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Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on April 29, 2021, 09:29:18 PM
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Gord.
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Gord.
freak it. Trade up for Jenkins.
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freak it. Trade up for Jenkins.
THIS
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freak it. Trade up for Jenkins.
Do it
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Wilson’s line was too good at BYU 😢
BUILD A LITERAL freaking WALL
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Should have some options on the edge at 34. My guess is edge or trade down.
Douglas moving up from 23 tells me that he thinks AVT is at another level from the rest of the remaining OL class.
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Should have some options on the edge at 34. My guess is edge or trade down.
Douglas moving up from 23 tells me that he thinks AVT is at another level from the rest of the remaining OL class.
Slater might have been the tipping point, once he was gone we didn't want to miss out because of a run on OL
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If douglas goes OL at 34, that excrement would be bananas
I expect 34 will be a trade back to try and get back in the 3rd, even if it's for a comp pick.
My guess is we look hard at corners and playmakers when we finally do pick in the 2nd.
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GORD was my friend.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210430/ac9dbf07fcb7836775bef6ee9df30972.gif)
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Idk why but this got me.
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OK, for real though? We need to take Teven Jenkins.
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Jenkins
Humphrey
Ojulari
Samuel
Moore
Davis
JOKer
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OK, for real though? We need to take Teven Jenkins.
I would have been plenty happy with him at 23. To see him potentially staring at us at 34 is going to be tempting. I think we still need to trade back and get back some of the capital we lost to go secure AVT. I also think the Jags probably just take him at 33, they need a tackle anyways. But if he's there and we pull the trigger, I'm not sure how any Jets fan could be truly upset to see it happen.
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Becton - AVT - McGovern - Jenkins - Fant
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Becton - AVT - McGovern - Jenkins - Fant
The wall would be built.
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Jal went QB > RB. OL would be a logical follow up pick, but there’s plenty available:
Jenkins
Eichenberg
Radunz
Humphrey
Cosmi
Mayfield
Dickerson
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JOK, an OL, and a trade down are all great options for us.
If someone slips, we still have 2022 draft capital we can move. If those picks are extra highly valued this year, maybe we can move our 2nd-rounder next year to jump back into get someone if they fall far enough.
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Jal went QB > RB. OL would be a logical follow up pick, but there’s plenty available:
Jenkins
Eichenberg
Radunz
Humphrey
Cosmi
Mayfield
Dickerson
Jags fans seem to be thinking Meohrig or JOK at 33
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I also wonder if Javonte Williams is in play. He had been getting a lot of steam recently, and the Jets had been linked to Etienne. I hope he's not the pick with JOK and some quality OL available, plus the likelihood someone would be willing to move up.
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Jenkins
Dickerson
Moore
Moore
Marshall
JOK
Give me one of them pls
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I think we'll trade down a few spots to recoup some extra capital (most likely a 3rd rounder). We're in an enviable position tomorrow night.
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I think we'll trade down a few spots to recoup some extra capital (most likely a 3rd rounder). We're in an enviable position tomorrow night.
If the Jets have a handful of guys similarly ranked on their board then a trade down would certainly make sense. We'll see.
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wishlist (in random order)
Humphrey
Jenkins
Moore (Rondale or Elijah)
JOK
Samuel Jr.
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If the Jets have a handful of guys similarly ranked on their board then a trade down would certainly make sense. We'll see.
let's get'er done
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Just had this thought... this Defensive tackle class is AWFUL there’s only 2 guys, if someone wants Barmore that could be their trade up target
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Just had this thought... this Defensive tackle class is AWFUL there’s only 2 guys, if someone wants Barmore that could be their trade up target
Or we could take him
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Is there no love for Ojulari?
We can kill all the QBs
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Is there no love for Ojulari?
We can kill all the QBs
His knee is bunk
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Or we could take him
You stop that.
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https://twitter.com/TampaBayTre/status/1387986474776281088?s=19
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https://www.nfl.com/news/best-remaining-prospects-available-in-the-2021-nfl-draft
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Hopefully we can trade down and get back a 3rd. Maybe move down to mid 2nd with the Raiders to get one of their 3rds, give em back that low 4th.
