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Title: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on April 30, 2021, 06:26:30 PM
LFG


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Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2021, 06:27:01 PM
This was a guy that most people had in the 1st round.

Good value. And I'm fine addressing more WR.

Our WR corps is night and day from last year.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on April 30, 2021, 06:27:26 PM
Package Crowder and a Day 3 pick to get back in?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: klaximilian on April 30, 2021, 06:27:52 PM
Are these the Jets?

JD is killing it this year. Love the triple dip on offense. Saleh can coach the D up for now, lets make sure Zach has all the support he can get.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2021, 06:31:50 PM
Egg Bowl legend.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0QjWJaVoAA4xUH?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPek6FrrKYE0
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on April 30, 2021, 06:33:00 PM
Somebody get a highlight reel up in here
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2021, 06:33:12 PM
I love Moore

He fills the Deebo role in this scheme
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2021, 06:45:16 PM
Moore can do the jet sweeps and get a lot of the LOS touches Deebo Samuel gets. And he's got the speed element that the rest of our offense doesn't really have. He's a different dynamic than Mims and Davis. I do wonder what this means for Crowder, but I don't see why we can't keep Crowder this year, use Moore in bits and spurts, and let Moore develop at his own pace. And if he takes a starting spot, that's fantastic.

We can also even use him out of the backfield on some obvious passing downs.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2021, 06:45:34 PM
I feel like WR was a part of the roster I was less concerned about, but I'm not upset about upgrading there.

Davis
Mims
Crowder
Cole
Moore

Heismanberg's boys Smith and Smyth might be looking for jobs this summer.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: IATA on April 30, 2021, 06:51:44 PM
Rebel Mike is so excited
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2021, 06:54:11 PM
The Smiths had their chance last year and couldn't take advantage of it.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on April 30, 2021, 06:58:24 PM
I feel like WR was a part of the roster I was less concerned about, but I'm not upset about upgrading there.

Davis
Mims
Crowder
Cole
Moore

Heismanberg's boys Smith and Smyth might be looking for jobs this summer.

And freaking Berrios should be out of a job here. Added bonus
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2021, 07:06:34 PM
And freaking Berrios should be out of a job here. Added bonus

I don't hate him as a returner. He's a safe pair of hands and it's increasingly difficult to actually turn a punt or especially a kick into a score these days. Catch the ball, maybe escape a tackle or two, don't turn it over, be cheap. Those are the primary skills of a returner in the current day NFL and he fulfils them fairly well.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: casman02 on April 30, 2021, 07:10:52 PM
And freaking Berrios should be out of a job here. Added bonus

Berrios = Crowder per Jets twitter last year
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2021, 07:20:05 PM
https://twitter.com/brgridiron/status/1388275874684973057
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on April 30, 2021, 07:22:56 PM
DJax and Santana Moss comps. Not a bad weapon to add to the arsenal
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2021, 07:29:01 PM
BYE BERRIOS
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 30, 2021, 07:29:38 PM
someone drop a fvckin lit youtube comp we're 2 pages in
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2021, 07:32:04 PM
Do you guys not know how to use YouTube yourselves or something?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2021, 07:33:07 PM
DJax and Santana Moss comps. Not a bad weapon to add to the arsenal

Jackson is a horrible comparison
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 30, 2021, 07:35:32 PM
Do you guys not know how to use YouTube yourselves or something?

bro you wrote this post instead of posting a youtube vid

bro we just talkin bout the decent thing to do
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2021, 07:38:35 PM
You lazy fucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on0FisUOvu0
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: casman02 on April 30, 2021, 07:40:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRr4yBqyFnI
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2021, 07:44:22 PM
You lazy fucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on0FisUOvu0

He said lit YouTube comp, this excrement lame AF

I can’t watch it without a horrendous SoundCloud rapper track and D grade visual effects
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2021, 07:45:42 PM
He said lit YouTube comp, this excrement lame AF

I can’t watch it without a horrendous SoundCloud rapper track and D grade visual effects
Is this something you might be interested in?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DHHhZ0T2Ks
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 30, 2021, 07:47:55 PM
ESPN's comp was Steve Smith
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2021, 07:51:21 PM
ESPN's comp was Steve Smith

Saw that. I can definitely get excited for having a new version of that poopchute in a Jets jersey.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2021, 07:58:52 PM
Is this something you might be interested in?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DHHhZ0T2Ks

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Exactly what I was looking for
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2021, 07:59:44 PM
ESPN's comp was Steve Smith

Steve Smith and Santana Moss comps are the ones I like
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2021, 08:00:28 PM
ESPN's comp was Steve Smith

That is the comp
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 30, 2021, 08:07:48 PM
ESPN's comp was Steve Smith

'i wouldn't let mark sanchez throw me a ham sandwich' steve smith?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2021, 08:15:49 PM
I hope he wears #8
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2021, 09:26:25 PM
Mel Kiper had Moore as his #16 overall player

PFF: 22
Jeremiah: 26
McShay: 33
Zierlein: 22
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on April 30, 2021, 09:31:23 PM
Mel Kiper had Moore as his #16 overall player

PFF: 22
Jeremiah: 26
McShay: 33
Zierlein: 22

So in other words, value on all the big boards. Seems like we are doing just fine so far this weekend.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2021, 09:33:48 PM
I thought it was previously established that Kiper's a clown and PFF are trash?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2021, 09:42:33 PM
I thought it was previously established that Kiper's a clown and PFF are trash?
Nah, we drafted 3 of the top 16 players on Mel's board. He is now in Chris Simms territory.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on April 30, 2021, 09:59:56 PM
Nah, we drafted 3 of the top 16 players on Mel's board. He is now in Chris Simms territory.

He also called us a Loser after yesterday for trading up for AVT a top 10 player on his board.

So I'm not sure how Jets fans rank Mel at this point
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Laxin on April 30, 2021, 10:00:53 PM
I know they are pro day numbers, but he ran a 4.32 40, 4.00 short shuttle and a 6.65 3 cone... those are absurd numbers. This dude is explosive.

I really like the Lockett comparison. Very similar measurables and play style. Idk if Moore is as physical a player as Steve Smith.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 30, 2021, 10:08:52 PM
How "punch my own safety in the face" is he?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: casman02 on April 30, 2021, 10:08:55 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1388328140326461441
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on April 30, 2021, 10:21:53 PM
I think we are going to love the way Saleh coaches on the sideline. After the last decade of Gase and Bowles stoic nonsense, Saleh's energy and excitement is going to be tremendous. Assuming he can coach well, he's got the right demeanor for Jets fans, and we are going to freaking love him
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on April 30, 2021, 10:54:58 PM
Moore looks like a fast little beast.  I'm drunk.  Good pick.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on April 30, 2021, 11:16:05 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1388328140326461441?s=19
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 30, 2021, 11:34:21 PM
So at what point is Wilson going to change his name Elisha?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2021, 11:35:57 PM
Elisha, Elijah and Alijah.  We need like an Aliyah.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2021, 02:22:44 AM
Really like what Moore can provide. We didn't have that WR who can take carries on jet sweeps or line up in the backfield and be a threat. He's a swiss army knife. We can use him a lot of the ways the 49ers use Deebo Samuel, though Moore is a different player, and I think he can be more than that. He's also a completely different element than Mims and Davis. He's a little redundant with Crowder at points.

He runs really good routes, he catches everything in sight, and he's very elusive when he has the ball. That is a hell of a combination. Some of the super-optimistic projections I've seen are Antonio Brown, and if he hits his ceiling, it's only a little crazy. That's kind of the same combination Antonio Brown had early in his career before taking his game to another level.

Tyler Lockett is another one who has a similar profile and similar top-end productivity in college. Lockett was better at the ancillary parts though, mainly returning.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2021, 07:36:47 AM
Elisha, Elijah and Alijah.  We need like an Aliyah.

So far we've drafted Zachary, Alijah and Elijah. Fully expect our next picks to be Dylan Moses, Joshua Kaindoh and Israel Mukuamu.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: ons on May 01, 2021, 08:05:17 AM
Another type of hype video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMX4JMSsmkU
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on May 01, 2021, 08:15:16 AM
I’m not sure how to feel after watching that.

Brown is still trying to do the things on the field Moore already does? Brown took Moore in and let him live with him? Interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2021, 08:50:35 AM
https://twitter.com/sinow/status/1388273411441315845?s=21
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2021, 09:00:52 AM
Really like what Moore can provide. We didn't have that WR who can take carries on jet sweeps or line up in the backfield and be a threat. He's a swiss army knife. We can use him a lot of the ways the 49ers use Deebo Samuel, though Moore is a different player, and I think he can be more than that. He's also a completely different element than Mims and Davis. He's a little redundant with Crowder at points.

He runs really good routes, he catches everything in sight, and he's very elusive when he has the ball. That is a hell of a combination. Some of the super-optimistic projections I've seen are Antonio Brown, and if he hits his ceiling, it's only a little crazy. That's kind of the same combination Antonio Brown had early in his career before taking his game to another level.

Tyler Lockett is another one who has a similar profile and similar top-end productivity in college. Lockett was better at the ancillary parts though, mainly returning.
This hyped me out of my hangover
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2021, 10:17:28 AM
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Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2021, 11:44:30 AM
Interesting

https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/n2jwxk/peep_the_round_and_pick_to_the_left_looks_like_we
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2021, 11:45:56 AM
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Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2021, 01:32:44 PM
Hnnngh

https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1388273456844791811?s=20


Jets’ Elijah Moore had a step or more of separation on 90% of his targets last season.

Highest % in power five football. https://t.co/l4f0H4vvxa
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2021, 01:35:30 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1388295664862433282?s=21


Joe Douglas says that the #Jets did not draft Elijah Moore to replace Jamison Crowder.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: IATA on May 01, 2021, 01:36:36 PM
he also said sam was our starting quarterback
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2021, 01:37:52 PM
he also said sam was our starting quarterback
Crowder is actually good though.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 01, 2021, 02:27:47 PM
Crowder is actually good though.
Crowder and Davis are great inside options. Moore and Mims should be our outside guys.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2021, 02:32:52 PM
Crowder and Davis are great inside options. Moore and Mims should be our outside guys.
Uh, nah, Davis is our outside guy. He can play some slot, but with our personnel right now, he fits far better outside.

Moore can do outside work, but he's far better at the slot right now.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2021, 02:49:45 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1388295664862433282?s=21


Joe Douglas says that the #Jets did not draft Elijah Moore to replace Jamison Crowder.

This is the way
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 01, 2021, 03:01:47 PM
Uh, nah, Davis is our outside guy. He can play some slot, but with our personnel right now, he fits far better outside.

Moore can do outside work, but he's far better at the slot right now.
If we're going 4 WR sets I'd rather have Davis inside to leverage his size against interior  defenders than having both sub 6' WRs going up against inside safeties and LBs.

I feel like we'd get better results than mirroring the inside and outside personnel.

If they're not all on the field at the same time, put em wherever.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2021, 03:06:10 PM
If we're going 4 WR sets I'd rather have Davis inside to leverage his size against interior  defenders than having both sub 6' WRs going up against inside safeties and LBs.

I feel like we'd get better results than mirroring the inside and outside personnel.

If they're not all on the field at the same time, put em wherever.
49ers and Packers didn't really run any 4 WR sets last year, so not sure we will be doing a lot of that.

If all 4 are on the field at the same time, my guess is Moore is in the backfield.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 01, 2021, 03:09:51 PM
49ers and Packers didn't really run any 4 WR sets last year, so not sure we will be doing a lot of that.

If all 4 are on the field at the same time, my guess is Moore is in the backfield.
Well I don't see any of our TEs being consistent contributors on offense unless Herndon has a resurgence of his rookie season so we might have to flex on passing options.

Davis is tall and aggressive enough to fill that role.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on May 01, 2021, 03:21:35 PM
Well I don't see any of our TEs being consistent contributors on offense unless Herndon has a resurgence of his rookie season so we might have to flex on passing options.

Davis is tall and aggressive enough to fill that role.

I'm holding out hope that this will happen.  I want to chalk 2020 up to returning from a long injury, getting sober, and working in a miserable environment.  You could just see that his mind wasn't right on the field.  I think Saleh culture will do a lot for his mindset.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 01, 2021, 03:31:33 PM
I'm holding out hope that this will happen.  I want to chalk 2020 up to returning from a long injury, getting sober, and working in a miserable environment.  You could just see that his mind wasn't right on the field.  I think Saleh culture will do a lot for his mindset.
I'm hoping he turns it around but I also want a contingency plan. In my mind Davis playing inside snaps gives us something that we wouldn't have if Herndon was washed.

Ryan Griffin was a single season Sam Darnold safety blanket so I'm not holding my breath dor anything there.

Brown and other white guy we signed seem to be slightly better Mulligan clones.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on May 01, 2021, 08:17:11 PM
This guy will be the best pick of our draft.  I'm drunk.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2021, 08:45:08 PM
This guy will be the best pick of our draft.  I'm drunk.
Yeah he kinda feels like the biggest steal.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 03, 2021, 01:54:11 PM
https://twitter.com/00jets/status/1388988692031811584?s=21

Normal WR stuff
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2021, 02:00:47 PM
https://twitter.com/00jets/status/1388988692031811584?s=21

Normal WR stuff

Oh excrement
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on May 03, 2021, 02:04:23 PM
https://twitter.com/00jets/status/1388988692031811584?s=21

Normal WR stuff

The ball literally stuck to his hand almost as if it was photoshopped in there. Freaking nuts.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2021, 02:20:01 PM
Moore’s 149.1 yards per game is the most by a college receiver in a season since 2009.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2021, 02:38:07 PM
Moore’s 149.1 yards per game is the most by a college receiver in a season since 2009.
Who was the 2009 guy?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on May 04, 2021, 02:48:03 PM
Who was the 2009 guy?

Dunno, looks to me like Danario Alexander and Freddie Barnes topped that class with 137 and 136.15, respectively.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on May 04, 2021, 02:49:25 PM
Maybe some scrub from Ole Miss(Alaska) caught 200 yards in his only game and fucked up the chart.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2021, 03:03:39 PM
Dunno, looks to me like Danario Alexander and Freddie Barnes topped that class with 137 and 136.15, respectively.
I was thinking someone like AJ Green, but no.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2021, 03:17:33 PM
Moore’s 149.1 yards per game is the most by a college receiver in a season since 2009.
I'm calling shenanigans on this stat

But mostly I'm just annoyed I spent 15 minutes combing through the leaderboards of 2009 CFB
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 04, 2021, 03:30:21 PM
Technically, the stat is correct, but it's the most since Crabtree in 2007.

6th-most in FBS history. One former Jets draft pick is ahead of him.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2020/FBS.pdf page 57
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2021, 03:44:01 PM
Blame the official Jets twitter acct pretty sure that’s where I grabbed it from
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2021, 03:45:29 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1389613152409694215?s=21

Lol this sample size is weird AF and doesn’t answer Badgers question
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: ons on May 07, 2021, 10:11:34 AM
Quote
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
#Jets WR Elijah Moore said he & Zach Wilson have been talking to each other every day.

The two have been watching & sending each other’s highlights.

“I’m going to do whatever I can to make him look good, and vice-versa”

I'm ready for the season to start now.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2021, 10:22:47 AM
I'm ready for the season to start now.
The new Rodgers & Cobb
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 07, 2021, 10:39:11 AM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
Jets rookie WR Elijah Moore says he has been in contact almost every day with Zach Wilson.

“He’s like a general ... His passion comes out through the phone.”

On practicing with Wilson for the first time: “I’m ready to watch him look pretty throwing me balls.” #Jets
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 07, 2021, 01:15:17 PM
“I’m ready to watch him look pretty throwing me balls.” #Jets

fvckin pause.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 08, 2021, 02:32:00 PM
https://twitter.com/dbienaimenydn/status/1391083804656275462?s=21

Bean route
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Laxin on May 08, 2021, 08:30:58 PM
https://twitter.com/dbienaimenydn/status/1391083804656275462?s=21

Bean route

He's going to be open all day
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 09, 2021, 09:49:57 PM
Imagine if Dowell Loggains was still our OC instead of LaFleur
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on May 09, 2021, 10:52:10 PM
Imagine if Dowell Loggains was still our OC instead of LaFleur
Lafleur has never been an OC before. The possibility exists that he will be worse.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on May 09, 2021, 11:04:19 PM
Lafleur has never been an OC before. The possibility exists that he will be worse.

If we were talking about virtually any Oc ever aside from Loggains I’d agree. All that dude was capable of was fetching Gases coffee and sucking his dick. I’m not sure he’s capable of being an OC for any other coaching staff in college or the pros.

So Lafleur is almost certainly going to be better since he actually can coach the sport. How much better? A very legitimate question.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 09, 2021, 11:06:39 PM
I agree with the posters above. Should have kept Gase. It can always get worse.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on May 10, 2021, 07:22:00 AM
Imagine if Dowell Loggains was still our OC instead of LaFleur

I've completely wiped Derwell Ploppains from the history books.  Never to be spoken again.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2021, 09:37:17 AM
Lafleur has never been an OC before. The possibility exists that he will be worse.

2020 - Points: 32
       Yards: 32

2019 - Points: 31
       Yards: 32

Lowest total points scored (243 + 276) out of any of the offenses in the Gase/Bowles/Ryan eras.


Bring on “worse”, my body is ready.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2021, 10:02:15 AM
"LaFleur could be worse than Loggains" is as bad a take as "I'm not sure we're going to fire Gase" last midseason.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on May 10, 2021, 10:15:00 AM
"LaFleur could be worse than Loggains" is as bad a take as "I'm not sure we're going to fire Gase" last midseason.

agreed
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on May 10, 2021, 10:15:50 AM
"LaFleur could be worse than Loggains" is as bad a take as "I'm not sure we're going to fire Gase" last midseason.

My statement was "the possibility exists that". I don't for a moment believe it will be the case, I just derive mild enjoyment from putting a pin in the balloon of unbridled optimism that always surrounds new hires at this club.

#idzikdaninja
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2021, 10:20:12 AM
My statement was "the possibility exists that". I don't for a moment believe it will be the case, I just derive mild enjoyment from putting a pin in the balloon of unbridled optimism that always surrounds new hires at this club.

