Jet Offensive
New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: MBGreen on April 30, 2021, 06:26:30 PM
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This was a guy that most people had in the 1st round.
Good value. And I'm fine addressing more WR.
Our WR corps is night and day from last year.
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Package Crowder and a Day 3 pick to get back in?
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Are these the Jets?
JD is killing it this year. Love the triple dip on offense. Saleh can coach the D up for now, lets make sure Zach has all the support he can get.
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Egg Bowl legend.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPek6FrrKYE0
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Somebody get a highlight reel up in here
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I love Moore
He fills the Deebo role in this scheme
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Moore can do the jet sweeps and get a lot of the LOS touches Deebo Samuel gets. And he's got the speed element that the rest of our offense doesn't really have. He's a different dynamic than Mims and Davis. I do wonder what this means for Crowder, but I don't see why we can't keep Crowder this year, use Moore in bits and spurts, and let Moore develop at his own pace. And if he takes a starting spot, that's fantastic.
We can also even use him out of the backfield on some obvious passing downs.
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I feel like WR was a part of the roster I was less concerned about, but I'm not upset about upgrading there.
Davis
Mims
Crowder
Cole
Moore
Heismanberg's boys Smith and Smyth might be looking for jobs this summer.
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Rebel Mike is so excited
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The Smiths had their chance last year and couldn't take advantage of it.
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I feel like WR was a part of the roster I was less concerned about, but I'm not upset about upgrading there.
Davis
Mims
Crowder
Cole
Moore
Heismanberg's boys Smith and Smyth might be looking for jobs this summer.
And freaking Berrios should be out of a job here. Added bonus
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And freaking Berrios should be out of a job here. Added bonus
I don't hate him as a returner. He's a safe pair of hands and it's increasingly difficult to actually turn a punt or especially a kick into a score these days. Catch the ball, maybe escape a tackle or two, don't turn it over, be cheap. Those are the primary skills of a returner in the current day NFL and he fulfils them fairly well.
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And freaking Berrios should be out of a job here. Added bonus
Berrios = Crowder per Jets twitter last year
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https://twitter.com/brgridiron/status/1388275874684973057
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DJax and Santana Moss comps. Not a bad weapon to add to the arsenal
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BYE BERRIOS
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someone drop a fvckin lit youtube comp we're 2 pages in
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Do you guys not know how to use YouTube yourselves or something?
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DJax and Santana Moss comps. Not a bad weapon to add to the arsenal
Jackson is a horrible comparison
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Do you guys not know how to use YouTube yourselves or something?
bro you wrote this post instead of posting a youtube vid
bro we just talkin bout the decent thing to do
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You lazy fucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on0FisUOvu0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRr4yBqyFnI
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You lazy fucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on0FisUOvu0
He said lit YouTube comp, this excrement lame AF
I can’t watch it without a horrendous SoundCloud rapper track and D grade visual effects
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He said lit YouTube comp, this excrement lame AF
I can’t watch it without a horrendous SoundCloud rapper track and D grade visual effects
Is this something you might be interested in?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DHHhZ0T2Ks
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ESPN's comp was Steve Smith
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ESPN's comp was Steve Smith
Saw that. I can definitely get excited for having a new version of that poopchute in a Jets jersey.
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Is this something you might be interested in?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DHHhZ0T2Ks
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Exactly what I was looking for
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ESPN's comp was Steve Smith
Steve Smith and Santana Moss comps are the ones I like
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ESPN's comp was Steve Smith
That is the comp
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ESPN's comp was Steve Smith
'i wouldn't let mark sanchez throw me a ham sandwich' steve smith?
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I hope he wears #8
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Mel Kiper had Moore as his #16 overall player
PFF: 22
Jeremiah: 26
McShay: 33
Zierlein: 22
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Mel Kiper had Moore as his #16 overall player
PFF: 22
Jeremiah: 26
McShay: 33
Zierlein: 22
So in other words, value on all the big boards. Seems like we are doing just fine so far this weekend.
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I thought it was previously established that Kiper's a clown and PFF are trash?
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I thought it was previously established that Kiper's a clown and PFF are trash?
Nah, we drafted 3 of the top 16 players on Mel's board. He is now in Chris Simms territory.
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Nah, we drafted 3 of the top 16 players on Mel's board. He is now in Chris Simms territory.
He also called us a Loser after yesterday for trading up for AVT a top 10 player on his board.
So I'm not sure how Jets fans rank Mel at this point
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I know they are pro day numbers, but he ran a 4.32 40, 4.00 short shuttle and a 6.65 3 cone... those are absurd numbers. This dude is explosive.
I really like the Lockett comparison. Very similar measurables and play style. Idk if Moore is as physical a player as Steve Smith.
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How "punch my own safety in the face" is he?
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1388328140326461441
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I think we are going to love the way Saleh coaches on the sideline. After the last decade of Gase and Bowles stoic nonsense, Saleh's energy and excitement is going to be tremendous. Assuming he can coach well, he's got the right demeanor for Jets fans, and we are going to freaking love him
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Moore looks like a fast little beast. I'm drunk. Good pick.
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1388328140326461441?s=19
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So at what point is Wilson going to change his name Elisha?
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Elisha, Elijah and Alijah. We need like an Aliyah.
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Really like what Moore can provide. We didn't have that WR who can take carries on jet sweeps or line up in the backfield and be a threat. He's a swiss army knife. We can use him a lot of the ways the 49ers use Deebo Samuel, though Moore is a different player, and I think he can be more than that. He's also a completely different element than Mims and Davis. He's a little redundant with Crowder at points.
He runs really good routes, he catches everything in sight, and he's very elusive when he has the ball. That is a hell of a combination. Some of the super-optimistic projections I've seen are Antonio Brown, and if he hits his ceiling, it's only a little crazy. That's kind of the same combination Antonio Brown had early in his career before taking his game to another level.
Tyler Lockett is another one who has a similar profile and similar top-end productivity in college. Lockett was better at the ancillary parts though, mainly returning.
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Elisha, Elijah and Alijah. We need like an Aliyah.
So far we've drafted Zachary, Alijah and Elijah. Fully expect our next picks to be Dylan Moses, Joshua Kaindoh and Israel Mukuamu.
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Another type of hype video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMX4JMSsmkU
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I’m not sure how to feel after watching that.
Brown is still trying to do the things on the field Moore already does? Brown took Moore in and let him live with him? Interesting stuff.
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https://twitter.com/sinow/status/1388273411441315845?s=21
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Really like what Moore can provide. We didn't have that WR who can take carries on jet sweeps or line up in the backfield and be a threat. He's a swiss army knife. We can use him a lot of the ways the 49ers use Deebo Samuel, though Moore is a different player, and I think he can be more than that. He's also a completely different element than Mims and Davis. He's a little redundant with Crowder at points.
He runs really good routes, he catches everything in sight, and he's very elusive when he has the ball. That is a hell of a combination. Some of the super-optimistic projections I've seen are Antonio Brown, and if he hits his ceiling, it's only a little crazy. That's kind of the same combination Antonio Brown had early in his career before taking his game to another level.
Tyler Lockett is another one who has a similar profile and similar top-end productivity in college. Lockett was better at the ancillary parts though, mainly returning.
This hyped me out of my hangover
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Interesting
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/n2jwxk/peep_the_round_and_pick_to_the_left_looks_like_we
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Hnnngh
https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1388273456844791811?s=20
Jets’ Elijah Moore had a step or more of separation on 90% of his targets last season.
Highest % in power five football. https://t.co/l4f0H4vvxa
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https://mobile.twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1388295664862433282?s=21
Joe Douglas says that the #Jets did not draft Elijah Moore to replace Jamison Crowder.
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he also said sam was our starting quarterback
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he also said sam was our starting quarterback
Crowder is actually good though.
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Crowder is actually good though.
Crowder and Davis are great inside options. Moore and Mims should be our outside guys.
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Crowder and Davis are great inside options. Moore and Mims should be our outside guys.
Uh, nah, Davis is our outside guy. He can play some slot, but with our personnel right now, he fits far better outside.
Moore can do outside work, but he's far better at the slot right now.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1388295664862433282?s=21
Joe Douglas says that the #Jets did not draft Elijah Moore to replace Jamison Crowder.
This is the way
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Uh, nah, Davis is our outside guy. He can play some slot, but with our personnel right now, he fits far better outside.
Moore can do outside work, but he's far better at the slot right now.
If we're going 4 WR sets I'd rather have Davis inside to leverage his size against interior defenders than having both sub 6' WRs going up against inside safeties and LBs.
I feel like we'd get better results than mirroring the inside and outside personnel.
If they're not all on the field at the same time, put em wherever.
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If we're going 4 WR sets I'd rather have Davis inside to leverage his size against interior defenders than having both sub 6' WRs going up against inside safeties and LBs.
I feel like we'd get better results than mirroring the inside and outside personnel.
If they're not all on the field at the same time, put em wherever.
49ers and Packers didn't really run any 4 WR sets last year, so not sure we will be doing a lot of that.
If all 4 are on the field at the same time, my guess is Moore is in the backfield.
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49ers and Packers didn't really run any 4 WR sets last year, so not sure we will be doing a lot of that.
If all 4 are on the field at the same time, my guess is Moore is in the backfield.
Well I don't see any of our TEs being consistent contributors on offense unless Herndon has a resurgence of his rookie season so we might have to flex on passing options.
Davis is tall and aggressive enough to fill that role.
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Well I don't see any of our TEs being consistent contributors on offense unless Herndon has a resurgence of his rookie season so we might have to flex on passing options.
Davis is tall and aggressive enough to fill that role.
I'm holding out hope that this will happen. I want to chalk 2020 up to returning from a long injury, getting sober, and working in a miserable environment. You could just see that his mind wasn't right on the field. I think Saleh culture will do a lot for his mindset.
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I'm holding out hope that this will happen. I want to chalk 2020 up to returning from a long injury, getting sober, and working in a miserable environment. You could just see that his mind wasn't right on the field. I think Saleh culture will do a lot for his mindset.
I'm hoping he turns it around but I also want a contingency plan. In my mind Davis playing inside snaps gives us something that we wouldn't have if Herndon was washed.
Ryan Griffin was a single season Sam Darnold safety blanket so I'm not holding my breath dor anything there.
Brown and other white guy we signed seem to be slightly better Mulligan clones.
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This guy will be the best pick of our draft. I'm drunk.
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This guy will be the best pick of our draft. I'm drunk.
Yeah he kinda feels like the biggest steal.
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https://twitter.com/00jets/status/1388988692031811584?s=21
Normal WR stuff
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https://twitter.com/00jets/status/1388988692031811584?s=21
Normal WR stuff
Oh excrement
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https://twitter.com/00jets/status/1388988692031811584?s=21
Normal WR stuff
The ball literally stuck to his hand almost as if it was photoshopped in there. Freaking nuts.
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Moore’s 149.1 yards per game is the most by a college receiver in a season since 2009.
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Moore’s 149.1 yards per game is the most by a college receiver in a season since 2009.
Who was the 2009 guy?
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Who was the 2009 guy?
Dunno, looks to me like Danario Alexander and Freddie Barnes topped that class with 137 and 136.15, respectively.
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Maybe some scrub from Ole Miss(Alaska) caught 200 yards in his only game and fucked up the chart.
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Dunno, looks to me like Danario Alexander and Freddie Barnes topped that class with 137 and 136.15, respectively.
I was thinking someone like AJ Green, but no.
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Moore’s 149.1 yards per game is the most by a college receiver in a season since 2009.
I'm calling shenanigans on this stat
But mostly I'm just annoyed I spent 15 minutes combing through the leaderboards of 2009 CFB
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Technically, the stat is correct, but it's the most since Crabtree in 2007.
6th-most in FBS history. One former Jets draft pick is ahead of him.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2020/FBS.pdf page 57
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Blame the official Jets twitter acct pretty sure that’s where I grabbed it from
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1389613152409694215?s=21
Lol this sample size is weird AF and doesn’t answer Badgers question
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
#Jets WR Elijah Moore said he & Zach Wilson have been talking to each other every day.
The two have been watching & sending each other’s highlights.
“I’m going to do whatever I can to make him look good, and vice-versa”
I'm ready for the season to start now.
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I'm ready for the season to start now.
The new Rodgers & Cobb
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Jets rookie WR Elijah Moore says he has been in contact almost every day with Zach Wilson.
“He’s like a general ... His passion comes out through the phone.”
On practicing with Wilson for the first time: “I’m ready to watch him look pretty throwing me balls.” #Jets
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“I’m ready to watch him look pretty throwing me balls.” #Jets
fvckin pause.
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https://twitter.com/dbienaimenydn/status/1391083804656275462?s=21
Bean route
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https://twitter.com/dbienaimenydn/status/1391083804656275462?s=21
Bean route
He's going to be open all day
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Imagine if Dowell Loggains was still our OC instead of LaFleur
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Imagine if Dowell Loggains was still our OC instead of LaFleur
Lafleur has never been an OC before. The possibility exists that he will be worse.
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Lafleur has never been an OC before. The possibility exists that he will be worse.
If we were talking about virtually any Oc ever aside from Loggains I’d agree. All that dude was capable of was fetching Gases coffee and sucking his dick. I’m not sure he’s capable of being an OC for any other coaching staff in college or the pros.
So Lafleur is almost certainly going to be better since he actually can coach the sport. How much better? A very legitimate question.
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I agree with the posters above. Should have kept Gase. It can always get worse.
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Imagine if Dowell Loggains was still our OC instead of LaFleur
I've completely wiped Derwell Ploppains from the history books. Never to be spoken again.
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Lafleur has never been an OC before. The possibility exists that he will be worse.
2020 - Points: 32
Yards: 32
2019 - Points: 31
Yards: 32
Lowest total points scored (243 + 276) out of any of the offenses in the Gase/Bowles/Ryan eras.
Bring on “worse”, my body is ready.
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"LaFleur could be worse than Loggains" is as bad a take as "I'm not sure we're going to fire Gase" last midseason.
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"LaFleur could be worse than Loggains" is as bad a take as "I'm not sure we're going to fire Gase" last midseason.
agreed
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"LaFleur could be worse than Loggains" is as bad a take as "I'm not sure we're going to fire Gase" last midseason.
My statement was "the possibility exists that". I don't for a moment believe it will be the case, I just derive mild enjoyment from putting a pin in the balloon of unbridled optimism that always surrounds new hires at this club.
#idzikdaninja
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My statement was "the possibility exists that". I don't for a moment believe it will be the case, I just derive mild enjoyment from putting a pin in the balloon of unbridled optimism that always surrounds new hires at this club.
#idzikdaninja
That's a lot of words for "suggesting unlikely shitty things for no good reason."
Zach might choke on a pretzel and die this summer. It could happen!
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all i needed to see to realize that the offensive staff was going to be night-and-day compared to the last was the footwork drills they put wilson through during the OTAs, which did not consist of a fat hobbit playing our OC tap-dancing on the field trying to teach a young QB about foot work
doesn't mean our offense is going to be good, but things are different now. seeing that clip of our fat midget OC working on footwork with sam was a totally unbecoming event for this franchise, and it was only the start of a 2 year hell
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2020 - Points: 32
Yards: 32
2019 - Points: 31
Yards: 32
Lowest total points scored (243 + 276) out of any of the offenses in the Gase/Bowles/Ryan eras.
