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Title: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on October 03, 2019, 11:54:26 AM
A team we didn't have a LOL thread for. But now we do.

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Dawn Mitchell @DawnAtFOX9
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@stefondiggs says he’s frustrated, not happy w the Vikings offense. Says he’s spoken to everyone & is always a team first guy. He says he hasn’t personally asked for a trade but when asked if there’s truth to the rumors he wants a trade Diggs says “there’s truth to all rumors”

Also, LOL at them paying $84M guaranteed to Kirk Cousins. Glad we weren't dumb enough to do something like that.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on October 03, 2019, 12:10:13 PM
I still don't think the Cousins signing is a bad move. Yeah he's expensive for his level of performance. But he's a legitimate starting QB. Not a top 10 one but not bottom 10 either.

By signing him they're able to go BPA and build a competitive team around him while eventually looking for a franchise QB to develop. Considering how expensive talented QB's are to draft and the degree of luck involved, I think the Cousins move was a good one
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on October 03, 2019, 12:12:04 PM
A team we didn't have a LOL thread for. But now we do.

Also, LOL at them paying $84M guaranteed to Kirk Cousins. Glad we weren't dumb enough to do something like that.

Except...we were. Thankfully, Cousins didn't want anything to do with us.

Make no mistake, Duff was ready to bend over for Cousins.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 03, 2019, 12:23:38 PM
Cousins was a product of no other options on the market when he was a free agent and a lot of teams needing a QB that bad. I never wanted him, we can think him indirectly for getting Darnold.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on October 03, 2019, 12:32:23 PM
Except...we were. Thankfully, Cousins didn't want anything to do with us.

Make no mistake, Duff was ready to bend over for Cousins.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9IgHCTfp8CRshfQk/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on October 03, 2019, 12:41:13 PM
^ oh, you're a joke maker now.  Didn't get that memo.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on October 03, 2019, 12:45:30 PM
I still don't think the Cousins signing is a bad move. Yeah he's expensive for his level of performance. But he's a legitimate starting QB. Not a top 10 one but not bottom 10 either.

By signing him they're able to go BPA and build a competitive team around him while eventually looking for a franchise QB to develop. Considering how expensive talented QB's are to draft and the degree of luck involved, I think the Cousins move was a good one

They built a team ready to compete and all they were missing was the QB. Now they have a team ready to compete and all they're missing is a QB and $28M a year.

The Cousins move has been an awful one.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 04, 2019, 08:51:50 AM
They built a team ready to compete and all they were missing was the QB. Now they have a team ready to compete and all they're missing is a QB and $28M a year.

The Cousins move has been an awful one.
Yep. Cousins has been a disaster for Minnesota.

He was never great, but he was better than this. I think the pressure of the contract is getting to him a bit. That would have surely been the case here, too.

If we signed Cousins, we probably would have been able to draft:
- Quenton Nelson/Josh Allen at No. 6
- Braden Smith/James Daniels at No. 37
- Dallas Goedert/Donte Jackson/Connor Williams at No. 50
- Rock Ya-Sin/Jawaan Taylor/Greg Little/Greedy Williams at No. 34 this year

If we drafted well, we definitely could have made a Cousins signing work (and that's still a big if). But if Darnold turns into what we think we can, we will be fine.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 04, 2019, 08:52:30 AM
Also, Stefon Diggs would look nice in a Jets uniform.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on October 04, 2019, 09:31:39 AM
Also, Stefon Diggs would look nice in a Jets uniform.

He would.

But i doubt Big Doug is interested in parting with any high round draft capital this year.  And i'm ok with this.  I have high expectations for his inaugural draft next April.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on October 04, 2019, 10:53:54 AM
13 mill a year and our first? For a premadonna malcontent wideout Ehhh

Especially since this is already a lost season

One or the other maybe but both? I'd rather have mediocre wideouts and improve the offensiveline
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 04, 2019, 11:12:52 AM
He would.

But i doubt Big Doug is interested in parting with any high round draft capital this year.  And i'm ok with this.  I have high expectations for his inaugural draft next April.

Me too. 3-4 more years and we might have a chance to be better than 5-11.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 04, 2019, 11:50:41 AM
13 mill a year and our first? For a premadonna malcontent wideout Ehhh

Especially since this is already a lost season

One or the other maybe but both? I'd rather have mediocre wideouts and improve the offensiveline
Diggs isn't worth a 1st. He's never played 16 games, he's only had one 1,000-yard season, and he will be owed a lot of money pretty soon.

If someone trades a 1st for him, they are overpaying.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on September 03, 2020, 07:54:26 AM
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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Details of the paycut that kept #Vikings LT Riley Reiff in Minnesota: He agreed to take his salary from $11M to $6M, source said. A $5M paycut. Reiff can earn back $2M of that with playtime incentives.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2020, 09:57:26 AM
Adam Schefter
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Vikings and Ravens finalizing a trade to send DE Yannick Ngakoue to Baltimore for a 2021 third-round pick and a 2022 conditional fifth-round pick, sources tell ESPN.
 
