Post by: Badger on March 29, 2023, 10:33:05 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 30, 2023, 06:49:02 AM
Tomorrow is Volpening Day
Today is #Volpening Day!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 30, 2023, 07:41:11 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2023, 08:39:10 AM
Post by: IATA on March 30, 2023, 09:34:17 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 30, 2023, 09:59:33 AM
Judge CF
Rizzo 1B
Stanton RF
Donaldson 3B
Torres DH
Cabrera LF
Trevino C
Volpe SS
Cole P
No Hicks, Gleyber DH, Donaldson better not suck backing up Stanton.
#VolpeningDay
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 30, 2023, 10:01:39 AM
Lmao
https://twitter.com/nyyrecapsderek/status/1641448177785249798?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 30, 2023, 11:30:08 AM
https://twitter.com/maxtgoodman/status/1641448051977113602?s=42&t=0V--FPsn-y6xnxcUY_iF1g (https://twitter.com/maxtgoodman/status/1641448051977113602?s=42&t=0V--FPsn-y6xnxcUY_iF1g)
Lmao
https://twitter.com/nyyrecapsderek/status/1641448177785249798?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg (https://twitter.com/nyyrecapsderek/status/1641448177785249798?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg)
No IKF or Peraza in today's lineup. Hmmm
Edit: Didn't realize Peraza got demoted. Still doesn't rule out a trade, but not as intriguing. Gleyber in the lineup probably means he's not part of a package (or it's not really all that close to a deal).
Post by: IATA on March 30, 2023, 12:17:56 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 30, 2023, 12:24:14 PM
ALL RISE!
Post by: Heismanberg on March 30, 2023, 12:25:05 PM
How are there so many empty seats damn
ALL RISE
(am I doing this right, Yankee bros?
Post by: delavan on March 30, 2023, 12:35:09 PM
Caught the Sterling radio call driving home (fyi it's his 35th year doing NYY games)
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2023, 02:03:31 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 30, 2023, 03:16:40 PM
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2023, 04:19:08 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 30, 2023, 05:23:11 PM
Talkin Yanks: Today's Yankees game was 2 hours and 33 minutes. There were only six Yankees games shorter than that throughout the entire 2022 regular season
The pacing feels so much better. I like these new rules. I'm still questioning the limited pickoff rule, but it probably makes catcher an even more important position with additional defensive pressure. Catcher pickoffs will be fun.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 30, 2023, 08:58:26 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 31, 2023, 08:47:20 AM
Given the existence of the clock, they should absolutely get rid of the three batter rule and bring back specialized pens. Stop legislating strategy out of the game.
Post by: Badger on April 01, 2023, 04:13:44 PM
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2023, 03:28:48 PM
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2023, 06:37:43 PM
Best combined home-run season: 1961. Total of 115: 61 for Maris, 54 for Mantle
Other statistical goodness:
https://twitter.com/ktsharp/status/1642620107602948101?s=20
Post by: delavan on April 02, 2023, 08:53:58 PM
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2023, 10:19:19 PM
Giancarlo's bomb land yet?...It just killed a sheep in Nova Scotia.
Post by: delavan on April 03, 2023, 01:20:25 PM
It just killed a sheep in Nova Scotia.Damn, ewe never know with Giancarlo…
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 04, 2023, 10:43:14 AM
Post by: Badger on April 04, 2023, 11:24:21 AM
PSA: Tonight's game is on Amazon PrimeI've got 3 games starting within half an hour of each other tonight. My wife is going to kill me with the amount of channel flipping I'll do.
Post by: delavan on April 04, 2023, 03:28:21 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 05, 2023, 02:31:19 PM
If it nets Ohtani, okay. But otherwise, just no.
Post by: delavan on April 05, 2023, 03:23:31 PM
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2023, 04:54:21 PM
https://twitter.com/TalkinYanks/status/1644417467152834584?s=20
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 07, 2023, 05:57:45 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 08, 2023, 09:49:31 PM
Still can't believe we actually entered the season with this offensive roster.
Huh? Are you saying it's a problem?
I guess if you count that Donaldson was the starting 3B, but otherwise, I don't think it's a bad lineup at all. For the first time in decades there is significant balance of power, OBP, and speed.
They may have a stinker once a week, but overall, this team is going to score a lot. Especially with all the new rules. The biggest concern is on the mound, and hopefully we'll have that settled from August on.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 09, 2023, 01:39:58 AM
Huh? Are you saying it's a problem?Donaldson and the outfield. Figured there would be another move coming in the outfield. Kind of shocked they went into the season like this, especially after the Bader injury. Donaldson had negative trade value and is at least useful defensively, so I understand why they kept him at third. I figured they would do something in outfield besides Franchy Cordero.
I guess if you count that Donaldson was the starting 3B, but otherwise, I don't think it's a bad lineup at all. For the first time in decades there is significant balance of power, OBP, and speed.
They may have a stinker once a week, but overall, this team is going to score a lot. Especially with all the new rules. The biggest concern is on the mound, and hopefully we'll have that settled from August on.
Post by: delavan on April 09, 2023, 11:31:16 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 10, 2023, 08:53:43 AM
Donaldson and the outfield. Figured there would be another move coming in the outfield. Kind of shocked they went into the season like this, especially after the Bader injury. Donaldson had negative trade value and is at least useful defensively, so I understand why they kept him at third. I figured they would do something in outfield besides Franchy Cordero.
Franchy was a good move. It was surprising he got let go, so it was a no downside acquisition. As for the rest of the outfield, they want Stanton to play out there a couple of times a week. Judge is the starting CF until Bader is healthy. Cabrera has earned his spot to play every day and brings some small ball elements to this team, which we've needed for ages.
You can make an argument that Hicks is still consuming a 40-man spot, but until he turns a corner and shows he can still play, he's near impossible to be rid of.
I'm glad they didn't make any other moves with OF. Bader will be back fairly soon and then there's a logjam for playing time. Again, Donaldson is my only downside, but that issue resolved itself. Pitching is still the real concern.
Post by: MBGreen on April 10, 2023, 10:15:18 AM
Post by: Badger on April 10, 2023, 05:08:41 PM
I'm glad you guys didn't end up trading for Varsho...hes been pretty good for us so far.The only hypothetical trade I'm annoyed didn't happen for us is Bryan Reynolds.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 11, 2023, 07:49:43 AM
The only hypothetical trade I'm annoyed didn't happen for us is Bryan Reynolds.
I was too, but then I saw he doesn't want to play for a big media team. I'd much prefer a guy realize beforehand he can't handle NY than be the next Joey Gallo/Kenny Rogers/Randy Johnson/etc.
Besides, we have Franchy Cordero now. Problem solved.
Post by: Badger on April 11, 2023, 09:23:16 AM
6-0, 32.2 IP, 1.38 ERA, 10 BB, 35 K
Schmidt & German:
0-1, 14.1 IP, 7.53 ERA, 9 BB, 16 K
Need Rodon and Sevy back for the fully operational death star
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 11, 2023, 11:29:55 AM
The only hypothetical trade I'm annoyed didn't happen for us is Bryan Reynolds.
The proposed package for him was ridiculous. I forget if it was confirmed but I thought it was Peraza/Volpe plus Jasson plus other top prospects.
He is on fire though
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 11, 2023, 11:31:10 AM
Cole, Cortes & Brito:
6-0, 32.2 IP, 1.38 ERA, 10 BB, 35 K
Schmidt & German:
0-1, 14.1 IP, 7.53 ERA, 9 BB, 16 K
Need Rodon and Sevy back for the fully operational death star
Didn’t have high expectations for Schmidt/German but they’ve been very disappointing. Both pitching well below their potential. One of them should be able to figure it out
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 11, 2023, 11:37:24 AM
The proposed package for him was ridiculous. I forget if it was confirmed but I thought it was Peraza/Volpe plus Jasson plus other top prospects.Yeah, that was the issue with Reynolds trade.
He is on fire though
That said, if you told the Yanks he would hit like this, maybe we would have done it...
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 11, 2023, 02:02:25 PM
Didn’t have high expectations for Schmidt/German but they’ve been very disappointing. Both pitching well below their potential. One of them should be able to figure it out
I feel like German will do fine as a middle reliever. If he can just come in every couple of days and throw as hard as he can for 20 pitches, I think he'll thrive.
I guess the same is sort of true for Schmidt. He looks good for a couple of innings, then falls off a cliff. I think Scmidt's the better pitcher and will get more high-leverage spots, but I think both have a future in the 5th through 7th.
Now if only we could have a healthy Lasagna or Kahnle to bridge to Holmes. Thank goodness for Wandy.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 11, 2023, 02:03:08 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 11, 2023, 02:34:18 PM
I've wanted to buy into Clarke, but the same issues he used to have are still plaguing him. He's not good the 2nd time through an order. Starting to think he's a long-term reliever.
At least Brito has been really good in a very small sample.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 11, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
Post by: Badger on April 11, 2023, 09:25:26 PM
Maybe Franchy is just the next Matt Carpenter.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230412/161c66c708caa5a6c05140bb49b5ac87.jpg)
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 12, 2023, 12:01:55 PM
I think German is a 4th or 5th starter. I'm not that worried about him, but my expectations aren't really high.
I've wanted to buy into Clarke, but the same issues he used to have are still plaguing him. He's not good the 2nd time through an order. Starting to think he's a long-term reliever.
At least Brito has been really good in a very small sample.
I admittedly don't want German on this team, so it may cloud my opinion a bit, but I don't see how he's a realistic starter. He's best when he can just sling it 20 times. The more he throws, the less he commands.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 12, 2023, 12:05:11 PM
I won't ask if anyone is as bad healthwise because I already know LAD is worse, but FFS this team can't stay healthy. Why is it so bad year in and year out?
Post by: Badger on April 12, 2023, 12:31:31 PM
I admittedly don't want German on this team, so it may cloud my opinion a bit, but I don't see how he's a realistic starter.
German not being any good makes it even easier to imagine moving on from him.
No mental gymnastics needed.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 12, 2023, 01:28:35 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 12, 2023, 01:30:46 PM
German not being any good makes it even easier to imagine moving on from him.
No mental gymnastics needed.
This is fair. Too bad were paying $2.6MM for him. At least Schmidt's only making 740k.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 12, 2023, 02:07:36 PM
Post by: Badger on April 12, 2023, 02:12:44 PM
Franchy is fun to watch. I feel like he's more than this year's Carpenter.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230412/3494b5de988e9f7ee8489e00aa975094.jpg)
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 12, 2023, 02:55:59 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230412/3494b5de988e9f7ee8489e00aa975094.jpg)
I hope you never run out of material, and I hope he keeps forcing you to find more.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 12, 2023, 02:58:38 PM
Tier 1
Boston
Toronto
Tampa
Houston
Tier 2
Cleveland
LAA
Seattle
Post by: Badger on April 12, 2023, 03:25:16 PM
I hope you never run out of material, and I hope he keeps forcing you to find more.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230412/16b157f93ec03170cc7d7f89707a6e1d.jpg)
Post by: Badger on April 12, 2023, 03:26:12 PM
Cleveland is in the second tier of teams I love to beat.Why the Angels? Residual 2002 contempt?
Tier 1
Boston
Toronto
Tampa
Houston
Tier 2
Cleveland
LAA
Seattle
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 13, 2023, 01:58:26 AM
Franchy is fun to watch. I feel like he's more than this year's Carpenter.Last year's Carpenter was small sample size Barry Bonds. Granted, so is Franchy through 7 games.
Franchy is a little better in the field than Carpenter, who was mostly a zero in the field. He was also a .689 OPS guy through over 700 PA entering this season and was just cut by the Orioles. His exit velo is elite, so I see the upside, but even including 0.5 WAR this year, he has -0.1 WAR in his career. I'd love to see him be the next random scrap heap dude we turn into a relevant player. I just need more than 7 games.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 13, 2023, 08:03:03 AM
Why the Angels? Residual 2002 contempt?
Basically. I grew to despise them during the Scoscia years because they always seemed to play better than they actually were. He was long a wish list manager for me here.
I don't like Cleveland from the Colon/Sabathia days, and Seattle from the Griffey Jr. days.
Honestly, I still despise Detroit because they gave me fits as a kid, though they've been so bad for so long I don't think about them much anymore.
If it wasn't apparent, I hold grudges. Lol
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 13, 2023, 08:07:03 AM
Last year's Carpenter was small sample size Barry Bonds. Granted, so is Franchy through 7 games.
Franchy is a little better in the field than Carpenter, who was mostly a zero in the field. He was also a .689 OPS guy through over 700 PA entering this season and was just cut by the Orioles. His exit velo is elite, so I see the upside, but even including 0.5 WAR this year, he has -0.1 WAR in his career. I'd love to see him be the next random scrap heap dude we turn into a relevant player. I just need more than 7 games.
Yeah, the fact that Cordero can play a position on a daily basis makes him more valuable to me. That. and like Boone says, he's got "easy power." Dude looks like he's not even putting in effort as he crushes them.
But I'm with you on the small sample size, and I'm not putting him in Monument Park today. But I'll be a lot happier with an outfield of Judge, Bader, Cordero, Cabrera, and Stanton than any combination that includes Hicks.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 13, 2023, 08:07:51 AM
Post by: Badger on April 13, 2023, 09:12:28 AM
Basically. I grew to despise them during the Scoscia years because they always seemed to play better than they actually were. He was long a wish list manager for me here.Whenever I see the current Angels I just think of this tweet (https://twitter.com/matttomic/status/1394498097254965249?t=bvmtzrSGakJ8t0aUlKaUFA&s=19), and to me the Mariners are just lumped in with the Twins and A's as teams we consistently dominated in the postseason. I suppose we dominate Cleveland too but they're a little bit on my excrement list for being annoying last year.
I don't like Cleveland from the Colon/Sabathia days, and Seattle from the Griffey Jr. days.
Honestly, I still despise Detroit because they gave me fits as a kid, though they've been so bad for so long I don't think about them much anymore.
If it wasn't apparent, I hold grudges. Lol
Post by: delavan on April 13, 2023, 09:47:11 AM
Cleveland is in the second tier of teams I love to beat.Solid list
Tier 1
Boston
Toronto
Tampa
Houston
Tier 2
Cleveland
LAA
Seattle
It's really Franchy (birth cert.)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Franchy_Cordero_%2848033031291%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/177px-Franchy_Cordero_%2848033031291%29_%28cropped%29.jpg)
https://theathletic.com/4403434/2023/04/11/yankees-franchy-cordero-unique-name-breakout/
Aaron Boone with some well-measured comments during the post game saying (in addition to hoping the beaned ump was ok) that while he was thrown out he nevertheless appreciated the ump not matching his level of anger during his (legit reason) meltdown.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 13, 2023, 12:06:33 PM
Whenever I see the current Angels I just think of this tweet (https://twitter.com/matttomic/status/1394498097254965249?t=bvmtzrSGakJ8t0aUlKaUFA&s=19), and to me the Mariners are just lumped in with the Twins and A's as teams we consistently dominated in the postseason. I suppose we dominate Cleveland too but they're a little bit on my excrement list for being annoying last year.
That's a funny tweet.
For me, the Mariners just killed me as a kid. Griffey hated us (and I liked his dad a lot), and Dan Pasqua was one of my favorite Yankees until he went over there and killed us for years. Again, grudges.
I'm kind of anti-As too going back to the Bash Bros days. That's lessened over recent years with things like overflowing toilets in their dugout though.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 13, 2023, 01:06:22 PM
Solid list
It's really Franchy (birth cert.)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Franchy_Cordero_%2848033031291%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/177px-Franchy_Cordero_%2848033031291%29_%28cropped%29.jpg)
https://theathletic.com/4403434/2023/04/11/yankees-franchy-cordero-unique-name-breakout/
Aaron Boone with some well-measured comments during the post game saying (in addition to hoping the beaned ump was ok) that while he was thrown out he nevertheless appreciated the ump not matching his level of anger during his (legit reason) meltdown.
I was trying to read lips during the whole fiasco, and it seemed like the umps were saying things like "Yeah, I know" but what could they do at that point?
I'm 100% in favor of the new faster pacing rules, but the replay rule kind of sucks. The intention of replay is to get things right. Regardless of how it played out, they got it right after review where it was initially wrong.
Post by: delavan on April 13, 2023, 07:04:30 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Twins_Poster.jpg)
O
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/New_york_yankees.JPG/320px-New_york_yankees.JPG)
Fortunately it's only bottom of the 3rd.....
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 13, 2023, 07:11:20 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 14, 2023, 06:58:16 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 15, 2023, 08:18:48 AM
The lineup needs to stabilize, and the daily carousel doesn't help. But the back 3/5 of the rotation is killing this team. Not going deeper into games is exposing a weakened bullpen to too many innings.
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2023, 09:19:16 AM
Amazing start, poor finishI actually liked yesterday's lineup relative to some of the recent ones.
The lineup needs to stabilize, and the daily carousel doesn't help. But the back 3/5 of the rotation is killing this team. Not going deeper into games is exposing a weakened bullpen to too many innings.
Need DJ back in there though.
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2023, 09:24:49 AM
1. LeMahieu 3B
2. Judge CF
3. Rizzo 1B
4. Stanton DH
5. Torres 2B
6. Cordero RF
7. Cabrera LF
8. Trevino C
9. Volpe SS
Once Bader is back then either Franchy or Waldo have to sit.
Edit: they're using this exact lineup today but with Higgy at C.
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2023, 09:45:48 AM
"0.96 era and walked just 10 batters in his first 65.1 IP as a Yankee
In 31 innings since July 12th 2022 (the meltdown against the Reds) Clay Holmes has a 5.81 era and has walked 18 batters."
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 15, 2023, 10:08:39 AM
With DJ back my optimal lineup would be
1. LeMahieu 3B
2. Judge CF
3. Rizzo 1B
4. Stanton DH
5. Torres 2B
6. Cordero RF
7. Cabrera LF
8. Trevino C
9. Volpe SS
Once Bader is back then either Franchy or Waldo have to sit.
Edit: they're using this exact lineup today but with Higgy at C.
Yeah, that's an ideal lineup to me as well. And when Bader is back, he would hit 9 in my order, and Trevino and Volpe move up one spot.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 15, 2023, 10:12:41 AM
Clay Holmes
"0.96 era and walked just 10 batters in his first 65.1 IP as a Yankee
In 31 innings since July 12th 2022 (the meltdown against the Reds) Clay Holmes has a 5.81 era and has walked 18 batters."
That jives with my eye test. His control seems way off. Feels like he's always behind in counts.
Marinaccio pitches way too many innings, but him and Wandy are the only guys I really trust coming out of the pen these days.
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2023, 10:20:46 AM
That jives with my eye test. His control seems way off. Feels like he's always behind in counts.Can't understate the effect that missing two SPs (three if you count Montas) has on the bullpen too. They've had to do a lot more work when our filler starters fall apart.
Marinaccio pitches way too many innings, but him and Wandy are the only guys I really trust coming out of the pen these days.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 16, 2023, 08:53:28 AM
Can't understate the effect that missing two SPs (three if you count Montas) has on the bullpen too. They've had to do a lot more work when our filler starters fall apart.
Yup, that's what I was talking about when I posted about 3/5 of the rotation killing this team. Way too many innings being thrown by a pen dealing with its own injury issues.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 16, 2023, 12:21:35 PM
Stanton heads to the IL with a hamstring injury. Peraza called up.
Unreal. The conditioning on this team is garbage.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 16, 2023, 01:07:39 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 16, 2023, 01:40:12 PM
Second verse; same as the first!It's not conditioning...they're old.
Stanton heads to the IL with a hamstring injury. Peraza called up.
Unreal. The conditioning on this team is garbage.
Post by: Badger on April 16, 2023, 02:46:33 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 16, 2023, 02:58:38 PM
It's not conditioning...they're old.
Stanton, you can make that argument, but he's been getting hurt for a long time. Certainly, Donaldson is older. It gets harder to make the age argument for Bader, still in his twenties, or Montas and Severino (30).
In fairness, it's not just conditioning. It's also that some of these guys have tons of injury history, but the front office of this team can do no wrong, no matter how predictably their decision-making plays out.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 16, 2023, 02:59:59 PM
Cole nine shutty
23 games with 10+ Ks.
Imagine if Cashman had acquired him before he became an Astro?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 19, 2023, 09:47:41 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 19, 2023, 09:55:32 PM
Was that my favorite win of the season? Idk but it was a solid feeling one
Definitely fun to win.
Really want to see a lot less Willie Calhoun going forward. Let Peraza play every day and revolve DH around Judge, Gleyber, Rizzo, Cordero, and Peraza.
Post by: Badger on April 20, 2023, 08:40:39 PM
Post by: Badger on April 22, 2023, 03:16:00 PM
Post by: Badger on April 22, 2023, 04:34:48 PM
https://twitter.com/MaxTGoodman/status/1649878278839189508?s=20
Post by: delavan on April 23, 2023, 09:35:00 PM
https://twitter.com/RiverAveBlues/status/1650229058481934336
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2023, 09:01:12 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 25, 2023, 09:52:46 AM
Not great
Yeah, I've been too deflated the past few games to even complain. Feels like a snowball problem. Rotation injuries leading to pen guys starting leading to way too many innings eaten by bullpen guys. Lineup injuries are stretching an all-or-nothing lineup out too far. Judge is getting nothing at all to hit. Volpe is about the only exciting thing with this team right now.
Gray and Gallo eating our lunch was the cherry on top.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2023, 09:59:09 AM
If Aaron Hicks is so in his own head that he is trying to bunt for a hit with 2 outs, he should be DFA'd. I don't hate Hicks as much as most Yankees fans, but I'm pretty convinced he's done as an MLB-level player. That said, Willie Calhoun is batting .136 (which is better than he did last year!) with a .390 OPS, so he's probably first on the chopping block.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 25, 2023, 10:16:04 AM
There's just too much dead weight on this roster. Outfield depth was an issue entering the season, yet it was never addressed, even after Bader got hurt. Oswaldo should have been a utility guy, not an everyday player, at least entering the year.
If Aaron Hicks is so in his own head that he is trying to bunt for a hit with 2 outs, he should be DFA'd. I don't hate Hicks as much as most Yankees fans, but I'm pretty convinced he's done as an MLB-level player. That said, Willie Calhoun is batting .136 (which is better than he did last year!) with a .390 OPS, so he's probably first on the chopping block.
I'm actually still a Hicks fan. But he's done here. He has to go reset somewhere else.
Calhoun is a complete waste of a roster spot.
Stanton being made of glass is killing us. I like Bader, but it's embarrassing that we're counting on him as some magical fix.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2023, 12:52:56 PM
I'm actually still a Hicks fan. But he's done here. He has to go reset somewhere else.
Calhoun is a complete waste of a roster spot.
Stanton being made of glass is killing us. I like Bader, but it's embarrassing that we're counting on him as some magical fix.
Hicks is .206/.315/.306 (.621) in the last 3 seasons in 610 PA. Really, the only thing he can do at this point is walk. He has no power anymore. He's 33 with a history of injuries, and he's been in decline for years. His contract is a sunk cost at this point IMO.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 25, 2023, 01:35:59 PM
Hicks is .206/.315/.306 (.621) in the last 3 seasons in 610 PA. Really, the only thing he can do at this point is walk. He has no power anymore. He's 33 with a history of injuries, and he's been in decline for years. His contract is a sunk cost at this point IMO.
Maybe his talent is completely gone, I don't know. When I watch him, I see a guy who is playing way too much in his head and he just can't get out of his own way.
But either way, we're on the same page here, Hicks should not be holding onto a roster spot on this team. He and Calhoun should be gone.
