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Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: Heismanberg on April 06, 2023, 03:59:50 PM

Title: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 06, 2023, 03:59:50 PM
General Managers: 

Heismanberg - Carolina Panthers, San Francisco 49ers, Atlanta Falcons
MBGreen - Minnesota Vikings, Houston Texans, and Buffalo Bills
Cane - New York Jets, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Kansas City Chiefs
Derek Smalls - Jacksonville Jaguars, Green Bay Packers, and Arizona Cardinals
Libero - Detroit Lions, Baltimore Ravens, and Cleveland Browns
Jumbo - Tennessee Titans, Washington Commanders, and Seattle Seahawks
reuben - New Orleans Saints, Philadelphia Eagles and Tampa Bay Buccaneers
casman02 - LA Rams, LA Chargers, and New England Patriots*
Johnny English - Chicago Bears, Denver Broncos, Cincinnati Bengals
SixFeetDeep - Indianapolis Colts and Las Vegas Raiders
Badger - Dallas Cowboys and Miami Dolphins
Giants Bro - New York Giants
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Rules:

We're going to draft the first three rounds.  Every GM will have two teams (for now - JE is trying to hijack the rules). 

We will group pick for all OPEN teams. 

No trades.  No skipped picks. 

Send a DM to the GM that is ON THE CLOCK after your selection is posted. 

If you know you're going to be away from the site (at work, have plans, etc.) for a while, send a Big Board to a couple of other GMs so we can pick for you and keep the draft moving. 

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Selection Format: 

Prospect's Name - Position - School

Picture of the Prospect (if possible)

Brief description of why the pick was made

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Team Selection:

I will randomly assign teams to each GM this afternoon.

If you want to swap teams for an OPEN franchise, that's doable. 
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft
Post by: Johnny English on April 06, 2023, 04:02:47 PM
Why don't you just give everyone three teams? That way you don't have half the league open.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft
Post by: Johnny English on April 06, 2023, 04:03:09 PM
Also why do I get pressed into this but Badger doesn't?
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft
Post by: Heismanberg on April 06, 2023, 04:04:09 PM
Also why do I get pressed into this but Badger doesn't?

message him on Skype and see if YOU CAN CALL
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules
Post by: Heismanberg on April 07, 2023, 11:41:47 AM
Is anyone absolutely opposed to having three teams per GM?
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules
Post by: Jumbo on April 07, 2023, 12:33:48 PM
Is anyone absolutely opposed to having three teams per GM?

If there's only 9 of us that would make it significantly easier
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules
Post by: Heismanberg on April 07, 2023, 12:42:21 PM
If there's only 9 of us that would make it significantly easier

Yep.  We might have 12 or so participants now though. 
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules
Post by: Libero_2 on April 07, 2023, 03:59:36 PM
Not opposed to 3, just worried about how far we can get in a weekend before stuff gets hectic for me next week is all.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules
Post by: Heismanberg on April 09, 2023, 02:17:07 PM
Getting this set up this evening.

Completely forgot it was Easter weekend and my in-laws are here...
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules
Post by: Heismanberg on April 10, 2023, 10:23:35 AM
Everyone good to start this afternoon?

We've got plenty of time to get through three rounds by draft day.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules
Post by: MBGreen on April 10, 2023, 11:11:09 AM
Everyone good to start this afternoon?

We've got plenty of time to get through three rounds by draft day.
Ready to roll
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules
Post by: Libero_2 on April 10, 2023, 11:35:10 AM
Ready over here. Just need to make draft boards for my squads
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules
Post by: Heismanberg on April 10, 2023, 12:22:50 PM
And we're off...
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 10, 2023, 01:22:43 PM
Not a huge fan of the QB class, and i love Will Anderson for the Texans.  One of their needs is edge rusher, and they fill that need in spades.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 10, 2023, 01:27:38 PM
Not a huge fan of the QB class, and i love Will Anderson for the Texans.  One of their needs is edge rusher, and they fill that need in spades.