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Is there no love for Ojulari?
We can kill all the QBs
Something's gotta be up with his knee if New Orleans and Buffalo took other pass rushers over him
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Something's gotta be up with his knee if New Orleans and Buffalo took other pass rushers over him
New Orleans is weird and Rousseau and Ojulari aren't that far apart.
If he falls enough he eventually can't be passed up.
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Great day to draft a starting RG.
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JOK would be a nice pick at 34. We haven't had a LB that could cover TEs in a long time.
I'm all for still investing in the oline....but i wouldn't be mad about this either.
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JOK would be a nice pick at 34. We haven't had a LB that could cover TEs in a long time.
I'm all for still investing in the oline....but i wouldn't be mad about this either.
Looking at our depth chart, LB would be nice but CB is just such a dearth of talent. I wouldn't be mad with either JOK or Samuel though.
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Looking at our depth chart, LB would be nice but CB is just such a dearth of talent. I wouldn't be mad with either JOK or Samuel though.
Usually in the past, i'd be freaking out over this. But having a competent GM has erased all that anxiety.
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Please no DL, Safety, PK
I'm fine with any other position
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Usually in the past, i'd be freaking out over this. But having a competent GM has erased all that anxiety.
Between Becton, Mims, Wilson, and AVT, Douglas has done an uncanny job of getting "our guys."
Hopefully that continues today and we don't get a head scratcher.
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Looking at our depth chart, LB would be nice but CB is just such a dearth of talent. I wouldn't be mad with either JOK or Samuel though.
I'd be fine if we sit still for Jenkins. I'd be happy to get either JOK Samuel on a trade back. If we can somehow trade back and still get Jenkins I might shoot a whole through my pants. I'll probably be upset if we sit at 34 to take Samuel or JOK.
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I'd be fine if we sit still for Jenkins. I'd be happy to get either JOK Samuel on a trade back. If we can somehow trade back and still get Jenkins I might shoot a whole through my pants. I'll probably be upset if we sit at 34 to take Samuel or JOK.
Sure. But there's so much flexibility between the talent available and our needs it would be hard for me to not like whatever we do.
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I'd be fine if we sit still for Jenkins. I'd be happy to get either JOK Samuel on a trade back. If we can somehow trade back and still get Jenkins I might shoot a whole through my pants. I'll probably be upset if we sit at 34 to take Samuel or JOK.
JOK has a mid first round grade....getting him at 34 is nice piece of business of the "steal" variety.
EDIT: I actually think the jags will take him at 33.
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JOK has a mid first round grade....getting him at 34 is nice piece of business of the "steal" variety.
EDIT: I actually think the jags will take him at 33.
He's fallen for a reason so that mid first grade might not include all of the real info. He'll come off the board eventually but I think I've been clear about what my opinions of leaving offensive contributors on the board in favor of defense early on are.
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He's fallen for a reason so that mid first grade might not include all of the real info. He'll come off the board eventually but I think I've been clear about what my opinions of leaving offensive contributors on the board in favor of defense early on are.
Yeah but....you also thought AVT didn't play Tackle.
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Gord or trade down for Gord
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Between Becton, Mims, Wilson, and AVT, Douglas has done an uncanny job of getting "our guys."
Hopefully that continues today and we don't get a head scratcher.
fingers crossed he's learned from the James Morgan pick
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Yeah but....you also thought AVT didn't play Tackle.
Meh
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fingers crossed he's learned from the James Morgan pick
I'm not going to lose sleep over 4th rounders.
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fingers crossed he's learned from the James Morgan pick
Lol
He just landed our franchise QB, and traded up for the best Gord in the draft.
"but hey guys...James Morgan. Let's hope he learned to draft"
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I assume he learned that taking players to develop in the later rounds is a solid strategy to build depth since not every player taken in the draft is going to be NFL ready.
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just using the draft value chart as a scaffold, the jets would likely have to trade down into the late 40s/early 50s in order to be able to recoup a 3rd round pick
this of course isnt taking into account real life factors such as the player(s) available at our pick, how badly the team trading up wants said players, and how desperate they are
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just using the draft value chart as a scaffold, the jets would likely have to trade down into the late 40s/early 50s in order to be able to recoup a 3rd round pick
this of course isnt taking into account real life factors such as the player(s) available at our pick, how badly the team trading up wants said players, and how desperate they are
need a bidding war....someone will overpay.
