I really tried getting into this show, but just can't.
What did your attempt consist of?
I really tried getting into this show, but just can't.
Well, we found one person who can never give Alio excrement about BB again.
Best bad lip reading
JE as well.
whens season 4?No premiere date yet, probably early April.
I love Game Of Thrones. It's Breaking Bad that bored me silly.
not really looking forward to this season after that uneventful episode 10 from season 3. ZzZzZZzzzzz
There is one show left with 'stories' (read that with a British accent).
Justified?
It is amazing that there's only 4-5 people here watching this show, what's wrong with everyone?
It doesnt start off strong. I'll get to it because I trust you guys for the most part.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/21/telltale-is-developing-a-game-of-thrones-game
This is seriously the best news i've heard all week. Telltale did the walking dead game (i'll say it again....BUY IT if you haven't played it).
I played the shitty game of thrones RPG and I have the RTS one i got during a steam sale....but aside from the lore of it, they both blow. GRRM basically sold "Cyanide" (fitting company name) the rights to them awhile back, and the underfunded and crappy studio basically butchered both games.
But telltale is an awesome developer...this game is gonna be freaking amazing. I been hoping for a long time a company like Bioware/Bethesda would do a GoT/aSoIaF themed game but telltale is pretty much as good as it gets otherwise
That is cool news.
The telltale games had a better story than the actual show IMO.
But holy excrement, if Bethesda got a hold of ASOIAF, I would excrement my pants with glee.
It actually sucks that the game gets stigmatized by some (including some on this board) because of how lazy and crappy the writing of the show is
I just don't want to cry.
I bet Tommy cried. But he was also blackout drunk when he played the end. So I don't know if that helps or hurts the cause
There's been a 2014 HBO promo going around with a handful of very brief shots from season 4.
I'll post the least spoilery one:
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Probably Reagan.
nah dudeGray-me?
rhaegon (pronounced ray-gone)
started season 1 on New Years' Eve....I'm at Episode 7 of Season 2 currently.
You didn't watch the show? I thought you did. How do you like it so far?
Nope...didn't start until this week.
It's excellent. I've been catching up instead of watching bowl games.
Why not watch the Bowl games then catch up in the three months before the next season picks up?
trailer for season 4 is officially up
Is that the 9 minute trailer? im at work.
http://winteriscoming.net/2014/01/hbo-releases-first-batch-of-season-4-photos/
I keep getting confused by Daario 2.0.
freaking Awesome.
Also, i never really noticed it before, but the dragons are actually Wyverns. Not sure if that was actually the case in the books.
What kind of dragon did you think they looked like?
I was never able to imagine them straight out of the books since I watched the first two seasons of the show first.
Edit: I guess you mean two-legged as opposed to four-legged.
What kind of dragon did you think they looked like?
I was never able to imagine them straight out of the books since I watched the first two seasons of the show first.
Edit: I guess you mean two-legged as opposed to four-legged.
really?
I watched part of the first season then started reading the books. For some reason I thought you read the books before the show
but yes, that's what I mean.
This is a dragon
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100113122143/dragonage/images/8/80/Concept-HighDragon.jpg
The ones in Skyrim and apparently in the show are Wyverns
http://vampirewarzone.yolasite.com/resources/wyvern_small.jpg
Lots of good scenes this season.
welcome back, you aussie bastard.
Trailer #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ZNaLQD60Y
I wonder if HBOGo will be better able to handle getting slammed on Sunday nights. Things were pretty choppy last year and it was nearly guaranteed that I'd be watching the majority of the episode in 240p.
it works better on mobile devices and tablets than the computer
Well that's not happening.
For True Detective I've been attaching my laptop to my living room TV via HDMI and watching it on that.
I haven't had any issues with True Detective on HBOGo.
Awesome, one giant Dungeons and Dragons reunion.
No way it'll be anywhere near a Comic Con caliber crowd. GOT is popular with everyone.
These are pretty good.
http://imgur.com/a/q3cE0
I haven't had any issues with True Detective on HBOGo.
Missed the new trailer since HBOGo went full retard.
Showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss tell EW that seven is probably the magic number.
“It feels like this is the midpoint for us,” Benioff says. “If we’re going to go seven seasons, which is the plan, season 4 is right down the middle, the pivot point.”
The seven season goal-line has been floated in the media before, but the writer-producers of the acclaimed fantasy hit series says they’re firmer than before that three more seasons sounds about right.
“I would say it’s the goal we’ve had from the beginning,” Benioff says. “It was our unstated goal, because to start on a show and say your goal is seven seasons is the height of lunacy. Once we got to the point where we felt like we’re going to be able to tell this tale to its conclusion, that became [an even clearer] goal. Seven gods, seven kingdoms, seven seasons. It feels right to us.”
Seven sounds okay to HBO, as well. Or perhaps eight. “I’m expecting to be sitting down with Dan and David to talk season 5 and we’ll talk about how things are looking,” says HBO programming president Michael Lombardo. “We’re all very mindful that they’re having conversations all the time with [author George R.R. Martin]. I think they do feel bullish enough that there’s enough story to deliver through season 7. I hate to sound greedy, but our longest shows have gone 7 or 8 seasons, so seven is a nice long run for us.”
Of course, there’s the whole matter of Thrones catching up to Martin’s source material, since the author has released only five of his planned seven-novel Song of Ice and Fire series. Check out last year’s exclusive deep dive on the issue of Thrones catching up. Thrones returns to HBO on April 6.
I have to say, I see Martin's name on a lot of books in Barnes & Noble lately. Only a couple of them are ones he's written (while not writing SoIaF), but he's edited quite a few. Granted, that's not time spent writing other stories, but that's an awful lot of time that could be spent writing the rest of the series.
Yeah, he's involved in a lot of side projects. Trust me, we all wish he could just sit down and churn out the rest of the story, but he's gonna do what he wants to do.
Personally, I don't care. I couldn't read his writing. I only care about the HBO series, and since the team knows the ending, it doesn't make a difference to me. I feel bad for people like you who are loyal readers though.
I'm going to watch this progrim with my eyes, and use my ears to process the audio portion, Saul.
I was absolutely shocked when you said you don't smoke pot.
"Two Swords" is clearly a euphemism for the gay sex scene.
That would be "crossed swords" sir.
I read all the sample chapters that were out about a year ago, but I haven't touched anything that's been put out there since then. It just feels weird to absorb it in bits and pieces and I haven't retained a single thing from the parts I did read.
2:1 odds this chick has a nose ring and short hair
2:1 odds this chick has a nose ring and short hair
By the way Natalie Dormer just got your favorite haircut for her role in the next Hunger Games movie.
I already said I don't like the one she got. It doesn't make her more attractive, not even as a novelty.
HBO has 2 channels dedicated to a GOT marathon. It started yesterday, so I would imagine they are deep into season 2 today.
Haven't checked as I've been watching True Detective on demand.
Good timing for a free HBO weekend.
Me and the bitch are gonna start this show tomorrow, finally.
Is it anything like vikings? We enjoy that show.
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I have no idea what Viking is but I can't imagine any series being comparable to Game of thrones for a lot of reasons.
the mini kenny powers avatar was better.
the mini kenny powers avatar was better.That was Mexican kenny powers.
Vikings is on history channel. It's pretty gnarley and can get gruesome, for cable at least.
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I understand that if any more words come pouring out of your queynte mouth, I'm going to have to eat every freaking chicken in this room.
“There’s a scene in the final episode that definitely represents the highest dollars-per-second cost we’ve had so far,” showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss teased to The News in a joint email.
The rest of the article has some slight spoilers but this sounds promising:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/game-thrones-returns-producers-promise-stakes-higher-article-1.1744627
did Ned star get beheaded with his own sword or was that just a metaphor they were drawing? also what was his name for his sword?
Yes, and Ice.
Kind of surprised how many people complained about the Daario recast. He was on screen for 5 minutes and people are already saying he's too wussy.
That clears up some confusion, I was wondering who that guy was.
It seemed like they dropped his name several times to help ease that transition.
"Where's Daario Naharis? Oh, there you are Daario Naharis. Cut that excrement out, Daario Naharis."
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Last page of Ser Gerold Hightower's entry:
..while defending the banner and property of the Dornish Princess, Elia Martell.
Handed command to Ser Arthur Dayne due to sustained injuries the same year. Broke three lances against Oswell Whent at the Tourney at Harrenhal and fought with great distinction the melee. Dispatched by King Aerys to locate the crown Prince Rhaegar Targaryen in the wake of Robert Baratheons rebellion.
Died in the Red Mountains of Dorne alongside his sworn brothers, Ser Arthur Dayne and Oswell Whent, after refusing to bow a knee to the new King, Robert Baratheon, all three were defeated by a small force led by Lord Eddard Stark of Winterfell.
First page of Ser Arthur Dayne's entry:
Sicond Son Beric Dayne of the house Starfall. Named 'Sword of the Morning' and wielder of the great white blade 'Dawn' forged from a fallen star. Won many tourneys and broke twelve lances against Rhaegar Targary, Prince of Dragonstone at the tourney of Storm's End. In the year of the False Spring, at the Great Tourney at Harrenhal, he stood against all but the Prince once more.
Beloved by the people, he acted as their voice in the reign of Aerys II, gathering their concerns and bringing them before the King. Brought in laws for the royal forces to repay the smallfolk for their goods and turned the tide of support against the criminal scourge of the Kingswood Brotherhood, led the Kingsguard to victory.
Jaime Lannister's entry so far:
Squired for Ser Barristan Selmy against the Kingswood Outlaws. Knighted and named to the Kingsguard in his sixteenth year for valor in the field. At the sack of King's Landing, murdered his King, Aerys the Second, at the foot of the Iron Throne.
Pardoned by King Robert Baratheon, thereafter known as the Kingslayer.
Making the Thenn's canibals was kind of stupid.
They're supposed to be the most organized and lawful of the wildlings.
Yeah, I'm not sure why they went in that direction. Maybe they're just really hierarchically organized cannibals.
Is "Martell" Caitlyn Stark's maiden name? Or is she a "Tyrell".Tully
Tully
Maybe someone that read the books can clear this up: What/who is dornish? Are they one of the 7 families/kingdoms? I understand Oberyn is dornish, I guess I just don't get the difference between that and his last name.
Also, I think I'm getting tyrell/martell mixed up.
Oh right. Thanks dude.
Too many families.
Dorne is at the bottom of Westeros. It looks a little bit like Long Island but it's a peninsula instead.
The Martells are the ruling family in Dorne, like the Starks were/are in the North. Doran Martell was invited to King's Landing, but since he's gouty as a lover of the older lady he sent his brother Oberyn instead.
The Dornish people are ethnically descended from the Rhoynar from Essos (the continent Dany is on) which is why they are darker-skinned than most of Westeros.
The Tyrells are the ruling family in the Reach, which is adjacent to Dorne, to the northwest. There is some friction between the Martells and Tyrells.
One thing I'm seeing surprisingly little discussion about is Cersei's handmaiden presumably snitching on Tyrion/Shae.
One thing I'm seeing surprisingly little discussion about is Cersei's handmaiden presumably snitching on Tyrion/Shae.
Another thing I noticed, did the Hound say he and Arya are headed to the Vale? That impenetrable castle with the crazy bitch and her weeeeird son? yeah that should work out well.
Did non-readers recognize Janos Slynt sitting on the panel that was interrogating Jon?
For those who didn't he was the commander of the City Watch in King's Landing who betrayed Ned in season 1. Tyrion fires him and sends him to the wall in season 2.
Puck you read the books?
Did non-readers recognize Janos Slynt sitting on the panel that was interrogating Jon?I recognized it!
For those who didn't he was the commander of the City Watch in King's Landing who betrayed Ned in season 1. Tyrion fires him and sends him to the wall in season 2.
GOT renewed for seasons 5 and 6.Wow given it's really low ratings and unappealing story, this is a gigantic surprise.
GOT renewed for seasons 5 and 6.
Dat Dornish wine!
ANd Martell's paramour -- so fine! Remember her from Rome, Saul?
I remember her from Luther.
ZOEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
I read thru book 4, but I am dreading reading book 5, I started it and just never finished. Book 4 was a little boring to me it was all my least favorite characters with the exception of one or two. I was not a fan of that format in the least.
Book 4 was boring as excrement. That's pretty much universal.
Book 5 was much better than 4 but not as good as 1-3. Give it a chance. It has the good characters
Peter Dinklage is doing an AMA today at noon EST.
^Beat me to it.
Good start to the season. A little surprised that they put the tavern scene in so early in the season. Also interesting how Arya's frenzied, enraged revenge kill from the books was changed to more of a calculated sociopath moment.
My provider is being a rooster this weekend. I want to order HBO and fail. Everything is closed and the online is under construction? If anyone gets a good stream of tonight's episode, please PM, thank you.
Just wait a few hours after it airs on the east coast and someone will put up a quality rip of it.
They are absolutely ruining Stannis by making him some type of religious zealot.
In the books he burned the Florent because he was a legitimate traitor, not because of the god thing. Alester Florent was an poopchute, now they're making him out to be kind.
They also butchered the line last season about going to the wall making Stannis look like some red god fanatic.
Stannis is one of my favorite characters, hard to see this incarnation of him.
so glad they did the midget thing
Yeah, I don't really agree with the show's portrayal of him so far. Stannis is supposed to make that choice because it's the right thing to do, not because Mel told him to do it.
It's definitely an intentional choice since they're doing a pretty fine job of making Jaime likable.
I don't think Stannis seems like a red god fanatic, it still looks like he's just using it as a means to an end. So far that's the only thing that's getting any results.
Edit: the infidel line doesn't really help my argument though
yeah, i theorized this last season since in the books you can see Stannis' sense of justice a bit easier. He was an derriere in book 2 but slowly became a better leader/character.
it's harder to do that with limited screen time. However I thought that would fall off this season, maybe later...
Oh, and a heartfelt freak you to anyone who just couldn't help but immediately change their Facebook status to give away spoilers 30 seconds after the show finished.
Well they did a fantastic job of making sure no one would be pissed off about a kid dying.
The show characterizes him as a teenager old enough to know better. Is he younger in the books?
All the young characters are aged up from the books, like Robb in the books is 16 at the time of his death, Joffrey is two years younger iirc, Daenarys is only like 15 or 16 at this point she was 14 in the books when Khal Drogo was banging her, that was the main reason they aged up all the kids.
Screenshots from Bran's weirwood vision: http://imgur.com/a/AJYUE
Some light implied spoilers in the album's commentary, but nothing serious. Avert your eyes if you want.
The show characterizes him as a teenager old enough to know better. Is he younger in the books?
It's too bad Joffrey never found out that his real parents are brother and sister.
I think in the books he may have heard rumors but didn't believe them as everyone around him convinced him it was nonsense.
He heard rumors on the show as well, he mentioned them being preposterous, I forget exactly how he brushed them off.
I haven't read the books, so as someone who has no idea what is coming and who is discovering the story for the first time Jamie does indeed come across as being a pretty good character (despite freaking his sister). Stannis is just an uninteresting irrelevance, I'm sure he will become important at some point but so far his only purpose appears to be to have provided an excuse for a cool sea battle scene.
Oh, and a heartfelt freak you to anyone who just couldn't help but immediately change their Facebook status to give away spoilers 30 seconds after the show finished.
I thought King's tweet about spoiling the deaths of Romeo and Juliet was pretty funny.
Stop checking social media during/after the episode. It seems like avoiding this problem should be incredibly easy.
I agree on that one.
Even ignoring that we're firmly entrenched in the era of the DVR and people watching things days after they originally air, that's kind of unfair to the west coast, no?
You should be able to casually scroll through your timeline without a major spoiler 3 hours before you have an opportunity to see it.
I have someone in my Twitter timeline who had Captain America 2 completely spoiled on Friday night of opening weekend. That's ridiculous.
This is like complaining about people having conversations about it in a coffee shop or bar. It's an open space.
Directly texting you about it one thing but if you're going to go read peoples' random thoughts in cyber space you're going to run this risk.
This is like complaining about people having conversations about it in a coffee shop or bar. It's an open space.
To take your example to its logical conclusion, if you're sitting in a pub talking with a couple of friends about a show that was on earlier and another friend walks in who you know is watching it as well, do you tell him to freak off and watch the show before he joins you or do you not have the conversation in front of him until you know he's up to speed?
^ a fortune to be made...if that's turned into a t-shirt.It should be the tailgate motto.
It should be the tailgate motto.
we can use this pic instead of Joffrey's. Plenty of queynte here.
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^Inverted Graham Elliot
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^Inverted Graham Elliot
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We're going into the 4th year of the show so the kids aren't kids any longer, I think for the most part they were age appropriate compared to the book at the start, some exceptions aside.
I wish they titled the episode goodbye queynte.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/04/13/george-r-r-martin-why-joffrey-killed/
I certainly never think to give that kid enough credit for the job he did making Joffrey so easy to hate. As for how he died, it looked pretty clear to me that it was poisoning. I don't know how it was portrayed in the book, but right after the first cough it was pretty clear he wasn't just choking. The foaming at the mouth was a pretty obvious indicator too.
The book was similar. They had to do it that way to dumb it down for people and make it obvious.
The show has pretty consistently been less subtle than the books, but they've done it well.
It was pretty funny when season 1 aired and some people who read the books didn't realize Renly was gay. But now I feel like I'm in the same boat with Cersei's accusation that Brienne loves Jaime.
Too bad hair doesn't grow back or anything.
Too bad I can't erase that pic from my memory.
Really? Some of the excrement that enters your lips and a hot broad shaves her head and you can't get over it?
Really? Some of the excrement that enters your lips and a hot broad shaves her head and you can't get over it?
He's cursed with a combination of pickiness and bad taste.
MB picky? Hahahaha.
He's the anti 624
Being picky doesn't necessarily mean you like good things.
He's cursed with a combination of pickiness and bad taste.
I know but he seems to drool all over himself if he sees anything with breasts.
FYP
Negatory
How do you guys like the Queen of Thorns? I find I enjoy whenever they have her in a scene, that character is played to such perfection, I bet Big Blocker masturbates 20 times an episode..... at least in my opinion.
He's cursed with a combination of pickiness and bad taste.
You are wrong
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How is it that everyone is wrong but you're right?
This reminds me of the old saying:
You run into an poopchute in the morning, you ran into an poopchute.
You run into assholes all day long, you're the poopchute.
Ruined by an haircut.
That's all it takes.
Grow the hair back, and she's back in business
In the grand scheme of Hollywood hotness she's a mid-level player. She's the Marty Havlat of Hollywood hotties; can be good and you wouldn't object if you signed them, but not going to be anywhere near the top of your fantasy draft.
Good thing you put that in terms everyone will understand.
Good thing I was talking to Puck and MB then, wasn't it?
Good thing you put that in terms everyone will understand.
she's not ugly...but that haircut is awful. If you don't see that...take out your credit card and go buy one of Puck's bridges.
You're about 3 weeks behind on noticing that then.
I already said that, almost two weeks ago. Get with the times.
In the grand scheme of Hollywood hotness she's a mid-level player. She's the Marty Havlat of Hollywood hotties; can be good and you wouldn't object if you signed them, but not going to be anywhere near the top of your fantasy draft.
I can dig that. In actuality there are a number of pics where she looks weird and I do not mean because of the ghastly haircut. I picked out the best pics of course. I just find it absurd a dude that sprinkled cheese dust on a pizza and thought it would be anything but a disaster, can be fussy about anything.
Someone pointed something out that happened during the chaos of the poisoning. Tywin ran over to Tommen to shield his eyes (and to ensure the safety of the one who's next in line for the throne).
Weren't we supposed to make a special forum for Puck, MB and Alio? Put it in there.
Also, when Oberin Martell was shitting all over the Lannisters to their faces, he said Cersei was the former Queen Regent. That will change back since another one of her kids will take the throne.
Surely as the reigning Queen, if only by a few hours, Marjorie Tyrell will assume the throne?
Surely as the reigning Queen, if only by a few hours, Marjorie Tyrell will assume the throne?
How do you guys like the Queen of Thorns? I find I enjoy whenever they have her in a scene, that character is played to such perfection, I bet Big Blocker masturbates 20 times an episode..... at least in my opinion.
As long as there are more funbags I don't really care.
They're not skipping this weekend are they?
Nope. New episode for Easter. Joffrey rises again.
lol @ the idea of Tywin explaining to Tommen where babies come from.
Will people stop complaining about Daario 2.0 not being cool enough now?
Don't know why they changed the funeral sex scene the way they did. In the books it was more "no no no yes yes yes". On the show it was just "no no no" and then they cut away.
eh, i think she was pretty yes yes yes by the end of it.
i noticed a subtle difference but not a huge one
I watched it half asleep but this episode was mostly filler, plot moving stuff. I don't imagine there will be too many more filler episode as so much happens relative to the books.
Yeah, they were setting up a lot of things.
-Sansa's rescue orchestrated by Littlefinger
-Tommen's succession to the throne
-Margaery's next husband
-Tyrion awaiting trial
-Tywin bringing Oberyn into the fold, Oberyn still seeking justice for his sister Elia
-The Hound reminding us he's still shitty
-Stannis continuing to sit at Dragonstone with his thumb in his derriere (but at least Davos has an idea of what to do next)
-The Night's Watch facing the threat of wildling raiders south of the wall, Mance's army north of the wall, and the mutineers at Craster's Keep.
-Dany laying siege to Meereen
Not featured:
-Bran and co. following his visions
-Reek and Ramsay playing at the Dreadfort
-Brienne being completely out of place at King's Landing
What the freak is going on with Littlefinger's accent? He was cut glass English the last time we saw him, now he seems to be going for some kind of pastiche of the Newfie accent.
What the freak is going on with Littlefinger's accent? He was cut glass English the last time we saw him, now he seems to be going for some kind of pastiche of the Newfie accent.
I was surprised that the Stannis storyline isn't further along but then again it's predicated on the Nights Watch Storyline. I will tell you the showrunners have an immense juggling act this season.
He's had a wildly inconsistent accent throughout the series. It's annoying.
Sometimes he sounds like the fictional mayor of Baltimore.
For this portion of the books we basically just don't see Stannis at all for a while. In the show they're adding in that Iron Bank storyline.
For this portion of the books we basically just don't see Stannis at all for a while. In the show they're adding in that Iron Bank storyline.
They're not adding it in. They're taking something that happens much much later and making it happen sooner.
“It was tough to shoot, as well,” says Coster-Waldau. “There is significance in that scene, and it comes straight from the books—it’s George R.R. Martin’s mind at play. It took me awhile to wrap my head around it, because I think that, for some people, it’s just going to look like rape. The intention is that it’s not just that; it’s about two people who’ve had this connection for so many years, and much of it is physical, and much of it has had to be kept secret, and this is almost the last thing left now. It’s him trying to force her back and make him whole again because of his stupid hand.”
So is it rape?
“Yes, and no,” says Coster-Waldau. “There are moments where she gives in, and moments where she pushes him away. But it’s not pretty.”
He adds, “It’s going to be interesting what people think about it.”
Tycho is in the cast this season Badger
I know that. I'm just saying it's playing out differently, it hasn't just moved up in the story.
Sometimes he sounds like the fictional mayor of Baltimore.
I haven't seen the Wire yet but it's definitely part of his Irish accent coming through.
I haven't seen the Wire yet but it's definitely part of his Irish accent coming through.yeah he wasn't very good with the dialect there either. I would love to see him give Brooklyn a go. Lol
He muddled the accent at times in The Wire as well. Not nearly as bad as McNulty, though.
http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/04/tywin-lannister-goes-on-shark-tank-with-an-interesting-proposal/
I'm not a fan of adding in storylines, but we'll see where it goes. Overall, a rather annoying episode for me.
I didn't like adding the Bran hostage situation. I don't see how it is necessary.
John going out to kill the traitors makes sense, them capturing Bran doesn't unless John and Bran meeting plays into the ultimate ending.
I'm not a fan of adding in storylines, but we'll see where it goes. Overall, a rather annoying episode for me.
Yeah, and imagine if they cut out that other storyline that we were expecting to see. Just stupid.
Which are you referring?
CH?
Was it ever shown that BS was CH? Does anyone suspect this?
It was a popular theory but I think there's a solid argument against it.
Yeah true but does GRRM ever not follow through with a storyline in the books. BS just disappearing doesn't sound right.
It was a popular theory but I think there's a solid argument against it.
In case anyone forgot what Locke was up to, he's supposed to be hunting Bran and Rickon for Roose Bolton.
I know I completely forgot and couldn't figure out why he was at Castle Black.
Everyone is overlooking the introduction of the most important character in the series: Ser Pounce.
TIL Alio counts rape as action.
TIL Alio counts rape as action.
Hahahaha. That may well be the worst phrasing of a point I've ever made, which is a feat in itself.
I guess we're just lucky Karl wasn't steakurbating.
Yes. I guess he could still show up, but he already missed his entrance.
In case anyone forgot what Locke was up to, he's supposed to be hunting Bran and Rickon for Roose Bolton.
I know I completely forgot and couldn't figure out why he was at Castle Black.
It was a popular theory but I think there's a solid argument against it.
It wasn't that popular because it was easily dispelled.
Too old
I thought Locke's purpose was there to kill Snow.
Could be. Was that discussed in the last Dreadfort scene? I don't remember.
Thought it was to kill Bran.
It was. Theon admitted to Roose that Bran and Rickon were still actually alive, so he sent Locke to find and kill them. He was told to go to Castle Black to look first.
Thought it was to kill Bran.
To kill him or take him prisoner?
Well Roose is the Ward of the North he has no true claim. He has to get rid of the Starks as they have the true claim and birthright to rule the North. Also most of the main families of the North would follow a rightful member of the House of Stark and not the House of Bolton.
If the Stark girls are still alive , it's irrelevant if they're dead. Unless they marry.
If the Stark girls are still alive , it's irrelevant if they're dead. Unless they marry.
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Hypnosis.
They really like freaking with non-readers with the episode previews.
Why do you say that?
Spoilers
Dany asking her small council if she has enough soldiers to take King's Landing
I wonder if she learned that pose from Lady Olenna. Judging by the dialogue on the show she was quite the monster in the sac back in her day.
I literally hadn't watched one single episode of this show until two weeks ago when I was able to marathon it out over the span of 5 days (spring break) after the 2nd fatal wedding episode. I'm so happy I caught up before any more of the show was spoiled for me. I mean, you see Joffrey at his wedding, and you know he won the war and therefore other people have to die for that to happen, but I was lucky enough to have avoided knowing the how and when. The show is freaking great, and Margaery Tyrell is hot as freak, but I do miss Ros. She was quite a little smoke show herself.
I'm starting to feel really sorry for poor Sansa. Literally nothing goes right for her ever.
I know the people who have read the books have complained about some deviations from the story they know. I also know that they have complained about the later books not being so good. I wonder if GRRM is taking the opportunity to tinker with the story in its later stages and change some elements with which people weren't so happy. (Obviously not having read the books, I'm just conjecturing - I don't know what people were unhappy with in the first place and I don't want to know right now.)
I'm starting to feel really sorry for poor Sansa. Literally nothing goes right for her ever.
I know the people who have read the books have complained about some deviations from the story they know. I also know that they have complained about the later books not being so good. I wonder if GRRM is taking the opportunity to tinker with the story in its later stages and change some elements with which people weren't so happy. (Obviously not having read the books, I'm just conjecturing - I don't know what people were unhappy with in the first place and I don't want to know right now.)
They really like freaking with non-readers with the episode previews.
Loved the episode overall. Jon reuniting with Summer and pretty much kicking derriere was great.
Where is the gif of that poopchute vomiting Jon's sword?
So no Coldhands then.
That sucks
I want Coldhands and Patchface, oh oh oh
I don't know that Patchface has as much of a role, but didn't we see him earlier at one point? Coldhands seemed more integral, but they managed to wipe that out.
(Of course, Vargo Hoat was the biggest omission)
So no Coldhands then.
That sucks
I want Coldhands and Patchface, oh oh oh
It's not too late.
For most of the episode I was thinking "This episode is good, but it's another filler. When do they plan on getting back to some action?"
Then the Craster's Keep scene happened. The sword through the back (of the neck) was great.
I also really liked the exchange between Cersei and Margaery.
A really good episode overall.
You're going to need to come up with a better word than filler for episodes that advance the plot.
Two major things: Dany putting down some roots in Meereen and Littlefinger being revealed as the one who set the entire series in motion with the poisoning of Jon Arryn.
If the episode was nothing but the Arya/Hound and Brienne/Pod buddy comedies I'd give you that, but it wasn't.
Finding out the Lannister gold mines had run dry was pretty big too. Not even book readers knew that (a few people had theorized it).
I could have sworn that was in the books.
It's never stated, and hardly even hinted. If you read between the lines it makes sense as the motivation for the Lannisters to acquire as much political power as possible if their material wealth is running out. Also explains not wanting to lend the crown more money and insisting that the Tyrells pay for half of Joffrey's wedding.
I could have sworn that was in the books.
The Iron Bank of Braavos had a fearsome reputation when collecting debts. Each of the Nine Free Cities had its bank, and some had more than one, fighting over every coin like dogs over a bone, but the Iron Bank was richer and more powerful than all the rest combined. When princes defaulted on their debts to lesser banks, ruined bankers sold their wives and children into slavery and opened their own veins. When princes failed to repay the Iron Bank, new princes sprang up from nowhere and took their thrones.
Mothafuckin' trial by combat!
Tyrion was brilliant in this episode.
It's too bad the rest of this season is mostly just delving into the Westeros legal system and Braavosi finance.
Yeah, that's the problem with getting your big moment out so early in the season. So many episodes devoted to exploring the legality of trial by combat once a trial has been begun.
People that haven't read the book will get a huge surprise though.
Ironic that the scene with the most action was the most "filler" scene in the episode. Really served no purpose other than to show Yara that Theon is a lost cause and to send her packing.
I am curious how did you guys take the Tyrion questioning Varys scene? I have read a few reviews and people totally missed that scene.
I took note of it. Varys certainly never forgets a thing.
I don't know why that post got edited either, but yes I thought the Varys/Tyrion thing was great.
Because other people might read it as a spoiler, whether or not it's a spoiler.
I am curious how did you guys take the Tyrion questioning Varys scene? I have read a few reviews and people totally missed that scene.
Don't worry it's no big deal I just wanted you to know I didn't post that as a spoiler, I have no idea how the storyline ends it was just speculation on my part. That said I started reading book 5.
2.5 honks
Another filler episode I hated it.
That was just Puck being Puck.
How was that filler? The mainest character goes on trial for murder and is betrayed by his woman and his sole ally. Then he drops a gangsta monologue and demands trial by combat. That excrement was awesome.
I can't wait to see The Mountain go knuckles deep in Oberyn's eye sockets. I hate that guy. Also, I liked what they did with Shae. IIRC, Tyrion just stumbles in on her boning Tywin, right? I don't think that would work well with these characters. Far more believable that she just does him dirty at the trial.
I also really liked Davos' scene in the bank. He hadn't really been earning his keep until then. When a man with no fingers applies for a bank loan on behalf of the man who took them, you give that man his loan.
And Mycroft!
Gotta make those spoilers really tough to read.
There's no one color to do that, I tried them all, I agree it looks dumb. Maybe there's a patch for that or you can add a spoiler tag which I have seen on other forums to prevent that useless color thing.
No Sansa or bran last episode. when are we gonna get to the action?
Whoa they end up banging? I guess watching Cersei and Jaime really inspired the young lad.
How does Sansa get him to switch positions? Is it like that Who's Line is it Anyway sketch?
Obviously Bran wargs into Hodor and splits Sansa in half.
Obviously Bran wargs into Hodor and splits Sansa in half.
damn it's warg?
I keep saying Wog.... so embarrassing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog
So I should probably skip my Sunday tradition of shouting "YOURE A WOG, BRAN!" at random passerbys using the Harry potter voice outside the local theatre?
Ironic that the scene with the most action was the most "filler" scene in the episode. Really served no purpose other than to show Yara that Theon is a lost cause and to send her packing.
I had another post saying it was one of the better episodes.Lol I was kidding.
Badger ftw
You're right about the other stuff except I like the Oberyn character, I think he is one of the more interesting on the show.
what do you know, puck likes the character that makes sex jokes at every possible opportunity and bangs gay dudes.
Who is he going to blame for that?
Who is he going to blame for that?
Fillary Clinton episode
Who is he going to blame for that?
Btw freak you Oberyn Martell is cool, that was a great scene with Tyrion.
Who does he have to answer to?
That was a great scene, very cool twist of events.
I'm really glad they kept the story about Oberyn meeting Tyrion as a baby in.
Also, Sansa is TALL.
who's going to breastfeed Robin?
Sansa
he's going to starve
But have way more fun than with his crazy bitch Mom.
Fillary Clinton episode
Littlefinger and Sansa buttsecks is on the horizon.
If you think this episode was filler, you should probably start paying more attention when you watch the show.
You're wasting your time SFD is a lost cause. He's from Connecticut. To reinforce that, Johnny D is also from Connecticut, I rest my case.
If you think this episode was filler, you should probably start paying more attention when you watch the show.
he's also high 24/7 from his own admission
I enjoy the green, but smoking it all day everyday is a totally different thing
I'm pretty sure anyone who has called an episode filler this season besides Alio was joking.
I'm pretty sure anyone who has called an episode filler this season besides Alio was joking.
he's also high 24/7 from his own admission
I enjoy the green, but smoking it all day everyday is a totally different thing
not sure about that.
But surprisingly Alio didn't. I totally expected him to.
Which goes to show his explanations and preferences literally have no rhyme, reason or consistency.
are you high? did you miss the pages of "filler" jokes? Not sure how you skipped over all my serious posts to point out a joke. Maybe you need to pay more attention when you read the forum.
also, since when does weed make TV boring or uninteresting? I don't think you're doing it right.
are you high? did you miss the pages of "filler" jokes? Not sure how you skipped over all my serious posts to point out a joke. Maybe you need to pay more attention when you read the forum.
also, since when does weed make TV boring or uninteresting? I don't think you're doing it right.
This post was filler.
Who does he have to answer to?
The bannermen of the Eyrie. Well, he has a fall guy in the book who isn't even a character on the show, so it'll be interesting to see how he sells it.
He appeared on the show. Joffrey had his tongue ripped out in season 1.
Oh excrement, you're right.
He's still presumably nowhere near the Eyrie though.
I wish I could have a Bi-Sexual champion :(
I wonder how the early deaths of Rorge and Biter will affect some later storylines.
the two idiots that attacked the hound and Arya?
Also, maybe it was mentioned before, but the mountain was recast, right? He's way bigger than I remember, a little larger than the hound. I didn't recognize him at all.
Is it worth sticking with this show?
I just made it 5 minutes into the first show of episode one before I had to do something else- at the point where they find some bodies in the woods. Is it worth sticking with this show?
I just made it 5 minutes into the first show of episode one before I had to do something else- at the point where they find some bodies in the woods. Is it worth sticking with this show?
Even I watch it religiously.
Yeah but were you emasculated on a subway platform in front of hundreds of other people?
This is the third guy playing the Mountain on the show.
Season 1:
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Season 2:
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Season 4:
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Full grown grizzly bears weigh more than 507 pounds. Not impressed.
why the freak would someone put 507 lbs on a bar?
gainz
why the freak would someone put 507 lbs on a bar?
why the freak would someone put 507 lbs on a bar?
Because they want to squat like someone who isn't a hoo-ha.
Disclaimer: my max squat makes me a hoo-ha.
for the record... I was questioning why his max is the increment of 507 lbs... they put 1 lb plates on either side of the bar?
230 kg = 507 lbs
Conan Stevens was the perfect Mountain.
230 kg = 507 lbs
This blew my mind. I have seen hot fuzz 20 times and never picked him out.
This blew my mind. I have seen hot fuzz 20 times and never picked him out.
Never seen Hot Fuzz.
of course not
Or Shaun of the Dead
Now you are just trolling.
Sadly, I believe him here.
He's seen Krull 12 times though.
Now you are just trolling.
He's seen Krull 12 times though.
HBOGo is gonna make me choke a bitch. After being nearly flawless all season it turns into crap once the season climax begins.
another one of those scenes where reading it is one thing, but seeing it is another. it was slightly different if i recall, but still basically the same outcome
I seriously can't believe it ended that way.
it was awesome. freaking A though.
also, the scene with the story about the beetles right before the fight blew my mind. not sure why.
The only thing I didn't like about the scene was Oberyn sounded like Ren. I was looking for Stimpy to appear as his Squire.
Too bad that was Oberyn's arc, he would have been a very good addition going forward. Having him at the council of the hand would have been quite funny.
When I was reading the books I was convinced Oberyn would win and he and Tyrion would ride off into the sunset to go do awesome Dornish stuff.
It's funny he keeps a few meh characters around forever, like Ramsey Snow and he kills off some interesting one too quickly, like Oberyn. I guess that's part of the attraction to GRRM's writing style.
THAT'S RAMSAY BOLTON NOW!
It's funny he keeps a few meh characters around forever, like Ramsey Snow and he kills off some interesting one too quickly, like Oberyn. I guess that's part of the attraction to GRRM's writing style.
the Theon/Reek storyline is getting a shade boring.
It's funny he keeps a few meh characters around forever, like Ramsey Snow and he kills off some interesting one too quickly, like Oberyn. I guess that's part of the attraction to GRRM's writing style.
Yeah I am not into that storyline at all, even in the books. I guess it's all in line with me not being a fan of torture porn. I still want to find Eli Roth and beat him with a baseball bat for Hostel.
*mild mild spoilers*
Did you finally get into ADWD? Because there's no real Theon/Reek action in ASOS/AFFC.
I fininshed it yesterday, it was way better than #4. I didn't like the grauitous cliff hangers though, that was a little bit annoying.
At least TWOW should start off with a bang.
Nothing stings like adding salt on a womb.
Why would you want to watch a show w dialogue in a bar.
I don't know, but I'd be willing to try it once. I'm always confused when a bar TV is playing a show (usually some shitty procedural) with no sound and no subtitles and nobody seems to be watching it. At least this is a regular, dedicated event.
If most people are there to watch the show, it can't be that different from the movie theater experience.
Except it's probably not blasting and silence isn't required.
If it wasn't a viable viewing experience then I doubt people would show up for it.
Most of them probably don't have HBO or maybe any cable at all either.
You'd be surprised. I have a friend who went to the finale of Breaking Bad in a bar in Manhattan, couldn't hear half of it, but said she "got the gist of it, and it was better watching it with people than knowing every word anyway".
wat
Why would you want to watch a show w dialogue in a bar.
Favorite moments:
-The sounding of the horn at Castle Black, for the wildlings attacking from the south. That was when excrement officially started going down.
-Unleashing Ghost.
-The scythe.
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http://uproxx.com/up/2014/06/all-the-badass-gifs-from-tonights-game-of-thrones/
Other stuff:
Apparently this was the most expensive episode of the series so far. Neil Marshall did a great job directing it.
Sucks that they killed off Pyp (arrow through neck) and Grenn (giant).
I saw the kid killing Ygritte coming from a mile away, pretty much from the moment he said he was a good archer a few episodes back. Corny as freak, but whatever. It was still sad.
Why the freak did they kill off both Pyp and Grenn?
The Scythe and having Dolorous Ed commanding the wall were awesome.
Snow's sword fights are always badass.
Is the lead Thenn still supposed to be the Magnar in the show? My favorite death so far if you don't count Slynt's dignity.
Styr died in the books also. There was just a new magnar after that. No different yet
http://winteriscoming.net/2014/04/26/hbo-releases-season-4-finale-episode-title-extended-runtime/
Season finale will be 66 minutes.
Hahah Sepinwall didn't like the episode that much said it was a copy of "Blackwater" and it wasn't as important a battle. He's in love with Tyrion that's why. This episode was better than Blackwater imo. Also, it's more important to the series/story as a whole. Wow, I have never seen that guy get a review so wrong.
I guess he doesn't like Jon Snow, Kit Harrington, very much. Actually, I think he does a pretty good representation of how he is in the books. It's the character, he grew up a bastard without an identity and GRRM does a good job of conveying that throughout the 5 books. Just my opinion because I happen to think the Tyrion and Snow story lines are the two best in the books. I cringed reading some of the Cersei and Daenerys chapters and almost all of book 4, I was tempted to skip some of them.
I just read that review after seeing your post. Holy excrement is that guy an idiot. Nobody is allowed to discuss the books? We are supposed to pretend they simply don't exist? The show doesn't have to stand on its own without any responsibility to the books. If he bothered to care what readers had to say, he could be told spoiler free that the Wall is about to take on quite a bit of added significance, rendering meaningless his argument that the last episode was useless.
I just read that review after seeing your post. Holy excrement is that guy an idiot. Nobody is allowed to discuss the books? We are supposed to pretend they simply don't exist? The show doesn't have to stand on its own without any responsibility to the books. If he bothered to care what readers had to say, he could be told spoiler free that the Wall is about to take on quite a bit of added significance, rendering meaningless his argument that the last episode was useless.
Get hype!
GFY
GFY
Saw someone point out that they've killed off one king (whether official or just self-proclaimed) every season.
1. Robert
2. Renly
3. Robb
4. Joffrey
Kill yourself for using such tiny font
where the freak did Stannis come from
where the freak did Stannis come from
where the freak did Stannis come from
I give it a 6.5/10. Not a bad episode per se, but not exactly exhilarating. Felt more like a set up episode.
The scene with Jon and Manse was cool, other than that all fairly forgettable.
Bran turning Hordor into a skeleton stomping machine. Hound and Brienne. Stannis showing up and ending up at Castle Black. Tyrion killing the whore and Tywin.
Not sure how any of that was forgettable.
Bran turning Hordor into a skeleton stomping machine.
Hound and Brienne.
Stannis showing up and ending up at Castle Black.
Tyrion killing the whore and Tywin before escaping thanks to Jamie.
Not sure how any of that was forgettable.
Dragonstone --> Braavos (Iron Bank) --> East end of the Wall, then went West until he reached Mance's camp.
I heard they basically gave it away on the "previously on" bit before the episode.
Which made little sense, given the last time we saw him he was without a pot to pee in, then all of a sudden he appears north of the wall with an army big enough, loyal enough and organised enough to immediately have Manse Raider tell his supposedly 100,000 strong army of wildlings to drop their weapons.
Tyrion's escape seemed inevitable, killing the whore was incidental justice and killing Tywin didn't really surprise me. Maybe I'm becoming a little used to major characters being killed off.
they gave away Arya leaving for Bravos. I must have missed that part, I was grabbing a beer.
So there is an east end of the wall he was able to go around without climbing?
Meh. A fight.
Meh. Two relatively incidental characters (so far) have a fight.
Which made little sense, given the last time we saw him he was without a pot to pee in, then all of a sudden he appears north of the wall with an army big enough, loyal enough and organised enough to immediately have Manse Raider tell his supposedly 100,000 strong army of wildlings to drop their weapons.
Tyrion's escape seemed inevitable, killing the whore was incidental justice and killing Tywin didn't really surprise me. Maybe I'm becoming a little used to major characters being killed off.
Forgettable might not be the right word. Unremarkable might be better.
Sounds like you're complaining just for something to do. I thought the episode was entertaining, despite not having read the books.
What were your expectations?
The episode was fine. With all the hype, I was expecting something momentous. It wasn't. I'm not complaining, I just don't agree with Fen's review.
The episode was fine. With all the hype, I was expecting something momentous. It wasn't. I'm not complaining, I just don't agree with Fen's review.
I did really like the scene with the Hound begging Arya to mercy kill him.
That was the one thing that really worked for me. I don't even think the Tyrion, Tywin thing was as compelling as it could have been.
That was the one thing that really worked for me. I don't even think the Tyrion, Tywin thing was as compelling as it could have been.
Yeah, they cut out the Tysha thing completely from his interactions with Jaime and Tywin. I get it, she hasn't been mentioned at all since S3 and not by name since S1, but it was a major driving factor in pushing Tyrion over the edge.