Mario Williams
Jadeveon Clowney
Will Anderson

Houston lands another blue chip pass rushing prospect
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 10, 2023, 01:34:08 PM
Mario Williams
Jadeveon Clowney
Will Anderson

Houston lands another blue chip pass rushing prospect

DeMeco Ryans after Caserio makes this pick

(https://i.etsystatic.com/16761039/r/il/12456a/4260593338/il_570xN.4260593338_mk7d.jpg)
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 10, 2023, 01:46:11 PM
I don’t see anyway in the world Houston doesn’t take a QB at 2, despite the fact Will Anderson is obviously a superior prospect to all the remaining QBs.

Do we have a draft order post somewhere that I am missing? Want to make sure I’m calling on the correct GM whenever I make my selection(s).
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 10, 2023, 01:47:59 PM
Mario Williams
Jadeveon Clowney
Will Anderson

Houston lands another blue chip pass rushing prospect

If this happened, would it be fair to say that 3 of the 5 best pass rushing prospects of the past 20 years were drafted by the Texans?

The other two in my eyes being Myles Garrett and Chase Young. Am I forgetting somebody?
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 10, 2023, 01:50:05 PM
I don’t see anyway in the world Houston doesn’t take a QB at 2, despite the fact Will Anderson is obviously a superior prospect to all the remaining QBs.

Sometimes you have to think outside the box.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 10, 2023, 01:57:52 PM
If this happened, would it be fair to say that 3 of the 5 best pass rushing prospects of the past 20 years were drafted by the Texans?

The other two in my eyes being Myles Garrett and Chase Young. Am I forgetting somebody?

Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack were pretty special.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 10, 2023, 01:59:36 PM
Also it might be recency bias, but although it was only one season Aidan Hutchinson was a Heisman candidate and the consensus #1 until a week or two before the draft.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 10, 2023, 02:02:43 PM
Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack were pretty special.

Aaron Donald was not thought of as an elite, generational prospect, no matter how otherworldly he ultimately became.

Mack was a top prospect, but I don’t remember him being touted like the 5 I mentioned.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 10, 2023, 02:03:38 PM
Sometimes you have to think outside the box.

You misunderstand, I agree with you. If I was in charge of a franchise, I wouldn’t be hitching my career to any of these guys aside from Young.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 10, 2023, 02:10:37 PM
Do we have a draft order post somewhere that I am missing?

http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,5972.0.html
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 10, 2023, 02:16:26 PM
Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack were pretty special.

so was DeMarcus Ware
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 10, 2023, 02:17:02 PM
You misunderstand, I agree with you. If I was in charge of a franchise, I wouldn’t be hitching my career to any of these guys aside from Young.

Oh word. 

Even if you didn't agree, i'm open to feedback/criticism.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 10, 2023, 02:18:07 PM
The "let's not talk about prospects that haven't been drafted yet" rule is not a thing here.

Anthony Richardson is either going to make someone look like a genius or get someone fired.  I think Carolina might pull the trigger on him. 
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 10, 2023, 02:27:52 PM
The "let's not talk about prospects that haven't been drafted yet" rule is not a thing here.

Anthony Richardson is either going to make someone look like a genius or get someone fired.  I think Carolina might pull the trigger on him. 

All depends on how good your coaching staff is.  If you have an MLF, you're fucked...but if you have a Sean Payton or a Nick Sirianni, then AR could be a sweet investment.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 10, 2023, 02:30:02 PM
All depends on how good your coaching staff is.  If you have an MLF, you're fucked...but if you have a Sean Payton or a Nick Sirianni, then AR could be a sweet investment.

Frank Reich and Josh McCown seems pretty good
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 10, 2023, 02:31:36 PM
Frank Reich and Josh McCown seems pretty good

I think they are too.  But I also think they traded up for Young or Stroud.....taking AR at #1 would be a helluva risky swing with all the capital they traded to move up.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 10, 2023, 02:33:53 PM
The "let's not talk about prospects that haven't been drafted yet" rule is not a thing here.

Anthony Richardson is either going to make someone look like a genius or get someone fired.  I think Carolina might pull the trigger on him. 

I’d be really surprised if Carolina swung that big. I can’t see a scenario where it is a good idea to play Richardson day 1. In Carolina, I have no idea how you can’t play whatever guy you draft day one.

