Jet Offensive
New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Johnny English on January 11, 2022, 09:55:15 PM
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Robert Saleh, Head Coach: A-
Tough job as a rookie and he made some mistakes. Some of his game management is questionable at times, and I can't believe he wouldn't have called some of our defensive plays a little differently so maybe he needs to be a bit more hands on while his coaches are figuring their excrement out, but overall the growth of the team reflects on Saleh and that's a positive. We had horrific injury problems but he got the best from scrubs and guys off the street, remained positive and professional, didn't throw anyone under the bus, and I think showed all the signs of being the guy we hoped he would be.
Matt LaFleur, Offensive Co-ordinator: B
Things did not start well for MLF. No one could have predicted the loss of Greg Knapp and that burden fell on Lafleur to handle as Zach started his rookie season, and his decision to call the games from the sideline so he could be in direct contact with Zach while the defense was on the field didn't pay off. He didn't help Zach and he called some pretty brutal games. We didn't know it at the time but Zach's injury might have come at an optimal time for a number of people, including Lafleur; the White/Flacco tandem meant that Lafleur could go to the booth where he clearly had a much better view of games straight away, and the playcalling took a big leap forward. Still not perfect, and as a rookie playcaller he got taught a few lessons by opposing coaches, but given the desperate personnel situation in the back half of the season he did well to keep the offense looking competent. Clearly not afraid to be creative and some of his best plays are some of his prettiest, with sweeps and end arounds and triple reverses and multiple passers always waiting to come out of the bag. Hopefully he can show a lot more with better personnel next year.
Jeff Ulbrich, Defensive Co-ordinator: C-
The loss of primary pass rushing threat before the season got under way was a tough one, but it doesn't excuse some of the abject failings of the defense this season. Saleh said when he joined that this defensive line unit was the best he'd ever had, which says something after the team he had in SF, but all too often Ulbrich failed to find the looks to get penetration and as a result opposing QBs were able to pick us apart, something they did brutally through the middle part of the season. On the plus side the young secondary was better than we could have dared hope before the season started, but that's more than countered by the abject run defense. CJ Mosley was the defensive leader we know he is and that Ulbrich needed, but the complete lack of talent around him meant that teams could pretty much run at will on us and Ulbrich is going to have to find ways to make that front 7 a much more effective unit. Will need a much better second season to have a realistic hope of getting a third.
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LaFleur and Ulbrich both get a C from me
Wildly inconsistent
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A C- feels generous for the worst defense in the league, and an A- feels generous for the defensive-minded head coach of said defense, regardless of Saleh's hands-off CEO approach. I realize injuries happened and the talent was sparse, but they had Quinnen Williams, John Franklin-Myers, Foley Fatukasi, Sheldon Rankins, and CJ Mosley. That's enough talent to be poor-to-mediocre against the run, and we were abysmal.
Credit is due for the cornerbacks though.
Nice write-up JE.
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I realize injuries happened and the talent was sparse, but they had Quinnen Williams, John Franklin-Myers, Foley Fatukasi, Sheldon Rankins, and CJ Mosley. That's enough talent to be poor-to-mediocre against the run, and we were abysmal.
When two of three starting linebackers are god awful and always out of position, every other player suffers.
Quincy Williams, Del'Shawn Phillips, and Jarrad Davis were horrible against the run.
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Might be a harsher grader, but -
Saleh: C-
Below average season. Outside of some nice spurts of playing aggressively when others (cough cough Bowles) would be too conservative, didn't see much out of him. Didn't dip his hands in the defense at all and it suffered mightily for it. "Doubling" last season's wins is good but I don't see so much about him that's so desirable relative to other coaches in the league thus far.
MiLF: B-
Did better as the season went on but obviously isn't elite yet. The move to the booth, despite being a meme, really seemed to help him organize the team's playcalling better, and Wilson improving at the end of the year was nice even though it was coming up from rock bottom. I have some confidence in his ability to become a great offensive coordinator especially considering his family, but progression isn't always linear.
Ulbrich: D
Only because of the injury excuses. Defense was trash tier all year. Ulbrich is a former LB and LB coach and our LBs were a complete disaster outside of Mosley. Partially due to talent but look at how our corners played despite being completely unheralded - not great but not worst in the league. Don't have much confidence in him.
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Robert Saleh, Head Coach: A-
Tough job as a rookie and he made some mistakes. Some of his game management is questionable at times, and I can't believe he wouldn't have called some of our defensive plays a little differently so maybe he needs to be a bit more hands on while his coaches are figuring their excrement out, but overall the growth of the team reflects on Saleh and that's a positive. We had horrific injury problems but he got the best from scrubs and guys off the street, remained positive and professional, didn't throw anyone under the bus, and I think showed all the signs of being the guy we hoped he would be.
Matt LaFleur, Offensive Co-ordinator: B
Things did not start well for MLF. No one could have predicted the loss of Greg Knapp and that burden fell on Lafleur to handle as Zach started his rookie season, and his decision to call the games from the sideline so he could be in direct contact with Zach while the defense was on the field didn't pay off. He didn't help Zach and he called some pretty brutal games. We didn't know it at the time but Zach's injury might have come at an optimal time for a number of people, including Lafleur; the White/Flacco tandem meant that Lafleur could go to the booth where he clearly had a much better view of games straight away, and the playcalling took a big leap forward. Still not perfect, and as a rookie playcaller he got taught a few lessons by opposing coaches, but given the desperate personnel situation in the back half of the season he did well to keep the offense looking competent. Clearly not afraid to be creative and some of his best plays are some of his prettiest, with sweeps and end arounds and triple reverses and multiple passers always waiting to come out of the bag. Hopefully he can show a lot more with better personnel next year.
