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New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2015, 06:34:21 PM
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nyjets: We've tendered RFA Damon Harrison (2nd round) & Jaiquawn Jarrett (original).
Should've given him 1st round tender
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nyjets: By league rules, because Harrison was tendered at 2nd round level, #Jets would receive 3rd round compensation if another team signs Jarrett.
Jarrett was a second rounder. I guess we're keeping him in 2015.
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Should've given him 1st round tender
I don't see how the Patriots don't look seriously at giving up pick #64 to go some way towards filling the Wilfork sized hole in their line.
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RichCimini: For Harrison, the second-round tender is $2.356M. Would've cost them $3.352M for a first-round tender. #nyj
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Do we/Snacks have right of refusal?
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Do we/Snacks have right of refusal?
I don't know, but someone needs to find out.
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With all of our cap-space, are we really concerned over the 1M difference between a 2nd and a 1st round tender?
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Jets can match
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Jets can match
Right of first refusal is one of the automatic aspects of tendering a RFA.
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Right of first refusal is one of the automatic aspects of tendering a RFA.
I actually think this is a smart play. If a team offers a reasonable deal you match it and prohibit snacks from holding out and seeking more money. If the offer is ludicrous you get a good pick that can be used in a deep dline class to reload and you resign Ellis.
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I actually think this is a smart play. If a team offers a reasonable deal you match it and prohibit snacks from holding out and seeking more money. If the offer is ludicrous you get a good pick that can be used in a deep dline class to reload and you resign Ellis.
bingo
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I actually think this is a smart play. If a team offers a reasonable deal you match it and prohibit snacks from holding out and seeking more money. If the offer is ludicrous you get a good pick that can be used in a deep dline class to reload and you resign Ellis.
Yeah, but what is break point. Chances are that it is more than the $3.3 Million per, right? Why not high tender him for that, and if he gets an offer, you could take the first round pick.
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I actually think this is a smart play. If a team offers a reasonable deal you match it and prohibit snacks from holding out and seeking more money. If the offer is ludicrous you get a good pick that can be used in a deep dline class to reload and you resign Ellis.
I can see it now. We let Snacks go for a 2nd, draft Danny Shelton at #6, and proceed to endure the wrath of Italian Seafood for the next ten years.
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I can see it now. We let Snacks go for a 2nd, draft Danny Shelton at #6, and proceed to endure the wrath of Italian Seafood for the next ten years.
Worth it
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Yeah, but what is break point. Chances are that it is more than the $3.3 Million per, right? Why not high tender him for that, and if he gets an offer, you could take the first round pick.
Because no one is making an offer for snacks for a 1st. It's not happening.
With a second round tender there's atleast a chance. If we didn't have 3 studs on the slime I'd agree with you, but the chances of us resigning all three of them is slim. I'd rather have wilk and rich than snacks.
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Snacks should have been a 1st round tender. Nobody would jump on that and we can work out the details later. If someone did jump on it, I'd be sad, but we'd be laughing all the way to the draft.
Maybe we have every intention of signing him long term and wanted to let the market set his value? This just seems like something the Pats will find a way to screw us on.
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Snacks > Ellis. And I like Ellis. Why screw with the best unit we have?
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Snacks > Ellis. And I like Ellis. Why screw with the best unit we have?
I just told you why
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I actually think this is a smart play. If a team offers a reasonable deal you match it and prohibit snacks from holding out and seeking more money. If the offer is ludicrous you get a good pick that can be used in a deep dline class to reload and you resign Ellis.
Take a flier on a draft pick, assuming we even use a 2nd rounder on a NT, or downgrade to Ellis? Not getting it.
I get your point, I really do, but the best thing we have to build around long term is the sons.
I'd rather bet an extra million on Snacks and work out a long term deal.
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Maybe duff actually wants a team to take snacks?
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Should have been a 1st. I think we've been really spoiled with the last few nose tackles we've had. We haven't attempted to field a 3-4 around an inferior nose tackle since Robertson and that wasn't pretty.
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Snacks isn't going anywhere.