Vikings initially sent 2021 second-round pick and 2022 conditional fifth-round pick to Jags. Now get most back.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 22, 2020, 10:45:51 AM
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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Vikings and Ravens finalizing a trade to send DE Yannick Ngakoue to Baltimore for a 2021 third-round pick and a 2022 conditional fifth-round pick, sources tell ESPN.
 
Vikings initially sent 2021 second-round pick and 2022 conditional fifth-round pick to Jags. Now get most back.

Twice in the same year. Yeesh.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Libero_2 on October 22, 2020, 11:13:23 AM
That has to be unprecedented a player being traded twice in the same year, for that much compensation.

Makes sense for the vikings to get as much back as they can when clearly they aren't going anywhere
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2020, 03:44:27 PM
Twice in the same year. Yeesh.

He's a good player but spelling his name is so difficult it's easier to just trade him.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 18, 2020, 07:10:35 AM
https://twitter.com/nvltweets/status/1329042340544196609?s=21

Ok this is freaking brilliant and I fully support this type of schadenfreude
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2020, 07:17:57 AM
https://twitter.com/nvltweets/status/1329042340544196609?s=21

Ok this is freaking brilliant and I fully support this type of schadenfreude
I'm ambivalent because I don't want to help Jax until I'm sure they're picking behind us.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2021, 01:12:53 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/04/gary-kubiak-plans-to-retire-as-vikings-offensive-coordinator/


JE can finally stop chasing this pipe dream
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on February 08, 2021, 09:24:59 AM
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Tom Pelissero
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The #Vikings are promoting Klint Kubiak to offensive coordinator, sources tell me and @RapSheet
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Mike Zimmer wanted to keep the Kubiak offense in place, and he’ll do it quite literally. It’ll just be 33-year-old Klint -- not his father Gary, who retired -- calling plays in 2021.


in b4 JE wants to hire Klint to be the Jets HC.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2021, 09:35:13 AM

in b4 JE wants to hire Klint to be the Jets HC.

I'm good for now. Let's have a look at him in a couple of years when you've decided you hate Saleh.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on February 08, 2021, 09:45:04 AM
I'm good for now. Let's have a look at him in a couple of years when you've decided you hate Saleh.

I'm good for now.  I only hate excrement coaches.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2021, 01:20:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLNKVnT.jpg)
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Libero_2 on May 02, 2021, 01:52:06 PM
Hahaha

This is a perfect example of why social media is a dangerous thing
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: delavan on June 22, 2021, 07:42:56 AM
Viking rookie gets shot 4x and it's brushed off as 'wrong place wrong time' minus any details

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1407125385704361986

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/vikings-rookie-jaylen-twyman-shot-four-times-expected-to-make-full-recovery/
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 22, 2021, 09:22:23 AM
Sometimes the "lol" portion of these thread titles doesn't really work.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on June 22, 2021, 09:34:35 AM
Sometimes the "lol" portion of these thread titles doesn't really work.
LMAOnnesota?
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: bojanglesman on June 22, 2021, 09:53:37 AM
LMAOnnesota?

Minnesadta
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 22, 2021, 02:15:58 PM
LMAOnnesota?
Minnesadta

No
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2021, 02:17:32 PM
No

we're all chipping in to buy you a sense of humor, to be installed at the tailgate (i won't be there).
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: reuben on June 22, 2021, 04:07:01 PM
St. Lol Minnesota

Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on July 23, 2021, 12:56:31 PM
ProFootballTalk
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Report: Rick Dennison out as Vikings assistant coach after refusing COVID-19 vaccine.


lol
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 23, 2021, 01:00:37 PM
Anti Vaxxxer coaching list going to become very apparent very fast.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 23, 2021, 01:06:34 PM
Anti Vaxxxer coaching list going to become very apparent very fast.
Could give us options to replace Knapp with...
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on July 23, 2021, 01:09:48 PM
ProFootballTalk
@ProFootballTalk
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Report: Rick Dennison out as Vikings assistant coach after refusing COVID-19 vaccine.


lol
This is exactly like 1349
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 23, 2021, 01:12:51 PM
Could give us options to replace Knapp with...

No.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on July 23, 2021, 01:12:59 PM
This is exactly like 1349

Damn anglo-saxons
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 23, 2021, 01:18:38 PM
No.
I don't want Dennison, but it's either adding things to our current guys' plates, hiring someone who doesn't have a good job right now (I heard Adam Gase is available), or getting an anti-vaxxer.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on July 23, 2021, 01:19:35 PM
No.

Especially if ZW ends up being an antivaxxers as well.

I seriously hope there's no rookies who are freaking stupid enough to refuse vaccines.

Plenty of excrement to learn do and adjust to as a rookie, with presumably another fucked up offseason. Last thing they need is to jump throguh all these freaking hoops and do daily testing and excrement
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 23, 2021, 01:22:28 PM
I don't want Dennison, but it's either adding things to our current guys' plates, hiring someone who doesn't have a good job right now (I heard Adam Gase is available), or getting an anti-vaxxer.


