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If you're not following @PFF_Gonzalo, check him out. Lots of Jets statistical/breakdown info.
Someone should get a message out to JFaulk too.
Someone should get a message out to JFaulk too.
I can't find him on Twitter anymore.
Yeah we're missing people, Lori Humongous and a few others.
Edit: You know who I mean.
Yeah we're missing people, Lori Humongous and a few others.
Edit: You know who I mean.
Hopefully Lori Humongous stays missing
Matt Ryan has attempted 10 deep passes on 173 attempts (5.8%). At this point last season, he had thrown 12 on 147 attempts (8.2%).
45% of Matt Ryan's passing yardage comes before the catch. One of the lowest numbers in the league - missed tackles alert. #Falcons
The #Jets defense missed 21 total tackles with Dawan Landry and Demario Davis leading with 3 each.
Damon Harrison, David Harris and Sheldon Richardson are the only players with 100+ snaps to not miss a tackle yet. #Jets
@mendezia One of the best in the league right now but there are already teams with 5 games so it's not easy to rank them.
Missed tackles haven't been an issue for the #Jets this season except in a couple of plays. Have to keep it that way tonight.
@hmmverynice It's hard to tell with some teams with 5 games, others with 4... But the Jets are one of the best in the league, around Top-5.
PFF from Gonzalo Estrade:Way to jinx it.QuoteMissed tackles haven't been an issue for the #Jets this season except in a couple of plays. Have to keep it that way tonight.
Also im not sure how this is possible but not only is Geno tied for the most completions of 15 + yards down field, but he has the highest completion % on them as well.
Which is odd because hes thrown an ugly derriere deepball
PFF from Gonzalo Estrade:Way to jinx it.QuoteMissed tackles haven't been an issue for the #Jets this season except in a couple of plays. Have to keep it that way tonight.
^ My guess is that he'll win the other two awards (rookie and GMC) as well. Good for the kid.
There used to be a circus around here, beneath a riotous green-and-white Big Top, Rex Ryan behind the wheel of one clown car, Mark Sanchez riding shotgun, Woody Johnson behind the wheel of another, chauffeuring Tim Tebow around for everyone to see.
The circus has officially left town.
In its place stands a defiant football coach and his defiant football team — the New York Football Defiants — who would relish a game with the New York Football Giants, even if it had to take place in the parking lot on New York Super Bowl Sunday with no one watching. A defiant football coach, former circus Fat Man, fighting to keep his dream job, and his defiant football team, led by a baby-faced kid quarterback starring in a sitcom we can call “I Dream of Geno,” ready and willing, if not always able, to take on all comers who wonder why Bozo has left the building. When they said they’ll be back, The Rexterminators weren’t kidding.
The Rexterminators, you may or may not recall, are a fearless army that doesn’t want to hear about any damn buttfumble, or any damn Snoopy Bowl mindlessness, or any damn ESPN rankings. Only: Who’s next? They’ll hunt you down and then bloody your nose in a Big Apple minute, and are younger and hungrier and meaner and tougher than the 0-5 zombies on the blue side of town, especially in the trenches. The NFL knows them as the New York Jets, and if you are familiar with their unfathomable history, then you certainly know better than to plan any Canyon of Heroes parade any time soon. Perhaps the Mud Bowl might ring a bell. These tortured souls haven’t won a championship since Jan. 12, 1969. Since Broadway Joe.
“It’s not like we feel like we’re King Kong,” Ryan said Tuesday.
But if you don’t think these bad boys are ready to get the monkey off their backs and dream of a playoff berth, just look around at the rest of the AFC and tell me who, other than Peyton Manning, is King Kong?
Because these are the Jets, because this is the NFL, because Geno Smith has all of five flights as the Jet pilot, you can bet there will be turbulence ahead. Any Given Sundays or Monday Nights when he can give you a 147.7 quarterback rating every bit as much as a behind-the-back dribble by the goal line. But boy, if that was a glimpse of the future Smith provided in Atlanta, then maybe there will be a future for the Rexterminators after all. “He’s the man,” Jeremy Kerley said.
Nobody, absolutely nobody, owns a crystal ball that can tell us whether Smith will ultimately find himself resting in the franchise’s endless quarterbacks graveyard that is littered with the bodies of would-be phenoms and has-beens and never-weres. It doesn’t mean he can’t be a symbol of hope for a better tomorrow, whenever that tomorrow arrives. It doesn’t mean the long-suffering Jets fan should be discouraged from singing “I Dream of Geno” at the top of his or her long-suffering lungs. It should not be lost on anyone that in his sixth NFL start, Mark Sanchez endured a five-interception nightmare.
On the other end of the spectrum, Eli Manning was 0-5 (sound familiar?) in his first five starts, completing 55-of-124 passes with three touchdowns and seven interceptions. Peyton Manning was 1-4 after five starts with four TDs and 12 INTs.
The expectations for I Dream of Geno should be tempered also because of the dearth of playmakers around him. But he can sure sling that rock when he is made comfortable by Marty Mornhinweg. And if the growing pains continue to subside, then we may have a football season around here after all. Season’s greetings from the Rexterminators. I Dream of Geno should be the quarterback for the rest of the season, the boy leader of the remorseless Rexterminators, who don’t care whether you like them or not, who don’t care about style points or Winning Ugly. Because in the NFL, the face of a clown is much, much uglier.
Barnes out for the year.
Steiny was blowing his load on ricky sapp coming back. At the expense of an actual nfl player in Barnes.
It's obviously threadworthy though.
http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php?topic=84.0
Rich Cimini @RichCimininow
Milliner leaves to work with trainer on side. Jarrett off to side. No Kenrick Ellis. #Jets
Brian Costello
Gates has his left arm in a sling
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Brian Costello[/size]Powell has a shoulder injury. Gates shoulder injury. Goodson knee.
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In before hawk shows up and complains about us releasing Ryan Spadola.
I wouldnt be surprised if hes a Jet this week
No Holmes + Goodson/Gates both seem unlikely were gonna need to bring in a few offensive players
Miami signed him to their practice squad
Miami signed him to their practice squad
All the early reports (aka 'rumors') do not look good for Goodson. freaking A
In before hawk shows up and complains about us releasing Ryan Spadola.
Just curious, at what point have I complained that he was released?
Here's a good opportunity to try and get their userbase over to our message board.
And then ban them for being idiots.
I don't think this site will ever grow because everyone is so anti-newcomers.
Admission to this select club shouldn't be easy. If they can't weather the storm they shouldn't stay. We are elite douchebags.
That is what I strive to be when I wake up in the morning. Each day I'm looking for new ways to be a better and more elite level douchebag
I don't think this site will ever grow because everyone is so anti-newcomers.
Have we ever actually had a newcomer ?
Holmes semi-jokingly told the media that they were interrupting his rehab.
When I say semi-jokingly, I mean somewhere around 20%. The other 80% was serious, because it's true.
Did you see the hissy fit the writers threw over it? "Wahhhhh, Holmes is upset because we made him leave treatment for 10 minutes to answer absolutely nothing because what is he actually going to say!?"Here's the usual chain lately:
The Jets beat is a big ol' bag o' dicks.
I agree with this completely. Being a dick to people is not something that should be worn like a badge of honour.