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Maybe the backup plan is if someone claims Snacks we then convert Wilk and Richardson to 4-3 DTs, slide Coples to End, and draft another edge rusher with the first or newly acquired 2nd rounder
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Maybe the backup plan is if someone claims Snacks we then convert Wilk and Richardson to 4-3 DTs, slide Coples to End, and draft another edge rusher with the first or newly acquired 2nd rounder
I was thinking that might be the primary plan.
Get rid of snacks keep Ellis and run a 4-3.
But that doesn't make much sense since I was under the impression Bowles is a 3-4 guy.
And figured so was our DC from Miami
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Maybe duff actually wants a team to take snacks?
I don't think there is an agenda. Snacks was tendered at the right Round and the Jets can meet anyone's offer. I think you're reading too much into it.
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Depending on how high the 2nd round pick is we could either choose to match or not match another team's offer for Harrison. In other words, there's zero down side to this.
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Depending on how high the 2nd round pick is we could either choose to match or not match another team's offer for Harrison. In other words, there's zero down side to this.
There is no downside, I agree. We get Harrison or we get a 2nd rounder.
My reservation, is why put yourself in that position. A first round tender is a no brainer if an offer comes in, and it will be a difficult decision if we get an offer now. My concern is that the new regime will put their faith in their own abilities to find a replacement and coach him up, versus, matching a reasonable offer for a fan base that has watched him develop and become a fan favorite.
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Depending on how high the 2nd round pick is we could either choose to match or not match another team's offer for Harrison. In other words, there's zero down side to this.
That's the point of RFAs, we would get compensation right away. Instead of waiting for comp picks over a year later from URFAs that never equal the value of players lost.
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Depending on how high the 2nd round pick is we could either choose to match or not match another team's offer for Harrison. In other words, there's zero down side to this.
Maybe my logic is wrong
But if a team had to offer a second round pick for a guy wouldn't they be willing to offer him more money, than if it required a first to get him?
In other words wouldn't his contract possibly be cheaper (certainly not more expensive) if he was tendered for a first?
Since both cap space and draft picks hold value
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Should have been a first, thankfully teams can't poison pill any longer.
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My reservation, is why put yourself in that position. A first round tender is a no brainer if an offer comes in, and it will be a difficult decision if we get an offer now. My concern is that the new regime will put their faith in their own abilities to find a replacement and coach him up, versus, matching a reasonable offer for a fan base that has watched him develop and become a fan favorite.
Yeah, that's my thinking too. Given the amount of cap space we have, the extra $700K or whatever isn't enough to make a difference to our strategy but I would have to think long and hard about a first round pick. That having been said, if we can keep him by matching then it's probably not a big issue.
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Have any beat writers analyst or any of that excrement explained this move?
There must be some logic
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There must be some logic
You still wouldn't understand it at all then.
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Have any beat writers analyst or any of that excrement explained this move?
There must be some logic
So you complain about these guys not knowing anything, but want them to explain excrement to you?
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So you complain about these guys not knowing anything, but want them to explain excrement to you?
I follow a lot of what they say?
Their whining and turning us into a circus I don't like, but I generally think these guys are pretty wise
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Not a huge fan of a 2nd round tender for Snacks, but like that we are bringing back Jarrett for depth.
Hopefully Snacks is left alone by other teams, but I wouldn't be shocked to see a team bite who needs a NT that's going for it all.
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Have any beat writers analyst or any of that excrement explained this move?
There must be some logic
What's to explain? It's a reasonable move.
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What's to explain? It's a reasonable move.
Why use a 2nd round tender over a first?
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Why use a 2nd round tender over a first?
Because no one will use a first and the 2nd round tender is cheaper
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Because no one will use a first and the 2nd round tender is cheaper
But a team is somewhat likely to pick him up for a 2nd no?
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Why use a 2nd round tender over a first?
Because they deemed him to be worth a second round tender.
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Because they deemed him to be worth a second round tender.
