Jet Offensive
New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2021, 09:28:20 AM
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Now that Robert Saleh is the next coach of the New York Jets, it's time to move on to the next part of the offseason: Free Agency
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I think our top target should be New England Patriots* Guard Joe Thuney. Continue to build the wall.
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Now that Robert Saleh is the next coach of the New York Jets, it's time to move on to the next part of the offseason: Free Agency
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I think our top target should be New England Patriots* Guard Joe Thuney. Continue to build the wall.
Yes
I'd check in on Allen Robinson or Chris Godwin next
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thuney and a-rob plz
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Now that Robert Saleh is the next coach of the New York Jets, it's time to move on to the next part of the offseason: Free Agency
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I think our top target should be New England Patriots* Guard Joe Thuney. Continue to build the wall.
100% agree. As of right now I'd be comfortable with Becton-Thuney-McGovern-Elflein-Fant but I'd be happy to upgrade any of the latter three positions as well.
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I'd check in on Allen Robinson or Chris Godwin next
Haven't looked into San Francisco's passing offense enough yet to know who would be a good fit.
From the outside looking in at their roster, they seem to prefer YAC guys (Deebo, Aiyuk, James, Taylor). And obviously the tight end was a huge part of that offense with Kittle. We have to get better at TE.
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Haven't looked into San Francisco's passing offense enough yet to know who would be a good fit.
From the outside looking in at their roster, they seem to prefer YAC guys (Deebo, Aiyuk, James, Taylor). And obviously the tight end was a huge part of that offense with Kittle. We have to get better at TE.
Pitts or that kid from the U ...Brevin Jordan
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100% agree. As of right now I'd be comfortable with Becton-Thuney-McGovern-Elflein-Fant but I'd be happy to upgrade any of the latter three positions as well.
Thuney gets us a champion on the offensive line plus it's a swift kick to New England's* nuts.
You want to surround Becton and the QB with winners.
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Pitts or that kid from the U ...Brevin Jordan
Both of those guys are more like jumbo receivers. They could fill that role that Jordan Reed never could, because he was always hurt. Kittle is also the best blocking tight end in the NFL.
It'll be tough for them to replicate that production with anyone, but I think someone like Ohio State's Jeremy Ruckert in the mid rounds is a nice starting point. Not ready to give up on Herndon yet either, but he's a more of a TE2 at this point.
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Thuney gets us a champion on the offensive line plus it's a swift kick to New England's* nuts.
You want to surround Becton and the QB with winners.
Reminiscent of when we signed Faneca to put next to Brick
Thuney is younger and much better at this point in his career, but that move helped Brick immensely. Pete Kendall and Adrien Clarke started at LG his first 2 seasons.
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Now that Robert Saleh is the next coach of the New York Jets, it's time to move on to the next part of the offseason: Free Agency
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I think our top target should be New England Patriots* Guard Joe Thuney. Continue to build the wall.
I mentioned in the JO craft beer group text that Thuney was drafted right in between our Hackenberg and Jenkins picks. Sigh.
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Reminiscent of when we signed Faneca to put next to Brick
Thuney is younger and much better at this point in his career, but that move helped Brick immensely. Pete Kendall and Adrien Clarke started at LG his first 2 seasons.
Pete Kendall was good though.
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Pete Kendall was good though.
Kendall was also frequently injured and hated the team at that point. I that played some role in it.
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Haven't looked into San Francisco's passing offense enough yet to know who would be a good fit.
From the outside looking in at their roster, they seem to prefer YAC guys (Deebo, Aiyuk, James, Taylor). And obviously the tight end was a huge part of that offense with Kittle. We have to get better at TE.
That would indicate a preference for Godwin wouldn’t it? I also expect Crowder to feast in this offense.
As for TE I would assume our top TE target would be Freiermuth from Penn State given that he’s the best combo TW in the class. He’s a guy that might be available at 34.
I also suspect that we will be very high on Jaylen Waddle for this offense in the draft.
Where is the OSU Center Jason Myers going to get drafted? Grab that guy and install him as the pivot pushing McGovern to guard might be a way to upgrade two slots. Is it possible Myers is a 3rd round guy?
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Haven't looked into San Francisco's passing offense enough yet to know who would be a good fit.
From the outside looking in at their roster, they seem to prefer YAC guys (Deebo, Aiyuk, James, Taylor). And obviously the tight end was a huge part of that offense with Kittle. We have to get better at TE.
Kadarius Toney / Amon-Ra St. Brown
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Kadarius Toney / Amon-Ra St. Brown
Joka Toney is my son and he needs to be Jet.
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Need to draft Amon-Ra just for the thread names.
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Need to draft Amon-Ra just for the thread names.
And adding this to everyone's avatar.
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https://twitter.com/RSherman_25/status/1350143662219358208?s=20
Sherman, Williams and Hall 2021?
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Pitts or that kid from the U ...Brevin Jordan
Pitts is going top 15 maybe top 10
Hes going to be a scarier version of Darren Waller. Instantly making him more valuable than the 2nd tier of WRs imo
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I want Thuney and Godwin
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Sherman and Witherspoon or Sherman and Awuzie
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K'Waun Williams is going to be our top target from SF
Saleh supposedly loves Ronald Blair too
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Saleh supposedly loves Ronald Blair too
I'd love to see us get Blair here cheaply and have his knee hold up.
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We need some actual LBs now that we’re converting to 4-3
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We need some actual LBs now that we’re converting to 4-3
As someone who is ignorant on this topic, what type of LBs are needed, and besides CJ Groinly, who do we have already that could suffice? I know Hewitt is a good thumper, but he is too slow to cover. Is he worth keeping?
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Hire Keyshawn and Bart Scott just to roam the sidelines and fire players up, while making fun of players that freak up.
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I think our top target should be New England Patriots* Guard Joe Thuney. Continue to build the wall.
THIS.
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As someone who is ignorant on this topic, what type of LBs are needed, and besides CJ Groinly, who do we have already that could suffice? I know Hewitt is a good thumper, but he is too slow to cover. Is he worth keeping?
Hewitt is an awful fit.
We need smaller, more athletic linebackers.
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Hewitt is an awful fit.
We need smaller, more athletic linebackers.
I guess we could hang on to Luvu, Basham, Huff, and Blake Cashman's broken derriere as depth. All seem pretty athletic. Maybe Basham and Huff could push for playing time.
Obviously free agents are needed.
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I guess we could hang on to Luvu, Basham, Huff, and Blake Cashman's broken derriere as depth. All seem pretty athletic. Maybe Basham and Huff could push for playing time.
Obviously free agents are needed.
Huff will stick around, he plays a lot of special teams and has shown flashes on D. Heismanberg is a fan of Luvu, he's young and he's hard working and he seems to be improving so I can see him staying as well. Not sure there's a place for Basham or Cashman.
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Huff will stick around, he plays a lot of special teams and has shown flashes on D. Heismanberg is a fan of Luvu, he's young and he's hard working and he seems to be improving so I can see him staying as well. Not sure there's a place for Basham or Cashman.
Basham played well. Cashman hasn't stayed unbroken long enough to put on a jock strap.
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We need some actual LBs now that we’re converting to 4-3
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ILL KILL YOU
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Won’t Basham and Huff be DE’s in this system? I could see Huff playing LB but he would need to be rushing the passer a lot.
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Huff will stick around, he plays a lot of special teams and has shown flashes on D. Heismanberg is a fan of Luvu, he's young and he's hard working and he seems to be improving so I can see him staying as well. Not sure there's a place for Basham or Cashman.
its Langi SZN
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In so excited to be switching back to a 4-3. The 3-4 doesnt work as well against the new era of the nfl
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In so excited to be switching back to a 4-3. The 3-4 doesnt work as well against the new era of the nfl
What does this even mean? It's not like in today's league teams spend that much time in a base defense, be it 3-4 or 4-3 for that matter.
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I feel like moving from a 3-4 to a 4-3 will really give Blake Cashman time to shine in practice before he suffers a season ending injury two snaps into the season opener.
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I feel like moving from a 3-4 to a 4-3 will really give Blake Cashman time to shine in practice before he suffers a season ending injury in the locker room before the game.
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I agree, I was being far too generous.
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What does this even mean? It's not like in today's league teams spend that much time in a base defense, be it 3-4 or 4-3 for that matter.
True, but the ideal lb in each system is drastically different. This will allow us to get more athletic linebackers on the field that actually have a chance to cover rbs and tes
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What does this even mean? It's not like in today's league teams spend that much time in a base defense, be it 3-4 or 4-3 for that matter.
I'll throw a theory out from an offensive line perspective.
So the 3-4 was really popular in the 1970's, early 80's, back when linemen were just a bunch of interchangeable fat dudes all doing basically the same job. Then when the NFL started more heavily emphasizing the passing game in the late 80's, early 90's, the pass rush became the priority and teams started implementing the 4-3 more often. The fastest and least cluttered route to the quarterback is and always has been off the edge, so it makes sense to have down linemen whose primary role is to beat the most isolated of the interchangeable fat dudes, the tackles (especially the blindside tackle).
But the game continued to evolve and NFL offenses put more emphasis on finding and developing superfreak left tackles to pair with their four interchangeable fat dudes to negate that edge rush. That paved the way for the 3-4's resurgence, because why keep rushing the blindside, against the best athlete on the offensive line, when there are four perfectly good scrubs you could beat with an ever-changing combination of rushing linebackers?
That lead to the emergence of these superior athletes at the guard position in the 2000's: your Hutchinson's, your Faneca's, your Shields', etc. Quality interior linemen started getting big money, almost left tackle money. One superfreak and four fat kids just doesn't cut it anymore, and that's a point about which I've been slamming the table for years. You need high quality athletes at every position on the offensive line and most NFL teams have come around to that philosophy.
So, what's the modern NFL defense to do now that there aren't four fat kids to abuse anymore? Well you could pick on the one, dumb fat kid that every offensive line has, but most coordinators design schemes to minimize that liability. The next evolution becomes the first evolution: the fastest and least cluttered route to the quarterback is off the edge, so it makes sense to move back toward down defensive ends whose primary role is to rush the quarterback.
This is an extremely oversimplified view, and there's much more that can be said about coverage schemes and why you can't afford to have a Bart Scott or an Eric Barton or some other bruiser (someone who can take on a guard 10-15 times a game) regularly dropping into coverage or chasing down bubble screens anymore. (That's why we invested a high draft pick on a guy like Darron Lee who has no business whatsoever playing inside linebacker in a classic 3-4 front). And ultimately, Stoned is right: every team's base defense nowadays is some form of nickel. But I love seeing how the big dudes in the trenches can steer the evolution of the game.
Frankly, I'm just excited for the change of pace.
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I'll throw a theory out from an offensive line perspective.
So the 3-4 was really popular in the 1970's, early 80's, back when linemen were just a bunch of interchangeable fat dudes all doing basically the same job. Then when the NFL started more heavily emphasizing the passing game in the late 80's, early 90's, the pass rush became the priority and teams started implementing the 4-3 more often. The fastest and least cluttered route to the quarterback is and always has been off the edge, so it makes sense to have down linemen whose primary role is to beat the most isolated of the interchangeable fat dudes, the tackles (especially the blindside tackle).
But the game continued to evolve and NFL offenses put more emphasis on finding and developing superfreak left tackles to pair with their four interchangeable fat dudes to negate that edge rush. That paved the way for the 3-4's resurgence, because why keep rushing the blindside, against the best athlete on the offensive line, when there are four perfectly good scrubs you could beat with an ever-changing combination of rushing linebackers?
That lead to the emergence of these superior athletes at the guard position in the 2000's: your Hutchinson's, your Faneca's, your Shields', etc. Quality interior linemen started getting big money, almost left tackle money. One superfreak and four fat kids just doesn't cut it anymore, and that's a point about which I've been slamming the table for years. You need high quality athletes at every position on the offensive line and most NFL teams have come around to that philosophy.
So, what's the modern NFL defense to do now that there aren't four fat kids to abuse anymore? Well you could pick on the one, dumb fat kid that every offensive line has, but most coordinators design schemes to minimize that liability. The next evolution becomes the first evolution: the fastest and least cluttered route to the quarterback is off the edge, so it makes sense to move back toward down defensive ends whose primary role is to rush the quarterback.
This is an extremely oversimplified view, and there's much more that can be said about coverage schemes and why you can't afford to have a Bart Scott or an Eric Barton or some other bruiser (someone who can take on a guard 10-15 times a game) regularly dropping into coverage or chasing down bubble screens anymore. (That's why we invested a high draft pick on a guy like Darron Lee who has no business whatsoever playing inside linebacker in a classic 3-4 front). And ultimately, Stoned is right: every team's base defense nowadays is some form of nickel. But I love seeing how the big dudes in the trenches can steer the evolution of the game.
Frankly, I'm just excited for the change of pace.
Good read
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It’ll be interesting to see how our roster falls out under Saleh’s scheme.
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It’ll be interesting to see how our roster falls out under Saleh’s scheme.
Step 1: Extend Ficken
Step 2: Super Bowl.
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I'll throw a theory out from an offensive line perspective.
So the 3-4 was really popular in the 1970's, early 80's, back when linemen were just a bunch of interchangeable fat dudes all doing basically the same job. Then when the NFL started more heavily emphasizing the passing game in the late 80's, early 90's, the pass rush became the priority and teams started implementing the 4-3 more often. The fastest and least cluttered route to the quarterback is and always has been off the edge, so it makes sense to have down linemen whose primary role is to beat the most isolated of the interchangeable fat dudes, the tackles (especially the blindside tackle).
But the game continued to evolve and NFL offenses put more emphasis on finding and developing superfreak left tackles to pair with their four interchangeable fat dudes to negate that edge rush. That paved the way for the 3-4's resurgence, because why keep rushing the blindside, against the best athlete on the offensive line, when there are four perfectly good scrubs you could beat with an ever-changing combination of rushing linebackers?
That lead to the emergence of these superior athletes at the guard position in the 2000's: your Hutchinson's, your Faneca's, your Shields', etc. Quality interior linemen started getting big money, almost left tackle money. One superfreak and four fat kids just doesn't cut it anymore, and that's a point about which I've been slamming the table for years. You need high quality athletes at every position on the offensive line and most NFL teams have come around to that philosophy.
So, what's the modern NFL defense to do now that there aren't four fat kids to abuse anymore? Well you could pick on the one, dumb fat kid that every offensive line has, but most coordinators design schemes to minimize that liability. The next evolution becomes the first evolution: the fastest and least cluttered route to the quarterback is off the edge, so it makes sense to move back toward down defensive ends whose primary role is to rush the quarterback.
This is an extremely oversimplified view, and there's much more that can be said about coverage schemes and why you can't afford to have a Bart Scott or an Eric Barton or some other bruiser (someone who can take on a guard 10-15 times a game) regularly dropping into coverage or chasing down bubble screens anymore. (That's why we invested a high draft pick on a guy like Darron Lee who has no business whatsoever playing inside linebacker in a classic 3-4 front). And ultimately, Stoned is right: every team's base defense nowadays is some form of nickel. But I love seeing how the big dudes in the trenches can steer the evolution of the game.
Frankly, I'm just excited for the change of pace.
Just a damn good post Rueben.
I think JD agrees that we need more athletes on the OL and I expect a signing and relatively early pick (probably 34) to go towards solidifying that interior
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Most contested catches since 2018:
1. Allen Robinson II - 61
2. Kenny Golladay - 53
PFF
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Robinson or Juju.
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Juju.
Please no
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Please no
I want TikToks in the freaking endzone.
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Please no
We're giving him the Santonio contract and then some.
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I wouldn't take Juju for the minimum at this point.
freak that.
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I don't want Juju, but he probably fits into the shanahan offense better than most with his YAC ability and run blocking.
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If we're striking out on AR Godwin and Galladay.
The idea should at least be entertained. If Saleh doesn't want him.in the locker room though. I get it .
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If we're striking out on AR Godwin and Galladay.
The idea should at least be entertained. If Saleh doesn't want him.in the locker room though. I get it .
I'd prefer Corey Davis, or a mixture of Curtis Samuel and someone else than paying JuJu what he wants.
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If we can't sign Allen Robinson, we should go after Curtis Samuel. He is the best fit.
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My sources are telling me that Saleh is a big Greg Dortch guy
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My sources are telling me that Saleh is a big Greg Dortch guy
Greg Dortch isn’t even a bog Greg Dortch guy.
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If we can't sign Allen Robinson, we should go after Curtis Samuel. He is the best fit.
Is he likely to hit FA?
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Is he likely to hit FA?
I'm not sure they'll be able to pay him what he wants
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If we can't sign Allen Robinson, we should go after Curtis Samuel. He is the best fit.
Maybe we should go after Curtis samuel
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Michael Nania
@Michael_Nania
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3m
Usually I laugh at the concept of watching what players are liking to see where they might be going, but that's 3 times in 2 days now for Allen Robinson with liking Jets-related tweets
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Michael Nania
@Michael_Nania
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Usually I laugh at the concept of watching what players are liking to see where they might be going, but that's 3 times in 2 days now for Allen Robinson with liking Jets-related tweets
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1352354977738579969?s=21
Me so horny
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bro
SIGN ALLEN ROBINSON
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"Yo Allen, we even cut Bellamy so that you don't have to pay anyone for your number. What more do you want?"
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I mean Robinson is liking Jets stuff linked to Watson coming here.
I doubt he’d have much interest in us (besides money) if we don’t have Watson
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I mean Robinson is liking Jets stuff linked to Watson coming here.
I doubt he’d have much interest in us (besides money) if we don’t have Watson
Saleh is a draw too
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I mean Robinson is liking Jets stuff linked to Watson coming here.
I doubt he’d have much interest in us (besides money) if we don’t have Watson
ALL GAS NO BRAKES
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Cimini mentioned Keanu Neal as a potential target because of his ties to Jeff Ulbrich.
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Cimini mentioned Keanu Neal as a potential target because of his ties to Jeff Ulbrich.
I would think we’d be more interested in 49ers FAs but that makes some sense. But you can’t count on him to be healthy. Unless of course I have him confused with somebody else which seems to be happening a lot this week
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Cimini mentioned Keanu Neal as a potential target because of his ties to Jeff Ulbrich.
Had a nice bounce back year in 2020...after only playing 4 games in total in 2018 and 2019.
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Field Yates
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The 49ers have signed restricted free agent RB Jeff Wilson, Jr. to a one-year contract.
He set career-highs with 126 carries, 600 yards and 7 TD, playing great for the team late in the season.
That will strike Jeff Wilson off the Saleh wish list.
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Top projected FA WR yearly salaries, via @spotrac:
Allen Robinson: $20M
Chris Godwin: $17.1M
Kenny Golliday: $17.0M
Will Fuller: $16.9M
JuJu Smith-Schuster: $16.1M
Curtis Samuel: $12.4M
Sammy Watkins: $10.6M
Marvin Jones: $10.5M
T.Y. Hilton: $10.1M
Corey Davis: $9.8M
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Top projected FA WR yearly salaries, via @spotrac:
Allen Robinson: $20M
Chris Godwin: $17.1M
Kenny Golliday: $17.0M
Will Fuller: $16.9M
JuJu Smith-Schuster: $16.1M
Curtis Samuel: $12.4M
Sammy Watkins: $10.6M
Marvin Jones: $10.5M
T.Y. Hilton: $10.1M
Corey Davis: $9.8M
I would take Curtis Samuel and Corey Davis at those prices.
If we get Watson I’d go hard after Robinson, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see us priced out of the market as he approaches $20 million a year.
I also wonder how the lower cap affects the market in general. Do the even the top guys offers come down? Does the decrease in prices come with the 2nd tier? Are certain positions affected more than others?
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I would take Curtis Samuel and Corey Davis at those prices.
If we get Watson I’d go hard after Robinson, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see us priced out of the market as he approaches $20 million a year.
I also wonder how the lower cap affects the market in general. Do the even the top guys offers come down? Does the decrease in prices come with the 2nd tier? Are certain positions affected more than others?
They haven't what's going to happen with the cap yet
It's been rumored that depending on what they do, it can possibly increase a little
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Top projected FA WR yearly salaries, via @spotrac:
Allen Robinson: $20M
Chris Godwin: $17.1M
Kenny Golliday: $17.0M
Will Fuller: $16.9M
JuJu Smith-Schuster: $16.1M
Curtis Samuel: $12.4M
Sammy Watkins: $10.6M
Marvin Jones: $10.5M
T.Y. Hilton: $10.1M
Corey Davis: $9.8M
With what money are teams paying this
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With what money are teams paying this
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Quality troll
10/10
would read again
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Corey Davis getting less than T.Y. Hilton is laughable.
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Why is Will Fuller worth that much per season?
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Why is Will Fuller worth that much per season?
Yeah that's laughable
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Why is Will Fuller worth that much per season?
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Jet X’s #2 FA WR this offseason
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With the conversion to 4-3 Cover 3, I think Saleh and Ulbrich will want to bring back Marcus Maye and add Keanu Neal. I wouldn't be surprised if we draft several defensive backs either.