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Trading back is nice, but getting 3 players in a draft that have top 20 talent can make a massive difference for a team that lacks top end talent.
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Trading back is nice, but getting 3 players in a draft that have top 20 talent can make a massive difference for a team that lacks top end talent.
What if we could get 3 players in a draft that have top 20 talent, while still acquiring a 3rd round pick?
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/72802849/is-that-something-you-might-be-interested-in.jpg)
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What if we could get 3 players in a draft that have top 20 talent, while still acquiring a 3rd round pick?
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/72802849/is-that-something-you-might-be-interested-in.jpg)
Eh, JOK might be the only guy out there with top-20 talent. Jenkins, Moore and Ojulari are close.
Really, as long as we don't take Javonte Williams or a cornerback at 34, I'm happy with pretty much every option.
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Eh, JOK might be the only guy out there with top-20 talent. Jenkins, Moore and Ojulari are close.
Really, as long as we don't take Javonte Williams or a cornerback at 34, I'm happy with pretty much every option.
that knee issue that came out of Ojulari's workout is concerning. I wasn't high on him anyway. If he drops to the 3rd round, we're in business. Same goes for Dickerson...his injury history is a little too long for my liking. But if he's there in the 3rd (and we have a pick), do it.
Jenkins or JOK are steals in the 2nd round, imo.
I like Asante Samuel Jr too.
We have plenty of options that will benefit this team at 34. I'm not worried.
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If looking to trade down, according to betonline these could be the targets
Jaime Eisner
@JaimeEisner
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13m
Round 2 Over/Unders from
@betonline_ag
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Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah (33.5)
Trevon Moehrig (35.5)
Asante Samuel Jr (35.5)
Elijah Moore (36.5)
Christian Barmore (40.5)
Javonte Williams (49.5)
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We need JD to get on the horn with his old buddy Howie Roseman for a trade back to 37.
To the Eagles:
-34
-143
-2022 6th rounder
To the Jets
-37
-70
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I don't think we'll get another OL today. Betting Edge or LB.
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I don't think we'll get another OL today. Betting Edge or LB.
I agree. Joe is good with asset management. I don't think he'll want to put himself in a situation where he has 3 1st round picks that will basically need to be paid at the same time. Thats not a good strategy for retaining home grown talent.
He could say freak it, short-term success of Wilson is more important than anything else, but I think a trade down is in our future unless he thinks one of these edges or Samuel are good value.
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I agree. Joe is good with asset management. I don't think he'll want to put himself in a situation where he has 3 1st round picks that will basically need to be paid at the same time. Thats not a good strategy for retaining home grown talent.
He could say freak it, short-term success of Wilson is more important than anything else, but I think a trade down is in our future unless he thinks one of these edges or Samuel are good value.
We are turds at LB and CB.
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With so many good players available, I'm very comfortable trading back. Almost seems foolish not to unless we're absolutely head over heals for somebody (Jenkins).
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If we love Jenkins - keep building the wall. Otherwise address EDGE, LB, and CB
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There was talk before the draft that the Jets really liked Jenkins. We'll see if that's true or not
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Going defense is for beta cuck teams like the Jaguars. Moar Gords for us
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I'd say this, last year when we got up at 48 and Mims was there Douglas opted to trade down because he felt even if he lost Mims, he would still get a quality WR prospect. Turns out the other guys we liked went earlier, and we still got Mims. I expect he will feel the same way about Jenkins. He will be plenty happy to have him, but he has see the # of players we could use and slide back a ways, perhaps 40-42 or so. If Jenkins slides, awesome. If not, then we still have Humphrey, Davis, Green as just OL prospects that could really help finish the line.
I really expect him to trade back from 34, even if it's not for a 3rd directly. I think if we have 4 4th's again, he will package some to get up into the 3rd for a slider like Jabril Cox
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Pick Jenkins at 34, use the rest of this draft to grab BPA at corner, receiver, and RB, then go into next year's draft ready to do whatever it takes to get EDGE and C.