Not even close. Tyrion and Tywin deserved to feel bigger. The acting on Tywin's part was dreadful. I get they were going for arrogance, but he had nothing to work with. The whole thing was weak. It would have worked better if Jamie's conversation w Tyrion had been written in.Great I am glad I wasn't the only one, I didn't like the scene all that much there was hardly any gravitas/substance, certainly not like there should have been. Tysha was too important to Tryrion's story to leave out.
I also plotted the yearly performance of the New York Jets and the New York Giants against the words per day Martin was clocking during each season since 1991. The R-squared, which says how much Martin’s writing rate is explained by the teams’ performance, is laughably close to zero for both the Giants and the Jets. But if you’re a fan who needs something to believe in, I’ll tell you this: There’s a slight, if entirely coincidental, positive correlation between the Jets’ regular-season record and the words-per-day estimate:
So if you’re an exceedingly superstitious fan of the “A Song of Ice And Fire” books, it can’t hurt to root for Gang Green this time around.
Huh? He hasn't finished writing the books yet? How far ahead of the TV show are the books?
Thanks, I didn't realise that. I assumed you all knew exactly how this all finishes up, but apparently no-one does.
Thanks, I didn't realise that. I assumed you all knew exactly how this all finishes up, but apparently no-one does.
Hodor takes the Iron Throne.
Stannis Baratheon's swag rating had to go up at least a point or two.
The haterade was flowing after the last episode, but people will always find something to be mad about. It's so much to cover in one season, I am thinking the big thing they left out will be in the next season. I am not sure what the rule is here with spoilers so I am not going to say what it is.
I guess this was a lot more disappointing for readers than me. I loved the episode. My only complaint would be the same as my biggest complaint for the series in general: not enough time to flesh out more.
Adding 5 minutes to the 50 we usually get isn't enough when you have so many different storylines at once. That's on top of the short season to begin with. It's no surprise readers feel stuff was left out.
Obviously I can't speak about any changes, but overall I enjoyed every scene in the finale.
Have you converted to the side of the one true King of Westeros yet?
Who Stannis? That scene was f**king awesome!
My favorite characters are still Jon, Tyrion, Arya, and Daenerys, but Stannis shot up the list with the charge scene.
no Alio love for Melisandre's funbags?
Who Stannis? That scene was f**king awesome!
My favorite characters are still Jon, Tyrion, Arya, and Daenerys, but Stannis shot up the list with the charge scene.
I saw a tweet earlier that the showrunners are not concerned with the show outpacing the books. As someone who didn't/won't read them, this has no affect on me, but I'm curious how you loyal readers would feel if the show wraps before GRRM finishes (assuming he finishes). I would probably be pissed.
I saw a tweet earlier that the showrunners are not concerned with the show outpacing the books. As someone who didn't/won't read them, this has no affect on me, but I'm curious how you loyal readers would feel if the show wraps before GRRM finishes (assuming he finishes). I would probably be pissed.
Honestly, I think this is bad for both. In my opinion whenever the show falls flat it's when they deviate from the books too much.
It sucks, but HBO can't/shouldn't take years off waiting around, and GRRM can't pull finished books out of his derriere, so I've started to accept that I'll probably experience the end of the story through the show. At this point it would take a serious cram session over the next two years for GRRM to finish the series before the show does.
It's a little disappointing, but I was a viewer before I was a reader, and there's no way I'd be able to avoid being spoiled if I stopped watching and waited for the books, so it is what it is.
I thought you had read them a long time ago.
I read all the books in between seasons 2 and 3. Summer of 2012.
But they know where the story ends, so it's not going to change the outcome. My question is more along the lines of: will you feel cheated that you invested so much into reading them when the ending is spoiled by the show?
They nailed Doran.
Asian sand snake? Didn't see it coming, but sure, why not.
Jonathan Pryce as the High Sparrow is perfect.
Whale Rider is a cool casting choice too.
“I could have written a story about a well-adjusted family. Ned Stark comes down to King’s Landing and takes over and solves all their problems. Would that have been as exciting?
The way my books are structured, everyone was together, then they all went their separate ways and the story deltas out like that, and now it’s getting to the point where the story is beginning to delta back in, and the viewpoint characters are occasionally meeting up with each other now and being in the same point at the same time, which gives me a lot more flexibility for killing people.” – George R.R. Martin
“Game of Thrones” author George R. R. Martin has a well-earned reputation for breaking fans’ hearts by indiscriminately killing beloved characters in his “Song of Ice and Fire” novels, and apparently, it’s only going to get worse from here.
At an event Tuesday in London, Martin revealed that as his story grows closer to its ultimate ending and more characters begin to cross paths, the more likely it is that the body count will rise.
According to BuzzFeed, Martin admitted, “I have a large number of important characters who I switch between to tell the entirety of the story, and that limits who I can kill. … Sometimes there’s only one character who’s my eye in a particular location, and if I kill that character, everything going on in that particular subplot is going to be lost.”
But sadly, that’s all about to change. Martin continued, “The way my books are structured, everyone was together, then they all went their separate ways and the story deltas out like that. And now it’s getting to the point where the story is beginning to delta back in. The viewpoint characters are meeting up with each other and being in the same point at the same time … which gives me a lot more flexibility for killing people.”
So while fans of the books and HBO adaptation might be eager to see more of their favorite characters interacting as the story progresses through “The Winds of Winter” and the planned final installment in the “Song of Ice and Fire” series, “A Dream of Spring,” you probably shouldn’t be too optimistic about any reunions — because some of the characters might end up as a feast for crows before the end.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/3/6103405/game-of-thrones-season-five-no-hodor-no-bran (http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/3/6103405/game-of-thrones-season-five-no-hodor-no-bran)
Read about this yesterday. Makes sense, to avoid that storyline from overtaking the books.
Apparently there will be much naked Cersei in the next season.
Probably just one scene.
Is Bran getting significantly older in the books? To not have him on screen for a whole year is going to be interesting to watch when he returns with a full neckbeard. The kid's voice dropped two octaves before last season.
Well enjoy this show while it lasts, if salaries get much higher it's going to need even higher ratings:
https://tv.yahoo.com/news/game-thrones-stars-score-big-162729727.html (https://tv.yahoo.com/news/game-thrones-stars-score-big-162729727.html)
This show is going to have huge downstream revenue compared to most others though. Nerds love to buy special edition DVD box sets and excrement.
So now that we have standalone HBO service in time for the new season, how many people pay for it and how many come up with a new excuse to download it for free. "I'd pay for it if I didn't have to get cable!" was the mantra for just about everybody.
So now that we have standalone HBO service in time for the new season, how many people pay for it and how many come up with a new excuse to download it for free. "I'd pay for it if I didn't have to get cable!" was the mantra for just about everybody.
So now that we have standalone HBO service in time for the new season, how many people pay for it and how many come up with a new excuse to download it for free. "I'd pay for it if I didn't have to get cable!" was the mantra for just about everybody.
Isn't it only available for Apple customers?
It doesn't matter to me because I have cable anyway, but I was a bit disappointed to see it was an Apple exclusive.
You can get all the HBO's shows through stealing Amazon Prime.
Isn't it only available for Apple customers?
It doesn't matter to me because I have cable anyway, but I was a bit disappointed to see it was an Apple exclusive.
I actually have Prime. My wife and oldest son have assured that besides cable we also have Prime, Netflix, and Hulu Plus. Even more options to surf through to find nothing on.
What's it to you what I freaking steal?
There's literally nothing you can't watch. You need some suggestions.
It has a very real financial effect on a lot of people I know.
It has a very real financial effect on a lot of people I know.
HBONow.com will also allow streaming. It's just now going to be offered right away on other handheld or streaming devices.Is this available?
Is this available?
I've been waiting to subscribe to the paid hbo go crap but haven't seen any real info on it
Opens in 3 weeks20/month?
20/month?
It has a very real financial effect on a lot of people I know.
Do they live in the same neighborhood as the guy who can drop 30k upgrading his home theater?
Nope. That guy's not in the film business. Yes, there are people who do very well for themselves in film. That's the same as any industry that has to deal with layoffs. There are also a ton of people who used to make a living and now have a tough time doing so.
Th got laid off so those doing well for themselves could continue to do so.
HBO is marathoning season one today.
Isn't it only available for Apple customers?
It doesn't matter to me because I have cable anyway, but I was a bit disappointed to see it was an Apple exclusive.
Fear not
http://deadline.com/2015/03/hbo-now-cablevision-offer-optimum-online-1201393491/
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150316006263/en/Cablevision-HBO-Announce-Agreement-Provide-HBO-Optimum#.VQ76DfnF9WM
Apparently the exclusive deal is now Apple AND cablevision
"Recently, “Game of Thrones” creators David Benioff and Daniel Brett Weiss sat down at the Oxford Union with actors Kit Harrington and John Bradley to talk about the upcoming season.
During the Q&A portion of the event, David Benioff confirmed that “Game of Thrones” will eventually spoil the ending for “A Dream of Spring,” George R.R. Martin’s final novel in the “Song of Ice and Fire” series.
The question about the show overtaking the novels came around 34 minutes into the interview. A participant asked how the show planned to handle the fact they are quickly running out of known source material for several prominent characters. Benioff explained:
We’ve been talking to [George R.R. Martin] for a while about this because we didn’t want to catch up. But at the same time, George has his process. And if takes him 20 years to finish the series, that’s what it should take. To my mind, he’s writing the great fantasy epic of our time. So we can’t rush him and I wouldn’t want to rush him.
But we can’t put the show on hiatus. […] So we have to keep pushing forward. Luckily, we’ve been talking with George about this for a long time, ever since we saw this could happen. We know where things are heading. We’ll eventually meet up pretty much the same place where George is going [in “A Dream of Spring”]. There might be a few deviations along the route but we’re headed to the same destination.
I kind of wish there were some things we didn’t have to spoil in terms of the books, but we’re stuck between a rock and a hard place. The show must go on."
The first four episodes of this season leaked. The fifth and sixth episodes are expected to leak soon too.
Still, I'm sure masses of people are going to sit around and watch them on their tiny computer screen and then bitch about how long they have to wait for the 7th episode.
GoT tomorrow nightStannis is a bitch
#TeamStannis
Stannis is a bitchThe Lord of Light doesnt like your tone, sir.
Decided to catch the second half of season 4 on HBO2 today. Good times.I watched seasons 1-4 over the last 2 weeks. I miss Roz.
The Lord of Light doesnt like your tone, sir.
I wouldn't mind having the red head make my breakfast and do my laundry.
Is he gonna ask the redhead or Jon Snow what to do about it?
http://walterfootball.com/nflgameofthrones.phpI Lol'd at the bran stark/clowney comparison
This is awesome
I Lol'd at the bran stark/clowney comparison
Michael Sam is the bestHodor might have to pull Clowney in the back of a cart when rushing the passer this year.
MB is gonna love all the man derriere featured in this episode.
Welp. Hate this change.
I was high and freaking out last night. Retarded changeI thought u died.
Welp. Hate this change.
What change?
In the book, Tyrion is drunk on ale, not wine, when he is abducted by Jorah.
In the book, Tyrion is drunk on ale, not wine, when he is abducted by Jorah.
I wonder which 'queen' Jorah was referring to.
I wouldn't mind knowing which plot point you guys are referring to, unless it would be a major spoiler.
They could still be relevant in the books. Benioff and Weiss both said that the show is going to solit off from the books but end as close to them as possible. Sansa could still end up in the North at some point later in Winds of Winter or Promise of Spring.
Yes, but now we know everything she's about to do in the books doesn't matter. It doesn't take a genius to figure things won't go as planned with Hardyng, but still.
Guys I totes felt the same way watching the Harry Potter movies after reading the books
I don't think that Barriston is dead though, Grey Worm killed the last Harpy before he could cut Barriston's throat. I suspect and hope that both will live, and that dragon fire is about to rain down.
I don't think that Barriston is dead though, Grey Worm killed the last Harpy before he could cut Barriston's throat. I suspect and hope that both will live, and that dragon fire is about to rain down.He's dead.
I agree, GOT tends not to leave it ambiguous when someone dies.
I agree, GOT tends not to leave it ambiguous when someone dies.
I don't think that Barriston is dead though, Grey Worm killed the last Harpy before he could cut Barriston's throat. I suspect and hope that both will live, and that dragon fire is about to rain down.
I watched the preview for next week and it looked like they had his body on a table in front of Danerys.
I watched the preview for next week and it looked like they had his body on a table in front of Danerys.
F U
I saw the same preview, but waited for someone else to post it.
/lying in the weeds
Do you guys mind if I speculate on the story or would you not want that in this thread? It's an interesting speculation I saw the other day.
Speculation I saw:
Jon Snow's mom was Lyanna Stark, hence the meeting Malisandre in the show last night.
great funbags
Speculation I saw:
Jon Snow's mom was Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen, hence the meeting Malisandre in the show last night. It's not new speculation but the first I saw of it.
That theory has been going on for ages and ages. The line "That wasn't Ned Stark's way" was a rather clear allusion to it.
I am sure it has, quite honestly I stumbled across it last night only because I felt those 2 conversations (Stannis/Malisandre) meant more than usual. It was odd and the show made sure to hit you over the head with a hammer with regard to there's something more to the "Bastard of Ned Stark" narrative.
Not to mention the look Petyr gave Sansa when she said Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna.
Her body double looks more like a porn star than the real thing. I find the real thing way more attractive.
Quite honestly I missed that.
It was sort of a smug, amused look of "Is that what you think?"
R+L= J was confirmed for me in this ep, from Stannis wife (forget name) randomly talking about Jon's lineage & and stannis responding with a cryptic "that wasn't Neds way". That in itself would be meh as evidence but the scene in the Crypt immediately following it, with Sansa talking about Lyanna being raped and kidnapped by Rheagar, and Baelish giving her a not at all subtle knowing smirk. Ah yeah also Lady M & Jon's scene where They make if blatantly obvious Lady M thinks there is something very special about Jon, gee I wonder.
It's weird they're going to pit the books vs. the show. The bickering about which story line is better in a specific medium will probably be substantial.
For those that read the books, have they skipped over the lady stoneheart storyline?
I think they have.
Damn I wanted to see that, already missed out on Cold Hands.
It has been a whirlwind week for fans of “Game of Thrones.” Anticipation for the upcoming fifth season of the HBO series – which premieres on April 12 – has reached a fever pitch following the release of the first full-length trailer and the Internet has been awash with theories about the new episodes. One theory that emerged this week – only to be disproved – was the appearance of one Lady Stoneheart. However, another popular “Game of Thrones” theory (cough, “R+L = J,” cough) may have just been confirmed.
First, let’s talk about Lady Stoneheart. Readers of George R.R. Martin’s “Song of Ice and Fire” book series were disappointed when the character – the vengeful, gruesomely reincarnated Catelyn Stark – did not appear in Season 4 after playing an important role in the books. However, hopes were reignited that her debut was coming in Season 5 when IMDb listed the actress who played Catelyn Stark, Michelle Fairley, in the credits of an upcoming episode as “Hooded Woman.” Fans immediately erupted – originally on Reddit – into a frenzy over what seemed like confirmation of Fairley’s return to the series. Unfortunately the rumor was quickly shot down.
"There hasn't been any discussion about [Fairley] returning to the show after Season 3," a representative for the actress told the Huffington Post. "As of now, this is completely incorrect."
So, either the IMDb listing is erroneous or “Game of Thrones” is going to great lengths to preserve a big surprise for its fans. Fans will have to wait to know for sure.
To recap: in the books, Catelyn Stark's corpse is pulled from the river after the Red Wedding and resurrected as "Lady Stoneheart" — a pale, silent, deathless woman who wanders the countryside, seeking revenge on anyone she believes betrayed her family.
It's a major, major twist that has serious (and ongoing) ramifications in the books — but it's a story those who stick to the TV show will never get to see. In a new interview with Entertainment Weekly, Michelle Fairley, who played Catelyn on the HBO series, confirmed that there are no plans for Lady Stoneheart to appear in Game of Thrones.
"Yeah, the character's dead. She's dead," said Fairley. "You respect the writers' decision. I knew the arc, and that was it. They can't stick to the books 100 percent. It's impossible — they only have 10 hours per season. They have got to keep it dramatic and exciting, and extraneous stuff along the way gets lost in order to maintain the quality of brilliant show." Scott Meslow
^Yeah, that's how I felt watching it. Given all of the changes from the book to the show, it wouldn't be unheard of for the show to be taking it in a different direction and embracing the rumor even if GRRM doesn't go that way.
but they know how the books end already. as far as all the main plot points. It's how they arrive there and the sub characters that GRRM is still trying to figure out
It was sort of a smug, amused look of "Is that what you think?"
Yeah, I had just recently read that whole theory and that exchange made it pretty obvious.
Roose Bolton was robbed of one of his best lines last night.Which one?
Which one?
Don't make me rue the day I raped your mother.
I forgot that one. I think they shelved it because woman like the show just as much as men.
Which woman?
I forgot that one. I think they shelved it because women like the show just as much as men.
Yahoo – HBO’s hit series Game of Thrones might contain some real-life lessons about family, but at the end of the day it’s still a fantasy show – for most of us. However, the show apparently is startlingly realistic for at least one artist out there. Namely, rapper Snoop Dogg, who seems to believe that the dragon-infested world of GoT is real … or at least was real. When a reporter for the New York Post asked him about being a fan of the series, Snoop replied: “I watch it for historic reasons, to try to understand what this world was based on before I got here.” Of course, this world — a.k.a., Earth — and the Game of Thrones world of Westeros are a little different. Needless to say, one actually is real and the other is based on a series of fantasy books. Snoop continued to explain how he learns from the hit show, saying: “I like to know how we got from there, to here, and the similarities between then and now.” If you’re wondering “what similarities?” — the Post reporter posed the same question to Snoop. The answer, according to him, is pretty simple: “Kings still rule.”
Hahahahahaha
Even fake Snoop knows GOT is fantasy.
I remember before the season when they said there was going to be a controversial Sansa scene everyone assumed it was going to be Littlefinger and her.
I either missed this interview or forgot about it completely. Oh well, the bite back from it should be entertaining.
Yeah that was pretty awful, I was hoping she had a knife and was going to slash his throat. I really hate the changes to the Sansa story arc, they disgust me to be honest.
I either missed this interview or forgot about it completely. Oh well, the bite back from it should be entertaining.
I don't like the change in general but I like that they committed to it. No half measures.
I don't. It's completely different to have an ancillary character, and a non-noble, raped and abused than it is to have the true Lady of Winterfell suffer that. It's not a good thing that they fully committed to that. If they're going to cut out the needless suffering of Jeyne Poole, don't do so by putting it on someone who has her own storyline and obviously wouldn't be in that position in the books. It would be redundant.
I always felt like Sansa had suffered the most out of the Starks, but it seemed somewhat right that it would be her if anyone. This was just too much.
If Roose Bolton didn't smoke so much weed, maybe Ramsey would've turned out better.
It's nice to be able to just enjoy the rape without having all the book history.
I just googled that rape video to see what the fuss was about. Seemed pretty tame as far as my dates go.
Actually I may be mixing up season 5 rumors with TWOW rumors.
I didn't read the books, and I get why there's outrage about the rape scene, but to me, this is what you signed up for. Daenarys got raped. Sansa got raped. Cersei got raped. Theon got his manhood taken away. And there have been dozens of other gruesome scenes along the way. Every time you're going to show a rape on TV, it's controversial, but I disagree that just because it wasn't in the books, it shouldn't be shown.
Clearly, they're going in a different direction than the books from what I've heard. That doesn't mean the world gets any less horrible. Every time there's been a wedding, something terrible has happened. Ramsay is fucked up, something awful was bound to happen to her.
I have a feeling Theon and Sansa (or at least somebody) will eventually get revenge on Ramsay. As Cato said, he's got a resume of terrible excrement built up, and eventually, it's going to come back around.
It was a brutal scene to watch though.
Well, it's difficult to tell. Sansa in the books is nowhere near Winterfell, and a minor character like Jeyne Poole isn't going to bring down Ramsay. So the fact that they stuck to the Jeyne Poole storyline so closely doesn't give me much hope for Sansa.
As for the "this is what you signed up for", nobody who read the books is upset because a rape occurred. It's that it was a rape that occurred with a completely different character and they've just taken a main character and stuffed her into a minor character's role that she doesn't fill in the books. So no, you don't get why there was outrage. Not from book readers.
I would have to think there's a possibility that the show makers are doing this while fully aware of the reaction book readers would have. (I haven't read them)
http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/05/game-of-thrones-stark-misery/ (http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/05/game-of-thrones-stark-misery/)
I don't. It's completely different to have an ancillary character, and a non-noble, raped and abused than it is to have the true Lady of Winterfell suffer that. It's not a good thing that they fully committed to that. If they're going to cut out the needless suffering of Jeyne Poole, don't do so by putting it on someone who has her own storyline and obviously wouldn't be in that position in the books. It would be redundant.
I always felt like Sansa had suffered the most out of the Starks, but it seemed somewhat right that it would be her if anyone. This was just too much.
I don't. It's completely different to have an ancillary character, and a non-noble, raped and abused than it is to have the true Lady of Winterfell suffer that. It's not a good thing that they fully committed to that. If they're going to cut out the needless suffering of Jeyne Poole, don't do so by putting it on someone who has her own storyline and obviously wouldn't be in that position in the books. It would be redundant.
I always felt like Sansa had suffered the most out of the Starks, but it seemed somewhat right that it would be her if anyone. This was just too much.
Now, if the show keeps using her as the one who only has the worst excrement happen to her then I'll have a problem with it. However, W&B have shown that people eventually get what they deserve in this universe so I'm eager to see how this plays out.
I don't see how they've done anything differently from the books in that regard. The two greatest comeuppances I can think of are Joffrey and Slynt and they were pretty much straight off the page.
At this time in the series I feel as though this is the least relevant point to make for plot points and character development in the series. This isn't Sansa from the books, this isn't the same universe as the books. The character played by Sophie Turner is different from the one written by George R.R. Martin.
Now, if the show keeps using her as the one who only has the worst excrement happen to her then I'll have a problem with it. However, W&B have shown that people eventually get what they deserve in this universe so I'm eager to see how this plays out.
As for using the books to anchor criticism of the variations, we have no idea where Sansa would be or what would be happening to her at this point in the books. Just because she may not be in Winterfell with Ramsay doesn't mean that she's not going through some fucked up somewhere else.
Who is Jeyne Poole?
Anyone masturbate to Sam getting laid?
I actually fast-forwarded through it. I need those high caliber scenes in GoT. You know, like Natalie Dormer freaking a child. ;D
Anyone masturbate to Sam getting laid?
Oh my.
Anyone masturbate to Sam getting laid?
I was hoping maester aemon targaryen was gonna sneak up behind Gilly, and complete the DP.
When Game of Thrones is good...it's really freaking good.
When Game of Thrones is good...it's really freaking good.
It's always good.
I didn't understand why Jon's sword didn't shatter when he was fighting the Walker, was it supposed to be dragon glass?
I didn't understand why Jon's sword didn't shatter when he was fighting the Walker, was it supposed to be dragon glass?
Valyrian Steel
Just out of curiosity, what other swords in the show do we know the be made of Valyrian steel? Brienne of Tarth's sword and Jeoffrey's sword which were forged from Ned Starks sword. not sure what happened to Jeoffreys sword. any others?
Just out of curiosity, what other swords in the show do we know the be made of Valyrian steel? Brienne of Tarth's sword and Jeoffrey's sword which were forged from Ned Starks sword. not sure what happened to Jeoffreys sword. any others?
Heartsbane, the ancestral two-handed greatsword of House Tarly, currently in the possession of Lord Randyll Tarly.
Lady Forlorn, the ancestral sword of House Corbray, currently in the possession of Ser Lyn Corbray.
Longclaw, the ancestral Valyrian steel bastard sword of House Mormont. Currently in the possession of Jon Snow.
Nightfall, the ancestral blade of House Harlaw and currently wielded by Ser Harras Harlaw.
Oathkeeper, one of two Valyrian blades reforged by Tobho Mott from Ice. The blade was made for Ser Jaime Lannister, but he has given it to Brienne of Tarth for use in her quest to locate Sansa Stark. The blade was given its name, Oathkeeper, at that time.
Red Rain, the sword of House Drumm, which was stolen by them in a raid.[7] Given the name and coloring, possibly the ancestral sword of House Reyne.
Blades with unknown fates:
Blackfyre, the sword of Aegon I Targaryen. Carried by all Targaryen kings until Aegon IV, who gave it to his bastard Daemon, who rose in rebellion against the Targaryens, taking the sword's name for his house. Its whereabouts are currently unknown.
Brightroar, the ancestral sword of House Lannister, lost when King Tommen II Lannister of the Rock sailed to Valyria and never returned.
Dark Sister, the sword wielded by Visenya Targaryen. Its last known owner was Bryden "Bloodraven" Rivers.
Lamentation, the ancestral sword of House Royce, lost in the Storming of the Dragonpit.[10]
Orphan-Maker, the ancestral sword of House Roxton. Its last known owner was Ser Jon Roxton.[11]
Truth, a Valyrian steel sword last carried by Moredo Rogare of Lys.[12]
Vigilance, the ancestral sword of House Hightower. Its last known owner was Lord Ormund Hightower.[11]
Is the 'Iron Throne' really made of iron? I'm guessing no, and there is a ton there to work with.
FYI they are casting Randyll Tarly for next season so we might see Heartsbane.
FYI they are casting Randyll Tarly for next season so we might see Heartsbane.I hope he's proud of Sam for getting some wildling hoo-ha
I hope he's proud of Sam for getting some wildling hoo-ha
I was.
My wife was disgusted...but i gave him a supportive fist pump.
Why was she disgusted?
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That episode was amazing. I haven't had any problems with the season so far, but last night took it up a notch. It actually made me consider trying again to read the books.
Question: has it been answered how new white walkers are made? My wife was thinking it was that guy on the dock when he raised his arms, but I thought it was just the side-effect of being killed by one of the white walkers. Didn't Bran's companion last year rise after being killed without any leader-type around?
She doesn't like to watch hogs go at it.
Gilly isn't a hog, for freak sake you would do her.
Why was she disgusted?
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That episode was amazing. I haven't had any problems with the season so far, but last night took it up a notch. It actually made me consider trying again to read the books.
Question: has it been answered how new white walkers are made? My wife was thinking it was that guy on the dock when he raised his arms, but I thought it was just the side-effect of being killed by one of the white walkers. Didn't Bran's companion last year rise after being killed without any leader-type around?
She doesn't like to watch hogs go at it.
Ah, okay. Sam's certainly a big boy. Gilly isn't fat though. She does look like her parents shared a few too many chromosomes though.Google Hannah Miller....she's not bad at all. Possibly a 7 on the JFIF scale
Google Hannah Miller....she's not bad at all. Possibly a 7 on the JFIF scale
Yes remember last season when Craster sacrifices one of his sons. The White Walker took the Baby to the White Walker City and the White Walker King put the baby on a ceremonial table and touched the babies cheek with his finger and the baby turned blue. That was basically the way they're made, it might not have been outright said but it was strongly implied.
Google Hannah Miller....she's not bad at all. Possibly a 7 on the JFIF scale
Hannah Murray*That's it
Yeah, I remember that too, but it kind of conflicts with the Bran scene from last season. Unless the answer is simply "the touch of any white walker is enough" like that greyscale disease.
Also, do the white walkers "grow up"? There were obviously those kids last night, but do they continue to mature into adulthood?
Are any of the questions able to be answered at this point? From what I'm gathering on Twitter today, this was the first time in either book or show where we've actually seen "winter coming."
Google Hannah Miller....she's not bad at all. Possibly a 7 on the JFIF scaleShe looks pretty good to me.
I don't understand how it conflicts with Bran. Can you explain that?
I can't remember his name but the kid who was trying to help Bran with his dreams last season was killed when they were attacked by the white walkers. Then he reanimated with the blue eyes, didn't he? But I don't remember a "leader" being there in that scene to raise him.
I can't remember his name but the kid who was trying to help Bran with his dreams last season was killed when they were attacked by the white walkers. Then he reanimated with the blue eyes, didn't he? But I don't remember a "leader" being there in that scene to raise him.
Underrated part of last night's episode:Tormund Krang Giantsbane
Tormund giantsbane beating the life out of the King of Bones with his own club. he's easily one of my favorite characters in the show. it would actually be pretty interesting to do a power ranking of the best characters in GOT.
He got blown the freak up by one of those fireballs. Nothing left to reanimate.
Important distinction:
White Walkers - those badass guys who look old and tough as freak
wights - the reanimated dead
It seems like anyone who dies North of the wall reanimates as a wight. That's why they burn the dead.
Head honcho WW made a show of it just for Jon.
I actually did google her before making that comment to see if it was just makeup for the show. I'm not saying she's ugly at all, there's just something about her face that makes her look right for the character she's playing. All I can put my finger on is that she's a bit buck-toothed, and her eyes seem too far apart.
Top 5 GoT females i'd throw it into
1. Roz
2. Cersei
3. Danaerys
4. Marjorie
5. Dorne funbags from the last episode
Honorable mention: gilly
TIL Alio is 624. You guys are crazy if you think she's not attractive.
Top 5 GoT females i'd throw it into
1. Roz
2. Cersei
3. Danaerys
4. Marjorie
5. Dorne funbags from the last episode
Honorable mention: gilly
Underrated part of last night's episode:
Tormund giantsbane beating the life out of the King of Bones with his own club. he's easily one of my favorite characters in the show. it would actually be pretty interesting to do a power ranking of the best characters in GOT.
When did I say that? I said she's not ugly. I'm just saying she has something to her face that makes her look inbred. That doesn't make her ugly, just someone you'd pound in a fast-food drive thru.
All of you are wrong.
1. Margaery
2. Missandei
3. Doreah
4. Daenerys
5. Irri
How come Walda Frey isn't on your list?
I'm just saying she has something to her face that makes her look fat as freak. That makes her ugly, just someone you'd see in a fast-food drive thru.
All of you are wrong.
1. Margaery
2. Missandei
3. Doreah
4. Daenerys
5. Irri
I've personally never found inbred retarded women attractive, but...wow.
I totally forgot about Melisandre.
Birgitte Hjort SørensenNice find, Saul.
Look her up. Good enough for a Skyrim Job when you de-wildling her!
Objectifying women is wrong,guys.
Surprised no-one has Ygritte in their top 5.
I'd clasp asses with her.
no surprise there, Todd.
Surprised no-one has Ygritte in their top 5.
Surprised no-one has Ygritte in their top 5.
I remembered her last night. She's definitely in my list. She slots in pretty high too. Someone mentioned Ros yesterday who I forgot about too, who would be in the top-5 as well.
1. Margaery
2. Daenerys
3. Ygritte
4. Melisandre
5. Ros
5.Cersei
5.Shae
Karsi is a good call too, but I don't think she'd slot above those already in that list.
Look at the other women mentioned in this thread. Then look at Ygritte. Your surprise should vanish.
Got a thing for redheads, do we?
Brienne of Tarth
Got a thing for redheads, do we?
Probably going to happen unless they change the scene. Honestly, I thought he was going to poison or attack Sam.
To me that's worse then what they did to Sansa.
I can see that. The Sansa thing pissed me off because it was such a huge change and killed a major character's potential storyline from the book. I've liked most of the changes since then, but that one would suck.
Also the wildfire is going to prove pivotal in the last book.
Yeah, I can see that. I just want to get Jon and Tyrion answers.
Tyrion in what regard?
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
The same regard as Jon. The show is making me wonder even more than the books did about his parentage. It sure seems like he's being set up as having some Targaryen lineage. I mean there was stuff like this in the books:
“You are your mother's trueborn son of Lannister."
"Am I?" the dwarf replied, sardonic. "Do tell my lord father. My mother died birthing me, and he's never been sure."
And a line that I can't find now about Tywin not being able to prove that Tyrion wasn't really his son. They're making it seem like he has much more of a connection to Dany than anyone in his own family. Given that we know Aerys had a thing for Mama Lannister, it's at least possible that on one of her rare trips to Kings Landing, he raped her. Given that Tywin was there, she obviously had to conceive Tyrion in Kings Landing, but that doesn't mean it had to be Tywin. She finds out she's pregnant, tries to rid herself of the baby, botches it, and ends up with Tyrion.
^ How much of the current storyline do you think follows what we will see in the books? I'm still quite surprised we haven't seen anything from Bran yet this season. I think we may get a peek in the final episode of him watching.
As far as I know Bran is not in this season.
That's correct, he's not in this season, they're waiting for the rest of the character's storylines to catch up to his.
So Bran of all people is the one they want to keep pure and not move ahead?
^ How much of the current storyline do you think follows what we will see in the books? I'm still quite surprised we haven't seen anything from Bran yet this season. I think we may get a peek in the final episode of him watching.
There is something huge planned for Jon, but that's duh obvious. Who knows maybe he and Dany hook up somehow.
The weird Bran storyline I wouldn't begin to figure out. At least we are starting to flesh out the end game, even if most of that hasn't been published yet.
So Bran of all people is the one they want to keep pure and not move ahead?
I thought I read the main motivation was that he was already looking way too old for how much time was actually passing.
Is there an expectation that we skip over a large chunk of winter?
http://airows.com/culture/jon-snow-from-game-of-thrones-is-the-worst-dinner-guest-in-this-funny-sketch
Huge JS fan, so this happened...Son of a bitch
http://nypost.com/2015/04/07/seth-meyers-learns-jon-snow-is-a-terrible-dinner-party-guest/
maybe episode 8 was this season's episode 9. Feels like it
maybe episode 8 was this season's episode 9. Feels like it
Daznak's Pit
Man, freak Benioff and Weiss
Man, freak Benioff and Weiss
SPOILER
Allegedly that scene came from GRRM himself, but given that he refuses to do the same thing to Asha Greyjoy in the books, I doubt it goes down like that.
Saw it coming from a mile away.
Fire crotch is such a spoiled bitch.
The goodbye was tough to watch.
The ending was cool. I'm a show watcher only. I was told the end of the episode happened in the books. It was pretty awesome. I was also drunk. It made it even better.
Man, freak Benioff and Weiss
I didn't like how they were hinting at it, but given how things went down in the book, I figured maybe he was going to show his limits...like he does in the books. Instead? freak that. Allegedly something similar is going to happen in the books, but it would be really sloppy writing if it's the same.
Misleading. He has no say in what happens on the show, and I don't see how book Stannis could do the same thing (logistically or character wise).
Man, freak Benioff and Weiss
I noticed Sir Jorah touched Dany's hand. Does that mean she'll get the greyscale?
Anyone still on team Stannis can DIAFF. That was brutal. Everything before and after that scene was terrific though.
I really suck with names on this show, but whoever the hand (of Stannis) is asked to bring the girl with him. I pretty much knew she was toast when Stannis said no.
Anyone still on team Stannis can DIAFF. That was brutal. Everything before and after that scene was terrific though.
I really suck with names on this show, but whoever the hand (of Stannis) is asked to bring the girl with him. I pretty much knew she was toast when Stannis said no.
Let’s talk for a moment about Greek mythology, specifically the Trojan War. There was a king named Agamemnon who wanted to lay siege to Troy, but the forces of nature seemed to be conspiring against him, the wind always blowing in the wrong direction against his ships. A seer revealed that in order for his military campaign to proceed, he had to make a very personal sacrifice to the goddess Artemis: his daughter, Iphigenia.
In some tellings of the story, Artemis mercifully spirits Iphigenia away at the last minute, sacrificing a deer instead—the sigil of House Baratheon, and the gift from Davos. In most versions, however, Iphigenia dies on the altar, which ultimately leads to her mother murdering both Agamemnon as well as his concubine Cassandra, who happens to have the gift of prophecy. Just some food for thought.
Davos
Next week is called Mother's Mercy which could mean literally a million things: Cersei, Dany, Stannis storyline etc. etc.
Could mean all of those, but at the very least it has to mean the Cersei storyline in a literal sense.
Oh, and all that stuff about Hizdahr ruling is over. Anyone think it'll be Tyrion until Dany returns?
Has he been there long enough to garner any trust?
Next week is called Mother's Mercy which could mean literally a million things: Cersei, Dany, Stannis storyline, Sand Snakes, etc. etc.
Next week we learn the fate of those locked up with the Sparrows.
Maybe Meryn Trant dies?
He's toast.
Yeah, they have kind of glossed over that situation the last 2 weeks, she had a little scree time last week but not much. I thought it had to do with Dany as well, the Sand Snakes (Oberyn's paramour), and Stannis are more of a stretch but we have seen them hit multiple storylines to conclude seasons.
"
"in the appendix to 'A Feast for Crows', Lady Stoneheart has 'Mother Mercy' listed among her aliases"
Not gonna happen but still
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"in the appendix to 'A Feast for Crows', Lady Stoneheart has 'Mother Mercy' listed among her aliases"
Not gonna happen but still
The only one for sure is that Cersei will confess and we'll see what the Mother's Mercy has in store for her. I sure hope it's like the books.
Has he been there long enough to garner any trust?
I think it will be a council of the 4 left standing when Dany went all dragon rider.
Do dire wolves ever get big enough to ride? Could be an interesting 1st meeting between Dany and Jon.
My missing dragon/Bran theory got shot to excrement. As I was watching I knew that was the only way out, so no biggie.
Doubtful, but the guy managed to quickly sway Daenerys. At the very least, I don't think Daario or Jorah is confident enough in his own ability to take command. Tyrion will probably call the shots in his own way.
Four? I can't see Missandei serving on any council. If I had to guess, we'll get a much quicker return of Daenerys than the books would lead you to think. Hizdahr isn't around to rule like he did in the books, and they weren't even married yet.
I can buy that, he's good at manipulating things, besides he is the only person in her inner circle that can play the "Game of Thrones". It's really excrement that they killed Selmy. He would have been kick derriere in conjunction with Tyrion, that death was very unnecessary.
#TeamStannis
#DIAFF
I keep seeing outrage over the sacrifice scene. I don't get it. I didn't read the books, but I don't really understand the problem. Were people still thinking Stannis was a "good guy"? He fooled me for a moment when he saved Jon Snow's derriere against the wildlings, but otherwise, he's been a big dick most of the time. And Melisandre has proven she'll always eventually get her way.
I was certainly disturbed during the scene, and I felt bad for Sansa during that scene, but the entire story is disturbing. How is any of this worse than the Red Wedding? GRRM is sadistic.
Anyway...dragons!
I hate that Stannis' kid was sacrificed, but you can tell Stannis wants to kick Bolton's derriere pretty bad. Tough to root against that.
I keep seeing outrage over the sacrifice scene. I don't get it. I didn't read the books, but I don't really understand the problem. Were people still thinking Stannis was a "good guy"? He fooled me for a moment when he saved Jon Snow's derriere against the wildlings, but otherwise, he's been a big dick most of the time. And Melisandre has proven she'll always eventually get her way.
I have not seen a single episode of Game of Thrones.
I have not seen a single episode of Game of Thrones.
People are annoyed because show Stannis has been nothing but a character assassination of book Stannis. Last night that went past the point of no return.
what's the difference? I'm just a show watcher along for the ride
Imagine a TV adaptation of the 2002 Jets that made Vinny look like a huge poopchute to make sure the viewers pulled for Chad.
People are annoyed because show Stannis has been nothing but a character assassination of book Stannis. Last night that went past the point of no return.
I guess I can understand that (from the standpoint that I never made it far enough to read any of Stannis in the books). The thing is, everything on the show is being done with Martin's endgame in mind, so this is who Stannis will eventually become even if he's not there yet in print.
As I said though, with the brief lapse due to saving Snow's derriere last year, I've always thought Stannis was an poopchute.
For me it was more than character assassination, I was just not in the mood to see that girl burn or hear her scream from burning. That was just too much, I freaking hated it. The Sansa excrement, I just hated because of the divergence from the book and it didn't fit with her character, the rape scene didn't show much, although it still made my skin crawl. Shereen scene didn't show anything and it didn't need to, I knew it was going to happen, you would have to be dumb not to, but still it just felt over the top gratuitous. freak Stannis
As I said though, with the brief lapse due to saving Snow's derriere last year, I've always thought Stannis was an poopchute.
For me it was more than character assassination, I was just not in the mood to see that girl burn or hear her scream from burning. That was just too much, I freaking hated it. The Sansa excrement, I just hated because of the divergence from the book and it didn't fit with her character, the rape scene didn't show much, although it still made my skin crawl. Shereen scene didn't show anything and it didn't need to, I knew it was going to happen, you would have to be dumb not to, but still it just felt over the top gratuitous. freak Stannis
Stannis isn't very likable in the books until that point, but he builds on that and continues to be awesome from that point on. Instead the show decided to make him a piece of excrement less than a full season later. They even downplayed him saving the Watch and had him stroll in expecting everyone to suck his dick.
Regardless of the end game, they've shown a profound misunderstanding of the character.
I don't have it on hand but there are several instances of D&D's interpretations completely flying in the face of things that come directly out of a character's mouth or mind in the books.
GRRM has no say in what happens on screen. The fact that they're working to the same end doesn't excuse them from doing asinine things on the way there.
“How many children did Scarlett O’Hara have? Three, in the novel. One, in the movie. None, in real life. She was a fictional character, she never existed. The show is the show, the books are the books – two different tellings of the same story,” he continued.
“Small changes lead to larger chances lead to huge changes. HBO is more than forty hours into the impossible and demanding task of adapting my lengthy (extremely) and complex (exceedingly) novels, with their layers of plots and subplots, their twists and contradictions and unreliable narrators, viewpoint shifts and ambiguities and a cast of characters in the hundreds.”
-GRRM
Stannis isn't very likable in the books until that point, but he builds on that and continues to be awesome from that point on. Instead the show decided to make him a piece of excrement less than a full season later. They even downplayed him saving the Watch and had him stroll in expecting everyone to suck his dick.
Regardless of the end game, they've shown a profound misunderstanding of the character.
1000%
I hope you are right. I fear you are not.
My favorite part of this past episode is how much butthurt I get to read on the internet because of it. I'm going to let D&D finish this story line before I judge it. Granted this is a huge departure from the book version of Stannis where he refuses to burn someone else with a matching bloodline.
Anyway, SPOILERS(Book and Show):
It looks like they're setting up Jon Snow's March 15 visit to the Senate, mostly with Ollie's constant "Why would they do this?" and "They killed and ate my parents," conversations with anyone with an ear. So all signs are pointing to Ollie leading the charge. The common assumption at the end of Dance with Dragons is that Jon is going to be revived since Melissandre is still in residence in Castle Black however in the show she's a couple weeks ride away from there so if Snow goes down there then he's pretty much finished.
So, alternative: Ollie decides Jon and Sam's explanations make sense, that the White Walkers are worse than the Wildlings, and that Jon is doing the right thing. So Ollie either 1. gets word of the planned attack and warns Jon, allowing him to escape or 2. somehow dives in between Jon and one of the knives(because this season just loves having bad things happen to little kids), saving his derriere again and allowing him to escape. Probably not likely at all but why not try looking at an alternative?
How many spoilers tage do we need anymore? I read (do not remember where) that after the season finale they are all caught up with the currently published books...
Is this going to be a extremely long wait for the next episodes?
How many spoilers tage do we need anymore? I read (do not remember where) that after the season finale they are all caught up with the currently published books...
Is this going to be a extremely long wait for the next episodes?
Random, but I think Littlefinger has to make a power play here, or very soon. he has been plotting forever and doesn't have much to show for it.
My buddy who watches the show said that Jon snow will die and become leader of the white walkers. Is that a dumb theory? I don't know anything about the show.Find new friends.
My buddy who watches the show said that Jon snow will die and become leader of the white walkers. Is that a dumb theory? I don't know anything about the show.
His response: "freak that nigga he doesn't know what he's talking about."