I think the issue is less whether any newcomer to the site is capable of taking excrement, and more whether they can be bothered to. Why would you stick around a site if the first time you post anything you get a bunch of grief from the gobshites on there competing to demonstrate how much more they know than you do? (I'm obviously speaking hypothetically here, and not for a moment suggesting that anyone here would actually do that.)No newcomer is getting excrement without reason.
I dunno. I distinctly remember MB talking down to a newcomer on YDKF because he only had a few posts and didn't deserve to have his opinion taken seriously.Like I'm going to listen to some bundle of sticks who doesn't even have 400 posts. Get on my level.
Here's the usual chain lately:
Player complains about or ignores media requirements > Beat writers "call out" players on it > Jets fans unanimously inform them they don't give a excrement > Beat writers blubber "but those are the rules!"
Like I'm going to listen to some bundle of sticks who doesn't even have 400 posts. Get on my level.
I dunno. I distinctly remember MB talking down to a newcomer on YDKF because he only had a few posts and didn't deserve to have his opinion taken seriously.
I dunno. I distinctly remember MB talking down to a newcomer on YDKF because he only had a few posts and didn't deserve to have his opinion taken seriously.
I'm intimidated by your meanness. You are not letting me flourish.
I just read from an unreliable unsourceable source that jets are one of the 3 teams that made an offer on josh Gordon. anyone hear anything?
Nope but after this last weeks poor performance I hope he is much cheaper than before...
I'm not against newcomers, I just don't want to deal with throngs of idiots overreacting to everything that happens and clogging up the board with that nonsense. That and the people who troll everyone with their agenda about hating this guy or that guy when he's still on the team, or people like champ with their gloom and doom just for the sake of being a jackass.
I just like a handful of Jet fans to talk about what's going on, I don't care how many of how new.
Incarcerated Bob was the original source 11 hours ago...
freak off.So... old.
Well the aids infested fuckhead who suggested that we were going to trade for Kyle Wilson no longer has a twitterWhat was the the trade? 2010 1st round draft pick?
Safe to say anything he posted was bullshit
From: @HubbuchNYP
Sent: Oct 24, 2013 8:55a
NYC SB chair Al Kelly jokes "a couple of idiots" won't dress properly. Fox's Pam Oliver, who is hosting this, says: "Probably Jets fans."
From: @HubbuchNYP
Sent: Oct 24, 2013 9:08a
Pam Oliver says "I'm from the South," asks Woody and Tisch how they think they can get New Yorkers to "be polite, be nice." Crowd groans.
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Santonio Holmes is working with the wide receivers, running routes and catching balls. Definitely a positive sign. #Jets
Gary Myers@garymyersNYDN1h
Woody says he will have announcement on Rex Ryan's future as coach after the season. He's happy with Ryan-Idzik dynamic
the hell?
Jets owner Woody Johnson didn’t delve too deeply into the future of his head coach, but after an offseason that felt like an inevitable final act for Rex Ryan, Johnson was openly supportive after a surprising 4-3 start.
“We’re happy with Rex,” Johnson said, via Gary Myers of the New York Daily News. “Coaches have to be good teachers and good leaders and I think he’s both.”
Johnson said he’d reserve comment on Ryan’s future with the team until after the season. Much could change between now and then, but at the moment, Ryan has the Jets playing far above expectations, after an overtime win over their division rival Patriots.
Ryan’s contract runs through the 2014 season, meaning they’ll have to make a call this offseason to avoid the always awkward lame duck season.
“I will make a statement after the season,” Johnson said. “I never make any comments regarding contracts during the season.”
Asked if he anticipated keeping Ryan, Johnson replied: “I don’t make any statements like that. The only thing I’ll say is I’m happy with him. I think he’s a great teacher, a good teacher, maybe a great teacher and a good leader.”
There’s no point in, or incentive for Johnson declaring his undying love for Ryan at the moment. As well as they’ve played, there’s still a possibility things could go wrong, and with a new General Manager, there’s no security for anyone who predated John Idzik’s arrival.
NFL reporter angers crowd with Jets, Giants insults
By Bart Hubbuch
October 24, 2013 | 1:29pm
If this is how Pam Oliver works a room, she might want to stick to sideline reporting.
The Fox Sports NFL reporter flopped as host of a New York-New Jersey Super Bowl breakfast for regional business leaders Thursday, drawing gasps, groans and more than a few boos for her odd and insulting comments during a roundtable with owners of the Jets and Giants.
Oliver surprised and angered the crowd by alternately ridiculing Jets fans, coach Rex Ryan, the Giants’ current woes and New Yorkers in general during the 30-minute session.
The Times Square breakfast for roughly 50 area business executives was sponsored by the Association for a Better New York.
When Al Kelly, chairman of the New York-New Jersey Super Bowl Committee, was asked by Oliver how the committee would make sure people dressed appropriately for an outdoor game in February, he said there would probably be “a couple of idiots” who wouldn’t do so.
“Probably Jets fans,” Oliver said, prompting groans.
Oliver later showed her apparent ignorance of the Jets’ surprising 4-3 start by asking team owner Woody Johnson: “How does Rex [Ryan] keep his job?”
The 1-6 Giants weren’t spared, either. Oliver asked one of the team’s owners, Jonathan Tisch, to explain “what in the hell is the matter with the Giants?”
The most insulting comment from Oliver, however, was reserved for New Yorkers as a whole.
The crowd roared when she ask the team owners and Kelly how they planned “to instruct people of this area, particularly New Yorkers, to be nice? To say ‘please,’ ‘thank you’ and ‘I’ll get that’?”
Oliver quickly qualified that by saying, “I’m sorry — I’m from the South.”
But Tisch wasn’t pleased.
“I’m from New York City, and I take exception with that,” Tisch said. “New Yorkers are unbelievably hospitable.”
Oliver suffered a concussion before a game earlier this year when she was hit in the head by a football.
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Hubbuch article:
New York Post (http://nypost.com/2013/10/24/pam-olivers-jets-giants-insults-upset-crowd/)
I like how they try and play it off like her getting a concussion 3 months ago is the cause of her idiocy.
I didn't take it that way, more like "this was very stupid and the sort of thing a concussed person would do."
Oh so you think they were simply clarifying she was concussed but isn't currently?I think it was included to mock her.
Wilkerson won his appeal of the fine for the hit on Locker.
Did anyone make a gif of that?
Rich Eisen @richeisen 2m
In last 70 years, only one NFL coach has ever had to start two rookie QBs in 5 year span for at least 7 games. And that's Rex Ryan. Tune in.
And he still has a winning record with both.
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Geno should bulk up! I don't like Smith his arms are too small...
I'm worried that they're too long.
http://nypost.com/2013/10/31/jets-defensive-coordinator-jokes-about-bengals-loss/ (http://nypost.com/2013/10/31/jets-defensive-coordinator-jokes-about-bengals-loss/)
CB Antonio Cromartie, who has been struggling this year after having the best season of his career in 2012, refused to speak to reporters, as required by league rule. When a team official asked him to be available for a couple minutes, citing the league policy, Cromartie barked, I dont have to. [Beep] that policy.
Bahaha.
I want to see Holmes and Cromartie do a joint press conference where they both just stand there and not answer any questions asked of them. Maybe answer every question with movie quotes or song lyrics.
