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Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2017, 07:11:04 AM
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Only 3 weeks into the season so this is entirely too early, but oh well.
Darnold and Rosen are likely going 1 and 2 (my opinion, at this point in time)
Cleveland and San Fran would appear to have the inside track to those picks (once again, i know it’s week 4)
Josh Allen looks like hot doo doo. Start the Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph hype train?
Hopefully down the road this thread is us circle jerking to Darnold highlight reels, but I’m not holding my breath.
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I'm not too worried about SF winning games. That division is much worse than expected and they also play the bears and the afc south.
The browns are another story. Kizer should not be starting right now.
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There's a bunch of bad teams clustered together. Including us. It's anyone's guess what the hell happens.
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This is a good thread, but the discussion will be better in December when we have a better idea what the draft order will look like.
I have a feeling if SF lands the top pick, Darnold will declare for the draft so he can play in his backyard...otherwise he's going back to school. #soxxxfeeling
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This thread is 100% hypothesis at this point. But there is a very real scenario where we miss out on the top 2 picks and are selecting a lesser QB prospect or a different position
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This thread is 100% hypothesis at this point. But there is a very real scenario where we miss out on the top 2 picks and are selecting a lesser QB prospect or a different position
I don't think I'd be too bummed out if we ended up choosing one of Lamar Jackson/Mason Rudolph/Baker Mayfield if we missed out on Rosen/Darnold. Especially if we used our 1st rounder on someone like Saquon Barkley or that LT from Notre Dame who's last name I don't feel like typing.
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Praying we don't get stuck with another overrated USC stiff.
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Praying we don't get stuck with another overrated USC stiff.
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stay out of the big boy threads. Thanks.
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I know everyone wants a quarterback, but Saquon Barkley is the best player in this draft class as of right now.
I think he's the best running back prospect since LaDainian Tomlinson.
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I know everyone wants a quarterback, but Saquon Barkley is the best player in this draft class as of right now.
I think he's the best running back prospect since LaDainian Tomlinson.
But that name.
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I know everyone wants a quarterback, but Saquon Barkley is the best player in this draft class as of right now.
I think he's the best running back prospect since LaDainian Tomlinson.
I would be fine with Barkley, but we still need a franchise QB with no apparent path to get one. Barkley 1, Rudolph/Stidham 2 would get it done for me.
Sent this out to the group text with my football fan buddies last night:
“I keep seeing Saquon Barkley has a good chance to grade out better than Zeke, Fournette, AP, Gurley, ect.”
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But that name.
Name is the best part
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Name is the best part
#SaquonSpeith
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I know everyone wants a quarterback, but Saquon Barkley is the best player in this draft class as of right now.
I think he's the best running back prospect since LaDainian Tomlinson.
But what about Trent Richardson?
I've made it clear how much I dislike taking RB with high picks. Saquon may be the rare exception. Obviously, I'd take a QB ahead of him, but I like Saquon even more than Elliott and Gurley, who were both great prospects. I still like Guice a lot, too (though a clear tier behind Saquon at this point).
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Some thoughts:
- Baker Mayfield has grown on me... kid can ball.
- Watching lamar jackson, I find myself thinking "If Dak Prescott can be a solid NFL QB, why can't Jackson?"
- Still don't by the hype on Rudolph in round 1 right now.
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Some thoughts:
- Baker Mayfield has grown on me... kid can ball.
- Watching lamar jackson, I find myself thinking "If Dak Prescott can be a solid NFL QB, why can't Jackson?"
- Still don't by the hype on Rudolph in round 1 right now.
I don't look at Dak and Jackson as similar players. Prescott can run, and he ran a lot in college, but he's not an elite athlete (4.79 40-time). Lamar Jackson is probably a 4.4 guy, which makes his running ability much more dynamic at the NFL level.
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We haven't a seen a prospect like Jackson since Michael Vick. It's been a long time.
Vince Young is probably the best dual threat in between those players. Marcus Mariota's development as a quarterback in the NFL will do a lot for the stock of Jackson too.
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I still like Guice a lot, too (though a clear tier behind Saquon at this point).
Jones II and Wadley are catching up to Guice every week, especially now that he's banged up.
This is another good year for running backs. Hopefully we grab another one.
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I don't look at Dak and Jackson as similar players. Prescott can run, and he ran a lot in college, but he's not an elite athlete (4.79 40-time). Lamar Jackson is probably a 4.4 guy, which makes his running ability much more dynamic at the NFL level.
I don't think he meant to compare them as prospects, just that Prescott was not expected to succeed so quickly at the pro level, and how that influences his view of Jackson.
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I don't think he meant to compare them as prospects, just that Prescott was not expected to succeed so quickly at the pro level, and how that influences his view of Jackson.
Yeah pretty much this. I dont think Dak is anywhere near the athlete (legs and arm) that Jackson is.
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The key with Lamar Jackson is to have a creative offensive coaching staff to unlock his potential (and to not let him get killed). I like John Morton, but I'm not ready to say that about our staff as a whole just yet.
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We better keep winning, guys.
Darnold is mortal.
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We better keep winning, guys.
Darnold is mortal.
Liar
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We better keep winning, guys.
Darnold is mortal.
Makes me think he's going to stay in school
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We better keep winning, guys.
Darnold is mortal.
Laughing at the immediate clickbait.
https://clutchpoints.com/usc-football-news-sam-darnold-might-not-good/ (https://clutchpoints.com/usc-football-news-sam-darnold-might-not-good/)
Darnolds pocket presence and mobility in the pocket is already at an nfl level. Not to mention the way he throws his recievers open
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Darnold is sloppyfatz
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Darnold is sloppyfatz
Ginger too
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I think I have Rosen over Darnold right now.
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I think I have Rosen over Darnold right now.
I'd still take either one on this team. I really don't think we'll have a chance at either, but we'll see how tomorrow goes.
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I'd still take either one on this team. I really don't think we'll have a chance at either, but we'll see how tomorrow goes.
Why you gotta freak with my emotions like this?
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I'm honestly fine with Lamar Jackson if we don't get a top-2 pick.
I'll need to watch Josh Allen more closely. Box score scouting for him makes him look awful, but need to actually watch him play more.
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I'm honestly fine with Lamar Jackson if we don't get a top-2 pick.
I'll need to watch Josh Allen more closely. Box score scouting for him makes him look awful, but need to actually watch him play more.
He's so hard to get a read on because his supporting cast is just awful. In the Hawaii game there were 4 throws down field that were dropped (3 of which were pretty incredible). It seems like he's pressured on 75% of his pass attempts. I'm sure he's really regretting going back to school right now. He's not really able to develop or progress in that offense.
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Heismanberg, does Darnold's release worry you at all?
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Heismanberg, does Darnold's release worry you at all?
Not at all.
The ball comes out quickly. He had a skinny post throw that Burnett dropped last night that was just an elite NFL throw from the pocket. That speed out they do in their quick passing game is nice too.
I didn't like Tee Martin's playcalling last night with the banged up line. He put the QB in some bad spots.
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Not at all.
The ball comes out quickly. He had a skinny post throw that Burnett dropped last night that was just an elite NFL throw from the pocket. That speed out they do in their quick passing game is nice too.
I didn't like Tee Martin's playcalling last night with the banged up line. He put the QB in some bad spots.
Yeah I agree, its a tad unconventional, but it generates a lot of velocity to make up for the faction of a second that the wind up adds. He hasn't really received a lot of help from his team so far from what I can tell. After watching the game from last night a second time, it seemed like no one was ever really open.
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Yeah I agree, its a tad unconventional, but it generates a lot of velocity to make up for the faction of a second that the wind up adds. He hasn't really received a lot of help from his team so far from what I can tell. After watching the game from last night a second time, it seemed like no one was ever really open.
Deontay Burnett is a good receiver, but he's playing hurt and that was pretty obvious last night.
I think that Ronald Jones II is one of the best players in college football, but he's also playing hurt. USC has a ton of talent, they are just beat up all over the place. Their best defensive player was out last night too.
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Darnold was garbage on Friday and was acting like a bitch on the sideline. He's clearly a bust in the making.
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Darnold isn't something I'd worry about right now. The Chargers will probably wind up with the top pick and he Darnold will just have to move across town instead of across the country.
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Darnold isn't something I'd worry about right now. The Chargers will probably wind up with the top pick and he Darnold will just demand a trade to the Giants like a little bitch.
FYP
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FYP
Yeah or that. That's good too.
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Rosen the chosen
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Rosen the chosen
Lamar Jackoson
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Lamar Jackoson
1st article after we draft Lamar Jackoson....
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Am I crazy for liking Baker Mayfield quite a bit? My definitive #3 QB right now. He has improved as a passer, especially from the pocket, so much from last year- his arm strength even looks better. If he was 6'3 I think he would be a top 5 pick.
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Nick Camino @NickCaminoWTAM
Per @AlbertBreer, Sam Darnold will want to wait and see who has the top pick or two in the NFL Draft. If it's Browns, he could stay at USC.
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yeah, so any team that may be deemed as a possibility for the first pick, so far, has been followed by a story that 'darnold doesn't want them', even if he would be the first pick
i call absolute bullshit, these motherfuckers have no idea what they're talking about
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yeah, so any team that may be deemed as a possibility for the first pick, so far, has been followed by a story that 'darnold doesn't want them', even if he would be the first pick
i call absolute bullshit, these motherfuckers have no idea what they're talking about
I think you're right, but it's nice to not hear it about our team anymore.
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I don't even care. Play hard, pick the best player wherever we draft.
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I will laugh so hard when the browns have back to back No 1 picks
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I can kind of see it being true. If I were a possible #1 pick, I wouldn't want to play for the Browns. Not unless the entire plumbing was ripped out. It's clearly a poorly run organization.
Obviously, if you've got the first pick in the draft, there are problems in your organization, but some are clearly worse than others. We just saw Cleveland fail to execute a trade at the deadline because they were too busy celebrating to actually file the paperwork. That's about as epic a fail as it gets.
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Am I crazy for liking Baker Mayfield quite a bit? My definitive #3 QB right now. He has improved as a passer, especially from the pocket, so much from last year- his arm strength even looks better. If he was 6'3 I think he would be a top 5 pick.
I like Mayfield. If we could get him in the 2nd round, I would love it. The success of guys like Dak Prescott and Deshaun Watson makes me start to rethink the way I look at college QBs. Mayfield seems to be a leader, and he's definitely competitive. He's cocky as hell, but I think it's more in a way that galvanizes his teammates rather than divides them. And he's a big playmaker. I think he could be a fit in his offense. He's undersized and there's a chance he ends up not panning out as a starter, but that's the case with every QB we could draft.
I'm not in love with Mayfield, Allen or Jackson in the 1st round, but I know that's where we might end up needing to take one of these guys on draft day. That's another reason why I'm not yet on board with the tank. I'd feel more comfortable taking one of these guys at 12 than I would be at 5.
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I will laugh so hard when the browns have back to back No 1 picks
Tank squared
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I can kind of see it being true. If I were a possible #1 pick, I wouldn't want to play for the Browns. Not unless the entire plumbing was ripped out. It's clearly a poorly run organization.
Obviously, if you've got the first pick in the draft, there are problems in your organization, but some are clearly worse than others. We just saw Cleveland fail to execute a trade at the deadline because they were too busy celebrating to actually file the paperwork. That's about as epic a fail as it gets.
If there is any ounce of chance you can be drafted, let alone drafted #1, you take it. Anything can happen in a year. We've seen potential #1 picks fall tremendously.
Yeah, Cleveland sucks but you have to have confidence. If Darnold went into the lowly Browns franchise and took them to a Super Bowl, his legend would be insane. I don't buy these stories at all.
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He's gonna sit in college like Matt Leinart and Matt Barkely and lose millions? Go ahead, kid.
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Tank squared
Tank is a flat circle
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If there is any ounce of chance you can be drafted, let alone drafted #1, you take it. Anything can happen in a year. We've seen potential #1 picks fall tremendously.
Yeah, Cleveland sucks but you have to have confidence. If Darnold went into the lowly Browns franchise and took them to a Super Bowl, his legend would be insane. I don't buy these stories at all.
Peyton Manning did it.
It doesn't matter how good you are, if the team around you never improves, you're toast. And the Browns look like an organization that doesn't know its derriere from its elbow.
He's gonna sit in college like Matt Leinart and Matt Barkely and lose millions? Go ahead, kid.
Doesn't the rookie scale kind of change everything though? Sure, you're going to lose a year of cash to play for free in college, but you're probably not losing a ton. And if you can get drafted to a better situation, it might be worth it long-term.
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Peyton did it before the rookie scale. The #1 pick was like signing a blank check. He took a gamble on himself and won, this was an anomaly.
Injuries happen every year and can end a career. Added the fact that there is a rookie scale in place is the gamble worth it anymore?
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After the season I think Duff needs to figure out fair value for McCown, make the offer, and if he passes then we move on. I don't think we're going to drag it out like we did with Fitz.
Between FA and the draft, and Morton's offense, I think we can adequately replace or upgrade the position.
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After the season I think Duff needs to figure out fair value for McCown, make the offer, and if he passes then we move on. I don't think we're going to drag it out like we did with Fitz.
Between FA and the draft, and Morton's offense, I think we can adequately replace or upgrade the position.
Has to be a 1 year deal, 2 at the most. McCown is playing well, but we also know he's an injury time bomb and his age is an issue.
The offseason will be fun. We're either going to throw the kitchen sink at Cousins (if he's available) in FA or we're going to draft our next guy. I can't see QB not being at the top of Duff's wishlist.
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After the season I think Duff needs to figure out fair value for McCown, make the offer, and if he passes then we move on. I don't think we're going to drag it out like we did with Fitz.
Between FA and the draft, and Morton's offense, I think we can adequately replace or upgrade the position.
McCown should not be on this team next year... how many times do we need to do this?
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McCown should not be on this team next year... how many times do we need to do this?
If we draft a QB in the upper rounds, he may need some time. I'm okay with another year of McCown if that's what it'll take for our long term success.
As far as Petty/Hack go, I think it's safe to say the CS doesn't think they're starter material.
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Why shouldn't McCown be back if things continue as they have? Unless he's looking for starter money, keep that dude. He's good for the locker room, knows the offense, and worst case he's a hell of a backup.
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McCown should not be on this team next year... how many times do we need to do this?
Why not?
Even if the Jets get a top QB in the draft, and he's ready to start day 1, do you want Petty and Hackenberg being the guys he relies on?
If it's not McCown, and they don't get someone like Cousins, they're going to have to sign another vet at least as a backup. At least we know McCown's a great teammate and can make something happen in the offense if he plays.
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Maybe I should have included the caveat I'd be okay with him assuming a backup role if we draft a QB. But even then, I'm fairly confident that Bowles will always side with experience. If Jackson or Mayfield or even Darnold (pipe dream at this point, I know) end up on the Jets in 2018, I'd think Bowles would go with McCown. McCown is an easy temptation for someone like Bowles- familiarity and not very risky.. but I guess that's complete speculation.
If they sign Cousins, I doubt they'd also bring back McCown, unless it was for pennies on the dollar.
If they don't go with Cousins, or the draft, there are better stop-gap options available... like Alex Smith. If the idea is to bring back McCown as the unequivocal starter, I'd be pretty disappointed with this team. I'm not convinced McCown is a good player at age 38, and I highly doubt he'd be able to keep up this level of play through next year.
All in all I agree with Badgers statement of "Between FA and the draft, and Morton's offense, I think we can adequately replace or upgrade the position."
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I think the room next year is McCown, a 1st-round pick, and whoever they like more out of Petty/Hackenberg.
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I think the room next year is McCown, a 1st-round pick, and whoever they like more out of Petty/Hackenberg.
I still think we should take an offensive lineman on the first.
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I'm not saying he needs to start. I thought I was being pretty conservative with my scenario.
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I'm not saying he needs to start. I thought I was being pretty conservative with my scenario.
You were. I made an assumption.
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Daniel Jeremiah saying Baker Mayfield is a lock for the 1st round and throwing out Russell Wilson comps
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Daniel Jeremiah saying Baker Mayfield is a lock for the 1st round and throwing out Russell Wilson comps
let's draft him
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@nfldraftscout
Just heard from a league source that the New York #Jets love Josh Allen. Wyoming source told me they've done the most work on him.
I think I remember hearing about Duff flying out to watch Allen play earlier this season.
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the article is a month and half old...but still interesting. Daniel Jeremiah knows his excrement.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000853790/article/josh-allens-skills-on-par-with-top-nfl-qbs-despite-struggles
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Josh Allen is 6'5", 234 lbs, he has a cannon arm, and he's got very good athleticism for his size. If you watch his highlight videos, he makes a bunch of ridiculous throws.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkA4MzHFV8A
I'm not saying that I want Josh Allen, but all the physical tools are there for him to be great if he can harness them. I'm just a skeptical if he can.
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I'd still prefer Mayfield and probably Jackson over Allen at this point... but Josh Allen has physical tools on par with Cam Newton. His supporting cast is absolute trash, so its really hard to evaluate him. Even watching his bad games like Hawaii and Iowa, he makes some throws that maybe 2 QBs in the NFL can make. His WRs don't get open or drop passes, and his offensive line is horrible.
I can't really make a definitive statement on Allen. I could see him being the next Aaron Rodgers, or he could be out of the in 4 years.
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Josh Allen has physical tools on par with Cam Newton.
False
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False
I read that somewhere recently (the Cam Newton comparison)...was that Manish?
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I read that somewhere recently (the Cam Newton comparison)...was that Manish?
I saw that flicking through Twitter too. I can't recall who it was either, but I don't think it was Manish. He's been clickbaiting his article on "who to watch at QB if you're a Jets fan" so I haven't been reading the article.
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Josh Allen has a genuine smile
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False
He's not the runner Cam is, but Allen's arm is certainly on par.
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False
Well, he isn't black so he doesn't have abnormally long Achilles tendons.
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Wyoming Coach Expects Josh Allen To Enter NFL https://t.co/1ZhIETNYH6
Not a shocker.
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Allen is terrible
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Allen is terrible
duff probably loves him
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Mayfield
Do it Macc
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duff probably loves him
He's basically Hackenberg on steroids as a prospect. Tall, great frame but poor accuracy. Allen had an all-world arm and great athleticism to boot. He looks like he should be great, but he's not.
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I'd take Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, or Jackson but I'd rather have offensive tackle.
If we can't run the football and pass protect, no rookie will have success back there.
We have a nice corps of skill players, which is actually surprising. ASJ, Anderson, and Kearse will be good for a young QB. Enunwa coming back helps us as well. I think this team has pieces in place to make a run at a free agent quarterback too, but Maccagnan needs to spend picks and money on OL.
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I'd take Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, or Jackson but I'd rather have offensive tackle.
If we can't run the football and pass protect, no rookie will have success back there.
We have a nice corps of skill players, which is actually surprising. ASJ, Anderson, and Kearse will be good for a young QB. Enunwa coming back helps us as well. I think this team has pieces in place to make a run at a free agent quarterback too, but Maccagnan needs to spend picks and money on OL.
I just worry that if we are in the top 10 this year and don't come away with any of the 4 you named, we will be constantly filling the position with stop gaps in the near future. I would love to address the OL properly, but I think QB trumps tackle at this point. If we sign Cousins though, I can get 100% on board with a tackle in the first.
From what I can tell, the OL class is pretty deep this year, so maybe we go T in the 2nd round.
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Duff isn't going to keep his job too long without taking a shot at a 1st round QB or getting a good one in f.a.
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I just worry that if we are in the top 10 this year and don't come away with any of the 4 you named, we will be constantly filling the position with stop gaps in the near future. I would love to address the OL properly, but I think QB trumps tackle at this point. If we sign Cousins though, I can get 100% on board with a tackle in the first.
From what I can tell, the OL class is pretty deep this year, so maybe we go T in the 2nd round.
I obviously want us to seriously address the QB position this off-season but there will be more opportunities. Going back to just 2014 there have been a handful of good, decent, or potentially good QBs that we've passed on.
Our void is due more to a lack of action than a lack of opportunity.
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I obviously want us to seriously address the QB position this off-season but there will be more opportunities. Going back to just 2014 there have been a handful of good, decent, or potentially good QBs that we've passed on.
Our void is due more to a lack of action than a lack of opportunity.
DE coming right up!
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Kirk Cousins, responding to @RapSheet report that Redskins brass wants to see more: "If you still need five more games, or five-plus, to make a decision, so be it, but I’d like to think that I’ve played a lot of football here." https://t.co/rpr1ilZ3qs
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I'd take Cousins on the Jets, no question about it.
I'm going to sound like a broken record, but there are a lot of pieces in place for an experienced QB to be successful here. The offensive line needs to be repaired. The running game has to get better.
Our receiving corps with a healthy Quincy Enunwa is better than Washington's. All they have is Jamison Crowder. Jordan Reed is never healthy, Josh Doctson can't catch, and Terrelle Pryor has been a major disappointment for them.
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I'd take Cousins on the Jets, no question about it.
I'm going to sound like a broken record, but there are a lot of pieces in place for an experienced QB to be successful here. The offensive line needs to be repaired. The running game has to get better.
Our receiving corps with a healthy Quincy Enunwa is better than Washington's. All they have is Jamison Crowder. Jordan Reed is never healthy, Josh Doctson can't catch, and Terrelle Pryor has been a major disappointment for them.