Everyone is still in a "working rebuild" mindset. Right now, we have a rookie QB and HC. This is year 1 of a 3-year rebuild. If Douglas does it right, year 3 could be a serious playoff run.
But you've got to keep Wilson's jersey clean on Sundays. Right now, that's the only priority. Draft Jenkins tonight.
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Chris Simms
@CSimmsQB
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49s
Teven Jenkins is my #6 OL. He's got size, power, brute strength, and the attitude to match. Biggest question is if his shorter arms will push him from tackle to guard.
I'm ok with this, Simms.
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https://twitter.com/pff_brad/status/1388202663272226827?s=21
Please be real please be real
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https://twitter.com/lancezierlein/status/1388165927120867337?s=21
Re: Teven Jenkins has a medical red flag and that’s why he dropped out of R1
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https://twitter.com/lancezierlein/status/1388165927120867337?s=21
Re: Teven Jenkins has a medical red flag and that’s why he dropped out of R1
So what I’m hearing is he and Ojulari will be on the board a bit later due to medical issues? Then I vote we trade down
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So what I’m hearing is he and Ojulari will be on the board a bit later due to medical issues? Then I vote we trade down
I'm with you....although JOK is enticing at 34.
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So what I’m hearing is he and Ojulari will be on the board a bit later due to medical issues? Then I vote we trade down
I mean all you can really assume is that Jenkins fell out of the first because of medicals. Just because he fell out of the first, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll continue to fall through the 2nd.
Assuming its not a career threatening injury, I think he's still worth 34.
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I mean all you can really assume is that Jenkins fell out of the first because of medicals. Just because he fell out of the first, it doesn't necessarily mean he'll continue to fall through the 2nd.
Assuming its not a career threatening injury, I think he's still worth 34.
it's a hip injury....that could be dicey.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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With the #Jaguars soon to be on the clock at 33, it’s likely they make that pick. And the #Jets are receiving significant interest in a potential trade at 34, I’m told. We could see some early action as teams scramble up for players they thought would be first-rounders.
LFG!!
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https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1388236745360162816
Matt Miller reporting the same.
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it's a hip injury....that could be dicey.
As long as its not necrosis of femur/blood supply issue to the joint, I don't really see any hip injury being that big of an issue that it's career threatening. I would assume if it was a torn labrum, he would have had surgery already.
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https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1388236745360162816
Matt Miller reporting the same.
it's the correct move.
#FleeceModeEngaged
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As long as its not necrosis of femur/blood supply issue to the joint, I don't really see any hip injury being that big of an issue that it's career threatening. I would assume if it was a torn labrum, he would have had surgery already.
I like the player...but he dropped for a reason. Maybe it's serious.
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Chris Simms
@CSimmsQB
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36s
Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah was maybe my favorite watch in the entire draft. Speed, explosiveness, fearless in throwing his body around. 2 years ago at Notre Dame practice I could see he was their best cover man at any position. Could be Darius Leonard at LB or Derwin James at safety
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Douglas is gonna trade 34 for a 1st next year and go home early tonight.
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If we can drop down less than 10 spots and pick up a 3rd that’s a win. I’d rather not end up in the latter half of the 2nd though.
I think offense is still the target
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If we can drop down less than 10 spots and pick up a 3rd that’s a win. I’d rather not end up in the latter half of the 2nd though.
I think offense is still the target
too much of a drop would stink.
I posted earlier that dropping 3-6 spots is a nice sweet spot for a trade back.
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JOK is a Virginia boy. Doug likes him some Virginia boys.
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too much of a drop would stink.
I posted earlier that dropping 3-6 spots is a nice sweet spot for a trade back.
I don't think you get much of anything for a 3-6 spot drop, maybe a 4th. If we are trading back, go back enough to get a 3rd rounder. Trading back 10-15 spots should do it
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I don't think you get much of anything for a 3-6 spot drop, maybe a 4th. If we are trading back, go back enough to get a 3rd rounder. Trading back 10-15 spots should do it
1) other picks could be involved
2) the market will dictate the price. Need a bidding war.