Jason Owen @Jason_Owen 7h
Back in the good old days when @Revis24 played for a team that mattered. Wonder if 12MM per and Rex as coach has any merit vs Schaino & 16MM
Darrelle Revis @Revis24 4h
@Jason_Owen naw 16 is better
Haha of course $16 million is better. This is the NFL. He can get hurt for good at any time, and a team can become really good at anytime.I still hope TB isn't good for the next 6 years.
Tampa will offload him and he'll be back with the Jets at 13 per season next year, you read here first
Milliner made some great plays yesterday. In fact, pretty much everyone in the secondary made some great plays yesterday (as well as a handful of crappy ones).
The Jaguars finally waived Dwight Lowery after he proved that he was healthy.Interesting. Where would he fit into our safety rotation?
Might be a nice add...
Interesting. Where would he fit into our safety rotation?
The Jaguars finally waived Dwight Lowery after he proved that he was healthy.
Might be a nice add...
He's definitely a better coverage safety than anyone we have. I think he'd be a nice role player on passing downs.That was my thinking as well, not crazy about Allen (needs more experience) or Landry (seems crucial to guiding the D) losing snaps. But I'd be excited about Lowery-Allen going forward. He's only 27.
Not a big fan of taking Antonio Allen off the field, but it might be necessary in certain situations.
Why would they cut him? They're the worst roster in the league.
That was my thinking as well, not crazy about Allen (needs more experience) or Landry (seems crucial to guiding the D) losing snaps. But I'd be excited about Lowery-Allen going forward. He's only 27.
I really think we have a longterm contributor in him. ...seventh round steal.
Allen's the one who everyone loved in college, but come draft day no-one could figure out whether he could transition from the SPUR role into a more traditional safety role, right?
Allen's the one who everyone loved in college, but come draft day no-one could figure out whether he could transition from the SPUR role into a more traditional safety role, right?
You don't really have any idea whether he is or not, do you?
no
Good ole Tommy.
We keep him around to make you and me look knowledgeable.
no
Ha. I like taking bits and pieces of what everyone says on here and dish them out around the office. Makes me sound like a very informative fan.
Ha. I like taking bits and pieces of what everyone says on here and dish them out around the office. Makes me sound like a very informative fan.
No idea how you that badge (or any of the other excrement you dig up from the far reaches of the universe) but good find!
He browses redditMy deep dark secret
My deep dark secret
That was one an incredibly dumb decision, but it sounds like it was more John Idzik than anything else.It would have been a lot worse if we were a 1 or 2 win team right now.
No big deal though.
That was one an incredibly dumb decision, but it sounds like it was more John Idzik than anything else.
No big deal though.
If that happened in 2012, I would agree with you. This season? Sanchez was hardly the be-all-end-all.
He certainly wasn't, but he was the winner of the QB competition and if he struggled early, Smith would go in.
You don't understand the value of a QB sitting and learning because you try to compare a game like this to real world experience. It's completely different.
Smith is making the mistakes because the game is moving to fast for him. Most of his INTs are late throws. Sitting and learning from the bench and in practice (outside looking in) really helps a lot of young players.
Would you say that being out there too early hurts more than it helps?
It can, especially when that player doesn't have the best talent around him.
Smith seems to handle it well, at least.
At least he seems to have a competent OL. I'd say that is the biggest deal breaker for rookies. If Sanchez had the kind of time Geno gets, who knows.
The OLine during Sanchez's first two seasons was great. Damien Woody retiring and the Jets switching from a zone to a man blocking scheme helped freak that up.
Precisely. Sanchez still made some mind numbing bad throws, but when he had protection in his first two years he could win games.
I think he would be great with this OL and defense. It's a shame we'll likely never get to see it.
At least he seems to have a competent OL. I'd say that is the biggest deal breaker for rookies. If Sanchez had the kind of time Geno gets, who knows.
The same could have been said about Sanchez.I saw a lot more of Sanchez getting killed right after the snap. Not that he wasn't at fault for other sacks where he held on to it for too long, but I don't see Smith have too many snaps where he's fucked right off the bat.
And Mark wasn't making plays with his feet like Geno has been.
I saw a lot more of Sanchez getting killed right after the snap. Not that he wasn't at fault for other sacks where he held on to it for too long, but I don't see Smith have too many snaps where he's fucked right off the bat.
Overall I definitely think we have a better OL than we had for the previous two seasons.
I'm not sure what you find so impressive about our o-line this year. Our quarterback has been sacked 30 times (3rd most in the NFL) and PFF ranks us as the worst run-blocking line in the league. Aside from Austin Howard, everybody is having a bad year, even Brick and Mangold. I trust Winters will improve, Mangold and Brick will return to form, and the line will gel as a unit in the future, but thus far, that hasn't happened.
Wayne Hunter excluded, Mark Sanchez did a lot to make talented linemen look bad. He'd be getting crushed behind this year's line.
Our o-line has been terrible, especially Winters.
I'm sure you know this, but he's a rookie learning a new position on the OL. Mistakes are going to happen, and most of them are mental with the pass protection.
Winters has enough physical ability to be a strong player on the line for years. And he's made some excellent blocks, especially as a pulling guard so far this year.
It will get better.
Absolutely, totally agree, I trust his upside and his development. But this year he's been passable at his best, brutal at his worst.
Bart Hubbuch @HubbuchNYP 10m
EXCLUSIVE: Darrelle Revis rips "bitter" Jets fans for death threats and harassment, says they need to "let it go." http://bit.ly/17kILe6 (http://bit.ly/17kILe6)
Bart Hubbuch @HubbuchNYP 10m
EXCLUSIVE: Darrelle Revis rips "bitter" Jets fans for death threats and harassment, says they need to "let it go." http://bit.ly/17kILe6
What kinds if losers are actually sending him death treats?
Geiger for cutting his allowance
In the summer I visited Jets camp in Cortland, N.Y., and spent a few minutes with Rex Ryan after practice. I thought, like everyone else in football America, that Ryan was on his farewell tour with the Jets. I’d been around him enough to know that he was a relentless optimist, and I said to him that, even though the horizon looked dark, he could always take solace in the fact that he was going to survive at least five years as a head coach in the cauldron of New York professional sports.
“You know,” he said, “I never came here for the security of the job. I never came here to survive. I came here to win. And this year, well, we’ll see. I hear what people are saying. I know we are more talented than people give us credit for. I have been around long enough to know what a good team looks like. So we’ll see. We will work our derriere off to get things done. We’ll see.”
Don't care, got cap space.
and Shellz
I wonder if we still would have took Milliner if the Revis trade never happened. If we drafted according to the board, i'd imagine Milliner was the higher prospect
In case you missed it, good piece on Rex from Peter King.
Full article: http://mmqb.si.com/2013/11/12/rex-isnt-done-far-from-it/
Former Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis added levity to the situation when he raised his hand and declared that he wanted to play receiver.
He heard WRs get paid more.
Edit: According to Spotrac that's not true this year. 3 CBs have a bigger cap hit than the biggest WR hit.
Fun fact: Santonio Holmes has a bigger cap hit than Calvin Johnson this year.
He heard WRs get paid more.
Edit: According to Spotrac that's not true this year. 3 CBs have a bigger cap hit than the biggest WR hit.
Fun fact: Santonio Holmes has a bigger cap hit than Calvin Johnson this year.