Jeff Ulbrich, Defensive Co-ordinator: C-
The loss of primary pass rushing threat before the season got under way was a tough one, but it doesn't excuse some of the abject failings of the defense this season. Saleh said when he joined that this defensive line unit was the best he'd ever had, which says something after the team he had in SF, but all too often Ulbrich failed to find the looks to get penetration and as a result opposing QBs were able to pick us apart, something they did brutally through the middle part of the season. On the plus side the young secondary was better than we could have dared hope before the season started, but that's more than countered by the abject run defense. CJ Mosley was the defensive leader we know he is and that Ulbrich needed, but the complete lack of talent around him meant that teams could pretty much run at will on us and Ulbrich is going to have to find ways to make that front 7 a much more effective unit. Will need a much better second season to have a realistic hope of getting a third.
this is well written...good job, sir.
the only positive for Ulbrich is that the CBs blossomed this season and Mosley returned to form. The rest is trash. I'd probably grade Ulbrich with a "D".
Ulbrich wasn't a good coordinator in Atlanta either. Saleh better be able to put his friendships aside when it comes time to shitcan these guys.
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Put aside the fact that hes going into year 2. Are there any available headcoaches that you would fire Saleh for?
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Put aside the fact that hes going into year 2. Are there any available headcoaches that you would fire Saleh for?
No.
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Put aside the fact that hes going into year 2. Are there any available headcoaches that you would fire Saleh for?
The only time I ever would have considered this was after Gase year 1.
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The only time I ever would have considered this was after Gase year 1.
It's stupid to do so after 1 year, but I always find it interesting when people are upset about production, but don't think any other coaches are better
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It's stupid to do so after 1 year, but I always find it interesting when people are upset about production, but don't think any other coaches are better
my only concern with Saleh is that he might be too loyal to his coordinators. It's not a problem yet, and it may not even become a problem....but if our D stinks next year after another solid offseason, Ulbrich better get canned.
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Put aside the fact that hes going into year 2. Are there any available headcoaches that you would fire Saleh for?
Harbaugh, but I really wanted him last year.
Saleh gets a C, LaFleur gets a C-plus, Ulbrich a D.
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It's stupid to do so after 1 year, but I always find it interesting when people are upset about production, but don't think any other coaches are better
Yeah, it being the first year and going 7-9, I completely understood why it wouldn't have been considered IRL despite my complete lack of faith in him.
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Yeah, it being the first year and going 7-9, I completely understood why it wouldn't have been considered IRL despite my complete lack of faith in him.
A good example of "you are what your record says you are" being not correct. Anyone who watched could see that that was not a 7-9 team, and that it was not going in the right direction.
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my only concern with Saleh is that he might be too loyal to his coordinators. It's not a problem yet, and it may not even become a problem....but if our D stinks next year after another solid offseason, Ulbrich better get canned.
Agree. let's see who he hires to support ulbrich.
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Robert Saleh: C+
Hard to give him better than a C+ when the team underachieves based on Vegas win total and is one of the worst teams against the spread. That's one metric to show that the team didn't meet expectations, even though expectations were low. He's also a defensive guy, and the defense was worst in the NFL, However, the team played hard to the end and didn't quit. There haven't been any rumblings about dissent between him and players. He was relatively aggressive on 4th down, and he got better as the season went on. Overall, I'm still optimistic on Saleh, but year 1 was not a home run.
Jeff Ulbrich: D+
Defense was ravaged by injuries, especially in the secondary. Wasn't overly impressed with schemes, but we had no pass rush for most of the year, too, and when you have no pass rush and a beat-up secondary, it's hard. He and Saleh deserve credit for the young corners playing pretty well. Needs to improve in Year 2.
Mike LaFleur: B
One of the biggest positives of the season is it looks like we have an OC. He got production out of 4 different quarterbacks and a rotating cast of characters on the OL and WR corps. He showed a lot of creativity down the stretch, finding good ways to use guys like Berrios and Elijah Moore. Slow start to the season, and there were some bumpy moments, from the Wilson QB sneak to some overly cute playcalls, but in general, it was a promising season. This grade might be whitewashing his early-season issues a little bit, but I'm fine mostly throwing out the first few games when it comes to his grade.
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A C- feels generous for the worst defense in the league, and an A- feels generous for the defensive-minded head coach of said defense, regardless of Saleh's hands-off CEO approach.
Yeah, I guess it depends on how you grade it. I'm grading him against my hopes and expectations for the season, not against absolute performance or in comparison to other coaches - clearly he'd be lower down the scale there. I think that for a rookie HC with a messy roster that took countless hits through the season, his demeanour and effectiveness were as good as we could possibly have dared hope and it feels like even with a team made up of highly paid vets and guys off the street there was never the slightest question that the entire locker room was 100% bought in and behind him. That's an X factor that makes up for a lot of technical deficiencies IMO, and if he can keep up that kind of collective mindset with a more stable and talented roster we could be onto something really good.
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Ran across this today. It's a lengthy interview with Jeff Ulbrich. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6_3g0ghJww
From 20:00 - 24:00 minutes or so he talks about his mentality in teaching the defense and the mid season struggles, said he could have schemed things differently, and made small fixes, but would have had long term failings... Thought it was a good listen. Also a few moments on Carl Lawson and CJ Mosely around the 25:00 minute mark as well.