The league policy part:
The NFL REQUIRES coaches to be vaccinated. If they got fired for not taking a vaccine, we cannot hire them unless they get vaccinated.

The team's interest part:
Introducing an unvaccinated coach into the team creates a risk of infection that could cost the team wins and money.

An anti-vaxxxer who was fired for not getting the vaccine is not a viable option.

And god.forbid our offensive coordinator has to coordinate the entire offense.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on July 23, 2021, 01:25:29 PM

The league policy part:
The NFL REQUIRES coaches to be vaccinated. If they got fired for not taking a vaccine, we cannot hire them unless they get vaccinated.

What if they work purely in a remote environment?

Or is that not a thing and just require teams to call them consultants or some excrement
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 23, 2021, 01:27:35 PM
What if they work purely in a remote environment?

Or is that not a thing and just require teams to call them consultants or some excrement

Well if they're not interacting with the players directly they would bypass that requirement but how effective would that actually be?
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on July 23, 2021, 01:31:32 PM
nobody is coaching players remotely through a season....that's stupid.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on July 23, 2021, 01:32:08 PM
Well if they're not interacting with the players directly they would bypass that requirement but how effective would that actually be?

Presumably it would be more effective than just having someone already on the roster doing both jobs, and less effective than hiring someone who is vaccinated (of course finding someone willing and able in August isn't exactly easy either)

With the expansion and influence of technology I don't think it's unreasonable to say that someone could make a difference in a remote capicity.

Plus if this queues someone up in the pipeline to take on an expanded role in the following season (no longer remotely as covid/vaccines do their thing) then we make out even better.

Think of it as an investment opportunity that could have minor benefits this year
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on July 23, 2021, 01:34:00 PM
nobody is coaching players remotely through a season....that's stupid.

Nobody is coaching from the grave either.

It's basically August, and options are going to be extraordinarily limited. At this point they'd be more of a consultant than anything, but options are extraordinarily limited
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on July 23, 2021, 01:36:26 PM
Nobody is coaching from the grave either.

It's basically August, and options are going to be extraordinarily limited. At this point they'd be more of a consultant than anything, but options are extraordinarily limited

I'm assuming you're referring to losing Knapp.  The Jets will be fine.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 23, 2021, 01:37:38 PM
nobody is coaching players remotely through a season....that's stupid.

Yeah, that wouldn't work at all.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on July 23, 2021, 01:47:47 PM
Could give us options to replace Knapp with...
Because our offense under Bowles was so good when he was one of the senior coaches?
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on July 23, 2021, 01:50:09 PM
I'm assuming you're referring to losing Knapp.  The Jets will be fine.

Im not overestimating the influence of a passing game coordinator on GameDay.

But we do have a QB room with basically no veteran depth, and a toddler for a QB coach.

My biggest concern is the development of our rookie QB that  our GM has gambled the future of this franchise on

We saw what bad coaching could do to young talented QB's numerous times in recent years. I'd like to have every resource available this time around
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 23, 2021, 01:55:54 PM
We saw what bad coaching could do to young talented QB's

Debatable.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Heismanberg on July 23, 2021, 02:26:28 PM
Rick Dennison sucks.  Why would we replace a passing game specialist with a guy that specializes in offensive line and the run game? 
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on July 23, 2021, 02:26:48 PM
Im not overestimating the influence of a passing game coordinator on GameDay.

But we do have a QB room with basically no veteran depth, and a toddler for a QB coach.

My biggest concern is the development of our rookie QB that  our GM has gambled the future of this franchise on

We saw what bad coaching could do to young talented QB's numerous times in recent years. I'd like to have every resource available this time around

Relax
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Heismanberg on July 23, 2021, 02:29:07 PM
Calabrese just has to step up.  This puts a lot on Lafleur, but he's supposed to be a passing guru...so he can handle it. 

Knapp was essentially a passing game consultant.  He will definitely be a huge loss because our coaching staff is inexperienced. 
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on July 23, 2021, 02:29:15 PM
dcm wants to hire a Passing Game coordinator before Knapp's funeral.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 23, 2021, 02:39:06 PM
Again, I don't want Dennison back. I just brought this up in case there are other guys like Dennison who could potentially help. And they could help in a remote setting as well.

We're probably fine with Calabrese and LaFleur, but they obviously brought in Knapp for a reason, and now his duties are added to someone else.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on July 23, 2021, 03:33:58 PM
nobody is coaching players remotely through a season....that's stupid.
"Hey coach you're muted"
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 23, 2021, 04:55:31 PM
"Hey coach you're muted"

New PGC: “Caaaaaan everyone see my screen?”

Vyncint Smyth: [forgets to turn his camera off before masturbating]
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on July 23, 2021, 05:09:17 PM
Rick Dennison sucks.  Why would we replace a passing game specialist with a guy that specializes in offensive line and the run game? 