#idzikdaninja
That's a lot of words for "suggesting unlikely shitty things for no good reason."

Zach might choke on a pretzel and die this summer. It could happen!
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 10, 2021, 10:24:22 AM
all i needed to see to realize that the offensive staff was going to be night-and-day compared to the last was the footwork drills they put wilson through during the OTAs, which did not consist of a fat hobbit playing our OC tap-dancing on the field trying to teach a young QB about foot work

doesn't mean our offense is going to be good, but things are different now. seeing that clip of our fat midget OC working on footwork with sam was a totally unbecoming event for this franchise, and it was only the start of a 2 year hell
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 10, 2021, 11:08:28 AM
2020 - Points: 32
       Yards: 32

2019 - Points: 31
       Yards: 32

Lowest total points scored (243 + 276) out of any of the offenses in the Gase/Bowles/Ryan eras.


Bring on “worse”, my body is ready.

Honestly if he manages to do worse than this he deserves some kind official recognition.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2021, 11:55:51 AM
My statement was "the possibility exists that". I don't for a moment believe it will be the case, I just derive mild enjoyment from putting a pin in the balloon of unbridled optimism that always surrounds new hires at this club.

#idzikdaninja

Name 1 person who unironically wanted Dowell Loggains hired as our OC.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 10, 2021, 12:32:13 PM
Name 1 person who unironically wanted Dowell Loggains hired as our OC.

Adam Gase
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 12, 2021, 05:32:44 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/qM03p2Z/69-E85-AE2-0-FD9-4-FE4-A328-1-DD55575-E542.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BV45BY1)

Things you love to see
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on May 12, 2021, 05:52:12 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/qM03p2Z/69-E85-AE2-0-FD9-4-FE4-A328-1-DD55575-E542.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BV45BY1)

Things you love to see
Who invited the fat poopchute?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: delavan on May 12, 2021, 12:32:35 PM
I've completely wiped Derwell Ploppains from the history books.  Never to be spoken again.


Bowel Logjams raised a lotta red flags
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 12, 2021, 01:03:50 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/qM03p2Z/69-E85-AE2-0-FD9-4-FE4-A328-1-DD55575-E542.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BV45BY1)

Things you love to see

this is wilson trying to rehabilitate his image after those liked trump tweets and that video of him feeling awkward around black people were revealed
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on May 17, 2021, 11:21:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0dA-G-YUF0

this is high quality #content
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2021, 06:27:14 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/05/18/elijah-moores-elite-skillset-should-have-jets-drooling/
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 21, 2021, 09:30:11 AM
https://nypost.com/2021/05/18/elijah-moores-elite-skillset-should-have-jets-drooling/

Promising to know he smoked Jaycee Horn in his first game at Ole Miss
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2021, 09:31:19 AM
Promising to know he smoked Jaycee Horn in his first game at Ole Miss

he's gonna smoke Jaycee Horn again in Week 1 of the season.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on May 21, 2021, 09:37:36 AM
he's gonna smoke Jaycee Horn again in Week 1 of the season.

He probably won't play much week 1. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 21, 2021, 09:40:42 AM
He probably won't play much week 1. 

Horn or Moore?

Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on May 21, 2021, 09:41:18 AM
Horn or Moore?



Moore
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2021, 09:45:47 AM
He probably won't play much week 1. 

what makes you say that?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on May 21, 2021, 09:58:38 AM
what makes you say that?
Crowder is the starter in the slot.  He'll get some snaps, don't get me wrong, but who's coming off the field for him?  He'll get some gadgety stuff too, but I'd be surprised if he gets more snaps that Davis, Mims, or Crowder. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 21, 2021, 09:58:56 AM
what makes you say that?

Because nothing will happen.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on May 21, 2021, 09:59:31 AM
Because nothing will happen.
This too.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on May 21, 2021, 10:03:23 AM
It's not a problem we've had in forever, so it seems foreign, but we have a good number of solid WRs and only so many snaps.  We aren't running 4 WRs sets or anything that much.  Doesn't even include Keelan Cole.  I'm overstating it a bit when I say he won't play much, but he isn't going to be on the field most of the time. That may change as the season goes along with injuries and if he starts to flash.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on May 21, 2021, 10:05:33 AM
Crowder is the starter in the slot.  He'll get some snaps, don't get me wrong, but who's coming off the field for him?  He'll get some gadgety stuff too, but I'd be surprised if he gets more snaps that Davis, Mims, or Crowder. 

Yeah but we're going to cut Crowder because it's the only way we can get better.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 21, 2021, 10:09:26 AM
Yeah but we're going to cut Crowder because it's the only way we can get better.

Cutting Crowder is all about

(https://i.imgur.com/Po7ngsi.jpg)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2021, 10:38:33 AM
Crowder is the starter in the slot.  He'll get some snaps, don't get me wrong, but who's coming off the field for him?  He'll get some gadgety stuff too, but I'd be surprised if he gets more snaps that Davis, Mims, or Crowder. 

This kid will be better than Crowder
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on May 21, 2021, 10:40:43 AM
This kid will be better than Crowder
Maybe, but we are talking about week 1.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2021, 10:42:52 AM
Maybe, but we are talking about week 1.

We'll see what happens
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on May 21, 2021, 10:50:52 AM
We'll see what happens

3 catches 23 yards
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2021, 11:05:00 AM
3 catches 23 yards

You know we fired Dowell Loggains, right?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on May 21, 2021, 11:10:05 AM
You know we fired Dowell Loggains, right?
2 catches 11 yards, fumble.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2021, 11:13:23 AM
2 catches 11 yards, fumble.


all gas no brakes
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 21, 2021, 02:38:54 PM
Moore will compete for a job. If he's as good as advertised, there is no reason why he can't compete for playing time with anyone else on the roster. Mims isn't a sure thing. Davis is good, but he's not a star. Crowder is good in the slot, but Moore could end up being more explosive.

Most likely, he doesn't play a ton early in the season, but I assume they will try to get him on the field a number of different ways. I still think he'll line up in the backfield on 3rd downs more than some might think.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on May 21, 2021, 02:48:34 PM
Deebo Samuel was heavily involved in SF's offense as a rookie.  I don't see why Moore wouldn't get a lot of work early.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 21, 2021, 03:19:42 PM
Yet another problem that can be solved by cuttomg Crowder, to include extra cap space for no reason, racism, and moose tracks ice cream not being available in my local grocery store.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 21, 2021, 04:52:45 PM
Maybe, but we are talking about week 1.

did crowder make aj brown cry tho
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on May 21, 2021, 05:07:05 PM
did crowder make aj brown cry tho

the defense rests, your honor.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: dcm1602 on May 22, 2021, 07:29:14 AM
Does Crowder have trade value with his current deal?

Because cutting the best offensive weapon on your team has some bad optics to it.

Trading him makes it a little more palatable.

Not to mention with all the NFLPA nonsense + covid who the freak knows how much practice time these young guys get.

Could make VETS all the more effective early in the season.

Not to mention we gotta whole lot of unproven talent in the wideout room.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 22, 2021, 03:14:19 PM
Does Crowder have trade value with his current deal?

Because cutting the best offensive weapon on your team has some bad optics to it.

Trading him makes it a little more palatable.

Not to mention with all the NFLPA nonsense + covid who the freak knows how much practice time these young guys get.

Could make VETS all the more effective early in the season.

Not to mention we gotta whole lot of unproven talent in the wideout room.
Being our best offensive weapon last season doesn't necessarily make him our best one this year.

You hope that Mims takes a step forward this year, Davis continues to improve, and Moore makes an instant impact.

I'd probably rather just keep Crowder and let people compete. Moore doesn't have to play right away if he isn't ready. And Davis, Crowder and Mims have all had injuries in their past, so there's no guarantee they stay healthy.

Getting rid of Crowder only makes sense if
- you only want to play Moore in the slot, Moore is ready to play, and Crowder blocks him
- you need that extra money to pay for a cornerback or some other position
- you think Crowder would be a problem in the locker room if he isn't a focal point of the offense/loses some reps
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on May 22, 2021, 03:45:33 PM
Our tight ends suck.  Go four wide and spread defenses out.

Crowder and Moore on the field together is a problem.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 22, 2021, 04:08:48 PM
Our tight ends suck.  Go four wide and spread defenses out.

This. Especially this:

Our tight ends suck.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 22, 2021, 07:43:48 PM
I'm still hoping we get something out of Herndon.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on May 22, 2021, 07:58:30 PM
I'm still hoping we get something out of Herndon.

I'm still hoping that Mark Sanchez takes the next step but that doesn't look very likely either.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on June 16, 2021, 09:05:24 PM
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/86903/jets-have-been-waiting-two-decades-for-wr-prospect-like-elijah-moore
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on June 16, 2021, 09:40:41 PM
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/86903/jets-have-been-waiting-two-decades-for-wr-prospect-like-elijah-moore

All of my Stuckey-Kerley-McKnight-Saunders-Burnett dashed dreams of the scrappiest of slot receivers will come to life in The Prophet Elijah.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 16, 2021, 10:41:37 PM
Maybe, but we are talking about week 1.

Ah yes, week 1, where Corey Davis and Mims definitely won’t be out with hamstrings and Braxton Berrios is WR1
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on June 16, 2021, 10:42:58 PM
Is it too early to declare him the next Steve Smith Sr?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 16, 2021, 11:03:46 PM
Is it too early to declare him the next Steve Smith Sr?

Let’s start with Steve Smith Jr.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2021, 06:14:19 AM
Let’s start with Steve Smith Jr.
Or Jerry Rice
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on June 17, 2021, 06:43:10 AM
Ah yes, week 1, where Corey Davis and Mims definitely won’t be out with hamstrings and Braxton Berrios is WR1
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsFwsrRnSG0y31bE7k_kFu-8qacI54F8V9CA&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on July 21, 2021, 10:07:35 PM
Rookie deal signed
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on August 05, 2021, 01:04:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1423255307308965888?s=20
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 05, 2021, 01:20:07 PM
Rookie big mad. I like it.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 05, 2021, 01:29:52 PM
The Giants suck, but it will be fun watching Elijah Moore clearly outproduce Kadarius Toney for the next 3 years before Toney gets cut and Moore is traded after clashing with management.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2021, 07:53:29 AM
From reddit

(https://i.redd.it/skwno3pqhnf71.jpg)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2021, 12:31:25 PM
https://twitter.com/1kalwaysopen_/status/1425481996655026179?s=21
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 11, 2021, 03:07:10 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1447652291603992578?t=9E6uTu1vPBA-d2jDCD39og&s=19
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 11, 2021, 03:25:15 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1447652291603992578?t=9E6uTu1vPBA-d2jDCD39og&s=19

I've seen nothing out of Elijah Moore to suggest he's one of our top playmakers. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 11, 2021, 03:37:41 PM
I've seen nothing out of Elijah Moore to suggest he's one of our top playmakers.
The bar is low.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 11, 2021, 04:01:00 PM
He tends to get open, but he hasn't done a whole lot yet. He did have that big play on that corner route out-of-bounds. He also drew a PI this week. But he needs to do more.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 11, 2021, 05:43:33 PM
We really have a bunch of personnel issues

Get the playmakers on the field. That said Moore needs to actually make a play. At least Mims has made a couple big grabs
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Laxin on October 11, 2021, 09:32:53 PM
I really don't think this team is lacking playmakers. Sure, it doesn't have an elite WR as we know, but Davis, Crowder, Cole, Mims and Moore should be enough to succeed on paper.

Part of me thinks Lafleur just isn't using them correctly, plus Zach has been inaccurate and the OL was trash for 3ish games. An above average QB and OC would make this group look more than capable IMO.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on November 04, 2021, 06:40:40 AM
Interesting group of names here

https://twitter.com/PFF_Jarad/status/1455229866895450121?s=20
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 04, 2021, 07:22:36 AM
Interesting group of names here

https://twitter.com/PFF_Jarad/status/1455229866895450121?s=20

So a struggling rookie QB who had issues hitting open receivers, a QB who has bottomed out after losing his starting RB, and the most replaceable starting QB in the league.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 21, 2021, 02:34:10 PM
https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1462518241197232132

WR1
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on November 24, 2021, 07:19:26 AM
Quote
Field Yates
@FieldYates
·
6m
Elijah Moore's last four games:
* 6 catches, 67 yards
* 7 catches, 84 yards, 2 TD
* 3 catches, 44 yards, 1 TD
* 8 catches, 141 yards, 1 TD

The Jets found themselves a keeper at WR.


Now we need Moore to build that chemistry with Uncle Zach
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 24, 2021, 03:59:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQ47RKsTKo
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 24, 2021, 04:04:24 PM
Man, I loved watching his film after we took him. So explosive with the ball in his hands, but he also had sure hands and a great route runner. And NFL receivers have raved about him since we drafted him. Even earlier this week, A.J. Brown cited Moore as someone who helped him through his mental health issues. Seems like we drafted a great player and a great person, and it's exciting we finally have a playmaker on offense.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on November 24, 2021, 04:07:34 PM
Those shortened, speed outs to the flat are so nice
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 24, 2021, 04:23:42 PM
had an extremely SOJF thought earlier this week. was afraid of moore becoming so good in a couple of years time that he'd get tired of the losing we may very well continue to have and want out

lmao
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 28, 2021, 03:51:19 PM
Man, I love this kid.
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1465075600331354113
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on November 28, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
Man, I love this kid.
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1465075600331354113
Great kid, we could probably trade him right now for a 1st rounder in 2024.  Strike while the iron's hot.  If we play our cards right, we could get a good rookie WR for him.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on November 28, 2021, 04:07:44 PM
Great kid, we could probably trade him right now for a 1st rounder in 2024.  Strike while the iron's hot.  If we play our cards right, we could get a good rookie WR for him.
I know you're joking...but with much respect, stfu.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on November 28, 2021, 04:08:46 PM
I know you're joking...but with much respect, stfu.
We could trade MB for Zace and a beef brisket.  Deal?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on November 28, 2021, 04:19:16 PM
We could trade MB for Zace and a beef brisket.  Deal?
freak off, Idzik.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on November 28, 2021, 04:26:54 PM
freak off, Idzik.
Potential coup.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on November 28, 2021, 10:06:20 PM
We could trade MB for Zace and a beef brisket.  Deal?

Is a Zace who goes to tailgates better or worse than an MB who doesn't?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on November 28, 2021, 10:11:03 PM
Is a Zace who goes to tailgates better or worse than an MB who doesn't?
Just be happy you were in attendance with me at a previous tailgate.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on December 07, 2021, 01:50:34 PM
Quote
Danny Kelly
@DannyBKelly

Elijah Moore is fifth in the NFL in receiving yards (459) over the past six weeks and is tied for first in touchdowns (5) in that stretch.

Somebody needs to come up with an appropriately reverential name for this thread cuz Moore gud.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on December 07, 2021, 01:53:48 PM
Somebody needs to come up with an appropriately reverential name for this thread cuz Moore gud.

Moore TDs pleez


EDIT:  damn that's lame.  I'm out
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on December 07, 2021, 02:02:56 PM
The Book of Elijah
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on December 07, 2021, 02:06:04 PM
The Book of Elijah

provided that Elijah McGuire doesn't find his way back here.


thread title changed.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on December 07, 2021, 02:08:46 PM
My next shitty suggestion was going to be Eliacocca
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 07, 2021, 02:59:45 PM
My next shitty suggestion was going to be Eliacocca

That's terrible and you should feel bad.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on December 07, 2021, 03:00:16 PM
That's terrible and you should feel bad.
Having no shame is my super power
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on December 07, 2021, 03:05:03 PM
My next shitty suggestion was going to be Eliacocca
Eli Cloaca?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2021, 11:09:08 PM
Quote
No WR has more receiving TDs since Week 9 than Jets rookie Elijah Moore (5)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on December 08, 2021, 12:00:56 PM
Quote
Moore (quad) won't practice Wednesday.

Spin: According to Jets coach Robert Saleh, Moore is day-to-day as Sunday's game against the Saints approaches, with the team hopeful that the rookie wideout will be able to suit up this weekend, Eric Allen of the Jets' official site reports. On the plus side for New York, which placed Corey Davis (groin) on IR on Tuesday, Keelan Cole is slated to practice Wednesday after coming off the reserve/COVID-19 list.

For freak's sake.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on December 08, 2021, 12:43:24 PM
For freak's sake.
Ammmendola could prolly sub in for a.few plays.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on December 08, 2021, 03:24:57 PM
https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1468692787801563147

Jesus, can we sign anyone with a different name?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 08, 2021, 04:03:33 PM
Forgot Keelan Cole existed
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 09, 2021, 10:34:06 AM
https://twitter.com/e_moore03/status/1468753879290548228?s=21

Tha Dedication 8
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 09, 2021, 08:36:57 PM
https://twitter.com/e_moore03/status/1468753879290548228?s=21

Tha Dedication 8

this is how it begins and we love it

there's a timeline where this devolves to him putting up clips of himself with 'going back to cali' playing in the background after he maneuvers a move to LA

excrement better not happen

he's so good
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 09, 2021, 09:13:51 PM
Everyone on the team can be named Elijah or Michael Carter. We seem to have the most success with them.

He better play Sunday. Ugh.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on December 09, 2021, 09:15:45 PM
this is how it begins and we love it

there's a timeline where this devolves to him putting up clips of himself with 'going back to cali' playing in the background after he maneuvers a move to LA

excrement better not happen

he's so good
All luv
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 09, 2021, 11:20:52 PM
Inb4 dcm spins this as a positive so we can evaluate Jeff Smith
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: casman02 on December 11, 2021, 02:36:06 PM
Quote
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
·
5m
BREAKING: The #Jets are placing WR Elijah Moore on the injured reserve, per sources.





What the freak is going on here!
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 11, 2021, 02:41:32 PM
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/3o7WTqo27pLRYxRtg4/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b952b41552a01bba6d36cf2496a06e3a80f64aa87809&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on December 11, 2021, 02:41:44 PM
uuuuuuuuuggggghhhh
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 11, 2021, 02:42:34 PM




What the freak is going on here!

damn

the world has a 'fvck ya life' mantra to the jets
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 11, 2021, 02:42:56 PM
If we don't wind up with Hutch or Thibs after suffering through all this bullshit...
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2021, 02:43:05 PM




What the freak is going on here!
A quad injury is going on here
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on December 11, 2021, 02:44:23 PM
The Book of Elijah

Cursed thread title, shut it down
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2021, 02:44:28 PM
Funny story...I tweaked my right quad at the gym this morning. I wouldn't play thru this either.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2021, 02:45:13 PM
Cursed thread title, shut it down
Eliacocca?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 11, 2021, 02:50:31 PM
How does a guy go from questionable on Wednesday to out a minimum of three weeks on Saturday?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on December 11, 2021, 02:51:40 PM
How does a guy go from questionable on Wednesday to out a minimum of three weeks on Saturday?