We need to look at the defensive rosters of San Francisco, Philly, and Atlanta because that's where our defensive staff is coming from.
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Philadelphia:
LB Duke Riley
LB Nate Gerry
CB Nickell Robey-Coleman
CB Cre'Von LeBlanc
S Jalen Mills
Atlanta:
S Keanu Neal
CB Blidi Wreh-Wilson
CB Darqueze Dennard
S Demontae Kazee
49ers:
EDGE Kerry Hyder
EDGE Ronald Blair
IDL D.J. Jones
CB Emmanuel Moseley
CB Jason Verrett
CB Ahkello Witherspoon
CB Richard Sherman
CB K'Waun Williams
CB Dontae Johnson
CB Jamar Taylor
S Marcell Harris
S Jaquiski Tartt
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Pretty sure we'll make a run at several of those secondary players from San Francisco
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Bring in Jason Verrett
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Philadelphia:
LB Duke Riley
LB Nate Gerry
CB Nickell Robey-Coleman
CB Cre'Von LeBlanc
S Jalen Mills
Atlanta:
S Keanu Neal
CB Blidi Wreh-Wilson
CB Darqueze Dennard
S Demontae Kazee
49ers:
EDGE Kerry Hyder
EDGE Ronald Blair
IDL D.J. Jones
CB Emmanuel Moseley
CB Jason Verrett
CB Ahkello Witherspoon
CB Richard Sherman
CB K'Waun Williams
CB Dontae Johnson
CB Jamar Taylor
S Marcell Harris
S Jaquiski Tartt
If you're Joe D, who are the top 3 targets
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If you're Joe D, who are the top 3 targets
Most of these guys are second and third tier free agents that would help jumpstart Saleh's scheme on defense.
I think Richard Sherman, Kerry Hyder, K'Waun Williams, and Keanu Neal are the ones to go after. Those guys coming free from Philly are mostly trash.
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Philly will probably make a couple of cap related cuts that could result in some players to pick up, as well.
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Most of these guys are second and third tier free agents that would help jumpstart Saleh's scheme on defense.
I think Richard Sherman, Kerry Hyder, K'Waun Williams, and Keanu Neal are the ones to go after. Those guys coming free from Philly are mostly trash.
Is Keanu neal actually still good
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Is Keanu neal actually still good
He was the starting strong safety for the defense that our new DC ran. He's a relatively low-cost scheme fit.
I'd take Neal over Tartt for the third safety role behind Maye and Davis.
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1358453953885851653?s=19
Oh well
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1358453953885851653?s=19
Oh well
This is why i never get my hopes up about potental FAs until AFTER franchise tags are handed out.
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This is why i never get my hopes up about potental FAs until AFTER franchise tags are handed out.
Yep. It's like looking at your options of girls at the club at 10 PM, then again at closing time when your real options are on display.
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Yep. It's like looking at your options of girls at the club at 10 PM, then again at closing time when your real options are on display.
perfect analogy.
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I'm in Tampa
His first words were all about moving heaven and earth just to keep the roster intact because he feels they can repeat just by adding Yong guys for depth
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Godwin goes nowhere unless he wants to be a top 5 paid WR
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I can't see them.being able to afford Lavonte David and Shaq Barrett though
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Godwin goes nowhere unless he wants to be a top 5 paid WR
Godwin seems like the perfect guy to leave if they keep Antonio Brown. Brown is still legitimately good, and he and Evans are a great combo. Scotty Miller and Tyler Johnson are fine depth options.
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I'm in Tampa
His first words were all about moving heaven and earth just to keep the roster intact because he feels they can repeat just by adding Yong guys for depth
I don't think Chinese dudes play a lot of football, but Brady knows a lot about guys. I guess he like Chinese guys.
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I don't think Chinese dudes play a lot of football, but Brady knows a lot about guys. I guess he like Chinese guys.
Andrew Yang for QB 2024
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Ok, that shitfest of a season is officially over. New coach, new staff, lots of $$$, full cupboard of draft picks. Official predictions, go.
-Watson either holds out for the year in a dick measuring contest with the Texans or Douglas reaches his trade limit and he goes elsewhere.
-Darnold stays as QB. Sign generic, smart veteran backup. James Morgan continues to be invisible.
-Douglas trades down from 2, stockpiles picks. Doug sees the haul from trade down as more valuable than a rookie QB right now. Manages to secure an extra 1st or 2nd rounder for 2022.
-Jets sign Thuney or Scherff, re-sign Elflein, bail on Alex Lewis and Van Roten, keep Fant, draft a gord in the 2nd or 3rd round. Wouldn't be shocked to see Lewis or Van Roten come back on cheaper deals later in FA as depth. Cam Clark no longer absent.
-Jets bring back Josh Adams, keep Ty Johnson and roll with them and Perine at RB on the cheap.
-Keep Crowder (possibly extend him), Vyyyyy Syyyyy, Berrios, obviously Mims, sign Will Fuller (or another speed guy), draft one in the first round.
-TE doesn't change much. Wesco blocking role expands. Herndon gets a fresh start.
-D-line stays similar except Henry Anderson sent packing. Jets add a faster d-lineman in free agency to bolster pass rush.
-LB complete overhaul except Mosley. This is the biggest change in the team. Honestly, no idea who they bring in, but expect guys Salad has experience with or playing against. Speed needed. Blake Cashman becomes an elite All-Pro and definitely doesn't break his leg driving to the stadium.
-Maye comes back on new deal or tag. Sign Keanu Neal. Davis has big role in nickel.
- Jets draft a corner in the 2nd or 3rd, sign a solid veteran corner (serviceable), let Hall compete to start, let Bless and Lamar stay as depth.
-Sign average, veteran kicker who has been around for a while, finally quit it with the no-name cheapos.
I don't foresee any huge splashes in free agency, but a few big signings.
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Darnold stays as QB.
No
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Ok, that shitfest of a season is officially over. New coach, new staff, lots of $$$, full cupboard of draft picks. Official predictions, go.
-Watson either holds out for the year in a dick measuring contest with the Texans or Douglas reaches his trade limit and he goes elsewhere.
-Darnold stays as QB. Sign generic, smart veteran backup. James Morgan continues to be invisible.
-Douglas trades down from 2, stockpiles picks. Doug sees the haul from trade down as more valuable than a rookie QB right now. Manages to secure an extra 1st or 2nd rounder for 2022.
-Jets sign Thuney or Scherff, re-sign Elflein, bail on Alex Lewis and Van Roten, keep Fant, draft a gord in the 2nd or 3rd round. Wouldn't be shocked to see Lewis or Van Roten come back on cheaper deals later in FA as depth. Cam Clark no longer absent.
-Jets bring back Josh Adams, keep Ty Johnson and roll with them and Perine at RB on the cheap.
-Keep Crowder (possibly extend him), Vyyyyy Syyyyy, Berrios, obviously Mims, sign Will Fuller (or another speed guy), draft one in the first round.
-TE doesn't change much. Wesco blocking role expands. Herndon gets a fresh start.
-D-line stays similar except Henry Anderson sent packing. Jets add a faster d-lineman in free agency to bolster pass rush.
-LB complete overhaul except Mosley. This is the biggest change in the team. Honestly, no idea who they bring in, but expect guys Salad has experience with or playing against. Speed needed. Blake Cashman becomes an elite All-Pro and definitely doesn't break his leg driving to the stadium.
-Maye comes back on new deal or tag. Sign Keanu Neal. Davis has big role in nickel.
- Jets draft a corner in the 2nd or 3rd, sign a solid veteran corner (serviceable), let Hall compete to start, let Bless and Lamar stay as depth.
-Sign average, veteran kicker who has been around for a while, finally quit it with the no-name cheapos.
I don't foresee any huge splashes in free agency, but a few big signings.
- Bo purchases arbys roast beef sammiches...sends them north to Winnipeg.
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No
Prepare your anus.
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If we kept Darnold and the best we could do was Willie Snead
You go to hell good sir lol
If we keep Darnold a trade down from 2 needs to immediately be Chase Smith or Pitts
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If we kept Darnold and the best we could do was Willie Snead
You go to hell good sir lol
If we keep Darnold a trade down from 2 needs to immediately be Chase Smith or Pitts
Snead? I did say draft a first round WR.
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We're not keeping Darnold. He has no ties to the current regime and he hasn't established anything concrete with this franchise in 3 years.
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Realsitically though we will have a ton of options . Just curious to see how this fleshes out
I'd say Griffen Witherspoon Sherman Neal King should all be targets at DB
If we don't keep Poole (we should) then K Juan Williams is a target
Hendrickson should he an edge target. Him and Q on the same DL is intriguing in this system
Need a real FB too .
Anything else has pretty much been discussed to death so yeah let's see what happens
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Snead? I did say draft a first round WR.
My fault I mustve overlooked it
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We're not keeping Darnold. He has no ties to the current regime.
Just my guess, not my opinion. I don't think we get Watson and don't care enough about any of the other big name QBs. I don't think Douglas wants to draft a QB at 2 when he could flip it for more picks. That leaves Darnold. I don't think it matters who drafted him. It's an unemotional decision. I'm betting he thinks Darnold can be revived in this system to play at least as well as whatever rookie he could draft.
The wildcards are if someone offers a huge haul for Darnold, or the stars align for Watson. I think Douglas isn't tied to Darnold enough that he wouldn't trade him for the right deal, but I don't think we will get that offer. Same with Watson. I think Douglas will quit bidding at his price, which won't be as high as ours would have been, or something else happens.
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Just my guess, not my opinion. I don't think we get Watson and don't care enough about any of the other big name QBs. I don't think Douglas wants to draft a QB at 2 when he could flip it for more picks. That leaves Darnold. I don't think it matters who drafted him. It's an unemotional decision. I'm betting he thinks Darnold can be revived in this system to play at least as well as whatever rookie he could draft.
The wildcards are if someone offers a huge haul for Darnold, or the stars align for Watson. I think Douglas isn't tied to Darnold enough that he wouldn't trade him for the right deal, but I don't think we will get that offer. Same with Watson. I think Douglas will quit bidding at his price, which won't be as high as ours would have been, or something else happens.
it does matter who drafted him, because those people have invested in Darnold. There's no investment from Saleh or Douglas, and chances are they're probably not going to want to tie their careers to a kid they didn't draft, especially since he hasn't been very good.
Watson will be a pipe dream until he isn't. If it happens, great. But i'm sure Douglas isn't going into this offseason making Watson his #1 priority....too many variables there.
I also don't think Douglas trades back, unless he has someone like Trey Lance ranked higher than Fields/Wilson. I'm convinced finding a QB at the draft is Doug's top priority.
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it does matter who drafted him, because those people have invested in Darnold. There's no investment from Saleh or Douglas, and chances are they're probably not going to want to tie their careers to a kid they didn't draft, especially since he hasn't been very good.
Watson will be a pipe dream until he isn't. If it happens, great. But i'm sure Douglas isn't going into this offseason making Watson his #1 priority....too many variables there.
I also don't think Douglas trades back, unless he has someone like Trey Lance ranked higher than Fields/Wilson. I'm convinced finding a QB at the draft is Doug's top priority.
I don't think it's crazy to have Watson as part of this offseason plan. We are uniquely positioned to potentially trade for him if he gets dealt before this year's draft. And if we trade down and collect more future picks, we could be uniquely positioned to trade for him closer to the start of the season. The only other team that can offer multiple firsts is Detroit, and we can add more draft assets this year.
If we do decide to roll with Darnold, part of the calculus could be that keeping Darnold leaves the door open for an August Watson trade more than drafting someone at #2 overall. Obviously, this is dependent on still having faith that Sam can be the man, otherwise, it's too risky to pass up the QBs in this year's draft for a trade that may or may not happen.
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I think the QB question comes down to 2 factors:
1) Is Watson available and affordable? If so, Douglas has to pull that trigger.
2) What are the offers for the #2 pick? If someone offers a ransom, unless you think Wilson is a can't-miss, you have to take it. Unless they're dead-set against Darnold, give it one year, while you draft/sign OL and WR. If giving him protection and weapons doesn't drastically improve him, those pieces are there for you in 2022 when you draft the next QB using all the ammo you now have.
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I think the QB question comes down to 2 factors:
1) Is Watson available and affordable? If so, Douglas has to pull that trigger.
2) What are the offers for the #2 pick? If someone offers a ransom, unless you think Wilson is a can't-miss, you have to take it. Unless they're dead-set against Darnold, give it one year, while you draft/sign OL and WR. If giving him protection and weapons doesn't drastically improve him, those pieces are there for you in 2022 when you draft the next QB using all the ammo you now have.
Quite frankly, I think it's even simpler than that.
If they think Zach Wilson or Justin Fields or Trey Lance is a superstar in the making, you take them at 2 and move on.
If you have any questions about them, then you evaluate all options, including sticking with Sam, trading down, getting a veteran, or getting Watson.
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Quite frankly, I think it's even simpler than that.
If they think Zach Wilson or Justin Fields or Trey Lance is a superstar in the making, you take them at 2 and move on.
If you have any questions about them, then you evaluate all options, including sticking with Sam, trading down, getting a veteran, or getting Watson.
I don't think this is, nor should be, how Douglas sees it.
If he has the opportunity to acquire Watson at any bearable price and doesn't take it, he should lose his job. That's where the evaluation has to begin. It can't begin with a belief in a kid coming out of college, no matter how convinced you might be that he's going to be good. You already know exactly what you're getting with Watson.
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I'm basing my opinions on the fact that whatever makes the most sense never happens. It would make sense for the Jets to pursue Watson if he isn't forced to sit out. It would make sense for the Jets to trade Darnold if they get a good offer. It would make sense to draft a QB at 2 seeing that it's rare to pick that high.
That's why I think they will keep Darnold.
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I'm basing my opinions on the fact that whatever makes the most sense never happens. It would make sense for the Jets to pursue Watson if he isn't forced to sit out. It would make sense for the Jets to trade Darnold if they get a good offer. It would make sense to draft a QB at 2 seeing that it's rare to pick that high.
That's why I think they will keep Darnold.
Party officially pooped.
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I don't think this is, nor should be, how Douglas sees it.
If he has the opportunity to acquire Watson at any bearable price and doesn't take it, he should lose his job. That's where the evaluation has to begin. It can't begin with a belief in a kid coming out of college, no matter how convinced you might be that he's going to be good. You already know exactly what you're getting with Watson.
Crucial part there is the definition of "bearable". Douglas and you might have very different views on what constitutes a bearable price, or even a worthwhile one.
I don't know what he thinks about Sam, or Watson, or the potential draftees. Nor do you. There is an assumption from fans that because they have decided that Sam is an unredeemable mess who needs to be traded to the first person who calls up offering a used tackle sled and a bag of balls and because they really like some kid they've watched on TV half a dozen Saturdays, and because they like Douglas and think he's good at his job, Douglas must de facto feel the same way as they do.
By the same token, Douglas may have already decided that the roster is too full of holes to give up the draft capital he's been collecting for the last two seasons in order to get Watson, and that his contract will chew up too much cap space that he plans to use to sign a couple of free agents he really wants, and that after speaking to a couple of agents and GMs and coaches he's concerned that Watson's head is in the wrong space, and a hundred other things that might prevent him from doing the deal that you and maybe I think he should.
Whatever Douglas does this offseason at QB is not going to sit well with a sizeable chunk of the fanbase, because there are three feasible options that all have their supporters and their detractors. It will be interesting to see what happens when we know what his choice is.
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Crucial part there is the definition of "bearable". Douglas and you might have very different views on what constitutes a bearable price, or even a worthwhile one.
I don't know what he thinks about Sam, or Watson, or the potential draftees. Nor do you. There is an assumption from fans that because they have decided that Sam is an unredeemable mess who needs to be traded to the first person who calls up offering a used tackle sled and a bag of balls and because they really like some kid they've watched on TV half a dozen Saturdays, and because they like Douglas and think he's good at his job, Douglas must de facto feel the same way as they do.
By the same token, Douglas may have already decided that the roster is too full of holes to give up the draft capital he's been collecting for the last two seasons in order to get Watson, and that his contract will chew up too much cap space that he plans to use to sign a couple of free agents he really wants, and that after speaking to a couple of agents and GMs and coaches he's concerned that Watson's head is in the wrong space, and a hundred other things that might prevent him from doing the deal that you and maybe I think he should.
Whatever Douglas does this offseason at QB is not going to sit well with a sizeable chunk of the fanbase, because there are three feasible options that all have their supporters and their detractors. It will be interesting to see what happens when we know what his choice is.
I think the #2 pick is valuable enough to not sell the whole farm for Watson. I feel confident that Douglas can present the best package against any competition, considering they'd need to draft a QB, save for Jacksonville--and I don't believe Houston would deal him there.
If Miami goes as far as they'd need to in order to beat our best deal, they'll be crippled in future drafts, so if they wind up "winning" so be it.
I've said before, except for getting Watson, I'd lean toward trading the #2 pick for a windfall. I'm not to the same degree as you, but I think Darnold is salvagable, and I'm willing to give him a year with a completely revamped offense and legitimate system to run. If he flops, we should still have a ton of capital next year to draft a QB, and that guy will come in with a solid core of linemen and receivers we acquire this offseason.
But if the scouting staff believes Wilson (or one of the others) is the better option and that he's worth the #2 pick, I'm not going to be upset.
The only way I wind up unhappy by September is if this team doesn't improve the OL or Douglas drafts a defensive back with the 2-overall.
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Again
1. Trade for Watson (I know draft capital blah blah blah . I'll say it again . Ozzie Newsome himself couldn't make better use of the draft capital. Otherwise Flacco wouldn't be the best QB he ever had )
2. Wilson or Lance (they all have the same or better physical tools and better footwork than Darnold )
3. Trade down from 2 and see if Sam really is a bust .
Sam can be saved imo . There's just too much missing open WRs and vision issues and he tries to throw off platform like Mahommes and Allen and he's not got the arm for it . All that is why he's 3rd on this scenario ranking for me .
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I will say though if we stick with Sam. And our trade down is anything but for a WR like chase or Smith
JD should be shot
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I will say though if we stick with Sam. And our trade down is anything but for a WR like chase or Smith
JD should be shot
Depends on how far down the board we go. If we drop to 4 and Sewell is on the board, I can't be mad at it.
If we take a deal like someone gave up for Goff or Wentz, I am not going to berate JD for not getting an WR at 15 or so if the top 3 are gone. But it would need to be a gigantic, franchise altering haul for me to want to go that far down the board.
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-Trade Darnold
-Draft Wilson (or Lance if there's a trade down)
-build around new QB
-bolster oline
-shore up CB, LB, WR, HB with later picks and FA
profit
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-Trade Darnold
-Trade down from 2 anyway
-Start Capt. Morgan
-build around Capt.
-bolster oline, everything
-shore up CB, LB, WR, HB with later picks and FA
-Tank 2021
-Watson finally traded in 2022, trade for him.
-First overall pick 2022 draft
-Trade down for 3 first round picks
-profit
FYP- slow play.
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FYP- slow play.
I think you just played yourself.
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I think you just played yourself.
MB Green: anti-tank
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MB Green: anti-tank
the time for tanking is over.
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If the Jets think Lance is the guy they should just take him at 2 instead of risking someone else taking him.
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FYP- slow play.
As much fun as that would be. There’s no universe in which we would own the #1 pick in 2022 and NOT trade that for Watson in the 2022 offseason if we were to acquire him.
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As much fun as that would be. There’s no universe in which we would own the #1 pick in 2022 and NOT trade that for Watson in the 2022 offseason if we were to acquire him.
Shut your whore mouth.
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If the Jets think Lance is the guy they should just take him at 2 instead of risking someone else taking him.
I'm fine with that as well. I like Lance enough to not argue if that happened
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I'm fine with that as well. I like Lance enough to not argue if that happened
To clarify, my point isn't really about Lance himself, but that if you'd rather have Lance at 8 (or wherever) than Wilson/Fields at 2, then you should take Lance at 2.
Trading down and still getting your guy isn't smart so much as it would be lucky.
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To clarify, my point isn't really about Lance himself, but that if you'd rather have Lance at 8 (or wherever) than Wilson/Fields at 2, then you should take Lance at 2.
Trading down and still getting your guy isn't smart so much as it would be lucky.
It’s about value and knowing what’s available to you. With any other position, you have to know your value for a guy and ask yourself “what if I’m wrong about this risk and I lose him?”
With a QB though almost always the answer to that question is “I’ll be fucked” so you don’t make that gamble.
If you slide to 6-7-8 and see Lance gone then you have a really good chance of Either Wilson or Fields still being on the board. If you are comfortable with that as your “backup” then you should make the move. If not, just take the guy
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To clarify, my point isn't really about Lance himself, but that if you'd rather have Lance at 8 (or wherever) than Wilson/Fields at 2, then you should take Lance at 2.
Trading down and still getting your guy isn't smart so much as it would be lucky.