I think I'd be on board with this but, only if our offensive staff stays in place. Morton has showed he can make chicken soup out of Mccown excrement. I trust his judgement.
The question is how do we fire Bowles and keep Morton
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I think I'd be on board with this but, only if our offensive staff stays in place. Morton has showed he can make chicken soup out of Mccown excrement. I trust his judgement.
Our passing offense has overachieved with Morton, but our running game is an absolute mess. We can't run the ball between the tackles.
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Our passing offense has overachieved with Morton, but our running game is an absolute mess. We can't run the ball between the tackles.
that's because our oline is a wet fart.
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that's because our oline is a wet fart.
The personnel is not good, but the run calls and blocking scheme are also terrible.
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The personnel is not good, but the run calls and blocking scheme are also terrible.
I'd be happy if we used the draft to find a QB, rebuild the oline, and since the draft is loaded with HB again, find a HB late (like what the Saints did with Kamara).
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I'd be happy if we used the draft to find a QB, rebuild the oline, and since the draft is loaded with HB again, find a HB late (like what the Saints did with Kamara).
I mean, yeah that would be ideal - I don't think you'd get many fans saying 'I hope we overdraft a DL and snag a CB bust. Let's waste a 4th-rounder on an overhyped RB as well.'
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I'd be happy if we used the draft to find a QB, rebuild the oline, and since the draft is loaded with HB again, find a HB late (like what the Saints did with Kamara).
How do you know McGuire isn't that guy. You try running when every single person, player and coach knows the Jets are running the ball on 1st down.
I don't like Morton as much as everyone else for the specific reason he runs when he shows run and passes when they show pass. His play calling is very predictable. 9 guys in the box, freak it run. When the game is on the line, the Jets are up late they pass like they're drunken sailors. I really believe that some of the collapses are the result of poor play calling and such in addition to McCown being as clutch as a flat tire.
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How do you know McGuire isn't that guy. You try running when every single person, player and coach knows the Jets are running the ball on 1st down.
I don't like Morton as much as everyone else for the specific reason he runs when he shows run and passes when they show pass. His play calling is very predictable. 9 guys in the box, freak it run. When the game is on the line, the Jets are up late they pass like they're drunken sailors. I really believe that some of the collapses are the result of poor play calling and such in addition to McCown being as clutch as a flat tire.
McGuire could be the guy, good point.
However, Forte is as good as gone next year....so drafting another HB late isn't unreasonable.
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I'd take Cousins on the Jets, no question about it.
I'm going to sound like a broken record, but there are a lot of pieces in place for an experienced QB to be successful here. The offensive line needs to be repaired. The running game has to get better.
Our receiving corps with a healthy Quincy Enunwa is better than Washington's. All they have is Jamison Crowder. Jordan Reed is never healthy, Josh Doctson can't catch, and Terrelle Pryor has been a major disappointment for them.
ive wanted cousins since he was drafted. WAS inability to commit is laughable considering youre not going to find 12 or even possibly 10 better QB's in this league
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Yeah, I'm all in on Cousins if he hits the market. I'm willing to overpay if cap space is the only thing we give up. Even if Cousins tanks, odds are we could get out of any deal after year 3 or even year 2 given how NFL deals work.
That means we could use the top-10 pick elsewhere, like OT. I don't know if I could justify a guard in the top 10 but Quenton Nelson is great, even if he did go to Red Bank Catholic. I am against RB in the 1st round, but Saquon Barkley is a rare prospect. Or we can grab an edge rusher or cornerback
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Yeah, I'm all in on Cousins if he hits the market. I'm willing to overpay if cap space is the only thing we give up. Even if Cousins tanks, odds are we could get out of any deal after year 3 or even year 2 given how NFL deals work.
That means we could use the top-10 pick elsewhere, like OT. I don't know if I could justify a guard in the top 10 but Quenton Nelson is great, even if he did go to Red Bank Catholic. I am against RB in the 1st round, but Saquon Barkley is a rare prospect. Or we can grab an edge rusher or cornerback
We don't actually need a gord for once though. C/T are much bigger priorities.
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We don't actually need a gord for once though. C/T are much bigger priorities.
Agreed, plus you can always get a Gord in the later rounds
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Mayfield
Not even out of College and already better than Kirk Cousins, the poor man's Alex Smith
Do it Macc
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Mayfield
Not even out of College and already better than Kirk Cousins, the poor man's Alex Smith
Do it Macc
wat
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wat
Truth
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Mayfield
Not even out of College and already better than Kirk Cousins, the poor man's Alex Smith
Do it Macc
I feel like sg3's endorsement of Mayfield is the kiss of death. Already a bust before he's drafted.
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I feel like sg3's endorsement of Mayfield is the kiss of death. Already a bust before he's drafted.
the poor man's Alex Smith comparison for Cousins gave me an extra chromosome.
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This thread has AIDS now
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the poor man's Alex Smith comparison for Cousins gave me an extra chromosome.
I hate to break it to you but you have had that for quite some time.
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I hate to break it to you but you have had that for quite some time.
MBGreen, the retarded man’s Kellen Clemens
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I hate to break it to you but you have had that for quite some time.
MBGreen, the retarded man’s Kellen Clemens
these freaking guys.
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the poor man's Alex Smith comparison for Cousins gave me an extra chromosome.
Especially strange since Mayfield is more like Smith than Cousins IMO.
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Especially strange since Mayfield is more like Smith than Cousins IMO.
the only thing Mayfield and Cousins have in common is their fiery attitude, imo.
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Baker Mayfield plays the game like Russell Wilson. He's going to get a lot of Johnny Football comparisons, but Mayfield is way better in the pocket than Manziel ever was at that level.
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Baker Mayfield plays the game like Russell Wilson. He's going to get a lot of Johnny Football comparisons, but Mayfield is way better in the pocket than Manziel ever was at that level.
Mayfield is jittery in the pocket though. He drifts in the pocket into trouble sometimes. He's better than Manziel, but he still needs to improve in that area.
Mayfield at his best is Russell Wilson. His median outcome is probably Case Keenum.
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Mayfield is jittery in the pocket though. He drifts in the pocket into trouble sometimes. He's better than Manziel, but he still needs to improve in that area.
Mayfield at his best is Russell Wilson. His median outcome is probably Case Keenum.
2018 Case Keenum or Chase Daniel Case Keenum?
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What do you guys think about the so-called 2nd tier QB's in this draft? The guys that may be later round 1 or round 2/3 selections? I don't think I want to see the Jets unload 2 years worth of top picks to move up for a QB. Not with all the holes we have elsewhere. Maybe it doesn't work out that way and someone falls, but we'll see.
Seeing that our current offensive coordinator was not around when our 2 backups were drafted and neither has proven enough to the coaching staff to be ready to start, it wouldn't be a stretch to see one of them go and be replaced by a non-elite draft pick. This assumes we don't make a blockbuster move to go up and get one of the Darnolds of the draft. I wouldn't be opposed to giving McCown another year here as the starter with a new young QB to sit behind him and learn (assuming he wants to play or doesn't get injured).
Anyway, my point is, who do you think constitutes the second tier of QB's in the draft? Because I follow NC State football a lot, I would say at this point Ryan Finley is a good candidate for this area, assuming he doesn't go back. He is an accurate passer, moves well in the pocket, is smart and has played very well in big games this year. I have a feeling once people start looking at tape, he's going to head up the draft charts. Maybe not as much as Trubisky, but similar, especially since they were both in the ACC.
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What do you guys think about the so-called 2nd tier QB's in this draft? The guys that may be later round 1 or round 2/3 selections? I don't think I want to see the Jets unload 2 years worth of top picks to move up for a QB. Not with all the holes we have elsewhere. Maybe it doesn't work out that way and someone falls, but we'll see.
I tend to lean towards this line of thinking, but then I see how well Carson Wentz is playing and what Philly gave up to get him. I would do that deal. But you need some good coaches...DeFillipo and Doug Pederson (a former QB) have developed Wentz into a stud.
And to think, DeFillipo was our first choice for OC last year, until Philly blocked it.
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Baker Mayfield plays the game like Russell Wilson. He's going to get a lot of Johnny Football comparisons, but Mayfield is way better in the pocket than Manziel ever was at that level.
good comparison. I like Mayfields arm better though. but Wilson is a boyscout and Mayfield is white trash. so theres that lol .
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Not knowing anything about anyone in college, I'd rather the Jets didn't trade up for a QB. If one falls to their spot, by all means, grab him. Otherwise, I'd rather take OL/OLB/WR/CB/RB, in that order.
I wouldn't mind taking one in the second if someone they really like drops, but I'd want it to be someone Morton adores, not Maccagnan. I like Maccagnan, but he's blown his clout as far picking a QB at this point.
I put a lot more weight on the offensive line and the offensive coordinator to turn a kid into a pro, anyway. Not necessarily his draft position. There are only so many Manning/Brady/Montana guys. I'd rather this OC get a chance to groom a guy he sees working in his system.
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Not knowing anything about anyone in college, I'd rather the Jets didn't trade up for a QB. If one falls to their spot, by all means, grab him. Otherwise, I'd rather take OL/OLB/WR/CB/RB, in that order.
I wouldn't mind taking one in the second if someone they really like drops, but I'd want it to be someone Morton adores, not Maccagnan. I like Maccagnan, but he's blown his clout as far picking a QB at this point.
I put a lot more weight on the offensive line and the offensive coordinator to turn a kid into a pro, anyway. Not necessarily his draft position. There are only so many Manning/Brady/Montana guys. I'd rather this OC get a chance to groom a guy he sees working in his system.
theres 3 or 4 guys who all could go in the first and i dont think anyone has separated themselves as the bonafide #1
i dont think we need to trade up for a QB and can sit and find one. but im not the GM, the combine changes everything once Staffs get a kid in the meeting room and fall in love
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At this stage Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson, Allen all seem like possibilities where we'll likely be picking. Maybe similar to a Tannehill to the Dolphins situation in 2012
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Does it really matter if we spend an extra 1st and 2nd along the way in order to move up and secure that possible franchise QB? Before the injury, I'm sure the Texans were feeling very good about their trade up for Watson. I'm sure even with the injury, they would do it 10 times our of 10.
There's really no sum of draft picks that are too much if you land your quarterback of the next decade. If we are at 8 or 9 and want to move up between 2-4 and land one of Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield, I'm okay with it.
Spending near 30M on Cousins could be significantly more restricting than trading up for a QB.
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Does it really matter if we spend an extra 1st and 2nd along the way in order to move up and secure that possible franchise QB? Before the injury, I'm sure the Texans were feeling very good about their trade up for Watson. I'm sure even with the injury, they would do it 10 times our of 10.
There's really no sum of draft picks that are too much if you land your quarterback of the next decade. If we are at 8 or 9 and want to move up between 2-4 and land one of Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield, I'm okay with it.
Spending near 30M on Cousins could be significantly more restricting than trading up for a QB.
I’m good with this over drafting another safety or LB in 2019
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At this stage Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson, Allen all seem like possibilities where we'll likely be picking. Maybe similar to a Tannehill to the Dolphins situation in 2012
We’ll be in a position to pick from Jackson, Rudolph, and Mayfield... and Duff will pick Josh Allen
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We’ll be in a position to pick from Jackson, Rudolph, and Mayfield... and Duff will pick Josh Allen
biggest draft fear mode engaged
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Kurt Benkert from UVA seems to be getting a little buzz as someone that is quite underrated and could be a good pickup in round 3-4.
He's helped UVA to a decent record despite not having much around him.
Downside, he might be Nathan Peterman-type religious.
I'm trying to pay attention to some of these QBs that won't be 1st rounders, since I really don't think we'll be able to get one of the elite ones this year. Barring the Jets losing out, I don't think we'll be in striking distance of one of the top QBs without trading up a good deal (please don't). There are about 3 shittier teams that we probably can't pass in the draft slots, but I guess we could end up around 4-5 or so if everything went right in the suck-a-thon.
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I'm trying to pay attention to some of these QBs that won't be 1st rounders, since I really don't think we'll be able to get one of the elite ones this year.
I don't want us to spend a non-first rounder on a quarterback this year.
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I don't want us to spend a non-first rounder on a quarterback this year.
Sign Cousins and pick a QB in the 4th? (Kirk Cousins)
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I really like what I’ve seen from Benkert. If it weren’t such a good year for QBs, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him move up to the 2nd or 3rd round.
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I don't want us to spend a non-first rounder on a quarterback this year.
Agreed. Either go all in on a 1st rounder, or nothing at all. Can't keep wasting mid round picks on projects, and then never play them.
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I don't want us to spend a non-first rounder on a quarterback this year.
I agree. I ultimately think we'll have the same QB room next year with a beefed up roster elsewhere. I don't think the Jets will have the ammo to move up where they need to in order to get a QB worth a 1st round pick.
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QBs against Ranked Opponents- 2017
Baker Mayfield 69.4% - 15 Tds 2 Int 215.32 rating
Josh Rosen 62.4% - 11 Tds 5 Int 141.11 rating
Sam Darnold 68.2% - 8 Tds 4 Int 166.5 rating
Lamar Jackson 50% - 3 Tds 1 Int 132.2 rating
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Let's assume the Jets are picking somewhere between the 8th and 11th - That would put Cleveland, Giants, Arizona(?), Broncos(?) as QB needy teams ahead of us?
I think Cleveland and Giants are surefire going to pick a QB. Arizona and Denver are iffy - there's a good chance a solid prospect may fall to us staying put. I do not want a QB unless he's drafted in the first round.
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theres 3 or 4 guys who all could go in the first and i dont think anyone has separated themselves as the bonafide #1
i dont think we need to trade up for a QB and can sit and find one. but im not the GM, the combine changes everything once Staffs get a kid in the meeting room and fall in love
Does Coach K know about this site?
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Does Coach K know about this site?
Yes.
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Let's assume the Jets are picking somewhere between the 8th and 11th - That would put Cleveland, Giants, Arizona(?), Broncos(?) as QB needy teams ahead of us?
I think Cleveland and Giants are surefire going to pick a QB. Arizona and Denver are iffy - there's a good chance a solid prospect may fall to us staying put. I do not want a QB unless he's drafted in the first round.
The Arizona win was huge this past weekend in the grand scheme of things...especially if we lose out now that McCown is done.
Denver beating Indy this week is huge because if we can jump Washington and Cincy (as expected) as well as Denver, we can sit at 6 or 7 with some combination of the following teams in front of us: Cleveland twice, NYG, Indy, San Fran, Chicago and Tampa-Only 2 of those teams SHOULD need QBs and that would leave us in a great position to get one of the 3 (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield) whether that's through trading up or what not.
Another important thing to root for- We could really use Buffalo and KC to rack up another win or two each so that the Bills don't have TOO much ammunition to move up.
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Bills have the ammo to move up from most anywhere unless the go deep in the plaoffs
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Bills have the ammo to move up from most anywhere unless the go deep in the plaoffs
The thing is, most teams that are in the top 5 (save for the Browns of course) when moving down from such a high pick are typically interested in moving down only a few spots to grab another top end talent they can get a few spots down the road (take the Niners for example).
If the Bills and Chiefs both end up 9-7 or 10-6 that bodes much better for us because they'll be either playoff bound or down towards the bottom.
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Sign Cousins and pick a QB in the 4th? (Kirk Cousins)
No
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No
What’s your plan? Love to hear it
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What’s your plan? Love to hear it
Reported
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What’s your plan? Love to hear it
He doesn't have one. I asked him this a while ago after he kept going on about Darnchez or whatever retarded nickname he made up. I think all he could come up with was "sign a veteran"... Brilliant!
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He doesn't have one. I asked him this a while ago after he kept going on about Darnchez or whatever retarded nickname he made up. I think all he could come up with was "sign a veteran"... Brilliant!
OBSESSION
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OBSESSION
He hasn't posted today:
OBSESSION
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Dear Football Gods,
Please give the Top tier QB prospects the itch to declare for the upcoming draft.
XO,
MoronButtholeGreen
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Assuming we have our pick of QB regardless of where we pick, but Rosen and Darnold are off the board, who would you prefer to pick if you can choose any QB besides those two? I know nothing about college football so I'm curious as to who should be the next in line.
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Assuming we have our pick of QB regardless of where we pick, but Rosen and Darnold are off the board, who would you prefer to pick if you can choose any QB besides those two? I know nothing about college football so I'm curious as to who should be the next in line.
Baker Mayfield, but if we're picking in the top ten, it may be quite the reach.
I just hope Maccagnan sticks to his guns and takes the best player available. There could be a lot of talented offensive linemen and pass rushers available at 10 (if we stay in that spot).
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Baker Mayfield, but if we're picking in the top ten, it may be quite the reach.
I just hope Maccagnan sticks to his guns and takes the best player available. There could be a lot of talented offensive linemen and pass rushers available at 10 (if we stay in that spot).
I don’t think it would be a reach. I’ve been thinking he’ll go in the top 10 for a month now.
I could even see him going 3rd overall or top 5 if the right team ends up with the pick.
I’m all for Mayfield at 10. I would love to see what Morton could do with him.
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excrement is going to change dramatically before the draft. someone will drop, someone will rise, someone will reach for QB and will flame out spectacularly....
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excrement is going to change dramatically before the draft. someone will drop, someone will rise, someone will reach for QB and will flame out spectacularly....
Someone posts this every year before the draft (cough, Bo) and adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. We know. It’s all speculation.
Jets should trade back doe
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I don’t think it would be a reach. I’ve been thinking he’ll go in the top 10 for a month now.
I could even see him going 3rd overall or top 5 if the right team ends up with the pick.
I’m all for Mayfield at 10. I would love to see what Morton could do with him.
I think Mayfield could sneak into the top 5 as well, there's too many QB-needy teams at the top of the draft. But we'll see what happens at his Pro Day/Combine etc. If he fell into our laps at 10, I'd be ecstatic.
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Someone posts this every year before the draft (cough, Bo) and adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. We know. It’s all speculation.
Jets should trade back doe
Then what the hell is the point of the conversation at all? Mayfield is the flavor of the month, six months ago it was Darnold is the next coming of Manning. I don't think the Jets should trade back, I think they should trade up and get the best QB available. We've been spinning our damn wheels solely because we cannot figure out the QB position. *cough, GFY*
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Then what the hell is the point of the conversation at all? Mayfield is the flavor of the month, six months ago it was Darnold is the next coming of Manning. I don't think the Jets should trade back, I think they should trade up and get the best QB available. We've been spinning our damn wheels solely because we cannot figure out the QB position. *cough, GFY*
There is no point. I used to get all fixated on a certain postion or specific prospect and would then get all butthurt when the Jets did the exact opposite of what I wanted. These days my goal is to farmiliarize myself with as many prospects as possible so that I can make an educated decision on how much I hate the pick.
The trade back thing is a canned line that every internet Jets fan says before the draft. “This would be a great year to trade back, acquire some extra picks, and grab a guy they like later”. Pointless speculation that almost never happens.
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There is no point. I used to get all fixated on a certain postion or specific prospect and would then get all butthurt when the Jets did the exact opposite of what I wanted. These days my goal is to farmiliarize myself with as many prospects as possible so that I can make an educated decision on how much I hate the pick.
The trade back thing is a canned line that every internet Jets fan says before the draft. “This would be a great year to trade back, acquire some extra picks, and grab a guy they like later”. Pointless speculation that almost never happens.
When is someone starting the "Bring On the Ditka" thread?
#BOTD
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I don't know if you guys know, but things will change a lot between now and the draft. See y'all next year.
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I don't know if you guys know, but things will change a lot between now and the draft. See y'all next year.
*reported
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I don't know if you guys know, but things will change a lot between now and the draft. See y'all next year.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VqtJw67xM14
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Then what the hell is the point of the conversation at all? Mayfield is the flavor of the month, six months ago it was Darnold is the next coming of Manning. I don't think the Jets should trade back, I think they should trade up and get the best QB available. We've been spinning our damn wheels solely because we cannot figure out the QB position. *cough, GFY*
We have to pray like hell somebody in the top 2 decides to not like a QB and is willing to move. It's time to move heaven and Earth and just freaking go get a guy. There is a lot of talent out there this year, take advantage and go get something worthwhile. If you can't swing a deal without getting bent too far over, find yourself either the best available lineman or the next great pass rusher in this league.
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When is someone starting the "Bring On the Ditka" thread?
#BOTD
Done
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Then what the hell is the point of the conversation at all? Mayfield is the flavor of the month, six months ago it was Darnold is the next coming of Manning.
I don't know if you guys know, but things will change a lot between now and the draft. See y'all next year.
Relevant to both of these posts, I don't think it's fair to call Mayfield a flavor of the month hyped prospect because his surge in popularity is due to his play on the field. That kind of fluctuation is warranted. Same with people cooling on Darnold. He didn't have an elite season but he still has the tools and will still go high.
It's the stuff that happens after the season is over that you need to avoid overvaluing. Not just the combine but all of the rationalizing and overthinking that sends players flying up and down draft boards.
There are still some huge bowl games to be played, and then we'll have a complete season of work to evaluate.
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Relevant to both of these posts, I don't think it's fair to call Mayfield a flavor of the month hyped prospect because his surge in popularity is due to his play on the field. That kind of fluctuation is warranted. Same with people cooling on Darnold. He didn't have an elite season but he still has the tools and will still go high.
