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The Rest Of The Sports World => Designated Hitters Make Baseball Better => Topic started by: IATA on June 25, 2014, 05:31:07 PM
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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11135060/dallas-mavericks-talks-acquire-tyson-chandler-raymond-felton-new-york-knicks
Mavs get:
Tyson Chandler
Ray Felton
Knicks get:
Jose Calderon
Sam Dalembert
Shane Larkin
34th and 51st pick
freaking raped the Mavs, pathetic.
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Chris Herring (Knicks beat writer for the WSJ) is reporting that Phil is looking to move Larkin and Dalembert in a separate deal.
Really intrigued right now
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Please figure out a way to get rid of JR Smith.
If Jackson ends up moving Larkin and Dalembert this fast, it will probably be for a first rounder.
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Please figure out a way to get rid of JR Smith.
If Jackson ends up moving Larkin and Dalembert this fast, it will probably be for a first rounder.
Or it could be to a team with cap space that could absorb Amare or Bargs.
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It will probably happen by the end of the draft, but please don't trade Shumpert. Find another way to get into the first round.
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Maybe the Knicks are clearing cap space ?
If they dont suck next year, then Jackson worked some real magic
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Maybe the Knicks are clearing cap space ?
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If they dont suck next year, then Jackson worked some real magic
This team is set up to tank in 2014-2015 if Carmelo Anthony signs with another franchise.
Not sure what you're expecting.
This was a great trade to kick off the rebuild because Jackson got rid of a declining player with a big contract and a shitty point guard that is a horrible fit in the system.
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This team is set up to tank in 2014-2015 if Carmelo Anthony signs with another franchise.
Not sure what you're expecting.
This was a great trade to kick off the rebuild because Jackson got rid of a declining player with a big contract and a shitty point guard that is a horrible fit in the system.
Well they had minor cap savings, plus Dalembert is only partially guaranteed. and they could have more leverage to ship out other dead weight contracts now.
And im hoping the cap move could give them flexibility to bring in other role players with an attempt to lure one of the more talented guys as well.
But its way too early to see how lucky we can end up in FA and what kinda guys we can trade (Smith, Shump, Amare etc)
Also whats this "immediately" time frame that the Knicks can trade any/all of the guys they just traded for ?
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It's all about salary dump and acquiring pieces to move up into a really, really good draft.
Jackson really wants Patric Young and PJ Hairston. If he finds a way to get both of those guys tomorrow, I might be OK with an Iman Shumpert trade.
But if Charlotte gets McBuckets, I'm flipping a coin.
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LOL @ all of the Dallas fans that think they won this trade
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LOL @ all of the Dallas fans that think they won this trade
Well if it helps nudge Melo go to Dallas they unquestionably win the trade.
Otherwise I dont see a ton of upside for them
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Well if it helps nudge Melo go to Dallas they unquestionably win the trade.
no
You need to realize that the Knicks are not going to win anything with Carmelo Anthony.
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no
You need to realize that the Knicks are not going to win anything with Carmelo Anthony.
No, but Dallas would be a helluva lot better if they had Melo Dirk Chandler and whoever else they maintain/obtain
If you were a Dallas fan and this trade helped you bag Melo youd be extremely happy
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No, but Dallas would be a helluva lot better if they had Melo Dirk Chandler and whoever else they maintain/obtain
If you were a Dallas fan and this trade helped you bag Melo youd be extremely happy
They aren't going to win the West with that roster. And I wouldn't be happy because he is a 30 year old team killer that stops the ball.
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They aren't going to win the West with that roster. And I wouldn't be happy because he is a 30 year old team killer that stops the ball.
Probably not
But they'd be closer than they are now.
I'm not sure who they'd be able to afford in addition to dirk Melo and chandler though.
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What would be the implications of the Knicks buying out Dalembert ?
Im not really sure how that excrement works
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No, but Dallas would be a helluva lot better if they had Melo Dirk Chandler and whoever else they maintain/obtain
If you were a Dallas fan and this trade helped you bag Melo youd be extremely happy
Monta Ellis too.
They took San Antonio to 7 and gave them more trouble than anybody.
That would be a pretty good team. Devin Harris/ Felton not a great PG situation
But they'd def be a championship contender if Dirk is as good as he was last year.
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Im not really sure how that excrement works
QFT
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Monta Ellis too.
They took San Antonio to 7 and gave them more trouble than anybody.
That would be a pretty good team. Devin Harris/ Felton not a great PG situation
But they'd def be a championship contender if Dirk is as good as he was last year.
Ellis is a free agent though
Im sure hed be way out of their price range to add with Melo
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What would be the implications of the Knicks buying out Dalembert ?
Im not really sure how that excrement works
They'd only have to pay 1.3 or so million out of approx 3.5 mil salary.
But Howard Beck is reporting at the moment the Knicks plan to keep him.
He also said that Larkin is possibly the Knicks way to move up in the first round. Whether it's packaging one or both of the 2nd rounders or just Larkin straight up.
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Ellis is a free agent though
No, he's not
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No, he's not
2012-13: $11,000,000.
2013-14: $11,000,000 {Player Option}.
2014-15: UFA.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1164/monta-ellis
Are they off ?
Im thinking it seems so ?
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Lol.
That was his old contract in Milwaukee which he opted out of last year. He signed a 3 year deal with Dallas
Hoopshype always has the most accurate and up to date salary information.
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Lol.
That was his old contract in Milwaukee which he opted out of last year. He signed a 3 year deal with Dallas
Hoopshype always has the most accurate and up to date salary information.
Fair enough
Thats a legit starting 4 though
Not really elite, but a legit contender
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Fair enough
Thats a legit starting 4 though
Not really elite, but a legit contender
They could resign Marion and Vince too maybe for cheap contracts to fill out the roster.
2011 team was deeper and had guys still playing at high level (terry, Marion) but Melo and Ellis give them much more potent scoring than that team and I think Carlisle could make it work. Biggest drawback is defensively (they had chandler, Marion , D Stevenson) but they play Zone a lot so it might work even with guys like Ellis and Melo.
They'd only contend for a year or two but gotta say it's pretty interesting to think about it.
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Really like the Early pick, late first talent, if they can get Young late I'll be really happy.
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Really like the Early pick, late first talent, if they can get Young late I'll be really happy.
I like it a lot too
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I like it a lot too
I saw him play in high school against our team (He went to Pine Bush which is in Sullivan County NY) dude was one of two players that I've ever seen that made my jaw drop in high school (the other was DaJuan Coleman). I know a couple people who are friends with him from high school and they're all flipping their excrement.
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Realistically what are our chances of landing Lebron? How would we go about doing it?
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Realistically what are our chances of landing Lebron? How would we go about doing it?
<5% and we would have to make an impressive sign and trade with Melo to bring in some really attractive pieces. ((aka:it's not going to happen, he'll go to Cleveland if he doesn't go back to MIA.
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<5% and we would have to make an impressive sign and trade with Melo to bring in some really attractive pieces. ((aka:it's not going to happen, he'll go to Cleveland if he doesn't go back to MIA.
Back to Cleveland? That'll be interesting.
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Thanasis Antetokounmpo could develop into a really good perimeter defender.
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If Carmelo decides to go to Chicago, sign and trade for McBuckets?
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Realistically what are our chances of landing Lebron? How would we go about doing it?
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the only way is if Phil can package Amare and Bargnani's expiring contract along with some type of asset (THJ, Shumpert, future first, etc) to a team(s) with enough cap space to absorb them while we take little to no salary back.
I was really hoping the Big 3 would all opt in their last years and make another run for it, but they got so destroyed by San Antonio that they decided then they needed a huge shakeup. We would have been in prime position to grab Lebron in 2015.
Maybe he takes a shorter length contract (two years?) to see what Miami can do post Wade in his prime, but I doubt it. I'm fully expecting another 4 year deal and him to remain with Miami, although I think the Rockets have an outside shot.
yay if he goes to the Rockets, i'd love to see the Heat fanbase vanish overnight into thin air. It'd be glorious. They're the last people in the world who deserve championships and a player as good as Lebron.
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the only way is if Phil can package Amare and Bargnani's expiring contract along with some type of asset (THJ, Shumpert, future first, etc) to a team(s) with enough cap space to absorb them while we take little to no salary back.
I was really hoping the Big 3 would all opt in their last years and make another run for it, but they got so destroyed by San Antonio that they decided then they needed a huge shakeup. We would have been in prime position to grab Lebron in 2015.
Maybe he takes a shorter length contract (two years?) to see what Miami can swing, but I doubt it. I'm fully expecting another 4 year deal and him to remain with Miami, although I think the Rockets have an outside shot.
yay if he goes to the Rockets, i'd love to see the Heat fanbase vanish overnight into thin air. It'd be glorious
Well with wade being kind of beat up, I've read that they expect him not to opt out
So if you're LeBron, do you really want a 4 or 5 year deal when you don't know your reams future
At least in Houston or something he'd have some guarantees.
Going to Miami has its risks
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Well with wade being kind of beat up, I've read that they expect him not to opt out
So if you're LeBron, do you really want a 4 or 5 year deal when you don't know your reams future
At least in Houston or something he'd have some guarantees.
Going to Miami has its risks
Wade will opt out.
They'll offer him somethjng like 55-60 mil over 4 years so he has an incentive to opt out but while also lowering his annual salary.
He'll take it because there's no way he'll make 7-10 million at 35 and 36 years old especially factoring in his health.
It's kind of a shitty deal for the Heat long term but they have to lower his cap number to keep Lebron there and be able to add other guys. That frees up 6 mil or so a year alone to go out and get someone, not including Lebron or bosh's potential paycuts.
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Wade will opt out.
They'll offer him somethjng like 55-60 mil over 4 years so he has an incentive to opt out but while also lowering his annual salary.
He'll take it because there's no way he'll make 7-10 million at 35 and 36 years old especially factoring in his health.
It's kind of a shitty deal for the Heat long term but they have to lower his cap number to keep Lebron there and be able to add other guys. That frees up 6 mil or so a year alone to go out and get someone, not including Lebron or bosh's potential paycuts.
I'm not so convinced that makes sense for either of them
Wades set to make 42 million ish over 2 years. Giving that up atm would be pretty absurd
And if you're the heat do you really want to give him a chunk of cash over 4 years
I mean if Wade is the key to getting LeBron back then you do it. Gut I jus t don't think it is
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I'm not so convinced that makes sense for either of them
There's report out that both Wade and Bosh will opt out and re-sign to smaller, team-friendly deals.
It's realistic.
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What to make of this
Sources told ESPN.com that Knicks officials, while not willing to trumpet it publicly with free agency fast approaching, are quietly confident about their odds of retaining Anthony thanks in part to the idea that new team president Phil Jackson and the high-scoring forward have "connected" to some degree.
Furthermore, one source close to the process told ESPN.com's Ramona Shelburne that Jackson is planning to make a determined attempt to try to recruit his former Los Angeles Lakers center Pau Gasol to replace the freshly traded Tyson Chandler alongside Anthony on the Knicks' front line, despite the fact New York is limited to offering Gasol less than $4 million for next season.
How good could the Knicks and their misfit bunch be next year if they retained Anthony got Gasol and didn't make any other major changes?
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What to make of this
Sources told ESPN.com that Knicks officials, while not willing to trumpet it publicly with free agency fast approaching, are quietly confident about their odds of retaining Anthony thanks in part to the idea that new team president Phil Jackson and the high-scoring forward have "connected" to some degree.
Furthermore, one source close to the process told ESPN.com's Ramona Shelburne that Jackson is planning to make a determined attempt to try to recruit his former Los Angeles Lakers center Pau Gasol to replace the freshly traded Tyson Chandler alongside Anthony on the Knicks' front line, despite the fact New York is limited to offering Gasol less than $4 million for next season.
How good could the Knicks and their misfit bunch be next year if they retained Anthony got Gasol and didn't make any other major changes?
Or I guess the better question is, how good could they be once amare and his excrement contract expire in a year?
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11148045/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-chances-eye-pau-gasol
From the same article you didn't link...
It also must be noted as July 1 draws near that the Bulls and Rockets have likewise been radiating no shortage of positivity about their chances of stealing Anthony away from the Knicks.
Everyone thinks they can land Melo. The Mavs are in a great spot to land Melo, too. If Melo had to choose, does he take Pau or does he take Dirk/Chandler? Does he take Rose/Noah? Suffice, theres not much to make of it at all.
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How good could the Knicks and their misfit bunch be next year if they retained Anthony got Gasol and didn't make any other major changes?
6 to 8 seed at best.
A starting five of
Calderon
Hardaway Jr.
Anthony
Stoudemire
Gasol
with JR, Shump, Dalembert, Bargs, and Early coming off the bench isn't too bad, but they won't be better than Indiana and Miami. Teams like Charlotte and Washington will be better. If the Knicks retain Melo and get Pau on the cheap, they'll still be a middle of the pack team.
I don't want him to come back. He won't make that much of a difference right now.
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Let Houston have Carmelo. Knicks will take Chandler Parsons.
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Get Pau and TD23. Championship
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Get TD23. Championship
FYP
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FYP
It's really funny how many heat fans thought he was a good player.
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Lakers offered Melo a max deal: 4 years, $95M
I'd like to see him come back on a deal a little bit smaller than the max, but only if Pau Gasol comes to New York.
If Melo takes the max in NY and Gasol goes elsewhere, this team will be such trash. Gasol should probably just try to get Melo to go to LA.
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Lakers offered Melo a max deal: 4 years, $95M
I'd like to see him come back on a deal a little bit smaller than the max, but only if Pau Gasol comes to New York.
If Melo takes the max in NY and Gasol goes elsewhere, this team will be such trash. Gasol should probably just try to get Melo to go to LA.
I don't think NY is much better (at least they have a ton of cap next year)
But the Lakers would be a terrible move
That trams anciently old
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That trams anciently old
What LA Laker players do you know besides Kobe Bryant?
They have like three players under contract. If you have Melo, Kobe, and Pau on the floor together, you can at least make the playoffs. They're trying to get Isaiah Thomas to play point too.
Not sure why any big FA would want to go to a western conference team, but LA isn't as bad as people want them to be. They will always be a top destination for FA talent.
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I'm ok with Melo not coming back at this point. I don't think the Knicks can field a championship caliber squad until Melo passes his prime. He's going to want a max wherever he goes... I'd rather it not be here.
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What LA Laker players do you know besides Kobe Bryant?
They have like three players under contract. If you have Melo, Kobe, and Pau on the floor together, you can at least make the playoffs. They're trying to get Isaiah Thomas to play point too.
Not sure why any big FA would want to go to a western conference team, but LA isn't as bad as people want them to be. They will always be a top destination for FA talent.
Uhm
Steve Nash
Then again I just saw this is the final year of his contract so that'a no worse than Amare here
But In the NBA a sport where most teams have 2 to 4 really good players if they're lucky.
Why would you wanna join a team whose two best players are 36 and 40.
Losing a step and injury risks are way up there
And kobes had a few injuries
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LA's basketball situation is terrible. It's not like they have any young talent either besides Julius Randle.
Kobe is eating up a huge chunk of their cap the next two years and who knows if he can even play anymore.
Kobe, Melo, Gasol is barely an 8th seed in the west. Especially because Gasol and Kobe have major health issues. I imagine they'd have to trade Nash anyways (also another guy who's been old and injured)
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LA's basketball situation is terrible. It's not like they have any young talent either besides Julius Randle.
Kendall Marshall
That team isn't terrible if Gasol comes back on a cheap deal and Melo signs for a little less than max. Quality veterans will want to come there and they would take less.
Marshall - Bryant - Melo - Randle - Gasol
That's not that bad. But Anthony isn't going to Los Angeles, so...
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Kendall Marshall
That team isn't terrible if Gasol comes back on a cheap deal and Melo signs for a little less than max. Quality veterans will want to come there and they would take less.
Marshall - Bryant - Melo - Randle - Gasol
That's not that bad. But Anthony isn't going to Los Angeles, so...
You posted this before that nonsense report (broken by Bill Simmons) about LA having a legitimate chance, so what i'm about to say is not related to this or our previous comments
But the whole Melo to LA thing is so laughable. The Bulls and rockets basically conceded and started chasing other free agents, so the media thought it was a good idea to throw the LA name into the ring to stir drama.
They don't have a coach, Kobe is 36 coming off major injures, Gasol (if they can resign him) is 34 and they don't have a roster to speak of. ANd they're offering less money and playing in the west. There is literally no conceivable way that team does any better than a 6th-7th seed in that conference, at best.
no chance in hell Melo is getting 32 or whatever million when he's 34-35 years old, so the contracts essentially are not evne close.
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Holy balls
The 76ers are interested in trading for Amare Stoudemire and Iman Shumpert, according to Stephen A. Smith of ESPN.
If the Knicks can get Amare off their books, it would open up plenty of room to sign a free agent. Obviously, the Knicks will have to give up even more assets and it would be a bit shortsighted. STAT will be a free agent next season, so it would probably just behoove the Knicks to suck it up this season and try to make a splash in a solid 2015 free agent class
Doesn't really make any sense to me
Unless the Knicks think they're legitimately going to get LeBron
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The only way I can see them unloading that is of they're making a play at Melo + LeBron
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If losing Shumpert means getting Amare off the books today, do it. Don't look back.
Then push hard for Melo and Lebron (who is going home to Cleveland).
Shumpert is going to have a tough time playing on this team if Melo returns anyway. Calderon and Hardaway are going to wind up the starting guards, with JR going back to being 6th man. The Knicks have way too many guards right now. They still have Pablo, and they got two others besides Calderon in the Chandler trade. Someone has to go. I know Heismanberg would hate it, but if it gets rid of STAT, let Shump who'd likely have to move permanently to SF, go.
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The only way I can see them unloading that is of they're making a play at Melo + LeBron
The only alternative I can see is if they think it's the only way to keep Melo here (freeing cash to sign him. Some other players)
I mean with the way the NBA is, someone line Melo is exceptionally valuable
Maybe they just don't want to let him go
Though I have zero freaking clue who they'd be trying to sign with this immediately freed up cash
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Here's a scenario. Three team trade. Shump and Amare+ to Philly, Philly sends some package to the T-Wolves who then send Love to NY. It would likely take more than just Shump and Amare to make it happen, but why not?
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They may be making room for Toney Douglas
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Here's a scenario. Three team trade. Shump and Amare+ to Philly, Philly sends some package to the T-Wolves who then send Love to NY. It would likely take more than just Shump and Amare to make it happen, but why not?
lol. if the sixers are willing to pay the price for Love, they'll want Love and not Amare/Shump. The Warriors have reportedly offered Klay Thompson, David Lee and a couple 1st for Love/Martin(a pure salary dump for Minny) and the Wolves have balked.
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lol. if the sixers are willing to pay the price for Love, they'll want Love and not Amare/Shump. The Warriors have reportedly offered Klay Thompson, David Lee and a couple 1st for Love/Martin(a pure salary dump for Minny) and the Wolves have balked.
Well if he wouldn't be willing to sign an extension with them, it doesn't matter what they'd be willing to pay
And Amare does have an expiring contract after this season, so it's not like they'd have to keep him forever
The question is what else would the Knicks give up?
I'd bet it includes some of the guys from Dallas
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Love is not going to sign in New York, either. He wants to win and he prefers the West Coast.
And again, the price for Love is sky freaking high and anyone willing to even approach the price is going to approach it for Love, not for Shump(who was worth a single 1st in pre-draft trade talks). The Knicks don't have the assets to move to compensate anyone for Love.
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Love is not going to sign in New York, either. He wants to win and he prefers the West Coast.
And again, the price for Love is sky freaking high and anyone willing to even approach the price is going to approach it for Love, not for Shump(who was worth a single 1st in pre-draft trade talks). The Knicks don't have the assets to move to compensate anyone for Love.
Knicks would have quite a bit more assets if they sign and trade Melo, to say the Lakers or elsewhere
There's zero chance of love coming here though
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What do the Lakers have to offer? I can't recall anything of real value other than future picks.
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What do the Lakers have to offer? I can't recall anything of real value other than future picks.
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Eff if i know
I just know there's a handful of teams who would jump to get Melo
On a side note
Would it even be possible for a trade to be as simple as we give them Shumpert to take Amare?
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Would it even be possible for a trade to be as simple as we give them Shumpert to take Amare?
Avoiding the Salary cap implications(which would nix this type of deal instantly), there needs to be something of value going back. Cash considerations are probly not enough to satisfy the NBA to allow this type of thing to occur.
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The Love "trade" was simply me "thinking out loud." The fact is, there is no really good reason to give away Shumpert to force someone to take Amare if the Knicks aren't going to immediately use that money. This is STAT's last year, so that money comes off the books in a year anyway.
I saw a little while ago that Phil is also shopping away Bargnani, who is also on his expiring year. He has to be trying to gather up all the cash he can for a move right now. LeBron is a ridiculous thought (though I'd certainly go bananas if Phil managed to get Melo and LeBron). So what other move makes sense? They shouldn't need the combination of Chandler, Felton, Amare, and Bargnani to get Melo and Gasol.
On a related note, Melo is supposedly having a tough time deciding between NY, LA, and the Bulls. I know there are people who think the Knicks are better off starting over without him, but I completely disagree. He's a centerpiece player in the prime of his career. Build fast around him, even if you have to spend every dime you have to do so.
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On a related note, Melo is supposedly having a tough time deciding between NY, LA, and the Bulls. I know there are people who think the Knicks are better off starting over without him, but I completely disagree. He's a centerpiece player in the prime of his career. Build fast around him, even if you have to spend every dime you have to do so.
I kind of want to see Melo return to NY to see people reverse their backpedaling about him.
"We got Phil Jackson! Melo is here to stay!"
"Looks like Melo is leaving. He's almost past his prime and won't fit into the system. Time to start over."
"Melo's back, we goin to da ship!"
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I kind of want to see Melo return to NY to see people reverse their backpedaling about him.
I will not
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i sure hope he signs with the lakers, that way they can keep losing and we can enjoy dual melo/kobe "why wont they give me the ball" faces during every loss
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Ideal scenario: Anthony sign-and-trade with Chicago involving McBuckets, Mirotic, and picks
I'm OK if he stays or goes, but I think the team is way better off moving on. Just tank in 2014-2015, get that high lottery pick, and then add a couple high-end free agents with all of that new money.
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Ideal scenario: Anthony sign-and-trade with Chicago involving McBuckets, Mirotic, and picks
I'm OK if he stays or goes, but I think the team is way better off moving on. Just tank in 2014-2015, get that high lottery pick, and then add a couple high-end free agents with all of that new money.
If they managed to unload Bargs and STAT now, that money is there today. Plus you have a prime Melo to couple with anyone you purchase today and next year.
They have a first rounder in 2015, but no second-rounder. In 2016, they have to swap with the Nuggets and the Raptors. So even the future drafts aren't really good for the organization.
If they pull a sign-and-trade, at least they'd restock the draft, which I could buy into. I certainly can't knock your POV but I still want Carmelo to play and win here.
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Ideal scenario: Anthony sign-and-trade with Chicago involving McBuckets, Mirotic, and picks
I'm OK if he stays or goes, but I think the team is way better off moving on. Just tank in 2014-2015, get that high lottery pick, and then add a couple high-end free agents with all of that new money.
More like Boozer, Dunleavy the Bulls 2015 first, and Sacramentos protected 1st. Still not a bad package when you consider the alternative is losing him to the Lakers for nothing and if there's one thing the Knicks can use its 1st round picks. But the Bulls absolutely think they can fit in Mirotic with the full mid-level and still get Anthony once they get rid of Boozer's expiring, whether its by trade, or in the worst-case scenario, amnesty.
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More like Boozer, Dunleavy the Bulls 2015 first, and Sacramentos protected 1st. Still not a bad package when you consider the alternative is losing him to the Lakers for nothing and if there's one thing the Knicks can use its 1st round picks. But the Bulls absolutely think they can fit in Mirotic with the full mid-level and still get Anthony once they get rid of Boozer's expiring, whether its by trade, or in the worst-case scenario, amnesty.
I don't want anything to do with Carlos Boozer
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I don't want anything to do with Carlos Boozer
He's an expiring big contract. No one wants such things.
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He's an expiring big contract. No one wants such things.
Chicago is probably going to amnesty Boozer, right?
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Chicago is probably going to amnesty Boozer, right?
From what I gather, they don't want to amnesty boozer and would rather keep him if they can't ship him off.
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It now appears that the Knicks don't want to include Shumpert in a take-Amare-please deal. If they can find a way to dump STAT without giving up Shumpert, I certainly won't complain, but I still think he's worth sacrificing to rid ourselves of Amare.
That is only if Melo returns though, which is starting to seem less certain. Supposedly he's been in contact with Kobe more than once and LA made big appeals including telling Anthony that once Kobe's contract expires it's "his team" and promoting LaLa's acting career.
Supposedly the Bulls still remain a strong contender, but it will definitely require a sign-and-trade to make it happen. As much as I'd really not like to see him in Chicago, it's better than the Heat or losing him for nothing.
Hardaway's name has been floated in conversations as well, but the Knicks are reluctant to trade him (good).
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Chicago is probably going to amnesty Boozer, right?
The only way they don't is if someone takes him in a sign-and-trade, or they strike out on literally every free agent they can/will chase.
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Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN · 26m
Carmelo told a friend within hour "I believe in Phil." Thursday is decision day & it looks like Melo's coming home http://nydn.us/1tokIe4
SNY just had a program break about it.
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They better get rid of STAT then
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Wonder if Melo is going to get mad Respect if he comes back here
Instead of being a fleeting bundle of sticks like LeBron and having to make a dream team elsewhere, he decides to stick with his flaming dumpster franchise and turn them into contenders
And I'd imagine it will be exponentially more compounded if he wins a championship here and that bundle of sticks goes back to southbeach
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Wonder if Melo is going to get mad Respect if he comes back here
Instead of being a fleeting bundle of sticks like LeBron and having to make a dream team elsewhere, he decides to stick with his flaming dumpster franchise and turn them into contenders
And I'd imagine it will be exponentially more compounded if he wins a championship here and that bundle of sticks goes back to southbeach
Carmelo Anthony is not going to win a championship as long as Lebron James is in the East.
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Carmelo Anthony is not going to win a championship as long as Lebron James is in the East.
If Bosh and Wade both resign in Miami long term, then progressively decay. Then the Knicks bring in legitimate elite talent (ie Paul, Love, Rondo) and Jackson brings in a few depth bodies they certainly could
Maybe not a perennial force to reckoned with, but the NBA is entirely dependent on free agency basically
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If Bosh and Wade both resign in Miami long term, then progressively decay.
This is probably not happening.
Then the Knicks bring in legitimate elite talent (ie Paul, Love, Rondo) and Jackson brings in a few depth bodies they certainly could
This is probably not happening.
Maybe not a perennial force to reckoned with, but the NBA is entirely dependent on free agency basically
No, it's not. It is more important than the draft, especially for teams that consistently contend...but it's not entirely dependent on FA. Look at OKC, POR, SA, IND, and GS.
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The key, if Melo decides to return (it's still an if), is dumping STAT and Bargnani and acquiring some more talent. Perhaps Love? Heismanberg, would you be willing to part with Shumpert-plus to acquire Love? I'm not sure we have enough to trade to make it happen, but stranger things have happened. I'd sell out the future to make it happen.
Of course, until I hear otherwise, I can cling to the hope that Melo re-signs, Phil finds a way to dump Amare and Bargs and gives Lebron a two-year deal.
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Heismanberg, would you be willing to part with Shumpert-plus to acquire Love?
Most definitely
If trading him brings an elite player in, I'm good with it. I didn't want to see him traded for a draft pick. I just didn't want to see them trade him away for a European import prospect or any developmental prospect.
Packaging him with Stoudemire to clear some cap space would lead to getting a potentially elite player.
We know that the kid will defend his derriere off and he seems like a pretty good teammate, but you don't pass up a 25 year old elite big man for a wing player.
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This is probably not happening.
This is probably not happening.
No, it's not. It is more important than the draft, especially for teams that consistently contend...but it's not entirely dependent on FA. Look at OKC, POR, SA, IND, and GS.
With Wades knee ? I dont think its wildly unrealistic to think he could turn into Amare in 0-2 years. Its certainly far from certainty, but by no means far fetched.
And why cant the Knicks sign a big talent ? Because of Melo ? Obviously someone like Paul is under contract, but I imagine some other superstar has to become available in a year or two
and ok the exception to that is the #1 pick in the draft (occasionally #2) (Duncan, Durant, Lebron)
But overall the NBA draft is quite shitty
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The key, if Melo decides to return (it's still an if), is dumping STAT and Bargnani and acquiring some more talent. Perhaps Love? Heismanberg, would you be willing to part with Shumpert-plus to acquire Love? I'm not sure we have enough to trade to make it happen, but stranger things have happened. I'd sell out the future to make it happen.
Of course, until I hear otherwise, I can cling to the hope that Melo re-signs, Phil finds a way to dump Amare and Bargs and gives Lebron a two-year deal.
The Knicks could always play out the shitshow,and then just sign a big free agent next year as well ?
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Most definitely
If trading him brings an elite player in, I'm good with it. I didn't want to see him traded for a draft pick. I just didn't want to see them trade him away for a European import prospect or any developmental prospect.
Packaging him with Stoudemire to clear some cap space would lead to getting a potentially elite player.
We know that the kid will defend his derriere off and he seems like a pretty good teammate, but you don't pass up a 25 year old elite big man for a wing player.
Okay, I see where you're coming from now. I thought you were more along the lines of "Don't give up on this kid - he's too talented." But I can agree 100% with this line of thought.
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With Wades knee ? I dont think its wildly unrealistic to think he could turn into Amare in 0-2 years. Its certainly far from certainty, but by no means far fetched.
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Chris Bosh would be a complete fool to turn down a max deal from Houston. It's not far-fetched that they'll all return to Miami, but it's looking highly unlikely.
They'll still be really damn good if they do. Josh McRoberts and Danny Granger will help them too.
And why cant the Knicks sign a big talent ? Because of Melo ? Obviously someone like Paul is under contract, but I imagine some other superstar has to become available in a year or two
It has nothing to do with Carmelo Anthony. You just don't know what you're talking about and you're naming the handful of players that you've heard of.
1. Chris Paul signed a 5 year deal with the Clippers
2. Rajon Rondo is probably going to get traded in the near future.
3. Love is about to get traded soon too. He'll likely re-sign if he ends up in Cleveland or Golden State.
Kevin Durant in 2016 is probably who the Knicks are targeting. I doubt he leaves OKC.
Marc Gasol should be the Knicks top target next offseason whether Anthony returns or not. Perfect fit in the triangle.
and ok the exception to that is the #1 pick in the draft (occasionally #2) (Duncan, Durant, Lebron)
But overall the NBA draft is quite shitty
Steph Curry, Damian Lillard, Kevin Love, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Demar DeRozan, Lamarcus Aldridge, Russell Westbrook, Goran Dragic, Dirk Nowitzki, Klay Thompson, Joakim Noah, Demarcus Cousins, Tony Parker, and James Harden
Sit down
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Steph Curry, Damian Lillard, Kevin Love, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Demar DeRozan, Lamarcus Aldridge, Russell Westbrook, Goran Dragic, Dirk Nowitzki, Klay Thompson, Joakim Noah, Demarcus Cousins, Tony Parker, and James Harden
I now learned the importance of the draft
With a list of 15 players, 13 of whom have never won a championship.
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I now learned the importance of the draft
With a list of 15 players, 13 of whom have never won a championship.
You are a mouth-breathing dunce cap
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So now the word is Cleveland has a deal with the T-Wolves to acquire Love, contingent on Lebron signing with the Cavs. The new Big-3 will be Lebron, Love, and Irving.
Say good-bye to any hope of winning the East if you don't play in Ohio.
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So now the word is Cleveland has a deal with the T-Wolves to acquire Love, contingent on Lebron signing with the Cavs. The new Big-3 will be Lebron, Love, and Irving.
Say good-bye to any hope of winning the East if you don't play in Ohio.
That would be a pretty cool team. I wouldn't even be mad.
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That would be a pretty cool team. I wouldn't even be mad.
Neither would I.
It's about time Cleveland had something to be optimistic about.
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Neither would I.
It's about time Cleveland had something to be optimistic about.
Well they had reason to be optimistic about the Browns for the few weeks where it looked like they'd have Manziel and Gordon
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So now the word is Cleveland has a deal with the T-Wolves to acquire Love, contingent on Lebron signing with the Cavs. The new Big-3 will be Lebron, Love, and Irving.
Say good-bye to any hope of winning the East if you don't play in Ohio.
If this trade goes down, I'm interested to see how they trade. Andrew Wiggins absolutely has to be a part of this trade. Tristan Thompson/Andy Varajao and Dion Waiters will probably go too, because Irving hates Waiters.
Ray Allen and Mike Miller will sign with Cleveland is James goes back.
Anthony Bennett would get a massive stock boost if he isn't shipped off.
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I wouldn't hate that team, but I certainly wouldn't like it. I'd have a lot more respect for LeBron for "going home." That team would be an absolute force though, so the Knicks (and any other East team) would just be grass for them to graze on.
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I wouldn't hate that team, but I certainly wouldn't like it. I'd have a lot more respect for LeBron for "going home." That team would be an absolute force though, so the Knicks (and any other East team) would just be grass for them to graze on.
Kevin Love is a hell of a player, but if they end up moving Varajao in this potential trade, they are going to be incredible weak inside.
Love is a hell of player and he gets boards, but he is not a good defender. Anthony Bennett has a long ways to go.
Teams with legit big men like Charlotte, Indiana, Chicago, Brooklyn, Memphis, and even Detroit could give them trouble.
I'm worried about what's going on with Detroit. Drummond is outstanding and SVG is building something similar to what he had in Orlando with Dwight Howard.
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Melo has ruled out the Lakers and is deciding between Chicago and the Knicks.
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Melo has ruled out the Lakers and is deciding between Chicago and the Knicks.
A sign-and-trade with Chicago is what I'm hoping for. It's a meh move if he comes back. The Knicks will be a playoff team sooner than later if he comes back, but they won't even come close to taking down Cleveland.
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The fans that are complaining about Anthony taking his time to decide are beyond stupid
"WE GAVE HIM EVERYTHING!"
Look at the roster, fuckin idiots
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The fans that are complaining about Anthony taking his time to decide are beyond stupid
"WE GAVE HIM EVERYTHING!"
Look at the roster, fuckin idiots
Well they shall wait no longer (well ok, theyll wait a little longer till its officially official, but now its unofficially, official)
Carmelo Anthony will soon accept a five-year, $129 million contract from the Knicks, according to Adrian Wojnarowski.
Frank Isola reported that Melo would stay in New York earlier in the week, and once Pau Gasol signed with Chicago it was a near certainty. Melo and the Knicks may struggle during the 2014-15 season but they're poised to be major players in free agency next summer. From a fantasy perspective, Anthony is in a perfect situation as the lead gunner on a team in need of reliable scoring, and he should benefit from the Knicks' acquisition of Jose Calderon for Raymond Felton.
http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketball
Its from Wojnarowski, which means Melo is a Knick in my book
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Calderon
Shumpert
Hardaway Jr.
Anthony
Dalembert
That team will be pretty bad
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The King is back
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Calderon
Shumpert
Hardaway Jr.
Anthony
Dalembert
That team will be pretty bad
That team still makes the playoffs in the East.
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That team still makes the playoffs in the East.
Probably, but that's not anything to get excited about.
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Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN 33m
I'm pretty sure Carmelo will take less than $129 million. Not saying it will be five years $100 but it won't be $129 million
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Probably, but that's not anything to get excited about.
Keeps the fans occupied though until they make a run at Marc Gasol next year.
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If we manage to dump Amar'e off in Philly (still need to get over cap floor), we should tender an offer to Greg Monroe.
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Melo decided to write an open letter to the fans too
http://www.thisismelo.com/
A few years ago I dreamed of coming back to New York City, the place of my birth, and on February 23, 2011 that became a reality. This organization has supported me and in return, I want to stay and build here with this city and my team. At this pivotal juncture in my career, I owed it to myself and my family to explore all of the options available to me. Through it all, my heart never wavered.
During this journey I met with some quality organizations who have amazing talent and leadership. I thank them for their consideration, belief in my talent, and opportunity to imagine the possibilities.
I will always remember this chapter in my life. In the end, I am a New York Knick at heart. I am looking forward to continue my career in Orange & Blue and to work with Phil Jackson, a champion who builds championship teams. Madison Square Garden is the mecca of basketball and I am surrounded by the greatest fans in the world.
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If we manage to dump Amar'e off in Philly (still need to get over cap floor), we should tender an offer to Greg Monroe.
getting matched
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I've been lovin' me some Larkin over these few Summer League games, hopefully he'll continue to prove that he deserved to be a 1st round pick. Him and Early are making me more and more happy everyday with how big of a robbery this Felton trade might turn out to be.
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I'm not sure if I mentioned it in this thread or on this forum, but Melo's deal isn't going to be that at all considering we're likely to see a 15-20 mil cap increase once the TV money comes in 2 years.
We grab marc Gasol next year and make a run at KD in 16. That'd be a formidable team especially if one or two of our young guys hit.
The heat are reloading to try and make a splash then too but they have no young players / picks to do that. It'll be dinosaur bosh, josh mcroberts, and Napier.
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KD isn't coming to New York
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Also they signed Jason Smith to a 1 yr deal today for 3.2 mil (tax payer mid level).
Nice big man depth signing. Plays good D. Him and Dalembert can hold down the C position with a little amare mixed in
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Also they signed Jason Smith to a 1 yr deal today for 3.2 mil (tax payer mid level).
Nice big man depth signing. Plays good D. Him and Dalembert can hold down the C position with a little amare mixed in
Smith isn't bad at all.
Stoudemire needs to GTFO.
If Cole Aldrich can stay healthy, he might be decent.
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Smith isn't bad at all.
Stoudemire needs to GTFO.
If Cole Aldrich can stay healthy, he might be decent.
STAT will be fine in a limited role as the 4/5. He played well in the second half of last season. Plus his contract comes off the books which is a huge bonus.
As bad as his contract is it's nowhere near as bad as that Bargnani signing which has been a disaster. I actually supported that move last season too
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STAT will be fine in a limited role as the 4/5. He played well in the second half of last season. Plus his contract comes off the books which is a huge bonus.
I can dream of not having to watch that no knee having mother fucker in 2014-2015.
As bad as his contract is it's nowhere near as bad as that Bargnani signing which has been a disaster. I actually supported that move last season too
So did I. Hopefully he'll be somewhat salvageable in the triangle. Doubt it though.
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KD isn't coming to New York
You don't know that.
even if he doesn't, still a nice 2016 free agent class
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You don't know that.
even if he doesn't, still a nice 2016 free agent class
All its going to take is a excrement situation in Oklahoma, and he might have to book. Ie they sign one bad max contract guy, and he'd be crazy to stay there.
And if the Knicks ate competitive, the thought of Jackson and being the future king of NY (as Melo will be older) could appeal to an athlete
Of course you'd have to see how like the Lakers and other big ticket teams look as well
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And if the Knicks ate competitive, the thought of Jackson and being the future king of NY (as Melo will be older) could appeal to an athlete
The biggest draw for Durant is Derek Fisher coaching in NY now.
I still don't think he leaves the Western Conference.
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If Kevin Durant has any interest in enjoying his 20s and 30s as a multi millionaire he'll get the freak out of Oklahoma
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If Kevin Durant has any interest in enjoying his 20s and 30s as a multi millionaire he'll get the freak out of Oklahoma
He's getting married already (for some reason).
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He's getting married already (for some reason).
He's an introvert.
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If Kevin Durant has any interest in enjoying his 20s and 30s as a multi millionaire he'll get the freak out of Oklahoma
When you get multiple 100+ million dollar contracts, I'd wager you could enjoy your 20 and 30s in Oklahoma.
During the season I'm sure you're so freaking busy where you live is near irrelevant
And when the season ends he can go enjoy life in his 20 million dollar home in NY cali Florida or wherever
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He's an introvert.
so
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Turns out Melo has a no trade clause
Guess he's gonna be here forever
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Turns out Melo has a no trade clause
Guess he's gonna be here forever
That's what he wanted and I respect him more for the loyalty. Hopefully he continues to score at an elite level until his mid 30s.
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Melo can shoot, which lends to the longevity of his career
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He took a bit less money in exchange for a no trade clause to "help the team." He also got himself a year-4 opt-out. Make no mistake, Melo gave up $5M but in return gained absolute control over his own destiny.
A no-trade clause doesn't mean you can't be traded. It just means you can't be traded against your will.
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He took a bit less money in exchange for a no trade clause to "help the team." He also got himself a year-4 opt-out. Make no mistake, Melo gave up $5M but in return gained absolute control over his own destiny.
A no-trade clause doesn't mean you can't be traded. It just means you can't be traded against your will.
The no trade clause is built into the new cba, any player with like 8+ years in the league and 4 + seasons with a current team, who signs a new contract with the same team as a free agent (extensions don't count) gets an automatic no trade clause.
Melo was technically only here 3.5 years, but it counted non the less
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The no trade clause is built into the new cba, any player with like 8+ years in the league and 4 + seasons with a current team, who signs a new contract with the same team as a free agent (extensions don't count) gets an automatic no trade clause.
Melo was technically only here 3.5 years, but it counted non the less
I don't know about that. According to Frank Isola:
Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki are the only other NBA players with no trade clauses. Anthony negotiated a no-trade into his contract after structuring his deal to give Knicks president Phil Jackson salary-cap flexibility next summer.
Even if a no-trade is part of the new CBA, Melo still negotiated it into the contract himself. It wasn't automatic. (Actually, I looked it up, see below.)
A "no-trade" clause prevents the team from trading the player without the player's consent. A no-trade clause can be negotiated into a new contract1 if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons
A player can negotiate it into the contract, but it's not automatic at all.
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I don't know about that. According to Frank Isola:
Even if a no-trade is part of the new CBA, Melo still negotiated it into the contract himself. It wasn't automatic. (Actually, I looked it up, see below.)
A player can negotiate it into the contract, but it's not automatic at all.
Meh, I can't blame Melo
He's a free agent, who took a paycut.
Guy legitimately could've gone to almost any team in the entire league of his choosing, and received a max contract there.
So if he's going to do the Knicks a huge favor (which he did by returning) then I see no issue with him having the power to say you can't trade me without permission.
Do you think bulls or Lakers fans would be pissed in the slightest if Melo signed with them, and demanded a no trade clause? (assuming he could)
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The no trade clause is built into the new cba, any player with like 8+ years in the league and 4 + seasons with a current team, who signs a new contract with the same team as a free agent (extensions don't count) gets an automatic no trade clause.
no. that's the only way you CAN get a no trade clause
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Meh, I can't blame Melo
He's a free agent, who took a paycut.
Guy legitimately could've gone to almost any team in the entire league of his choosing, and received a max contract there.
So if he's going to do the Knicks a huge favor (which he did by returning) then I see no issue with him having the power to say you can't trade me without permission.
Do you think bulls or Lakers fans would be pissed in the slightest if Melo signed with them, and demanded a no trade clause? (assuming he could)
You make it sound like I think it's a bad thing he got the no-trade. On the contrary, I admire him for working it in. $5M isn't a lot of money for him to sacrifice to assure himself that he entirely controls his own situation for the rest of his career. Athletes often speak about the "business" of their sport. This was an intelligent business move.
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Sounds like the Knicks are shopping JR Smith now
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Sounds like the Knicks are shopping JR Smith now
I'd be very happy if they get anything for that bundle of sticks
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I'd be very happy if they get anything for that bundle of sticks
He's not terrible, but his contract is. Moving him is about freeing up money for 2015 more than anything.
I'm keeping an eye on Dion Waiters in Cleveland. Kyrie Irving doesn't get along with him and he doesn't want to come off the bench. JR Smith is cool with being a sixth man.
Lakers, Sixers, and Cavaliers make the most sense if Smith is moved.
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He's not terrible, but his contract is. Moving him is about freeing up money for 2015 more than anything.
I'm keeping an eye on Dion Waiters in Cleveland. Kyrie Irving doesn't get along with him and he doesn't want to come off the bench. JR Smith is cool with being a sixth man.
Lakers, Sixers, and Cavaliers make the most sense if Smith is moved.
He's talented
But he has a excrement attitude, off the field issues, and can be a bone headed freaking tard on the court
I'd rather a slightly less talented guy with a good head on his shoulders
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I still like JR. He's certainly making too much too money, but I still think he'd be a great player for this team coming off the bench.
In terms of freeing up money for next year, I'm starting to wonder just how much more we need to free up. If Love goes to Cleveland it shallows the potential pool next year even further. It may wind up that the Knicks have loads of available cash and no one to spend it on.
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He's talented
But he has a excrement attitude, off the field issues, and can be a bone headed freaking tard on the court
I'd rather a slightly less talented guy with a good head on his shoulders
He's one of the most aggravating players that I've ever watched, because if he had his excrement together, he'd be an amazing player. Instead he's your classic chucker that can shoot the lights out one night and then shoot 25% for the next five games. He does some unreal things on the court when he's on.
Jamal Crawford and JR Smith have a place in this league because they can come off the bench and win games for you. If they move him, the bench takes a big hit and so does the offense.
I haven't really had a problem with his attitude here - everybody quit last season. He's annoying when he keeps shooting when he's cold, but that's what you're going to get with him.
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I still think he'd be a great player for this team coming off the bench.
If he isn't coming off the bench, I have a problem with him. He has tremendous value as a sixth man. But if he's starting over Shumpert/Hardaway Jr., then I won't get it.
In terms of freeing up money for next year, I'm starting to wonder just how much more we need to free up. If Love goes to Cleveland it shallows the potential pool next year even further. It may wind up that the Knicks have loads of available cash and no one to spend it on.
Marc Gasol and Lamarcus Aldridge are both better options than Kevin Love.
LeBron James might be a free agent again too.
Al Jefferson and Rajon Rondo could also be available.
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If he isn't coming off the bench, I have a problem with him. He has tremendous value as a sixth man. But if he's starting over Shumpert/Haradway Jr., then I won't get it.
I 100% agree with you. His perfect spot is 6th Man. His streetball style works against the rotational guys, but against starters he's a ticking time bomb.
Marc Gasol and Lamarcus Aldridge are both better options than Kevin Love.
LeBron James might be a free agent again too.
I was just talking about Gasol the other day with my brother. He's largely in favor of bringing him in. I wonder how much truth there is to the theory that the Knicks considered pursuing Pau just to entice him.
As for James, I hadn't realized he had an opt out after the single year.
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I was just talking about Gasol the other day with my brother. He's largely in favor of bringing him in. I wonder how much truth there is to the theory that the Knicks considered pursuing Pau just to entice him.
Jose Calderon is close with the Gasol brothers as well.
The Big Burrito is a great fit in the triangle that Fisher/Jackson are going to install.
Kevin Love is a hell of a player, but I don't really see a big man that wants to shoot ten threes a game fitting well with Carmelo Anthony. This team needs a post presence. Love is also really overrated as a defender because of his high rebound totals.
As for James, I hadn't realized he had an opt out after the single year.
Like Kevin Durant, he's not going to come to New York, but it's fun to think about.
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ESPN Insider Tom Haberstroh has a metric to measure the value –- or lack thereof –- of contracts agreed to so far this summer.
He compared the player’s average annual salary to the amount expected based on the player's age and 2013-14 production.
Carmelo’s deal -– worth $124 million over five years -– ranked worst in Haberstroh’s ranking.
Writes Haberstroh:
“According to the metrics, Anthony will be one of the most overpaid players in the game.
Like most, RPM sees Anthony as a below-average player on the defensive end. As such, he needs to be otherworldly on offense to warrant a $125 million commitment. Anthony's a great scorer, but he rated as only the 18th-best offensive player in the league last season. That's probably a bit unkind, but Melo's age and defensive struggles make this contract a dubious one by any estimation.”
Habrestroh ranks Chris Bosh’s deal with Miami and Utah’s deal with Gordon Hayward as the second and third worst of the offseason.