Next year doesn't Calvin have the biggest cap hit of all time for a non-QB? Also since tone will be lucky to have a 4 mill contract next year, it will be awfully different in 5 monthsNext years numbers are quite different, there will be a few more WRs over the top CB.
Jets showing interest in Ed Reed per Cimini.
Lord knows we need secondary help but is a 35 year old Ed Reed going to help? Any chance Rex can get more from him than the Texans?
Reed won't play if he can't play at a high level. If the Jets sign him, it will be for the vet minimum.
Bring him in and use him as a mentor/player coach for the young guys that we have. He should have a pretty good understanding on the scheme. Having him around can't hurt.
By the way, if you guys didn't know...Well freak, now I really hope it doesn't happen.
According to Nick Spano, Nick Spano called this years ago.
Is anyone expecting Ed Reed to actually play for the vet minimum ?
It just doesnt make sense to me
Do you know how much money he made in Houston? The dude made over $5 million and played in 5 games.
Reed got his final pay day.
Cromartie/Millner/Wilson/Allen/Reed?
Sign me up. Nothing against our other safeties, but that is an upgrade to our current secondary, no question (other than Reed's health) about it.
Landy would move to his natural position at SS and Allen to the bench
Him and Reed did play together for 5 years too
Reed would not be an every down player.
Why not? He certainly won't make our secondary worse.I hate that it would take Allen off the field. The more he plays, the better. I understand the mentoring aspect, but I think he'd just retire if he isn't going to play much.
I hate that it would take Allen off the field. The more he plays, the better. I understand the mentoring aspect, but I think he'd just retire if he isn't going to play much.
I just don't see the Jets signing him.
@mortreport:
2013-11-14 12:41:41 UTC
Ed Reed's options included the Jets (possibly) but not the Patriots, Ravens or Colts. Not sure about Saints. As of late last night.
That's not to say we're going after him. They just haven't ruled it out yet.
This team needs a veteran like him in the defensive backfield.
You put him in a film room with Dee Milliner and Antonio Allen, and it makes them better players.
I don't think players can become ballhawks. I think it's a rare ability - you don't just find defensive backs with those kind of ball skills. I will say this though, Ed Reed prepares his derriere off to be in those spots to make plays. The difference between him and most defensive backs in the game, is that he capitalized on those mistakes better than just about anybody that ever played the position.
Salas is not going anywhere. My money is on Reuland.
Our TE situation is pretty shaky though. Winslow is a man of glass, so having a third tight end makes plenty of sense.
One of the receivers needs to go if Holmes is back.
So he's still good at throwing screens?Da greatest!
So he's still good at throwing screens?
One of the most notable changes in the offense this year, IMO. Sanchez was terrible at throwing screen passes.
For Steiny, the Ed Reed signing/Sapp release had to be like getting near full release watching a Jenna Jameson porno and then it cuts out to Oprah at the last second.
I don't remember using the wide receiver screen (bubble or tunnel) much with Schottenheimer.
The screen game was better with LaDainian Tomlinson -- a true receiving back -- was here.
Greene is an awful receiver.
Steiny got shouted out by Chris Mortensen on Twitter today. That's the pinnacle of his career right there. I would say he's pretty happy.
I imagine Steiny sucks these nobody players dicks and those end up being his sources. Sapp probably was told he was getting cut and then the reason why, and then told Steiny.
You know, I hadn't even thought about it that way, but that actually sounds plausible.
Blowing players or the 2nd part?
If you get snipped, do you still cum?
If you get snipped, do you still cum?
You should guinea pig yourself. I can't picture you having kids anyway. They require selflessness.
Haha. Being a father requires selflessness. Any jerk can have kids.
For Steiny, the Ed Reed signing/Sapp release had to be like getting near full release watching a Jenna Jameson porno and then it cuts out to Oprah at the last second.
It isn’t often that Geno Smith makes a quick pass with a release of 1.5 seconds or fewer
You should guinea pig yourself. I can't picture you having kids anyway. They require selflessness.
Having a wife requires selflessness too. Am I less selfless for not having a kid?Well you did just make the conversation all about yourself.
Queue Oprah at 1.6 seconds.*Cue
*Cue
If you get snipped, do you still cum?Your splooge goes backwards into your own butthole.
If you get snipped, do you still cum?
Of course. It actually makes it even more pleasurable by severing the nerve endings that are associated with pain centers in your brain, leaving only the ones connected to the "reward centers" in your brain.
So wait it makes you fap even more?
But if you get a prostatectomy, you don't shoot anything at all.
So wait it makes you fap even more?
People.
Yes. Try it with Flex-All.
Jets prep for Bills with Dave & Buster’s trip
According to a source, Rex Ryan canceled the team’s normal pregame offensive and defensive meetings and the team went to “Dave & Buster’s,” the chain arcade/restaurant a few miles from the team’s hotel.
It is highly unusual for a team to skip their preparation the night before a game and could be perceived as a lack of respect for the Bills. Ryan still conducted the full team meeting where he gives his motivational talk, but the team skipped its final game-planning sessions.
Yeah I'm sure no one has ever had a team dinner the night before a game.
If they won today everyone would be talking about a great team bonding experience.
Yeah I'm sure no one has ever had a team dinner the night before a game.
If they won today everyone would be talking about a great team bonding experience.
Completely skipping the meetings seems like a dumb freaking moves.
This story proves that it's not something we should just sweep under the rug and ignore.
Let's just pretend that the D&B trip is why they lost the game. If so, what does that have to do with the bye week?
It's like those guys who come back to work the day after a weeklong vacation 10lbs overweight and lazy as hell. Maybe he's way too easy on the team during the Bye week, and even with himself. They all lose a step or two, the coaching staff and players. They're definitely connected.
So you're saying if they should implement the bizzy diet on bye weeks?
Here's the solution for next year: totally eliminate the issue by hiring a team of convicts to prepare for and play against during the bye week.
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Worked for the Dillos.
freak that I don't need to see Hernandez light us up for 150 again.
Let's just pretend that the D&B trip is why they lost the game. If so, what does that have to do with the bye week?
FWIW, I just read somewhere that Rex has the longest un-streak in NFL history.
I don't know what that meansLongest streak of alternate W-L.
Longest streak of alternate W-L.
It's like those guys who come back to work the day after a weeklong vacation 10lbs overweight and lazy as hell. Maybe he's way too easy on the team during the Bye week, and even with himself. They all lose a step or two, the coaching staff and players. They're definitely connected.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 28m
Stephen Hill has 0 catches in the Jets' last 2 games. #nyj
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 28m
Stephen Hill has 0 catches in the Jets' last 2 games. #nyj
Yeah, If Hill could make a play on any of those ball that were thrown over his head and out of bounds.
He clearly has been left out of the gameplay lately, today he was targeted finally, but Geno didn't get a pass within a mile of him
We don't know what the game plan is. Smith is so late on throws, that we just don't know if he is missing opportunities. Maybe someone that has game rewind with coach's tape can check it out.
I'm still pissed about that retarded special teams penalty. The game spiraled out of control after that point
The team sucked as a whole. As previously mentioned, this is the same type of performance we had in Tennessee and cinci (also road games , FYI). All those losses had a lot to them then just shitty quarterback play.
The defense looked lowsy in all those games, particularly the secondary. Pass protection has also not been good. It was awful today.