I would take Trey Lance at 2 over Justin Fields in the second round.
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-Trade Darnold
-Draft Wilson (or Lance if there's a trade down)
-build around new QB
-bolster oline
-shore up CB, LB, WR, HB with later picks and FA
profit
The blueprint this franchise has been unable to follow for the past 40 years
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Also, draft some linebackers that can run.
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If the Jets think Lance is the guy they should just take him at 2 instead of risking someone else taking him.
If we stay at 2 this is my ideal scenario.
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The blueprint this franchise has been unable to follow for the past 40 years
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and choose to believe we've turned a corner.
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It’s about value and knowing what’s available to you. With any other position, you have to know your value for a guy and ask yourself “what if I’m wrong about this risk and I lose him?”
With a QB though almost always the answer to that question is “I’ll be fucked” so you don’t make that gamble.
If you slide to 6-7-8 and see Lance gone then you have a really good chance of Either Wilson or Fields still being on the board. If you are comfortable with that as your “backup” then you should make the move. If not, just take the guy
I think if they see any of those guys as an upgrade over Darnold they have to be the pick at 2.
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https://twitter.com/NyjMike/status/1359139452782866435?s=19
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https://twitter.com/NyjMike/status/1359139452782866435?s=19
Inshallah
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https://twitter.com/NyjMike/status/1359139452782866435?s=19
Do it
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https://twitter.com/NyjMike/status/1359139452782866435?s=19
https://twitter.com/andrewperloff/status/1359163729951227906
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https://twitter.com/andrewperloff/status/1359163729951227906
Pull the freaking trigger.
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Jeremy Fowler is saying the Jets top two WR targets in FA are:
Juju Smith-Schuster and Will Fuller with Zach Pascal as a fallback option
Also mentioned Packers C Corey Linsley as a target
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Jeremy Fowler is saying the Jets top two WR targets in FA are:
Juju Smith-Schuster and Will Fuller with Zach Pascal as a fallback option
Also mentioned Packers C Corey Linsley as a target
Watson to Fuller part deux?
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https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1359222469165518851?s=19
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Sign Linsley and Thuney
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Sign Linsley and Thuney
We'd go from having the worst IOL to arguably the best in that scenario. God let this happen.
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Sign Linsley and Thuney
In a scenario where we kept Darnold we could afford to add both these guys, trade out of first, draft one of the top 2 wideouts and have the picks to find a competent halfback somewhere plus maybe upgrading at RT.
Darnold would have no excuse not to succeed.
Sure trading for Watson would be the best case scenario for this team, but if that doesn't happen we'd have the cap space and picks to basically revamp this team
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Hold up. The top center in the league would only cost us $9.7MM per year? Why aren't centers paid well?
Would you rather have Robby Anderson or Cory Linsley? Seems like a no brainer.
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Hold up. The top center in the league would only cost us $9.7MM per year? Why aren't centers paid well?
Would you rather have Robby Anderson or Cory Linsley? Seems like a no brainer.
That's not the highest paid center in the league, that's a projection for a player.
And the entire interior OL is paid like that
Also remember the corpse of Ryan Kalil cost us 8.5 million and that was a few years ago
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In a scenario where we kept Darnold we could afford to add both these guys
But in this scenario, we still have a shitty quarterback
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I would take Trey Lance at 2 over Justin Fields in the second round.
This
This x100
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So the rumors are Fuller and Juju ? I hope not.
Let's chase the ghost of a poor man's Robby Anderson lol
JD fucked up on that one
Juju makes sense from a scheme standpoint . Especially since Crowder has 1 yr left and can be cut to save a decent amount. Just don't want him in the locker room
I'd prefer AR or Golladay
We need the biggest overhaul at LB and CB though
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So the rumors are Fuller and Juju ? I hope not.
Let's chase the ghost of a poor man's Robby Anderson lol
JD fucked up on that one
Juju makes sense from a scheme standpoint . Especially since Crowder has 1 yr left and can be cut to save a decent amount. Just don't want him in the locker room
I'd prefer AR or Golladay
We need the biggest overhaul at LB and CB though
How is Fuller the poor man's Robby? Fuller is better than Robby. I'd take Fuller in a heartbeat.
In theory, JuJu should be a good scheme fit since he's a physical receiver who can make some YAC. But his numbers have progressively gotten worse, he's been outplayed by somewhat no-name receivers, and he's been somewhat of a jackass, and I think a lot of his issues stem from his immaturity.
The best thing about JuJu is that he's still only 24 years old at the start of next season.
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But his numbers have progressively gotten worse, he's been outplayed by somewhat no-name receivers, and he's been somewhat of a jackass, and I think a lot of his issues stem from his immaturity.
James Washington and Diontae Johnson are not "no name" receivers. They are both relatively high draft picks.
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PIT is only letting him walk because their depth in the WR room is insane
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My larger concerns for FA are defense because we csn plug and play some solid talent here and expedite this system transition
Thuney and Scherff are no brainer pursuits. As are any good interior OL that are cap casualties
Gonna be a lot of money thrown at WR . Just curious to see how it plays out
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James Washington and Diontae Johnson are not "no name" receivers. They are both relatively high draft picks.
JuJu Smith-Schuster had over 1,400 yards as a 22-year old, and then Antonio Brown left, which could have opened up even more opportunity for him. Instead, he has less yards over the last 2 seasons (28 games) combined.
I get that Washington and Claypool were late 2nd-rounders, and Johnson was a 3rd-rounder, so the Steelers spent real draft capital on them. But when you're a 22-year old putting up the numbers JuJu was putting up, it's odd to fall off that much when all they added to the rotation were a 2nd and 3rd round pick.
The Steelers used JuJu as a slot receiver with virtualy all of his targets within a few years of the line of scrimmage. He had one of the shortest average depth of target for a WR in the entire NFL. Then again, so did Deebo Samuel, and I could see JuJu filling that kind of role.
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We definitely differ on Fuller. Same damn player Robby is .
Cept hes had a better QB his whole career
How is he NOT a poor man's Robby?
I dunno im.not passionate enough to argue against him but he'd be underwhelming imo . If he's brought in here along with a Juju Golladay or AR
Then I'm cool . Hes a WR2 at best. and imo you can upgrade to better options for a few million more per yr
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I don't see the rush moving on from Crowder. He's been good. Yeah he's a little pricey this year, but not horrible.
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JuJu Smith-Schuster had over 1,400 yards as a 22-year old, and then Antonio Brown left, which could have opened up even more opportunity for him. Instead, he has less yards over the last 2 seasons (28 games) combined.
I get that Washington and Claypool were late 2nd-rounders, and Johnson was a 3rd-rounder, so the Steelers spent real draft capital on them. But when you're a 22-year old putting up the numbers JuJu was putting up, it's odd to fall off that much when all they added to the rotation were a 2nd and 3rd round pick.
The Steelers used JuJu as a slot receiver with virtualy all of his targets within a few years of the line of scrimmage. He had one of the shortest average depth of target for a WR in the entire NFL. Then again, so did Deebo Samuel, and I could see JuJu filling that kind of role.
Ben two years ago vs the clusterfuck of Rudolph/Hodges and then this year Ben definitely played a role, along with the fuller WR corps this year. Not that I'm a huge fan of JuJu, but I don't think it's necessarily fair to criticize him for that.
Will be mad when we pay him $15 million a year or whatever to come here though
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We definitely differ on Fuller. Same damn player Robby is .
Cept hes had a better QB his whole career
How is he NOT a poor man's Robby?
I dunno im.not passionate enough to argue against him but he'd be underwhelming imo . If he's brought in here along with a Juju Golladay or AR
Then I'm cool . Hes a WR2 at best. and imo you can upgrade to better options for a few million more per yr
If you want to argue he and Robby are the same guy, I'm fine with that. I think Fuller is better when he's healthy, but if you want to chalk most of that up to Watson, fine. The question is his health. Fuller was on pace for 1,278 yards and 11 touchdowns last year, though he got suspended instead of injured.
I'm fine with a lot of the potential WR options. Fuller as Robby Anderson 2.0 would be an upgrade over what we had. Kenny Golladay or Allen Robinson would be the best WR we've had since Marshall. JuJu was a pure slot receiver in Pittsburgh last year, but he's still only 24 years old, and maybe he has room to grow. I like a lot of the WR options, though if we bring in JuJu, I assume Crowder is gone.
I assume Kendrick Bourne will be here next year as one depth WR spot. Mims, ______, Crowder and Bourne would be a fine top 4.
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If you want to argue he and Robby are the same guy, I'm fine with that. I think Fuller is better when he's healthy, but if you want to chalk most of that up to Watson, fine. The question is his health. Fuller was on pace for 1,278 yards and 11 touchdowns last year, though he got suspended instead of injured.
I'm fine with a lot of the potential WR options. Fuller as Robby Anderson 2.0 would be an upgrade over what we had. Kenny Golladay or Allen Robinson would be the best WR we've had since Marshall. JuJu was a pure slot receiver in Pittsburgh last year, but he's still only 24 years old, and maybe he has room to grow. I like a lot of the WR options, though if we bring in JuJu, I assume Crowder is gone.
I assume Kendrick Bourne will be here next year as one depth WR spot. Mims, ______, Crowder and Bourne would be a fine top 4.
On pace
All.the guy does is miss time
My ultimate point is we could've had Fuller for cheaper and his name is Robby Anderson
Signing him is a more expensive admission of failure on Robby . (Yes I think Fuller will get AT least what Robby got )
I think.thats my ultimate point
Less so the direct comparisons but they parallel enough for me to believe this lol
If we get Fuller I still want another WR in the draft. Crowder will.be gone soon and I have faith in Mims but hes still unproven
Ionno ultimately there's not much that excites me about Will Fuller other than the fact we'd patch the hole we left last yr .
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I'm probably just gonna be unhappy in general since this system has minimal value on skill position
Long as we actually fix the OL this will work and I'll stfu when we have a functional offense lol
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Thuney or Scherff is a must or else we better draft two interior OL by the end of rd 3
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On pace
All.the guy does is miss time
My ultimate point is we could've had Fuller for cheaper and his name is Robby Anderson
Signing him is a more expensive admission of failure on Robby . (Yes I think Fuller will get AT least what Robby got )
I think.thats my ultimate point
Less so the direct comparisons but they parallel enough for me to believe this lol
If we get Fuller I still want another WR in the draft. Crowder will.be gone soon and I have faith in Mims but hes still unproven
Ionno ultimately there's not much that excites me about Will Fuller other than the fact we'd patch the hole we left last yr .
If he has the same skill set as Robby Anderson and costs more than Robby Anderson, wouldn’t that Anderson a poor man’s Fuller?
Thuney or Scherff is a must or else we better draft two interior OL by the end of rd 3
Yes.
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If he has the same skill set as Robby Anderson and costs more than Robby Anderson, wouldn’t that Anderson a poor man’s Fuller?
Yes.
No
Hes a more injured more expensive version who's best season doesn't beat Robbys
No
We're overpaying for what we cpupdve had last year
He IS a poor man's Anderson
If we're not gonna agree it's ultimately not that important
Then again it's Jeremy Fowler , who knows if anyone has any real.inside track
But I stand by what I said . JD went on record stating he underestimated the WR market and the value on Robby
The fact he's gonna earn more by proxy of being in a top heavy WR class vs a weak one last yr is just the market
Doesn't mean he deserves more money than Robby . Just means he will likely get more .
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I find it hard to believe after Adams that we're really putting Juju on the top of our list .
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This could be my bias for not liking the report though .
Those two definitely wouldn't be my top targets .
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If we sign Juju you need to trade crowder for whatever a 1 yr rental of a slot WR gets (4th? Maybe a 3rd to a contender)
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I find it hard to believe after Adams that we're really putting Juju on the top of our list .
Isn't he tight with Sam from their days at USC?
That list to me screams of dot connecting via saying the Jets are interested in either the former college WR of their current qb, or the number 1 wide receiver of the quarterback they most covet.
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Isn't he tight with Sam from their days at USC?
That list to me screams of dot connecting via saying the Jets are interested in either the former college WR of their current qb, or the number 1 wide receiver of the quarterback they most covet.
Yeah this is something that has crossed my mind as well
I'd be on board if Juju didn't put a target on himself this yr and dominated on the field as much as he does on TikTok
I won't lose my excrement if we signed him but again
Him and Fuller would not be my priorities
Especially for a culture change
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Again this is more than likely just knee jerk takes to something we heard
That's all we have until FA
With the money capital and giant FA class. We will learn far more about any actual MO Douglas might have
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Yeah this is something that has crossed my mind as well
I'd be on board if Juju didn't put a target on himself this yr and dominated on the field as much as he does on TikTok
I won't lose my excrement if we signed him but again
Him and Fuller would not be my priorities
Especially for a culture change
TBH I would be absolutely furious if we signed JuJu for a multitude of reasons and I don't even give a freak what the contract looks like.
I don't know how to feel about Fuller, except I know I don't want to spend 17 million per on him, but as always it's all about the guarantees.
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Lots of people seem to hate Juju but I haven't figured out why. Guessing I missed some drama.
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Lots of people seem to hate Juju but I haven't figured out why. Guessing I missed some drama.
If we paid him like a 3rd option, i'd be fine with it. But I don't think he's a top WR in the league and he wants to be paid like one. Add in the diva drama, and I want nothing to do with him at what he's going to cost.
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Guys, don’t pay much attention to early February reports. Media outlets need clicks and reporters need interactions. Usually it’s all smoke and mirrors.
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Guys, don’t pay much attention to early February reports. Media outlets need clicks and reporters need interactions. Usually it’s all smoke and mirrors.
This.
But it's still fun to speculate.
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Lots of people seem to hate Juju but I haven't figured out why. Guessing I missed some drama.
The Tik Tok dancing on opponent’s logos was enough for me
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The Tik Tok dancing on opponent’s logos was enough for me
I would assume Saleh/JD would work that out with him before he signed any dotted lines. Kid's talented, but the tik tok bullshit bothered me as well. No need to provide opponents with any extra motivation.
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Now I want it just for the troll factor.
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There's a story going round that the Cowboys are calling teams about a trade up to the top 5, which suggests that they're moving on from Prescott. If he's healthy, Dak as a free agent would be an interesting alternative to a king's ransom for Watson.
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There's a story going round that the Cowboys are calling teams about a trade up to the top 5, which suggests that they're moving on from Prescott. If he's healthy, Dak as a free agent would be an interesting alternative to a king's ransom for Watson.
Prepare your bum, Jerry.
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Prepare your bum, Jerry.
I think I'd prefer Prescott and keeping all of our draft picks to Watson and giving three or four premium picks to Houston. No matter what we do at QB, we have to build a much better team around him.
I don't have any idea if or how Dak would fit with what our new offensive scheme is going to look like.
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I think I'd prefer Prescott and keeping all of our draft picks to Watson and giving three or four premium picks to Houston. No matter what we do at QB, we have to build a much better team around him.
I don't have any idea if or how Dak would fit with what our new offensive scheme is going to look like.
I prefer drafting Zach Wilson
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I prefer drafting Zach Wilson
I am aware. That is the very bottom of my preferred list of options at QB.
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I'd be on board with Dak.
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I would not be upset with Dak.
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Generic comment such as "just say when and I'll pick him up at the airport" or "don't walk, run" on Dak.
Yes, I'd be thrilled to see him under center.
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Dak is gonna be a Cowboy
Hell if he wasn't they'd tag and trade him
This some TGG excrement right here
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I wouldn't be surprised if they moved on from Dak but I would be stunned if the Cowboys got nothing back for him.
I would do 2 for 10 and Dak and then trade Sam if that were a realistic scenario
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^ Dallas would not do that
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I wouldn't be surprised if they moved on from Dak but I would be stunned if the Cowboys got nothing back for him.
I would do 2 for 10 and Dak and then trade Sam if that were a realistic scenario
The only way I'm doing that is if Dak is committing to signing a long term deal, otherwise I'm giving up my incumbent quarterback, missing out on drafting a replacement, and get a one year stopgap in a season where I'm not going to be competing anyway.
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The only way I'm doing that is if Dak is committing to signing a long term deal, otherwise I'm giving up my incumbent quarterback, missing out on drafting a replacement, and get a one year stopgap in a season where I'm not going to be competing anyway.
I'd imagine any trade for Dak involving more than a 2nd round pick would be dependent on him signing a contract extension
Hell didn't Dak refuse to sign the franchise tag last year or whatever? I'd imagine he would he would be as opposed to playing on a one year deal as any team giving up significant draft picks would be on having him play on a one year deal
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https://twitter.com/bigticket73/status/1361886016328597507?s=21
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De'Vondre Campbell would be a solid signing. Coming off a solid year in Arizona...he played for Ulbrich in Atlanta from 2016-2019.
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Chad Forbes: #49ers Want to retain Kyle Juszczyk. Most underrated FA. Fear 49ers East aka #Jets will sign Juice. Not that it matters, but Kyle grew up a Jets fan apparently. Might replicate the deal he just finished with 49ers that made him leagues highest paid Fullback... Juice #TakeFlight
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Chad Forbes: #49ers Want to retain Kyle Juszczyk. Most underrated FA. Fear 49ers East aka #Jets will sign Juice. Not that it matters, but Kyle grew up a Jets fan apparently. Might replicate the deal he just finished with 49ers that made him leagues highest paid Fullback... Juice #TakeFlight
He's a badass and it'd be awesome if we could sign him
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We need to cut Crowder to make Juzcyzyzycyk the highest paid FB of all time
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We need to cut Crowder to make Juzcyzyzycyk the highest paid FB of all time
I need to see a Juzcycyykyk to Vyyycyyt Smyyyythyyy flea flicker.
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I need to see a Juzcycyykyk to Vyyycyyt Smyyyythyyy flea flicker.
With Zcack Wylsyn involved of course
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With Zcack Wylsyn involved of course
Zayczk Wi£çøn
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I’ll be all horned up if we sign a good fullback and never have to see 4th and 1 with Trevon Wesco leading the way again
Although LaFleur probably doesn’t call a dive there 100 times out of 100
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I’ll be all horned up if we sign a good fullback and never have to see 4th and 1 with Trevon Wesco leading the way again
Although LaFleur probably doesn’t call a dive there 100 times out of 100
I'll be horned if we get some gords that can crush dudes so we can FB dive at will.
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I'll be horned if we get some gords that can crush dudes so we can FB dive at will.
All Gord, No Break
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All Gord, No Break
Pls make metal sign.
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I’ll be all horned up if we sign a good fullback and never have to see 4th and 1 with Trevon Wesco leading the way again
Although LaFleur probably doesn’t call a dive there 100 times out of 100
Brute gords like Trey Smith (next to Becton-ouch!) are nice on 4th and 1 but lateral movers like Rashawn Slater are better suited if the Jets are running the wide zone in '21. Nice combo of brute plus athleticism. As for Kyle Juszczyk, everyone could use a Haahvard man.
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https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1365024403071901697
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https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1365024403071901697
go get him
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https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1365024403071901697
Yes please. Add a gord too and the OL looks very solid.
I know positions are different, but I'd much rather allocate resources to the OL in FA (Lindley + Scherf or Thuney) than draft Sewell at 2.
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Yes please. Add a gord too and the OL looks very solid.
I know positions are different, but I'd much rather allocate resources to the OL in FA (Lindley + Scherf or Thuney) than draft Sewell at 2.
Sewell at 2 doesn't solve our QB problem.
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Sewell at 2 doesn't solve our QB problem.
Put him at QB
Super Mariota
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Put him at QB
Super Mariota
4 honks
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KJ Wright is probably someone we'll consider. Cover 3 stopgap linebacker.
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KJ Wright is probably someone we'll consider. Cover 3 stopgap linebacker.
I'm still hoping CJ Groinley pans out.
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I'm still hoping CJ Groinley pans out.
CJ and KJ at LB.
Draft some youngsters in the mid-to-late rounds to learn from them.
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CJ and KJ at LB.
Draft some youngsters in the mid-to-late rounds to learn from them.
Do we still have Onwuasor under contract?
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Do we still have Onwuasor under contract?
Pretty sure he signed a 1 year deal
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That lb room is cursed with injuries dating back to when gase signed here
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Useless Peanut.
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2 more weeks
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2 more weeks
We should start hearing about all these mythical cuts teams will have to make to get under the salary cap here shortly.
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1367170832779329541?s=20
Build through the draft. Supplement the roster through free agency.
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1367170832779329541?s=20
Build through the draft. Supplement the roster through free agency.
"Joe, do you think the it would be best for the Jets to part with some draft picks to get established talent?"
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1367170832779329541?s=20
Build through the draft. Supplement the roster through free agency.
Mike Maccagnan said exactly the same thing. Almost word for word.
The philosophy is not what matters, the ability to successfully execute is.
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Mike Maccagnan said exactly the same thing. Almost word for word.
The philosophy is not what matters, the ability to successfully execute is.
I remember him continually harping on that, and yet Mac's greatest success came when he was able to trade mid and late round picks for two players that helped set up the 2015 offense.