Bring on “worse”, my body is ready.
Honestly if he manages to do worse than this he deserves some kind official recognition.
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My statement was "the possibility exists that". I don't for a moment believe it will be the case, I just derive mild enjoyment from putting a pin in the balloon of unbridled optimism that always surrounds new hires at this club.
#idzikdaninja
Name 1 person who unironically wanted Dowell Loggains hired as our OC.
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Name 1 person who unironically wanted Dowell Loggains hired as our OC.
Adam Gase
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Things you love to see
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Who invited the fat poopchute?
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I've completely wiped Derwell Ploppains from the history books. Never to be spoken again.
Bowel Logjams raised a lotta red flags
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this is wilson trying to rehabilitate his image after those liked trump tweets and that video of him feeling awkward around black people were revealed
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0dA-G-YUF0
this is high quality #content
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https://nypost.com/2021/05/18/elijah-moores-elite-skillset-should-have-jets-drooling/
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https://nypost.com/2021/05/18/elijah-moores-elite-skillset-should-have-jets-drooling/
Promising to know he smoked Jaycee Horn in his first game at Ole Miss
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Promising to know he smoked Jaycee Horn in his first game at Ole Miss
he's gonna smoke Jaycee Horn again in Week 1 of the season.
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he's gonna smoke Jaycee Horn again in Week 1 of the season.
He probably won't play much week 1.
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He probably won't play much week 1.
Horn or Moore?
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Horn or Moore?
Moore
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He probably won't play much week 1.
what makes you say that?
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what makes you say that?
Crowder is the starter in the slot. He'll get some snaps, don't get me wrong, but who's coming off the field for him? He'll get some gadgety stuff too, but I'd be surprised if he gets more snaps that Davis, Mims, or Crowder.
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what makes you say that?
Because nothing will happen.
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Because nothing will happen.
This too.
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It's not a problem we've had in forever, so it seems foreign, but we have a good number of solid WRs and only so many snaps. We aren't running 4 WRs sets or anything that much. Doesn't even include Keelan Cole. I'm overstating it a bit when I say he won't play much, but he isn't going to be on the field most of the time. That may change as the season goes along with injuries and if he starts to flash.
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Crowder is the starter in the slot. He'll get some snaps, don't get me wrong, but who's coming off the field for him? He'll get some gadgety stuff too, but I'd be surprised if he gets more snaps that Davis, Mims, or Crowder.
Yeah but we're going to cut Crowder because it's the only way we can get better.
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Yeah but we're going to cut Crowder because it's the only way we can get better.
Cutting Crowder is all about
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Crowder is the starter in the slot. He'll get some snaps, don't get me wrong, but who's coming off the field for him? He'll get some gadgety stuff too, but I'd be surprised if he gets more snaps that Davis, Mims, or Crowder.
This kid will be better than Crowder
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This kid will be better than Crowder
Maybe, but we are talking about week 1.
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Maybe, but we are talking about week 1.
We'll see what happens
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We'll see what happens
3 catches 23 yards
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3 catches 23 yards
You know we fired Dowell Loggains, right?
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You know we fired Dowell Loggains, right?
2 catches 11 yards, fumble.
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2 catches 11 yards, fumble.
all gas no brakes
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Moore will compete for a job. If he's as good as advertised, there is no reason why he can't compete for playing time with anyone else on the roster. Mims isn't a sure thing. Davis is good, but he's not a star. Crowder is good in the slot, but Moore could end up being more explosive.
Most likely, he doesn't play a ton early in the season, but I assume they will try to get him on the field a number of different ways. I still think he'll line up in the backfield on 3rd downs more than some might think.
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Deebo Samuel was heavily involved in SF's offense as a rookie. I don't see why Moore wouldn't get a lot of work early.
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Yet another problem that can be solved by cuttomg Crowder, to include extra cap space for no reason, racism, and moose tracks ice cream not being available in my local grocery store.
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Maybe, but we are talking about week 1.
did crowder make aj brown cry tho
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did crowder make aj brown cry tho
the defense rests, your honor.
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Does Crowder have trade value with his current deal?
Because cutting the best offensive weapon on your team has some bad optics to it.
Trading him makes it a little more palatable.
Not to mention with all the NFLPA nonsense + covid who the freak knows how much practice time these young guys get.
Could make VETS all the more effective early in the season.
Not to mention we gotta whole lot of unproven talent in the wideout room.
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Does Crowder have trade value with his current deal?
Because cutting the best offensive weapon on your team has some bad optics to it.
Trading him makes it a little more palatable.
Not to mention with all the NFLPA nonsense + covid who the freak knows how much practice time these young guys get.
Could make VETS all the more effective early in the season.
Not to mention we gotta whole lot of unproven talent in the wideout room.
Being our best offensive weapon last season doesn't necessarily make him our best one this year.
You hope that Mims takes a step forward this year, Davis continues to improve, and Moore makes an instant impact.
I'd probably rather just keep Crowder and let people compete. Moore doesn't have to play right away if he isn't ready. And Davis, Crowder and Mims have all had injuries in their past, so there's no guarantee they stay healthy.
Getting rid of Crowder only makes sense if
- you only want to play Moore in the slot, Moore is ready to play, and Crowder blocks him
- you need that extra money to pay for a cornerback or some other position
- you think Crowder would be a problem in the locker room if he isn't a focal point of the offense/loses some reps
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Our tight ends suck. Go four wide and spread defenses out.
Crowder and Moore on the field together is a problem.
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Our tight ends suck. Go four wide and spread defenses out.
This. Especially this:
Our tight ends suck.
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I'm still hoping we get something out of Herndon.
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I'm still hoping we get something out of Herndon.
I'm still hoping that Mark Sanchez takes the next step but that doesn't look very likely either.
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https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/86903/jets-have-been-waiting-two-decades-for-wr-prospect-like-elijah-moore
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https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/86903/jets-have-been-waiting-two-decades-for-wr-prospect-like-elijah-moore
All of my Stuckey-Kerley-McKnight-Saunders-Burnett dashed dreams of the scrappiest of slot receivers will come to life in The Prophet Elijah.
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Maybe, but we are talking about week 1.
Ah yes, week 1, where Corey Davis and Mims definitely won’t be out with hamstrings and Braxton Berrios is WR1
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Is it too early to declare him the next Steve Smith Sr?
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Is it too early to declare him the next Steve Smith Sr?
Let’s start with Steve Smith Jr.
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Let’s start with Steve Smith Jr.
Or Jerry Rice
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Ah yes, week 1, where Corey Davis and Mims definitely won’t be out with hamstrings and Braxton Berrios is WR1
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Rookie deal signed
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https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1423255307308965888?s=20
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Rookie big mad. I like it.
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The Giants suck, but it will be fun watching Elijah Moore clearly outproduce Kadarius Toney for the next 3 years before Toney gets cut and Moore is traded after clashing with management.
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From reddit
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https://twitter.com/1kalwaysopen_/status/1425481996655026179?s=21
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1447652291603992578?t=9E6uTu1vPBA-d2jDCD39og&s=19
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1447652291603992578?t=9E6uTu1vPBA-d2jDCD39og&s=19
I've seen nothing out of Elijah Moore to suggest he's one of our top playmakers.
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I've seen nothing out of Elijah Moore to suggest he's one of our top playmakers.
The bar is low.
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He tends to get open, but he hasn't done a whole lot yet. He did have that big play on that corner route out-of-bounds. He also drew a PI this week. But he needs to do more.
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We really have a bunch of personnel issues
Get the playmakers on the field. That said Moore needs to actually make a play. At least Mims has made a couple big grabs
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I really don't think this team is lacking playmakers. Sure, it doesn't have an elite WR as we know, but Davis, Crowder, Cole, Mims and Moore should be enough to succeed on paper.
Part of me thinks Lafleur just isn't using them correctly, plus Zach has been inaccurate and the OL was trash for 3ish games. An above average QB and OC would make this group look more than capable IMO.
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Interesting group of names here
https://twitter.com/PFF_Jarad/status/1455229866895450121?s=20
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Interesting group of names here
https://twitter.com/PFF_Jarad/status/1455229866895450121?s=20
So a struggling rookie QB who had issues hitting open receivers, a QB who has bottomed out after losing his starting RB, and the most replaceable starting QB in the league.
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https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1462518241197232132
WR1
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Field Yates
@FieldYates
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6m
Elijah Moore's last four games:
* 6 catches, 67 yards
* 7 catches, 84 yards, 2 TD
* 3 catches, 44 yards, 1 TD
* 8 catches, 141 yards, 1 TD
The Jets found themselves a keeper at WR.
Now we need Moore to build that chemistry with Uncle Zach
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQ47RKsTKo
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Man, I loved watching his film after we took him. So explosive with the ball in his hands, but he also had sure hands and a great route runner. And NFL receivers have raved about him since we drafted him. Even earlier this week, A.J. Brown cited Moore as someone who helped him through his mental health issues. Seems like we drafted a great player and a great person, and it's exciting we finally have a playmaker on offense.
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Those shortened, speed outs to the flat are so nice
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had an extremely SOJF thought earlier this week. was afraid of moore becoming so good in a couple of years time that he'd get tired of the losing we may very well continue to have and want out
lmao
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Man, I love this kid.
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1465075600331354113
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Man, I love this kid.
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1465075600331354113
Great kid, we could probably trade him right now for a 1st rounder in 2024. Strike while the iron's hot. If we play our cards right, we could get a good rookie WR for him.
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Great kid, we could probably trade him right now for a 1st rounder in 2024. Strike while the iron's hot. If we play our cards right, we could get a good rookie WR for him.
I know you're joking...but with much respect, stfu.
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I know you're joking...but with much respect, stfu.
We could trade MB for Zace and a beef brisket. Deal?
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We could trade MB for Zace and a beef brisket. Deal?
freak off, Idzik.
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freak off, Idzik.
Potential coup.
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We could trade MB for Zace and a beef brisket. Deal?
Is a Zace who goes to tailgates better or worse than an MB who doesn't?
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Is a Zace who goes to tailgates better or worse than an MB who doesn't?
Just be happy you were in attendance with me at a previous tailgate.
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Danny Kelly
@DannyBKelly
Elijah Moore is fifth in the NFL in receiving yards (459) over the past six weeks and is tied for first in touchdowns (5) in that stretch.
Somebody needs to come up with an appropriately reverential name for this thread cuz Moore gud.
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Somebody needs to come up with an appropriately reverential name for this thread cuz Moore gud.
Moore TDs pleez
EDIT: damn that's lame. I'm out
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The Book of Elijah
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The Book of Elijah
provided that Elijah McGuire doesn't find his way back here.
thread title changed.
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My next shitty suggestion was going to be Eliacocca
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My next shitty suggestion was going to be Eliacocca
That's terrible and you should feel bad.
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That's terrible and you should feel bad.
Having no shame is my super power
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My next shitty suggestion was going to be Eliacocca
Eli Cloaca?
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No WR has more receiving TDs since Week 9 than Jets rookie Elijah Moore (5)
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Moore (quad) won't practice Wednesday.
Spin: According to Jets coach Robert Saleh, Moore is day-to-day as Sunday's game against the Saints approaches, with the team hopeful that the rookie wideout will be able to suit up this weekend, Eric Allen of the Jets' official site reports. On the plus side for New York, which placed Corey Davis (groin) on IR on Tuesday, Keelan Cole is slated to practice Wednesday after coming off the reserve/COVID-19 list.
For freak's sake.
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For freak's sake.
Ammmendola could prolly sub in for a.few plays.
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https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1468692787801563147
Jesus, can we sign anyone with a different name?
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Forgot Keelan Cole existed
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https://twitter.com/e_moore03/status/1468753879290548228?s=21
Tha Dedication 8
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https://twitter.com/e_moore03/status/1468753879290548228?s=21
Tha Dedication 8
this is how it begins and we love it
there's a timeline where this devolves to him putting up clips of himself with 'going back to cali' playing in the background after he maneuvers a move to LA
excrement better not happen
he's so good
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Everyone on the team can be named Elijah or Michael Carter. We seem to have the most success with them.
He better play Sunday. Ugh.
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this is how it begins and we love it
there's a timeline where this devolves to him putting up clips of himself with 'going back to cali' playing in the background after he maneuvers a move to LA
excrement better not happen
he's so good
All luv
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Inb4 dcm spins this as a positive so we can evaluate Jeff Smith
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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5m
BREAKING: The #Jets are placing WR Elijah Moore on the injured reserve, per sources.
What the freak is going on here!
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uuuuuuuuuggggghhhh
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What the freak is going on here!
damn
the world has a 'fvck ya life' mantra to the jets
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If we don't wind up with Hutch or Thibs after suffering through all this bullshit...
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What the freak is going on here!
A quad injury is going on here
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The Book of Elijah
Cursed thread title, shut it down
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Funny story...I tweaked my right quad at the gym this morning. I wouldn't play thru this either.
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Cursed thread title, shut it down
Eliacocca?
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How does a guy go from questionable on Wednesday to out a minimum of three weeks on Saturday?
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How does a guy go from questionable on Wednesday to out a minimum of three weeks on Saturday?
Maybe he tried to push through it and made it worse.
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I feel like whatever vengeful spirit haunts this franchise heard Saleh describe himself as an eternal optimist and thought "we'll freaking see about that..."
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Maybe he tried to push through it and made it worse.
You're probably right but it's incredible how on the distribution of outcomes this team always seems to find itself on the "fucked in the derriere" end of the spectrum.
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More than a quarter of our cap is on IR.
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More than a quarter of our cap is on IR.
Wasn’tthis the same situation last season? How does this keep happening?
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Vyyyy Syyyyy syyyzyyn
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Wasn’t this the same situation last season? How does this keep happening?
That was two seasons ago, when we were second behind the Lions with 34% of our cap on IR by season's end. Last season, we were apparently in the middle of the pack with just under 15% of our cap on IR. This is all according to Spotrac.
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Ugh. So depressing. Was hoping Zach Wilson would repeat what Darnold and Geno did and play well at the end of his freshman year to provide hope. That's suddenly a lot more difficult.
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Sucks because he's key to Wilson's development.
But since we can't fight fate....bring on Thibs or Hutch.
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Here's what Zach will have at his disposal tomorrow:
RB: Ty Johnson, Austin Walter, La'Mical Perine
WR: Jamison Crowder, Keelan Cole, Braxton Berrios, Denzel Mims, Jeff Smith, Vyncint Smith
TE: Ryan Griffin (maybe), Kenny Yeboah
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Wasn’tthis the same situation last season? How does this keep happening?
Better players work harder, get more reps, take more hits. I don't know if anyone has done the math but it would be my guess that there's a correlation between how much players earn and how frequently they get injured.
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Here's what Zach will have at his disposal tomorrow:
RB: Ty Johnson, Austin Walter, La'Mical Perine
WR: Jamison Crowder, Keelan Cole, Braxton Berrios, Denzel Mims, Jeff Smith, Vyncint Smith
TE: Ryan Griffin (maybe), Kenny Yeboah
One of those wideouts will be locked down by Lattimore.