The way we're built, games can spiral out of control quickly. We don't have an elite secondary, our pass protection fluctuates and we have limited weapons with a rookie QB. If we don't play with the lead or keep it close , we're basically fucked.
In defense of Stephen Hill...
I once heard it said that long runs (20 yards plus) only happen with excellent wide receiver blocking. That might be an oversimplification, but if you watch the replays on nfl.com or wherever, you'll see Stephen Hill blocking his man into oblivion on just about every big run we've had this season.
Zero catches in the month of November sucks any way you slice it, but I do appreciate the blocking.
I still believe there is top tier potential in Hill. Give him a QB that can throw to him first.
You can't blame the offensive line today.
In defense of Stephen Hill...
I once heard it said that long runs (20 yards plus) only happen with excellent wide receiver blocking. That might be an oversimplification, but if you watch the replays on nfl.com or wherever, you'll see Stephen Hill blocking his man into oblivion on just about every big run we've had this season.
Zero catches in the month of November sucks any way you slice it, but I do appreciate the blocking.
I was never high on Hill. He's leaving little to be desired. One catch in 4 games in this era of the NFL is easy to do when you play the majority of the snaps. He's not getting it done.
Smith missed him at least three times today horribly.
Why does Geno get so much leeway for not having weapons to help him out while a raw development project at WR gets no credit for playing with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith?
No chance that's stunting his growth at all?
that gives me a great idea lets get an awesome qb
what you guys think?
that gives me a great idea lets get an awesome qb
what you guys think?
Geez I thought I was asking too much by just wanting to see mediocre QB play.you'll get a shitty one and like it!
you'll get a shitty one and like it!
that gives me a great idea lets get an awesome qb
what you guys think?
I mean, it's so easy. All we have to do is draft any one of the top prospects in the 2014, and we'll be set forever.
Technically, this is mostly right.
Decline of Mangold
It’s always sad when elite players look to have lost a step. Nick Mangold (-3.0) has missed some blocks in the run game that he’d have never missed last year. After grading as our sixth-best center in 2012, he’s slipped to fourth-worst, particularly struggling in the run game. And, while his pass protection has actually improved (+3.0 allowing only a hit and 11 hurries), he still graded negatively in that aspect of his play in this game. He allowed two hurries on 35 drop-backs with the low point coming with 5:24 to play in the third quarter when Marcel Dareus beat him to his left for a quick pressure.
In the run game he allowed a pair of tackles around the line of scrimmage and would have given up another but for a missed tackle by Alan Branch. Dareus really manhandled Mangold with 1:05 to play in the second quarter when he was able to shed him on a run to the right and make the tackle after a gain of just a yard. The All-Pro has now graded in the red (-1.0 or worse) in six of 10 games.
@PFF_Gonzalo: In the last 3 games, the #Jets were targeted deep in 15.6% of the throws, allowed 383 yards in 9 catches with an Accuracy % of 76.5%.
Damn you Geno! Why can't you cover better?
That's on Rex Ryan, and he even admitted that it was stupid to put the corners on an island.
Milliner needs safety help over the top.
You keep acting like everyone is blaming only Geno for this team's problems. He isn't the only problem, just the biggest one.
From PFF:
Playing next to two new guards probably doesn't help him.
He's clearly not the unanimous #1 center in the league any more, but he's better than his numbers still.
Blockbuster Trade -
Coples, Sanchez, Geno, Milliner and Wilson for the #1 pick in the 2014 draft
Draft a QB
Thoughts?
From a NYJ fan page on Facebook:
My god...
I was just thinking about this in a different thread, and I have no idea if it adds up, but regarding Puck's post of PFF's take on Mangold: could part of the problem be a lack of respect for our passing game allowing defenders to cheat against the run?
From a NYJ fan page on Facebook:
My god...
From a NYJ fan page on Facebook:
My god...
From a NYJ fan page on Facebook:
My god...
Wasnt there someone on here who wanted us to trade up for a QB, and do whatever it takes
I wouldn't mind trading up for a quarterback.
I just think that trade offer proposed is literally one of the most retarded things I've ever seen.
I think this QB draft class is very overrated. Best all around prospect is Bridgewater. After that.. meh.
hahahahahaAJ McCarron sucks
AJ McCarron sucks
Furlong'dAs far as im concerned the guy has two things going for him: mechanics and his mobility. Everything else is pretty average at best. He may run a 'pro-style' offense but three quarters of his throws are to the flat or to the tailback on a bootleg.
his mobility.
He may run a 'pro-style' offense but three quarters of his throws are to the flat or to the tailback on a bootleg.
He's a good fit for a West Coast offense but no way do I see him as a franchise/top-flight QB. I understand you've got a crush on him now so you'll parade him around and try and sell the sheep on AJ as #1 option at QB in 2014.
He's a third rounder who will probably sneak into the second after an Alabama championship bid.
Mobility in the sense that he has good footwork, throws well on the run, and is quick to move in and out of the pocket. The same way Sanchez had good mobility. He was never known as a running QB but had the ability to escape pressure and go upfield (when not sacked bc of his terrible awareness of pressure)
Shame on him for playing within the offense.
The dude has 177 completions and 33 of them are two his running backs. But please tell me more about how 75% of his throws are to his backs.
Wrong.. I said 75% of his throws are to the flat OR to underneath routes and checkdowns to the RB/TE on a bootleg. He rarely throws downfield.
but three quarters of his throws are to the flat or to the tailback on a bootleg.
Still wrong. Alabama tight ends have 20 total receptions.When I say throwing to the flats do you understand what that means?
And this is what you said:
I ask again: how many times have you see him play?
When I say throwing to the flats do you understand what that means?
I'm not sure what it means either. Please explain. Thanks.
It's when you go out in the salt flats of eastern New Mexico and throw the ball to your receivers.
Simply put, Smith is putting up better statistics
Comparing Sanchez's first year with Geno's:
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/11/19/5121844/i-stand-with-geno-smith
False.
Scott Salmon doesn't want to be wrong about Geno Smith.
Speaking of not wanting to be wrong, I wonder if Anthony Becht still thinks the Giants preseason game was a positive display of good signs for Smith.
That entire conclusion section just pissed me off.
"He went to West Virginia, so he is the best"
Actual Becht quote:
"Geno Smith's performance was one of most accurate I've seen a QB in NY since Chad Pennington"
16/30 for 199 yards with 1 TD and 3 INTs
What was that the Pats game week 2? Because freak that excrement
Preseason Week 3 vs the Giants. freak that excrement as well.
Preseason Week 3 vs the Giants. freak that excrement as well.
Heismanberg mentioned the front 7 turning on the secondary and I noticed that too. I also noticed the defense turning on Smith. Pace actually compared Geno to Sanchez.
The receivers haven't turned on him yet though. According to Manish, the WRs decided as a group to approach Smith this week and tell him they've got his back and they took some responsibility for the poor passing game.
I'm starting to worry that this is turning into a locker room at war again. And they can't blame Holmes this time.
Holmes seems to be behind Smith. He's always near him on the sidelines. Things could be a lot worse. He's the only receiver good enough to call Smith out, and I doubt he will.
If the defense turns on Smith, that's on Rex Ryan.
I don't disagree with any of that. Still, I'd be pissed off if I were on defense playing my derriere off every week just to watch this kid throw balls to the wrong jersey repeatedly. The Jets have the second-most opposing drives starting within their own 35 in the league. The best units are going to surrender points with that short a field.