Unfortunately Maccagnan also apparently graduated from the school of Matt Millen when it came to concepts such as position scarcity, especially relative to available resources.
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1367170832779329541?s=20
Build through the draft. Supplement the roster through free agency.
There should be the caveat of making sure the QB is surrounded with enough talent.
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Kevin Zietler expected to get released by the Giants
Not sure if he would be an/much of an upgrade
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Field Yates
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If you're an NFL team looking for an offensive lineman in free agency, here's what Joe Thuney offers: he's 28, been an All-Pro guard who has also started games at center and played offensive tackle too.
He's been called for 3 total penalties over the past two seasons. Standout.
Back up the brinks truck, JD.
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Back up the brinks truck, JD.
Especially with Scherff getting tagged. He's the most quality option by far.
I'm honestly surprised the Pats aren't going to tag him again.
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Especially with Scherff getting tagged. He's the most quality option by far.
I'm honestly surprised the Pats aren't going to tag him again.
Why pay an OL elite money if you don't have anyone worth protecting
Whether they want to admit it or not they need to rebuild, and back to back tagging an OL during the cap crunch isn't the way to do it
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Why pay an OL elite money if you don't have anyone worth protecting
Whether they want to admit it or not they need to rebuild, and back to back tagging an OL during the cap crunch isn't the way to do it
Because as the last couple of years proved, nothing protects a quarterback in the pocket like cap space.
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Because as the last couple of years proved, nothing protects a quarterback in the pocket like cap space.
If the rumors about Cam Newton staying in NE are true, they shouldn't give a excrement if he takes a beating
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https://twitter.com/macongunter/status/1369340753479163921?s=20
Kyle Long is coming out of retirement...
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gord
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Please don't franchise ARob..
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Please don't franchise ARob..
JACKASS I'LL KILL YOU
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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1m
The #Bears are administering a second franchise tag on WR Allen Robinson, source said. Not a surprise, they were never letting him go.
I blame Bo.
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Golladay is going to make so much money
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Please don't franchise ARob..
You did this and I hate you.
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I'm freaking fired.
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I'm freaking fired.
"Please don't trade Sam Darnold..." would've been a more acceptable post from you.
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https://twitter.com/macongunter/status/1369340753479163921?s=20
Kyle Long is coming out of retirement...
how does macon gunter know that out of retirement kyle long is 'nasty'?
that's some suspect ish and the more immature crowd will run away with that
i just hate the way talking heads talk/speak/report
'guys he's absolutely ripped, shredded, nasty, a unit, he'll fvck that derriere all night, i know all of this, and he's signing with this sports agency'
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how does macon gunter know that out of retirement kyle long is 'nasty'?
that's some suspect ish and the more immature crowd will run away with that
i just hate the way talking heads talk/speak/report
'guys he's absolutely ripped, shredded, nasty, a unit, he'll fvck that derriere all night, i know all of this, and he's signing with this sports agency'
Kyle Long is his leather daddy.
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Back up the brinks truck for Kenny Golladay or Will Fuller.
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Back up the brinks truck for Kenny Golladay or Will Fuller.
We should not give Will Fuller a big contract. Not a fan of shelling out money to a speed guy that's had hammy and PED issues.
Curtis Samuel would be a much better signing.
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Just give me Joe Thuney and I'm happy.
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We should not give Will Fuller a big contract. Not a fan of shelling out money to a speed guy that's had hammy and PED issues.
Curtis Samuel would be a much better signing.
Curtis Samuel is the guy I'd target especially in this scheme
Galladay and Samuel wpuld be nice lol
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https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1369396409414344706
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1369396579304693762
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^ Lavonte David already signed
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last year i would have jizzed for ngakoue or judon to be available
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last year i would have jizzed for ngakoue or judon to be available
Yup. Some very interesting pass rushers out on the market. Shaquill Griffin is someone I'd be interested in as well at corner, even off an up and down year.
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Why didn't the bengals tag lawson?
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Go get Shaq Barrett!
Also can't wait to watch Heiss and MJ agree on something when we sign Juju.
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Thuney, Linsley, and Samuel are the only offensive free agents I care about
Go get Carl Lawson/Romeo Okwara/Tyus Bowser and some corners
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This Bucs are gonna want to do deals there to win another title.
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This Bucs are gonna want to do deals there to win another title.
I swear it's like pulling a string.
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Thuney, Linsley, and Samuel are the only offensive free agents I care about
Go get Carl Lawson/Romeo Okwara/Tyus Bowser and some corners
I’d add Keanu Neal and Kerry Hyder to the wish list.
One playmaker in Samuel, fortify the OL and spend the rest of the money on the defense so that we can spend our draft capital on offense, whether that’s for Watson or Wilson and then some people around him.
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Also can't wait to watch Heiss and MJ agree on something when we sign Juju.
Oh freak everything about JuJu send him somewhere he can be an overpaid, underproductive social media whore elsewhere. freak it maybe Cincinnati would be a fan of his act
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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1m
NFL salary cap this season will be $182.5 million.
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
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1m
Here are the teams with the most cap space, per http://OverTheCap.com:
1.JAX, $73.8M
2.JETS $69.3M
3.NE, $68.5M
4.IND, $46.6M
5.CIN, $42.9M
6.WAS, $38.9M
7.DEN, $32.3M
8.LAC, $26.6M
No one else has more than $25M.
time for some FA #retailtherapy
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time for some FA #retailtherapy
Let's hope so. It's not his freaking money anyway.
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Let's hope so. It's not his freaking money anyway.
the jets can still make some cuts and increase the $ stockpile. I'm anticipating a fun FA period for us.
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CB, EDGE, IOL and WR would be ideal
3 out of 4 and I'd be happy.
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the jets can still make some cuts and increase the $ stockpile. I'm anticipating a fun FA period for us.
I got my fingers crossed. Just cautiously optimistic bc all I read is "JOE D LEARNED FROM THE SYSTEM WHERE YOU DON'T SPEND $$$$"
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I got my fingers crossed. Just cautiously optimistic bc all I read is "JOE D LEARNED FROM THE SYSTEM WHERE YOU DON'T SPEND $$$$"
There's that caveat, for sure. But we have so many holes to fill, and you can't fill them all in the draft.
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time for some FA #retailtherapy
Doesn't Miami have a mountain of cap space?
Or does this list not include presumed cap casualties
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Doesn't Miami have a mountain of cap space?
Or does this list not include presumed cap casualties
our mountain is larger.
and this doesn't include cap casualties...but it does include franchise tagged player costs
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our mountain is larger.
and this doesn't include cap casualties...but it does include franchise tagged player costs
Well just not seeing Miami made me question how accurate the list is
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Well just not seeing Miami made me question how accurate the list is
Dolphins are at $24.3 million in space as of today. I expect teams will make cuts in the next few days before FA.
Aside from Anderson, I would also say our most logical cap savings/cuts are guys that we don't need to cut until we have a replacement signed. Aka, we won't cut Lewis until we have Thuney locked in. Then we would cut him and restock the coffers a bit.
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Dolphins are at $24.3 million in space as of today. I expect teams will make cuts in the next few days before FA.
Aside from Anderson, I would also say our most logical cap savings/cuts are guys that we don't need to cut until we have a replacement signed. Aka, we won't cut Lewis until we have Thuney locked in. Then we would cut him and restock the coffers a bit.
What is the cap hit for Lewis in 2021?
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What is the cap hit for Lewis in 2021?
Save $5.2 mil if cut.
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Anyways looking at the NFL.com list of the top 100 FA's https://www.nfl.com/news/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2021-who-are-the-best-players-available (https://www.nfl.com/news/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2021-who-are-the-best-players-available)
I'd say these are some of the top targets in hopes of who we are looking into
Joe Thuney
Corey Linsley
Curtis Samuel
Corey Davis
Shaq Barrett
Carl Lawson
Jonnu Smith/Hunter Henry
KJ Wright
Kerry Hyder
K'Waun Williams
Kyle Juszczyk
Malik Hooker
Keanu Neal
Marlon Mack
Breshaud Perriman
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Save $5.2 mil if cut.
Given our current cap totals we can afford to keep him if we can't get a replacement, but he can and should be upgraded over. But if we can't secure Thuney then we might have to keep him
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Save $5.2 mil if cut.
And then my next question would be who our gord depth is without him. I don't want to spend a ton for a backup but I also don't want the bottom to fall out if we lose a starter.
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Well just not seeing Miami made me question how accurate the list is
OvertheCap is quite accurate, i assure you.
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And then my next question would be who our gord depth is without him. I don't want to spend a ton for a backup but I also don't want the bottom to fall out if we lose a starter.
I think the ideal situation is we get two interior OL, Thuney and Linsley being the top options. Then our starting interior is some combo of Thuney - Linsley - McGovern. Then we cut Lewis and our top backups before the draft are GVR, Elflein and Clark.
I’d expect to add a draft pick to both the inside and outside of the OL this class as well.
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And then my next question would be who our gord depth is without him. I don't want to spend a ton for a backup but I also don't want the bottom to fall out if we lose a starter.
To me, its the same situation with van Roten. They both are below average as starters, but good as depth. Hopefully Douglas will try to get them to redo their deals at lower amounts or hit the bricks. I don't know who the depth is beyond them. Not sure what Cam Clark is right now.
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Alex Lewis should've been cut the moment he had his baby back bitch boy tantrum and took a leave from the team.
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Kwon Alexander cut.
Not sure how good of a player he still is but at 26 with experience in saleh's system he could be someone we bring in
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Kwon Alexander cut.
Not sure how good of a player he still is but at 26 with experience in saleh's system he could be someone we bring in
Good but injuries.
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Good but injuries.
Jesus, you're not wrong. In the last four seasons:
Hamstring (4 games)
Torn ACL (10 games)
Torn pectoral (11 games)
Torn Achilles (end of last season)
I'm sure he'll get signed, but it will be a deal with a lot of get outs.
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Jesus, you're not wrong. In the last four seasons:
Hamstring (4 games)
Torn ACL (10 games)
Torn pectoral (11 games)
Torn Achilles (end of last season)
I'm sure he'll get signed, but it will be a deal with a lot of get outs.
1 year, $10 million, *player returns all money to team if more than 1 play missed due to injury.
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I keep forgetting Corey Davis is a FA
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Alex Lewis should've been cut the moment he had his baby back bitch boy tantrum and took a leave from the team.
I agree with this.
Also, isn't Elflein a FA? I think we should bring him back as long as it's a reasonable deal. He was a significant upgrade.
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Anyways looking at the NFL.com list of the top 100 FA's https://www.nfl.com/news/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2021-who-are-the-best-players-available (https://www.nfl.com/news/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2021-who-are-the-best-players-available)
I'd say these are some of the top targets in hopes of who we are looking into
Joe Thuney
Corey Linsley
Curtis Samuel
Corey Davis
Shaq Barrett
Carl Lawson
Jonnu Smith/Hunter Henry
KJ Wright
Kerry Hyder
K'Waun Williams
Kyle Juszczyk
Malik Hooker
Keanu Neal
Marlon Mack
Breshaud Perriman
gotta take strong looks at thuney and linsley. i'd be very happy with either samuel or golladay. lawson may become an underrated pickup for whatever team ends up with him
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Zeitler released.
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Zeitler released.
didn't see this...deleted my post in the Giants thread.
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gotta take strong looks at thuney and linsley. i'd be very happy with either samuel or golladay. lawson may become an underrated pickup for whatever team ends up with him
You'll get zero of them and like it.
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John Brown released by the Bills, worth a look?
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John Brown released by the Bills, worth a look?
Was just about to post on this. He would be a quality inexpensive replacement for perriman.
Would much rather john brown and Curtis Samuel than just juju
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John Brown released by the Bills, worth a look?
He'd be a good depth piece. Missed 7 games due to injury last year, so he should come on the cheap.
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Would much rather john brown and Curtis Samuel than just juju
All three have completely different skillsets.
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All three have completely different skillsets.
What is your point?
I'd rather have two complimentary players that cost the same as one of the major fa widereceivwrs
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What is your point?
I'd rather have two complimentary players that cost the same as one of the major fa widereceivwrs
This isn't baseball where you can go sign a third baseman and put him out there.
This team doesn't need complimentary players at wideout. We need star talent at the skill positions, for once.
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This isn't baseball where you can go sign a third baseman and put him out there.
This team doesn't need complimentary players at wideout. We need star talent at the skill positions, for once.
This
We need one of
Samuel
Galladay
Imo
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This
We need one of
Samuel
Galladay
Imo
So like I said I'd rather have samuel and brown for the same cost as overpaying for juju
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So like I said I'd rather have samuel and brown then overpaying for juju
you're going to be overpaying for Samuel too.
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As a Jets fan, I am aware that there will be a list of the top 5 or so players at each position and we will sign none of them because it makes sense for us to sign all of them.
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As a Jets fan, I am aware that there will be a list of the top 5 or so players at each position and we will sign none of them because it makes sense for us to sign all of them.
Spoken like a savvy veteran.
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Spoken like a savvy veteran.
I definitely have settled in to my Jets Fan Syndrome.
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Free agency is overpaying in a nutshell
I'll take Samuel at 12 or 13 mil per vs Juju at 16
Galladay is the only guy worth paying 16+ he will get 20
So ill defer back to Samuel as a perfect target
Corey Davis possibly too
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I'll be slightly annoyed when we sign Samuel for more than what Robby got last year. Granted, Samuel is probably a better scheme fit than Robby, but I still think Robby is the better player and was the only homegrown skill position player worth a damn since Cotchery.
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I'll be slightly annoyed when we sign Samuel for more than what Robby got last year. Granted, Samuel is probably a better scheme fit than Robby, but I still think Robby is the better player and was the only homegrown skill position player worth a damn since Cotchery.
Gotta forget about Robby (except on twitter).
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Free agency is overpaying in a nutshell
I'll take Samuel at 12 or 13 mil per vs Juju at 16
Galladay is the only guy worth paying 16+ he will get 20
So ill defer back to Samuel as a perfect target
Corey Davis possibly too
*Golladay
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*Golladay
*Gilladay
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*Golladay
*Gilladay
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I dont care that tall bastard
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More like Gollagay, amirite?
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
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10m
Replying to
@RVacchianoSNY
It also doesn't sound like the Jets are interested in re-signing unrestricted free agent DE Tarell Basham, according to a source. Basham started nine games and had 3 1/2 sacks last year.
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Not a scheme fit
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Yyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!
The #Jets have re-signed WR Vyncint Smith, who was due to become a restricted free agent.
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Jonnu Smith SZN
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Jonnu Smith SZN
Jyynyy smyyty
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Jonnu Smith SZN
Him and Herndon would he nasty
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Him and Herndon would he nasty
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Oh well, guess we won't get Juscyckysck
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1371108492103270400?s=19
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Anyone else think Lynch's tweet was weirdly sexual?
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https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1371228610246406144?s=19
(https://media.tenor.com/images/f74df96b2f2b6b67e14ca670f63fc9a4/tenor.gif)
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Guys, just a reminder today-
It isn’t official until we hear it from @uStadium
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Guys, just a reminder today-
It isn’t official until we hear it from Steiny
Fyp
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What's the over/under on us having any trades or new players today (obviously not official signings)?
I give it about a 10% chance of any bankable news today. I'll still be refreshing twitter.
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1371443901022797824?s=19
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1371454511403925505?s=19
Gooooood. Read that Salad was Jags LB coach when they drafted Yannick.
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Who is your 1 free agent you'd want to sign most today?
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Who is your 1 free agent you'd want to sign most today?
Far and away, Thuney.
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Zeitler to Ravens.
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Who is your 1 free agent you'd want to sign most today?
Christian Hackenberg
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Guys, just a reminder today-
It isn’t official until we hear it from @uStadium
Eric Gonzalez SZN
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Who is your 1 free agent you'd want to sign most today?
Carl Lawson or Romeo Okwara
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Who is your 1 free agent you'd want to sign most today?
Far and away, Thuney.
+1
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Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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28s
Jets also looking at bringing back Breshad Perriman, per sources. Might not get done but there's some mutual interest there.
freak that noise
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Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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28s
Jets also looking at bringing back Breshad Perriman, per sources. Might not get done but there's some mutual interest there.
freak that noise
I'd take him back as a fourth string receiver.
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I'd take him back as a fourth string receiver.
meh...dude is a mainstay on the IR. I'd rather pay a guy that actually has a chance to stay healthy.
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Perriman was hurt a lot (as expected) but he was held back by awful quarterback play too. He averaged almost 17 yards per catch.
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meh...dude is a mainstay on the IR. I'd rather pay a guy that actually has a chance to stay healthy.
I'd take him at like half of his current cost though. $4M as a depth receiver that has elite deep speed.
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I'd take him at like half of his current cost though. $4M as a depth receiver that has elite deep speed.
just bring in Bourne
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just bring in Bourne
What makes Bourne a better option other than experience in the offense?
He plays a completely different role, doesn't offer much after the catch, and had comparable numbers to Perriman.
I'm fine with signing him but what makes Bourne a better signing?
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What makes Bourne a better option other than experience in the offense?
He plays a completely different role, doesn't offer much after the catch, and had comparable numbers to Perriman.
I'm fine with signing him but what makes Bourne a better signing?
he doesn't show up on the IR every year.
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Matt Maiocco
@MaioccoNBCS
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5m
Hearing that the #49ers are not going to tender QB Nick Mullens as a restricted free agent. Mullens is rehabbing from elbow surgery. The door is open for the 49ers to re-sign him later in the offseason.
there's our backup. go get him.
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I'd take him at like half of his current cost though. $4M as a depth receiver that has elite deep speed.
I’d be all about this option. Perriman when healthy produced quite a bit for us. He wasn’t healthy much but as a depth guy, you could do a lot worse than a home run threat.
My #1 is Thuney. My #2 is Linsley. My #3 is Lawson. My # 4 is Samuel. My #5 is Jonnu Smith.
My I really want this guy to sign here next week: Marlon Mack.
So naturally I’d say we don’t sign any of those guys
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Jonnu Smith off the board, signing with the Patriots
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NFL reporter Josina Anderson reports the Jets, Vikings, and Browns have all expressed interest in free agent DE Trey Hendrickson.
Playing opposite Cameron Jordan in New Orleans, 26-year-old Hendrickson exploded for a career-best 13.5 sacks last season as a full-time starter across 15 games. He's expected to land a monster deal with the edge market depleting in front of our eyes after Shaq Barrett and Romeo Okwara re-upped with their current clubs.
(https://static.www.nfl.com/image/private/t_headshot_desktop/league/rwf31ygy9udkgtbtvnya)
Haircut dangerously close to Hackenberg's, but I'll allow it.
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Jonnu Smith off the board, signing with the Patriots
Well freak that guy.
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Why haven't we signed everyone yet??
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Perriman was open deep a good amount this year. I was hoping for more from him this year, but Darnold was absolutely terrible. A lot of the reasons that made him a sensible signing last year still exist.
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Perriman was open deep a good amount this year. I was hoping for more from him this year, but Darnold was absolutely terrible. A lot of the reasons that made him a sensible signing last year still exist.
The primary argument for signing him that I recall was "he can give us everything that Anderson does but for less money". Which obviously he didn't. Also, Darnold had no problem slinging it to Robby when he was open down field.
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Jets gonna light up that bargain bin in a few days.
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Jets gonna light up that bargain bin in a few days.
Negativejanglesman
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Negativejanglesman
I prefer Nojanglesman
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I just want to hear were aggressive on OL CB WR EDGE swing and a miss is ok
Just swing
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Okwara back with DET
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Also, Darnold had no problem slinging it to Robby when he was open down field.
Yes, he did.
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Hendrickson and Thuney and Linsley would be sexy or one of those OL
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A washed up Flacco did what Sam shouldve been doing
He can succeed in this league but he needs to go to WAS and call it a day
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Hendrickson and Thuney and Linsley would be sexy or one of those OL
We won't get any of those 3. Douglas isn't going to get into a bidding war.
/Nojangles
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Okwara back with DET
wrong thread
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We won't get any of those 3. Douglas isn't going to get into a bidding war.
/Nojangles
Go watch Fubar 1 and 2....come back to the board in a week.
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Let's go get Golladay.
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Go watch Fubar 1 and 2....come back to the board in a week.
All kidding aside, I think Douglas is gonna sit out today and be aggressive with whoever isn't in a bidding war tomorrow. I bet he's afraid to go big for fear of freaking up.
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All kidding aside, I think Douglas is gonna sit out today and be aggressive with whoever isn't in a bidding war tomorrow. I bet he's afraid to go big for fear of freaking up.
it's only been 2 hours
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it's only been 2 hours
I know that. I wasn't expecting us to sign anyone quickly, not complaining. I'm just saying I don't see Douglas making a signing with a surprisingly big $$ amount.
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All kidding aside, I think Douglas is gonna sit out today and be aggressive with whoever isn't in a bidding war tomorrow. I bet he's afraid to go big for fear of freaking up.
