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New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2019, 05:17:14 AM
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Per Rap
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I did not sleep last night
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Sources: Former #Ravens LB CJ Mosley is expected to sign with the #Jets on a massive 5-year, $85M deal worth $51M guaranteed. That’s $17M per year. It took a lot to leave Baltimore. 💰💰💰
@RapSheet
News just broke.
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Welcome to the team.
Now what can we get for Lee? Aside from an 0-3 record when drafting OSU linebackers?
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So much money for an ILB, but we don’t win any awards for holding onto cap space, and this man is a DAWG
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Welcome to the team.
Now what can we get for Lee? Aside from an 0-3 record when drafting OSU linebackers?
lmao
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Welcome to the team.
Now what can we get for Lee? Aside from an 0-3 record when drafting OSU linebackers?
Welcome to the team.
Now what can we get for Lee? Aside from an 0-3 record when drafting OSU linebackers?
I’d praying that we get the 4th I mentioned yesterday. But it’s probably more likely a 5th, or a retread player his current team has given up on similar to Lee freak ship him to Baltimore. But given the deal we just have Mosely and that we need Paradis and Bell appears to be playing us against ghosts we need his $3 million back. Since we only need to sign another 15 guys just to fill out the roster
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17 mill a year, 51 GTD... 51 / 3 = 17
Could be a glorified 3 year deal
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Re: C.J. Mosley's deal with Jets
NYJ def had the $ to spend, but this looks like a contract that blows the doors off the LB position financially.
Mosley's figures (previous high):
Total $ - $85M ($61M, Kuechly)
APY - $17M ($12.3M, Kuechly)
Total GTD - $51M ($34.3M, Kuechly)
Duff wasn’t playing
Kwon Alexander beat the APY by Kuechly yesterday.
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I’d praying that we get the 4th I mentioned yesterday. But it’s probably more likely a 5th, or a retread player his current team has given up on similar to Lee freak ship him to Baltimore. But given the deal we just have Mosely and that we need Paradis and Bell appears to be playing us against ghosts we need his $3 million back. Since we only need to sign another 15 guys just to fill out the roster
Did Gruden like Lee? I could see him and Mayock being down for some completely stupid move that sets the Raiders back another three seasons.
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17 mill a year, 51 GTD... 51 / 3 = 17
Could be a glorified 3 year deal
I’d bet that’s what it is.
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Did Gruden like Lee? I could see him and Mayock being down for some completely stupid move that sets the Raiders back another three seasons.
I mean they do have 3 first round picks and Lee has that Raiders speeeeeeeddddd
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When C.J. Mosley announces the #JetsNewUnis >>>
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Word
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i'm not as hyped for this signing. i would have rather splurged on paradis and bell
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i'm not as hyped for this signing. i would have rather splurged on paradis and bell
but what if we get all 3???
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Mosley is a run stopping gawd
Let’s gooooo daddaaay
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With the prez and now Mosley...our D is an embarrassment of leadership riches.
This has to take us out of the Bell sweepstakes, no?
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With the prez and now Mosley...our D is an embarrassment of leadership riches.
This has to take us out of the Bell sweepstakes, no?
No
-Rap
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With the prez and now Mosley...our D is an embarrassment of leadership riches.
This has to take us out of the Bell sweepstakes, no?
Yeah I'm not exactly happy with the amount were paying him but it seems like we're keen on bringing in high character leaders. The defense should be well disciplined, hardnosed, and tenacious.
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I don’t like it much. He’s a good player and a leader but there’s no way in hell he was worth so much. It wasn’t a pressing need and I don’t see where we will get the money to pay for Bell, Paradis and the rest of our players. I would have liked him at the right price but this will definitely hamper us going forward.
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I don’t like it much. He’s a good player and a leader but there’s no way in hell he was worth so much. It wasn’t a pressing need and I don’t see where we will get the money to pay for Bell, Paradis and the rest of our players. I would have liked him at the right price but this will definitely hamper us going forward.
I think we can still sign those guys, but I would hve preferred signing flowers and barr than getting another mlb
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Giant overpay and waste of resources. Sooooo glad we're paying $17 million to redundantly stop the run.
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Giant overpay and waste of resources. Sooooo glad we're paying $17 million to redundantly stop the run.
I can't argue that we're overpaying but we were awful against the run last year. Mosley changes that.
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Giant overpay and waste of resources. Sooooo glad we're paying $17 million to redundantly stop the run.
Mosley is a stud.
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Giant overpay and waste of resources. Sooooo glad we're paying $17 million to redundantly stop the run.
Solid taek
https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1105426741370257413
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I can't argue that we're overpaying but we were awful against the run last year. Mosley changes that.
Glad we'll be above average about the type of play the NFL calls 1/3 of the time in exchange for our linebackers being awful against the pass even though we're paying them a combined $24 million
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Glad we'll be above average about the type of play the NFL calls 1/3 of the time in exchange for our linebackers being awful against the pass even though we're paying them a combined $24 million
Are you really feeling salty over this?
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Are you really feeling salty over this?
Not super salty. Just think the team is misallocating resources here.
Can't be too upset, since Mosley is still pretty good, and leadership yadda yadda.
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Not super salty. Just think the team is misallocating resources here.
Can't be too upset, since Mosley is still pretty good, and leadership yadda yadda.
I want to see the entire free agency body of work from Duff before judging it...chances are, he’s not done.
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Mosley's deal is about 9% of the cap, which is on a par with Kuechly's (AAV 8.6% of of the 2015 cap, 9.1% in 2018). And we can restructure of get out of it in three years, which is when Sam's new deal becomes due.
It's a lot of money and I'll be disappointed if it prevents us from being able to get one of Bell and Paradis, but it's not completely out of whack.
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Mosley's deal is about 9% of the cap, which is on a par with Kuechly's (AAV 8.6% of of the 2015 cap, 9.1% in 2018). And we can restructure of get out of it in three years, which is when Sam's new deal becomes due.
It's a lot of money and I'll be disappointed if it prevents us from being able to get one of Bell and Paradis, but it's not completely out of whack.
Now that’s a good way to equate cap dollars per inflation of the cap. % of annual cap. I like it a lot.
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Mosley is a stud. I'd rather have him than Bell in a vacuum. I guess they must really be dien on Lee.
Calling Mosley a run stopper only is not fair
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I'd rather we get off the field on 3rd downs than have a ton of cap space sitting there for another year.
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I don’t care that we overpaid...this is our new David Harris with better skills
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I don’t care that we overpaid...this is our new David Harris with better skills
Absolutely. Our best LB since Mo Lewis (all due respect to Harris and Vilma).
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https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1106245202577100802
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https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1106245202577100802
Hahaha he looks miserable.
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Who had that great FML picture when signing their contract two or three years ago?
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“Details on CJ Mosley’s 5-year, $85m contract with the #Jets, per sources: It comes with a $7.5m signing bonus. The 2019 ($1m) and 2020 ($6m) base salaries are fully GTD.”
“#Jets LB CJ Mosley has a roster bonus of $10.5m this year (receives on sixth day of new league year, and $10m next (receives on fifth day). Both are guaranteed for skill/injury.”
“#Jets LB CJ Mosley has the following cap hits:
2019: $13m
2020: $17.5m
2021: $17.5m
2022: $18.5m
2023: $18.5m”
^Curious how this works: The $7.5m SB divided by 5 (length of contract) = $1.5m each year.
Cap hit = Prorated SB + base + roster bonuses
“There are gurantees looped into CJ Mosley’s 5-year contract with the #Jets through the 2021 season. Jets can realistically get out of this in 2022, if they choose. A nice 3-year deal, as most NFL contracts are.”
“Technically the #Jets *could* get out of Mosley’s contract in 2021. It wouldn’t be cost efficient, though. They’d owe him $8m of his 2021, which is GTD for skill/cap, plus the remainder of his SB ($4.5m).
In 2022, when CM has cap hit of $18.5m, Jets can cut him & free $15.5m”
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Mosley: 5 yrs, $85 million. $25 million fully guaranteed. He gets $35 million over 2, then team has control.