I haven't kept up with the Scranton team this year, so I don't know if there are any kids who deserve a promotion, but I did see they signed Kole Calhoun the other day so I think there are at least thoughts of moving on. Bader apparently joined SWB today, so hopefully he'll be here soon.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2023, 08:27:30 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 26, 2023, 10:35:38 AM
I'm really hoping this is just a bad spell and things will get better, but they look like a very one-dimensional team outside specific players. Volpe and DJ seem to be the only guys interested in pure contact. Cole and Cortes are the only pitchers on the entire staff who aren't trying to just "whip it as hard as you can" every pitch.
The pitching has actually been fine, even tho we don’t have a closer, we’re missing a bunch of setup guys, and 3/5 of the rotation are our depth guys.
3rd in the league in ERA. Thanks Matt Blake.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2023, 01:29:51 PM
The pitching has actually been fine, even tho we don’t have a closer, we’re missing a bunch of setup guys, and 3/5 of the rotation are our depth guys.
3rd in the league in ERA. Thanks Matt Blake.
It's completely unfair to argue with the results, I admit that. My only issue with it is, other than Cole and Nestor, everyone on the pitching staff's arsenal consists of "Pull your arm back as far as possible and whip it forward."
I'm all for using spin rate to your advantage. I just don't think it should be the only answer. I don't think it's sustainable. The inability for our "starters" to get out of the 4th seems to back that up. And yes, they're starters that shouldn't be but that's a whole different can of worms.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2023, 03:39:05 PM
It's completely unfair to argue with the results, I admit that. My only issue with it is, other than Cole and Nestor, everyone on the pitching staff's arsenal consists of "Pull your arm back as far as possible and whip it forward."I'm fine with our pitching. Tons of injuries but still very effective. Don't really care how they are effective. I fully trust Matt Blake.
I'm all for using spin rate to your advantage. I just don't think it should be the only answer. I don't think it's sustainable. The inability for our "starters" to get out of the 4th seems to back that up. And yes, they're starters that shouldn't be but that's a whole different can of worms.
The offense is banged up, too, but I don't think the Yankees did enough to address that in the offseason.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2023, 05:33:42 PM
I'm fine with our pitching. Tons of injuries but still very effective. Don't really care how they are effective. I fully trust Matt Blake.
The offense is banged up, too, but I don't think the Yankees did enough to address that in the offseason.
Effective is all that matters.
It's just these guys are flinging the ball as hard as possible. No aim, just shoot. It leads to a lot of swings and misses, and lots of "right over the middle" mistakes that travel 400 feet. And it's got to be putting some terrible wear and tear on shoulders and elbows. We've seen quite a lot of Yankees pitchers with elbow issues the past few years.
But it is what it is. We won today, and it's Aaron day. I'm happy.
Post by: delavan on April 26, 2023, 06:04:20 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 30, 2023, 02:55:04 PM
Post by: Badger on April 30, 2023, 03:24:44 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2023, 04:53:01 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 30, 2023, 08:07:27 PM
Yankees offense has been propped up by Judge for 2 seasons. Now Judge is out.
Both Judge and Stanton out hurts. At the same time, this lineup's got to do something better. It's not as devoid of talent as it's performing.
The warts on the pitching staff are becoming a lot darker.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2023, 08:12:02 PM
Both Judge and Stanton out hurts. At the same time, this lineup's got to do something better. It's not as devoid of talent as it's performing.It's pretty devoid of talent right now.
The warts on the pitching staff are becoming a lot darker.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2023, 10:49:45 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2023, 07:31:28 AM
It's pretty devoid of talent right now.
Volpe and Peraza, albeit in smaller sample sizes, have shown they can hit at this level. Rizzo and DJ are professional hitters. Gleyber is streaky, but he can hit too. 5/9 of the lineup are good hitters, and Trevino and Cabrera have performed at the plate too. It's one thing to assume Hicks is a hole in the order, but everyone stinks right now, and it shouldn't be affected by the loss of Judge and Stanton to this degree.
Though it's no shocker that they consistently waste RISP with less than 2 outs. At least we can count on that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2023, 02:55:50 PM
Volpe and Peraza, albeit in smaller sample sizes, have shown they can hit at this level. Rizzo and DJ are professional hitters. Gleyber is streaky, but he can hit too. 5/9 of the lineup are good hitters, and Trevino and Cabrera have performed at the plate too. It's one thing to assume Hicks is a hole in the order, but everyone stinks right now, and it shouldn't be affected by the loss of Judge and Stanton to this degree.Volpe and Peraza have not proven anything, much less that they can hit at this level. Volpe has a .670 OPS in 92 AB. Peraza has a .716 OPS in 78 AB. Sample sizes are too small to judge anything one way or the other. Oswaldo had a .740 OPS in 154 AB last season, but he's been a trainwreck this year.
Though it's no shocker that they consistently waste RISP with less than 2 outs. At least we can count on that.
I like both guys, but it is wayyyyy too early to call them good hitters. Also, ideally we wouldn't be relying on them as our 4th and 5th best hitters.
This team was obviously one outfielder short entering the season, even before Bader got hurt, much less Stanton and Judge.
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2023, 05:43:59 PM
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Post by: Badger on May 01, 2023, 08:18:30 PM
Clay 0 shitty.I ended my post with a question mark because I could feel something shitty about to happen.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2023, 08:21:18 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2023, 07:23:10 AM
Clay Holmes should never be seen after the 6th again.
Maranaccio, Wandy, King. Swap 1 & 2 as necessary.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 03, 2023, 11:50:50 AM
Volpe and Peraza have not proven anything, much less that they can hit at this level. Volpe has a .670 OPS in 92 AB. Peraza has a .716 OPS in 78 AB. Sample sizes are too small to judge anything one way or the other. Oswaldo had a .740 OPS in 154 AB last season, but he's been a trainwreck this year.
I like both guys, but it is wayyyyy too early to call them good hitters. Also, ideally we wouldn't be relying on them as our 4th and 5th best hitters.
This team was obviously one outfielder short entering the season, even before Bader got hurt, much less Stanton and Judge.
Volpe has been good though
103 wRC+
0.9 WAR - on Pace for ~4.0 Season
He’s 12th among qualified SS in wRC+ and 7th in WAR
He’s already got 10 steals, which is tied for 3rd in MLB.
He’s 23rd in the league in BB% (higher than Judge)
This is with a bad start to the season, and him being asked to leadoff regularly during his rookie year. It’s too early to say he’s proven anything, but this is a pretty good start to his career. Certainly not disappointing.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 03, 2023, 11:54:03 AM
He hasn’t started regularly, and those stats are split over 2 seasons.
His best tool by far is his defense at short, and he’s not being used there.
I didn’t like the call up unless He was going to play every day
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2023, 01:17:04 PM
Quote
Talkin' Yanks
@TalkinYanks
Boone said Rodon "can't get over the hump with his back" per @ChrisKirschner
#cooked
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2023, 01:18:14 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2023, 01:41:47 PM
you guys gonna fire Boone this season?
If things don't take a big turn, I think he's gonna be the fall guy.
But somehow Teflon Brian will still have a job. I wonder who the best injury-prone player hitting free agency this coming offseason is?
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 03, 2023, 03:48:49 PM
you guys gonna fire Boone this season?Never. He has a lifetime contract.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 03, 2023, 03:52:44 PM
Volpe has been good thoughOh I'm not saying he's disappointing or trying to say he's a bad player.
103 wRC+
0.9 WAR - on Pace for ~4.0 Season
He’s 12th among qualified SS in wRC+ and 7th in WAR
He’s already got 10 steals, which is tied for 3rd in MLB.
He’s 23rd in the league in BB% (higher than Judge)
This is with a bad start to the season, and him being asked to leadoff regularly during his rookie year. It’s too early to say he’s proven anything, but this is a pretty good start to his career. Certainly not disappointing.
I'm just saying it's way too early to call him a good hitter. He's pretty mediocre. And that's totally fine for a 21-year old in his first month in MLB. I think he'll be a very good player for a long time.
The issue is more 5-9 in the order, and that we need Volpe and Peraza (and Cabrera) to hit now to stay afloat.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2023, 08:27:39 PM
Tie Holmes to Boone, tie Boone to a cinder block, drop the cinder block in the East River.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 03, 2023, 08:37:02 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2023, 08:37:42 PM
Guys are underperforming? Who is Brian? The rookies? The bullpen with 3 performers and a bunch of other guys? The bullpen guys you have starting? Trivino who you brought in solely for his defense? Higgy who is a career backup? Maybe it's the infielders playing outfield? The only folks "underperforming" are on the coaching staff and in the front office. The only non-injured player you can make that argument with is Gleyber.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 03, 2023, 08:51:14 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2023, 08:54:37 PM
Somehow got the win.
Trevino bailed out Boone.
How do you PH your last bench player--a catcher for your catcher no less--in a tie game where you've struggled all night? It worked, so it's a "genius" move, but it's not a smart move.
I've been a major Boone apologist, but I just don't understand what he's doing lately. Now that the lineup doesn't write itself, I guess the job's actually hard.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 03, 2023, 09:45:02 PM
I've always been a Cashman defender but it was malpractice to not an add another outfielder. The Yankees have a ton of injuries and that's certainly unlucky. But the outfield depth was never there.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2023, 10:42:40 PM
Boone seems like a great guy. I really like him personally. I wish he would work out. But as a manager, I'm not sure what his strengths are. He has never been a good in-game manager. The results have been OK but never amazing. He is replacement level at best and should have been fired years ago. I can't hate him because he is likable. But he is mediocre.
I've always been a Cashman defender but it was malpractice to not an add another outfielder. The Yankees have a ton of injuries and that's certainly unlucky. But the outfield depth was never there.
Totally agree on Boone, though I've always given him more leeway than most. I think he does what he was hired to do: be a player's coach and follow "the book" with in-game decisions.
Cashman I've always disliked. He's widely viewed as one of the best GMs but why? What has he really done over his tenure here that throwing the most money around wasn't his answer to? He's been GM for 20+ years. Other than the very recent Judge and now likely Volpe, who were his best draft picks? How often has he been cheered simply for scamming other teams by overselling his farmhands in trades?
We could certainly do worse. But if Cashman was gone tomorrow, the line of applicants for the job would stretch over the GW. What could a GM like a Dombrowski, Beane, or Epstein do with not just the Yankees' resources, but the infinite patience of Hal?
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2023, 07:17:26 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2023, 08:05:52 AM
Did Bader get hurt again?
No answers yet, but some hope. He was in good spirits post-game. It looked awful though, and you could clearly lip read on replay "something pop" which is never a good thing, but worse when the neck and head are involved.
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2023, 08:07:29 AM
No answers yet, but some hope. He was in good spirits post-game. It looked awful though, and you could clearly lip read on replay "something pop" which is never a good thing, but worse when the neck and head are involved.
Montas
Bader
Rodon
That's quite the basket of lemons Cashman traded for or signed.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2023, 08:20:45 AM
Montas
Bader
Rodon
That's quite the basket of lemons Cashman traded for or signed.
He's a helluva shopper. If you look at items crossed off previously, it includes names like Ellsbury and Pavano as well.
Oh, and you forgot Stanton on your current list. And Lou Trivino. And Tommy Kahnle.
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2023, 08:22:55 AM
He's a helluva shopper. If you look at items crossed off previously, it includes names like Ellsbury and Pavano as well.
Oh, and you forgot Stanton on your current list. And Lou Trivino. And Tommy Kahnle.
Carl Pavano's weiner smelled like Alyssa Milano....that's what he brought to the team.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2023, 10:47:20 AM
You guys wanted Carlos Marmol right
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2023, 10:48:41 AM
I would love to move on from Boone just so you guys can move on complaining about the next guy
You guys wanted Carlos Marmol right
John Gibbons is available
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2023, 10:49:55 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2023, 11:09:09 AM
I would love to move on from Boone just so you guys can move on complaining about the next guy
You guys wanted Carlos Marmol right
I've been a Boone fanboy since day 1. Like I said, I think he gets more crap than deserved because his decision-making is done by the book and often lacks instinct. But he's a good guy and the players seem to love him, and in modern sports, that's a critical skill.
But he's made some really questionable calls lately, and if repeatedly going to Holmes is his "gut" call, then he can take a hike.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2023, 11:24:17 AM
I've been a Boone fanboy since day 1. Like I said, I think he gets more crap than deserved because his decision-making is done by the book and often lacks instinct. But he's a good guy and the players seem to love him, and in modern sports, that's a critical skill.
But he's made some really questionable calls lately, and if repeatedly going to Holmes is his "gut" call, then he can take a hike.
He’s sticking with Holmes too long just like he stuck with Chapman for too long.
I can guarantee you that isn’t solely his decision.
This team isn’t good rn and needs their 2022 all star closer back. I thought it was fine to give him a few more shots to regain his form but he shouldn’t be closing. Shouldn’t have been for a couple weeks now. He can come in and walk the side in the 7th instead
As it always had been with Clay, its about his control. Idk if they can fix him twice
Edit: his sinker has 2 more inches of vertical break this year. They don’t want that. That pitch already moved a ton and he had trouble commanding it last year too. Also down about 1 mph this year
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2023, 11:26:03 AM
Fun read!
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2023, 11:42:32 AM
We should just not trade for anyone because they might get hurt
You know that's a ridiculous oversimplification, right?
Montas and Rodon have a history. Stanton had a history. Bader was literally on the IL when he traded for him.
I agree with Cash that Judge's most recent injury is a fluke you can't control. But come on. Cashman's got a history that includes Jacoby Ellsbury who was frequently injured with Boston. I understand he looks for high-upside and tries to get them at a bargain, but you often get what you pay for.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2023, 11:44:38 AM
He’s sticking with Holmes too long just like he stuck with Chapman for too long.
I can guarantee you that isn’t solely his decision.
This team isn’t good rn and needs their 2022 all star closer back. I thought it was fine to give him a few more shots to regain his form but he shouldn’t be closing. Shouldn’t have been for a couple weeks now. He can come in and walk the side in the 7th instead
As it always had been with Clay, its about his control. Idk if they can fix him twice
Edit: his sinker has 2 more inches of vertical break this year. They don’t want that. That pitch already moved a ton and he had trouble commanding it last year too. Also down about 1 mph this year
So we're on the same page. FTR, I think the management is a bit out of his hands as well. Which is why I tend to keep giving him benefit of the doubt. But last night ticked me off.
Post by: Johnny English on May 04, 2023, 11:51:03 AM
https://twitter.com/treadathletics/status/1653832325879177221?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Fun read!
As someone with limited interest in baseball, that actually was a really fun read. The mechanics are fascinating.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2023, 11:55:14 AM
You know that's a ridiculous oversimplification, right?
Montas and Rodon have a history. Stanton had a history. Bader was literally on the IL when he traded for him.
I agree with Cash that Judge's most recent injury is a fluke you can't control. But come on. Cashman's got a history that includes Jacoby Ellsbury who was frequently injured with Boston. I understand he looks for high-upside and tries to get them at a bargain, but you often get what you pay for.
The only one I’ll give you on the current team is Montas.
Do we need to rehash it though? Cashman knew he was injured and he was the best option at the time
Did anyone not want to sign Rodon?
Giancarlo’s history is a little oversimplified. One of those injuries your talking about was him getting hit by a pitch in the face and breaking his jaw
Bader wasn’t Injury prone. Hell plantar facitis is barely an injury unless it’s recurring or a tear that isn’t treated properly
Ellsbury was a bad signing, clear desperation move after we lost Cano
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2023, 11:55:34 AM
https://twitter.com/treadathletics/status/1653832325879177221?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Fun read!
So was that supposed to absolve the Yankees? Because it doesn't. Especially in light of the recent Sonny Gray revelation that they made him change his mechanics and throw pitches he didn't want to throw.
I like Blake, but I said this recently, I think there's way too much focus within this organization of simply generating more torque/spin to the point where there's a complete departure from artistry.
If you're a pitcher with elite aim, like a Cole, generating more spin is going to make you more successful. But when you're a guy like Schmidt or Holmes, and you'd have trouble hitting a barn with a fastball, maybe take 1 or 2 MPH off and hit your target more often.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2023, 12:04:12 PM
The only one I’ll give you on the current team is Montas.
Do we need to rehash it though? Cashman knew he was injured and he was the best option at the time
Did anyone not want to sign Rodon?
Giancarlo’s history is a little oversimplified. One of those injuries your talking about was him getting hit by a pitch in the face and breaking his jaw
Bader wasn’t Injury prone. Hell plantar facitis is barely an injury unless it’s recurring or a tear that isn’t treated properly
Ellsbury was a bad signing, clear desperation move after we lost Cano
Once is an accident. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is a pattern.
I understand where you're coming from, but we're on polar opposite ends of the Cashman spectrum. I don't think there's a middle ground for us to find.
As a kid from the 80s, I know well we could be a lot worse than yearly playoff losses. Hell, as Jets fans we know it today. I just believe he does nothing that practically anyone else could do in the same position. Other than Judge and Volpe, who are his great draft picks? He bails himself out all the time with money and oversold farmhands he trades away for stopgaps.
What would Dombrowski or Beane or Epstein have been able to do with the Yankees over the past 20+ years?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2023, 02:50:04 PM
Once is an accident. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is a pattern.
I understand where you're coming from, but we're on polar opposite ends of the Cashman spectrum. I don't think there's a middle ground for us to find.
As a kid from the 80s, I know well we could be a lot worse than yearly playoff losses. Hell, as Jets fans we know it today. I just believe he does nothing that practically anyone else could do in the same position. Other than Judge and Volpe, who are his great draft picks? He bails himself out all the time with money and oversold farmhands he trades away for stopgaps.
What would Dombrowski or Beane or Epstein have been able to do with the Yankees over the past 20+ years?
No idea why you like Billy Beane, he never won anything. Yankees fans absolutely would have complained about that guy
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2023, 02:52:23 PM
So was that supposed to absolve the Yankees? Because it doesn't. Especially in light of the recent Sonny Gray revelation that they made him change his mechanics and throw pitches he didn't want to throw.
I like Blake, but I said this recently, I think there's way too much focus within this organization of simply generating more torque/spin to the point where there's a complete departure from artistry.
If you're a pitcher with elite aim, like a Cole, generating more spin is going to make you more successful. But when you're a guy like Schmidt or Holmes, and you'd have trouble hitting a barn with a fastball, maybe take 1 or 2 MPH off and hit your target more often.
Sorry, you can’t argue Blake’s results. He’s turned a bad pitching staff into a good pitching staff.
I wasn’t posting that in favor of the Yankees whatsoever. The guy who wrote does give them a pass though. I think Chapman clearly needed a change of scenery more than anything else.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2023, 02:55:19 PM
No idea why you like Billy Beane, he never won anything. Yankees fans absolutely would have complained about that guy
Maybe. But he's made competitive teams with absolutely no salary. There's obviously no way to know (unless they suddenly start making bank in Vegas) but if he had money, on top of his ability to find and cultivate talent, I think he'd be a king.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2023, 03:01:28 PM
Sorry, you can’t argue Blake’s results. He’s turned a bad pitching staff into a good pitching staff.
I wasn’t posting that in favor of the Yankees whatsoever. The guy who wrote does give them a pass though. I think Chapman clearly needed a change of scenery more than anything else.
I probably didn't make the point as clear as I'd have liked. Blake is good, and you're right, he's turned around a few careers here.
It's the overall organizational thinking that bugs me. Blake's got a job to do, and part of it is doing what he's told. If one of the film junkies in the office thinks a guy can get a few more RPMs with a tweak, his job is to tweak.
Part of why I don't blame Blake directly is because we've seen enough guys come up from the system now to see it has clearly been taught at the lower levels.
My bad regarding Chapman. It was really interesting, but I didn't like how it absolved the Yankees. Honestly, I thought Chapman was washed. Clearly not.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2023, 03:02:21 PM
How
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2023, 03:06:07 PM
Lol the only Non AL East team with more wins than us is Tex Rangers
How
Jeez, what?
Has the ALE been facing a lot of out of division AL teams? The East is obviously the best division on this side of the league. The Yankees are in last place with a .500+ record, so we've all got to be beating somebody.
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2023, 06:51:57 PM
Lol the only Non AL East team with more wins than us is Tex RangersBecause it's incorrect?
How
Rangers, Angels, Twins
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2023, 08:38:36 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2023, 08:39:34 PM
Because it's incorrect?
Rangers, Angels, Twins
Angels and Twins both won today, at the time of the post we all had 17 wins
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 05, 2023, 01:54:14 PM
https://twitter.com/rami_lavi/status/1654226400398680064?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Yikes! Maybe we're bad luck?
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 05, 2023, 01:55:58 PM
Angels and Twins both won today, at the time of the post we all had 17 wins
The Mets game was just on the doctor's office and they're playing Detroit who they mentioned are currently 2-16 against the AL East.
It amazes me that MLB is still considering expansion.
Post by: MBGreen on May 06, 2023, 10:20:19 AM
Good night, sweet prince.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 06, 2023, 06:07:51 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 06, 2023, 07:12:20 PM
Post by: delavan on May 07, 2023, 07:50:27 PM
Boonie with a late hook turns into a bad 8-7 loss in 10
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 08, 2023, 01:00:14 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 09, 2023, 06:56:13 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 09, 2023, 08:02:22 AM
Ham Dawg commands your respect.
His stuff is nasty, huh?
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 10, 2023, 12:02:19 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 10, 2023, 01:31:55 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 10, 2023, 01:40:13 PM
Also, thank god for Athletics pitching.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 10, 2023, 02:07:46 PM
Cashman's much healthier roster can hit.
Today is SFD day. Enjoy your win!
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2023, 04:58:57 PM
Bader...my goodness24 total bases in 19 ABs
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2023, 09:49:53 PM
Thank god for Judge and Bader. Lengthens the lineup so much. Still ridiculous that we have to play IKF in a corner outfield spot though.
Also, thank god for Athletics pitching.
Watch it talking about JP Sears like that.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2023, 09:51:13 PM
24 total bases in 19 ABs
🥵
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 10, 2023, 10:15:19 PM
Watch it talking about JP Sears like that.Another pitching prospect sent to the Athletics to die.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 11, 2023, 07:06:06 AM
Post by: Badger on May 11, 2023, 07:45:09 AM
Nice to get a sweep, but the A's are also 2003 Tigers level bad.I wonder if they knew how bad the A's would be when they made the schedule since they dumped that game at 12:30 on a Wednesday in May.
Post by: delavan on May 11, 2023, 09:09:17 AM
Post by: IATA on May 11, 2023, 10:23:28 AM
I wonder if they knew how bad the A's would be when they made the schedule since they dumped that game at 12:30 on a Wednesday in May.
it wouldnt have been much of a leap, theyre the worst run team in professional sports
Post by: delavan on May 11, 2023, 08:23:03 PM
it wouldnt have been much of a leap, theyre the worst run team in professional sportsYeah but those lucky bastards get to play in Oaktown
…for now
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 11, 2023, 08:46:04 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 11, 2023, 11:07:23 PM
The league is definitely closing the gap on us.
This is what happens when you draft well and don't just rely on a fat checkbook to bail you out every year.
I'll say it till it changes, Cashman does nothing special and just buys his way out of his mistakes.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 11, 2023, 11:25:53 PM
I wonder if they knew how bad the A's would be when they made the schedule since they dumped that game at 12:30 on a Wednesday in May.
It was a getaway day for the A’s, but they also traded all their players before the schedule released. So yes.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 11, 2023, 11:26:47 PM
The league is definitely closing the gap on us.
Not every team has an IKF.
Advantage: us.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 11, 2023, 11:27:51 PM
This is what happens when you draft well and don't just rely on a fat checkbook to bail you out every year.
I'll say it till it changes, Cashman does nothing special and just buys his way out of his mistakes.
Lol what I thought this team doesn’t spend money.
Actually I’m sure of it because we’ve talked about this several times
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 12, 2023, 09:35:17 AM
Lol what I thought this team doesn’t spend money.