There are only two top tier FA guys I expect to really be involved in, Thuney and Linsley. Everything else will be smaller moves about adding to the roster and finding value for our money
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The primary argument for signing him that I recall was "he can give us everything that Anderson does but for less money". Which obviously he didn't. Also, Darnold had no problem slinging it to Robby when he was open down field.
Yeah, and I think he basically was a slightly worse version of what Robby gave us. Darnold and Robby had more chemistry though. There were plenty of times Perriman had at least a step on his guy and Darnold didn't throw it.
Robby's last year here, he averaged 49 yards per game. Perriman averaged 42, and most of that was when Flacco played, since Flacco was willing to take some chances on deep balls. Darnold was not. Maybe it was coaching, maybe he had less faith in Perriman, maybe he got worse - most likely, it's a combination of the 3 led by coaching, but when Perriman had Flacco throwing to him, he looked like Robby 2.0.
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I know that. I wasn't expecting us to sign anyone quickly, not complaining. I'm just saying I don't see Douglas making a signing with a surprisingly big $$ amount.
why?
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why?
Because I think Douglas is conservative.
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Because I think Douglas is conservative.
or there's this
Raj
@RajPC1
· 6m
Brace for impact, folks. I'm hearing top FAs and their agents are lukewarm on the #Jets given there's uncertainty within the organization how to proceed with Sam Darnold.
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or there's this
Raj
@RajPC1
· 6m
Brace for impact, folks. I'm hearing top FAs and their agents are lukewarm on the #Jets because they are the Jets.
Fyp
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Fyp
that's retarded....stop
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that's retarded....stop
I'm just bullshitting.
I would be surprised if we end up with one of the top 10 free agents. Douglas will be more active in that second tier.
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I'm just bullshitting.
I would be surprised if we end up with one of the top 10 free agents. Douglas will be more active in that second tier.
I know...
we'll land someone. Joe Douglas will be crucified if he fucks up FA.
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I know...
we'll land someone. Joe Douglas will be crucified if he fucks up FA.
That's why I think he won't take risks.
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That's why I think he won't take risks.
lol
his entire job is a risk, man. Every decision he makes will be scrutinized if it goes south.
Risky decisions won't deter him, otherwise he's in the wrong business.
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Douglas doesn't have time for free agency because he's on the phone with the Texans.
/Dream
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that's retarded....stop
GTB
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GTB
Go Tom Brady?
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We sound like traumatized women in an abusive relationship
Be strong goddesses the right FA are the ones who want to be here
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We sound like traumatized women in an abusive relationship
Be strong goddesses the right FA are the ones who want to be here
I don't think anyone here is throwing excrement because we haven't signed anyone. We're just discussing whether we sign top tier free agents or wait a bit.
I trust Douglas to do it right. I don't think we will be big spenders on a smaller number of players.
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We sound like traumatized women in an abusive relationship
Be strong goddesses the right FA are the ones who want to be here
the FAs i want are still available...i'm not freaking out yet, not even close. It's still pretty early.
Personally, i'd prefer to see Darnold traded ASAP....so potential FAs can have some clarity on a direction for the franchise.
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We sound like traumatized women in an abusive relationship
Be strong goddesses the right FA are the ones who want to be here
If FAs can't handle us at our worst they don't deserve us at our best
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lol
his entire job is a risk, man. Every decision he makes will be scrutinized if it goes south.
Risky decisions won't deter him, otherwise he's in the wrong business.
This. Whatever move he makes at QB is probably the biggest risk he's made in his professional career thus far.
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If FAs can't handle us at our worst they don't deserve us at our best
All free agents: The Jets would like to buy you a delicious fish sandwich babbie
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or there's this
Raj
@RajPC1
· 6m
Brace for impact, folks. I'm hearing top FAs and their agents are lukewarm on the #Jets given there's uncertainty within the organization how to proceed with Sam Darnold.
That's the dumbest excrement
The freaking Patriots have a worse QB than the jets and they're making moves
JD is gonna do his thing, and I'm cool with that.
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The freaking Patriots have a worse QB than the jets and they're making moves
The Patriots* are making bad moves
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The Patriots* are making bad moves
I don't care how good or bad their moves are. Only time will tell that. But they're able to bring in guys despite Cam Newton being complete excrement.
I'm only suggesting that teams are going to run from the Jets because of Darnold.
Sure if you're a wideout who is looking for a 1 year prove it contract you run in freaking terror from this team.
Otherwise money talks
The Texans are probably the only team in the league right now that has free agents blatantly saying freak you.
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I don't care how good or bad their moves are. Only time will tell that. But they're able to bring in guys despite Cam Newton being complete excrement.
I'm only suggesting that teams are going to run from the Jets because of Darnold.
Sure if you're a wideout who is looking for a 1 year prove it contract you run in freaking terror from this team.
Otherwise money talks
The Texans are probably the only team in the league right now that has free agents blatantly saying freak you.
Andre Roberts signed with the Texans 2 hours ago.
Try again.
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https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1371549600394448912?s=19
Would be nice to get one.
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I don't care how good or bad their moves are.
...
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Andre Roberts signed with the Texans 2 hours ago.
Try again.
I don't know if this is sarcasm or not
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https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1371555174746095618?s=19
Oh??
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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
· 1m
The #Jets have been receiving trade calls on four-time Pro Bowl LB C.J. Mosley, per sources. After opting out last year, Mosley still has $22 million in guarantees remaining on his contract, but his cap hit to a new team would be a relatively reasonable $6M in 2021.
wtf
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I don't know if this is sarcasm or not
Roberts was a UFA, he signed with the Texans. You said every FA was going to tell the Texans to freak off.
You were wrong.
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Presumably Mosleys value will be us eating his signing bonus therefore him offering talent for a reasonable cap hit during the crunch.
I'd be very cool with us taking advantage of that
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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
· 1m
The #Jets have been receiving trade calls on four-time Pro Bowl LB C.J. Mosley, per sources. After opting out last year, Mosley still has $22 million in guarantees remaining on his contract, but his cap hit to a new team would be a relatively reasonable $6M in 2021.
wtf
Leave it to the Jets to leave day one of free agency with more money than they started with
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Roberts was a UFA, he signed with the Texans. You said every FA was going to tell the Texans to freak off.
You were wrong.
My words are above, you can see exactly what I said.
And literally nobody gives a freak about Andre Robert's
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Presumably Mosleys value will be us eating his signing bonus therefore him offering talent for a reasonable cap hit during the crunch.
I'd be very cool with us taking advantage of that
The guy hasn't played in 2 years. I don't know what we're getting anymore with him. The best thing that can be done might be to cut bait and get what we can. I wouldn't be shocked to see him go play well somewhere or fizzle out.
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Jarrad Davis, 1 yr, $7mil
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1371551330762899458
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My words are above, you can see exactly what I said.
And literally nobody gives a freak about Andre Robert's
Yes...i saw your words. And i answered them accurately
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My words are above, you can see exactly what I said.
And literally nobody gives a freak about Andre Robert's
here's another one
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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16s
Former Cowboys’ DT Maliek Collins reached agreement on a one-year deal worth up to $6 million with the Texans; @DrewJRosenhaus
tells ESPN.
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Thank god we didn't overpay Thuney or Linsley or Glasgow or Conklin or Morse or Paradis, that kind of recklessness can really hurt a franchise.
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Every year we spend early on free agents, we get excited and later disappointed.
Every year we don't spend early on free agents, we get disappointed early and later.
A couple years ago, the Jets signed Bell and Mosley and went hard after marquee FAs. Then the Bills signed a large quantity of guys and no massive names other than Mitch Morse, and helped build their foundation.
Plenty of time to go, though not getting Thuney is disappointing.
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Every year we spend early on free agents, we get excited and later disappointed.
Every year we don't spend early on free agents, we get disappointed early and later.
A couple years ago, the Jets signed Bell and Mosley and went hard after marquee FAs. Then the Bills signed a large quantity of guys and no massive names other than Mitch Morse, and helped build their foundation.
Plenty of time to go, though not getting Thuney is disappointing.
Last year we bargain-shopped.
For once i'd like a happy medium. Sign maybe 2 high priced FAs and bargain shop for the rest.
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Last year we bargain-shopped.
For once i'd like a happy medium. Sign maybe 2 high priced FAs and bargain shop for the rest.
We could still sign Kenny Golladay and Curtis Samuel by the end of the day, or make a big trade.
Or we could just sit on our hands.
Kendrick Bourne might be gone to NE as well.
https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1371568465446907911
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We could still sign Kenny Golladay and Curtis Samuel by the end of the day, or make a big trade.
Or we could just sit on our hands.
Kendrick Bourne might be gone to NE as well.
https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1371568465446907911
Agreed....although i'd prefer one of the WRs and Carl Lawson.
Sitting on our hands is stupid.
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Kendrick Bourne is a fourth string receiver. Not sure why some are up in arms about that...
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Agreed....although i'd prefer one of the WRs and Carl Lawson.
Sitting on our hands is stupid.
Prepare your bum for hand sitting.
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Prepare your bum for hand sitting.
In strip clubs in the UK you get kicked out for touching the girls, so if you sit on your hands while getting a dance it's considered polite and a sign to the dancer that you're not about to get all touchy-feely. Not really anything to do with FA, but thought it might be nice for you to think about some rented hoo-ha in your face rather than your football blue balls.
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In strip clubs in the UK you get kicked out for touching the girls, so if you sit on your hands while getting a dance it's considered polite and a sign to the dancer that you're not about to get all touchy-feely. Not really anything to do with FA, but thought it might be nice for you to think about some rented hoo-ha in your face rather than your football blue balls.
This makes it worse
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This makes it worse
Yeah but rented hoo-ha
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
Sources: #Ravens pass-rusher Yannick Ngakoue is close to a deal with the #Raiders.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
Sources: #Ravens pass-rusher Yannick Ngakoue is close to a deal with the #Raiders.
Wrong thread
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Apparently we had zero interest in Linsley.
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Trai Turner still out there.
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Trai Turner still out there.
So is Alex Lewis
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Oday Aboushi, Brian Winters, or Kelechi Osemele, get it done Dougie
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So is Alex Lewis
Oday Aboushi, Brian Winters, or Kelechi Osemele, get it done Dougie
Delete your freaking lives.
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Well, last year we signed a bunch of linemen. Maybe this year is WRs. Lots of them out there, only the meh ones have been signed so far.
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I'll join the suicide hotline about our OL
No thuney no linsely
Nobody else worth paying at this point unless there's a cap casualty
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And we let Elflien walk
This looks retarded now that we literally not only didn't upgrade the OL
We got worse lop
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Better get DBs and Lawson or Hendrickson and a ficking WR . Samuel or Galladay c mon lol
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And we let Elflien walk
This looks retarded now that we literally not only didn't upgrade the OL
We got worse lop
I mean Elflien wasn't very good last year and he got paid well above an average lineman. He also doesn't fit this scheme.
Now that I think about it, this offense doesn't really prioritize guards. I'm not sure why everyone thought we were going to sign Thuney.
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I mean Elflien wasn't very good last year and he got paid well above an average lineman. He also doesn't fit this scheme.
Now that I think about it, this offense doesn't really prioritize guards. I'm not sure why everyone thought we were going to sign Thuney.
You absolutely need good guards in this scheme.
The Jets tried to sign Thuney but he chose KC. Can’t blame him. Much better situation, same money.
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I mean Elflien wasn't very good last year and he got paid well above an average lineman. He also doesn't fit this scheme.
Now that I think about it, this offense doesn't really prioritize guards. I'm not sure why everyone thought we were going to sign Thuney.
Fant-McGovern-Becton and 7 WRs. Empty backfield.
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I mean Elflien wasn't very good last year and he got paid well above an average lineman. He also doesn't fit this scheme.
Now that I think about it, this offense doesn't really prioritize guards. I'm not sure why everyone thought we were going to sign Thuney.
Wanting =/= expecting
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I gotta say I'm not a big fan of the whole lack of interest in FAs so far.
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I mean Elflien wasn't very good last year and he got paid well above an average lineman. He also doesn't fit this scheme.
Now that I think about it, this offense doesn't really prioritize guards. I'm not sure why everyone thought we were going to sign Thuney.
This scheme is predicated on strong mobile OGs lol
Elflein was at worst decent rotational depth
Right now he could start on this excrement pile of an OL
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I gotta say I'm not a big fan of the whole not using the cap space.
You are understimating the value of Tank Part 2.
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You are understimating the value of Tank Part 2.
Lol
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You are understimating the value of Tank Part 2.
I'll do it again. Don't freaking test me, I warn you.
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You are understimating the value of Tank Part 2.
Tankin' 2: Electric Boogaloo
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I'll do it again. Don't freaking test me, I warn you.
(https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/college-football/players/full/4374303.png)
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(https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/college-football/players/full/4374303.png)
That looks like Auston Matthews' less talented old brother. Enlighten me?
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That looks like Auston Matthews' less talented old brother. Enlighten me?
Our future QB if you derail another tank.
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Our future QB if you derail another tank.
So stop cheering for it then. Who is he anyway?
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Hank Anderson to the Pats*
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Hank Anderson to the Pats*
Well he's white, so....
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I saw a bunch of Hendrickson rumors earlier today. Do you think the addition of Lawson takes us out of the running for Hendrickson? Or would we add both?
One has to think we have more money than expected right now since you have to believe JDs Plan A involved Thuney
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I saw a bunch of Hendrickson rumors earlier today. Do you think the addition of Lawson takes us out of the running for Hendrickson? Or would we add both?
One has to think we have more money than expected right now since you have to believe JDs Plan A involved Thuney
Hendrickson and Lawson and Fats and Q
Yes please
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Biggest news of the day.
https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1371625507050160128?s=12
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Biggest news of the day.
https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1371625507050160128?s=12
Good. He looked OK in garbage time last year.
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Good. He looked OK in garbage time last year.
I don't trust tall running backs.
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If we sign Jamaal Williams, I think Josh Adams is still the odd man out.
LaMical Perine and Ty Johnson would stick as RB2 and RB3.
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I want Marlon Mack to be the RB we sign.
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Still need to fix the oline.
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New Plan: Sam Redemption Story
Step 1: Trade Crowder for day 3 picks
Step 2: Sign JuJu - WR room is now Davis, Mims, Juju
Step 3: Sign Marlon Mack or Jamal Williams - RB room now Mack, Perine, Adams, Johnson
Step 4: Trade #2 pick for multiple firsts
Step 5: Sign 2 offensive lineman with the first 3 picks
Step 6: Let Darnold play out the year and decide next year if we need a new QB. If Darnold fails the offense is set up for a rookie or Deshaun Watson to come in and be successful in 2022
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New Plan: Sam Redemption Story
Step 1: Trade Crowder for day 3 picks
Step 2: Sign JuJu - WR room is now Davis, Mims, Juju
Step 3: Sign Marlon Mack or Jamal Williams - RB room now Mack, Perine, Adams, Johnson
Step 4: Trade #2 pick for multiple firsts
Step 5: Sign 2 offensive lineman with the first 3 picks
Step 6: Let Darnold play out the year and decide next year if we need a new QB. If Darnold fails the offense is set up for a rookie or Deshaun Watson to come in and be successful in 2022
No
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Sam's redemption story starts with trading away his favorite receiver
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New Plan: Sam Redemption Story
Step 1: Trade Crowder for day 3 picks
I'm out
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User name checks out.
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No
yes?
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yes?
*checks notes again*....No.
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*checks notes again*....No.
are you sure?
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are you sure?
very
you missed one very important piece at the top of your Sam's Redemption plan
"move to another city"
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very
you missed one very important piece at the top of your Sam's Redemption plan
"move to another city"
For the record, and I think I've made this clear on this site, I want Sam gone. His time has come and gone, and it makes more sense financially and logically to move on.
That being said I'd be interested to see what happens in the alternate universe where JD signs Corey Davis, JuJu, and a few more weapons for him in addition to drafting o lineman.
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I wouldn't mind having Juju here as a slot receiver, but I think Crowder is more than suited for LaFleur's offense and already on the roster.
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I wouldn't mind having Juju here as a slot receiver, but I think Crowder is more than suited for LaFleur's offense and already on the roster.
I'd rather have Curtis Samuel
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Adding Samuel, Fuller, or Juju would be pretty cool and allow us to draft moar Gords.
No way we should cut Crowder though.
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I was never anti-JJSS but I don't really see the point after Davis.
I'd still be open to Golladay though.
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I was never anti-JJSS but I don't really see the point after Davis.
I'd still be open to Golladay though.
Juju is more of a slot receiver.
Golladay wouldn't really make sense because we have Corey Davis and Denzel Mims on the outside.
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Just cut Berrios and I’m good
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Just cut Berrios and I’m good
Huh? Where?
EDIT, nevermind, I thought you said we did cut him.
What's wrong with Berrios? He's a good punt returner and a pretty good depth WR.
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Huh? Where?
EDIT, nevermind, I thought you said we did cut him.
What's wrong with Berrios? He's a good punt returner and a pretty good depth WR.
He’s wronged me in unspeakable ways
(Nothing sexual)
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He’s wronged me in unspeakable ways
(Nothing sexual)
This is a safe place. Speak my son.
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I wouldn't mind having Juju here as a slot receiver, but I think Crowder is more than suited for LaFleur's offense and already on the roster.
He doesn't fit into this system.
Adding Samuel, Fuller, or Juju would be pretty cool and allow us to draft moar Gords.
No way we should cut Crowder though.
why would we sign another wr and keep crowder?
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For the record, and I think I've made this clear on this site, I want Sam gone. His time has come and gone, and it makes more sense financially and logically to move on.
That being said I'd be interested to see what happens in the alternate universe where JD signs Corey Davis, JuJu, and a few more weapons for him in addition to drafting o lineman.
You've been reading too many Marvel comics
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Juju is more of a slot receiver.
Golladay wouldn't really make sense because we have Corey Davis and Denzel Mims on the outside.
Let Mims be WR4 if Golladay wants to come here.
He probably won't, but still.
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Saints cut Kwon Alexander
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Let Mims be WR4 if Golladay wants to come here.
He probably won't, but still.
Why not sign juju and gelladay and let Mims be wr5?
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He doesn't fit into this system.
why would we sign another wr and keep crowder?
So we don’t ever again have to start Chris Hogan, Braxton Berrios and Lawrence Cager. in week 3.
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Why not sign juju and gelladay and let Mims be wr5?
because jelloday will be too spensive
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Why not sign juju and gelladay and let Mims be wr5?
*shrug* That's where I draw my arbitrary line on what's overkill.
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Any gords that might be available via trade? I guess there's a few decent ones left- Gabe Jackson, Matt Feiler.
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Any gords that might be available via trade? I guess there's a few decent ones left- Gabe Jackson, Matt Feiler.
Feiler signed with the Chargers.
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He doesn't fit into this system.
I think you are wrong.
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Feiler signed with the Chargers.
Well, fine then.
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For the first time in a while, I feel the Jets are in a pretty good place to address their remaining needs
- Quarterback: No. 2 pick in the draft
- Offensive line: No. 23 pick, 2nd-rd pick, two 3rd-rd picks and a pick for Darnold. Maybe trade Darnold and 23 to move up for an OL?
- Cornerback: K'Waun WIlliams and Richard Sherman should be in our price range and be strong targets
- Running back: either draft or FA...RB is easiest position to fill usually
Obviously, there are several other positions we could still use upgrades at, but the defense already has added Lawson, Davis and Mosley (and Saleh), and Davis gives us a professional WR that we sorely needed. Reminds me in some ways of Eric Decker, though I think Decker is/was better.
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Any gords out there we could trade for realistically?
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Any gords out there we could trade for realistically?
Dakota Dozier
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Any gords out there we could trade for realistically?
James Carpenter
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Oday Aboushi, I get it.
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Dakota Dozier
Kyle Long...
Do you think Kyle Long and Kawann Short view themselves as archenemies?
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Any gords that might be available via trade? I guess there's a few decent ones left- Gabe Jackson, Matt Feiler.
Richie Incognito
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Raiders just cut Rodney Hudson
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Raiders just cut Rodney Hudson
https://twitter.com/BigTicket73/status/1371897828109250563?s=20
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Raiders just cut Rodney Hudson
Get it done JD
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Raiders just cut Rodney Hudson
Is he not the best interior lineman on the market without Thuney and Linsley off the board?
I’d say given we didn’t even ask about Linsley that I think we feel set at C with McGovern
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Is he not the best interior lineman on the market without Thuney and Linsley off the board?
I’d say given we didn’t even ask about Linsley that I think we feel set at C with McGovern
Hudson is one of the best centers in the league though, if the upgrade is available and it allows us to fill a hole at G as well then it makes a bunch of sense. Although I did see a Denver fan a day or two ago saying that they tried McGovern at G and he was terrible.
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god id love to sign him. i know we wont, but man that would be awesome.