Breer reporting wayyyy different guaranteed #’s than the $51M gtd we had previously heard
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Breer reporting wayyyy different guaranteed #’s than the $51M gtd we had previously heard
if Breer is even close to right that makes the deal a big win for us. Most of the money would appear to be phony-baloney.
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seems to me that mr. duff is a pretty good GM despite not getting as much of an immediate impact from the 5 draft picks he's made in the 2nd-5th rounds over the past few years as many might like
we'll see~~!
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seems to me that mr. duff is a pretty good GM despite not getting as much of an immediate impact from the 5 draft picks he's made in the 2nd-5th rounds over the past few years as many might like
we'll see~~!
He is good at drafting contracts.
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Christian Hackenberg is the 3rd string QB for the worst team in the AAF
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Breer reporting wayyyy different guaranteed #’s than the $51M gtd we had previously heard
Breer was wrong.
$43M full and $51 for injury
- Jason OTC
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Mosley will continue to wear #57
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C.J. Mosley (groin) is out for Week 8 against the Jaguars.
Mosley was not himself against the Patriots in Week 7, moving poorly in his return from a month-long absence. When asked if the hobbled linebacker would be a candidate for injured reserve, a deflated Adam Gase said, "Everything is on the table." In the midst of a lost season, there's no reason for Mosley to play hurt. This could be the last we see of him in 2019, a disappointing development for a player the Jets invested $85 million in this offseason.
freak groins, man.
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This has to be on our Mt Rushmore of most disappointing seasons
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freak groins, man.
I don't think he really meant he would be on IR. His answer was more along the lines of I won't know anything until next week which he repeated when asked the same question over and over. Eventually he was asked if IR was ruled out and then said the above quote
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Per Cimini
C.J. Mosley (groin) will be out 5-6 weeks, per Gase. No surgery for now. #Jets
Welcome to the NYJ, where FA's career come to die.
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Dude had missed 3 games in his career entering this season
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Dude had missed 3 games in his career entering this season
I'm trying to narrow down the exact moment our franchise became cursed
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I'm trying to narrow down the exact moment our franchise became cursed
Joe Namath fucked some broad that was cursed, it has to be. Once he's dead the Super Bowls will come.
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Officially IR’d
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I also saw somewhere that he’s having surgery. Why the hell did it take so long to make that decision? Let the dude get a jump start on his recovery for next year
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I also saw somewhere that he’s having surgery. Why the hell did it take so long to make that decision? Let the dude get a jump start on his recovery for next year
He is having surgery
Apparently there was a belief he could both avoid surgery and return for the season. It's not like this will have an impact on him getting ready for next year. I think its very reasonable for a player to ideally want to avoid surgery
What I would like to know, is the surgery is listed as a abdominal/groin surgery.
So I'm not sure exactly what happened there. Apparently a sports hernia can cause an abdominal hernia if untreated. So it's possible he's needing two seperate (albeit incredibly simple) surgeries.
More concerning however would be that the recurrence rate for abdominal hernias is significantly higher in people doing strenuous exercise.
So hopefully it's jsut the original groin injury and not both
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His dong was too big. Needed a reduction. Same thing happened to me except mine wasn't too big and I didn't have a reduction
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Was a good three quarters in Week 1.
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Randomly Remembered how good this dude was against Buffalo and then got sad after
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I bet he feels a lot better now than Baltimore is out of the playoffs
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Let’s see what bullshit derriere injury he milks for an entire season next year
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Let’s see what bullshit derriere injury he milks for an entire season next year
Sprained titty.
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Sprained titty.
My gf has two sprained titties. It's why I can never touch them
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Per Cimini
Jets MLB C.J. Mosley, six weeks removed from groin/abdominal surgery, said he's jogging "a little bit" and is on pace to participate in "spring football." Mosley, limited to only two games last season, said he started a vegan diet.
Nothing like having a 170lb MLB
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Per Cimini
Jets MLB C.J. Mosley, six weeks removed from groin/abdominal surgery, said he's jogging "a little bit" and is on pace to participate in "spring football." Mosley, limited to only two games last season, said he started a vegan diet.
Nothing like having a 170lb MLB
LOL true.
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Per Cimini
Jets MLB C.J. Mosley, six weeks removed from groin/abdominal surgery, said he's jogging "a little bit" and is on pace to participate in "spring football." Mosley, limited to only two games last season, said he started a vegan diet.
Nothing like having a 170lb MLB
Loads of athletes, including football players, are vegan. Jurell Casey, Arian Foster, Wesley Woodyard, Ricky Williams, a bunch of boxers and UFC fighters, Georges Laraque, Venus Williams and a whole bunch more. There's no reason that you can't build and maintain significant muscle mass on a vegan diet and there's a lot of evidence that suggests it has a bunch of additional benefits.
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Loads of athletes, including football players, are vegan. Jurell Casey, Arian Foster, Wesley Woodyard, Ricky Williams, a bunch of boxers and UFC fighters, Georges Laraque, Venus Williams and a whole bunch more. There's no reason that you can't build and maintain significant muscle mass on a vegan diet and there's a lot of evidence that suggests it has a bunch of additional benefits.
Not sure about Casey’s situation but when Foster went Vegan he fell off the face of the earth. Ricky Williams literally couldn’t stop smoking weed and left the league. Don’t care about fighters or female tennis players. I want a middle linebacker not a barista. Can’t wait to see him get hurt early or play like excrement and steal another 17 million
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There's no reason that you can't build and maintain significant muscle mass on a vegan diet
You know they don't care about facts, right? It's different and therefore bad.
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You know they don't care about facts, right? It's different and therefore bad.
I’m friends with vegans and share meals with them. I understand how this stuff works. I just think it’s not in a middle linebackers best interests to eat like a rabbit when he’s rehabbing a season ending injury
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I’m friends with vegans and share meals with them. I understand how this stuff works. I just think it’s not in a middle linebackers best interests to eat like a rabbit when he’s rehabbing a season ending injury
He's a millionaire pro athlete with access to the best resources available it doesn't matter what he cuts out of his diet as long as the calories and protein are there.
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Rabbit gainz!
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Robby Anderson survives off a diet of Kool-Aid, Gushers, and Fruit by the Foot and can still perform at a high level
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I hope this doesn't turn out to be a excrement signing for us.
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While I'm 100% against vegan nonsense.
I'd say the quality of carbs is far more important for these dudes athletic performance than protein.
That said he's hopefully going vegetarian and not vegan.
Gotta get them eggs and whey protein gainz
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While I'm 100% against vegan nonsense.
I'd say the quality of carbs is far more important for these dudes athletic performance than protein.
That said he's hopefully going vegetarian and not vegan.
Gotta get them eggs and whey protein gainz
hard boiled eggs w/ garlic cholula sauce is one of my go-to protein snacks.
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hard boiled eggs w/ garlic cholula sauce is one of my go-to protein snacks.
I had to make sure cholula wasn't a type of dog
But eggs are one of the best proteins out there anyway.
oats and whey protein should be a staple for any athlete. But having to switch to soy or pea protein definitely is a significant step down.
I think whey isolate and concentrate has an amino grade of like 1 and 1.09
While pea and soy are like. 8 and. 89
Regardless over the lifespan of his contract I'd imagine the impact is negligible. Long as dude eats his oats and potatoes we good
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He can eat a bag of dicks. Oh wait is that vegan?
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I hope this doesn't turn out to be a excrement signing for us.
It probably will be. Doesn't appear that any Alabama player ever pans out for us. Only exception is Namath.
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It probably will be. Doesn't appear that any Alabama player ever pans out for us. Only exception is Namath.
Richard Todd and Marty Lyons were good.
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Richard Todd and Marty Lyons were good.
#FireTodd
#FireLyons
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#FireTodd
#FireLyons
I will get this to Marty, maybe he'll come and talk to you at the next tailgate.
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I will get this to Marty, maybe he'll come and talk to you at the next tailgate.