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One of those wideouts will be locked down by Lattimore.
Can't get your #1 receiver locked down if you don't have a #1 receiver.
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One of those wideouts will be locked down by Lattimore.
Lattimore might just take the week off.
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If the team decided to sit Wilson until Moore and/or Carter come back, I'd support it.
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Lattimore might just take the week off.
I'm wondering if Taysom Hill is going to run 150+ yards on this D tomorrow...
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You guys are vastly underestimating the Berrios effect.
Minimum 2 TDs, 130 yards.
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You're probably right but it's incredible how on the distribution of outcomes this team always seems to find itself on the "fucked in the derriere" end of the spectrum.
Yup, right in the fuckin derriere
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Saints_Cheerleaders_with_Saint_Bernard.jpg/565px-Saints_Cheerleaders_with_Saint_Bernard.jpg)
Sunday: WhoDat? vs. WhatTheFuck?
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I'm positive Joe Namath made a deal with the devil and u til he dies this franchise will do nothing
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I'm positive Joe Namath made a deal with the devil and u til he dies this franchise will do nothing
I'll believe this if Belichick's retirement immediately follows Namath kicking the bucket.
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Cursed thread title, shut it down
:(
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lol
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Nice.
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Nice.
Eliacocca?
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This thread title is awful and you should be ashamed.
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Eliacocca?
Like, I don't even know what you're trying to do here.
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Like, I don't even know what you're trying to do here.
This is the way
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Eliacocca?
ImogeneCoca
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Imogene_Coca_and_King_Donovan_1968.JPG/206px-Imogene_Coca_and_King_Donovan_1968.JPG)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imogene_Coca
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1579500374456643584
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1579500374456643584
Still one of the funniest ends to a game in the history of sports. It's especially funny since he seems to be a great guy off the field (at least to AJ Brown).
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https://twitter.com/e_moore03/status/1581809491930058752
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https://twitter.com/e_moore03/status/1581809491930058752
Wouldn't it be easier to not say 75% of that tweet and just say he's happy we're winning?
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Wouldn't it be easier to not say 75% of that tweet and just say he's happy we're winning?
He wants people to know he's upset without formally saying he's upset.
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Moore had a couple of big catches on that early TD drive against the Steelers but that's really been it.
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He wants people to know he's upset without formally saying he's upset.
Cat's already out of the bag though, anything short of sunshine and roses from him is gonna come across as complaining now.
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Squeaky wheel gets the grease
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sooner or later there's going to be a huge zach wilson / WR breakout game. it's building
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He's underutilized. Without a doubt. But...
He's got to start winning on his routes. I think he might have fallen into the rookie trap of taking things easy during his first offseason, because he just doesn't look as explosive as he did last season. That 4.3 speed was always bullshit because it was a pro day measurement, but he's fast enough to win in the NFL. He's just got to beat his man more consistently.
The last thing he needs to do is bitch about his usage after a win on twitter.
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I thought we targeted Moore on a deep shot, but maybe there was a penalty (or maybe the throw was so far off it was deemed a throwaway).
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Whatever we were doing in the first half in the passing game was a disaster.
We also felt the need to keep targeting whomever Jaire Alexander was covering. I hope LaFluer really evaluates what went wrong and figured out how to spread the ball around. No reason to target Garret Wilson so much when he is not winning and covered by Alexander when we have other weapons in Davis and Moore
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I thought we targeted Moore on a deep shot, but maybe there was a penalty (or maybe the throw was so far off it was deemed a throwaway).
14:11 remaining in the 2nd quarter. The ball lands about 5 yards in front of him.
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He's underutilized. Without a doubt. But...
He's got to start winning on his routes.
Miles Austin?
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Jesus what's with whiny receivers. Just shut the freak up already. The team is winning no one cares you didn't have 15 catches for 200 yards.
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We completed 10 passes on 18 attempts this week. People are going to get squeezed out of the passing game if the volume is that low.
I like Moore a lot, but Garrett Wilson is better. Corey Davis has stepped up and Davis and Wilson have a better rapport than Moore and Wilson. So he's probably WR3 on our pecking order. We also want to get the tight ends involved in the passing game. We also want to get the running backs involved in the passing game.
And yeah, we could try to manufacture reverses and jet sweeps for Moore, but Berrios is more effective in that role.
I would obviously like to see more than 0 targets, but we've attempted 39 passes the last two weeks combined. Moore literally tied for the team lead in targets just one week ago.
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We completed 10 passes for 18 yards this week. People are going to get squeezed out of the passing game if the volume is that low.
I like Moore a lot, but Garrett Wilson is better. Corey Davis has stepped up and Davis and Wilson have a better rapport than Moore and Wilson. So he's probably WR3 on our pecking order. We also want to get the tight ends involved in the passing game. We also want to get the running backs involved in the passing game.
And yeah, we could try to manufacture reverses and jet sweeps for Moore, but Berrios is more effective in that role.
I would obviously like to see more than 0 targets, but we've attempted 39 passes the last two weeks combined. Moore literally tied for the team lead in targets just one week ago.
Attempts?
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Attempts?
Yes, that.
When you throw 18 times, and you have 3 receivers, 2 tight ends and 2 running backs you want to get involved, not even including Berrios, someone isn't getting the ball.
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And yeah, we could try to manufacture reverses and jet sweeps for Moore, but Berrios is more effective in that role.
wat
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wat
We could try to manufacture reverses and jet sweeps for Moore, but Berrios is more effective in that role.
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We could try to manufacture reverses and jet sweeps for Moore, but Berrios is more effective in that role.
false
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false
According to what, Berrios is lethal on those sweeps.
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According to what, Berrios is lethal on those sweeps.
So is Moore, and he's faster.
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So is Moore, and he's faster.
Not a gym rat though. Berrios is deceptively fast.
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he's faster.
nah
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and he's faster.
false
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hey..i love Berrios. But Moore needs to get involved more, and he's the better receiver.
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false
You been reading Walder's toilet journal again?
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The MBGreen formula
1. Make incorrect shitpost
2. Get proven wrong
3. Double down on shitpost
4. Get proven wrong again
5. Change argument and deflect
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Of all the adjustments I need to see from Mike LaFleur, taking away sweeps/reverses from a player who just made house calls with them in back-to-back weeks to placate a twitter whiner is not among them.
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Of all the adjustments I need to see from Mike LaFleur, taking away sweeps/reverses from a player who just made house calls with them in back-to-back weeks to placate a twitter whiner is not among them.
Seems like it was our more consistent way of scoring last season as well.
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Of all the adjustments I need to see from Mike LaFleur, taking away sweeps/reverses from a player who just made house calls with them in back-to-back weeks to placate a twitter whiner is not among them.
Agreed. Berrios does great in that role and has been great in that role this season. And Berrios gets virtually no targets otherwise after being our most consistent WR last season. He has just as much of a reason to gripe as Moore.
I also don't think what Moore said is that bad. I'm sure he's frustrated by not getting the ball. Him acknowledging that isn't that big of a deal. I would prefer him not say anything at all, but unless he starts loafing on the field or causing locker room issues, it's a non-issue for me.
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Of all the adjustments I need to see from Mike LaFleur, taking away sweeps/reverses from a player who just made house calls with them in back-to-back weeks to placate a twitter whiner is not among them.
If LaFleur can manufacture touches for Berrios, why can't he do the same for Moore?
As jet sweep or screen to Moore is better than having Wilson roll to his left and heave it down field in his direction when he's covered.
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If we want to get defenders out of the box, we've got to start hitting play action deep and throwing screens.
We threw a tight end screen yesterday that went for a nice chunk of yards. Why aren't we getting the ball into the hands of one of our potential playmakers?
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The MBGreen formula
1. Make incorrect shitpost
2. Get proven wrong
3. Double down on shitpost
4. Get proven wrong again
5. Change argument and deflect
Show me where i was incorrect. Make sure you start with Moore and Berrios' 40 times, so i can imagine you taking that first bite into that turd sandwich.
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tell us more about MLF's excellent playcalling, Mack.....since you're so into shitposting.
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The Mack formula:
1. Get bad haircut
2. post stupid takes on JO
3. forgets to put a hat on
4. gets randomly punched in the face in public.
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Show me where i was incorrect. Make sure you start with Moore and Berrios' 40 times, so i can imagine you taking that first bite into that turd sandwich.
Next gen stats have Berrios faster than Moore.
Moore ran at a pro day. Those numbers are always inflated, especially at Ole Miss. Plus, 40 numbers in shorts that are several years old arent that relevant anymore.
Berrios is probably slightly faster based on what they have shown in the NFL. Stats that track that back that up.
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Next gen stats have Berrios faster than Moore.
link?
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https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1582088177447075840?s=20&t=i40HR43pj245v-bcdRPDqg (https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1582088177447075840?s=20&t=i40HR43pj245v-bcdRPDqg)
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link?
I looked mine up on a site that is paywalled so I don't really have a link.
But Berrios always puts up high speed numbers.
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1579483528873775104?s=20&t=H3y1AGdteFRvWdeZg02KKQ
Search Berrios mph on Twitter and you will get a lot of results for some of his fastest runs. Have not seen an example for Moore on a brief search.
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MLF needs to get his head out of his derriere and incorporate Moore into the offense. There is zero excuses to not have a WR we drafted in the 2nd be in a position to catch a freaking ball.
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If LaFleur can manufacture touches for Berrios, why can't he do the same for Moore?
As jet sweep or screen to Moore is better than having Wilson roll to his left and heave it down field in his direction when he's covered.
Yeah, no argument here, we should be leaning on running plays - including sweeps but especially power running - much more than we have. Some of those plays should involve Moore. But Berrios has carried the ball five times for three first downs and two touchdowns this season. He's taking his infrequent opportunities and cashing them in.
Moore, on the other hand, was on the field for >90% of plays in the first four weeks but consistently had difficulty working against man coverage and making the most of his targets. So his play counts have dropped to 66% and 58% in the last two weeks, as can be expected. It's not a conspiracy to keep him off the field, he just needs to make more of his opportunities.
Complaining about it and acting bewildered is a bitch move.
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How about our boy genius OC just starts learning how to incorporate all of his weapons into the gameplan?
Though I'm not sure I ever remember a time in my fandom of this team where we could argue about getting more touches for our 3rd and 4th string WRs--not even counting the backs and TEs into the equation.
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How about our boy genius OC just starts learning how to incorporate all of his weapons into the gameplan?
Though I'm not sure I ever remember a time in my fandom of this team where we could argue about getting more touches for our 3rd and 4th string WRs--not even counting the backs and TEs into the equation.
Last week, people complained about not using the tight ends enough in the passing game. Now it's Moore. Next week, it will be someone else. When you throw it 20 times a game, someone isn't getting the ball. When we threw it 40 times a game, people complained, too.
We have a lot of weapons. It's a good problem to have. It's on LaFleur to make the offense productive and to keep everyone happy. This has been one of the more productive offenses we've had in a while, despite generally bad QB play.
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Moore not getting the targets is frustrating but our QB play really isn't there until the second half.
I'm all for more screens if we can make it work. Moore was a second round pick who showed a lot of explosiveness last season so not finding ways to get him the ball is pretty frustrating.
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It's not a conspiracy to keep him off the field, he just needs to make more of his opportunities.
QFMFT
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Moore did have a target yesterday *on the play that was called back for a 'chop-block'
https://twitter.com/i/status/1582180927471751168
Seems silly to have him continuing to be the first read on these go routes. It's definitely the coverage that they wanted, and if Moore kept running I think the throw looks on target, but Moore is never coming down with the ball. Only chance that is ever completed is if Zach throws it back shoulder, but with that tight coverage even that isn't a high percentage option.
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Moore did have a target yesterday *on the play that was called back for a 'chop-block'
https://twitter.com/i/status/1582180927471751168
Seems silly to have him continuing to be the first read on these go routes. It's definitely the coverage that they wanted, and if Moore kept running I think the throw looks on target, but Moore is never coming down with the ball. Only chance that is ever completed is if Zach throws it back shoulder, but with that tight coverage even that isn't a high percentage option.
See if you're not even close to beating your man in these one-on-one situations - week in, week out - I don't know how you can complain the ball isn't coming your way more often. You're routinely covered, dude.
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Get bad haircut
lmaoooooooooo
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Damn what did I step into
We're a decent team now guys I thought thus in fighting was only when we sucked and we sucked so long maybe we all forgot why we're here in the first place
Spread the love #GreenHornet #Abyzmul #624
#ToughestSOB #CreedVocalist #TennisIsForToughGuys
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Damn what did I step into
We're a decent team now guys I thought thus in fighting was only when we sucked and we sucked so long maybe we all forgot why we're here in the first place
Spread the love #GreenHornet #Abyzmul #624
#ToughestSOB #CreedVocalist #TennisIsForToughGuys
Smug Derek Smalls always brings out my finer qualities.
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Personal day for Elijah Moore from practice (not from Twitter).
I'm not really worried, but it's definitely worth monitoring.
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(https://i.imgur.com/6H9aRgK.png)
God: Get open.
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Has he tried DMing the Almighty?
This guy is starting to feel like a complete drama queen. I get you're pissed at the lack of targets, and that's OK, but making it into a social media production can freak all the way off.
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I get you're pissed at the lack of targets
Davis only has 4 more targets than him. We have pretty even distribution. He's just a complete whiner and needs to realize he is a WR3 right now.
I do think that LaFleur could do more to get him involved though.
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Davis only has 4 more targets than him. We have pretty even distribution. He's just a complete whiner and needs to realize he is a WR3 right now.
I do think that LaFleur could do more to get him involved though.
Agreed. We can do more to get him involved, but we have a lot of mouths to feed on offense, and our passing volume is relatively low if things go according to plan.
The Twitter stuff doesn't really bother me. It could lead to nothing. It could lead to something. But right now, it's mostly nothing.
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Why does he have to talk to god on Twitter?
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Why does he have to talk to god on Twitter?
He doesn't have to, and it brings about more potential issues, but we also don't have to listen to him.
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Has he tried DMing the Almighty?
"Back of the line, helpless children around the world being tortured and cancer babies and cancer folks in general (totally not My fault probably, and if it is I have an amazing plan that would blow your mind trust me...) , I need to direct the paths of a excrement-TON of professional millionaire athletes. So many paths to personally direct, I'm omni-dizzy! I've already created them with incredible genes and physical gifts, unlike all the wonky legs and cloudy-derriere eyes and flipper hands I gave so many of you losers lulz, plus I also direct what sports teams they end up on (just like when I specifically direct the horrific moment I need your 5-year-old as an angel up here to play a sweet harp for Me). "
Davis only has 4 more targets than him. We have pretty even distribution. He's just a complete whiner and needs to realize he is a WR3 right now.
I do think that LaFleur could do more to get him involved though.
Agreed. The run game and Breece are running this offense and leading to W's right now, so our abundance of WR talent are complimentary pieces.
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The obvious situation where two things can be true;
1. They're winning kid, STFU.
2. LaFleur has done an awful job utilizing his skillset.
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If he's out this week because he's sad, I'm done with the guy.
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If he's out this week because he's sad, I'm done with the guy.