Maybe he tried to push through it and made it worse.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 11, 2021, 02:53:42 PM
I feel like whatever vengeful spirit haunts this franchise heard Saleh describe himself as an eternal optimist and thought "we'll freaking see about that..."
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 11, 2021, 02:58:39 PM
Maybe he tried to push through it and made it worse.

You're probably right but it's incredible how on the distribution of outcomes this team always seems to find itself on the "fucked in the derriere" end of the spectrum.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 11, 2021, 03:07:55 PM
More than a quarter of our cap is on IR.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 11, 2021, 03:14:09 PM
More than a quarter of our cap is on IR.

Wasn’tthis the same situation last season? How does this keep happening?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2021, 03:14:23 PM
Vyyyy Syyyyy syyyzyyn
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 11, 2021, 03:19:08 PM
Wasn’t this the same situation last season? How does this keep happening?

That was two seasons ago, when we were second behind the Lions with 34% of our cap on IR by season's end. Last season, we were apparently in the middle of the pack with just under 15% of our cap on IR. This is all according to Spotrac.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 11, 2021, 03:19:48 PM
Ugh. So depressing. Was hoping Zach Wilson would repeat what Darnold and Geno did and play well at the end of his freshman year to provide hope. That's suddenly a lot more difficult.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2021, 03:22:18 PM
Sucks because he's key to Wilson's development.


But since we can't fight fate....bring on Thibs or Hutch.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 11, 2021, 03:25:36 PM
Here's what Zach will have at his disposal tomorrow:

RB: Ty Johnson, Austin Walter, La'Mical Perine
WR: Jamison Crowder, Keelan Cole, Braxton Berrios, Denzel Mims, Jeff Smith, Vyncint Smith
TE: Ryan Griffin (maybe), Kenny Yeboah
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on December 11, 2021, 03:26:28 PM
Wasn’tthis the same situation last season? How does this keep happening?

Better players work harder, get more reps, take more hits. I don't know if anyone has done the math but it would be my guess that there's a correlation between how much players earn and how frequently they get injured.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2021, 03:26:50 PM
Here's what Zach will have at his disposal tomorrow:

RB: Ty Johnson, Austin Walter, La'Mical Perine
WR: Jamison Crowder, Keelan Cole, Braxton Berrios, Denzel Mims, Jeff Smith, Vyncint Smith
TE: Ryan Griffin (maybe), Kenny Yeboah

One of those wideouts will be locked down by Lattimore.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on December 11, 2021, 03:27:47 PM
One of those wideouts will be locked down by Lattimore.

Can't get your #1 receiver locked down if you don't have a #1 receiver.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 11, 2021, 03:27:53 PM
One of those wideouts will be locked down by Lattimore.
Lattimore might just take the week off.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 11, 2021, 03:29:10 PM
If the team decided to sit Wilson until Moore and/or Carter come back, I'd support it.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2021, 03:30:07 PM
Lattimore might just take the week off.

I'm wondering if Taysom Hill is going to run 150+ yards on this D tomorrow...
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2021, 03:31:15 PM
You guys are vastly underestimating the Berrios effect.

Minimum 2 TDs, 130 yards.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: delavan on December 11, 2021, 03:53:54 PM
You're probably right but it's incredible how on the distribution of outcomes this team always seems to find itself on the "fucked in the derriere" end of the spectrum.

Yup, right in the fuckin derriere

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Saints_Cheerleaders_with_Saint_Bernard.jpg/565px-Saints_Cheerleaders_with_Saint_Bernard.jpg)

Sunday: WhoDat? vs. WhatTheFuck?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: insanity on December 11, 2021, 08:54:52 PM
I'm positive Joe Namath made a deal with the devil and u til he dies this franchise will do nothing
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 11, 2021, 09:17:01 PM
I'm positive Joe Namath made a deal with the devil and u til he dies this franchise will do nothing

I'll believe this if Belichick's retirement immediately follows Namath kicking the bucket.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on December 11, 2021, 10:49:14 PM
Cursed thread title, shut it down
:(
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on December 11, 2021, 11:05:33 PM
lol
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 11, 2021, 11:58:03 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on December 12, 2021, 06:20:09 AM
Nice.
Eliacocca?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 12, 2021, 05:27:12 PM
This thread title is awful and you should be ashamed.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 12, 2021, 08:07:00 PM
Eliacocca?

Like, I don't even know what you're trying to do here.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on December 12, 2021, 08:24:43 PM
Like, I don't even know what you're trying to do here.
This is the way
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: delavan on December 13, 2021, 10:57:51 PM
Eliacocca?

ImogeneCoca

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Imogene_Coca_and_King_Donovan_1968.JPG/206px-Imogene_Coca_and_King_Donovan_1968.JPG)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imogene_Coca
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2022, 06:52:21 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1579500374456643584
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 10, 2022, 11:52:49 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1579500374456643584
Still one of the funniest ends to a game in the history of sports. It's especially funny since he seems to be a great guy off the field (at least to AJ Brown).
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 16, 2022, 07:56:25 PM
https://twitter.com/e_moore03/status/1581809491930058752
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 16, 2022, 07:57:45 PM
https://twitter.com/e_moore03/status/1581809491930058752
Wouldn't it be easier to not say 75% of that tweet and just say he's happy we're winning?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 16, 2022, 07:58:38 PM
Wouldn't it be easier to not say 75% of that tweet and just say he's happy we're winning?
He wants people to know he's upset without formally saying he's upset.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 16, 2022, 08:00:56 PM
Moore had a couple of big catches on that early TD drive against the Steelers but that's really been it.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 16, 2022, 08:02:05 PM
He wants people to know he's upset without formally saying he's upset.
Cat's already out of the bag though, anything short of sunshine and roses from him is gonna come across as complaining now.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 16, 2022, 08:03:39 PM
Squeaky wheel gets the grease
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 16, 2022, 08:05:56 PM
sooner or later there's going to be a huge zach wilson / WR breakout game. it's building
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 16, 2022, 08:06:11 PM
He's underutilized.  Without a doubt.  But...

He's got to start winning on his routes.  I think he might have fallen into the rookie trap of taking things easy during his first offseason, because he just doesn't look as explosive as he did last season.  That 4.3 speed was always bullshit because it was a pro day measurement, but he's fast enough to win in the NFL.  He's just got to beat his man more consistently.

The last thing he needs to do is bitch about his usage after a win on twitter.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 16, 2022, 08:06:31 PM
I thought we targeted Moore on a deep shot, but maybe there was a penalty (or maybe the throw was so far off it was deemed a throwaway).
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 16, 2022, 08:21:56 PM
Whatever we were doing in the first half in the passing game was a disaster.

We also felt the need to keep targeting whomever Jaire Alexander was covering. I hope LaFluer really evaluates what went wrong and figured out how to spread the ball around. No reason to target Garret Wilson so much when he is not winning and covered by Alexander when we have other weapons in Davis and Moore
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2022, 10:23:11 AM
I thought we targeted Moore on a deep shot, but maybe there was a penalty (or maybe the throw was so far off it was deemed a throwaway).

14:11 remaining in the 2nd quarter. The ball lands about 5 yards in front of him.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: delavan on October 17, 2022, 12:35:30 PM
He's underutilized.  Without a doubt.  But...

He's got to start winning on his routes.
Miles Austin?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Miamipuck on October 17, 2022, 12:51:18 PM
Jesus what's with whiny receivers. Just shut the freak up already. The team is winning no one cares you didn't have 15 catches for 200 yards.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2022, 12:51:36 PM
We completed 10 passes on 18 attempts this week. People are going to get squeezed out of the passing game if the volume is that low.

I like Moore a lot, but Garrett Wilson is better. Corey Davis has stepped up and Davis and Wilson have a better rapport than Moore and Wilson. So he's probably WR3 on our pecking order. We also want to get the tight ends involved in the passing game. We also want to get the running backs involved in the passing game.

And yeah, we could try to manufacture reverses and jet sweeps for Moore, but Berrios is more effective in that role.

I would obviously like to see more than 0 targets, but we've attempted 39 passes the last two weeks combined. Moore literally tied for the team lead in targets just one week ago.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2022, 12:54:29 PM
We completed 10 passes for 18 yards this week. People are going to get squeezed out of the passing game if the volume is that low.

I like Moore a lot, but Garrett Wilson is better. Corey Davis has stepped up and Davis and Wilson have a better rapport than Moore and Wilson. So he's probably WR3 on our pecking order. We also want to get the tight ends involved in the passing game. We also want to get the running backs involved in the passing game.

And yeah, we could try to manufacture reverses and jet sweeps for Moore, but Berrios is more effective in that role.

I would obviously like to see more than 0 targets, but we've attempted 39 passes the last two weeks combined. Moore literally tied for the team lead in targets just one week ago.

Attempts?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2022, 12:58:18 PM
Attempts?
Yes, that.

When you throw 18 times, and you have 3 receivers, 2 tight ends and 2 running backs you want to get involved, not even including Berrios, someone isn't getting the ball.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 17, 2022, 01:11:38 PM


And yeah, we could try to manufacture reverses and jet sweeps for Moore, but Berrios is more effective in that role.



wat
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2022, 01:25:25 PM
wat
We could try to manufacture reverses and jet sweeps for Moore, but Berrios is more effective in that role.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 17, 2022, 01:51:43 PM
We could try to manufacture reverses and jet sweeps for Moore, but Berrios is more effective in that role.

false
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 17, 2022, 01:53:02 PM
false

According to what, Berrios is lethal on those sweeps. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 17, 2022, 01:54:57 PM
According to what, Berrios is lethal on those sweeps. 

So is Moore, and he's faster.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 17, 2022, 02:00:18 PM
So is Moore, and he's faster.
Not a gym rat though. Berrios is deceptively fast.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 17, 2022, 02:00:36 PM
he's faster.

nah
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2022, 02:01:53 PM
and he's faster.
false
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 17, 2022, 02:01:57 PM
hey..i love Berrios.  But Moore needs to get involved more, and he's the better receiver. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 17, 2022, 02:02:33 PM
false

You been reading Walder's toilet journal again?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2022, 02:06:56 PM
The MBGreen formula
1. Make incorrect shitpost
2. Get proven wrong
3. Double down on shitpost
4. Get proven wrong again
5. Change argument and deflect
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 17, 2022, 02:10:48 PM
Of all the adjustments I need to see from Mike LaFleur, taking away sweeps/reverses from a player who just made house calls with them in back-to-back weeks to placate a twitter whiner is not among them.

Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2022, 02:12:51 PM
Of all the adjustments I need to see from Mike LaFleur, taking away sweeps/reverses from a player who just made house calls with them in back-to-back weeks to placate a twitter whiner is not among them.



Seems like it was our more consistent way of scoring last season as well.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2022, 02:14:30 PM
Of all the adjustments I need to see from Mike LaFleur, taking away sweeps/reverses from a player who just made house calls with them in back-to-back weeks to placate a twitter whiner is not among them.


Agreed. Berrios does great in that role and has been great in that role this season. And Berrios gets virtually no targets otherwise after being our most consistent WR last season. He has just as much of a reason to gripe as Moore.

I also don't think what Moore said is that bad. I'm sure he's frustrated by not getting the ball. Him acknowledging that isn't that big of a deal. I would prefer him not say anything at all, but unless he starts loafing on the field or causing locker room issues, it's a non-issue for me.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 17, 2022, 02:16:53 PM
Of all the adjustments I need to see from Mike LaFleur, taking away sweeps/reverses from a player who just made house calls with them in back-to-back weeks to placate a twitter whiner is not among them.

If LaFleur can manufacture touches for Berrios, why can't he do the same for Moore?

As jet sweep or screen to Moore is better than having Wilson roll to his left and heave it down field in his direction when he's covered.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 17, 2022, 02:19:04 PM
If we want to get defenders out of the box, we've got to start hitting play action deep and throwing screens. 

We threw a tight end screen yesterday that went for a nice chunk of yards.  Why aren't we getting the ball into the hands of one of our potential playmakers? 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 17, 2022, 02:19:05 PM
The MBGreen formula
1. Make incorrect shitpost
2. Get proven wrong
3. Double down on shitpost
4. Get proven wrong again
5. Change argument and deflect

Show me where i was incorrect.  Make sure you start with Moore and Berrios' 40 times, so i can imagine you taking that first bite into that turd sandwich.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 17, 2022, 02:20:34 PM
tell us more about MLF's excellent playcalling, Mack.....since you're so into shitposting.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 17, 2022, 02:25:43 PM
The Mack formula:

1. Get bad haircut
2. post stupid takes on JO
3. forgets to put a hat on
4. gets randomly punched in the face in public.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2022, 02:27:50 PM
Show me where i was incorrect.  Make sure you start with Moore and Berrios' 40 times, so i can imagine you taking that first bite into that turd sandwich.
Next gen stats have Berrios faster than Moore.

Moore ran at a pro day. Those numbers are always inflated, especially at Ole Miss. Plus, 40 numbers in shorts that are several years old arent that relevant anymore. 

Berrios is probably slightly faster based on what they have shown in the NFL. Stats that track that back that up.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 17, 2022, 02:33:13 PM
Next gen stats have Berrios faster than Moore.



link?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2022, 02:35:51 PM
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1582088177447075840?s=20&t=i40HR43pj245v-bcdRPDqg (https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1582088177447075840?s=20&t=i40HR43pj245v-bcdRPDqg)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2022, 02:42:57 PM
link?
I looked mine up on a site that is paywalled so I don't really have a link.

But Berrios always puts up high speed numbers.

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1579483528873775104?s=20&t=H3y1AGdteFRvWdeZg02KKQ

Search Berrios mph on Twitter and you will get a lot of results for some of his fastest runs. Have not seen an example for Moore on a brief search.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 17, 2022, 02:46:33 PM
MLF needs to get his head out of his derriere and incorporate Moore into the offense. There is zero excuses to not have a WR we drafted in the 2nd be in a position to catch a freaking ball.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 17, 2022, 02:48:07 PM
If LaFleur can manufacture touches for Berrios, why can't he do the same for Moore?

As jet sweep or screen to Moore is better than having Wilson roll to his left and heave it down field in his direction when he's covered.


Yeah, no argument here, we should be leaning on running plays - including sweeps but especially power running - much more than we have.  Some of those plays should involve Moore.  But Berrios has carried the ball five times for three first downs and two touchdowns this season.  He's taking his infrequent opportunities and cashing them in.

Moore, on the other hand, was on the field for >90% of plays in the first four weeks but consistently had difficulty working against man coverage and making the most of his targets.  So his play counts have dropped to 66% and 58% in the last two weeks, as can be expected.  It's not a conspiracy to keep him off the field, he just needs to make more of his opportunities. 

Complaining about it and acting bewildered is a bitch move. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 17, 2022, 04:20:06 PM
How about our boy genius OC just starts learning how to incorporate all of his weapons into the gameplan?

Though I'm not sure I ever remember a time in my fandom of this team where we could argue about getting more touches for our 3rd and 4th string WRs--not even counting the backs and TEs into the equation.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2022, 04:39:07 PM
How about our boy genius OC just starts learning how to incorporate all of his weapons into the gameplan?

Though I'm not sure I ever remember a time in my fandom of this team where we could argue about getting more touches for our 3rd and 4th string WRs--not even counting the backs and TEs into the equation.
Last week, people complained about not using the tight ends enough in the passing game. Now it's Moore. Next week, it will be someone else. When you throw it 20 times a game, someone isn't getting the ball. When we threw it 40 times a game, people complained, too.

We have a lot of weapons. It's a good problem to have. It's on LaFleur to make the offense productive and to keep everyone happy. This has been one of the more productive offenses we've had in a while, despite generally bad QB play.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2022, 04:53:13 PM
Moore not getting the targets is frustrating but our QB play really isn't there until the second half.

I'm all for more screens if we can make it work. Moore was a second round pick who showed a lot of explosiveness last season so not finding ways to get him the ball is pretty frustrating.

Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 17, 2022, 07:26:02 PM


It's not a conspiracy to keep him off the field, he just needs to make more of his opportunities.

QFMFT
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: ons on October 17, 2022, 09:04:02 PM
Moore did have a target yesterday *on the play that was called back for a 'chop-block'

https://twitter.com/i/status/1582180927471751168

Seems silly to have him continuing to be the first read on these go routes. It's definitely the coverage that they wanted, and if Moore kept running I think the throw looks on target, but Moore is never coming down with the ball. Only chance that is ever completed is if Zach throws it back shoulder, but with that tight coverage even that isn't a high percentage option.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 17, 2022, 09:17:39 PM
Moore did have a target yesterday *on the play that was called back for a 'chop-block'

https://twitter.com/i/status/1582180927471751168

Seems silly to have him continuing to be the first read on these go routes. It's definitely the coverage that they wanted, and if Moore kept running I think the throw looks on target, but Moore is never coming down with the ball. Only chance that is ever completed is if Zach throws it back shoulder, but with that tight coverage even that isn't a high percentage option.

See if you're not even close to beating your man in these one-on-one situations - week in, week out - I don't know how you can complain the ball isn't coming your way more often.  You're routinely covered, dude.

Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 17, 2022, 09:45:04 PM
Get bad haircut

lmaoooooooooo
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Coach K on October 18, 2022, 09:50:05 AM
Damn what did I step into

We're a decent team now guys I thought thus in fighting was only when we sucked and we sucked so long maybe we all forgot why we're here in the first place

Spread the love  #GreenHornet #Abyzmul #624
#ToughestSOB #CreedVocalist #TennisIsForToughGuys
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2022, 10:33:46 AM
Damn what did I step into

We're a decent team now guys I thought thus in fighting was only when we sucked and we sucked so long maybe we all forgot why we're here in the first place

Spread the love  #GreenHornet #Abyzmul #624
#ToughestSOB #CreedVocalist #TennisIsForToughGuys


Smug Derek Smalls always brings out my finer qualities.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2022, 12:34:50 PM
Personal day for Elijah Moore from practice (not from Twitter).