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=new-yorkknicks&id=58067&city=newyork
With the way the NBA salary cap works, I really don't see how you can say this is a horrible contract
Wasn't interested enough to read up more on this stupid metric, but I'd guess that it unfairly ranks most players with Max contracts
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Haberstroh is a heat homer and a stat nerd.
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Carmelo Anthony on a max deal is nowhere near as bad as the ridiculous contracts that Chandler Parsons and Gordon Hayward got
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Carmelo Anthony on a max deal is nowhere near as bad as the ridiculous contracts that Chandler Parsons and Gordon Hayward got
I'd take the Parsons and Hayward deals over Bosh's.
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Bosh is the same age as Melo and Melo only got 6 million more.
Half the heat fanbase wanted Bosh nudged out the door to Houston so they could replace him in the big 3 with Melo.
Bosh is nowhere near the scorer Melo is.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/58074/source-knicks-open-to-dealing-j-r-shump
please keep Shumpert
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I don't see the point in giving up Shump just to help get amare's contract off the books. Just wait a season. We ain't competing next year anyway.
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I don't see the point in giving up Shump just to help get amare's contract off the books. Just wait a season. We ain't competing next year anyway.
That's not the point
The point is they have 3 scoring guards in Shumpert, Smith, and Larkin
And they gotta get rid of one of them.
I imagine Smith is gonna be number one on the ship out list, but he's probably also gonna be the hardest to get anything for
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The point is they have 3 scoring guards in Shumpert, Smith, and Larkin
Please don't tell me you think that SG stands for scoring guard.
Also, Shumpert is more of a wing player that plays excellent perimeter defense. Shane Larkin is a point guard.
(http://i.imgur.com/sOmMflv.png)
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SG might as well mean scoring guard
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Please don't tell me you think that SG stands for scoring guard.
Also, Shumpert is more of a wing player that plays excellent perimeter defense. Shane Larkin is a point guard.
(http://i.imgur.com/sOmMflv.png)
none of them play passing guard though
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Jose Calderon is close with the Gasol brothers as well.
The Big Burrito is a great fit in the triangle that Fisher/Jackson are going to install.
Kevin Love is a hell of a player, but I don't really see a big man that wants to shoot ten threes a game fitting well with Carmelo Anthony. This team needs a post presence. Love is also really overrated as a defender because of his high rebound totals.
Like Kevin Durant, he's not going to come to New York, but it's fun to think about.
I don't have strong feelings about Love either way. I'm always of the mind that you find a place for a great player and adjust the system if need be. At the same time, I'm okay with having a plan that doesn't include him. My brother made the same argument about Love not fitting well with Anthony.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/58074/source-knicks-open-to-dealing-j-r-shump
please keep Shumpert
Obviously, if they can find a taker for Smith, he's the guy to go, but that's highly doubtful. I see Shumpert as the highest "value" in those three on the block. Will he net a decent pick or player, or allow the Knicks to unload Bargnani or Stoudemire? I don't know that he'll gain fair return value in a trade.
I do like that Hardaway has become untouchable. I still believe he and Melo will make a great scoring duo.
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If the Knicks trade Iman Shumpert, this will be one of the worst defensive teams in the history of the NBA.
Calderon, Bargnani, Stoudemire, Hardaway Jr, and Melo do not play defense.
It would be painful to watch.
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If the Knicks trade Iman Shumpert, this will be one of the worst defensive teams in the history of the NBA.
Calderon, Bargnani, Stoudemire, Hardaway Jr, and Melo do not play defense.
It would be painful to watch.
Bargs and Amare likely aren't sticking around for long
So yeah it might be a horrendous defensive team for a single season, but then we're replacing two of those guys
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Bargs and Amare likely aren't sticking around for long
I'm talking about this season. I don't care about 2015-2016 right now.
They're gone after this season if the Knicks don't move them now.
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The Knicks traded Wayne Ellington, Jeremy Tyler, and a 2016 second round pick to Sacramento for Quincy Acy and Travis Outlaw.
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http://nypost.com/2014/08/12/knicks-to-open-vs-bulls-cavs-sources/
Knicks open up against the Bulls at home, followed by a road trip to Cleveland.
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What is that the "see what you could have had Melo" tour?
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Melo's gone on the Lebron diet.
Both guys are skinny as hell right now.
Phil wants Melo at SF so he's gonna be more of a facilitator
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http://deadspin.com/amare-stoudemire-bathes-in-red-wine-for-some-damn-reas-1647278589
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Read this article
I love what phil is trying to do with this. Zen trick
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=11654375
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When do the Jets start up again?
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this team is going to be derriere for a while
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this team is going to be derriere for a while
Yeah, it's bad when they tell you before the season they don't expect to compete for anything of significance.
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Yeah, it's bad when they tell you before the season they don't expect to compete for anything of significance.
That's like 70% of the NBA every year.
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That's like 70% of the NBA every year.
I think its more like 28/32 teams
Closer to 85-90%
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I think its more like 28/32 teams
Closer to 85-90%
Yeah, I guess was being conservative.
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this team is going to be derriere for a while
It really is.
I know you like Shumpert but he looks worse every time I see him. He just looks lost. In fairness, right now, everyone except Amare looked lost last night.
The triangle has to take a backseat for now. At least until they get another player or two to help. Get Melo the ball, and let Amare continue to do what he was doing last night until his legs fall off. Everyone else just get out of the way.
Oh, and someone play some defense!
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I know you like Shumpert but he looks worse every time I see him. He just looks lost. In fairness, right now, everyone except Amare looked lost last night.
Shumpert, Smith, and Anthony have no idea how to play in this system yet. Shump was getting open looks and missing. I like him because he's a great defender with big upside.
The triangle has to take a backseat for now.
No, it doesn't. It's one game. Chicago is probably the second best team in the East.
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I like Shumpert, you need someone who can cover. It's going to be a process, I'm aware of that, but the Knicks shouldn't be one of those teams that doesn't have a chance. At least not nearly as often as they are.
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Shumpert, Smith, and Anthony have no idea how to play in this system yet. Shump was getting open looks and missing. I like him because he's a great defender with big upside.
No, it doesn't. It's one game. Chicago is probably the second best team in the East.
I sound like I can't stand Shumpert, and that's not the case. He just looked lost last night (as I said, so did everyone else). His defense will be absolutely critical this year, since he might be the only guy remotely interested in playing that side of the ball.
Chicago is unquestionably one of the best teams in the East. Still, the Knicks looked like a joke last night. I'm not saying the triangle has to be thrown out, but it needs time before these guys get it. In the meantime, feed Melo and let him put points on the board.
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Hahaha, it has already started. Calderon is out 2-3 weeks with a calf strain.
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Hahaha, it has already started. Calderon is out 2-3 weeks with a calf strain.
Nice.
I thought the Kid N Play hair was making a comeback but apparently it's only Shumpert.
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The NBA doesn't make sense.
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Yeah Knicks! Nice defense last possession, big shots from JR and Melo.
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Knicks. Championship.
Seriously though, last night was a case of the Lebrons having a bad night. The Cavs lost; the Knicks didn't particularly win. I'll certainly take it, especially since it ruined Lebron's homecoming, but it was not a well-played game.
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Knicks. Championship.
Seriously though, last night was a case of the Lebrons having a bad night. The Cavs lost; the Knicks didn't particularly win. I'll certainly take it, especially since it ruined Lebron's homecoming, but it was not a well-played game.
Lebron was something like 0-2 with 4 turnovers when Shump was covering him
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Lebron was something like 0-2 with 4 turnovers when Shump was covering him
Lebron was something like 0-2 with 4 turnovers when Shump was covering him
You know, I meant to call out Shump then forgot. As much as I don't particularly like what he does on the offensive side of the ball, his defense is really worthy of praise. Also, I like his ballhandling. He made a nice move with the ball last night that really caught my eye.
This still doesn't change the fact that Cleveland did not play well and Lebron was clearly suffering the effects of the "moment." I think the next time the Knicks play them it's going to be a drastically different story.
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LeBron a bitch yo
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LeBron a bitch yo
Lebron and his groupies are going to dominate soon.
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Knicks. Championship.
Seriously though, last night was a case of the Lebrons having a bad night. The Cavs lost; the Knicks didn't particularly win. I'll certainly take it, especially since it ruined Lebron's homecoming, but it was not a well-played game.
The Knicks played well. Just because the Cavs were disjointed, doesn't mean the Knicks didn't play well. They played 11 men and everyone except THJ and dalembert played important minutes.
The Knicks are missing their starting PG, another PF, and are incorporating a new system under a rookie head coach. The Knicks have a ton of adjustments to deal with too.
It was a team win. JR played under control, Melo was efficient, Larkin played really well, and Jason Smith was money. Even that Ware random white guy played solid D on LeBron.
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The Knicks played well. Just because the Cavs were disjointed, doesn't mean the Knicks didn't play well. They played 11 men and everyone except THJ and dalembert played important minutes.
The Knicks are missing their starting PG, another PF, and are incorporating a new system under a rookie head coach. The Knicks have a ton of adjustments to deal with too.
It was a team win. JR played under control, Melo was efficient, Larkin played really well, and Jason Smith was money. Even that Ware random white guy played solid D on LeBron.
It's not very often I watch a regular season Knicks game and wonder who half of the players are we're putting in the game.
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Good win last night, Shumpert a big 3 to tie and Melo for the win with a jumper, big rebound and FT. 2-1.
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I was too depressed over the Jets to watch the Knicks last night.
I saw this morning, however, the Knicks and Pacers are discussing swapping JR for Copeland. I'm still a JR fan, but it might be time to just make a clean break.
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I saw this morning, however, the Knicks and Pacers are discussing swapping JR for Copeland. I'm still a JR fan, but it might be time to just make a clean break.
That's a horrible trade for both sides. At least it clears cap for the Knicks.
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I was too depressed over the Jets to watch the Knicks last night.
I saw this morning, however, the Knicks and Pacers are discussing swapping JR for Copeland. I'm still a JR fan, but it might be time to just make a clean break.
I knew the Jets were fucked, after a weekend of Halloween and my daughter's birthday I had the Knicks Sunday night lined up on the DVR.
I would keep JR, he can get hot and win you some games, I liked Copeland but he won't do that. And Fisher seems to have no problem sitting anyone who isn't doing well.
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That's a horrible trade for both sides. At least it clears cap for the Knicks.
I see it as a move that simply gets Smith out of town.
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Well, at least Shump played a really good game
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Well, at least Shump played a really good game
He seems to be trying to take charge out there more. They need a solid point guard.
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I think the triangle will help Shumpert with the ball moving around more. He has more confidence in his 3 point shot right now.
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Carmelo played like garbage tonight. Shumpert continues to shoot well and Hardaway Jr. finally stepped up.
I really wish Anthony went elsewhere. This team has so many good young players that we'll probably trade so Anthony can get "help" ...
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Carmelo played like garbage tonight. Shumpert continues to shoot well and Hardaway Jr. finally stepped up.
I really wish Anthony went elsewhere. This team has so many good young players that we'll probably trade so Anthony can get "help" ...
We would be a joke without Melo
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We would be a joke without Melo
This team is bad with him.
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Cowherd was right... he is a jet ski.
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Melo is getting a lot of assists. Alan Hahn keeps making the point that Melo is still adjusting to the system. Once he is comfortable, the young team with him as the centerpiece has potential.
The Cavs are losing too. I'll bet no one there is saying "I wish Lebron had stayed in Miami."
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Knicks with more wins than the Jets.
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The Cavs are losing too. I'll bet no one there is saying "I wish Lebron had stayed in Miami."
LeBron James didn't shoot under 25% in their losses.
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LeBron James didn't shoot under 25% in their losses.
Fair enough.
I'm not defending Melo's play. It hasn't been good. I'm just saying maybe we should give him some time to acclimate to a system that's sole design isn't "Get Melo the ball then get out of the way."
Like I said, he's been getting assists, so he's buying into the system and that's critical.
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Melo is our best player, our best shot. He signed on to stay here, he's being a team player, he's in his prime. I would keep him and take my chances.
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yes, Melo is a flawed player.
He's also the best player the Knicks have had since Ewing. He's also a top 10 player when used correctly and he's not in a shooting funk. The Knicks have a couple of other nice pieces, but in no way do they have a complete team surrounding Melo.
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Knicks can match the Jets at 2-8 tonight. A lot longer way to go to play out the string though.
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Seven game losing streak is over, 3-8 baby!
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I dozed off last night and woke back up in time to see the Knicks and Devils both lose on rewind.
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I haven't watched a Knicks game in a while. Whenever I catch the scores I realize I'm not missing anything.
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I haven't watched a Knicks game in a while. Whenever I catch the scores I realize I'm not missing anything.
It fills in the week nights when the Jets aren't around to pee me off.
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It fills in the week nights when the Jets aren't around to pee me off.
Usually that's me as well, but with all of the craziness last week and catching up on some video gaming the week before, I just haven't gotten around to it. Their ineptitude doesn't exactly spur me to flip to MSG either.
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Pretty bad. Even the Isiah teams hung in the race until Thanksgiving.
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Pretty bad. Even the Isiah teams hung in the race until Thanksgiving.
#KeelforJahlil
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The Sixers/Knicks game is being dubbed the Jahlil Okafor sweepstakes.
I turned on the game for less than two minutes last night in the fourth quarter. The announcers were saying the Knicks were fighting back, now within 13. What an absolute trash heap this team is.
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These were supposed to be some games where they got their record respectable too. Four at home and some bad teams away.
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So close!
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Thanks for not ponying up for Kerr.
Sincerely,
Warriors fans
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Thanks for not ponying up for Kerr.
Sincerely,
Warriors fans
hope you guys win it all
such a fun team to watch and every player is likable
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freak that, IATA's had enough fun this year.
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freak everyone and their mother.
FYP
Is there anyone big in the draft and do we still have our pick?
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There is locker room sniping among the members of the team. Melo told Hardaway during the game last night he was going to fight him in the locker room after the game. This team is a mess.
I love Melo, and I still firmly believe you can build a championship team around him, but the Knicks might have been better off if he had gone elsewhere and they just went into full-rebuild mode.
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meh
let the team tank, get a top 3 pick, have a bunch of cap space.
Zen magic
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I'm not sure there are enough adjectives to describe how bad this team is. Blow it up.
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Melo will never be the centerpiece to a title team. He's too big of a selfish prick.
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If Melo takes the max in NY and Gasol goes elsewhere, this team will be such trash.
excrement
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excrement
Good job. I'm blaming you.
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Two more losses and they double up the Jets 2-11. An accomplishment in itself.
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If this means we end up getting Okafor or Towns, i'm down for shutting down Melo for a bit.
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This team is bad. There are problems everywhere. Poor coaching, bad personnel. I knew I shouldn't have, but I went and turned on the game late--but in time to watch the end of the 4Q and the first couple of minutes of OT.
Yesterday was also the one year anniversary of Dolan rejecting a Hardaway for Lowry deal. That worked out swell.
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This team is bad. There are problems everywhere. Poor coaching, bad personnel. I knew I shouldn't have, but I went and turned on the game late--but in time to watch the end of the 4Q and the first couple of minutes of OT.
Yesterday was also the one year anniversary of Dolan rejecting a Hardaway for Lowry deal. That worked out swell.
You can't say that yet because a pick was supposed to be involved too. our first this year
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You can't say that yet because a pick was supposed to be involved too. our first this year
Please tell me we have our first for this coming year.
I was checking in last night, was actually impressed they made it to OT. Asking for the Jets and Knicks to win on the same night was unrealistic, that's like a lunar eclipse.
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You can't say that yet because a pick was supposed to be involved too. our first this year
What, the Early pick? Oh no.
Lowry would've made this a better team starting the game. Instead, they have Hardaway chucking up bricks in rotation.
I understand your point, but it's a trade they should have made.
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We haven't had a break in the lottery since Ewing 30 years ago and people are still crying that that one was fixed.
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What, the Early pick? Oh no.
Lowry would've made this a better team starting the game. Instead, they have Hardaway chucking up bricks in rotation.
I understand your point, but it's a trade they should have made.
Early was a second this year, the trade was for Felton, Peace, and a 2018 first, and Lowry had an expiring contract.
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We haven't had a break in the lottery since Ewing 30 years ago and people are still crying that that one was fixed.
that's because we never have draft picks.
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Early was a second this year, the trade was for Felton, Peace, and a 2018 first, and Lowry had an expiring contract.
There was a trade scenario that involved Hardaway Jr. for Lowry. Dolan rejected it.
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that's because we never have draft picks.
Yeah, the 15 years or so Ewing was here we were always in the playoffs and not the lottery, and the past 15 we've managed to pee away a lot of lottery picks. We needed Steve Francis though.
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There was a trade scenario that involved Hardaway Jr. for Lowry. Dolan rejected it.
I remember something like that, but I looked it up and:
According to several reports, the Knicks were prepared to trade Raymond Felton and Metta World Peace plus Iman Shumpert or Tim Hardaway Jr. or a 2018 first-round pick. The Raptors preferred the first-round pick,
Not quite.
Which would not have been a great deal considering Lowry wasn't guaranteed to reup with the knicks this last summer.
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Kyle Lowry would not make much of a difference
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I remember something like that, but I looked it up and:
Not quite.
Which would not have been a great deal considering Lowry wasn't guaranteed to reup with the knicks this last summer.
That's fair. Still, Dolan put the kabosh on it, so screw him.
Kyle Lowry would not make much of a difference
He's far better than any guard on this team right now. Maybe they keep Chandler too if Lowry is here (even though I didn't particularly like him, he was light years better than anyone we trot out now).
Lowry, Melo, and Chandler would certainly be much better pieces for the triangle than the trash heap out there now.
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I hope Melo waives his no-trade clause and gets shipped out
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I hope Melo waives his no-trade clause and gets shipped out
I was reading the other that there is absolutely zero chance of it happening. Not only did he demand the no-trade because he wants to stay here, but there is also a kicker in the contract that gives him a balloon payment if he does waive the clause.
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I was reading the other that there is absolutely zero chance of it happening. Not only did he demand the no-trade because he wants to stay here, but there is also a kicker in the contract that gives him a balloon payment if he does waive the clause.
If he wants to win, he'll waive it.
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If he wants to win
Lol
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At 5-27 it's one game better than Rich Kotite's 4-28.
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At 5-27 it's one game better than Rich Kotite's 4-28.
I'm ready for Jahlil Okafor already.
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Knicks just traded away Shump and JR Smith for Reggie Jackson.
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Knicks just traded away Shump and JR Smith for Reggie Jackson.
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Reggie Jackson is not included in a deal to the Knicks, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. So far, unclear if he's headed anywhere at all.
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Knicks traded them for nothing.
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Knicks traded them for nothing.
Almost worth it to get that shitty JR contract out of here since Iman has been hurt on and off since that ACL injury.
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Well, future Thunder 1st and Future Cav's 2nd.
So...kind of something.
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freaking gay
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Per ESPN:
They have the option to waive all three players they traded for by Wednesday and not owe them anything. Sources told ESPN the team will also waive center Samuel Dalembert, a move that will save $3.8 million. In all, the moves to unload Shumpert, Smith and Dalembert will save the team more than $20 million in salary and luxury taxes.
still gay
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Just clearing the books, might as well. Take the Jets season, add 1-20 and you have the Knicks.
As a Seton Hall fan I always wanted Dalembert on the Knicks, I hope he enjoyed it here. Kind of thinking he didn't.
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Sucks to lose Shump but they're cleaning house.
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Glad I stopped watching weeks ago and that the Rangers decided to stop being mediocre.
Okafor hype train choo choo.
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Sucks to lose Shump but they're cleaning house.
Yeah I like Shump.
Sixers won too so one of our more productive nights in a while.
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I stopped watching weeks ago too.
I'm not sure this was a great trade either way. I was no Shump fan, but you gave him up for nothing. I was a JR fan but he never recovered from that Boston series. The biggest problem for this team is going to be the ability to spend that money now. They have one star (Anthony) who is hurt. Who knows how he'll bounce back. After that, the team will be barebones this summer. It's expected that they'll try to trade, and if not they'll release, STAT and the useless Italian. Who is going to want to play here next year?
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How does one like JR Smith, but not Iman Shumpert?
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Who is going to want to play here next year?
Rajon Rondo and Marc Gasol
please let us get Jahlil Okafor
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I had a fight with my brother over the TV last night. He wanted to watch the whole Knicks game. I can't understand why anyone would want to sit through an entire game of such a excrement team. He said it's because he's a real fan. I said it's because he's a fuckn idiot.
I need to get outa here.
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I watched them because nobody else of interest was on. I liked Smith and Shumpert, especially Shumpert, but at this point I'm just numb to it. We have to hope Phil Jackson knows what the hell he's doing, I'm willing to take that chance, if nothing else because hopefully that keeps Dolan the freak out of the way.
Amare comes off the books, we will have basically a clean slate and hopefully the top pick. I'd let Carmelo sit it out the rest of the way and get lined up for the summer. In the meantime get as many D league players in there the rest of the way and get a good long look at them. Maybe there's another Starks or Mason somewhere in there who could be a good supporting player when the new team is in place.
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How does one like JR Smith, but not Iman Shumpert?
I don't dislike Shumpert, but I never felt he was all that good. As a defender, I like him a lot, but offensively I don't.
Rajon Rondo and Marc Gasol
please let us get Jahlil Okafor
I'd be surprised if they wound up with Rondo. Gasol maybe, though every time I see a story about him he reportedly has no desire to come here.
The Knicks had better get that #1 pick after this mess. The Ewing fix had better be in.
I had a fight with my brother over the TV last night. He wanted to watch the whole Knicks game. I can't understand why anyone would want to sit through an entire game of such a excrement team. He said it's because he's a real fan. I said it's because he's a fuckn idiot.
Haha, my brother gave me your speech weeks ago. He's a bigger Knicks fan than I've ever been and he flat out said he wasn't watching anymore. I said he wasn't a real fan then, to which he basically said "So what? At least I'm not making myself miserable and wasting my time every night." I couldn't argue with that and I haven't watched more than a few minutes of a game since.
...In the meantime get as many D league players in there the rest of the way and get a good long look at them. Maybe there's another Starks or Mason somewhere in there who could be a good supporting player when the new team is in place.
They need to see what they have in Early and Ahmentattoomenkoph or whatever his name is. I also saw that Phil wants to see what they have in D-leaguer Langston Galloway. It's time for young guys to play.
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Haha, my brother gave me your speech weeks ago. He's a bigger Knicks fan than I've ever been and he flat out said he wasn't watching anymore. I said he wasn't a real fan then, to which he basically said "So what? At least I'm not making myself miserable and wasting my time every night." I couldn't argue with that and I haven't watched more than a few minutes of a game since.
If you watch it in the proper context it won't make you miserable. This is where we are, but at least it's just for this year. Better than the Isiah years where the hole just kept getting deeper and the light from above getting dimmer and dimmer.
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If you watch it in the proper context it won't make you miserable. This is where we are, but at least it's just for this year. Better than the Isiah years where the hole just kept getting deeper and the light from above getting dimmer and dimmer.
Meh. There are a lot of other things I can waste my time doing rather than watching this dumpster fire. I don't skip Jets games no matter how bad things get. That's my limit.
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Meh. There are a lot of other things I can waste my time doing rather than watching this dumpster fire. I don't skip Jets games no matter how bad things get. That's my limit.
There's only 16 of those, thankfully.
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There's only 16 of those, thankfully.
Yup, which is why I can handle the loss of time. Though in fairness, Jets losses age me far more than any number of Knicks losses.
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Meh. There are a lot of other things I can waste my time doing rather than watching this dumpster fire. I don't skip Jets games no matter how bad things get. That's my limit.
I don't block out the time to watch the Knicks like I do the Jets, but they're on all winter at night when I'm watching TV. If they weren't on last night I had nothing to watch but Megyn Kelly. If they're on against the Devils or Seton Hall I have a choice to make or have to keep flipping, this year makes it easy.
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I had a fight with my brother over the TV last night. He wanted to watch the whole Knicks game. I can't understand why anyone would want to sit through an entire game of such a excrement team. He said it's because he's a real fan. I said it's because he's a fuckn idiot.
I need to get outa here.
Picturing this conversation made me lol.
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LOL JR Smith
"when in doubt, shoot the ball"
0-5 (0-4 from 3), 2 turnovers, and 3 fouls in 18 minutes.
Enjoy him, Cleveland
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This is a d league team Where most of these players won't even be on the team next year.
What the freak is a Travis Wear
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This is a d league team Where most of these players won't even be on the team next year.
What the freak is a Travis Wear
Worse value for your dollar than NFL pre season.
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A little blast from the past, Marv citing "extensive gar-bage time."
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The TV happened to be on TNT last night after we had watched something on DVR. Since the Knicks game was about to start I figured I'd leave it on. What a terrible idea that was. They are absolutely pitiful. Fisher's little "You guys are NBA players...you can do this!" speech was just head-shakingly bad. I loved the bagheads sitting down low though.
The worst part of the entire game was Reggie Miller saying that if the Knicks didn't sign Allan Houston he may have actually come here. One more dagger.
Also, Hardaway is awful. I counted three separate times last night where he had a clear line to the basket, pulled up, and passed the ball outside. WTF is this kid afraid of?!
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The TV happened to be on TNT last night after we had watched something on DVR. Since the Knicks game was about to start I figured I'd leave it on. What a terrible idea that was. They are absolutely pitiful. Fisher's little "You guys are NBA players...you can do this!" speech was just head-shakingly bad. I loved the bagheads sitting down low though.
The worst part of the entire game was Reggie Miller saying that if the Knicks didn't sign Allan Houston he may have actually come here. One more dagger.
Also, Hardaway is awful. I counted three separate times last night where he had a clear line to the basket, pulled up, and passed the ball outside. WTF is this kid afraid of?!
Reggie Miller is a tool. He kept saying "play the young guys" all night. I don't even disagree with him but #1 that's obvious and #2 it's not going to change anything, didn't need to be said 16 times.
Also, you don't need to long setup to excuse watching the Knicks, we're fans. After the Devils I was switching between them and Rutgers-Nebraska, so I got a nice little combo platter of losing last night.
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Reggie Miller is a tool. He kept saying "play the young guys" all night. I don't even disagree with him but #1 that's obvious and #2 it's not going to change anything, didn't need to be said 16 times.
Also, you don't need to long setup to excuse watching the Knicks, we're fans. After the Devils I was switching between them and Rutgers-Nebraska, so I got a nice little combo platter of losing last night.
I always expect Reggie to take shots at the Knicks when the game is on TNT. I like when he does it because it reminds me how much I despise him.
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Live from London:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7amyzaIUAEHSx0.jpg)
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You're there?
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You're there?
No, have it on the radio, picture courtesy of MSG's Twitter. Clyde is live from London.
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Yeah I'm watching it right now. Not sure why. They're already down 14-0.
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And the Bucks lead 14-0, timeout Knicks. The Brits must be impressed.
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I don't think there's ever been a shutout in the NBA.
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Gave up, switched to the Anthony Cumia show.
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In case anyone lost count, at 5-36 the Knicks are officially halfway through the season.
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Breaking---Knicks up 12 at the half.
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Jahlil Okafor needs to be a Knick
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And the Knicks win!
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I literally just found out that there's a team called the fuckn Pelicans.
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Who the freak is Langston Galloway
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Who the freak is Langston Galloway
Summer league guy they called up when they started cleaning house.
Tommy, the Pelicans are the new name for New Orleans because Charlotte got the name Hornets back. Better late than never.
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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/12/21/7431765/the-knicks-love-math-as-much-as-they-love-losing
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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/12/21/7431765/the-knicks-love-math-as-much-as-they-love-losing
Phil Jackson is a true intellectual.
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Where would the Knicks be if they landed Kerr and not GS? Do you guys think the coach makes that big of a difference here?
I don't think the Warriors are this good with Mark Jackson, but I'm not sure Kerr is really the driving force behind this major leap, or if the Dubs are just maturing and coming into their own.
I'm happy that they didn't make the Love trade, like I was hoping for, that's for sure.
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Do you guys think the coach makes that big of a difference here?
no
The Knicks were set up to tank no matter who the coach was.
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Kind of sucks for Fisher to break into coaching and have this horrendous record on his name, but I do like what they're doing with the D league players and just clearing it all out. Looking forward to the summer, I think they can turn it around quickly and they have Jackson running the show. Will be interesting if nothing else.
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I was upset they won last night. I was hoping for a historic 50 loss streak just because it'd be funny
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I was upset they won last night. I was hoping for a historic 50 loss streak just because it'd be funny
Same. Not like this season matters anyway. At least make the history books.
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Same. Not like this season matters anyway. At least make the history books.
Well, 16 was a franchise record, and I think an in-season record for all professional NY sports teams.
Knicks-Sixers tonight, NBA's version of Jets-Titans.
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The worst record almost never gets the first pick. It's happened 3 times in 20 years. I thought the second worst record would actually be better given the absurdity of that fact, but they've only won twice in that time span.
However the worst record has gotten the #2 overall pick quite a few times. Including the last 4 or 5 drafts.
I highly doubt with our luck we get Okafor/#1. We'll probably end up with Towns at #2
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The worst record almost never gets the first pick. It's happened 3 times in 20 years. I thought the second worst record would actually be better given the absurdity of that fact, but they've only won twice in that time span.
However the worst record has gotten the #2 overall pick quite a few times. Including the last 4 or 5 drafts.
I highly doubt with our luck we get Okafor/#1. We'll probably end up with Towns at #2
I do like that system so you don't have teams flat out trying to lose, because unlike in football getting that one guy really can change your team. We just need another frozen envelope to celebrate the 30th anniversary of getting Ewing.
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I do like that system so you don't have teams flat out trying to lose
teams tank in the NBA all the time
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teams tank in the NBA all the time
Yes but it doesn't guarantee them anything, should have phrased that better.
Pretty sure we're doing it now, not that it probably matters because we were losing when we were trying to win. But you don't have to feel bad after winning a game like a lot of people after Jets-Titans.
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teams tank in the NBA all the time
I wouldn't say all the time.
In fact, until these laughable Sixer teams it was pretty rare. I think Boston tried it one year pre big 3(unsuccessfully) for Durant/Oden, but other than that there's not a lot of blatant examples. I think it just sticks out more because of how offensively purposefully these past few 76er teams have tried to tank.
It almost never works out as expected, unless it's an unusually great draft class like 03 where you can land a franchise player in the top 5 picks.
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I wouldn't say all the time.
In fact, until these laughable Sixer teams it was pretty rare. I think Boston tried it one year pre big 3(unsuccessfully) for Durant/Oden, but other than that there's not a lot of blatant examples. I think it just sticks out more because of how offensively purposefully these past few 76er teams have tried to tank.
It almost never works out as expected, unless it's an unusually great draft class like 03 where you can land a franchise player in the top 5 picks.
I think Boston tried it for Duncan way back but the lottery fucked them, which is basically my point. Try at your own risk, especially if it's a one man draft like a Ewing or Duncan.
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I think Boston tried it for Duncan way back but the lottery fucked them, which is basically my point. Try at your own risk, especially if it's a one man draft like a Ewing or Duncan.
I'm not sure they tried. They just weren't very good. Those post Bird retirement/Reggie Lewis death teams were absolutely awful until Walker/Pierce got drafted and developed a bit.
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I'm not sure they tried. They just weren't very good. Those post Bird retirement/Reggie Lewis death teams were absolutely awful until Walker/Pierce got drafted and developed a bit.
Yeah, it was kind of like our team now. Started out with good intentions, got about 25 games under 500, looked at the draft and said freak it.
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Where is the likely #1 pick from? That seems to have just as much of impact as the record
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Where is the likely #1 pick from? That seems to have just as much of impact as the record
I don't understand what you're asking.
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I don't understand what you're asking.
Maybe he's suggesting that a high profile #1 prospect might result in some fudging of the lottery system. Or the respective markets of the lottery teams.
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Maybe he's suggesting that a high profile #1 prospect might result in some fudging of the lottery system. Or the respective markets of the lottery teams.
Oh. That's retarded if that's the insinuation.
We hear that every year no matter who it is.
OH ! New Orleans got Anthony Davis? It's because the NBA owned them and he's from there.
Cleveland got Kyrie Irving and Andrew Wiggins? It's because the NBA feels bad LeBron left.
It doesn't matter what city, or size market. Some assholes say that excrement every single year.
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It was in jest, mon frair.
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It was in jest, mon frair.
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Too late, he called you an poopchute. You have to fight now.
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I'll meet you at swiss chalet, where we shall partake in salty gravy Canadians love on dry chicken.
After which, we shall engage in fisticuffs until the point of which one of us (read: you) submits to my superior strength and ability.
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Too late, he called you an poopchute. You have to fight now.
LOL
Ewing was 30 years ago and people still complain it was rigged. We haven't gotten a break since, either.
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Second win in a row, 98-91 at Philly. Safe to say we're the hottest 7-36 team in basketball.
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Second win in a row, 98-91 at Philly. Safe to say we're the hottest 7-36 team in basketball.
Fucked up the math pattern. Now they have to lose until they're 7-49.
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Fucked up the math pattern. Now they have to lose until they're 7-49.
They can lose 13 straight standing on their heads, the Sixers were missing guys. I was more concerned where the win was going to come from.
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playoff push
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Three-peat. Here come the Knicks!!
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Breakup the Knicks
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As bad as the Knicks are, tickets are still outrageously expensive. freak that franchise.
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As bad as the Knicks are, tickets are still outrageously expensive. freak that franchise.
Never understood this.
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Never understood this.
I'm convinced that corporate accounts keep the prices inflated. It's indoors, a great way to schmooze clients etc, and very easily accessible.
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I'm convinced that corporate accounts keep the prices inflated. It's indoors, a great way to schmooze clients etc, and very easily accessible.
I'd be offended if someone tried to schmooze me with that disaster. How about a nice steakhouse instead.
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I'd be offended if someone tried to schmooze me with that disaster. How about a nice steakhouse instead.
Beer Authority or go freak yourself Mr. Customer.
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Beer Authority or go freak yourself Mr. Customer.
Time is a flat circle, we're going to go to a Beer Authority forever.
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I will personally guarantee that the Knicks won't lose to Sacramento tonight.
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I will personally guarantee that the Knicks won't lose to Sacramento tonight.
Boogie Cousins is gonna go for like 40
Edit: of course. You posting about sacramento was weird
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Lou Amundson will destroy Cousins
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/12297599/new-york-knicks-owner-james-dolan-upset-fan-root-brooklyn-nets
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/12297599/new-york-knicks-owner-james-dolan-upset-fan-root-brooklyn-nets
hahaha
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/12297599/new-york-knicks-owner-james-dolan-upset-fan-root-brooklyn-nets
It's almost as if Dolan is a spoiled brat of a 13-year-old trapped in the body of an old, obnoxious, fat, cunty piece of elephant excrement.
But he was probably just having a bad day or something, Im sure.
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Dolan was the other bidder for the Jets along with Woody. Mull that one over.
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Dolan was the other bidder for the Jets along with Woody. Mull that one over.
James Dolan probably the biggest reason why I think it's ridiculous for people to complain about Woody Johnson.
This team has been pretty damn successful with Johnson as owner.
Things could be so much worse. Dolan is the worst owner in sports.
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James Dolan probably the biggest reason why I think it's ridiculous for people to complain about Woody Johnson.
This team has been pretty damn successful with Johnson as owner.
Things could be so much worse. Dolan is the worst owner in sports.
Dolan is not even the worst owner in New York.
Jeffrey Loria is the worst owner in sports and it's not even close.
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Adam Schein called Dolan the worst owner in sports today. I don't disagree.
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anyone who says he's the worst owner in sports doesn't pay much attention to other cities and their respective sports.
It screams lack of perspective and emotional bias.
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anyone who says he's the worst owner in sports doesn't pay much attention to other cities and their respective sports.
It screams lack of perspective and emotional bias.
says the guy naming the owner of a team in his city
Dan Snyder, James Dolan, and Jerry Richardson are the worst owners in sports, in my opinion.
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I came in here expecting. hoping for the reaction that Dolan is a big piece of excrement, thankfully that's the case. That said:
I can't openly disagree with JFIF, if you guys looked into Loria you would see that guy is as big a scumbag as any owner in sports. He openly fucked the City of Miami for 100's of millions as well as a long list of other people. He isn't wrong, it's just a sport no one really cares about in a city no one really cares about. He is right up there with Dolan and the other idiots mentioned in this thread.
Also Woody isn't even close to the scumbags listed in this thread, not in the same ball park, pun intended.
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says the guy naming the owner of a team in his city
Dan Snyder, James Dolan, and Jerry Richardson are the worst owners in sports, in my opinion.
he IS the worst owner in sports though. I can easily rattle 5 of the top of my head that are worse than Dolan.
The Wilpons are worse than Dolan. They don't spend money and refuse to sell the team.
Donald Sterling was horrible for 20+ years. You can say he doesn't own the team anymore but he's not that far removed.
Stephen Ross is a more meddlesome and even more incompetent version of Dolan.
Loria is literally a thief. The guy is pure scum who cheated the taxpayers....and who signed a bunch of guys and then traded all of them 3-4 months later after the stadium opened.
Jimmy Haslam is a criminal and already showing to be meddlesome and awful when he doesn't know a thing about football.
I'd rather have Dolan than Jerry Jones too.
The buffalo sabres ownership has been a joke for 15+ years, even after being sold a few years ago.
The Glazers.....also terrible when it comes to the Bucs. It's only the past 2-3 years that they actually started spending money, and not wisely.
and Mark Davis? LOL
Oh, and add that piece of excrement Wang to the list. freak him. He's responsible for keeping Milbury around for another 6 years
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Eugene Melnyk can go freak himself as well.
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Adam Silver is the anti David Stern. Even though they're both New York Jew lawyers
“Jim is a consummate New Yorker,” Silver said. “Jim got an unkind email and responded with an unkind email.”
that's all he said about it lol.
So glad Stern is out of there. Smug little prick
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I think Woody's been pretty good. My only gripe is he seems to listen too much to the whims of the back pages and loudmouths at times, but he spends money and tries to let people do their jobs, which is what you need the owner to do.
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My only gripe is he seems to listen too much to the whims of the back pages and loudmouths at times
Maybe he just shares the same opinion?
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Maybe he just shares the same opinion?
Maybe but it never seems to work out very well.
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Maybe but it never seems to work out very well.
How do you firing Rex Ryan won't work out?
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How do you firing Rex Ryan won't work out?
He misses Thurman.
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He misses Thurman.
It all remains to be seen. At least fighting for third place will be a nice change from fighting for second.
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Goodnight, sweet Amare. Have fun in Dallas.
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Goodnight, sweet Amare. Have fun in Dallas.
I can root for Amare, why not?
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/12342329/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-ruled-rest-season
The New York Knicks will officially rule out forward Carmelo Anthony for the rest of the season later Wednesday, according to sources.
Anthony will undergo surgery on his left knee in the near future, according to sources.
The Knicks' leading scorer and franchise player has been dealing with soreness in his left knee for months. Despite the injury, Anthony logged 30 minutes in the All-Star Game at Madison Square Garden on Sunday, scoring 14 points on 6-of-20 shooting from the floor.
Prior to the All-Star Game, he said that it was "very likely" he would shut it down after the break.
New York has been cautious with Anthony by reducing his minutes and requiring the 12-year veteran to sit out some games during loaded stretches in the schedule, such as skipping the second night of a back-to-back set of games.
The specific nature of Anthony's knee injury is unclear.
The Knicks have referred to the injury as soreness. Anthony said it is impacting his tendon and that any surgical procedure would likely sideline him for eight weeks. That timetable would allow him to resume his offseason workouts on schedule and be healthy for training camp, he said.
According to ESPN medical expert Dr. Mark Adickes, tendon issues are common for long-time NBA players.
"If you were to MRI any veteran NBA player, you are going to find abnormalities of their patella tendon insertion or quad tendon insertion," Adickes said. "The longer you play, the older you are, the more susceptible you are to this injury."
The Knicks entered the All-Star break at 10-43, the worst record in the NBA.
Time to take this team out back and put it out of its misery.
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Smart move, the only move, really. Get him healthy, see what if anything we have with these young guys, and rebuild the roster from scratch in July.
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Not calling up Thanasis Antetokounmpo is stupid
let's keep Travis Wear's sorry derriere on the roster though
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Kind of ridiculous to let him play in the ASG and cite a pre-existing condition for shut-down.
Do the Knicks even have pieces to trade? Nothing of significance, at least...
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Kind of ridiculous to let him play in the ASG and cite a pre-existing condition for shut-down.
He wanted to play in the All-Star game.
Do the Knicks even have pieces to trade? Nothing of significance, at least...
They don't need to trade for anyone. The season is over.
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He wanted to play in the All-Star game.
He wanted to play in a meaningless game instead of for the team who pays him. Got it.
They don't need to trade for anyone. The season is over.
Theres future seasons to make moves for.
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He wanted to play in a meaningless game instead of for the team who pays him. Got it.
Yeah, freak him for wanting to have some fun.
Theres future seasons to make moves for.
They're tanking for a top draft pick and they will make big moves in free agency.
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It's going to be a long time before we need him again. October at the soonest.
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which players get the biggest increase in minutes due to the absence of Melo and Stoudemire?
Does Hardaway get a bigger role even though he hasn't impressed?
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which players get the biggest increase in minutes due to the vacuum created by the departures of Melo and Stoudemire?
Does Hardaway get a bigger role even though he hasn't impressed?
Hopefully Cleanthony Early and Tim Hardway Jr
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Pablo Prigioni traded for two second round picks and Alexey Shved
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Pablo Prigioni traded for two second round picks and Alexey Shved
http://gfycat.com/GorgeousLightheartedChimpanzee
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Hopefully Cleanthony Early and Tim Hardway Jr
The freak kind of name is Cleanthony?
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The freak kind of name is Cleanthony?
obv a white person's name
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I'm not sure what's worse: Cleanthony or Anfernee.
D'Anthony is OK though.
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Anfernee is definitely worse. I hated Penny Hardaway just because of that stupid name.
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The freak kind of name is Cleanthony?
How do you pronounce that stupidity? Cle-Anthony or Clean-Thony or Myparentsarefuckingjackassesfornamingthismonumentallyfuckingretardedname?
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How do you pronounce that stupidity? Cle-Anthony or Clean-Thony or Myparentsarefuckingjackassesfornamingthismonumentallyfuckingretardedname?
In case you're actually wonder, it's Cle-Anthony.
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In case you're actually wonder, it's Cle-Anthony.
I would actually use the last pronunciation but that's just me.
BTW I never heard of the dude till I opened this thread and wasn't really wondering but I appreciate that answer!
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Nothing about Mason?
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1024/ny_greatest_knicks_22.jpg)
One of my all time favorite Knicks, that really bummed me out, he was my age too. The Knicks even managed to win the night they honored him with a moment of silence. #RIPMase
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Knicks won last night, in case anyone might have missed it.
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I saw the stretch deadspin put up on their site where the Knicks shoot an airball then someone from the lakers takes about 8 steps through the lane and hooks it over the backboard.
Brutal.
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Wait...the season hasn't ended yet?
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Wait...the season hasn't ended yet?
It was over before it started
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It was over before it started
It was over when we made the Andrea Bargnani trade.
/eternally pessimistic Knicks fan
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Knicks beat the Spurs last night.
Let that sink in...the Knicks beat the Spurs last night.
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Did Duncan's car break down on the way to the stadium, and was he giving Leonard and Parker a lift?
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Knicks beat the Spurs last night.
Let that sink in...the Knicks beat the Spurs last night.
I didn't see it but Popovich ripped his team. I guess I would too if I coached the defending champs and this happened:
Langston Galloway led all scorers with 22 points, Alexey Shved scored 4 of his 21 points in overtime and Andrea Bargnani added 16 points and 10 rebounds for the Knicks.
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Langston Galloway > Tony Parker
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I've been watching most of the games but blew this one off. Was busy with my kids and DVRed the Devils because they were wearing their throwbacks, they won too. Read the Knicks result in the paper lol.
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I keep hearing about this Shved guy. Is he good or is this another Lin?
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I keep hearing about this Shved guy. Is he good or is this another Lin?
Neither
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Neither
So he's okay? Rotational player?
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So he's okay? Rotational player?
Yes, he's okay and he's nowhere near as good as Jeremy Lin.
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My brother is watching Greatest Moments in MSG or something. There's a whole half hour dedicated to LJ's 4-point play. I mean, it was a great play and all, but how sad that a great defining moment comes at a season when we didn't even win the championship.
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My brother is watching Greatest Moments in MSG or something. There's a whole half hour dedicated to LJ's 4-point play. I mean, it was a great play and all, but how sad that a great defining moment comes at a season when we didn't even win the championship.
It was the East finals, a big step towards getting to the NBA Finals and at the time nobody knew we weren't going to win. I see your point kind of but that was close enough to consider it a great defining moment. Otherwise we can only count things that happened in the 70 and 73 seasons which most people don't remember. The other thing about LJ's play was we had already lost Ewing for the playoffs earlier in the series so it was huge to pull out that win.
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Clippers tonight, 11 games left.
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This current lineup is one of the worst I have ever seen. Not just a NYK lineup, but all-time NBA worst lineup.
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10 games left.
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This current lineup is one of the worst I have ever seen. Not just a NYK lineup, but all-time NBA worst lineup.
I saw a game the other night (Memphis maybe?) and I actually thought to myself: "I watched better games than this in high school."
Yesterday Frank Isola nailed a tweet.
From: @FisolaNYDN
Sent: Mar 25, 2015 8:34p
We've come a long way from "you're a bum Ewing. You only won 55 games and got eliminated in the conference finals. Loser."
It's so true. MSG should be empty every night, save for the 100 celebrities that sit in the front row every night.
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I usually laugh at the "XYZ college team can beat ABC pro team" but I don't have much faith that the Knicks can even beat Kentucky
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Yesterday Frank Isola nailed a tweet.
It's so true. MSG should be empty every night, save for the 100 celebrities that sit in the front row every night.
I'll never understand how their ticket prices stay permanently jacked up.
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The same way that the Toronto Maple Leafs have failed to sell out their arena twice in the last 13 years despite being monumentally excrement for almost the whole of that period.
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9 games left.
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Can anyone explain what the freak we're doing? I'm not one for tanking seasons or even games, but you're 80 games in and you're going to win out and take yourself out of the top pick? WTF??
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Can anyone explain what the freak we're doing? I'm not one for tanking seasons or even games, but you're 80 games in and you're going to win out and take yourself out of the top pick? WTF??
Knicks would have lost the lottery anyway. Everything this team touches turns to excrement.
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The top 5 guys in this draft are all game changers, I'm not too worried.
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to be honest im not really enamored with any of the top picks this year, even though i think some of them will be really good/great players. im kind of biased in that i was hoping that, were we to end up with a number one overall pick, we'd be able to draft a rose, wall, curry, or westbrook - type star PG (i understand 2 of those guys weren't first overall picks), but i don't think that guy is in this draft. russell is a nice prospect but i dont feel he is on the level those guys were.
one guy im really intrigued with is myles turner, as a big he isn't really talked about as much as towns, okafor, or cauley-stein, but his game/texas connection really reminds me of lamarcus aldridge.
not necessarily who i think is the BEST prospect in this draft, but i think my favorite prospect in this draft is stanley johnson.
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Well, it's finally over. I'd be much happier if they hadn't blown the 1 seed in the lottery but hopefully it won't matter in the end. Just happy it's over, between the Jets and Knicks it was a 7 month death march.
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So many former Knicks in the conference finals
Prigioni, Ariza, Mozgov, JR, Shump
hahahahaha kill me
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So many former Knicks in the conference finals
Prigioni, Ariza, Mozgov, JR, Shump
hahahahaha kill me
Forgot Mozgov was a Knick.
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Holy excrement the Knicks got screwed. 4th pick.
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LOL
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Bahaha
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Emmanuel Mudiay or Dee Ain't Even Stretch Doe
Take Porzingis
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meh
let the team tank, get a top 3 pick, have a bunch of cap space.