Also:
"Jon snow will die and be risen again and he will destroy the wall and bring out the ice dragon ... Mark my words "
"He will lead the battle to Danny and her dragons "
"Tell that fool to eat a rooster"
Quick show of hands, who thought it actually ended well for Stannis in the books?
Ended well or didn't end completely hamfistedly?I'm happy for Brienne.
Well I hope Ollie enjoys life as Ghost's new chew toy. Never trust knife wounds when a red priest is near.
Who were Stannis' allies inside Winterfell? I hope you were not counting on Manse and the spearwives.
All of the Manderly men, and other lesser groups possibly. On the show we got one flayed old lady.
On a completely tertiary note, does anyone wonder if Lena Heady recommended Emilia Clarke for the Sarah Connor role?
No idea, but Headey's rack was more spectacular than I thought it would be.
No idea, but Headey's rack was more spectacular than I thought it would be.
Wonder if she just got paid her normal salary for filming that scene
All-around, that was a top notch finale. Probably the best finale of the series.yeah but Stannis
All of the Manderly men, and other lesser groups possibly. On the show we got one flayed old lady.
All-around, that was a top notch finale. Probably the best finale of the series.
The best episode was Hardhome by far
Tit walk of shame FTW
The best episode was Hardhome by far, this was just ok. That Stannis storyline was limper than limp.
No idea, but Headey's rack was more spectacular than I thought it would be.
Even though they spent a ton of time on the walk of shame scene, they did a really good job with it.
Doubtful, but the guy managed to quickly sway Daenerys. At the very least, I don't think Daario or Jorah is confident enough in his own ability to take command. Tyrion will probably call the shots in his own way.
Meh I think they're full of excrement. He isn't dead.
Also, sorry to disappoint you guys but they used a body double for Cersei. She was preggo during the filming of that season.
They used CGI on a body double.
x2
Yeah, the show circumstances are just really dumb.
"Hey guys I brought 5000 wildlings with me, open the gate."
"k"
Next day
"lolwut Traitor? you can't be srs."
"For the watch!"
"Ugh, fine I'll just stand here and get stabbed"
Seriously though it's so ****ing dumb. Exactly what is stopping Tormund and crew from slaying the 50 crows that are left at Castle Black?
Why was Arya going blind?
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Punishment. And/or a trial in becoming "no one".
Why was Arya going blind?
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who rode up on Khaleesi, the Dothraki?
Are we supposed to believe reek and Sansa just hopped down off that wall from Winterfell and ran away unscathed?
who rode up on Khaleesi, the Dothraki?
Are we supposed to believe reek and Sansa just hopped down off that wall from Winterfell and ran away unscathed?
What is going to happen to Ser Loras "The Clitoris" Tyrell?
No clue. His book storyline is better as he's actually out there doing stuff.
Isn't he pretty much dead in the book?
Allegedly.
whatever happened to the Blackfish?
I don't think Stannis's death was ambiguous, i think he is dead. He has no family, no army, no witch, what's Brienne going to do? Have him replace Jon at the wall? go begging Tormund and have his 5,000 wildings/women/children fight for him?............... He's done, dead.
I am also pretty sure Myrcella is dead as well.
I don't think Stannis's death was ambiguous, i think he is dead. He has no family, no army, no witch, what's Brienne going to do? Have him replace Jon at the wall? go begging Tormund and have his 5,000 wildings/women/children fight for him?............... He's done, dead.
I am also pretty sure Myrcella is dead as well.
For the most part I agree with you, but nobody is dead in this world until a head comes off.
I had high expectations for the siege at Winterfell....i didn't think Stannis would get lit up so quickly, if at all.
Ramsay who isn't even that good of a fighter, let alone commander, beating Stannis is the stupidest thing ever.
They blew their budget wads on Hardhome and other things.
D&D suck
And do I have to change my avatar to a dire wolf now?
I have calmed down since last night. Drinking during NBA finals then watching GOT was not the best combination.
When someone dies on GOT there is no ambiguity. All the 'deaths' last night were far from obvious. Jon, Stannis, Lannister daughter... Not exactly beheaded.
Arya didn't freak around. That guy was dead. Awesome story with her, but a little too Empire Strikes Back (or any 70's kung fu movie). When her face shows up I could only think of Luke's cave scene.
The walk of shame was incredibly over the top awesome.
Solid theory on Stannis and Bronn.
As for the rest... I'm not sure I can continue with the show if Jon is really gone. Too much of my time wasted on a storyline that leads to nothing.
He isn't............
I read the link you posted, but I also read the linked interview with Kit. Doesn't sound promising.
Puck and I were discussing this earlier....we're ok with the Starlord coming in to replace Jon Snow.
Yeah They're offering Chris Pratt a contract, maybe they can bring in Rocket ad Groot as well.
Rocket Raccoon can mate with Tyrion Lannister.
Groot will be controlled by Bran. lol
I hope Arya adopts Groot's face for her next kill.
bad poosay
Mel helps Jon warg into Stannis. The One King in the North that was Promised!!!
Ramsay who isn't even that good of a fighter, let alone commander, beating Stannis is the stupidest thing ever.
They blew their budget wads on Hardhome and other things.
D&D suck
Ramsay who isn't even that good of a fighter, let alone commander, beating Stannis is the stupidest thing ever.
I was also annoyed as excrement that every single time Jon opened his mouth to talk about the White Walkers, it was to Sam. Do you think you might want to get everyone to hear at once what happened from the men who went?
And they let them in just to kill Jon right after. Why bother letting the free folk through to settle the gift?
As a show watcher only, I have no reference as to the quality of the characters in the book and how it differs from the show.
I was shocked at most of what happened throughout the whole episode. I was optimistic about the cliffhangers. I thought that it would set up season 6 for a lot of interesting arcs.
After a day of seeing how pissed the readers are, I'm a little disheartened to know that the source material is that much better at this point.
To be fair, we don't actually know if Jon Snow or Stannis survive in the books. However, we do know that several characters are better in the books.
To be fair, we don't actually know if Jon Snow or Stannis survive in the books. However, we do know that several characters are better in the books.Right. This is what annoys me now that I have the references and perspective from reading this thread as well as the help from my pizza.
Right. This is what annoys me now that I have the references and perspective from reading this thread as well as the help from my pizza.
The source material is right there, and in great detail. It's silly to deviate from the material, and miss making a real impact with their version of ASOIAF.
A Q&A from grantland, he makes a good case why Jon Snow is still alive:
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/ask-the-maester-jon-snow-season-finale/
I'm really curious to see how quickly GRRM gets the next book out the door now. From what I've seen the past couple of days readers fall into two camps: 1) GFY all of you or 2) I'm positive he's not dead (whether talking about Stannis or Jon). It's either bitter anger or haughty trust.
good read...thanks for posting it.
We've seen all of these delays. It wouldn't surprise me at this point if he wants us all to get the truth at the same time.
I'm really curious to see how quickly GRRM gets the next book out the door now. From what I've seen the past couple of days readers fall into two camps: 1) GFY all of you or 2) I'm positive he's not dead (whether talking about Stannis or Jon). It's either bitter anger or haughty trust.
I'm positive Jon is not permanently dead and I'm bitter that Stannis probably is.
I'm positive Jon is not permanently dead and I'm bitter that Stannis probably is.
Some spoilery speculation for non readers.
http://gran.tl/1LemOFh
That Grantland writeup did a pretty good job of convincing me Jon is alive (in some form). I don't know with Stannis.
I can't really see it not being Kit Harington. I dont think many people will care for another face as Jon Snow... People relate a face to the character, not so much the name.
That doesn't mean he will still be the same John Snow. The guy that Arya saw get resurrected said something about losing pieces of himself when he came back.
Are we getting a Tower of Joy flashback?
Are we getting a Tower of Joy flashback?
Is that where the whole R+L=J thing supposedly went down?
Are we getting a Tower of Joy flashback?
Would that require Ned Stark?
Bobby B wasn't there.
I started rereading ASOIAF. Obviously stuff is more clear now. I think they're making clear there was a lot more to Lyanna and Ned' s last moments together. GRRM has mentioned at least 3 times how she made Ned promise and that's in the first 10 percent of the book. Promise what? Hmmmm
Plus he made sure everyone knew without a doubt that the most important thing to Ned was his honor. Cheating on his wife doesn't make any sense for his character. Lying and making himself look bad in order to honor his dying sisters last wish for him to protect her son seems more in line with his character.
Plus he made sure everyone knew without a doubt that the most important thing to Ned was his honor. Cheating on his wife doesn't make any sense for his character. Lying and making himself look bad in order to honor his dying sisters last wish for him to protect her son seems more in line with his character.
Saying you're tempted to skip over certain chapters is pretty indicative of what's wrong with book reading today.
Saying you're tempted to skip over certain chapters is pretty indicative of what's wrong with book reading today.
The era of Tl;dr
Sansa is definitely that if she's not in a rape scene.
I've also heard most of the chapters with Dany in Mereen is the same, minus the rape.
*Jon Snow in heaven*
Jon: So, Dad who's my mom?
Ned: Well...it's---
*Jon Snow gets resurrected*
Jon: ****!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/KG3F10g.jpg?1)
Weekend at Burnies?
Jon Snow is definitely dead.
Do you like trial by combat? Then you'll love this.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345533488/ref=pe_848040_144004050_em_1p_0_im
Is that book any good?
Im looking forward to it. It was a pain in the butt to buy all the short story compilations just to get the GRRM Dunk and Egg stories -- so I'm happy they compiled them.
Soooo, did anyone else see that Game of Thrones will run 8 seasons?
Max von sydow is elite
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ToJ confirmed
ToJ confirmed
This time it concerns Sandor Clegane, AKA The Hound. We last saw Clegane lying on the side of a hill after a duel with Brienne of Tarth, not looking so good. Then Arya Stark refused him the mercy of a quick death and left him there to die.
We never actually saw him die, though. And now the actor that plays him, Rory McCann, has been spotted at a Belfast hotel often used by Game of Thrones cast members during filming, according to fan site Watchers on the Wall.
People we actually see die don't necessarily stay dead. Implied deaths don't count at all in this show.
Game Of Thrones
(Note: the following section below the quotation block contains spoilers for The Winds of Winter. If you want to avoid spoilers from the novel, skip to the Ash vs Evil Dead section below.)
Entertainment Weekly has confirmed that Freddie Stroma (UnREAL) has been cast as Dickon Tarly, Samwell’s younger brother and heir to House Tarly, after Sam’s father Randall forced him to choose between death of joining the Watch. Confirming the Night’s Watchman’s former family will play a role in the next season of the show is also the reveal that the Castell de Santa Florentina in Canet de Mar, Spain, will serve as the show’s version of Horn Hill, the seat of the Tarly family. [Watchers on the Wall]
Finn Jones teases Loras’ arc and a suitably “shocking” finale in season six:
I was a little bit nervous when I got the scripts through but I’ve started filming now and so the nerves aren’t there anymore. So I know what’s happening, a lot of good stuff to do this year. Game of Thrones is always shocking, so it’s never going to stop shocking people... the end of season six in particular is very shocking. It’s so difficult to remember it because my head is so in season six, so I can’t even remember what happened in season five.
There’s a transformation in Loras’ state and character and it’s fun to be able to go a little bit deeper and darker in the character. I’ve really enjoyed being able to go to those places.
[Express]
Now that Game of Thrones is basically caught up with George R. R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire books, it’s time for them to begin moving past them—or specifically, to begin filming sequences from the as-yet-unreleased sixth book, The Winds of Winter. Watchers on the Wall have found casting calls for a series of actors in a theatre troupe, as well as a smattering of theatre-attending audience members.
The details, as well as location filming of what appears to be a stage featuring Baratheon/Lannister regalia (seen below), seems to imply the show is actually filming a passage from The Winds of Winter that was released earlier this year. In the chapter, Arya Stark—in the guise of “Mercy”—joins mummer’s group performing in Braavos, using the cover of a performance to assassinate Raff the Sweetling, a Lannister soldier who is part of her big list of people to kill.
Finally, Watchers on the Wall also have pictures of filming in Girona, featuring a chase sequence where Arya is hunted by the mysterious Waif from the House of Black and White, who’s holding a bloodied knife. Go to the link to see more.
http://news.yahoo.com/george-r-r-martin-says-145813081.html
Veto
http://grrm.livejournal.com/446429.html (http://grrm.livejournal.com/446429.html)
Why the freak would you want to read it then? I don't want to know all the details.
Awesome. That's obviously a good sign.
Can someone shop the 'April HBO' bit out of the pic?
So the words "April HBO" hamper you fapping to that? Just choke yourself when your about to cum, that should help.
Was there a big difference between the character in the books and the show?
I know readers of the books appear to be in love with Stannis, but as a viewer of the show only he came across to me as being a pompous whiner. His death pleased me.
Was there a big difference between the character in the books and the show?
Final(?) comparison
Book Stannis:
A. Leaves his wife and daughter and Melisandre behind at Castle Black
B. Sends Davos on an important mission to White Harbor
C. Has rallied Northern forces to his cause, has allies in Winterfell ready to betray the Boltons once the fighting starts
Show Stannis:
A. Burns his daughter alive because Mel says so, even though burning Mance Rayder did jack excrement for him
B. Sends Davos on an errand so he doesn't stop him from burning his daughter alive
C. Loses half his army, just sort of wanders over to Winterfell because freak it
I don't necessarily trust his knowledge of the show but he seems to confirm Stannis is dead in the show in there.
how does he?
He names too many characters that are not dead/dead in the books compared to the tv show to say that's the case.
We also didn't see Stannis die. They left it weird and open ended
I liked show Stannis. He completely fucks up by becoming obsessed with and following all of the advice from Mel, but I was always hoping he would realize the error of his ways before it was too late.
The scene where he rides into mance rayders camp was awesome. Black water bay battle scene too.
Is that the one with the House of Black and White faces? Or another newer one?
The face one, said it was new and I hadn't seen it before. I can't keep up with all the trailers, apologies if it wasn't a new one.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-5C6kG57J7Q
Melisandre is hot.
Yes. Yes she is.
It's not spoilery at all if you read the books, if not, it's still not bad, it's mostly conjecture.I started a feast for crows last night...expectations are high after the storm of swords
http://watchersonthewall.com/comprehensive-breakdown-of-the-game-of-thrones-season-6-trailer/
I started a feast for crows last night...expectations are high after the storm of swords
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Lol lower them quite a bit, he put a lot of the least interesting characters in that book, all the top characters are in Dance of Dragons. They're parralell books as far as time frame goes, he broke the characters up. So you can have Sam in the first book and Jon Snow in the 2nd and they're stories intersect a bunch of times, though you have to read both to figure that out.freak
freak
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Yep, it's not bad but it is certainly a let down from SoS, as that was one of the best books I have read.I couldnt put SoS down
I couldnt put SoS down
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
FFC isn't the same in that respect, there are certain parts that are a slog.Ill suffer thru it...i made it this far
Ill suffer thru it...i made it this far
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
ASOS was the first climax of the series. AFFC and ADWD are the build-up for the final two books.
I think we can vaguely figure out some of the plot lines just by looking at the title of the episodes.
Episode names for Season 6:
1. Promise Me
2. Bride of the North
3. The King's Justice
4. Brothers in Arms
5. A Golden Shroud
6. Little Birds
7. Harder and Stronger
8. Out of the Flames
9. Winter Snow
10. The Prince That Was Promised
I think we can vaguely figure out some of the plot lines just by looking at the title of the episodes.
Episode names for Season 6:
1. Promise Me
2. Bride of the North
3. The King's Justice
4. Brothers in Arms
5. A Golden Shroud
6. Little Birds
7. Harder and Stronger
8. Out of the Flames
9. Winter Snow
10. The Prince That Was Promised
Reporter: If you were writing some Game of Thrones fan fiction, what story line would you like to see unfold?
Emilia Clarke: I want to see Daenerys and her three dragons share the throne. Eat goat they’ve barbecued. And bring back all the pretty boys, get them to take their trousers down, and be like, “I’m now the queen of everything! I’d like close-ups of all the boys’ penises, please.”
I’d like close-ups of all the boys’ penises, please.
If I had a nickel for every time I heard you say this.
Oh poor Badger and that rooster. I never quit. I burn. Say the word, you would be usurper.
Your posts are always hard to decipher, but once you actually rearrange the mangled English, the real Puck appears.
Your posts are always hard to decipher, but once you actually rearrange the mangled English, the real Puck appears.
*Ramsay
Marjorie
Xaro Xoan Daxos
I think we can vaguely figure out some of the plot lines just by looking at the title of the episodes.
Episode names for Season 6:
1. Promise Me
2. Bride of the North
3. The King's Justice
4. Brothers in Arms
5. A Golden Shroud
6. Little Birds
7. Harder and Stronger
8. Out of the Flames
9. Winter Snow
10. The Prince That Was Promised
Following the shocking developments at the conclusion of season five, including Jon Snow’s bloody fate at the hands of Castle Black mutineers, Daenerys’ near-demise at the fighting pits of Meereen, and Cersei’s public humiliation in the streets of King’s Landing, survivors from all parts of Westeros and Essos regroup to press forward, inexorably, towards their uncertain individual fates. Familiar faces will forge new alliances to bolster their strategic chances at survival, while new characters will emerge to challenge the balance of power in the east, west, north and south.
She revives Jon by motorboating him with her naked titties.
The Red Woman. Wouldn't that be Melisandre? She better either revive Jon or just be naked all episode. I am fine with either.
Only MB would post an article written by someone named Bang ShowbizI just noticed that...haha
Legggoooo#TeamBlackfish
Trying to catch up, almost there though. On Season 1 Episode 3So close
I missed the re-airing of the battle at Hardhome so I'm just gonna wait until 9 for the new episode. Don't need to see any of the Stannis bullshit.
Strongish start, then it got slowwwwww
Once again, wtf Dorne.
"Let's avenge Elia and Oberyn Martell by killing off the last two Martells."
Slap the red woman's necklace on jon snow.
Bam profit.
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
freak OllyX2
Serious question, wtf happened to the dogs that sniffed out Sansa? Lol Did they magically disappear?
Wow this is weird, this guy predicted the red woman:
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2a7go9/spoliers_acok_regarding_melisandres_ruby_necklace/cisasro
Slap the red woman's necklace on jon snow.
Bam profit.
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Serious question, wtf happened to the dogs that sniffed out Sansa? Lol Did they magically disappear?
She's old, not dead.Did she need that necklace to live?
Did she need that necklace to live?
Or is taking the necklace off before bed a nightly thing...like Puck taking out his dentures.
Did she need that necklace to live?
Or is taking the necklace off before bed a nightly thing...like Puck taking out his dentures.
None of us know for sure. But the prevailing thought is that she's secretly old and was using magic to change her appearance.
Whether or not the stone facilitates that directly is up for debate. She was seen without it in a previous episode.
There's a rumor swirling around that she gave up decades of her life for Jon to live.
No one knows jack squat about this season. I only saw 1 place where the spoilers proved correct and that was literally the night before when leaked photo's of old Malisandre and shish kabobbed Trystane were put on the internet. It could be true it may not be, I heard of a totally different way he gets resurrected that seemed equally as plausible, who the freak knows?
freak Olly
I'm not the TV connoisseur some others around here are, but this show is the best one I watch and it's not even close.
I thought to myself "Kahleesi is going to fry some Dothraki" "When Aria learns to fight blind some people are in deep excrement" and "The Lannister sisterbrotherlovers are going to freak some excrement up."
We were watching on a slight delay on DVR and the show cut off during the Lannister scene when Jaime was all "freak everything." When we went to it on HBOGo, we saw the name of the episode was "The Red Woman" and all episode I was thinking "Why?" Then at the very end I said "Oh."
How do you readers feel right now getting stuff you haven't yet read?
How do you readers feel right now getting stuff you haven't yet read?
Hard to explain because about half of that episode is stuff that won't happen in the books.
Jon and Dany's stories seems like the only ones to be on track yet ahead of the books. Everything else is either straying way off the path or is actually still behind.
I'm not the TV connoisseur some others around here are, but this show is the best one I watch and it's not even close.
I thought to myself "Kahleesi is going to fry some Dothraki" "When Aria learns to fight blind some people are in deep excrement" and "The Lannister sisterbrotherlovers are going to freak some excrement up."
We were watching on a slight delay on DVR and the show cut off during the Lannister scene when Jaime was all "freak everything." When we went to it on HBOGo, we saw the name of the episode was "The Red Woman" and all episode I was thinking "Why?" Then at the very end I said "Oh."
How do you readers feel right now getting stuff you haven't yet read?
Hard to explain because about half of that episode is stuff that won't happen in the books.
Jon and Dany's stories seems like the only ones to be on track yet ahead of the books. Everything else is either straying way off the path or is actually still behind.
The production values are second to none. The writing is sometimes inconsistent but the scale is so enormous it's ok. This show can literally be 3 shows in one, it's an enormous undertaking almost too big to tell a coherent story in 10 less than 1 hour episodes. It really is great entertainment.
I think the show really separates itself from other superhero/fantasy stuff is the cast. Other that the Sand Snakes there isn't an actor that's not a perfectly casted, they got that right almost 100%.
Spoiling a storyline doesn't bother me as much as ruining one.
Besides Dorne is there any other story lines you think are ruined?
Stannis, but that's over now.
Didn't love what they did with Sansa and Ramsay but that's salvageable now.
Having not read the books I love the Dorne storyline, because hotness.
They're but it's acted so poorly it's like a syfi channel show.
They're but it's acted so poorly it's like a syfi channel show.Let's be honest, some of the acting in GoT is pretty clunky at times. They're terrific stories and great fun, but it's not exactly highbrow entertainment.
Let's be honest, some of the acting in GoT is pretty clunky at times. They're terrific stories and great fun, but it's not exactly highbrow entertainment.
Sand snakes are hawt.
I still can't believe Areo Hotah got killed by bad poosy.Didn't see dat poosy coming
Let's be honest, some of the acting in GoT is pretty clunky at times. They're terrific stories and great fun, but it's not exactly highbrow entertainment.
Dude this show is so freaking hard to marathon. It's like watching a movie back to back to back to back... granted I'm only at episode 7 in season 1 so it's gaining steam but I have so much to watch it's intimidating
Dude this show is so freaking hard to marathon. It's like watching a movie back to back to back to back... granted I'm only at episode 7 in season 1 so it's gaining steam but I have so much to watch it's intimidating
Dude this show is so freaking hard to marathon. It's like watching a movie back to back to back to back... granted I'm only at episode 7 in season 1 so it's gaining steam but I have so much to watch it's intimidating
They're but it's acted so poorly it's like a syfi channel show.
As soon as I heard there were dragons on he show, I was out.
Yes! I couldn't put my finger on this week's scene, but that is what was wrong with it. It was was too SyFy for GoT. Nice call.
Tommy's all "Yo, freak you D&D nerds and your bullshit fairy tales! I got this coke and a hooker's derriere. I'm out!"
...can't really blame him.
Rewatched the first episode and man is it much better on rewatch. Well except For Dorne, I enjoyed the episode a lot more and I don't know why.
Probably both the lack of suspense (things like "Is Jon Snow going to come back to life at some point this week?") and the fact that you're not anxiously anticipating it anymore. You can just sit back and rewatch it, just paying attention to the little details rather than actively following the story.
Rewatched the first episode and man is it much better on rewatch. Well except For Dorne, I enjoyed the episode a lot more and I don't know why.
We know the crone version of Melisandre turns you on.
Who doesn't she turn on?
Men under the age of 80 with 20/20 vision?
You're crazy. She's hot as hell. Did you see all those funbags?
Dude you really think I give a excrement? I don't like you said it's fantasy. I just think the Dorne storyline stinks that's why I posted it.
Nope don't like that one very much either, next. Besides I watch hot lesbo porn for funbags, again freak off.
This sounds pretty cool, My guess is Jon's return will be prophesied by Bran.:
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/27/game-thrones-bran-season-6 (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/27/game-thrones-bran-season-6)
What did the prophecy say about your micropenis, though?
Yeah so freak Dorne, right? Most disappointing storyline in this show for me.
Why are you guys upset about Dorne? It was always going to come to this, even in the books (one would assume). Or is it the manner in which they're handling it? Are the characters weaker on the show than in the books?
I'm assuming that since you guys keep referring to the story of Dorne that you're not just upset by the budget acting in the Dorne scenes.
I hope the book Dorne characters have better motivation than wanting to start a war because a family member willingly entered into a fight to the death and lost.
That's not why they want to start a war. Dorne has never recovered from Elia Martell getting raped and murdered by the Lannister army after they butchered her small children. That's mentioned in the show as well. It's the whole reason why Oberyn wanted to fight the Mountain to begin with.
That's not why they want to start a war. Dorne has never recovered from Elia Martell getting raped and murdered by the Lannister army after they butchered her small children. That's mentioned in the show as well. It's the whole reason why Oberyn wanted to fight the Mountain to begin with.
Why are you guys upset about Dorne? It was always going to come to this, even in the books (one would assume).
I do remember that but the main angry chick hasn't mentioned anything about that at all. She kept getting mad at the king because he wouldnt avenge oberyn.
She's mentioned Elia multiple times, including in. the last episode. It's a poor storyline, but not for that reason.
You think he dead but he ain't dead!
Book Spoilers:
Anyone else instantly realize that the dragons accepting Tyrion means he's definitely Targ blood as is often speculated. His real father wasn't Tywin then, and that makes perfect sense
yeah, that was freaking cool. Is that Young Robert or Young Ned?
Maybe next episode well find out he didnt actually come back to life, but instead just turned into a white walker
I have to imagine because of how "easy" it was theres gonna be some major inherent flaw or something that we dont know about. Or more likely that what she did was just bs make pretend so that Davos would think she tried and something else is at work here
The general rule of magic in the books is there's no such thing as a free lunch - everything comes at a price. We'll see how true the show stays to that.
yeah, that was freaking cool. Is that Young Robert or Young Ned?
As much as I want to be wrong, I'm pretty sure he's a walker. But... I thought that only happens north of the wall. Great episode to not be a king.
As much as I want to be wrong,
Book Spoilers:
Anyone else instantly realize that the dragons accepting Tyrion means he's definitely Targ blood as is often speculated. His real father wasn't Tywin then, and that makes perfect sense
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As much as I want to be wrong, I'm pretty sure he's a walker. But... I thought that only happens north of the wall. Great episode to not be a king.
The general rule of magic in the books is there's no such thing as a free lunch - everything comes at a price. We'll see how true the show stays to that.
Where the hell is Littlefinger?
I'm with you puck, really good episode. I did think it was kind of funny that after all the speculation in how they will bring Jon back it was just Davos being like soooo do you know any magic tricks? ???
I also think DCM is wrong about it not being Mel. She just had no faith in it working but she definitely tried. They made that clear with her whispering please when she was done. She is going to realize next episode that the great victory she saw at winterfell was lead by Jon.
Good old breathing walkers with no ice eyes.
Yeah, I thought about that a little after I posted.
If it really is a song of Stark and Targ, and Jon is truly alive as he seems to be, I don't seem him dying again anytime soon. Even without Tyrion getting friendly with the dragons, Dany is suddenly very expendable. I always assumed it was a song of Jon and Dany, with Jon leading the assault on the Iron Throne from the north, and Dany from the south. That could still happen, but seems less likely now.
Random thought... With the Sand Snakes having a big (albeit dull) scene in ep1 and The Mountain getting a lot of time in ep2, I wonder if their confrontation will be coming sooner rather than later this season. That should be a great fight.
There are three dragons. There's no reason to think any of the three major candidates for dragon riders are expendable. Especially Dany.
There are three dragons. There's no reason to think any of the three major candidates for dragon riders are expendable. Especially Dany.
To be fair, the show has proven that anyone is expendable. But to your point, if dragon riding ends up being a major element in the end game, those 3 are safe for the time being. The main thing that changes this is if my theory about Bran eventually warging into one of the dragons. Though I think they hinted a bit last night that he might just warg into Hordor again. I'm still trying to figure the Bran story line out.
Do you think Jon is a warg as well? Was Jon's consciousness hiding in Ghost the whole time? I've read some theories regarding this.
To be fair, the show has proven that anyone is expendable. But to your point, if dragon riding ends up being a major element in the end game, those 3 are safe for the time being. The main thing that changes this is if my theory about Bran eventually warging into one of the dragons. Though I think they hinted a bit last night that he might just warg into Hordor again. I'm still trying to figure the Bran story line out.I don't think Jon warged into Ghost but that's just my opinion and from watching the after show stuff it didn't appear to be the case but who knows. Ghost knows Jon the best and showed when he came back to life. I am sure it will be explained if it actually happened that way.
Do you think Jon is a warg as well? Was Jon's consciousness hiding in Ghost the whole time? I've read some theories regarding this.
I know in the books all the Starks can warg but the show has only established that Bran can do it. I think Jon warging into ghost will be part of the books but would be kind of tacked on for the show.
Who was the bloke who threw the grumpy old king off the bridge?
Euron Greyjoy, younger brother of Balon. He's a vicious captain who has come back to try to take the throne of the Iron Islands.
Thanks. Not sure why he's bothering, it looks like a miserable place to live.
They are all sensitive to their direwolves and can occasionally catch glimpses, but only Bran, TEC, and Orell are wargs.
EDIT: Fixed Orell
Is Theon king when he gets home?
I loved the episode. I was sitting there saying "Nah, he's dead, he ain't coming back" and my wife was countering with "Yes he is." I don't mind being wrong.
He's definitely not a WW (they gave you a clear shot at his eyes when he woke) but the previews for next week just showing him slowly sit up and only from the back tell us something is almost certainly "off."
I'm with the "crisis of faith" thinking on Mel. She did the resurrection, but her sagging faith didn't allow for her instant success. I wonder if Davos' semi-faith helped?
Ramsey is one helluva villain. Whenever you think he's gone too far he goes farther.
Is Theon king when he gets home?
I was hoping to see Jaime go for broke and try to kill the entire squad in the church.
Not thst I think he's actually a WW. but I figured something weird could be in the works. Like he could be "halfway" turned, but got revived on the midst of the transformation so he'll some sort of halfway hybrid thingy. Right drawbacks of magic or whatever?
Huh? two people in Jon Snow's body? Am I missing something here?
Azor Ahai and Jon Snow in the same body. Ahai was a person in the past, wasn't he?
The Prince that was promised is a current person not a 2nd person in the body. Meaning the resurrection of Jon symbolizes the rebirth, not that there's 2 people in the 1 body. Azor Ahai is symbolic.
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I read Ahai was an actual person who fought back the WW in the past (who forged Lightbringer). Jon could be the Prince that was Promised, but what if both Jon's and Azor's souls both occupy Jon's body now? That's an interesting conflict--and a definite "magic with a price" consequence.
I believe it's implied canon that any of the Stark kids could potentially do it but only Bran has full blown done it.
All I know is the insane people who were comparing earlobes to identify people in the trailers say the stark kids can all warg and I believe this crazy fuckers.
Anyone descended from the First Men has that running through their blood, but it's never once been proven that they all have the power to do so. Almost all of them had dreams through their direwolves, though. There's a huge difference between that and being able to enter and control the body.
I'm pretty sure the dreams are them doing it without realizing it. Bran is just the only one talented enough to control it.
Yes. Which is what it means to warg. To control it. Like I said, we have no proof that any of the others can do so.
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D&D really love killing babies.
How many non book babies have been massacred?
I wonder if the killing of the Frey baby is just meant to be the TV equivalent to book Ramsay "likely" killing his brother when he was a child.
D&D really love killing babies.
How many non book babies have been massacred?
I wonder if the killing of the Frey baby is just meant to be the TV equivalent to book Ramsay "likely" killing his brother when he was a child.
Hey Balon actor, we need you to wait for 4 years and then we'll call you. But we're going to kill you instantly, okay? Okay.
Wait for what? He probably flew in for 3 days of shooting. Easy money and he could take any jobs he wanted in the past few years.
You don't like Sam?
more Sam and Gilly scenes?
no way
SHAGGYDOG NOOOOOO
freak OLLY
it's a ruuuuuuuse
I don't think so.
If it's not they just took the entire history of the north and used it as toilet paper for their peanut butter diarrhea
I am tired of Ramsey and that entire story line, it's a total bore. When he's killed in episode 9, I am throwing a freaking party.
Well that's exactly what they did. You don't have a ruse by handing over the entire kit and kaboodle, especially to Ramsey. The Umbers knew exactly what the Boltons are/were. They're in it for the long haul with that annoying queynte.
That scene wasn't jumping the shark, but it was at least a barracuda. Nothing about that storyline makes the show more compelling. Bringing Rickon back in another act of betrayal is a terrible move.
"Look at how shitty all the Northern houses really are!"
These guys were great when they had the source material to fall back on but without it dialog and general story telling has clearly taken a excrement.
Some of it has but some of it is pretty good still. The wall stuff, Kings Landing and Mereen are still really good and compelling. Last weeks episode was great this one wasn't.
They have taken so much bloat out and that's a good thing.
I thought it was a really good episode.
The thought that the wolf's head could be a ruse did cross my mind. The fact that Umber refused to swear any oaths or vows to Ramsay supports this theory.
I will be honest it's giving me agita. The Sansa storyline I understand a bit, it condensed a bunch of book stuff into a more coherent tv show. That's cool in my opinion even though I didn't dig it entirely.
This crap is horrible. Handing over Rickon, Osha, and Shaggydog kind of pissed me off. They're making Ramsey an all powerful villain, when he's not even close, he's a one note sadist, not even half as smart as Roose. I can believe Roose is a true adversary, Ramsey? Lol no.
I hated the Theon toture porn, it was unnecessary, they could have handled that better, then Sansa and than this it's too much bullshit heaped upon this particular story. The Umbers betrayal is just horrible, I can understand the Karstarks. The Manderley' s are supposedly betraying the Starks as well.
My guess is the Manderley' s are the ruse.
Oh well it's just a show.
I'm on board with the Great Northern Conspiracy until the show disappoints me.
I thought it was a really good episode.
The thought that the wolf's head could be a ruse did cross my mind. The fact that Umber refused to swear any oaths or vows to Ramsay supports this theory.
Weren't the Umbers - or at least the ones with Mors - the ones surrounding Winterfell banging all of the damn drums during Theon and Jeyne Poole's in the books? I wouldn't be surprised if D&D kept the Umbers trying to freak over Ramsey in a completely different manner(I haven't seen the episode yet).
Offering actual Rickon up as bait is incredibly silly. Nobody notices him anyway, and he's been gone a while. If I'm sending bait in, it's not going to actually be him.
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I really liked the episode. I didn't feel like it was any different than previous ones. It was a touch "slower" but I've complained about that in midseason episodes every year.
Maybe some of you are noticing things you ignored in the past because you were busy comparing the show to your reading experience?
Personally, I love the Ramsey storyline. He's a fantastic villain. He's basically The Joker. The question now is: is Jon Batman?
Ramsey is made out to be the big bad because the show for some reason feels the need to have a beyond sadistic big bad. Roose, for instance, is a much more refined villain and to me is a better alternative, both because the actor is superb and I think he's a much more interesting villain. It remains to be seen how all this is handled in the book. I think Martin would favor Roose.
To be fair the divergences from the source material do not bother me in the least if they're well done. Specifically, the Vary's/Tryion, Davos/Wall/Malisandre, Brienne/Sansa, Arya/Hound (which was a freaking awesome storyline) etc. etc. I also understand the need to condense some stuff, wow Books 4 & 5 can be bloated and annoying to read. Book 4, for instance, has none of the more interesting POV characters and as such was a slog to read because it was introducing new characters left and right.
Anyway, the Winterfell storyline with the constant new play things for Ramsey: Theon --> Sansa --> Osha/Rickon is too much. It's borderline stupid in my opinion. I don't think it's interesting nor well done. They could have have accomplished all this nonsense without the additional threat of more Ramsey torture porn. It's just ridiculous now and a complete bore in my opinion.
I wonder if Walder Frey is going to sever his alliance with the Boltons now that Ramsey fed his daughter/grandson to his dogs. Could be some reinforcements coming up from the Riverlands to help with the struggle in the North.
#BringBackTheBlackfish
I don't think other than the Umbers and Karstarks anyone knows the true story about Roose and Walda. It seemed that Smalljon Umber is a pretty sharp dude and knew Ramsey/Roose better than Littlefinger, for instance, who only set Sansa up for some serious rapage. That said, I don't think Frey raises his banners and forms an alliance with or against anyone. I think for narrative purposes he's toast.
Edit: I think Walder is a more interesting villain than Ramsey as well.
Ramsey is made out to be the big bad because the show for some reason feels the need to have a beyond sadistic big bad. Roose, for instance, is a much more refined villain and to me is a better alternative, both because the actor is superb and I think he's a much more interesting villain. It remains to be seen how all this is handled in the book. I think Martin would favor Roose.
To be fair the divergences from the source material do not bother me in the least if they're well done. Specifically, the Vary's/Tryion, Davos/Wall/Malisandre, Brienne/Sansa, Arya/Hound (which was a freaking awesome storyline) etc. etc. I also understand the need to condense some stuff, wow Books 4 & 5 can be bloated and annoying to read. Book 4, for instance, has none of the more interesting POV characters and as such was a slog to read because it was introducing new characters left and right.
Anyway, the Winterfell storyline with the constant new play things for Ramsey: Theon --> Sansa --> Osha/Rickon is too much. It's borderline stupid in my opinion. I don't think it's interesting nor well done. They could have have accomplished all this nonsense without the additional threat of more Ramsey torture porn. It's just ridiculous now and a complete bore in my opinion.
I agree that it's a bad plan, unless they have some sort of contingency to make sure he doesn't flay him.
http://www.techinsider.io/game-of-thrones-is-shaggydog-dead-2016-5
What I said didn't come out as intended. What I meant was, along the lines of what dcm is saying just above, it's a slow-building storyline (rather than lazy writing) and every season has been this way. Those who read the book probably didn't notice because you already knew all the backstory and didn't notice how drawn out it seemed because for you it was all reveals whereas for me it had been setting up reveals.
This episode had neither funbags nor dragons. I like it when there are funbags and dragons.Emilia Clarke has refused to do any further nudity on GoT. Dragon funbags are dead.
Emilia Clarke has refused to do any further nudity on GoT. Dragon funbags are dead.
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Emilia Clarke has refused to do any further nudity on GoT. Dragon funbags are dead.
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
If she wants me to keep watching her show she'd better get them out and look sharp about it.You'll accept GillyFlower funbags and like it.
I'm also willing to accept the slave girl's funbags as well as any of the Dorne girls. I'm not averse to Melisandre funbags but they're a little bit tarnished now, and anyway she pretty much carried the funbags thing on her own for a couple of seasons after the hooker girl got offed, so it's time for someone else to step up.
The Greyjoy bird and that gigantosaur with Sansa needn't bother though.
You'll accept GillyFlower funbags and like it.
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
I can't hold all this hype
I'm not enthused by the idea, but I was pleasantly surprised when the wildling bird that isn't Rose Leslie got them out so I'm willing to give it a go.I admire your enthusiasm
If she wants me to keep watching her show she'd better get them out and look sharp about it.
I'm also willing to accept the slave girl's funbags as well as any of the Dorne girls. I'm not averse to Melisandre funbags but they're a little bit tarnished now, and anyway she pretty much carried the funbags thing on her own for a couple of seasons after the hooker girl got offed, so it's time for someone else to step up.
The Greyjoy bird and that gigantosaur with Sansa needn't bother though.
You're going to love Arya's storyline. You'll be the only one who does, but go nuts.
She's a bit young looking for me. Does she turn into a dragon?Her unibrow does.
This episode had neither funbags nor dragons. I like it when there are funbags and dragons.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-art-parkinson_us_5730d3c3e4b016f378968aee?
That has nothing to do with what we are saying.
If she wants me to keep watching her show she'd better get them out and look sharp about it.
I'm also willing to accept the slave girl's funbags as well as any of the Dorne girls. I'm not averse to Melisandre funbags but they're a little bit tarnished now, and anyway she pretty much carried the funbags thing on her own for a couple of seasons after the hooker girl got offed, so it's time for someone else to step up.
The Greyjoy bird and that gigantosaur with Sansa needn't bother though.
How are Melisandre's funbags tarnished?
Any of us would kill for a wife who magically kept her funbags in that kind of shape long after our balls shrivel up.
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Game-Thrones-Rickon-Just-Shut-Down-Big-Fan-Theory-136947.html
Didnt Kit Harington also say Jon Snow was dead to keep suspense?
The conspiracy theories are most likely wrong, but you can't trust anything anyone involved with the show says.
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Game-Thrones-Rickon-Just-Shut-Down-Big-Fan-Theory-136947.html
OK Shaggydog is alive.
I really don't know. At this point I'm just curious to find out the answer to how crappily written this is. Seeing something as precisely woven together as this series burn sloppily before my eyes is kind of fascinating even if it's sad.
don't get me wrong, the production values are still amazing and the acting from the mainstays is still excellent, but the writing and pacing is lost a bit.
The Stannis/Dorne storylines were nuked and now possibly the north.
The Stannis/Dorne storylines were nuked and now possibly the north.
I think only people who have read the books feel like this. Having not read the books I never liked Stannis, he was an annoying soft queynte who needed to die. Dorne is fine, they haven't done much but I'm assuming their time will come.
I think only people who have read the books feel like this. Having not read the books I never liked Stannis, he was an annoying soft queynte who needed to die. Dorne is fine, they haven't done much but I'm assuming their time will come.
Also, what happened to Tyrion's bodyguard bloke, the master swordsman (in every sense)?
Bronn?
Yeah, him.
He'll be back.
I can tell this season is going to drive the book readers crazy. Without source material you just cannot expect some nobody of a writer to keep up.
I think only people who have read the books feel like this. Having not read the books I never liked Stannis, he was an annoying soft queynte who needed to die. Dorne is fine, they haven't done much but I'm assuming their time will come.
Readers keep talking about how Stannis and Dorne were poorly done on the show (and previously the same was said of Sansa), but I haven't felt that way at all.
Stannis' big moment was saving Jon Snow's derriere. He was a dick on the show, save for when he rode in to save everyone's favorite character. Readers don't like it because he wasn't "true" to the books' character, but that happens in every screen adaptation of everything.
As for the Dorne girls, it seems to me they're being set up as a catalyst for the coming war. Their actions say: "We're hellbent on vengeance and we really don't give a excrement what we have to do to get it--including regicide." If Dorne starts a war with King's Landing that's an awful lot of resources spent on a southern war when the WW are on their way from the north.
I didn't 100% hate show stannis, I hated the red woman more for turning him into an obedient pussywhipped bitch. I saw him as becoming less likeable the more he fell under her influence. He still had he moments, but she had too much of a hold on him.
BUT IN THE BOOKS ELLARIA SAND HAD BLONDE HAIR AND IN THE SHOW IT'S DARK SO EVERYTHING IS RUINED AND THE WHOLE THING HAS BEEN TURNED TO excrement.
I didn't 100% hate show stannis, I hated the red woman more for turning him into an obedient pussywhipped bitch. I saw him as becoming less likeable the more he fell under her influence. He still had he moments, but she had too much of a hold on him.
As for the Dorne girls, it seems to me they're being set up as a catalyst for the coming war. Their actions say: "We're hellbent on vengeance and we really don't give a excrement what we have to do to get it--including regicide."
They definitely don't give a excrement, considering they extinguished the rest of the family they're supposedly avenging. It's bad writing.
I just assume (as a viewer with no other knowledge of Dorne other than what I've seen on TV) that they liked Oberyn and didn't give a damn one way or the other for the king. Not avenging the "murder" of his brother appears to the sand snakes as an act of cowardice and weakness on the part of Dorne as a whole, not just the royal family. Regicide is the only way to put someone in power who will "properly" represent Dorne.
