism but how do we know? are white people never bypassed for a cab? it's happened to me a million times. if a black person doesn't get a job it is not automatically racism, it may be but each situation is different. people hire people for many reasons. I find it to be more excuse making when it comes to many of these situations.
Racism exists obviously but not every bad thing that happens to a black person is based on racism.
In no way does that contradict what I said. You invented an entirely different argument. I never once said everything bad to happen to a black person is racism.
And Al Roker not getting picked up by a cab is not institutional racism. That's just silly, and you should be ashamed of this post.
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2015, 11:16:36 AM
In no way does that contradict what I said. You invented an entirely different argument.
Welcome to junc.
Post by: nyjunc on November 24, 2015, 11:44:58 AM
In no way does that contradict what I said. You invented an entirely different argument. I never once said everything bad to happen to a black person is racism.
And Al Roker not getting picked up by a cab is not institutional racism. That's just silly, and you should be ashamed of this post.
It was in response to this excuse making garbage:
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It's much harder for those people to admit that inequality in the eyes of the law still exists. That blacks have an automatic handicap when it comes to success, not to mention the impediments to basic institutional relations. People don't want to admit that.
Post by: ons on November 24, 2015, 12:23:33 PM
It was in response to this excuse making garbage:
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Al Roker was dumb and said that he didn't get a cab because someone was racist so actually structural racism doesn't exist. Good to have that settled so clearly and definitively.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 24, 2015, 03:21:16 PM
It was in response to this excuse making garbage:
Stating a fact, not making excuses. Thank you for inadvertently demonstrating my point, though, by offering up a pretty typical response from the people who fall into the category I mentioned. The handicap is shrinking, but it still exists. The trouble with much of the current protesting on college campuses is that it devalues concerns when centered on minor things that are rather superficially symptomatic of the larger problems.
Of course, rather than focus on any of those, you opted to bring Al Roker's silly cabbie story in. That's precisely what I expected, just from some of our more demonstrably ignorant posters.
Post by: nyjunc on November 24, 2015, 03:54:25 PM
Stating a fact, not making excuses. Thank you for inadvertently demonstrating my point, though, by offering up a pretty typical response from the people who fall into the category I mentioned. The handicap is shrinking, but it still exists. The trouble with much of the current protesting on college campuses is that it devalues concerns when centered on minor things that are rather superficially symptomatic of the larger problems.
Of course, rather than focus on any of those, you opted to bring Al Roker's silly cabbie story in. That's precisely what I expected, just from some of our more demonstrably ignorant posters.
you brought up perceived disadvantages, all I said was they need to be discussed on a case by case basis. Some are racism, some aren't but we throw a blanket over ever issue and it loses meaning.
Post by: Tommy on November 24, 2015, 04:11:03 PM
Maybe, just maybe, success and upbringing are tied in some way. Or should we blame institutional racism for lack of family values amongst black culture?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 24, 2015, 04:12:58 PM
you brought up perceived disadvantages, all I said was they need to be discussed on a case by case basis. Some are racism, some aren't but we throw a blanket over ever issue and it loses meaning.
So like I said, you responded by creating an argument I didn't make. Thanks again for clarifying.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 24, 2015, 04:26:11 PM
Al Roker had a good upbringing, went to a good school, had a good education, and landed a job where he excelled. All that despite a permanent handicap as Iggy would suggest.
Maybe, just maybe, success and upbringing are tied in some way. Or should we blame institutional racism for lack of family values amongst black culture?
Of course upbringing influences success. Is there a reason why that has to be mutually exclusive with the idea that blacks are dealt a shittier hand regardless? The black experience is inherently different and it's not something that can be hidden like so many other reasons why a person might get different treatment. Obviously there are a number of successful blacks in this country. The freaking president is black. He'd be a much better argument against an automatic handicap than Al Roker. Of course, we're talking about the black community as a whole, so using a few individuals doesn't really do much. You could find individuals who discount any handicap. Steve Buscemi is ugly as freak, which made it much tougher for him to become an actor. Guess what? He overcame it! That doesn't mean there isn't a decided preference for attractive people in Hollywood.
Let's not discuss the fact that wealthy, educated black people get harassed by the cops in their own neighborhoods and have to be extra careful when dealing with many institutions. I mean, that's probably because they lack family values. Or were you suggesting that it's a big problem, not necessarily a universal one? I can't tell since you're such an all-or-nothing kind of guy.
Post by: Tommy on November 24, 2015, 05:10:20 PM
Of course upbringing influences success. Is there a reason why that has to be mutually exclusive with the idea that blacks are dealt a shittier hand regardless? The black experience is inherently different and it's not something that can be hidden like so many other reasons why a person might get different treatment. Obviously there are a number of successful blacks in this country. The freaking president is black. He'd be a much better argument against an automatic handicap than Al Roker. Of course, we're talking about the black community as a whole, so using a few individuals doesn't really do much. You could find individuals who discount any handicap. Steve Buscemi is ugly as freak, which made it much tougher for him to become an actor. Guess what? He overcame it! That doesn't mean there isn't a decided preference for attractive people in Hollywood.
Let's not discuss the fact that wealthy, educated black people get harassed by the cops in their own neighborhoods and have to be extra careful when dealing with many institutions. I mean, that's probably because they lack family values. Or were you suggesting that it's a big problem, not necessarily a universal one? I can't tell since you're such an all-or-nothing kind of guy.
But what are we talking about exactly? Blacks get harassed by cops more because a disproportionate number of blacks, relative to other races, commit crimes, so law enforcement will naturally target them disproportionately as a result. Yeah, that sucks, but that doesn't count as "institutional racism". Being denied a job because of your skin color would qualify. Getting a lopsided sentence for a similar crime would qualify. Getting paid less for the exact same job would qualify. Unless you provide evidence of this so-called inherent handicap, all you're doing is making excuses for an entire group of people who don't need your fuckn pity or excuses.
Yeah, racism exists in some places, but it's not widespread enough so as to be "institutional". Ghetto culture and lack of family values amongst African American communities, as well as widespread poverty in those areas are the primary causes of those specific people having handicaps in life. If I were brought up in a broken home in a poor neighborhood, I'd have a handicap too.
All else being equal, a black guy and white guy from similar families with similar educational backgrounds would likely achieve the same level of success. The only difference is that the black guy would get looked at by cops more, and will have cabs bypass them more often than the white guy.
Institutional? Hardly.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 24, 2015, 05:41:44 PM
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Post by: Johnny English on February 04, 2016, 09:53:27 PM
Shaun kings Twitter profile now reads: "Senior Justice Writer @NewYorkDailyNews"
I think that's awesome. I think seniors should definitely get more justice.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 04, 2016, 09:54:05 PM
I think that's awesome. I think seniors should definitely get more justice.
Only black seniors doe
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 05, 2016, 12:25:56 AM
Shaun kings Twitter profile now reads: "Senior Justice Writer @NewYorkDailyNews"
Noooooooo
Post by: Heismanberg on February 05, 2016, 12:33:44 AM
@ShaunKing: 12. In fact, a new study determined that over HALF of Black homeowners were illegally charged higher interest rates
lol
Post by: bojanglesman on February 05, 2016, 06:15:40 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 05, 2016, 11:10:54 AM
Senior Justice Writer sounds like a pretend job my 4 year old would make up while in Superman underwear.
Sounds about right. Shaun King plays dress up and make believe every day.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2016, 11:38:08 AM
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Never, not once, in my life have I seen a white quarterback (the league MVP in the Super Bowl no less) called boy.
This is not even disguised racism. It's just racist. Period.
Pure ugliness.
PS: In case you didn't know, this came from an NFL legend.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 08, 2016, 11:44:13 AM
"An NFL legend"...it came from a freaking scumbag moron. Nice try.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2016, 11:46:29 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 08, 2016, 11:52:35 AM
I actually do think that Bill Romanowski is racist. Shaun King is just an idiot for calling one of the biggest disgraces to the NFL a legend.
He might be, but I doubt he understands why that comment was a problem. I have more of a problem with his comments that he'd try to choke out Cam if he could get him in a dogpile. Why the freak does an old, retired player want to talk about choking out some young QB in an interview?
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2016, 11:54:19 AM
He might be, but I doubt he understands why that comment was a problem. I have more of a problem with his comments that he'd try to choke out Cam if he could get him in a dogpile. Why the freak does an old, retired player want to talk about choking out some young QB in an interview?
That was pretty disgusting. Rodney Harrison said similar things. Not surprising either.
Both players are scum.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 08, 2016, 12:05:41 PM
I didn't hear/see the original comment or apology, but I saw her say that on Twitter.
FTR: Romanowski is an absolute monster and always was. He's the epitome of a roided-out animal.
Post by: IATA on February 08, 2016, 12:05:57 PM
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Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2016, 12:21:20 PM
Josina Anderson tweeted that Romanowski almost immediately apologized for his use of the word "boy."
I didn't hear/see the original comment or apology, but I saw her say that on Twitter.
FTR: Romanowski is an absolute monster and always was. He's the epitome of a roided-out animal.
Shaun King: "Josina Anderson is an Uncle Tom"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 08, 2016, 01:15:28 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on February 08, 2016, 01:29:30 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2016, 03:28:26 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 08, 2016, 03:29:07 PM
Shaun King: "Josina Anderson is an Uncle Tom"
LOL. Are you Shaun King's ghost writer?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 08, 2016, 03:31:56 PM
We're not allowed to call young black people "boys" now?
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"Daddy, why do white people treat colored people so mean?"; when you take a cross-county drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading "white" and "colored"; when your first name becomes "person of color," your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you are) and your last name becomes "John," and your wife and mother are never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never quite knowing what to expect next,and are plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of "nobodiness" then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 08, 2016, 03:33:10 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2016, 03:33:31 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2016, 03:34:11 PM
It's an emasculating term used to express white dominance throughout the slave and Jim Crow era South. As I said, if Bill had been an older Southern man, I'd have thought it was very much racial. He's not, so I figured it was unintentional.
Gotcha. Didn't even know that was a thing. I thought southerners called everyone "boy".
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2016, 03:34:46 PM
Gotcha. Didn't even know that was a thing. I thought southerners called everyone "boy".We don't call girls that.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 08, 2016, 04:30:04 PM
TLDR
TLDR: MLK jr says "Don't call me boy"
Post by: JFIF on February 08, 2016, 05:02:59 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2016, 12:55:16 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2016, 01:05:57 PM
He is race baiting scum. I have to hear about his garbage comments on a daily basis from misinformed youth.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 09, 2016, 01:06:25 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2016, 01:11:50 PM
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They won't show this picture because it shows a young black man gracious in defeat although he was later overcome by emotions which is totally understandable except for the white racist media
Post by: Pope on February 09, 2016, 01:15:03 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 09, 2016, 02:51:12 PM
Aaaaaaaand it's gone.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 19, 2016, 09:48:59 AM
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Authorities worked Wednesday to identify at least four people who attacked and robbed a decorated former Marine at a Washington, D.C. McDonald’s, leaving him in the restaurant unconscious.
Christopher Marquez, 30, an Iraq War vet, told the Washington Post he was eating in a back corner of the restaurant on Friday when a group of teens and young men approached his table.
"They saw me and crowded around ... and they started asking me if I believed black lives matter,” Marquez told the paper. “I was ignoring them, then they started calling me racist."
At that point, Marquez said he left the McDonald's, but was knocked unconscious by a blow to his head. When he came to, his pants were ripped and his wallet, which contained $400 in cash, three credit cards and VA medical card among other items, was missing.
DeAnthony Mason, manager of the McDonald’s, reviewed security footage and told Marquez that he was hit on the side of the head before the other teens converged on his body to take his belongings, The Daily Caller reports.
Credit card transactions reviewed by The Daily Caller revealed that Marquez’s cards later were charged more than $115 at a liquor store, Five Guys and a Walmart.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2016, 09:51:29 AM
#IgnorantBlackLivesMatter
Post by: Pope on February 19, 2016, 10:17:40 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 19, 2016, 11:16:31 AM
Shithead thugs.
Post by: Tommy on February 19, 2016, 12:25:24 PM
A liquor store, Five Guys, and Walmart. They really went all out.
Shithead thugs.
The article doesn't mention their race, so it very well could've been a group of white angry bloggers.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 19, 2016, 12:40:19 PM
The article doesn't mention their race, so it very well could've been a group of white angry bloggers.
They'd still be shithead thugs.
Post by: MBGreen on February 21, 2016, 12:28:56 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 29, 2016, 08:58:42 AM
Post by: Coach K on February 29, 2016, 09:48:08 AM
And in context the lynch jokes were on point .
Oh well. I thought he gave jabs all around
"Jada said it's not fair Will didn't get nominated for Concussion. I agree. You know what else isn't fair ? The fact Will got paid 20 million for Wild Wild West . Jada saying she won't attend the Oscars is like me saying I won't be going after Rihanna s panties. Neither one of us were incited in the first place "
Paraphrasing but essentially close enough.
It's actually slightly more mild than I was expecting .
Didn't watch any of it. Just looked up the winners . I definitely need to see Spotlight . Never got around to it.
But yeah I saw the opening speech and liked it .
Post by: MBGreen on February 29, 2016, 09:54:47 AM
Post by: Pope on February 29, 2016, 10:13:51 AM
Lol I thought Rock killed it . I only saw the 10 minute opening speech .The opening bit was great, it was the beating of the proverbial dead horse that went on for three hours after that which annoyed people. 95% of the acts were the same tired 'white people are assholes' shtick
And in context the lynch jokes were on point .
Oh well. I thought he gave jabs all around
"Jada said it's not fair Will didn't get nominated for Concussion. I agree. You know what else isn't fair ? The fact Will got paid 20 million for Wild Wild West . Jada saying she won't attend the Oscars is like me saying I won't be going after Rihanna s panties. Neither one of us were incited in the first place "
Paraphrasing but essentially close enough.
It's actually slightly more mild than I was expecting .
Didn't watch any of it. Just looked up the winners . I definitely need to see Spotlight . Never got around to it.
But yeah I saw the opening speech and liked it .
Post by: Miamipuck on February 29, 2016, 10:17:37 AM
The opening bit was great, it was the beating of the proverbial dead horse that went on for three hours after that which annoyed people. 95% of the acts were the same tired 'we are assholes' shtick
That's this forum in a nutshell.
Post by: Pope on February 29, 2016, 10:18:33 AM
Post by: Coach K on February 29, 2016, 10:39:07 AM
That's this forum in a nutshell.
5 honkeys.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 29, 2016, 11:06:48 AM
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Post by: Badger on February 29, 2016, 11:29:42 AM
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Whiny faggots.
Rock had every right to make that joke.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 29, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
5 honkeys.
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 29, 2016, 12:11:23 PM
Whiny faggots.
Rock had every right to make that joke.
The reaction is awesome. This whole thing pleases me.
Post by: Tommy on February 29, 2016, 12:56:03 PM
The guy simultaneously made a big deal out of the issue and made both sides look stupid for making a big deal out of the issue. Everyone got hit. The biggest takeaway is that Hollywood is a smug bunch of self-important assholes who don't walk the walk on half the excrement they preach, and today's overly sensitive atmosphere both implies a hell of a lot of progress and belittles the strides that were made beforehand. Like I said, he excrement on everyone. It was great. The people who are upset about it have taken a side on the issue, and that's fine. IMO they're all stupid.
When you put it that way I can now sort of appreciate it.
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 29, 2016, 01:49:42 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 29, 2016, 01:52:22 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 29, 2016, 02:32:44 PM
"King: Racey Racism Racist Raceyist Racey Black Racism White Racist"
Post by: Miamipuck on March 08, 2016, 08:04:45 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2016, 01:40:54 PM
- Jason Whitlock, 2006
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If the Duke lacrosse players were black and the accuser were white, everyone would easily see the similarities between this case and the alleged crimes that often left black men hanging from trees in the early 1900s.
That is not written to exonerate the lacrosse players of the rape allegations they face. I don’t know what happened inside that house. But I do know that the investigation, the posturing by black activists and the political gains by the district attorney – Mike Nifong won his democratic re-election bid on Tuesday – make me uncomfortable.
Seriously, this case seems like an updated re-enactment of “To Kill a Mockingbird.” Just imagine it is 1940 (or 2006), and two white escorts/strippers with criminal records have a run-in with a group of drunken black college students. One of the strippers calls the police – with the other stripper present – and complains that the drunken black college students called her names. Ninety minutes later, without further interaction with the college students, the second stripper tells police that three of the students raped her.
Immediately, the district attorney announces that the college boys – who all probably vote well outside the DA’s district or don’t have the right to vote – are guilty and they have a history of rowdy behavior.
If this were 1940, an angry white lynch mob would then gather at the scene of the alleged crime and promise to dole out justice to anyone they suspected of playing a role in the crime. In 2006, mixed-race prayer vigils and protests were held, and black community activists pressured the district attorney to dole out justice to anyone they suspected played a role in the alleged crime.
The fact that one of the arrested suspects seems to have an airtight alibi – a cabbie, cell phone records, an ATM receipt and record of entrance into his dorm room – is completely ignored. So is the fact that the other stripper clearly has questionable motives and is interested in seeing if she can “spin” this tragedy to her advantage and possibly make a little cash.
If this were 1940, a well-meaning white group would take sympathy on the alleged victim, a mother of two, and promise her a job. The KKK would promise to protect her from those black animals. In 2006, Jesse Jackson promised the accuser an academic scholarship, and a group purporting to be the Black Panther Party promised to protect her from those white animals.
Again, I don’t know what happened inside that house.
But I do know that Martin Luther King Jr. and many, many others of all races did not die so that the poor, black and oppressed could surrender the moral high ground and attempt to inflict injustice on the privileged. If that is indeed the game, someone needs to warn Jesse and the good people of Durham, N.C., that it’s a game that the poor, black and oppressed cannot win.
When it comes to American justice, it is foolish for black people to choose sides based on race. We’re far better served being on the side of justice at all times and complaining when it doesn’t arrive at our doorstep rather than rooting for injustice to befall the privileged. If the Duke lacrosse players are innocent of sexual assault and are somehow forced into a plea agreement or conviction, it’s a mistake to believe that the middle income or wealthy will somehow grasp that the poor of all races face similar injustice on a daily basis.
Well, let me restate that. They’re well aware of it. The deeper understanding of it won’t cause them to readjust their attitudes or take action to enact change. To the contrary, if anything, what is happening in Durham is further polarizing the haves from the have-nots, white from black. It’s justifying racism. It’s justifying a mind-set that states: Do it to them because they’d do it to you.
No one can deny the effectiveness of the high road. Martin Luther King Jr. drove it, and his drive created the freedoms and opportunities that too many of us take for granted now. It takes real courage to maintain the moral high ground, to avoid resorting to selfdestructive violence or revenge, to hold on to your dignity, ethics and principles.
Do we understand that? Do we, black people, understand the brilliance and necessity of Martin’s dream any better than the people who despised him when he was alive and claim to love him now? If we do, then we need to be pressuring the authorities to pursue justice in the Duke lacrosse case regardless of where that pursuit leads.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 15, 2016, 01:42:34 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2016, 01:56:04 PM
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The cost of orchestrating an in-your-face, disrespectful and non-strategic civil rights campaign via Twitter is now coming into view.
Maybe now the well-intentioned youth swept up in the Black Lives Matter propaganda will realize the most sophisticated and surveilled country on the planet (USA) won’t be revolutionized in the same 140-character fashion as a CIA-manipulated outpost in Northern Africa (Tunisia). Maybe now the young people who define pro-black as anti-white and dismiss any thoughtful admonishment as respectability politics will begin to recognize the courage and wisdom of strategic civil disobedience.
The Twitter slingshot Black Lives Matter brought to a drone fight has failed to duplicate the “Arab Spring.” It has wrought “Trump Winter.”
Congrats, Black Lives Matter! You didn’t lie. You told us this wouldn’t be our grandparents’ civil rights movement, a movement that produced voting rights, access to schools and eventually President Obama.
Diss-respect, race-bait politics has drastically expanded the Republican base, moved Donald Trump close to the White House and crippled the University of Missouri’s budget. DeRay McKesson and the other BLM activists are the toast of the Tea Party. What the Tea Party couldn’t do in 2012, BLM has done with an ease and swiftness that brings a wide smile to the face of white bigots. Four years after America re-elected a black president by a wide margin, America is as racially polarized as we’ve seen it in 40 years. This isn’t America post-Rodney King or OJ Simpson verdict. Those were one-offs, moments of division sparked by singular events.
America’s mood and spirit now feel hopeless and resigned to racial polarization. We feel like a country that has given up on the melting pot, especially one that includes black and white ingredients. We’re immersed in the celebration of demagoguery and the vilification of each race. Race bait is the media’s cottage industry.
What happened?
Full article:
http://j.school/post/140818405005/concerned-grownup-2016-questions-tacticsresults
Post by: Heismanberg on March 16, 2016, 11:54:15 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2016, 11:58:09 AM
Post by: Tommy on March 16, 2016, 12:02:06 PM
I guess you'll say anything to back your family.
He din do nuttin
Post by: Pope on March 16, 2016, 12:21:11 PM
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2016, 12:37:33 PM
Full article:
http://j.school/post/140818405005/concerned-grownup-2016-questions-tacticsresults
That's an interesting argument.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 22, 2016, 12:32:16 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/22/parents-educators-rally-behind-teacher-suspended-for-racist-social-media-posts.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/22/parents-educators-rally-behind-teacher-suspended-for-racist-social-media-posts.html)
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Calls for the resignation of a Minnesota superintendent grew on Monday, after a high school teacher was suspended for social media posts deemed racist by the Black Lives Matter activist group.
Theodore "Theo" Olson, a special education teacher at Como Park High School in St. Paul, Minn., was placed on administrative leave March 9 over two posts he wrote on Facebook about student discipline in the school district.
The posts were deemed offensive by former school board candidate turned Black Lives Matter activist Rashad Turner who reportedly accused Olson of being a racist. Turner said Olson’s posts show he is “the epitome of a bad teacher” and a “white supremacist,” EAGnews.org reported.
According to the website, Olson wrote on Facebook, “Anyone care to explain to me the school-to-prison pipeline my colleagues and I have somehow created, or perpetuated, or not done enough to interrupt? Because if you can’t prove it, the campaigns you’ve waged to deconstruct adult authority in my building by enabling student misconduct, you seriously owe us real teachers an apology. Actually, an apology won’t cut it.”
"Phones and iPad devices, used for social media and gaming," wrote Olson. "There have always been rules for ‘devices,’ and defined levels of misconduct. Since we now have no backup, no functional location to send kids who won’t quit gaming, setting up fights, selling drugs, whoring trains, or cyber bullying, we’re screwed, just designing our own classroom rules.”
The group, Black Lives Matter St. Paul, charged that Olson portrayed students as drug dealers and gang bangers in his Facebook posts about a lack of district support in discipline matters, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported (http://www.startribune.com/black-lives-matter-leader-to-meet-monday-with-st-paul-schools-superintendent-silva/371222151/). Black Lives Matter had threatened a “shut-down action” at the school if Olson was not fired, but the group did not follow through with it after Turner reportedly met with St. Paul superintendent Valeria Silva.
In an email Monday to FoxNews.com, Silva's office said Olson was placed on administrative leave and that the district "is currently conducting an investigation." No further comment was provided.
Parents and teachers, meanwhile, are rallying behind Olson -- and calling for the resignation of Silva in an online Change.org petition (http://eagnews.org/parents-defend-teacher-targeted-by-black-lives-matter-demand-supt-resign-over-school-violence/). The petition had 742 signatures as of Monday afternoon.
"This petition has been started because the current incumbent Valeria Silva has constantly demonstrated her inability to drive improvements in local St Paul schools," the petition reads.
"Her inability to make changes to benefit the teachers and students include, but are not limited to, rapid increase in violence towards students and teachers; the lack of support for teachers; the removal of disciplinary actions for violent students, and the lack of transparency between her and protagonists such as Rashad Turner," the petition says.
The same day Olson was placed on administrative leave, another Como Park High School teacher, Mark Rawlings, was beaten by students when he attempted to intervene in an alleged drug deal. Rawlings suffered a concussion and was hospitalized for injuries suffered during the altercation. The two students were charged with felony assault, according to CityPages.com (http://www.citypages.com/news/teachers-parents-believe-suspended-teacher-theo-olson-got-a-raw-deal-8119337). The final few minutes of the fight were captured on video (http://www.citypages.com/news/como-park-high-school-teacher-slammed-during-fight-with-students-video-8114076).
Parents and teachers have expressed an outpouring of support for Olson since he was suspended.
“The teachers at Como are outstanding, and for a long time they have not felt free to speak up and defend students’ rights,” parent Jane Sommerville told CityPages.com. “When Theo posted his post, he was expressing his frustration with St. Paul Public Schools."
"I could see that a lot of people were misconstruing what he said, and I stand for the heart of what he posted, that school climate is a major issue in St. Paul Public Schools and it is not being addressed," Sommerville said.
“He meant to say there just isn’t enough support from the school district and administration. There aren’t the social workers, the counselors, the support staff, or a discipline policy that is effective for schools,” added Randolph Heights special education teacher JoAnn Nathan said.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on March 22, 2016, 06:04:22 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 23, 2016, 10:48:28 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 23, 2016, 01:14:17 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 07, 2016, 07:04:53 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 07, 2016, 08:38:02 PM
Post by: Tommy on April 07, 2016, 09:49:58 PM
Good on him.
I still have no idea what the BLM movement is protesting against.
Post by: Pope on April 07, 2016, 10:00:08 PM
I still have no idea what the BLM movement is protesting against.Neither do they
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2016, 10:30:24 PM
I still have no idea what the BLM movement is protesting against.
The Jews
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 07, 2016, 10:48:51 PM
I still have no idea what the BLM movement is protesting against.
That's because they have no leadership, and in the age of everyone having a voice, formless and leaderless groups will spring into existence bound by nothing more than a hashtag.
I imagine you have an insane number of different opinions of what they're actually fighting for, and the most vocal ones are going to be the attention grabbing nutso ones.
It's a weird collection of angry people who have no one to coalesce them into an organization with a sense of direction and purpose. There's a legitimate complaint in there, but they haven't the faintest clue how to make it.
Post by: Johnny English on April 07, 2016, 11:05:13 PM
That's because they have no leadership, and in the age of everyone having a voice, formless and leaderless groups will spring into existence bound by nothing more than a hashtag.
I imagine you have an insane number of different opinions of what they're actually fighting for, and the most vocal ones are going to be the attention grabbing nutso ones.
It's a weird collection of angry people who have no one to coalesce them into an organization with a sense of direction and purpose. There's a legitimate complaint in there, but they haven't the faintest clue how to make it.
I suspect you just described a lot of groups, including the likes of ISIS and Anonymous. The funny thing is that despite this mess, they're considerably more effective at generating publicity, support and outcomes than those with organisation, leadership, hierarchy and history.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 08, 2016, 01:57:50 AM
I suspect you just described a lot of groups, including the likes of ISIS and Anonymous. The funny thing is that despite this mess, they're considerably more effective at generating publicity, support and outcomes than those with organisation, leadership, hierarchy and history.
ISIS doesn't have a leader? al-Baghdadi will be hurt to hear that.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 19, 2016, 07:26:41 PM
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http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/19/media/shaun-king-daily-news-plagiarism-accusations/index.html?iid=Lead
Hoooooly excrement
Post by: bojanglesman on April 19, 2016, 09:53:06 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 21, 2016, 06:04:04 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 21, 2016, 08:14:31 AM
Post by: Tommy on April 21, 2016, 09:04:54 AM
http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,21001531,00.html
The whole idea behind a channel dedicated to "Black" television is stupid. I feel like they pretty much just segregated themselves. In the 70s/80s/90s some of the most popular shows on TV were all black casts, now those shows have been either relegated to BET or Tyler Perry's horseshit shows.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 21, 2016, 09:46:31 AM
The whole idea behind a channel dedicated to "Black" television is stupid. I feel like they pretty much just segregated themselves. In the 70s/80s/90s some of the most popular shows on TV were all black casts, now those shows have been either relegated to BET or Tyler Perry's horseshit shows.
There are still all black shows on network TV, but nothing like you used to see. Part of the problem is that TV has changed and scripted shows (especially comedy) have increasingly disappeared from network TV. I don't think the proportion of all black shows has changed much, but they're not as popular as they were.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 21, 2016, 09:52:07 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 21, 2016, 09:52:40 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 21, 2016, 09:54:18 AM
Edit: they weren't sitcoms......In Living Color and Chapelle.
Post by: Hemi on April 21, 2016, 11:02:58 AM
Post by: Badger on April 21, 2016, 11:21:12 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 21, 2016, 12:45:46 PM
Bernie Mac's show was solid.
Everybody Hates Chris was excellent, but it never got a big audience.
Post by: Tommy on April 21, 2016, 12:48:34 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 21, 2016, 08:21:01 PM
Is it ?
Post by: Tommy on April 22, 2016, 10:19:13 AM
I just thank god that Tyler Perrys excrement isnt on tv anymore
Is it ?
Even if it is, why do you care? Just don't watch.
Funny thing about those shows is how he accentuates all the stereotypes people have about black people. If a white person made those shows they'd be called a massive racist.
Post by: guinness77 on April 22, 2016, 10:23:02 AM
Even if it is, why do you care? Just don't watch.You watch Tyler Perry shows?
Funny thing about those shows is how he accentuates all the stereotypes people have about black people. If a white person made those shows they'd be called a massive racist.
/mind blown
Post by: Tommy on April 22, 2016, 10:26:00 AM
You watch Tyler Perry shows?
/mind blown
My parents do, believe it or not.
Post by: Jumbo on April 22, 2016, 10:31:00 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 22, 2016, 11:17:33 AM
Even if it is, why do you care? Just don't watch.
Funny thing about those shows is how he accentuates all the stereotypes people have about black people. If a white person made those shows they'd be called a massive racist.
Quick, name a show making fun of white stereotypes created by black people.
Post by: Tommy on April 22, 2016, 11:26:09 AM
Quick, name a show making fun of white stereotypes created by black people.
Not a show, but any movie by Spike Lee.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 22, 2016, 11:35:01 AM
Not a show, but any movie by Spike Lee.
Spike Lee gets called a racist all the time. Half his movies have nothing to do with white people, and half the ones that do have nothing to do with white stereotypes.
You're talking about Do The Right Thing here and trying to make it his entire filmography. Again. Race relations between blacks and whites are the focus of way fewer of his movies than you'd like to think.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2016, 01:58:47 PM
I thought Madea Goes to Jail was alright, but A Madea Christmas and Boo! A Madea Halloween are definitely in my top 3
Tyler Perry is basically the black Ernest
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 22, 2016, 02:11:07 PM
Post by: Tommy on April 22, 2016, 02:26:18 PM
I hate when white people cry about white stereotypes. White stereotypes aren't even bad. We have no rhythm and are generally in a position of power. Makes me feel oh so bad about the history of my race.
Common white stereotype: we're racist.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 22, 2016, 02:57:42 PM
Common white stereotype: we're racist.
You're really doing your part to bust that one, aren't you?
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 22, 2016, 03:16:07 PM
Common white stereotype: we're racist.
That one is obviously true. I can think of at least 5 people I know who are terribly racist but if you asked them they would say they aren't at all.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2016, 04:55:27 PM
Unless you ask coach of course, in which case only white people are racist
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 22, 2016, 05:24:43 PM
The reality is everyone is racist. White people just get the most flak because they're an easy target, and are the predominant force in the most powerful nation in the world.
Unless you ask coach of course, in which case only white people are racist
Everyone is absolutely prejudiced. The reason white people get the most flak is because they control the power structure that can actually act on that prejudice. At this point, the system itself keeps minorities down. White people themselves don't have to do anything to perpetuate it.
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 05:35:04 PM
If you think that everyone's racist then I suspect it says a lot more about you than it does everyone else.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2016, 05:44:51 PM
How is everyone prejudiced? I don't decide what I think about people based on their skin colour, I decide what I think about them based on whether they're cunts or not. People who are cunts come in all different colours, so do people who are not cunts. I'm of the opinion that a significant amount of people feel this way.
If you think that everyone's racist then I suspect it says a lot more about you than it does everyone else.
People who don't think everyone is prejudiced are absolutely freaking delusional.
It doesn't mean everyone is riding around in pickup trucks with their white robes on, but people are inherently and naturally prejudiced. How they act on it is a different story.
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 05:49:18 PM
People who don't think everyone is prejudiced are absolutely freaking delusional.
It doesn't mean everyone is riding around in pickup trucks with their white robes on, but people are inherently and naturally prejudiced. How they act on it is a different story.
I wasn't talking to you, I know you're a silly little child and I get that having barely come off momma's teat you'd have no idea about the real world, good or bad.
I was talking to Iggy, whose views I actually have some respect for.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2016, 05:54:21 PM
I wasn't talking to you, I know you're a silly little child and I get that having barely come off momma's teat you'd have no idea about the real world, good or bad.
I was talking to Iggy, whose views I actually have some respect for.
At least you can "blame" my age for my naivety. Whats your excuse ?
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 05:58:42 PM
At least you can "blame" my age for my naivety. Whats your excuse ?
I'm not blaming your age, if anything it's excusing your idiocy. I'm talking about actual world experience, you're parroting brainless ideas you've learned elsewhere and adopted because they make you feel good. I know this, because I was a nasty little right wing excrement when I was in my mid twenties as well. Then I went and saw some of the world.
Tell me, dcm, given your extensive experience of the world, just what has led you to the conclusion that "everyone is racist"?
Post by: JFIF on April 22, 2016, 06:01:10 PM
we all have subconscious prejudices. This conversation has been done before with Mark Cuban talking about crossing the street etc.
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 06:03:58 PM
DCM isn't wrong.
we all have subconscious prejudices. This conversation has been done before with Mark Cuban talking about crossing the street etc.
Yeah, he is. So is Iggy, and so are you. You can justify your prejudices by saying "everyone has them" but it doesn't make it more true. Sometimes you just have to unlearn them.
Post by: Jumbo on April 22, 2016, 06:10:11 PM
Yeah, he is. So is Iggy, and so are you. You can justify your prejudices by saying "everyone has them" but it doesn't make it more true. Sometimes you just have to unlearn them.
You guys aren't disagreeing.
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 06:11:36 PM
You guys aren't disagreeing.
The original statement was that "everyone is racist". That's patently bullshit.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2016, 06:25:28 PM
I'm not blaming your age, if anything it's excusing your idiocy. I'm talking about actual world experience, you're parroting brainless ideas you've learned elsewhere and adopted because they make you feel good. I know this, because I was a nasty little right wing excrement when I was in my mid twenties as well. Then I went and saw some of the world.
Tell me, dcm, given your extensive experience of the world, just what has led you to the conclusion that "everyone is racist"?
Just so were clear on me being a "little right wing excrement"
Im for gay marriage (but think a "reasonable" compromise would be to call it something else ie civi union with the EXACT same benefits as real marriage)
For access to preventative healthcare (but people should also have to take some responsibility for their own health)
Against pretty much all these retarded pro-religious laws (although I acknowledge religion does have some positive benefits as well)
Think people who deny global warming are mentally insane (but dont want this to be an excuse to be anti all industry/gas/energy etc)
Pro choice (although I think abortions are generally disgusting and wildly abused, but I think this shouldnt be an excuse to give planned parent hood a blank check)
Could give two fucks about guns and what they do with them, I just think people who chose to blame guns for everything are misguided and have no idea what theyre talking about.
Generally speaking I think my viewpoints have moved SUBSTANTIALLY to the left. I despise both parties, although no questionably I hate the left more. I think the rights just freaking retarded and lets some stupid derriere religious views hijack the party which hurts this country from having reasonable economic policy.
Honestly the simplest way to describe my political views is low government spending + low taxing. Neither party does that at all whatsoever. All the social issues are just nonsense that we really should just leave to women and liberals (not that theres much of a difference) to bitch about
Post by: Tommy on April 22, 2016, 06:27:20 PM
Everyone is absolutely prejudiced. The reason white people get the most flak is because they control the power structure that can actually act on that prejudice. At this point, the system itself keeps minorities down. White people themselves don't have to do anything to perpetuate it.
Damn system keeping those pesky Indians and Asians down.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2016, 06:31:33 PM
I tend to oversimplify both by equating the two
Post by: Tommy on April 22, 2016, 06:31:56 PM
The original statement was that "everyone is racist". That's patently bullshit.
You're on a plane. A guy gets up and shouts "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit!" You think "Wow, what a weirdo."
Same plane. Some guy gets up and shouts "Allah Akbar!" You excrement your pants.
If you disagree then you're full of excrement.
Everyone has prejudices as you say, but I agree that not everyone is racist. Racism is acting on those prejudices. Not wanting to live next door to a black family because they may be violet or whatever is racist. Not wanting to live in an all black neighborhood because those tend to have higher levels of violence is not racist, but prejudiced. There's a difference.
Post by: Badger on April 22, 2016, 06:33:12 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 06:37:43 PM
And fine ill concede that everyone is prejudiced is a far better statement than my original that everyone is racist.
I tend to oversimplify both by equating the two
OK, I can respect a lot of that. I even agree with some of it (and some less so, obviously).
I think there are lots of degrees of prejudice, many real and many not. I don't give a freak about skin colour - in fact one of the reasons we moved to where we did is because where we lived before is so incredibly white, the lack of diversity (restaurants, bars, music, festivals etc - the excrement we like doing) made it very boring at times.
I will happily say that I freaking hate scousers (people from Liverpool). They're a bunch of thieving pricks who still have to apologise for Heysel and freak everything about them, especially their stupid freaking accent. I also know several people from Liverpool and they're all lovely people. I'd never mark someone down that I was interviewing just because they were from Liverpool (unless it involved handling cash, obviously). I'm not sure if that's really prejudice though.
Post by: JFIF on April 22, 2016, 06:38:15 PM
Yeah, he is. So is Iggy, and so are you. You can justify your prejudices by saying "everyone has them" but it doesn't make it more true. Sometimes you just have to unlearn them.
You demonstrate prejudice all the time, including the way you just scolded dcm because of his history and not what he was actually saying. Which is fine, it makes you human. Or halfling or whatever
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
You're on a plane. A guy gets up and shouts "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit!" You think "Wow, what a weirdo."
Same plane. Some guy gets up and shouts "Allah Akbar!" You excrement your pants.
If you disagree then you're full of excrement.
No, I actually disagree. I think they're both freaking weird. But I grew up on the outskirts of Bradford which is the largest Muslim community in the UK (or was at the time, Birmingham may be bigger now). Muslims aren't scary to me, Islam has always been around my life and it's no scarier than any other religion. I get that your experiences are different but it's entirely unreasonable to assume that everyone who hasn't had the same experiences as you is lying.
Post by: JFIF on April 22, 2016, 06:41:27 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 06:42:20 PM
JE has no prejudices. If he bumped into Gucci Mane on the street he would think to himself "that young man could be a doctor for all I know."
If prejudice is assuming that someone who has stupid facial tattoos (it's the ice cream dude, right?) is a tosser, then OK. I'm guilty.
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 06:46:11 PM
You demonstrate prejudice all the time, including the way you just scolded dcm because of his history and not what he was actually saying. Which is fine, it makes you human. Or halfling or whatever
You heightist bastard.
I don't think that scolding dcm is prejudice, it's addressing a particular expressed view with a vehement disagreement based upon what little I know or have guessed about him. I've also completely accepted his modified version of his views and respect the fact that he was willing to explain them in more accurate and reasonable language, because for all that I disagree with him the one thing I';m sure he's not is stupid.
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 06:47:28 PM
People aren't prejudice. People don't have the penchant for greed. People are beautiful flowers
Not all of them, some are massive cunts. Prejudice is assuming that an entire group of them are based upon a single shared characteristic.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2016, 06:54:37 PM
You heightist bastard.
I don't think that scolding dcm is prejudice, it's addressing a particular expressed view with a vehement disagreement based upon what little I know or have guessed about him. I've also completely accepted his modified version of his views and respect the fact that he was willing to explain them in more accurate and reasonable language, because for all that I disagree with him the one thing I';m sure he's not is stupid.
Isn't guessing about someone essentially the definition of being prejudice?
Post by: JFIF on April 22, 2016, 06:57:12 PM
Not all of them, some are massive cunts. Prejudice is assuming that an entire group of them are based upon a single shared characteristic.
no. prejudice is often the thought that it CAN be, not definitely is. That it is *likely* certain people share a certain characteristic.
And that can often be true. Culturally, genetically, whatever. There is empirical data to support the likelyhood of many "prejudices", while others are just completely inane and based on stupid excrement like the bible.
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 06:58:02 PM
Isn't guessing about someone essentially the definition of being prejudice?
Guessing based upon what you've said about yourself and the opinions you've expressed. I'm only working with what you've given me. That's not prejudice.
Post by: JFIF on April 22, 2016, 06:58:34 PM
do you assume he's mentally ill? Well, that's prejudice.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2016, 06:59:35 PM
Guessing based upon what you've said about yourself and the opinions you've expressed. I'm only working with what you've given me. That's not prejudice.
Guess what im wearing
Oh wait, only Heismanberg likes when I talk to him like that.
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 07:03:52 PM
guy with tattoo on face. no prejudice towarsd that person?
do you assume he's mentally ill? Well, that's prejudice.
No, I accept the possibility that he's mentally ill. It's equally possible that he's just a complete tosser. It's also possible that he's a really nice guy. You've been around the internet, have you ever seen that picture that periodically does the rounds on Reddit of the ginger dude with the massive lip ring through which a snake is slithering? Good friend of mine. Lovely dude. Can not get my head round why he would do any of those things.
Facial tattoos are not a thing that would make me gravitate towards someone. If I meet them in a social situation I'm absolutely going to assume that they're a nice person until they give me reason to think otherwise though. Especially if they're a chick, because in my very limited experience women with freaky tattoos and piercing are filth.
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 07:04:33 PM
Guess what im wearing
Oh wait, only Heismanberg likes when I talk to him like that.
Gold sequinned daisy dukes and nipple tassles.
I'm close, aren't I?
Post by: JFIF on April 22, 2016, 07:04:52 PM
Not all of them, some are massive cunts. Prejudice is assuming that an entire group of them are based upon a single shared characteristic.
What I fail to understand is that someone as opinionated and judgmental as you, as well as intelligent, can't see the absurdity of saying prejudice doesn't exist in everyone.
Humans are naturally judgmental at their core. It's part of species survival.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 22, 2016, 07:05:14 PM
Gold sequinned daisy dukes and nipple tassles.
I'm close, aren't I?
Cheater, clearly you knew Heisman was coming over tonight
Post by: JFIF on April 22, 2016, 07:06:28 PM
No, I accept the possibility that he's mentally ill. It's equally possible that he's just a complete tosser. It's also possible that he's a really nice guy. You've been around the internet, have you ever seen that picture that periodically does the rounds on Reddit of the ginger dude with the massive lip ring through which a snake is slithering? Good friend of mine. Lovely dude. Can not get my head round why he would do any of those things.
Facial tattoos are not a thing that would make me gravitate towards someone. If I meet them in a social situation I'm absolutely going to assume that they're a nice person until they give me reason to think otherwise though. Especially if they're a chick, because in my very limited experience women with freaky tattoos and piercing are filth.
Assuming that's true, and you can achieve this amazing level of global acceptance, it doesn't change that MOST people are incapable of that. That's even accepting that your premise is true.
I'm not talking about a thought out typed response. I'm talking about visceral reactions when seeing somebody in a certain situation.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 22, 2016, 07:08:58 PM
If he says he has no prejudice, he's full of excrement.
Post by: Johnny English on April 22, 2016, 07:11:57 PM
JE once told me that every adult skater is a piece of excrement. Just by virtue of riding a skateboard. He also said France is an amazing country except for the people.
If he says he has no prejudice, he's full of excrement.
Ha.
I also think that Patriots and Liverpool fans are the scum of the earth, except that I love Boston and my best man is a Liverpool fan. Entertaining hyperbole and actual prejudice are not the same thing. I'm very far from perfect, but I'd like to think I take people as I find them.
Although grown men who ride skateboards are weird and Liverpool fans are definitely thieving scum.
Post by: guinness77 on April 23, 2016, 11:14:05 AM
Ha.Bhahaha
I also think that Patriots and Liverpool fans are the scum of the earth, except that I love Boston and my best man is a Liverpool fan. Entertaining hyperbole and actual prejudice are not the same thing. I'm very far from perfect, but I'd like to think I take people as I find them.
Although grown men who ride skateboards are weird and Liverpool fans are definitely thieving scum.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 23, 2016, 12:14:32 PM
Bhahaha
X2
Post by: Pope on April 23, 2016, 06:24:50 PM
Where is your god now?
Post by: JFIF on April 24, 2016, 05:05:56 PM
JE once told me that every adult skater is a piece of excrement. Just by virtue of riding a skateboard. He also said France is an amazing country except for the people.
If he says he has no prejudice, he's full of excrement.
he's right about France. At least Parisians
the french in the south tend to be more laid back
Post by: Tommy on April 24, 2016, 05:11:59 PM
he's right about France. At least Parisians
the french in the south tend to be more laid back
I thought this until I actually visited Paris. Most people were pretty nice.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 24, 2016, 08:44:04 PM
I thought this until I actually visited Paris. Most people were pretty nice.
They recognized the poopchute in you Tommy, you were one of their own.
Post by: Tommy on April 24, 2016, 08:46:38 PM
They recognized the poopchute in you Tommy, you were one of their own.
That actually makes a ton of sense now.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 05, 2016, 06:35:11 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 05, 2016, 08:44:26 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 08, 2016, 07:01:40 PM
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/05/07/us/07WESTPOINT/07WESTPOINT-master768-v2.jpg)
This is the cliffnotes
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The gesture, posted on Facebook and Twitter last week, touched off a barrage of criticism in and out of the armed forces as some commenters accused the women of allying themselves with the Black Lives Matter movement and sowing racial divisions in a military that relies on assimilation.
West Point opened an investigation on April 28 into whether the women violated Army rules that prohibit political activities while in uniform. Now, as the women wait to hear if they will be punished, they are gaining supporters who say they were simply making a gesture of solidarity and strength.
Post by: Badger on May 08, 2016, 07:55:22 PM
Post by: Badger on May 13, 2016, 06:33:32 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2016, 08:49:11 PM
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/05/15/dartmouth-pro-police-display-torn-down-by-black-lives-matter-activists/
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A display created by Dartmouth College Republicans to honor fallen police officers was torn down by Black Lives Matter activists and replaced with a hateful message about honoring the "perpetrators" of anti-black violence.
The Republicans reserved space on the campus bulletin board and followed all school regulations. But the BLM radicals removed the display without permission, saying that it was "offensive" to blacks and "white supremacist."
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At the bottom, the display said in big letters, “BLUE LIVES MATTER.”
This last part of the display appears to have outraged Black Lives Matter supporters at Dartmouth, several of whom vocally complained on Twitter and Facebook that the display was offensive and even “white supremacist.”
But Black Lives Matter did more than just complain, they also took action. The original display was torn down Friday morning, at about 11 a.m, and in its place almost three dozen sheets of paper were used to cover the bulletin board, all of them carrying an identical message: “YOU CANNOT CO-OPT THE MOVEMENT AGAINST STATE VIOLENCE TO MEMORIALIZE THE PERPETRATORS.” At the bottom, each sheet also had the hashtag “#blacklivesmatter” printed on it.
The Black Lives Matter activists declared that the original display had been “censored on behalf of the students,” according to an eyewitness who spoke with The Daily Caller News Foundation.
Dartmouth’s College Republicans quickly released a statement via Facebook denouncing the stunt.
“As an organization, we took the time and effort to obtain proper approval for the display while putting significant thought into its content,” the statement says. “We are dismayed that a group of students would attempt to censor our message while coopting the space for their own purposes.”
Mikala Williams, one of the students involved in tearing down the original display, told The Dartmouth that her action was justified because the original display promoted violence against black people.
“It was taken down by students and replaced because it actively co-opted a movement that is supposed to comment on police brutality against black individuals in this country,” she said. “It took that and by framing that as ‘Blue Lives Matter,’ it normalizes and naturalizes violence against people of color in this country. And that is not okay.”
Post by: Tommy on May 17, 2016, 09:39:37 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2016, 09:41:40 PM
I feel like race relations, or at least the media's portrayal of it, has gotten worse in the last 10 years. I don't get it.
social media
Post by: dcm1602 on May 17, 2016, 09:44:35 PM
I feel like race relations, or at least the media's portrayal of it, has gotten worse in the last 10 years. I don't get it.
Considering Rodney King and OJ Simpson happened in the 90s, were the previous 10 years any better ?
Post by: JFIF on May 17, 2016, 09:46:41 PM
social media
this.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 17, 2016, 11:32:10 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 17, 2016, 11:33:57 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/17/blue-lives-matter-display-defaced-at-dartmouth-college-republicans-say.html
EDIT: And when did Kennedy from MTV become a Fox News personality? Holy excrement, this whole thing is surreal.
Post by: Tommy on May 18, 2016, 06:06:42 AM
Also, holy freak...just looked at the video on Fox News. Did second graders make that display? There is no way that was intended for any purpose other than to stir excrement up:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/17/blue-lives-matter-display-defaced-at-dartmouth-college-republicans-say.html
EDIT: And when did Kennedy from MTV become a Fox News personality? Holy excrement, this whole thing is surreal.
Funny thing is that I'm willing to bet that white BLM members were responsible for that. I can't see the BLM movement attracting black students smart enough to get into schools like Dartmouth.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 18, 2016, 08:53:21 AM
Funny thing is that I'm willing to bet that white BLM members were responsible for that. I can't see the BLM movement attracting black students smart enough to get into schools like Dartmouth.
Dat affirmative action doe
And why not there's tons of incredibly stupid "smart" people. Not to mention it's possible it wasn't by students?
Post by: bojanglesman on May 18, 2016, 09:00:38 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 18, 2016, 10:27:49 AM
Funny thing is that I'm willing to bet that white BLM members were responsible for that. I can't see the BLM movement attracting black students smart enough to get into schools like Dartmouth.
You may be shocked to know that America's best colleges tend to be a hotbed of liberal thought. Highly intelligent people tend to be liberal when they're young, then grow more conservative as they age and leave academia. I'm sure the limited black student population of Dartmouth College includes some very smart students who are caught up in a cause. Causes and protests are de rigueur at all but the most conservative of campuses. Dartmouth is likely the most conservative Ivy League school, but it's still not going to be immune to excess liberalism.
Apparently there's a minority coalition consisting largely of black and Asian students whose leadership has been taking up racial causes on campus:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiWMAJMUgAElPGh.jpg:large)
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 18, 2016, 10:31:54 AM
Dat affirmative action doe
And why not there's tons of incredibly stupid "smart" people. Not to mention it's possible it wasn't by students?
Affirmative action is bullshit in two ways.
1) Unlike what underqualified white people would have you believe, it doesn't result in floods of people on college campuses who simply can't hack it. My school has always been considered one of the best campuses for minority students, blacks in particular. Proportionally speaking, it has a larger than representative black student population. I didn't meet or encounter a single black student who wasn't completely capable of studying there.
2) It focuses on the wrong things. A wealthy black student shouldn't have an advantage over wealthy white students. Affirmative Action should be socioeconomically determined and give a chance to poor students who haven't gotten any. That's a small number of students who benefit from AA, though. Most of the kids I knew came from incredibly poor families and poor schools. They struggled at first, but by their second year they were performing just as well as the kids from Exeter, etc.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 18, 2016, 12:38:28 PM
Affirmative action is bullshit in two ways.
1) Unlike what underqualified white people would have you believe, it doesn't result in floods of people on college campuses who simply can't hack it. My school has always been considered one of the best campuses for minority students, blacks in particular. Proportionally speaking, it has a larger than representative black student population. I didn't meet or encounter a single black student who wasn't completely capable of studying there.
2) It focuses on the wrong things. A wealthy black student shouldn't have an advantage over wealthy white students. Affirmative Action should be socioeconomically determined and give a chance to poor students who haven't gotten any. That's a small number of students who benefit from AA, though. Most of the kids I knew came from incredibly poor families and poor schools. They struggled at first, but by their second year they were performing just as well as the kids from Exeter, etc.
It's been a while since I really read or cared about affirmative action. But I was under the impression that if you looked at GPA, SAT, ACT etc for students going to a college for blacks whites and Asians you would notice a significant difference in their average numbers for each group due to the way colleges want to "promote" diversity.
I honestly don't know how that holds true today
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 18, 2016, 01:37:38 PM
It's been a while since I really read or cared about affirmative action. But I was under the impression that if you looked at GPA, SAT, ACT etc for students going to a college for blacks whites and Asians you would notice a significant difference in their average numbers for each group due to the way colleges want to "promote" diversity.
I honestly don't know how that holds true today
The biggest difference exists between test scores, which makes perfect sense. People with increased opportunity always perform better on standardized tests. The relevant comparison is how they do once they're in that environment. College admissions people pour shitloads of hours into evaluating candidates and crafting a student class that is going to better the college or university. They don't want a middling student from a great school if his potential to rise above isn't as high as a strong student from a weak school. I'm much less of a fan of affirmative action for graduate programs. At that point, you've had 4 years to prove yourself in a much more level setting. If you're still struggling to perform, why be rewarded?
Post by: dcm1602 on May 18, 2016, 02:35:16 PM
The biggest difference exists between test scores, which makes perfect sense. People with increased opportunity always perform better on standardized tests. The relevant comparison is how they do once they're in that environment. College admissions people pour shitloads of hours into evaluating candidates and crafting a student class that is going to better the college or university. They don't want a middling student from a great school if his potential to rise above isn't as high as a strong student from a weak school. I'm much less of a fan of affirmative action for graduate programs. At that point, you've had 4 years to prove yourself in a much more level setting. If you're still struggling to perform, why be rewarded?
Do Indian and Asian people have the best opprotunities then? Because they kick everyone's derriere in standardized test scores.
Post by: Tommy on May 18, 2016, 03:29:39 PM
Do Indian and Asian people have the best opprotunities then? Because they kick everyone's derriere in standardized test scores.
I used to use this argument but most of them come from immigrant families that are very family-centric. Children of African and Haitian immigrants also outperform African-American students. It's a socio-economic issue. Though I think poor Hispanic kids outperform poor African-American ones, though I don't have the stats to back that up.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 18, 2016, 03:31:27 PM
Do Indian and Asian people have the best opprotunities then? Because they kick everyone's derriere in standardized test scores.
Absolutely. They have Asian run prep companies and tutoring facilities where Asian parents send their kids to kick their asses all weekend long. Newer Asian families also tend to settle into areas with a great balance between housing prices and school quality, so those kids do tend to get a better education.
Post by: Badger on May 18, 2016, 05:51:38 PM
The BLM folks got played at Dartmouth. The people who put that up knew exactly what they were doing. "Blue Lives Matter"? They're trying to stir excrement up and pee people off, and the BLM people played right into it by going nuts.
Let's dispel this fiction that the Dartmouth College Republicans don't know what they're doing. They know exactly what they're doing.
But seriously, I agree with you and think it's pretty obvious they were baiting.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 19, 2016, 02:44:21 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-police-protest-violence-39189436
The animals in the anti police movement in the United States need to get crushed before this excrement gets to this level in this country.
You can't have people just attacking the police all the time, it's completely unacceptable in civilized society.
The black lives matter movement is just like the savages in this video, that's the path they're leading this country towards
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 19, 2016, 02:56:59 PM
This is the excrement going on in France
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-police-protest-violence-39189436
The animals in the anti police movement in the United States need to get crushed before this excrement gets to this level in this country.
You can't have people just attacking the police all the time, it's completely unacceptable in civilized society.
The black lives matter movement is just like the savages in this video, that's the path they're leading this country towards
Shut the freak up.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fbi-police-deaths_us_573b53aae4b0646cbeeb02b8
http://www.npr.org/2015/09/17/441196546/is-there-a-war-on-police-the-statistics-say-no
Opposing the BLM movement is fine. Calling them animals and savages is not, especially when the rest of your post is full of excrement.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 19, 2016, 03:02:28 PM
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2016, 03:33:51 PM
Wow. Animals and savages? Really?
And thugs
Post by: bojanglesman on May 19, 2016, 03:40:44 PM
Wow. Animals and savages? Really?
In his defense, French people smell like savages.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 19, 2016, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 19, 2016, 04:03:36 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/19/charles-wade-black-lives-matter-leader-charged-wit/
Underage Sex Matters.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 19, 2016, 04:04:17 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/19/charles-wade-black-lives-matter-leader-charged-wit/
LOL. If it turns out to be true, this could turn out to be one of the best news stories of 2016.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 19, 2016, 05:08:15 PM
Shut the freak up.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fbi-police-deaths_us_573b53aae4b0646cbeeb02b8
http://www.npr.org/2015/09/17/441196546/is-there-a-war-on-police-the-statistics-say-no
Opposing the BLM movement is fine. Calling them animals and savages is not, especially when the rest of your post is full of excrement.
The people in that video isn't BLM, they're some French hippie antipolice douchebags one of whom sets a police car (with two Copa in it) on fire with a flare or some excrement.
I simply said the BLM movement is taking us on the same path as them with its anti police sentiments. Obviously were not at the point that they're at in France, but we have already seen innocent police get murdered just for being cops.
Post by: Tommy on May 19, 2016, 05:18:44 PM
The people in that video isn't BLM, they're some French hippie antipolice douchebags one of whom sets a police car (with two Copa in it) on fire with a flare or some excrement.
I simply said the BLM movement is taking us on the same path as them with its anti police sentiments. Obviously were not at the point that they're at in France, but we have already seen innocent police get murdered just for being cops.
No, you called all black people savages and animals! It's been decided!
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 19, 2016, 08:50:21 PM
The people in that video isn't BLM, they're some French hippie antipolice douchebags one of whom sets a police car (with two Copa in it) on fire with a flare or some excrement.
I simply said the BLM movement is taking us on the same path as them with its anti police sentiments. Obviously were not at the point that they're at in France, but we have already seen innocent police get murdered just for being cops.
You specifically said "The animals in the anti-police movement in the United States". You also said the BLM movement was just like the savages in France. I refuted that with actual numbers. The violence of the anti-police movement is manufactured by the media.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 19, 2016, 08:50:43 PM
No, you called all black people savages and animals! It's been decided!
You should probably read what he said.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 19, 2016, 08:56:18 PM
You specifically said "The animals in the anti-police movement in the United States". You also said the BLM movement was just like the savages in France. I refuted that with actual numbers. The violence of the anti-police movement is manufactured by the media.
Well ill concede that what I said was retarded mostly because I said they're just like, and then later in the same sentence said thats the path they're leading us towards.
And I never claimed that there has been an increase in police fatalities. My concern (at least intended) was that BLM is leading us in the direction of the people in France (where they were clearly acting like savages towards the police) with their anti-police sentiment and disdain.
The BLM movement has unquestionably been anti-police. Thats fine if you want to debate whether that is warranted or not. But I believe that they are constantly and consistently increasing the anti-police sentiment in this country. If you talk to young people or people of color, they increasingly have negative viewpoints of police and BLM is reinforcing and promoting that. And thats both a scary and dangerous thing
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 20, 2016, 12:27:41 AM
Well ill concede that what I said was retarded mostly because I said they're just like, and then later in the same sentence said thats the path they're leading us towards.
And I never claimed that there has been an increase in police fatalities. My concern (at least intended) was that BLM is leading us in the direction of the people in France (where they were clearly acting like savages towards the police) with their anti-police sentiment and disdain.
Without evidence that the occupation of police officer is becoming more dangerous, you can't argue that the occupation of police officer is becoming more dangerous. You see people ranting and raving and assume it'll lead to violence because it did in France? I've seen this excrement before. Southern California in the late 80s and 90s was probably the most violently hostile environment for police officers. It's nothing like that now, even with the protests.
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The BLM movement has unquestionably been anti-police. Thats fine if you want to debate whether that is warranted or not. But I believe that they are constantly and consistently increasing the anti-police sentiment in this country. If you talk to young people or people of color, they increasingly have negative viewpoints of police and BLM is reinforcing and promoting that. And thats both a scary and dangerous thing
Yes, it's been anti-police. It SHOULD be anti-police to some extent, but like you, I'm of the mindset that police officers as a whole get a bad rap. The majority of people I know hate the police. A ton of people on here have gone on about hating the police. You say young people and people of color have increasingly negative viewpoints of police? Young people and people of color have always had negative viewpoints of police. It could be because I grew up on a street with several officers, but I've always had a more measured view. I like most of the officers I've had interactions with. I think you have the same proportion of good people and assholes that you have in any walk of life. Having said that, given the nature of their job the scrutiny should absolutely be heavier in the police department than it should be elsewhere. I get that admitting fault opens up cities and departments to law suits, and I have mixed feelings about that from a tax standpoint. I don't know what the solution is. I do think BLM, for all its faults (which are so freaking many), has drawn attention to that, and that's largely a positive thing. People are angry, but for the most part, that anger has been expressed in positive, negligible, or retarded but harmless ways. The biggest issue BLM has is that it's nebulous. There's no leadership. It's just this weird mass of frustration. It's unlikely to accomplish its goals until it finds that leadership. Until then, though, I'm not particularly worried about a few isolated incidents that haven't made a dent in police safety. I see no evidence we're headed down the same path as Paris.
Post by: Pope on May 20, 2016, 10:01:43 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 20, 2016, 11:39:26 AM
Eh, police are assholes. They deserve some backlash.
Some are. It's no different than teenagers and parents. They have the unenviable task of telling you what you're not supposed to be doing and punish you if you break the rules. Just like with parents, we get pissed when they enforce rules we don't agree with and lash out at them calling them assholes. At the same time, some of those cops are shitty cops and should never have gotten badges to begin with. Some parents are shitty parents and should never have had kids. The majority, however, want to do the job well.
Post by: JFIF on May 20, 2016, 11:39:34 AM
Eh, police are assholes. They deserve some backlash.
Bergen county cops are the worst.
all shitbirds that didn't/couldn't leave home and decided to be cops, so they get hard ons for pulling you 5 mph over. get over your high school inadequacies ngrs
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 20, 2016, 11:40:51 AM
Bergen county cops are the worst.
all shitbirds that didn't/couldn't leave home and decided to be cops, so they get hard ons for pulling you 5 mph over. get over your high school inadequacies ngrs
WTF is going on in this post.
Post by: JFIF on May 20, 2016, 11:41:32 AM
WTF is going on in this post.
it was a joke in the wrong thread.
I was referring to Italian/irish guys in rich new jersey who become cops and can't leave their towns. Pope and I are from the same area. I was editing it to ad that footnote so JE wouldn't excrement himself and kill a kitten or something.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 20, 2016, 11:42:45 AM
it was a joke in the wrong thread.
I was referring to Italian/irish guys in rich new jersey who become cops and can't leave their towns. I was editing it to ad that footnote so JE wouldn't excrement himself and kill a kitten or something.
Italian/Irish guys are called ngrs?
Post by: Miamipuck on May 20, 2016, 11:44:15 AM
Italian/Irish guys are called ngrs?
Sicilians?
Post by: bojanglesman on May 20, 2016, 11:47:04 AM
Italian/Irish guys are called ngrs?Nigerians
Post by: JFIF on May 20, 2016, 11:55:18 AM
Italian/Irish guys are called ngrs?
sure, I guess.
pretty generic term in that context. I'd say a pretty large amount of my friends catch up with "sup ngr" or "yo ngr" text at some point and vice versa.
Post by: JFIF on May 20, 2016, 12:04:30 PM
is the free reign most latins get when it comes to the word "nigga". Big pun and Fat Joe had a lot to do with that main stream I think. I remember reading some about some polling they did and most black people, at least ones that are okay with the use of the word in general, don't mind if Latin people use it too. Obviously some of that is dictated by appearance or ethnic breakdown (i.e. Black hispanics vs white hispanics), but that's not universal.
Post by: Pope on May 20, 2016, 12:05:44 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 20, 2016, 12:10:15 PM
When trump becomes president we will all be able to say it. Even with the hard R
My vote for Trump is determined by this question:
Will he reinstitute slavery? Can you imagine what having free help would do for this economy?
Post by: bojanglesman on May 20, 2016, 12:13:00 PM
My vote for Trump is determined by this question:That doesn't mean black people will be the slaves. LJF better watch out.
Will he reinstitute slavery? Can you imagine what having free help would do for this economy?
Post by: Miamipuck on May 20, 2016, 12:18:28 PM
That doesn't mean black people will be the slaves. LJF better watch out.
As long as it's not Jews, we're cost prohibitive, I will buy a slave or 2, I think it would be fun to be called, Massa.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 20, 2016, 12:44:52 PM
sure, I guess.
pretty generic term in that context. I'd say a pretty large amount of my friends catch up with "sup ngr" or "yo ngr" text at some point and vice versa.
Weird. I've never seen that.
Post by: JFIF on May 20, 2016, 12:48:30 PM
Weird. I've never seen that.
Coastal thing maybe.
Post by: Tommy on May 20, 2016, 02:14:34 PM
sure, I guess.
pretty generic term in that context. I'd say a pretty large amount of my friends catch up with "sup ngr" or "yo ngr" text at some point and vice versa.
My Albanian friends growing up did that too. It's just the way guys addressed each other. I had to replace it with "Dude" at some point. But "Nigga" just has more embedded emphasis.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 20, 2016, 02:56:03 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 20, 2016, 03:04:56 PM
Post by: Tommy on May 20, 2016, 03:22:58 PM
Tommy has a complex relationship going on. Hates black people but wants to be one.
This nigga
Post by: Fenwyr on May 22, 2016, 11:32:56 AM
Post by: JFIF on May 22, 2016, 12:18:52 PM
When Trump shits the bed in November, the Tommy/JFIF ticket in 2020 seems like the obvious solution.
I'm not 35, so it was always 2020.
Post by: Tommy on May 22, 2016, 12:23:18 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 22, 2016, 03:09:29 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-leaving-democratic-party-article-1.2644307
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2016, 03:15:54 PM
I turn 35 before the general election. Would that qualify me for a 2016 Write-In?
Yes.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 15, 2016, 07:07:20 PM
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A Black Lives Matter activist hijacked the Orlando vigil held on Monday, using the microphone opportunity to lambast the white attendees who were mourning the terrorist attack that took place last Sunday in Florida.
“I was really nervous to get up here because there’s a lot of white people in the crowd” said the activist, while audience members nervously laughed. “That wasn’t a joke” she added.
“I wish this many people came out to our racial demonstrations and our Black Lives Matter movements. I don’t want to stand up here and be angry, because this isn’t for me, this isn’t for you, it’s for the people that we lost, and the people that we lose tomorrow, and the people that lost yesterday. But I thought I’d take a moment to list out some facts that many of you probably don’t know because you’re white”.
The activist, who would better be described as a protester, then went on to complain about racial tensions in America and belittle the audience that was grieving for the loss of nearly 50 lives.
“As much as it’s awesome that so many people are here today, it’s like who are you really here for” she continued.
One audience member replied that they were there for everybody, before a large round of applause, before another shouted “we are here to be uniting, not dividing, which is what you are doing now” to the protester, before a large group of attendees started shouting at the man for criticising her.
“They’re segregating us” complained one gay attendee in an interview to the College Fix. “Right there on stage they’re segregating us… They are making this a racial issue. It’s not a racial issue… I expected a community to come together, everyone, and I’ve got someone on stage trying to make it all about her culture, and divide the rest. That’s not what this is about.”
“I know people that would go to that club on a regular basis. The issue is why does this have to turn into a Latino versus Caucasian, a Black versus Latino, a Black versus White?” argued his husband. “We need to heal. We’re all hurt. But I’m tired of our community, and when I say community, not only LGBTQ community here, but also our community in Colombia and our community in Mizzou, that everything has to be divided into color, into race… We’re not a unified community, and because of things like that”.
Post by: Tommy on June 15, 2016, 07:21:09 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 15, 2016, 08:34:11 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 15, 2016, 08:34:49 PM
I saw pictures of the victims. It literally couldn't have been more diverse.
Yeah, a lot of people from every race. I don't think I've ever seen so many gay Hispanics.
Post by: Pope on June 15, 2016, 08:53:27 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 15, 2016, 09:05:37 PM
BLM are gonna send racial relations back 40 years
Oh man, to the age of Good Times, Sanford and Son, and What's Happening? Bring it on.
Post by: JFIF on June 15, 2016, 09:07:02 PM
No tact, no perspective, no idea where or how to voice an opinion without sounding like a freaking moron.
Post by: Pope on June 15, 2016, 09:12:24 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 15, 2016, 09:27:31 PM
Post by: JFIF on June 15, 2016, 09:29:47 PM
BLM is essentially Kanye West
That's implying they have a particular excellence in one area.
so no
Post by: Tommy on June 15, 2016, 09:35:44 PM
"I don't believe in the BLM movement."
"Oh, so you don't think Black Lives Matter? Racist."
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 15, 2016, 11:19:29 PM
Post by: Tommy on June 15, 2016, 11:31:22 PM
The biggest problem with BLM is that it's completely nebulous and without any leadership to rein in the crazies. Therefore, every over the top nutter "speaks for the movement", and those are the ones the press reports on. I'm sure there are a ton of rational people who could shape the movement into something both powerful and reasonable. We won't hear about them, though.
I think most people agree with the message against police brutality, but the over-the-top BLM message just makes people, who would otherwise be sympathetic, roll their eyes.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 15, 2016, 11:37:12 PM
I think most people agree with the message against police brutality, but the over-the-top BLM message just makes people, who would otherwise be sympathetic, roll their eyes.
Like I said, that's largely the product of the lack of leadership and the media. It's unfortunate but unsurprising.
Post by: Tommy on June 15, 2016, 11:38:48 PM
Like I said, that's largely the product of the lack of leadership and the media. It's unfortunate but unsurprising.
Yeah, especially true when the Daily News hired Sean King.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 16, 2016, 01:41:27 AM
Oh man, to the age of Good Times, Sanford and Son, and What's Happening? Bring it on.Rerun was the greatest actor in a generation.
Post by: JFIF on June 16, 2016, 01:44:51 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on June 19, 2016, 09:58:50 AM
I had no idea until recently that Garry Shandling was a writer for Sanford and Son.
That's cool, I had no idea at all.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 29, 2016, 02:13:14 PM
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2016/06/10858922_G.jpg&w=1484)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2016, 02:18:20 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on June 30, 2016, 11:23:22 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 30, 2016, 11:46:49 AM
How the hell did nobody notice? That's awesome.I get that all the black kids are doing the not cool thing. Is that what I'm supposed to be offended by? Am I missing something bigger? One white kid is doing something not cool. That makes it ok.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 30, 2016, 11:48:39 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 30, 2016, 11:51:05 AM
This is a victory for white kids growing up everywhere that have been told their whole lives "you'll never be cool"You're Trump cool.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 30, 2016, 01:23:10 PM
I get that all the black kids are doing the not cool thing. Is that what I'm supposed to be offended by? Am I missing something bigger? One white kid is doing something not cool. That makes it ok.
You're not supposed to be offended by anything. From what I can tell, one person was offended and complained and everyone else said "how the freak did you not notice that?" and laughed. The media has to report mass hysteria because it drives clicks. Welcome to modern America where you can find one upset person and turn it into a movement via selective visibility.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 30, 2016, 01:24:12 PM
This is a victory for white kids growing up everywhere that have been told their whole lives "you'll never be cool"
"Fuckin lame derriere white boy."
"Yeah well at least I'm cool in the pool."
Post by: Badger on June 30, 2016, 03:38:57 PM
I get that all the black kids are doing the not cool thing. Is that what I'm supposed to be offended by? Am I missing something bigger? One white kid is doing something not cool. That makes it ok.
There's also a black lifeguard. That's certified cool.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 30, 2016, 04:40:17 PM
There's also a black lifeguard. That's certified cool.
He can't swim and drinks Colt 45.
Post by: Badger on June 30, 2016, 08:12:40 PM
He can't swim and drinks Colt 45.
The lifeguard is clearly a woman.
Therefore the correct joke is she can't get her hair wet.
Post by: Johnny English on July 04, 2016, 08:07:54 AM
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/black-lives-matter-protest-at-historic-toronto-pride-parade-with-justin-trudeau
They completely misjudged their crowd; all they've done is pissed off a huge amount of people who would normally be more sympathetic to their campaigning than a lot of others in society. The police in particular have worked really hard in recent years to be a big part of Pride, and they're really well liked and respected amongst the gay community in Toronto who are far more likely to be victims of violent crime than most others. Demanding their exclusion from the parade is ridiculous. Look at this violent monster and his jackbooted oppression:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhVnDIpBvTE&feature=youtu.be
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 04, 2016, 08:38:59 AM
Post by: Badger on July 04, 2016, 08:51:41 AM
all they've done is pissed off a huge amount of people who would normally be more sympathetic to their campaigning than a lot of others in society.
You could just post this every time.
Post by: Hemi on July 04, 2016, 09:26:14 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 04, 2016, 09:38:44 AM
Dickheads.All I saw was a cop dancing at a gay pride parade. Did I miss something?
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/black-lives-matter-protest-at-historic-toronto-pride-parade-with-justin-trudeau
They completely misjudged their crowd; all they've done is pissed off a huge amount of people who would normally be more sympathetic to their campaigning than a lot of others in society. The police in particular have worked really hard in recent years to be a big part of Pride, and they're really well liked and respected amongst the gay community in Toronto who are far more likely to be victims of violent crime than most others. Demanding their exclusion from the parade is ridiculous. Look at this violent monster and his jackbooted oppression:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhVnDIpBvTE&feature=youtu.be
Edit. Never mind, I'm out if the loop newswise
Post by: Johnny English on July 04, 2016, 10:07:54 AM
They got what they wanted and forced the organizers to make them honorees of the parade and no cops next year. Self righteous assholes.
They were the honorees this year, and no matter what the organisers signed to get these fuckwits on their feet and out of the way of the parade there's no way they're stopping the cops from having floats next year. Pride is about inclusion, not exclusion.
But they got what they really wanted, which is an excuse for a public fight. They don't want to be popular as much as they want to be noticed. Cunts.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 04, 2016, 01:20:03 PM
They got what they wanted and forced the organizers to make them honorees of the parade and no cops next year. Self righteous assholes.
Leave it to a bunch of Canadians to cave in and immediately surrender to their demands.
It's amazing how everytime black people "protest" everyone is afraid to do anything in response, presumably because they don't want to be called racist.
You have no right to hijack somebody else's event and force your shitty ignorant views on someone else.
It's kinda funny that the black lives matter movement makes many (if not most) think worse of them. They're really bad at protesting
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 04, 2016, 02:00:26 PM
Leave it to a bunch of Canadians to cave in and immediately surrender to their demands.
It's amazing how everytime black people "protest" everyone is afraid to do anything in response, presumably because they don't want to be called racist.
You have no right to hijack somebody else's event and force your shitty ignorant views on someone else.
It's kinda funny that the black lives matter movement makes many (if not most) think worse of them. They're really bad at protesting
Any reasonable person thinks less of the people who participate in the movement, not black people in general. I don't know anyone in BLM, but I have a ton of black family members and friends. I would hate to think that 'most' people think worse of them because of some people that they have and want no association with. Thankfully, I don't know anyone personally (aside from the board) who thinks that way. Everyone I know thinks BLM is horseshit, a poorly run group of idiots with good motivation butchered into a bad message and even worse execution. I'd imagine that the people who think worse of black people in general probably have those tendencies already and welcome the group to help justify those inclinations.
BLM has worsened race relations for sure, but I don't think it's actually caused anyone to change their minds about black people in either direction, although I understand why people want to claim that.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 06, 2016, 01:56:32 AM
The video is pretty awful for the police involved. Not sure how or why a man that was restrained by two police officers needed to be shot multiple times in the chest and back.
It sounds like one of the cops says he was reaching for a gun, but they had him restrained in the video. No way his hands got anywhere near his pockets.
Shaun King will be a bundle of sticks about this.
Post by: Coach K on July 06, 2016, 06:26:26 AM
I expect this Alton Sterling issue to blow up over the next few days.
The video is pretty awful for the police involved. Not sure how or why a man that was restrained by two police officers needed to be shot multiple times in the chest and back.
It sounds like one of the cops says he was reaching for a gun, but they had him restrained in the video. No way his hands got anywhere near his pockets.
Shaun King will be a bundle of sticks about this.
And he'd be right . Although he's a giant douchenozzle .
That was a snuff film.
Post by: Coach K on July 06, 2016, 06:31:21 AM
Post by: Pope on July 06, 2016, 07:34:15 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 06, 2016, 09:14:32 AM
And as to the people saying Omg the police were so rough from the start. Well the guy had a gun and threatened to shoot somebody with it. Police had every right to be rough, but the shooting sounds like it was over the top.
Of course this guy actually had a gun and had threatened to shoot someone, so the police could be totally justified in this...
Post by: Heismanberg on July 06, 2016, 09:15:08 AM
I already read up on it . They had every right to arrest him. I don't see any justification for what happened once he was restrained
They should've used the taser again, then sprayed him, then put him in the back of a car...alive.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 06, 2016, 09:16:37 AM
Of course this guy actually had a gun and had threatened to shoot someone, so the police could be totally justified in this...
They weren't. Watch the video. They have him pinned to the ground. They took a gun out of his pocket after he was dead.
The cop shot him multiple times at point blank range in the chest and back.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 06, 2016, 10:32:40 AM
Give police something they can go ballastic on a dangerous criminal that won't kill them, but will stop them immediately.
Easier said than done but could be the best solution
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 06, 2016, 11:52:11 AM
Maybe the solution to all these police shootings would be further investing in non lethal weaponry.
Give police something they can go ballastic on a dangerous criminal that won't kill them, but will stop them immediately.
Easier said than done but could be the best solution
Tasers generally do the job. You can't completely arm the police in non-lethal weaponry given what criminals carry. I'm a big supporter of the police, but with the number of guns on all sides and the fact that police span the range of people from good to complete excrement, stuff like this will always happen.
You have to try to train and work to prevent things like this, but it's not completely avoidable.
Post by: JFIF on July 06, 2016, 02:33:30 PM
Tasers generally do the job. You can't completely arm the police in non-lethal weaponry given what criminals carry. I'm a big supporter of the police, but with the number of guns on all sides and the fact that police span the range of people from good to complete excrement, stuff like this will always happen.
You have to try to train and work to prevent things like this, but it's not completely avoidable.
Tasers aren't reliable enough. Neither are rubber bullets. Particularly if the suspect is big enough/intoxicated enough.
I think more R&D needs to put into non lethal weaponry. We have the technology, i just don't think resources have been spent on it. This is a very american problem with law enforcement since most first world countries police aren't even armed on the street, so I get why the world appeal would be limited from a business perspective but you'd figure somebody would subsidize this.
Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 01:03:30 AM
It may very well end up being the way the girlfriend described it. It's not like there's many black people in Minnesota and I wouldn't be surprised to see a cop get jumpy. But to me I think this is a lot of emotional piggybacking on the Alton Sterling thing, which was very clearly from the beginning an execution.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2016, 07:30:56 AM
A lot of people are reacting to Falcon Heights because of the child, but the way the internet is buzzing is scary because all we saw is the aftermath of the shooting, not the actual shooting.
It may very well end up being the way the girlfriend described it. It's not like there's many black people in Minnesota and I wouldn't be surprised to see a cop get jumpy. But to me I think this is a lot of emotional piggybacking on the Alton Sterling thing, which was very clearly from the beginning an execution.
Didn't Sterling have a gun on him, and had earlier threatened to shoot somebody?
There's a decent chance the police were wrong, but this was a felon with the gun
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2016, 07:36:57 AM
As long as there are protections so that the cops (and thus us the tax payers) aren't constantly getting sued by scumbags
Post by: Pope on July 07, 2016, 08:07:07 AM
Although I was previous against it I'm starting to think camera vests on cops should be more common place to protect both citizens as well as cops.I'm all for cameras on cops but I can foresee a bunch of scenarios where cameras 'malfunction' moments before an event
As long as there are protections so that the cops (and thus us the tax payers) aren't constantly getting sued by scumbags
Post by: bojanglesman on July 07, 2016, 08:13:17 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2016, 08:22:17 AM
I'm all for cameras on cops but I can foresee a bunch of scenarios where cameras 'malfunction' moments before an event
Well as long as they're connected to some outside network I think that's largely avoidable, unless we're talking about like planned assassinations
Post by: Heismanberg on July 07, 2016, 09:32:34 AM
It's not like there's many black people in Minnesota and I wouldn't be surprised to see a cop get jumpy.
this is really, really freaking stupid
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 09:43:15 AM
this is really, really freaking stupid
and horribly inaccurate
Post by: Hemi on July 07, 2016, 10:14:59 AM
Cameras on everyone!!! With live periscope feeds, auto cloud storage and emoji add-ons!
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Post by: bojanglesman on July 07, 2016, 11:42:13 AM
this is really, really freaking stupid
and horribly inaccurateWell, now that Prince and Kirby Puckett are dead.......
Post by: bojanglesman on July 07, 2016, 11:45:58 AM
Live chat!99¢ per minute live nude chat with cops writing traffic tickets!
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 07, 2016, 01:08:42 PM
Well, now that Prince and Kirby Puckett are dead.......
P.O.S., Dem Atlas, and Toki Wright are all from Minnesota.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2016, 05:15:01 PM
P.O.S., Dem Atlas, and Toki Wright are all from Minnesota.
Are those real people's names?
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2016, 05:16:56 PM
Are those real people's names?
P.O.S. = Pissed Off Steph
Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 05:18:50 PM
this is really, really freaking stupid
yeah, so stupid.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/02/17/if-minneapolis-is-so-great-why-is-it-so-bad-for-black-people/
Don't let facts get in the way of anything. Census, Growth numbers...you know.
Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 05:24:00 PM
I'm all for cameras on cops but I can foresee a bunch of scenarios where cameras 'malfunction' moments before an event
in the Alton Sterling thing, they were wearing body cameras but they "fell off".
Post by: Pope on July 07, 2016, 05:25:28 PM
in the Alton Sterling thing, they were wearing body cameras but they "fell off".Strange coincidence
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 05:38:07 PM
yeah, so stupid.So..posting an article about Minneapolis not being a great place for black people means there are little to no black people living there?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/02/17/if-minneapolis-is-so-great-why-is-it-so-bad-for-black-people/
Don't let facts get in the way of anything. Census, Growth numbers...you know.
Ok.
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Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 05:40:05 PM
So..posting an article about Minneapolis not being a great place for black people means there are little to no black people living there?
Ok.
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Did you read the article?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Minnesota
20 years ago there was less than 2% black people. That's one of the lowest of any state with a major city. Even now there's the same amount of black as Asian. Which is not very typical of any american states or cities.
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 05:41:54 PM
Did you read the article?Sure did
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Minnesota
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Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 05:43:15 PM
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 05:43:58 PM
Ive also been to minny many times...and seen the population diversity first-hand.
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You're coming from a place in Winnipeg that probably has even less black people. So of course it's going to a contrast. But that doesn't reflect the general population
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 05:44:52 PM
Okay ISOh please...tell us more of your findings from wikipedia.
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Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 05:46:09 PM
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 05:46:49 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 05:50:20 PM
There's 2 black people here! Must mean there's diversity!Ill make sure to ask the other black folks living there why they exist when JetsFanInWiki clearly states Minneapolis has a 2 black person limit.
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Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 05:51:20 PM
Ill make sure to ask the other black folks living there why they exist when JetsFanInWiki clearly states Minneapolis has a 2 black person limit.
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Yeah, you should lie. Always a good starting point for a conversation
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 06:05:44 PM
Yeah, you should lie. Always a good starting point for a conversationLol lies indeed.
Maybe someday...when it stops snowing inside your nostrils, you'll have a chance to see some of these places for yourself...instead of looking at pretty pictures on the internet.
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 06:23:46 PM
Lol lies indeed.
Maybe someday...when it stops snowing inside your nostrils, you'll have a chance to see some of these places for yourself...instead of looking at pretty pictures on the internet.
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
I've been around the world and have been traveling regularly since I was 2. I've also lived in two of the biggest, most international cities in the country.
Saying "MINNESOTA IS REALLY WHITE" is nothing new. How many black comedians have made that joke about Prince and Kirby Puckett? Chris rock for sure and maybe Chapelle.
The numbers support it compared to other states, and other major metro areas in the country. If you've grown up in a city with hardly any black people, and then go to a place with slighty more black people, doesn't mean there is diversity or equality or that prejudice isn't more prevalent than in other parts of the country. It just means there's more than you've been exposed to, which isn't reflective of larger society.
but hey "You've been to minnesota a bunch of times". Congratulations. Now see what the rest of the planet looks like.
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 06:36:56 PM
I've been around the world and have been traveling regularly since I was 2. I've also lived in two of the biggest, most international cities in the country.
Saying "MINNESOTA IS REALLY WHITE" is nothing new. How many black comedians have made that joke about Prince and Kirby Puckett? Chris rock for sure and maybe Chapelle.
The numbers support it compared to other states, and other major metro areas in the country. If you've grown up in a city with hardly any black people, and then go to a place with slighty more black people, doesn't mean there is diversity or equality or that prejudice isn't more prevalent than in other parts of the country. It just means there's more than you've been exposed to, which isn't reflective of larger society.
but hey "You've been to minnesota a bunch of times". Congratulations. Now see what the rest of the planet looks like.
It's an inaccurate stereotype.
Oh excrement, people take comedians seriously down there? that's hilarious (no pun intended).
When you compare the numbers to other states, then you have an argument. Obviously, other states have a larger black demographic. But you didn't say that in your original post.
And you've never been to Minnesota....however, i look forward to your opinion after you've seen Russell Peters' standup routine a few times.
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 06:45:51 PM
You're coming from a place in Winnipeg that probably has even less black people. So of course it's going to a contrast. But that doesn't reflect the general population
How did i miss this?
Winnipeg is quite diverse. Does our black population rival Nigeria's? No.
But that still doesn't make your point.
Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 07:22:33 PM
How did i miss this?
Winnipeg is quite diverse. Does our black population rival Nigeria's? No.
But that still doesn't make your point.
Asian Diversity, maybe. Diversity does not mean just having one type of group in addition to the majority. This wasn't about Winnipeg though. This is a discussion about black people specifically, or lack of among the general population in Minnesota. That is empirically true when relative to the rest of the country. I brought up your example because the only place with less black people than Minnesota is probably Winnipeg.
You chimed in and tried to dismantle the article when , which actually is relevant because a.) this happened in a st paul suburb and b.) describes the inequity among black and white people in an overwhelmingly White State. If there are more poor black people, that means there is more crime (by virtue of poverty). You don't think that shapes people's attitudes towards them? You don't see how that might effect how black people are viewed by law enforcement?
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 08:12:18 PM
Asian Diversity, maybe. Diversity does not mean just having one type of group in addition to the majority. This wasn't about Winnipeg though. This is a discussion about black people specifically, or lack of among the general population in Minnesota. That is empirically true when relative to the rest of the country. I brought up your example because the only place with less black people than Minnesota is probably Winnipeg.No...i chimed in because you said there arent alot of black people in Minnesota, which is false.
You chimed in and tried to dismantle the article when , which actually is relevant because a.) this happened in a st paul suburb and b.) describes the inequity among black and white people in an overwhelmingly White State. If there are more poor black people, that means there is more crime (by virtue of poverty). You don't think that shapes people's attitudes towards them? You don't see how that might effect how black people are viewed by law enforcement?
The rest of your post is a giant block of excrement no one wants to read.
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Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 08:15:19 PM
but keep em coming MB. You might stumble on logic or something witty along the way.
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 08:19:34 PM
You obviously read it, because you're referencing the second paragraph.
but keep em coming MB.
I really didnt.
I reached my limit with that stupid assumption about asian diversity
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 07, 2016, 08:38:16 PM
Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 08:50:21 PM
Falcon Heights is outside of St Paul, and I'm guessing MB's experience is mostly Minneapolis-St Paul. From what I can find, Minneapolis is about 17% black. LA is less than 10%. JFIF isn't wrong when he says Minnesota has a low percent of blacks, and MB isn't wrong when he says he's seen a ton of diversity. I just think you guys are arguing two different things here. MB's is more relevant to the idea that the cops would be unaccustomed to seeing blacks. That's just silly.
I clarified that to mean in terms of how black people might be perceived, particularly by law enforcement. The illustration of the economic inequality and the level of segregation by the article I posted, coupled with the lack of historical black populations. There's not this history of successful black professionals like you see in other major metropolitan cities. During the two major US migrations of free slaves, there wasn't much settlement in those parts. Obviously society has changed and there are some black people, but the idea that law enforcement and the general community might have a less open minded view of black people isn't exactly a stretch.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 07, 2016, 08:53:53 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 08:56:10 PM
I clarified that to mean in terms of how black people might be perceived, particularly by law enforcement. The illustration of the economic inequality and the level of segregation by the article I posted, coupled with the lack of historical black populations. There's not this history of successful black professionals like you see in other major metropolitan cities. During the two major US migrations of free slaves, there wasn't much settlement in those parts. Obviously society has changed and there are some black people, but the idea that law enforcement and the general community might have a less open minded view of black people isn't exactly a stretch.
Did you get that from Carrot Top or Emo Phillips?
Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 08:58:33 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 08:59:22 PM
How many Mexicans does Canada have?
We had 3, but we traded them to England for JE.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 07, 2016, 09:00:01 PM
I clarified that to mean in terms of how black people might be perceived, particularly by law enforcement. The illustration of the economic inequality and the level of segregation by the article I posted, coupled with the lack of historical black populations. There's not this history of successful black professionals like you see in other major metropolitan cities. During the two major US migrations of free slaves, there wasn't much settlement in those parts. Obviously society has changed and there are some black people, but the idea that law enforcement and the general community might have a less open minded view of black people isn't exactly a stretch.
Ah, I missed that. My bad.
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
Got any more comedian references or are you maxed out at 3 obscure examples?
I dunno, do you have any more opinions to discuss?
You're gonna need your sources.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 07, 2016, 09:00:51 PM
We had 3, but we traded them to England for JE.
Chorizo and Mash will be a big hit.
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2016, 09:07:10 PM
Chorizo and Mash will be a big hit.
confirmed
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 07, 2016, 10:28:55 PM
Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 10:29:19 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2016, 10:31:06 PM
At least 6 police officers in "grave" condition (well that report ended up being bullshit. 4 shot one dead is the official tally I think
Time for BLM to be labeled a terrorist organization
Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 10:36:28 PM
freaking morons. This is bad for everybody.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2016, 10:38:38 PM
You'll get a TON of "well this is why the police shoot so many black people" comments.
The fact is there's definitely a problem with police using excessive lethal force, and the nation was just starting to see that.
Now everyone's going to be on freaking edge again, police looking over their shoulders, and probably end up in more unfortunate shootings in this pointless cycle of violence
Post by: JFIF on July 07, 2016, 10:40:09 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 07, 2016, 10:41:07 PM
All unconfirmed.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2016, 10:49:36 PM
Reports are saying 2 suspects, using "sniper" rifles. 10 cops shot, 3 dead.
All unconfirmed.
Didn't the AP tweet that via the Dallas police chief who announced it.
It sounds confirmed to me that 3 police officers are dead. Fucked up excrement
Post by: bojanglesman on July 07, 2016, 11:32:35 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2016, 12:04:01 AM
Trump will build a wall around them.
Shut up
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2016, 12:04:09 AM
Post by: JFIF on July 08, 2016, 12:08:18 AM
Post by: JFIF on July 08, 2016, 12:28:56 AM
Post by: JFIF on July 08, 2016, 12:50:42 AM
The whole story is just disgraceful. Pretty ridiculous reason for someone to die.
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2016, 05:53:49 AM
So apparently in the Alton Sterling case, a homeless guy made the 911 call (from his cell phone. wtf?) because he kept asking Sterling for money but he said no, and showed him his gun.
The whole story is just disgraceful. Pretty ridiculous reason for someone to die.
1. Reminds me of the Tamir Rice case. Some shitdick calls the cops needlessly because they're easily scared.
2. Yes, homeless people have cell phones. I've heard them referred to as "Obamaphones" which implies some sort of gov't subsidy but I never cared enough to look it up.
Post by: JFIF on July 08, 2016, 06:29:22 AM
1. Reminds me of the Tamir Rice case. Some shitdick calls the cops needlessly because they're easily scared.
2. Yes, homeless people have cell phones. I've heard them referred to as "Obamaphones" which implies some sort of gov't subsidy but I never cared enough to look it up.
I've heard of people having them, but all the examples I've heard of were poor and/or old people who normally used landlines.
I never did the math in my head to how you qualify for one, but it would make sense. The idea of them going around charging them and stealing electricity is kind of funny.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2016, 07:06:57 AM
All of the suspects are in custody, one died from self inflicted gunshot
Post by: MBGreen on July 08, 2016, 07:31:03 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2016, 07:41:38 AM
one died from self inflicted gunshot
Dallas PD is saying they killed him with explosives.
Post by: Pope on July 08, 2016, 08:14:51 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2016, 09:02:04 AM
Stop killing each other
No hashtag, doesn't count
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 08, 2016, 09:06:31 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on July 08, 2016, 09:47:58 AM
Cynicism aside this sucks on multiple levels. Something like this was inevitable.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 08, 2016, 09:54:14 AM
that Shaun King retard better shut his piehole for a few days.
good luck with that.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2016, 10:14:42 AM
I really hope the guy purchased that assault rifle legally. Now that some white cops died we might see some action.
Cynicism aside this sucks on multiple levels. Something like this was inevitable.
Yeah you seem really broken up about it. Sucks it had to happen, but hey as long as you get to push your agenda.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 08, 2016, 10:23:39 AM
BLM is upset that the media is calling the shooter Micah X. Johnson instead of Micah Xavier Johnson...
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2016, 10:26:42 AM
Don't go on Twitter today.
BLM is upset that the media is calling the shooter Micah X. Johnson instead of Micah Xavier Johnson...
BLM is upset about every and anything other than the fact that white police officers were killed. That were there to protect their movement's protest.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 08, 2016, 10:28:50 AM
Quote
Shaun King: The Dallas shooter was Micah Johnson - a veteran. He was blown up by a bomb the Dallas PD attached to a robot.
scum
Post by: guinness77 on July 08, 2016, 10:31:41 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 08, 2016, 10:34:27 AM
scum
I followed that buffoon for a total of 5 mins on twitter....until he flooded my timeline with nonsense and propaganda. What a useless human being.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 08, 2016, 10:35:28 AM
I followed that buffoon for a total of 5 mins on twitter....until he flooded my timeline with nonsense and propaganda. What a useless human being.
Why did you follow him?
Post by: MBGreen on July 08, 2016, 10:50:39 AM
Why did you follow him?
I wanted to see what all the hoopla with this guy was all about.
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2016, 10:57:13 AM
Post by: Tommy on July 08, 2016, 11:00:32 AM
The NY Daily News must be real proud of itself for employing this "journalist."
The Daily News went full retard over the years. Yeah, the Post leaned Right, but the Daily News really went off the rails.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 08, 2016, 11:05:31 AM
I really hope the guy purchased that assault rifle legally. Now that some white cops died we might see some action.
Cynicism aside this sucks on multiple levels. Something like this was inevitable.
Maybe people will do something about BLM being a hate group that has consistently developed hatred and violence against the police.
This bloods on their hands, and the mental nut job who went out and murdered 100% innocent people that literally had absolutely nothing to do with police violence.
But go ahead and call this a gun control issue
Post by: dcm1602 on July 08, 2016, 11:13:36 AM
A peaceful protest where police officers were pointlessly slaughtered
Post by: guinness77 on July 08, 2016, 11:19:54 AM
The Daily News went full retard over the years. Yeah, the Post leaned Right, but the Daily News really went off the rails.After seeing yesterday's front page, I actually question whether or not I'll ever read their paper again.
I'm not the least bit surprised something like this has happened. It happened last year in Brooklyn. It's happened in Dallas. Best believe it's gonna happen again. The media salivates at all this excrement, both ways. All sucking on the teet, placing one faction of people directly against another faction of people, no matter how little or major the incident/issue is, all the while shedding their crocodile tears when a police officer (a guy or gal who makes a very modest living protecting the citizens of this country) gets murdered, meanwhile, profiting tenfold and cashing million dollar paychecks.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 08, 2016, 11:30:41 AM
It's always people trying to be someone else that are the most militant, like King a white guy trying to be black or that sword swallowing chum guzzling bundle of sticks in Orlando. Jesus H Christ just be happy being what you are, the world would be better off.
Post by: Tommy on July 08, 2016, 12:40:18 PM
After seeing yesterday's front page, I actually question whether or not I'll ever read their paper again.
I'm not the least bit surprised something like this has happened. It happened last year in Brooklyn. It's happened in Dallas. Best believe it's gonna happen again. The media salivates at all this excrement, both ways. All sucking on the teet, placing one faction of people directly against another faction of people, no matter how little or major the incident/issue is, all the while shedding their crocodile tears when a police officer (a guy or gal who makes a very modest living protecting the citizens of this country) gets murdered, meanwhile, profiting tenfold and cashing million dollar paychecks.
I think more than half the cops in big cities are minorities anyway. There's a police brutality issue for sure, but turning it into a white vs black thing is stupid.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 08, 2016, 01:30:36 PM
I think more than half the cops in big cities are minorities anyway. There's a police brutality issue for sure, but turning it into a white vs black thing is stupid.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/03/us/the-race-gap-in-americas-police-departments.html?_r=0
Post by: NDMick on July 08, 2016, 01:37:15 PM
I think more than half the cops in big cities are minorities anyway. There's a police brutality issue for sure, but turning it into a white vs black thing is stupid.
lol, yeah all those black cops swarming nyc
Post by: NDMick on July 08, 2016, 01:41:52 PM
I love how the media keeps referring to it as a peaceful protest.
A peaceful protest where police officers were pointlessly slaughtered
The protest and the shooting are separate but related events that happened in the same area.
If I freak Jane Fonda's mother in the derriere in the bedroom next to Jane Fonda's room, I didn't have a threesome with Jane Fonda and her mom just because it happened under the same roof.
Post by: NDMick on July 08, 2016, 01:54:11 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/missouri-shot-day-dallas-police-attack-article-1.2704372
Post by: MBGreen on July 08, 2016, 01:57:47 PM
The protest and the shooting are separate but related events that happened in the same area.
If I freak Jane Fonda's mother in the derriere in the bedroom next to Jane Fonda's room, I didn't have a threesome with Jane Fonda and her mom just because it happened under the same roof.
Jane Fonda's mother?
welcome to JO, Big Blocker.
Post by: Tommy on July 08, 2016, 02:26:19 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/03/us/the-race-gap-in-americas-police-departments.html?_r=0
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The NYPD’s own most-recent numbers show that, as of June 2014, the department has become even more diverse since 2007.
Whites make up 51 percent of the department, Hispanics 26 percent and Asians 6 percent, with the percentage of blacks about the same, according to the newer figures.
“In the uniformed ranks, it’s virtually 50-50 [white vs. non-white],” NYPD spokesman Stephen Davis told The Post. “When you look at our ranks of 35,000 officers, we have a pretty representative force.”
Alright, I was a little off, but 50/50 is still pretty good.
Post by: NDMick on July 08, 2016, 02:41:56 PM
Jane Fonda's mother?
welcome to JO, Big Blocker.
I want that Queen of Thorny hoo-ha, babby.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 08, 2016, 03:21:03 PM
Maybe people will do something about BLM being a hate group that has consistently developed hatred and violence against the police.
This bloods on their hands, and the mental nut job who went out and murdered 100% innocent people that literally had absolutely nothing to do with police violence.
But go ahead and call this a gun control issue
The blood is on whose hands? BLM isn't an actual organization. It's random people pledging allegiance to a movement. They're stupid because they're associating themselves with absolutely anyone who uses the same name regardless of motive or method. I'm totally on board with calling the people who are being assholes assholes, but there's no blood on the hands of most people who call themselves BLM.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 08, 2016, 03:24:09 PM
I think more than half the cops in big cities are minorities anyway. There's a police brutality issue for sure, but turning it into a white vs black thing is stupid.
Yeah, it's not a white vs black thing. There's a big difference between the way cops deal with blacks and whites, but it's not just white cops doing it. The whole system distrusts blacks.
Post by: MBGreen on July 08, 2016, 03:33:45 PM
Authorities: Man called 911 in south Georgia to report break-in, then ambushed, shot officer who came to investigate - @AP
Post by: Tommy on July 08, 2016, 04:03:03 PM
Yeah, it's not a white vs black thing. There's a big difference between the way cops deal with blacks and whites, but it's not just white cops doing it. The whole system distrusts blacks.
I asked two of my buddies who are NYPD about this. He said that the majority of peeps who try and fight back or even shoot cops are black, so it's natural for cops to be a little nervous and on guard when approaching them.
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2016, 05:01:51 PM
BuzzFeed News @BuzzFeedNews 12m12 minutes ago
Authorities: Man called 911 in south Georgia to report break-in, then ambushed, shot officer who came to investigate - @AP
...is this related?
Post by: dcm1602 on July 08, 2016, 05:24:03 PM
The blood is on whose hands? BLM isn't an actual organization. It's random people pledging allegiance to a movement. They're stupid because they're associating themselves with absolutely anyone who uses the same name regardless of motive or method. I'm totally on board with calling the people who are being assholes assholes, but there's no blood on the hands of most people who call themselves BLM.
But is this movement not perpetuating hate and instilling anger against police across the nation?
Certainly seems as the police executions we're at the very least strongly inspired by this movement
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2016, 07:38:28 PM
...is this related?
We can create a new thread related to police officers being attacked if you'd prefer to keep these issues separated. (As they should be). I posted the initial report in here last night because it occurred at a BLM protest.
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A suburban St. Louis police officer was "ambushed" during a traffic stop Friday and critically injured when he was shot at least once from behind as he walked to his patrol car to check the suspect's driving status, authorities said.
Antonio Taylor, a 31-year-old black man who was paroled in 2015 after serving time on a federal weapons charge, was charged with assault of a police officer, armed criminal action and a felon in possession of a firearm, St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch said Friday.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-chief-officer-shot-hospitalized-st-louis-suburb-40441688
Post by: Tommy on July 08, 2016, 08:04:58 PM
Though on the flip side I've heard stories about gangsta types crying while being arrested when none of their friends are around.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 08, 2016, 08:32:00 PM
I asked two of my buddies who are NYPD about this. He said that the majority of peeps who try and fight back or even shoot cops are black, so it's natural for cops to be a little nervous and on guard when approaching them.
That's fair. A bit of a chicken-egg question as well.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 08, 2016, 08:36:22 PM
But is this movement not perpetuating hate and instilling anger against police across the nation?
Certainly seems as the police executions we're at the very least strongly inspired by this movement
The movement is absolutely provoking anger because people are angry. The vast majority of people influenced by it are being proactive, but that's not who media and social media outlets are going to highlight. As I said, that's what is so difficult about not having an official movement, and it's why the people who explicitly call themselves BLM are acting stupidly. They're then associating themselves with any retard or poopchute who uses the same term without a central body to differentiate legitimate from illegitimate actions. They're all legitimate when you don't have guidelines. It's a terrible, terrible movement. I don't think it's fair to blame the entirety of an amorphous movement for the violence, though. It's just like how I don't blame the entirety of a department's cops when some unarmed kid gets shot.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 08, 2016, 08:53:49 PM
The movement is absolutely provoking anger because people are angry. The vast majority of people influenced by it are being proactive, but that's not who media and social media outlets are going to highlight. As I said, that's what is so difficult about not having an official movement, and it's why the people who explicitly call themselves BLM are acting stupidly. They're then associating themselves with any retard or poopchute who uses the same term without a central body to differentiate legitimate from illegitimate actions. They're all legitimate when you don't have guidelines. It's a terrible, terrible movement. I don't think it's fair to blame the entirety of an amorphous movement for the violence, though. It's just like how I don't blame the entirety of a department's cops when some unarmed kid gets shot.
But even the ones protesting are calling the police bad guys. They might not all be calling for violence, but I think there's a strong us against the police attitude. And we've seen that from black leaders/ degenerate scumbags like Sharpton and company
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2016, 10:12:52 PM
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BRISTOL, Tenn. (AP) — A black Army veteran accused of shooting indiscriminately at passing cars and police on a Tennessee highway told investigators he was troubled by police violence against African-Americans, authorities said Friday.
It was one of several spasms of violence across the country this week amid boiling tensions over policing and race. One woman died and three others, including one police officer, were injured in the rampage early Thursday morning.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c894476bcbcf4d98b68ae98b27e0a0ff/authorities-highway-gunman-motivated-police-shootings
Post by: dcm1602 on July 08, 2016, 11:05:50 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2016, 11:39:19 PM
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Local Baton Rouge television station WBRZ reports that the FBI has issued a “Gold Code” warning of coming violence against police officers and law enforcement officials on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
“In the memo – known as a ‘Gold Code’ – federal authorities warned Baton Rouge-area and Shreveport-area law enforcement agencies to ‘threats to law enforcement and potential threats to the safety of the general public,'” WBRZ wrote. “It goes on to report, the FBI New Orleans office has found multiple groups “calling for or planning riots and/or violence against law enforcement in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and Shreveport, Louisiana beginning Friday, 8 July 2016 and continuing through at least 10 July 2016.”
Post by: Tommy on July 08, 2016, 11:56:15 PM
I hate that quote. It makes it seem like this sort of behavior is a normal reaction to some random acts of police brutality.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 09, 2016, 12:13:14 AM
"amid boiling tensions over policing and race."
I hate that quote. It makes it seem like this sort of behavior is a normal reaction to some random acts of police brutality.
Why do you think that? I don't see how anything suggests it's a normal reaction. I don't think the acts are really random either. I don't think the police intend to kill anyone obviously, but I do think they're tense and quick to react. It used to be that they were only that way with gang bangers. It has spread to other people now.
Post by: Tommy on July 09, 2016, 12:24:13 AM
Why do you think that? I don't see how anything suggests it's a normal reaction. I don't think the acts are really random either. I don't think the police intend to kill anyone obviously, but I do think they're tense and quick to react. It used to be that they were only that way with gang bangers. It has spread to other people now.
Not really. We've been hearing about cases like these for years, but social media and the Internet have made them more newsworthy and sensationalized. I just don't see what can really be done about it. Cops are always going to be skittish around African Americans. Put cameras on the cops to weed out the justified force vs unjustified, but I don't see how else we can stop it. No amount of "awareness" and "social outrage" is going to alter human nature.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 09, 2016, 12:41:20 AM
Not really. We've been hearing about cases like these for years, but social media and the Internet have made them more newsworthy and sensationalized. I just don't see what can really be done about it. Cops are always going to be skittish around African Americans. Put cameras on the cops to weed out the justified force vs unjustified, but I don't see how else we can stop it. No amount of "awareness" and "social outrage" is going to alter human nature.
Fear of blacks isn't "human nature". It's learned behavior. I don't know how to get people to unlearn it, but certainly that has to be the goal, impossible though it may seem.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2016, 12:51:12 AM
yeah, so stupid.
It's almost as if I didn't even live there...
The shooting happened in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul area. 18% of the population in that city is black. 19% of Miami's population is black.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2016, 12:53:35 AM
Post by: JFIF on July 09, 2016, 12:57:37 AM
It's almost as if I didn't even live there.
The shooting happened in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul area. 18% of the population in that city is black. 19% of Miami's population is black.
You wasted your time googling that. Already been discussed.
Also not that it matters, but you clearly don't understand the difference between a city and metro area in the case of Miami-dade county and the city of Miami. If you're going to quote statistics, learn how to make apples to apples comparison.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2016, 01:02:11 AM
You wasted your time googling that. Already been discussed.
Did you guys already discuss how I worked in law enforcement in the state of Minnesota? Or how about how I was trained in Minneapolis?
Take your demographics and freak off. You don't know about the place so shut up about it. You pulling up the entire state as a whole. It happened in the Twin Cities. They are COMPLETELY different than any other place in Minnesota.
Minneapolis is shitty in the wrong places, but it's also surrounded by crime-free suburbs. I don't give a excrement about a metro-area or a freaking county.
He didn't shoot him because he isn't around black people. That is absurd. It was easily one of the dumbest comments I've seen about the Stripling or Castile shootings.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2016, 01:07:33 AM
sit down
Post by: JFIF on July 09, 2016, 01:09:56 AM
I think you just want to argue to argue and let everyone know you lived in Minnesota, as if that makes your view infallible somehow. As if your perceptions and senses are the end all, be all of discussion. Anecdotal experience is pertinent, but not in a discussion when history is being cited and so are demographics.
Post by: JFIF on July 09, 2016, 01:12:59 AM
Apples to apples...all you have are statistics and a shitty derriere Washington Post article from 2015.
sit down
You do not understand the concept of sourcing material or how demographics work. It's not the Washington post that's relevant, it's the census data they're using.
You sound like an idiot. Especially when you're emphatic about your ignorance.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2016, 01:20:18 AM
As if your perceptions and senses are the end all, be all of discussion.
In this case, they are.
It really isn't a discussion. You said something retarded as hell and tried to back it up by saying doing the same thing again.
You assumed that someone prematurely pulled a trigger because he doesn't see black people on a daily basis in a city that is incredibly diverse. The fact that you have the audacity to call someone else ignorant is amazing.
It's the best material you'll ever write. Le Batard would be proud.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2016, 01:23:14 AM
You do not understand the concept of sourcing material
You didn't write a goddamn thesis. You made a shitty post on the internet and maybe ten people will read it.
No one gives a excrement about your demographics. The demographics in the Twin Cities are way, way different than anything else you'll find in the state.
Post by: JFIF on July 09, 2016, 01:24:11 AM
In this case, they are.
It really isn't a discussion. You said something retarded as hell and tried to back it up by saying doing the same thing again.
You assumed that someone prematurely pulled a trigger because he doesn't see black people on a daily basis in a city that is incredibly diverse. The fact that you have the audacity to call someone else ignorant is amazing.
It's the best material you'll ever write. Le Batard would be proud.
You want to go down that personal road? lol.
You clearly don't interact with people who challenge your thinking. It's easy to yell at a bunch of black kids and tell they're young and don't know what they're talking about.
If someone disagrees with you, you flip out. You're really going to develop as a person that way.
Post by: JFIF on July 09, 2016, 01:25:43 AM
You didn't write a goddamn thesis. You made a shitty post on the internet and maybe ten people will read it.
No one gives a excrement about your demographics. The demographics in the Twin Cities are way, way different than anything else you'll find in the state.
"Facts don't matter. ONLY MY OPINION MATTERS!"
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2016, 01:27:27 AM
You clearly don't interact with people who challenge your thinking.
It's easy to yell at a bunch of black kids and tell they're young and don't know what they're talking about.
If someone disagrees with you, you flip out. You're really going to develop as a person that way.
This is correct. I spend literally all of my time yelling at black kids.
That just means I won't shoot any black people because I see at least one every day.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2016, 01:28:53 AM
"Facts don't matter. ONLY MY OPINION MATTERS!"
"He shot him because he doesn't see black people often"
"black people don't live in Minnesota"
/facts
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 09, 2016, 08:56:08 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2016, 01:19:11 PM
The freaking guy had an assault rifle during a mass shooting and was a suspect, yet he's being targeted because his black. These people are severely freaking retarded. SMH amright
Post by: Pope on July 09, 2016, 02:52:25 PM
Post by: Pope on July 09, 2016, 02:54:03 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 09, 2016, 03:12:30 PM
I've gotta say.. I've been in Florida for 3 days now and I now realize how prevalent gun culture is. Holy excrement, not only does every one have one, they have multiple with concealed carry and the whole nine yards.Stay safe
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2016, 03:14:52 PM
Stay safe
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
He's white, so...
Post by: Pope on July 09, 2016, 03:26:54 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 09, 2016, 03:41:24 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 09, 2016, 04:00:22 PM
He's white, so...He Polish doe
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 09, 2016, 04:05:06 PM
He Polish doe
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
So you're saying he's a German Striker?
Post by: MBGreen on July 09, 2016, 04:07:46 PM
So you're saying he's a German Striker?Could be an easy target
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 09, 2016, 04:08:01 PM
Trash knows no colors in this state
Make fun of my state again and I will blow your freaking head off.
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2016, 05:54:17 PM
Post by: JFIF on July 09, 2016, 08:36:48 PM
I've gotta say.. I've been in Florida for 3 days now and I now realize how prevalent gun culture is. Holy excrement, not only does every one have one, they have multiple with concealed carry and the whole nine yards.
The gun culture is bad but it's not even an open carry state. That is some other level excrement right there.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2016, 08:41:58 PM
The gun culture is bad but it's not even an open carry state. That is some other level excrement right there.
Like the protestor in Dallas who was allowed to walk around a crowded protest/city with an assault rifle
He didn't do anything with it, but it's insane that that is legal
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2016, 09:32:48 PM
They have a video she took on the 4th of July of herself in a car with her baby daughter doing drugs.
Is someone trying to defame her character probably, bur I'd say anyone who gets high in a car with their baby is almost certainly a degenerate
Post by: JFIF on July 10, 2016, 01:19:59 AM
Suspect a lot of stuff is gonna come out about the credibility of the gf who filmed the Castille shooting.
They have a video she took on the 4th of July of herself in a car with her baby daughter doing drugs.
Is someone trying to defame her character probably, bur I'd say anyone who gets high in a car with their baby is almost certainly a degenerate
Remember when it first happened I said i was worried about the emotional aspect of it effecting the facts?
To me Alton Sterling was clear cut senseless waste of life, especially considering why he got the cops called on him. But the thing in Falcon Heights was magnified by the baby in the back, and truthfully we don't have a single clue what happened before the video.
The fact the Alton Sterling thing happened only magnified what happened in Minnesota, and not necessarily in a logical and reasonable aspect.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 10, 2016, 01:44:21 AM
Post by: JFIF on July 10, 2016, 01:51:49 AM
http://time.com/4397086/minnesota-shooting-philando-castile-role-model-school/
I can't really take an article seriously that paints him as this amazing person without at least, rationalizing his criminal record. Having a criminal record doesn't make you inherently a bad person, but only including quotes of how great he is dishonest and disingenuous without at least acknowledging the other side of it, IMHO.
I can deal with someone being grey morally, as are most people. But that's just inauthentic and pandering to highlight one side.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 10, 2016, 02:00:09 AM
I can't really take an article seriously that paints him as this amazing person without at least, rationalizing his criminal record. Having a criminal record doesn't make you inherently a bad person, but only including quotes of how great he is dishonest and disingenuous without at least acknowledging the other side of it, IMHO.
I can deal with someone being grey morally, as are most people. But that's just inauthentic and pandering to highlight one side.
What, the traffic violations? He had no felony convictions, and the stuff about him not having a gun permit was shown to be false.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/philando-castile-criminal-record-arrest-record-police-racial-profiling-criminal-history-rap-sheet-felon-crime-falcon-heights-minnesota-police-shooting-facebook-live-video-watch-lavish-reynolds-diamond/
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 10, 2016, 02:01:50 AM
Post by: JFIF on July 10, 2016, 02:03:28 AM
What, the traffic violations? He had no felony convictions, and the stuff about him not having a gun permit was shown to be false.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/philando-castile-criminal-record-arrest-record-police-racial-profiling-criminal-history-rap-sheet-felon-crime-falcon-heights-minnesota-police-shooting-facebook-live-video-watch-lavish-reynolds-diamond/
Ah. My bad. I did not know that.
But still, don't you think that should have been highlighted? It would have made for a better article to debunk some of that.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 10, 2016, 09:18:32 AM
Yet the reason BOTH of those other black guys got killed by police officers is because they had guns on them. Pull the race card and all that excrement all you want. But does anyone honestly think either of them would have gotten shot had they been unarmed? Extremely unlikely
Are there issues with police and race relations in this country? Absolutely, nobody will argue that. But both of these guys 100% died because they had guns on them, and didn't behave absolutely perfectly with them. Guns drastically escalate police encounters, and now are the reason two guys are dead. Yet I haven't seen a single article or anything addressing that because everyone has a freaking agenda and this whole race baiting/race war excrement just happens to be a much bigger priority
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 10, 2016, 10:08:39 AM
This still boggles my mind. After the Dallas shooting the first thing Obama says is this is why we need gun control, guns are the reason why this happened.