It's the stuff that happens after the season is over that you need to avoid overvaluing. Not just the combine but all of the rationalizing and overthinking that sends players flying up and down draft boards.
There are still some huge bowl games to be played, and then we'll have a complete season of work to evaluate.
I just said that to freak with SFD. I'll probably say it again later this offseason though. And next.
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Baker Mayfield will be at Senior Bowl.
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Baker Mayfield will be at Senior Bowl.
Hell yeah
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Baker Mayfield will be at Senior Bowl.
Nice. He'll dominate
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Josh Allen declared
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According to tankathon.com, there’ll be 6 QBs taken in the 1st round:
#1 Rosen- CLE
#2 Darnold- NYG
#13 Rudolph- ARZ
#17 Jackson- BUF
#26 Mayfield- JAX
#29 Allen- PIT
They have the Jets taking Arden Key (DE/OLB).
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According to tankathon.com, there’ll be 6 QBs taken in the 1st round:
#1 Rosen- CLE
#2 Darnold- NYG
#13 Rudolph- ARZ
#17 Jackson- BUF
#26 Mayfield- JAX
#29 Allen- PIT
They have the Jets taking Arden Key (DE/OLB).
lol
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Arden Key is the best player in the draft behind Rosen and Darnold.
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It would be nice if that listing was anywhere near accurate (doubtful) and if all the underclass QBs declared so that Macc would be able to pull the trigger on Mayfield at #8
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Arden Key is the best player in the draft behind Rosen and Darnold.
I can appreciate that...i want to address the offense for once though.
OL, QB or Barkley should be the target
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I'm fine with Key.
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I'm fine with Key.
He's a strong consolation prize in the QB arms race
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I'm fine with Key.
you'd be fine with a punter
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you'd be fine with a punter
Probably.
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I really like Duke QB Daniel Jones as a future prospect.
Depending on who enters this year, Jones, Northwestern's Clayton Thorson, and Mississippi State's Nick Fitzgerald are three quality prospects for the 2019 NFL Draft.
Jarrett Stidham, Justin Herbert, Drew Lock, and Jake Bentley could strengthen that class as well.
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I'm afraid May goes ballistic in his last 2 games.
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I hope Josh Rosen ends up on the worst team possible.
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https://dawgpounddaily.com/2017/12/26/cleveland-browns-dorsey-rosen-fan/
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I hope Josh Rosen ends up on the worst team possible.
The giants?
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The giants?
Nah, he'd like that. Very classy.
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https://dawgpounddaily.com/2017/12/26/cleveland-browns-dorsey-rosen-fan/
First team ever to have first pick 2 years in a row??
Didn't Jets have it in 1996 and 1997 as the result of Kotite's 3 wins in 95 and 1 win in 96??
Meshawn one year followed by Parcells trading down twice to lose 10 year OT Orlando Pace for a LB who played meh for the Jets and good for the Steelers
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Unlike Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold says he would be "honored" to play for any NFL team nydn.us/2Cc1IqT
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We should trade up for Rosen to spite the Giants.
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We should trade up for Rosen to spite the Giants.
http://thebiglead.com/2017/12/27/john-dorsey-reportedly-said-he-would-stay-away-from-josh-rosen/
Sawp
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I'd rather have Darnold than Rosen. We won't have a shot at either but I think Darnold would be better handling all that comes with being in NY and with the Jets. Seems like a cool customer. Plus his noggin hasn't been scrambled as much.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/history-says-trading-up-for-a-first-round-quarterback-is-generally-a-terrible-idea/
You can't assume every situation is the same, but the initial excitement of a future QB seems to usually fade quickly into sadness.
Interestingly if we were to trade up for a QB, the most recent comparison would be........ The RG3 trade. Ugh. While few would expect us to give up as many picks as the Redskins did (they way overpaid), at the time it happened, he was almost as sure a thing as Luck. In fact some were suggesting the Colts should have taken him. While many thought it was a steep price to pay, the Redskins fans and many others had raging boners for the move. In the end, the Redskins move up from 6 to 2 in the first round in exchange for (obviously the #6 overall pick) a first rounder in 2013 and 2014 and a second rounder in 2012.
Let that sink in for a bit.
The smarter move is usually to either take one when you are in a spot to get one without trading (i.e. be really shitty and have the number 1 or 2 overall), find one later on or sign a free agent one when a good one rarely comes available.
It's time to get one, but I don't think trading away a lot is the way to do it.
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Mason Rudolph anyone??
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/history-says-trading-up-for-a-first-round-quarterback-is-generally-a-terrible-idea/
You can't assume every situation is the same, but the initial excitement of a future QB seems to usually fade quickly into sadness.
Interestingly if we were to trade up for a QB, the most recent comparison would be........ The RG3 trade. Ugh. While few would expect us to give up as many picks as the Redskins did (they way overpaid), at the time it happened, he was almost as sure a thing as Luck. In fact some were suggesting the Colts should have taken him. While many thought it was a steep price to pay, the Redskins fans and many others had raging boners for the move. In the end, the Redskins move up from 6 to 2 in the first round in exchange for (obviously the #6 overall pick) a first rounder in 2013 and 2014 and a second rounder in 2012.
Let that sink in for a bit.
The smarter move is usually to either take one when you are in a spot to get one without trading (i.e. be really shitty and have the number 1 or 2 overall), find one later on or sign a free agent one when a good one rarely comes available.
It's time to get one, but I don't think trading away a lot is the way to do it.
I generally get the point but for every RGIII you have Goff or Vick. I know Goff it's early in his career but it seems now that he has a team around him he may be the real deal. QB is the riskiest position, if you think you have your man you go and get him.
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I generally get the point but for every RGIII you have Goff or Vick. I know Goff it's early in his career but it seems now that he has a team around him he may be the real deal. QB is the riskiest position, if you think you have your man you go and get him.
The point is that there isn't a Goff for every Rg3. How many of these trade ups have failed for every one that succeeded?
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The point is that there isn't a Goff for every Rg3. How many of these trade ups have failed for every one that succeeded?
I get the point, I believe the reward outweighs the risk, when it works. If you have thoroughly done your homework and believe this QB can be the franchise, you get him. If you fail, you fail. There are what, 1 maybe 2 franchise level QB each year. The chances of one falling into your lap are minimal. You don't keep your GM job when you don't win, you don't win if you don't have a QB.
Whether you swing and miss, or don't swing at all, you're going to lose either way.
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I get the point, I believe the reward outweighs the risk, when it works. If you have thoroughly done your homework and believe this QB can be the franchise, you get him. If you fail, you fail. There are what, 1 maybe 2 franchise level QB each year. The chances of one falling into your lap are minimal. You don't keep your GM job when you don't win, you don't win if you don't have a QB.
Whether you swing and miss, or don't swing at all, you're going to lose either way.
I think Cousins is the safest bet. Maybe not the best, but the safest. We have the cash and we know what he is. He isn't that old and he can play in our system.
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I think Cousins is the safest bet. Maybe not the best, but the safest. We have the cash and we know what he is. He isn't that old and he can play in our system.
I would be happy with Cousins or McCarron assuming he comes close to his potential. We need a QB, we cannot go another 10 - 15 years in limbo.
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McCarron will likely end up being a restricted free agent unless he wins his appeal. Hell get a first round tender, so we'd have to give that up to get him. I don't know about all that.
If he wins his appeal, he'll be unrestricted, but then he's going to get paid quite a bit by someone as an unknown. Not in Cousins territory, but not a small amount.
I wouldn't want the Jets to go after him if he's still a RFA.
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McCarron will likely end up being a restricted free agent unless he wins his appeal. Hell get a first round tender, so we'd have to give that up to get him. I don't know about all that.
If he wins his appeal, he'll be unrestricted, but then he's going to get paid quite a bit by someone as an unknown. Not in Cousins territory, but not a small amount.
I wouldn't want the Jets to go after him if he's still a RFA.
Agreed 100%. I'd throw the kitchen sink at Cousins, he's going to get a seemingly ridiculous yearly salary but with all of our keepable talent in the early stages of their rookie contracts, we can afford huge numbers on Cousins for the next few years.
I like McCarron but like you said, he's either going to get a 1st round tender or be paid a LOT to the point where Id rather pivot up to Cousins and the proven track record.
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Agreed 100%. I'd throw the kitchen sink at Cousins, he's going to get a seemingly ridiculous yearly salary but with all of our keepable talent in the early stages of their rookie contracts, we can afford huge numbers on Cousins for the next few years.
I like McCarron but like you said, he's either going to get a 1st round tender or be paid a LOT to the point where Id rather pivot up to Cousins and the proven track record.
Good point
With all those championships Cousins has won at MSU and in Washington, it's essential that Macc throw ALL 80 million cap space at him
(sarcasm)
My opinion. Vastly overrated meh. Stay clear
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Good point
With all those championships Cousins has won at MSU and in Washington, it's essential that Macc throw ALL 80 million cap space at him
(sarcasm)
My opinion. Vastly overrated meh. Stay clear
So you think it's clearly better to take Mayfield, who is widely considered to be at best the 3rd best QB in the draft, all because Cousins hasn't willed his team to the playoffs despite the turds around him? Because Cousins hasn't forcibly controlled the talent and play around him?
No one knows what the best decision is. Anyone who signs Cousins will be overpaying. That's just facts in the NFL.
We'll have $90 million in cap space. Not saying we should waste any of it, but I don't think we'd exactly be in the poor house if we did sign him.
I appreciate the attitude that Mayfield brings to the position, but as you don't think Cousins is any good, I don't think Mayfield is worth our first rounder. I like his attitude and he's certainly put up numbers and accolades, but there's a reason he isn't going number one overall.
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So you think it's clearly better to take Mayfield, who is widely considered to be at best the 3rd best QB in the draft, all because Cousins hasn't willed his team to the playoffs despite the turds around him? Because Cousins hasn't forcibly controlled the talent and play around him?
No one knows what the best decision is.
I read an article where a scout said BM should be the first QB taken based on his record and skillset. I am not lying, I will try and look for it.
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I would only want McCarron as a UFA as well. Unless the Bengals were willing to trade him for a lower pick. They were ready to do it for a second and third before the Browns pulled a Browns. I wouldn't make that trade either, though having two second rounders helps.
I certainly wouldn't have any problem signing Cousins. He would instantly improve the offense. But he comes with a much higher price tag. I just don't see McCarron getting anywhere near the money Cousins is going to get. The savings could be used to upgrade the offensive line and corner, then the draft can be dedicated to C, OLB, RB, and some depth at CB and OL.
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I read an article where a scout said BM should be the first QB taken based on his record and skillset. I am not lying, I will try and look for it.
He made a couple mistakes off the field and he isn't 6'5. That will make him a bargain where we pick.
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With all the cap space teams have accumulated, we will need to get used to new, inflated contracts across the board. No more signing an average guard for $2 million.
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I'm selling myself on Cousins simply because of how much else it would allow us to upgrade. If we have to commit our first round pick to a QB, and potentially more if we have to trade up, we're not going to be able to do a lot of other things. We have a lot of cap space but FA looks a bit crap at our positions of need.
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I'm selling myself on Cousins simply because of how much else it would allow us to upgrade. If we have to commit our first round pick to a QB, and potentially more if we have to trade up, we're not going to be able to do a lot of other things. We have a lot of cap space but FA looks a bit crap at our positions of need.
I agree. I wish I was Cousins' agent. $$$$$
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I'll also say that I won't be as thrilled if we end up with a Tyrod Taylor type mid-level free agent as our starter.
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So you think it's clearly better to take Mayfield, who is widely considered to be at best the 3rd best QB in the draft, all because Cousins hasn't willed his team to the playoffs despite the turds around him? Because Cousins hasn't forcibly controlled the talent and play around him?
I'm going to play devils advocate here....Garopplo came into a 1-9 team, and went 4-0. I don't think Washington's failures are all or even mostly on Cousins, but it is a knock on him that Washinton hasn't had better than a .500 record with him as QB, and he has 0 playoff wins. Once again, not all his fault, but for 30M a year at QB, I'd expect to be in the playoff hunt every year with even remotely decent talent on the team.
We'll have $90 million in cap space. Not saying we should waste any of it, but I don't think we'd exactly be in the poor house if we did sign him.
We do have a ton of cap space now, but 30M is still almost 20% of the cap on 1 player. If you get that wrong, it can be just as crippling as drafting a bust. Dedicating that much of your cap to 1 player, the scouting department and FO has to be stable and very competent as the infusion of talent will have to be mostly through the draft in the future. Signing Cousins makes sense, but I don't think its as simple as "we have the money now, so do it."
I appreciate the attitude that Mayfield brings to the position, but as you don't think Cousins is any good, I don't think Mayfield is worth our first rounder. I like his attitude and he's certainly put up numbers and accolades, but there's a reason he isn't going number one overall.
Wentz didn't going #1 overall either, along with many other successful QBs. I think thats a tough thing to say about Mayfield. This QB class is good and deep. In other years Mayfied would be the #1 QB on the board and a top 3 pick. I'm not going to hold it against him that Rosen and Darnold are great prospects. IMO, if Mayfield was 2 inches taller, he'd be the consensus #1 pick.
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^Good points. I'm fine with Mayfield if that's what they do. I'm fine with Cousins or even moving up for one of the other 2 QBs.
What I'm saying is that all are gambles to a certain extent and I don't know that one choice is worlds better than any of the others. I have my preferences but I'm not going to bash the other options much either.
I think Mayfield is probably the lowest risk because you don't have to trade up (at least not as things stand now) and you don't have to pay him a ton for 4 years. If he busts you lost a first round pick.
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^Good points. I'm fine with Mayfield if that's what they do. I'm fine with Cousins or even moving up for one of the other 2 QBs.
What I'm saying is that all are gambles to a certain extent and I don't know that one choice is worlds better than any of the others. I have my preferences but I'm not going to bash the other options much either.
I think Mayfield is probably the lowest risk because you don't have to trade up (at least not as things stand now) and you don't have to pay him a ton for 4 years. If he busts you lost a first round pick.
Yeah, definitely agree. For once we have a few possibilities to really solve the QB position... hopefully they take advantage of one of them
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^Good points. I'm fine with Mayfield if that's what they do. I'm fine with Cousins or even moving up for one of the other 2 QBs.
What I'm saying is that all are gambles to a certain extent and I don't know that one choice is worlds better than any of the others. I have my preferences but I'm not going to bash the other options much either.
I think Mayfield is probably the lowest risk because you don't have to trade up (at least not as things stand now) and you don't have to pay him a ton for 4 years. If he busts you lost a first round pick.
This might sound insane, but I'd be busting my derriere behind the scenes if I'm Duff trying to secure a trade up before FA starts. If you are certain you can lock in a trade (preferably have it done) then you don't have to go get into the Cousins race.
What do you do if you are Duff and you were 100% in on Cousins and lose out? Do you then agree to give up a third 1st round pick to get up for your guy? Do you reach for a guy you aren't sure is worthy of your slot? Do you play the board and take the BPA and walk out of the draft without a QB after striking out in FA? You have one goal/priority this offseason, and it's to get a QB, you simply can't walk into next year without something worth talking about.
In a way I wish FA was after the draft this year. If we strike out on our guy in the draft, I'd be much more OK with paying Cousins a excrement ton.
Hell given our insane amount of cap space, you could even consider floating Cousins 45 million in year 1 and then pay him $15 million a year in each of the next 3. That puts his deal at 4 years for $90 million, right around what I wager he will get. That way you get your guy, he gets his insane yearly average, but yet in the coming years you get a reasonable cap hit to ensure you can put talent around him.
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Good point
With all those championships Cousins has won at MSU and in Washington, it's essential that Macc throw ALL 80 million cap space at him
(sarcasm)
My opinion. Vastly overrated meh. Stay clear
You do know that when a player signs a contract the money is broken down and divided (based on the terms of the contract) over the life of said contract? So us 'throwing' ALL 80 mil at a QB who has never won a championship at Michigan St. or in Washington (two year in year out championship contenders should I add) would be totally unrealistic, irrelevant and nonsensical.
(Serious question; no sarcasm)
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This might sound insane, but I'd be busting my derriere behind the scenes if I'm Duff trying to secure a trade up before FA starts. If you are certain you can lock in a trade (preferably have it done) then you don't have to go get into the Cousins race.
What do you do if you are Duff and you were 100% in on Cousins and lose out? Do you then agree to give up a third 1st round pick to get up for your guy? Do you reach for a guy you aren't sure is worthy of your slot? Do you play the board and take the BPA and walk out of the draft without a QB after striking out in FA? You have one goal/priority this offseason, and it's to get a QB, you simply can't walk into next year without something worth talking about.
In a way I wish FA was after the draft this year. If we strike out on our guy in the draft, I'd be much more OK with paying Cousins a excrement ton.
Hell given our insane amount of cap space, you could even consider floating Cousins 45 million in year 1 and then pay him $15 million a year in each of the next 3. That puts his deal at 4 years for $90 million, right around what I wager he will get. That way you get your guy, he gets his insane yearly average, but yet in the coming years you get a reasonable cap hit to ensure you can put talent around him.
Cousins is going to get more than $25 million per year. He will have the biggest contract in the NFL. If he gets a 4 year deal, it'll be beyond $100 million total. How it's configured, who knows.
Matt Stafford has the biggest deal. He's getting $27 million per year. Timing is almost as important as talent.
Cousins gambled on himself and won big. Almost like Flacco did, except Flacco had some loyalty to the Ravens. Cousins will have a large number of suitors and no loyalty to the Redskins because of the way they handled him. In fact he'd prefer to leave. He stuck it out and played well enough to be the future for some team. Dude's gonna rake in the cash and get a choice of where to go from several options. Good for him. I have a feeling that in the end, it'll be the best situation that he picks, not the best deal. A couple of million a year extra isn't going to make him sign with a shitty organization. He wants to win.
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I'd be fine if we go with Cousins, but I think he's going to get way more than we want to spend from someone lower than us in the draft.
I'll pass on the top 2 for various reasons, but mainly because this is a good QB class and May should fall in our laps. We'll see what happens in the bowls. If he wins a championship, things could change.
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NFC personnel guy convinced Browns will take Josh Allen at No. 1, leaving Dave Gettleman (with a Giants loss or Colts win Sunday) to pick Rosen, Darnold, or Barkley.
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NFC personnel guy convinced Browns will take Josh Allen at No. 1, leaving Dave Gettleman (with a Giants loss or Colts win Sunday) to pick Rosen, Darnold, or Barkley.
Awful early to believe this stuff, but that's funny.
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NFC personnel guy convinced Browns will take Josh Allen at No. 1, leaving Dave Gettleman (with a Giants loss or Colts win Sunday) to pick Rosen, Darnold, or Barkley.
This would be beyond amazing.
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Plot twist, Browns trade up from 4 to 2 and take both Rosen and Darnold.
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I obviously respect your opinions bo on this and everything football.
I watched Cousins at Mich St and with Washington and never saw a QB who could take an offense on his back and carry it over the finish line
I have seen that with Mayfield particularly and a couple others in the 2018 QB class.
Of course, the question of whether they can translate that to the NFL is always up in the air where a sixth round pick is currently the best QB of his era.
But I would prefer the Jets take their shot at the potential franchise QB in this draft than spend big cap assets on a Cousins
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This goes in the fake news thread
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Awful early to believe this stuff, but that's funny.
This is the time when excrement leaks out that it's almost worth believing. It's early in the process before anything negative workout wise comes out.
As for Rosen anybody who pretends they aren't terrified of his concussions situation is lying to you. I'd be plenty happy with him, but I also have to accept that he could get Steve Young'ed before his first contract ends.
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I obviously respect your opinions bo on this and everything football.
I watched Cousins at Mich St and with Washington and never saw a QB who could take an offense on his back and carry it over the finish line
I have seen that with Mayfield particularly and a couple others in the 2018 QB class.
Of course, the question of whether they can translate that to the NFL is always up in the air where a sixth round pick is currently the best QB of his era.
But I would prefer the Jets take their shot at the potential franchise QB in this draft than spend big cap assets on a Cousins
Cousins has already proven he can hang. The guy is winning games with shitty weapons. That's a proven commodity in the NFL.
I agree that we should find our franchise QB in the draft, but I have zero issue with exploring a possible fit with Cousins. He's a leader, can make all the throws and is entering his prime.
EDIT: my issue is more about having the right CS to develop a rookie QB. If you look at Wentz and Goff, both of their HCs are former QBs....Cousins had Jay Gruden (young offensive mind) and Kyle Shanahan....speaking of Shanahan, Garappolo looks pretty good in his system. Watson has Bill O'Brien...Bortles has looked pretty decent the last month or so, when he was supposed to be a POS, he has Doug Marrone. I want to give Morton a chance, but we need to get this right. I don't want the Jets to ruin another rookie QB.
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lol
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Mark Schlereth doesn't know who Cam Newton is, huh?
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Mark Schlereth doesn't know who Cam Newton is, huh?
or Carson Palmer.
in b4 sg3 shits on him for being a USC QB.
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or Carson Palmer.
in b4 sg3 shits on him for being a USC QB.
Carson Palmchez
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Watched 4 games of Josh Allen this morning while bored at work...
