Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 11, 2022, 12:25:28 PM
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The #Jets are giving OT Duane Brown a 2-year deal worth $22M, source said. A significant investment in a key position.
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Sources: Five-time Pro-Bowl OT Duane Brown is signing with the New York Jets, who lost OT Mekhi Becton earlier this week to a likely season-ending knee injury.
JD comes through
Post by: reuben on August 11, 2022, 12:27:29 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 11, 2022, 12:29:52 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 11, 2022, 12:34:13 PM
This gives us a ton of options for next year, since we will have Becton, Brown and Mitchell all under contract, plus potentially Fant on a new deal or a tag. Obviously, you can't trust Becton as the starter next year, but having tackle depth gives us flexibility.
Post by: MBGreen on August 11, 2022, 12:41:25 PM
So are we gonna sign Duane Brown or what...
Your silly impatience paid off
Post by: Heismanberg on August 11, 2022, 12:45:14 PM
We need to extend Fant and draft another tackle in 2023.
2023 OT looks pretty thin right now…
Post by: Libero_2 on August 11, 2022, 12:47:21 PM
I also want another OT. Body wise this gets us back to where we were last week. Edoga and/or McDermott are still rosterable right now, and I think a browns signing was initially intended to end that.
Hopefully a young guy gets cut later this summer that we can snag off waivers and rid ourselves of those two deadbeat depth positions
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 11, 2022, 12:49:33 PM
Your silly impatience paid offWanted to get that done ASAP after the Becton signing. We got it done.
OT is too important to nickel and dime Brown anymore. You want to bring him in ASAP, figure out who is playing on the left and who is playing on the right, and get the OL to gel. Haggling over money was fine when Becton was healthy and there wasn't an immediate need, but our hand was forced, and good job by Joe Douglas reacting to it.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 11, 2022, 12:51:01 PM
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2023/all/tackle// (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2023/all/tackle//)
Post by: MBGreen on August 11, 2022, 12:54:26 PM
Wanted to get that done ASAP after the Becton signing. We got it done.
OT is too important to nickel and dime Brown anymore. You want to bring him in ASAP, figure out who is playing on the left and who is playing on the right, and get the OL to gel. Haggling over money was fine when Becton was healthy and there wasn't an immediate need, but our hand was forced, and good job by Joe Douglas reacting to it.
The ball was in Brown's court. I'm sure Douglas wanted to sign him while Becton was still being loaded into the ambulance.
i don't believe nickel and diming was happening here. Brown was probably taking his time to weigh all his options.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 11, 2022, 12:54:41 PM
I’d wager this is 2 years to give us cap flexibility this season. At the end of the year we can cut him for x amount of dead money, ensuring Brown makes at least x dollars off this deal. We just carry a dead cap hit next year unless he’s either outstanding or retires.McDermott and Edoga are decent enough as 4th OT options. There aren't too many quality offensive tackles on the market this late. Good young offensive tackles don't get cut in training camp very often.
I also want another OT. Body wise this gets us back to where we were last week. Edoga and/or McDermott are still rosterable right now, and I think a browns signing was initially intended to end that.
Hopefully a young guy gets cut later this summer that we can snag off waivers and rid ourselves of those two deadbeat depth positions
Two years gives us lots of options. Is Brown washed? Then we can get rid of him. Does Fant want too much money? We can tag him, or tag/trade him. Does Becton have an awesome offseason where we are more confident in him going into next season? Great, he can compete for a job, and we still have enough quality depth as insurance. Or we can trade him for some Day 3 pick. Does Mitchell step up and look like a starter option? Then we can keep him and whatever 2 other tackles we want for next season and have them compete.
Post by: MBGreen on August 11, 2022, 12:55:11 PM
Here's a current list of pending FA OT in 2023
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2023/all/tackle// (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2023/all/tackle//)
go get the Conkerspaniel or McGlinchey in FA.