Zen magic
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hahaha
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jackson should have known it was bad karma to do excrement like talk about how he'd really like to draft russell or that he'd consider all options with the first pick
why does clown-type excrement happen with this franchise all the time
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Of course they did.
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jackson should have known it was bad karma to do excrement like talk about how he'd really like to draft russell or that he'd consider all options with the first pick
why does clown-type excrement happen with this franchise all the time
Because Ewing
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(https://41.media.tumblr.com/5ee9f0c642713027d92a6d740e7ad848/tumblr_nomispXGsd1qzaoamo1_540.png)
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(https://41.media.tumblr.com/5ee9f0c642713027d92a6d740e7ad848/tumblr_nomispXGsd1qzaoamo1_540.png)
Womp womp.
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Id be happy with either D'Angelo or Mudiay. Number 4 isn't bad.
There's at least a small chance Okafor falls as well.
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Id be happy with either D'Angelo or Mudiay. Number 4 isn't bad.
There's at least a small chance Okafor falls as well.
I think the Lakers would take Okafor knowing what he brings right now and maybe shop Randle, unless they get a big offer for the pick. I'm not sure what could move them to deal out, but it would have to be a star.
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Draft lottery system is retarded
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Draft lottery system is retarded
At least run it like the real lottery. Have some Puerto Rican woman pick a ball from a glass air tube thingy.
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Yolanda Vega ftw
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FisolaNYDN: Carmelo, according to source, called Tim Hardaway Jr. late Thursday to express his displeasure with Phil Jackson's draft night moves. Oh boy
please get rid of him and just start over the right away
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Take Porzingis
(:
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please get rid of him and just start over the right away
This is best case scenario for the Knicks
The question is who has more power. Jackson or Dolan
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I guess Phil didn't realize how hard this job would be without a superstar on his team.
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I guess Phil didn't realize how hard this job would be without a superstar on his team.
He has the superstar. He just doesn't have the required supporting cast. No one ever gives the overall teams he coached enough credit.
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He has the superstar. He just doesn't have the required supporting cast. No one ever gives the overall teams he coached enough credit.
Melo isn't a superstar. At least not on the level of MJ or Kobe.. And the Bulls were already a solid team when Phil took over. Same with the Lakers.
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Carmelo Anthony is a superstar. But only because he's a high volume scorer that can take over games at times.
He's not the type of player that you build around. He is a player that needs to be with two other star quality players. Denver tried it and it didn't work. The Knicks have tried it and it's not working.
Anthony just needs to waive the no trade clause and go play with a team ready to compete. That's the only way he'll win anything.
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At least not on the level of MJ or Kobe.
Those are arguably the two best players ever. Of course Anthony isn't on their level.
But he's still one of the better players in the NBA. He thinks he can carry a team, but that's not who he is. He's a scorer that doesn't play defense and doesn't create for his teammates.
He deserves the max money, but the Knicks didn't need to give him that contract. They weren't set up for that.
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This is best case scenario for the Knicks
The question is who has more power. Jackson or Dolan
I'd say Jackson has quite a bit of power considering the Porzingis pick.
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His game is built around iso-ball. You can't win it all with that garbage. That's why Cleveland got their asses beat by Golden State.
The Knicks need to go get Greg Monroe and David West whether Anthony is part of the plan or not. Marc Gasol would be the best option, but I don't think he's coming to NY.
I'd rather see the Knicks throw money at defensive-minded players like DeAndre Jordan and Demare Carroll, but Monroe seems like the most likely big name addition.
If this team got David West, DeAndre Jordan, and Wes Matthews/Demare Carroll, you can make a deep playoff run with Carmelo Anthony as the focal point.
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Melo isn't a superstar. At least not on the level of MJ or Kobe.. And the Bulls were already a solid team when Phil took over. Same with the Lakers.
As Heismanberg discussed, yes, Melo is a superstar. The rest of what you said here is true though, and that was my point. Jackson's legacy is built on the shoulders of a lot more than Kobe and Jordan--even more than Pippen and Shaq.
But I guess he can still Twitter troll Steve Kerr. I mean, that worked out well, right?
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I love Steve Kerr, but if he chose the Knicks over Golden State, GS still probably competes for a title and the Knicks are still one of the worst in the NBA.
Kerr walked into one of the best coaching situations in the history of sports.
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I love Steve Kerr, but if he chose the Knicks over Golden State, GS still probably competes for a title and the Knicks are still one of the worst in the NBA.
Kerr walked into one of the best coaching situations in the history of sports.
I 100% think Kerr did the right thing. What I wrote was a knock on Jackson who chose to douche-tweet Kerr rather than make any effort at improving the team he was paid an assload of cash to fix.
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I 100% think Kerr did the right thing.
Wow, that's a bold stance.
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Wow, that's a bold stance.
In fairness, whoever is in charge of the ship whenever it finally gets turned around will be a cult hero in NY. Kerr passed on that opportunity for the chance to win immediately.
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In fairness, whoever is in charge of the ship whenever it finally gets turned around will be a cult hero in NY. Kerr passed on that opportunity for the chance to win immediately.
And he has a chance to win not just immediately, but lo term in GS with their cast in place.
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The Knicks met with Patrick Beverley last night. Great defender that can shoot.
DeAndre Jordan is a longshot, but an offseason with Danny Green, Patrick Beverley, and a quality big would be a good start.
Carroll/Beverley/Green would be pretty good too. Nice defensive backcourt.
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I'm going to Vegas next weekend, hoping to catch a game. Been to a few out there, it's a great place to see them.
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I'm going to Vegas next weekend, hoping to catch a game. Been to a few out there, it's a great place to see them.
The Greek Freak's brother is playing.
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SportsCenter: Robin Lopez will choose Knicks over Lakers as long as DeAndre Jordan does not join Knicks.
So basically the Knicks are getting Robin Lopez because there's no way in hell DeAndre Jordan picks NY over LA or Dallas.
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Go get Patrick Beverley now
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Knicks made a move Kyle O'Quinn in a sign and trade with Orlando for so.e cash and the right to swap second rounds picks at some point.
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25233379/knicks-to-acquire-kyle-oquinn-from-magic-in-sign-and-trade
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I love the way Kyle O'Quinn plays, but a four year deal is a little strange.
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I love the way Kyle O'Quinn plays, but a four year deal is a little strange.
He's only 23, at 4 mil with this cap, I'm not complaining at all.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhhSFKgMhlo
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Got a few good shots, only this one is uploading right now. Fun game.
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Before opening tip.
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Did you and Tommy meet up?
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Did you and Tommy meet up?
Didn't realize he was there.
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Anybody been watching summer league? Some of our players have really impressed and have played pretty decently, I am kind of excite. Porzingis, Grant, Ndour, Early (horrible D however). Then there's still Antetekoumpo and Ledo to think about
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Anybody been watching summer league? Some of our players have really impressed and have played pretty decently, I am kind of excite. Porzingis, Grant, Ndour, Early (horrible D however). Then there's still Antetekoumpo and Ledo to think about
I haven't paid a shred of attention other than what I see on Twitter. I have seen that multiple GMs think the world of Porzingis though.
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He's looked pretty good but he definitely needs to strengthen up. There was a play against the Spurs where he tried forcing past his man baseline and he was just bullied back, the dude was big but i figured he was also some summer league scrub too, so actual nba defenders may pose even more of a problem for him
have been very impressed with grant's speed, dribbling, and court vision.
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Jerian Grant is good
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I hate Sasha vujacic. Porzingis, grant, OQuinn and D Will look good.
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Porzingod says he should be good to play tomorrow vs Cleveland.
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I have a hard time getting into basketball until the NFL regular season is over. Porzingis looks good so that's a nice start at least
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Didn't realize he was there.
Funny, I didn't see this until now. I was there for most of the game, and watched a few others too. I think most of my posts were in another thread at the time. I was pretty fucked up most of the time.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOrfX6iO6B0
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Saw that the other day, that was dope. I don't really pay attention to basketball until after football season but nice to see the Knicks aren't a joke.
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Godzingis with the monster jam
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Galloway and Thomas are really solid finds.
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I haven't had a chance to watch any Knicks games yet. So of course they're winning.
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I haven't had a chance to watch any Knicks games yet. So of course they're winning.
I think they're going to be decent, at least have a season, which is nice.
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GODZINGIS
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GODZINGIS
They freaking called it back.
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Boardzingis
and them waving that off was bullshit
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That is gay
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That was straight robbery.
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That was straight robbery.
Was listening on the radio, I thought he got it off in time.
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At the game. Porzingis is good. Jeremy Lin looks like Rufio.
Btw every Asian in NYC must be at this game. Lin fuckn sanity.
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Post game interview, unknown foreign reporter:
Oh herro Pher Jackson how you think about Jeremy Rin game today?
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How many freaking times are they going to run the shot clock to 1 and then have Afflalo toss a brick?
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KP is pretty damn good
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I guess this guy is legit already.
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I really have to get around to watching a game. I keep hearing about how good KP is and I just keep missing it.
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I guess this guy is legit already.
He has the size, aggressiveness and the shot. First game I saw him in Vegas I was surprised at how hard he got after it, expected him to be timid. Carmelo stands to benefit greatly from his presence if they both stay healthy.
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He has the size, aggressiveness and the shot. First game I saw him in Vegas I was surprised at how hard he got after it, expected him to be timid. Carmelo stands to benefit greatly from his presence if they both stay healthy.
It's the fluidity and athleticism at his size that stands out.
He's not gangly and clunky like most people that height and with that length.
Knicks have had a really tough schedule so far. To make it 6-6 and missing affalo for a good chunk of that is promising.
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Porzingod going off again
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Porzingod going off again
Seven blocks. Unreal.
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SEVEN BLOCKS
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MASSIVE blocks
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That reminded me of college, we had Rik Smits at Marist just swatting the excrement out of a bunch of 6-8 guys for four years.
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That reminded me of college, we had Rik Smits at Marist just swatting the excrement out of a bunch of 6-8 guys for four years.
hated Rik Smits
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hated Rik Smits
Great guy. I hated to have to root against him almost his whole career. Finally got to root for him in the 2000 Finals vs the Lakers and they lost.
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Great guy. I hated to have to root against him almost his whole career. Finally got to root for him in the 2000 Finals vs the Lakers and they lost.
You aren't allowed to watch the Knicks ever again
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You aren't allowed to watch the Knicks ever again
Haha watching them now and they're pissing me off.
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Thought about going to the game but didn't end up happening.
Glad I didn't. Knicks seemed to have open looks but just couldn't make em. The bench was useless this game, which was surprising. oh well.
Nice to see Kristaps fill up the stat sheet though
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Not going to win them all, they were due for a game like this. I just hate Miami and Wade so much, it was tough to watch. Ended up switching over to Bills-Pats quicker than I had planned.
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Melo's playing like complete excrement tonight.
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Not going to win them all, they were due for a game like this. I just hate Miami and Wade so much, it was tough to watch. Ended up switching over to Bills-Pats quicker than I had planned.
You could just repost this again
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It's fitting that the Knicks would get back on track with Melo out with an illness.
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I had the game DVRd for last night and someone on Facebook gave away the result, saved me a couple hours of watching it. Glad I missed it.
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Porzingis da GOAT
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Porzingis is playing really well tonight against Cleveland.
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Cleanthony Early shot leaving a strip club.
Why would anyone leave a strip club?
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Great comeback by TCU.
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Great comeback by TCU.
wat
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wat
LOL my bad, wrong forum/thread.
Knicks suck.
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How is thread not more active?
Knicks playing their best basketball of the season. I think Fisher's locked down on a rotation, and taking out porzingis early and bringing him back in as a center with the second unit has worked out brilliantly.
The evolution in Melo's game is awesome. Taking less shots, getting others involved and doing everything else. Hopefully Melo can rest for the Nuts game, and then back for Memphis. If not, just let him heal his ankle and sit out Nuts, Grizz and the Sixers.
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Afflalo has been really good this season.
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How is thread not more active?
Knicks playing their best basketball of the season. I think Fisher's locked down on a rotation, and taking out porzingis early and bringing him back in as a center with the second unit has worked out brilliantly.
The evolution in Melo's game is awesome. Taking less shots, getting others involved and doing everything else. Hopefully Melo can rest for the Nuts game, and then back for Memphis. If not, just let him heal his ankle and sit out Nuts, Grizz and the Sixers.
I usually don't get into the NBA until football season finishes up
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I usually don't get into the NBA until football season finishes up
If the Jets are not in the playoffs and fantasy football season is over, the football season is basically over for me.
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http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2016/1/12/10758470/kristaps-porzingis-rejects-60-percent-of-the-celtics-lineup-in-one
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Waiting for someone to make a .gif of that.
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I've only seen a couple of games so far and they lost both. I'm staying away as a public service to the rest of you.
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Derrick Williams is having the best game of his career right now.
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losing to the Nuts is gay. But at least it was on the second night of a back to back. Those are more often than not scheduled loses
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Sorry guys. I just happened to turn on the Knicks game at tipoff and figured "What the hell" and had it on in the background. My bad.
What's weird is that not only have they lost every game I've watched this year, KP has not had a good game in any of them either.
Williams was fun to watch last night though. That between the legs backward pass from Galloway to Williams' dunk was nice.
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The Boston game was great, pulled it out after Melo got hurt and KP fouled out. Kind of expected last night, they almost got that one too. If Carmelo isn't out too long I think they will be fine, i like the way they have been playing. They were a missed buzzer shot from sweeping a tough 3-game road trip last week, Atlanta, Miami and the Spurs.
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ish smith is killing the knicks
took fisher all of the fourth quarter and some of the OT period to realize that calderon just couldnt cope with defending him
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2 OT
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At the game tonight against the Jazz in sec 102
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Ryan Fitzpatrick is here, got a huge ovation
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At the game tonight against the Jazz in sec 102
High roller over here.
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Free seats
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Ryan Fitzpatrick is here, got a huge ovation
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That excrement was funny took them a good 3 sec to pan to Fitz
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I got a funny story I'll tell you guys about it later
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Get Langston Galloway out of this game
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lol nvm
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I finally broke my streak! Though I turned it on just as Porzingis fouled out on that 3-pointer.
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I left the game when the Knicks went up 4 with about 15 seconds to play. Check my phone and of course Utah ties it and sends it to overtime. Oh well, the OT wasn't that close and the Knicks won.
First 3 quarters were terrible but the latter half of the 4th was electric. Building was amped.
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For my funny story..
They had some guy at halftime take the $10,000 challenge. Basically he shoots a layup for like $10, a free throw for $100, a three for $1,000, and a half court shot for $10,000.
Guy bricked the layup and free throw then air-balled the 3pt shot and half court shot. They had a close up of him on the big screen and he had a dopey chin strap beard so I joined in on the booing and yelled "you suck shave your freaking chin strap you bundle of sticks" or something along those lines.
My girlfriend leaned in and told me the row of people behind me were upset with what I said but I didn't think twice about it. Of course, 10 minutes later the dude that took those 4 shots at halftime proceeds to sit in the seat directly behind me for the remainder of the game. Literally 1 foot behind me. They dindu nuffin tho
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For my funny story..
They had some guy at halftime take the $10,000 challenge. Basically he shoots a layup for like $10, a free throw for $100, a three for $1,000, and a half court shot for $10,000.
Guy bricked the layup and free throw then air-balled the 3pt shot and half court shot. They had a close up of him on the big screen and he had a dopey chin strap beard so I joined in on the booing and yelled "you suck shave your freaking chin strap you bundle of sticks" or something along those lines.
My girlfriend leaned in and told me the row of people behind me were upset with what I said but I didn't think twice about it. Of course, 10 minutes later the dude that took those 4 shots at halftime proceeds to sit in the seat directly behind me for the remainder of the game. Literally 1 foot behind me. They dindu nuffin tho
hahahahahaha
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For my funny story..
They had some guy at halftime take the $10,000 challenge. Basically he shoots a layup for like $10, a free throw for $100, a three for $1,000, and a half court shot for $10,000.
Guy bricked the layup and free throw then air-balled the 3pt shot and half court shot. They had a close up of him on the big screen and he had a dopey chin strap beard so I joined in on the booing and yelled "you suck shave your freaking chin strap you bundle of sticks" or something along those lines.
My girlfriend leaned in and told me the row of people behind me were upset with what I said but I didn't think twice about it. Of course, 10 minutes later the dude that took those 4 shots at halftime proceeds to sit in the seat directly behind me for the remainder of the game. Literally 1 foot behind me. They dindu nuffin tho
Golf clap
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Warriors can't miss tonight. And the refs are back to freaking the Knicks over at home. Melo can literally die on the court and they wouldn't call it. Meanwhile if a player grazes a warrior jersey they shoot 2
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Knicks fire Derek Fisher
Hell Yes
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Didn't he just say the other day something to the effect of "Missing the playoffs is no big deal"? Not really the way to keep friends at the Garden.
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GO GET THIBS
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I'd be pretty happy if Jackson tore it down and the Knicks finally traded Carmelo. He's a great player, but they aren't going to compete for a championship with him.
Build around Porzingis now.
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GO GET THIBS
Source close to Tom Thibodeau: "The #Knicks are the job he's always wanted. He would crawl to Madison Square Garden."
How has Jackson not picked up the phone already?
Also...
Hey @PhilJackson11 @nyknicks, I have a pretty decent resume on the court and I can coach; and I'm available. Call me. @NBA
I'd be pretty happy if Jackson tore it down and the Knicks finally traded Carmelo. He's a great player, but they aren't going to compete for a championship with him.
Build around Porzingis now.
I still think they can win with Melo (and I'd personally like to see it), but if they trade him for assets, it's hard to disagree with you.
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I still think they can win with Melo (and I'd personally like to see it), but if they trade him for assets, it's hard to disagree with you.
Win what? Because no one in the East except maybe Cleveland is going to take down any of the Western Conference powerhouses for a few years.
The East is extremely weak this year and the Knicks are 5 games back from a bottom seed in the playoffs.
I really appreciate what Stoudemire and Anthony tried to do. It just didn't work out. The timing wasn't right with Miami loaded up.
Thibodeau loves Carmelo Anthony though.
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If Phil goes out and hires Luke Walton, he needs to take his derriere somewhere else.
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Win what? Because no one in the East except maybe Cleveland is going to take down any of the Western Conference powerhouses for a few years.
The East is extremely weak this year and the Knicks are 5 games back from a bottom seed in the playoffs.
I really appreciate what Stoudemire and Anthony tried to do. It just didn't work out. The timing wasn't right with Miami loaded up.
Thibodeau loves Carmelo Anthony though.
That's a pretty fair point.
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Luke did a great job in GS, but I don't think he's ready to lead the ship of a team that needs a rebuild.
Didn't Phil love Luke in la?
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Luke did a great job in GS, but I don't think he's ready to lead the ship of a team that needs a rebuild.
Didn't Phil love Luke in la?
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Luke Walton rolled some basketballs out. That's all he did. That team is so good that dcm could be their coach and they'd be a Top 3 seed in the West.
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I just saw a suggestion of: Mark Jackson.
Yeah or nah?
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I just saw a suggestion of: Mark Jackson.
Yeah or nah?
If we can't get Thibodeau, then Jackson is who I'd want.
Kurt Rambis might not do a bad job as the interim...
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lol. ya, go ahead and hire marc jackson. i dare you. do it
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lol. ya, go ahead and hire marc jackson. i dare you. do it
Steve Kerr won with his team. Whether you want to admit that or not.
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theres a reason every single one of the players on marcs team and the on steves team have mentioned the night and day difference between the 2. curry has ripped him as well.
dude is bitter as freak and coached himself right out of a job.
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theres a reason every single one of the players on marcs team and the on steves team have mentioned the night and day difference between the 2. curry has ripped him as well.
dude is bitter as freak and coached himself right out of a job.
Curry got mad after Jackson said he was hurting the game for kids. I didn't believe it at first, but he actually is. Curry is great for the NBA and the best player in the world right now, but now so many kids think they can shoot and play this finesse style of basketball.
It's frustrating to watch. Sure, his success will motivate quite a few young athletes to practice their asses off and become great shooters, but there's far more kids that just think it happens overnight.
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Steve Kerr won with his team. Whether you want to admit that or not.
Who made Mark Jackson the GM of the warriors?
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This season:
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Curry got mad after Jackson said he was hurting the game for kids. I didn't believe it at first, but he actually is. Curry is great for the NBA and the best player in the world right now, but now so many kids think they can shoot and play this finesse style of basketball.
It's frustrating to watch. Sure, his success will motivate quite a few young athletes to practice their asses off and become great shooters, but there's far more kids that just think it happens overnight.
I agree with this but those kids will be weeded out by natural selection when they go up against the ones who can really play.
Regarding the Knicks, just brutal. Thankfully Seton Hall has hung in there for me.
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Stayed within 36 of the Warriors last night, by the time I tuned in Curry was just sitting and laughing.
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Well, that was fun.
Always a relief when it's over, like one of those long, terrible projects at work that you hope will go better next year.
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The 2003 draft class is basically falling apart at the same time.
Lebron and Melo's primes are over. Bosh may never play basketball again. Wade takes nothing but inefficient turnaround mid range jumpers because he can't get to the rim anymore.
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The 2003 draft class is basically falling apart at the same time.
Lebron and Melo's primes are over. Bosh may never play basketball again. Wade takes nothing but inefficient turnaround mid range jumpers because he can't get to the rim anymore.
Kyle Korver is still the GOAT
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Da worst thing youah can do in spawts is try to coach da team when youah da General Managah. And dats what Filj Ackson is tryin to do
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ8byEVVlcY
PORZINGOD
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McLovin from Superbad got into a Twitter feud with Frank Isola (Daily News' Knicks writer).
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Frank is a miserable dude who hates his job.
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Frank is a miserable dude who hates his job.
I love following him on Twitter. He's constantly knocking Phil (and rightfully so). Dolan too, though he seems to be softening on Big Jim since Phil has been running the franchise into the ground.
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phil has no freaking clue
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I love following him on Twitter. He's constantly knocking Phil (and rightfully so). Dolan too, though he seems to be softening on Big Jim since Phil has been running the franchise into the ground.
no
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no
No, what? Phil shouldn't be knocked? Are you kidding?
He's currently vacationing in Montana. He's also not interviewing any candidates, likely because he decided from day 1 that Rambis was his guy. Because that worked out so well this year.
I guess he was exhausted after his "Triangle Camp." Poor guy. I hope his millions help him relocate his zen.
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Because that worked out so well this year.
What is Jackson supposed to do though? The Carmelo Anthony trade set that team back so far.
Gregg Popovich couldn't win with that trash. Easily the worst guards in the NBA.
They need to scrap everything and build around Porzingis.
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No, what? Phil shouldn't be knocked? Are you kidding?
He's currently vacationing in Montana. He's also not interviewing any candidates, likely because he decided from day 1 that Rambis was his guy. Because that worked out so well this year.
I guess he was exhausted after his "Triangle Camp." Poor guy. I hope his millions help him relocate his zen.
No, I'm not kidding.
The ego of the average fan to think they know more than Phil Jackson, a universally lauded mind not only in basketball but in general is hilarious. That doesn't mean he's incapable of making mistakes, but this is someone with a lot more information than us making these decisions, not reading a box score every other night and spending 5 minutes on espn.com
Fisher set him back, but the margin between getting someone like Kerr and Fisher was so thin, and the way things shook out were largely excrement timing. I don't think anyone can make the argument Fisher wasn't a failure but that's coaching, and players are the most important thing.
This roster was mismatched, low basketball IQ dog excrement when Phil took over with hardly any draft picks. Getting a player like Porzingis was a big step up. I think people just want to be angry because Porzingis isn't prime Dirk in half a season.
Calderon was a not a good move, but we didn't give up anyone who's doing anything and his salary was never absurd and expires soon so it doesn't hinder us moving forward.
Rebuilding a basketball team from basically scratch takes a long time. That's why he got a 5 year contract.
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i'll agree with you on the kerr - fisher thing, but phil HAS TO get criticism for giving him as much money as he did. compare it with the kidd contract given to him by the nets, similarly going into coaching straight from retirement, which was either 4/10.5 or 4/11.5, i honestly cant remember which but it was one of the two. right now derek fisher is sitting on his couch receiving 5 million a year from the knicks
he'll also get some credit for having the guts to draft kp, but honestly amidst all the unrealistic, undesirable trade-down scenarios, porzingis was really the only way to go. even getting porzingis was incredibly fortunate for us, we were really fortunate to have ended up with the 4th pick when we were all lamenting it during the lottery. had we gotten the 2nd or 3rd pick, porzingis would NOT be on the team, no matter how much phil and the knicks lie about how they would have taken him with the #1 pick.
im not even going to go into the choice of going with a guy like kurt rambis, who is nothing but a certified LOSER which is something i cant repeat enough, as our interim in what is essentially a lost season, when we have a guy like keefe on the bench who has put in his time as an assistant with the thunder for years. its an interim spot, lets see what someone like keefe can do with it instead of lazily handing over the reigns to a guy like rambis, who we already know has done nothing but lose as a coach. the worst part about that is that rambis has gone from interim loser to frontrunner for the position. thibs would have "crawled to ny", we freaking tampered with walton before he snubbed us, and the best we can come up with is a loser in rambis and a racist zionist in blatt. im hoping for vogel right now, a guy who beat the knicks in 2013 when i think we had the better team, even though that pacers team was insanely talented.
isnt this phil's second vacation this month?
the knicks situation was a horrible one to get into but excuse me for believing that some of our fans who believe phil isnt really "all in" with our situation have, at the least, some valid grounds to stand upon
sorry for all the grammatical errors and lack of punctuation, typing quickly from a phone and i just cant be arsed enough to care to put that effort in, the knicks are just a mess. i agree with dismantling the team and just restarting with kp, and possibly keeping jerian grant, whose minute restrictions in a lost season is something that isnt really acceptable, whether he is ready as a player or not, but that is another thing i just dont really care enough to get into. this season was a mess, the knicks are a mess
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i'll agree with you on the kerr - fisher thing, but phil HAS TO get criticism for giving him as much money as he did. compare it with the kidd contract given to him by the nets, similarly going into coaching straight from retirement, which was either 4/10.5 or 4/11.5, i honestly cant remember which but it was one of the two. right now derek fisher is sitting on his couch receiving 5 million a year from the knicks
he'll also get some credit for having the guts to draft kp, but honestly amidst all the unrealistic, undesirable trade-down scenarios, porzingis was really the only way to go. even getting porzingis was incredibly fortunate for us, we were really fortunate to have ended up with the 4th pick when we were all lamenting it during the lottery. had we gotten the 2nd or 3rd pick, porzingis would NOT be on the team, no matter how much phil and the knicks lie about how they would have taken him with the #1 pick.
im not even going to go into the choice of going with a guy like kurt rambis, who is nothing but a certified LOSER which is something i cant repeat enough, as our interim in what is essentially a lost season, when we have a guy like keefe on the bench who has put in his time as an assistant with the thunder for years. its an interim spot, lets see what someone like keefe can do with it instead of lazily handing over the reigns to a guy like rambis, who we already know has done nothing but lose as a coach. the worst part about that is that rambis has gone from interim loser to frontrunner for the position. thibs would have "crawled to ny", we freaking tampered with walton before he snubbed us, and the best we can come up with is a loser in rambis and a racist zionist in blatt. im hoping for vogel right now, a guy who beat the knicks in 2013 when i think we had the better team, even though that pacers team was insanely talented.
isnt this phil's second vacation this month?
the knicks situation was a horrible one to get into but excuse me for believing that some of our fans who believe phil isnt really "all in" with our situation have, at the least, some valid grounds to stand upon
sorry for all the grammatical errors and lack of punctuation, typing quickly from a phone and i just cant be arsed enough to care to put that effort in, the knicks are just a mess. i agree with dismantling the team and just restarting with kp, and possibly keeping jerian grant, whose minute restrictions in a lost season is something that isnt really acceptable, whether he is ready as a player or not, but that is another thing i just dont really care enough to get into. this season was a mess, the knicks are a mess
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fundamentally, yes, you can make that criticism but the expense has no tangible effects since salary cap isn't at play. He was spending Dolan's money, not the Knicks money fortunately.
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you of course have a point there and i agree. however, irrespective of the cap ramifications fisher's money has on the knicks, it does reveal a lot about the evaluational capabilities of jackson as a team president. it was an exorbitant amount of money for a guy like fisher.
like you mentioned, phil has a reputation of being a basketball genius. there is no denying he was an absolutely great coach. it can be said that he had a lot of help from having guys like MJ & scottie and shaq & kobe, but the truth is before phil came in none of those guys won anything. phil DOES have a reputation of being a basketball genius, but it really comes from his record as a coach (which, again, was indubitably helped by having guys like mj, scottie, shaq, kobe, etc on his teams) as well as the whole 'zen-buddhism' mentality he has portrayed to us all. but what does that mean when it comes to his ability to manage a team, acquire players, sign coaches? to me, it means nothing, and while i will always respect him because of what he has done as a coach, it doesn't mean i'll give him any extra credit when it comes to his decisions as the team president, and to say the least i've been somewhat disappointed with many of the moves and decisions he's made as team president.
like i mentioned before, the knicks situation would be an absolutely shitty situation for any person to step into so i'll give him that, but that doesn't change the fact that since his time as president my reaction to almost all of phil's moves have ranged from 'meh' to 'wtf is he freaking playing at right now'. i'm obviously nothing in the basketball world compared to phil but just because of what he has accomplished as a head coach, it doesn't mean he deserves any extra leeway from a nobody like me when i feel he has done a pretty half-assed job with the role
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you of course have a point there and i agree. however, irrespective of the cap ramifications fisher's money has on the knicks, it does reveal a lot about the evaluational capabilities of jackson as a team president. it was an exorbitant amount of money for a guy like fisher.
like you mentioned, phil has a reputation of being a basketball genius. there is no denying he was an absolutely great coach. it can be said that he had a lot of help from having guys like MJ & scottie and shaq & kobe, but the truth is before phil came in none of those guys won anything. phil DOES have a reputation of being a basketball genius, but it really comes from his record as a coach (which, again, was indubitably helped by having guys like mj, scottie, shaq, kobe, etc on his teams) as well as the whole 'zen-buddhism' mentality he has portrayed to us all. but what does that mean when it comes to his ability to manage a team, acquire players, sign coaches? to me, it means nothing, and while i will always respect him because of what he has done as a coach, it doesn't mean i'll give him any extra credit when it comes to his decisions as the team president, and to say the least i've been somewhat disappointed with many of the moves and decisions he's made as team president.
like i mentioned before, the knicks situation would be an absolutely shitty situation for any person to step into so i'll give him that, but that doesn't change the fact that since his time as president my reaction to almost all of phil's moves have ranged from 'meh' to 'wtf is he freaking playing at right now'. i'm obviously nothing in the basketball world compared to phil but just because of what he has accomplished as a head coach, it doesn't mean he deserves any extra leeway from a nobody like me when i feel he has done a pretty half-assed job with the role
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It's true, there's clearly examples of him learning on the job about the dynamics of some of these things. I think largely, that's the type of mistakes that he's made thus far.
But at the same time I also think smart people, people smart enough and knowledgeable enough as Jackson, give it the best possibility to succeed. There's a ton of luck involved in professional sports and team building, but good people increase that probability.
Jackson always has a very sound and reasonable explanation for every decision he makes. He really is a basketball genius in terms of understanding concepts and nuance, and that I think that skill is transferable to talent evaluation and the front office.
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the knicks probably wouldnt be much better or worse off if it was anybody other than jackson right now, so there is that, and he does have a few seasons to show us what's to come. even if i have questioned some of his moves, he is still the head of the team, so i am going to be behind him - i am just hoping for the best
however i just really hope we dont go into next season with rambis or blatt as hc
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the knicks probably wouldnt be much better or worse off if it was anybody other than jackson right now, so there is that, and he does have a few seasons to show us what's to come. even if i have questioned some of his moves, he is still the head of the team, so i am going to be behind him - i am just hoping for the best
however i just really hope we dont go into next season with rambis or blatt as hc
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That's ridiculous. Why do you believe that?
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what do u mean it's ridiculous? jackson came into a pretty crap situation, and while i havent agreed with many of his moves, i can cede that it was always going to be a pretty hard road clawing back to decency, if we are ever to get there.
other than porzingis weve gotten pretty minimal returns on many of his moves so far, players and coaches included, which is why i criticized him. however i was also trying to be fair in stating that, were it anybody else but jackson, there probably werent any other big moves possible which would have drastically improved the current state of the team
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what do u mean it's ridiculous? jackson came into a pretty crap situation, and while i havent agreed with many of his moves, i can cede that it was always going to be a pretty hard road clawing back to decency, if we are ever to get there.
other than porzingis weve gotten pretty minimal returns on many of his moves so far, players and coaches included, which is why i criticized him. however i was also trying to be fair in stating that, were it anybody else but jackson, there probably werent any other big moves possible which would have drastically improved the current state of the team
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What do you mean by that though?
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the knicks are a hard sitation to improve in that its somewhat difficult to attract pieces, even if we are nyc, even if there were interesting coaching candidates out there, even if we did have a bit of cap room last year. were not a desirable situation for players or coaches right now because of our current roster makeup and the performance of our team the past few seasons
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he's freaking with you D.
that's his Alio move
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hahaA
thank u
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I ID'd that as soon as I saw the first Tommy post and would have called it out for you.
As for everything you said d sw0rds, you took the time to say it all but all of that is exactly how I feel.
FTR, I was a big fan of bringing in Phil to begin with--for the reasons JFIF is saying. He's a proven winner and undeniable basketball genius. I'm sure he's forgotten more basketball on his current vacation than I'll know in my lifetime.
That doesn't make him a good GM/president/whatever role he's choosing to play today. KP was a great pick, and one he took a bit of flak for, but otherwise, what else has he done to merit any credit? Better yet, what has he done to merit being on vacation--again--while his team is coachless? Not that he has any plans to interview anyone anyway.
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freak this franchise if they hire Rambis
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If Rambis is hired, it's because Phil wants to be more involved. He and Fisher had a disconnect because Fisher didn't talk to him at all for periods of time.
If we could, we'd want Phil to coach right? But he can't because he's creaky as a Middle Earth B&B so someone with a parallel mind is a must.
I don't blame Rambis for the Knicks sucking. The Knicks don't have enough talent yet and the guy didn't get a training camp. Besides, basketball coaches operate on the margins, as in they can make a difference, but that ceiling is always capped by the players.
I think people are inherently anxious because Melo is getting old and we have no draft pick this year, so they need to figure out a place to lash out. Phil inherited that excrement pot, so I don't think people should be calling for his head just because he's not susceptible to the neurosis afflicting the fanbase and prefers to think about things non emotionally.
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I like to think Jackson knows what he's doing. Seemed like we had a clean slate and lottery pick last year and we still didn't make a run at the 8 seed. Can we do that at least this year? I don't think that's a lot to ask three years into the tenure of a 70 something year old president. How long does it take to rebuild an NBA team? The Celtics did it in one summer a few years back.
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Breaking: Knicks will hire Jeff Hornacek as head coach, per NBA source.
mother freaking fart
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What the freak Jeff Hornacek? Didn't even know that guy was a candidate?
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What the freak Jeff Hornacek? Didn't even know that guy was a candidate?
People are saying he can make the most out of excrement personnel...then what happened in Phoenix?
Jackson just needs to tear it down and build around Porzingis. Get rid of Melo. This team isn't even competing for the eighth seed for at least two seasons.
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People are saying he can make the most out of excrement personnel...then what happened in Phoenix?
Jackson just needs to tear it down and build around Porzingis. Get rid of Melo. This team isn't even competing for the eighth seed for at least two seasons.
Their GM is an idiot. Look at the moves they've made.
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Their GM is an idiot. Look at the moves they've made.
Read it again...
A lot of NYK fans are saying he can make the most of a shitty roster. Obviously, he didn't really do that in Phoenix.
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Read it again...
A lot of NYK fans are saying he can make the most of a shitty roster. Obviously, he didn't really do that in Phoenix.
They weren't very talented and played well in a loaded Western Conference in his first year and won almost 50 games. Then the GM got greedy and made a flurry of trades for mismatched parts over that year and the next. They weren't terrible in his second year, especially considering all the roster moves they made in the offseason and mid season.
He certainly did it in his first year. His second year and third year were undermined by objectively bad decisions by ownership and the GM. If it weren't the dysfunction of the Kings absorbing all the brunt of the jokes, more people would be laughing at the Phoenix Suns in general. It's pretty hard to evaluate the job he's done based on the last season of a half of his coaching career
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I will at least admit I was wrong that Phil wasn't considering any candidates but Rambis. I'm not backing off my stance that he's a excrement front office guy.
People are saying he can make the most out of excrement personnel...then what happened in Phoenix?
Jackson just needs to tear it down and build around Porzingis. Get rid of Melo. This team isn't even competing for the eighth seed for at least two seasons.
Unless they strike gold in FA, I can't see two seasons being enough. Without the first rounder this year, how do you build? I can't imagine why Melo wants to stay here. Unless it has to do with his new business ventures, in which case he's not dropping his no-trade.
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Did this happen? Haven't seen it anywhere else.
Haven't looked but also haven't seen it.
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Did this happen? Haven't seen it anywhere else.
Haven't looked but also haven't seen it.
(http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr184/abbahj9/Mobile%20Uploads/image_66.jpg)
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Hasn't happened yet. I'm still trying to figure out why they fired Woodson, I guess the playoffs were too stressful for them.
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So I looked this up, we have no draft picks at all? Just sitting this one out?
Ok then.
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Hasn't happened yet. I'm still trying to figure out why they fired Woodson, I guess the playoffs were too stressful for them.
seriously?
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seriously?
How have we done since? 50 wins and the playoffs was fun, I thought.
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How have we done since? 50 wins and the playoffs was fun, I thought.
Woodson didn't make the playoffs in his last year as coach. Knicks had the same roster and won 18(?) less games than the previous year. That's coaching, or lack of. Also he was thoroughly outcoached in every single playoff series by Spoelstra or Vogel or whoever.
You have amnesia. No one is pining to hire Mike Woodson anywhere in the league. He's an assistant again, where he belongs, and no one will check under that scrap heap ever again for a head coaching position.
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i agree, coaching was really poor during the playoffs in 2013.
a major part of our game was 3s and throughout the season we did a good job of moving the ball on the perimeter.
in the bos series, the stupid refs let the celtics defenders be entirely TOO physical vs carmelo, they were nearly bearhugging him every possession without making any calls especially jeff green lol (call it whatever u want, a boston/doc rivers bias or a "playoffs are more physical"-type thing, but it shouldnt have been allowed) and he got pissed, and made it his personal vendetta to get the ball every possession and try to outmuscle his defenders to the rim. we played ugly but still won the series. there was no passing or ball movement, it was all just melo iso-ball.
that carried on into the series with the pacers and we got our asses handed to us even though i think we should have won that series. we played so stagnant and ugly
woodson could have done a lot to change all that, or to prevent that from happening with the players/melo
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This dude will be complaining about firing Kurt Rambis before we know it
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Has Phil Jackson done anything positive for this team yet?
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I forgot I was on FireTheCoach.com. My bad.
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Has Phil Jackson done anything positive for this team yet?
Porzingis is pretty good
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I assumed Tommy was joking, particularly considering the amnesia reference and the obviousness of the question.
Then again, it might just be Tommy not reading anything and having short term memory issues himself.
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its not firethecoach.com. i have a soft spot for mike woodson and his time here, but not having him as coach anymore is not something to be complaining about with this team at this time. just being real here
there are other things to truly be annoyed about, like sucking and still not having a draft pick to show for it, which has been on the mind of many knick fans this year but which you apparently only found out 20 minutes ago
it's best to just relax about the knicks situation for another couple seasons to see where this process ends up
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I forgot I was on FireTheCoach.com. My bad.
Yeah.
Horrible things like recanting history and facts, I know.
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its not firethecoach.com. i have a soft spot for mike woodson and his time here, but not having him as coach anymore is not something to be complaining about with this team at this time. just being real here
there are other things to truly be annoyed about, like sucking and still not having a draft pick to show for it, which has been on the mind of many knick fans this year but which you apparently only found out 20 minutes ago
it's best to just relax about the knicks situation for another couple seasons to see where this process ends up
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Not really complaining, just a passing comment that I never understood that move. It's not like we got someone better or have sniffed 500 since.
I'm pretty relaxed, I catch them in Vegas in the summer when I get a chance and just assume I'll live long enough to see another run at an 8-seed. It kind of keeps the magic of the Jets season alive after it ends and we fire that coach.
I knew we didn't have a first round pick, wasn't too concerned with a second rounder anyway, that never means anything for the Knicks. If the first guy does anything it's a miracle, hoping Porzingus plays another 20 years, we've pretty much had Ewing and him as far as the draft goes.
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http://nypost.com/2016/06/21/knicks-up-to-30m-in-cap-space-as-afflalo-williams-opt-out/
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http://nypost.com/2016/06/21/knicks-up-to-30m-in-cap-space-as-afflalo-williams-opt-out/
Bring in Idzik!
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We can afford to take on 2 or 3 terrible contracts now. Yes!
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Go get Rondo or Rose
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Give Dirk a max contract.
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Go get Rondo or Rose
Phil must think he can get Rose to adapt his game if the trade rumors are to believed.
I don't think Rondo is coming here. Even if he wanted to, I think his personality and head butting with coaches/teammates and front office are too volatile for what the Knicks want to do.
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I think we'll actually go after Mike Conley before any other free agent
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Phil must think he can get Rose to adapt his game if the trade rumors are to believed.
That's great until he gets hurt. What do we do for games 2-82?
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That's great until he gets hurt. What do we do for games 2-82?
Rose only has one year left on his deal, so it's worth a shot to go get him now.
If he goes down, it doesn't hurt you in the long run and it could give Jerian Grant more time to develop at the position.
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Rose only has one year left on his deal, so it's worth a shot to go get him now.
If he goes down, it doesn't hurt you in the long run and it could give Jerian Grant more time to develop at the position.
Ok, I'll buy that. As long as we don't trade next year's lottery pick for him.
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The Bulls are trading Rose to the Knicks for Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant and bigger package, sources tell @TheVertical
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Woah
The Bulls are sending Derrick Rose, Justin Holiday and a 2017 second-round pick for Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant and Jose Calderon.
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Aaaaaaand he just got hurt
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so much for the grant consolation when rose gets hurt
rose is a huge talent but his injury issues really make me wary. grant doesnt have the ceiling rose does but he could have at least turned into a solid point guard, and his J was much improved at the end of the year
having derrick rose on the knicks still feels pretty cool though
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also im glad i dont have to see rolo's ugly derriere face on a nightly basis anymore
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We kept our first round pick, right? I ask because it will again be a lottery pick.
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We kept our first round pick, right? I ask because it will again be a lottery pick.
I believe we acquired Chicago's 2nd round pick and did not trade away any picks
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I believe we acquired Chicago's 2nd round pick and did not trade away any picks
....... yet.
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Get Dwight and the Knicks are title contenders for the 2010 NBA championship.
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Rolo was annoying and Calderon is trash
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Rolo was annoying and Calderon is trash
I bought Jose Calderon's shirt at the first game I ever went to, which shows how little time I've been watching basketball and also qualifies me as a long term Raptors fan relative to at least 50% of the fanbase.
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i cant believe how badly you guys raped chicago in this
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I'd say good cap space move(it is, currently), but I think Lopez's contract will be more reasonable once the new TV contract money comes in.
Maybe Phil conceded that the traditional center isn't all that valuable in today's game.
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Phil is gonna go after Pau
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Will the Knicks break. 500 next year
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Will the Knicks break. 500 next year
Yeah but why
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Phil is gonna go after Pau
I thought that too, but then was unsure because I remember the Bulls saying they wanted to resign him.
But it makes sense if Chicago doesn't want him/vice versa anymore and Lopez is the replacement.
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I thought that too, but then was unsure because I remember the Bulls saying they wanted to resign him.
But it makes sense if Chicago doesn't want him/vice versa anymore and Lopez is the replacement.
Lopez might be Noah's replacement...and he's another player that makes sense for the Knicks
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So apparently Phil told Rose that we're going after Durant.
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So apparently Phil told Rose that we're going after Durant.
That would be interesting.. don't think he lands here though
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I think Durant would like to play here, but not more than he would like playing in OKC or Golden State. Or possibly DC.
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I think Durant would like to play here, but not more than he would like playing in OKC or Golden State. Or possibly DC.
He's coming to Toronto to play for the team he cheered for as a boy.
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So apparently Phil told Rose that we're going after Durant.
Makes the Rose move make more sense. If they can bring him in, Melo, Durant, Rose and Porzingis is a pretty interesting top 4
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He's coming to Toronto to play for the team he cheered for as a boy.
The Maple Leafs?
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The Maple Leafs?
https://youtu.be/KybI6MElBwo
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Do opposing fans call them the Maple Queefs?
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The Knicks chose not to participate in the draft tonight, but Porzingod's boi Willy Hernangomez is signing with the team.
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Wichita State guard Ron Baker signed with the Knicks
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The Knicks chose not to participate in the draft tonight, but Porzingod's boi Willy Hernangomez is signing with the team.
His brother got picked last night pretty early. Ridiculous name. Hernandez or Gomez, just pick one.
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At this point, I'll be shocked if Joakim Noah isn't a Knick next season.
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At this point, I'll be shocked if Joakim Noah isn't a Knick next season.
Agreed. My only question is how much are we going to pay him. We're still going to need to sign a two guard.
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@SportsCenter
Joakim Noah will meet with Knicks Friday, nearing agreement on 4-year deal worth $72 million. (via @Chris_Broussard)
Yikes. I hope there's at least a team option on the 4th year...
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$18M a year really isn't that bad with the rising cap. It will only be shitty if he starts to fall apart again.
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$18M a year really isn't that bad with the rising cap. It will only be shitty if he starts to fall apart again.
It's not the annual salary but the length of the contract that concerns me. He'll be 35 in four years.
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According to Woj, the Knicks are discussing the framework of a contract with Eric Gordon. Cue the "Knicks are forming an all-injured team" jokes.
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The Knicks are forming an all-injured team.
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Wooooo can't wait to lead the season in injuries.
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I'd rather pay Noah $18M a year than Robin Lopez $14M a year.
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I'd rather pay Noah $18M a year than Robin Lopez $14M a year.
This.
He's an ugly lover of the older lady, but he's a great defender.
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According to Woj, the Knicks are discussing the framework of a contract with Eric Gordon. Cue the "Knicks are forming an all-injured team" jokes.
Rose wants Gordon at 2
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Rose wants Gordon at 2
Yeah, I didn't know they played AAU ball together.
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Knicks prefer Courtney Lee and Evan Turner over Eric Gordon
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Hernangomez has officially joined the Knicks
Young backup center on the cheap
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Joakim Noah
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Knicks made a four year offer to Courtney Lee
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Lee just signed for $50 million over four.
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Lee just signed for $50 million over four.
I thought it was 4 for 48? Either way, Knicks have a starting five again.
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I thought it was 4 for 48? Either way, Knicks have a starting five again.
The initial report was 50.
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"The Knicks are close to signing Brandon Jennings."
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"The Knicks are close to signing Brandon Jennings."
oh no
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1 year, $5M deal for Jennings
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Lance Thomas signs 4 year deal, $6.1M annually.
Knicks rescinded their offer to Langston Galloway, making him a FA
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Phil said he ran into Noah in NY in the spring and Noah told Jackson to do pull-ups hanging on his arm to prove his shoulder was healthy.
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Kyle O'Quinn will probably be traded soon
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Kyle O'Quinn will probably be traded soon
What are your overall thoughts now? I'm hesitant, just always reluctant to get my hopes up.
Tried watching the Orlando summer league, between nobody on the roster having a snowball's chance of making the team and the terrible camera angle I made it through about 5 minutes. My league has better sight lines for anyone watching.
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What are your overall thoughts now? I'm hesitant, just always reluctant to get my hopes up.
The new starting five is really, really good but there's no denying that the injury risk is huge.
Lee is an awesome signing for the roster we have around him. He plays defense, he can shoot, and he won't ever demand the ball. Neither with Noah. Rose, Melo, and Porzingis should work really well together.