Ultimately I think he gets an entire regime fired. But his best chance to thrive is where he doesn’t play early on.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 11, 2023, 12:03:33 AM
I've been starting to get further into the camp of just betting on traits with quarterbacks. I don't know which quarterbacks will be good. I never was a big Stroud guy. Young is good, but there's also a good chance that 2-3 years from now, you're looking at a 5'11" quarterback who doesn't appear to have elite upside.

Richardson has a low floor, but he is such a freakish athlete. Even if he can't throw, he can run, and he's big enough to take some hits like a Cam Newton. If he can throw a little bit, he can probably be pretty effective. And the ceiling is so high if he hits.

Also, the Will Levis picture is perfect, even if I can't believe he went over Stroud and Richardson.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: reuben on April 11, 2023, 12:41:40 AM
Also, the Will Levis picture is perfect

I was just eating some B&J's Bossin' Creme Pie (meh) but now I need to throw it out and up. 
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 11, 2023, 05:26:50 AM
I figure there are two landing spots in the top 10 for AR15 where he has a shot, Seattle and Detroit. I was going to take him at 6 with Detroit if Seattle didnt take him.

Instead I’ll pair Jalen Carter with Aidan Hutchinson and watch OL in the NFC North weep
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 11, 2023, 12:41:41 PM
Scran SZN
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 11, 2023, 02:17:26 PM
Bears are apparently moving Teven Jenkins to guard this year, so they are presumably in the market for an elite tackle. They seem to be quite high on Braxton Jones so one of them is going to have to learn to play on the right.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 11, 2023, 05:01:08 PM
I find it hard to believe that Stroud will be QB4 on the day.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 11, 2023, 05:01:52 PM
I find it hard to believe that Stroud will be QB4 on the day.

Very unlikely, but there's always the chance Las Vegas or Indy prefer Will Levis
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 11, 2023, 05:06:56 PM
4 QBs off the board before the Jets pick is more than ideal
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 11, 2023, 05:10:13 PM
I’m big chillin with the Jets pick right now.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 11, 2023, 05:28:50 PM
4 QBs off the board before the Jets pick is more than ideal
I'd be shocked if it isn't at least 3.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 11, 2023, 07:06:37 PM
I love Darnell Wright, and I want Darnell Wright. I think people focusing on the fact that he was a better RT than LT limits their valuation of his talent, but that’s honestly the best case scenario for the Jets. Get a guy who can step in immediately at RT, then figure out your LT solution with three guys who all have histories playing on the left side (Brown, Becton, Mitchell).
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 11, 2023, 07:15:08 PM
I love Darnell Wright, and I want Darnell Wright. I think people focusing on the fact that he was a better RT than LT limits their valuation of his talent, but that’s honestly the best case scenario for the Jets. Get a guy who can step in immediately at RT, then figure out your LT solution with three guys who all have histories playing on the left side (Brown, Becton, Mitchell).

I don’t think there is a better scenario than us getting Wright, that’s moderately realistic. Let’s the Bucs parallels continue as we secure a top tier RT at 13, whom others passed on purely because they only saw him as a RT.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 12, 2023, 10:20:26 AM
I love Darnell Wright, and I want Darnell Wright. I think people focusing on the fact that he was a better RT than LT limits their valuation of his talent, but that’s honestly the best case scenario for the Jets. Get a guy who can step in immediately at RT, then figure out your LT solution with three guys who all have histories playing on the left side (Brown, Becton, Mitchell).

well done...love the Wright pick. Such an excellent fit for us.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 12, 2023, 01:05:29 PM
For some reason I thought I was picking for Washington instead of Green Bay at first. Broderick Jones at 16 is a steal and who I would have taken.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 12, 2023, 01:30:03 PM
Broderick Jones at 16 is a steal and who I would have taken.

He's got great potential and it's a strong pick, but I think we might see several of the tackles go a little later than expected. 
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 12, 2023, 03:29:37 PM
He's got great potential and it's a strong pick, but I think we might see several of the tackles go a little later than expected. 