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Eagles gave Zach Ertz permission to seek a trade
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Eagles gave Zach Ertz permission to seek a trade
Let's trade a 4th round pick so if he doesn't work out we can complain about how that pick would have saved the season if only it was a WR.
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Eagles gave Zach Ertz permission to seek a trade
Nobody wants that salary
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Is he not the best interior lineman on the market without Thuney and Linsley off the board?
I’d say given we didn’t even ask about Linsley that I think we feel set at C with McGovern
Hudson is one of the best centers in the league though, if the upgrade is available and it allows us to fill a hole at G as well then it makes a bunch of sense. Although I did see a Denver fan a day or two ago saying that they tried McGovern at G and he was terrible.
If he wasn't willing to kick the tires on Linsley then I think it's pretty clear Douglas feels like we're set at center.
As for guard, I'm guessing he thinks the only obvious upgrade on the market was Joe Thuney, since we didn't seem to be in play at all for Zeitler or Feiler. Clark, Lewis, and Van Roten are all his guys and it seems like he's going to roll with them or let them compete with vets of similar talent. I think it's a bad strategy.
I'd love to see us draft a guard with our second or third pick. But when you need to draft a guard with the second or third pick, you've really short-changed your late day 1 flexibility. And if we do decide to go another way because the value just isn't there, then we've failed to improve the offensive line in any meaningful way and we've done a huge disservice to either Sam Darnold or the next quarterback we're going to ruin.
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^good post, and something ive been harping on for a while.
Cap space and draft picks don’t automatically translate into good players or a good team. People were making this argument a couple years ago that Darnold would develop because we had the most cap space in the league and the #3 pick. Well, not when you turn that into Mosley, Bell, and a DT. We need to significantly improve the OL, it was not good again last year.
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^good post, and something ive been harping on for a while.
Cap space and draft picks don’t automatically translate into good players or a good team. People were making this argument a couple years ago that Darnold would develop because we had the most cap space in the league and the #3 pick. Well, not when you turn that into Mosley, Bell, and a DT. We need to significantly improve the OL, it was not good again last year.
THANK. YOU.
I have been begging for this for years. Of we do not improve the offensive line, this team will continue to produce busts at QB.
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I thought Douglas made good strides improving the line last year. We added Becton and Fant. The gords didn't work out, but we were all knob-slobbing Douglas when he signed GVR and Lewis. The Governator was an improvement as well.
I know we need to improve further, but we shouldn't act like Douglas hasn't tried to improve the line. Do you remember what we had in 2019?
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I know we need to improve further, but we shouldn't act like Douglas hasn't tried to improve the line.
Do, or do not. There is no try.
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As for guard, I'm guessing he thinks the only obvious upgrade on the market was Joe Thuney, since we didn't seem to be in play at all for Zeitler or Feiler. Clark, Lewis, and Van Roten are all his guys and it seems like he's going to roll with them or let them compete with vets of similar talent. I think it's a bad strategy.
I'd love to see us draft a guard with our second or third pick. But when you need to draft a guard with the second or third pick, you've really short-changed your late day 1 flexibility. And if we do decide to go another way because the value just isn't there, then we've failed to improve the offensive line in any meaningful way and we've done a huge disservice to either Sam Darnold or the next quarterback we're going to ruin.
Story of the team since Wayne Hunter.
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I thought Douglas made good strides improving the line last year. We added Becton and Fant. The gords didn't work out, but we were all knob-slobbing Douglas when he signed GVR and Lewis. The Governator was an improvement as well.
I know we need to improve further, but we shouldn't act like Douglas hasn't tried to improve the line. Do you remember what we had in 2019?
Sure, but it's also reasonable to be concerned that the overwhelming problem going into this offseason was the interior line, and despite having more money than anyone else we have failed to even look like we were interested in the quality upgrades that were available at the position.
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Sure, but it's also reasonable to be concerned that the overwhelming problem going into this offseason was the interior line, and despite having more money than anyone else we have failed to even look like we were interested in the quality upgrades that were available at the position.
Am I missing something? I thought we didn't show interest in Linsley. Who else did we show no interest in?
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Sure, but it's also reasonable to be concerned that the overwhelming problem going into this offseason was the interior line, and despite having more money than anyone else we have failed to even look like we were interested in the quality upgrades that were available at the position.
I believe Thuney was at the top of JD's wish list....but i don't blame him for choosing KC.
The gord positions will have to be addressed in the draft...simple as that.
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I believe Thuney was at the top of JD's wish list....but i don't blame him for choosing KC.
The gord positions will have to be addressed in the draft...simple as that.
There are a couple left that might be upgrades in free agency. Not much.
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There are a couple left that might be upgrades in free agency. Not much.
Like who? I believe you...but after Linsley and Thuney were signed, i kinda lost track of who was available.
If we manage to keep our picks intact, we should be able to land Wyatt Davis with Seattle's 1st rounder or our 2nd rd pick.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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The #Jets are bringing back WR Jeff Smith (exclusive rights free agent), per source.
Fun fact on Smith: He was the fastest player on the team last season. Hit a max speed of 21.93 mph, per @NextGenStats
I'm not even sure this deserves it's own thread
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I thought Douglas made good strides improving the line last year. We added Becton and Fant. The gords didn't work out, but we were all knob-slobbing Douglas when he signed GVR and Lewis. The Governator was an improvement as well.
I know we need to improve further, but we shouldn't act like Douglas hasn't tried to improve the line. Do you remember what we had in 2019?
It was better, and yet still among the worst in the league. The tackles were a huge upgrade but they both missed time. The interior OL was atrocious.
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At least Chuma Edoga is elite
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Like who? I believe you...but after Linsley and Thuney were signed, i kinda lost track of who was available.
If we manage to keep our picks intact, we should be able to land Wyatt Davis with Seattle's 1st rounder or our 2nd rd pick.
Gabe Jackson would probably be an upgrade.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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The #Jets are bringing back WR Jeff Smith (exclusive rights free agent), per source.
Fun fact on Smith: He was the fastest player on the team last season. Hit a max speed of 21.93 mph, per @NextGenStats
I'm not even sure this deserves it's own thread
yay
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We could still sign Rodney Hudson or David Andrews at C and move McGovern to G but it doesn’t sound like Douglas has any interest in doing that. Or maybe he just didn’t want to pay the most expensive center in the league.
McGovern wasn’t good last year and certainly not good enough to prevent us from making a clear upgrade at 2 OL positions of need with 1 move.
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I believe Thuney was at the top of JD's wish list....but i don't blame him for choosing KC.
The gord positions will have to be addressed in the draft...simple as that.
Trey Smith & Wyatt Davis SZN
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Am I missing something? I thought we didn't show interest in Linsley. Who else did we show no interest in?
I think that I would have been willing to give Elflein the $4.5M a year that Carolina did given he was our best guard (albeit that's a tallest dwarf contest).
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I think that I would have been willing to give Elflein the $4.5M a year that Carolina did given he was our best guard (albeit that's a tallest dwarf contest).
Def would have signed Zeitler for what he got from BAL
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Am I missing something? I thought we didn't show interest in Linsley. Who else did we show no interest in?
We didn't go after Linsley because Douglas is confident in McGovern and does not want to move him to guard.
We went after Thuney and supposedly were in it 'til the end. He chose to go to the best team in the AFC for a ton of cash. Can't blame him. The Jets didn't have a chance once the Chiefs came in with that offer.
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Zeitler and Thuney chose to go to contenders.
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We didn't go after Linsley because Douglas is confident in McGovern and does not want to move him to guard.
We went after Thuney and supposedly were in it 'til the end. He chose to go to the best team in the AFC for a ton of cash. Can't blame him. The Jets didn't have a chance once the Chiefs came in with that offer.
I agree. Seems like it was just 1 good player we weren't interested in.
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Trey Smith & Wyatt Davis SZN
Creed Humphrey is probably Joe's second favorite player in the draft behind Penei Sewell.
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I agree. Seems like it was just 1 good player we weren't interested in.
Some of these second and third tier offensive linemen are better than what we have at guard.
The beat talked about Douglas shifting from aggressive to opportunistic now. He is going to wait for deals again.
The past two offseasons reminds me of the Eric Mangini years.
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If the WR market is as bad as it seems to be, we can probably bring back Breshad Perriman for pennies.
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I think that I would have been willing to give Elflein the $4.5M a year that Carolina did given he was our best guard (albeit that's a tallest dwarf contest).
Elflein was one of the worst pass blockers in the league last year.
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If the WR market is as bad as it seems to be, we can probably bring back Breshad Perriman for pennies.
I saw on NFLN this morning, a lot of these free agent WRs are going to avoid long-term deals this year because the cap is so low from COVID. They are going to sign 1 year deals and cash in next year when the cap goes way up. Assuming solid play, I think we'll find we got a steal of a deal with Corey Davis when these massive WR deals happen next year. We may be done in the WR market except for a short deal with someone like Perriman.
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I saw on NFLN this morning, a lot of these free agent WRs are going to avoid long-term deals this year because the cap is so low from COVID. They are going to sign 1 year deals and cash in next year when the cap goes way up. Assuming solid play, I think we'll find we got a steal of a deal with Corey Davis when these massive WR deals happen next year. We may be done in the WR market except for a short deal with someone like Perriman.
I think Corey Davis was a "must have" for LaFleur, because he's an elite run blocker. Perfect for the run game they want to establish here.
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Elflein was one of the worst pass blockers in the league last year.
And yet still significantly better than Lewis, if only by virtue of the fact that he wasn't a penalty machine.
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And yet still significantly better than Lewis, if only by virtue of the fact that he wasn't a penalty machine.
so your solution is to compare turds?
k
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
· 12m
The #Jets are bringing back WR Jeff Smith (exclusive rights free agent), per source.
Fun fact on Smith: He was the fastest player on the team last season. Hit a max speed of 21.93 mph, per @NextGenStats
I'm not even sure this deserves it's own thread
I don't like this.
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I think Corey Davis was a "must have" for LaFleur, because he's an elite run blocker. Perfect for the run game they want to establish here.
I'm actually really excited about this feature of his game. Both him and mims are dominant run blockers.
Ty Johnson outside zone all day
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so your solution is to compare turds?
k
That's all we can do, until Joe D decides to address the OL with quality starters vs shopping for lineman at the Goodwill Store
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I don't like this.
You don't like resigning players to league minimums for depth? It's not like you're marrying the guy
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That's all we can do, until Joe D decides to address the OL with quality starters vs shopping for lineman at the Goodwill Store
JD will do his damage at the draft. I'm not worried.
I never expected JD to fill all their holes in FA. He landed a stud pass rusher, and a potential #1 WR. I think he's doing a great job thus far in FA.
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You don't like resigning players to league minimums for depth? It's not like you're marrying the guy
Yeah this is a far cry from the time they paid Darryl Roberts real money.
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That's all we can do, until Joe D decides to address the OL with quality starters vs shopping for lineman at the Goodwill Store
He upgraded the tackles very well and did not pay Fant bargain basement prices. I think the jury is still out on McGovern and Douglas didn't get him for cheap either. I'd like to see how McGovern does with better guards next to him (if that happens). Clearly the guard situation didn't work out as planned.
Last year we had 2 above average tackles, an average center and bad guards. The year before that, we had an average tackle and 4 bad players on the rest of the line. I'd say that's an upgrade and we all agreed that you can't turn around a line as bad as 2019 in 1 year. We have solved 40% of it, not including if McGovern plays better. Now gords.
I'm interested to see if the new offensive scheme helps or hurts our offensive line.
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Paul Hembekides
@PaulHembo
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1h
Most guaranteed money spent in free agency since 2016:
1. Jets ($341 million)
2. Jaguars ($318 million)
Worst record in NFL since 2016:
31. Jaguars (25-55 W-L)
32. Jets (23-57 W-L)
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^ we're in a new, better era.
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^ we're in a new, better era.
Nah dude. We need to keep shelling out shitty contracts to big name players.
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Keanu Neal is open to play some LB. Sign that beast today.
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He upgraded the tackles very well and did not pay Fant bargain basement prices. I think the jury is still out on McGovern and Douglas didn't get him for cheap either. I'd like to see how McGovern does with better guards next to him (if that happens). Clearly the guard situation didn't work out as planned.
Last year we had 2 above average tackles, an average center and bad guards. The year before that, we had an average tackle and 4 bad players on the rest of the line. I'd say that's an upgrade and we all agreed that you can't turn around a line as bad as 2019 in 1 year. We have solved 40% of it, not including if McGovern plays better. Now gords.
I'm interested to see if the new offensive scheme helps or hurts our offensive line.
Go get Rodney Hudson
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Aside from Thuney, FA has gone as well as we would have liked. Can't fault JD for Thuney either. JD landed what could be the best passrusher we've had in the last decade, a very capable WR, an elite ST player and depth at LB.
I think he'll still sign a CB, and maybe a RB plus another depth receiver and edge rusher.
Guard might have to wait til the draft.
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We have a ton of draft picks. Yes, we need to address offensive line. But even if we don't sign a single offensive linemen in free agency, I'm not going to get annoyed until after the draft.
It seems like WR and CB are going to be addressed in free agency. We could really use an infusion of young, talented, cost-controlled offensive linemen. As we all know, we rarely draft OL with high picks. We can take 2 OL in Days 1 and 2 and address the need.
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Aside from Thuney, FA has gone as well as we would have liked. Can't fault JD for Thuney either. JD landed what could be the best passrusher we've had in the last decade, a very capable WR, an elite ST player and depth at LB.
I think he'll still sign a CB, and maybe a RB plus another depth receiver and edge rusher.
Guard might have to wait til the draft.
The Guard market was terrible it was Thuney or bust and unless we tossed him $20 million a year we weren’t winning the fight over KC. The problem is there is nothing that’s an obvious upgrade on the market.
I’m all for Hudson but clearly JD and co think McGovern can be a quality C which means they probably won’t get involved there either.
I’d guess the plan is to find value guys in the secondary and the the LB corps and possibly another edge. Then in the draft go OL heavy in the mid rounds.
I’d say it’s not an impossibility we could take 3 straight OL. In my head it goes something like this for an OL board from 34 - 87.
Creed Humphrey / Wyatt Davis / Landon Dickerson / Daniel Faalele/ Trey Smith / Josh Myers
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Keanu Neal is open to play some LB. Sign that beast today.
He would be a great rotational piece at SS & Will.
Maye, Davis, Neal gives you some depth and flexibility at safety to align with the team you're playing.
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The Guard market was terrible it was Thuney or bust and unless we tossed him $20 million a year we weren’t winning the fight over KC. The problem is there is nothing that’s an obvious upgrade on the market.
i dont think thuney ever intended on signing somewhere that wasnt able to compete right now. dude seems like he wants to win above all, and if he can get paid and win? shitttttt
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EDGE was the most important position for us to find in FA and Douglas did that with an ascending player.
It's a premium position. So is wideout.
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Our biggest need right now is cornerback. We are incredibly thin there.
IOL is strong in this draft class. That draft completes the offseason. If our IOL isn't stronger after FA and the draft then Douglas should be questioned. He might have another George Fant-like guard signing up his sleeve.
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Our biggest need right now is cornerback. We are incredibly thin there.
IOL is strong in this draft class. That draft completes the offseason. If our IOL isn't stronger after FA and the draft then Douglas should be questioned. He might have another George Fant-like guard signing up his sleeve.
I expect 2 cb signings ahead of the draft.
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You don't like resigning players to league minimums for depth? It's not like you're marrying the guy
I don't like Jeff Smith.
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I expect 2 cb signings ahead of the draft.
I don't mean nickel. I expect us to either bring back Brian Poole or sign K'Waun Williams because of scheme familiarity.
We need outside corners. We can't go into the season with Bless Austin and Bryce Hall as starters.
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https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1372215999441801219?s=19
Sources: Batman
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Our biggest need right now is cornerback. We are incredibly thin there.
IOL is strong in this draft class. That draft completes the offseason. If our IOL isn't stronger after FA and the draft then Douglas should be questioned. He might have another George Fant-like guard signing up his sleeve.
100%.
This offseason, we desperately need to address
- EDGE (done)
- OL (TBD)
- WR (partly done)
- CB (TBD)
- LB (done)
- QB (TBD)
- RB (TBD)
OL, QB and RB can easily be taken care of in the draft. Some good veteran CBs out there that fit our system that we can have Bryce Hall learn from.
If we don't have OL reinforcements after the draft, I'll worry.
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1372239640959270916?s=19
The jets need to step up here.
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1372239640959270916?s=19
The jets need to step up here.
Steal him today
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Steal him today
Jesus Christ Jackson
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1372239640959270916?s=19
The jets need to step up here.
Steal him today
I'd be stunned if we made an offer and NE didn't match. Can't see BB letting him sign with us
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https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1372215999441801219?s=19
Sources: Batman
We need the depth, do it if he seems healthy.
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Jets resign Josh Adams
Getting ready for the parade
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Jets resign Josh Adams
Getting ready for the parade
Big RB, thought he looked pretty good in limited time last year. OK as 3rd RB.
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Arizona continues to build around Murray and trade a 3rd round pick for Rodney Hudson and a 7th.
A reasonable price that I would have paid to sure up the interior.
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Arizona continues to build around Murray and trade a 3rd round pick for Rodney Hudson and a 7th.
A reasonable price that I would have paid to sure up the interior.
Why is this in the NYJ Free Agency thread?
Good for Arizona. I'm sure signing a 32 year old center and washed vets like JJ Watt and AJ Green will take them to the Super Bowl.
Last time I checked, they still have a shitty coach.
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Why is this in the NYJ Free Agency thread?
Good for Arizona. I'm sure signing a 32 year old center and washed vets like JJ Watt and AJ Green will take them to the Super Bowl.
Last time I checked, they still have a shitty coach.
Same reason the JC Jackson posts are in this thread. Hudson was available and was someone worth looking into to upgrade the team.
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Steal him today
Poison pill that baby up
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Well, we now have the most cap space in the NFL. Yay.
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Well, we now have the most cap space in the NFL. Yay.
Everything going according to plan.
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Well, we now have the most cap space in the NFL. Yay.
Everything going according to plan.
This was my original fear all along. JD sitting on a pile of cash as if he has an incentive to save every penny.
Not saying blow money a la Tanny...but if we’re sitting on $50M and this is all we do in FA, I’ll be truly disappointed
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This was my original fear all along. JD sitting on a pile of cash as if he has an incentive to save every penny.
Not saying blow money a la Tanny...but if we’re sitting on $50M and this is all we do in FA, I’ll be truly disappointed
It's only day 3...don't be scared.
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It's only day 3...don't be scared.
I'll shut up when we fix the interior OLine.
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I'll shut up when we fix the interior OLine.
It's not happening in FA...
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This was my original fear all along. JD sitting on a pile of cash as if he has an incentive to save every penny.
Not saying blow money a la Tanny...but if we’re sitting on $50M and this is all we do in FA, I’ll be truly disappointed
Our team was depth deficient. We could use that $50 million to sign 10 - $5 million a year guys and improve the depth at a ton of positions across the board.
Ultimately I believe JD is going to make 2 more “serious” moves, an outside CB capable of starting and at RB. Then he will bring in a handful of guys along the Justin Hardee signing and help fill out the bottom of the roster and improve depth and ST. My guess is we ultimately add 9-11 free agents this offseason (does not include trades) and by count we have 4 already, Corey Davis, Carl Lawson, Jarrad Davis, Justin Hardee.
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It's not happening in FA...
Why not? He “tried” last year in FA and results were abysmal...maybe he should try to go after some more proven commodities if he actually wants to improve the OL. Because the only thing he’s done so far was draft Becton and that’s a pick everyone on this board was capable of making, so...
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Our team was depth deficient. We could use that $50 million to sign 10 - $5 million a year guys and improve the depth at a ton of positions across the board.
Ultimately I believe JD is going to make 2 more “serious” moves, an outside CB capable of starting and at RB. Then he will bring in a handful of guys along the Justin Hardee signing and help fill out the bottom of the roster and improve depth and ST. My guess is we ultimately add 9-11 free agents this offseason (does not include trades) and by count we have 4 already, Corey Davis, Carl Lawson, Jarrad Davis, Justin Hardee.
You’re more optimistic than I. Hope you’re right
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Why not? He “tried” last year in FA and results were abysmal...maybe he should try to go after some more proven commodities if he actually wants to improve the OL. Because the only thing he’s done so far was draft Becton and that’s a pick everyone on this board was capable of making, so...
Because thuney and Linsley are off the board. Douglas will turn to the draft to fix IOL.
Which is fine. The OL class is deep this year.
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Because thuney and Linsley are off the board. Douglas will turn to the draft to fix IOL.
Which is fine. The OL class is deep this year.
This is the unironic version of “we should draft some gords”
We’ve been saying this for like 12 years and it still hasn’t panned out
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Last good OG we drafted:
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This is the unironic version of “we should draft some gords”
We’ve been saying this for like 12 years and it still hasn’t panned out
Don't worry we're gonna grab G Jorp Luton out of Alcorn State in the 5th round, kind of a raw prospect but he could develop into a starter, kind of a steal tbh
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Last good OG we drafted:
Randy Thomas?