I'll meet him at Applebees
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While I'm 100% against vegan nonsense.
I'd say the quality of carbs is far more important for these dudes athletic performance than protein.
That said he's hopefully going vegetarian and not vegan.
Gotta get them eggs and whey protein gainz
Dcm nutritionist mode engaged
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I'll meet him at Applebees
You’ll be sucking cheese dust through a straw after that meeting.
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Loads of athletes, including football players, are vegan. Jurell Casey, Arian Foster, Wesley Woodyard, Ricky Williams, a bunch of boxers and UFC fighters, Georges Laraque, Venus Williams and a whole bunch more. There's no reason that you can't build and maintain significant muscle mass on a vegan diet and there's a lot of evidence that suggests it has a bunch of additional benefits.
And there is also a large amount of data to counter some any claim that going vegan is anything remotely optimal for performance sports. It's not, and it's foolish to believe that just because any one particular athlete can do it, so can everyone else.
Far too many people want to go vegan after watching game-changers, and it's infuriating. Pushing aside the Director James Cameron's obvious conflict of interest when directing that film (a multi-million dollar investment is plant-based protein company), the science behind vegan diets being beneficial for performance, AND HEALTH, is incredibly flawed.
The bias is strong, and misleading.
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And there is also a large amount of data to counter some any claim that going vegan is anything remotely optimal for performance sports. It's not, and it's foolish to believe that just because any one particular athlete can do it, so can everyone else.
Far too many people want to go vegan after watching game-changers, and it's infuriating. Pushing aside the Director James Cameron's obvious conflict of interest when directing that film (a multi-million dollar investment is plant-based protein company), the science behind vegan diets being beneficial for performance, AND HEALTH, is incredibly flawed.
The bias is strong, and misleading.
I haven't seen the film and I'm not for a moment suggesting that vegan is better, only that vegan isn't necessarily bad.
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I haven't seen the film and I'm not for a moment suggesting that vegan is better, only that vegan isn't necessarily bad.
I actually support a vegan diet (I couldn’t do it myself I don’t think) but not for an NFL linebacker.
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While I in no way support veganism and think people who do it are douchey hippies, why do people think it's bad for an athlete?
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While I in no way support veganism and think people who do it are douchey hippies, why do people think it's bad for an athlete?
Because it’s a lot easier getting protein and fats from non-vegan sources. These guys need to eat mega calories.
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Because it’s a lot easier getting protein and fats from non-vegan sources. These guys need to eat mega calories.
Nuts and oils primarily are almost completely not meats. Not to mention in an athlete probably 60% + of your calories should be coming from carbohydrates
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Nuts and oils primarily are almost completely not meats. Not to mention in an athlete probably 60% + of your calories should be coming from carbohydrates
Sure sounds good. I’ll be watching his play on the field next year. Have a feeling it’ll be lacking in the production or injury department
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Sure sounds good. I’ll be watching his play on the field next year. Have a feeling it’ll be lacking in the production or injury department
Possible but I'd imagine it has more to do with him spending this year injured than being a hippy
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hard boiled eggs w/ garlic cholula sauce is one of my go-to protein snacks.
found the source of the Coronavirus
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I haven't seen the film and I'm not for a moment suggesting that vegan is better, only that vegan isn't necessarily bad.
The argument isn’t that it’s bad, just that it’s far from optimal.
I don’t think it’s the best fit for a player like Mosley either, but i have no freaking idea what I’m talking about so I’ll trust the professional athlete, nutritionist, and trainers on this one.
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found the source of the Coronavirus
Keep that under your hood, skippy.
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found the source of the Coronavirus
hahahahahahahaha
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I actually support a vegan diet (I couldn’t do it myself I don’t think) but not for an NFL linebacker.
I don’t mind a vegan diet if it’s for ethical reasons. However in regards to sports performance or health, it’s absolutely asinine. But cracks me up whenever someone says they’re going vegan for health purposes. It’s not a healthy diet, not in the least.
There are so many deficiencies in the vegan diet that it’s going to require a significant amount of supplementation just not be deficient in iron, zinc, calcium, B12, vitamin D, omega-3 fatty acids just to name a few.
It’s also been observed that vegan athletes tend to recover slower, and lose it significant amount of strength and muscle mass.
Not to get all n = 1, but I’ve tried the vegan diet for 8 weeks and it sucked. easy to pull off, it’s simplifies food choices for sure, but I was never more sick in my life. Repeatedly was fighting bouts of colds for about four consecutive weeks. It was ridiculous and my immune system was shot.
I also lost a significant amount of strength and muscle mass, DEXA scan verified.
Definitely not ideal for an athlete.
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Of all the reasons someone may choose to keep a vegan diet, doing it for health reasons is probably the one I respect the least.
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I don’t mind a vegan diet if it’s for ethical reasons. However in regards to sports performance or health, it’s absolutely asinine. But cracks me up whenever someone says they’re going vegan for health purposes. It’s not a healthy diet, not in the least.
There are so many deficiencies in the vegan diet that it’s going to require a significant amount of supplementation just not be deficient in iron, zinc, calcium, B12, vitamin D, omega-3 fatty acids just to name a few.
It’s also been observed that vegan athletes tend to recover slower, and lose it significant amount of strength and muscle mass.
Not to get all n = 1, but I’ve tried the vegan diet for 8 weeks and it sucked. easy to pull off, it’s simplifies food choices for sure, but I was never more sick in my life. Repeatedly was fighting bouts of colds for about four consecutive weeks. It was ridiculous and my immune system was shot.
I also lost a significant amount of strength and muscle mass, DEXA scan verified.
Definitely not ideal for an athlete.
If you're losing a "significant" amount of muscle strength/mass in 8 weeks it's either because you stopped your anabolic steroids, or are starving yourself.
Muscle isn't magic, you don't naturally gain or lose it that quickly. Even as a vegan hippie douche.
Outside of genetics macros are king. There's no freaking way you're losing significant muscle while eating at a surplus and getting adequate protein. Even if it's from peas legumes soy and quinoa
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If you're losing a "significant" amount of muscle strength/mass in 8 weeks it's either because you stopped your anabolic steroids, or are starving yourself.
Wrong. The degree in which you lose weight is determined by the deficit, and the more aggressive the deficit, the more susceptible you are to losing muscle. This is becomes significantly amplified when choosing your protein sources as a vegan.
Steroids are a non-factor, but thanks for playing.
Muscle isn't magic, you don't naturally gain or lose it that quickly. Even as a vegan hippie douche.
Wrong again. Gaining it quickly sans PEDs is definitely against everything we know and have researched. But you can lose it, and lose it fast if the diet is structured poorly or are lacking complete protein sources.
Luckily once the foundation is build, muscle comes back almost just as fast. New muscle on the other hand, nah...
Outside of genetics macros are king. There's no freaking way you're losing significant muscle while eating at a surplus and getting adequate protein. Even if it's from peas legumes soy and quinoa
Hello, Strawman. Who said I was eating in a surplus? I sure as hell didn't.
Macros are "king" for composition, but you'd be foolish to believe they were the only variable that mattered.
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Do you have anything to back your assertion that you can rapidly lose muscle mass while adequately consuming protein from vegan sources and lifting heavy excrement up as well?
Because I would bet money you're not losing a significant amount of muscle mass while eating 150-200g of pea protein a day
And my point was nobody rapidly loses muscle unless they're literally starving, or their muscles were abnormally inflated (ie roids)
So you're saying you lost muscle while eating at a deficit, but vegan was the problem? Say it ain't so!
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Do you have anything to back your assertion that you can rapidly lose muscle mass while adequately consuming protein from vegan sources and lifting heavy excrement up as well?