I think so too. The OT class isn’t nearly as good as originally expected. I wouldn’t be shocked if all the lineman aside from 1 are there at 13. I suspect we have a heavy run on DL early followed by corners. I bet we get 8 of those in the top 15. Anderson, Carter, Wilson, Smith, Murphy, Gonzales, Witherspoon, porter Jr.

If that happens that’s 4 QBs, JSN, one lineman and another guy rounding out your top 15.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 12, 2023, 03:37:09 PM
Williams
St. Brown
Flowers

nasty
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 12, 2023, 03:38:51 PM
Williams
St. Brown
Flowers

nasty

Thats the hope. Wanted a corner, but if the backup plan is that WR corps? That’s all worth it
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Jumbo on April 12, 2023, 04:35:23 PM
With the Seahawks grabbing a QB I'd ideally like to grab a weapon, but Flowers would have really been the only player I would consider at 20 besides JSN. Instead, try to fix the disastrous DL with a high-upside pick which the Seahawks seem to love to make in general and take Bresee, who has top 10 talent.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 12, 2023, 04:49:02 PM
Bresee is going to be one of the best value picks in the first round. 

There's a couple edge players I'm surprised to still see on the board.  This is a good draft to move back in.  It's feel like the best value is in the late teens, early 20s.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 12, 2023, 09:14:31 PM
I dont know who Giants Bro is, but they are up.

Darnell Washington isn't the biggest Jags need but he is a really fun pick to make, and it can make logical sense if you love the player.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: reuben on April 12, 2023, 10:26:32 PM
I dont know who Giants Bro is, but they are up.

Oh excrement do we have a new member?

Paradice, your hazing period is over, congratulations!
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 13, 2023, 08:27:17 AM
I'll pick for the Giants around noon if we don't see a pick by then
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: delavan on April 13, 2023, 09:20:09 AM
He's got great potential and it's a strong pick, but I think we might see several of the tackles go a little later than expected.
He sure does and it sure would be - coach that UGA big boy up.   

1/8/2023   Mia  11; NYJ 6 ---  full stop
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 13, 2023, 10:37:33 AM
A run on ...tight ends! 
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 13, 2023, 10:39:30 AM
A run on ...tight ends! 

Didn't the Giants bring in Darren Waller?
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 13, 2023, 10:45:15 AM
Didn't the Giants bring in Darren Waller?

Waller + Kincaid SZN
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 13, 2023, 11:56:03 AM
I was surprised to see Myles Murphy fall into the Bills' lap....really surprised.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 14, 2023, 06:54:04 AM
I would be NERVOUS if I was the Texans fan and we passed on one of the top QBs at 2 and didn’t trade out, but honestly getting a pairing of Anderson and Hooker would be an amazing haul for them.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 14, 2023, 06:57:32 AM
I would be NERVOUS if I was the Texans fan and we passed on one of the top QBs at 2 and didn’t trade out, but honestly getting a pairing of Anderson and Hooker would be an amazing haul for them.

Yeah, i debated that for a bit.  But i think they can ride Mills while Hooker heals and sits for a year.  Getting JSN along with the other 2 you mentioned, i love their haul so far.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 14, 2023, 12:40:59 PM
Yeah, i debated that for a bit.  But i think they can ride Mills while Hooker heals and sits for a year.  Getting JSN along with the other 2 you mentioned, i love their haul so far.
Oh duh, I forgot about JSN. Absolute dream scenario for them.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 14, 2023, 12:57:48 PM
Having two top 15 picks and ending up with an old and injured Hendon Hooker would be very underwhelming for me as a Texans fan.

I imagine they would have tried to trade up to get Stroud in this scenario.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 14, 2023, 01:00:46 PM
Having two top 15 picks and ending up with an old and injured Hendon Hooker would be very underwhelming for me as a Texans fan.

I imagine they would have tried to trade up to get Stroud in this scenario.

He's 25.


Old = Aaron Rodgers
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 14, 2023, 01:03:33 PM
I actually think the Texans should roll with Mills.  He didn't stand a chance under Lovie Smith's draconian coaching.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 14, 2023, 01:24:20 PM
He's 25.

I'm with Mack on this one. 