I don't think anyone wanted to bring in Rick Dennison

I believe the discussion had gone to how closely should we be looking at the coaching waiver wire when antivaxxer cutdowns come
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 23, 2021, 06:29:22 PM
I don't think anyone wanted to bring in Rick Dennison

I believe the discussion had gone to how closely should we be looking at the coaching waiver wire when antivaxxer cutdowns come

Again, there is no waiver wire for anti-vaxxxers as they are not employable as NFL coaches.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on August 01, 2021, 07:59:31 AM
All three of the Vikings QBs are in isolation after Kellen Monds tested positive. Apparently Cousins has been an outspoken anti vaxxer.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 01, 2021, 08:54:54 AM
All three of the Vikings QBs are in isolation after Kellen Monds tested positive. Apparently Cousins has been an outspoken anti vaxxer.

You like that? YOU LIKE THAT!
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on August 03, 2021, 11:53:04 AM
Vikes are having themselves one heck of an offseason.

Chris Tomasson @christomasson

Breaking news: #Vikings CB Jeff Gladney has been indicted by a grand jury in Dallas on a charge of allegedly assaulting a woman in Dallas in April. A trial date will be scheduled. Story to be posted soon.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on August 05, 2021, 12:41:14 PM
https://twitter.com/SeifertESPN/status/1423334082151428096?s=19
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: bojanglesman on August 05, 2021, 12:46:49 PM
https://twitter.com/SeifertESPN/status/1423334082151428096?s=19
Damn...lol
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 05, 2021, 12:53:03 PM
Kirk Cousins are dumb.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: delavan on August 05, 2021, 01:10:24 PM
Kirk Cousins are dumb.

Kurt Cousins be dumb.

Just heard Cousins at a presser saying how his anti-vaxx stance was a 'private decision'.  Sure Kurt, as if you (esp. as a QB) can operate independently in a bubble.....go on over to that other practice field and work with the punters.  Thank goodness he was only using the Jets $30/yr offer as a bargaining chips with the Vikes. 
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Heismanberg on August 05, 2021, 01:15:32 PM
HE HAS THE RIGHT TO SURROUND HIMSELF IN PLEXI-GLASS
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 05, 2021, 01:17:42 PM
HE HAS THE RIGHT TO SURROUND HIMSELF IN PLEXI-GLASS

Is he going to do that for 7-on-7s?
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on August 05, 2021, 01:35:57 PM
Just heard Cousins at a presser saying how his anti-vaxx stance was a 'private decision'.

This basically translates to "I'm just smart enough to know how stupid any attempt at an explanation would actually sound". I assume it's something to do with his church.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on August 05, 2021, 04:11:00 PM
Kirk Cousins isn't even a good QB....let him die with the rest of the antivaxxer dumbfucks
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on August 05, 2021, 09:04:51 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamUren/status/1423340318976626695?s=09
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: mj2sexay on August 05, 2021, 09:09:34 PM
Kirk Cousins isn't even a good QB....let him die with the rest of the antivaxxer dumbfucks

Jesus Christ that is a freaking ridiculous take.

"Anyone who doesn't march in lockstep with my worldview should die!"
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2021, 09:31:01 PM
Jesus Christ that is a freaking ridiculous take.

"Anyone who doesn't march in lockstep with my worldview should die!"

Except in this case people are choosing to refuse a thing that would save the lives of themselves and their loved ones

Purely because of some perverse delusion
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: mj2sexay on August 05, 2021, 10:00:57 PM
Except in this case people are choosing to refuse a thing that would save the lives of themselves and their loved ones

Purely because of some perverse delusion

Lol ok.

"You won't get vaccinated against a virus with a 97 percent survival rate, FUCKIN DIE'

Is that logical or virtuous? No. No it isn't.

Vaccinated or unvaccinated I don't think it's good form or karma.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2021, 10:20:43 PM
Lol ok.

"You won't get vaccinated against a virus with a 97 percent survival rate, FUCKIN DIE'

Is that logical or virtuous? No. No it isn't.

Vaccinated or unvaccinated I don't think it's good form or karma.

Put differently this is an extraordinarily contagious disease.

We live in a country with 330 million people. 3% is a big freaking number.

And what % of people are crippled or will suffer severe long term mental/physical effects?

I took care of a 20 something year old with no medical history that died last month from covid. I have multiple covid survivors who had undergone or are sitting around rotting waiting for lung transplants. Only looking at the mortality rate is useless, because I've taken care of plenty of covid survivors that if it was me I'd prefer the alternative.

Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on August 06, 2021, 06:33:28 AM
Jesus Christ that is a freaking ridiculous take.

"Anyone who doesn't march in lockstep with my worldview should die!"
No it's not...this is where we're at. Dcm is correct, it's a choice now. You want to choose to be ignorant and not get vaccinated, then pay the iron price.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: delavan on August 08, 2021, 08:34:01 AM
Hospital in Kirk Cousins’ hometown ends relationship with him over anti-vaccine stance

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/06/hospital-in-kirk-cousins-hometown-ends-relationship-with-him-over-anti-vaccine-stance/

Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on August 29, 2021, 03:06:04 PM
Mike Golic Jr
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Vikings and All-Pro Safety Harrison Smith have agreed to a 4-year, $64 million extension, per source. The deal makes Smith the second highest-paid safety in the NFL at the age of 32.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 29, 2021, 03:49:13 PM
Mike Golic Jr
@mikegolicjr
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Vikings and All-Pro Safety Harrison Smith have agreed to a 4-year, $64 million extension, per source. The deal makes Smith the second highest-paid safety in the NFL at the age of 32.