Actually I’m sure of it because we’ve talked about this several times
Yeah, we've talked about it. It's one of the few times where we've found middle ground.
They spend money, they just don't spend well.
Post by: MBGreen on May 12, 2023, 09:41:19 AM
Yeah, we've talked about it. It's one of the few times where we've found middle ground.
They spend money, they just don't spend well.
Rodon just winked at you
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 12, 2023, 11:00:13 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 12, 2023, 02:20:50 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsCHA9Eu6nL/?igshid=NjZiM2M3MzIxNA==
The missed foul ball was awful to watch. Just from a human standpoint it was sad to see a guy so broken, but then as a fan, WTF?
The rundown wasn't really fair to knock him for though. He was tagged out. The ump didn't call it, but on review it would've been quick.
He really needs a change of scenery. But the Yankees won't eat his salary and no one is going to take on his contract. So he plays. Then again, so does Willie Calhoun.
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2023, 08:48:40 PM
Post by: delavan on May 13, 2023, 09:22:08 AM
Getaway game yesterday for the A’s thus the early 12:30 pm start. Imagine having to fly 3,000 miles back to Oakland to play a game tonight vs. Texas. As if that isn’t bad enough, starting pitchers: Texas: Eovaldi; Oakland: TBAupdate from Oakland:
Texas 4 - 7 - 0
A’s O - 3 - O (12 k’s)
Rizz wiz
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 13, 2023, 02:18:16 PM
That has to be the game of the year so far.Today could top that if they hang on.
Post by: MBGreen on May 14, 2023, 12:21:08 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 15, 2023, 08:19:48 PM
And Judge hits one 462 feet.
Post by: delavan on May 15, 2023, 09:37:17 PM
Aaron Boone is absolutely hilarious when he's going after the umpires.Nice sidearm firing of his chewing gum post-ejection
And Judge hits one 462 feet.
The pitch to Judge in question was low
The ball off the bat of Judge on the following pitch wasn’t
”It is high..it is far…
..it is…GONE!”
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/John_Sterling.jpg/168px-John_Sterling.jpg)
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 16, 2023, 07:34:17 AM
Aaron Boone is absolutely hilarious when he's going after the umpires.
And Judge hits one 462 feet.
I really want this team to right the ship because I really like Boone.
Judge is an absolute monster. If Stanton could just stay healthy Judge, Rizzo, Stanton is a ridiculous heart of the order.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 16, 2023, 07:36:21 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 16, 2023, 07:43:16 AM
Post by: Badger on May 16, 2023, 09:12:06 PM
Post by: delavan on May 16, 2023, 09:33:44 PM
If the sac bunt's successful they walk Judge. Fortunately Gleyber pops up the bunt attempt allowing Judge to hit another CF bomb.
Post by: MBGreen on May 17, 2023, 07:01:04 AM
Imagine giving up a homer to IKF
If that isn't a sign the Yankees are cheating, then Puck has a shiny bridge to sell you.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 17, 2023, 08:21:44 AM
If that isn't a sign the Yankees are cheating, then Puck has a shiny bridge to sell you.
Yes, Judge is cheating to hit the ball into orbit. It couldn't possibly be because Toronto's pitching can't handle him.
The Jays might want to watch how many fingers they point around. Vladdy looks like he's lost quite a bit of his baby fat this year.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 17, 2023, 08:24:06 AM
And Schneider calling anyone "fat boy" is....something
Post by: MBGreen on May 17, 2023, 08:25:11 AM
Yes, Judge is cheating to hit the ball into orbit. It couldn't possibly be because Toronto's pitching can't handle him.
The Jays might want to watch how many fingers they point around. Vladdy looks like he's lost quite a bit of his baby fat this year.
TBF despite what's coming out of TO, i didn't think Judge was cheating. Having said that, German was. And that's hilarious given that the Yankees chirped that they would never cheat.
Post by: MBGreen on May 17, 2023, 08:29:13 AM
Toronto is the epitome of hypocrisy. "The Yankees coaches don't stay in the box!" Then they go right ahead and stand 10 yards outside it themselves.
And Schneider calling anyone "fat boy" is....something
The box thing is stupid, on both sides (yes you guys started that). Anyone calling someone fat on either side is also stupid....i seem to remember a water buffalo named CC Sabathia that played for the Yankees.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 17, 2023, 08:46:57 AM
TBF despite what's coming out of TO, i didn't think Judge was cheating. Having said that, German was. And that's hilarious given that the Yankees chirped that they would never cheat.
I hate German. He should've been cast off years ago when he put his hands on a woman. This should be the excuse the Yankees use to finally be rid of him. But they won't.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 17, 2023, 08:49:02 AM
The box thing is stupid, on both sides (yes you guys started that). Anyone calling someone fat on either side is also stupid....i seem to remember a water buffalo named CC Sabathia that played for the Yankees.
It's all stupid. I understand gamesmanship, but this series just seems like a bitchslap fight to prove who is more petty. The answer is: everyone. But mostly Boston. Cuz Buck Foston.
Post by: MBGreen on May 17, 2023, 09:04:22 AM
It's all stupid. I understand gamesmanship, but this series just seems like a bitchslap fight to prove who is more petty. The answer is: everyone. But mostly Boston. Cuz Buck Foston.
100% correct
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 17, 2023, 01:39:23 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 17, 2023, 01:50:35 PM
https://twitter.com/yankeewrld/status/1658650026006945801?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
https://twitter.com/korkedbats/status/1658636311614431232?s=20
Post by: delavan on May 17, 2023, 03:40:05 PM
It's all stupid. I understand gamesmanship, but this series just seems like a bitchslap fight to prove who is more petty. The answer is: everyone. But mostly Boston. Cuz Buck Foston.Stick to your guns Alio. When it comes to OTT posturing and showboating the Yankees (outside of Donaldson/Bader) can’t hold a candle to those apish jackasses.
The HR jacket? precious
https://youtu.be/I95xCjQe6Jg
https://twitter.com/korkedbats/status/1658636311614431232?s=20Hey, hands off Judge!
I don’t know what the deal is with German (i.e. when Sevy & Rodon et al return addios ‘Sluggo’ as far as I’m concerned) but the Judge inferring swipe is a pile of cowchips…we’re not talking ‘Space City’ vintage Geo. Springer ..
*and of course should German prove to be a stop gap answered prayer, pardon my suddenly foggy memory and hypocrisy *
Post by: MBGreen on May 18, 2023, 07:07:40 AM
Quote
Keegan Matheson
@KeeganMatheson
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9h
Chris Bassitt was dealing with a sinus infection today and the pressure was giving him headaches any time his heart rate got high… so:
“I was basically trying to pitch like a zombie today.” #BlueJays
Bassitt Hound...7 shutty
Post by: delavan on May 18, 2023, 11:22:13 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 18, 2023, 08:51:36 PM
Post by: Badger on May 18, 2023, 09:15:57 PM
32 Aaron Judge (102 G)
31 Jorge Posada (186 G)
28 Alex Rodriguez (166 G)
25 Brett Gardner (196 G)
25 Bernie Williams (197 G)
Post by: Badger on May 18, 2023, 09:28:35 PM
https://twitter.com/BryanHoch/status/1659304598677467136?cxt=HHwWgMC9pbevhIcuAAAA
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 18, 2023, 09:51:09 PM
Oh noooooo
https://twitter.com/BryanHoch/status/1659304598677467136?cxt=HHwWgMC9pbevhIcuAAAA
This post should actually be about Trevino
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 18, 2023, 09:51:29 PM
And win the Donaldson trade
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 18, 2023, 09:51:40 PM
Boonieeeee
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 18, 2023, 09:52:30 PM
That's the fastest pitch hit for a HR by any Yankee this season
Volp
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 18, 2023, 09:53:26 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 19, 2023, 08:59:08 AM
I regret to inform every Yankees fan in existence that Aaron Hicks had 3 hits tonight
I haven't seen him look that happy and relaxed in literally years. Good to see.
Post by: Badger on May 20, 2023, 02:34:06 PM
Post by: Badger on May 20, 2023, 02:34:14 PM
I regret to inform every Yankees fan in existence that Aaron Hicks had 3 hits tonight
I haven't seen him look that happy and relaxed in literally years. Good to see.welp
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 20, 2023, 02:59:36 PM
The timing is strange because if the plan with Hicks was to give him an extremely long rope to see if he could hit, then why cut him now?
That Twins game in the regular season was one of my favorite Yankees regular season games in a while, and Hicks made the biggest plays. He hit some big home runs here, too. Until last year, I was always a bigger Hicks fan than most. Cashman getting him for Murphy was one of his better moves, though the extension obviously backfired badly.
Post by: Badger on May 21, 2023, 11:19:26 PM
https://twitter.com/davidrifkin/status/1660040912712417285
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 22, 2023, 08:19:40 AM
welp
Yeah, that was a little weird, but getting yet another outfielder and Bader plsying great made him more expendable than he was a few weeks ago.
Sad. He seems like a good dude and never quit like some others we've had to watch in the past. But like DS said, it was overdue.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 22, 2023, 08:20:07 AM
Fine with this
https://twitter.com/davidrifkin/status/1660040912712417285
Good
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 22, 2023, 08:55:06 AM
Best manager in the league
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 22, 2023, 01:13:33 PM
Boone led MLB in ejections last year and has 3 this year
Best manager in the league
I was talking about his ejections yesterday with some people. He's up there on entertaining ejections. No one is Billy Martin or Lou Pinella, but Boone goes from irritated to cursing up a storm faster than a Hunter Green pitch. He's hilarious.
I really do like Boone, and I hope that once this team is truly healthy they can win it all for him. For all my Cashman kvetching, I think he's built a really good roster--if healthy. This lineup can produce a ton of runs and if the real starters are healthy, it's potentially 4 ace-level guys and whoever they fill in for the 5th spot (bring back Jhony!). If you can save the Marinaccio, Wandy, and King bullets for less appearances, this is a shutdown pen.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 22, 2023, 01:15:41 PM
But Boone gets tossed more and is legitimately funny, too. He probably realizes he's a replacement-level manager, so getting tossed doesn't affect how the team is managed :)
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 22, 2023, 01:28:10 PM
Girardi was probably funnier when he got tossed because he's so serious all the time, and it was more of an occasion.
But Boone gets tossed more and is legitimately funny, too. He probably realizes he's a replacement-level manager, so getting tossed doesn't affect how the team is managed :)
No manager getting tossed has ever affected how the team is managed. Every ejected manager ever has continued managing from beyond the dugout.
As a strategist, he might be replacement-level, but we also have no idea how many decisions are made by the front office that he is just the face of. But from a player standpoint, I think he's above-average. At least until he's pissing off Cole by pulling him.
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2023, 07:17:05 AM
https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/1660747376842141697?s=20
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 23, 2023, 08:07:53 AM
Look at that OPS
https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/1660747376842141697?s=20
That SLG alone...
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 23, 2023, 01:34:46 PM
My favorite answer I've seen: "I saw Carl Pavano pitch"
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2023, 01:56:22 PM
Yankee Stadium has been trending on Twitter today. Largely because people are answering the question "What's the rarest thing you've seen at Yankee Stadium?"My answer would be a Clint Frazier HR.
My favorite answer I've seen: "I saw Carl Pavano pitch"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2023, 03:58:12 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 24, 2023, 02:06:39 PM
3/26
14 Strikeouts
3Hr
-1 FWAR
Post by: Badger on May 24, 2023, 02:47:31 PM
Aaron Judge since his big week in Toronto:cringepost, he blasted a game tying HR last night.
3/26
14 Strikeouts
3Hr
-1 FWAR
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 24, 2023, 09:28:34 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 24, 2023, 11:30:59 PM
Aaron Judge since his big week in Toronto:
3/26
14 Strikeouts
3Hr
-1 FWAR
Lmao this isn’t even close to accurate either, you fell for some fake news blue jays propaganda
Sad!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 24, 2023, 11:39:05 PM
There is 1 guy in the entire league with a -1 WAR or lower and it took him 47 games of batting .221/.281/.261 with 0 HRs and bad defense to compile that number
Post by: Badger on May 25, 2023, 06:09:53 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 25, 2023, 06:26:00 AM
Lmao this isn’t even close to accurate either, you fell for some fake news blue jays propaganda(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230525/7fa2bc126952932bfc6d53df443a94d4.jpg)
Sad!
Post by: Badger on May 25, 2023, 03:30:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 26, 2023, 10:18:00 AM
Good job Boonie
https://twitter.com/jared_carrabis/status/1661885022280859648?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 26, 2023, 11:04:29 AM
https://twitter.com/codifybaseball/status/1662106126522130432?s=42&t=oQHlTr9_OCVIYXOt5gHlYQ
Good job Boonie
https://twitter.com/jared_carrabis/status/1661885022280859648?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Officiating is awful this year, and every year. Boone is gonna have an event one of these days.
It's time for a robo strike zone. Way past time. I was a big fan of framing as a kid (and I was a catcher who did it a lot myself), but it's out of control. These umps are supposed to be professionals and they are way off on the most critical part of the job.
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2023, 05:13:26 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 30, 2023, 11:50:50 AM
I want two of those guys back ASAP. The third can stay away forever.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2023, 02:22:02 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 30, 2023, 08:17:29 PM
Bader back out
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2023, 11:48:33 AM
Porn alert
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2023, 01:02:19 PM
https://twitter.com/sis_baseball/status/1663596595005235201?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Porn alert
I'm sorry, I don't believe those numbers. Feels like Betts and Keirmaier and Pillar and probably plenty of others have made their careers making acrobatic catches at the wall every other week, it seems impossible that the most HR denying catches any active player has is 12.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2023, 03:36:46 PM
I'm sorry, I don't believe those numbers. Feels like Betts and Keirmaier and Pillar and probably plenty of others have made their careers making acrobatic catches at the wall every other week, it seems impossible that the most HR denying catches any active player has is 12.
Surely you can produce many, many clips of Keirmaier/Pillar robbing HRs, 10+ each at least
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2023, 03:38:16 PM
Surely you can produce many, many clips of Keirmaier/Pillar robbing HRs, 10+ each at leastI have no idea if I can or not. I'm very sure I'm not going to.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2023, 03:42:51 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2023, 03:57:39 PM
Carlos Gomez 13
Torii Hunter 12
Adam Jones 11
Mike Trout 11
Ichiro Suzuki 10
So again, unless your boys put up 10+ in the last few years, they’re not ahead of Trout/Mookie/Judge.
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2023, 06:33:08 PM
I’m sure the 1 baseball game you watch a week is a more reliable data source than, checks notes, Baseball Info Solutions, a long-standing analytics company responsible for inventing the well known metric Defensive Runs Saved
Imagine thinking I watch one game a week.
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2023, 06:53:54 PM
I’m sure the 1 baseball game you watch a week is a more reliable data source than, checks notes, Baseball Info Solutions, a long-standing analytics company responsible for inventing the well known metric Defensive Runs SavedNerd
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2023, 07:10:27 PM
Nerd
Hey, stats companies are infallible as anyone who watches football and is aware of PFF will attest.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2023, 08:49:08 PM
Hey, stats companies are infallible as anyone who watches football and is aware of PFF will attest.
If the list above doesn’t pass your eye test then you don’t know ball, sadly
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2023, 08:49:18 PM
Nerd
Yes
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2023, 08:51:59 PM
If the list above doesn’t pass your eye test then you don’t know ball, sadly
SFD bringing out the big guns here. It's well established, I think, that I know ball like you know soccer.
I refer you back to my original post. Based on my extensively having Sports Centre on in the background some days of the week I'm pretty sure I'm right.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 07, 2023, 01:18:37 PM
Because of course we're going to the game Sunday night for my kid's birthday present.
Post by: MBGreen on June 07, 2023, 01:47:29 PM
Judge on the IL.
Because of course we're going to the game Sunday night for my kid's birthday present.
maybe Josh Donaldson will suit up for your kid.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 07, 2023, 02:33:01 PM
maybe Josh Donaldson will suit up for your kid.
He made a spectacular play last night. I turned to my kid and said "I still can't stand him."
He then hit a late homer. I turned to my kid and said "I still can't stand him."
Post by: MBGreen on June 07, 2023, 04:13:19 PM
He made a spectacular play last night. I turned to my kid and said "I still can't stand him."
He then hit a late homer. I turned to my kid and said "I still can't stand him."
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 08, 2023, 03:53:41 PM
Post by: delavan on June 10, 2023, 12:32:10 AM
https://youtu.be/dpeA5LhBHvk
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 13, 2023, 09:33:28 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 14, 2023, 09:23:49 AM
Boonie Bullpen Masterclass
As opposed to Sunday when he had Wandy pitch to one batter, then in the following inning brought in King to face a lefty leading off.
I was at the game, so I'm still pretty sour they lost. Though it wasn't the pitching's fault.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 28, 2023, 01:14:02 PM
Post by: Badger on June 28, 2023, 01:39:19 PM
This Judge-less lineup couldn't hit water if they fell out of a freaking boat.So glad I did not stay up for the end of last night's game.
Post by: delavan on June 28, 2023, 02:46:00 PM
This Judge-less lineup couldn't hit water if they fell out of a freaking boat.(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Gdr_river_patrol_boat.jpg/320px-Gdr_river_patrol_boat.jpg)
Runs scored over the last 9 games:
2,1,3,4,2,2,1,5,1
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 28, 2023, 10:38:42 PM
So glad I did not stay up for the end of last night's game.
I haven't watched more than a few minutes since the Sunday night Boston game at the Stadium. I have the score pinned on my phone home screen and it keeps telling me "Don't bother." (7-0 Yanks as I post this but I'm still not bothering.)
Tired of hearing guys need to step up in Judge's absence. They didn't step up when he was playing either. Maybe these guys are just washed up or didn't have the talent in the first place?
And still, Brian Cashman will be the GM a year from now.
Post by: delavan on June 28, 2023, 11:00:54 PM
I haven't watched more than a few minutes since the Sunday night Boston game at the Stadium. I have the score pinned on my phone home screen and it keeps telling me "Don't bother."
(7-0 Yanks as I post this but I'm still not bothering.)
Alio, if you read this in the next 5 minutes, turn it on:
GERMAN'S CARRYING A PERFECT GAME INTO THE NINTH.....THUS FAR 24 UP, 24 DOWN
Post by: Badger on June 28, 2023, 11:11:45 PM
Post by: Badger on June 28, 2023, 11:11:57 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 28, 2023, 11:20:14 PM
Alio, if you read this in the next 5 minutes, turn it on:
GERMAN'S CARRYING A PERFECT GAME INTO THE NINTH.....THUS FAR 24 UP, 24 DOWN
Hahaha, my kid walked over to me and said "You know...if you're interested, German is perfect through 8..." so I turned it on.
Good job. I still wish he wasn't on this team and I really dislike that he's one of only 4 Yankees to ever do it. But it's still pretty cool to see.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 28, 2023, 11:31:55 PM
Post by: delavan on June 28, 2023, 11:38:32 PM
https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/1674269892718088192
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 28, 2023, 11:39:27 PM
Me:
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/KDVswimTNahWzcd7sV/giphy.gif)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 28, 2023, 11:44:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/1674269892718088192
Why does this sound like a home crowd
Post by: MBGreen on June 29, 2023, 07:44:12 AM
Winner
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2023, 08:25:18 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2023, 08:35:16 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 29, 2023, 01:00:34 PM
Why does this sound like a home crowd
I was saying last night "Even the 8 Oakland fans in attendance are standing and cheering."
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 29, 2023, 01:05:11 PM
https://twitter.com/mlbonfox/status/1674286827635904512?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Wow, the only one that looked like a "perfection-saving" one was the dive by Rizzo. Almost every out looked basically routine.
Post by: Badger on June 29, 2023, 09:58:05 PM
The Yankees are 45-36 (.556) at the halfway point of the season. That’s a 90-win pace.
Tomorrow night, the second half begins.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 29, 2023, 10:47:28 PM
Halfway Point Alert
The Yankees are 45-36 (.556) at the halfway point of the season. That’s a 90-win pace.
Tomorrow night, the second half begins.
Hard to beleive we're halfway through already.
They've roped me back in. Good game today. Just gotta float till the big man returns.
Getting Nestor and Rodon back will be nice. Trading for Bieber is a nice-to-have but seems like overkill and neglect of needs elsewhere. They beat up on Oakland but that doesn't inspire confidence in an offensive resurgence.
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2023, 08:49:16 PM
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2023, 04:45:42 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 10, 2023, 11:38:10 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 10, 2023, 05:37:01 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 11, 2023, 12:55:47 PM
I just read that getting Casey has been in the works since January, and it's only because his girlfriend needed treatments that he didn't want to take the job.
It'll be interesting to see if he can awaken the bats. There shouldn't need to be any more chicken parm dinners, but there are way too many great hitters in this lineup to be performing this poorly.
Post by: MBGreen on July 11, 2023, 01:25:15 PM
My initial reaction to the Lawson firing was that he made for a cute scapegoat. Now though, apparently all the analytics people in the building loved him and everyone else tuned him out--which would include players.
I just read that getting Casey has been in the works since January, and it's only because his girlfriend needed treatments that he didn't want to take the job.
It'll be interesting to see if he can awaken the bats. There shouldn't need to be any more chicken parm dinners, but there are way too many great hitters in this lineup to be performing this poorly.
I read that Sean Casey has...*checks notes*....zero experience in any coaching capacity.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 11, 2023, 09:32:14 PM
I can't believe the Yankees fired their hitting coach before we fired ours. At least you guys have an excuse with Judge being on the IL, our lineup is healthy and we still can't hit.It is because Cashman didn't address the outfield in the offseason and a lot of the older players aren't playing to their capabilities. Maybrthey're washed. Who knows.
It can't hurt. Offense is bad but shouldn't be THIS bad.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 11, 2023, 10:33:18 PM
It is because Cashman didn't address the outfield in the offseason and a lot of the older players aren't playing to their capabilities. Maybrthey're washed. Who knows.
It can't hurt. Offense is bad but shouldn't be THIS bad.
Going into the year I really thought you were overstating the outfield situation. Sadly, you turned out correct.
But part of the problem has to have been Lawson. Like you said, it shouldn't be this bad. Volpe shouldn't have needed dinner with a friend to fix his stance. Aaron Hicks shouldn't have become 5 years younger just by leaving the Bronx. I can't see how Stanton, Rizzo, and Donaldson all fell off the same cliff together.
Maybe Casey doesn't help at all. But it almost literally can't be any worse.
Post by: Badger on July 12, 2023, 12:07:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/1679133825710817280?t=y1u1PtU_1AHeTLrWcbcDqw&s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 12, 2023, 06:24:34 PM
Cashman bad
Post by: Johnny English on July 12, 2023, 08:24:04 PM
https://twitter.com/jaycuda/status/1679265254524452866?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Cashman bad
That's a really crap argument for a GM though because there are so many variables. Is it because of good drafting? Solid minor league development? excrement professional roster? Poor medical staff? In sports like baseball and hockey where there's such a long lead time between drafting a player and them getting a sniff of the pro roster (other than in the case of absolute phenoms) it's very hard to use a stat like that to prove that the GM is doing a good job.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 12, 2023, 08:29:53 PM
That's a really crap argument for a GM though because there are so many variables. Is it because of good drafting? Solid minor league development? excrement professional roster? Poor medical staff? In sports like baseball and hockey where there's such a long lead time between drafting a player and them getting a sniff of the pro roster (other than in the case of absolute phenoms) it's very hard to use a stat like that to prove that the GM is doing a good job.
Astros Dodgers and Yankees being the top teams tell you all you need to know. Probably the result of a good farm system more than anything, but you still have to find the players to thrive in that system.
Also the stat is for if they cracked the MLB for any team. A lot of these guys that the Yankees traded for veterans or didn’t have room for are doing well elsewhere with a better opportunity.