I've made multiple comments about how it must feel for our defense...they don't have much of a shot in must situations Smith puts them in.
But Ryan (and Idzik) can't let these players make comments like this to the media. It's a way to stir up trouble again. This season has a great chance at ending in a disappointing fashion. We don't need another Hunter-Holmes type situation.
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27. New York Jets: -33.4 (25)
Stud: It’s hard to pick on a line that hasn’t coped with teams keying in on it’s run game. At least Austin Howard (+5.7) has handled his business in pass protection.
Dud: The left guard spot has proved to be a problem all year. Brian Winters (-13.1) has struggled with four negative grades on the bounce.
Summary: This line used to be the best in the business. It’s not now. They do a good job of giving their quarterback time, but they don’t do a good job of opening up the kind of running lanes their backs need on a consistent basis.
I actually thought they've done a better job of opening up running lanes as opposed to giving the QB time.
I won't knock the line until the QB and receivers do at least a reasonable job of forcing defenses to not load 8+ in the box.
That's a good point. Until they can make a team pay for it, they can keep overloading the box.
That's a good point. Until they can make a team pay for it, they can keep overloading the box.
It's early in the process for deciding who's heading to the Pro Bowl, but four Jets are in the top 10 at their respective positions with voting numbers released this week.
Four-time Pro Bowler Nick Mangold has received 98,448 votes so far, good for third among centers (Seahawks C Max Unger leads the way with 112,168 votes).
@jayfeely: I feel same way about some sports writers RT @BobGlauber Geno Smith should get the start, but if he struggles again, he should get the hook
"This year’s Pro Bowl will not have AFC and NFC teams. It's the first-ever 'unconferenced' games. The two squads of mixed players will be selected on Jan. 22," Raanan wrote.
I did not know this. From the article I linked before:
The biggest problem with the Pro Bowl is the timing of it. The only people who give a excrement about football by that point are the players and fans of two teams.
12.2 million watched it last year.
So about half as many people as watch football on a regular Sunday, despite the fact that it features most of the best players in the league.
Obviously it's going to be a shitty product for big-time fans like us, but enough people watch it to warrant keeping it around.
I really think you all need to stop talking about Jay Cutler. It's not going to happen.
I really think you all need to stop talking about Jay Cutler. It's not going to happen.
In all honesty, I'm more using Cutler as a placeholder. Obviously, Cutler is my first choice, but there are other options. McCown is someone Heismanberg has brought up. It may be less likely now that RG3 is struggling, but trading for Cousins is another option. As much as I wouldn't be happy about it, Vick is yet another.
What I'm basically saying is that there is a choice to be made: acquire a capable QB via FA or trade, or finally go into true rebuild mode with Geno, Simms, and a draft pick.
I personally prefer going all-in now while this defensive front is young. The money will be there next year sans Holmes and Sanchez.
Agreed.
Idzik is not a guy who goes out and spends 14 mil on a QB in free agency.
He's going to stick to his plan...draft, build the team progressively and resign his successful picks early.
I don't think Idzik is surprised Geno is sucking right now. He knows he inherited a dogshit offense.....which is why he's not quick to pull the plug on him yet. He's gonna spend incremental amounts in FA to fill the many holes we have, but i wouldn't be surprised if we still have a very large chunk of cap space over. I don't see Idzik as a guy who goes crazy in FA till AFTER he has most of the holes filled. Like the Seahawks did this past year with Avril and Harvin
You do know that Seattle wasn't Idzik's strategy, right? He was a senior administrator who negotiated contracts and oversaw the department that booked the players' flights and hotels.
Oh, that's all he did right?
It doesn't matter if he wasn't the central figure there. He worked within the organization and along side those guys for a long time and they created an extremely successful blueprint that is conducive to sustainable winning. He's already adopting some of the similar approaches the Seahawks have used in the past few years.
You do know that Seattle wasn't Idzik's strategy, right? He was a senior administrator who negotiated contracts and oversaw the department that booked the players' flights and hotels.
In addition to all this coaching carousel talk, Seattle stands to lose a central figure in their front office, VP of Football Operations, John Idzik, as he interviews with the Jets for their vacant GM position for a 2nd time today. Idzik, from what I understand, has been an integral piece of Seattle's rebuild and the man behind the salary cap management over the past few years.
The Seahawks lose a key member of their front office with this hire, and the main figure behind Seattle's excellently-structured and forward looking salary cap.
I think you need to determine your preferred strategy - "anyone but Geno or Sanchez" is a reasonable desire but not an actual strategy.
Signing excrement free agents and drafting bad quarterbacks?
OK, but Vick or McCown are very different propositions to Cutler or Cousins. The former two would probably expect to be backups at this point in their careers, whereas Cutler and Cousins are unlikely to want to go anywhere they're not going to start. I think you need to determine your preferred strategy - "anyone but Geno or Sanchez" is a reasonable desire but not an actual strategy.
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From a Seahawks site before he was hired by the Jets:
And then after he was hired:
I have yet to see an official statement from any sports team that says, "Joe Bloggs is moving on to such and such a team. No moves will be made to replace him as he has spent the last four years reading Facebook, applying for other jobs and playing golf three times a week, and as such won't be missed."
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Oh excrement I think I photoshopped that back on TGGhttp://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=67389
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Nm I could have sworn that was me
I'd like to believe that bringing in a proven vet at QB and signing a WR or two could make this offense watchable again. Hopefully Brick and Mangold can get healthy and get back to playing at a high level, and Winters will develop as well. I'm 100% on board with using our 1st round pick on a QB next year if one is there that we really like (even trading up if needed), and I don't think that should necessarily preclude us from signing a vet as well. It really depends what we would have to spend. You hate to see us get right back into a shitty cap situation, but QB is the position where it is worth taking that risk.
The one spot that you make the big spalsh if you can afford it is at QB.
I'm not sure how you can say that when it never actually happens, sans Peyton Manning's bizarro situation.
Franchise QBs never hit the open market. It just doesn't happen. Chicago will franchise Cutler and trade him if they don't see him as a long term answer. They won't get stuck without real compensation.
Drew Brees is the only other example and that was because there was major concerns about his throwing shoulder. Every other legit QB in the league has either been drafted or acquired via trade. You don't get franchise QBs in free agency
freak you I do it in Madden all the time
I'm not sure how you can say that when it never actually happens, sans Peyton Manning's bizarro situation.
Franchise QBs never hit the open market. It just doesn't happen. Chicago will franchise Cutler and trade him if they don't see him as a long term answer. They won't get stuck without real compensation.
Drew Brees is the only other example and that was because there was major concerns about his throwing shoulder. Every other legit QB in the league has either been drafted or acquired via trade. You don't get franchise QBs in free agency
No I think I did make it actually. JC only cropped and resized my original work IIRC from the ESPN thread
You and JE
Do we have a ticket forum in here? I'm looking for one ticket to the Cleveland game December 22. I know StubHub, etc, but figured if a real fan was looking to unload one I'd try here first.
And I don't want to go, you know, there.
No, but feel free to post a new thread about it. We don't have a limit on the number of threads posted or who can post them.
Anybody see the highlight of Ted Ginn burning Darrelle Revis?