I'm sure he'll enjoy giving that back to the NFL when he causes a forfeit.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on September 08, 2021, 12:45:30 PM
Adam Schefter
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Vikings gave Brian O’Neill a five-year, $92.5 million extension, per source.



RTs are starting to get paid like LTs.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on September 08, 2021, 08:26:33 PM
Adam Schefter
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Vikings gave Brian O’Neill a five-year, $92.5 million extension, per source.



RTs are starting to get paid like LTs.

Not sure how good of an RT this dude is, but is APY is 18.5 million which is only 80% of what the top left tackles are making

And considering that the top paid LT got his contract at 33 years old with injury issues, it's not unreasonable to assume that the top left tackles will probably be getting contracts with an APY of 25-26 million
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Libero_2 on September 08, 2021, 09:41:31 PM
Not sure how good of an RT this dude is, but is APY is 18.5 million which is only 80% of what the top left tackles are making

And considering that the top paid LT got his contract at 33 years old with injury issues, it's not unreasonable to assume that the top left tackles will probably be getting contracts with an APY of 25-26 million

Someone should point this out to Becton and tell him to stay freaking healthy so we can pay him
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 09, 2021, 01:03:38 AM
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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Vikings gave Brian O’Neill a five-year, $92.5 million extension, per source.



RTs are starting to get paid like LTs.

How much is the cap increasing relative to compensation?
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on September 09, 2021, 01:24:33 AM
How much is the cap increasing relative to compensation?

Not just the natural cap increases itself, but there's the season increase + expanded playoffs.

Those in themselves probably increased the cap by close to 10%. Before even accounting for economic  inflation and the natural increase of things.

I don't think it's insane to think the cap could increase by like 20 to 25% over 3 years
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: bojanglesman on November 01, 2021, 09:25:28 AM
https://twitter.com/FanDuel/status/1455017395693756421?t=5Sbyh0PPzA7OJyPvjT1ubg&s=19

I enjoy shitting on Cousins.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: mj2sexay on November 01, 2021, 09:38:30 AM
As much as Cousins freaking stinks, Quentin Nelson is probably a Jet if he decided  to sign here instead of pull a Antoine Winfield/Anthony Barr and pimp our offer to Minnesota.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Heismanberg on November 01, 2021, 10:07:10 AM
As much as Cousins freaking stinks, Quentin Nelson is probably a Jet if he decided  to sign here instead of pull a Antoine Winfield/Anthony Barr and pimp our offer to Minnesota.

Yeah, but we'd still have Kirk Cousins as our QB. 
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: ons on November 01, 2021, 01:07:17 PM
I for one enjoy having the Viking's fourth round pick for Herndon, who has two total catches so far this season.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on November 01, 2021, 01:21:37 PM
Apparently as of 2 weeks ago Cousins is guaranteed $45M next season. That seems.... mindboggling. They're going to have to extend him just to get the cap hit down.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 09, 2021, 09:34:53 PM
So are these the character concerns we were warned about when Dalvin was drafted?
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2021, 10:05:38 PM
So are these the character concerns we were warned about when Dalvin was drafted?
This is wild

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1458259259062378502?t=s1gbI_gAqEG1cHrhIFNJjQ&s=19
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2021, 10:12:28 PM
This is wild

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1458259259062378502?t=s1gbI_gAqEG1cHrhIFNJjQ&s=19

And then there's this from her lawsuit

https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1458274795372564481?s=20 (https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1458274795372564481?s=20)
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2021, 06:50:08 AM
Don't let me down Darvin...i need you in Fantasy this Sunday.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on November 10, 2021, 09:21:39 AM
Sounds like Cook has shitty taste in women. But going off his lawyers statement it sounds like he has a pretty strong defense case, especially if we the lawyer says there's a track record of police reports.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Heismanberg on November 10, 2021, 10:29:41 AM
Sounds like Cook has shitty taste in women. But going off his lawyers statement it sounds like he has a pretty strong defense case, especially if we the lawyer says there's a track record of police reports.

Yes, it’s the fault of the women that Dalvin Cook beat them up…
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on November 10, 2021, 11:23:14 AM
If those houseguests have anything to say on the record that would probably be pretty important.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: mj2sexay on November 10, 2021, 11:33:39 AM
If those houseguests have anything to say on the record that would probably be pretty important.

This.