Post by: Johnny English on July 12, 2023, 08:38:28 PM
Astros Dodgers and Yankees being the top teams tell you all you need to know. Probably the result of a good farm system more than anything, but you still have to find the players to thrive in that system.
Of course, but you were using it as an argument for Cashman. For sure he plays his role, but my point is that there's a lot more goes into a successful pipeline from draft to pro than just the GM.
GMs should be judged on rings and nothing else, IMO. If you win a ring no one gives a freak where the players came from. Cashman has 4 rings, the last in 2009 which was 10 years after he took over. In the 14 years since you haven't been back to the World Series, and given the average time for a draftee making it to MLB is 4-6 years there's a statistical argument that he benefited from the system he inherited and has been making it worse ever since. (I know nothing about the farm system he inherited so I'm not making that argument, just that the stats don't support any argument that he's doing a great job with it.)
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 12, 2023, 10:17:22 PM
Astros Dodgers and Yankees being the top teams tell you all you need to know. Probably the result of a good farm system more than anything, but you still have to find the players to thrive in that system.
Also the stat is for if they cracked the MLB for any team. A lot of these guys that the Yankees traded for veterans or didn’t have room for are doing well elsewhere with a better opportunity.
How many of the guys we traded that then made their new pro teams stink?
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 12, 2023, 10:32:46 PM
Of course, but you were using it as an argument for Cashman. For sure he plays his role, but my point is that there's a lot more goes into a successful pipeline from draft to pro than just the GM.
GMs should be judged on rings and nothing else, IMO. If you win a ring no one gives a freak where the players came from. Cashman has 4 rings, the last in 2009 which was 10 years after he took over. In the 14 years since you haven't been back to the World Series, and given the average time for a draftee making it to MLB is 4-6 years there's a statistical argument that he benefited from the system he inherited and has been making it worse ever since. (I know nothing about the farm system he inherited so I'm not making that argument, just that the stats don't support any argument that he's doing a great job with it.)
This.
Brian Cashman is presiding over the longest World Series drought--not just appearances but wins--in all of Yankees' history since before Babe Ruth wore the pinstripes.
All despite having top-5, and usually top-1, payrolls. He could set piles of cash on fire and get the same results.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 13, 2023, 05:18:58 AM
This.
Brian Cashman is presiding over the longest World Series drought--not just appearances but wins--in all of Yankees' history since before Babe Ruth wore the pinstripes.
All despite having top-5, and usually top-1, payrolls. He could set piles of cash on fire and get the same results.
Maybe if we can get that top top 1 payroll then we can finally sniff a WS
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 13, 2023, 05:19:29 AM
How many of the guys we traded that then made their new pro teams stink?
Less than the guys that were drafted by other teams on that list?
Post by: Badger on July 13, 2023, 05:36:37 AM
Brian Cashman is presiding over the longest World Series drought--not just appearances but wins--in all of Yankees' history since before Babe Ruth wore the pinstripes.
This doesn't feel right. Wasn't the drought before 1996 longer?
Post by: MBGreen on July 13, 2023, 07:05:49 AM
This doesn't feel right. Wasn't the drought before 1996 longer?
Probably didn't feel like a drought before 1996....you had George Costanza.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 13, 2023, 08:00:22 AM
Maybe if we can get that top top 1 payroll then we can finally sniff a WS
Cashman spends money. Great. He spends it poorly. Outspending everyone guarantees nothing. He consistently builds rosters that collapse in October. I thought this was a point we agreed on.
This doesn't feel right. Wasn't the drought before 1996 longer?
My bad, was going off an article I read. They won in '78 before '96, so 18 years between wins. Then 15 years between losing in '81 and winning in '96.
Post by: Badger on July 13, 2023, 08:19:06 AM
Probably didn't feel like a drought before 1996....you had George Costanza.I was a child completely ignorant of the sports world outside of Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky. So you're right that I didn't really experience a drought.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 13, 2023, 01:18:47 PM
I was a child completely ignorant of the sports world outside of Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky. So you're right that I didn't really experience a drought.
It was a rough time. I remember going to games, getting upper-deck tickets, and winding up in box seats by the end of the game.
The only times we attended games with more than ~20k people were days they retired a number or cap day. Always has driven me crazy the whole "Real Yankees fans don't do the wave" BS. That was the only entertaining part of games in the '80s.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 13, 2023, 10:07:51 PM
You never know who the buck stops with on the Yankees, so maybe that's more on Hal than Cashman, but that was a poor decision then. Especially considering that the other 2.5 outfielders (Judge, Bader, Stanton) all had injury histories, particularly Bader and Stanton.
That was my biggest gripe with the team entering the season, and it's remained the case.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 13, 2023, 10:15:29 PM
Of course, but you were using it as an argument for Cashman. For sure he plays his role, but my point is that there's a lot more goes into a successful pipeline from draft to pro than just the GM.Cash has done a good job drafting and making sure the Yankees have a good farm system since taking over.
GMs should be judged on rings and nothing else, IMO. If you win a ring no one gives a freak where the players came from. Cashman has 4 rings, the last in 2009 which was 10 years after he took over. In the 14 years since you haven't been back to the World Series, and given the average time for a draftee making it to MLB is 4-6 years there's a statistical argument that he benefited from the system he inherited and has been making it worse ever since. (I know nothing about the farm system he inherited so I'm not making that argument, just that the stats don't support any argument that he's doing a great job with it.)
The issue is that outside of Judge, most big-time Yankees prospects don't really improve once they get to the majors. Every Yankees prospect seems to plateau right when they get to the majors.
I trust Cashman to put the Yankees in a position where they can be a playoff team virtually every year and maintain a farm system to keep us in that position. That seems to be the goal at this point - be a good team every year and hope things break right in the playoffs. Maybe that will lead to a World Series title, but it hasn't yet. Most of the trades Cashman has made recently to try to put the team over the top have been utter failures.
Post by: Badger on July 14, 2023, 05:11:11 AM
I've been a long-time Cashman defender, but it was painfully obvious in March that this team needed more than Aaron Hicks and Oswaldo in leftfield.Not to defend Cashman but did anyone predict the severity of Cabrera's sophomore slump? If he was putting up last year's numbers he'd be serviceable.
You never know who the buck stops with on the Yankees, so maybe that's more on Hal than Cashman, but that was a poor decision then. Especially considering that the other 2.5 outfielders (Judge, Bader, Stanton) all had injury histories, particularly Bader and Stanton.
That was my biggest gripe with the team entering the season, and it's remained the case.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 14, 2023, 11:13:20 AM
Cash has done a good job drafting and making sure the Yankees have a good farm system since taking over.
The issue is that outside of Judge, most big-time Yankees prospects don't really improve once they get to the majors. Every Yankees prospect seems to plateau right when they get to the majors.
I trust Cashman to put the Yankees in a position where they can be a playoff team virtually every year and maintain a farm system to keep us in that position. That seems to be the goal at this point - be a good team every year and hope things break right in the playoffs. Maybe that will lead to a World Series title, but it hasn't yet. Most of the trades Cashman has made recently to try to put the team over the top have been utter failures.
And this is why I've always disliked Cashman. Yes, I believe Hal tries to hold back some salary, but Cashman is no different today than he was when George was alive. He's always trying to be the smartest guy in the room, looking for a diamond in the rough or when things don't work out buying an Ellsbury, Stanton, Bader, and any of a long line of oft-injured and/or underperformers.
I wholly disagree that he's built a good farm system. As you pointed out, other than Judge guys at best plateau as AAAA players. Florial was supposed to be a 5 tool superstar. Sheffield was supposed to be an ace.
This is a question I stopped asking a few years ago, but I'll bring it back. If not for the Yankees' money, would Cashman have any success at all as an MLB GM?
Post by: delavan on July 14, 2023, 09:35:50 PM
https://twitter.com/jaycuda/status/1679265254524452866?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkgWhatever anybody thinks of this list it’s at least nice to see the Mets last with the only single-digit percentage. Speaking off last, should tonight’s scores hold up the Yanks will be tied with the shitsox in last place.
Cashman bad
Bottom 7th: Rockies up 6-2
Top 9th: Boston up 8-3
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 15, 2023, 07:28:49 AM
And this is why I've always disliked Cashman. Yes, I believe Hal tries to hold back some salary, but Cashman is no different today than he was when George was alive. He's always trying to be the smartest guy in the room, looking for a diamond in the rough or when things don't work out buying an Ellsbury, Stanton, Bader, and any of a long line of oft-injured and/or underperformers.
I wholly disagree that he's built a good farm system. As you pointed out, other than Judge guys at best plateau as AAAA players. Florial was supposed to be a 5 tool superstar. Sheffield was supposed to be an ace.
This is a question I stopped asking a few years ago, but I'll bring it back. If not for the Yankees' money, would Cashman have any success at all as an MLB GM?
You never read the scouting reports on either of those guys did you. Stop listening to Yankees fans overrate their prospects
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 15, 2023, 07:32:01 AM
2021: 30.9% in 362 PA
2022: 30.4% in 461 PA
2023: 29.8% in 242 PA
He’s always been like this and it’s always been in the scouting report that if he fails this is why. He’s crushing this year and still hasn’t been called up
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 15, 2023, 07:33:22 AM
Post by: delavan on July 16, 2023, 05:57:51 PM
Post by: Badger on July 16, 2023, 06:27:08 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 16, 2023, 07:03:57 PM
FYI...Grichuk stinks
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 17, 2023, 11:28:42 AM
Justus Sheffield throws 92mph
I honestly don't like arguing with you, so I want you to know I'm not trolling you here when I ask this, but what do you think Cashman has done with the job in the last 20+ years that either Stick Michael didn't do for him or that throwing money at the problem didn't band-aid to avoid an ER trip?
I give him all the credit for 2009. That was his roster, and though it took 3 high-priced FAs to get there, plus the core-4, he still gets credit for the title the roster he built won.
But if we exclude 2009, and Aaron Judge, what is the next "great thing" he's done "on his own"? Yes, the team is competitive every year and is always in the playoffs. But when you have a top-5 salary, it would be completely inexcusable to miss the playoffs. I am pretty certain we at least agreed before that while he spends a lot of money, he hasn't spent it well.
To your point about Florial and Sheffield, okay. They didn't have the pedigrees. So while that negates the point I was making, it brings up a different one that is just as bad. Other than Judge, those are the two names (after Dominguez and El Gary, maybe Volpe) that have probably been the most highly touted in the system. He has almost no success with prospects. Whether that's bad picks or bad organizational training along the way, it's all under the direction of the General Manager.
Again, no trolling at all here. I make no effort to hide my disdain for him, but I don't expect others to despise him as much as I do. I just want to know what he's done that you seemingly don't even dislike him. Please correct me if I'm wrong and misunderstanding you. I just feel like if there were WAR for GMs, his would be 0. I'm sure we could do worse, but I certainly believe we could do a lot better as well.
Post by: delavan on July 17, 2023, 02:00:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw3UCgTRnig
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 17, 2023, 03:31:56 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 17, 2023, 08:10:15 PM
2 weeks until the trade deadline. Tough decisions for Cashman. You don't want to waste a prime year of Cole and Judge (if healthy), but it's also in last place in the AL East. I think it's probably less than 50/50 we make the playoffs at this point. If you get in, you always have a chance, especially if Rodon pitches like the guy we are paying for, but I don't think they should be trading anything of value for rentals.
The only guy I would trade for right now is Ohtani. Everyone else is a waste of resources. At least Ohtani both helps try to push for the playoffs, and both sides get a couple of months to evaluate if it's worth a long-term marriage.
Post by: delavan on July 17, 2023, 10:26:41 PM
1. Peraza .188
2. Stanton .204
3. Gleyber .265
4. Rizzo .252. (.191, 0 HRs 41 games ’cleanup’)
5. Bader .247
6. Volpe. .206
7. I.K.F. .254
8. Cabrera .209
9. Trevino .212
Top of the 6th: O Runs, 6 hits, 12 K’s
edit: Cabrera 2 run double, bottom 5th, Yanks 2-0
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 17, 2023, 10:48:37 PM
Same nonsense from the lineup. Especially the guys getting a lot of cash. Stanton and Rizzo look absolutely lost.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 18, 2023, 10:24:53 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 20, 2023, 07:56:27 AM
https://twitter.com/antwanstaley/status/1682011023362998272?s=20
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 20, 2023, 09:19:23 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 20, 2023, 09:35:17 AM
Nothing is going to change with this team until people stop filling the stands and turning on YES.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 20, 2023, 12:57:06 PM
Today is the two month anniversary of Anthony Rizzo's last home run. Since then, he has the fourth worst wRC+ out of all qualified hitters. Here's who's been worse:
Tim Anderson
DJ LeMahieu (yikes)
Esteury Ruiz
Anthony Volpe has the 9th worst wRC+ during this time, too.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 20, 2023, 12:59:12 PM
Gonna be hilarious when this team unloads (and eats) a bunch of salary in a few weeks to get under the current luxtax tier. Then they'll have the excuse that they no longer have the talent and are building for the future again. And Cashman will continue to be the forever GM.
Nothing is going to change with this team until people stop filling the stands and turning on YES.
So if you were the GM you would run this squad back? Or empty the farm to bolster a tremendously shitty team?
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 20, 2023, 01:40:39 PM
Post by: delavan on July 20, 2023, 02:57:28 PM
https://twitter.com/chriskirschner/status/1682067737210748935?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkgRizzo: still affected post-Tatis collision?….Rizzo/Padres repeating itself:
Today is the two month anniversary of Anthony Rizzo's last home run. Since then, he has the fourth worst wRC+ out of all qualified hitters. Here's who's been worse:
Tim Anderson
DJ LeMahieu (yikes)
Esteury Ruiz
Anthony Volpe has the 9th worst wRC+ during this time, too.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/cubs/2017/06/20/anthony-rizzo-collision-austin-hedges-angers-padres/411598001/
Tim Anderson and Josh Donaldson: bad 2023 juju those two
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 20, 2023, 05:56:15 PM
They should really look at trading Gleyber, Holmes, Severino, Bader, IKF, Wandy, etc. Any expiring deals or relievers can go. Same with Gleyber, who only has 1 year left after this and probably isn't getting resigned.
I hate the idea of trading Gleyber. He should be a long-time Yankee. He's one of the few guys who has traditional cold streaks, but long hot streaks. Along with Judge. And he's still young.
They had better hope if they move him that they're absolutely right on Volpe and Peraza because we've been over the whole Yankees system players who flash and flail enough already. The rest of your list can go.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 21, 2023, 07:27:57 AM
Now take the guy who brought him here with him.
Post by: Badger on July 21, 2023, 10:11:00 AM
Donaldson transferred to the 60 day IL. So at least that era is finally over.https://twitter.com/RiverAveBlues/status/1682401240821407746
Now take the guy who brought him here with him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 21, 2023, 11:49:15 AM
I hate the idea of trading Gleyber. He should be a long-time Yankee. He's one of the few guys who has traditional cold streaks, but long hot streaks. Along with Judge. And he's still young.Isn't Gleyber one of the poster boys for that? He looked like a future superstar his first 2 seasons. Since 2020, his best OPS is .761. He's a nice player, and he's one of the better hitters the Yankees have. He's a free agent after 2024 and is still only 26, so he's one of the better trade bait pieces we have. His value will never be higher, since next year, his contract will be $10M+, and there aren't that many sellers.
They had better hope if they move him that they're absolutely right on Volpe and Peraza because we've been over the whole Yankees system players who flash and flail enough already. The rest of your list can go.
You are right it depends on Volpe/Peraza. The way they've handled Peraza makes it seem like they don't love him, which makes a trade a little less likely.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 21, 2023, 12:39:28 PM
https://twitter.com/RiverAveBlues/status/1682401240821407746
This makes me equal parts angry and...angrier
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 21, 2023, 12:59:29 PM
Isn't Gleyber one of the poster boys for that? He looked like a future superstar his first 2 seasons. Since 2020, his best OPS is .761. He's a nice player, and he's one of the better hitters the Yankees have. He's a free agent after 2024 and is still only 26, so he's one of the better trade bait pieces we have. His value will never be higher, since next year, his contract will be $10M+, and there aren't that many sellers.
You are right it depends on Volpe/Peraza. The way they've handled Peraza makes it seem like they don't love him, which makes a trade a little less likely.
We don't need a bunch of power hitters in the lineup. Gleyber is an ideal 5th hitter in a traditional lineup. The problem with this damn team, going back the entirety of Cashman's tenure post 2000 has focused on loading up with power hitters. Get me a guy who gets on base a lot to lead off. I don't care if he never hits one over the fence. Get a 2-hitter who makes contact. Plug Judge in 3rd. Whoever is the DH should be the every day cleanup hitter--no more of this nonsense 6-hole DH. Your cleanup guy hits homers. Your 5 guy should be someone who hits overall well--like a Gleyber. Then fill the rest of the lineup with guys who get on base and a great defensive catcher to hit 9th.
Give me a lineup like:
Volpe SS
Peraza 3B
Judge RF
Stanton DH
Gleyber 2B
Rizzo 1B
Bader CF
?? LF
Trevino C
If you can dump Stanton, great. I would move Rizzo into 3, and Judge cleanup. I'd consider Rizzo as a DH and put DJ at first if he's still here.
If they can pull off a trade for Soto, it changes the whole thing. If they get Ohtani, he just takes Stanton's spot.
I don't think this team is that far off. It's a lot more that Donaldson, Stanton, and Rizzo have done nothing in Judge's absence. But one of those problems is solved, and I think Rizzo is still suffering concussion leftovers. But if all 3 are gone (and DJ too) and replaced with younger players, I'm cool with that as well.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 21, 2023, 01:41:10 PM
We don't need a bunch of power hitters in the lineup. Gleyber is an ideal 5th hitter in a traditional lineup. The problem with this damn team, going back the entirety of Cashman's tenure post 2000 has focused on loading up with power hitters. Get me a guy who gets on base a lot to lead off. I don't care if he never hits one over the fence. Get a 2-hitter who makes contact. Plug Judge in 3rd. Whoever is the DH should be the every day cleanup hitter--no more of this nonsense 6-hole DH. Your cleanup guy hits homers. Your 5 guy should be someone who hits overall well--like a Gleyber. Then fill the rest of the lineup with guys who get on base and a great defensive catcher to hit 9th.They need good hitters. Whether they are power hitters or average hitters doesn't really matter that much to me. My main issue has been not getting any lefty power.
Give me a lineup like:
Volpe SS
Peraza 3B
Judge RF
Stanton DH
Gleyber 2B
Rizzo 1B
Bader CF
?? LF
Trevino C
If you can dump Stanton, great. I would move Rizzo into 3, and Judge cleanup. I'd consider Rizzo as a DH and put DJ at first if he's still here.
If they can pull off a trade for Soto, it changes the whole thing. If they get Ohtani, he just takes Stanton's spot.
I don't think this team is that far off. It's a lot more that Donaldson, Stanton, and Rizzo have done nothing in Judge's absence. But one of those problems is solved, and I think Rizzo is still suffering concussion leftovers. But if all 3 are gone (and DJ too) and replaced with younger players, I'm cool with that as well.
That lineup you posted is not good unless a lot of guys turn it around quickly. Judge is amazing. Gleyber at 110 OPS+ is the only other guy in the lineup above 101 (110).
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 21, 2023, 07:58:25 PM
They need good hitters. Whether they are power hitters or average hitters doesn't really matter that much to me. My main issue has been not getting any lefty power.
That lineup you posted is not good unless a lot of guys turn it around quickly. Judge is amazing. Gleyber at 110 OPS+ is the only other guy in the lineup above 101 (110).
Rizzo and Stanton are the only two in that lineup that I feel need to turn it around. And Rizzo I think is a product of post-concussive syndrome. Bader is fine who he is. Volpe and Peraza can be quality hitters without a high OPS. Neither needs SLG to be great top-of-lineup contributors. Trevino I need to be a good defensive catcher. Any offensive production is a bonus.
I agree on left-handed hitting. This has been a right-handed-heavy lineup for too long. Lefty power would be nice, considering the short porch. Again, adding Soto or Ohtani (or Christmas in July--both) would go a long way to turning around this lineup.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 21, 2023, 08:28:27 PM
Trevino has a wrist tear. 10-day IL, but that sounds like a "see ya later" kind of injury. Especially for a catcher.
This team can't catch a break.
Post by: delavan on July 22, 2023, 03:12:56 PM
#babysteps
Post by: Badger on July 22, 2023, 03:15:08 PM
Yanks vacate last placeWe're going streaking!
#babysteps
Post by: delavan on July 22, 2023, 03:59:20 PM
We're going streaking!Roll call!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Nude_man_playing_baseball%2C_batting_%28rbm-QP301M8-1887-274a~7%29.jpg/183px-Nude_man_playing_baseball%2C_batting_%28rbm-QP301M8-1887-274a~7%29.jpg)
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 23, 2023, 02:40:08 PM
Post by: delavan on July 23, 2023, 03:10:41 PM
5-3.....Royals screw up a funky pool cue hit....7-3.
edit: sac fly 8-3
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 24, 2023, 11:16:40 AM
Just hope Gleyber is OK...
Reports out of the clubhouse after the game were positive, so hopefully, with today's off-day, he'll be fine to play this week.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 24, 2023, 11:30:41 AM
Can't hurt.
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2023, 01:56:24 PM
Andy Pettite was hired as an advisor to Boone and to assist the pitching staff.
Can't hurt.
i hate that queynte
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 24, 2023, 03:20:18 PM
i hate that queynte
Lol
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 25, 2023, 07:38:32 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2023, 10:24:31 PM
Can we DFA German already?
Fitting you would DFA the 24th perfect game thrower, the 9th winningest manager of all time, and the most successful postseason GM ever.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2023, 10:25:27 PM
MY COLUMN:
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2023, 12:15:56 AM
Fitting you would DFA the 24th perfect game thrower, the 9th winningest manager of all time, and the most successful postseason GM ever.
German can GTFO. Since the day he put his hands on a woman, he could throw 8 straight perfect games and I'd still like to see him never pitch again. Also, he sucks. And he may never pitch for this team again.
IDK what you're talking about with Boone. Did I say something one time about being fed up with some of his "everything's fine" nonsense? I've been one of the biggest Boone defenders on the planet his entire tenure as manager.
Cashman can take a hike. All titles except '09 belong to Gene Michael. And if not for the remnants of that team, '09 wouldn't have happened either. I've said it repeatedly, if you have a top-5 payroll it would be completely inexcusable to miss the playoffs. They make it every year on inflated salaries and year after year they get sent home before playing an October game in an NL park. What has he done that anyone else in the same position couldn't? Judge is his single "this one's all me" draftee that became a true and consistent star. He's been GM for 25 years.
*Edited to remove unnecessary snark
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 27, 2023, 02:40:52 AM
Boone is a very likable guy, but outside of that, he's shown nothing to prove he should be managing the Yankees.
I've never called for Cashman's job, and I've always defended him, but I'm starting to get to the point where I'd be fine if they got rid of him and got a new voice.
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2023, 07:33:13 AM
Cheer up...Judge will be activated off the IL relatively soon. That's 90% of your offense.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2023, 08:43:15 AM
German is an average pitcher and has been for a while. I don't like rooting for him, but until there's a better option, there's no reason to DFA him.
Boone is a very likable guy, but outside of that, he's shown nothing to prove he should be managing the Yankees.
I've never called for Cashman's job, and I've always defended him, but I'm starting to get to the point where I'd be fine if they got rid of him and got a new voice.
I'd rather a bullpen day than watch German. I've always believed there are some things you can't come back from. Putting your hands on a woman or child is one of them. He could cure cancer and I'd still hate him.
Boone is doing exactly what he was hired for. Following a book, being a player's coach, and handling the media. He gets a lot of crap for his in-game decisions but those are largely made by some nerds in a room somewhere. Boone's likable, and that's really his sole job here, so he's excellent at his job.