Yet the reason BOTH of those other black guys got killed by police officers is because they had guns on them. Pull the race card and all that excrement all you want. But does anyone honestly think either of them would have gotten shot had they been unarmed? Extremely unlikely
Are there issues with police and race relations in this country? Absolutely, nobody will argue that. But both of these guys 100% died because they had guns on them, and didn't behave absolutely perfectly with them. Guns drastically escalate police encounters, and now are the reason two guys are dead. Yet I haven't seen a single article or anything addressing that because everyone has a freaking agenda and this whole race baiting/race war excrement just happens to be a much bigger priority
It's not one factor OR the other. It's both. I don't think they would have gotten shot if they hadn't been carrying. I also don't think they would have gotten shot if they were white and carrying. Hell, I don't even think Castile is in that position if he's white (getting pulled over constantly).
Post by: dcm1602 on July 10, 2016, 10:21:32 AM
It's not one factor OR the other. It's both. I don't think they would have gotten shot if they hadn't been carrying. I also don't think they would have gotten shot if they were white and carrying. Hell, I don't even think Castile is in that position if he's white (getting pulled over constantly).
Well I think them having a gun outweighs them being black significantly. Could there be subconscious racism sure, but I like to assume most cops are reasonable people. And are far more likely to get worked up when a gun is involved. Regardless the gun issue was never brought up at all
Yet our douchebag had no issues immediately bringing it up after the Dallas shooting
Post by: JFIF on July 10, 2016, 12:55:56 PM
http://www.irpumn.org/uls/resources/projects/aggregate%20report%2092303.pdf
Post by: Tommy on July 10, 2016, 01:04:39 PM
internal report on Minnesota's racial profiling. pretty damning. Not sure how it compares to other cities as a baseline though.
http://www.irpumn.org/uls/resources/projects/aggregate%20report%2092303.pdf
Minnesota isn't really a good example for a study like this. Only 5% of the population is African American so that would obviously skew the numbers wildly.
Post by: JFIF on July 10, 2016, 01:38:18 PM
Minnesota isn't really a good example for a study like this. Only 5% of the population is African American so that would obviously skew the numbers wildly.
That doesn't mean anything on its own.
The report's a bit dated, but the methodology seems sound.
The data needs to be compared with other states (and counties) to get a better overall picture.
Post by: Badger on July 10, 2016, 07:59:43 PM
https://www.allthink.com/1284035
Post by: Badger on July 10, 2016, 09:38:19 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 10, 2016, 09:57:01 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-lives-matter-protests-span-country-fourth-day-n606556
Guess they didn't learn anything from Dallas
Took over an interstate, injured 21 cops, throwing rocks fuel and other excrement, even threw a molotov cocktail at the police.
Just didn't murder anybody this time. Next time some psychopath BLM sympathizer kills a ton of innocent people I guess they'll say they had nothing to do with that either
Post by: Fenwyr on July 10, 2016, 11:45:05 PM
Savages back at it again
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-lives-matter-protests-span-country-fourth-day-n606556
Guess they didn't learn anything from Dallas
Took over an interstate, injured 21 cops, throwing rocks fuel and other excrement, even threw a molotov cocktail at the police.
Just didn't murder anybody this time. Next time some psychopath BLM sympathizer kills a ton of innocent people I guess they'll say they had nothing to do with that either
I really wish we could lock you in a room with some 'savages'.
Post by: JFIF on July 11, 2016, 12:23:04 AM
This describes the way I feel about the concept of privilege perfectly.
https://www.allthink.com/1284035
pretty good
Post by: dcm1602 on July 11, 2016, 05:34:30 AM
I really wish we could lock you in a room with some 'savages'.
When they're peaceful and not destructive I just strongly dislike them.
But considering these fuckers are taking over highways, being violent destroying excrement and attacking police officers, just days after inspiring a mass shooting. They could all go freak themselves
Post by: dcm1602 on July 11, 2016, 10:37:19 AM
I really wish we could lock you in a room with some 'savages'.
http://www.kare11.com/mb/news/102-arrested-21-officers-injured-in-94-shutdown/268434384
Officers got a fractured spine from one of those peaceful souls dropping a concerte block off a bridge onto his head.
But they're kind living souls
Post by: dcm1602 on July 11, 2016, 10:46:58 PM
As bad as this excrement is, I have to remind myself that there's people on the opposite side of the spectrum just as terrible, and that neither side I'd right in this whole thing.
The thing I don't understand though, is how the people who do excrement like this don't understand how much it HURTS their cause.
The BLM movement went from so much sympathy to being a lighting rod for controversy in just a few days.
And the worst thing of all is it doesn't hurt just one group it hurts EVERYBODY. All BLM needs to do is repackage their controversial message into something as simple as "excessive police violence and inappropriate use of lethal force is a problem in American society. How can we make it better?" you do that and the American public will heavily but not completely be behind you, rapidly leading to change and improvement. You can then have "fringe" people making the argument that these problems disproportionately affect the African American community but leave it there, when you start looking for a solution only to police violence against blacks, you lose the people
Post by: Johnny English on July 11, 2016, 10:50:41 PM
All BLM needs to do is repackage their controversial message into something as simple as "excessive police violence and inappropriate use of lethal force is a problem in American society. How can we make it better?" you do that and the American public will heavily but not completely be behind you, rapidly leading to change and improvement.
Dude. Zimmerman got off with a significant amount of Americans thinking that he did nothing wrong. What the freak makes you think that "the American public will heavily but not completely be behind you" if the accused is an actual sworn LEO rather than a wannabe cop?
Post by: Tommy on July 11, 2016, 11:35:06 PM
Dude. Zimmerman got off with a significant amount of Americans thinking that he did nothing wrong. What the freak makes you think that "the American public will heavily but not completely be behind you" if the accused is an actual sworn LEO rather than a wannabe cop?
Do we have to go through the whole Zimmerman thing again? Zimmerman was a hoo-ha, but there wasn't anything illegal about being suspicious about someone and calling the cops. Martin confronted him, started beating the excrement out of him, Zimmerman felt threatened and shot Martin. Could it all have been avoided had Zimmerman not followed Martin? Sure. But it could also have been avoided if Martin didn't attack Zimmerman.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 12, 2016, 01:23:23 AM
Do we have to go through the whole Zimmerman thing again? Zimmerman was a hoo-ha, but there wasn't anything illegal about being suspicious about someone and calling the cops. Martin confronted him, started beating the excrement out of him, Zimmerman felt threatened and shot Martin. Could it all have been avoided had Zimmerman not followed Martin? Sure. But it could also have been avoided if Martin didn't attack Zimmerman.
Uh, way to downplay everything. At the end of the call Martin had run away. It's just Zimmerman who claimed he came back and attacked him. We have no idea who attacked who and never will. Given everything that we have found out about Zimmerman, including his auction of the freaking gun and his comments to the parents, I'm not inclined to believe him. I'm not surprised you are.
Zimmerman automatically assumed Martin was going to commit a crime and he went into the situation armed. If anyone was going to lose his life that night, it should have been Zimmerman. The world would be better off if that had happened instead.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 12, 2016, 02:45:33 PM
Uh, way to downplay everything. At the end of the call Martin had run away. It's just Zimmerman who claimed he came back and attacked him. We have no idea who attacked who and never will. Given everything that we have found out about Zimmerman, including his auction of the freaking gun and his comments to the parents, I'm not inclined to believe him. I'm not surprised you are.
Zimmerman automatically assumed Martin was going to commit a crime and he went into the situation armed. If anyone was going to lose his life that night, it should have been Zimmerman. The world would be better off if that had happened instead.
Zimmerman is a lying bundle of sticks, I could believe he hunted that kid like a deer. His story was ten pounds of bullshit in a five pound bag. I don't know the other kid and if he was good or bad but based on the body of evidence, how can anyone think Zimmerman had altruistic intentions?
Post by: JFIF on July 12, 2016, 02:47:59 PM
Do we have to go through the whole Zimmerman thing again? Zimmerman was a hoo-ha, but there wasn't anything illegal about being suspicious about someone and calling the cops. Martin confronted him, started beating the excrement out of him, Zimmerman felt threatened and shot Martin. Could it all have been avoided had Zimmerman not followed Martin? Sure. But it could also have been avoided if Martin didn't attack Zimmerman.
You should have just stopped there.
Post by: Tommy on July 12, 2016, 02:50:46 PM
Zimmerman is a lying bundle of sticks, I could believe he hunted that kid like a deer. His story was ten pounds of bullshit in a five bag. I don't know the other kid and if he was good or bad but based on the body of evidence, how can anyone think Zimmerman had altruistic intentions?
No, Zimmerman was a loser who wanted to be a hero. He looks like a giant hoo-ha so I can't see any way he'd start the actual fight. Martin rightfully confronted him, but he probably shoved Zimmerman off or started the scuffle. You could clearly tell from the police photos and evidence that it was Zimmerman who ended up on the floor. Martin was probably on top of him and trying to bash his head in. Again, I'd probably do the same thing if I were him. Zimmerman probably felt his life was in danger, again he could've avoided the entire thing, but he legally shot Martin. "Hunting him like deer" is a dumbass way of describing the situation.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 12, 2016, 03:17:49 PM
No, Zimmerman was a loser who wanted to be a hero. He looks like a giant hoo-ha so I can't see any way he'd start the actual fight. Martin rightfully confronted him, but he probably shoved Zimmerman off or started the scuffle. You could clearly tell from the police photos and evidence that it was Zimmerman who ended up on the floor. Martin was probably on top of him and trying to bash his head in. Again, I'd probably do the same thing if I were him. Zimmerman probably felt his life was in danger, again he could've avoided the entire thing, but he legally shot Martin. "Hunting him like deer" is a dumbass way of describing the situation.
You know Tommy I largely stay out of your political fights because 95% of the time you're wrong, you usually just eat up the vomit of any side you want to believe.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 12, 2016, 04:07:09 PM
You should have just stopped there.
He should have. No one would have disagreed. Instead, he went out of his way to look like a shithead and get people turned against him.
Basically, Tommy is dcm's BLM.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 12, 2016, 04:36:05 PM
No, Zimmerman was a loser who wanted to be a hero. He looks like a giant hoo-ha so I can't see any way he'd start the actual fight. Martin rightfully confronted him, but he probably shoved Zimmerman off or started the scuffle. You could clearly tell from the police photos and evidence that it was Zimmerman who ended up on the floor. Martin was probably on top of him and trying to bash his head in. Again, I'd probably do the same thing if I were him. Zimmerman probably felt his life was in danger, again he could've avoided the entire thing, but he legally shot Martin. "Hunting him like deer" is a dumbass way of describing the situation.
I think a large part of what you said is true, and I don't feel bad for Martin knowing that he played a large role in his ultimate fate.
BUT at the same time I also think Zimmerman had some kind of underlying mental inadequacy or whatever you want to call it, and ultimately pulled the trigger because of some inferiority complex or underlying anger issues (likely related to an inferiority complex)
It was probably within his legal rights to shoot him, but it also was probably also unnecessary and he did it for some underlying mental issues
That said I have no freaking idea why I (or anyone) is discussing some excrement they happened like, 3 years ago.
Post by: Johnny English on July 12, 2016, 04:39:37 PM
That said I have no freaking idea why I (or anyone) is discussing some excrement they happened like, 3 years ago.
Nor I. As I said in my previous post, if large sections of the public sided with Zimmerman there's absolutely no way that "the American public will heavily but not completely be behind" BLM when they're accusing the thin blue line of transgression. It had nothing to do with Zimmerman's guilt, but the general public's perception of his guilt.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 12, 2016, 04:49:05 PM
Nor I. As I said in my previous post, if large sections of the public sided with Zimmerman there's absolutely no way that "the American public will heavily but not completely be behind" BLM when they're accusing the thin blue line of transgression. It had nothing to do with Zimmerman's guilt, but the general public's perception of his guilt.
There's a difference between playing the victim, and saying let's do it better.
If you combined the recent black examples of police excess and it's media attention and mixed in other races, and said police aren't doing a good enough job let's do better. I think you'd have a unified front in promoting change instead of a race war
Post by: dcm1602 on July 12, 2016, 04:50:59 PM
Nor I. As I said in my previous post, if large sections of the public sided with Zimmerman there's absolutely no way that "the American public will heavily but not completely be behind" BLM when they're accusing the thin blue line of transgression. It had nothing to do with Zimmerman's guilt, but the general public's perception of his guilt.
Zimmerman was really the first piece of national attention though. Meaning it was easy to not see it as an epidemic
But repeat after repeat incidents... And you will sway folks with an open mind. Although there have been some very shitty examples in there like the bone headed thug from Ferguson
Post by: Tommy on July 12, 2016, 05:06:52 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 12, 2016, 10:47:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 12, 2016, 11:17:06 PM
Post by: Tommy on July 12, 2016, 11:24:06 PM
https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/752705515768078336
Oh my fuckn God. Did she just call that fuckn shooter a "martyr"? And Shaun King praised her for it? And people wonder why people are racists against blacks in this country. Look no further than these fuckn gems of society.
Post by: Johnny English on July 12, 2016, 11:51:24 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/12/canada-tenors-all-lives-matter-all-star-game-national-anthem
It should be pointed out that the guy who actually sung that bit is from Boston, has already been kicked out of the band as a result, and is almost certainly a Patriots and Red Sox fan and therefore a massive racist queynte.
Post by: Tommy on July 13, 2016, 05:56:33 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2016, 08:19:07 AM
It should be pointed out that the guy who actually sung that bit is from Boston, has already been kicked out of the band as a result, and is almost certainly a Patriots and Red Sox fan and therefore a massive racist queynte.
Apparently he's also a Flat Earth conspiracy theorist.
http://allthecanadianpolitics.tumblr.com/post/147320205279/so-remigio-pereira-of-the-tenors-the-guy-who
Guy seems like a real winner.
Post by: JFIF on July 13, 2016, 08:22:36 AM
Apparently he's also a Flat Earth conspiracy theorist.
http://allthecanadianpolitics.tumblr.com/post/147320205279/so-remigio-pereira-of-the-tenors-the-guy-who
Guy seems like a real winner.
the heroin will take care of that problem
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 13, 2016, 09:25:40 AM
Oh my fuckn God. Did she just call that fuckn shooter a "martyr"? And Shaun King praised her for it? And people wonder why people are racists against blacks in this country. Look no further than these fuckn gems of society.
So people are racist because they think a few people are representative of an entire race? It's a wonder anyone likes anyone from a different race.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 13, 2016, 09:31:07 AM
Oh my fuckn God. Did she just call that fuckn shooter a "martyr"? And Shaun King praised her for it? And people wonder why people are racists against blacks in this country. Look no further than these fuckn gems of society.
As much as I hate to defend Shaun King, he called it "Painful. Searing. Transparent." It was all of those things. She opened up knowing that she was going to face a ton of criticism and flat out said "This is wrong." She knows how awful it is for her to feel that way and said so. Every step of the way she said her feelings were wrong and awful and she seemed upset that she couldn't stop feeling that way. It's a freaking disgusting way to look at the situation. The guy is as far from a martyr as you can get, but it's pretty powerful that she's willing to admit that she can't control those feelings because of what's been happening to her own people.
She's going to get rightfully excrement on and attacked and threatened and a million other negative responses that she acknowledges she deserves. She says it anyway. It was an admission more than anything else.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 13, 2016, 11:30:14 AM
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“What Micah did was wrong, period,” she told WPMI. “Maybe martyr wasn’t the right word but it was what came to mind at that time.”
#shitpost
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 13, 2016, 11:34:49 AM
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Ms. James‘ employer, the South Florida PBS affiliate WPBT, said in a statement Monday night that she had been suspended.
“WPBT2 South Florida PBS does not condone the personal statements made by one of its independent contractors regarding the events in Dallas,” the statement said. “It placed the contractor on administrative leave while it actively and carefully looks further into the matter and will determine additional course of actions based on its thorough review of the matter.”
Post by: dcm1602 on July 13, 2016, 11:41:32 AM
BLM can suck a big fat dick.
Harvard professor (who happens to be black, and a BLM sympathizer) did a study to show the racial bias in police shootings. Results are police are... More likely to shoot a white person (I think it was 20%) than a black person.
They did find that non lethal rates were slightly higher for blacks 15-20% than whites however
Post by: JFIF on July 13, 2016, 12:49:26 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.amp.html?client=ms-android-verizon#
BLM can suck a big fat dick.
Harvard professor (who happens to be black, and a BLM sympathizer) did a study to show the racial bias in police shootings. Results are police are... More likely to shoot a white person (I think it was 20%) than a black person.
They did find that non lethal rates were slightly higher for blacks 15-20% than whites however
Study is specific to NYC.
NYPD has had magnified history because of specific shootings/incidents but the amount of minority cops and general pluralism of New York City makes it a different standard. I get why people from New York generally roll their eyes at most racial discussions (I used to too), but the way much of the world works isn't as progressive as New York City. It's weird to see it first hand but it exists.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 13, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Study is specific to NYC.
NYPD has had magnified history because of specific shootings/incidents but the amount of minority cops and general pluralism of New York City makes it a different standard. I get why people from New York generally roll their eyes at most racial discussions (I used to too), but the way much of the world works isn't as progressive as New York City. It's weird to see it first hand but it exists.
The study examined more than 1,000 shootings in 10 major police departments, in Texas, Florida and California.
Post by: JFIF on July 13, 2016, 01:01:12 PM
The study examined more than 1,000 shootings in 10 major police departments, in Texas, Florida and California.
ah. the graphic shows new york city specifically.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 13, 2016, 01:11:04 PM
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TMZ – Cleveland Browns player Isaiah Crowell’s apology for a tasteless social media attack on cops is falling on deaf ears — and in fact, police tell TMZ Sports … they’ll pull out of the Browns’ stadium in protest.
Crowell got blasted for posting an illustration last week of a cop getting his throat slashed by a masked person. He posted it on Wednesday — after Alton Sterling and Philando Castile’s deaths, but the day before 5 Dallas officers were shot and killed.
The running back deleted the post and the Browns demanded he publicly apologize, which he did.
But Stephen Loomis, President of Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association, thinks the “store-bought apology” isn’t enough. “He needs to go to Dallas, help the families who lost their loved ones last week, write them a check, look them in the eyes and give a heartfelt apology.”
Loomis says Crowell’s post was as “offensive as putting a picture of historical African-American men being hung from a tree in the 60s.” He adds that if Crowell doesn’t go to Dallas and make a donation, “I will pull Cleveland officers, sheriffs, state troopers out of First Energy Stadium this season if he doesn’t make it right.”
As for Crowell admitting he was wrong and acted out of rage — Loomis says, “You’re a grown derriere man, and you claim you were too emotional to know it was wrong? Think we’ll accept your apology? Kiss my derriere.”
Kiss my derriere! (Tom Coughlin voice)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 13, 2016, 01:12:24 PM
Post by: Pope on July 13, 2016, 01:17:01 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 13, 2016, 01:35:28 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2016, 01:42:24 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 13, 2016, 02:12:45 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2016, 02:17:23 PM
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Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association president Stephen Loomis said the CPPA accepts Isaiah Crowell's latest apology from Wednesday morning, and the police will not boycott Browns games this year.
Loomis is the one who called Crowell's initial apology "store bought" and threatened to have the police boycott all of the Browns' games this season as a result. On Wednesday, Crowell issued another apology, vowed to donate his Week 1 game check to the Dallas Fallen Officers Foundation, and connect with the police in the community. Crowell knows he made a mistake.
Still a freaking tool.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 13, 2016, 02:30:51 PM
And if the picture itself isn't the worst part but like how freaking retarded do you need to be to post something like that online and attach your name to it?
Like could he really not figure out that he would get an incredibly harsh response?
Hell the nfl should suspend him for that excrement. If a white player did the white equivalent he would almost certainly be cut , unless he played QB
Post by: JFIF on July 13, 2016, 02:42:16 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 13, 2016, 03:42:25 PM
Crowell kind of sucks to begin with so this doesn't help. I'm sure somebody will sign him in November, though.unless I miss something he wasn't cut
Post by: Miamipuck on July 13, 2016, 04:04:00 PM
Still a freaking tool.
What if he doesn't get a first game check? He's definitely a tool.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 13, 2016, 05:40:01 PM
https://www.facebook.com/FallenMarvel/videos/1033071433395399/
Grainier YouTube link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DRoTHnt5Fg
Post by: Pope on July 13, 2016, 05:55:28 PM
https://youtu.be/f2GMcjNyAyI
Post by: Miamipuck on July 13, 2016, 06:40:03 PM
As stupid as Crowell is, he's got the best hype video of all time
https://youtu.be/f2GMcjNyAyI
This one is way way better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrevDYTvX58
Post by: Tommy on July 13, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2016, 08:08:19 AM
Okay I get there's bias that may lead to excessive police violence but holy excrement people are acting like they're living in Alabama in the early 60s.
So your position is essentially, "Stop whining, at least we're not lynching you"?
Post by: Tommy on July 14, 2016, 08:34:46 AM
So your position is essentially, "Stop whining, at least we're not lynching you"?
Yeah, they're the ones dividing the country. I'm sick and tired of the constant complaining. Not just black people, but everyone in general. Just stfu, go to work, spend your money, live your life. Stop these frivolous fuckn' movements.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 14, 2016, 10:43:53 AM
So your position is essentially, "Stop whining, at least we're not lynching you"?
If you reword that, it can easily work for any culture, race, creed or religion"
Jews:
"Stop whining, at least we're not showering you"
Chinese:
"Stop whining, at least we're not making you work the railroads"
Japanese:
" stop whining, at least you're not in an internment camp"
Irish:
"stop whining, at least you're not in prohibition"
Italian:
"stop whining, at least we're not showering you"
Cubans:
"stop whining, at least you're not in a raft"
Post by: NDMick on July 14, 2016, 11:12:46 AM
Yeah, they're the ones dividing the country. I'm sick and tired of the constant complaining. Not just black people, but everyone in general. Just stfu, go to work, spend your money, live your life. Stop these frivolous fuckn' movements.
So, keep Calm and Carry on, then.
Post by: JFIF on July 14, 2016, 11:17:21 AM
They're fantastic
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 14, 2016, 02:22:05 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Vlf0SISTs&feature=youtu.be
#thankyoubasedgod
Post by: Badger on July 14, 2016, 09:53:13 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 14, 2016, 10:01:53 PM
https://www.gofundme.com/2ddma8z8
Apparently I donated.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 14, 2016, 10:12:26 PM
https://www.gofundme.com/2ddma8z8
Don't know anything about Africa, but pretty sure it shouldn't cost 100,000$ to move there
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 14, 2016, 10:27:09 PM
Don't know anything about Africa, but pretty sure it shouldn't cost 100,000$ to move there
Yeah but if he had made a more achievable target he may actually have to do it. This is just the biggest "I'll move to Canada!" threat ever. The fact that he thinks he's making a point by saying "If you really want black people gone you'll pay $100k a person!" is hilarious. The fact people in the comments think it's brilliant is sadly unsurprising.
Post by: Badger on July 14, 2016, 10:34:19 PM
Yeah but if he had made a more achievable target he may actually have to do it. This is just the biggest "I'll move to Canada!" threat ever. The fact that he thinks he's making a point by saying "If you really want black people gone you'll pay $100k a person!" is hilarious. The fact people in the comments think it's brilliant is sadly unsurprising.
dcm mode engaged
Between Section 8, food stamps, and prison, maybe it's worth it to pay the $100k up front and move them.
/dcm mode
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 14, 2016, 10:40:00 PM
dcm mode engaged
Between Section 8, food stamps, and prison, maybe it's worth it to pay the $100k up front and move them.
/dcm mode
I'd chip in just to watch him have to follow through and go.
Post by: Johnny English on July 15, 2016, 12:03:45 AM
Post by: Tommy on July 15, 2016, 06:32:46 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 15, 2016, 07:24:56 AM
I still don't understand why they aren't hitting the streets to help stop black on black murders in places like Chicago. Apparently even blacks don't even think black lives matter.
There is tons of black activism in Chicago but it doesn't get any media coverage. Those stories don't get pageviews. Obviously it isn't doing that much to help, though.
Post by: Tommy on July 15, 2016, 08:45:17 AM
There is tons of black activism in Chicago but it doesn't get any media coverage. Those stories don't get pageviews. Obviously it isn't doing that much to help, though.
http://insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/50219
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 15, 2016, 09:30:46 AM
Post by: JFIF on July 15, 2016, 09:31:52 AM
So her solution is to just light a match and burn Chicago to the ground? I guess that's one way to end crime there.
That really worked out well for that city the first time.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 15, 2016, 10:10:27 AM
I still don't understand why they aren't hitting the streets to help stop black on black murders in places like Chicago. Apparently even blacks don't even think black lives matter.
The short answer should be readily understandable for you: self preservation. As you said, your sole concern is for the ability to live your life. Blacks in the inner city frequently have to balance everything with an eye to self-preservation. There are vigils and community action, but the more confrontational protests are met with intimidation and fear. Most people would shockingly rather not die. It's different with police action. There's not the same expectation of immediate retaliation and the expectation is that the police are there to serve and protect. The greater fear is not doing anything and having to instruct their young men how to handle a police stop so as not to end up attacked. It's a very real concern and something that many black parents are actually teaching their kids now.
Bottom line: don't confront gang bangers if you don't want to get shot, but there are certainly community actions against inner city violence.
Chicago was a good example. Aside from maybe Detroit, no city has more lopsided numbers of homicides among the black community.
Post by: Tommy on July 15, 2016, 10:15:10 AM
The short answer should be readily understandable for you: self preservation. As you said, your sole concern is for the ability to live your life. Blacks in the inner city frequently have to balance everything with an eye to self-preservation. There are vigils and community action, but the more confrontational protests are met with intimidation and fear. Most people would shockingly rather not die. It's different with police action. There's not the same expectation of immediate retaliation and the expectation is that the police are there to serve and protect. The greater fear is not doing anything and having to instruct their young men how to handle a police stop so as not to end up attacked. It's a very real concern and something that many black parents are actually teaching their kids now.
Bottom line: don't confront gang bangers if you don't want to get shot, but there are certainly community actions against inner city violence.
Chicago was a good example. Aside from maybe Detroit, no city has more lopsided numbers of homicides among the black community.
Why does that talk need to happen anyway? There's only one way to handle a cop, politely answer their questions. If you give them any reason to believe that you're trying to resist arrest, then they'll take action, no matter what color. I just think people who grow up in certain neighborhoods are more prone to approaching cops like they're invincible.
Post by: JFIF on July 15, 2016, 10:18:37 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 15, 2016, 12:37:25 PM
Why does that talk need to happen anyway? There's only one way to handle a cop, politely answer their questions. If you give them any reason to believe that you're trying to resist arrest, then they'll take action, no matter what color. I just think people who grow up in certain neighborhoods are more prone to approaching cops like they're invincible.
What? No. A black man has to act WAY more deferential to a cop than a white man does. I'm not sure how you can even debate that. "Resisting arrest" isn't even a thing in the majority of traffic stops. It only becomes possible when a cop decides you've committed an offense for which you can even be arrested.
Post by: Johnny English on July 15, 2016, 12:40:49 PM
What? No. A black man has to act WAY more deferential to a cop than a white man does. I'm not sure how you can even debate that. "Resisting arrest" isn't even a thing in the majority of traffic stops. It only becomes possible when a cop decides you've committed an offense for which you can even be arrested.
I actually almost posted Henry Rollins' latest column yesterday, which addresses almost this exact thing (but in a wider context).
http://www.laweekly.com/music/henry-rollins-white-america-couldnt-handle-what-black-america-deals-with-every-day-7134994
Disclaimer: I freaking love Henry Rollins. Even when he's being a dick he's pretty much always right. You should totally make him President, although it's the very last thing he'd want.
Post by: JFIF on July 15, 2016, 12:47:09 PM
I actually almost posted Henry Rollins' latest column yesterday, which addresses almost this exact thing (but in a wider context).
http://www.laweekly.com/music/henry-rollins-white-america-couldnt-handle-what-black-america-deals-with-every-day-7134994
Disclaimer: I freaking love Henry Rollins. Even when he's being a dick he's pretty much always right. You should totally make him President, although it's the very last thing he'd want.
I guess you missed this article then.
http://www.laweekly.com/music/henry-rollins-doesnt-smoke-marijuana-but-he-has-no-problem-with-it-4167221
Post by: Johnny English on July 15, 2016, 12:50:03 PM
I guess you missed this article then.
http://www.laweekly.com/music/henry-rollins-doesnt-smoke-marijuana-but-he-has-no-problem-with-it-4167221
I agree with him almost entirely on that, as I have said numerous times before. I have no desire to ever touch weed (or any other drug for that matter, bar alcohol) ever again, but I hate the amount of tax money wasted on policing it. I'm pro the legalisation of controlled access to pretty much all narcotics.
Post by: JFIF on July 15, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
I agree with him almost entirely on that, as I have said numerous times before. I have no desire to ever touch weed (or any other drug for that matter, bar alcohol) ever again, but I hate the amount of tax money wasted on policing it. I'm pro the legalisation of controlled access to pretty much all narcotics.
the gateway drug part is specifically what I was referring to.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 15, 2016, 12:52:16 PM
Post by: JFIF on July 15, 2016, 12:54:15 PM
Totally right by Rollins. I'm thankful as freak to have been born a white man. I don't have to deal with excrement, and it's awesome. At the same time, I see and understand how much harder people I care about have it. I'm always going to hope for change and try to change minds. That's the thing I don't get about people on both sides of the privilege argument. Yeah, I'm thankful as freak to have privilege. I wouldn't say I feel guilty. That seems silly. It's nothing I controlled. At the same time< I absolutely believe that privilege shouldn't exist. People seem to think you either have to be a self loathing white man or a racist. It's just stupid.
that is really annoying.
I make the comparison between empathy and "here, freak my wife!"
Post by: Johnny English on July 15, 2016, 12:54:32 PM
the gateway drug part is specifically what I was referring to.
Again, I agree with him entirely on that. It's a gateway to illegality - if you make that jump to try weed despite it being illegal and decide that you like it, the step to other more dangerous drugs is much smaller. Make weed legal and something else becomes that gateway - most likely some form of amphetamine - but fewer people will take that step, I think. Of course, if it's legal to use any drug under controlled circumstances then the whole idea of a gateway largely goes away.
Post by: JFIF on July 15, 2016, 01:01:14 PM
Again, I agree with him entirely on that. It's a gateway to illegality - if you make that jump to try weed despite it being illegal and decide that you like it, the step to other more dangerous drugs is much smaller. Make weed legal and something else becomes that gateway - most likely some form of amphetamine - but fewer people will take that step, I think. Of course, if it's legal to use any drug under controlled circumstances then the whole idea of a gateway largely goes away.
I don't recall you using gateway in that fashion at all.
Not sure if you moved off your original position since then though.
Post by: Johnny English on July 15, 2016, 01:05:58 PM
I don't recall you using gateway in that fashion at all.
Not sure if you moved off your original position since then though.
How else would something be considered a gateway drug if not under the framework of legality? Weed is the gateway because it's by far the most pervasive and accessible illegal narcotic. When we try it and find that it's not dangerous and actually feels good, it's a logical conclusion to think that other drugs deemed dangerous and bad might actually not be either. While some narcotic substances are illegal and others not, there will always be a gateway.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 15, 2016, 02:01:58 PM
Totally right by Rollins. I'm thankful as freak to have been born a white man. I don't have to deal with excrement, and it's awesome. At the same time, I see and understand how much harder people I care about have it. I'm always going to hope for change and try to change minds. That's the thing I don't get about people on both sides of the privilege argument. Yeah, I'm thankful as freak to have privilege. I wouldn't say I feel guilty. That seems silly. It's nothing I controlled. At the same time< I absolutely believe that privilege shouldn't exist. People seem to think you either have to be a self loathing white man or a racist. It's just stupid.
So much this.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 17, 2016, 11:01:23 AM
Post by: Tommy on July 17, 2016, 11:17:01 AM
Post by: JFIF on July 17, 2016, 11:24:50 AM
Cops should retaliate by just leaving all black neighborhoods unprotected. freak them.
Punish everybody for the few? Okay.
Post by: Tommy on July 17, 2016, 11:27:00 AM
Punish everybody for the few? Okay.
They're damned if they do damned if they don't anyway.
Just waiting for Iggy to post another courageous video from a black person expressing their retarded conflicting feelings about this.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 17, 2016, 11:28:50 AM
Post by: Tommy on July 17, 2016, 11:32:22 AM
Police officers will always have to act as the bigger person. As much as they want to retaliate, it's not what his right or fair to others.
I wasn't really being serious anyway. Cops have a sworn duty to protect the people, and that's what they do 99.9% of the time. Yeah, there are some poopchute cops, and yeah racial profiling exists, but what exactly can you do about it? Also, excrement like this will only make those trigger fingers more itchy.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 17, 2016, 01:06:41 PM
They're damned if they do damned if they don't anyway.
Just waiting for Iggy to post another courageous video from a black person expressing their retarded conflicting feelings about this.
Oh man, I'm so far under your skin. It's awesome.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 17, 2016, 01:08:02 PM
Police officers will always have to act as the bigger person. As much as they want to retaliate, it's not what his right or fair to others.
Naw, a few people clearly should cast an entire group under suspicion.
You know what, someone posted an article today pointing out that the number one common thread connecting mass shooters and violent criminals, more predictive than race or religion, is that they're almost all male. We should probably just start treating every man in this country like a potential threat.
EDIT: Here it is. I mean, it's so obvious that it elicits a response of "Well, no excrement", but it certainly merits consideration of statistics before condemning entire groups. http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-police-mass-shooting-men-women-gender-20160715-snap-story.html
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 17, 2016, 01:09:01 PM
I wasn't really being serious anyway. Cops have a sworn duty to protect the people, and that's what they do 99.9% of the time. Yeah, there are some poopchute cops, and yeah racial profiling exists, but what exactly can you do about it? Also, excrement like this will only make those trigger fingers more itchy.
Yes you were.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 17, 2016, 01:41:08 PM
Punish everybody for the few? Okay.
Isn't that what black lives matter is all about?
Both them and Obama have basically condemned all police officers as racist savage pieces of excrement who brutalize everybody of color.
Obviously Tommy was being dramatic but this excrement is fucked up. There's a wave of hate and animosity against BLM (and unfortunately to an extent against the black community) because their anti cop rhetoric has been getting completely innocent police officers murdered.
If they were targeting the people directly involved in questionable shootings that's wrong but at least debatable. But this is just oh let's murder anybody who is a cop. The black community is using ignorance as a weapon, which just further perpetuates more ignorance and racism.
Like literally every time a black "vigilante" murders an innocent police officer it creates more racism across the nation.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 17, 2016, 01:44:13 PM
And this is going to get soooo much worse when a white person ends up going crazy and doing something horrific at a black lives matter event.
Then this entire country is going to end up with the worst race relations probably of our lifetime and probably a full blown race war.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 17, 2016, 01:50:52 PM
Isn't that what black lives matter is all about?
Both them and Obama have basically condemned all police officers as racist savage pieces of excrement who brutalize everybody of color.
Obviously Tommy was being dramatic but this excrement is fucked up. There's a wave of hate and animosity against BLM (and unfortunately to an extent against the black community) because their anti cop rhetoric has been getting completely innocent police officers murdered.
If they were targeting the people directly involved in questionable shootings that's wrong but at least debatable. But this is just oh let's murder anybody who is a cop. The black community is using ignorance as a weapon, which just further perpetuates more ignorance and racism.
Like literally every time a black "vigilante" murders an innocent police officer it creates more racism across the nation.
Obama hasn't condemned all officers as racist savage pieces of excrement. He's said that departments need to find and get rid of racist pieces of excrement. Disagree with his handling of the situation, but he doesn't deserve to get lumped in with the extremists in BLM.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 17, 2016, 01:54:32 PM
Too often, law enforcement gets scapegoated for broader failures of our society and our criminal-justice system. You do your job with distinction no matter the challenges you face. But we can’t expect you to contain and control problems that the rest of us aren’t willing to face or do anything about‚ problems ranging from substandard education to a shortage of jobs and opportunity, an absence of drug-treatment programs, and laws that result in it being easier in too many neighborhoods for a young person to purchase a gun than a book.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 17, 2016, 01:56:48 PM
Obama hasn't condemned all officers as racist savage pieces of excrement. He's said that departments need to find and get rid of racist pieces of excrement. Disagree with his handling of the situation, but he doesn't deserve to get lumped in with the extremists in BLM.
He has done a poor job at staying neutral and sticking to the facts. On multiple occasions he has chosen sides, and has gotten criticized significantly for it. From what I recall it started with his handling of Ferguson where he let the whole nation know where he stands. I think he has gotten somewhat better since then, but he and other politicians have only made matters worse
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 17, 2016, 02:02:16 PM
He has done a poor job at staying neutral and sticking to the facts. On multiple occasions he has chosen sides, and has gotten criticized significantly for it. From what I recall it started with his handling of Ferguson where he let the whole nation know where he stands. I think he has gotten somewhat better since then, but he and other politicians have only made matters worse
"Disagree with his handling of the situation". That's what you just did in your reply. That's absolutely fair. What I have an issue with is your claim that he has "condemned all police officers as racist savage pieces of excrement who brutalize everybody of color." That was horseshit. There are members of BLM who are absolutely extremists. You diminish that when you say they're all doing it and overreact to what the president has done.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 17, 2016, 02:08:53 PM
"Disagree with his handling of the situation". That's what you just did in your reply. That's absolutely fair. What I have an issue with is your claim that he has "condemned all police officers as racist savage pieces of excrement who brutalize everybody of color." That was horseshit. There are members of BLM who are absolutely extremists. You diminish that when you say they're all doing it and overreact to what the president has done.
Fair enough.
I exaggerate everything, and certainly have done so here.
Plus I don't like Obama
Though I absolutely think he has sided with the BLM movement more so than police officers. And now thst I remember it started way before Ferguson when some black guy he knew got arrested and Obama said the police acted stupidly
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 17, 2016, 02:18:35 PM
Fair enough.
I exaggerate everything, and certainly have done so here.
Plus I don't like Obama
Though I absolutely think he has sided with the BLM movement more so than police officers. And now thst I remember it started way before Ferguson when some black guy he knew got arrested and Obama said the police acted stupidly
Henry Louis Gates? Yeah, what he said wasn't presidential. At all. It was a big foot in mouth moment. What he said wasn't wrong, though. When you arrest a man for breaking into his own home right after you established that he's in his own home, you've acted stupidly. When that man is a world renowned historian at Harvard and you just saw his ID, you've REALLY acted stupidly. He wasn't just "some black guy". The guy is smarter and more accomplished than anyone on this board could hope to be.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 17, 2016, 03:36:42 PM
Henry Louis Gates? Yeah, what he said wasn't presidential. At all. It was a big foot in mouth moment. What he said wasn't wrong, though. When you arrest a man for breaking into his own home right after you established that he's in his own home, you've acted stupidly. When that man is a world renowned historian at Harvard and you just saw his ID, you've REALLY acted stupidly. He wasn't just "some black guy". The guy is smarter and more accomplished than anyone on this board could hope to be.
Yeah no, that's not exactly how it happened, Gates wasn't some altruistic black man dragged from his front porch and arrested. He was acting like a complete queynte toward that cop. People in certain circles (me) feel the arrest was justified. If it were you or I screaming at a cop like that we would be arrested as well.
Beyond that, Obama should have shut his big fat mouth over that incident. The cop involved was a decorated veteran of the Cambridge Police, specifically lauded for his relations with black people.
This was the moment I started to hate that queynte Obama with a passion. I remember it well, he looked so bad over his words he had to invite both to the White House to diffuse the matter. He hasn't recovered, his image in law enforcement circles,
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 17, 2016, 05:07:49 PM
Yeah no, that's not exactly how it happened, Gates wasn't some altruistic black man dragged from his front porch and arrested. He was acting like a complete queynte toward that cop. People in certain circles (me) feel the arrest was justified. If it were you or I screaming at a cop like that we would be arrested as well.
Beyond that, Obama should have shut his big fat mouth over that incident. The cop involved was a decorated veteran of the Cambridge Police, specifically lauded for his relations with black people.
This was the moment I started to hate that queynte Obama with a passion. I remember it well, he looked so bad over his words he had to invite both to the White House to diffuse the matter. He hasn't recovered, his image in law enforcement circles,
I didn't say it was racial. I said it was stupid to arrest a man in his own home when you determined it was his own home. Cops are trained to calm and defuse a situation like that where no force is in play. A partially disabled guy doesn't fit the bill.
I've used that training to my advantage. I learned it from the mother of a friend in high school. I was driving in a very rustic little area with friends in high school. I had a truck at that point and it had rained that morning, so there was water in a big dip in the road. Went flying through it and apparently sprayed water all over a guy in his yard. Drove around for a while since it was basically dirt roads with sharp turns, then came back through 30 minutes later. Decided to hit the dip going 70 in a residential and went right by the officer responding.
I panicked and said there's no way that guy could turn around and catch up to me. Went flying through to a friend's house and rolled the big wooden gate in front shut. Went inside to play video games and wait it out. 15 minutes later, my friend's brother comes in and says "Popos are here for you." He was pissed because he had a shed in the yard where he grew weed. Anyway, I go out and the cop is screaming at me. He's got me on reckless driving, reckless endangerment, destruction of property, on and on. I'm arguing with him and my friend's mom comes out and just starts screaming.
The cop calms the freak down to defuse and ends up not even giving me a written warning, in part because he said I was doing 45 and it was clear he had no clue what I was driving so I argued I thought it wasn't residential because of a store and steakhouse on the corner of the canyon road.
The mom later told me that as a protestor in the 60s, they learned that an angry cop's training kicks in when confronted with non-violent anger. So I've always remembered that and confirmed it with cops and deputies who lived on my parents' street. So no, I don't think it is reasonable to say you or I would have been arrested. The cop made a stupid mistake. Gates made a stupid mistake. Obama made a stupid mistake. That's why the whole thing ended with all three of them having a beer and saying "sorry".
Post by: Fenwyr on July 17, 2016, 07:41:30 PM
On a side note 3 innocent police officers are dead.
And this is going to get soooo much worse when a white person ends up going crazy and doing something horrific at a black lives matter event.
Then this entire country is going to end up with the worst race relations probably of our lifetime and probably a full blown race war.
Last time I checked the shooter, Gavin Long's race has not been released, and one of the dead cops is black. What else you got?
Post by: Heismanberg on July 17, 2016, 07:44:13 PM
Last time I checked the shooter, Gavin Long's race has not been released, and one of the dead cops is black. What else you got?
He's black, a member of the Nation of Islam, and he had a Youtube channel where he posted hate videos.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 17, 2016, 07:45:59 PM
http://www.people.com/article/baton-rouge-shooting-montrell-jackson-victim
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 17, 2016, 07:46:51 PM
He's black, a member of the Nation of Islam, and he had a Youtube channel where he posted hate videos.
What else you got?
Post by: Tommy on July 17, 2016, 07:53:55 PM
Post by: Badger on July 17, 2016, 09:39:22 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 17, 2016, 09:45:20 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160718/6b15eca970e7625f4b3f35f306a90242.png)
Wonder if they'll make a version for the police officers they're murdering.
Or if they don't count as people
Post by: Fenwyr on July 17, 2016, 09:45:26 PM
He's black, a member of the Nation of Islam, and he had a Youtube channel where he posted hate videos.
Yes, I saw that come out too. Doesn't change my response to DCM one bit. He was spouting off about all out race war before we even knew the shooter's race.
Post by: Fenwyr on July 17, 2016, 09:47:37 PM
Wonder if they'll make a version for the police officers they're murdering.
Or if they don't count as people
One big difference. The black murderers are dead. The white murderers are on administrative leave with pay.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 17, 2016, 10:12:58 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 17, 2016, 10:14:36 PM
Wonder if they'll make a version for the police officers they're murdering.
Or if they don't count as people
https://www.change.org/p/u-s-congress-common-sense-gun-control-legislation?utm_source=embedded_petition_view
Post by: dcm1602 on July 17, 2016, 10:21:43 PM
Yes, I saw that come out too. Doesn't change my response to DCM one bit. He was spouting off about all out race war before we even knew the shooter's race.
Actually the shooters race was known long ago. I believe they had said he was black, wore a ski mask and body armor. His name and all that excrement was not out at the time
Post by: dcm1602 on July 17, 2016, 10:23:36 PM
One big difference. The black murderers are dead. The white murderers are on administrative leave with pay.
I would think the big difference is the cops didn't intentionally murder anybody. Yes some of them fucked up, but it likely wasn't intentional. While these police murdering were premeditated racist ignorance in its worst form
Post by: dcm1602 on July 18, 2016, 10:58:19 AM
Post by: Tommy on July 18, 2016, 11:32:50 AM
In regards to BLM why is everyone worried about a shooting in Cleveland?
Because at some point people decided that Trump was racist against black people.
Post by: Johnny English on July 18, 2016, 11:47:06 AM
Because at some point people decided that Trump was racist against black people.
Was it at the point when he took out a full page ad demanding the death penalty for the Central Park Five?
Maybe the point where he said that he hated black guys counting his money?
Or perhaps the point at which he said that "there's no such thing as racism any more. We've had a black President so it's not a question any more"?
Even the point where he said that "if black lives matter, then go back to Africa"?
At which point will you actually realise it, Tommy?
Post by: bojanglesman on July 18, 2016, 08:27:36 PM
http://wtvr.com/2016/07/18/black-lives-matter-protest-shuts-down-i-95-during-rush-hour/
Looks like a scene from PCU.
Post by: Badger on July 18, 2016, 08:27:50 PM
Post by: Tommy on July 18, 2016, 08:37:18 PM
It's a wonder they didn't get mowed down. Blocking I95 at rush hour? Plus, am I seeing things or are all these protestors actually just triggered white hippies?
http://wtvr.com/2016/07/18/black-lives-matter-protest-shuts-down-i-95-during-rush-hour/
Looks like a scene from PCU.
Just viewed the gallery. Looks like the majority are social justice warriors.
Post by: Pope on July 18, 2016, 08:37:45 PM
It's a wonder they didn't get mowed down. Blocking I95 at rush hour? Plus, am I seeing things or are all these protestors actually just triggered white hippies?I'd like to see these idiots pull that stunt on FDR drive or the Major Deegan, they'd probably become roadkill
http://wtvr.com/2016/07/18/black-lives-matter-protest-shuts-down-i-95-during-rush-hour/
Looks like a scene from PCU.
Post by: Tommy on July 18, 2016, 08:38:44 PM
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/18/486484323/what-we-know-about-the-suspected-baton-rouge-shooter
Quote
Last year, Long filed documents in Missouri to change his name to "Cosmo Ausar Setepenra" — and declare himself a member of the "United Washitaw De Dugdahmoundya Mu'Ur Nation."
Wtf? This dude has serious issues.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 18, 2016, 08:45:17 PM
Wtf? This dude has serious issues.
Nah, I'm sure he's like all black people and just views cops as inhuman targets of violence.
Post by: Tommy on July 18, 2016, 08:46:50 PM
Nah, I'm sure he's like all black people and just views cops as inhuman targets of violence.
Tell us again how courageous that queynte was for telling us how she didn't care about the dead Dallas cops and thought of the shooter as a martyr?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 18, 2016, 09:42:41 PM
Tell us again how courageous that queynte was for telling us how she didn't care about the dead Dallas cops and thought of the shooter as a martyr?
Ok.
That queynte was courageous because she admitted that she found herself not caring about the cops and considering the shooter as a martyr and realized how fucked up that was. She expressed a conflicted sense of loyalty and lack of humanity and was horrified by what she saw inside, which she expressed with a tinge of self loathing Rather than hide it, she admitted it so that people like you could rightfully denigrate her unwilling feelings and so that people who actually aren't so retarded that they have to deal solely in absolutes and can't see what it's like to have honest conflict. She struggled with some really excrement emotions she was feeling and didn't want to give in to.
In all honesty, I do understand why it's hard for you. You have never cared about anyone or anything in your life, and I can appreciate how blissfully unattached that makes you. It's got to be an easy way to go through life. That's what is so sad about this situation. This woman is feeling something absolutely disgusting and unconscionable, and yet the fact that she doesn't want to feel it makes her a million times the human being you could ever hope to be. Go ahead and tell me that her conflicting feelings make her a queynte, though, while you wanting to rape an underaged girl at a football game makes you just a happy go lucky self centered guy.
Post by: Badger on July 18, 2016, 09:44:43 PM
Ok.
That queynte was courageous because she admitted that she found herself not caring about the cops and considering the shooter as a martyr and realized how fucked up that was. She expressed a conflicted sense of loyalty and lack of humanity and was horrified by what she saw inside, which she expressed with a tinge of self loathing Rather than hide it, she admitted it so that people like you could rightfully denigrate her unwilling feelings and so that people who actually aren't so retarded that they have to deal solely in absolutes and can't see what it's like to have honest conflict. She struggled with some really excrement emotions she was feeling and didn't want to give in to.
In all honesty, I do understand why it's hard for you. You have never cared about anyone or anything in your life, and I can appreciate how blissfully unattached that makes you. It's got to be an easy way to go through life. That's what is so sad about this situation. This woman is feeling something absolutely disgusting and unconscionable, and yet the fact that she doesn't want to feel it makes her a million times the human being you could ever hope to be. Go ahead and tell me that her conflicting feelings make her a queynte, though, while you wanting to rape an underaged girl at a football game makes you just a happy go lucky self centered guy.
But why tho
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 18, 2016, 09:52:39 PM
But why tho
K
Post by: Heismanberg on July 18, 2016, 09:52:52 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 18, 2016, 09:55:10 PM
I'd like to see these idiots pull that stunt on FDR drive or the Major Deegan, they'd probably become roadkillThey probably didn't get run over because they were white. They rednecks around here would think it was Grand Theft Auto, black version. I'm exaggerating but still. But why. K.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 18, 2016, 10:01:18 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 18, 2016, 10:10:10 PM
I don't wanna get too much into this dreadful argument, but what would the reaction be if a white person did/said and felt the same way as her except about blacks? I'd imagine nobody on the planet would have positive things to say about them.(http://i.makeagif.com/media/10-21-2015/3E_AdY.gif)
Post by: JFIF on July 18, 2016, 10:47:59 PM
asking for a friend. His name is Timmy
Post by: Tommy on July 18, 2016, 11:02:26 PM
Ok.
That queynte was courageous because she admitted that she found herself not caring about the cops and considering the shooter as a martyr and realized how fucked up that was. She expressed a conflicted sense of loyalty and lack of humanity and was horrified by what she saw inside, which she expressed with a tinge of self loathing Rather than hide it, she admitted it so that people like you could rightfully denigrate her unwilling feelings and so that people who actually aren't so retarded that they have to deal solely in absolutes and can't see what it's like to have honest conflict. She struggled with some really excrement emotions she was feeling and didn't want to give in to.
In all honesty, I do understand why it's hard for you. You have never cared about anyone or anything in your life, and I can appreciate how blissfully unattached that makes you. It's got to be an easy way to go through life. That's what is so sad about this situation. This woman is feeling something absolutely disgusting and unconscionable, and yet the fact that she doesn't want to feel it makes her a million times the human being you could ever hope to be. Go ahead and tell me that her conflicting feelings make her a queynte, though, while you wanting to rape an underaged girl at a football game makes you just a happy go lucky self centered guy.
She's a queynte.
Post by: Tommy on July 18, 2016, 11:07:34 PM
what happened with this underaged girl?
asking for a friend. His name is Timmy
I was messing with a German family in front of us during a game. Iggy likes to exaggerate.
Post by: JFIF on July 18, 2016, 11:39:33 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on July 18, 2016, 11:53:07 PM
messing could range from light hearted comments to sexual assault
It was closer to the latter. lmao
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 19, 2016, 12:53:57 AM
I don't wanna get too much into this dreadful argument, but what would the reaction be if a white person did/said and felt the same way as her except about blacks? I'd imagine nobody on the planet would have positive things to say about them.
You can't make a direct comparison since the police don't disproportionately target whites for routine discrimination. There's a built in defense mechanism and distrust from the black community because of the way they're treated differently by law enforcement.
Let's suppose, however, this wasn't a black v blue thing but a black v white thing. If it then got turned around to someone struggling with hatred who was white, they'd be my grandfather, who got all the credit in the world for trying. He didn't show up to my sister's wedding, but he eventually put the effort in. It was hardest on my brother in law's parents, but they eventually gave him credit for at least trying. He couldn't shake those feelings, though. I know plenty of people like that. If some racist guy came out and said he had a hard time trusting blacks because they're responsible for crime and he knew the statistics didn't support him and he shouldn't feel that way but couldn't help it and hated having those feelings, I'd absolutely give him props.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 19, 2016, 12:57:57 AM
what happened with this underaged girl?
asking for a friend. His name is Timmy
I was messing with a German family in front of us during a game. Iggy likes to exaggerate.
Two guys and two daughters. Directly in front of us.
"I want to punch this guy just to see what he'd do."
"Do it and I'll throw you down a few rows myself."
"What if I just throw my beer on him? It's his own fault. Don't freaking show up if you don't know how to cheer."
Proceeds to scream in the guy's ear.
"What do you think he'd do if I raped his daughter in the derriere right in front of him?"
All of this is very easily audible to the guy. I really hope he didn't speak much English.
Post by: Hemi on July 19, 2016, 02:00:57 AM
Two guys and two daughters. Directly in front of us.
"I want to punch this guy just to see what he'd do."
"Do it and I'll throw you down a few rows myself."
"What if I just throw my beer on him? It's his own fault. Don't freaking show up if you don't know how to cheer."
Proceeds to scream in the guy's ear.
"What do you think he'd do if I raped his daughter in the derriere right in front of him?"
All of this is very easily audible to the guy. I really hope he didn't speak much English.
That is fucked up. No wonder families shouldnt' go to to football games with all the lousy drunks in the audience.
Post by: Badger on July 21, 2016, 07:40:29 AM
Thankfully he survived.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 21, 2016, 09:21:49 AM
http://uproxx.com/news/miami-police-shoot-man-hands-up
Thankfully he survived.
Clearly that same thing would have happened to you or me if we were in that situation.
Post by: ukilledkenny on July 21, 2016, 10:20:31 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 21, 2016, 10:27:36 AM
Tommy is a good reminder that excrement like karma definitely does not exist.
*throws moral compass in the trash*
Post by: dcm1602 on July 21, 2016, 11:45:38 AM
Clearly that same thing would have happened to you or me if we were in that situation.
Is it not possible that the cop is a freaking idiot?
I mean not to insult cops or anything but the people I know who become police officers aren't exactly the brightest minds America has to offer. Not to suggest they're stupid or anything but it's not like the medical field or law, or whatever where you need to be educated or skilled
But look at this case, the guy was laying on the ground with his hands up in a non violent encounter.
Even subconscious racism arguments and all that bullshit don't seem exactly applicable here
Post by: Tommy on July 21, 2016, 11:58:27 AM
Is it not possible that the cop is a freaking idiot?
I mean not to insult cops or anything but the people I know who become police officers aren't exactly the brightest minds America has to offer. Not to suggest they're stupid or anything but it's not like the medical field or law, or whatever where you need to be educated or skilled
But look at this case, the guy was laying on the ground with his hands up in a non violent encounter.
Even subconscious racism arguments and all that bullshit don't seem exactly applicable here
Everyone is prone to making dumb mistakes. Education has nothing to do with it.
Post by: Jetaho on July 21, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
Is it not possible that the cop is a freaking idiot?
I mean not to insult cops or anything but the people I know who become police officers aren't exactly the brightest minds America has to offer. Not to suggest they're stupid or anything but it's not like the medical field or law, or whatever where you need to be educated or skilled
But look at this case, the guy was laying on the ground with his hands up in a non violent encounter.
Even subconscious racism arguments and all that bullshit don't seem exactly applicable here
So if the guy looks and dresses like Robin Williams in Good Will Hunting he still gets shot? GTFO.
Post by: JFIF on July 21, 2016, 04:23:17 PM
*throws moral compass in the trash*
lol
Post by: dcm1602 on July 21, 2016, 04:38:22 PM
So if the guy looks and dresses like Robin Williams in Good Will Hunting he still gets shot? GTFO.
So what the cop said oh excrement this guy's black and laying on the ground with his hands up let me shoot him because he's black? That doesn't sound stupid to you?
This clearly sounds like a guy who is stupid and fucked up.
Even the other controversial recent shootings mostly had physical alterations or guns involved to significantly escalate the situation. This one is just bizarre as freak and makes no sense whatsoever
Post by: JFIF on July 21, 2016, 04:44:50 PM
Is it not possible that the cop is a freaking idiot?
I mean not to insult cops or anything but the people I know who become police officers aren't exactly the brightest minds America has to offer. Not to suggest they're stupid or anything but it's not like the medical field or law, or whatever where you need to be educated or skilled
But look at this case, the guy was laying on the ground with his hands up in a non violent encounter.
Even subconscious racism arguments and all that bullshit don't seem exactly applicable here
One thing I find interesting, As much as people dislike the police here, they still get paid (enough) for a livable wage and as a whole aren't as corrupt as other nation's police forces. In poorer or developing countries the police get paid dog excrement and are prone to bribes and overt corruption. The drug dealers and power players are the ones who can afford to pay them (or threaten them), and they're not willing to stand by the "law" when the law pays them excrement and can't protect them.
Now, I don't know how it compares to other wealthy countries. The fact we are a modern society with universally armed law enforcement is fairly unique and not typical in the western world.
Post by: Johnny English on July 21, 2016, 05:03:04 PM
Now, I don't know how it compares to other wealthy countries. The fact we are a modern society with universally armed law enforcement is fairly unique and not typical in the western world.
You sure about that? Pretty much every police force in Europe is routinely armed, I think - England and Ireland are generally considered the exception. Canada's police are armed as are Australia's, and Tommy would be able to tell you for sure but I think that most Asian police forces are armed.
I would venture to suggest that your ridiculous laws around civilian ownership of firearms are what make the situation unique, and a significant factor in your police being more likely to go to Defcon Blasty than others.
Post by: Jetaho on July 21, 2016, 05:17:50 PM
So what the cop said oh excrement this guy's black and laying on the ground with his hands up let me shoot him because he's black? That doesn't sound stupid to you?
This clearly sounds like a guy who is stupid and fucked up.
Even the other controversial recent shootings mostly had physical alterations or guns involved to significantly escalate the situation. This one is just bizarre as freak and makes no sense whatsoever
Cop is an idiot and likely a soon to be ex-cop. I doubt he's a card-carrying racist (so few of them around anymore), but I'm sure he brings biases to his job like anyone else. When confronted with a situation involving an armed, suicidal male, he assumed in his stupid, biased head that the black caregiver was dangerous and ignored the hands in the air, the explanation given etc.. He then put a few in his leg to de-escalate the situation. I'm pretty confident it doesn't go down like that if the caregiver is white.
On a broader spectrum, I generally don't believe that most white cops are racists, but I strongly believe that many of them, especially the stupid ones, bring biases to their jobs when confronting minorities. These biases stem from a lack of cultural awareness and a fear of someone who is different. That difference is perceived as a threat in the field, and the response from the cops is more heightened and aggressive than it needs to be.
Post by: JFIF on July 21, 2016, 07:11:38 PM
You sure about that? Pretty much every police force in Europe is routinely armed, I think - England and Ireland are generally considered the exception. Canada's police are armed as are Australia's, and Tommy would be able to tell you for sure but I think that most Asian police forces are armed.
I would venture to suggest that your ridiculous laws around civilian ownership of firearms are what make the situation unique, and a significant factor in your police being more likely to go to Defcon Blasty than others.
Australia's cops are armed? I don't recall that going there back in the 90s. I was pretty sure New Zealand police aren't armed either.
Now I feel compelled to look all this up.
Post by: Johnny English on July 21, 2016, 07:14:34 PM
Australia's cops are armed? I don't recall that going there back in the 90s. I was pretty sure New Zealand police aren't armed either.
Now I feel compelled to look all this up.
Australian police are, internet tells me that New Zealand are not.
Post by: JFIF on July 21, 2016, 07:17:11 PM
Australian police are, internet tells me that New Zealand are not.
Most of Asia doesn't either, which is why I tried to say "wealthy" as opposed to western.
For some I thought more European countries had unarmed "police". And assumed all British colonies were the same. I say police because military or similar type of national defense forces are a different story.
Post by: Johnny English on July 21, 2016, 07:21:44 PM
Most of Asia doesn't either, which is why I tried to say "wealthy" as opposed to western.
For some I thought more European countries had unarmed "police. And assumed all British colonies were the same. I say police because military or similar type of national defense forces are a different story.
Perhaps let's do it the other way (I know nothing about Asia but I did look up Japan and it says that they are armed routinely). According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms) the UK, New Zealand, Ireland, Iceland, Norway and South Korea are the only national police forces who are not routinely armed.
Post by: JFIF on July 21, 2016, 07:25:57 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 21, 2016, 07:28:15 PM
Japan didn't start using guns for policing until the US forced them after occupation. Even now, they get these shitty little revolvers and practically no one ever fires a gun there. Yakuza, police, civilian or otherwise. Japanese government has very broad search and seizure powers when it comes to searching for firearms. People just kind of accept it.
Sure. I'm just saying that there's nothing unique about the US having routinely armed law enforcement - quite the reverse.
Post by: Badger on July 21, 2016, 09:17:00 PM
Even better, the cop says he was aiming for the autistic man and missed.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 21, 2016, 10:08:27 PM
Maybe they should up the qualifications for becoming a police officer?
Post by: Miamipuck on July 22, 2016, 12:02:45 AM
Holy excrement this cop is a freaking imbecile. Throw the book at him
Maybe they should up the qualifications for becoming a police officer?
They do and it's routinely shut down. I took the Suffolk Police test in 1996, I got in the top 1000 of 47,000 (the only people that scored higher were Vets they received 5 extra points) and when they were going to start calling, a bunch of minorities got the test thrown out for some bullshit. I heard that excrement is routine.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 22, 2016, 01:09:01 AM
So what the cop said oh excrement this guy's black and laying on the ground with his hands up let me shoot him because he's black? That doesn't sound stupid to you?
This clearly sounds like a guy who is stupid and fucked up.
Even the other controversial recent shootings mostly had physical alterations or guns involved to significantly escalate the situation. This one is just bizarre as freak and makes no sense whatsoever
If you ever decide to quit treating life as a series of polar extremes, we can probably have a much better discussion here. Race is not the ONLY factor that goes into these situations, but it absolutely is a factor and a big one. No, I can't fathom this guy saying "Ooo, black guy laying in the street, lemme shoot him." However, I absolutely think he's a little less likely to be holding that gun out if it's a white therapist yelling to him that it's an autistic guy with a toy truck. I don't see how you can dismiss race as a factor in any of these situations. Black and white interactions with the police are fundamentally different. That's not saying that cops are all racist shitheads. I've always been a big supporter of the police. I know a lot of really really good cops from my childhood, one of whom just passed away after a long service in homicide, RIP. I think there are problems with systemic racism and issues that seep into the jobs these people perform, and I think there will always be people who are fundamentally ill equipped to do their jobs.
Hell, the guy I know who just passed was in homicide for 30 years. Told me excrement growing up like how the number one worst thing you can tell a cop when they pull you over suspecting DUI is "I just had two beers" because it's the universal line people use to lie. Solved a pair of massive homicides in his district that had national attention and saw the killers brought to justice. Awesome guy. Lived next door to me growing up and next door to my parents until about 6 or 7 years ago. He flat out told my nephew when he was 11 or 12 years old (he's 22 now) that he had to make sure to be extra careful dealing with police. It's a lesson he takes to heart. It's not that the cops are necessarily racist, but their job results in very different interactions with blacks and whites. There has to be a way to improve those interactions, but ignoring the fact that the differences exist doesn't seem like a prudent course of action to me.
Post by: JFIF on July 22, 2016, 01:11:41 AM
They do and it's routinely shut down. I took the Suffolk Police test in 1996, I got in the top 1000 of 47,000 (the only people that scored higher were Vets they received 5 extra points) and when they were going to start calling, a bunch of minorities got the test thrown out for some bullshit. I heard that excrement is routine.
If i'm not mistaken, Suffolk county police are the highest paid police in the entire country. I imagine the competition for those jobs are very specific.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 22, 2016, 01:16:06 AM
If i'm not mistaken, Suffolk county police are the highest paid police in the entire country. I imagine the competition for those jobs are very specific.
Yes, they top out well over 100k, it can be much more with overtime.
http://nypost.com/2014/02/28/struggling-suffolk-boosts-cops-pay/
Post by: bojanglesman on July 22, 2016, 06:04:06 AM
They do and it's routinely shut down. I took the Suffolk Police test in 1996, I got in the top 1000 of 47,000 (the only people that scored higher were Vets they received 5 extra points) and when they were going to start calling, a bunch of minorities got the test thrown out for some bullshit. I heard that excrement is routine.This one time, I took a test to be an astronaut and fly to the moon. I was top 5 in the galaxy. Pretty much only got outscored by astromech droids that were juiced out of their minds.
Post by: MBGreen on July 22, 2016, 06:14:48 AM
This one time, I took a test to be an astronaut and fly to the moon. I was top 5 in the galaxy. Pretty much only got outscored by astromech droids that were juiced out of their minds.Starlord Puck Spieth
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Post by: Tommy on July 22, 2016, 07:15:40 AM
Yes, they top out well over 100k, it can be much more with overtime.
http://nypost.com/2014/02/28/struggling-suffolk-boosts-cops-pay/
You mean to tell me I can make what I make now AND be allowed to shoot unarmed black men? Where do I apply?
Post by: bojanglesman on July 22, 2016, 07:19:36 AM
You mean to tell me I can make what I make now AND be allowed to shoot unarmed black men? Where do I apply?
(http://images.travelpod.com/users/dancollinsaus/1.1264958232.hilarious-mall-cop-on-a-segway-hahaha.jpg)
Post by: Miamipuck on July 22, 2016, 09:20:11 AM
This one time, I took a test to be an astronaut and fly to the moon. I was top 5 in the galaxy. Pretty much only got outscored by astromech droids that were juiced out of their minds.
Ahh yes because what I said was so unbelievable, shut up bundle of sticks.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 22, 2016, 09:48:00 AM
Ahh yes because what I said was so unbelievable, shut up bundle of sticks.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c2/a2/e2/c2a2e21a7ca41ad73a63fc717f5c2905.jpg)
Mustache too for bonus points. Puckrico.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 22, 2016, 10:08:53 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on July 22, 2016, 11:08:14 AM
Yeah idk how they didn't give you 5 bonus points for your stache. Much more relevant to law enforcement ability than military service
This is true.
Post by: Pope on July 22, 2016, 11:52:29 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 22, 2016, 04:27:15 PM
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 22, 2016, 06:07:17 PM
Post by: JFIF on July 22, 2016, 06:24:17 PM
http://mikelebovitz.com/
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2016, 11:32:33 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3710701/amp/White-people-march-Black-Lives-Matter-protest-leader-calls-racial-segregation-demonstration-outside-DNC-Philadelphia.html?client=ms-android-verizon
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2016, 10:02:07 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 29, 2016, 11:44:10 AM
Post by: Tommy on July 29, 2016, 12:06:26 PM
http://rightoncrime.com/2016/07/black-lives-matter-and-so-does-black-liberty/
Rick Perry wrote that? The guy nailed it.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 29, 2016, 12:20:43 PM
Rick Perry wrote that? The guy nailed it.
It was a speech, but I'm surprised you said he nailed it. He walked the central line between the opinions that you and dcm have espoused and the opinions of BLM.
Post by: Tommy on July 29, 2016, 12:35:57 PM
It was a speech, but I'm surprised you said he nailed it. He walked the central line between the opinions that you and dcm have espoused and the opinions of BLM.
I never disagreed that blacks are treated differently, but that's not because of racism. Democratic policies have dominated inner cities for decades, and blacks keep voting them in despite little to no change in social mobility. Perpetual poverty leads to gaps in culture, and the ghetto culture that thrives on this just makes things worse for those communities. As a result, more violence, more police presence, and a greater risk of brutality and unjust incarceration. Increasing social welfare programs only exacerbates the problem. Democrats think they're helping, but what these communities really need are jobs not handouts.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 29, 2016, 12:41:24 PM
"Too often, we Republicans…myself included…have emphasized our message on the Tenth Amendment but not our message on the Fourteenth…an Amendment, it bears reminding, that was one of the first great contributions of the Republican Party to American life, second only to the abolition of slavery."
Since Perry nailed it, he's going to now agree that there IS a difference in treatment by the police of blacks in this country, including traffic stops:
"But we cannot dismiss the experience of men like my good friend Senator Tim Scott, who said the other day that he “did not know many African American men who do not have a…story to tell, no matter the profession, no matter their income, no matter their disposition in life,” of being stopped by a police officer while doing nothing wrong.
Those of us who aren’t black are sometimes too quick to dismiss these complaints. And given America’s dark history of inequality before the law, it is understandable that African-Americans care passionately about having confidence in our system of laws, and the fairness by which they’re enforced."
Or the fact that the government is STILL responsible for ameliorating the effects of slavery:
"We cannot dismiss the historical legacy of slavery…nor its role in causing the problem of black poverty.
And because slavery and segregation were sanctioned by government…there is a role for government policy in addressing their lasting effects."
My favorite part was the emphasis on jobs based welfare, which has always been a big thing for me. There's a reason why the New Deal was effective. It consisted less of handouts and more of increasing the work force. The CCC, WPA, and other programs had a benefit not just for the people they employed but for the country as a whole. I hate that welfare now consists so largely of handouts. I also think people will be pleased about his thoughts on education. We're too large of a country to have a single education system and uniform standards. It's a big problem that the Republican party helped create and Perry has always wanted to rectify. I didn't know about his efforts to lower the cost of education naturally instead of with the imposition of law. I don't know how Sanders would have accomplished his goal, but he'd have done well to listen to whatever Perry managed to get schools in Texas to do.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 29, 2016, 12:43:00 PM
I never disagreed that blacks are treated differently, but that's not because of racism. Democratic policies have dominated inner cities for decades, and blacks keep voting them in despite little to no change in social mobility. Perpetual poverty leads to gaps in culture, and the ghetto culture that thrives on this just makes things worse for those communities. As a result, more violence, more police presence, and a greater risk of brutality and unjust incarceration. Increasing social welfare programs only exacerbates the problem. Democrats think they're helping, but what these communities really need are jobs not handouts.
We've never disagreed on the last point, but we absolutely disagree on the first. "Not because of racism" doesn't apply when black people get pulled over driving nice cars in nice neighborhoods because they look like they don't belong. Literally every black person I've ever met has a horror story with the police, and there have been studies demonstrating that.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 29, 2016, 12:44:44 PM
Post by: Tommy on July 29, 2016, 12:59:35 PM
We've never disagreed on the last point, but we absolutely disagree on the first. "Not because of racism" doesn't apply when black people get pulled over driving nice cars in nice neighborhoods because they look like they don't belong. Literally every black person I've ever met has a horror story with the police, and there have been studies demonstrating that.
But there's a reason cops do that, and it's the same reason why some of us avoid black neighborhoods. Blacks have been synonymous with poverty and crime for decades. It's not like the 20s where a black guy in a suit would get harassed by the police just because he's black. It's more of a statistical thing nowadays. Black guy in a nice neighborhood? There's a chance he's up to no good. Yeah, it's a shitty stereotype, but there's a reason that stereotype exists. And it'll take decades for it to go away. And it won't go away if those communities keep electing the same types of politicians that are helping keep the status quo.
Republicans do try and reach out to African-Americans, but not as some special group that needs special attention. Democrats do that. They treat black people like they're all the same and need the same handouts. Republicans try and appeal to all Americans. All poor communities need jobs. We're all Americans. When Hillary supporters say that she'll "fight for African Americans" what does that even mean? We're all Americans. We all need jobs. Ending poverty isn't a white/black problem. Democrats are the ones who are making this divisive. Just because Republicans don't mention people by color or gender and that's taken as "they don't care about them", but in reality they're color blind. Democrats know how to pull their strings and have been successfully doing it for decades.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 29, 2016, 02:07:05 PM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 01, 2016, 11:03:27 AM
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NYPD officers surrounded City Hall Park with steel barricades early this morning in anticipation of a prolonged protest against police violence. The protest, organized by Millions March, an police abolition group that was responsible for several of the largest Black Lives Matter protests in New York over the last two years, promised an occupation of the park by at least a thousand people.
Nabil Hassein, a member of Millions March, said the protest is making three demands of the city: that Police Commissioner Bill Bratton be fired, and the “Broken Windows” strategy of policing he champions be repudiated; that the city pay reparations to victims of police violence out of the NYPD budget; and that the NYPD be defunded, and its budget reinvested in black and brown communities.
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Post by: dcm1602 on August 01, 2016, 11:11:06 AM
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Any black lives that partake in this excrement don't matter
They basically want to bankrupt the police
Post by: dcm1602 on August 01, 2016, 11:28:22 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 01, 2016, 11:42:34 AM
K
I honestly hope that happens, so those communities will cease to exist in six months when they all rape and kill themselves, right after that scumbag gets it first.
Post by: Tommy on August 01, 2016, 11:43:40 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 01, 2016, 11:44:40 AM
Just think out of freaking touch with reality thst group has to be. Is policing fucked up in this country absolutely. But to demand defunding the NYPD? Monsters will completley take over the city and NY will almost immediately go back to being the toxic crime ridden excrement hole it once was where you couldn't safely go anywhere
Policing isn't fucked up, individual departments and or individual police yes. As a whole this country isn't unsafe like many other places in the world.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 01, 2016, 11:46:55 AM
Policing isn't fucked up, individual departments and or individual police yes. As a hole this country isn't unsafe like many other places in the world.
Meh I was just over simplifying it.
Eitherway this is basically what NYC would turn into within a year
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_New_York
Post by: Miamipuck on August 01, 2016, 11:51:17 AM
Meh I was just over simplifying it.Three weeks.....
Eitherway this is basically what NYC would turn into within a year
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_New_York
Post by: Badger on August 01, 2016, 12:07:47 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 01, 2016, 12:11:47 PM
Settlements should come out of their budget though. Otherwise the whole city is paying for NYPD's fuckups.
If it's out of their budget the whole city is paying for it
If someone really fucks up hold them personally accountable, or get their own malpractice kind of insurance
Post by: Badger on August 01, 2016, 12:15:59 PM
If it's out of their budget the whole city is paying for itIt's worse when the money is being taken away from other departments.
If someone really fucks up hold them personally accountable, or get their own malpractice kind of insurance
The NYPD will have more incentive to clean out their shitty cops if they're costing them money directly.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 01, 2016, 12:23:17 PM
Post by: JFIF on August 01, 2016, 01:28:12 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 01, 2016, 03:19:50 PM
Aren't insurance companies the ones actually paying out on settlements?
No not really
Post by: JFIF on August 01, 2016, 03:41:04 PM
No not really
I'm asking because I don't know how it works on a civic level. I realize that regardless even if insurance is the one "paying out" or whatever, there is still a cost associated with that insurance (i.e. medical malpractice), but I was curious to the minutia of the transaction.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 01, 2016, 03:47:33 PM
I'm asking because I don't know how it works on a civic level. I realize that regardless even if insurance is the one "paying out" or whatever, there is still a cost associated with that insurance (i.e. medical malpractice), but I was curious to the minutia of the transaction.I actually want being a wise derriere, I forget not everyone looks at financials.lol
They have projections in their budget, in their bond deals they obviously have to provide full financials. They have legal funds and do loss analysis. Of course certain lawsuits would be covered by insurance. They just get sued six ways to Sunday as you can well imagine.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 01, 2016, 04:15:48 PM
Policing isn't fucked up, individual departments and or individual police yes. As a hole this country isn't unsafe like many other places in the world.
Policing as a whole has some issues to deal with, but it's FAR from fucked up on the whole. Like you said, we're actually safer here than in the past. Crime rates have been dropping for ages.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 01, 2016, 05:27:11 PM
Policing as a whole has some issues to deal with, but it's FAR from fucked up on the whole. Like you said, we're actually safer here than in the past. Crime rates have been dropping for ages.
Of course, they are doing some good things to keep us safe but it's far from perfect, obviously. I saw some neat studies on crime rates, since the spike in the 70's and 90's, it's been going down steadily in most places. Murder, rape, robbery and assault have gone down by more than half since the last peak. The internet and more free flow of info makes it seem like the opposite.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 01, 2016, 10:08:25 PM
Post by: Badger on August 01, 2016, 10:12:34 PM
Half a day later, I still can't figure out how anyone could possibly believe in abolition of the police.
The same way someone could legitimately believe reparations for slavery could ever happen.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 01, 2016, 10:14:04 PM
The same way someone could legitimately believe reparations for slavery could ever happen.
By being black ?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 02, 2016, 08:31:03 AM
The same way someone could legitimately believe reparations for slavery could ever happen.
I can at least understand that perspective somewhat, although it's certainly foolish. This one just has absolutely no sense behind it.
Post by: Tommy on August 02, 2016, 03:21:17 PM
I can at least understand that perspective somewhat, although it's certainly foolish. This one just has absolutely no sense behind it.
I often wonder what society would look like today if the U.S. Government gave all former slaves and their families plots of land in the unorganized western territories as reparations immediately after the war.
Post by: ukilledkenny on August 02, 2016, 03:29:28 PM
I often wonder what society would look like today if the U.S. Government gave all former slaves and their families plots of land in the unorganized western territories as reparations immediately after the war.
How raw does your dick get imagining the utter ruin?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 02, 2016, 03:47:56 PM
I often wonder what society would look like today if the U.S. Government gave all former slaves and their families plots of land in the unorganized western territories as reparations immediately after the war.
It's odd how the black community never asks for reparations from the blacks in Africa who actually sold them to America in the first place.
America is bad for having slaves, but Africa isn't bad for selling America the slaves in the first place? How the fucks thst work out
Post by: Pope on August 02, 2016, 03:48:52 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 02, 2016, 04:12:37 PM
Great Britain literally sent convicts and degenerates to Australia and they turned out completely fine after about 100 years.
Not quite, NSW was a penal colony but most of the Australian settlements weren't. Then the rest of the settlers realised that the best bit of the country was where they were putting the crooks and petitioned Britain to stop sending them.
Post by: Pope on August 02, 2016, 04:40:25 PM
Not quite, NSW was a penal colony but most of the Australian settlements weren't. Then the rest of the settlers realised that the best bit of the country was where they were putting the crooks and petitioned Britain to stop sending them.I was mostly being facetious, it was something I saw on 4chan that I thought was funny.
Post by: JFIF on August 02, 2016, 04:43:29 PM
Great Britain literally sent convicts and degenerates to Australia and they turned out completely fine after about 100 years. Africa has had millenia to get their excrement together and they still can't
That's such a Western thing to say.
Africa, much like the United States, was relatively simple and tribal before imperialism ripped through it. That was the beginning of the end for Africa. Africans didn't have guns or know that they could rape their countryside for the natural resources before that. Conflicts were relatively small, and they certainly didn't have the technology to destroy each other outright.
Now Africa is a bunch of dudes speaking french and in Guerilla fatigues with AKs, stricken with civil war.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 02, 2016, 05:17:58 PM
That's such a Western thing to say.
Africa, much like the United States, was relatively simple and tribal before imperialism ripped through it. That was the beginning of the end for Africa. Africans didn't have guns or know that they could rape their countryside for the natural resources before that. Conflicts were relatively small, and they certainly didn't have the technology to destroy each other outright.
Now Africa is a bunch of dudes speaking french and in Guerilla fatigues with AKs, stricken with civil war. [b/]
Great but that doesn't explain Nigeria and a bunch of other countries, like Egypt, Ethiopia, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Kenya etc. Etc
Post by: JFIF on August 02, 2016, 05:40:56 PM
And if your point is Islam had its part in its demise too, I will absolutely agree with that.
Egypt gets a bit of a mulligan because of their early historic greatness.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 02, 2016, 05:57:09 PM
Well, North and East Africa are certainly a different beast.
And if your point is Islam had its part in its demise too, I will absolutely agree with that.
Egypt gets a bit of a mulligan because of their early historic greatness.
I guess my point is it's way more complicated certainly than DCM makes it. excrement, even you or I for that matter as well. Africa literally has 50 different legitimate reasons. Islam is getting to be predominant reason now, it's like some people just want to go backwards on the evolutionary scale.
Post by: Tommy on August 02, 2016, 05:59:22 PM
Well, North and East Africa are certainly a different beast.
And if your point is Islam had its part in its demise too, I will absolutely agree with that.
Egypt gets a bit of a mulligan because of their early historic greatness.
Well they had the Nile, which was way more fertile back then. Also had access to other civilizations for trade etc. Sub-Saharan Africa had no such access. The Sahara may as well have been the Atlantic Ocean for ancient peoples. Without generations of trade in goods and ideas you can't expect much development.
Post by: JFIF on August 02, 2016, 06:54:16 PM
Well they had the Nile, which was way more fertile back then. Also had access to other civilizations for trade etc. Sub-Saharan Africa had no such access. The Sahara may as well have been the Atlantic Ocean for ancient peoples. Without generations of trade in goods and ideas you can't expect much development.
Trade is one aspect, and Egypt's positioning between Africa and Asia was obviously big.
But I'm referring more so to cultural/technological advancements of Egypt. You know..writing, paper, irrigation.
Post by: Tommy on August 02, 2016, 07:03:23 PM
Trade is one aspect, and Egypt's positioning between Africa and Asia was obviously big.
But I'm referring more so to cultural/technological advancements of Egypt. You know..writing, paper, irrigation.
But that also comes with trade. Agriculture started with Mesopotamia then made its way to Egypt, where the natives decided to stick around rather than keep following the food. When you stick around societies form, and when societies form you get writing government etc.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 02, 2016, 08:11:31 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 02, 2016, 08:14:28 PM
Bunch of history professors in here.
If only we could have went to school to learn to fist farm animals in their assholes.
Post by: Johnny English on August 02, 2016, 08:19:16 PM
If only we could have went to school to learn to fist farm animals in their assholes.
Except that I doubt anyone in here is making coin from their knowledge of Phoenician trade routes.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 02, 2016, 08:41:10 PM
If only we could have went to school to learn to fist farm animals in their assholes.I haven't done that in at least 10 years.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 02, 2016, 09:51:58 PM
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@ShaunKing:Do you think that if Taylor Swift was barricaded in HER HOUSE with young children, even with a gun, that police would shoot her. I don't.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 02, 2016, 09:57:21 PM
Post by: Tommy on August 02, 2016, 10:16:53 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 02, 2016, 10:23:05 PM
What is he talking about?
The police shooting in Baltimore
Post by: MBGreen on August 03, 2016, 12:32:19 PM
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 05, 2016, 08:14:15 AM
Idiocy on the other side of the pond. Seemed to get handled quickly.
Post by: Tommy on August 05, 2016, 08:51:45 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-protest-idUSKCN10G0WI
Idiocy on the other side of the pond. Seemed to get handled quickly.
I wonder if there's a BLM arm in a country like Uganda.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 05, 2016, 08:55:20 AM
I wonder if there's a BLM arm in a country like Uganda.
BLM Antarctica. Blocking penguins from getting back into the water because they are partly white.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 05, 2016, 08:56:25 AM
I often wonder what society would look like today if the U.S. Government gave all former slaves and their families plots of land in the unorganized western territories as reparations immediately after the war.
Every territory was organized at that point. They just couldn't get anyone to move out there because of the lack of transit to the east and the presence of natives. We sent shitloads of ex-Union and Confederate soldiers just to clear land after the war.
If you had populated New Mexico, Arizona, the Dakotas, Montana, and Wyoming with a bunch of people who only knew how to grow cotton and staple foods, it would have been 20 years of natural selection.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2016, 10:25:10 AM
And doesn't understand why he arrested her when she got out of her car and started flipping out
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2016, 02:35:17 PM
First off people are going to riot and go nuts over this. And maybe the police were wrong in actually killing this kid.
But the way this whole freaking thing is being reported in the media is ridiculous. "police shoot unarmed 18 year old black teen"
The freaking kid stole a jaguar, was in a high speed police chase, rammed a cop car, then got out and ran. One of the cops can be heard saying "crap he shot as us right?" unsure what happened during the midst of it all.
But this kid is 100% some deadbeat low life piece of excrement stealing freaking cars as a teenager, so it's not like the world is going to miss him. Did he deserve to die, probably not, but nobody should be sad that he did
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 05, 2016, 08:11:43 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 05, 2016, 08:12:55 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 05, 2016, 08:14:20 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2016, 08:43:17 PM
^Except his friends and family
They couldn't care too much when they didn't give a excrement that be was out stealing cars having high speed police chases with the police,
You let someone live the life of being a lowlife degenerate and you don't get to cry about the outcome
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2016, 08:44:50 PM
The article flat out says the cops showed poor job skills. It sounds like a fucked up situation all around that didn't need to happen for many reasons.
Look at the headlines though (I think the headline was updated since I posted it) But everything is cops shoot unarmed black teenager.
Not scumbag criminal shot dead during high speed police chases and crime spree.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2016, 08:47:03 PM
The article flat out says the cops showed poor job skills. It sounds like a fucked up situation all around that didn't need to happen for many reasons.
I flat out agree that it sounds like the cops fucked up, and these guys need to be reprimanded . But this scumbag kid is not a victim. He died because of his own dangerous criminal behavior, and the family shouldn't be able to sue the department ot the city for a dime. When you die while commiting serious crime you should not be able to sue the city or department. Take it up with them in civil court
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 05, 2016, 10:59:40 PM
Still, this hard line that you can't love someone who fucks up is absolutely regarded, as is the idea that they're somehow necessarily responsible for what he was doing. It's absolutely possible to lose a kid and still feel unbearably sad when that kid dies.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2016, 11:44:08 PM
I actually agree that the family doesn't deserve any money in a wrongful death suit. Unfortunately they'll probably get some.
Still, this hard line that you can't love someone who fucks up is absolutely regarded, as is the idea that they're somehow necessarily responsible for what he was doing. It's absolutely possible to lose a kid and still feel unbearably sad when that kid dies.
I didn't really mean it like that. More so that the world is a better place without him on it and that normal people shouldn't give a excrement that a criminal died during a crime.
I definitely think the friends and loved ones hold a degree of responsibility for what happened though. You don't just do excrement like this over night. And anyone who played a significant role in his life clearly let his behavior escalate to this
Post by: Pope on August 06, 2016, 12:00:34 AM
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2016, 07:10:08 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 06, 2016, 08:05:59 AM
WYHI? Marilyn Mosby
No. Something about her looks like a drag queen.
Post by: Fenwyr on August 06, 2016, 09:29:23 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 06, 2016, 09:37:33 AM
Apparently DCM never did anything reckless or stupid as a teenager.
It almost sounds like you're defending the actions of stealing a car and being involved in a high speed police chase as typical stupid teenager behavior.
Post by: Fenwyr on August 06, 2016, 09:41:57 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 06, 2016, 09:57:14 AM
Defending? No. But doing something that might send you to juvy does not make you a piece of excrement that deserves to die.
He wasn't even a minor and committed a slew of felonies. How would he end up in juvy? The police made a mistake by killing him 100%. But he died because of his own scumbag behavior and has nobody to blame but himself (well and his enablers which didn't do a good job preventing him to become such a degenerate)
Had he not stolen a car and gotten into a high speed police chase ramming police vehicles he would be alive today.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 06, 2016, 12:05:12 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 14, 2016, 07:30:42 PM
After an armed blackman with a stolen semiautomatic weapon got killed by police BLM terrorist decide to start burning everything rioting and destroying a city. There's a video one of these terrorist took and anytime they see a white person they all start yelling a white guy beat his derriere and all chase and try to attack them
It's absolutely hysterical there's people who continue to defend this terrorist organization
Post by: JFIF on August 14, 2016, 09:26:55 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/14/milwaukee-riots-after-armed-suspect-killed-by-cop/
After an armed blackman with a stolen semiautomatic weapon got killed by police BLM terrorist decide to start burning everything rioting and destroying a city. There's a video one of these terrorist took and anytime they see a white person they all start yelling a white guy beat his derriere and all chase and try to attack them
It's absolutely hysterical there's people who continue to defend this terrorist organization
You dislike black people so much, you don't even believe they deserve a space.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 14, 2016, 09:29:28 PM
You dislike black people so much, you don't even believe they deserve a space.
Maybe im against segregation
Post by: JFIF on August 14, 2016, 09:44:14 PM
Maybe im against segregation
I chuckled
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 14, 2016, 10:56:14 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 14, 2016, 11:01:00 PM
You dislike black people so much, you don't even believe they deserve a space.
Black pressed up against man is dcm's greatest fantasy. It's like torture porn for him.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 15, 2016, 10:33:34 AM
Black pressed up against man is dcm's greatest fantasy. It's like torture porn for him.
At least I'm opened minded, anyone who wouldn't give it a shot is racist!
Post by: dcm1602 on August 16, 2016, 05:39:44 PM
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/cnn-edits-out-milwaukee-victims-sister-sherelle-sm/
Guys sister was ranting and raving telling black people to go to the suburbs and burn everything down.
Multiple times CNN edits the footage to make it sound like she's saying oh let's all get along and have peace
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 16, 2016, 09:49:24 PM
Shits fucked up
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/cnn-edits-out-milwaukee-victims-sister-sherelle-sm/
Guys sister was ranting and raving telling black people to go to the suburbs and burn everything down.
Multiple times CNN edits the footage to make it sound like she's saying oh let's all get along and have peace
Just watched the unedited version. She lost her mind. To be honest, it sounded in full context like she was trying to just argue that hurting their own community was the wrong way to get attention, but the way she put it was freaking retarded and dangerous. It's not CNN's job to edit her speech down. It's her job to own up and clarify and apologize.
Post by: Koz on August 17, 2016, 01:50:46 PM
You know, because they are all black, so that' just like "whatever."
Post by: Heismanberg on August 17, 2016, 07:53:55 PM
Black lives matter, except when a black Good Samaritan, stops to help 2 black guys on the side of the road, and they kill him.
You know, because they are all black, so that' just like "whatever."
That story is so stupid. The teens told this stranger that they'd pay him $20 to stop and pull their vehicle (which was actually stolen) out of a ditch. The guy stopped and helped them get the car out of the ditch and the scumbag shot him in the chest because they didn't have money to pay him.
If two white teens shot a black man, BLM would be in Charleston again blocking bridges and acting like the pieces of excrement that they are.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 18, 2016, 10:35:51 AM
Black lives matter, except when a black Good Samaritan, stops to help 2 black guys on the side of the road, and they kill him.
You know, because they are all black, so that' just like "whatever."
I get why people in poor gang ridden areas don't protest black on black violence more heavily. Fear and intimidation run rampant. This is different. The lack of outrage is freaking ridiculous.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2016, 11:38:37 AM
I get why people in poor gang ridden areas don't protest black on black violence more heavily. Fear and intimidation run rampant. This is different. The lack of outrage is freaking ridiculous.
Yet there's no fear or intimidation of police?
I thought that's what racism was all about, people in power taking advantage those who are not
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 18, 2016, 11:45:39 AM
Yet there's no fear or intimidation of police?
I thought that's what racism was all about, people in power taking advantage those who are not
There's much more of a possibility that people in power will respond to abuse by police than there is that anyone will respond to black on black violence in the ghetto. It's about battling institutional racism, or at least it's supposed to be. In actuality, it's just a excrement show of ranting and raving without any central leadership or control.
Post by: Tommy on August 18, 2016, 12:15:54 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 18, 2016, 12:50:55 PM
The problem with the movement is that there isn't a clear goal for them. You're not going to stamp out racial bias or prejudice. There was a clear goal in mind when African Americans rallied behind the civil rights movement and stamping out state segregation, but what exactly do people realistically expect to be done?
All the things. Taken as a whole, they want more respect and care from police departments, the abolition of police departments, retaliation and destruction, less destruction and more peace and less retaliation, retaliation against police, retaliation against people unrelated to police, no more Trump, no more Hillary, no more white people, better white people, equal rights, more rights, special rights, restrictions on power, black power, and probably 800 other things that frequently conflict.
Post by: MBGreen on August 18, 2016, 03:54:54 PM
Post by: JFIF on August 18, 2016, 03:57:12 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 18, 2016, 04:40:13 PM
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3.275 honks
Post by: Badger on August 18, 2016, 04:57:06 PM
3.275 honks
3/5 honks
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 18, 2016, 06:04:36 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 18, 2016, 06:05:29 PM
Post by: Pope on August 18, 2016, 06:37:23 PM
3/5 honksPope thanks you for this post
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 18, 2016, 10:25:42 PM
does he look light skinned
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 18, 2016, 10:43:33 PM
how did your brother pull 8 black girls
does he look light skinned
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He's white, so yes he looks light skinned. I only knew about or met 8. I'm sure there were more. He got married at 32 and had been more or less off white women for 12 years. I know of two white chicks he dated in there, and both were crazy. They both reinforced all his white women issues.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 18, 2016, 10:44:16 PM
also, am i mistaken to think that in your mcdonalds story the girl you smashed was some black chick from the drive-thru?
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Retarded, not black. Carla's funbags were milky white.
Post by: JFIF on August 19, 2016, 01:15:54 AM
Post by: JFIF on August 19, 2016, 01:16:59 AM
3/5 honks
perfect
Post by: JFIF on August 19, 2016, 02:17:52 AM
Post by: JFIF on August 19, 2016, 03:00:09 AM
My brother has only dated black women since he was 19. I didn't meet them all, but he married the only one I know of who didn't have an absent father or father issues. All of the black women I knew in school had awesome dads. Same for the great ones I've met since. All of the crazy ones I've known before and after didn't. Imagine that.
"What's your relationship with your father?" should be the first question out of any man's mouth to a woman he's thinking of dating.
It's as close to a universal truth as you'll find in human psychology.
Post by: Tommy on August 19, 2016, 10:38:24 AM
"What's your relationship with your father?" should be the first question out of any man's mouth to a woman he's thinking of dating.
It's as close to a universal truth as you'll find in human psychology.
But girls with daddy issues are the easiest to freak.
Post by: JFIF on August 19, 2016, 11:27:32 AM
But girls with daddy issues are the easiest to freak.
dating operative word
Post by: Tommy on August 19, 2016, 11:29:27 AM
dating operative word
A date to me is "let me shove booze and food in her face until she sluts up enough to let me freak her".
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 19, 2016, 11:55:34 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 19, 2016, 11:56:15 AM
A date to me is "let me shove booze and food in her face until she sluts up enough to let me freak her".
I literally lol'd.
Why isn't there a Tommyisms thread?
Post by: Miamipuck on August 19, 2016, 12:02:47 PM
A date to me is "let me shove booze and food in her face until she sluts up enough to let me freak her".
Haha level with us, how many broads have you roofied?
Don't say none, I will never believe that. Lol
Post by: Tommy on August 19, 2016, 01:47:50 PM
Haha level with us, how many broads have you roofied?
Don't say none, I will never believe that. Lol
Never roofied a girl. Never even considered that. Don't know why I'm answering seriously. Though I have ordered shots and had the bartender give me one with water, saying it's for her, when I'd take it instead. So she'd get drunker than me, and I won't have issues getting it up when we eventually bang.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 19, 2016, 02:40:59 PM
Never roofied a girl. Never even considered that. Don't know why I'm answering seriously. Though I have ordered shots and had the bartender give me one with water, saying it's for her, when I'd take it instead. So she'd get drunker than me, and I won't have issues getting it up when we eventually bang.
The ole' Legal Cosby. Tommy bringing out the classics.
Post by: Coach K on August 19, 2016, 04:54:55 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 19, 2016, 07:21:11 PM
Never roofied a girl. Never even considered that. Don't know why I'm answering seriously. Though I have ordered shots and had the bartender give me one with water, saying it's for her, when I'd take it instead. So she'd get drunker than me, and I won't have issues getting it up when we eventually bang.
I freaking love it.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 20, 2016, 11:01:27 AM
Tommy, where does this whole hatred of women thing come from? At the very least, you consider them vastly inferior. I find it more likely that you simply loathe them based on your treatment. I also know you have a mother and a sister. What happened to make you range from apathetic to spiteful towards women?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 20, 2016, 11:04:07 AM
Never roofied a girl. Never even considered that. Don't know why I'm answering seriously. Though I have ordered shots and had the bartender give me one with water, saying it's for her, when I'd take it instead. So she'd get drunker than me, and I won't have issues getting it up when we eventually bang.
There's not that much of a difference between what you're doing and straight up slipping a roofie. Obviously she has agency in this situation and could refuse the drinks, but you're tricking her into thinking you're keeping up when really you're trying to remove all good sense and maintain your wits.
I get that you have zero real game, though, so perhaps it's a desperation thing.
Post by: Tommy on August 20, 2016, 11:10:33 AM
I'm asking this honestly because I'm curious.
Tommy, where does this whole hatred of women thing come from? At the very least, you consider them vastly inferior. I find it more likely that you simply loathe them based on your treatment. I also know you have a mother and a sister. What happened to make you range from apathetic to spiteful towards women?
I don't hate women. In fact I have several female friends who I don't have an interest in sexually. Most other women I meet the first thought that goes through my head is "I wonder how I can pull off getting her into bed." It's a primal thing I guess. Also I grew up in a pretty conservative south Eastern European family, where a woman's value was pretty much understood. The man works, woman takes care of the household. Women have great organizational skills and do amazing things in raising kids. No doubt they can do others, but the idea that they can do anything that a man can do is just not true. At least I don't believe.
Post by: Tommy on August 20, 2016, 11:12:43 AM
There's not that much of a difference between what you're doing and straight up slipping a roofie. Obviously she has agency in this situation and could refuse the drinks, but you're tricking her into thinking you're keeping up when really you're trying to remove all good sense and maintain your wits.
I get that you have zero real game, though, so perhaps it's a desperation thing.
Game is what you need to get them into that situation in the first place. And me not getting sloppy drunk benefits her too. One, I won't have trouble getting it up, two, she'll orgasm more. It's win win. And it's not like I'm getting them to the point where they can't move. I usually make my move way before that. Just grab them spontaneously, make out with them, and then it's a done deal.
Post by: JFIF on August 20, 2016, 11:12:57 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 20, 2016, 11:19:08 AM
Game is what you need to get them into that situation in the first place. And me not getting sloppy drunk benefits her too. One, I won't have trouble getting it up, two, she'll orgasm more. It's win win.
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That's actually true. No woman would ever orgasm with you sober. I'd have a hard time seeing that sobering up and realizing she just fucked you would make the overall situation a win, though.
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And it's not like I'm getting them to the point where they can't move. I usually make my move way before that. Just grab them spontaneously, make out with them, and then it's a done deal.
I had to separate this part because it's absolute gold. Tommy USUALLY makes his move way before they can't move by grabbing them and making out with them. The image of dragging them by their hair with a club and his knuckles dragging on the ground comes to mind.
Post by: ukilledkenny on August 20, 2016, 11:25:11 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 20, 2016, 11:26:04 AM
I don't hate women. In fact I have several female friends who I don't have an interest in sexually. Most other women I meet the first thought that goes through my head is "I wonder how I can pull off getting her into bed." It's a primal thing I guess. Also I grew up in a pretty conservative south Eastern European family, where a woman's value was pretty much understood. The man works, woman takes care of the household. Women have great organizational skills and do amazing things in raising kids. No doubt they can do others, but the idea that they can do anything that a man can do is just not true. At least I don't believe.
If you can't see that this all adds up to a serious denigration of women, then I don't know what to tell you. There's nothing wrong with a woman staying home to take care of the household and the kids. The expectation that that's the limit of their value and that you assume they can do others but can't name them says it all.
As for not being able to do anything a man can do, that's absolutely true. Chris Rock was 100% right on that. Physically, women aren't as strong. From an evolutionary standpoint, they never needed to be. Studies have shown that they're smarter than men, though. Couple that with those organizational skills and it should be no surprise when, as physical dominance continues to recede as a determining factor for success, women start to actually take over a lot of traditional seats of power for men. There's really nothing a man can do that a woman can't that isn't physical in nature. That's why I don't support efforts to force equality in the military and fire departments, etc and I laugh at the people who say there will be women in men's sports leagues one day. The argument that the best college team could beat the worst pro team in any sport is stupid. The argument that the best high school men's team in soccer or basketball could beat a women's pro team? Not so silly.
Post by: Tommy on August 20, 2016, 11:26:10 AM
That's actually true. No woman would ever orgasm with you sober. I'd have a hard time seeing that sobering up and realizing she just fucked you would make the overall situation a win, though.
I had to separate this part because it's absolute gold. Tommy USUALLY makes his move way before they can't move by grabbing them and making out with them. The image of dragging them by their hair with a club and his knuckles dragging on the ground comes to mind.
I would humor you but I'd bet dollars you'd give up a lot of money to live like me for a week.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 20, 2016, 11:29:27 AM
I now realize my ultimate goal as a father is to raise my daughter to be the girl who blows Tommy off in 3 seconds and he calls a freaking bitch as she walks away.
Agreed. I have Tommy to thank for helping to inform the way I raise mine. I don't know many people like him, thankfully, so he reminds me what irredeemable pieces of excrement my daughter will encounter. Thankfully, she could probably already wreck him at the age of 9.
If I ever found out a woman went John Wayne Bobbitt on him, I'd buy her a drink. And I wouldn't even drink water myself!
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2016, 11:32:14 AM
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Post by: Tommy on August 20, 2016, 11:32:33 AM
If you can't see that this all adds up to a serious denigration of women, then I don't know what to tell you. There's nothing wrong with a woman staying home to take care of the household and the kids. The expectation that that's the limit of their value and that you assume they can do others but can't name them says it all.
As for not being able to do anything a man can do, that's absolutely true. Chris Rock was 100% right on that. Physically, women aren't as strong. From an evolutionary standpoint, they never needed to be. Studies have shown that they're smarter than men, though. Couple that with those organizational skills and it should be no surprise when, as physical dominance continues to recede as a determining factor for success, women start to actually take over a lot of traditional seats of power for men. There's really nothing a man can do that a woman can't that isn't physical in nature. That's why I don't support efforts to force equality in the military and fire departments, etc and I laugh at the people who say there will be women in men's sports leagues one day. The argument that the best college team could beat the worst pro team in any sport is stupid. The argument that the best high school men's team in soccer or basketball could beat a women's pro team? Not so silly.
Well there's evidence to back up some of that stuff, especially amongst the Albanian community. The girls were typically the ones on lockdown and had nothing to do but study, while the guys got to do whatever they wanted. Most Albanian guys my age work construction or are doormen/supers, while their sisters work at law firms and have white collar jobs. Depends on the family but it turned out that way hilariously. And those girls end up marrying outside of the Albanian community and if the guys want an Albanian girl they'll usually have to get one that's off the boat, to act as a good wife (cooking cleaning etc). The ones who become professionals still somewhat prefer to be housewives, but a lot of them are true career women now. I hear it's the same with Armenians in LA.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 20, 2016, 11:32:35 AM
I would humor you but I'd bet dollars you'd give up a lot of money to live like me for a week.
Shockingly enough, I love my life. I had plenty of random sex before I got married, and I have plenty of not random sex now. There's nothing I would want to change. There's nothing about your life I would want aside from getting to spend the time in New York. You probably eat good food more often, too, so there's that. If I were in your shoes, though, single and flush with cash without obligation, I would spend my time and money very differently.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 20, 2016, 11:34:12 AM
Well there's evidence to back up some of that stuff, especially amongst the Albanian community. The girls were typically the ones on lockdown and had nothing to do but study, while the guys got to do whatever they wanted. Most Albanian guys my age work construction or are doormen/supers, while their sisters work at law firms and have white collar jobs. Depends on the family but it turned out that way hilariously. And those girls end up marrying outside of the Albanian community and if the guys want an Albanian girl they'll usually have to get one that's off the boat, to act as a good wife (cooking cleaning etc). The ones who become professionals still somewhat prefer to be housewives, but a lot of them are true career women now. I hear it's the same with Armenians in LA.
If Albanians and Armenians are comparable, then I get where you're coming from completely. Armenians and Persians are the only groups I can't stand more often than not.
Post by: Pope on August 20, 2016, 11:35:08 AM
Post by: Tommy on August 20, 2016, 11:42:09 AM
Shockingly enough, I love my life. I had plenty of random sex before I got married, and I have plenty of not random sex now. There's nothing I would want to change. There's nothing about your life I would want aside from getting to spend the time in New York. You probably eat good food more often, too, so there's that. If I were in your shoes, though, single and flush with cash without obligation, I would spend my time and money very differently.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to denigrate your life in any way. You have a lovely wife, two great kids, and you seem to be a great father. That's cool. Some people decide at some point that they want to settle down. I sometimes wonder what that'll be like , but that just isn't for me now. I enjoy the randomness of life and not knowing who I'm going to sleep with next, or whether or not I'll end up liking her enough to keep around for a while. Or what kind of excrement my friends and I will get into, again without obligations to anyone but myself. It's a selfish lifestyle, but I enjoy it. Different strokes for different folks.
My profession is the same. It's new business. I go out and hunt for new accounts and convince them to give us money. It's a rush. Just like chasing women. I don't see these accounts as my friends, as I only care abut their initial business - someone else deals with their bs once they sign up. Same with women. I enjoy hunting and the first few weeks where we just meet, eat, drink, and freak. Once any sort of drama comes about I can say see ya. I like it, but it's not a knock on women. Just my preference.
Post by: ukilledkenny on August 20, 2016, 11:42:40 AM
Post by: Johnny English on August 20, 2016, 11:48:34 AM
The not insignificant # of Albanians I went to highschool with have made me believe that they are all huge sacks of excrement who think "it's because I'm Albanian" is an adequate explanation for any shitty behavior.
freaking immigrants coming to America and refusing to abandon their backwards old country attitudes. Should probably elect a President who'll send them all back where they came from.
Post by: ukilledkenny on August 20, 2016, 11:52:05 AM
freaking immigrants coming to America and refusing to abandon their backwards old country attitudes. Should probably elect a President who'll send them all back where they came from.
I almost prefaced that with an acknowledgment that it was a shitty opinion before I posted so I wouldn't trigger you haha.
Post by: Johnny English on August 20, 2016, 11:54:26 AM
I almost prefaced that with an acknowledgment that it was a shitty opinion before I posted so I wouldn't trigger you haha.
I was aiming my comment more at Tommy's hatred of Muslims for their backwards ways and their treatment of women.
Post by: ukilledkenny on August 20, 2016, 11:56:55 AM
I was aiming my comment more at Tommy's hatred of Muslims for their backwards ways and their treatment of women.
Totally missed that. Been awake for a bit too long.
Post by: Badger on August 20, 2016, 12:01:57 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on August 20, 2016, 12:04:07 PM
Post by: Tommy on August 20, 2016, 12:08:41 PM
freaking immigrants coming to America and refusing to abandon their backwards old country attitudes. Should probably elect a President who'll send them all back where they came from.
Personally I hate those kinds of Albanians myself. I used to be just like that until I went to school and decided not to be a degenerate. My family are the ones who embrace American culture and values. Sure my parents are still pretty backward in their thinking, but that's mostly due to their upbringing and the fact they have about 5 years of schooling between them. And it's not like he treats her like excrement. It's just understood that his word is final and she does the cooking and cleaning. And she actually likes it anyway.
Post by: JFIF on August 20, 2016, 10:33:01 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on August 21, 2016, 09:06:33 AM
My friends send me pictures of their baby. I send them pictures of different type of weed I get.
I definitely do miss the time in my life that my biggest concern was what type of weed I was going to get.
Post by: MBGreen on August 21, 2016, 09:37:24 AM
I definitely do miss the time in my life that my biggest concern was what type of weed I was going to get.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160821/bf34eab3d40c8ef9264de9f8d640e6dd.gif)
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 21, 2016, 02:36:39 PM
My friends send me pictures of their baby. I send them pictures of different type of weed I get.
I might borrow this if/when people start sending me baby pictures
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 21, 2016, 02:37:39 PM
Post by: Badger on August 22, 2016, 02:55:31 PM
I find it hilarious that this discussion about Tommys sex life and whether or not albanians are scumbags is happening in this thread.
#BalkanLivesMatter
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 25, 2016, 08:01:41 AM
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8590/state-university-now-offers-stop-white-people-pardes-seleh
In before Tommy and dcm say "If white people did this..."
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 25, 2016, 08:09:14 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/08/24/u-chicago-to-frosh-no-safe-spaces-here.html
Post by: dcm1602 on August 25, 2016, 08:16:01 AM
Who the freak thought this was a good idea?
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8590/state-university-now-offers-stop-white-people-pardes-seleh
In before Tommy and dcm say "If white people did this..."
The much bigger issue is that the college is endorsing racism because they allow it.
While I understand that some hippie liberal mumbojumbo aims to promote equality. This flat out states white people are cancer. Which I'm pretty sure just promotes racism all around
Like can these people really be that unintelligent that they think this is going to help their cause ?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 25, 2016, 10:56:06 AM
The much bigger issue is that the college is endorsing racism because they allow it.
While I understand that some hippie liberal mumbojumbo aims to promote equality. This flat out states white people are cancer. Which I'm pretty sure just promotes racism all around
Like can these people really be that unintelligent that they think this is going to help their cause ?
The biggest issue is that the description sounds fine, but the title is horrible and irresponsible.
As for what helps their cause, the answer to that is just about nothing. Seriously, you act like just asking people to look at the problems in the black community has ever resulted in people taking a better look and asking to help. It hasn't. Being loud and contrary draws attention, forcing you to not be able to ignore the problems. You may not think it does anything, but then neither does staying quiet about it. You had 40 years of complacency that came to a swift end.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 25, 2016, 11:00:25 AM
The biggest issue is that the description sounds fine, but the title is horrible and irresponsible.
As for what helps their cause, the answer to that is just about nothing. Seriously, you act like just asking people to look at the problems in the black community has ever resulted in people taking a better look and asking to help. It hasn't. Being loud and contrary draws attention, forcing you to not be able to ignore the problems. You may not think it does anything, but then neither does staying quiet about it. You had 40 years of complacency that came to a swift end.
Yeah but then the excrement they do incites racism on both sides that's not good attention.
Some white people will see this and be like look at this freaking racist excrement and get angered. Black people will use to support the belief that white people are the cause of their problems. Everybody loses
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 25, 2016, 11:03:49 AM
Yeah but then the excrement they do incites racism on both sides that's not good attention.
Some white people will see this and be like look at this freaking racist excrement and get angered. Black people will use to support the belief that white people are the cause of their problems. Everybody loses
Well, if black people lose out because of ignorance when they don't speak up, your problem is just that white people lose.
Funny thing is that I know a lot of white people who actually DO support BLM and have been actively working for it. So that's a plus. I'm personally not one of those people given the movement is excrement, but I can see how someone might believe it's doing some good.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 25, 2016, 11:07:49 AM
Well, if black people lose out because of ignorance when they don't speak up, your problem is just that white people lose.
Funny thing is that I know a lot of white people who actually DO support BLM and have been actively working for it. So that's a plus. I'm personally not one of those people given the movement is excrement, but I can see how someone might believe it's doing some good.
It's not nothing to do with winning or losing to me. It's about using racism and ignorance to "solve" racism and ignorance. It's asinine.
And quite frankly it's annoying as freak when white people are frequently portrayed as the villan all the time. Then when there's racism and ignorance like this the left doesn't bat an eye.
Either racism and ignorance is bad or it isn't.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 25, 2016, 11:11:09 AM
Post by: Johnny English on August 25, 2016, 11:15:32 AM
There's no question that younger generations are far more open minded than old folks.
How old are you?
Post by: Koz on August 25, 2016, 11:24:28 AM
Post by: Badger on August 25, 2016, 12:14:43 PM
Who the freak thought this was a good idea?lolbing
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8590/state-university-now-offers-stop-white-people-pardes-seleh
In before Tommy and dcm say "If white people did this..."
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2016, 12:51:32 PM
Good thing I'm raising my children as black!You're black or they are black?
Post by: Pope on August 25, 2016, 01:01:50 PM
You're black or they are black?When Mrs Koz was home alone the black cable repair tech impregnated her
Post by: Koz on August 25, 2016, 02:08:58 PM
You're black or they are black? Yes.
Post by: Tommy on August 25, 2016, 05:51:30 PM
Who the freak thought this was a good idea?
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8590/state-university-now-offers-stop-white-people-pardes-seleh
In before Tommy and dcm say "If white people did this..."
Quote
The three RAs claim they will give “#StopWhitePeople2K16” course attendees the “tools” to respond to “uneducated people” with “‘good’ arguments.” You know, the people who preach mutual respect, equality under God, and constitutional freedoms. Those people.
I don't get this. Is this the author's opinion being thrown in there at the end, or is that part of the RAs' message?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 25, 2016, 05:54:27 PM
I don't get this. Is this the author's opinion being thrown in there at the end, or is that part of the RAs' message?
Author just threw a miscellaneous quotation mark for no reason in there.
It's the author
Post by: Tommy on August 25, 2016, 05:55:59 PM
Anything not in "quotes" is the author
So the author is making no secret what she thinks about this. The Daily News is such excrement.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 25, 2016, 06:01:28 PM
So the author is making no secret what she thinks about this. The Daily News is such excrement.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the author is mocking those on the left with that commentary (notably the 3 RAs)
Post by: Badger on August 25, 2016, 06:11:54 PM
So the author is making no secret what she thinks about this. The Daily News is such excrement.
What does the Daily News have to do with it?
Post by: Tommy on August 25, 2016, 06:35:35 PM
What does the Daily News have to do with it?
Oops. Saw "Daily" and thought it was Daily News.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 26, 2016, 11:02:54 AM
It's not nothing to do with winning or losing to me. It's about using racism and ignorance to "solve" racism and ignorance. It's asinine.
And quite frankly it's annoying as freak when white people are frequently portrayed as the villan all the time. Then when there's racism and ignorance like this the left doesn't bat an eye.
Either racism and ignorance is bad or it isn't.
You and I have different views of what racism means. I consider racism to be systemic and institutional. The people calling for violence are assholes spawning racial hatred, but unless they reach a position of power to actually do something about it, I have a tough time putting it in the same category. HOWEVER, I don't think that excuses the behavior in the slightest. There is a way to be loud without being violent, and that's something that the BLM members being covered by the media are failing to do. What's interesting is that it's my understanding that there are a lot of peaceful events going on which get zero coverage by the media. For a group that's left leaning, it shows that ratings trump politics every single time. Their coverage hurts the movement.
I don't think white people are considered the villain all the time or even by most people. The systems that give privilege to white people are, and it's fair to target them. The problem is that people like you feel attacked when your privilege is attacked and you take it personally. That's a natural way to feel when there ARE so many violent and hateful protests going on, but I'd suggest you listen to what they're actually calling for. As I've said countless times, I think the very visible face of the movement is awful. It's getting them press, though, and desperate people do desperate things. I think the media is as much to blame for what's going on.
Either way, you can't say they're using racism to solve racism. What they're doing and what they're trying to solve are completely different things. Using the same label is disingenuous.
We're never going to see eye to eye on this, though. You're simply too caught up in sensationalism and your own fears. So, we can go ahead and leave it be, although I do want to address something in your next post which I found interesting.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 26, 2016, 11:04:31 AM
On a side note arguing this excrement brings out the worst in people. Hot topics like race and politics just make people bitter and ignorant. Maybe the solution would be for people to just stop talking about it. Society is different today than it used to be. There's no question that younger generations are far more open minded than old folks.
And this is the solution that does absolutely nothing and a big reason why the anger is on display. "Not talking about it" means accepting the issues plaguing the community. That's the worst possible thing to do. There are internal problems that absolutely need to be dealt with in order to see real change, but simply ignoring the fact that privilege exists and is encouraged does nothing. It motivates people like you, however, to seek out the worst and encourage the media's coverage.
Post by: Tommy on August 26, 2016, 11:46:40 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2016, 11:52:24 AM
And this is the solution that does absolutely nothing and a big reason why the anger is on display. "Not talking about it" means accepting the issues plaguing the community. That's the worst possible thing to do. There are internal problems that absolutely need to be dealt with in order to see real change, but simply ignoring the fact that privilege exists and is encouraged does nothing. It motivates people like you, however, to seek out the worst and encourage the media's coverage.
I was mostly referring to the generational divide. If you look at the racial views of an 18 year old vs a 60 year old they're drastically different. There's a great deal of bitterness and ignorance in older people on BOTH sides of the issue. Trying to fix them is a poor use of resources. And all they do is pee off and push younger generations to radical viewpoints (again on both sides)
Maybe I'm naive in thinking this but I feel like most issues "could" (in theory) be solved by splitting the difference.