Because I would bet money you're not losing a significant amount of muscle mass while eating 150-200g of pea protein a day
And my point was nobody rapidly loses muscle unless they're literally starving, or their muscles were abnormally inflated (ie roids)
So you're saying you lost muscle while eating at a deficit, but vegan was the problem? Say it ain't so!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5598028/
I don't post here often anymore, but when I do, it's for a reason. I sincerely do not miss sh*tposts like the one which I can't believe I'm actually wasting time to entertain, but alas here we are:
Not surprisingly, you don't seem to understand how the human body works nor how to properly construct a diet if you think losing a significant amount muscle mass (50% of losses) while in a deficit is considered normal. Muscle loss is inevitable at times, yes. No one is arguing this.
During this particular observation, 200g+ protein was consumed for a 195lb at 12% body fat, subject for the duration of this study, on the exact same training protocol, exact same deficit, with the only variable being food sources coming from the Vegan diet. The sources of protein were diversified, including but not limited to soy, tempeh, seitan, vegan protein powder, beans, lentils, nut, and other trace proteins from various food sources.
The deficit was moderate over the course of 8 weeks losing 8 lbs (4lbs of muscle) at 500 calories per week. That's 50%, which is significant for anyone, at any level of body fat. But since you seem like an "expert" on the matter, you already knew that just by doing simple math.
The loss of strength/muscle can be for a variety of reasons: Incomplete sources of protein, low levels of creatine and muscle carnosine, needing to supplement with ergogenic aids to offset any strength lose (while alone can equate to muscle loss due to reduce muscle stimulus and activation), as well as the limited bioavailability of many vital nutrients from vegan sources such as b12 which its role is to convert carbohydrate into glucose, sort of a necessary function for a strength or performance athlete.
This has absolutely nothing to do with PEDs. They are not a variable to consider, nor do I suspect that are with the likes of most athletes who go from omnivore to vegan. They usually do it for health purposes above all, and people invested in their health typically don't entertain the idea of PEDs.
So please, kindly sit down, sir. I am happy to take the knowledge I've acquired over the years to teach and educate you on such matters, or you can continue to act like a smug know-it-all. It's your choice.
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Klax comes out of retirement only to be subjected to dcm’s theories on the human body, you hate to see it
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Klax comes out of retirement only to be subjected to dcm’s theories on the human body, you hate to see it
LOL can be overused but I'm still laughing and my dogs are looking at me funny. Just us here.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5598028/
I don't post here often anymore, but when I do, it's for a reason. I sincerely do not miss sh*tposts like the one which I can't believe I'm actually wasting time to entertain, but alas here we are:
Not surprisingly, you don't seem to understand how the human body works nor how to properly construct a diet if you think losing a significant amount muscle mass (50% of losses) while in a deficit is considered normal. Muscle loss is inevitable at times, yes. No one is arguing this.
During this particular observation, 200g+ protein was consumed for a 195lb at 12% body fat, subject for the duration of this study, on the exact same training protocol, exact same deficit, with the only variable being food sources coming from the Vegan diet. The sources of protein were diversified, including but not limited to soy, tempeh, seitan, vegan protein powder, beans, lentils, nut, and other trace proteins from various food sources.
The deficit was moderate over the course of 8 weeks losing 8 lbs (4lbs of muscle) at 500 calories per week. That's 50%, which is significant for anyone, at any level of body fat. But since you seem like an "expert" on the matter, you already knew that just by doing simple math.
The loss of strength/muscle can be for a variety of reasons: Incomplete sources of protein, low levels of creatine and muscle carnosine, needing to supplement with ergogenic aids to offset any strength lose (while alone can equate to muscle loss due to reduce muscle stimulus and activation), as well as the limited bioavailability of many vital nutrients from vegan sources such as b12 which its role is to convert carbohydrate into glucose, sort of a necessary function for a strength or performance athlete.
This has absolutely nothing to do with PEDs. They are not a variable to consider, nor do I suspect that are with the likes of most athletes who go from omnivore to vegan. They usually do it for health purposes above all, and people invested in their health typically don't entertain the idea of PEDs.
So please, kindly sit down, sir. I am happy to take the knowledge I've acquired over the years to teach and educate you on such matters, or you can continue to act like a smug know-it-all. It's your choice.
While I don't see that single participant study you quoted in the article you linked
I did realize that the article that you provided literally says this
However, through the strategic selection and management of food choices, and with special attention being paid to the achievement of energy, macro and micronutrient recommendations, along with appropriate supplementation, a vegan diet can achieve the needs of most athletes satisfactorily.
Which I would of course interpret as
A vegan diet can achieve the needs of most athletes satisfactorily
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His lack of gainz will cost us cap space.
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Mosley coming back healthy and producing at a pro bowl level is all i care about...whatever diet he follows is a moot point.
The Jets invested heavily in him last year, I want to see a ROI.
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a few things
- i wouldn't go as far as saying a vegan diet is not a 'healthy diet'. i feel you may have stated 'unhealthy' in the sense that a vegan diet means you are lacking in other vitamins and nutrients, fine. however, there are studies that have shown vegan diets to actually REVERSE coronary atherosclerotic disease, something you cannot even say of statins or lipid-lowering therapies
- as DCM has already mentioned, the review you posted ended with something along the lines of...through supplementation and strategic planning, a vegan diet can be fine for an athlete. now what does that mean for the top level 1% athletes we find in pro sports? i don't know, i didn't read the full article, and i'm not going to
- not to discount the results of the observational n=1 study, but a study like that is not a strong study. it's an anecdote. however, i'm sure there are other studies out there with larger sample sizes and better study designs that have found similar results. i'm not going to spend time looking for them
- honestly, the main point with all this stuff is that...higher quality research is needed in this area. i'm sure there could be double blinded, randomized control studies set up that look at the effects of a vegan vs non-vegan diet, and then reviews and meta-analyses afterwards to increase power, but that's going to take a lot of time and effort. i'm by no means a robust researcher but even i can identify how setting up a study like that reasonably may prove difficult with regards to study participants, confounders, stratifying the participants into different 'categories' of human/athlete, etc etc. main point is, higher quality research is needed.
honestly, none of this matters. the reason for CJ Mosely being CJ Groinley this year is because he joined the jets. this is what happens, this is what we are. he was not a vegan last year and he still had an injury stint unlike any other he has had in his career previously. if he sucks or is injured next year, it's not going to be because he turned vegan. it's because he signed with the jets.
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a few things
- i wouldn't go as far as saying a vegan diet is not a 'healthy diet'. i feel you may have stated 'unhealthy' in the sense that a vegan diet means you are lacking in other vitamins and nutrients, fine. however, there are studies that have shown vegan diets to actually REVERSE coronary atherosclerotic disease, something you cannot even say of statins or lipid-lowering therapies
- as DCM has already mentioned, the review you posted ended with something along the lines of...through supplementation and strategic planning, a vegan diet can be fine for an athlete. now what does that mean for the top level 1% athletes we find in pro sports? i don't know, i didn't read the full article, and i'm not going to
- not to discount the results of the observational n=1 study, but a study like that is not a strong study. it's an anecdote. however, i'm sure there are other studies out there with larger sample sizes and better study designs that have found similar results. i'm not going to spend time looking for them
- honestly, the main point with all this stuff is that...higher quality research is needed in this area. i'm sure there could be double blinded, randomized control studies set up that look at the effects of a vegan vs non-vegan diet, and then reviews and meta-analyses afterwards to increase power, but that's going to take a lot of time and effort. i'm by no means a robust researcher but even i can identify how setting up a study like that reasonably may prove difficult with regards to study participants, confounders, stratifying the participants into different 'categories' of human/athlete, etc etc. main point is, higher quality research is needed.
honestly, none of this matters. the reason for CJ Mosely being CJ Groinley this year is because he joined the jets. this is what happens, this is what we are. he was not a vegan last year and he still had an injury stint unlike any other he has had in his career previously. if he sucks or is injured next year, it's not going to be because he turned vegan. it's because he signed with the jets.
This.
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While I don't see that single participant study you quoted in the article you linked
I did realize that the article that you provided literally says this
Which I would of course interpret as
A vegan diet can achieve the needs of most athletes satisfactorily
"Special Attention" = Very carefully crafted and highly supplemented regimen.
"Can be" = It's possible, but not certain.