It made me smile.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000291593/article/how-carolina-panthers-ted-ginn-beat-darrelle-revis (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000291593/article/how-carolina-panthers-ted-ginn-beat-darrelle-revis)
Anybody see the highlight of Ted Ginn burning Darrelle Revis?
It made me smile.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000291593/article/how-carolina-panthers-ted-ginn-beat-darrelle-revis (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000291593/article/how-carolina-panthers-ted-ginn-beat-darrelle-revis)
Santonio Holmes (hamstring) was limited in practice Wednesday.
Holmes played just three snaps last week against the Dolphins. Coach Rex Ryan said Holmes lacked burst and was only going to play in "must" situations last Sunday. Holmes' role for Week 14 is uncertain. Couple that with poor quarterback play, and we have a guy that isn't worth a fantasy roster spot.
Ryan gave this draft class an A+...
I'm sick of this guy.
What are you talking about?
We get it, Rex. You love your players.
KMart_LI: "If this isn't an A+ class, I don't know what you're looking for..." -- Rex Ryan on #Jets 2013 draft class
Other than Johnny E, who didn't love this draft? With Cromartie falling apart were going to need Milliner more than ever.
Geno was a steal in the second, but got thrown into the fire too soon with no weapons. And everyone on these boards loved Winters.
This could easily end up an "A" draft class if Milliner and Winters improve. Both were injured most of the preseason and missed valuable campd
It's not an A+ draft class right now. Not even close. He makes himself look like a complete moron saying stuff like this.
He was asked about how he felt about the draft class at this point...and he said this. After he's benched multiple draft picks and three of our first four picks have been incredibly inconsistent.
Other than Johnny E, who didn't love this draft?
Other than Johnny E, who didn't love this draft? With Cromartie falling apart were going to need Milliner more than ever.
Geno was a steal in the second, but got thrown into the fire too soon with no weapons. And everyone on these boards loved Winters.
This could easily end up an "A" draft class if Milliner and Winters improve. Both were injured most of the preseason and missed valuable campd
My initial reactions to every round:
1st round: WTF more defense?
2nd round: hate hate hate
3rd round: Finally a freaking guard!
4th round: Would have preferred it if we gave up a 5th, but fine with getting Ivory.
5th round: More OL? Great.
6th round: Project OL? Sure, why not?
7th round: Fullback? Whatever, it's only a 7th rounder
Of course in the following months leading up into the season I rationalized and justified most of these picks to myself.
Who could we have drafted instead of Geno Smith?
Who could we have drafted instead of Geno Smith?
My initial reactions to every round:
2nd round: hate hate hate
Who could we have drafted instead of Geno Smith?
My reaction to that pick:
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"i did not break my tv...i did not! oh, hi geno"
I was still on my way home and was following the 2nd round on twitter on my phone. I got to see Geno Smith make Nick Spano the happiest fag on earth.
Who could we have drafted instead of Geno Smith?
I wanted a guard above all else, but I recall thinking something like, "What a waste. Tyler Bray's the only quarterback worth taking in this draft."
BrianCoz: Kellen Winslow refuses to speak with reporters #nyj
...and so it begins.
Think it's coincidental that on the day every single other roster guy practices, Winslow has a "planned" day off, the same day the media puts out a story about how he picked a Denver/New England AFC title game?
Braylon is waving to Kellen from the Rex Ryan doghouse.
Was he supposed to pick the Jets?
Was he supposed to pick the Jets?
Was he supposed to pick the Jets?
^ I stopped reading as soon as i read this from Woody:
"We've got a young quarterback who is very, very talented,"
He was talking about Simms
Fun fact: With the Jets winning their 6th game and the Texans losing their 11th, it's officially impossible for the Jets to be the worst team in the league in 2013.
So freak you, ESPN.
Well that is such encouraging news, I think I am going to throw a party.
Seth Walder Jets are 12-point underdogs to the Panthers. #nyj 7:33PM EST
So instead of Geno throwing a pick 6, we make a pick 6. And we win.
Anybodies game
You should buy a block of 20 tickets to the Browns game in celebration.
I was so happy the Jets can't possibly be the worst team in the league, I went out and rented a corporate suite for the Browns game. The cost was $10,000. I asked for the shrimp and Lobster service. We are having cold poached lobster and shrimp for appetizers and 15-20 different other dishes for the buffet. You're invited Badger, I will give your name to security.
This hurts my brain.
Too elite for you.
Too elite for you.
This was an unusually quiet game for DE Muhammad Wilkerson, who was credited with only two tackles. He wasn't disruptive in the pass rush, appearing at times as if he were less than 100 percent. You can't help but wonder if his wrist injury is affecting his ability to shed blockers.
Wilkerson showed up on the injury report two weeks ago, meaning he probably hurt it against the Baltimore Ravens -- his last impact performance. He has been limited in practice, but he continues to downplay the injury, insisting it's no big deal. But could it be a coincidence that the Jets' run defense has slipped since Wilkerson hurt his wrist? The Jets have allowed 275 rushing yards in the last two games.
It's almost unfair to pick on Wilkerson because he's such a good player, undoubtedly the team MVP. That, of course, is why we take notice when he's not his usual dominant self.
Ryan didn't name names, but he said the 3-technique lined up a bit wide (it looked like Wilkerson), allowing a double team. Reece had a huge hole. NT Damon Harrison missed a tackle at the point of attack, and that was all she wrote.
And also suggests that the Reese big TD might have been Wilkersons fault as well
There's ten other players on defense with him.
The almighty Ed Reed also whiffed on the play showing that playmaking ability by jumping to the outside defending a toss. That was the biggest probably the biggest reason the play went for a 60+ yd TD run instead of being a mere 10 yard gain.
Cimini is reporting that Hill "COULD" sit out the rest of the year because of his knee problems
Yeah, and Rex didn't exactly deny it was a possibly.
Hill is a big disappointment.
If he can get his route running going, watch out.
Demaryius Thomas had both injury issues and poor QB play his first two years.
Most Denver fans were dismissing that pick as a bust...Not saying that will happen with Hill but any GT receiver who came out of that system is going to need time.
I liked Jeffrey and was hoping we'd take him, but the circumstances are a bit different. He's their #3 option in the offense, and Marshall is a top 3 receiver in the NFL dictating a ton of coverage. Obviously you don't have multiple 200 yard games by accident, or make some of the ridiculous catches he makes....but it's tough to say how he'd be doing here if he had to be the #1 guy more or less here.
Overall I'm pretty down on Hill.....because like i said,it seems he's not a player who can be effective unless he's 100% and has his combine like explosiveness. That's a big problem especially when he's shown a propensity to get constantly dinged up. I'm not ready to write him off just yet but I wouldn't really be relying on him as an integral part of the offense going forward.
And he really, really needs to find a way to get a quarterback that can anticipate routes and coverages. His biggest flaw imo.
I don't think Kyle Wilson was a "project" pick. He just never turned out to be good enough to be a starting CB.
I don't think Kyle Wilson was a "project" pick. He just never turned out to be good enough to be a starting CB.
I dunno, he's been playing pretty well this season. Or actually ever since he cut his dreads off. Maybe there's a connection there...
http://deadspin.com/freak-your-fantanking-1481413193 (http://deadspin.com/freak-your-fantanking-1481413193)
Yes phuck all the aholes that want to tank.
Edit: I will re edit to proper cussing later on. GFY
Feck you and your editing.
pretty sweet patio umbrella
Vinny definitely got a lot of mileage out of that 1998 season.