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Randy Thomas?
Is this a real person or the last homegrown starter we’ve had at guard
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Finally JE gets his comeuppance when the people who have been saying Brian Winters is the worst for years have to admit that he is actually, in fact, the best
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Is this a real person or the last homegrown starter we’ve had at guard
We drafted Randy Thomas in 1999, started almost every game through 2002 until he left via the Jetskins exodus.
Finally JE gets his comeuppance when the people who have been saying Brian Winters is the worst for years have to admit that he is actually, in fact, the best
Forgot he existed.
I'm still going with Thomas because he was actually missed after we lost him. Winters was, at best, admittedly not as bad as some said.
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Is this a real person or the last homegrown starter we’ve had at guard
*Brandon Moore was homegrown but he was UDFA and you said drafted
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I love when people say to be patient, we'll get our guard soon. GordSquad been waiting for a quality gord signing/drafting since 2008. We demand satisfaction.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HoarseLinearAmmonite-max-1mb.gif)
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Damn GordSquad about to rise up and carry that momentum straight to the Peen Train
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Who needs a QB when you have Penei Sewell, Wyatt Davis, and Deonte Brown
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Who needs a QB when you have Penei Sewell, Wyatt Davis, and Deonte Brown
Don't forget Danny Falafels
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All picks go to gords. Gorddome. 9 gords enter, 2 gords leave.
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*Brandon Moore was homegrown but he was UDFA and you said drafted
Didn't he play DT first and later converted to guard?
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Didn't he play DT first and later converted to guard?
Pretty sure he converter in TC.
freaking SFD get out of my head lol.
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This is the unironic version of “we should draft some gords”
We’ve been saying this for like 12 years and it still hasn’t panned out
This.
Without looking back, I am confident that every post I've put up on the boards talking about offseason needs since Brick and Nick were young starts with the letters: OL.
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1372560205620379648?s=20
Jets trying to get Juju
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well well well
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1372560205620379648?s=20
Jets trying to get Juju
Sam Darnold TikTok Revival SZN
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This was my original fear all along. JD sitting on a pile of cash as if he has an incentive to save every penny.
Not saying blow money a la Tanny...but if we’re sitting on $50M and this is all we do in FA, I’ll be truly disappointed
I'd be very surprised if we don't make at least one more relatively big move. JuJu is a possibility.
There's also a QB with a $40M cap hit in 2022 that I wouldn't mind trading for and leaving some room for.
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Woody trying to sign him because he thought his name was Jew Jew and he was the supreme CPA.
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I love when people say to be patient, we'll get our guard soon. GordSquad been waiting for a quality gord signing/drafting since 2008. We demand satisfaction.
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Amen
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https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1372569920907706368
Oh well. Probably the ole "use the Jets for a cash boost".
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https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1372569920907706368
Oh well. Probably the ole "use the Jets for a cash boost".
Joe Douglas doesn't fall for that excrement. Or at least he hasn't yet.
I'd rather him return to Pittsburgh than go to Miami.
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Popcorn time.
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It seemed like Juju was set on leaving Pittsburgh prior to FA
WR would immediately go from a huge weakness to potentially a strength with the addition of Davis and Juju
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Would you rather have:
1. Crowder for this year
2. Ju-Ju for 3 years or so at the same price
3. Extend Crowder for a couple of years
Honestly, I think Crowder is one of the best slot WR in the game and very underrated. He's only 4 years older, not like he's 35 or something. I haven't watched Ju-Ju to know if he's better in the slot, but his size gives him the ability to be more than just a slot WR.
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Would you rather have:
1. Crowder for this year
2. Ju-Ju for 3 years or so at the same price
3. Extend Crowder for a couple of years
Honestly, I think Crowder is one of the best slot WR in the game and very underrated. He's only 4 years older, not like he's 35 or something. I haven't watched Ju-Ju to know if he's better in the slot, but his size gives him the ability to be more than just a slot WR.
Juju is significantly better and younger. It's a no-brainer.
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I dont know why everyone is assuming we have to cut Crowder if the Jets sign Juju. Money isn't an issue and I would think a competent coach can make it work, especially when the Jets don't have a notable TE.
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I dont know why everyone is assuming we have to cut Crowder if the Jets sign Juju. Money isn't an issue and I would think a competent coach can make it work, especially when the Jets don't have a notable TE.
Crowder would likely want out because his role would be diminished
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I dont know why everyone is assuming we have to cut Crowder if the Jets sign Juju. Money isn't an issue and I would think a competent coach can make it work, especially when the Jets don't have a notable TE.
Getting ready to say the same thing. We have the cash. The Chiefs don't have any issue using a bunch of video game WRs out there. Just need a QB.
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I dont know why everyone is assuming we have to cut Crowder if the Jets sign Juju. Money isn't an issue and I would think a competent coach can make it work, especially when the Jets don't have a notable TE.
Juju will be on fairly big money if we get him, and Crowder's making $11M this year. Assuming Mims and Davis will be the two outside receivers on the majority of plays, I'm not sure we'd be getting great value from spending $20M+ on our WR3 and WR4.
That said, Crowder's only got a year left on his deal. If he wants to extend it and reduce the cap hit then it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but I'd imagine he can get more on the market.
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Crowder would likely want out because his role would be diminished
This seems very likely, unless we're running 4WR sets 90% of the time.
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well well well
too bad you guys fired Douglas this morning.
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too bad you guys fired Douglas this morning.
Why do you fanboy so hard for him?
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Can Crowder or JuJu play outside? Both are mainly slot guys. I'm not sure JuJu is really better than Crowder, but he is younger, and he does have an elite season under his belt, so there may be more untapped potential. He's probably a better fit for the system because of his physicality. I trust JuJu's health a little more, too.
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Why do you fanboy so hard for him?
He's still inside the 2 year MB tolerance window. Most coaches and execs get 2 years with him, then most fall off a cliff and their immediate firing is demanded.
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Why do you fanboy so hard for him?
Because he isn't the same turds we've hired for the last decade. And i choose to believe, rather than mire myself in bitterness.
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He's still inside the 2 year MB tolerance window. Most coaches and execs get 2 years with him, then most fall off a cliff and their immediate firing is demanded.
Much better than hating everyone from the get-go...how's that working out for you?
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Can Crowder or JuJu play outside? Both are mainly slot guys. I'm not sure JuJu is really better than Crowder, but he is younger, and he does have an elite season under his belt, so there may be more untapped potential. He's probably a better fit for the system because of his physicality. I trust JuJu's health a little more, too.
Juju can play outside, he's just better in the slot
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Juju can play outside, he's just better in the slot
If a JuJu signing happens....i could see JD going all out on OL with our 2nd rounder and Seattle's 1st rounder. Hopefully Cato doesn't kill himself before then.
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If a JuJu signing happens....i could see JD going all out on OL with our 2nd rounder and Seattle's 1st rounder. Hopefully Cato doesn't kill himself before then.
The Jets desperately need help at corner too
Can't fix it all
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I guess we could get a mid-round pick for Crowder in the trade market?
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The Jets desperately need help at corner too
Can't fix it all
We didn't build a Super Bowl winning roster in the first 3 days of FA.....so it's a moot point anyway.
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The Jets desperately need help at corner too
Can't fix it all
They can split those picks between OL and CB. OLine should be a priority until it isn't a weakness.
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No one in the AFC is prepared for a stronger Kansas City team.
The Jets should take the QB at #2 and build around him.
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We didn't build a Super Bowl winning roster in the past 50 years .....so it's a moot point anyway.
FYP
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Much better than hating everyone from the get-go...how's that working out for you?
Given the only coach or GM I've done that with was Gase, just fine.
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I may just be slightly pessimistic, but with the assumption that the Jets do sign Juju... I have a hard time believing all 4 are healthy throughout the entire season. Crowder has a decent injury history and Mims was barely healthy his rookie year. Having 4 legitimate weapons for a young QB wouldn't be a bad thing.
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I may just be slightly pessimistic, but with the assumption that the Jets do sign Juju... I have a hard time believing all 4 are healthy throughout the entire season. Crowder has a decent injury history and Mims was barely healthy his rookie year. Having 4 legitimate weapons for a young QB wouldn't be a bad thing.
I'd rather bail on Crowder and draft another WR if we sign Juju. There are a ton of good WRs in this draft, then again it seems that way every year.
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I may just be slightly pessimistic, but with the assumption that the Jets do sign Juju... I have a hard time believing all 4 are healthy throughout the entire season. Crowder has a decent injury history and Mims was barely healthy his rookie year. Having 4 legitimate weapons for a young QB wouldn't be a bad thing.
You make an adulterous point...
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I guess we could get a mid-round pick for Crowder in the trade market?
If we sign JuJu I say keep Crowder at least through this year unless someone is offering a 4th or better for him. There should be no rush to get rid of the only productive offensive player we've had recently.
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If we sign JuJu I say keep Crowder at least through this year unless someone is offering a 4th or better for him. There should be no rush to get rid of the only productive offensive player we've had recently.
Crowder 4 Gunt. Straight up.
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If we sign JuJu I say keep Crowder at least through this year unless someone is offering a 4th or better for him. There should be no rush to get rid of the only productive offensive player we've had recently.
I'm fine with keeping Crowder. Davis, Mims, Juju and Crowder is a solid WR group
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If we sign JuJu I say keep Crowder at least through this year unless someone is offering a 4th or better for him. There should be no rush to get rid of the only productive offensive player we've had recently.
If we sign JuJu, Crowder is gone. There's no way we're keeping that $10M cap hit on the books.
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If we sign JuJu, Crowder is gone. There's no way we're keeping that $10M cap hit on the books.
Why not, he's worth that much.
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Why not, he's worth that much.
In a perfect world, we would. I just can't see us keeping Crowder on the books as a fourth receiver after signing Davis and Smith-Schuster.
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Why not, he's worth that much.
Threaten to trade him to Houston if he doesn't agree to salary reduction. League minimum. In fact, do that with our entire roster.
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If we sign Fuller or Golladay, I would be fine keeping Crowder. I don't think it would happen, but Crowder could play the slot role, and Mims could develop behind Davis and Fuller/Golladay as our WR4.
Crowder and JuJu are too redundant IMO.
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In a perfect world, we would. I just can't see us keeping Crowder on the books as a fourth receiver after signing Davis and Smith-Schuster.
It’s splitting hairs, but I think Mims would be the 4.
I would rather have Crowder than the $10M or whatever that could get us. Unless it’s an OG, a better receiver, or upgrade at TE, I have zero interest.
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If we sign Fuller or Golladay, I would be fine keeping Crowder. I don't think it would happen, but Crowder could play the slot role, and Mims could develop behind Davis and Fuller/Golladay as our WR4.
Crowder and JuJu are too redundant IMO.
Essentially this
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If we sign Fuller or Golladay, I would be fine keeping Crowder. I don't think it would happen, but Crowder could play the slot role, and Mims could develop behind Davis and Fuller/Golladay as our WR4.
Crowder and JuJu are too redundant IMO.
This is the best argument against keeping Crowder; if the team signs Juju and there just isn't any work for him then there is no reason to keep him.
His own injury history along with Mims' last season are the best arguments for not cutting any talent at WR
He's on an expiring contract and if we're not spending the money on anyone else we might as well let him play out the final year.
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JJSS Slot snaps according to FBO:
2017: 57%
2018: 65%
2019: 77%
Couldn’t find data for 2020, but saw he lead the league in receptions from the slot.
Juju’s statistically best seasons were ‘17 and ‘18.
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Smith-Schuster is way more versatile than Crowder
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Crowder or Davis go down were back to square 1
You roll with Davis juju mims crowder
Bye bye crowder after this yr and have depth for once in like 20 yrs
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Why is everyone always trying to save freaking money with this team?
I say this every damn year. I don't want to just throw away money, but dumping a guy like Crowder to save $10M does what? Give us more cap space to look at "for next year"? Again?
If the Jets get JuJu, fantastic. Unless Crowder straight-up requests a trade, keep him as well. You can't have too many weapons for a QB--whether that's Darnold or Wilson.
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Why is everyone always trying to save freaking money with this team?
I say this every damn year. I don't want to just throw away money, but dumping a guy like Crowder to save $10M does what? Give us more cap space to look at "for next year"? Again?
If the Jets get JuJu, fantastic. Unless Crowder straight-up requests a trade, keep him as well. You can't have too many weapons for a QB--whether that's Darnold or Wilson.
This. And if by some miracle Watson is eventually traded and the Jets are interested, having a really good group of 4 WR's is a solid selling point for the NTC.
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Why is everyone always trying to save freaking money with this team?
I say this every damn year. I don't want to just throw away money, but dumping a guy like Crowder to save $10M does what? Give us more cap space to look at "for next year"? Again?
If the Jets get JuJu, fantastic. Unless Crowder straight-up requests a trade, keep him as well. You can't have too many weapons for a QB--whether that's Darnold or Wilson.
Its not about saving money its about using money ineffectiveness.
Why spend 7.5% of the cap on a player who will be 4th string?
Why not trade an expiring asset for value
Why have 4 wide recievers on the roster that can't contribute to any part of special teams
Its stupid and bad roster management
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This. And if by some miracle Watson is eventually traded and the Jets are interested, having a really good group of 4 WR's is a solid selling point for the NTC.
Watson is about to be out of the league
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Smith-Schuster is way more versatile than Crowder
So he can play outside and they're not redundant then.
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So he can play outside and they're not redundant then.
This
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Watson is about to be out of the league
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JuJu definitely more versatile than Crowder. But the Steelers thought he was best used as a slot receiver. They could be wrong, and it could just be to accomodate Johnson and Washington, but that's where he mostly has played.
I'm certainly not going to be upset if they sign a new WR and also keep Crowder. But I agree with Insanity that it isn't a good use of money. We have the cap space where we can afford it though.
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You can point to Jameis Winston and Ben Roethlisberger when it comes to how shitty the league has been on this stuff, but there's been a serious shift in how these kind of allegations and charges are viewed over the last few years.
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You can point to Jameis Winston and Ben Roethlisberger when it comes to how shitty the league has been on this stuff, but there's been a serious shift in how these kind of allegations and charges are viewed over the last few years.
I totally agree. And there should be a change.
Something about these accusations seems off though. Lawyers seems shady. Lawyer has ties to the owner, who probably has interest in smearing Watson out the door. Getting some Michael Avenatti vibes here.
That said, I'm probably giving Watson the benefit of the doubt because he's always seemed like a great guy on and off the field, and that isn't fair because that's only a tiny window into who Watson really is as a person. Every time someone turns out to be a rapist or murderer or something awful, someone comes out and will say "he seemed like a nice guy," so I recognize this could be a horrible way to look at this. Plus, I want him to be a Jet, so there's some fandom creeping in where I hope it isn't true.
That said, the Chiefs kept Tyreek Hill. Easier to do that with a WR than a QB, but there's still a ways to go.
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You can point to Jameis Winston and Ben Roethlisberger when it comes to how shitty the league has been on this stuff, but there's been a serious shift in how these kind of allegations and charges are viewed over the last few years.
Also, Brett Favre.
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Also, Brett Favre.
Brett Favre was already on his way out when his stuff surfaced
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Brett Favre was already on his way out when his stuff surfaced
Still guilty of sexual harassment and spoken of glowingly by the NFL.
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I know that no one likes to talk about the RB position since you can fill it with someone bagging groceries at Stop & Shop apparently... but we still don't have anyone worth giving 100 touches to.
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lmao Laxin has the goofy giant avatar now
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I know that no one likes to talk about the RB position since you can fill it with someone bagging groceries at Stop & Shop apparently... but we still don't have anyone worth giving 100 touches to.
Ty Johnson SZN
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lmao Laxin has the goofy giant avatar now
lol yeah that was a fail. idk why it did that
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Its not about saving money its about using money ineffectiveness.
Why spend 7.5% of the cap on a player who will be 4th string?
Why not trade an expiring asset for value
Why have 4 wide recievers on the roster that can't contribute to any part of special teams
Its stupid and bad roster management
You're right.
We should spend that money on an offensive lineman instead. Oops.
If they trade him, I won't complain. There's value in trade. But I wouldn't actively look for a trade if he doesn't ask for one.
This team, and seemingly a lot of the fanbase, loves to save money. For what? We carry money every year with this idea "We're gonna spend it on big-ticket guys next year!" And every year we don't. Woody's bank account just gets bigger.
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You're right.
We should spend that money on an offensive lineman instead. Oops.
If they trade him, I won't complain. There's value in trade. But I wouldn't actively look for a trade if he doesn't ask for one.
This team, and seemingly a lot of the fanbase, loves to save money. For what? We carry money every year with this idea "We're gonna spend it on big-ticket guys next year!" And every year we don't. Woody's bank account just gets bigger.
what are you complaining about?
the Jets have blown a ton of money on FAs in the recent past, and we still ended up picking in the top 10 of the draft.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the way Douglas has approached FA this year.
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what are you complaining about?
the Jets have blown a ton of money on FAs in the recent past, and we still ended up picking in the top 10 of the draft.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the way Douglas has approached FA this year.
He's talking about the idea of cutting Crowder (and he's right).
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He's talking about the idea of cutting Crowder (and he's right).
I'd prefer to keep Crowder, but i'm indifferent. Provided a suitable upgrade replaces him.
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what are you complaining about?
the Jets have blown a ton of money on FAs in the recent past, and we still ended up picking in the top 10 of the draft.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the way Douglas has approached FA this year.
You're arguing against something I'm not saying.
It makes no sense to just dump Crowder if we manage to bring in JuJu. If Crowder says "Hey, could you trade me somewhere I'll play more" then sure, I'd respect the wish because he's been a good soldier.
But I wouldn't just decide to dump him. He's a good locker room guy and talented. The $10M isn't going to be spent elsewhere this year. So what is the need to get rid of him?
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I'd prefer to keep Crowder, but i'm indifferent. Provided a suitable upgrade replaces him.
The key to success is signing new good players so you have the flexibility to get rid of existing good players.
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You're arguing against something I'm not saying.
It makes no sense to just dump Crowder if we manage to bring in JuJu. If Crowder says "Hey, could you trade me somewhere I'll play more" then sure, I'd respect the wish because he's been a good soldier.
But I wouldn't just decide to dump him. He's a good locker room guy and talented. The $10M isn't going to be spent elsewhere this year. So what is the need to get rid of him?
You'll see when Zach Wilson wins AFC ROY he'll say it was all due to the extra $10M in cap space.
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You're arguing against something I'm not saying.
It makes no sense to just dump Crowder if we manage to bring in JuJu. If Crowder says "Hey, could you trade me somewhere I'll play more" then sure, I'd respect the wish because he's been a good soldier.
But I wouldn't just decide to dump him. He's a good locker room guy and talented. The $10M isn't going to be spent elsewhere this year. So what is the need to get rid of him?
Yes...Badger clued me in. I gave my 2 cents. I'm indifferent on Crowder.
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The key to success is signing new good players so you have the flexibility to get rid of existing good players.
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Keep Crowder if no one else added.
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We're one Crowder release away from a Super Bowl roster.
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The Keelan Cole addition makes things a lot easier IMO. We have a solid top 4 receivers now. If we bring in someone else, odds are, we would cut Crowder. And if we don't bring in anyone else, keep him and reallocate money.
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Broke: Cut Crowder
Woke: Cut Corey Davis
Bespoke: Cut Braxton Berrios
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Perriman to the Lions for $3M
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Troy Hill, Desmond King, and Kevin Johnson off the board.
Who’s left at CB?
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Troy Hill, Desmond King, and Kevin Johnson off the board.
Who’s left at CB?
JCJ
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Bears are releasing veteran CB Kyle Fuller, sources say, a cap casualty. In a tough 2021 offseason, this is Chicago’s only cut due to cap space. A former All-Pro corner now hits the market.
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JCJ (RFA)
Fuller
Sherman
Rhodes
Poole or Williams for slot
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Hughes says the Jets haven’t talked to K’Waun Williams or Adoree Jackson
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Hughes says the Jets haven’t talked to K’Waun Williams or Adoree Jackson
I am Batman!
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Bengals releasing Geno Atkins, sign this beast and put him back next to Carl
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Bengals releasing Geno Atkins, sign this beast and put him back next to Carl
He'd be a pretty sweet rotational tackle
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I think I have Fuller on top of my wish list followed by a Juju for Crowder swap
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https://twitter.com/pff/status/1372957401595412482?s=21
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I think I have Fuller on top of my wish list followed by a Juju for Crowder swap
Fuller already signed with Miami.
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Fuller already signed with Miami.
Other Fuller. Kyle.
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Other Fuller. Kyle.
Yeah but still
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Juju back to Steelers
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JuJu to the #Steelers on a 1-year worth $8M, source said. He had better offers from the #Ravens and the #Chiefs. But stays in PIT.
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So we would have had to pay him something like 10-12M+
Not sure why he didn’t go to the Chiefs for more money.