I think you could gain the support of many people with a message along the line of.
Systemic racism has improved significantly over the years but is still a problem and has a long way to go. However individuals problems are not just systemic. Personal responsibility and accountability are equally important. Children dropping out of schools, high percentage of single parents, and black on black violence are major problems internal problems in the black community.
I think until both sides are willing to admit there's both internal AND systemic problems nothing will get fixed.
You primarily have one side blaming the system, and another blaming the community. Split the freaking difference and you can actually accomplish something
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 26, 2016, 01:16:08 PM
What exactly is "the system" though?
Those in positions of power. Institutions. Government and government services like police departments, large employers and their lobbyists, etc.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on August 27, 2016, 02:53:03 PM
https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/786655684809274/
Post by: JFIF on August 27, 2016, 03:30:23 PM
http://nogymrequired.com/blog/ngr-shoes-featured-msns-funky-fitness-footwear
Post by: Tommy on August 27, 2016, 04:09:31 PM
We should all chip in and get him a pair of these.
http://nogymrequired.com/blog/ngr-shoes-featured-msns-funky-fitness-footwear
When I read that all I saw was this:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160827/e3dd4fb119d3a4b08745b45e4975a568.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 31, 2016, 11:52:04 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 31, 2016, 12:38:45 PM
Maybe hackers are the best hope to fix Americas excrement political system
Post by: dcm1602 on September 20, 2016, 10:23:28 AM
I think there's clearly an issue with protocol and cop training. The guy was behaving erratically and not obeying commands, but this isn't deserving of death either.
Culture of people's responses and behavior to police would improve the situation, but isn't a complete solution either. Changing protocol to encourage police to utilize non lethal measures sooner would result in less fatalities but much more incidents and litigation against police.
I think as long as there's some kind of legal reform it may be a reasonable alternative
Post by: mj2sexay on September 20, 2016, 12:29:18 PM
Another black guy shot in Tulsa after his car broke down.
I think there's clearly an issue with protocol and cop training. The guy was behaving erratically and not obeying commands, but this isn't deserving of death either.
Culture of people's responses and behavior to police would improve the situation, but isn't a complete solution either. Changing protocol to encourage police to utilize non lethal measures sooner would result in less fatalities but much more incidents and litigation against police.
I think as long as there's some kind of legal reform it may be a reasonable alternative
People are going to use this as justification to what appears to be a straight up murder, which is freaking bullshit.
People are also going to attempt to lump this situation in with Ferguson which is also bullshit. IMHO, when you use a situation like Ferguson in which even the DOJ exonerated officer Wilson, it cheapens what is clearly a very valid argument that protocols and attitudes need to change.
And so the divide will continue to grow. At what point does everyone look at each individual situation on the merits instead of attempting to uniformally declare that each is the same?
As far as legal reform, good luck with that. The ACLU and the PBA are both going to have their objections if (when) they don't 100 percent get their way.
Post by: Tommy on September 20, 2016, 02:08:30 PM
And so the divide will continue to grow. At what point does everyone look at each individual situation on the merits instead of attempting to uniformally declare that each is the same?
Never. Since Treyvon the narrative has been and will always be "white people can get away with killing black people."
There's just no way around that.
Post by: Tommy on September 20, 2016, 02:54:02 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/20/hillary-clinton-vows-speak-directly-white-people-stop-racial-police-shootings/
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 20, 2016, 03:19:45 PM
Post by: NDMick on September 20, 2016, 03:38:59 PM
And so the divide will continue to grow. At what point does everyone look at each individual situation on the merits instead of attempting to uniformally declare that each is the same?
People don't do that about anything. That is human nature.
Never. Since Treyvon the narrative has been and will always be "white people can get away with killing black people."
There's just no way around that.
Longer than that.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 20, 2016, 07:38:35 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 21, 2016, 11:11:55 AM
People are going to use this as justification to what appears to be a straight up murder, which is freaking bullshit.
People are also going to attempt to lump this situation in with Ferguson which is also bullshit. IMHO, when you use a situation like Ferguson in which even the DOJ exonerated officer Wilson, it cheapens what is clearly a very valid argument that protocols and attitudes need to change.
And so the divide will continue to grow. At what point does everyone look at each individual situation on the merits instead of attempting to uniformally declare that each is the same?
As far as legal reform, good luck with that. The ACLU and the PBA are both going to have their objections if (when) they don't 100 percent get their way.
Just an update on his erratic behavior
The police ended up finding PCP in his car. Will be very interesting to see how the lab work comes back.
If it turns out this guy was bugging out on PCP then that makes this shooting look much much less bad
Post by: Tommy on September 21, 2016, 11:33:38 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 21, 2016, 12:58:34 PM
If it turns out this guy was bugging out on PCP then that makes this shooting look much much less bad
I don't care if he was on PCP or not. They could've tased him multiple times from a distance. There was absolutely no immediate threat from Terence Crutcher.
That police officer needs to lose her job and go to trial.
The shooting that happened in Charlotte is much different, yet BLM are still protesting. Keith Lamont Scott had a gun. The police reportedly told him to drop the weapon multiple times before shooting.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 21, 2016, 09:02:33 PM
Doesn't sound like its like Dallas at all, but at least one civilian dead (from another civilian)
http://wlos.com/news/nation-world/protests-continue-after-charlotte-man-fatally-shot-by-police
Post by: Tommy on September 22, 2016, 07:59:19 AM
Another freaking moron shooting at a black lives matter type protest
Doesn't sound like its like Dallas at all, but at least one civilian dead (from another civilian)
http://wlos.com/news/nation-world/protests-continue-after-charlotte-man-fatally-shot-by-police
Shooting at a peace rally? That'll go a long way in breaking down those stereotypes.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 22, 2016, 11:30:12 AM
I don't care if he was on PCP or not. They could've tased him multiple times from a distance. There was absolutely no immediate threat from Terence Crutcher.Exactly. I can't see changing my opinion on Terence Crutcher because everything about that video is just disturbing.
That police officer needs to lose her job and go to trial.
The shooting that happened in Charlotte is much different, yet BLM are still protesting. Keith Lamont Scott had a gun. The police reportedly told him to drop the weapon multiple times before shooting.
The Charlotte shooting is much more justifiable. Yet they're burning Uptown down. It's really sad.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 22, 2016, 12:58:30 PM
Shooting at a peace rally? That'll go a long way in breaking down those stereotypes.
Good to know that a handful of people can make you feel justified in stereotyping an entire race.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2016, 03:13:24 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 22, 2016, 04:22:25 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 22, 2016, 06:25:19 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2016, 07:22:50 PM
He's coming down here for the weekend because they closed down his office through the weekend.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 27, 2016, 11:32:42 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 28, 2016, 05:36:09 AM
http://fox5sandiego.com/2016/09/27/person-injured-in-el-cajon-shooting/
I think the same two issues seem to be a common trend
Yet again violence had to be used because a person was non compliant and disobeying commands (yes this guy may have been mentally ill)
And the police didn't utilize non lethal measures to subdue him soon enough to descalate the situation
Post by: Jumbo on September 28, 2016, 07:15:06 AM
I think the same two issues seem to be a common trend
Yet again violence had to be used because a person was non compliant and disobeying commands (yes this guy may have been mentally ill)
And the police didn't utilize non lethal measures to subdue him soon enough to descalate the situation
He was too busy having a seizure to obey commands
Post by: dcm1602 on September 28, 2016, 08:45:41 AM
He was too busy having a seizure to obey commands
It doesn't sound anything like he had a seizur
But everyone seems to agree that some kind of mental illness was involved
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 28, 2016, 09:19:33 AM
It doesn't sound anything like he had a seizur
But everyone seems to agree that some kind of mental illness was involved
He had a seizure. His sister called 911 because he was having a seizure and she needed help.
Post by: Koz on September 28, 2016, 10:35:56 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 28, 2016, 10:43:23 AM
I have a sister and a brother who are struggling with how to raise black sons today. My sister's son is 22 and has never once been in a bit of trouble, but he's had run ins for driving or walking in his own neighborhood. At the time, there wasn't much to think about, but that wasn't far from where this happen. My brother's sons are much younger, but they've already had to teach the older one how to speak to police officers for his own safety. He's 9. This is not the way kids should be raised. My kids have been raised to trust the police. His kids have to be raised to look out for themselves and protect themselves in all interactions with them. To have this happen to close friends in his backyard is terrifying for him and his wife. His older son doesn't have mental disease, but he's quirky. Who knows what could make an officer consider him dangerous? What quirk could make them find him untrustworthy and shifty? Again, it's no way for a kid to have to be raised. The aforementioned sister and brother in law have two kids of their own. What are they supposed to say to those children? If they discover that their own child has a predisposition to mental illness, they will now worry about the illness itself AND the fact that it could actually place their child at danger from people in positions of support. No way for a kid to have to be raised.
This man is dead now because his sister tried to place trust in the police and they responded with absolutely no care for what was really going on. They didn't once listen to her. They didn't trust her. They shot him because they had their own notion of what was going on that wasn't rooted in any fact, and it can and does happen everywhere these days.
I'm sure if I hadn't posted this yet, I'd have gotten the responses I would have expected. It was his fault somehow. It was her fault somehow. I'm just too tired of this excrement to deal with them right now.
Post by: Koz on September 28, 2016, 10:53:42 AM
Sorry to hear that this was a loss you were personally involved in, and I'm all one to point fingers when someone is clearly guilty, but when a person takes this type of position squaring off on police, with some type of object in his hands, nothing good will come of it. You and I would have been shot just as easily. Look at suicide by cop videos and see how alot of the people who died are in fact white, not black. Not saying that this was such an instance, but instead that if an officer has a reasonable fear that they will not be seeing their family again, they will take appropriate action when someone takes such an aggressive stance with what they perceive to be a weapon.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 28, 2016, 11:15:29 AM
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Sorry to hear that this was a loss you were personally involved in, and I'm all one to point fingers when someone is clearly guilty, but when a person takes this type of position squaring off on police, with some type of object in his hands, nothing good will come of it. You and I would have been shot just as easily. Look at suicide by cop videos and see how alot of the people who died are in fact white, not black. Not saying that this was such an instance, but instead that if an officer has a reasonable fear that they will not be seeing their family again, they will take appropriate action when someone takes such an aggressive stance with what they perceive to be a weapon.
My father has actually been in that position before, which came up after we heard the news. My father's adopted and his brother is an absolute psycho. My father had to call for help and got a 5150 just like this. The officers who responded asked my father for the situation. Does he have a weapon. What sort of danger does he pose. They then responded and took him in, fighting tooth and nail but ultimately easily subdued. That was without a taser. My father was a psychologist before going into computers. He had situations in which he had to call in assistance for others. Same deal. They assess the situation with the person who called and then proceed accordingly.
So no, you and I would not have been shot just as easily. Our sisters would have been asked about the situation, and we'd have been taken in. This is exactly the response I was expecting, though, so thank you for your interpretation of "appropriate action".
Post by: Koz on September 28, 2016, 11:28:45 AM
My father has actually been in that position before, which came up after we heard the news. My father's adopted and his brother is an absolute psycho. My father had to call for help and got a 5150 just like this. The officers who responded asked my father for the situation. Does he have a weapon. What sort of danger does he pose. They then responded and took him in, fighting tooth and nail but ultimately easily subdued. That was without a taser. My father was a psychologist before going into computers. He had situations in which he had to call in assistance for others. Same deal. They assess the situation with the person who called and then proceed accordingly.
So no, you and I would not have been shot just as easily. Our sisters would have been asked about the situation, and we'd have been taken in. This is exactly the response I was expecting, though, so thank you for your interpretation of "appropriate action".
I have friends who are emergency services officers on Long Island. They have been involved in shootings where someone had taken a similar position with them, with what was perceived to be a weapon, only to learn later that it was not. One officer had 3 such shootings, 2 involving barricades and another on the street. Guess what? They were all white perpetrators. Guys just like you and I.
How can they take a 3rd party's assertion as valid that the perpetrator is not holding a weapon. An opinion can be provided that the person isn't armed, or normally armed, but how would a police officer know that for sure? Failure to respond to repeated directives from police, failure to lower what is perceived to be a weapon, shooting stance = dead guy. There will not be any criminal wrongdoing or job action taken against these cops. I'm much more critical of other recent shootings, but not this one. Put yourself in the shoes of the cop and imagine the split-second decision making required.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 28, 2016, 11:34:43 AM
I have friends who are emergency services officers on Long Island. They have been involved in shootings where someone had taken a similar position with them, with what was perceived to be a weapon, only to learn later that it was not. One officer had 3 such shootings, 2 involving barricades and another on the street. Guess what? They were all white perpetrators. Guys just like you and me.
How can they take a 3rd party's assertion as valid that the perpetrator is not holding a weapon. An opinion can be provided that the person isn't armed, or normally armed, but how would a police officer know that for sure? Failure to respond to repeated directives from police, failure to lower what is perceived to be a weapon, shooting stance = dead guy. There will not be any criminal wrongdoing or job action taken against these cops. I'm much more critical of other recent shootings, but not this one. Put yourself in the shoes of the cop and imagine the split-second decision making required.
A 3rd party's assertion? It was the man's freaking sister who called for help because he had a seizure and was behaving erratically. It's not an opinion that the person isn't armed if she knows for a fact that he isn't armed. If they suspected that he had a gun despite being assured that he didn't have a gun, then tase him on sight and take him in. Don't pull a gun and wait for him to respond in kind. That's horseshit and you know it.
That's so crazy that your friends have been in so many similar positions of a guy having a seizure and their families calling in for help dealing with it. I guess it happens all the time.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 28, 2016, 11:37:01 AM
Post by: ons on September 28, 2016, 11:48:43 AM
You know what? I'm out. I just don't have the energy to deal with this excrement any more.
I'm sorry for you family friends' suffering. I read this forum a lot more often than I post in it, but I do agree with almost everything that you write regarding race and race-related violence.
Fear drives people, including police, to act irrationally with violence. Black people generally provoke more fear than white people. It's tragic and appalling that anyone should go through life knowing that their presence and skin color frightens people, and that those frightened people are protected and defended when they react to their own fear with violence.
Post by: Tommy on September 28, 2016, 12:17:25 PM
Post by: NDMick on September 28, 2016, 12:22:37 PM
Yeah, no white people have ever been shot by cops.
not on the news they haven't. Not ratings/riot worthy.
Post by: Pope on September 28, 2016, 12:26:36 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 28, 2016, 12:46:23 PM
That said this guy's behavior and actions were unquestionably a critical factor as well. I work in healthcare and have a parent who has seizures, and I would never have associated this guy's supposed actions with a seizure, I can't see why the cops would believe that either. It's 100% possible that it seizures or mental illness were the underlying cause of his behavior but it's not the cops fault for not understanding that.
Retraining for police officers to use non lethal force to subdue someone sooner to descalate a situation is 100% a significant part of the solution. This will obviously be a huge pain in the derriere, and require reform preventing against lawsuits as well.
Changing the culture of people when it comes to dealing with the police is key as well. In this scenario it may not have been applicable, but it's a huge issue as well
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2016, 12:55:16 PM
It's 100% possible that it seizures or mental illness were the underlying cause of his behavior but it's not the cops fault for not understanding that.
Even when the whole reason that they're attending the scene in the first place is because a close family member has called them and said "he's having a seizure"?
Post by: Koz on September 28, 2016, 01:02:52 PM
Even when the whole reason that they're attending the scene in the first place is because a close family member has called them and said "he's having a seizure"?
I have a very close family member with epilepsy, and have been around others with epilepsy as well. I have seen too many focal and grand mal seizures for my liking.
Seizure activity does not cause someone to all of a sudden stop and take a combative/fighting stance and behave as if they have a gun.
While they were called to the scene to handle "Situation A," it unfortunately morphed into "Situation B." It's not like the cops could yell out "but you were supposed to be having a seizure, please stop," as he raised what they perceived to be a gun.
Don't get me wrong, it's sad that he had to die, but what first came across the responding officer's laptop in the car isn't what they were ultimately dealing with in the end.
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2016, 01:07:53 PM
I have a very close family member with epilepsy, and have been around others with epilepsy as well. I have seen too many focal and grand mal seizures for my liking.
Seizure activity does not cause someone to all of a sudden stop and take a combative/fighting stance and behave as if they have a gun.
While they were called to the scene to handle "Situation A," it unfortunately morphed into "Situation B." It's not like the cops could yell out "but you were supposed to be having a seizure, please stop," as he raised what they perceived to be a gun.
Don't get me wrong, it's sad that he had to die, but what first came across the responding officer's laptop in the car isn't what they were ultimately dealing with in the end.
Which doesn't relate to the point I was making, which was answering dcm's suggestion that the cops couldn't be blamed for knowing he was having a seizure when it was the explicit purpose of their attendance in the first place.
And no one to my knowledge said anything about epilepsy. There are a number of different types of seizure.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 28, 2016, 02:33:34 PM
Even when the whole reason that they're attending the scene in the first place is because a close family member has called them and said "he's having a seizure"?
Yes
Because maybe it's ignorance, but absolutely nobody has an image of a person having a seizure behaving like that.
If I call the cops and say hey this guy is having a heart attack, and they show up and he's dancing on the roof of a car, should I expect them to still think he's having a heart attack?
It's entirely possible this guy was having f a seizure, but it certainly doesn't appear that way
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2016, 03:14:04 PM
Yes
Because maybe it's ignorance, but absolutely nobody has an image of a person having a seizure behaving like that.
If I call the cops and say hey this guy is having a heart attack, and they show up and he's dancing on the roof of a car, should I expect them to still think he's having a heart attack?
It's entirely possible this guy was having f a seizure, but it certainly doesn't appear that way
I think it depends on how you define the term "seizure". The police were informed that the man was mentally ill and that their help was needed to get him safely under control; their response in this case, on the evidence available to us, seems disproportionate.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 28, 2016, 03:33:09 PM
I think it depends on how you define the term "seizure". The police were informed that the man was mentally ill and that their help was needed to get him safely under control; their response in this case, on the evidence available to us, seems disproportionate.
I'm not saying the shooting is justified, because it's not.
I'm saying that the seizure thing seems at best incredibly muddled at best . Even giving the benefit of doubt t and assuming he was truly having a seizure, it doesn't appear that way at all. And as police officers likely have incredibly limited medical training, I can't see why they think he'd be having one either. And unfortunately we live in a fucked up world where you can't always give people the benefit of the doubt.
This is unfortunate, the police need better training and a new systematic approach. And Until the issues I pointed out before getting addressed, I think we'll still see these unfortunate tragedies too often
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2016, 03:54:53 PM
It's not right, but in the interest of self preservation it has to be considered.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 28, 2016, 04:00:06 PM
I really, really, really don't want to say this, but if you're black you should probably consider that involving the cops may possibly not go well for you. Not victim blaming, but it must have taken extraordinary faith in the police to think they wouldn't freak this one up.
It's not right, but in the interest of self preservation it has to be considered.
I really don't want to say this because I know I'll get criticized for this.
But isn't it ignorant to say that without statistics to back it up?
There's no question there's been a lot of news stories that make the police look horrible to black people. But what % of the time do you really think that is?
I think that excrement is bullshit and even if the police are disproportionately unfair to blacks, they still are far more good than bad, even to the black community
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2016, 04:14:14 PM
I really don't want to say this because I know I'll get criticized for this.Based on my calculations it's somewhere around 3/5 of the time.
But isn't it ignorant to say that without statistics to back it up?
There's no question there's been a lot of news stories that make the police look horrible to black people. But what % of the time do you really think that is?
I think that excrement is bullshit and even if the police are disproportionately unfair to blacks, they still are far more good than bad, even to the black community
Post by: Tommy on September 28, 2016, 04:38:00 PM
I really, really, really don't want to say this, but if you're black you should probably consider that involving the cops may possibly not go well for you. Not victim blaming, but it must have taken extraordinary faith in the police to think they wouldn't freak this one up.
It's not right, but in the interest of self preservation it has to be considered.
Especially when the guy is acting erratically. With all the anti-police stuff going around (and cops actually getting shot), it's not crazy to assume that maybe these guys probably thought they were being set up when they got to the scene. Who knows? This isn't a Gardner situation where the guy was just standing there and gets choked and brought down by 5 officers.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 15, 2016, 02:34:55 PM
http://www.wcvb.com/news/5-investigates-suspect-in-boston-police-shooting-wrote-of-islamic-rebirth-had-several-aliases/42096216
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 05, 2016, 03:25:54 PM
one of the jurors refused to find him guilty of any wrongdoing, and this caused the jury to deliberate for days before the judge declared a mistrial today
this case was made famous for the cellphone footage taken of the incident showing the officer shooting an unarmed scott multiple times in the back. scott was running away from the officer. the video then caught slager trying to plant his taser next to scott's dead body
Post by: Coach K on December 05, 2016, 03:46:37 PM
just minutes ago, judge ordered a mistrial in the case of officer michael slager's shooting of walter scott
one of the jurors refused to find him guilty of any wrongdoing, and this caused the jury to deliberate for days before the judge declared a mistrial today
this case was made famous for the cellphone footage taken of the incident showing the officer shooting an unarmed scott multiple times in the back. scott was running away from the officer. the video then caught slager trying to plant his taser next to scott's dead body
Nothing will ever be worse than Tamir rice or John Crawford, but this was horrible .
Too lazy to chase the guy so he shoots him and reports a struggle with his taser on radio while unknowingly being filmed to prove otherwise.
Then plants his taser on the body .
What's more disturbing is how non chalant he is over the radio when he calls it in.
He literally shot him because he was too tired to chase .
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 05, 2016, 03:50:01 PM
Nothing will ever be worse than Tamir rice or John Crawford, but this was horrible .
Too lazy to chase the guy so he shoots him and reports a struggle with his taser on radio while unknowingly being filmed to prove otherwise.
Then plants his taser on the body .
What's more disturbing is how non chalant he is over the radio when he calls it in.
He literally shot him because he was too tired to chase .
moreover, slager reported that a 'physical struggle' occurred between the two, not picked up by the dash cam and occurring before this bystander took footage with his phone. the on-ground struggle was not something that slager reported to initial investigators, it was something he brought up during the trial
Post by: nyjunc on December 05, 2016, 03:59:07 PM
moreover, slager reported that a 'physical struggle' occurred between the two, not picked up by the dash cam and occurring before this bystander took footage with his phone. the on-ground struggle was not something that slager reported to initial investigators, it was something he brought up during the trial
there was a physical struggle on tape. here is how it went:
he pulled the man over, had a brief, cordial conversation as he went to his police car to run his license. Scott then opens his door and RUNS away. the enxt part of the tape there was a physical altercation, he tried to use his taser and it didn't work, scott runs away again and then is shot.
this officer eventual will be go to jail but if Scott doesn't run away, get into a physical altercation w/ officer then run away again he is alive today but instead he is now a hero b/c this criminal ran from police and was shot. Both were in the wrong but one is celebrated as a hero b/c of it.
Post by: Coach K on December 05, 2016, 04:06:09 PM
there was a physical struggle on tape. here is how it went:
he pulled the man over, had a brief, cordial conversation as he went to his police car to run his license. Scott then opens his door and RUNS away. the enxt part of the tape there was a physical altercation, he tried to use his taser and it didn't work, scott runs away again and then is shot.
this officer eventual will be go to jail but if Scott doesn't run away, get into a physical altercation w/ officer then run away again he is alive today but instead he is now a hero b/c this criminal ran from police and was shot. Both were in the wrong but one is celebrated as a hero b/c of it.
Lol nobody is calling Scott a hero or suggesting that running was the right thing to do .
People are upset that someone who posed no imminent danger to a cop was shot from behind multiple times . Thiso is on video , and somehow a mistrial is in order
ID like to point out there 5 white males , 6 white females , and 1 black male .
How this is a jury of your peers is beyond me .
But no, I don't know how you feel criticism of a cop using lethal force on a non threat is "being treated like a hero"
Post by: nyjunc on December 05, 2016, 04:14:52 PM
Lol nobody is calling Scott a hero or suggesting that running was the right thing to do .
People are upset that someone who posed no imminent danger to a cop was shot from behind multiple times . Thiso is on video , and somehow a mistrial is in order
ID like to point out there 5 white males , 6 white females , and 1 black male .
How this is a jury of your peers is beyond me .
But no, I don't know how you feel criticism of a cop using lethal force on a non threat is "being treated like a hero"
But he is propped up as one w/ the hate group OBLM
People should be upset he was killed and the officer should and I think eventually will go to jail for a while but they should be equally upset this criminal ran from police.
It’s like the opposite of the OJ jury, I guess?
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 05, 2016, 04:38:23 PM
there was a physical struggle on tape. here is how it went:
he pulled the man over, had a brief, cordial conversation as he went to his police car to run his license. Scott then opens his door and RUNS away. the enxt part of the tape there was a physical altercation, he tried to use his taser and it didn't work, scott runs away again and then is shot.
this officer eventual will be go to jail but if Scott doesn't run away, get into a physical altercation w/ officer then run away again he is alive today but instead he is now a hero b/c this criminal ran from police and was shot. Both were in the wrong but one is celebrated as a hero b/c of it.
the tape didn't show scott with the taser. the beginning of the cell phone video showed the end of what may have been a ground tussle but it was crudely caught and very hard to tell.
the person who shot the video, however, said that what he saw was the officer on top and in control of the situation; scott never got control of the taser.
slager said he shot scott because scott got control of his taser and he feared for his life, but scott didn't even have the taser on him. he was unarmed and running away, and was about 20 feet away when slager started shooting at him. there was no way scott posed a threat to his life at that sort of distance, unarmed and running away
in court slager said that he had no idea scott didn't have the taser, because he could not locate the taser LOL and thought scott had it. however, after the shooting, he had no problem locating the taser when he went back, picked it up off the ground, and went back to scott's body and planted it next to him
moreover, after shooting scott, slager did not perform any form of CPR, which they lied about on the police report saying they did.
why do you keep referring to him as a criminal. he was originally stopped due to a broken tail light. he had some unpaid child support. it was foolish of him to run, yes. but what happened to scott was still wrong. you throwing around the term criminal so nonchalantly makes it sound like scott was somebody who had multiple serious run-ins with the law, and was more likely than not going to find some bad end from the law due to criminal activity. that wasn't the case here
Post by: Badger on December 05, 2016, 08:45:13 PM
the hate group OBLMThanks for showing your cards.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 06, 2016, 09:17:14 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on December 06, 2016, 09:54:35 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 06, 2016, 10:43:26 AM
And yes, if the guy was white he'd still be running.
Not for very long or far though because of inferior athleticism and stamina
Post by: nyjunc on December 06, 2016, 11:44:23 AM
the tape didn't show scott with the taser. the beginning of the cell phone video showed the end of what may have been a ground tussle but it was crudely caught and very hard to tell.
the person who shot the video, however, said that what he saw was the officer on top and in control of the situation; scott never got control of the taser.
slager said he shot scott because scott got control of his taser and he feared for his life, but scott didn't even have the taser on him. he was unarmed and running away, and was about 20 feet away when slager started shooting at him. there was no way scott posed a threat to his life at that sort of distance, unarmed and running away
in court slager said that he had no idea scott didn't have the taser, because he could not locate the taser LOL and thought scott had it. however, after the shooting, he had no problem locating the taser when he went back, picked it up off the ground, and went back to scott's body and planted it next to him
moreover, after shooting scott, slager did not perform any form of CPR, which they lied about on the police report saying they did.
why do you keep referring to him as a criminal. he was originally stopped due to a broken tail light. he had some unpaid child support. it was foolish of him to run, yes. but what happened to scott was still wrong. you throwing around the term criminal so nonchalantly makes it sound like scott was somebody who had multiple serious run-ins with the law, and was more likely than not going to find some bad end from the law due to criminal activity. that wasn't the case here
the tape showed the taser going off during the struggle.
Slager should be going to jail for a long time and I believe he will be at some point. I am not defending him.
when do innocent people run away from the police? he was a criminal, there was a warrant for his arrest at the time of his death. I believe it was for back child support but regardless of the reasons he was in the wrong and fled b/c of it.
Thanks for showing your cards.thanks for showing yours.
He cuffed a corpse and planted evidence. He shot an unarmed fleeing man 3 times in the back. And yes, if the guy was white he'd still be running. If the next 'jury of his peers' gets it wrong, the feds will take care of it.
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of course b/c white people never get shot by police. ::) and the police are always out and about looking to kill black people.
Post by: Tommy on December 06, 2016, 11:54:13 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2017, 09:58:41 PM
Post by: nyjunc on January 09, 2017, 12:55:59 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 09, 2017, 01:12:02 PM
are we still talking about this hate group?
no
Post by: Coach K on January 10, 2017, 10:16:29 PM
Post by: nyjunc on January 11, 2017, 08:20:05 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 30, 2017, 09:57:25 AM
Post by: sg3 on January 30, 2017, 10:45:03 AM
are we still talking about this hate group?junk is right
There is a much larger, more evil and virulent hate group in America
It currently is occupying a building at 1600 Penn Ave in our Capital
Post by: dcm1602 on January 30, 2017, 03:07:22 PM
junk is right
There is a much larger, more evil and virulent hate group in America
It currently is occupying a building at 1600 Penn Ave in our Capital
Well considering you and Junc are the same person...
Post by: Heismanberg on January 30, 2017, 05:02:37 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 07, 2017, 11:36:44 PM
"NYDN IS RACIST!!!"
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2017, 12:05:43 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/king-demanding-justice-karina-vetrano-doesn-require-racism-article-1.2965543
"NYDN IS RACIST!!!"
It is a shitty and sensationalistic headline.
But on a personal note, all discussion that I've seen among people discussing the arrest has avoided dipping into racist stereotypes.
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2017, 06:11:32 AM
It is a shitty and sensationalistic headline.
But on a personal note, all discussion that I've seen among people discussing the arrest has avoided dipping into racist stereotypes.
Yeah, instead of calling the cold-hearted rapist and murderer a "demon" was uncalled for. Should've went with what King was suggesting: "Honors student with no criminal background, who probably was just having a bad day, arrested by police for an undisclosed case."
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 08, 2017, 08:11:39 AM
Yeah, instead of calling the cold-hearted rapist and murderer a "demon" was uncalled for. Should've went with what King was suggesting: "Honors student with no criminal background, who probably was just having a bad day, arrested by police for an undisclosed case."
You didn't need to add to it to make that one sound bad.
Post by: Pope on February 08, 2017, 10:59:40 AM
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2017, 12:17:20 PM
Yeah, instead of calling the cold-hearted rapist and murderer a "demon" was uncalled for. Should've went with what King was suggesting: "Honors student with no criminal background, who probably was just having a bad day, arrested by police for an undisclosed case."Calling anyone a demon is dramatic.
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2017, 12:20:19 PM
Calling anyone a demon is dramatic.
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Post by: Badger on February 08, 2017, 01:34:59 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2017, 03:00:48 PM
My point stands.
I agree that it's sensationalist, but that's what tabloids do. And it's way more appropriate to call a murdering rapist a demon than the president.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 07, 2017, 10:22:36 AM
this is terrible
Post by: Tommy on May 07, 2017, 11:05:12 AM
https://streamable.com/tmrfw
this is terrible
Need more backstory. If she was shouting racist bullshit then she had that coming. If she was just being a cranky old woman complaining about the noise, then yeah it's awful.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 07, 2017, 11:33:23 AM
Need more backstory. If she was shouting racist bullshit then she had that coming. If she was just being a cranky old woman complaining about the noise, then yeah it's awful.
Even if she was being racist, she didn't need to be slammed and thrown into a pool. She's like 60-something years old.
No matter what the backstory is, the kid that put his hands on her is a freaking idiot and will likely be in jail before the end of this week.
Post by: Tommy on May 07, 2017, 02:08:35 PM
Even if she was being racist, she didn't need to be slammed and thrown into a pool. She's like 60-something years old.
No matter what the backstory is, the kid that put his hands on her is a freaking idiot and will likely be in jail before the end of this week.
Yeah, true. freak that guy.
Btw why did you post it here? Has this become the official "black people doing dumb excrement" thread?
Post by: Heismanberg on May 07, 2017, 02:13:18 PM
Yeah, true. freak that guy.
Btw why did you post it here? Has this become the official "black people doing dumb excrement" thread?
Because it was original posted on social media by some BLM idiot. I believe "black excellence" is what he called this.
Post by: Pope on May 07, 2017, 04:19:12 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2017, 08:21:23 PM
It's a shame that it got posted under a BLM tag, because this has nothing to do with people being black and everything to do with people being cunts. You can just as easily see this being done by a bunch of frat boys - in fact they might very well be.
Most of all I feel sorry for the dogs.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2017, 08:45:27 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 07, 2017, 10:16:58 PM
I don't really understand what's going on there. It looks a bit like a condo pool, which is the only explanation I can think of for her walking through there with her dogs and remonstrating with them.
It's a shame that it got posted under a BLM tag, because this has nothing to do with people being black and everything to do with people being cunts. You can just as easily see this being done by a bunch of frat boys - in fact they might very well be.
Most of all I feel sorry for the dogs.
As bad as I do feel for the dogs...what? How is this lady not deserving of having someone feel outraged on her behalf? What exactly did she do that was so wrong?
I know here in the States at least its totally an epidemic that frat boys indiscriminately resort to violence as soon as they're asked to turn down the volume which I'm sure occurs on a weekly basis at least three times. A rash of violence has overtaken our nations campuses because of these ne'erdowells. LOLOLOL. What nonsense.
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2017, 10:26:19 PM
As bad as I do feel for the dogs...what? How is this lady not deserving of having someone feel outraged on her behalf? What exactly did she do that was so wrong?
I know here in the States at least its totally an epidemic that frat boys indiscriminately resort to violence as soon as they're asked to turn down the volume which I'm sure occurs on a weekly basis at least three times. A rash of violence has overtaken our nations campuses because of these ne'erdowells. LOLOLOL. What nonsense.
I like dogs more than I like a lot of people. I have no idea what this lady did or said, and I have no idea whether she was asking them nicely to turn the music down or calling them a bunch of niggers who needed to get back to the plantations. I do know for a fact that the dogs didn't deserve that excrement.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2017, 11:05:42 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2017, 07:10:26 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bO1agIlLlhg&time_continue=330&ebc=ANyPxKr2l1EljpHdiykwcRCHMh9ZoBhdXaMSwv3ZpN3Rq9sL746PYiEzpKpDCeK3Uk_y2RayDpVCVhl7gZwBOh33wtZk_9yanw
Post by: Tommy on May 30, 2017, 07:28:56 PM
http://college.usatoday.com/2017/05/30/protests-erupt-over-racism-at-evergreen-state-college/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bO1agIlLlhg&time_continue=330&ebc=ANyPxKr2l1EljpHdiykwcRCHMh9ZoBhdXaMSwv3ZpN3Rq9sL746PYiEzpKpDCeK3Uk_y2RayDpVCVhl7gZwBOh33wtZk_9yanw
excrement like this just reinforces my racism.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 30, 2017, 07:32:57 PM
http://college.usatoday.com/2017/05/30/protests-erupt-over-racism-at-evergreen-state-college/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bO1agIlLlhg&time_continue=330&ebc=ANyPxKr2l1EljpHdiykwcRCHMh9ZoBhdXaMSwv3ZpN3Rq9sL746PYiEzpKpDCeK3Uk_y2RayDpVCVhl7gZwBOh33wtZk_9yanw
It's always entertaining when some halfwit attempt to protest racism just creates and emboldens racism on both sides
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2017, 10:02:02 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 07, 2017, 12:24:10 PM
Wait did that guy loot that window?
Post by: Tommy on June 07, 2017, 04:30:46 PM
Post by: Tommy on June 07, 2017, 04:31:17 PM
Post by: Badger on June 20, 2017, 09:40:28 PM
“As that was happening, as he was pulling at, out his hand I thought, I was gonna die and I thought if he’s, if he has the guts and the audacity to smoke marijuana in front of the 5-year-old girl and risk her lungs and risk her life by giving her secondhand smoke and the front seat passenger doing the same thing then what, what care does he give about me?”
Yanez is a stupid piece of excrement.
Post by: Badger on September 01, 2017, 10:42:18 AM
Cool. Love a little domestic unrest.http://deadsp.in/xicfpvj
Post by: Heismanberg on September 01, 2017, 10:45:18 AM
http://deadsp.in/xicfpvj
That is an absurd story.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2017, 08:34:13 PM
This is fine
Post by: Heismanberg on September 13, 2017, 09:13:23 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/09/13/rap-video-showing-child-being-hanged-causes-uproar.html
This is fine
That's the same dude that beat and tortured his pregnant girlfriend. Pure class.
Post by: Tommy on September 13, 2017, 09:36:31 PM
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“I called a lot of parents. It was a direct booking. No one was okay with their white child getting lynched,” Stanley said. “With all the racial tension in the world right out they were nervous.”
The freak? The fact that the mothers are white has nothing to do with them not wanting their kid to be lynched in a music video. "They're not comfortable with their white kid being lynched because of racial tensions." freak off.
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2017, 11:26:22 PM
XXXTentacion
One of two things happened here. Either his parents gave him this name, or he chose it for himself. Neither option is good.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2017, 05:34:39 AM
I'm less bothered by the whole lynching children thing than I am by this:SBTG
XXXTentacion
One of two things happened here. Either his parents gave him this name, or he chose it for himself. Neither option is good.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2017, 12:03:02 PM
Wake up, white people
Post by: Tommy on September 14, 2017, 04:03:00 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on September 15, 2017, 10:14:18 AM
People really need to shut the freak up and stop being a bunch of Trump supporters.
I agree.
Post by: MBGreen on September 16, 2017, 06:00:49 PM
People really need to shut the freak up and stop being a bunch of crybabies.
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Post by: Johnny English on September 19, 2017, 12:05:12 PM
https://www.facebook.com/NowThisNews/videos/1709220972442719/?hc_ref=ARRNYTwuVfgBA1V59yBVuerbsOyA5wzwfA87qyrLnD4QXu4pr1PxSZ6JwEY-NCbKnIw
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 19, 2017, 03:31:10 PM
was otherwise a nice video/occurrence to see, but i still can't deal with that, that part actually brought me down a bit. peoople in this country are just so freaking stupid, how mammoth of a task would it be to sit every single person like that down and explain to them how stupid it is to retort 'all lives matter' to anything BLM?
Post by: Badger on September 19, 2017, 04:17:16 PM
it's 2017 and people are still retorting 'all lives matter' when it comes to the topic of BLMYou mean you don't burst into funerals for people you don't know and shout "I TOO HAVE FELT LOSS!"?
was otherwise a nice video/occurrence to see, but i still can't deal with that, that part actually brought me down a bit. peoople in this country are just so freaking stupid, how mammoth of a task would it be to sit every single person like that down and explain to them how stupid it is to retort 'all lives matter' to anything BLM?
Post by: mj2sexay on September 19, 2017, 08:20:54 PM
it's 2017 and people are still retorting 'all lives matter' when it comes to the topic of BLM
was otherwise a nice video/occurrence to see, but i still can't deal with that, that part actually brought me down a bit. peoople in this country are just so freaking stupid, how mammoth of a task would it be to sit every single person like that down and explain to them how stupid it is to retort 'all lives matter' to anything BLM?
you're so freaking dumb its actually become insufferable. I think I'll resume my hibernation from this place-just figured I'd drop this in there.
Post by: Johnny English on September 19, 2017, 08:36:54 PM
you're so freaking dumb its actually become insufferable. I think I'll resume my hibernation from this place-just figured I'd drop this in there.
Not until you tell us how you did with the bar. Did you pass?
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 20, 2017, 12:29:59 AM
you're so freaking dumb its actually become insufferable. I think I'll resume my hibernation from this place-just figured I'd drop this in there.
don't you dare talk to me like that you freaking clown
if i was in your shoes i would have passed the bar on my first attempt
where do you get off thinking you can even attempt to call others dumb
go the freak back
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2017, 11:01:44 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on September 20, 2017, 11:35:38 PM
Not until you tell us how you did with the bar. Did you pass?
I don't find out until late october. LATE OCTOBER. Literally months and months of waiting. What a mindfuck.
don't you dare talk to me like that you freaking clown
if i was in your shoes i would have passed the bar on my first attempt
where do you get off thinking you can even attempt to call others dumb
go the freak back
No, sorry, to pass a test like the Bar, you actually have to be able to analyze facts and formulate an opinion.
Not regurgitate the latest talking points off of freaking tumblr.
Post by: Fenwyr on September 21, 2017, 02:51:57 AM
I don't find out until late october. LATE OCTOBER. Literally months and months of waiting. What a mindfuck.Your primary problem is analysing actual facts. To do so you need to start in a neutral position, without bias, and go from there. You haven't exactly shown that on this board.
No, sorry, to pass a test like the Bar, you actually have to be able to analyze facts and formulate an opinion.
Not regurgitate the latest talking points off of freaking tumblr.
The middle to left guys on this board are hardly relying on talking points. I can only speak for myself, but I'm going on a lifetime of observation. I have been politically conscious since the 80's. I have watched the agenda of both sides of the aisle, and to be honest, they haven't changed much at all.
Before cable news I recognized republicans as rich wanna be macho white guys looking for war and profit. I grew up with and knew them as racists and misogynists. And though his policies would clearly screw them, they sure loved Reagan.
That is obviously anecdotal, but as a young teen I at least started with neutral feelings. The preponderance of evidence led me to the left. There was nothing inherently 'good' about the politics of the right, unless you were a wealthy white male. To this day, some 25 years after I helped vote Bush 1 out of office, has anyone shown me that 'good' that republicans offer to anyone else?
Nope.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 21, 2017, 04:25:12 AM
No, sorry, to pass a test like the Bar, you actually have to be able to analyze facts and formulate an opinion.
Not regurgitate the latest talking points off of freaking tumblr.
fvcking weak, as per usual
for somebody who claims they find me insufferable, you always make it a point to comment/say something to me even when it has/i have nothing to do with you, and it's always the same weak excrement, every freaking time. you are not worth the time, and i've literally ignored you in the past for this very reason. if you're going to say something, actually make sure it is something of substance, not some fvcking diss about tumblr
and i would have passed the bar first attempt if i ever had to take it lool, dont be mad. move on, good luck
Post by: Badger on September 21, 2017, 07:22:03 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 21, 2017, 09:11:56 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 21, 2017, 10:18:20 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 21, 2017, 12:11:05 PM
freak you and your tall privilege. Finally someone understands how persecuted the short man is.
But you can be a limbo stick champion.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2017, 10:49:56 AM
Let me say this publicly to Doug Jones (@GDouglasJones).
You have 4 positions to appoint senior staff.
Chief of Staff
Deputy Chief of Staff
Communications Director
Legislative Director
At least two of them need to be Black.
If not, see what happens.
We're watching.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2017, 10:51:27 AM
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This is subtle racism.
NOBODY IN AMERICA is more educated than Black women.
NOBODY IN AMERICA is more prepared, more qualified, has more experience than professional Black women.
This isn't opinion. Studies show this.
Black women don't need qualification. They need open doors
K
Post by: bojanglesman on December 15, 2017, 11:25:30 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2017, 11:42:55 AM
@ShaunKing:
Let me say this publicly to Doug Jones (@GDouglasJones).
You have 4 positions to appoint senior staff.
Chief of Staff
Deputy Chief of Staff
Communications Director
Legislative Director
At least two of them need to be Black.
If not, see what happens.
We're watching.
It's objectionable by virtue of who's saying it, but it's not really wrong. Over a quarter of the state's population is black and he was overwhelmingly supported by the black population of the state; it kind of is incumbent upon him to ensure that they are represented in his office.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 15, 2017, 11:48:16 AM
It's objectionable by virtue of who's saying it, but it's not really wrong. Over a quarter of the state's population is black and he was overwhelmingly supported by the black population of the state; it kind of is incumbent upon him to ensure that they are represented in his office.
It would be hilarious if he appointed 1 white person and 3 mixed race people and watch Shaun King scratch his head trying to operate his racial calculator.
Post by: Badger on December 15, 2017, 12:00:42 PM
Shaun King, hardcore Trump supporters....same thing, different viewpoints.
Besides one side enabling white supremacy, totally the same.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 15, 2017, 03:12:04 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 08, 2018, 10:13:00 PM
Ooof
Post by: Badger on April 05, 2018, 10:54:17 PM
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2018, 02:36:23 PM
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/06/20/east-pittsburgh-officer-accused-of-killing-antwon-rose-sworn-in-hours-before-shooting/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 21, 2018, 02:48:11 PM
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According to police, officers initially responded to a shots fired called on Kirkpatrick Avenue in North Braddock. When they arrived, they found a 22-year-old man had been shot in the abdomen.
The shooter fired nine .40-caliber founds at the victim from a vehicle. The victim returned fire and struck the vehicle with multiple rounds.
Callers reported that a car was spotted fleeing the scene.
Police spotted what they believed was the same car on Grandview Avenue in East Pittsburgh a short time later. The car had bullet holes in the rear windows.
While an East Pittsburgh police officer was detaining the driver, two passengers ran from the car, including Rose. The officer opened fire and Rose was struck by multiple rounds.
Police found two weapons inside the vehicle, but none on Rose’s person.
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Sources tell KDKA political editor Jon Delano that the East Pittsburgh officer, in his 20s, has been on duty in East Pittsburgh for just three weeks and was sworn in about 90 minutes before the actual shooting. Although, he’s been an officer in the region since 2011.
He has worked in Harmarville, Oakmont, and for the University of Pittsburgh Police Department.
That’s one doozy of a headline.
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2018, 03:06:08 PM
That’s one doozy of a headline.
Maybe they're setting him up to use the "It's my first day" defense.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 21, 2018, 05:49:28 PM
Maybe they're setting him up to use the "It's my first day" defense.
“It’s my first black guy shooting” usually gets them off
Post by: Badger on September 11, 2018, 06:48:15 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 11, 2018, 06:57:25 AM
Anyone else following the story about the Dallas officer who walked into the wrong apartment when she was going home and shot the guy who lived there?
Yes
"He ignored my commands so I shot him"
Bitch, you walked into his freaking house.
Post by: Pope on September 11, 2018, 07:09:50 AM
Edit: just read up on it. Jesus Christ
Post by: Badger on September 11, 2018, 07:19:08 AM
Yeshttps://twitter.com/WideAsleepNima/status/1039378604201783296?s=19
"He ignored my commands so I shot him"
Bitch, you walked into his freaking house.
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2018, 09:51:17 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180914/4fcd764193745a8a6627edb8eb0c7ad2.jpg)
Post by: Heismanberg on September 13, 2018, 10:54:38 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 14, 2018, 05:25:18 AM
That's some bullshit
How the he'll did she even get into his freaking apartment?
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2018, 06:17:31 AM
How the he'll did she even get into his freaking apartment?"Housekeeping........you want mint for pillow? You want me jerk you off??"
Post by: Koz on September 14, 2018, 06:31:38 AM
How the he'll did she even get into his freaking apartment?Read that the door was ajar.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2018, 07:02:19 AM
Read that the door was ajar.
What's your take on this whole thing?
Post by: Koz on September 14, 2018, 10:56:02 AM
Be that as it may, she discharged her weapon in a careless/reckless fashion, and killed an innocent man in the process of doing so. I haven't read the manslaughter statute in this jurisdiction but most legal opinions thus far indicate that this is a strong case for manslaughter charges to stick.
At the end of the day, it's a sad and unexpected ending for a guy minding his own business at home and a life-changer for the officer.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2018, 01:27:50 PM
This is why we see players kneeling on Sundays.
Post by: Pope on September 14, 2018, 01:40:21 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2018, 02:43:49 PM
freak that police officer. She is a murderer and should be sentenced like one.
This is why we see players kneeling on Sundays.
She’ll probably be tried as a civilian and not a police officer. She also wasn’t making an arrest or pursuing a suspect, so she has no grounds for the use of deadly force. She’s fucked.
Idk if she’ll be tried for murder though. Sounds like manslaughter - if you believe her story. Which I don’t really, how did she get into the apartment and how did she not immediately realize she was in the wrong one.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
how did she get into the apartment and how did she not immediately realize she was in the wrong one.
I haven't been following the story much, but I wouldn't be shocked to find out alcohol or drugs were involved. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I can't in a million years imagine how I'd walk into the wrong apartment sober. Now, I've been plenty drunk before and I could totally see that happening.
Just speculation, but it makes no sense as told unless there's something we don't know.
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2018, 09:34:10 PM
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2018, 12:13:15 PM
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/what-happened-police-officer-who-shot-tamir-rice
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-laquan-mcdonald-jason-van-dyke-guilty-20181005-story.html
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 05:12:35 PM
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On March 1st, I am releasing a public accounting of every dollar I’ve ever raised for families in the Black Lives Matter Movement, along with statements of support from them clearly stating that I have never done such a thing.
- Shaun King, medium.com, January 20th 2019
For reference, today is March 3rd.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 05:13:58 PM
Post by: IATA on March 04, 2019, 08:50:26 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 04, 2019, 08:56:23 AM
not that i'm defending him, he annoys me. but an article from 2016 with a fair amount of baseless allegations and already disproven items is not exactly a hot take.
What has he disproven? There’s also been new and ongoing accusations since then
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2019, 04:16:10 PM
Ooof
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 12, 2019, 04:21:52 PM
https://twitter.com/deray/status/1172206598703538177?s=21 (https://twitter.com/deray/status/1172206598703538177?s=21)
Ooof
My favorite reply:
Quote from: @EMBinWDC
Replying to @deray
Talcum X is just the worst.
Post by: Badger on September 25, 2019, 10:07:57 PM
In case anyone forgot she's the cop who walked into a guy's home and killed him.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 26, 2019, 02:12:54 PM
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.........
Wow this is news to us, we could never have guessed from your dumbass posting, you hillbilly player of the pink oboe.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 26, 2020, 12:07:19 PM
Trigger/violence warning.
This is video of the guy who was suffocated to death by police yesterday in Minneapolis.
Damn near close to the Eric Garner case.
Post by: reuben on May 26, 2020, 12:32:48 PM
https://twitter.com/mukhtaryare/status/1265176544072302592?s=21
Trigger/violence warning.
This is video of the guy who was suffocated to death by police yesterday in Minneapolis.
Damn near close to the Eric Garner case.
freaking horrifying. Broad daylight, witnesses, cameras. Just freaking killed him anyway.
Post by: reuben on May 26, 2020, 12:33:44 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/us/minneapolis-police-man-died.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/us/minneapolis-police-man-died.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes)
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2020, 01:27:58 PM
FBI's on it.Are they gonna try to get the person who took the video to kill themselves?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/us/minneapolis-police-man-died.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/us/minneapolis-police-man-died.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes)
Post by: insanity on May 26, 2020, 02:49:39 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 26, 2020, 03:04:05 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-minneapolis-police-officers-fired-kneeling-death-video/
Clearly this only the beginning and there's obviously going to be an investigation and charges, but given the speed of this action being taken it might be that the blue wall doesn't close ranks this time. Hard to see how it could, but we've thought that before.
Post by: IATA on May 26, 2020, 03:17:14 PM
All four cops involved have been fired.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-minneapolis-police-officers-fired-kneeling-death-video/
Clearly this only the beginning and there's obviously going to be an investigation and charges, but given the speed of this action being taken it might be that the blue wall doesn't close ranks this time. Hard to see how it could, but we've thought that before.
that cop with the knee better get freaking murder charges.
he refused to get off him after people were begging him, telling him that he was dying, he doubled down.
how anyone could trust and think the police care about you is beyond me.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 26, 2020, 03:18:55 PM
how anyone could trust and think the police care about you is beyond me.
But Trump said police are p cool
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2020, 03:27:55 PM
All four cops involved have been fired.Racist GoFundMe in 3... 2... 1...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-minneapolis-police-officers-fired-kneeling-death-video/
Clearly this only the beginning and there's obviously going to be an investigation and charges, but given the speed of this action being taken it might be that the blue wall doesn't close ranks this time. Hard to see how it could, but we've thought that before.
Post by: insanity on May 26, 2020, 03:51:09 PM
https://www.startribune.com/man-found-in-river-is-identified-as-missing-hastings-45-year-old/19337564/
Interesting background, not sure what to make of the officer.
By the way, this was way too easy...
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 26, 2020, 07:06:47 PM
that cop with the knee better get freaking murder charges.
he refused to get off him after people were begging him, telling him that he was dying, he doubled down.
how anyone could trust and think the police care about you is beyond me.
He definitely deserves murder chargers. I couldn't sit through more than 10 seconds of that video it was so horrific.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 26, 2020, 09:46:52 PM
Great
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 26, 2020, 10:22:27 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 26, 2020, 10:26:45 PM
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1265450110563110915?s=21
Great
https://twitter.com/wcco/status/1265462350125113348?s=21
The language of the unheard.
Post by: IATA on May 26, 2020, 10:54:29 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 27, 2020, 01:48:51 AM
I find it weird how a dude that can basically sit on a guys neck for 10 minutes and kill him without batting an eye can pass a mental stability test, the dude was basically waving hello to all of America while killing another person.
I can't imagine what he would do if he had to wait in line 10 minutes at a grocery store, probably more douchey and violent than the asshat I had to deal with today.
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2020, 05:28:27 AM
https://www.twincities.com/2018/06/02/refugee-who-was-shamed-for-her-looks-as-a-child-is-vying-to-be-the-first-hmong-mrs-minnesota/Well I'll be paying close attention to find out if "my wife is Asian" is an effective legal defense.
https://www.startribune.com/man-found-in-river-is-identified-as-missing-hastings-45-year-old/19337564/
Interesting background, not sure what to make of the officer.
By the way, this was way too easy...
Post by: bojanglesman on May 27, 2020, 06:54:12 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 27, 2020, 07:11:06 AM
MB, you need to get things under control out there. Hop in the Camaro, head south and fix it.
I love Minneapolis, the retail therapy is 5 honks.
But.....
a) I sold the Camaro in 2014
b) border is closed
c) I'm lazy
Post by: bojanglesman on May 27, 2020, 07:21:50 AM
I love Minneapolis, the retail therapy is 5 honks.Just tell them you are coming here to chase away the Mexicans, just like the Constitution says you have the right to do. Border opens.
But.....
a) I sold the Camaro in 2014
b) border is closed
c) I'm lazy
Post by: MBGreen on May 27, 2020, 07:24:10 AM
Just tell them you are coming here to chase away the Mexicans, just like the Constitution says you have the right to do. Border opens.
I'm on good terms with the Mexicans. I appreciate their vacation spots in their home country, and nachos.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 27, 2020, 12:10:46 PM
Pretty powerful image
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2020, 12:22:42 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 27, 2020, 12:24:55 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 27, 2020, 12:56:35 PM
Post by: reuben on May 27, 2020, 12:59:32 PM
Looking at the tags, which one of you fucks banned DCM?
What'd he do? Checked his profile, he's been MIA for two weeks.
Post by: Johnny English on May 27, 2020, 01:02:08 PM
What'd he do? Checked his profile, he's been MIA for two weeks.
He was working in an ER or an ICU so my guess is that either he's finally convinced one of the nurses to pop his cherry and spent the last two weeks on the nest, or he's got covid.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 27, 2020, 01:05:11 PM
What'd he do? Checked his profile, he's been MIA for two weeks.
When he's not around there's no one to rally the troops here.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 27, 2020, 01:59:34 PM
“Frey says he can't comprehend how anyone could come to any other conclusion after seeing the video.”
Post by: Johnny English on May 27, 2020, 02:09:06 PM
https://www.startribune.com/amid-attention-and-controversy-minneapolis-police-union-head-has-no-regrets/564290012/
I don't subscribe to lazy and counterproductive ACAB thinking, but if there's enough smoke then sooner or later you have to start thinking about where the fire is.
Post by: insanity on May 27, 2020, 06:09:55 PM
He was working in an ER or an ICU so my guess is that either he's finally convinced one of the nurses to pop his cherry and spent the last two weeks on the nest, or he's got covid.That explains why no one has mentioned the salary cap in two weeks
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 27, 2020, 09:13:04 PM
https://twitter.com/kscullinfox9/status/1265779483530887168?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 27, 2020, 09:22:23 PM
Yikes
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1265819937580482561?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 27, 2020, 09:58:18 PM
Jesus
Post by: IATA on May 27, 2020, 11:37:51 PM
anyways freak the police
Post by: insanity on May 27, 2020, 11:44:38 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 28, 2020, 12:12:16 AM
https://twitter.com/blacklibertari2/status/1265646779577622530?s=21
Jesus
not that it takes away from what happens in the video, but i think this video happened/occurred before the events in minnesota occurred. i remember seeing it like a week or two ago, i want to say this took place in new jersey but im not sure
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2020, 07:42:15 AM
This is fine
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2020, 07:44:23 AM
Ok now I’ve seen it all
Post by: MBGreen on May 28, 2020, 07:59:08 AM
https://twitter.com/___0hour1/status/1265853069436137472?s=21
Ok now I’ve seen it all
This is terrible, but i can't stop laughing after she got sprayed by that fire extinguisher.
I'll proceed to Hell now.
Post by: Pope on May 28, 2020, 09:32:44 AM
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2020, 01:38:39 PM
This is why race relations will never improve. Bad thing happens, other side gets revenge, other other side hates them more now, add slacktivism.. rinse and repeat"If you think about it property damage is as bad as state sanctioned murder"
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 01:39:51 PM
"If you think about it property damage is as bad as state sanctioned murder"
Spraying that morbidly obese woman with a fire extinguisher was racist.
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On a side note, I'm willing to bet the only reason she was on that motorized scooter is because she a lazy, fat piece of excrement.
Post by: Pope on May 28, 2020, 01:50:31 PM
"If you think about it property damage is as bad as state sanctioned murder"How does looting a target achieve anything?
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 02:00:38 PM
Spraying that morbidly obese woman with a fire extinguisher was racist.
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On a side note, I'm willing to bet the only reason she was on that motorized scooter is because she a lazy, fat piece of excrement.
NVM.
My favorite part is that it looks like the one wielding the fire extinguisher is white
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2020, 02:32:45 PM
Wasn’t gonna post this one but it seems like wheelchair Kathy has some fans
Post by: Miamipuck on May 28, 2020, 02:44:04 PM
How does looting a target achieve anything?
If you think about murder is a great excuse to go looting, everyone should do it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2020, 02:48:44 PM
Yikes
I saw yesterday this guy tried to get food delivered to his house 3 times and the mob either blocked the car or told them who they were delivering to and they turned around
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2020, 02:56:35 PM
How does looting a target achieve anything?It achieves more than the person asking that question 100% of the time
Post by: mj2sexay on May 28, 2020, 03:09:10 PM
It achieves more than the person asking that question 100% of the time
I'd call it a wash.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 03:10:35 PM
This was not Chauvin's first offense.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2020, 03:13:47 PM
Seems like this is gonna keep getting uglier
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2020, 03:15:44 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/gs95ms/the_pigs_in_blue_dont_care_about_you_you_doubt/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share (https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/gs95ms/the_pigs_in_blue_dont_care_about_you_you_doubt/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
This was not Chauvin's first offense.
https://news.yahoo.com/amy-klobuchar-declined-prosecute-officer-183728902.html
Thanks Blue Maga!
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 03:16:56 PM
https://twitter.com/thequeercrimer/status/1266061800841318406?s=21
Seems like this is gonna keep getting uglier
Ferguson, MO got pretty chaotic. I'd expect something similar here.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 03:17:54 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/amy-klobuchar-declined-prosecute-officer-183728902.html
Thanks Blue Maga!
Biden would immediately lose the black vote if he picks her as VP.
Post by: Pope on May 28, 2020, 03:17:54 PM
It achieves more than the person asking that question 100% of the timeYes, because the people that perform racist acts will view an angry mob of looters at a target more favorably than someone asking a question about the motive of looting a retail store.
Its just taking advantage of someone’s life at this point. They hated cops before, got riled up and hate them even more now, but decided to go and break excrement and rob stores with the homies. They should thank the dead guys family for their new 65” 4K TV.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 03:26:40 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2020, 03:36:35 PM
I'm going to blame the cop that killed George Floyd.
That cop is a scumbag, so lets take it out on people within our local community that were lucky enough to rely on that Target for a job when unemployment is at a historic high
I couldn’t care less about the corporate losses. That building (among many others) was burned to the ground and now people are out of work indefinitely
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 03:38:12 PM
That cop is a scumbag, so lets take it out on people within our local community that were lucky enough to rely on that Target for a job when unemployment is at a historic high
The anger and frustration has to go somewhere. Probably wouldn't be spewing out right now if a cop didn't kneel on a guy's throat for 9 minutes until he died.
This wasn't going to end well for a lot of people. Hopefully target employees being out of a job and a few abandoned buildings being on fire are the worst of it but I think we all know the situation is going to get worse.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 03:38:26 PM
They hated cops before, got riled up and hate them even more now
Because it doesn't stop
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2020, 03:42:35 PM
The anger and frustration has to go somewhere. Probably wouldn't be spewing out right now if a cop didn't kneel on a guy's throat for 9 minutes until he died.
This wasn't going to end well for a lot of people. Hopefully target employees being out of a job and a few abandoned buildings being on fire are the worst of it but I think we all know the situation is going to get worse.
What is achieved though? Race relations/police brutality are either the same or worse than when Ferguson happened. I get why it’s happening, but I don’t get the argument that it’s productive.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 03:43:36 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 03:44:21 PM
What is achieved though? Race relations are either the same or worse than when Ferguson happened. I get why it’s happening, but I don’t get the argument that it’s productive.
No justice, no peace
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 03:44:58 PM
An eye for an eye
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 03:48:05 PM
What is achieved though? Race relations are either the same or worse than when Ferguson happened. I get why it’s happening, but I don’t get the argument that it’s productive.
Federal involvement in the investigation. That's the result it is getting.
Race relations are still bad because cops keep killing unarmed black people. I'd like to think that this kind of reaction would help show local and state cops that killing unarmed black people will no longer be tolerated by the community at large and that they need to make some serious reforms both in their official training and the personnel on the force but that probably won't happen.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 03:50:12 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2020, 03:51:32 PM
No justice, no peace
The cop should be charged with murder and the other 3 should be hit with appropriate charges too. I have no idea if that would have satisfied the thirst of the mob or not.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2020, 03:53:02 PM
Federal involvement in the investigation. That's the result it is getting.
Race relations are still bad because cops keep killing unarmed black people. I'd like to think that this kind of reaction would help show local and state cops that killing unarmed black people will no longer be tolerated by the community at large and that they need to make some serious reforms both in their official training and the personnel on the force but that probably won't happen.
Not sure on the timeline but I think the feds were involved before yesterday.
That sounds exactly like what we said the last time this thread was a prevalent discussion. It doesn’t seem like anything changed.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 28, 2020, 03:53:56 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2020, 03:55:28 PM
Have they taken them into custody yet?
https://twitter.com/theelovelylaya/status/1265899290825818112?s=21
Yikes
I saw yesterday this guy tried to get food delivered to his house 3 times and the mob either blocked the car or told them who they were delivering to and they turned around
This is certainly exacerbating things
Post by: Johnny English on May 28, 2020, 03:57:21 PM
The stance that the president of the University of Minnesota took is incredible.
Her statement in full:
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Dear students, faculty, and staff,
Our hearts are broken after watching the appalling video capturing the actions of Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) officers against George Floyd leading to his tragic death. As a community, we are outraged and grief-stricken. I do not have the words to fully express my pain and anger and I know that many in our community share those feelings, but also fear for their own safety. This will not stand.
Today I am announcing two immediate changes regarding our relationship with MPD.
First, I have directed Senior Vice President Brian Burnett to no longer contract with the Minneapolis Police Department for additional law enforcement support needed for large events, such as football games, concerts, and ceremonies.
Second, I have directed University Police Chief Matt Clark to no longer use the Minneapolis Police Department when specialized services are needed for University events, such as K-9 Explosive detection units.
We have a responsibility to uphold our values and a duty to honor them. We will limit our collaboration with the MPD to joint patrols and investigations that directly enhance the safety of our community or that allow us to investigate and apprehend those who put our students, faculty, and staff at risk.
I write to you to express our overwhelming sadness, and our demands for accountability and justice. Our campuses and facilities are a part of the communities in which they reside. University students, staff, and faculty are day-to-day participants in the life of every community in this state, and we must act when our neighbors are harmed and in pain.
My heart is heavy and my thoughts are with the loved ones and friends of George Floyd.
Let our voices be heard and please take care,
Joan Gabel
In other words, no more paid duty. Which is a fine and principled stance, but I hope for her sake that it leads to others putting pressure on Minneapolis PD to seriously address the reform that seems like it's needed, and not just cause the PD to be as difficult as possible in the approval of event permits and so on that a university needs.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 04:00:33 PM
Have they taken them into custody yet?
They should honestly leave the cop at his house until he exhausts all of his funds on Uber Eats. The protesters can and should continue to block all of his food deliveries...except for one.
The FBI should send in a pistol inside of a Wendy's bag via Uber Eats. Inside the bag, there will be a note indicating that there is one bullet that he can use to take his own life.
When this piece of a racist excrement Trumper finally hits rock bottom after drooling over the thought of devouring a Baconator and some spicy chicken nuggets, he will pull the trigger.
However, the gun is not loaded...
A hologram of George Floyd eating his Baconator will appear prompting him to run outside, only to be immediately beaten to death by protesters.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 04:02:24 PM
Not sure on the timeline but I think the feds were involved before yesterday.
That sounds exactly like what we said the last time this thread was a prevalent discussion. It doesn’t seem like anything changed.
Institutional racism isn't going to be uprooted in a decade. Especially when the racists aren't afraid to show up in public or openly discuss a second civil war (in case you were wondering about all of the Hawaiian shirts). (https://twitter.com/reecejhawaii/status/1265760646664122369?s=19)
Minneapolis probably won't be the last time we see this until excrement gets rooted out from police precincts.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 04:07:40 PM
The stance that the president of the University of Minnesota took is incredible.
Her statement in full:
In other words, no more paid duty. Which is a fine and principled stance, but I hope for her sake that it leads to others putting pressure on Minneapolis PD to seriously address the reform that seems like it's needed, and not just cause the PD to be as difficult as possible in the approval of event permits and so on that a university needs.
This is amazing. Hopefully other institutions follow along.
Although, I'm wondering where those services are going to come from. I can see a lot of cops deciding to pull off-duty jobs at the security firms they wind up contracting out to.
Post by: Johnny English on May 28, 2020, 04:10:38 PM
This is amazing. Hopefully other institutions follow along.
Although, I'm wondering where those services are going to come from. I can see a lot of cops deciding to pull off-duty jobs at the security firms they wind up contracting out to.
Yes, but I think that the intent is not so much to punish the individual cops as to force the department to take this seriously. Paid duty is a big revenue stream for a lot of police departments, if they lose that to private security then they become more dependent upon municipal funding, and the more that happens the more control the government has over them. If there's one thing PDs hate it's oversight and reduced external funding leads to greater oversight, so if they want to retain their empire then they will have to get in line.
Post by: reuben on May 28, 2020, 04:12:24 PM
Institutional racism isn't going to be uprooted in a decade. Especially when the racists aren't afraid to show up in public or openly discuss a second civil war (in case you were wondering about all of the Hawaiian shirts). (https://twitter.com/reecejhawaii/status/1265760646664122369?s=19)
Minneapolis probably won't be the last time we see this until excrement gets rooted out from police precincts.
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The aloha prints are not just in shirts, but also in far right iconography, like this. What does the aloha spirit of the islands (along with igloos?) have to do with right wing militias? Read on... 2/13
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It all starts with 1984 film Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Wait, what? Don't worry, it will kind of make sense... 3/13
WHAT THE freak AM I READING
Post by: Johnny English on May 28, 2020, 04:19:18 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 04:40:45 PM
Yes, but I think that the intent is not so much to punish the individual cops as to force the department to take this seriously. Paid duty is a big revenue stream for a lot of police departments, if they lose that to private security then they become more dependent upon municipal funding, and the more that happens the more control the government has over them. If there's one thing PDs hate it's oversight and reduced external funding leads to greater oversight, so if they want to retain their empire then they will have to get in line.
OK. I did not realize that police departments could wholesale contract out their officers. This approach makes much more sense now.
Post by: reuben on May 28, 2020, 04:45:57 PM
Such a freaking weird cultural moment we're living in.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 04:46:36 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2020, 04:50:54 PM
Institutional racism isn't going to be uprooted in a decade. Especially when the racists aren't afraid to show up in public or openly discuss a second civil war (in case you were wondering about all of the Hawaiian shirts). (https://twitter.com/reecejhawaii/status/1265760646664122369?s=19)
Minneapolis probably won't be the last time we see this until excrement gets rooted out from police precincts.
Wtf. I have one of those shirts. Since when is Tommy Bahama racist
Did Always Sunny predict this?
Post by: Johnny English on May 28, 2020, 04:54:34 PM
OK. I did not realize that police departments could wholesale contract out their officers. This approach makes much more sense now.
It's possible that the US does things differently, at least in some states, but certainly here the only way to contract police officers for paid duty is via the department - they aren't allowed to use their uniforms, service equipment or authority for direct personal gain.
I remember a few years ago we were on a corporate event in Laguna Beach, basically an annual thing where they take a bunch of their top performers away with their spouses for a few days at a nice hotel, tell them how wonderful they and how important to the company they are, get them drunk a lot and then grind the excrement out of them for another 12 months. After a day of corporate gladhanding they had a big surprise lined up for us - they took us out to the parking lot and told us we were going to Disneyland for the evening.
Bear in mind it's the end of the working day and the roads are busy as freak, as the coaches start to pull away from the front of the hotel three cops on motorcycles in full gear with blue lights on go past us, block the traffic both ways outside the hotel and beckon us out. They did this all the way to the highway, stopping large lines of traffic multiple times all because some pointless global company making irrelevant technology had bribed the local PD to prioritise a bunch of drunk corporate wage slaves getting to freaking Disneyland over people trying to get home to make dinner, see their kids before they go to bed and basically do things that mattered.
Honestly one of the weirdest and most uncomfortable experiences I've had. Be in no doubt that our law enforcement services are for sale to anyone with the ability to pay for them.
Post by: reuben on May 28, 2020, 04:56:27 PM
Wtf. I have one of those shirts. Since when is Tommy Bahama racist
Did Always Sunny predict this?
Again, I'm not saying we wouldn't lose a few good eggs in the 4Chan Purge, but... net?
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/ChMy4X2DkiLTy/giphy.gif)
Post by: mj2sexay on May 28, 2020, 05:32:21 PM
They should honestly leave the cop at his house until he exhausts all of his funds on Uber Eats. The protesters can and should continue to block all of his food deliveries...except for one.
The FBI should send in a pistol inside of a Wendy's bag via Uber Eats. Inside the bag, there will be a note indicating that there is one bullet that he can use to take his own life.
When this piece of a racist excrement Trumper finally hits rock bottom after drooling over the thought of devouring a Baconator and some spicy chicken nuggets, he will pull the trigger.
However, the gun is not loaded...
A hologram of George Floyd eating his Baconator will appear prompting him to run outside, only to be immediately beaten to death by protesters.
...You do realize that picture was fake.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 05:38:07 PM
...You do realize that picture was fake.
freak you
But seriously, that dude voted for Trump
Post by: mj2sexay on May 28, 2020, 05:41:13 PM
freak you
But seriously, that dude voted for Trump
He very well probably did, but X voted for Y so therefore we can disparage Y when X commits a heinous act is mongoloid level thinking.
Again, I'm not saying we wouldn't lose a few good eggs in the 4Chan Purge, but... net?
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/ChMy4X2DkiLTy/giphy.gif)
You lefties and your purges.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 05:47:24 PM
He very well probably did
Back to my original thought: everyone that voted for Trump is a piece of excrement
And those MAGA kids still suck derriere
Post by: mj2sexay on May 28, 2020, 05:55:08 PM
Back to my original thought: everyone that voted for Trump is a piece of excrement
And those MAGA kids still suck derriere
You're trying just so hard, aren't you.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 05:58:24 PM
You're trying just so hard, aren't you.
Took me 10 seconds to respond to you.
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You literally sifted through a BlackLivesMatter thread to defend Donald Trump. It's like you have an alarm set.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 28, 2020, 06:01:05 PM
Took me 10 seconds to respond to you.
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You literally sifted through a BlackLivesMatter thread to defend Donald Trump. It's like you have an alarm set.
I didn't sift through excrement, the comment was right there, nor is a statement of fact a "defense" of Trump. Defense from what anyway?
Post by: Miamipuck on May 28, 2020, 07:12:47 PM
I can't believe after all the dickhead Police Officers I have come in contact over the last year or so I am going to do this but here goes:
98% of cops don't ever shoot their guns in the line of duty, in their entire careers ever. So who are you showing it's not acceptable to kill an unarmed civilian? The guy that killed the black guy with a knee? He was involved in several shootings, that should tell you all you need to know. Telling him anything would be a giant waste.
The real problem is the age old problem for all armed militia's, armies, and police forces, what do you do when you witness unacceptable behavior. The Asian officer should have pushed that dick off or the very least stopped it. That's the behavior you need to correct. Again that excrement is the worry of every army save for the Nazi's and the Gestapo.
The other problem is weeding out the guys like the knee guy, the guys that go looking for trouble. He has like 19 investigations against him, several for shooting his gun. If PO's in NYC hardly use their guns, why would a Minneapolis cop need to be involved in several officer involved shootings? If you fire your gun more than twice, there's probably better lines of work for you. You should be put on mandatory desk duty.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 07:24:34 PM
I didn't sift through excrement, the comment was right there, nor is a statement of fact a "defense" of Trump. Defense from what anyway?
THE PIC WAS A FAKE!
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2020, 07:46:07 PM
Yes, because the people that perform racist acts will view an angry mob of looters at a target more favorably than someone asking a question about the motive of looting a retail store.Will I see you at the candlelight vigil in memory of Target later?
Its just taking advantage of someone’s life at this point. They hated cops before, got riled up and hate them even more now, but decided to go and break excrement and rob stores with the homies. They should thank the dead guys family for their new 65” 4K TV.
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2020, 07:49:04 PM
(https://i.redd.it/5he0jupl9j151.jpg)The Yang shirt is such a nice little cherry on top of the incoherent ideology sundae
Such a freaking weird cultural moment we're living in.
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2020, 07:52:28 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 28, 2020, 07:56:11 PM
THE PIC WAS A FAKE!
It must suck always having the subject of your hormonal tantrums always be proven fake. I don't know why you get so angry considering it doesn't matter, like the intellectual mule you are, you're still not going to budge off your narrative.
That red hat has done a freaking number on you.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 07:59:27 PM
I can't believe after all the dickhead Police Officers I have come in contact over the last year or so I am going to do this but here goes:
98% of cops don't ever shoot their guns in the line of duty, in their entire careers ever. So who are you showing it's not acceptable to kill an unarmed civilian? The guy that killed the black guy with a knee? He was involved in several shootings, that should tell you all you need to know. Telling him anything would be a giant waste.
The real problem is the age old problem for all armed militia's, armies, and police forces, what do you do when you witness unacceptable behavior. The Asian officer should have pushed that dick off or the very least stopped it. That's the behavior you need to correct. Again that excrement is the worry of every army save for the Nazi's and the Gestapo.
The other problem is weeding out the guys like the knee guy, the guys that go looking for trouble. He has like 19 investigations against him, several for shooting his gun. If PO's in NYC hardly use their guns, why would a Minneapolis cop need to be involved in several officer involved shootings? If you fire your gun more than twice, there's probably better lines of work for you. You should be put on mandatory desk duty.
I’m with you that not every cop is a piece of excrement but if you witness excrement like this and let it happen you are just as bad as the one doing it. Chauvin’s partner should be charged as an accessory.
How many other cops were with him and on his 18 other investigations and didn’t do excrement about it? If you’re willing to stand there and watch your partner murder an unarmed civilian then you need to be educated that it is not OK for cops to murder unarmed civilians.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 28, 2020, 08:21:55 PM
Now we're getting somewhere (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200529/dd4607d0532d4afc626ae95c490cdc4d.jpg)Duh....
Post by: Pope on May 28, 2020, 08:22:01 PM
Will I see you at the candlelight vigil in memory of Target later?Maybe we can address the real issues at hand instead of kicking the can down the road and posting about how woke you are. Until the blacks unite to create a shift in their culture this will all continue until the end of time.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 08:49:57 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 28, 2020, 08:54:47 PM
It’s the “blacks’” fault
Can we call you Uncle Blackie?
(https://comb.io/h85NEw.gif)
Post by: Pope on May 28, 2020, 08:56:48 PM
It’s the “blacks’” faultNo it’s the cops fault but if black people think destroying and looting stores will fix things then we can continue to have this discussion until I’m dead
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 09:10:09 PM
No it’s the cops fault but if black people think destroying and looting stores will fix things then we can continue to have this discussion until I’m dead
Black people aren’t the only ones protesting
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 09:10:43 PM
Maybe we can address the real issues at hand instead of kicking the can down the road and posting about how woke you are. Until the blacks unite to create a shift in their culture this will all continue until the end of time.
Translation: It’s their fault that we kill them!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2020, 09:12:07 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 28, 2020, 09:19:03 PM
Translation: It’s their fault that we kill them!
Do you differentiate this situation from Ferguson? Because anyone who objectively knows the facts of what occurred based on the sworn testimony of that trial would tell you its pretty apparent Mike Brown was very culpable in his own death. That didn't stop Ferguson from going in flames.
Anyway, that's not at all what Pope was saying, but this is a subject that always invites strawmen.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 09:32:00 PM
Do you differentiate this situation from Ferguson? Because anyone who objectively knows the facts of what occurred based on the sworn testimony of that trial would tell you its pretty apparent Mike Brown was very culpable in his own death. That didn't stop Ferguson from going in flames.
Anyway, that's not at all what Pope was saying, but this is a subject that always invites strawmen.
OK, here goes:
1. There was no trial, Missiouri State courts convened a grand jury and decided not to indict and the federal investigation decided not to press charges. This isn’t a semantic difference so don’t even try. The cops getting the benefit of the doubt on killings is part of the core problem here that led to the riots in both Ferguson and Minnesota.
2. Looking at the riots in a vacuum is a deflection tactic that I have no freaking patience for.
3. I have even less patience for Pope and his racist schtick he’s been peddling on this board for years which is now blatantly just racism. I really don’t give a excrement about what he says.
Post by: Pope on May 28, 2020, 09:36:51 PM
OK, here goes:Yes I’m a huge racist
1. There was no trial, Missiouri State courts convened a grand jury and decided not to indict and the federal investigation decided not to press charges. This isn’t a semantic difference so don’t even try. The cops getting the benefit of the doubt on killings is part of the core problem here that led to the riots in both Ferguson and Minnesota.
2. Looking at the riots in a vacuum is a deflection tactic that I have no freaking patience for.
3. I have even less patience for Pope and his racist schtick he’s been peddling on this board for years which is now blatantly just racism. I really don’t give a excrement about what he says.
My whole life I’ve been a racist and I intend to continue to do racist things
Post by: Pope on May 28, 2020, 09:45:57 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 09:51:20 PM
This will be my last post here for a while. Good luck managing the website, maybe you can figure out how to do a simple website backup and upgrade of Tapatalk at some point. Half this piece of excrement site is broken anyway. Start a group text or a discord it’ll be easier
#triggered
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 10:09:55 PM
Meanwhile This happened in Denver:
https://twitter.com/bellers03/status/1266174838374313992?s=20 (https://twitter.com/bellers03/status/1266174838374313992?s=20)
Here’s the description of what happened right before filming began by the person who caught it:
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He jumped on the car when she accelerated towards him. He jumped off a second later and walked away. She took a hard right to purposely hit him
Post by: MBGreen on May 28, 2020, 10:14:11 PM
This will be my last post here for a while. Good luck managing the website, maybe you can figure out how to do a simple website backup and upgrade of Tapatalk at some point. Half this piece of excrement site is broken anyway. Start a group text or a discord it’ll be easierMaybe you’ll learn to grill food properly on your hiatus.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 28, 2020, 10:17:03 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 10:28:19 PM
cool another poster gone .....great job another year or two and we wont have any to worry about.
He said he’d be back.
The guy probably just has to chauffeur his grandma around town so they can restore the economy.
Post by: Jumbo on May 28, 2020, 10:30:54 PM
This will be my last post here for a while. Good luck managing the website, maybe you can figure out how to do a simple website backup and upgrade of Tapatalk at some point. Half this piece of excrement site is broken anyway. Start a group text or a discord it’ll be easier
leaving the board is racist against white people
Post by: IATA on May 28, 2020, 10:45:21 PM
https://twitter.com/ASB_Breaking/status/1266182888170631169
Helps turn into a riot when you've got police provocateurs....
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 10:45:23 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlyterrifying/comments/gskdsn/video_proof_that_the_protesters_didnt_start_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf (https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlyterrifying/comments/gskdsn/video_proof_that_the_protesters_didnt_start_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 28, 2020, 10:53:01 PM
Post by: IATA on May 28, 2020, 11:03:22 PM
Fire department is saying it's too dangerous to respond, so uhh I guess it's gonna burn?
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 11:09:44 PM
3rd precinct has been taken over by protesters and it's currently on fire
Fire department is saying it's too dangerous to respond, so uhh I guess it's gonna burn?
Hmmm...
Seems fitting. (https://youtu.be/PkGwI7nGehA)
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 28, 2020, 11:23:33 PM
Hmmm...I was going to post Bombtrack (burn, burn, yes ya gonna burn) or Calm Like a Bomb (let the riot be the rhyme of the unheard) but this Zach works too.
Seems fitting. (https://youtu.be/PkGwI7nGehA)
Meanwhile I'm playing this
https://youtu.be/M99nzyiS830
Post by: Miamipuck on May 28, 2020, 11:23:42 PM
how many "this will be my last post on this board for a while" posts have we gone through on this board over the last few years now? ~10 or more?
Too many and yeah some come back but many don't and we have lost some really cool people.
Pope has his schtick but he's one of us and it's just a schtick. I have my schtick. If you don't like it pm him or me. He comes to the tailgates and is a cool dude married to a black girl.
It's the same excrement with MJ.
A side note : Awhile back, I got nasty, personal nasty with DCM, I thought I did. I PM'd him and apologized. He did not mind, anyway the attacks here get too personal ands it's not cool.
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2020, 11:25:44 PM
Yes I’m a huge racist(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200529/dd0316336b94e0583a4889ea0ba3ebab.jpg)
My whole life I’ve been a racist and I intend to continue to do racist things
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2020, 11:26:49 PM
Too many and yeah some come back but many don't and we have lost some really cool people.Not sure what line got crossed with Pope - he was just getting excrement on for bad opinions.
Pope has his schtick but he's one of us and it's just a schtick. I have my schtick. If you don't like it pm him or me. He comes to the tailgates and is a cool dude married to a black girl.
It's the same excrement with MJ.
A side note : Awhile back, I got nasty, personal nasty with DCM, I thought I did. I PM'd him and apologized. He did not mind, anyway the attacks here get too personal ands it's not cool.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 11:34:28 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 29, 2020, 01:32:19 AM
Post by: reuben on May 29, 2020, 04:51:59 AM
Post by: reuben on May 29, 2020, 05:09:03 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 05:20:13 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 05:20:50 AM
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 06:31:20 AM
https://www.reddit.com/video/r60mt4jh6l151
https://twitter.com/ASB_Breaking/status/1266182888170631169
Helps turn into a riot when you've got police provocateurs....
Hey let's not jump to conclusions. Maybe he was trying to loot and riot, but it was his first time and he was just really passive about it
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2020, 06:37:57 AM
I thought Pope was black for the longest time.I'm the only black guy left now.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 06:44:36 AM
https://www.reddit.com/video/r60mt4jh6l151
https://twitter.com/ASB_Breaking/status/1266182888170631169
Helps turn into a riot when you've got police provocateurs....
Cops can’t riot now??
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 06:45:33 AM
Dorsey is just trolling him now
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 07:24:52 AM
Post by: reuben on May 29, 2020, 07:32:27 AM
So this is weird:
https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlyterrifying/comments/gskdsn/video_proof_that_the_protesters_didnt_start_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf (https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlyterrifying/comments/gskdsn/video_proof_that_the_protesters_didnt_start_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gsl79n/pink_pizza_dude_friends_with_umbrella_man_post/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gsl79n/pink_pizza_dude_friends_with_umbrella_man_post/)
The plot thickens.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 07:42:25 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gsl79n/pink_pizza_dude_friends_with_umbrella_man_post/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gsl79n/pink_pizza_dude_friends_with_umbrella_man_post/)
The plot thickens.
What if this isn’t about the riots, but the friends we made along the way?
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 29, 2020, 07:43:15 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gsl79n/pink_pizza_dude_friends_with_umbrella_man_post/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gsl79n/pink_pizza_dude_friends_with_umbrella_man_post/)
The plot thickens.
"Hey, this man's a police officer right here!"
Also wtf to s on that pizza box? It's clearly not pizza.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 29, 2020, 09:36:35 AM
Minneapolis: Resists violent government oppression
Right wing pundits and agitators: Wait, not like that!
Post by: Heismanberg on May 29, 2020, 09:51:34 AM
Right wing pundits and agitators: I'm allowed to be armed to resist violent government oppression!
Minneapolis: Resists violent government oppression
Right wing pundits and agitators: Wait, not like that!
Yeah man, we didn't see any riot patrols or tear gas when Mj's friends stormed Michigan's capitol building with semi-automatic rifles.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 29, 2020, 09:54:59 AM
(When my mom visited for Thanksgiving, she wanted to go to Magnolia Market in Waco. That is the whitest place that I have ever been.)
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 10:01:14 AM
HOW DARE YOU LOOT TARGET AND BREAK CHIP AND JOANNA'S DINNERWARE!
(When my mom visited for Thanksgiving, she wanted to go to Magnolia Market in Waco. That is the whitest place that I have ever been.)
to be fair...looting isn't justice. That's just throwing more gas on the fire (no pun intended)
also...those pricks that stormed the Michigan capitol building shouldve been locked up too.
Not only does Trump/Pence need to be removed from office...it needs to happen before the rest of your country burns to the ground.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 29, 2020, 10:04:52 AM
to be fair...looting isn't justice.
No justice, no peace
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 10:07:49 AM
No justice, no peace
the innocent shouldn't suffer for that. That applies to white, brown, black, purple, green...all the colors of the human rainbow.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:17:19 AM
Not sure what line got crossed with Pope - he was just getting excrement on for bad opinions.
He got called racist for sharing a wholly reasonable and uncontroversial opinion.
But again, since this place is the football equivalent of r/pol, he must be ostracized, demonized and castigated until he leaves.
Of course, wishing death on people who voted a certain way is perfectly acceptable though.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 29, 2020, 10:18:06 AM
I'm the only black guy left now.
america's only black vet. and we have him posting here on this board
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 10:18:34 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 29, 2020, 10:19:19 AM
He got called racist for sharing a wholly reasonable and uncontroversial opinion.
No, he got called a racist because he's a racist.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:20:24 AM
Right wing pundits and agitators: I'm allowed to be armed to resist violent government oppression!
Minneapolis: Resists violent government oppression
Right wing pundits and agitators: Wait, not like that!
Ok, lets compare the damage done from each protest when its all over, shall we?
No justice, no peace
This is the stuff of edgy high schoolers who just read Hunter S. Thompson for the first time.
Yeah man, we didn't see any riot patrols or tear gas when Mj's friends stormed Michigan's capitol building with semi-automatic rifles.
Were they looting? Rioting? Acting in a violent manner?
Of course why get into these factors if you're a fat delusional retard who's so easily warped that they won't even believe what's easily verifiable on tape.
No, he got called a racist because he's a racist.
No, you're just a stupid queynte.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 29, 2020, 10:22:30 AM
Were they looting? Rioting? Acting in a violent manner?
They had machine guns
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 10:22:56 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367221/Prosecutors-warn-evidence-does-not-support-criminal-charge-George-Floyds-killing.html
Are they seriously setting up to not charge this guy?
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:24:46 AM
They had machine guns
WERE THEY LOOTING, RIOTING OR ACTING IN A VIOLENT MANNER.
I know you're dumb as freak, but just answer the freaking question.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 29, 2020, 10:27:57 AM
WERE THEY LOOTING, RIOTING OR ACTING IN A VIOLENT MANNER.
I know you're dumb as freak, but just answer the freaking question.
They had machine guns, which is a violent threat.
Post by: reuben on May 29, 2020, 10:29:05 AM
u fukin wot m8?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367221/Prosecutors-warn-evidence-does-not-support-criminal-charge-George-Floyds-killing.html
Are they seriously setting up to not charge this guy?
Quote
'We can't rush justice as justice cant be rushed.'
so deep
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 29, 2020, 10:30:28 AM
Maybe we can address the real issues at hand instead of kicking the can down the road and posting about how woke you are. Until the blacks unite to create a shift in their culture this will all continue until the end of time.
before pope left this was the post i was kind of confused about and would have liked him to explain a bit more. i will admit sometimes i skim through pages/posts as i may be strapped for time so i'm not sure if i'm just missing something
somebody please correct me if i am horribly misunderstanding this post, but i took it as meaning that the present rioting and looting, which is in response to the unjust murder of george floyd, will be the cause of and justification for future unjust murders that american blacks face at the hands of the cops/those in power
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 10:31:04 AM
They had machine guns, which is a violent threat.
Nothing more than an enthusiastic sharing of views, no threat or violence implied at all.
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Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:32:33 AM
They had machine guns, which is a violent threat.
Christ, you really a freaking hoo-ha. Just exactly the type that would constantly make fun of someone in middle school only to run to the teachr the second they got it back. You can't sufficiently answer the question because you know the answer. They weren't violent, they weren't looting, they weren't rioting. Different outcome for different situation. I do enjoy the same folks who believe in protest when it conveniently lines up with their beliefs wishing death on those folks though, no hypocrisy or blatant motherfuckery there.
Anyway, tell this guy to his face "no justice no peace" as he loses his freaking business i.e. livelihood through no fault of his own.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/scores-bar-mpls-riot-rebuild?fbclid=IwAR1fxNjpSOoS9s_HKBvC0PPnAK35n0NcB-TXYE1hj155r04L1Th3kw8Vi_I
Post by: reuben on May 29, 2020, 10:32:34 AM
Nothing more than an enthusiastic sharing of views, no threat or violence implied at all.
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Yeah but those laws are OK to violate.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 29, 2020, 10:32:38 AM
somebody please correct me if i am horribly misunderstanding this post
You're not.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:33:50 AM
Nothing more than an enthusiastic sharing of views, no threat or violence implied at all.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/DE67/production/_112053965_gettyimages-1211398264.jpg)
(https://www.clickondetroit.com/resizer/AeErkgeOGSpR7BFESh4oUQTmw-Q=/1600x1067/smart/filters:format(jpeg):strip_exif(true):strip_icc(true):no_upscale(true):quality(65)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gmg/PBN5KBGYHNFODOYUKXNJV44JV4.jpg)
Interestingly enough the photo of the person above is one of a Sanders supporter. He was lied about and slandered by our trusty free-press before the truth came out.
Interesting how in NOT ONE of those photos is a fire, a broken window, looting, etc. It's almost like when you organize and mobilize effectively and peacefully (utilizing your 2nd amendment rights simultaneously) the outcome is a lot different!
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:34:34 AM
Yeah but those laws are OK to violate.
Yeah, concealed carried laws being symbolically violated as a 'freak you" versus what's going on in Minnesota, it's totally the same!
Post by: Heismanberg on May 29, 2020, 10:34:39 AM
They weren't violent
ok
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 10:35:19 AM
They had machine guns, which is a violent threat.
this
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:36:24 AM
this
Lmao so now the carrying of a gun is scene as an act of violence. FFS.
Post by: reuben on May 29, 2020, 10:37:02 AM
Yeah, concealed carried laws being symbolically violated as a 'freak you" versus what's going on in Minnesota, it's totally the same!
"symbolically violated"
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 10:37:04 AM
Yeah, concealed carried laws being symbolically violated
What do you think would happen if a black person symbolically violated concealed carry?
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 10:37:29 AM
Interestingly enough the photo of the person above is one of a Sanders supporter. He was lied about and slandered by our trusty free-press before the truth came out.
Interesting how in NOT ONE of those photos is a fire, a broken window, looting, etc. It's almost like when you organize and mobilize effectively and peacefully (utilizing your 2nd amendment rights simultaneously) the outcome is a lot different!
I can only conjecture, but it is my belief that a bunch of armed black men carrying military hardware as they protest peacefully would have been treated rather differently. I'm not ever going to defend looting per se, but I find it difficult to see what action the black community could take in order to be taken seriously.
The last time they tried high profile peaceful protest and awareness campaigning they got told that they were disrespecting soldiers and then got systematically frozen out of their jobs. Let me ask you, how do you propose the black community effects change to the system?
Post by: Heismanberg on May 29, 2020, 10:37:30 AM
Interestingly enough the photo of the person above is one of a Sanders supporter.
Who cares?
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:39:37 AM
Who cares?
I thought they were "my friends?" You don't get it, I will smack down every shitty freaking narrative you want to throw out because it is uncanny how you're never on the mark but somehow think you are.
I mean, you're right I guess. Unlike you I'm capable of cultivating and maintaining friendships with peoples who's politics I don't understand because I'm not a raging lady garden.
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 10:41:10 AM
Yeah, concealed carried laws being symbolically violated as a 'freak you" versus what's going on in Minnesota, it's totally the same!
With all the shootings over the last 20 years that have transpired in your country, how could anyone dismiss some fucktards showing up to a govt building armed with assault rifles....and think that's ok. I don't give a excrement if a shot wasn't fired, it's still a freaking threat on life.
And like i said...i don't agree with the riots or looting either, because innocent people get dragged into that crossfire....but one situation isn't better than the other. Give your head a shake.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 29, 2020, 10:42:05 AM
You don't get it, I will smack down every shitty freaking narrative you want to throw out because it is uncanny how you're never on the mark but somehow think you are.
You are still trying to justify their actions.
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 10:42:44 AM
Lmao so now the carrying of a gun is scene as an act of violence. FFS.
In our country, those assault rifles are banned. So yes, if you're caught carrying one in public....you're going to jail.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:44:24 AM
You are still trying to justify their actions.
Who's actions? A bunch of peaceful protesters who's only actions were openly carrying? How the freak can you justify rioting as a form of protest but not peacefully carrying?
Just want to point out I just got a PM because "I need to chill out"
Apparently calling me racist, wishing death on me and my family by CORONA and whatever the freak else is ok, but a certain fat retard doesn;t like it when I call him a queynte. So fine. Ban me. You already tried to run me off and it didn't work.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:44:53 AM
In our country, those assault rifles are banned. So yes, if you're caught carrying one in public....you're going to jail.
Ok, in our country they aren't. We're allowed to have our own rules, thanks.
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 10:47:40 AM
Ok, in our country they aren't. We're allowed to have our own rules, thanks.
And that's why your "own rules" lead the world in deaths attributed to gun violence. Be proud.
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 10:48:35 AM
Who's actions? A bunch of peaceful protesters who's only actions were openly carrying? How the freak can you justify rioting as a form of protest but not peacefully carrying?
Just want to point out I just got a PM because "I need to chill out"
Apparently calling me racist, wishing death on me and my family by CORONA and whatever the freak else is ok, but a certain fat retard doesn;t like it when I call him a queynte. So fine. Ban me. You already tried to run me off and it didn't work.
Hold on let me go buy an M4 and peacefully walk into your house so you can tell me how safe you feel.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:49:28 AM
Hold on let me go buy an M4 and peacefully walk into your house so you can tell me how safe you feel.
Hold on let me "peacefully protest' by setting your house or business on fire, you can tell me how you feel.
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 10:49:40 AM
Who's actions? A bunch of peaceful protesters who's only actions were openly carrying? How the freak can you justify rioting as a form of protest but not peacefully carrying?
Just want to point out I just got a PM because "I need to chill out"
Apparently calling me racist, wishing death on me and my family by CORONA and whatever the freak else is ok, but a certain fat retard doesn;t like it when I call him a queynte. So fine. Ban me. You already tried to run me off and it didn't work.
I think you need to settle down....everyone else as well.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:50:23 AM
And that's why your "own rules" lead the world in deaths attributed to gun violence. Be proud.
We're gonna do this now?
I'm not even going to bother pointing out what I find shitty in terms of governance regarding Canada because it's not my nation. You guys do you.
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 10:50:54 AM
I think you need to settle down....everyone else as well.JACKASS. ILL KILL YOU
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:51:15 AM
What do you think would happen if a black person symbolically violated concealed carry?
...You do realize black people were apart of that protest.
I know the media would have you believe differently, or that they're traitors to their race or some other excrement.
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 10:51:53 AM
We're gonna do this now?Is it their subhuman treatment of first nations people?
I'm not even going to bother pointing out what I find shitty in terms of governance regarding Canada because it's not my nation. You guys do you.
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 10:52:38 AM
We're gonna do this now?
I'm not even going to bother pointing out what I find shitty in terms of governance regarding Canada because it's not my nation. You guys do you.
translation: I know MB is right.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 29, 2020, 10:53:28 AM
Black people looting is justice, no it's black people looting and destroying their own neighborhoods.
White people storming the state capital armed to the teeth is ok because they're not shooting or burning things. No it's not, it's a huge threat in and of itself and is just as bad as black people burning and looting. There's no nuance storming government buildings like that.
Calling on the death because people voted for Trump, it's just as stupid and no different at all, from saying racist excrement.
Do I need to name names of every idiotic post made by posters here. Everyone is guilty of saying bullshit to get a rise and I am no different. But lets call a spade a spade, no pun intended.
Edit: I took out the antisemitic part as Badger was being sarcastic and i missed it.
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 10:54:40 AM
Is it their subhuman treatment of first nations people?
subhuman is putting it gently. The atrocities over the last 120 years aren't pretty.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:55:42 AM
I think you need to settle down....everyone else as well.
MB why is it I've been able to not once break down into a "freak you, freak you" with Badger, Alio (for the most part), JE etc when it comes to politics? Could it be because it doesn't get taken to a personal level where my freaking parents are called racist or I'm having death by COVID wished upon me and my whole freaking family?
I'm sorry but I am NOT going to respond well to the same person who has hung all over my rooster in terms of my politics in every other thread, constantly referencing it, constantly calling me a racist then turning around and telling me to chill out in a bullshit pathetic play because they have mod powers.
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 10:57:47 AM
I am going to say this only once, this is some of the excrement posting, abjectly moronic posts I have seen here:
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The rise in anti semitism is just criticism of Israel and only counts since 1948 - Yeah because it's totally safe to be Jewish in any countries other than Israel, Canada and the US. To be clear criticizing Israel, which is perfectly acceptable, is totally different than the rise in antisemitism which is getting to be appalling.
Black people looting is justice, no it's black people looting and destroying their own neighborhoods.
White people storming the state capital armed to the teeth is ok because they're not shooting or burning things. No it's not, it's a huge threat in and of itself and is just as bad as black people burning and looting. There's no nuance storming government buildings like that.
Calling on the death because people voted for Trump, it's just as stupid and no different at all, from saying racist excrement.
Do I need to name names of every idiotic post made by posters here. Everyone is guilty of saying bullshit to get a rise and I am no different. But lets call a spade a spade, no pun intended.
This is correct.
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 10:58:49 AM
MB why is it I've been able to not once break down into a "freak you, freak you" with Badger, Alio (for the most part), JE etc when it comes to politics?
I think it's because deep down you know we're right but you're afraid to come out of the Republican closet and be a fierce lefty butterfly. It's OK mj, this is a safe space.
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 10:58:54 AM
Hold on let me "peacefully protest' by setting your house or business on fire, you can tell me how you feel.Again unable to show any deference.
No one in this conversation, other than H (which no one has supported, myself included) has recommended that people should set homes and businesses on fire. There has been open debates as to whether its productive with most people trying to be empathetic towards action. That isn't the same as defending or promoting the action.
Contrarily you're out here trying to make an argument that carrying rifles into government buildings is somehow non-threatening and peaceful. It isn't.
Post by: reuben on May 29, 2020, 10:59:55 AM
The rise in anti semitism is just criticism of Israel and only counts since 1948
I thought that was sarcasm. SHAME ON YOU BADGER
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 11:01:41 AM
MB why is it I've been able to not once break down into a "freak you, freak you" with Badger, Alio (for the most part), JE etc when it comes to politics? Could it be because it doesn't get taken to a personal level where my freaking parents are called racist or I'm having death by COVID wished upon me and my whole freaking family?
I'm sorry but I am NOT going to respond well to the same person who has hung all over my rooster in terms of my politics in every other thread, constantly referencing it, constantly calling me a racist then turning around and telling me to chill out in a bullshit pathetic play because they have mod powers.
FTR, i'm not a fan of your politics....but you're right about your treatment here. Having said that, you have dished it out on more than one occasion as well...you're no angel either.
The personal attacks need to stop from both sides of the yard.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 29, 2020, 11:02:30 AM
I thought that was sarcasm. SHAME ON YOU BADGER
If it was sarcasm than I missed it, it's getting difficult to tell right now, and I sincerely apologize and I will edit my post accordingly.
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 11:02:38 AM
Again unable to show any deference.Also, were all cunts and idiots for disagreeing.
No one in this conversation, other than H (which no one has supported, myself included) has recommended that people should set homes and businesses on fire. There has been open debates as to whether its productive with most people trying to be empathetic towards action. That isn't the same as defending or promoting the action.
Contrarily you're out here trying to make an argument that carrying rifles into government buildings is somehow non-threatening and peaceful. It isn't.
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
I am going to say this only once, these are some of the bullshit, abjectly moronic posts I have seen here:Appreciate this post.
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The rise in anti semitism is just criticism of Israel and only counts since 1948 - Yeah because it's totally safe to be Jewish in any countries other than Israel, Canada and the US. To be clear criticizing Israel, which is perfectly acceptable, is totally different than the rise in antisemitism which is getting to be appalling.
Black people looting is justice, no it's black people looting and destroying their own neighborhoods.
White people storming the state capital armed to the teeth is ok because they're not shooting or burning things. No it's not, it's a huge threat in and of itself and is just as bad as black people burning and looting. There's no nuance storming government buildings like that.
Calling on the death because people voted for Trump, it's just as stupid and no different at all, from saying racist excrement.
Do I need to name names of every idiotic post made by posters here. Everyone is guilty of saying bullshit to get a rise and I am no different. But lets call a spade a spade, no pun intended.
Remind me that I owe you a drink at the next tailgate.
Post by: reuben on May 29, 2020, 11:06:37 AM
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Post by: CatoTheElder on May 29, 2020, 11:10:04 AM
Ok, lets compare the damage done from each protest when its all over, shall we?
This is the stuff of edgy high schoolers who just read Hunter S. Thompson for the first time.
I’m not referring to the Michigan State House invasion by right wing demonstrators.
This is the rhetoric from every private militia, from every sovereign citizen poopchute, from every isolationist anti-government crackpot.
Stop trying to argue this in isolation. See the bigger picture.
Can we at least agree right now that since we’re arguing on the internet we both already know that we’re not going to change each others’ minds.
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 11:12:32 AM
Everybody needs to chill out and look at this white woman's big black haircock, it'll solve racism.That's a dude, Reuben
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Post by: reuben on May 29, 2020, 11:18:37 AM
That's a dude, Reuben
Well then we've solved racism and sexism, two for one.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2020, 11:18:52 AM
Appreciate this post.He likes Zima and appetizers.
Remind me that I owe you a drink at the next tailgate.
Sent from my SM-G970U1 using Tapatalk
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 11:19:37 AM
I thought that was sarcasm. SHAME ON YOU BADGERPretty sure I don't need to explain this one
Post by: Miamipuck on May 29, 2020, 11:21:39 AM
Pretty sure I don't need to explain this one
I should have asked when I saw it. Lately, I honestly just take things for how they are here. I am sorry and will edit it out.
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 11:23:07 AM
I should have asked when I saw it. I honestly just take things for how they are here. I am sorry and will edit it out.No worries I will drop a turd opinion worthy of scorn soon enough
Post by: Miamipuck on May 29, 2020, 11:25:48 AM
No worries I will drop a turd opinion worthy of scorn soon enough
Lets get back to calling each other faggots.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 29, 2020, 11:26:18 AM
He likes Zima and appetizers.
Sent from my SM-G970U1 using Tapatalk
Don't forget wine coolers and cider.
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 11:26:26 AM
Everybody needs to chill out and look at this white woman's big black haircock, it'll solve racism.
(https://preview.redd.it/i5jgf4jcdp151.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b41975638630aac5f8260cc5c7458ed6c0b4fe12)
I think you've found Puck's new avatar
Post by: Miamipuck on May 29, 2020, 11:26:51 AM
Appreciate this post.
Remind me that I owe you a drink at the next tailgate.
Noted! and Thank you
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 11:27:07 AM
I think you've found Pope's new avatar
Post by: Miamipuck on May 29, 2020, 11:28:20 AM
I think you've found Puck's new avatar
There's no need to gay up this place with that avatar, my current avatar screams good ole USA baby.
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 11:29:00 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 11:29:29 AM
I hope pope comes back...solid poster.
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 11:29:34 AM
big blocker probly thinks this dude is a total babeMove over Cloris Leachman, there's a new girl in town
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 11:30:00 AM
big blocker probly thinks this dude is a total babe
his/her hair isn't grey enough
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 11:31:15 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 29, 2020, 11:31:27 AM
Post by: reuben on May 29, 2020, 11:31:57 AM
Was Blocker the dude with the Diana Rigg avatar?
The handsome lady enthusiast
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 11:32:02 AM
Was Blocker the dude with the Diana Rigg avatar?
yes.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2020, 11:32:16 AM
Was Blocker the dude with the Diana Rigg avatar?He dreamed of an orgy with the Golden Girls.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 29, 2020, 11:33:05 AM
He dreamed of an orgy with the Golden Girls.
The sick part, he still does.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 29, 2020, 11:34:10 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 11:35:04 AM
He dreamed of an orgy with the Golden Girls.
should i change the thread title to #GILFtittiesMatter
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 11:35:32 AM
He dreamed of an orgy with the Golden Girls.
Who wouldn't bang Rue McLanahan?
Post by: reuben on May 29, 2020, 11:36:10 AM
Who wouldn't bang Rue McLanahan?
Too desperate. Getty for me.
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 11:36:38 AM
Too desperate. Getty for me.
Stop
or my mom will shoot?
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 11:37:32 AM
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 11:37:36 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2020, 11:40:21 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 29, 2020, 11:41:19 AM
u fukin wot m8?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367221/Prosecutors-warn-evidence-does-not-support-criminal-charge-George-Floyds-killing.html
Are they seriously setting up to not charge this guy?
I want to believe he’s just covering his derriere but it’s really difficult for me to have faith in a system that let Chauvin remain on the force without any disciplinary action being taken against him despite 19 other incidents of shootings and excessive force.
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 11:44:21 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 29, 2020, 11:48:24 AM
Has anyone else noticed Chauvin is DeBlasio's evil twin?
You're saying DiBlasio is inherently good?
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 11:54:58 AM
You're saying DiBlasio is inherently good?No, but he's meh enough to leave room for an evil twin
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 12:17:38 PM
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10223459578180246&id=1311813230&sfnsn=mo
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 12:25:48 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 29, 2020, 12:27:37 PM
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 12:36:54 PM
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 12:40:15 PM
seems like theyre just placating the masses until they arrest and announce the charges for all 4 of the murderers.Patience.
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 12:44:24 PM
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 12:46:26 PM
clearly we have nonewe all want justice, but lets not throw out protocols because of emotions. Last thing we need is angry racist cops.
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 12:48:25 PM
we all want justice, but lets not throw out protocols because of emotions. Last thing we need is angry racist cops.
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Post by: CatoTheElder on May 29, 2020, 01:01:53 PM
we all want justice, but lets not throw out protocols because of emotions. Last thing we need is angry racist cops.
We already have that.
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 01:04:16 PM
@ziwe
·
3h
can’t believe corona blew a 28-3 lead to racism
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 01:14:23 PM
No, but he's meh enough to leave room for an evil twin
He strikes me as the type that would eat his twin in utero.
DiBlasio eats the sun and drinks the sky and they both go with him when he dies.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 29, 2020, 03:25:07 PM
ziweAlways bet on racism
@ziwe
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3h
can’t believe corona blew a 28-3 lead to racism
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 04:42:40 PM
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195
seems like theyre gonna get off easy. looking forward to riots 2.0 when they get time served
Post by: Jumbo on May 29, 2020, 04:57:46 PM
3rd degree murder and manslaughter
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195
seems like theyre gonna get off easy. looking forward to riots 2.0 when they get time served
1st and 2nd degree murder are prob way too stringent to charge, have fun proving intent to a whole jury
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 04:59:01 PM
Post by: reuben on May 29, 2020, 05:16:11 PM
without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life
...is an exact description of what happened, IMO.
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 05:36:21 PM
I don't know if the other three cops present could be charged with same - to my lay mind "perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others" sounds like it would require active involvement, and from the video evidence I've seen a lawyer might perhaps be able to argue that they were focused on ensuring that the assembled crowd weren't causing a danger and that they trusted their colleague to not be a sociopathic toerag.
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 05:37:41 PM
Yeah, I feel like third degree is exactly right. I don't think Chauvin wanted or intended to kill George Floyd, he just didn't give a single thought or care to the possibility of it happening and I'm damn sure that his biggest regret now is the effect it has had on him, not the effect it has had on Floyd or his family.
I don't know if the other three cops present could be charged with same - to my lay mind "perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others" sounds like it would require active involvement, and from the video evidence I've seen a lawyer might perhaps be able to argue that they were focused on ensuring that the assembled crowd weren't causing a danger and that they trusted their colleague to not be a sociopathic toerag.
they charge accomplices, drivers, etc with murder all the time.
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 05:39:13 PM
they charge accomplices, drivers, etc with murder all the time.
Sure. Which is why I said "I don't know".
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 05:39:41 PM
subhuman is putting it gently. The atrocities over the last 120 years aren't pretty.
I was reminded of this.
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/01/nation-pats-back-pretty-racist/
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 29, 2020, 05:40:22 PM
Yeah, I feel like third degree is exactly right. I don't think Chauvin wanted or intended to kill George Floyd, he just didn't give a single thought or care to the possibility of it happening and I'm damn sure that his biggest regret now is the effect it has had on him, not the effect it has had on Floyd or his family.I was going to write something similar, but you worded it way better than I was going to. Kudos.
I don't know if the other three cops present could be charged with same - to my lay mind "perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others" sounds like it would require active involvement, and from the video evidence I've seen a lawyer might perhaps be able to argue that they were focused on ensuring that the assembled crowd weren't causing a danger and that they trusted their colleague to not be a sociopathic toerag.
I definitely don't think he meant to kill the guy, but he definitely didn't give a excrement about him. I just think he meant to inflict pain and impose his power by inflicting pain on another individual he thought he was superior to.
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 05:43:28 PM
but justice wants what justice wants
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 06:43:36 PM
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/29/george-floyd-kneeled-on-by-three-officers-video-vpx.cnn
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 06:47:14 PM
Sometimes memes be good doe
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 06:56:32 PM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/101137782_10216816434107345_2041896455462977536_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=JCArDMRbqCUAX8qXQRD&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=48e31c06544446636afe95d08c9d1810&oe=5EF8B957)
Sometimes memes be good doe
Except you'd have been way better off if you'd just paid your taxes and let us keep ruling you.
*looks east*
*sigh*
Fine. Whatever.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2020, 07:03:34 PM
Except you'd have been way better off if you'd just paid your taxes and let us keep ruling you.But then you wouldn't have a shitty team to pull for and parking lot in New Jersey to hang out in.
*looks east*
*sigh*
Fine. Whatever.
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Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 07:26:27 PM
But then you wouldn't have a shitty team to pull for and parking lot in New Jersey to hang out in.
Truly the USA's greatest gift to the world has been the world's most frustrating sports team and drinking beer on Sunday mornings in a windswept parking lot in Jersey. And for that gift I am eternally grateful.
Post by: Jumbo on May 29, 2020, 07:30:35 PM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/101137782_10216816434107345_2041896455462977536_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=JCArDMRbqCUAX8qXQRD&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=48e31c06544446636afe95d08c9d1810&oe=5EF8B957)
Sometimes memes be good doe
Besides the destruction of the tea, historical accounts record no damage was done to any of the three ships, the crew or any other items onboard the ships except for one broken padlock. The padlock was the personal property of one of the ships’ captains, and was promptly replaced the next day by the Patriots. Great care was taken by the Sons of Liberty to avoid the destruction of personal property – save for the cargo of British East India Company Tea. John Andrews recorded, “…to Griffin’s wharf, where Hall, Bruce, and Coffin lay, each with 114 chest of the ill-fated article on board; the two former with only that article, but the latter, arrived at the wharf only the day before, was freighted with a large quantity of other goods, which they took the greatest care not to injure in the least…”
Nothing was stolen or looted from the ships, not even the tea. One participant tried to steal some tea but was reprimanded and stopped. The Sons of Liberty were very careful about how the action was carried out and made sure nothing besides the tea was damaged. After the destruction of the tea, the participants swept the decks of the ships clean and anything that was moved was put back in its proper place. The crews of the ships attested to the fact there had been no damage to any of the ships except for the destruction of their cargoes of tea.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 07:47:54 PM
Lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 07:51:47 PM
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The White House went into a brief lockdown on Friday evening as protests over the death of George Floyd raged nearby, according to reporters who said they were in the building at the time.
NBC News White House correspondent Peter Alexander said on Twitter that he was on lockdown inside the building as protests in the building's vicinity were ongoing. He later tweeted that the lockdown had been lifted.
Photos showed demonstrators gathering in Lafayette Park just outside the White House.
One video showed a man with a bandana around his neck spray-painting "F--k Trump" onto Freedman's Bank Building, which is adjacent to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 07:52:43 PM
Besides the destruction of the tea, historical accounts record no damage was done to any of the three ships, the crew or any other items onboard the ships except for one broken padlock. The padlock was the personal property of one of the ships’ captains, and was promptly replaced the next day by the Patriots. Great care was taken by the Sons of Liberty to avoid the destruction of personal property – save for the cargo of British East India Company Tea. John Andrews recorded, “…to Griffin’s wharf, where Hall, Bruce, and Coffin lay, each with 114 chest of the ill-fated article on board; the two former with only that article, but the latter, arrived at the wharf only the day before, was freighted with a large quantity of other goods, which they took the greatest care not to injure in the least…”
Nothing was stolen or looted from the ships, not even the tea. One participant tried to steal some tea but was reprimanded and stopped. The Sons of Liberty were very careful about how the action was carried out and made sure nothing besides the tea was damaged. After the destruction of the tea, the participants swept the decks of the ships clean and anything that was moved was put back in its proper place. The crews of the ships attested to the fact there had been no damage to any of the ships except for the destruction of their cargoes of tea.
So you're saying it's fine to take the TVs from Target and smash them in the parking lot, but not to damage the display units they're mounted on or to take them home and keep them?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 08:00:51 PM
https://twitter.com/yarahshabana/status/1266239770205683712?s=21
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1266491976825831430?s=21
https://twitter.com/farhangnamdar/status/1266147732844142597?s=21
https://twitter.com/jacksonlzz/status/1266134394516967425?s=21
Some of this video I’ve seen over the past... 5 days... doesnt even feel real.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 08:02:13 PM
So you're saying it's fine to take the TVs from Target and smash them in the parking lot, but not to damage the display units they're mounted on or to take them home and keep them?
Wheelchair Kathy is the British army in this analogy
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2020, 08:03:28 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 08:06:20 PM
Cam we get them to pilage and loot Foxboro?
And steal what? It's basically a stadium and some car showrooms as I recall, freak all of anything else there.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2020, 08:10:30 PM
And steal what? It's basically a stadium and some car showrooms as I recall, freak all of anything else there.Ok just pilage.
Post by: Jumbo on May 29, 2020, 08:32:56 PM
So you're saying it's fine to take the TVs from Target and smash them in the parking lot, but not to damage the display units they're mounted on or to take them home and keep them?
If they were being oppressed by the TVs I suppose
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
If they were being oppressed by the TVs I suppose
Your ancestors were being oppressed by tea?
Post by: Jumbo on May 29, 2020, 09:15:06 PM
Your ancestors were being oppressed by tea?