I hate Brandon Jennings, but his deal is nice. He'll provide scoring off the bench too. I was hoping we'd keep Derrick Williams but that's looking less likely by the day. Thomas is really underrated though and his presence allows Melo to play 3 and 4.
This is good for Kristaps Porzingis. I think playing with better talent and solid veterans with speed up his development. Sometimes playing on losing teams with awful talent can limit a potential star.
I hope we hang on to O'Quinn until the deadline. He's a solid bench big man and he'll be a valuable asset in the middle of the year. By that time, we'll know if Rose is back. You make a move for veteran help or for youth depending on Rose's health.
Tried watching the Orlando summer league, between nobody on the roster having a snowball's chance of making the team and the terrible camera angle I made it through about 5 minutes. My league has better sight lines for anyone watching.
The only player the Knicks have that would be interesting in the Summer League is Willy Hernangomez and he's obviously not over here yet.
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The new starting five is really, really good but there's no denying that the injury risk is huge.
Lee is an awesome signing for the roster we have around him. He plays defense, he can shoot, and he won't ever demand the ball. Neither with Noah. Rose, Melo, and Porzingis should work really well together.
I hate Brandon Jennings, but his deal is nice. He'll provide scoring off the bench too. I was hoping we'd keep Derrick Williams but that's looking less likely by the day. Thomas is really underrated though and his presence allows Melo to play 3 and 4.
This is good for Kristaps Porzingis. I think playing with better talent and solid veterans with speed up his development. Sometimes playing on losing teams with awful talent can limit a potential star.
I hope we hang on to O'Quinn until the deadline. He's a solid bench big man and he'll be a valuable asset in the middle of the year. By that time, we'll know if Rose is back. You make a move for veteran help or for youth depending on Rose's health.
The only player the Knicks have that would be interesting in the Summer League is Willy Hernangomez and he's obviously not over here yet.
Thanks.
I like O'Quinn too, would definitely keep him if we can given the injury risk. Rose scares me the most regarding injury.
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We got a Plumlee!
the sucky one
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We got a Plumlee!
the sucky one
They all suck and are horrible people
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Knicks signed some Senegalese dude who played in Spain to a 2 year fully guaranteed deal.
Maurice Ndour
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ndour was on our summer league team last season, he was the player who actually impressed me most. i was really pissed when we ended up not being able to sign him over refusing him a few more thousand or something.
i think he was snapped up by the mavs, got hurt, and got cut before the season started.
looking forward to seeing how he does. it was only preseason but i thought he had a chance to at least be a decent role player for us off the bench. hope he gets some summer league action
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I've seen a lot of Knick fans go up in arms about Vujacic being resigned. I don't get why they're bothered. Vet min deal for essentially your 14th guy. Someone who knows the system and culture Phil wants. Practices hard etc. If your 14th guy has to play, the team has bigger issues.
It's a weird move to get upset by as a fan base. I've asked several of them the same question, which is, "who else should have they gotten at that same price tag?", and no one could provide a legitimate answer. it's hair splitting at league vet mins especially on a shitty team
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I've seen a lot of Knick fans go up in arms
Story of their life
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Story of their life
PTSD and amnesia rolled into one
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I've seen a lot of Knick fans go up in arms about Vujacic being resigned. I don't get why they're bothered. Vet min deal for essentially your 14th guy. Someone who knows the system and culture Phil wants. Practices hard etc. If your 14th guy has to play, the team has bigger issues.
It's a weird move to get upset by as a fan base. I've asked several of them the same question, which is, "who else should have they gotten at that same price tag?", and no one could provide a legitimate answer. it's hair splitting at league vet mins especially on a shitty team
I hate Vujacic, he is the worst
Stereotype fulfilled.
But seriously
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Derrick Rose was completely cleared of liability in the civil rape case and it likely means there won't be legal charges brought against him.
Let's freaking goooooooooooooo!
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He's guilty.
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He's guilty.
Anyone involved in 3 on 1 sex with 3 dudes should be convicted just because that excrement is gross
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hmm. rose was definitely guilty imo
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I honestly don't know the details of the case at all. I think I'll stay willfully ignorant.
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Great win tonight.
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Great win tonight.
I haven't watched much at all this season and when I read about games like last night I regret it. KP's rocketing towards stardom, huh?
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you are missing out
there are times when he is just flat out unguardable. he is a freaking beast
also, brandon jennings has been awesome
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Yeah, what little I've seen he's looked great and I can't help but see all the media raving about him.
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If he keeps this up, he'll be a shoo-in for the AS game.
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He turned on Plumlee last night off the dribble....with his left hand.
Watching him play is disorienting. It's like NBA Jam when you're playing against the mini guys.
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He turned on Plumlee last night off the dribble....with his left hand.
Watching him play is disorienting. It's like NBA Jam when you're playing against the mini guys.
like i mentioned before....there are just some things he is able to do on the court that, in conjunction with his size, just make him flat out unguardable. there's nothing you can do
the knicks are so so lucky to have him, this cannot be said enough. we are so lucky
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joakim noah is a fuggin bum
he plays and moves like one of those old dudes you see wearing goggles at LA fitness. we play better without him
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joakim noah is a fuggin bum
he plays and moves like one of those old dudes you see wearing goggles at LA fitness. we play better without him
I went to the Raps / Knicks game a couple of weeks ago and couldn't quite believe how bad he was.
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I went to the Raps / Knicks game a couple of weeks ago and couldn't quite believe how bad he was.
we gave him 4 years, 72 million lol...which i thought was very crazy at the time, not caring about how crazy the market was either in regards to prices.
it's still early, he's coming back from injury, and he's been banged up this season already, so i'll give him some more time to prove me wrong, but early returns on him have been horrible.
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end of 1st quarter wolves 31 knicks 28. knicks playing decently but getting in foul trouble already.
KAT has 22 of the wolves 31 points and is a perfect 8-8 from the field. lmao
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You watching with your boyfriend?
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Knicks have quietly won 6 of their last 7.
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I still haven't really watched a game since opening night. I'm starting to wonder if I should just stay away.
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Knicks have quietly won 6 of their last 7.
that's gone unnoticed due to how much of a mess phil jackson is with the excrement he says
EDIT: let me clarify the above, as i am a big phil critic. i actually AGREE with everything he has said, in regards to lebron and melo.
did lebron hire his posse to major managerial positions around him? he absolutely did, maverick carter and co. were his boys who he decided to make his agents once he came up. i don't care how lebron tries to swing it, saying that he's trying to put young african americans in positions to succeed and trying to make phil's use of the term 'posse' into a race thing -- that's bullshit. that was absolutely his posse who he put in charge of his decisions, they were the ones who wanted to go to miami to win rings and ball the freak out as a crew in south beach, and the fact that lebron's image took such a big hit after the move, and that he felt he HAD TO go back to cleveland (winning 2/4 rings or not) and did end up going back, shows that lebron made the wrong decision when leaving cleveland, and that is due to the people who he put in charge around him, who were his boys.
that being said, in phil's position you absolutey CANNOT say that publicly, even if it's true you have to realize lebron is arguably the best and most popular player in the nba, and everybody is going to take his side in that argument, not phil's. phil and the knicks looked really bad after phil came out with those comments. even melo took lebron's side. and look what happened when lebron came to ny last week, he and CLE felt it was a statement game and they absolutely made a statement at the garden, they freaking trashed us. why egg on lebron and give him another reason to destroy us more than he already normally does
in regards to melo comments, does he hold the ball way too long?? absolutely, phil knows it, everybody at the garden knows it. that being said, you bring these comments up privately, to melo's face, not in a freaking cbs sports network, where melo only finds out what was said about him when reports bring it up to him post-game.
what a mess. phil should honestly know better. the crutch he uses is that he has 11 rings, so freak everybody else, he knows better because of the 11 rings.
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No rose, no melo tonight against Golden State
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No rose, no melo tonight against Golden State
No problem
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derrick rose is a hoo-ha
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Let's just take a minute to enjoy this, shall we?
https://gfycat.com/ObviousBowedCheetah
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Please trade Carmelo
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i've been on the 'trade carmelo' train since january 2014. we still could have gotten a fantastic haul for him back then
noah's play has improved, but he is still nowhere near the 72 million he will be getting from us. i can honestly say it is one of the worst moves of all time
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Please trade Carmelo
I think Phil is trying to do everything to force him out now. It's time though, Melo needs to go.
I rather this team suck this year and get a decent draft pick. They can't play defense and they're not going anywhere.
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Build it around Porzingis
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Build it around Ronnie Baker
Fyp
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Fyp
the real great white hope
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I feel like Joakim Osweiler is going to be an albatross for a while yet. Not sure how they fix that other than hope he somehow manages to remember how to play ball.
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I feel like Joakim Osweiler is going to be an albatross for a while yet. Not sure how they fix that other than hope he somehow manages to remember how to play ball.
nice
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Cowherd was right about Melo. He is a jet ski.
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I still believe you can win with Melo and KP. Rose should be traded first and Noah was a massive mistake.
That said, the best thing for everyone involved at this point is probably to trade Anthony and build the team around KP.
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^ win what?
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^ win what?
One game in a first round playoff series.
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^ win what?
A title.
But it's irrelevant. The team needs to be reconstructed. And if you're going to do that, Anthony's not young enough to keep around when you can turn him into assets.
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Lol
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Lol x2
A title...over Cleveland, San Antonio, or Golden State?
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Lol x2
A title...over Cleveland, San Antonio, or Golden State?
Just Melo and Porzingis? No. But them plus a quality team around them, why not?
It's irrelevant. Anthony's not young enough to last a significant rebuild and there isn't nearly enough talent on the team for it to be a short rebuild. Just so we're clear, I agree with you that they need to trade Carmelo and build around KP.
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I'll echo everyone else
Lol
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Knicks ain't winning a title until 2020 at the earliest
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Knicks should just trade to a team for shitty expiring deals on playoff team and their shitty draft pick
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i actually feel bad for carmelo, at this point in his career the only way he will win a title is if he is somewhat of an 'afterthought' piece on an already stacked team, like cleveland or golden state if they were allowed to keep all of their current stars and were able to somehow add him to the team too
any team that tries to build something with him as the main focal point, or even the 2nd option, will be doomed to fail IMO. i actually respect him as a human so it sucks to say that, but i feel it's very true
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i actually feel bad for carmelo, at this point in his career the only way he will win a title is if he is somewhat of an 'afterthought' piece on an already stacked team, like cleveland or golden state if they were allowed to keep all of their current stars and were able to somehow add him to the team too
any team that tries to build something with him as the main focal point, or even the 2nd option, will be doomed to fail IMO. i actually respect him as a human so it sucks to say that, but i feel it's very true
It's sad. They had years to build a team around him and didn't. Now he's got to be a supporting actor to have any shot at all.
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I don't feel sorry for a guy who makes $25 million a year to play basketball. I feel bad for the fans who pay money to watch this excrement team not do enough to build around Melo to create a competitive franchise.
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i actually feel bad for carmelo, at this point in his career the only way he will win a title is if he is somewhat of an 'afterthought' piece on an already stacked team, like cleveland or golden state if they were allowed to keep all of their current stars and were able to somehow add him to the team too
any team that tries to build something with him as the main focal point, or even the 2nd option, will be doomed to fail IMO. i actually respect him as a human so it sucks to say that, but i feel it's very true
I don't feel bad for Melo. His play style is not conducive to a championship team.
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I don't feel sorry for a guy who makes $25 million a year to play basketball. I feel bad for the fans who pay money to watch this excrement team not do enough to build around Melo to create a competitive franchise.
I can't really argue with that.
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I don't feel sorry for a guy who makes $25 million a year to play basketball. I feel bad for the fans who pay money to watch this excrement team not do enough to build around Melo to create a competitive franchise.
i have been vocally critical of our ownership and phil jackson for a while
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the 'feel bad for melo' view from me is because i respect what he tried to do this past summer in regards to the treatment of African Amercans in the US. that, in addition to his achievements with the US men's basketball team this summer, meant that he actually won the offseason title this past summer lol, it may be the only title he can ever lay claim to.
in terms of a player i think he is quite the bitch. it sucks that the organization wasted years of his career without building a proper contender around him, but i think he's a bitch because i don't think that actually ever mattered to him. he just wanted to come to NY to appease his wife and get a max contract while doing so, which is what we provided him with. winning here wasn't ever at the forefront of his intentions of coming here imo
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Sounds like the Clippers are really the final option.
Move him for Jamal Crawford, JJ Redick, and a pick. Just get him out of here.
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adam silver would have been a better president than trump
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(https://68.media.tumblr.com/19632a429a5aee9cf741f100883644e9/tumblr_olloelAOkM1vv3ku5o1_540.jpg)
lets goooooo
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bro even the knicks/porzingis can't do that right, he was playing with a fvcking ugly derriere herpe on his lip last night, the fvck is wrong with him i cannot believe this
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bro even the knicks/porzingis can't do that right, he was playing with a fvcking ugly derriere herpe on his lip last night, the fvck is wrong with him i cannot believe this
hahahahaha
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Big win last night.
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Big win last night.
huh? we should be trying to absolutely tank right now. we played well but that doesn't change the fact that i was completely pissed off the entire game because we should just be losing
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huh? we should be trying to absolutely tank right now. we played well but that doesn't change the fact that i was completely pissed off the entire game because we should just be losing
I was kidding. Overall they've done a nice job of tanking, the road trip was a masterpiece by that standard.
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(https://68.media.tumblr.com/19632a429a5aee9cf741f100883644e9/tumblr_olloelAOkM1vv3ku5o1_540.jpg)
lets goooooo
LOL
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I was kidding. Overall they've done a nice job of tanking, the road trip was a masterpiece by that standard.
don't take it personally IS, i've developed a short fuse with the knicks over the conduct of the team over the past few seasons (could actually be a decade + ) and everything about them gets me mad now lol.
the noah deal was shockingly bad at 4/72 when i first heard of it (who were we competing with for noah, a NY kid, when we gave him SEVENTY-TWO million....coming off big injury years), but now after noah's play this year and the suspension, it should legitimately go down as one of the worst moves of all time, and we're stuck with him unless he decides to retire or we decide to eat the money and release him.
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don't take it personally IS, i've developed a short fuse with the knicks over the conduct of the team over the past few seasons (could actually be a decade + ) and everything about them gets me mad now lol.
the noah deal was shockingly bad at 4/72 when i first heard of it (who were we competing with for noah, a NY kid, when we gave him SEVENTY-TWO million....coming off big injury years), but now after noah's play this year and the suspension, it should legitimately go down as one of the worst moves of all time, and we're stuck with him unless he decides to retire or we decide to eat the money and release him.
I haven't been watching basketball as long as most of you, but I went to a Raps/Knicks game this year and his performance was definitively the worst performance I've ever seen from a starting player regardless of salary. And I watched Bargnani, Chuck Hayes and Tyler Hansbrough in Raptors jerseys.
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I haven't been watching basketball as long as most of you, but I went to a Raps/Knicks game this year and his performance was definitively the worst performance I've ever seen from a starting player regardless of salary. And I watched Bargnani, Chuck Hayes and Tyler Hansbrough in Raptors jerseys.
yeah i remember you mentioning that, i was hoping he was still shaking the injuries off but he didn't get much better after that either, and now he's going to be suspended for a banned substance in pills he took.....that the NYK organization told him not to take. he is a mess
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Early on the Knicks were having their only success when Noah was out and O'Quinn was playing.
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It ends tonight.
#6 seed in the lottery.
Go Knicks!
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It ends tonight.
#6 seed in the lottery.
Go Knicks!
this is the year, this is the year the nba fixes the lottery for US and we get the #1 overall pick
-NYC market
-top talents in kristaps and hernangomez
-solid young cast of role players around them
-team still devoid of top-tier young talent other than the aforementioned 2
-all the turmoil we dealt with this year with phil, carmelo, dolan, oakley, etc
-aging/declining star in melo who is more or less gone, need something/somebody to fill his place
-being shafted out of a top 2 pick in 2015 (landing KP does not change that it was still a huge shaft lottery-wise)
NYK, 2017 #1 overall pick. it's inevitable
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The Knicks and Jackson agreed to pick up his 2 year option.
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this is the year, this is the year the nba fixes the lottery for US and we get the #1 overall pick
-NYC market
-top talents in kristaps and hernangomez
-solid young cast of role players around them
-team still devoid of top-tier young talent other than the aforementioned 2
-all the turmoil we dealt with this year with phil, carmelo, dolan, oakley, etc
-aging/declining star in melo who is more or less gone, need something/somebody to fill his place
-being shafted out of a top 2 pick in 2015 (landing KP does not change that it was still a huge shaft lottery-wise)
NYK, 2017 #1 overall pick. it's inevitable
No chance.
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The Knicks and Jackson agreed to pick up his 2 year option.
Oh good. More years of alienating players and coaches from coming here in favor of the stupid triangle.
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Noah needs surgery on a torn rotator cuff. After the surgery is 4-6 months of rehab.
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Noah needs surgery on a torn rotator cuff. After the surgery is 4-6 months of rehab.
Next year's 8 seed is already slipping away.
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Next year's 8 seed is already slipping away.
Don't worry, the plan was to get the 8th pick anyway.
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cemented, joakim noah now legitimately one of the worst signings ever made
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adrian woj reporting that kurt rambis is 'highly unpopular' amongst knick players
this was a guy who jackson was completely content with making our permanent coach before the season, before fans/analysts/reporters alike started complaining about how jackson was mucking about with the HC search, forcing jackson to begrudgingly interview hornacek, who he eventually hired
as time goes on excrement keeps looking worse for him
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tonight is the night, 1st overall pick babby
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Of course
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No one saw that coming
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ayo freak our lives B
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nba keep screwing us over and have rigged it for the lakers yet again, next year has to be our year
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nba keep screwing us over and have rigged it for the lakers yet again, next year has to be our year
Knicks got what they deserved after that disgrace of a season.
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nba keep screwing us over and have rigged it for the lakers yet again, next year has to be our year
Lol
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They still might be able to grab Fox or Monk if they get lucky.
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Knicks got what they deserved after that disgrace of a season.
you won't find any argument from me there lool, still a fan can hope
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At least this is a deep draft. Only saving grace.
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Lol
haha
that first overall pick excrement from me is half sarcastic, half serious. i do believe they fix the top 3 picks, though, and pick and choose based off who they think would benefit the most while taking city/market into account.
and in that regard the knicks have had a ton of bad crap happen to them the past few years and would be in dire need of such a franchise-changing event in a very bad way. i posted my reasons for believing why it would be the knicks a few posts above, but maybe some of the things i posted, such as trading/losing melo, have to actually happen before the nba will actually do it for us. maybe this means it'll be next year
i was 100% sure of only one thing tonight, though -- that there was no way the nba would allow the lakers to fall out of the top 3
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decent chance of fox being there at 8
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Lakers had 54% chance they picked 3 or less. Would have lost pick to 76ers.
Knicks had 22% chance picking 8th. Picking 8th.
Knicks can't even suck right.
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freak it
go get Lauri Markkanen at 8
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Doesn't matter until we get rid of Phil. If we can only get players and/or coaches who are down with the triangle we're going to suck until about four years after he's gone.
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Doesn't matter until we get rid of Dolan.
Nothing more needs to be said.
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Not directly Knicks related, but somewhat related. The car Derek Fisher flipped while DUI is registered to Matt Barnes. bit.ly/2sjyxiS (http://bit.ly/2sjyxiS)
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Not directly Knicks related, but somewhat related. The car Derek Fisher flipped while DUI is registered to Matt Barnes. bit.ly/2sjyxiS (http://bit.ly/2sjyxiS)
Looks like another punch in the face is in order.
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Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical is reporting that Knicks president Phil Jackson "isn't ruling out the possibility of trading Kristaps Porzingis," which has resulted in a "frenzy of interest."
On the surface, trading Porzingis would seem to make absolutely no sense for the Knicks. Phil Jackson has stated publicly that he wants to part ways with Carmelo Anthony and commit to a full rebuild. One would assume that any logical rebuilding would center around their 21-year old rising star. Considering his incredible skill set and versatility, Porzingis would seemingly be the ideal cornerstone for the franchise moving forward. Stay tuned, as we will provide updates as they become available.
I would be so far beyond disgusted if this happens...
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I would be so far beyond disgusted if this happens...
I have no hope for this season whatever we do.
Basically down to the Dodgers and Seton Hall to get me through the calendar the next few years.
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I'm dead serious this time. If we trade Porzingis, I'm done with this excrement franchise.
I'll become a Pelicans fan.
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I'm dead serious this time. If we trade Porzingis, I'm done with this excrement franchise.
I'll become a Pelicans fan.
Yeah yeah yeah. You said that about Shumpert as well.
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Yeah yeah yeah. You said that about Shumpert as well.
Shumpert wasn't actually good though.
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Shumpert wasn't actually good though.
"Best perimeter defender in the game", I believe was your argument for not trading him.
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Yeah yeah yeah. You said that about Shumpert as well.
I remember the same proclamation
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"Best perimeter defender in the game", I believe was your argument for not trading him.
Best haircut*
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I think I'll just give up on the NBA if the Knicks trade KP.
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Apparently Phil offered KP to the Suns for Booker and the 4th.
excrement if the Suns were that dumb, as much as I think KP is a stud had they said yes, you take that and run.
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I'm done with this forum
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fvck devin booker lol, KP is better and much more valuable
even considering a KP trade is the icing on the cake. phil jackson is a monumentally horrible GM/team president, one of the worst the league has ever seen
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people were saying phil should get credit for pulling the trigger and drafting KP, and he even tried to big himself up by saying that even if we had the #1 pick we would have chosen KP. i've long called BS on all that, stating that the knicks were quite fortunate to end up with the 4th and thus only left with drafting porzingis, because if we had gotten 2 or 3 one of d'angelo or jahlil okafor would have been knicks. considering porzingis only proves that he just has no idea what the fvck he is doing
things aren't that complicated. we already have 2 great pieces in KP and hernangomez and some pretty solid bench/role players. we need backcourt talent badly and this draft is literally littered with wonderful guard talent. draft monk for an explosive scoring option at guard (who i slightly disfavor due to his smaller size at the 2), or take the potential in ntilikina. in him you'd get somebody at 6'5 as a PG who is already a tenacious defender, but somebody who has a lot of scoring potential as well, and somebody who i can possibly see transitioning into an all-around SG who does very well in both scoring and passing/facilitating the ball
try seeing if you could trade courtney lee for somebody like rubio. see if you can get picks or some talent back for carmelo anthony. continue to build that nucleus through the draft while adding some solid players through FA the next few years. not that hard
you don't blow up the entire project by trading your best young talent for another unknown
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Only the Knicks would even entertain the thought of trading their franchise player with years of team control left on his contract, let alone leak the fact that they're considering this idiocy to the press...
Phil has put on a clinic on discouraging players from ever wanting to be a part of this team.
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I'm hoping it's just draft talk nonsense. Even the Knicks can't be that dumb.
You need three good players to have a competitive NBA team and we have one who will be here, so let's trade him. Come on.
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I know nothing about basketball, the sport is an abomination. I hope they trade him for a used basketball rack because freak you all.
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I know nothing.
Truth.
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the sport is an abomination. I hope they trade him for a used basketball rack because freak you all.
Truth.
Exactly
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"Basketball is so easy lolz I threw down a tomahawk dunk or drained a halfcourt shot every attempt the first time I played and then I never set foot on the court again"
- Puckzingis
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"Basketball is so easy lolz I threw down a tomahawk dunk or drained a halfcourt shot every attempt the first time I played and then I never set foot on the court again"
- Puckzingis
Yeah no the sport sucks a huge bag of dicks, just like you.
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Yeah no the sport sucks a huge bag of dicks, just like you.
So why are you in the Knicks thread? We don't come to your band practice and p1ss on your construction worker costume.
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So why are you in the Knicks thread? We don't come to your band practice and p1ss on your construction worker costume.
I came here to kick derriere and chew bubble gum, fortunately there are plenty of asses in this thread. I am replying to one.
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Go get a point guard.
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Go get a point guard.
well you got what you want from a positional POV.
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We love our international players.
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Never heard of this guy.
Anyone?
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Never heard of this guy.
Anyone?
Obvious bust
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Obvious bust
Well, clearly.
#FireTannenbaum
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Calling it now. Knicks draft Luka Doncic in 2018.
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phil jackson spends days before draft attempting to trade his young franchise player
phil jackson after drafting another euro prospect:
"we have to start trying to grow our own guys"
poopchute
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ramonashelburne: Knicks and President Phil Jackson are expected to announce that they're parting ways early Wednesday morning, sources told ESPN.
!!!!!
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Finally, lover of the older lady.
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this move has been a long time coming
one of the worst GMs/presidents of all time
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Now if only Dolan can fire himself...
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this move has been a long time coming
one of the worst GMs/presidents of all time
And oddly not a clear cut worst of all time for the Knicks. Strange they let him make a lottery pick before he left.
Only one way to go from here, I guess. Hoping we can attract two more good players to the #1 market in the country and take a shot at the 8 seed one year before I drop f*cking dead.
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this move has been a long time coming
one of the worst GMs/presidents of all time
Hasn't he filled the roster with good young players and cap space, and a bunch of picks to boot? The team might not be competitive right now or in the immediate future, but I got the impression he'd shifted a lot of the dead wood.
Anyway, apparently Dolan wants Masai Ujiri to replace him.
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Hasn't he filled the roster with good young players and cap space, and a bunch of picks to boot? The team might not be competitive right now or in the immediate future, but I got the impression he'd shifted a lot of the dead wood.
His best moves were drafting Porzingis (which he was supposedly against at the time) and trading for Hernangomez.
His worst was giving the corpse of Joakim Noah $72 million guaranteed.
Everything else falls somewhere in between.
If you want to give him credit for not putting the team in cap hell or for not trading away all our draft picks, as previous administrations had done, that's fine, but that's a pretty freaking low bar to set... but probably appropriate for the Knicks.
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Signing Carmelo to a yuge deal with a no trade clause is up there but nothing tops Noah
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Hasn't he filled the roster with good young players and cap space, and a bunch of picks to boot? The team might not be competitive right now or in the immediate future, but I got the impression he'd shifted a lot of the dead wood.
Anyway, apparently Dolan wants Masai Ujiri to replace him.
he didn't want to trade tyson chandler for jae crowder, but he was about to trade kristaps porzingis for jae crowder
like i've said in previous posts, i don't give him much credit for porzingis. that was the only pick to be made at 4, if we had gotten the 2nd or 3rd pick jahlil okafor or russell would be knicks right now.
he definitely gets credit for hernangomez, one of his only very good moves, and i'll give him credit for justin holiday as well, but even then holiday is a role player, and he's found some role players but that doesn't take a genius to do, but he'll have you believing it's because he's ingenious and he's all zen. everything other move he has made has ranged from 'meh' to disaster.
throw in the noah deal, one of the worst of all time. it is a year later and i'm still trying to figure out who he was outbidding when he gave noah 4 years @ 13 mil per.
throw in all the off-the-court excrement with all his unnecessary and ridiculous criticisms of the game's best players. it's the 'smarter-than-thou' attitude when he says dumb excrement that got me the most. i'm as big a melo hater and critic as anybody you'll meet, and even i think his treatment of melo has been completely unprofessional in the worst way, and what's more is he's made moving melo, which is what we have to do, damn near impossible by advertising to everybody that he has no role/place here. what are we going to get for him?
he came at the face of the nba and got a ton of criticism thrown the knicks way not only from king james himself but by all those loyal to lebron, which is nearly every fan and every player other than draymond in the nba, by making a completely unnecessary 'posse' comment, even if i absolutely believe that to be the case with lebron, you still don't make that comment in public phil, you don't. but he did because he's phil and he's above all of that
he said we'd seen steph curry before in chris jackson/mahmoud abdul-rauf
not only that, he only took this job half-assedly. travelling back and forth to LA for his relationship before he broke up with jeanie buss, not travelling for away games, deciding to live all the way out in freaking pennsylvania such that there were stories that he even found travelling to home games tiresome. his heart was never in this, he was just raking in the money and was happy to do so
he hired one of the worst coaches of all time in derek fisher, and a rookie coach at that, to a huge deal, and we're still paying derek fisher 5 mil a year to sit at home with other players' wives and crash the cars of said player while driving under the influence
i need not repeat that he compared steph curry to mahmoud abdul-rauf
MAHMOUD ABDUL-RAUF
phil was an unmitigated disaster in ever sense of the word
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he didn't want to trade tyson chandler for jae crowder, but he was about to trade kristaps porzingis for jae crowder
like i've said in previous posts, i don't give him much credit for porzingis. that was the only pick to be made at 4, if we had gotten the 2nd or 3rd pick jahlil okafor or russell would be knicks right now.
he definitely gets credit for hernangomez, one of his only very good moves, and i'll give him credit for justin holiday as well, but even then holiday is a role player, and he's found some role players but that doesn't take a genius to do, but he'll have you believing it's because he's ingenious and he's all zen. everything other move he has made has ranged from 'meh' to disaster.
throw in the noah deal, one of the worst of all time. it is a year later and i'm still trying to figure out who he was outbidding when he gave noah 4 years @ 13 mil per.
throw in all the off-the-court excrement with all his unnecessary and ridiculous criticisms of the game's best players. it's the 'smarter-than-thou' attitude when he says dumb excrement that got me the most. i'm as big a melo hater and critic as anybody you'll meet, and even i think his treatment of melo has been completely unprofessional in the worst way, and what's more is he's made moving melo, which is what we have to do, damn near impossible by advertising to everybody that he has no role/place here. what are we going to get for him?
he came at the face of the nba and got a ton of criticism thrown the knicks way not only from king james himself but by all those loyal to lebron, which is nearly every fan and every player other than draymond in the nba, by making a completely unnecessary 'posse' comment, even if i absolutely believe that to be the case with lebron, you still don't make that comment in public phil, you don't. but he did because he's phil and he's above all of that
he said we'd seen steph curry before in chris jackson/mahmoud abdul-rauf
not only that, he only took this job half-assedly. travelling back and forth to LA for his relationship before he broke up with jeanie buss, not travelling for away games, deciding to live all the way out in freaking pennsylvania such that there were stories that he even found travelling to home games tiresome. his heart was never in this, he was just raking in the money and was happy to do so
he hired one of the worst coaches of all time in derek fisher, and a rookie coach at that, to a huge deal, and we're still paying derek fisher 5 mil a year to sit at home with other players' wives and crash the cars of said player while driving under the influence
i need not repeat that he compared steph curry to mahmoud abdul-rauf
MAHMOUD ABDUL-RAUF
phil was an unmitigated disaster in ever sense of the word
Agree with everything except the stuff about LeBron. Phil still has the right to call out truths. LeBron has been a PR master since returning to Cleveland with that situation being a rare exception.
The Noah contract is total excrement. Calderon was a disaster here. The Fischer hiring was a trainwreck and he completely handcuffed Hornacek after saying he wouldn't. The majority of people thought the Knicks had to bring back Melo so its hard for me to get on him for it, but the way he's handled Melo was extraordinarily horrible, the way he alienated his best move and created friction with KP was even worse.
Amazingly enough, he still did a better job than Isiah. Or Layden.
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I'm predicting that Dolan will sell the team by the end of the decade.
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OK, ima sit the freak back down then.
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It shouldn't take years to put at least a competitive NBA team together. It's only a 12 man roster, you need 3 good guys and you're in New York.
80-166 is a crooked a** record for a guy who won 11 titles as a head coach. Turns out the triangle without Jordan or Kobe is a pile of sh*t. Maybe Phil isn't a genius and a square would have also worked.
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Agree with everything except the stuff about LeBron. Phil still has the right to call out truths. LeBron has been a PR master since returning to Cleveland with that situation being a rare exception.
The Noah contract is total excrement. Calderon was a disaster here. The Fischer hiring was a trainwreck and he completely handcuffed Hornacek after saying he wouldn't. The majority of people thought the Knicks had to bring back Melo so its hard for me to get on him for it, but the way he's handled Melo was extraordinarily horrible, the way he alienated his best move and created friction with KP was even worse.
Amazingly enough, he still did a better job than Isiah. Or Layden.
i forgot about jose calderon lol.
phil could have called out lebron in a different way. like i said before, i actually agree with what phil said because that is what lebron did, he took his friends and gave them money/jobs and he let them make all his decisions for him, and it didn't work out so well for a while. but the way he went about it.....there is an appropriate way of approaching that topic, and then there is the completely wrong way, which is what phil did. he used the word 'posse', a term very much associated with thuggish hip hop culture, to describe what a young black man did with his friends, and it was very easy for lebron to turn around and say that this was another example of people trying to bring down/demean young black men trying to be successful. the zen master should have seen that one coming from a mile away before he said it, but then again he's always held himself above everybody like he is untouchable
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I'm predicting that Dolan will sell the team by the end of the decade.
he needs to just sell it now, he's obviously got other interests and the knicks are backseat for him because we suck
is there a way he can keep MSG the arena/television channel while selling ownership of the team to somebody else? i feel like he would totally do that if that was the case
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OK, ima sit the freak back down then.
no offense/disrespect meant towards you JE, i just hated phil's tenure here a lot, i've been feeling this way about him ever since his first HC search that ended up with fisher, where his only criterion for considering a candidate was 'former player of mine who played the triangle'. it has been a long time coming
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It shouldn't take years to put at least a competitive NBA team together. It's only a 12 man roster, you need 3 good guys and you're in New York.
80-166 is a crooked a** record for a guy who won 11 titles as a head coach. Turns out the triangle without Jordan or Kobe is a pile of sh*t. Maybe Phil isn't a genius and a square would have also worked.
i hate phil as a GM/president but there should absolutely be no doubt that he is an all time great coach. jordan & co, kobe & shaq were together before jackson and won nothing until he came, then he came and they won everything
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no offense/disrespect meant towards you JE, i just hated phil's tenure here a lot, i've been feeling this way about him ever since his first HC search that ended up with fisher, where his only criterion for considering a candidate was 'former player of mine who played the triangle'. it has been a long time coming
Hey, no offense taken. I'm the first to admit my lack of knowledge when it comes to basketball, I'm a casual fan at best. It does look like the Knicks are in a better place now than they were when he took over though, surely?
Take your point about the Noah contract though. I went to a Raps/Knicks game last season and it was painful to watch how bad he was.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/james-dolan-knicks-savior-dumping-phil-jackson-article-1.3284741
This freaking franchise...
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I don't see that happening.
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I don't see that happening.
Hopefully Isola's trolling for clicks.
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Looks like David Griffin is the frontrunner.
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is david griffin the one that hired david blatt
if so then no thanks
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$71 million for Tim Hardaway, Jr...
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$71 million for Tim Hardaway, Jr...
the knicks have no idea what they're doing. when jackson stepped down i was worried about steve mills as president, seeing as how mills was isiah's right-hand man when they both tore down the knicks organization, but i thought he'd get a GM in before he would actually do anything. i was wrong
18 million a year for a role player/non-starter who doesn't play D on a team that needs D is an absolutely horrible deal. THJ can still play whereas noah cannot but i still see this deal as just as bad as the noah contract
this team now has more than 50% of its cap tied up in courtney lee, THJ, and joakim noah, who are either role players or just straight up garbage (noah). that is not how you build a winning team.
we are going to be bad for a while
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also, seeing as how we needed some sort of PG but splurged all of our available cash on a player we really didn't need and have only like 4 mil left in cap space, i can totally see us being the team that bites and brings back baron davis on a really cheap contract to serve as the 'pg mentor' we were supposed to be finding for ntilikina
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Baron Davis lol. Isn't he 50 by now?
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Just trade Carmelo already
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baron davis may be older but he has been working hard towards a comeback, he played with us at the end of his career and we were looking for veteran PG help for ntilikina, and now we have no money left. i can totally see mills going for him
another team that has emerged for carmelo are the rockets. a CP3-harden-melo trio could be very nice, but if melo was smart i'd try to stay in the east and try to win a title from there.
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another team that has emerged for carmelo are the rockets. a CP3-harden-melo trio could be very nice, but if melo was smart i'd try to stay in the east and try to win a title from there.
That would be one of the highest scoring teams in the league, but they wouldn't play defense for excrement.
I hoping the Knicks can trade with Houston and get Zhou Qi as part of the trade.
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baron davis may be older but
Stop. I can't watch you do this to yourself.
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Stop. I can't watch you do this to yourself.
i want no part of baron davis. i was just saying i could see this team signing him because of this fucktard of a signing that we just made, we haven't given ourselves many other options. but again, i in no way shape or form want us to actually sign baron davis. lol
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Knicks should trade melo for Ryan Anderson on rockets so they can have 3 worst contracts in basketball.
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Woj: New York has agreed to a deal to send Carmelo Anthony to OKC for Enes Kanter, Doug McDermott and a draft pick, league sources tell ESPN.
Good Riddance
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move is made 3 years too late, but about time. it came a day after he agreed to open up his options from just Houston, to include OKC and Cleveland too. Melo has nobody to blame but himself for this occurring as late as it has during the offseason
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Dougie McBuckets + Ron Baker = Elite Backcourt
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ron baker is a don, making more money than derek rose
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I just looked at our schedule. Our first game is at the Thunder.
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It was a needed move, but I hate that it turned out this way.
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Nothing from nothing is nothing. I like Melo but we weren't winning with him and we're not winning without him. Hopefully frees up some money to someday win with somebody else. Once Noah and Hardaway's contracts are up, so about 8 years from now.
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Nothing from nothing is nothing. I like Melo but we weren't winning with him and we're not winning without him. Hopefully frees up some money to someday win with somebody else. Once Noah and Hardaway's contracts are up, so about 8 years from now.
Noah sure, but why are you ready to be rid of Hardaway?
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Noah sure, but why are you ready to be rid of Hardaway?
A lot of money to pay a guy we got rid of after drafting him, would rather have the money.
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A lot of money to pay a guy we got rid of after drafting him, would rather have the money.
But what would you spend the money on?
Obviously, another player. So if Hardaway performs, what's the problem with paying him?
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But what would you spend the money on?
Obviously, another player. So if Hardaway performs, what's the problem with paying him?
That could be said for any of them, if, yeah. My thought is we're getting little to nothing from Hardaway or Noah for the length of time we're paying them. So until they're off the books and we can get a top notch player--whatever year that is will determine who--then we're fighting for the 8 seed and not getting it.
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That could be said for any of them, if, yeah. My thought is we're getting little to nothing from Hardaway or Noah for the length of time we're paying them. So until they're off the books and we can get a top notch player--whatever year that is will determine who--then we're fighting for the 8 seed and not getting it.
They're not getting anything from Noah, but Hardaway can score. It's a very different team post-Melo and I think right now you have to be a little more wait-and-see with them.
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They're not getting anything from Noah, but Hardaway can score. It's a very different team post-Melo and I think right now you have to be a little more wait-and-see with them.
I'd love to be wrong, trust me. Not asking for much, stay competitive in the East through the holidays, maybe into the new year, is that too much?
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I'd love to be wrong, trust me. Not asking for much, stay competitive in the East through the holidays, maybe into the new year, is that too much?
It's so hard to have wishful thinking with this team.
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It's so hard to have wishful thinking with this team.
If I lower the bar any further it will be a dead lift.
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A lot of money to pay a guy we got rid of after drafting him, would rather have the money.
Knicks Hardaway and Atlanta Hardaway were too very different players.
I still do not think he's worth what we paid him, but he's turned into a pretty good player.
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Knicks Hardaway and Atlanta Hardaway were too very different players.
I still do not think he's worth what we paid him, but he's turned into a pretty good player.
I thought he had potential when he was here the first time, hoping it works out. That's pretty much my approach to every Knicks season since the Ewing trade, I hope it works out.
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Tuned in Saturday up about 20, just in time to watch them implode and blow the game. It was a nice little warm up for the Jet game on Sunday, where I got home early 3rd quarter.
Also, no more Clyde on the telecasts? He was about the last reason to keep watching the games.
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Good win at Cleveland last night, won two in a row.
#TheFinals
And Clyde is still on the telecasts, thank f*ck.
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Good win at Cleveland last night, won two in a row.
#TheFinals
And Clyde is still on the telecasts, thank f*ck.
i think he was just out the first couple of games until our first home game, but sczcerbiak did a really good job
the knicks have looked good the last 3 games
porzingis is a bonafide star
thj started out like trash but he has picked it up the past couple of games. i feel we overpayed for him dearly, just as we did with noah, but at least thj has talent and upside. irrespective of the price tag, confident he will produce, and he is a very good shooter/scorer
i actually really liked the melo trade because of how we got back enes kanter, and he is balling the fugg out for us. teams find it really tough to cope with our size when we play KP-Kanter together. we have 2 really talented backup big men in o'quinn-hernangomez who could form our 2nd unit and continue beating up on guys while we rest KP and Kanter, but hornacek is doing a really bad job with rotational minutes imo
ultimately the knicks can never have anything good because they'd rather trade a baller like o'quinn, who embodies the NY spirit and plays like a bulldog, than trade/cut the fugg off the team a trash player like noah who has absolutely nothing left, and cheated to boot. get him the fugg out the league, just eat the money, it is a sunk cost at this point and he is finished
i've liked what i've seen so far from ntilikina. very good defense and passing, but still very green. decent J but hesistant to shoot/try to score at the moment, and lots of dumb passes/turnovers. i think we have a good one in him, but i already fear that the knicks may have missed something big by passing over dennis smith jr, who is already ballin the fugg out. it's early days yet so i'll give it some time, brandon jennings looked awesome too when he first entered the league
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overall looking forward to what the season will bring. not sure what we have yet, it may range from a 15-67 team to a mediocre team battling for the last playoff spot. either way im just happy to be watching knick basketball again. i like the look/direction of the team post-melo, and glad for melo too. i hope that OKC trio messes up the GSW/CLE duopoly that has been the nba the past few years. i think they have it in them
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overall looking forward to what the season will bring. not sure what we have yet, it may range from a 15-67 team to a mediocre team battling for the last playoff spot. either way im just happy to be watching knick basketball again. i like the look/direction of the team post-melo, and glad for melo too. i hope that OKC trio messes up the GSW/CLE duopoly that has been the nba the past few years. i think they have it in them
after a 3-3 start we're not going 15-67. Assuming no catastrophic injuries the team will win 25 games
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I'm very nervous of what's happening right now (Porzingis being this dominant). I hope the shoe never drops
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I'm pleasantly surprised they turned it around and got back to 3-3. Cautiously optimistic, but it's nice to see. I liked Melo and wish him well in OKC, but the end of games now we're not forcing the ball to him and hoping he can recapture the magic. Finding the open guy is always a better recipe.
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PORZINGOD
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Frankie Niks, The French Prince of New York
-WFAN Caller
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I haven't watched a single minute of this team yet this season, and I'm clearly missing something. Now I'm scared to jinx it.
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PORZINGOD
That was pretty amazing last night, I didn't see that one coming. Down 19 late in the 3rd.
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This Knicks team is incredibly fun to watch.
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Trading Melo might be the best thing this team has done this century... after drafting KP.
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Jarrett Jack has been awesome.
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Jarrett Jack has been awesome.
How about McBuckets tonight?
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How about McBuckets tonight?
He's a good scorer to bring off the bench. This team doesn't have a lot of talent on the bench, but I feel like we're still pretty deep at every position except shooting guard.
It'll be interesting to see how Hornacek uses Noah when that bum comes back.
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I was sitting watching election coverage last night when my brother texted me that KP had scored 13 with 6 minutes left in the first. I flipped over because why would I choose election coverage over that? I turned it on and Porzingis was on the bench. I only saw him play a couple of minutes between then and halftime, and then didn't watch the rest of the game.
Maybe it's better if I don't watch?
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I was sitting watching election coverage last night when my brother texted me that KP had scored 13 with 6 minutes left in the first. I flipped over because why would I choose election coverage over that? I turned it on and Porzingis was on the bench. I only saw him play a couple of minutes between then and halftime, and then didn't watch the rest of the game.
Maybe it's better if I don't watch?
So what did you do after halftime?
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So what did you do after halftime?
He jerked off to highlights of John Kruk DHing.
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So what did you do after halftime?
I figured no one really wanted to read about me doing the dishes or that there were 2 things recording on the DVR so I couldn't watch anything.
He jerked off to highlights of John Kruk DHing.
Kruk sucks. freak Kruk.
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Porzingis has an ankle sprain. Thanks, Alio.
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Porzingis has an ankle sprain. Thanks, Alio.
I turned the game on in the 4th last night because the score popped up on my phone and I wanted to see if he could lead a comeback. I texted my brother to find out why late in the 4th KP was riding the bench.
Oh.
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He jerked off to highlights of John Kruk DHing.
I loled
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I figured no one really wanted to read about me doing the dishes or that there were 2 things recording on the DVR so I couldn't watch anything.
Funny thing is no one really wanted to read about what you were doing before halftime either
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Funny thing is no one really wanted to read about what you were doing before halftime either
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind next time I post whatever the freak I feel like posting.
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Kristaps Porzingis—citizen of Mongo Nation?
The Knicks star hails from Latvia, but he showed he’s become a true New Yorker on Friday.
While appearing on WFAN with Mike Francesa, Porzingis started his interview with a familiar greeting that’s become a standard among fans of New York sports radio.
“Before we start, I want to say one thing: Mike, first time, long time,” Porzingis said.
Goatzingis
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Frustrating loss last night, they had that game.
Nice to see them get in LeBron's face, would have been better if someone covered Korver behind the arc in the 4th quarter. They might not have known this, but he shoots 3s.
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Nice to see them get in LeBron's face.
That made me so happy that Frankie Nickles didn't back down, and then Kanter got his back. This team has a lot to improve on from an execution standpoint, but they seem to have a really good attitude on the court. You see alot of hustle and tenacity out there which goes along way in this game.
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That made me so happy that Frankie Nickles didn't back down, and then Kanter got his back. This team has a lot to improve on from an execution standpoint, but they seem to have a really good attitude on the court. You see alot of hustle and tenacity out there which goes along way in this game.
Agreed. I was one of Melo's last supporters but I think we're better off without him and he's better off where he is.
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Agreed. I was one of Melo's last supporters but I think we're better off without him and he's better off where he is.
I was on the Melo bandwagon until it literally left town. But yeah, clearly this team is better off without him.
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Let’s Go
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Hardaway Jr. was awesome tonight
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Hardaway Jr. was awesome tonight
KP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hardaway Jr. was awesome tonight
I didn't like the 3 early in the shot clock up 6 late, but other than that a really good win.
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the ridiculous way the cavs reacted after beating the knicks says a lot about this knicks team, who were absolutely horrible last year and have had nothing to show for the last few years
i was becoming neutral on lebron but he is back on the excrement list. how can he say that kanter 'always has something to say' when kanter was just responding to his unnecessary, unsolicited comments about one of KANTER's teammates, and about the moves that a different franchise is making? he sounds like a fuggen idiot
then he tries to cover it up by saying his comments were about phil and not about frank as a player. whether they were about phil or not, you're still shitting on frank by saying that the pick should have been dsj....in other words, you're telling frank that dsj is better than him, you fucken idiot. but yeah, try saying you're not saying anything to frank personally or that it wasn't about frank at all
like i mentioned in a previous post, kanter and mcbuckets was a great trade for melo, and i hope melo does well in OKC, i want them to win the title. it surprises me how many people were still on the melo bandwagon even as recent as this past year. i wanted him gone january 2014, and not because of anything against him personally, it was just that even then you could tell this knicks team wasn't going to do anything for years, and melo shouldn't have had to suffer through all of that.
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and lol at lebron saying he is the king of ny. he's only ridden the NY subway once in his life lol, king of ny sure.
he's not even from cleveland
grade A fuckboy
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Yeah, I've had enough of LeBron. I was happy when he left Miami and won a title for Cleveland, but I'm tired of his dumb politics and overall stupidity. Just bounce your ball and shut the f*ck up.
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Yeah, I've had enough of LeBron. I was happy when he left Miami and won a title for Cleveland, but I'm tired of his dumb politics and overall stupidity. Just bounce your ball and shut the f*ck up like a good darkie
MAGA
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THAT 3RD QUARTER THOUGH
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LGK!!