That dude threw on the run like 40% of the time, whether by design or being flushed out of the pocket. I'm sure that didn't really help out his completion percentage. His supporting cast is just not good. Constantly put in 3rd and long and minimal time in the pocket. His receivers didn't get much separation.
It was kind of a recipe for disaster for Allen this year... his top WR, TE, RB and C left for the NFL. He was put in situations where he constantly had to throw the ball down the field, but his OL didn't give him much time and his receivers were hardly open. He developed some bad habits along the way as a result. Almost every other college QB I've watched is given plenty of easy completions through receiver screens and quick passes.
He's a tough prospect to evaluate. I don't think he is nearly as bad as his stats may indicate though. I can see why a team would love him if he does well at the senior bowl and interviews well. Right now, I'd rather the Jets not take a chance on him.
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Phil Savage was on the radio today and to paraphrase (it's a basic gist) what he said:
The big 3:
Darnold and Rosen were over-rated/over-hyped coming into the season. Darnold is cool under pressure and can make all the throws but had turnover issues. Rosen is a pure thrower etc. Josh Allen is a small school guy that will open eyes at combine, prototypical QB, was compared to Wentz.
Baker-Mayfield, said in the past 2/3rds of the teams would have passed just because of his size. That's reversed now where 2/3 don't care. He's a winner and great football player. HE will be given a pass on the antics off the field stuff. The team that drafts him will have to commit and bring in parts of the offense from college that worked well for BM.
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Phil Savage was on the radio today and to paraphrase (it's a basic gist) what he said:
The big 3:
Darnold and Rosen were over-rated/over-hyped coming into the season. Darnold is cool under pressure and can make all the throws but had turnover issues. Rosen is a pure thrower etc. Josh Allen is a small school guy that will open eyes at combine, prototypical QB, was compared to Wentz.
Baker-Mayfield, said in the past 2/3rds of the teams would have passed just because of his size. That's reversed now where 2/3 don't care. He's a winner and great football player. HE will be given a pass on the antics off the field stuff. The team that drafts him will have to commit and bring in parts of the offense from college that worked well for BM.
That seems to be what most are saying. I'm trying not to think about Rosen or Darnold much because I'm not sure Darnold will declare and even still he won't be on the board for us at 6 or even after 2.
My concerns with Mayfield will be passing in the pocket and having to fit throws into tighter windows in the NFL. I'm frankly not that concerned with off the field stuff. He has the tough mentality to handle NY, it's whether he can handle throws that may not be as wide open as in college and not trying to be a gambler and just take the easy completion when it's there. I think Morton would be a good option since he would likely use some of what he's comfortable with to get him accustomed to the NFL.
I don't know if Josh Allen going to be Hackenberg part 2, but that bugs me some.
It's gonna be fun! I hope we take Key.
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Phil Savage was on the radio today and to paraphrase (it's a basic gist) what he said:
The big 3:
Darnold and Rosen were over-rated/over-hyped coming into the season. Darnold is cool under pressure and can make all the throws but had turnover issues. Rosen is a pure thrower etc. Josh Allen is a small school guy that will open eyes at combine, prototypical QB, was compared to Wentz.
Baker-Mayfield, said in the past 2/3rds of the teams would have passed just because of his size. That's reversed now where 2/3 don't care. He's a winner and great football player. HE will be given a pass on the antics off the field stuff. The team that drafts him will have to commit and bring in parts of the offense from college that worked well for BM.
Good summary, I would agree with pretty much everything in here
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Phil Savage was on the radio today and to paraphrase (it's a basic gist) what he said:
aker-Mayfield, said in the past 2/3rds of the teams would have passed just because of his size. That's reversed now where 2/3 don't care. He's a winner and great football player. HE will be given a pass on the antics off the field stuff. The team that drafts him will have to commit and bring in parts of the offense from college that worked well for BM.
I think Morton would be great for Mayfield.
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I think Morton would be great for Mayfield.
Agree. I don’t think height would be an issue in this scheme. Sean Payton/Drew Brees, right?
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Height really doesn't matter that much anymore because so many more NFL teams are using spread and air raid concepts with the QB in the shotgun.
You don't want a midget back there, but 5'11 to 6'0 is fine if the QB is a good athlete (like Brees, Wilson, and now Mayfiled).
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I have never wanted to watch a bowl game this much. Is it 2018 yet?
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I have never wanted to watch a bowl game this much. Is it 2018 yet?
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The best quarterback in this class plays tonight.
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or Carson Palmer.
in b4 sg3 shits on him for being a USC QB.
One success and three massive busts in the last five is a terrific indicator
Leinart
Buttfumble
Barkley
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One success and three massive busts in the last five is a terrific indicator
Leinart
Buttfumble
Barkley
No it's not. In fact, your definition of what an "indicator" is insults this entire forum.
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One success and three massive busts in the last five is a terrific indicator
Leinart
Buttfumble
Barkley
You want to determine the success rate of every college producing QBs?
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One success and three massive busts in the last five is a terrific indicator
Leinart
Buttfumble
Barkley
What....?
Besides the school, what connections do the players have with each other? Is it the same coaches? Training staff? Do they practice the same QB style? This is blatantly hack statement that I expect from a caller on a local radio station at 3am trying to fill time.
You suck.
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Joe Montana must be a piece of trash because Notre Dame also churned out Brady Quinn, Jimmy Clausen, Rick Mirer and Deshone Kizer.
#sg3Logic
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I apologize
I forgot that the opinion of Mr. All Knowing arbiter of everything MB Green is sacred and opinions that disagree with his are mocked
I stand corrected
Sam Darnold is the next Brady, Montana and Unitas all rolled up into one.
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I apologize
I forgot that the opinion of Mr. All Knowing arbiter of everything MB Green is sacred and opinions that disagree with his are mocked
I stand corrected
Sam Darnold is the next Brady, Montana and Unitas all rolled up into one.
Instead of throwing a hissy fit like a teenage girl, why don't you answer my question?
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I apologize
I forgot that the opinion of Mr. All Knowing arbiter of everything MB Green is sacred and opinions that disagree with his are mocked
I stand corrected
Sam Darnold is the next Brady, Montana and Unitas all rolled up into one.
your lack of intelligence and football analysis is duly noted.
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your lack of intelligence and football analysis is duly noted.
I agree
Your lack of intelligence and football analysis is duly noted.
In fact, none of us now how Sammy will turn out.
I suggest a tabling of this discussion until he is drafted, whenever and then let's see if he is any good
Won't be with the Jets, so lets move on
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I agree
Your lack of intelligence and football analysis is duly noted.
In fact, none of us now how Sammy will turn out.
I suggest a tabling of this discussion until he is drafted, whenever and then let's see if he is any good
Won't be with the Jets, so lets move on
Sorry, your flawed logic isn't capable of discussion.
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Instead of throwing a hissy fit like a teenage girl, why don't you answer my question?
Spoiler alert: sg3 is an elderly woman that behaves like a little girl
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What....?
Besides the school, what connections do the players have with each other? Is it the same coaches? Training staff? Do they practice the same QB style? This is blatantly hack statement that I expect from a caller on a local radio station at 3am trying to fill time.
You suck.
Sg3 is really Ira from Staten Island.
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The best quarterback in this class plays tonight.
Possibly the best QB in the draft, that we have no shot of getting if he even declares, plays tonight.
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Possibly the best QB in the draft, that we have no shot of getting if he even declares, plays tonight.
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#BOTD
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You want to determine the success rate of every college producing QBs?
*crickets*
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As a rule, I don't trust quarterbacks with a last name for a first name.
But I still want Baker Mayfield over anyone.
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my love for Lamar Jackson has rekindled. Wouldn't mind him in the 2nd round, or trading back into bottom of the 1st round for him.
Just need to feed him a few veggie hotdogs to bulk him up a little.
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my love for Lamar Jackson has rekindled. Wouldn't mind him in the 2nd round, or trading back into bottom of the 1st round for him.
Just need to feed him a few veggie hotdogs to bulk him up a little.
Why?
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Why?
he's a little undersized.
take him to BWW for a salt run
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he's a little undersized.
take him to BWW for a salt run
Bloated Lamar Jackson now has a blood pressure of 150/100
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I think Lamar is the type of QB where he could be a star right away with his style of play. However, can he hold up long-term, and will defenses figure him out?
If he runs a sub-4.4 40 time, I could see some people falling back in love with him as a QB. I would love to see a creative team try to put him in a system to maximize his strengths. Hopefully, that's the Jets, but as long as Todd Bowles is coach, I don't expect any innovation.
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If we retain McCown, draft a rookie and can trade Hack for a 6th, you had better believe Duff will do just that.
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If we retain McCown, draft a rookie and can trade Hack for a 6th, you had better believe Duff will do just that.
I posted this in the wrong thread, but I don't think anyone is giving anything for Hackenberg unless he's an add-on to some other deal.
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From Peter King:
So in my rounds on the phone over the weekend, I heard this from a veteran college scout, a man who was one of the first to trumpet Carson Wentz as a high first-rounder during his final season at North Dakota State, on the fate of the first pick in the 2018 NFL Draft, and on what Cleveland GM John Dorsey might do: “I believe there is no way Cleveland, at number one, will pass on [Wyoming quarterback] Josh Allen. This is Wentz reincarnated. Allen’s a perfect Dorsey quarterback. Just watch.”
Josh Allen, he of the very shaky senior season at Wyoming, the first overall pick four months from now. Hey, I’m just the messenger.
Giants take Rosen. We leap frog Denver by trading 6th pick and either our 3rd or Seattle's 2nd to Cleveland for the 4th pick. We take Darnold.
I can dream, right?
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From Peter King:
Giants take Rosen. We leap frog Denver by trading 6th pick and either our 3rd or Seattle's 2nd to Cleveland for the 4th pick. We take Darnold.
I can dream, right?
Probably have to go to 3 to beat the other teams trying to jump up.
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I'm on the Baker Mayfield train.
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From Peter King:
Giants take Rosen. We leap frog Denver by trading 6th pick and either our 3rd or Seattle's 2nd to Cleveland for the 4th pick. We take Darnold.
I can dream, right?
If Allen is Clevelands guy, it just became a whole lot easier for us to get one of the guys we (as fans) covet
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I'm on the Baker Mayfield train.
I really like Mayfield and would love him at 6, but if we have a reasonable shot at Darnold who I still think is the best QB in the draft, you have to try and get him imo.
On a side note, I'm pumped for Mayfield's game tonight.
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I'm on the Baker Mayfield train.
Yessir. Part of me is hoping he doesn’t play too well tonight.
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I am not getting a chubby over this. Lmao at suspect info 4 months before the draft. We all know how accurate crap like this is, almost about as accurate as MB saying Bowles would be fired after this year and he was given an extension.
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Things will change a hundred times over between now and the draft.
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I bet $1 the Browns don't take Allen first overall.
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I am not getting a chubby over this. Lmao at suspect info 4 months before the draft. We all know how accurate crap like this is, almost about as accurate as MB saying Bowles would be fired after this year and he was given an extension.
wanting him fired didn't mean it was going to happen.
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wanting him fired didn't mean it was going to happen.
You are wrong.
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You are wrong.
veto
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“Josh Allen- highest ceiling and lowest floor out of group including Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield.”
- Daniel Jeremiah
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“Josh Allen- highest ceiling and lowest floor out of group including Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield.”
- Daniel Jeremiah
That's fair.
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“Josh Allen- highest ceiling and lowest floor out of group including Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield.”
- Daniel Jeremiah
And sadly scouts fall for prospects with incredibly high ceilings.
I have a hard time believing Allen won't be a top 10 pick.
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“Josh Allen- highest ceiling and lowest floor out of group including Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield.”
- Daniel Jeremiah
Did you listen to his Dan Patrick interview? He said it there for sure.
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And sadly scouts fall for prospects with incredibly high ceilings.
I have a hard time believing Allen won't be a top 10 pick.
He's being favorably compared to Wentz, you better believe some scouts will fall in love with that.
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What makes his ceiling higher than Darnold's?
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What makes his ceiling higher than Darnold's?
bigger dick?
Puck would know.
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bigger dick?
Puck would know.
A bigger dick would interfere with pocket awareness. I want a QB with micropeen.
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A bigger dick would interfere with pocket awareness. I want a QB with micropeen.
Garrett Grayson #NeverForgotten
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What makes his ceiling higher than Darnold's?
Yeah idk if I agree with that but size/athleticism wise Allen’s ceiling is higher. When you grade their arms and QB IQ Darnold has the clear advantage. Which is obviously much more valuable.
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Yeah idk if I agree with that but size/athleticism wise Allen’s ceiling is higher. When you grade their arms and QB IQ Darnold has the clear advantage. Which is obviously much more valuable.
Yeah but who has the intangibles?
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Yeah but who has the intangibles?
Darnold would probably be at the top of that list
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Yeah but who has the intangibles?
Allen’s intangibles involve him owning an 0-fer record against power 5 teams with a 1-8 TD-INT ratio.
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Allen’s intangibles involve him owning an 0-fer record against power 5 teams with a 1-8 TD-INT ratio.
No but that's tangible.
In-tang-ibles only please.
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No but that's tangible.
In-tang-ibles only please.
Darnold's inner krang?
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Allen has the ceiling because he has unreal arm talent, and he's also an extremely good athlete. I also highly doubt he ever comes close to reaching that ceiling.
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The Bills will own the No. 21 and No. 22 (from Kansas City) picks in the 2018 NFL Draft. They also own their original second-round pick and the Rams' second-round pick.
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The Bills will own the No. 21 and No. 22 (from Kansas City) picks in the 2018 NFL Draft. They also own their original second-round pick and the Rams' second-round pick.
They have a lot of draft capital, but our picks in the first two rounds are worth more than theirs based on the draft trade value chart.
I'm not sure a team will want to move from the top 5 down to the 20s. Thats a big drop.
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Drew Lock Returning to school
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Drew Lock Returning to school
Same with Jarrett Stidham. Think we’re still waiting on Ryan Finley and Kurt Benkert.
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Same with Jarrett Stidham. Think we’re still waiting on Ryan Finley and Kurt Benkert.
Finley is staying
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Not that Bart Scott is any kind of insider but if his whole "Todd Bowles and Mike Maccagnan will try to speed up the 5 year plan to to 3 (this year), trade a second for Alex Smith and not draft a QB high because they don't have the time left to develop one" idea comes true just throw me off a bridge now..
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Not that Bart Scott is any kind of insider but if his whole "Todd Bowles and Mike Maccagnan will try to speed up the 5 year plan to to 3 (this year), trade a second for Alex Smith and not draft a QB high because they don't have the time left to develop one" idea comes true just throw me off a bridge now..
I don't mind that idea if you replace Alex Smith with Kirk Cousins
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Not that Bart Scott is any kind of insider but if his whole "Todd Bowles and Mike Maccagnan will try to speed up the 5 year plan to to 3 (this year), trade a second for Alex Smith and not draft a QB high because they don't have the time left to develop one" idea comes true just throw me off a bridge now..
ditto
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Not that Bart Scott is any kind of insider but if his whole "Todd Bowles and Mike Maccagnan will try to speed up the 5 year plan to to 3 (this year), trade a second for Alex Smith and not draft a QB high because they don't have the time left to develop one" idea comes true just throw me off a bridge now..
They have 3 years left on their deals, why would their plan suddenly shift to 3 years now that they are extended.
Seriously though, freak the idea of Alex Smith coming here via trade. Its one thing if they end up drafting Mayfield, Jackson or Allen and believe they need to sit like Mahomes, but the idea that Alex Smith is the solution at QB? Makes me kind of sick to think about. He's just a 2-3 year bandaid instead of our typical 1 year bandaid.
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Rolling the dice and drafting May, while keeping McCown and Hack still seems like a better option if Cousins doesn't pan out.
I like Alex Smith, but at his age he's not worth a draft pick.
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Dunno how on board I am with Josh Allen, but some of these throws are damn impressive https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/951508779954266112
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Dunno how on board I am with Josh Allen, but some of these throws are damn impressive https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/951508779954266112
Goddamn, that's a cannon.
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Dunno how on board I am with Josh Allen, but some of these throws are damn impressive https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/951508779954266112
He's got some AARON Rodgers type zip on the ball and mobility. I don't know how many of those plays you're making in the NFL but it's going to be fun to watch.
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Overriding thoughts from those videos:
- ridiculously good arm
- can someone just once maybe try and make a block for him?
- that blue field is hideous and looks like arena league
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Josh Allen has the most impressive highlight tapes of any QB in this draft with the possible exception of Lamar Jackson. Allen's best plays are unbelievable.
Josh Allen is the most talented quarterback in the NFL Draft when it comes to athleticism and arm strength. He's got an absolute howitzer, and he's very athletic, too. There are a number of plays where he's about to be dragged down in the backfield, but somehow he stays up and makes a play. His upside is Ben Roethlisberger, though Allen might have an even bigger arm.
The problem is that he's got a lot of Hackenberg traits, too. He's consistently inaccurate and he consistently makes poor decisions. His supporting cast did not help at all either.
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Josh Allen has the most impressive highlight tapes of any QB in this draft with the possible exception of Lamar Jackson. Allen's best plays are unbelievable.
Josh Allen is the most talented quarterback in the NFL Draft when it comes to athleticism and arm strength. He's got an absolute howitzer, and he's very athletic, too. There are a number of plays where he's about to be dragged down in the backfield, but somehow he stays up and makes a play. His upside is Ben Roethlisberger, though Allen might have an even bigger arm.
The problem is that he's got a lot of Hackenberg traits, too. He's consistently inaccurate and he consistently makes poor decisions. His supporting cast did not help at all either.
I honestly think his upside is greater than Big Ben. He's got a better arm and more athleticism. I think the Senior Bowl could be huge for him. If he shows even average accuracy there, he'll be a top 5 pick.
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Do not want
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Do not want
I'll find a way to get hyped about if they drafted him. Im a sunshiner by nature.
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I'll find a way to get hyped about if they drafted him. Im a sunshiner by nature.
#FireBo
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I didn't think Chase Litton would declare, but he did. This strengthens the QB group even more.
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I didn't think Chase Litton would declare, but he did. This strengthens the QB group even more.
His name is Chase. He cannot be an NFL starter.
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I didn't think Chase Litton would declare, but he did. This strengthens the QB group even more.
is he 1st rd material?
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is he 1st rd material?
Not in this group.
Probably 2nd-4th
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I didn't think Chase Litton would declare, but he did. This strengthens the QB group even more.
Thoughts on Mike White and Kyle Lauletta? I just saw they’ll both be at the senior bowl.
Also haven’t seen anything on Trace McSorely (gotta think he’s returning) and Kyle Shurmur (no idea)
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Trace McSorely
Penn State has joined USC on the "No Quarterbacks" list in the Jets' war room.
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Thoughts on Mike White and Kyle Lauletta? I just saw they’ll both be at the senior bowl.
Also haven’t seen anything on Trace McSorely (gotta think he’s returning) and Kyle Shurmur (no idea)
White looked good in 2016. He was awful in 2017 after Jeff Brohm left for Purdue.
McSorley was a lot better this year, but I want to see another year out of him before I think of him as a top NFL guy.
Shurmur looked good early in the year when they played nobodies. He's not awful, but he doesn't look like much more than a late round flier as of now.
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McSorley was a lot better this year, but I want to see another year out of him before I think of him as a top nfl guy
WUT?!
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The Jets met with Sam Houston State QB Jeremiah Briscoe at the Shrine Game practices.
Super Bowl
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We got Lac Edwards from SHSU, why not a QB?
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000907475/article/ask-5-which-qb-do-you-prefer-baker-mayfield-or-josh-allen
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https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/browns/mel-kiper-jr-explains-why-hes-predicting-the-browns-will-draft-wyoming-quarterback-josh-allen-at-no-1-overall
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“I think he’s a wide receiver and a dynamic wide receiver.” Bill Polian on Lamar Jackson. He cited concerns about his frame, accuracy and penchant to take off and run.
McShay thinks he’ll get drafted as a QB and transition to WR. Kiper thinks Jackson is a 2nd and rates him behind Mason Rudolph.”
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“I think he’s a wide receiver and a dynamic wide receiver.” Bill Polian on Lamar Jackson. He cited concerns about his frame, accuracy and penchant to take off and run.
McShay thinks he’ll get drafted as a QB and transition to WR. Kiper thinks Jackson is a 2nd and rates him behind Mason Rudolph.”
None of these social media "scouts" seem to mention Josh Allen's even more prevalent penchant to run, but something tells me it has a lot to do with one factor that has absolutely nothing to do with football.
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@baker_mayfield:Just so everybody knows... I commented about playing for Miami because I was talking to a former Sooner in Kenny Stills. Everybody can relax, I will play anywhere that gives me a chance. I'm not picky, I will go anywhere and strive to uplift a franchise and win ball games.
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I will be fine if the Jets draft Mayfield, but I will also lobby to have his twitter account turned off if he is a Jet.
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I will be fine if the Jets draft Mayfield, but I will also lobby to have his twitter account turned off if he is a Jet.
Mayfield may never be Brees (though he could be), but he is a day 1 starter, not a project. I'd roll those dice.
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None of these social media "scouts" seem to mention Josh Allen's even more prevalent penchant to run, but something tells me it has a lot to do with one factor that has absolutely nothing to do with football.
Credit score?
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Credit score?