I give credit to Cook's legal team trying to spin this, but those pictures are harrowing.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: bojanglesman on November 10, 2021, 01:06:54 PM
Dakota Dozier in the ER with Covid.  He's vaccinated.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on November 10, 2021, 01:09:45 PM
Dakota Dozier in the ER with Covid.  He's vaccinated.

pRoOf tHaT vAcCiNaTiOnS dOnT wOrK
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on November 24, 2021, 12:29:19 PM
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1463544230123646979?t=5elyEQskdOTJxByuUglVpA&s=19

Yikes
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Heismanberg on November 24, 2021, 12:34:10 PM
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1463544230123646979?t=5elyEQskdOTJxByuUglVpA&s=19

Yikes

The video is pretty rough.  Hope he's alright, but he seemed to be having a mental health crisis. 
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on November 24, 2021, 12:40:42 PM
The video is pretty rough.  Hope he's alright, but he seemed to be having a mental health crisis. 

He had an episode last year i think too, which forced him to take some time off....I wonder if he's bi-polar.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 28, 2021, 06:20:21 PM
https://twitter.com/dieter/status/1465111962656776196
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Andrew Ryan on November 28, 2021, 09:22:47 PM
https://twitter.com/dieter/status/1465111962656776196

That... is a first.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on November 28, 2021, 10:12:14 PM
https://twitter.com/dieter/status/1465111962656776196

WTF? Did he take a big hit or something? That's just bizarre.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: delavan on November 29, 2021, 07:33:59 AM
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/dalvin-cook-injury-update-vikings-rb/z8jxlszh310l1wmfv37ooyrdh
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: reuben on November 29, 2021, 07:34:33 AM
That... is a first.

I'm certain I've seen someone else do it, I just can't remember who.  Aikman, maybe? 
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2021, 08:23:23 AM
I'm certain I've seen someone else do it, I just can't remember who.  Aikman, maybe?
I feel like it was someone more recent than that.

Edit: Tyrod Taylor did it in 2016 but I'm not sure that was who I wss thinking of.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: bojanglesman on November 29, 2021, 09:20:09 AM
I thought it might be a trick play where the ball gets snapped to the RB while the defense is focused on the QB.  But the RB pushed him back under center, so I think he just fucked up.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: delavan on December 04, 2021, 12:02:34 PM
Check out the bimbo Mike Zimmer's tapping

https://nypost.com/2021/11/23/model-katarina-miketin-confirms-relationship-with-vikings-coach-mike-zimmer/
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: bojanglesman on December 04, 2021, 12:43:28 PM
Check out the bimbo Mike Zimmer's tapping

https://nypost.com/2021/11/23/model-katarina-miketin-confirms-relationship-with-vikings-coach-mike-zimmer/
Damn....good for him. 

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/11/model-vikings-01.jpg?quality=90&strip=all)
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on December 04, 2021, 01:13:58 PM
I don't think I knew Zimmer was a widower.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on December 18, 2021, 03:46:54 PM
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
·
46s
The #Vikings waived starting CB Bashaud Breeland after he got into a verbal altercation today at practice with coaches, took off his cleats and got into it with multiple teammates who were trying to calm the situation, sources tell me and @RapSheet
. Too much to come back from.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on December 18, 2021, 09:25:44 PM
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
·
46s
The #Vikings waived starting CB Bashaud Breeland after he got into a verbal altercation today at practice with coaches, took off his cleats and got into it with multiple teammates who were trying to calm the situation, sources tell me and @RapSheet
. Too much to come back from.
Tanny, sign that beast
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on December 18, 2021, 10:44:42 PM
Tanny, sign that beast
Please no, he has been freaking garbage for the last three years.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 18, 2021, 10:50:01 PM
Please no, he has been freaking garbage for the last three years.

Pretty sure that's why he said Tanny.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: reuben on December 18, 2021, 10:59:24 PM
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
·
46s
The #Vikings waived starting CB Bashaud Breeland after he got into a verbal altercation today at practice with coaches, took off his cleats and got into it with multiple teammates who were trying to calm the situation, sources tell me and @RapSheet
. Too much to come back from.

Man got so mad he turned into Eddie Murphy's mom.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: bojanglesman on December 31, 2021, 12:30:51 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1476944201694777369?t=LHTJCP-Gf_3pYmZBDpgkJQ&s=19
Lolsies
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Heismanberg on March 13, 2022, 06:45:56 PM
https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1503153379018788865?s=21
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Libero_2 on March 13, 2022, 06:56:47 PM
https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1503153379018788865?s=21

Why? What potential reason is there to give him $55 million in March of 2023 and a No-trade clause?
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2022, 07:05:43 PM
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1503156142054203393?s=20&t=59Ix8S7WrHqSDf1G763BxQ


YOU LIKE THAT?!
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: bojanglesman on March 13, 2022, 07:11:49 PM
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1503156142054203393?s=20&t=59Ix8S7WrHqSDf1G763BxQ


YOU LIKE THAT?!
Can't argue that.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on March 13, 2022, 07:17:28 PM
Can't argue that.

Cousins deserves to have his jersey hanging in the rafters in Bo's House of Finance.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 30, 2022, 09:59:11 AM
Between the AVT and Herndon trades last year, JD completely trade raped the Vikings.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 30, 2022, 10:01:03 AM
Signing Tyler Conklin who's been showing out all offseason is just the cherry on top.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 30, 2022, 10:51:35 AM
Signing Tyler Conklin who's been showing out all offseason is just the cherry on top.