"but why"
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"but why"
Pretty sure you wondered why we didn't give him a first round tender when you made this thread, thus your original post
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pretty sure if I could go back in time, I would murder the apes your simpleton family evolved from
But doesn't that mean you wouldn't exist either dad?
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But doesn't that mean you wouldn't exist either dad?
He's not your dad, son.
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Well, it's quite simple really. Sheldon Richardson and Mo Wilkerson were first round picks, Wilk was even picked at the end of the 1st. He's not as good as any of those two, he's not even as good as those two were in their first year in the NFL. Hence, a second round tender seems reasonable. Also, if no one offers anything to him that gives the Jets leverage when negotiating an extension.
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They probably don't think teams will be willing to give a 2nd round pick and a contract we couldn't match for a nose tackle in today's NFL. They're probably right, but they are rolling the dice a little bit for just $1 million.
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They probably don't think teams will be willing to give a 2nd round pick and a contract we couldn't match for a nose tackle in today's NFL. They're probably right, but they are rolling the dice a little bit for just $1 million.
Like many people in this thread you're missing the point. They clearly value him as a second round pick and either don't think anyone will offer a second for him (which is probably right) or they're okay with getting a 2nd round pick for him.
We're not going to be able to resign all of the sons. If we can get a 2nd round pick for him or get him at a lower negotiated contract because of this situation we're winning.
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Well, it's quite simple really. Sheldon Richardson and Mo Wilkerson were first round picks, Wilk was even picked at the end of the 1st. He's not as good as any of those two, he's not even as good as those two were in their first year in the NFL. Hence, a second round tender seems reasonable. Also, if no one offers anything to him that gives the Jets leverage when negotiating an extension.
Those first rounder spent on Wilk and Sheldon are on unknown commodities though. If you base it on production Snacks definitely borders on late 1st, early 2nd round talent.
Would Richard Sherman have a 4th round tender?
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Shopping for a new deal might not be high on his priority list at the moment.
Damon Harrison @BigDame900 2m2 minutes ago
Rest in paradise pop...imma mourn you till I join you. Speechless
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that sucks
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Not good....
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Those first rounder spent on Wilk and Sheldon are on unknown commodities though. If you base it on production Snacks definitely borders on late 1st, early 2nd round talent.
Would Richard Sherman have a 4th round tender?
That's why I said "the first year they were on the NFL". Snacks is a very good NT, but not an elite DL. Second round seems right to me. Now, we could have tendered with a first and I wouldn't have complained but I don't think it's much of a deal.
(RIP Snack's dad :( )
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Snacks is a very good NT, but not an elite DL.
Damon Harrison was very close to being an All-Pro nose tackle
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Maybe but NT's usually are less considered than DE's. We got Kris Jenkins for a 3rd and a 5th, he had a history of injuries, but was better than what Harrison is atm and had been three years healthy.
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Maybe but NT's usually are less considered than DE's. We got Kris Jenkins for a 3rd and a 5th, he had a history of injuries, but was better than what Harrison is atm and had been three years healthy.
Kris Jenkins when healthy was the best NT I have ever seen, but he was never healthy. That's a pretty high bar for comparison sake. They're very different players/nt's.
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Kris Jenkins when healthy was the best NT I have ever seen, but he was never healthy. That's a pretty high bar for comparison sake. They're very different players/nt's.
He was healthy in 2006 and 2007, the two years before we traded for him. And he was awesome yet we paid a 3rd and a 5th, which is less than a 2nd and MUCH less than a 1st.
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He was healthy in 2006 and 2007, the two years before we traded for him. And he was awesome yet we paid a 3rd and a 5th, which is less than a 2nd and MUCH less than a 1st.
Wanting a guy gone and daring a team to take him are 2 different things. Carolina wanted to move on from Jenkins, he may have had 2 healthy seasons but he had some issues and problems within that organization. Shopping him like that lessens any potential deals as that creates a buyers market.
Harrison has no injury history, no issues whatsoever and anchors one of the better dlines in the NFL, plus the Jets do not want to get rid of him. So his tender/value is not strict apples to apples comparison and appears higher. The Jets have a sellers marker as they don't want to get rid of him.