My thing with Cashman, and I've asked this so many times now, is what has he done that someone else couldn't with the same resources? So many "big names" have come through the system--Hughes & Joba--The Killer Bs--El Kraken, and the only one that's proven true is Judge. In 25 years. His longest-tenured draftee was Brett Gardner.
Anybody can outspend everyone else as Yankees GM. That's what he's done for two and half decades. But when you buy Pavanos, and Ellsburys, and Stantons what have you actually done?
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2023, 08:46:15 AM
so much despair in here.
Cheer up...Judge will be activated off the IL relatively soon. That's 90% of your offense.
Lol, do you still hulk out when you hear the name Gibbons?
Seriously though, I don't think anyone's despairing. I'm irritated, but not nearly as upset as I've been in the past. This year stinks without Judge, but it is what it is. Usually, the Yankees are what help me forget about the Jets. This year, it's the opposite.
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2023, 09:16:17 AM
Usually, the Yankees are what help me forget about the Jets. This year, it's the opposite.
Same. Hell I'd have no reservations about supporting the Mets as a backup team for the rest of the season, if only they weren't floundering.
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2023, 09:19:42 AM
Lol, do you still hulk out when you hear the name Gibbons?
Seriously though, I don't think anyone's despairing. I'm irritated, but not nearly as upset as I've been in the past. This year stinks without Judge, but it is what it is. Usually, the Yankees are what help me forget about the Jets. This year, it's the opposite.
Gibbons sounds like a fun person to have a beer with, i just don't want him managing my ball team.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2023, 09:40:12 AM
If we can get him back on track (.593 lifetime winning percentage, 9th highest all time), that gets us to around 90 wins and a wildcard spot.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2023, 10:39:16 AM
Same. Hell I'd have no reservations about supporting the Mets as a backup team for the rest of the season, if only they weren't floundering.
Honestly, now that the Angels pushed all their chips to the middle, I'm sorta rooting for them. I don't want Ohtani to win there because it increases the chances he stays there, but Trout's a guy I want to see win a ring before his career ends and I don't think he's ever leaving Anaheim.
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2023, 11:15:43 AM
Honestly, now that the Angels pushed all their chips to the middle, I'm sorta rooting for them. I don't want Ohtani to win there because it increases the chances he stays there, but Trout's a guy I want to see win a ring before his career ends and I don't think he's ever leaving Anaheim.Counterpoint: if he stays there then he's not going to a team I like less than the Angels.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2023, 02:16:12 PM
Counterpoint: if he stays there then he's not going to a team I like less than the Angels.
I don't like the Angels, so they're on my list of teams I don't want to win. I just love Trout.
And if he wins, and stays, that makes LAA a really attractive destination for FAs. I'd rather not have a dynasty there.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 28, 2023, 10:01:12 AM
He has an OPS+ this year of 89
Career: almost 3x as many Ks as BBs (328 vs 133)
And more Ks than hits (328 vs 314)
A perfect Cashman deadline acquisition
Post by: IATA on July 28, 2023, 11:13:37 AM
heh
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2023, 12:22:14 PM
https://www.nj.com/yankees/2023/07/hes-a-beast-yankees-prospect-has-the-swing-and-personality-built-for-the-bronx.html
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 28, 2023, 12:45:07 PM
I need to make a trip up to one of these games.
https://www.nj.com/yankees/2023/07/hes-a-beast-yankees-prospect-has-the-swing-and-personality-built-for-the-bronx.html (https://www.nj.com/yankees/2023/07/hes-a-beast-yankees-prospect-has-the-swing-and-personality-built-for-the-bronx.html)
He's definitely going to be in the Bronx at some point
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The biggest red flag is his strikeout rate. He’s struck out 107 times in 357 plate appearances this season (30 percent).
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2023, 12:53:42 PM
He's definitely going to be in the Bronx at some pointHonestly I just want a HV Renegades cap.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 28, 2023, 02:23:32 PM
Honestly I just want a HV Renegades cap.
https://www.mlbshop.com/hudson-valley-renegades/caps/t-35434811+d-5605332258+z-99-1742434576 (https://www.mlbshop.com/hudson-valley-renegades/caps/t-35434811+d-5605332258+z-99-1742434576)
https://renegades.milbstore.com/collections/all-caps (https://renegades.milbstore.com/collections/all-caps)
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2023, 02:58:52 PM
https://www.mlbshop.com/hudson-valley-renegades/caps/t-35434811+d-5605332258+z-99-1742434576 (https://www.mlbshop.com/hudson-valley-renegades/caps/t-35434811+d-5605332258+z-99-1742434576)It doesn't count if I didn't go. There are rules.
https://renegades.milbstore.com/collections/all-caps (https://renegades.milbstore.com/collections/all-caps)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2023, 09:53:18 PM
yankees cut loose willie calhoun, who has the same bwar and ops+ as stanton.
heh
Oh no, not a guy with a -0.1 BWAR
You should have used FWAR
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 29, 2023, 01:47:59 AM
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2023, 11:39:37 AM
And then we lost 1-0.
Post by: IATA on July 29, 2023, 01:16:50 PM
i think if they lose 2/3 to baltimore they are not gonna buy at the deadline, but i dont think they sell either because who is there to sell?
interesting time in yankeeland
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 29, 2023, 07:51:34 PM
Post by: IATA on July 29, 2023, 07:52:10 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 30, 2023, 06:58:52 PM
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2023, 07:57:43 PM
Looks like Severino is a bum nowOn pace for the worst Yankees pitching season of all time
https://twitter.com/TalkinYanks/status/1685816439855263745?t=1dHKm0CNbs8avEM6p7_HbA&s=19
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 31, 2023, 12:48:43 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 31, 2023, 11:23:09 AM
And do it without making Cole and Judge blow their tops. Ugh
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 31, 2023, 11:50:29 AM
Gerrit Cole throwing 6 shutty, Aaron Judge reaches base 4 times, and the Yankees lose.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 31, 2023, 01:43:14 PM
LOL, WTF does ARod know? Look at the analytics Alex!
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 31, 2023, 01:48:31 PM
https://twitter.com/gleyberdayyy/status/1683611102909808642 (https://twitter.com/gleyberdayyy/status/1683611102909808642)It seems everything ARod has preached on broadcasts since he retired has been the exact opposite of what he did as a player.
LOL, WTF does ARod know? Look at the analytics Alex!
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 31, 2023, 03:26:39 PM
It seems everything ARod has preached on broadcasts since he retired has been the exact opposite of what he did as a Yankee.
Fixed for you
His batting average was over .300 both in Seattle and Texas but not here. He also had an OPS 111 points higher in Texas, and 34 points higher in Seattle.
But the problem couldn't possibly be the Yankees' organizational philosophy. That's infallible.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 31, 2023, 03:55:35 PM
Fixed for youCome on, you can't compare ARod in his late 30's and 40's to his early prime. If you take out his final couple seasons when he was clearly declining, the numbers are very similar.
His batting average was over .300 both in Seattle and Texas but not here. He also had an OPS 111 points higher in Texas, and 34 points higher in Seattle.
But the problem couldn't possibly be the Yankees' organizational philosophy. That's infallible.
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2023, 03:56:24 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 31, 2023, 05:36:21 PM
Come on, you can't compare ARod in his late 30's and 40's to his early prime. If you take out his final couple seasons when he was clearly declining, the numbers are very similar.
Even in his early to mid-30s his batting average went south. 05 and 07 were outlier years where he had overwhelmingly good numbers, but otherwise, his average was only above .300 in one other Yankee year (2008: .302).
It's not a closely guarded secret that the Yankees devalue batting average. And while I personally prefer OBP, BA still has value.
He's wrong though. Working down does not result in more HRs. Maybe more contact but not a guarantee of higher BA.
More contact should increase batting average for most guys. Sure, some will be unlucky, but the more balls you put in play, the better shot you have that they find holes. Ks have 0% chance of being hits.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 01, 2023, 06:04:07 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 01, 2023, 06:24:54 PM
Pathetic Trade Deadline for a pathetic season
I don't understand. They didn't really buy and they didn't sell.
Not that there was a lot out there to buy to plug holes, but unless the plan is to promote from within, I don't understand what the plan is. Is Cashman hoping the last 2 months will disappear and this will be the team from April again?
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2023, 07:47:29 AM
Hilarious that a rival exec said the Yankees were "frustrating" towards the deadline because they apparently were waiting to "be bowled over for their rentals."
WTF does Cashman think Harrison IL Bader is worth? Luis 5-run-inning Severino? The only guy with any "true" value that was on the block was Wandy.
Fire the clown.
Post by: MBGreen on August 02, 2023, 07:53:07 AM
Cashman getting eviscerated. Suddenly, everyone sounds like me.
Hilarious that a rival exec said the Yankees were "frustrating" towards the deadline because they apparently were waiting to "be bowled over for their rentals."
WTF does Cashman think Harrison IL Bader is worth? Luis 5-run-inning Severino? The only guy with any "true" value that was on the block was Wandy.
Fire the clown.
I feel this. Our GM's mandate was to fix our offense at the deadline...he didn't...and we proceeded to get destroyed by Baltimore again last night. Were' 3-20 against the rest of the AL East since April.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2023, 09:33:19 AM
I feel this. Our GM's mandate was to fix our offense at the deadline...he didn't...and we proceeded to get destroyed by Baltimore again last night. Were' 3-20 against the rest of the AL East since April.
But you got a shortstop to replace Bichette!
Thank goodness for the Jets!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 02, 2023, 10:42:23 AM
Cashman getting eviscerated. Suddenly, everyone sounds like me.
Hilarious that a rival exec said the Yankees were "frustrating" towards the deadline because they apparently were waiting to "be bowled over for their rentals."
WTF does Cashman think Harrison IL Bader is worth? Luis 5-run-inning Severino? The only guy with any "true" value that was on the block was Wandy.
Fire the clown.
The worst thing you can do at the deadline is nothing. Either fix your holes to give your team a true run at the playoffs or sell to set up your team for next year.
I would have been fine selling IKF, Bader, Wandy, Sevvy (lol). All impending FAs and you can make the argument that none of those guys really move the needle on their playoff chances this year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 02, 2023, 10:45:15 AM
Cashman: "I'm sure some people out there say tear it down and sell, and other people are out there saying to add something big. There wasn't a big thing to add, to be quite honest, that was going to solve the immediate problems that we had.
"In terms of the sell stuff, there's certainly a lot of players here that are talented, that playoff teams would like to get their hands on. But in terms of trying to pry that away from us, it wasn't really worth it. It was like, I'd rather just keep it and take a shot."
There wasn’t anyone traded at the deadline that moves the needle for me for this 2023 Yankees team. They needed someone like Ohtani/Soto/Bellinger and those guys weren’t really available
We were probably getting offered low level, young prospects for the guys we had available on the block. That doesn’t help us this year, or even the next couple years.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 02, 2023, 10:48:37 AM
Doing nothing is the worst but making a bad trade would have technically been worse
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2023, 11:35:06 AM
We were probably getting offered low level, young prospects for the guys we had available on the block. That doesn’t help us this year, or even the next couple years.
I can agree with the theory but it's flawed right now.
This is a team far past its expiration date. Based on what we see right now, who of our 2024 returning players will be a significant contributor to a championship team? Now take out Judge and Cole.
Next year is a pipe dream. Maybe even 2025. We're looking at one last window for Judge and Cole at the back end of their careers and should be building for that right now. Unless you can tell me with 100% certainty that Ohtani and Soto will be wearing pinstripes next year, this isn't a world series team.
They should've taken the best offer for Bader, Wandy, IKF, and anyone else not named Judge, Cole, Torres and maybe Volpe/Peraza. Even a lower than you want acquisition is better than getting nothing from guys who will neither win this year nor be here next.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2023, 11:36:21 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2023, 12:00:55 PM
Perfect analogy
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 02, 2023, 12:12:47 PM
I can agree with the theory but it's flawed right now.I think this is an example of the Yankees believing that any team that makes the playoffs has a chance if things break right. And if that's the case, it's harder to move Bader without a big return.
This is a team far past its expiration date. Based on what we see right now, who of our 2024 returning players will be a significant contributor to a championship team? Now take out Judge and Cole.
Next year is a pipe dream. Maybe even 2025. We're looking at one last window for Judge and Cole at the back end of their careers and should be building for that right now. Unless you can tell me with 100% certainty that Ohtani and Soto will be wearing pinstripes next year, this isn't a world series team.
They should've taken the best offer for Bader, Wandy, IKF, and anyone else not named Judge, Cole, Torres and maybe Volpe/Peraza. Even a lower than you want acquisition is better than getting nothing from guys who will neither win this year nor be here next.
I think they should have traded one of the relievers though. The Yankees have always been able to find relievers. Hell, they traded for 2 at this deadline. Feels like they could have moved Wandy or even Holmes or King and backfilled it with Middleton/Howard.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2023, 12:28:25 PM
I think this is an example of the Yankees believing that any team that makes the playoffs has a chance if things break right. And if that's the case, it's harder to move Bader without a big return.
I think they should have traded one of the relievers though. The Yankees have always been able to find relievers. Hell, they traded for 2 at this deadline. Feels like they could have moved Wandy or even Holmes or King and backfilled it with Middleton/Howard.
What gives this team any thought that they can make a WC? In the week leading up to the deadline, where they were supposedly evaluating their chances based on the team's performance, they got knocked around by the Os and Rays, after getting beat up by the Mets and Angels (Yay, they beat up KC!).
You have to be a bit delusional to believe this team has any shot of making up the ground, never mind being even remotely competitive in October against the same teams repeatedly eating their lunch.
The worst thing you can do at the deadline is nothing. Either fix your holes to give your team a true run at the playoffs or sell to set up your team for next year.
I would have been fine selling IKF, Bader, Wandy, Sevvy (lol). All impending FAs and you can make the argument that none of those guys really move the needle on their playoff chances this year.
This post was spot-on.
Post by: Badger on August 02, 2023, 12:30:51 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 02, 2023, 01:47:34 PM
What gives this team any thought that they can make a WC? In the week leading up to the deadline, where they were supposedly evaluating their chances based on the team's performance, they got knocked around by the Os and Rays, after getting beat up by the Mets and Angels (Yay, they beat up KC!).FanGraphs gives them an 18% chance to make the playoffs (I'm sure it was higher yesterday and a few days ago). So that's not nothing. Do I think they will make it?
You have to be a bit delusional to believe this team has any shot of making up the ground, never mind being even remotely competitive in October against the same teams repeatedly eating their lunch.
The Yankees seem to be banking on the older, highly paid players to live up to their contracts, even as they get further and further away from the last time they were truly productive.
I think they should have traded guys with value, but outside of Bader, I don't know how many expiring guys had much value around the league. And the Yankees did such an awful job addressing the outfield that we don't have an MLB caliber backup centerfielder if they can't run Judge out there.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 02, 2023, 02:12:19 PM
But if that’s the case, they needed to do a better job of acquiring a LF, a C, a bat anywhere.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2023, 02:26:55 PM
FanGraphs gives them an 18% chance to make the playoffs (I'm sure it was higher yesterday and a few days ago). So that's not nothing. Do I think they will make it?
The Yankees seem to be banking on the older, highly paid players to live up to their contracts, even as they get further and further away from the last time they were truly productive.
I think they should have traded guys with value, but outside of Bader, I don't know how many expiring guys had much value around the league. And the Yankees did such an awful job addressing the outfield that we don't have an MLB caliber backup centerfielder if they can't run Judge out there.
If Cashman couldn't squeeze value out of Wandy, what's he good for? Bader too, but Wandy's got real value to boost a playoff pen.
Unless the plan is to bring him back on top of a lot of turnover this offseason, there's absolutely zero reason to hold onto him.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2023, 02:33:46 PM
If I had to guess, they were being offered low level, young prospects probably outside of other team’s top 10’s. That doesn’t help us this year, next year, or maybe ever. Our guys weren’t that desirable. The trade off might be negligible between some 18 year old A ball players and a full shot at a run this year.
But if that’s the case, they needed to do a better job of acquiring a LF, a C, a bat anywhere.
They can't seriously believe they can make a run this year. And if you're not planning on bringing these guys back, and other than Wandy I don't see a reason to re-sign any of them, even if you get an A-ball lottery ticket, it's better than nothing.
But I'm with you 100% on the do-one-or-the-other front. If you're not selling, you've got to fill those monster holes. You can make an argument that LF dried up when Soto, Ohtani, and Bellinger came off the market, but there were catchers available.
And hoping Rodon and Cortes pitch to everyone's hopes the rest of the year is a fool's game.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 02, 2023, 06:31:46 PM
This dude was such a piece of excrement
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2023, 07:19:22 PM
https://twitter.com/talkinyanks/status/1686870677914091523?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
This dude was such a piece of excrement
I hate him
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2023, 07:21:23 PM
We have IKF and a broken Donaldson, with Kyle Higashioka the starting catcher.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2023, 07:26:43 PM
https://www.si.com/mlb/yankees/news/should-the-new-york-yankees-fire-brian-cashman (https://www.si.com/mlb/yankees/news/should-the-new-york-yankees-fire-brian-cashman)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 02, 2023, 08:46:19 PM
Post by: Jumbo on August 02, 2023, 10:25:57 PM
Gary Sanchez made his Padres debut on May 30th. Since that day, he has 14 home runs.
We have IKF and a broken Donaldson, with Kyle Higashioka the starting catcher.
Sneaking in here to say that it's not like Preller is some super genius either. The Yankees have a better record than the Padres. The ALE is really tough and I'm not sure what Cashman could have done overly differently that would have made much of an impact as far as buying goes at the deadline. There wasn't that much available.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 03, 2023, 06:34:43 AM
If you think about it, this is like a monster deadline acquisition
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 03, 2023, 06:34:54 AM
Sneaking in here to say that it's not like Preller is some super genius either. The Yankees have a better record than the Padres. The ALE is really tough and I'm not sure what Cashman could have done overly differently that would have made much of an impact as far as buying goes at the deadline. There wasn't that much available.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 03, 2023, 09:37:04 AM
Emergent teams this year rebuilt on young players and payroll flexibility: Cubs, Reds, Diamondbacks, Orioles, Red Sox
The Yankees can’t really afford to tank and rebuild like those other teams with the business model they have. I personally would be fine with a rebuild/reload around Judge/Cole.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 03, 2023, 11:16:43 AM
Failed high payroll teams: Yankees, Mets, Padres
Emergent teams this year rebuilt on young players and payroll flexibility: Cubs, Reds, Diamondbacks, Orioles, Red Sox
The Yankees can’t really afford to tank and rebuild like those other teams with the business model they have. I personally would be fine with a rebuild/reload around Judge/Cole.
The green is what I want and have wanted for years. This team supposedly built a great farm system a few years back, and we saw no fruit--Judge was the one player, Gleyber the one acquisition--and the rest hasn't panned out via promotions or trades.
The red is what drives me nuts. In an effort to never devalue the YES network, they ensure they're always "competitive." But it's nearly always a paper tiger. It's only fueled by the BS the fanbase was served years ago that they were getting under the cap for acquisitions like Harper and Machado.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 03, 2023, 11:24:03 AM
Sneaking in here to say that it's not like Preller is some super genius either. The Yankees have a better record than the Padres. The ALE is really tough and I'm not sure what Cashman could have done overly differently that would have made much of an impact as far as buying goes at the deadline. There wasn't that much available.
I wasn't trying to promote the Padres there. Just funny that Sanchez is suddenly the hitter he was supposed to be. It's not like Minny fixed him either.
I agree re: Cashman buying. Like I've said, once Soto, Ohtani, & Bellinger were off the table, we didn't have many choices (especially once Bieber got hurt). The problem I have is that as composed this isn't a playoff team. So he should have sold whatever he could for whatever he could get.
And we know he could've gotten something. He just thought his precious injury-prone wunderkinds were being undervalued. So we get to watch a mediocre product, with an overly inflated salary, lose a bunch more games with no reason to hope future years will be any better.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 03, 2023, 11:48:12 AM
I wasn't trying to promote the Padres there. Just funny that Sanchez is suddenly the hitter he was supposed to be. It's not like Minny fixed him either.
I agree re: Cashman buying. Like I've said, once Soto, Ohtani, & Bellinger were off the table, we didn't have many choices (especially once Bieber got hurt). The problem I have is that as composed this isn't a playoff team. So he should have sold whatever he could for whatever he could get.
And we know he could've gotten something. He just thought his precious injury-prone wunderkinds were being undervalued. So we get to watch a mediocre product, with an overly inflated salary, lose a bunch more games with no reason to hope future years will be any better.
I was looking at his stats yesterday (probably before they were updated with his HRs) and his OPS this year was .005 off of his career average
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 03, 2023, 04:22:08 PM
I was looking at his stats yesterday (probably before they were updated with his HRs) and his OPS this year was .005 off of his career average
Yeah, the reality is, he stinks overall but his progressing to his mean because he was so bad before getting to SD. All of his HRs are since arriving there. His OPS is now 1 point off his career. His average is "up" to .214, so he's been brutal half the year.
I just thought it was pretty funny that he's suddenly tearing the cover off the ball while the Yankees slide backward offensively with Higgy the starting catcher.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 03, 2023, 04:25:25 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 03, 2023, 04:33:12 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 03, 2023, 04:54:10 PM
Rizzo had a concussion for 2 months and nobody knew. This team, man...
I've been saying it ever since he came back. I don't understand how it went undiagnosed. It was blatantly obvious. The guy was visibly different after the incident.
I don't think this team is that far off. It's a lot more that Donaldson, Stanton, and Rizzo have done nothing in Judge's absence. But one of those problems is solved, and I think Rizzo is still suffering concussion leftovers. But if all 3 are gone (and DJ too) and replaced with younger players, I'm cool with that as well.
Post by: delavan on August 03, 2023, 11:09:54 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 04, 2023, 07:18:09 AM
Post by: MBGreen on August 04, 2023, 07:26:47 AM
Rizzo had a concussion for 2 months and nobody knew. This team, man...
New York Yankees team doctor: Dr. Nick Riviera
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 04, 2023, 09:24:49 AM
http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,5964.msg520313.html#msg520313
Good call. What a mess.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 04, 2023, 09:26:30 AM
Quote from: @BryanHoch
Anthony Rizzo said he noticed he was more tired, but attributed it to the grind of the season. He mentioned waking up feeling hungover, and occasionally forgot the numbers of outs. Testing showed his reaction time was slower. “I didn’t just forget how to do this all of a sudden.”
Yeah, he was on fire until the collision. I've never seen anyone fall off a cliff like that.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 04, 2023, 09:31:33 AM
https://twitter.com/yankeesslut/status/1687300875830607873?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
This is so weird. On the one hand, Stanton pulls an eyelash and he's out for a month, which flies in the face of this. But on the other, I can believe they push guys when they shouldn't. How many times have we seen guys get visibly hurt during an AB, come back on the field for another inning or two, then 12 hours after the game are on the IL?
I used to think stuff like this happened a lot, but that the intro of the 10-day would alleviate it. Guess not.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 04, 2023, 09:35:22 AM
Quote from: @EyesOnYanks
Domingo Germán had arguments with Aaron Boone and teammates during Tuesday’s incident. He flipped a couch, smashed a TV and made jokes while teammate Ron Marinaccio packed his bags for Triple-A. They made him go in a sauna to try and sweat out the alcohol
No. Third. Chance. GTFO
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 04, 2023, 09:38:01 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 04, 2023, 06:21:11 PM
Randy Vasquez should take his spot next week.
Granted, the Yankees are probably complacent enough to make Sevy work through it.
Post by: IATA on August 04, 2023, 10:41:11 PM
:O
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 04, 2023, 10:41:51 PM
The worst part about the German thing is that Severino is starting again.