"Most Atheletes" = Probably not for elite athletes
Look, I’ll be the first to admit that this topic requires much more additional research. However, the limitations a vegan diet presents does anything but support the notion that high-performance elite athletes can thrive like their omnivore counterparts.
The n=1 study is anything but reliable from a scientific standpoint, and yes it is anecdotal. But the observation was carefully crafted and controlled, and reviewed by scientific peers who felt the findings were consistent with many pre-conceived beliefs about the limitations about the vegan diet.
To make matters worse, high-carb, low-fat diets, which vegan diets usually are typically are problematic from testosterone production, and sex-hormone binding globulin. This means lower free and total testosterone, which has a significantly negative correlation with muscle mass and overall strength output.
Again, it requires more research because it simply has not been studied closely enough, but the evidence thus far is suggesting that this is diet is far from optimal for elite strength athletes, which an NFL Linebacker is.
I would attach a review of the limitations form the Aug 2017 AARR, but it's size is too large (2.1MB)
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In conclusion: don’t go vegan unless you want to be transformed into a soy boy beta cuck with bitch funbags.
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In conclusion: don’t go vegan unless you want to be transformed into a soy boy beta cuck with bitch funbags.
LOL, not quite what I was going for but that nails the stereotype perfectly.
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B12, D3, certain amino acids/omega-3s, iron, etc. can all be seriously lacking in a vegan diet if you don't eat targeted foods or take supplements. None of us are gonna be tracking Groinley's diet so who knows, but it is something that could occur if he doesn't do it meticulously.
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Klax comes out of retirement only to be subjected to dcm’s theories on the human body, you hate to see it
lmaooooo
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Everything in moderation
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Everything in moderation
Bahahaha. Yeah, not so much for finely tuned athletes. Regular Joe Schmoes, sure...
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Bahahaha. Yeah, not so much for finely tuned athletes. Regular Joe Schmoes, sure...
Moderation in moderation?
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bo is a doctor, kind of, so I'm going with him on this subject.
Speaking of which, my dog got in a fight this morning, got his mouth cut but threw the other dog down in like 2 seconds and I had to pull him off. freaking 9 year old St Bernard but he can still throw, glad the other dog was ok. A Pit Bull, jumped his fence and ran at my boy.
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bo is a doctor, kind of, so I'm going with him on this subject.
Speaking of which, my dog got in a fight this morning, got his mouth cut but threw the other dog down in like 2 seconds and I had to pull him off. freaking 9 year old St Bernard but he can still throw, glad the other dog was ok. A Pit Bull, jumped his fence and ran at my boy.
Only fight in moderation
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Only fight in moderation
Glad he let up when I pulled his collar, that's not a fight I wanted to be involved in.
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This is the stupidest thread in the history of this site.
That is saying alot
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This is the stupidest thread in the history of this site.
That is saying alot
imo this thread still hasn't reached the gay levels seen in the gase thread yet
also, today i just clocked that there is still a gay DH debate going on in the baseball forum, and it has been months, maybe even close to a year
i think this place and you guys are great but it's funny thinking about just how many gay threads we can find here
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imo this thread still hasn't reached the gay levels seen in the gase thread yet
also, today i just clocked that there is still a gay DH debate going on in the baseball forum, and it has been months, maybe even close to a year
i think this place and you guys are great but it's funny thinking about just how many gay threads we can find here
Hard to argue with this. I tried to balance the vegan excrement with my dog getting in a fight this morning, not much I can do for the Gase or DH threads.
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Fellas, semen can be considered vegan (ethically speaking) if the producer of the semen consents to your consumption of it.
There, is this the gayest thread now?
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imo this thread still hasn't reached the gay levels seen in the gase thread yet
also, today i just clocked that there is still a gay DH debate going on in the baseball forum, and it has been months, maybe even close to a year
i think this place and you guys are great but it's funny thinking about just how many gay threads we can find here
Can’t officially be the gayest thread on the site until Puck posts in here
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I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than having a daughter. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are feeding, clothing, raising and rearing a girl for at least 18 years solely so she can go and get ravaged by another man. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little girl - reading her stories at bedtime, making her go to sports practice, making sure she had a healthy diet, educating her, playing with her. All of it has one simple result: her body is more enjoyable for the men that will eventually fuk her in every hole.
Raised the perfect girl? Great. Who benefits? If you're lucky, a random man who had nothing to do with the way she grew up, who marries her. He gets to fuk her tight hoo-ha every night. He gets the benefits of her kind and sweet personality that came from the way you raised her.
As a man who has a daughter, you are LITERALLY dedicating at least 20 years of your life simply to raise a girl for another man to enjoy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck. Think about it logically.
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I cannot think or comprehend of anything more cucked than having a daughter. Honestly, think about it rationally. You are feeding, clothing, raising and rearing a girl for at least 18 years solely so she can go and get ravaged by another man. All the hard work you put into your beautiful little girl - reading her stories at bedtime, making her go to sports practice, making sure she had a healthy diet, educating her, playing with her. All of it has one simple result: her body is more enjoyable for the men that will eventually fuk her in every hole.
Raised the perfect girl? Great. Who benefits? If you're lucky, a random man who had nothing to do with the way she grew up, who marries her. He gets to fuk her tight hoo-ha every night. He gets the benefits of her kind and sweet personality that came from the way you raised her.
As a man who has a daughter, you are LITERALLY dedicating at least 20 years of your life simply to raise a girl for another man to enjoy. It is the ULTIMATE AND FINAL cuck. Think about it logically.
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You know, I think I'm noticing a pattern thanks to this last page...
People who "enjoy" the inferior league in baseball also side with Adam Gase.
Things make so much more sense now.
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You know, I think I'm noticing a pattern thanks to this last page...
People who "enjoy" the inferior league in baseball also side with Adam Gase.
Things make so much more sense now.
solid work, gumshoe.
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You know, I think I'm noticing a pattern thanks to this last page...
People who "enjoy" the inferior league in baseball also side with Adam Gase.
Things make so much more sense now.
Spot on, the DH is bullshit and isn't baseball. Adam Gase is a terrible piece of excrement and shouldn't be employed.
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Another theory down the drain.
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Another theory down the drain.
Not really, it just means that IATA is at least halfway down the road to enlightenment.
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You know, I think I'm noticing a pattern thanks to this last page...
People who "enjoy" the inferior league in baseball also side with Adam Gase.
Things make so much more sense now.
ya got me!
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Ethan Greenberg
@EGreenbergJets
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#Jets LB C.J. Mosley said he's been cleared "to do everything" and expects he'll be able to participate in training camp.
LFG
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Ethan Greenberg
@EGreenbergJets
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#Jets LB C.J. Mosley said he's been cleared "to do everything" and expects he'll be able to participate in training camp.
LFG
Well of course he's going to be able to participate in virtual training camp
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Well of course he's going to be able to participate in virtual training camp
Can't quite click and drag yet, but ok'd to scroll.
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“Sorry, video isn’t working. Wow those sprints were really tiring, though, right?”
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Hng
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So does this mean that they're both cleared now? I can't remember where Avery was with his rehab.
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So does this mean that they're both cleared now? I can't remember where Avery was with his rehab.
Williamson was sprinting a few months ago. If he wasn't good to go, I think Douglas would've canned him.
We have a very strong group at ILB. Wouldn't surprised if Blake Cashman doesn't make the team. I hope he does, but James Burgess is definitely ILB 3 behind Mosley and Williamson. Not sure Cashman can take a roster spot away from Neville Hewitt either.
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I think the best shot Cashman has to getting paid by the Jets this season is getting put on IR during training camp.
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I think the best shot Cashman has to getting paid by the Jets this season is getting put on IR during training camp.
He has great speed for a linebacker and he's pretty smart. If he stays healthy through camp and the preseason, he could hang on as a special teamer.
Not sure how much input Gregg Williams had with that pick last year.
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We need more black guys with white guy names.