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He was healthy in 2006 and 2007, the two years before we traded for him. And he was awesome yet we paid a 3rd and a 5th, which is less than a 2nd and MUCH less than a 1st.
But he had previously suffered a horrible injury and he was 30 years old when we acquired him
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I'm not saying Snacks is not good, he's very good, I'm just not outraged because we put a 2nd round tender on him. I think that's mostly his value.
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I'm not saying Snacks is not good, he's very good, I'm just not outraged because we put a 2nd round tender on him. I think that's mostly his value.
This whole thread is people debating over things they mostly agree upon. And then there's dcm.
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This whole thread is people debating over things they mostly agree upon. And then there's dcm.
I'm just asking what's the logic in giving him a 2nd round tender over a 1st. If we anticipate having to match other teams offers. Since a 1st round tender would only scare some potential teams off (more than a 2nd) meaning it's possible the offers would be lower.
Its really not that far out there. Maybe they want someone to grab him up, I have no freaking clue
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These two posts sum it up.
They probably don't think teams will be willing to give a 2nd round pick and a contract we couldn't match for a nose tackle in today's NFL. They're probably right, but they are rolling the dice a little bit for just $1 million.
They clearly value him as a second round pick and either don't think anyone will offer a second for him (which is probably right) or they're okay with getting a 2nd round pick for him.
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Only reason they might possibly (and that's a small possibly), look to not match an offer sheet if he gets one is the fact that Wilk and Sheldon will be eating up a big chunk of cap here shortly and they don't see the value or financial ability in the future to lock that much cap up in all 3. If Snacks doesn't get paid this offseason, he will be getting paid, and well, sooner than later.
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Only reason they might possibly (and that's a small possibly), look to not match an offer sheet if he gets one is the fact that Wilk and Mo will be eating up a big chunk of cap here shortly
Is he double dipping?
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touche
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Only reason they might possibly (and that's a small possibly), look to not match an offer sheet if he gets one is the fact that Wilk and Sheldon will be eating up a big chunk of cap here shortly and they don't see the value or financial ability in the future to lock that much cap up in all 3. If Snacks doesn't get paid this offseason, he will be getting paid, and well, sooner than later.
Wilkerson is already on the books for $7 million in 2015 because of the 5th year option. If they sign a new deal, his cap number won't go up a tremendous amount unless they front-load the first year a lot for some reason. Duff seems to do a good job of leveling out all of the cap hits so they are consistent every year. No major ups and downs.
Say Wilkerson signs a deal that averages $12 million per year. Our cap hit for year one, might only increase $5 million over what it is now.
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ESPN Jets reporter Rich Cimini reports impending free agent NT Damon Harrison is likely looking for "at least" $5 million annually on a new contract.
The Jets reportedly value re-signing Harrison as highly as keeping RE Muhammad Wilkerson, who is also scheduled for free agency. Harrison "believes he's the best 3-4 nose tackle in the league" and wants to be paid like it. Vince Wilfork and Terrance Knighton made $4.45 million annually in 2015 as the league's highest-paid pure 3-4 nose tackles. "Big Snacks" should best that.
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Pay that man his money
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I'm very OK with giving Snacks $5M a year. That cost relative to his importance to the team and the difficulty of replacing him is one of the easier value assessments to make.
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I'm very OK with giving Snacks $5M a year. That cost relative to his importance to the team and the difficulty of replacing him is one of the easier value assessments to make.
Yep. Well said. For 2 downs, he is as important as any other d-lineman on the team.
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Probably need to change this thread title or move this. At first I was wondering how the hell we could tender him.
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I think I expected him to ask for 6 ir 7M earlier in another thread
He's worth every penny of 5
Prolly ends up with 6 if the Jets want to keep him
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I say we draft another d-lineman in the first round and go fat dime 24/7. 5 lineman, no LB and 6 DBs.
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If it costs $5M to retain Snacks and it doesn't get done it will go a long way to diminishing the effect of the job Maccagnan did last year in my eyes. This just seems like an easy "Here's your contract, please sign in each place indicated."