I'm not really worried, but it's definitely worth monitoring.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 20, 2022, 12:40:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/6H9aRgK.png)

God: Get open.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 20, 2022, 12:47:35 PM
Has he tried DMing the Almighty?

This guy is starting to feel like a complete drama queen. I get you're pissed at the lack of targets, and that's OK, but making it into a social media production can freak all the way off.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 20, 2022, 12:50:32 PM
I get you're pissed at the lack of targets

Davis only has 4 more targets than him.  We have pretty even distribution.  He's just a complete whiner and needs to realize he is a WR3 right now.

I do think that LaFleur could do more to get him involved though. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2022, 01:05:42 PM
Davis only has 4 more targets than him.  We have pretty even distribution.  He's just a complete whiner and needs to realize he is a WR3 right now.

I do think that LaFleur could do more to get him involved though. 
Agreed. We can do more to get him involved, but we have a lot of mouths to feed on offense, and our passing volume is relatively low if things go according to plan.

The Twitter stuff doesn't really bother me. It could lead to nothing. It could lead to something. But right now, it's mostly nothing.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 20, 2022, 01:25:58 PM
Why does he have to talk to god on Twitter?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2022, 01:29:41 PM
Why does he have to talk to god on Twitter?
He doesn't have to, and it brings about more potential issues, but we also don't have to listen to him.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Gorilla on October 20, 2022, 01:30:21 PM
Has he tried DMing the Almighty?


"Back of the line, helpless children around the world being tortured and cancer babies and cancer folks in general (totally not My fault probably, and if it is I have an amazing plan that would blow your mind trust me...) , I need to direct the paths of a excrement-TON of professional millionaire athletes. So many paths to personally direct, I'm omni-dizzy! I've already created them with incredible genes and physical gifts, unlike all the wonky legs and cloudy-derriere eyes and flipper hands I gave so many of you losers lulz, plus I also direct what sports teams they end up on (just like when I specifically direct the horrific moment I need your 5-year-old as an angel up here to play a sweet harp for Me). "


Davis only has 4 more targets than him.  We have pretty even distribution.  He's just a complete whiner and needs to realize he is a WR3 right now.

I do think that LaFleur could do more to get him involved though. 

Agreed. The run game and Breece are running this offense and leading to W's  right now, so our abundance of WR talent are complimentary pieces.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: mj2sexay on October 20, 2022, 02:06:28 PM
The obvious situation where two things can be true;

1. They're winning kid, STFU.

2. LaFleur has done an awful job utilizing his skillset.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 20, 2022, 02:06:59 PM
If he's out this week because he's sad, I'm done with the guy. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: mj2sexay on October 20, 2022, 02:26:48 PM
If he's out this week because he's sad, I'm done with the guy.

Yeah, that would be totally pathetic. I know receivers by design are selfish, but that's ridiculous.

Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 20, 2022, 02:28:42 PM
Denzel Mims active, 4 catches on 7 targets for 85 yards and a TD.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2022, 02:29:07 PM
I agree, but I'm not going to criticize Moore for something that hasn't happened yet (and likely won't).
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Gorilla on October 20, 2022, 02:40:07 PM
The obvious situation where two things can be true;

1. They're winning kid, STFU.

2. LaFleur has done an awful job utilizing his skillset.

This is my thinking too.
But replace "awful" with "still getting his bearings and doing his best, although not yet optimal...same dude who had Cager in the scripted week one plan, yikes".

I'm not worried. Breece is the "hot hand", like Moore was the "hot hand" for a few weeks last season. Everyone's gonna eventually eat.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 20, 2022, 03:51:29 PM
It's okay for Moore to be frustrated but airing it out in public is a really bad look.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 20, 2022, 03:55:31 PM
We're about to face three strong pass defenses in a row leading into our bye so an Elijah Moore breakout game probably isn't forthcoming.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2022, 04:07:07 PM
It's okay for Moore to be frustrated but airing it out in public is a really bad look.
Has he really aired much out in public? He said one thing about it, stressing that he was happy as long as they were winning. That definitely counts as airing it out in public, but that's been it so far. Everything else is speculation based on cryptic tweets.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2022, 04:24:45 PM
Has he really aired much out in public? He said one thing about it, stressing that he was happy as long as they were winning. That definitely counts as airing it out in public, but that's been it so far. Everything else is speculation based on cryptic tweets.
Edit: yes he has.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1583206556052918272

Trying to continue our 2nd-round WR curse.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 20, 2022, 04:28:14 PM
What a bitch. 

Hasn't gotten open all season, quit on a route that directly led to an interception, and then saw his snaps drop the subsequent weeks.  Whines about it and requests a trade.

Ship him, what a weak-willed queynte. 

Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Jumbo on October 20, 2022, 04:32:52 PM
Trade him for DJ Moore
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 20, 2022, 04:33:36 PM
So 4 days ago it’s “all I ever wanted” to be winning games. And now he is putting in a public trade request? I mean Jesus what in the hell is going on in that young man’s head?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 20, 2022, 04:35:05 PM
This is ridiculous. He's six games into his second season and the team is 4-2. Get a grip.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 20, 2022, 04:37:20 PM
God told him that he should go to a team where he'll get 6 catches for 100 yards but be 4-13.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 20, 2022, 04:38:14 PM
This is ridiculous. He's six games into his second season and the team is 4-2. Get a grip.

Which is what I imagine Saleh, LaFleur, Austin and Douglas will be telling him, if they haven’t already.

Since Douglas always answers the phone, I won’t say it’s an impossibility he gets moved, but it would have to fetch us a pretty hefty return. I would guess he wouldn’t take less than a 1st for Moore, and I can’t see anyone paying us that.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 20, 2022, 04:41:38 PM
Rosenblatt just said he wouldn't expect Moore to play this week. AYFKM?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 20, 2022, 04:41:58 PM
Trade him to the Broncos so he and DangerRuss can tag team Jesus. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Jumbo on October 20, 2022, 04:42:48 PM
“If I say what I really wanna say… I’ll be the selfish guy…we winning. Grateful! Huge blessing! All I ever wanted. Bittersweet for me, but I’ll be solid. So I’ll just stay quiet.” -Elijah Moore, 2 days ago
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 20, 2022, 04:43:37 PM
Without knowing what's been said behind closed doors this seems like an extreme overreaction.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 20, 2022, 04:45:49 PM
Mims SZN
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 20, 2022, 04:47:55 PM
If we let Moore run that reverse instead of Berrios does he still request a trade?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 20, 2022, 04:58:58 PM
Something that's being overshadowed is that, irrespective of his opportunities, Moore has not played particularly well this season.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 20, 2022, 05:01:02 PM
If we let Moore run that reverse instead of Berrios does he still request a trade?

First question… does Moore score? I assume so, but it’s not a lock. Berrios made the right cut at the right time. Who knows if the defense reacts differently if its Moore in motion instead of Berrios at the snap.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 20, 2022, 05:01:53 PM
First question… does Moore score? I assume so, but it’s not a lock. Berrios made the right cut at the right time. Who knows if the defense reacts differently if its Moore in motion instead of Berrios at the snap.

Did...did you think that wasn't a rhetorical question?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: insanity on October 20, 2022, 05:02:20 PM
SOJ
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2022, 05:11:09 PM
Denzel Mims requesting a trade made sense. He knew he had no path to playing time.

Moore making a trade request makes zero sense. Didn't want to overreact until there was a reason to overreact, but I think we're there now. Glad I didn't buy a jersey.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 20, 2022, 05:25:34 PM
The FO’s position is basically GFY. I’m curious if they try to talk him down.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2022, 05:26:00 PM
Moore's numbers with Wilson have been atrocious. They seem to like each other, but Moore's targets, production and effectiveness have all dropped with Wilson.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 20, 2022, 05:37:48 PM
Moore had his best game of the season against Pittsburgh in Wilson's first game back and we've barely thrown the ball the last two weeks.

Moore was also responsible for Wilson's first interception and failed to get his feet down in bounds on a perfectly thrown pass from Wilson against the Dolphins.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 20, 2022, 05:55:50 PM
Well, this isn't ideal.  I really like Moore as a player, and I don't want him traded.

But if it has to be...go fleece someone for a 1st rounder, Joe.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 20, 2022, 05:56:33 PM
I really can't get over what a bitch move this is by Moore.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 20, 2022, 05:57:20 PM
Well, this isn't ideal.  I really like Moore as a player, and I don't want him traded.

But if it has to be...go fleece someone for a 1st rounder, Joe.
I'd rather we trade him for a player. With him and Mims both pouting we look a man short there.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 20, 2022, 05:59:44 PM
Moore's derriere better be on the field on Sunday.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2022, 06:02:01 PM
Moore's derriere better be on the field on Sunday.
Eh. He's not really helping us. If they want to sit him this week while he figures out what's going on, or to discipline him, that's fine.

Mims can play his role, and most of the manufactured touches were going to  Berrios anyway.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MoreCharacters on October 20, 2022, 06:02:22 PM
feels like a guy struggling with something unrelated and sabotaging himself at work

probably needs a hug
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Miamipuck on October 20, 2022, 06:20:22 PM
freak this guy.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 20, 2022, 06:30:22 PM
Maybe AJ Brown should talk Moore off the ledge...he owes him one
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 20, 2022, 06:33:08 PM
I realize it's natural to be pissed at him but he's a kid and he's being badly advised. I hope someone talks him off this particular ledge, he hasn't been in the league long enough to have a sensible perspective.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 20, 2022, 06:39:53 PM
feels like a guy struggling with something unrelated and sabotaging himself at work

probably needs a hug

i think you're right, because everything makes zero sense here. but i still can't help but feel some resentment towards him for the completely selfish drama he is creating here.

he's 6 games into his second year, zach's been back for only 3 games. last game, nobody got fed the ball. we had 10 completions. why the big fvcking deal? also, we're winning.

he has talent. he showed flashes last season. but it's not like he lit the league up on fire and now we're hounding him out. also, when involved his play this year hasn't been very spectacular either. also, we're winning.

would he be happy if he had 10 targets / game but we lost every single one? we're winning and he still requested a trade, so i think so

does he realize we're winning?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2022, 06:49:17 PM
I realize it's natural to be pissed at him but he's a kid and he's being badly advised. I hope someone talks him off this particular ledge, he hasn't been in the league long enough to have a sensible perspective.
Yep. We should be mad at him short term. But I doubt the Jets trade him and I think it will blow over.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 20, 2022, 06:52:49 PM
He's represented by the same agent as AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, and Deebo Samuel.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2022, 06:53:49 PM
Shut up and run routes

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221020/420d985a84014f5a795a5359ff9ada6d.jpg)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 20, 2022, 07:09:53 PM
so the trade request came in. saleh gave him a personal day off, and he spent it with family.

i think that move shows that the FO/coaching staff understands he's frustrated at the lack of targets, and are willing to work with him about it. i don't see it as a 'get away from the team' day off. i think they just wanted him to have some time to collect his thoughts and cool down.

i'd be surprised if the FO sat him this weekend. if he's not on the field, it would have to be due to his own refusal. which would suck. i guess we'll see
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2022, 07:13:31 PM
so the trade request came in. saleh gave him a personal day off, and he spent it with family.

i think that move shows that the FO/coaching staff understands he's frustrated at the lack of targets, and are willing to work with him about it. i don't see it as a 'get away from the team' day off. i think they just wanted him to have some time to collect his thoughts and cool down.

i'd be surprised if the FO sat him this weekend. if he's not on the field, it would have to be due to his own refusal. which would suck. i guess we'll see
This has always seemed like a player-friendly staff, so I don't know how much discipline they would want to levy on Moore for this, nor do I think a trade request by itself is enough for a punishment. It sounds like they don't like how he practiced one day amid his unhappiness. He might need a weekend to cool down.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 20, 2022, 07:14:31 PM
According to Hughes, the trade request came after he was given the personal day to spend with his family.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 20, 2022, 07:15:27 PM
Nobody stokes a fire like Dick Cimini

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1583245279070781440?t=PWCb_sUsT0Wz31gtRZ23MQ&s=19
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MoreCharacters on October 20, 2022, 07:15:32 PM
i think you're right, because everything makes zero sense here. but i still can't help but feel some resentment towards him for the completely selfish drama he is creating here.

he's 6 games into his second year, zach's been back for only 3 games. last game, nobody got fed the ball. we had 10 completions. why the big fvcking deal? also, we're winning.

he has talent. he showed flashes last season. but it's not like he lit the league up on fire and now we're hounding him out. also, when involved his play this year hasn't been very spectacular either. also, we're winning.

would he be happy if he had 10 targets / game but we lost every single one? we're winning and he still requested a trade, so i think so

does he realize we're winning?

He knew the reaction everyone would have to him behaving like this.  He basically said as much in his first tweet.  He did it anyway, and has kept escalating.  Doing things to yourself that you are fully aware are self destructive is a bad sign.

big test for mr salad as a coach here
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 20, 2022, 07:15:39 PM
All these reasonable reactions are really killing my anger boner, fellas.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2022, 07:16:44 PM
According to Hughes, the trade request came after he was given the personal day to spend with his family.
There are two different ways the "talk with your family" can go. Either you have family that holds you acccountable and helps convince you to keep your head down and work. Or you have family that helps convince you that your excrement doesn't stink and if the Jets don't have a role for you, someone else will.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2022, 07:50:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gmn4W0w.jpg)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 20, 2022, 08:31:03 PM
freak this guy.

This

Trade him to Carolina for some of those defensive pieces
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 20, 2022, 08:47:19 PM
This

Trade him to Carolina for some of those defensive pieces
Bring me Burns or Chinn
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Coach K on October 20, 2022, 09:12:40 PM
First off two things are simultaneously true

Why he deserves to be mad

LaFleur playcalling is mediocre at best.  His constant 9 route and go route outside the numbers usage of a short WR do not utilize Moore to the best of his abilities.  The cute long developing pass and play actions we routinelyuse in the 1st qtr before committing to the run game and developing a quick rhythm pass game to build off of ......lack of middle field attack . Bunches , drags,  slants. Quick ins

Wilson has had some very shitty drops so seeing him get targeted the most is an ego thing for a 22 yr old wr


Why he needs to calm down

We've been playing good CBs and Zach is learning to not try to win every snap with his arm. 

This offense goes through Hall and Carter . Not the WRs. They're a luxury .

We're winning. You were happy  4-12 when you were required to be force-fed due to lack of talent .

Davis and Conklin only have 2 or 3 more targets than him .

Get more separation
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: ons on October 20, 2022, 10:03:35 PM
It's such a weak look from Moore to be creating this much drama during a winning streak when he's seeing plenty of the field.  Hard to imagine him being a good team presence when there's even more adversity - and the attitude lines up with how it seems he takes plays off when he's not going to be the primary read.

Best case scenario he sleeps on it, the coaching staff reexamines how he's being used, and they both work to make him effective in the offense. But I would understand if the FO looks at the talent/drama ratio and bench him until they can move him for assets. Plenty of teams looking for talent at WR throughout the league, and I think Mims comes out fighting if he's given a chance for some play time.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: delavan on October 20, 2022, 10:04:18 PM
Keep it in the locker room - you're not T.O.   Broncos for all of their offensive woes have only given up 6 TDs.  Suit up and button it up Elijah
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 20, 2022, 10:07:14 PM
Is there a precedent for a player requesting a trade 6 games into his second season?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: dcm1602 on October 20, 2022, 10:17:17 PM
I'm not suggesting the Jets should trade the guy.

But what's a realistic fair price for a very good 2nd round pick wideout on the 2nd year of his rookie contract?

A floor of a first and a 3rd, with a ceiling of two firsts? (assuming it's a contender, who will likely have late first ala Green Bay)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 20, 2022, 10:18:43 PM
They aren't trading him. His value has never been lower, and Moore has no leverage. Unless Moore is such a bad teammate you can't bring him into the building, there's no reason for the Jets to trade him now. I'm sure there is a price where they would trade him (either a 1st or a 2nd plus more), but they aren't getting it now.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Coach K on October 20, 2022, 10:31:12 PM
They aren't trading him. His value has never been lower, and Moore has no leverage. Unless Moore is such a bad teammate you can't bring him into the building, there's no reason for the Jets to trade him now. I'm sure there is a price where they would trade him (either a 1st or a 2nd plus more), but they aren't getting it now.
This as well
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Coach K on October 20, 2022, 10:33:22 PM
I'm not suggesting the Jets should trade the guy.

But what's a realistic fair price for a very good 2nd round pick wideout on the 2nd year of his rookie contract?

A floor of a first and a 3rd, with a ceiling of two firsts? (assuming it's a contender, who will likely have late first ala Green Bay)
We're nit gonna get anything for him.  He hasn't proven what an AJ brown has. 

We'd get a 3rd . 2nd if we're lucky 

Hes worth a 1st but hes got 0 leverage and teams have no reason to do anything but underpay given the current scenario

I dont Like knowing he shares teams with every major WR who demanded a trade lately lol

But whatever we own his rights.  He can eat several dicks and go play to actually have trade value
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: guinness77 on October 20, 2022, 10:38:19 PM
I'm not suggesting the Jets should trade the guy.

But what's a realistic fair price for a very good 2nd round pick wideout on the 2nd year of his rookie contract?

A floor of a first and a 3rd, with a ceiling of two firsts? (assuming it's a contender, who will likely have late first ala Green Bay)
Are you nuts?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2022, 10:58:46 PM
Are you nuts?
You're right, the floor is at least 2 firsts.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Laxin on October 20, 2022, 11:13:34 PM
Such a bad look when the team is actually winning. Agreed with the “freak this guy” statements… I thought he was supposed to be a high character guy?