#JoshSZN
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Manish Mehta
@MMehtaNYDN
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Gregg Williams on C.J. Mosley: "He may be the best I've ever been with in my life at NFL level (in that) he stayed active, energized & led this football team behind the scenes. He prepared like he was getting ready to play that week. CJ showed tremendous leadership in doing that"
please stay healthy this year
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It's hard to put yourself in the position of a pro athlete but he seems like a hard worker and a great dude. And given his salary, I would want to prove to the Jets that I'm worth it. He had such a ridiculous impact in the 1st half of the Bills game, and then he was just done
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Manish Mehta
@MMehtaNYDN
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Gregg Williams on C.J. Mosley: "He may be the best I've ever been with in my life at NFL level (in that) he stayed active, energized & led this football team behind the scenes. He prepared like he was getting ready to play that week. CJ showed tremendous leadership in doing that"
please stay healthy this year
CJ needs to reach out to Jamal Adams and tell him to chill.
I don't care if it's Gase or Douglas or Adams at fault here. Adams is showing his derriere no matter what's going on behind the scenes.
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https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1286287808987115525?s=19
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Gonna need this dawg for a full season this year
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Gonna need this dawg for a full season this year
Protect that peepee
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"Could be a game changer"? After the freaking contract he got he better add something.
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https://deadspin.com/c-j-mosley-on-nfls-protocols-this-aint-it-1844506818 (https://deadspin.com/c-j-mosley-on-nfls-protocols-this-aint-it-1844506818)
Legit point made by Mosley here. We haven’t heard anything about restrictions on owners, GMs, scouts, or other FO workers, all of whom would be around players constantly yet as far as we know, completely unrestricted to attend any establishment they choose. At this point I think the NFL should be striving for transparency on limitations for the HQ and team FO workers, if only to show that they are serious about a pandemic that is starting to peak in the nation AGAIN.
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He’s opting out, and Williamson on PUP. We’re fucked.
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Does opting have any impact on players contracts?
Because at this point I'd like us to move on from. Mosley as soon as financially possible
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Just postpones everything for a year
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I suppose in theory if the Jets weren't going to compete this year and the cap space rolls over then this could theoretically be a good thing. Assuming he can play at a high level after not playing for two years
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I suppose in theory if the Jets weren't going to compete this year and the cap space rolls over then this could theoretically be a good thing. Assuming he can play at a high level after not playing for two years
i think this is the most annoying part of his holding out. what level he'll be capable of by the time he gets back. he already completely changed his diet to non-meat and we were wondering how it would affect his physical fitness/play. now he's going to have no field time for 2 years and be nearly 30 by the time he has a chance to play meaningful football for us
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i think this is the most annoying part of his holding out. what level he'll be capable of by the time he gets back. he already completely changed his diet to non-meat and we were wondering how it would affect his physical fitness/play. now he's going to have no field time for 2 years and be nearly 30 by the time he has a chance to play meaningful football for us
That's my biggest concern about the opting out
Pushing back older players a year
I mean for a young dude in their 20s its no big deal. And Mosley isn't old enoguh that it'll be an issue (but him missing two years in a row is)
But if you have a guy in his early to mid 30s opting out getting paid big money, that excrement can really freak your franchise
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Joe Blewett
@Joerb31
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The positive of the CJ Mosley sitting out.
1. He will definitely(hopefully) be fully healthy by next year
2. He will be locked in for 2021/22, years where the Jets will look to compete
3. Lower draft pick this year (potentially) leading to a better player Man shrugging
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The other positive is we already played all year without him last year, so Williams has some ideas of how to run the defense
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Man shrugging
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Can the entire team opt out?
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Can the entire team opt out?
Darnold opting out would essentially be that
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If we lose Nathan Shepherd I’m opting out as a fan
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If we lose Nathan Shepherd I’m opting out as a fan
Ft. Hayes pedigree (and PED charge) aside we still have Folorunso Fatukasi who imho may end up being a better late-round steal.
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Ft. Hayes pedigree (and PED charge) aside we still have Folorunso Fatukasi who imho may end up being a better late-round steal.
Never heard of this Fatukasi guy. Where did we get him from
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Connor Hughes
One additional positive to C.J. Mosley opting out for this season: It gives the #Jets more cap space for 2021. Previously, Mosley was set to have a $17.5 million cap hit. Now, it will just be $7.5 (2020 base, 2020 prorated signing bonus).
August 1, 2020 3:01pm EDT
Probably doesn't mean excrement l in the grand scheme of things as it just pushes his huge cap hit back a year towards Sams prime. But if next year the cap takes a bath, this could be fairly beneficial
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I wonder if the NFL does go well if some guys will try to opt back in. Nick Markakis is doing that with the Braves in MLB. He opted out, and then he opted back in once the season started. If things go well, maybe Mosley comes back down the line.
It just sucks because he and Adams were literally the only two players on the roster who are proven high quality players at their position. The two best players on our roster are gone in a week. The good news is that it's only a safety and an ILB leaving, and we also have very good depth on paper at both positions, even without them. We can still have a good defense even without those two. The team still lives and dies with Darnold's development and our ability to block for him.
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This actually put me down. I was fine with Adams leaving because we have talent at the safety position. Not amazing talent but decent starters. We have nothing at LB. The two who played last season sucked and Williamson is on PUP. This is a major blow for our chances of having a good season. There’s no way to sugarcoat it.
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This actually put me down. I was fine with Adams leaving because we have talent at the safety position. Not amazing talent but decent starters. We have nothing at LB. The two who played last season sucked and Williamson is on PUP. This is a major blow for our chances of having a good season. There’s no way to sugarcoat it.
I'm hoping they're playing it safe with Williamson.
We have Hewitt, Burgess, Cashman and Onwuasor inside. That's the same group we had last year with an extra year of experience, plus Onwuasor.
It's a clear step down from Mosley. But if Williamson is healthy, I still think we have a respectable ILB crew. Nothing great, but we were fine enough there last year.
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How long is Williamson PUP’ed for? Is this just the start of camp list? Or is this the first 6 weeks of the season list.?
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Opting out on that Gase final season. Man you know this dude regrets not re-signing with Baltimore.
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Man you know this dude regrets not re-signing with Baltimore.
I'm sure he sleeps well on top of that pile of money Mike Maccagnan gave him.
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Looks like red dreads, meaning an old pic.
He had blonde tips or natural hair color most recently.
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Mosley did more in 3 quarters against Buffalo last year than Bell has in 2 seasons. Pretty useless crop of FAs thus far.
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Glad he's taking the season off to avoid the risk of COVID so he can go to a bar. Hopefully that's an old pic, otherwise he's full of excrement.
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https://twitter.com/sunnyshadez/status/1394365271322808323?s=21
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You can tell from the pixels that his vegan diet will hamper him significantly.
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You can tell from the pixels that his vegan diet will hamper him significantly.
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Who dis?
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https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-lb-c-j-mosley-return-after-nearly-two-years-has-been-a-breath-of-fresh-air
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You can tell from the pixels that his vegan diet will hamper him significantly.
I sincerely hope not, but I'm not going to buy-in to a offseason fluff piece just yet. Mosley should still be a damn good football player, I just hope he hasn't lost a step.
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I sincerely hope not, but I'm not going to buy-in to a offseason fluff piece just yet. Mosley should still be a damn good football player, I just hope he hasn't lost a step.
Alex Smith's right leg went vegan in 2018 and look what happened to it.
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Alex Smith's right leg went vegan in 2018 and look what happened to it.
It went limp.
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Mosley looked like a freaking cancer patient at his press conference today
https://youtu.be/_I1Xr2190wE
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Mosley looked like a freaking cancer patient at his press conference today
https://youtu.be/_I1Xr2190wE
I'm happy. Hopefully he'll be faster because we need speed at LB. I can't imagine being thinner will affect his ability to tackle or hit people.
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I'm happy. Hopefully he'll be faster because we need speed at LB. I can't imagine being thinner will affect his ability to tackle or hit people.
Physics would suggest being thinner will affect his ability to tackle and hit people, unless he's developed a significant increase in acceleration.