Post by: MBGreen on August 11, 2022, 12:56:33 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 11, 2022, 01:00:04 PM
I have to imagine we bumped our salary offer after the Becton move to get this done.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 11, 2022, 01:01:39 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 11, 2022, 01:02:52 PM
So is Fant going to move back over to RT or will Brown start there for the first time in his career?
Yes.
Post by: MBGreen on August 11, 2022, 01:03:02 PM
So is Fant going to move back over to RT or will Brown start there for the first time in his career?
According to Cimini, it hasn't been decided yet.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 11, 2022, 01:16:58 PM
The contract makes it seem like he's definitely starting, but Brown also gained a ton of leverage in negotiations.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 11, 2022, 01:17:00 PM
McDermott and Edoga are decent enough as 4th OT options. There aren't too many quality offensive tackles on the market this late. Good young offensive tackles don't get cut in training camp very often.
Two years gives us lots of options. Is Brown washed? Then we can get rid of him. Does Fant want too much money? We can tag him, or tag/trade him. Does Becton have an awesome offseason where we are more confident in him going into next season? Great, he can compete for a job, and we still have enough quality depth as insurance. Or we can trade him for some Day 3 pick. Does Mitchell step up and look like a starter option? Then we can keep him and whatever 2 other tackles we want for next season and have them compete.
They weren’t 4th or options a week ago before Becton injury and they aren’t today after Browns signing. I know we want to think Mitchell is ready to be an nfl swing tackle right now, but a week ago the idea of that had everyone scared. Today he is also still that guy, and everyone should still feel exactly the same about it as they did a week ago.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 11, 2022, 01:17:53 PM
go get the Conkerspaniel or McGlinchey in FA.
I don’t see any way either hits the market.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 11, 2022, 01:18:38 PM
Still can't believe Joe Douglas got Morgan Moses for what we got him for last year. This price is more reasonable for a quality starting OT.
I have to imagine we bumped our salary offer after the Becton move to get this done.
Compared to what Moses got from Baltimore, I think we paid a bit of a premium...which is fine by me. Need to protect Zach
"Morgan Moses signed a 3 year, $15,000,000 contract with the Baltimore Ravens, including a $4,380,000 signing bonus, $5,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,000,000. In 2022, Moses will earn a base salary of $1,120,000 and a signing bonus of $4,380,000, while carrying a cap hit of $2,580,000 and a dead cap value of $5,500,000."
Post by: MBGreen on August 11, 2022, 01:18:38 PM
Could even be the Damien Woody theory of just bring in Brown as insurance, give Mitchell every chance to succeed on the right, and if it doesn't work, figure it out later.
The contract makes it seem like he's definitely starting, but Brown also gained a ton of leverage in negotiations.
Brown is going to play. Connor Hughes tweeted that Brown had offers to go to contenders.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 11, 2022, 01:18:45 PM
Interesting take. It's possible Fant was just going to have a quality 2021 season no matter where he was, just because he was always a project offensive tackle, so he could easily be a late bloomer.
Post by: MBGreen on August 11, 2022, 01:19:36 PM
I don’t see any way either hits the market.
We'll see...Deshaun Watson was expensive. Could free up the Conk.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 11, 2022, 01:20:36 PM
Could even be the Damien Woody theory of just bring in Brown as insurance, give Mitchell every chance to succeed on the right, and if it doesn't work, figure it out later.
The contract makes it seem like he's definitely starting, but Brown also gained a ton of leverage in negotiations.
I wouldn’t be shocked at all if this a glorified 1 year deal that looks something like
Year 1- 7 million 100% guaranteed
Year 2 - 15 million with $3 million guaranteed
Essentially getting brown $10 million, but for one year of service. If he’s a god this year, we can restructure and keep him or pay him that absurd year 2 salary, which in reality isn’t that bad for a starting OT, but nobody expects him to be an elite guy at 37 (and even less so at 38) so you’d imagine that’s a voided year. Just a guess behind the thinking of course
Post by: Libero_2 on August 11, 2022, 01:23:24 PM
We'll see...Deshaun Watson was expensive. Could free up the Conk.