I can understand his frustration with his usage… but you’re a 2nd round pick who hasn’t even played a full seasons worth of games.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: guinness77 on October 20, 2022, 11:17:19 PM
You're right, the floor is at least 2 firsts.
McCaffrey didn’t even get a 1st rounder but this guy’s floor is a 1st and a 3rd.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 21, 2022, 12:21:44 AM
All these reasonable reactions are really killing my anger boner, fellas.

the more and more i think about this the more and more i lean towards the 'anger' side of things

why do any of this when the team is winning. it's a completely selfish and self-centered thing to do. to try and make this all about yourself...he is starving for the fvcking attention. desert thirsty

how do you build with a guy like that
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 21, 2022, 12:24:15 AM
https://twitter.com/blakenyjets/status/1583240595128356866 (https://twitter.com/blakenyjets/status/1583240595128356866)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 21, 2022, 12:53:03 AM
Trade him to the Bears for a 2 and see how he likes it there.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: dcm1602 on October 21, 2022, 01:09:01 AM
We're nit gonna get anything for him.  He hasn't proven what an AJ brown has. 

We'd get a 3rd . 2nd if we're lucky 

Hes worth a 1st but hes got 0 leverage and teams have no reason to do anything but underpay given the current scenario

I dont Like knowing he shares teams with every major WR who demanded a trade lately lol

But whatever we own his rights.  He can eat several dicks and go play to actually have trade value

This is crazy

Look at the performance of your average 2nd round pick. To suggest that Moore with his value where it currently is, is worth less than the 2nd we drafted him for is nuts. The Jets wideouts aren't productive partly because of MLF and largely because of Zach Wilson.

We don't know if Moore is an all pro guy or just a good-very good wideout. But what we do know is he offers less risk and more upside than the vast majority of 2nd round picks well. With over 2.5 years left on his rookie deal he's 100% worth more runs this initial 2nd rounder.

Getting 2 1sts for him is unlikely and I'll admit is crazy talk. But a 1st and 3rd does not seem unfathomable to me. Moore is essentially a homerun slam 2nd round pick
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 21, 2022, 04:02:20 AM
This is crazy

Look at the performance of your average 2nd round pick. To suggest that Moore with his value where it currently is, is worth less than the 2nd we drafted him for is nuts. The Jets wideouts aren't productive partly because of MLF and largely because of Zach Wilson.

We don't know if Moore is an all pro guy or just a good-very good wideout. But what we do know is he offers less risk and more upside than the vast majority of 2nd round picks well. With over 2.5 years left on his rookie deal he's 100% worth more runs this initial 2nd rounder.

Getting 2 1sts for him is unlikely and I'll admit is crazy talk. But a 1st and 3rd does not seem unfathomable to me. Moore is essentially a homerun slam 2nd round pick

We think Moore is a home run second round pick, because he showed so much promise last year.

His production this year doesn’t suggest he is that guy. Why would a team pay premium assets for a diva WR who isn’t happy on a winning team after a few weeks of low target volume?

The only reason I can see would be if Douglas leverages the point that he is a cheap contract for 2.5 years. But his production doesn’t warrant a bidding war for a now perceived (if not actually proven) diva. Douglas may be a master, but I’d be shocked if he pulled off a 1.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2022, 04:39:41 AM
Set a stupidly high asking price and tell him too bad nobody wants to pay it, now get your derriere back out there through 2024.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 21, 2022, 04:52:26 AM
Set a stupidly high asking price and tell him too bad nobody wants to pay it, now get your derriere back out there through 2024.

This is what I expect Douglas to do.

And if someone wants to give us the Jamal Adams package, then we will give him what he wants. If we are lucky it ends up somewhere that’s headed for purgatory for the rest of his rookie deal, so he can really identify what it means to suck
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 21, 2022, 05:48:03 AM
I don’t expect Douglas to even set a price. Moore isn’t going anywhere.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 07:33:57 AM
Moore apparently threw a tantrum before practice yesterday. That's why he was given the personal day. Then the trade request came.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 21, 2022, 07:44:09 AM
Moore apparently threw a tantrum before practice yesterday. That's why he was given the personal day. Then the trade request came.

Jesus Christ.


This guy was supposed to be a high character leader. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 21, 2022, 07:54:37 AM
He's got to have some other excrement going on that is bleeding over here. Even a shitty, manipulative agent wouldn't account for this.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 21, 2022, 07:58:41 AM
He's got to have some other excrement going on that is bleeding over here. Even a shitty, manipulative agent wouldn't account for this.

I doubt it's his agent....because he represents Joe Douglas too.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 08:13:08 AM
I doubt it's his agent....because he represents Joe Douglas too.

Agency, not agent but still, it's hard to believe that any agent would advise his client to act this way.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 08:17:14 AM
You can never trust a Jesus freak.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 21, 2022, 08:33:07 AM
I still can't believe the 180 this guy took in less than a year. 

Being a whiny excrement is one thing, but giving up on routes leading to turnovers is where i draw the line.  Because now you're freaking with the development and confidence of our young QB.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2022, 08:39:42 AM
Until I'm proven otherwise I'm expecting him to get over himself and return to the fold.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 08:41:23 AM
Becton tweeted "They're Two sides to every story" and then deleted it
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 08:44:42 AM
I need to see an image of Moore peeing on our 4-2 record
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 09:00:57 AM
Moore's back at the team facility.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 21, 2022, 09:13:22 AM
Until I'm proven otherwise I'm expecting him to get over himself and return to the fold.

This is basically where I'm at.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 09:32:43 AM
Ftr, I do blame LaFleur and, by extension, Saleh for not getting Moore more involved in the offense. It's wrong for Moore to request a trade six games into his second season but, in my view, it's ultimately on LaFleur and Saleh to fix this.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: mj2sexay on October 21, 2022, 09:38:15 AM
Already announced that Moore won't play on Sunday.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: steves850 on October 21, 2022, 09:40:36 AM
Ftr, I do blame LaFleur and, by extension, Saleh for not getting Moore more involved in the offense. It's wrong for Moore to request a trade six games into his second season but, in my view, it's ultimately on LaFleur and Saleh to fix this.

If you're freaking winning, nothing else matters? Why should the coaching staff adjust the effective game plan? To pad his stats? A win is a win is a win.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 21, 2022, 09:45:04 AM
I can't stand Lafleur,  but Moore is in the wrong here.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: steves850 on October 21, 2022, 09:47:03 AM
Already announced that Moore won't play on Sunday.

(https://i.imgur.com/kFdTtdi.png)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: steves850 on October 21, 2022, 09:48:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/FNdniCr.png)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 09:59:47 AM
Hope Mims shows out this weekend but it should be a run-heavy game plan regardless.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 10:06:39 AM
https://twitter.com/peter_bukowski/status/1583454322930483200?s=46&t=23rpera5-A7V2wkHIXlZQw

Got into a Twitter fight with these assholes
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: steves850 on October 21, 2022, 10:09:46 AM
https://twitter.com/peter_bukowski/status/1583454322930483200?s=46&t=23rpera5-A7V2wkHIXlZQw

Got into a Twitter fight with these assholes

lmao what a excrement take. Don't waste your energy.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 21, 2022, 10:17:50 AM
lmao what a excrement take. Don't waste your energy.

This
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 10:24:38 AM
lmao what a excrement take. Don't waste your energy.

The guy actually compared Moore's situation to Mims' and I started to lose it.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 10:42:18 AM
https://twitter.com/iamsaucegardner/status/1583479239625449472?s=46&t=QuB8iLbR1ROZArSjGGsmLA

I'm ordering a Sauce jersey
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: steves850 on October 21, 2022, 10:53:27 AM
https://twitter.com/iamsaucegardner/status/1583479239625449472?s=46&t=QuB8iLbR1ROZArSjGGsmLA

I'm ordering a Sauce jersey

is this called a "sub tweet"
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2022, 11:09:28 AM
is this called a "sub tweet"
Let he who is without cringe cast the first subtweet
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 21, 2022, 12:08:47 PM
https://twitter.com/iamsaucegardner/status/1583479239625449472?s=46&t=QuB8iLbR1ROZArSjGGsmLA

I'm ordering a Sauce jersey

Too Jesusy, selling my Sauce jersey.

/s
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 21, 2022, 12:14:03 PM
This kind of made me laugh

https://twitter.com/jetsbyjack/status/1583230789109415936?t=yLHBVkjDk1N42qp1H9nzxg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/jetsbyjack/status/1583230789109415936?t=yLHBVkjDk1N42qp1H9nzxg&s=19)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 12:19:36 PM
Too Jesusy, selling my Sauce jersey.

/s

I know you're joking but I have a soft spot for religious people who use scripture to throw other religious people's hypocrisy back in their face.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 12:24:40 PM
A.J. Brown also showed his derriere by publicly commenting on a situation that has nothing to do with him. I'm sure the bloom is going to come off that rose in Philadelphia sooner rather than later...
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 12:34:50 PM
https://twitter.com/upandadamsshow/status/1583493553715412992?s=46&t=Cb3wPHfkbw6OCObHUeHP4g

Now Brandon Marshall is mouthing off at Zach for not supporting Elijah. AYFKM?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 21, 2022, 12:52:48 PM
https://twitter.com/upandadamsshow/status/1583493553715412992?s=46&t=Cb3wPHfkbw6OCObHUeHP4g

Now Brandon Marshall is mouthing off at Zach for not supporting Elijah. AYFKM?

Add "Doesn't Perfectly Navigate Press Conferences" to the list of weaknesses I don't need to see Zach fix in his second season.

Keep hitting those backs in the hands Z-Dub, we're all good.   
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 12:55:04 PM
We're trying to win and here these assholes are trying to create as much distraction as possible.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 21, 2022, 12:55:35 PM
https://twitter.com/upandadamsshow/status/1583493553715412992?s=46&t=Cb3wPHfkbw6OCObHUeHP4g

Now Brandon Marshall is mouthing off at Zach for not supporting Elijah. AYFKM?

someone should increase Marshall's lithium dose and tell him to sit the freak down.


Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 12:56:11 PM
This really is outrageous. The best thing we can do is continue winning.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Gorilla on October 21, 2022, 01:27:07 PM
This really is outrageous. The best thing we can do is continue winning.

Agree, and it's without precedent. Wanting a trade 16 or 17 games into your career as a 2nd-rounder because you don't get enough targets in your team's wins? In only week freakin' 6? When you have nothing on your resume but a pretend Pepsi WWF belt that Breece Hall already owns TWO of in less than half the time?

He literally has less leverage and complaint than Denzel Mims, it's truly bizarre.
The immaturity and evident lack of guidance in his inner circle is very sad. He's punching himself in the face and hoping Joe Douglas feels it.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 21, 2022, 01:42:25 PM
I get the idea that players have a short time to make money. But asking for a trade 6 games into year 2 does not help you make money, and while Moore had a good rookie year, he has less than 800 rec yds in his career. Just terrible advice from people around him.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Gorilla on October 21, 2022, 01:46:23 PM
I get the idea that players have a short time to make money. But asking for a trade 6 games into year 2 does not help you make money, and while Moore had a good rookie year, he has less than 800 rec yds in his career. Just terrible advice from people around him.

Exactly, and that's what so strange. This does nothing to help Moore and only makes him look like an immature, selfish crybaby.
He has ZERO leverage.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 01:46:52 PM
I've lost all respect for Brandon Marshall (didn't have much to begin with). It's clear he didn't listen to Zach's press conference yesterday.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 21, 2022, 02:06:25 PM
A.J. Brown deleted his tweets
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 21, 2022, 02:17:43 PM
At least Jamal Adams proved he was a star before he asked for a trade.

At least Denzel Mims paid his dues and realized he was buried on the depth chart before asking for a trade.

Moore's request is so ridiculous
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 21, 2022, 02:41:31 PM
Moore probably thought he'd be a star by this point this season, and that star turn has not happened. His numbers have gone the other way. Totally get him being frustrated. He should be.

But a trade request is a nuclear option when you have this much time left on your contract.

And is anyone looking at this Broncos game thinking our chances to win decreased noticeably without him? Not me. So he's not good enough or proven enough to do this.

They aren't trading him so they will have to make it work. He is 22, so hopefully this is immaturity.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 21, 2022, 02:45:27 PM
And is anyone looking at this Broncos game thinking our chances to win decreased noticeably without him? Not me. So he's not good enough or proven enough to do this.

NGL, I'm kinda excited to see if Mims can have a prove it performance and make the coaches have to start including him.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Coach K on October 21, 2022, 03:33:02 PM
Mims activated . His time to feast is now

Been wanting us to use him.  Now they get to let Moore cool off at home and Mims can go off.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: insanity on October 21, 2022, 03:38:40 PM
Mims activated . His time to feast is now

Been wanting us to use him.  Now they get to let Moore cool off at home and Mims can go off.
Stunt on these hoes
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 21, 2022, 04:11:14 PM
I expect to see much more of Jeff Smith on Sunday than Mims. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: klaximilian on October 21, 2022, 04:15:06 PM
The timing of this could be perfect...

1) if Mims goes off, they escalate his trade value. Or we potentially see reason to trade Moore and lets Mims slide into the active roster.

2) if Mims doesn't go off, and Jets win (still think we will) at least Moore had time to sit on the sidelines and think about how much of the queynte he was being, realizing we don't need him to win

3) if Jets lose and Mims sucks, this potentially backfires - which basically means nothing changes.

I'm guessing it's gonna be closer to option #2.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 21, 2022, 04:17:08 PM
I expect to see much more of Jeff Smith on Sunday than Mims. 
I think Mims is ahead of the depth chart over Smith at wide receiver, but we don't need a 5th wide receiver, so Smith's special teams value is more important.

I think Berrios gets the biggest bump. Mims is fun to talk about, but he and Smith probably play 5-15 offensive snaps each.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: klaximilian on October 21, 2022, 04:17:55 PM
It's also worth noting that if Jets stick to the run game like they had the last three games, Mims is a fantastic blocker and could help on the perimeter for those outside runs.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Gorilla on October 21, 2022, 04:20:21 PM
At least Jamal Adams proved he was a star before he asked for a trade.

At least Denzel Mims paid his dues and realized he was buried on the depth chart before asking for a trade.

Moore's request is so ridiculous

This, this , this.

Again, this is without precedent. We've seen players/ stars requesting and/or demanding trades before, but these have been accomplished players wanting more money/contract extensions, with stats and tenure and value along with at least a bit of leverage (or in Denzel's case, a 3rd year player not being used or getting active snaps).

Never have I witnessed a player with 16 games of experience on a 2nd round rookie contract (you ain't getting more money, dummy) "demand" a trade on a winning team in week 6 of his second year as a so-called professional. I've been a fan of the kid, as we all have, and he's shown explosive talent....but this is straight up selfish, retarded, self-sabotaging behavior. Poor baby must be surrounded by short-sighted dipshits, it's a shame.  We all hope he can come to some of his senses and jump back on board of this winning team and culture.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: klaximilian on October 21, 2022, 04:22:55 PM
Glad to see we're still trying to convince ourselves that Moore is an immature tw*t for his request. I though that was fairly obvious.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2022, 04:23:26 PM
Mims activated . His time to feast is now

Been wanting us to use him.  Now they get to let Moore cool off at home and Mims can go off.
Stunt on these hoes
Elijah Moore's reputation died so Mims could be resurrected
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 21, 2022, 05:04:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kFdTtdi.png)

This makes a ton of sense.

In thinking about this entire situation, it’s utterly ridiculous and without knowing the entire history of the league, feels quite unprecedented. Which suggests to me that something is so damn off the wall with Moore right now, that something isn’t right. It would not shock me in the slightest to find out he is suffering from some sort of mental health crisis and is self-sabotaging himself as a result of it.

That said it doesn’t matter, he is acting like a complete dumbfuck and frankly I expect Joe Douglas will not get an offer he is willing to accept and Moore is about to be inactive till the offseason when we sell him for pennies on the dollar.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: dcm1602 on October 21, 2022, 05:17:28 PM
Lowest target rate among WR in 2022

Elijah Moore has been targeted on 13% of his routes run this season. That ranks 78th out of 81 qualified receivers this season. With Zach Wilson at quarterback, he's been targeted even less (11% of his routes).

RECEIVER   TARGET RATE
Parris Campbell, IND   11.3%
DeAndre Carter, LAC   12.2%
Allen Robinson, LAR   12.5%
Gabe Davis, BUF   12.9%
Elijah Moore, NYJ   13.0%<<
>>10.9% with Zach Wilson
-- ESPN Stats & Information

Aka with Zach Wilson he's the least targeted receiver in the NFL, among whoever the freak they dictated qualified

(though admittedly the Zach Wilson stat line obviously has an unfairly small sample size)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 21, 2022, 05:47:23 PM
Reminder that Cimini isn't just reporting this, he has played a huge role in stirring the pot. He's the one who tweeted out after we had a huge win against the Packers how weird it was that Moore didn't get any targets.

Let's not let that whiny, negative, excrement stirring freak off the hook.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Laxin on October 21, 2022, 06:49:25 PM
Lowest target rate among WR in 2022

Elijah Moore has been targeted on 13% of his routes run this season. That ranks 78th out of 81 qualified receivers this season. With Zach Wilson at quarterback, he's been targeted even less (11% of his routes).

RECEIVER   TARGET RATE
Parris Campbell, IND   11.3%
DeAndre Carter, LAC   12.2%
Allen Robinson, LAR   12.5%
Gabe Davis, BUF   12.9%
Elijah Moore, NYJ   13.0%<<
>>10.9% with Zach Wilson
-- ESPN Stats & Information

Aka with Zach Wilson he's the least targeted receiver in the NFL, among whoever the freak they dictated qualified

(though admittedly the Zach Wilson stat line obviously has an unfairly small sample size)

You don’t see Allen Robinson, who has a significantly better resume than Moore, bitching about targets.


Honestly, freak whatever route tree Moore is being forced to run. If he was as dedicated to the game and prolific as he thinks he is, he would be producing and forced targets. Antonio Brown could play any position at his height, same with Steve Smith. If he wants to draw these comparisons, play hard every play and you’ll get the ball. Bottom line, he’s not the most talented WR on the roster. Corey Davis was a top 10 pick and has never bitched about targets. This seems so laughable as a controversy that it doesn’t seem like reality.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 21, 2022, 07:04:08 PM
You don’t see Allen Robinson, who has a significantly better resume than Moore, bitching about targets.