That's not bad writing if that's where the storyline leads. Again, I maintain my opinion that previous seasons have run along the same lines and readers just overlooked it because they knew what that payoff would eventually be. The show suffers from having a ludicrously short season to cover so much material.
Now that I'm thinking about Dorne, how is it possible for this show to have that laughably bad fight scene there last year but then make that tower of joy fight scene so good.
I think only people who have read the books feel like this. Having not read the books I never liked Stannis, he was an annoying soft queynte who needed to die. Dorne is fine, they haven't done much but I'm assuming their time will come.
Readers keep talking about how Stannis and Dorne were poorly done on the show (and previously the same was said of Sansa), but I haven't felt that way at all.
Stannis' big moment was saving Jon Snow's derriere. He was a dick on the show, save for when he rode in to save everyone's favorite character. Readers don't like it because he wasn't "true" to the books' character, but that happens in every screen adaptation of everything.
As for the Dorne girls, it seems to me they're being set up as a catalyst for the coming war. Their actions say: "We're hellbent on vengeance and we really don't give a excrement what we have to do to get it--including regicide." If Dorne starts a war with King's Landing that's an awful lot of resources spent on a southern war when the WW are on their way from the north.
Readers don't like show Stannis because he was much better written in the books. You don't have that basis for comparison, so I'm not sure how you can argue that it wasn't an issue. It's like if someone tells you that Peter Luger is much better than Outback, but you've only eaten at Outback and think it's pretty good, so you argue that they don't have a legitimate opinion. It's fine, it's Outback. It's different, it's inoffensive and basic. Just don't tell me I shouldn't want a better steak.
Do you think the more indispensable stars in the show (Dinklage, Headey, Clarke, Harrington) have contracts that demand a specific number of episode appearances per season? I keep thinking I'd like this season better if they just stuck with two storylines per episode, instead of seven minutes with each storyline. But maybe they're obligated to feature the leads in every episode.
I just assume (as a viewer with no other knowledge of Dorne other than what I've seen on TV) that they liked Oberyn and didn't give a damn one way or the other for the king. Not avenging the "murder" of his brother appears to the sand snakes as an act of cowardice and weakness on the part of Dorne as a whole, not just the royal family. Regicide is the only way to put someone in power who will "properly" represent Dorne.
That's not bad writing if that's where the storyline leads. Again, I maintain my opinion that previous seasons have run along the same lines and readers just overlooked it because they knew what that payoff would eventually be. The show suffers from having a ludicrously short season to cover so much material.
Readers don't like show Stannis because he was much better written in the books. You don't have that basis for comparison, so I'm not sure how you can argue that it wasn't an issue. It's like if someone tells you that Peter Luger is much better than Outback, but you've only eaten at Outback and think it's pretty good, so you argue that they don't have a legitimate opinion. It's fine, it's Outback. It's different, it's inoffensive and basic. Just don't tell me I shouldn't want a better steak.
Doran is not a king.
Comic book adaptations should be given more flexibility since pretty much every character has gone through a dozen incarnations. ASOIAF/GOT comes from a singular work with one writer.
The problem comes in when you just knock the writers for "lazy writing" rather than accept that you're just personally disappointed with what they did with a favorite character. Stannis to me, as a non-book-reading fan, was fine. His story was that of a man who believed he should be king, was influenced by the honey-coated words of a priestess who believed he should be king, and had a ruinous fall. It may make him different from your impression, but it doesn't make him a poor character.
There are specific things about Batman and Captain America that the current movie teams changed that are strongly out of character for their source material. Given those are my two favorite comic heroes, I could throw a fit like I've seen others do. Instead, I just accept that it's a different medium, with a different interpretation, and I accept the stories being told in that medium.
My mistake. To be honest, the entire Dorne storyline can get tossed for all I care. Oberyn was the only character from that plot line that I cared at all about, and even then only because of his alliance with Tyrion.
A writer who has already told the directors what the end of the story is. He may not always agree with the path they're taking to get there, but they're both headed to the same destination.
Given that I've watched every episode of GoT with rapt attention and tried twice unsuccessfully to read Martin's work, I prefer the road HBO is traveling. You don't, and while there's nothing wrong with that, it doesn't make the writers "lazy" or "bad." And that's my point.
It's not lazy writing because I don't like what they've done with the character. It's lazy writing because they changed him into a excrement caricature. They actually had a blueprint to work from, and instead of using that character with depth built in or creating a similarly complex character, they made a caricature. Lazy writing is exactly the right term for it. There are plenty of well developed characters that I hate in every medium. Stannis wasn't one of them. When you dumb him down and streamline him, it's lazy.
It's not lazy writing because I don't like what they've done with the character. It's lazy writing because they changed him into a excrement caricature. They actually had a blueprint to work from, and instead of using that character with depth built in or creating a similarly complex character, they made a caricature. Lazy writing is exactly the right term for it. There are plenty of well developed characters that I hate in every medium. Stannis wasn't one of them. When you dumb him down and streamline him, it's lazy.
If you don't care about it... it must not be very well written.
You're not wrong to feel that way as they've given us no reason to care about the surviving Dorne characters.
I'm really not trying to fight with you guys. Harping on the point is probably irritating to you and not my intention.
[BatmanVSuperman Spoiler]
One of Batman's rules (really the one "unbreakable" one) is "no guns" yet that change was made. It's a massive change for that character, and completely changes who he is. That's not "lazy" writing. It validly pissed some people off. Even my reaction was "Huh? WTF?" But in the end it's just different and doesn't meet my expectation.
[End Spoiler]
Stannis is different from what you know. Significantly so. You have a right to be upset that you're not seeing him interpreted "correctly" and I'm not knocking you for it. I'm just saying that the fact that you read the books is what is leading you to be upset with the character. Those that didn't read the books have no issues with the way he was portrayed.
Stannis is different from what you know. Significantly so. You have a right to be upset that you're not seeing him interpreted "correctly" and I'm not knocking you for it. I'm just saying that the fact that you read the books is what is leading you to be upset with the character. Those that didn't read the books have no issues with the way he was portrayed.
I have zero expectations of seeing a character exactly like the book, frankly I don't give five shits if a character in the book beds all the ladies in Westeros but in the show they make him a prison bitch. A tv show is a wholly different medium from a book.
GRRM himself said he didn't think his books were adaptable to tv or film. D and D have a massive undertaking, his books are complex and bloated with tons of sub plots, dead ends and beyond descriptive writing.
So I understand full well that they have a very complex and difficult task, one I probably couldn't do.
That said, they have made changes for the better like Arya and the Hound, which was among the better interactions in the shows history and wasn't like that in the book. Literally it was fantastic writing and acting.
However, Stannis on the show was crap. Not because I read it in the book and expected something different but because it was crappy. They stripped Stannis of his character and cunning military prowess and made a living statue. His scenes made me yawn in the show, it was a bore, just like what they're doing with Ramsey.
Again, I don't expect anything other than entertainment, to me they have free reign. They have largely made a great tv show, that doesn't mean they don't have parts of it with massive flaws.
Nailed it. Book readers get criticized for having issues with things despite being overwhelmingly in support of the show and the work done. The funny thing is that the people on here complain about things that are intrinsically wrong with the show itself, yet we're accused of only doing it because we're book readers. If I watched this show without ever having read the books, I'd have nearly all of the same issues. From a writer's perspective, the problems that exist don't exist because of the presence of the books. The presence of the books merely exacerbates them. Stannis is a poorly written character regardless of whether the books exist. He's a lazily written character because the writers could have pulled his character straight from the books and had automatic complexity.
You and JE are the only people I've talked to who thought Stannis was a well written character. That includes people who didn't read the books.
However, Stannis on the show was crap. Not because I read it in the book and expected something different but because it was crappy. They stripped Stannis of his character and cunning military prowess and made a living statue. His scenes made me yawn in the show, it was a bore, just like what they're doing with Ramsey.
You and JE are the only people I've talked to who thought Stannis was a well written character. That includes people who didn't read the books.
And the people here are the only ones I've talked to who thought Stannis was crappy. Anecdotal experience is irrelevant.
Strangely enough, I absolutely abhor torture porn, yet I find myself drawn into every scene Ramsey is in. I'm always waiting to see just how fucked up the next thing he does is. To me, he's a great villain.
...i imagine his sample size is significantly larger.
Right. The guy who admitted his name is printed inside Dungeons and Dragons manuals
My mum used to make me do that with my books as well.
Show Stannis never once made a decision he didn't run by Mel or Jon that one time.
It's pretty hard to say it wasn't bad writing for him. Apparently he is cool in the books so they had something to work with if they wanted to go that direction with him.
Right. The guy who admitted his name is printed inside Dungeons and Dragons manuals doesn't know many people who've read the ASOIAF series or watch Game of Thrones.
EDIT: In fairness, I shouldn't have phrased that like I did. It's not that people didn't think Stannis was crappy, but they didn't have the same issues (or at least have spoken them to me) that I'm seeing here (i.e. lazy writing). People generally agree that TV Stannis was a dick and a stiff.
I still don't see how it's "bad writing" is what I'm saying.
You're right, he didn't make any of his own decisions. And that's being called contrary to the book's version of the character. But he's not the same character with the same story. To me, TV Stannis' entire point for existing was to save Jon from the Wildlings and introduce the Red Lady. Beyond that, he had no other point. I'm not disappointed with him because I don't see any other reason for his being around. The readers do. Because he had a deeper story on paper.
.....and the guy who writes for a living doesn't know about writing?
.....and the guy who writes for a living doesn't know about writing?
You're agreeing with everyone now and just being pedantic about it. If he had been more realized as a character we could have seen him as a potential player in the end game instead of just a disguised pawn. Book readers legit thought he would be a player in the end game.
I hear Alio and am not trying to fight his opinion, I just don't feel he's particularly right. But he's more forgiving with that stuff.
I wasn't knocking him at any point. You brought up people's social circles. I have a lot of respect for Iggy's opinions regarding Hollywood.
That comes back around to my point before things got out of hand. Whenever a written work is converted to the screen, there are changes made. IME, they're usually significant and it tends to upset loyal followers of the written work. I'm not saying it doesn't suck, I'm just saying "it is what it is."
I've said before how I feel bad for loyal readers. I know Puck has the opinion that the show is a completely different animal than the novels now, but many people don't agree even with that.
I wasn't trying to rile anyone up.
Right, I watch things along the line of: let them run their own course and take it for whatever it is. Believe me, there are things even I can't tolerate. For example, while Agent Carter was cancelled yesterday, Supergirl got a second season which is inexplicable.
There are a certain segment of book readers that feel the show is an abortion. Seriously, for shits and giggles, check out the ice and fire forum. It's GOT tv section is literally filled with the most miserable book nerds I have ever seen. I won't go near there any longer it gives me agita, they literally worship GRRM and think D and D are the devil incarnate.
I thought it would be a good place to visit to get a handle on R+L=J. Wow was I wrong.
Those faggots are the exception, I would hope most of the people Iggy associates with, for instance, understand that the books and the tv show are two distinct, separate entities, based on the same story.
They have to be, you just can't have a show 100 percent faithfully based on the books, they would need double or triple the episodes and a cast that would probably include every known actor in the English speaking world.
In my opinion it would be impossible and in that can D and D have largely done a very admirable job. I honestly can't believe how well they have casted the series. In my opinion it's up there with the most spot on casts,I have ever seen, Dead wood and The Wire come to mind, strictly speaking about the casting. I don't think the writing is up to par with those shows but that's because the GOT universe is ten times more expansive and still has a million times too much bloat in comparison. It's basically an impossible task.
All of this is basically what I was trying to say.
As I said, my wife reads a lot of that young adult fiction that keeps getting turned into movies. She's always talking about how people are eRaging over how characters were changed from the book. It's actually caused a few series to be cancelled after the first film.
Like you pointed out, it's a matter of time constraint. With only 8 episodes per season, and only 7 seasons originally planned, how do you fit all of that content in? Sometimes you merge characters (wasn't the Sansa wedding night scene an amalgamation of another character's story?) Sometimes you condense the story (Stannis).
We still haven't actually seen Stannis dead though. Every other character that has died on the show we've actually seen postmortem. And obviously death is no obstacle in this series.
I would hope most of the people Iggy associates with, for instance, understand that the books and the tv show are two distinct, separate entities, based on the same story.
In the book Sansa's storyline is actually Jeyne Poole, a character briefly mentioned in a season 1 episode. Stannis is gonzo, he be dead, oddly the director of that particular episode didn't feel the need to show him chopped in half.
In the book Tyrion is in a drunk stupor, with a band of mercenaries and has a dwarf sidekick named Penny and hasn't met Dany yet. He isn't with Varys. Literally they would need at least an entire season to explain that storyline, it would be awful tv. This is a perfect instance where the show gets it right. They just cut out all that subplot bloat and kill two birds with one stone. They involved Jorah and got Tyrion to Dany. Thank the freaking lord they did it that way.
Stannis in the book is a weirdly funny dude not as bound to Melisandre, not as dour, a much more intelligent richer character. It's a shame because even though the actor that played him, Dillane seems like a queynte in real life, he's a damn good actor. He would have nailed that part had they given him some meat on the bone. Think Tywin good, that's what the part could have and should have been.
I think the main pov characters have been pretty damn good for the most part, it's the ancillary characters they screw up the most. For instance, Ramsey, Stannis, the Dorne stuff are basically all messed to.
I think based on their handling of Stannis, GRRM has something similar in store for him, is just that the lead up was pretty damn good vs the show we were like," this doesn't add up at all, that's terrible. Show Stannis is a complete jackass".
Oh God, I really hope the show doesn't bother with Jon Connington either. That storyline is so incredibly meh so far. Hopefully it changes, but as of now I just wish it didn't exist.
What about that stupid Quentin storyline (if that's his name I honestly can't recall he was that inconsequential). Martin devotes a whole bunch of pov chapters on him and you think he's important then in a move that Tyrion pulled the episode prior, he gets crisped up like a hot dog by Dany's dragons. It was utterly pointless.
Oh God, I really hope the show doesn't bother with Jon Connington either. That storyline is so incredibly meh so far. Hopefully it changes, but as of now I just wish it didn't exist.
It fleshed out Dorne some. Gave it some layers that are sorely lacking in the show.
It would be really cool if GRRM decided to change subtle directions of the plot because of some of the TV criticism.
It would be really cool if GRRM decided to change subtle directions of the plot because of some of the TV criticism.
Maybe even subconsciously.
Just a thought
But maybe the Rickon thing wasn't a rouse, but instead was designed so Theon has a chance at redemption.
Would make a ton of sense
weird place for the pink letter.
I'm sure people are putting together theories of what that means for the book, but now i'm really confused.
I always thought the reason for the letter was the spearwives getting tortured. So this is probably the plot substitute for that.
It makes you wonder how far they've deviated
I really wonder if that's fake Rickon. Otherwise, that aspect of the storyline is freaking stupid.
I think the show version of the letter is better. I'll go into detail later.
Ok, so to compare the two:
Sansa replacing Alys Karstark (a better way to remind Jon who he is and push him to take back Winterfell)
Rickon replacing Mance (a much more valuable and interesting hostage)
One thing I didn't get was that he didn't mention Stannis in the letter at all, which is weird considering he actually did defeat him in the show and hadn't done so in the books (at least not yet).
I forget does he know that Stannis is actually dead in the show ?
I thought they said something last week (ie we dont know who dealt the killing blow) but I cant remember
Ok, so to compare the two:
Sansa replacing Alys Karstark (a better way to remind Jon who he is and push him to take back Winterfell)
Rickon replacing Mance (a much more valuable and interesting hostage)
One thing I didn't get was that he didn't mention Stannis in the letter at all, which is weird considering he actually did defeat him in the show and hadn't done so in the books (at least not yet).
there's no Davos goose chase for them either. not sure how that fits in
KHALEESI funbags
(but no dragons)
Pretty sure you weren't thinking about dragons...
There are other errands Davos could be tasked with. Trying to avoid spoilery speculation.
I wish Jaime would do something more interesting than be Cersei's lap dog lately.
I wish Jaime would do something more interesting than be Cersei's lap dog lately.
EW – But before any assumptions are made about Clarke’s participation in the scene, there’s something the actress wants everybody to know. “I’d like to remind people the last time I took my clothes off was season 3,” she says. “That was awhile ago. It’s now season 6. But this is all me, all proud, all strong. I’m just feeling genuinely happy I said ‘Yes.’ That ain’t no body double!”
^ it's surprising to say the least. She was quite adamant in her refusal to do any more nudity for the show.
He's back in that hoo-ha. He'll end up killing the high sparrow or something.
Pretty much this.
She was advised of my disappointment with last week's lack of funbags or dragons and wisely rectified the issue rather than risking my further vexation.
Have you told Margery, Melisandre (the young one), Missandei, and Cersei of your recent disappointment in them?
I shouldn't have to. They know their responsibilities.
Big Blocker is hoping Lady Olyenna knows too, while I hope Loras shows his junc.
Marjorie
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It's not R+L=J but it's an interesting enough theory:
http://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/High-Sparrow-Game-Thrones-Theory-41349528
The episode leaked online because HBO Nordic accidentally opened it early. I decided to watch it...
Mother freaking wow
Is there a way of explaining without spoiling?
Not really.
The ending hit me in the feels. It was one of my favorite episodes of the series.
A columnist said this episode is supposed to be absolutely insane. I guess that's the case. He said it was an alltimer episode.
Is there a way of explaining without spoiling?
I think anyone who is saying that is saying that because of the ending. I don't think as a whole it's an all timer. The first 40-45 minutes aren't even top 10 episode material, but the end certainly goes full throttle.
Thanks, I haven't seen it yet so I can't opine. Sometimes the way a show/episode or a movie ends makes the difference. It happens a lot in sports, how often is a game total excrement and than the last period or last five minutes is nuts and suddenly people are saying," that was the best game I have ever seen or been to". Then you sit back and realize the first 3/4's kind of sucked. I hear you, I can't watch till like midnight because of hockey which kind of sucks.
I'm excited! Good job not eventually just blurting it out guys.
I can't even
Did you watch or nah?
Does everyone have their hype ready?
Well after tonight im convinced that the whole Rickon thing isnt a rouse.
This show just has no love for dire-wolves
yep. pretty gay how easily they're dying.
If anything I think the direwolf dying unintentionally takes away from Hodor honestly
From Tumblr:
Euron Greyjoy's Kingsmoot Speech
What GRRM wrote: "Who knows more of gods than I? Horse gods and fire gods, gods made of gold with gemstone eyes, gods carved of cedar wood, gods chiseled into mountains, gods of empty air... I know them all. I have seen their peoples garland them with flowers, and shed the blood of goats and bulls and children in their names. And I have heard the prayers, in half a hundred tongues. Cure my withered leg, make the maiden love me, grant me a healthy son. Save me, succor me, make me wealthy... protect me! Protect me from mine enemies, protect me from the darkness, protect me from the crabs inside my belly, from the horselords, from the slavers, from the sellswords at my door. Protect me from the Silence." He laughed. "Godless? Why, Aeron, I am the godliest man ever to raise sail! You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray."
what D&D wrote: Lol I have such a big dick, let me make a bunch of dickjokes to Theon and tell the entire Ironborn (or at least the 20 extras HBO could afford) about my entire plan lolololoooo
has someone made a teleporting Littlefinger meme yet?
What if that wasn't Littlefinger?
I think it's kind of gay complaining about LF being in different places in this episode when no one knows the time reference. Jesus that's a freaking stupid complaint, who freaking cares, people are freaking resurrected, dragons, zombies and freaking ice men and they comolain Little Finger travels fast. Jesus
What if Jesus were gay?
I think it's kind of gay complaining about LF being in different places in this episode when no one knows the time reference. Jesus that's a freaking stupid complaint, who freaking cares, people are freaking resurrected, dragons, zombies and freaking ice men and they comolain Little Finger travels fast. Jesus
JFIF is a nitpicking player of the pink oboe
How mad do you think GRRM is that he let one his best mystery's that was hiding in plain site for 20 years get revealed by the show?
It's not just this episode people are pointing that out. This has been something they've done with him for the last couple of seasons. I mostly get a kick out of the some of the comments (is there a subway system only littlefinger knows about?"), but honestly it's a valid criticism. It's lazy, and the logic of saying "it's fantasy, so who gives a excrement" is also kind of lazy because all fiction has their own rules. It's inconsistent within itself, which is the issue.
This shouldn't be surprising though. This is why it takes a zillion years for GRRM to write his books because it has all to intertwine and have congruency. I imagine the unstoppable machine that is GoTs is what's creating self inflicting wounds. There probably wasn't enough time for them to create plausible scenarios and cross reference all the lore, or maybe they knew that from the beginning and said "lets hope no one gives a excrement".
Look some of the writing isn't great, we can all be honest about that here. You have read the books, can you honestly say the books as is, with a faithful adaption, would make for good tv? The show would have lasted one episode after spending an hour listening to someone describe lamprey pie.
There's so much bloat, dead ends, annoying character introductions and pacing problems within those books that this show is going to have all sorts of continuity issues even with perfect writing.
There literally could have been two weeks in between for LF to travel. Sansa for freak sake made a dress and recreated Ned Stark's cloak by hand since last episode. How long would that take without a sewing machine?
I think people waste so much time worrying about nonsense with regard to the show and it's decoupling from the books. This show could never in million years be a faithful adaption. Just because they have a rough outline really doesn't make writing and adapting this show easier.
In fact, I think the opposite, they have to fill in the blanks and build a show, keeping the freaking annoying nerds that want GRRM's love child and people that like and appreciate l
good tv all happy. It's an impossible task, one they have largely done well.
They had/have a very difficult job that is in most respects more difficult than spending 8 years writing a book, changing and editing excrement because your farts smelled a little too much this morning.
Crom! :'(
I agree with most of what you're saying, and the bold is absolutely so, but none of it contradicts what I just said. Just because you have a segment of devote purists doesn't mean there aren't valid criticisms to be made or discussed.
You didn't see this kind of backlash until last season, because they were doing an all time great job of producing a show while GRRM was able to hold their hand. Yeah, you had outliers but I think over time the response was often reasonable. What's happened the past two seasons is entirely something different.
You can absolutely see the difference between George and guys who wrote screenplays for Troy and X-men Origins Wolverine.
There are absolutely valid criticisms to be had with regard to D&D. I just don't think LittleFingers traveling is one of them. Again, if you look so close as to be bugged about his travels, you should also look close enough to see there's ample evidence to support enough time has passed for him to travel.
Jesus, sometimes it took months of sailing to get places back in the middle ages. Would being faithful to time make good tv just to satisfy the miserable douchebags on an ice and fire forum? To be honest, I don't think you can make any of them happy, short of having segments where D&D film Martin typing the new book naked while eating pigeon pie.
Also, season 5 had 2 huge missteps which gave Martin sycophants their annoying voice. As much as I hated the Stannis story in the show, I think you can see why they did it this season, to get to the real players in the North. Dorne, freak Dorne, that was an abortion all around.
It's got to be insane mapping out the story for the show. They have all these dots they need to connect but they have to draw the lines free form.
There are absolutely valid criticisms to be had with regard to D&D. I just don't think LittleFingers traveling is one of them. Again, if you look so close as to be bugged about his travels, you should also look close enough to see there's ample evidence to support enough time has passed for him to travel.
Jesus, sometimes it took months of sailing to get places back in the middle ages. Would being faithful to time make good tv just to satisfy the miserable douchebags on an ice and fire forum? To be honest, I don't think you can make any of them happy, short of having segments where D&D film Martin typing the new book naked while eating pigeon pie.
Also, season 5 had 2 huge missteps which gave Martin sycophants their annoying voice. As much as I hated the Stannis story in the show, I think you can see why they did it this season, to get to the real players in the North. Dorne, freak Dorne, that was an abortion all around.
I'm definitely convinced there is a certain class of nerd that will hate whatever the show does while going back and watching the episodes 5 times a piece to look for clues.
The haters watch the show more than people that love it, I find that amazing.Lol
So, is Dany getting a special delivery of boats? Seems that Yara would find a kindred spirit in her, plus it would really stick it to Euron.
So, is Dany getting a special delivery of boats? Seems that Yara would find a kindred spirit in her, plus it would really stick it to Euron.
Is that where they actually went?
Because that wouldn't make much sense.
I'm definitely convinced there is a certain class of nerd that will hate whatever the show does while going back and watching the episodes 5 times a piece to look for clues.
This guy jokingly hit the nail on the head in 2008. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/26325-what-does-hodor-mean/&page=2#comment-1236249
Jesus, sometimes it took months of sailing to get places back in the middle ages.
Where else could they go that moves the story along? Asking for real, you know more about the story than me.
Where else could they go that moves the story along? Asking for real, you know more about the story than me.
I think it's possible she's trying to get to Dany before Euron does.
In the books another one of Euron's brothers makes the trip on his behalf. Yara mopes around, occupying a Northern castle until she and her men are captured by Stannis.
Euron just hired littlefinger as lead manufacturing engineer
I was thinking they get there and convince dany to use the unsullied and dohtraki to build a shitload of ships using their knowledge before Euron can get there.
But what does she have to offer? How many ships/men did she actually take? Wasn't the point of building the fleet to give it to Dany? Now they're just going to war?
The book made sense because Victorian had the dragon controlling horn or whatever.
I legitimately started laughing when it took them 10 minutes to steal all the ships, and I imagine that 1000 ship fleet will magically be built by episode 8 or some excrement.
A naval battle with the dragons flying around would be badass. The Dothraki would be useless though.
Also, my phone wanted to autocorrect Dothraki to Foreskin.
Book readers, do you think Jorah will meet Moqorro since Victarion isn't in the show?
Tell us more about your childhood.
Set up an alternating work schedule where the unsullied and dohtraki spend a few days training on the ships that the iron born already have. On the other days they are gathering raw materials or constructing the ships. The dohtraki women are hardcore enough to help out with all the ship building stuff too.
Nerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd
If kid hodor\wyllis didn't do such a good job that opinion would be more widespread.
As a non book reader and person whose opinion doesn't count, I thought it was good. He dies protecting Bran after a lifetime of protecting Bran. Even though his condition was caused by Bran's powers, while giving him an apparent glimpse of his future death. He was always one of the most likeable characters in the show, even moreso now after understanding that type of loyalty. I thought it was pretty cool that what seemed like a simple one dimensional character had such a meaningful backstory. I think this event is also setting up Bran's abilities/storyline big time.
As a non book reader and person whose opinion doesn't count, I thought it was good. He dies protecting Bran after a lifetime of protecting Bran. Even though his condition was caused by Bran's powers, while giving him an apparent glimpse of his future death. He was always one of the most likeable characters in the show, even moreso now after understanding that type of loyalty. I thought it was pretty cool that what seemed like a simple one dimensional character had such a meaningful backstory. I think this event is also setting up Bran's abilities/storyline big time.
I think it's going to be interesting to see how Bran's story plays out. I wonder if he will uncover that Meera is Jon's twin sister.
Ok.... So at the end of the episode, Bran was observing Wyllis in the past (using Greenseer abilities). Then he wargs into Hodor in the present without leaving his vision. It either has a side effect on Wyllis or he also effectively wargs into Wyllis linking the two (Hodor and Wyllis). His eyes clouded over when he fell to the ground, implying Bran was controlling him. Not saying it will happen, but they may be setting precendent for Bran to be able to warg into people in the past or at the least somehow combine his warg/Greenseer abilities.
We also saw past tense Ned Stark turn and look when Bran called out to him at the Tower of Joy. The Night's king actually saw him and physically touched him during what was supposed to be a vision of the past. You have to think they're setting up Bran to attempt to influence the past to change the future.
The show may go that way. I don't think the books will.
Bran can't change the past. All he can do is cause it to happen.
I liked Sansa going badass at the war table. I liked the overall scene with the WWs but I must be broken because I'm the only person I know who didn't care at all about the ending. Hodor was always a throwaway character to me.
How do you say "All wolves must die" in High Valyrian?
How does the new priestess know so much about Varys' castration night? Has there ever been a definitive answer in the books on the existence of gods? Could Littlefinger possibly be a walking god? That could explain his speed.
My wife hated the ending, so she's with you.
No definitive answer in the books, but Thoros and Melisandre are a red priest and priestess and definitely have powers. It stands to reason that the new priestess does as well.
A more interesting question for me is whether the voice he heard in the flames could be Bran. I doubt it since I doubt his powers extend beyond Westeros, but it would be interesting.
I didn't hate the ending, I just didn't care about it. Like I said, Hodor's just a throwaway character to me.
Melisandre is where that question originated for me. Before this season I was wondering whether she had any supernatural abilities at all or if her visions were no more than the ones a guy holding a sign on the street corner has. Then when she raised Jon I wondered if it was magic rather than divine intervention. This new priestess knows more than she could otherwise though.
Unless, like you said, it was Bran. Suddenly Bran could become a lot more interesting to me. I haven't cared about his story up until this point.
Well why would you care about hodor if you don't even care about Bran?
That's a good point. Still, Hodor seemed to be the kind of character people are supposed to care about. The gentle giant who is willfully abused. I just didn't care.
Now I'm wondering: did Hodor "remember" the door he was going to have to hold all these years? Was he just waiting around for it to happen or was his brain just broken from the seizure? Sadly I care more about him now that he's gone--or at least his story.
My thinking is that he recalled what was supposed to happen. When the girl was talking about breakfast he was responding with "Hodor" but not in a longing "Yeah, that will be nice" way. It was more of a "Enjoy some for me, I'm not leaving this place" way.
Bran is a real poopchute in that scene a couple episodes ago where he was all, "Hey Hodor, how come you can't talk? What happened?"
I rewatched that scene when I watched the ep again with my wife and had that in mind. He was definitely in a "Yeah that will be nice" kind of way.
Bran wasn't the 3-eyed raven yet when he said that.
Time paradoxes give me a freaking headache.
When someone starts talking about them I start shivering out of panic
Gilly cleans up nicely
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The Dany storyline is really boring to me lately, Arya's finally picking up, thank the lord for freak sake. Sam's Dad is a raging queynte. The Benjen reveal was pretty much expected by me but still cool. The High Sparrow played everyone in Kings Landing for fools, which was also cool.
No Jon or Tyrion though kind of made it a meh episode. Although, I am enjoying the Bran stuff.
Coldhands felt a bit forced, but a nice entrance anyway. The idea that Dragonstone in the heart can both start and stop the white walker transformation is kind of meh.
Margaery making her family look like idiots by playing her own game was pretty fun.
Arya throwing everything away...not sure how I feel about that. She gives up on everything she wanted just to save some excrement actress. I guess I'll wait until I see where they're going with that one.
Sam is going to need some new clothes and fast.
Bran needs to get that excrement under control and show us the rest of ToJ.
Dragon glass.
I had to read your post a few times to figure out why Stannis's castle would control white walker transformation.
So Coldhands was always BenJen? Or did they merge the characters? It seemed like an incredibly easy conclusion to make in the books but the part that always threw people off was how old/dead he was.
On a side note, I totally forgot about Patchface existing in the books ,and just am now realizing how his prophetic "powers" came to be. I guess Patchface is just funny/creepy Hodor
Coldhands felt a bit forced, but a nice entrance anyway. The idea that Dragonglass in the heart can both start and stop the white walker transformation is kind of meh.
Margaery making her family look like idiots by playing her own game was pretty fun.
Arya throwing everything away...not sure how I feel about that. She gives up on everything she wanted just to save some excrement actress. I guess I'll wait until I see where they're going with that one.
Sam is going to need some new clothes and fast.
Bran needs to get that excrement under control and show us the rest of ToJ.
I could be wrong but I don't think Arya threw everything away to save the actress.
Arya saw the play reminding her of her home, her father her sister, and who she is. And decided she didn't want to be a girl with no name, but instead wanted to be Arya Stark.
Plus now she will return to the world with all this training and presumably do what she originally set out to do
Arya throwing everything away...not sure how I feel about that. She gives up on everything she wanted just to save some excrement actress. I guess I'll wait until I see where they're going with that one.
Looking back Arya kills for revenge not for money, the people she killed with the Hound were all revenge kills. The fact she abandoned the first mark to kill Trant made this pretty clear. I didn't think she would kill the actress it didn't fit her character.
I think I disagree with every sentiment here.
Arya was never going to become no one. She saved Needle for a reason. Would you ever be able to take secret assassin Arya seriously?
Not sure what makes the actress excrement, but it was less about saving her and more about not agreeing with the mission. Killing her on behalf of a jealous peer seems like a shitty reason to her, and Arya is too rebellious to follow orders like that.
What I don't like about the storyline (besides how drawn out it felt) was reducing the Waif to some antagonist for Arya to overcome, instead of the more complex, fleshed out character she was in the books. But that's par for the course at this point.
It would have been a much better storyline if it were a better target. That whole thing felt like a big waste of time.
Arya vs. Waif will be p cool though
I hope the Waif doesn't hide behind any of the faces, and confronts Arya head-on. Make it a fair fight.
Arya is going to win
eyebrow sleeperhold
What do you think a kid would look like between her and Giacomini?
It's not Arya deciding to go back that's the issue for me. It's the fact that she turns her back on everything she worked for for a shitty reason. She endured all of those trials to have a change of heart only after the actress tells her story. We see Arya's inability to let her past go when viewing the play, but she goes through with the plan right up until the actress stops her. I have an issue with the fact that she throws away what she's been working for only after Lady Crane talks to her.
What do you think a kid would look like between her and Giacomini?JFIF
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JFIF
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So she changed her mind after receiving new information/experiences? What a flip flopping piece of excrement.
Great episode for Arya and Sam. Never thought I'd say that.
I can't wait for Jaime to kill the sparrows.
Dany is becoming a self serving entitled bitch. Maybe she always has been and I just ignored it.
The Starks better win this excrement. They are the only truly good people in the story.
Bronn is in the preview for the next episode
Bronn is in the preview for the next episode
Wow. That's the worst response I've seen in a while. As I said, it's not her changing her mind that bothers me. It's the impetus. She watches the play and has an emotional reaction to the portrayal of her family. Great. She is still willing to go through with it. She understands a bit better what Cersei was going through and the way that vengeance can take control of a person. Great. She is still willing to go through with it. She pours the poison and is trying to escape when the actress notices her (an interesting moment for sure that shows she's not allowing herself to become 'no one' but still with terrible circumstances...you got the same sense from the way she drew attention with her laughter during Joffrey's death scene). So, she would have walked out, killed the actress, and become a faceless man if only she hadn't stopped her to talk. That's what ultimately causes her to undo all of the work she put in regardless of the rest of the buildup. That's terrible.
I even understand why they did it. They wanted that big moment, slapping the poison away, turning things on the younger actress, the waif witnessing it all. It was just a shitty motivation they ended on. The whole thing was fluff and really could have been done better. Oh wait, but hurrd hurrd I don't think people can change after new experiences. Clearly I didn't reference the specifics of my complaint or anything.
Great episode for Arya and Sam. Never thought I'd say that.
I can't wait for Jaime to kill the sparrows.
Dany is becoming a self serving entitled bitch. Maybe she always has been and I just ignored it.
The Starks better win this excrement. They are the only truly good people in the story.
Oh, and how cool is it that Sam has a VS sword like Jon's? Aren't there only a few left?
Yes, and readers have long wondered when it might actually play a role in the books.
Bronn coming back is great.
I completely disagree about Dany being the same since her brothers death. The way they have wrote her character is totally bipolar. She bounces between heart of gold and ruthless queynte constantly. I have been a supporter, but it's clear now she only cares about herself.
What's the deal with the Blackfish in the books? I remember him from the bow and arrow funeral pyre scene they showed in the preview. He's a cursory character in the show as far as I can recall.
Whats the deal with Tobias Menzie's character again ?
I havent seen him since before the red wedding I think, and kind of forgot everything about him.
Edmure Tully, babbie
We got that sense from her watching the play, but she still went through with placing the poison well after the emotional response to her father's scene. She didn't come back and change her mind until after her conversation with the actress herself.
How would you change it?
The queen loves her son more than anything. And he was taken from her before she could say good-bye. She wouldn't just cry. She would be angry. She would want to kill the person who did this to her.
Arya vs. Waif will be p cool though
I saw someone point out that Arya blowing out that candle at the end of the scene might not be in order to go to sleep, but to prepare for combat.
it's to prepare for the return of Lord Jason Mallister
It's getting amusing seeing just how much I disagree with the book readers week after week at this point. I thoroughly loved this week's episode and when it ended I said to my wife that this may have been my favorite episode of the series.
It's getting amusing seeing just how much I disagree with the book readers week after week at this point. I thoroughly loved this week's episode and when it ended I said to my wife that this may have been my favorite episode of the series.
It's getting amusing seeing just how much I disagree with the book readers week after week at this point. I thoroughly loved this week's episode and when it ended I said to my wife that this may have been my favorite episode of the series.
I still want to know who the bloke who looked like Nicolas Cage with Bell's Palsy was.
I have no idea who you're referring to offhand.
My only guesses could be one of the Frey kids or Aerys
The guy they brought out at the end of the scene with Walder Frey.
I have no idea who any of those people are.
Catelyn Tully Stark. Her family, since she married into the Stark nameOh yeah, her I remember.
I think the greyjoy fleet is going to transport the dothraki across the sea
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
I felt like this past episode was a build up of some serious excrement about to happen in the final few episodes. Dany is about to get the freak out of the east. Arya is on a mission. Bran & Uncle Benjen are likely headed to the wall, as well as Sam who has that new Valyrian Steel dildo at his disposal. Jon & Sansa will join forces with the Vale and remaining northern houses who pledge allegiance to the Starks.
I may not have those details sorted but going by past series episodes 8 and 9 have historically been really intense in this show (9 especially).
Overall though, episode was good not great
I wonder if the major war episode will be the retaking of the north by the Starks
Margery is doing some next level manipulation with Tommen and the HS, right? Does anyone think she actually got brainwashed?
I don't think she's brainwashed.
i think she's doing what she can to excrement on Cercei, which would include manipulating Tommen.
Pretty much but she also fucked over the Queen of Thorns and her doofus Dad.
It was a good episode. Most people, book readers included, thought so.
But I'm pretty sure you're the only one I've seen call it their GOAT.
There's almost nothing that book readers could say about this episode. I haven't seen major complaints about anything even relevant to the books. I think you're just inventing reasons to oppose book readers by now.
I imagine most have already tuned you out at this point.
Margery is doing some next level manipulation with Tommen and the HS, right? Does anyone think she actually got brainwashed?
I've been rewatching the show while sitting around with the baby because I'm such an awesome dad. I missed so many characters who eventually become important in the first season. Renly was on the small council and excrement!? Lancel was Roberts bitch boy. Loras beats some lame derriere version of the mountain in jousting? So much excrement I forgot or missed.Sounds to me like your building up to the Loras shaving Renly scene.
Sounds to me like your building up to the Loras shaving Renly scene.
I've been rewatching the show while sitting around with the baby because I'm such an awesome dad. I missed so many characters who eventually become important in the first season. Renly was on the small council and excrement!? Lancel was Roberts bitch boy. Loras beats some lame derriere version of the mountain in jousting? So much excrement I forgot or missed.
Sounds to me like your building up to the Loras shaving Renly scene.
I'm up to season 3 right now. Don't remember that scene so must have been walking in circles with my crying daughter at that time haha.
I think that was S1.
Get Hype!!!!freaking hate this saying
Loved this episode.
The Hound is dead, but Sandor Clegane is alive. And his wood chopping technique is not great.
McShane nailed his role. His little sermon was good, not as good as the broken man monologue in AFFC, but it stood up well on its own and I prefer that to them butchering a great monologue with unnecessary changes.
Looks like the Brotherhood Without Banners has gone off the rails. I wonder who's leading them.
Where are Yara and Theon? I wanted to say Braavos when they first showed where they were docked but the guy in the other scene said the Ironborn were in Slavers Bay. We know they aren't in Meereen yet so they would narrow it down to Yunkai or Astapor if he's right about where they are. Maybe he's wrong and they're in Volantis or something. Doesn't really matter since their ships seem to have warp drive and they'll be wherever the plot requires them to be.
I wanted to see Yara fingerblast that prostitute.
Lyanna Mormont was badass.
Disappointing they couldn't get House Glover on board, but I guess they needed to show someone refusing. They're not done recruiting.
Looks like Sansa realized she needed Littlefinger to bring the knights of the Vale into the fold.
Blackfish was great.
Good to see them keep the scene with Jaime's bitch slap almost verbatim from the books. Also good to see them use the word trebuchet.
Another episode without Tyrion. I shouldn't be that surprised since he doesn't have much to do right now besides wait for Dany.
Arya noooooooooooo what the freak is she gonna do
McShane nailed his role. His little sermon was good, not as good as the broken man monologue in AFFC, but it stood up well on its own and I prefer that to them butchering a great monologue with unnecessary changes.
Yara knows her way around a pair of funbags
How many times did you rewind to jerk it?
Fair enough.
On a different note. I'm going to guess that Sansa's rabens were destined for the Flints, Wulls, Norreys and other mountain clans in the North. Taking over from the Stannis plot line in A Dance with Dragons.
Is this season just going to go ahead and confirm all of the fan theories? Because that Azor Ahai onr is going to be a bitch with 30-40 of the main characters being the subject of that one.
Curveball theory: Daenarys was born at the Tower of Joy, not Jon Snow.
I honestly think this is my favorite season of Thrones.
I'm actually surprised, given how they've handled other "death" scenes in the past that they showed Arya come up out of the water.
I hope Theon and Yara beat Uncle Kinslayer to Danys and then come back for some vengeance.
What happens when the Hound catches up with Arya?
I honestly think this is my favorite season of Thrones.Arya has to live otherwise her entire story these past seasons was wasted filler
I'm actually surprised, given how they've handled other "death" scenes in the past that they showed Arya come up out of the water.
I hope Theon and Yara beat Uncle Kinslayer to Danys and then come back for some vengeance.
What happens when the Hound catches up with Arya?
Arya has to live otherwise her entire story these past seasons was wasted filler
Yes very similar to Jon, if she dies that would be the biggest waste. Anyway, I think Arya is the one character GRRM has to keep alive because if he kills her, his wife is going to kill him.I heard that but the books and show are split at this point so idk if HBO is at the mercy of George's wife
He's not looking for Arya right now. He's headed for Kings Landing after dealing with the Brotherhood.
I heard that but the books and show are split at this point so idk if HBO is at the mercy of George's wife
Bastard bowl will probably be all or almost all of episode 9. Does 10 end with Cleganebowl or does the hype continue until next season?
If arya was going to die such a pointless narrative death they could have done it 2 year ago or skipped her for a season like.with Bran. No way she died like that
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He's not looking for Arya right now. He's headed for Kings Landing after dealing with the Brotherhood.
I know many of us want to believe he's headed for KL but they haven't established a motivation for him to do so yet.
How's that dany theory work?
There are some pretty far out theories about Arya right now. I dismissed it all pretty quickly but part of me is starting to come around on some of it.
Looks like the Brotherhood Without Banners has gone off the rails. I wonder who's leading them.
There are some pretty far out theories about Arya right now. I dismissed it all pretty quickly but part of me is starting to come around on some of it.i just saw one I liked.
I haven't seen any of them but I imagine she steals someone's face/identity that's important?
No. It's more of a psychological aspect.
Is this the fight club theory?
Yes
I like the fight club theory, but something was off about that scene. Why didn't she have needle? Why was she strutting around town in broad daylight having a loud conversation about her escape plan when she knows she's being hunted? Then she just goes to hang out on the bridge and enjoy the view? It seemed like a set up to me.
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4mxp1n/spoilers_everything_clue_to_the_disputed_identity/
Boom
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4mxp1n/spoilers_everything_clue_to_the_disputed_identity/
Boom
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4mxp1n/spoilers_everything_clue_to_the_disputed_identity/
Boom
I wonder what's going to happen when Brienne arrives at Riverrun. She's been tasked with recruiting the Blackfish and she has ties with Jamie.