700 FICO. Undraftable.
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Mayfield may never be Brees (though he could be), but he is a day 1 starter, not a project. I'd roll those dice.
Lol have you seen Oklahoma's offense? He's got alot to learn.
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Lol have you seen Oklahoma's offense? He's got alot to learn.
Meh, so does every QB coming out of college. The key is giving them a chance and calling plays to their strengths while they adjust to the offense. Much of that is on the coaching staff, but it's also on the GM to build an OL that will give him time.
I don't care whether it is Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. If we start a rookie QB we're looking at another high draft pick next year. The key is to not get them killed.
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Meh, so does every QB coming out of college. The key is giving them a chance and calling plays to their strengths while they adjust to the offense. Much of that is on the coaching staff, but it's also on the GM to build an OL that will give him time.
I don't care whether it is Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. If we start a rookie QB we're looking at another high draft pick next year. The key is to not get them killed.
Rosen and darnold have alot less to learn. Mayfield is definitely a project.
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Rosen and darnold have alot less to learn. Mayfield is definitely a project.
We can agree to disagree. Other than his height, I don't much of a difference. Every QB coming in has needed to be under center more. May seems to read the field well, and goes through his progressions. While he forced the ball to his TE down the seam at times, he didn't make many dumb mistakes.
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If we get a QB at 6, we need to shift the draft focus to offense for the rest of the draft. We want to surround a new QB with several young playmakers and protectors that he can grow with
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Giants’ GM Dave Gettleman wants Eli Manning at quarterback, but will look at 2018 class, per @mortreport.
https://t.co/MZoBFrTdc2
What are the chances we could trade up with the Giants?
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Giants’ GM Dave Gettleman wants Eli Manning at quarterback, but will look at 2018 class, per @mortreport.
https://t.co/MZoBFrTdc2
What are the chances we could trade up with the Giants?
0%, seriously, it would never happen.
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Giants’ GM Dave Gettleman wants Eli Manning at quarterback, but will look at 2018 class, per @mortreport.
https://t.co/MZoBFrTdc2
What are the chances we could trade up with the Giants?
I would be shocked if they passed on Barkley at 2.
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Josh Allen really just said “stats are for losers” on 92.3..
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Former Wyoming QB Josh Allen on @923TheFan: “I want to be the guy to turnaround the Cleveland Browns”
By all means
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By all means
yes please
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Hahaha
"Stats are for losers."
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Hahaha
"Stats are for losers."
JE has already bought his jersey
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JE has already bought his jersey
Now if he said PFF is for losers....
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JE has already bought his jersey
Clearly a smart kid.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Josh Rosen drop a little bit as things go along due to perceived attitude/diva issues. I don't know much about all that, but he might be the guy that the Jets could have a shot at if they move up to 3. Obviously way too early, but most seem to have Darnold ahead of him then there's Barkley that could go at 2.
If you are Duff, do you move up to 3 for Rosen if we strike out in free agency?
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Josh Rosen drop a little bit as things go along due to perceived attitude/diva issues. I don't know much about all that, but he might be the guy that the Jets could have a shot at if they move up to 3. Obviously way too early, but most seem to have Darnold ahead of him then there's Barkley that could go at 2.
If you are Duff, do you move up to 3 for Rosen if we strike out in free agency?
No, he has Petty and Hackenberg............
Jesus H Christ, of course you do you turd sniffer.
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No, he has Petty and Hackenberg............
Jesus H Christ, of course you do you turd sniffer.
Listen derriere-butt! I need you to chill with the potty mouth! We're just trying to have a mature conversation!
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Listen derriere-butt! I need you to chill with the potty mouth! We're just trying to have a mature conversation!
Why you stutter?
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Josh Rosen drop a little bit as things go along due to perceived attitude/diva issues. I don't know much about all that, but he might be the guy that the Jets could have a shot at if they move up to 3. Obviously way too early, but most seem to have Darnold ahead of him then there's Barkley that could go at 2.
If you are Duff, do you move up to 3 for Rosen if we strike out in free agency?
I think Rosen is more likely to drop due to concussion concerns than anything else.
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Baker Mayfield measured 6-0 3/8 and 216 pounds at the Senior Bowl.
9.5 inch hands.
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Baker Mayfield measured 6-0 3/8 and 216 pounds at the Senior Bowl.
9.5 inch hands.
Not bad, hand size checks out. Basically a slightly thicker Drew Brees in terms of size.
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@CharlesRobinson: Little #SeniorBowl scuttlebutt. Have heard for about a month now that #Saints coach Sean Payton is squarely in the camp of Baker Mayfield believers. That’s not going away.
Sean Payton being a believer makes me even more of a believer.
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"Sleeper" QB this year Kyle Lauletta out of Richmond. Good throwing mechanics and footwork imo.
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Not bad, hand size checks out. Basically a slightly thicker Drew Brees in terms of size.
but is he thick or is he slim thick
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@CharlesRobinson: Little #SeniorBowl scuttlebutt. Have heard for about a month now that #Saints coach Sean Payton is squarely in the camp of Baker Mayfield believers. That’s not going away.
Sean Payton being a believer makes me even more of a believer.
That would be a dream landing spot for May.
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Ewww.
https://twitter.com/Ryan_McCrystal/status/954169670839382016
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Ewww.
https://twitter.com/Ryan_McCrystal/status/954169670839382016
Yeah, that is really bad
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Ewww.
https://twitter.com/Ryan_McCrystal/status/954169670839382016
AYFKM?
This is what Maccagnan and his team have supposedly had a hard-on for the past few months? Those throws were atrocious. I've seen the "supporting cast" arguments regarding him, but come on. Some of those throws weren't even in the same zip code as the nearest receiver.
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AYFKM?
This is what Maccagnan and his team have supposedly had a hard-on for the past few months? Those throws were atrocious. I've seen the "supporting cast" arguments regarding him, but come on. Some of those throws weren't even in the same zip code as the nearest receiver.
In all fairness, it's all rumor about Maccagnan liking Allen.
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In all fairness, it's all rumor about Maccagnan liking Allen.
But are they really that difficult to believe considering who we spent a second round pick on two years ago?
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But are they really that difficult to believe considering who we spent a second round pick on two years ago?
Maybe he's learned his lesson. I don't believe any of this stuff. It might be true, who knows.
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But are they really that difficult to believe considering who we spent a second round pick on two years ago?
No
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AYFKM?
This is what Maccagnan and his team have supposedly had a hard-on for the past few months? Those throws were atrocious. I've seen the "supporting cast" arguments regarding him, but come on. Some of those throws weren't even in the same zip code as the nearest receiver.
These throws are horrible, but he clearly picked his worst game for most of his examples (Oregon) and most of his worst throws on tape.
He'll make some horrible throws, but he'll also make throws that only 2-3 QBs in the NFL can make. He's a scouts dream, which will probably get him overdrafted. He scares the hell out of me, especially because this is the Jets.
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Do. Not. Want.
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He reminds me a lot of Paxton Lynch at times.
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Allen threw a ball 66mph in pads and a helmet. Fastest time thrown at the combine might have been Logan Thomas and Bryan Bennett at 60mph. Pretty crazy. The pass probably went into the middle of nowhere though.
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Allen threw a ball 66mph in pads and a helmet. Fastest time thrown at the combine might have been Logan Thomas and Bryan Bennett at 60mph. Pretty crazy. The pass probably went into the middle of nowhere though.
This impresses me as much as Jamarcus Russell throwing a ball 70 yards from his knees
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This impresses me as much as Jamarcus Russell throwing a ball 70 yards from his knees
But not more impressive than Blowjangles from his knees.
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But not more impressive than Blowjangles from his knees.
It's a sight to behold.
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Man, Mayfield is so damn accurate. I don't really have concerns about him fitting the ball in tight windows either. He can ball. Clearly the most accurate QB at the SB and its not even close. Knows how to throw with anticipation and change velocity.
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“Bills, Dolphins, Jets and Saints had ‘extensive meetings’ with Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield at the Senior Bowl.”
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“Bills, Dolphins, Jets and Saints had ‘extensive meetings’ with Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield at the Senior Bowl.”
make this happen
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The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports NFL teams "haven't been scared off" with Wyoming QB Josh Allen's inconsistency at the Senior Bowl.
"You have to be honest that it's there, but he can still make throws that none of the other guys in this class can make," said one high-level team executive. "He's got tremendous arm strength, great size, he can run like hell and he's a tremendous athlete." Allen had a career 56.3 completion-percentage at Wyoming and struggled with accuracy in Senior Bowl practices. There's also concerns over his NFL-readiness despite playing in a pro-style offense. Allen is going to be one of the most debated quarterbacks leading up to the draft. Bleacher Report's Matt Miller doesn't expect Allen to fall out of the top-two picks.
Rotoworld
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Please draft him, Browns. Please.
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Please draft him, Browns. Please.
It would a typical Browns QB pick.
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Rotoworld
Matt Miller is leading the Allen hype train, but Allen going in the first 2 picks would be phenomenal.
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it's not going to happen
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it's not going to happen
Well, we will know over the next hour or two. Seems like he'll be playing the majority of the first half after Mayfield gets a couple series.
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No one is really talking about Mason Rudolph, but there are a lot of people mocking him as an early pick as well.
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No one is really talking about Mason Rudolph, but there are a lot of people mocking him as an early pick as well.
He's nothing special imo. Maybe a better version of Petty, which imo isn't worth a 1st round pick.
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No one is really talking about Mason Rudolph, but there are a lot of people mocking him as an early pick as well.
He would be good in Pittsburgh to develop behind Rapey, but I don't know they'd spend the pick on him.
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He would be good in Pittsburgh to develop behind Rapey, but I don't know they'd spend the pick on him.
I'm not convinced they'll get the chance to develop anyone behind Roethlisberger, I'm fairly sure he's going to retire this spring.
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I'm not convinced they'll get the chance to develop anyone behind Roethlisberger, I'm fairly sure he's going to retire this spring.
Ben has already said he's returning next season
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Ben has already said he's returning next season
There are apparently reports that he has said he wants to play out the last three years of his contract. Maybe I'm wrong, but we'll see. It's entirely possible that they go into next season missing Le'Veon Bell and Ryan Shazier, and they have freak all cap space with which to replace either. I'm not convinced they've got much of a window to win.
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Josh Allen with the sg3 freak you to sixfeetdeep
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Josh Allen with the sg3 freak you to sixfeetdeep
I’m ecstatic, let some other team overdraft him and he can be their problem
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I’m ecstatic, let some other team overdraft him and he can be their problem
"The Jets have traded up to the number 1 spot. Josh Allen is on the phone, hugging his Mom....."
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"The Jets have traded up to the number 1 spot. Josh Allen is on the phone, hugging his Mom....."
I hope someone douses you in napalm.
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"The Jets have traded up to the number 1 spot. Josh Allen is on the phone, hugging his Mom....."
I hope the next animal on your vet table bites your dink
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I hope someone douses you in napalm.
If anyone is hugging his Mom besides Darnold, I'll do it myself.
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https://www.diehards.com/national/film-room-josh-allen-good-bad-ugly-mysterious-nfl-draft-prospect/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Must read article on Josh Allen
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No one is really talking about Mason Rudolph, but there are a lot of people mocking him as an early pick as well.
I like Rudolph. If he and Josh Allen are both there in the 2nd I'd prefer Rudolph.
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There is no way that Allen will be there in
https://www.diehards.com/national/film-room-josh-allen-good-bad-ugly-mysterious-nfl-draft-prospect/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Must read article on Josh Allen
Some of those .gifs are pornographic.
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I like Rudolph. If he and Josh Allen are both there in the 2nd I'd prefer Rudolph.
Rudolph is not good though... I mean even if you don't consider Allen good, wouldn't you want the guy with elite upside?
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If Darnold isn't available when we pick...im leaning towards Mayfield over Rosen because of Rosen's concussion history and Mayfield's work ethic.
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Rudolph is not good though.
Thanks for clearing that up for me, I'll bump him down to UDFA.
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There is no way that Allen will be there in
Some of those .gifs are pornographic.
I got hard over those gifs even while knowing I would be disappointed later.
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Worse footwork and throwing mechanics coming out of college, Christian Hackenberg or Josh Allen?
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No one is really talking about Mason Rudolph, but there are a lot of people mocking him as an early pick as well.
Mason Rudolph is a 1st rounder, don’t @ me
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I think Allen has a far better chance than Hackenberg did. Mostly because Allen might be the most physically gifted quarterback to come out of the draft as far as I can remember. Hackenberg was physically gifted, but compared to Allen, he isn't even close.
I don't think the Jets are the best team to tap Allen's physical talent and turn him into a legitimate starting NFL quarterback.
The article is pretty spot-on.
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I don't think the Jets are the best team to tap Allen's physical talent and turn him into a legitimate starting NFL quarterback.
This is all we need to worry about.
Ideally it’s a place like NE, Pitt, NO where he has a year or 2 to develop
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I think Allen has a far better chance than Hackenberg did. Mostly because Allen might be the most physically gifted quarterback to come out of the draft as far as I can remember. Hackenberg was physically gifted, but compared to Allen, he isn't even close.
I don't think the Jets are the best team to tap Allen's physical talent and turn him into a legitimate starting NFL quarterback.
The article is pretty spot-on.
I re-thought this, and feel like you didn’t answer my question. Allen definitely has a much higher ceiling than Hackenberg.
Which QB has sloppier throwing mechanics/footwork as a prospect?
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This is all we need to worry about.
Ideally it’s a place like NE, Pitt, NO where he has a year or 2 to develop
I thought this prior to this season, the Giants are the perfect landing spot for him... Let Eli play for 2 years, and Allen will have enough time to develop.
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I re-thought this, and feel like you didn’t answer my question. Allen definitely has a much higher ceiling than Hackenberg.
Which QB has sloppier throwing mechanics/footwork as a prospect?
This may be revisionist history, but I would say Hackenberg. I think Allen's mechanics and footwork are more inconsistent than just overall sloppy like Hackenberg's coming out of college.
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This may be revisionist history, but I would say Hackenberg. I think Allen's mechanics and footwork are more inconsistent than just overall sloppy like Hackenberg's coming out of college.
Hacks problem is more about his footwork. Allen is just all over the place with his throwing mechanics.
Also hack was fine before Franklin came to town
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Reading scouting reports on Josh Allen makes me want to vomit. Jake Locker comp from Lance Zierlein.
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Reading scouting reports on Josh Allen makes me want to vomit. Jake Locker comp from Lance Zierlein.
Jake Locker was a talented player; he was let down by his body, not his ability.
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Never had completion rate higher than 56 percent in either season as a starter. Accuracy diminishes greatly when he's forced to move his feet. May have too much hero in his blood. Tries to overcome obstacles with arm talent and makes poor decisions because of it. Takes too many chances with low percentage throws. Needs to play smarter and place higher value on the ball. Fastball pitcher whose touch could use improvement short. Will baby the deep throws at times. Field-reading is spotty. Needs to be more patient in allowing combo routes to develop. Would benefit by trading some velocity for better timing. Anticipatory throws! don't seem to come naturally. Pre-snap game plan appears unfocused. Breaks from pocket without cause throwing off his timing with receivers. Doesn't keep feet "throw-ready" when sliding in pocket. Frequently defaults to off-platform throws when there is time to set feet and deliver.
No interest whatsoever in trying to develop this.
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Jake Locker was a talented player; he was let down by his body, not his ability.
I disagree, I don’t think Jake Locker was a good quarterback. At best he showed flashes. I hated him coming out of college too and thought he was way overdrafted.
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Jake Locker Completion % in college: 54%
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I disagree, I don’t think Jake Locker was a good quarterback. At best he showed flashes. I hated him coming out of college too and thought he was way overdrafted.
He wasn't NFL ready coming out of school, he was inaccurate and he made dumb decisions, but he had the tools.
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He wasn't NFL ready coming out of school, he was inaccurate and he made dumb decisions, but he had the tools.
Sounds like Josh Allen but more injury prone. Do not want.
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Jake Locker was a talented player; he was let down by his body, not his ability.
RIP Fast Sanchez
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RIP Fast Sanchez
Bigger arm than Sanchez as well, but maybe not a terribly bad comparison. I liked Sanchez though.
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Bigger arm than Sanchez as well, but maybe not a terribly bad comparison. I liked Sanchez though.
I've lost or perhaps never had the ability to see Sanchez objectively. I will always have a place in my heart for the Sanchize.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/963425427397271553?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eios%7Ctwgr%5Eother%7Ctwcon%5E7100%7Ctwterm%5E0
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/963425427397271553?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eios%7Ctwgr%5Eother%7Ctwcon%5E7100%7Ctwterm%5E0
I like Lamar Jackson...not sure at 6 though.
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Yes please.
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I feel like I'm the only person on the planet who thinks Lamar Jackson has a chance to be a dynamic NFL quarterback.
Give him a creative offensive mind to coach him, and I think he could be very good, especially in his first season before defenses can adjust.
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I feel like I'm the only person on the planet who thinks Lamar Jackson has a chance to be a dynamic NFL quarterback.
Give him a creative offensive mind to coach him, and I think he could be very good, especially in his first season before defenses can adjust.
You're not alone. I like Lamar Jackson too. If he's available in the 2nd round, and we miss out on a QB in the first....I say go for it.
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I feel like I'm the only person on the planet who thinks Lamar Jackson has a chance to be a dynamic NFL quarterback.
Give him a creative offensive mind to coach him, and I think he could be very good, especially in his first season before defenses can adjust.
He does have a chance to be a dynamic QB. There's just so much history in the NFL that says he'll be an interception machine that gets injured a lot, but makes some great plays with his legs. His knocks are being an inaccurate passer and the concern that his thin frame and penchant to run will be an injury waiting to happen in the NFL. Hopefully he proves everyone wrong out of our division, or proves them right in it.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/clevezirm/status/966045117185429504?s=12
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I feel like I'm the only person on the planet who thinks Lamar Jackson has a chance to be a dynamic NFL quarterback.
Give him a creative offensive mind to coach him, and I think he could be very good, especially in his first season before defenses can adjust.
I'm open to the possibility.
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I think he could be very good, especially in his first season before defenses can adjust.
That's literally the worst argument I've ever heard for drafting a quarterback, and I've heard some pretty bad ones.
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I'm in a mock on another site. The only QB to go ahead of the Jets' pick (no trades allowed, assuming no FA pickups) was Mayfield to the Browns at #4. I took Darnold at #6; Rosen and Allen didn't go until 11 and 12, to Miami and Cincinnati respectively.
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I'm in a mock on another site. The only QB to go ahead of the Jets' pick (no trades allowed, assuming no FA pickups) was Mayfield to the Browns at #4. I took Darnold at #6; Rosen and Allen didn't go until 11 and 12, to Miami and Cincinnati respectively.
Stop trying to destabilize the forum
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I'm in a mock on another site. The only QB to go ahead of the Jets' pick (no trades allowed, assuming no FA pickups) was Mayfield to the Browns at #4. I took Darnold at #6; Rosen and Allen didn't go until 11 and 12, to Miami and Cincinnati respectively.
Are you in a mock draft with a bunch of stuffed animals sitting around a kiddie table?
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Are you in a mock draft with a bunch of stuffed animals sitting around a kiddie table?
LOL. I have pointed out to some of the other mockers that they are not perhaps playing by the rules; the Broncos passing up Darnold and Rosen in order to draft Nelson seems a little unlikely if they haven't already signed Cousins, which is not an assumption that we can make in this mock. Still, if Cleveland got McCarron and Denver got Cousins then this draft might not be wildly out there (lack of trades notwithstanding):
1 Cleveland Browns - Faaip - Minkah Fitzpatrick - DB - Alabama
2 New York Giants - Great White - Saquon Barkley - RB - Penn Starte
3 Indianapolis Colts - PS - Bradley Chubb - DE - NC State
4 Cleveland Browns - Faaip - Baker Mayfield - QB - Oklahoma
5 Denver Broncos - Loosehead - Quenton Nelson - OG - Notre Dame
6 New York Jets - Woan - Sam Darnold - QB - USC
7 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Dave - Tremaine Edmunds - LB - Virginia Tech
8 Chicago Bears - Rich - Roquan Smith - LB - Georgia Bulldogs
9 Oakland Raiders - Faaip - Derwin James - SS - FSU
10 San Francisco 49ers - Dactz - Courtland Sutton - WR - SMU
11 Miami Dolphins - PS - Josh Rosen - QB - UCLA
12 Cincinnati Bengals - Lampshade - Josh Allen - QB - Wyoming
13 Washington Redskins - Skip - Denzel Ward - CB - Ohio State
14 Green Bay Packers - LeeTom - Josh Jackson - CB - Iowa
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Fitzpatrick #1 overall LOL.
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I'm starting to change my opinion on Josh Rosen. If you take away the concussion thing and the alleged attitude issue, I think he's the best QB in the draft. I think the attitude thing is a bit overblown, but not invalid. I'd be fine with the Jets settling on him. He is the most accurate passer in the crop and is smart on the field. That's my 2 most important things to see in a QB. I don't care about arm strength as long as you have enough, and he does. All the QB's in first round consideration have plenty of arm to succeed in the NFL.
Tune in next week when I hate Josh Rosen again.
There's a lot to like about Josh Allen's physical skills, but when accuracy, reading the field, and decision-making are your big knocks, no thanks. Maybe that is related to the turds surrounding him in college, but I'm not willing to bank a premier pick on it.