A prospect that turns 26 as a rookie is not worth a draft choice even if they are perfectly healthy.  I also think the offense. that he plays in helped him out quite a bit. 
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 14, 2023, 01:30:21 PM
I'm with Mack on this one. 

A prospect that turns 26 as a rookie is not worth a draft choice even if they are perfectly healthy.  I also think the offense. that he plays in helped him out quite a bit. 

Well, to be fair...i hate this entire QB draft class.  And i didn't want to burn a high 1st rounder on one.


Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 14, 2023, 01:32:21 PM
Well, to be fair...i hate this entire QB draft class.  And i didn't want to burn a high 1st rounder on one.

It makes sense given how the board fell.  My opinion has a strong NYJ bias.  I wouldn't want us to draft him.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 14, 2023, 01:37:33 PM
It makes sense given how the board fell.  My opinion has a strong NYJ bias.  I wouldn't want us to draft him.

the only QBs the Jets have shown any interest in to my knowledge are Hacksaw Max Duggan and that Aidan O'Connell kid. 
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 14, 2023, 03:25:09 PM
I'm with Mack on this one. 

A prospect that turns 26 as a rookie is not worth a draft choice even if they are perfectly healthy.  I also think the offense. that he plays in helped him out quite a bit. 

If a guy is that “old” as a QB and is a dominant, sure fire top 5 pick, he’s not worth picking IMO. Brandon Weeden showed that as a good o great college QB, he only was that because he was more experienced and smarter than college sophomores and Juniors etc. when he wasn’t more experienced than everyone else any more in the NFL he never got any better and regressed as a player.

I expect the same for Hooker.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 14, 2023, 11:56:34 PM
My bad.

I had Jumbo’s board but we’re in San Antonio for the night.  Just now checking the site.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 15, 2023, 01:07:58 PM
I'm with Mack on this one. 

A prospect that turns 26 as a rookie is not worth a draft choice even if they are perfectly healthy.  I also think the offense. that he plays in helped him out quite a bit.
Having two top 15 picks and ending up with an old and injured Hendon Hooker would be very underwhelming for me as a Texans fan.

I imagine they would have tried to trade up to get Stroud in this scenario.


“Old and injured” is a really short sighted way to view Hooker. He’ll be back healthy soon and it’s just a turn up knee, which is basically a non issue outside of the short time he’ll be out of football action.

As far as his age goes teams in the business of finding QBs can’t be worried about a two or three year difference when it will have almost no affect on his longevity on the team. If he’s entering his prime as a 27 or 28 year old, fine, especially when the money is still good and your only goal is getting him to play at a high level.

I don’t know if Bobby slowik will be legit or another MLF, but he has enough of a pedigree where he’s been to incorporate concepts that made him work at UT. I’d happily use a second on a shot a QB when if you’re not sold on the top group, especially when he could easily be argued as the 3rd best of the group.


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Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 15, 2023, 04:23:17 PM
He’s four years older than Bryce Young and CJ Stroud.

He’s a system QB that has likely already maxed out physically. 
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 15, 2023, 06:40:51 PM
He’s four years older than Bryce Young and CJ Stroud.

He’s a system QB that has likely already maxed out physically.
But physically he’s good. He can make the throws he needs to make, his feet, arm, and pocket presence are NFL ready, and he’s an effective runner.

The question is “can he make the mental adjustment?”, which isn’t something that is more likely to hit a guy because he starts in the NFL at a younger age. It’s great that Stroud and Young are younger, but they’re obviously premium prospects.  It’s also not a comparison of who is better at age 25, it’s a question of who is better 2/3/4 years from now. If the guy is 25 or 27 or 29 at that point, does it matter?

Also, as far as the system goes, it’s clear Heupel has given him windows to make his life easier, but that’s pretty much the nature of the beast in modern college QB evaluation.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 15, 2023, 07:18:05 PM
If the guy is 25 or 27 or 29 at that point, does it matter?

Have we ever seen an old QB prospect work out? 

The only ones I can think of are Weeden, Henson, and Weinke. 
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 15, 2023, 07:25:30 PM
There's a couple of more traditional linebackers available, but Sanders can help them in two areas of need due to scheme versatility.  He can rush the passer from inside linebacker and on the edge.  He's got a ways to go as a run defender, but he has the traits to become a special defender.

Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 15, 2023, 07:27:16 PM
Have we ever seen an old QB prospect work out? 

The only ones I can think of are Weeden, Henson, and Weinke. 

Going straight from the draft to the NFL maybe not, but there are a few guys who didn't get to the NFL until they were older and went on to be great e.g. Warner.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 16, 2023, 04:27:02 AM
Have we ever seen an old QB prospect work out? 

The only ones I can think of are Weeden, Henson, and Weinke.
I think the better comparison is for guys who just took longer to “get it.” In an era of the money for young QBs being low while the slack is super small for anyone, taking a guy with maturity who you think can play makes sense.

Guys Hooker’s age haven’t worked out a ton because there’s really little precedent for a draft prospect to be that age. Hooker just had the perfect storm of being an old college entrant, having a redshirt, and doing a Covid year, which no one else ever had (outside of guys who added a year bc of a medical red shirt).
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 16, 2023, 05:50:27 AM
There were four positions that I was strongly considering for these picks, and the depth at those spots is why I really do hope the Rodgers thing drags on past the draft. Adding two more guys in the second could be huge for us in 2023.

Tippman is a more than acceptable consolation prize to Schmitz, and despite being a really smart player he is also still very much an ascending talent. Getting two OL starters would be a major victory for this team.

Sydney Brown is just a super talented player who doesn’t get the hype that he deserves. I know he fits with what the Jets want from their safeties because he shares a lot of base traits with Lamarcus Joyner (especially the younger version), except just way more explosive as an athlete (9.66 RAS, one of the best of all safeties). There’s really nothing he can’t do or won’t do 100%, which should pair really well with Chuck Clark.

As much as I considered going DT here, the guy that I think would fit best with our need wasn’t the top value, plus I feel like I would be able to hypothetically get a strong rotation guy later with the depth at the position.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 16, 2023, 07:37:54 AM
Sydney Brown is just an all-around badass player
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 16, 2023, 03:59:58 PM
I admittedly haven't really been tape-watching Hooker to have that strong of an opinion on him. But if you give me an archetype of a 25-year old QB entering the NFL who didn't break out until age 23 in college, that's not someone too appealing for me.

I don't think he's a bad pick in the 2nd round. I just think the Texans should be taking a swing at one of the other quarterbacks, unless you just hate all of them. MB hates them, so I get it, but I wouldn't love it if I were a Texans fan.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 16, 2023, 04:01:56 PM
Maybe the Jets just take Sydney Brown and Chase Brown and try to recreate our Quinnen/Quincy magic, except with twins.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 16, 2023, 10:39:46 PM
Maybe the Jets just take Sydney Brown and Chase Brown and try to recreate our Quinnen/Quincy magic, except with twins.
In my hypothetical mock finishing the draft for the Jets, I have Chase Brown as a major option for the 5th rounder.  I think he would add some dynamic ability that a Ty Johnson couldn’t as a change of pace back.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 16, 2023, 10:55:12 PM
I think he would add some dynamic ability that a Ty Johnson couldn’t as a change of pace back.

Not trying to take anything away from Chase Brown here, but dcm would be a more dynamic back than Ty Johnson.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 17, 2023, 05:55:47 AM
Fair. Very fair.


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Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: delavan on April 17, 2023, 06:50:17 AM
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Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Jumbo on April 17, 2023, 09:23:25 PM
The Commies would have to be happy getting Jones and Banks as their first two picks.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 19, 2023, 01:36:28 PM
Having two top 15 picks and ending up with an old and injured Hendon Hooker would be very underwhelming for me as a Texans fan.

I imagine they would have tried to trade up to get Stroud in this scenario.

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"I'm hearing the #Texans are not falling in love with CJ Stroud and I don't think they're going to take a QB for the sake of it. There's also something to the fact that Stroud is represented by the same agent (David Mulugheta) who represents Deshaun Watson."