Randy Vasquez should take his spot next week.
Granted, the Yankees are probably complacent enough to make Sevy work through it.
Sevvy is cooked but Brito/Vasquez aren’t MLB starters either
This team doesn’t have it
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 04, 2023, 10:42:10 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 05, 2023, 02:31:06 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2023, 03:41:42 PM
Welcome back NestorNestor the molester
Post by: delavan on August 05, 2023, 03:56:54 PM
Welcome back Nestor^
+1 and nice bullpen mop up
Clay Holmes last 30 games:
W L ERA. WHIP
3 0 0.90 0.97
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 05, 2023, 05:50:11 PM
Lots of things have gone wrong offensively for a variety of reasons. Some are veterans we were counting on bouncing back have not. Rizzo getting concussed (and the Yankees being too incompetent to notice) has also been a glaring issue. Volpe hasn't been as good as we hoped (and I have no idea what the plan is with Peraza). We knew catcher would be a problem, but most catchers can't hit, so you can let that one slide more. Not addressing outfield was an obviously bad decision 5 months ago and it's still hurting us now.
Post by: Badger on August 08, 2023, 06:12:12 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 08, 2023, 07:36:31 AM
The worst part about the German thing is that Severino is starting again.
Randy Vasquez should take his spot next week.
Granted, the Yankees are probably complacent enough to make Sevy work through it.
Is that the worst part?
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 08, 2023, 07:39:34 AM
Post by: MBGreen on August 08, 2023, 07:44:03 AM
Rodon, the newest member of the Carl Pavano "they pay me for this" club.
I'm obviously no fan of the Yankees...but man, that sucks for you guys. Rodon was a hefty price tag too.
Post by: Badger on August 08, 2023, 05:38:17 PM
https://www.nj.com/yankees/2023/08/yankees-beloved-reliever-is-a-psychopath-teammate-says.html
Post by: Johnny English on August 08, 2023, 06:34:11 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 09, 2023, 11:42:48 AM
And still, the rumor is now that Cashman will be back but Hal hasn't decided on Boone yet.
Nothing will change for this team until people stop watching YES and showing up to the park.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 09, 2023, 11:59:35 AM
Apparently, the analysts voted down a Grichuk trade.Grichuk is a replacement-level player who doesn't add a whole lot, so I'm not opposed to passing up on him. However, we could use a replacement-level outfielder, since we've played replacement-level infielders in the outfield half the season.
And still, the rumor is now that Cashman will be back but Hal hasn't decided on Boone yet.
Nothing will change for this team until people stop watching YES and showing up to the park.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 09, 2023, 12:19:24 PM
Grichuk is a replacement-level player who doesn't add a whole lot, so I'm not opposed to passing up on him. However, we could use a replacement-level outfielder, since we've played replacement-level infielders in the outfield half the season.
I wasn't particularly fond of renting Grichuk but his OPS is .868 this year. The Yankees' team OPS is .711. The outfield's is .730.
But honestly, more than the player himself, the problem with what I posted is more that the damn nerds are making all the decisions in the organization. Clearly, if the idea was rejected, Cashman was doing the work to acquire him, yet was overruled by his own number-crunchers.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 09, 2023, 12:27:00 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 09, 2023, 12:27:49 PM
I wasn't particularly fond of renting Grichuk but his OPS is .868 this year. The Yankees' team OPS is .711. The outfield's is .730.
But honestly, more than the player himself, the problem with what I posted is more that the damn nerds are making all the decisions in the organization. Clearly, if the idea was rejected, Cashman was doing the work to acquire him, yet was overruled by his own number-crunchers.
Grichuk's OPS is inflated because he plays in Denver. He stinks, trust me.
Post by: Johnny English on August 09, 2023, 12:30:33 PM
Grichuk's OPS is inflated because he plays in Denver. He stinks, trust me.
He's very handsome though. The girls I used to have tickets with were convinced that the Jays only gave him that massive contract because he was so good for marketing.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 09, 2023, 12:36:46 PM
Grichuk's OPS is inflated because he plays in Denver. He stinks, trust me.
His OPS since going to LA has tanked to .670, but in Toronto it was .751 and St Louis .785. Higher than both the Yankees outfield and team OPSes this year.
Again though, it's not so much the player as the process.
Post by: MBGreen on August 09, 2023, 01:01:41 PM
His OPS since going to LA has tanked to .670, but in Toronto it was .751 and St Louis .785. Higher than both the Yankees outfield and team OPSes this year.
Again though, it's not so much the player as the process.
As a Jays fan, i hope to see Grichuk in yankee pinstripes someday.
Post by: Badger on August 09, 2023, 06:09:39 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2023, 10:51:26 AM
Much Higher on Turner than Correa but this would have also been a disaster. He’s been completely awful in the field too
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2023, 12:31:00 PM
8th in MLB in DRS, all players all positions
SS Defense Advanced Metrics Ranks
3rd in SS DRS
11th in SS OAA
11th in SS UZR
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2023, 12:32:39 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 10, 2023, 12:57:38 PM
Arm (29th percentile throw strength) and range are still weak points but overall that’s a massive rookie season in the field so far. You also gotta remember that out of all of his tools, defense was by far the weakest so he appears to be getting better.
Yeah, it's way too early to crown him anything, but so far, he's another notch in Cashman's belt.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 11, 2023, 11:22:37 AM
The opportunity to upgrade on Rizzo was there on a silver platter and instead they settled because complacency permeates throughout the organization.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 11, 2023, 01:37:05 PM
Every time I see Matt Olson and Freddie Freeman on their respective teams, I want to throw up.
The opportunity to upgrade on Rizzo was there on a silver platter and instead they settled because complacency permeates throughout the organization.
But they make the playoffs every year!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2023, 05:30:38 AM
Don’t think we could have beaten the Braves package for Olson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2023, 05:32:00 AM
But they make the playoffs every year!
Kinda hope we fire Cashman and then we stop making the playoffs every year so you guys can feel what it’s like to be a baseball fan
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2023, 07:24:45 AM
Kinda hope we fire Cashman and then we stop making the playoffs every year so you guys can feel what it’s like to be a baseball fan(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230812/7830132ffe679853ea63acfc3d352ccc.gif)
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 13, 2023, 04:07:43 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2023, 04:27:13 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2023, 04:27:39 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 13, 2023, 04:36:26 PM
What do Yankees fans do after a loss like that and you can’t even blame Boone or Cashman?This whole season is on Cashman. Boone is mediocre at best, but this team isn't good. Today is on Holmes though. He's been great for 3 months, and today he sucked.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2023, 06:25:54 PM
This whole season is on Cashman. Boone is mediocre at best, but this team isn't good. Today is on Holmes though. He's been great for 3 months, and today he sucked.
Same team as last year, with slight upgrades
The team isn’t good because the players haven’t performed well
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2023, 06:28:20 PM
This whole season is on Cashman. Boone is mediocre at best, but this team isn't good. Today is on Holmes though. He's been great for 3 months, and today he sucked.
Explain Boones win % then if he’s mediocre. Who’s the manager available that the Yankees can hire that would improve on that?
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2023, 06:32:14 PM
Explain Boones win % then if he’s mediocre. Who’s the manager available that the Yankees can hire that would improve on that?Bobby Valentine wearing a fake mustache
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 13, 2023, 09:02:39 PM
Explain Boones win % then if he’s mediocre. Who’s the manager available that the Yankees can hire that would improve on that?This is like arguing Mark Sanchez was a good quarterback because he took us to back-to-back championship games. Winning percentage isn't all on the manager. Is there anything besides winning percentage to show he's a good manager? I don't think he's ever overachieved with the talent on the team. I don't think managers are that important, but subjectively, I don't think he's that good. I'm not saying firing him is going to be a meaningful solution. But I also think he's a replacement level manager and we won't miss him if he's gone.
Why do you defend him so much? Do you really think he's irreplaceable?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2023, 10:55:24 PM
This is like arguing Mark Sanchez was a good quarterback because he took us to back-to-back championship games. Winning percentage isn't all on the manager. Is there anything besides winning percentage to show he's a good manager? I don't think he's ever overachieved with the talent on the team. I don't think managers are that important, but subjectively, I don't think he's that good. I'm not saying firing him is going to be a meaningful solution. But I also think he's a replacement level manager and we won't miss him if he's gone.
Why do you defend him so much? Do you really think he's irreplaceable?
So Cashman constructed a top 10 team all time, sustained over the course of multiple seasons (measured by winning regular season winning percentage) under Boones tenure then. Despite being held back by a subpar manager! One or the other, I’ll leave it up to you
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2023, 10:57:39 PM
Why do you defend him so much? Do you really think he's irreplaceable?
Def not, there are just several things I think they have to fix first to be a good baseball franchise. Fire Boone is just an easy answer to a complex problem with no simple solution. They won’t be any better next year with the same team and a new manager
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2023, 11:04:45 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 14, 2023, 09:08:45 AM
Kinda hope we fire Cashman and then we stop making the playoffs every year so you guys can feel what it’s like to be a baseball fan
Looking like we're not even gonna need to fire Cashman for that.
Again, I'll ask, what has Cashman done that practically anyone couldn't have done the same? Spending more money than anyone else is easy. Taking over a team with a core of players someone else put together isn't very hard.
That said, the last couple of weeks, my stance on Cashman has been changing. I'm really starting to wonder if there's too much power given to a bunch of number crunchers with zero feel for the game. It's still his fault at the end of the day since the only person he should answer to is Hal, but if those guys' voices carry too much weight it's a problem, and it's starting to seem that way.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 14, 2023, 09:19:02 AM
I think most people here know this already, but you get rid of Boone, and they’re just going to replace him with some coachspeak robot brain PR mouthpiece that holds water for Hal again. This is likely reality of the manager position with this franchise for the foreseeable future. Take your complaints up with the individuals actually responsible for this
Here's another point we are 100% in agreement on.
The Yankees' manager position has been the same since they fired Torre, maybe even Buck. The job is simply to keep the players in a good mood and answer the hard questions from the media. Everything else is determined by guys who don't wear uniforms.
Same team as last year, with slight upgrades
The team isn’t good because the players haven’t performed well
I somewhat agree, but part of the problem is you've got a roster full of injury-prone players--who were injury-prone before putting on pinstripes. Whose fault is that? You can't just write off guys "underperforming" when at any given time there are two or more starters on the IL. Judge's injury is one thing, but Bader and Stanton? Relying on those guys when your LF plan is a bunch of 4A players is a fireable offense on its own. Then you look at the rotation and it's completely negligent. What even is a Montas?
And then we have a farm system full of guys who cap out at Scranton so there's not much to call on either.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 14, 2023, 10:35:20 AM
I think most people here know this already, but you get rid of Boone, and they’re just going to replace him with some coachspeak robot brain PR mouthpiece that holds water for Hal again. This is likely reality of the manager position with this franchise for the foreseeable future. Take your complaints up with the individuals actually responsible for thisI agree, which is why I think Cashman deserves the majority of the blame.
For some reason, you keep wanting to argue about Boone, even though we both know that he isn't that important.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 14, 2023, 10:43:21 AM
I somewhat agree, but part of the problem is you've got a roster full of injury-prone players--who were injury-prone before putting on pinstripes. Whose fault is that? You can't just write off guys "underperforming" when at any given time there are two or more starters on the IL. Judge's injury is one thing, but Bader and Stanton? Relying on those guys when your LF plan is a bunch of 4A players is a fireable offense on its own. Then you look at the rotation and it's completely negligent. What even is a Montas?Especially when most of these "underperforming players" also underperformed last year. DJ and Hicks had been replacement-level or worse for 2 years. Stanton was coming off the worst year he's had in his career in 2022. Rizzo was 33 to start the year and while he was still productive the last few years, he was not prime Rizzo anymore. This offense was propped up by Aaron Judge having one of the greatest seasons in American League history in 2022, and he was surrounded by older players who showed they were in decline. What is happening offensively was very predictable.
And then we have a farm system full of guys who cap out at Scranton so there's not much to call on either.
"Same team as last year" doesn't work when you have one of the oldest position groups in baseball that was already declining. The only upgrade was supposed to be Volpe, and he hasn't performed well.
Post by: delavan on August 14, 2023, 11:27:34 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 14, 2023, 11:31:46 AM
Especially when most of these "underperforming players" also underperformed last year. DJ and Hicks had been replacement-level or worse for 2 years. Stanton was coming off the worst year he's had in his career in 2022. Rizzo was 33 to start the year and while he was still productive the last few years, he was not prime Rizzo anymore. This offense was propped up by Aaron Judge having one of the greatest seasons in American League history in 2022, and he was surrounded by older players who showed they were in decline. What is happening offensively was very predictable.
"Same team as last year" doesn't work when you have one of the oldest position groups in baseball that was already declining. The only upgrade was supposed to be Volpe, and he hasn't performed well.
Not to mention, Josh Donaldson was the plan at third, and relying on Trevino to not have just come off a complete fluke year.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 14, 2023, 11:38:32 AM
Garrett could you go more than 6 inn. with the amount your pulling down? Don’t get me wrong, the guy’s been solid but no need to set him up for the ‘W’ by only going 6
In his last 5 games, he's thrown 99, 105, 91, 110, and 99 pitches. The middle 3 of those starts went 7 innings. For a team that doesn't deserve him.
I really don't think it's fair to give Cole any crap at all this year. He's gotta be the team MVP this year.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 14, 2023, 09:18:40 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 14, 2023, 11:39:55 PM
In his last 5 games, he's thrown 99, 105, 91, 110, and 99 pitches. The middle 3 of those starts went 7 innings. For a team that doesn't deserve him.He's the deserving favorite to win Cy Young. It sucks we're not taking advantage of a truly prime Gerrit Cole season (as well as a prime Judge season).
I really don't think it's fair to give Cole any crap at all this year. He's gotta be the team MVP this year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 15, 2023, 08:16:22 AM
Dumpster fire
What do we call tonight then
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 15, 2023, 08:16:35 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 15, 2023, 08:19:30 AM
What do we call tonight then
Tires added?
Post by: delavan on August 15, 2023, 01:00:14 PM
In his last 5 games, he's thrown 99, 105, 91, 110, and 99 pitches. The middle 3 of those starts went 7 innings. For a team that doesn't deserve him.Fair point Alio (and in the midst of my 'crap' I acknowledged that he's been 'solid') but I also don't think "99, 105, 91, 110, and 99" are such earth-shaking numbers that'd prohibit an additional inning, i.e. it's not like he'd be getting lit up and having to labor through a 20-25 pitch inning. jmho
I really don't think it's fair to give Cole any crap at all this year. He's gotta be the team MVP this year.
To paraphrase Yogi, "now it's getting late early"
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Post by: delavan on August 15, 2023, 01:14:31 PM
Severino pitching btwTonight's lineup on YES Network
7:00: Yankees Batting Practice
7:30: Yankees Pre-game
8:00: Braves Batting Practice
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 15, 2023, 02:18:04 PM
Fair point Alio (and in the midst of my 'crap' I acknowledged that he's been 'solid') but I also don't think "99, 105, 91, 110, and 99" are such earth-shaking numbers that'd prohibit an additional inning, i.e. it's not like he'd be getting lit up and having to labor through a 20-25 pitch inning. jmho
To paraphrase Yogi, "now it's getting late early"
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I grew up in the 80s so the 100 pitch cap always bothered me, but it's the standard today and he's gone over it multiple times. I know you're really knocking him, but he's the most reliable player on the team this year so not putting in a 7th is low on my list.
Post by: delavan on August 15, 2023, 06:21:00 PM
L - to - R: Luis Severino, Ronald Acuna Jr., Michael Harris, Austin Riley, Matt Olson, Marcell Ozuna
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Post by: delavan on August 15, 2023, 07:21:03 PM
c'mon sev, smtfu
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Post by: AlioTheFool on August 16, 2023, 08:13:37 AM
Post by: Badger on August 16, 2023, 11:10:42 AM
I was in Metlife last night watching Slash make musical magic. I turned off the notifications on my phone for this team and was much happier for it.I've been leaving the notifications since I've watched less than half of the games since TOTK dropped.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 16, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 16, 2023, 01:47:42 PM
Imagine if we had a lefty-hitting catcher starting for the Yankees. (Though I still prioritize defense behind the plate.)
Post by: delavan on August 16, 2023, 06:45:12 PM
The New York Yankees have had 30 seasons in a row with a winning record, which is the longest currently active streak in the MLB. During this streak the Yankees made the playoffs 24 times and won 5 World Series.
Which MLB team has most consecutive winning seasons all time?
The New York Yankees have the record for most consecutive winning seasons at 39 seasons. The streak started in 1926 and went until 1964. During this time the Yankees made the playoffs 26 times and won 19 World Series.
60-60….TBD..
Post by: IATA on August 16, 2023, 09:52:09 PM
Post by: Badger on August 16, 2023, 10:54:58 PM
so who do you think would be a good manager next year? do they go with a big name or hire someone in the org?They'll probably hire AJ Hinch just to freak with us.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 17, 2023, 12:02:06 AM
so who do you think would be a good manager next year? do they go with a big name or hire someone in the org?
Probably depends on the confidence Hal's actually got in Cashman. He may be leery of giving another multiyear deal that he'll have to pay to a former employee if Cashman fails yet again and he's got no choice but to finally fire him.
Still doesn't matter anyway. Until Cashman and his analytics team are gone, the manager is still just a figurehead that doesn't matter.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 17, 2023, 02:41:20 AM
Based on how the Yankees (and a lot of teams) have done things recently, probably someone relatively intense. Yankees went Showalter to Torre to Girardi to Boone. Jets went from the Belichick tree to Herm back to the Belichick tree to Rex.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 17, 2023, 07:40:21 AM
This goes back to a topic we've discussed in the past. It's not that analytics are the problem, it's the Yankees' interpretation and use of them.
If what this guy is saying is true, it's an organizational problem that can only be solved with a house cleaning. And if what has been said recently about Hal is true, that's never gonna happen.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 17, 2023, 12:51:01 PM
Quote from: Bryan Hoch
[Drew Thorpe] owns one of the best changeups in the organization, also featuring a fastball between 89-92 mph and a low-80s slider that generates swings and misses.
Love this. I'm sick of the entire organization focusing on "throw it as hard as you can, as close to the plate as you can" nonsense.
You don't have to throw 96 MPH to get MLB hitters out. Unless you've got one pitch that's completely overwhelming (Mo Rivera) have a mix of off-speed stuff that forces the batter to guess every pitch. You'd think someone in management on this team would get the message with this swing-and-miss crew trotting out every day.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2023, 01:08:37 PM
Austin Wells hit his first Triple-A HR last night. 473 feet. 108.7 MPH.
Imagine if we had a lefty-hitting catcher starting for the Yankees. (Though I still prioritize defense behind the plate.)
Wells was thought to be a 1B/RF or DH when first drafted, but his defense has been improving
His arm is so poor he probably can’t catch full time at MLB level
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Woooof
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2023, 01:14:15 PM
so who do you think would be a good manager next year? do they go with a big name or hire someone in the org?
Prob someone no one will like. Joe Espada
How many “good managers” are active in MLB? How many free agent coaches would qualify as a “good manager” hire?
Pretty much the only reason I’ve defended Boone in the past is because if there’s an upgrade out there, it isn’t apparent to me personally. Most people struggle to even put together a list of interview candidates that looks even remotely visually appealing. Let alone the guy that can make this team hit or whatever it is that everyone wants the manager to do
Post by: MBGreen on August 17, 2023, 02:10:38 PM
Prob someone no one will like. Joe Espada
How many “good managers” are active in MLB? How many free agent coaches would qualify as a “good manager” hire?
Pretty much the only reason I’ve defended Boone in the past is because if there’s an upgrade out there, it isn’t apparent to me personally. Most people struggle to even put together a list of interview candidates that looks even remotely visually appealing. Let alone the guy that can make this team hit or whatever it is that everyone wants the manager to do
John Gibbons is available
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 17, 2023, 04:06:40 PM
Wells was thought to be a 1B/RF or DH when first drafted, but his defense has been improving
His arm is so poor he probably can’t catch full time at MLB level
Yeah, now that you posted, I recall seeing him being projected as a 1B/DH at the MLB level.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 17, 2023, 04:10:12 PM
Prob someone no one will like. Joe Espada
How many “good managers” are active in MLB? How many free agent coaches would qualify as a “good manager” hire?
Pretty much the only reason I’ve defended Boone in the past is because if there’s an upgrade out there, it isn’t apparent to me personally. Most people struggle to even put together a list of interview candidates that looks even remotely visually appealing. Let alone the guy that can make this team hit or whatever it is that everyone wants the manager to do
Yeah, who is the guy that would knock everyone's socks off? I love Mattingly (the player) and wanted him hired instead of Girardi, but what has he done in previous jobs that makes you say "Yeah, he'd fix this team"? He'd be great with the media, and probably likable in the clubhouse, just like...Aaron Boone.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 17, 2023, 07:20:50 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 17, 2023, 09:03:00 PM
No managers are so good they would knock my socks off. Managers don't matter that much. My point is that its not a good reason to keep one that seems replacement level.
Managers don't matter much and here, they don't matter at all. Replacement level is the job.
We're going to keep firing managers until the people who should be replaced are. And none of those people can be found in a dugout when there is a game being played.
Post by: MBGreen on August 18, 2023, 11:52:40 AM
I lol'd
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 18, 2023, 12:42:20 PM
Wish it'd been sooner, but LFG
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 18, 2023, 11:45:15 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 18, 2023, 11:46:28 PM
Wells and Pereria were both called up.
Wish it'd been sooner, but LFG
https://x.com/chriskirschner/status/1692631038525399524?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 19, 2023, 11:24:11 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2023, 12:39:37 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2023, 12:39:44 PM
Post by: delavan on August 19, 2023, 07:37:25 PM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 20, 2023, 10:51:06 AM
Quote
Aaron Boone said he met with Hal Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman a couple of days ago. He said they discussed the direction of the organization. He admitted that they’re all frustrated by the Yankees’ performance.
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Post by: Derek Smalls on August 20, 2023, 05:34:38 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 20, 2023, 11:16:14 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2023, 06:24:41 AM
Austin Wells 2 HRs for Scranton tonight lmao
Scran-town
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 21, 2023, 08:57:18 AM
Link? They haven’t actually been called up
I just went back and searched. I got tricked by a fake account. My bad. I'm usually a lot more careful.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 21, 2023, 10:13:29 AM
Scran-town
How have I never thought of this, I’m a failure
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 21, 2023, 10:14:48 AM
I just went back and searched. I got tricked by a fake account. My bad. I'm usually a lot more careful.
Someone (Boone or Cashman) had a quote last week about the two of them that sparked a lot of conversation. I several several accounts posting ambiguously making it seem like they actually had been called up already
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 21, 2023, 12:42:21 PM
Someone (Boone or Cashman) had a quote last week about the two of them that sparked a lot of conversation. I several several accounts posting ambiguously making it seem like they actually had been called up already
Yeah, Wells was trending, so I clicked to it and there were a bunch of posts that had been fooled, then I saw what I thought was an official post that both contracts had been purchased, but it was a fake account (Jankees).
At this point, I'm sure they're just going to go with service time manipulation. This season's toast. I don't think two farmhadns, one of which has only played at Scranton for a few weeks, are gonna change the outcome.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 21, 2023, 04:38:52 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 21, 2023, 05:14:54 PM
https://x.com/jackcurryyes/status/1693739279418048958?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Awesome. Wonder if Peraza will get regular starts at third.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2023, 01:59:19 PM
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The Yankees have the 11th ranked farm system, according to Baseball America.