Honestly, freak whatever route tree Moore is being forced to run. If he was as dedicated to the game and prolific as he thinks he is, he would be producing and forced targets. Antonio Brown could play any position at his height, same with Steve Smith. If he wants to draw these comparisons, play hard every play and you’ll get the ball. Bottom line, he’s not the most talented WR on the roster. Corey Davis was a top 10 pick and has never bitched about targets. This seems so laughable as a controversy that it doesn’t seem like reality.
It's because Stafford's wife will light a cross in Robinson's front yard if he bitches.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 21, 2022, 07:25:40 PM
Ugh, this is one time I really hate playing devil's advocate, because I think a 2nd year player on a winning team should STFU...

...but...

MLF isn't exactly impressing any of us. And Mims had the same attitude last year. Maybe MLF just sucks and the receivers who aren't Davis are legit frustrated at the lack of inclusion in the gameplan?

I'm 100% in the camp of STFU and collect your mega-salary, especially when you're also winning. But as we've seen so many times before with this team, where there's smoke, there's fire.

Hopefully, this is a speed bump, and everyone is better for it. I really would like to just be able to enjoy this team winning without the drama. Keep it in-house kid. Even if you have a legit gripe, handle it like a grown-derriere man.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 21, 2022, 07:40:40 PM
Ugh, this is one time I really hate playing devil's advocate, because I think a 2nd year player on a winning team should STFU...

...but...

MLF isn't exactly impressing any of us. And Mims had the same attitude last year. Maybe MLF just sucks and the receivers who aren't Davis are legit frustrated at the lack of inclusion in the gameplan?

I'm 100% in the camp of STFU and collect your mega-salary, especially when you're also winning. But as we've seen so many times before with this team, where there's smoke, there's fire.

Hopefully, this is a speed bump, and everyone is better for it. I really would like to just be able to enjoy this team winning without the drama. Keep it in-house kid. Even if you have a legit gripe, handle it like a grown-derriere man.

Well there’s that tweet about Moore being one of the highest scripted target guys (early game percentages) in the league before the pre scripted plan ends. Which suggests that they are trying to get him the ball.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 21, 2022, 09:09:57 PM
Reminder that Cimini isn't just reporting this, he has played a huge role in stirring the pot. He's the one who tweeted out after we had a huge win against the Packers how weird it was that Moore didn't get any targets.

Let's not let that whiny, negative, excrement stirring freak off the hook.
That's literally his job. Saying Elijah Moore had 0 targets is an interesting note in that game. In fact, the 0 targets led to this whole trade request. You think Moore wasn't aware of his lack of targets?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: dcm1602 on October 21, 2022, 09:50:15 PM
You don’t see Allen Robinson, who has a significantly better resume than Moore, bitching about targets.


Honestly, freak whatever route tree Moore is being forced to run. If he was as dedicated to the game and prolific as he thinks he is, he would be producing and forced targets. Antonio Brown could play any position at his height, same with Steve Smith. If he wants to draw these comparisons, play hard every play and you’ll get the ball. Bottom line, he’s not the most talented WR on the roster. Corey Davis was a top 10 pick and has never bitched about targets. This seems so laughable as a controversy that it doesn’t seem like reality.

Sure, but Allen Robinson is going to make more money next year than Moore will on the entirety of his rookie contract. Not to mention Robinsons is playing behind the (potentially?) best wideout in the league. Plus I'd assume that Robinson knows the Rams offense will eventually get their excrement together, and is probably just grateful to go from spending his career in Jacksonville and Chicago, to the defending super bowl champs.

I think Moore is being a whiney cuck, but from a financial perspective the guy/his agent might know what they're doing.

Playing on a Zach Wilson offense is going to make it real hard for a wideout to show he's worth over 20 million a year. And odds are Zach Wilson is gonna be our starting QB the entirety of Moores rookie contract.

Doesn't exactly optimize his chances of a monster payday
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Laxin on October 21, 2022, 10:12:29 PM
Sure, but Allen Robinson is going to make more money next year than Moore will on the entirety of his rookie contract. Not to mention Robinsons is playing behind the (potentially?) best wideout in the league. Plus I'd assume that Robinson knows the Rams offense will eventually get their excrement together, and is probably just grateful to go from spending his career in Jacksonville and Chicago, to the defending super bowl champs.

I think Moore is being a whiney cuck, but from a financial perspective the guy/his agent might know what they're doing.

Playing on a Zach Wilson offense is going to make it real hard for a wideout to show he's worth over 20 million a year. And odds are Zach Wilson is gonna be our starting QB the entirety of Moores rookie contract.

Doesn't exactly optimize his chances of a monster payday

I think Moore is greatly overestimating his own ability. There are plenty of receivers who have went on to have amazing careers with less targets than Moore has had so far in his career. Kupp, Diggs, Hill, Adams all had less targets through 17 games than more. Kyle Pitts was drafted 4th overall last year and has 2 touchdowns since entering the league and 13 catches this year. I think Moore can be a good player, but he’s no where near as talented as Pitts, and I personally don’t think he’s as talented as any of the receivers I named above.

This conversation is absurd to have after a second round pick has played 17 total games.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 22, 2022, 01:31:49 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/ya64vj/elijah_moore_exactly_1_year_oct_20th_2021_before/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/ya64vj/elijah_moore_exactly_1_year_oct_20th_2021_before/)

Sign this guy
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 22, 2022, 05:37:14 AM
Playing on a Zach Wilson offense is going to make it real hard for a wideout to show he's worth over 20 million a year. And odds are Zach Wilson is gonna be our starting QB the entirety of Moores rookie contract.

Doesn't exactly optimize his chances of a monster payday

You don't know this.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2022, 08:04:45 AM


I think Moore is greatly overestimating his own ability. There are plenty of receivers who have went on to have amazing careers with less targets than Moore has had so far in his career. Kupp, Diggs, Hill, Adams all had less targets through 17 games than more. Kyle Pitts was drafted 4th overall last year and has 2 touchdowns since entering the league and 13 catches this year. I think Moore can be a good player, but he’s no where near as talented as Pitts, and I personally don’t think he’s as talented as any of the receivers I named above.

This conversation is absurd to have after a second round pick has played 17 total games.

This is really the most undeniable argument here.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2022, 09:20:54 AM

This is really the most undeniable argument here.
Not sure I agree that saying "Elijah Moore has been more effective at drawing targets early in his career than the best WRs in the NFL" really hurts his case.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2022, 09:22:37 AM
Not sure I agree that saying "Elijah Moore has been more effective at drawing targets early in his career than the best WRs in the NFL" really hurts his case.
It is when we're looking at a 17 game sample size, with an even smaller sample in which those target numbers were deemed insufficient to make him happy.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2022, 10:31:21 AM
It is when we're looking at a 17 game sample size, with an even smaller sample in which those target numbers were deemed insufficient to make him happy.
Targets go both ways. If Moore were a star, he would earn more targets. I know he is 22 and a 2nd-year guy so it is unfair to ask him to be a star, but he is acting like a diva star WR so he gets treated like one.

Yes, we could manufacture him touches or make him the first read more often. But a big part of what made his rookie year so promising was that he earned targets and was effective with them. This year, he has done neither.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: dcm1602 on October 22, 2022, 06:56:31 PM
Targets go both ways. If Moore were a star, he would earn more targets. I know he is 22 and a 2nd-year guy so it is unfair to ask him to be a star, but he is acting like a diva star WR so he gets treated like one.

Yes, we could manufacture him touches or make him the first read more often. But a big part of what made his rookie year so promising was that he earned targets and was effective with them. This year, he has done neither.

He's being a diva and whining

But you also have to keep in mind Zach Wilson has 42 completions in 3 games, so you can only manufacture more plays so much when you're not throwing the ball.

That's less than some QB's have in a single game.

Of course we won all of them (two of them fairly lobsided) so there's no freaking point in us throwing it, especially when our run game has been phenomenal.

I think that's the biggest reason Moore needs to shut the freak up. You have a young QB behind a beat up OL, if you have easy wins protect you don't need him to get his derriere kicked.

Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2022, 08:18:35 PM
Targets go both ways. If Moore were a star, he would earn more targets. I know he is 22 and a 2nd-year guy so it is unfair to ask him to be a star, but he is acting like a diva star WR so he gets treated like one.

Yes, we could manufacture him touches or make him the first read more often. But a big part of what made his rookie year so promising was that he earned targets and was effective with them. This year, he has done neither.
So... you agree with the original point that he has no right to ask for a trade because he feels he's not getting enough targets?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2022, 08:58:01 PM
So... you agree with the original point that he has no right to ask for a trade because he feels he's not getting enough targets?
Correct. I just think the reasoning was off.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 23, 2022, 08:00:40 PM
(https://i.redd.it/hte32trrhlv91.png)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 23, 2022, 08:04:20 PM
Equipment guy probably gets more targets than Uzomah does currently.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 23, 2022, 08:15:57 PM
Equipment guy probably gets more targets than Uzomah does currently.

Probably pass protects better too
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Coach K on October 23, 2022, 08:19:38 PM
Probably pass protects better too
Rofl

*cheers*
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 23, 2022, 10:56:37 PM
Moore not taking the opportunity to tweet his teammates congrats on the win says a lot.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 24, 2022, 02:31:01 AM
This will magically get fixed tomorrow. We need him, he needs us. All will be in the past.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: ScotlandJet on October 24, 2022, 04:05:28 AM
This will magically get fixed tomorrow. We need him, he needs us. All will be in the past.

Agreed.

Unless someone has a decent RB available for a trade.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 24, 2022, 08:07:14 AM
Unless someone has a decent RB available for a trade.

Not sure we can afford losing Moore for a RB.  If Hall is really done for the season, we need as many playmakers as possible to make up that production. 

We saw what Mims/Smith can't do for this offense when Davis went down.

There are several solid running backs on expiring contracts that we should be able to acquire by moving a DL or a late rounder.  Douglas will make something happen.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 24, 2022, 08:56:16 AM
Not sure we can afford losing Moore for a RB.  If Hall is really done for the season, we need as many playmakers as possible to make up that production. 

We saw what Mims/Smith can't do for this offense when Davis went down.

There are several solid running backs on expiring contracts that we should be able to acquire by moving a DL or a late rounder.  Douglas will make something happen.
Nathan Shepherd for literally anyone

JFM for someone kinda good
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 24, 2022, 10:39:35 AM
Moore not taking the opportunity to tweet his teammates congrats on the win says a lot.
He should just stay off Twitter for now.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 24, 2022, 12:23:26 PM
He should just stay off Twitter for now.

LOL, was going to say he's taking full advantage of the opportunity to stay the freak off Twitter.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 24, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
·
4m
Elijah Moore is back with the team and is expected to be active on Sunday, Saleh says. #Jets
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 24, 2022, 03:48:49 PM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
·
4m
Elijah Moore is back with the team and is expected to be active on Sunday, Saleh says. #Jets

After Denver took out our best players, there is no excuse for not getting him the ball early and semi-often
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 24, 2022, 04:00:24 PM
After Denver took out our best players, there is no excuse for not getting him the ball early and semi-often

He’ll get one target in the fist and an overthrow on a hook route in the 4th.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 24, 2022, 04:33:27 PM
Make him play the Deebo role and give him 10-12 carries a game.  He needs to earn his spot back.  Let him take a beating. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 24, 2022, 04:34:09 PM
Make him play the Deebo role and give him 10-12 carries a game.  He needs to earn his spot back.  Let him take a beating. 

I'm cool with this, but he is listed as 40lbs lighter than Deebo.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 24, 2022, 04:49:31 PM
I'm cool with this, but he is listed as 40lbs lighter than Deebo.


Seems to be bigger than Berrios.

Just find a way to get guys in space. That will make everything easier on Zach the OL and the running game if we just get people in space through concepts
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 24, 2022, 04:50:51 PM

Seems to be bigger than Berrios.

Just find a way to get guys in space. That will make everything easier on Zach the OL and the running game if we just get people in space through concepts

Somehow Berrios is 15lbs heavier.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 24, 2022, 04:55:56 PM
Somehow Berrios is 15lbs heavier.

And yet still straight line faster than Moore. Weird.

freak it make Berrios The Debo Redux
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 24, 2022, 04:58:05 PM
freak it make Berrios The Debo Redux

This is one of the biggest pipe dreams in the history of sports
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 24, 2022, 05:13:55 PM
This is one of the biggest pipe dreams in the history of sports

If todays not a day for dreaming how we can scheme up an offense, what day is?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 24, 2022, 05:19:14 PM
Jeff Smith is going to put this whole unit on his back
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: guinness77 on October 24, 2022, 06:04:34 PM
He should be happy now right? Plenty of targets when our best lineman and best running back are out for the season, right? This guy is a cancer. What’s his endgame at this point? He better turn into freaking Shakespeare at his first presser.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 25, 2022, 10:19:04 AM
(https://i.redd.it/plvqdeelsyv91.jpg)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 25, 2022, 10:32:06 AM
please trade this dude
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Laxin on October 25, 2022, 10:40:18 AM
This dude is an idiot. freaking best player on the offense just tore his ACL and all this guy can think about is him be persecuted because he loves God too much. GTFO you POS.

He might be worse than Jamal. At least Jamal was an All Pro on a terrible team.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 25, 2022, 10:46:56 AM
This dude is an idiot. freaking best player on the offense just tore his ACL and all this guy can think about is him be persecuted because he loves God too much. GTFO you POS.

He might be worse than Jamal. At least Jamal was an All Pro on a terrible team.

The most unselfish player on the team just blew out his triceps giving the franchise everything he could and we have this selfish little bitch whining about veterans calling him out for being ...a selfish little bitch.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 25, 2022, 10:49:27 AM
Like I said, I wish he'd stay off social media.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on October 25, 2022, 10:52:21 AM
You just can't trust these Jesus freaks. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 25, 2022, 12:22:14 PM
This guy really is Antonio Brown
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 25, 2022, 12:31:53 PM
Like I said, I wish he'd stay off social media.

Why? He isn't doing anything wrong. #narcissist
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 25, 2022, 12:42:55 PM
I assume that even if we were considering it before the Hall injury he’s a jet this season now and we move him in the offseason now.

The message to him is build up your value and we can ship you out this offseason to an NFC team (Detroit?) unless we can somehow flip him for Tunsil, which I can’t imagine is likely
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: guinness77 on October 25, 2022, 12:58:55 PM
This is not adversity that arises due to any disobedience on your part. 

This dude serious?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 25, 2022, 01:02:11 PM
I've never seen a player behave this way 17 games into his career. It's hard to believe his agent is advising him to act this way.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 25, 2022, 02:02:07 PM
I've never seen a player behave this way 17 games into his career. It's hard to believe his agent is advising him to act this way.

The only thing I can think of is he has suffered some sort of mental break. He’s got a mental health issue that is manifesting in this way. As such it is sure making him appear to be acting like a crazy person
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 25, 2022, 02:07:01 PM
Or he's just a really immature player who is also really religious and suffers from main character syndrome.

He probably thought he was going to be a superstar, and this year has not provided that for him.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 25, 2022, 02:24:54 PM
Or he's just a really immature player who is also really religious and suffers from main character syndrome.

He probably thought he was going to be a superstar, and this year has not provided that for him.

narcissistic personality disorder
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on October 25, 2022, 02:43:02 PM
narcissistic personality disorder

Sure sounds like a mental health issue
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 25, 2022, 05:08:47 PM
Line the fucker up at RB and have him run b/t the tackles. Maybe he can get some sense knocked into him
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 26, 2022, 11:41:20 AM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1585296261040816128

https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585308683562815488
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 26, 2022, 11:52:05 AM
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585311614474985479

https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585310982322421760

Glad Blatt is on top of this because Moore is the most interesting story of the day for the Jets.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 26, 2022, 11:58:57 AM
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585311614474985479

https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585310982322421760

Glad Blatt is on top of this because Moore is the most interesting story of the day for the Jets.

https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1585312032764616704 (https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1585312032764616704)

https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585313232700383240 (https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1585313232700383240)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 26, 2022, 12:00:00 PM
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1585312032764616704

Strong mid-game adjustment from LaFleur, moving from the fist bump to the handshake/hug.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 26, 2022, 12:00:59 PM
Strong locker rooms can overcome this stuff.

I wouldn't be upset if we moved him after all of the whining, but I'm also hoping he steps up and helps this team win football games.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 26, 2022, 12:02:13 PM
Let's see how the rest of the season plays out. If he keeps his head down and starts getting targets I can easily see this going away.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 26, 2022, 12:39:47 PM
He's an immature 22-year old. If his teammates are fine bringing him back, and he works hard and is productive, it will go away.

I don't see a trade happening unless we can get a comparable WR back.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 26, 2022, 02:31:35 PM
We need him now more than ever.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2022, 02:40:26 PM
Re: the mental illness / narcissist stuff, I'm not sure I buy that. I'm still inclined to believe he's one of those kids who's spent his entire life being the best athlete in his class, his school, his teams, and he's grown up surrounded by family and friends who tell him he's special and nothing can stop him and God means for him to go to the very top. When you don't face adversity then you don't learn to overcome it, so if he's now got his support team telling him that it's not his fault but that of the team, that easily manifests itself as a desire to get away from the team rather than overcome the obstacle he sees as being in his way.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 26, 2022, 02:41:34 PM
Re: the mental illness / narcissist stuff, I'm not sure I buy that. I'm still inclined to believe he's one of those kids who's spent his entire life being the best athlete in his class, his school, his teams, and he's grown up surrounded by family and friends who tell him he's special and nothing can stop him and God means for him to go to the very top. When you don't face adversity then you don't learn to overcome it, so if he's now got his support team telling him that it's not his fault but that of the team, that easily manifests itself as a desire to get away from the team rather than overcome the obstacle he sees as being in his way.

If he thinks he's better than DK Metcalf and AJ Brown then he is mentally ill
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 26, 2022, 03:31:02 PM
If he thinks he's better than DK Metcalf and AJ Brown then he is mentally ill
I have no problem if he feels that way. Players should have irrational confidence. Just don't request a trade
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 26, 2022, 03:32:31 PM
I have no problem if he feels that way. Players should have irrational confidence. Just don't request a trade

He's certainly irrational
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: klaximilian on October 26, 2022, 04:40:28 PM
If he thinks he's better than DK Metcalf and AJ Brown then he is mentally ill

Why wouldn't he believe that. AJ Brown practically told him he was better than he would ever be after he got drafted.