Yeah, that would be totally pathetic. I know receivers by design are selfish, but that's ridiculous.
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Denzel Mims active, 4 catches on 7 targets for 85 yards and a TD.
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I agree, but I'm not going to criticize Moore for something that hasn't happened yet (and likely won't).
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The obvious situation where two things can be true;
1. They're winning kid, STFU.
2. LaFleur has done an awful job utilizing his skillset.
This is my thinking too.
But replace "awful" with "still getting his bearings and doing his best, although not yet optimal...same dude who had Cager in the scripted week one plan, yikes".
I'm not worried. Breece is the "hot hand", like Moore was the "hot hand" for a few weeks last season. Everyone's gonna eventually eat.
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It's okay for Moore to be frustrated but airing it out in public is a really bad look.
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We're about to face three strong pass defenses in a row leading into our bye so an Elijah Moore breakout game probably isn't forthcoming.
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It's okay for Moore to be frustrated but airing it out in public is a really bad look.
Has he really aired much out in public? He said one thing about it, stressing that he was happy as long as they were winning. That definitely counts as airing it out in public, but that's been it so far. Everything else is speculation based on cryptic tweets.
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Has he really aired much out in public? He said one thing about it, stressing that he was happy as long as they were winning. That definitely counts as airing it out in public, but that's been it so far. Everything else is speculation based on cryptic tweets.
Edit: yes he has.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1583206556052918272
Trying to continue our 2nd-round WR curse.
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What a bitch.
Hasn't gotten open all season, quit on a route that directly led to an interception, and then saw his snaps drop the subsequent weeks. Whines about it and requests a trade.
Ship him, what a weak-willed queynte.
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Trade him for DJ Moore
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So 4 days ago it’s “all I ever wanted” to be winning games. And now he is putting in a public trade request? I mean Jesus what in the hell is going on in that young man’s head?
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This is ridiculous. He's six games into his second season and the team is 4-2. Get a grip.
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God told him that he should go to a team where he'll get 6 catches for 100 yards but be 4-13.
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This is ridiculous. He's six games into his second season and the team is 4-2. Get a grip.
Which is what I imagine Saleh, LaFleur, Austin and Douglas will be telling him, if they haven’t already.
Since Douglas always answers the phone, I won’t say it’s an impossibility he gets moved, but it would have to fetch us a pretty hefty return. I would guess he wouldn’t take less than a 1st for Moore, and I can’t see anyone paying us that.
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Rosenblatt just said he wouldn't expect Moore to play this week. AYFKM?
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Trade him to the Broncos so he and DangerRuss can tag team Jesus.
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“If I say what I really wanna say… I’ll be the selfish guy…we winning. Grateful! Huge blessing! All I ever wanted. Bittersweet for me, but I’ll be solid. So I’ll just stay quiet.” -Elijah Moore, 2 days ago
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Without knowing what's been said behind closed doors this seems like an extreme overreaction.
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Mims SZN
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If we let Moore run that reverse instead of Berrios does he still request a trade?
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Something that's being overshadowed is that, irrespective of his opportunities, Moore has not played particularly well this season.
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If we let Moore run that reverse instead of Berrios does he still request a trade?
First question… does Moore score? I assume so, but it’s not a lock. Berrios made the right cut at the right time. Who knows if the defense reacts differently if its Moore in motion instead of Berrios at the snap.
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First question… does Moore score? I assume so, but it’s not a lock. Berrios made the right cut at the right time. Who knows if the defense reacts differently if its Moore in motion instead of Berrios at the snap.
Did...did you think that wasn't a rhetorical question?
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SOJ
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Denzel Mims requesting a trade made sense. He knew he had no path to playing time.
Moore making a trade request makes zero sense. Didn't want to overreact until there was a reason to overreact, but I think we're there now. Glad I didn't buy a jersey.
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The FO’s position is basically GFY. I’m curious if they try to talk him down.
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Moore's numbers with Wilson have been atrocious. They seem to like each other, but Moore's targets, production and effectiveness have all dropped with Wilson.
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Moore had his best game of the season against Pittsburgh in Wilson's first game back and we've barely thrown the ball the last two weeks.
Moore was also responsible for Wilson's first interception and failed to get his feet down in bounds on a perfectly thrown pass from Wilson against the Dolphins.
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Well, this isn't ideal. I really like Moore as a player, and I don't want him traded.
But if it has to be...go fleece someone for a 1st rounder, Joe.
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I really can't get over what a bitch move this is by Moore.
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Well, this isn't ideal. I really like Moore as a player, and I don't want him traded.
But if it has to be...go fleece someone for a 1st rounder, Joe.
I'd rather we trade him for a player. With him and Mims both pouting we look a man short there.
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Moore's derriere better be on the field on Sunday.
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Moore's derriere better be on the field on Sunday.
Eh. He's not really helping us. If they want to sit him this week while he figures out what's going on, or to discipline him, that's fine.
Mims can play his role, and most of the manufactured touches were going to Berrios anyway.
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feels like a guy struggling with something unrelated and sabotaging himself at work
probably needs a hug
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freak this guy.
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Maybe AJ Brown should talk Moore off the ledge...he owes him one
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I realize it's natural to be pissed at him but he's a kid and he's being badly advised. I hope someone talks him off this particular ledge, he hasn't been in the league long enough to have a sensible perspective.
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feels like a guy struggling with something unrelated and sabotaging himself at work
probably needs a hug
i think you're right, because everything makes zero sense here. but i still can't help but feel some resentment towards him for the completely selfish drama he is creating here.
he's 6 games into his second year, zach's been back for only 3 games. last game, nobody got fed the ball. we had 10 completions. why the big fvcking deal? also, we're winning.
he has talent. he showed flashes last season. but it's not like he lit the league up on fire and now we're hounding him out. also, when involved his play this year hasn't been very spectacular either. also, we're winning.
would he be happy if he had 10 targets / game but we lost every single one? we're winning and he still requested a trade, so i think so
does he realize we're winning?
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I realize it's natural to be pissed at him but he's a kid and he's being badly advised. I hope someone talks him off this particular ledge, he hasn't been in the league long enough to have a sensible perspective.
Yep. We should be mad at him short term. But I doubt the Jets trade him and I think it will blow over.
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He's represented by the same agent as AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, and Deebo Samuel.
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Shut up and run routes
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221020/420d985a84014f5a795a5359ff9ada6d.jpg)
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so the trade request came in. saleh gave him a personal day off, and he spent it with family.
i think that move shows that the FO/coaching staff understands he's frustrated at the lack of targets, and are willing to work with him about it. i don't see it as a 'get away from the team' day off. i think they just wanted him to have some time to collect his thoughts and cool down.
i'd be surprised if the FO sat him this weekend. if he's not on the field, it would have to be due to his own refusal. which would suck. i guess we'll see
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so the trade request came in. saleh gave him a personal day off, and he spent it with family.
i think that move shows that the FO/coaching staff understands he's frustrated at the lack of targets, and are willing to work with him about it. i don't see it as a 'get away from the team' day off. i think they just wanted him to have some time to collect his thoughts and cool down.
i'd be surprised if the FO sat him this weekend. if he's not on the field, it would have to be due to his own refusal. which would suck. i guess we'll see
This has always seemed like a player-friendly staff, so I don't know how much discipline they would want to levy on Moore for this, nor do I think a trade request by itself is enough for a punishment. It sounds like they don't like how he practiced one day amid his unhappiness. He might need a weekend to cool down.
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According to Hughes, the trade request came after he was given the personal day to spend with his family.
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Nobody stokes a fire like Dick Cimini
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1583245279070781440?t=PWCb_sUsT0Wz31gtRZ23MQ&s=19
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i think you're right, because everything makes zero sense here. but i still can't help but feel some resentment towards him for the completely selfish drama he is creating here.
he's 6 games into his second year, zach's been back for only 3 games. last game, nobody got fed the ball. we had 10 completions. why the big fvcking deal? also, we're winning.
he has talent. he showed flashes last season. but it's not like he lit the league up on fire and now we're hounding him out. also, when involved his play this year hasn't been very spectacular either. also, we're winning.
would he be happy if he had 10 targets / game but we lost every single one? we're winning and he still requested a trade, so i think so
does he realize we're winning?
He knew the reaction everyone would have to him behaving like this. He basically said as much in his first tweet. He did it anyway, and has kept escalating. Doing things to yourself that you are fully aware are self destructive is a bad sign.
big test for mr salad as a coach here
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All these reasonable reactions are really killing my anger boner, fellas.
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According to Hughes, the trade request came after he was given the personal day to spend with his family.
There are two different ways the "talk with your family" can go. Either you have family that holds you acccountable and helps convince you to keep your head down and work. Or you have family that helps convince you that your excrement doesn't stink and if the Jets don't have a role for you, someone else will.
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(https://i.imgur.com/gmn4W0w.jpg)
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freak this guy.
This
Trade him to Carolina for some of those defensive pieces
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This
Trade him to Carolina for some of those defensive pieces
Bring me Burns or Chinn
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First off two things are simultaneously true
Why he deserves to be mad
LaFleur playcalling is mediocre at best. His constant 9 route and go route outside the numbers usage of a short WR do not utilize Moore to the best of his abilities. The cute long developing pass and play actions we routinelyuse in the 1st qtr before committing to the run game and developing a quick rhythm pass game to build off of ......lack of middle field attack . Bunches , drags, slants. Quick ins
Wilson has had some very shitty drops so seeing him get targeted the most is an ego thing for a 22 yr old wr
Why he needs to calm down
We've been playing good CBs and Zach is learning to not try to win every snap with his arm.
This offense goes through Hall and Carter . Not the WRs. They're a luxury .
We're winning. You were happy 4-12 when you were required to be force-fed due to lack of talent .
Davis and Conklin only have 2 or 3 more targets than him .
Get more separation
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It's such a weak look from Moore to be creating this much drama during a winning streak when he's seeing plenty of the field. Hard to imagine him being a good team presence when there's even more adversity - and the attitude lines up with how it seems he takes plays off when he's not going to be the primary read.
Best case scenario he sleeps on it, the coaching staff reexamines how he's being used, and they both work to make him effective in the offense. But I would understand if the FO looks at the talent/drama ratio and bench him until they can move him for assets. Plenty of teams looking for talent at WR throughout the league, and I think Mims comes out fighting if he's given a chance for some play time.
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Keep it in the locker room - you're not T.O. Broncos for all of their offensive woes have only given up 6 TDs. Suit up and button it up Elijah
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Is there a precedent for a player requesting a trade 6 games into his second season?
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I'm not suggesting the Jets should trade the guy.
But what's a realistic fair price for a very good 2nd round pick wideout on the 2nd year of his rookie contract?
A floor of a first and a 3rd, with a ceiling of two firsts? (assuming it's a contender, who will likely have late first ala Green Bay)
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They aren't trading him. His value has never been lower, and Moore has no leverage. Unless Moore is such a bad teammate you can't bring him into the building, there's no reason for the Jets to trade him now. I'm sure there is a price where they would trade him (either a 1st or a 2nd plus more), but they aren't getting it now.
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They aren't trading him. His value has never been lower, and Moore has no leverage. Unless Moore is such a bad teammate you can't bring him into the building, there's no reason for the Jets to trade him now. I'm sure there is a price where they would trade him (either a 1st or a 2nd plus more), but they aren't getting it now.
This as well
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I'm not suggesting the Jets should trade the guy.
But what's a realistic fair price for a very good 2nd round pick wideout on the 2nd year of his rookie contract?
A floor of a first and a 3rd, with a ceiling of two firsts? (assuming it's a contender, who will likely have late first ala Green Bay)
We're nit gonna get anything for him. He hasn't proven what an AJ brown has.
We'd get a 3rd . 2nd if we're lucky
Hes worth a 1st but hes got 0 leverage and teams have no reason to do anything but underpay given the current scenario
I dont Like knowing he shares teams with every major WR who demanded a trade lately lol
But whatever we own his rights. He can eat several dicks and go play to actually have trade value
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I'm not suggesting the Jets should trade the guy.
But what's a realistic fair price for a very good 2nd round pick wideout on the 2nd year of his rookie contract?
A floor of a first and a 3rd, with a ceiling of two firsts? (assuming it's a contender, who will likely have late first ala Green Bay)
Are you nuts?
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Are you nuts?
You're right, the floor is at least 2 firsts.
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Such a bad look when the team is actually winning. Agreed with the “freak this guy” statements… I thought he was supposed to be a high character guy?
I can understand his frustration with his usage… but you’re a 2nd round pick who hasn’t even played a full seasons worth of games.
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You're right, the floor is at least 2 firsts.
McCaffrey didn’t even get a 1st rounder but this guy’s floor is a 1st and a 3rd.
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All these reasonable reactions are really killing my anger boner, fellas.
the more and more i think about this the more and more i lean towards the 'anger' side of things
why do any of this when the team is winning. it's a completely selfish and self-centered thing to do. to try and make this all about yourself...he is starving for the fvcking attention. desert thirsty
how do you build with a guy like that
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https://twitter.com/blakenyjets/status/1583240595128356866 (https://twitter.com/blakenyjets/status/1583240595128356866)
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Trade him to the Bears for a 2 and see how he likes it there.
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We're nit gonna get anything for him. He hasn't proven what an AJ brown has.
We'd get a 3rd . 2nd if we're lucky
Hes worth a 1st but hes got 0 leverage and teams have no reason to do anything but underpay given the current scenario
I dont Like knowing he shares teams with every major WR who demanded a trade lately lol
But whatever we own his rights. He can eat several dicks and go play to actually have trade value
This is crazy
Look at the performance of your average 2nd round pick. To suggest that Moore with his value where it currently is, is worth less than the 2nd we drafted him for is nuts. The Jets wideouts aren't productive partly because of MLF and largely because of Zach Wilson.
We don't know if Moore is an all pro guy or just a good-very good wideout. But what we do know is he offers less risk and more upside than the vast majority of 2nd round picks well. With over 2.5 years left on his rookie deal he's 100% worth more runs this initial 2nd rounder.
Getting 2 1sts for him is unlikely and I'll admit is crazy talk. But a 1st and 3rd does not seem unfathomable to me. Moore is essentially a homerun slam 2nd round pick
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This is crazy
Look at the performance of your average 2nd round pick. To suggest that Moore with his value where it currently is, is worth less than the 2nd we drafted him for is nuts. The Jets wideouts aren't productive partly because of MLF and largely because of Zach Wilson.
We don't know if Moore is an all pro guy or just a good-very good wideout. But what we do know is he offers less risk and more upside than the vast majority of 2nd round picks well. With over 2.5 years left on his rookie deal he's 100% worth more runs this initial 2nd rounder.
Getting 2 1sts for him is unlikely and I'll admit is crazy talk. But a 1st and 3rd does not seem unfathomable to me. Moore is essentially a homerun slam 2nd round pick
We think Moore is a home run second round pick, because he showed so much promise last year.
His production this year doesn’t suggest he is that guy. Why would a team pay premium assets for a diva WR who isn’t happy on a winning team after a few weeks of low target volume?
The only reason I can see would be if Douglas leverages the point that he is a cheap contract for 2.5 years. But his production doesn’t warrant a bidding war for a now perceived (if not actually proven) diva. Douglas may be a master, but I’d be shocked if he pulled off a 1.