Sure, but the real target/dream would be McGlinchey of the two, and why on earth would SF let him walk for nothing?
As for Conklin we had our shot years ago, and didn’t want to pay him then. Why pay him more now, than 4 years ago?
Post by: MBGreen on August 11, 2022, 01:33:56 PM
Sure, but the real target/dream would be McGlinchey of the two, and why on earth would SF let him walk for nothing?
As for Conklin we had our shot years ago, and didn’t want to pay him then. Why pay him more now, than 4 years ago?
SF let Laken Tomlinson walk
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 11, 2022, 01:45:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 11, 2022, 01:46:35 PM
LT: Fant (30)
LG: Tomlinson (30)
C: McGovern (29)
RG: AVT (23)
RT: Brown (37)
We can hope that Mitchell grows into something good, but the chances of Herbig or Pierschbacher developing into much are pretty slim, and we already know what Feeney, Edoga and McDermott are. For all the talk of building the line, we've spent the last three years mostly sticking veteran bandaids on it. AVT is the only shining exception.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 11, 2022, 01:53:18 PM
SF let Laken Tomlinson walk
He was 32 and an interior player rather than a Tackle. But yes hopefully they allow McGlinchey to walk and we throw the bank at him
Post by: MBGreen on August 11, 2022, 01:53:30 PM
For all that our line desperately needed a rebuild, with Brown starting it's seriously veteran.
LT: Fant (30)
LG: Tomlinson (30)
C: McGovern (29)
RG: AVT (23)
RT: Brown (37)
We can hope that Mitchell grows into something good, but the chances of Herbig or Pierschbacher developing into much are pretty slim, and we already know what Feeney, Edoga and McDermott are. For all the talk of building the line, we've spent the last three years mostly sticking veteran bandaids on it. AVT is the only shining exception.
TBF...Becton was supposed to play, and he's 23.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 11, 2022, 01:54:03 PM
For all that our line desperately needed a rebuild, with Brown starting it's seriously veteran.
LT: Fant (30)
LG: Tomlinson (30)
C: McGovern (29)
RG: AVT (23)
RT: Brown (37)
We can hope that Mitchell grows into something good, but the chances of Herbig or Pierschbacher developing into much are pretty slim, and we already know what Feeney, Edoga and McDermott are. For all the talk of building the line, we've spent the last three years mostly sticking veteran bandaids on it. AVT is the only shining exception.
That’s what happens when 2 of your 3 Ol draft pick investments end up severely injured in Cam Clark and Mekhi Becton.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 11, 2022, 01:55:13 PM
For all that our line desperately needed a rebuild, with Brown starting it's seriously veteran..
LT: Fant (30)
LG: Tomlinson (30)
C: McGovern (29)
RG: AVT (23)
RT: Brown (37)
We can hope that Mitchell grows into something good, but the chances of Herbig or Pierschbacher developing into much are pretty slim, and we already know what Feeney, Edoga and McDermott are. For all the talk of building the line, we've spent the last three years mostly sticking veteran bandaids on it. AVT is the only shining exception.
It's a veteran OL, but saying that Douglas has been "mostly sticking veteran bandaids on it" is very wrong.
We've been in the top 5 in offensive line spending each of the last couple years, and we are probably number 1 now.
We spent two high picks on OL (AVT, Becton). We also took two developmental linemen in the 4th round (Clark, Mitchell). We signed Fant, Tomlinson and McGovern to relatively big contracts. There have been veteran band-aids mixed in (Brown, Moses, Kalil, GVR, Feeney, etc), but we have invested a ton in this offensive line over the years.
He's been here for 3 full offseasons, and we've made multiple significant offensive line additions each year. Even the first year he was here, he gave Ryan Kalil a big deal to try to shore up IOL.
Just because guys are older doesn't mean they are bandaids. This is Fant and McGovern's 3rd year starting here. That's not a band-aid. Tomlinson is 30, but he's not a band-aid.