That was my favorite part.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 30, 2022, 11:16:26 AM
Between the AVT and Herndon trades last year, JD completely trade raped the Vikings.
AVT trade was pretty standard, but the Herndon trade was the perfect example of a reactionary trade to an injury.

I remember when some were upset we were getting rid of a weapon for Zach when that trade was made. Laughable in retrospect, though Douglas really should have had a better option last year than Ryan Griffin.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 30, 2022, 11:22:41 AM
AVT trade was pretty standard, but the Herndon trade was the perfect example of a reactionary trade to an injury.

The Vikings cut the two players they took with the 3rd rounders we gave them today.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Libero_2 on August 30, 2022, 03:22:14 PM
The Vikings cut the two players they took with the 3rd rounders we gave them today.

Based on this alone, can we stop arguing (as a larger fan base) about whether the trade for AVT was good value or not?
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on August 30, 2022, 03:32:53 PM
Based on this alone, can we stop arguing (as a larger fan base) about whether the trade for AVT was good value or not?

I've literally never seen or heard anyone question that. I'm sure somewhere out there in the mongverse someone has, but I don't think it's an issue that has rent the fanbase asunder.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Libero_2 on August 30, 2022, 03:42:07 PM
I've literally never seen or heard anyone question that. I'm sure somewhere out there in the mongverse someone has, but I don't think it's an issue that has rent the fanbase asunder.

That was the giant argue,ent the day after the trade for months that “this is an atrocious trade for the Jets.” Largely because you “can’t give up that much for a OG” and “if you just stayed where you were, drafted the best OL available (the OT from VaTech Darrisaw that the Vikings took) and then drafted two more OGs with the picks traded away, you likely get a better overall performing OL”

Which is all bullshit anyways, but I was really annoyed listening to fans and media people talking about that nonsense, and also forgetting we got a 4th back, which oh by the way resulted in us being able to either draft Michael Carter, or trade down for a 5 and 6 which I believe became Michael Carter II and Hamsah Nasirildeen
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 30, 2022, 04:31:35 PM
We'll see if AVT lives up to the 13th pick in the draft before we victory lap too hard. It looks like he will, but he still has to prove it, and the bar for a guard in the top 15 to be worth the pick is pretty high.

I remember when the Sam Darnold trade happened, we were thrilled we didn't give up a 1st-round pick, but then a year or two later, we were complaining we couldn't build around him because we lacked the draft capital.

The big difference here is that Joe Douglas built up a lot of extra draft capital where we could sustain giving up picks to move up for Jermaine Johnson or AVT or Breece Hall.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: reuben on September 08, 2022, 01:50:21 PM
Vikings ST coach in 2014:  "Put all the gays on an island and then nuke it."

Vikings ST coach in 2022: https://twitter.com/alec_lewis/status/1567895990727839752 (https://twitter.com/alec_lewis/status/1567895990727839752)

Progress!
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: reuben on November 06, 2022, 10:05:22 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/yo253f/highlight_vikings_play_bowling/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/yo253f/highlight_vikings_play_bowling/)

You'd think eleven guys would be appropriate for this celebration, but the whole team was like "freak it, I'm in too."
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on December 20, 2022, 02:57:23 PM
He's back

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1605214210962722823?s=19
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on December 20, 2022, 03:00:39 PM
Also, LOL at them paying $84M guaranteed to Kirk Cousins. Glad we weren't dumb enough to do something like that.
I still don't think the Cousins signing is a bad move. Yeah he's expensive for his level of performance. But he's a legitimate starting QB. Not a top 10 one but not bottom 10 either.

By signing him they're able to go BPA and build a competitive team around him while eventually looking for a franchise QB to develop. Considering how expensive talented QB's are to draft and the degree of luck involved, I think the Cousins move was a good one
Except...we were. Thankfully, Cousins didn't want anything to do with us.

Make no mistake, Duff was ready to bend over for Cousins.
Cousins was a product of no other options on the market when he was a free agent and a lot of teams needing a QB that bad. I never wanted him, we can think him indirectly for getting Darnold.
dcm was right
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on December 20, 2022, 03:03:16 PM
Yes he was. I don't think they're where they are because of Cousins and I think they could have been where they are with a different and probably less expensive option, but in hindsight it has still worked out pretty well for them.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on July 20, 2023, 01:40:56 PM
Quote
Dov Kleiman
@NFL_DovKleiman
·
29m
Update: #Vikings rookie WR Jordan Addison was cited for driving 140 miles in a 50 mile zone, per @SInow


Not an ideal start for the rookie's career.

skol!
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Libero_2 on July 20, 2023, 04:06:53 PM
skol!

Didn’t he say after being drafted something like “it’s time to get this work in to get paid” or something like that?
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on July 20, 2023, 04:19:48 PM
Didn’t he say after being drafted something like “it’s time to get this work in to get paid” or something like that?

he should probably have a chat with Ruggs before he ends up in the cell next to him.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on August 31, 2023, 11:16:47 AM
Dianna Russini
@DMRussini
·
10m
T.J. Hockenson is getting a 4 year deal, worth $66 million that can get to $68.5 million, per league sources .
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 15, 2023, 09:23:48 AM
Quote
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1702659441177358572

What a bunch of freaking pieces of excrement.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Heismanberg on September 15, 2023, 09:30:50 AM
What a bunch of freaking pieces of excrement.