This can all go away if he can STFU and put his head down and work. Im not going to defend his actions like JE has. There are plenty of players who are the best athletes in their class/age (they're all probably in the NFL) and a very small fraction of them act like the queynte this guy has in the last 2 weeks. This is more likely a narcissistic problem, not a maturity problem.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2022, 05:04:04 PM
Why wouldn't he believe that. AJ Brown practically told him he was better than he would ever be after he got drafted.

This can all go away if he can STFU and put his head down and work. Im not going to defend his actions like JE has. There are plenty of players who are the best athletes in their class/age (they're all probably in the NFL) and a very small fraction of them act like the queynte this guy has in the last 2 weeks. This is more likely a narcissistic problem, not a maturity problem.


I'm not defending his actions. I'm saying they're likely the result of poor decision making due to a lack of experience in dealing with such scenarios allied to an unhelpful support network, rather than specific mental illnesses diagnosed by internet psychotherapists.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 26, 2022, 05:12:59 PM
Regardless, I don't really care why he did it, or if we're trying to diagnose him with some mental health illness.

As long as the team accepts him back, he works his derriere off, and he's productive, I don't really care about the trade request. But if he isn't productive, he'll get booed like Josh Donaldson.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Miamipuck on October 27, 2022, 11:15:34 AM
Is being a big mouth idiot a mental illness? 10th years ago we would all be diagnosed as schizophrenic if that was the case. He's not mentally ill,  he's a fuckstick that's all.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 30, 2022, 03:53:52 PM
https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1586818939409125377?s=46&t=nkPiEbOjtUHqKFOjsXNT4g

Please trade this shithead
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 30, 2022, 03:56:06 PM
https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1586818939409125377?s=46&t=nkPiEbOjtUHqKFOjsXNT4g

Please trade this shithead

https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1586820170244362243?s=20&t=vS-dXtmD3Ai_GA5ftGX85Q

look at this other shithead
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 30, 2022, 05:15:19 PM
Moore clearly wants to be traded or get the ball and neither happened. I don't expect him to say anything great in the post-game.

Honestly, I thought it might be worse.

https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1586818891971338240
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 30, 2022, 09:58:31 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1586837888016203777

Don't really buy that for a second...
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 31, 2022, 08:43:32 AM
https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1586818939409125377?s=46&t=nkPiEbOjtUHqKFOjsXNT4g

Please trade this shithead

I watched the whole interview where that quote came from. On its own, it sounds shitty, but the beat writers were just grilling him hard and you could see him trying to remain calm and not say anything stupid.

After it, Bart Scott and Willie Colon basically said the media was doing to him what they always do, hit a guy with the same questions over and over again until they get a sound bite out of it.

My perception of Moore in the interview was that he just wants to play and he regrets how the whole thing played out. From what he was saying, it seems like he wasn't really looking for a trade, but that he thought asking for one would make someone think "Oh excrement, we gotta get him the ball and make him happy" and then it became public.

But right at the start of the interview, he flat out said he was good with the gameplan for the day even without getting attempts because the plan was geared at the specific opponent. But you don't see that comment in anyone's tweets
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 31, 2022, 08:45:30 AM
Also, I think he was just trying to make a sarcastic joke with that specific comment
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2022, 08:54:28 AM
All the Moore hoopla aside, i still don't know why MLF won't give Moore the ball.  Like, what are we doing here?


People are gonna keep siding with MLF?  he doesn't even know how to use his offensive resources.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 31, 2022, 08:55:22 AM
Like, what are we doing here?

LaFleur put him in timeout
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2022, 08:57:29 AM
LaFleur put him in timeout

We're wasting his talent for  *checks notes*...Jeff Smith
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
All the Moore hoopla aside, i still don't know why MLF won't give Moore the ball.  Like, what are we doing here?

I'd like to see what routes he ran yesterday when he was on the field before I start complaining about MLF not scheming for him.

I do know that we didn't run a single sweep, which seems a little perverse given we apparently thought we could beat them to the edge in the run game.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2022, 09:18:19 AM
I'd like to see what routes he ran yesterday when he was on the field before I start complaining about MLF not scheming for him.

I do know that we didn't run a single sweep, which seems a little perverse given we apparently thought we could beat them to the edge in the run game.

It's not just yesterday.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2022, 09:28:05 AM
It's not just yesterday.

I realise that you're currently determined to make MLF the reason for everything from the loss yesterday to the failure of diplomacy in the Middle East, but without studying the All-22 I think it's difficult to say whether this is on him failing to give Moore opportunities, Moore failing to execute the routes he's given, Zach looking him off or failing to see him, or a combination of all of the above. Certainly if Lafleur were asking him to exclusively run decoy routes I would have expected him to get some targets by now, because defenses will have keyed onto that and left him a few times and I would expect Zach to have at least targeted him in such situations.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 31, 2022, 09:32:18 AM
I also wonder how much of the Moore stuff this week was LaFleur and how much it was Saleh.

If Moore is playing just 10 snaps after he was playing the majority of snaps in the first few weeks, I think Saleh would he involved in that decision.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2022, 09:34:49 AM
I realise that you're currently determined to make MLF the reason for everything from the loss yesterday to the failure of diplomacy in the Middle East, but without studying the All-22 I think it's difficult to say whether this is on him failing to give Moore opportunities, Moore failing to execute the routes he's given, Zach looking him off or failing to see him, or a combination of all of the above. Certainly if Lafleur were asking him to exclusively run decoy routes I would have expected him to get some targets by now, because defenses will have keyed onto that and left him a few times and I would expect Zach to have at least targeted him in such situations.

Moore is an excellent route runner, perhaps he's being a queynte and not putting in the effort. I'm not absolving him of that.  But it certainly didn't start that way.

And some of you are determined to give MLF a pass....not sure why, our passing offense has been excrement for 80% of his tenure.  Also, it seems he can't develop a QB either.  I guess that's on Zach too.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2022, 09:35:43 AM
I also wonder how much of the Moore stuff this week was LaFleur and how much it was Saleh.

If Moore is playing just 10 snaps after he was playing the majority of snaps in the first few weeks, I think Saleh would he involved in that decision.

Saleh is going to green-light whatever MLF tells him, he has his complete trust.  Let's see how long that lasts.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2022, 09:47:00 AM
Moore is an excellent route runner, perhaps he's being a queynte and not putting in the effort. I'm not absolving him of that.  But it certainly didn't start that way.

And some of you are determined to give MLF a pass....not sure why, our passing offense has been excrement for 80% of his tenure.  Also, it seems he can't develop a QB either.  I guess that's on Zach too.

I'm not giving anyone a pass. I'm literally saying that without looking deeper at what's actually happening on the field I'm not sure who carries most of the blame, and frankly, even with a forensic analysis of every play I don't know that we would be able to say with certainty. The one thing I am sure of is that none of the three - MLF, Moore and Zach - are blameless for his current irrelevance on the field.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2022, 09:49:37 AM
I'm not giving anyone a pass. I'm literally saying that without looking deeper at what's actually happening on the field I'm not sure who carries most of the blame, and frankly, even with a forensic analysis of every play I don't know that we would be able to say with certainty. The one thing I am sure of is that none of the three - MLF, Moore and Zach - are blameless for his current irrelevance on the field.

Nobody is blameless, they all shoulder some of it.  I just believe it started somewhere, and in this case, it was the OC. I don't think it was intentional either, i just don't believe he knows what he's doing....his incompetence is starting to have a ripple effect.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 31, 2022, 09:49:45 AM
I realise that you're currently determined to make MLF the reason for everything from the loss yesterday to the failure of diplomacy in the Middle East, but without studying the All-22 I think it's difficult to say whether this is on him failing to give Moore opportunities, Moore failing to execute the routes he's given, Zach looking him off or failing to see him, or a combination of all of the above. Certainly if Lafleur were asking him to exclusively run decoy routes I would have expected him to get some targets by now, because defenses will have keyed onto that and left him a few times and I would expect Zach to have at least targeted him in such situations.

He only played 10 snaps.  An All-22 review of his play yesterday could be completed while taking a pee. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 31, 2022, 09:54:52 AM
Saleh is going to green-light whatever MLF tells him, he has his complete trust.  Let's see how long that lasts.
Unless Zach tells Saleh to fire LaFleur apparently.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2022, 09:55:32 AM
He only played 10 snaps.  An All-22 review of his play yesterday could be completed while taking a pee. 

LOL, that's fair. I'd like to see the RPO play that supposedly got him benched for refusing to block.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2022, 09:56:35 AM
Unless Zach tells Saleh to fire LaFleur apparently.

*shrug* It's not impossible...and i wouldn't be surprised in the least.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 31, 2022, 09:59:14 AM
MLF certainly isn't blameless in anything.
- I wish he'd run more on 3rd and short
- Zach is struggling, and he is supposed to help develop Zach
- He hasn't figured out how to use Moore properly, and something happened between Moore and the staff to cause a rift.

There are plenty of things that MLF shares in the blame for. I just think that overall, MLF has been our best OC since Schottenheimer, and he's done enough positive things where I don't think he should be on the hot seat. And it gets tiresome when people blame MLF for seemingly everything (like when Zach misses wide open receivers, and somehow MLF gets blamed for the playcall).

I would like to see Saleh/LaFleur/Ulbrich grow together as of now. I've seen enough positive signs from the staff where I'm mostly in on the staff. Wilson is where I have a lot of questions. I hope he answers them positively because I really don't want to restart with a new QB unless Wilson is awful.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2022, 10:05:05 AM
MLF certainly isn't blameless in anything.
- I wish he'd run more on 3rd and short
- Zach is struggling, and he is supposed to help develop Zach
- He hasn't figured out how to use Moore properly, and something happened between Moore and the staff to cause a rift.

There are plenty of things that MLF shares in the blame for. I just think that overall, MLF has been our best OC since Schottenheimer, and he's done enough positive things where I don't think he should be on the hot seat. And it gets tiresome when people blame MLF for seemingly everything (like when Zach misses wide open receivers, and somehow MLF gets blamed for the playcall).

I would like to see Saleh/LaFleur/Ulbrich grow together as of now. I've seen enough positive signs from the staff where I'm mostly in on the staff. Wilson is where I have a lot of questions. I hope he answers them positively because I really don't want to restart with a new QB unless Wilson is awful.

Chan Gailey did a pretty good job in 2015, although that was an incredibly experienced offense so he didn't have the kind of developmental challenges with the roster that MLF does. You can probably just send Fitz, Mangold, Marshall, Decker, Brick and Ivory out there and tell them to do football.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2022, 10:07:01 AM
MLF certainly isn't blameless in anything.
- I wish he'd run more on 3rd and short
- Zach is struggling, and he is supposed to help develop Zach
- He hasn't figured out how to use Moore properly, and something happened between Moore and the staff to cause a rift.

There are plenty of things that MLF shares in the blame for. I just think that overall, MLF has been our best OC since Schottenheimer, and he's done enough positive things where I don't think he should be on the hot seat. And it gets tiresome when people blame MLF for seemingly everything (like when Zach misses wide open receivers, and somehow MLF gets blamed for the playcall).

I would like to see Saleh/LaFleur/Ulbrich grow together as of now. I've seen enough positive signs from the staff where I'm mostly in on the staff. Wilson is where I have a lot of questions. I hope he answers them positively because I really don't want to restart with a new QB unless Wilson is awful.

Our best OC since Schotty... that bar is set pretty low, don't you think?

No, he hasn't done enough.

I've never blamed MLF for Zach missing open receivers, not sure why you keep saying that.



As soon as Breece Hall went down, our entire offense crumpled like a piece of used toilet paper.  With all the weapons at MLF's disposal, why would that happen? you keep posting he's such a great OC, and you just admitted he's not doing a good job of developing Zach.  So which is it?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 31, 2022, 10:27:06 AM
Our best OC since Schotty... that bar is set pretty low, don't you think?

No, he hasn't done enough.

I've never blamed MLF for Zach missing open receivers, not sure why you keep saying that.



As soon as Breece Hall went down, our entire offense crumpled like a piece of used toilet paper.  With all the weapons at MLF's disposal, why would that happen? you keep posting he's such a great OC, and you just admitted he's not doing a good job of developing Zach.  So which is it?

Maybe it was LJF in the game thread, but someone immediately jumped on LaFleur after the bad pick.

And yes, it's a very low bar. I'm not saying give LaFleur an extension - all I'm saying is he shouldn't be on the hot seat.

Also, "all the weapons at MLF's disposal." If Moore is being punished, the offense is far from loaded. Garrett, Berrios, Mims and Jeff Smith isn't exactly the Greatest Show on Turf. Ty Johnson is RB2 or RB3 behind a guy coming off an Achilles injury who just got here on Monday. Our OL is playing our 5th-string OT. And the QB has sucked. Yes, Zach gets some of those excuses as well, but Zach hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt IMO.

I also give LaFleur credit for the offense not missing a beat without Zach last year. And we threw for 300+ yards on 8.7 yards per attempt last game. Zach deserves credit for that, but so does LaFleur. Zach had some good moments yesterday, but the bad moments overshadowed all of them, rightfully so. If he's under pressure, he has been hopeless. You don't expect QBs to be good under pressure, but Zach has been the absolute worst in the NFL in that spot.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2022, 10:32:40 AM
Maybe it was LJF in the game thread, but someone immediately jumped on LaFleur after the bad pick.

And yes, it's a very low bar. I'm not saying give LaFleur an extension - all I'm saying is he shouldn't be on the hot seat.

Also, "all the weapons at MLF's disposal." If Moore is being punished, the offense is far from loaded. Garrett, Berrios, Mims and Jeff Smith isn't exactly the Greatest Show on Turf. Ty Johnson is RB2 or RB3 behind a guy coming off an Achilles injury who just got here on Monday. Our OL is playing our 5th-string OT. And the QB has sucked. Yes, Zach gets some of those excuses as well, but Zach hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt IMO.

I also give LaFleur credit for the offense not missing a beat without Zach last year. And we threw for 300+ yards on 8.7 yards per attempt last game. Zach deserves credit for that, but so does LaFleur. Zach had some good moments yesterday, but the bad moments overshadowed all of them, rightfully so. If he's under pressure, he has been hopeless. You don't expect QBs to be good under pressure, but Zach has been the absolute worst in the NFL in that spot.

Weapons at MLF's disposal
-G Wilson
-Berrios
-Moore (i saw the high five and hug during practice last week)
-Michael Carter
-Robinson (although he'd be limited due to not knowing the offense)
-both TEs
-Mims


There's plenty to work with there.


I don't know what's wrong with Zach. I agree with you in that some issues are starting to manifest with him.  But again, what is MLF/Calabrese doing about it?  The QB and OC are clearly not on the same page. 

We were winning with our run game.  That's gone now.  All the warts from what's left of our offense are now front and center.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 31, 2022, 10:34:13 AM
Maybe it was LJF in the game thread, but someone immediately jumped on LaFleur after the bad pick.

If we're talking about the first pick at the end of the first half, it was a terrible call to throw there.  We were in control and just took the ball away from them.  It made no sense to run hurry up there with three timeouts.

That entire sequence was baffling.  It's just as much on Saleh as it is on LaFleur. 

Stop the clock.  Run the football and see if you can pick up two yards.  If you get stuffed, either go for it there or punt it deep (hopefully...).

There's no reason to not use timeouts every week. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 31, 2022, 10:50:43 AM
If we're talking about the first pick at the end of the first half, it was a terrible call to throw there.  We were in control and just took the ball away from them.  It made no sense to run hurry up there with three timeouts.

That entire sequence was baffling.  It's just as much on Saleh as it is on LaFleur. 

Stop the clock.  Run the football and see if you can pick up two yards.  If you get stuffed, either go for it there or punt it deep (hopefully...).

There's no reason to not use timeouts every week. 
I disagree about the time out stuff. We had plenty of time - why stop the clock in case you have to punt or turn it over? We control the clock there, especially with 3 time outs. Don't risk giving NE the ball back with a lot of time.

I agree it was a bad play call situationally. You should run the ball on 3rd and 2. First of all, 3rd and short is where you SHOULD be running it. Second, like I said, we have plenty of time left, and if you don't get the first, you'd rather have run the ball and force them to use a time out.

However, his checkdown was also open on that play (overthrown), and if the line held up another half-second, he had a wide open player deep on a post route over the middle. The play was there to be made, so while I don't think it was the right call, it should have worked.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 31, 2022, 11:17:14 AM
However, his checkdown was also open on that play (overthrown)

That isn't his check down.  Berrios is.  That's the read.  They tried to isolate the back on the backer and the play has a chance.  It's just a stupid call by the coaching staff followed by a panicked bonehead decision by the QB. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 31, 2022, 11:18:32 AM
I disagree about the time out stuff. We had plenty of time - why stop the clock in case you have to punt or turn it over?

Why stop the clock?  To get the right play in. 

We were running hurry up for no reason.  We had momentum and control of the game.  No reason to speed up the game on third and short when you are in control there.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 31, 2022, 11:24:09 AM
Why stop the clock?  To get the right play in. 

We were running hurry up for no reason.  We had momentum and control of the game.  No reason to speed up the game on third and short when you are in control there.
The clock was stopped on the previous play. The ball was snapped with 7 seconds on the play clock.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on October 31, 2022, 11:26:34 AM
The clock was stopped on the previous play. The ball was snapped with 7 seconds on the play clock.

So Saleh had time to call a timeout before the ball was snapped then.

Maybe I worded that like I wanted them to save time.  I wanted them to slow the game down. 

You don't just call timeouts to stop the clock.  You can call a timeout to regroup.  That's what we needed.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Coach K on October 31, 2022, 11:29:44 AM
If we're talking about the first pick at the end of the first half, it was a terrible call to throw there.  We were in control and just took the ball away from them.  It made no sense to run hurry up there with three timeouts.

That entire sequence was baffling.  It's just as much on Saleh as it is on LaFleur. 

Stop the clock.  Run the football and see if you can pick up two yards.  If you get stuffed, either go for it there or punt it deep (hopefully...).