None of these QBs are perfect.
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I'm starting to change my opinion on Josh Rosen. If you take away the concussion thing and the alleged attitude issue, I think he's the best QB in the draft. I think the attitude thing is a bit overblown, but not invalid. I'd be fine with the Jets settling on him. He is the most accurate passer in the crop and is smart on the field. That's my 2 most important things to see in a QB. I don't care about arm strength as long as you have enough, and he does. All the QB's in first round consideration have plenty of arm to succeed in the NFL.
Tune in next week when I hate Josh Rosen again.
There's a lot to like about Josh Allen's physical skills, but when accuracy, reading the field, and decision-making are your big knocks, no thanks. Maybe that is related to the turds surrounding him in college, but I'm not willing to bank a premier pick on it.
None of these QBs are perfect.
I'm formally creating the Chosen Rosen Bandwagon.
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I'm starting to change my opinion on Josh Rosen. If you take away the concussion thing and the alleged attitude issue, I think he's the best QB in the draft. I think the attitude thing is a bit overblown, but not invalid. I'd be fine with the Jets settling on him. He is the most accurate passer in the crop and is smart on the field. That's my 2 most important things to see in a QB. I don't care about arm strength as long as you have enough, and he does. All the QB's in first round consideration have plenty of arm to succeed in the NFL.
Tune in next week when I hate Josh Rosen again.
There's a lot to like about Josh Allen's physical skills, but when accuracy, reading the field, and decision-making are your big knocks, no thanks. Maybe that is related to the turds surrounding him in college, but I'm not willing to bank a premier pick on it.
None of these QBs are perfect.
The Jets wouldn’t be “settling” for Rosen, they’ll be pretty damn lucky if he even drops to 6.
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Rosen is arguably(!) the safest QB prospect in this draft.
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The Jets wouldn’t be “settling” for Rosen, they’ll be pretty damn lucky if he even drops to 6.
I agree, I was suggesting even if the Jets move up to get him. I don't think they can sit at 6 for the guy they want unless they like 3 QBs equally for some weird reason.
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Josh Rosen seems like a smug prick, but he can really play. We'd be lucky if he was there at 6.
We'd be settling with the pick at six if we took Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield. There will be better prospects available if Darnold and Rosen are off the board in the top five.
I hope Lamar Jackson throws well and runs in the 4.3s. He needs to get himself into this conversation.
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This one's for you SFD:
https://mobile.twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/966797063420858368
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Kyle Boller 2.0
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This one's for you SFD:
https://mobile.twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/966797063420858368
Hahaha reminiscent of Jamarcus Russell
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I hope Lamar Jackson throws well and runs in the 4.3s. He needs to get himself into this conversation.
For us, or for someone above us to take and leave someone else for us?
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For us, or for someone above us to take and leave someone else for us?
Either. I’d be excited if we drafted him.
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Either. I’d be excited if we drafted him.
Excited to hear idiots compare him to Smunt?
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Josh Rosen seems like a smug prick, but he can really play. We'd be lucky if he was there at 6.
We'd be settling with the pick at six if we took Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield. There will be better prospects available if Darnold and Rosen are off the board in the top five.
I hope Lamar Jackson throws well and runs in the 4.3s. He needs to get himself into this conversation.
QFT
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This CBS nfl draft sportswriter @ChrisTrapasso has Mason Rudolph as his QB1:
Least amount of development needed at the NFL level. Good pocket movement. Great deep ball accuracy. Full field reads. Accurate. Very experienced.
So I asked him about concerns adapting to a pro-style offense. His response:
Re: Rudolph - The NFL is about 70% shotgun now and trending toward the spread & RPO which he’s very familiar with. And he operated a variety of play-action / bootlegs from the shotgun.
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This CBS nfl draft sportswriter @ChrisTrapasso has Mason Rudolph as his QB1:
So I asked him about concerns adapting to a pro-style offense. His response:
Lol. This is why CBS' draft content got banned from reddit.
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Like two teams used the Run-Pass Option in their scheme.
And full field reads my derriere. OK State runs an Air Raid offense similar to the same one that Geno Smith came out of at WVU. The field is cut in half and most of his reads are pre-determined.
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A scout with a team that won’t be in the market for a first-round quarterback tells PFT that Rosen is the best overall throwing prospect in the upcoming draft. (Rosen will be showing of his throwing skills on Saturday during the Scouting Combine.)
The questions arise regarding Rosen’s non-football traits. Some regard him as arrogant and narcissistic, with a combination of intelligence, confidence, and individualized ambition that could strain relationships in a locker room.
Those opinions may vary from team to team, and talent typically wins out in the end. Plenty of quarterbacks have excessively high opinions of themselves, and many of those high opinions are deserved. Regardless, Rosen will be one of the top quarterbacks drafted — and he could end up being the best of them all, especially with the benefit of maturity and growth.
Hopefully he slips to us. This isn’t a huge concern to me.
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"I think I make very quick decisions," Rosen said. "I’m very quick and decisive. I always say that I think if you can [get] three or four reads into your progression, you give yourself more opportunities to get the ball down the field. If you’re a 1-2 and run guy, and you, say, throw the ball 40 times a game — NFL, 30 times a game — you’re giving yourself 70-80 opportunities to get the ball down the field.
"If you can get into 1-2-3 and 4, then you’re giving yourself 150-160 — twice as many opportunities — to actually push the ball down the field. So that’s where I think my best attribute is — I can sit in the pocket and really pick defenses apart."
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Hopefully he slips to us. This isn’t a huge concern to me.
He's intelligent, accurate and can make reads. Check, check, check.
Or as Hobbes would say, "bozey bozey deebop slamma jamma hibbity hibbity dippty Doo! I'll take two!!!"
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"I haven't seen any of 'em play, but JOSH ALLEN is the easiest to spell!"
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my wish list is either cousins or rosen
if barkley goes 2 and rosen falls to 3/past 3, i hope we make a trade up for him
would we be able to keep one of our 2nd rounders in a tradeup from 3-5?
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would we be able to keep one of our 2nd rounders in a tradeup from 3-5?
If there's a bidding war, and i expect there will be, we'll probably lose both 2nd rounders and possibly a pick in 2019
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my wish list is either cousins or rosen
if barkley goes 2 and rosen falls to 3/past 3, i hope we make a trade up for him
would we be able to keep one of our 2nd rounders in a tradeup from 3-5?
I assume you meant a trade up from 6 to 3 and the answer is it depends. It depends on whether we have to bid for that pick against another team(s) (most likely the Broncos). According to the trade value chart, we'd have to make up 600 points in pick value in order to trade up from 6 to 3, which would be roughly equivalent to the earlier of our 2nd round picks and our 4th or the latter of our 2nds and our 3rd. My estimation is that that would be the floor if Rosen is still there at 3. You know the Colts are going to squeeze that pick for all it's worth.
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I assume you mean a trade up from 6 to 3 and the answer is it depends. It depends on whether we have to bid for that pick against (most likely) the Broncos. According to the trade value chart, we'd have to make up 600 points in pick value in order to trade up from 6 to 3, which would be roughly equivalent to the earlier of our 2nd round picks and our 4th or our later 2nd and our 3rd. My estimation is that that would be the floor if Rosen is there at 3. You know the Colts are going to squeeze that pick for all it's worth.
The Bills could jump in and offer their 2 first rounders.
They scare me the most if a bidding war breaks out.
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The Bills could jump in and offer their 2 first rounders.
They scare me the most if a bidding war breaks out.
There's always that possibility. If a team like the Dolphins, Bills, or Cardinals are desperate enough, they could sell the farm in order to move up for a quarterback. We have to hope that the Colts value one of the top prospects enough to not be willing to move that far back.
The Bills' two 1sts combined are still worth less than our 1st. They'd likely have to offer both of their 1sts and both of their 2nds to entice the Colts to move back.
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I assume you meant a trade up from 6 to 3 and the answer is it depends. It depends on whether we have to bid for that pick against another team(s) (most likely the Broncos). According to the trade value chart, we'd have to make up 600 points in pick value in order to trade up from 6 to 3, which would be roughly equivalent to the earlier of our 2nd round picks and our 4th or the latter of our 2nds and our 3rd. My estimation is that that would be the floor if Rosen is still there at 3. You know the Colts are going to squeeze that pick for all it's worth.
i meant trading up from 6 to any of the 3-5 spots if rosen fell. looks like there is a possibility it would require us to surrender the 2 2nd's if there is a bidding war
to be honest the only realistic trade up spots are at the 3-4 spot. if rosen lasted to 5 and the broncos feel he is their guy, the only way they let him go to the team picking behind them is if we give them the world. trading into the 5 spot would probably be more expensive than trading up to 3-4.
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The real wildcard in the top of the draft is Josh Allen. Where he's picked will determine how far Mayfield and Rosen fall.
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The real wildcard in the top of the draft is Josh Allen. Where he's picked will determine how far Mayfield and Rosen fall.
Supposedly Rosen and Mayfield interviewed extremely well. Those were the two with the most controversy surrounding their personalities.
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Supposedly Rosen and Mayfield interviewed extremely well. Those were the two with the most controversy surrounding their personalities.
Hopefully, some team in the top 5 gets a boner for Allen's potential. That being said, if the Jets end up taking Josh Allen, I'll begrudgingly start sifting through YouTube highlights with Hobbes convincing myself he'll be good.
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i meant trading up from 6 to any of the 3-5 spots if rosen fell. looks like there is a possibility it would require us to surrender the 2 2nd's if there is a bidding war
to be honest the only realistic trade up spots are at the 3-4 spot. if rosen lasted to 5 and the broncos feel he is their guy, the only way they let him go to the team picking behind them is if we give them the world. trading into the 5 spot would probably be more expensive than trading up to 3-4.
Oh, okay. Trading into the 5th spot doesn't really make sense if the Broncos are still sitting there needing a quarterback. Perhaps it could happen if the Broncos have traded up for a quarterback and we want to ensure that another team can't jump in front of us.
If the Giants eschew taking a QB at 2 and instead take Barkley, my guess is that we're going to bid against the Broncos for that 3rd pick. It will be interesting to see who's willing to give up more. Convenientional wisdom suggests that the Broncos are willing to sacrifice more since they have a roster built to compete now while we're likely still a couple years away and, therefore, need the draft capital more than they do.
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There's talk that the Broncos and Browns are close to deal for the #1 if they don't get Cousins.
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There's talk that the Broncos and Browns are close to deal for the #1 if they don't get Cousins.
please trade up for Josh Allen
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There's talk that the Broncos and Browns are close to deal for the #1 if they don't get Cousins.
I haven't seen anything that suggests that they're close to a deal. Where have you seen that?
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The Bills could jump in and offer their 2 first rounders.
They scare me the most if a bidding war breaks out.
I think our 6th pick is more valuable than their two firsts. A team like the Colts could trade with us, pick up our 6th pick, a 2nd, and next years first to move down 3 spots... and then potentially even trade with a team like the Bills or Cardinals again (if they want). Dropping down 18 spots is pretty substantial for a team like the Giants, Colts or Browns. Hypothetically ifany of those teams were to trade down with the Jets, they could still draft the 2nd or 3rd best player in the draft. Minkah, Nelson or Chubb should be available at 6.
I think we have enough ammo as anyone in the draft (besides Cleveland) to move up, it all just depends on how aggressive Duff can be or wants to be.
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If the Browns are serious about trading out of the top spot, Mac needs to get on the phone with Dorsey.
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If the Browns are serious about trading out of the top spot, Mac needs to get on the phone with Dorsey.
If the Jets have decided not to take a run at Cousins, i would agree with you.
EDIT: I also wouldn't mind viewing the source of this rumor.
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If the Jets have decided not to take a run at Cousins, i would agree with you.
EDIT: I also wouldn't mind seeing the source of this rumor.
I believe the source is Chad Forbes.
And my post assumed that we're not signing Cousins.
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If the Browns are serious about trading out of the top spot, Mac needs to get on the phone with Dorsey.
Would would you guys be willing to trade for the first overall pick?
2018 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 2019 1st? Is that even enough?
In 2016, the Rams traded up from 15 to #1 overall with two 2nds, 3rd and 2017 1st and 3rd.
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I believe the source is Chad Forbes.
And my post assumed that we're not signing Cousins.
Moving up to 1 will cost a fortune....and the schadenfreude it would cause if it was for Allen, would be off the charts.
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Would would you guys be willing to trade for the first overall pick?
2018 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 2019 1st? Is that even enough?
In 2016, the Rams traded up from 15 to #1 overall with two 2nds, 3rd and 2017 1st and 3rd.
tough to gauge, especially if there's a bidding war.
I'll assume that 2 firsts and 2 seconds might be a starting point.
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Moving up to 1 will cost a fortune....and the schadenfreude it would cause if it was for Allen, would be off the charts.
We're probably talking about our 1st, both our 2nds, and our 1st next year... at a minimum. I could see the Broncos offering whatever it takes.
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We're probably talking about our 1st, both our 2nds, and our 1st next year... at a minimum. I could see the Broncos offering whatever it takes.
I can't see Duff doing it. Man, that's expensive.
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If the Broncos do end up trading for the first pick, we're probably better off trading up to 3, but then we may be bidding against the Browns and their endless stockpile of picks...
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We're probably talking about our 1st, both our 2nds, and our 1st next year... at a minimum. I could see the Broncos offering whatever it takes.
The Broncos must really be in love with someone. They haven't seen Darnold yet (all they have is tape on him) so it can't be him, and they had a birds' eye view of Allen/Mayfield because they coached them at the Senior Bowl.
If we're lucky, the Giants will take Barkley or Nelson. freak, i would throw the kitchen sink at the Colts to move up for Darnold.
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I can't see Duff doing it. Man, that's expensive.
We'd be crippling our ability to build around that quarterback.
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We'd be crippling our ability to build around that quarterback.
Perhaps...we still have a boatload of cap space. We could build around him with FA signings and trades.
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If we're lucky, the Giants will take Barkley or Nelson. freak, i would throw the kitchen sink at the Colts to move up for Darnold.
I'm with you. If the Broncos want to sell the farm for the first pick, let them. We're better off focusing on the third pick.
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I'm with you. If the Broncos want to sell the farm for the first pick, let them. We're better off focusing on the third pick.
Agreed. Hopefully it won't cost too much in draft currency to move to 3.
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Tom Pelissero
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Asked a bunch of NFL scouts and coaches for the most impressive QB in today’s throwing drills at the combine. Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield and Wyoming’s Josh Allen got most of the votes. A down-the-line guy who seems to have helped himself: Virginia’s Kurt Benkert.
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I just don't see a QB that is head and shoulders the #1 pick over the others. I could convince myself to take Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield in the top 6. Is there really one of them worth going to #1 for? I could see going to #3 or 4.
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Best case scenario for us is that Allen goes #1 to either the Browns or the Broncos, the Giants take Barkley, and we trade up to 3 to take whomever we prefer between Rosen/Darnold.
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If we don't sign Cousins, I think the majority of us would be happy coming out of the draft with Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield.
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If we don't sign Cousins, I think the majority of us would be happy coming out of the draft with Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield.
Especially at 6.
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I just don't see a QB that is head and shoulders the #1 pick over the others. I could convince myself to take Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield in the top 6. Is there really one of them worth going to #1 for? I could see going to #3 or 4.
we need Barkley or Nelson to go #2. Then we trade up to 3 and get our QB. I think that's our more realistic scenario if we're targeting a QB.
Our best case scenario is if our QB falls into our laps at 6. But i doubt this happens to us 2 years in a row where we stay patient and hit paydirt(still can't believe Jamal Adams fell to us). We're not that lucky.
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Giants doing one of these 3 things at 2:
Trade back
Barkley
QB
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Giants doing one of these 3 things at 2:
Trade back
Barkley
QB
you don't think Gettleman will get a hard-on for Nelson? He has a history of putting his oline at the top of his priority list.
He could go Nelson at 2, and then try for Lamar Jackson at the top of the 2nd round.
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we need Barkley or Nelson to go #2. Then we trade up to 3 and get our QB. I think that's our more realistic scenario if we're targeting a QB.
Our best case scenario is if our QB falls into our laps at 6. But i doubt this happens to us 2 years in a row where we stay patient and hit paydirt(still can't believe Jamal Adams fell to us). We're not that lucky.
1. Josh Allen
2. Barkley
3. Chubb
4. Minkah
5. Mayfield
6. Erection
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1. Josh Allen
2. Barkley
3. Chubb
4. Minkah
5. Mayfield
6. Erection
haha
i keep forgetting about Chubb.
I'd be very surprised if Minkah goes in the top 5.
Having said that....i would sport the same erection if that's the way the board fell. There's no way Mayfield gets picked before Rosen/Darnold
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haha
i keep forgetting about Chubb.
I'd be very surprised if Minkah goes in the top 5.
Having said that....i would sport the same erection if that's the way the board fell. There's no way Mayfield gets picked before Rosen/Darnold
Mayfield's cockiness could be a turn on for Elway and his dentures.
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Mayfield's cockiness could be a turn on for Elway and his dentures.
Elway's front teeth are taller than Mayfield.
#Published
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Elway's front teeth are taller than Mayfield.
#Published
Haha
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1. Josh Allen
2. Barkley
3. Chubb
4. Minkah
5. Mayfield
6. Erection
There's definitely going to be a trade up if this happens
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There's definitely going to be a trade up if this happens
Tom Brady will lobby for a trade-up for the erection.
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you don't think Gettleman will get a hard-on for Nelson? He has a history of putting his oline at the top of his priority list.
He could go Nelson at 2, and then try for Lamar Jackson at the top of the 2nd round.
No, I really don’t think so. Nelson wouldn’t be able to fix their whole oline, and they need to either make a pick that gives them a chance with Eli, or sets them up with a franchise QB or boatload of picks down the road.
After hearing everything this week, it almost seems like Barkley is a lock to go there now. Of course if he gets a sweet trade down offer he probably wouldn’t turn that down. I still think they should take a QB because they don’t pick this high that often and they’ll have their pick of a few different guys.
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I haven't seen anything that suggests that they're close to a deal. Where have you seen that?
Some post on Reddit, I'm probably paraphrasing but I wasn't really paying attention because it's freaking March and I don't much care about football right now.
Don't @ me
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If we don't sign Cousins, I think the majority of us would be happy coming out of the draft with Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield.
Especially at 6.
Thirded.
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I really think Mason Rudolph is going to be a mid to late first rounder. Do I think he would be deserving of that pick? Idk. I do like a few things about him and there’s certainly been worse QBs picked in the first.
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I really think Mason Rudolph is going to be a mid to late first rounder. Do I think he would be deserving of that pick? Idk. I do like a few things about him and there’s certainly been worse QBs packed in the first.
Loads of internet draft sites have had him ranked as their number one QB for a while. I've watched a reasonable amount of all the top QB prospects' highlights for obvious reasons, and I can't understand why they're quite so high on him.
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is there any truth behind all of these mocks stating that denver/elway is in love with josh allen because of his physical tools and would pick him over others, or is it just lazy journalism simply because elway also happened to be a big-armed qb?
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is there any truth behind all of these mocks stating that denver/elway is in love with josh allen because of his physical tools and would pick him over others, or is it just lazy journalism simply because elway also happened to be a big-armed qb?
Elway, Maccagnan and Dorsey have all at some point been proclaimed by the media as being in love with Allen. I suspect he's the guy that they're all using to try and deflect from who they really want.
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Elway, Maccagnan and Dorsey have all at some point been proclaimed by the media as being in love with Allen. I suspect he's the guy that they're all using to try and deflect from who they really want.
We all know somebody is going to fall in love with his physical ability. Which is why all the rumors are 100% believable. We are all just hoping and praying that at least duff is bluffing. We don't think we can handle another, but more highly drafted hackenberg situation.
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As much of a fan of Mayfield as I am, I've become more and more enthused with the idea of drafting Rosen. He has the most "pro-ready" skillset of all of this year's quarterbacks and he should be an excellent fit both in Bates' offense and the city of New York.
The biggest concern I have with him is his injury history. I have no concerns about his personality or his passion for the game.
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As much of a fan of Mayfield as I am, I've become more and more enthused with the idea of drafting Rosen. He has the most "pro-ready" skillset of all of this year's quarterbacks and he should be an excellent fit both in Bates' offense and the city of New York.
The biggest concern I have with him is his injury history. I have no concerns about his personality or his passion for the game.
if we don't get cousins, rosen is the guy i want more than anybody for us at qb. a legit qb prospect and i think his attitude/confidence will do well in NY.
i'd be really wary of drafting mayfield. i know he's been getting comp'd to drew brees. everything would have to go absolutely right in his career for him to turn into drew brees, and even then the real drew brees was a 2nd round pick. i just think that's too much of a risk to use the 6th pick for
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if we don't get cousins, rosen is the guy i want more than anybody for us at qb. a legit qb prospect and i think his attitude/confidence will do well in NY.
i'd be really wary of drafting mayfield. i know he's been getting comp'd to drew brees. everything would have to go absolutely right in his career for him to turn into drew brees, and even then the real drew brees was a 2nd round pick. i just think that's too much of a risk to use the 6th pick for
I can’t wait for cousins to sign somewhere. Once he inks a deal (either here or more likely elsewhere) then we can start to see what our future holds in the draft. If we sign Cousins you can pencil us in for a top OL or Pass Rusher. If we don’t and say Cousins goes to Denver, our chances for a top 3 QB improve tremendously. If he goes to Minny, we almost certainly need to trade up to get a guy we want.