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Knicks up 16 in 4th
Rangers up 5 in 3rd
Big night for MSG
Happy Thanksgiving to all
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I watched the whole game last night.
I think I'm done trying to watch this team this year.
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I watched the whole game last night.
I think I'm done trying to watch this team this year.
It's a little early for that, but last night was uninspiring.
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It's a little early for that, but last night was uninspiring.
Whenever I watch this year they look awful. It's not worth my time to keep watching that, even accidentally.
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Whenever I watch this year they look awful. It's not worth my time to keep watching that, even accidentally.
You have had some bad luck. They are usually at least fun to watch.
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You have had some bad luck. They are usually at least fun to watch.
It's been laughable how bad my luck has been.
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It's been laughable how bad my luck has been.
You're a Jets and Knicks fan, start there.
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You're a Jets and Knicks fan, start there.
I don't know how people who are also Mets fans do it. The Yankees are the only thing that keeps my sanity intact as far as sports.
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I don't know how people who are also Mets fans do it. The Yankees are the only thing that keeps my sanity intact as far as sports.
I'm a Jets/Padres/Knicks fan, also known in some circles as a masochist
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I don't know how people who are also Mets fans do it. The Yankees are the only thing that keeps my sanity intact as far as sports.
I hear you. The Devils were my salvation for years but it's been a while, in my youth it was the Dodgers and they just ended a 29 year World Series drought, only to lose in game 7.
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I'm a Jets/Padres/Knicks fan, also known in some circles as a masochist
We have a winner.
How'd you miss out on the Islanders?
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I'm a Jets/Padres/Knicks fan, also known in some circles as a masochist
There's literally two of you.
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I'm a Jets/Padres/Knicks fan, also known in some circles as a masochist
Yikes! I'm so sorry.
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There's literally two of you.
I am the other.
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I am the other.
That was my point.......
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That was my point.......
JACKASS
I’LL KILL YOU
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I am the other.
Kudos to you. NL West well represented among the Jet fans here.
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(http://i64.tinypic.com/o9jqbs.png)
This is fine.
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That was a close call. Good win too, Kanter was a monster on the offensive glass.
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Holy excrement! I didn't watch last night, but got a text basically saying "Goodbye to the Knicks hopes and dreams." I didn't see it until that picture just now. How in the hell did he walk away with only a sprain?!
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Holy excrement! I didn't watch last night, but got a text basically saying "Goodbye to the Knicks hopes and dreams." I didn't see it until that picture just now. How in the hell did he walk away with only a sprain?!
Youth is basically a superpower.
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Knicks-Lakers was a great game last night, I'm guessing Alio missed it. There was a stretch in the 3rd quarter where they were just trading blows rapid fire, fast breaks, 3s, it was really good basketball. And we got the win in OT, Porzingis with 37.
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Knicks-Lakers was a great game last night, I'm guessing Alio missed it. There was a stretch in the 3rd quarter where they were just trading blows rapid fire, fast breaks, 3s, it was really good basketball. And we got the win in OT, Porzingis with 37.
I was literally 2 blocks from the Garden but missed the game.
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Nice win over OKC and Melo without Porzingus.
Solid at home.
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I become more glad that Melo is not on this team with each passing day.
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I become more glad that Melo is not on this team with each passing day.
I liked him and I'm glad he got a nice little video and reception, but we're better off and he's better off. We just need Porzingus to stay healthy.
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Nice win over Boston with KP ineffective and Hardaway still out.
Crowd was chanting MVP for Michael Beaseley.
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Good win at Dallas last night, Knicks hung on after blowing a 13 point lead.
Nice to see the Mavs retire Derek Harper's number at halftime. He was one of my favorite Knicks in his short time here, we don't make the Finals without him in 1994.
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Porzingis with the bad injury. He is definitely out for a while
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Porzingis with the bad injury. He is definitely out for a while
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180207/f1c21f25d20358d0b6f61407b618356f.jpg)
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RIP
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Torn ACL
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freak
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cursed
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Do we have our lottery pick or did Isiah trade it?
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Do we have our lottery pick or did Isiah trade it?
Yes
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Hernangomez traded to Charlotte in exchange for Johnny O'Bryant (who is on an expiring deal) and two second-round picks. They're also taking calls about O'Quinn and Lee (and trying to get someone to take Noah).
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Hernangomez traded to Charlotte in exchange for Johnny O'Bryant (who is on an expiring deal) and two second-round picks. They're also taking calls about O'Quinn and Lee (and trying to get someone to take Noah).
I'd like to have kept Hermangomez and seen him play more.
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I'd like to have kept Hermangomez and seen him play more.
Just trade everyone, have Dolan sell the team, move them to Missouri or some excrement, and burn down the Garden. Who cares anymore?
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Just trade everyone, have Dolan sell the team, move them to Missouri or some excrement, and burn down the Garden. Who cares anymore?
I just get how it can be so hard to put an NBA team together in New York City. It's not the Jets where you build a line and your defense gets old, then you fix your defense and your QB gets hurt, it's the NBA. You need 3 good guys and we can't seem to do it.
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Denver is trading Emmanuel Mudiay to New York, league sources tell ESPN.
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hornacek to nba "you don't have to worry about the knicks tanking...we just suck naturally"
in the same article he also goes on to say that tanking isn't necessary, that you can find talent like a donovan mitchell at 13 and not tank
why tf would he say that when his own team overlooked mitchell at 8 to draft frank ntilikina, who increasingly looks more and more like he'll never grow out of his pus.sy shell
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How do the Mike d'Antoni haters, of which I recall there were quite a few, feel about him now he's doing amazing things in Houston?
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hornacek to nba "you don't have to worry about the knicks tanking...we just suck naturally"
in the same article he also goes on to say that tanking isn't necessary, that you can find talent like a donovan mitchell at 13 and not tank
why tf would he say that when his own team overlooked mitchell at 8 to draft frank ntilikina, who increasingly looks more and more like he'll never grow out of his pus.sy shell
I have hope for him as young as he is, but he doesn't look like a high lottery pick so far.
How do the Mike d'Antoni haters, of which I recall there were quite a few, feel about him now he's doing amazing things in Houston?
I liked D'Antoni, Woodson too. Never understood the urge to fire a coach who has proven he can win when so many out there can't.
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Knicks beat the Wizards last night.
Anyone??
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Hornacek fired.
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Hire Mark Jackson
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Isola is saying they have interest in Jay Wright. I doubt he leaves, but he reiterated a few times that he’s a “viable candidate”
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jeff van gundy all the way
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Dolan just said Porzingis might miss the entire season
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Dolan just said Porzingis might miss the entire season
Damn, I had heard Christmas. We're still 10 years away from contention anyhow.
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Did they just fold the franchise? Any leads on a coach?
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David Fizdale will be the next NYK head coach
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#FireFiz
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Fizzlies 2.0
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Should have hung on a few days, you could have had Dwane Casey.... no, perhaps best you don't.
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#FireFiz
He'll be gone after a 30-52 season, and it likely won't be his fault.
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9th pick. Stinks.
Is this even a good draft? I know absolutely nothing about the prospects
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9th pick. Stinks.
Is this even a good draft? I know absolutely nothing about the prospects
it's a draft loaded with big men. few decent wing prospects with doncic being the one that'll go highest. i think we'll end up with either one of the Bridges or with Sexton, who I'd like for PG as I don't believe in Frank. As others said in another thread, Frank is never going to be a 'game changer'; he may develop into a nice role player, but for a player chosen at 8, and for a player chosen above donovan mitchell, you'd want a lot more. he's just such a pu$$y and i'm tired of it, i don't even think he has the balls to develop into that solid role player type. i'm afraid he's the mike olowakandi of PGs
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I have very little hope for anyone we take or anything we do.
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Get excited. The Knicks just drafted Kevin Knox.
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Get excited. The Knicks just drafted Kevin Knox.
he is literally the ugliest nigga i have ever seen in my entire life
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That's a shame for Kevin Knox.
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i am absolutely excited about him as a prospect though lol. love the pick and huge upside
the dude is just so ugly. but i don't care as long as he balls out and is a good kid
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https://deadspin.com/james-dolan-lays-groundwork-for-sale-of-knicks-and-rang-1827236645
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If this was a few years ago, I'd be a little worried that he was going to take the money from a sale and spend it to buy the Yankees. Now that the Steinbrenners seem content to run dad's business, Dolan selling the Knicks is the best music to my ears he'll ever make.
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Mario Hezonja is a solid signing for a team looking ahead to 2019.
I'd like to see us sign a few tougher vets like Amir Johnson and Trevor Booker to hold down the fort until Kristaps Porzingis is ready to come back.
Fizdale's team are going to defend hard no matter what and the East is so weak now that just about anything is possible in terms of playoff seeding.
I think we'll see this team tank in 2018, but I'm optimistic that they'll play hard.
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It's time to trade Courtney Lee as well. Just move him for a ham sandwich at this point.
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It's time to trade Courtney Lee as well. Just move him for a ham sandwich at this point.
With our luck the ham sandwich will do his knee and kill our cap.
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we should have tried trading him during the deadline last year, but i agree, C-Lee is a decent player but he needs to go
i still cannot believe that phil gave noah the contract that he did. over the past few years i made long post after long post regarding how much phil jackson sucked as a GM but JFIF would repeatedly tell me to have faith in him. i was absolutely spot on about phil, he was an absolute piece of crap and totally half-assed it during his time here while raking in an insane amount of money
that being said, i honestly don't have as much confidence in Mills/Perry as I did when Perry first got here. I liked some of their initial moves, especially regarding kanter/anthony. I lost some faith at the deadline last year when we traded a young big in Hernangomez a day after KP got injured (he could have gotten all of those free minutes) for absolute peanuts, and then we traded for trash in mudiay.
like i mentioned before, though, really like the knox pick. hezonja is a decent move as well. overall i like signing fiz at the HC
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Knox was great today
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it's just summer league so all of this is still early....but when i watched KP during the summer league a few years ago, i thought 'we got one here'. felt the same watching knox today. at our pick i was between knox and lonnie walker IV, i would have been happy with either pick. walker has looked very good in preseason so far as well, will be interesting to watch this comp throughout the season. i feel both teams will be happy with what they have.
again, early days still, but i really liked what i saw from mitchell robinson. still very raw, but he has the potential to be a tyson chandler-type center. long, athletic, good on the defensive end, can block and bound, and will throw down alley oops and easy dunks when cleaning up down low. he may be the apology pick by mills/perry for giving up hernangomez for nothing, which was unacceptable at the time given that everyone knew that our center situation after last year could be just kanter (who we could have lost too) being backed up only by an unproven dude like kornet as KO could very well walk after the year, which is exactly what happened.
frank ntilikina looks bad. he's VERY special on the defensive end guarding 1s and 2s, and that'll always be the case.....but he has no offensive game/confidence whatsoever. he's a 2nd year player in the summer league and he had so many stupid turnovers today, it's absolutely unacceptable for a player like him. his offensive game is not at the nba level. if there is a guy that can get the most out of him, it's fizdale, as early reports are that fiz is already on his case regarding how much of a pus.sy he is on the offensive end. that being said, a player like him right now is a miss in the top 10, and the fact that we chose frank over donovan mitchell when we liked donovan throughout the entire draft process is one of the worst moves of all time on our end. the only retribution we can have after drafting frank is if we're actually able to bring kyrie in next year, and then frank can be a solid defensive bench piece, but still a miss in the top 10. i wonder if that was a last 'freak you' to the franchise from phil, as he half assed it from the beginning
one year from now, with a healthy KP, knox, kanter, potentially another top 10 draft pick, potentially kanter, and potentially 1 big name free agent, there may be a team there that could make some serious noise in a lebron-less eastern conference. the team is coming close
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it's just summer league so all of this is still early....but when i watched KP during the summer league a few years ago, i thought 'we got one here'. felt the same watching knox today. at our pick i was between knox and lonnie walker IV, i would have been happy with either pick. walker has looked very good in preseason so far as well, will be interesting to watch this comp throughout the season. i feel both teams will be happy with what they have.
again, early days still, but i really liked what i saw from mitchell robinson. still very raw, but he has the potential to be a tyson chandler-type center. long, athletic, good on the defensive end, can block and bound, and will throw down alley oops and easy dunks when cleaning up down low. he may be the apology pick by mills/perry for giving up hernangomez for nothing, which was unacceptable at the time given that everyone knew that our center situation after last year could be just kanter (who we could have lost too) being backed up only by an unproven dude like kornet as KO could very well walk after the year, which is exactly what happened.
frank ntilikina looks bad. he's VERY special on the defensive end guarding 1s and 2s, and that'll always be the case.....but he has no offensive game/confidence whatsoever. he's a 2nd year player in the summer league and he had so many stupid turnovers today, it's absolutely unacceptable for a player like him. his offensive game is not at the nba level. if there is a guy that can get the most out of him, it's fizdale, as early reports are that fiz is already on his case regarding how much of a pus.sy he is on the offensive end. that being said, a player like him right now is a miss in the top 10, and the fact that we chose frank over donovan mitchell when we liked donovan throughout the entire draft process is one of the worst moves of all time on our end. the only retribution we can have after drafting frank is if we're actually able to bring kyrie in next year, and then frank can be a solid defensive bench piece, but still a miss in the top 10. i wonder if that was a last 'freak you' to the franchise from phil, as he half assed it from the beginning
one year from now, with a healthy KP, knox, kanter, potentially another top 10 draft pick, potentially kanter, and potentially 1 big name free agent, there may be a team there that could make some serious noise in a lebron-less eastern conference. the team is coming close
Agree with you. The Vegas summer league has become one of my favorite weeks of the year, we actually have a chance in these games and we're not 30 games out of contention. Knox looks really good, his first step to the hoop is amazing.
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I know it's only three summer league games but Kevin Knox looks legit.
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I know it's only three summer league games but Kevin Knox looks legit.
Mitchell Robinson looks pretty good too.
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Mitchell Robinson looks pretty good too.
Robinson was incredible today.
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Robinson was incredible today.
He's incredibly raw, And I know it's summer league but averaging a double double with 4 blocks is impressive for a 19 year old who took a year off. Think about it, he's never had harder competition than high school and he hasn't had any real training.
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Jimmy Butler has requested a trade from the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources tell me and @JonKrawczynski. Butler has given Minnesota a list of one-to-three teams with whom he's open to signing extension, in anticipation of trade.
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Nets, Clippers, Knicks are preferred teams
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Hoping we stay in the hunt for an 8 seed until Thanksgiving.
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Knicks set a franchise record with 49 points in the second quarter.
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https://twitter.com/nyknicks/status/1052725229972332544
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Who is Allonzo Trier and where did THAT come from?
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Who is Allonzo Trier and where did THAT come from?
I recognized the name so I did some googling. I remember him being wrapped up in a PED suspension while he was at ASU. He was one of their best players so I heard his name a lot around tournament time and speculation if he would be eligible. I wonder if that’s the reason he went undrafted.
Between Knox, Mitchell Robinson, and Allonzo Trier, the Knicks finally added some promising young talent this offseason.
Trey Burke looks like he may continue to improve. If they can get Frank to show some signs...
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Forgot about Hezonja
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Who is Allonzo Trier and where did THAT come from?
he did pretty well during the preseason/summer league
he already has more balls than frank
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Knicks over Warriors in 6
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Knicks over Warriors in 6
These are the takes I’m here for
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Finally got a chance to watch this, impressive. Hope nobody tells these new guys they are the Knicks.
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So our pattern seems to be intact:
1-Some close losses early to good teams, makes you think we could be good eventually
2-Drop to 8-10 games under 500 so the 8 seed starts falling out of reach by the holidays
3-Make a mild run to almost sniff the 8 seed
4-Have a 1-5 west coast trip to end any playoff hope by January
5-Someone important gets hurt, we pack it in and wait for the lottery
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So our pattern seems to be intact:
1-Some close losses early to good teams, makes you think we could be good eventually
2-Drop to 8-10 games under 500 so the 8 seed starts falling out of reach by the holidays
3-Make a mild run to almost sniff the 8 seed
4-Have a 1-5 west coast trip to end any playoff hope by January
5-Someone important gets hurt, we pack it in and wait for the lottery
Consistency is the key to success.
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Fizdale looks like he's wearing 3D glasses with the lenses poked out.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dq4BvP1XgAEmcYD.jpg)
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Good game last night but a tough loss in double OT. These young guys are fun to watch but unfortunately following the usual season pattern and will be out of contention by Thanksgiving.
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Down 20 after 1st quarter and wearing their Halloween costumes.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/knickfilmschool/status/1061824159796420611
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So our pattern seems to be intact:
1-Some close losses early to good teams, makes you think we could be good eventually
2-Drop to 8-10 games under 500 so the 8 seed starts falling out of reach by the holidays
3-Make a mild run to almost sniff the 8 seed
4-Have a 1-5 west coast trip to end any playoff hope by January
5-Someone important gets hurt, we pack it in and wait for the lottery
Currently 4-10, sticking to the format.
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Kemba Walker is a free agent after this season. Bring Kemba home.
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Fuckin love Kemba Walker come to daddy
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Maybe start Kanter? We seem to do well after spotting the other team 20 points.
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Good win over New Orleans Friday. Glad Davis is ok too, especially since we don't play them again.
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3 in a row bro.
Won one for Fiz, it was electric.
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3 in a row bro.
Won one for Fiz, it was electric.
fiz has this team playing well but this will be a lost season regardless. have a feeling that we will start to lose pretty badly throughout, as has been the case after some decent starts the last several years, which is okay if it helps us get a generational talent like zion
KP is going to come back at some point, kanter is balling, mitchell looks like a talent (but getting into some foul trouble, holding him back), mudiay is making strides, burke is playing well and at the least will be a decent trade piece if we sign one of the FA PGs, THJ took a huge step up this year, knox hasn't even scratched the surface yet, and we'll have some cap room this offseason. the knicks have the makings of a good team in a lebron-less east. i'm even positive about frank now, who i think will not amount to much as an offensive talent, which sucks, but he is proving to be a special defender at multiple positions. he's going to have a role on this team
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fiz has this team playing well but this will be a lost season regardless. have a feeling that we will start to lose pretty badly throughout, as has been the case after some decent starts the last several years, which is okay if it helps us get a generational talent like zion
KP is going to come back at some point, kanter is balling, mitchell looks like a talent (but getting into some foul trouble, holding him back), mudiay is making strides, burke is playing well and at the least will be a decent trade piece if we sign one of the FA PGs, THJ took a huge step up this year, knox hasn't even scratched the surface yet, and we'll have some cap room this offseason. the knicks have the makings of a good team in a lebron-less east. i'm even positive about frank now, who i think will not amount to much as an offensive talent, which sucks, but he is proving to be a special defender at multiple positions. he's going to have a role on this team
Well said. They are fun to watch, which is a step up from the past few years, regardless of the record.
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Clyde Frazier remains a treat to listen to.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25533778/joakim-noah-memphis-grizzlies-implies-partying-part-problem-new-york-knicks (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25533778/joakim-noah-memphis-grizzlies-implies-partying-part-problem-new-york-knicks)
It's nobody's fault. I was just too fucked up to play bro. There's no one to blame here.
Punk derriere bitch.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25533778/joakim-noah-memphis-grizzlies-implies-partying-part-problem-new-york-knicks (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25533778/joakim-noah-memphis-grizzlies-implies-partying-part-problem-new-york-knicks)
It's nobody's fault. I was just too fucked up to play bro. There's no one to blame here.
Punk derriere bitch.
lolwut
"I could look back on it and say I thought I was ready for New York City, and I wasn't."
lover of the older lady you're from New York. How can you not be ready for it?
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He should return the money he stole
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freak him. I play in a bullshit league and even I know to wait until after the games to get high.
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Free Ron Baker
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Nice comeback at Charlotte. I like this team.
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So we're 9-29. Combined with the Jets that's 13-41.
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So we're 9-29. Combined with the Jets that's 13-41.
Zion Williamson will change this
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So we're 9-29. Combined with the Jets that's 13-41.
You've still got the best jerseys in the NBA. That's something, right?
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Zion Williamson will change this
Let's hope. It's been 34 years since the last "frozen envelope", it's time.
You've still got the best jerseys in the NBA. That's something, right?
Yes, when you look at the excrement some of these teams wear. I give all my teams props for uniforms, hoping the Jets don't really freak theirs up.
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Nice comeback at Charlotte. I like this team.
For the record, I still like the way the team battles and plays most games. Add a lottery pick, Porzingus and some experience for some of these guys and I can see an 8 seed in our future.
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Yes, when you look at the excrement some of these teams wear. I give all my teams props for uniforms, hoping the Jets don't really freak theirs up.
Did you see the neon pink Miami Vice jerseys that the Heat have this season? It is the worst uniform in all professional sport, IMO.
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Did you see the neon pink Miami Vice jerseys that the Heat have this season? It is the worst uniform in all professional sport, IMO.
I love those
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Did you see the neon pink Miami Vice jerseys that the Heat have this season? It is the worst uniform in all professional sport, IMO.
I did see that. The NBA has gone off the hook with jersey marketing, they have so many games to work with.
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A win! 10-29 just looks better cosmetically than 9-30.
I don’t get to chant Beat LA very often.
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the lakers are derriere. outside of bron, kuzma, and rondo, i hate their roster. they have other players who have talent/potential, but i don't see them putting it all together. brandon ingram looks and plays like derriere. same thing with lonzo. he also takes an L for being named 'lonzo'. they give heavy minutes to javale mcgee lol.
if what lebron really wanted was a team with a lot of young talent that he could work with/mold as he tries to overtake the warriors, the knicks would have been a better fit. it sounds like he was really considering us too by his comments with wade after their last game against each other. he was fucked up for even saying that out loud.
i'm really interested in seeing what happens with us this offseason. i actually feel we have a good shot at either one of kyrie or KD.
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i'm really interested in seeing what happens with us this offseason. i actually feel we have a good shot at either one of kyrie or KD.
I would love to see that. It's baffled me or years why we can't a few top guys in their prime to come to New York and play at the Garden. I get the appeal of Boston, LA, Miami, but how do the Knicks never at least get someone? It's time.
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I would love to see that. It's baffled me or years why we can't a few top guys in their prime to come to New York and play at the Garden. I get the appeal of Boston, LA, Miami, but how do the Knicks never at least get someone? It's time.
James. Dolan.
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James. Dolan.
he's becoming more hands off with the team, which is a good thing. it seems this is a planned process on his part to phase himself out of things and let knick management do their thing. there were reports that he was even open to selling the team, which would be awesome, but i don't buy those stories at all.
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he's becoming more hands off with the team, which is a good thing. it seems this is a planned process on his part to phase himself out of things and let knick management do their thing. there were reports that he was even open to selling the team, which would be awesome, but i don't buy those stories at all.
Yeah, he's unlikable to say the least, but he doesn't seem like such a presence that players wouldn't come here. Ex-players maybe, he's still lucky Oakley didn't freak him up on national TV.
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Yeah, he's unlikable to say the least, but he doesn't seem like such a presence that players wouldn't come here. Ex-players maybe, he's still lucky Oakley didn't freak him up on national TV.
that was an embarrassing night for the knicks franchise, and the continued shunning of oakley post-incident is another huge embarrassment in and of itself.
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that was an embarrassing night for the knicks franchise, and the continued shunning of oakley post-incident is another huge embarrassment in and of itself.
It's terrible and petty. Oak was a big part of our 90s success and we haven't had much (any) since.
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Deny, deny, deny all you want, as long as he owns the club, there’s a black cloud over the organization and you know it. The players obviously notice. One of the first people to stick up for Oakley was LeBron.
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Deny, deny, deny all you want, as long as he owns the club, there’s a black cloud over the organization and you know it. The players obviously notice. One of the first people to stick up for Oakley was LeBron.
Cleveland connection there.
Also, does the cloud have to be black? Maybe it's a white, Eastern European cloud.
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Cleveland connection there.
Also, does the cloud have to be black? Maybe it's a white, Eastern European cloud.
James. Dolan.
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/16/enes-kanter-turkey-arrest-warrant-nba-recep-tayyip-erdogan
reminds me of the b.s slander piece Oday Aboushi had to put up with
Tayyip Erdoğan's a Saudi prince in a business suit - not a guy you want to get in the crosshairs of
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as long as kanter is in a knick uniform we have to do what we can to protect him from erdogan's excrement
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who do you guys want out of the draft?
i've been thinking about this a lot. it seems we all know who is going to be the first overall pick and this will be the draft of zion, and deservedly so. this may sound crazy, but i almost hope the knicks don't end up with the 1st overall pick, as i'd rather have either barrett or reddish.
hear me out, this is NOTHING against the type of prospect zion is. he is amazing. the size/speed/strength/agility he possesses is like nothing i have seen before. then factor in his ability to handle the ball and the ease with which he can drive and penetrate to the rim, his dunking/finishing ability, his propensity to share the ball/passing, his defense, his non-stop motor, and his marketability. some team is going to get a very, very exciting player in zion.
my biggest reservations about him are his shooting. he is a very good FT shooter and that is not an issue whatsoever. however, his actual shooting form is sort of....ugly. when you watch him play, it seems like he avoids taking jump shots more than anything. i'm not sure how much that will change in the NBA because of his form. he has shown the ability to make the odd, set, wide open 3 but nothing more beyond that. he hasn't displayed a mid range J, he hasn't displayed the ability to create jump shots for himself, shoot off the dribble, step back and shoot, etc.
when i think of the stars of today's game, i think of players that can do all of the above. penetrate, finish around the rim in multiple ways, hit open shots, hit contested jumpers, hit jumpers off the dribble, move/create space for themselves and shoot, etc. KD, LeBron, Harden, Steph. Those are all guys that can do that. they aren't available every year for obvious reason, but if you have a top 3 pick, i think it's those sorts of players with franchise-changing ability that you should strive to obtain.
i still think zion will be doing a lot of what he does now in the nba, but the players are going to be bigger, faster, better. if they're not going to respect his shooting at all, how successful will he be trying to do mainly the same thing over and over again?
regardless of all of that right now, i'm not quite sure where he'd fit for us yet. he has the skillset of a 4 and is big/thick, but height wise will be shorter than most 4s in the league. he'll still hold his own. there will be times when KP will play the 5 during games/different lineups and rotations, but this will not be his main position, and rightly so, as predominantly playing 5 will affect his health and longevity moreso than it would at the 4. we are set at the 4 with KP. Knox is showing us a lot at the 3. Now throw in KD into the mix, which would be awesome for us. He'd predominantly play the 3 (but will move out to 4 at times), with KP at the 4 (moving to 5 at times). If we wanted to force it, we could play knox at 2, but he'll likely be on the bench. there is sort of a logjam here in this scenario already without factoring in zion, who'd likely be relegated to the bench as well at least during his rookie season, which is okay. it's honestly not a bad problem to have, but i don't know how long either knox or zion, who'd both deserve to be starting, would be happy with their roles.
the above scenario would be made simpler if we didn't end up with KD, and only had knox and zion to worry about at those positions. one would still have to ride the bench, but it would be a more feasible rotation. but we all know that KD is gold, and we want KD.
i look at RJ Barrett and I almost think this is the guy that should be going number 1 overall. He'd be able to play at either the 2 or 3 very easily, which I think would work out better for us (same with reddish). It'd be very easy to slot THJ over as the 1st option off the bench after a while. when I look at RJ, I see a player with good size/length and athleticism, who similar to zion is very comfortable with handling the ball. RJ gets a lot of excrement for taking a lot of shots but he has shown the ability to pass and assist his teammates as well. in this sense he almost reminds me of scottie pippen, although his wingspan isn't as long nor is he the defensive monster that pippen was. but this is a guy that can handle the ball and penetrate well, finish in multiple ways around the hoop with either hand, can throw it down/dunk very well, has good shooting form and can hit mid-range Js with ease, makes 3s with ease, can shoot and create shots for himself off the dribble, can spot up and hit J's/3s, and has also shown that he has a decent step-back J. Offensively I just think he has a lot more versatility than does Zion, and I think RJ would be an easier fit for our team as well. PG(Frank?)-RJ-KD-KP-Center(Mitch?), and we can run an RJ-Knox-KD-KP 2-5 rotation at times too, which looks very good on paper.
i really think people are sleeping on Cam. he gets the least burn out of the 3 because both RJ and Zion are so ball-dominant in terms of their gameplay right now, but I think he'll be this draft's version of Devin Booker in terms of breaking out in the NBA after being somewhat of an afterthought on a stacked kentucky team. after zion went down at FSU the other day cam showed us exactly the type of player he could be. he's the best shooter out of the 3, can hit mid-range Js and 3s with ease, has also shown that he can hit off the dribble, is actually the tallest out of the 3 with the longest wingspan giving him at least some decent defensive potential/room for improvement, and (what I think is the least known thing about him) has also shown the ability to drive/penetrate to the rim when he wants to, with the ability to finish strongly/acrobatically at the rim. he's just had so little opportunity to display this last trait, but he's shown it, and I think he's going to prove to be a very versatile scorer in the NBA as well, with the ability to score in multiple ways.
i know there's a lot here, but those are just my thoughts. i think we should be very aggressive in trying to sign kyrie before anybody else as we actually have a glaring hole at starting PG for next year (i love Frank but this still is not him yet), but in actuality know that the main priority will be KD, like it will be for every other team. I will not have any complaints whatsoever if we end up with the 1st pick and end up with zion, but if we don't, either RJ or Cam would be very nice consolation prizes. this is all moot at this point as there is still such a long time to go between now and the draft/FA, but it's nice to think about. we're going to have some nice young pieces on the team already, a lot of cap room, and may well have a top 3 pick drafted to attract FAs before the FA period even begins.
knowing the knicks' luck and the nba's recent trend of screwing us during the draft lottery, i wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with the 7th pick (which I believe is the lowest a team could draft if they are one of the worst 4 teams record-wise in the league), which would make all of this kind of moot.
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^^holy excrement!
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I'm thinking a top 3 pick, get Porzingus back and sign a guy or two, we could be good next year.
I like Fizdale and the way he works with these young guys, it's a shame his record is taking such a hit for it. He's going to need a couple 55 win seasons just to get back to even.
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^^holy excrement!
while typing that post i did not think it was as long as it was, and then after posting/seeing it, i had the same reaction that you did lol.
just walls of text that nobody's going to want to read
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I skimmed it. Glad somebody besides me cares about the Knicks.
Going to the game Monday, it's my birthday.
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Kristaps Porzingis left the Knicks with the impression that he prefers to be traded, league sources tell @ramonashelburne and me. Knicks are expected to commence discussions on moving him ahead of next Thursday's deadline.
Woj
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Dallas is finalizing a deal to land Kristaps Porzingis, league sources tell ESPN.
That escalated quickly
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Can we interest you in a slightly used Serge Ibaka, a good quality but overpaid Norm Powell, and your choice of point guards not called Lowry?
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The Knicks organization is straight trash.
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if we trade KP in a trash deal like this im literally not going to be a knicks fan anymore
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if we trade KP in a trash deal like this im literally not going to be a knicks fan anymore
same. It's pretty much happened, so I'm now done. Go freak yourself with a guitar, Dolan
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you don't trade KP to free up max slot money
especially when there is no fvcking guarantee that those FAs will even come here despite the fact that you have space for them
im done
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The only way I’m staying on board is if we get Zion.
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you don't trade KP to free up max slot money
especially when there is no fvcking guarantee that those FAs will even come here despite the fact that you have space for them
im done
I was just telling my brother he's got Stockholm Syndrome. He thinks this is a good deal because KP didn't want to be here, so now they can go and get KD and Kyrie. I'm like "Why would any players want to come here?"
This whole idea that The Garden is some irresistible lure should've been thrown out right after "The Decision." Players just come here to collect some checks and die.
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if we trade KP in a trash deal like this im literally not going to be a knicks fan anymore
Come to Brooklyn babby
Young playoff-bound team, non-villainous ownership, fans that aren't completely miserable all the time, tickets that don't cost $100 to sit behind a pillar...
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The only way I’m staying on board is if we get Zion.
this deal makes us better this year
we could still luck into the first pick because of the new lottery system, but this deal was not made with the thought of furthering the tank and securing the best odds to get the first pick this year
i am at a loss right now. i had huge question marks about perry when he traded hernangomez at his lowest value and then traded for trash in mudiay at the deadline last year, but then sort of turned back a bit when he turned one of those picks into mitch and when fizdale made mudiay a somewhat serviceable player (who still needs to go).
back on the 'huge question marks with perry's timing/thought processes/decision making' bandwagon
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Come to Brooklyn babby
Young playoff-bound team, non-villainous ownership, fans that aren't completely miserable all the time, tickets that don't cost $100 to sit behind a pillar...
this is coming from a fan who had no ill will towards brooklyn, and has liked the moves they made, likes their young players, and likes the direction they are going in. i could never become a nets fan. why is your court so dark? all that money spent on a new arena and they couldn't even get the lighting right.
that being said, i hope you guys sign one of the max FAs this year to rub it into knicks ownership/mgmt faces. this move is the epitome of jumping the gun, getting fleeced, whoring your best asset for dreams/wishes of star players at best. whatever you want to call it
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this is coming from a fan who had no ill will towards brooklyn, and has liked the moves they made, likes their young players, and likes the direction they are going in. i could never become a nets fan. why is your court so dark? all that money spent on a new arena and they couldn't even get the lighting right.
that being said, i hope you guys sign one of the max FAs this year to rub it into knicks ownership/mgmt faces. this move is the epitome of jumping the gun, getting fleeced, whoring your best asset for dreams/wishes of star players at best. whatever you want to call it
The court seems fine to me, the stands were a little dark IIRC.
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Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) January 31, 2019
New York has agreed with Dallas on trade that includes Kristaps Porzingis, Courtney Lee, Tim Hardaway Jr., for Wesley Matthews, Dennis Smith Jr. and DeAndre Jordan, league sources tell ESPN. Players and agents are being notified of particulars. Deal may include more draft assets.
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Wow. This is exactly why I don’t care about this team anymore.
What a bunch of fucktards.
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Knicks get 2 future 1sts in the KP trade
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Knicks get 2 future 1sts in the KP trade
the mavs owe a first round pick to the hawks for doncic, and that pick has protections. the details still aren't out but the only way the knicks could get that pick this year is if they remove the protections and it's one of the 1-5 picks. the mavs sit at like 10th or 11th right now. so they owe us a pick and the hawks a pick, and we don't know when either is going to happen.
even if it happens this year, by rule a team can't trade their 1st round pick two years in a row, so the other team would have to wait 2 years until the mavs pick gets traded, and then another 2 years after that. what we could be looking at is getting the mavs pick 2 years from now, and then 4 years from now, or getting the pick this year, and then 4 years from now.
these 1st rounders are going to be years apart and we don't even know if it'll be the mavs' first this year.
this trade just sucks
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this deal makes us better this year
we could still luck into the first pick because of the new lottery system, but this deal was not made with the thought of furthering the tank and securing the best odds to get the first pick this year
i am at a loss right now. i had huge question marks about perry when he traded hernangomez at his lowest value and then traded for trash in mudiay at the deadline last year, but then sort of turned back a bit when he turned one of those picks into mitch and when fizdale made mudiay a somewhat serviceable player (who still needs to go).
back on the 'huge question marks with perry's timing/thought processes/decision making' bandwagon
It doesn’t make the team better if/when Matthews and Jordan are waived
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It doesn’t make the team better if/when Matthews and Jordan are waived
this was the part that i was not aware of until after the trade was done, and if we do end up waiving them, it wouldn't make us better.
but i still wouldn't have made this trade just to free us of lee or THJ
all we had to do this year was tank for zion, that's it. we may not have had KD money (38 mil / year) without getting rid of 1 of lee or THJ, but if i remember correctly, we still had room under the cap to sign kyrie or somebody at his level (32 mil / year). all we had to do was find a way to try to get rid of one of them, and we totally could have used vonleh as an attractive piece to do so
knicks management spent the entire year saying they wouldn't attach an asset just to get rid of THJ or Lee's contract, and then they go ahead and trade KP to do just that.
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I'm disgusted beyond words. freak this team.
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I saw that KP was traded and figured we landed Anthony Davis. When I saw the actual trade I think I had to re-read it three times. What the freak
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This is a horrible trade. Arguably one of the worst in NBA history.
Even if we do end up with Zion, why would Kevin Durant want to come to New York with no other help?
They've opened up spots for two max players, but who in the hell are they going to sign?
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Haha Haha Haha
The two “1st round” picks are in ‘21 and ‘23 and are BOTH lottery protected. Correction: the 2021 is not protected. Still, how bad can the Mavs actually be?
The black cloud of Jimmy Dolan hangs over this franchise. No one can tell me otherwise. What elite FA is gonna want to play for this clown franchise. The entire NBA is having a laugh (again) at the Knicks.
The Knicks also have one of the most glorious buildings in the league in a city EVERYONE knows their fans cannot wait to root for a winner. It’s really freaking sad actually.
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Haha Haha Haha
The two “1st round” picks are in ‘21 and ‘23 and are BOTH lottery protected.
The black cloud of Jimmy Dolan hangs over this franchise. No one can tell me otherwise. What elite FA is gonna want to play for this clown franchise. The entire NBA is having a laugh (again) at the Knicks.
The Knicks also have one of the most glorious buildings in the league in a city EVERYONE knows their fans cannot wait to root for a winner. It’s really freaking sad actually.
the 21 pick is apparently unprotected, but it honestly doesn't make the deal any better
just a bad, bad, bad, bad deal
we were actually doing it right for once until today
mills is a cancer to this franchise. perry is a blubbering idiot
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it's a double or nothing deal. if we get one FA like KD, we will get another. but, as was fvcking realized and mentioned by everybody except the knick FO the second we got word of this deal, what FA is going to want to come to a crap team?
bron chose LA because it's LA, they had cap space, and they had a young core. Kyrie agreed to boston because of their history/winning/coach/young core. PG stayed in OKC because of the winning/fanbase/coach/superstar next to him in Westbrook, a fellow LA native.
We had a young core PLUS a returning star we drafted, developed, and LOVED ourselves. we're going to boast the worst record in the league. our young core isn't enough to turn heads. Knox looks good. Frank is an LOL. Mitch literally cannot go 15 minutes without fouling out.
we had everything set up but we fvcked it up. we are going to whiff so badly
i can't wait until we use our cap space on scary terry and tobias harris. LMAO
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the 21 pick is apparently unprotected, but it honestly doesn't make the deal any better
just a bad, bad, bad, bad deal
we were actually doing it right for once until today
mills is a cancer to this franchise. perry is a blubbering idiot
Yeah I edited my post. Again, why would Durant or Irving (or anyone, really) leave winning organizations to join this dumpster fire of a franchise run by a trust fund, spoiled brat, horrible, human being. I don’t blame anyone but him. Mills will pee him off (just like KP did) one day and the spoiled brat will can him too. Wait til he hires Isaiah back.
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Yeah I edited my post. Again, why would Durant or Irving (or anyone, really) leave winning organizations to join this dumpster fire of a franchise run by a trust fund, spoiled brat, horrible, human being. I don’t blame anyone but him. Mills will pee him off (just like KP did) one day and the spoiled brat will can him too. Wait til he hires Isaiah back.
for all intents and purposes isiah is still here. Mills was his righthand man when he took this franchise down the drain, and is still here, without any sort of accountability or culpability. he's still here because dolan loves him.
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none of our young core including DSJ who we just traded our cornerstone for are participating in the rising stars challenge LMAO
we drafted and made KP, a one of a kind talent. he should have played through his best years here. we traded him and in return got no actual, solid, tangible value in return. just the hopes and dreams of 'cap space' that won't amount to anything because we're a bad team, with a bad record, with a bad owner and FO. all of the stars in the league are either laughing at us or scratching their heads at us tonight. why would they come here?
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This is a true story.
For years, as many of you know, I worked in Penn Station. 2 decades nearly. I had so many MSG/Radio City Music Hall customers. One of them told me a story about how he, Dolan and another guy got together and discussed work stuff in passing. While they were talking, an intern walked by and, I guess, looked Dolan in the face as he was walking by. Dolan asks my customer and his co-worker, “who was that?” One of them answered his question and Dolan responds by saying he wanted the intern fired and off the premises within an hour.
I had heard various shitty things about him, but hearing that was the clincher. No one, and I repeat, NO ONE, has ever uttered a good word about him. Maybe his fellow rich folk or his other trust fund friends speak highly of him, I don’t know, but everyone talks about how much of a sweetheart Chuck Dolan was, a man amongst men supposedly while this spoiled brat ruins everything he touches, that his old man built.
Until this guy sells the team or drops dead....you’re looking at a Mickey Mouse organization run by a man who, simply, doesn’t know how to treat people.
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for all intents and purposes isiah is still here. Mills was his righthand man when he took this franchise down the drain, and is still here, without any sort of accountability or culpability. he's still here because dolan loves him.
Until one Day he won’t. It happens with anyone who crosses his path.
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if dallas ends up with a top 5 pick, then ATL won't get the pick this year, and we'll have to wait an extra year. ATL would get the 2020 pick, then we'd get the 2022 lol, and 2024 picks (protected 1-10 LOL).
dallas was able to parlay a player they publicly did not want and wanted to move (DSJ) into porzingis. they already have doncic. knowing how things work in the NBA and with the knicks, they'll get fixed a top 5 pick and will have the next mega team with KP-Doncic-Top 5
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This is a true story.
For years, as many of you know, I worked in Penn Station. 2 decades nearly. I had so many MSG/Radio City Music Hall customers. One of them told me a story about how he, Dolan and another guy got together and discussed work stuff in passing. While they were talking, an intern walked by and, I guess, looked Dolan in the face as he was walking by. Dolan asks my customer and his co-worker, “who was that?” One of them answered his question and Dolan responds by saying he wanted the intern fired and off the premises within an hour.
I had heard various shitty things about him, but hearing that was the clincher. No one, and I repeat, NO ONE, has ever uttered a good word about him. Maybe his fellow rich folk or his other trust fund friends speak highly of him, I don’t know, but everyone talks about how much of a sweetheart Chuck Dolan was, a man amongst men supposedly while this spoiled brat ruins everything he touches, that his old man built.
Until this guy sells the team or drops dead....you’re looking at a Mickey Mouse organization run by a man who, simply, doesn’t know how to treat people.
I want this story on a fresh page so everyone fully understands what you’re dealing with here.
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i still cannot get over this
the knicks are taking a massive, unnecessary gamble on chance right now. we are NOT guaranteed the top pick, zion, or RJ. irrespective of the presence of cap space, we are NOT guaranteed any of the NBA's stars coming to NYC. this trade does not help/increase our odds at a top pick. we haven't gotten anything.
the only real, tangible thing we had was kp, and we traded him for nothing but that 'chance' at free agents, with the likeliest possibility being that none of the top stars come to us, so he's literally gone/sacrificed for nothing. that's horrible logic/business/management. why did we do this? all of the top players in the nba are clowning the knicks right now. they don't forget this stuff. who'd honestly come here?
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Lol Knicks
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Lol Knicks
As a Sens fan I don't feel that I can join in with this sentiment, I can only sympathise. And they've lived this misery way longer than I have, I at least have significant playoff runs in recent memory.
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As a Sens fan I don't feel that I can join in with this sentiment, I can only sympathise. And they've lived this misery way longer than I have, I at least have significant playoff runs in recent memory.
If the Knicks were a tv show...they would be Young Sheldon
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Makes you wonder if Dolan was in that meeting with Porzingis and left demanding KP is traded ASAP so they took whatever offer they could get
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Makes you wonder if Dolan was in that meeting with Porzingis and left demanding KP is traded ASAP so they took whatever offer they could get
They've been shopping KP. The stuff about the meeting today just reeks of the Knicks trying to blame KP for all of this.
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Dolan and them have been pissed at him ever since the exit interview no-show. All corporate with that fat freak.
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NBA teams with the most projected cap room in free agency this summer:
1. Knicks: $71 million
2. Kings: $45 million
3. Pacers: $43 million
4. Hawks: $42 million
5. Bulls: $37 million
6. Lakers: $35 million
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awesome. 'Cap Space' is our new franchise player
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NBA teams with the most projected cap room in free agency this summer:
1. Knicks: $71 million
2. Kings: $45 million
3. Pacers: $43 million
4. Hawks: $42 million
5. Bulls: $37 million
6. Lakers: $35 million
NBA teams that are least desirable to play for when free agency comes around this summer:
1. Knicks
2. Kings
3. Pacers
4. Hawks
5. Bulls
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NBA teams that are least desirable to play for when free agency comes around this summer:
1. Knicks
2. Kings
3. Pacers
4. Hawks
5. Bulls
Kings? Have you been watching the NBA this season? lol
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NBA teams that are least desirable to play for when free agency comes around this summer:
1. Knicks
2. Kings
3. Pacers
4. Hawks
5. Bulls
6. Raptors, because no matter how good our team is we still can't attract free agents
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Kings? Have you been watching the NBA this season? lol
Have you been watching the NBA for the past 30 years no free agent wants to go to Sacremento.
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Does Mike Bibby still play there? White Chocolate?
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I've been out of the country, I miss anything?
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NBA teams that are least desirable to play for when free agency comes around this summer:
1. Knicks
2. Kings
3. Pacers
4. Hawks
5. Bulls
Can't have people refusing to take Jerry's money when Jerry doesn't plan on offering it anyway! Or he could just send a fat, out of sorts Jerry Krause and Benny the Bull as his recruiting pitch to meet the most attractive free agent on the market like they did T-Mac way back when.
For what its worth, as a somewhat objective observer, I think KD to the Knicks is almost a foregone conclusion at this point.
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Getting my head around this trade. As Knicks fans we're emotionally invested in KP becoming a star because he's all we have and has shown flashes. But we're four years in with him, he's missed a lot of time and has never played in a meaningful game. We don't know when he'd be back or how good or durable he'll be whenever that is.
In my opinion keeping him as part of the future and committing money to him for another 4-5 years is just as risky as opening money for two max free agents. Not to say they can't or won't freak it up but it's not like we've messed up any kind of winning formula.
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I placed my first bet on Bovada in like 10 years against the Knicks tonight. Hahahahahaha
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I placed my first bet on Bovada in like 10 years against the Knicks tonight. Hahahahahaha
When we finally got the win and the buzzer sounded, I had the same feeling as when I hear "and that is another Jets.......FIRST DOWN!"
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Nice win. freak Pop.
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I bet against the Knicks again. I should probably stop
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I bet against the Knicks again. I should probably stop
Please bet against them winning the draft lottery in a few months
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Smith and Robinson are really connecting on the pick and roll and the lobs. Hoping they don't get too good before we can secure our lottery ball.
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Knicks will be drafting 6th once the lottery is over
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Got ourselves a little winning streak.
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Knicks will be drafting 6th once the lottery is over
1 minute after the pick: "fuuuuuuck"
30 min after the pick: "actually it was a really smart move and here's why-"
1 year later: "GOAT"
3 years later after he's traded at the deadline: "good riddance scrub"
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1 minute after the pick: "fuuuuuuck"
30 min after the pick: "actually it was a really smart move and here's why-"
1 year later: "GOAT"
3 years later after he's traded at the deadline: "good riddance scrub"
It's all coming down to the lottery this year. That does make it a bit nicer, you don't cringe every time we manage a win like we do with the Jets.
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Robinson is blocking and altering shots all over the place. He's been a different player since Jordan got here.
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Robinson is blocking and altering shots all over the place. He's been a different player since Jordan got here.
the jordan effect has been overblown. he was actually playing well before jordan got here. his biggest issue was dumb fouls that limited his playing time and therefore the effect he can have on a game, which he already started to improve on before jordan arrived.
the only reason why jordan is still here is to try and appease durant
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the jordan effect has been overblown. he was actually playing well before jordan got here. his biggest issue was dumb fouls that limited his playing time and therefore the effect he can have on a game, which he already started to improve on before jordan arrived.
the only reason why jordan is still here is to try and appease durant
Without being at practice it's hard to know, but from everything I've read Jordan has helped him out. Simple adjustments like not leaving your feet too early, using the correct hand on blocks, etc, will eliminate some silly fouls and keep you in the game longer. Plus Robinson is healthy now. But Jordan is a former defensive player of the year, I'd think he can and is helping out a 20 year old kid. How much? Who knows?