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Set a stupidly high asking price and tell him too bad nobody wants to pay it, now get your derriere back out there through 2024.
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Set a stupidly high asking price and tell him too bad nobody wants to pay it, now get your derriere back out there through 2024.
This is what I expect Douglas to do.
And if someone wants to give us the Jamal Adams package, then we will give him what he wants. If we are lucky it ends up somewhere that’s headed for purgatory for the rest of his rookie deal, so he can really identify what it means to suck
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I don’t expect Douglas to even set a price. Moore isn’t going anywhere.
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Moore apparently threw a tantrum before practice yesterday. That's why he was given the personal day. Then the trade request came.
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Moore apparently threw a tantrum before practice yesterday. That's why he was given the personal day. Then the trade request came.
Jesus Christ.
This guy was supposed to be a high character leader.
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He's got to have some other excrement going on that is bleeding over here. Even a shitty, manipulative agent wouldn't account for this.
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He's got to have some other excrement going on that is bleeding over here. Even a shitty, manipulative agent wouldn't account for this.
I doubt it's his agent....because he represents Joe Douglas too.
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I doubt it's his agent....because he represents Joe Douglas too.
Agency, not agent but still, it's hard to believe that any agent would advise his client to act this way.
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You can never trust a Jesus freak.
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I still can't believe the 180 this guy took in less than a year.
Being a whiny excrement is one thing, but giving up on routes leading to turnovers is where i draw the line. Because now you're freaking with the development and confidence of our young QB.
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Until I'm proven otherwise I'm expecting him to get over himself and return to the fold.
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Becton tweeted "They're Two sides to every story" and then deleted it
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I need to see an image of Moore peeing on our 4-2 record
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Moore's back at the team facility.
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Until I'm proven otherwise I'm expecting him to get over himself and return to the fold.
This is basically where I'm at.
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Ftr, I do blame LaFleur and, by extension, Saleh for not getting Moore more involved in the offense. It's wrong for Moore to request a trade six games into his second season but, in my view, it's ultimately on LaFleur and Saleh to fix this.
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Already announced that Moore won't play on Sunday.
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Ftr, I do blame LaFleur and, by extension, Saleh for not getting Moore more involved in the offense. It's wrong for Moore to request a trade six games into his second season but, in my view, it's ultimately on LaFleur and Saleh to fix this.
If you're freaking winning, nothing else matters? Why should the coaching staff adjust the effective game plan? To pad his stats? A win is a win is a win.
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I can't stand Lafleur, but Moore is in the wrong here.
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Already announced that Moore won't play on Sunday.
(https://i.imgur.com/kFdTtdi.png)
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Hope Mims shows out this weekend but it should be a run-heavy game plan regardless.
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https://twitter.com/peter_bukowski/status/1583454322930483200?s=46&t=23rpera5-A7V2wkHIXlZQw
Got into a Twitter fight with these assholes
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https://twitter.com/peter_bukowski/status/1583454322930483200?s=46&t=23rpera5-A7V2wkHIXlZQw
Got into a Twitter fight with these assholes
lmao what a excrement take. Don't waste your energy.
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lmao what a excrement take. Don't waste your energy.
This
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lmao what a excrement take. Don't waste your energy.
The guy actually compared Moore's situation to Mims' and I started to lose it.
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https://twitter.com/iamsaucegardner/status/1583479239625449472?s=46&t=QuB8iLbR1ROZArSjGGsmLA
I'm ordering a Sauce jersey
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https://twitter.com/iamsaucegardner/status/1583479239625449472?s=46&t=QuB8iLbR1ROZArSjGGsmLA
I'm ordering a Sauce jersey
is this called a "sub tweet"
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is this called a "sub tweet"
Let he who is without cringe cast the first subtweet
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https://twitter.com/iamsaucegardner/status/1583479239625449472?s=46&t=QuB8iLbR1ROZArSjGGsmLA
I'm ordering a Sauce jersey
Too Jesusy, selling my Sauce jersey.
/s
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This kind of made me laugh
https://twitter.com/jetsbyjack/status/1583230789109415936?t=yLHBVkjDk1N42qp1H9nzxg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/jetsbyjack/status/1583230789109415936?t=yLHBVkjDk1N42qp1H9nzxg&s=19)
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Too Jesusy, selling my Sauce jersey.
/s
I know you're joking but I have a soft spot for religious people who use scripture to throw other religious people's hypocrisy back in their face.
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A.J. Brown also showed his derriere by publicly commenting on a situation that has nothing to do with him. I'm sure the bloom is going to come off that rose in Philadelphia sooner rather than later...
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https://twitter.com/upandadamsshow/status/1583493553715412992?s=46&t=Cb3wPHfkbw6OCObHUeHP4g
Now Brandon Marshall is mouthing off at Zach for not supporting Elijah. AYFKM?
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https://twitter.com/upandadamsshow/status/1583493553715412992?s=46&t=Cb3wPHfkbw6OCObHUeHP4g
Now Brandon Marshall is mouthing off at Zach for not supporting Elijah. AYFKM?
Add "Doesn't Perfectly Navigate Press Conferences" to the list of weaknesses I don't need to see Zach fix in his second season.
Keep hitting those backs in the hands Z-Dub, we're all good.
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We're trying to win and here these assholes are trying to create as much distraction as possible.
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https://twitter.com/upandadamsshow/status/1583493553715412992?s=46&t=Cb3wPHfkbw6OCObHUeHP4g
Now Brandon Marshall is mouthing off at Zach for not supporting Elijah. AYFKM?
someone should increase Marshall's lithium dose and tell him to sit the freak down.
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This really is outrageous. The best thing we can do is continue winning.
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This really is outrageous. The best thing we can do is continue winning.
Agree, and it's without precedent. Wanting a trade 16 or 17 games into your career as a 2nd-rounder because you don't get enough targets in your team's wins? In only week freakin' 6? When you have nothing on your resume but a pretend Pepsi WWF belt that Breece Hall already owns TWO of in less than half the time?
He literally has less leverage and complaint than Denzel Mims, it's truly bizarre.
The immaturity and evident lack of guidance in his inner circle is very sad. He's punching himself in the face and hoping Joe Douglas feels it.
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I get the idea that players have a short time to make money. But asking for a trade 6 games into year 2 does not help you make money, and while Moore had a good rookie year, he has less than 800 rec yds in his career. Just terrible advice from people around him.
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I get the idea that players have a short time to make money. But asking for a trade 6 games into year 2 does not help you make money, and while Moore had a good rookie year, he has less than 800 rec yds in his career. Just terrible advice from people around him.
Exactly, and that's what so strange. This does nothing to help Moore and only makes him look like an immature, selfish crybaby.
He has ZERO leverage.
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I've lost all respect for Brandon Marshall (didn't have much to begin with). It's clear he didn't listen to Zach's press conference yesterday.
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A.J. Brown deleted his tweets
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At least Jamal Adams proved he was a star before he asked for a trade.
At least Denzel Mims paid his dues and realized he was buried on the depth chart before asking for a trade.
Moore's request is so ridiculous
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Moore probably thought he'd be a star by this point this season, and that star turn has not happened. His numbers have gone the other way. Totally get him being frustrated. He should be.
But a trade request is a nuclear option when you have this much time left on your contract.
And is anyone looking at this Broncos game thinking our chances to win decreased noticeably without him? Not me. So he's not good enough or proven enough to do this.
They aren't trading him so they will have to make it work. He is 22, so hopefully this is immaturity.
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And is anyone looking at this Broncos game thinking our chances to win decreased noticeably without him? Not me. So he's not good enough or proven enough to do this.
NGL, I'm kinda excited to see if Mims can have a prove it performance and make the coaches have to start including him.
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Mims activated . His time to feast is now
Been wanting us to use him. Now they get to let Moore cool off at home and Mims can go off.
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Mims activated . His time to feast is now
Been wanting us to use him. Now they get to let Moore cool off at home and Mims can go off.
Stunt on these hoes
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I expect to see much more of Jeff Smith on Sunday than Mims.
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The timing of this could be perfect...
1) if Mims goes off, they escalate his trade value. Or we potentially see reason to trade Moore and lets Mims slide into the active roster.
2) if Mims doesn't go off, and Jets win (still think we will) at least Moore had time to sit on the sidelines and think about how much of the queynte he was being, realizing we don't need him to win
3) if Jets lose and Mims sucks, this potentially backfires - which basically means nothing changes.
I'm guessing it's gonna be closer to option #2.
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I expect to see much more of Jeff Smith on Sunday than Mims.
I think Mims is ahead of the depth chart over Smith at wide receiver, but we don't need a 5th wide receiver, so Smith's special teams value is more important.
I think Berrios gets the biggest bump. Mims is fun to talk about, but he and Smith probably play 5-15 offensive snaps each.
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It's also worth noting that if Jets stick to the run game like they had the last three games, Mims is a fantastic blocker and could help on the perimeter for those outside runs.
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At least Jamal Adams proved he was a star before he asked for a trade.
At least Denzel Mims paid his dues and realized he was buried on the depth chart before asking for a trade.
Moore's request is so ridiculous
This, this , this.
Again, this is without precedent. We've seen players/ stars requesting and/or demanding trades before, but these have been accomplished players wanting more money/contract extensions, with stats and tenure and value along with at least a bit of leverage (or in Denzel's case, a 3rd year player not being used or getting active snaps).
Never have I witnessed a player with 16 games of experience on a 2nd round rookie contract (you ain't getting more money, dummy) "demand" a trade on a winning team in week 6 of his second year as a so-called professional. I've been a fan of the kid, as we all have, and he's shown explosive talent....but this is straight up selfish, retarded, self-sabotaging behavior. Poor baby must be surrounded by short-sighted dipshits, it's a shame. We all hope he can come to some of his senses and jump back on board of this winning team and culture.
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Glad to see we're still trying to convince ourselves that Moore is an immature tw*t for his request. I though that was fairly obvious.
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Mims activated . His time to feast is now
Been wanting us to use him. Now they get to let Moore cool off at home and Mims can go off.
Stunt on these hoes
Elijah Moore's reputation died so Mims could be resurrected
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(https://i.imgur.com/kFdTtdi.png)
This makes a ton of sense.
In thinking about this entire situation, it’s utterly ridiculous and without knowing the entire history of the league, feels quite unprecedented. Which suggests to me that something is so damn off the wall with Moore right now, that something isn’t right. It would not shock me in the slightest to find out he is suffering from some sort of mental health crisis and is self-sabotaging himself as a result of it.
That said it doesn’t matter, he is acting like a complete dumbfuck and frankly I expect Joe Douglas will not get an offer he is willing to accept and Moore is about to be inactive till the offseason when we sell him for pennies on the dollar.
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Lowest target rate among WR in 2022
Elijah Moore has been targeted on 13% of his routes run this season. That ranks 78th out of 81 qualified receivers this season. With Zach Wilson at quarterback, he's been targeted even less (11% of his routes).
RECEIVER TARGET RATE
Parris Campbell, IND 11.3%
DeAndre Carter, LAC 12.2%
Allen Robinson, LAR 12.5%
Gabe Davis, BUF 12.9%
Elijah Moore, NYJ 13.0%<<
>>10.9% with Zach Wilson
-- ESPN Stats & Information
Aka with Zach Wilson he's the least targeted receiver in the NFL, among whoever the freak they dictated qualified
(though admittedly the Zach Wilson stat line obviously has an unfairly small sample size)
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Reminder that Cimini isn't just reporting this, he has played a huge role in stirring the pot. He's the one who tweeted out after we had a huge win against the Packers how weird it was that Moore didn't get any targets.
Let's not let that whiny, negative, excrement stirring freak off the hook.
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Lowest target rate among WR in 2022
Elijah Moore has been targeted on 13% of his routes run this season. That ranks 78th out of 81 qualified receivers this season. With Zach Wilson at quarterback, he's been targeted even less (11% of his routes).
RECEIVER TARGET RATE
Parris Campbell, IND 11.3%
DeAndre Carter, LAC 12.2%
Allen Robinson, LAR 12.5%
Gabe Davis, BUF 12.9%
Elijah Moore, NYJ 13.0%<<
>>10.9% with Zach Wilson
-- ESPN Stats & Information
Aka with Zach Wilson he's the least targeted receiver in the NFL, among whoever the freak they dictated qualified
(though admittedly the Zach Wilson stat line obviously has an unfairly small sample size)
You don’t see Allen Robinson, who has a significantly better resume than Moore, bitching about targets.
Honestly, freak whatever route tree Moore is being forced to run. If he was as dedicated to the game and prolific as he thinks he is, he would be producing and forced targets. Antonio Brown could play any position at his height, same with Steve Smith. If he wants to draw these comparisons, play hard every play and you’ll get the ball. Bottom line, he’s not the most talented WR on the roster. Corey Davis was a top 10 pick and has never bitched about targets. This seems so laughable as a controversy that it doesn’t seem like reality.
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You don’t see Allen Robinson, who has a significantly better resume than Moore, bitching about targets.
Honestly, freak whatever route tree Moore is being forced to run. If he was as dedicated to the game and prolific as he thinks he is, he would be producing and forced targets. Antonio Brown could play any position at his height, same with Steve Smith. If he wants to draw these comparisons, play hard every play and you’ll get the ball. Bottom line, he’s not the most talented WR on the roster. Corey Davis was a top 10 pick and has never bitched about targets. This seems so laughable as a controversy that it doesn’t seem like reality.
It's because Stafford's wife will light a cross in Robinson's front yard if he bitches.
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Ugh, this is one time I really hate playing devil's advocate, because I think a 2nd year player on a winning team should STFU...
...but...
MLF isn't exactly impressing any of us. And Mims had the same attitude last year. Maybe MLF just sucks and the receivers who aren't Davis are legit frustrated at the lack of inclusion in the gameplan?
I'm 100% in the camp of STFU and collect your mega-salary, especially when you're also winning. But as we've seen so many times before with this team, where there's smoke, there's fire.
Hopefully, this is a speed bump, and everyone is better for it. I really would like to just be able to enjoy this team winning without the drama. Keep it in-house kid. Even if you have a legit gripe, handle it like a grown-derriere man.
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Ugh, this is one time I really hate playing devil's advocate, because I think a 2nd year player on a winning team should STFU...
...but...
MLF isn't exactly impressing any of us. And Mims had the same attitude last year. Maybe MLF just sucks and the receivers who aren't Davis are legit frustrated at the lack of inclusion in the gameplan?
I'm 100% in the camp of STFU and collect your mega-salary, especially when you're also winning. But as we've seen so many times before with this team, where there's smoke, there's fire.
Hopefully, this is a speed bump, and everyone is better for it. I really would like to just be able to enjoy this team winning without the drama. Keep it in-house kid. Even if you have a legit gripe, handle it like a grown-derriere man.
Well there’s that tweet about Moore being one of the highest scripted target guys (early game percentages) in the league before the pre scripted plan ends. Which suggests that they are trying to get him the ball.
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Reminder that Cimini isn't just reporting this, he has played a huge role in stirring the pot. He's the one who tweeted out after we had a huge win against the Packers how weird it was that Moore didn't get any targets.