I wonder how much different the sport would be if fantasy football never existed.

We've got people that want Cover 2 to be banned because it's harder for offenses to score.  You know how to get a defense out of a two high safety look?  Rex Ryan knew.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2023, 09:38:07 AM
I wonder how much different the sport would be if fantasy football never existed.

Welcome aboard the bandwagon
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on September 16, 2023, 02:01:17 PM
I wonder how much different the sport would be if fantasy football never existed.



The NFL wouldn't be as popular.


For example, i read an article by Pierre Lebrun (the Athletic) yesterday about each NHL team having their own fantasy football league....and how it feeds into the lockeroom camaraderie
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2023, 08:39:59 AM
Lmao

https://www.looper.com/1395895/kfc-kirk-cousins-commercial-online-criticism-racism/
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2023, 05:37:27 PM
Vikings trade for Cam Akers
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2023, 05:49:01 PM
A 2026 pick swap in 2023 is pretty funny.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: dcm1602 on September 20, 2023, 07:30:07 PM
A 2026 pick swap in 2023 is pretty funny.
A 2026 pick swap in 2023 is pretty funny.

A conditional 6th for a conditional 7th
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on October 29, 2023, 03:49:43 PM
Cousins tore his achilles.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 31, 2023, 12:45:40 PM
Vikings trading for Josh Dobbs
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2023, 01:01:57 PM
Vikings trading for Josh Dobbs

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Comp update: Cardinals traded Josh Dobbs and a 7th-round pick to the Vikings for a 6th-round pick, per source.



garage sale prices
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Heismanberg on October 31, 2023, 01:11:13 PM
for a garage sale player
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2023, 01:12:31 PM
for a garage sale player

He's better than Tim Boyle, and he speaks Klingon.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2023, 01:19:41 PM
JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
Compensation: #Vikings are getting a 6th for sending guard Ezra Cleveland to the #Jaguars, per source.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: bojanglesman on October 31, 2023, 01:20:28 PM
JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
Compensation: #Vikings are getting a 6th for sending guard Ezra Cleveland to the #Jaguars, per source.
woulda been a good deal.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 31, 2023, 01:21:44 PM
We had a 6th round pick.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2023, 01:28:03 PM
JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
Compensation: #Vikings are getting a 6th for sending guard Ezra Cleveland to the #Jaguars, per source.

That can't be right, I was told no one trades decent linemen at the deadline.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: reuben on October 31, 2023, 01:32:00 PM
JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
Compensation: #Vikings are getting a 6th for sending guard Ezra Cleveland to the #Jaguars, per source.

lover of the older lady
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 31, 2023, 01:41:53 PM
The interest in Cleveland must have been pretty tepid if that's all they could get for him.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Heismanberg on October 31, 2023, 01:42:28 PM
Isn't he hurt?

I thought I heard an announcer say he was out when I was watching the Vikings game a week ago
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 31, 2023, 01:48:37 PM
Isn't he hurt?

I thought I heard an announcer say he was out when I was watching the Vikings game a week ago

Not hurt enough.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2023, 03:18:51 PM
Dobbs Mob rise up
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: bojanglesman on November 05, 2023, 03:23:12 PM
He's an ugly MFer but he's done some things this year.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2023, 12:35:54 PM
Quote
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
An MRI confirmed the #Vikings’ fears: RB Cam Akers suffered a ruptured Achilles tendon and is out for the season, coach Kevin O’Connell said. Akers’ second Achilles injury.

probably a career-ender.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: Miamipuck on November 06, 2023, 01:35:32 PM
probably a career-ender.

Thought it was the other leg.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2023, 01:50:36 PM
Thought it was the other leg.

"You ready Akers?"

"you bet boss"

"GOOD, CUZ YER GOIN"

*stick tap*
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 06, 2023, 02:15:35 PM
Imagine if it happed a week ago and they asked us for Dalvin back.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 22, 2023, 03:19:55 PM
Vikings switching between turf surfaces for their field.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39160889/vikings-changing-artificial-turfs-cite-better-injury-data
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on December 22, 2023, 04:48:23 PM
Vikings switching between turf surfaces for their field.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39160889/vikings-changing-artificial-turfs-cite-better-injury-data
At least we know if we get into a bidding war with the Vikes in free agency..we'll know where the player will go.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 22, 2023, 06:00:06 PM
At least we know if we get into a bidding war with the Vikes in free agency..we'll know where the player will go.

We're currently using a monofilament-type turf like the one they are switching to, just a different brand from what I can tell.
Title: Re: lolVikings
Post by: MBGreen on December 22, 2023, 06:50:07 PM
We're currently using a monofilament-type turf like the one they are switching to, just a different brand from what I can tell.
Yeah but still