I have a man-crush on Darnold, but Rosen just feels like a perfect fit for NY. If cousins ends up in Minny as I expect, then we need to find out what it would take to get to 2,3 and 4. And figure it out from there. I suspect the key to the QBs is the colts pick at #3. The more time goes forward it seems the Browns will take Barkley (I pray for him to be awesome for the Browns, they deserve something exciting to watch) and we hope the giants decide to make a run with Eli and take Nelson, allowing us to big on the Colts pick at #3.
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I can’t wait for cousins to sign somewhere. Once he inks a deal (either here or more likely elsewhere) then we can start to see what our future holds in the draft. If we sign Cousins you can pencil us in for a top OL or Pass Rusher. If we don’t and say Cousins goes to Denver, our chances for a top 3 QB improve tremendously. If he goes to Minny, we almost certainly need to trade up to get a guy we want.
I have a man-crush on Darnold, but Rosen just feels like a perfect fit for NY. If cousins ends up in Minny as I expect, then we need to find out what it would take to get to 2,3 and 4. And figure it out from there. I suspect the key to the QBs is the colts pick at #3. The more time goes forward it seems the Browns will take Barkley (I pray for him to be awesome for the Browns, they deserve something exciting to watch) and we hope the giants decide to make a run with Eli and take Nelson, allowing us to big on the Colts pick at #3.
i think the key is josh allen, and the broncos. barring any crazy tradeups, if josh allen somehow ends up going in the top 5, and if the broncos end up signing their guy at QB like a cousins or keenum and draft a position other than qb, then i think we have a real shot at rosen even if we stay at 6. this was why i wanted to tank last year in the first place, which we didn't really do, but being able to get your guy at qb without having to sacrifice massive amounts to move up will be huge thing moving forward for the franchise in the future.
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I think we are going to have to move up no matter what if we want a QB... As great as it sounds to be able to sit back at 6 and grab the QB that falls, I honestly don't think we'll be afforded that luck. Even if the Giants don't draft a QB, its still very possible Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen are all gone by 6 when considering teams wanting to trade up like the Bills, Cards and maybe even the Dolphins.
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I think we are going to have to move up no matter what if we want a QB... As great as it sounds to be able to sit back at 6 and grab the QB that falls, I honestly don't think we'll be afforded that luck. Even if the Giants don't draft a QB, its still very possible Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen are all gone by 6 when considering teams wanting to trade up like the Bills, Cards and maybe even the Dolphins.
You can be certain that if we have all the QBs rated equally (or damn close), we will hold at 6. Because mortgaging everything to get a kid when we don't think he's separated from the pack is insane. But I would be floored if the Jets (or any team for that matter) feel that all of the top 5 QBs are basically equal (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Jackson and Allen). So if we assume that we have a preference for a guy (or two) then we would need to trade up once one goes because no one wants us to walk away without a guy on night one of the draft.
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You can be certain that if we have all the QBs rated equally (or damn close), we will hold at 6. Because mortgaging everything to get a kid when we don't think he's separated from the pack is insane. But I would be floored if the Jets (or any team for that matter) feel that all of the top 5 QBs are basically equal (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Jackson and Allen). So if we assume that we have a preference for a guy (or two) then we would need to trade up once one goes because no one wants us to walk away without a guy on night one of the draft.
I've posted this before, but if we ditka'd everyone of our past drafts for whichever top QB was in the draft, we would have been very happy. Trading picks to move up and secure your guy doesn't necessarily mean mortgaging the future. We all love the draft and the process surrounding it, so we of course like to think of it more than a crap shoot, but many times it is.
Like you've said, I highly doubt they value all the QBs equally... and because of that, I think they should get their guy. Duff only has one more chance to get the QB position right. In his best interest and longevity (and honestly the entire organizations), he has to get the guy he believes in. Signs point to Mayfield or Darnold as of now.
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I've posted this before, but if we ditka'd everyone of our past drafts for whichever top QB was in the draft, we would have been very happy. Trading picks to move up and secure your guy doesn't necessarily mean mortgaging the future. We all love the draft and the process surrounding it, so we of course like to think of it more than a crap shoot, but many times it is.
Like you've said, I highly doubt they value all the QBs equally... and because of that, I think they should get their guy. Duff only has one more chance to get the QB position right. In his best interest and longevity (and honestly the entire organizations), he has to get the guy he believes in. Signs point to Mayfield or Darnold as of now.
Because of that, I don't mind going full ditka for our guy. But we would all obviously rather not. I would love Darnold and Rosen to a lesser extent. But you are right about Duff, he only has one more chance, and he has to get this right or else he's likely to be out in 18 months.
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I think we are going to have to move up no matter what if we want a QB... As great as it sounds to be able to sit back at 6 and grab the QB that falls, I honestly don't think we'll be afforded that luck. Even if the Giants don't draft a QB, its still very possible Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen are all gone by 6 when considering teams wanting to trade up like the Bills, Cards and maybe even the Dolphins.
this is essentially our Nightmare Scenario.
I've been saying for weeks that there are too many teams behind us that want to move up in the draft....Duff better be prepared to enter a bidding war.
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this is essentially our Nightmare Scenario.
I've been saying for weeks that there are too many teams behind us that want to move up in the draft....Duff better be prepared to enter a bidding war.
I think there's still a good shot the Broncos get Cousins. That would take away one team ahead of us on the draft front.
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I think there's still a good shot the Broncos get Cousins. That would take away one team ahead of us on the draft front.
True...but that also allows the Broncos to auction the #5 pick to the highest bidder if they want to.
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True...but that also allows the Broncos to auction the #5 pick to the highest bidder if they want to.
One more shot for us to move up too. That's a pretty easy choice for the Broncos. If they have Cousins, they could move back one spot with us, knowing we are taking a QB. They could get the same player they were going to take anyway and get a free pick from us essentially.
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If the Jets don't get Cousins, my plan B is still AJ McCarron. Then re-sign McCown, and plan to bring back Hackenberg as the clipboard holder. Then hold pat at 6, and if by some miracle Darnold or Rosen falls to them, feel free to take him, otherwise, fill other holes and take the risk that McCarron can be your franchise guy.
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One more shot for us to move up too. That's a pretty easy choice for the Broncos. If they have Cousins, they could move back one spot with us, knowing we are taking a QB. They could get the same player they were going to take anyway and get a free pick from us essentially.
Unless they don't like the value of the available players at 6 and another team is offering a better return to move down further.
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@DarrylSlater:Source confirms Baker Mayfield's private workout with #Jets will happen Saturday in Oklahoma. Mayfield's pre-draft visit to Florham Park will be in April.
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https://instagram.com/p/BgkOJ1ljIBm/
Drip
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https://instagram.com/p/BgkOJ1ljIBm/
Drip
Hahaha, that was awesome. Derwin is the man.
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Why is Josh Rosen the only QB getting flagged for injury concerns?
Baker Mayfield - 2 concussions - 2015
NORMAN — Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield doesn’t plan on changing anything about the way he plays.
Not even after he suffered two concussions in the Sooners’ final three games last season.
“I’m not gonna try and change my game at all,” Mayfield said. “Obviously I’ll try to slide or get out of bounds when I don’t need to take a hit.”
Mayfield raised good points when mentioning that his two concussions were probably avoidable under most circumstances.
The first, suffered in the second quarter of OU’s Nov. 21 win over TCU, came when Horned Frogs linebacker Ty Summers collided helmet-to-helmet with Mayfield while the Sooner quarterback was already falling to the ground. Summers was called for targeting and ejected because of that hit.
The second came late in OU’s Orange Bowl loss to Clemson, after Mayfield threw an interception and was concussed while tackling Tigers linebacker Ben Boulware.
Josh Allen - broken clavicle - 2015
“We initially thought it was (broken in) two or three places,” Allen said. “When I went in for surgery, the doctor said I broke it in seven places. So I’ve got eight screws and a plate in there now. It doesn’t bother me at all to throw. It’s definitely back to 100 percent health.
Throwing shoulder - 2017 - missed final 2 games of season
LARAMIE, Wyo. (AP) — Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen, who has been viewed as a possible high NFL draft pick next year, injured his right shoulder during the Cowboys' win over Air Force.
Coach Craig Bohl said Monday it's too early to say whether Allen will miss this weekend's game against Fresno State.
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Why is Josh Rosen the only QB getting flagged for injury concerns?
Because he's rich and some are apparently scared that he'll retire the moment he starts taking hits in the NFL.
Nevermind that every NFL quarterback is rich and plenty have come from wealth and managed to be successful at the pro level.
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The ESPN draft segment on Baker-Mayfield was freaking heartbreaking.
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The ESPN draft segment on Baker-Mayfield was freaking heartbreaking.
what was it about?
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what was it about?
How he bonded with a girl who had AML and subsequently spoke at her funeral.
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Manish Mehta
Verified account @MMehtaNYDN
8m8 minutes ago
Manish Mehta Retweeted Rich Eisen Show
.@NYJets fans are gonna LOVE @Josh3Rosen if he is drafted by Gang Green. Rosen tells @richeisen: "I just wasn't a Patriots guy" growing up.
trade all the picks and move up for Rosen.
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I love everything about that interview.
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Watched some of Rosen this morning, and honestly he is as surefire of a prospect to become an above average QB as any in recent years imo. I don't think he has quite the upside as Darnold, but I really don't see how he isn't a top 15-12 QB (at a minimum) in 2 years.
His footwork is fantastic, very good movement in the pocket and his ball placement is typically spot on. Everything aside from elite arm strength and frame is there. At times he can look like Peyton Manning with his mechanics, footwork and subtle movements in the pocket to avoid the rush.
I'm 100% on board with him at 3 if he makes it. I also think he's fully capable of starting year 1, and if he lands on the Jets, Teddy very well might not make it to the regular season.
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Watched some of Rosen this morning, and honestly he is as surefire of a prospect to become an above average QB as any in recent years imo. I don't think he has quite the upside as Darnold, but I really don't see how he isn't a top 15-12 QB (at a minimum) in 2 years.
His footwork is fantastic, very good movement in the pocket and his ball placement is typically spot on. Everything aside from elite arm strength and frame is there. At times he can look like Peyton Manning with his mechanics, footwork and subtle movements in the pocket to avoid the rush.
I'm 100% on board with him at 3 if he makes it. I also think he's fully capable of starting year 1, and if he lands on the Jets, Teddy very well might not make it to the regular season.
Promise me one thing....dont cut your wrists when Darnold and Rosen go 1 and 2.
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His footwork is fantastic, very good movement in the pocket and his ball placement is typically spot on. Everything aside from elite arm strength and frame is there. At times he can look like Peyton Manning with his mechanics, footwork and subtle movements in the pocket to avoid the rush.
Honestly the Peyton comp popped into my head at one point but I hadn't dared to say it out loud.
Just purely in terms in pure passing skill and relative lack of mobility really. I don't have any concern about his frame. 6'4" is plenty tall and he'll put on more mass as a pro.
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He's 6'4" 226. That's pretty prototypical for an NFL quarterback.
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When I mentioned frame, I just meant that he's not built like Carson Wentz or Big Ben. He doesn't have very broad shoulders so he looks skinnier and lighter than he is. It's not a huge negative, but he just doesn't tick off that elite size/frame like Josh Allen does, that's all. It really is nitpicking, which just goes to show how good of a prospect he is.
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Watched some of Rosen this morning, and honestly he is as surefire of a prospect to become an above average QB as any in recent years imo. I don't think he has quite the upside as Darnold, but I really don't see how he isn't a top 15-12 QB (at a minimum) in 2 years.
His footwork is fantastic, very good movement in the pocket and his ball placement is typically spot on. Everything aside from elite arm strength and frame is there. At times he can look like Peyton Manning with his mechanics, footwork and subtle movements in the pocket to avoid the rush.
I'm 100% on board with him at 3 if he makes it. I also think he's fully capable of starting year 1, and if he lands on the Jets, Teddy very well might not make it to the regular season.
i wouldn't get too caught up over whether josh rosen would be considered to have 'elite arm strength' or not. rosen's arm strength is a plus
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i wouldn't get too caught up over whether josh rosen would be considered to have 'elite arm strength' or not. rosen's arm strength is a plus
His arm is certainly very good. He can throw accurately 55-60 yards. Probably a stronger arm than someone like Matt Ryan that he gets compared to sometimes. Like I said with the frame comment... these are just small things that I'm nitpicking. And I only nitpick because there's not much you don't like about him as a prospect. He has a very good arm, just not Matt Stafford or Aaron Roadgers level. Certainly good enough to be a top QB in the league though
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His arm is certainly very good. He can throw accurately 55-60 yards. Probably a stronger arm than someone like Matt Ryan that he gets compared to sometimes. Like I said with the frame comment... these are just small things that I'm nitpicking. And I only nitpick because there's not much you don't like about him as a prospect. He has a very good arm, just not Matt Stafford or Aaron Roadgers level. Certainly good enough to be a top QB in the league though
Stop nitpicking.
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Stop nitpicking.
He's the best QB prospect I've ever seen.
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He's the best QB prospect I've ever seen.
Stop being unreasonable.
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I don't think this has been posted here yet. It's the elite 11 camp from 2014 with Josh Rosen, darnold and a couple of other kids. The way they talk about Rosen 's intelligence at 18 reminds me of tom and peyton.
https://youtu.be/FXtMjcAUAYE
It's really long, but I just skipped around.
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I want Rosen so bad
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I want Rosen so bad
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I saw Josh Allen at a grocery store in Laramie yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
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Milky Ways? Pffft. Bust.
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Huh?
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Daniel Jeremiah said on NFLN that the only team you don't hear Allen associated with is the Jets. Said with Jets you hear Rosen & Mayfield.
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Daniel Jeremiah said on NFLN that the only team you don't hear Allen associated with is the Jets. Said with Jets you hear Rosen & Mayfield.
Which of course is the most terrifying aspect of all of this.
Nobody knows anything and thats the only fact we have.
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I saw Josh Allen at a grocery store in Laramie yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Undraftable
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I saw Josh Allen at a grocery store in Laramie yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
wait lololol, is this true?
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wait lololol, is this true?
No, it's a shitty copypasta that Reddit ling simce beat to death.
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ling simce
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No, it's a shitty copypasta that Reddit ling simce beat to death.
haha thats what i said to dan
i asked him wait ? this looks like some reddit shitpost
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https://www.si.com/nfl/video/2018/03/26/nfl-draft-josh-rosen-early-impact-george-whitfield
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/87hr26/oc_why_73_ypa_is_the_magic_number_for_qbs_in_the
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/87hr26/oc_why_73_ypa_is_the_magic_number_for_qbs_in_the
If you are in the anti-Josh Allen camp (just like I am, for a whole bunch of reasons, from his 56.2% completion percentage falling way below that 58.5% magic number, his 31.03 passer rating with 1 touchdown and 8 interceptions against Power-5 schools, and his 16-game average last season coming nowhere close to 3,000 yards), then this adds some more fuel to that fire. He finished last season with 6.7 yards per attempt. Here’s a list of all quarterbacks since 2009 to average 6.7 yards per attempt or worse in their final season of college and get drafted: Jacoby Brissett, Trevor Siemian, Blaine Gabbert, and Curtis Painter. If you want to draft a QB who’s going to fall into that company, then be my guest.
Gross
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Josh Allen doesn't go hee hee.
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Gross
Devil's advocate. If he he's on a shitty team, wouldn't you expect him to be statistically worse against better schools in part because the rest of the team will suck worse against better teams also? It's not like the rest of the team plays exactly the same against all teams and Josh Allen is the only one who sucks when they play good teams.
Don't get me wrong, I think there's an issue there.
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Devil's advocate. If he he's on a shitty team, wouldn't you expect him to be statistically worse against better schools in part because the rest of the team will suck worse against better teams also? It's not like the rest of the team plays exactly the same against all teams and Josh Allen is the only one who sucks when they play good teams.
Don't get me wrong, I think there's an issue there.
The point is history is not on Josh Allen's side. statistically speaking, nobody has a below 58.5% completion percentage and below a 7.3 ypa average in their final college season (modern college football) and manages to be successful in the pros.
This just goes to continue proving the point Allen is insanely polarizing because his talent is unteachable and absolutely enticing, but his production is lackluster. He has the tools to buck all the statistical trends, but history suggests its insanely unlikely he will be able to do so.
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The point is history is not on Josh Allen's side. statistically speaking, nobody has a below 58.5% completion percentage and below a 7.3 ypa average in their final college season (modern college football) and manages to be successful in the pros.
I really hate statistical analysis like this, especially in the transition between college football and the NFL.
Statistical extrapolation is extremely difficult to do in sports - baseball, easily the most statistically predictable major sport has extreme variance from AAA to the majors, for an incredible amount of reasons. With the absurdly minuscule sample size for college football, combined with the age/lack of development of the players involved, attributing any individual significance to these types of numbers is meaningless.
According to that very same reddit post, if Josh Allen had declared last year, like he was thinking of (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000816173/article/wyoming-qb-josh-allen-nearly-declared-for-2017-nfl-draft), he would pass the 7.3 test with flying colors, averaging 8.6 yards per attempt, well above quarterbacks like Carson Wentz (7.9), Deshaun Watson (8.0), and Dak Prescott (8.0) did in their relatively recent final college seasons.
It's statistical cherry-picking from small sample sizes with massive variables attempting to predict something (elite NFL quarterback play) that is incredibly rare and difficult to identify.
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Excellent post
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I really hate statistical analysis like this, especially in the transition between college football and the NFL.
Statistical extrapolation is extremely difficult to do in sports - baseball, easily the most statistically predictable major sport has extreme variance from AAA to the majors, for an incredible amount of reasons. With the absurdly minuscule sample size for college football, combined with the age/lack of development of the players involved, attributing any individual significance to these types of numbers is meaningless.
According to that very same reddit post, if Josh Allen had declared last year, like he was thinking of (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000816173/article/wyoming-qb-josh-allen-nearly-declared-for-2017-nfl-draft), he would pass the 7.3 test with flying colors, averaging 8.6 yards per attempt, well above quarterbacks like Carson Wentz (7.9), Deshaun Watson (8.0), and Dak Prescott (8.0) did in their relatively recent final college seasons.
It's statistical cherry-picking from small sample sizes with massive variables attempting to predict something (elite NFL quarterback play) that is incredibly rare and difficult to identify.
I'm framing this.
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I really hate statistical analysis like this, especially in the transition between college football and the NFL.
Statistical extrapolation is extremely difficult to do in sports - baseball, easily the most statistically predictable major sport has extreme variance from AAA to the majors, for an incredible amount of reasons. With the absurdly minuscule sample size for college football, combined with the age/lack of development of the players involved, attributing any individual significance to these types of numbers is meaningless.
According to that very same reddit post, if Josh Allen had declared last year, like he was thinking of (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000816173/article/wyoming-qb-josh-allen-nearly-declared-for-2017-nfl-draft), he would pass the 7.3 test with flying colors, averaging 8.6 yards per attempt, well above quarterbacks like Carson Wentz (7.9), Deshaun Watson (8.0), and Dak Prescott (8.0) did in their relatively recent final college seasons.
It's statistical cherry-picking from small sample sizes with massive variables attempting to predict something (elite NFL quarterback play) that is incredibly rare and difficult to identify.
+1. It's complete garbage intro to stats level analysis, and omitting everything except one season is really godawful reasoning
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I really hate statistical analysis like this, especially in the transition between college football and the NFL.
Statistical extrapolation is extremely difficult to do in sports - baseball, easily the most statistically predictable major sport has extreme variance from AAA to the majors, for an incredible amount of reasons. With the absurdly minuscule sample size for college football, combined with the age/lack of development of the players involved, attributing any individual significance to these types of numbers is meaningless.
According to that very same reddit post, if Josh Allen had declared last year, like he was thinking of (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000816173/article/wyoming-qb-josh-allen-nearly-declared-for-2017-nfl-draft), he would pass the 7.3 test with flying colors, averaging 8.6 yards per attempt, well above quarterbacks like Carson Wentz (7.9), Deshaun Watson (8.0), and Dak Prescott (8.0) did in their relatively recent final college seasons.
It's statistical cherry-picking from small sample sizes with massive variables attempting to predict something (elite NFL quarterback play) that is incredibly rare and difficult to identify.
Yes and if Christian Hackenberg was able to declare after his freshman year he would have been a top 10 pick
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The circle jerk in here is adorable.
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The circle jerk in here is adorable.
I don't think Allen is a particularly good fit for the Jets, but that statistical analysis is terrible regardless
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It's statistical cherry-picking from small sample sizes with massive variables attempting to predict something (elite NFL quarterback play) that is incredibly rare and difficult to identify.
100% this. That reddit post is such bull excrement. He was clearly biased, and had a predetermined outcome in mind and tailored the statistics used to support his bias. If he used career YPA, Josh Allen would have surpassed this arbitrary 7.3 with a 7.8 YPA. Allen also threw so little passes this year that even one long completion could have completely swayed his YPA significantly.