I hope she tells the Freys that Ramsay killed Walda Frey, which could end up brokering a truce between the Tullys and the Freys.
I would think that would never ever happen but if it did it would be monumentally bad writing as there's no coming back from the Red Wedding for any of the Frey's. Blackfish's personality would never ever in million yearsallow him to break bread with Walder Frey or any of his offspring that were involved in the RW.
the whole righty vs lefty thing doesnt really do it for me, but I just think her whole attitude and character were completely off. That was the biggest tell for me. She was acting like she didnt have a care in the world and as if she wanted the attention/to be found.
I think the theory of it being Jaqen is more likely than the fight club one.
If the righty-lefty thing is accidental, that script supervisor should never work again.
Why, because she tossed and picked up a bag of coins with her non-dominant hand? Idk, if she did something more involved I could see it.
She's not going to pick up a bag of coins discretely will reaching across her body and walking forward. That would be a pretty awkward movement, especially considering the context of the scene.
What's the fight club theory ? Arya is a dual personality?
If that's case, meh.
Did you guys see this.
http://brobible.com/entertainment/article/what-sansas-letter-said-game-of-thrones/
There's no confirmation she actually sent it yet. We all know that she probably didn't and will send it later so the Vale can ride in at the last minute after Tormand, Wun Wun etc. have been killed and save them all. After all, they need to dramatize this as much as possible.
There's no confirmation she actually sent it yet. We all know that she probably didn't and will send it later so the Vale can ride in at the last minute after Tormand, Wun Wun etc. have been killed and save them all. After all, they need to dramatize this as much as possible.
I have a gut feeling they won't do this. They've already done it basically twice at Blackwater and the Wall.
Uncle Benjen is going to save everyone first.... leaving the Vale army rendered useless.
Tormund won't die, his hotel commercials are just taking off.
The only non-fantastical explanation where Arya lives is if she bumps into the actress (the closest thing she has to a friend right now) and she helps her get immediate medical attention. And even that would be pretty unlikely, to survive those wounds which are now full of canal water.
I have a gut feeling they won't do this. They've already done it basically twice at Blackwater and the Wall.
What if it was a bladder filled with blood and Arya wasn't badly injured; she just appeared to be?
But multiple people have "come back to life" already too and it doesn't seem to stop happening. Maybe Martin just repeats the same things over and over?
By come back to life, I mean besides Jon didn't Catelyn Stark come "back" in the books? And we've now seen multiple people who could've been dead not be (Hound, Arya, Mountain, Tyrion). I wouldn't be shocked to see people like Hodor or Stannis come back at some point too. (Not that I'd like or agree with that, but it may just be a part of Martin's storytelling.)
My point was just that Martin uses the same tropes repeatedly. That was the only thing to take out of the "comparison" point.
I said I wouldn't like it either, but whether we like something or not is irrelevant. The point remains that Martin repeatedly re-uses tropes, so it wouldn't be a stretch that he'd do it again with another "Calvary saves the day."
We're definitely going to see that trope again involving Daenerys at least once. She's going to ride back into town with a large Dothraki following and show some slavers their own entrails. We may see it helping her when Yara and Theon arrive with their ships. Maybe she helps Jon fight back WWs too.
It seems like too much TV time was spent on Littlefinger setting himself up to ride in on a white horse for it not to happen.
And I'm not sure why Arya using parlor tricks to appear dead to her stalker is lame non-fantastical writing. It seems fairly clever to me. Personally I'll be disappointed if Martin uses the fight club theory. To me, that seems like lazy writing.
Martin has little to no influence over the show now. He wouldn't be using the trope at all if it showed up again.
What other way can you play a battle with some drama? For all the intricacies and strategy you don't often hear of a battle where one side went down early and then makes a comeback after. Especially when the side that needs to win is already starting with less men.
Possible points of interest:
-Boss Fight: Jon v Ramsay
-Hostage Rickon Stark
-Betrayal among one or both sides
-A freaking giant
Martin has little to no influence over the show now. He wouldn't be using the trope at all if it showed up again.
Possible points of interest:
-Boss Fight: Jon v Ramsay
-Hostage Rickon Stark
-Betrayal among one or both sides
-A freaking giant
Is Ramsay even a decent fighter? We know Jon is great with a sword, but I dont remember anything about Ramsay.
I can't believe that the storylines have no reflection of what is coming in the future books. Obviously I don't know, but has any battle or event on the show not played out like it did in the books (apart from the times D&D merged or changed a character to do something someone else did)?
Obviously all that needs to happen but the overall battle will be given drama as well I would think. They aren't just going to have one side stomp the other from beginning to end.
There has to be a turning point or climactic moment, but that doesn't limit them to "here comes X to save the day."Based on your logic...Vargo Hoat will return to save the day.
Some people have made some very good points that we have to remember Littlefinger is shady as freak. Even if he shows up in the nick of time he might have unexpected motives.
My general rule for the story is if the viewers know the plans of the characters, those plans will not work, at least not as expected. We never get someone saying exactly what they're going to do and then seeing them do it as planned.
What other way can you play a battle with some drama? For all the intricacies and strategy you don't often hear of a battle where one side went down early and then makes a comeback. Especially when the side that needs to win is already starting with less men.
He shouldn't be, but the show has been kind of ridiculous with his skills/success.For 3+ seasons they have tried to make that psychopath the ultimate badass with all the torture porn and incidents you mention. He is such an uninteresting character to me, but the way they changed the Sansa storyline, they wrote themselves into Ramsey's corner. Especially, when Roose would have been an immensely more interesting and cunning villain.
Chasing off the "best killers on the Iron Islands" with a bunch of dogs while shirtless, sneaking into Stannis's camp with twenty men undetected and burning all their supplies, etc. The show has made him pretty much unbeatable at everything he attempts.
What other way can you play a battle with some drama? For all the intricacies and strategy you don't often hear of a battle where one side went down early and then makes a comeback. Especially when the side that needs to win is already starting with less men.
For 3+ seasons they have tried to make that psychopath the ultimate badass with all the torture porn and incidents you mention. He is such an uninteresting character to me, but the way they changed the Sansa storyline, they wrote themselves into Ramsey's corner. Especially, when Roose would have been an immensely more interesting and cunning villain.
I am completely sick of the dude, which probably means Ramsey will escape death and become a live colonel in the white walker army.
I just realized how underwood existed Roose's death has been as a freak up. Such a lame way to go.
Auto correction gets you too. Lol
I just realized how underrated Roose's death has been as a freak up. Such a lame way to go.
100% guaranteed that Stannis will not march up to Winterfell limp-dicked shortly after burning his daughter alive.
There has to be a turning point or climactic moment, but that doesn't limit them to "here comes X to save the day."
Some people have made some very good points that we have to remember Littlefinger is shady as freak. Even if he shows up in the nick of time he might have unexpected motives.
My general rule for the story is if the viewers know the plans of the characters, those plans will not work, at least not as expected. We never get someone saying exactly what they're going to do and then seeing them do it as planned.
We still haven't seen him actually dead. (Only half-serious.)
Okay, here's an admittedly ridiculous theory so don't bother kicking me in the derriere for it. If you read it, don't start shitting on me.
What if the old gods are real? Further, what if some of the characters on the show are the old gods incarnate? The most significant examples I can think of would be High Sparrow, Jaqen, Ramsey, and Littlefinger.
The Sparrow is spreading his message without resorting to using supernatural power. However, Jaqen has already showed us his face changes. As discussed above, Ramsey seems to be a lot more powerful than he should be. As for Littlefinger, it would tie out with his seeming ability to be anywhere he needs to be--or nowhere at all--at any given time.
Again, it's a wild theory and likely not even close to the truth, but whatever. I've thought about it as a possibility for a while now, and figured I'd write it down.
I actually saw someone else put up that theory with one character representing each of the 7 gods. It's a decent theory but I hope it isn't something that actually happens. Pretty much no way to pull it off effectively. The outrage would be worse than the aftermath of LOST.
I get what you're saying but there's a few different religions in play here. northerners worship the old gods. High sparrow follows the faith of the 7 (new gods). The red woman workships the lord of light, the iron born the drowned God, Jaqen serves the many-faced God, ect.
Yeah, like I said it was a pretty ridiculous theory, but what the hell, I figured I'd just post it. Who knows, maybe I'll be the next "Hold the elevator door" guy? I don't know who would match up with which god though (unless the "real" gods are actually nothing that is actually worshiped in Westeros, i.e. not actually "The Seven.")
I wonder if it could be pulled off though. I've seen it done in literature before, so who knows?
EDIT:
Yeah. See above. The only explanation that would make it work would be if the "real" gods were actually nothing like what is actively worshiped.
Oh, there's plenty of pious sons of bitches who think they know the word of god or gods. I don't. I don't even know their real names. Maybe it is the Seven. Or maybe it's the old gods. Or maybe it's the Lord of Light. Or maybe they're all the same freaking thing. I don't know. What matters, I believe, is that there's something greater than us.-Brother Ray
Brienne says he's dead. He's dead.
rumors of Lady Stoneheart showing up in the finale are heating up.
source
http://www.tvguide.com/news/game-of-thrones-lady-stoneheart-season-6-finale/
Not reading that link until I get home, but there have been some hints dropped this season:
-direct references to her death at the RW
-mentions of the BWB followed by their appearance
-BWB is now hanging people just because
http://hellogiggles.com/tommen-baratheon-is-martyn-lannister/
That was mentioned by people a few years ago.
100% guaranteed that Stannis will not march up to Winterfell limp-dicked shortly after burning his daughter alive.
I remember reading something where Martin mentions that both Shireen and Sylese don't survive this.
http://www.tvguide.com/news/game-of-thrones-lady-stoneheart-season-6-finale/
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Syrio Forel return?
I think objectively you can say that's the worst episode of the series.
But most people will forget about it next week with the battle.
I will say that after Jamies talk with Edwin Muir
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I just want to know if dcm knows who Edwin Muir is
the show could've done so much more with the Blackfish...what a waste.
Why not show Arya killing the Waif?
Well, she turned out the lights. Not much to see.
I highly doubt blackfish is dead.
7 days till bastard bowl. Can't wait.
I think Blackfish is alive
Last few episodes have been among the worst the series has had to offer. I have no doubt it's leading to something great, but it's taking a while to get there.
You invest all this time into Arya vs the Waif, and you kill her off screen? The whole storyline just seems like there should be something more there, but instead, it appears pretty disappointing.
Blackfish being killed off screen wasn't as disappointing because as a non-book reader, less time and effort has been put into him in the show.
At least the Hound is smashing things. I didn't care about the Ian McShane storyline whatsoever, but I do like the character.
Just a thought back to the fight club theory... Arya only brought back one face. Perhaps she killed the actress when she was high as freak on pure opium?
I'm happy that the stupid 'GET HYPE' movement got fucked in the derriere
The Arya storyline is ridiculous.
1.Be completely dead to rights and in a defenseless position, get shanked a few times, and then fall in the water.
2.Somehow walk in broad daylight without being followed, collapse in the house of the woman she just happened to save the episode before.
3.Get patched up and fall asleep for like 6 hours, and then miraculously wake up when the Waif shows up and have enough energy to sprint through the streets
4.Make a shitty prolonged rip off of the Uncharted 3 "baby Nathan Drake" Cartagena scene
5.The Waifenator is only thwarted by a bunch apples following on the steps. Nevermind she was clearly intending on killing her the whole time with other people around.
the reveal at the end jolted enough emotional energy to make you feel not as shitty about it, but that's purely by the nature of being a reveal.
Also, time to fire the script supervisor.
This season has been very enjoyable. This is the first episode I'm full on disappointed in. It just felt like all the build up was done and these last 3 episodes would be epic with the extra running time being to squeeze in every last drop of story. Instead we got the long drawn out scene before Dany burst in the door. I actually was amused my tyrion trying to joke with them but it just wasn't what I was wanting at this point in the season.
the scene with Tyrion trying to stroke their sense of humor was annoying and unnecessary. I hope his story arc starts to pick up.
Yeah, such a waste. I can't see what positive that possibly lends to Greyworm or Missandei.
Where is Varys headed?
"We need friends in Westeros, and we need ships."
They also drop some heavy foreshadowing that Varys and Tyrion might not be reunited
Where is Varys headed?
"We need friends in Westeros, and we need ships."
They also drop some heavy foreshadowing that Varys and Tyrion might not be reunited
The entire arc was unnecessary
I feel like you can say that about 75% of this show. It's a perfectly fine way to pass an hour but that's about all. When it's all over and done with it's not passing into the annals of the classics.
I feel like you can say that about 75% of this show. It's a perfectly fine way to pass an hour but that's about all. When it's all over and done with it's not passing into the annals of the classics.
You've said multiple times you watch it for funbags and Dragons, which means you've essentially given up on following characters and the minutia of the lore.
I don't know how you feel comfortable making a sweeping, critical assessment while acknowledging your own sensibilities and way you experience the show are different from others.
It's almost like people have differing views on the show. Who ever heard of such a thing?
The general view on this forum leans more towards immersion in the lore, but that's not the case on a couple of other forums I read. It's allowable, I think, to consider that there is a range of views. Personally I'm still enjoying the show, but it's quite flawed in many ways. In fact, it seems that almost everyone has their criticisms, they're just different ones.
You're talking about something being classic or not, and you're coming from a position of generally "who gives a excrement", which doesn't lend much credibility to that position.
I assume that's why Iggy just saved time and said "You're wrong."
When your view is dissenting from both the general population and most critical bodies, you should realize it's either
a.) not your cup of tea, and that comes from own bias
or
b.) Come up with a very strong argument to counter.
It's almost like people have differing views on the show. Who ever heard of such a thing?
The general view on this forum leans more towards immersion in the lore, but that's not the case on a couple of other forums I read. It's allowable, I think, to consider that there is a range of views. Personally I'm still enjoying the show, but it's quite flawed in many ways. In fact, it seems that almost everyone has their criticisms, they're just different ones.
What's the view of Nirvana fans?
What's the view of Nirvana fans?
Yes it's flawed, but what show out there is better? Just curious because I'm missing out if there is one.
I'm not sure that my view is that dissenting. I'm generally enjoying it, but it's flawed. That seems to be a fairly commonly held view, even if the perceived flaws vary.
YMMV, obviously.
Banshee
One of the things I think the people obsessed with lore could understand is that the majority of the audience is like JE so the plot can't get as deep as they would want it to be.
An example is last week a ton of people were saying the person who got stabbed wasn't Arya but we actually saw the real Arya walk past fake get stabbed in the stomach Arya and there were screen caps and comparisons to her attire in previous episodes. That was never going to be the direction it went because you can't communicate all those moving parts to the audience easily unless they want to go to forums to look at screen caps.
Game of Thrones is a victim of its own standard of excellence, both as a series and adaption into a TV show.
Much of the criticism levied stems from inconsistencies within its own lore, which is a byproduct of working on an unfinished series and having to rearrange pieces all while adhering to a very strict production schedule over so many years. I can't imagine the level of fatigue involved from 6-7 years of doing this show.
The first 4 seasons were some of the best we've seen on television, in terms of scale, production and adaptation of such a detailed story. The Stannis character assassination and some other details were annoying, but hardly show breaking. The greatest criticisms, quite a few valid, have been during the last two years, and that's more likely to stand out to the average person, not thinking about body of work and context etc, because it's more recent and vocal.
One of the things I think the people obsessed with lore could understand is that the majority of the audience is like JE so the plot can't get as deep as they would want it to be.
An example is last week a ton of people were saying the person who got stabbed wasn't Arya but we actually saw the real Arya walk past fake get stabbed in the stomach Arya and there were screen caps and comparisons to her attire in previous episodes. That was never going to be the direction it went because you can't communicate all those moving parts to the audience easily unless they want to go to forums to look at screen caps.
People who don't read the books will ask their book reader friends questions, or have conversations with other TV only watchers to find out what's going on. I think there is a very OCD component to most people watching. You're either immersed in it or not. Thing is, I think a lot of people who are not immersed in it just decide to not watch it all together. It's not a show you can pick up and watch out of order, and not necessarily one that holds your hand. This is more about odd viewing habits for JE than anything else.
The show gained so much popularity in part because many people after the first season or two (myself included), decided to read the books because they didn't wait to wait 3-4 years to see what happens. The books had a huge following but I never heard of them before the show.
http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4ofl2e/spoilers_everything_with_botb_looming_reminder_of/
"battle of the bastards" took 25 days to shoot
... 86 hours of footage was filmed.
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Jon "Kevin Youkilis" Snow
ugh,you've been hanging around New Englanders too much.
you can feel the awful
I am a new englander. Hence the awful
Bronn:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NAcGUpQJsjQ
Sportscenter just had a segment about the conflict between watching Game 7 and Game of Thrones tonight and all I could think was "Who would choose basketball?"
If you're delaying one anyway, what fan wouldn't watch GoT and then resume the game after?
I'm watching Game 7 and then GoT
Live sports over television series
I thought you were a big GoT fan, but I guess not.
I prefer potentially historical live sports moments over taped TV shows that I can watch whenever I want.
I'm watching Game 7 and then GoT
Live sports over television series
You guys have misplaced your HYPE.
Pope especially needs to get his hype sorted out.
Like Jon Snow, Clay Snow and Steph Snow are going to have epic battles tonight.
a little gnome needs to jump out of the screen and punch you in the face for this
NBA Championship is coming.Which team is the NBA going to rig to win the title? Stay tuned.
freak it, I'm watching this live.
freak it, I'm watching this live.Yeah same. At most I'll miss end of 2nd, halftime, and start of 3rd
Don't give a freak that episode was awesome even if the main points were predictable.Agreed. Battle was awesome. The Knights of the Vale part was expected but that didn't ruin how great that was overall
Agreed. Battle was awesome. The Knights of the Vale part was expected but that didn't ruin how great that was overall
No chance someone asks Mel to save Reckon?
Don't give a freak that episode was awesome even if the main points were predictable.
Don't give a freak that episode was awesome even if the main points were predictable.
Instead of the Knights of the Vale I was hoping that Winter would come, and all the dead in the battle would start to turn into White Walkers/undead. And the show would take an incredibly dark turn next season and really shake things up. After all theres only 2 seasons left, gotta move the story along
freak Rickon for not running serpentine.
I was yelling that. You're asking to get used as target practice running in a straight line
I mean someone could ask her sure.
But shes made it abundantly clear that she doesn't have the power to bring people back, the Lord Of Light does.
And I cant imagine there being any purpose whatsoever for them to bring Rickon back
I just liked how they took away any doubt of what would happen with Jon's line earlier about him being a dead man. No surprises here.
It was a really satisfying episode, but my favourite scene was Dany and Yara.
It was a really satisfying episode, but my favourite scene was Dany and Yara.
That was a great moment. I also love that Tyrion plays no games with Dany. That's a very underrated aspect. I think she's the one person in the world he has honest respect for.
But they weren't naked.
No more Ramsey, thank the freaking Lord.
do not speak like that of Ultimate "Who Needs Armor?" Giant Killing Warrior Marksman
Not yet. I have hope that Yara will be a butterface, she looked all right from behind in relatively tight pants in that scene but she really does have a face like a smacked arse.
That girl would freak you...
And you would like it.
Are you speaking for JE now?
by his tone he's speaking for women
"I Know Ramsey though!!!! Nobody listens to meee!!"She'll have to suck Littlefinger's dick in the season finale.
"Ok, what should the plan be?"
"I don't know!"
"Btw Ramsey will try to trick you so look out for that."
Sansa sucks, way to keep Jon Snow completely in the dark and almost get him killed. Great strategy
That girl would freak you...
And you would like it.
Did Lady Mormont survive and how many episodes will focus solely on her over the next 2 seasons?
Did Lady Mormont survive and how many episodes will focus solely on her over the next 2 seasons?
Yara's got a great derriere.
Google Images on Gemma Whelan. You have to try quite hard to find a decent picture of her. She doesn't scrub up very well.
Yara prob has a dick tbh
And exactly who on this site will that stop?I'm into that stuff just gauging interest
I'm into that stuff just gauging interest
https://streamable.com/pfnz
This might be the best episode of the series
Totally made up for this season generally not being up to their usual level of quality
Im not sure anyone could have seen what happened in Kings Landing coming.
I felt like it made Margaery's fake faith storyline kind of a waste.
This set so much excrement up for the next season, that it's gotta be one of the more epic starts to a season coming up
Pretty sure Dany's first obstacle will be Euron's fleet meeting her in the middle of the sea. Unless he decides to stop at Oldtown to freak excrement up first.
I didn't see it that way.
Margaery was exactly where she wanted to be... and it led to her death. She thought she won, but Cersei owned her.
Will he even have a fleet at that point?
I can't imagine that happening, it seems like it would be too awkward and would make any sort of sit down or dialog between the factions too complicated (everyone being on ships and what not)
This might be the best episode of the series
Do you think they'd just stay on their respective ships and yell across the water...?
Realistically, Euron should not have the fleet of 1,000 ships he ordered by then but the show has consistently waved away those kinds of constraints.
This episode was awesome... Im not sure anyone could have seen what happened in Kings Landing coming. Arya having her vengeance kind of made her shitty story line worth it. freak off little finger. Jon Snow, King of the North.
Damn, those last two episodes were freaking great.
Did any non book readers on here not know Jon's heritage before tonight? I can't remember if it was discussed.
That was freaking awesome. Found myself cheering for Cersei, which I would never have imagined.
2. The Davos/Melisandre part was poorly conceived, in my opinion. Weird time for Davos to confront Meli about Shireen, especially considering she resurrected Jon Snow and they had been around each other for so long. The burning of Shireen would have gotten back to them in some way or another. I'm guessing this was just a "shoe away" scene since this is a loose end from the Stannis character butchering. This was the only scene of the entire episode where I had pause and said "meh".
Does anyone left in Westeros have a legitimate claim to the iron throne? Gendry? Jon Snow?
The Lannisters also have a ton of cousins, etc. I'm not sure the same can be said of the Starks. The one thing I'll say for the Martells is that bastards have a much higher standing there than they do elsewhere.
Frey and Tyrell also have additional family members, but I'm not sure if any are actually part of the show's world.
Does anyone left in Westeros have a legitimate claim to the iron throne? Gendry? Jon Snow?
I've talked repeatedly this year about how this has been my favorite season. I had faith that the episodes many disliked were setting something big up. This week was all payoff. There's not even a question this was the best episode of the series. What a two week season ender!
The bombing was mentioned on here somewhere previously because as soon as that guy got stabbed and I saw the barrels I said to my son "Oh excrement! Things 'bout to go BOOM!"
I didn't see Tommen's suicide coming. Clearly neither did Cersei. I agree that Margaery was right where she was supposed to be. She was there to protect her brother--as in vain as that turned out to be. It set up the Queen of Thorns vengeance storyline though.
Which ties into the Dorne story. I know people felt Dorne was thrown away, but I really like how the sand snakes have positioned themselves perfectly with Dany's faction. I see people complaining about Varys' teleporting, but I think at this point the show has done it enough now that we should no longer assume teleportation, just that a lot of these storylines are happening simultaneously--even in different weeks--and people are moving around normally.
The closing fleet shot was one of my favorite moments in the show's history. I was literally "Oh excrement!"ing out loud.
Arya's Red Wedding vengeance was fantastic and my favorite scene of the episode. Jaime better watch his derriere though. Bronn warned him she was smiling at him. That was a weird scene between him and Cersei at the coronation though. Is he finally going to tire of Cersei's machinations since they always wind up failing?
It doesn't matter. Soon the true and rightful king will lead the charge against the dead. D&D made sure there was no question who that baby was. Not that it mattered once little Lady Mormont made yet another incredible speech. Also, I didn't realize until now, but Jorah and Lyanna are cousins?
It's going to be an interesting meeting when Dany meets Jon pre-Winterwar. I'm figuring next season is all about the final game of thrones to establish Dany and Jon as the leaders of mankind, then the final season will be all out war with the white walkers.
tl;dr
Holy excrement that was an amazing episode!
Is Jamie on Aryas list?
I can't really remember back to their interactions, and whether it's known by Arya that he crippled her brother
No and no.
He's never named on her list in the books or the show.
The only people who know what happened to Bran are Jaime and Cersei, possibly Bran (didn't remember but might have relived it through greenseeing), and Tyrion (has a pretty good hunch).
There are two Brans? The six eyed raven.
This was the one episode I couldn't predict all the big moments.
freaking awesome all the way through. I was hoping Cersei was going to slip a finger in Sept Unella, because it would have "felt good."
Varys being in Dorne was awesome, and he had plenty of time to sail there since he left last episode. People and their boating schedules can freak off.
Arya will be in Winterfell next season. Should be exciting.
It was Varys being back on Dany's ship that people had a problem with. Dorne is a loooooong way from Slavers Bay.
Could he have met them somewhere in between? I have no freaking clue on the geography, but I saw someone say there were Tyrell and Martell boats in Dany's fleet, indicating they met up with her on her way to Westeros.
Could he have met them somewhere in between? I have no freaking clue on the geography, but I saw someone say there were Tyrell and Martell boats in Dany's fleet, indicating they met up with her on her way to Westeros.
Don't the Martells and the Tyrells hate each other on a level likened to the Lannisters & Starks?
My problem with Dorne is that Doran would be exactly in the same position as the Sand Snakes are now, and he'd probably side with Dany just the same. By killing off the Martells they haven't accomplished anything storywise besides making themselves unlikeable.
Where does Cersei go from here and exactly how much power does she have?
....
Without a significant shift, it seems like she has basically no power outside Kings Landing.
We also need a moment of recognition for Lady Mormont, I think.
Ah. I wasn't paying attention to the flags. That makes a ton of sense for Varys to have met up with the Martells. That could also account for the Tyrells getting there since they'd have to sail pretty far. Using that as the last scene means a whole lot of time could have passed since the other scenes.
^ are additional Zombies confirmed? I though that was just the Kingsguard. They haven't made any innuendo that Qyburn is reanimating other people unless I missed it.
Don't the Martells and the Tyrells hate each other on a level likened to the Lannisters & Starks?
But, she's growing an army of undead. I didn't realize it last night but my boss pointed out that she walked in with two additional deaders like the Mountain last night. And at this point, you have to be crazy to cross her.
^ are additional Zombies confirmed? I thought that was just the Kingsguard. They haven't made any innuendo that Qyburn is reanimating other people unless I missed it.
Yeah, I will have to go back and watch again, but I can't envision that.
^ are additional Zombies confirmed? I thought that was just the Kingsguard. They haven't made any innuendo that Qyburn is reanimating other people unless I missed it.
Could be. As I said, I didn't notice it, my boss did. Her idea was that it was the Mountain, the old guy the kids stabbed (can't recall his name), and the nun (which would be hilarious).
As for the reanimation, hasn't he been experimenting for a while now? I'd think once you figured something like that out there's no way you don't use it again. You'd also have to figure Cersei would want the extra protection with her brother out of town.
Reanimated Kingsguard Maester Pycelle is almost as bad of a theory as Benjen = Euron = Daario.
I wouldn't be shocked if there's some slow-burn reason. Personally, I don't find them unlikable to begin with, but I'd still think there is a legit end-game reason they did what they did. Also, Doran was showing himself to want to act politically against the Lannisters. Rather than diplomacy, the SS joined Danaerys because they want to take their grudge directly to King's Landing.
I just stumbled across a great point on Reddit.
Tyrion is Dany's Hand.
Myrcella was Tyrion's niece. It was his idea to send her to Dorne in the first place, in season two. The Sand Snakes poison her because they're irredeemable cunts.
Tyrion probably isn't gonna be cool with that.
Tyrion is much more practical than emotional though.
For example he was willing to let people be slaves for another 7 years for the greater good.
Perhaps he would be willing to look past it, or at the very least just have one person executed over it instead of starting an unnecessary war
Why would Dorne just fall in line? They didn't in Westerosi lore, why would they now? Precluding the treaty they just made.
Dorne told the Targaryens to freak themselves for over 200 years till presumably Elia and Rhaegar.
Dorne told the Targaryens to freak themselves for over 200 years till presumably Elia and Rhaegar.
Why would Dorne just fall in line? They didn't in Westerosi lore, why would they now? Precluding the treaty they just made.
Dorne told the Targaryens to freak themselves for over 200 years till presumably Elia and Rhaegar.
Because Dorne doesn't make any sense on the show so any of our guesses are just as valid. If we're holding that storyline to the book standard then Dorne would never have allowed them to get away with murdering the last Martells.
Not that it matters but there was at least one Targ-Martell marriage before Rhaegar and Elia.
I just stumbled across a great point on Reddit.
Tyrion is Dany's Hand.
Myrcella was Tyrion's niece. It was his idea to send her to Dorne in the first place, in season two. The Sand Snakes poison her because they're irredeemable cunts.
Tyrion probably isn't gonna be cool with that.
That's an interesting point. The only counter I'd make is: does Tyrion even care? He doesn't seem at all fond of his family other than a semi-grudging respect for Jaime. He hated Joffrey. He's no fan of Cersei. As an uncle to an innocent kid, maybe he'll be pissed, but maybe not. It'll definitely be interesting to see play out.
I still think they'll play a bigger part in the end game than being draganchow.
Tyrion was the one who sent her there when he was hand. He probably will care that a plan of his blew up like that at the very least.
Tyrion cared about Tommen and Myrcella and Jamie. That was it.
I don't remember the details, but wouldn't it have been to seal an alliance? Well, he now has an alliance, and he doesn't need to share it with the other Lannisters.
excrement, what if Jaime kills Tyrion when he realizes his brother allied with those who killed his daughter?
Tyrion knew that sending Myrcella to Dorne was dangerous. She was basically a hostage there. She was nothing more than a chess piece in his game with Cersei from what I recall.
Tyrion knew that sending Myrcella to Dorne was dangerous. She was basically a hostage there. She was nothing more than a chess piece in his game with Cersei from what I recall.
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Jetpack issue solved
Benioff and Weiss have confirmed there will be only 2 more seasons of GoT.
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a46258/game-of-thrones-bosses-confirm-two-more-seasons-before-show-ends/?src=socialflowFB
I'm not a fan of this. Unless the episodes are an hour and a half each, 7 and 6 episode seasons feel like a major letdown to me.
Edit: article implies they will be hour long episodes.
Tyrion knew that sending Myrcella to Dorne was dangerous. She was basically a hostage there. She was nothing more than a chess piece in his game with Cersei from what I recall.
“Are you utterly ignorant or simply perverse? You know as well as I that the Martells have no cause to love us.”
“The Martells have every cause to hate us. Nonetheless, I expect them to agree. Prince Doran’s grievance against House Lannister goes back only a generation, but the Dornishmen have warred against Storm’s End and Highgarden for a thousand years, and Renly has taken Dorne’s allegiance for granted. Myrcella is nine, Trystane Martell eleven. I have proposed they wed when she reaches her fourteenth year. Until such time, she would be an honored guest at Sunspear, under Prince Doran’s protection.”
“Martell is too honorable to murder a nine-year-old girl, particularly one as sweet and innocent as Myrcella. So long as he holds her he can be reasonably certain that we’ll keep faith on our side, and the terms are too rich to refuse. Myrcella is the least part of it. I’ve also offered him his sister’s killer, a council seat, some castles on the Marches…”
“Too much.” Cersei paced away from him, restless as a lioness, skirts swirling. “You’ve offered too much, and without my authority or consent.”
“This is the Prince of Dorne we are speaking of. If I’d offered less, he’d likely spit in my face.”
Whether he cared for her or not, she was clearly a chess piece.
That doesn't mean he won't eventually take revenge on the SS, but it's a 50/50 shot either way.
Game of Thrones’ Season 6 finale had revenge, hollowed monarchies, a lot of death, parentage revelations and new alliances packing its nearly 70-minute run on June 26. The David Benioff and D.B. Weiss written “The Winds of Winter” episode also had 8.89 million viewers – an all-time high for the HBO series.
the popularity of this show continues to skyrocket...if the showrunners were smart, they would explore some kind of spinoff show....perhaps they could look into making prequels (Robert's Rebellion, Mad King, the arrival of the Andals). There's still a ton of material available depending on how far back you want to go.
There's so much history with the Nights' watch alone...you could probably make a show about that.
TIL Septa Unella is somewhat hot
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There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
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His name is Jaehaerys. What kind of name is Inaudible?
The children of the corn killed that old player of the pink oboe. It's about time that old poopchute died. The difference between how Varys used them and Qybyrn is pretty funny. Now they're a freaking creepy village of the damned hit squad.
Have you finished ADWD yet? That scene was inspired by a similar one in the epilogue.
What the freak? Mark Mylod?
They better have a good excuse for not having Sapochnik back. Is he directing a movie?
http://deadline.com/2016/06/game-of-thrones-season-6-finale-david-benioff-d-b-weiss-hbo-1201780242/
I read somewhere he is working for Marvel on a couple of projects but not sure how accurate that is. With his track record for battle/action scenes there is no way a major studio isn't snapping him up.
Mylod directed the arguably worst episode of the season, episode 8. I read there were rumblings he was the one that made the Arya sequences look odd, I have no link for that either.
Whoever transcribed that needs to be fired.
Seems like he's attached to a Netflix series.
We don’t have an air date yet, but this year will probably be a little later.
We’re starting a bit later because at the end of this season, ‘winter is here’ – and that means that sunny weather doesn’t really serve our purposes any more.
So we kind of pushed everything down the line, so we could get some grim grey weather even in the sunnier places that we shoot.
Article says it could air closer to Fall than Spring
Going up against the NFL would be stupid.
NFL doesn't have dragons though
http://watchersonthewall.com/hbo-confirms-seven-episode-season-7-game-thrones-airing-next-summer/
100% also.
The Direwolves and Hand maidens required about a half second pause, but they were pretty easy to figure out based on the picture.
Angela Lansbury is in talks for a guest role in season 7.Veto
#GetHype
Veto
Then there’s the popular HBO show Game of Thrones, which is reportedly interested in bringing in McGregor for a cameo in one of the remaining two seasons. It remains to be seen what kind of role he would take on, but it seems to be a done deal thanks to the directors being huge UFC fans. “It’s been agreed that McGregor will appear in one of the remaining two seasons of Game of Thrones,” a source told Belfast Live. “He was headhunted as it were by HBO, as one of the Game of Thrones directors is a huge UFC fan. They believed that he would be a perfect fit for the show.”
Whaaaaaaaaaaaattthe'll be replacing the actor who plays Samwell Tarly
New season starts July 16thtoo far away
And it's only seven episodes.i heard it was 8
i heard it was 8I heard they are adding more episodes as well.
I hate that song so much. I spent much of my late teens working as a mobile DJ and at a excrement nightclub, and that song was huge at the time. Every queynte wanted it played and thought they were oh-so-freaking-clever by sitting down on the dancefloor when it came on which is THE EXACT freaking OPPOSITE OF WHAT ANY DJ WANTS.
That, and Groove Is In The Heart. If I ever hear those songs again it will be too freaking soon.
Never heard of it.You're a young 'un.
Never heard of it.You are lucky. It's one of the worst ear worms ever.
As to the new trailer. My only takeaway is the handful of fringe wannabes are left out. I think most of us assumed it would be the lion, the dragon, or by my estimation the wolf standing at the end. Perhaps banging said dragon.
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The idea of that shirt isn't bad but the execution is terrible.this
The idea of that shirt isn't bad but the execution is terrible.I actually thought it would be worse than it is.
Two months until S7 by the way.
Can't wait.
I'm about 100 pages into a Dance With Dragons. A Feast for Crows took forever to read because it was boring as freak.
Haha I warned you.
I know...I already hate you for it.
mwahh honey
stop trying to touch my peepee
Does it normally air in the summer? I can't say as I'm especially pleased about the timing. Feels like a show that belongs in the fall.it usually airs in April....but they needed to film more scenes in the cold weather for the upcoming season
Does it normally air in the summer? I can't say as I'm especially pleased about the timing. Feels like a show that belongs in the fall.
They wanted to make sure Ottawa was done playing when the new season started. The showrunners were looking out for you.
Go Sens Go
I really, really hope that Jon kills Littlefinger
I freaking love you.
I really, really hope that Jon kills Littlefinger
https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/24/15685826/game-of-thrones-season-seven-new-trailer-hbo-dragons-warSpoken softly... fuuuuuck.
let's goooo
I really, really hope that Jon kills LittlefingerDon't get the Littlefinger hate. If he was a dwarf, he would be a fan favorite.
Don't get the Littlefinger hate. If he was a dwarf, he would be a fan favorite.
With that said, yes, Sansa needs to do it.
If you could throw in an undead Viper killing the undead Mountain, I would Randy all over the place.
6 episodes in the final season. We currently have 13 left in total. I almost wish they'd have just skipped the whole year and went all-in on a final season.I think it was worked out this way to give the old man a little more time on the final book. I suppose we could have waited another year and gone with 13 episodes, but that wait would have sucked.
I think it was worked out this way to give the old man a little more time on the final book. I suppose we could have waited another year and gone with 13 episodes, but that wait would have sucked.
He has two books to go. The next book is the penultimate book not the finale.Oh sweet jesus. Nevermind then.
The hell is with ep 4?I just read the episode synopsis :
http://watchersonthewall.com/game-thrones-season-7-running-times-revealed-record-length-season-finale-included/
Episode 1: 59 minutes.
Episode 2: 59 minutes.
Episode 3: 63 minutes.
Episode 4: 50 minutes.
Episode 5: 59 minutes.
Episode 6: 71 minutes.
Episode 7: 81 minutes.
I just read the episode synopsis :Sounds reasonable. You would fit right in with writers.
The mountain gets killed while he's torturing Sir Pounce. Cersei blows Jamie while he is sitting on the Iron Throne. Jon Snow gets his poopchute licked by a wight.
Sounds reasonable. You would fit right in with writers.
Oh I forgot to add, the wight mumbles "You know nothing Jon Snow" whilst he licks his poopchute.You forgot the 17 minute monologue from one of the Sand Snakes. And not the one with elite funbags.
I am excited but will need to cut off from society from Sunday night until Monday evening when I can watch. I know I'm gonna catch a spoiler in some random derriere place anyway.
I still don't understand half of what's going on, who anyone is, what they're trying to achieve and why they're trying to achieve it, so spoilers kind of wash over me anyway. I'm basically just watching for the funbags now.
I might just let my wife go to sleep and watch it without telling her. Pretty much the entire internet is a possible spoiler the day after GOT.
I might just let my wife go to sleep and watch it without telling her. Pretty much the entire internet is a possible spoiler the day after GOT.
My wife usually watches it the next day. I've already told her she's on her own for that....
spoiler prevention > marriage duties
3 more days.
let's goooo
Just rewatched season 6 with the pizza to get her caught up. Battle of the Bastards and Winds of Winter (EPs 9+10) are among the GOAT episodes.
Forgot about the meat pie scene, the cersei Mountain/Septa scene, and that tyrion was made hand of the queen.
I really don't know what to expect for this season other than unadulterated awesome. Haven't watched a trailer yet.
Any predictions for surprise character appearances this season? Ala benjen stark re-appearing after 5 seasons of being off camera. I think he was only in the pilot episode. Or the hound.
Gendry? Nymeria?
This is my point entirely. I have no idea who any of these people are, how the hell do you follow this excrement?
Rewatch it.
freak no. I don't have the time to watch half the shows I haven't seen yet but want to, I'm not rewatching something.
Game of Thrones rewatch is better than all of those shows. Trust me. As UKK said, I enjoyed it far more the 2nd time when I had a clue what was going on with the characters, locations, and storylines. The show is far too complex to pick up everything the 1st time, you will catch hundreds of things you missed or had forgotten and will absolutely add to your enjoyment of the show.
But we all know you won't do that so now I'm wondering why the freak I just typed that out.
When Danaerys sails into Kings Landing, I hope Rime of the Ancient Mariner is playing in the background.
I see Sansa is still the worst.
freaking Ed Sheeran
I like how Cercei bitched about Tyrion supporting Danaerys, does she not remember offering a lordship to whomever brought her his head? What did she expect him to do?
They can't kill her off just yet.It's technically rape.
Lets face it, Dany has 3 dragons, basically nukes and there ain't excrement anyone in her way can do to stop her.
I was thinking, ok not not too much really, would it be creepy if Bran can warg into all the really hot broads in Westeros and have sex with himself? Is that technically masturbation?
It's technically rape.
Is Jorah a prisoner or a medical patient?
F- episode, not enough Tarly screentime
Is Jorah a prisoner or a medical patient?He's quarantined.
He's quarantined.
F- episode, not enough Tarly screentime
I leave this place for a little while and it goes to hell. I believe I answered him sufficiently, you know nothing Jon Snow.You think that top knot is fooling anyone? Bald queynte.
You think that top knot is fooling anyone? Bald queynte.
You think that top knot is fooling anyone? Bald queynte.
You think that top knot is fooling anyone? Bald queynte.
I wanted a Lady Olenna and Walda Frey sex scene.Walda or Walder?
Walda or Walder?
yes
Any predictions for surprise character appearances this season? Ala benjen stark re-appearing after 5 seasons of being off camera. I think he was only in the pilot episode. Or the hound.
Gendry? Nymeria?
Euron is so over the top it goes from being kinda laughable to amazing.They've done a better job with him this season.
I watched it while very drunk and very tired, but I'm pretty sure I didn't understand any less of what's going on than I would have done otherwise. I'm still uncertain how we went from Yara stealing the Iron Fleet and going to fight for Dany to Euron suddenly having the greatest armada the world has ever seen within the space of what seems like no more than a few months.
Also, Nathalie Emanuel's magnificent body makes up for her almost complete lack of acting talent.
They've done a better job with him this season.
It's jarring how proud you are to be ignorant of something, even it's just GOT. You just don't remember that yara and theon only stole some ships from the fleet, they were the best ships, but they were in rush and had limited support.
I find it amusing when people become so wrapped in shows like this and Breaking Bad that they can't or won't see any holes in the plot, with their only complaints (granted, loud and repeated) revolving around the same theme of "BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NONSENSICAL THAT HE WOULD BE WEARING RED SOCKS IN THAT SCENE WHEN IT'S VERY CLEAR IN THE BOOKS THAT HIS PREFERENCE FOR SOCK COLOUR IS BLUE".
I enjoy the show because it's a lot of fun, but it's a bit of a mess at times.
I'm not going to defend any legit bad parts but I would imagine the majority of the mess you are talking about would be solved by actually knowing what was happening.
..... which apparently involves reading the books, or having to rewatch something I've already watched. If a story needs a retelling for it to make sense, it probably needs telling better.
lol, yeah people not being able to remember every scene of a show 5 years later is definitely something storytellers should be hard at work on!
I find it amusing when people become so wrapped in shows like this and Breaking Bad that they can't or won't see any holes in the plot, with their only complaints (granted, loud and repeated) revolving around the same theme of "BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NONSENSICAL THAT HE WOULD BE WEARING RED SOCKS IN THAT SCENE WHEN IT'S VERY CLEAR IN THE BOOKS THAT HIS PREFERENCE FOR SOCK COLOUR IS BLUE".
I enjoy the show because it's a lot of fun, but it's a bit of a mess at times.
Breaking Bad had no plot holes. It is a perfect series.
I stopped taking JE's opinion seriously when he said True Detective was better than Breaking Bad.
S1 of True Detective was definitely better than Breaking Bad, it's one of the greatest seasons of TV I've ever seen.
lol no.
it was good...but it's not on Breaking Bad's level.
Whatever. This is a boring discussion that has been done to death.that's fine...and you're still wrong.
It's jarring how proud you are to be ignorant of something, even it's just GOT. You just don't remember that yara and theon only stole some ships from the fleet, they were the best ships, but they were in rush and had limited support.This is a perfectly sensible and accurate explanation. I don't know why people go out of their way to interpret things in a way that doesn't make sense and then complain about it.
When the Mountain and the hound fight JE is going to wonder how they got so worked up over nothing.
Breaking Bad had no plot holes. It is a perfect series.