I mean my ancestors were busy freaking around the Middle East, they probably didn't know what Boston was.
There's no need to be dense though, you know precisely what's meant by that.
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 09:21:48 PM
I mean my ancestors were busy freaking around the Middle East, they probably didn't know what Boston was.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200530/076f9ab7abff34dd1a932a88d1a8b081.jpg)
There's no need to be dense though, you know precisely what's meant by that.
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 09:29:20 PM
I mean my ancestors were busy freaking around the Middle East, they probably didn't know what Boston was.
There's no need to be dense though, you know precisely what's meant by that.
No, not really. Do you not see even a slight parallel between the British East India Company and corporate America as symptoms of a social system built to profit from the oppression of its consumers?
Post by: Jumbo on May 29, 2020, 09:52:23 PM
No, not really. Do you not see even a slight parallel between the British East India Company and corporate America as symptoms of a social system built to profit from the oppression of its consumers?
I thought the protesting was supposed to be about George Floyd. Unless Floyd was choked out by the Target police, which as far as I'm aware is not true, it's pretty damn attenuated. If you think the people looting out both Target and local small businesses are doing it out of some sense of moral outrage towards corporations then lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 10:39:49 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 29, 2020, 10:57:50 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 29, 2020, 11:01:07 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 11:53:08 PM
Street justice
Post by: bojanglesman on May 30, 2020, 01:36:16 AM
https://t.co/cAwfMQRbXy
Clapping them cheeks for justice
Post by: bojanglesman on May 30, 2020, 01:43:20 AM
https://twitter.com/4500dinero/status/1266565901060538368?s=21Peace for the breakfast grease
Street justice
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 30, 2020, 04:07:06 AM
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1266628330909913089
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1266622623267434497
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1266626774789525504
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1266630673604853762
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1266632111181623296
Post by: bojanglesman on May 30, 2020, 06:31:08 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 30, 2020, 07:40:08 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 07:41:19 AM
Thugs
Post by: Heismanberg on May 30, 2020, 07:51:04 AM
So the lockdowns are over? Just checking. As I suspected, bullshit.
COVID lockdowns?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 07:53:36 AM
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8:19 a.m.: FBI issues statement on Oakland shooting
The Federal Bureau of Investigation issued a statement after one person was killed, and another injured in a shooting at that took place while protests were happening in Oakland, California. FBI San Francisco and Oakland police are investigating, but it is unknown yet if the shooting is connected to the protest.
"FBI San Francisco and the Oakland Police Department are investigating a shooting that occurred at the Ronald V. Dellums Federal Building at 1301 Clay Street in Oakland, California.," the statement read. "At approximately 9:45pm on Friday, May 29, 2020, a vehicle approached the building. An individual inside the vehicle began firing gunshots at contract security officers for the Federal Protective Service of the Department of Homeland Security. One officer was killed and another was injured," according to the statement.
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5:43 a.m.: 1 dead in Detroit after person opens fire on protesters from vehicle
One person is dead in Detroit after a vehicle drove up on people protesting the death of Floyd and opened fire, according to authorities.
A gray Dodge Durango pulled up and fired into the crowd, hitting a 19-year-old man who later died at the hospital, a Detroit Police Department spokesperson told ABC affiliate WXYZ.
Detroit Police Chief James Craig said the violence and destruction overnight is not what the city of Detroit is about.
"This does not represent the vast major of Detroiters who came here to make a statement," Craig said during a press conference Friday night. "We support the message, but let's do it peacefully."
This is fine
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 08:16:48 AM
https://twitter.com/gabrielyadel/status/1266524998702739456?s=21
https://twitter.com/kwamerose/status/1266576478424219650?s=21
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 30, 2020, 08:31:53 AM
Pretty sure she lives in the same apartment complex I do (but has a better view). This is the CVS across the street from me. Broken into and looted. Now boarded up. Same with the Rite Aid, Target and Whole Foods (at least the broken into and looted parts).
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1266628330909913089
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1266622623267434497
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1266626774789525504
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1266630673604853762
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1266632111181623296
bro you you live in DTLA? how was it living there during normal times, prior to protests and covid
Post by: bojanglesman on May 30, 2020, 08:52:45 AM
Now if we could get a Chickfila.....
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 09:21:47 AM
Always bet on racismCome to think of it I don't think racism has ever had a losing season.
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 09:26:22 AM
So the lockdowns are over? Just checking. As I suspected, bullshit.
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 09:27:54 AM
Living in the sticks has one advantage at least. I don't think BLM is coming to occupy my lawn mower.Total silence where I live in Queens. We don't have anything worth smashing up near me except maybe the McDonald's.
Now if we could get a Chickfila.....
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 09:29:03 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 30, 2020, 09:45:42 AM
Meanwhile Tr*mp is tweeting about MAGA night at the
White House. Looks like I'm not going outside today.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 09:55:47 AM
Sat: the riots were actually all caused by alt right trolls, cops, and Russians
https://twitter.com/joyannreid/status/1266741059163389952?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 09:59:40 AM
https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/1266481829592399872?s=21
https://twitter.com/calebjhull/status/1266570453101031424?s=21
https://twitter.com/asiajannelll/status/1266626927885873152?s=21
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 30, 2020, 10:12:16 AM
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 10:35:19 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 30, 2020, 10:46:46 AM
Total silence where I live in Queens. We don't have anything worth smashing up near me except maybe the McDonald's.No justice, no McMuffin!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 10:50:11 AM
Love to get all my antifa news from Caleb Hull
CNN was busy
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1266757528198799361?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 11:59:09 AM
At 3:16 a.m., Minneapolis police officers who were on patrol in the area were flagged down by a motorist, who told them they found a car with a person who looked to be deceased. Police responded to the area of 17th and Bryant avenues where they found a car in the middle of the street.
Inside the car, a woman in her 30s was found deceased in the backseat. Due to “trauma visible” on the victim’s body, a suspicious death investigation was initiated.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 30, 2020, 01:11:09 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 30, 2020, 01:34:54 PM
bro you you live in DTLA? how was it living there during normal times, prior to protests and covidIt was great before coronavirus. I could walk to work, bars, restaurants, and stores I wanted to buy things. First time I've lived downtown in a city and I really liked it. Everything is expensive but it is a city, so I knew that going in. And LA is great because everything else is drivable. Traffic sucks but nothing is that far away.
But during the pandemic, I end up spending way too much money on rent and now half the places I used to go are closed. Working from home so benefit of work being walkable for me is now gone. And now this.
I was debating getting transferred to Vegas for work. I was always leaning towards doing it because I would make more money based on taxes and rent alone, plus I would have better hours.
It was also really surreal living here during Kobe's death. Can always say I lived in LA during the Kobe death and the Floyd protests.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 30, 2020, 02:33:47 PM
Another large group of protesters left the police station downtown and they are heading towards the highway.
Things are going to get WILD tonight.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 30, 2020, 02:41:40 PM
I-35 in Austin has been taken over by protesters. Huge police presence on scene shooting people with water cannons and pepper spray.MB put some pepper spray on his roast beef buffet snack.
Another large group of protesters left the police station downtown and they are heading towards the highway.
Things are going to get WILD tonight.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 30, 2020, 02:52:00 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 30, 2020, 02:52:15 PM
MB put some pepper spray on his roast beef buffet snack.
A sprinkle
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 30, 2020, 02:55:54 PM
Spain classifies it as a chemical weapon and has it on its banned list. We had to check our sentries on the pier before they left the ship to make sure the armory didn't arm them with it before watch.
Using it and tear gas on protestors during a pandemic that specifically affects the respatory system is beyond me.
Post by: insanity on May 30, 2020, 03:46:37 PM
As someone who had to be pepper sprayed for work, that excrement is awful and should be banned.Are you still in the navy?
Spain classifies it as a chemical weapon and has it on its banned list. We had to check our sentries on the pier before they left the ship to make sure the armory didn't arm them with it before watch.
Using it and tear gas on protestors during a pandemic that specifically affects the respatory system is beyond me.
Post by: MBGreen on May 30, 2020, 04:04:48 PM
A sprinklemore like...a spritz
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 30, 2020, 04:52:47 PM
Are you still in the navy?
Yes. Why?
more like...a spritz
I sweat it into my mouth during the exposure, it just tastes like pain.
Post by: MBGreen on May 30, 2020, 05:04:34 PM
Yes. Why?I would take a shot of pepper spray directly to the face in exchange for Gase getting fired.
I sweat it into my mouth during the exposure, it just tastes like pain.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 30, 2020, 05:19:27 PM
I would take a shot of pepper spray directly to the face in exchange for Gase getting fired.I would also take MBGreen getting a shot of pepper spray to the face for Gase getting fired. #MeToo
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 30, 2020, 05:24:20 PM
I would take a shot of pepper spray directly to the face in exchange for Gase getting fired.
I would also take MBGreen getting a shot of pepper spray to the face for Gase getting fired. #MeTooI could live with this.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 30, 2020, 05:24:53 PM
https://twitter.com/ajinvestigates/status/1266822263489339393?s=21 (https://twitter.com/ajinvestigates/status/1266822263489339393?s=21)
MN State Gov't cannot get their story straight:
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Attorney General Barr just said "far left extremists" behind riots. State officials referenced white supremacist groups whoch would not be "left"...Idealogy [sic] of both extremes is what we're actually seeing.
Source (https://twitter.com/AJInvestigates/status/1266794843117965312?s=19)
Post by: MBGreen on May 30, 2020, 05:32:41 PM
I would also take MBGreen getting a shot of pepper spray to the face for Gase getting fired. #MeToo
I could live with this.#SacrificialLamb
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 05:35:36 PM
A whole king
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 05:40:43 PM
In response to the claims that most of the arrests in MN last night were from out of state:
https://twitter.com/ajinvestigates/status/1266822263489339393?s=21 (https://twitter.com/ajinvestigates/status/1266822263489339393?s=21)
MN State Gov't cannot get their story straight:
Source (https://twitter.com/AJInvestigates/status/1266794843117965312?s=19)
“ Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey said protests in the city Tuesday were largely peaceful and organized by local residents, but that the "dynamic has changed over the last several days."
"I want to be very, very clear: The people that are doing this are not Minneapolis residents," Frey said Saturday.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, without providing specifics, said he believes 80% of the people now taking part in the overnight rioting are from outside Minnesota.
There are detractors. There are white supremacists. There are anarchists," Lt. Gov. Peggy Flanagan said Saturday afternoon.
However, a civil arrest list provided by the public information officer of the St. Paul Police Department shows 12 of the 18 people arrested from Thursday through 6 a.m. Saturday were from Minnesota. Five of them are from St. Paul, three are from Woodbury (part of the Twin Cities metropolitan area), two are from Minneapolis, one is from Mankato and one is from St. Louis Park. Four are from out of state and two did not have cities of residence listed.
Leggat, the security consultant, said intelligence reports from his colleagues indicate most of the hard-core protesters in Minneapolis are far-left or anarchists, and that far-right groups have not yet made a significant appearance. He said looting is typically done by locals – usually people with no criminal record who just get caught up in the moment.
-USA Today, top investigative journalists
Post by: mj2sexay on May 30, 2020, 05:44:43 PM
“ Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey said protests in the city Tuesday were largely peaceful and organized by local residents, but that the "dynamic has changed over the last several days."
"I want to be very, very clear: The people that are doing this are not Minneapolis residents," Frey said Saturday.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, without providing specifics, said he believes 80% of the people now taking part in the overnight rioting are from outside Minnesota.
There are detractors. There are white supremacists. There are anarchists," Lt. Gov. Peggy Flanagan said Saturday afternoon.
However, a civil arrest list provided by the public information officer of the St. Paul Police Department shows 12 of the 18 people arrested from Thursday through 6 a.m. Saturday were from Minnesota. Five of them are from St. Paul, three are from Woodbury (part of the Twin Cities metropolitan area), two are from Minneapolis, one is from Mankato and one is from St. Louis Park. Four are from out of state and two did not have cities of residence listed.
Leggat, the security consultant, said intelligence reports from his colleagues indicate most of the hard-core protesters in Minneapolis are far-left or anarchists, and that far-right groups have not yet made a significant appearance. He said looting is typically done by locals – usually people with no criminal record who just get caught up in the moment.
-USA Today, top investigative journalists
Well, at least they're now in agreement that Antifa are actually a bunch of racist twats.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 30, 2020, 06:08:34 PM
- Most of the people protesting are peaceful people who are pissed off at what's happening but won't do anything harmful
- A small percentage of people have the right intentions, but are pissed and can't control themselves
- A small percentage of people just want to cause chaos on the left side
- A small percentage of people on the right wants to cause chaos, knowing that half of the country will just blame black people regardless.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 06:11:39 PM
It seems pretty obvious to me...
- Most of the people protesting are peaceful people who are pissed off at what's happening but won't do anything harmful
- A small percentage of people have the right intentions, but are pissed and can't control themselves
- A small percentage of people just want to cause chaos on the left side
- A small percentage of people on the right wants to cause chaos, knowing that half of the country will just blame black people regardless.
Adding on
- A small percentage of people looking to get cool selfies in front of burning cop cars and live stream footage of riots to their 200 Instagram followers
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 06:18:09 PM
It seems pretty obvious to me...
- Most of the people protesting are peaceful people who are pissed off at what's happening but won't do anything harmful
- A small percentage of people have the right intentions, but are pissed and can't control themselves
- A small percentage of people just want to cause chaos on the left side
- A small percentage of people on the right wants to cause chaos, knowing that half of the country will just blame black people regardless.
“ As Thursday turns to Friday, our officers continue to work shoulder-to-shoulder with local, state, federal and fire partners to protect St. Paul.
More than 170 businesses damaged or looted. Dozens of fires. Thankfully, no reports of serious injuries. Calm on the horizon.”
- St. Paul Police Dept
Hard to believe this was the work of “a small percentage of people”
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 06:19:09 PM
I would also take MBGreen getting a shot of pepper spray to the face for Gase getting fired. #MeTooMe three.
Let's start a petition
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 06:19:46 PM
Me three.
Let's start a petition
Signed
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 06:20:24 PM
Well, at least they're now in agreement that Antifa are actually a bunch of racist twats.Now do police and landlords
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 06:25:36 PM
Adding on
- A small percentage of people looking to get cool selfies in front of burning cop cars and live stream footage of riots to their 200 Instagram followers
I was being mostly sarcastic and then saw this minutes later to remind me Why I said it
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1266857143170412544?s=21
Post by: MBGreen on May 30, 2020, 06:40:11 PM
Me three.
Let's start a petition
When Gase gets fired and the Jets win a superbowl....i get a ring as well.
#stipulationSZN
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 30, 2020, 06:41:32 PM
I was being mostly sarcastic and then saw this minutes later to remind me Why I said itI pass that Shell all the time. Was going to get gas there on Thursday but decided to wait. It's 4 blocks away. Maybe I'll get a selfie.
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1266857143170412544?s=21
Edit: either it's the wrong Shell, or they really cleared excrement up in the last few hours.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 30, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
When Gase gets fired and the Jets win a superbowl....i get a ring as well.Seems fair.
#stipulationSZN
(we all know the Jets will never actually win another Super Bowl)
Post by: MBGreen on May 30, 2020, 06:42:44 PM
Seems fair.
(we all know the Jets will never actually win another Super Bowl)
They will with a properly coached Sam Darnold.
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 07:30:00 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1266863054781853696?s=19
https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1266879497355309057?s=19
Would be super embarrassing to have believed this at any point
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 07:30:50 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 30, 2020, 07:34:02 PM
It seems pretty obvious to me...
- Most of the people protesting are peaceful people who are pissed off at what's happening but won't do anything harmful
- A small percentage of people have the right intentions, but are pissed and can't control themselves
- A small percentage of people just want to cause chaos on the left side
- A small percentage of people on the right wants to cause chaos, knowing that half of the country will just blame black people regardless.
Explain how this is in any way "pretty obvious" and not blatant projection, if not a flat out lie.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 30, 2020, 07:39:49 PM
Explain how this is in any way "pretty obvious" and not blatant projection, if not a flat out lie.Officials have said as much. And I don't think that left wing protests are smashing an abortion clinic in Kentucky...
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 07:48:14 PM
I guess they realized that claim was gonna fall apart the second another city tried to use it.
What’s your opinion on the motive?
I’ve seen this thrown around quite a lot
https://twitter.com/whyyouwantit/status/1266880675023433728?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 07:51:33 PM
Officials have said as much. And I don't think that left wing protests are smashing an abortion clinic in Kentucky...
Why would left wing protests attack CNN headquarters? Mob mentality doesn’t often use logic.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 30, 2020, 07:53:45 PM
Why would left wing protests attack CNN headquarters? Mob mentality doesn’t often use logic.There is a police precinct inside that building.
Post by: Johnny English on May 30, 2020, 07:55:57 PM
When Gase gets fired and the Jets win a superbowl....i get a ring as well.
#stipulationSZN
Bruh, if the Jets win the Super Bowl as a result you can go to the White House with the team for all I care. Say hi to President Ocasio-Cortez for me, give her my number.
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 08:06:53 PM
What’s your opinion on the motive?Agent provocateurs are absolutely a thing - to say anything at this point about what they've done in this instance, or how many there are is complete speculation.
I’ve seen this thrown around quite a lot
https://twitter.com/whyyouwantit/status/1266880675023433728?s=21
I avoid bringing them up because deflecting blame for property damage is not useful, it's just a timesuck debating the specifics of the riots instead of what caused the riots.
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 08:07:22 PM
Why would left wing protests attack CNN headquarters? Mob mentality doesn’t often use logic.CNN isn't left wing
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 08:08:00 PM
There is a police precinct inside that building.
https://twitter.com/fernalfonso/status/1266529026765721602?s=21
https://twitter.com/calebjhull/status/1266547890350182400?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 08:12:21 PM
CNN isn't left wing
That puts Fox News somewhere near the center
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 30, 2020, 08:15:54 PM
Explain how this is in any way "pretty obvious" and not blatant projection, if not a flat out lie.
Because of excrement like this. (https://twitter.com/Gingersonfire/status/1266884385854255104?s=19)
Post by: IATA on May 30, 2020, 08:20:21 PM
Post by: IATA on May 30, 2020, 08:34:32 PM
New Yorks Finest
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 08:35:16 PM
Because of excrement like this. (https://twitter.com/Gingersonfire/status/1266884385854255104?s=19)
“all lives matter” he says while trying to murder people
Post by: IATA on May 30, 2020, 08:48:13 PM
“all lives matter” he says while trying to murder people
apparently he hit someone afterall, TMZ claims at least
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 30, 2020, 08:56:11 PM
https://twitter.com/chieffymac11/status/1266884475268616197
New Yorks Finest
Holy excrement.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 30, 2020, 08:56:54 PM
That puts Fox News somewhere near the centerLol.
Post by: IATA on May 30, 2020, 09:59:49 PM
Cops beating the excrement out of George Floyd in the back of the cop truck after they moved him across the street and moved their car out of camera range.
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 10:01:53 PM
Because of excrement like this. (https://twitter.com/Gingersonfire/status/1266884385854255104?s=19)God damnit. Bringing shame to my lapsed hobby.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 30, 2020, 10:15:36 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA1BObVnbqt/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again
Cops beating the excrement out of George Floyd in the back of the cop truck after they moved him across the street and moved their car out of camera range.
OK. If these motherfuckers aren't charged then I'm really scared that something worse is going to happen. Also who was holding onto this?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 11:05:05 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA1BObVnbqt/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again
Cops beating the excrement out of George Floyd in the back of the cop truck after they moved him across the street and moved their car out of camera range.
If he was in the back of a cop car how does he end up on the ground getting choked out?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 11:28:38 PM
Mob justice
Don’t click if you’re over your internet murder quota
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 30, 2020, 11:49:59 PM
https://twitter.com/libertyhangout/status/1266926402269523969?s=21
Mob justice
Don’t click if you’re over your internet murder quota
He's alive but probably in critical condition. Came after someone with a freaking sword. How did he think that was going to end for him?
[Url/=https://twitter.com/deanjoys/status/1266861521772019713?s=19]shortly before the start of the above video]
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 30, 2020, 11:56:55 PM
https://twitter.com/deanjoys/status/1266861521772019713?s=19 (https://twitter.com/deanjoys/status/1266861521772019713?s=19)
Post by: Jumbo on May 31, 2020, 12:24:22 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZUK40PUcAEsar-.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZUK40NU4AAxOHw.jpg)
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 31, 2020, 12:26:42 AM
https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225
Post by: IATA on May 31, 2020, 01:14:42 AM
Hit and run of a protestor in CAApparently one of the kids in the car, his dad is a local cop. They've been let off by the local cops, no justice
https://twitter.com/deanjoys/status/1266861521772019713?s=19 (https://twitter.com/deanjoys/status/1266861521772019713?s=19)
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 01:57:33 AM
Apparently one of the kids in the car, his dad is a local cop. They've been let off by the local cops, no justice
Internet probably knows who he is.
EDIT: yep, whole car got doxxed.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 03:04:32 AM
He's alive but probably in critical condition. Came after someone with a freaking sword. How did he think that was going to end for him?
[Url/=https://twitter.com/deanjoys/status/1266861521772019713?s=19]shortly before the start of the above video]
Yeah. Should've used a freaking gun.
Post by: IATA on May 31, 2020, 08:15:48 AM
Another excellent take by MJ. You're on a roll
Post by: Heismanberg on May 31, 2020, 08:27:03 AM
Yeah. Should've used a freaking gun.
On himself
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 09:35:59 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2020, 09:42:34 AM
Post by: ons on May 31, 2020, 09:57:28 AM
My favourite bit of all this is people squealing about protests while there are social distancing rules in place. "Oh no, a bunch of old white people might get sick, I must accept being treated like a second class citizen to protect them and the society they've created!"
As someone who is very much sympathetic to mass protests, I think it's a legitimate concern, especially as covid-19 has already disproportionately impacted poor black urban neighborhoods. The protestors have families that they're returning to, and a tragic consequence of the protesting could potentially be further devastation within the very communities that are suffering the most from the injustices of systemic racism. Not to say that people shouldn't be protesting, but the pandemic is still uncharted territory, and the effects of it shouldn't be ignored as mass demonstrations ripple through densely populated urban areas.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 10:08:07 AM
My favourite bit of all this is people squealing about protests while there are social distancing rules in place. "Oh no, a bunch of old white people might get sick, I must accept being treated like a second class citizen to protect them and the society they've created!"
Wha? Do you think that black people don’t get old?
Post by: reuben on May 31, 2020, 10:13:21 AM
Feels like a lifetime ago. 2020 is the freaking worst.
Post by: IATA on May 31, 2020, 10:15:03 AM
firing something at innocent person on their porch:
[https://streamable.com/u2jzoo](https://streamable.com/u2jzoo)
cop appearing to be enjoying himself today:
[https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151](https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151)
cop shooting something at guy for saying "freak you":
[https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151](https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151)
cops breaking supplies for peaceful protestors:
[https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151](https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151)
nypd driving into protestors:
[https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251](https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251) [https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod](https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod)
cops shoving an old dude to the ground:
[https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151](https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151)
police actively seeking out fights compilation:
[https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251](https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251)
cop driving at people aggressively on a campus:
[https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251](https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251)
cop shooting rubber bullets at people watching from apartment:
[https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah\_Mojarad/status/1266633046591078400?s=09](https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Mojarad/status/1266633046591078400?s=09)
police shooting the press with rubber bullets:
[https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151](https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151)
police arresting a CNN reporter:
[https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151](https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151)
police doing a drive-by pepper spraying
[https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609](https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609)
photographer being pepper sprayed:
[https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg](https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg)
guy with hands in the air gets his mask ripped off and pepper sprayed:
[https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251](https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251)
lady who was coming home with groceries who got a rubber bullet to the head:
[https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg](https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg)
[https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339675137](https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339675137)
reporter blinded by rubber bullets:
[https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266618525600399361?s=19](https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266618525600399361?s=19)
reporter describes getting tear gassed:
[https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/1266911382613692422](https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/1266911382613692422)
couple getting yanked out of their car and tased for violating curfew:
[https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1266919104574865410?s=19](https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1266919104574865410?s=19)
young woman gets shoved to the ground by officer:
[https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney\_hu/status/1266540710188195843?s=20](https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843?s=20)
reporter sheltering in gas station is pepper sprayed: [https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317](https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317)
reporter trying to get home gets window shot out: [https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778](https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778)
cops come at a guy for filming a police car burning:
[https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229](https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229)
photographer arrested:
[https://youtu.be/9wgkGLmphLE](https://youtu.be/9wgkGLmphLE)
Columbus police assaulting protestors:
[https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610](https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610)
congresswoman sprayed with pepper spray during protest:
[https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pepper-sprayed-columbus-protest/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pepper-sprayed-columbus-protest/index.html)
7 protesters fired on with rubber bullets:
[https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151](https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151)
cops pepper spraying a group of protestors without provocation [https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251](https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251)
young child allegedly pepper sprayed:
[https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-over-face-of-child-pepper-sprayed-in-seattle-protest](https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-over-face-of-child-pepper-sprayed-in-seattle-protest)
horse tramples young woman, police investigating: [https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/30/watch-video-captures-moment-police-horse-tramples-woman-during-houston-rally/](https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/30/watch-video-captures-moment-police-horse-tramples-woman-during-houston-rally/)
cop pushes protestor with his bike
[https://twitter.com/ava/status/1266797973834395648?s=20](https://twitter.com/ava/status/1266797973834395648?s=20)
Reuters reporters detail being shot at with rubber bullets:
[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protest-update/reuters-cameraman-hit-by-rubber-bullets-as-police-disperse-protesters-idUSKBN237050](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protest-update/reuters-cameraman-hit-by-rubber-bullets-as-police-disperse-protesters-idUSKBN237050)
freak the police
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2020, 10:16:41 AM
Same principle applies here. "Stay home to protect society" is a fairly hollow argument when that society is already designed to oppress and even kill you with impunity.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 10:41:55 AM
Apparently he wasn't even the store owner, he was just some stupid piece of excrement trying to "protect his neighborhood" who attacked a young person with the sword and was charging at random people until the mob came in.
Another excellent take by MJ. You're on a roll
What is it with you guys being completely unable to change your narrative despite direct video evidence to the contrary?
Post by: Heismanberg on May 31, 2020, 10:43:45 AM
Shut the freak up
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 10:46:44 AM
What is it with you guys being completely unable to change your narrative despite direct video evidence to the contrary?
You mean the video evidence of that dude charging random people with a sword unprovoked that I posted?
Post by: MBGreen on May 31, 2020, 10:48:14 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 31, 2020, 10:48:39 AM
He acted tough as freak on the news after he got his racist derriere beat
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 10:51:14 AM
Bow and arrow bro should’ve used a gun too
He acted tough as freak on the news after he got his racist derriere beat
Imagine if he actually hit someone. The crowd would have torn him apart.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 10:51:49 AM
SHOULDA USED A GUN!
Shut the freak up
Bow and arrow bro should’ve used a gun too
He acted tough as freak on the news after he got his racist derriere beat
Lmao so typical for the freaking brainlet wannabe football scout. Let's compare two totally different situations and utterly strawman the target.
Hey I'm sure if you stuck it out, Texarkana State would've been calling any day now!
You mean the video evidence of that dude charging random people with a sword unprovoked that I posted?
No I mean the full version of people pelting the guy with freaking rocks as he was running away before he got chased and beat half to death.
But sure, take the word of the same people that violently put this guy in the hospital that he was the aggressor and isn't even a local business owner (as if that has any relevancy considering the prevailing mindset around here is they aren't allowed to use force to defend what's theres. After all, ItS JuSt PrOpertY).
Post by: Heismanberg on May 31, 2020, 10:54:00 AM
Makes sense to me
He’s lucky he isn’t dead
Post by: Heismanberg on May 31, 2020, 10:54:39 AM
ALL LIVES MATTER!
We don’t know the whole story guys!
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 10:57:03 AM
So they threw rocks and frozen water bottles at a guy running around with a sword?
Makes sense to me
He’s lucky he isn’t dead
A rare bout of intelligence.
There is absolutely no proof he was "running around with a sword" as opposed to remaining in place in order to protect a business. There is proof that he tried to de-escalate and was caught and beaten within an inch of his life.
But since it's convenient, everyone has chosen to run with the story to justify this violence that is being purveyed by the people who...committed the violence.
If there was no cam to show exactly what happened, it's no different than taking the word of Derek Chavin.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 31, 2020, 10:58:42 AM
A rare bout of intelligence.
There is absolutely no proof he was "running around with a sword" as opposed to remaining in place in order to protect a business. There is proof that he tried to de-escalate and was caught and beaten within an inch of his life.
But since it's convenient, everyone has chosen to run with the story to justify this violence that is being purveyed by the people who...committed the violence.
If there was no cam to show exactly what happened, it's no different than taking the word of Derek Chavin.
I know this is hard for you to comprehend but:
If someone has a weapon whether it’s a sword or a machine gun, it’s a threat
Whether they are running and charging or strolling through the street
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 11:15:05 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 11:16:54 AM
I know this is hard for you to comprehend but:
If someone has a weapon whether it’s a sword or a machine gun, it’s a threat
Whether they are running and charging or strolling through the street
A threat.
More like survival tactic for anyone who didn't want to see their livelihood go up in freaking flames.
I'm glad some protesters understood it's not just VaLuIng PrOpeRtY OvEr LiveS considering I saw them actively trying to protect small business, but that won't garner any national attention because why would it.
Post by: IATA on May 31, 2020, 11:19:21 AM
:)
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
Just want to point out that nobody insulted MJ, but he had to get his 2 cents in with another insult because everyone disagrees with him.
:)
What.
You'll notice I didn't insult you, because you didn't insult me.
How you could objectively make that claim above considering the conversation I had with HEIS is beyond me, on top of being flagrantly false.
Break it down yourself if you'd like.
Smiley-face emoji!
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 11:34:38 AM
A threat.
More like survival tactic for anyone who didn't want to see their livelihood go up in freaking flames.
I'm glad some protesters understood it's not just VaLuIng PrOpeRtY OvEr LiveS considering I saw them actively trying to protect small business, but that won't garner any national attention because why would it.
A "survival tactic" based off of...
Come on, you can do this.
On second thought, if your tactic is trying to pick off random members of a particular group on order to scare or intimidate of the larger group in a scenario with little chance of you coming out unscathed, I'm pretty sure we have a different word other than survival for that...
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 11:41:14 AM
https://twitter.com/lightskinpierce/status/1267019123772608513?s=21
https://twitter.com/kuzahoncho/status/1267008116102533120?s=21
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1266931911445880833?s=21
No one in this video is on the “right” side, my only point when posting the video is that this whole situation is fucked
Agree that he’s lucky that he isn’t dead because he brought a weapon to a riot
Post by: MBGreen on May 31, 2020, 11:42:11 AM
A threat.
More like survival tactic for anyone who didn't want to see their livelihood go up in freaking flames.
I'm glad some protesters understood it's not just VaLuIng PrOpeRtY OvEr LiveS considering I saw them actively trying to protect small business, but that won't garner any national attention because why would it.
If your livelihood goes up in flames, that's what insurance is for.
[insert Aaron Rodgers state farm commercial here]
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 11:50:47 AM
A "survival tactic" based off of...
Come on, you can do this.
On second thought, if your tactic is trying to pick off random members of a particular group on order to scare or intimidate of the larger group in a scenario with little chance of you coming out unscathed, I'm pretty sure we have a different word other than survival for that...
Based off of seeing their livelihood and community go-up in smoke. How is this hard to understand or empathize with. I literally see protesters understanding this POV.
Not one person can ever point to me saying a single thing about the 3rd precinct going up in flames. If I had read about a murder a 100 years ago capping off a string of police brutality during the Spanish flu, and the response was that the townsfolk burnt down the freaking constable's office, I wouldn't bat an eye.
The idea that destroying small, community owned business, or even a chain-store like Target for that matter is in any way productive, or will rectify anything is flying in the face of demonstrated recent history. The arguments I've seen to counter this are either emotionally-appealing misdirects (The "valuing property over lives" gambit), or are wholly unpersuasive otherwise.
How's Ferguson recovered since their city went up in flames based on false narrative? C'mon, you can do this.
If your livelihood goes up in flames, that's what insurance is for.
[insert Aaron Rodgers state farm commercial here]
No offense MB, but this is one of those arguments that is wholly unpersuasive.
You have no idea, especially in light of the pandemic when, where, or how these businesses are going to have their damage mitigated by an insurance company, who's job is actually not to pay out claims, but make and retain as much money as possible.
But you can be assured that the grand majority off those businesses will not be returning to the communities they once served, and the only people left with the fallout economically and socially of the depression that naturally comes when your excrement is burned to the ground and commerce bounces, are the residents.
That's without getting into how objectionable this attitude is that you can just cut someone a check for a lifetime of their sweat equity and tell them to do something else because their business got burnt down in an entirely preventable situation that was no fault of their own.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 11:51:34 AM
If your livelihood goes up in flames, that's what insurance is for.
[insert Aaron Rodgers state farm commercial here]
Quote
Minneapolis firefighter Korboi "KB" Balla says his dream was always to open a sports bar, something he almost achieved after "countless hours" working on the project.
His initial open date in March had to be pushed back because of the coronavirus pandemic. He was ready to finally open his doors in June, but that plan came to a crashing halt when rioters destroyed his business on Wednesday.
"I don't know what I'm going to do," a teary-eyed Balla told a CBS affiliate. The outlet reported that Balla invested his life savings into opening the bar which looters infiltrated as cameras were rolling.
"We've been working so hard for this place. This is not just for me. This is for my family," Balla says on the video.
Hopefully insurance covers this guys life savings
Luckily these days we have the internet to spread his story and gofundme to help him out
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 11:56:40 AM
Wha? Do you think that black people don’t get old?Well, statistically...
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 11:57:40 AM
i wonder what dcm is up to.Defending a Chase bank branch
Post by: MBGreen on May 31, 2020, 12:01:24 PM
Defending a Chase bank branch
with a valyrian steel sword
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 12:10:57 PM
Based off of seeing their livelihood and community go-up in smoke. How is this hard to understand or empathize with. I literally see protesters understanding this POV.
Not one person can ever point to me saying a single thing about the 3rd precinct going up in flames. If I had read about a murder a 100 years ago capping off a string of police brutality during the Spanish flu, and the response was that the townsfolk burnt down the freaking constable's office, I wouldn't bat an eye.
The idea that destroying small, community owned business, or even a chain-store like Target for that matter is in any way productive, or will rectify anything is flying in the face of demonstrated recent history. The arguments I've seen to counter this are either emotionally-appealing misdirects (The "valuing property over lives" gambit), or are wholly unpersuasive otherwise.
How's Ferguson recovered since their city went up in flames based on false narrative? C'mon, you can do this.
Guess you can’t do this so I’ll do it for you.
The guy brought a sword out to the streets to either intimidate a large group of people around him or kill someone. He should have taken the hint to GTFO once he started being pelted by rocks and I cannot for the life of me understand why he thought charging someone with it would have ended with anything other than his life being put in serious jeopardy regardless of wether or not he hit his target.
The dude was not right in the head, and “I’m going to defend my livelihood with a sword by myself!” is not a defensible thought process for anyone other than someone suffering from a severe mental breakdown (dude in the video). It’s about as logical as the looting except the looters are by-and-large out for stuff where as going out with a weapon solo is at best misguided and at worst an attempt at homicide. This was a stupid, stupid act by this dude and it ended in the only logical conclusion after he chose to attack someone rather than go the freak back home.
I’m glad he wasn’t killed but I my sympathy for him at this point is minimal given the choices he made to 1. adopt an aggressive posture in the face an overwhelming opposition and 2. attack with intent to maim and injure someone else.
There are plenty of GoFundMe and other donation sites out there right now dedicated to helping people rebuild after the destruction of the riots. I’ll take a look for some of them and post them in this thread later so those who are interested can make whatever contributions they’d like. Some people probably aren’t going to receive support or consideration for saving from the masses because they are white business owners but they’ll still be better off than the black people whose lives weren’t valued by the cops who killed them.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 12:17:42 PM
Lol this guy sucks
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 12:18:10 PM
https://twitter.com/harriermagnus/status/1267038148514713606?s=21JE would die for his pub
Lol this guy sucks
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 12:21:30 PM
Hopefully insurance covers this guys life savings
Luckily these days we have the internet to spread his story and gofundme to help him out
This freaking sucks but at this point I’m thankful that the majority of casualties are businesses and stores and not lives. People get can more money, they cannot get another loved one.
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2020, 12:22:22 PM
https://twitter.com/harriermagnus/status/1267038148514713606?s=21
Lol this guy sucks
This puts a completely different perspective on things. You can smash every big box store you like, but you come for my local boozer and we're going to have a problem.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 12:23:10 PM
This freaking sucks but at this point I’m thankful that the majority of casualties are businesses and stores and not lives. People get can more money, they cannot get another loved one.
Killing a black man to own the violence against black men
https://twitter.com/nbcbayarea/status/1266957406485000193?s=21
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 12:27:15 PM
https://twitter.com/harriermagnus/status/1267038148514713606?s=21
Lol this guy sucks
Wasn’t even his bar. Didn’t even work there. This dude is dumb. Very, very dumb.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 12:32:00 PM
Killing a black man to own the violence against black men
https://twitter.com/nbcbayarea/status/1266957406485000193?s=21
Anyone in a police uniform is potentially a target now. I doubt the shooters put much thought into where their bullets were going to strike. I don’t know anything about this dude but indiscriminate murder is only going to exacerbate everything.
freak anyone pulling drive-byes. Three people were shot in my neighborhood last night about four blocks from my place. Not riot related, violent crime in general has been on the uptick in DC since the lockdown.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 31, 2020, 12:33:44 PM
Wasn’t even his bar. Didn’t even work there. This dude is dumb. Very, very dumb.
his reasoning points to something being off
he explains prior to that night he felt distressed at the thought of not being able to get a haircut at the place he used to get haircuts. again, another example of non-black people not being able to reconcile their own thoughts about the loss of material/immaterial possessions vs the senseless loss of life. if he's this sad about not being able to get a haircut, how would he feel if his entire group was senselessly being taken out without anything being done about it?
he then makes a statement of an assumption that his floor concierge was inevitably going to be overrun no matter what, and that rather than allowing that to happen he decided to go out into the mob and meet them head on beforehand lol
not even going to go into the logistics of running into a mob with a sword/machete in hand as this has been tackled by others
again, something is just off there. a 5 second perusal of his twitter website shows that he likes to write. without knowing anything about this guy, part of me thinks he knew what he was doing was not a smart idea, but wanted new writing material for the future. 'i went out into the protests with a machete in hand to protect the people i cared about!' and what ended up happening was the only logical thing one would expect to happen after running at an angry mob with a machete
i wouldn't have been surprised to find out he was a vegetable after seeing the beating he took. he's out here posting on twitter
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 12:37:01 PM
his reasoning points to something being off
he explains prior to that night he felt distressed at the thought of not being able to get a haircut at the place he used to get haircuts
he then makes a statement of an assumption he had that his floor concierge was inevitably going to be overrun no matter what, and that rather than allowing that to happen he decided to go out into the mob and meet them head on beforehand lol
not even going to go into the logistics of running into a mob with a sword/machete in hand as this has been tackled by others
again, something is just off there. a 5 second perusal of his twitter website shows that he likes to write. without knowing anything about this guy, part of me thinks he knew what he was doing was not a smart idea, but wanted new writing material for the future. 'i went out into the protests with a machete in hand to protect the people i cared about!' and what ended up happening was the only logical thing one would expect to happen after running at an angry mob with a machete
i wouldn't have been surprised to find out he was a vegetable after seeing the beating he took. he's out here posting on twitter
This is the part I keep hammering on. It’s like he saw Death Wish and decided it was anything other than a work of fiction. I can’t imagine what would have happened if he had a gun instead of a machete. I really don’t want to try.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 12:37:49 PM
Lmaoooo this guy is so butthurt he got the same treatment the mob is giving to other civilians
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 31, 2020, 12:41:57 PM
"it was the only thing i knew would fire my men up"
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 12:43:34 PM
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 12:55:57 PM
LOL at the “you ruined my day!”As a NYer the concept of driving to a protest seems alien
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 12:56:58 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 12:58:22 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 01:00:21 PM
Hahah the simps in the replies
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 01:01:12 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's the full Dallas attempted murder video. <br><br>Mob throws rocks at man and chases him. Mob corners man and runs him down. Mob beats, kicks, curbstomps and stones him in the head and proceeds to run his pockets. <br><br> <a href="https://t.co/qp15h8wu2V">pic.twitter.com/qp15h8wu2V</a></p>— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) <a href="https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1266983252453019648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
But I get it, he's an unsympathetic figure because he brandished *gasp* a weapon. Let's see what else our glorious revolutionaries are up to.
Hey guy! You shouldn't have been out there counter-protesting all peacefully like that! How dare you brandish the weapon known as the American flag! Don't you know that stands for white supremacist violence!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is attempted murder. Antifa first suckerpunched and then stomped this elderly man for having the American flag. Then they did the same to a man who rushed to his defense, as seen in the other video I posted. <a href="https://t.co/3ZUzV5XDxO">pic.twitter.com/3ZUzV5XDxO</a></p>— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) <a href="https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1267046695742795777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
These people were literally cowering in their business. Don't worry though, I'm sure insurance we'll cover it, or we can always cover their medical bills with a GoFundme.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rioters in Rochester, NY brutally assaulted a husband and wife couple while vandalizing their store. <a href="https://t.co/sVKwAY0klO">pic.twitter.com/sVKwAY0klO</a></p>— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) <a href="https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1267021384732905472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Those store owners should have had a freaking gun.
Keep rationalizing and soft-shoeing this though, great look.
Post by: MBGreen on May 31, 2020, 01:06:07 PM
So this narrative that this guy ran into a mob has been repeated. Too bad the only evidence of the encounter shows he ran, tried to de-escalate and was followed and beaten after being provoked.Nobody should have guns...that’s why you’re in this situation in the first place.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's the full Dallas attempted murder video. <br><br>Mob throws rocks at man and chases him. Mob corners man and runs him down. Mob beats, kicks, curbstomps and stones him in the head and proceeds to run his pockets. <br><br> <a href="https://t.co/qp15h8wu2V">pic.twitter.com/qp15h8wu2V</a></p>— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) <a href="https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1266983252453019648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
But I get it, he's an unsympathetic figure because he brandished *gasp* a weapon. Let's see what else our glorious revolutionaries are up to.
Hey guy! You shouldn't have been out there counter-protesting all peacefully like that! How dare you brandish the weapon known as the American flag! Don't you know that stands for white supremacist violence!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is attempted murder. Antifa first suckerpunched and then stomped this elderly man for having the American flag. Then they did the same to a man who rushed to his defense, as seen in the other video I posted. <a href="https://t.co/3ZUzV5XDxO">pic.twitter.com/3ZUzV5XDxO</a></p>— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) <a href="https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1267046695742795777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
These people were literally cowering in their business. Don't worry though, I'm sure insurance we'll cover it, or we can always cover their medical bills with a GoFundme.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rioters in Rochester, NY brutally assaulted a husband and wife couple while vandalizing their store. <a href="https://t.co/sVKwAY0klO">pic.twitter.com/sVKwAY0klO</a></p>— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) <a href="https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1267021384732905472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Those store owners should have had a freaking gun.
Keep rationalizing and soft-shoeing this though, great look.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 01:08:45 PM
Hard to watch.
Condoning/allowing these scenarios to continue to occur is freaking dangerous for everyone involved.
Post by: reuben on May 31, 2020, 01:09:09 PM
https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/netflix-hulu-amazon-hbo-black-lives-matter-george-floyd-protests-1234621292/ (https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/netflix-hulu-amazon-hbo-black-lives-matter-george-floyd-protests-1234621292/)
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 01:13:58 PM
So this narrative that this guy ran into a mob has been repeated. Too bad the only evidence of the encounter shows he ran, tried to de-escalate and was followed and beaten after being provoked.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's the full Dallas attempted murder video. <br><br>Mob throws rocks at man and chases him. Mob corners man and runs him down. Mob beats, kicks, curbstomps and stones him in the head and proceeds to run his pockets. <br><br> <a href="https://t.co/qp15h8wu2V">pic.twitter.com/qp15h8wu2V</a></p>— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) <a href="https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1266983252453019648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
But I get it, he's an unsympathetic figure because he brandished *gasp* a weapon. Let's see what else our glorious revolutionaries are up to.
Hey guy! You shouldn't have been out there counter-protesting all peacefully like that! How dare you brandish the weapon known as the American flag! Don't you know that stands for white supremacist violence!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is attempted murder. Antifa first suckerpunched and then stomped this elderly man for having the American flag. Then they did the same to a man who rushed to his defense, as seen in the other video I posted. <a href="https://t.co/3ZUzV5XDxO">pic.twitter.com/3ZUzV5XDxO</a></p>— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) <a href="https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1267046695742795777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
These people were literally cowering in their business. Don't worry though, I'm sure insurance we'll cover it, or we can always cover their medical bills with a GoFundme.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rioters in Rochester, NY brutally assaulted a husband and wife couple while vandalizing their store. <a href="https://t.co/sVKwAY0klO">pic.twitter.com/sVKwAY0klO</a></p>— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) <a href="https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1267021384732905472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Those store owners should have had a freaking gun.
Keep rationalizing and soft-shoeing this though, great look.
He’s an idiot for walking out there with a weapon alone. Just plain stupid. He’s unsympathetic for trying to use it to kill someone thinking he’s going to save the entire block.
You need to stop accusing everyone who disagrees with you for refusing to change their opinion when you blatantly refuse to consider anyone else’s. I explained my reasoning and not once did I say in that post that unprovoked attacks were justified. I said one guy with a machete vs. the entire crowd was only going to end one way and it came true when he tried to use it.
Stop coming at everyone with sarcasm. Stop insinuating everyone is using straw man arguments and then throwing up your own straw men arguments. I’ve already said intentional unprovoked attacks are wrong. No one said anyone counter-protesting or defending their business deserved to be beaten and attacked. I even offered to find a means to support those who had suffered property damage in the riots. Stop acting like I’m brushing it off completely just because it gets you the opportunity to be an poopchute on the board. This is the last bot of effort or thought I am putting into anything you write at this point.
Also fix your formatting, your links look like excrement.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 01:23:09 PM
https://twitter.com/keithmillermor1/status/1266963011329118208?s=21
Hard to watch.
Condoning/allowing these scenarios to continue to occur is freaking dangerous for everyone involved.
Just so I understand what I’m seeing:
-Someone is trapped underneath one of the tires of the truck
-Protestors are trying to get the truck to back up so they can get the person out
-Protestors start banging on the cab’s doors and windows to try and get the driver to listen
-Driver gets spooked, thinks he’s being attacked and takes off
-Twitter continues to show the worst in humanity
I get that right?
Hopefully the person trapped under the truck survived.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 31, 2020, 01:25:01 PM
i think any sane or normal person, in a situation like that, after being attacked and having stones or whatever it was hailed at him, would try to run away. i know i would. but this guy was not trying to run away, and saying that he was is a bit disingenuous. again, this isn't to try to justify or figure out what happened before, but he ended up running across the intersection, directly behind and after other protesters, while holding a sword. he wasn't trying to run away in the opposite direction from the mob he was facing. he wasn't trying to run home.
he took a non-linear path directly at and towards other assailants across that intersection. it's right there on video.
if i had the naivete to think walking outside into a protest with a machete was something that would turn out 'okay', and if all of that stuff happened to me and i started getting attacked, i wouldn't feel emboldened; i would literally drop the sword and run home. that is not what this guy did
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 01:28:42 PM
He’s an idiot for walking out there with a weapon alone. Just plain stupid. He’s unsympathetic for trying to use it to kill someone over...he likes a bar in the area?
You need to stop accusing everyone who disagrees with you for refusing to change their opinion when you blatantly refuse to consider anyone else’s. I explained my reasoning and not once did I say in that post that unprovoked attacks were justified. I said one guy with a machete vs. the entire crowd was only going to end one way and it came true when he tried to use it.
Stop coming at everyone with sarcasm. Stop insinuating everyone is using straw man arguments and then throwing up your own straw men arguments. I’ve already said intentional unprovoked attacks are wrong. No one said anyone counter-protesting or defending their business deserved to be beaten and attacked. I even offered to find a means to support those who had suffered property damage in the riots. Stop acting like I’m brushing it off completely just because it gets you the opportunity to be an poopchute on the board. This is the last bot of effort or thought I am putting into anything you write at this point.
Also fix your formatting, your links look like excrement.
I'm not throwing up any sort of strawman arguments. Of course you're not coming out and directly stating that you believe the looting and destruction of businesses and beating of people is right. That's the beauty of tacit support though, you can attempt to walk it back and not think that you're still rationalizing violence or that its not wrong to do.
I don't need to stop accusing "people to change their opinions" when their opinions are wrong in the face of verifiable fact. Going back to this old well, you can have the opinion that a bunch of kids provoked and mocked a Native American elder/veteran. You'd be wrong. But you can have that opinion.
I'm not blatantly refusing to consider everyone else's. I've considered the argument that a business being insured or our ability to GoFundme, somehow makes this sort of behavior defensible. And I've dismissed it.
I've considered the argument that people looking to protect what's there's from an angry mob shouldn't arm themselves in an effort of defense to prevent the scenes like the one above in Rochester. And I've dismissed it.
I don't even know why I'm addressing that criticism since it's pure projection. Law of mirrors applies.
Jesus I tried to only italicize one part of this and the whole thing wound up getting fucked. You're right. I do need to fix my formatting.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 01:33:27 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 31, 2020, 01:43:49 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 01:49:03 PM
Can we find another term for "straw man"? It's annoying and overused on here.
For the love of god, yes.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 01:54:14 PM
Protest-wise my neighborhood has been pretty calm.
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2020, 03:12:44 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 31, 2020, 03:15:30 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 31, 2020, 03:19:06 PM
We had a big protest march in Toronto yesterday, a few days ago a black woman fell from a 24th floor balcony to her death when police entered her apartment after reports of a dispute and the initial accusations were that the police had pushed her, so between that and what's going on in the US a lot of people were out yesterday. Thankfully it appears that they yelled, chanted, marched, waved placards and then went peacefully home.
you can wave bye-bye to all of that peace once antifa infiltrates all the ghandis in the GTA
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2020, 03:36:51 PM
you can wave bye-bye to all of that peace once antifa infiltrates all the ghandis in the GTA
We were dealing with infiltrator-orchestrated riots long before Twitter knew what antifa was, and back in the golden days when the idea of Trump being President would have been rejected in SNL writers' room as too stupid an idea.
https://news.wbfo.org/post/riots-streets-toronto-site-g20-summit
Post by: Heismanberg on May 31, 2020, 03:40:38 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 31, 2020, 03:52:14 PM
i don't know what happened as the initial event, but that guy was definitely attacked prior. nobody was denying that. i'm not here to justify what did or didn't happen, and i'm not here trying to figure it out. all that we know for sure is that this guy went out into the crowd brandishing a machete. it doesn't matter what happened first, or if he was 'directly threatening' anybody, but the act of walking around with a weapon in and of itself is a threat that may be felt by other people, and people started attacking him. i'm not here to justify any of it, but this is probably what happened. one thing we have directly from the horse's mouth is that he went out into the protests with a machete to meet the protesters head on.Good post.
i think any sane or normal person, in a situation like that, after being attacked and having stones or whatever it was hailed at him, would try to run away. i know i would. but this guy was not trying to run away, and saying that he was is a bit disingenuous. again, this isn't to try to justify or figure out what happened before, but he ended up running across the intersection, directly behind and after other protesters, while holding a sword. he wasn't trying to run away in the opposite direction from the mob he was facing. he wasn't trying to run home.
he took a non-linear path directly at and towards other assailants across that intersection. it's right there on video.
if i had the naivete to think walking outside into a protest with a machete was something that would turn out 'okay', and if all of that stuff happened to me and i started getting attacked, i wouldn't feel emboldened; i would literally drop the sword and run home. that is not what this guy did
The bottom line is that there are a lot of clips being posted from these protests/riots, and most of them are out of context, or most of them we don't have the facts for. There are clips of police beating up protesters who say they are protesting peacefully. That's probably true, but without the full video, we're just taking someone's word for what the context is.
Same with the sword video. Some blue check mark with a right wing YouTube channel posts a clip online saying that it "appears he attempted to defend a shop." TMZ and Breaking911 pick that up without vetting it at all. Then there's another video of him running after a kid with a sword. Then there's another video of people throwing rocks at him before he chases after a kid.
We don't know what happened, but it does sound like it wasn't actually his store. And if that's the case, there is zero reason to be on the street with a sword, other than to provoke people.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 31, 2020, 03:55:53 PM
We don't know what happened, but it does sound like it wasn't actually his store. And if that's the case, there is zero reason to be on the street with a sword, other than to provoke people.
He should've used a gun
Post by: reuben on May 31, 2020, 03:56:29 PM
Stolen from Reddit:
firing something at innocent person on their porch:
[https://streamable.com/u2jzoo](https://streamable.com/u2jzoo)
cop appearing to be enjoying himself today:
[https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151](https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151)
cop shooting something at guy for saying "freak you":
[https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151](https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151)
cops breaking supplies for peaceful protestors:
[https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151](https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151)
nypd driving into protestors:
[https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251](https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251) [https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod](https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod)
cops shoving an old dude to the ground:
[https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151](https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151)
police actively seeking out fights compilation:
[https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251](https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251)
cop driving at people aggressively on a campus:
[https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251](https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251)
cop shooting rubber bullets at people watching from apartment:
[https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah\_Mojarad/status/1266633046591078400?s=09](https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Mojarad/status/1266633046591078400?s=09)
police shooting the press with rubber bullets:
[https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151](https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151)
police arresting a CNN reporter:
[https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151](https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151)
police doing a drive-by pepper spraying
[https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609](https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609)
photographer being pepper sprayed:
[https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg](https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg)
guy with hands in the air gets his mask ripped off and pepper sprayed:
[https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251](https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251)
lady who was coming home with groceries who got a rubber bullet to the head:
[https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg](https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg)
[https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339675137](https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339675137)
reporter blinded by rubber bullets:
[https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266618525600399361?s=19](https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266618525600399361?s=19)
reporter describes getting tear gassed:
[https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/1266911382613692422](https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/1266911382613692422)
couple getting yanked out of their car and tased for violating curfew:
[https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1266919104574865410?s=19](https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1266919104574865410?s=19)
young woman gets shoved to the ground by officer:
[https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney\_hu/status/1266540710188195843?s=20](https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843?s=20)
reporter sheltering in gas station is pepper sprayed: [https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317](https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317)
reporter trying to get home gets window shot out: [https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778](https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778)
cops come at a guy for filming a police car burning:
[https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229](https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229)
photographer arrested:
[https://youtu.be/9wgkGLmphLE](https://youtu.be/9wgkGLmphLE)
Columbus police assaulting protestors:
[https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610](https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610)
congresswoman sprayed with pepper spray during protest:
[https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pepper-sprayed-columbus-protest/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pepper-sprayed-columbus-protest/index.html)
7 protesters fired on with rubber bullets:
[https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151](https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151)
cops pepper spraying a group of protestors without provocation [https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251](https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251)
young child allegedly pepper sprayed:
[https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-over-face-of-child-pepper-sprayed-in-seattle-protest](https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-over-face-of-child-pepper-sprayed-in-seattle-protest)
horse tramples young woman, police investigating: [https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/30/watch-video-captures-moment-police-horse-tramples-woman-during-houston-rally/](https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/30/watch-video-captures-moment-police-horse-tramples-woman-during-houston-rally/)
cop pushes protestor with his bike
[https://twitter.com/ava/status/1266797973834395648?s=20](https://twitter.com/ava/status/1266797973834395648?s=20)
Reuters reporters detail being shot at with rubber bullets:
[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protest-update/reuters-cameraman-hit-by-rubber-bullets-as-police-disperse-protesters-idUSKBN237050](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protest-update/reuters-cameraman-hit-by-rubber-bullets-as-police-disperse-protesters-idUSKBN237050)
freak the police
I can't even wrap my head around all this. It's like they've been given the green light to be as brutal as they've always wanted to be.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 31, 2020, 04:12:13 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 04:16:24 PM
the guy that got dragged underneath that fedex truck is dead
Well that's awful.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 04:26:09 PM
Just so I understand what I’m seeing:
-Someone is trapped underneath one of the tires of the truck
-Protestors are trying to get the truck to back up so they can get the person out
-Protestors start banging on the cab’s doors and windows to try and get the driver to listen
-Driver gets spooked, thinks he’s being attacked and takes off
-Twitter continues to show the worst in humanity
I get that right?
Hopefully the person trapped under the truck survived.
From what I saw, they were trying to loot/hijack the truck, the driver got spooked and took off, never knew he had anyone underneath the tires.
No matter what actually happened, these situations are all extremely dangerous for both the protestors and the civilians
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 04:31:50 PM
Quote
St. Louis Police said the driver stopped due to a large gathering of protesters. While he was stopped, several people gained access to the first trailer and started to remove items.
Two men, "while standing on the passenger side footboard of the truck cab, displayed guns to the driver. The driver, fearing for his safety, sounded the airhorn and drove off until he was stopped by police," Sgt. Keith Barrett said in a statement.
The driver didn't realize that a person was stuck on the converter dolly between the two trailers, police said. The man had been caught by the trailer tire, pulled under and was eventually run over by the tire.
Authorities are now investigating the incident but they believe the man who died appeared to be one of the protesters.
Post by: MBGreen on May 31, 2020, 04:51:26 PM
Post by: reuben on May 31, 2020, 05:12:01 PM
What if the govt hands out bags of tostitos to deter the civil unrest?
Dem hint of lime ones? Peace in our time.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 31, 2020, 05:21:27 PM
What if the govt hands out bags of tostitos to deter the civil unrest?"Thank you for your protest"
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
Picture is a little dark but I cannot see anyone with a gun in the video. The dude on the passenger side footbed was definitely telling him to back the truck up while he was pounding on the window. Driver might have been panicking too hard to concentrate on what they were saying.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 05:24:46 PM
Dem hint of lime ones? Peace in our time.
Sounds like a Kardashian/Jenmer commercial.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 31, 2020, 05:29:50 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 05:56:28 PM
Same with the sword video. Some blue check mark with a right wing YouTube channel posts a clip online saying that it "appears he attempted to defend a shop." TMZ and Breaking911 pick that up without vetting it at all.
How do you know it wasn't vetted by the time it gets to TMZ? Because some mildly milquetoast conservative is the source?
Furthermore, the video is the video. what needs to be vetted?
If only you were half as skeptical of legacy media as you were "blue check marks with a right wing youtube channel"
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 05:57:48 PM
the guy that got dragged underneath that fedex truck is dead
I sure hope the insurance company can reimburse him, otherwise we can always start a GoFundme.
Post by: MBGreen on May 31, 2020, 06:03:12 PM
I sure hope the insurance company can reimburse him, otherwise we can always start a GoFundme.That’s how life insurance works....reimbursement in case of accidental death.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 06:14:29 PM
That’s how life insurance works....reimbursement in case of accidental death.
He'll be living large spending it!
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 07:01:48 PM
It’s funny but I don’t get the reference.Nathan For You, check it out
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 07:02:44 PM
Nathan For You, check it out
Everyone do this immediately
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 07:05:20 PM
Everyone do this immediatelyRight after getting your heads on straight about government overreach
Post by: MBGreen on May 31, 2020, 07:07:45 PM
He'll be living large spending it!It’s not meant for him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 07:17:08 PM
Right after getting your heads on straight about government overreach
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/85d8dd424715b5791fefd4eb9b133bda/tumblr_oweucdfgqB1s7tb62o2_250.gifv)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 08:15:47 PM
Bahahaha
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 08:26:53 PM
https://twitter.com/sgrate__/status/1267188986285568002?s=21
Bahahaha
Not a good choice of words.
Or person, probably.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 08:31:08 PM
Charge him with terrorism
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 08:34:04 PM
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1267229440477716482?s=21
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 08:35:51 PM
https://twitter.com/s_allahverdi/status/1267240521052946432?s=21
Charge him with terrorism
What was with the mother fucker at the end?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 08:35:53 PM
JR SMITH DONT MISS
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 31, 2020, 08:40:12 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 08:49:52 PM
https://twitter.com/krhogan_ntd/status/1266952860299857921?s=21
https://twitter.com/mel_faith1/status/1267011552206520324?s=21
https://twitter.com/ali/status/1266622746571800576?s=21
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 09:18:28 PM
west philly is getting hit hard right now. all i've seen/heard out the window for the past couple of hours is cops/choppers/fire sirens
Have they torn down the Rizzo statue yet?
Post by: IATA on May 31, 2020, 09:26:51 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 09:43:18 PM
Curfew goes on at 11 PM. We’ll see what that brings.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 09:54:17 PM
https://twitter.com/legendaryenergy/status/1267223449715355649?s=21
JR SMITH DONT MISS
https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1267212674443730945?s=21
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 10:10:19 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/gu22xo/i_didnt_know_they_would_try_to_destroy_my_property/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share (https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/gu22xo/i_didnt_know_they_would_try_to_destroy_my_property/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Post by: IATA on May 31, 2020, 11:09:12 PM
@_popaboywillie
White police officer throws a girl who is already on her hands and knees BUT a BLACK QUEEN officer steps in to check him ✊🏾#share #protests2020
Post by: IATA on May 31, 2020, 11:12:29 PM
DC: Historic St. John's Church across Lafayette Square from the White House has been set ablaze by rioters tonight
https://twitter.com/BreakingNews_GO/status/1267302632281919488
lulz
Post by: IATA on May 31, 2020, 11:13:08 PM
@ACSOSheriffs
Reports of a Tiger on the loose near the Oakland Zoo. If you see it call 911. 98th Ave at Golf Links.
holy excrement lmao
ahh boo it nvm
Alameda County Sheriff
Tigers are all accounted for at the Oakland Zoo. They just checked and confirmed.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 11:22:57 PM
@BreakingNews_GO
DC: Historic St. John's Church across Lafayette Square from the White House has been set ablaze by rioters tonight
https://twitter.com/BreakingNews_GO/status/1267302632281919488
lulz
Well that's shitty.
A LOT of conflicting reports that the church is on fire. The AFL-CIO building definitely is.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 11:53:06 PM
@BreakingNews_GO
DC: Historic St. John's Church across Lafayette Square from the White House has been set ablaze by rioters tonight
https://twitter.com/BreakingNews_GO/status/1267302632281919488
lulz
That's funny?
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 12:13:23 AM
That's funny?At least now we finally know who is pulling the strings behind ANTIFA: Varg Vikernes
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 12:20:00 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 12:32:43 AM
At least now we finally know who is pulling the strings behind ANTIFA: Varg Vikernes
That's a pretty obscure reference.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 01, 2020, 02:09:53 AM
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1267339148723019776
Post by: delavan on June 01, 2020, 02:15:45 AM
@BreakingNews_GO
DC: Historic St. John's Church across Lafayette Square from the White House has been set ablaze by rioters tonight
https://twitter.com/BreakingNews_GO/status/1267302632281919488
lulz
lulz?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 05:52:18 AM
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RICHMOND, Va. (WWBT) - Richmond Police Chief Will Smith got emotional during a press conference after the second night of protests in the city.
Chief Smith says last night protesters set fire to a few buildings, including a multi-family residence that was occupied by a child in the 300 block of West Broad Street.
As fire crews were arriving, Smith says protesters blocked the engine from reaching the fire.
“When you take a legitimate issue and hijack it for unknown reasons, that is unacceptable to me, it’s unacceptable to the Richmond Police Department, unacceptable to the city of Richmond,” said Smith.
While chocking up, Smith said officers were fortunate enough to make it inside the structure to rescue the child and family.
It’s fun to cheer on these riots from the internet until it’s your house with your kid on fire
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 06:32:25 AM
Defacing a WW2 memorial to own the facists
Also, yes, black veterans literally have a monument/memorial dedicated to them
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 06:35:45 AM
https://twitter.com/HaydenWDRB/status/1267262052294447105?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 06:51:57 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 06:53:10 AM
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1267324994327056384?s=21
Bold Prediction: cops are gonna keep doing dumb excrement throughout the course of this
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 08:21:31 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 08:41:48 AM
Just want to applaud everyone who sprinted as quickly as possible from "racist police brutality remains unchecked and this demands extraordinary action" to "well actually both sides are bad so who can really say?"
https://twitter.com/pmdawnstan/status/1267138798963564545?s=21
Everyone is woke until it affects them personally
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 08:42:02 AM
https://twitter.com/nationalmallnps/status/1267124873085804544?s=21
Defacing a WW2 memorial to own the facists
Also, yes, black veterans literally have a monument/memorial dedicated to them
This sucks but it's paint. It comes off.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 08:42:32 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 08:50:13 AM
“Both sides”
Clearly there are more than 2 sides lol
Post by: bojanglesman on June 01, 2020, 08:54:22 AM
My MAGA coworker cried this morning on Zoom because someone defaced the Stevie Ray Vaughan statue.He had some good tunes. RIP statue.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 08:54:54 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA4Zr1NDp1X/?igshid=1wzcwafha0pa7
“Both sides”
Clearly there are more than 2 sides lol
WTF? That woman is 100% right, that excrement could get young black men and women killed. WTF are these people thinking?
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 09:02:10 AM
Midtown Global Market (https://www.gofundme.com/f/midtown-global-market)
We Love Lake Street (https://www.welovelakestreet.com/)
Midway United Fund (https://www.givemn.org/story/Nufc)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 09:49:41 AM
Hahaha
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 09:50:37 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 09:59:02 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 10:01:47 AM
Quote
A man in Louisville was shot and killed by police just after midnight Monday morning, reports the CBS affiliate there, WLKY-TV. Officers say they were fired at before opening fire. It came on a night when demonstrators protested George Floyd's killing.
Police said they were trying to clear a large crowd in a parking lot, WLKY says.
The station reports that an onlooker said people at the scene weren't protesting and were just ignoring the city's curfew. It wasn't clear whether the dead man was a suspect in what authorities said was the initial gunfire.
CBS
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:03:37 AM
C'mon son
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 10:14:02 AM
Just want to applaud everyone who sprinted as quickly as possible from "racist police brutality remains unchecked and this demands extraordinary action" to "well actually both sides are bad so who can really say?"
You can think simultaneously that police reform is needed while simultaneously expressing a shred of morality in the face of people getting dragged out of their businesses and beaten.
They are not incongruent.
My best friends very preggo sister had to leave her apartment in Atlanta and go to her parents in Florida, during a pandemic. Great.
Why am I not allowed to condemn that excrement without someone obnoxiously telling me "DoNt TeLl BlAcK PeOpLe HoW tO reAct" as if the point hasn't already been established that the rioting and looting is far from the exclusive domain of black protesters.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 10:15:14 AM
Out there looting Vans with slides on
C'mon son
It’s a rookie mistake and you hate to see it happen.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:18:31 AM
My best friends very preggo sister had to leave her apartment in Atlanta and go to her parents in Florida, during a pandemic. Great.
Why did she have to leave her apartment?
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 10:21:09 AM
Why did she have to leave her apartment?
Because there was a mob of people looting and destroying the bakery down below.
But sure it was because "black people are scary."
Like how does that happen, where this is the logic you immediately jump to?
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 10:21:58 AM
timely
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:24:31 AM
Because there was a mob of people looting and destroying the bakery down below.
So she had to leave because people are stealing bread?
Is it on fire? Is the building being evacuated? If so, that makes sense.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 10:24:36 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 10:47:30 AM
Based Jon Jones
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 10:49:18 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 10:50:05 AM
https://twitter.com/mmafullmount/status/1267335353050030085?s=21
Based Jon Jones
White people are seriously pissing me off.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 11:02:37 AM
https://twitter.com/mmafullmount/status/1267335353050030085?s=21
Based Jon Jones
I was waiting for him to punch them all in the face
Post by: Miamipuck on June 01, 2020, 11:27:53 AM
He had some good tunes. RIP statue.He's one of the best musicians ever and played with all the great blues guitarists of the time, all of them black. So as usual another stupid result of all of this.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 11:34:33 AM
. He's one of the best musicians ever and played with all the great blues guitarists of the time, all of them black. So as usual another stupid result of all of this.
I mean they washed it off in 15 minutes, so it's not like the statue was destroyed
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 11:37:10 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 11:50:12 AM
https://twitter.com/shunnedartie/status/1267299244995522560?s=21
https://twitter.com/shehadeh_salem/status/1267272621948719105?s=21
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 11:52:49 AM
https://twitter.com/shehadeh_salem/status/1267272621948719105?s=21
I saw this on Twitter last night.
Someone said he fell like the toys in Toy Story when Andy comes home
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 11:57:36 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 12:03:27 PM
This bitch is absolutely going to die on a live InfoWars stream
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 12:12:20 PM
https://twitter.com/kennedy_mp3/status/1267227489706872843?s=21
This bitch is absolutely going to die on a live InfoWars stream
The Disney music tactic is genius.
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 12:13:40 PM
https://twitter.com/kennedy_mp3/status/1267227489706872843?s=21
This bitch is absolutely going to die on a live InfoWars stream
https://twitter.com/kaitlinshits/status/1266786976620920832
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 12:16:14 PM
https://twitter.com/kaitlinshits/status/1266786976620920832
It’s my fault for not guessing what that was going to be based on the URL.
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 12:24:22 PM
Some people are woke until the slightest breeze gives them an excuse not to be
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 01, 2020, 12:58:54 PM
Because there was a mob of people looting and destroying the bakery down below.People broke into the CVS across the street from me and the Whole Foods below me. There were wild scenes here on Thursday night. That Whole Foods was open the next morning.
But sure it was because "black people are scary."
Like how does that happen, where this is the logic you immediately jump to?
Friday night, I walked around downtown, and other than graffiti and some boarded up buildings, it wasn't that bad.
Last night, a tank was driving up my street. This morning, everything is pretty much fine. Tonight, who knows.
There is nothing wrong with her leaving. I thought about leaving, too, though I've been meaning to visit home for months, and this would have been a good excuse. Maybe her situation is worse than what I had here, and being a woman causes more things to worry about, but I doubt she HAD to leave. Just stay inside at night and be careful.
Post by: delavan on June 01, 2020, 01:06:26 PM
It’s my fault for not guessing what that was going to be based on the URL.https://twitter.com/kaitlinshits/status/1266786976620920832
That wasn't a hair extension?
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 01:07:12 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 01:07:36 PM
https://twitter.com/kaitlinshits/status/1266786976620920832
That wasn't a hair extension?
Stop it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 01, 2020, 01:18:34 PM
I keep seeing people posting about tanks on their streets and then posting videos containing hummers and trucks. Are there actually tanks rolling around LA?I'm not an expert on what the proper terminology for this vehicle is - I just know I don't see many vehicles like this rolling up my street normally.
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1267339148723019776
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 01:21:10 PM
More black people are dying and it’s not even hitting the news cycle
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 01:21:49 PM
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omaha, nebraska is about to blow. at a 1:30pm cdt press conference the douglas county attorney will announce his decision not to prosecute jake gardner for the murder of james scurlock. the downtown area has been evacuated. this is a freaking travesty.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 01:33:40 PM
I know I sound privileged saying that this is unbelievable because it is exactly what these protests are about but holy excrement.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 02:26:02 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 02:26:26 PM
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 02:38:30 PM
@Breaking911
BREAKING: Attorney says family-commissioned autopsy shows George Floyd died of `asphyxia due to neck and back compression' - AP
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 02:42:43 PM
Breaking911Let's not jump to conclusions
@Breaking911
BREAKING: Attorney says family-commissioned autopsy shows George Floyd died of `asphyxia due to neck and back compression' - AP
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 02:48:49 PM
Let's not jump to conclusions
Is the significance of the autopsy to get further confirmation that government lies or is it in the hopes that charges will be upgraded?
Obviously the family deserves to truthfully know how he died. But assuming the independent coroner is right, this has to be the biggest non-surprise since Pennington got hurt the year after playing all 16 games and leading Miami to a division title.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 02:50:17 PM
Breaking911
@Breaking911
BREAKING: Attorney says family-commissioned autopsy shows George Floyd died of `asphyxia due to neck and back compression' - AP
Color me shocked.
EDIT: Quoted the wrong post.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 03:05:07 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2020, 03:06:51 PM
Is the significance of the autopsy to get further confirmation that government lies or is it in the hopes that charges will be upgraded?
Obviously the family deserves to truthfully know how he died. But assuming the independent coroner is right, this has to be the biggest non-surprise since Pennington got hurt the year after playing all 16 games and leading Miami to a division title.
I saw an autopsy report the other day saying that he had underlying conditions and that they were the likely cause of death, but I didn't recognise the source so didn't share it; the fact that I haven't seen or heard about it since would suggest that it was bogus.
As to upgraded charges, you'd know this better than me but by my reading 3rd degree murder sounds pretty much exactly right. I'm not sure I can see, absent other evidence, how you'd make a case for 2nd.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 03:11:52 PM
I saw an autopsy report the other day saying that he had underlying conditions and that they were the likely cause of death, but I didn't recognise the source so didn't share it; the fact that I haven't seen or heard about it since would suggest that it was bogus.
As to upgraded charges, you'd know this better than me but by my reading 3rd degree murder sounds pretty much exactly right. I'm not sure I can see, absent other evidence, how you'd make a case for 2nd.
Quote
The independent autopsy's findings come after the Hennepin County Medical Examiner found "no physical findings" to "support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation," according to the criminal complaint.
Preliminary autopsy results cited in the complaint said combined effects of being restrained, any potential intoxicants in Floyd's system and his underlying health issues, including heart disease, probably contributed to his death. Toxicology results can take weeks.
CNN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 03:13:26 PM
Quote
the medical examiner in Minneapolis said George Floyd's existing health conditions – coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease- contributed to his death. But the independent medical examiner says he was healthy.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 03:15:53 PM
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 03:43:52 PM
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 05:51:30 PM
trump is speaking to the press with explosions in the background
National Guard units have been shipped into the White House, and the protesters in neighbouring Lafayette Park, who were peaceful (albeit loud), have been violently advanced on by police and rounds of tear gas have been fired into the crowd. And now the rubber bullets are being lobbed and mounted police are riding in.
He's authorizing people to defend themselves with 2nd amendment.
Threatening to invoke Insurrection Act of 1807, if states or towns refuse to take the military aid.
"Dispatching heavily armed soldiers, police, and personnel to protect life and property."
Martial law, in effect everywhere
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 05:52:52 PM
i did not anticipate it being cops vs the people, but alas, here we are
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 05:58:49 PM
there ya, attack the media.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 05:59:15 PM
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 06:07:05 PM
Post by: reuben on June 01, 2020, 06:52:52 PM
holy excrement its civil war 3
civil war 3
When was civil war 2?
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 06:53:59 PM
When was civil war 2?
Tommy vs. IJR
Post by: MBGreen on June 01, 2020, 06:54:56 PM
Tommy vs. IJRAnd now...Tommy calls IJR “Dad”
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 01, 2020, 07:11:11 PM
June 2020: "Let's let the national guard run the streets and submit to military and governmental control."
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 07:29:37 PM
May 2020: "Don't let the government tell me what to do, I'm going to go outside, I'm not going to wear a mask, and if you don't like it, freak you, 'MERICA!"
June 2020: "Let's let the national guard run the streets and submit to military and governmental control."
May 2020: "If you protest you are literally a traitor to this nation and you are putting everyone at risk."
June 2020: "RiOtS ArE ThE VoIce Of ThE uNhEaRd."
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 07:36:10 PM
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 08:07:42 PM
Tommy vs. IJR
obviously jeez
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 08:23:34 PM
When was civil war 2?Captain America vs Iron Man
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 08:24:18 PM
May 2020: "If you protest you are literally a traitor to this nation and you are putting everyone at risk."Some things are more important than reopening Fuddruckers
June 2020: "RiOtS ArE ThE VoIce Of ThE uNhEaRd."
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 08:24:25 PM
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 08:25:20 PM
https://twitter.com/IfyNwadiwe/status/1267539178985672705?s=19
https://twitter.com/MamoudouNDiaye/status/1267545614356819973
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2020, 09:17:05 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 10:31:49 PM
How is the bakery doing?
You don't want to do that.
You don't want to make light of a personal situation that I shared on here.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 10:35:51 PM
You don't want to do that.
You don't want to make light of a personal situation that I shared on here.
This sounds like a threat.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 10:37:38 PM
https://twitter.com/blk_dnt_crack/status/1267639482821611531?s=21
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:40:59 PM
This sounds like a threat.
I wonder if he'll use a sword or an AR-15
Oh wait, those aren't actual threats
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 11:12:59 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 12:07:12 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 12:22:37 AM
https://twitter.com/sarahemilybaum/status/1267636306672312328?s=09 (https://twitter.com/sarahemilybaum/status/1267636306672312328?s=09)
These cops are fascists.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 02, 2020, 01:59:44 AM
This sounds like a threat.
It's not a threat. I just think its a pretty shitty thing to do that's all, and I wrote it in the hopes that maybe he'd say "yeah, you're right." There's no need to do that, as personal as it can get I'd like to think there are some lines here. I hope anyway.
https://twitter.com/BrutumF/status/1267575655509577728?s=19 (https://twitter.com/BrutumF/status/1267575655509577728?s=19)
https://twitter.com/sarahemilybaum/status/1267636306672312328?s=09 (https://twitter.com/sarahemilybaum/status/1267636306672312328?s=09)
These cops are fascists.
That first cop is a lover of the older lady who needs to be charged with assault ASAP.
But you might want to go down that twitter thread...people are interjecting themselves by apparently using "jammers" including someone ordering a burger with "extra bacon"
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 02:40:35 AM
It's not a threat. I just think its a pretty shitty thing to do that's all, and I wrote it in the hopes that maybe he'd say "yeah, you're right." There's no need to do that, as personal as it can get I'd like to think there are some lines here. I hope anyway.
That first cop is a lover of the older lady who needs to be charged with assault ASAP.
But you might want to go down that twitter thread...people are interjecting themselves by apparently using "jammers" including someone
ordering a burger with "extra bacon"
The jammers don't excuse the cops. And she's h
Gone through and deleted some of them.
These cops are fascists.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2020, 06:02:46 AM
https://twitter.com/poppeththypusey/status/1267681753730293760?s=21
https://twitter.com/hul10/status/1267702370105913344?s=21
https://twitter.com/murphypix/status/1267491642921160711?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2020, 06:03:19 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2020, 06:17:29 AM
I never thought the leopards would eat MY face
https://twitter.com/masterchris05/status/1267635438921158656?s=21
Quote
Just know that Fordham is 69.8% Hispanic and 23.9% black. The average household makes $28.6k A YEAR. PLEASE STOP HURTING COMMUNITIES THAT ALREADY SUFFER FROM SYSTEMATIC OPPRESSION!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2020, 06:38:31 AM
Holy excrement
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2020, 07:11:20 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 02, 2020, 07:11:55 AM
I'm starting to think SFD is a twitter bot.He's from Russier.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2020, 07:24:06 AM
I'm starting to think SFD is a twitter bot.
https://twitter.com/4kyungmin/status/1267680999145533441?s=21
Post by: Heismanberg on June 02, 2020, 08:21:33 AM
It's not a threat. I just think its a pretty shitty thing to do that's all, and I wrote it in the hopes that maybe he'd say "yeah, you're right." There's no need to do that, as personal as it can get I'd like to think there are some lines here. I hope anyway.
You still haven't acknowledged that you confused my post with IATA's.
I legitimately asked why she was leaving and you had a tantrum about it.
There are some lines here? You tried to use another poster's Facebook profile picture in an attempt to call me fat.
You are batshit.
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2020, 09:38:06 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 02, 2020, 09:38:51 AM
lmfao
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2020, 09:39:59 AM
joe biden is at city hall in philadelphia speaking about the protests
lmfao
Give him the "win" now. Don't bother waiting until Nov.
Post by: Badger on June 02, 2020, 09:45:27 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2020, 10:39:22 AM
https://twitter.com/lowkeysinistra/status/1267109420955086848?s=21
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 10:58:30 AM
Breaking: dumbass accidentally takes correct stance on cops(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200602/f3d25465d4176d567800ad502be42d2d.jpg)
Should I know who this dipshit is?
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2020, 11:00:13 AM
Should I know who this dipshit is?
it's Steve Crowder
Post by: mj2sexay on June 02, 2020, 11:00:38 AM
You still haven't acknowledged that you confused my post with IATA's.
I legitimately asked why she was leaving and you had a tantrum about it.
There are some lines here? You tried to use another poster's Facebook profile picture in an attempt to call me fat.
You are batshit.
Literally none of this comment is true.
I did acknowledge it. You should go back and read my posts. You should also read my posts as to why she left. Her building was being looted and she's pregnant. She doesn't need to worry about
I did explain why she left. Downtown Atlanta where she lives is a hellhole in terms of people looting and rioting. It reached her building. She didn't feel safe. That is a reasonable take to have.
You have castigated my entire family on here, unprovoked, up to and including wishing death on them before anyone here got personal. Stop playing victim.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 02, 2020, 11:06:01 AM
I did explain why she left.
AFTER you said I made it racial when it wasn't even me that made the comment.
I don't need to go back in read your posts. You hilariously got me mixed with another poster here and started calling me fat out of nowhere. At first, I didn't know what was up but then I had an ah ha moment and realized what you had done. Pretty funny.
The bolded portion of my post is completely true. You were just mistaken and now you have egg (and probably some other snacks) on your face.
Follow the path:
Why did she have to leave her apartment?
Post by: reuben on June 02, 2020, 11:09:16 AM
Breaking: dumbass accidentally takes correct stance on cops(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200602/f3d25465d4176d567800ad502be42d2d.jpg)
r/selfawarewolves
Post by: Heismanberg on June 02, 2020, 11:10:35 AM
Quote
You have castigated my entire family on here, unprovoked, up to and including wishing death on them before anyone here got personal. Stop playing victim.
You took it personally when you lumped your family into "everyone who voted for Trump"
Pretty sure I didn't mention your family specifically, but I stand by what I said about Trump supporters (yourself and your family included) being racist. There's no changing my mind on that.
Now I did "denigrate" your parents but please remember, this is just a football message board.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 02, 2020, 11:38:07 AM
AFTER you said I made it racial when it wasn't even me that made the comment.
I don't need to go back in read your posts. You hilariously got me mixed with another poster here and started calling me fat out of nowhere. At first, I didn't know what was up but then I had an ah ha moment and realized what you had done. Pretty funny.
The bolded portion of my post is completely true. You were just mistaken and now you have egg (and probably some other snacks) on your face.
Follow the path:
You took it personally when you lumped your family into "everyone who voted for Trump"
Pretty sure I didn't mention your family specifically, but I stand by what I said about Trump supporters (yourself and your family included) being racist. There's no changing my mind on that.
Now I did "denigrate" your parents but please remember, this is just a football message board.
I literally answered that and acknowledged that I had mixed up the post. This all happened, there's no egg on my face.
Yeah, I sure did. My family voted for Trump.
I'm not trying to change your mind, nor care how you reconcile that stupidity with the black and hispanic Trump voters and supporters that exist. You want to feel that way, fine. You continually goading me about it when it bleeds into other threads such as my suggestion the Knicks hire Thibs is just another reason why I don't apologize for excrement I say to you.
Yeah, you sure did. On a football message board. My freaking parents.
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2020, 11:42:48 AM
Trump is literally burning your country down to the ground...right after bungling a pandemic response that killed thousands of Americans.
I literally answered that and acknowledged that I had mixed up the post. This all happened, there's no egg on my face.
Yeah, I sure did. My family voted for Trump.
I'm not trying to change your mind, nor care how you reconcile that stupidity with the black and hispanic Trump voters and supporters that exist.
Yeah, you sure did. On a football message board.
And he’s a major hoo-ha.
Post by: Johnny English on June 02, 2020, 11:49:41 AM
And he’s a major hoo-ha.
What are you talking about? This is a man who would definitely run unarmed into a school to deal with a shooter. He said as much.
Post by: IATA on June 02, 2020, 12:04:37 PM
AFTER you said I made it racial when it wasn't even me that made the comment.
I don't need to go back in read your posts. You hilariously got me mixed with another poster here and started calling me fat out of nowhere. At first, I didn't know what was up but then I had an ah ha moment and realized what you had done. Pretty funny.
The bolded portion of my post is completely true. You were just mistaken and now you have egg (and probably some other snacks) on your face.
Follow the path:
does he think i'm actually a potato?
Post by: Heismanberg on June 02, 2020, 12:17:35 PM
I literally answered that and acknowledged that I had mixed up the post.
When and where?
Post by: mj2sexay on June 02, 2020, 12:44:47 PM
Trump is literally burning your country down to the ground...right after bungling a pandemic response that killed thousands of Americans.
And he’s a major hoo-ha.
Perhaps you and your family should research the candidates a little more thoroughly in Nov.
I'm glad your perception (which I'd argue is off-base) is somehow justification for hoping my freaking family dies of COVID.
Don't fuckin high hand or try to patronize me dude.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 02, 2020, 01:19:50 PM
lol my perception.
What freaking alternate dimension do you live in?
EDIT: I haven't threatened your family in any way shape or form....but they (like yourself) made a poor choice. That's fact. And you can save any deflections that your cerebral cortex conjures up in defense.....I'll save you the trouble, there is no defense.
That's not a fact. Not even close to a fact. That is your PERCEPTION. That is subjective.
I'm not deflecting anything, I'm saying what is.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 02, 2020, 01:23:48 PM
Post by: delavan on June 02, 2020, 02:08:01 PM
Oh and I think Texas is waiting on an answer... : -)
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 03:12:07 PM
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I find it baffling and reprehensible that any Catholic facility would allow itself to be so egregiously misused and manipulated in a fashion that violates our religious principles, which call us to defend the rights of all people even those with whom we might disagree. Saint Pope John Paul II was an ardent defender of the rights and dignity of human beings. His legacy bears vivid witness to that truth. He certainly would not condone the use of tear gas and other deterrents to silence, scatter or intimidate them for a photo opportunity in front of a place of worship and peace.
Source (https://adw.org/news/archbishop-wilton-gregory-issues-statement-on-planned-presidential-visit/)
Post by: Badger on June 02, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
Should I know who this dipshit is?RW internet personality. You may know him from these: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/steven-crowders-change-my-mind-campus-sign
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 03:16:04 PM
RW internet personality. You may know him from these: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/steven-crowders-change-my-mind-campus-sign
Gotcha. There’s one of him getting punched in the face at some kind of rally. I like that.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 02, 2020, 04:02:41 PM
Gotcha. There’s one of him getting punched in the face at some kind of rally. I like that.
How dare he go to a rally and peacefully challenge people on their views.
Post by: reuben on June 02, 2020, 04:10:01 PM
Six down, six hundred thousand to go.
Can we just RICO all of them?
Post by: IATA on June 02, 2020, 04:11:17 PM
freaking piece of excrement cops
Post by: reuben on June 02, 2020, 04:13:41 PM
^^ Beat me to it IATA
Post by: Heismanberg on June 02, 2020, 04:14:07 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 02, 2020, 04:23:12 PM
How dare he go to a rally and peacefully challenge police on their views.
Whatever you say Coach Z.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 02, 2020, 04:50:06 PM
Whatever you say Coach Z.
Got me
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 02, 2020, 05:06:27 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 02, 2020, 05:08:16 PM
On a side note, this #BlackoutTuesday trend on social media is so freaking stupid.
Racist
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 05:09:38 PM
Got me
WhAt’S iT lIkE gEtTiNg ToTaLlY OwNeD, lIb?
Post by: Johnny English on June 02, 2020, 06:17:59 PM
Post by: reuben on June 02, 2020, 06:31:40 PM
You do you, Houston.
Your state is freaking weird, Heismanberg.
Post by: Johnny English on June 02, 2020, 06:34:49 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/gvewke/the_rohirrim_for_george_floyd_ride_to_a_peaceful/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/gvewke/the_rohirrim_for_george_floyd_ride_to_a_peaceful/)
You do you, Houston.
Your state is freaking weird, Heismanberg.
Houston's been pretty cool, their police have been marching with the protesters which I think is an outstanding thing to do on multiple levels. A few other cities have done similar.
Post by: delavan on June 02, 2020, 06:35:17 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/gvewke/the_rohirrim_for_george_floyd_ride_to_a_peaceful/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/gvewke/the_rohirrim_for_george_floyd_ride_to_a_peaceful/)Pretty cool
pretty not cool
https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1267948823336402944
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 06:48:18 PM
https://apnews.com/878c149e1107abfcabe762a1c9915ba0 (https://apnews.com/878c149e1107abfcabe762a1c9915ba0)
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 07:58:09 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jamal-adams-george-floyd-statement-20200602-mcywqwr4o5gzxc2epqed6xi2ya-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jamal-adams-george-floyd-statement-20200602-mcywqwr4o5gzxc2epqed6xi2ya-story.html)
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 08:13:03 PM
This is scary. No badges, name tapes, or identifying insignia. These look like State Dept contractors deployed on American soil.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 02, 2020, 08:19:23 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 08:32:49 PM
Man, I thought I would need to buy noise-canceling headphones for flights, not for sitting outside to cancel out cop chopper noise.
I've got army helos flying low enough to the ground to knock over trees.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2020, 08:35:09 PM
The Bronx
Post by: IATA on June 02, 2020, 08:37:25 PM
https://twitter.com/dfriedman33/status/1267936203522932738?s=21 (https://twitter.com/dfriedman33/status/1267936203522932738?s=21)
This is scary. No badges, name tapes, or identifying insignia. These look like State Dept contractors deployed on American soil.
these dudes are 100% procured via eric prince, hes a world class piece of excrement who should have had a bullett through his skull a long time ago for all the atrocities he's committed for money.
keep your bullshit across the border, we dont freaking want it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2020, 09:46:20 PM
Citizen with the assist
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 09:59:49 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2020, 10:58:37 PM
The incident was reported Tuesday night after 9 p.m. at the Kingsborough Houses at Rochester Avenue and Bergen Street.
Police say a suspect shot at least one, possibly two people.
Officers found the suspect up the block hiding behind trees with a gun in his hands.
Police ordered him to drop the gun for over a minute, and when he did not comply, approximately 10 officers fired their weapons, officials aid.
Law enforcement sources tell Eyewitness News that the suspect has died.
The original gunshot victim was taken to a local hospital and was said to be stable.”
Video:
https://twitter.com/humble_chase/status/1267999630165409801?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2020, 11:21:39 PM
Lol
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 11:36:20 PM
https://twitter.com/Toure/status/1268037803956490244?s=19 (https://twitter.com/Toure/status/1268037803956490244?s=19)
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 12:02:54 AM
"I YIELD MY TIME"
https://twitter.com/secupp/status/1268028342143516672?s=19 (https://twitter.com/secupp/status/1268028342143516672?s=19)
Cowards. All of them.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 03, 2020, 01:00:57 AM
https://twitter.com/23rdButterfly/status/1267986452471787523?s=19 (https://twitter.com/23rdButterfly/status/1267986452471787523?s=19)
"I YIELD MY TIME"
https://twitter.com/secupp/status/1268028342143516672?s=19 (https://twitter.com/secupp/status/1268028342143516672?s=19)
Cowards. All of them.
S.E. Cupp is a propagandist and not a serious journalist who works for a network that should've been burnt to the freaking ground.
This is the exact tact that the GOP needs to start taking with your preferred propagandists.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 01:05:01 AM
https://twitter.com/secupp/status/1268028342143516672?s=19 (https://twitter.com/secupp/status/1268028342143516672?s=19)
Cowards. All of them.
S.E. Cupp is a propagandist and not a serious journalist who works for a network that should've been burnt to the freaking ground.
This is the exact tact that the GOP needs to start taking with your preferred propagandists.
Cowards. All of them.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 03, 2020, 01:23:16 AM
Cowards. All of them.
The media? Couldn't agree more.
https://www.facebook.com/GarbageHuman4/videos/3945212435520409/
Oops.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 03, 2020, 03:15:40 AM
Post by: insanity on June 03, 2020, 06:38:52 AM
The media? Couldn't agree more.Dude I'm not going to even rebut this. Why does this matter?!?!
https://www.facebook.com/GarbageHuman4/videos/3945212435520409/
Oops.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1216356280933273600
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 07:37:55 AM
these dudes are 100% procured via eric prince, hes a world class piece of excrement who should have had a bullett through his skull a long time ago for all the atrocities he's committed for money.Turns out having monstrous foreign policy is a boomerang
keep your bullshit across the border, we dont freaking want it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 07:39:03 AM
Don't worry guys, insurance will cover it. https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/retired-police-captain-shot-to-death-at-st-louis-pawn-shop-in-slaying-caught-on/article_d482138c-0224-5393-bd87-9898bebb3fd1.html
You are a sick joke.
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 07:40:09 AM
Dude I'm not going to even rebut this. Why does this matter?!?!Crushing dissent is only bad when inscrutable Easterners do it
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1216356280933273600
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 03, 2020, 07:43:06 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 03, 2020, 07:52:34 AM
S.E. Cupp is a propagandist and not a serious journalist who works for a network that should've been burnt to the freaking ground.
You want it to be one way, but it's the other way.
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 07:56:41 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 08:16:05 AM
Cupp does suck though. Not that she's inherently wrong about everything but she's a fine example of "just because you oppose Trump doesn't mean you're good."
Who cares? The point was that hundreds of people protesting "the right way" were attacked so someone could have a photo op and the most emphatic responses were, "I'm late to lunch!"
At least some of them found their humanity late. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/trump-republicans-protesters.amp.html)
Post by: insanity on June 03, 2020, 08:32:37 AM
Crushing dissent is only bad when inscrutable Easterners do itI had to read your post 5 times because I thought you were responding to my response to MJ and not the twitter post.
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 09:01:40 AM
r/selfawarewolves"we will win this war on New York City"
https://twitter.com/SBANYPD/status/1267922509166493696?s=19
Post by: insanity on June 03, 2020, 09:25:05 AM
Post by: reuben on June 03, 2020, 09:49:10 AM
"we will win this war on New York City"
https://twitter.com/SBANYPD/status/1267922509166493696?s=19
"Remember you work for a higher authority. It's good against evil and good always wins."
Just a terrifying disconnect from reality. lover of the older lady thinks he's President of the Knights Templar Union.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 10:16:02 AM
https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1267891912910012417?s=21 (https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1267891912910012417?s=21)
Post by: mj2sexay on June 03, 2020, 10:40:45 AM
You are a sick joke.
Says an absolute simpleton.
That mans death is the logical end result of the behavior that people are rationalizing and justifying. Amazing what happens when morons are confronted with the consequences of their rhetoric.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 10:51:06 AM
Says an absolute simpleton.
That mans death is the logical end result of the behavior that people are rationalizing and justifying. Amazing what happens when morons are confronted with the consequences of their rhetoric.
You are a sick joke.
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
That mans death is the logical end result of the behavior that people are rationalizing and justifying. Amazing what happens when morons are confronted with the consequences of their rhetoric.
RE: George Floyd
Post by: insanity on June 03, 2020, 11:44:30 AM
And now a rebuke of the administration by...Pat Robertson?What do I do when Pat Robertson is agreeing with my opinion? I'm befuddled, and not sure whats going on right now.
https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1267891912910012417?s=21 (https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1267891912910012417?s=21)
Post by: insanity on June 03, 2020, 11:45:16 AM
I think he was talking about the protestor that died.
RE: George Floyd
Post by: delavan on June 03, 2020, 11:46:03 AM
"Remember you work for a higher authority. It's good against evil and good always wins."Was that guy referring to the protestors in his "good against evil" comments or the 'bargain shoppers'? I'm trying to understand what's the issue here. Also (I'm admittedly a late-to-the-party outsider to this board) but I always keep seeing this oft-applied phrase and wondering what the hell it means: lover of the older lady. Thoughts?...thx.
Just a terrifying disconnect from reality. lover of the older lady thinks he's President of the Knights Templar Union.
Post by: reuben on June 03, 2020, 11:48:54 AM
I always keep seeing this oft-applied phrase and wondering what the hell it means: lover of the older lady. Thoughts?...thx.
Hahaha, without context I'd have to assume it's an allusion to a poster from theganggreen who was an outspoken horndog for Hollywood golden age starlets.
Post by: reuben on June 03, 2020, 11:51:28 AM
Post by: reuben on June 03, 2020, 11:52:49 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 03, 2020, 12:04:59 PM
Was that guy referring to the protestors in his "good against evil" comments or the 'bargain shoppers'? I'm trying to understand what's the issue here. Also (I'm admittedly a late-to-the-party outsider to this board) but I always keep seeing this oft-applied phrase and wondering what the hell it means: lover of the older lady. Thoughts?...thx.
Hahaha, a little while back one or two of our members (Puck) were having problems with the swearing preventing the board from being accessed at work (the irony of the board's sweariest member not being able to access it because of all the swearing is not lost), so we turned the swear filter on. I put a bunch of stupid stuff in there and never bothered changing it, there's quite a collection of them.
If you want to turn the swear filter off and see the board in all its profane glory, go to Profile > Modify Profile > Look and Layout, and the check the box next to Leave Words Uncensored.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 12:26:49 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 03, 2020, 12:34:27 PM
Esper publicly speaking out against using the military is not going to bode well for his career.
Presume you saw this?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/02/secretary-esper-you-violated-your-oath-aiding-trumps-photo-op-thats-why-im-resigning/?arc404=true
Post by: delavan on June 03, 2020, 12:36:10 PM
Hahaha, a little while back one or two of our members (Puck) were having problems with the swearing preventing the board from being accessed at work (the irony of the board's sweariest member not being able to access it because of all the swearing is not lost), so we turned the swear filter on. I put a bunch of stupid stuff in there and never bothered changing it, there's quite a collection of them.Many thanks JE. Reading the warped (vs. warp-factor) humor and the usually spot-on Jet-related takes here, I couldn't wrap my head around the idea of JO being a bastion of gerontophilia. This is holy grail meets keys to the kingdom - all makes sense now. thx again
If you want to turn the swear filter off and see the board in all its profane glory, go to Profile > Modify Profile > Look and Layout, and the check the box next to Leave Words Uncensored.
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 12:43:43 PM
I think he was talking about the protestor that died.I know - I was turning it around
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 12:47:23 PM
Presume you saw this?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/02/secretary-esper-you-violated-your-oath-aiding-trumps-photo-op-thats-why-im-resigning/?arc404=true
I have now.
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 12:48:40 PM
Esper publicly speaking out against using the military is not going to bode well for his career.He'll just have to write a tell-all book called "Defense of our Country: My Time in the Trump Administration" after he resigns or gets fired
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 12:52:44 PM
These LA Police Commission zoom videos are really helping me get through this.
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 01:18:48 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 03, 2020, 01:25:09 PM
Quote
Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison is increasing charges against Derek Chauvin to 2nd degree in George Floyd’s murder and also charging other 3 officers. This is another important step for justice.
Amy Klobuchar
Post by: mj2sexay on June 03, 2020, 01:33:39 PM
You are a sick joke.
Yeah, I'd act petulant to if the natural consequences of what people are refusing to condemn was thrown in my face.
Esper publicly speaking out against using the military is not going to bode well for his career.
Don't worry, when he gets his gig on CNN you can pretend he's a principled journalist.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 01:41:59 PM
Yeah, I'd act petulant to if the natural consequences of what people are refusing to condemn was thrown in my face.
Don't worry, when he gets his gig on CNN you can pretend he's a principled journalist.
You are not wotrh my time.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 03, 2020, 01:46:52 PM
Hahaha, a little while back one or two of our members (Puck) were having problems with the swearing preventing the board from being accessed at work (the irony of the board's sweariest member not being able to access it because of all the swearing is not lost), so we turned the swear filter on. I put a bunch of stupid stuff in there and never bothered changing it, there's quite a collection of them.I've kept the sweat filter on just because I think it is funnier to read "bundle of sticks" and "lover of the older lady"
If you want to turn the swear filter off and see the board in all its profane glory, go to Profile > Modify Profile > Look and Layout, and the check the box next to Leave Words Uncensored.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 01:48:49 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 01:54:54 PM
Source (https://www.npr.org/2020/06/03/868848550/frank-rizzo-statue-is-removed-in-philadelphia-it-is-finally-gone-mayor-says)
Post by: Johnny English on June 03, 2020, 01:58:32 PM
Which word was supposed to be swapped for "lady garden" and which was supposed to be swapped out by "hoohah"?
(https://i.imgur.com/eWj7vtp.png)
No idea why the bottom two are there, pretty sure they weren't me. The third from bottom was for IATA who for some time refused to removed the auto signature from his phone that appeared at the bottom of every one of his posts, it replaces it with "There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum".
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 02:17:30 PM
Post by: insanity on June 03, 2020, 02:22:41 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 03, 2020, 02:38:23 PM
For what reason, or should I say for who did you need to add bo-diddley
Absolutely no idea. Me?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 03, 2020, 03:10:58 PM
Police State
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 03:36:28 PM
https://twitter.com/meetmichael_/status/1268063447444586497?s=21
Police State
“The narrative is that police are allowed to act this way when they are scared. If you scare so easily, why are you police?” - Sasha from Koreatown (https://twitter.com/nakedmermaid/status/1267952916628819969?s=21)
Post by: bojanglesman on June 03, 2020, 04:09:14 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 03, 2020, 04:30:42 PM
i want to have that quote on a shirt
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 04:38:49 PM
i heard the 'suck my dick and choke on it. i yield my time. fvck you' clip earlier this morning, and i giggled for a good 10 minutes straight. i could not fvcking stop lol. who the fvck was that guy, jeremy frisch or juan ramirez? the lady at the end even said 'thank you' when he was done lmfao
i want to have that quote on a shirt
It was an 8.5+ hour conference call full of those calls and they had to sit there and take it the whole time, including Commissioner More. I've seen several clips and they are all glorious. The dude from Koreatown ending by telling them to upgrade their Zoom accounts was also enjoyable.
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 06:21:49 PM
“The narrative is that police are allowed to act this way when they are scared. If you scare so easily, why are you police?” - Sasha from Koreatown (https://twitter.com/nakedmermaid/status/1267952916628819969?s=21)Sasha for Mayor
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 11:37:39 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 03, 2020, 11:47:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1268383698174369795?s=19
He needs to kill himself
Post by: mj2sexay on June 03, 2020, 11:52:02 PM
He needs to kill himself
For fucks sake who's idea is it to keep giving this freaking rube tv time.
Post by: Badger on June 04, 2020, 12:05:09 AM
For fucks sake who's idea is it to keep giving this freaking rube tv time.We need to sacrifice Jesus for the economy
For God so loved the world he gave his only son to make line go up
Post by: IATA on June 04, 2020, 12:12:40 AM
Post by: Badger on June 04, 2020, 05:59:10 AM
https://twitter.com/Jose_Pagliery/status/1268269855762976770?s=19
Post by: MBGreen on June 04, 2020, 07:10:17 AM
Don't worry guys, insurance will cover it. https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/retired-police-captain-shot-to-death-at-st-louis-pawn-shop-in-slaying-caught-on/article_d482138c-0224-5393-bd87-9898bebb3fd1.html(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200604/2699a7cd198f0fe5a0cb2124a98efa4a.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 04, 2020, 09:09:44 AM
Yes
Post by: insanity on June 04, 2020, 09:20:13 AM
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/06/03/dozens-of-troops-sounded-off-on-the-use-of-the-military-to-help-quell-civil-unrest-this-is-what-they-said/
Post by: mj2sexay on June 04, 2020, 11:16:06 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200604/2699a7cd198f0fe5a0cb2124a98efa4a.jpg)
That's some reaction when faced with the direct consequences of your stupid freaking rhetoric.
InSuRaNce. Jesus Christ.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 04, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
That's some reaction when faced with the direct consequences of your stupid freaking rhetoric.
InSuRaNce. Jesus Christ.
Begone, thot.
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2020, 12:32:21 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 04, 2020, 12:41:02 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/northam-announces-robert-e-lee-statue-confederate-monuments-richmond-will-n1224846
Good
Post by: MBGreen on June 04, 2020, 12:42:32 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/northam-announces-robert-e-lee-statue-confederate-monuments-richmond-will-n1224846
About time.
For all the people pushing the "well, these are historical figures" bullshit.....go read a book, you can learn about these confederate assholes in a library. They don't need statues.
Post by: IATA on June 04, 2020, 12:46:13 PM
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In Alexandria, Virginia, on Tuesday, the statue of a Confederate soldier in an intersection of the city was removed by its owner, the United Daughters of the Confederacy. The removal had been planned for July, NBC Washington reported, but "given events, they accelerated it," Mayor Justin Wilson said.
The United Daughters of the Confederacy, which saw its Richmond offices burned amid the recent protests, could not immediately be reached for comment. The group has previously said the monuments are important and affirm American history.
huh, guess sometimes protesting and riots do work
Post by: IATA on June 04, 2020, 12:46:47 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 04, 2020, 12:55:27 PM
About time.
For all the people pushing the "well, these are historical figures" bullshit.....go read a book, you can learn about these confederate assholes in a library. They don't need statues.
I already put a link to a book on here that's been verified by several historians.
That was lied about and shot down.
huh, guess sometimes protesting and riots do work
Lol imagine actually saying this to a family member of the deceased. "Hey, sorry your mother/father/grandfather is dead, but at least it got Governor Blackface to take down a statue!"
Post by: Heismanberg on June 04, 2020, 12:58:02 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 04, 2020, 01:04:01 PM
Imagine actually being upset about a Civil War statue being taken down
Lol.
Throwing obvious hypocrisy in people's faces isn't being upset, but cool projection.
Except about the "riots working" part, that's a bunch of bullshit.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 04, 2020, 01:04:56 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/northam-announces-robert-e-lee-statue-confederate-monuments-richmond-will-n1224846
huh, guess sometimes protesting and riots do workGood.
Imagine actually being upset about a Civil War statue being taken downImagine touting works of confederate apologists.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 04, 2020, 01:15:30 PM
Except about the "riots working" part, that's a bunch of bullshit.
Oh, they're working alright. You wouldn't be so up in arms over everything if they weren't.
You're lying to yourself if you think these protests had nothing to do with these racist statues coming down.
Piece by piece, I hope they disappear by the end of 2020.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 04, 2020, 01:21:31 PM
https://images.app.goo.gl/uMGCC9KoXrLKZsBR6 (https://images.app.goo.gl/uMGCC9KoXrLKZsBR6)
Post by: mj2sexay on June 04, 2020, 01:27:07 PM
Oh, they're working alright. You wouldn't be so up in arms over everything if they weren't.
You're lying to yourself if you think these protests had nothing to do with these racist statues coming down.
Piece by piece, I hope they disappear by the end of 2020.
They're not working except to provide pyrrhic victories, but in the age of social media slacktivism, I could see how you'd think a statue coming down, but an ACTUAL racist incompetent as opposed to the boogeyman that dominates everyones mind, is still in office spewing the same policies that have left the same people poor for 50 freaking years as a part of LBJ's grand plan.
I'm not up in arms over a statute. I'm up in arms over the deprivation of people's most important liberty interest. How you could say that in the face of a fuckin demonstrated bodycount...
In b4 "WeLl wHat AbOuT gEoRgE fLoYD'S lIbErTy InTerEst" like I didn't take a year out of my life to work in public defense so I could either see it for myself and don't understand the systemic disparity that occurs the second someone of color came across my desk.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 04, 2020, 01:36:06 PM
I didn't take a year out of my life to work in public defense
White Knighting again
Post by: IATA on June 04, 2020, 01:54:59 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 04, 2020, 02:10:00 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 04, 2020, 02:22:46 PM
my favorite part is actually how mad mj is about the statues and how no matter how much contrarian nonsense he spits out, none of it matter because the statues are still coming down <3
Lol it's a nice deflection tactic from actually vocalizing that a body count is justification for an inanimate object coming down.
I’m still waiting for MJ to start using “I’m going to type this slow so you can understand me.” Then his transformation into Hobbes will be complete.
K. Big block letters for you.
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2020, 02:40:49 PM
Lol it's a nice deflection tactic from actually vocalizing that a body count is justification for an inanimate object coming down.
Obviously that would be a slightly absurd argument if it were delivered as you've framed it, but the rotation of that argument is that said object is in many ways the embodiment of the reasons for why there is a body count in the first place, and that its removal is an indication that steps are being taken to address those reasons and thus prevent the body count from growing. Which seems a bit more reasonable.
Post by: reuben on June 04, 2020, 02:49:28 PM
Post by: Badger on June 04, 2020, 02:57:10 PM
Scroll down for fat Wolverine trying to run over protesters on the sidewalk
https://qns.com/story/2020/06/03/menacing-attacker-threatens-peaceful-protest-in-whitestone/
Post by: Badger on June 04, 2020, 02:59:35 PM
I’m still waiting for MJ to start using “I’m going to type this slow so you can understand me.” Then his transformation into Hobbes will be complete.Needs... more ellipses...
Post by: mj2sexay on June 04, 2020, 04:16:20 PM
Obviously that would be a slightly absurd argument if it were delivered as you've framed it, but the rotation of that argument is that said object is in many ways the embodiment of the reasons for why there is a body count in the first place, and that its removal is an indication that steps are being taken to address those reasons and thus prevent the body count from growing. Which seems a bit more reasonable.
I'll file that under things told to students during the cultural revolution.
There is no justification for death upon the innocent, whether at the hands of a racist shitbag cop, or at the hands of the mob.
Especially in this case. The direct comparison is Eric Garner, which I've always maintained was murder. The outrage, reactions, and for that matter, state action cannot be compared. Even then, i'd still understand a pissed off community taking action against the State via burning down the 3rd precinct.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 04, 2020, 04:18:18 PM
I really don't like that murder 2 charge on Chauvin. I don't know how you go about proving intent to kill on a technique that - legal or not - is widely used by American police to subdue suspects, most often non-lethally. Seems like they're just kicking the public outrage can down the road when he's acquitted.
I don't buy the argument that you can prove requisite intent to kill by how long he was on top of him, but I'm also pretty sure they've retained manslaughter as a lesser charged offense.
One wonders whether the murder 3 was upgraded to murder 2 to move a plea to murder 3 and get fuckstick to serve max time of 25 years.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 04, 2020, 04:19:53 PM
I don't buy the argument that you can prove requisite intent to kill by how long he was on top of him, but I'm also pretty sure they've retained manslaughter as a lesser charged offense.Hopefully, because I don't think they can really prove murder 2.
One wonders whether the murder 3 was upgraded to murder 2 to move a plea to murder 3 and get fuckstick to serve max time of 25 years.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 04, 2020, 04:29:51 PM
Hopefully, because I don't think they can really prove murder 2.
They can still downgrade, pre-indictment which is going to take a while given the restrictions due to COVID.
Strategically from every other aspect except actually proving the charge, (societal pressure, not leaving anything up to chance in terms of trial or sentencing), it makes a lot of sense.
If its a gambit that doesn't work and they have to downgrade before convening a GJ, i think they're hoping its at a time when the unrest has somewhat cooled, and that people are just gonna have to freaking understand if Keith Ellison's office is seeing it this way, that's just the way it is.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 04, 2020, 04:33:43 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 04, 2020, 04:35:58 PM
Worst case they get it reduced to 8th degree attempted littering.
Murder 3's max carries a 25 year prison sentence.
I'd say that's a little more strict then 8th degree littering.
And I still say no matter what the autopsy says, a murder 3 conviction is a foregone conclusion. That won't be the source of controversy here.
Those other cops though...
Post by: reuben on June 04, 2020, 04:36:08 PM
One wonders whether the murder 3 was upgraded to murder 2 to move a plea to murder 3 and get fuckstick to serve max time of 25 years.
There's a thought.
I wonder what sort of plea deal will be available to the other three. I don't doubt for a minute that they'd be willing to testify against Chauvin, but is that even really necessary with the video evidence?
Post by: mj2sexay on June 04, 2020, 04:46:15 PM
There's a thought.
I wonder what sort of plea deal will be available to the other three. I don't doubt for a minute that they'd be willing to testify against Chauvin, but is that even really necessary with the video evidence?
Unless they testify on character evidence, I don't know given the circumstances (unless Chauvin said, 'I'm gonna kill this lover of the older lady" when they got there or something) what they could bring to the table.
When i first saw the video I thought murder by depraved indifference. It's why i've been genuinely puzzled as to why the autopsy is relevant. I thought the fact they worked together was interesting because if there was some sort of grudge between the two and they knew each other, intent is probably a smaller mountain to climb, but nothing like that has come to light.
I don't know how an aiding an abetting charge is going to stick, and I am not looking forward to the prospect of what happens when it doesn't.
Post by: insanity on June 04, 2020, 04:56:48 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 04, 2020, 05:01:13 PM
Candace Owens is fun, huh?
I prefer Eric July.
Conservative Shaun King does nothing for me.
Post by: Badger on June 04, 2020, 05:03:35 PM
https://twitter.com/VicStoddard/status/1268620623489560576?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 04, 2020, 05:06:12 PM
Captain Bike Shorts
https://twitter.com/VicStoddard/status/1268620623489560576?s=19
Because a true American Patriot will decide the petite woman is too much of a threat to overcome and instead try and rip something out of a little girl’s hand.
I’m on this bike trail on the weekends. I hope I see more signs this time around.
Post by: reuben on June 04, 2020, 05:17:33 PM
Captain Bike Shorts
https://twitter.com/VicStoddard/status/1268620623489560576?s=19
They're after him. This is gonna be some tasty schadenfreude. I hope he gets filmed crying.
https://wjla.com/news/local/man-wanted-for-assault-on-capital-crescent-trail-in-montgomery-county (https://wjla.com/news/local/man-wanted-for-assault-on-capital-crescent-trail-in-montgomery-county)
Post by: insanity on June 04, 2020, 05:18:32 PM
I prefer Eric July.of course you would say someone else is worse lol
Conservative Shaun King does nothing for me.
Post by: insanity on June 04, 2020, 05:19:33 PM
Queens!Holy excrement, what is wrong with that guy? Thank god no one was hurt and someone got his plates.
Scroll down for fat Wolverine trying to run over protesters on the sidewalk
https://qns.com/story/2020/06/03/menacing-attacker-threatens-peaceful-protest-in-whitestone/
Post by: IATA on June 04, 2020, 05:22:59 PM
They can still downgrade, pre-indictment which is going to take a while given the restrictions due to COVID.It really seems like they just upgraded to try and soothe the flames outside and will lower the charges later.
Strategically from every other aspect except actually proving the charge, (societal pressure, not leaving anything up to chance in terms of trial or sentencing), it makes a lot of sense.
If its a gambit that doesn't work and they have to downgrade before convening a GJ, i think they're hoping its at a time when the unrest has somewhat cooled, and that people are just gonna have to freaking understand if Keith Ellison's office is seeing it this way, that's just the way it is.
Post by: delavan on June 04, 2020, 05:26:26 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/northam-announces-robert-e-lee-statue-confederate-monuments-richmond-will-n1224846As much of a monstrosity as that Lee statute in Richmond is, it's small potatoes compared to other monuments of white supremacy, namely Stone Mtn. Monument and Mt. Rushmore. The State of Georgia owns this obnoxious moneymaker (green supremacy's no excuse). Mt. Rushmore's "scared Black Hills" location alone is reason enough to sandblast it into history along with that glorified Georgian piece of strip mining disguised as bas relief art.
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2020, 05:34:22 PM
Captain Bike Shorts
https://twitter.com/VicStoddard/status/1268620623489560576?s=19
freaking MAMILs are the worst. On every single level.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 04, 2020, 05:54:30 PM
As much of a monstrosity as that Lee statute in Richmond is, it's small potatoes compared to other monuments of white supremacy, namely Stone Mtn. Monument and Mt. Rushmore. The State of Georgia owns this obnoxious moneymaker (green supremacy's no excuse). Mt. Rushmore's "scared Black Hills" location alone is reason enough to sandblast it into history along with that glorified Georgian piece of strip mining disguised as bas relief art.
One giant piece of racist excrement monument at a time. Or a bunch of smaller ones at a time.
Then there’s the matter of Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia and Mississippi all using confederate imagery in their state flags, but you take the victories where you can get them.
That guy has to be a cop or FED. Definitely law enforcement.