There's no reason to not use timeouts every week.
This had me screaming at my TV tbh
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on October 31, 2022, 11:44:50 AM
Saleh read all the old board posts where people were furious anytime we called a timeout, and overcorrected.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 01, 2022, 07:43:54 AM
Quote
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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22h
Elijah Moore was on the field for 10 plays -- 6 wide, 4 in the slot. So, yeah, they used him more in the slot than usual, just not enough for anybody to notice. #Jets

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1587085664818020354?s=20&t=7VRpisx9EjtNOuvsCkchpA (https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1587085664818020354?s=20&t=7VRpisx9EjtNOuvsCkchpA)
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: delavan on November 02, 2022, 11:08:53 PM
5:26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPTlkr2upTo
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Jumbo on November 03, 2022, 10:03:26 PM
https://twitter.com/RexRyanIsBig/status/1588326623001993216

looooooool
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 03, 2022, 10:24:56 PM
https://twitter.com/RexRyanIsBig/status/1588326623001993216

looooooool
He liked some Kanye/Kyrie related tweet, too.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on November 04, 2022, 08:53:12 AM
He liked some Kanye/Kyrie related tweet, too.

So can we agree that he's just batshit insane then?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: delavan on November 04, 2022, 02:20:36 PM
doghouse

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Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: reuben on November 04, 2022, 06:57:16 PM
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1588593681765994496 (https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1588593681765994496)

Good. 

He sensed Denzel Mims on the come-up and realized he's gotta salvage what targets he can.  Whole locker room on the verge of Mimsanity.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on November 04, 2022, 07:09:43 PM
In theory, GW / Mims / Moore playing to their skill levels could be a ridiculously good receiving corps. Obviously it requires two of the three to keep their heads out of their asses and in the game (Garrett obviously not included in that), Zach to not think he's Brett Favre, Lafleur to not think he's Bryan Schottenheimer, and the entire OL to at least be serviceable.

But still. What could in theory be, is exciting.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 04, 2022, 08:15:06 PM
In theory, GW / Mims / Moore playing to their skill levels could be a ridiculously good receiving corps. Obviously it requires two of the three to keep their heads out of their asses and in the game (Garrett obviously not included in that), Zach to not think he's Brett Favre, Lafleur to not think he's Bryan Schottenheimer, and the entire OL to at least be serviceable.

But still. What could in theory be, is exciting.
All the pieces are there next year if the quarterback hits and we find an answer at OT. Most of the pieces are there this year.

Mims could potentially take Davis' place if we want to clear that money. Either way, I like having a bigger physical presence to match with Wilson and Moore.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 07, 2022, 03:23:24 PM
Quote
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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34m
Wilson on Moore's lack of involvement: "That's a tough one. I'd like to get E Moore the ball. For me and my situation, I'm going through the reads + everything. That's more of a question for the coaches. Also the situation in general is tough" cont...


Serious question - do you think it's possible MLF is telling Zach to not target Moore bc of all his antics? Maybe he's MIMZING him, so he's making him earn his targets, or something to that effect?

BC if you're never going to let him touch the ball, why even activate him?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on November 07, 2022, 03:45:34 PM
BC if you're never going to let him touch the ball, why even activate him?

I don't think MLF is telling Wilson not to throw him the football.  I think he's just completely phasing him out of the offense. 

He basically does all the same things as Berrios.  Why can't you give him a carry or a quick screen?  He's making an effort to not get Moore the football.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on November 07, 2022, 03:47:35 PM
I don't think MLF is telling Wilson not to throw him the football.  I think he's just completely phasing him out of the offense. 

He basically does all the same things as Berrios.  Why can't you give him a carry or a quick screen?  He's making an effort to not get Moore the football.


Berrios had one target yesterday. It's not like he's getting 8-10 a game.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on November 07, 2022, 03:51:26 PM
Maybe MLF is playing the long game and Moore has actually been really happy all along and is just playing his part. Then in the game at Buffalo to take control of the division and Frazier has just assumed Moore is a decoy and is cheating, Zach is suddenly going to target him with every other pass and he's going to go off. Lafleur and Moore take a joint press conference together after the game where they confess they've been huge fans of each all along, MLF is proclaimed as an offensive genius, and Moore wins OPOTW.

Then Jets lose the remaining four and miss the postseason on the tiebreaker.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on November 07, 2022, 04:12:09 PM
I don't think MLF is telling Wilson not to throw him the football.  I think he's just completely phasing him out of the offense. 

He basically does all the same things as Berrios.  Why can't you give him a carry or a quick screen?  He's making an effort to not get Moore the football.


To me the Wilson quote is essentially saying that Moore isn’t a top 2-3 read on the vast majority of plays. That tells me that LaFluer is either intentionally being an poopchute to send a message, or has lost all faith in him to be effective. We ran a quick hitter to Jeff freaking smith, who was 100% the first read yesterday. There is no reason whatsoever for Moore to not be AT LEAST getting those 1-2 targets per game.

Elijah is capable of being an NFL receiver, there is no reason to phase him out. We need to get him into the game. I will say, we probably are setting up some gadgetry with all the misdirection he’s running in the backfield the last two weeks. Eventually that’s only a “threat” to confuse the defense if you actually give the ball to Moore.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on November 07, 2022, 04:13:21 PM
Berrios had one target yesterday. It's not like he's getting 8-10 a game.

We tried to target him again and the play was blown dead.  2 touches is better than 0. 

I mean Moore and Berrios are basically playing the same position on offense now.  MLF is using them on that weird orbit motion screen look. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on November 07, 2022, 04:13:57 PM
Maybe MLF is playing the long game and Moore has actually been really happy all along and is just playing his part. Then in the game at Buffalo to take control of the division and Frazier has just assumed Moore is a decoy and is cheating, Zach is suddenly going to target him with every other pass and he's going to go off. Lafleur and Moore take a joint press conference together after the game where they confess they've been huge fans of each all along, MLF is proclaimed as an offensive genius, and Moore wins OPOTW.

Then Jets lose the remaining four and miss the postseason on the tiebreaker.

This makes the most sense
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 07, 2022, 05:05:00 PM
We tried to target him again and the play was blown dead.  2 touches is better than 0. 

I mean Moore and Berrios are basically playing the same position on offense now.  MLF is using them on that weird orbit motion screen look. 

I’m still waiting for the direct snap to the motion man on that play.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on November 07, 2022, 05:13:57 PM
Maybe MLF is playing the long game and Moore has actually been really happy all along and is just playing his part. Then in the game at Buffalo to take control of the division and Frazier has just assumed Moore is a decoy and is cheating, Zach is suddenly going to target him with every other pass and he's going to go off. Lafleur and Moore take a joint press conference together after the game where they confess they've been huge fans of each all along, MLF is proclaimed as an offensive genius, and Moore wins OPOTW.

Then Jets lose the remaining four and miss the postseason on the tiebreaker.
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Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 07, 2022, 07:41:00 PM
I mean Moore and Berrios are basically playing the same position on offense now.  MLF is using them on that weird orbit motion screen look. 

i may be in the minority but i absolutely hate when we do that. i feel like the guy running around in the backfield accomplishes anything but tricking or decoy-ing the opposing D, and we end up running a play where we scheme one of our guys 7 yards in the backfield doing absolutely nothing. not running a route, not blocking for a runner, nothing.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MoreCharacters on November 07, 2022, 08:55:57 PM
i don't see why moore should be getting the ball instead of berrios on the few end arounds/sweeps/whatever trick plays behind the line of scrimmage that berrios has produced on a couple of times a game

i thought moore was supposed to be a big boy receiver and get open on real plays
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on November 07, 2022, 10:54:51 PM
Highlights

https://twitter.com/NyjMike/status/1589728376649965568?s=20&t=Q-ydSKWxrjVnLrh8G8dtlA
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on November 09, 2022, 09:08:31 AM
According to Saleh, Moore is being moved to the slot permanently.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on November 09, 2022, 09:13:02 AM
According to Saleh, Moore is being moved to the slot permanently.

let's ride
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on November 09, 2022, 10:20:15 AM
According to Saleh, Moore is being moved to the slot permanently.

I’m sure this has nothing to do with how way Garrett has played outside the past two weeks
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 09, 2022, 10:37:02 AM
According to Saleh, Moore is being moved to the slot permanently.
Kind of a weird thing for the staff to say.

Last year, they kept saying Mims couldn't play all their WR positions. Same with Garrett this year.

I bet Moore will still move around. But it does seem clear that the slot is where he is best suited.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: insanity on November 09, 2022, 11:32:12 AM
According to Saleh, Moore is being moved to the slot permanently.
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Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on November 09, 2022, 11:42:02 AM
It will be interesting to see what we do once Davis is back healthy. Hopefully Mims continues to ingratiate himself to the coaching staff so that he remains active on game days over Smith.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on November 09, 2022, 11:52:24 AM
It will be interesting to see what we do once Davis is back healthy. Hopefully Mims continues to ingratiate himself to the coaching staff so that he remains active on game days over Smith.

I think you put Mims and Davis on the field at the same time.  Put Davis in the slot on tight formations and run the football.  I think you can isolate Garrett Wilson opposite twins of Davis/Mims.  I really hope LaFleur does this. 

We have the personnel to line up with two tight ends and two really good blocking wideouts.  This will help our outside run game out in a big way. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on November 09, 2022, 11:55:27 AM
There's some potential looks you can get into where Moore/Berrios/Wilson can take a sweep/pop pass coming towards Mims and Davis. 

QB/RB counter off of a fake jet is a pain in the derriere.  Fields and Jackson have both had success running that.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 09, 2022, 12:37:04 PM
According to Saleh, Moore is being moved to the slot permanently.

I guess it's good for Moore...he'll have to run around a lot less while still not getting targeted
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 09, 2022, 12:45:02 PM
I
I think you put Mims and Davis on the field at the same time.  Put Davis in the slot on tight formations and run the football.  I think you can isolate Garrett Wilson opposite twins of Davis/Mims.  I really hope LaFleur does this. 

We have the personnel to line up with two tight ends and two really good blocking wideouts.  This will help our outside run game out in a big way. 
I wonder if the emergence of Mims opens the staff's eyes to that. Mims, Davis and 2 tight ends on the field is a hell of a run blocking lineup. And those 2 on the outside with Wilson inside is dangerous as well.

I thought if Mims played well that he would replace Davis next year. Turns out he might replace Moore if he plays well.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 11, 2022, 07:39:19 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34997240/texans-wr-brandon-cooks-admits-frustration-want-win

Quote
Texans wideout Brandin Cooks admitted to being frustrated on Thursday, speaking publicly for the first time since the NFL's trade deadline passed on Nov. 1.

The Texans are 1-6-1, which is part of the reason why Cooks hoped to be traded to a contender.

"For me personally, I just at the end of the day want to win and compete now," Cooks said. "That's been my thought process."

Someone post this article in Moore's locker. 
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 11, 2022, 07:42:30 AM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34997240/texans-wr-brandon-cooks-admits-frustration-want-win

Someone post this article in Moore's locker. 
Cooks also missed a game this season because he was so upset he wasn't traded. Not sure Cooks is the best role model right now.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 11, 2022, 09:46:33 AM
Cooks also missed a game this season because he was so upset he wasn't traded. Not sure Cooks is the best role model right now.

It's also almost word-for-word what Moore said post-benching

I get that no one ever wants a player to open his mouth, but since the trade ask, Moore has shut up, put in work and gone out of his way to not say anything stupid

Maybe, and I know this is crazy, but just maybe, the coaches have let him back out of the doghouse and are going to give him the chance to contribute. Isn't the slot where everyone thought he'd be best suited when he was drafted?

Tough love worked for Mims. Let's see if it works for Moore
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 11, 2022, 11:51:43 AM
Cooks also missed a game this season because he was so upset he wasn't traded. Not sure Cooks is the best role model right now.

My point was focused on Cook's comment about winning.

Dude needs to learn that winning doesn't come easy, and he needs to put his head down, STFU and work.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on November 11, 2022, 12:04:44 PM
Moore doesn't care about winning.  He just wants the ball.  He was happier when the Jets were getting blown out and he was getting garbage time stats.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 11, 2022, 01:08:11 PM
Moore doesn't care about winning.  He just wants the ball.  He was happier when the Jets were getting blown out and he was getting garbage time stats.

He literally said the opposite to the media in his first game back after benching

I'm not making this up. I literally watched it on the postgame. He flat out said he didn't care he had no targets because the gameplan dictated it and the gameplan was tailored to the opponent
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 11, 2022, 01:13:01 PM
After watching his interviews in the weeks since his benching, my honest impression is that he thought asking for a trade would make MLF et al think to themselves "We gotta feed him and make him happy"

I don't think he actually wanted a trade. He was looking to be involved and overestimated his worth. Ever since, he's appeared to be back on the right track and it looks like the coaching staff is seeing that as well

This worked with Mims, no reason it can't work with Moore
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 11, 2022, 02:11:14 PM
After watching his interviews in the weeks since his benching, my honest impression is that he thought asking for a trade would make MLF et al think to themselves "We gotta feed him and make him happy"

I don't think he actually wanted a trade. He was looking to be involved and overestimated his worth. Ever since, he's appeared to be back on the right track and it looks like the coaching staff is seeing that as well

This worked with Mims, no reason it can't work with Moore

Yep, let's hope so
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 11, 2022, 03:35:03 PM
I think Moore is a bit crazy, which is why he is so uber religious and believes in some of the Kyrie/Kanye stuff. And why he pissed on the field at Ole Miss.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: guinness77 on November 11, 2022, 03:40:32 PM
Cimini has really been pushing the narrative. 2 tweets about Moore during the Bills game and another after it. Like, you got your story already, we just beat the Bills…focus on that.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Libero_2 on November 11, 2022, 03:45:55 PM
Cimini has really been pushing the narrative. 2 tweets about Moore during the Bills game and another after it. Like, you got your story already, we just beat the Bills…focus on that.

What’s the media line? If it bleeds it leads? What does Saleh saying about winning? It’s more relief that you didn’t lose than jubilation for winning.

Wins are the expectation in pro sports and they don’t drive conversation nearly as well as negative controversy does. Especially in NY when so many Jets fans are addicted to that stuff after a decade of futility and that being the only content to read and access.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: guinness77 on November 11, 2022, 04:52:09 PM
What’s the media line? If it bleeds it leads? What does Saleh saying about winning? It’s more relief that you didn’t lose than jubilation for winning.

Wins are the expectation in pro sports and they don’t drive conversation nearly as well as negative controversy does. Especially in NY when so many Jets fans are addicted to that stuff after a decade of futility and that being the only content to read and access.
I read Twitter a little more than I probably should, but Cimini is really the only one I see keep beating that drum. You broke the story, congrats. It’s been almost a month now and he’s the only media head still talking about it. Typical for him though.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 12, 2022, 09:11:05 AM
Moore went from a potential rising star at WR 2 months ago to a guy who requested a trade and then became an afterthought.

Seems like an interesting story worth covering, especially on a bye week.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 24, 2022, 08:33:36 AM
Quote
Elijah Moore

Thank u God for workinn wayy harder than satan…grateful for the smallest of things. U never said it was goin to be easy but with u I know that anything is possible. Life is full of ups and down and I know that u are what stays consistent. Thank u for ur grace.

Elijah 3:16
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 24, 2022, 09:03:36 AM
"Thank you Father for making Saleh bench that Mormon heathen"
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on November 27, 2022, 03:32:11 PM
This is certainly a quote

https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1596979037586718720?s=19
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Miamipuck on November 27, 2022, 03:37:53 PM
This is certainly a quote

https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1596979037586718720?s=19 (https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1596979037586718720?s=19)

He was talking to his balls?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 29, 2022, 07:47:06 PM
https://twitter.com/kennyducey/status/1597624515303211013?s=46&t=p1LwdpO7FWDK4v8J0ZrtSA
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on November 30, 2022, 07:11:43 AM
https://twitter.com/kennyducey/status/1597624515303211013?s=46&t=p1LwdpO7FWDK4v8J0ZrtSA
I didn't hate this.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: delavan on January 22, 2023, 01:26:50 PM
Like dad like lad

https://twitter.com/Mooretolife2/status/1616977008591880193



Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on January 22, 2023, 01:44:50 PM
Jesus. Can this guy freak off already?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 22, 2023, 01:56:44 PM
The whole family's delusional.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 22, 2023, 02:06:33 PM
Didn't realize that was his dad.

Either way, we need to find a QB. Clearly they've had it with Zach.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on January 22, 2023, 02:24:56 PM
Didn't realize that was his dad.

Either way, we need to find a QB. Clearly they've had it with Zach.

Their opinions are the very last ones that matter. I would guess that Zach has more chance of being a Jet next season than Moore.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2023, 12:32:12 PM
https://twitter.com/josinaanderson/status/1635691600817926157?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg

Josina says Elijah Moore not getting traded
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2023, 12:33:06 PM
https://twitter.com/josinaanderson/status/1635691600817926157?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg

Josina says Elijah Moore not getting traded

https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1604515147053162501
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2023, 12:44:05 PM
Oh excrement we're getting Mbappe?
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2023, 12:49:23 PM
Oh excrement we're getting Mbappe?

Nah, not good enough.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2023, 12:50:53 PM
Nah, not good enough.

We’re getting your boy Messi.

What do you call him, the GOAT? don’t want to misquote
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2023, 12:51:29 PM
We’re getting your boy Messi.

What do you call him, the GOAT? don’t want to misquote

SGAOAT
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2023, 04:09:46 PM
Steve Smith is the comp.  He didn't do excrement until his third season.  He's also a gigantic poopchute. 

I don't have faith in Elijah Moore and I will celebrate if he's traded.  I'll never question his talent.  I will always question his competitiveness and his commitment to winning football.

He is a me-first player until he proves otherwise.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 20, 2023, 04:16:21 PM
Steve Smith is the comp.  He didn't do excrement until his third season.  He's also a gigantic poopchute. 

I don't have faith in Elijah Moore and I will celebrate if he's traded.  I'll never question his talent.  I will always question his competitiveness and his commitment to winning football.

He is a me-first player until he proves otherwise.

That's all fair. My only argument is that his talent warrants us giving him that opportunity. There's nothing preventing us from trading him later on if that's what it comes down to.
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: MBGreen on September 07, 2023, 08:45:21 AM
Trade him to the Broncos so he and DangerRuss can tag team Jesus. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnDLrDMrSXI
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 07, 2023, 03:59:16 PM
josina anderson sucks
Title: Re: Elijah Moore
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 07, 2023, 05:21:15 PM
josina anderson sucks
preach