Most significantly I'd imagine it would effect his ability to stay healthy. Especially when you're a dude expected to get over 100 tackles
According to Mosley he is around 20 pounds lighter than he was his last season, and he's never been this light of a weight in the NFL before
(according to him he's around 230 pounds)
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Physics would suggest being thinner will affect his ability to tackle and hit people, unless he's developed a significant increase in acceleration.
Most significantly I'd imagine it would effect his ability to stay healthy. Especially when you're a dude expected to get over 100 tackles
Better to hit them a little than be running 10 yards behind them.
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Better to hit them a little than be running 10 yards behind them.
Reading his comments on his weight loss makes it all the worrisome
Originally I wrote it off as just the way he was dressed or something.
But he's legit never been this light ever before in his nfl career
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Reading his comments on his weight loss makes it all the worrisome
Originally I wrote it off as just the way he was dressed or something.
But he's legit never been this light ever before in his nfl career
He'll be fine.
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He'll be fine.
Could always play him at corner
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Physics would suggest being thinner will affect his ability to tackle and hit people, unless he's developed a significant increase in acceleration.
Most significantly I'd imagine it would effect his ability to stay healthy. Especially when you're a dude expected to get over 100 tackles
According to Mosley he is around 20 pounds lighter than he was his last season, and he's never been this light of a weight in the NFL before
(according to him he's around 230 pounds)
You need to be 250+ in a base 3-4 where you're routinely taking on guards. That's not going to happen as often in Saleh's system. Q and Co. can deal with the linemen and the linebackers can just fly.
We won't know about Mosley's conditioning until we start seeing live football, but the weight loss in and of itself seems sensible to me.
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You need to be 250+ in a base 3-4 where you're routinely taking on guards. That's not going to happen as often in Saleh's system. Q and Co. can deal with the linemen and the linebackers can just fly.
We won't know about Mosley's conditioning until we start seeing live football, but the weight loss in and of itself seems sensible to me.
I will concede that every single one of the 49ers starting linebackers weighs roughly 230 pounds, which is almost exactly Mosleys current stated weight
I suppose the worry some factor is he's been away from football for 2 years and has never played at this weight before.
So TBD how he performs
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I suppose the worry some factor is he's been away from football for 2 years.
That's the concern.
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I will concede that every single one of the 49ers starting linebackers weighs roughly 230 pounds, which is almost exactly Mosleys current stated weight
I suppose the worry some factor is he's been away from football for 2 years and has never played at this weight before.
So TBD how he performs
The hardest pound for pound hitters on almost any team are the guys who weigh 210 to 230 and can fly
Hes got 4 DL in front of him now which means he needs to cover more ground and should be able to do so without taking on as many blockers
I'm not worried . The guy has made a career off vision and effort. That doesn't go anywhere regardless of what he looks like in the weight room
Rust is a far bigger worry for me
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The hardest pound for pound hitters on almost any team are the guys who weigh 210 to 230 and can fly
Hes got 4 DL in front of him now which means he needs to cover more ground and should be able to do so without taking on as many blockers
I'm not worried . The guy has made a career off vision and effort. That doesn't go anywhere regardless of what he looks like in the weight room
Rust is a far bigger worry for me
In other words…. By dropping weight the dude is going to be quite a bit faster. One of the “knocks” on Mosely is that he’s never been an elite athlete for the position, he’s always been a good enough athlete and smarter than most, which has allowed to him to succeed. Now he should be faster/more athletic at a lighter weight. So theoretically you could have one of the most cerebral players at the position is getting faster.
Given he shouldnt “need” the weight to consistently take on lineman, his speed should allow him to get sideline to sideline much more quickly
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Feels like some of you (yes, you, dcm) need to remember some grade 9 physics.
F = M x A
Force = mass x acceleration
Therefore:
M x A = F
The only variable we know is mass, so let's work with that. CJM was 250lbs and is now 230lbs, which means that he has reduced M by 8%. If he has improved A by 9% or more, that means that he is hitting harder.
The concern here is durability, but knowledge of contact sports tells us that technique reduces the risk of tackle related injury and we know that one of Mosley's greatest strengths is his technique.
In conclusion, I am not concerned about this. Klax will be along shortly to explain why this is all wrong and related to his lack of consuming chicken breasts, eggs, protein powder and anger.
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put in baseball/softball terms:
Bat 'A' weighs 'X' ounces
Increasing the weight (X) by 10% while swinging the bat at a fixed velocity (speed): batted ball goes 10% farther
Increasing the bat's velocity (bat speed) by 10% with the same weight (X): batted ball goes 21% farther.
When applicable, never sacrifice speed for weight alone
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What have we become?
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What have we become?
This all seems pretty on brand for everyone involved.
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What have we become?
Experts in cancer physics
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Feels like some of you (yes, you, dcm) need to remember some grade 9 physics.
F = M x A
Force = mass x acceleration
Therefore:
M x A = F
The only variable we know is mass, so let's work with that. CJM was 250lbs and is now 230lbs, which means that he has reduced M by 8%. If he has improved A by 9% or more, that means that he is hitting harder.
The concern here is durability, but knowledge of contact sports tells us that technique reduces the risk of tackle related injury and we know that one of Mosley's greatest strengths is his technique.
In conclusion, I am not concerned about this. Klax will be along shortly to explain why this is all wrong and related to his lack of consuming chicken breasts, eggs, protein powder and anger.
I literally said this. My exact words
Physics would suggest being thinner will affect his ability to tackle and hit people, unless he's developed a significant increase in acceleration
And an 8-9% increase in acceleration is MASSIVE
I'd go as far as saying an 8 to 9 % increase in acceleration as an elite athlete is probably somewhere between unlikely and impossible
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(https://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1341794439360_7477381.png)
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This all seems pretty on brand for everyone involved.
Experts in cancer physics
Experts in cancer physics
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Feels like some of you (yes, you, dcm) need to remember some grade 9 physics.
F = M x A
Force = mass x acceleration
Therefore:
M x A = F
The only variable we know is mass, so let's work with that. CJM was 250lbs and is now 230lbs, which means that he has reduced M by 8%. If he has improved A by 9% or more, that means that he is hitting harder.
The concern here is durability, but knowledge of contact sports tells us that technique reduces the risk of tackle related injury and we know that one of Mosley's greatest strengths is his technique.
In conclusion, I am not concerned about this. Klax will be along shortly to explain why this is all wrong and related to his lack of consuming chicken breasts, eggs, protein powder and anger.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/61234168.jpg)
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Been away for a while... First post I see when I come back is a physics lesson. Fun
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https://twitter.com/jetlifenews/status/1425270711380291590?s=21
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I DON'T SEE ANY CHICKEN BREAST
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https://twitter.com/jetlifenews/status/1425270711380291590?s=21
Yea but his diet, tho
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https://twitter.com/jetlifenews/status/1425270711380291590?s=21
I mean there's hyperbole and then there's just silliness.
TWENTY-THREE HOURS A DAY HE'S DOWN HERE
Bruh go get some sun, goddamn
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https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1426745849523101698?s=19
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https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1426745849523101698?s=19
No one is sleeping on anyone. Not sure where he is getting that. And they aren't gonna blow anyone out. I guess he's hyped after the game.
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No one is sleeping on anyone. Not sure where he is getting that. And they aren't gonna blow anyone out. I guess he's hyped after the game.
The Jets are a laughingstock with the longest playoff drought. Nobody thinks the Jets will be good. Everyone is sleeping on the Jets. Likely for good reason but there is a path to success.
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The Jets are a laughingstock with the longest playoff drought. Nobody thinks the Jets will be good. Everyone is sleeping on the Jets. Likely for good reason but there is a path to success.
Yeah the Jets are probably the team considered by more than any other to be the worst in the league.
The Jets have a highly questionable secondary and one of the biggest question marks in the league at QB.