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Pay that man his money
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If it costs $5M to retain Snacks and it doesn't get done it will go a long way to diminishing the effect of the job Maccagnan did last year in my eyes. This just seems like an easy "Here's your contract, please sign in each place indicated."
Yes in every way. Snacks is a monster and compared to other "richer" positions in the league he would be making peanuts as a premier player.
Pay that dude his money, and do it now.
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5 mil per is chump change for a guy like Snacks. I have a feeling that number is bullshit. This guy would make a killing on the open market.
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Offer him 7 million a year but secretly do it in pesos so we get him cheap.
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5 mil per is chump change for a guy like Snacks. I have a feeling that number is bullshit. This guy would make a killing on the open market.
It's a really low paid position, relatively speaking. $5M per would make him the highest paid nose tackle in the league.
I agree he'll probably get a bit more, but it won't be a lot more.
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There's really only one positive that can come out of potentially losing Damon Harrison.
If a team comes in and offers him what he wants ($5M per season), the Jets will probably get a pretty solid compensatory pick because of it. The same goes for Chris Ivory. I can't see us making big signings at either position.
I'd still like to see the Jets find a way to hang on to Snacks. Chris Ivory can take his derriere to Dallas and I'll gladly take the 2017 5th will get because of it.
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"I love winning more than I love money." - Snacks
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"I love winning more than I love money." - Snacks
League.minimum. Do it.
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"I love winning more than I love money." - Snacks
So does that mean he would come back cheaper, or need more money from us to stay? Since we've never made a postseason in his career, it's an interesting question
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Not sure how this ended up on rotoworld
Jets GM Mike Maccagnan said free agent NT Damon Harrison could be franchise tagged.
Harrison would only be a candidate if DE Muhammad Wilkerson signs an extension. One of the top run stoppers in the league, Harrison is going to be in high demand if he hits the market. Tagging Harrison would cost the Jets $13.4M.
Theres literally no way in the world Harrison gets tagged
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You could pay him half that and he'd be the best paid nose tackle in history. Of course he's not getting tagged.
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You could pay him half that and he'd be the best paid nose tackle in history. Of course he's not getting tagged.
Wonder if theres a chance they could ever fix the franchise tag for nose tackles, so that its not retarded
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If we tag Snacks Maccagnan should be fired
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Why would he say that anyway?
"I want at least $5 million."
"We just told the media there's a chance we may give you triple that for no reason."
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Wonder if theres a chance they could ever fix the franchise tag for nose tackles, so that its not retarded
I think the problem there is that if you make it too granular, the players and their agents will get embroiled in arguments about the player's actual role given how many hybrid schemes there are these days.
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I don't think there's any risk that Harrison gets tagged, but if by some miracle Duff gets Wilk to sign before the tag deadline he could use it for that short period as some leverage to get Snacks signed as well.
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I don't think there's any risk that Harrison gets tagged, but if by some miracle Duff gets Wilk to sign before the tag deadline he could use it for that short period as some leverage to get Snacks signed as well.
If you were Snacks and you just got tagged, why would you have any incentive to do a long term deal? In that position I'd play out the year, say thanks very much for my colossal payday, and then sit down as a free agent to work out a new deal.
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I don't think there's any risk that Harrison gets tagged, but if by some miracle Duff gets Wilk to sign before the tag deadline he could use it for that short period as some leverage to get Snacks signed as well.
If I were Snacks, I'd sign that tag in a heartbeat and intentionally not sign a long-term contract. The $13 million for the tag for 1 year is probably not too far off from the amount he'd get guaranteed in a new 4 year contract. Double dip. Take the $13 million for one year and get another $15 million or so again the next year on a new deal from another team (or the Jets). No way they offer him the tag.
EDIT: What JE said ^
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Every time I've ever seen a player talk about the tag they hate the idea of it. Guys don't like to risk long-term deals for single year payoffs. $13MM is a lot of money, but he has to be a candidate for a 4-5 year deal at $5MM per which is $20-25MM. Would you want to risk $7-12MM, especially if you had just watched the guy who lines up next to you every day go down in the last game of the year?