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Mitch Robinson is a stud
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The only other rookies with at least one block in more than 20 consecutive contests before turning 21 are Kevin Garnett and Shaquille O’Neal. In addition, Robinson has an excellent chance to become the first rookie and just the third player ever (joining DeAndre Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain) to shoot over 70% from the field over an entire season.
Just signed a deal with Nike
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The main highlight of the past month or so has been watching him play, and now with Smith.
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The main highlight of the past month or so has been watching him play, and now with Smith.
I think Trier is a solid piece moving forward too
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Nice return for Jordan. I've always been a fan, glad he's a Knick, hope he stays.
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Dolan had a guy kicked out and banned from MSG for yelling from the stands "sell the team!".
Dolan is also a cowardly bitch who does indeed need to sell the team
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Dolan had a guy kicked out and banned from MSG for yelling from the stands "sell the team!".
Dolan is also a cowardly bitch who does indeed need to sell the team
Just saw the video. What a smug, piece of excrement, fat freak walking over with that awful toothy grin.
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Dolan had a guy kicked out and banned from MSG for yelling from the stands "sell the team!".
Dolan is also a cowardly bitch who does indeed need to sell the team
What a chump. Back in the day the "blue seats" would've pick up the 'sell the team' chant in support of the guy who was tossed.
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What a chump. Back in the day the "blue seats" would've pick up the 'sell the team' chant in support of the guy who was tossed.
The whole Garden should chant it the rest of the year. What is he going to do?
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The whole Garden should chant it the rest of the year. What is he going to do?
Go home and cry about how awful his life is.
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Go home and cry about how awful his life is.
Dedicate the rest of his life to his bar band? I'd be ok with that.
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i feel like hes the type of prick who digs his feet in even deeper everytime someone says to sell the team.
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i feel like hes the type of prick who digs his feet in even deeper everytime someone says to sell the team.
That smug, toothy grin is all you have to know about this tiny man.
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Anyone see the end of Sunday's game? Hezonia with a block on LeBron for the win. Nice.
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Our biggest vendor is hosting us at the game tonight. I've never been to MSG for a game before, so this should be fun. I don't remember the last time I actually watched this team though, so anything I should know going in (other than they aren't good)?
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Our biggest vendor is hosting us at the game tonight. I've never been to MSG for a game before, so this should be fun. I don't remember the last time I actually watched this team though, so anything I should know going in (other than they aren't good)?
You should know that Mitchell Robinson is a clumsy disrespectful poopchute.
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Our biggest vendor is hosting us at the game tonight. I've never been to MSG for a game before, so this should be fun. I don't remember the last time I actually watched this team though, so anything I should know going in (other than they aren't good)?
Enjoy the young guys, Robinson, Trier, Dotson, all could be keepers.
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You should know that Mitchell Robinson is a clumsy disrespectful poopchute.
Hahaha, okay
Enjoy the young guys, Robinson, Trier, Dotson, all could be keepers.
Meh, I'm really going for the free booze and food. I'll probably come back next season if they manage those max deals plus get the #1 pick. They'll find a way to screw it up, I'm sure, but there's always the dream until it dies.
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You should know that Mitchell Robinson is a clumsy disrespectful poopchute.
this is a crappy take
mitch hustles all game every game and was fighting for a loose ball, ended up on the ground, and lowry happened to be in the way. nothing negative or malicious behind it, and, most importantly, lowry is going to be okay.
there is nothing here, but all is see/hear is canadians whining
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...but there's always the dream until it dies.
We're Jet fans, it's what we do. Have fun.
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this is a crappy take
mitch hustles all game every game and was fighting for a loose ball, ended up on the ground, and lowry happened to be in the way. nothing negative or malicious behind it, and, most importantly, lowry is going to be okay.
there is nothing here, but all is see/hear is canadians whining
This too. He's a good young player, arguably the biggest bright spot of the season for the Knicks.
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This too. He's a good young player, arguably the biggest bright spot of the season for the Knicks.
he is the only young player on the knicks guaranteed a future with us right now
the next is dotson who's confirmed he will be a very good role player off the bench
ntilikina may be gone by next year
DSJ becomes redundant if FO's plan is to sign somebody like kyrie
knox has shown flashes but is still very inconsistent/raw, and looks/plays aloof, which is annoying
trier started off hot but has cooled considerably.
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we are a team that used to have porzingis
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he is the only young player on the knicks guaranteed a future with us right now
the next is dotson who's confirmed he will be a very good role player off the bench
ntilikina may be gone by next year
DSJ becomes redundant if FO's plan is to sign somebody like kyrie
knox has shown flashes but is still very inconsistent/raw, and looks/plays aloof, which is annoying
trier started off hot but has cooled considerably.
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we are a team that used to have porzingis
All true. I'm good with the trade, though.
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this is a crappy take
mitch hustles all game every game and was fighting for a loose ball, ended up on the ground, and lowry happened to be in the way. nothing negative or malicious behind it, and, most importantly, lowry is going to be okay.
there is nothing here, but all is see/hear is canadians whining
It was a excrement play. I'm just teasing and I don't really have a problem with Robinson, especially as Lowry is going to be fine and probably shouldn't have been on the court at the time anyway, but that was a horrible crappy play. The ball wasn't loose, he'd already lost out and Kyle was dribbling away from Robinson with his off hand when he lunged in and fell on Kyle's ankle.
Watch it again:
https://www.bardown.com/kyle-lowry-weighs-in-on-the-play-with-mitchell-robinson-that-sent-him-limping-to-the-room-1.1275673
It's a dumb play with zero chance of winning the ball. I don't think there was intent to injure but Lowry has every right to be pissed about it, because it's really stupid and unnecessary.
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All true. I'm good with the trade, though.
it's still one of the worst trades of all time
never has a team so needlessly given up on the amount of potential/upside shown by porzingis already just to free themselves of bad contracts they unnecessarily dug themselves into in the first place, prior to a mega-summer that everybody knew was coming for years
the only media personality that has the courage to call this deal for what it is is max kellerman. thinking about this deal still leaves me in a very sour mood
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It was a excrement play. I'm just teasing and I don't really have a problem with Robinson, especially as Lowry is going to be fine and probably shouldn't have been on the court at the time anyway, but that was a horrible crappy play. The ball wasn't loose, he'd already lost out and Kyle was dribbling away from Robinson with his off hand when he lunged in and fell on Kyle's ankle.
Watch it again:
https://www.bardown.com/kyle-lowry-weighs-in-on-the-play-with-mitchell-robinson-that-sent-him-limping-to-the-room-1.1275673
It's a dumb play with zero chance of winning the ball. I don't think there was intent to injure but Lowry has every right to be pissed about it, because it's really stupid and unnecessary.
uhh
the ball was still very much in play for mitch when he first attempted to get it back, and at that moment he had to get low to try and get the ball
his momentum was already in motion and mitch was going to end up on the ground because of it. AFTER all of this had already occurred lowry ended up winning out with the ball, but there was nothing mitch could to do stop his fall from there. it's a shame that the play ended up the way it did, but to say that 'lowry was already dribbling away with the ball' and insinuate that mitch then just threw his body into him is completely inaccurate
i'm not sure that people complaining about this play have actually ever played basketball at a high intensity level other than just shooting the excrement with friends/acquaintances during a sunday pickup game, excrement happens in a physical sport. if a smaller player had done the same thing that mitch did, nothing may have happened at the end as they very well may have ended up catching themselves and their balance before falling over. robinson's sheer size changes the physics and inertia behind such an effort, and it shouldn't be held against him
people are just annoyed at this because 'it's kyle lowry'. if this happened to the 15th guy on the team we wouldn't even be talking about it right now
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the worst part about this was canadians going on instagram saying that mitch should watch himself in toronto, like toronto is actually hood and not responsible for aubrey graham, tory lanez, justin bieber
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uhh
the ball was still very much in play for mitch when he first attempted to get it back, and at that moment he had to get low to try and get the ball
his momentum was already in motion and mitch was going to end up on the ground because of it. AFTER all of this had already occurred lowry ended up winning out with the ball, but there was nothing mitch could to do stop his fall from there. it's a shame that the play ended up the way it did, but to say that 'lowry was already dribbling away with the ball' and insinuate that mitch then just threw his body into him is completely inaccurate
i'm not sure that people complaining about this play have actually ever played basketball at a high intensity level other than just shooting the excrement with friends/acquaintances during a sunday pickup game, excrement happens in a physical sport. if a smaller player had done the same thing that mitch did, nothing may have happened at the end as they very well may have ended up catching themselves and their balance before falling over. robinson's sheer size changes the physics and inertia behind such an effort, and it shouldn't be held against him
people are just annoyed at this because 'it's kyle lowry'. if this happened to the 15th guy on the team we wouldn't even be talking about it right now
Ah that old chestnut, the "you don't understand because you haven't played to the level I have" card. Todd Haley never played football, Jon Cooper never played hockey, Arrigo Sacchi barely played soccer. You don't need to have played to a high level to have a reasonable understanding of a sport - equally I've played a couple of sports to an OK competitive level and can tell you that some of the most talented players I've ever played with didn't have a freaking clue at times, they needed coaching to get the best out of them and they couldn't watch a tape and tell you what was going on to save their lives, so save that bullshit.
Robinson goes for the ball with Lowry, but as Lowry wins it and turns away Robinson turns the corner with him which is what causes him to trip over Lowry's trailing leg and crash onto him. It's a naive move born out of a rookie desire to win every ball regardless of situation, and you can't blame a veteran player for being annoyed about him overplaying the situation and creating an unnecessary injury. I thought Kyle, as usual, handled things pretty well post game - he called it as it was, and passed it off as a rookie error without malice.
I already said that it wasn't an intentional play but it was still freaking dumb. I can't speak for people talking excrement on Twitter and Instagram, I don't use either because they're both cesspits filled with idiots. Maybe if you did the same and didn't get yourself all verklempt about them you'd be able to see a simple joke on JO for what it is.
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Ah that old chestnut, the "you don't understand because you haven't played to the level I have" card. Todd Haley never played football, Jon Cooper never played hockey, Arrigo Sacchi barely played soccer. You don't need to have played to a high level to have a reasonable understanding of a sport - equally I've played a couple of sports to an OK competitive level and can tell you that some of the most talented players I've ever played with didn't have a freaking clue at times, they needed coaching to get the best out of them and they couldn't watch a tape and tell you what was going on to save their lives, so save that bullshit.
Robinson goes for the ball with Lowry, but as Lowry wins it and turns away Robinson turns the corner with him which is what causes him to trip over Lowry's trailing leg and crash onto him. It's a naive move born out of a rookie desire to win every ball regardless of situation, and you can't blame a veteran player for being annoyed about him overplaying the situation and creating an unnecessary injury. I thought Kyle, as usual, handled things pretty well post game - he called it as it was, and passed it off as a rookie error without malice.
I already said that it wasn't an intentional play but it was still freaking dumb. I can't speak for people talking excrement on Twitter and Instagram, I don't use either because they're both cesspits filled with idiots. Maybe if you did the same and didn't get yourself all verklempt about them you'd be able to see a simple joke on JO for what it is.
we can agree to disagree
i brought up that 'chestnut' as it was directly applicable to the situation regarding a player's effort over a scrutinized play. you're doing the same in bringing up a contrasting platitude in 'you can know about a game without ever actually having played that game', but i'm sorry, i don't think that's applicable to this situation. the fundamental thing being disagreed on here is the necessity of robinson's actions, where you and lowry seem to be on the bandwagon that it was 'naive' or clueless.
i don't think it was. with his size and athleticism, robinson's 2nd and 3rd effort is what takes him over the top as a special, young talent. it's why he's 3rd in the leage in blocks as an insanely raw rookie, it's why he's setting records for us for consecutive games with a block. a play like that may be a byproduct of the package robinson brings, but i don't think it's a needless trait. i hope it's something he never loses as he gets older and becomes a more 'seasoned, experienced' player.
you honestly hit the nail on the head before. if we want to talk about 'preventing unnecessary injury' in a highly physical/competitive game like basketball, tell your coach to sit lowry in a meaningless game when they are up 50 against the new york freaking knicks, the worst team in the league and honestly one of the worst franchises of all time. forgive me for finding all of the crocodile tears over this near injury annoying when we know your coach already understands the value of star players in meaningless games by deciding to sit leonard.
i spend little, but more, time on twitter than i do instagram, where my time is nearly nil, but all you need is an internet connection and 30 seconds to have found out that that sort of excrement happened on social media, and it doesn't make toronto niggas less annoying, and it doesn't mean i'm too 'emotional'. i don't know how you can throw that stuff in my face when you've literally made several posts within the past day about how annoyed you were about a post made by OBJ on instagram.
i apologize if any of my annoyance around the reaction to the play was unnecessarily aimed at you
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we can agree to disagree
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i apologize if any of my annoyance around the reaction to the play was unnecessarily aimed at you
We can, no apology is necessary and JIKY.
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They were so bad to watch.
The only guys who didn't look like they were playing a pickup game in the park were Jordan and Hezonja. Guys are out there shooting 3s bowlegged with open men down low.
I don't know squat about Fizdale, but they looked like a terribly coached team that doesn't care a lick about fundamentals. I understand this isn't the same game as when I was 20 years younger, but FFS Utah at least played defense.
Literally, every person I spoke to last night said they haven't watched a Knicks game in years. Also, the Garden was maybe 3/4 full, if that, and I'd say 15-20% of the crowd was Utah fans.
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They were so bad to watch.
The only guys who didn't look like they were playing a pickup game in the park were Jordan and Hezonja. Guys are out there shooting 3s bowlegged with open men down low.
I don't know squat about Fizdale, but they looked like a terribly coached team that doesn't care a lick about fundamentals. I understand this isn't the same game as when I was 20 years younger, but FFS Utah at least played defense.
Literally, every person I spoke to last night said they haven't watched a Knicks game in years. Also, the Garden was maybe 3/4 full, if that, and I'd say 15-20% of the crowd was Utah fans.
I went to one game this year, on MLK which was my birthday. I'm as big a Knicks fan as there is and I watch most games live or on DVR, but going in the city to watch what they've been doing is just more money than it's worth. Been to one Jet game in each of the last two seasons, too.
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https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/03/kristaps-porzingis-accused-of-rape.html?fv-home=true&post-id=122712
Can’t spell Kristaps without “rapist”.
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On the February trade call to finalize the Dallas-New York deal, the Knicks informed the Mavericks of the pending rape allegation against Kristaps Porzingis, league sources tell ESPN. The league office had been previously made aware of the allegations.
Woj
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seems telling, nobody seems to buy the allegations all that much in the league.
not to mention she claims it was the night he tore his acl, which lets just say, is suspect.
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ESPN obtained a series of text messages between the woman and Porzingis, as well as emails between her and the Knicks. The texts and emails portray a woman who wanted to pursue a romantic relationship with Porzingis in the aftermath of the alleged assault in February 2018, but who also wanted him to honor what she says was his commitment to contribute $68,000 to a college fund for her brother.
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In the handwritten letter that she described as a contractual agreement with Porzingis for payment of $68,000 -- a copy of which was obtained by ESPN -- Porzingis' name is misspelled and it is unclear whether the signature belongs to him.
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Besides the $68,000 payment, the woman also wanted the Knicks to assist in the return of a pair of sandals she termed her "favorite Jordan gray and orange slides." She also had texted Porzingis for the return of the shoes, and he acknowledged she left them in his apartment.
If you don’t believe her you’re part of the problem
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seems telling, nobody seems to buy the allegations all that much in the league.
not to mention she claims it was the night he tore his acl, which lets just say, is suspect.
That makes it harder to believe.
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she sounds like a fvcking thot
'favorite jordan gray and orange slides'
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A win on Robinson's birthday. 15 wins!
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w/ the NBA's worst record this season, here are the Knicks odds for each pick:
#1: 14.0%
#2: 13.4%
#3: 12.7%
#4: 12.0%
#5: 47.9%
Here were the odds for the team that finished with the worst record last year:
#1: 25.0%
#2: 21.5%
#3: 17.8%
#4: 35.7%
#5: 0%
This is bullshit
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the knicks are getting the 5th pick lol
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Nice win last night. DSJ dribbled away from them trying to foul and threw one down after the buzzer.
Mitchell Robinson is just playing out of his mind and he's like 20.
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Winning streak. freak the Bulls.
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We have Ewing in our corner Tuesday night. I feel good about this.
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We have Ewing in our corner Tuesday night. I feel good about this.
i am going to bet big money on the knicks not getting the first overall pick
the nba changed the lotto odds to prevent teams from trying to tank for the first pick. how bad would it look if the tanking knicks still ended up getting the first overall pick after all of this? the nba will not allow it to happen. any knick fan that thinks otherwise needs a huge reality check, but this is something you can say about almost the entire knick fanbase
it's going to be some randy derriere team that gets the first pick so that the nba will say 'see, this is why you don't tank'.
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As a Knicks and Jets fan I have no use for reality.
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https://imgur.com/gallery/g61Wrsn (http://Kristaps Porzingis got into a bit of a scrap)
I know you guys were pissed when you traded him, but he does seem like trouble follows him.
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https://imgur.com/gallery/g61Wrsn (http://Kristaps Porzingis got into a bit of a scrap)
I know you guys were pissed when you traded him, but he does seem like trouble follows him.
I was ok with it. Four years in and he was doing nothing, coming up on a contract. I wish him the best but we never sniffed the playoffs with him, so let's move on.
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https://imgur.com/gallery/g61Wrsn (http://Kristaps Porzingis got into a bit of a scrap)
I know you guys were pissed when you traded him, but he does seem like trouble follows him.
way too early to be judging something/someone based on a short 'after the fact' clip of whatever happened. if he really got jumped because some crazy fans were mad he left the knicks for the mavs, then that's not kristaps' fault, it's the knicks fault.
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I was ok with it. Four years in and he was doing nothing, coming up on a contract. I wish him the best but we never sniffed the playoffs with him, so let's move on.
this is a horrible take. he was/is a franchise level talent that came to us in his teens and had absolute excrement around him for a roster, as well as bad coaches in derek fisher/jeff hornacek. but yeah, let's put the horrible knicks not making the playoffs on him.
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this is a horrible take. he was/is a franchise level talent that came to us in his teens and had absolute excrement around him for a roster, as well as bad coaches in derek fisher/jeff hornacek. but yeah, let's put the horrible knicks not making the playoffs on him.
Not putting it on him but the fact is he was out over a year and showed no interest in coming back. I was a big fan too, but he wasn't helping us and we freed up two max spots by unloading a player with questionable health that wasn't playing. I wouldn't be comfortable re-signing him to big money when he hasn't stayed on the floor and that was going to be the next hurdle.
Certainly we've had plenty of problems, 99% of which aren't his fault, but I had no problem with the trade. Worst case scenario is we remain garbage, which we probably were going to without the trade.
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Patrick Ewing:
“I’m not sure which envelope is going to be the cold envelope”
video (https://twitter.com/KnickFilmSchool/status/1128323385958834176)
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Only 86% chance the Knicks don’t get the 1 pick LETSS GOOOOOOOOOO
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If this little retarded Gilbert fucker wins the lottery again, it's rigged.
This isn't the Make-A-Wish Foundation.
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Lmao
Of course
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What a bunch of bullshit
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If this little retarded Gilbert fucker wins the lottery again, it's rigged.
This isn't the Make-A-Wish Foundation.
It is except instead of getting your wish you just get more cancer
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I would have been fine with Ja at 2
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The lottery is so freaking dumb
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RJ Barrett
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Lmao
Of course
Sums it up.
Something tells me if I turned on WFAN people will be blaming Ewing.
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RJ Barrett
I seem to recall that Heismanberg hates Barrett.
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RJ Barrett
Man, freak RJ Barrett
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I seem to recall that Heismanberg hates Barrett.
Indeed I do
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Apparently the Raptors progressing means that the streak of a former Knick playing in every NBA Finals ever continues; if the Bucks had won the streak would have been broken.
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Apparently the Raptors progressing means that the streak of a former Knick playing in every NBA Finals ever continues; if the Bucks had won the streak would have been broken.
Thanks, Isiah.
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Thanks, Isiah.
Thomas? Nothing to do with him.
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Thomas? Nothing to do with him.
Yeah, it was a joke. Finals and Knicks in the same sentence is just odd.
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Yeah, it was a joke. Finals and Knicks in the same sentence is just odd.
Sorry man, the joke's lost on me. I don't have your basketball history.
Lin is the Knicks connection. And obviously Durant and Kawhi when you sign them in the summer.
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Sorry man, the joke's lost on me. I don't have your basketball history.
Lin is the Knicks connection. And obviously Durant and Kawhi when you sign them in the summer.
That's a pretty amazing stat. Knicks fan since about 1975, first I've ever heard of it.
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That's a pretty amazing stat. Knicks fan since about 1975, first I've ever heard of it.
I was born in '75, but otherwise, same.
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That's a pretty amazing stat. Knicks fan since about 1975, first I've ever heard of it.
I brazenly stole it from Reddit, here's the post with the list of all the players:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/bug827/oc_the_73year_nba_tradition_that_nobody_knows_or/
I'd copy the table over but it's way too much work to redo all the formatting on here.
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I brazenly stole it from Reddit, here's the post with the list of all the players:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/bug827/oc_the_73year_nba_tradition_that_nobody_knows_or/
I'd copy the table over but it's way too much work to redo all the formatting on here.
That's pretty interesting. Jason Kidd was in the 2002 and 2003 Finals, and didn't join the Knicks until his last season in 2012-13, so the streak was off for a while and then back on.
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I was born in '75, but otherwise, same.
I got in on the Knicks and Jets moments after they won their last championships. Timing is not my forte.
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I got in on the Knicks and Jets moments after they won their last championships. Timing is not my forte.
Could you do me a solid and become a Patriots and Red Sox fan?
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That's pretty interesting. Jason Kidd was in the 2002 and 2003 Finals, and didn't join the Knicks until his last season in 2012-13, so the streak was off for a while and then back on.
Yeah, it's quite a fun stat because it can work retrospectively - even if it breaks, it can be brought back to life in subsequent years.
Somehow the Shaq Streak has lived on again this year as well, although it surely has to die soon.
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Yeah, it's quite a fun stat because it can work retrospectively - even if it breaks, it can be brought back to life in subsequent years.
Somehow the Shaq Streak has lived on again this year as well, although it surely has to die soon.
The Knicks can actually sign guys each year to keep it going, knowing the guy has been to the Finals.
Or they could, you know, make the Finals.
Nah.
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http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nba/kawhi-leonard-free-agency-rumors-knicks-expected-to-push-hard-to-sign-star/ar-AACveLb?ocid=ientp
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RIP Knicks
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Never wanted KD and his burner accounts
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RIP Knicks
They've been doing a great job of that.
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Never wanted KD and his burner accounts
Yeah, I would much rather watch Jimmy Butler
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that'll be fun, watching jimmy butler get pissed and half derriere it for 6 years because the knicks suck
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"bro, KP was injury prone anyways"
KD tears his achilles
"we're getting KD/Kyrie/Zion"
Kyrie likes the nets, knicks don't get zion
awesome trade, the cap space though
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that'll be fun, watching jimmy butler get pissed and half derriere it for 6 years because the knicks suck
But the garden tho
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"bro, KP was injury prone anyways"
KD tears his achilles
"we're getting KD/Kyrie/Zion"
Kyrie likes the nets, knicks don't get zion
awesome trade, the cap space though
I'm still fine with the trade. KP didn't want to be here, wants to get paid and we can't count on him. Nothing wrong with keeping the space until the right move comes along, we have a lot of young guys and the #3 pick.
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RJ Barrett SZN
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Hearing this guy is supposed to be the next Shaq
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Let's do it.
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The offseason we've been waiting for for years...
Julius Randle, Reggie Bullock, Taj Gibson, and Wayne Ellington
What a garbage franchise
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Gave up a superstar in KP and got virtually nothing out of it
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Gave up a superstar in KP and got virtually nothing out of it
I have been arguing with dumb Knick fans for months about how horrible that trade was back in January, and how we weren't going to sign anybody when they were hanging their hat on the 'We basically traded KP for KD/Kyrie'. they have been giving me excrement back for months, and now I am vindicated. they are idiots, the knicks are derriere, the knicks are the worst franchise in the game
this has to go down as the worst trade of all time. sold low and used KP, your franchise player, the best talent we've had in the last 30 years, and the best talent we'd have going into the future (because if you had any sort of logic, you KNEW that NO NBA STAR would be signing for us) to get a broken DSJ, middling 1st round draft picks 3 and 5 years from now (LMAO), and 'caps space', just to sign nobody.
oh, knick fans are happy we signed randle LMAO. he does NOTHING to change this team or make us contenders. moreover, KP SHITS ON HIM.
knick fans complaining about GSW 'ruining everything' by injuring durant, saying that nobody will want to pair up with an injured star......and they pair up anyways.....with the Nets, the team that now owns NY. LMAOOO
these knick fans have absolutely NOTHING to defend this garbage franchise
all going off saying 'this is a different time, we are run by good people now'.......ughh.......STEVE MILLS WAS ISIAH THOMAS' RIGHT-HAND MAN WHEN THEY TOOK THIS FRANCHISE DOWN THE DRAIN. JAMES DOLAN IS STILL HERE. there is NOTHING different about how this team is being run. it's still run by the same filth. STEVE MILLS WAS HERE TO SIGN THJ TO THAT HORRIBLE CONTRACT THAT WE HAD TO SACRIFICE KP FOR.
james dolan came out months ago saying 'we're going to have an awesome summer with stars signing here'.......only to bring us this LMAO. not only that, he comes out with the 'we didn't want him anyways' line as a total spin to save face, when the truth of the matter was that KD didn't want to be here. this is the same team that has given out huge money and assets to get antonio mcdyess, eddy curry, jerome james, joakim noah with all of their issues, and now james dolan is drawing the line by saying he will not do the same by offering KD, arguably one of the top 10 players of all time and a first ballot HOF, top money. LMAO. it's an obvious lie but any way you spin it, it looks so, so bad for this franchise.
complete filth any way you look at this
you know what? i would have completely been fine with a summer of signing nobody if we still had a young, amazing talent like KP to hang our hat on and develop. a team with the likes of KP, RJ, Knox, Mitch, Trier, Dotson, Frank is young, cheap, and promising, and something to build on. KP was going to be the horse that we'd ride behind, our own self developed super star, the face of the project. we don't have that right now, we gave that person away for nothing, and there is a high chance that none of our prospects will ever reach the level KP was able to reach before the injury.
but the knicks are now being run by 'a good group' of people. it's the same excrement. dolan is filth. steve mills is an idiot and a cancer to this team.
there aren't enough words to describe how shitty this franchise is
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the knicks twerked away the future of the organization in KP to try and end up with 2 max slots
the nets traded away allen crabbe to end up with KD/Kyrie LMAOOOOOo
the difference
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The Knicks were banking on Zion being their selling point to bring top guys in. When they lost the lottery, it was all over.
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The Knicks were banking on Zion being their selling point to bring top guys in. When they lost the lottery, it was all over.
this is another excuse. this isn't it. even if they got zion, nothing would be different regarding FA.
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Bobby Portis
CHAMPIONSHIP
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https://news.google.com/articles/CBMicmh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnRoZXJpbmdlci5jb20vbmJhLzIwMTkvNi8zMC8yMDY2NDI5MS9qYW1lcy1kb2xhbi1rbmlja3MtbmV3LXlvcmstZnJlZS1hZ2VuY3kta2V2aW4tZHVyYW50LWt5cmllLWlydmluZ9IBf2h0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnRoZXJpbmdlci5jb20vcGxhdGZvcm0vYW1wL25iYS8yMDE5LzYvMzAvMjA2NjQyOTEvamFtZXMtZG9sYW4ta25pY2tzLW5ldy15b3JrLWZyZWUtYWdlbmN5LWtldmluLWR1cmFudC1reXJpZS1pcnZpbmc?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Fun read.
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The Knicks were banking on Zion being their selling point to bring top guys in. When they lost the lottery, it was all over.
Well, uh, banking on winning the lottery doesn’t seem like a very sound strategy
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GIANNIS 2021
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DSJ
Barrett
Knox
Randle
Robinson
This lineup can compete for a spot in the lottery
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The @SuperBookUSA has made the New York Knicks the favorite to win the Summer League (10/1)
Let’s Gooooo
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Now I know the Knicks have been a joke for a long time. But seeing how this offseason went and what's happened with the nets, I feel like we're about to see a special kind of destruction of this franchise.
Like even by Knicks standards this is an unprecedented amount of ineptitude, it makes me wonder just how bad this will damage their viewership. And how aggressive the nets will be at marketing towards being NYs basketball team for good
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Now I know the Knicks have been a joke for a long time. But seeing how this offseason went and what's happened with the nets, I feel like we're about to see a special kind of destruction of this franchise.
Like even by Knicks standards this is an unprecedented amount of ineptitude, it makes me wonder just how bad this will damage their viewership. And how aggressive the nets will be at marketing towards being NYs basketball team for good
I'm feeling a lot more confident about the direction of the Knicks now. Thank you.
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Maybe this will finally make doland sell the team
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there are actually knick fans out there saying we went about FA in a 'smart' fashion, and that perry/mills have 'earned their trust'
these fans deserve everything this franchise gives them.
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At least on a more positive note the Knicks/msg lost over 200 million in stock value Monday.
Guess shareholders weren't happy
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https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1145471388356100096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1145471388356100096%7Ctwgr%5E393039363b74776565745f6d65646961&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo.com%2Fkevin-durant-knicks-james-dolan-max-nba-free-agency-235154368.html
Ramona Shelburne
@ramonashelburne
The Knicks and owner Jim Dolan were not prepared to offer Kevin Durant a full max contract due to concerns over his recovery from the Achilles injury, league sources tell me and @wojespn. Knicks officials are in Los Angeles tonight, meeting with free agents such as Julius Randle.
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Can't get any worse then where we've been. I was lukewarm to offering KD a max deal when he can't play, and I've always been a big KD fan. Should be easier to move these pieces around than being stuck with one or two albatross contracts if they didn't work out.
Not what I was hoping for but nothing from nothing is still nothing.
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you werent getting him on anything less than a max, anything less was just a waste of time.
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you werent getting him on anything less than a max, anything less was just a waste of time.
Did you think we were going to win anything with him? Nothing against KD himself, but another 30+ injured guy on a max deal, everyone would be complaining about that. At least Porzingus was young and injured and no help.
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Did you think we were going to win anything with him? Nothing against KD himself, but another 30+ injured guy on a max deal, everyone would be complaining about that. At least Porzingus was young and injured and no help.
The difference is KD was a package deal with kyrie Irving and KD is only 30
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The difference is KD was a package deal with kyrie Irving and KD is only 30
KD will be 32 when he returns from his injury
Irving is an injury prone little bitch
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I don’t mind missing out on KD and Irving. Obviously a let down but the contracts they have out are short term and allow the Knicks to build through the draft
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I don’t mind missing out on KD and Irving. Obviously a let down but the contracts they have out are short term and allow the Knicks to build through the draft
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Can you build through the draft in the NBA? (and actually be a contender)
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Can you build through the draft in the NBA? (and actually be a contender)
Not as much as the NFL but the Warriors dynasty was built through the draft and they supplemented with KD.
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Can you build through the draft in the NBA? (and actually be a contender)
It's even more of a crapshoot than the NFL, you have lottery picks who end up out of the league, 2nd round guys and free agents who stick. If we're not going to land an A list player in his prime, I'd rather have the roster flexibility for the next opportunity without having to wait another 5-10 years.
Flip side is you only need a few main guys to contend, it's not like the NFL where you have so many different units it's impossible to get them all right at the same time. At least the Jets have made it look impossible for the 45 years I've been watching them. Between them and Rutgers I'm convinced it can't be done.
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80% kd is still better than 90% of the NBA, and far better than anyone currently a knick.
Not as much as the NFL but the Warriors dynasty was built through the draft and they supplemented with KD.
we also got fairly lucky, it took a few years for curry to hit his potential so we got his second contract cheap, same with dray and klay.
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i honestly don't mind missing out on kd/kyrie either, but the worst part of all of this was that our franchise player was sacrificed by this FO to have a 'shot' at signing those two dudes, when there wasn't ever a shot of signing those two dudes. we gave away KP for nothing
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https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiVWh0dHBzOi8vc3BvcnRzLnlhaG9vLmNvbS9qYW1lcy1kb2xhbi1rbmlja3MtZnJlZS1hZ2VudHMtY2hhcmxlcy1vYWtsZXktMDIxNzQ5MjM5Lmh0bWzSAV1odHRwczovL3Nwb3J0cy55YWhvby5jb20vYW1waHRtbC9qYW1lcy1kb2xhbi1rbmlja3MtZnJlZS1hZ2VudHMtY2hhcmxlcy1vYWtsZXktMDIxNzQ5MjM5Lmh0bWw?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Big shock here. What I’ve been saying forever.
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i honestly don't mind missing out on kd/kyrie either, but the worst part of all of this was that our franchise player was sacrificed by this FO to have a 'shot' at signing those two dudes, when there wasn't ever a shot of signing those two dudes. we gave away KP for nothing
Honestly don't think KP wanted to be here or was ever going to stay on the floor for any length of time.
I'm more concerned that half our regular rotation is 0-2 in the Vegas league.
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Marcus Morris might back out of his deal with the Spurs can come to the Knicks
Sign all the power forwards
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Marcus Morris might back out of his deal with the Spurs can come to the Knicks
I already question his judgement.
0-3 in Vegas now, Knox got pulled, Robinson came close to fouling out in a league where they allow 10 personals.
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Why do you give a excrement about the Vegas league?
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Why do you give a excrement about the Vegas league?
It's the only time of year we're not a million games out of contention.
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Knicks sign Marcus Morris
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The start of the next dynasty.
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It's the only time of year we're not a million games out of contention.
our legit NBA team was still out there throwing Ls against summer league squads
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our legit NBA team was still out there throwing Ls against summer league squads
Troubling, but at least we mathematically had a chance for a few days. More than you can say for the other 51 weeks of the year.
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New season, let's do this boys!!! Let's at least stay relevant past Thanksgiving.
I'm going to try and guess which one in the crowd is Heismanberg tonight.
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Take the Knicks money line
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My very (very) early take on the Knicks this year is they can compete for a 7 or 8 seed and hopefully be an annoying team in the playoffs. At the minimum I think they’ll compete this season and not be an embarrassment
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Back to their old ways taking terrible shots and playing hero ball
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RJ actually played really well
Mitchell Robinson could’ve helped a lot tonight
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I'm liking Barrett, hoping we hang in.
Did you go to the game?
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I'm liking Barrett, hoping we hang in.
Did you go to the game?
Yeah, we were there.
Morris getting booed while having a really great game was fun.
Randle and Barrett might actually give this team a decent core.
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Yeah, we were there.
Morris getting booed while having a really great game was fun.
Randle and Barrett might actually give this team a decent core.
I think they're going to be better if they stay healthy and play together a while. Saw them booing Morris, he came out and hit the first shot.
Hoping Robinson isn't out too long.
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Trying my patience early.
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Let’s Go
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Yeah baby. A win. A freaking win.
Portis was awesome, Barrett looks legit.
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Knox looks solid too
This team has a lot of good pieces and Barrett looks really good so far
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Also, it was great to hear Clyde again, he was in vintage form. Guy is a treasure, getting some vocabulary words back.
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I was hoping Mitchell Robinson could take a step forward, but he can't stay out of foul trouble and his +/- has been horrendous.
How do you go -24 in a game your team wins by 7 when you are only in the game for 18 minutes.
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I was hoping Mitchell Robinson could take a step forward, but he can't stay out of foul trouble and his +/- has been horrendous.
How do you go -24 in a game your team wins by 7 when you are only in the game for 18 minutes.
Most of that was the early minutes when the Bulls built the lead and he was in the game. Actually was one of our better players on the floor, rebounding, got a few blocks, hit a couple shots. Got to the second half with just 2 fouls, then picked up 2 more quick ones and had to come out. Because Portis came in and did so well, Robinson was out while the Knicks made most of their comeback and Fizdale rode the hot hand. So the -24 looks worse than it was for him.
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imagine this team with mitchell and porzingis providing the interior D
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Yeah baby. A win. A freaking win.
Portis was awesome, Barrett looks legit.
Don't get too excited, it was over a team that's honestly the worst in the NBA. How Reinsdorf has allowed GarPax to just run this franchise into the ground I'll never know but its an embarrassment. Completely rudderless franchise with no identity and no one besides Lauri Markannen that I can look at as part of a solution.
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Don't get too excited, it was over a team that's honestly the worst in the NBA. How Reinsdorf has allowed GarPax to just run this franchise into the ground I'll never know but its an embarrassment. Completely rudderless franchise with no identity and no one besides Lauri Markannen that I can look at as part of a solution.
You're probably right, but wins are hard to come by anywhere in my universe right now, especially without the Dodgers or Seton Hall going.
I do think Barrett is the real deal.
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Give me something here, Knicks.
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Give me something here, Knicks.
don't look at this team for anything, they are truly a excrement franchise and are actually run worse than the jets
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Down 30 to the Kings. Yikes.
Seton Hall where art thou?
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It's that special time of year when the Knicks and Jets have the same record.
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Down 30 to the Kings. Yikes.
Seton Hall where art thou?
G-Banger getting his first win as a head coach a couple of nights ago!
I accidently walked in on him and a lucky lady once at the old pooper rugby house in east orange. Girl he was with looked like an uglier, chubbier Dee Snider.
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G-Banger getting his first win as a head coach a couple of nights ago!
I accidently walked in on him and a lucky lady once at the old pooper rugby house in east orange. Girl he was with looked like an uglier, chubbier Dee Snider.
LOL lucky for him he plays basketball. I remember him on the team, early 2000s with Andre Barrett.
We really need Seton Hall to live up to expectations this year.
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Sweet win!
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Cleveland at MSG Sunday night, do I hear 3-7??
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tfw steve mills is about to fire his 6th coach he hired, but he's totally not the problem.
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I don't know what these guys do on Saturday nights, but this is two Sundays in a row getting killed at home by teams they should beat.
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Dolan is the worst owner in sports
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Dolan is the worst owner in sports
Dan Snyder
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Jerry Reisndorf is Dolan if he didn't luck into the greatest NBA player of all-time.
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Jerry Reisndorf is Dolan if he didn't luck into the greatest NBA player of all-time.
Magic Johnson?
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Dan Snyder
Eugene Melnyk
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Also, WTF is this idiocy about the Knicks going after Masai? GTFO with that bullshit.
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steve mills is another dude that needs to get his derriere beat. i don't know how he walks around without offing himself.
he has had such a huge role in the franchise woes over the past 2 decades and he is completely oblivious to it
how in the blue fvck does he have the gall to stand up there during an impromptu press conference and say that he's surprised and 'expected better' out of a completely trash roster that he fvcking engineered, trying to place blame on fizdale for his completely horrible roster construction? the fcking audacity
he traded the franchise for cap space and illusions that he'd get KD/kyrie, and then we reality hit that nobody wants to play for a bad team/franchise, he ended up spending that cap space on trash players and 45 forwards rather than taking bad/expiring contracts back to load up on draft picks. he is fvcking horrible
everybody he's signed is trash. wayne ellington and elfrid payton are garbage. bobby portis is a nut case. taj gibson is senile. there is literally no point to marcus morris on this team. julius randle is overpaid, overrated, and thinks he's freaking kyrie out there while being able to average FOUR TURNOVERS a game as a freaking power forward. LMAO
dolan needs to go. mills needs to get the fvck out. i can give a excrement about what happens to perry but it's important to note he actually hasn't achieved anything whatsoever. i'm not going to pound my fist trying to argue that fizdale is a good coach, but he's being hung out to dry here. this team is horrible and it's worse the higher you go up. that has nothing to do with fizdale
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Also, WTF is this idiocy about the Knicks going after Masai? GTFO with that bullshit.
you literally have nothing to worry about. masai is a smart guy. why the fvck would he leave toronto for the knicks? what is the appeal there? there isn't anything there.
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you literally have nothing to worry about. masai is a smart guy. why the fvck would he leave toronto for the knicks? what is the appeal there? there isn't anything there.
I'm fairly sure that Masai isn't going anywhere, but my sports teams have burned me too many times for me to trust anything any more.
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you literally have nothing to worry about. masai is a smart guy. why the fvck would he leave toronto for the knicks? what is the appeal there? there isn't anything there.
But it's the mEcCa Of BaSkEtBaLl
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he traded the franchise for cap space and illusions that he'd get KD/kyrie, and then we reality hit that nobody wants to play for a bad team/franchise, he ended up spending that cap space on trash players and 45 forwards rather than taking bad/expiring contracts back to load up on draft picks. he is fvcking horrible
With you on most of this. But aren't most of the current players on one or two year deals? Not that we'll do any better in free agency next time, but we don't have an injured A'mare on our cap for 5 years.
wayne ellington and elfrid payton are garbage. bobby portis is a nut case. taj gibson is senile. there is literally no point to marcus morris on this team. julius randle is overpaid, overrated, and thinks he's freaking kyrie out there while being able to average FOUR TURNOVERS a game as a freaking power forward. LMAO
Seen enough of Ellington already, I cringe every time Randle tries to drive. I think it was Breen who called it a turnover waiting to happen.
dolan needs to go. mills needs to get the fvck out. i can give a excrement about what happens to perry but it's important to note he actually hasn't achieved anything whatsoever. i'm not going to pound my fist trying to argue that fizdale is a good coach, but he's being hung out to dry here. this team is horrible and it's worse the higher you go up. that has nothing to do with fizdale
Not sure how you get rid of the owner, it would be nice. Fizdale looks like he has at least ten more games to fix it. Should work lol.
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But it's the mEcCa Of BaSkEtBaLl
It is, but Dolan presents a problem.
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So I'm thinking the Knicks confirm each player shoots less than 50% from the line before signing or drafting them? This can't be a coincidence.
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2-0 vs Porzingus and Dallas.
Knicks/Jets are 3-0 vs Dallas, 2-16 vs everyone else.
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Knicks got their third win so the Jets are in line to win this Sunday
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Knicks got their third win so the Jets are in line to win this Sunday
Yeah man, this is going to be a fight to the finish.
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Lost at the end on a 3 but they played better. I think if this young core stays together they can be really good--Barrett, Ntlikina, Robinson and Knox specifically. Sounds crazy but let them keep playing.
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Frank Ntilikina is trash. 5 ppg in 25 mins derriere player. I'm tired of hearing all this excrement about how great he is defensively. Defensively, he is a high effort try-hard who gets into foul trouble all the time and still gets his derriere lit up by opposing PGs on the regular. already during this short season how many times have the knicks been lit up by opposing PGs? where's franks defense then?
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Solid win last night, wire to wire. 4-10 baby!
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Solid win last night, wire to wire. 4-10 baby!
Jets due for a win now, as long as the Knicks don’t get to 5 wins before then in which case the spell may be broken
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I know the Raps are about as good a defense as you'll see in the NBA at the moment, but is the Knicks' shooting always this bad?
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I know the Raps are about as good a defense as you'll see in the NBA at the moment, but is the Knicks' shooting always this bad?
Usually.
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Knicks have to beat the Sixers on Friday otherwise the Jets will lose since they’ve held pace the last 5 weeks or so
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Knicks have to beat the Sixers on Friday otherwise the Jets will lose since they’ve held pace the last 5 weeks or so
Welp
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Put your mortgage on Cincinnati money line
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I joke about staying relevant until Thanksgiving but again we couldn't do it.
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Terrible day part deaux.
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Lost to Denver 129-92, Garden looked pretty empty in the 4th. Now 4-18, seems to not matter what moves they ever make or don't make. It's uncanny.
This has to be the earliest I've ever given up on every pro sport in one season. Pretty soon I'm going to sound like one of those faggots who used to call WFAN counting down to pitchers and catchers.
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Lost to Denver 129-92, Garden looked pretty empty in the 4th. Now 4-18, seems to not matter what moves they ever make or don't make. It's uncanny.
This has to be the earliest I've ever given up on every pro sport in one season. Pretty soon I'm going to sound like one of those faggots who used to call WFAN counting down to pitchers and catchers.
The Devils have a good roster, they've played a third of their games and they have a 12 point gap to make up. It's not likely, but far from impossible that a new coach could get them going and make up that deficit. They just need to find their Craig Berube.
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Not that I particularly care, but I’m surprised no one has mentioned that the coach got fired today.
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Just saw that, Fizdale is probably as happy as anyone. Can't remember the last time two of my teams fired their coach in the same week. MBGreen would be proud. Let's see if it helps anything, only one place to go from 4-18.
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Just saw that, Fizdale is probably as happy as anyone. Can't remember the last time two of my teams fired their coach in the same week. MBGreen would be proud. Let's see if it helps anything, only one place to go from 4-18.
4-19?
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I don’t have a horse in this race, I won’t root for a team James Dolan owns, but how the freak was this guy supposed to win with this garbage roster? Honest question.
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I don’t have a horse in this race, I won’t root for a team James Dolan owns, but how the freak was this guy supposed to win with this garbage roster? Honest question.
I think he took the job thinking he'd have KP or a max star player or two. There is a good young group of players here, some recent lottery picks. What's worse than the record is how the games have gone recently, they haven't been competitive even for a half. I can live with losing with young players if they're playing hard and improving.
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I don’t have a horse in this race, I won’t root for a team James Dolan owns, but how the freak was this guy supposed to win with this garbage roster? Honest question.
this. horrible fvcking team with no direction and 45 trash power forwards in lieu of the franchise's only star the past 30 years, and mills/perry/dolan are selling it as an 'upgrade'. this is all fizdale's fault. this trash team should be doing better, it's fizdale's fault, it's not mills' fault that he made this trash team lmaoo.
it was mills who was isiah's right hand man when they both literally started taking the knicks down the drain straight to hell
mills traded first round picks (that would become jamal murray) for absolute trash like andrea bargnani and somehow acted surprised when he found out what the rest of the world knew already, bargnani freaking sucks
it was mills who signed THJ to an insanely overpaid contract that would ultimately end up hamstringing our cap space to the point that mills got the bright idea to sacrifice our only true star in KP to get cap space for max FAs (LOL)
mills was present with phil jackson for the horrible joakim noah (LMAO) and courtney lee contracts
it was mills who ultimately fell flat on his ugly mug when unrealistically dreaming of trying to get two bonafide stars to our trash franchise situation (LMAO) and then lying about it saying that that was never the plan anyways. it was mills who then followed up this solid gold plan with signing 45 of the same players to the roster who all performed the same functions and weren't very good at them, and then acted surprised when the team didn't win (LMAO)
mills literally deserves to get punched in the face for doing all the stupid excrement he's done without any sort of consequence whatsoever, he needs to be brought back to reality
but it's all fizdale's fault the knicks suck
and fvck scott perry for agreeing to go along with all this excrement. his bumbling stuttering dumb derriere can get the fck outta here too
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The Devils have a good roster, they've played a third of their games and they have a 12 point gap to make up. It's not likely, but far from impossible that a new coach could get them going and make up that deficit. They just need to find their Craig Berube.
Just saw this. Of my 3 garbage teams I had the most hope the Devils would at least have a season. But what do I know?