If Wilson is flat out bad or struggles with injuries the Jets could be a legit contender for the 1st overall pick, since we almost certainly have the worst QB depth in the league by a clear margin
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What do you want him to say? "We usually sucked so don't get hyped. Let's first get to 5 wins in a season". He's a player, and that's the mentality he's got to have.
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My main takeaway from this is Bo is going to get his derriere blown out.
Tailgate 2021
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My main takeaway from this is Bo is going to get his derriere blown out.
Tailgate 2021
Should be a fun weekend. Just remember spit is not an effective lubricant.
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Should be a fun weekend. Just remember spit is not an effective lubricant.
Banana pudding
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I'll probably blow out my derriere in the portajohn.
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DJ Bien-Aime
@Djbienaime
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CJ Mosley said he found out about Shaq Lawson trade by scrolling on Instagram and came across the Conor McGovern and Lawson viral video and saw that they were now teammates
Pork n' Beaner with the insider info.
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Link (https://twitter.com/thadbrown7/status/1198752566194118657), I'd never seen it.
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Link (https://twitter.com/thadbrown7/status/1198752566194118657), I'd never seen it.
that should be a fun convo in the locker room this week.
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CJ Mosley not the Mike
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1435644231796891654?s=20
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That jives with the idea they wanted Davis at Mike. Wonder how good Mosely is going to be in this role
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That jives with the idea they wanted Davis at Mike. Wonder how good Mosely is going to be in this role
He'll be great for about 1 half.
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CJ Mosley not the Mike
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1435644231796891654?s=20
I missed this
Interesting
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https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1439971818517979136
It's not going to really be possible for him to live up to his contract, but he's been very good, and he's a reason why our defense has overachieved.
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10 tackles, 1 sack today.
Mosley is a stud in this defense. Glad we kept him.
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10 tackles, 1 sack today.
Mosley is a stud in this defense. Glad we kept him.
And he was getting everyone lined up
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And he was getting everyone lined up
Even the secondary!
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I take it all back.
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Vegan magic
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I take it all back.
watching one jets drive i remember watching the clip of his father showing his basement workout setup and telling the fans that he is hungry to show them what he can do and what we've missed, and that he was going to be amazing. his dad was literally decked out in jets gear from head to toe lmao, shoes and all. it was very endearing and i watched it thinking 'i hope it rings true because mosely's pissed me off the past two years and i don't want to think back at this clip knowing it was all BS'.
he's been awesome this year
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watching one jets drive i remember watching the clip of his father showing his basement workout setup and telling the fans that he is hungry to show them what he can do and what we've missed, and that he was going to be amazing. his dad was literally decked out in jets gear from head to toe lmao, shoes and all. it was very endearing and i watched it thinking 'i hope it rings true because mosely's pissed me off the past two years and i don't want to think back at this clip knowing it was all BS'.
he's been awesome this year
Haha yep. That was one of the more hype clips from One Jets Drive this year.
I would love to get some truth serum on why he chose to sit out last year. Pandemic? Gase? Bad roster? Contract? Would love to hear his reasoning.
I can't really blame him for what happened the last two years. An injury is an injury, and last year, he opted not to play, which was a major punch to the gut last year, but again, I can't really blame him.
He's doing all he can this year to live up to that contract.
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Haha yep. That was one of the more hype clips from One Jets Drive this year.
I would love to get some truth serum on why he chose to sit out last year. Pandemic? Gase? Bad roster? Contract? Would love to hear his reasoning.
I can't really blame him for what happened the last two years. An injury is an injury, and last year, he opted not to play, which was a major punch to the gut last year, but again, I can't really blame him.
He's doing all he can this year to live up to that contract.
I'm sure a mix of all 3 are a easy decision to just keep rehabbing and not sacrifice your body for Adam Gase lol
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Dennis Waszak Jr.
@DWAZ73
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1m
Robert Saleh says at one point yesterday, C.J. Mosley checked out of a call on defense - usually a no-no for #Jets. But it resulted in a sack.
"He made an executive decision - I'm glad he did."
Saleh praises Mosley: "He's like a cheat code. ... His mind is a little different."
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Dennis Waszak Jr.
@DWAZ73
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1m
Robert Saleh says at one point yesterday, C.J. Mosley checked out of a call on defense - usually a no-no for #Jets. But it resulted in a sack.
"He made an executive decision - I'm glad he did."
Saleh praises Mosley: "He's like a cheat code. ... His mind is a little different."
I'd love to know which play that was.
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I'd love to know which play that was.
Well we “only” had 7 sacks. So I would imagine he is running around making a call on one of them. I bet we can figure it out
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I'd love to know which play that was.
Pretty sure it was one of Quinnen's sacks
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I'd love to know which play that was.
ask and you shall receive.
https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1445177901217878018?s=20
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ask and you shall receive.
https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1445177901217878018?s=20
A great read and adjustment yes, but what amazes me the most there is actualy Adam Archuleta calling the same thing from the booth
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https://youtu.be/XAcJrmvfycI (https://youtu.be/XAcJrmvfycI)
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https://youtu.be/XAcJrmvfycI (https://youtu.be/XAcJrmvfycI)
PFF: -30.7 grade, ranked 97th out of 52 qualified linebackers
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This lover of the older lady isnt even eating meat and putting down the baddest offensive player in the NFL with ease
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https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1469031638910877698?s=21
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Will Parkinson
@Willpa11
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1h
While CJ Mosley has been up and down at times in run game due to I think fatigue/new weight as the guy asked to do everything in this defense he’s put together a pretty impressive stat line for missing basically last 2 years
142 Tackles, 2 Sacks, 2 FF, 2 PD, 2 TFLs, 2 QB Hits
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Baldinger goes vegan
https://twitter.com/NYJetsTFMedia/status/1597443018788786176?s=20&t=x8vLlplBn8WDH2WhEFwljg
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I’m basically illiterate.
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INT?
Post is from last year.
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Post is from last year.
Yeah I’m a dumb.
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https://twitter.com/NYJets_Media/status/1621889242430410754?t=4bP2i4FNoAVFcGXUhzYHCw&s=19
Extend his contract plz.
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can we get a mufugga to restructure?
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can we get a mufugga to restructure?
That'd make me so happy.
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#46 on the NFL's Top 100 list: https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1686066086607740928
I for one have always loved the Top 100 list and find no flaws in it.
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#46 on the NFL's Top 100 list: https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1686066086607740928
I for one have always loved the Top 100 list and find no flaws in it.
I love Micheal Clemons
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Mosley specifically mentioned Jamien Sherwood as a player that will take a leap in 2023. I hope he's right.
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I love Micheal Clemons
Mosley should convert him to veganism
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Sherwood had a torn Achilles in 2021. That injury can be a career-ender, but he played all last season. Hopefully with another year removed, he'll be better.
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Field Yates
@FieldYates
The Jets and LB C.J. Mosley have agreed to a two-year, $17.25M deal with $13.25M guaranteed, replacing the final year of his old deal that had no leftover guarantees. The deal includes $9M fully guaranteed in 2024.
Mosley has led the Jets in tackles each of the past 3 seasons and was named a second team All Pro in 2022.
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Well that'll really drop his cap number this season.
Hopefully that cancels out both of his void years.
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Well that'll really drop his cap number this season.
mmmmm cap space
so yummy
honk honk
gimme moaarrr
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Sounds like a great deal for both sides. Locks him in for the end of his best years he gets more guaranteed money and gives us a lot more flexibility.
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Sounds like a great deal for both sides. Locks him in for the end of his best years he gets more guaranteed money and gives us a lot more flexibility.
Honestly, I think it's a better deal for the Jets. He's still really good and I think he has some more years left in him.
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He's probably the most important guy on our defense when you consider the whole package (leadership, effort, performance). Love this. He and Lil Q are a great duo.
Now let's see what they spend the cap space on. Would've been nice if they did this a week ago and threw some money at Huff.
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https://x.com/richcimini/status/1785771910158025083?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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https://x.com/richcimini/status/1785771910158025083?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
He gave money back because Mike Maccagnan's stupid derriere bid against himself and gave him an offer he couldn't refuse.