Post by: Johnny English on August 11, 2022, 02:01:48 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 11, 2022, 02:04:19 PM
Fant was definitely a good move that he deserves credit for, but as Libero says, we've had one draft pick that has worked out. For whatever reason, we've spent more time, effort and money repairing holes than actually rebuilding. There are at least two and possibly three positions that will need to be upgraded/replaced next offseason, and it's unlikely that anyone on the roster will be able to do that.
we're only 1 year removed from the Adam Gase years. Our draft picks and development have been excrement for the better part of the last decade.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 11, 2022, 02:05:33 PM
Fant was definitely a good move that he deserves credit for, but as Libero says, we've had one draft pick that has worked out. For whatever reason, we've spent more time, effort and money repairing holes than actually rebuilding. There are at least two and possibly three positions that will need to be upgraded/replaced next offseason, and it's unlikely that anyone on the roster will be able to do that.I have no problem if you replace the holes in the draft or free agency. It's all the same. You build teams in a 3-year window, and Fant and McGovern have both been here 3 years. Even if you draft a rookie, you only get him 4-5 years depending on the deal.
Post by: Johnny English on August 11, 2022, 02:06:15 PM
we're only 1 year removed from the Adam Gase years. Our draft picks and development have been excrement for the better part of the last decade.
100%. But part of my point is that the only reason we're kinda happy about the line at the moment is because of how abysmal the starting point was. I really wish we had a bit more youth and upside there, and it really needs to be an area of significant focus next spring.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 11, 2022, 02:09:15 PM
100%. But part of my point is that the only reason we're kinda happy about the line at the moment is because of how abysmal the starting point was. I really wish we had a bit more youth and upside there, and it really needs to be an area of significant focus next spring.It's a good offensive line on paper. And it's still a good offensive line despite losing our starting right tackle and high-upside draft pick before the season starts.
Sure, it looks better because of where we started from. And now that Becton is likely a lost cause, we definitely need to add more youth. Maybe Mitchell can be part of that youth.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 11, 2022, 04:50:35 PM
I’d wager this is 2 years to give us cap flexibility this season. At the end of the year we can cut him for x amount of dead money, ensuring Brown makes at least x dollars off this deal. We just carry a dead cap hit next year unless he’s either outstanding or retires.
I also want another OT. Body wise this gets us back to where we were last week. Edoga and/or McDermott are still rosterable right now, and I think a browns signing was initially intended to end that.
Hopefully a young guy gets cut later this summer that we can snag off waivers and rid ourselves of those two deadbeat depth positions
It's definitely this
I haven't followed much the last few months, but the Jets were basically completely out of cap space right around the draft.
The Jets may want him for two years, but I think the cap was the biggest concern
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 11, 2022, 05:57:42 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 11, 2022, 06:10:42 PM
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2022, 06:21:10 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 11, 2022, 06:30:45 PM
Cap expert dcm
Don't need to be a cap expert to realize there's a problem when a players salary is > entirety of your available cap space
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 11, 2022, 09:26:42 PM
but he was solid as fvck for us last season at LT protecting our franchise's blind side
if there truly is any credence to the writings that brown was starting to decline last year, then start whoever will protect zach better at LT. that's all we should be concerned about. if that is fant, so be it. if that bothers brown, so be it.
i hope the FO was upfront with him about that during the negotiations. you obviously throw all of the above out the window if they promised him the LT spot upfront. you do what you have to do to sign him, but i hope we were able to do that without making that promise upfront before we even line all of these guys up
Post by: dcm1602 on August 11, 2022, 09:39:31 PM
i get the thinking behind thinking that fant can be good on either side of the OL be it LT or RT
but he was solid as fvck for us last season at LT protecting our franchise's blind side
if there truly is any credence to the writings that brown was starting to decline last year, then start whoever will protect zach better at LT. that's all we should be concerned about. if that is fant, so be it. if that bothers brown, so be it.
i hope the FO was upfront with him about that during the negotiations. you obviously throw all of the above out the window if they promised him the LT spot upfront. you do what you have to do to sign him, but i hope we were able to do that without making that promise upfront before we even line all of these guys up
Is LT more important than the OL as a whole?