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this. horrible fvcking team with no direction and 45 trash power forwards in lieu of the franchise's only star the past 30 years, and mills/perry/dolan are selling it as an 'upgrade'. this is all fizdale's fault. this trash team should be doing better, it's fizdale's fault, it's not mills' fault that he made this trash team lmaoo.
it was mills who was isiah's right hand man when they both literally started taking the knicks down the drain straight to hell
mills traded first round picks (that would become jamal murray) for absolute trash like andrea bargnani and somehow acted surprised when he found out what the rest of the world knew already, bargnani freaking sucks
it was mills who signed THJ to an insanely overpaid contract that would ultimately end up hamstringing our cap space to the point that mills got the bright idea to sacrifice our only true star in KP to get cap space for max FAs (LOL)
mills was present with phil jackson for the horrible joakim noah (LMAO) and courtney lee contracts
it was mills who ultimately fell flat on his ugly mug when unrealistically dreaming of trying to get two bonafide stars to our trash franchise situation (LMAO) and then lying about it saying that that was never the plan anyways. it was mills who then followed up this solid gold plan with signing 45 of the same players to the roster who all performed the same functions and weren't very good at them, and then acted surprised when the team didn't win (LMAO)
mills literally deserves to get punched in the face for doing all the stupid excrement he's done without any sort of consequence whatsoever, he needs to be brought back to reality
but it's all fizdale's fault the knicks suck
and fvck scott perry for agreeing to go along with all this excrement. his bumbling stuttering dumb derriere can get the fck outta here too
Hard to dispute any of this. I can watch the games just to see Barrett, Mitch, Ntlikina and maybe even Knox come together. We'll have another lottery pick now too. I agree, clean the front office, make whatever deadline deals you can and go from there. Makes the Jets situation look easy lol.
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Back to losing by 30.
Melo looks like a good fit in Portland, good for him.
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At Golden State, tonight's the night!
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At Golden State, tonight's the night!
Called it, won in OT after blowing 22 point lead and 5 point lead with :43 left in 4th. Big game for Morris, first NBA win for Miller. Ten game losing streak is over!
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So...Jets win tonight?
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So...Jets win tonight?
Both teams at 5 wins, it's going down to the wire.
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Back to back wins! 103-101 at Sacramento
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Back to back wins! 103-101 at Sacramento
So are we gonna beat the Steelers?
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So are we gonna beat the Steelers?
Yes the prophecy is fulfilled
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Knicks put up 143 points and have won 3 of 4.
Break em up, best 7-21 team out there.
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Nets wearing "Bed-Stuy" jerseys tonight. I've been to Barclay's, pretty sure it's not in Bed-Stuy.
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Nets just set a record with 8 2-point FGs. The fewest since the shot clock was introduced in 1954, fewest since 1950.
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Third win in a row last night vs Melo and the Blazers. Melo had 26, Mitch Robinson was unstoppable off the pick and roll, 11-11 FG, tied team record. Knicks now 6-6 under Mike Miller.
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We taking the NBA title
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We taking the NBA title
Someday perhaps. I honestly didn't think a coaching change at 4-18 was going to make much difference, but they are playing much better now. I did think the roster was better than what they were doing, very young but a lot of lottery picks with some talent out there. Not sure they'd be a playoff team going into the year but it was confounding the way they were going for a while.
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Anthony Davis telling the Lakers he intends to hit free agency.
I fully expect him to stay there, but it'll be fun seeing Knicks fans get their hopes up just to yet again be crushed.
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Anthony Davis telling the Lakers he intends to hit free agency.
I fully expect him to stay there, but it'll be fun seeing Knicks fans get their hopes up just to yet again be crushed.
We have Mitch Robinson, will be better.
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Anthony Davis telling the Lakers he intends to hit free agency.
I fully expect him to stay there, but it'll be fun seeing Knicks fans get their hopes up just to yet again be crushed.
we dont agree often, but at least theres always the knicks to make fun of
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fr, i hope davis signs with brooklyn, just for the lulz
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This is what happens when you let the inmates run the asylum
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fr, i hope davis signs with brooklyn, just for the lulz
Their big signings are working out so well.
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0-4 west coast trip in the books. Good thing for college ball.
Portis got 2 flagrants in 2 nights.
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Knicks-Pelicans tonight, Zion is yet to suit up.
Late game is Dallas and the Lakers, KP also battling a knee issue and has been out.
Knicks are playing 4D chess.
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Anthony Davis telling the Lakers he intends to hit free agency.
I fully expect him to stay there, but it'll be fun seeing Knicks fans get their hopes up just to yet again be crushed.
ANTHONY DAVIS WILL SIGN IN NY!!! WE HAVE THE BEST EYEBROW WAXERS IN THE COUNTRY!!! HE WILL LOVE IT HERE!!!!!!
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ANTHONY DAVIS WILL SIGN IN NY!!! WE HAVE THE BEST EYEBROW WAXERS IN THE COUNTRY!!! HE WILL LOVE IT HERE!!!!!!
Had you tied that to AD playing in the same state that's represented by Pelosi in the Senate I'd have had to check the official feed to make sure it wasn't real.
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Knicks have talked to Pistons about Andre Drummond trade, SNY source confirms.
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Knicks have talked to Pistons about Andre Drummond trade, SNY source confirms.
The final piece of the puzzle.
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BREAKING...Knicks win, beat Heat.
freak all things Miami.
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In getting smoked at home last night there was a fight during the game and Dolan had a fan thrown out while the crowd chanted "Sell the team". And we have half a season left.
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/back-cover-22.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=390)
Makes the Jets look like a well oiled machine.
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Bit of a douche move by Crowder to shoot the 3, but what the freak was Payton thinking?
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Bit of a douche move by Crowder to shoot the 3, but what the freak was Payton thinking?
You're pros, if a guy shoots a 3 defend it. I tell the kids I coach the same thing, don't worry about the other team, worry about playing better.
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Bit of a douche move by Crowder to shoot the 3, but what the freak was Payton thinking?
his thoughts were 'can't beat them during the actual game bc i/we suck, so might as well get my shot in over something pointless now'
the knicks are truly an abomination
if i ever see either james dolan or steve mills in the street they are going to catch a fade. i'm not going to beat up scott perry but he should get his stuttering dumbass the freak outta here too
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his thoughts were 'can't beat them during the actual game bc i/we suck, so might as well get my shot in over something pointless now'
the knicks are truly an abomination
if i ever see either james dolan or steve mills in the street they are going to catch a fade. i'm not going to beat up scott perry but he should get his stuttering dumbass the freak outta here too
Elite post
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You know d sw0rds is pissed and means business when he uses the letter U.
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https://reddit.com/r/datascience/comments/ew910q/how_to_make_a_career_in_data_analysis_in_sports/fg38t2d/
fuckin dolan
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Steve Mills is out, finally
freak off
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LMAO
"SELL THE TEAM" is currently trending on Twitter. One of the tweets said exactly what I was thinking when I saw it trending:
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i love that “sell the team” is trending on twitter and you don’t even have to look to know who and what it is about .. Jim Dolan is a fool
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Apparently Dolan is going hard after Masai.
https://youtu.be/_lOuIlQeCMo
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the knicks 'parted ways' with steve mills, but he is actually still here
dolan is so fvcking toxic. be prepared to hear the rumors of us looking at isaiah thomas again for president
the only reason why dolan did this is because of the sell the team chants in the garden last week. you know that got his panties up in a bunch, and this is the result. this move isn't because dolan is smart or he is seeing the light of how shitty mills was
ujiri is not coming here lol. he's not. he's a smart man. if he comes here it'll be to bellichick us 'I quit as Pres of the NYK'.
and what's with the savior complex around this team? it's always 'We have to get LeBron. We have to get Carmelo. We have to get KD and Kyrie. We have to get Giannis in 2 years. We have to get Masai'. Stop being fvcking dumb and you won't be wallowing in the pits of the league for two decades, that's all it fvcking takes. They can't do this
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be prepared to hear the rumors of us looking at isaiah thomas again for president
It's just unbelievable on so many levels how this is actually plausible.
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Yet I can relay that there are a couple of promising signals if you are indeed rooting for Ujiri to land at Madison Square Garden — arguably more tangible evidence than we had that the Knicks were in the free-agent lead for Durant and Irving.
Two people in the league whom I trust deeply for their reads on this situation have been telling me since December, when the Knicks fired Coach David Fizdale after a 4-18 start, that Ujiri intends to maneuver his way to the Knicks after his moves helped the Raptors win a championship last season.
Marc Stein
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Marcus Morris traded to LA Clippers for Moe Harkless’ expiring contract and other assets
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Yet I can relay that there are a couple of promising signals if you are indeed rooting for Ujiri to land at Madison Square Garden — arguably more tangible evidence than we had that the Knicks were in the free-agent lead for Durant and Irving.
Two people in the league whom I trust deeply for their reads on this situation have been telling me since December, when the Knicks fired Coach David Fizdale after a 4-18 start, that Ujiri intends to maneuver his way to the Knicks after his moves helped the Raptors win a championship last season.
Marc Stein
This aged well
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The Knicks are so pee poorly planned with no direction. They'll probably fire Perry now
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And around and around we go
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lmao. the official press release from james dolan via the NYK actually has him saying, in quotes, 'while i am not selling the team...' before explaining how he is going about changing the FO.
talk about a freaking reactionary piece of excrement with an insanely fragile ego. that line confirmed it. all of this excrement literally came from a few hundred fans yelling 'sell the team' at the garden last week. if they didn't do that, things would be exactly the same, mills would still be here
he needs to freaking go
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lmao. the official press release from james dolan via the NYK actually has him saying, in quotes, 'while i am not selling the team...' before explaining how he is going about changing the FO.
talk about a freaking reactionary piece of excrement with an insanely fragile ego. that line confirmed it. all of this excrement literally came from a few hundred fans yelling 'sell the team' at the garden last week. if they didn't do that, things would be exactly the same, mills would still be here
he needs to freaking go
The parallels between him and Reinsdorf are insane.
I'll give Dolan this-at least he spends. Jerry's been living off of the result of Portland taking Sam Bowie over a certain shooting guard from UNC for forty freaking years.
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Leon Rose 1-0 as team president. freak Hardin and Houston, good win.
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Dolan freaking with Spike Lee enough to make Spike bail on the season is the most Dolaniest thing
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Dolan freaking with Spike Lee enough to make Spike bail on the season is the most Dolaniest thing
I'm ok with it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY7Wwi3ERXs
say what you fvcking want about spike as a fan, it doesn't matter. he has literally rocked with this dumbass team through thick and thin and has given dolan tens of millions of dollars as a fan
this is the worst fvcking organization of all time. you can't make this excrement up. all the fvcking bullshit about leon rose and a 'new beginning' and on the same fvcking night, THE SAME FVCKING NIGHT, they show they learned NOTHING from the oakley incident and do something like this to arguably their most diehard fan. it's just plain fvcking stupid, but it keeps happening, no matter who is in charge. it stems from the very fvcking top. again, THE SAME FVCKING NIGHT rose takes over, who by the way took over WITHOUT A PRESS CONFERENCE because of the authoritarian fvcking regime the MSG org is with regards to access to media, excrement like this happens. what the fvck
watch the clips. spike saying that MSG staff are walking on eggshells in fear of their job security goes in line exactly with guiness' story about what he observed regarding dolan's behavior towards employees
spike wasn't even going to say anything until after the knicks dropped their own BS press release about their version of the events that happened, which were apparently completely fvcking fabricated. this is what they do, this totalitarian fvcking joke of an organization. do dumb, stupid excrement, do not let anybody speak to anybody, release lies in press releases and run smear campaigns to always make it look like they can't be doing any wrong
dolan along with jeff wilpon keeps proving himself to be one of the most historic pieces of excrement of all time. get them the fvck out of NY
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spin artists, they're not a basketball organization, just a fvcking congregation of spin artists
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the fvcking state of these press releases LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO
'while i am not selling the team......'
'spike lee and james dolan were shaking hands by the end of the night' LOLOLOL
you cannot find propaganda like this since the fvcking nazi regime
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I don't see what the big deal is for Spike to use the VIP entrance instead of the employee entrance as he's been asked to do. But you know what, if I was Spike, and I had to sit through the absolute disaster this franchise has been, spending the money I spend, I guess I might take issue with it as well.
Given the Knicks absolutely toxic culture on a myriad of levels, this isn't the fight they want to pick. They cultivated the idea that Spike was their super-fan for the better part of thirty years. This couldn't have waited until after the season?! What is the big deal. Is it worth the PR nightmare that they've now asked for by alienating a guy who as d sw0rdz brought up is not only synonymous with the franchise, has not only been a fixture even during the lean years, but has dumped at the very least hundreds of thousands if not 7 figures into the team by virtue of having courtside seemingly forever?
And the spin. LMAO. They are so incredibly inept.
Mets fans get ready-the rumor is Dolan is the interested party in terms of buying the team.
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When I was a kid, I'd be irritated at the attitude that Spike was the epitome of the Knicks superfan. I always thought like "What? I'm a superfan who can't afford to just buy courtside seats and not have to work!"
But the reality is, he's stuck with this shitshow of an organization for far longer than I did.
Dolan is trash. He loves to show off celebrities at the Garden when it's convenient, but he's always happy to excrement on people too. He's an awful person and he needs to be out of sports completely.
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My favorite Dolan clown story is a few years back. The Eagles, an all-time band, were playing the Garden. Dolan worked it into the show contract that he had to open the show with his band.
James. freaking. Dolan.
Opening for The Eagles.
At Madison Square Garden.
On the way in, everyone on line was laughing about it because we were all going in just as his set was ending.
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My favorite Dolan clown story is a few years back. The Eagles, an all-time band, were playing the Garden. Dolan worked it into the show contract that he had to open the show with his band.
James. freaking. Dolan.
Opening for The Eagles.
At Madison Square Garden.
On the way in, everyone on line was laughing about it because we were all going in just as his set was ending.
That is unbelievable.
JD and the Straight Shot opening for The Eagles is like Spike Owen hitting in front of Joe Dimaggio.
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Damn. It just never stops with this guy.
I’d rather keep Wilpon than Dolan. How sad is that?
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Damn. It just never stops with this guy.
I’d rather keep Wilpon than Dolan. How sad is that?
There's a lot of "worst owner in sports" talk about different guys.
Dolan is the worst owner in sports. It's not even a contest. The house his team plays in is legendary. Some of the all-time best players had career games there. And the organization can't convince star free agents to come--in a sport where you can offer a player exactly as much as the maximum anyone else can.
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I don't see what the big deal is for Spike to use the VIP entrance instead of the employee entrance as he's been asked to do. But you know what, if I was Spike, and I had to sit through the absolute disaster this franchise has been, spending the money I spend, I guess I might take issue with it as well.
Given the Knicks absolutely toxic culture on a myriad of levels, this isn't the fight they want to pick. They cultivated the idea that Spike was their super-fan for the better part of thirty years. This couldn't have waited until after the season?! What is the big deal. Is it worth the PR nightmare that they've now asked for by alienating a guy who as d sw0rdz brought up is not only synonymous with the franchise, has not only been a fixture even during the lean years, but has dumped at the very least hundreds of thousands if not 7 figures into the team by virtue of having courtside seemingly forever?
And the spin. LMAO. They are so incredibly inept.
Mets fans get ready-the rumor is Dolan is the interested party in terms of buying the team.
Agreed, but if his story is legit, you could have just said next time can you use the other entrance.
No semblance of empathy
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There's a lot of "worst owner in sports" talk about different guys.
Dolan is the worst owner in sports. It's not even a contest. The house his team plays in is legendary. Some of the all-time best players had career games there. And the organization can't convince star free agents to come--in a sport where you can offer a player exactly as much as the maximum anyone else can.
I'm still putting Melnyk up against him.
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We have good young players and a lot of picks coming up. Usually on a message board that makes everyone happy.
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We have good young players and a lot of picks coming up. Usually on a message board that makes everyone happy.
the NYK developmental staff/program is excrement
advanced stats/analytics department is severely underfunded and more or less non-existent. there is no fvcking excuse for this
we don't have 'good young players'. we have two pieces to continue building with in the future - RJ and Mitch, and both are still very, very imperfect players. there is also something off mentally with Mitch. Frank Ntilikina is fvcking garbage. Knox is trash, weak, a pvssy, and the ugliest nigga in the NBA. there is nobody else to talk about, everybody else is either old/no future here, and/or just plain excrement and overpaid
the outlook of this team, even with the same record, would look DRASTICALLY different, in a good way, with KP still on this team. KP - Mitch - RJ is a solid fvcking young trio to build around. we don't have that
we have picks. you cannot trust the FO or developmental team here to do anything right with those picks. homer knick fans are up in arms about the extra picks we have; they're all going to be in the 24-30 range and chances are will only be replacement level players at best that can be found in FA every year, not 'difference makers' to a franchise.
knick fans are still happy. this is what allows dolan to bone them in the derriere every single year of their lives, and they keep coming back for more
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KP is finally starting to return to form as well. gonna be so fvcking good watching a pure shooting 7'3 big man that can rebound and play D twerk on the league while the knicks languish with fvcking trash and cap space fodder like julius randle, bobby portis et al LMFAO
fvck you steve mills
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The fact that the Knicks weren't willing to include Knox in any AD discussion tells you how absurdly they mis/overvalue their own talent.
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the NYK developmental staff/program is excrement
advanced stats/analytics department is severely underfunded and more or less non-existent. there is no fvcking excuse for this
we don't have 'good young players'. we have two pieces to continue building with in the future - RJ and Mitch, and both are still very, very imperfect players. there is also something off mentally with Mitch. Frank Ntilikina is fvcking garbage. Knox is trash, weak, a pvssy, and the ugliest nigga in the NBA. there is nobody else to talk about, everybody else is either old/no future here, and/or just plain excrement and overpaid
the outlook of this team, even with the same record, would look DRASTICALLY different, in a good way, with KP still on this team. KP - Mitch - RJ is a solid fvcking young trio to build around. we don't have that
we have picks. you cannot trust the FO or developmental team here to do anything right with those picks. homer knick fans are up in arms about the extra picks we have; they're all going to be in the 24-30 range and chances are will only be replacement level players at best that can be found in FA every year, not 'difference makers' to a franchise.
knick fans are still happy. this is what allows dolan to bone them in the derriere every single year of their lives, and they keep coming back for more
I agree about Knox completely, I've seen enough. Still have hopes for Frank, he can be a key piece of a good team if not a star. RJ and Mitch are the keys, haven't given up totally on Dennis Smith Jr, write this year off, he's 24, had a lot of excrement to deal with. Of these seven picks or whatever we need to land 2-3 good players, I'd personally keep Miller, he seems to know what he's doing. We're not in bad cap shape, a lot of short contracts, we can hopefully do what Philly did a couple years back.
Of course this is optimistic, best-case scenario, but it's not impossible.
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the NYK developmental staff/program is excrement
advanced stats/analytics department is severely underfunded and more or less non-existent. there is no fvcking excuse for this
knick fans are still happy. this is what allows dolan to bone them in the derriere every single year of their lives, and they keep coming back for more
I again point to this post: https://reddit.com/r/datascience/comments/ew910q/how_to_make_a_career_in_data_analysis_in_sports/fg38t2d/
It's hilariously sad. I've stopped caring about the team until Dolan is gone, because I don't know how the hell the Knicks will ever win in the NBA without completely lucking into it, despite them still somehow being the most valuable franchise in the league
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There's a lot of "worst owner in sports" talk about different guys.
Dolan is the worst owner in sports. It's not even a contest. The house his team plays in is legendary. Some of the all-time best players had career games there. And the organization can't convince star free agents to come--in a sport where you can offer a player exactly as much as the maximum anyone else can.
https://twitter.com/cbcjlong/status/1235223784707231747?s=19
Your move, Dolan.
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Knicks are bringing in Atkinson for an interview according to Ian Begley.
Why wouldn't you guys just hire Thibs and be done with it. He might be an ornery fucker but the son of a bitch can coach.
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Knicks are bringing in Atkinson for an interview according to Ian Begley.
Why wouldn't you guys just hire Thibs and be done with it. He might be an ornery fucker but the son of a bitch can coach.
Thibs is the front-runner, but I'd prefer Atkinson.
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if the team truly is dedicating themselves to team/youth development via the draft, atkinson would be the best choice as HC for a team like that
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Hiring Thibs would be awful, so it's probably what the Knicks will do
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Get Thibs to get these jerkoffs in character
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Get Thibs to get these jerkoffs in character
How is Thibs going to get trash derriere players into character? Most of the entire team talent wise is trash, and hiring Thibs will do nothing to change that.
Other than Barrett, Mitch, and Dotson as a bench/role player, everybody else on the team is trash with absolutely no future on the team
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Other than Barrett, Mitch, and Dotson as a bench/role player, everybody else on the team is trash with absolutely no future on the team
Knicks are going to trade RJ Barrett and Mitch for a washed former superstar and then sign Chris Paul to play point.
The team will be an eighth seed and then crumble ASAP.
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How is Thibs going to get trash derriere players into character? Most of the entire team talent wise is trash, and hiring Thibs will do nothing to change that.
Other than Barrett, Mitch, and Dotson as a bench/role player, everybody else on the team is trash with absolutely no future on the team
I realise that Frank was drafted too high and has failed to show really much of anything so far, but he's still really young and with some good coaching I think there's maybe a decent player in there. I don't think he's ever going to be anything special but I wouldn't give up on him just yet, he has shown signs of being able to play some decent defense and I think he's got the potential to at least be a bench player.
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How is Thibs going to get trash derriere players into character? Most of the entire team talent wise is trash, and hiring Thibs will do nothing to change that.
Other than Barrett, Mitch, and Dotson as a bench/role player, everybody else on the team is trash with absolutely no future on the team
Thibs can be an poopchute, I could see him being a prick to the beat writers who will bitch and moan, and I could see him telling Dolan to freak off if trust-fund baby Jim wants to get involved in personnel decisions.
He knows how to develop young talent and his players play for him. Jimmy Butler blossomed into a star under his watch, who knows what the team would've achieved if Rose doesn't get hurt. His firing from Chicago was handled horribly by GarPax and while hindsight is 20-20, the fans wanted them gone and him in charge which would've been the correct decision to make.
I understand the desire for Atkinson, he's proven to have been able to mold a young roster into a cohesive team and get younger players to play at or over their heads for him. He's also coached in New York even if Brooklyn isn't MSG and the Nets are the red-headed stepchild.
I wouldn't be disappointed with either in your position, but as you said it's all about the talent and the cupboard doesn't have much behind RJ and Mitch.
Knicks are going to trade RJ Barrett and Mitch for a washed former superstar and then sign Chris Paul to play point.
The team will be an eighth seed and then crumble ASAP.
Sounds about right.
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I realise that Frank was drafted too high and has failed to show really much of anything so far, but he's still really young and with some good coaching I think there's maybe a decent player in there. I don't think he's ever going to be anything special but I wouldn't give up on him just yet, he has shown signs of being able to play some decent defense and I think he's got the potential to at least be a bench player.
for the next couple of years of his life frank ntilikina will make a living in the nba based off of his 'defensive' reputation, but i kid you not this is the biggest fvcking myth in the league. he certainly looks the part and has the length/body to be an elite nba defender, but he's just a fckin high effort try-hard on that end of the court without anything to show for it. opposing guards come to MSG and clap his fcking cheeks on the regular all the fcking time. this is not hyperbole, this occurs on the fckin regular. enough is e-freaking-nough. he is not worth the words i am giving to this post
his knick career is literally being held up right now by fans who are, and i again want to iterate that this is not hyperbole, borderline gay for him and literally go crazy over any little menial thing that he does. they literally jerk off to the 'drip' he wears prior to arriving to the games like it's a fcking accomplishment, and to top it all off he doesn't even fcking dress well. 5 PPG derriere player 3 years in a row for the 8th overall pick, let's call a spade a spade.
i honestly cannot think of anybody else in the league that comes away with so little from the supposed 'talent' or 'potential' they seem to possess. everything else aside, that would make him the worst player in the league for me, but then i remember that this team also has dennis sniff jr
there is nothing enjoyable about this team. there is so much truth to what heismanberg posted. we can postulate about the moves that the knicks could and should make, but chances are more than anything we'll trade RJ and Mitch to go for guys like chris paul and kevin love. MSG will continue to sell out
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for the next couple of years of his life frank ntilikina will make a living in the nba based off of his 'defensive' reputation, but i kid you not this is the biggest fvcking myth in the league. he certainly looks the part and has the length/body to be an elite nba defender, but he's just a fckin high effort try-hard on that end of the court without anything to show for it. opposing guards come to MSG and clap his fcking cheeks on the regular all the fcking time. this is not hyperbole, this occurs on the fckin regular. enough is e-freaking-nough. he is not worth the words i am giving to this post
his knick career is literally being held up right now by fans who are, and i again want to iterate that this is not hyperbole, borderline gay for him and literally go crazy over any little menial thing that he does. they literally jerk off to the 'drip' he wears prior to arriving to the games like it's a fcking accomplishment, and to top it all off he doesn't even fcking dress well. 5 PPG derriere player 3 years in a row for the 8th overall pick, let's call a spade a spade.
i honestly cannot think of anybody else in the league that comes away with so little from the supposed 'talent' or 'potential' they seem to possess. everything else aside, that would make him the worst player in the league for me, but then i remember that this team also has dennis sniff jr
there is nothing enjoyable about this team. there is so much truth to what heismanberg posted. we can postulate about the moves that the knicks could and should make, but chances are more than anything we'll trade RJ and Mitch to go for guys like chris paul and kevin love. MSG will continue to sell out
Dude, I've got nothing. I bow to you on this one.
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Most of it is going to depend on Rose and what players he brings in. I'd keep Miller, but as long as we keep RJ and Mitch Robinson, that's what matters.
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early days but i'm already sour on rose. this is purely based off of his decision to retain perry. there is no denying perry's involvement in the absolutely horrible roster construction and 'cap space management' of this team, and a decision to keep him is indefensible. retaining him either points to incompetence or laziness on rose's part, neither of which is a good look
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Most of it is going to depend on Rose and what players he brings in. I'd keep Miller, but as long as we keep RJ and Mitch Robinson, that's what matters.
I'd trade both of them for Donovan Mitchell.
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Thibs can be an poopchute, I could see him being a prick to the beat writers who will bitch and moan, and I could see him telling Dolan to freak off if trust-fund baby Jim wants to get involved in personnel decisions.
He knows how to develop young talent and his players play for him. Jimmy Butler blossomed into a star under his watch, who knows what the team would've achieved if Rose doesn't get hurt. His firing from Chicago was handled horribly by GarPax and while hindsight is 20-20, the fans wanted them gone and him in charge which would've been the correct decision to make.
I understand the desire for Atkinson, he's proven to have been able to mold a young roster into a cohesive team and get younger players to play at or over their heads for him. He's also coached in New York even if Brooklyn isn't MSG and the Nets are the red-headed stepchild.
I wouldn't be disappointed with either in your position, but as you said it's all about the talent and the cupboard doesn't have much behind RJ and Mitch.
Sounds about right.
You know Thibs had another coaching stop after Chicago right? He had two young stars picked #1 overall in KAT and Wiggins, got Jimmy back, and couldn't do excrement. He outright failed to develop Wiggins (and develop him defensively as would have been expected), and KAT still is derriere defensively.
He's a terrible coach for the modern NBA too with his absolute refusal to rotate players. The development point doesn't seem to make much sense with how Minnesota went. What's the upside with hiring him again?
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What's the upside with hiring him again?
He's tough and white!
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Pretty sure Andrew Wiggins just sucks, but I get your point
Actually, he doesn't suck, he's just soft
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Pretty sure Andrew Wiggins just sucks, but I get your point
Yeah moreso a point about how Thibs, the supposed defensive mastermind, couldn't even get anything out of a guy that (at least when drafted) was seen as having the potential to be the best defensive wing in the NBA.
And if that's the case then I don't see how he would make any sense as a hire at all besides he was a good (defensive) coach in the era before NBA teams made it rain from 3 no matter what, which means effectively nothing now
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Yeah moreso a point about how Thibs, the supposed defensive mastermind, couldn't even get anything out of a guy that (at least when drafted) was seen as having the potential to be the best defensive wing in the NBA.
And if that's the case then I don't see how he would make any sense as a hire at all besides he was a good (defensive) coach in the era before NBA teams made it rain from 3 no matter what, which means effectively nothing now
It's the case because Frank Ntilikina is the best defensive player in the history of the NBA, so Thibs won't have to coach him.
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It's the case because Frank Ntilikina is the best defensive player in the history of the NBA, so Thibs won't have to coach him.
LOL, I didn't realise you lot were so sensitive about him. I only suggested that he might still be serviceable with some good coaching, I apologise for striking a nerve I didn't know was so sore!
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LOL, I didn't realise you lot were so sensitive about him. I only suggested that he might still be serviceable with some good coaching, I apologise for striking a nerve I didn't know was so sore!
The Knicks passed on Dennis Smith Jr. for Frank, regretted it, then traded the best player the franchise has had in decades for DSJ.
Smith is also terrible and why do I follow this excrement team? freak my life.
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It's the case because Frank Ntilikina is the best defensive player in the history of the NBA, so Thibs won't have to coach him.
Frank looked ok for the French team that one time.
I expect absolutely nothing of value from the Knicks anyway, so meh. No one on the team is particularly special or good. Mitch and RJ are just alright pieces and there's nothing else, which is hilariously sad for a team that's been bad for the good part of two decades and hasn't won more than 32 games in half a decade.
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The Knicks passed on Dennis Smith Jr. for Frank, regretted it, then traded the best player the franchise has had in decades for DSJ.
Smith is also terrible and why do I follow this excrement team? freak my life.
I remember you swearing blind that you were done with them if they traded Shumpert.
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I remember you swearing blind that you were done with them if they traded Shumpert.
I'm still very angry about that
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I don't want the Knicks to get Atkinson back so it's probably the right move for them.
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You know Thibs had another coaching stop after Chicago right? He had two young stars picked #1 overall in KAT and Wiggins, got Jimmy back, and couldn't do excrement. He outright failed to develop Wiggins (and develop him defensively as would have been expected), and KAT still is derriere defensively.
He's a terrible coach for the modern NBA too with his absolute refusal to rotate players. The development point doesn't seem to make much sense with how Minnesota went. What's the upside with hiring him again?
Lol wut. Terrible coach for the modern NBA? What time period were those Rose-less Bulls that still got 40 + wins and a trip to the finals playing in, the 80's?
He went to a Minnesota team that was soft as excrement, tried bringing in a little jam to the squad and as soon as Butler got there he saw how soft Wiggins and KAT was and said "freak this." And who can blame him? Andrew Wiggins sucks donkey derriere and KAT will NEVER be a winning player unless he's a third or fourth fiddle on an alpha squad.
He's tough and white!
Boiling a guy down to his skin color as opposed to a very demonstrated resume, how long until you dye your hair blue and start identifying as ze?
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Thibs voted for Trump
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Lol wut. Terrible coach for the modern NBA? What time period were those Rose-less Bulls that still got 40 + wins and a trip to the finals playing in, the 80's?
He went to a Minnesota team that was soft as excrement, tried bringing in a little jam to the squad and as soon as Butler got there he saw how soft Wiggins and KAT was and said "freak this." And who can blame him? Andrew Wiggins sucks donkey derriere and KAT will NEVER be a winning player unless he's a third or fourth fiddle on an alpha squad.
Thibs made the conference finals once, in 2010-11 (i.e. a decade ago), and last made the conference semifinals in 2014-15. To give him the most credit possible, let's use numbers from 2014-15, also his last year in Chicago.
In 2014-15, teams shot 7.8/22.4 on 3s per game (35%) and scored 100 PPG. The league's top offense averaged 110 PPG. And that was at the beginning of the 3-point revolution.
In 2019-20, teams shot 12.1/33.9 on 3s per game (35.7%, averaging 50% more attempted per game) and scored 111 PPG (AVERAGING 1 more than the league's leading scorer in 2014-15). The top scoring team averaged 118.6 PPG.
In 2014-15, Blake Griffin shot 25 3-pointers total in 80 games played. In 2018-19, he shot 7.0 per game.
In 2014-15, Robin Lopez shot 10 3-pointers total. In 2018-19, he shot 6.3 per game.
It's a completely different NBA now. Hiring Thibs would be a pointless hark back to the past unless he's adapted his coaching style, which I'm guessing is unlikely.
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Also, Thibs still couldn't accomplish anything with Jimmy on the squad alongside a couple of talented players in a more modern NBA, why would the result be different on the Knicks where it's effectively the same situation minus the talented players and Butler?
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https://twitter.com/pablotorre/status/1267617848207249411?s=21
Uh wow
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lol what a cowardly shithead
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he is such a small fcking man
i will never forget him legitimizing the 'sell the team' chants by the fans by actually using an official team press release to address it. 'while i will not be selling the team,....___' LMFAOO. how fckin sensitive and feeble minded could you be? having this occur as a fan is awesome; he's too dumb to realize how small that line revealed him to be and how writing a press release like that is completely beneath the level of what a team owner should be
this is another doozy of a fckin message. he is a complete fckin joke
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he is such a small fcking man
i will never forget him legitimizing the 'sell the team' chants by the fans by actually using an official team press release to address it. 'while i will not be selling the team,....___' LMFAOO. how fckin sensitive and feeble minded could you be? having this occur as a fan is awesome; he's too dumb to realize how small that line revealed him to be and how writing a press release like that is completely beneath the level of what a team owner should be
this is another doozy of a fckin message. he is a complete fckin joke
Can't disagree with this. We were a good team for 15 years before he took over and not in 20 years since. Can't be a coincidence.
MSG has been showing some good excrement from the early Ewing era, with Mark Jackson, Gerald Wilkins, those were fun teams.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/knicks-to-interview-ime-udoka-pat-delany-chris-fleming-for-head-coaching-job-per-reports/
Go get Udoka
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The Knicks are hiring World Wide Wes as an advisor
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Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
The New York Knicks and Tom Thibodeau are finalizing a five-year deal to make him the franchise’s next coach, sources tell ESPN.
lmao
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Woodson back as an assistant. I always liked him, he's the easiest coach to draw.
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The Knicks are putting together a package for Chris Paul.
This team is really gonna trade a ton for a 35 year point guard and bring back Carmelo.
garbage
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The Knicks are putting together a package for Chris Paul.
This team is really gonna trade a ton for a 35 year point guard and bring back Carmelo.
garbage
It would have worked in 2008!
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It would have worked in 2008!
Kind of like when we got Steve Francis and Penny Hardaway. That can't be the plan.
Gave up Ariza to get Francis, if I remember right.
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NEW YORK KNICKS ON MSG
@KnicksMSGN
wishing a Happy Birthday to a legend, Charlie Ward!
#NewYorkForever
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@Knicks
Trade for Kemba Walker
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@Knicks
Trade for Kemba Walker
kyrie and kemba were FAs last year. they ended up with elfrid payton
there's levels to this excrement
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Knicks aren't going in the big FA market right now, I don't think. Not sure what they will do but I'm not sensing they're looking to land any big ticket players. Interested in what they do tomorrow, would love to get Myles Powell.
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1329067467814154240?s=21
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Interesting to do that before you actually know who is on the board. Obviously they do not like 28 players in this class
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Two of the top 23 players now.
https://twitter.com/ptknicksblog/status/1329074622956900354?s=19
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Two of the top 23 players now.
https://twitter.com/ptknicksblog/status/1329074622956900354?s=19
That's not how it works. The Knicks will draft two bottom 50 players within the Top 23 picks.
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Interesting to do that before you actually know who is on the board. Obviously they do not like 28 players in this class
Could be acquiring the pick to move up
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That's not how it works. The Knicks will draft two bottom 50 players within the Top 23 picks.
LOL I'm trying to be positive for one day at least. RJ Barrett isn't asking to leave yet, maybe there's hope with a Leon Rose draft. We've never had luck with free agents, maybe a truly young team is the way to go. We haven't done that since the Ewing, Mark Jackson, Gerald Wilkins years. There were a couple years with Nate and David Lee where we had two good young players but the rest of the team wasn't.
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Could be acquiring the pick to move up
How much higher is 23 going to get them? 4 at best?
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How much higher is 23 going to get them? 4 at best?
8 + 23 + Mavs future 1
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Could be acquiring the pick to move up
i was going to say this. the talent dropoff after the first 2-3 picks is big and we're not getting two of the top 23, we have two picks for players in the 8-23 range, which by all estimations won't be franchise altering
i'm gonna LOL if they package up all of these picks to move up just to get a guy like toppin
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8 + 23 + Mavs future 1
With the Mavs pick, I feel pretty certain that’s going to be a not well sought after pick due to Luka’s performance. It’s going to be late in the draft order. Sure it might help a smidge but no one is taking that pick thinking it’s going to be a lottery pick.
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https://twitter.com/knickschool/status/1329142446584958979?s=21
I’ll accept my asst. GM position now
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i was going to say this. the talent dropoff after the first 2-3 picks is big and we're not getting two of the top 23, we have two picks for players in the 8-23 range, which by all estimations won't be franchise altering
i'm gonna LOL if they package up all of these picks to move up just to get a guy like toppin
I’m all in on Obi Toppin
Obviously 90% because of his name
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Cavs beat writer:
Kelsey Russo @kelseyyrusso
The Cavs and Knicks have discussed trading the No. 5 pick for 8 and 23, but the Cavs are holding out for more, sources told @TheAthleticNBA. For reference, the Pelicans and Hawks swapped 4 for 8, 17 and 35, among other pieces, in a draft-day deal last year.
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They are gonna try to move up for Ball
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They are gonna try to move up for Ball
Sure seems like he’s going to Charlotte.
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Knicks took Toppin seemed like the ESPN guys wanted them to take the Iowa State PG
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i'm gonna LOL if they package up all of these picks to move up just to get a guy like toppin
Called it. (Kinda.) Poor lad is distraught about going to the Knicks.
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i was going to say this. the talent dropoff after the first 2-3 picks is big and we're not getting two of the top 23, we have two picks for players in the 8-23 range, which by all estimations won't be franchise altering
i'm gonna LOL if they package up all of these picks to move up just to get a guy like toppin
Got him anyway and we're back up at 23.
Let's go!
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Good pick at 8
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Not a fan of Obi or trading up at 23 (since it doesn't seem like they're gonna flip it), but we'll see
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We did need another 6-9 forward.
I forgot we still have Randle. Can't wait to watch him spin into the lane and turn the ball over 10 times a game.
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At 23 Knicks drafted Leandro Bolmaro
A guy that wasn’t even mentioned as an option by the panel again. I find it surprising that they needed to trade up to secure him.
Apparently they are expecting him to stay in Argentina for now
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Apparently the Knicks just traded him to the TWolves for 25 and 33.
I’d say that makes it clear that the trade from 27 to 23 was an attempt to move up that didn’t happen
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Myles Powell went undrafted, hoping the Knicks sign him.
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Myles Powell went undrafted, hoping the Knicks sign him.
https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1329475194516369408?s=20
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https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1329475194516369408?s=20
Yeah baby!!
https://twitter.com/sny_knicks/status/1329474708400640000
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Here for the Myles Powell signing
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This was a good draft
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This was a good draft
It is now. I have something to root for regardless of how bad the team is. Powell should at least make the team and hopefully get in there, he's always played great at the Garden.
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The Knicks declined team option on Bobby Portis ($15.7M) and waived Taj Gibson ($10.29M) and Elfrid Payton ($8M), sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium. Frees up salary space for New York.
IM READY LETS GO
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John Fanta
@John_Fanta (https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1329489602479091715)
Myles Powell's point totals in the final 6 games at Madison Square Garden in his Seton Hall career:
28 vs. Kentucky
26 vs. St. John's
31 vs. Georgetown (BET)
22 vs. Marquette (BET)
25 vs. Villanova (BET)
29 vs. St. John's
That's an average of 28.6 points. #Knicks #shbb
1:19 PM · Nov 19, 2020
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Ellington, Pinson, and Wooten gone.
$40 total cap space freed up.
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Ellington, Pinson, and Wooten gone.
$40 total cap space freed up.
Only previous players I care about keeping are RJ Barrett, Mitch Robinson and Frank Ntlikina.
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Only previous players I care about keeping are RJ Barrett, Mitch Robinson and Frank Ntlikina.
Frank is terrible
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Frank is terrible
Good defender, will likely never justify where we drafted him. Of the three I'd be least upset by him going.
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Frank is gonna be back in France within the next 3 years
He is up there as one of the shittiest players I have ever seen/watched. definitely the softest player i've ever seen. knick fan reddit jerks off to him because of his 'drip', which is actually horrible too. he is such a shitty player, i'm tired of seeing him and tired of him talked about as a prospect. he is excrement. he air balls more shots than he hits, has no aggressiveness or urgency to his game, cannot lead or set up an offense. he is also the most overrated defensive player i have ever seen. his defense is so fvcin mid, but knick fans jerk off to his defense because he is a try-hard on that end of the floor. he gets his cheeks clapped regularly on the defensive end. spencer fvckin dinwiddie has had multiple career games against frank LMAO.
knox is also a lost cause but he is not actually worth the energy it'll take to write why he has no future in the league
RJ, Mitch, Dotson are the only talents worth keeping on this team. RJ and Mitch are very imperfect. Mitch needs to work on consistency and mental toughness as well as basketball IQ.
I like RJ but there are going to be 'limits' to his stardom that I don't think he can actually improve/overcome. he can run in a straight line very fast but other than that, his lateral mobility/agility with and without the ball is very limited. driving/moving to their left or right is something basic that all great players possess, and he doesn't have much, if any, lateral wiggle. also, he just dribbles the ball way too high and i don't think he can get low. every time he drives or attacks with the ball, defenders' eyes are wide open because they feel they'll be able to steal the ball off of him, and it embarrassingly happened multiple times this season. i feel his ceiling on this team will be as a #2 type guy at his best.
the form on his J is great but his shot is still so excrement/inconsistent. this is something i think he can actually work/improve on.
this team is so devoid of talent
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RJ, Mitch, and Obi will be fun to watch. The team will still be buns though.
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Wow, I forgot all about Dotson and Knox. I don't see Knox ever being good, Dotson is a streaky shooter. It will be fun to watch a young Knicks team though.
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Ellington, Pinson, and Wooten gone.
$40 total cap space freed up.
Taj and Portis declined their player options. Payton is out too. Pretty much everyone is gone.
I'd like to see Gibson come back on a cheap, one year deal to backup Mitch.
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RJ, Mitch, and Obi will be fun to watch. The team will still be buns though.
Do you like RJ now? I seem to recall you not being a fan.
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Do you like RJ now? I seem to recall you not being a fan.
I am not a fan. I still hope we trade him, but that trio should at least be fun offensively.
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The New York Knicks have been “aggressive in their pursuit” of Gordon Hayward, via @TheSteinLine
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1329556734977970179?s=21
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1329556734977970179?s=21
for what
Leon Rose gonna own all of the shitty 2023 second rounders by the end of the week
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https://twitter.com/NYPost_Berman/status/1329558468064403463?s=20
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RJ + Toppin + Mitch is an exciting core
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RJ + Toppin + Mitch is an exciting core
No it's not. The ceiling of any of these players is probably the third best player on a championship team in the modern NBA.
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No it's not. The ceiling of any of these players is probably the third best player on a championship team in the modern NBA.
Why don't you like Toppin?
HE'S TOO OLD!
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Why don't you like Toppin?
HE'S TOO OLD!
Nothing overly wrong with him. I just don't see a high ceiling. Probably will be like a Tobias Harris kind of player which is fine but not anything besides a good starter on a championship level team. Hopefully I'm wrong and it's higher, though.
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No it's not. The ceiling of any of these players is probably the third best player on a championship team in the modern NBA.
So if you were to add two top pieces then you are golden!
Problem is how the Knicks go about doing so
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Why don't you like Toppin?
HE'S TOO OLD!
i have some doubts about him, and they are mostly if not all defensive. his back to the basket game surprised me and i think it's something that he'll keep working on and improving with in the pros. he reminds me a little bit of amare
age is usually one of the red flags i have for prospects but that's more so because of time/experience amassed as opposed to the 'number' of the age. any 22 year old ncaa player is going to look great after having 3+ years at that level and playing against 17-19 year olds, thus becoming a little overrated (see evan turner). for toppin it's a little bit different. functionally he was only a 'sophomore' and even had that season cut short by corona, yet he still excelled against players of similar experience. age shouldn't be one of the cons against him
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So if you were to add two top pieces then you are golden!
Problem is how the Knicks go about doing so
better not be by throwing 20+ at FVV
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he reminds me a little bit of amare
He reminds me of a finesse Amare and a little bit of Drew Gooden. But Toppin can actually shoot it which is nice.
For a new front office and coaching staff, I think he's a strong pick as a core player. He's not a superstar by any means but you're likely not getting one at #8 in a draft with no superstars. He's a player that will want to be in New York too.
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better not be by throwing 20+ at FVV
I think that's the plan, unfortunately. I'd rather they just go get DJ Augustin on the cheap.
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Please just get rid of Julius Randle.
Bring back Taj Gibson. Ed David and Gibson give the team strong, defensive-minded vets.
I don't feel great about the Thibs hire, but his teams are going to play bully ball on defense.
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He reminds me of a finesse Amare and a little bit of Drew Gooden. But Toppin can actually shoot it which is nice.
For a new front office and coaching staff, I think he's a strong pick as a core player. He's not a superstar by any means but you're likely not getting one at #8 in a draft with no superstars. He's a player that will want to be in New York too.
i hope that part of the reason why we drafted toppin was also because we know we'd have a 'hole' at that spot in the near future
more than anything i want/need to see the knicks decline the team option on randle after this year. shitty gyrating turnover prone bum looking motherfuckers gotta go
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Please just get rid of Julius Randle.
i did not see this post before i made my post lmaoooo
he's so fvcking bad
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Are we going to bring back Melo?
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I think that's the plan, unfortunately. I'd rather they just go get DJ Augustin on the cheap.
I don't think it's going to work, the last couple of days there's been a lot of optimism in the Toronto press that Fred will re-sign here.
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I don't think it's going to work, the last couple of days there's been a lot of optimism in the Toronto press that Fred will re-sign here.
I hope he re-signs with the Raps. I'd be happy to have him as the PG in New York if the team was a little more built out. He's a way better fit there and Flynn can learn from him.
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I hope he re-signs with the Raps. I'd be happy to have him as the PG in New York if the team was a little more built out. He's a way better fit there and Flynn can learn from him.
This is the last year of Kyle's deal and they're not going to give him huge money again, Fred plays the 2 a lot with him so it's not like if we give Fred $20M+ he's going to be wanting for minutes and he's likely the starting 1 in 21/22. Suspect now they've drafted Flynn they'll cut Davis for being a queynte.
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Leon Rose is about to go all out for ...Davis Bertans
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No it's not. The ceiling of any of these players is probably the third best player on a championship team in the modern NBA.
*for the Knicks
When was the last time they’ve had any promising young talent?
Imagine if Knox and Ntilikina weren’t useless
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I think this team is gearing up for one more tank.
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Signed Alec Burks to 1 year $6 million. Hopefully Marcus Morris 2.0
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The New York Knicks have been “aggressive in their pursuit” of Gordon Hayward, via @TheSteinLine
Signing with Charlotte
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Are we going to bring back Melo?
Saved by the Blazers.
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knicks signed nerlens noel
i think it's a good deal. he's probably being signed to be the 'backup' center but we all know he's going to end up taking minutes from mitch, which will be unfortunate
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knicks signed nerlens noel
i think it's a good deal. he's probably being signed to be the 'backup' center but we all know he's going to end up taking minutes from mitch, which will be unfortunate
Mitch takes minutes from Mitch when he commits three silly fouls early. Until he learns not to do that we need somebody else.
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They are very similar players.
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Signing Austin Rivers to 1-year deal
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Signing Austin Rivers to 1-year deal
Deal is actually 3 years, $10 million
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Damn, I hate Rivers
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Damn, I hate Rivers
I didn't like when we traded Mark Jackson for Doc Rivers. And even though we won 60 games with Doc in 1993, I thought the team was better with Derek Harper, who replaced him the following season when Doc got hurt.
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https://twitter.com/etiennecatalan/status/1330914478171578369?s=10
This is clean AF
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Sloppy Toppin
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I'm guessing Powell will be #13. I don't think we have one and we didn't retire it for Luc Longley.
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not a big loss but just not sure why we didn't sign dotson to the 2 yr/4 mil deal he got from the cavs. it's not an obnoxious amount of money
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Deal is actually 3 years, $10 million
Final 2 years of the deal are non-guaranteed.