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2020, 05:59:31 PM
As much of a monstrosity as that Lee statute in Richmond is, it's small potatoes compared to other monuments of white supremacy, namely Stone Mtn. Monument and Mt. Rushmore. The State of Georgia owns this obnoxious moneymaker (green supremacy's no excuse). Mt. Rushmore's "scared Black Hills" location alone is reason enough to sandblast it into history along with that glorified Georgian piece of strip mining disguised as bas relief art.
OK I'm really interested in this. How is Rushmore a white supremacist monument? I'm not at all disagreeing BTW, I'm saying I'm completely ignorant on this one.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 04, 2020, 06:10:35 PM
OK I'm really interested in this. How is Rushmore a white supremacist monument? I'm not at all disagreeing BTW, I'm saying I'm completely ignorant on this one.
Mostly based on how the US government got the land to create the monument what it meant to the original owners.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 04, 2020, 07:03:03 PM
of course you would say someone else is worse lol
I didn't say anyone is worse, just a comparison. If anything I'd say the comparison implied they were no different, except just birds of a different feather.
Post by: delavan on June 04, 2020, 07:23:32 PM
OK I'm really interested in this. How is Rushmore a white supremacist monument? I'm not at all disagreeing BTW, I'm saying I'm completely ignorant on this one.The Black Hills where Rushmore's located is land which the Sioux tribes consider to be sacred and have territorial claims to based on an 1868 treaty. After that treaty was signed gold was discovered in the region and the U.S. Congress eventually passed a law taking over the land. In 1980 the Supreme Court ruled that the land was seized illegally and ordered the government to pay compensation. The Sioux however rejected the money, calling for the return of the now public lands.
So, the Supreme Court ruled correctly that the lands were illegally seized but incorrectly used white "money talks" logic which the Souix rejected. Personal spitballing follows: the Souix claims were pure. Being people of the land--their land in this particular case--was their house of worship....bit of a stretch maybe, but I'm going with the "muh church" argument on their behalf. Again they don't want the dough, they want their land back.....a land further desecrated by some white dude who originally bankrolled the project. Btw, iirc, the racist architect who was involved in the Stone Mtn. Monument was the same one involving Mt. Rushmore. Returning the land (minus those busts) to the non-white indigenous people would not be divisive so much as it would be restorative imo.
Post by: delavan on June 04, 2020, 07:42:09 PM
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1268347880731009026
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 04, 2020, 07:51:16 PM
this
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1268347880731009026
okay, this is the 2nd time i've laughed this week. the first being the 'suck my dick and choke on it, i yield my time, fck you' line lolol. 'i would like to have some hoo-ha, that would make it over for me' lmfaoooooo. im fvckin cackling
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2020, 08:27:17 PM
The Black Hills where Rushmore's located is land which the Sioux tribes consider to be sacred and have territorial claims to based on an 1868 treaty. After that treaty was signed gold was discovered in the region and the U.S. Congress eventually passed a law taking over the land. In 1980 the Supreme Court ruled that the land was seized illegally and ordered the government to pay compensation. The Sioux however rejected the money, calling for the return of the now public lands.
So, the Supreme Court ruled correctly that the lands were illegally seized but incorrectly used white "money talks" logic which the Souix rejected. Personal spitballing follows: the Souix claims were pure. Being people of the land--their land in this particular case--was their house of worship....bit of a stretch maybe, but I'm going with the "muh church" argument on their behalf. Again they don't want the dough, they want their land back.....a land further desecrated by some white dude who originally bankrolled the project. Btw, iirc, the racist architect who was involved in the Stone Mtn. Monument was the same one involving Mt. Rushmore. Returning the land (minus those busts) to the non-white indigenous people would not be divisive so much as it would be restorative imo.
That's really interesting and I had no idea, thank you.
Is it wrong that I still want to see Mt Rushmore?
Post by: bojanglesman on June 04, 2020, 08:30:59 PM
That's really interesting and I had no idea, thank you.Just hit up the Indian casinos first and lose some $
Is it wrong that I still want to see Mt Rushmore?
Post by: delavan on June 04, 2020, 08:36:29 PM
That's really interesting and I had no idea, thank you.Go for it : )
Is it wrong that I still want to see Mt Rushmore?
https://www.greatcanadianjokebook.com/view-all-cartoon-jokes/cartoon/2465
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2020, 08:41:46 PM
Go for it : )
https://www.greatcanadianjokebook.com/view-all-cartoon-jokes/cartoon/2465
That explains a lot. MB has spent most of his life staring at arses.
Post by: Badger on June 04, 2020, 10:48:03 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1268716877355810818?s=09
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 12:19:39 AM
Buffalo
https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1268716877355810818?s=09
https://news.wbfo.org/post/graphic-video-two-buffalo-police-officers-suspended-after-violently-shoving-elderly-man-ground
Both officers suspended without pay pending investigation, but freaking hell. What is it with your cops? One 75 year old man and a large phalanx of armoured cops, what threat did they think they were under?
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 12:24:14 AM
They're after him. This is gonna be some tasty schadenfreude. I hope he gets filmed crying.Hilariously, apparently some woman identified him through Strava because of course he was recording his segment. No MAMIL can resist.
https://wjla.com/news/local/man-wanted-for-assault-on-capital-crescent-trail-in-montgomery-county (https://wjla.com/news/local/man-wanted-for-assault-on-capital-crescent-trail-in-montgomery-county)
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2020, 12:29:12 AM
Hilariously, apparently some woman identified him through Strava because of course he was recording his segment. No MAMIL can resist.
EDIT: apparently Twitter identified the wrong person. A lot of the original tweets that I saw with his name are gone with apology tweets in their place.
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 06:57:15 AM
Post by: insanity on June 05, 2020, 08:09:57 AM
I didn't say anyone is worse, just a comparison. If anything I'd say the comparison implied they were no different, except just birds of a different feather.Who freaking cares? Throwing someone else up in comparison doesn't make her better in anyway. It just moves the argument.
Post by: insanity on June 05, 2020, 08:10:30 AM
https://news.wbfo.org/post/graphic-video-two-buffalo-police-officers-suspended-after-violently-shoving-elderly-man-groundMuh POLICE RIGHTS!!!! THAT BOOMER WAS IN MUH FACE!!!!
Both officers suspended without pay pending investigation, but freaking hell. What is it with your cops? One 75 year old man and a large phalanx of armoured cops, what threat did they think they were under?
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2020, 08:28:50 AM
That explains a lot. MB has spent most of his life staring at arses.
I think you're confusing me with Cakes.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 05, 2020, 08:46:41 AM
I think you're confusing me with Cakes.
lmao
YOU HAVE TO STARE AT THE PITCHER'S derriere! BARTOLO COLON'S IS THE BEST!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 05, 2020, 08:49:06 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 05, 2020, 08:50:58 AM
Who freaking cares? Throwing someone else up in comparison doesn't make her better in anyway. It just moves the argument.
Where did I ever say she was better or worse. I literally said I prefer another voice, and made a comparison.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 05, 2020, 08:54:26 AM
Lmaoooo the comments
Post by: Heismanberg on June 05, 2020, 09:02:02 AM
https://twitter.com/patriots/status/1268745803574763522?s=21
Lmaoooo the comments
Most racist sports city in the US
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 05, 2020, 09:57:54 AM
Candace Owens is fun, huh?
https://twitter.com/philfan09/status/1268651066733756417?s=21
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 10:16:04 AM
https://twitter.com/RandazzoTweets/status/1268608526491910145?s=19(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200605/abb84ad4f3684a8c1c99422e38021350.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 10:40:07 AM
https://twitter.com/adamcancryn/status/1268920561746481155?s=21
Post by: Heismanberg on June 05, 2020, 10:41:55 AM
George is happy today, apparently.
https://twitter.com/adamcancryn/status/1268920561746481155?s=21
oh my god
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 10:48:16 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2020, 11:05:17 AM
George is happy today, apparently.
https://twitter.com/adamcancryn/status/1268920561746481155?s=21
the stones on this poopchute....jesus
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 11:06:53 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 11:13:41 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2020, 11:24:07 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/us/black-lives-matter-dc-street-white-house-trnd/index.html
Classic Bowser. Why bother with any meaningful change like announcing defunding the police or instituting any number of reforms demanded by protestors when you can just spray paint the blacktop and pat yourself on the back on social media?
Post by: delavan on June 05, 2020, 11:24:32 AM
Most racist sports city in the US
Yup (love this guy's take)
https://twitter.com/effemwarner/status/1268752898516594688
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 11:57:02 AM
Classic Bowser. Why bother with any meaningful change like announcing defunding the police or instituting any number of reforms demanded by protestors when you can just spray paint the blacktop and pat yourself on the back on social media?
You're not wrong, but trolling Trump will never not be a good use of public time and money.
Post by: IATA on June 05, 2020, 12:04:27 PM
this town has 2 black families and neither was at the protest.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2020, 12:11:28 PM
The fallout would be amazing.
Post by: IATA on June 05, 2020, 12:12:46 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2020, 12:12:54 PM
You're not wrong, but trolling Trump will never not be a good use of public time and money.
I’m all for the trolling aspect but coming from her it’s not the best look. Which is amazing that a black mayor in a historically black city could draw this much vitriol from a black rights advocacy group.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 12:26:03 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 12:29:09 PM
How is completely defunding the police going to help anything? I mean, you kinda need some police, right? I assume defunding means no money for police, i.e. no police. Who do I call when my Big Mac has too much ketchup?
Maybe defunding means not buying them any more new tanks or APCs for a few months.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 12:30:35 PM
Maybe defunding means not buying them any more new tanks or APCs for a few months.They probably need to use a better term than defunding then. Defunding to me sounds like you are taking all of the money away for the entire organization. Maybe "reduce funding".
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2020, 12:31:31 PM
How is completely defunding the police going to help anything? I mean, you kinda need some police, right? I assume defunding means no money for police, i.e. no police. Who do I call when my Big Mac has too much ketchup?
I don't have a plan for full logistics but the fact that the proposed budget cut of $1billion from the NYPD only constitutes 16% of their overall busget is horrifying to me.
Here's an article on how Camden did it. Might be some ideas in there.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department)
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2020, 12:33:42 PM
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 12:37:29 PM
They probably need to use a better term than defunding then. Defunding to me sounds like you are taking all of the money away for the entire organization. Maybe "reduce funding".This is one of those things where the label is an oversimplified version of the actual proposal but essentially the idea is to tear down the current system of policing and rebuild it
Also applies to "abolish prisons", "abolish ICE"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 05, 2020, 12:42:50 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 12:47:21 PM
This is one of those things where the label is an oversimplified version of the actual proposal but essentially the idea is to tear down the current system of policing and rebuild itI agree. I mean, abolish means to do away with. If people are going to propose something, it would help to use terminology that explains it correctly.
Also applies to "abolish prisons", "abolish ICE"
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2020, 01:02:04 PM
I agree. I mean, abolish means to do away with. If people are going to propose something, it would help to use terminology that explains it correctly.
I wholeheartedly agree with scrapping ICE. We might need something to take its place but the current organization needs to go and anything that steps in needs to be run, trained, and educated with a completely different mindset and policy.
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 01:15:14 PM
I agree. I mean, abolish means to do away with. If people are going to propose something, it would help to use terminology that explains it correctly.It's a matter of messaging I guess - but generally most people who are acting in good faith will absorb the idea one way or another, whether it's doing the research yourself or being receptive to an explanation from someone else. A lot of these things don't fit on a bumper sticker so that's how you end up with these two word slogans.
Hell, the title of this thread is a perfect example.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 05, 2020, 02:11:46 PM
https://twitter.com/DaveGreber4/status/1268977512320819203
57 cops resign from the emergency response team in protest.
Post by: reuben on June 05, 2020, 03:11:15 PM
Cops shove old man in Buffalo.
https://twitter.com/DaveGreber4/status/1268977512320819203
57 cops resign from the emergency response team in protest.
For a second I thought, "Wow, what a brave stand." Then I read it and realized they were protesting the officers' suspensions, not the seventy five year old unconscious man with blood flowing out of his ears.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 03:13:39 PM
Post by: delavan on June 05, 2020, 03:20:03 PM
I agree. I mean, abolish means to do away with. If people are going to propose something, it would help to use terminology that explains it correctly.It sure would. No one is going to 'defund' police department even if it infers "altogether" to some. More like reallocating some of their funding which may make sense but I'm not smart enough to figure it out. Everybody needs to take a deep breath.
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 06:29:57 PM
EDIT: apparently Twitter identified the wrong person. A lot of the original tweets that I saw with his name are gone with apology tweets in their place.Seems like they pegged him
https://twitter.com/JewishWorker/status/1269047531268452354?s=19
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 06:37:20 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2020, 06:55:38 PM
Post by: delavan on June 05, 2020, 06:58:18 PM
Seems like they pegged him
https://twitter.com/JewishWorker/status/1269047531268452354?s=19
Great doxx. I saw the original video of the little girl and that bike-riding scumbag bully..
https://twitter.com/janaisevilla/status/1268350713874137088?s=09atta boy Goober...
Nice step-on-yer-dick-fail Gaijin ....
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 05, 2020, 06:58:52 PM
My president.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2020, 07:46:20 PM
Great doxx. I saw the original video of the little girl and that bike-riding scumbag bully..
atta boy Goober...
Nice step-on-yer-dick-fail Gaijin ....
https://twitter.com/michlkosinski/status/1269049620405137408?s=21 (https://twitter.com/michlkosinski/status/1269049620405137408?s=21)
Moving on the arrest warrant. Three counts of second degree assault.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 05, 2020, 07:56:41 PM
Jose Canseco
We need to replace the corrupt police and military with a robotic police and military
Post by: reuben on June 05, 2020, 08:09:06 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 08:43:57 PM
https://twitter.com/JoseCanseco/status/1269020578796593152Don't you dare question a Bash Brother.
Jose Canseco
We need to replace the corrupt police and military with a robotic police and military
Post by: Johnny English on June 06, 2020, 12:24:25 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 06, 2020, 12:29:26 AM
I saw a suggestion that two of the cops with Chauvin that day were rookies on their fourth day on the job, and Chauvin was their training officer. If that's true I feel like it puts a slightly different complexion on their charges.I saw that, too. Still wrong for them not to step in, but hopefully when they don't get convicted of anything, that fact helps quell some of the ensuing riots.
Post by: Johnny English on June 06, 2020, 12:36:17 AM
I saw that, too. Still wrong for them not to step in, but hopefully when they don't get convicted of anything, that fact helps quell some of the ensuing riots.I'm not saying that they shouldn't face charges, just that it's a factor that should be considered. I also think that it should be reflected in Chauvin's charges that there's potentially an element in the killing of George Floyd of trying to demonstrate to rookie officers who were his responsibility that this was the right way to deal with suspects.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 06, 2020, 12:43:07 AM
I'm not saying that they shouldn't face charges, just that it's a factor that should be considered. I also think that it should be reflected in Chauvin's charges that there's potentially an element in the killing of George Floyd of trying to demonstrate to rookie officers who were his responsibility that this was the right way to deal with suspects.Agreed.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 06, 2020, 12:44:51 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 06, 2020, 12:53:30 AM
I saw a suggestion that two of the cops with Chauvin that day were rookies on their fourth day on the job, and Chauvin was their training officer. If that's true I feel like it puts a slightly different complexion on their charges.
freak that. Floyd begged and pleaded because he couldn’t breathe until he became unresponsive. Sitting there and letting it happen doesn’t mean less because you listened to the wrong poopchute. I have zero sympathy for these guys.
I’m also not familiar with in-field officer training but Tou Thao was Chauvin’s partner. If they were both rookies why were they rolling with each other while the two experienced partners were paired up?
Post by: dcm1602 on June 06, 2020, 09:06:31 AM
Floyd had freaking fentanyl and meth in his system. While I'm not going to pretend to understand what it's like to be a black man in America and I won't deny we live in a world where racism is a real problem, this guy doesn't deserve sympathy
This is a dude who was arrested for armed robbery. Found guilty of shoving a gun into a woman's stomach trying to steal drugs. And now he died while high as freak on Fentanyl and Meth.
Now (speculative on my part) thousands if not tens of thousands of black people will die from increased COVID spreading in the African American community because of the level of unrest/protesting that this guy has enflamed during his drug binge.
Oh also in addition to Fentanyl and Meth, George Floyd tested positive for covid too.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 06, 2020, 09:22:45 AM
While there's no doubt the police officers in the incident were scummy, criminals, and should be prosecuted.The incident deserves all the attention it's getting, but the person shouldn't be celebrated.
Floyd had freaking fentanyl and meth in his system. While I'm not going to pretend to understand what it's like to be a black man in America and I won't deny we live in a world where racism is a real problem, this guy doesn't deserve sympathy
This is a dude who was arrested for armed robbery. Found guilty of shoving a gun into a woman's stomach trying to steal drugs. And now he died while high as freak on Fentanyl and Meth.
Now (speculative on my part) thousands if not tens of thousands of black people will die from increased COVID spreading in the African American community because of the level of unrest/protesting that this guy has enflamed during his drug binge.
Oh also in addition to Fentanyl and Meth, George Floyd tested positive for covid too.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 06, 2020, 09:26:46 AM
While there's no doubt the police officers in the incident were scummy, criminals, and should be prosecuted.
Floyd had freaking fentanyl and meth in his system. While I'm not going to pretend to understand what it's like to be a black man in America and I won't deny we live in a world where racism is a real problem, this guy doesn't deserve sympathy
This is a dude who was arrested for armed robbery. Found guilty of shoving a gun into a woman's stomach trying to steal drugs. And now he died while high as freak on Fentanyl and Meth.
Now (speculative on my part) thousands if not tens of thousands of black people will die from increased COVID spreading in the African American community because of the level of unrest/protesting that this guy has enflamed during his drug binge.
Oh also in addition to Fentanyl and Meth, George Floyd tested positive for covid too.
lmao
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 06, 2020, 09:47:53 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 06, 2020, 09:55:03 AM
While there's no doubt the police officers in the incident were scummy, criminals, and should be prosecuted.Welcome back...thought the rona claimed you
Floyd had freaking fentanyl and meth in his system. While I'm not going to pretend to understand what it's like to be a black man in America and I won't deny we live in a world where racism is a real problem, this guy doesn't deserve sympathy
This is a dude who was arrested for armed robbery. Found guilty of shoving a gun into a woman's stomach trying to steal drugs. And now he died while high as freak on Fentanyl and Meth.
Now (speculative on my part) thousands if not tens of thousands of black people will die from increased COVID spreading in the African American community because of the level of unrest/protesting that this guy has enflamed during his drug binge.
Oh also in addition to Fentanyl and Meth, George Floyd tested positive for covid too.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 06, 2020, 09:55:40 AM
The incident deserves all the attention it's getting, but the person shouldn't be celebrated.
Even the incident. Is it more likely that it was racist cops kill black man, or tiny dick cops with a severe ego problem kill dude on Fentanyl and Meth. And it's not like this dude had just smoked a blunt, he had enoguh fentanyl in his system to kill most people.
I don't know how many different video angles there are of the incident, but I'd imagine the most likely scenario was the dude was acting like an poopchute while extremely fucked up on drugs so the cops lacking professionalism intelligence maturity and common sense in turn acted like assholes and killed him.
Regardless everyones out here treating George Floyd like this poor innocent dude when there's far more worthy people out there deserving of sympathy. Hell there was a retired black police officer who was shot and murdered by a bunch of lunatics looting a pawn shop to, barely even makes the news
Post by: dcm1602 on June 06, 2020, 09:58:59 AM
Welcome back...thought the rona claimed you
When the website went down a week or two ago it logged me out and I forgot my password . And of course the automated forgot password thing would never send an email no matter how many times I used it 🤷♂️
Post by: MBGreen on June 06, 2020, 10:00:42 AM
When the website went down a week or two ago it logged me out and I forgot my password . And of course the automated forgot password thing would never send an email no matter how many times I used itThat’s JE’s fault....limey bastard
#DCMLivesMatter
Post by: reuben on June 06, 2020, 11:04:58 AM
When the website went down a week or two ago it logged me out and I forgot my password
Hahahaha, the most dcm explanation ever.
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 06, 2020, 11:57:20 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 06, 2020, 11:59:24 AM
some fckn bullshit
Post by: Johnny English on June 06, 2020, 12:01:58 PM
When the website went down a week or two ago it logged me out and I forgot my password . And of course the automated forgot password thing would never send an email no matter how many times I used it 🤷♂️
For future reference, jetoffensive@gmail.com is a thing.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 06, 2020, 12:40:09 PM
None of it matters. Absolutely none of it.
I will say, the minimization if not outright ignoring of the death of David Dorn has made me feel sick. It's disgusting.
Post by: reuben on June 06, 2020, 01:19:43 PM
Good, but there's a few hundred worse examples of police brutality on camera over the last two weeks.
Post by: delavan on June 06, 2020, 02:21:02 PM
While there's no doubt the police officers in the incident were scummy, criminals, and should be prosecuted.
Floyd had freaking fentanyl and meth in his system. While I'm not going to pretend to understand what it's like to be a black man in America and I won't deny we live in a world where racism is a real problem, this guy doesn't deserve sympathy.
This is a dude who was arrested for armed robbery. Found guilty of shoving a gun into a woman's stomach trying to steal drugs. And now he died while high as freak on Fentanyl and Meth.
Now (speculative on my part) thousands if not tens of thousands of black people will die from increased COVID spreading in the African American community because of the level of unrest/protesting that
this guy has enflamed
during his drug binge.
Oh also in addition to Fentanyl and Meth, George Floyd tested positive for covid too.
Floyd didn't inflame - Derek Chauvin is to blame. If George Floyd (already handcuffed and under control) had instead been brought in and booked like your run of the mill lawbreaker, he'd have been just another arrest statistic in the local police blotter and George Floyd wouldn't have made the pages of any newspaper or have been known to anyone outside of the Twin Cities. Derek Chauvin mortally screwed up and knocked society on its ear. 2020 freak up of the year: imho a toss up between the jerks ('there' and here) responsible for the wide-ranging impact of the Covid virus and Derek Chauvin. Chauvin's record alone begs the question: what was Minneapolis P.D. Internal Affairs missing/ignoring (the overarching question being about departmental procedure)?
if it was a white guy who was high and was acting the same way floyd was, whatever you assume that to be in your attempt to explain away the motives of the actions of those cops, would he have gotten the same treatment by those cops as floyd?+1
some fckn bullshit
While $ buys and exposes the multi-tiered levels of 'justice', imagine if a George Floyd had a. killed a person, b. rendered two others brain-damaged, c. followed up with multiple assaults (including several against women), DWI's, battery, fraud, etc. and yet only ended up spending a total of 30 days behind bars....as was/is the case with Motley Crue's Vince Neil. Neil's squeaky pipes aside, what a dirtbag pos and a striking example of institutional double standards. Or as Richard Pryor once quipped: "if you're going downtown looking for justice, that's what you'll fine--just us."
Post by: mj2sexay on June 06, 2020, 03:04:34 PM
While $ buys and exposes the multi-tiered levels of 'justice', imagine if a George Floyd had a. killed a person, b. rendered two others brain-damaged, c. followed up with multiple assaults (including several against women), DWI's, battery, fraud, etc. and yet only ended up spending a total of 30 days behind bars....as was/is the case with Motley Crue's Vince Neil. Neil's squeaky pipes aside, what a dirtbag pos and a striking example of institutional double standards. Or as Richard Pryor once quipped: "if you're going downtown looking for justice, that's what you'll fine--just us."
By the same token, the Duke Lacrosse kids do not get acquitted without the benefit of their parents putting together a legal all-star team thanks to their $$$.
Post by: delavan on June 06, 2020, 03:34:36 PM
By the same token, the Duke Lacrosse kids do not get acquitted without the benefit of their parents putting together a legal all-star team thanks to their $$$.Money talks. My point had to do with your contention that it was George Floyd who "inflamed" matters vs. Derek Chauvin who imo was 100% responsible for all of the fallout, George Floyd's prior history notwithstanding.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 06, 2020, 04:16:27 PM
damn, i forgot we were supposed to feel less outrage over the cold blooded murder of george floyd caught on camera because he had drugs in his system
The black community has gotten disproportionately devastated by COVID with hundreds of thousands being effected with tens of thousands dying.
But a criminal found guilty of stealing drugs at gun point in the past, full of Fentanyl and Meth dying is the straw that breaks the camels back causing resulting in massive riots.
I don't disagree that policing is a problem and that these police officers belong in prison. But why is this guy dying the symbol of outrage while COVID is just a blip on the radar.
Not to mention I don't know if anyone of yall ever seen someone who is abusing fentanyl and Meth, but they're typically bat excrement freaking crazy
Post by: dcm1602 on June 06, 2020, 04:19:46 PM
Money talks. My point had to do with your contention that it was George Floyd who "inflamed" matters vs. Derek Chauvin who imo was 100% responsible for all of the fallout, George Floyd's prior history notwithstanding.
100% responsible?
Would George Floyd still have died if he wasn't commiting a crime whiie high as freak on Fentanyl and Meth?
While Chauvin absolutely bears the brunt of the responsibility, to absolve Floyd is absurd. Floyd didn't deserve to die, but had he not been strung out on drugs, I imagine there's a much better chance he didn't end up dead.
Post by: reuben on June 06, 2020, 05:07:00 PM
100% responsible?
Would George Floyd still have died if he wasn't commiting a crime whiie high as freak on Fentanyl and Meth?
While Chauvin absolutely bears the brunt of the responsibility, to absolve Floyd is absurd. Floyd didn't deserve to die, but had he not been strung out on drugs, I imagine there's a much better chance he didn't end up dead.
First day back and already I've had too much dcm.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 06, 2020, 05:07:37 PM
Money talks. My point had to do with your contention that it was George Floyd who "inflamed" matters vs. Derek Chauvin who imo was 100% responsible for all of the fallout, George Floyd's prior history notwithstanding.
Show me where I ever, ever said that.
Anyone want to direct delavan to the post where i literally explicitly condemn that kind of thinking?
Post by: Johnny English on June 06, 2020, 05:15:19 PM
Show me where I ever, ever said that.I suspect he's mixing you up with dcm.
Anyone want to direct delavan to the post where i literally explicitly condemn that kind of thinking?
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 06, 2020, 05:28:03 PM
The black community has gotten disproportionately devastated by COVID with hundreds of thousands being effected with tens of thousands dying.
But a criminal found guilty of stealing drugs at gun point in the past, full of Fentanyl and Meth dying is the straw that breaks the camels back causing resulting in massive riots.
I don't disagree that policing is a problem and that these police officers belong in prison. But why is this guy dying the symbol of outrage while COVID is just a blip on the radar.
Not to mention I don't know if anyone of yall ever seen someone who is abusing fentanyl and Meth, but they're typically bat excrement freaking crazy
DCM just wishes from the bottom of his heart that it was the unnecessary murder of a sober black man that kickstarted the riots
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 06, 2020, 05:31:45 PM
but again, to try and harp on a point that you've missed probably 100 times already, here and elsewhere, him being high does nothing to justify his murder. he was already physically subdued by multiple officers, on the ground gasping for air, for his dead mother, for the cops to get off his neck. the continued force and technique used by that cop were absolutely unnecessary at that time, but they continued to apply it, and it caused him to die. floyd was dead and motionless on the ground and chauvin continued to keep his fcking knee on his neck.
but yeah, he was a black guy who ran into the cops while he was high, so can't be surprised, right? he had it coming.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 06, 2020, 05:56:20 PM
also, opioid overdoses are 'downers'. it's the withdrawal that would make them go crazy. if he was acting belligerent, it would have been because of the meth
but again, to try and harp on a point that you've missed probably 100 times already, here and elsewhere, him being high does nothing to justify his murder. he was already physically subdued by multiple officers, on the ground gasping for air, for his dead mother, for the cops to get off his neck. the continued force and technique used by that cop were absolutely unnecessary at that time, but they continued to apply it, and it caused him to die. floyd was dead and motionless on the ground and chauvin continued to keep his fcking knee on his neck.
but yeah, he was a black guy who ran into the cops while he was high, so can't be surprised, right? he had it coming.
I'm not justifying his murder, I'm just not absolving him of all responsibility. The dude has a history of really bad choices, this is another one to the list.
Regardless my attempted point was COVID has impacted the black community on a historical level, yet this dudes right at the forefront of everything
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 06, 2020, 05:57:51 PM
I'm not justifying his murder, I'm just not absolving him of all responsibility. The dude has a history of really bad choices, this is another one to the list.Yes, I agree. Add getting kneeled on by a cop for 8 minutes to Floyd's bad choices.
Regardless my attempted point was COVID has impacted the black community on a historical level, yet this dudes right at the forefront of everything
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 06, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 06, 2020, 07:39:57 PM
Absolutely no one on this board of stoners, coke heads and alcoholics has a single right to judge him for what was in his system when Derek Chauvin was ignoring his pleas for mercy.
How freaking dare you. I very rarely touch weed.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 06, 2020, 07:43:35 PM
Absolutely no one on this board of stoners, coke heads and alcoholics has a single right to judge him for what was in his system when Derek Chauvin was ignoring his pleas for mercy.
Yes let's compare weed and alcohol to using Fentanyl and freaking Meth to the point that you'll rob old ladies at gun point for drugs.
Post by: delavan on June 06, 2020, 07:47:37 PM
100% responsible?
Would George Floyd still have died if he wasn't commiting a crime whiie high as freak on Fentanyl and Meth?
While Chauvin absolutely bears the brunt of the responsibility, to absolve Floyd is absurd. Floyd didn't deserve to die, but had he not been strung out on drugs, I imagine there's a much better chance he didn't end up dead.
My bad. 101%.
Post by: delavan on June 06, 2020, 07:55:28 PM
Would George Floyd still have died if he wasn't commiting a crime whiie high as freak on Fentanyl and Meth?
Would George Floyd have died if he weren't in the hands of Derek Chauvin?
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Post by: Derek Smalls on June 06, 2020, 07:56:44 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 06, 2020, 08:02:49 PM
DCM posts like he would defend a rapist because "she had it coming, she was showing off cleavage."I like boobies.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 06, 2020, 08:06:49 PM
DCM posts like he would defend a rapist because "she had it coming, she was showing off cleavage."
No it would be like defending a rapsit if the victim was a prostitute who accepted cash and changed her mind in the middle of the sexual encounter. Obviously she's allowed to change her mind during, but she put herself in that position with wreckless criminal behavior
I'm not defending the cop in any way shape or form. The cops 100% guilty. My point is this dude was a freaking junkie and a criminal. And I find it absurd that he's the rally cry for racism, when there are far better examples. Especially freaking COVID which has decimated the black community. But let's all cry about the freaking junkie on Fentanyl and Meth instead.
Let me ask you this. Those stupid freaking conservatives who rushed a politicians office with assault rifles recently.
If an uneasy police officer inappropriately shot and killed one of them would you guys be flipping out and crying? Or saying well thats what you get when you're an poopchute who brings an assault rifle into a politicians office.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 06, 2020, 09:19:22 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 06, 2020, 09:33:09 PM
Blaming a murder victim is some small dick energy.
There's a difference between blaming him, and his life choices catching up with him.
Call it anything you want, but when you're a freaking junkie abusing Fentanyl and Meth robbing people at gun point, bad shits gonna happen to you.
Regardless my point is far worse excrement has happened to far better black people than him. So why the freak he's been the center of attention is beyond me
Post by: IATA on June 06, 2020, 09:33:42 PM
Post by: IATA on June 06, 2020, 09:36:28 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 06, 2020, 09:53:03 PM
Regardless my point is far worse excrement has happened to far better black people than him. So why the freak he's been the center of attention is beyond meMaybe he's the center of attention because he was the most recent one killed by the cops, and there is literally no way to excuse that behavior (at least I didn't think there was until I read your drivel).
I agree though, maybe the cops should determine whether the people they needlessly kill are good black people, bad black people, or just OK black people...
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 06, 2020, 10:00:55 PM
queynte.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 06, 2020, 10:12:19 PM
Maybe he's the center of attention because he was the most recent one killed by the cops, and there is literally no way to excuse that behavior (at least I didn't think there was until I read your drivel).
I agree though, maybe the cops should determine whether the people they needlessly kill are good black people, bad black people, or just OK black people...
Most recent killed by the cops sure. But there was an innocent black dude murdered by looters, over 20,000 African Americans died from COVID, but let's all talk about how the dude tripping on Meth and Fentanyl is a victim to society.
Post by: IATA on June 06, 2020, 10:14:03 PM
Post by: IATA on June 06, 2020, 10:15:43 PM
100% responsible?
Would George Floyd still have died if he wasn't allegedly commiting a misdemeanor nonviolent crime whiie high on Fentanyl and Meth?
Ftfy
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 06, 2020, 10:31:37 PM
Most recent killed by the cops sure. But there was an innocent black dude murdered by looters, over 20,000 African Americans died from COVID, but let's all talk about how the dude tripping on Meth and Fentanyl is a victim to society.
Because he got choked to death bye a cop.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 06, 2020, 10:32:56 PM
I suspect he's mixing you up with dcm.
*cackles*
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 07, 2020, 02:18:14 AM
Most recent killed by the cops sure. But there was an innocent black dude murdered by looters, over 20,000 African Americans died from COVID, but let's all talk about how the dude tripping on Meth and Fentanyl is a victim to society.People are marching for police brutality and the systematic oppression of black people. Not for COVID or random other crimes.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 07, 2020, 03:27:47 AM
People are marching for police brutality and the systematic oppression of black people. Not for COVID or random other crimes.
So you don't think the systematic oppression of black people has anything to do with why they're dying at 2-3 times the rate of white people from covid? I guess socioeconomics, access to healthcare, medications researched/catered towards blacks has anything to do with any of that?
But nah, you're right the 57 blacks per 10 million killed by police officers is a much bigger issue than the 25,000 blacks who died from COVID the last 3 months.
I think we also should have a serious conversation about the 2 black people who die a year from shark attacks.
(I'm not trying to marginalize police brutality, I 100% agree that policizing and criminalization in the United States is completely excrement)
But literally 1500-2000 TIMES more black people have died from covid since March than police officers and the whole conversation is on the wrong topic.
I'd even go so far as to say more blacks have died from COVID than from police officers since the inception of the United States
Post by: insanity on June 07, 2020, 06:14:41 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 07, 2020, 07:15:53 AM
But why should racism/oppression of dozens of individual be more significant than the racism/oppression of tens of thousands?
I'll fully acknowledge and concede how shitty policing is. But I fail to understand how systemic racism that leads to the death of tens of thousands is secondary to possible racism (I think him being strung out on Meth and Fentanyl had more to do with it tbh) of a few scummy cops that murdered one dude.
Again I won't be a stubborn freak and I'll end it there, but I am trying to better understand an opposing viewpoint
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 07, 2020, 09:38:59 AM
the floyd murder kicked off the riots, but it's been about much more than that. it was a perfect storm of recent horrible events that have occurred including the deaths of arbery and taylor, and that heinous video of amy cooper, under the backdrop of the black community's harsh fight with covid. floyd's murder was the tipping point that kickstarted all of these protests. but it's not just about police brutality against blacks. it's obviously become much more than any of their deaths, with calls for justice for blacks that have been done wrong by the government, by non-cops, by other civilians, etc.
i honestly do not know what you are trying to argue. the thing that you're saying you'd like to see protested (LOL).....is being protested. again, it seems you'd only be happy with these protests (LOL) if it was a squeaky clean black guy that got murdered, and it sounds like you wished people were out there with 'FVCK YOU COVID!' signs as opposed to BLM and calls for justice and equality, not understanding that the inequality the blacks have in this country is the harsh reality that has caused their difficult battle with covid
Post by: IATA on June 07, 2020, 09:43:23 AM
this is totally normal and not at all totalitarian at all. nope. no way, alllll normal
Post by: Johnny English on June 07, 2020, 10:17:24 AM
Post by: reuben on June 07, 2020, 11:51:33 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gyd5iz/about_10_minutes_ago_blm_protestors_in_bristol/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gyd5iz/about_10_minutes_ago_blm_protestors_in_bristol/)
Post by: delavan on June 07, 2020, 01:16:16 PM
Show me where I ever, ever said that.
Anyone want to direct delavan to the post where i literally explicitly condemn that kind of thinking?
You're absolutely right - I mistakenly attributed dcm's post to you. My bad, my apologies.
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Post by: delavan on June 07, 2020, 01:22:41 PM
I'm not justifying his murder, I'm just not absolving him of all responsibility.You forgot to blame him for all the littering and graffiti as well.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/George_Floyd_Memorial_at_Chicago_Avenue_%26_38th_Street_%2849952803788%29.jpg/640px-George_Floyd_Memorial_at_Chicago_Avenue_%26_38th_Street_%2849952803788%29.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on June 07, 2020, 05:11:53 PM
Jolly Ol', getting in on the fun.The video is fun but the Google response in the follow up tweet is better.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gyd5iz/about_10_minutes_ago_blm_protestors_in_bristol/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gyd5iz/about_10_minutes_ago_blm_protestors_in_bristol/)
https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1269650168640610304?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 07, 2020, 05:27:18 PM
https://theappeal.org/minneapolis-city-council-members-announce-intent-to-disband-the-police-department-invest-in-proven-community-led-public-safety/ (https://theappeal.org/minneapolis-city-council-members-announce-intent-to-disband-the-police-department-invest-in-proven-community-led-public-safety/)
Post by: reuben on June 07, 2020, 05:31:46 PM
The video is fun but the Google response in the follow up tweet is better.
https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1269650168640610304?s=19
Google Maps, savage
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 07, 2020, 05:54:10 PM
The video is fun but the Google response in the follow up tweet is better.
https://twitter.com/tom_nuttall/status/1269650168640610304?s=19
Here's another good thread.
https://twitter.com/profmusgrave/status/1269724480731066375?s=19 (https://twitter.com/profmusgrave/status/1269724480731066375?s=19)
Post by: Heismanberg on June 08, 2020, 09:57:27 AM
ATX
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 08, 2020, 03:47:49 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 08, 2020, 05:07:03 PM
"washing the feet of the organizers and asking for forgiveness."
Cary, NC https://t.co/TqSYBtt6Ky
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200608/a915fc10c0ec777dd0b7c05320b6d45c.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 08, 2020, 05:20:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2020, 05:22:15 PM
Getting a bit weird now.
"washing the feet of the organizers and asking for forgiveness."
Cary, NC https://t.co/TqSYBtt6Ky
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200608/a915fc10c0ec777dd0b7c05320b6d45c.jpg)
Bitch do you even scripture
Post by: Badger on June 09, 2020, 09:25:18 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 09, 2020, 09:28:04 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018?s=19
Donnie watching an actual fake news channel while tweeting out “FAKE NEWS!!!” on the daily is great content
Post by: delavan on June 09, 2020, 10:32:01 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018?s=1975 year old waif's Antifa? Trump's a broken record lunatic (captain obvious)..
Post by: IATA on June 09, 2020, 11:15:00 AM
in front of an lapd precinct lmao
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 09, 2020, 12:24:18 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 09, 2020, 12:38:54 PM
Post by: reuben on June 09, 2020, 04:49:53 PM
Yeah but see this was STRATEGIC indiscriminate destruction of property.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 09, 2020, 05:20:52 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/gzpgba/minnesota_police_slashed_car_tires_at_george/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/gzpgba/minnesota_police_slashed_car_tires_at_george/)
Yeah but see this was STRATEGIC indiscriminate destruction of property.
That's cool, not like anyone would need their cars to support their livelihood.
Post by: Badger on June 09, 2020, 06:50:44 PM
Post by: Badger on June 09, 2020, 07:11:58 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 09, 2020, 07:44:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Jezebel/status/1270434258071564289?s=19
I actually said "I yield my time, freak you" on a call today. Granted it was with a guy I work with who a) is awesome, and b) knows the reference because we were talking about it last week, but still. I feel like this can enter the standard lexicon fairly easily.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 09, 2020, 08:19:16 PM
I actually said "I yield my time, freak you" on a call today. Granted it was with a guy I work with who a) is awesome, and b) knows the reference because we were talking about it last week, but still. I feel like this can enter the standard lexicon fairly easily.What a legendary quote.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 10, 2020, 07:45:09 AM
I actually said "I yield my time, freak you" on a call today. Granted it was with a guy I work with who a) is awesome, and b) knows the reference because we were talking about it last week, but still. I feel like this can enter the standard lexicon fairly easily.
I wish Junc was still around so someone could drop this line on him
Post by: delavan on June 10, 2020, 09:32:21 AM
I wish Junc was still around so someone could drop this line on him
Quote from: junc
"27th ranked but top 10 best"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 10, 2020, 04:59:26 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 10, 2020, 05:06:48 PM
https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/1269353896796921856?s=21
I did not know this and I am not surprised to learn it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 10, 2020, 07:43:29 PM
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2020, 06:29:44 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 11, 2020, 07:47:40 AM
Post by: delavan on June 11, 2020, 10:05:25 AM
https://twitter.com/EmmaVigeland/status/1270903204226703369?s=19
Follow the yellow brick road
#BLM
Post by: Johnny English on June 11, 2020, 11:36:00 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/S33RDty.png)
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 11, 2020, 11:39:47 AM
He’s also recently referred to the Secret Service as the SS.
Post by: Johnny English on June 11, 2020, 11:44:14 AM
https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1271063052834803712?s=20 (https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1271063052834803712?s=20)
He’s also recently referred to the Secret Service as the SS.
Feels like Stephen Miller is now in full control.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 11, 2020, 11:47:40 AM
Racism is over
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 11, 2020, 11:48:55 AM
https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1271063052834803712?s=20 (https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1271063052834803712?s=20)
He’s also recently referred to the Secret Service as the SS.
The official acronym is USSS
Post by: bojanglesman on June 11, 2020, 12:48:26 PM
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2020, 01:23:22 PM
As much as he's an poopchute, I really think the SS thing was not intentional. I can't imagine anyone here thought of Nazis the second they read SS in his tweet. Trump isn't smart enough to sneak in an under the radar racist comment. He doesn't know enough about history or anything.He actually double majored in Business and History of Racism at the Hwarton School of Business, great school, very good
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 11, 2020, 01:50:30 PM
As much as he's an poopchute, I really think the SS thing was not intentional. I can't imagine anyone here thought of Nazis the second they read SS in his tweet. Trump isn't smart enough to sneak in an under the radar racist comment. He doesn't know enough about history or anything.
He’s either intentionally making the reference or being completely oblivious. Neither are good or excusable for the highest office.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 11, 2020, 02:03:37 PM
He’s either intentionally making the reference or being completely oblivious. Neither are good or excusable for the highest office.Probably oblivious. I'm not a big acronym user myself, but I can't say I wouldn't do the same if I tried to use one for the secret service. I know what the SS was, but it isn't the most prominent thought that crosses my head 24/7. I certainly didnt know there was an official acronym for the Secret Service until I saw others mention it. I'm not afraid to admit there are things I don't know that others do, many in fact. Of his many mistakes, this one is low on the totem pole. But people are rightfully geared up to be offended with everything he says, so I'm not surprised someone brought it up.
Post by: Johnny English on June 11, 2020, 02:06:38 PM
I certainly didnt know there was an official acronym for the Secret Service until I saw others mention it.
I'll bet that you would if you were a) in charge of it and b) surrounded by it every day.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 11, 2020, 02:08:37 PM
I'll bet that you would if you were a) in charge of it and b) surrounded by it every day.Have you met me? I couldn't hail a taxi in a city.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 11, 2020, 03:26:11 PM
I'll bet that you would if you were a) in charge of it and b) surrounded by it every day.
You think Trump goes around calling them United States Secret Service agents? He has an unnecessary nickname for everything and the “United States” seems kinda redundant here
We’re microanalyzing the words of a guy who spends half of his day trying to figure out how to get his dumbass thought diarrhea to fit into 140 character word sharts
Post by: Johnny English on June 11, 2020, 03:30:17 PM
You think Trump goes around calling them United States Secret Service agents? He has an unnecessary nickname for everything and the “United States” seems kinda redundant here
We’re microanalyzing the words of a guy who spends half of his day trying to figure out how to get his dumbass thought diarrhea to fit into 140 character word sharts
Yeah, I was just reassuring Bo that if he were POTUS he wouldn't be as dumb as the current incumbent.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 11, 2020, 04:21:59 PM
Yeah, I was just reassuring Bo that if he were POTUS he wouldn't be as dumb as the current incumbent...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200611/e5af66e3939240e365b64aaf5f5e8e1f.gif)
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 11, 2020, 06:05:43 PM
As much as he's an poopchute, I really think the SS thing was not intentional. I can't imagine anyone here thought of Nazis the second they read SS in his tweet. Trump isn't smart enough to sneak in an under the radar racist comment. He doesn't know enough about history or anything.I actually agree with this. I attribute this to stupidity and ignorance as opposed to racism. Always hard to pinpoint which part of the idiot-in-chief is causing his insane statements.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 11, 2020, 06:06:12 PM
We’re microanalyzing the words of a guy who spends half of his day trying to figure out how to get his dumbass thought diarrhea to fit into 140 character word shartsI thought he had the best words doe.
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2020, 11:07:33 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 12, 2020, 11:17:34 AM
LETS GO
Post by: Johnny English on June 12, 2020, 01:36:59 PM
The tears of right wing rage if Carlson becomes "the latest victim of cancel culture" will be freaking delicious.
Post by: insanity on June 12, 2020, 02:13:24 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/11/tucker-carlson-fox-news-advertisers-protestsThis will only continue. Major conversations are starting to happen across the controllers of media advertising.
The tears of right wing rage if Carlson becomes "the latest victim of cancel culture" will be freaking delicious.
Post by: reuben on June 12, 2020, 02:27:38 PM
Post by: insanity on June 12, 2020, 02:28:31 PM
Fox News commercial breaks are just gonna be gold coin ads one after another at this rate.Their website too.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
Fox News commercial breaks are just gonna be gold coin ads one after another at this rate.And reverse mortgages.
Post by: delavan on June 12, 2020, 02:57:30 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/11/tucker-carlson-fox-news-advertisers-protests
The tears of right wing rage if Carlson becomes "the latest victim of cancel culture" will be freaking delicious.
What was also eyebrow-raising was the Guardian themselves mentioning the very same thing:
Our business model is coming under great pressure from an unprecedented collapse in advertising revenues, and we’d love your help so that we can carry on our essential work. If you can, support the Guardian from as little as $1 – and it only takes a minute. Thank you.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 12, 2020, 03:00:52 PM
Best comment:
Quote
Dude put his mask on the seat next to him?!? at this rate the real Zodiac Killer will come out of hiding to say he's sick and tired of all the people accusing him of being Ted Cruz
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2020, 03:54:49 PM
Fox News commercial breaks are just gonna be gold coin ads one after another at this rate.
And reverse mortgages.Don't forget MyPillow
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 12, 2020, 07:12:31 PM
God Damn.
This man has always been the GOAT at this
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2020, 11:02:29 PM
The CHAZ vs the Virgin Fox News
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 07:46:29 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 13, 2020, 01:46:56 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 13, 2020, 02:12:04 PM
You'd better believe that if a contractor rolls up to work on my house with a Confederate flag he's getting fired on the spot. And of course that sounds stupid because I live in Canada, but sadly it's all too common.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/confederate-flags-ontario-1.5607598
Post by: delavan on June 13, 2020, 03:00:55 PM
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1271504875575279617?s=20
You'd better believe that if a contractor rolls up to work on my house with a Confederate flag he's getting fired on the spot. And of course that sounds stupid because I live in Canada, but sadly it's all too common.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/confederate-flags-ontario-1.5607598
May I ask a question? Are you a Brit expat?
Post by: Johnny English on June 13, 2020, 03:23:52 PM
May I ask a question? Are you a Brit expat?I prefer the terms "immigrant" or "refugee"
Post by: reuben on June 13, 2020, 03:43:31 PM
May I ask a question? Are you a Brit expat?
No, it's just an act. Ask him about tea.
Post by: Johnny English on June 13, 2020, 03:49:42 PM
No, it's just an act. Ask him about tea.
It's true. I'm a better Canadian than I am an Englishman, I love hockey and crap beer and I hate tea and imperialism.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 13, 2020, 04:06:10 PM
I prefer the terms "immigrant" or "refugee"I just assumed you were the world's worst spy.
Post by: delavan on June 13, 2020, 04:57:49 PM
https://twitter.com/MattWSB/status/1271909804848623617
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 05:04:47 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 13, 2020, 05:25:40 PM
Take guns away from cops.Let them keep the guns, but add bayonets.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 05:32:49 PM
Let them keep the guns, but add bayonets.
That seems infinitely worse.
Post by: Badger on June 13, 2020, 05:35:34 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 13, 2020, 05:42:19 PM
That seems infinitely worse.Ok....replace the guns with flamethrowers
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 05:49:51 PM
Keep the guns but they fire backwards 40% of the time
I’m down.
Post by: Badger on June 13, 2020, 05:57:21 PM
Ok....replace the guns with flamethrowersBut they fire backwards 40% of the time
Post by: MBGreen on June 13, 2020, 06:03:17 PM
But they fire backwards 40% of the timeYou want the ones manufactured in Poland
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 13, 2020, 06:37:12 PM
Keep the guns but they fire backwards 40% of the time
I... actually like this idea.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 06:48:11 PM
Post by: Badger on June 13, 2020, 11:34:25 PM
https://twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1271991304273178625?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 14, 2020, 09:39:32 AM
Ruh roh
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 14, 2020, 12:13:12 PM
Post by: delavan on June 15, 2020, 02:14:44 PM
Some Goober schooling Chris Cuomo (Fredo being Fredo)
https://twitter.com/calebjhull/status/1272164958600597507
Post by: Badger on June 15, 2020, 02:33:24 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 15, 2020, 02:42:15 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 15, 2020, 02:45:16 PM
He has a glorious mullet, he can do whatever the freak he wants.
plus....he's a man, he's 40.
Post by: Badger on June 15, 2020, 02:45:31 PM
He has a glorious mullet, he can do whatever the freak he wants.We'll always have this
https://youtu.be/zQ3oXkDPKbM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 15, 2020, 02:58:39 PM
We'll always have this..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/db37a604002cca9eee74c0eee2b4b146.gif)
https://youtu.be/zQ3oXkDPKbM
Post by: delavan on June 15, 2020, 04:50:07 PM
https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1271984160437989376
Post by: reuben on June 15, 2020, 06:35:53 PM
God that woman is tough to look at. Anyone seen Sleepwalkers?
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 15, 2020, 07:15:23 PM
Post by: Badger on June 15, 2020, 07:17:34 PM
she is giving lapd chief moore a run at his money for 'the most racist eyebrows of all time'https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/02/fashion-school-apologises-racist-show-200220083918318.html
Post by: Heismanberg on June 15, 2020, 07:23:20 PM
Anyone seen Sleepwalkers?
lmao
Post by: delavan on June 15, 2020, 10:43:08 PM
Matthias Baldwin was an abolitionist - is there something else (another, deeper message) in play here?
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1270967129370550273
Post by: dcm1602 on June 15, 2020, 11:21:36 PM
Matthias Baldwin was an abolitionist - is there something else (another, deeper message) in play here?
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1270967129370550273
The deeper message is probably nobody knows who the freak he is
Post by: Badger on June 15, 2020, 11:31:39 PM
The deeper message is probably nobody knows who the freak he isAlso that twitter account is for retards
Post by: Badger on June 15, 2020, 11:31:44 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 16, 2020, 07:09:33 AM
Wild thread
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 16, 2020, 07:17:33 AM
Post by: Badger on June 16, 2020, 08:44:45 AM
Also that twitter account is for retardshttps://twitter.com/JarJarFan69/status/1272886306939400193?s=19
Post by: Badger on June 16, 2020, 09:04:56 AM
(https://i.redd.it/hsgimik2i9551.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on June 16, 2020, 09:49:14 AM
Damn maybe their union should have focused on this sort of thing instead of insulating them from the consequences of their actions
(https://i.redd.it/hsgimik2i9551.jpg)
Cops have been making mad stacks due to their OT for years....in Wpg anyway.
My IT position salary in the police division tops out 45k higher than in my current division. That's base salary, no OT included. It's insane.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 16, 2020, 09:49:44 AM
Black Austin Matters is currently being painted on Congress Avenue, the road that leads directly to the capitol building.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 16, 2020, 09:50:48 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 16, 2020, 09:57:37 AM
Can we get someone to paint "Tough Shop" on one of the roads in NY?
Tough Shop guy was in Pennsylvania
Post by: Heismanberg on June 16, 2020, 09:59:04 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 16, 2020, 10:02:09 AM
Actually, just looked him up and he is in East Orange, NJ.
I thought he was in the White House
Post by: Johnny English on June 16, 2020, 01:27:03 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 07:46:21 AM
#RIPPancakes
Post by: bojanglesman on June 17, 2020, 08:05:44 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/business/aunt-jemima-logo-change/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2020-06-17T12%3A00%3A08&utm_term=link&utm_medium=socialUncle Ben's Rice is on shaky ground too.
#RIPPancakes
In 5 years, all food labels will just say "food", nothing else.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 17, 2020, 08:29:45 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 17, 2020, 08:33:33 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/business/aunt-jemima-logo-change/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2020-06-17T12%3A00%3A08&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social
#RIPPancakes
This is why everyone treats millennials like snowflakes
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 08:36:33 AM
This is why everyone treats millennials like snowflakes
Because global corporations make marketing decisions based upon evolving brand perceptions?
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 08:45:51 AM
In 5 years, all food labels will just say "food", nothing else.
ding ding ding
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 08:46:44 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 17, 2020, 08:48:01 AM
Because global corporations make marketing decisions based upon evolving brand perceptions?
Whose perception do you think they're evolving based upon?
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 08:49:19 AM
We've still got my babbie, Mrs. Butterworth
soon she'll be accused of white privilege.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 08:50:12 AM
Whose perception do you think they're evolving based upon?
...um, black people that don't want to see a slave when they walk down the breakfast aisle
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 08:51:52 AM
Whose perception do you think they're evolving based upon?
That of their entire addressable market. Is it your view that the primary market for pancake mixes and toppings is millennials?
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 08:52:05 AM
...um, black people that don't want to see a slave when they walk down the breakfast aisle
She seems quite happy for enduring slavery....
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8c/6b/d1/8c6bd1d83424a87e2681191c66fb0468.gif)
Post by: dcm1602 on June 17, 2020, 08:53:58 AM
...um, black people that don't want to see a slave when they walk down the breakfast aisle
Is there a picture of a slave on the box?
Or a free woman born 130 years ago during a period of slavery, who then worked for the company?
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 08:54:27 AM
Is there a picture of a slave on the box?
Or a free woman born 130 years ago during a period of slavery, who then worked for the company?
lmao
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 08:55:23 AM
Is there a picture of a slave on the box?
Or a free woman born 130 years ago during a period of slavery, who then worked for the company?
If you read the article, you'd know the lady Aunt Jemima is based off of was born into slavery.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 08:56:29 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 08:56:44 AM
If you read the article, you'd know the lady Aunt Jemima is based off of was born into slavery.
But she was free!
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 08:57:33 AM
But she was free!
momma can whip up a batch of syrup...lemme tell you.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 17, 2020, 08:59:28 AM
That of their entire addressable market. Is it your view that the primary market for pancake mixes and toppings is millennials?
No its my old view that a 60 year old isn't going to stop using the same syrup they've used for the last 60 years because the woman was born into slavery.
Is there anything racially insensitive about this other than the woman was born into slavery then became a free woman than worked with the company?
This is grasping at straws
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 09:01:06 AM
No its my old view that a 60 year old isn't going to stop using the same syrup they've used for the last 60 years because the woman was born into slavery.
Is there anything racially insensitive about this other than the woman was born into slavery then became a free woman than worked with the company?
This is grasping at straws
Let's add corporate branding policy and PCs to the list of stuff that dcm doesn't understand.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 09:13:01 AM
Is there anything racially insensitive about this other than the woman was born into slavery then became a free woman than worked with the company?
Aunt Jemima is not a real.
She is a cartoon character the represents slavery.
Post by: Jumbo on June 17, 2020, 09:17:46 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2020, 09:21:19 AM
Quote
The Jets office will be closed on Friday, June 19, in observance of Juneteenth, I’m told.
Team employees were notified earlier this week that it would be a staff holiday.
Manish
Post by: bojanglesman on June 17, 2020, 09:21:42 AM
Just replace it with something non-offensive and whitebread sounding. I would go with Uncle Tom's.Haha. Tyrone Biggums syrup.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2020, 09:22:06 AM
Just replace it with something non-offensive and whitebread sounding. I would go with Uncle Tom's.
Uncle Kracker
Post by: bojanglesman on June 17, 2020, 09:22:25 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 17, 2020, 09:38:54 AM
Is there a picture of a slave on the box?
Or a free woman born 130 years ago during a period of slavery, who then worked for the company?
oh my god
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 17, 2020, 09:39:22 AM
In 5 years, all food labels will just say "food", nothing else.
sounds like communism
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 09:40:34 AM
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 09:42:58 AM
This is why everyone treats millennials like snowflakesPepsico's CEO is 56 you stupid bitch
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 09:45:40 AM
This is grasping at straws
Self-describing every one of your posts in this thread
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 09:47:00 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 09:47:48 AM
There are only two acceptable reactions to this news, "that's nice" and "I don't care".
Pancake syrup just doesn't taste the same without that underlying whiff of exploitation.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 17, 2020, 09:51:15 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 17, 2020, 09:51:50 AM
Post by: Jumbo on June 17, 2020, 09:52:59 AM
This offends me more.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/4e29c7367bab94a3bc8127bde0e811c1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/1f0d0bfc645e6c7452c6863d0a7a025c.jpg)
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1273259685773271040
Post by: mj2sexay on June 17, 2020, 10:09:26 AM
Without checking twitter, I'm sure people are calling for it.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 10:15:56 AM
When does Uncle Ben get canceled?
Without checking twitter, I'm sure people are calling for it.
Mars Inc said this morning that they are re-branding as well
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 10:30:44 AM
This offends me more.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/4e29c7367bab94a3bc8127bde0e811c1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200617/1f0d0bfc645e6c7452c6863d0a7a025c.jpg)
She looks like the "2 weeeeks" lady from Total Recall
Post by: IATA on June 17, 2020, 10:31:45 AM
Uncle Ben's Rice is on shaky ground too.
In 5 years, all food labels will just say "food", nothing else.
https://www.cpacanada.ca/en/news/pivot-magazine/2020-02-25-no-name-ad-campaign
Canada is, once again, light years ahead of the US
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 10:53:26 AM
When does Uncle Ben get canceled?
He gets cancelled every time Peter lets that bad guy get away.
Post by: delavan on June 17, 2020, 03:09:29 PM
soon she'll be accused of white privilege.
You rang Mr. Clean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0nc1P5n81w
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2020, 03:25:53 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 17, 2020, 03:29:13 PM
Post by: reuben on June 17, 2020, 03:29:19 PM
BREAKING: Atlanta police officer accused of shooting Rayshard Brooks will be charged with felony murder plus 10 more charges, DA says
Goddamn, no killer cop is safe anymore.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 03:31:24 PM
There was no threat of him even being tased and he still shot him in the back.
Lock him up and throw away the key.
Post by: reuben on June 17, 2020, 03:35:28 PM
I didn't know the taser had already been fired twice.
Nor I. Makes a lot more sense now.
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 03:37:35 PM
The next time you mistake me for Italian Seafood....we’ll have words.
You rang Mr. Clean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0nc1P5n81w
Post by: delavan on June 17, 2020, 03:42:35 PM
The next time you mistake me for Italian Seafood....we’ll have words.lol
Post by: bojanglesman on June 17, 2020, 03:48:07 PM
BREAKING: Atlanta police officer accused of shooting Rayshard Brooks will be charged with felony murder plus 10 more charges, DA says
Getting my shootings mixed up. Was this the Wendy's one?
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 03:55:34 PM
Putting this here for now.
A teaser for the new Candyman film.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 03:55:41 PM
Getting my shootings mixed up. Was this the Wendy's one?
Yes
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 03:58:42 PM
https://twitter.com/NiaDaCosta/status/1273293842113089536?s=20I have the original on my quarantine playlist, maybe I'll bump it up.
Putting this here for now.
A teaser for the new Candyman film.
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 04:01:35 PM
I have the original on my quarantine playlist, maybe I'll bump it up.
It was brilliant at the time, one of the best of its time. I'm not sure how well it will have stood the test of time though, I haven't seen it in a very long time.
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 04:03:55 PM
It was brilliant at the time, one of the best of its time. I'm not sure how well it will have stood the test of time though, I haven't seen it in a very long time.Virginia Madsen milf funbags FTW
Post by: reuben on June 17, 2020, 04:13:31 PM
https://twitter.com/NiaDaCosta/status/1273293842113089536?s=20
Putting this here for now.
A teaser for the new Candyman film.
Written by JP? I'm in.
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 04:45:50 PM
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Her personal life once spilled into court. A few years ago, according to a lawsuit she filed, she had become involved with a married man and had lent him $65,000. When he did not leave his wife for her, she filed the suit in Manhattan to get back the money, before settling.
~~~
In a lawsuit filed in 2015, when she was no longer dating Mr. Priest, Ms. Cooper sought repayment of $65,000. She said she had given him the money to help speed his divorce and pay another woman he was involved with to abort her pregnancy, according to court records.
In the lawsuit, Ms. Cooper said Mr. Priest preyed on her emotions to get the money, promising it would help them to be together.
Instead, she said she discovered that his wife, Tianna, whom he was divorcing, was pregnant — and Mr. Priest was planning to marry a third woman, who was also pregnant, the lawsuit said.
~~~
In an interview, Mr. Priest denied that he’d had a romantic relationship with Ms. Cooper, though he admitted to borrowing the money. He called her a “stalker” who fictionalized their relationship, then erupted when it did not go her way.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/nyregion/central-park-amy-cooper-christian-racism.html
Post by: reuben on June 17, 2020, 04:58:55 PM
The NYT did a hilarious deep dive on Central Park Karen
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/nyregion/central-park-amy-cooper-christian-racism.html
I need more info on Mr. Priest, he sounds cool.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2020, 06:38:56 PM
Post by: IATA on June 17, 2020, 09:50:45 PM
Things got HEATED between Cedric Richmond and Matt Gaetz just now.
Richmond: "It's not about the color of your kids. It's about black males...If one of them happens to be your kid, I'm more concerned about him then you!"
Gaetz: "Who the hell do you think you are?!"
"A kicked dog hollers."
"If the shoe fits..."
"Was that a nerve?"
yall MUST watch this absolute bitch matt gaetz get freaking deepthroated by cedric richmond. incredible
Post by: dcm1602 on June 17, 2020, 10:04:34 PM
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1273338941593305089
Things got HEATED between Cedric Richmond and Matt Gaetz just now.
Richmond: "It's not about the color of your kids. It's about black males...If one of them happens to be your kid, I'm more concerned about him then you!"
Gaetz: "Who the hell do you think you are?!"
"A kicked dog hollers."
"If the shoe fits..."
"Was that a nerve?"
yall MUST watch this absolute bitch matt gaetz get freaking deepthroated by cedric richmond. incredible
Hard for me to take seriously someone who doesn't know the difference between then and than.
Even I know that
And this dudes a freaking editor for the daily beast
Post by: reuben on June 17, 2020, 10:07:49 PM
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1273338941593305089
Things got HEATED between Cedric Richmond and Matt Gaetz just now.
Richmond: "It's not about the color of your kids. It's about black males...If one of them happens to be your kid, I'm more concerned about him then you!"
Gaetz: "Who the hell do you think you are?!"
"A kicked dog hollers."
"If the shoe fits..."
"Was that a nerve?"
yall MUST watch this absolute bitch matt gaetz get freaking deepthroated by cedric richmond. incredible
Gaetz: "HOW DARE YOU I care just as much about my hypothetical children as you do!!!!"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2020, 10:32:01 PM
Post by: IATA on June 17, 2020, 10:48:09 PM
Hard for me to take seriously someone who doesn't know the difference between then and than.
Even I know that
And this dudes a freaking editor for the daily beast
you are just the freaking worst.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 17, 2020, 11:12:22 PM
you are just the freaking worst.
I didn't comment nor even watch the video
But is it not pathetic for an editor to not have the grammatical skills of a child?
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 11:13:40 PM
Gaetz really is the worstHey that's the 47th POTUS you're talking about
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 11:14:01 PM
I didn't comment nor even watch the videodcm is truly a liberal
But is it not pathetic for an editor to not have the grammatical skills of a child?
Post by: reuben on June 17, 2020, 11:24:41 PM
Hard for me to take seriously someone who doesn't know the difference between then and than.
Even I know that
And this dudes a freaking editor for the daily beast
bonified
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 11:46:49 PM
Give this man a medal
Post by: dcm1602 on June 18, 2020, 12:08:07 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hat3bp/karen_tells_man_he_doesnt_belong_in_neighborhood/
Give this man a medal
Context matters
Quote
I watched the first half of this in person. This started because this dude was blasting super loud explicit rap on Webster and she asked him to turn it down. This caused him to go off on her, and then follow her in his car down the block screaming these same insults at her. I didn’t hear her say anything about oakland, but there’s plenty of racist people (especially the older generation) on the island so I believe it. However, this video kind of feels like this dude was looking to pick a fight and film it.
Obviously the first half of the encounter isn't on video so nobody knows the truth, but these days nobody seems to care about it. (and to be fair Trumps more guilty of that than anyone so this certainly isn't a partisan attribute}
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 05:56:04 AM
bonified(https://i.redd.it/4bvf9l7upj551.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 06:13:51 AM
Now I have evolved to a level of metaphysical being where I don’t require syrup to eat pancakes or waffles. Rawdog, no fork/knife, just fold em up and wolf em down.
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 07:22:36 AM
Now I have evolved to a level of metaphysical being where I don’t require syrup to eat pancakes or waffles. Rawdog, no fork/knife, just fold em up and wolf em down.
This is worse than my plain burger post
Post by: mj2sexay on June 18, 2020, 07:30:17 AM
Now I have evolved to a level of metaphysical being where I don’t require syrup to eat pancakes or waffles. Rawdog, no fork/knife, just fold em up and wolf em down.
Gross.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 07:46:48 AM
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 07:47:27 AM
My dude is out here freaking his pancakesAnd not using lube
Post by: insanity on June 18, 2020, 07:47:54 AM
Gaetz really is the worstHe is the literal definition of an asshat
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 07:51:46 AM
He is the literal definition of an asshatWhich is why he will win in 2024
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 08:14:44 AM
Now I have evolved to a level of metaphysical being where I don’t require syrup to eat pancakes or waffles. Rawdog, no fork/knife, just fold em up and wolf em down.
People died in WW2 so you wouldn't have to do this
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 08:16:29 AM
This is worse than my plain burger post
i will never forgive you for that.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 08:19:49 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 08:20:25 AM
I knew this would trigger people. My pizza loses her mind
Wait....you were serious?
Someone never taught you how to use your white privilege. Syrup is a perk, my dude.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 08:20:27 AM
My dude is out here freaking his pancakes
Joey Chestnut style
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 08:24:05 AM
i will never forgive you for that.Dry pancakes are by far more egregious, especially since it's a voluntary choice, the plain burger post is about making the best of limited supplies.
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 08:26:45 AM
Dry pancakes are by far more egregious, especially since it's a voluntary choice, the plain burger post is about making the best of limited supplies.
too late.....still hurt my feels
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 18, 2020, 08:35:01 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 08:36:50 AM
dry pancakes can actually taste good
BEHIND ME, SATAN!!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 08:37:25 AM
dry pancakes can actually taste good
LETS freaking GO
Post by: mj2sexay on June 18, 2020, 08:49:31 AM
dry pancakes can actually taste good
I can forgo syrup if I'm dealing with some bougie excrement like chopped fruit on top of my pancakes. Otherwise this is crazy.
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 08:50:35 AM
Dry pancakes are by far more egregious, especially since it's a voluntary choice, the plain burger post is about making the best of limited supplies.
At what point do you ever find yourself completely out of any kind of condiment or topping to add to your burger and in no position to go and get something? Eating plain burgers is the unholy result of complete disorganisation and extreme laziness.
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 08:51:54 AM
I can forgo syrup if I'm dealing with some bougie excrement like chopped fruit on top of my pancakes. Otherwise this is crazy.
Dry pancakes is up there with racism.
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 08:53:27 AM
At what point do you ever find yourself completely out of any kind of condiment or topping to add to your burger and in no position to go and get something? Eating plain burgers is the unholy result of complete disorganisation and extreme laziness.
Plain burgers are offensive.
God invented mustard, relish, mayo, bbq sauce and fried onions for a reason.
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 09:02:34 AM
At what point do you ever find yourself completely out of any kind of condiment or topping to add to your burger and in no position to go and get something? Eating plain burgers is the unholy result of complete disorganisation and extreme laziness.
You need to realize me eating plain burgers is the end result of someone else's disorganization. I'm at some event, they made a lot of burgers, they ran out of cheese, they put away the condiments, there are plain burgers out there and I'm still hungry. If anything I'm a hero in the fight against waste.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 09:04:10 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 09:10:33 AM
You need to realize me eating plain burgers is the end result of someone else's disorganization. I'm at some event, they made a lot of burgers, they ran out of cheese, they put away the condiments, there are plain burgers out there and I'm still hungry. If anything I'm a hero in the fight against waste.
who the freak puts away the condiments while still serving burgers?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 09:22:02 AM
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Shortly after that announcement, ConAgra Brands, the maker of Mrs. Butterworth’s pancake syrup, released a statement saying the company had begun a “complete brand and package review.”
Critics have long associated the shape of the Mrs. Butterworth’s bottle with the mammy, a caricature of black women as subservient to white people.
For decades, many have expressed concerns about the matronly shape of the Mrs. Butterworth’s container.
“I think the key issue with Mrs. Butterworth is her physical shape, which strongly resembles the mammy caricature,” Professor Thomas said. “So while she’s been personified as an elderly white woman, mainly through vocal affect, her physique and style of dress bear a striking resemblance to that of the mammy.”
In its statement, ConAgra Brands said Mrs. Butterworth was “intended to evoke the images of a loving grandmother.” But the company said it wanted to stand in solidarity with “our black and brown communities, and we can see that our packaging may be interpreted in a way that is wholly inconsistent with our values.”
Ok I’m lost
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 09:39:06 AM
Ok I’m lostSounds like your family’s choice of syrup is racist after all.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2020, 09:43:59 AM
who the freak puts away the condiments while still serving burgers?..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200618/162d8847bd7f8affe0f56df7e5e64ffc.gif)
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 10:04:50 AM
Ok I’m lost
I mean... eh. I can kinda see it but it's not like you can complain about the colour of syrup being racist.
(https://i.imgur.com/0OjUXZm.png)
Pretty sure that half of it is just companies taking a convenient excuse to do some brand refresh.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 10:08:18 AM
Sounds like your family’s choice of syrup is racist after all.
I’m post-syrup
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 10:08:42 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 10:16:58 AM
I’m post-syrup
Didn't people whose ancestors were slave owners pay reparations.....sounds like you need to pay up for past transgressions with that syrup, son.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 10:17:20 AM
What are the options for non-racists outside of Vermont?
Hungry Jack
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 10:39:50 AM
What are the options for non-racists outside of Vermont?
Buy the real stuff from Canada. It's mostly covered in pictures of beavers and trees, so you should be fine with BLM on that one.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 18, 2020, 10:48:43 AM
Buy the real stuff from Canada. It's mostly covered in pictures of beavers and trees, so you should be fine with BLM on that one.
Beavers are sexism and is a symbol of oppressing women. You might as well be Harvey Weinstein. In order for black lives to matter, black women's lives have to matter.
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 10:50:00 AM
What are the options for non-racists outside of Vermont?
(https://memeguy.com/photos/images/the-new-face-of-hungry-jack-syrup-312811.jpg)
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2020, 10:53:20 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 11:49:31 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 18, 2020, 12:12:21 PM
McDonald’s pancake syrup is good. Although it’s hard to freak up syrup.
I'd consider not having any maple syrup in your pancake syrup freaking it up
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 18, 2020, 12:27:16 PM
Post by: reuben on June 18, 2020, 12:37:18 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 01:04:45 PM
I'd consider not having any maple syrup in your pancake syrup freaking it upOsme of you post, but I you’ve?
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 01:09:44 PM
Osme of you post, but I you’ve?
Some syrups do not contain any maple syrup. I believe that dcm's point is that if you're putting one of those on your pancakes then you're doing it wrong as only maple-based syrups are acceptable on pancakes.
I am not enough of a pancake connoisseur to hold an opinion on whether he is correct, but I thought his point was clearly enough made.
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 01:11:35 PM
Some syrups do not contain any maple syrup. I believe that dcm's point is that if you're putting one of those on your pancakes then you're doing it wrong as only maple-based syrups are acceptable on pancakes.Someone should dump industrial grade corn syrup on his pancakes
I am not enough of a pancake connoisseur to hold an opinion on whether he is correct, but I thought his point was clearly enough made.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 01:28:27 PM
https://www.stewartmaple.com/prodimages/vermont-maple-syrup-one-gallon.jpg
Once we got older/learned about the industrial syrup racism complex
*did not purchase full gallons at a time but it was the same exact kind of container with some kind of Vermont branding
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 01:33:55 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 01:42:24 PM
Upon further consideration, I remember Mrs. Butterworths as a kid and then converting to something like this:
https://www.stewartmaple.com/prodimages/vermont-maple-syrup-one-gallon.jpg
Once we got older/learned about the industrial syrup racism complex
*did not purchase full gallons at a time but it was the same exact kind of container with some kind of Vermont branding
I have the exact same container but mine contains real maple syrup instead of that poor imitation. I do not trust any bottle of maple syrup that does not have the grade on the label.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 03:15:34 PM
I have the exact same container but mine contains real maple syrup instead of that poor imitation. I do not trust any bottle of maple syrup that does not have the grade on the label.
What are the grades of maple syrup
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 03:27:03 PM
What are the grades of maple syrup
https://acadianmaple.com/pages/maple-syrup-grades
Post by: delavan on June 18, 2020, 04:07:03 PM
Upon further consideration, I remember Mrs. Butterworths as a kid and then converting to something like this:
https://www.stewartmaple.com/prodimages/vermont-maple-syrup-one-gallon.jpg
Once we got older/learned about the industrial syrup racism complex
*did not purchase full gallons at a time but it was the same exact kind of container with some kind of Vermont branding
In the "who asked? - who cares?" dept. we never had Butterworth/Jermima growing up -- only Vermont Maid (cute chick on the front label). Come to think about it, never Uncle Ben's either - always Carolina brand rice in those maroon & white boxes.
Now maple syrup's always the 'certified real deal' jug container stuff.
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 06:28:59 PM
What are the options for non-racists outside of Vermont?Trader Joe's
Edit: F U, H
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 06:30:05 PM
https://twitter.com/jangelooff/status/1273629952890601474?s=19
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 06:39:15 PM
https://twitter.com/PeopleMvmt/status/1273761190687227907?s=09
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 18, 2020, 06:40:20 PM
dcm I didn't know you were in town
https://twitter.com/PeopleMvmt/status/1273761190687227907?s=09
DCM is pregnant?
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 07:28:19 PM
DCM is pregnant?Heismanberg is the father
Post by: reuben on June 18, 2020, 07:33:23 PM
Soft.
https://twitter.com/jangelooff/status/1273629952890601474?s=19
dB's been licking boots through this whole thing and the NYPD will still hate him.
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 07:39:32 PM
dB's been licking boots through this whole thing and the NYPD will still hate him.He's been deferential to the dept since he was sworn in and they still despise him, it's breathtaking.
Which is why I hope Jumaane Williams runs for mayor next year. Imagine the fireworks under a mayor who'd actually hold them accountable.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 18, 2020, 07:58:30 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 19, 2020, 07:17:28 PM
Not to suggest that police reform isn't needed as it obviously is,but math. And you defund the police and how many more will die from drunk driving or murder (15 times more blacks are murdered a year than die by police).
Even if you completely abolished the police, the math just doesn't work
Post by: Johnny English on June 19, 2020, 07:40:54 PM
Interesting how virtually nothing was discussed about drunk driving during all of this. When blacks are 10 times more likely to die from that than the police.
Not to suggest that police reform isn't needed as it obviously is,but math. And you defund the police and how many more will die from drunk driving or murder (15 times more blacks are murdered a year than die by police).
Even if you completely abolished the police, the math just doesn't work
It's posts like this that make me hope that you have a drinking problem, because the idea that you'd come up with excrement like this sober is way more problematic.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 19, 2020, 07:50:53 PM
It's posts like this that make me hope that you have a drinking problem, because the idea that you'd come up with excrement like this sober is way more problematic.
How is it not warrantee as at least a discussion? I in absolutely no way am using it to justify the polices actions/murder in these two scenarios and I'm definitely not a blue lives matter kind of person. But when the dialog is about black lives matter, and you have two high profile cases of people driving while extremely intoxicated and near 3000 black people die a year from drunk driving isn't there SOME sort of opportunity here?
Plus again from a mathematical standpoint if you completely elimiainted all black police deaths (both justified and not) it would only take a 6 or 7 % uptick in murders and drunk driving fatalities to cancel it out. And that's before even including traffic and drug fatalities.
Police in the United States are overpaid dogshit and these recent cases were examples of freaking morons being hired. And while they need to do better, they're unfortunately a necessary evil
Post by: Johnny English on June 19, 2020, 07:56:05 PM
How is it not warrantee as at least a discussion? I in absolutely no way am using it to justify the polices actions/murder in these two scenarios and I'm definitely not a blue lives matter kind of person. But when the dialog is about black lives matter, and you have two high profile cases of people driving while extremely intoxicated and near 3000 black people die a year from drunk driving isn't there SOME sort of opportunity here?
Plus again from a mathematical standpoint if you completely elimiainted all black police deaths (both justified and not) it would only take a 6 or 7 % uptick in murders and drunk driving fatalities to cancel it out. And that's before even including traffic and drug fatalities.
Police in the United States are overpaid dogshit and these recent cases were examples of freaking morons being hired. And while they need to do better, they're unfortunately a necessary evil
Not sure if genuinely this ignorant. On so many levels.
Friday night, I'm going for pizza and a movie over doing this. You monumental freaking tool.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 19, 2020, 08:03:37 PM
Not sure if genuinely this ignorant. On so many levels.
Friday night, I'm going for pizza and a movie over doing this. You monumental freaking tool.
I'll try to simplify my argument because I'm simple minded.
People are using these two incidents to highlight how unnecessary police are. While the police acted horribly in both, they were also filling a very necessary role of stopping extremely intoxicated individuals from driving.
Post by: reuben on June 19, 2020, 08:15:20 PM
How is it not warrantee as at least a discussion?
dcm's raison d'etre
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 19, 2020, 08:25:26 PM
Interesting how virtually nothing was discussed about drunk driving during all of this. When blacks are 10 times more likely to die from that than the police.
Not to suggest that police reform isn't needed as it obviously is,but math. And you defund the police and how many more will die from drunk driving or murder (15 times more blacks are murdered a year than die by police).
Even if you completely abolished the police, the math just doesn't work
How is it not warrantee as at least a discussion? I in absolutely no way am using it to justify the polices actions/murder in these two scenarios and I'm definitely not a blue lives matter kind of person. But when the dialog is about black lives matter, and you have two high profile cases of people driving while extremely intoxicated and near 3000 black people die a year from drunk driving isn't there SOME sort of opportunity here?
Plus again from a mathematical standpoint if you completely elimiainted all black police deaths (both justified and not) it would only take a 6 or 7 % uptick in murders and drunk driving fatalities to cancel it out. And that's before even including traffic and drug fatalities.
Police in the United States are overpaid dogshit and these recent cases were examples of freaking morons being hired. And while they need to do better, they're unfortunately a necessary evil
the english just doesn't work in these posts
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 19, 2020, 09:43:40 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 19, 2020, 10:03:40 PM
I have no idea what is going on right now.
it’s the classic dcm self-own. Comes in all shapes and sizes and is sometime hard to identify.
Post by: IATA on June 19, 2020, 10:16:07 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 19, 2020, 10:40:29 PM
wow. a new low, and thats saying something.
By acknowledging that drunk driving kills a lot of people but doesn't get talked about because it's not sensationalist news?
Post by: Heismanberg on June 19, 2020, 10:45:50 PM
Post by: insanity on June 20, 2020, 07:08:55 AM
"Your honor my client cant be racist he is against drunk driving..."
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 20, 2020, 10:17:24 AM
why are we out here just complaining about cops? all we're doing is complaining about cops, that's all. we should be out in the streets chanting 'Fvck You Heart Disease' and 'All Organs Matter'
Post by: MBGreen on June 20, 2020, 11:09:01 AM
cardiovascular disease is still the #1 cause of death in americaDcm’s cardiologist called him a “struck match”
why are we out here just complaining about cops? all we're doing is complaining about cops, that's all. we should be out in the streets chanting 'Fvck You Heart Disease' and 'All Organs Matter'
Post by: mj2sexay on June 20, 2020, 12:17:12 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 20, 2020, 02:06:30 PM
Post by: Jumbo on June 20, 2020, 02:33:16 PM
Erectile dysfunction is the equal opportunity issue. Except women.
Are you implying women can't have dicks?!?!????1???????!?!?!!1?!??!
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 20, 2020, 03:51:30 PM
Are you implying women can't have dicks?!?!????1???????!?!?!!1?!??!All Dicks Matter.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 20, 2020, 06:11:18 PM
Are you implying women can't have dicks?!?!????1???????!?!?!!1?!??!Something something motion in the ocean...?
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2020, 11:52:54 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2020, 03:35:10 AM
cardiovascular disease is still the #1 cause of death in america
why are we out here just complaining about cops? all we're doing is complaining about cops, that's all. we should be out in the streets chanting 'Fvck You Heart Disease' and 'All Organs Matter'
Or how about what are the conditions and circumstances leading to blacks dying of heart disease at a dramatically higher rate than that of any other race?
I mean sure 100,000 blacks dying every year of heart disease at a much higher rate than any race is not as flashy a conversation as the 200 blacks killed by cops a year. But priorities and all
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 22, 2020, 05:07:21 AM
Or how about what are the conditions and circumstances leading to blacks dying of heart disease at a dramatically higher rate than that of any other race?
I mean sure 100,000 blacks dying every year of heart disease at a much higher rate than any race is not as flashy a conversation as the 200 blacks killed by cops a year. But priorities and all
do you try to go out of your way to come off daft
i already stated this to you in a post when you were whining that black people were protesting about BLM and not the coronavirus
the protests are not just about deaths by cops. it got started due a death from a cop but it's not just about that. it's not, stop perseverating on the number of deaths by cops. it's about the injustices and equalities that blacks in this country face at every level
the healthcare disparities the black population faces in this country is in large part due to socioeconomic and systemic inequalities their people have been facing for centuries here
the BLM protests are protesting the factors that have caused their population to suffer from things like coronavirus and cardiovascular disease at a higher rate than other groups
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2020, 06:02:15 AM
do you try to go out of your way to come off daft
i already stated this to you in a post when you were whining that black people were protesting about BLM and not the coronavirus
the protests are not just about deaths by cops. it got started due a death from a cop but it's not just about that. it's not, stop perseverating on the number of deaths by cops. it's about the injustices and equalities that blacks in this country face at every level
the healthcare disparities the black population faces in this country is in large part due to socioeconomic and systemic inequalities their people have been facing for centuries here
the BLM protests are protesting the factors that have caused their population to suffer from things like coronavirus and cardiovascular disease at a higher rate than other groups
Except BLM has made police brutality the headline of their entire movement. George Floyd has turned into a hero getting awards and excrement.
I'm aware that I'm ultra contrarian and obnoxious. But it's still freaking idiotic to make something that's absolutely minute the focal point of your organization. Sure it grabs headlines but 200 people a year is literally comparable to the amount of black people who die a year from freaking animal bites.
The police suck, the police are shitty. I don't disagree. But were seeing black people die from a medical disease in astronomical numbers, and the whole conversation is on the wrong freaking topic.
Sure you can say it's not jsut about police brutality. Yet that's what 100% of the media coverage is about and that's all freaking people want to read about.
40,000 black people have died from a disease in the last 3 months. Yet police reform is the top freaking priority for the country. Tell me that's not the most freaking retarded bullshit ever
Post by: bojanglesman on June 22, 2020, 07:10:47 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 08:16:32 AM
But it's still freaking idiotic to make something that's absolutely minute the focal point of your organization.
You have got to shut the freak up
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2020, 08:31:26 AM
You have got to shut the freak up
I have no issue with the BLM movement. I'm just an argumentative dick. Regardless the numbers are what they are and speak for themself
This should be the greatest push for Universal Healthcare in the history of the United States, highlighted by the racial health discrepancy brutally highlighted by the rise of COVID19. Use the media attention (and everyone being bored out of their freaking minds) of recent events to advocate for something that would have a major and lasting change.
Instead its 24/7 freaking discussions about how shitty the police is and how the police are racist murders and should be defunded. Universal Healthcare would save several thousand black lives for every black person killed by a police officer.
And make no mistake I literally give zero fucks about the police department or system. Its just mind-boggling that this is the greatest issue in the world right now.
Post by: delavan on June 22, 2020, 09:34:00 AM
George Floyd has turned into a hero getting awards and excrement.* applause *
"Speech!...Speech!"
Post by: Badger on June 22, 2020, 10:17:26 AM
40,000 black people have died from a disease in the last 3 months. Yet police reform is the top freaking priority for the country. Tell me that's not the most freaking retarded bullshit ever
The fact that 40% of the country does not believe racism or covid are real seems far more retarded.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2020, 10:20:00 AM
The fact that 40% of the country does not believe racism or covid are real seems far more retarded.
I'm sure "were less retarded than people who attend Trump rallies" would make a fantastic slogan
Post by: Badger on June 22, 2020, 10:28:08 AM
I'm sure "were less retarded than people who attend Trump rallies" would make a fantastic sloganMy point is the problems are bigger than your perceived issues with the movements trying to address the problems.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2020, 10:31:43 AM
My point is the problems are bigger than your perceived issues with the movements trying to address the problems.
I thought the point I was attempting to make is that there are far bigger issues?
Post by: Badger on June 22, 2020, 11:18:36 AM
I thought the point I was attempting to make is that there are far bigger issues?And what you've chosen to do about that is what? Criticize BLM.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
And what you've chosen to do about that is what? Criticize BLM.
I wasn't aware I'm a political organization. I don't even have a tiktok
Post by: Badger on June 22, 2020, 11:25:10 AM
Instead of constantly deflecting to other issues you could either admit you don't really care why BLM exists or just shut the freak up.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 11:32:37 AM
MADD is dumb because more people die in regular car crashes all the time
Instead of constantly deflecting to other issues you could either admit you don't really care why BLM exists or just shut the freak up.
All car accidents are actually caused by black drunk drivers with heart disease
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 22, 2020, 11:42:32 AM
MADD is dumb because more people die in regular car crashes all the time
Instead of constantly deflecting to other issues you could either admit you don't really care why BLM exists or just shut the freak up.
You already know he won’t do that.
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 22, 2020, 12:10:54 PM
Instead of constantly deflecting to other issues you could either admit you don't really care why BLM exists or just shut the freak up.
this is exactly it
he's used a great amount of mental gymnastics in bringing up and arguing nonsensical excrement as he's tried to justify his criticisms of the BLM movement, just to avoid saying he doesn't think BLM should be a thing or exist. just say it
Post by: mj2sexay on June 22, 2020, 12:14:20 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 22, 2020, 12:20:48 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2020, 12:23:20 PM
this is exactly it
he's used a great amount of mental gymnastics in bringing up and arguing nonsensical excrement as he's tried to justify his criticisms of the BLM movement, just to avoid saying he doesn't think BLM should be a thing or exist. just say it
Nonsensical?
There's a very good chance that more black people will die from the spread of covid 19 at recent rallies than will be killed by police officers both this and next year, combined.
There's political movements and protests I don't agree with all the time, I'll occasionally say something obnoxious about but won't harp on (ie the women with the vaginas on their heads, never had much to say about that).
I actually tend to think the police officers are (mostly) wrong in these recent cases which is an improvement for me.
But regardless I don't know how you have a black lives matter movement that has a good shot at killing more people than it will save, at least in the relative near future.
I thought the Trump people who were out protesting lockdown and spreading covid were freaking idiots. And now I think the people who think the 200 people who will die from police shootings are more important than the possibly 200,000 that will die from this disease that all these rallies are adding to.
Post by: IATA on June 22, 2020, 12:38:18 PM
how often does covid "stop and frisk" people?
how often does heart disease hide the vicious history of oppression and violence against a race?
how often does covid shoot people with rubber bullets for having peaceful protest?
how often does heart disease chase down black men and yell at them "n*gger" and shoot them?
when was the last case of covid that placed a non-violent offender in a chokehold and ignore him pleading for air and help and got off scott free?
when did hearth disease chase down a kid with a gun walking through his neighborhood and shoot him after he was attacked?
go freak yourself dcm.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2020, 12:46:08 PM
how often does heart disease pull over young black men for being young and black?
how often does covid "stop and frisk" people?
how often does heart disease hide the vicious history of oppression and violence against a race?
how often does covid shoot people with rubber bullets for having peaceful protest?
how often does heart disease chase down black men and yell at them "n*gger" and shoot them?
when was the last case of covid that placed a non-violent offender in a chokehold and ignore him pleading for air and help and got off scott free?
when did hearth disease chase down a kid with a gun walking through his neighborhood and shoot him after he was attacked?
go freak yourself dcm.
Nobody's denying racism
When there's a highly freaking contagious pandemic that has killed over 100,000 Americans I don't think people should be out rallying and protesting.
Literally thousands of people are dying daily from a disease yet the entire conversation and focus of this country is on how scummy the police is.
Whatever I'm a piece of excrement. But the people who are out protesting and rallying are the same ones getting disproportionately fucked by the pandemic.
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 22, 2020, 12:54:41 PM
how often does heart disease pull over young black men for being young and black?
how often does covid "stop and frisk" people?
how often does heart disease hide the vicious history of oppression and violence against a race?
how often does covid shoot people with rubber bullets for having peaceful protest?
how often does heart disease chase down black men and yell at them "n*gger" and shoot them?
when was the last case of covid that placed a non-violent offender in a chokehold and ignore him pleading for air and help and got off scott free?
when did hearth disease chase down a kid with a gun walking through his neighborhood and shoot him after he was attacked?
go freak yourself dcm.
cmon bro. people literally get drunk with the sole intent of getting behind the wheel and mowing down black people
Post by: IATA on June 22, 2020, 01:53:58 PM
Nobody's denying racism
When there's a highly freaking contagious pandemic that has killed over 100,000 Americans I don't think people should be out rallying and protesting.
Literally thousands of people are dying daily from a disease yet the entire conversation and focus of this country is on how scummy the police is.
Whatever I'm a piece of excrement. But the people who are out protesting and rallying are the same ones getting disproportionately fucked by the pandemic.
theyre getting disproportionately fucked by the police and the system too, and have been for decades and unless something changes, will continue to, long after covid has come and gone.
sorry there is no convenient time for a revolution.
Post by: Johnny English on June 22, 2020, 04:20:32 PM
Post by: Badger on June 23, 2020, 08:16:28 AM
There's a million valid criticisms to be had of the actual formal BLM movement, 1. They're always late 2. Need to pull their pants up 3. Terrible grammar 4. Celebrate too much after big plays
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2020, 08:44:02 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 23, 2020, 08:47:46 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 10:34:56 AM
Not sure what the implications of this would be. I'd think it would weaken the black vote significantly but freak do I know.
The TLDR is black billionaire wants to convince BLM to form its own political party.
Considering the black vote already determines who the democratic presidential candidate will be every year, I don't see how this benefits them
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2020, 10:38:51 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 10:44:36 AM
Abolish the 2 party system
Sure let's just get the two parties who have all the power to abolish the system that gives them all their power.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 23, 2020, 10:50:48 AM
Sure let's just get the two parties who have all the power to abolish the system that gives them all their power.Who said the democratic party is "allowing" a new party? The whole point of a new party is that they differ from the others. They don't have to ask permission of the democratic party to exist.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 10:55:50 AM
Who said the democratic party is "allowing" a new party? The whole point of a new party is that they differ from the others. They don't have to ask permission of the democratic party to exist.
Starting a new party wouldn't abolish the two party system. They'd literally just steal votes from the democratic party and cause the dems to lose seats.
I mean we have libertarian and green party candidates occasionally pop up. But it's still a two party system
Post by: bojanglesman on June 23, 2020, 11:49:02 AM
Starting a new party wouldn't abolish the two party system. They'd literally just steal votes from the democratic party and cause the dems to lose seats.It always will be with that mentality.
I mean we have libertarian and green party candidates occasionally pop up. But it's still a two party system
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 12:02:32 PM
It always will be with that mentality.
The difference here is the black vote is like 93-95% Democrat. So if they form their own party you're looking at the democratic party losing potentially 20 million votes an election
Post by: delavan on June 23, 2020, 05:17:40 PM
Except BLM has made police brutality the headline of their entire movement. George Floyd has turned into a hero getting awards and excrement.
I'm aware that I'm ultra contrarian and obnoxious. But it's still freaking idiotic to make something that's absolutely minute the focal point of your organization. Sure it grabs headlines but 200 people a year is literally comparable to the amount of black people who die a year from freaking animal bites.
The police suck, the police are shitty. I don't disagree. But were seeing black people die from a medical disease in astronomical numbers, and the whole conversation is on the wrong freaking topic.
Sure you can say it's not jsut about police brutality. Yet that's what 100% of the media coverage is about and that's all freaking people want to read about.
40,000 black people have died from a disease in the last 3 months. Yet police reform is the top freaking priority for the country. Tell me that's not the most freaking retarded bullshit ever
Then take a look at 'it' through a 'white' prism - these freaking bastards getting away with a capital crime in full video view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=_c-E_i8Q5G0&feature=emb_title
Post by: bojanglesman on June 23, 2020, 06:06:07 PM
https://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/story/_/id/29354447/fbi-says-rope-had-talladega-garage-last-fall-bubba-wallace-not-victim-hate-crime
Post by: mj2sexay on June 23, 2020, 06:11:34 PM
ESPN: FBI says rope had been in Talladega garage since October; Bubba Wallace not victim of hate crime.
https://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/story/_/id/29354447/fbi-says-rope-had-talladega-garage-last-fall-bubba-wallace-not-victim-hate-crime
Shocker.
Post by: Johnny English on June 23, 2020, 06:16:24 PM
Shocker.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/california-raceway-president-says-noose-found-in-tree-after-similar-nascar-incident-1.4995737
Probably been there a long time, not of any significance, and in a way aren't black people the real racists?
Post by: mj2sexay on June 23, 2020, 06:22:14 PM
https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/california-raceway-president-says-noose-found-in-tree-after-similar-nascar-incident-1.4995737
Probably been there a long time, not of any significance, and in a way aren't black people the real racists?
Ah yes, the noted racial hotbed that is Sonoma California. As far as I'm concerned that fault could break tomorrow and there'd be no big loss.
The bolded isn't fair. I'm not saying Bubba had any sort of culpability in this (from what I understand, he was only told about it), you didn't see me call him Bubba Smollett or anything. But obvious situation was obvious.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 23, 2020, 06:27:33 PM
Ah yes, the noted racial hotbed that is Sonoma California. As far as I'm concerned that fault could break tomorrow and there'd be no big loss.
The bolded isn't fair. I'm not saying Bubba had any sort of culpability in this (from what I understand, he was only told about it), you didn't see me call him Bubba Smollett or anything, I don't have anything but empathy in terms of how he reacted. But obvious situation was obvious.
Post by: Johnny English on June 23, 2020, 06:28:17 PM
Ah yes, the noted racial hotbed that is Sonoma California. As far as I'm concerned that fault could break tomorrow and there'd be no big loss.
The bolded isn't fair. I'm not saying Bubba had any sort of culpability in this (from what I understand, he was only told about it), you didn't see me call him Bubba Smollett or anything. But obvious situation was obvious.
I'm not sure it was. It was definitely lazy of me trotting out an ALM mantra, but I don't think you were being entirely fair either. Given what NASCAR is currently going through (and props to them for that, all be it very late) I'm not sure that "it had probably been there for ages" was the logical conclusion to immediately jump to.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 23, 2020, 06:36:07 PM
I'm not sure it was. It was definitely lazy of me trotting out an ALM mantra, but I don't think you were being entirely fair either. Given what NASCAR is currently going through (and props to them for that, all be it very late) I'm not sure that "it had probably been there for ages" was the logical conclusion to immediately jump to.
Admittedly I'm not an expert on NASCAR or garages, but in reading up on this yesterday I did see a lot of NASCAR fans essentially say some variation of "why are they immediately discounting the probability that this was just someone who tied a pull for the garage." Wishful thinking on their part? Maybe, except it was confirmed.
These garages are million dollar operations, that explanation does seem more plausible then someone (and NASCAR initially acknowledged that if this was the case it was much more likely to have been perpetrated by someone with access as opposed to a rando fan) sneaking into a heavily secured and surveilled garage and hanging a noose only to disappear without a trace.
Post by: Johnny English on June 23, 2020, 06:47:15 PM
Admittedly I'm not an expert on NASCAR or garages, but in reading up on this yesterday I did see a lot of NASCAR fans essentially say some variation of "why are they immediately discounting the probability that this was just someone who tied a pull for the garage." Wishful thinking on their part? Maybe, except it was confirmed.
These garages are million dollar operations, that explanation does seem more plausible then someone (and NASCAR initially acknowledged that if this was the case it was much more likely to have been perpetrated by someone with access as opposed to a rando fan) sneaking into a heavily secured and surveilled garage and hanging a noose only to disappear without a trace.
Except that if it was a fairly normal and standard procedure to fashion such a loop for opening and closing a garage door (and I've got a button in my 5 year old $40K car to do that so I refuse to believe that multimillion dollar NASCAR teams don't) why wouldn't it have been immediately discounted as such?
I think the suggestion was that someone on a team did it. It wouldn't be a huge shock to think that there might be a team member or track employee who is perhaps slightly less progressive than the average East Coast liberal, although I was very impressed with the solidarity shown by the drivers and teams with them pushing Wallace's car to the top of the grid before the race. Good though it is that NASCAR has finally banned the confederate flag from their events, the message sent by the teams was even stronger IMO.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 06:55:22 PM
Then take a look at 'it' through a 'white' prism - these freaking bastards getting away with a capital crime in full video view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=_c-E_i8Q5G0&feature=emb_title
I'm not disagreeing about anything about the police. Even in that video you can see they're immature and freaking retarded. I'm not going to pretend I'm an activist or racial justice warrior or anything of the sort.
I just don't think the solution to having a lot of police officers being less than ideal candidates for the job is to make it easier to personally sue everyone who is a police officer and treat the entire profession like a bunch of pieces of excrement. Do you think that's going to improve or worsen the candidate pool?
I think implementing federal standardized processes for state and local police officers could be a large part of the solution. But the protesting and making police reform the top priority during the greatest medical crisis in the last 100 years with the biggest shortage of EMS probably ever doesn't seem like the best strategy either.
I just think right now the biggest crisis in the world is a medical issue by a tremendous margin, yet the entirity of the focus is on something that's important but not urgent. Literally 200,000 people might die from covid while less than 0.5% of that will die from police officers, and closer to 0.1% will be black
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 07:03:46 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/06/23/hundreds-support-police-during-long-island-back-the-blue-rally/amp/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2020, 09:01:26 PM
Except that if it was a fairly normal and standard procedure to fashion such a loop for opening and closing a garage door (and I've got a button in my 5 year old $40K car to do that so I refuse to believe that multimillion dollar NASCAR teams don't) why wouldn't it have been immediately discounted as such?
I think the suggestion was that someone on a team did it. It wouldn't be a huge shock to think that there might be a team member or track employee who is perhaps slightly less progressive than the average East Coast liberal, although I was very impressed with the solidarity shown by the drivers and teams with them pushing Wallace's car to the top of the grid before the race. Good though it is that NASCAR has finally banned the confederate flag from their events, the message sent by the teams was even stronger IMO.
Just about every garage door has a manual pull down for if your garage door motor busts or you lose power
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 23, 2020, 09:56:22 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 23, 2020, 10:22:15 PM
Best case scenario putting a noose on there was horrifically insensitive.
Wut.
It had been there since way before any of this happened. As Six said, manual pulldowns are standard.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 23, 2020, 10:49:23 PM
Wut.
It had been there since way before any of this happened. As Six said, manual pulldowns are standard.
To be fair that's the only pull rope that was tied that way (per the report)
However it's been tied thst way since at least last October, long before Bubba Wallace had anything to do with that garage.
It is sad that people on both sides of the political spectrum want to use this as a weapon to fire up their base and spread hate further inciting a race war. I have no doubts there will be (if there already hasn't been) tweets from Trump calling the whole thing a hoax and fake news.
And the other side of the aisle surely is no better.
Post by: Badger on June 23, 2020, 11:48:13 PM
billionaire wants to convince BLM to form its own political party.
No
Abolish the 2 party system
Yes
Post by: Badger on June 23, 2020, 11:52:56 PM
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So this just happened.
Neighbors several houses down are lighting fireworks.
Hubby and I are out with the kids enjoying the show. I'm standing at the gate with the kids cuz the little one is a little afraid of loud noises. Hubby is less than 20 feet away.
2 police cars pull up so hubby walks back to protect his tribe.
A young white officer in the 1st car gets out with his hand on his weapon and says to my husband "I saw you. You lit it".
Hubby stood his ground and said "First of all have some respect. Second of all how could you see me do something I didn't do?"
As I try to usher the kids onto the porch I'm making a mental note of his face while simultaneously fumbling with my phone.
Thankfully the older partner got out and told us all to have a good night.
Moral of the story: If your 5'6" 120 lbs soaking wet self feels so threatened by a black family standing outside their home maybe, just maybe, you're not the right person to protect and serve.
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 12:12:51 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 08:39:43 AM
Just about every garage door has a manual pull down for if your garage door motor busts or you lose power
Yes, and I would expect someone whose job it is to work in a professional garage to take one look at it and say "that's the garage door pull down". You understand the difference between a noose and, say, a bowline, right? They're specific knots tied for specific reasons, and a noose would be a pretty stupid kind of knot to tie for a pull down; quite apart from the symbolism, it wouldn't work very well for the job. If someone put a noose in it then they did it for a reason.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 08:57:43 AM
Yes, and I would expect someone whose job it is to work in a professional garage to take one look at it and say "that's the garage door pull down". You understand the difference between a noose and, say, a bowline, right? They're specific knots tied for specific reasons, and a noose would be a pretty stupid kind of knot to tie for a pull down; quite apart from the symbolism, it wouldn't work very well for the job. If someone put a noose in it then they did it for a reason.
Did you see a picture of the “noose” in question?
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 09:00:01 AM
Did you see a picture of the “noose” in question?
I did not. Is there one?
Post by: delavan on June 24, 2020, 10:32:12 AM
Best case scenario putting a noose on there was horrifically insensitive.Spot on. Besides, even crude, makeshift rope pull-downs were often nothing more than a rope with a couple of knots at the end of it to create a 'ball' for a handle.
Oh also I think these people are freaking morons too
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/06/23/hundreds-support-police-during-long-island-back-the-blue-rally/amp/
Long Island? res ipsa loquitur. ;
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 03:26:08 PM
https://twitter.com/variety/status/1275217449185656833?s=21
https://twitter.com/thewrap/status/1275880321867608065?s=21
Post by: reuben on June 24, 2020, 03:45:57 PM
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1275474251798073344?s=21
https://twitter.com/variety/status/1275217449185656833?s=21
https://twitter.com/thewrap/status/1275880321867608065?s=21
Fair enough, but can we all agree that Staff Sergeant Lincoln Osiris gets a pass? He was just a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 04:02:18 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2020, 04:06:45 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 24, 2020, 04:29:39 PM
Wesley Snipes is being removed from all movies because he's too black.
You lose five honks previously awarded to other jokes.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2020, 04:31:33 PM
You lose five honks previously awarded to other jokes.
I'm at about -5 honks already. I'm gonna need a honk loan.
Post by: insanity on June 24, 2020, 05:24:57 PM
Oh also I think these people are freaking morons too
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/06/23/hundreds-support-police-during-long-island-back-the-blue-rally/amp/
"The throng of up to 500 people, most of whom did not wear face masks, lined Route 347 in Port Jefferson,"
“We know your job is tough,” the 29-year-old gym owner told the crowd. “We know you have all Americans’ backs, and we have yours. … Standing up here is hard, being here is hard, but we are doing what must be done.”
Post by: delavan on June 24, 2020, 09:17:34 PM
https://twitter.com/CHOPOfficialSEA/status/1275852376423960581
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 10:12:16 PM
Whoever wrote that has pretty good grammar for a cop
https://twitter.com/CHOPOfficialSEA/status/1275852376423960581
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 10:16:38 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 25, 2020, 06:51:42 AM
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2020, 08:16:03 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 25, 2020, 08:21:58 AM
I'm just really impressed with the eagerness and dedication everyone showed in getting distracted by property damage and CHAZ so nobody had to think about the protests and their purpose anymore. A+ manufactured consent fellas.
It is 100% possible to support the protests and think the CHAZ was a really dumb idea
Post by: bojanglesman on June 25, 2020, 08:40:41 AM
I'm just really impressed with the eagerness and dedication everyone showed in getting distracted by property damage and CHAZ so nobody had to think about the protests and their purpose anymore. A+ manufactured consent fellas.
I did think about how it would affect businesses in the area. Admittedly, I don't know for sure how it affected business there, but if these businesses are suing, it doesn't seem positive. It does suck for the ones that were caught up in all this just because they were located in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm all for protesting to bring light to wrongdoings but I don't have any sympathy for anarchy that does no good. It is a grey area. Some feel they have to disrupt to be heard, and I understand that. There comes a point to where it isn't helpful.
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2020, 12:04:32 PM
It is 100% possible to support the protests and think the CHAZ was a really dumb ideaYes, it's possible to support something and also constantly undermine it. Just look at all the people voting for Biden to make the world a better place.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 25, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
Yes, it's possible to support something and also constantly undermine it. Just look at all the people voting for Biden to make the world a better place.What's the realistic alternative?
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2020, 12:13:18 PM
Constantly amplifying all bad news about it just feeds into the "both sides are wrong" brain death that a lot of people retreat to when faced with any sort of alignment.
You don't cure cancer by constantly complaining about chemo hair loss.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 25, 2020, 12:41:36 PM
That is def a noose
Post by: MBGreen on June 25, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
https://twitter.com/yahoosports/status/1276208079877681159?s=21
That is def a noose
Noose Bolton
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2020, 12:49:42 PM
https://twitter.com/yahoosports/status/1276208079877681159?s=21
That is def a noose
Yeah. It's a very strange knot to decide to tie for a door pull, a bowline would take a fraction of the time and as someone already said a couple a basic overhands to give you something to hold onto would be the normal approach. You can see why they felt it was worthy of investigation.
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2020, 02:48:23 PM
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NASCAR said a check of every stall in the garage showed the one for Wallace's car was the only one in which the pull-down rope had been fashioned into a noose. Phelps said since the incident, there has been a sweep of all tracks used by NASCAR. In more than 1,600 garages, only 11 had ropes had been tied in a knot and none of them were tied in a noose, except the one found in Talladega.
https://www.chron.com/sports/article/NASCAR-releases-photo-noose-Bubba-Wallace-garage-15366201.php
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2020, 05:47:32 PM
https://www.theage.com.au/national/the-toppling-of-statues-is-a-moment-in-history-not-its-erasure-20200625-p5562a.html?btis
Post by: delavan on June 26, 2020, 09:39:16 AM
I love this take.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/the-toppling-of-statues-is-a-moment-in-history-not-its-erasure-20200625-p5562a.html?btis
I liked the authors' archeologist-centered contention that monuments are as a result of a subjective, arbitrary criteria vs. the notion of a cold and clinical documentation of history ipso facto. And while the article cited San Franciscan protestors 'toppling Christopher Columbus', what gave me pause was the image of a vandalized 'Cervantes', himself once a slave with the irony further advanced as Cervantes himself coined the idiom 'tilting at windmills' in Don Quixote. In any event, at least one of the protestors turned out to be a freaking dumbbell.
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2020, 04:42:29 PM
I liked the authors' archeologist-centered contention that monuments are as a result of a subjective, arbitrary criteria vs. the notion of a cold and clinical documentation of history ipso facto. And while the article cited San Franciscan protestors 'toppling Christopher Columbus', what gave me pause was the image of a vandalized 'Cervantes', himself once a slave with the irony further advanced as Cervantes himself coined the idiom 'tilting at windmills' in Don Quixote. In any event, at least one of the protestors turned out to be a freaking dumbbell.Cervantes was racist against windmills.
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2020, 07:44:17 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 26, 2020, 08:05:08 PM
What's the realistic alternative?There is none. And Biden would make the world a better place, at least compared to Trump. Biden was my least favorite candidate on the democratic side and I don't think he'll change all that much, but just being a reasonable human being would make America a better place.
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2020, 08:48:06 PM
What's the realistic alternative?
There is none. And Biden would make the world a better place, at least compared to Trump. Biden was my least favorite candidate on the democratic side and I don't think he'll change all that much, but just being a reasonable human being would make America a better place.I mostly meant the people who were voting before the primary effectively ended.
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2020, 10:11:34 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 26, 2020, 10:34:25 PM
https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1276614650906509312?s=19
How did Rudy become so bat excrement crazy? Dude was by all accounts a fairly moderate even liberal Republican.
Now he's like some Gung-ho crazy Trumpie
Post by: Badger on June 27, 2020, 08:56:23 AM
How did Rudy become so bat excrement crazy? Dude was by all accounts a fairly moderate even liberal Republican.Do you know many boomers? Not an uncommon swing for some people since the Obama years.
Now he's like some Gung-ho crazy Trumpie
Post by: delavan on June 27, 2020, 10:41:28 AM
https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1276614650906509312?s=19Two things: he's got a 'Rudolph Giuliani' book on the shelf facing forward and, he wears a pinky ring. What a guido.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2020, 04:12:00 PM
Do you know many boomers? Not an uncommon swing for some people since the Obama years.
Rudy was an established politician for years. Sure Trump emboldened people but I don't think he fundamentally transformed that many
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 27, 2020, 07:24:29 PM
Mississippi legislature votes to remove Confederate battle flag from state flag. (https://apple.news/A0XHoQvmlQj6Bd-fAGOkTrw)
Post by: Badger on June 27, 2020, 10:06:51 PM
Rudy was an established politician for years. Sure Trump emboldened people but I don't think he fundamentally transformed that manyIt's not just Trump, it was the reaction to Obama and too many dusty brains getting exposed to the internet. Trump just topped it off.
Post by: delavan on June 27, 2020, 10:27:44 PM
This seems like a good place to leave this:
Mississippi legislature votes to remove Confederate battle flag from state flag. (https://apple.news/A0XHoQvmlQj6Bd-fAGOkTrw)
The technical term for this quasi-confederate design is the "St. Andrew's Cross" ... like these don't reek of 'Stars & Bars'
Alabama State Flag
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Calera%2C_Alabama_City_Hall.JPG/320px-Calera%2C_Alabama_City_Hall.JPG)
'
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2020, 10:28:23 PM
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In related news, Netflix and Hulu are both pulling the “Advanced Dungeons & Dragons” episode of Community as it features Ken Jeong’s character, Ben Chang, wearing dark make-up to play a “dark elf.”
freaking racist Dungeons and Dragons
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 27, 2020, 10:30:34 PM
The technical term for this quasi-confederate design is the "St. Andrew's Cross" ... like these don't reek of 'Stars & Bars'
Alabama State Flag
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Calera%2C_Alabama_City_Hall.JPG/320px-Calera%2C_Alabama_City_Hall.JPG)
'
What quasi design? Mississippi literally has the battle flag in the union of their state flag. Unless you're trying to make a larger point regarding the rest of the southern culprits here?
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2020, 10:36:51 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/7103563/dungeons-dragons-evil-race-stereotypes/amp/
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The publisher of Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) says it will adjust the way it portrays some of its “evil” races, such as the “savage” orcs and the “depraved” dark elves, as part of a broader push against racism in the wake of George Floyd‘s death.
“Throughout the 50-year history of D&D, some of the peoples in the game — orcs and drow (dark elves) being two of the prime examples — have been characterized as monstrous and evil, using descriptions that are painfully reminiscent of how real-world ethnic groups have been and continue to be denigrated,” Wizards said in a statement. “That’s just not right, and it’s not something we believe in.”
Post by: delavan on June 27, 2020, 10:45:42 PM
What quasi design? Mississippi literally has the battle flag in the union of their state flag. Unless you're trying to make a larger point regarding the rest of the southern culprits here?Seriously? My point was that the 'Stars & Bars' design is inherent in the St. Andrew's Cross design (in its diagonal layout) and is reflected in the state flags of Alabama and Florida -- they flat out reek of 'Confederacy' -- and that the move to 'de-Confederate' southern state flags shouldn't end with Mississippi. What part of that was unclear?
Florida state flag
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Florida’s_Historic_Capitol_and_Florida_State_Capitol_1.JPG/640px-Florida’s_Historic_Capitol_and_Florida_State_Capitol_1.JPG)
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 27, 2020, 11:17:42 PM
Seriously? My point was that the 'Stars & Bars' design is inherent in the St. Andrew's Cross design (in its diagonal layout) and is reflected in the state flags of Alabama and Florida -- they flat out reek of 'Confederacy' -- and that the move to 'de-Confederate' southern state flags shouldn't end with Mississippi. What part of that was unclear?
Florida state flag
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Florida’s_Historic_Capitol_and_Florida_State_Capitol_1.JPG/640px-Florida’s_Historic_Capitol_and_Florida_State_Capitol_1.JPG)
Probably the fact that the Stars and Bars never had a St. Andrews Cross on it.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281861%E2%80%931863%29.svg/1920px-Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281861%E2%80%931863%29.svg.png)
The St. Andrews Cross flag that we're familiar with was the Confederate Army's battle flag. It was placed in the field for the Stainless Banner
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281863%E2%80%931865%29.svg/1600px-Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281863%E2%80%931865%29.svg.png)
and the Blood Stained Banner:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281865%29.svg/1599px-Flag_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America_%281865%29.svg.png)
which were the second and third national flags of the confederacy.
There's a reason I call it the battle flag every time I refer to it.
Post by: Johnny English on June 28, 2020, 01:02:20 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 28, 2020, 01:27:07 AM
St Andrew's Cross is the white diagonal cross on a blue background. It's the national flag of Scotland. St Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland and I have no idea how it ended up on the flag of the defenders of slavery.
Well according to Google Scotland was a big big investor in slavery in the Jamaican isles in the late 1700s/1800s, and got quite rich off it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 28, 2020, 08:39:48 AM
St Andrew's Cross is the white diagonal cross on a blue background. It's the national flag of Scotland. St Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland and I have no idea how it ended up on the flag of the defenders of slavery.
If you invert the colors it becomes the Russian Navy Ensign. And if you make it out of wood and put it in your basement it becomes a nice addition to your BDSM dungeon.
Post by: delavan on June 28, 2020, 09:48:13 AM
Probably the fact that the Stars and Bars never had a St. Andrews Cross on it.
There's a reason I call it the battle flag every time I refer to it.
*golf clap* while recognizing your scholarship, in my NY'er/Yankee ignorance I loosely used the term 'Stars & Bars' to incorrectly refer to that battle flag. Ask 100 ignorant Yankees which one of the two (Stars & Bars vs. the battle flag) is the "Confederate flag." Again that was my point: that the flag with the saltier, the flag with the diagonal, the flag with that "X" thing as the predominant feature is the flag most associated with the Confederacy and that that same (saltire) feature makes up Alabama's and Florida's state flag, i.e. that they reek of 'confederacy' as well. You originally heralded the proposed elimination of the current Mississippi flag and I merely suggested that it shouldn't end there but should include Bama/Fla. as well....my stars and bars/stainless banner/blood-stained banner/battle flag (did I miss any?) ignorance notwithstanding. Lighten up Bubba. : )
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 28, 2020, 10:42:34 AM
*golf clap* while recognizing your scholarship, in my NY'er/Yankee ignorance I loosely used the term 'Stars & Bars' to incorrectly refer to that battle flag. Ask 100 ignorant Yankees which one of the two (Stars & Bars vs. the battle flag) is the "Confederate flag." Again that was my point: that the flag with the saltier, the flag with the diagonal, the flag with that "X" thing as the predominant feature is the flag most associated with the Confederacy and that that same (saltire) feature makes up Alabama's and Florida's state flag, i.e. that they reek of 'confederacy' as well. You originally heralded the proposed elimination of the current Mississippi flag and I merely suggested that it shouldn't end there but should include Bama/Fla. as well....my stars and bars/stainless banner/blood-stained banner/battle flag (did I miss any?) ignorance notwithstanding. Lighten up Bubba. : )
I’m not that salty about it. I was honestly confused which was probably exacerbated by my fourth whisky sour of the evening. And I completely agree on the Florida and Alabama flags. Arkansas’ is another. Outside of the color scheme which really only evokes one other flag, the star above “Arkansas” on the flag is supposed to represent the Confederacy.