Also, I didn't phrase myself as well as I should have. What I was trying to say was if Duff can get Mo signed before the tag deadline (Tuesday) he could use it as leverage up until the tag deadline. Like I said, I don't think there's any risk Snacks will actually get tagged, but any leverage is better than none.
Actually, if they got Mo signed before Tuesday's deadline, Harrison could be transition tagged, which no one has discussed. To me that would be best-case scenario.
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I don't think this one really has to be too complicated. Nose tackles are cheap, they're important to the way this team plays and Harrison is about the best one in the game, so let's pay him like it and move on to more complex issues.
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Every time I've ever seen a player talk about the tag they hate the idea of it. Guys don't like to risk long-term deals for single year payoffs. $13MM is a lot of money, but he has to be a candidate for a 4-5 year deal at $5MM per which is $20-25MM. Would you want to risk $7-12MM, especially if you had just watched the guy who lines up next to you every day go down in the last game of the year?
Also, I didn't phrase myself as well as I should have. What I was trying to say was if Duff can get Mo signed before the tag deadline (Tuesday) he could use it as leverage up until the tag deadline. Like I said, I don't think there's any risk Snacks will actually get tagged, but any leverage is better than none.
Actually, if they got Mo signed before Tuesday's deadline, Harrison could be transition tagged, which no one has discussed. To me that would be best-case scenario.
First off, Snacks will get more than $5 million per year. Second, he's unlikely to see the last year of a contract, so you can only really compare guaranteed money. You are comparing it as he will have a fully guaranteed contract. The rest is fluff they may never see.
There are reasons transition tags are rarely ever used.
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4 years 26 million, 16 guaranteed.
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4 years 26 million, 16 guaranteed.
I thought that was real for a second.
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I thought that was real for a second.
suckah
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suckah
Bumpkin bro get your facts straight
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My bad shpuldve added thst it was a prediction lololol
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Kimberly Jones ✔ @KimJonesSports
I'm told NYJ believe their offer to Damon Harrison will be "competitive." Obviously, they hope to re-sign him.
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Resign this beast and trade that other beast on the defensive line so our d line will have 3 beasts.
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La Canfora is reporting that it would take something major in the next week for Harrison to not test free agency. If the team lets him get away I think it will be the first major mis-step from Maccagnan - for me he was the single most important player to keep hold of in FA, including Wilk.
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There's no reason for Snacks to not test the market unless the Jets said: "This is the max we're going to give you. Take it or leave it, but once you say no it'll never be this high again" which they won't do.
He's going to see what his value is on the open market and once he knows the max, he'll come back and say: "How can you compete with this number?"
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I would do the same if I were Snacks. Why not? The Jets are being smart not overpaying him just because there's a slight chance someone will offer him crazy money.
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I would do the same if I were Snacks. Why not? The Jets are being smart not overpaying him just because there's a slight chance someone will offer him crazy money.
I completely agree on both points. Snacks should see what the market dictates he's worth. It's what any of us would do. The Jets should let him walk if the market dictates a number they feel is exorbitant. In the end he'll get paid and it'll likely be by the Jets.
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Over the cap: Ian Williams contract should set floors now for Damon harrison and Jaye Howard who should be more in demand
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Don't post anything about the Williams contract.
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Don't post anything about the Williams contract.
Lol I'm sure snacks agents already know those numbers
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uhh not sure how to take this
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2016/03/giants_free_agency_news_and_rumors_live_updates_as.html
For that price, best of luck in blue Snacks! $8-9 million is crazy
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Lol...snacks just lit a cigar
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
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Jason La Canfora reports it's $9 million / year with $24 million guaranteed. freak that noise
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I really liked Snacks, but we should never have considered him for that price. Good for him, and good for Duff not going down that road.
I hope for the Giants' sake they use him in a 4-3 so he isn't a 2-down Rolls Royce.
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9 per for Snacks is ridiculous. I love the guy but not for that much, hell no. Good luck to him.