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So we would have had to pay him something like 10-12M+
Not sure why he didn’t go to the Chiefs for more money.
Guessing he's betting on himself with one more season in a familiar offensive situation in order to get a better long-term deal in 2022 than KC was offering.
I don't know if KC was offering a one-year deal at more money, but then he's 3rd fiddle behind Hill and Kelce.
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I don't know if KC was offering a one-year deal at more money, but then he's 3rd fiddle behind Hill and Kelce.
And he'd still catch 80 balls, easy. Really strange decision. A prove-it deal in an offense that has already disproved-it.
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Should we cut Crowder just to be safe?
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Should we cut Crowder just to be safe?
Yeah, we'll need the cap space to sign Thuney in 2026
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Crowder is making more than JuJu and Will Fuller are making.
I really want to see what Douglas does with this cap space because it seems like there are some discounted deals to be had on the market. I think there's going to be one more relatively big ticket item, whether it's a FA or a trade.
All these WR deals are reasonable. I don't know just how much the Jets tax is, but even if we had paid a little more, I would be fine with it.
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Crowder is making more than JuJu and Will Fuller are making.
I really want to see what Douglas does with this cap space because it seems like there are some discounted deals to be had on the market. I think there's going to be one more relatively big ticket item, whether it's a FA or a trade.
All these WR deals are reasonable. I don't know just how much the Jets tax is, but even if we had paid a little more, I would be fine with it.
I think we just went over this, Juju wasn’t signing here for $8M
No one has even reported that the Jets made an offer. The Schefter report from the other day now seems like his agent trying to drive up his market
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Crowder is making more than JuJu and Will Fuller are making.
I really want to see what Douglas does with this cap space because it seems like there are some discounted deals to be had on the market. I think there's going to be one more relatively big ticket item, whether it's a FA or a trade.
All these WR deals are reasonable. I don't know just how much the Jets tax is, but even if we had paid a little more, I would be fine with it.
A number of us have been saying this about every GM of this team going back to Tannenbaum. The answer has been, at the very least, consistent: nothing.
Sorry, we "roll it over to the next year."
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A number of us have been saying this about every GM of this team going back to Tannenbaum. The answer has been, at the very least, consistent: nothing.
Sorry, we "roll it over to the next year."
The Jets have signed 7 FAs so far. Are you sad that we didn't overpay for them Duff style?
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I think we just went over this, Juju wasn’t signing here for $8M
No one has even reported that the Jets made an offer. The Schefter report from the other day now seems like his agent trying to drive up his market
Okay, but should we have made an offer? I know we would have had to pay more. Better teams than us would have had to pay more.
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Crowder is making more than JuJu and Will Fuller are making.
Because he signed before coronavirus.
These players and their agents are signing short terms to cash in next year.
Juju turned down KC and Baltimore to re-sign with Pittsburgh. He wasn't coming here...ever.
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Okay, but should we have made an offer? I know we would have had to pay more. Better teams than us would have had to pay more.
KC - 8M w/ 3M incentives
Baltimore - 9M w/ 4M incentives
How much would we have had to give him to make it worth taking Crowder out behind the woodshed
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The Jets have signed 7 FAs so far. Are you sad that we didn't overpay for them Duff style?
Other than not bringing back Elflein, there isn't anything I think Douglas has screwed up thus far in this year's free agency.
But his resume includes the failures he's brought in previously. And my argument you responded to included not just him but his predecessors.
I've gone on record that it's too early to judge him yet. But in 2+ years, he's done nothing to wow me or give me evidence to believe he's going to build a great roster. Fair or not, the previous guys occupying his office put a larger burden of proof on his shoulders for me.
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Other than not bringing back Elflein, there isn't anything I think Douglas has screwed up thus far in this year's free agency.
But his resume includes the failures he's brought in previously. And my argument you responded to included not just him but his predecessors.
I've gone on record that it's too early to judge him yet. But in 2+ years, he's done nothing to wow me or give me evidence to believe he's going to build a great roster. Fair or not, the previous guys occupying his office put a larger burden of proof on his shoulders for me.
Elflein graded out as one of the worst pass blocking guards in the league last year.
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Elflein graded out as one of the worst pass blocking guards in the league last year.
Good thing we’re replacing his sorry derriere with Feeney
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Keanu Neal down to Cowboys and Jets to play WLB
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Keanu Neal down to Cowboys and Jets to play WLB
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JFM
Quinnen
Foley
Lawson
7 safeties
LET'S GO
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JFM
Quinnen
Foley
Lawson
7 safeties
LET'S GO
Nathan Shepherd at corner, freak yeah!
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Jets, Panthers and Patriots all got involved with Chris Carson before the Seahawks finalized a deal.
Interesante
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Jets, Panthers and Patriots all got involved with Chris Carson before the Seahawks finalized a deal.
Interesante
I thought he might be a target of ours, but I"m fine not overpaying beyond what Seattle did.
Matt Breida and Tevin Coleman seem like potential targets given the SF ties. Or we can go retro SF ties and just make Frank Gore our every down back again.
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I thought he might be a target of ours, but I"m fine not overpaying beyond what Seattle did.
Matt Breida and Tevin Coleman seem like potential targets given the SF ties. Or we can go retro SF ties and just make Frank Gore our every down back again.
Photoshop your life with better posts.
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Cakes would dig dat derriere
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You'll see when Zach Wilson wins AFC ROY he'll say it was all due to the extra $10M in cap space.
Lololol
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TBD - Maye - Davis/Joyner - Hall/TBD
Davis - Mosley - Neal
Lawson - Quinnen - Foley - JFM/Zuniga
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If we land Neal and can find a couple decent corners, looks like a pretty solid defense on paper.
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I have a good feeling about Neal signing here and Dallas going for Hooker instead. Not sure why. Can't wait to be proven wrong in 10 minutes.
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I have a good feeling about Neal signing here and Dallas going for Hooker instead. Not sure why. Can't wait to be proven wrong in 10 minutes.
Nice jinx
https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1373353459831963654?s=19
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I have a good feeling about Neal signing here and Dallas going for Hooker instead. Not sure why. Can't wait to be proven wrong in 10 minutes.
I hate you.
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Proud of me
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Proud of me
Soxxxx funny feelings > casman's feelings
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Casmanu Neal SZN
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[uStadium] 3 things we’ve heard for a while regarding the #Jets corners: 1) Sherman is a total longshot. Highly doubtful. 2) They feel good about (eventually) adding K’Wuan Williams. 3) All but moved on from Brian Poole.
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We going with the no CB defense this year or what
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We going with the no CB defense this year or what
Get ready to absolutely hate Bless, Javelin Gurdy, Bryce Hall, and Not That Lamar Jackson.
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Expecting QB, G, and CB with our first 3 picks
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Get ready to absolutely hate Bless
Already there. Has more than a touch of the Kyle Wilson about him. I liked what little we saw of Hall last season though.
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Just get a bunch of LBs, send the house and hope we get the QB first.
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Just get a bunch of LBs, send the house and hope we get the QB first.
We just fired someone for this stratgey.
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We just fired someone for this stratgey.
Rehire?
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https://twitter.com/jfowlerespn/status/1374431875255607300?s=21
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Im not making predictions but I think I would like to see them still go far Hayward for CB, KJ Wright for LB and Trai Turner for OG. Maybe another RB and extend Maye with the remaining cap.
Still have some potential cuts that can save some money
Alex Lewis 5.1 million
GVR 3.4 million
Josh Doctson 1 million
Tanzel Smart 1 million
Ryan Griffin 1.8 million
Braxton Berrios 850K
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JD needs to go get Nick Mullens
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Im not making predictions but I think I would like to see them still go far Hayward for CB, KJ Wright for LB and Trai Turner for OG. Maybe another RB and extend Maye with the remaining cap.
Still have some potential cuts that can save some money
Alex Lewis 5.1 million
GVR 3.4 million
Josh Doctson 1 million
Tanzel Smart 1 million
Ryan Griffin 1.8 million
Braxton Berrios 850K
Those lower end cuts don't matter much because they have to be replaced by someone who will likely cost a similar amount so it's a wash.
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https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1374486635807580165?s=19
Nick Mullens SZN
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You can forget about signing Hyder
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1374492972843077642?s=19
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You can forget about signing Hyder
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1374492972843077642?s=19
That's a really good deal for him.
I would've been pretty annoyed if we gave him a contract like that.
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Chad Hansen released, sign that beast
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https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1374486635807580165?s=19
Nick Mullens SZN
I expect JD will wait until post draft for a QB signing. trying to land a very cheap backup in the range of what we paid Flacco last year, which I believe was about $2 million
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freak it. James Morgan #MyQB
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[Yates] Teams looking for cornerbacks in free agency still have a bunch of intriguing options: Richard Sherman, Steven Nelson, Casey Hayward, K'Waun Williams, Malcolm Butler, AJ Buoye, Jason McCourty, Bashaud Breeland, Nickell Robey-Coleman, Brian Poole, Josh Norman. Deep group still.
Douglas definitely played the CB market right so far.
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Douglas definitely played the CB market right so far.
Let's hope he lands one or two.
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https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1374717191170449411
"WR Kendrick Bourne received a lucrative deal from #Pats on 1st day of tampering period "but waited out for the Jets" b/c of relationship w/ OC Mike LaFleur. NYJ went Corey Davis instead, so Bourne moved on."
"The other fascinating part of story is the #Jets "want to make their own path -- not just remake 49ers roster in NY"
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https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1374717191170449411
"WR Kendrick Bourne received a lucrative deal from #Pats on 1st day of tampering period "but waited out for the Jets" b/c of relationship w/ OC Mike LaFleur. NYJ went Corey Davis instead, so Bourne moved on."
"The other fascinating part of story is the #Jets "want to make their own path -- not just remake 49ers roster in NY"
This is a nice change from the Rex/Tannenbaum precedent.
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Douglas definitely played the CB market right so far.
Big Doug is gonna ultimately have 2 or 3 corners pay us to sign them.
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Douglas definitely played the CB market right so far.
Douglas max offer
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EnchantingEnormousIndianhare-size_restricted.gif)
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Take K'waun Williams off of the board.
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K'Waun Williams was a bargain bin free agent addition for the 49ers a few years ago
Maybe we'll find our own or we can just bring back Brian Poole
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1375227130213232646?s=19
At this rate, we'll probably see Douglas sign him too. All the DLs.
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https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1375225173230641157?s=19
At this rate, we'll probably see Douglas sign him too. All the DLs.
Deleted. What did he say
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Deleted. What did he say
Fixed above. Jarran Reed cut.
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K'Waun Williams was a bargain bin free agent addition for the 49ers a few years ago
Maybe we'll find our own or we can just bring back Brian Poole
They gave him 1 year / $2.378M, so we can't have been very interested.
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They gave him 1 year / $2.378M, so we can't have been very interested.
I think Guidry and Joyner/Davis can fill that role well. I do think we'll try to bring back Brian Poole at some point.
Douglas seems to have played the corner market in a good way. We should be able to add a veteran or two on inexpensive deals.
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Hall and Guidry are both okay. I still anticipate that we're going to sign Sherman, so just bring in one other cheap-ish vet or draft someone and we should be acceptable at the position with the amount of 3-safety looks that are probably coming.
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Top free agent corners still on the market:
Steven Nelson, 28
Brian Poole, 28
Casey Hayward, 31
Richard Sherman, 33
Darqueze Dennard, 29
Baushad Breeland, 29
I expect Big Doug to make a move now that the premium cornerbacks are off the board. Trading Crowder for a CB could be a viable option as well.
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Top free agent corners still on the market:
Steven Nelson, 28
Brian Poole, 28
Casey Hayward, 31
Richard Sherman, 33
Darqueze Dennard, 29
Baushad Breeland, 29
I expect Big Doug to make a move now that the premium cornerbacks are off the board. Trading Crowder for a CB could be a viable option as well.
I don't think Crowder could get us a reasonable CB. Maybe a Quincy Wilson type ala last year, but i'd rather get a draft pick at that point.
I expect calls will go out to Poole and Nelson and Sherman on Sunday afternoon.
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Effective at 4 PM ET, unrestricted free agents that sign with a new team no longer count towards the NFL’s compensatory pick formula.
Amongst those available: Richard Sherman, Justin Houston, Alejandro Villanueva, Russell Okung, Melvin Ingram, K.J. Wright & Jason McCourty.
Yates
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Effective at 4 PM ET, unrestricted free agents that sign with a new team no longer count towards the NFL’s compensatory pick formula.
Amongst those available: Richard Sherman, Justin Houston, Alejandro Villanueva, Russell Okung, Melvin Ingram, K.J. Wright & Jason McCourty.
Yates
Not sure why that would affect us anyway, we're not getting any comp picks. No one good left us in FA, the only one I can think of who signed a deal of any value elsewhere is Elflein and we signed way more FAs than we lost.
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Effective at 4 PM ET, unrestricted free agents that sign with a new team no longer count towards the NFL’s compensatory pick formula.
Amongst those available: Richard Sherman, Justin Houston, Alejandro Villanueva, Russell Okung, Melvin Ingram, K.J. Wright & Jason McCourty.
Yates
Sounds like Villanueva is already linked to the Ravens.
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https://twitter.com/jfowlerespn/status/1405550590214688771?s=21
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Wonder what that means for Fant. Can he play guard? He seems a little undersized but maybe that's not such an issue in this scheme.
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Wonder what that means for Fant. Can he play guard? He seems a little undersized but maybe that's not such an issue in this scheme.
Fant provides tremendous depth, but you have to wonder if the front office is going to want to keep him as a swing tackle at his current figure.
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Build the wall. Maybe Moses plays guard. Maybe Fant becomes a swing tackle.
I dont know if I trust Becton to play 17 games.
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Build the wall. Maybe Moses plays guard. Maybe Fant becomes a swing tackle.
I dont know if I trust Becton to play 17 games.
Fant missed a bunch of time too so I’m def on board with adding another OT even though I think we’re all pretty confident in budding superstar/potential breakout player Chuma Edoga.
Glad we’re spending the Crowder money to improve the team now instead of sitting on it.
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This is solid depth for Becton if he can't give up the Big Macs
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Sign Moses, set loose Douglas on talking Fant's contract down.
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I was sort of joking about renegotiating Fant, but if we sign Moses, why in the hell are we paying Fant that much to be a swing tackle? No one else is paying him that much. There are rumors of one of them playing guard, but that seems to be swatted down by most knowledgeable people.
Sounds eerily similar to Crowder and we see how that ended.
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I was sort of joking about renegotiating Fant, but if we sign Moses, why in the hell are we paying Fant that much to be a swing tackle? No one else is paying him that much. There are rumors of one of them playing guard, but that seems to be swatted down by most knowledgeable people.
Sounds eerily similar to Crowder and we see how that ended.
I don't think it is a guarantee that we sign Moses to be the apparent starter at RT.
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I don't think it is a guarantee that we sign Moses to be the apparent starter at RT.
Who knows, but it makes the most sense. He's better than Fant. Doubt he's coming here to ride the pine.
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Who knows, but it makes the most sense. He's better than Fant. Doubt he's coming here to ride the pine.
He's not coming here to play Guard. He'll be the RT.
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Regardless of his ultimate role, I'd like to have a third tackle who could start given that both Fant and Becton missed significant time last season.
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Regardless of his ultimate role, I'd like to have a third tackle who could start given that both Fant and Becton missed significant time last season.
This is the way. If we never have to hear Connor McDermott's name again, then the move will be worth it. But if he's on his way in for a 'multi year contract,' then the expectation is that he will start, and Fant is either playing a different spot on the line, renegotiating, or finding a new team to play for this year. I will be very curious to see what the money for Moses ends up being regardless of whether it's our money or someone else's.
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This is more about backing up becton or an upgrade at guard than replacing fant in my eyes.
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This is more about backing up becton or an upgrade at guard than replacing fant in my eyes.
If we sign MM he's starting, whether it's RT or RG.
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I think Moses playing guard is wishful thinking, but I'm no expert. He's never played guard before. But there's a first time for everything I guess.
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If we sign MM he's starting, whether it's RT or RG.
Yeah.
As for Fant, I have no qualms whatsoever about paying a swing tackle $9 million. We need a starting caliber back-up until Becton proves he can stay healthy, especially in Wilson's first year.
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Moses is better and potentially will get multi year deal. Fant is inferior at RT and on a 1 year deal. If we sign Moses it makes sense he’s the starter at RT.
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Put Fant at Tight End
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Can't be worse than anyone else on the roster.
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Put Fant at Tight End
Not sure if you are serious, but there is no way in hell he’d be worse than White Trash Tight End or Ben freaking Hartsock of the past few years
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If we sign MM he's starting, whether it's RT or RG.
I'm saying becton isn't healthy and he will start until becton come back. Resulting in him being his backup
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Who cares how much Fant is making? The most important position in the sport is QB. Protect him at all costs.
"Too many" starting tackles is a good "problem" to have.
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Who cares how much Fant is making? The most important position in the sport is QB. Protect him at all costs.
"Too many" starting tackles is a good "problem" to have.
But think about how much cap space we can save if we cut Fant AND Crowder!
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But think about how much cap space we can save if we cut Fant AND Crowder!
True
We should also preemptively cut Wilson before he excels and we need to give him a record-setting QB contract.
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Not sure if you are serious, but there is no way in hell he’d be worse than White Trash Tight End or Ben freaking Hartsock of the past few years
He lined up at TE in Seattle but I'm guessing that was jumbo sets. He's 40lbs heavier than Alge Crumpler was.
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Not sure if you are serious, but there is no way in hell he’d be worse than White Trash Tight End or Ben freaking Hartsock of the past few years
Ben Hartsock, 7 honks
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Won’t be the end of the world if they move on, but I would much rather keep Fant.
1 year deal, see if he can beat out Van Roten at RG or keep him as insurance for Becton. He’s pretty mobile, I’ll bet they could draft up some plays for him in space as swing tackle in this new scheme.
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This definitely isn't about replacing Fant.
My guess is it has to do with Becton more than anything
And no way are they going to water down fants snaps at guard either.
I think there's an expectation Becton will very likely miss games at some point this year and we're just being proactive
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Probably just a good player unexpectedly hit the market on the offensive line. We are overthinking here.
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What if we signed him to back up Wilson?
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This definitely isn't about replacing Fant.
My guess is it has to do with Becton more than anything
And no way are they going to water down fants snaps at guard either.
I think there's an expectation Becton will very likely miss games at some point this year and we're just being proactive
Moses plays RT
Why are we dcm moding this
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i like the idea of having 3 starter-quality tackles on the roster at all times given our injury luck and our QB dev history
let's just do it and have this luxury for wilson's rookie season. we can very easily re-evaluate the position and choose who to keep/let go at the end of the year
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i like the idea of having 3 starter-quality tackles on the roster at all times given our injury luck and our QB dev history
let's just do it and have this luxury for wilson's rookie season. we can very easily re-evaluate the position and choose who to keep/let go at the end of the year
Vera-Tucker can play tackle too
Douglas is doing some nice work
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Upgrade at RT and keep Fant for depth
This is a no brainer
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Moses plays RT
Why are we dcm moding this
Moses does play RT
What does Fant play?
Cmon you can do this, I believe in you
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Moses does play RT
What does Fant play?
Cmon you can do this, I believe in you
Fant plays RT but worse
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I think we're just scarred as Jets fans, for us competition for a job means trying to determine who's going to disappoint us the least. We're confused by the concept of multiple players being competent or better.
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I think we're just scarred as Jets fans, for us competition for a job means trying to determine who's going to disappoint us the least. We're confused by the concept of multiple players being competent or better.
You're saying a lot of things I don't understand here so I'm going to go ahead and take that as disrespect.
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I think I heard our OC runs a Committee Right Tackle system or CRT for short
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Fant plays RT but worse
He also played LT, which I presume was the reason we originally signed him.
Bringing in Moses let's Fant get in more snaps at LT and gives Becton a breather when it comes to practice and what not.
Plus again, I think it's a reasonable to think there's a decent chance that Becton will probably miss some snaps/games this year
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You're saying a lot of things I don't understand here so I'm going to go ahead and take that as disrespect.
#iunderstoodthatreference
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Where's my Moses
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You're saying a lot of things I don't understand here so I'm going to go ahead and take that as disrespect.
#iunderstoodthatreference
You was looking for a tackle? Tackle here now.
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You was looking for a tackle? Tackle here now.
It was the multiple good/competent players at one position vs. the least disappointing one part.
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it seems like it's been a while now; are we actually going to sign this guy or is he going to be the 2021 version of the manish - cornerback incident
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I think we're just scarred as Jets fans, for us competition for a job means trying to determine who's going to disappoint us the least. We're confused by the concept of multiple players being competent or better.
QFT.
New team, who dis?
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it seems like it's been a while now; are we actually going to sign this guy or is he going to be the 2021 version of the manish - cornerback incident
Seems like he's waiting for anyone else to pursue him just in case.