Despite Austin Rivers being garbo this is a very good deal
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https://twitter.com/etiennecatalan/status/1330914478171578369?s=10
This is clean AF
Going all in on the Amare comparison
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EniPmTBXUAIIF5l?format=jpg&name=large)
I still have a Sprewell jersey, white one.
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Obi-One Kenobi
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I still have a Sprewell jersey, white one.
same, a warriors white.
ill never be able to thank him enough for choking out that bitch pj carlesimo and getting run out of town for doing what we all wanted to do
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same, a warriors white.
ill never be able to thank him enough for choking out that bitch pj carlesimo and getting run out of town for doing what we all wanted to do
I'm a Seton Hall fan so I always liked PJ, was pissed when he left for the pros but I understood.
At first I hated the Sprewell trade because we gave up Starks, who was an all time favorite, but Spree grew on me quickly the way he played. Once they got rolling that 99 team was awesome, I think the best of the Ewing era. You can put 1992 and 1994 up there too, but that 99 team with Childs, Sprewell and Camby off the bench was totally different and more dynamic.
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The #Knicks draft capital going forward:
2021:
Own 1st round pick
Mavs 1st rd pick
1st round pick-swap option w/ LAC
2022:
Own 1st
Own 2nd
2023:
Own 1st
Mavs 1st (protected 1-10)
Own 2nd
DET's 2nd
Utah's 2nd
2024:
Own 1st
Own 2nd
CLE's 2nd
2026:
Own 1st
Own 2nd
MIN's 2nd
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I also am embarrassed to admit I own a Stephon Marbury jersey
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Just signed MKG to a one year deal
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Tonight, 7 pm on MSG vs Detroit. Got it recording, hoping Myles gets some time and makes the team.
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https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1337559062351814656?s=21
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https://twitter.com/legionhoops/status/1337554048560418817?s=21
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https://twitter.com/legionhoops/status/1337554048560418817?s=21
Been there.
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RJ ended up with a good game. Perimeter shooting at game speed takes a while to come back, that's not his primary offensive tool anyway.
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RJ ended up with a good game. Perimeter shooting at game speed takes a while to come back, that's not his primary offensive tool anyway.
I hope we trade him
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I hope we trade him
I got his jersey, so they will
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RJ ended up with a good game. Perimeter shooting at game speed takes a while to come back, that's not his primary offensive tool anyway.
he never had it in the first place so nothing's going to come back
not hopeful from that shooting display. if he wants to overcome his lack of lateral mobility/agility he's going to have to shoot better. otherwise his ceiling is going to be a limited SF at best
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frank ntilikina needs to be deported back to france
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he never had it in the first place so nothing's going to come back
not hopeful from that shooting display. if he wants to overcome his lack of lateral mobility/agility he's going to have to shoot better. otherwise his ceiling is going to be a limited SF at best
He's 19 or 20. No reason he can't improve his shooting, it's the easiest thing to work on. It's not his #1 weapon to begin with.
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Got around to watching the Sunday night Detroit game, not too bad. RJ hit some threes, looked good overall.
If this team just competes and plays consistent D, which they should under Thibodeau, I'll be happy. So far it looks like he's not having any bullshit not covering guys, we'll see. Mitch is an awesome shot blocker if he can stay on the floor, interesting they started Noel over him the first two pre-season games.
No Myles Powell, I guess he'll end up in Westchester.
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Watching game recorded, empty MSG is weird. Mitch 2 fouls first 3 minutes lol. Noel not playing.
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Down 18 late 3rd, the young guys mounted a comeback and won the game. Quickley, DSJ, Barrett, Toppin and Mitch. Even Knox was banging 3s, Quickley looked real good, Mitch hung in with the fouls and played aggressive D down the stretch.
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Nice effort by the youngsters though the Cavs were short-handed (Collin Sexton, Kevin Love)
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immanuel quickley is already better than frank ntilikina
not crowning him but he is playing well. it's more of an indictment against how poor of a ballplayer frank is
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immanuel quickley is already better than frank ntilikina
not crowning him but he is playing well. it's more of an indictment against how poor of a ballplayer frank is
All the young guys looked good and play well together. Mitch can be an absolute monster at times. They put Powell in up 40 so I'm thinking Westchester for him.
Not sure we'll need Randle. Not a bad player but not sure how he fits in here with his constant spinning into the lane and turning the ball over. The ball movement when he's out of the game is amazing.
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All the young guys looked good and play well together. Mitch can be an absolute monster at times. They put Powell in up 40 so I'm thinking Westchester for him.
Not sure we'll need Randle. Not a bad player but not sure how he fits in here with his constant spinning into the lane and turning the ball over. The ball movement when he's out of the game is amazing.
we don't need randle and he is a horrible player. one of the lowest IQ players i've ever seen. i can feel my blood pressure rising every time i see him bring the ball up the court. he's so dumb and bad. you have to assume he's been told by close to hundreds of people to stop his fvckin gyrating spinning and to cut down the dumb fckin passes and TOs but he still does the same excrement
it would be great if he could leave earlier, but i can't wait until his contract runs out this year. i see no chance we pick up that 3rd yr team option but this is the knicks so i dont know
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we don't need randle and he is a horrible player. one of the lowest IQ players i've ever seen. i can feel my blood pressure rising every time i see him bring the ball up the court. he's so dumb and bad. you have to assume he's been told by close to hundreds of people to stop his fvckin gyrating spinning and to cut down the dumb fckin passes and TOs but he still does the same excrement
it would be great if he could leave earlier, but i can't wait until his contract runs out this year. i see no chance we pick up that 3rd yr team option but this is the knicks so i dont know
Hell no. They drafted first at his position.
Honestly if we play the young guys and they go hard and compete, I'll be happy. Maybe achieve my dream of not being eliminated two weeks into the season.
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immanuel quickley is already better than frank ntilikina
not crowning him but he is playing well. it's more of an indictment against how poor of a ballplayer frank is
Frank Nitilikina...Frédéric Weis....Knicks should steer clear of drafting grenouilles.
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Frank Nitilikina...Frédéric Weis....Knicks should steer clear of drafting grenouilles.
both times they drafted absolute bums over homegrown ny prospects that wanted to be here
weis over artest (LMFAOOOO)
shittykina over spida mitchell (whose dad freakin works for the NY METS LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO HOW MUCH MORE FCKIN NY DO YOU NEED TO BE)
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Opening night baby. Was hoping we could just play Detroit and Cleveland all year.
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Can't wait to watch this sorry derriere team
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Randle first shot and miss of the new season.
And the first turnover.
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I hate Reggie Bullock
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Sabonis is a queynte
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if obi toppin had a neck, he would deadass be 7'2
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rgay is ballin lmao. actually hitting his jumpers
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RJ with 20 at the half.
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obi toppin shouldn't be throwing up 10 fuckin 3s a game. looks like we have another 'dumb' player but he can get a pass as it was his first game ever
mitchell robinson is just dumb. he's a dumb athletic freak, but it doesn't look like he can overcome his stupidity
elfrid payton is fuckin horrible
julius randle is fuckin horrible and annoying, and ugly too
kevin knox is the ugliest dude in the league. knick fans as per usual hopped on his dick after one good preseason game and once the regular season started and he played against actual talent, he reverted back to his normal form, which is 2-5 meaningless points and looking ugly
the best things about this game were
1. RJ
2. it looks like thibs is at least smart enough to understand frank's a freaking loser. even when quickley went down frank really only got limited minutes, but it was enough to show us he's the same shitty player he's always been. no urgency or creativity to his play, cannot run an offense, cannot score whatsoever and is still out there shooting the ball trying to guide it with two hands (LMFAOOOOOOOOO), and getting beat way too easily by players like mcconell for a player that dumb knick fans are convinced is a defensive demon. he is quite possibly the sorriest player i've ever watched play ball, and i watched michael olowakandi play
like heis said, can't wait to watch this sorry derriere team play
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obi toppin shouldn't be throwing up 10 fuckin 3s a game. looks like we have another 'dumb' player but he can get a pass as it was his first game ever
mitchell robinson is just dumb. he's a dumb athletic freak, but it doesn't look like he can overcome his stupidity
elfrid payton is fuckin horrible
julius randle is fuckin horrible and annoying, and ugly too
kevin knox is the ugliest dude in the league. knick fans as per usual hopped on his dick after one good preseason game and once the regular season started and he played against actual talent, he reverted back to his normal form, which is 2-5 meaningless points and looking ugly
the best things about this game were
1. RJ
2. it looks like thibs is at least smart enough to understand frank's a freaking loser. even when quickley went down frank really only got limited minutes, but it was enough to show us he's the same shitty player he's always been. no urgency or creativity to his play, cannot run an offense, cannot score whatsoever and is still out there shooting the ball trying to guide it with two hands (LMFAOOOOOOOOO), and getting beat way too easily by players like mcconell for a player that dumb knick fans are convinced is a defensive demon. he is quite possibly the sorriest player i've ever watched play ball, and i watched michael olowakandi play
like heis said, can't wait to watch this sorry derriere team play
RJ is the only player worth a excrement on the roster and he's not even that good lol. I have pretty much no confidence in Thibs as an actual coach but maybe he can get some defensive talent out of someone as the year goes on. Depressing but is what it is
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Didn't watch the game but reading Quickley looked alright, he could be a decent piece as well actually
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Kevin Knox is awful
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RJ is the only player worth a excrement on the roster and he's not even that good lol. I have pretty much no confidence in Thibs as an actual coach but maybe he can get some defensive talent out of someone as the year goes on. Depressing but is what it is
i have major doubts about RJ but the biggest and most important one for him is shooting.
he has very nice form on his J even though he shot like excrement last year. it's obvious that for him it's all down to consistency. this was a good start for him. we've seen many of the top players now shoot poorly when they entered the league before working on it enough to make it a strength and make themselves great players. i think of demar derozan in this regard all the time
i think he absolutely has that in him if he works on it. if he reaches that potential he would be a very good '2nd option' on a good team.
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Didn't watch the game but reading Quickley looked alright, he could be a decent piece as well actually
quickley's biggest value will be the fact that DSJ and Frank will get little to no burn if he actually proves himself to be a decent piece. once rivers comes back i don't want to see frank or dsj ever again. but i don't want to see payton either
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I thought Alec Burks played really well off the bench. Same goes for Quickley, who seemed to be mostly in control out when he was out there. IQ will take Payton's job sooner than later.
Toppin had a lot of good looks from three, so I didn't really mind his shot selection from out there. It's a little surprising that's the only way he scored tonight though. The team needs more from him inside.
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Not having Quickley in the second half hurt.
Knox looks like someone stretched his head sideways.
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I thought Alec Burks played really well off the bench. Same goes for Quickley, who seemed to be mostly in control out when he was out there. IQ will take Payton's job sooner than later.
Toppin had a lot of good looks from three, so I didn't really mind his shot selection from out there.
It's a little surprising that's the only way he scored tonight though. The team needs more from him inside.
Spot on. If his j's not on the UD Flyer should (and could) be swoopin and hoopin more.
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rj bareshit a cool 1-13 from the field tonight. back at it
dsj is in the top 5 worst basketball players i've ever seen in my life. i think 3/5 of those players are on this current knick team
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alec burks is going to be the marcus morris of the team this season - solid player on a short term deal with no future here who will have value as a scoring option off the bench for an actual contender. hopefully we're able to parlay him into another useful pick the way we did with morris
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Toppin out for a while with a calf strain
cool cool cool
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Getting ready to watch, heard a lot of it at work.
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Another good first half, up 16 on Milwaukee. Finish it this time.
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They did it, 130-110 over the Bucks.
Anyone in Vegas have the Jets and Knicks winning straight up today?
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Funny how quiet this is when they win one.
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Funny how quiet this is when they win one.
One of what will likely be only a handful of wins
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One of what will likely be only a handful of wins
Maybe. I feel like they will get better during the year, also nice they beat a good team and decisively. I know it's one game but a good step, we didn't need 0-3.
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Maybe.
Julius Randle won't keep this up
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Julius Randle won't keep this up
No, or Payton. They played without Quickley or Toppin, also Rivers. At some point if we fall out of contention I could see most of the veterans going in trades and just playing the young guys. Mitch staying out of foul trouble makes a huge difference in any game.
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Funny how quiet this is when they win one.
the entire bucks team played like derriere last night. maybe it was because of the knicks D. a game like this is going to be an anomaly. it was nice to win, but no reason to go overboard with it. already i see knick fans crowning elfrid payton, julius randle, and even frank ntilikina for a career night (of 12 points on 4 3's LMAO, all of which came during garbage time in the 2nd half when the knicks were already up by 20 LMAO). this fan base is insufferable
Julius Randle won't keep this up
the regression back to his shitty mean is going to be glorious
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the entire bucks team played like derriere last night. maybe it was because of the knicks D. a game like this is going to be an anomaly. it was nice to win, but no reason to go overboard with it. already i see knick fans crowning elfrid payton, julius randle, and even frank ntilikina for a career night (of 12 points on 4 3's LMAO, all of which came during garbage time in the 2nd half when the knicks were already up by 20 LMAO). this fan base is insufferable
the regression back to his shitty mean is going to be glorious
So you're not a Knicks fan or you are?
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Road win, 2-2 baby. Triple double for Randle.
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Road win at Indy, 3-3.
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gritty win
austin rivers was good. quickley looks very lively. even in 2 games i'm confident he's going to do more in this league than frank/dsj have or will ever do, which isn't saying much, but it's something to be hopeful about for the knicks
RJ with a bounce back shooting performance. but before tonight he missed something like 18 straight 3s, and some of his misses tonight were still ugly as hell. it's obvious it's going to come down to consistency for him and he's working at it, but it needs to become a part of his game. he needs to become a consistent, reliable shooter if he's to become a top player on any team in this league
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Tampa stayed in a zone, daring the Knicks to shoot 3s, and as they fell behind they kept shooting them. Barrett and everyone else. Risky move in the NBA but it worked that night. Mitch staying on the floor makes a big difference.
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Tampa stayed in a zone, daring the Knicks to shoot 3s, and as they fell behind they kept shooting them. Barrett and everyone else. Risky move in the NBA but it worked that night. Mitch staying on the floor makes a big difference.
Tampa?
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Tampa?
Tampa.
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Tampa.
You're getting confused. Tampa doesn't have a team.
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You're getting confused. Tampa doesn't have a team.
Tampa.
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Tampa.
Is that like the New Jersey Jets?
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Is that like the New Jersey Jets?
New Jersey isn't a real place, it's NY's storage area.
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LFG
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Yeah baby, another road win. They left Quickley in down the stretch, Randle almost dribbled it away lol. Over 500, wow.
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ImmanuelQuickley,Human?
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Can't wait to watch this sorry derriere team
Sup bitch
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Sup bitch
Still watching
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Still watching
Sorry if that came off as a shot at you, I’m still too scared to talk excrement to fans of other NBA teams and that was the first post I saw when I opened up this thread
This is a weird feeling
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Sorry if that came off as a shot at you, I’m still too scared to talk excrement to fans of other NBA teams and that was the first post I saw when I opened up this thread
This is a weird feeling
The team can turn into a dumpster fire more Quickley than most
My optimism is reserved for now
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more Quickley than most
ImmanuelQuickley,Human?
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I love that Thibs is letting Quickley play this much
Need Toppin to come back and score in the paint
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They were down about 15 before Quickley got much run, once he got in the game they came back, largely because of him. He got to the rim, hit a couple floaters, a 3, found Knox for his 3 at the 3rd quarter buzzer. Thib was smart to leave him in. Reminded me of the pre season game when the young guys came in and came back from way down to win.
Quickley is very poised, hits his FTs. Clyde asked him after the game if he was nervous, he said playing at Kentucky they always had huge crowds and lots of pressure. Looks like a great find for us after the first few games.
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1. Kevin Knox is still ugly as excrement
2. Julius Randle is a bum again
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Better Randle in foul trouble than Mitch.
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1. Kevin Knox is still ugly as excrement
2. Julius Randle is a bum again
lol lets wait for the game to finish, but this is why i wasn't all up in arms about the knicks 'hot 4-3' start. we've had other years in recent times where we were close to .500 20-25 games in and the season still devolved into the same excrement every year
i'm glad randle has been playing well for a few games but for anybody actually watching what he's doing and how, i find it very hard to believe he will be able to keep this up for long, and even during his hot streak he's shown us he's still prone to the same boneheaded decisions, poor turnovers, and dumb fouls (especially the offensive fouls) that he's always shown us. not to mention his pee poor D
if you've been watching the games, i would estimate roughly 80-90% of his assists consist of something along the lines of: he's dribbling with the ball at the top of the key, drives in and does a wild spin move, the defense collapses onto him and then he throws a wild pass out to the perimeter where one of our guys hits a 3. this is all well and done if the knicks are truly a good 3 point shooting team, but we are hitting them at an unusually high rate this year and i honestly don't know if we can keep that up
with regards to his scoring, he is literally scoring like he never has before. he is playing out there like he's playing at an LA fitness, and I don't see him keeping it up in the nba. shooting random derriere low % shots and jumpers at random moments and at poor angles falling away and excrement.......and he's been hitting them. i just don't see him keeping this up lol, it's so ugly
the dumbass way he runs the offense and gets his flukey assists is not worth the 5 (LMAO) turnovers he gets a game. he already has 4 turnovers tonight and the first half isn't even over
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We must be trailing, sw0rdz is back. :D
Agree about Randle to a point, the spinning into the lane and over dribbling makes me crazy. The one game they lost on the trip they shot like 1-30 from 3.
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We must be trailing, sw0rdz is back. :D
Agree about Randle to a point, the spinning into the lane and over dribbling makes me crazy. The one game they lost on the trip they shot like 1-30 from 3.
i enjoy when the knicks win, but i have seen some absolutely crazy things being said about the knicks and about randle this season (none of it by anybody here)
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i enjoy when the knicks win, but i have seen some absolutely crazy things being said about the knicks and about randle this season (none of it by anybody here)
I hear you but I'm happy to have a competitive team. Just took the lead after 3, loving the defense.
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Rivers going to town in the 4th, Knicks are gonna win.
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112-100.
Knicks down 18 in the 2nd outscore Jazz 68-44 in the 2nd half and win going away.
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Rivers had like 14 straight points late, a bunch of 3s.
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Wtf is happening
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Wtf is happening
MAGA Thibs
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https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/knicks-considering-reunions-with-taj-gibson-tyson-chandler/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1347321377297223680?s=20
Brought Taj Gibson back. I'd like to bring back Tyson Chandler too.
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Noel has been out, Mitch played almost 40 minutes last night.
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players drafted after frank ntilikina in 2017 (i won't even mention donovan mitchell)
bam adebayo
john collins
jarrett allen
og anunoby
kyle kuzma
players drafted after kevin knox in 2018
SGA
mikal bridges
miles bridges
lonnie walker
kevin huerter
landry shamet
hamidou diallo
shake milton
EDIT: forgot MPJ LMFAOOO
i would literally prefer any of the above players over these 2 losers. even if the stats aren't different between some of them, the circumstantial and situational outlook for all the players above are much higher than either knox or ntilikina
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players drafted after frank ntilikina in 2017 (i won't even mention donovan mitchell)
bam adebayo
john collins
jarrett allen
og anunoby
kyle kuzma
players drafted after kevin knox in 2018
SGA
mikal bridges
miles bridges
lonnie walker
kevin huerter
landry shamet
hamidou diallo
shake milton
EDIT: forgot MPJ LMFAOOO
i would literally prefer any of the above players over these 2 losers. even if the stats aren't different between some of them, the circumstantial and situational outlook for all the players above are much higher than either knox or ntilikina
Shamet has had 1 decent game so far this year. The rest of the time he stinks or doesn't play. Hopefully he shakes it off plays like he has before.
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Also, Leon Rose didn't do those drafts, so there's that.
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How many 3s we going to miss before we try something else?
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Everything rimming out, WTF
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Need to get Payton out.
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Can't wait to watch this sorry derriere team
Still watching
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Still watching
A couple things I was happy about last night:
-Down 13 with 3:00 left they cut it to 5, played to the end, gave themselves a fighting chance. That's mostly what I want to see.
-Mitch is staying on the floor more and being more effective. Had a tough time with Jordan last night but did get 10 and 12.
-Quickley looked good in the minutes he got.
-RJ keeps battling whether he's scoring or not, he isn't a hothead or a crybaby.
These are the things I'm looking for right now.
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RJ keeps battling whether he's scoring or not, he isn't a hothead or a crybaby.
He is a bum
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He is a bum
You might want to wait on that one. I don't know if he'll be a star but a bum is a reach. He doesn't miss time and he works hard, he's 20.
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He is a bum
We'll trade you a 2024 2nd for him.
I had no idea he was Nash's godson.
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We'll trade you a 2024 2nd for him.
I had no idea he was Nash's godson.
I think Nash played with his dad on the Canadian national team. Somewhere in Canada, at least.
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I think Nash played with his dad on the Canadian national team. Somewhere in Canada, at least.
Pickup games behind Tim Horton's
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You might want to wait on that one. I don't know if he'll be a star but a bum is a reach. He doesn't miss time and he works hard, he's 20.
He can't shoot and he's Canadian. Get him outta here while he still holds some value.
You can sign some kids out of the G-League if hard work if durability and work ethic are all that matter.
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He can't shoot and he's Canadian. Get him outta here while he still holds some value.
You can sign some kids out of the G-League if hard work if durability and work ethic are all that matter.
Send him home
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Send him home
You can have him
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Pickup games behind Tim Horton's
I once went to a park in Hartford to shoot around with two Canadian guys, we were in town for work. I didn't know one played ball all the time and the other guy was a competitive triathlete. Ended up having to wait, picked up two homeboys and never left the court until it got dark.
Moral of the story, some Canadians can ball.
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Quickley "running and stunning". Coin that. #Clyde
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Win at Boston 105-75.
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The Quickley floater is deadly
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Back to back daytime wins, MLK Day win over Orlando at MSG.
The beauty of not starting 2-8 for once is you can survive a bad streak, win a couple and keep yourself afloat. West coast trip coming up, I'm looking forward to it.
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Knicks lead the league in defense (#1 in scoring def, 1 in Opp FG%, 1 in Opp 3%)
Mitch leads the league in dunks
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Mitch leads the league in dunks
Literally the only way he can score but good for him
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immanuel quickley is a legitimately promising prospect
can penetrate into the lane very easily and has shown can either score via the floater he has obviously been working on or penetrate/find an open man
is also a confident shooter and has a good shot
if it wasn't obvious before, frank/dsj are done here. what a blessing
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if it wasn't obvious before, frank/dsj are done here. what a blessing
If only one good thing can happen this season, please let it be this.
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If only one good thing can happen this season, please let it be this.
these are my thoughts lol
knicks are currently ranked #1 in D without frank getting any burn at all. i still don't think that'll register with the dumbass frank cult who've done nothing but fall back on his mythical 'great defense!' his entire career. frank is a high effort try-hard on the defensive end who is not actually a lockdown type of player whatsoever
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Frank and DSJ don't even play, it's Payton and Quickley. Mitch has ben playing hurt, staying in games better and a force on D, changing shots when he's not getting blocks. RJ Barrett has put a few good games together.
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Frank and DSJ don't even play, it's Payton and Quickley.
we know, this is what we're happy about
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Draymond Green getting ejected for yelling at James Wiseman was amazing
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Draymond Green getting ejected for yelling at James Wiseman was amazing
Probably forgot he had a T already. Break for us.
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"Timely hoopin from the neophytes."
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i fvcking love quickley. he's a gym rat with insane work ethic and great basketball IQ for a rookie, and he's gotten better little by little each game
he's got the stuff
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I like what Thibs is doing with Toppin. He's trying to get him involved in the paint. It hasn't been great, but I can appreciate get him the ball in the post and letting him go to work.
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i know they're missing green (and klay) but were killing the warriors
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The minimum I was looking for is play hard on defense and be competitive, so far they're doing that. Back to 8-8, in previous years the early west coast trip doomed the season. I love what Mitch is doing, Noel had good a good run last night too. Barrett a career high, I think 5 good games in a row now.
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RJ Barrett Godking
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RJ Barrett Godking
Quickley, RJ and Mitch give us a young 1, 3 and 5 to build with. We haven't gone this young since the early Ewing days with Jackson and Wilkins, then we traded an aging Cartwright for a young Oakley.
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The minimum I was looking for is play hard on defense and be competitive, so far they're doing that. Back to 8-8, in previous years the early west coast trip doomed the season. I love what Mitch is doing, Noel had good a good run last night too. Barrett a career high, I think 5 good games in a row now.
as long as they are playing hard on d and not making stupid mistakes I'll never be angry.
My next upcoming concern is load management. Thibs has been known to run players into the ground.
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knicks down 25 earlier in the game, got it back to 3 with 16 seconds left. we're gonna lose but effort/comeback was nice
quickley is fvcking legit
julius randle is one of the dumbest and most annoying players in the league. his points/rebounds are up this year but that's because his usage and MPG under thibodeau are up. he is averaging more turnovers than ever, has non-existent D, and commits the dumbest fouls at the worst times. enes kanter has no D but he was bodying randle the fvck up tonight, and randle kept forcing excrement/wasting possessions because he's dumb and thinks he's lebron. we probably could have tied it up if randle wasn't forcing excrement at the end of the game
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Quickley is really good
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It's been their pattern to battle back from huge deficits, even when they don't win. Quickley was connecting with Mitch for quick easy hoops at the end, helped us stay in the game.
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austin rivers 10/10, 25 points, 11 minutes
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18-3 run lmao
still watching this excrement team
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I was expecting Utah to smoke us from the beginning after the Knicks beat them last time.
Fun fact, I went to Marist with Rudy Gobert's dad, he was Rik Smits' backup until senior year when Rik went to the pros. There's a scene in Coming To America where you can see him in the game at MSG.
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Mitch has to work on setting screens. He's moving all around, picked up two cheap fouls. Luckily he's not getting them on D so much now but we can't afford those.
Nice to get a win though, IQ looking like a steal.
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Quickley reminds me a lot of Lou Williams
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Quickley reminds me a lot of Lou Williams
https://streamable.com/ixuidb
"You're one of my favourite players"
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https://streamable.com/ixuidb
"You're one of my favourite players"
I had read that and saw it during the game yesterday. Very cool.
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Took too many 3s down the stretch when we weren't making them. Came back and got the lead by going to the hoop, then started settling for 3s.
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Took too many 3s down the stretch when we weren't making them. Came back and got the lead by going to the hoop, then started settling for 3s.
Thibs needs to start giving the ball to Barrett or even Quickley in crucial moments now.
Randle is back to his old self.
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Also, why in the hell is Bullock getting so many minutes?
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Also, why in the hell is Bullock getting so many minutes?
bullock and payton are hard workers but they are literally useless players lmao
with payton on the floor, barrett was actually bringing up the ball for most of the game lol. what's the point of payton
i feel like RJ gives up the ball to randle in those moments because of seniority. randle is so wasteful. RJ has to take ownership of those moments and the team should start pushing that
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Was surprised Mitch was on the bench at the end of the game, too. Part of our effectiveness driving to the rim is having him there to clean it up.
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I hope we trade for Oladipo or Graham. This team needs a guard that can score in the worst way.
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Looks like the Knicks are trading for Derrick Rose.
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Looks like the Knicks are trading for Derrick Rose.
is totally LOL to be trying to get him back but if all it'll cost will be frank and/or DSJ then why not. we'd be trading nothing. i hope we don't trade anything more than that
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Normal home uniforms for a home game. Is this a special occasion?
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Julius Randle, NBA All-Star. Well deserved.
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dang steph curry is good.
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Knicks dropped 140 on the Kings
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Knicks dropped 140 on the Kings
occurred with elfrid payton sitting out
makes you wonder
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still holding my breath with this team because anything can happen, but they at the least are a fun watch.
what i like most is that they do remind me of the old 90s knick teams with the focus on D. thibodeau being a part of those old knick staffs brings this full circle. it's crazy how the game has changed though. the defensive ratings of the top teams in the league in the late 90s usually averaged roughly 8-9 less points / 100 possessions than the current top teams do lol
i agree with blooding in quickley slowly despite his amazing performances, but there is no point for payton anymore. start rose or rivers if you have to, give quickley the majority of the backup minutes, give frank any scraps or trade him. payton's like that one guy on the team who isn't actually good and offers/adds nothing, but the coach loves him because he'll follow instructions to a tee no matter what he says lol. we get it thibs, but come on.
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gritty come from behind win vs the pacers. record now at .500
i love nerlens noel lol, very hard worker and very underrated defensively. i always thought of him as a bust but he's turned himself into a solid player
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Knicks with their 7th win in the last 9 games to go over .500
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Randle became the first Knick with two triple doubles in the same season since Mark Jackson in 1989.
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Randle became the first Knick with two triple doubles in the same season since Mark Jackson in 1989.
Randle now the first Knick with three triple doubles in the same season since Micheal Ray Richardson in 1981-82. Next up on that list would be Clyde--resounding rebounding, spinning and winning, dishing and swishing.
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RJ Barrett hngggg
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I hope we trade him
Come collect your L’s
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(https://i.ibb.co/xzc1gBn/7-FEC886-D-96-DD-4770-8312-7-ADC4-C1052-D4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QYqPHTW)
(https://imgbb.com/)
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Davis and Lebronless, still a win's a win (Lakers coming off a blow out win over the Nets)
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/sports/former-laker-julius-randle-leads-knicks-over-lakers-111-96/2571730/
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good win against the mas
i knew RJ's form was always pure but it was still so infuriating to see his shot be so inconsistent. he's shown himself to be a much improved shooter this year and has become a legitimately good player
nerlens noel is so underrated lol. he's a beast on the defensive end and hopefully we have some more time with him/mitch rob splitting the duties in the playoffs (should we make them)
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Thibs is working out fabulously. Big shock.
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Thibs is working out fabulously.
Big shock.
: )
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xUOrw9KiEWpgOGYAec/giphy.gif)
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(https://i.ibb.co/xzc1gBn/7-FEC886-D-96-DD-4770-8312-7-ADC4-C1052-D4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QYqPHTW)
(https://imgbb.com/)
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rj barrett is legit
he'll never be a quick player laterally but his game otherwise is becoming so solid all around, and with his work ethic and the head on his shoulders he's only going to get better and better each and every year
i am pleased.
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https://twitter.com/shayneny_/status/1389420035232477187?s=21
Ja thought he was playing And-1 streetball
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ja's a great player but he's so annoying
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I can't believe how good Julius Randle has been
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I can't believe how good Julius Randle has been
credit to him, he is still playing 'la fitness' type basketball on offense where he literally spins/moves anywhere he wants to and throws up a shot that looks ugly and/or low percentage.......but they go in. he's been a walking bucket
he still has the same issues he's always had, namely with subpar defense, too many turnovers, and too many dumb fouls/technicals, but he's played his way into that 3rd year. if he keeps this up and repeats it he will undoubtedly get a max extension, as he seems to love playing in NY
this team has been extremely fun to watch, and thibs is a great vet coach. not thrusting quickley into major starting time this year was the right move. RJ Barrett is becoming one of my favorite players to watch. we have a great mix of role players in guys like burks, bullock, noel who i hope we find a way to keep this offseason but i think it'll be difficult. so trying to enjoy the team this season while i can
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2019-2020: 21-45
2020-2021: 41-31 (4th seed)
minus any bklyn-type “big 3” installation - well done thibs
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2019-2020: 21-45
2020-2021: 41-31 (4th seed)
minus any bklyn-type “big 3” installation - well done thibs
Watched my first full knick game all season yesterday.
I didnt realize jr Smith changed his name to Julius Randle. Dude looks bigger too. That shot selection was god awful
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https://twitter.com/JeffEisenband/status/1397217888482832398?s=19
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https://twitter.com/JeffEisenband/status/1397217888482832398?s=19
But wait,
https://streamable.com/w6ko1n
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But wait,
https://streamable.com/w6ko1n
(https://media.giphy.com/media/12COb7vb2Z84i4/giphy.gif)
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https://twitter.com/tommybeer/status/1397732344002457610?s=21
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https://twitter.com/tommybeer/status/1397732344002457610?s=21
Mom rocking the UD Flyer jersey - Dayton always with the nice unis.
Last night, the good: Trey Young on the foul line - the "Trey is balding" chant. Last night, the bad (expectorating dipshits):
https://twitter.com/DrGuru_/status/1397766076839206914
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Mom rocking the UD Flyer jersey - Dayton always with the nice unis.
Last night, the good: Trey Young on the foul line - the "Trey is balding" chant. Last night, the bad (expectorating dipshits):
https://twitter.com/DrGuru_/status/1397766076839206914
Thank God he missed Julianne Moore that would have been sacrilegious
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Thank God he missed Julianne Moore that would have been sacrilegious
(https://media.giphy.com/media/fdP6TS6bhzij6/giphy.gif)
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Fun season while it lasted. And Trey Young to his credit's much more than just a 3-point bomber...guy's got some wheelin' and dealin' in the paint Allen Iverson in him as well. Hawks denied Randle the uncontested 3-pointers.
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trey young is silky smooth.
credit to randle for an amazing season unlike any other in his career thus far, where he was more or less a walking bucket. that is not an exaggeration. i've made fun of him for playing 'la fitness' basketball before, and he still plays that way, but his %'s from the field and from 3 were way up.
his deficiencies, however, remain the same, and they remain the reason why you shouldn't pay a guy like him a max contract or build around him as a #1 or #2 option. at best he's a #3 on an actual contending team. if he is relied on as a primary scorer on a team trying to contend, the result in a best-of-7 series is what we just saw.
he is one of those types of players that you can easily gameplan/defend around during a best-of-7. i wouldn't even say the hawks did anything special against him defensively. they didn't even double him that often. they were just aggressive/physical with him at the point of contact and denied his left, which is all he does.
julius did the rest. he's shown himself to be a feeble-minded, petulant type of player throughout the season, and the playoffs is not where a guy like that flourishes. he completely choked. he couldn't handle the pressure, can't handle the pressure. was literally playing scared out there. was shooting so bad that he ended up being scared to shoot. and to top it all of he mailed in a couple of games effort wise completely. i forget whether it was game 3 or game 4, but he was not putting up any rebounding effort on the offensive or defensive end whatsoever. it was embarrassing
he still has horrible 1-v-1 defense, got torched on the PnR this series, commits a bunch of bad fouls, bad offensive fouls, gets called for bad techs, and literally makes some of the worst turnovers i have ever seen.
we can't build around this guy. let him play out this 3rd year team option and try to do better the year after
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i don't know what to make of our role guys. i liked a lot of them but they are on expirings now. we have a ton of cap space but i don't know what we'll end up doing, because we do need to shake up the roster
i love noel, such an underrated player/defender and i'd love to see him back. i can see a team paying him decent starter - type money to be their actual starter, though. i think we'll end up staying with mitch
bullock is a solid 3-and-D guy. i'd like to see him back
burks is a great scoring option off the bench and i'd like to see him back too, but like noel i can see teams outbidding for him to have a larger role on a team
we should totally bring D-Rose back. such a likeable player and still very good
so long and fvck off to frank, kevin knox, peyton
we're going to have 2 mid 1st round picks this year and should try to target athletic wings that can shoot and create their own shot. apparently the draft is going to be somewhat deep with guys like those available in the middle of the 1st. other than the obvious trey factor, that's an area that the hawks roster totally outshined/outplayed us, and this was even without cam reddish being available for them, who still has some untapped potential.
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As much as the Knicks were strong-armed into getting pennies on the dollar for KP, he has been an absolute toxic mess for Dallas and an Abraham like no-show in the big spot.
And now he's frustrated with his role. LOL. YOU WANTED TO GO THERE MY DUDE.
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Luka should force KP out of town
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Rumour that the Knicks are going hard after Lowry next week.
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Knicks to acquire Kemba Walker upon his buyout with OKC
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Been waiting for this for so, so long
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https://twitter.com/worldwidewob/status/1451294170107109380?s=21
Forgot to post this clip of me in my living room Weds night
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https://twitter.com/worldwidewob/status/1451294170107109380?s=21
Forgot to post this clip of me in my living room Weds night
despite being the inferior NY team, no team will ever be able to top the passion, dumbassery, and comedy value we get out of knick fans
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despite being the inferior NY team, no team will ever be able to top the passion, dumbassery, and comedy value we get out of knick fans
I’ve only come to realize this recently but I like Knicks fans far more than I like Yankees or Jets fans
I’m going to start being a better Knicks fan
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I’ve only come to realize this recently but I like Knicks fans far more than I like Yankees or Jets fans
I’m going to start being a better Knicks fan
Is there some way you can do it without having to watch the Knicks? That might be optimal.
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I’ve only come to realize this recently but I like Knicks fans far more than I like Yankees or Jets fans
I’m going to start being a better Knicks fan
Ew
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Already feel incredibly validated
#KnicksFan
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Ugly game but a W against a good team
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https://twitter.com/whiiteboidre/status/1453814166154735626?s=21
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https://twitter.com/uk_knicks/status/1455179373506617354?s=21
V important question
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https://twitter.com/uk_knicks/status/1455179373506617354?s=21
V important question
Liked the older classic with the orange lettering and numbers in orange thinly outlined in blue. The current classic with the plain blue lettering/numbers by itself is blah.
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rj barrett is fvcking legit. quite easily my favorite knick
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Knicks beat the defending Champs by 15 while shooting only 25% from 3
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https://twitter.com/_mallymal7/status/1467885018102050821?s=21
I assume everyone’s seen this video a million times, if not, you’re welcome
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“If you see these dogs in your front yard, hunh, just know upstairs I’m goin hard”
owns real estate in my head
As well as
“Joe Byron”
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“If you see these dogs in your front yard, hunh, just know upstairs I’m goin hard”
owns real estate in my head
As well as
“Joe Byron”
AY YO!
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https://twitter.com/_mallymal7/status/1467885018102050821?s=21
I assume everyone’s seen this video a million times, if not, you’re welcome
the uninitiated are only discovering these videos now and they're getting thousands of retweets for saying 'wow i found it'
it's crazy how bing bong went from a sidetalknyc thing, to a knicks thing, to an........all over the internet thing
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the uninitiated are only discovering these videos now and they're getting thousands of retweets for saying 'wow i found it'
it's crazy how bing bong went from a sidetalknyc thing, to a knicks thing, to an........all over the internet thing
It will come as absolutely no surprise to you that a) this is the first and only time I have ever seen or heard of this, and b) I have no idea what it's supposed to be mean.
I promise you I'm not deliberately playing an old man card, I just woke up one day and modern culture had left me in its rear view mirror and I don't think I'm ever going to be able to catch up again.
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It will come as absolutely no surprise to you that a) this is the first and only time I have ever seen or heard of this, and b) I have no idea what it's supposed to be mean.
I promise you I'm not deliberately playing an old man card, I just woke up one day and modern culture had left me in its rear view mirror and I don't think I'm ever going to be able to catch up again.
i just turned 30 and im already starting to feel this way
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i just turned 30 and im already starting to feel this way
Bing bong
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https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1473818093923225607?t=aGjRNVw7Bntbp2Ssm2Y2tA&s=19
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https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1473818093923225607?t=aGjRNVw7Bntbp2Ssm2Y2tA&s=19
Crushing blow to Thibodeau because he’ll now be forced to play Kemba
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Knicks have gotten prone boned desert swordz
Style by covid the past couple weeks
Had a couple guys in Grimes and Deuce go off once given opportunities and then immediately test positive
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I know I’m a Kemba stan but I honestly don’t get it. He’s terrible at defense, no secret. So are the other guys. Fournier has been horrible. Quickley is as small as Kemba. Rose has been a non factor.
Kemba comes in last night and provides an immediate spark and drops 21 pts, 3 3’s, 8 reb, 5 ast.
The defense hasn’t been any better since he’s gotten benched, I ain’t gonna crunch numbers but they’ve been getting their asses ran by teams.
Why did they even sign him?
Someone help me with what I’m missing
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Lmao freak YOU Thibs
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Hahahahahaha
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Hahahahahaha
kemba was fvcking scape goated LMFAOOO
team as a whole is playing worse than it did last year, but it's being driven by julius randle
after a fluke year where he was admittedly a walking bucket, in front of a fan-less covid season, he is back on his fvcking bullshit. horrible shots, horrible team player, turnover fvcking machine, momentum killer.
every time he is out there on the court we go down 20, and when the backups come in we fvcking battle back, followed by losing it when we put him back in
he is one of the worst defenders ive ever seen and literally puts in zero effort
he has the lowest basketball IQ i've ever seen. you literally cannot play team ball with him
he always commits dumbass fouls and does dumbass excrement on the floor, and then blames it/yells at the refs and gets T'd up and he gives more free points. seeing randle yell at refs for excrement they call against him that are undeniably his faults and his mistakes has been one of the most infuriating things i've ever had to watch in sport. when he does this excrement i wish somebody would beat his fvcking derriere
he's always yelling at other players and pouting for the most unreasonable excrement. he thinks he's a #1 when he's barely a #4 on a good team
kemba got scapegoated but after he was benched excrement stayed the same. because randle's a fvcking cancer
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https://twitter.com/r0bato/status/1474836053374775303?s=10
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(https://i.ibb.co/7z4YXgK/65962043-DA85-43-EC-9892-0-E25625707-A9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DbpVtGQ)
This is an undoctored photo, you cannot make this excrement up
Twilight zone +/- for the starters/bench
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AGAINST DETROIT
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I hate Julius Randle
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I hate Julius Randle
he is literally the fvcking worst. the starting unit is literally derriere because of him. he hogs the fvckin ball and freezes everybody out for no fvcking reason on offense just so he can spend the entire game attempting ineffectual spin moves and racking up 4 TOs, and on defense when he's out there we play 4 vs 5.
it functionally becomes 3 vs 5 when you factor in that mitch is an actual retard and then on top of that has to try to make up for the fact that he is the only actual big on the court attempting to play D
he fluked a season in front of zero fans during the pandemic. we re-signed him for 4 years. he is a loser and we have to trade him
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https://twitter.com/knicksnocontext/status/1476550879297904645?s=21
<3
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15 point loss to the freaking Thunder
Throw the whole team away
(except Kemba)
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Barrett bricking most of the night wins it at the buzzer
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1479286838430998532
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Barrett bricking most of the night wins it at the buzzer
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1479286838430998532
if that ball went to julius he either would have travelled before putting the shot up, or would have put the shot up after the buzzer already went off. that's his fvcken MO
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https://twitter.com/nailuj914/status/1479296137181995008?s=21
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The Knicks just stole Cam Reddish from Atlanta
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The Knicks just stole Cam Reddish from Atlanta
getting cam reddish, who is somewhat raw and has struggled with injury/consistency issues but is a legitimate high-ceiling talent that is very athletic, long and a good defender, has a pure shooting form, and is decent at attacking and finishing at the rim for
- a protected first round pick that will essentially only convey to the hawks as a mid-round pick AT BEST
- kevin knox, who is not good, cannot play defense, cannot create his own shot, cannot dribble or drive, moves awkwardly because his feet are too big, and has not made a single improvement in his game in 4 seasons
is an absolute steal. it is a very un-knicks move, but we did it
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Knicks up 28......Nets make a run......Knicks still up by 18 in the 4th quarter.
Knicks choke going away 111-106. Unfucking real..
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Knicks up 28......Nets make a run......Knicks still up by 18 in the 4th quarter.
Knicks choke going away 111-106. Unfucking real..
That should be it for Thibs
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First team in 25 yrs to blow 3 20+ pt leads in a calendar month… and it’s only the 17th lol
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https://twitter.com/pftcommenter/status/1494167956510720003?s=10
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Knicks win 4th straight - RJ Barrett's good money
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https://twitter.com/benritholtznba/status/1513351995717038080?s=10&t=TYIRJeG6UaV5bO7VLnB7ug
Toppin had 42 pts and Quickley had a triple double, fire Thibs
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https://twitter.com/obimuse/status/1582412267458396166?s=46&t=P-ssE6cYHiL5MUUdcY7jgA
This feels like 100 years ago
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https://twitter.com/casualtakeking/status/1585475027780046848?s=46&t=8jw4cnhGZ7UxpEe1nkSsZA
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Nice numbers
https://twitter.com/nyknicks/status/1591187026497671168?s=19
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Luka 60/21/10
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Interesting
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Interesting
freak Boston
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Congrats Knicks fans. Good luck in the next round.
Honestly, super happy to see Thibs and Jimmy B over in Miami having this success. They should still be in Chicago, but Reinsdorf idiotically capitulated to GarPax.
If the Blazers don't take Sam Bowie, Jerry Reinsdorf is Jim Dolan in middle America.
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Home court advantage
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I'm not a Knicks fan, but as a Villanova guy, hard for me to root against Jalen and Josh. Glad you guys can enjoy them as much as I did for years. Two winning players.
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Jalen Brunson looks like Kyler Murray.
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Jalen Brunson looks like Kyler Murray.
nah he doesn't he looks like fred sanford except if he was younger with braids
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The result we all expected...
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Julius Randle is a soft piece of excrement
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Julius Randle is a soft piece of excrement
As long as he is the knicks #1 they won’t ever win anything of significance.
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https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRK8Mxha/
The least zesty Heat fan
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Julius Randle is a soft piece of excrement
he had about 100 big brain randle moments during this game.
overall as a team, D was sloppy and we fell for way too many pump fakes, horrible job rebounding in the 4th...but this guy did not make a successful defensive rotation all night, had a bunch of turnovers and dumb fouls, was getting his derriere worked by caleb freaking martin all fvcking night on the offensive end like homie was kyrie freaking irving, and zeller and adebayo look like fvcking david robinson and tim duncan due to the fact that this guy has no fvcking inside presence
can't win with him, can't do it. he's such a glaring net fvcking negative and the worst part about it is a majority of the knick fan base rides for this guy
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overall as a team, D was sloppy
Some of the worst rebounding I've seen from them all season and it's mostly when Randle is out there because he's lazy and refuses to play with any kind of toughness around the rim
He also has to be one of the dumbest defenders on the planet
He just won't ever mesh with the Brunson/Hart type of try hard, winner's mentality player -- they've been very good for RJ but Randle is just such a me-first headcase. I don't care if he played through the ankle injury. He isn't built to win.
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https://x.com/tommybeer/status/1730398838853079457?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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https://x.com/23savage____/status/1730817095246417950?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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https://x.com/23savage____/status/1730817095246417950?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
It’s amazing how many people can’t wrap their heads around this concept any more.
If you have to tell the world you are doing something good, are you really doing it for the right reasons?
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https://x.com/tommybeer/status/1742198434428272827?s=42&t=oQHlTr9_OCVIYXOt5gHlYQ
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https://x.com/knicksmuse/status/1743474449569939808?s=10&t=JNIE16dq__PDFutgyQ7iHg
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RIP to my RJ Barrett jersey btw
I am a disease
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OK YES ALRIGHT I HAVE 2 RJ BARRETT JERSEYS YES I LNOW IM freaking DUMB
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Just buy Villanova jerseys.
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OK YES ALRIGHT I HAVE 2 RJ BARRETT JERSEYS YES I LNOW IM freaking DUMB
i have 2 rj barrett jerseys as well lmfaooo. a regular home white, and a city edition
randle's value is as high as it's ever been, but he's just going to regress in the playoffs as per usual. we should throw philly a randle + all the first round picks they want offer.
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i have 2 rj barrett jerseys as well lmfaooo. a regular home white, and a city edition
randle's value is as high as it's ever been, but he's just going to regress in the playoffs as per usual. we should throw philly a randle + all the first round picks they want offer.
Randle in Philly has a ton of implosion potential.
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https://x.com/dolan_j_trump/status/1743837940994674956?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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11-2 since OG was acquired and the two losses were when Brunson didn't play
Knicks are good
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See what happens when you load up on Nova guys?
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See what happens when you load up on Nova guys?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240127/4593ba0e331fc1946b4eac86cbec8523.gif)
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9 in a row
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https://x.com/sny_knicks/status/1753255265174974755?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1753535606452363636?t=-ysBnDUWcNUu8OMqvKuI4w&s=19