When the Mountain and the hound fight JE is going to wonder how they got so worked up over nothing.
I find it amusing when people become so wrapped in shows like this and Breaking Bad that they can't or won't see any holes in the plot, with their only complaints (granted, loud and repeated) revolving around the same theme of "BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NONSENSICAL THAT HE WOULD BE WEARING RED SOCKS IN THAT SCENE WHEN IT'S VERY CLEAR IN THE BOOKS THAT HIS PREFERENCE FOR SOCK COLOUR IS BLUE".A transplant to canada just made a brilliant canadian reference, and I wonder if he even realized it.
I enjoy the show because it's a lot of fun, but it's a bit of a mess at times.
Missandei's funbags are a JFIF 10Her entire body is sublime.
Her entire body is sublime.
She would do in a dry spell.
Also, she apparently likes men with no rooster so you'd be in with a shout.
Also, she apparently likes men with no rooster so you'd be in with a shout.
You should find the actress that played Shea, you'd be in with a shout.
http://nypost.com/2014/04/08/meet-the-6-porn-stars-who-have-appeared-on-game-of-thrones/
So when Arya arrives at Winterfell, she's going to meet up with Sansa, rather than Jon. I don't see that going well.Yes
Is Sam going to cure Jorah or wind up sick himself?
Sam will be fine.
I figure he's far too important to die that way, but it was interesting that the maester he was speaking to mentioned that the only person who showed any promise of curing it died of it.
Who knows, maybe greyscale will turn out to be a natural defense against white walkers? It wouldn't be the first time a disease was a boon in fiction.
Jamie still gets punked even when he finally wins one.That was the confession I was waiting for. So perfectly delivered. Going to miss that bitch.
That was the confession I was waiting for. So perfectly delivered. Going to miss that bitch.
Dany saying she's the last Targarean(sp?) when there are 3 in the room was a nice touch.
Why wouldn't Jon want Dany to know that he was brought back from the dead? She seems to love crazy excrement...
#BronnSighting
They made sure to prime all the JE's of the world for the Jon is a Targaryen reveal mentioning rhaegar multiple times.. I mean they already showed it but people still don't know.
They made sure to prime all the JE's of the world for the Jon is a Targaryen reveal mentioning rhaegar multiple times.. I mean they already showed it but people still don't know.
Grey Worm is having tea at Casterly Rock. Did I miss something?
I was surprised to see Yara still alive
Im completely blanking now but when Jon first arrives at dragonstone and is walking up the front steps, he drops a line about something Targaryean and just then a dragon buzzes him. I forget the line but at the time I thought it was an obvious hint.
There was also a line, "He's not even a stark!" In reference to him being a bastard, but it had deeper meaning.
I don't think theon really gets redeemed from that.
There's also the fact that they confirmed it last year with the tower scene, lol.
No excrement. The point that they're dropping more foreshadowing this season tells me there must be more to reveal. I gotta believe that it will eventually come into play in the whole Jon/Dany storyline.
There has to be something more to Theon's story. There's no way they're spending screen time on him like last night for no reason. I think it was significant that he was told that had he tried to save Yara he wouldn't be there now.
"If you think this has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention"
I think it's literally because people don't know. There are more people who barely know all the important people's names like JE than people who know everything about everyone.
Hodor's end was awful, but heroic.
Was it, though? Wasn't Bran warging Hodor to hold the door? Or at the very least, three-eyed-raven-time-travel-brainwashed him to ho the dor.it sounds like bran was rubbin one out to Sansa getting raped by Ramsey
Either way, I think Hodor had no say in his sacrifice. freak Bran. I hope he crashes a dragon.
Was it, though? Wasn't Bran warging Hodor to hold the door? Or at the very least, three-eyed-raven-time-travel-brainwashed him to ho the dor.
Either way, I think Hodor had no say in his sacrifice. freak Bran. I hope he crashes a dragon.
it sounds like bran was rubbin one out to Sansa getting raped by Ramsey
Dany saying she's the last Targarean(sp?) when there are 3 in the room was a nice touch.
I was surprised to see Yara still aliveI'm not, Euron is a cruel bastard.
So who died last night? No one important died on-screen. We can likely safely assume Lady Olenna's time is up. Grey Worm is likely dead too. But the SS daughter isn't dead yet and that might be significant. That scene played out like a typical "villain's monologue" which never works out for the villain.
So you're assuming Grey Worm is a goner but Tyene has a chance?
#AlioLogic
Edit: The only way it would make sense for Tyene to live is if Bronn saves her, as she saved him with an antidote. But he's all the way down in Highgarden with Jaime. So unless he borrows the teleporter that Littlefinger and Euron use to jump around the continent it doesn't really work. Also, Ellaria and Tyene have no purpose left in the story (that I can think of).
So you're assuming Grey Worm is a goner but Tyene has a chance?
#AlioLogic
Edit: The only way it would make sense for Tyene to live is if Bronn saves her, as she saved him with an antidote. But he's all the way down in Highgarden with Jaime. So unless he borrows the teleporter that Littlefinger and Euron use to jump around the continent it doesn't really work. Also, Ellaria and Tyene have no purpose left in the story (that I can think of).
So you're assuming Grey Worm is a goner but Tyene has a chance?
#AlioLogic
Edit: The only way it would make sense for Tyene to live is if Bronn saves her, as she saved him with an antidote. But he's all the way down in Highgarden with Jaime. So unless he borrows the teleporter that Littlefinger and Euron use to jump around the continent it doesn't really work. Also, Ellaria and Tyene have no purpose left in the story (that I can think of).
Actually, my son pointed out to me that Grey Worm is likely okay because Casterley Rock is defensible. Also, I had forgotten Jaime mentioned to Lady Orlenna that Dany held it for now.
As for Tyene, like I said, Cersei gave the ol' villain monologue, which traditionally comes back to screw the villain. I also factored in that Cersei specifically mentioned that she had no idea how long the poison would take, and mentioned they would keep mom alive by force, if necessary, to watch her die. This show makes ample use of foreshadowing.
Also, we have no idea what the timeline is right now. Jaime already knew Grey Worm had taken Casterley Rock. You can argue that he assumed it because they left a skeleton crew to protect it, but he must have also known that Theon didn't catch him on the open sea.
All that said, I wouldn't be shocked if this was the end of the Sand Snakes, but it really pushes their entire story into irrelevance, and you'd think even if the showrunners screwed up their story, that Martin would've had more of a reason for them to exist.
Greyworm isn't dying off screen. They didn't show Ken and Barbie sex to kill him stealthily.
A couple of thoughts, did the Archmaester secretly reward Sam with rewriting those scrolls? Maybe they are old scripts that deal with the coming White Walker menace.
Also, what Cersei did to Ellaria harkens back to that speech she made to Jamie about her mother dying, decomposition and turning to dust and such, when Myrcella's body was returned to Kings Landing. She did exactly that to Ellaria and Tyene.
I think it's entirely possible they bungled the Dorne storyline and are just going to kill it off completely.
The Dorne plot in the books has greater implications than the one set up in the show.
So there was more of a plot already in the books for the Sand Snakes? Was their storyline resolved yet? Can you say anything without spoilers? (I don't care about spoilers, but others might.)
I mean, since Sam is GRRM the dude is definitely going to become a wizard. Legit magic incoming.
I can say nothing in their storyline has been resolved yet, but in the books there are more Martells and more Sand Snakes and they've put the support of Dorne behind another contender for the throne who isn't in the show.
In the books there's even a Sand Snake undercover at the Citadel where Sam is studying.
What did Bran say to little finger?...
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A little too much Winterfell fluff for such a short episode. If Bran had told Arya about Littlefinger, it would have been better.
The rest of the episode was great.
I don't think the Winterfell stuff was fluff. There's a coming rift between Sansa and her siblings, and every scene in Winterfell shows it. Bran repeating Littlefinger's words is interesting. How will Bran's knowledge of Littlefinger's machinations play out, and will Littlefinger now take that knowledge into account while playing the game?
The loot train massacre was incredible. It's going to be fun to see Cersei facing the Iron Bank now.
I actually felt bad for Tyrion. Regardless of all that's happened, the Lannisters are still his family, especially Jamie. Watching his brother's inevitable "demise" must have been a gut punch.
Hopefully, at some point, they'll be reunited. Preferably with Jamie bending his knee to Dany (doubtful).
The gold is in Kings Landing, she's ok with the Iron Bank.I thought I heard the same thing but everyone else heard otherwise apparently. I think Randyll Tarly told Jaime the gold was delivered.
I thought I heard the same thing but everyone else heard otherwise apparently. I think Randyll Tarly told Jaime the gold was delivered.
is Randyll Tarly burnt to a crisp?Good question. I rewatched the ambush and didn't see him at all.
Good question. I rewatched the ambush and didn't see him at all.
The gold is in Kings Landing, she's ok with the Iron Bank.
I thought I heard the same thing but everyone else heard otherwise apparently. I think Randyll Tarly told Jaime the gold was delivered.
How the hell did it get there?They've got limited time. Dany had to get an army over the water and through the hills to attack the harvest caravan, that takes time. The time jumps are implied.
This show with the teleportation nonsense is getting out of hand.
They've got limited time. Dany had to get an army over the water and through the hills to attack the harvest caravan, that takes time. The time jumps are implied.
How the hell did it get there?
This show with the teleportation nonsense is getting out of hand.
Anyway, looking at a recap, you guys are right, at least some of the gold is supposedly already at King's Landing. We know for sure that not all of it is though. We saw Jamie hand a bag full of it to Bronn, and the wagon it came from was piled with gold bars. There is definitely an inconsistency in the story there.
Daenerys definitely roasted troops and the grain they confiscated from the farmlands around Highgarden though. That's going to hurt Cersei, even if she can make her Iron Bank payment.
I thought I heard the same thing but everyone else heard otherwise apparently. I think Randyll Tarly told Jaime the gold was delivered.
I thought I heard the same thing but everyone else heard otherwise apparently. I think Randyll Tarly told Jaime the gold was delivered.
I think the gold had top priority. They dealt with the gold first thing in the episode if you remember. He gives Bronn the gold, locks the wagon up and it goes on it's merry way. Then Randyl and Dickhead Tarly show up and Jamie says they need to get the farmers on board with giving up their grain harvests.
So my guess is they sent the gold ahead to make sure it gets to Kings landing first. That would follow Cercei's assurances to the Iron Bank representative that the gold is on it's way. To be honest that explanation is fine to me even though it would have been really cool for Dany to intercept the gold and freak over Cercei's plans. That said:
I am glad they don't have to spoon feed travel in the show, I am not sure how great a westeros calendar and time clock would be in the corner of the screen while they waste portions of an episode on watching horses pull wagons filled with gold or ships sailing etc. etc.
I think I am ok with the show thinking the audience is smart enough to figure out time lapses happen in fantasy shows. The show would become insufferable to watch if they had to explain troop movements and travel. What next they have to answer to the " how come nobody takes a excrement in westeros, do their bodies not expel waste?" crowd.
99% of the time I have known the reason for the time jumps. I missed the part where Randyll told Jamie it was in King's Landing already, and even after being corrected I thought it was just after Jamie handed Bronn the bag of gold.
Trust me, I don't want 20 minutes of exposition every week regarding who is where, when, and why. It's just that this week's episode moved through the timeline pretty quickly and I lost track (and missed the line that the gold had already safely arrived).
I'm curious to see how the loss of the grain plays into Cersei's story. When word of this defeat reaches King's Landing, she's going to be furious; both for losing those troops and her brother (who'll be assumed dead). What's going to happen when she demands people take up arms, since they're now going to have to cut back on the food supply? Food shortages are a good way to stoke the fires of rebellion.
99% of the time I have known the reason for the time jumps. I missed the part where Randyll told Jamie it was in King's Landing already, and even after being corrected I thought it was just after Jamie handed Bronn the bag of gold.
Trust me, I don't want 20 minutes of exposition every week regarding who is where, when, and why. It's just that this week's episode moved through the timeline pretty quickly and I lost track (and missed the line that the gold had already safely arrived).
I'm curious to see how the loss of the grain plays into Cersei's story. When word of this defeat reaches King's Landing, she's going to be furious; both for losing those troops and her brother (who'll be assumed dead). What's going to happen when she demands people take up arms, since they're now going to have to cut back on the food supply? Food shortages are a good way to stoke the fires of rebellion.
I am pretty sure that was most of their standing army. They don't have an army that can withstand the Dothraki, let alone 3 dragons. If it's not the majority of her Army, Dany either killed or captured all the military leaders in one fell swoop. I guess you can say that she held serve here and again has the advantage, well at least on land. Euron still poses an immense challenge, until she figures out how to strike him with the dragons and he too will be toast.
Anyway, the one thing the writers do know is military history. I don't think Cersei has any options in a land war. She's fucked in that respect. So for now, Dany has at worst a stalemate with Cersei and at best can cut off KL from the rest of civilization. I don't actually know how they'll resolve this on the show. My guess is that Dany will capture Jamie, Bronn and the Tarly's and some kind of negotiation will take place with Dany in a big position of power.
At the beginning of the episode Cersei was talking to the banker and they discussed the Iron Bank investing in her campaign; are there any other armies out there that are available for hire?
At the beginning of the episode Cersei was talking to the banker and they discussed the Iron Bank investing in her campaign; are there any other armies out there that are available for hire?
The Golden Company in Essos was mentioned but I don't think they're big enough to alter the current landscape. That said, who knows with the show writers (not a criticism, I just don't know).
the fact dragon involvement is what Cercei's subjects were most concerned about to begin with, I'm wondering how many of her supporters will switch sides or simply take their ball and go home. ..now that her dragons' existence is confirmed.
I'm pretty sure Randyll Tarly is kicking himself now....if he's still alive.
I am pretty sure that was most of their standing army. They don't have an army that can withstand the Dothraki, let alone 3 dragons. If it's not the majority of her Army, Dany either killed or captured all the military leaders in one fell swoop. I guess you can say that she held serve here and again has the advantage, well at least on land. Euron still poses an immense challenge, until she figures out how to strike him with the dragons and he too will be toast.
Anyway, the one thing the writers do know is military history. I don't think Cersei has any options in a land war. She's fucked in that respect. So for now, Dany has at worst a stalemate with Cersei and at best can cut off KL from the rest of civilization. I don't actually know how they'll resolve this on the show. My guess is that Dany will capture Jamie, Bronn and the Tarly's and some kind of negotiation will take place with Dany in a big position of power.
The Golden Company in Essos was mentioned but I don't think they're big enough to alter the current landscape. That said, who knows with the show writers (not a criticism, I just don't know).I also don't think there's enough time to introduce them into the story and get them across the sea.
I also don't think there's enough time to introduce them into the story and get them across the sea.
Couldn't Euron's fleet handle that?Maybe if we already established they were on their way to pick them up.
Maybe if we already established they were on their way to pick them up.
Gendry will have a significant plotline before the sand snakes
Word had gone from Casterley Rock to Tyrion already, and then there was the time it took Dany to get the Dothraki to Highgarden, so there was probably enough "GoT time" to do that.Veto
We also know Cersei was already talking about it with the bank rep, so she was already in at least the planning, if not the negotiation, phase.
Word had gone from Casterley Rock to Tyrion already, and then there was the time it took Dany to get the Dothraki to Highgarden, so there was probably enough "GoT time" to do that.
We also know Cersei was already talking about it with the bank rep, so she was already in at least the planning, if not the negotiation, phase.
I thought the attack happened just outside of Kings' Landing.They didn't make it totally clear. In the first scene with the wagon train I thought we saw Highgarden in the background, but in the battle scene they're somewhere else.
Update: I checked a map of Westeros and I have no clue where they were supposed to be.
The Roseroad connects Highgarden to KL, and I imagined they ambushed them somewhere in the middle, but they would have had to go over the mountains to do that.
Geographically the only place that makes sense would be just south of KL.
"Indira Varma, who plays Ellaria, confirmed to Entertainment Weekly we wouldn't be seeing any more of her character last week after that scene with Cersei."
NOOOOO BUT WHAT HAPPENS IN DORNE
Veto
I thought the attack happened just outside of Kings' Landing.
They didn't make it totally clear. In the first scene with the wagon train I thought we saw Highgarden in the background, but in the battle scene they're somewhere else.
Thoros of Mir is going to die for the same reason the Red Woman needed to go away. There's no tension when there's unlimited continues.Someone's gotta die next week, and he's the best candidate.
Thoros of Mir is going to die for the same reason the Red Woman needed to go away. There's no tension when there's unlimited continues.But if I remember correctly from the trailers, he's on a horse all sword on fire and stuff.
So what the freak is gendrys purpose? Is he just going to do some badass hammer stuff and die or is he a dark horse in the game?You answered your own question. If he survives this little outing, he'll be forging the dragon glass weapons.
Oh excrement, does he forge light bringer when Sam shows up with his dad's sword!?
But if I remember correctly from the trailers, he's on a horse all sword on fire and stuff.I thought that was Beric.
They didn't leave with horses.
Yeah, I think book readers probably lost their excrement with the marriage being confirmed. Jon is 100% a Targaryen no ifs ands or buts.Jon had his Tyrion moment with the Dragon. We didn't really need her to keep reading.
I thought that was Beric.Too many side characters. Which is the undying guy with the eyepatch, and who was the other guy referenced?
DREAM TEAMNo kidding. Jaime would have been a nice addition.
I imagine Gendry will be needed to forge weapons out of Valyrian steel.
Too many side characters. Which is the undying guy with the eyepatch, and who was the other guy referenced?
Jon had his Tyrion moment with the Dragon. We didn't really need her to keep reading.
Did anyone else have the reveal spoiled when they showed Joe Dempsie's name in the opening credits or am the only nerd who noticed?I noticed...because Joe Dempsie's name showed up with the Baratheon sigil beside his name during the show intro.
Did anyone else have the reveal spoiled when they showed Joe Dempsie's name in the opening credits or am the only nerd who noticed?
Yeah, I think book readers probably lost their excrement with the marriage being confirmed. Jon is 100% a Targaryen no ifs ands or buts.Huh? What marriage got confirmed?
Huh? What marriage got confirmed?
I fast-forward through that bullshit.I thought I was the only one. Everything I read about the show, people go nuts over the introductions - I don't really care.
Jon had his Tyrion moment with the Dragon. We didn't really need her to keep reading.
Huh? What marriage got confirmed?
And am I going to have to be the one to point out that they're apparently going to do a brazen rip off of Seven Samurai?
Were you not paying attention when Gilly was reading to Sam?
...I guess he wasn't really paying attention either.
The whole "did you know the citadel has 15,840 windows" thing? Did I miss some vitally important line about someone we've never seen marrying someone else we've never seen?
Who the freak is the true heir at this point? Again, if you blink you miss something, but I had no freaking idea Gendry was a Baratheon bastard.
I love and hate this show at the same.
Oh, and that was a shitty way for Dickon to go out.
The guy who's had 55 seconds of screen time and 3 lines? I thought it was a very fitting way for him to go out.I thought he had potential as a UDFA.
The guy who's had 55 seconds of screen time and 3 lines? I thought it was a very fitting way for him to go out.
Any predictions for surprise character appearances this season? Ala benjen stark re-appearing after 5 seasons of being off camera. I think he was only in the pilot episode. Or the hound.
Gendry? Nymeria?
Bang, bang
Nice call.Future hand of the king? Seems fitting.
Now he's got a bad derriere warhammer.
Future hand of the king? Seems fitting.
Anyone else think Winterfell is starting to feel like a C plot? With Dany/Jon/Tyrion being the A plot and Cersei/Jaime being the B plot.
Political manipulation and scheming just feels really unimportant right now in the face of what's coming.
As of this writing, the following castles sit empty: Storm’s End (House Baratheon), Riverrun (House Tully), Casterly Rock (House Lannister), The Twins (House Frey), Highgarden (House Tyrell), Sunspear (House Martell), The Dreadfort (House Bolton), and Horn Hill (House Tarly). Two other major seats of nobility — The Eyrie (House Arryn) and Castle Pyke (House Greyjoy) — are in precarious positions as both their leadership and their armies are away, leaving them vulnerable and running on skeleton crews. Some of these castles are completely without a bloodline to inherit them, while others such as Casterly Rock and Horn Hill are simply without a lord for the moment. That means, outside of the story being told on Game of Thrones, there is a power vacuum throughout most of Westeros that none of the current monarchs are reaching to fill. On any other show, I’d say that was a costly mistake that will come back to bite them, as lesser nobles in-fighting for power will send shock waves through an already unstable political atmosphere, but Game of Thrones doesn’t seem interested in that subtlety.
Wayyy bigger plot hole than any time machine/transportation inconsistencies. Dany or Cersei aren't going to have a kingdom to rule. Which makes it painfully obvious the end game is against the night king (duh?)I don't think it's really that odd. During time of massive war, this was pretty common.
Wayyy bigger plot hole than any time machine/transportation inconsistencies. Dany or Cersei aren't going to have a kingdom to rule. Which makes it painfully obvious the end game is against the night king (duh?)
I don't think it's really that odd. During time of massive war, this was pretty common.
The winner simply names new lords and fills the vacancies. Theirs always a family heir left somewhere.
Winterfell is definitely C plot right now, but that's because the Sansa vs. Arya war hasn't started yet. I'm thinking Littlefinger is going to try to portray Arya as Jon's attack dog, and the fight will become about choosing a stable leader (Sansa) or an absent king who lets an assassin do his dirty work.
I saw people on Twitter talking about a "huge" reveal, and thought they were talking about Jon's petting the dragon. After looking it up, I was like "OH excrement!"
Reading about it showed me another "revelation" too. Cersei is never supposed to have this baby. She was only supposed to have 3, and she is supposed to die at the hand of her little brother. The question is: does that mean Tyrion or Jaime? Interestingly, they showed Jaime's reaction when she revealed she knew of the meeting he had with Tyrion, but they did not show his reaction when she told him never to betray her again.
We also have no idea what was discussed between Tyrion and Jaime, other than a temporary cease-fire.
Poor Sam left the Citadel still ignorant to his father's immolation. Does Jon know?
Its possible Cersei isn't even pregnant and is just using it to maintain control of Jamie...
I also am not sure how this rift between Arya and Sansa goes with Bran in the equation. With any rational line of thinking, you would believe that Bran would shed some truth about Little Finger setting up Arya and just Little Finger's history in general. Im hoping either Arya is playing little finger or Bran will stop any tension/rift. I think the former is less likely, because Im not sure Arya is smart enough... but why wouldn't she "wear" another face while trying to spy on someone?
Anyone else think Winterfell is starting to feel like a C plot? With Dany/Jon/Tyrion being the A plot and Cersei/Jaime being the B plot.
Political manipulation and scheming just feels really unimportant right now in the face of what's coming.
Its possible Cersei isn't even pregnant and is just using it to maintain control of Jamie...
I also am not sure how this rift between Arya and Sansa goes with Bran in the equation. With any rational line of thinking, you would believe that Bran would shed some truth about Little Finger setting up Arya and just Little Finger's history in general. Im hoping either Arya is playing little finger or Bran will stop any tension/rift. I think the former is less likely, because Im not sure Arya is smart enough... but why wouldn't she "wear" another face while trying to spy on someone?
She has to kill someone to wear a face. Who is she going to kill in Winterfell? One of those guards from last week?
The thing about Bran is that he's no longer Bran. He said as much. He doesn't care about the affairs of the throne at this point, only the White Walkers. And if neither Stark daughter has an important role to play there, he may just be letting them resolve it themselves.
As for Arya, she thought she was being slick. She didn't realize Littlefinger knew what she was up to, so she wouldn't mask her face.
I definitely don't see there being two Stark ladies left in the end.
It's almost like the storyline is going to end up being a thinly veiled allegory for "hey, we've all got to set aside our differences and tackle climate change together lest it kill us all". Whodathunkit.Game of Thrappenings
Apparently episode 6 was leaked and huge spoilers are going around the internet.
freak it. I'm watching it.
freak it. I'm watching it.
freak it. I'm watching it.
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It's lit.
dracarys yourself
If HBO is dumb enough to leak it and I pay for HBO, I'm watching that excrement.
It's almost like the storyline is going to end up being a thinly veiled allegory for "hey, we've all got to set aside our differences and tackle climate change together lest it kill us all". Whodathunkit.
I'm probably gonna download it and watch sometime before Sunday. freaking hbo go loves to buffer right at the important parts when I try to watch live.
I have never had a problem with HBO GO.
My internet isn't great so it's always borderline but pretty much any other time I watch it never skips but when everyone is on it watching GOT it slows down enough to freak me.
might be time to finally take the plunge and upgrade to high speed from a dialup modem.
lol, Time Warner Cable/Charter is just derriere. Their fastest internet in this area is still garbage. They send out a thing to upgrade to their super fast internet every 6 months and then tell me it isn't available where I live.
So close to admitting you just don't like the show.
do you live in the nearest forest?Wow UKK getting smacked down by a guy with Lewis Skolnick and Gilbert Lowe statues in his bedroom.
Wow UKK getting smacked down by a guy with Lewis Skolnick and Gilbert Lowe statues in his bedroom.
I think I've been very clear about the fact that I enjoy the show greatly as a piece of entertainment, that I think the writing is a sprawling, clumsy mess at times, and that I find it hilarious how obsessed so many people are with the most minute details.
How was it? was it worth the hype?
you must be proud of your Lamar Latrell statue.
Somewhat relatedly, I saw a review yesterday that basically complained about the same thing but then went on to say that this season sucks because they're moving too fast and wrapping too many threads up in the same episode.
I've seen this complaint as well... but there's what, like 9 hours left of the show? They already developed characters and laid the groundwork for the plot. Now it's time for the climax and things to finally come together.
I've seen this complaint as well... but there's what, like 9 hours left of the show? They already developed characters and laid the groundwork for the plot. Now it's time for the climax and things to finally come together.
Every other season the complaint was everything moving too slow. Caring about the timeline enough to mad things are happening too fast is odd to me. It's just a quirk me and the wife laugh at.
Between the 2 hour round trip from dragonstone to kings landing and the short stroll to Eastwatch you just have to chuckle and enjoy.
Every other season the complaint was everything moving too slow. Caring about the timeline enough to mad things are happening too fast is odd to me. It's just a quirk me and the wife laugh at.
Between the 2 hour round trip from dragonstone to kings landing and the short stroll to Eastwatch you just have to chuckle and enjoy.
There is a bit of good news, next seasons scripts are written and it seems they are long enough for 6 2 hour movies. So it's possible to get a short season but with more airtime. lol That's all up in the air for now.
I actually haven't had any real issues with the pacing, although I do think that uneven pacing is a problem that besets the TV industry on a regular basis due to the way that shows are commissioned.
I broke... what a freaking episode.
you must be proud of your Lamar Latrell buttplug.
I saw the first 10 minutes of the episode, it was fantastic. I had to turn it off after.
Why?
My Sunday nights are really cool
Part of me wanted to watch it too, but like Puck my Sunday nights really revolve around Game of Thrones and I don't want to spoil the experience.
It's admittedly tough though. I really can't wait to see it based on the reactions.
I'm going to wait too...nothing better to do on Sundays, and I don't want to wait longer than a week to see the finale.
That played into my decision too. Waiting the week is hard enough. I can't sit and wait longer than that.
You think the finale isn't going to leak given at least two episodes already have this season?
I'm not one to complain about the travel of the show or anything, but Gendry running all the way back to East Watch and Dany arriving from Dragonstone to save the day happened very quickly.
Now that the deadites have a dragon, they need Cersei's weapon. That plotline makes alot more sense now.
Haha, at that point I said freak it, no point in trying to rationalize the travel speed anymore.
What?
Bronn already used it and it was destroyed.
They have more than oneThank you.
Yeah pretty much, this show has become the opposite of what GRRM had in mind. It's one giant fan service. Look I enjoyed it don't get me wrong but Winterfell was meh, I wish Arya just killed them all, seriously. Sansa's a queynte, die, Littlefinger is a queynte, die, Glover? Dead..................kill'em all except Lyanna Mormont.Yes.
The time travel was a little bit over the top for me. lol. What the freak was Jon Snow thinking? Come on, it would have been just fine if he got on Drogon and got the freak out of dodge.
Gendry's Mom has to be Kenyan.
Despite all my whinging (my lips moved and I am complaining), I still liked the episode a lot, the show is a helluva lot of fun to watch. I bet Jon gets Dany to have a kid that's not a freaking Dragon, at the very least Dany's love of dragons will have Jons balls dragon on her chin.
They have more than one
Yeah pretty much, this show has become the opposite of what GRRM had in mind. It's one giant fan service. Look I enjoyed it don't get me wrong but Winterfell was meh, I wish Arya just killed them all, seriously. Sansa's a queynte, die, Littlefinger is a queynte, die, Glover? Dead..................kill'em all except Lyanna Mormont.
The time travel was a little bit over the top for me. lol. What the freak was Jon Snow thinking? Come on, it would have been just fine if he got on Drogon and got the freak out of dodge.
Gendry's Mom has to be Kenyan.
Despite all my whinging (my lips moved and I am complaining), I still liked the episode a lot, the show is a helluva lot of fun to watch. I bet Jon gets Dany to have a kid that's not a freaking Dragon, at the very least Dany's love of dragons will have Jons balls dragon on her chin.
Yeah pretty much, this show has become the opposite of what GRRM had in mind. It's one giant fan service. Look I enjoyed it don't get me wrong but Winterfell was meh, I wish Arya just killed them all, seriously. Sansa's a queynte, die, Littlefinger is a queynte, die, Glover? Dead..................kill'em all except Lyanna Mormont.
The time travel was a little bit over the top for me. lol. What the freak was Jon Snow thinking? Come on, it would have been just fine if he got on Drogon and got the freak out of dodge.
Gendry's Mom has to be Kenyan.
Despite all my whinging (my lips moved and I am complaining), I still liked the episode a lot, the show is a helluva lot of fun to watch. I bet Jon gets Dany to have a kid that's not a freaking Dragon, at the very least Dany's love of dragons will have Jons balls dragon on her chin.
No excrement, but he was acting like it was never explained.
What?Sometimes I don't even know wtf you are talking about.
Bronn already used it and it was destroyed.
Sometimes I don't even know wtf you are talking about.
They made it obvious there was more than one.
You were corrected, and you lashed out like you were doing some weird internet reverse end around.
With that said...
The 'lets bring an undead to Cersei to keep her and her nonexistent army at bay' was possibly the dumbest plotline in history, until by doing so, they got a dragon killed and now need her weapons.
Really?
If those weapons didn't work against a living dragon, I'm not sure how they're going to have any better chance of killing an undead one. It's been established that the only way to kill a white walker is with Valyrian steel or dragonglass
If only the potential Dany / Jon / Lannister alliance had access to a massive amount of dragonglass, and some method of turning it into a SAM......
Will the dead dragon breathe ice or fire? Any possibility it could melt the wall?
Sometimes I don't even know wtf you are talking about.
They made it obvious there was more than one.
You were corrected, and you lashed out like you were doing some weird internet reverse end around.
I'm assuming this is a comment on the predictability of the plot.
If those weapons didn't work against a living dragon, I'm not sure how they're going to have any better chance of killing an undead one. It's been established that the only way to kill a white walker is with Valyrian steel or dragonglass and the only way to kill a wight is via decapitation/dismemberment and/or with fire. I'm no expert (I've never read the books), but I believe that the blue eyes that the dragon exhibited are a trait only the white walkers possess, so that would mean that the dragon is a white walker (not a wight) and it can only be killed with Valyrian steel/dragonglass. Maybe they'll figure out a way to forge Cersei's weapons out of Valyrian steel or dragonglass. That could make sense from the standpoint that the latter would require Cersei and Daenerys/Jon working together.
I'm interested to see what kind of effect dragon fire would have on the undead dragon since I'm sure we're inevitably going to see a battle between it and the living dragons.
Actually when I rewatched this episode, wights are killed by being stabbed with dragonglass weapons. The big derriere bear was finally killed by a dragonglass weapon as were multiple wights during the battle on the rock.
Not really, it was a response to your statement that you are "not sure how they're going to have any better chance of killing an undead [dragon]" when it seems pretty obvious how they're going to be able to do it, given two major plot devices that we've seen appear this season (the mountain of dragonglass and Qyburn's ballista).
http://uproxx.com/sepinwall/game-of-thrones-recap-beyond-the-wall-review/
The writing has been awful but I remember everyone (here and online) complaining endlessly about Arya's plot line last year, halfway through, towards the end of the season. Then after the last episode aired it was all "OMG!!! Arya is such a badass!"
Let's give the Arya/Sansa/Littlefinger plot line one more episode until we judge, say, maybe the end of the season? There's obviously something else in play that hasn't been revealed yet.
The whole Sansa sending Brienne to Kings landing part made zero sense to me.
Littlefinger suggested she could intervene if Arya attacked her.
So she sends her away... to thwart Littlefinger? I got nothing
Or is it because she plans on killing Arya and doesn't want Brienne getting in the way?
Hey Bran:Bran asked me to tell you that you looked beautiful at the Ravens game last year.
Now would be a nice time to freaking DO SOMETHING.
Arya doesn’t have much chill these days when it comes to Sansa, which might make more sense when you remember that their dislike for each other was more than just a childish spat. On the way down to King’s Landing in season one, the Hound rides down and murders Arya’s friend the butcher’s boy after Sansa refuses to tell the truth about what happened between them and Joffrey. As a subtle reminder of this, you’ve got a butchered pig hanging behind Arya as she questions Sansa’s loyalty.
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What the heck has Bran been up to in these past few episodes? Being all weird and hanging out with the Weirwood tree, probably. But there’s a chance he’s actually around more than you’d think. If you take a closer listen to the scenes involving Sansa and Arya and Littlefinger, you’ll notice ravens squawking in the background. You could hear them repeatedly when Littlefinger tried to convince Sansa to set Brienne on Arya, and again when Sansa goes snooping through Arya’s room. Is this a sign that Bran is watching everything that’s happening?
Bran asked me to tell you that you looked beautiful at the Ravens game last year.
Man Bun
Man Bun
http://uproxx.com/tv/game-of-thrones-details-season-7-episode-6-beyond-the-wall/ (http://uproxx.com/tv/game-of-thrones-details-season-7-episode-6-beyond-the-wall/)
The Hound isn’t the only one who has seen that arrowhead-shaped mountain before. If you kept a close eye out, you would have noticed it in season six when Bran looked back in time and watched the Children of the Forest create the first White Walker.
When asked if he’d return to normal, Mirri Maz Duur declared “When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before.”
A lot of people took that for a prophecy that Dany could never have children again (Daenerys included). But Mirri Maz Duur isn’t exactly the most reliable source for truthful information. She suckered Daenerys into agreeing to a deal that would leave her with nothing specifically so she could destroy Drogo’s khalasar. Why wouldn’t she lie about this as well?
There’s also another prophecy in play: the Dosh Khaleen believed that Dany would bear The Stallion Who Mounts The World, a rough Dothraki equivalent to The Prince That Was Promised. Sure, they believed it was going to be the baby of Drogo and Daenerys. But as Melisandre has shown us, understanding prophecy properly can be a tricky business. In other words, don’t be surprised if Daenerys isn’t as barren as she thinks.
This is interesting. If Jon and Dany have a child, maybe next season is 5 episodes of post-apocalyptic Winter while the child grows into an adult that will defeat the Night King in the finale? That would be weird though. I would think the army of the dead could cover the entire continent in a few years once they breach the wall and that baby will never have a chance to grow old enough.
Maybe if Jon and Dany have a child it will be a human/dragon hybrid that can't fly and farts fire.
Maybe if Jon and Dany have a child it will be a human/dragon hybrid that can't fly and farts fire.
I was on board till the farts fire part. This is a family show.
Don't tell me your kids wouldn't love a show about a prince fighting against zombies for control of the land he stands to rule using the power of his burning farts.
I guess if I'm being honest, I would probably love that show.
Benioff and Weiss are writing it as we speak.
I'm surprised no one has called out the Hound for throwing rocks for no reason.
I'm surprised no one has called out the Hound for throwing rocks for no reason.
This is interesting. If Jon and Dany have a child, maybe next season is 5 episodes of post-apocalyptic Winter while the child grows into an adult that will defeat the Night King in the finale? That would be weird though. I would think the army of the dead could cover the entire continent in a few years once they breach the wall and that baby will never have a chance to grow old enough.
Arya is not this stupid. Sansa most definitely is. Littlefinger's dagger is key. Arya made one hell of a point to threaten Sansa with it and hand it over. Bran already knows what will happen and set this into motion with the seemingly random/weird gifting of the dagger to Arya.After last season's Arya debacle in Braavos it's not safe to assume her actions make any sense.
what
Did Sansa keep the knife? To me, it would redeem the storyline and Sansa, Arya, and Bran if Sansa winds up stabbing Littlefinger with it in the end.
I feel like Cersei is going to be thoroughly unimpressed by this wight when she's been rolling around with zombie mountain for the past few seasons
As far as I know, yes. I really doubt that Arya just left that bag of faces hanging around under her bed carelessly. She wanted Sansa to find them and play the game of faces with her.
Who were the faces Arya had? One looked like Walder Frey, not sure who the other was.What if LF wanted her to do the opposite?
I mentioned it last week that Arya could have used a face while spying on Little Finger... She couldnt have used Walder Frey, but why not the other face? Unless its someone who would have been recognized. Seems odd that she would carry two faces for no apparent reason.
Im holding out hope that Sansa and Arya are playing LF. Why would Sansa ask LF for his advice and then do the complete opposite?
The season finale will be 81 minutes next week. 15 of which will be a recap, the intro, and what's next on Veep.The entire recap will be Littlefinger scenes.
Rewatch the Arya/Sansa scenes from last week. Arya knows.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ntZy2pQQKjs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmhGA1qzYTk
Game of Faces
Game of Bewbs
Rewatch the Arya/Sansa scenes from last week. Arya knows.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ntZy2pQQKjs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmhGA1qzYTk
Game of Faces
Watching those scenes outside of the episode completely changes them. Within the show, they're overshadowed by the massive action sequence scenes. Apart from it, you can really see Arya. She's not stupid or naive; she's terrifying.
Lord Baelish is not long for this world.
Where did she get the letter from?
Cat's paw - noun
a person who is used by another, typically to carry out an unpleasant or dangerous task.
Where did she get the letter from?
Littlefinger's bed. It was last week when he watched her break into his room.
Where did Littlefinger get it from?
Where did Littlefinger get it from?
I'm not leading to anything. I'm just confused.
Littlefinger was standing right in front of Sansa while she wrote that letter. That scene has been shown repeatedly in the episode recaps.
I wonder if Sansa remembers that he was there. She has to be asking herself how Arya got the letter.
Also, it's fairly obvious that Arya is bluffing about going to the northern lords with the letter. What is she waiting for?
Here's something cool that I saw elsewhere, when Jon was in the water the eyes on Longclaw look closed and when he comes out of the water they're open again. I am not sure if it's a magical thing but I don't think it was the camera angle. They seemed to stop on Longclaw as he was under the ice in order to show the eyes clearly closed.
The director confirmed that it's either a drop of water or some frost melting. Unintentional but cool nonetheless.
Arya has to be pushing Sansa toward the resolution. Arya can't outright kill Littlefinger; she can't even expose him as a deceitful manipulator. She's just a girl who just came home. No one knows anything of what she's been through; not even Sansa. All the northern lords know what Sansa has been through, though. They also followed Lord Baelish to save Winterfell, as Sansa said. Arya is aware of all of this.
Unless Sansa exposes Littlefinger, the lords won't turn on him. Arya is playing the Game of Faces, even when she's not.
I wonder if the beginning conversation was foreshadowing. When Arya talked about how she shot the same arrow over and over again because she was doing what she was supposed to be doing. She's going back to Sansa over and over.
Sundays finale is called "The Dragon and the Wolf".
season 1, episode 5 - "The Wolf and The Lion" contains the first fight scene between the mountain and the hound, which occurs after the joust between Jamie Lannister and loras tyrell.
GET HYPE
If they manage to drop Clegane Bowl in a satisfying way during what I'm sure is going to be a wild finale. I will be become hype itself.
You think the Dragon is going to let the Wolf do it doggy on Sunday?It actually makes perfect sense.
I would be surprised if they have a full on Claganebowl Sunday but you never know. If they kill the Hound I hope they get anal warts throughout next seasons shoots where they can't poop without screaming in pain.
It actually makes perfect sense.Sandor doesn't own a Valyrian steel weapon and we have no clue whether it matters for unGregor. Qyburn's magic is probably not the same as the NK's.
The hound shows up with the dead guy. Cersei is like yeah, whatevs. Hound calls her a stupid queynte. Mountain gets all triggered. Hound kills mountain for good. I dont even know if needs the good stuff to kill undead mountain, but I doubt he left without a vs or dg weapon.
Cersei seriously reconsiders her options.
It would be cool if Jon lent the Hound Longclaw and he fucked that stupid zombie up. Anyway, with all the plot armor they need the Hound for comedic relief. He better not die.
I hope he dies during the opening credits on sunday....just for you.
Sandor doesn't own a Valyrian steel weapon and we have no clue whether it matters for unGregor. Qyburn's magic is probably not the same as the NK's.Seems like there is plenty to go around. Figured just to be safe.
Seems like there is plenty to go around. Figured just to be safe.
Mountain died south of the wall and seems more reanimated than undead. I can't imagine a zombie being able to give a nun death by snu snu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvWDNPriUY8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvWDNPriUY8)If you don't know what death by snu snu is, that's your loss.
I am a mix of "I can't wait for the finale" and "excrement, we have no clue when the next episode after that will be!"
If you don't know what death by snu snu is, that's your loss.I don't and shrug
Late 2018 or later.
Sundays finale is called "The Dragon and the Wolf".
season 1, episode 5 - "The Wolf and The Lion" contains the first fight scene between the mountain and the hound, which occurs after the joust between Jamie Lannister and loras tyrell.
GET HYPE
While the obvious metaphor for the episode title "The Dragon and the Wolf" is Dany and Jon Snow, I saw the point made that this episode could easily contain a Bran flashback of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, Jon's parents.
Hmm that's an interesting idea. I think we will end up seeing Sam in this episode, so maybe he is the one to figure out Jon's parents? Im pretty sure he ended up bringing that book with him
While the obvious metaphor for the episode title "The Dragon and the Wolf" is Dany and Jon Snow, I saw the point made that this episode could easily contain a Bran flashback of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, Jon's parents.
Probably a needed scene since peeps still don't get Jon is a Targaryen.
Oh, I can't wait for Sam to "figure out" who Jon's parents are. Social media is going to be nothing but sharing: "Sam taking all the credit for what Gilly's research led to is every board room meeting ever."
I don't and shrug
Seems like there is plenty to go around. Figured just to be safe.
It's not your fault, Fenwyr should know better than to think someone over 65 would get that reference.
^ I didn't know Christian Bale was a fast runner.
Cool, what you don't know can fill the Library of Congress.
and what you do know can fill eyedea's diaper.
I know there's only one thing worse than a dumbass, it's a dumbass that thinks he's a smartass.
it might be time for Brienne of Tarth........to die.
it might be time for Brienne of Tarth........to die.
Not before her and Tormund plow
Nah, it's time for a real shocker. Danaerys to bite the dust.
She's not dying with 7 more episodes for HBO to cash in on
If they want to go for shocking (and still leave the primary characters alive) the person who has to die this week is Jaime.
And then when the prophecy comes true, it'll be Tyrion who chokes her to death as vengeance for all she's done and taken from him.
If they want to go for shocking (and still leave the primary characters alive) the person who has to die this week is Jaime.
And then when the prophecy comes true, it'll be Tyrion who chokes her to death as vengeance for all she's done and taken from him.
The only character whose death the show would struggle to survive at this point is Cersei. Pretty much anyone else can go, because the death of Dany, Jon, Jaime or Tyrion would only bring a new element to the storyline. If Cersei were to die then the whole thing's over - the only story left would be Jaime allying with Dany and Jon to defeat the Army of the Dead and that would be dull.