Let's not let that whiny, negative, excrement stirring freak off the hook.
That's literally his job. Saying Elijah Moore had 0 targets is an interesting note in that game. In fact, the 0 targets led to this whole trade request. You think Moore wasn't aware of his lack of targets?
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You don’t see Allen Robinson, who has a significantly better resume than Moore, bitching about targets.
Honestly, freak whatever route tree Moore is being forced to run. If he was as dedicated to the game and prolific as he thinks he is, he would be producing and forced targets. Antonio Brown could play any position at his height, same with Steve Smith. If he wants to draw these comparisons, play hard every play and you’ll get the ball. Bottom line, he’s not the most talented WR on the roster. Corey Davis was a top 10 pick and has never bitched about targets. This seems so laughable as a controversy that it doesn’t seem like reality.
Sure, but Allen Robinson is going to make more money next year than Moore will on the entirety of his rookie contract. Not to mention Robinsons is playing behind the (potentially?) best wideout in the league. Plus I'd assume that Robinson knows the Rams offense will eventually get their excrement together, and is probably just grateful to go from spending his career in Jacksonville and Chicago, to the defending super bowl champs.
I think Moore is being a whiney cuck, but from a financial perspective the guy/his agent might know what they're doing.
Playing on a Zach Wilson offense is going to make it real hard for a wideout to show he's worth over 20 million a year. And odds are Zach Wilson is gonna be our starting QB the entirety of Moores rookie contract.
Doesn't exactly optimize his chances of a monster payday
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Sure, but Allen Robinson is going to make more money next year than Moore will on the entirety of his rookie contract. Not to mention Robinsons is playing behind the (potentially?) best wideout in the league. Plus I'd assume that Robinson knows the Rams offense will eventually get their excrement together, and is probably just grateful to go from spending his career in Jacksonville and Chicago, to the defending super bowl champs.
I think Moore is being a whiney cuck, but from a financial perspective the guy/his agent might know what they're doing.
Playing on a Zach Wilson offense is going to make it real hard for a wideout to show he's worth over 20 million a year. And odds are Zach Wilson is gonna be our starting QB the entirety of Moores rookie contract.
Doesn't exactly optimize his chances of a monster payday
I think Moore is greatly overestimating his own ability. There are plenty of receivers who have went on to have amazing careers with less targets than Moore has had so far in his career. Kupp, Diggs, Hill, Adams all had less targets through 17 games than more. Kyle Pitts was drafted 4th overall last year and has 2 touchdowns since entering the league and 13 catches this year. I think Moore can be a good player, but he’s no where near as talented as Pitts, and I personally don’t think he’s as talented as any of the receivers I named above.
This conversation is absurd to have after a second round pick has played 17 total games.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/ya64vj/elijah_moore_exactly_1_year_oct_20th_2021_before/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/ya64vj/elijah_moore_exactly_1_year_oct_20th_2021_before/)
Sign this guy
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Playing on a Zach Wilson offense is going to make it real hard for a wideout to show he's worth over 20 million a year. And odds are Zach Wilson is gonna be our starting QB the entirety of Moores rookie contract.
Doesn't exactly optimize his chances of a monster payday
You don't know this.
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I think Moore is greatly overestimating his own ability. There are plenty of receivers who have went on to have amazing careers with less targets than Moore has had so far in his career. Kupp, Diggs, Hill, Adams all had less targets through 17 games than more. Kyle Pitts was drafted 4th overall last year and has 2 touchdowns since entering the league and 13 catches this year. I think Moore can be a good player, but he’s no where near as talented as Pitts, and I personally don’t think he’s as talented as any of the receivers I named above.
This conversation is absurd to have after a second round pick has played 17 total games.
This is really the most undeniable argument here.
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This is really the most undeniable argument here.
Not sure I agree that saying "Elijah Moore has been more effective at drawing targets early in his career than the best WRs in the NFL" really hurts his case.
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Not sure I agree that saying "Elijah Moore has been more effective at drawing targets early in his career than the best WRs in the NFL" really hurts his case.
It is when we're looking at a 17 game sample size, with an even smaller sample in which those target numbers were deemed insufficient to make him happy.
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It is when we're looking at a 17 game sample size, with an even smaller sample in which those target numbers were deemed insufficient to make him happy.
Targets go both ways. If Moore were a star, he would earn more targets. I know he is 22 and a 2nd-year guy so it is unfair to ask him to be a star, but he is acting like a diva star WR so he gets treated like one.
Yes, we could manufacture him touches or make him the first read more often. But a big part of what made his rookie year so promising was that he earned targets and was effective with them. This year, he has done neither.
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Targets go both ways. If Moore were a star, he would earn more targets. I know he is 22 and a 2nd-year guy so it is unfair to ask him to be a star, but he is acting like a diva star WR so he gets treated like one.
Yes, we could manufacture him touches or make him the first read more often. But a big part of what made his rookie year so promising was that he earned targets and was effective with them. This year, he has done neither.
He's being a diva and whining
But you also have to keep in mind Zach Wilson has 42 completions in 3 games, so you can only manufacture more plays so much when you're not throwing the ball.
That's less than some QB's have in a single game.
Of course we won all of them (two of them fairly lobsided) so there's no freaking point in us throwing it, especially when our run game has been phenomenal.
I think that's the biggest reason Moore needs to shut the freak up. You have a young QB behind a beat up OL, if you have easy wins protect you don't need him to get his derriere kicked.
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Targets go both ways. If Moore were a star, he would earn more targets. I know he is 22 and a 2nd-year guy so it is unfair to ask him to be a star, but he is acting like a diva star WR so he gets treated like one.
Yes, we could manufacture him touches or make him the first read more often. But a big part of what made his rookie year so promising was that he earned targets and was effective with them. This year, he has done neither.
So... you agree with the original point that he has no right to ask for a trade because he feels he's not getting enough targets?
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So... you agree with the original point that he has no right to ask for a trade because he feels he's not getting enough targets?
Correct. I just think the reasoning was off.
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(https://i.redd.it/hte32trrhlv91.png)
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Equipment guy probably gets more targets than Uzomah does currently.
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Equipment guy probably gets more targets than Uzomah does currently.
Probably pass protects better too
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Probably pass protects better too
Rofl
*cheers*
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Moore not taking the opportunity to tweet his teammates congrats on the win says a lot.
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This will magically get fixed tomorrow. We need him, he needs us. All will be in the past.
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This will magically get fixed tomorrow. We need him, he needs us. All will be in the past.
Agreed.
Unless someone has a decent RB available for a trade.
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Unless someone has a decent RB available for a trade.
Not sure we can afford losing Moore for a RB. If Hall is really done for the season, we need as many playmakers as possible to make up that production.
We saw what Mims/Smith can't do for this offense when Davis went down.
There are several solid running backs on expiring contracts that we should be able to acquire by moving a DL or a late rounder. Douglas will make something happen.
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Not sure we can afford losing Moore for a RB. If Hall is really done for the season, we need as many playmakers as possible to make up that production.
We saw what Mims/Smith can't do for this offense when Davis went down.
There are several solid running backs on expiring contracts that we should be able to acquire by moving a DL or a late rounder. Douglas will make something happen.
Nathan Shepherd for literally anyone
JFM for someone kinda good
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Moore not taking the opportunity to tweet his teammates congrats on the win says a lot.
He should just stay off Twitter for now.
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He should just stay off Twitter for now.
LOL, was going to say he's taking full advantage of the opportunity to stay the freak off Twitter.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Elijah Moore is back with the team and is expected to be active on Sunday, Saleh says. #Jets
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Rich Cimini
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Elijah Moore is back with the team and is expected to be active on Sunday, Saleh says. #Jets
After Denver took out our best players, there is no excuse for not getting him the ball early and semi-often
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After Denver took out our best players, there is no excuse for not getting him the ball early and semi-often
He’ll get one target in the fist and an overthrow on a hook route in the 4th.
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Make him play the Deebo role and give him 10-12 carries a game. He needs to earn his spot back. Let him take a beating.
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Make him play the Deebo role and give him 10-12 carries a game. He needs to earn his spot back. Let him take a beating.
I'm cool with this, but he is listed as 40lbs lighter than Deebo.
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I'm cool with this, but he is listed as 40lbs lighter than Deebo.
Seems to be bigger than Berrios.
Just find a way to get guys in space. That will make everything easier on Zach the OL and the running game if we just get people in space through concepts
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Seems to be bigger than Berrios.
Just find a way to get guys in space. That will make everything easier on Zach the OL and the running game if we just get people in space through concepts
Somehow Berrios is 15lbs heavier.
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Somehow Berrios is 15lbs heavier.
And yet still straight line faster than Moore. Weird.
freak it make Berrios The Debo Redux
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freak it make Berrios The Debo Redux
This is one of the biggest pipe dreams in the history of sports
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This is one of the biggest pipe dreams in the history of sports
If todays not a day for dreaming how we can scheme up an offense, what day is?
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Jeff Smith is going to put this whole unit on his back
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He should be happy now right? Plenty of targets when our best lineman and best running back are out for the season, right? This guy is a cancer. What’s his endgame at this point? He better turn into freaking Shakespeare at his first presser.
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(https://i.redd.it/plvqdeelsyv91.jpg)
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please trade this dude
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This dude is an idiot. freaking best player on the offense just tore his ACL and all this guy can think about is him be persecuted because he loves God too much. GTFO you POS.
He might be worse than Jamal. At least Jamal was an All Pro on a terrible team.
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This dude is an idiot. freaking best player on the offense just tore his ACL and all this guy can think about is him be persecuted because he loves God too much. GTFO you POS.
He might be worse than Jamal. At least Jamal was an All Pro on a terrible team.
The most unselfish player on the team just blew out his triceps giving the franchise everything he could and we have this selfish little bitch whining about veterans calling him out for being ...a selfish little bitch.
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Like I said, I wish he'd stay off social media.
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You just can't trust these Jesus freaks.
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This guy really is Antonio Brown
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Like I said, I wish he'd stay off social media.
Why? He isn't doing anything wrong. #narcissist
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I assume that even if we were considering it before the Hall injury he’s a jet this season now and we move him in the offseason now.
The message to him is build up your value and we can ship you out this offseason to an NFC team (Detroit?) unless we can somehow flip him for Tunsil, which I can’t imagine is likely
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This is not adversity that arises due to any disobedience on your part.
This dude serious?
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I've never seen a player behave this way 17 games into his career. It's hard to believe his agent is advising him to act this way.
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I've never seen a player behave this way 17 games into his career. It's hard to believe his agent is advising him to act this way.
The only thing I can think of is he has suffered some sort of mental break. He’s got a mental health issue that is manifesting in this way. As such it is sure making him appear to be acting like a crazy person
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Or he's just a really immature player who is also really religious and suffers from main character syndrome.
He probably thought he was going to be a superstar, and this year has not provided that for him.
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Or he's just a really immature player who is also really religious and suffers from main character syndrome.
He probably thought he was going to be a superstar, and this year has not provided that for him.
narcissistic personality disorder
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narcissistic personality disorder
Sure sounds like a mental health issue
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Line the fucker up at RB and have him run b/t the tackles. Maybe he can get some sense knocked into him
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1585296261040816128
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585308683562815488
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https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585311614474985479
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585310982322421760
Glad Blatt is on top of this because Moore is the most interesting story of the day for the Jets.
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https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585311614474985479
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585310982322421760
Glad Blatt is on top of this because Moore is the most interesting story of the day for the Jets.
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1585312032764616704 (https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1585312032764616704)
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585313232700383240 (https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585313232700383240)
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https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1585312032764616704
Strong mid-game adjustment from LaFleur, moving from the fist bump to the handshake/hug.
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Strong locker rooms can overcome this stuff.
I wouldn't be upset if we moved him after all of the whining, but I'm also hoping he steps up and helps this team win football games.
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Let's see how the rest of the season plays out. If he keeps his head down and starts getting targets I can easily see this going away.
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He's an immature 22-year old. If his teammates are fine bringing him back, and he works hard and is productive, it will go away.
I don't see a trade happening unless we can get a comparable WR back.
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We need him now more than ever.
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Re: the mental illness / narcissist stuff, I'm not sure I buy that. I'm still inclined to believe he's one of those kids who's spent his entire life being the best athlete in his class, his school, his teams, and he's grown up surrounded by family and friends who tell him he's special and nothing can stop him and God means for him to go to the very top. When you don't face adversity then you don't learn to overcome it, so if he's now got his support team telling him that it's not his fault but that of the team, that easily manifests itself as a desire to get away from the team rather than overcome the obstacle he sees as being in his way.
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Re: the mental illness / narcissist stuff, I'm not sure I buy that. I'm still inclined to believe he's one of those kids who's spent his entire life being the best athlete in his class, his school, his teams, and he's grown up surrounded by family and friends who tell him he's special and nothing can stop him and God means for him to go to the very top. When you don't face adversity then you don't learn to overcome it, so if he's now got his support team telling him that it's not his fault but that of the team, that easily manifests itself as a desire to get away from the team rather than overcome the obstacle he sees as being in his way.
If he thinks he's better than DK Metcalf and AJ Brown then he is mentally ill
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If he thinks he's better than DK Metcalf and AJ Brown then he is mentally ill
I have no problem if he feels that way. Players should have irrational confidence. Just don't request a trade
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I have no problem if he feels that way. Players should have irrational confidence. Just don't request a trade
He's certainly irrational
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If he thinks he's better than DK Metcalf and AJ Brown then he is mentally ill
Why wouldn't he believe that. AJ Brown practically told him he was better than he would ever be after he got drafted.
This can all go away if he can STFU and put his head down and work. Im not going to defend his actions like JE has. There are plenty of players who are the best athletes in their class/age (they're all probably in the NFL) and a very small fraction of them act like the queynte this guy has in the last 2 weeks. This is more likely a narcissistic problem, not a maturity problem.
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Why wouldn't he believe that. AJ Brown practically told him he was better than he would ever be after he got drafted.
This can all go away if he can STFU and put his head down and work. Im not going to defend his actions like JE has. There are plenty of players who are the best athletes in their class/age (they're all probably in the NFL) and a very small fraction of them act like the queynte this guy has in the last 2 weeks. This is more likely a narcissistic problem, not a maturity problem.
I'm not defending his actions. I'm saying they're likely the result of poor decision making due to a lack of experience in dealing with such scenarios allied to an unhelpful support network, rather than specific mental illnesses diagnosed by internet psychotherapists.
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Regardless, I don't really care why he did it, or if we're trying to diagnose him with some mental health illness.
As long as the team accepts him back, he works his derriere off, and he's productive, I don't really care about the trade request. But if he isn't productive, he'll get booed like Josh Donaldson.
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Is being a big mouth idiot a mental illness? 10th years ago we would all be diagnosed as schizophrenic if that was the case. He's not mentally ill, he's a fuckstick that's all.
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1586818939409125377?s=46&t=nkPiEbOjtUHqKFOjsXNT4g
Please trade this shithead
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1586818939409125377?s=46&t=nkPiEbOjtUHqKFOjsXNT4g
Please trade this shithead
https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1586820170244362243?s=20&t=vS-dXtmD3Ai_GA5ftGX85Q
look at this other shithead
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Moore clearly wants to be traded or get the ball and neither happened. I don't expect him to say anything great in the post-game.