BA’s breakdown of the Yankee farm:
Top 100 Prospects:
SS Oswald Peraza (55)
RHP Chase Hampton (56)
OF Jasson Dominguez (62)
OF Everson Pereira (77)
C Austin Wells (83)
OF Spencer Jones (84)
SS Roderick Arias (95)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2023, 02:06:46 PM
3) Jasson Dominguez
“Why He’s Here: .464/.500/.857 (13-for-28), 8 R, 5 2B, 0 3B, 2 HR, 8 RBIs, 3 BB, 7 SO, 1-for-1 SB
“The Scoop: All season long when we solicited industry feedback for our rankings, scouts and executives would tell us not to lose faith in Dominguez despite stats that didn’t jump off the page. Lately, he’s rewarded that patience. The 20-year-old outfielder pummeled rival Reading for six games. The outburst was a continuation of a strong August for the switch-hitter. For the month, Dominguez is hitting .380/.438/.608 with three home runs and 14 RBIs.”
7) Drew Thorpe
“Why He’s Here: 1-0, 2.70, 6.2 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 12 SO, 2 HR
“The Scoop: All season long, Thorpe has been one of the most dominant pitchers in the minor leagues. His 159 strikeouts are the most in the minors, nine ahead of A’s prospect Joe Boyle. Most of Thorpe’s total came at High-A Hudson Valley, but he’s kept right on missing bats since moving to Double-A as well. His most recent turn, when he fanned a dozen against Reading, was his sixth game of the season with double-digit strikeouts and fell one shy of tying the career best he set on July 22.”
11) Austin Wells
“Why He’s Here: .273/.333/.864 (6-for-22), 5 R, 1 2B, 0 3B, 4 HR, 11 RBIs, 2 BB, 8 SO, 1-for-1 SB
“The Scoop: Wells is among the cadre of offensively talented prospects clustered at the Yankees’ upper levels, including a trio of himself, Oswald Peraza and Everson Pereira at Triple-A. Wells was moved to Scranton on July 21 and has been rumored to be in the mix for his first big league callup. He spent the last week making the case for that to happen. Against Worcester, Wells clubbed four home runs—all of his Triple-A total—including three over the final two games of the series. The series finale also marked Wells’ first multi-homer game of the season.”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2023, 02:07:08 PM
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Post by: AlioTheFool on August 22, 2023, 02:20:18 PM
11th is a lot higher than I expected. Especially after all the trades the last couple of years. Still, it doesn't matter how many highly-ranked prospects you have until they pan out. Volpe is certainly one. Judge goes without saying. Gleyber technically is, but he was acquired.
After that, there's a lot of question marks. I guess we can add Schmidt to the list, but Severino is a cautionary tale--never mind Joba, Hughes, Betances, or Banuelos.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2023, 02:30:30 PM
Is Peraza still considered a prospect? I don't know how that works, but he's got multiple appearances with the pro club now.
11th is a lot higher than I expected. Especially after all the trades the last couple of years. Still, it doesn't matter how many highly-ranked prospects you have until they pan out. Volpe is certainly one. Judge goes without saying. Gleyber technically is, but he was acquired.
After that, there's a lot of question marks. I guess we can add Schmidt to the list, but Severino is a cautionary tale--never mind Joba, Hughes, Betances, or Banuelos.
Other teams have gotten it to work. Rays, Dodgers, Astros. Orioles have undergone a massive turnaround this year and the Reds and Diamondbacks are finally somewhat relevant again on the backs of young talent.
Sometimes prospects don’t pan out. We haven’t had a great run recently but none of our studs have whiffed. Andujar/Clint/Sheffield were mid level prospects that we overrated. We’ve also traded a ton of organizational depth for MLB pieces.
This is the next wave of players. Volpe/Peraza was the beginning, and players like Arias and Jasson are the future if they can reach their ceiling. (Both the #1 IFA signing in their respective classes)
Who knows if any of these guys work out but at least if our MLB team is currently on the decline we have some hope for future years.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 22, 2023, 06:56:33 PM
Other teams have gotten it to work. Rays, Dodgers, Astros. Orioles have undergone a massive turnaround this year and the Reds and Diamondbacks are finally somewhat relevant again on the backs of young talent.
Sometimes prospects don’t pan out. We haven’t had a great run recently but none of our studs have whiffed. Andujar/Clint/Sheffield were mid level prospects that we overrated. We’ve also traded a ton of organizational depth for MLB pieces.
This is the next wave of players. Volpe/Peraza was the beginning, and players like Arias and Jasson are the future if they can reach their ceiling. (Both the #1 IFA signing in their respective classes)
Who knows if any of these guys work out but at least if our MLB team is currently on the decline we have some hope for future years.
Yeah, look, this is how I prefer to team-build. I'm all for spending money on a big name every few years but the majority of a team should come from the inside. For so many years we've traded so many guys for fringe players (when we could have had guys like Cole) and so many others haven't panned out.
Like you said, if this team is on the decline anyway, it's a perfect time to start seeing what these young guys can do. Might suck for Judge and Cole, but it sucked for Mattingly, Winfield, and Righetti. And maybe we can turn around quickly. Just don't play the stupid control years game. If a guy's ready, promote him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2023, 07:37:27 PM
Yeah, look, this is how I prefer to team-build. I'm all for spending money on a big name every few years but the majority of a team should come from the inside. For so many years we've traded so many guys for fringe players (when we could have had guys like Cole) and so many others haven't panned out.
Like you said, if this team is on the decline anyway, it's a perfect time to start seeing what these young guys can do. Might suck for Judge and Cole, but it sucked for Mattingly, Winfield, and Righetti. And maybe we can turn around quickly. Just don't play the stupid control years game. If a guy's ready, promote him.
Peraza has been ready all year, and Pereira is our best option at a position of need. As much as I would want to see Wells, I don’t think he’s an MLB catcher so it’ll be interesting to see how they play it. Wouldn’t hurt to get him out there in a season like this.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2023, 08:01:00 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 22, 2023, 08:30:41 PM
Peraza has been ready all year, and Pereira is our best option at a position of need. As much as I would want to see Wells, I don’t think he’s an MLB catcher so it’ll be interesting to see how they play it. Wouldn’t hurt to get him out there in a season like this.
Which is what drives me crazy.
I mostly agree re: Wells. I prefer defense-first catchers, but at this point who cares?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2023, 08:40:04 PM
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Post by: Badger on August 23, 2023, 09:28:34 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 23, 2023, 10:27:31 PM
First time in months they made me regret not watching the game.
Definitely their best game in months. DJ hit. Judge went video game mode. Even Stanton, while still being completely lost at the plate made a nice defensive play. Peraza too. And Sevy brought back memories.
I'm resigned to at least one more year of Cashman, but I'd really like to see Boone get one more year. One of the extremely few things a manager can do is keep his team motivated to play and even as bad as it's been, they're still putting in effort.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 23, 2023, 10:30:09 PM
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Post by: AlioTheFool on August 24, 2023, 09:26:47 AM
https://x.com/db1207_/status/1694520541561196693?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Shohei is arguably the best baseball player on the planet. But it's only arguable because Aaron Judge exists.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 29, 2023, 01:26:56 PM
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Post by: Derek Smalls on August 30, 2023, 05:04:36 PM
https://twitter.com/BryanHoch/status/1697006891937743087
And so is Wells!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 31, 2023, 09:34:09 AM
Fuuuuuck can’t believe the Yankees missed out on this guy
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Post by: Badger on September 04, 2023, 09:16:55 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 04, 2023, 10:38:41 PM
I’ve said it before. The Yankees can’t operate by that model. The fans don’t want it. You guys are begging them to spend MORE money.
Watching the orioles this year has been so freaking annoying. They got Adley Rutchsman and Gunnar Henderson in back to back picks in the draft. 4 fuckjng years ago. That’s how long this rebuild has taken
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 04, 2023, 10:42:46 PM
If they actually wanted to win they would have done this a month ago
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2023, 06:53:24 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 06, 2023, 08:26:28 AM
Nice
Post by: Johnny English on September 06, 2023, 09:01:22 AM
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Nice
First time they had that record since '69 as well.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 07, 2023, 05:40:48 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on September 10, 2023, 05:43:25 PM
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Post by: AlioTheFool on September 11, 2023, 08:55:01 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 11, 2023, 09:05:46 AM
My problem with this team has always been that the players they draft have rarely panned out in the Cashman era. Since the Core-4-plus-Bernie, and before this season, the biggest names they've developed have been Judge and...Brett Gardner.
The organizational philosophy has been something I've harped on for 2 decades, and it's finally becoming a story, especially since that former farmhand called out the offensive player development a few weeks back.
I'm not anti-analytics, but I believe the Yankees use them really poorly. I don't give two wet farts about launch angle or exit velocity. The single most important stat in the entire sport to me is OBP. The best teams get guys on base and force pitchers to throw a lot of pitches. Home runs are fun, but getting runners on and moving them is fun too and leads to a lot more wins.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2023, 11:58:36 AM
I’m back in
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2023, 12:01:29 PM
SFD, I agree (and always have) with you about player drafting and development. That's how a club should be built.
My problem with this team has always been that the players they draft have rarely panned out in the Cashman era. Since the Core-4-plus-Bernie, and before this season, the biggest names they've developed have been Judge and...Brett Gardner.
The organizational philosophy has been something I've harped on for 2 decades, and it's finally becoming a story, especially since that former farmhand called out the offensive player development a few weeks back.
I'm not anti-analytics, but I believe the Yankees use them really poorly. I don't give two wet farts about launch angle or exit velocity. The single most important stat in the entire sport to me is OBP. The best teams get guys on base and force pitchers to throw a lot of pitches. Home runs are fun, but getting runners on and moving them is fun too and leads to a lot more wins.
Their player dev isn’t bad. I’ve made most of the points I would make again already in this thread. It isn’t better than TB HOU LAD, but there aren’t really many strong arguments ahead of them after that.
The problem this entire time dating back to early 2000s is the management of the MLB roster. Yankees fans thirst for the big contracts, and they mostly bite us in the derriere.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 11, 2023, 12:44:23 PM
Their player dev isn’t bad. I’ve made most of the points I would make again already in this thread. It isn’t better than TB HOU LAD, but there aren’t really many strong arguments ahead of them after that.I might argue that our drafting is the bigger issue than the player development. The player development isn't great, but it's not terrible.
The problem this entire time dating back to early 2000s is the management of the MLB roster. Yankees fans thirst for the big contracts, and they mostly bite us in the derriere.
The bigger issue is that our only 1st-round pick from 2007-16 that signed with the Yankees and made any impact in the big leagues is Aaron Judge. We traded a few guys when they still had some value, so that was good, but we have not drafted well for a while.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2023, 01:19:16 PM
I might argue that our drafting is the bigger issue than the player development. The player development isn't great, but it's not terrible.
The bigger issue is that our only 1st-round pick from 2007-16 that signed with the Yankees and made any impact in the big leagues is Aaron Judge. We traded a few guys when they still had some value, so that was good, but we have not drafted well for a while.
That’s pretty obvious cherry-picking there with your cutoff date to exclude Clarke, Volpe and Wells. Their last 3 1RPs ‘21-23 have looked great so far as well.
2007-2013 was an insane run of bad 1st rounders. None of those picks were looked that highly upon at the time, maybe Brackman. Jagielo and Cito Culver were legit head scratchers.
2014-2016 was normal. We got good returns for Rutherford and Kaprelian and Kyle Holder was a low ceiling defense 1st SS, which is exactly what he turned out to be.
The 2 biggest factors here is that the Yankees almost always have low draft picks and baseball is harder to develop a player than any other sport, by far.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 11, 2023, 01:33:39 PM
Their player dev isn’t bad. I’ve made most of the points I would make again already in this thread. It isn’t better than TB HOU LAD, but there aren’t really many strong arguments ahead of them after that.
The problem this entire time dating back to early 2000s is the management of the MLB roster. Yankees fans thirst for the big contracts, and they mostly bite us in the derriere.
The big contracts have been a problem, but it's been more about who they've signed/traded for than what they spent.
Would this team be significantly better--even counting injuries--had they spent on Harper (who wanted to play here)? What about Machado who would have never left the void at 3B we filled with Josh Donaldson?
Those are ignoring spending money on Jacoby Ellsbury, who had a clear history of missing tons of games. Getting Stanton was more like giving Mark Sanchez his lipstick contract than getting a player we needed (full disclosure: I was 100% in favor of getting Stanton--because I was pissed off/butthurt otherwise at the roster management).
I'm admittedly being lazy about researching other teams and who they've brought up--including players they've traded at deadlines--but I don't think the list of teams doing a better job ends at TB, HOU, LAD. Every team in our division has had more players come up in their system and make them playoff teams than we have. Boston has done a ridiculous job of promoting and churning talent.
The only position I think this team has done (ridiculously) well on developing is relief pitching. Hopefully, King and Schmidt don't turn into pumpkins next year, and it would be nice if Peraza, Volpe, Torres were the infield left of first for a long time. It would go a long way towards reversing the awful trend we've been on for ages. And FFS, please let Jasson recover quickly/well! But assuming all these guys work out, it'll be the first time in a very long time this many guys coming through the system had significant success.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 11, 2023, 01:53:15 PM
That’s pretty obvious cherry-picking there with your cutoff date to exclude Clarke, Volpe and Wells. Their last 3 1RPs ‘21-23 have looked great so far as well.
2007-2013 was an insane run of bad 1st rounders. None of those picks were looked that highly upon at the time, maybe Brackman. Jagielo and Cito Culver were legit head scratchers.
2014-2016 was normal. We got good returns for Rutherford and Kaprelian and Kyle Holder was a low ceiling defense 1st SS, which is exactly what he turned out to be.
The 2 biggest factors here is that the Yankees almost always have low draft picks and baseball is harder to develop a player than any other sport, by far.
I agree with you on this one. They've done a reasonably good job of drafting. Again, my issue is the development/philosophy and again, I point at the former farmhand who called out the MiLB hitting philosophy recently, and the fact that they finally gave up on Lawson's POV to support my point.
Peraza, Torres, and DJLM are all better hitters when swinging for contact, rather than launch angle. I'd bet Stanton's OBP would skyrocket if he looked for more contact and had better plate discipline as well. I remember there was a period when Jorge Posada was slumping extremely badly, and whoever the hitting coach was at the time (Chambliss?) told him to take a step back and start trying to hit up the middle rather than pull, and when he did it changed his season practically overnight.
Guys can have power and still get on base. Tino, Bernie, Paulie. Those guys hit double-digit homers and still hit tons of doubles. That's how you wear down pitchers. Not striking out on 4 pitches 3 times a game. And that's why I believe the problem leans towards philosophy and not roster talent. Every guy on this roster has proven at some point he can hit. One guy falling off a cliff is understandable, but when everyone does, it's hard to argue the problem is all the players. Especially when Casey's approach has suddenly rejuvenated a bunch of guys.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2023, 02:15:59 PM
The big contracts have been a problem, but it's been more about who they've signed/traded for than what they spent.
Would this team be significantly better--even counting injuries--had they spent on Harper (who wanted to play here)? What about Machado who would have never left the void at 3B we filled with Josh Donaldson?
Those are ignoring spending money on Jacoby Ellsbury, who had a clear history of missing tons of games. Getting Stanton was more like giving Mark Sanchez his lipstick contract than getting a player we needed (full disclosure: I was 100% in favor of getting Stanton--because I was pissed off/butthurt otherwise at the roster management).
I'm admittedly being lazy about researching other teams and who they've brought up--including players they've traded at deadlines--but I don't think the list of teams doing a better job ends at TB, HOU, LAD. Every team in our division has had more players come up in their system and make them playoff teams than we have. Boston has done a ridiculous job of promoting and churning talent.
The only position I think this team has done (ridiculously) well on developing is relief pitching. Hopefully, King and Schmidt don't turn into pumpkins next year, and it would be nice if Peraza, Volpe, Torres were the infield left of first for a long time. It would go a long way towards reversing the awful trend we've been on for ages. And FFS, please let Jasson recover quickly/well! But assuming all these guys work out, it'll be the first time in a very long time this many guys coming through the system had significant success.f
Manny Machado is at 2.5 WAR this year and has one of the top 10 worst contract values in MLB.
Anthony Volpe has put up a 3.1 WAR this season
So as I was saying
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 11, 2023, 02:51:50 PM
Their player dev isn’t bad. I’ve made most of the points I would make again already in this thread. It isn’t better than TB HOU LAD, but there aren’t really many strong arguments ahead of them after that.But they need to sign big free agents because they haven't developed that many players. The draft history isn't good. The free agent history hasn't been good. Recently, the trades haven't been as good either.
The problem this entire time dating back to early 2000s is the management of the MLB roster. Yankees fans thirst for the big contracts, and they mostly bite us in the derriere.
Also, Machado was top 3 in the NL MVP voting in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Theoretically, the Yankees could have signed him to the Padres deal in 2019, gotten 2 elite seasons and 1 very good short season with him, and then let him walk when he opted out if they wanted to give Volpe and Peraza a shot. The timing would have worked out perfectly, and maybe Machado could have made a difference the previous few years.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 11, 2023, 04:24:12 PM
Manny Machado is at 2.5 WAR this year and has one of the top 10 worst contract values in MLB.
Anthony Volpe has put up a 3.1 WAR this season
So as I was saying
I quote WAR sometimes. I hate WAR. Donaldson's WAR last year was 2.3.
Machado has had a .344 OBP and .837 OPS in San Diego. The Yankees team numbers are lower in every year of the same period. Urshela's numbers in 2019 were better but other than that, 3B has been an offensive black hole. Again, hoping Peraza changes the trajectory there, but Manny would've been a huge upgrade at the position.
And if it were a one-or-the-other, my preference was always Harper--even with the injury history. But either would've been a much better upgrade to this team than any other player we've acquired since 2019 not named Gerrit. And they should've brought in both.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 11, 2023, 04:34:57 PM
But they need to sign big free agents because they haven't developed that many players. The draft history isn't good. The free agent history hasn't been good. Recently, the trades haven't been as good either.
The only thing I might disagree with is the draft history--because I firmly believe that lesser talent can be coached up and elite talent can stagnate with poor development. But it's a weak point because you can't prove chicken or egg--bad draftees or poor development (or both).
Otherwise, you're spot on. They have to dump loads of cash into staying competitive because that's what keeps the stands full, and YES in living rooms.
Also, Machado was top 3 in the NL MVP voting in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Theoretically, the Yankees could have signed him to the Padres deal in 2019, gotten 2 elite seasons and 1 very good short season with him, and then let him walk when he opted out if they wanted to give Volpe and Peraza a shot. The timing would have worked out perfectly, and maybe Machado could have made a difference the previous few years.
Right. Manny would've vastly improved this offense. Yes, I can get behind SFD's stance that we should be creating our own Machados, but we're not. At least we haven't since Mike Pagliarulo. We've gone an awfully long time since developing a 3B (though it's a position we've done pretty good at filling via trade/FA--Donaldson aside).
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2023, 12:56:13 PM
Post by: IATA on September 15, 2023, 11:50:02 AM
hahah
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2023, 08:25:12 PM
Clinches a .500 season, too.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2023, 09:20:49 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on September 27, 2023, 10:59:14 PM
The only thing I might disagree with is the draft history--because I firmly believe that lesser talent can be coached up and elite talent can stagnate with poor development. But it's a weak point because you can't prove chicken or egg--bad draftees or poor development (or both).
Otherwise, you're spot on. They have to dump loads of cash into staying competitive because that's what keeps the stands full, and YES in living rooms.
Right. Manny would've vastly improved this offense. Yes, I can get behind SFD's stance that we should be creating our own Machados, but we're not. At least we haven't since Mike Pagliarulo. We've gone an awfully long time since developing a 3B (though it's a position we've done pretty good at filling via trade/FA--Donaldson aside).
They actually were developing an excellent third baseman in the late 90's...
...only to trade him for Ed Yarnell. Oooof. Hope the GM didn't lose his job for that blunder!
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 28, 2023, 09:01:33 AM
They actually were developing an excellent third baseman in the late 90's...
...only to trade him for Ed Yarnell. Oooof. Hope the GM didn't lose his job for that blunder!
Why would you do this? Haven't we all been through enough?
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 28, 2023, 12:12:15 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on October 02, 2023, 05:04:28 PM
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Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2023, 05:11:22 PM
Problems are way deeper than Boone. He's a replacement-level manager. He's more of a symbol of Yankees poor decision-making in recent years at this point.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 02, 2023, 06:54:35 PM
I'd like to see what happens once they've revamped the analytics department. It's pretty clear now that Cashman didn't make his roster moves in a bubble, so maybe with a new group things will change. He's well-respected around the league, so there's got to be a reason.
Post by: guinness77 on October 02, 2023, 09:01:48 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 03, 2023, 05:31:53 AM
I got plenty of problems being a Mets fan but how do Cashman and Boone still have jobs?? I know you guys are big fans, do you have an answer for this? You can’t be happy about this, I’d imagine.
I've been calling for Cashman's job for 2 decades. Weirdly, I'm practicing a little patience right now because I'm curious to see if a change in some of the office staff has a positive effect.
I like Boone. I've said it more times than I can count. He's good at what his job is: be good with the media, follow the front office directives on in-game management, and be good with modern-day players.
I'm excited that Judge wants to talk to Hal about how they use analytics and maybe prioritize differently than they have been. I hope he says "Dump SLG and promote OBP/AVG and FFS strikeouts suck!"
Post by: guinness77 on October 03, 2023, 08:42:30 AM
I've been calling for Cashman's job for 2 decades. Weirdly, I'm practicing a little patience right now because I'm curious to see if a change in some of the office staff has a positive effect.See, from the outside looking in, I have 2 huge complaints…1 towards each guy. Boone cannot manage a bullpen. Period. He fucked so many games up, it’s actually staggering to me. I guess you can argue maybe his bullpen isn’t great to begin with but so many times he took out a guy doing fine and put in people “just because the game works like that now.” A guy who played, from his family, should know better.
I like Boone. I've said it more times than I can count. He's good at what his job is: be good with the media, follow the front office directives on in-game management, and be good with modern-day players.
I'm excited that Judge wants to talk to Hal about how they use analytics and maybe prioritize differently than they have been. I hope he says "Dump SLG and promote OBP/AVG and FFS strikeouts suck!"
Cashman…he’s been terrible for awhile now. He’s made some incredibly shitty trades and, the gripe with him from my perspective, you had guys who just wanted to be Yankees (especially Harper) who should have been no-brainers and then you’re picking guys off a scrap heap to replace the guy you should have gotten. He got to play with a bank vault for awhile, and once other franchise’s caught up I think Cashman was exposed as a fraud.
I’m not sure you’ll all agree, you certainly watch way more of the Yankees than I do. But, when you are the decision makers for a storied franchise, you just have to do better. That’s just my two cents. I mean, Christ, Harper would hit 60 HRs a year playing 81 games in that stadium. That should have been Cashman’s easiest move.
Post by: Badger on October 03, 2023, 09:38:04 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 03, 2023, 10:32:54 AM
See, from the outside looking in, I have 2 huge complaints…1 towards each guy. Boone cannot manage a bullpen. Period. He fucked so many games up, it’s actually staggering to me. I guess you can argue maybe his bullpen isn’t great to begin with but so many times he took out a guy doing fine and put in people “just because the game works like that now.” A guy who played, from his family, should know better.
But that's exactly the issue. Boone likely has little say over when he pulls guys and uses pen arms. Probably the only guy he has free reign to allow to pitch if he demands it is Cole.
Even before he was hired it was semi-public info that whoever the Yankees hired had to be willing to follow the directives of the analytic team during games. Boone was amenable to that, and he fit the other parts of the job: player-friendly plus already established/good with the media.
Cashman…he’s been terrible for awhile now. He’s made some incredibly shitty trades and, the gripe with him from my perspective, you had guys who just wanted to be Yankees (especially Harper) who should have been no-brainers and then you’re picking guys off a scrap heap to replace the guy you should have gotten. He got to play with a bank vault for awhile, and once other franchise’s caught up I think Cashman was exposed as a fraud.