What if Drogon dies?
Cersei has nothing left to live for. The rest of the characters you mentioned haven't completed their arc yet.
If they want to go for shocking (and still leave the primary characters alive) the person who has to die this week is Jaime.
And then when the prophecy comes true, it'll be Tyrion who chokes her to death as vengeance for all she's done and taken from him.
If he dies, he dies.
No, wait. That's Drago.
If Cersei dies then everyone sits down, figures out their differences like adults and gets on with dealing withglobal warmingclimate changethe Army of the Dead.
I've seen the Tyrion theories and it would work, but Jamie has to kill Cersei in order for redemption. They've been alluding to the fact he is unsure of their relationship all season. Cersei might have raped him at one point lol
I agree with you that Cersei dying would eliminate the biggest villain on the show besides the night king, which would make everything pretty boring. It won't happen Sunday.
No one's going to not watch the final season because Dany died, especially when it means that Jon gets to go to war with Cersei in command of Dany's dragons and avenge the killing of his half-sister / almost lover.She's his aunt but due to inbreeding by their Targaryen ancestors, they are even more closely related than half siblings.
This would probably qualify as a spoiler....Her last appearance is a cliffhanger.
But isn't Brienne dead in the books? EDIT: I guess no. I just looked on the Wiki, and there's no mention of her demise.
I just read a completely off the wall theory regarding Bran. It makes the theories I come up with look sane. I think it's wrong, but I admire the way it got to the conclusion.
The whole Bran = Night King theories? Or something more batshit crazy than that?
That's the one.
That's pretty batshit crazy all on its own.
Yeah... I've seen it a lot... Seems like most of the reasoning or evidence is pretty questionable and murky
They have to keep the Hound around, hearing him call people cunts is one of the main attractions of the show.
Not a spoiler in any fashion, I am guessing here as I have been thinking about this.
The two deaths I think are coming are Littlefinger and the Mountain. I think Arya and Sansa are playing LF, at the very least one of them is. My reasoning is Arya is playing the game of faces and I think she sees right through that bullshit and offs that bundle of sticks.
We know the Hound is in Kings Landing and so is the Mountain. I think he freaks out and kills that zombified bitch. I think D&D like the Hound's character and he lives and the Mountain dies.
Absolutely my favorite part of the show.
"I understand that if any more words come pouring out of your queynte mouth, I'm going to have to eat every freaking chicken in this room."
Not a spoiler in any fashion, I am guessing here as I have been thinking about this.
The two deaths I think are coming are Littlefinger and the Mountain. I think Arya and Sansa are playing LF, at the very least one of them is. My reasoning is Arya is playing the game of faces and I think she sees right through that bullshit and offs that bundle of sticks.
We know the Hound is in Kings Landing and so is the Mountain. I think he freaks out and kills that zombified bitch. I think D&D like the Hound's character and he lives and the Mountain dies.
Whatever bran ends up doing will be hated by most fans, I think. Whatever GRRM originally had planned for him 20 years ago has already been vultured by other popular fantasy stories and will come off as ham fisted.
This is the only good post you've ever had but it's really good
I think Puck is right about Littlefinger and the Mountain going out in the finale. My only fear is that Mountain will do the cheesy 80's horror movie villian again, and manage to take the hound with him.
As for Bran... With what we learned last week, if the Night King is destroyed, every last walker and their minions are gone too.
Jon faces down the Night King. That is a given. He's probably already knocked up his aunt by that point, so his arc finally ends.
Jon falls to the Night King. Bran wargs into the Night King, picks up Jon's sword, and kills himself. War over.
I'm gonna have to check out of the internet in general until tomorrow evening. Can't watch until then.
I know some will disagree, but that was a top 10 episode. That was A Song of Ice and Fire.
I'd probably put it top 5. The second half was freaking awesome.Agreed.
I know some will disagree, but that was a top 10 episode. That was A Song of Ice and Fire.
Is it A-Gone?
I thought it was great. Not gonna bother ranking it but it was well done and an excellent close to the season.
Yes. Most excellent. Also, Mrs English has ended up watching the last four episodes with me and decided she wants to see the whole thing, so looks like I am going to get the second run through I swore I wouldn't do. Maybe excrement will make more sense second time round.Too funny. Wifey watched the last 3 behind my back, stopped pretending and watched the finale wirh me.
Too funny. Wifey watched the last 3 behind my back, stopped pretending and watched the finale wirh me."You know who's coming for you. You've always known."
She didn't even flinch when I stood up and maybe yelled don't you freaking do it, regarding Jaime leaving and the mountain.
Speaking of which, the Clegane family reunion was sort of meh.
Bran is an unbelievably terrible Three Eyed Raven. He sat around doing basically nothing for all that time and never bothered to confirm the circumstances of Jon's birth.Apparently it take a lot of time to learn everything about everything.
Bran is an unbelievably terrible Three Eyed Raven. He sat around doing basically nothing for all that time and never bothered to confirm the circumstances of Jon's birth.
Except that he's only coming to terms now with what he is, what he can do and what his role is in the bigger picture. He hasn't seen Jon since he became the three eyed raven, so I'm not sure who else he would have told; Sam is about the only other person he could sensibly have trusted with that knowledge. And he doesn't automatically know everything, but if he knows what he's looking for he can go and find it i.e. Rhaegen and Lyanna's wedding.
apparently, season 8 won't be released until 2019. freak that noise.They are basically giving us 6 movie length episodes, like last night. It's going to suck waiting, but hopefully it will be worth it.
did Lord Beric and Tormund escape the Wall coming down?Yes. They could have done an amazing death scene there, but didn't. Those 2 aren't dieing off camera.
Yeah littlefinger killed it. His facial expressions were hilarious during his realization of what was happening.He had to go, but I took no pleasure in it.
Yeah littlefinger killed it. His facial expressions were hilarious during his realization of what was happening.
Wtf was with Tyrion's creepy face when Jon and Dany were getting it on...My wife said Cersei looks and talks like Keira Knightley. It's stuck in my head now.
Also shout out to Sansa for actually being useful and kind of badass.
The acting this episode was freaking great. Littlefinger and Cersei stick out.
It must've been gratifying for Nestor Royce to feed Littlefinger that excrement sandwich when he begged him for the Vale's help.I was a bit surprised to be honest. Those men rode north for him to win the BotB. A couple little girls accuse him of some crazy, but true, excrement. They just stand by and watch him get murdered.
I wonder who's going to lead Cersei's army now. Zickon?She doesn't have a proper army now. I imagine the iron bank army she hires will have their own commander.
Though I think at least a couple of the following will die this week:
Littlefinger
The Hound
Tormund
Brienne
Gilly
Grey Worm
Misandei
Davos
Jorah
I was a bit surprised to be honest. Those men rode north for him to win the BotB. A couple little girls accuse him of some crazy, but true, excrement. They just stand by and watch him get murdered.
She doesn't have a proper army now. I imagine the iron bank army she hires will have their own commander.
Euron is going to be king when he ferries the mercenaries back, at the very least he's going to be the Queen's Hand. I'd say he's going to lead them.
Wtf was with Tyrion's creepy face when Jon and Dany were getting it on...
Also shout out to Sansa for actually being useful and kind of badass.
The acting this episode was freaking great. Littlefinger and Cersei stick out.
Something to keep in mind, Littlefinger didn't deny any of the accusations. If anyone in attendance had any doubts regarding the Starks' argument, he sealed the deal himself. Everyone was willing to deal with Littlefinger's machinations until they were assured he had no limits.
Nailed two of my top-3. And I'll take half-credit on Jorah, who died inside when Dany took Jon's advice over his.
I didn't realize he had a hand in Jon Arryn's death. I thought Cercei was behind that, because he found out about the true lineage of her children.
Another point:
Littlefinger's leverage for some time has the Knights of the Vale, Sansa needs their support. One plot line that hasn't been revisited is that Littlefinger had Jon Arryn (their lord) poisoned by his wife, Lysa Arryn, and then threw her out the moon door. Sansa knows all of this. I would imagine the Knights of the Vale would not be too happy if they found out. Sansa has a serious wildcard to play if she stops being so schtuuupid for a minute for the first time ever on the show.
I was a bit surprised to be honest. Those men rode north for him to win the BotB. A couple little girls accuse him of some crazy, but true, excrement. They just stand by and watch him get murdered.
The Winterfell payoff was fantastic. I loved every moment of it.
I wonder if the Bran/Sam scene will finally stop the "Jon is a Targaryen?!" nonsense once and for all. I think the 3 eyed raven thing made sense there. Bran was aware of Jon's parentage, but the wedding was secret. They even made the point that the rebellion was based on a lie, so Bran had no reason to assume that Lyanna wasn't raped and that Jon was a Sand--until Sam pointed out the private record of the legal marriage.
So Jon is "The Prince that was Promised." The other major prophecy is Cersei's. I'm really hoping it's Jaime who comes back to kill her in the end.
BTW:
Nailed two of my top-3. And I'll take half-credit on Jorah, who died inside when Dany took Jon's advice over his.
Also, Theon-no-balls was great. Finally, that character pays off.
Pulled from reddit:
"There is no grand conspiracy or secret love, Tyrion is simply concerned that Dany is being swayed by emotion over logic. He had clearly taken note of her attraction to Jon as he saw her stare at Jon as he left Dragonstone. He urged her not to risk herself and her dragons to save Jon but she did it anyway. He was clearly angry at Jon for telling everyone he will follow Daenerys. And then Dany goes on a boat with Jon where she is more at risk. He sees that Daenerys is being influenced by her love for Jon and it is making her make unnecessary moves and rash decisions. He is concerned about the relationship because he is concerned about her."
Not a bad point. But my first impression from earlier episodes was that Tyrion was supportive of Jon and Dany which is why he brought up her needing a successor, as well as pointing out that Jon does love her. He didn't seem to show disapproval then. Maybe a culmination of events has him feeling otherwise now.
I've also seen a couple of other plausible theories:
- Tyrion had Cersei lie about the truce
- Tyrion received a raven from Bran about Jon's true parentage and was conflicted on whether to intervene
There is probably a good reason why they didn't show the end of the Cersei/Tyrion scene
Isn't the Golden Company a part of the Second Sons, which is led by daario naharis?No. They are different groups.
I can't see him turning on Dany, but i suppose it's not out of the question...given she broke up with him.
He's not sending a raven for that. That's definitely an in person convo.
Tyrion is going to choose his family over Dany...due to guilt.No.
Pulled from reddit:
"There is no grand conspiracy or secret love, Tyrion is simply concerned that Dany is being swayed by emotion over logic. He had clearly taken note of her attraction to Jon as he saw her stare at Jon as he left Dragonstone. He urged her not to risk herself and her dragons to save Jon but she did it anyway. He was clearly angry at Jon for telling everyone he will follow Daenerys. And then Dany goes on a boat with Jon where she is more at risk. He sees that Daenerys is being influenced by her love for Jon and it is making her make unnecessary moves and rash decisions. He is concerned about the relationship because he is concerned about her."
Tormund didn't die
Not a bad point. But my first impression from earlier episodes was that Tyrion was supportive of Jon and Dany which is why he brought up her needing a successor, as well as pointing out that Jon does love her. He didn't seem to show disapproval then. Maybe a culmination of events has him feeling otherwise now.
He ded.
I think there's an easy answer there.
Danaerys doesn't think clearly when it comes to Jon. No other relationship she's had has made her make questionable decisions. Every decision involving Jon has been questionable.
I think the culmination was last night when they were planning marching orders, and everyone agreed on a plan except Jon who basically said "Nah, this is the way we're doing it, right my queen?" And she was all "Oh, well, yeah, for sure. Whatever you say Jon!"
So you are assuming he is dead. When they last showed him and Beric, they were watching the wall get melted but they are unharmed. I think the GOT "no character is confirmed dead without an on screen death" applies here. Only places it didn't that I can remember are Stannis and Blackfish.
What would be the point in showing dozens of anonymous nights watch/wildlings getting killed off the past 2 episodes and then not showing Beric/Tormund. They could have easily been substituted into any one of those meaningless death scenes.
No way Tormund survived. He had just started running when the dragon started icefiring the wall. He specifically made the comment about how far down it was to the bottom.
Game of Thrones has thrown out previously established "rules" repeatedly. Jon died on screen but came back. Stannis died off of it and isn't coming back.
He ded.
"The Lord of Light has kept us alive for a reason"
-Beric, literally 1 episode ago
"No way Sansa and reek survived that fall"
-Alio, season 5 finale.
They didn't attempt to go down, there was still plenty of wall left towards castle black.
He ded.
Honestly, he might or might not be. I don't care either way. His death was implied which is good enough for me for the list I made. I like the character, and I'd to see him and Brienne get together, but I don't really care either way. I'm just breaking your balls.
No.
Betrayal will happen. Get Hype.Why would Tyrion betray Dany now that Jaime is on his side?
He ded.It wasn't even implied.
Honestly, he might or might not be. I don't care either way. His death was implied which is good enough for me for the list I made. I like the character, and I'd to see him and Brienne get together, but I don't really care either way. I'm just breaking your balls.
Dany is pregnant now, right?
Have the seas gone dry? Do the mountains blow in the wind like leaves?
It wasn't even implied.
Why would Tyrion betray Dany now that Jaime is on his side?
Come on. The last time we saw them, they were climbing down the wall. The last time we saw the wall, it was on the ground. It was implied. (Or whatever better word would be used to say "we're attempting to make it appear they died", even if they're not dead.)
Why would Tyrion betray Dany now that Jaime is on his side?
I don't think so. From what I remember, they see a section of wall getting melted and run in the opposite direction along the wall (towards castle black, away from the sea). I could be wrong though.
Is Jaime actually of any use? It's just him, the army isn't with him. He's not a great warrior any more, Tyrion probably doesn't trust him, Cersei definitely doesn't, none of Dany's group except maybe Brienne do. I'm not really sure what value he has to Dany's forces; his most valuable asset to her is not being at King's Landing in charge of Cersei's army.
No Jaime = No Bronn = Lannisters lose by a million
Bronn's not loyal to Jaime, he's loyal to Bronn - as he has amply proven over the course of the show. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up as Cersei's Hand.
Bronn's not loyal to Jaime, he's loyal to Bronn - as he has amply proven over the course of the show. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up as Cersei's Hand.
No Jaime = No Bronn = Lannisters lose by a million
I've read that Bronn and Lena Headley can't appear onscreen together, due to a relationship from like 15 years ago and a bad breakup. Supposedly this was why he had that weird scene where he and Pod left to go drink wine and "leave the fancy people to their fancy conversations" or whatever- right before Cersei showed up.
Edit: Confirmed that they don't speak to each other on set from articles a couple years ago.
Also, Qyburn is her hand. Not sure if you're implying he gets killed off.
Ha, I never knew that. Apparently she split up with her husband in 2011 and subsequently dated both Bronn and Oberyn. Had a child in 2015 but has refused to confirm who is the father.
Wtf? Is this Lena Headley or Cersei we're talking about here?
I wasn't, I thought Jaime was her Hand.
I wasn't, I thought Jaime was her Hand.
In the scene where Jaime rode off from Kings Landing, he had taken off his Lannister armor and was wearing all black. Even slid a black glove over his gold hand.
Eh, too nerdy for me.
Order in which I would bang the women from GoT:
1. Missandei
2. Ellaria
3. Ygritte
4. Cersei
5. Marjorie
6. Dany
7. Melisandre
8. Sansa
9. Gilly
10. Yara
11. Brienne
Eh, too nerdy for me.
Order in which I would bang the women from GoT:
1. Missandei
2. Ellaria
3. Ygritte
4. Cersei
5. Marjorie
6. Dany
7. Melisandre
8. Sansa
9. Gilly
10. Yara
11. Brienne
how do you have Ellaria/Ygritte over Melisandre/Dany?
I'd want a 4some with the Sand Snakes.
I think Dany's highly overrated. Obviously I'd have a go on her if she asked nicely, but she's not in the same league as Ellaria and Ygritte. Melisandre has great funbags but is annoying.
I thought about including the Sand Snakes but they're not sufficiently major characters to make my list. See also Shae. You are welcome to make your own version.
I think Dany's highly overrated. Obviously I'd have a go on her if she asked nicely, but she's not in the same league as Ellaria and Ygritte. Melisandre has great funbags but is annoying.
I thought about including the Sand Snakes but they're not sufficiently major characters to make my list. See also Shae. You are welcome to make your own version.
I'm surprised you didn't have Shae at the top of your rankings...considering she loves to bang dwarves.An open goal, but scored with aplomb all the same.
Eh, too nerdy for me.
Order in which I would bang the women from GoT:
1. Missandei
2. Ellaria
3. Ygritte
4. Cersei
5. Marjorie
6. Dany
7. Melisandre
8. Sansa
9. Gilly
10. Yara
11. Brienne
Is Jaime actually of any use? It's just him, the army isn't with him. He's not a great warrior any more, Tyrion probably doesn't trust him, Cersei definitely doesn't, none of Dany's group except maybe Brienne do. I'm not really sure what value he has to Dany's forces; his most valuable asset to her is not being at King's Landing in charge of Cersei's army.
Missing the point. Tyrion still likes Jaime. Doesn't matter if he's useful or not. Just tell MB his speculation is bad and he should feel bad.you love my speculation
you love my speculation
DCM speculates better.than you? yes
than you? yes
I love far-fetched speculation/theories, but is it just me or is this "Bran is the Night King" theory completely freaking retarded?It's retarded.
20/30. Honestly quite impressed with that.
http://quiz.forbes.com/the-ultimate-game-of-throne-quiz/
I love far-fetched speculation/theories, but is it just me or is this "Bran is the Night King" theory completely freaking retarded?
Just finished season 7. The army of the dead just breached the wall and are on their way south and the show is going to make us wait 2 years for them to reach Winterfell? The dead sure are slow as freak.If you pause when they zoom out on the army at the end, it looks like a wolves head. Internet theories range from the night king is a stark to it was just an inside joke.
If you pause when they zoom out on the army at the end, it looks like a wolves head. Internet theories range from the night king is a stark to it was just an inside joke.
In the books the night king is a former lord commander of the nights watch and possibly a stark. In the show the night king is a completely different character/entity.
Well when Bran was talking to The Children before he officially became the Three Eyed Raven, he had a vision of them killing a human to create the first White Walker . I'm assuming the first is the Knight King and was a Northerner. The House of Stark didn't exist back then anyway.I was going to correct this but then I realized you're pretty much accurate with all of that.
Wow I sound like such a nerd.
I was going to correct this but then I realized you're pretty much accurate with all of that.
Fuckin' nerd.
"Tyrion listening like a creep derriere nigga" is the greatest tweet ever. s
Well when Bran was talking to The Children before he officially became the Three Eyed Raven, he had a vision of them killing a human to create the first White Walker . I'm assuming the first is the Knight King and was a Northerner. The House of Stark didn't exist back then anyway.
Wow I sound like such a nerd.
What I can't wrap my head around is the wall was built to keep the walkers north. There was no nights watch before the wall. How could a lord commander of the watch be the night king?
What I can't wrap my head around is the wall was built to keep the walkers north. There was no nights watch before the wall. How could a lord commander of the watch be the night king?
Who said he was a Lord Commander?
http://uproxx.com/tv/game-of-thrones-animated-history-season-7-dvd/
http://amp.timeinc.net/time/4949933/game-of-thrones-fifth-prequel-series/?source=dam
Sophie Turner said most of the cast "burst into tears" after reading the Game of Thrones Series Finale script.
Final scene = Jon Snow sacrificing himself to save Dany Confirmed. That or Tormund - Brienne full penetration sex scene.
I hate that they're waiting till 2019 to release the last season. And it's only 6 episodes.They will probably be long episodes though. Like 6 almost movies.
They will probably be long episodes though. Like 6 almost movies.
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maybe
or HBO will freak us and they'll be less than an hour.
Theyre all an hour and a half, freaking confirmed
After 55 nights, #GameOfThrones is finally done filming the longest battle in the show's history
The previous record was for ‘Battle of the Bastards’ which took 25 days to film
Finished the books finally. Started watching the show again, starting from season 1.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-8-hbo-spinoff-white-walker-prequel-everything-we-know-george-rr-martin-jane-a8390836.htmlIm in
Yasssss
No way Tormund survived. He had just started running when the dragon started icefiring the wall. He specifically made the comment about how far down it was to the bottom.
Game of Thrones has thrown out previously established "rules" repeatedly. Jon died on screen but came back. Stannis died off of it and isn't coming back.
He ded.
HBO submitted the finale, “The Dragon and the Wolf,” for Emmys consideration; it was nominated for Outstanding Writing for a Drama Series, along with episodes of The Americans, The Crown, The Handmaid’s Eve, Killing Eve, and Stranger Things. In the section applying to Tormund and Beric, the script, which has been released online, reads, “Tormund and Beric lead their wildling comrades to the stairs carved in the ice — Eastwatch has a massive zig-zag stairway, not an elevator like Castle Black. They run for their lives and disappear from view.”
He's alive, not that we needed the hint.
According to the interwebz, GoT season 8 will premiere in April 2019.Jan-Mar 2019 is going to be an absolute drag.
#cantwait
Don't get the Bran hype
Don't get the Bran hype
https://mobile.twitter.com/gameofthrones/status/1102962107203682304
my body is ready
I hope the Night King wins and the show ends in a church.
Bran = Night King Confirmed
Tarly SZNThreesome with Gilly and Melisandre
I will not be able to see the finale until well after the air date. I'm probably just going to try to avoid the internet altogether until I can finally watch it.
I usually despise the half crock fan theories, but does anyone think Tyrion is half Targaryen? Supposedly the mad king lusted after Tywin Lannister’s wife - Johanna, and she died giving birth to him (just like Lyanna Stark > Jon Snow) and it would give a deeper explanation to Tywin Lannister’s hate of Tyrion and his last words “You are no son of mine.”
Just read that season 8 has somehow already leaked, I didn’t even click the story but beware of spoilers because people are assholes
Hmm
Just read that season 8 has somehow already leaked, I didn’t even click the story but beware of spoilers because people are assholes
Details have leaked, or the actual episodes have leaked?
Like I said I didn’t even want to risk getting spoilered so I didn’t click. The headline made it seem like the episodes. Either way you know assholes are gonna try and ruin it for everyone.
Yeah I'm working on it. I'll post in the NFL Draft thread when I find something concrete.
I usually despise the half crock fan theories, but does anyone think Tyrion is half Targaryen? Supposedly the mad king lusted after Tywin Lannister’s wife - Johanna, and she died giving birth to him (just like Lyanna Stark > Jon Snow) and it would give a deeper explanation to Tywin Lannister’s hate of Tyrion and his last words “You are no son of mine.”No that theory sucks
https://mobile.twitter.com/gameofthrones/status/1113093735888379904
New trailer :'(
After visiting the throne the other day, my 11-year-old asked if he can finally watch GoT. We're 3 episodes in and he's already had to cover his eyes multiple times.
But holy excrement is this show good. This was a great excuse to go back to the beginning before the final run.
My wife decided at Christmas she wanted to give it a go. She almost made it through the first episode before she decided it was way too violent for her.
Ned executed Sansa's wolf.
I don't remember that but I'm glad we didn't get that far.
After Arya's wolf attacks Joffrey, Ned and his daughters are called before King Robert, Cersei and Joffrey. Obviously, Cersei and Joffrey demand the wolf be put down, but they're told the wolf ran away, so they demand another wolf be punished in its place. Ned demanded to be able to do it out of respect for the animal. Fortunately, they didn't show any of it on-screen, but you hear the yelp, and that's the moment Bran's eyes re-open post-push.
I know I watched that episode. I don't remember it because the entire series is a huge complicated blurry mess of nerd that requires far more focus to understand or care what has happened and why than I'm willing to give.
Haha, honestly, I wouldn't have gone back if not for my kid wanting to finally see it, but there's so much that you're like "Oh excrement, that was some foreshadowing" that I'm finding it worth it. I just have no idea how we're going to get through the whole thing before the season starts.
I'm just mildly irritated that I dedicated so much time to a show which looks increasingly destined to make me say "meh, is that it?" when it finally gets to the end.
I don't feel like that's going to be the case at all. I think it's going to be more like "WTF, how could they!?" But I guess we'll see.
If the fat lad doesn't become king of the world or whatever it is they're all fighting for then I'm rioting.
I'm just mildly irritated that I dedicated so much time to a show which looks increasingly destined to make me say "meh, is that it?" when it finally gets to the end.
Did you not think last season was good? I’m not all the way through the re-watch of it, but that’s not what I thought at all.
Oh that’s right, I forgot, you’re critical of just about everything that’s universally loved.
I barely remember it. It's all kind of blurred into one now. There are bits that are great, but there are all sorts of stupid unnecessary storylines that serve no apparent purpose q.v. Stannis. What a whole load of pointless that entire storyline was. Also, the whole "Arya joins a death cult" thing was boring as freak although given she hasn't yet died I accept that there might still be some purpose to that story, tedious though it was.
For the first three seasons it was good. After that they just seem to be making it up as they go along.
No way Tormund survived. He had just started running when the dragon started icefiring the wall. He specifically made the comment about how far down it was to the bottom.
Game of Thrones has thrown out previously established "rules" repeatedly. Jon died on screen but came back. Stannis died off of it and isn't coming back.
He ded.
Tormund is not dead
Stannis died off of it and isn't coming back.
If nothing more comes of Stannis' storyline (we never actually saw him die)
I should have been more specific, I was talking about this:
Ah okay. I don't know if Stannis is dead or not, but my point was: whether he is or isn't, he's had a significant mark on the overall story already so he wasn't a waste of screentime/storytelling.
He ded.
Littlefinger death scene might be my favorite in the entire show
Geoffrey
Was he related to Marjorie?
Going into the season with zero refresher was a bad idea.
Who cares they both dedEdd and Alio were the only ones who believed Tormund was dead.
Toromunde is alive though!
***Spoilers below if you haven't seen last night's episode***
So...i need some opinions on this because I've been sitting here thinking about this all morning. I could be totally way off base...
In the season finale of last season. Tyrion goes back to speak with Cercei to convince her to come back to the negotiation table. They didn't show all the details of that meeting. I thought it was weird at the time, but when Sansa was conversing with Tyrion telling him basically that he shouldn't believe Cercei in regards to sending the Lannister army up north, and then she sarcastically quipped that he was the "cleverest man she's ever known"...he stood there with a stoic face. That set off alarm bells for me. I think Tyrion is gonna freak over Jon & Dany at some point.
***Spoilers below if you haven't seen last night's episode***
So...i need some opinions on this because I've been sitting here thinking about this all morning. I could be totally way off base...
In the season finale of last season. Tyrion goes back to speak with Cercei to convince her to come back to the negotiation table. They didn't show all the details of that meeting. I thought it was weird at the time, but when Sansa was conversing with Tyrion telling him basically that he shouldn't believe Cercei in regards to sending the Lannister army up north, and then she sarcastically quipped that he was the "cleverest man she's ever known"...he stood there with a stoic face. That set off alarm bells for me. I think Tyrion is gonna freak over Jon & Dany at some point.
https://mobile.twitter.com/kirstenacuna/status/1117600113889808394
Replies to this are great
The replies appear to all be coming from semi-literate 14 year old boys giggling because someone did a sex.
Every tweet you link makes the world a slightly dumber place.
I thought you don’t go on twitter. You’re more annoying than the 14 year olds for the record
Tyrion trusts and respects Jamie way more than Cersei. If he has abandoned Cersei, I can’t see Tyrion being loyal to her/their family.
That's my intial thought too. But something stinks....why hide the rest of the convo between Tyrion/Cercei?
I agree with this point. His attitude completely changed when he found out she’s pregnant too. Made it pretty clear that he cared about her kids and felt terrible about what happened to them. I don’t know if that erases a lifetime of hatred between them though.
The replies appear to all be coming from semi-literate 14 year old boys giggling because someone did a sex.
Every tweet you link makes the world a slightly dumber place.
I also thought #TarlySZN took the news of his brother/father more harshly than i expected, because his father hated and threatened to kill him if he didn't go to the Wall. It sounded like he really wanted to stick it to Dany by forcing the news on Jon Snow.
Edd and Alio were the only ones who believed Tormund was dead.
are Gendry and Arya gonna freak?
Dany and Aegon have zero chemistry. It's like they already know.
You mean when they went on their happy smiley romancey coming-to-a-theme-park-near-you-soon Falkor ride you didn't buy into the whole Disney thing? For shame.
Dany and Aegon have zero chemistry. It's like they already know.
I hummed "A Whole New World" throughout.
In the third episode of season seven, Varys confronts Melisandre about her hand in Jon Snow being invited to visit Dragonstone. Before leaving for Volantis, she tells him: "I will return, dear Spider, one last time. I have to die in this strange country, just like you."
"Burnt up some of my favorite boys"
"That boy Eddie"
"The ginger?"
"That's him. Came back with with his face burnt right off, he's got no eyelids now."
https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/amp27148069/game-of-thrones-rob-mcelhenney-season-8-episode-1-cameo/?__twitter_impression=true
Mac from Always Sunny was in last night's episode as a soldier from the Golden Company... lasted about 2 seconds
Game of Thrones, Always Sunny, and Lost exist in a shared universe. It is known.Silicon Valley in the mix, too, with Gilfoyle.
Same lol.
He got on dragon and I was like, "i can show you the woooorld..."
Will we see Melisandre one last time?
Inb4 MBGreen funbags comment
Tarly SZN
Samwell Tarly-
Rightful heir to Horn Hill, Member of the Night’s Watch. Liberator of Craster Free Folk, First to slay a White Walker, Killer of Thenn mercenaries, Wielder of Heartsbane, Curer of grayscale, Discoverer of Dragonglass, Clapper of Wildling cheeks, GillyFucker.
She's gonna kill him.
Get that dick Arya
Spanish actor Javier Botet is credited for the next episode. His character is not confirmed but he's usually cast as monsters or mutated humans (creepy build; 6'6", ~120-130 lbs).
Zombie Ned Stark confirmed.
The crypts are the safest place! My derriere. freaking necromancer at the door and you're sending kids into a graveyard.
I just don’t want the Hound to die before he faces his brother
This isn't remotely scripted or awkward at all.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1120357738226298880
Looking forward to GoT and X-Men wrapping up and her fading into obscurity.
Just read that the Battle of Winterfell is the longest episode ever of GOT
I will miss it this Sunday as I will be in Montreal having a joint wedding anniversary dinner with my parents. I probably won't get to see it until Wednesday and I have no idea how I'm going to avoid spoilers for that long.
Can't you just watch it on HBO Go at some point? Take an hour long crapper trip.
HBO Go isn't a thing in Canada. It's possible I might be able to DL it to my laptop Monday evening and watch it on the train on the way home.
Can’t believe the plan to protect Bran is with a dickless coward and possibly the worst soldier in Winterfell
Was that the dagger from Littlefinger?
Was that the dagger from Littlefinger?
Soooooo uhhhh what was Bran’s plan there?There's always money in the weirwood tree
There's always money in the weirwood tree
Soooooo uhhhh what was Bran’s plan there?
Soooooo uhhhh what was Bran’s plan there?
Will we see Melisandre one last time?
Inb4 MBGreen funbags comment
RIP House Mormont
Old Nan: "The sky is blue because we all exist inside the eye of a blue-eyed giant."
Lyanna Mormont: "Hold my beer."
I’m sure Puck reached for the Jergens when Melisandre ripped her amulet off
So what do Jon and Danny have left? Like 12 people in Winterfell and whichever Ironborn are still on Pyke with Yara?Is anyone is left from The Riverlands maybe? Is Dorne still a thing?
Is anyone is left from The Riverlands maybe? Is Dorne still a thing?
Super big reach that won’t happen for many reasons, but does Daario Noharis have an army?
there might be a few Baratheons lying around in the Stormlands.
Imagine complaining about this episode...
Some people are just unbearable
Thank You
Oh excrement Bran literally gave her that dagger last season
“It was too dark”
“No one important died”
STFU
“It was too dark”It's the typical hyperfan letdown. "Why didn't the climax of this thing I love fix my broken soul?"
“No one important died”
STFU
“No one important died”
Stannis is alive hive
Robett Glover retreated back to Deepwood Motte with his men before the battle. Perhaps he mends fences with Jon and rejoin their forces?
Deepwood Motte is located closer to the Shadow Tower (other end of the wall). Maybe the Night King avoided that area
Super big reach that won’t happen for many reasons, but does Daario Noharis have an army?
freak that hoo-ha
Second Sons?
“It was too dark”
“No one important died”
STFU
He’s still a great swordsman with one hand.
It’s more unbelievable that Sam’s fat derriere survived.
Greyworm saved them early when Dany was lost in the snowstorm
I was expecting him to die.
I get it from a story arc perspective, but i still can't believe Jamie survived that one-handed.
I also assumed Bronn was going to show up in time for the battle....guess not.
Zombie Ned Stark confirmed.
The crypts are the safest place! My derriere. freaking necromancer at the door and you're sending kids into a graveyard.
So...dragonfire didn't faze the Night King. Does this mean he's Targaryen?
-can ride a dragon
-and of course, impervious to dragon fire.
i think he is. I also think that the upcoming prequel show will have some focus on the Night King's backstory....so the morons on twitter should stop whining that they didn't find out his backstory.
I think he’s just unfazed by fire
I get it from a story arc perspective, but i still can't believe Jamie survived that one-handed.
I also assumed Bronn was going to show up in time for the battle....guess not.
According to Jon, you can kill them with dragonglass and/or fire. NK should've been toast.
Super big reach that won’t happen for many reasons, but does Daario Noharis have an army?Not a terrible guess. But I don't know if there's enough time left for him to reenter the story with his mercenary army.
there might be a few Baratheons lying around in the Stormlands.Corpses don't count anymore
Where are the Knights of the Vale at?I think they were part of the battle and probably suffered heavy losses. I vaguely remember seeing an Arryn shield.
I was 100% sure Beric, Theon, and Jorah were going to die.
Was >50% sure Brienne and Grey Worm would die.
Did not expect Lyanna to die.
Was certain Varys would live only because a) there's no cool way for him to go out b) it wouldn't evoke much fan reaction and the show is mostly running on fan service fumes at this point.
Knew Arya would live but I was legit worried when the NK caught her by the throat.
I think they were part of the battle and probably suffered heavy losses. I vaguely remember seeing an Arryn shield.
Bronze Yohn Royce took most of them there.Would be nice for him to finally pull his weight for Dany
Best guess I can venture is that Varys secured the Golden Company for the Targaryens years ago along with Illyrio and they are now waiting for the signal.
Oh excrement Bran literally gave her that dagger last season, in the same exact spot under the Weirwood tree where she ended up icing the Night King
I was 100% sure Beric, Theon, and Jorah were going to die.Definitely thought Brienne was going to die after the knighting. That seemed like a proper good bye and her story had pretty much been completed. Very surprised she made it.
Was >50% sure Brienne and Grey Worm would die.
Did not expect Lyanna to die.
Was certain Varys would live only because a) there's no cool way for him to go out b) it wouldn't evoke much fan reaction and the show is mostly running on fan service fumes at this point.
Knew Arya would live but I was legit worried when the NK caught her by the throat.
the Night King is probably Daemon Blackfyre of House Blackfyre.
As far as I can tell, there were 3 Daemon Blackfyres and they all died in different editions of the Blackfyre rebellions
Also the same place in the Godswood where Jon asked Arya: "How did you sneak up on me?"
Well, that answers how she got to the Night King without the other whitewalkers detecting her.
I rarely rewatch TV shows, but I'm definitely going to rewatch this entire series at least one more time after it ends to see all the threads that finally tie together.
I’m doing that right now, and it’s freaking amazing. It’s my favorite show.
I’m doing that right now, and it’s freaking amazing. It’s my favorite show.You should purchase Fire And Blood by GRRM...and thank me later. The Targaryen history is fascinating
”Everything we wanted people to see is there.”
- GOT Cinematographer
To all of the people tarding out online, the episode is called “The Long Night”.
It was intentional to create an atmospheric effect. It’s baffling how people didn’t get that. It absolutely added to the stress/intensity of the episode for me.
- GOT Cinematographer
To all of the people tarding out online, the episode is called “The Long Night”.
It was intentional to create an atmospheric effect. It’s baffling how people didn’t get that. It absolutely added to the stress/intensity of the episode for me.
Someone online pointed out that Jon actually screams "Goooooooo" when he stands up dead Viserys, and that is when Arya makes her break for the Night King. There's a shot in between seeing Jon do that and her jumping at the Night King where you see a breeze blow the hair of one of the White Walkers and he only side-eyes as a reaction. Arya's a freaking ninja.
BTW, the actor playing the Night King was originally a stunt double on the show, who was killed by Jon at Craster's, and actually prepared Maisie Williams for the courtyard sword dance sequence with Brienne.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bkakhe/spoilers_my_favorite_reaction_from_that_scene_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x (https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bkakhe/spoilers_my_favorite_reaction_from_that_scene_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x)
https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bkakhe/spoilers_my_favorite_reaction_from_that_scene_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x (https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bkakhe/spoilers_my_favorite_reaction_from_that_scene_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x)ARYA
“Which one of you cowards excrement in my pants?”
Arya is going to assassinate Dany for Sansa, isn't she?
Arya is going to assassinate Dany for Sansa, isn't she?
I really don't think so
I think Varys is going to betray Dany at a crucial time.
I can't wait till the light goes out of Cersei's eyes as Jaime chokes the last breath from her lungs.
I saw someone else say this too, but the way I interpreted that was Jamie going back to Kings Landing once he realized Cersei was in mortal danger.
Thought it was kinda a dumb character arc/plot decision, just saying that’s how I interpreted it
No? It feels to me that they're setting up a Sansa vs. Daenerys end game. Last night, I thought it was way too obvious to be coincidental that Sansa and Arya were standing as far from everyone as possible while they were in the map room.
I saw someone else say this too, but the way I interpreted that was Jamie going back to Kings Landing once he realized Cersei was in mortal danger.
Thought it was kinda a dumb character arc/plot decision, just saying that’s how I interpreted it
I think it's a really interesting plot device because we don't really know which side of the line he's going to fall. He's gone from being the golden boy Kingslayer to becoming hated by many on both sides and he has come to terms with who he really is, so the question now is whether he is going to fall back to being what he has always been, or whether he's going to make amends for his past sins and those of his house and family. I lean towards the latter in the end, but he's clearly tormented right now.
... No John Snow in this end game?
I saw someone else say this too, but the way I interpreted that was Jamie going back to Kings Landing once he realized Cersei was in mortal danger.
Thought it was kinda a dumb character arc/plot decision, just saying that’s how I interpreted it
... No John Snow in this end game?
Tormund better not have been written out of the story. Thought they alluded to him meeting up with Snow again, but I’ll be furious if that’s the last we see of him. Ghost too. That scene was heartbreaking and didn’t make a lot of sense to me.
Also think it’s a waste of Samwell Tarly’s character if he just ends up being Gilly’s baby daddy.
I didn't think about it at the time, and I don't have a "huge" problem with it, but somewhere online I saw it mentioned that Jon didn't even pet Ghost before letting him leave with Tormund, which seems weird. I don't think we've seen the last of Tormund/Ghost.
As for Sam, he already had a major moment as being the one to reveal Jon's birthright. That said, I've maintained all along that I believe Sam has a bigger role in the end game, and while I don't have a guess what it is, I don't think it's that he's the author of "A Game of Thrones" in the end.
The fortune-teller that Cersei visited when she was young told her that:
...when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you. Valonqar being high Valyrian for "little brother" which Jamie is, by minutes.
Obviously, as with any other prophecy (Azor Ahai) it could wind up being any of a number of people. But Cersei has branded Jamie a traitor and ordered his execution. He can't exactly walk into King's Landing and be welcomed by his sister. And I think his love for Brienne is real, and he now realizes there is life after Cersei.
I'm conflicted about Jon at this point. His plot purpose seems to be to save Westeros. He's done that against the Night King. He's never wanted anything to do with politics, so I think in the end, he's going to side with whoever he thinks will be the best leader of the 7 kingdoms, but he's not going to take the Iron Throne for himself.
Bran could have done that, easily. Sam has been kinda useless considering how much screen time he got throughout this series. With all the crying and cowering he’s done I figured that would lead up to him having a heroic moment. Still 2 eps left.
I would love to see that, but it’s tough to envision him choking her out with her pregnant with his kid.
Didn’t the prophecies also say she would only have 3 kids? Maybe that will come true if she dies before she gives birth.
I agree with what you said, but none of Jamie’s reasoning made logical sense to me that episode. I need to rewatch.
Tyrion is also her younger brother but I agree Jamie should be the one to do it.
Dany is showing that she’s not fit to lead more and more with every episode.
I think that after they wrote the entirety of season 8, Benioff and Weiss looked at each other and said, "freak, we forgot about Bronn." That's about how well his scenes have fit into the narrative. I would have preferred Tyrion received a raven that said, "Bronn had to go back to his home planet, the end."
100% agree.
The lack of Bran is annoying too. Besides the Night King scene - where he pretty much sat there and looked mysterious - 2 of his biggest scenes ended up going to cutscenes before he said anything of importance. I can’t complain too much because there’s an obvious time crunch, it just feels like he has been very underutilized since returning to Winterfell.
I think that after they wrote the entirety of season 8, Benioff and Weiss looked at each other and said, "freak, we forgot about Bronn." That's about how well his scenes have fit into the narrative. I would have preferred Tyrion received a raven that said, "Bronn had to go back to his home planet, the end."
100% agree.
The lack of Bran is annoying too. Besides the Night King scene - where he pretty much sat there and looked mysterious - 2 of his biggest scenes ended up going to cutscenes before he said anything of importance. I can’t complain too much because there’s an obvious time crunch, it just feels like he has been very underutilized since returning to Winterfell.
For an episode that seemed content to focus on melodrama, it's bizarre that they chose to cut out the Stark girls' and Tyrion's responses to The News. I think it's because Sophie Turner is a excrement actress and she doesn't have the range for either scene.
The responses would have been interesting but in terms of TV writing there is really no benefit with showing the same scene three times between different groups of actors when they are all going to have the same reactions.Pretty much dead on.
Initial response: Holy excrement!
Second response: You are/he is a threat to Daenerys' claim!
What was more important was what happened with the information afterwards:
-Dany tells him that she cannot abide a challenger, her crown is the most important thing to her.
-Sansa realizes that the information is valuable enough to potentially knock Danny off of the thrown and that giving it to Tyrion will ensure that it gets into the right peoples' ears.
-Varys, also worried about Danny's possibly deteriorating mental well-being realizes Jon/Aegon would be a better option since he's not a spiteful, bitter poopchute despite everything that has happened to him and would likely be more accepted due to being the true-born son of Rhegar.
The responses would have been interesting but in terms of TV writing there is really no benefit with showing the same scene three times between different groups of actors when they are all going to have the same reactions.
One of the show’s heroes single-handedly ended the existential climate threat with a clever knife trick — abruptly returning the storyline to a conventional tale of humans fighting among themselves for political power.
Lol, in Season 3, Ramsay kills 4 Bolton men while staging an “escape” for Theon, just to freak with him.
I don't think it's that big a deal (like the Starbucks cup) but the Game of Thrones director explained that it would have been prohibitively expensive to have Jon pet CGI Ghost before sending him off with Tormund.
Kinda a lame excuse, no reason to put that out there. Also prob means Ghost is done unless that’s a smokescreen
Varys is definitely planning something, but murder? Also, he has yet to die as Melisandre predicted.Book Varys has no qualms with murder
I don't think it's that big a deal (like the Starbucks cup) but the Game of Thrones director explained that it would have been prohibitively expensive to have Jon pet CGI Ghost before sending him off with Tormund.I've heard all the comments about how expensive it is, and I'm sure that would be accurate, but they just had an episode where Dany and Jon were fighting on dragons against an ice dragon.