Honestly, I thought it might be worse.
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1586818891971338240
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1586837888016203777
Don't really buy that for a second...
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1586818939409125377?s=46&t=nkPiEbOjtUHqKFOjsXNT4g
Please trade this shithead
I watched the whole interview where that quote came from. On its own, it sounds shitty, but the beat writers were just grilling him hard and you could see him trying to remain calm and not say anything stupid.
After it, Bart Scott and Willie Colon basically said the media was doing to him what they always do, hit a guy with the same questions over and over again until they get a sound bite out of it.
My perception of Moore in the interview was that he just wants to play and he regrets how the whole thing played out. From what he was saying, it seems like he wasn't really looking for a trade, but that he thought asking for one would make someone think "Oh excrement, we gotta get him the ball and make him happy" and then it became public.
But right at the start of the interview, he flat out said he was good with the gameplan for the day even without getting attempts because the plan was geared at the specific opponent. But you don't see that comment in anyone's tweets
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Also, I think he was just trying to make a sarcastic joke with that specific comment
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All the Moore hoopla aside, i still don't know why MLF won't give Moore the ball. Like, what are we doing here?
People are gonna keep siding with MLF? he doesn't even know how to use his offensive resources.
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Like, what are we doing here?
LaFleur put him in timeout
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LaFleur put him in timeout
We're wasting his talent for *checks notes*...Jeff Smith
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All the Moore hoopla aside, i still don't know why MLF won't give Moore the ball. Like, what are we doing here?
I'd like to see what routes he ran yesterday when he was on the field before I start complaining about MLF not scheming for him.
I do know that we didn't run a single sweep, which seems a little perverse given we apparently thought we could beat them to the edge in the run game.
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I'd like to see what routes he ran yesterday when he was on the field before I start complaining about MLF not scheming for him.
I do know that we didn't run a single sweep, which seems a little perverse given we apparently thought we could beat them to the edge in the run game.
It's not just yesterday.
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It's not just yesterday.
I realise that you're currently determined to make MLF the reason for everything from the loss yesterday to the failure of diplomacy in the Middle East, but without studying the All-22 I think it's difficult to say whether this is on him failing to give Moore opportunities, Moore failing to execute the routes he's given, Zach looking him off or failing to see him, or a combination of all of the above. Certainly if Lafleur were asking him to exclusively run decoy routes I would have expected him to get some targets by now, because defenses will have keyed onto that and left him a few times and I would expect Zach to have at least targeted him in such situations.
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I also wonder how much of the Moore stuff this week was LaFleur and how much it was Saleh.
If Moore is playing just 10 snaps after he was playing the majority of snaps in the first few weeks, I think Saleh would he involved in that decision.
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I realise that you're currently determined to make MLF the reason for everything from the loss yesterday to the failure of diplomacy in the Middle East, but without studying the All-22 I think it's difficult to say whether this is on him failing to give Moore opportunities, Moore failing to execute the routes he's given, Zach looking him off or failing to see him, or a combination of all of the above. Certainly if Lafleur were asking him to exclusively run decoy routes I would have expected him to get some targets by now, because defenses will have keyed onto that and left him a few times and I would expect Zach to have at least targeted him in such situations.
Moore is an excellent route runner, perhaps he's being a queynte and not putting in the effort. I'm not absolving him of that. But it certainly didn't start that way.
And some of you are determined to give MLF a pass....not sure why, our passing offense has been excrement for 80% of his tenure. Also, it seems he can't develop a QB either. I guess that's on Zach too.
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I also wonder how much of the Moore stuff this week was LaFleur and how much it was Saleh.
If Moore is playing just 10 snaps after he was playing the majority of snaps in the first few weeks, I think Saleh would he involved in that decision.
Saleh is going to green-light whatever MLF tells him, he has his complete trust. Let's see how long that lasts.
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Moore is an excellent route runner, perhaps he's being a queynte and not putting in the effort. I'm not absolving him of that. But it certainly didn't start that way.
And some of you are determined to give MLF a pass....not sure why, our passing offense has been excrement for 80% of his tenure. Also, it seems he can't develop a QB either. I guess that's on Zach too.
I'm not giving anyone a pass. I'm literally saying that without looking deeper at what's actually happening on the field I'm not sure who carries most of the blame, and frankly, even with a forensic analysis of every play I don't know that we would be able to say with certainty. The one thing I am sure of is that none of the three - MLF, Moore and Zach - are blameless for his current irrelevance on the field.
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I'm not giving anyone a pass. I'm literally saying that without looking deeper at what's actually happening on the field I'm not sure who carries most of the blame, and frankly, even with a forensic analysis of every play I don't know that we would be able to say with certainty. The one thing I am sure of is that none of the three - MLF, Moore and Zach - are blameless for his current irrelevance on the field.
Nobody is blameless, they all shoulder some of it. I just believe it started somewhere, and in this case, it was the OC. I don't think it was intentional either, i just don't believe he knows what he's doing....his incompetence is starting to have a ripple effect.
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I realise that you're currently determined to make MLF the reason for everything from the loss yesterday to the failure of diplomacy in the Middle East, but without studying the All-22 I think it's difficult to say whether this is on him failing to give Moore opportunities, Moore failing to execute the routes he's given, Zach looking him off or failing to see him, or a combination of all of the above. Certainly if Lafleur were asking him to exclusively run decoy routes I would have expected him to get some targets by now, because defenses will have keyed onto that and left him a few times and I would expect Zach to have at least targeted him in such situations.
He only played 10 snaps. An All-22 review of his play yesterday could be completed while taking a pee.
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Saleh is going to green-light whatever MLF tells him, he has his complete trust. Let's see how long that lasts.
Unless Zach tells Saleh to fire LaFleur apparently.
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He only played 10 snaps. An All-22 review of his play yesterday could be completed while taking a pee.
LOL, that's fair. I'd like to see the RPO play that supposedly got him benched for refusing to block.
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Unless Zach tells Saleh to fire LaFleur apparently.
*shrug* It's not impossible...and i wouldn't be surprised in the least.
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MLF certainly isn't blameless in anything.
- I wish he'd run more on 3rd and short
- Zach is struggling, and he is supposed to help develop Zach
- He hasn't figured out how to use Moore properly, and something happened between Moore and the staff to cause a rift.
There are plenty of things that MLF shares in the blame for. I just think that overall, MLF has been our best OC since Schottenheimer, and he's done enough positive things where I don't think he should be on the hot seat. And it gets tiresome when people blame MLF for seemingly everything (like when Zach misses wide open receivers, and somehow MLF gets blamed for the playcall).
I would like to see Saleh/LaFleur/Ulbrich grow together as of now. I've seen enough positive signs from the staff where I'm mostly in on the staff. Wilson is where I have a lot of questions. I hope he answers them positively because I really don't want to restart with a new QB unless Wilson is awful.
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MLF certainly isn't blameless in anything.
- I wish he'd run more on 3rd and short
- Zach is struggling, and he is supposed to help develop Zach
- He hasn't figured out how to use Moore properly, and something happened between Moore and the staff to cause a rift.
There are plenty of things that MLF shares in the blame for. I just think that overall, MLF has been our best OC since Schottenheimer, and he's done enough positive things where I don't think he should be on the hot seat. And it gets tiresome when people blame MLF for seemingly everything (like when Zach misses wide open receivers, and somehow MLF gets blamed for the playcall).
I would like to see Saleh/LaFleur/Ulbrich grow together as of now. I've seen enough positive signs from the staff where I'm mostly in on the staff. Wilson is where I have a lot of questions. I hope he answers them positively because I really don't want to restart with a new QB unless Wilson is awful.
Chan Gailey did a pretty good job in 2015, although that was an incredibly experienced offense so he didn't have the kind of developmental challenges with the roster that MLF does. You can probably just send Fitz, Mangold, Marshall, Decker, Brick and Ivory out there and tell them to do football.
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MLF certainly isn't blameless in anything.
- I wish he'd run more on 3rd and short
- Zach is struggling, and he is supposed to help develop Zach
- He hasn't figured out how to use Moore properly, and something happened between Moore and the staff to cause a rift.
There are plenty of things that MLF shares in the blame for. I just think that overall, MLF has been our best OC since Schottenheimer, and he's done enough positive things where I don't think he should be on the hot seat. And it gets tiresome when people blame MLF for seemingly everything (like when Zach misses wide open receivers, and somehow MLF gets blamed for the playcall).
I would like to see Saleh/LaFleur/Ulbrich grow together as of now. I've seen enough positive signs from the staff where I'm mostly in on the staff. Wilson is where I have a lot of questions. I hope he answers them positively because I really don't want to restart with a new QB unless Wilson is awful.
Our best OC since Schotty... that bar is set pretty low, don't you think?
No, he hasn't done enough.
I've never blamed MLF for Zach missing open receivers, not sure why you keep saying that.
As soon as Breece Hall went down, our entire offense crumpled like a piece of used toilet paper. With all the weapons at MLF's disposal, why would that happen? you keep posting he's such a great OC, and you just admitted he's not doing a good job of developing Zach. So which is it?
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Our best OC since Schotty... that bar is set pretty low, don't you think?
No, he hasn't done enough.
I've never blamed MLF for Zach missing open receivers, not sure why you keep saying that.
As soon as Breece Hall went down, our entire offense crumpled like a piece of used toilet paper. With all the weapons at MLF's disposal, why would that happen? you keep posting he's such a great OC, and you just admitted he's not doing a good job of developing Zach. So which is it?
Maybe it was LJF in the game thread, but someone immediately jumped on LaFleur after the bad pick.
And yes, it's a very low bar. I'm not saying give LaFleur an extension - all I'm saying is he shouldn't be on the hot seat.
Also, "all the weapons at MLF's disposal." If Moore is being punished, the offense is far from loaded. Garrett, Berrios, Mims and Jeff Smith isn't exactly the Greatest Show on Turf. Ty Johnson is RB2 or RB3 behind a guy coming off an Achilles injury who just got here on Monday. Our OL is playing our 5th-string OT. And the QB has sucked. Yes, Zach gets some of those excuses as well, but Zach hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt IMO.
I also give LaFleur credit for the offense not missing a beat without Zach last year. And we threw for 300+ yards on 8.7 yards per attempt last game. Zach deserves credit for that, but so does LaFleur. Zach had some good moments yesterday, but the bad moments overshadowed all of them, rightfully so. If he's under pressure, he has been hopeless. You don't expect QBs to be good under pressure, but Zach has been the absolute worst in the NFL in that spot.
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Maybe it was LJF in the game thread, but someone immediately jumped on LaFleur after the bad pick.
And yes, it's a very low bar. I'm not saying give LaFleur an extension - all I'm saying is he shouldn't be on the hot seat.
Also, "all the weapons at MLF's disposal." If Moore is being punished, the offense is far from loaded. Garrett, Berrios, Mims and Jeff Smith isn't exactly the Greatest Show on Turf. Ty Johnson is RB2 or RB3 behind a guy coming off an Achilles injury who just got here on Monday. Our OL is playing our 5th-string OT. And the QB has sucked. Yes, Zach gets some of those excuses as well, but Zach hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt IMO.
I also give LaFleur credit for the offense not missing a beat without Zach last year. And we threw for 300+ yards on 8.7 yards per attempt last game. Zach deserves credit for that, but so does LaFleur. Zach had some good moments yesterday, but the bad moments overshadowed all of them, rightfully so. If he's under pressure, he has been hopeless. You don't expect QBs to be good under pressure, but Zach has been the absolute worst in the NFL in that spot.
Weapons at MLF's disposal
-G Wilson
-Berrios
-Moore (i saw the high five and hug during practice last week)
-Michael Carter
-Robinson (although he'd be limited due to not knowing the offense)
-both TEs
-Mims
There's plenty to work with there.
I don't know what's wrong with Zach. I agree with you in that some issues are starting to manifest with him. But again, what is MLF/Calabrese doing about it? The QB and OC are clearly not on the same page.
We were winning with our run game. That's gone now. All the warts from what's left of our offense are now front and center.
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Maybe it was LJF in the game thread, but someone immediately jumped on LaFleur after the bad pick.
If we're talking about the first pick at the end of the first half, it was a terrible call to throw there. We were in control and just took the ball away from them. It made no sense to run hurry up there with three timeouts.
That entire sequence was baffling. It's just as much on Saleh as it is on LaFleur.
Stop the clock. Run the football and see if you can pick up two yards. If you get stuffed, either go for it there or punt it deep (hopefully...).
There's no reason to not use timeouts every week.
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If we're talking about the first pick at the end of the first half, it was a terrible call to throw there. We were in control and just took the ball away from them. It made no sense to run hurry up there with three timeouts.
That entire sequence was baffling. It's just as much on Saleh as it is on LaFleur.
Stop the clock. Run the football and see if you can pick up two yards. If you get stuffed, either go for it there or punt it deep (hopefully...).
There's no reason to not use timeouts every week.
I disagree about the time out stuff. We had plenty of time - why stop the clock in case you have to punt or turn it over? We control the clock there, especially with 3 time outs. Don't risk giving NE the ball back with a lot of time.
I agree it was a bad play call situationally. You should run the ball on 3rd and 2. First of all, 3rd and short is where you SHOULD be running it. Second, like I said, we have plenty of time left, and if you don't get the first, you'd rather have run the ball and force them to use a time out.
However, his checkdown was also open on that play (overthrown), and if the line held up another half-second, he had a wide open player deep on a post route over the middle. The play was there to be made, so while I don't think it was the right call, it should have worked.
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However, his checkdown was also open on that play (overthrown)
That isn't his check down. Berrios is. That's the read. They tried to isolate the back on the backer and the play has a chance. It's just a stupid call by the coaching staff followed by a panicked bonehead decision by the QB.
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I disagree about the time out stuff. We had plenty of time - why stop the clock in case you have to punt or turn it over?
Why stop the clock? To get the right play in.
We were running hurry up for no reason. We had momentum and control of the game. No reason to speed up the game on third and short when you are in control there.
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Why stop the clock? To get the right play in.
We were running hurry up for no reason. We had momentum and control of the game. No reason to speed up the game on third and short when you are in control there.
The clock was stopped on the previous play. The ball was snapped with 7 seconds on the play clock.
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The clock was stopped on the previous play. The ball was snapped with 7 seconds on the play clock.
So Saleh had time to call a timeout before the ball was snapped then.
Maybe I worded that like I wanted them to save time. I wanted them to slow the game down.
You don't just call timeouts to stop the clock. You can call a timeout to regroup. That's what we needed.
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If we're talking about the first pick at the end of the first half, it was a terrible call to throw there. We were in control and just took the ball away from them. It made no sense to run hurry up there with three timeouts.
That entire sequence was baffling. It's just as much on Saleh as it is on LaFleur.
Stop the clock. Run the football and see if you can pick up two yards. If you get stuffed, either go for it there or punt it deep (hopefully...).
There's no reason to not use timeouts every week.