- Peter Schrager (via his latest mock)
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 19, 2023, 01:58:09 PM
Odds have been wild around the Texans pick. Levis was favored to go No. 2 yesterday morning. Now it's looking like it will be back to Will Anderson.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 19, 2023, 02:17:14 PM
Odds have been wild around the Texans pick. Levis was favored to go No. 2 yesterday morning. Now it's looking like it will be back to Will Anderson.

Was that due to the supposedly leaked draft board though?
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 19, 2023, 02:57:08 PM
Can someone pick for the Giants?  I'm in Phoenix and my schedule is shitty right now.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 19, 2023, 10:41:26 PM
the Eagles (reuben) picked out of order.  The Bears were supposed to pick before the Eagles.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 20, 2023, 03:30:11 PM
My bad for being so slow. I spaced this morning on checking then had crazy work stuff.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 21, 2023, 03:19:43 PM
I'm flying back from Phoenix in a few hours, so I'll be much more involved starting tomorrow
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 23, 2023, 06:55:20 AM
Completed my Texans draft....

Will Anderson - EDGE
JSN - WR
Hendon Hooker - QB
Jack Campbell - LB
Andrew Voorhees - G


decent haul for only 3 rounds.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 23, 2023, 10:53:01 AM
Bears:

OT Paris Johnson
NT Siaki Ika
EDGE Isaiah Foskey
CB Kelee Ringo

Not heavy on the skill players but I think fans would be reasonably happy with this draft.

Broncos:

CB DJ Turner
C Luke Wypler

Meh. Not too much you can do when you already mortgaged everything for Russ and don't get a pick until the third round.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 23, 2023, 11:28:36 AM
That Bears draft is v good
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Libero_2 on April 23, 2023, 06:00:15 PM
The Cleveland Browns completed their epic franchise altering draft earlier today.

74 - Keeanu Benton

Browns fans are welcome to submit my name for their next GM vacancy.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 23, 2023, 06:11:08 PM
Great job everyone....we might actually complete this before Thursday night
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 12:29:59 PM
I have a meeting and then I'll make the Giants pick to keep us going
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2023, 12:32:14 PM
Steen already went to KC at the bottom of the second.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2023, 12:40:49 PM
Editing, sorry. Was going to take 2 cornerbacks then saw both were taken in the selections thread.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2023, 01:28:29 PM
Bengals:

RB Jahmyr Gibbs
S Jordan Battle
WR Kayshon Boutte

I don't love Gibbs in the first round but the Bengals are good enough they can afford luxury picks, and I don't trust Mixon to be available next season because he's a dick who's determined to find ways to freak up. Boutte has interesting upside and that offense seems like a good place for him to grow into his potential.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: reuben on April 25, 2023, 07:41:41 PM
Holy excrement... nobody took Mazi Smith?

We need a master list of updated prospects next year. 
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 25, 2023, 07:45:37 PM
Holy excrement... nobody took Mazi Smith?

We need a master list of updated prospects next year. 
It wouldn't be the first time I missed a guy who was taken, but unless both Mazi and Smith were spelled wrong, he was still there.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: casman02 on April 25, 2023, 07:47:00 PM
Shame we need to redo this in the next 2 days to account for the Rodgers deal
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2023, 08:17:59 PM
Damn you, Libero!
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Cane on April 26, 2023, 04:03:17 AM
It wouldn't be the first time I missed a guy who was taken, but unless both Mazi and Smith were spelled wrong, he was still there.
I think that’s about where Mazi should go. His athleticism is overhyped. I have him as the 10th DL and he was actually drafted as the 10th DL.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2023, 08:54:01 AM
That's a wrap.  Thanks everyone for participating and keeping things light. 

Post your classes here:  2023 Draft Classes  (http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,5982.0.html)
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 09:06:06 AM
That's a wrap.  Thanks everyone for participating and keeping things light. 

Post your classes here:  2023 Draft Classes  (http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,5982.0.html)

a day before the draft.  Very efficient fellas.  Great job.
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2023, 09:06:28 AM
a day before the draft.  Very efficient fellas.  Great job.

perfect timing

you should go to Mexico more often
Title: Re: 2023 JetOffensive 3 Round Mock Draft Rules + Discussion
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2023, 09:11:55 AM
perfect timing

you should go to Mexico more often

I wouldn't say no