I don't love Allen, but he had no "gimme" type passes that pad stats like all of the other QBs were given. WR/RB screens and using the short passing game as an extension of the running game was no where to be seen at Wyoming. If you throw in 3-4 of these type passes and an extra 20 yards, he surpasses 60% completion percentage, and likely exceeds 7.3 YPA.
Reddit hates Josh Allen with a passion, and honestly I hope he succeeds just to prove some of those fuckers wrong (unless he lands on the Bills of course).
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Apparently Lamar Jackson is really screwing himself over by not having an agent.
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Apparently Lamar Jackson is really screwing himself over by not having an agent.
I can't understand why any player in a major sport today would want to go without an agent.
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I can't understand why any player in a major sport today would want to go without an agent.
Because these players are cheap.
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I can see it on a rookie contract, maybe. The contracts are slotted for the most part except for minor details. They avoid paying the 3% (or whatever it is) agent cut.
Other than that, it seems like a terrible idea.
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Because these players are cheap.
I'd be curious to see what comparable players with and without agents wind up getting. I'm confident that even when you subtract the agent's take, players with them walk away with more money in their pocket than those who think they can do it themselves.
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I can see it on a rookie contract, maybe. The contracts are slotted for the most part except for minor details. They avoid paying the 3% (or whatever it is) agent cut.
Other than that, it seems like a terrible idea.
It's not just about negotiating a contract though - as a rookie, it's about making sure that all of the extraneous stuff around you is taken care of. There's going to be so much administration and organisation to do and having someone who knows what they're doing is invaluable.
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On his latest podcast, former NFL scout @JohnMiddlekauff revealed the Wonderlic scores for some of the big time QBs:
Josh Allen 37
Josh Rosen 29
Sam Darnold 28
Baker Mayfield 25
Lamar Jackson 13
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On his latest podcast, former NFL scout @JohnMiddlekauff revealed the Wonderlic scores for some of the big time QBs:
Josh Allen 37
Josh Rosen 29
Sam Darnold 28
Baker Mayfield 25
Lamar Jackson 13
didn't Vince Young get a 13?
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didn't Vince Young get a 13?
Dan Marino got a 16.
Peyton Manning 28.
Tom Brady 33.
Other fun ones: Neil O'Donnell got a 13. While Jesse Palmer got a 32, Carson Palmer got a 26. Chad Pennington, Rhodes Scholar, got a 25.
What does the Wonderlick even test? (I was curious so I looked for it.)
I took the test here: http://wonderlictestsample.com/25-question-wonderlic-test/ (http://wonderlictestsample.com/25-question-wonderlic-test/) and got 17 out of 25 (68% but I didn't even get to the last 3 questions). It says average is 56.11%.
It's designed to test quick thinking. Obviously, that is an important skill for a QB, but I got questions about how much someone's salary would increase based on a percentage raise, or how much a meal would cost if you add a 15% tip. I suck at math, so for these questions I was doing some estimation and guessing the answer. Reviewing my answers, I got every one of the math questions wrong but none apply to the real world because I'd just use a calculator.
The Wonderlick, just as I always suspected, is stupid.
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25 out of 25 and I still had a minute or so left. I'm basically Ryan Fitzpatrick.
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I would guess that the Wonderlic matters very little unless your score is really low. If it's decent it probably doesn't matter whether it's 20 or 45 for football. Kind of like the 40 time for offensive linemen. No one cares unless you're historically slow.
I know there's been some pretty successful players with terrible scores, but I'm not sure any of them were QBs.
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25 out of 25 and I still had a minute or so left. I'm basically Ryan Fitzpatrick.
I got 26 out of 25 and had 1 minute and 1 second left.
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It's not just about negotiating a contract though - as a rookie, it's about making sure that all of the extraneous stuff around you is taken care of. There's going to be so much administration and organisation to do and having someone who knows what they're doing is invaluable.
Valid point.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000923787/article/teams-having-trouble-setting-up-meetings-with-lamar-jackson
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Valid point.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000923787/article/teams-having-trouble-setting-up-meetings-with-lamar-jackson
Lots of red flags there. He's not doing himself any favours at all.
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Lots of red flags there. He's not doing himself any favours at all.
I'm rooting for the kid, mostly because I want to watch him play every Sunday, but you're spot on. A team willing to make him their starting quarterback is already taking a leap of faith; he's just making that leap wider.
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The sad part is I think Lamar Jackson is just as good as any of the other quarterbacks we talk about towards the top, but it would take a creative coach/GM to actually get it out of him. And he's doing a terrible job selling himself to teams.
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To date, Mayfield’s personal philosophy has been something different. He led OU to a 34-6 record in his three years as a leader who latched onto any portrayal of him or his program as something less than. Andrews, the Mackey-award winning OU tight end, remembers Mayfield walking around the football facility with a large sign reading “Pretenders”—a reference to ESPN analyst Lee Corso’s take on the Sooners’ national title prospects. Today, Mayfield is keeping a list of the media members who have crossed a line, he says, and he stores screenshots of offending tweets in his phone. All of it serves as motivation when he’s working out alone, he told Wilson.
“At the same time it really doesn’t bother me that much,” Mayfield said of the criticism, “because I know the people that say some of these things have never actually taken a snap behind center, never had a 300-pound lineman about to hit them while they have to read the defense downfield.
“If I was worried too much about it, I’d be worried about the wrong things. But I do use some of it as motivation. I can listen to all the people patting me on the back, or I can listen to the people saying I need to get better. I know I need to get better, or else there would be nobody saying that.”
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I can see it on a rookie contract, maybe. The contracts are slotted for the most part except for minor details. They avoid paying the 3% (or whatever it is) agent cut.
Other than that, it seems like a terrible idea.
It's 10% as far as I know.Dan Marino got a 16.
Peyton Manning 28.
Tom Brady 33.
Other fun ones: Neil O'Donnell got a 13. While Jesse Palmer got a 32, Carson Palmer got a 26. Chad Pennington, Rhodes Scholar, got a 25.
What does the Wonderlick even test? (I was curious so I looked for it.)
I took the test here: http://wonderlictestsample.com/25-question-wonderlic-test/ (http://wonderlictestsample.com/25-question-wonderlic-test/) and got 17 out of 25 (68% but I didn't even get to the last 3 questions). It says average is 56.11%.
It's designed to test quick thinking. Obviously, that is an important skill for a QB, but I got questions about how much someone's salary would increase based on a percentage raise, or how much a meal would cost if you add a 15% tip. I suck at math, so for these questions I was doing some estimation and guessing the answer. Reviewing my answers, I got every one of the math questions wrong but none apply to the real world because I'd just use a calculator.
The Wonderlick, just as I always suspected, is stupid.
I was 19 for 19 when I ran out of time.
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Puck Spieth
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I didn't read this yet but I heard it's good.
http://amp.si.com/nfl/2018/04/03/lamar-jackson-mother-felicia-jones-draft-agent-manager-louisville?__twitter_impression=true
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I didn't read this yet but I heard it's good.
http://amp.si.com/nfl/2018/04/03/lamar-jackson-mother-felicia-jones-draft-agent-manager-louisville?__twitter_impression=true
Eh, it's all right. I still don't think that "controlling mom with aspirations for her son" is a sensible replacement for an actual agent who knows how the NFL works, knows who to call and knows how to get the most attention. If there are teams he doesn't want to go to and he doesn't want to be positioned as anything other than a QB, that's easy to handle. But it should still be an agent doing it.
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I think we're going to get Josh Rosen, but I'm OK with Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield if Sam Darnold and Rosen go 1 & 2.
This is my final answer.
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I think we're going to get Josh Rosen, but I'm OK with Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield if Sam Darnold and Rosen go 1 & 2.
This is my final answer.
I waffle around a lot, but this is probably what we all think.
In the end, there's a chance of any outcome to the career of all 4 of these guys. The team they go to might determine more than the player himself.
I could see Rosen and Bates being a beautiful mix or a disaster.
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Rosen Rosen Rosen
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Rosen Rosen Rosen
The more that time goes forward, the more I see and hear and watch happening, the more I think Rosen is there for us at 3. Given how soon after Rosens pro day that Duff moved up, I really think he was the target of this all along, and he's about to fall into our laps.
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Great...now i get to sift through rumors of the Patriots trading up for Mayfield on twitter.
Apr 26th can't get here soon enough.
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Great...now i get to sift through rumors of the Patriots trading up for Mayfield on twitter.
That's the darkest timeline for me.
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That's the darkest timeline for me.
the next 3 1/2 weeks might as well be 3 months.
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ESPN (@espn) Tweeted:
Josh Rosen isn't going to just shut up and throw ... and he's got big plans for his NFL career: https://t.co/Xi06tXqMvT https://t.co/kOD2u23GBt https://twitter.com/espn/status/983721417022812160?s=17
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ESPN (@espn) Tweeted:
Josh Rosen isn't going to just shut up and throw ... and he's got big plans for his NFL career: https://t.co/Xi06tXqMvT https://t.co/kOD2u23GBt https://twitter.com/espn/status/983721417022812160?s=17
OK, I officially love that guy.
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ESPN (@espn) Tweeted:
Josh Rosen isn't going to just shut up and throw ... and he's got big plans for his NFL career: https://t.co/Xi06tXqMvT (https://t.co/Xi06tXqMvT) https://t.co/kOD2u23GBt (https://t.co/kOD2u23GBt) https://twitter.com/espn/status/983721417022812160?s=17 (https://twitter.com/espn/status/983721417022812160?s=17)
Holy excrement, I love this dude.
My favorite part:
What are your football goals?
I want to be great -- in everything I do. As far as football, I always looked up to Kellen Moore of Boise State. I thought it was the coolest thing that he was the winningest QB of all time. I thought that was a cool word: winningest. So I want to be the winningest QB in NFL history. I want to win the most games and most championships. I'd say six titles, but if Tom Brady gets six, I'll say seven.
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ESPN (@espn) Tweeted:
Josh Rosen isn't going to just shut up and throw ... and he's got big plans for his NFL career: https://t.co/Xi06tXqMvT https://t.co/kOD2u23GBt https://twitter.com/espn/status/983721417022812160?s=17
Such a smart kid. He'd be great here.
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Such a smart kid. He'd be great here.
it's going to be hilarious when we pass on him for Mayfield.
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it's going to be hilarious when we pass on him for Mayfield.
I honestly think this may happen, which scares me. I like Mayfield a lot, but Rosen is on a different tier.
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I bet he'd make a good coach someday, regardless of how the playing career turns out.
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it's going to be hilarious when we pass on him for Mayfield.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/S3Ot3hZ5bcy8o/giphy.webp)
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In the end, Allen is the only one I'd be bummed about.
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In the end, Allen is the only one I'd be bummed about.
Why?
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Why?
I say bummed, but really just apathetic. All of his supposed knocks are the things that have been killer for the Jets. It's all a gut feeling.
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Why?
I would root for Josh Allen, but I've seen too much bad tape where I wouldn't feel comfortable drafting him 3rd overall. I get that he has the physical upside to change the position, and that would be exciting, but I'm not confident in his ability to be accurate and to be a quality decision maker.
If we're going to draft an athletic freak, I think Lamar Jackson is far better at going through progressions and making plays, and his ability as a runner could also make him a nightmare for defenses to defend. His accuracy isn't great either, but it's better than Josh Allen's. And if we're going to talk about how bad Allen's supporting cast was, Jackson's was just as bad.
If Rosen and Darnold are both gone, I don't know if "bummed" is the word I would use for an Allen pick, since Mayfield and Jackson are flawed, too. But I will be very disappointed if we take Allen over Rosen.
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I'm docking points from Rosen for being a Musk fanboy.
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And if we're going to talk about how bad Allen's supporting cast was, Jackson's was just as bad.
No, it wasn't. Louisville's receivers dropped a ton of passes, but all of those players are way better than anything on Wyoming's roster. Dez Fitzpatrick is a really talented receiver. Jaylen Smith isn't bad either.
Wyoming also doesn't have a lineman anywhere near as talented as Geron Christian.
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I'm docking points from Rosen for being a Musk fanboy.
veto
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new avatar
go get this kid
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2 weeks until we finally have a QB for the first time in a long time
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2 weeks until we finally have a QB for the first time in a long time
Chubb can play QB?
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2 weeks until we finally have a QB for the first time in a long time
TFW you realize 2009 was 9 years ago.
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McDouche lists his QB ratings for the last 10 years (http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/23115321/todd-mcshay-nfl-draft-grades-every-first-round-qb-2008-plus-2018-top-qbs)
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McDouche lists his QB ratings for the last 10 years (http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/23115321/todd-mcshay-nfl-draft-grades-every-first-round-qb-2008-plus-2018-top-qbs)
Guy has Ryan Tannehil rated the same as Sam Darnold and Blake Bortles the same as Josh Rosen. freak that. There's also no way Mark Sanchez was a better prospect than anyone in this class.
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Guy has Ryan Tannehil rated the same as Sam Darnold and Blake Bortles the same as Josh Rosen. freak that. There's also no way Mark Sanchez was a better prospect than anyone in this class.
Mark Sanchez was an awesome prospect.
Better than Mayfield, Jackson, and Allen.
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Mark Sanchez was an awesome prospect.
Better than Mayfield, Jackson, and Allen.
I agree, but I don't think he's better than Darnold or Rosen. I just don't know how someone so polished like Rosen could ever be rated similarly to Blake Bortles. Same goes for Darnold/Tannehill. Rosen and Darnold are head and shoulders above those two imo. It may be revisionist history, but I don't ever remember thinking very highly of Tannehill or Bortles.
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I agree, but I don't think he's better than Darnold or Rosen. I just don't know how someone so polished like Rosen could ever be rated similarly to Blake Bortles. Same goes for Darnold/Tannehill. Rosen and Darnold are head and shoulders above those two imo. It may be revisionist history, but I don't ever remember thinking very highly of Tannehill or Bortles.
I don't think he's better than Darnold or Rosen.
Blake Bortles was a really productive pro-style passer. He was a really strong prospect on paper.
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This draft feels so weird. I’m usually more excited, since they made the trade to 3 I’ve just felt anxious. We all know they’re getting a QB and now there’s nothing to do other than see how it all unfolds.
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This draft feels so weird. I’m usually more excited, since they made the trade to 3 I’ve just felt anxious. We all know they’re getting a QB and now there’s nothing to do other than see how it all unfolds.
since the trade up weve had 6 weeks to rank our own QBs and come up with every scenario possible from elation to disappointment .
As long as we dont pass on Rosen or Darnold i can live with Mayfield or Allen.
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As long as we dont pass on Rosen or Darnold i can live with Mayfield or Allen.
So true. I can be happy with Mayfield, but would be slightly disappointed if we passed on Rosen. I don't see how we would pass on Darnold if for some reason he is there.
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since the trade up weve had 6 weeks to rank our own QBs and come up with every scenario possible from elation to disappointment .
As long as we dont pass on Rosen or Darnold i can live with Mayfield or Allen.
I feel like with the draft we are usually not up his high so we have more “scenarios” we can talk about.
I would likely despise being the #1 pick in the draft where there is a surefire guy that’s going in the top spot, as we would have nothing to talk about all offseason except whatever happens after we draft the guy. From a “draft intrigue” perspective it would suck, but it would be great for our future to hopefully land a sure fire stud to help get us to the top.
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I would likely despise being the #1 pick in the draft where there is a surefire guy that’s going in the top spot, as we would have nothing to talk about all offseason except whatever happens after we draft the guy.
You mean like Cleveland haven't because they're so set on taking Darnold Barkley Allen with the #1?
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You mean like Cleveland haven't because they're so set on taking Darnold Barkley Allen with the #1?
I did say "sure fire" guy. Like the Luck year, or last year with Myles Garrett. No intrigue.
I also think it's partially boring this year because we have no 2nd round picks so we aren't expecting any other major impact guys (especially in year one) from the rest of this draft after we get our QB.
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Dan Shonka is a salty man.
https://nypost.com/2018/04/17/one-draft-qb-spared-in-scouts-scathing-draft-take-cow-on-ice/
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He’s got a different personality, he’s a millennial kid
LITERALLY EVERYONE IN THIS DRAFT IS A MILLENIAL YOU SMOOTH-BRAINED freak
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Dan Shonka is a salty man.
https://nypost.com/2018/04/17/one-draft-qb-spared-in-scouts-scathing-draft-take-cow-on-ice/
one draft qb spared in scouts scathing draft take cow on ice
It sounded so much more intriguing than it actually was. Turns out this Dan Shonka guy is a freaking id-
“Anybody who doesn’t take Mayfield at the top is making a big mistake,’’ he said. “Mayfield is head and shoulders above any quarterback.’’
That Dan Shonka is one fine analyst.
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ESPN New York's Rich Cimini expects the Jets to decide between Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen at the No. 3 overall pick.
Conventional pre-draft wisdom is that the Jets are zeroed in on Mayfield, but Cimini passes along "some support" for Rosen inside the organization. The Jets likely have similar grades on Mayfield, Rosen, and Sam Darnold, explaining why they were comfortable moving up to No. 3 in the draft. They'll simply take whichever quarterback falls. With Darnold expected to be drafted at No. 1 and Saquon Barkley favored to go to the Giants at No. 2, Gang Green's decision will likely come down to Mayfield-versus-Rosen.
Dick Cimini via rotoworld
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Manish:
Maccagnan admitted that his quarterback rankings were “fairly well set” before USC quarterback Sam Darnold completed the final pre-draft quarterback visit last week. (My understanding is that the Jets did not hastily schedule Darnold at the end of the pre-draft visit window, by the way. They wanted to bring him in all along, but Darnold’s camp did not oblige because they strongly believed that he would go No. 1 overall, according to sources. When whispers grew louder that the Browns might take Josh Allen at the top of the draft, Darnold’s camp relented and agreed to a visit with the Jets).
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Manish:
I find that odd, considering he took a visit to the damn Bills before us.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/charlesrobinson/status/989177016124674048
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https://mobile.twitter.com/charlesrobinson/status/989177016124674048
Simultaneously happy that I never saw this movie and that I read the plot summary on Wikipedia.
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Simultaneously happy that I never saw this movie and that I read the plot summary on Wikipedia.
You should watch it anyway.
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The Cleveland Plain Dealer believes the Browns are serious starting Tyrod Taylor in Week 1, and that Baker Mayfield will begin his career on the bench.
Jets OC Jeremy Bates said at minicamp Wednesday that Sam Darnold is in the running to start Week 1.
Bills coach Sean McDermott said No. 7 overall pick Josh Allen will open training camp as the third-team quarterback.
Cardinals coach Steve Wilks wouldn't rule out first-round QB Josh Rosen as his Week 1 stater.
Sam Bradford is the favorite, but the Cardinals plan to give Rosen a shot in training camp.
-April 27th
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The Cleveland Plain Dealer believes the Browns are serious starting Tyrod Taylor in Week 1, and that Baker Mayfield will begin his career on the bench.
Jets OC Jeremy Bates said at minicamp Wednesday that Sam Darnold is in the running to start Week 1.
Bills coach Sean McDermott said No. 7 overall pick Josh Allen will open training camp as the third-team quarterback.
Cardinals coach Steve Wilks wouldn't rule out first-round QB Josh Rosen as his Week 1 stater.
Sam Bradford is the favorite, but the Cardinals plan to give Rosen a shot in training camp.
-April 27th
And Lamar Jackson is getting ready to run the wildcat. #bleeeedat
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Darnold: 57.5 comp %, 6.8 YPA, 4 TDs, 5 INTs, 0 fumbles
137 att + sacks
Allen: 53.4 comp %, 6.4 YPA, 2 TDs, 4 INTs, 4 fumbles, 1 fumble lost, 2 rushing TD
121 att + sacks
Mayfield 59.4 comp %, 7.7 YPA, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 3 fumbles, 2 fumbles lost
67 att + sacks
Rosen: 55.9 comp %, 6.3 YPA, 1 TD, 1 INT
36 att + sacks
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Josh Allen looks like hot doo doo
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Hopefully down the road this thread is us circle jerking to Darnold highlight reels, but I’m not holding my breath.
King
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Josh Allen has been sacked 18 times in four games.
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Josh Allen has been sacked 18 times in four games.
What I think every time someone suggests we're going to "Carr" Darnold.
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https://twitter.com/rvacchianosny/status/1163798588855660544?s=21
This guy really likes to talk
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https://twitter.com/rvacchianosny/status/1163798588855660544?s=21
This guy really likes to talk
I hope Mayfield gets stomped this year.
I'm not even saying he's wrong in his opinion....just shut up already.
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Hopefully Quinnen teabags Mayfield
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https://twitter.com/rvacchianosny/status/1163798588855660544?s=21
This guy really likes to talk
I think Baker is a bit of a douche, but If you read the article he clearly was just commenting on the situation and wasn't actually trying to talk excrement about jones
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Regardless of whether he's in the right, the dude needs to shut up...
He's never going to.
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Regardless of whether he's in the right, the dude needs to shut up...
He's never going to.
Imagine if we had drafted Baker when Rex was here.
Sam vs Baker has a chance to be a great rivalry in this league for a long time if both play the way I think they can.
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Imagine if we had drafted Baker when Rex was here.
Sam vs Baker has a chance to be a great rivalry in this league for a long time if both play the way I think they can.
sam would slap his dick on the league if he had the supporting cast that baker has