This had me screaming at my TV tbh
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Saleh read all the old board posts where people were furious anytime we called a timeout, and overcorrected.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Elijah Moore was on the field for 10 plays -- 6 wide, 4 in the slot. So, yeah, they used him more in the slot than usual, just not enough for anybody to notice. #Jets
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1587085664818020354?s=20&t=7VRpisx9EjtNOuvsCkchpA (https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1587085664818020354?s=20&t=7VRpisx9EjtNOuvsCkchpA)
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5:26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPTlkr2upTo
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https://twitter.com/RexRyanIsBig/status/1588326623001993216
looooooool
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https://twitter.com/RexRyanIsBig/status/1588326623001993216
looooooool
He liked some Kanye/Kyrie related tweet, too.
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He liked some Kanye/Kyrie related tweet, too.
So can we agree that he's just batshit insane then?
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doghouse
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https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1588593681765994496 (https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1588593681765994496)
Good.
He sensed Denzel Mims on the come-up and realized he's gotta salvage what targets he can. Whole locker room on the verge of Mimsanity.
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In theory, GW / Mims / Moore playing to their skill levels could be a ridiculously good receiving corps. Obviously it requires two of the three to keep their heads out of their asses and in the game (Garrett obviously not included in that), Zach to not think he's Brett Favre, Lafleur to not think he's Bryan Schottenheimer, and the entire OL to at least be serviceable.
But still. What could in theory be, is exciting.
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In theory, GW / Mims / Moore playing to their skill levels could be a ridiculously good receiving corps. Obviously it requires two of the three to keep their heads out of their asses and in the game (Garrett obviously not included in that), Zach to not think he's Brett Favre, Lafleur to not think he's Bryan Schottenheimer, and the entire OL to at least be serviceable.
But still. What could in theory be, is exciting.
All the pieces are there next year if the quarterback hits and we find an answer at OT. Most of the pieces are there this year.
Mims could potentially take Davis' place if we want to clear that money. Either way, I like having a bigger physical presence to match with Wilson and Moore.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Wilson on Moore's lack of involvement: "That's a tough one. I'd like to get E Moore the ball. For me and my situation, I'm going through the reads + everything. That's more of a question for the coaches. Also the situation in general is tough" cont...
Serious question - do you think it's possible MLF is telling Zach to not target Moore bc of all his antics? Maybe he's MIMZING him, so he's making him earn his targets, or something to that effect?
BC if you're never going to let him touch the ball, why even activate him?
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BC if you're never going to let him touch the ball, why even activate him?
I don't think MLF is telling Wilson not to throw him the football. I think he's just completely phasing him out of the offense.
He basically does all the same things as Berrios. Why can't you give him a carry or a quick screen? He's making an effort to not get Moore the football.
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I don't think MLF is telling Wilson not to throw him the football. I think he's just completely phasing him out of the offense.
He basically does all the same things as Berrios. Why can't you give him a carry or a quick screen? He's making an effort to not get Moore the football.
Berrios had one target yesterday. It's not like he's getting 8-10 a game.
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Maybe MLF is playing the long game and Moore has actually been really happy all along and is just playing his part. Then in the game at Buffalo to take control of the division and Frazier has just assumed Moore is a decoy and is cheating, Zach is suddenly going to target him with every other pass and he's going to go off. Lafleur and Moore take a joint press conference together after the game where they confess they've been huge fans of each all along, MLF is proclaimed as an offensive genius, and Moore wins OPOTW.
Then Jets lose the remaining four and miss the postseason on the tiebreaker.
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I don't think MLF is telling Wilson not to throw him the football. I think he's just completely phasing him out of the offense.
He basically does all the same things as Berrios. Why can't you give him a carry or a quick screen? He's making an effort to not get Moore the football.
To me the Wilson quote is essentially saying that Moore isn’t a top 2-3 read on the vast majority of plays. That tells me that LaFluer is either intentionally being an poopchute to send a message, or has lost all faith in him to be effective. We ran a quick hitter to Jeff freaking smith, who was 100% the first read yesterday. There is no reason whatsoever for Moore to not be AT LEAST getting those 1-2 targets per game.
Elijah is capable of being an NFL receiver, there is no reason to phase him out. We need to get him into the game. I will say, we probably are setting up some gadgetry with all the misdirection he’s running in the backfield the last two weeks. Eventually that’s only a “threat” to confuse the defense if you actually give the ball to Moore.
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Berrios had one target yesterday. It's not like he's getting 8-10 a game.
We tried to target him again and the play was blown dead. 2 touches is better than 0.
I mean Moore and Berrios are basically playing the same position on offense now. MLF is using them on that weird orbit motion screen look.
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Maybe MLF is playing the long game and Moore has actually been really happy all along and is just playing his part. Then in the game at Buffalo to take control of the division and Frazier has just assumed Moore is a decoy and is cheating, Zach is suddenly going to target him with every other pass and he's going to go off. Lafleur and Moore take a joint press conference together after the game where they confess they've been huge fans of each all along, MLF is proclaimed as an offensive genius, and Moore wins OPOTW.
Then Jets lose the remaining four and miss the postseason on the tiebreaker.
This makes the most sense
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We tried to target him again and the play was blown dead. 2 touches is better than 0.
I mean Moore and Berrios are basically playing the same position on offense now. MLF is using them on that weird orbit motion screen look.
I’m still waiting for the direct snap to the motion man on that play.
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Maybe MLF is playing the long game and Moore has actually been really happy all along and is just playing his part. Then in the game at Buffalo to take control of the division and Frazier has just assumed Moore is a decoy and is cheating, Zach is suddenly going to target him with every other pass and he's going to go off. Lafleur and Moore take a joint press conference together after the game where they confess they've been huge fans of each all along, MLF is proclaimed as an offensive genius, and Moore wins OPOTW.
Then Jets lose the remaining four and miss the postseason on the tiebreaker.
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I mean Moore and Berrios are basically playing the same position on offense now. MLF is using them on that weird orbit motion screen look.
i may be in the minority but i absolutely hate when we do that. i feel like the guy running around in the backfield accomplishes anything but tricking or decoy-ing the opposing D, and we end up running a play where we scheme one of our guys 7 yards in the backfield doing absolutely nothing. not running a route, not blocking for a runner, nothing.
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i don't see why moore should be getting the ball instead of berrios on the few end arounds/sweeps/whatever trick plays behind the line of scrimmage that berrios has produced on a couple of times a game
i thought moore was supposed to be a big boy receiver and get open on real plays
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Highlights
https://twitter.com/NyjMike/status/1589728376649965568?s=20&t=Q-ydSKWxrjVnLrh8G8dtlA
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According to Saleh, Moore is being moved to the slot permanently.
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According to Saleh, Moore is being moved to the slot permanently.
let's ride
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According to Saleh, Moore is being moved to the slot permanently.
I’m sure this has nothing to do with how way Garrett has played outside the past two weeks
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According to Saleh, Moore is being moved to the slot permanently.
Kind of a weird thing for the staff to say.
Last year, they kept saying Mims couldn't play all their WR positions. Same with Garrett this year.
I bet Moore will still move around. But it does seem clear that the slot is where he is best suited.
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According to Saleh, Moore is being moved to the slot permanently.
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It will be interesting to see what we do once Davis is back healthy. Hopefully Mims continues to ingratiate himself to the coaching staff so that he remains active on game days over Smith.
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It will be interesting to see what we do once Davis is back healthy. Hopefully Mims continues to ingratiate himself to the coaching staff so that he remains active on game days over Smith.
I think you put Mims and Davis on the field at the same time. Put Davis in the slot on tight formations and run the football. I think you can isolate Garrett Wilson opposite twins of Davis/Mims. I really hope LaFleur does this.
We have the personnel to line up with two tight ends and two really good blocking wideouts. This will help our outside run game out in a big way.
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There's some potential looks you can get into where Moore/Berrios/Wilson can take a sweep/pop pass coming towards Mims and Davis.
QB/RB counter off of a fake jet is a pain in the derriere. Fields and Jackson have both had success running that.
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According to Saleh, Moore is being moved to the slot permanently.
I guess it's good for Moore...he'll have to run around a lot less while still not getting targeted
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I think you put Mims and Davis on the field at the same time. Put Davis in the slot on tight formations and run the football. I think you can isolate Garrett Wilson opposite twins of Davis/Mims. I really hope LaFleur does this.
We have the personnel to line up with two tight ends and two really good blocking wideouts. This will help our outside run game out in a big way.
I wonder if the emergence of Mims opens the staff's eyes to that. Mims, Davis and 2 tight ends on the field is a hell of a run blocking lineup. And those 2 on the outside with Wilson inside is dangerous as well.
I thought if Mims played well that he would replace Davis next year. Turns out he might replace Moore if he plays well.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34997240/texans-wr-brandon-cooks-admits-frustration-want-win
Texans wideout Brandin Cooks admitted to being frustrated on Thursday, speaking publicly for the first time since the NFL's trade deadline passed on Nov. 1.
The Texans are 1-6-1, which is part of the reason why Cooks hoped to be traded to a contender.
"For me personally, I just at the end of the day want to win and compete now," Cooks said. "That's been my thought process."
Someone post this article in Moore's locker.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34997240/texans-wr-brandon-cooks-admits-frustration-want-win
Someone post this article in Moore's locker.
Cooks also missed a game this season because he was so upset he wasn't traded. Not sure Cooks is the best role model right now.
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Cooks also missed a game this season because he was so upset he wasn't traded. Not sure Cooks is the best role model right now.
It's also almost word-for-word what Moore said post-benching
I get that no one ever wants a player to open his mouth, but since the trade ask, Moore has shut up, put in work and gone out of his way to not say anything stupid
Maybe, and I know this is crazy, but just maybe, the coaches have let him back out of the doghouse and are going to give him the chance to contribute. Isn't the slot where everyone thought he'd be best suited when he was drafted?
Tough love worked for Mims. Let's see if it works for Moore
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Cooks also missed a game this season because he was so upset he wasn't traded. Not sure Cooks is the best role model right now.
My point was focused on Cook's comment about winning.
Dude needs to learn that winning doesn't come easy, and he needs to put his head down, STFU and work.
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Moore doesn't care about winning. He just wants the ball. He was happier when the Jets were getting blown out and he was getting garbage time stats.
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Moore doesn't care about winning. He just wants the ball. He was happier when the Jets were getting blown out and he was getting garbage time stats.
He literally said the opposite to the media in his first game back after benching
I'm not making this up. I literally watched it on the postgame. He flat out said he didn't care he had no targets because the gameplan dictated it and the gameplan was tailored to the opponent
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After watching his interviews in the weeks since his benching, my honest impression is that he thought asking for a trade would make MLF et al think to themselves "We gotta feed him and make him happy"
I don't think he actually wanted a trade. He was looking to be involved and overestimated his worth. Ever since, he's appeared to be back on the right track and it looks like the coaching staff is seeing that as well
This worked with Mims, no reason it can't work with Moore
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After watching his interviews in the weeks since his benching, my honest impression is that he thought asking for a trade would make MLF et al think to themselves "We gotta feed him and make him happy"
I don't think he actually wanted a trade. He was looking to be involved and overestimated his worth. Ever since, he's appeared to be back on the right track and it looks like the coaching staff is seeing that as well
This worked with Mims, no reason it can't work with Moore
Yep, let's hope so
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I think Moore is a bit crazy, which is why he is so uber religious and believes in some of the Kyrie/Kanye stuff. And why he pissed on the field at Ole Miss.
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Cimini has really been pushing the narrative. 2 tweets about Moore during the Bills game and another after it. Like, you got your story already, we just beat the Bills…focus on that.
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Cimini has really been pushing the narrative. 2 tweets about Moore during the Bills game and another after it. Like, you got your story already, we just beat the Bills…focus on that.
What’s the media line? If it bleeds it leads? What does Saleh saying about winning? It’s more relief that you didn’t lose than jubilation for winning.
Wins are the expectation in pro sports and they don’t drive conversation nearly as well as negative controversy does. Especially in NY when so many Jets fans are addicted to that stuff after a decade of futility and that being the only content to read and access.
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What’s the media line? If it bleeds it leads? What does Saleh saying about winning? It’s more relief that you didn’t lose than jubilation for winning.
Wins are the expectation in pro sports and they don’t drive conversation nearly as well as negative controversy does. Especially in NY when so many Jets fans are addicted to that stuff after a decade of futility and that being the only content to read and access.
I read Twitter a little more than I probably should, but Cimini is really the only one I see keep beating that drum. You broke the story, congrats. It’s been almost a month now and he’s the only media head still talking about it. Typical for him though.
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Moore went from a potential rising star at WR 2 months ago to a guy who requested a trade and then became an afterthought.
Seems like an interesting story worth covering, especially on a bye week.
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Elijah Moore
Thank u God for workinn wayy harder than satan…grateful for the smallest of things. U never said it was goin to be easy but with u I know that anything is possible. Life is full of ups and down and I know that u are what stays consistent. Thank u for ur grace.
Elijah 3:16
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"Thank you Father for making Saleh bench that Mormon heathen"
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This is certainly a quote
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1596979037586718720?s=19
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This is certainly a quote
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1596979037586718720?s=19 (https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1596979037586718720?s=19)
He was talking to his balls?
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https://twitter.com/kennyducey/status/1597624515303211013?s=46&t=p1LwdpO7FWDK4v8J0ZrtSA
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https://twitter.com/kennyducey/status/1597624515303211013?s=46&t=p1LwdpO7FWDK4v8J0ZrtSA
I didn't hate this.
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Like dad like lad
https://twitter.com/Mooretolife2/status/1616977008591880193
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Jesus. Can this guy freak off already?
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The whole family's delusional.
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Didn't realize that was his dad.
Either way, we need to find a QB. Clearly they've had it with Zach.
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Didn't realize that was his dad.
Either way, we need to find a QB. Clearly they've had it with Zach.
Their opinions are the very last ones that matter. I would guess that Zach has more chance of being a Jet next season than Moore.
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https://twitter.com/josinaanderson/status/1635691600817926157?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Josina says Elijah Moore not getting traded
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https://twitter.com/josinaanderson/status/1635691600817926157?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Josina says Elijah Moore not getting traded
https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1604515147053162501
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Oh excrement we're getting Mbappe?
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Oh excrement we're getting Mbappe?
Nah, not good enough.
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Nah, not good enough.
We’re getting your boy Messi.
What do you call him, the GOAT? don’t want to misquote
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We’re getting your boy Messi.
What do you call him, the GOAT? don’t want to misquote
SGAOAT
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Steve Smith is the comp. He didn't do excrement until his third season. He's also a gigantic poopchute.
I don't have faith in Elijah Moore and I will celebrate if he's traded. I'll never question his talent. I will always question his competitiveness and his commitment to winning football.
He is a me-first player until he proves otherwise.
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Steve Smith is the comp. He didn't do excrement until his third season. He's also a gigantic poopchute.
I don't have faith in Elijah Moore and I will celebrate if he's traded. I'll never question his talent. I will always question his competitiveness and his commitment to winning football.
He is a me-first player until he proves otherwise.
That's all fair. My only argument is that his talent warrants us giving him that opportunity. There's nothing preventing us from trading him later on if that's what it comes down to.
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Trade him to the Broncos so he and DangerRuss can tag team Jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnDLrDMrSXI
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josina anderson sucks
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josina anderson sucks
preach