I don't know many (or any) Yankees fans who will tell you they didn't want Harper. I was furious.
The question I have now, and this is largely from leaked info that's been spilling out over the second half of this year, is how much has Cashman been getting overruled by the analytic staff? If the choices have been made by group decision, and the overall group is bad at it, Cashman might deserve a chance to make his own decisions.
We'll see over the next few months. I'm willing to give him one more chance here.
I’m not sure you’ll all agree, you certainly watch way more of the Yankees than I do. But, when you are the decision makers for a storied franchise, you just have to do better. That’s just my two cents. I mean, Christ, Harper would hit 60 HRs a year playing 81 games in that stadium. That should have been Cashman’s easiest move.
The question with Harper has always been "Whose decision was it?" Was it Cashman thinking he could do without him? Was it the analytics team that determined he wasn't worth the cost? Or was it Hal Steinbrenner who told the fans he was saving the piggybank for a big splurge then decided to not spend it?
The one thing playing against Cashman in my mind though is, he tried to shortchange Derek Jeter. That's a significant smoke/fire mark against him. But again, if he's been doing all of this on bad advice, maybe a change in voices will help.
Post by: guinness77 on October 03, 2023, 11:39:50 AM
The other part of your post is the Hal Steinbrenner part. If the old man was still alive, I suspect Boone, Cashman AND the analytics team would all have been gone awhile ago. I know a lot of non-Yankee fans didn’t like George, and some of his practices were kinda unethical and illegal, but damn if that guy hated losing. You have to respect that (I did).
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 03, 2023, 12:52:14 PM
The comments around the team have not helped either. Boone's comments that the rest of the league "has closed the gap" on the Yankees never sat well, and it kind of crystallizes a lot of Yankees fans thoughts recently that the team has a much higher opinion of itself than it should. This team has been slowly degrading for years, and it should have been obvious, but they didn't seem to notice or care. It all came to a head this season, and the rest of the division is now younger and better, and that's a tough combination to beat. Combine that with the 'big decisions' recently mostly blowing up in the Yankees' faces, and you can absolutely argue Cashman can go. I've been a long-time Cashman defender, but not anymore.
Managers aren't that important, but I think Boone is a JAG. Mediocre bullpen manager. Hasn't always been good at communication with players or with the media despite appearing to be a really good guy. He's basically become a symbol of the Yankees' last few seasons of complacency.
And maybe it's spoiled to poo-poo the last few years since they have been consistently in the playoffs and they won the division last year. But compared to what this team looked like on paper when Boone took over, it's a massive disappointment for the Yankees to have declined this far. This was their worst year since I've been old enough to care. And it just seems like everyone is going to come back, and they're going to act like everything is fine, just like they have been the previous few years. There's been no urgency with this team over the years. Maybe this will create some urgency. We'll see.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 03, 2023, 01:23:22 PM
You hit a bit of what I’ve suspected is a problem for a lot of teams. And, you identified the problem I suppose. Is it the analytics or is it Cashman? They have to answer that question (as do the Mets) and figure out who goes and, I guess, who stays. The Mets fired Buck and he threw an arrow directly at the analytics team (I won’t even get into if Eppler leaked that info, I hate that lover of the older lady).
The other part of your post is the Hal Steinbrenner part. If the old man was still alive, I suspect Boone, Cashman AND the analytics team would all have been gone awhile ago. I know a lot of non-Yankee fans didn’t like George, and some of his practices were kinda unethical and illegal, but damn if that guy hated losing. You have to respect that (I did).
Yeah, I love Buck, and he should've been a lot more successful with the Mets' roster. I'm a complete outsider, but if I were to guess, he butted heads with the back-office squad because he's a prototypical manage-from-your-gut guy and they likely pushed "do what the spreadsheet says."
There's a balance to be struck. As SFD helped me realize, it's not analytics that's the problem, it's the interpretation. A mix of analytics and feel for the situation should be the default management style.
Conversations about George are complicated. I despised him as a kid. He was an awful owner who constantly meddled in the running of the team and fired guys like Yogi, Billy Martin, and Lou Pinella basically on whims. Post-suspension Boss was much better, but it's possibly only because the team was an established perennial winner at that point and by the time they took a downturn he was degrading physically.
Interestingly, George gave management of the team first to his daughter's husband who then screwed that up by cheating on her and then to the son more like him, Hank, who then passed away. Finally Hal took over because he was the end of the line. Which regardless of how I feel about him, is better than if they'd gone ahead with selling the team to Dolan.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 03, 2023, 01:34:40 PM
It looked like this team was on the verge of a great run when Boone took over, full of young, cost-controlled talent. The Yankees never took advantage of that opportunity to really go all in and spend money to build a championship roster, instead just hoping a very good team could get hot in October and win. It didn't work. Then a lot of the young players regressed for whatever reason.
The comments around the team have not helped either. Boone's comments that the rest of the league "has closed the gap" on the Yankees never sat well, and it kind of crystallizes a lot of Yankees fans thoughts recently that the team has a much higher opinion of itself than it should. This team has been slowly degrading for years, and it should have been obvious, but they didn't seem to notice or care. It all came to a head this season, and the rest of the division is now younger and better, and that's a tough combination to beat. Combine that with the 'big decisions' recently mostly blowing up in the Yankees' faces, and you can absolutely argue Cashman can go. I've been a long-time Cashman defender, but not anymore.
Managers aren't that important, but I think Boone is a JAG. Mediocre bullpen manager. Hasn't always been good at communication with players or with the media despite appearing to be a really good guy. He's basically become a symbol of the Yankees' last few seasons of complacency.
And maybe it's spoiled to poo-poo the last few years since they have been consistently in the playoffs and they won the division last year. But compared to what this team looked like on paper when Boone took over, it's a massive disappointment for the Yankees to have declined this far. This was their worst year since I've been old enough to care. And it just seems like everyone is going to come back, and they're going to act like everything is fine, just like they have been the previous few years. There's been no urgency with this team over the years. Maybe this will create some urgency. We'll see.
Who has really regressed? Some point at Gleyber, but he's the epitome of a streaky player. As SFD has pointed out a few times, a lot of the guys who were billed as blue chip prospects never really were. Severino is really the only guy who looked legit like a star and then took a nosedive.
I've already made my case with Boone. I think he gets way too much blame for poor outcomes. He does the job he was hired for.
The Yankees decline is largely a product of Boss-like conduct. They spent money on aging stars and not done a good job of internal player development. But I'll keep banging the drum on organizational philosophy. There's too much emphasis on hit home runs and don't worry about Ks, and not enough focus on make contact and move runners. It's okay to have a Stanton in the middle of the lineup who is all-or-nothing, but you can't have 5 or 6 of them. That's why I'm interested to see once Judge has spoken to Hal and once the "outside audit" is done. Use analytics...better.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 04, 2023, 06:33:36 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 10, 2023, 10:59:04 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 16, 2023, 05:27:14 PM
Good to see Jordan Montgomery, who wasn't good enough to make the Yankees playoff rotation, shutting down the Astros in the playoffs.*
Didn't Cashman say something like you have to give something to get something when he made the trade?
What exactly did we get from Bader, Brian?
*Copied from MLB thread
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2023, 01:43:28 PM
*
Didn't Cashman say something like you have to give something to get something when he made the trade?
What exactly did we get from Bader, Brian?
*Copied from MLB thread
It was a bad trade, but the 2022 postseason run he had
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2023, 01:43:56 PM
Tomorrow is Volpening Day
https://x.com/rawlingssports/status/1714700435662004402?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Let’s freaking Go
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2023, 03:29:34 PM
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2023, 07:09:46 PM
It was a bad trade, but the 2022 postseason run he hadNever forget
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 18, 2023, 07:34:14 PM
It was a bad trade, but the 2022 postseason run he had
Just have to wonder how much of a bigger impact Monty would've had. He certainly would've made a bigger difference this year. Spilled milk.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 18, 2023, 07:34:47 PM
https://x.com/chriskirschner/status/1714703438821433753?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Way too early, but Volpe definitely looks like a Cashman win.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2023, 10:02:43 PM
Just have to wonder how much of a bigger impact Monty would've had. He certainly would've made a bigger difference this year. Spilled milk.
If I remember correctly, the cards didn’t pitch him in their postseason series. And we had a better rotation than them
Yeah, spilt milk. I always liked Montgomery. Facts are that he’s been pitching substantially better the past 2 years than he ever did here. Good for him. Baseball players develop later more often than any other sport
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 19, 2023, 01:44:40 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2023, 02:22:35 PM
Outfielders have also been hard to come by. Just stinks Bader was hurt all this year. He was great last postseason.
This is one of my two biggest issues with Cashman/the analytics team.
I'm a big believer in character playing part in a player's performance (Dave Dombrowski apparently agrees), but more than that, I believe some guys just naturally get hurt and have a lower pain threshold than others. It doesn't matter what the back of your Topps card says if you can't get on the field.
Bader is one of those guys. Rodon is too, Ellsbury was. Stop bringing in guys with injury histories. Not that anyone's getting through their career without ever hitting the IL, but if a guy is on it every year--or multiple times in a year--he's unreliable.
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2023, 05:16:07 PM
This is one of my two biggest issues with Cashman/the analytics team.Yankees need to find their Mikal Bridges.
I'm a big believer in character playing part in a player's performance (Dave Dombrowski apparently agrees), but more than that, I believe some guys just naturally get hurt and have a lower pain threshold than others. It doesn't matter what the back of your Topps card says if you can't get on the field.
Bader is one of those guys. Rodon is too, Ellsbury was. Stop bringing in guys with injury histories. Not that anyone's getting through their career without ever hitting the IL, but if a guy is on it every year--or multiple times in a year--he's unreliable.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2023, 05:51:38 PM
Yankees need to find their Mikal Bridges.
I don't need a guy to play 162, but someone like Judge who only misses games when something happens to him is the kind of guy to rely on. (Even apart from the talent.)
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 19, 2023, 07:14:03 PM
Yankees need to find their Mikal Bridges.Unfortunately, Villanova baseball sucks.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 20, 2023, 09:24:35 AM
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2023, 10:37:57 AM
We need a young, non injury prone guy like Jasson DominguezTriggered
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 20, 2023, 10:49:53 AM
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+1
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 20, 2023, 11:00:30 AM
Just an interesting article regarding pain, but kind of supports my belief that some people just don't have the same threshold for pain as others.
My stance doesn't count tendon injuries, like Dominguez. There's no way to completely prevent those, and they're always accidental (or due to overuse). But guys who always have muscle injuries? Toughen up, cupcake. We have a certain OF/DH who needs to put on a pair of big boy pants once in a while and deal with running like an actual athlete and stop being a big baby.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 21, 2023, 12:04:44 AM
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/3189447371278-sorer-than-humanly-possible-people-with-neanderthal-genes-are-more-likely-to-be-sensitive-to-pain-study-finds?_f=app_share&s=a3&share_destination_id=MTExNzQ0ODU1LTE2OTcyNTQ1MjI2MzE%3D&pd=07YrwNVZ&hl=en_US&send_time=1697254522&actBtn=floatShareButton&trans_data=%7B%22platform%22%3A1%2C%22cv%22%3A%2223.36.1%22%2C%22languages%22%3A%22en%22%7D (https://www.newsbreak.com/news/3189447371278-sorer-than-humanly-possible-people-with-neanderthal-genes-are-more-likely-to-be-sensitive-to-pain-study-finds?_f=app_share&s=a3&share_destination_id=MTExNzQ0ODU1LTE2OTcyNTQ1MjI2MzE%3D&pd=07YrwNVZ&hl=en_US&send_time=1697254522&actBtn=floatShareButton&trans_data=%7B%22platform%22%3A1%2C%22cv%22%3A%2223.36.1%22%2C%22languages%22%3A%22en%22%7D)
Just an interesting article regarding pain, but kind of supports my belief that some people just don't have the same threshold for pain as others.
My stance doesn't count tendon injuries, like Dominguez. There's no way to completely prevent those, and they're always accidental (or due to overuse). But guys who always have muscle injuries? Toughen up, cupcake. We have a certain OF/DH who needs to put on a pair of big boy pants once in a while and deal with running like an actual athlete and stop being a big baby.
In todays sports world, those guys get held out by the trainers. They would be able to play through most of of those type of injuries but the idea is to try to be as healthy as possible for the stretch run/playoffs.
Also, baseball is such a hard game, even when you’re 100%. I will die on this hill that DJLM has had lingering injuries that he’s played though the last 2 years. It’s clearly affected his power and timing. You could do a whole case study on Stanton and his performance coming back from injury.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 21, 2023, 09:41:00 AM
In todays sports world, those guys get held out by the trainers. They would be able to play through most of of those type of injuries but the idea is to try to be as healthy as possible for the stretch run/playoffs.
Also, baseball is such a hard game, even when you’re 100%. I will die on this hill that DJLM has had lingering injuries that he’s played though the last 2 years. It’s clearly affected his power and timing. You could do a whole case study on Stanton and his performance coming back from injury.
I definitely think a lot of that is fair, and certainly, when a guy like DJ is clearly fighting through injuries (I agree with you about him) it's more hurtful than gainful. And I certainly don't care like the media/some fans who cry because Stanton doesn't run out a ground ball to second. But dude's always "hurt."
It's certainly not as bad as a guy like Ellsbury, but I just see this is overall as one more mark against this analytics team. They value the back of the baseball card so much that they ignore it's a human being on the front. Montas and Bader came here with injuries that weren't insignificant.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 24, 2023, 10:23:51 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2023, 07:42:15 AM
The diamondbacks won 2 more regular season games than our asscheeks team lolI hope Arizona gives Ross Atkins a world series ring for spreading his derriere cheeks in the Gabriel Moreno trade
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 25, 2023, 07:52:06 AM
I hope Arizona gives Ross Atkins a world series ring for spreading his derriere cheeks in the Gabriel Moreno trade
From someone that’s witnessed a lot of bad baseball trades recently, that was a godawful one. You can argue that Moreno and Gurriel jump started the DBacks rebuild and put them in the WS
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2023, 08:03:17 AM
From someone that’s witnessed a lot of bad baseball trades recently, that was a godawful one. You can argue that Moreno and Gurriel jump started the DBacks rebuild and put them in the WS
I thought Atkins would've been fired (not just for that trade, but for a myriad of reasons), but it seems he found an immunity idol like Brian Cashman.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 01, 2023, 09:24:11 PM
We can put the “Brian Cashman didn’t want Bryce Harper!” narrative to rest finally
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 02, 2023, 10:37:32 AM
https://x.com/gloverdarius/status/1719864590396256689?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
We can put the “Brian Cashman didn’t want Bryce Harper!” narrative to rest finally
Because they spoke?
Boras could've said "We want 10 years, $250M" and Cashman could've said "Eat dicks."
And IIRC, Harper said he never even spoke to the Yankees. Talking to Boras is one thing, but to never even have a conversation with the player? Come on, man. This isn't worth the argument, but let's not pretend Cashman is just an innocent guy who did everything he could to get a generational player who wanted to be here in pinstripes.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 02, 2023, 10:38:31 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2023, 11:13:15 AM
Because they spoke?
Boras could've said "We want 10 years, $250M" and Cashman could've said "Eat dicks."
And IIRC, Harper said he never even spoke to the Yankees. Talking to Boras is one thing, but to never even have a conversation with the player? Come on, man. This isn't worth the argument, but let's not pretend Cashman is just an innocent guy who did everything he could to get a generational player who wanted to be here in pinstripes.
Not sure if you saw it, but the 2nd tweet in the thread implies that Cashman took it to Hal for approval
Edit: you genuinely think that Cashman had no interest in Harper? It was always a question of the price tag
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2023, 11:15:42 AM
And now I return to crying into my beer that Jordan Montgomery, Aroldis Chapman, Nathan Eovaldi, and Andrew motherfucking Heaney are World Series champs.
All of those guys were rightfully moved on from, bedsides Montgomery
Eovaldi put up a 4.5 ERA here and then had his 2nd (or 3rd?) Tommy Johns
Yankees fans despised Chapman and Heandawg
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2023, 11:18:21 AM
Not sure if you saw it, but the 2nd tweet in the thread implies that Cashman took it to Hal for approval
Edit: you genuinely think that Cashman had no interest in Harper? It was always a question of the price tag
The posts are probably here on this board, but we went through 2-3 years of a Hal psyop of telling the fanbase that we needed to reset the luxury tax so we could go all in on Machado or Harper
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2023, 11:51:15 AM
All of those guys were rightfully moved on from, bedsides MontgomeryI still liked Nasty Nate
Eovaldi put up a 4.5 ERA here and then had his 2nd (or 3rd?) Tommy Johns
Yankees fans despised Chapman and Heandawg
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2023, 12:16:58 PM
I still liked Nasty Nate
He got hurt in 2016 and didn’t pitch again until 2018, not sure what we could have done
I liked him, but 2016 NN had an extremely hittable fastball (I think sinker) and he didn’t have an out pitch.
Boston (or the TJ) fixed his career unfortunatley
Strikeouts per 9
2015-2016: 7
2018: 8
2019-2021: ~9.5
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 02, 2023, 12:45:38 PM
Not sure if you saw it, but the 2nd tweet in the thread implies that Cashman took it to Hal for approval
Edit: you genuinely think that Cashman had no interest in Harper? It was always a question of the price tag
Yeah, I didn't see it. Hal's a dipshit.
But how did Cashman then get the okay to bring in Stanton? If he argued that they needed Stanton, then he should've fought harder for Harper.
I think it's safe to say there's a problem in the front office, and it's not just the analytics team.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 02, 2023, 12:48:02 PM
All of those guys were rightfully moved on from, bedsides Montgomery
Eovaldi put up a 4.5 ERA here and then had his 2nd (or 3rd?) Tommy Johns
Yankees fans despised Chapman and Heandawg
Montgomery is just infuriating. I hated it then, I hate it more now.
I'm with you on the rest and I wasn't throwing excrement at Cashman for this one. Just frustrating watching former Yankees raise the trophy. Especially Andrew motherfucking Heaney.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2023, 01:09:49 PM
I still liked Nasty Nate
Devil man...666...naughty jungle of love! NOOOOOOOOOO!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 06, 2023, 11:28:43 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2023, 12:19:13 PM
Volp Glove
we had 3 this year
Berrios
Chapman
Kiermaier
2 of them wont' be on the roster next season.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 06, 2023, 01:15:16 PM
Volp Glove
Obviously, still way too early but Volpe looks like a big positive on Cashman's ledger.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 07, 2023, 01:40:12 PM
Why would Brian Cashman do this?
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 07, 2023, 02:47:27 PM
Hal Steinbrenner: "I do believe that a team shouldn't need a $300 million payroll. The Rangers didn't, the Astros didn't. What you need is a good mix of veteran players and young players. We're going to get a bit younger."
Why would Brian Cashman do this?
In fairness, he's not "wrong."
But you have to build the farm to make the high-ticket items the final splurge to round out a roster. And ever since the Core-4 (plus Bernie), they've been inept in doing this.
And that's on the front office. Whether that's specifically Cashman or not, I don't know. But he's the face, so he gets the blame.
But Judge, Peraza, and Volpe is a helluva start in the right direction. Let's hope Wells continues the trend as well. Though please go splurge on Soto and Bellinger and Yamamoto. Wouldn't mind a Blake Snell too.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 07, 2023, 02:50:10 PM
Soto, Judge, and Bellinger in the outfield completely changes the lineup.
Post by: Badger on November 07, 2023, 03:50:48 PM
Do you trade Dominguez for Soto? I would.Yes.
Soto, Judge, and Bellinger in the outfield completely changes the lineup.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 07, 2023, 05:17:55 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 07, 2023, 05:24:25 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 07, 2023, 06:04:51 PM
He called it embarrassing that he was given a platform considering he got worse after leaving the organization.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 07, 2023, 06:05:12 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 07, 2023, 07:03:16 PM
I also think it sounds like a guy who is going to take a big swing. If you're going to talk like that, you think you would need to win now. But if he really is that secure, maybe there is no urgency.
I appreciate how candid Cashman is with some things, whether it's admitting Stanton is injury-prone, or saying we need to get more lefties, and mentioning our glut of infielders. Sounds like they will be shipping Torres or Peraza for a lefty outfielder if they get their way.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 08, 2023, 08:39:22 AM
Could this be like '09, where we wind up with 3 big-ticket items? He pulls in Soto, Bellinger, and Yamamoto it will actually be a Cashman masterclass.
I really hope if he trades one of the infielders it's Peraza and not Torres. I know Gleyber is always the first name because of the end of his arbitration years, but he's proven himself good enough offensively to make up for any defensive miscues.
LaMahieu 3B
Bellinger CF
Judge RF
Soto LF
Stanton DH
Rizzo 1B
Gleyber 2B
Wells C
Volpe SS
Cole, Yamamoto, Rodon, Cortes, King/Schmidt/etc.
That looks like someone put in a cheat code.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 08, 2023, 10:04:44 AM
Lol, lmao
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 08, 2023, 10:05:26 AM
Cashman mentioned needing two outfielders and pitching.
Could this be like '09, where we wind up with 3 big-ticket items? He pulls in Soto, Bellinger, and Yamamoto it will actually be a Cashman masterclass.
I really hope if he trades one of the infielders it's Peraza and not Torres. I know Gleyber is always the first name because of the end of his arbitration years, but he's proven himself good enough offensively to make up for any defensive miscues.
LaMahieu 3B
Bellinger CF
Judge RF
Soto LF
Stanton DH
Rizzo 1B
Gleyber 2B
Wells C
Volpe SS
Cole, Yamamoto, Rodon, Cortes, King/Schmidt/etc.
That looks like someone put in a cheat code.
Ok how much money are they spending to do that?
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 08, 2023, 11:56:06 AM
Ok how much money are they spending to do that?
I believe the answer is truckloads.
Correction, fuckloads.
Cashman's own words were that we need two outfielders and we're always in the market for pitching. We know Yamamoto is on the radar and we know he's talked to SD about Soto. Bellinger isn't a stretch if we're looking for 2 OF.
It's going to cost money if he wants to get what he says he wants to get. That, or he's gonna try some dumpster diving BS that's not going to improve the team. Hal wants to spend less money, but was careful to add that he'd sign off for the "right" players. I think these 3 all qualify.
Post by: Badger on November 08, 2023, 02:35:07 PM
Ok how much money are they spending to do that?Cashman is gonna have to start a Live NPC stream on TikTok to pay for it
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2023, 07:57:33 AM
Quote
Jared Carrabis
@Jared_Carrabis
If the Yankees trade for Alex Verdugo, you gotta figure Aaron Judge has to do the right thing and give up No. 99 for him.
do the needful, Aaron.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 10, 2023, 08:57:17 AM
It makes no sense but neither did trading for Dosh Johnaldson
Post by: Heismanberg on November 10, 2023, 09:14:21 AM
If the Yankees actually trade Gleyber for Verdugo I will kms
It makes no sense but neither did trading for Dosh Johnaldson
(https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/mlb/players/full/33786.png)
Krispy Kreme Verdugo
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 10, 2023, 09:44:52 AM
Reported for crime against humanity
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 10, 2023, 12:08:20 PM
If the Yankees actually trade Gleyber for Verdugo I will kms
It makes no sense but neither did trading for Dosh Johnaldson
There will be no redeeming Cashman if he pulls that excrement.
When I saw that story, I can't even describe the rage I felt. It better be bullshit. In what world would it make any sense? You wanna package Gleyber in a move for Soto? Okay, I can buy into that. You wanna trade him to the RED SOX for that POS? FOH
Post by: Badger on November 10, 2023, 01:10:31 PM
If the Yankees actually trade Gleyber for Verdugo I will kmsSuicide pact
It makes no sense but neither did trading for Dosh Johnaldson