Book Varys has no qualms with murder
I've heard all the comments about how expensive it is, and I'm sure that would be accurate, but they just had an episode where Dany and Jon were fighting on dragons against an ice dragon.
https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/game-of-thrones/2019/5/9/18537794/game-of-thrones-ending-too-quickly-pacing?__twitter_impression=true
This.
I still think the show is great and gets too much criticism, but I think a lot of the reasons for the criticism stems from the decision to make the last 2 seasons 7 and 6 episodes. That makes no sense when the seasons have traditionally been 10 episodes. How can there be the same attention to detail and intricate plot lines when they’re trying to wrap up the most important parts of the story in shortened seasons?
Damn, I didn't have an issue with the way things were going before I read that, and now I kind of do. I had no idea HBO was willing to give them a blank check to keep it going indefinitely.
Why not hand the series off, as the article says? I don't think it needs another 5 seasons like GRRM said, but it could've spent an entire season leading to the Battle of Winterfell and then another on the final war.
https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/game-of-thrones/2019/5/9/18537794/game-of-thrones-ending-too-quickly-pacing?__twitter_impression=true
This.
I still think the show is great and gets too much criticism, but I think a lot of the reasons for the criticism stems from the decision to make the last 2 seasons 7 and 6 episodes. That makes no sense when the seasons have traditionally been 10 episodes. How can there be the same attention to detail and intricate plot lines when they’re trying to wrap up the most important parts of the story in shortened seasons?
I would guess that perhaps Benioff and Weiss are a) smart enough to know that the time to be moving on to new projects is when their stock is at it's very highest and not off the back of a once successful show with waning audiences, and b) a bit sick of GoT having spent the last 13 years working exclusively on it.
It's definitely time for it to end; it would start losing audiences fairly soon. There are lots of diehards like you who would have loved an entire season leading up to the Battle of Winterfell and another for the Battle of Kings Landing, but there are equally plenty like me who would not. I'm honestly not sure I'd have kept going if this wasn't the final season, I can commit to another 6 episodes to see how it all ends but another two entire seasons would probably have been my point of saying "I don't care any more" and walking away.
I think Benioff and Weiss have got it about right.
i've felt this way for awhile. The additional time to the episodes isn't doing the show any justice either, which was the argument for a shortened season.
Honestly, I think you're seeing it like Heismanberg sees superhero movies. You may be fatigued, but the numbers show that the public is hungry for more.
They are until they're suddenly not. How many times are you really into a show and enjoying how it's developing and then suddenly it gets cancelled, and you say "WTF?" when you realise that other people weren't as into it as you? Of course there is still a huge audience for GoT - it's still appointment television in an on demand age and that's a rare thing - but when the inflection point comes, and it does for every show, it comes without warning and it comes quite hard. I'm very much of the view that Benioff and Weiss desperately want to end before that inflection point.
I had the same problem with Breaking Bad - seasons 3 and 4 dragged like anything and then they charged through season 5 like they were desperate to make last call. I suspect the showrunners had the same fear, except in the case of GoT they're on season 8 and that's way longer than most shows make it before the audiences find a new shiny thing to occupy their social media feeds and their Monday morning coffee conversations.
I understand that you think that I'm the minority in this view and maybe I am, but also bear in mind that our observations are often self selecting. I know that my view is shared by others because they've said so, but then we tend to befriend and listen to those with whom we share views.
@AaronNagler: Aaron Rodgers is going to be in Game of Thrones. Enjoy.
If GoT was waning in popularity, there wouldn't be 4 spinoffs being developed.
If JE made this point about the Walking Dead, i would absolutely agree.
I didn't say it's waning in popularity, I said that they're getting out before it does. The Walking Dead is a great example of what happens if you just keep pushing on.
My point is GoT is gaining additional momentum (if that's possible). Benioff & Weiss most likely want to move on to other projects. I don't think it has anything to do with "Well, we should end the story while we're on top of the mountain".
I think the last season should've been 10 episodes, bottom line. Tell the story properly instead of force feeding storyline conclusions due to time constraints.
I like that idea much more than Alio's suggestion of adding more seasons. I'd much rather they leave a few strands untied with the option of picking them up in a spinoff series.
I think that B&W are completely in control here. They want to be done and move on, and HBO wouldn't want to have to replace them for the last season. They pretty much get what they want.
My point is GoT is gaining additional momentum (if that's possible).
Yeah but it's a bubble, isn't it. This thing has been expanding on the force of sheer pop cultural momentum for some time, but there's a hollowness to that expansion because the quality of the product has been deteriorating. I think Badger said it somewhere that the show's been running on fan service fumes for quite some time. I still find it satisfying, but it went from gourmet meal to sugar high for me around season five.
Sugar high but still better than 99% of television. Still think GRR Martin is more to blame than the show runners
Yeah but it's a bubble, isn't it. This thing has been expanding on the force of sheer pop cultural momentum for some time, but there's a hollowness to that expansion because the quality of the product has been deteriorating. I think Badger said it somewhere that the show's been running on fan service fumes for quite some time. I still find it satisfying, but it went from gourmet meal to sugar high for me around season five.
One of my coworkers binge watched the entire series since season 8 started. I walked in on her sitting in a dark conference room watching the Battle of Winterfell on her lunch break.
If I were Emilia Clarke or Peter Dinklage, I'd be furious. They turned the most regal character and the wittiest character, respectively, into a blood thirsty villain and a hopeless idiot in the span of five episodes.
They turned Jamie from a good guy into a bad guy like 1.5 episodes
That was truly awful television and it may have completely ruined the entire series for me.
"Let's just hurry up and end this thing..."
“I’m the man that killed Jaime Lannister”
One of the worst lines in a very long time
He was there because they felt they needed a new Ramsey. He was garbage and served no purpose at all other than a device of the writers to manipulate the story. Last episode he sneezed and killed a dragon this episode lol he was toast in the blink of an eye. .
“I’m the man that killed Jaime Lannister”
One of the worst lines in a very long time
Completely ruined Hodor’s character arc
Thank goodness you all feel the way you do. I was afraid I was going to be the contrarian in here again.
That was absolute garbage. It replaced years worth of storytelling with an hour of spectacle.
Most of you know how I feel about LOST. Last night Game of Thrones replaced LOST for me. I really don't even care what happens next week anymore.
Thank goodness you all feel the way you do. I was afraid I was going to be the contrarian in here again.
That was absolute garbage. It replaced years worth of storytelling with an hour of spectacle.
Most of you know how I feel about LOST. Last night Game of Thrones replaced LOST for me. I really don't even care what happens next week anymore.
Thank goodness you all feel the way you do. I was afraid I was going to be the contrarian in here again.
That was absolute garbage. It replaced years worth of storytelling with an hour of spectacle.
Most of you know how I feel about LOST. Last night Game of Thrones replaced LOST for me. I really don't even care what happens next week anymore.
Other than some slightly clunky writing (as Heismanberg said, Euron washing up on shore in front of Jaime is a perfect example), I really don't understand why people are so upset. Are you really surprised and upset because it looks like we're not going to finish up with a big royal wedding and cherry blossoms and they all lived happily ever after?
With no legitimate claim to the throne and too many people who know it, what alternative does Dany have here? Whose story arc are you really upset about?
I am with you. I want to give up on it but I will watch and probably only care about episode 1,2,3 this season.
Oh, Missandei was executed 3 days ago and Dany hasn't eaten the past 2. Time for a murderous rampage!
I wouldn't watch next week to do my part to hurt the ratings if my wife didn't already say "I've invested this much time into it, so I'm going to see how it ends."
I don’t know, man.
My pizza turns into a monster if she’s hungry.
You wouldn’t hurt their ratings.
It's not the arcs that bother me, it's how they got there.
Again, I'm not saying it should have been 5 more seasons like GRRM said, but they squeezed Dany's heel turn into less screen time than a feature-length film.
Oh, Missandei was executed 3 days ago and Dany hasn't eaten the past 2. Time for a murderous rampage!
Cersei's final prophecy that the little brother's hands will be around her neck turned out to Jamie hugging her while the walls fell down on them?!
The answer to "Who killed Cersei" is nobody. Trash.
I don't think that Dany turning into a murderous conqueror is a sudden thing. We've seen her as the people's queen and saviour of the downtrodden, but she has only done that because it suited her purposes. She has spent the entire show laying waste to all who stand between her and what she believes to be her rightful destiny, and anyone who doesn't accept her as their queen is destroyed.
Now, just as it's finally within her grasp she has discovered that it's not her rightful destiny after all, but she has spent her entire life pursuing it. She's not going to just shrug her shoulders and bend the knee to Jon, so she's doing exactly what she has done throughout her entire time. She's destroying those who stand between her and control of the Seven Kingdoms. We've already seen the people closest to her conspiring to put Jon there, she doesn't have the time to slow down and take a strategic approach and without Tyrion to plan it for her or Jorah to keep her on an even keel, she's going full on death mental.
It's exactly the right speed, IMO.
Cersei was a coward who always used other people to do her dirty work. She got exactly the ending she deserved - an impersonal death while she was running away.
There are people who feel like you do. That she's shown signs of this in the past (and the empty throne room scene from the Warlock tower being ash instead of snow). But that ignores some of the facts of her history.
The battle was done. The Lannister army had laid down their weapons. Had she flew over to the Red Keep and burned it to the ground, it would've been in-character for Danaerys. She's long burned alive her enemies and those in power that she contested.
Last night she incinerated innocent people. Her people. Her BFF was beheaded a few days ago, so suddenly she's a genocidal tyrant?
That's just a singular example of the pee poor writing last night. It's clear Weiss and Benioff were done spending time on this series and just wanted to get it over with.
No. She didn't incinerate them because she's mad about Missandei, although that doesn't help. She incinerated them because she knew she could never be their queen, because too many people know that the throne doesn't belong to her. So she has a choice - give up her quest for the throne, or destroy it and all of its subjects. Kings Landing is the home of Tyrion and Varys, both of whom have betrayed her. Tyrion begged her to spare the people when they surrendered, but that was because he wanted her to spare her subjects. They are not and can never be her subjects, so they're her enemy. And she destroys her enemies.
But fans deserved more. They could've improved the scene even by simply having it be wildfire that killed them. Though the end of her story also discarded all the character growth Jamie experienced over the years. But whatever. He pushed Bran out a window, so what goes around comes around, right?
That's your own conjecture. Mine is that you could see on her face all she was thinking about as she perched there on Drogon was vengeance.
It would have been fine if it had been a build up. At least a few weeks' worth. I'm not going to calculate the exact number of minutes between the time the Night King exploded and the time she went genocidal, but it was less than 2 hours of screen time, and hell, maybe a week of Westerosian time for all we know with the time-traveling BS.
I'm glad you liked the episode. Seriously. But you've been adamant that you didn't like all the intertwining storylines, so your position on how it played out is in direct opposition to what I enjoyed about the show to this point. It's no wonder we feel opposite about the episode.
Thank goodness you all feel the way you do. I was afraid I was going to be the contrarian in here again.
That was absolute garbage. It replaced years worth of storytelling with an hour of spectacle.
Most of you know how I feel about LOST. Last night Game of Thrones replaced LOST for me. I really don't even care what happens next week anymore.
Cleganebowl was atrocious. We waited years just to watch the Hound dive into an inferno.
Cersei's final prophecy that the little brother's hands will be around her neck turned out to Jamie hugging her while the walls fell down on them?!
The answer to "Who killed Cersei" is nobody. Trash.
You do realize that the Hound tried everything to kill the Mountain, but he wouldn't die. Sacrificing himself into that fiery inferno was his only recourse.
There are people who feel like you do. That she's shown signs of this in the past (and the empty throne room scene from the Warlock tower being ash instead of snow). But that ignores some of the facts of her history.
The battle was done. The Lannister army had laid down their weapons. Had she flew over to the Red Keep and burned it to the ground, it would've been in-character for Danaerys. She's long burned alive her enemies and those in power that she contested.
Last night she incinerated innocent people. Her people. Her BFF was beheaded a few days ago, so suddenly she's a genocidal tyrant?
That's just a singular example of the pee poor writing last night. It's clear Weiss and Benioff were done spending time on this series and just wanted to get it over with.
I predicted that the Hound would kill the Mountain by pushing him into a giant fire years ago. Say what you will about the battle or the Mountain’s appearance, but the Hound’s character arc was just fine.
You mad cause your Jamie Lannister prediction was wrong
Idk how you watched the episode last week and interpreted that as Jamie leaving to go kill her
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All of those things listed were examples of her burning her direct enemies. Last night she burned innocent men, women, and children.
She said she wanted to burn KL at least 2-3 times the past few seasons
Alio, are you a man of science or a man of faith?
Alio, are you a man of science or a man of faith?
Here's why the "Mad Queen" thing is bullshit.
Dany was never crazy. She didn't cackle when she burnt Dickon. She didn't masturbate when she crucified the masters. Messandei never walked in on her talking to herself and making racecars out of her own excrement.
She was brutal, to be sure, and that brutality was tempered by her now-dead advisers. But that's not madness. Dickon deserved to be executed, the masters deserved to be crucified, and everything she's done throughout the show, including walking into a damned inferno and eating a horse's heart, had a logical motivation behind it.
Cut to last night. She has won. King's Landing is hers. The Seven Kingdoms are hers. The city's civilians are hers now, the downtrodden are hers to uplift, the wheel is hers to break.
Then she decides to murder 1,000,000 innocent people.
It's not a Mad Queen turn. It's a Stupid Queen turn. She just lost the monarchy and moral high ground that she fought her entire life to gain.
It isn't even a Mad King move. Aerys was freaking mad - proper, laughing-at-torture, foot-long-fingernails mad - but the only reason he decided to burn King's Landing is because he had just lost King's Landing, he had just lost Westeros, and if he couldn't have them, no one would. Not even he was illogical enough to do what Danerys just did.
It's a stupid turn for a character who has never been stupid. It's the same turn we've seen in Tyrion, who has become a laughably irrelevant, outrageously stupid character. It's because it takes clever writers to write clever characters, and Game of Thrones has none.
Alio, are you a man of science or a man of faith?
Here's why the "Mad Queen" thing is bullshit.
Dany was never crazy. She didn't cackle when she burnt Dickon. She didn't masturbate when she crucified the masters. Messandei never walked in on her talking to herself and making racecars out of her own excrement.
She was brutal, to be sure, and that brutality was tempered by her now-dead advisers. But that's not madness. Dickon deserved to be executed, the masters deserved to be crucified, and everything she's done throughout the show, including walking into a damned inferno and eating a horse's heart, had a logical motivation behind it.
Cut to last night. She has won. King's Landing is hers. The Seven Kingdoms are hers. The city's civilians are hers now, the downtrodden are hers to uplift, the wheel is hers to break.
Then she decides to murder 1,000,000 innocent people.
It's not a Mad Queen turn. It's a Stupid Queen turn. She just lost the monarchy and moral high ground that she fought her entire life to gain.
It isn't even a Mad King move. Aerys was freaking mad - proper, laughing-at-torture, foot-long-fingernails mad - but the only reason he decided to burn King's Landing is because he had just lost King's Landing, he had just lost Westeros, and if he couldn't have them, no one would. Not even he was illogical enough to do what Danerys just did.
It's a stupid turn for a character who has never been stupid. It's the same turn we've seen in Tyrion, who has become a laughably irrelevant, outrageously stupid character. It's because it takes clever writers to write clever characters, and Game of Thrones has none.
Cut to last night. She has won. King's Landing is hers. The Seven Kingdoms are hers. The city's civilians are hers now, the downtrodden are hers to uplift, the wheel is hers to break.
Then she decides to murder 1,000,000 innocent people.
It's not a Mad Queen turn. It's a Stupid Queen turn. She just lost the monarchy and moral high ground that she fought her entire life to gain.
Except she hasn't. She was on the precipice of gaining it all, and then Jon fucked everything up by telling his sister who the rightful monarch is, who then told Tyrion, who then told Varys, who then immediately set about trying to make sure that the rightful heir took her throne before she even sits on it.
She is not and can not be the monarch while they live, she will only ever be a usurper. She's been driven by the purity of the knowledge that this is her birthright, and now it's gone. Her entire life's purpose has been ripped away from her by the man she thought she loved and who claims to love her, but can not or will not.
And here would have been a perfectly adequate heel turn for Daenerys: kill Jon Snow. Have Sansa killed. Have Arya killed. A Michael Corleone-esque settling of all business would have made much more sense, it would have been a ruthlessly smart, classic-GoT move, it would have been shocking, it would have checked all the boxes. And I really don't give a excrement about the feminist angle here, but "Heart-Broken Woman Goes Crazy, Turns Villain" has got to be one of the tiredest, laziest tropes in all of drama.
Actor Ian McElhinney, who played Barristan Selmy on Game of Thrones until the character was killed off in 2015, claimed at a convention called Epic Con back in April that Martin has already completed the final two books, and he agreed to wait and publish them after the show finished:
“George has already written Books 6 and 7, and as far as he’s concerned there only are seven books. But he struck an agreement with David and Dan, the showrunners on the series, that he would not publish the final two books until the series has completed. So if all goes well, in another month or two we might get Books 6 and 7, and I’m intrigued to know how Barristan, for instance, ends up going through those final two books. George, I talked to him during Season 1 and he did say to me that Barristan had a very interesting journey. But unfortunately I didn’t get to play all of that, so we’ll have to wait and see.”
The last episode should just be Tormund and Brienne freaking each other for an hour. Roll credits.
The last episode should just be Tormund and Brienne freaking each other for an hour. Roll credits.
• 106 - Viserys, after seeing how much the Dothraki love Daenerys, becomes jealous and tries to run away saying “Who can rule without wealth or fear or love.” (Daenerys well echo this sentiment in 804 and 805)
• 204 – Daenerys “When my dragons are grown… we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground.”
• 206 – Daenerys “I will take what is mine with fire and blood.”
• 207 - Cersei Lannister “Half the Targaryens went mad, didn't they? What's the saying? "Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin."
• 210 – Daenerys has a vision of a destroyed throne room. She reaches out to the throne but never touches it.
• 303 – Daenerys when speaking about her brother Rhaegar “…he was not the last dragon.”
• 404 - Daenerys executes 163 Meereenese noblemen. In 406 we learn some of these men were innocent. Daenerys shows absolutely no regret.
• 405 – Daenerys speaking with Jorah. “You counseled me against rashness once in Qarth. I didn’t listen. It all worked out well.”
• 407 – Jorah tells Daenerys “The masters treated men like beasts, as you said. Herding the masters into pens and slaughtering them by the thousands is also treating men like beasts.” Reminding her “I wouldn't be here to help you if Ned Stark had done to me what you want to do to the masters of Yunkai.”
• 407 – Daenerys “They can live in my new world or they can die in their old one.”
• 505 – Daenerys executes an innocent Meereenese nobleman for the sole purpose of intimidating the other nobles.
• 508 – Daenerys “I’m not going to stop the wheel. I’m going to break the wheel.”
• 604 – Daenerys murders the leaders of the Dothraki for the sole purpose of consolidating power.
• 606 – Dario to Daenerys “You weren’t made to sit on a chair in a palace. You’re a conquer, Daenerys Stormborn.”
• 606 – Daenerys to the Dothraki “Will you kill my enemies in their iron suits and tear down their stone houses?”
• 609 – Speaking about the masters Daenerys swears to “Kill every one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt.” Tyrion responds “You once told me you knew what your father was. Did you know his plans for King’s Landing?” Daenerys “This is entirely different!” Tyrion “You’re talking about destroying cities. It’s not entirely different.”
• 702 – Yara Greyjoy, Olenna Tyrell, and Ellaria Sand all try to convince Daenerys to use her dragons on King’s Landing. Tyrion convinces her to do otherwise. (This is important as Tyrion’s plans fail, and his repeated failures show Daenerys there’s no other option)
• 702 - Olenna Tyrell “Commoners and nobles are all children really. They won’t obey you unless they fear you.” And later. “You’re a dragon. Be a dragon.”
• 704 – After news of her army’s defeat at Casterly Rock, Daenerys questions Tyrion’s plans and his loyalty.
• 704 – Daenerys “Enough with the clever plans. I have 3 large dragons. I’m going to fly them to the red keep.”
• 705 – Daenerys executes Randal and Dickon Tarly when imprisonment was a perfectly viable option.
• 705 – Tyrion “Daenerys is not her father.” Varys “And she never will be with the right counsel. You need to find a way to make her listen.”
• 705 – Tyrion devises a convoluted plan to capture a wight to convince Cersi to help fight the night King. Over the rest of seasons 7 and 8 this plan goes horribly wrong and results in the death of a dragon. The failure of this plan further degrades Daenerys’ trust of Tyrion.
• 801 – Lyanna Mormon publically confronts Jon Snow about giving up his crown and swearing allegiance to Daenerys. This is the beginning of Daenerys’ realization that she has no love in Westeros.
• 802 – Daenerys is angry that Tyrion’s advice about Cersei turned out to be wrong. Saying “Either you are a traitor or a fool.” And “Cersei still sits on the throne. If you can’t help me take it back I will find another Hand who can.”
• 803 – Jorah is killed in battle. He has proven to be one of the few advisors Daenerys had that tried to temper her impulses.
• 804 – Daenerys sees people praising Jon Snow and becomes jealous.
• 804 – Tormund “What kind of person climbs on a freaking dragon? A madman, or a king!” (I’d like to point out when Tormund says “madman” it cuts to a shot of Dany, and when he says “or a king!” it cuts to Jon)
• 804 – Speaking about Jorah to Jon, Daenerys “He loved me and I couldn’t love him back. Not the way he wanted. Not the way I love you.” (Her love for Jon is not returned in 805)
• 804 – Daenerys “I saw them gathered around you. I saw the way they looked at you. I know that look. So many people have looked at me that way but never here.”
• 804 – Varys “These are the people you came here to protect. Do not destroy the city you came to save…” Daenerys “I’m here to save the world fromy tyrants… and I will serve it, no matter the cost.”
• 804 - Daenerys “Speaking to Cersei will not prevent a slaughter. But perhaps its good the people see Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down on them.” (We should note she is directly talking about “The People” here)
• 804 – Missandei’s final words before her execution. “Dracarys”.
• 805 – Varys “They say every time a Targaryen is born, the Gods toss a coin and the world holds its breath.”
• 805 – Daenerys speaking to Jon “Far more people in Westeros love you than love me. I don’t have love here. I only have fear.”
• 805 – After a half hearted kiss with Jon, Daenerys says “Alright then. Let it be fear.” (Echoing what Viserys said in 106)
• 805 – Tyrion “The people who live there, they’re not your enemies. They’re innocents.” Daenerys “Your sister knows how to use their enemies weaknesses against them. That’s what she thinks our mercy is. Our mercy is our strength. Our mercy toward future generations who will not be held hostage by a tyrant.” (She’s all but saying she’s not going to show mercy and will butcher everyone in the city)
• 805 – Daenerys to Tyrion. “Next time your fail me will be the last time you fail me.”
And that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head.
Here’s the point. Daenerys threatened multiple times to burn cities to the ground, she executed/murdered innocent people numerous times to consolidate power, she realized without love all she has left to rule with was fear, and she grew to distrust the only advisor trying to prevent her from burning down King’s landing.
She wasn’t “acting out of character” at any point in 805. She literally did the thing she’s threatened to do for multiple seasons.
And that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head.
I shall be slightly sad when this season ends, the anguished tears of disappointed nerds are becoming a highlight of my week.
You've spent a sizable portion of your Monday arguing the motivations of an imaginary dragon queen, JE. Gooble gobble...It has been entertaining. I don't know what people were expecting.
Fuckouttahere
Was Varys trying to poison Dany?
“She is not eating”
Kid comments on how all the soldiers are watching her.
“The greater the risk the greater the reward”
“Go on now, you’ll be missed in the kitchen”
Guy writes a hundred lines of Danaerys stating she was going to murder all her enemies if they didn't accept her rule but that she always relents when it would be innocent people caught in the crossfire, and list times she killed opposing rulers who were her stated enemies.
All to defend that she murdered a million innocent citizens of a city that had already surrendered.
But yeah, totally in character for her.
It’s almost like it was a turning point.
I get it. It’s not the way you wanted her character to turn out. It’s really not hard to see the evolution for me.
In fact, if we want to bring her own quotes into it, she specifically told Lady Olenna that she didn't want to rule a kingdom of ashes. Welp.
But I don't think it was a legitimate one.
Again, 90 minutes before burning down King's Landing, she was a hero of Winterfell.
This is driving me crazy because it's so off-base and everyone who is okay with the episode keeps saying it. I don't care how the character turns out. Honestly, apart from Jon and Tyrion, there isn't a character whose ending I truly "care" about. I want the two of them to survive (and thrive) in the end, but I don't care what happens with or to anyone else.
But I care how every character gets there. Jamie's character arc took him on a journey of personal growth and redemption, right until he spontaneously decided to go back to Cersei. Arya was dead set on not returning from her mission to King's Landing to murder Cersei, right until the Hound told her to go home. Dany defended the innocent from tyrants, right until she decided to burn them alive even after they accepted her.
It's the abruptness of the character turns in "The Bells" that bothers me, not the result. Had Dany become the Mad Queen over the natural course of at least a few episodes, preferably a full season, I'd have embraced it. But the foreshadowing didn't point to this. In fact, if we want to bring her own quotes into it, she specifically told Lady Olenna that she didn't want to rule a kingdom of ashes. Welp.
I’m not going to defend the writing, which clearly has been bad lately. I’m also obviously not going to defend the decision to make shortened seasons, which clearly is one of the main reasons the quality of the show has suffered. There was way, way to much to unpack in 6 freaking episodes. What’d GRR say, the show should have run another 3+ seasons?
The writers had an ending envisioned, and wrote the story backwards from the endpoint. This should have been done over the course of at least 2, 10 episode seasons, and they fucked up the moment they decided to do this condensed season bullshit.
IMO, there were going to be 2 possible endgame outcomes- what happened, or someone killing Dany before she got to sit on the throne. I didn’t really think she was going to beat Cersei, take the throne, Jon Snow continues to be her lapdog, everyone in Westeros would decide to like her and and everything would be just peachy. That would have been out of character for this show moreso than any issues with the current plot.
I'm fine with Dany as mad queen. I just don't buy her snapping there and mowing down innocents for no reason. It would be one thing if she had to burn innocents on the way to Cersei or something and there was some gray area.
She literally murdered the same people she'd sacrificed large parts of her army for just weeks before.
Why do you keep ignoring the key point about that? It's like you've decided your narrative and then stuck your fingers in your ears.
Because your point completely ignores the fact that she had won.
Weis and Benioff specifically said she spontaneously decided to raze King's Landing as she was staring at the Red Keep. After she won. They flat out admitted she had an instantaneous heel turn. If that's okay for you, great. But it doesn't work for me.
Don't have time to write a long opinion but I basically agree with JE and SFD.
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bozb3m/μeeting_the_game_of_thrones_crew/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x (https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/bozb3m/μeeting_the_game_of_thrones_crew/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x)
Not trying to nitpick, but casting is absolutely superb and GRR Martin is the main reason we’re in this mess.
Agree on both counts.
Not trying to nitpick, but casting is absolutely superb and GRR Martin is the main reason we’re in this mess.There's actually a post on /r/ASOIAF that does a good job demonstrating all the stuff in the books omitted by the show that would have laid a better foundation for E5 and the last 2 seasons in general.
There's actually a post on /r/ASOIAF that does a good job demonstrating all the stuff in the books omitted by the show that would have laid a better foundation for E5 and the last 2 seasons in general.
There's actually a post on /r/ASOIAF that does a good job demonstrating all the stuff in the books omitted by the show that would have laid a better foundation for E5 and the last 2 seasons in general.
Young Griff for ruler of the iron throne?
Christ the internet sucks. Clegaenbowl only happened because nerds on the internet suggested it? Nah man. I didn’t write the story but these guys were always supposed to battle to the death. No other narrative would have made much sense at all
Judging by how many Dothraki and Unsullied appeared to have been killed during Winterfell (all of them) versus how many appeared on screen during King's Landing (most of them), it's entirely possible that we learn on Sunday that Daenerys killed, like, 15 people.
Judging by how many Dothraki and Unsullied appeared to have been killed during Winterfell (all of them) versus how many appeared on screen during King's Landing (most of them), it's entirely possible that we learn on Sunday that Daenerys killed, like, 15 people.
^i really didn’t care for Cersei’s death at first, but after consideration, how she kept repeating “The Red Keep will never fall” and then it crushed her to death, I kinda liked it.
Episode after the BoW, they said they lost half of the Unsullied and half of the Dothraki. Wut. We saw the entire Dothraki force get snuffed out
A predictable climax that came way earlier than I was expecting, a number of outcomes that no one could have possibly predicted, a few things that didn’t make any logical sense within the universe of the show, several cheesy moments. Considering what we were working with I didn’t hate it.
Surprised that Dorne or the Iron Islands didn't say freak it and try to secede after Sansa did.
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Tyrion: the king shall be Bran the Broken
Bran: yeah actually just Bran is cool
Tyrion: Bran the busted up
Bran: ok or -
Tyrion: Bran the wheely wheely legs no feely
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Tyrion: You don’t want to be lord of Winterfell?
Bran: I don’t “want” anymore.
...
Tyrion: You want to be King of the whole excrement?
Bran: Shiiiit what you think I wheeled over here for my G! Where the Throne at?
@LizThorleyAZ:
A lot of the disappointed reactions on this website about #BranStark #GameofThrones remind me why we live in a society with so few maintainable opportunities for disabled people
Speaking with 60 Minutes, the 70-year-old author said: “I don’t think [Game of Thrones show-runners] Dan and Dave’s ending is gonna be that different from my ending because of the conversations we did have.
“We’re talking here about several days of story conferences taking place in my home in Santa Fe, New Mexico.”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D8zCIOknJMs
The foreshadowing in this clip is chilling. It applies to Jon Snow multiple times throughout the series, but I also think we saw it play out during the last episode during the Bells sequence. Jon’s Duty is to the realm and it’s people. Also funny how Aemon refused the iron throne (like Snow) and everyone ended up with the mad king.
Sam Tarly proposing a Democratic vote and getting laughed off the platform was the best part of the episode.
“Maybe my horse should get a vote lulz”
Now all of you assholes can watch Barry now.
Edmure Tully getting told to take a seat was up thereSo was rebuilding the brothels before the fleet.
I really liked most stuff in that ending. How did the Unsullied know that Jon killed Dany though? There was no one else there and then the dragon flew away with her body. "Dunno mate, she said she was going out to meet a couple of mates for a glass or two of Prosecco, have you tried texting her?" Would probably have done the job.Because Jon loves honor and duty and honesty and all that excrement.
Loved Jon's ending though. The subtext I saw but which none of the early stories appear to have picked up on is that Bran had to be seen to be punishing him, but in reality was giving him what he really wanted by sending him to live in the only place he was ever truly happy.
I want a spin off following Arya's adventures.
Big, and hilarious, if true.Gotta wonder why they did such a excrement job with Bran ever since he became the 3ER if they already knew he was going to become king.
Saw all of Barry and eh it's ok.
Awful ending to a mostly awful season.Too bad your wife was so invested
The entire series is now riddled with plot holes and Checkov's guns.Jon becoming King beyond the Wall is okay, and so is Sansa becoming Queen of the North. But as was said, why did Dorne just fall in line and why did Robbin Arryn suddenly become a not-psychopath and just shrug for King Bran?
- Bran can warg into Drogon to locate him, but he can't stop him from raining fire on a million innocent people?
- Drogon is just like, you killed my mama? Now I'm gonna melt the stupid throne and leave you here Jon.
- Where was the Prince that was Promised?
- Grey Worm and the Unsullied just said "Yeah, we out" without any measure of vengeance? GW was slitting the throats of soldiers just doing their duty, but he simply arrested Jon after murdering his queen?
I said previously that I didn't care how it ended as long as the storytelling was good. Well, the storytelling wasn't, but I don't think I'd have been sold on Lieutenant Bran on the throne regardless of any writing.
For me, this was a worse ending than LOST. At least LOST sucked for years before flopping on the finale.
Def not a worse ending than Lost and putting Lost in the same discussion is heresy
You ever think that maybe the Prince that was promised was a bunch of bullshit? A small percentage of the prophecies from this show ever came to fruition. Azor Ahai was barely mentioned in the show compared to the books. Melisandre was wrong about the half of the stuff she droned on about. She spent 3 seasons proclaiming Stannis as the chosen one and she was likely his downfall.
Jon Snow is the closest you were going to get to the prince that was promised. There was never any sword called Lightbringer. He plunged a blade into the heart of his “wife” and saved the world from darkness. Close enough. Would you have had Melisandre’s ghost pop out and proclaim “there he is, Jon Snow, the prince that was promised”?
Biggest disappointment for me was the condensed seasons/ending, and I think that’s where a ton of the frustration stems from. When you consider their (self imposed) episode limit, I don’t think the outcome was as bad as some of the hyperbole out there. I didnt mind most of the direction of the main plot lines, but the execution in some places left a lot to be desired. Not every detail was going to get explained when you only had time to wrap up the main stories.
Based on GRR’s comments, I think you basically needed at least a season of:
1) Winterfell/Night King
2) Cersei/Kings Landing/Dany’s turn
3) Mad Queen/Jon Snow and the aftermath
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/br2t0z/this_video_of_an_alternate_ending_wins_the/
turn the volume up
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-48280752
My prediction:
People will have GOT level expectations, and complain the entire course of the series when the characters, acting and plot aren’t as good.
My prediction:
People will have GOT level expectations, and complain the entire course of the series when the characters, acting and plot aren’t as good.
Or be so mad at the original series that they refuse to even watch the prequel series but end up watching it anyway because their wives want to.Basically.
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/br2t0z/this_video_of_an_alternate_ending_wins_the/
turn the volume up
So my 2 cents of the finale and the season:
Season 1-6 were as good as television gets , imo. My favorite show of all time is Breaking Bad, and after GoT's first 6 seasons I was thinking, "daaaamn, is this show going to surpass BB as the best ever?"
Everyone who posted in this thread and watched the show will give the prequel a chance. Let's be serious.Can't really disagree with any point here.
Even as poor as the writing was down the stretch, we'll all give the new show a shot.
And for as poor as the writing was, it still was a visually stunning show. Down the stretch, you needed to ignore some plot holes in order to get full enjoyment, but it was still entertaining. I hated the way they did the Dany heel turn, but it was still gripping television, even if I was rolling my eyes.
Season 5 was where it all went wrong, the storyline with Arya was mindbendingly freaking tedious and they spent way too long following Stannis whose story was dull and ultimately pointless.
I saw the point made yesterday that the reality of the ending is that Tyrion is actually who won. The power behind the throne is more important than the person sitting on it. That makes me a little happier about the way it played out, but still, it doesn't excuse the terrible writing.
I have to disagree with the idea that the visuals were enough to forgive the plot holes. It really goes beyond plot holes too. It was the clearly rushed stories. Everything that happened should have happened more slowly--that was the key to the early success of the show. I used to complain about "filler" episodes until I had to walk it back when those slow-burn scenes played out to a grand conclusion.
My coworkers have the absolute worst takes on why they don't like the ending.
"Jon Snow should have just agreed with Dany so they could reign together"
wat
I'm pretty sure if the writers granted your every wish, you would've found something else to bitch about.
Did they leave a bunch of Chekov's guns lying around? Absolutely. Did they rush their ending and leave plot threads hanging and make overly sudden plot turns? Clearly.
There's really no need to be a dick.
Plot holes are plot holes. Rushing the story to get it out the door was the artist's choice they decided to make. When you put your work out for public consumption, you do it with the expectation that it will endure criticism.
Did they make an epic show? Yes. Did they convert the intricate plot weavings of another writer to TV well? For years, yes. Was it a visual masterpiece? Certainly.
Did they leave a bunch of Chekov's guns lying around? Absolutely. Did they rush their ending and leave plot threads hanging and make overly sudden plot turns? Clearly.
I've said it before, I didn't have any "wishes" for the ending*, other than really great storytelling to get there. If the series would've ended after the Battle of Winterfell, I'd have likely have left overwhelmingly happy and forgiving of things left hanging at that point. But the Battle of Winterfell and the Battle of King's Landing could've been two complete seasons, and by not doing so, there was a lot of storytelling missed.
*I wanted Jon and Tyrion to survive the end, and to lesser degrees Arya and Sam, but even if they'd died, had it made sense for the story, I'd have been okay with it.
You keep talking about Chekhov's Gun like it's an immutable rule of storytelling, but that's not the case and especially not in a huge sprawling world building exercise like GoT.
Well, it didn't go your way. The series as whole was still awesome, and i thought the ending was great. Was it perfect? Nope...but that's life.
The series as whole was still awesome, and i thought the ending was great. Was it perfect? Nope...but that's life.
I kinda-sorta agree with this. I was happy with the ending and where everyone ended up, esp Jon north of the wall with Wildlings, that was perfect imo.
I'm just bummed that the final 13 episodes didn't live up to the super-high bar set by the previous seasons (again, I loved seasons 1-6).
Like the final 4 episodes would have been an entire season if they wanted to continue at their elite standard, rather than rush things.
It was unlikely that it would match Breaking Bad in my book, but it was on a path to be my personal #2 Best Show Ever, and it dropped the ball for that. BUT I'm still a huge fan and think it was a phenomenal achievement. Season 1 is probably the best initial season of a show I've ever seen.
(Total sidenote: for a satisfying and great final season, I HIGHLY recommend Veep. This month it solidified itself as the Best Comedy Ever in my mind.)
I'm really tired of this "it didn't go your way so stop whining" nonsense. One more time, there was no "my way" for it to go. Other than being a well-told cohesive story.
I'm a big fan of not telling others how they should have fun or enjoy something. And I haven't done that here. I can not enjoy a thing that someone else does, explain why I didn't, and not tell them they're wrong or expect them to agree with me.
It's great that you enjoyed the ending. I'm truly glad for you, and anyone like you. Why does it matter to you that I didn't get the same feeling for myself? I'm simply critiquing the show based on my observations/POV, just like I do with everything else. I don't understand what the point of a message board is, if not to do that.
I keep meaning to watch Veep but not getting round to it. I assume I'll like it as the greatest TV show ever made, contrary to Gorilla's erroneous assertions, is The West Wing, and I've always had a crush on JLD.
Settle down. I didn't attack you, nor did i tell you how to enjoy a tv show. What i did say was that the show was entertaining, despite your gripes...and there's nothing you can do to change the outcome. The show isn't perfect, i'm not sure what you expected...but you sound like those lunatics on twitter that want to rewrite the whole season.
"I didn't attack you"
"You sound like a Twitter lunatic"
"I didn't tell you how to enjoy a show"
"It was entertaining despite your gripes"
Seriously though, no I can't change the outcome. But I can talk about the show, and be critical of it. That's the beauty of art and literature, they don't simply invite criticism and discussion, they're enhanced by them.
In fact, my whole point of coming back into the thread this morning was to talk about how the angle of Tyrion "winning" changes some of my perception of the ending. It doesn't excuse the headlong rush to the finish line, but it functions better within the narrative than Bran's installation as king.
But I still can't understand why Yara and Dornish Prince Exwhyzee didn't say "If Sansa gets her own kingdom, so do we."
Everyone's grouchiness towards the ending of the show brings joy to the fact that I turned down everyone's demand for "needing to watching it"
I'd recommend it too, even given my issues with it. It was fantastic.
I wouldn't at all call it "overly long" though.
You may not, but it was. A couple of those seasons dragged like freak. Your biggest complaint is that too many loose ends weren't tied up; mine would be that they didn't need to present them in the first place. So much of it was pretty irrelevant to the main storyline and/or assumed knowledge not presented in the actual show. It was really baggy at points, with about a hundred named characters kicking around and being referenced. I want an entertainment show, not a reworking of the history of the Tudors.
I keep meaning to watch Veep but not getting round to it. I assume I'll like it as the greatest TV show ever made, contrary to Gorilla's erroneous assertions, is The West Wing, and I've always had a crush on JLD.
Not worth a new thread.
The GoT prequel series already filmed its pilot but was just canceled by HBO.
today just keeps getting better and better
I guess depending on how you feel about Weiss/Benioff and Star Wars, that's another one. (They have bailed on their Star Wars commitment to concentrate on their Netflix contract.)
They should have gotten their money while they can, they're freaking hacks.
I wish hbo would just sell the rights to a spinoff to someone else.Triggered much, snowflake?
All they wanna do is make political bullshit
Triggered much, snowflake?
Apparently the prequel based on Fire & Blood is still a go
Yeah, supposedly it's because there is more actual source material to draw from already rather than making it up as they go along--which was the plan with the now-canceled Naomi Watts led show.
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I have to confess, after half a year of pandemic, I am showing signs of cabin fever. If nothing else, the enforced isolation has helped me write. I am spending long hours every day on THE WINDS OF WINTER, and making steady progress. https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2020/
I need to know if Nimble Dick Crabb is ok. The biggest loose end in the books.
LFG
I need to know if Nimble Dick Crabb is ok. The biggest loose end in the books.Dick Crabb gonna give it to Lady Stoneheart in the bum....tune in at 11
LFG
Game of Thrones
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Dragons are coming.
#HouseoftheDragon begins production in 2021.
Sounds stupid. Won't watch."Bewbs" -Mb
Sounds stupid. Won't watch.Loss4u
10 years since ADWD came out.
Winds of Winter not being finished yet has to be some literary crime by now
He's 72 and worth $120M. Why would he waste what time he has left trying to appease nerds when he can spend it surrounded by top quality hookers and pharmaceuticals?
Because the story isn't finished yet.
That doesn't answer my point. Why should he care? He's rich and old. Would you rather sit in front of a computer making up gibberish names for nerds on the internet to complain about, or sit on the deck of a party yacht with a glass of champagne, a rolled up fifty and a pneumatic 23 year old in a bikini?
you didn't read my entire post.
He's still writing other novels....GRRM has zero excuses and deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison for this infraction.
Doesn't need an excuse. Old and rich. Can do whatever the freak he wants. Maybe he's just bored of the whole GoT thing and isn't interested in it any more.
Again...you're wrong. He recently wrote Fire & Blood, and will be the material for the House of the Dragon on HBO.His main hooker actually wrote it.
Try again.
Again...you're wrong. He recently wrote Fire & Blood, and will be the material for the House of the Dragon on HBO.
Try again.
So you're not mad that he's not making nerd juice any more, you're mad that he's not making your preferred flavour of nerd juice.Finish the job you started....
Finish the job you started....
Someone pays me $120M for doing half a job you can be pretty sure I'm not bothering with the rest of it.That's because you're an unreliable hack.
This thread is worse than season 8
THE NERDS NEED CLOSURE, GOD DAMN IT!!!!
or sit on the deck of a party yacht with a glass of champagne, a rolled up fifty and a pneumatic 23 year old in a bikini?
I find it odd that he would devalue what is actually his greatest work so much. To start out with such a rich and powerful story and then shove it on the back burner seems incongruous with the artist he is.Honestly it just seems like he's having trouble finishing the story and filling in everything that needs to happen before the conclusion.
THE NERDS NEED CLOSURE, GOD DAMN IT!!!!
Honestly it just seems like he's having trouble finishing the story and filling in everything that needs to happen before the conclusion.
Honestly it just seems like he's having trouble finishing the story and filling in everything that needs to happen before the conclusion.
Joseph Gatt arrested
https://www.whio.com/news/trending/game-thrones-actor-joseph-gatt-arrested-crimes-against-children/MWW2FQEPA5BBHP2GIX2EXZPW4Y/
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George R.R. Martin says watching #TheWhiteLotus S2 made him want to visit Sicily
"But I won’t, not until 'The Winds of Winter' is done and delivered, I promised"