Also definitely not a southerner.
Post by: delavan on June 29, 2020, 01:53:44 PM
I’m not that salty about it. I was honestly confused which was probably exacerbated by my fourth whisky sour of the evening. And I completely agree on the Florida and Alabama flags. Arkansas’ is another. Outside of the color scheme which really only evokes one other flag, the star above “Arkansas” on the flag is supposed to represent the Confederacy.
Also definitely not a southerner.
Cheers CTE. As for the whisky sours with or without egg white?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2020, 02:02:13 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 29, 2020, 03:55:34 PM
Cheers CTE. As for the whisky sours with or without egg white?
Yes. Sans for a New York Sour, otherwise with.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 29, 2020, 04:14:10 PM
#RealChange
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 30, 2020, 01:32:46 PM
Lmao Cato has CTE
I think that's an accurate classification for my drinking habit.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 01, 2020, 07:10:06 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 01, 2020, 07:26:19 AM
https://twitter.com/yassir_lester/status/1278141632613769216?s=21Don't minimize this massive cultural contribution.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 01, 2020, 01:29:41 PM
https://twitter.com/yassir_lester/status/1278141632613769216?s=21Funny, but obviously fake.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 01, 2020, 01:57:46 PM
Funny, but obviously fake.
Too late, already ordered my first BLM.
I demanded they call them Matos
Post by: Heismanberg on July 01, 2020, 02:03:15 PM
oof
Post by: delavan on July 03, 2020, 06:12:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKaAQU6qUDw
https://www.tiktok.com/@cjanover/video/6844625089997114629?lang=en
Post by: dcm1602 on July 03, 2020, 09:15:27 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 06, 2020, 03:41:18 PM
https://twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1280236616078983171?s=19 (https://twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1280236616078983171?s=19)
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2020, 08:06:19 AM
Holy excrement.Totally a hoax, that noose just happened to be there
https://twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1280236616078983171?s=19 (https://twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1280236616078983171?s=19)
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 07, 2020, 11:44:56 AM
Totally a hoax, that noose just happened to be there
Protest sprung up later as a direct result and someone drove through it, hitting two people.
Post by: Johnny English on July 07, 2020, 12:05:08 PM
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2020, 01:58:27 PM
Protest sprung up later as a direct result and someone drove through it, hitting two people.Just came in here to post that
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car-drives-protesters-rally-black-victim-attempted-lynching-indiana-n1233060
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 07, 2020, 02:15:15 PM
Denzel Mimms might have been on to something. (https://twitter.com/dj__torney/status/1280158642818424833?s=21)
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2020, 10:48:32 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 08, 2020, 04:40:28 PM
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1280849886750048257?s=19
What could ever go wrong with making a law where you could criminalize calling 911, and this guy also supported a law where you can be financially liable/sued for the same thing.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 08, 2020, 07:55:51 PM
What could ever go wrong with making a law where you could criminalize calling 911, and this guy also supported a law where you can be financially liable/sued for the same thing.
It’s criminalizing false police reports. Maybe it’ll get people to stop calling the cops just because they saw a black kid wearing a ski mask dancing in the street on his way home.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2020, 08:08:08 AM
It’s criminalizing false police reports. Maybe it’ll get people to stop calling the cops just because they saw a black kid wearing a ski mask dancing in the street on his way home.
Sure if you want to criminalize blatantly false reports only it would theoretically be okay.
But what if you see a bunch of people doing something questionable about criminality. People' are fucked up and there's certainly a grey area where you can't tell if someone's getting assaulted/sexually assaulted or if they're just freaking acting like a spaz.
Regardless it's extraordinarily dangerous to make people hesitate about calling the police, about fear of being criminalized
Or you know a crazy mob of people on the internet hell bent on ruining your life
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 09, 2020, 08:40:45 AM
Sure if you want to criminalize blatantly false reports only it would theoretically be okay.
But what if you see a bunch of people doing something questionable about criminality. People' are fucked up and there's certainly a grey area where you can't tell if someone's getting assaulted/sexually assaulted or if they're just freaking acting like a spaz.
Regardless it's extraordinarily dangerous to make people hesitate about calling the police, about fear of being criminalized
Or you know a crazy mob of people on the internet hell bent on ruining your life
It’s proven extraordinarily dangerous to have people call the police on a whim, which is the whole point of this situation.
I honestly have no idea how you wouldn’t be able to tell if someone is being sexually or physically assaulted in public. The point is to get people to not call the cops because they saw a Black person in public.
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2020, 08:42:46 AM
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1281220070966845440?s=19
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2020, 08:43:54 AM
Sure if you want to criminalize blatantly false reports only it would theoretically be okay.Speculative downsides greatly outweighed by current real life problems here
But what if you see a bunch of people doing something questionable about criminality. People' are fucked up and there's certainly a grey area where you can't tell if someone's getting assaulted/sexually assaulted or if they're just freaking acting like a spaz.
Regardless it's extraordinarily dangerous to make people hesitate about calling the police, about fear of being criminalized
Or you know a crazy mob of people on the internet hell bent on ruining your life
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2020, 03:39:47 PM
Speculative downsides greatly outweighed by current real life problems here
Actions having consequences isn't speculative. By your logic you could say it's speculative positives as well.
And is there any data to support how often people actually call the police on someone for being black? While we can all agree people can be consciously or subconsciously racist, how many people just say hey look there's a black guy cleaning his car let me call the police.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2020, 05:37:58 PM
This is hilarious
Post by: Johnny English on July 09, 2020, 05:44:35 PM
https://twitter.com/crazykarens/status/1279753390784987137?s=20
This is hilarious
On one level it is but it's also hideously freaking ugly. The woman who says she saw him pay for them but then still says "check his vehicle" and then "I think you're a thief".... smh. That look on her face is just vicious.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2020, 05:45:53 PM
On one level it is but it's also hideously freaking ugly. The woman who says she saw him pay for them but then still says "check his vehicle" and then "I think you're a thief".... smh. That look on her face is just vicious.
"I think you a bitch!"
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2020, 06:17:20 PM
On one level it is but it's also hideously freaking ugly. The woman who says she saw him pay for them but then still says "check his vehicle" and then "I think you're a thief".... smh. That look on her face is just vicious.
I mean the dude was belligerent as freak at that point. If anything you gotta give her credit for having the balls to say it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 09, 2020, 06:19:12 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 09, 2020, 06:39:33 PM
I mean the dude was belligerent as freak at that point. If anything you gotta give her credit for having the balls to say it.
"He was angry about being accused of theft despite clearly having a receipt and people confirming he'd paid, and he was angry about it and black so in the end it was really her who comes out of this with the credit."
dcm, I say this with all the respect that is due - freak off, you absolute queynte.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 09, 2020, 06:42:48 PM
I mean the dude was belligerent as freak at that point. If anything you gotta give her credit for having the balls to say it.
She is a hero
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2020, 06:51:51 PM
Actions having consequences isn't speculative. By your logic you could say it's speculative positives as well.People should call the police less in general.
And is there any data to support how often people actually call the police on someone for being black? While we can all agree people can be consciously or subconsciously racist, how many people just say hey look there's a black guy cleaning his car let me call the police.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 09, 2020, 08:11:03 PM
I mean the dude was belligerent as freak at that point. If anything you gotta give her credit for having the balls to say it.
You just have to pick the worst thing to say at any point, don’t you?
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 09, 2020, 08:18:47 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 09, 2020, 09:06:06 PM
"He was angry about being accused of theft despite clearly having a receipt and people confirming he'd paid, and he was angry about it and black so in the end it was really her who comes out of this with the credit."
dcm, I say this with all the respect that is due - freak off, you absolute queynte.
Yes if someone is an poopchute you should start screaming that every person even remotely near you should suck your dick. Completely appropriate.
And again social media videos don't have context
He was accused of legally buying the product, bringing them to his car, then reentering the store withe the receipt and leaving with another bag(s) of the same product.
I have zero idea about guilt or innocence, hell odds are he probably was innocent considering he kept saying check the camera. But let's just justify raging in public because a freaking grocery store employee isn't the brightest
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 10, 2020, 07:41:37 AM
https://twitter.com/crazykarens/status/1279753390784987137?s=20
This is hilarious
Jameis could never
Post by: Heismanberg on July 10, 2020, 01:55:37 PM
Found dcm's mom
Post by: MBGreen on July 10, 2020, 02:06:06 PM
https://twitter.com/BLONDIE_007_/status/1279803563351445504?s=20
Found dcm's mom
Covid19 is here to claim people like her.
Post by: Johnny English on July 10, 2020, 02:19:24 PM
https://twitter.com/BLONDIE_007_/status/1279803563351445504?s=20
Found dcm's mom
That can't be real.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 10, 2020, 02:20:28 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 10, 2020, 08:17:20 PM
Post by: Badger on July 11, 2020, 06:07:26 AM
Would.You were at the pub
Post by: delavan on July 11, 2020, 09:36:54 AM
Would.
Rackage.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 14, 2020, 03:53:25 PM
This was a strange episode of Wildin’ Out
Post by: delavan on July 14, 2020, 06:40:10 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1282358303549464578
Post by: Badger on July 14, 2020, 10:41:38 PM
Post by: delavan on July 14, 2020, 11:29:10 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 14, 2020, 11:54:46 PM
Or does it not count since a cop didn't kill him?
Post by: Heismanberg on July 15, 2020, 12:10:12 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 15, 2020, 12:49:39 AM
Regardless there was far more outrage over George Floyd dying than a one year old black baby in a stroller
At the very least that warrants the question why?
Post by: delavan on July 15, 2020, 01:33:40 AM
The United States is a parody.
Regardless there was far more outrage over George Floyd dying than a one year old black baby in a stroller
At the very least that warrants the question why?
Whoa, whoa, whoa...
George Floyd was killed by "the law" while Davell Grayson the toddler was killed by a pos lawbreaker. Lawbreakers do this kind of crap. Cops on the other hand represent the law, the state, and need to be held to the highest of standards.
Post by: Badger on July 15, 2020, 05:24:43 AM
The United States is a parody.
Wow dcm I can't believe you hate troopcops
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 15, 2020, 07:23:46 AM
Been aware of this beer for around 5 years. Never knew much about the backstory, although I did read the bottle before.
Quote
A message from Henok of Omnipollo due to the recent media coverage of Yellow Belly.
“I am black man, father of three black boys, and in my youth I was both harassed and beaten for being black. As such I personally wanted to write a response to the recent media coverage of our beer Yellow Belly (first brewed in 2014, now discontinued due to trademark dispute).
We want to use our craft to talk about the things that matter to us. As a black owned and operated brewery, in the case of Yellow Belly, it was brewed to show a deep concern over racism in Europe, the United States and beyond. A question that has run through the DNA of our company since it’s founding ten years ago.
The more specific message was and still is that light needs to be shed on the quiet and creeping racism that is sweeping through Europe and the world, leading to acts of inhumanity.
Quote from the bottle of Yellow Belly:
To us, one of the most cowardly deeds is to act anonymously, hiding behind a group. A signifying trait of institutionalized racism.
This beer is brewed to celebrate all things new, open minded and progressive. A peanut butter biscuit stout with no biscuits, butter or nuts. Taste, enjoy, and don’t be prejudiced.
We fully acknowledge that the format is unconventional and taken out of context can be both confusing and unintentionally offensive. As such we hope to engage our audience in this question now and going forward”.
CEO and co-founder,
Henok Fentie
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 15, 2020, 08:58:06 AM
https://twitter.com/adam4d/status/1283087941271801861?s=21
This was a strange episode of Wildin’ Out
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ViacomCBS said in a statement: “We have spoken with Nick Cannon about an episode of his podcast ‘Cannon’s Class’ on YouTube, which promoted hateful speech and spread anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.”
It added: “While we support ongoing education and dialogue in the fight against bigotry, we are deeply troubled that Nick has failed to acknowledge or apologize for perpetuating anti-Semitism, and we are terminating our relationship with him.”
Post by: Badger on July 15, 2020, 10:28:17 AM
https://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-news-world-of-beer-bottle-klan-20200713-wurqhosyezd7rayfaugcodskdq-story.htmlBring back Gandhi-Bot
Been aware of this beer for around 5 years. Never knew much about the backstory, although I did read the bottle before.
Post by: mj2sexay on July 15, 2020, 10:30:35 AM
Deeply controversial to suggest economic stress leads to crime
It is when that's not the context of what's taking place.
And it'd help if she didn't make the point like a freaking retard, but I get that's asking too much.
Post by: Badger on July 15, 2020, 10:34:25 AM
It is when that's not the context of what's taking place.Obviously the correct point is using a dead child as a cudgel to defend police from any reform
And it'd help if she didn't make the point like a freaking retard, but I get that's asking too much.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 08:25:16 AM
Obviously the correct point is using a dead child as a cudgel to defend police from any reform
It's not nearly as classy as using a dead man that threatens to murder pregnant women for drugs as a cudgel to defund the police though
Post by: Badger on July 16, 2020, 10:26:02 AM
It's not nearly as classy as using a dead man that threatens to murder pregnant women for drugs as a cudgel to defund the police thoughGold medal mental gymnastics
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 16, 2020, 10:30:53 AM
It's not nearly as classy as using a dead man that threatens to murder pregnant women for drugs as a cudgel to defund the police thoughCops murdering citizens is cool as long as they did anything wrong in their past. Then it is justified.
Post by: Badger on July 16, 2020, 10:33:48 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 01:43:07 PM
Cops murdering citizens is cool as long as they did anything wrong in their past. Then it is justified.
I'm not saying it's justified at all. I just don't think it's fair to say there's some hypocrisy in using an event to forward a cause, but ignore another
Post by: insanity on July 16, 2020, 02:23:36 PM
I'm not saying it's justified at all. I just don't think it's fair to say there's some hypocrisy in using an event to forward a cause, but ignore anotherOne matters in the court of law, one matters in the opinion of idiots
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 02:26:07 PM
One matters in the court of law, one matters in the opinion of idiots
No comprende
Post by: delavan on July 16, 2020, 03:06:04 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/american-airlines-black-social-worker-lawsuit-kidnapping-white-toddler-2020-7
Post by: insanity on July 16, 2020, 03:20:12 PM
Whoops - nice going AA
https://www.businessinsider.com/american-airlines-black-social-worker-lawsuit-kidnapping-white-toddler-2020-7
There is no way in hell I would be able to keep my cool in this situation
Post by: Johnny English on July 16, 2020, 03:20:43 PM
Whoops - nice going AA
https://www.businessinsider.com/american-airlines-black-social-worker-lawsuit-kidnapping-white-toddler-2020-7
I feel like I want to know more about AA and other airlines' SOP in this kind of situation, because if there's any suggestion that a child is being transported across state lines without authority then I think I want the airline to take that very seriously regardless of the skin colour of anyone involved. My gut says that the foul here lies with the passenger making unfair and ungrounded accusations that may well have been grounded in race, but once those accusations have been made the airline can't really put itself in the position of dismissing them without investigation.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 03:55:44 PM
Whoops - nice going AA
https://www.businessinsider.com/american-airlines-black-social-worker-lawsuit-kidnapping-white-toddler-2020-7
Did you read the same article I did?
A person told airline personnel for whatever reason they thought a child was kidnapped based upon a story that was recently in the news.
The airline followed its protocols investigating the claim checking out documentation etc.
After about 40 minutes everything checked out, the woman was allowed back on the fight with an apology.
And then women sues airlines for trauma therapy nightmares
"would not have suffered the mental, physical and psychological harm flight personnel inflicted upon her."
I'm sorry but the biggest problem here is this frivolous bullshit is allowed in the United States.
I understand that it's unfortunate that the woman had to get delayed 40 minutes. But if a person even stupidly thinks a child is kidnapped snd there are unusual circumstances (ie a baby with a person who flagrantly isn't their child) it's not unreasonable for the airline to take proper safety measures. Especially considering that this is a social worker with a random child, so it's surely likely they don't have a normal comfort zone you'd normally see with a young child and a guardian.
Was the woman beaten? Locked in a room? Unable to eat drink or pee? Was racially flagrant language used? None of these things are mentioned anywhere.
But it's OK someone hurt her feelings, so she should sue for hundreds of thousands of dollars
Post by: Johnny English on July 16, 2020, 04:30:10 PM
Did you read the same article I did?
A person told airline personnel for whatever reason they thought a child was kidnapped based upon a story that was recently in the news.
The airline followed its protocols investigating the claim checking out documentation etc.
After about 40 minutes everything checked out, the woman was allowed back on the fight with an apology.
And then women sues airlines for trauma therapy nightmares
"would not have suffered the mental, physical and psychological harm flight personnel inflicted upon her."
I'm sorry but the biggest problem here is this frivolous bullshit is allowed in the United States.
I understand that it's unfortunate that the woman had to get delayed 40 minutes. But if a person even stupidly thinks a child is kidnapped snd there are unusual circumstances (ie a baby with a person who flagrantly isn't their child) it's not unreasonable for the airline to take proper safety measures. Especially considering that this is a social worker with a random child, so it's surely likely they don't have a normal comfort zone you'd normally see with a young child and a guardian.
Was the woman beaten? Locked in a room? Unable to eat drink or pee? Was racially flagrant language used? None of these things are mentioned anywhere.
But it's OK someone hurt her feelings, so she should sue for hundreds of thousands of dollars
I feel like you have to make a very specific and conscious effort to find the wrong side of an argument as often as you do. Like, it can't be an accident. Even when you're close to making sense you always find a way to make us go "wait, what the freak?"
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 04:41:59 PM
I feel like you have to make a very specific and conscious effort to find the wrong side of an argument as often as you do. Like, it can't be an accident. Even when you're close to making sense you always find a way to make us go "wait, what the freak?"
So you think it's reasonable for her to sue the airlines for this immensely traumatic experience of having security confirm that she wasn't kidnapping a child that a passenger accused her of?
Post by: bojanglesman on July 16, 2020, 04:43:38 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 04:45:58 PM
dcm internally fights between devil's advocate and contrarian on a daily basis.
I do not!
Oh
Post by: Badger on July 16, 2020, 04:46:47 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 16, 2020, 04:56:15 PM
So you think it's reasonable for her to sue the airlines for this immensely traumatic experience of having security confirm that she wasn't kidnapping a child that a passenger accused her of?
Did you read my previous post on this topic?
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 05:01:49 PM
Did you read my previous post on this topic?
Yes I'm aware that your thoughts were in some semblance relatable to my own, at least in spirit.
That's why I'm unsure in what regards you were referring to the wrong side of the argument
Post by: Johnny English on July 16, 2020, 05:42:49 PM
Yes I'm aware that your thoughts were in some semblance relatable to my own, at least in spirit.
That's why I'm unsure in what regards you were referring to the wrong side of the argument
How is the person at fault here the one who was incorrectly accused of being a kidnapper, presumably because of her race, and not the person making the accusation?
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 07:00:28 PM
How is the person at fault here the one who was incorrectly accused of being a kidnapper, presumably because of her race, and not the person making the accusation?
The person making an accusation saw something out of the ordinary and reported it to the appropriate authorities.
What their motivation is, is unknown. And personally I think they should've minded their own business, but ultimately this was a young child with a stranger so I'd give them the benefit of the doubt on picking up on subtle cues (and I don't mean this was a black person with a white kid. But rather a social worker with a young child they presumably didn't have any relationship with).
The organization by all accounts did their due diligence in a swift and reasonably respectful way (you can't expect an airline attendant to address kidnapping accusations regardless of what documentation the person has)
My issue with the victim, is that they want to turn a presumably reasonably respectful (as if it wasn't it surely would have been reported otherwise) short encounter into a horrifying traumatic experience that required them years of therapy and constant nightmares. Thus forcing them to make a cash grab lawsuit.
Hell the woman didn't even miss her freaking flight, the airline held the freaking plane for her!
Post by: Johnny English on July 16, 2020, 07:04:00 PM
The person making an accusation saw something out of the ordinary
I've genuinely read nothing else of your post, stopped at this point and written this reply. Because without clarification here the rest of it is of no relevance.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 07:05:55 PM
I've genuinely read nothing else of your post, stopped at this point and written this reply. Because without clarification here the rest of it is of no relevance.
Fortunately if you read on, I did clarify
Post by: Johnny English on July 16, 2020, 07:10:58 PM
Fortunately if you read on, I did clarify
OK, I just read the rest of your post. You did not clarify. What was out of the ordinary?
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 07:27:21 PM
OK, I just read the rest of your post. You did not clarify. What was out of the ordinary?
One would imagine that a very young child traveling alone with a stranger would behave differently than a young child traveling with a person that they have a comfort level with.
In this case was a young child traveling with a stranger
Post by: Johnny English on July 16, 2020, 07:29:45 PM
One would imagine that a very young child traveling alone with a stranger would behave differently than a young child traveling with a person that they have a comfort level with.
In this case was a young child traveling with a stranger
How did the other passenger know that they were a stranger?
Post by: insanity on July 16, 2020, 07:33:27 PM
How did the other passenger know that they were a stranger?(https://media0.giphy.com/media/8rk1lLt58hmPS/giphy.gif)
Post by: Johnny English on July 16, 2020, 07:35:43 PM
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/8rk1lLt58hmPS/giphy.gif)
Hush. Let them answer.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 08:03:24 PM
How did the other passenger know that they were a stranger?
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying if you saw a child traveling with someone they know and trust vs a child traveling with a complete stranger they don't know at all. The two presumably would behave very differently.
In this case you had a child traveling with a complete stranger. It's more than possible that an observer picked up on hey something is not right here, from whatever observable cues.
I'd imagine that the behavior of a kidnapped child and that of a child traveling with a complete stranger have some similarities. I'd also imagine that both are vastly different from a child traveling with a relative or guardian.
Or if I'm not explaining it well let me put it this way.
If you took 10 white adults and 10 white young children and put them somewhere together (ie at a park)
And 9 pairs of them were parent/child. The other pair were complete strangers. Do you think something awkward would stand out to some observers about the pair that was strangers?
Again I have no freaking idea why people are paying so much attention to strangers. But my point is that it's more than plausible that body language and behavior set off red flags. Of course the racial pairing of the social worker/child probably also drew attention as well. I'm not naieve enoguh to suggest that's not a factor, just that it's not the only factor.
Post by: delavan on July 16, 2020, 09:12:40 PM
Quote from: insanity
There is no way in hell I would be able to keep my cool in this situation
Agreed, woman showed remarkable poise.
Did you read the same article I did?
Was the woman beaten? Locked in a room? Unable to eat drink or pee? Was racially flagrant language used? None of these things are mentioned anywhere.
But it's OK someone hurt her feelings, so she should sue for hundreds of thousands of dollars
Yep.
Are you serious? Beaten? Locked? Unable to pee?
Sue for hundreds of thousands of dollars? Dollar to a stale doughnut $he's gonna have her day in court and AA's gonna happily pay to make it go away. AA freaked up - period.
"Excuse me Miss...I think that dark, swarthy man with the beard in 14B is a terrorist".
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 09:17:05 PM
Agreed, woman showed remarkable poise.
Yep.
Are you serious? Beaten? Locked? Unable to pee?
Sue for hundreds of thousands of dollars? Dollar to a stale doughnut $he's gonna have her day in court and AA's gonna happily pay to make it go away. AA freaked up - period.
"Excuse me Miss...I think that dark, swarthy man with the beard in 14B is a terrorist".
Yeah they're going to pay because they don't want the negative publicity of being associated with racism during all this BLM stuff.
That's why this story from a year ago suddenly is news and a lawsuit today
Post by: delavan on July 16, 2020, 10:05:57 PM
Yeah they're going to pay because they don't want the negative publicity of being associated with racism during all this BLM stuff.
That's why this story from a year ago suddenly is news and a lawsuit today
- No $hlt : )
- Strike while the iron'$ still hot
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 10:47:40 PM
- No $hlt : )
- Strike while the iron'$ still hot
Till someone calls the cops on them for driving a nice car 🙄
Post by: insanity on July 17, 2020, 07:10:54 AM
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying if you saw a child traveling with someone they know and trust vs a child traveling with a complete stranger they don't know at all. The two presumably would behave very differently.
In this case you had a child traveling with a complete stranger. It's more than possible that an observer picked up on hey something is not right here, from whatever observable cues.
I'd imagine that the behavior of a kidnapped child and that of a child traveling with a complete stranger have some similarities. I'd also imagine that both are vastly different from a child traveling with a relative or guardian.
Or if I'm not explaining it well let me put it this way.
If you took 10 white adults and 10 white young children and put them somewhere together (ie at a park)
And 9 pairs of them were parent/child. The other pair were complete strangers. Do you think something awkward would stand out to some observers about the pair that was strangers?
Again I have no freaking idea why people are paying so much attention to strangers. But my point is that it's more than plausible that body language and behavior set off red flags. Of course the racial pairing of the social worker/child probably also drew attention as well. I'm not naieve enoguh to suggest that's not a factor, just that it's not the only factor.
1. It's a baby. There is no body language or talking to set off red flags
2. The racial pairing is what set it off, and you giving the AA worker the benefit of the doubt instead of the SW worker is the whole issue. They took them off the plane and separated them because Karen said something. I'd love to hear what you would say to a white woman who had a white baby who you didnt think belonged to her... excuse me I noticed your baby was unhappy and crying did you steal it? There was no amber alert or ongoing situation to rationalize this. Someone thought this was odd because they couldn't possibly think this racial pairing was legit
Post by: Badger on July 18, 2020, 08:32:52 AM
https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1284284690665312256?s=19
Post by: IATA on July 19, 2020, 06:50:18 AM
Till someone calls the cops on them for driving a nice car 🙄
Are you local to them?
Post by: Johnny English on July 19, 2020, 05:51:20 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 21, 2020, 09:12:06 AM
Post by: delavan on July 21, 2020, 10:08:00 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/508188-st-louis-couple-that-waved-guns-at-protesters-charged-with-felonies
Chicken or the egg here: did the McCloskey's first wave their heat or was it in reaction to protestors first braking through a gate onto private property and (allegedly) threatening them. Either way, the (GOP) governor's going to cite Missouri's "castle doctrine," stick it to the Dem DA and pardon them so this is just going to end up (to the media'a dismay) an eventual non-story save for some political opportunist who will equate the pardon to setting Charlie Manson loose. Either way zzzzz..jmho
Post by: Johnny English on July 21, 2020, 10:42:17 AM
Chicken or the egg here: did the McCloskey's first wave their heat or was it in reaction to protestors first braking through a gate onto private property and (allegedly) threatening them. Either way, the (GOP) governor's going to cite Missouri's "castle doctrine," stick it to the Dem DA and pardon them so this is just going to end up (to the media'a dismay) an eventual non-story save for some political opportunist who will equate the pardon to setting Charlie Manson loose. Either way zzzzz..jmho
Accepting a pardon means accepting guilt, I don't know if pleading guilty to a felony comes with an automatic disbarment but I presume it will not reflect particularly well with their bar association.
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2020, 05:00:24 PM
Post by: delavan on July 27, 2020, 05:57:53 PM
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RICHMOND, Va. (WRIC) — Demonstrators are expected to make their way to Monroe Park on Saturday night for a protest called “Richmond Stands With Portland,” according to a profanity-laced flyer circulating on social media.
Richmond Councilwoman Kim Gray, who represents the city’s 2nd District, sent an email to Mayor Levar Stoney and newly appointed Police Chief Gerald Smith regarding the city’s response plan to the protest.
“As I am sure you know, publicity for this event is calling for participants to gather at Monroe Park at 9:30 p.m. tomorrow night. It can very easily be inferred from the attached flyer that participants will be encouraged or incited to engage in violent behavior,” Gray wrote. “It would be tremendously reassuring to residents if the City administration and RPD could communicate a plan of action.”
Gray then asks what Richmond’s plan of action is and what, if any, precautions residents should be taking ahead of the planned protest. The councilwoman told 8News that the mayor and police chief did not respond to her email.
Richmond police later told 8News that the department is “aware of the flyer.” “We are prepared. We will stay in touch, should anything develop,” police said.
Post by: delavan on July 27, 2020, 06:03:43 PM
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(cont.) Councilwoman Gray said in an interview with 8News on Friday that the threatening language indicates potential unrest in the city.
“What bothered me the most was f stuff up and I’m cleaning up the language for television. We’ve had enough damage to businesses in the areas and homes vandalized and cars windows smashed and set on fire,” said Gray.
Community activist Charles Willis says the curse words are a sign of hatred.
“We’re sick and tired of being sick and tired,” said Willis.
Willis said that he spoke with Stoney about the planned protest.
“He quickly picked up the phone as we contacted him to let him know our sentiments and what the community is saying and we got a very favorable response from the mayor that they are aware of it,” said Willis. “Chief Gerald Smith is prepared, but we believe also in being proactive instead of reactive.”
At this time, it is not clear who created the flyer. According to Gray, it has no relation with the Black Lives Matter Movement.
“We’re not talking about peaceful protestors, we’re talking about people who want to wreck havoc on our city and tear things apart,” said Gray.At this time, it is not clear who created the flyer.
According to Gray, it has no relation with the Black Lives Matter Movement.
Post by: Johnny English on July 28, 2020, 12:17:33 AM
https://www.upworthy.com/man-holds-up-black-lives-matter-sign-in-racist-town
Post by: dcm1602 on July 28, 2020, 07:49:54 AM
Get your excrement together.
https://www.upworthy.com/man-holds-up-black-lives-matter-sign-in-racist-town
To be fair black lives matter is a political organization.
It would have been a better experiment with something a little less politically charged
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 08:02:07 AM
To be fair black lives matter is a political organization."I don't hate black people, just the organization fighting against anti-black racism" is not the defense you think it is.
It would have been a better experiment with something a little less politically charged
It's been a really convenient copout for fence sitters though.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 28, 2020, 08:05:12 AM
"I don't hate black people, just the organization fighting against anti-black racism" is not the defense you think it is.
It's been a really convenient copout for fence sitters though.
Except they've been extremely selective in how they go about that goal.
I'm sure there's conservatives women's groups that you don't agree with. Does that make you sexist
Post by: Johnny English on July 28, 2020, 08:36:27 AM
To be fair black lives matter is a political organization.
It would have been a better experiment with something a little less politically charged
You're absolutely right dcm, "white pride" and "KIKE!" and "explain to me why a coon's life matters" and "no they don't" and "freak black lives" are all just perfectly legitimate political views that are in no way an unreasonable response to the statement that Black Lives Matter. Thanks for setting us straight on that.
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 11:11:32 AM
You're absolutely right dcm, "white pride" and "KIKE!" and "explain to me why a coon's life matters" and "no they don't" and "freak black lives" are all just perfectly legitimate political views that are in no way an unreasonable response to the statement that Black Lives Matter. Thanks for setting us straight on that.Those are just normal rebuttals to M-m-marxism
Post by: delavan on July 28, 2020, 01:13:19 PM
Get your excrement together.
https://www.upworthy.com/man-holds-up-black-lives-matter-sign-in-racist-town
Get your excrement together, boi. ; )
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Canadian_White.JPG)
To be fair black lives matter is a political organization.
It would have been a better experiment with something a little less politically charged
https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/
Post by: Johnny English on July 28, 2020, 01:25:27 PM
It's almost like there's a theme developing here.
Post by: delavan on July 28, 2020, 05:26:30 PM
https://www.startribune.com/police-umbrella-man-was-a-white-supremacist-trying-to-incite-george-floyd-rioting/571932272/
It's almost like there's a theme developing here.
Jerry Nadler as Rep. Dowell Loggains
https://twitter.com/LousersCringe/status/1287553777449369605
#ordained knowledge
Post by: dcm1602 on July 29, 2020, 08:06:12 AM
The city is so insanely fucked up you'd think it was Iraq during the war.
That shits on a whole different level
Post by: Johnny English on July 29, 2020, 12:41:40 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/29/outcry-in-new-york-after-police-force-protester-into-unmarked-van
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 29, 2020, 01:56:11 PM
The snatch squads are operating in NYC now, dealing with vandalism.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/29/outcry-in-new-york-after-police-force-protester-into-unmarked-van
NYPD operating their own version. No federal cops yet. Still freaking awful.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 29, 2020, 04:05:50 PM
I mean what are the alternatives? Let the most violent people incite destruction unchecked. Or send an army of heavily armed officers significantly escalating encounters?
Not sure what you guys would prefer
Post by: Heismanberg on July 29, 2020, 04:07:32 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 29, 2020, 04:18:10 PM
We would prefer for you to stop being so freaking ignorant
Ok Marxist
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 29, 2020, 07:20:03 PM
If the point of these unmarked cars is to pull the most dangerous and violent protestors out in order to avoid widespread damage and devastation as well as avoiding massive violent police vs protestor encounters then it's an absolute no freaking brainer that the police should be doing this.
I mean what are the alternatives? Let the most violent people incite destruction unchecked. Or send an army of heavily armed officers significantly escalating encounters?
Not sure what you guys would prefer
They abducted a teenager for desk appearance ticket for damaging police cameras, a misdemeanor.
Please stop being a tool.
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2020, 11:11:50 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 31, 2020, 10:01:04 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/31/portland-protests-latest-peaceful-night-federal-troops-withdrawal
Post by: delavan on July 31, 2020, 01:08:29 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2003/apr/11/artsfeatures3
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2020, 02:09:24 PM
https://twitter.com/BMarchetich/status/1289264623481307137?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 31, 2020, 02:32:28 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 31, 2020, 02:39:13 PM
They can't figure out the cause of all this civil unrest
https://twitter.com/BMarchetich/status/1289264623481307137?s=19
"We have looked extensively for a cause of all this protest that isn't us, as yet we have been unable to find one but we haven't given up trying."
Post by: Badger on August 02, 2020, 04:27:36 PM
https://twitter.com/BillyCorben/status/1289961836264095744?s=19
Post by: Badger on August 05, 2020, 04:49:00 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 05, 2020, 05:27:20 PM
Totally normalThe Navy SEALs cut ties with the museum.
https://twitter.com/BillyCorben/status/1289961836264095744?s=19
NGL, I've always wanted to wear one of those suits and have a go at being the bad guy in this drill.
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2020, 06:55:29 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 06, 2020, 07:33:03 AM
https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1291340083556167682?s=19
So does Giuliani think that a 1970s radical group had been lying dormant for 50 years until now, or that Aesop Rock, El-P and Cage are behind the BLM movement?
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2020, 07:49:05 AM
So does Giuliani think that a 1970s radical group had been lying dormant for 50 years until now, or that Aesop Rock, El-P and Cage are behind the BLM movement?Something something SAUL ALINSKY
Post by: Badger on August 07, 2020, 07:46:13 PM
Post by: delavan on August 18, 2020, 06:20:43 PM
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1295234554454654976
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1295354424320077826
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 18, 2020, 07:11:04 PM
crickets...
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1295234554454654976
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1295354424320077826
Yup, no agenda behind that account.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 18, 2020, 11:04:42 PM
Yup, no agenda behind that account.
How dare someones agenda warp clear video!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 24, 2020, 07:08:18 AM
Graphic violence warning
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 24, 2020, 08:44:03 AM
Post by: delavan on August 24, 2020, 03:22:51 PM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1297698630875385856?s=21
Graphic violence warning
Fortunately the shooting victim's in stable condition. Attempted murder. Big $ettlement to follow.
What the freak is this cop thinking? At worst the guy may've ignored an order (so what) but deadly force? This should be a layup for the DA.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 24, 2020, 04:17:12 PM
Fortunately the shooting victim's in stable condition. Attempted murder. Big $ettlement to follow.
What the freak is this cop thinking? At worst the guy may've ignored an order (so what) but deadly force? This should be a layup for the DA.
The argument is going to be “I thought he could be reaching for a weapon in his car,” maybe something tacked on about him being a danger to the kids in the car if he did have a weapon. It’s bullshit and these cops deserve to be locked up.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 24, 2020, 04:26:42 PM
The argument is going to be “I thought he could be reaching for a weapon in his car,” maybe something tacked on about him being a danger to the kids in the car if he did have a weapon. It’s bullshit and these cops deserve to be locked up.I know shooting the guy isn't the right thing to do, but what is the correct procedure there? Honest question. I know "don't shoot the guy", but do you let the guy go and chase him again? Wag your finger at him very sternly? Call dispatch and have someone else chase him? Tip your hat as he drives away and tell him you'll get him next time? Let him go and mail him a letter fining him $500?
I don't even know what he was stopped for. I assume they didn't have a taser. Not defending this, far from it, but it's easy to sit here and judge from the internet what we would do. I'd say with decent certainty I wouldn't shoot another person unless I felt I was in immediate danger of losing my life.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 24, 2020, 04:31:28 PM
I know shooting the guy isn't the right thing to do, but what is the correct procedure there? Honest question. I know "don't shoot the guy", but do you let the guy go and chase him again? Wag your finger at him very sternly? Call dispatch and have someone else chase him? Tip your hat as he drives away and tell him you'll get him next time? Let him go and mail him a letter fining him $500?
I don't even know what he was stopped for.
It really makes you wonder how freaking stupid/untrained some of these officers are though.
It's similar to the Atlanta shooting. Things escalated because you have incompetent officers who let them escalated.
Like hey I'm going to let you walk around the car, open the door, and as soon as you reach inside ill shoot you 7 times in the back?
I'm not absolving the victim of his own stupid behavior, but the police officers obviously should have done numerous things before it got to that point.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 24, 2020, 05:49:56 PM
I don't even know what he was stopped for.
From the little I've gathered since yesterday, the guy was trying to break up a fight between two women and then the police showed up, got his information for no reason, and found out he had a warrant.
MAYBE taze him or pepper spray him...just don't shoot him. He shot him seven times in the side and back from point blank range. I am absolutely shocked that dude didn't die.
TOUGHEST SOB ever
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 24, 2020, 07:25:16 PM
I know shooting the guy isn't the right thing to do, but what is the correct procedure there? Honest question. I know "don't shoot the guy", but do you let the guy go and chase him again? Wag your finger at him very sternly? Call dispatch and have someone else chase him? Tip your hat as he drives away and tell him you'll get him next time? Let him go and mail him a letter fining him $500?
I don't even know what he was stopped for. I assume they didn't have a taser. Not defending this, far from it, but it's easy to sit here and judge from the internet what we would do. I'd say with decent certainty I wouldn't shoot another person unless I felt I was in immediate danger of losing my life.
If they were trying to detain him then my first question is how he was able to get up and casually walk around the front of the SUV and open the door?
The cops were one step behind him walking at a half step. Both cops are going around the front of the car with their guns drawn with the the last guy either flagging his own partner in the back or waving the gun around to point it anywhere else aside from the ground which is where it should be if he isn’t aiming at anyone specifically, so the first thing this is showing me is that at least one of them is severely lacking training in both containment and muzzle control.
The next thing that is insane to me is that they follow him all the way around and the one cop just grabs onto his t-shirt with the other cop doing absolutely freaking nothing except continuing to wave his gun around with only one hand on it, which he has been doing the whole time, so I’m pretty convinced this dude had no idea what he was doing.
Going to the beginning of the video, it looks like there’s an altercation happening behind the SUV then the cops both just stand up and let him go, only to immediately panic when he stands up and starts walking away. If you’re going to arrest the guy, then arrest the guy. Cuff him, toss him in the squad car and call the mom to come and pick up the kids, or call whatever the equivalent Wisconsin has of Youth and Family Services to pick up the kids.
The seven shots at the end is just plain excessive force. These two should be fired, investigated and prosecuted. Neither are fit to patrol.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 24, 2020, 07:35:15 PM
If they were trying to detain him then my first question is how he was able to get up and casually walk around the front of the SUV and open the door?The only thing I can imagine is if they hadn't arrested/detained him yet and he just walked away while they were questioning him. All the other stuff you said makes total sense. Obviously there were major fuckups.
The cops were one step behind him walking at a half step. Both cops are going around the front of the car with their guns drawn with the the last guy either flagging his own partner in the back or waving the gun around to point it anywhere else aside from the ground which is where it should be if he isn’t aiming at anyone specifically, so the first thing this is showing me is that at least one of them is severely lacking training in both containment and muzzle control.
The next thing that is insane to me is that they follow him all the way around and the one cop just grabs onto his t-shirt with the other cop doing absolutely freaking nothing except continuing to wave his gun around with only one hand on it, which he has been doing the whole time, so I’m pretty convinced this dude had no idea what he was doing.
Going to the beginning of the video, it looks like there’s an altercation happening behind the SUV then the cops both just stand up and let him go, only to immediately panic when he stands up and starts walking away. If you’re going to arrest the guy, then arrest the guy. Cuff him, toss him in the squad car and call the mom to come and pick up the kids, or call whatever the equivalent Wisconsin has of Youth and Family Services to pick up the kids.
The seven shots at the end is just plain excessive force. These two should be fired, investigated and prosecuted. Neither are fit to patrol.
We'll soon find out. Hopefully the dude is OK. I doubt he's faultless in the whole thing, but that doesn't mean you need to get shot.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 24, 2020, 07:37:21 PM
The only thing I can imagine is if they hadn't arrested/detained him yet and he just walked away while they were questioning him. All the other stuff you said makes total sense. Obviously there were major fuckups.
We'll soon find out. Hopefully the dude is OK. I doubt he's faultless in the whole thing, but that doesn't mean you need to get shot.
If they haven’t arrested or detained him then there is no reason or need for him to stay there.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 24, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
If they haven’t arrested or detained him then there is no reason or need for him to stay there.I'm no cop, but can he leave if they are questioning him? Is that what "detained" is?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 24, 2020, 09:35:34 PM
I'm no cop, but can he leave if they are questioning him? Is that what "detained" is?
I honestly don’t think anyone is under an obligation to answer police questions. Isn’t MJ a lawyer? Is he the only lawyer on the board? I thought he’d be all over this excrement.
Post by: delavan on August 24, 2020, 10:07:17 PM
From the little I've gathered since yesterday, the guy was trying to break up a fight between two women and then the police showed up, got his information for no reason, and found out he had a warrant.
MAYBE taze him or pepper spray him...just don't shoot him. He shot him seven times in the side and back from point blank range. I am absolutely shocked that dude didn't die.
TOUGHEST SOB ever
Jacob Blake the shooting victim was also apparently tased before being shot 7 times and is now resting in stable condition? If I'm that cop I'd resign and skip town asap. And what of Blake's kids? Wonder how they feel about cops or how they'll feel about cops as (presumably) angry) grownups. When faced with an imminent deadly threat, all bet's are off - not even close in this case.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/us/kenosha-police-shooting-jacob-blake/index.html
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 24, 2020, 10:27:35 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 24, 2020, 11:40:34 PM
The video starts with the victim and the 2 male cops on the ground behind the car.
They clearly let him go and then????????????????????
At no point after the start of that video did the police do anything correctly.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 25, 2020, 07:12:16 AM
They clearly let him go and then????????????????????
Let him go? It’s clear from their reaction they weren’t intending on letting him go. We can’t see what happened behind the car but in my opinion they were trying to detain/cuff/arrest him and he slipped them. If it’s true that he got tazed, then that’s definitely what happened.
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At no point after the start of that video did the police do anything correctly.
This is correct.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 25, 2020, 07:44:14 AM
Let him go? It’s clear from their reaction they weren’t intending on letting him go. We can’t see what happened behind the car but in my opinion they were trying to detain/cuff/arrest him and he slipped them. If it’s true that he got tazed, then that’s definitely what happened.
They all just stood up. I can’t see anything consistent with either tasing him or either of the cops switching between tasers and pistols. The only thing that is clear from the video is that the two cops have no idea what they are doing.
Post by: Johnny English on August 25, 2020, 07:45:26 AM
Jacob Blake the shooting victim was also apparently tased before being shot 7 times and is now resting in stable condition? If I'm that cop I'd resign and skip town asap.
Not sure that would help much, he's apparently pissed off a Terminator and those fuckers never stop hunting you down.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 08:45:30 AM
I'd be interested (especially given the relative lack of information) as to how they acquired his pedigree info which of course popped back the open warrant when they ran it.
Once that happened though, they have everything they need to detain. He still doesn't need to say excrement to them besides 'lawyer" but I mean its fairly obvious that if you have an open warrant and come into police contact-you're getting hauled in.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2020, 08:54:00 AM
Admittedly I know next to nothing about this situation.Sooo many amendments......(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200825/baeec468df31d28772cd466d7cee0ee7.jpg)
I'd be interested (especially given the relative lack of information) as to how they acquired his pedigree info which of course popped back the open warrant when they ran it.
Once that happened though, they have everything they need to detain. He still doesn't need to say excrement to them besides 'lawyer" but I mean its fairly obvious that if you have an open warrant and come into police contact-you're getting hauled in.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2020, 08:55:27 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 08:58:45 AM
Sooo many amendments......(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200825/baeec468df31d28772cd466d7cee0ee7.jpg)
"My name is secured creditor"
-One of my favorite sovereign citizen clients.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 25, 2020, 09:37:16 AM
paralyzed from the waist down
freak
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 11:28:22 AM
freak
Yeah, after getting more details and watching the video, who cares. Black owned businesses are being put to the torch because a guy wanted for a violent felony wouldn't comply with lawful directives even with a GUN ON HIM. freak that. What a joke.
The "breaking up a fight" narrative which has already been cast into doubt will now be promoted and regurgitated, even if its proven to be false like hands up don't shoot.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2020, 11:30:35 AM
Yeah, after getting more details and watching the video, who cares.
You are the scum of the earth
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 11:35:36 AM
You are the scum of the earth
Lmao but are you ever tired of being wrong and looking like the utter dumb sack of excrement you are because you run with the first narrative? Like ever?
He WaS bReAKiNg Up A FiGhT. Nice one retard.
What we appear to have here is a domestic disturbance call made to 911 specifically complaining about this guy (hence how the cops got his info and determined he had an open warrant for sexual assault).
Cops get there, guy is belligerent, refuses to follow orders, everyone there knows he's going to be taken in...and they're supposed to wait for him to emerge from that SUV with what ABSOLUTELY could be a freaking gun?
I mean, there's no way around it, you're just hopelessly freaking dumb, or so gaslit to excrement that you've become feral in this anti-cop fervor.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 25, 2020, 11:39:35 AM
Lmao but are you ever tired of being wrong and looking like the utter dumb sack of excrement you are because you run with the first narrative? Like ever?
He WaS bReAKiNg Up A FiGhT. Nice one retard.
What we appear to have here is a domestic disturbance call made to 911 specifically complaining about this guy (hence how the cops got his info and determined he had an open warrant for sexual assault).
Cops get there, guy is belligerent, refuses to follow orders, everyone there knows he's going to be taken in...and they're supposed to wait for him to emerge from that SUV with what ABSOLUTELY could be a freaking gun?
I mean, there's no way around it, you're just hopelessly freaking dumb, or so gaslit to excrement that you've become feral in this anti-cop fervor.
Seriously, who hurt you?
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2020, 11:41:05 AM
"I CAN BE A RACIST POS BECAUSE MY JOB MADE ME TALK TO THESE PEOPLE"
Man, you did it for yourself and no one else. Scummy bigot.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2020, 11:41:47 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 11:43:41 AM
Seriously, who hurt you?
Mhmmm. As usual, your outlook is in line with the fat, pigtailed sack of excrement in this article with the ACAB sign. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8660213/Video-shows-Jacob-Blake-brawling-cops-shot-Wisconsin-cops-placed-leave.html
And as usual, your post, much like the unquestionable existence of her gunt, stinks like excrement.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 25, 2020, 11:44:36 AM
Mhmmm. As usual, your outlook is in line with the fat, pigtailed sack of excrement in this article with the ACAB sign. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8660213/Video-shows-Jacob-Blake-brawling-cops-shot-Wisconsin-cops-placed-leave.html
And as usual, your post, much like the unquestionable existence of her gunt, stinks like excrement.
You calling someone fat is hilarious.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 11:45:48 AM
My favorite mj defense is when he tried to act high and mighty for being basically forced to publicly defend people with low incomes.
"I CAN BE A RACIST POS BECAUSE MY JOB MADE ME TALK TO THESE PEOPLE"
Man, you did it for yourself and no one else. Scummy bigot.
My favorite part is where you're on an internet board crying crocodile tears for someone with an open warrant for sexual assault being in the middle of a situation where the cops were responding to a domestic incident involving him yet again.
And you have the unmitigated balls to cast aspersions on my career choices, or my morality for that matter.
As usual, fat retard screams RacIsT and expects to be taken seriously for lack of having anything else on their side.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 11:46:28 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 25, 2020, 11:47:11 AM
Who asked for mj's opinion on this? We already knew the answer.
Yea, my bad. I thought he could render a legal opinion without being a complete piece of excrement.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 11:47:30 AM
You calling someone fat is hilarious.
...
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 11:56:04 AM
- The complaint the cops were responding to SPECIFICALLY names Blake and the person who called apparently explicitly said Blake, "wasn't supposed to be there." Whether that's because of the open warrant, or even further because of an open order of protection, who knows. But given that he was specifically named in a 911 complaint and identified, the cops know going in they're dealing with someone with an open warrant, likely to be agitated and they have to bring him in on the warrant. He knows the second he interacts with a cop, he's going to jail.
- Cops get there. We have no idea what transpired between them getting there and him fighting three cops, but he gets freaking TASED on top of already being in a scuffle with said law enforcement officers.
- After already fighting three cops and being tased, the cops have their guns drawn, telling him not to move. Not only does he move, he reaches into his car like hes going to grab something. Why cop who already has a gun on him didn't try to grab him before he got to the car, who knows but bare in mind this guy already fought three cops and apparently ate a freaking taser shot and is still moving.
And this is why Heisenberg is ok with black owned businesses being completely freaking torched to the ground and why Cato can call me a piece of excrement.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 11:56:25 AM
Yea, my bad. I thought he could render a legal opinion without being a complete piece of excrement.
Lol, suck my dick you stupid sack of excrement.
Just to clarify, stupid, the "legal opinion" is apparently whether or not the cops had a right to detain a guy when they were responding to a domestic disturbance where he's the perpetrator and he already has an open warrant. HAHAHAHAHA lets get Clarence Darrow on this one.
Now normally I'd say, "hey look the facts presented were different and you operated on them" but the problem is, the perpetually angry do this about 90 percent of the time and never back off the initial narrative.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 25, 2020, 12:00:19 PM
Lol, suck my dick you stupid sack of excrement.
Pass, but thanks for the invite.
Just to reiterate, no one is impressed by the stupid tantrums you throw on this board.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 12:05:10 PM
Pass, but thanks for the invite.
Just to reiterate, no one is impressed by the stupid tantrums you throw on this board.
StUpID tANtRuMS while your besty literally goes on a very personal rant about how I chose to spend my first year out of my clerkship before the same old bullshit.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2020, 12:11:09 PM
As usual, fat retard screams
This describes every single one of your posts
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2020, 12:12:36 PM
StUpID tANtRuMS while your besty literally goes on a very personal rant about how I chose to spend my first year out of my clerkship before the same old bullshit.
You bragged about it and tried to use it as a defense for your awful, bigoted opinions. It's comical.
You weren't doing anything for anyone other than yourself.
"this will look great on my resume"
Post by: MBGreen on August 25, 2020, 12:26:45 PM
StUpID tANtRuMS while your besty literally goes on a very personal rant about how I chose to spend my first year out of my clerkship before the same old bullshit.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200825/363b3e5a40eae06bb1e6eaf6ed502d37.jpg)
Post by: Badger on August 25, 2020, 12:30:25 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 25, 2020, 12:30:47 PM
StUpID tANtRuMS while your besty literally goes on a very personal rant about how I chose to spend my first year out of my clerkship before the same old bullshit.
Shut up, snowflake.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 12:41:14 PM
You bragged about it and tried to use it as a defense for your awful, bigoted opinions. It's comical.
You weren't doing anything for anyone other than yourself.
"this will look great on my resume"
"Bragged about it"
I brought it up after being tired of the incessant accusations of being called a racist. It's an example as to how you own no freaking moral high ground, you dumb poseur. The rest of your post is meaningless projection, but its freaking laughable that someone would take a job in legal aid as some sort of stepping stone. Yup. Lots of white shoe firms and judgeships being filled with legal aid ex-pats you absolute ignoramus.
We are only discussing this because you've yet again latched onto a narrative thats been completely exposed as a fraud, and you look like the stupid poopchute that you are.
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This is a excrement take.
Shut up, snowflake.
This is even worse.
Anyway, anyone want to actually explain to me why they're stanning for the guy who had the cops called on him on a domestic while he has an open warrant for sexual assault only to fight with said cops, continue to resist and then get shot for it? Shitty behavior leads to shitty results.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2020, 12:45:55 PM
We are only discussing this
We are discussing this because you said he deserved it.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2020, 12:46:57 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 12:53:06 PM
We are discussing this because you said he deserved it.
Oh, so rather then easily debunk that point you decided to get personal as usual, like the excrement eating lady garden you are.
And yeah, if you've lived a life where you already have an open warrant for a sex crime, you're engaging in action that gets the cops called on you on a DV, you fight with those cops and then even after getting tased, disregard what they're saying while they have a gun on you and go into your car to reach for something, you are therefore playing with fire and will get burned.
This is not the George Floyd situation where whatever happened leading up to that moment was irrelevant, but then that requires looking at these things with just a little nuance.
"I am not a racist because I got paid to interact with black people"
"I am not a racist because I take convenient positions despite easily verifiable facts being available which debunk each of these positions. I'm so woke, btw you watch the latest Desus and Mero?"
I mean, there is no doubt in my mind you have deep seated insecurity and this is how it manifests.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2020, 01:14:48 PM
Oh, so rather then easily debunk that point you decided to get personal as usual, like the excrement eating lady garden you are.
To be perfectly honest, you made it quite personal when you said he deserved it. It was disgusting comment.
Post by: Johnny English on August 25, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
Oh, so rather then easily debunk that point you decided to get personal as usual, like the excrement eating lady garden you are.
And yeah, if you've lived a life where you already have an open warrant for a sex crime, you're engaging in action that gets the cops called on you on a DV, you fight with those cops and then even after getting tased, disregard what they're saying while they have a gun on you and go into your car to reach for something, you are therefore playing with fire and will get burned.
This is not the George Floyd situation where whatever happened leading up to that moment was irrelevant, but then that requires looking at these things with just a little nuance.
I really, really don't want to get into the middle of this argument, but I don't think anyone is arguing that he shouldn't have been arrested. It looks to me like the problem started with several cops allowing him to walk around one side of his car, around the front and to the driver's door, and only once he opened it did they decide to do something - in this case shoot him six times. It seems to me like if they didn't want a situation to be created in which shooting him became in their minds a viable option, they should have tackled him to the ground prior to reaching the car door.
If they're so scared of the physical interaction despite having a significant advantage in terms of numbers and training, then one has to question their suitability to being cops. Either they wanted a situation to arise in which they could justify opening fire, or they were too inept to prevent it.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 01:46:14 PM
To be perfectly honest, you made it quite personal when you said he deserved it. It was disgusting comment.
“To be perfectly honest, I hated your comment about the guy with an open warrant for sexual assault who fought three cops responding to a dv call, so I’m going to speculate on your career choices and call you a racist.”
Ahahahahahahahaha.
I really, really don't want to get into the middle of this argument, but I don't think anyone is arguing that he shouldn't have been arrested. It looks to me like the problem started with several cops allowing him to walk around one side of his car, around the front and to the driver's door, and only once he opened it did they decide to do something - in this case shoot him six times. It seems to me like if they didn't want a situation to be created in which shooting him became in their minds a viable option, they should have tackled him to the ground prior to reaching the car door.
If they're so scared of the physical interaction despite having a significant advantage in terms of numbers and training, then one has to question their suitability to being cops. Either they wanted a situation to arise in which they could justify opening fire, or they were too inept to prevent it.
They didn’t allow him to do anything, he broke free. They then had guns pulled on him thinking that would de-escalate. They already tried to tackle and tase him. At some point-what the freak. What else could be done. How about the guy just freaking comply, not fight the cops and not continue to resist.
Funny enough, not only did not one person acknowledge that he should’ve been arrested, but the legality of his detainment was questioned.
Your last paragraph is all well and good except hindsight is 20/20, and the idea that the cops somehow wanted this given that they already could’ve shot him when they fought him is ridiculous.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 25, 2020, 01:47:06 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 25, 2020, 01:49:55 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 25, 2020, 01:50:23 PM
can we add 'Gaslighting' to the overused terms listNo
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2020, 01:54:55 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 25, 2020, 01:55:32 PM
Everyone with an open warrant for literally anything should be shot on sight.Preferably by uzis....so they don’t get up
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2020, 01:55:52 PM
Pulling a gun is not and never will be a de-escalatory tactic.
But he beat them up!
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2020, 01:56:58 PM
can we add 'Gaslighting' to the overused terms listSpeaking of asslighting, lighting a fart is the funniest thing ever unless you are doing it yourself.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 25, 2020, 02:10:50 PM
“To be perfectly honest, I hated your comment about the guy with an open warrant for sexual assault who fought three cops responding to a dv call, so I’m going to speculate on your career choices and call you a racist.”
Ahahahahahahahaha.
They didn’t allow him to do anything, he broke free. They then had guns pulled on him thinking that would de-escalate. They already tried to tackle and tase him. At some point-what the freak. What else could be done. How about the guy just freaking comply, not fight the cops and not continue to resist.
Funny enough, not only did not one person acknowledge that he should’ve been arrested, but the legality of his detainment was questioned.
Your last paragraph is all well and good except hindsight is 20/20, and the idea that the cops somehow wanted this given that they already could’ve shot him when they fought him is ridiculous.
I'm certainly not one to think the guy bears no responsibility in his unfortunate outcome.
But you have to admit the fact the guy walked around the car while the two cops just kinda derp derped doesn't bode well for their competence..
Sure the narrative anytime anything bad happens with cops and a black man is entirely one sided and I don't think that's going to change.
But the cops just did so much excrement wrong. Taze him (again), get out your baton and break his leg, hell shoot him in the freaking knee cap (which to be fair would have gotten the cops treated the exact same way)
I just don't see how anyone could watch the video and say yeah those guys look well trained and did their jobs appropriately. The situation was allowed to escalate despite their being time and opportunity to prevent it. And then just shooting someone at point blank 7 times in the back just seems insane.
Policing and police race relations are going to be so fucked for years to come. That people won't even know or care what the right thing is anymore because it's become such a heated and charged issue
Post by: IATA on August 25, 2020, 02:32:11 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 05:42:32 PM
Everyone with an open warrant for literally anything should be shot on sight, unless they are wearing a MAGA hat.
I don't have to make up the overt stupidity that you come up with. That's the thing. You wouldn't have to result to this stupid bullshit if you could actually make a case that engaging in the behavior he did is somehow justifiable or isn't going to have a horrible result.
But anyway remember everyone, if you're a minor wearing a MAGA hat you're fair game for any sort of horrible things inclusive of physical violence and death, but dv suspects with open warrants for freaking underage girls at 29 get to literally engage in physicality with cops, get warned with guns drawn on them and should still be allowed to reach into their car for who knows what.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 05:45:31 PM
From the little I've gathered since yesterday, the guy was trying to break up a fight between two women and then the police showed up, got his information for no reason, and found out he had a warrant.
MAYBE taze him or pepper spray him...just don't shoot him. He shot him seven times in the side and back from point blank range. I am absolutely shocked that dude didn't die.
TOUGHEST SOB ever
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is actually so freaking funny in hindsight for so many reasons. Almost none of this is correct.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2020, 05:54:12 PM
It almost feels like you are celebrating this shooting.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 06:10:39 PM
What a freaking loser.
It almost feels like you are celebrating this shooting.
WhAt a freaking LosEr. I guess that's what I'd say if I looked like such an poopchute for rushing to regurgitate absolute bullshit.
I wouldn't care if this wasn't a chronic thing with you as you try and operate with some sense of having the moral authority here. Or if the bullshit you regurgitate wasn't used as rationale by absolute psychos to burn a freaking community to the ground.
Post by: IATA on August 25, 2020, 06:16:01 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 25, 2020, 06:18:32 PM
https://twitter.com/Dannyjokes/status/1298366177740304390
Post by: MBGreen on August 25, 2020, 06:59:37 PM
Just out of curiosity, which one of you is the brave freedom fighter yelling at the evil racist white lady?Look at her Milky Wilkys honk honk jugga wuggas
https://twitter.com/Dannyjokes/status/1298366177740304390
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 25, 2020, 07:20:45 PM
Post by: ons on August 25, 2020, 08:13:25 PM
I'm actually horrified at the idea of another human being's freedom being in your hands.
Well, mj would be a fantastic public defender in any jurisdiction where having the police called on you is a capital offense.
Pulling a gun is not and never will be a de-escalatory tactic.
Yeah. There needs to be a dramatic retooling for deescalation and restraining techniques for law enforcement in this country. I know in Japan both police and school staff are trained to restrain people using numbers and long poles that are built to 'trap' people. I'm sure law enforcement in different countries do different things, and there has to be a better solution than guns drawn and shots fired into a person's back within three minutes of police arriving on the scene.
Post by: Badger on August 25, 2020, 09:01:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 25, 2020, 09:07:48 PM
And the sad thing is the dialog here is probably more civilized than 95% of the country.
Free speech doesn't exist anymore.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 02:22:38 AM
I'm actually horrified at the idea of another human being's freedom being in your hands.
I'm laughing at your continued inability to make any sort of discernible point on the topic at hand, but that'll happen when defending the subject of a dv call who also happens to be an accused rapist who resisted arrest, refused lawful orders and went to go reach for something in his car.
Well, mj would be a fantastic public defender in any jurisdiction where having the police called on you is a capital offense.
Why resort to this type of bullshit?
Show me where I've said anyone who gets the cops called on them or has an open warrant should get shot. GTFO with this bullshit.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 08:32:11 AM
I'm laughing at your continued inability to make any sort of discernible point on the topic at hand, but that'll happen when defending the subject of a dv call who also happens to be an accused rapist who resisted arrest, refused lawful orders and went to go reach for something in his car.
Why resort to this type of bullshit?
Show me where I've said anyone who gets the cops called on them or has an open warrant should get shot. GTFO with this bullshit.
Whatever you say, snowflake.
Post by: ons on August 26, 2020, 11:05:11 AM
Show me where I've said anyone who gets the cops called on them or has an open warrant should get shot. GTFO with this bullshit.
Yeah, after getting more details and watching the video, who cares.
My point was only that you should care about deadly force utilized by local police departments to subdue suspects, which subverts due process, destroys lives, and tears apart the delicate trust in our institutions of law and governance. I don't think you particularly support the behavior of the police in this instance, but apathy seems like an incredibly hypocritical impulse for anyone who cares about government overreach, the rule of law, or the rights of the accused.
Edit: that being said, I didn't carefully read through all of your other iNsIgHtFuL pOsTs because it got a little tedious, so I might have lost some of the nuance of your thought process.
Post by: IATA on August 26, 2020, 12:07:30 PM
so I might have lost some of the nuance of your thought process.
nah
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 02:45:40 PM
mj must be so proud of Kyle Rittenhouse
Something something minor something how dare you dox him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 26, 2020, 04:10:38 PM
mj must be so proud of Kyle Rittenhouse
https://twitter.com/koush/status/1298548095920164866?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on August 26, 2020, 04:15:54 PM
https://twitter.com/koush/status/1298548095920164866?s=19
freak me
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2020, 04:19:00 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 26, 2020, 04:29:29 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 06:27:35 PM
mj must be so proud of Kyle Rittenhouse
Damn straight.
Something something minor something how dare you dox him.
Lol, eat excrement stupid.
Wonder if it's too late for him to get a speaking slot at the RNC?
Still preferable to this monster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Hylton
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2020, 06:29:46 PM
Damn straight.
Wait, you're serious?
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 06:31:35 PM
Wait, you're serious?
WaIt YoU'Re SeRiOuS.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 06:36:04 PM
WaIt YoU'Re SeRiOuS.Remember dude, Biden needs your vote. Do the needful.
Post by: klaximilian on August 26, 2020, 06:37:42 PM
Remember dude, Biden needs your vote. Do the needful.
He needs a lot of votes.
Post by: Johnny English on August 26, 2020, 06:38:30 PM
Still preferable to this monster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Hylton
Well. Let's see if his incarceration leads to a similar redemption. You do believe in the justice system as a rehabilitative process, right?
I'll be honest, I do find it a little concerning that a legal aid lawyer might consider someone who served 27 years for a heinous crime committed as a very young person, became an ordained minister in prison, and has dedicated her life to helping people learn from her errors and advocating for the prison system to help rehabilitate more people the way she has been, to be a "monster" and worse than someone who just ran amok in the streets with a rifle killing people.
I suspect she would have a more charitable heart for Rittenhouse than you do for her, when she has done rather more to deserve it.
Post by: IATA on August 26, 2020, 06:41:41 PM
How do you feel about the dr. Who lost her medical license for saying she would give Jews the wrong meds? Do you feel like she treated her patients the same, despite what she said?
Post by: Johnny English on August 26, 2020, 06:43:36 PM
dr. Who lost her medical license for saying she would give Jews the wrong meds
Always said they should never have made him a her.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 06:45:24 PM
He needs a lot of votes.Get’er dun, ‘Merica
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 06:45:33 PM
Well. Let's see if his incarceration leads to a similar redemption. You do believe in the justice system as a rehabilitative process, right?
I'll be honest, I do find it a little concerning that a legal aid lawyer might consider someone who served 27 years for a heinous crime committed as a very young person, became an ordained minister in prison, and has dedicated her life to helping people learn from her errors and advocating for the prison system to help rehabilitate more people the way she has been, to be a "monster" and worse than someone who just ran amok in the streets with a rifle killing people.
I suspect she would have a more charitable heart for Rittenhouse than you do for her, when she has done rather more to deserve it.
I find your categorization of what happened to be so typical of the delusion that so many on this board operate from. But fwiw he won't be incarcerated for long given that this was clear self-defense.
And while I do believe in the rehabilitative and restorative process of incarceration, I'm sure you'd be gushing the same way about someone speaking at the RNC who took tweezers to someones testicles and forced them to drink bleach before murdering them. You have no idea what's in my heart, but the point is-don't throw stones.
One has to wonder if he treats his minority clients different than his white ones, taking his post history into account.
How do you feel about the dr. Who lost her medical license for saying she would give Jews the wrong meds? Do you feel like she treated her patients the same, despite what she said?
Point out one thing I've ever said that was racist, nevermind to anywhere near the equivalent of your insulting example. freak you too.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2020, 06:48:43 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 06:50:21 PM
Scum of the earth
Yeah, given your moral compass goes suspected pedo over kid in a maga hat that did nothing wrong, you really, really are.
Post by: IATA on August 26, 2020, 06:50:35 PM
I find your categorization of what happened to be so typical of the delusion that so many on this board operate from. But fwiw he won't be incarcerated for long given that this was clear self-defense.Clear self defense? He fired with a long rifle from a distance after having time to kneel down and set-up.
And while I do believe in the rehabilitative and restorative process of incarceration, I'm sure you'd be gushing the same way about someone speaking at the RNC who took tweezers to someones testicles and forced them to drink bleach before murdering them. You have no idea what's in my heart, but the point is-don't throw stones.
Point out one thing I've ever said that was racist, nevermind to anywhere near the equivalent of your insulting example. freak you too.
He's beyond fucked.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 06:53:08 PM
Clear self defense? He fired with a long rifle from a distance after having time to kneel down and set-up.
He's beyond fucked.
Luckily there's literal video showing that this didn't happen. Still waiting for any proof to match your previous disgusting assertion you freaking lowlife.
Anyway, Wisconson AG just came out and said Blake had a knife. Oops! So now we're stanning for a knife wielding suspected pedo that was the subject of a dv call and resisted to the point of already fighting with three cops. Well done gang.
Post by: Johnny English on August 26, 2020, 06:53:59 PM
I find your categorization of what happened to be so typical of the delusion that so many on this board operate from. But fwiw he won't be incarcerated for long given that this was clear self-defense.
Fairly sure that running across a parking lot to chase after protesters with a semiautomatic rifle before shooting one in the head would take some impressive lawyering to paint as self defense, but let's see. You're the expert here.
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And while I do believe in the rehabilitative and restorative process of incarceration, I'm sure you'd be gushing the same way about someone speaking at the RNC who took tweezers to someones testicles and forced them to drink bleach before murdering them. You have no idea what's in my heart, but the point is-don't throw stones.
You'll note, I hope, that at no point have I defended anything that she did. The word I used, which I grant you is overused these days, was "heinous".
Tell you what though, I promise you that if the RNC ever puts up someone as a speaker who committed a similarly awful crime, spends over a quarter of a century in prison, and dedicates their life post release to doing what good they can in the world, I promise you that I will be similarly supportive. (Not sure where you get "gushing" from. We're talking like grown ups here, please try not to audition for Fox. I couldn't give you the job if I wanted to.)
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2020, 06:56:09 PM
Yeah, given your moral compass goes suspected pedo over kid in a maga hat that did nothing wrong, you really, really are.
freak that kid
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 07:00:48 PM
Luckily there's literal video showing that this didn't happen. Still waiting for any proof to match your previous disgusting assertion you freaking lowlife.Shoot the knife out of his hand...duh
Anyway, Wisconson AG just came out and said Blake had a knife. Oops! So now we're stanning for a knife wielding suspected pedo that was the subject of a dv call and resisted to the point of already fighting with three cops. Well done gang.
Post by: IATA on August 26, 2020, 07:01:00 PM
Luckily there's literal video showing that this didn't happen. Still waiting for any proof to match your previous disgusting assertion you freaking lowlife.Ah you're right, I was thinking of the other shooting that happened the other day in I think Illinois? luckily no one was killed in that one
Anyway, Wisconson AG just came out and said Blake had a knife. Oops! So now we're stanning for a knife wielding suspected pedo that was the subject of a dv call and resisted to the point of already fighting with three cops. Well done gang.
As per the PD, "we investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing. Also he was on drugs or had a knife or something the officers didn't even see until well after they shot him".
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 07:04:37 PM
Fairly sure that running across a parking lot to chase after protesters with a semiautomatic rifle before shooting one in the head would take some impressive lawyering to paint as self defense, but let's see. You're the expert here.
You'll note, I hope, that at no point have I defended anything that she did. The word I used, which I grant you is overused these days, was "heinous".
Tell you what though, I promise you that if the RNC ever puts up someone as a speaker who committed a similarly awful crime, spends over a quarter of a century in prison, and dedicates their life post release to doing what good they can in the world, I promise you that I will be similarly supportive. (Not sure where you get "gushing" from. We're talking like grown ups here, please try not to audition for Fox. I couldn't give you the job if I wanted to.)
How is this the narrative when there's multiple videos and ample footage at this point showing him running away from being molotoved before an attacker caught up with him and he shot them?
This is the problem with everything at this point-everyone is dealing with separate fact patterns.
99.9 percent of the time you talk to me like a grownup, between that and being fun as freak to watch a Jets game with, I appreciate you.
freak that kid
I love the fact that that kid will be infinitely more wealthy then either of us because of the worst of our "media" constantly striving to appeal to people like you.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 26, 2020, 07:41:25 PM
WaIt YoU'Re SeRiOuS.
This loses its effect halfway through the first time you use it
Post by: bojanglesman on August 26, 2020, 07:51:28 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 26, 2020, 07:54:38 PM
Why was he at a riot with a semi automatic weapon?
Clearly to cause confrontation and shoot people
Post by: Johnny English on August 26, 2020, 08:00:00 PM
Why did he travel to a riot in a different state with a semi automatic weapon?
FYP
Post by: bojanglesman on August 26, 2020, 08:02:09 PM
FYPWell that's a better legal question. I was just going for the common sense angle.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 08:03:28 PM
Well that's a better legal question. I was just going for the common sense angle.
In the hope that he would get to use it.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 08:54:27 PM
I dipped into the whiskey
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2020, 09:01:41 PM
what if mj2sexay was black?
He would've committed suicide years ago
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 09:06:00 PM
He would've committed suicide years ago
what a selfish darkie.
Post by: insanity on August 26, 2020, 09:20:08 PM
Luckily there's literal video showing that this didn't happen. Still waiting for any proof to match your previous disgusting assertion you freaking lowlife.People reacted to a man running to a group of people with a rifle by throwing things at him. That is an odd description of self-defense.
Anyway, Wisconson AG just came out and said Blake had a knife. Oops! So now we're stanning for a knife wielding suspected pedo that was the subject of a dv call and resisted to the point of already fighting with three cops. Well done gang.
What do you think is going to happen? Kid wanted to play hero and was caught without the experience necessary to make a good decision.
On the other hand this Jacob Blake case is going to get interesting because while the optics of 7 shots to the back are horrendous, resisting arrest and then fleeing to your car doesn't make you innocent.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 09:21:27 PM
On the other hand this Jacob Blake case is going to get interesting because while the optics of 7 shots to the back are horrendous, resisting arrest and then fleeing to your car doesn't make you innocent.
Shoot him in the leg or taser him...why fire 7 bullets into the guy?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 09:28:07 PM
what a selfish darkie.
I think we can go without using racial slurs on the forum, even if meant in jest.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 09:29:05 PM
People reacted to a man running to a group of people with a rifle by throwing things at him. That is an odd description of self-defense.
What do you think is going to happen? Kid wanted to play hero and was caught without the experience necessary to make a good decision.
On the other hand this Jacob Blake case is going to get interesting because while the optics of 7 shots to the back are horrendous, resisting arrest and then fleeing to your car doesn't make you innocent.
He doesn't have to be innocent to not be shot.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 09:29:26 PM
I think we can go without using racial slurs on the forum, even if meant in jest.
shut up, whitey.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2020, 09:30:03 PM
Shoot him in the leg or taser him...why fire 7 bullets into the guy?
Serious question, is shoot the guy in the leg an actual thing that police officers (intentionally) do per certain protocol (not just on a whim) ? Or is that another one of those movie things?
I mean while it makes a lot of sense (to normal folks who watch movies) id imagine that when it comes to actual policy. That if you're shooting someone in the leg, you probably shouldn't be shooting them at all
Post by: insanity on August 26, 2020, 09:31:41 PM
Shoot him in the leg or taser him...why fire 7 bullets into the guy?1. No one is taught to shoot people in the leg
2. They tried tasering, and it didn't work
3. I'm assuming after resisting arrest and being tasered emotions were high and fight or flight was kicking in as the officers didn't know why he was going into his car.
With that said, the blame does not get removed from the cops. But this very quickly turned from a clear race issue into a poor policing issue.
Post by: insanity on August 26, 2020, 09:32:15 PM
Serious question, is shoot the guy in the leg an actual thing that police officers (intentionally) do per certain protocol (not just on a whim) ? Or is that another one of those movie things?It is not.
I mean while it makes a lot of sense (to normal folks who watch movies) id imagine that when it comes to actual policy. That if you're shooting someone in the leg, you probably shouldn't be shooting them at all
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 09:32:16 PM
Serious question, is shoot the guy in the leg an actual thing that police officers (intentionally) do per certain protocol (not just on a whim) ? Or is that another one of those movie things?
I mean while it makes a lot of sense (to normal folks who watch movies) id imagine that when it comes to actual policy. That if you're shooting someone in the leg, you probably shouldn't be shooting them at all
As opposed to pumping 7 bullets into the guy?
If there's no taser, and the guy is a threat....you don't have to fatally wound him, shoot him in the leg to incapacitate him. I dunno, I'm an I.T. guy.
Post by: insanity on August 26, 2020, 09:33:41 PM
As opposed to pumping 7 bullets into the guy?Half serious response, he shot him 7 times and the guy is still alive. I don't kow whats more likely that he's a great shot or a terrible one.
If there's no taser, and the guy is a threat....you don't have to fatally wound him, shoot him in the leg to incapacitate him. I dunno, I'm an I.T. guy.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 09:33:42 PM
1. No one is taught to shoot people in the leg
2. They tried tasering, and it didn't work
3. I'm assuming after resisting arrest and being tasered emotions were high and fight or flight was kicking in as the officers didn't know why he was going into his car.
With that said, the blame does not get removed from the cops. But this very quickly turned from a clear race issue into a poor policing issue.
ahh...didn't know they tried to taser him.
Post by: insanity on August 26, 2020, 09:35:19 PM
ahh...didn't know they tried to taser him.Let me clarify, reports are they tried to taser him. I couldn't see in the video if he was actually tasered, but he was wrestled to the ground.
Like all things we shouldn't make immediate decisions based on our initial emotion reactions. Hard to do as we are humans, but lets see what comes out of this in a couple of days.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 09:35:33 PM
Serious question, is shoot the guy in the leg an actual thing that police officers (intentionally) do per certain protocol (not just on a whim) ? Or is that another one of those movie things?
I mean while it makes a lot of sense (to normal folks who watch movies) id imagine that when it comes to actual policy. That if you're shooting someone in the leg, you probably shouldn't be shooting them at all
No, it's a low percentage shot. Two shots, center mass (chest or gut) is the standard. Qualification targets are from the waist up, and the scoring system discourages aiming for arms or going for head shots.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 09:35:35 PM
Half serious response, he shot him 7 times and the guy is still alive. I don't kow whats more likely that he's a great shot or a terrible one.
Other than paralyzing him, they also clipped a few major organs....if he doesn't succumb to his injuries, he might live out his life as a vegetable.
Post by: insanity on August 26, 2020, 09:37:15 PM
Other than paralyzing him, they also clipped a few major organs....if he doesn't succumb to his injuries, he might live out his life as a vegetable.insensitive post is insensitive =/
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 09:38:23 PM
insensitive post is insensitive =/
sorry, wasn't meant to be insensitive. I was speaking matter of factly. Just pointing out this may be a worse fate than death.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2020, 09:40:33 PM
As opposed to pumping 7 bullets into the guy?
If there's no taser, and the guy is a threat....you don't have to fatally wound him, shoot him in the leg to incapacitate him. I dunno, I'm an I.T. guy.
I never said to shoot the guy 7 times in the back. I was very straightforward when I said these cops were flat out incompetent buffons.
I'm just imaging that there's probably a protocol and they didn't follow it. Police batons are surely still a thing right? Break a freaking kneecap or two
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 09:42:25 PM
I never said to shoot the guy 7 times in the back. I was very straightforward when I said these cops were flat out incompetent buffons.
I'm just imaging that there's probably a protocol and they didn't follow it. Police batons are surely still a thing right? Break a freaking kneecap or two
Apparently the shooter was in the front row at a Trump rally (saw this on twitter).....pretty sure his mind was made up before dialing it back to a police baton.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2020, 09:54:18 PM
Apparently the shooter was in the front row at a Trump rally (saw this on twitter).....pretty sure his mind was made up before dialing it back to a police baton.
Even pretending he's a closet KKK member. I doubt this
Anyone whose turned on a TV in the last few months should realize what kind of hell they're in for if they shoot a black man as a police officer.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 09:56:39 PM
Even pretending he's a closet KKK member. I doubt this
Anyone whose turned on a TV in the last few months should realize what kind of hell they're in for if they shoot a black man as a police officer.
I think you're giving this clown too much credit in the realm of common sense.
Post by: insanity on August 26, 2020, 09:57:57 PM
sorry, wasn't meant to be insensitive. I was speaking matter of factly. Just pointing out this may be a worse fate than death.Lol I was pointing out that my comment was insensitive.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 09:58:09 PM
Let me clarify, reports are they tried to taser him. I couldn't see in the video if he was actually tasered, but he was wrestled to the ground.
Like all things we shouldn't make immediate decisions based on our initial emotion reactions. Hard to do as we are humans, but lets see what comes out of this in a couple of days.
They wrestle him to the ground, then draw weapons and let him up. Speaking solely in terms of apprehension tactics, if you're taking someone to the deck you should have already made the decision to cuff him, and if there are three freaking cops there then there should be no freaking room for him to get up.
The part that pisses me off in this very limited scope is that it looks like they drew their weapons as a means of pacification. If you pull your gun you need to be prepared to use it for it's only logical conclusion. Seven shots in his back and side while holding onto his tank top tells me they didn't know what they were doing. Carrying a deadly weapon as part of your job is a responsibility, not a security blanket.
If they didn't know what they were doing in the apprehension piece then I'm not convinced they knew what they were doing when they showed up.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 09:58:38 PM
Lol I was pointing out that my comment was insensitive.
this is what happens when i read posts while drinking.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 09:59:31 PM
this is what happens when i read posts while drinking.
Whiskey recommendation?
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 10:01:16 PM
Whiskey recommendation?
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Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2020, 10:02:30 PM
I think you're giving this clown too much credit in the realm of common sense.
I don't think it's even common sense at this point.
I mean literally the entire world has been talking about nothing but BLM since covid became old news. I'm sure as a police officer that it's an unrelenting source of bitching and whining for all of his social circles.
But who knows, the guys clearly an idiot
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 10:04:35 PM
I don't think it's even common sense at this point.
I mean literally the entire world has been talking about nothing but BLM since covid became old news. I'm sure as a police officer that it's an unrelenting source of bitching and whining for all of his social circles.
But who knows, the guys clearly an idiot
It's always a measure of common sense. If you don't have any, you shouldn't have a badge. Period.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 10:18:20 PM
Why was he at a riot with a semi automatic weapon?
I'm unsympathetic to the "he shouldn't have been out there with a gun." The community he lives 20 minutes or so away from is being burnt to the ground. The state has proven (and for the record, so much of this is on Tony Evers) they will do nothing to stop it. I have no problem with private citizens taking matters into their own hands to prevent prevalent and senseless ongoing destruction and mayhem.
Maybe don't participate in violent, non-peaceful demonstration and violate the non-aggression principle. If you're going to engage in that behavior, maybe don't try and brain someone with a skateboard. And if you are going to brain someone with a skateboard, better to not choose the 17 year old with a gigantic gun.
He would've committed suicide years ago
More like douchebag white people like you would call me an Uncle Tom.
what a selfish darkie.
...what the freak is this?
People reacted to a man running to a group of people with a rifle by throwing things at him. That is an odd description of self-defense.
This is all well and good except for the part that he, the person with the gun retreated and was violently pursued.
As for Blake, the idea that these cops indiscriminately wanted to shoot a black guy is absurd considering there was already a scuffle, he got up and they had their guns drawn without doing anything before he went into the car for apparently what we've learned was a knife.
But I look forward to the continued attempt by some to search to place culpability on the cops in this situation given what we now know.
It's always a measure of common sense. If you don't have any, you shouldn't have a badge. Period.
Brought to you by the same person who asked why they couldn't have just shot Blake in the leg.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 10:21:01 PM
I'm unsympathetic to the "he shouldn't have been out there with a gun." The community he lives 20 minutes or so away from is being burnt to the ground. The state has proven (and for the record, so much of this is on Tony Evers) they will do nothing to stop it. I have no problem with private citizens taking matters into their own hands to prevent prevalent and senseless ongoing destruction and mayhem.
Maybe don't participate in violent, non-peaceful demonstration and violate the non-aggression principle. If you're going to engage in that behavior, maybe don't try and brain someone with a skateboard. And if you are going to brain someone with a skateboard, better to not choose the 17 year old with a gigantic gun.
More like douchebag white people like you would call me an Uncle Tom.
...what the freak is this?
This is all well and good except for the part that he, the person with the gun retreated and was violently pursued.
As for Blake, the idea that these cops indiscriminately wanted to shoot a black guy is absurd considering there was already a scuffle, he got up and they had their guns drawn without doing anything before he went into the car for apparently what we've learned was a knife.
But I look forward to the continued attempt by some to search to place culpability on the cops in this situation given what we now know.
Brought to you by the same person who asked why they couldn't have just shot Blake in the leg.
lol
Post by: insanity on August 26, 2020, 10:25:57 PM
They wrestle him to the ground, then draw weapons and let him up. Speaking solely in terms of apprehension tactics, if you're taking someone to the deck you should have already made the decision to cuff him, and if there are three freaking cops there then there should be no freaking room for him to get up.
The part that pisses me off in this very limited scope is that it looks like they drew their weapons as a means of pacification. If you pull your gun you need to be prepared to use it for it's only logical conclusion. Seven shots in his back and side while holding onto his tank top tells me they didn't know what they were doing. Carrying a deadly weapon as part of your job is a responsibility, not a security blanket.
If they didn't know what they were doing in the apprehension piece then I'm not convinced they knew what they were doing when they showed up.
Precisely. This incident appears to be caused by poor training/policing. I'm not sure race was the root cause here, like most things it probably exacerbated the problem though.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2020, 10:27:06 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 10:29:48 PM
The world would be a better place if Tucker Carlson died
this guy sucks
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 10:30:02 PM
Precisely. This incident appears to be caused by poor training/policing. I'm not sure race was the root cause here, like most things it probably exacerbated the problem though.
Based on what?
The world would be a better place if Tucker Carlson died
Lol I didn't watch him tonight, how was he. Highly recommend Ship of Fools though, great book.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 10:35:28 PM
Precisely. This incident appears to be caused by poor training/policing. I'm not sure race was the root cause here, like most things it probably exacerbated the problem though.
We can agree that they are bad cops who should not have been on the job.
The part where you are going to disagree with me is that I believe their actions were 100% informed by Jake Blake's race.
What is odd to me is that the Kenosha PD has yet to say whether or not the responding police officers had any prior knowledge of Blake's warrant. If they did I don't understand why they wouldn't have claimed it since that would be the best way to try sway public opinion.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 10:37:30 PM
The world would be a better place if Tucker Carlson died
That whole network can get swollowed in a sink hole.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 26, 2020, 10:39:04 PM
yeah, some of the protests have turned into the protesters wanted to cause civil unrest and cause property damage, but you wouldn't see any of them instantaneously take away the life of another if given the chance. they are protesting against death
the guy was being attacked but he was running the streets with a gun after he'd already apparently fired shots and protesters resorted to trying to subdue him, without any firearms. the kid with the skateboard was already running away from him when he decided to shoot him in the face and take his life away
awesome that there was a knife in blake's car, awesome for the cause. the knife in blake's car means nothing, even then i find a hard time believing blake thought he'd stand a chance with a knife against 3 cops with guns drawn (here comes the 'he was intoxicated so he wasn't thinking right and had it coming' retorts), but as others have already pointed out, after whatever scuffle occurred on the ground the officers had no business letting him nonchalantly get up and allow him to walk to his car only to shoot him when he gets there because they didn't do anything before hand. you could tell he was physically beat up by the way he walked to the car. they made the decision to physically subdue him only to say 'whoops' and give up halfway, only to go 'double whoops' after he reaches his door at which point they decide they had to shoot him to make up for their multiple errors
never forget, a black man like blake gets 7 in the back and paralyzed for life, while cops literally drive by that piece of excrement while he's holding a rifle waving at them after he's gunned down multiple civilians in the street. cops brought dylan roof burger king before they took him in. never forget
Post by: insanity on August 26, 2020, 10:45:29 PM
We can agree that they are bad cops who should not have been on the job.
The part where you are going to disagree with me is that I believe their actions were 100% informed by Jake Blake's race.
What is odd to me is that the Kenosha PD has yet to say whether or not the responding police officers had any prior knowledge of Blake's warrant. If they did I don't understand why they wouldn't have claimed it since that would be the best way to try sway public opinion.
I don't think that coukdnt be the case I just think there are better case studies that shou I be used to show how racism results in different treatment from cops.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 10:49:03 PM
lol
Gonna use another racial slur?
yeah, some of the protests have turned into the protesters wanted to cause civil unrest and cause property damage, but you wouldn't see any of them instantaneously take away the life of another if given the chance. they are protesting against death
Lol, tell that to David Dorn.
the guy was being attacked but he was running the streets with a gun after he'd already apparently fired shots and protesters resorted to trying to subdue him, without any firearms. the kid with the skateboard was already running away from him when he decided to shoot him in the face and take his life away
This isn't at all what happened.
awesome that there was a knife in blake's car, awesome for the cause. the knife in blake's car means nothing, even then i find a hard time believing blake thought he'd stand a chance with a knife against 3 cops with guns drawn (here comes the 'he was intoxicated so he wasn't thinking right and had it coming' retorts),
I mean, what. The knife is irrelevant? So now we can pull knives on cops. After already fighting them, so clearly he thought he must have had a shot.
never forget, a black man like blake gets 7 in the back and paralyzed for life, while cops literally drive by that piece of excrement while he's holding a rifle waving at them after he's gunned down multiple civilians in the street.
Never forget excrement false equivalence is excrement. Never forget.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2020, 10:49:53 PM
It's always a measure of common sense. If you don't have any, you shouldn't have a badge. Period.
I mean the intellectual barrier to be a police officer is pretty freaking low. Unless you're talking about select rare geographical areas with wildly overpaid police officers (ie Long Island), I don't know why the freak a person with any intelligence whatsoever would want to be a police officer. (and I'm certainly not suggesting that long Island cops are intelligent, just that I could see intelligent people wanting to be one)
I don't think the solution is to start making police officers a 6 figure job either though.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 10:52:44 PM
Gonna use another racial slur?
giving you a taste of your own medicine, Adolf
any other dumb questions?
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 10:53:46 PM
I mean the intellectual barrier to be a police officer is pretty freaking low. Unless you're talking about select rare geographical areas with wildly overpaid police officers (ie Long Island), I don't know why the freak a person with any intelligence whatsoever would want to be a police officer. (and I'm certainly not suggesting that long Island cops are intelligent, just that I could see intelligent people wanting to be one)
I don't think the solution is to start making police officers a 6 figure job either though.
the cops in Winnipeg make well over 6 figures and have ridiculous pensions
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 10:54:11 PM
giving you a taste of your own medicine, Adolf
Stop projecting your obvious racism on others. I'm not the one lobbing absurd fuckin racial epithets from the 40's.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 26, 2020, 10:54:46 PM
thanks
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 10:54:53 PM
Stop projecting your obvious racism on others. I'm not the one lobbing absurd fuckin racial epithets from the 40's.
Don't you support the biggest racist in the history of your country?
I'm not racist at all. I'm Canadian.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 10:59:02 PM
can somebody find out how often that kid drove into kenosha due to his love and care for the city before that night
thanks
Can somebody find out how often rooftop koreans started patrolling the rooftops of Los Angeles before Rodney King happened
thanks
Don't you support the biggest racist in the history of your country?
I already told you, I'm not voting Biden.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:01:15 PM
I already told you, I'm not voting Biden.
You should vote Biden. He might actually prevent what's left of your country from burning to the ground.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 11:01:25 PM
I mean, what. The knife is irrelevant? So now we can pull knives on cops. After already fighting them, so clearly he thought he must have had a shot.
When the freak did he actually pull a knife? If he has a knife when the cops are yelling at him then why is he walking around the vehicle trying to get into his car? To get his other, bigger knife? This whole line is bullshit.
If he had a knife on the other side of the car then why did they let him up, which would make it easier for him to use the knife, and let him walk around?
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:03:17 PM
You should vote Biden. He might actually prevent what's left of your country from burning to the ground.
The only parts of my country burning to the ground are led by ineffectual democratic simps who are too stupid to understand these little seditionist scumbag brownshirts committing all this burning and violence will turn on them at a moments notice.
I thought you were trolling initially, but you believe this outlandish bullshit.
This whole line is bullshit.
This from someone who is blindly asserting racial animus is at play with absolutely no proof.
The Wisconsin AG has announced there was a knife in the car. The same car he was reaching into. After fighting with the cops. What else is he going for?
Post by: IATA on August 26, 2020, 11:05:28 PM
When the freak did he actually pull a knife? If he has a knife when the cops are yelling at him then why is he walking around the vehicle trying to get into his car? To get his other, bigger knife? This whole line is bullshit.
If he had a knife on the other side of the car then why did they let him up, which would make it easier for him to use the knife, and let him walk around?
"HE HAD A WARRANT AND A KNIFE AND PROBLY DRUGS AND MAYBE WAS TRAFFICKING THE KIDS BECAUSE WHY ELSE WOULD A BLACK MALE HAVE 3 KIDS WITH HIM AND HE WAS TAZED MAYBE AND IT JUST MADE HIM RETARD STRONG AND HE HAD A LOOK IN HIS EYES" - mj2sexay 2020, probably
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:06:38 PM
"HE HAD A WARRANT AND A KNIFE AND PROBLY DRUGS AND MAYBE WAS TRAFFICKING THE KIDS BECAUSE WHY ELSE WOULD A BLACK MALE HAVE 3 KIDS WITH HIM AND HE WAS TAZED MAYBE AND IT JUST MADE HIM RETARD STRONG AND HE HAD A LOOK IN HIS EYES" - mj2sexay 2020, probably
I KNOW YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO STRAWMANNING ME IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT AND NO ABILITY TO FORMULATE AN ARGUMENT BUT YOU'RE STILL A STUPID lover of the older lady.
Post by: IATA on August 26, 2020, 11:07:03 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:08:24 PM
The only parts of my country burning to the ground are led by ineffectual democratic simps who are too stupid to understand these little seditionist scumbag brownshirts committing all this burning and violence will turn on them at a moments notice.
I thought you were trolling initially, but you believe this outlandish bullshit.
Are you really this daft? At first i thought you suffered from nyjunc "I must respond" syndrome...but i'm starting to wonder if you really are a freaking nazi.
Post by: IATA on August 26, 2020, 11:08:37 PM
would that have somehow made my argument more convincing?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 11:08:39 PM
Can somebody find out how often rooftop koreans started patrolling the rooftops of Los Angeles before Rodney King happened
Just so everyone is aware, this whole concept was started after Soon Ja Du, a liquor store owner, shot a 15 year old black girl in the head for attempting to steal a bottle of orange juice and throwing it on the counter after she was caught.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:09:15 PM
Are you really this daft? At first i thought you suffered from nyjunc "I must respond" syndrome...but i'm starting to wonder if you really are a freaking nazi.
The guy hurling racist bullshit called me a Nazi! HAHAHA we've come full circle.
my goodness you are an angry little man, mj
More projection
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 11:09:39 PM
Are you really this daft? At first i thought you suffered from nyjunc "I must respond" syndrome...but i'm starting to wonder if you really are a freaking nazi.
He is 100% a white supremacist.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:09:54 PM
would you prefer i included more frequent usage of "lol imagine..." , "stupid lover of the older lady", or wOrDs TyPeD lIkE tHiS?
would that have somehow made my argument more convincing?
"You're so angry!"
Proceeds to get a second comment in because he just didn't get enough in the first.
Hahahahahahahahaha.
He is 100% a white supremacist.
For the millionth time today, eat excrement stupid. It's the same tired bullshit when you have absolutely nothing else.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 11:10:36 PM
The guy hurling racist bullshit called me a Nazi! HAHAHA we've come full circle.
Game recognize game.
Post by: IATA on August 26, 2020, 11:11:05 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:11:10 PM
my goodness you are an angry little man, mj
Imagine making the assumption that a dude was reaching for a knife just because he went to his car. Better shoot him 7x.
Where did MJ get his law degree....at the Circle K?
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:11:25 PM
Game recognize game.
More stupid excrement from the dunning-kruger case.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 11:11:36 PM
For the millionth time today, eat excrement stupid. It's the same tired bullshit when you have absolutely nothing else.
I wouldn't be harping on it if you didn't dump vast amounts of evidence onto the board.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:12:36 PM
Imagine making the assumption that a dude was reaching for a knife just because he went to his car. Better shoot him 7x.
Where did MJ get his law degree....at the Circle K?
Imagine not making this assumption after already getting into a fight with someone who' already has an open warrant.
Better just shoot him in the leg. Because only the sensible should be cops. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Call me a Nazi again before hurling another antiquated racist term, fathead.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 11:13:23 PM
Imagine not making this assumption after already getting into a fight with someone who' already has an open warrant.
Better just shoot him in the leg. Because only the sensible should be cops. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Call me a Nazi again before hurling another antiquated racist term, fathead.
You are a freaking Nazi.
Post by: IATA on August 26, 2020, 11:13:50 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:13:59 PM
I wouldn't be harping on it if you didn't dump vast amounts of evidence onto the board.
Point it out.
The only vast amount of evidence prevalent on this board is the absolute stupidity of you and a couple of others.
And I wouldn't mind it until you little twats just have to get so personal. Well freak you.
You are a freaking Nazi.
Say it again, it still doesn't mask your absolute lack of anything to say. Rely on the same old excrement like the NPC you are.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:14:19 PM
richard spencer, cool haircut or just a fad?
Ah yes, noted Biden supporter, but I'm sure thats a false flag and excrement.
Post by: IATA on August 26, 2020, 11:15:20 PM
Ah yes, noted Biden supporter, but I'm sure thats a false flag and excrement.
this is great, now tell me about how great the hulkster is
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2020, 11:15:21 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:16:36 PM
A manic Nazi
Manic would indeed describe your reaction whenever Nick Sandmann is mentioned.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:17:20 PM
The guy hurling racist bullshit called me a Nazi! HAHAHA we've come full circle.
I'm confident that i have more multicultural friends in my inner circle than you. I don't even know you, but i'm sure it's true.
And yeah, i hurled that slur at you....because the joke was what would it be like if you were black and someone hurled a slur your way in a reversal of roles. For a lawyer, you don't read very well. Good thing they graded on the curve at your community college.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 11:17:54 PM
Point it out.
The only vast amount of evidence prevalent on this board is the absolute stupidity of you and a couple of others.
And I wouldn't mind it until you little twats just have to get so personal. Well freak you.
Say it again, it still doesn't mask your absolute lack of anything to say. Rely on the same old excrement like the NPC you are.
I've made multiple posts regarding exactly how wrong those murderers with badges have failed their obligations and you never respond to those.
My evidence for your racism is every blind opinion you post where the white person with a badge or a conservative opinion is automatically correct. You are a freaking garbage person.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:19:01 PM
I'm confident that i have more multicultural friends in my inner circle than you. I don't even know you, but i'm sure it's true.
I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS!
Lmao holy freak dude, you just keep digging. You said something stupid, own it.
I wouldn't even mind until your dumb freaking derriere decides to call me a nazi out of your own fatheaded ignorance. So yes I will harp on it since you want to get so personal. Racist.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:19:43 PM
this is great, now tell me about how great the hulkster is
lmaooooo
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2020, 11:20:52 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:21:08 PM
I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS!
Lmao holy freak dude, you just keep digging. You said something stupid, own it.
I wouldn't even mind until your dumb freaking derriere decides to call me a nazi out of your own fatheaded ignorance. So yes I will harp on it since you want to get so personal. Racist.
Still can't read eh....i feel sorry for your clients. RIP
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:21:20 PM
I've made multiple posts regarding exactly how wrong those murderers with badges have failed their obligations and you never respond to those.
A quick perusal of this very thread during the George Floyd situation would show this to be a blatant falsehood, but again you're not a person who operates on facts. You're an overemotional jerkoff who runs with narrative and warps anything possible to fit to it.
My evidence for your racism is every blind opinion you post where the white person with a badge or a conservative opinion is automatically correct. You are a freaking garbage person.
So you have no evidence. Thought so. You are pathetic.
People that scream "RACIST" to otherwise mask their pathetic lack of an argument or their worldview or narrative being challenged are the worst.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2020, 11:23:33 PM
Walking with a knife...oh wait, it was just his cell phone.
But he had a criminal background, so it's okay to shoot him (10+ times), right?
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:23:59 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:26:20 PM
https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1297134711450542080?s=20
Walking with a knife...oh wait, it was just his cell phone.
But he had a criminal background, so it's okay to shoot him (10+ times), right?
So look, I get that again, you're a dumb sack of excrement with no ability to formulate or sustain an argument, but these situations don't seem to be the same, nor do I know any of the details of what happened in Lafayette.
Better luck next time at some sort of gotcha moment.
TIL mj2sexay has no black friends. Should probably remove that sawastika from his forehead.
We've gone from racial slurs to embarrassing ramblings.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:27:09 PM
So look, I get that again, you're a dumb sack of excrement with no ability to formulate or sustain an argument, but these situations don't seem to be the same, nor do I know any of the details of what happened in Lafayette.
Better luck next time at some sort of gotcha moment.
We've gone from racial slurs to embarrassing ramblings.
Recap:
mj is a triggered fat freak that calls other posters fat....and is a nazi.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:28:01 PM
Recap:
mj is a triggered fat freak that calls other posters fat....and is a nazi.
"Triggered"
Lol there's more of that projection. What is with some of you?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 11:30:56 PM
A quick perusal of this very thread during the George Floyd situation would show this to be a blatant falsehood, but again you're not a person who operates on facts. You're an overemotional jerkoff who runs with narrative and warps anything possible to fit to it.
So you have no evidence. Thought so. You are pathetic.
People that scream "RACIST" to otherwise mask their pathetic lack of an argument or their worldview or narrative being challenged are the worst.
This is what a racist would say.
I have more tactical training than you, I have more search and arrest training than you. I know how the people who walk around with badges should act.
If this is the best response you can manage on the subject than you are clearly a excrement lawyer.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:31:33 PM
"Triggered"
Lol there's more of that projection. What is with some of you?
your entire history in this thread is you name-calling other posters when they've disagreed with you...it's pathetic. Normally i don't give a excrement about stuff like this, because we're all adults, and everyone slings a bit a mud from time to time.....but i really think you have problems.
and yes, you're quite triggered.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 11:33:26 PM
your entire history in this thread is you name-calling other posters when they've disagreed with you...it's pathetic. Normally i don't give a excrement about stuff like this, because we're all adults, and everyone slings a bit a mud from time to time.....but i really think you have problems.
and yes, you're quite triggered.
He is not an adult.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:36:11 PM
This is what a racist would say.
Yes, how dare someone ask for proof of their racism before being given absolutely none and responding in kind. freak this kafka-esque bullshit, I know you and your ilk love the idea of struggle sessioning people on non-existent animus or positions they hold, but more and more people are righteously telling you to freak off.
I have more tactical training than you, I have more search and arrest training than you. I know how the people who walk around with badges should act.
AHAHAHAHAHA
What the freak did you just freaking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the freak out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my freaking words. You think you can get away with saying that excrement to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're freaking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable derriere off the face of the continent, you little excrement. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your freaking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will excrement fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're freaking dead, kiddo.
your entire history in this thread is you name-calling other posters when they've disagreed with you...it's pathetic. Normally i don't give a excrement about stuff like this, because we're all adults, and everyone slings a bit a mud from time to time.....but i really think you have problems.
and yes, you're quite triggered.
My entire history in this thread is responding to people getting personal in kind. You don't like it? Don't freaking do it.
Why does it never ever get to this level with JE?
The only person triggered here is you.
He is not an adult.
You are a clown, and a really shitty person. Just a regressive little poopchute who can't engage in a civil conversation when their POV is challenged and has to resort to bullshit tactics.
Anyway, tell us again about your tactical expertise Ventura.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:38:16 PM
Yes, how dare someone ask for proof of their racism before being given absolutely none and responding in kind. freak this kafka-esque bullshit, I know you and your ilk love the idea of struggle sessioning people on non-existent animus or positions they hold, but more and more people are righteously telling you to freak off.
AHAHAHAHAHA
What the freak did you just freaking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the freak out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my freaking words. You think you can get away with saying that excrement to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're freaking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable derriere off the face of the continent, you little excrement. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your freaking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will excrement fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're freaking dead, kiddo.
My entire history in this thread is responding to people getting personal in kind. You don't like it? Don't freaking do it.
Why does it never ever get to this level with JE?
The only person triggered here is you.
You are a clown, and a really shitty person. Just a regressive little poopchute who can't engage in a civil conversation when their POV is challenged and has to resort to bullshit tactics.
Anyway, tell us again about your tactical expertise Ventura.
thanks for confirming my point
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:40:25 PM
He is not an adult.
this is certainly up for debate
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2020, 11:40:48 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 11:41:14 PM
Yes, how dare someone ask for proof of their racism before being given absolutely none and responding in kind. freak this kafka-esque bullshit, I know you and your ilk love the idea of struggle sessioning people on non-existent animus or positions they hold, but more and more people are righteously telling you to freak off.The proof is your own posts. I've said as much already. I don't have to dedicate my time to reposting excrement that never should have been posted in the first placee.
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AHAHAHAHAHAYup, total adult response.
What the freak did you just freaking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the freak out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my freaking words. You think you can get away with saying that excrement to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're freaking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable derriere off the face of the continent, you little excrement. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your freaking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will excrement fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're freaking dead, kiddo.
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My entire history in this thread is responding to people getting personal in kind. You don't like it? Don't freaking do it.
Why does it never ever get to this level with JE?
The only person triggered here is you.
You are a clown, and a really shitty person. Just a regressive little poopchute who can't engage in a civil conversation when their POV is challenged and has to resort to bullshit tactics.
Anyway, tell us again about your tactical expertise Ventura.
Ibid
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:44:44 PM
The proof is your own posts. I've said as much already. I don't have to dedicate my time to reposting excrement that never should have been posted in the first placee.
Ibid
You can't point to one thing because it doesn't exist. So take your sham accusations that are, again, nothing but a mask for a complete lack of argument and inability to engage without being a whiny little bitch, and stick them in your low information derriere.
I don't owe you an 'adult response." That ship sailed a long time ago as you have repeatedly gotten personal, repeatedly been a smarmy ignoramus of an poopchute and have repeatedly assigned ugly and horrific characteristics on me out of the reasons described above. You're literally calling me a white supremacist/racist with absolutely nothing to back it up and you expect a good faith response? FOH.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 26, 2020, 11:52:58 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2020, 11:53:05 PM
You can't point to one thing because it doesn't exist.
Do you support Donald Trump?
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:53:52 PM
Do you support Donald Trump?
i tried this angle with him....it didn't register.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 26, 2020, 11:54:29 PM
i tried this angle with him....
I just want him to destroy his own argument.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:55:03 PM
I just want him to destroy his own argument.
his arguments are littered with his tourette's syndrome.
Post by: IATA on August 26, 2020, 11:56:12 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:56:17 PM
relax guys
i'm half a bottle into this Gibsons' Finest. Any more relaxed and i'll be clinically dead.
Post by: MBGreen on August 26, 2020, 11:56:46 PM
I actually have that and I'm offended.
but you've channeled it into comedic prose.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2020, 11:59:26 PM
Do you support Donald Trump?
Sure do. Your point being?
i tried this angle with him....it didn't register.
What angle was that, absurdly hurling a slur before pathetically dropping the "I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS" excuse?
Post by: Heismanberg on August 27, 2020, 12:00:26 AM
Sure do. Your point being?
You made my point.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 12:00:54 AM
Sure do. Your point being?
What angle was that, absurdly hurling a slur before pathetically dropping the "I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS" excuse?
LOL...your blatant support of that orange POS clearly outweighs the slur that I hurled at you in a reversal of roles.
Grow up and get a clue.
Post by: IATA on August 27, 2020, 12:01:12 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 27, 2020, 12:01:46 AM
You made my point.
Your "point" is that it is racist to support Trump.
In other words, you have absolutely no point whatsoever.
LOL...your blatant support of that orange POS clearly outweighs the slur that I hurled at you in a reversal of roles.
Grow up and get a clue.
You've already made it clear that the only thing matching your overt racism is your TDS.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 12:03:04 AM
Your "point" is that it is racist to support Trump.
In other words, you have absolutely no point whatsoever.
You've already made it clear that the only thing matching your overt racism is your TDS.
I'm trying to figure out what's more pathetic....supporting Trump or that you paid money to attend WWE events.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 27, 2020, 12:04:34 AM
How many "MyPillows" do you own?
lmao
Post by: Heismanberg on August 27, 2020, 12:05:17 AM
Your "point" is that it is racist to support Trump.
How is this not racist?
Please tell us. What makes you not a racist? Because you certainly support a lot of them.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 27, 2020, 12:07:36 AM
How is this not racist?
Please tell us. What makes you not a racist? Because you certainly support a lot of them.
This is the thing, I know what I am and what I'm not. I don't have to tell you excrement. You made the accusation. The burden of proof is on you.
How is Trump racist? How is supporting him racist? How do you know what racism looks like, as opposed to say Herschel Walker? Where do you get the unmitigated balls to call someone like that an Uncle Tom?
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 12:09:54 AM
This is the thing, I know what I am and what I'm not. I don't have to tell you excrement. You made the accusation. The burden of proof is on you.
How is Trump racist? How is supporting him racist? How do you know what racism looks like, as opposed to say Herschel Walker? Where do you get the unmitigated balls to call someone like that an Uncle Tom?
Are you freaking serious? Jesus Christ.
If you don't think Trump is a racist, then you're the biggest duncecap on the internet.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 27, 2020, 12:11:10 AM
Are you freaking serious? Jesus Christ.
If you don't think Trump is a racist, then you're the biggest duncecap on the internet.
You are a caricature.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 12:11:46 AM
You are a caricature.
You're what's wrong with society
Post by: Heismanberg on August 27, 2020, 12:12:31 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 27, 2020, 12:13:52 AM
You're what's wrong with society
mj knows that he's a white supremacist
Nothing. Nothing but overemotional horseshit, and some projection from two clearly flawed human beings.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 12:15:38 AM
Nothing. Nothing but overemotional horseshit, and some projection from two clearly flawed human beings.
Flawed human being? jesus, you really are a nazi.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 12:18:27 AM
Nothing. Nothing but overemotional horseshit, and some projection from two clearly flawed human beings.
When was the last time you asked yourself what your beliefs mean to society writ large?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 27, 2020, 12:45:33 AM
It wasn't too long since we lost a few people due to conversations going too far. And there's no question the toxicity on here has multiplied exponentially since March
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 12:49:18 AM
I genuinely think politics is the worst thing for the health of the board.
It wasn't too long since we lost a few people due to conversations going too far. And there's no question the toxicity on here has multiplied exponentially since March
The value of black lives is not political.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 27, 2020, 01:51:15 AM
The value of black lives is not political.
But everything in the discussion surrounding it is.
You can believe black lives matter, without people cursing each other out insulting each other and all the other stuff.
I'm not even talking about the national overarching political spectrum or BLM movement. I'm talking specifically how toxic and nasty the conversations on this board have gotten.
Some of it is in regards to race, some BLM, some Trump, whatever.
The tone here is changing, and it ain't a good thing.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 27, 2020, 02:26:27 AM
When was the last time you asked yourself what your beliefs mean to society writ large?
Ditto.
But at the same time, you have absolutely no idea besides your own pathetic misconceptions so you can justify the things you say in your mind as to what my beliefs are. None.
Earlier you said something about me being silent about police brutality (despite, again, what I had to say on Floyd, Castille, Eric Garner before them). Did you say anything about Ryan Whitaker, a blatant example of police brutality? Of course you didn't. Are you capable of looking at situations without summarily judging there to be a racial component? Highly, highly doubtful.
The value of black lives is not political.
An example of how you have just no clue. No excrement. Why you feel the need to say this is beyond me except to try and maintain that moral perch you think you're operating from.
But everything in the discussion surrounding it is.
You can believe black lives matter, without people cursing each other out insulting each other and all the other stuff.
I'm not even talking about the national overarching political spectrum or BLM movement. I'm talking specifically how toxic and nasty the conversations on this board have gotten.
Some of it is in regards to race, some BLM, some Trump, whatever.
The tone here is changing, and it ain't a good thing.
For the record, I was goaded in here by name today.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 07:12:57 AM
I genuinely think politics is the worst thing for the health of the board.
It wasn't too long since we lost a few people due to conversations going too far. And there's no question the toxicity on here has multiplied exponentially since March
this may be a first...but i actually agree with dcm here.
Typically, i go out of my way to stay out of the political threads. But when there's nothing else to talk about, i let myself get sucked in. Hell, i even started a Cartoon Themes thread yesterday just to talk about something else where nobody would be at each others' throats.
I absolutely disagree with MJ's views and politics. For the life of me, i don't understand how anyone in a sane frame of mind could support Donald Trump....but i don't want this board to turn into a cesspool, and that's where it's heading.
We built this place to talk sports, titties and have a few laughs.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2020, 08:01:04 AM
We built this place to talk sports, titties and have a few laughs.
Rack Lives Matter(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200827/d0ad98bddbaeed947be0405030e42d41.gif)
Post by: delavan on August 27, 2020, 09:46:34 AM
Rack Lives Matter(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200827/d0ad98bddbaeed947be0405030e42d41.gif)
*golf clap*
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 09:52:53 AM
Rack Lives Matter(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200827/d0ad98bddbaeed947be0405030e42d41.gif)
(https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/thumbnails/comments/Ill+buy+that+for+a+dollar+_6dc66710d8e0d8639e8f5165836c0485.jpg)
Post by: mj2sexay on August 27, 2020, 11:19:14 AM
I absolutely disagree with MJ's views and politics. For the life of me, i don't understand how anyone in a sane frame of mind could support Donald Trump....but i don't want this board to turn into a cesspool, and that's where it's heading.
I have never sought anything in terms of approval, agreement or anything of that nature. Quite the contrary. I don't need nor want you or anyone else to agree with what I'm saying and politics by their very nature invites emotional debate and criticism. If someone isn't prepared for either, then don't get involved.
I have absolutely zero regard and have no problem matching or exceeding a lack of civility when its brought to me. You don't get to call me a nazi, a racist, question whether or not I was capable at a job I took extremely seriously due to the nature and stakes involved without getting similar treatment back.
I treat people in kind. Without namedropping, I can think of four people on this board who equally find my views objectionable, yet it doesn't ever get to any sort of toxic level.
The comments and the order in which they were said are all there. It is what it is.
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2020, 11:22:11 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2020, 11:38:42 AM
Can we at least still call people out for being a couple of pounds over their optimal fighting weight? Because if I can't call a fat freak a fat freak any more, or be called out for also being a fat freak, I don't know what we've become.
You wear white pants.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 27, 2020, 11:41:19 AM
with 624 missing and JFIF taken out by a new STD, am i the only non-fat poster left on this board?
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2020, 11:47:48 AM
how many of you guys are fat/overweight?
with 624 missing and JFIF taken out by a new STD, am i the only non-fat poster left on this board?
I'm not fat, I'm just well prepared for winter hibernation.
I could definitely stand to lose ten pounds though.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 27, 2020, 11:53:33 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2020, 12:09:06 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 27, 2020, 12:10:58 PM
How many "MyPillows" do you own?I lol’ed
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 27, 2020, 12:14:55 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2020, 12:23:22 PM
Badger isn't really fat because he spends all his free time living in the woods and eating berries and mud that he caught himself and cooked over his campfire.
IS isn't really fat, I'm assuming something to do with his advanced years. Probably consumption or dysentery or one of those old person things.
I think everyone else on JO is fat to some degree.
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 12:26:39 PM
how many of you guys are fat/overweight?My dad gut is legendary
with 624 missing and JFIF taken out by a new STD, am i the only non-fat poster left on this board?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 12:28:00 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 27, 2020, 12:29:05 PM
SFD isn't really fat because he's all stretched out.
Badger isn't really fat because he spends all his free time living in the woods and eating berries and mud that he caught himself and cooked over his campfire.
IS isn't really fat, I'm assuming something to do with his advanced years. Probably consumption or dysentery or one of those old person things.
I think everyone else on JO is fat to some degree.
It’s called slim thicc, honey
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2020, 12:32:33 PM
It’s called slim thicc, honey
You mean skinny fat. I started out like that, I'd only put weight on my derriere but it was OK because I could tell people that you need a big hammer to drive home a big nail. Then it started to go on my gut, so I got paranoid and had a midlife crisis and started running marathons, and became not fat at all. Then I quit running and committed to drinking beer full time and now I've got a fat derriere, oversize gut and wobbly funbags.
Worst of all my white jeans don't fit any more.
Post by: insanity on August 27, 2020, 12:33:09 PM
(https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/118172871_5074340939243510_6596522646424179621_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=XYw372M2V0QAX_-qBj_&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&tp=14&oh=10724984bbc02a665988d46c9ce75b3f&oe=5F6DA378)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 27, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
You mean skinny fat. I started out like that, I'd only put weight on my derriere but it was OK because I could tell people that you need a big hammer to drive home a big nail. Then it started to go on my gut, so I got paranoid and had a midlife crisis and started running marathons, and became not fat at all. Then I quit running and committed to drinking beer full time and now I've got a fat derriere, oversize gut and wobbly funbags.