Obviously LT is the most important position, but if a slight downturn at LT means a huge upgrade at RT, is that not a net positive?
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 11, 2022, 10:02:00 PM
Is LT more important than the OL as a whole?
Obviously LT is the most important position, but if a slight downturn at LT means a huge upgrade at RT, is that not a net positive?
obviously whichever configuration turns out best overall for us is the most preferable. there were 2 main points i was trying to get across
1. i hope we were able to sign him while letting him know we'd be lining up however we felt was best with the team
2. i felt very solid going into the season with fant at LT after what he did for us last year. LT is checked off for us with him. personally, i feel more comfortable going in with a known/given at LT and hoping RT works itself out decently (be that brown or mitchell), versus starting brown at LT hoping he isn't on the decline as some of the reports have suggested, and hoping fant can replicate his level of play going back to RT
Post by: Heismanberg on September 10, 2022, 02:37:17 PM
Post by: Gorilla on September 10, 2022, 02:57:19 PM
https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/1568683235185672193?s=46&t=J6cY-ElOANI4d4VUNfrVUQ
Awesome!
Someone call D'Brick.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 10, 2022, 03:10:12 PM
Awesome!
Someone call D'Brick.
Someone, I think it was Zack Rosenblatt, pointed out that Brick is only one year older than Brown. It made my brain hurt.
Post by: reuben on September 10, 2022, 03:44:42 PM
Awesome!
Someone call D'Brick.
lover of the older lady missed one snap in his career. ONE SNAP. Out of 10,708. (https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/the-crazy-story-behind-d-brickashaw-ferguson-s-one-missed-snap-out-of-10-708)
I miss Brick and Nick so much.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 10, 2022, 06:56:16 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 10, 2022, 08:02:21 PM
Herrmanns called up to fight some bitches.
Hopefully it's not Micheal Clemmons again.
Post by: delavan on September 10, 2022, 09:21:26 PM
Herrmanns called up to fight some bitches.
go figure... https://twitter.com/granthermanns?lang=en
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 10, 2022, 09:28:20 PM
go figure... https://twitter.com/granthermanns?lang=en
Ew
Post by: Libero_2 on September 10, 2022, 10:25:22 PM
lover of the older lady missed one snap in his career. ONE SNAP. Out of 10,708. (https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/the-crazy-story-behind-d-brickashaw-ferguson-s-one-missed-snap-out-of-10-708)
I miss Brick and Nick so much.
And that snap was because Mangini ran a trick play
Absolutely mind blowing when you think about it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 13, 2022, 11:54:57 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2022, 12:09:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1580588889999572994
My LT
Post by: Johnny English on October 13, 2022, 01:10:28 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 13, 2022, 03:20:06 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 13, 2022, 04:38:32 PM
That thread title freaked me out for a second. Not sure if it’s a recent update or if I’m just dense enough to not notice it until now.
I definitely thought he somehow got hurt again. Can we change the title again?
Post by: Heismanberg on October 13, 2022, 04:39:27 PM
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2022, 05:02:35 PM
That thread title freaked me out for a second. Not sure if it’s a recent update or if I’m just dense enough to not notice it until now.
I definitely thought he somehow got hurt again. Can we change the title again?I had half fixed it out of spite for people bumping it with the original IR title.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 13, 2022, 05:34:12 PM
I had half fixed it out of spite for people bumping it with the original IR title.I do not have the power to change other peoples' thread titles.
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2022, 06:08:19 PM
I do not have the power to change other peoples' thread titles.The other guys
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 01:23:41 PM
Post by: Cane on March 05, 2023, 07:46:53 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 05, 2023, 07:55:44 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2023, 08:25:46 PM
I really hope the 39 year old LT coming off of a shoulder injury either stays healthy or has the good timing to injure himself during OTAs.He'll be fine
Post by: Coach K on March 05, 2023, 08:58:39 PM
It’s still happily take a tackle at 13. Brown and Becton are both basically on one year deals and I’m not entirely sure how much I trust either.This