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Jason La Canfora reports it's $9 million / year with $24 million guaranteed. freak that noise
Wow good for him no way jets could match
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Lol I'm sure snacks agents already know those numbers
I meant us, there was no context for us.
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He was one of my favorites but freak 9.
I'd do 5 year 35 17 guaranteed . Final offer.
You will be sorely missed
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Good for him.
This means we sign Mo Wilk?
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Love Damon, but can't give him that much money. That said, if we lose Wilk now, out defensive line suddenly goes from elite to simply good with potential.
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Love Damon, but can't give him that much money. That said, if we lose Wilk now, out defensive line suddenly goes from elite to simply good with potential.
The choice was Wilk or Snacks. Now that Snacks is gone, you have to keep Wilk.
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The choice was Wilk or Snacks. Now that Snacks is gone, you have to keep Wilk.
I hope so.
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The choice was Wilk or Snacks. Now that Snacks is gone, you have to keep Wilk.
+1
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The choice was Wilk or Snacks. Now that Snacks is gone, you have to keep Wilk.
I would hope so.
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I still wonder what kind of defensive scheme we would run while trying to maximize Sheldon, Leonard, and Mo on the field as much as possible. Especially if we have a 4th guy at NT for 2 downs. What we did last year seemed like we were just playing with the hand we were dealt because Leonard Williams fell in our laps.
I'm a bit of a novice, but I don't feel like we would run a 3-4 scheme with just those 3 on the field. It seems like an awful waste of snaps to be playing Sheldon at OLB here and there. I doubt we are switching to 4-3. Seems to me we have one too many top end DE's for a 3-4 defense. I know it's hard to have too many good players, but I'd rather spread the wealth to another position.
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I still wonder what kind of defensive scheme we would run while trying to maximize Sheldon, Leonard, and Mo on the field as much as possible. Especially if we have a 4th guy at NT for 2 downs. What we did last year seemed like we were just playing with the hand we were dealt because Leonard Williams fell in our laps.
I'm a bit of a novice, but I don't feel like we would run a 3-4 scheme with just those 3 on the field. It seems like an awful waste of snaps to be playing Sheldon at OLB here and there. I doubt we are switching to 4-3. Seems to me we have one too many top end DE's for a 3-4 defense. I know it's hard to have too many good players, but I'd rather spread the wealth to another position.
From a 4-3 perspective all 3 guys are capable of rushing from the interior.
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Sheldon Richardson could be a really good nose tackle if used correctly. He doesn't need to be a true zero like Snacks.
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My wife just asked why we didn't keep Snacks with the innocence of a child.
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My wife just asked why we didn't keep Snacks with the innocence of a child.
"Snacks wanted to get paid, hon."
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"Snacks wanted to get paid, hon."
That was basically it.
"They offered him too much and we couldn't afford it."
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That was basically it.
"They offered him too much and we couldn't afford it."
reading this post was much more effective with sarah mclachlan playing in my head.
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reading this post was much more effective with sarah mclachlan playing in my head.
Huh
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Huh
yeah
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reading this post was much more effective with sarah mclachlan playing in my head.
She just found out about Ivory.
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Sadly my 10th graders aren't much improved in their communicative qualities.
But damn dat Daniel dohhhh
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But damn dat Daniel dohhhh
That was funny for about a day. Now it's the worst.
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That was funny for about a day. Now it's the worst.
I know... I swear every time I turn around its "back at it again with the [insert random article of clothing/shoes] Mr. Libero!
I want to strangle the kids every time they say it.
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She just found out about Ivory.
"i will remember youuuuuu"
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I would have to run into a wall as fast as I could.
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welp, hes dead to me.
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Can't Douzable take his spot?
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Can't Douzable take his spot?
No. Douzable weighs 280 lbs. He's a DE. And he's not under contract.
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Class act.
https://www.facebook.com/damonharrison43/videos/1135400493167500/
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Class act.
https://www.facebook.com/damonharrison43/videos/1135400493167500/
Hahaha I was just coming her to post this. Yes very very classy, I wish they would have been able to keep him but oh well. Good luck to him personally/professionally but freak the Giants.