Worst of all my white jeans don't fit any more.
#WhiteJeansTailgate2021
#dcmTailgate2021
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2020, 12:38:48 PM
#WhiteJeansTailgate2021
#dcmTailgate2021
#HeismangTailgate2021 ....... nah, who am I kidding.
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2020, 12:39:16 PM
Saggy boobs are one thing. Wobby funbags? Fat disorientation is serious bidness
Well, they only sag when I'm sitting still. They wobble when I move.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 27, 2020, 12:57:47 PM
This is an interesting juxtaposition
(https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/118172871_5074340939243510_6596522646424179621_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=XYw372M2V0QAX_-qBj_&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&tp=14&oh=10724984bbc02a665988d46c9ce75b3f&oe=5F6DA378)
But only one of them was helping the police!
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 27, 2020, 03:31:16 PM
This thread has pivoted hard.
i had to do it
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 27, 2020, 03:35:06 PM
now for the past few months i've been consistently hitting 3 meals like a normal person, continuing my workouts, and weigh more than i ever have. i'm obviously not arnold level but i've bulked in a somewhat decent manner.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 03:35:07 PM
i had to do it
I wasn’t questioning it.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 27, 2020, 03:40:12 PM
This is an interesting juxtaposition
(https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/118172871_5074340939243510_6596522646424179621_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=XYw372M2V0QAX_-qBj_&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&tp=14&oh=10724984bbc02a665988d46c9ce75b3f&oe=5F6DA378)
i tried to bring up a comparison like this before but it wasn't met kindly.
i love this country but it really is fcked. it weighs heavy on me how black people are both consciously and subconsciously treated/approached differently simply because they're black. it's as plain as day, it happens so often that we hardly even register it at times anymore. i'll be quite honest in saying that even i was thinking about how cops approached this piece of excrement differently than they did black 'perps', and i didn't even think of tamir rice.
there are people today that still refuse to believe this and deny this fact. it's part of the reason why excrement like this continues to propagate
Post by: Johnny English on August 27, 2020, 03:43:31 PM
one of the few good things about the coronavirus pandemic for me is that it made me focus hard on my food intake/cooking. to be quite honest, i lived a life before where i would maybe get 2 meals in a day. it was enough to maintain a somewhat svelte figure, but i wouldn't be focusing on the amount of food i ate at all.
now for the past few months i've been consistently hitting 3 meals like a normal person, continuing my workouts, and weigh more than i ever have. i'm obviously not arnold level but i've bulked in a somewhat decent manner.
I'm gone down to two meals a day - I generally don't eat anything until some time between 12 and 2 - but my booze intake is through the roof.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 03:55:46 PM
i tried to bring up a comparison like this before but it wasn't met kindly.
i love this country but it really is fcked. it weighs heavy on me how black people are both consciously and subconsciously treated/approached differently simply because they're black. it's as plain as day, it happens so often that we hardly even register it at times anymore. i'll be quite honest in saying that even i was thinking about how cops approached this piece of excrement differently than they did black 'perps', and i didn't even think of tamir rice.
there are people today that still refuse to believe this and deny this fact. it's part of the reason why excrement like this continues to propagate
I can think of one more example tied to this guy where the NY Post had posted pictures of Rittenhouse cleaning off graffiti. Anything they can do to the perpetrator of a double homicide look good.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 27, 2020, 06:19:57 PM
how many of you guys are fat/overweight?
with 624 missing and JFIF taken out by a new STD, am i the only non-fat poster left on this board?
Everything went downhill once we let the thread about gainz and bodyfat % die
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
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BREAKING: Kyle Rittenhouse has been charged in Wisconsin.
1st Degree reckless homicide
1st Degree recklessly endangering safety
1st Degree intentional homicide
Attempted 1st Degree intentional homicide
1st Degree recklessly endangering safety
Possession of a dangerous weapon
Source (https://twitter.com/MollyBeck/status/1299117079170289670?s=09)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 27, 2020, 09:03:05 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 27, 2020, 10:47:10 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 10:48:20 PM
Wasn't urclacher a part of a group supposed to buy something? A sports team or league?
The hair plugs have gone and corrupted his brain to the point where he thinks the Mets are a good investment.
Post by: ons on August 27, 2020, 10:58:56 PM
I have absolutely zero regard and have no problem matching or exceeding a lack of civility when its brought to me.
My issue with you has always been that when civility and good-faith arguments are brought up, you either ignore, deflect, or go directly to ad hominem attacks. I genuinely don't understand the principled conservatism you seem to indicate you value with the hot takes on issues/events that you so willfully engage in. Most other posters here feel ideologically consistent, you seem fundamentally hypocritical.
I think everyone else on JO is fat to some degree.
Nah, I'm too Asian to be fat
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 28, 2020, 12:25:07 AM
Source: Gothamist (https://twitter.com/georgejoseph94/status/1297966750265413637?s=21)
Post by: mj2sexay on August 28, 2020, 01:06:10 AM
My issue with you has always been that when civility and good-faith arguments are brought up, you either ignore, deflect, or go directly to ad hominem attacks.
This will be another situation where I'm provided no example after asking for one.
Most other posters here feel ideologically consistent, you seem fundamentally hypocritical.
This will be another situation where I'm provided no example after asking for one.
Post by: MBGreen on August 28, 2020, 10:56:20 AM
@JClipperton_CP
· 11m
First question to the Flyers this morning on Zoom: “Can you forget about all the social issues for a minute and just focus on hockey ... what does delaying the game two days do to momentum you built from the overtime win?”
yeeks!
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 28, 2020, 01:42:41 PM
source (https://twitter.com/noozdude1/status/1299406953731497986?s=09)
Post by: IATA on August 28, 2020, 02:06:58 PM
attorney general refusing to say if the knife was actually in play or, if like all the witnesses say and the video seem to show, there was no knife in his possession at the time
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 28, 2020, 06:15:33 PM
Jake Blake's Felony warrant has been vacated. Cuffs removed from his bed and deputies have left the hospital.
source (https://twitter.com/noozdude1/status/1299406953731497986?s=09)
...because he’s paralyzed, not because he’s innocent.
He broke into the house of the mother of 3 of his children in the middle of the night, sexually assaulted her, stole her debit card and car.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 28, 2020, 06:17:38 PM
uh oh, quickly running out of narratives.
attorney general refusing to say if the knife was actually in play or, if like all the witnesses say and the video seem to show, there was no knife in his possession at the time
Do you even read your own narrative?
“ As more details emerge surrounding the police shooting of Jacob Blake, who remains hospitalized, Wisconsin Attorney General Josh Kaul is refusing to answer questions on whether officers knew beforehand that Blake had a knife.
"We're not commenting on that detail at this point in the investigation. Mr. Blake stated to investigators that he had a knife in his possession and there was one that was found on the driver's side floorboard," Kaul told ABC News' Cecila Vega in an interview Friday on "Good Morning America."
Post by: ons on August 28, 2020, 07:37:27 PM
This will be another situation where I'm provided no example after asking for one.
This will be another situation where I'm provided no example after asking for one.
Here's my post that you never replied to, in which I corrected your poor reading comprehension and provided a brief summary of the reason I think your position is hypocritical:
My point was only that you should care about deadly force utilized by local police departments to subdue suspects, which subverts due process, destroys lives, and tears apart the delicate trust in our institutions of law and governance. I don't think you particularly support the behavior of the police in this instance, but apathy seems like an incredibly hypocritical impulse for anyone who cares about government overreach, the rule of law, or the rights of the accused.
Edit: that being said, I didn't carefully read through all of your other iNsIgHtFuL pOsTs because it got a little tedious, so I might have lost some of the nuance of your thought process.
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2020, 07:46:32 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on August 28, 2020, 08:15:45 PM
Here's my post that you never replied to, in which I corrected your poor reading comprehension and provided a brief summary of the reason I think your position is hypocritical:
No, see I asked for arguments made in good faith. JE has one that I haven't answered yet in the COVID thread (I'll get to it), but this wasn't about actually making a point, you're just angry your shitty post was ignored.
I didn't ask for examples of nonsensical, condescending lectures about what I should or shouldn't care about that actually offer nothing in the way of an argument or substantive statement worth responding too.
As for my position being hypocritical, that's fine and that'd be ok if the criticism was limited to my position being hypocritical.
This is what you decided to say instead;
you seem fundamentally hypocritical.
So since you decided to call me "fundamentally hypocritical" out of nothing but probably still being angry because I called Liz Warren "Lieawatha" (and no I'm not perusing months of pages to go back and find the repeated examples of you idiotically rushing to her defense as if I was doing anything but making fun of a liar getting embarrassed by a blatant lie) let me make this perfectly clear;
I do not owe said nonsensical, condescending lectures about what I should or shouldn't care about that actually offer nothing in the way of an argument or substantive statement any sort of response whatsoever, especially idiotic comments that suggest that I'm a hypocrite because I don't consider government overreach to include cops using force to subdue a suspect wanted on a freaking rape charge that already fought them and by all appearances is going for a knife.
Post by: ons on August 28, 2020, 09:09:18 PM
No, see I asked for arguments made in good faith.
I'm sorry, you're asking for an argument made in good faith? Is that what you call engaging with absurd name-calling over the past several pages in this thread?
Regardless, here's my good faith argument: I genuinely don't understand how you're okay with this type of use of force when there are other ways in which people can be subdued in law enforcement settings. Justifying and normalizing bullets in a suspect's back serves to harm the rights of anyone charged with a crime. And you, of all people on this board, should be operating under the assumption that any citizen ought to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. Legally and morally, why should a suspect of a crime be treated differently than any other citizen? I would love to see a good faith conservative argument that justifies this type of force being used on any citizen. For our democracy to function, there needs to be a criminal justice system that the vast majority of people have faith in.
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So since you decided to call me "fundamentally hypocritical" out of nothing but probably still being angry because I called Liz Warren "Lieawatha" (and no I'm not perusing months of pages to go back and find the repeated examples of you idiotically rushing to her defense as if I was doing anything but making fun of a liar getting embarrassed by a blatant lie)For emphasis, you seem fundamentally hypocritical to me. Again, please read carefully.
I genuinely don't remember ever caring enough much about Warren, although it seems like I struck some sort of nerve with you at some point. I pretty much only ever post while drinking, so I also don't remember any specific posts about the subject, I guess I apologize if I... I don't even know what I would have posted about her that you'd possibly care about or remember... Regardless, that is the type of bizarre distraction that also strikes me as hypocritical. What does Warren or JE/coronavirus have anything to do with this? How is this a "argument made in good faith"?
Post by: mj2sexay on August 28, 2020, 11:12:36 PM
I'm sorry, you're asking for an argument made in good faith? Is that what you call engaging with absurd name-calling over the past several pages in this thread?
Lol, honestly get the freak off off my johnson with this bullshit. All you do is play grand moral arbiter specifically towards one person, it's bizarre.
I said this before. The posts are all there. To act as though I'm not being responsive, or I'm the only person engaging in that kind of behavior either means you lack any sort of reading comprehension, or your selective outrage is selective.
I'm sorry, you're asking for an argument made in good faith? Is that what you call engaging with absurd name-calling over the past several pages in this thread?
Regardless, here's my good faith argument: I genuinely don't understand how you're okay with this type of use of force when there are other ways in which people can be subdued in law enforcement settings. Justifying and normalizing bullets in a suspect's back serves to harm the rights of anyone charged with a crime. And you, of all people on this board, should be operating under the assumption that any citizen ought to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. Legally and morally, why should a suspect of a crime be treated differently than any other citizen? I would love to see a good faith conservative argument that justifies this type of force being used on any citizen. For our democracy to function, there needs to be a criminal justice system that the vast majority of people have faith in.
For emphasis, you seem fundamentally hypocritical to me. Again, please read carefully.
I have already explained how I am ok with this use of force. Several caveats that in my estimation entitle the use of force have been met. You asking how you don't understand as opposed to trying to pick apart an argument I've already laid out is either intentionally obtuse, or a lack of reading comprehension. Of course you've accused me of that twice which is rich.
I don't have to make a "good faith conservative argument on this type of force being used on any citizen." It shouldn't be used on "any" citizen. The idea that you would equate this situation with just any citizen is absurd, if not completely dishonest.
But when you fight the cops and then go for what by all accounts appear to be a knife in your car while they have guns on you and are telling you not to move, you take your life in your own hands and one of the consequences is that you absolutely could get shot. This isn't hard.
Some choose to empathize with the guy who had open warrants for sexual assault fighting the cops and going for the knife. If that cop was my friend or family, I want them to do what they feel is necessary to remain intact.
Don't fight cops and go for a knife in the aftermath, I don't really know what else to tell you.
What it is about this situation or the "victim" that absolves him of any culpability? Why is that not part of the conversation?
Further more, why this situation? Again, Ryan Whitaker is such a more obvious example of police brutality, but as I said before selective outrage is selective.
Post by: IATA on August 29, 2020, 12:35:50 AM
. All you do is play grand moral arbiter
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Post by: Badger on August 29, 2020, 07:30:10 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 29, 2020, 08:03:38 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1299864570484457474?s=19
Cool. So what are they going to actually do?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 29, 2020, 08:08:01 PM
Cool. So what are they going to actually do?A video
Post by: delavan on August 29, 2020, 08:10:55 PM
Cool. So what are they going to actually do?
Respectfully, they already have
(i.e. even if post-George Floyd/Jacob Blake et al)
.
Post by: Johnny English on August 29, 2020, 08:21:43 PM
Respectfully, they already have
(i.e. even if post-George Floyd/Jacob Blake et al)
.
Sure, but that was posted an hour ago. Chris Johnson says that they "took the day to discuss ways that they can effect change in [their] community", and that they're going "turn these words into actions". I am 100% supportive of these sentiments. I would like to know if that's all it is, or if they're actually going to follow through. The elephant in this particular room is Woody.
Post by: MBGreen on August 29, 2020, 09:22:56 PM
Sure, but that was posted an hour ago. Chris Johnson says that they "took the day to discuss ways that they can effect change in [their] community", and that they're going "turn these words into actions". I am 100% supportive of these sentiments. I would like to know if that's all it is, or if they're actually going to follow through. The elephant in this particular room is Woody.I’m sure someone brought donuts
Post by: delavan on August 29, 2020, 09:43:50 PM
Sure, but that was posted an hour ago. Chris Johnson says that they "took the day to discuss ways that they can effect change in [their] community", and that they're going "turn these words into actions". I am 100% supportive of these sentiments. I would like to know if that's all it is, or if they're actually going to follow through. The elephant in this particular room is Woody.We're on the same side of the fence when the (Johnson Bros.) frustration comes into play, i.e. Woody=jerk; Chris=not so much...at the same time..this smh shlt just in...
https://twitter.com/SLMPD/status/1299847533125140480
I’m sure someone brought donuts
Jim Schoenfeld to Don Koharski
Post by: Badger on August 29, 2020, 10:12:21 PM
Cool. So what are they going to actually do?Upset fragile snowflakes
Post by: Johnny English on August 29, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
Upset fragile snowflakesWhich is for sure an amusing and worthwhile exercise, but not particularly helpful in and of itself.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 29, 2020, 10:33:01 PM
Post by: Badger on August 29, 2020, 11:39:16 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 30, 2020, 09:15:07 AM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1299943118528184320?s=21
Post by: bojanglesman on August 30, 2020, 09:27:24 AM
Post by: MBGreen on August 30, 2020, 09:28:09 AM
A chud is a disgusting person, right? I had to look it up. I though it was something related to fishing.
I took a chud after my morning coffee. #Febreez
Post by: bojanglesman on August 30, 2020, 09:30:24 AM
I took a chud after my morning coffee. #FebreezIt does sound like that. I think the Hawaiian febreez can may not have made it in the move last year. RIP tropical dumps.
Post by: Badger on August 30, 2020, 12:42:50 PM
A chud is a disgusting person, right? I had to look it up. I though it was something related to fishing.It's a pejorative for a right winger, think of the social media sunglasses reply guy
Were you thinking of chum?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200830/deadc57d2c9e0e437e22ff1eeb154355.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on August 30, 2020, 01:00:10 PM
It's a pejorative for a right winger, think of the social media sunglasses reply guyYes, chum.
Were you thinking of chum?
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 01, 2020, 08:43:32 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 04, 2020, 07:43:50 AM
https://twitter.com/indictpotus45/status/1299953593101905921?s=21
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1299943118528184320?s=21
https://twitter.com/vicenews/status/1301740079941996544?s=21
Post by: Heismanberg on September 04, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
lmao
Whitlock is such garbage
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 04, 2020, 09:28:40 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 04, 2020, 09:50:15 AM
I will not be watching a 14 minute video of Jason Whitlock talking about anything.
I didn't either.
Post by: Badger on September 04, 2020, 10:05:44 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 04, 2020, 11:20:09 AM
https://twitter.com/rafaelshimunov/status/1301246843502964738?s=19
Big Gangs of New York energy.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 04, 2020, 07:40:29 PM
Hate his take on Curtis Martin, otherwise fantastic talent.
Post by: Badger on September 04, 2020, 10:33:57 PM
Mildly surprised Whitlock wasn't called an Uncle Tom.
Hate his take on Curtis Martin, otherwise fantastic talent.
lol
I wouldn't even call the sports media people I like talented let alone that troll
Post by: ons on September 05, 2020, 12:07:19 AM
Don't fight cops and go for a knife in the aftermath, I don't really know what else to tell you.
It's odd that in this country at this time, where there totally isn't a widely circulated video of three police officers holding a black man down by kneeling on his neck until he's dead, a black man might attempt to resist being held down by three police officers and try to get away.
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What it is about this situation or the "victim" that absolves him of any culpability? Why is that not part of the conversation?
I mean, it seems like materially part of the conversation - in fact it's literally seemed like the focal point of the conversation? At what point is the victim responsible for being shot in the back, and at what point is it the shooter's responsibility? You believe that these government employees, under the rule of law that they are hired to enforce, are in the right to shoot to kill a man who they are there to arrest, after he tries to get away from them. I've now more carefully read your posts, it still seems innately hypocritical and bizarre coming from a conservative public defense lawyer, but there are certainly more absurd things going on in the world.
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Further more, why this situation? Again, Ryan Whitaker is such a more obvious example of police brutality, but as I said before selective outrage is selective.
I don't speak for anyone else here, but for me, the outrage is one in the same, and is a persistent outrage. It's difficult for me to understand the shooting of James Blake in a context in which the killing of Ryan Whitaker, or Daniel Shaver, for that matter, doesn't exist - the inherent fear that so many black people have of heavily armed and poorly trained police officers exists in part because they know that the police can and will kill any individual at a minuscule provocation and is why so many black men act desperately and irrationally when confronted by police. I understand that you don't believe systemic racism to impact the policing of black communities (and I'd happily be corrected on that front), but for many black men, they perceive their blackness to be enough of a provocation that some police officers will use deadly violence regardless of what they do. And the parsing of which of these black men deserved to be shot by law enforcement officials reinforces that dangerous narrative.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 05, 2020, 01:16:15 AM
It's odd that in this country at this time, where there totally isn't a widely circulated video of three police officers holding a black man down by kneeling on his neck until he's dead, a black man might attempt to resist being held down by three police officers and try to get away.
I mean, it seems like materially part of the conversation - in fact it's literally seemed like the focal point of the conversation? At what point is the victim responsible for being shot in the back, and at what point is it the shooter's responsibility? You believe that these government employees, under the rule of law that they are hired to enforce, are in the right to shoot to kill a man who they are there to arrest, after he tries to get away from them. I've now more carefully read your posts, it still seems innately hypocritical and bizarre coming from a conservative public defense lawyer, but there are certainly more absurd things going on in the world.
I don't speak for anyone else here, but for me, the outrage is one in the same, and is a persistent outrage. It's difficult for me to understand the shooting of James Blake in a context in which the killing of Ryan Whitaker, or Daniel Shaver, for that matter, doesn't exist - the inherent fear that so many black people have of heavily armed and poorly trained police officers exists in part because they know that the police can and will kill any individual at a minuscule provocation and is why so many black men act desperately and irrationally when confronted by police. I understand that you don't believe systemic racism to impact the policing of black communities (and I'd happily be corrected on that front), but for many black men, they perceive their blackness to be enough of a provocation that some police officers will use deadly violence regardless of what they do. And the parsing of which of these black men deserved to be shot by law enforcement officials reinforces that dangerous narrative.
I don't want this to come off like I'm denying systemic racism, or that people who are killed by the police deserve it. Because I'm not saying those things at all, nor do I want to get into a whole debate on race.
But considering the amount of people killed by the police each year, or even the amount of black people killed by police each year. Aren't these fears completely and entirely irrational?
I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't be outraged by the police or want police reform, as the police are clearly inept morons in many cases.
But the number of black people killed annually by police is literally in the hundreds, not even thousands. In a country of several hundred million people. This means statistically you have something like a 99.9999% chance of not being killed by a police officer during an interaction with a police officer, even as a black man.
The amount of ALL races killed by police officers annually in the United States is only 5 times that of the amount of people killed by deer.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 05, 2020, 09:33:14 AM
I don't want this to come off like I'm denying systemic racism
So you thought about this and still posted that block of retardation?
Post by: bojanglesman on September 05, 2020, 09:35:45 AM
I don't want this to come off like I'm denying systemic racism, or that people who are killed by the police deserve it. Because I'm not saying those things at all, nor do I want to get into a whole debate on race.
But considering the amount of people killed by the police each year, or even the amount of black people killed by police each year. Aren't these fears completely and entirely irrational?
I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't be outraged by the police or want police reform, as the police are clearly inept morons in many cases.
But the number of black people killed annually by police is literally in the hundreds, not even thousands. In a country of several hundred million people. This means statistically you have something like a 99.9999% chance of not being killed by a police officer during an interaction with a police officer, even as a black man.
The amount of ALL races killed by police officers annually in the United States is only 5 times that of the amount of people killed by deer.
I'm not going to pretend I understand something I haven't experienced.
Post by: ons on September 05, 2020, 10:48:11 AM
But considering the amount of people killed by the police each year, or even the amount of black people killed by police each year. Aren't these fears completely and entirely irrational?
Two general points:
Fear isn't usually rational, which is why narrative is important.
Dying is not the only outcome that people are afraid of, there is the perception is that the criminal justice system from bottom up treats black men like they are inherently more dangerous and more disposable than any other demographic.
Post by: delavan on September 05, 2020, 03:57:35 PM
I don't want this to come off like I'm denying systemic racism, or that people who are killed by the police deserve it. Because I'm not saying those things at all, nor do I want to get into a whole debate on race.
But considering the amount of people killed by the police each year, or even the amount of black people killed by police each year.
Aren't these fears completely and entirely irrational?
I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't be outraged by the police or want police reform, as the police are clearly inept morons in many cases.
But the number of black people killed annually by police is literally in the hundreds, not even thousands.
In a country of several hundred million people. This means statistically you have something like a 99.9999% chance of not being killed by a police officer during an interaction with a police officer, even as a black man.
The amount of ALL races killed by police officers annually in the United States is only 5 times that of the amount of people killed by deer.
Completely? Entirely? As in absolutely? Me thinks no.
Is "several hundred million people" the denominator that should be used here?
That aside, let's say some psycho indignant (white) Karen spits in a cop's face during an encounter vs. e.g. a back individual. Do both walk away alive 99.9999% of the time?
Back to Kenosha: (even after not having enough 'sack' to control a man with a 3-cops-on-1 advantage) so what if Jacob Blake did pull out a knife from his car? Brings to mind the phrase "don't bring a knife to a gun fight" at which point there still was no need to bring it to a head by plugging the guy let alone 7 times.
Worse case scenario: Blake drives off with kids in the car - getting into a car chase with kids onboard would be the last thing you'd want. Cops already know who Blake is and could've arrested him later, 'at their convenience' (beginning by sending over real cops and not a bunch of chickenshlt Barney Fifes). Obviously there are (gun-carrying) cops who bring a prejudiced "they're thugs" mindset into play en route to answering a call which puts certain people on thinner ice to begin with.
Post by: Badger on September 08, 2020, 05:27:02 PM
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Elliott’s son, Isaiah, was later suspended for five days and now has a record with the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office and a mark on his school disciplinary paperwork saying he brought a “facsimile of a firearm to school” — even though he was in his own home doing a virtual class. The “gun” was obviously a toy, painted black and green with “Zombie Hunter” on the side.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 08, 2020, 05:41:30 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/08/black-student-suspended-police-toy-gun/
hahahahaha
Post by: Heismanberg on September 08, 2020, 05:42:10 PM
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2020, 09:05:30 PM
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"Antifa is, if you go to their website, their materials, they are directly traceable to the Communist Party because their goal is the overthrow of the United States government and to bring communism into America," Bachmann said. "Just like Black Lives Matter, this is not a new movement, either. On their website, these are transgender Marxists, transgender Black Marxists who are seeking the overthrow of the United States and the dissolution of the traditional family."
Bachmann anticipated criticism of her theory.
"You say, 'Aren't you a little overheated? Isn't this melodramatic?'" Bachmann said. "This is exactly what a communist revolution looks like. They think they're going to do it by electing Joe Biden and then once Joe Biden is elected, they think that these Davos, Switzerland, meetings that go on, they think that what they're going to do is have the United States' economy collapse, move to a digital currency globally, and then we move into a global-type government. I mean, it's bizarre, but this is their goal."
The former lawmaker said none of this should come as a surprise to Christians who have been awaiting the apocalypse.
"For people who know their Bible, this is exactly what the prophets told us," Bachmann said. "So, we stand on the word of God, the Bible, and we say, 'Satan, flee, we're going to stand on the truth of God,' and so that's why now more than ever, between now and the election, what we need to do is pray and cry out to Almighty God and ask for his protection over America and to speak in this election."
Those are certainly all words
Post by: IATA on September 09, 2020, 09:08:29 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 09, 2020, 09:18:49 PM
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2020, 09:25:22 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 10, 2020, 05:59:29 PM
This is excellent.
Koz just donated to his local sheriff's department after watching this.
Post by: Johnny English on September 11, 2020, 08:12:53 AM
https://twitter.com/RealJayWilliams/status/1304186433054420992?s=20
This is excellent.
Koz just donated to his local sheriff's department after watching this.
So if there are no fans in a stadium, and the teams elect not to come out for the anthems (why are there two, BTW?), and they don't get shown on TV broadcasts, are they just going to perform them for the enjoyment of the performers?
We basically have a modern day equivalent of the Berkeley perception experiment: if an anthem is performed to an empty stadium with no one there to hear it, was it ever really performed at all?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 11, 2020, 08:18:40 AM
why are there two, BTW?)
The NFL's response to the kneeling during the National Anthem is to play a second, Black anthem called "Lift Every Voice and Sing"
"THEY CAN'T KNEEL FOR THIS ONE!"
Post by: bojanglesman on September 11, 2020, 09:12:22 AM
/hottake
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 12, 2020, 09:34:53 PM
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2020, 10:48:41 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 05:26:07 AM
Turns out the talking points haven't changed in half a century (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200913/e88a93a31709b84cdb87d9d02669f6c2.jpg)That's bullshit. He went to Marxist school.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 11:03:50 AM
anti-racist 'lectures' are divisive only when the thought of black people being treated more equally irks you. you can dress it any way you'd like but that's literally all it comes down to
No it isn't. When you've treated people well, and vice versa, for 50+ years of your life it gets tiring to constantly be preached to by people who don't know me from a hole in the wall. Most people are not racist, some are always going to be, it's a human flaw in some people, like stupidity. You're not going to "fix" it with bullshit commercials and posturing during a football game.
If you work in a place with 200 people and 2 of them are stupid and freaking up all the time, do you need to sit through a meeting every week and be lectured how "we all need to do better"? No, you don't. Deal with the 2, leave the rest of us alone, we're doing fine and have been for a long time.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 11:07:00 AM
No it isn't. When you've treated people well, and vice versa, for 50+ years of your life it gets tiring to constantly be preached to by people who don't know me from a hole in the wall. Most people are not racist, some are always going to be, it's a human flaw in some people, like stupidity. You're not going to "fix" it with bullshit commercials and posturing during a football game.
If you work in a place with 200 people and 2 of them are stupid and freaking up all the time, do you need to sit through a meeting every week and be lectured how "we all need to do better"? No, you don't. Deal with the 2, leave the rest of us alone, we're doing fine and have been for a long time.
Nope
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 11:09:20 AM
Nope
Speak for yourself.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2020, 11:15:21 AM
Speak for yourself.So is your take that white people are doing fine and have been for a long time?
Maybe the black community isn't doing fine? And maybe that's why they're upset? And maybe that's why they're protesting because there's a large segment of the country who thinks "We're doing fine and have been for a long time" when there is a large segment of society that disagrees with that?
Just a thought.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 11:21:51 AM
Speak for yourself.
Seems like if two idiots were screwing things up hard enough for management to constantly lecture the whole company, the better plan might be for coworkers of the two idiots to help correct the problem instead of complaining that the two idiots' problems are constantly talked about.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 11:37:38 AM
So is your take that white people are doing fine and have been for a long time?
Maybe the black community isn't doing fine? And maybe that's why they're upset? And maybe that's why they're protesting because there's a large segment of the country who thinks "We're doing fine and have been for a long time" when there is a large segment of society that disagrees with that?
Just a thought.
My take is that our country has been doing fine for a long time, black and white. We've made tremendous progress just during my lifetime, which spans from the late 60s to now. Life in America is what you make it, there are successful black people, white people, and unsuccessful people of all walks of life. This constant harping on race and separating people into little groups is what we've spent 50 years getting away from.
This thread is a perfect example. I've got a black guv here implying that I'm a racist because he doesn't like my opinion, who has never met me in his life. So that's enough to pee me off, creating a division that wasn't previously there. That's what this constant nagging does to people who aren't guilty of anything.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 11:39:04 AM
My take is that our country has been doing fine for a long time, black and white. We've made tremendous progress just during my lifetime, which spans from the late 60s to now. Life in America is what you make it, there are successful black people, white people, and unsuccessful people of all walks of life. This constant harping on race and separating people into little groups is what we've spend 50 years getting away from.
This thread is a perfect example. I've got a black guv here implying that I'm a racist because he doesn't like my opinion, who has never met me in his life. So that's enough to pee me off, creating a division that wasn't previously there. That's what this constant nagging does to people who aren't guilty of anything.
Who is this?
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 11:40:28 AM
Seems like if two idiots were screwing things up hard enough for management to constantly lecture the whole company, the better plan might be for coworkers of the two idiots to help correct the problem instead of complaining that the two idiots' problems are constantly talked about.
In a company you just get rid of the people. In society you can't just get rid of them, but you don't hold everyone accountable because a small handful are stupid, racist or whatever. So my example was flawed, but hopefully you get the point. If our whole country was racist you wouldn't have had a black president, or black police chiefs, elected officials, celebrities, etc. It's a false narrative being used to divide people.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2020, 11:44:15 AM
My take is that our country has been doing fine for a long time, black and white. We've made tremendous progress just during my lifetime, which spans from the late 60s to now. Life in America is what you make it, there are successful black people, white people, and unsuccessful people of all walks of life. This constant harping on race and separating people into little groups is what we've spend 50 years getting away from.No doubt we've made tremendous progress from the 1960's. That doesn't mean we're where we should be.
This thread is a perfect example. I've got a black guv here implying that I'm a racist because he doesn't like my opinion, who has never met me in his life. So that's enough to pee me off, creating a division that wasn't previously there. That's what this constant nagging does to people who aren't guilty of anything.
It's a nice narrative to say "There was slavery in the 1800's, then we fought a war to get rid of it, then there was still racism in the 1960's, then we got rid of it, and now everything is great!" But that doesn't mean it's true.
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This constant harping on race and separating people into little groups is what we've spend 50 years getting away from.No. We've spent 50 years trying to get to a point where the world is equal for people of all walks of life. This line complaining about "constant harping on race" could have easily been said in the 1960's.
"Why are black people complaining about race, the war ended 100 years ago?" "Why are black people complaining about race, MLK fixed everything 50 years ago?" Maybe because things aren't fixed as neatly as you want them to be?
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 11:45:17 AM
In a company you just get rid of the people. In society you can't just get rid of them, but you don't hold everyone accountable because a small handful are stupid, racist or whatever. So my example was flawed, but hopefully you get the point. If our whole country was racist you wouldn't have had a black president, or black police chiefs, elected officials, celebrities, etc. It's a false narrative being used to divide people.
You seem to fail to grasp a lot of the points being made.
Holding people accountable for awful behavior is exactly what a society should do. Letting racism go just because you are not the one practicing it is pretty much as bad as endorsing it. Actually working to end racism will help it die faster than complaining about hearing about it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 11:45:36 AM
Ladies, I thought we weren't doing this in Jets threads. Please.
Walking away.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 11:49:08 AM
Ladies, I thought we weren't doing this in Jets threads. Please.
If someone is going to imply to me that I'm a freaking racist I'm going to answer. I don't come here for this because I know a lot of you guys and you're good guys, but if this is how the conversation goes then it goes. So ban me or move the thread or whatever.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 11:55:44 AM
No doubt we've made tremendous progress from the 1960's. That doesn't mean we're where we should be.
It's a nice narrative to say "There was slavery in the 1800's, then we fought a war to get rid of it, then there was still racism in the 1960's, then we got rid of it, and now everything is great!" But that doesn't mean it's true.
No. We've spent 50 years trying to get to a point where the world is equal for people of all walks of life. This line complaining about "constant harping on race" could have easily been said in the 1960's.
"Why are black people complaining about race, the war ended 100 years ago?" "Why are black people complaining about race, MLK fixed everything 50 years ago?" Maybe because things aren't fixed as neatly as you want them to be?
What you fail to mention is HOW we've made that progress. People got mad when I mentioned MLK the last time, but my generation grew up with his words on the walls of our schools and that's how we were taught. The content of one's character and not the color of one's skin. It helped me personally to grow up in sports in a large metropolitan area, but as a whole my generation didn't grow up obsessing on race like young people are doing now. Focusing on the individual, and treating people as individuals is how we made things better. Smarter, more ambitious people rose to the top regardless of their color.
There's a middle ground between ignoring real racism and using it to push a false narrative to advance a political agenda.
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2020, 12:00:12 PM
Ladies, I thought we weren't doing this in Jets threads. Please.Obama picked Biden to appease racist Dems
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 12:10:13 PM
Obama picked Biden to appease racist Dems
Obama saw political capital in being a victim, correctly, it worked, and he made race a bigger issue than it had been in years. Over time that festered and got worse. To me that was the most disappointing thing about him. As much as I'm not with his politics I was happy when he won, it was a great moment for our country. On top of the fact that McCain wouldn't have been any better and I was thrilled when Obama came along and beat Hillary. I knew I wouldn't like his policies but I thought he would really bring us more together, especially since he's half white and half black. Seemed perfect, a missed opportunity in my opinion.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 12:19:13 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 12:21:29 PM
IS: /posts long, incoherent diatribe on race in very same thread.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 12:27:05 PM
JE: Stop posting about race in Jets threads
IS: /posts long, incoherent diatribe on race in very same thread.
My posts are only long or incoherent if you can't read or you're stupid. You don't have to like what I say but at least I speak in proper sentences.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 12:27:32 PM
JE: Stop posting about race in Jets threads
IS: /posts long, incoherent diatribe on race in very same thread.
I moved all those posts to here. Janitorial duties my specialty.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 12:28:31 PM
I moved all those posts to here. Janitorial duties my specialty.
Appreciate that.
Post by: IATA on September 14, 2020, 01:19:27 PM
Obama saw political capital in being a victim, correctly, it worked, and he made race a bigger issue than it had been in years.
elaborate
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 01:40:35 PM
elaborate
He made libs hate Trump by pretending to not be born in America.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 02:30:09 PM
elaborate
He and the left took the strategy that if you disagreed with his policies, it must be because the president is black and you're a racist. It's a great way to suppress opposition and put your opponents on the defensive politically, but over the years it brought race back as a more divisive issue than it had been for decades. And again it's irritating to people who had no problem with his race but didn't like his policies.
He also was quick to criticize the police and stoke racial division in numerous cases during his presidency. By the time the facts ever came out the damage had been done, cities burned, cops shot. That excrement wasn't happening on that scale going back to the 60s, with the brief exception of 1992 in the wake of the Rodney King verdict.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 02:32:41 PM
He and the left took the strategy that if you disagreed with his policies, it must be because the president is black and you're a racist.
Man, I must've missed this.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 02:34:56 PM
Man, I must've missed this.
You must have.
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 03:05:58 PM
He and the left took the strategy that if you disagreed with his policies, it must be because the president is black and you're a racist. It's a great way to suppress opposition and put your opponents on the defensive politically, but over the years it brought race back as a more divisive issue than it had been for decades. And again it's irritating to people who had no problem with his race but didn't like his policies.
He also was quick to criticize the police and stoke racial division in numerous cases during his presidency. By the time the facts ever came out the damage had been done, cities burned, cops shot. That excrement wasn't happening on that scale going back to the 60s, with the brief exception of 1992 in the wake of the Rodney King verdict.
excrement wasn't happening going back to the 60s? wat
Post by: IATA on September 14, 2020, 03:17:52 PM
He and the left took the strategy that if you disagreed with his policies, it must be because the president is black and you're a racist. It's a great way to suppress opposition and put your opponents on the defensive politically, but over the years it brought race back as a more divisive issue than it had been for decades. And again it's irritating to people who had no problem with his race but didn't like his policies.
He also was quick to criticize the police and stoke racial division in numerous cases during his presidency. By the time the facts ever came out the damage had been done, cities burned, cops shot. That excrement wasn't happening on that scale going back to the 60s, with the brief exception of 1992 in the wake of the Rodney King verdict.
can you provide any proof of any of this? because honestly it reads like some of the same talking points i've heard alex jones bring up
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 03:19:44 PM
can you provide any proof of any of this? because honestly it reads like some of the same talking points i've heard alex jones bring up
Barack's knee killed George Floyd
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 03:36:02 PM
can you provide any proof of any of this? because honestly it reads like some of the same talking points i've heard alex jones bring up
If you care enough you could dig up some of the political rhetoric that was going on in 2010, when people were against Obamacare, for example, you'll find plenty of proof. The Tea Party was protesting policy, peacefully, I might add, no fires, John Lewis (I believe) falsely claimed he was called the N-word, a million people taking video and it never happened. Because why debate policy when you can dismiss the other side as illegitimate?
Barack's knee killed George Floyd
The fact that we can list by name the black victims of police violence dating back about ten years tells you they are not being "hunted" or randomly shot in large numbers. If that was the case there would be much better martyrs than a drug addict, a rapist with a warrant, a guy robbing a store, trying to take a cop's gun and a guy bashing someone's head on the sidewalk. Most black people, like most people, mind their own business and don't get in physical confrontations with the police, therefore they don't get shot. White people who confront the police also get shot, but they don't get memorialized with state funerals, giant murals and burning down CVS, nor should they.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 03:47:09 PM
The fact that we can list by name the black victims of police violence dating back about ten years tells you they are not being "hunted" or randomly shot in large numbers.
This is such a disgusting opinion. You really think that just because we can name a few by name that they are the only ones?
And just because black people aren't being murdered by police on camera doesn't mean that many others aren't subject to constant, uncalled for harassment.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 03:51:41 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 05:50:25 PM
This is such a disgusting opinion. You really think that just because we can name a few by name that they are the only ones?
And just because black people aren't being murdered by police on camera doesn't mean that many others aren't subject to constant, uncalled for harassment.
I'm saying it happens infrequently enough that when it does happen the victim becomes a nationally known name. It happens infrequently enough that people like Jussie Smollett and Bubba Wallace end up fabricating hate crimes, because they know the media will jump all over it. That's not a "disgusting opinion", that's the facts.
I'm not saying that a mistrust in the police by black people is totally unjustified. Not going to pretend I understand it completely, but people I know well and whose opinions I respect feel that way. I have friends who still think the cops set up OJ, and these are smart, educated guys. I don't get it personally, but I respect where they're coming from, has to be something to it.
There are a handful of bad cops anywhere, and they harass white people, too, and Spanish people, etc. But preaching to the entire nation about "systemic racism" and "we all have to be better" isn't going to fix that. Neither is taking away their resources and leaving a lot of black neighborhoods without police to protect the elderly, kids and women. Neither is causing black police chiefs to quit their jobs, how does that help black people? Or end "systemic racism"?
The police aren't literally hunting black people, but that's what Obama told us!
That's what LeBron told you. He's against oppression here, in China it's all good though. He also lives in a mansion and I'd guess has private security.
Post by: IATA on September 14, 2020, 06:00:04 PM
If you care enough you could dig up
thats not what i asked. can you provide me proof of your claims? i remember glenn becks 912 project garbage, and i remember obama speaking out on racial issues, which i understand make fragile middle aged white men quiver. i recall right leaning news sites like breitbart offering rewards and continuing to complain about the Lewis incident for literally months and months, despite his only proof being a video from well after lewis said it happened.
so again i ask, please provide proof of your claims because it still all reads like bullshit
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2020, 06:01:41 PM
Who is this?Me.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 06:03:45 PM
thats not what i asked. can you provide me proof of your claims? i remember glenn becks 912 project garbage, and i remember obama speaking out on racial issues, which i understand make fragile middle aged white men quiver. i recall right leaning news sites like breitbart offering rewards and continuing to complain about the Lewis incident for literally months and months, despite his only proof being a video from well after lewis said it happened.
so again i ask, please provide proof of your claims because it still all reads like bullshit
I'm not doing your homework for you. Go on YouTube and pull up any political arguments from the early Obama years. Andrew Breitbart offered a cash reward for anyone who could produce any evidence in that large crowd and there was none because it was bullshit.
I knew socialism wouldn't work, it fails every time, but I had hope for Obama as a cultural, unifying figure in our history.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 06:04:39 PM
Me.
Went from ashy to classy!
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2020, 06:11:05 PM
Went from ashy to classy!Marcy Projects! Marcy Son!
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 06:16:23 PM
Post by: IATA on September 14, 2020, 06:16:25 PM
I'm not doing your homework for you. Go on YouTube and pull up any political arguments from the early Obama years. Andrew Breitbart offered a cash reward for anyone who could produce any evidence in that large crowd and there was none because it was bullshit.
I knew socialism wouldn't work, it fails every time, but I had hope for Obama as a cultural, unifying figure in our history.
andrew breitbarts only evidence against it was a video shot an hour after the incident and the people denying it happened. thats not evidence. youve got numerous senators who confirmed it happened, but instead youll take the word of the people protesting against him. thats almost as pathetic as you are
im not at all surprised you refuse to defend any of your positions. thats 100% what i expected from you
Post by: IATA on September 14, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
Lol at IS asking for someone else to look up proof of his own batshit arguments.
LOOK AT YOUTUBE VIDEOS OF HIM TALKING ABOUT BEING BLACK. HOW DARE HE.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 14, 2020, 06:47:27 PM
can you provide any proof of any of this? because honestly it reads like some of the same talking points i've heard alex jones bring up
Were you in a coma during 2008-16 or do you legitimately not remember the idiotic rhetoric utilized by Obama at the worst possible times (lecturing the country on gun control and wypipo during a supposed eulogy for five fallen police officers murdered by a domestic terrorist who professed alignment with BLM being one example of hundreds more that I'd provide if you were actually approaching this in good faith.)
This is such a disgusting opinion.
Lol. The pearl clutching!
The police aren't literally hunting black people
They aren't, glad we agree.
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2020, 06:56:25 PM
Post by: IATA on September 14, 2020, 06:57:46 PM
hmmm
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2020, 07:22:26 PM
lmao wait people still think Obama is socialist?
That freaking commie wanted to give healthcare to everyone, even...poor people
Post by: ons on September 14, 2020, 08:40:41 PM
I knew socialism wouldn't work, it fails every time, but I had hope for Obama as a cultural, unifying figure in our history.
I'm sorry, what does socialism mean to you?
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 16, 2020, 04:56:00 PM
Were you in a coma during 2008-16 or do you legitimately not remember the idiotic rhetoric utilized by Obama at the worst possible times (lecturing the country on gun control and wypipo during a supposed eulogy for five fallen police officers murdered by a domestic terrorist who professed alignment with BLM being one example of hundreds more that I'd provide if you were actually approaching this in good faith.)
How about inserting himself into the Trayvon Martin case before the facts were known? Saying "if I had a son he would look like Trayvon", while the media showed a picture of Trayvon at 12 and doctored the 911 calls. It went on that way for a year before the televised court case when the lawyers demonstrated how Martin was a bigger man than Zimmerman and bashing his head into the sidewalk.
Or the Michael Brown case where "hands up don't shoot" turned out to be complete horseshit, and Obama's own DOJ found no wrongdoing on the part of the cops. Incidents like that, spurred on by Obama, brought us from a good place towards where we've gone since.
Ladies, I thought we weren't doing this in Jets threads. Please.
Funny how it's universally agreed upon here that we don't want this in the Jets forum, when my whole point is it's not helpful during a Jets game.
This whole concept of "systemic racism" is 50-100 years out of date. We've had black people in the highest levels of our system--President, Supreme Court, Attorney General, mayors of large cities, prosecutors, DAs, police chiefs. That's great, that's what we want, but then how did it happen if the system is racist? And why didn't those people fix it if it existed? And if they didn't, what am I supposed to do about it during a Jets game because some sideline chick wants to pontificate about "justice"? Please.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 16, 2020, 06:46:04 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on September 16, 2020, 07:07:16 PM
Watching IS and MJ jerk each other off in the thread is the worst gay porn I have ever seen.
Ffs, but do you have just zero self-awareness at all?
Post by: ons on September 16, 2020, 08:11:23 PM
This whole concept of "systemic racism" is 50-100 years out of date. We've had black people in the highest levels of our system--President, Supreme Court, Attorney General, mayors of large cities, prosecutors, DAs, police chiefs. That's great, that's what we want, but then how did it happen if the system is racist? And why didn't those people fix it if it existed? And if they didn't, what am I supposed to do about it during a Jets game because some sideline chick wants to pontificate about "justice"? Please.
Black people were systematically kept out of housing markets for a century following the end of slavery. Federal programs such as the WPA systematically and intentionally built neighborhoods to be segregated as a matter of explicit policy. This led to vast inequalities in the ways white and black families accumulated wealth. Furthermore, black neighborhoods tended to be more dense, less green, with fewer white collar jobs and more pollution. This led to the development of violent inner cities, with less economic mobility and a sense that the system had failed them compounded by more overcrowded classrooms. This was normal throughout the latter half of the 20th century. This leads to systemic poverty over the course of generations, even as public policy has become more equitable. Systemic poverty is a form of systemic racism.
These segregated cities have in turn led to less integration between white and black people, and a sense of 'othering' on both sides. This furthers implicit bias - people, including cops, including lawmakers, including black people themselves - implicitly tend to believe white people more, and think that black people are more violent. Implicit bias is unavoidable in a world with billions of people and millions of subgroups and divisions - it's a way that humans process large batches of information, and without the neurology of categorizing we would all be lost all the time. But the very denial of those biases is itself a form of systemic racism.
The fact that black people succeed in this society is not evidence of a lack of systemic racism until they succeed, proportionally, at roughly the same level as white people. In 2016, the median white family was $154,000 wealthier than the median black family. (https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/the-economic-impact-of-closing-the-racial-wealth-gap)
If not for systemic racism, what accounts for that kind of number? Would your explanation be that black people are inherently worse at making money? Or do the systems that have existed in this country allow easier access for white people to have wealth?
Last but not least, 'the war on drugs' has systematically led to more black people being convicted of crimes than white people. I grew up in a mostly black neighborhood in Brooklyn. I knew, by the time I was 14, a significant number of teenagers on my block who had already been arrested for possession with intent to distribute, mostly from random 'stop and frisk' incidents. On the other hand, my high school was mostly white and Asian. People there passed around pot and pills with more frequency than I ever saw in my neighborhood. My high school class sent 47% of its graduates to Ivy league schools, including multiple kids who were caught with drugs on school grounds. This was in the 2000s, and was overt systemic racism.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 16, 2020, 09:28:09 PM
Ffs, but do you have just zero self-awareness at all?
I feel like I'm giving your posts the responses they deserve but please, finish your thought.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 18, 2020, 02:52:26 PM
How about inserting himself into the Trayvon Martin case before the facts were known? Saying "if I had a son he would look like Trayvon", while the media showed a picture of Trayvon at 12 and doctored the 911 calls. It went on that way for a year before the televised court case when the lawyers demonstrated how Martin was a bigger man than Zimmerman and bashing his head into the sidewalk.
So you're on Zimmerman's side?
big woof
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 19, 2020, 08:55:04 AM
trayvon martin was absolutely bigger than george zimmerman. zimmerman outweighed trayvon martin by 100 pounds. adds up.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 19, 2020, 08:57:50 AM
there is literally no pointing talking to him about this excrement anymore.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 19, 2020, 09:21:46 AM
trayvon martin was absolutely bigger than george zimmerman. zimmerman outweighed trayvon martin by 100 pounds. adds up.
Trayvon's dick was bigger
Post by: mj2sexay on September 19, 2020, 09:38:06 AM
I feel like I'm giving your posts the responses they deserve but please, finish your thought.
No need. The idea that you're going to accuse others of engaging in a circle jerk when its the same five douchebags who descend onto the heretic and act positively outraged when their worldview is challenged is hilarious.
not surprised to see IS stand up for george zimmerman being an absolute pvssy rather than admit that targeted profiling and systemic racism against blacks is an actual thing.
there is literally no pointing talking to him about this excrement anymore.
Lol let me understand this.
George Zimmerman, a hispanic layperson proves that there's systemic racism with white cops against blacks? Ok.
Reminder that for every Trayvon Martin situation where it isn't black and white as to what happened, or for even more clear cut incidents of flat out murder like Philando Castille that people STILL parrot the "hands up dont shoot lie' and act as though Ferguson was anything but a cop defending himself from a combative suspect going for his gun.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 19, 2020, 10:03:42 AM
Lol let me understand this.
George Zimmerman, a hispanic layperson proves that there's systemic racism with white cops against blacks? Ok.
you are literally trying to understand/make sense of something that i did not say nor was even the point of what i was trying to make. kind of dumbfounded how you jumped from me stating that IS would rather stand up for a guy like george zimmerman than admit that blacks in this country face an extreme amount of racism and profiling to me saying 'george zimmerman proves that there's systemic racism with white cops against blacks'.
not sure how those dots connected in your head when you tried to make that discrediting post but it's kind of a shocking extrapolation. do what you gotta do though
Post by: mj2sexay on September 19, 2020, 10:05:11 AM
you are literally trying to understand/make sense of something that i did not say nor was even the point of what i was trying to make. kind of dumbfounded how you jumped from me stating that IS would rather stand up for a guy like george zimmerman than admit that blacks in this country face an extreme amount of racism and profiling to me saying 'george zimmerman proves that there's systemic racism with white cops against blacks'.
not sure how those dots connected in your head when you tried to make that discrediting post but it's kind of a shocking extrapolation. do what you gotta do though
Yeah, how could I possibly extrapolate that from this sentence.
not surprised to see IS stand up for george zimmerman being an absolute pvssy rather than admit that targeted profiling and systemic racism against blacks is an actual thing.
Post by: Johnny English on September 19, 2020, 10:14:13 AM
George Zimmerman, a hispanic layperson proves that there's systemic racism with white cops against blacks? Ok.
Not that swordz needs me to argue his points for him, but "system racism" does not automatically resolve to "cops" each time.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 19, 2020, 10:23:48 AM
Not that swordz needs me to argue his points for him, but "system racism" does not automatically resolve to "cops" each time.
...George Zimmerman was spanish.
Let me guess now, when a spanish or asian person decides to commit harm against someone who's black, that's just an extension of white supremacy?
Absurd argument of course except its actually been made by blue check twitter douchebags and leftist academics.
Post by: Johnny English on September 19, 2020, 10:27:04 AM
...George Zimmerman was spanish.
Let me guess now, when a spanish or asian person decides to commit harm against someone who's black, that's just an extension of white supremacy?
Absurd argument of course except its actually been made by blue check twitter douchebags and leftist academics.
It might be an absurd argument, but it's not one that anyone here appears to be making.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 19, 2020, 11:08:59 AM
Giving the guy who stalked a 14 year old after being told not to and then shot him the benefit of the doubt is a direct result of that devaluation.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 19, 2020, 11:12:21 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 19, 2020, 11:12:38 AM
Systematic racism devalues black lives.
Giving the guy who stalked a 14 year old after being told not to and then shot him the benefit of the doubt is a direct result of that devaluation.
Thank you
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 19, 2020, 11:15:18 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on September 19, 2020, 12:30:45 PM
Cue the "actions have consequences" retort in support of a guy who stalked a 14 year old who was not committing any crime and then shot said 14 year old who was defending himself against a freaking stalker.
Cue putting words in my mouth when I've never once defended George Zimmerman or said anything on the subject of record aside from that he was overcharged if they wanted a conviction.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 19, 2020, 06:11:19 PM
Was George Zimmerman really Spanish or is he just tan?
Spanish people can be racist as excrement, most especially against black people, but that isn’t relevant to this conversation
Post by: Badger on September 21, 2020, 09:09:58 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 12:42:36 PM
So you're on Zimmerman's side?
big woof
I didn't take any side, just pointing out that the facts which came out a year later were vastly different than what was portrayed in the media. Having the sitting president weigh in like he did before they were known was not helpful to race relations in our country. Same with the Michael Brown case, but excrement's all burned down before anyone finds out what led to someone being shot and then it's too late.
not surprised to see IS stand up for george zimmerman being an absolute pvssy rather than admit that targeted profiling and systemic racism against blacks is an actual thing.
there is literally no pointing talking to him about this excrement anymore.
Again, I didn't take anyone's side, the facts are what they are. Zimmerman put himself in that position by playing cop, Trayvon set himself up to be shot by physically attacking a guy with a gun, so did Michael Brown.
You guys like to read things into my comments that aren't there. If you have a gun and someone is trying to take it from you or bash your head into the ground, I kind of think the race of the individual is not a primary concern in that moment.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2020, 12:48:22 PM
I didn't take any side, just pointing out that the facts which came out a year later were vastly different than what was portrayed in the media.
The facts?
Zimmerman literally stalked him down the street, attempted to jump him without cause, and then got his derriere kicked. Those are the facts.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 12:54:57 PM
Black people were systematically kept out of housing markets for a century following the end of slavery. Federal programs such as the WPA systematically and intentionally built neighborhoods to be segregated as a matter of explicit policy. This led to vast inequalities in the ways white and black families accumulated wealth. Furthermore, black neighborhoods tended to be more dense, less green, with fewer white collar jobs and more pollution. This led to the development of violent inner cities, with less economic mobility and a sense that the system had failed them compounded by more overcrowded classrooms. This was normal throughout the latter half of the 20th century. This leads to systemic poverty over the course of generations, even as public policy has become more equitable. Systemic poverty is a form of systemic racism.
These segregated cities have in turn led to less integration between white and black people, and a sense of 'othering' on both sides. This furthers implicit bias - people, including cops, including lawmakers, including black people themselves - implicitly tend to believe white people more, and think that black people are more violent. Implicit bias is unavoidable in a world with billions of people and millions of subgroups and divisions - it's a way that humans process large batches of information, and without the neurology of categorizing we would all be lost all the time. But the very denial of those biases is itself a form of systemic racism.
The fact that black people succeed in this society is not evidence of a lack of systemic racism until they succeed, proportionally, at roughly the same level as white people. In 2016, the median white family was $154,000 wealthier than the median black family. (https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/the-economic-impact-of-closing-the-racial-wealth-gap)
If not for systemic racism, what accounts for that kind of number? Would your explanation be that black people are inherently worse at making money? Or do the systems that have existed in this country allow easier access for white people to have wealth?
Last but not least, 'the war on drugs' has systematically led to more black people being convicted of crimes than white people. I grew up in a mostly black neighborhood in Brooklyn. I knew, by the time I was 14, a significant number of teenagers on my block who had already been arrested for possession with intent to distribute, mostly from random 'stop and frisk' incidents. On the other hand, my high school was mostly white and Asian. People there passed around pot and pills with more frequency than I ever saw in my neighborhood. My high school class sent 47% of its graduates to Ivy league schools, including multiple kids who were caught with drugs on school grounds. This was in the 2000s, and was overt systemic racism.
I was referring primarily to the legal system, thus my examples of DA, prosecutors, etc, because that's what the conversation was. Obviously if you go back to the end of slavery you'll find all kinds of racism throughout our country, but that doesn't mean things aren't getting better over time.
Specifically I point to the progress we've made in the past generation because it concerns me to see young people taking it backwards. Things got better by not focusing on someone's race and promoting individualism. Going back to demonizing people based on race, whether it was black people in the past or white people now, that breeds resentment, creates division and isn't helpful to anyone.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 12:59:40 PM
The facts?
Zimmerman literally stalked him down the street, attempted to jump him without cause, and then got his derriere kicked. Those are the facts.
Zimmerman stalked him, likely profiling him by race, can't remember if they knew each other or not. If I remember right he called the real cops and Trayvon jumped him, which resulted in the shooting.
I'm not here to stick up for Zimmerman, my point was the media and the president jumped in to polarize it before the facts were known. NBC literally edited the 911 call and the media purposely ran with an outdated picture of Martin to create the narrative and cause a racial divide. That's to be expected of the media but disappointing on the part of Obama, in my opinion.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 22, 2020, 01:04:31 PM
trayvon committed no crimes that night. are you really here saying he deserved to die because he beat up a guy who was accosting him for no reason in the middle of the night who had a gun?
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 01:10:34 PM
he called the cops who told him not to pursue trayvon but he did anyways, and trayvon ended up dead.
trayvon committed no crimes that night. are you really here saying he deserved to die because he beat up a guy who was accosting him for no reason in the middle of the night who had a gun?
Did I say that? No, I didn't.
I said if you attack a guy with a gun, justified or not, you risk getting shot, regardless of your color. I also said the media and the president stoked racial tensions, when this was a case of one guy being an poopchute and another taking a stupid chance.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 22, 2020, 01:21:09 PM
i don't know.....kind of looks like....you're doing all you can to defend zimmerman's actions while belittling the life and the death of an innocent black teen who'd done no crime that night. we get it. you're not racist. you actually value black lives, more so than anybody here does. we get it
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 01:41:29 PM
all you've been doing is defending zimmerman saying it was media spin to make his killing of an innocent black teen look bad/look racial while justifying it by saying that trayvon was actually bigger than zimmerman who, again, was 100+ pounds bigger than trayvon and like 13 years older than him, and an adult, and calling trayvon dumb for defending himself against a guy who was following him in the middle of the night for no reason because he should have known he had a gun, that he should have known would be used against him even if he had committed no crime lol.
i don't know.....kind of looks like....you're doing all you can to defend zimmerman's actions while belittling the life and the death of an innocent black teen who'd done no crime that night. we get it. you're not racist. you actually value black lives, more so than anybody here does. we get it
You're putting words in my mouth, I'm not belittling anyone. I'm saying a 17 year old kid made a bad judgement in jumping a guy who had a gun. Young people do stupid things, doesn't mean I think he deserved to die, doesn't make me a racist to point out that a kid who is black made a dumb move. He did, sorry, it got him killed.
Zimmerman was a grown man playing cop and messing with a kid that was none of his business, no problem with him getting his derriere kicked. That said, even if you deserve to get your derriere kicked, if you have a gun on you and someone is beating your head into a sidewalk, you're likely going to shoot the guy.
All that aside, my bringing it up is about the media and the president stoking racial division and skewing the facts to create a victim narrative. Zimmerman was not an authority figure and not part of any system. He was one poopchute who may or may not have been a racist. But why the need to doctor the 911 call if you're NBC and the actual facts give you the race narrative that you're looking for? Why insert yourself if you're the president and you don't know what happened? The assumption we all had from the media was Trayvon as a 12 year old, until the court case when the lawyers had the cutouts showing the size of each guy. So that amount of misinformation for that amount of time contributed greatly to the decline in race relations, in my opinion. Once incident between two guys.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2020, 01:57:45 PM
I said if you attack a guy with a gun, justified or not, you risk getting shot, regardless of your color.
He didn't attack Zimmerman. He was defending himself.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 01:59:07 PM
He didn't attack Zimmerman. He was defending himself.
Possibly. Again, I'm not trying to re-litigate that, my point is about the toxic polarization from the media and the president, and how detrimental it was.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2020, 02:00:19 PM
Possibly.
No, not possibly. Definitely.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 02:04:08 PM
I didn't take any side...
Again, I didn't take anyone's side, the facts are what they are. Zimmerman put himself in that position by playing cop...
Zimmerman stalked him, likely profiling him by race...
I'm not here to stick up for Zimmerman...
all you've been doing is defending zimmerman saying it was media spin
I get the feeling you're seeing what you want to see and not getting where I'm coming from.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2020, 05:06:43 PM
This sounds promising
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 22, 2020, 05:11:44 PM
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/police-cancel-vacations-prepare-for-breonna-taylor-decision/2628611/?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand
This sounds promising
I expect to see a lot of fires in Louisville if they announce no charges.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 05:12:52 PM
I expect to see a lot of fires in Louisville if they announce no charges.
That will accomplish a lot.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2020, 05:14:01 PM
That will accomplish a lot.
This kind of attitude is part of the reason why the goddamn fires are being started in the first place.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 05:29:06 PM
This kind of attitude is part of the reason why the goddamn fires are being started in the first place.
So you're pro fire? Seriously, who does that help? Hasn't it been mostly black neighborhoods and businesses getting burned down in a lot of cities? I'm not even trying to start another argument, I just don't get how rational people support this.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2020, 05:33:26 PM
So you're pro fire? Seriously, who does that help?
No, I'm not pro-fire or pro-violence, but I understand why it's happening.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 22, 2020, 05:34:51 PM
So you're pro fire? Seriously, who does that help? Hasn't it been mostly black neighborhoods and businesses getting burned down in a lot of cities? I'm not even trying to start another argument, I just don't get how rational people support this.
No one here is pro fire.
Completely dismissing the anger of the black community over having black people murdered by the COPS is what started the protests. Continuing that dismissal is what leads to escalation in anger from the protestors.
You should be able to connect the dots on this one without someone explaining it to you.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 05:36:08 PM
No, I'm not pro-fire or pro-violence, but I understand why it's happening.
I understand why it's happening too, I just think destroying people's stuff who didn't do anything makes everything worse. Also, it seems odd to me that in a lot of cases it's been educated, flabby white people causing a lot of the violence in black neighborhoods.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 05:37:20 PM
No one here is pro fire.
Completely dismissing the anger of the black community over having black people murdered by the COPS is what started the protests. Continuing that dismissal is what leads to escalation in anger from the protestors.
You should be able to connect the dots on this one without someone explaining it to you.
I'm not dismissing anything, I said fires won't accomplish anything and I'm right. Not really going out on a limb there.
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2020, 05:39:29 PM
I understand why it's happening too, I just think destroying people's stuff who didn't do anything makes everything worse.
What else do you propose the black community does when they are continually mistreated by the police and the justice system? Politely wave placards? Run for political office? Become POTUS? Because they've done all of those things and none of them seem to have worked.
White people are the majority and white people are the system and white people are the problem. You and I aren't killing black people and we aren't refusing to charge their killers and we aren't doing any of the other things that are direct problems, but we are benefiting from systems that were set up to benefit us and black communities are trying to draw our attention to that, because we are the ones who can fix it.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2020, 05:40:18 PM
Become POTUS?
Don't you remember? Seafood gave them Obama
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 22, 2020, 05:41:34 PM
Also, here is why it's frustrating to talk about this stuff with you guys:
I get the feeling you're seeing what you want to see and not getting where I'm coming from.
you're continually stating that martin attacked him as the aggressor and claiming it to be fact. this is blatantly false and now indefensible after martin was murdered but you willingly choose to believe this is how things went to fit the narrative you would like to believe. you do not see this. you made a claim that martin was bigger than zimmerman to defend zimmerman's actions which is of course anything but fact, but keep claiming that you're stating the facts. i'm not going to break down the rest of your posts but they're all filled with your own takes of martin, assuming the worst of him and in a negative light, while claiming you're just here reporting facts. but i'm the one seeing what i want to see.
if i happen to have a gun on me and pick a fight with someone for no reason only to end up getting my derriere kicked, is it morally just of me to then shoot and kill that person? is that a morally just occurrence? are you really defending this?
i'd be lying if i said i couldn't believe that you're minimizing what happened to martin as a 'dumb kid who did something dumb and ended up paying the price for it' while doing all you can to absolve and give a POS like zimmerman the benefit of the doubt for needlessly taking the life of somebody who had done nothing but buy some candy. but i CAN believe it; you've only ever been interested in your own incorrect views and perspective on things, even going so far as completely dismissing an entire life's worth of a black person's viewpoints and experiences simply because you choose not to believe such things exist.
we're seeing what you want to see, we get where you're coming from, you're not seeing or getting where you're coming from.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 22, 2020, 05:42:01 PM
What else do you propose the black community does when they are continually mistreated by the police and the justice system? Politely wave placards? Run for political office? Become POTUS? Because they've done all of those things and none of them seem to have worked.
there is no point in talking about any of that stuff, it doesn't exist in his mind. there is no point in talking about it
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 05:44:35 PM
What else do you propose the black community does when they are continually mistreated by the police and the justice system? Politely wave placards? Run for political office? Become POTUS? Because they've done all of those things and none of them seem to have worked.
White people are the majority and white people are the system and white people are the problem. You and I aren't killing black people and we aren't refusing to charge their killers and we aren't doing any of the other things that are direct problems, but we are benefiting from systems that were set up to benefit us and black communities are trying to draw our attention to that, because we are the ones who can fix it.
Again, there are and have been black people in the highest positions of power throughout our legal system, government, police forces, etc. Sorry, not buying that, you talk like it's 80s South Africa, it isn't. Burning down businesses or removing police doesn't help anything.
Don't you remember? Seafood gave them Obama
You're welcome.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 22, 2020, 05:48:55 PM
Don't you remember? Seafood gave them Obama
i remember reading that and chose not to say anything but even that statement spoke volumes to a dileanation of power that IS just has no idea exists, or doesn't want to believe exists.
what does a statement like 'we gave you guys Obama' mean? who gave us Obama? would black people have any issues voting for an intelligent, well-spoken black candidate who had done enough in his career to merit a presidential candidacy? he implicitly admitted that the power to allow such things to occur laid directly in the hands of the white people that ended up voting for obama, or it otherwise wouldn't have been possible. but the thought of any sort of racial power structure in america is something that he blatantly refuses to believe in
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 05:52:06 PM
you're continually stating that martin attacked him as the aggressor and claiming it to be fact. this is blatantly false and now indefensible after martin was murdered but you willingly choose to believe this is how things went to fit the narrative you would like to believe. you do not see this. you made a claim that martin was bigger than zimmerman to defend zimmerman's actions which is of course anything but fact, but keep claiming that you're stating the facts. i'm not going to break down the rest of your posts but they're all filled with your own takes of martin, assuming the worst of him and in a negative light, while claiming you're just here reporting facts. but i'm the one seeing what i want to see.
if i happen to have a gun on me and pick a fight with someone for no reason only to end up getting my derriere kicked, is it morally just of me to then shoot and kill that person? is that a morally just occurrence? are you really defending this?
i'd be lying if i said i couldn't believe that you're minimizing what happened to martin as a 'dumb kid who did something dumb and ended up paying the price for it' while doing all you can to absolve and give a POS like zimmerman the benefit of the doubt for needlessly taking the life of somebody who had done nothing but buy some candy. but i CAN believe it; you've only ever been interested in your own incorrect views and perspective on things, even going so far as completely dismissing an entire life's worth of a black person's viewpoints and experiences simply because you choose not to believe such things exist.
we're seeing what you want to see, we get where you're coming from, you're not seeing or getting where you're coming from.
It's almost like you haven't read a thing I've said, because you're continuing with your own narrative here. I didn't say any of that, it's all in the text, read it. Because you seem to care, I will now summarize for you in bullet points:
-Not defending Zimmerman
-Not blaming Martin
-Not interested in re-litigating who started the altercation
My whole reason for bringing up the case was that Obama and the media made an altercation between two people into a huge, divisive racial issue. Big enough that you and I are here discussing it eight years later, and it may or may not have had anything to do with race in the first place.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2020, 05:54:50 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 22, 2020, 05:59:59 PM
It's almost like you haven't read a thing I've said, because you're continuing with your own narrative here. I didn't say any of that, it's all in the text, read it. Because you seem to care, I will now summarize for you in bullet points:
-Not defending Zimmerman
-Not blaming Martin
-Not interested in re-litigating who started the altercation
My whole reason for bringing up the case was that Obama and the media made an altercation between two people into a huge, divisive racial issue. Big enough that you and I are here discussing it eight years later, and it may or may not have had anything to do with race in the first place.
i'm going to ignore that you typed out those 3 bullet points because you've literally done the opposite of what you wrote after the 3 bullet points
you don't think a guy thinking that a tall black male wearing a hood walking around the neighborhood at night calling into the police that he thinks the hooded black male is on drugs or up to no good........has anything to do with race?
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 06:00:41 PM
i remember reading that and chose not to say anything but even that statement spoke volumes to a dileanation of power that IS just has no idea exists, or doesn't want to believe exists.
what does a statement like 'we gave you guys Obama' mean? who gave us Obama? would black people have any issues voting for an intelligent, well-spoken black candidate who had done enough in his career to merit a presidential candidacy? he implicitly admitted that the power to allow such things to occur laid directly in the hands of the white people that ended up voting for obama, or it otherwise wouldn't have been possible. but the thought of any sort of racial power structure in america is something that he blatantly refuses to believe in
Before we get off track on this one, that is Heismanberg, I never said "we gave you Obama", just like I never said "COVID is a hoax". But you guys sit here all day repeating this stuff until it becomes fact in your own minds.
My generation is one that helped get us from the Civil Rights era to Obama, by not obsessing on race, that's what I said. It wasn't power in the hands of white people, it was a nation more interested in what a person can do rather than what color they are. That created a culture where the best person could win, regardless of race.
Young people now are preoccupied with race and taking us back in the wrong direction, is also what I said. I mean argue with me all you want but at least get the excrement I'm saying right.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 06:04:34 PM
i'm going to ignore that you typed out those 3 bullet points because you've literally done the opposite of what you wrote after the 3 bullet points
you don't think a guy thinking that a tall black male wearing a hood walking around the neighborhood at night calling into the police that he thinks the hooded black male is on drugs or up to no good........has anything to do with race?
It might, I'm not inside the guy's head. Not going to pretend I remember all the details either, they might have known each other before that, they lived in the same neighborhood, I believe. I'm not jumping to that conclusion nor dismissing it, not even anything to do with my point.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2020, 06:31:20 PM
If I’m wrong, my bad.
(Update: I'm not wrong)
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2020, 06:34:43 PM
We did. Fact. Whether you liked him or not isn't the point.
Keep setting the world back, guys, you're doing great. We took you from MLK to a black US president and you're bringing us back to segregation and race riots with your bullshit. So woke.
lmaoooooo
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 22, 2020, 06:44:10 PM
lmaoooooo
are you sure you're not just seeing things the way you want to see them? stop putting words in his mouth
Post by: mj2sexay on September 22, 2020, 06:57:24 PM
white people are the problem.
lmao
Post by: ons on September 22, 2020, 09:09:28 PM
Specifically I point to the progress we've made in the past generation because it concerns me to see young people taking it backwards. Things got better by not focusing on someone's race and promoting individualism. Going back to demonizing people based on race, whether it was black people in the past or white people now, that breeds resentment, creates division and isn't helpful to anyone.
I understand where you're coming from. You're right, if a black person does everything right and go above and beyond, they can 'make it' in this country. The problem is, a white person 'makes it' in this country a lot more often and a lot easier than any given black person. There has been progress, but too many people see that progress and say, "yeah, the problem's solved, racism is over." Which is what it sounds like you're saying.
Young protesters are saying, there is still a problem. Black lives are treated as disposable by both police officers and the criminal justice system at large way too often. And whereas they are held accountable to every time they commit a petty crime, their killers, like George Zimmerman, are not held accountable. They are angry because the system is still failing them and killing them, and saying that their anger is unjustified just amplifies that anger.
By denying the legitimacy of their protests, you yourself are perpetuating the system and the attitudes that they are angry about, and furthering the conflict.
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2020, 09:53:53 PM
lmao
I mean sure, if we want to play the "quote five words of one post and see how much fun we can have with it" game that's a thing, but context matters.
Post by: delavan on September 23, 2020, 03:49:09 AM
...and it may or may not have had anything to do with race in the first place.
IS, do you think in your heart of hearts Zimmerman would've accosted caucasian you out of the blue that evening?
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2020, 12:38:58 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 23, 2020, 12:47:40 PM
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LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — Louisville mayor announces 9 p.m. to 6:30 a.m. curfew ahead of grand jury report on Breonna Taylor's death.
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BREAKING: Kentucky National Guard activated one hour before Breonna Taylor announcement
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 23, 2020, 12:52:40 PM
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A grand jury has indicted Brett Hankison in three counts of wanton endangerment in the #BreonnaTaylor case.
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Myles Cosgrove and Johnathan Mattingly were not indicted by a grand jury in the #BreonnaTaylor case.
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And if I understand correctly, these charges of wanton endangerment against Hankison were not related to Breonna Taylor’s death, but rather his blindly firing into neighboring apartments.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 23, 2020, 01:04:51 PM
Post by: IATA on September 23, 2020, 03:16:50 PM
welp, kiss louisville goodbye, good riddance
Post by: Heismanberg on September 23, 2020, 03:17:48 PM
welp, kiss louisville goodbye, good riddance
I just hope we don't see a bunch of Kyle Rittenhouse-esque turds walking through the streets too
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2020, 03:26:47 PM
I just hope we don't see a bunch of Kyle Rittenhouse-esque turds walking through the streets too
https://twitter.com/ChadKMills/status/1308831863977504772?s=19
Post by: Heismanberg on September 23, 2020, 03:27:38 PM
https://twitter.com/ChadKMills/status/1308831863977504772?s=19
god dammit
Post by: bojanglesman on September 23, 2020, 03:33:40 PM
https://twitter.com/ChadKMills/status/1308831863977504772?s=19Fatback in the middle looks winded. He's not gonna survive pretend army.
Post by: Johnny English on September 23, 2020, 03:35:57 PM
Fatback in the middle looks winded. He's not gonna survive pretend army.
Meal Team Six
Post by: Heismanberg on September 23, 2020, 03:38:03 PM
Meal Team Six
good one
Post by: Johnny English on September 23, 2020, 03:40:09 PM
good one
Not mine. The other one I saw was Gravy Seals.
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2020, 03:40:51 PM
Fatback in the middle looks winded. He's not gonna survive pretend army.
"I shot that anteefer cause he was eyein' my MRE"
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 23, 2020, 05:33:37 PM
lmaoooooo
"We" being the older generation, not white people.
IS, do you think in your heart of hearts Zimmerman would've accosted caucasian you out of the blue that evening?
No idea. Still don't remember if the two knew each other or not, they lived in the same neighborhood. If so, it could have been a personal dislike rather than a judgement based on race. It could have been about race, some things are, but not everything is.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 23, 2020, 05:36:02 PM
I’m pretty sure you said that you gave us Obama and MLK Day.
If I’m wrong, my bad.
(Update: I'm not wrong)
See above, you're wrong. To me this is a generational thing, not a race thing. Look at these rioters, they're largely white, young college kids. Today they're taking supplies out of a U-Haul, clearly they are being funded and set up.
This isn't the LA riots when a truly black uprising happened because of the verdict in the Rodney King case. This is a left wing funded, coordinated movement roving around the country looking for their next case to jump on.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 23, 2020, 05:37:38 PM
"I shot that anteefer cause he was eyein' my MRE"
How you liking NYC these days? Say hi to a bum for me.
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2020, 05:39:35 PM
How you liking NYC these days? Say hi to a bum for me.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200923/f6a5a095e22f817b844e2f1b9ec41573.jpg)
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 23, 2020, 05:45:01 PM
I understand where you're coming from. You're right, if a black person does everything right and go above and beyond, they can 'make it' in this country. The problem is, a white person 'makes it' in this country a lot more often and a lot easier than any given black person. There has been progress, but too many people see that progress and say, "yeah, the problem's solved, racism is over." Which is what it sounds like you're saying.
Nobody is saying that. Racism is a human flaw like stupidity, it's never "over". We largely had moved past it as a mainstream culture until recent years. Show me the race riots of the 80s, 90s (except briefly in 92) or 2000s. They weren't there.
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Young protesters are saying, there is still a problem.
Whatever problem there is, they are making it worse.
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Black lives are treated as disposable by both police officers and the criminal justice system at large way too often. And whereas they are held accountable to every time they commit a petty crime, their killers, like George Zimmerman, are not held accountable. They are angry because the system is still failing them and killing them, and saying that their anger is unjustified just amplifies that anger.
By denying the legitimacy of their protests, you yourself are perpetuating the system and the attitudes that they are angry about, and furthering the conflict.
Every case has it's own set of facts. This Louisville case, the facts that came out today again don't seem to match what we are told. Statistically there is nothing to indicate the black lives are treated any worse than any other lives by the police. When every single incident becomes a national story and a huge riot, we can paint that picture, doesn't make it true.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 23, 2020, 05:45:31 PM
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Fooling nobody.
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2020, 05:47:53 PM
Fooling nobody.It's literally from the NYPD
Why do you hate cops?
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 23, 2020, 05:48:53 PM
I'd expect that kind of rhetoric from someone from Santa Claus, IN not someone who lives in NY Jr.
Because I know better, I grew up by 70s and 80s NYC. If the police step back and don't arrest people, the numbers of arrests go down, but actual crime goes up.
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2020, 05:58:32 PM
Because I know better, I grew up by 70s and 80s NYC. If the police step back and don't arrest people, the numbers of arrests go down, but actual crime goes up.
Like how crime rates are highest among populations most heavily targeted by police, good observation.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 23, 2020, 06:32:16 PM
This is a left wing funded
LMAO
I'm done arguing with the guy that listens to NFL games on the freaking radio in 2020.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 23, 2020, 06:49:08 PM
LMAO
I'm done arguing with the guy that listens to NFL games on the freaking radio in 2020.
Haha I was driving. Who is funding the supplies then?
And we're no longer worried about COVID when there's riots to be had, right? Just keeping all the bullshit straight.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 23, 2020, 09:52:27 PM
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Breaking @LMPD Interim Chief confirms 2-officers shot - undergoing treatment. One - alert and stable. The other in surgery. One suspect in custody. #BreonnaTaylor #Louisville
Post by: ons on September 23, 2020, 09:59:30 PM
Whatever problem there is, they are making it worse.
Every case has it's own set of facts. This Louisville case, the facts that came out today again don't seem to match what we are told.
The problem is people like Breonna Taylor get killed and people like you imply it might have been justified because of some "facts" that you don't care to elaborate on, and her killers were legally not culpable. The system justified and protected the killing of an innocent woman in her own home - how would you go about changing the system so this doesn't happen? Or are you okay with it happening?
Post by: mj2sexay on September 23, 2020, 10:12:01 PM
The problem is people like Breonna Taylor get killed and people like you imply it might have been justified because of some "facts" that you don't care to elaborate on, and her killers were legally not culpable. The system justified and protected the killing of an innocent woman in her own home - how would you go about changing the system so this doesn't happen? Or are you okay with it happening?
Why on earth would you put facts in quotes when the simple fact even regarding a no-knock warrant in this case (which fwiw I'm staunchly opposed) was apparently a lie?
Where is the indignation for those who created and upheld this narrative?
Post by: IATA on September 24, 2020, 10:55:37 AM
Why on earth would you put facts in quotes when the simple fact even regarding a no-knock warrant in this case (which fwiw I'm staunchly opposed) was apparently a lie?
Where is the indignation for those who created and upheld this narrative?
a lie? theres the word of the people investigating themselves and 1 witness.
theres numerous witnesses who state the exact opposite, as well as the discrepancy regarding cameras that they claim werent equipped, but pictures prove were.
Post by: ons on September 24, 2020, 11:58:10 AM
Why on earth would you put facts in quotes when the simple fact even regarding a no-knock warrant in this case (which fwiw I'm staunchly opposed) was apparently a lie?
Because I have no idea which specific facts IS was referencing, and the NYT reported on August 30th that the officers who shot her were operating under a knock-and-announce order (although they did have a no-knock warrant, they were directed not to operate under the no-knock warrant). I didn't see any facts released yesterday that were new to me.
Regardless of whether they did knock and announce, or how loud/audible their announcements were, they still battered down the door of innocent civilians in the middle of the night and engaged in a firefight that ended with one of those innocent people dead.
I understand why they're not being indicted. I also understand why there are violent protests. Personally, I lay the responsibility on the system that allows for this to happen, because this entire situation could happen in Louisville again tomorrow, and it would still be legal with no-knock warrants banned.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 24, 2020, 02:39:33 PM
Because I have no idea which specific facts IS was referencing, and the NYT reported on August 30th that the officers who shot her were operating under a knock-and-announce order (although they did have a no-knock warrant, they were directed not to operate under the no-knock warrant). I didn't see any facts released yesterday that were new to me.
Regardless of whether they did knock and announce, or how loud/audible their announcements were, they still battered down the door of innocent civilians in the middle of the night and engaged in a firefight that ended with one of those innocent people dead.
I understand why they're not being indicted. I also understand why there are violent protests. Personally, I lay the responsibility on the system that allows for this to happen, because this entire situation could happen in Louisville again tomorrow, and it would still be legal with no-knock warrants banned.
According to the Kentucky AG, a black man, by the way, most of what the media has been telling us is a lie. The police had a warrant, she was on it, and the boyfriend shot at the cops first. That changes things a lot. There would not be violent "protests" (riots) if the media told the truth and stuck to reporting facts. But in each case they twist it to create racial tension and smear the police.
So on one hand I understand why black people are upset if they believe the news, which is supposed to be news and supposed to be believed. But at the same time, in 2020, if you're passionate enough about an issue to go and burn down your city, perhaps get a better grip on what really happened first. A lot of that is understanding the media is lying to you, which I don't think a lot of people understand.
It also creates a situation where we're trying to fix a problem that isn't really happening. The amount of black people killed by the police in a given year is almost none, so how do you get that lower? Police by definition have to interact with criminals, some of them violent, some of them end up having to be shot, some of them are going to be black. Not having police doesn't seem to be a viable solution. When Seattle had their bundle of sticks zone or whatever, with their own little security team, they shot two young black guys the first night.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 03:01:48 PM
The police had a warrant, she was on it, and the boyfriend shot at the cops first.
They didn't announce themselves.
She was sleeping and was murdered.
The cop was charged for inaccurate shots. It's an absolutely joke.
Post by: IATA on September 24, 2020, 09:47:16 PM
According to the Kentucky AG, a black man, by the way, most of what the media has been telling us is a lie. The police had a warrant, she was on it, and the boyfriend shot at the cops first. That changes things a lot. There would not be violent "protests" (riots) if the media told the truth and stuck to reporting facts. But in each case they twist it to create racial tension and smear the police.
So on one hand I understand why black people are upset if they believe the news, which is supposed to be news and supposed to be believed. But at the same time, in 2020, if you're passionate enough about an issue to go and burn down your city, perhaps get a better grip on what really happened first. A lot of that is understanding the media is lying to you, which I don't think a lot of people understand.
It also creates a situation where we're trying to fix a problem that isn't really happening. The amount of black people killed by the police in a given year is almost none, so how do you get that lower? Police by definition have to interact with criminals, some of them violent, some of them end up having to be shot, some of them are going to be black. Not having police doesn't seem to be a viable solution. When Seattle had their bundle of sticks zone or whatever, with their own little security team, they shot two young black guys the first night.
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Post by: ons on September 24, 2020, 11:01:42 PM
According to the Kentucky AG, a black man, by the way, most of what the media has been telling us is a lie. The police had a warrant, she was on it, and the boyfriend shot at the cops first. That changes things a lot.
It sounds like you still don't know the facts of the case, and didn't bother to learn them when they were first reported. Anyone paying attention could have told you all of that weeks ago, I don't understand how you can claim to say the media misreported things when you didn't read or retain the media reports of what happened. Just for your information, this is all from an article published on August 30, none of which has been disputed by the DA or the police:
The cops were issued a no-knock warrant for her apartment because her ex who was already in jail may have used her apartment at some point. Not because of anything she did. They were ordered to execute the warrant as a knock-and-announce, because she was considered low-threat and a low priority among the warrants they were executing that night. They waited till they thought she was asleep, and they believed her to be alone.
Then they then broke down her apartment door at 12:41 AM, after monitoring her apartment to make sure all the lights had been turned off.
Her current partner heard pounding at the door, woke up, and then fired a shot at the people breaking down the door, not knowing what was going on. His one shot hit an intruder in the leg. Two officers fired back from the doorway, mostly missing him but struck Breonna Taylor five times. Another officer fired blindly into the apartment complex from the parking lot. The boyfriend called 911 while the police were already there, because he still didn't know who had broken into his apartment and shot his girlfriend. He told the 911 dispatcher, while the cops were attending to the one cop who was shot in the leg right outside, that "I don’t know what’s happening. Someone kicked in the door and shot my girlfriend." Breonna Taylor bled out in her own home while the cop was treated for his injury.
That being said, I'm happy to know that you "understand why black people are upset" even though they should "perhaps get a better grip on what really happened." Good to know you've made that decision for them.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 25, 2020, 04:46:26 AM
They didn't announce themselves.
It sounds like you still don't know the facts of the case, and didn't bother to learn them when they were first reported.
LMAO.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 29, 2020, 01:09:32 PM
It sounds like you still don't know the facts of the case, and didn't bother to learn them when they were first reported. Anyone paying attention could have told you all of that weeks ago, I don't understand how you can claim to say the media misreported things when you didn't read or retain the media reports of what happened. Just for your information, this is all from an article published on August 30, none of which has been disputed by the DA or the police:
The cops were issued a no-knock warrant for her apartment because her ex who was already in jail may have used her apartment at some point. Not because of anything she did. They were ordered to execute the warrant as a knock-and-announce, because she was considered low-threat and a low priority among the warrants they were executing that night. They waited till they thought she was asleep, and they believed her to be alone.
Then they then broke down her apartment door at 12:41 AM, after monitoring her apartment to make sure all the lights had been turned off.
Her current partner heard pounding at the door, woke up, and then fired a shot at the people breaking down the door, not knowing what was going on. His one shot hit an intruder in the leg. Two officers fired back from the doorway, mostly missing him but struck Breonna Taylor five times. Another officer fired blindly into the apartment complex from the parking lot. The boyfriend called 911 while the police were already there, because he still didn't know who had broken into his apartment and shot his girlfriend. He told the 911 dispatcher, while the cops were attending to the one cop who was shot in the leg right outside, that "I don’t know what’s happening. Someone kicked in the door and shot my girlfriend." Breonna Taylor bled out in her own home while the cop was treated for his injury.
That being said, I'm happy to know that you "understand why black people are upset" even though they should "perhaps get a better grip on what really happened." Good to know you've made that decision for them.
Posts like this are why I don't bother with this excrement on here. And buried deep within it is the acknowledgment that the guy shot at the police first. Fire at the police and you have a good chance to get shot, regardless of your skin color.
Post by: ons on September 29, 2020, 01:26:44 PM
Posts like this are why I don't bother with this excrement on here. And buried deep within it is the acknowledgment that the guy shot at the police first. Fire at the police and you have a good chance to get shot, regardless of your skin color.
The fact that the police fired isn't what's racist about this case, it's the fact that you've done plenty of illegal drugs in your life and the system doesn't legally kill your loved ones in their own homes in the middle of the night.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 29, 2020, 01:58:16 PM
The fact that the police fired isn't what's racist about this case, it's the fact that you've done plenty of illegal drugs in your life and the system doesn't legally kill your loved ones in their own homes in the middle of the night.
You don't know me. I'm not running a drug den in my house and there are no warrants out for me. If I shot at a cop at my door they would shoot me too, hopefully killing me and nobody else but that's the chance you take when firing a weapon at anyone, let alone a cop.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 29, 2020, 02:08:22 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 29, 2020, 02:37:12 PM
Posts like this are why I don't bother with this excrement on here. And buried deep within it is the acknowledgment that the guy shot at the police first. Fire at the police and you have a good chance to get shot, regardless of your skin color.
out of that entire post recounting what happened, the bold is the one thing you focus and hone in on while ignoring everything else?
let's get this straight. you have no problem with george zimmerman shooting and killing a kid who was smaller than him by 100 pounds for picking a fight with him and then getting his derriere kicked, but you have a problem with this guy shooting at what he thought to be intruders trying to break into his home in the middle of the night.
discussions with people like you are just not possible. you are lost and you have no idea.
Post by: delavan on September 29, 2020, 02:54:33 PM
Unidentified strangers break down the door of a darkened apartment well after midnight? Who's the idiot that scriped that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dSL1IVcbWE
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 30, 2020, 02:55:30 PM
He didn't know it was the cops, you dingus.
Neighbor heard them ID themselves as police. Maybe they were asleep and didn't hear it, but that's the chance you take when you shoot. My point is race was not why the cops shot, they shot because they were shot at.
out of that entire post recounting what happened, the bold is the one thing you focus and hone in on while ignoring everything else?
The bold part changes the narrative that the cops broke into the wrong place and shot someone for being black.
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let's get this straight. you have no problem with george zimmerman shooting and killing a kid who was smaller than him by 100 pounds for picking a fight with him and then getting his derriere kicked, but you have a problem with this guy shooting at what he thought to be intruders trying to break into his home in the middle of the night.
discussions with people like you are just not possible. you are lost and you have no idea.
I said the media pushed a false narrative about the Martin/Zimmerman matter because they did. They doctored the 911 call and used a dated picture of Martin to alter the perception of what happened. My original point about it was Obama joined in and inflamed the issue without knowing the facts.
Never said I had no problem with Zimmerman, you keep saying that. At this point I'm going to guess you either are misreading it on purpose to continue the argument, or you somehow got through medical school without being able to read. I'm going to guess it's the first one but to be on the safe side I'm going to try my best not to get sick.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 30, 2020, 04:02:39 PM
Neighbor heard them ID themselves as police. Maybe they were asleep and didn't hear it, but that's the chance you take when you shoot. My point is race was not why the cops shot, they shot because they were shot at.
The bold part changes the narrative that the cops broke into the wrong place and shot someone for being black.
people are pissed about what happened because black lives are needlessly murdered and nobody is ever brought to justice for it.
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I said the media pushed a false narrative about the Martin/Zimmerman matter because they did. They doctored the 911 call and used a dated picture of Martin to alter the perception of what happened. My original point about it was Obama joined in and inflamed the issue without knowing the facts.
you keep fvckin perseverating on a 'false media narrative' just because of that young picture. we get it, he wasn't as young as he was in that picture when the crime happened, we get it. it's not the youth displayed in that picture that caused such rage about the situation. yet you've used that 'misleading picture/false media narrative' spin to turn around and say 'he wasn't that young, and he actually turned out to be bigger than zimmerman!' which is blatantly false. i've brought up multiple times the fact that zimmerman had 100+ pounds on him and you've blatantly gone about ignoring it because it makes your own narrative about the situation implode. we get it, he wasn't that young, but he was still a teenager that was 100 pounds smaller than zimmerman, and he got killed for beating up a grown man that was 100+ pounds heavier than him that picked a needless fight with him. the picture doesn't change anything.
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Never said I had no problem with Zimmerman, you keep saying that. At this point I'm going to guess you either are misreading it on purpose to continue the argument, or you somehow got through medical school without being able to read. I'm going to guess it's the first one but to be on the safe side I'm going to try my best not to get sick.
you claim fairness with zimmerman, yet have come to his defense multiple times e.g the above picture situation/size/age. you've even come out with blatantly made up excrement that exist completely in your mind such as 'maybe they knew each other beforehand and didn't like each other? i don't know but i can't judge' to try and absolve him and deny race playing any sort of factor in the situation. i'm sorry but excrement like that makes it hard to believe you're actually critical of zimmerman; you've done nothing but make excuses for him all the while assuming the worst of the boyfriend shooting at home intruders in the night. what are the differences between those two characters? why do you feel so differently about their situations?
nobody here is misreading anything, the problem is i/we read your posts too well and call them out for the bullshit that they are. i'm just going to stop reading your posts. and it's awfully rich of you to come at me for calling your nonsensical and innately contradictory excrement out by coming at my profession, when you fcking drive for a living.
The amount of black people killed by the police in a given year is almost none, so how do you get that lower?
do you understand how fvcking stupid it looks writing excrement like that? you wrote that. do you understand the obscene amount of stupidity on multiple levels behind that fvcking sentence? what were you thinking when you decided to type that out? the hell are you even trying to say lmfao. just stop
Post by: IATA on October 01, 2020, 07:14:39 AM
Neighbor heard them ID themselves as police. Maybe they were asleep and didn't hear it, but that's the chance you take when you shoot. My point is race was not why the cops shot, they shot because they were shot at.
1 neighbor who changed his story 2 months later to match the police narative after serveral meetings, and an investigation done into themselves. but you know, that 1 super dependable neighbor.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 01, 2020, 09:29:13 AM
1 neighbor who changed his story 2 months later to match the police narative after serveral meetings, and an investigation done into themselves. but you know, that 1 super dependable neighbor.
3 "interviews" for that single neighbor to "remember" they heard the police announce themselves
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 01, 2020, 01:34:36 PM
people are pissed about what happened because black lives are needlessly murdered and nobody is ever brought to justice for it.
you keep fvckin perseverating on a 'false media narrative' just because of that young picture. we get it, he wasn't as young as he was in that picture when the crime happened, we get it. it's not the youth displayed in that picture that caused such rage about the situation. yet you've used that 'misleading picture/false media narrative' spin to turn around and say 'he wasn't that young, and he actually turned out to be bigger than zimmerman!' which is blatantly false. i've brought up multiple times the fact that zimmerman had 100+ pounds on him and you've blatantly gone about ignoring it because it makes your own narrative about the situation implode. we get it, he wasn't that young, but he was still a teenager that was 100 pounds smaller than zimmerman, and he got killed for beating up a grown man that was 100+ pounds heavier than him that picked a needless fight with him. the picture doesn't change anything.
you claim fairness with zimmerman, yet have come to his defense multiple times e.g the above picture situation/size/age. you've even come out with blatantly made up excrement that exist completely in your mind such as 'maybe they knew each other beforehand and didn't like each other? i don't know but i can't judge' to try and absolve him and deny race playing any sort of factor in the situation. i'm sorry but excrement like that makes it hard to believe you're actually critical of zimmerman; you've done nothing but make excuses for him all the while assuming the worst of the boyfriend shooting at home intruders in the night. what are the differences between those two characters? why do you feel so differently about their situations?
nobody here is misreading anything, the problem is i/we read your posts too well and call them out for the bullshit that they are. i'm just going to stop reading your posts. and it's awfully rich of you to come at me for calling your nonsensical and innately contradictory excrement out by coming at my profession, when you fcking drive for a living.
do you understand how fvcking stupid it looks writing excrement like that? you wrote that. do you understand the obscene amount of stupidity on multiple levels behind that fvcking sentence? what were you thinking when you decided to type that out? the hell are you even trying to say lmfao. just stop
You mean the reality of the statistics? Shoot the messenger if you want to, this isn't going anywhere.
-You still think I'm defending Zimmerman, or at least you're pretending to, completely missing the point over and over.
-I didn't attack your profession, I'm questioning whether you're even reading what I'm saying, since you must be able to read.
-I don't drive "for a living", we've covered all of this.
So again, you aren't reading my posts. If you are you're willfully ignoring what I'm saying, which makes this a waste of time.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 01, 2020, 01:36:49 PM
1 neighbor who changed his story 2 months later to match the police narative after serveral meetings, and an investigation done into themselves. but you know, that 1 super dependable neighbor.
Regardless, the guy shot at the police, that's why the police shot. How is that about race?
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2020, 07:00:40 PM
If I shot at a cop at my door they would shoot me too, hopefully killing me
Don't be so hard on yourself, your life is worth 10x more than a cop's.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 05, 2020, 03:55:35 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 05, 2020, 03:57:04 PM
Thank you to black women, who of course are known for stocking grocery shelves, and thank you to those stocking grocery shelves, who of course are known for being black women.
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Post by: mj2sexay on October 05, 2020, 04:04:00 PM
?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jktOysvyr6g
"Bla bla bla context" is a dead argument when the very fine people lie is being presented to the public at a debate as if Trump actually was talking about neo nazis.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 05, 2020, 04:49:02 PM
I will say, if you are still undecided at this point, you are bound to be retarded.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 05, 2020, 07:47:49 PM
Just have the election already. So tired of arguments when no one will agree.
I will say, if you are still undecided at this point, you are bound to be retarded.
I am undecided. Between Harambe and Deez Nuts
Post by: bojanglesman on October 05, 2020, 08:22:37 PM
I am undecided. Between Harambe and Deez NutsI stand corrected.
Post by: Johnny English on October 05, 2020, 10:45:08 PM
I stand corrected.
He actually proved your point.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 06, 2020, 05:15:56 AM
He actually proved your point.Deez Nuts is a solid candidate.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 06, 2020, 08:11:23 AM
He actually proved your point.
Better than Jill Stein
Post by: Johnny English on October 06, 2020, 08:24:42 AM
Better than Jill Stein
OK you have me on that one.
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2020, 07:16:21 PM
OK you have me on that one.Stein would be better than Biden
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 08, 2020, 08:26:43 PM
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/breonna-taylor-warrant-was-misleading-louisville-police-investigators-find/article_5066abb4-08ee-11eb-983a-6f7458a23340.html (https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/breonna-taylor-warrant-was-misleading-louisville-police-investigators-find/article_5066abb4-08ee-11eb-983a-6f7458a23340.html)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 08, 2020, 09:46:45 PM
Louisville Public Integrity Unit investigates Breonna Taylor Warrant, recommends officer who wrote it should be investigated for criminal actions for misleading wording.
https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/breonna-taylor-warrant-was-misleading-louisville-police-investigators-find/article_5066abb4-08ee-11eb-983a-6f7458a23340.html (https://www.wdrb.com/in-depth/breonna-taylor-warrant-was-misleading-louisville-police-investigators-find/article_5066abb4-08ee-11eb-983a-6f7458a23340.html)
Tip for cops: drug dealers don’t get bricks delivered by USPS
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 08, 2020, 09:48:50 PM
Post by: Badger on October 09, 2020, 01:50:04 PM
Post by: delavan on October 16, 2020, 02:01:20 PM
https://www.wfaa.com/article/money/business/stan-richards-found-of-the-richards-group-steps-down-comments-motel-6/287-3b151be8-a7dc-4d19-b1e8-e29ca67314eb
Post by: IATA on November 02, 2020, 09:15:16 PM
Post by: IATA on November 09, 2020, 07:32:28 PM
The long dick of the law is gonna freak these little retards.
Illegally obtained firearms never really bode well for anyone, even if used in "sElF dEfEnSe"
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: delavan on November 19, 2020, 02:33:10 PM
https://dailyvoice.com/new-york/pelham/schools/pelham-schools-defend-ban-on-staff-wearing-blue-black-lives-matter-symbols/798202/
Post by: Badger on November 19, 2020, 04:19:06 PM
Here in a local Village, whether black or blue neither will do:They should remove Huck Finn from the curriculum too
https://dailyvoice.com/new-york/pelham/schools/pelham-schools-defend-ban-on-staff-wearing-blue-black-lives-matter-symbols/798202/
Post by: bojanglesman on November 19, 2020, 04:44:04 PM
Post by: delavan on November 19, 2020, 04:51:20 PM
They should remove Huck Finn from the curriculum too
It was an fyi
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2020, 10:50:06 AM
https://twitter.com/theeconomist/status/1337613446054092802?s=21
Post by: bojanglesman on December 15, 2020, 10:54:50 AM
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1337004542899130368?s=21
https://twitter.com/theeconomist/status/1337613446054092802?s=21
Dark Brown Lives Matter set to take off!
Post by: Heismanberg on December 15, 2020, 11:03:47 AM
Post by: Badger on December 15, 2020, 11:58:57 AM
Shaun King is probably embezzling that moneyHe has no affiliation with BLM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2020, 12:22:46 PM
He has no affiliation with BLM
Which has never stopped him from grifting under the movement before
Post by: Badger on December 15, 2020, 01:21:15 PM
Which has never stopped him from grifting under the movement beforeSure, but not the org.
He's still also better than every single person who feels threatened by BLM.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 17, 2020, 06:57:46 AM
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2020/12/cyclist-pleads-guilty-to-capital-crescent-trail-assault-that-went-viral/ (https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2020/12/cyclist-pleads-guilty-to-capital-crescent-trail-assault-that-went-viral/)
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2021, 11:23:37 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 14, 2021, 11:28:23 AM
More baseless and malicious persecution of an innocent and completely not racist citizen whose only crime was to selflessly put himself in harm's way to protect other people's property (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kyle-rittenhouse-out-bail-flashed-white-power-signs-bar-prosecutors-n1254250)
I feel like this is one of those things that could get that whole pre-trial release revoked.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2021, 11:30:45 AM
More baseless and malicious persecution of an innocent and completely not racist citizen whose only crime was to selflessly put himself in harm's way to protect other people's property (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kyle-rittenhouse-out-bail-flashed-white-power-signs-bar-prosecutors-n1254250)
Can't wait for that little bitch to get his derriere kicked every day in jail
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2021, 11:31:51 AM
I feel like this is one of those things that could get that whole pre-trial release revoked.
He isn't breaking any laws or (AFAIK) any bail conditions. The story says they're looking to amend the conditions to prevent him from drinking, going to bars, associating with racist organizations like the Proud Boys, and throwing white supremacist gang signs. I suspect that the last two are an exercise in getting it on record prior to trial that he had to be specifically told not to be racist or with racists, thus establishing a starting point at trial that he is definitively a racist.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 14, 2021, 11:32:53 AM
- not flash white power signs
- not have an 18-year old consume alcohol at a bar
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2021, 11:33:06 AM
He isn't breaking any laws or (AFAIK) any bail conditions.
How is he allowed to drink if he isn't 21?
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 14, 2021, 11:34:18 AM
He isn't breaking any laws or (AFAIK) any bail conditions. The story says they're looking to amend the conditions to prevent him from drinking, going to bars, associating with racist organizations like the Proud Boys, and throwing white supremacist gang signs. I suspect that the last two are an exercise in getting it on record prior to trial that he had to be specifically told not to be racist or with racists, thus establishing a starting point at trial that he is definitively a racist.
Given that the legal drinking age is 21 in the US and this guy is 18, there’s one law.
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2021, 11:35:11 AM
How is he allowed to drink if he isn't 21?
Given that the legal drinking age is 21 in the US and this guy is 18, there’s one law.
According to the story, Wisconsin law allows you to drink at 18 if accompanied by a parent. His mom was with him in the bar.
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In the state of Illinois, where Rittenhouse lives, it is illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to possess or consume alcohol in a public place, according to the motion. But in Wisconsin, people under the age of 21 can carry and drink alcohol if they are with a parent.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2021, 11:35:31 AM
Joe Biden’s America
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 14, 2021, 11:41:00 AM
According to the story, Wisconsin law allows you to drink at 18 if accompanied by a parent. His mom was with him in the bar.
Glossed over that. Looks like I learned something today.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 14, 2021, 12:12:38 PM
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1349762190568517634?s=21 (https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1349762190568517634?s=21)
Post by: mj2sexay on January 14, 2021, 12:58:15 PM
Can't wait for that little bitch to get his derriere kicked every day in jail
Ahahahahahahahahahaha.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2021, 01:04:36 PM
Ahahahahahahahahahaha.
Stop derailing the thread
Post by: IATA on January 14, 2021, 01:21:19 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 14, 2021, 01:23:19 PM
I wonder if he's gonna join the Aryan nation or if theyll sell him to the black gangs for some cigs?
He can always start randomly shitting himself to the point that he gets put in solitary, which was a strategy employed by the brother of one of my sailors.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2021, 01:40:44 PM
He can always start randomly shitting himself to the point that he gets put in solitary, which was a strategy employed by the brother of one of my sailors.
That sounds way better than gen pop
Post by: Badger on January 14, 2021, 01:51:08 PM
That sounds way better than gen popMore like gen poop amirite
Post by: delavan on January 14, 2021, 06:44:23 PM
Quote from: Heismanberg
Can't wait for that little bitch to get his derriere kicked every day in jail
Quote from: Heismanberg
How is he allowed to drink if he isn't 21?
Isn't yet 21? I don't think the young lad has to worry about his ass getting kicked. lmAo
Post by: bojanglesman on January 14, 2021, 06:59:31 PM
Post by: delavan on January 18, 2021, 12:14:51 PM
On this day. Two quotes; one by Martin Luther King Jr. and one by Malcolm X.
“Ignorance of each other is what has made unity impossible in the past. Therefore, we need enlightenment. We need more light about each other. Light creates understanding, understanding creates love, love creates patience, and patience creates unity. Once we have more knowledge (light) about each other, we will stop condemning each other and a United front will be brought about.”
“The majority of white Americans consider themselves sincerely committed to justice for the Negro. They believe that American society is essentially hospitable to fair play and to steady growth toward a middle-class Utopia embodying racial harmony. But unfortunately this is a fantasy of self-deception and comfortable vanity.”
The first ('light & love') quote = MLK? No, Malcolm.
The cynical 'self-deception and comfortable vanity' assessment? MLK Jr.
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2021, 12:25:16 PM
Post by: delavan on January 18, 2021, 12:36:23 PM
If MLK belonged to the current era the chuds would hate him as much as they do BLM and the rest of the black social justice movement.
Probably. And the above quotes were to illustrate how mistakenly assumptive people (chuds and otherwise) were about these two especially Malcolm who was dismissed as a one-trick-pony violent separatist.
Post by: Johnny English on January 18, 2021, 05:22:05 PM
If MLK belonged to the current era the chuds would hate him as much as they do BLM and the rest of the black social justice movement.
The freak you talking about? MLK was a Conservative, or so it says here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/l03fql/farright_extremist_suggests_treating_people_of/
Post by: mj2sexay on January 18, 2021, 05:50:23 PM
If MLK belonged to the current era the chuds would hate him as much as they do BLM and the rest of the black social justice movement.
And the SJW's and more hardline portion of BLM would say he is an appeaser and a sellout.
Post by: IATA on January 18, 2021, 05:52:00 PM
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2021, 07:00:27 PM
And the SJW's and more hardline portion of BLM would say he is an appeaser and a sellout.Depends which scenario we're going with here. An in his prime MLK who exists in the current era vs the original MLK surviving to today. The latter may very well have disappointed a lot of people and rightfully so based on the track records of some former civil rights movement leaders.
But either one would have today's typical conservative shitting their pants with rage.
Post by: Jumbo on January 18, 2021, 07:11:02 PM
If MLK belonged to the current era the chuds would hate him as much as they do BLM and the rest of the black social justice movement.
And the terminally online left would label him as an ally of white supremacy. Of course that one might actually stick in the current mainstream.
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2021, 07:14:31 PM
And the terminally online left would label him as an ally of white supremacy. Of course that one might actually stick in the current mainstream.See above
Post by: mj2sexay on January 18, 2021, 08:12:22 PM
And the terminally online left would label him as an ally of white supremacy. Of course that one might actually stick in the current mainstream.
I believe they'd label him as partaking in "multiracial whiteness"
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2021, 08:32:12 PM
Predictable deflection from the fact that their base would despise a current day MLK
Post by: Johnny English on January 18, 2021, 08:34:42 PM
Some serious "conservatives getting angry at something they made up" happening in here
Predictable deflection from the fact that their base would despise a current day MLK
No but really he was a conservative. Also did you know that really it was the Democrats who loved slaves and hated freedom?
Post by: Jumbo on January 18, 2021, 08:38:37 PM
Some serious "conservatives getting angry at something they made up" happening in here
Predictable deflection from the fact that their base would despise a current day MLK
I mean, Thatcher and Reagan called Mandela a terrorist
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2021, 08:43:59 PM
I mean, Thatcher and Reagan called Mandela a terroristCorrect, and this sort of this is more meaningful and real than an imaginary Twitter rando trashing MLK for not being woke enough.
Post by: Jumbo on January 18, 2021, 08:48:52 PM
Correct, and this sort of this is more meaningful and real than an imaginary Twitter rando trashing MLK for not being woke enough.
We're not in 2015 anymore. This stuff bleeds into public discourse and actions of public and private actors, it doesn't stick on imaginary Twitter rando corner for long.
Post by: Badger on January 18, 2021, 09:13:12 PM
We're not in 2015 anymore. This stuff bleeds into public discourse and actions of public and private actors, it doesn't stick on imaginary Twitter rando corner for long.[citation needed]
Post by: mj2sexay on January 19, 2021, 12:59:44 AM
Some serious "conservatives getting angry at something they made up" happening in here
Predictable deflection from the fact that their base would despise a current day MLK
Yes, I totally made it up;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/15/understand-trumps-support-we-must-think-terms-multiracial-whiteness/
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2021, 07:49:46 AM
Just take the L on this one.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 03, 2021, 04:03:45 PM
Of course
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 03, 2021, 04:24:21 PM
https://twitter.com/CassidyWtv/status/1357077167885189126?s=20
Of course
Wonder where he fled to.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 30, 2021, 06:07:09 AM
Yep that's totally comparable to sitting members of Congress who'd be calling him a Marxist danger to society.
Just take the L on this one.
There's no L to be taken. CTR and its adherents are disgusting cultists that are looking to reinstitute segregation. Kendi's words on the subject are clear. The idea that they wouldn't look at MLK's "race neutral" rhetoric, or worse, wouldn't directly condemn him for, you know, condemning looting by saying its ineffectual is contrary to all the evidence posted on a daily basis from these psychos on the twittersphere.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/navy-yard-carjacking-uber-eats-washington-dc-muhammad-anwar/65-359c605a-65e3-4b05-bbe3-b220dd740df7
Amazing how this hasn't become a major national story. I wonder why.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2021, 07:28:07 AM
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2021, 07:46:43 AM
Would the Jets still try to trade Darnold if he was black?I have to consult the value chart in my Dirigible Space Theory handbook.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2021, 08:28:36 AM
Would the Jets still try to trade Darnold if he was black?L'Sam-eh Darnhard
Post by: MBGreen on April 12, 2021, 08:56:10 AM
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Protests escalate near Minneapolis after police officer fatally shoots Black man Daunte Wright during traffic stop
Protests are escalating in the town of Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, where a police officer fatally shot a Black man, 20-year-old Daunte Wright, on Sunday. Officers had pulled Wright over for a traffic violation. Since the shooting, crowds of protesters have gathered outside the Brooklyn Center Police Department, where officers in riot gear have formed a protective line and released gas irritants in attempts to disperse people, according to journalists at the scene.
ruh roh
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 12, 2021, 10:13:10 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 12, 2021, 10:13:15 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 12, 2021, 10:38:23 AM
lol
Post by: Heismanberg on April 12, 2021, 10:45:12 AM
https://twitter.com/zerosum24/status/1381450367767097348?s=21
lol
Gerard Butler's new film: Little Caesar's Has Fallen
Post by: bojanglesman on April 12, 2021, 11:23:04 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 12, 2021, 01:17:22 PM
This one is a doozy
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 12, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 12, 2021, 01:42:08 PM
Post by: IATA on April 12, 2021, 01:42:56 PM
Post by: IATA on April 12, 2021, 01:44:48 PM
Post by: Badger on April 12, 2021, 01:45:46 PM
inb4 "well he shouldnt have run"Gotta wait for the tox report to come back to decide if he deserved to die
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 12, 2021, 01:48:53 PM
did she say "holy excrement...i just shot him..." ??
Somehow couldn't tell the difference between gun and her taser. Should be fired and prosecuted.
Post by: Johnny English on April 12, 2021, 01:58:53 PM
Somehow couldn't tell the difference between gun and her taser. Should be fired and prosecuted.
Maybe they should make the tasers with round grips and the guns with square ones, just to help cops out with this difficult kind of situation. You know, a bit like how you give the baby the square block and the round block and the thing with the holes to push them through.
Post by: IATA on April 12, 2021, 02:01:28 PM
Maybe they should make the tasers with round grips and the guns with square ones, just to help cops out with this difficult kind of situation. You know, a bit like how you give the baby the square block and the round block and the thing with the holes to push them through.
theyre just police officers, not rocket scientist
Post by: bojanglesman on April 12, 2021, 02:22:58 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 12, 2021, 04:06:28 PM
she exclaims her intent to escalate force and tase him multiple times, without even thinking of looking down and confirming that the device she is holding, with her hand, right in front of her, in front of another human being's body, is in fact a taser and not a gun. the commotion is not an excuse. wtf
Post by: insanity on April 12, 2021, 04:07:34 PM
inb4 "well he shouldnt have run"I mean there is grey here right?
He shouldn't be dead, but also maybe don't resist arrest, jump into your car and try to drive away... he wasn't completely without fault here
Again there are layers to this and there is zero reasons he should have been shot.
Post by: insanity on April 12, 2021, 04:08:13 PM
oh no lol, that is so fvcked, this is going to be fvcked, shits gonna get uglyTerrible policing
she exclaims her intent to escalate force and tase him multiple times, without even thinking of looking down and confirming that the device she is holding, with her hand, right in front of her, in front of another human being's body, is in fact a taser and not a gun. the commotion is not an excuse. wtf
Post by: IATA on April 12, 2021, 04:18:13 PM
Post by: Badger on April 12, 2021, 04:23:14 PM
BsnshdkzhsnshsGesundheit
Post by: bojanglesman on April 12, 2021, 04:30:44 PM
I mean there is grey here right?2 things can be true. He shouldn't be dead, he should be alive and arrested.
He shouldn't be dead, but also maybe don't resist arrest, jump into your car and try to drive away... he wasn't completely without fault here
Again there are layers to this and there is zero reasons he should have been shot.
Post by: delavan on April 12, 2021, 04:59:41 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 12, 2021, 05:03:55 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 12, 2021, 05:06:28 PM
So what if he got into the car and started driving off, the cops already knew who he was.What if he ran over someone fleeing the police? You can go in circles all day. The kid is no saint, but there has to be a better way.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 12, 2021, 05:06:51 PM
So what if he got into the car and started driving off, the cops already knew who he was.And knew what his car was, and the address it was registered to.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 12, 2021, 05:10:24 PM
What if he ran over someone fleeing the police? You can go in circles all day. The kid is no saint, but there has to be a better way.Yeah! Tasing him while he's trying to drive will definitely prevent that!
Post by: Badger on April 12, 2021, 05:15:36 PM
What if he ran over someone fleeing the police? You can go in circles all day.
No
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 12, 2021, 09:32:06 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 13, 2021, 08:47:02 AM
It’s that Midwest slang
Post by: delavan on April 13, 2021, 01:23:38 PM
https://twitter.com/ur_ninja/status/1381804866574635011?s=21
It’s that Midwest slang
He's my new media liaison - pack yer bags Jared Winley
https://www.newyorkjets.com/team/front-office-roster/jared-winley
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 13, 2021, 02:09:22 PM
Post by: Badger on April 17, 2021, 08:20:52 AM
https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1383187423731937282?s=19
Post by: mj2sexay on April 17, 2021, 08:30:25 AM
Want to read the ramblings of someone completely disconnected from reality?
https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1383187423731937282?s=19
If you want to read about people disconnected from reality on Weiss's substack, you can read Paul Rossi's description of what he's had to put up with for questioning the blatantly racist tenets of critical race theory and its implementation in the school he teaches at.
Literal public struggle sessions are here baby! Lets get down like its 1978!
Post by: IATA on April 17, 2021, 09:27:34 AM
If you want to read about people disconnected from reality on Weiss's substack, you can read Paul Rossi's description of what he's had to put up with for questioning the blatantly racist tenets of critical race theory and its implementation in the school he teaches at.Nobody gives a excrement.
Literal public struggle sessions are here baby! Lets get down like its 1978!