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1) other picks could be involved
2) the market will dictate the price. Need a bidding war.
If we get a bidding war, we can get a 3rd. Ovegas has a pair of 3rds as do the Browns and Cowboys. Cowboys have to be looking at one of these DBs, and I mentioned it yesterday, Barmore and Onwuzurike are basically the only two DTs in this class, somebody needs one of those guys and I could totally see them as the target of a trade up.
Lots of OL on the board. I think we see a Mims like trade down from last year. Jenkins is a great piece but we have 5-6 OL who would be great pieces (Jenkins, Humphrey, Davis, Green are my favorites) and we can accept going back 10-15 picks reasonably feeling one of them will be there and grab some bonus players too. If his injury pushes Jenkins into mid 2nd then all the better for us. But if not we still have a stable of guys who can play for us and build the wall.
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Dallas and Panthers rumored calling for 34.
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Dallas and Panthers rumored calling for 34.
Atlanta too, per RapSheet
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Atlanta too, per RapSheet
I'm guessing they were probably only offered a 4th or 5th round pick and it seemed like they valued Moore as a top 25 player. From JD's and Saleh's reaction over the phone, it sounded like Moore was strongly in play if they stayed at 23.
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I'm guessing they were probably only offered a 4th or 5th round pick and it seemed like they valued Moore as a top 25 player. From JD's and Saleh's reaction over the phone, it sounded like Moore was strongly in play if they stayed at 23.
Sure sounds like it. If the guy ends up as our Steve Smith or Santana Moss nothing we could have gotten in a trade back would be worth it.
Heck even the AVT trade is already settled (well we actually add to it tomorrow)
Jets:
AVT
Vikings:
Christian Darrisaw
Kellen Mond
Wyatt Davis
I'd take AVT over the haul the Vikings got without a question. I know we would have used our picks differently, but still I'm pretty happy with what we have accomplished so far.
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Sure sounds like it. If the guy ends up as our Steve Smith or Santana Moss nothing we could have gotten in a trade back would be worth it.
Heck even the AVT trade is already settled (well we actually add to it tomorrow)
Jets:
AVT
Vikings:
Christian Darrisaw
Kellen Mond
Wyatt Davis
I'd take AVT over the haul the Vikings got without a question. I know we would have used our picks differently, but still I'm pretty happy with what we have accomplished so far.
That seems a bit rose tinted no?
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That seems a bit rose tinted no?
If we assume AVT is off the board at 23, I don’t think so.
AVT is leaps and bounds better as a prospect than Davis, a guy I thought we’d tag at 23 is Teven Jenkins and obviously between injury and something else he fell much further than we though, indicating he wasn’t the prospect we thought. Darrisaw wasn’t exactly a fit for what we needed here. AVT was the perfect piece for our biggest need. So replacing him effectively while holding our other picks would have been hard.
Sure it all depends on how they play, if AVT becomes an all pro, we win the trade. If Davis becomes the all pro for the Vikings and AVT is just an average OG then we lose, simple as that. But I like our chances to come out “winners” in this trade a couple years from now
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Sure sounds like it. If the guy ends up as our Steve Smith or Santana Moss nothing we could have gotten in a trade back would be worth it.
Heck even the AVT trade is already settled (well we actually add to it tomorrow)
Jets:
AVT
Vikings:
Christian Darrisaw
Kellen Mond
Wyatt Davis
I'd take AVT over the haul the Vikings got without a question. I know we would have used our picks differently, but still I'm pretty happy with what we have accomplished so far.
To be fair, Vikings did pretty well out of it.
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To be fair, Vikings did pretty well out of it.
They did, but I think we did quite alright as well. At the end of the day I’m very happy with our 3 additions, and as much as waiting that long to pick again wasnt much fun, i think we are better this way than if we hadn’t made the trade for AVT
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Trading up is usually a bad idea in general unless it's for a quarterback. But AVT was clearly the BPA at his position, he filled a need, his value matched the board, and we have a lot of extra picks, so it makes sense.
The thing with the trade-up is that AVT needs to be the real deal. Trading up puts more pressure on Douglas to be right. If AVT busts, not having the extra picks really hurts.