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Hahaha I was just coming her to post this. Yes very very classy, I wish they would have been able to keep him but oh well. Good luck to him personally/professionally but freak the Giants.
I can't think of a football example of this phenomenon, but back in the 80s Forest had a striker called Garry Birtles. Local lad, came up through non-league football and was spotted by a Forest scout who took a chance on him - the equivalent of a UDFA. Birtles became an overnight sensation and scored goals for fun for us for a few years, then Man U came in with a big money offer and we lost him. He was absolute dogshit for them and two years later came back to Forest for a fraction of what he'd cost Man U, and as soon as he came back he was magnificent for us again. Finished his career with us and is still a local legend.
Snacks is going to be our Garry Birtles.
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Then there's this, freak him again, lol :
It came down to the last minute. It was a back-and-forth volleyball of green-and-blue magnitudes.
But, when the dust settled, nose tackle Damon Harrison decided to make the short 30-minute drive from Florham Park to East Rutherford, and sign a five-year contract with the Giants, over the Jets, worth $46.5 million.
And “Snacks,” as he’s nicknamed, believes it was the right call.
“It was a decision that I made at the last minute. It could have gone either way,” Harrison said on a conference call with reporters. “I think I made the right choice. No disrespect to the Jets.
Originally signed by the Jets as an undrafted free agent in 2012, Harrison, over the ensuing four years, has developed himself into quite a good defensive lineman.
Actually, arguably the best nose tackle in the NFL.
Lined up in the center of the Jets 3-4 defense, Harrison has established himself as one of the game’s best defenders against the run. That came to the forefront during this past season when he recorded a career-high 72 tackles, and won the ProFootballFocus.com ‘Ted Washington Award.’
But Harrison, as mentioned above, did all of that in a 3-4 defense. With the Giants, he’ll play as a three-technique in a 4-3. Big difference, yes, but Harrison said he thinks it’ll give him a chance to do even more.
And as far as his individual success in 2015, well, “Snacks” says he’s only getting started.
“I don’t think I’ve made it at all,” Harrison said. “I still have a lot to prove to myself.
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I can't think of a football example of this phenomenon, but back in the 80s Forest had a striker called Garry Birtles. Local lad, came up through non-league football and was spotted by a Forest scout who took a chance on him - the equivalent of a UDFA. Birtles became an overnight sensation and scored goals for fun for us for a few years, then Man U came in with a big money offer and we lost him. He was absolute dogshit for them and two years later came back to Forest for a fraction of what he'd cost Man U, and as soon as he came back he was magnificent for us again. Finished his career with us and is still a local legend.
Snacks is going to be our Garry Birtles.
From your lips to gods ears
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Then there's this, freak him again, lol :
If it truly was so back-and-forth, that would seem to imply that the offers were fairly close. Surprising, considering a two-down player isn't worth anywhere near $9 mil a year .
The Giants are going to be disappointed if they're going to use him as a 3-technique. He's not a strong enough penetrator.
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Then there's this, freak him again, lol :
You hear this excrement all the time from guys who move on. They want fanbases and organizations to feel like they were there in the end. But there's usually a reason for it, and my guess is it was something about our $5 million dollar offer vs their $8.5 million a year offer.
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You hear this excrement all the time from guys who move on. They want fanbases and organizations to feel like they were there in the end. But there's usually a reason for it, and my guess is it was something about our $5 million dollar offer vs their $8.5 million a year offer.
I'm sure he loved his time here and this was a thanks to fans
But yeah I kinda rolled my eyes on fb . More playing time , more money .
No brainer
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I'm sure he loved his time here and this was a thanks to fans
But yeah I kinda rolled my eyes on fb . More playing time , more money .
No brainer
Coupled with the fact he basically gets to continue living in the same spot, and doesn't have to uproot his family?
Absolutely.
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https://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/03/giants_damon_harrison_offers_farewell_message_to_j.html
freak, man.
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And he's classy now. Can't put a price on that.