Post by: IATA on April 17, 2021, 09:28:53 AM
Want to read the ramblings of someone completely disconnected from reality?The quiet part out loud.
https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1383187423731937282?s=19
Post by: Badger on April 17, 2021, 09:29:42 AM
If you want to read about people disconnected from reality on Weiss's substack, you can read Paul Rossi's description of what he's had to put up with for questioning the blatantly racist tenets of critical race theory and its implementation in the school he teaches at.I doubt it's as funny as the dad pulling his kid out of an elite private school because he got mad they acknowledged systemic racism exists. And then Bari platforming him.
Literal public struggle sessions are here baby! Lets get down like its 1978!
Post by: mj2sexay on April 17, 2021, 10:06:07 PM
Nobody gives a excrement.
Happy to say that enough people give a excrement that people are doing things about it.
https://www.fairforall.org/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 20, 2021, 10:35:35 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 20, 2021, 11:42:33 AM
Post by: Badger on April 20, 2021, 12:23:59 PM
Post by: delavan on April 20, 2021, 12:45:09 PM
How is Al Sharpton only 66 years old? Race baiting rides you hard I guess. I thought he was 80.
54 year old Roy Innis sends 34 year old Al Sharpton ass over teakettle
"Down goes Fraziah!..down goes Fraziah!"
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x72mbv
Post by: Jumbo on April 20, 2021, 02:55:39 PM
How is Al Sharpton only 66 years old? Race baiting rides you hard I guess. I thought he was 80.
Black sometimes crack
Post by: bojanglesman on April 20, 2021, 03:05:29 PM
Post by: delavan on April 20, 2021, 03:29:21 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/QAtLRc6EvY7YgchGKn/giphy.gif)
Post by: bojanglesman on April 20, 2021, 03:33:51 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 20, 2021, 04:07:40 PM
Post by: delavan on April 20, 2021, 04:07:57 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 20, 2021, 04:11:33 PM
Post by: Badger on April 20, 2021, 04:18:26 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 20, 2021, 04:25:19 PM
We did it. We beat racism.
The Mall of America is safe!
Post by: mj2sexay on April 20, 2021, 04:54:07 PM
Even the biggest pieces of excrement, Chauvin included are entitled to that.
Post by: IATA on April 20, 2021, 05:18:21 PM
Speaker Pelosi at the Congressional Black Caucus presser after Chauvin verdict:
“Thank you George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice.”
ya, i dunno if that was his intent, nancy
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 20, 2021, 05:19:41 PM
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1384624338683502592Not the best choice.
Speaker Pelosi at the Congressional Black Caucus presser after Chauvin verdict:
“Thank you George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice.”
ya, i dunno if that was his intent, nancy
Post by: bojanglesman on April 20, 2021, 05:34:29 PM
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1384624338683502592Good God, wtf was that?
Speaker Pelosi at the Congressional Black Caucus presser after Chauvin verdict:
“Thank you George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice.”
ya, i dunno if that was his intent, nancy
Post by: delavan on April 20, 2021, 05:47:00 PM
Quote from: Nancy Pelosi
“Thank you George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice.”
Thank you Nancy Pelosi for offering up your pendulous tlts for gravity.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 20, 2021, 05:49:45 PM
Thank you Nancy Pelosi for offering up your pendulous tlts for gravity.She's lucky she has great old lady jugs after that comment.
Post by: MBGreen on April 20, 2021, 05:51:44 PM
Good God, wtf was that?I couldn't hear her past my boner
Post by: bojanglesman on April 20, 2021, 06:01:11 PM
I couldn't hear her past my boner
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em5aVfQWMAYlEb-.png)
Post by: Johnny English on April 20, 2021, 06:23:32 PM
A trial held under duress (and given the rhetoric from Obama, Waters, Biden etc. makes it very clear that there was a "right" and "wrong" verdict), isn't a fair trial.
Even the biggest pieces of excrement, Chauvin included are entitled to that.
Feels like the good guys were due one though, and at this point it's literally "come on guys, we've all watched the video of him doing it, if you don't convict this time then you should probably just officially declare an all out race war and get on with it".
Post by: MBGreen on April 20, 2021, 07:06:34 PM
Post by: Jumbo on April 20, 2021, 07:10:48 PM
A trial held under duress (and given the rhetoric from Obama, Waters, Biden etc. makes it very clear that there was a "right" and "wrong" verdict), isn't a fair trial.
Even the biggest pieces of excrement, Chauvin included are entitled to that.
He wasn't gonna get a "fair trial" anywhere in the US with all of the coverage and media looking in on it. Is what it is.
It might be overturned but I have doubts that find a jury willing to find him not guilty of charges at this point, even if it was legitimate to do so (which for at least manslaughter, probably not. Murder is more of a tossup in a "fair trial" imo)
Post by: Badger on April 20, 2021, 08:09:49 PM
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1384624338683502592"Thank you for your service, enjoy your Hot Cheetos"
Speaker Pelosi at the Congressional Black Caucus presser after Chauvin verdict:
“Thank you George Floyd for sacrificing your life for justice.”
ya, i dunno if that was his intent, nancy
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 20, 2021, 08:11:40 PM
We did it. We beat racism.
I love you but you’re naive.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 20, 2021, 08:12:10 PM
This Nancy Pelosi thread is great
Post by: Badger on April 20, 2021, 09:56:45 PM
-still claiming Floyd died of an overdose
-this outcome is illegitimate because "the left" said they wanted it
-China did this
Post by: dcm1602 on April 20, 2021, 11:34:44 PM
Just getting all the RWNJ narratives in one place:
-still claiming Floyd died of an overdose
-this outcome is illegitimate because "the left" said they wanted it
-China did this
Not big on the political drama, but the legal stuff I've read seems to suggest that there's going to be extremely major legal grounds for an appeal on this one. So many unorthodox things happened (from a legal standpoint not the political crap) that this shits going to obviously drag out for years.
Regardless of charges and convictions this dudes life is completely fucked and over. If I were him I'd just end the misery while he still has the means to do so
Post by: mj2sexay on April 21, 2021, 06:05:17 AM
Just getting all the RWNJ narratives in one place:
-still claiming Floyd died of an overdose
-this outcome is illegitimate because "the left" said they wanted it
-China did this
Lol, so Hannity and Judge Janine don't count as "RWNJ's" for you?
Post by: Badger on April 21, 2021, 06:35:55 AM
Lol, so Hannity and Judge Janine don't count as "RWNJ's" for you?Why, what did I miss?
But for the record I would probably consider them to be hacks, not true crazies.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 21, 2021, 08:02:33 AM
Why, what did I miss?
But for the record I would probably consider them to be hacks, not true crazies.
Without watching Hannity (admittedly I had FOX turned on when I heard the verdict was going to be announced and Janine was on the panel), from what I read this morning, he was effusive about this being the correct verdict. Janine flat out said after it was announced this was the right verdict and wouldn't be getting overturned on appeal.
As for your #2 "RWNJ argument" and for whatever its worth, you can have good outcomes totally de-legitimized by the process it took to get there, especially when that process includes a revelation that the leader of our country is so disdainful of both the judiciary system and the idea that the common rabble (in a county that overwhelmingly voted for him no less) get to determine guilt or innocence that he has to open his mouth AFTER the presiding Judge tried to do Maxine Waters a huge favor (and may have succeeded in covering both hers and his derriere on appeal) and literally told everyone to shut up.
Post by: Badger on April 21, 2021, 01:13:16 PM
Post by: delavan on April 21, 2021, 02:16:11 PM
Post by: Badger on April 24, 2021, 09:53:22 PM
https://twitter.com/Sharyfff/status/1385568636568588289?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on April 24, 2021, 10:01:55 PM
This is the worst thing I've seen in at least 6 or 7 minutesWtf?
https://twitter.com/Sharyfff/status/1385568636568588289?s=19
Post by: reuben on April 24, 2021, 11:00:50 PM
This is the worst thing I've seen in at least 6 or 7 minutes
https://twitter.com/Sharyfff/status/1385568636568588289?s=19
They should have tased him anyway.
Post by: delavan on April 25, 2021, 04:43:24 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/JobbOLgMEKaijY09VL/giphy.gif)
Post by: Badger on June 02, 2021, 06:54:03 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1400162696478265344?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on June 02, 2021, 07:18:43 PM
Pretty big deal
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1400162696478265344?s=19
My main take away from this story when I saw it earlier was "WTAF I can't believe that they were actually doing that". I do understand that there are racial differences that may indicate greater or lesser tendencies towards particular afflictions, but I'm pretty sure this ain't it.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 02, 2021, 11:11:35 PM
Pretty big deal
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1400162696478265344?s=19
Huge first step towards ending affirmative action in colleges
Bravo NFL
Post by: reuben on June 02, 2021, 11:38:33 PM
Huge first step towards ending affirmative action in colleges
Bravo NFL
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Post by: Badger on June 03, 2021, 05:35:46 AM
My main take away from this story when I saw it earlier was "WTAF I can't believe that they were actually doing that". I do understand that there are racial differences that may indicate greater or lesser tendencies towards particular afflictions, but I'm pretty sure this ain't it.Goes far beyond the NFL unfortunately
https://www.alabseries.com/episodes/episode-21-baked-in
Post by: Badger on June 16, 2021, 04:38:11 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 16, 2021, 06:54:11 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 16, 2021, 06:57:44 PM
Making Juneteenth a federal holiday but keeping kids from learning about why. Brilliant.
Except nobody is suggesting that
Post by: Badger on June 16, 2021, 07:28:38 PM
Except nobody is suggesting thatThe anti-CRT crusade doesn't even know what they're suggesting.
Post by: reuben on June 16, 2021, 08:28:45 PM
The anti-CRT crusade doesn't even know what they're suggesting.
WE WANT freaking FLATSCREENS
Post by: Badger on June 16, 2021, 08:41:54 PM
WE WANT freaking FLATSCREENSImplant chips in the head of each teacher that will detonate if the teacher says the Civil War was fought over slavery.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 16, 2021, 08:48:23 PM
The anti-CRT crusade doesn't even know what they're suggesting.
Not that school curriculums is an issue near and dear to my heart.
But my understanding is that the very radical views of the anti CRT people is that CRT shouldn't be taught in schools
Not a whole lot to it
Post by: dcm1602 on June 16, 2021, 08:53:25 PM
https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1405277857752838144?s=19
Just for giggles I Googled why most of the people who voted against it voted against It (not that their was many)
Seems the biggest issue was with it being called National Independence Day" which is completely understandable considering we already have an independence day and their objections were simply to rename it
Post by: ons on June 16, 2021, 10:46:46 PM
Not that school curriculums is an issue near and dear to my heart.
But my understanding is that the very radical views of the anti CRT people is that CRT shouldn't be taught in schools
Not a whole lot to it
I think the ambiguity lies in the lack of comprehension of what 'teaching CRT' would actually look like in public schools. For instance, teaching about racism in America doesn't mean teaching kids that they're active, hostile racists for being white, which is a claim that anti-CRT people copiously state in my local school board meetings.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 16, 2021, 11:17:19 PM
I think the ambiguity lies in the lack of comprehension of what 'teaching CRT' would actually look like in public schools. For instance, teaching about racism in America doesn't mean teaching kids that they're active, hostile racists for being white, which is a claim that anti-CRT people copiously state in my local school board meetings.
Is there actually a proposed curriculum for someone looking to learn about it to reference? I don’t disagree with what you or Badger said, but I do think the advocates of CRT have done a pee poor job of explaining what it is and what the plan and purpose of incorporating it is. 90% of the content I see on it is just railing on people that they accuse of not getting it with no attempt to educate or come to a common understanding.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 17, 2021, 08:44:39 AM
Proponents of CRT have not done a great job of explaining what it is or how it would be represented in middle or high schools, but it certainly wouldn't be an injection of current CRT curricula into public middle and high schools since CRT itself is a graduate level curriculum.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 17, 2021, 09:20:11 AM
The problem is most attempts to change US History curricula at public schools to focus on the damage caused by slavery, jim crow, black codes...etc. has typically been labeled by opponents as CRT.
Proponents of CRT have not done a great job of explaining what it is or how it would be represented in middle or high schools, but it certainly wouldn't be an injection of current CRT curricula into public middle and high schools since CRT itself is a graduate level curriculum.
No.
If anything its quite the opposite. It's proponents of CRT that constantly ask "why do you have a problem with teaching people about slavery, red lining, Jim Crow, Tulsa" etc, in order to shield themselves from the natural criticism that comes with what's actually being taught. The next logical question is, "well what's being taught?" Idiotic concepts like "spirit murder" blanket "all white people are racist" pseudo-social bullshit that labels ideas like "a right to comfort" as white supremacist thinking. It's real. This is not anyone taking issue with teaching the brutal reality of slavery and the generational impact that followed.
I'm not a big Bari Weiss fan, but Paul Rossi who by all indications is someone that should absolutely be in a position to teach young minds, gives a fantastic boots on the ground account of what's actually taking place.
https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/i-refuse-to-stand-by-while-my-students
I think the ambiguity lies in the lack of comprehension of what 'teaching CRT' would actually look like in public schools. For instance, teaching about racism in America doesn't mean teaching kids that they're active, hostile racists for being white, which is a claim that anti-CRT people copiously state in my local school board meetings.
Except that's exactly what is being taught. And therein lies the problem.
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2021, 01:49:24 PM
No.Lmao
If anything its quite the opposite. It's proponents of CRT that constantly ask "why do you have a problem with teaching people about slavery, red lining, Jim Crow, Tulsa" etc, in order to shield themselves from the natural criticism that comes with what's actually being taught. The next logical question is, "well what's being taught?" Idiotic concepts like "spirit murder" blanket "all white people are racist" pseudo-social bullshit that labels ideas like "a right to comfort" as white supremacist thinking. It's real. This is not anyone taking issue with teaching the brutal reality of slavery and the generational impact that followed.
I'm not a big Bari Weiss fan, but Paul Rossi who by all indications is someone that should absolutely be in a position to teach young minds, gives a fantastic boots on the ground account of what's actually taking place.
https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/i-refuse-to-stand-by-while-my-students
Except that's exactly what is being taught. And therein lies the problem.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 17, 2021, 01:58:12 PM
Lmao
Is it your contention that Joy Reid is correct in that children are currently learning history via the "daughters of the confederacy" in which its taught "slavery isn't so bad"
Perhaps you share the belief that punctuality is a tenet of white supremacy, and that children should be segregated and labeled at an early age according to their skin color.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 17, 2021, 04:30:31 PM
What in the freak Everlasting?
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2021, 04:45:47 PM
Is it your contention that Joy Reid is correct in that children are currently learning history via the "daughters of the confederacy" in which its taught "slavery isn't so bad"Lmao
Perhaps you share the belief that punctuality is a tenet of white supremacy, and that children should be segregated and labeled at an early age according to their skin color.
Post by: delavan on June 17, 2021, 05:46:14 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 17, 2021, 06:22:21 PM
The problem is most attempts to change US History curricula at public schools to focus on the damage caused by slavery, jim crow, black codes...etc. has typically been labeled by opponents as CRT.
Proponents of CRT have not done a great job of explaining what it is or how it would be represented in middle or high schools, but it certainly wouldn't be an injection of current CRT curricula into public middle and high schools since CRT itself is a graduate level curriculum.
Not going to pretend I remember high-school history.
But the civil war + Jim crow were more than substantial components.
And the reality is nobody gives a freak about history in school.
I think it's totally appropriate to teach young people about the nation's history both the good and the bad. But it's still pretty ridiculous 99% of people will graduate high-school not knowing how to manage finances pay bills or get raped by credit cards. I mean have you guys see the hidden fees at car dealers?
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 17, 2021, 07:20:29 PM
I mean have you guys see the hidden fees at car dealers?
dont you fvckin dare
Post by: ons on June 17, 2021, 08:25:58 PM
Is there actually a proposed curriculum for someone looking to learn about it to reference? I don’t disagree with what you or Badger said, but I do think the advocates of CRT have done a pee poor job of explaining what it is and what the plan and purpose of incorporating it is. 90% of the content I see on it is just railing on people that they accuse of not getting it with no attempt to educate or come to a common understanding.
My frame of reference is the school district my wife teaches in - she is known as one of the most 'activist' teachers in the district, was VP of her local teacher's union this past year and is favored to win a place on the executive board of the state teacher's union this summer. She teaches in a 90-95% white school that is consistently named among the top school districts in Maine. She, and many of our friends who are also activist-y teachers in the state, pretty much uniformly believe CRT should not be taught in schools, because there are almost no students who understand what any critical social theory is, let alone one with as much nuance as CRT. However, a local parent recently made his way onto Brietbart and then was interviewed on Tucker Carlson saying his kids are being taught that they're racist and are being indoctrinated with the CRT agenda that the superintendent, school board, and liberal-arts educated teachers are forcing down student throats. So it's a bizarre dichotomy in which everyone involved things CRT is inappropriate for schools, but a small group of incredibly vocal parents are getting their voices amplified by national media to create this insane buzz around the dangers of CRT.
Meanwhile, in the classroom, teachers in the district are mostly focused on just getting lowest performing students up to standards, elevating performance for highest performing students, and just keeping students engaged. A couple of teachers have independently tried to incorporate ideas that racism may exist in society today, and talking about the recency of real institutional racism - asking students why they believe their community is 90-95% white, for instance. My wife also leads a study abroad program in Japan, so she tries to inform some of those kids what it will feel like to be in a 'minority' group in Japan when many of them have hardly left the state of Maine. The prevailing idea that the activist teachers hope that some of their students will get is that people of color may experience life differently than white people even when they live in the same communities, and that there have historically been institutionalized systems of racism keeping people segregated, and some of that happened within living memory. As a language teacher, most of my wife's work is just pointing out the fact that there are non-white speakers of the language she teaches, and introduces some basic cultural facts about some countries where the language she teaches is the dominant language (she does a chocolate making mini-unit, and a pirates of the Caribbean unit, for example). There is no institutional support (or resistance) for including any of this, since there is basically no effort made to standardizing curriculum at the institution level - almost all curricula in the public schools I'm familiar with are determined by teachers. My wife in particular really focuses on trying to get students to critically analyze in any capacity, having any conversation with any student that involves literally any critical judgement about anything is usually the highlight of her day (is it wrong to steal treasure? do you sympathize more with the pirates or the pirate catchers?). She does no lecturing about non-language material, but uses these discussions to facilitate engagement and intra-classroom communication, and get college-bound kids prepared for how to discuss critical ideas in classrooms.
For the record, my wife taught both of the Tucker Carlson's interviewee's kids, they supposedly loved her and she really liked them, partially for their nerdy, SJW-y approach in the classroom. This year, on the last day of school, my wife got a handwritten note from a sixth grader written on a piece of paper that said she was the only reason why the sixth grader was able to 'feel happy in their body' and remembered how to smile this past year. She is also certainly one of the people who is being targeted by the Tucker Carlson interviewee, although she hasn't yet been receiving threatening phone calls in the middle of the night or had pictures of her classroom, room number, and her face posted on facebook with 'we're coming for you' messaging like some of her coworkers.
Which is all to say, I don't think CRT actually exists in public schools the way that people say it does, especially at institutional levels, because no student has the capacity to learn it, and very, very few teachers are going to put the work into actually teaching it, especially when the teachers who care deeply about social justice put way, way more energy into actually trying to find ways to engage with their most structurally disadvantaged students. And the anti-CRT activists are blowing up non-issues to incite moral panic.
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2021, 10:20:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2021, 11:00:59 PM
I'm also confused by any implication that I'm a "CRT proponent" when clearly I'm just making fun of people going off the deep end against it.
If it was unclear I was only talking about stuff I’ve seen online. I did lump in your comment with what I’ve seen in general but wasn’t suggesting you had a particular stance on it. Has it even come up here before? I also said I don’t disagree at all with what you said, I do agree that conservatives are railing against a strawman right now.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2021, 11:01:55 PM
My frame of reference is the school district my wife teaches in - she is known as one of the most 'activist' teachers in the district, was VP of her local teacher's union this past year and is favored to win a place on the executive board of the state teacher's union this summer. She teaches in a 90-95% white school that is consistently named among the top school districts in Maine. She, and many of our friends who are also activist-y teachers in the state, pretty much uniformly believe CRT should not be taught in schools, because there are almost no students who understand what any critical social theory is, let alone one with as much nuance as CRT. However, a local parent recently made his way onto Brietbart and then was interviewed on Tucker Carlson saying his kids are being taught that they're racist and are being indoctrinated with the CRT agenda that the superintendent, school board, and liberal-arts educated teachers are forcing down student throats. So it's a bizarre dichotomy in which everyone involved things CRT is inappropriate for schools, but a small group of incredibly vocal parents are getting their voices amplified by national media to create this insane buzz around the dangers of CRT.
Meanwhile, in the classroom, teachers in the district are mostly focused on just getting lowest performing students up to standards, elevating performance for highest performing students, and just keeping students engaged. A couple of teachers have independently tried to incorporate ideas that racism may exist in society today, and talking about the recency of real institutional racism - asking students why they believe their community is 90-95% white, for instance. My wife also leads a study abroad program in Japan, so she tries to inform some of those kids what it will feel like to be in a 'minority' group in Japan when many of them have hardly left the state of Maine. The prevailing idea that the activist teachers hope that some of their students will get is that people of color may experience life differently than white people even when they live in the same communities, and that there have historically been institutionalized systems of racism keeping people segregated, and some of that happened within living memory. As a language teacher, most of my wife's work is just pointing out the fact that there are non-white speakers of the language she teaches, and introduces some basic cultural facts about some countries where the language she teaches is the dominant language (she does a chocolate making mini-unit, and a pirates of the Caribbean unit, for example). There is no institutional support (or resistance) for including any of this, since there is basically no effort made to standardizing curriculum at the institution level - almost all curricula in the public schools I'm familiar with are determined by teachers. My wife in particular really focuses on trying to get students to critically analyze in any capacity, having any conversation with any student that involves literally any critical judgement about anything is usually the highlight of her day (is it wrong to steal treasure? do you sympathize more with the pirates or the pirate catchers?). She does no lecturing about non-language material, but uses these discussions to facilitate engagement and intra-classroom communication, and get college-bound kids prepared for how to discuss critical ideas in classrooms.
For the record, my wife taught both of the Tucker Carlson's interviewee's kids, they supposedly loved her and she really liked them, partially for their nerdy, SJW-y approach in the classroom. This year, on the last day of school, my wife got a handwritten note from a sixth grader written on a piece of paper that said she was the only reason why the sixth grader was able to 'feel happy in their body' and remembered how to smile this past year. She is also certainly one of the people who is being targeted by the Tucker Carlson interviewee, although she hasn't yet been receiving threatening phone calls in the middle of the night or had pictures of her classroom, room number, and her face posted on facebook with 'we're coming for you' messaging like some of her coworkers.
Which is all to say, I don't think CRT actually exists in public schools the way that people say it does, especially at institutional levels, because no student has the capacity to learn it, and very, very few teachers are going to put the work into actually teaching it, especially when the teachers who care deeply about social justice put way, way more energy into actually trying to find ways to engage with their most structurally disadvantaged students. And the anti-CRT activists are blowing up non-issues to incite moral panic.
Dude. Tailgate. This year.
Thank you for the honest and nuanced response.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 18, 2021, 12:10:44 AM
I'm also confused by any implication that I'm a "CRT proponent" when clearly I'm just making fun of people going off the deep end against it.
Lmao
If it was unclear I was only talking about stuff I’ve seen online. I did lump in your comment with what I’ve seen in general but wasn’t suggesting you had a particular stance on it. Has it even come up here before? I also said I don’t disagree at all with what you said, I do agree that conservatives are railing against a strawman right now.
Yup, its "conservatives railing against a strawman"
Heyyyyy wait a second.
https://johnmcwhorter.substack.com/p/you-are-not-a-racist-to-criticize
The idea that its merely conservatives taking issue with this is as flagrantly false as certain assertions that this isn't being taught in public schools.
As indicated in Loudon County Virginia, if anyone is being targeted its parents speaking out against this insidious nonsense being spewed as fact with absolutely no room for dissent.
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2021, 07:10:42 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 18, 2021, 07:47:43 AM
What's next, race theory death panels?
Nah, just third graders being compelled to label themselves according to "social identities" in MATH class. That's sure to bring our woeful education stats when it comes to math and science up to par.
https://christopherrufo.com/woke-elementary/
Anyway, here's more of those reactionary racists strawmanning and maligning this shitty, racist ideology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzdEa-MLang
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2021, 09:32:16 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 18, 2021, 09:53:39 AM
This is the part where I TyPe LiKe ThiS and make jokes about Salon and Huffington post
No, that's just the part where rather then address anything being said you reveal that you're still clearly harboring some sort of grudge/animosity.
Remember, I didn't strike a nerve though.
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2021, 11:41:39 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 18, 2021, 11:48:51 AM
Hey did you guys hear democrat-run cities are instituting Sharia law too? Also an extremely real thing that is happening and not something fluffed up to upset useful idiots.
It's just absolutely amazing you keep making this contention despite repeated evidence that kids are being taught segregationist poison at formative ages, and in classes that don't have excrement to do with social sciences in general.
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2021, 01:57:59 PM
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2021, 02:16:03 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 19, 2021, 08:03:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/59jB7T5.png)
the left can't meme.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 19, 2021, 08:11:48 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 19, 2021, 08:49:14 AM
Conservatives are probably a little uneasy about the left creating new curriculums after they had been making a push to teach the last few years that you can change your gender anytime you want.
The self own in this post is spectacular.
Post by: ons on June 19, 2021, 01:57:16 PM
Heyyyyy wait a second.
https://johnmcwhorter.substack.com/p/you-are-not-a-racist-to-criticize
The idea that its merely conservatives taking issue with this is as flagrantly false as certain assertions that this isn't being taught in public schools.
As indicated in Loudon County Virginia, if anyone is being targeted its parents speaking out against this insidious nonsense being spewed as fact with absolutely no room for dissent.
I appreciate John McWhorter tremendously, I own a couple of his books from my undergrad days and go back to them with relative frequency, his etymological work on Black English is fascinating, and I'd be thrilled to read more of his content around the continued blending/utilization of Black English in 'influencer culture'. I think he fails to take the larger view in his examination of CRT, however, because of his own stakes in his personal and professional narrative. The arguments that you are coopting through him and that video link are critical race theory. The idea that a social ideology ("woke activism") combined with an intersection of institutions and laws (affirmative action, the civil rights act, equity-oriented hiring strategies) are creating poor outcomes for people of color (teaching them that they don't have self-efficacy and that they are perpetual victims) - is all critical race theory.
Now, a lot of people will invoke no-true-scotsman type fallacies and try to create more rigid definitions of their ideal vision of the outcomes of crt, but the act of engaging in a critical examination of how the intersections of societal narratives, laws, and institutions impact poc is literally all critical race theory. By engaging is this debate you are engaging in the practice of crt.
The reason why crt is more appropriate in college curricula is that it is extremely difficult to spend the time in a public school to work your way through the critical examinations of the intersections of social factors, history, and law on individuals and populations.
Finally, I will admit I do not pay much attention to the cases that find their way to national media regarding CRT, so I have absolutely no background in what is happening in Loudon County Virginia. Especially after I've seen so many facts distorted in the transition from classroom to media outlet first-hand, I don't find it interesting or useful to try to piece together what is happening in districts where I have no real vested interest. That being said, I do not doubt for an instance that shitty teachers are crudely and disastrously implementing poorly thought out units that emphasize race around the country. I will always attribute that to shitty/inconsistent standards in training, professional development, and compensation among public school teachers in this country. You pay teachers more and pay more for professional development, and you get fewer instances of shitty teachers who try to engage with poorly thought out political agendas in the classroom.
tldr - John McWhorter actively does CRT, and you get better teachers and school districts with more investment in education.
Post by: ons on June 19, 2021, 02:02:18 PM
Dude. Tailgate. This year.
Definitely under consideration
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2021, 03:14:27 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 25, 2021, 05:01:31 PM
Chauvin got 22 and a half years for the murder of George Floyd.
Let's be honest dude ain't leaving prison alive
So I don't think it matters too much what the sentence is.
Post by: delavan on June 25, 2021, 05:13:33 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 25, 2021, 05:46:07 PM
22.5 years? Meaning this 45 year old son of a bitch could conceivably be eligible for 'good behavior' parole when he's 56?
Yes.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 26, 2021, 01:38:11 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 26, 2021, 02:32:00 PM
So all of a sudden we shouldn't be letting murderers out of prison earlier?Honest question. How often do murderers get parole in their first try? I have no idea.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 26, 2021, 03:31:05 PM
Let's be honest dude ain't leaving prison alive
So I don't think it matters too much what the sentence is.
Chauvin will never set foot in general pop
Post by: dcm1602 on June 26, 2021, 03:55:42 PM
Chauvin will never set foot in general pop
Even if he ends up in some fancy special prison, I imagine he has a huge target on his back.
And if they basically hide him in some kinds bubble/solitary kinda thing I think the odds of him doing it himself drastically go up (I have to imagine the odds of that happening are already extreme)
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 26, 2021, 04:42:00 PM
Even if he ends up in some fancy special prison, I imagine he has a huge target on his back.
And if they basically hide him in some kinds bubble/solitary kinda thing I think the odds of him doing it himself drastically go up (I have to imagine the odds of that happening are already extreme)
If only there was something in between Gen Pop and solitary where high profile prisoners who are at a greater risk of serious bodily harm or death could be assigned while serving there sentence. It's a shame that multiple prison systems haven't already thought of that.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 26, 2021, 06:09:17 PM
If only there was something in between Gen Pop and solitary where high profile prisoners who are at a greater risk of serious bodily harm or death could be assigned while serving there sentence. It's a shame that multiple prison systems haven't already thought of that.They should sentence him to being a Jets fan.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 26, 2021, 06:29:36 PM
If only there was something in between Gen Pop and solitary where high profile prisoners who are at a greater risk of serious bodily harm or death could be assigned while serving there sentence. It's a shame that multiple prison systems haven't already thought of that.
Regardless this man has been painted as the biggest villan to Americans since probably freaking Hitler. This dude went from living a presumably ordinary shitty life, to complete hell for what had transpired.
You'd have to think the olds are overwhelming he will attempt something
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2021, 10:49:39 PM
Regardless this man has been painted as the biggest villan to Americans since probably freaking Hitler. This dude went from living a presumably ordinary shitty life, to complete hell for what had transpired.Can you be his prison pen pal to make sure he does?
You'd have to think the olds are overwhelming he will attempt something
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2021, 10:25:00 AM
That's messed up
Post by: Badger on August 05, 2021, 09:39:08 PM
Why did these mean workers deface this sweet CEO's property? :'(
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2021, 09:49:20 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/08/04/fleishers-closed-after-staff-walks-out-over-blm-sign-removal/
Why did these mean workers deface this sweet CEO's property? :'(
Sounds like a bunch of whiney bitches crying because their boss didn't want political signs in the window, during one of the most polarizing political times in the world.
And now they don't feel safe? This is straight cancel culture.
If the company was willing to put up Trump signs in the window but not something on the other side of the aisle, at least you can begin to make a shitty argument.
I just hope none of them are eligible for enhanced unemployment welfare
Post by: delavan on August 06, 2021, 09:28:05 AM
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2021, 10:00:35 AM
Sounds like a bunch of whiney bitches crying because their boss didn't want political signs in the window, during one of the most polarizing political times in the world.
Stating that black lives matter is only political to bigots.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 06, 2021, 10:03:53 AM
Stating that black lives matter is only political to bigots.
Not when others refuse to differentiate between the phrase and the shitty hack organization that bogarted it.
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2021, 10:11:10 AM
Not when others refuse to differentiate between the phrase and the shitty hack organization that bogarted it.Right, they need to include a smaller sign underneath explaining that so they don't upset the bigots.
Post by: ons on August 06, 2021, 10:45:59 AM
Wonder what Upton Sinclair's take on this would be
"These men have the mentality of birds of prey. They are exploiters, to whom men and women are commodities; they are gamblers, so fixed in the habit that they cannot find recreation save in trying to win one another's money. Their idea of meeting this depression is to sit tight and wait for the storm to blow over. That this means hundreds of thousands of our people sentenced to slow extermination troubles the masters not at all. So long as the masses submit, they despise them; and when they revolt, they send the police with machine-guns and poison gas."
"Private ownership of tools, a basis of freedom when tools are simple, becomes a basis of enslavement when tools are complex"
"The existence of luxury in the presence of poverty and destitution is contrary to good morals and sound public policy"
"The remedy is to give the workers access to the means of production, and let them produce for themselves, not for others"
Upton Sinclair, probably
Post by: mj2sexay on August 06, 2021, 10:52:53 AM
Right, they need to include a smaller sign underneath explaining that so they don't upset the bigots.
Yes I agree, the members of the formal political organization are bigots. And hypocrites for that matter, but don't let that stop Cori Bush justifying spending thousands upon thousands on private security as she seeks to continue to "defund the police.'
Post by: dcm1602 on August 06, 2021, 04:36:51 PM
Stating that black lives matter is only political to bigots.
So would you go to a butcher of their entrance window was covered with signs that said praise Jesus, had evangelical pictures and nonsense all over it? Or are you a religious bigot?
Because you damn well know BLM is literally a political organization.
Regardless there's countless polls out there that show how highly politicized the BLM movement is and that anything even associatable with the organization would have an impact on potential consumers
Post by: bojanglesman on August 06, 2021, 05:18:37 PM
So would you go to a butcher of their entrance window was covered with signs that said praise Jesus, had evangelical pictures and nonsense all over it? Or are you a religious bigot?If it's a good butcher, I don't care what sign he or she has up as long as it isn't a Pats flag.
Because you damn well know BLM is literally a political organization.
Regardless there's countless polls out there that show how highly politicized the BLM movement is and that anything even associatable with the organization would have an impact on potential consumers
Post by: dcm1602 on August 06, 2021, 05:40:13 PM
If it's a good butcher, I don't care what sign he or she has up as long as it isn't a Pats flag.
It's hard to tell from this board, but you don't seem like a highly political person.
Do you think Badger would go to a butcher with a huge Trump sign in the window?
This country is extremely polarized, it's a no brainer that unless you have some kind of niche catering to a specific political base probably isn't a good thing.
And data is going to garbled because of the pandemic but I imagine the NBA will continue to be a prime example
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2021, 10:54:30 PM
So would you go to a butcher of their entrance window was covered with signs that said praise Jesus, had evangelical pictures and nonsense all over it? Or are you a religious bigot?
If the meat's good, sure
Woke butcher shop isn't any less capitalist than a Trump fan one
Post by: delavan on August 07, 2021, 11:29:17 AM
"These men have the mentality of birds of prey. They are exploiters, to whom men and women are commodities; they are gamblers, so fixed in the habit that they cannot find recreation save in trying to win one another's money. Their idea of meeting this depression is to sit tight and wait for the storm to blow over. That this means hundreds of thousands of our people sentenced to slow extermination troubles the masters not at all. So long as the masses submit, they despise them; and when they revolt, they send the police with machine-guns and poison gas."
"Private ownership of tools, a basis of freedom when tools are simple, becomes a basis of enslavement when tools are complex"
"The existence of luxury in the presence of poverty and destitution is contrary to good morals and sound public policy"
"The remedy is to give the workers access to the means of production, and let them produce for themselves, not for others"
Upton Sinclair, probably
'Aye' Governor (of Calif.)
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Post by: CatoTheElder on September 01, 2021, 12:10:53 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/01/elijah-mcclain-grand-jury/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/01/elijah-mcclain-grand-jury/)
Post by: delavan on September 01, 2021, 12:18:54 PM
Cops, paramedics who arrested and Elijag McClain indicted.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/01/elijah-mcclain-grand-jury/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/01/elijah-mcclain-grand-jury/)
Tragic - let justice be served
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Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2021, 12:39:13 PM
You don't need that slippery slope excrement where you start making medical providers hesitant about providing care because they're worried about getting arrested for freaking manslaughter
Post by: Badger on September 01, 2021, 12:47:58 PM
Indicting police is one thing, but when they start Indicting paramedics you better have a real freaking strong case.
You don't need that slippery slope excrement where you start making medical providers hesitant about providing care because they're worried about getting arrested for freaking manslaughter
Providing care = injecting ketamine into a guy the cops just brutalized
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2021, 12:51:14 PM
Providing care = injecting ketamine into a guy the cops just brutalized
Yeah why would you want to calm someone down who is probably freaking out while still getting attacked by the police
Post by: Badger on September 01, 2021, 12:52:53 PM
Yeah why would you want to calm someone down who is probably freaking out while getting attacked by the police"The report also notes that first responders injected McClain with an inappropriately large dose of ketamine “based on a grossly inaccurate and inflated estimate of Mr. McClain’s size,” without attempting to “examine or question” him first. “At the time of the injection,” the report states, “Mr. McClain had not moved or made any sounds for about one minute.”
I heard having a blood pressure of 300/180 is probably good for you
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2021, 12:59:28 PM
"The report also notes that first responders injected McClain with an inappropriately large dose of ketamine “based on a grossly inaccurate and inflated estimate of Mr. McClain’s size,” without attempting to “examine or question” him first. “At the time of the injection,” the report states, “Mr. McClain had not moved or made any sounds for about one minute.”
The article mentioned it was enoguh ketamine for someone 1.5 tines his size. I'd hardly call that "grossly inaccurate" and I highly doubt it's standard protocol anywhere for paramedics to ask a highly agitated alleged purpotrator what their height and weight is in the moment.
If the victim was not moving for over a minute that's a different situation, tho apparently thats in the official report.
But so is this
Neither the
Panel, nor the coroner,
796 found conclusive evidence that the ketamine administered to Mr.
McClain was a direct cause of, or even contributed to, his death. Specifically, there was no
evidence that had the weight estimation been accurate, that the outcome would have been any
different
Post by: delavan on September 21, 2021, 11:59:18 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10005421/Black-Texas-women-filmed-attacking-NYC-restaurant-hostess-say-racially-profiled.html
One story, two accounts.
Post by: Johnny English on September 21, 2021, 12:17:30 PM
Still, it's not surprising that a famous and moderately expensive restaurant in the heart of New York would be unused to black people and how to treat them appropriately. This is definitely all about a racist hostess.
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Post by: dcm1602 on September 21, 2021, 01:20:36 PM
Lawyer doing lawyerly things by referring to her as Dr Rankin, when in fact she is a "Texas businesswoman with a doctorate in education", which is "a professional doctorate best suited for experienced educators and mid- to senior-level working professionals who want to lead and implement change within their organization". So not so much a doctor, more a corporate middle manager with a couple of letters.
Still, it's not surprising that a famous and moderately expensive restaurant in the heart of New York would be unused to black people and how to treat them appropriately. This is definitely all about a racist hostess.
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So it's clearly the hostess fault?
If this exact same identical thing happened, except the victims were crazy Trumper anti vaxxers, would you come to the same conclusion?
I'm sure it's very possible that the hostess is some kind of poopchute. But irrespective of race I'd imagine that in a scenario like this 9/10 times the patron is the problem.
I just find it hard to imagine that a hostess at a very famous restaurant in NYC that probably serves thousands of black people a year decided to go punch 3 black women on the face because they didn't bring their vaxx cards.
I think everyone on this board would agree to this one single point. That we should all profile antivaxxers as a bunch of ignorant freaking morons and they should never get the benefit of the doubt.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 21, 2021, 01:22:06 PM
So it's clearly the hostess fault?
If this exact same identical thing happened, except the victims were crazy Trumper anti vaxxers, would you come to the same conclusion?
I'm sure it's very possible that the hostess is some kind of poopchute. But irrespective of race I'd imagine that in a scenario like this 9/10 times the patron is the problem.
I just find it hard to imagine that a hostess at a very famous restaurant in NYC that probably serves thousands of black people a year decided to go punch 3 black women on the face because they didn't bring their vaxx cards.
I think everyone on this board would agree to this one single point. That we should all profile antivaxxers as a bunch of ignorant freaking morons and they should never get the benefit of the doubt.
Mods, please install a sarcasm button.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 21, 2021, 01:23:28 PM
Mods, please install a sarcasm button.
It's the vaccines.
They make my brain not work
Post by: dcm1602 on September 21, 2021, 01:25:15 PM
Do we just call anything unfortunate that happens involving a black person racial profiling irrespective of it making sense?
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 21, 2021, 01:34:54 PM
Post by: delavan on September 21, 2021, 01:59:56 PM
I just find it hard to imagine that a hostess at a very famous restaurant in NYC that probably serves thousands of black people a year decided to go punch 3 black women on the face because they didn't bring their vaxx cards.
I just find it curious that in a story in which race was a bone of contention that one of the sources (NYT) described the hostess as 'unidentified' while the other source identified her (if not by name) as Asian. And props to the peacemaker rocking the droopy sweats over the red BVDs - elite satorialism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq8DLxrlkpM
Post by: MBGreen on September 21, 2021, 02:01:43 PM
It's the vaccines.
They make my brain not work
this is happening to you in other threads as well.
Post by: Badger on October 03, 2021, 10:36:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 03, 2021, 11:16:55 PM
https://twitter.com/ScottHech/status/1444781526172983302?s=19
Way too many things to address and I'm not that interested in dissecting all of them.
But saying bad things about George Floyd doesn't make someone a racist.
100% there's other things in the article that are legitimately racist, but it seems like the article implies that anyone who doesn't think George Floyd > Mother Theresa is a Grand Marshall in the klan
Post by: Badger on October 03, 2021, 11:19:46 PM
Way too many things to address and I'm not that interested in dissecting all of them.Thank you for the perfunctory contrarian take
But saying bad things about George Floyd doesn't make someone a racist.
100% there's other things in the article that are legitimately racist, but it seems like the article implies that anyone who doesn't think George Floyd > Mother Theresa is a Grand Marshall in the klan
Post by: dcm1602 on October 03, 2021, 11:35:01 PM
Thank you for the perfunctory contrarian take
I wasn't going so far as to be contrarian. But pointing out the author being blatantly biased and having an agenda.
It would be like me saying anyone who says Donald Trump is an idiot is a racist.
That's a retarded point of view.
Anyone can easily look up Floyd's history online and determine their own opinion about him, without race being the primary motivator
Post by: delavan on October 04, 2021, 02:58:32 AM
I wasn't going so far as to be contrarian. But pointing out the author being blatantly biased and having an agenda.
It would be like me saying anyone who says Donald Trump is an idiot is a racist.
That's a retarded point of view.
Anyone can easily look up Floyd's history online and determine their own opinion about him, without race being the primary motivator
Author may be agenda-driven but that doesn't mean NYFD doesn't have a sizable segment of racist 'Paddy's' in their ranks.
As for Geo. Floyd, while he may not have been prince charming you have to recognize what he represents big picture-wise:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_George_Floyd#/media/File:George_Floyd_neck_knelt_on_by_police_officer.png
Post by: dcm1602 on October 04, 2021, 03:24:44 AM
Prrrrrtttttt
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2021, 09:26:23 AM
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NBC News
@NBCNews
· 8h
Attorneys for Kyle Rittenhouse, who is charged with fatally shooting 2 people during a protest in Wisconsin last year, argue hunting laws allowed the teenager to carry the assault weapon used during the shootings. https://nbcnews.to/2Yrjplm
lol
Post by: bojanglesman on October 08, 2021, 09:49:33 AM
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lol
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2021, 11:19:39 AM
Ah, the "most dangerous game" defense.
lol
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2021, 11:24:51 AM
Ah, the "most dangerous game" defense.
I guess "huntin coons" in Wisconsin has more than one meaning according to these lawyers.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 08, 2021, 11:29:54 AM
I guess "huntin coons" in Wisconsin has more than one meaning according to these lawyers.
I suppose it doesn't make a difference that his "victims" were white.
Reminder, this all happened because a guy with a third degree sexual assault warrant decided to fight the cops and then went for a knife, and somehow that's cause to riot and burn down private businesses in Kenosha.
Can't wait to see this kid be found innocent of first degree murder.
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2021, 11:33:48 AM
I suppose it doesn't make a difference that his "victims" were white.
All lives matter, right?
Post by: mj2sexay on October 08, 2021, 11:35:06 AM
All lives matter, right?
Not to me, I'm more of a No Lives Matter type.
We're all meaningless worker bees.
Post by: delavan on October 08, 2021, 01:47:51 PM
As for the charges facing him, the fact that Rittenhouse crossed state lines "to get to where he was going" (and with a semi-automatic weapon in tow no less) sure as hell isn't going to help his case where 'intent' (i.e. 1st degree) is concerned. What jerk even thinks about crossing state lines armed?
Further, just for the sake of argument, as a "responsible gun-owner" I would think he'd take pride in his ability to handle his weapon in a manageable, controlled manner meaning that at worse he could've held them at bay and if need be plug them in the feet, i.e. "get away from me--dance mofo, dance!". Conversely, if these protestors attacked a guy they knew was holding a rifle then they themselves had a screw loose (i.e. the proverbial never bring fists or even a knife to a gun fight). No way this yahoo's walking..
Post by: mj2sexay on October 08, 2021, 01:51:18 PM
Drone on. Rittenhouse is a Dylann Roof-type psycho who had no business being there in the first place.
This is the height of hyperbole.
Further, I absolutely do not buy the "no business being there" argument. In the balance of equities, he had more right to be there then those who were taking it upon themselves to burn businesses and residences in the ground because some poopchute got shot after fighting cops and going for a knife.
Post by: delavan on October 08, 2021, 03:17:03 PM
This is the height of hyperbole.
Further, I absolutely do not buy the "no business being there" argument.
In the balance of equities, he had more right to be there then those who were taking it upon themselves to burn businesses and residences in the ground because some poopchute got shot after fighting cops and going for a knife.
Are you kidding? What federal agency authorized/deputized a 17 year old KID to traverse state lines armed with a semi-automatic weapon?
The "taking it upon themselves" part also has no bearing on Rittenhouse's ill-presumed right to serve as an "out-of-state" deadly force deterrent. Supposed good intentions be damned, that Illinois kid had no right playing Pinkerton over in Wisconsin. You of all people should acknowledge individual state's rights against (in this case) a 'foreign' interloper.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 08, 2021, 03:24:11 PM
Playing Pinkerton
New band name, called it!
Post by: mj2sexay on October 08, 2021, 03:26:16 PM
Are you kidding? What federal agency authorized/deputized a 17 year old KID to traverse state lines armed with a semi-automatic weapon?
The "taking it upon themselves" part also has no bearing on Rittenhouse's ill-presumed right to serve as an "out-of-state" deadly force deterrent. Supposed good intentions be damned, that Illinois kid had no right playing Pinkerton over in Wisconsin. You of all people should acknowledge individual state's rights against (in this case) a 'foreign' interloper.
By this logic, who authorized a bunch of assholes setting their own community on fire?!?!
Post by: delavan on October 09, 2021, 09:49:31 AM
By this logic, who authorized a bunch of assholes setting their own community on fire?!?!
No one. Your point?
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2021, 06:38:25 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2021, 07:14:08 PM
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/26/1049458617/kyle-rittenhouse-victims-arsonists-looters-judge-ruled
Post by: delavan on October 26, 2021, 07:18:17 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 26, 2021, 09:15:40 PM
I'm guessing the prosecution's next plan will be to just refer to them by name in order to humanize them.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 26, 2021, 10:00:19 PM
This seems fine.
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/26/1049458617/kyle-rittenhouse-victims-arsonists-looters-judge-ruled
Maybe yall have some law degrees.
But my understanding is law is usually based on precedent, and I'd wager there has been hundreds of thousands, more likely millions of cases where it's been argued and debated about whether victims can be called victims or not (the article even briefly alludes to this fact)
People are presumed innocent until found guilty and are supposed to be given some semblance of a fair trial.
The dudes obviously going to go to prison for likely the rest of his life, there's no need for anyone to allude to this being some racial conspiracy theory
Post by: Badger on October 26, 2021, 10:33:46 PM
Maybe yall have some law degrees.https://youtu.be/V74Jd6cdfYw
But my understanding is law is usually based on precedent, and I'd wager there has been hundreds of thousands, more likely millions of cases where it's been argued and debated about whether victims can be called victims or not (the article even briefly alludes to this fact)
People are presumed innocent until found guilty and are supposed to be given some semblance of a fair trial.
The dudes obviously going to go to prison for likely the rest of his life, there's no need for anyone to allude to this being some racial conspiracy theory
Post by: mj2sexay on October 27, 2021, 09:30:49 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 27, 2021, 09:32:24 AM
I can't wait to see this kid get acquitted.
My bet is he'll get convicted but get a slap on the wrist. Nothing of any real consequence will happen.
Post by: delavan on October 27, 2021, 05:57:30 PM
Ok Judge Punster, instead of 'victim' how about projectile recipients? Or better yet since they had some 'skin in the game' (or vice-versa as it were) why not ask the recipients themselves what they'd like to be called? Dead motherfuckers? No longer living sons of bitches?
Post by: Badger on October 28, 2021, 06:57:57 AM
"The word 'victim' is a loaded, loaded word. And I think 'alleged victim' is a cousin to it." - Judge Bruce SchroederBullet sponges
Ok Judge Punster, instead of 'victim' how about projectile recipients? Or better yet since they had some 'skin in the game' (or vice-versa as it were) why not ask the recipients themselves what they'd like to be called? Dead motherfuckers? No longer living sons of bitches?
Post by: mj2sexay on November 04, 2021, 03:37:05 PM
I can't wait to see this kid get acquitted.
https://twitter.com/jordylancaster/status/1456336920099885066
freaking LOL who is this idiot ADA and how could he be that unprepared? NEVER ask a question you don't know the answer. Basic trial practice 101.
Post by: delavan on November 05, 2021, 01:13:04 PM
https://twitter.com/jordylancaster/status/1456336920099885066
freaking LOL who is this idiot ADA and how could he be that unprepared?
NEVER ask a question you don't know the answer.
Basic trial practice 101.
While true, the witnesses' testimony here sure as hell doesn't support Rittenhouse's self-defense claims.
Post by: delavan on November 09, 2021, 12:04:07 AM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1457796153982926855
Post by: Badger on November 10, 2021, 11:30:24 AM
https://twitter.com/cathyrusson/status/1458470303747964928?t=BF7-ZkWjMNvXgiG_AQvq4A&s=19
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 11:32:46 AM
hunting people
https://twitter.com/cathyrusson/status/1458470303747964928?t=BF7-ZkWjMNvXgiG_AQvq4A&s=19
Yup, that's what he did.
Can't wait until this kid becomes Kyle Acquittenhouse.
Post by: Johnny English on November 10, 2021, 12:12:36 PM
Look at this bitch cry about hunting people
https://twitter.com/cathyrusson/status/1458470303747964928?t=BF7-ZkWjMNvXgiG_AQvq4A&s=19
Hey, that's very unfair of you. You should know that civilians aren't allowed to carry firearms in a courthouse, and the world is a vewwy vewwy scawwey place when you don't have your big shooty boomstick to protect you.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 10, 2021, 01:11:24 PM
The kid was out in the streets playing Call of Duty.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 01:13:50 PM
I just can't imagine defending this absolute loser that told people he was acting as a medic.
The kid was out in the streets playing Call of Duty.
I just can't imagine being this utterly propagandized that after a full on trial in which video evidence is shown clearly displaying that this isn't the case that this is still someone's take.
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2021, 01:26:20 PM
I just can't imagine being this utterly propagandized that after a full on trial in which video evidence is shown clearly displaying that this isn't the case that this is still someone's take.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211110/5ba3593ab069c4700f8288ecd56033a7.jpg)
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 01:31:03 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211110/5ba3593ab069c4700f8288ecd56033a7.jpg)
Yeah, I thought so.
Every freaking narrative that was fueled by an utterly dishonest media and actually parroted by the absolute potato in the oval office has been debunked. Ad nauseum.
The "white supremacist" who was actively stationed outside of a minority owned business in an effort to ensure their business didn't go up in flames.
The "white supremacist" who shot three other white people (one of whom was a pedo, the other a serial abuser of women. Amazing how these "peaceful protests" are just stocked with societies finest).
As a reminder, the entire protest was fueled by a complete false narrative re: sweet innocent Jacob Blake.
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2021, 01:52:40 PM
Yeah, I thought so.
Every freaking narrative that was fueled by an utterly dishonest media and actually parroted by the absolute potato in the oval office has been debunked. Ad nauseum.
The "white supremacist" who was actively stationed outside of a minority owned business in an effort to ensure their business didn't go up in flames.
The "white supremacist" who shot three other white people (one of whom was a pedo, the other a serial abuser of women. Amazing how these "peaceful protests" are just stocked with societies finest).
As a reminder, the entire protest was fueled by a complete false narrative re: sweet innocent Jacob Blake.
You probably supported the clowns responsible for the Greensboro Massacre too.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 01:57:03 PM
You probably supported the clowns responsible for the Greensboro Massacre too.
Is this a serious comment? Honestly. I want to know if you're that freaking stupid to make such an idiotic equivalence which actually totally minimizes said massacre.
"As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell him nothing, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to believe it..."
-Yuri Bezmenov.
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2021, 02:04:17 PM
Is this a serious comment? Honestly. I want to know if you're that freaking stupid to make such an idiotic equivalence which actually totally minimizes said massacre.
"As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell him nothing, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to believe it..."
-Yuri Bezmenov.
The similarities between your allegiance to Shittenhouse and the Greensboro massacre are astoundingly accurate.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 10, 2021, 02:05:47 PM
Great quote to summarize how the US reacted to Trump.
"As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell him nothing, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to believe it..."
-Yuri Bezmenov.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 10, 2021, 02:10:29 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 02:19:54 PM
The similarities between your allegiance to Shittenhouse and the Greensboro massacre are astoundingly accurate.
There's literally no correlation between the two, but take some stock in the fact that based on nothing but misinformation you want this kid to spend the rest of his life in jail. This is as clear cut a self-defense case as it gets at this point. Prosecutions "star witness" literally testified that Rittenhouse didn't shoot until he pointed a freaking gun at him.
Great quote to summarize how the US reacted to Trump.
You're 100 percent right about this, just not in the way you think you are. See: people STILL going on about MuH rUsSiA despite the Steele dossier being proven to be an unobjective fraud.
It's also directly applicable to this situation where people have their talking points ready to go despite the facts being clearly laid out.
It's a shame Rittenhouse didn't shoot Sandmann
Sandmann. Another fine example of people being shown clear fact and still running with their shitlib narrative. So glad that kid is probably lighting up a fine cuban with a c-note right now, he deserves every penny.
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2021, 02:21:43 PM
There's literally no correlation between the two, but take some stock in the fact that based on nothing but misinformation you want this kid to spend the rest of his life in jail. This is as clear cut a self-defense case as it gets at this point. Prosecutions "star witness" literally testified that Rittenhouse didn't shoot until he pointed a freaking gun at him.
You're 100 percent right about this, just not in the way you think you are. See: people STILL going on about MuH rUsSiA despite the Steele dossier being proven to be an unobjective fraud.
It's also directly applicable to this situation where people have their talking points ready to go despite the facts being clearly laid out.
Sandmann. Another fine example of people being shown clear fact and still running with their shitlib narrative. So glad that kid is probably lighting up a fine cuban with a cigar right now, he deserves every penny.
Rittenhouse shouldn't have had a weapon to begin with. See how this works?
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 02:23:57 PM
Rittenhouse shouldn't have had a weapon to begin with. See how this works?
LOL I know, only Gage GrossKreutz should've had a weapon. If he was illegally carrying a weapon, let him eat a weapons charge.
That's a far cry from comparing him to the freaking neo-nazis of the Greesnboro massacre or wanting him jailed for the rest of his life on charges that don't hold any water upon any sort of objective view. See how this works?
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 10, 2021, 02:25:16 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2021, 02:27:17 PM
LOL I know, only Gage GrossKreutz should've had a weapon. If he was illegally carrying a weapon, let him eat a weapons charge.
That's a far cry from comparing him to the freaking neo-nazis of the Greesnboro massacre or wanting him jailed for the rest of his life on charges that don't hold any water upon any sort of objective view. See how this works?
Oh...you read my post wrong. I ascertained that you supported the Greensboro Massacre schmucks due to your unwavering support for Rittenhouse. Reading is fundamental.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 02:29:52 PM
Imagine having Lee Greenwood as your ringtone. So odd.
Can't wait until the focus turns on the lifelong Democrat judge who was a former prosecutor appointed to the position by a Democrat governor because the narrative this whole time couldn't possibly have been complete freaking garbage that was easily debunkable at a second glance.
Bonus points for said Judge being white so obviously this is just another instance of white supremacy in action.
(I agree with you, it's boomerish as freak, but I also see this next frontier in terms of how Rittenhouse "GoT aWAy WiTh MuRdEr" coming a mile away).
Oh...you read my post wrong. I ascertained that you supported the Greensboro Massacre schmucks due to your unwavering support for Rittenhouse. Reading is fundamental.
I didn't read excrement wrong, you're just too stupid to comprehend what you even freaking wrote.
By comparing the two, you're comparing Rittenhouse to those who perpetuated that massacre. See how this works?
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2021, 02:31:43 PM
Can't wait until the focus turns on the lifelong Democrat judge who was a former prosecutor appointed to the position by a Democrat governor because the narrative this whole time couldn't possibly have been complete freaking garbage that was easily debunkable at a second glance.
Bonus points for said Judge being white so obviously this is just another instance of white supremacy in action.
(I agree with you, it's boomerish as freak, but I also see this next frontier in terms of how Rittenhouse "GoT aWAy WiTh MuRdEr" coming a mile away).
I didn't read excrement wrong, you're just too stupid to comprehend what you even freaking wrote.
By comparing the two, you're comparing Rittenhouse to those who perpetuated that massacre. See how this works?
You're still getting it wrong. You must've been near the bottom of your Community College law class.
i said your "support" for Rittenhouse basically means you supported the massacre. It's clear as day.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 02:36:54 PM
i said your "support" for Rittenhouse basically means you supported the massacre. It's clear as day.
Ok, stupid, lets play this through.
How is asserting that if I support Rittenhouse I must have supported the massacre aligned unless you're making the case that Kyle Rittenhouse is the same kind of person that perpetuated the Greensboro Massacre? How do they correlate otherwise? The motivation behind the Kenosha riot vs. the underlying Greensboro protest wasn't even the same unless you think modern day cops are equivalent to the KKK. Which is ludicrous on its face.
It's remarkable how you have a fifty pound head and it's just completely empty.
FWIW, whatever support I'm lending towards Rittenhouse is based on the fact that he's currently staring at life imprisonment on what has amounted to be a politically motivated trial. I am however happy that this instance is somewhat (not really) waking up conservatives that the myth of the do-gooder prosecutor and the scummy defense attorney is a bunch of bullshit, which is something that used to be in-line with a more liberal mode of thinking.
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2021, 02:38:26 PM
Ok, stupid, lets play this through.
How is asserting that if I support Rittenhouse I must have supported the massacre aligned unless you're making the case that Kyle Rittenhouse is the same kind of person that perpetuated the Greensboro Massacre? How do they correlate otherwise? The motivation behind the Kenosha riot vs. the underlying Greesnboro protest wasn't even the same unless you think modern day cops are equivalent to the KKK. Which is ludicrous on its face.
It's remarkable how you have a fifty pound head and it's just completely empty.
I dunno...just seems you support white folks killing other folks with gun violence.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 02:39:43 PM
I dunno...just seems you support white folks killing other folks with gun violence.
"You think Kyle Rittenhouse should be acquitted, you must support the 524 murders in Chicago last year!"
Such sound logic MB, great job.
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2021, 02:41:07 PM
"You think Kyle Rittenhouse should be acquitted, you must support the 524 murders in Chicago last year!"
Such sound logic MB, great job.
Seems fair...and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 02:48:06 PM
Seems fair...and you should be ashamed of yourself.
I'll consider the source on that one, I'm not the one making idiotic comparisons (and I do mean just completely freaking idiotic), and wanting someone to be jailed for life based on what I've been fed from propagandists, especially when said propaganda is so freaking easily debunked if one just wants to take a cursory look at the actual facts.
But who wants to do that? Easier to try to just ignorantly post on the internet for that dopamine hit.
"I want Kyle Rittenhouse to go to jail for life because the media told me that's what I want." Why don't you just freaking say it, because you've yet to make one cogent argument on how this wasn't self defense besides "he shouldn't have had a gun" (lol).
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2021, 02:50:41 PM
I'll consider the source on that one, I'm not the one making idiotic comparisons (and I do mean just completely freaking idiotic), and wanting someone to be jailed for life based on what I've been fed from propagandists, especially when said propaganda is so freaking easily debunked if one just wants to take a cursory look at the actual facts.
But who wants to do that? Easier to try to just ignorantly post on the internet for that dopamine hit.
"I want Kyle Rittenhouse to go to jail for life because the media told me that's what I want." Why don't you just freaking say it, because you've yet to make one cogent argument on how this wasn't self defense besides "he shouldn't have had a gun" (lol).
it wasn't self defense...he killed someone in cold blood.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 02:51:44 PM
it wasn't self defense...he killed someone in cold blood.
LOL, no he didn't. Video and testimonial evidence directly contradict this.
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2021, 02:52:37 PM
LOL, no he didn't. Video and testimonial evidence directly contradict this.
No..the evidence clearly depicted Rittenhouse shooting and killing someone in cold blood.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 02:54:21 PM
No..the evidence clearly depicted Rittenhouse shooting and killing someone in cold blood.
No. It really didn't. I can't even tell if you're trolling at this point because what you're asserting is absurd.
The video evidence clearly shows the pedo chasing Rittenhouse down while screaming he's going to freaking kill him before getting lit up. Huber was attacking him with a skateboard. The only one to survive literally had a freaking gun pointed at him.
For you to even say "the evidence clearly depicted" is such a great example of the quote I laid out earlier. Your narrative is what it is, no amount of fact whether it's via video or testimony will change it.
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2021, 02:54:34 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 02:59:19 PM
Is this the best you can do, MJ? You're basically Lionel Hutz.
I know, how dare I point to the copious amount of video or the last three days of direct witness testimony (the prosecutions witnesses no less LOL) in order to determine someone's guilt or innocence.
As a reminder, Lionel Hutz, AKA Miguel Sanchez AKA Dr. Nguyen van Phuoc actually wins when representing Bart on a murder beef and against Krusty-O's and Homer on his false advertising claim against the Frying Dutchman. But that's why he's the law talkin guy!
Post by: delavan on November 10, 2021, 04:56:47 PM
Are you kidding? What federal agency authorized/deputized a 17 year old KID to traverse state lines armed with a semi-automatic weapon?The above (along with other posts of mine) are indicative of my enmity towards Rittenhouse.
The "taking it upon themselves" part also has no bearing on Rittenhouse's ill-presumed right to serve as an "out-of-state" deadly force deterrent. Supposed good intentions be damned, that Illinois kid had no right playing Pinkerton over in Wisconsin. You of all people should acknowledge individual state's rights against (in this case) a 'foreign' interloper.
That said, what is with these mindless projections/deflections/assumptions and strawmans? Take Rittenhouse to task but pleeze stay on point. And to further underscore the point, what the freak does CNN poster child Sandmann have to do with the price of tea in China. seriously?...
Post by: dcm1602 on November 10, 2021, 06:43:31 PM
Post by: delavan on November 10, 2021, 11:13:17 PM
Why is this a black lives matters thing?
The white-on-white crime's genesis lay in the shooting of Jacob Blake, an African-American. Crackers gone whackers in the land of the Packers.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 11, 2021, 08:45:14 AM
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LeBron James
@KingJames
What tears????? I didn’t see one. Man knock it off! That boy ate some lemon heads before walking into court. 🤣🤣
Post by: mj2sexay on November 11, 2021, 10:20:46 AM
LOL.
Post by: ons on November 11, 2021, 10:22:52 AM
On a personal level, I don't really believe prosecutors in these types of cases should ever bring the most aggressive charges against 17 year olds. From a moral standpoint, imo, it seems like gross overcharging that only ramps up partisan bickering over what should be considered a tragic story. No 17 year old should ever be put in a position to be ending peoples lives in the way that Rittenhouse did, but likewise no 17 year old should be put in prison for decades for making mistakes in the heat of the moment after being enabled by dozens of adults to be in that situation in the first place.
Post by: ons on November 11, 2021, 10:36:46 AM
https://twitter.com/sourpatchlyds/status/1458618145795624960
LOL.
Another tragic part of the story, imo. Rosenbaum was sexually abused as a child by his stepfather, and then perpetuated the cycle by sexually abusing the children in a friend's family he was temporarily living with after he was kicked out of his own house as a teenager. He was charged and sentenced aggressively because of "his risk to recidivate being of great concern" and was in prison for over a decade. Following his release, he battled with mental health issues and homelessness. He was suicidal before his death, and was just released from an acute mental health care medical facility the day of his death.
The criminal justice system took a teen who was treated like excrement by adults and then did shitty things and put him in a place where succeeding was virtually never on the table. I'm sure his violent behavior and shitty decision making was compounded by his decade+ in the prison system. Putting a 17 year old kid who did shitty things in that same system just perpetuates a broken cycle.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 11, 2021, 10:58:04 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 11, 2021, 11:00:02 AM
PROPAGANDA!
Post by: mj2sexay on November 11, 2021, 11:18:35 AM
Another tragic part of the story, imo. Rosenbaum was sexually abused as a child by his stepfather, and then perpetuated the cycle by sexually abusing the children in a friend's family he was temporarily living with after he was kicked out of his own house as a teenager. He was charged and sentenced aggressively because of "his risk to recidivate being of great concern" and was in prison for over a decade. Following his release, he battled with mental health issues and homelessness. He was suicidal before his death, and was just released from an acute mental health care medical facility the day of his death.
The criminal justice system took a teen who was treated like excrement by adults and then did shitty things and put him in a place where succeeding was virtually never on the table. I'm sure his violent behavior and shitty decision making was compounded by his decade+ in the prison system. Putting a 17 year old kid who did shitty things in that same system just perpetuates a broken cycle.
As much as I agree with the spirit of this comment, I have to take issue with equivocating what Rittenhouse did with the sexual assault of minors, and placing the blame solely on the criminal justice system for Rosenbloom's lot in life
He was certainly placed behind the 8 ball due to what happened to him in his youth. So are many other people who don't then turn around and perpetuate the same behavior.
It should've absolutely been a mitigating factor when he was first sentenced as opposed to proof of recidivism, on that we certainly agree.
He and his Mom are pieces of excrement for doing what they did. Whether any laws were technically broken, who knows, I'm not a lawyer. This trial isn't about right and wrong, it's about the law. They aren't always the same thing.
Yup, he's the one who's a piece of excrement and not those rioting and burning down a community because some abusive poopchute went for a knife and got shot.
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PROPAGANDA!
He posed for a picture, jail him for life!
What sound logic.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 11, 2021, 11:24:00 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 11, 2021, 11:24:33 AM
Yup, he's the one who's a piece of excrement and not those rioting and burning down a community because some abusive poopchute went for a knife and got shot.
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about your boy and why he thought it was a great idea to show up to a riot with an AR-15. He is a piece of excrement. So are the other people destroying property. Being a shithead isn't excused because other people are shitheads.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 11, 2021, 11:36:58 AM
Yeah, the three percenters symbol and free as freak t-shirt aren’t telling at all
THE THREE PERCENTERS SYMBOL! Lmao. It's the freaking ok sign, it has been forever, plenty of people on the left use it and this is absolute freaking nonsense.
HE MADE A HAND SIGNAL AND WORE AN OFFENSIVE SHIRT. Lol. When did supposed liberals become the equivalent of church lady/busybodies.
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about your boy and why he thought it was a great idea to show up to a riot with an AR-15. He is a piece of excrement. So are the other people destroying property. Being a shithead isn't excused because other people are shitheads.
A. He's not my boy as much as I recognize politically motivated shams in terms of bringing criminal charges when I see it. That should alarm everyone. Anybody at all fair minded should be absolutely aghast at the prosecution actually trying to use his silence post-arrest as a negative inference.
B. All things considered, it was apparently a wise decision to bring the gun, lest he should've just allowed himself to get the excrement kicked out of him.
C. You're equivocating people (and in the case of the "victims" all violent felons) destroying a city based on bullshit with someone who apparently went to render aid to said community. They are not the same.
D. His mother is a freaking moron.
The entire summer of 2020, people tried to rationalize rioting as if it's any sort of acceptable behavior to effectuate change or there wasn't a demonstrated freaking body count to showcase the fact that innocent people were being seriously and sometimes fatally harmed. In so many instances, the state sat back and let it happen.
This is the logical result. Right or wrong, people aren't going to just stand idly by watching communities get turned to excrement because the state won't step in and do what they should; quell the riots and protect people's safety and property. People don't get to intentionally cause harm and then go, "well what were YOU doing there!?!?!"
Post by: dcm1602 on November 11, 2021, 11:55:51 AM
Another tragic part of the story, imo. Rosenbaum was sexually abused as a child by his stepfather, and then perpetuated the cycle by sexually abusing the children in a friend's family he was temporarily living with after he was kicked out of his own house as a teenager. He was charged and sentenced aggressively because of "his risk to recidivate being of great concern" and was in prison for over a decade. Following his release, he battled with mental health issues and homelessness. He was suicidal before his death, and was just released from an acute mental health care medical facility the day of his death.
The criminal justice system took a teen who was treated like excrement by adults and then did shitty things and put him in a place where succeeding was virtually never on the table. I'm sure his violent behavior and shitty decision making was compounded by his decade+ in the prison system. Putting a 17 year old kid who did shitty things in that same system just perpetuates a broken cycle.
17 years old is irrelevant when you're talking multiple deaths.
I don't think he commuted manslaughter or murder or anything of that. I do think he should spend some time in prison. Not for murder, but as a deterrent to future people being stupid freaking idiots bringing rifles into crowds and realizing there's consequences when people die
Post by: dcm1602 on November 11, 2021, 11:57:24 AM
Yeah, the three percenters symbol and free as freak t-shirt aren’t telling at all
The kids gotten excrement all over as a political symbol. I mean LeBron has to chime in and freaking bully him. It's not unfair that he gets to enjoy the celebrity/hero status from some (I have no freaking idea why he is) when half the country is treating him like he's worse than Hitler
Post by: mj2sexay on November 11, 2021, 12:03:45 PM
The kids gotten excrement all over as a political symbol. I mean LeBron has to chime in and freaking bully him. It's not unfair that he gets to enjoy the celebrity/hero status from some (I have no freaking idea why he is) when half the country is treating him like he's worse than Hitler
LeBron is a demonstratively a total freaking moron.
17 years old is irrelevant when you're talking multiple deaths.
I don't think he commuted manslaughter or murder or anything of that. I do think he should spend some time in prison. Not for murder, but as a deterrent to future people being stupid freaking idiots bringing rifles into crowds and realizing there's consequences when people die
How about we deter people from congregating in a manner in which the motivation is clearly to burn down a freaking city.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 11, 2021, 12:05:33 PM
The kids gotten excrement all over as a political symbol. I mean LeBron has to chime in and freaking bully him. It's not unfair that he gets to enjoy the celebrity/hero status from some (I have no freaking idea why he is) when half the country is treating him like he's worse than HitlerBecause people like MJ want to use guys like Rittenhouse as martyrs. Usually, the murdered are the ones who get martyred, not the murderers, but not in this case.
He's probably just a misguided 17-year old kid with bad influences with easy access to guns (which is probably the bigger problem). It's a sad story all around. Not sure what he thought he could accomplish as a lone gunman here, but he got what he asked for.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 11, 2021, 12:26:05 PM
Because people like MJ want to use guys like Rittenhouse as martyrs. Usually, the murdered are the ones who get martyred, not the murderers, but not in this case.
He's probably just a misguided 17-year old kid with bad influences with easy access to guns (which is probably the bigger problem). It's a sad story all around. Not sure what he thought he could accomplish as a lone gunman here, but he got what he asked for.
The biggest Martyr that I can think of in the last 20-30 years was a freaking drug dealer and drug addict who robbed pregnant chicks at gun point, yet he is worshiped more than mother Theresa and princess Diana freaking combined
I think everyone can agree that American hero's/martyrs of the current generation are a bunch of freaking cunts
Post by: mj2sexay on November 11, 2021, 12:26:26 PM
Because people like MJ want to use guys like Rittenhouse as martyrs. Usually, the murdered are the ones who get martyred, not the murderers, but not in this case.
This is absolute bullshit, but tell me what else I think. I don't want anything to happen besides what should happen after an objective analysis of the law and the facts. Period. I'm not the one operating on false narratives here.
This case is however, yet another example of how the media in their bias creates shitty narratives that are easily debunkable upon a modicum of analysis. They are freaking liars. Flat out.
I don't think I've ever agreed with Ana Kasparian on anything, and even she's calling it out.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 11, 2021, 12:31:16 PM
LeBron is a demonstratively a total freaking moron.
How about we deter people from congregating in a manner in which the motivation is clearly to burn down a freaking city.
I 100% think every single rioter should be imprisoned severely if they're found guilty of being an active participant (whether it's Jan 6 or BLM, or vagina hat heroes)
But a 17 year old kid going into an active freaking mob scene with a rifle is pure criminal idicoy. If he was trying to rescue his trapped grandmama at work or something by all means. But to think he's last action hero means he's probably severely mentally ill and should never touch a gone ever
Post by: mj2sexay on November 11, 2021, 12:40:04 PM
I 100% think every single rioter should be imprisoned severely if they're found guilty of being an active participant (whether it's Jan 6 or BLM, or vagina hat heroes)
But a 17 year old kid going into an active freaking mob scene with a rifle is pure criminal idicoy. If he was trying to rescue his trapped grandmama at work or something by all means. But to think he's last action hero means he's probably severely mentally ill and should never touch a gone ever
It's not criminal idiocy though. It's idiocy to be sure, though even then I'm not totally willing to just castigate people defending others when the state clearly won't step up Letting the mob just destroy is not acceptable.
Tulsi Gabbard said this yesterday and she's 100 percent right; this is what happens when government fails to do its job.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 11, 2021, 12:45:58 PM
It's not criminal idiocy though. It's idiocy to be sure, though even then I'm not totally willing to just castigate people defending others when the state clearly won't step up Letting the mob just destroy is not acceptable.
Tulsi Gabbard said this yesterday and she's 100 percent right; this is what happens when government fails to do its job.
You damn well know if some crazy black panther shot 3 people at the January 6th riots we wouldn't be sitting here saying oh he's totally justified.
I don't think the kids committed some kind of murder related crime. I find it hard to imagine that he didn't violate SOME kind of freaking law though. And if he didn't, then as soon as this trial ends they need to come up with one.
I'm not a gun dude, but I'm not some anti freaking gun loon either. I think common sense suggests that people shouldn't be able to bring a loaded rifle into a freaking crowd, and if someone does and kills people change the freaking law.
(I'm not a legal dude, I'm purely talking in the sense of justice and common sense)
But yes if the kid got 2 years in prison for discharging a firearm within a mile of a school or some obscure law I would say justice was served
Post by: Heismanberg on November 11, 2021, 12:59:47 PM
It's the freaking ok sign
Sure, it is.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 11, 2021, 01:14:56 PM
You damn well know if some crazy black panther shot 3 people at the January 6th riots we wouldn't be sitting here saying oh he's totally justified.
If the facts were exactly the same. If during Jan 6th, someone even ostensibly went there to perform aid as part of a counter protest and found themselves in the situation Rittenhouse was in and acted accordingly, I'd be advocating for the same outcome. I've repeatedly said if there's an applicable gun charge, he should be held accountable on that front. The worst thing we can do is warp criminal prosecutions to align with what we want to see happen out of demographics, ideology, whatever in contravention of the facts.
Wait a second, Ashli Babbitt was literally shot to death after giving the officer that killed her WAY LESS PROVOCATION to do so, and you don't see me out here wanting to hold that officer accountable for murder.
I think people should be able to bring whatever they need to in order to defend themselves from grave danger in volatile situations. I also think those situations arising as a result of government failure to quell them is the larger issue. And while I don't think people should actively seek to insert themselves in said situations, that's absolutely going to happen if the response from government isn't appropriate, and I'm not going to deny them their right to defend themselves when they do so.
It's not an apples to apples comparison because Rittenhouse actively went to a city that was essentially under siege from lunatics, while Ahmaud Arbery by all accounts went out for a jog.
But I wish Arbery had a freaking gun on him, maybe those crazy derriere hicks would have thought twice before blowing him away, or he'd have gotten the jump on them and would still be here.
Sure, it is.
Here's noted white supremacist AOC, can't you tell by the hand signal?!?!
https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/aelbep/shocking_picture_reveals_aoc_as_a_white/
Out of curiosity, why would a white supremacist be actively providing support to a minority owned business during a riot before shooting three white guys?
Post by: mj2sexay on November 11, 2021, 01:51:45 PM
People have the right to retain a a lawyer you freaking pig.
Said witness by the way is a Hispanic independent journalist who testified the first time he saw Rittenhouse he was actively trying to de-escalate a situation, so something something, Hispanic face of white supremacy, something.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 11, 2021, 02:04:06 PM
Sure, it is.Impossible to take him seriously in this argument when he's saying stuff like that.
Context only matters when it fits MJ's arguments.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 11, 2021, 02:06:40 PM
Impossible to take him seriously in this argument when he's saying stuff like that.
Context only matters when it fits MJ's arguments.
No, you're right.
He's a definitive white supremacist and should be automatically found guilty of murder for flashing the ok sign.
But again Derek, continue to tell me what I think.
Post by: delavan on November 11, 2021, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: mj2sexay
It's a freaking OK sign
Sure, it is.
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Post by: dcm1602 on November 11, 2021, 04:46:04 PM
No, you're right.
He's a definitive white supremacist and should be automatically found guilty of murder for flashing the ok sign.
But again Derek, continue to tell me what I think.
It does make sense that a white supremacist would shoot 3 white guys in a crowd or predominantly African Americans.
Maybe he's a neo woke White Supremacist that realizes that all white men are the devil
Post by: dcm1602 on November 11, 2021, 04:49:51 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 12, 2021, 08:16:03 AM
Putting this where it belongs
Post by: mj2sexay on November 12, 2021, 08:18:08 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 12, 2021, 08:53:43 AM
What a crappy meme. Really living up to a certain stereotype!
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Post by: mj2sexay on November 12, 2021, 09:02:41 AM
(https://technotrenz.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/JF-US-RITTENHOUSE-MEMES-OFF-PLATFORM.jpg.webp)
How upset are you going to be when you find out that the sincerity rating of a suspects crying isn't a metric by which our justice system reaches conclusions?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 12, 2021, 10:00:31 AM
B. All things considered, it was apparently a wise decision to bring the gun, lest he should've just allowed himself to get the excrement kicked out of him.
I haven’t followed this that closely, but wasn’t he confronted/attacked…. Because he had an AR-15? Like, they probably would have left the 17 year old kid alone if he wasn’t carrying a giant rifle? Idk
This also brings forth the point that, why would you ever chase after anyone with a gun and not expect them to use it? Very dumb decision
But back to my main point:
A) Rittenhouse never should have been there (17 year old kid, across state lines at a potentially violent riot)
B) he definitely should not have brought a gun
Post by: bojanglesman on November 12, 2021, 10:03:13 AM
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KENOSHA, WI—Arguing that the prosecution had demonstrated flagrant bias throughout the proceedings, critics questioned Thursday why Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger had repeatedly singled out Kyle Rittenhouse over the course of the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. “Not a day has gone by during this murder trial of Kyle Rittenhouse that the ADA hasn’t mentioned Kyle Rittenhouse by name and accused him of murder,” said trial observer Jim Webbins, 49, adding that he watched with rising fury as Rittenhouse took the witness stand and then became the exclusive target of Binger during his cross-examination of Rittenhouse. “The prosecution is treating Kyle like some kind of killer just because he brought an illegal gun to a riot, escalated tensions, and then killed people. Tell me something: Why aren’t any of the rioters being prosecuted for the murder of those people Kyle shot? Huh? Answer me that.” Webbins went on to state that the media was clearly “along for the ride,” demonstrating its bias by continually referring to Rittenhouse as the defendant.
Post by: delavan on November 12, 2021, 04:44:49 PM
https://twitter.com/Johnmcurtis/status/1457343779833360389
"Ladies & gentleman of the jury, have you reached a verdict?"
"wE hAvE yoUr HONeR"
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Post by: delavan on November 12, 2021, 04:55:05 PM
If Black Lives Matter then surely American Black Lives Matter more than imported South African whites - this borders on unconscionable:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/12/us/black-farmworkers-mississippi-lawsuit.html?referringSource=articleShare
Post by: delavan on November 12, 2021, 05:02:44 PM
https://twitter.com/goodblackdude/status/1458941628777787417
Post by: dcm1602 on November 12, 2021, 06:30:35 PM
"...and there's definitely cameras up in there and there's people definitely taking pictures of the jury's and...."
https://twitter.com/Johnmcurtis/status/1457343779833360389
"Ladies & gentleman of the jury, have you reached a verdict?"
"wE hAvE yoUr HONeR"
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/AnonymousBlogger.jpg/320px-AnonymousBlogger.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Trial_by_Jury_Usher.jpg/280px-Trial_by_Jury_Usher.jpg)
People involved with this in any way shape or form should go to prison far far longer than Rittenhouse
Post by: dcm1602 on November 12, 2021, 06:33:19 PM
looks like we're in for a long, hot winter...
https://twitter.com/goodblackdude/status/1458941628777787417
Nothing says how African you are like wearing an imitation pendant from the movie black panther
Post by: bojanglesman on November 15, 2021, 10:17:40 AM
Being an idiot, raised by an idiot isn't a crime. The laws should be different, but you can't judge based on what they should be.
I think he deserves something.
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2021, 05:01:46 PM
Rittenhouse isn't going to get convicted of anything big. He's either getting no charges or maybe one of the lesser ones. I can't see all the jurors convicting him of anything big.Unfortunately his mom raised a piece of excrement that we have to coexist with.
Being an idiot, raised by an idiot isn't a crime. The laws should be different, but you can't judge based on what they should be.
I think he deserves something.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 15, 2021, 05:13:27 PM
looks like we're in for a long, hot winter...Damn, black lives matter has a lot of founders and co-founders. Seems like everyone founded BLM.
https://twitter.com/goodblackdude/status/1458941628777787417
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2021, 05:23:12 PM
Damn, black lives matter has a lot of founders and co-founders. Seems like everyone founded BLM.All of them are just George Soros in blackface
Post by: bojanglesman on November 15, 2021, 05:31:23 PM
Damn, black lives matter has a lot of founders and co-founders. Seems like everyone founded BLM.I'm actually your BLM founder for JO. Ashy lives matter.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 15, 2021, 05:32:30 PM
Damn, black lives matter has a lot of founders and co-founders. Seems like everyone founded BLM.I'm actually your BLM founder for JO.
Post by: Johnny English on November 15, 2021, 05:32:56 PM
Post by: delavan on November 15, 2021, 05:34:45 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 15, 2021, 05:35:51 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 15, 2021, 06:08:34 PM
My wife makes a great BLT
I'm disappointed that you of all people didn't get the reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SYc_flMnMQ&ab_channel=ZoeProze
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 15, 2021, 06:19:51 PM
Damn, black lives matter has a lot of founders and co-founders. Seems like everyone founded BLM.
Separate regional chapters, I assume. Also possibly lying.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 15, 2021, 07:47:52 PM
Separate regional chapters, I assume. Also possibly lying.Yes
Post by: delavan on November 15, 2021, 09:07:42 PM
I'm disappointed that you of all people didn't get the reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SYc_flMnMQ&ab_channel=ZoeProze
Good call. While the Eric Idle brain's the devil's workshop, 'life of Brian's' the one python flick I never got around to seeing.
Post by: Johnny English on November 15, 2021, 09:15:15 PM
Good call. While the Eric Idle brain's the devil's workshop, 'life of Brian's' the one python flick I never got around to seeing.It's by far the best. Please rectify this error.
Post by: delavan on November 15, 2021, 09:29:44 PM
It's by far the best. Please rectify this error.Whadda ya know, it's available in its entirety - will do & thx for the heads up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytTr4pfP-tw
Post by: delavan on November 16, 2021, 07:14:51 AM
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1460303717866119172
Post by: bojanglesman on November 16, 2021, 07:42:23 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 17, 2021, 08:13:53 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/581789-rittenhouse-picks-final-jurors-from-raffle-tumbler%3famp
Post by: Heismanberg on November 18, 2021, 12:26:20 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 18, 2021, 12:47:23 PM
https://deadline.com/2021/11/judge-in-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-bans-msnbc-1234876908/
Post by: delavan on November 18, 2021, 06:48:30 PM
MSNBC banned from Rittenhouse trial(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Webster_County%2C_Nebraska_courthouse_courtroom_3.JPG/320px-Webster_County%2C_Nebraska_courthouse_courtroom_3.JPG)
https://deadline.com/2021/11/judge-in-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-bans-msnbc-1234876908/
Post by: mj2sexay on November 19, 2021, 12:17:34 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 19, 2021, 12:26:25 PM
Good.Your justice system fucked up
Post by: mj2sexay on November 19, 2021, 12:31:30 PM
Your justice system fucked up
Worked exactly as its intended poutine head.
F R E E A S F U C K
Post by: MBGreen on November 19, 2021, 12:34:14 PM
Worked exactly as its intended poutine head.America leads the league in white supremacy...congrats.
F R E E A S F U C K
Post by: mj2sexay on November 19, 2021, 12:36:02 PM
America leads the league in white supremacy...congrats.
Yup, a white on white justifiable homicide via self defense, great example 👍.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2021, 12:38:22 PM
F R E E A S F U C K
lmao
Post by: MBGreen on November 19, 2021, 12:40:02 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211119/2fb4655341469f66810fd363dd199b8d.jpg)
Yup, a white on white justifiable homicide via self defense, great example.
Post by: insanity on November 19, 2021, 01:19:57 PM
I do think that by the standing of the law this acquittal makes sense
its very hard to disproove self defense of bodily harm.
Post by: MBGreen on November 19, 2021, 01:24:40 PM
I don't agree with what Rittenhouse did
I do think that by the standing of the law this acquittal makes sense
its very hard to disproove self defense of bodily harm.
the dude drove across the state lines to this protest armed with an AR 15. Self Defense? How about staying the freak home.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 19, 2021, 01:46:55 PM
Post by: insanity on November 19, 2021, 01:47:35 PM
the dude drove across the state lines to this protest armed with an AR 15. Self Defense? How about staying the freak home.Again, I don't agree with what he did. But what you are saying is apparently not true.
KR was in Kenosha quite often because of his job and family. He didn't just travel to the riot.
The weapon was purchased and stored in Kenosha. There was no proof that it crossed state lines.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/nov/15/viral-image/kyle-rittenhouses-mother-did-not-bring-him-kenosha/
Post by: MBGreen on November 19, 2021, 01:51:49 PM
Again, I don't agree with what he did. But what you are saying is apparently not true.
KR was in Kenosha quite often because of his job and family. He didn't just travel to the riot.
The weapon was purchased and stored in Kenosha. There was no proof that it crossed state lines.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/nov/15/viral-image/kyle-rittenhouses-mother-did-not-bring-him-kenosha/
i don't give a freak. He shouldn't have been "anywhere" with an AR rifle. Jesus christ.
Post by: insanity on November 19, 2021, 01:56:01 PM
i don't give a freak. He shouldn't have been "anywhere" with an AR rifle. Jesus christ.I agree, but that's not the law.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 19, 2021, 01:56:23 PM
i don't give a freak. He shouldn't have been "anywhere" with an AR rifle. Jesus christ.Being an idiot isn't a crime.
Post by: MBGreen on November 19, 2021, 01:59:28 PM
I agree, but that's not the law.
Your country sucks, dude.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 19, 2021, 02:01:22 PM
Your country sucks, dude.
https://twitter.com/scootercasterny/status/1461086087183540224?s=21
USA! USA! USA!
Post by: insanity on November 19, 2021, 02:06:49 PM
Being an idiot isn't a crime.Fortunately otherwise most of the board would be in jail
Post by: insanity on November 19, 2021, 02:07:11 PM
Your country sucks, dude.I agree, dude.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 19, 2021, 03:50:02 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 19, 2021, 03:55:35 PM
I understand why he was considered innocent by the law. I just don't understand why anyone would be so happy about it.
It's just the universal sign for OK!
Post by: insanity on November 19, 2021, 04:02:44 PM
I understand why he was considered innocent by the law. I just don't understand why anyone would be so happy about it.This. Someone died and people are celebrating its sickening
Post by: Johnny English on November 19, 2021, 05:35:57 PM
There is literally not another developed country in the world where the law would allow for Rittenhouse doing what he did. American exceptionalism isn't always a good thing.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 19, 2021, 08:05:43 PM
I understand why he was considered innocent by the law. I just don't understand why anyone would be so happy about it.
Because these political people are freaking mental lunatics. And to be fair it's the same reason some people are so upset about it. These people have turned it into a BLM vs Trumper things. Literally nobody gives a excrement about the law
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 19, 2021, 08:20:51 PM
Because these political people are freaking mental lunatics. And to be fair it's the same reason some people are so upset about it. These people have turned it into a BLM vs Trumper things. Literally nobody gives a excrement about the law
Do you have these prepped in advance?
Post by: delavan on November 20, 2021, 07:52:54 AM
Your country sucks, dude.Oh Canada, thy homo gay-filled land..
Post by: bojanglesman on November 20, 2021, 08:11:21 AM
Your country sucks, dude.Every country sucks in their own unique way.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 20, 2021, 10:41:53 AM
Because clearly, if Rittenhouse didn't have his gun, he'd have just been left alone right? We didn't have an entire summer at that point of people getting freaking brained with bikelocks and cement milkshakes for the high crime of trying to confront the mob as said angry and regressive mob set fire to communities around the country to the point that there was a demonstrated body count in terms of fatalities by the time this happened. Tragedies like David Dorn just don't exist I guess. It's just so amazing that only Rittenhouse shouldn't have been there that night. Not the angry leftists setting fire to a community, and certainly not the three people who put themselves in the position to where two met their end and one had their bicep disintegrated. They're totally blameless to the point I've seen people holding signs calling Joseph Rosenbaum a hero. It's not pertinent to the broader conversation of Kyle Rittenhouse and whether he was legally or morally culpable for what took place that night considering he had no idea as to Rosenbaum's record in life when he had to defend himself, but if there is a hell, Joseph Rosenbaum is burning in it. Hero. GTFOH.
I swear, the media and the absolute mongoloids that regurgitate this stupid excrement like AcRoSs StAtE LiNeS when most of the people parroting that idiocy otherwise detest borders would be the craziest cognitive dissonance I've seen in quite some time if it wasn't entirely consistent and typical with their entire modus operandi. As a reminder, this all started because of media lies and narratives and really stupid people running with said lies and narrative after someone with a history of abusing women was confronted by the cops on a domestic violence call and when the cops ascertained he had a warrant, fought them repeatedly and despite being given several opportunities to stand down went for a freaking knife. That's why Kenosha apparently had to burn. Oh well. I guess the next house in which Jacob Blake decides to put his hands on a woman without her consent better have a ramp.
As for why people are happy about it, some of us aren't content to see our criminal justice system, imperfect as it already is bend to the whims of the freaking mob in what was a politically motivated prosecution that should have never ever been brought to trial. That's why. Nor do I consider people that are happy about this verdict anywhere near as dangerous as a sitting member of our House of Representatives spewing this absolute horseshit;
https://twitter.com/CoriBush/status/1461776152255774722?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Post by: delavan on November 20, 2021, 11:31:25 AM
Every country sucks in their own unique way.(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Josh_Rimer.jpg/768px-Josh_Rimer.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on November 20, 2021, 11:51:43 AM
Oh Canada, thy homo gay-filled land..What?
Post by: MBGreen on November 20, 2021, 11:52:45 AM
Glad to see this verdict has devolved into "America sucks" because a `17 year old who was DEMONSTRATIVELY at a riot to help render aid to persons and property within the community he worked in and his father lived in brought a gun and used his gun as a last resort after literally trying to run away from a crazed pedo while screaming FRIENDLY as said pedo was going for his gun, and had to raise up again when he was about to be brained by a skateboard and had a felon literally point their gun (which was illegal for said felon to carry) before squeezing his trigger again. That's what happened. It's that clear cut at this point for anyone who watched the trial.TL:DR: hurrr durr
Because clearly, if Rittenhouse didn't have his gun, he'd have just been left alone right? We didn't have an entire summer at that point of people getting freaking brained with bikelocks and cement milkshakes for the high crime of trying to confront the mob as said angry and regressive mob set fire to communities around the country to the point that there was a demonstrated body count in terms of fatalities by the time this happened. Tragedies like David Dorn just don't exist I guess. It's just so amazing that only Rittenhouse shouldn't have been there that night. Not the angry leftists setting fire to a community, and certainly not the three people who put themselves in the position to where two met their end and one had their bicep disintegrated. They're totally blameless to the point I've seen people holding signs calling Joseph Rosenbaum a hero. It's not pertinent to the broader conversation of Kyle Rittenhouse and whether he was legally or morally culpable for what took place that night considering he had no idea as to Rosenbaum's record in life when he had to defend himself, but if there is a hell, Joseph Rosenbaum is burning in it. Hero. GTFOH.
I swear, the media and the absolute mongoloids that regurgitate this stupid excrement like AcRoSs StAtE LiNeS when most of the people parroting that idiocy otherwise detest borders would be the craziest cognitive dissonance I've seen in quite some time if it wasn't entirely consistent and typical with their entire modus operandi. As a reminder, this all started because of media lies and narratives and really stupid people running with said lies and narrative after someone with a history of abusing women was confronted by the cops on a domestic violence call and when the cops ascertained he had a warrant, fought them repeatedly and despite being given several opportunities to stand down went for a freaking knife. That's why Kenosha apparently had to burn. Oh well. I guess the next house in which Jacob Blake decides to put his hands on a woman without her consent better have a ramp.
As for why people are happy about it, some of us aren't content to see our criminal justice system, imperfect as it already is bend to the whims of the freaking mob in what was a politically motivated prosecution that should have never ever been brought to trial. That's why. Nor do I consider people that are happy about this verdict anywhere near as dangerous as a sitting member of our House of Representatives spewing this absolute horseshit;
https://twitter.com/CoriBush/status/1461776152255774722?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Post by: delavan on November 20, 2021, 12:10:57 PM
TL:DR: hurrr durrI read it MB. He said Canada sucks : )
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Post by: MBGreen on November 20, 2021, 03:20:31 PM
I read it MB. He said Canada sucks : )
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so...hurr durr was correct then. Thanks for confirming ;)
Post by: delavan on November 20, 2021, 04:56:25 PM
so...hurr durr was correct then. Thanks for confirming ;)(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/270/755/870.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 24, 2021, 03:18:58 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/us/live-news/ahmaud-arbery-killing-trial-verdict-watch-11-24-21/index.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/us/live-news/ahmaud-arbery-killing-trial-verdict-watch-11-24-21/index.html)
The prosecutor who covered it up is also being indicted.
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/02/1033809949/ahmaud-arbery-former-prosecutor-indicted-misconduct-georgia (https://www.npr.org/2021/09/02/1033809949/ahmaud-arbery-former-prosecutor-indicted-misconduct-georgia)
Post by: Heismanberg on November 24, 2021, 03:20:45 PM
The prosecutor who covered it up is also being indicted.
LFG
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2021, 11:39:50 AM
Wonder if it's too late for him to get a speaking slot at the RNC?
https://twitter.com/az_rww/status/1473084860004593666?s=21
RNC gonna be lit
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2021, 11:23:19 AM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1476471103199625217?t=hrWVhqXh4o6ZOuDQb6CKHw&s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2021, 03:51:04 PM
Passive voice strikes again
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1476471103199625217?t=hrWVhqXh4o6ZOuDQb6CKHw&s=19
I don't know the answer to these things nor do I absolve the police completely.
But this dude was proned while going crazy and had literally attacked a police officer punching them in the head. Fwiw he was handcuffed at 5:08 and they started doing CPR at 512
Some reform needs to happen and the police have to figure out a better way to handle hostile agitated people, especially those under the influence or suffering from severe mental illness.
But until they do I don't know what the expectation should be when someone literally attacks them
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2022, 12:47:02 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2022, 02:54:03 PM
https://twitter.com/dbrodyreports/status/1478021053423177728?s=21
I'm confused. What did he want the people who care about BLM to do instead of caring about BLM? I thought the people who got upset about BLM wanted the world to be more white?
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2022, 02:57:16 PM
I'm confused. What did he want the people who care about BLM to do instead of caring about BLM? I thought the people who got upset about BLM wanted the world to be more white?
Logic has no place here.
https://twitter.com/misterbagman/status/1478082766793183238?s=20 (https://twitter.com/misterbagman/status/1478082766793183238?s=20)
Post by: dcm1602 on January 03, 2022, 09:53:48 PM
Logic has no place here.
https://twitter.com/misterbagman/status/1478082766793183238?s=20 (https://twitter.com/misterbagman/status/1478082766793183238?s=20)
I don't understand how that tweet has any purpose.
The initial post was retarded (somehow correlating BLM with a horrible response to snow)
But what the freak does someone's tweet about genders have to do with the original post?
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2022, 11:17:25 PM
I don't understand how that tweet has any purpose.You're a potato
The initial post was retarded (somehow correlating BLM with a horrible response to snow)
But what the freak does someone's tweet about genders have to do with the original post?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 03, 2022, 11:18:50 PM
You're a potato
Everyone loves to put me in their mouth?
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 04, 2022, 01:57:01 AM
I don't understand how that tweet has any purpose.
The initial post was retarded (somehow correlating BLM with a horrible response to snow)
But what the freak does someone's tweet about genders have to do with the original post?
Did you completely miss the part where the quoted tweet in the reply was the same person? Or did the point that he routinely says stupid excrement not land?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 04, 2022, 06:11:43 AM
Post by: Johnny English on January 07, 2022, 02:32:44 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/three-men-convicted-murdering-ahmaud-arbery-sentenced-life-prison-rcna10901
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 07, 2022, 02:41:04 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2022, 02:42:39 PM
Post by: ons on January 07, 2022, 05:19:44 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2022, 05:29:22 PM
I'm satisfied that justice seemed like it prevailed in this case, but the fact that the third dude was also convicted for felony murder is imo a flaw in the system.
It’s very lucky that he was stupid enough to follow them and record the entire thing.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 07, 2022, 05:30:25 PM
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/01/lawsuit-facebook-recommendations-helped-extremists-meet-and-plan-murder/ (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/01/lawsuit-facebook-recommendations-helped-extremists-meet-and-plan-murder/)
If you don't remember, Dave Underwood was a Federal Security Officer shot by a group of white supremacists during the George Floyd protests whose death people tried to blame on BLM.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 08, 2022, 06:21:39 AM
Post by: Badger on February 24, 2022, 04:35:25 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on February 24, 2022, 05:18:59 PM
Looking forward to hearing from the usual talking heads as to why this is such a travesty of justice.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/three-men-convicted-murdering-ahmaud-arbery-sentenced-life-prison-rcna10901
**crickets**
Yeah, no one had a problem with the Arbery verdict.
Post by: reuben on March 10, 2022, 10:44:37 AM
Reason #216,103 to never ever do business with Bank of America.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 14, 2022, 09:07:09 AM
Trigger warning: execution style police murder
Post by: Heismanberg on April 14, 2022, 09:08:46 AM
https://twitter.com/attorneycrump/status/1514354299656192010?s=21&t=4qlZVvj1lcFXkF04Dshn6g
Trigger warning: execution style police murder
Really horrible, fucked up stuff
That makes me sick, man
Post by: MBGreen on April 14, 2022, 09:11:29 AM
https://twitter.com/attorneycrump/status/1514354299656192010?s=21&t=4qlZVvj1lcFXkF04Dshn6g
Trigger warning: execution style police murder
good lord...that's awful
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 14, 2022, 09:19:58 AM
Post by: delavan on April 14, 2022, 09:28:38 AM
Quote from: nyjunc
Can we first get all the facts before jumping to conclusions?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2022, 12:08:42 PM
The dude is fighting back and the cop is screaming drop the tazer (which you can't see in the video but presumably will be easily confirmable)
That said I don't think you shoot someone in the head for this, but I cannot imagine a cop getting convicted for this.
Though presumably the context of the entire encounter would paint a better picture of the events
(watching the full video it does seem like the cop was shitty at his job and made a ton of stupid decisions to exponentially escalate the situation)
Post by: delavan on April 15, 2022, 11:01:27 AM
https://katv.com/news/nation-world/blm-co-founder-complains-americans-charity-transparency-laws-are-triggering-black-lives-matter-patrisse-cullors-real-estate-mansion
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“People’s morale in an organization is so important. But if their organization and the people in it are being attacked and scrutinized at everything they do, that leads to deep burnout. that leads to deep, like, resistance and trauma,” Cullors said.
Cullors, who left BLM without a leader after she resigned in May 2021 amid scrutiny of her personal real estate purchases, said media scrutiny of the charity is an “experiment,” that, if successful, will be used to take down other black-led activist groups.
“They know what they’re doing: how to create the infighting, how to create the distrust,” she said. “We have to stop it before they do it. We have to shut it down. We have to be showing up against it.”
The IRS? Good luck.
Post by: Badger on April 23, 2022, 10:52:33 PM
But seriously. I hope he turns his own gun against himself someday, hopefully ASAP.
Post by: Badger on May 14, 2022, 08:39:42 AM
Post by: Badger on May 18, 2022, 09:26:40 AM
https://www.pressherald.com/2022/05/18/south-portland-firms-vehicle-mounted-pepper-spray-gun-sparks-criticism/
Post by: dcm1602 on May 18, 2022, 09:32:41 AM
Exciting news for people who fantasize about running over protesters
https://www.pressherald.com/2022/05/18/south-portland-firms-vehicle-mounted-pepper-spray-gun-sparks-criticism/
This has literally nothing to do with running over protestors.
People advocate for more non lethal law enforcement technology, this is exactly that.
Do I think it's gimmicky? Sure. But the biggest practical use I could see for this is for EMS vehicles trying to get through areas with heavy violent protesting.
It's essentially a big bottle of pepper spray that's 30times bigger than your standard pepper spray.
This isn't exactly outrageous
Apparently this is also something for personal self defense. Again I see that as kind of a weird thing, but with people advocating for gun control and violent crime being the biggest concern for most Americans. I think it makes sense.
I think you'd have to be mentally ill or work/live in an extremely dangerous neighborhood to actually go out and purchase something like this. But people love stupid excrement
Post by: Badger on May 18, 2022, 09:57:16 AM
This has literally nothing to do with running over protestors.
It does because all the people who want to do that are going to want this.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 18, 2022, 10:24:53 AM
It does because all the people who want to do that are going to want this.
If they opt to use peppersprray instead of running people over wouldn't that be an improvement?
Post by: ons on May 18, 2022, 11:00:45 AM
Exciting news for people who fantasize about running over protesters
https://www.pressherald.com/2022/05/18/south-portland-firms-vehicle-mounted-pepper-spray-gun-sparks-criticism/
Aayyyye, it's my local paper! Let me remind everyone that in Maine violent protests include chalking the sidewalk outside of a Senator's house asking them to please vote for a bill. Dangerous times call for dramatic solutions.
Also let us acknowledge that this article was published because apparently a giant pepper spray gun is the biggest business/tech innovation in Maine this year, over:
Quote
The other finalist being considered for the award was Brunswick-based Salmonics, which converts aquaculture waste into biomedical products.
Post by: delavan on May 18, 2022, 01:56:17 PM
Exciting news for people who fantasize about running over protesters
https://www.pressherald.com/2022/05/18/south-portland-firms-vehicle-mounted-pepper-spray-gun-sparks-criticism/
Aayyyye, it's my local paper! Let me remind everyone that in Maine violent protests include chalking the sidewalk outside of a Senator's house asking them to please vote for a bill. Dangerous times call for dramatic solutions.My simpatico views aside, theses are two disingenuous (if sly) narratives. For me to connect a Costco-sized pepper spray gun with running people over would be akin to (on the flip side) brushing the pepper gun off as "well technically the cops are only using a condiment dispenser on them."
Also let us acknowledge that this article was published because apparently a giant pepper spray gun is the biggest business/tech innovation in Maine this year, over:
As for the 'artwork' outside Collins' house, while she stupidly called the cops on a phony baloney 'pubic property defacement' premise, who's 'chalking' it up as a violent protest? Who was carted off to the hoosegow? No one. Collins was being a reactionary idiot, i.e. who here hasn't had kids mark up their neighborhood's sidewalks/streets? Rain eventually comes, it eventually goes away, no big deal. Hopscotch anyone? That said, my point being let's not get ahead of ourselves by conflating apples and zebras.
Post by: Badger on May 21, 2022, 08:01:08 PM
My simpatico views aside, theses are two disingenuous (if sly) narratives.
Not really, lots of people have proclaimed their desire to be able to run over hypothetical protesters. My original post was just asserting that kind of person would also enjoy a neat car gadget for macing them.
Post by: ons on May 22, 2022, 08:48:43 AM
As for the 'artwork' outside Collins' house, while she stupidly called the cops on a phony baloney 'pubic property defacement' premise, who's 'chalking' it up as a violent protest? Who was carted off to the hoosegow? No one. Collins was being a reactionary idiot, i.e. who here hasn't had kids mark up their neighborhood's sidewalks/streets? Rain eventually comes, it eventually goes away, no big deal. Hopscotch anyone? That said, my point being let's not get ahead of ourselves by conflating apples and zebras.
In my local community, there has been a consistent embellishment of the violence used by protestors to justify discrediting their goals and voices. I've been to several protests and marches, and been relatively close to people who have been accused of being dangerous antifa and/or BLM activists. Seeing a local weapons manufacturer point out that he had been reading accounts of dangerous local protests (specifically antifa and BLM) to justify the creation of crowd-control oriented weapons feels absurd, considering how polite and tame the discourse and actions of local protestors are. My post was pointing out how civil protest culture is in Maine compared with other areas of the country.
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2022, 06:37:20 PM
In my local community, there has been a consistent embellishment of the violence used by protestors to justify discrediting their goals and voices. I've been to several protests and marches, and been relatively close to people who have been accused of being dangerous antifa and/or BLM activists. Seeing a local weapons manufacturer point out that he had been reading accounts of dangerous local protests (specifically antifa and BLM) to justify the creation of crowd-control oriented weapons feels absurd, considering how polite and tame the discourse and actions of local protestors are. My post was pointing out how civil protest culture is in Maine compared with other areas of the country.Don't act as if you're not riding moose into protests and using them to overturn cars.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 23, 2022, 11:41:31 PM
Hey how are the local businesses doing in Ferguson?
Post by: delavan on July 20, 2022, 10:46:20 AM
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2022/07/18/transcript-details-panicked-call-from-sundbergs-neighbor
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 25, 2022, 02:05:38 PM
Comments have follow-up videos as good as the original clip
Post by: Johnny English on August 25, 2022, 02:27:30 PM
https://twitter.com/iamalmostlegend/status/1562557746636984320?s=21&t=07mEYvVKhTIJ9fRzNTVoVQ
Comments have follow-up videos as good as the original clip
That second video just gets more and more WTF as it goes on. What on earth was the lawyer thinking?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 25, 2022, 02:55:39 PM
https://twitter.com/iamalmostlegend/status/1562557746636984320?s=21&t=07mEYvVKhTIJ9fRzNTVoVQ
Comments have follow-up videos as good as the original clip
Why does the husband sound like a muppet?
Post by: Heismanberg on August 25, 2022, 02:57:33 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 26, 2022, 11:16:58 AM
https://twitter.com/somechickens/status/1562847915852599296?s=21&t=inMVzu5dZIe67wn6BlRBOg
America is a sick place
Post by: Gorilla on August 26, 2022, 12:03:27 PM
https://twitter.com/somechickens/status/1562500365412495361?s=21&t=inMVzu5dZIe67wn6BlRBOg
https://twitter.com/somechickens/status/1562847915852599296?s=21&t=inMVzu5dZIe67wn6BlRBOg
America is a sick place
Blatant racism and hate is an international trait of our doomed species.
America just happens to currently be a wealthy, first-world country with a section of selfish, indoctrinated anti-Christian-teachings-despite-their-cross-necklace-and-tattoo goobers who wish to regress to a 3rd-world country. We're on our way with maternal childbirth mortality!
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2022, 12:07:34 PM
Blatant racism and hate is an international trait of our doomed species.
America just happens to currently be a wealthy, first-world country with a section of selfish, indoctrinated anti-Christian-teachings-despite-their-cross-necklace-and-tattoo goobers who wish to regress to a 3rd-world country. We're on our way with maternal childbirth mortality!
Now let's discuss which part of the population makes up the majority of those maternal childbirth deaths, just for funsies.
Post by: delavan on August 26, 2022, 12:57:21 PM
Blatant racism and hate is an international trait of our doomed species.Some discouraging stats for a monied first-world country, esp. among Black & Hispanic women:
America just happens to currently be a wealthy, first-world country with a section of selfish, indoctrinated anti-Christian-teachings-despite-their-cross-necklace-and-tattoo goobers who wish to regress to a 3rd-world country. We're on our way with maternal childbirth mortality!
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-brief-report/2020/dec/maternal-mortality-united-states-primer
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 31, 2022, 07:47:34 AM
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2022, 08:06:36 AM
https://twitter.com/erickbellomy/status/1564779788211994625?s=21&t=o9uWXa-CTtHF8RmFlG2cLAOk, but maybe he was laying in bed threateningly.
lEt'S wAiT fOr AlL tHe FaCtS
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 11, 2022, 08:18:47 PM
I is shocked.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2023, 09:13:29 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2023, 09:21:23 PM
https://twitter.com/raphousetv2/status/1613638862089359361?s=46&t=OF9dpnVElb4kG5lmwiUnaw
I think people ok the left and people on the right will both use this to justify their points of view.
It's definitely freaking bizzare and concerning that the police had to taze this guy for 30 seconds. But the guy also deserves some fault for being on cocaine and acting like a lunatic
Also he died 5 hours after his arrest at a hospital. So not quite the George Floyd scenario they're presenting
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2023, 09:48:30 PM
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2023, 06:11:25 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 13, 2023, 07:51:42 AM
The cops were very reasonable until they killed him.
Don't know the answer to this question, and it's not clear from Google
But at what point is tasing excessive and dangerous?
Because I think that's the probably the biggest argument you can make
It's interesting though how even on the very liberal Twitter poster linked above the large majority of commentors tended to side with the police
Post by: delavan on January 13, 2023, 08:55:42 AM
Lately things kinda seem insane
He’s actin’ funny, but I don't know why
'Scuse me while I kill this guy
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Barrio_Lastarria_-20181103_-fRF01_calle_Jos%C3%A9_Ram%C3%B3n_Guti%C3%A9rrez.jpg/158px-Barrio_Lastarria_-20181103_-fRF01_calle_Jos%C3%A9_Ram%C3%B3n_Guti%C3%A9rrez.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 20, 2023, 12:29:32 PM
https://twitter.com/tori4thepeople/status/1616385175444721665?s=46&t=9s2Flw2L9119butndLo53Q
https://twitter.com/popeguilty/status/1616469460000378880?s=46&t=9s2Flw2L9119butndLo53Q
Post by: reuben on January 20, 2023, 12:31:51 PM
https://twitter.com/blackcynicalxo/status/1616481261890969600?s=46&t=9s2Flw2L9119butndLo53Q
https://twitter.com/tori4thepeople/status/1616385175444721665?s=46&t=9s2Flw2L9119butndLo53Q
https://twitter.com/popeguilty/status/1616469460000378880?s=46&t=9s2Flw2L9119butndLo53Q
Here we go.
Post by: MBGreen on January 20, 2023, 12:51:05 PM
https://twitter.com/blackcynicalxo/status/1616481261890969600?s=46&t=9s2Flw2L9119butndLo53Q
https://twitter.com/tori4thepeople/status/1616385175444721665?s=46&t=9s2Flw2L9119butndLo53Q
https://twitter.com/popeguilty/status/1616469460000378880?s=46&t=9s2Flw2L9119butndLo53Q
yikes!
Post by: Heismanberg on January 20, 2023, 12:52:40 PM
Here we go.
It's about that time.
I'm pretty surprised we didn't see more uproar from the Keenan Anderson killing.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 20, 2023, 12:58:49 PM
Here we go.
Guy shows up looking like that after a traffic stop and the cops think that they can sweep it under the rug.
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2023, 08:31:19 AM
It's about that time.I'm always surprised by which stories get hot and which don't.
I'm pretty surprised we didn't see more uproar from the Keenan Anderson killing.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 21, 2023, 09:24:52 AM
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2023, 08:53:48 AM
https://mississippitoday.org/2023/02/07/jackson-court-system-house-bill-1020/
Post by: delavan on February 08, 2023, 10:41:43 AM
NeatThanks for posting this…..utterly unrepresentative government; sickening. I’d lawyer up and challenge it.
https://mississippitoday.org/2023/02/07/jackson-court-system-house-bill-1020/
Post by: bojanglesman on February 23, 2023, 08:46:51 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2023, 08:50:16 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 24, 2023, 05:39:35 AM
You just linked to the Daily Heil.I can't tell those Brit papers apart.
Post by: MBGreen on February 24, 2023, 06:42:55 AM
I can't tell those Brit papers apart.Racist
Post by: bojanglesman on February 24, 2023, 07:04:40 AM
RacistAll Brit papers are good with money.
All Brit papers are terrible drivers.
Post by: Johnny English on February 24, 2023, 09:01:22 AM
All Brit papers are good with money.
All Brit papers are terrible drivers.
There are very few things that the UK does better than North America, but one area in which they are vastly superior is the general standard of driving.
Post by: Badger on February 24, 2023, 09:16:00 AM
You just linked to the Daily Heil.Not sure why the right wing thinks this story is a gotcha.
Post by: Johnny English on February 24, 2023, 09:21:03 AM
Not sure why the right wing thinks this story is a gotcha.
Because they get to use words like "woke" and "militant left" a lot and their readers don't see past that, and don't want to.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 24, 2023, 09:26:18 AM
Not sure why the right wing thinks this story is a gotcha.
I mean, I get why the right wing as it is currently constructed would be all over it. She had been a proponent of reparations, now since she actually has some ancestors that were not only white but some that were slave owners themselves, she should supposedly be both receiving and paying reparations? I don't really care about the argument, I just thought the story was interesting.
Post by: Badger on February 24, 2023, 09:32:25 AM
She had been a proponent of reparations, now since she actually has some ancestors that were not only white but some that were slave owners themselves, she should supposedly be both receiving and paying reparations?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230224/22876e6fae6865e249f61f784dfe02dc.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 24, 2023, 10:50:41 AM
I mean, I get why the right wing as it is currently constructed would be all over it. She had been a proponent of reparations, now since she actually has some ancestors that were not only white but some that were slave owners themselves, she should supposedly be both receiving and paying reparations? I don't really care about the argument, I just thought the story was interesting.
Anyone want to venture a guess as to the most likely way the white puritan part of her DNA results got to be there in the first place?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 24, 2023, 10:53:26 AM
Anyone want to venture a guess as to the most likely way the white puritan part of her DNA results got to be there in the first place?I assume there was a lengthy courtship, followed by numerous discussions on family values and finances, followed by permission from parents for hands in marriage.
Post by: delavan on March 04, 2023, 06:28:15 AM
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1631655846835900418
H
Post by: Badger on August 08, 2023, 09:44:22 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 08, 2023, 09:51:27 AM
https://twitter.com/StephBMore/status/1688735194730147840?t=gc0IkNffFKcfJeCT1WMyIg&s=19
When I first started selling insurance, I worked with this Dominican dude from Brooklyn that would say "axe" and it would drive my manager crazy. He was certain it was why he didn't have more sales.
"LEMME AXE U SUMPIN, MISS"
Forgot about this until now: When our merger went through, the company put in a dress code where you could only wear shorts on Fridays. He started wearing shorts every day and eventually got fired for it. Just their way of getting him out the door faster.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 08, 2023, 09:59:05 AM
When I first started selling insurance, I worked with this Dominican dude from Brooklyn that would say "axe" and it would drive my manager crazy. He was certain it was why he didn't have more sales.
"LEMME AXE U SUMPIN, MISS"
Forgot about this until now: When our merger went through, the company put in a dress code where you could only wear shorts on Fridays. He started wearing shorts every day and eventually got fired for it. Just their way of getting him out the door faster.
It's funny because using ax instead of ask is about a millennium old.
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