Interesting tidbit: the 1998 NY Jets are one of only two teams to have beaten 7 playoff teams in one season.
I once saw an analysis of his career next to Namath's. Except for the one game in Super Bowl III Vinny had him across the board, college and pro. It's a shame we didn't finish that year off, that was the best chance we've had in my memory, which goes back to 1974.
Per espn NY
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Guard Willie Colon was named the recipient of the Eskenazi Award, presented annually to the most media-friendly player on the New York Jet
Nice knowing you, Willie
This might become a "death-knoll" award as we don't want to be media friendly anymore
Also mildly surprised it wasn't Richardson, as the media loves that dude.
Well throwing a punch at a ref is always a good story for the media.
I could see him being back though if we lack faith in Winters. Because we're gonna need to add another guard already. We let colon go well need two
freak Willie Colon, the big mouthed penalty machine stupid named poopchute. I don't like him at all, he has given up two full length drives in penalties this season.Unless we sign a free agent guard or one in the first round, it is likely Colon will be at least an early season starter possibly to groom another younger guard or start all season if he plays OK. Every position can't be elite.
It's going to be really fun watching the Jets spend a boatload this off season. I wonder if we will sign a bunch of mid level talents or go big on a couple of elites. I just hope we can sign an elite wideout.
I don't see Idzik making a big splash. I see him signing a bunch of mid priced FA. At most I could see him splurging big on one guy, presumably a QB or WR if the opportunity is there. But barring maybe Cutler hitting the open market I just don't see it happening.
He needs to throw money at Jon Asamoah and Greg Hardy. Solidify the front sevens, then add a bunch of middle tier players to compete for other spots.
Then draft the best available talent
I wonder if DT will be the fall guy if Ryan is retained?I guess from a practice standpoint Thurman could be blamed, but Rex called all the plays and that was public from day 1 this year.
Also, Idzik could be putting together an entire staff himself...starting with the coordinators.
I guess from a practice standpoint Thurman could be blamed, but Rex called all the plays and that was public from day 1 this year.
There's going to be a ton of drama surrounding this team whether we win or lose this Sunday.It's going to be fun. Plenty of draft picks and a ton of cash. We'll be like a rich ugly dude at a whorehouse.
The Jets Blog writes:
[We have] learned today that due diligence is being worked on around coaches that have ties to John Idzik. As of Monday, the Jets have snooped around defensive positional coaches that fit a certain profile. The names we’ve heard as a whole can be classified as smart, young, rising positional coaches who have shone in their respective work. Our first impression is that they might be hard to sell to the media in New York as head coaching candidates, but could be promising coordinators.
I'm not sure what to make of this? It sounds very vague and general?
If the source is actually legitimate, it sounds like John Idzik is finding defensive coordinator candidates for a new coach. It just tells me that he's building his future staff.
I'm not sure Rex Ryan will get rid of Dennis Thurman. That's one of his guys.
Unless we sign a free agent guard or one in the first round, it is likely Colon will be at least an early season starter possibly to groom another younger guard or start all season if he plays OK. Every position can't be elite.
I wonder if DT will be the fall guy if Ryan is retained?
Also, Idzik could be putting together an entire staff himself...starting with the coordinators.
Are you kidding? How the freak do you build a staff, coordinators first? All the craziness about hiring a GM with a HC in place will pale in comparison to the awfulness we would experience if we hire coordinators and then force them on the next HC....
No one said anything about hiring them first...with that said, the general manager should have more control over the staff than the head coach.The only person taking a head job that won't allow him to have at least equal say on his people is someone desperate for a move up.
Are you kidding? How the freak do you build a staff, coordinators first? All the craziness about hiring a GM with a HC in place will pale in comparison to the awfulness we would experience if we hire coordinators and then force them on the next HC....
The only person taking a head job that won't allow him to have at least equal say on his people is someone desperate for a move up.
We also need to keep in mind that this is the same dude that said Tom Gamble would be the next NYJ general manager.
No one said anything about hiring them first...with that said, the general manager should have more control over the staff than the head coach.Seriously?? No coach will take this job if the GM is picking his staff.
Plus, this worked out so well when Tannenbaum hired Sparano...
Rex Ryan wanted Tony Sparano.
Ground and Pound, babbie. Also, the Wildcat...
I hope you guys realize that when Rex Ryan came in here, Brian Schottenheimer was retained and he was okay with it. It's really not that big of a deal.
Ryan was a wildman when he came here though. His attitude was way more offputting to GMs than it is now. The whole guarantees and things. I mean he went out there the previous year and couldnt get a headcoaching job (ie Atlanta passed on him)
I dont believe Rex was a hot commodity that had several teams competing for him. Hell the Ravens passed on him and he was there for a decade. A decade of them having one of best defenses of all time
I dont know why people think Rex had nothing to do with Sparano. On paper that was an absolutely perfect freaking marriage, it just didnt fit the roster. The 2009 Jets + Sparano and that power running game could have worked much more nicely
Antonio Cromartie on facing Dolphins: ""This is our last game. We want to make sure it's their last game, too." #Jets
Cimini Tweet (https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/416308611841683456)
Seth Walder
Antonio Cromartie said he would "definitely" be open to restructuring his contract. "This is where I want to retire." #nyj
2:51PM EST
Ive been wondering what were gonna do with Cromartie
Like 4 years 25 million, front-loaded or something to that effect and id like to see him back...
And then traded in a year when Milliner proves himself
A lot of these guys are commenting how they want to come back here and how they want Rex back because they know things won't be as good for them elsewhere and without Rex, a fair number of them will be hitting the bricks.
Firing Rex would open up a world of problems.
Chill
Rex leaving would suck, but it wouldnt make the entire team esplode.
The defense would likely drop off a little ( likely being offset by Wilk/Coples/Richardson/Davis peaking/entering their primes), and if we got someone who was VERY good at offense (which the real question becomes, is such a candidate available?) then the offense would likely improve.
For me losing Rex would bum me out, but if we managed to land someone like Cutler that would help ease the sting a little
Hopefully we don't have to find out. No reason we can't improve the offense with Rex here, I think Mornhinweg is the right guy. The offense seemed to run a lot better than before, even with players thrown together as we went along, and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who will get hired away to be a head coach again if we get good.
People can say or think what they want about Rex but theres one simple fact thats undeniable. If Rex is gone next week, he will be leaving this team in MUCH better shape than it was in when he got here a few years ago.
It's kind of deniable.
For what it's worth, I think we're much better off now than we were at the end of 2011.
What you're basically saying is that the Jets post-2013 have a longer window for possible success than the post-2008 team. The latter was a better team to inherit in terms of win-now success though.
That's more of a GM conversation though. Where Rex comes in is the ability to gameplan, prepare the team and coach the game with the roster you give him. With a strong D it can keep you in games and give you a chance to win. Kotite went 1-15 and Parcells 9-7 with mostly the same players.
If a GM is getting a QB (or any player) to start that a HC doesnt feel is a good fit, and this is happening on a consistent basis thats a major issue.
Meh
Clearly the whole Trader Tanny thing was part of his philosophy. He made trades before Rex (Jenks, Favre) he made trades during Rex.
But no HC is absolved of the roster decisions for a team. A GM and HC should be have some level of harmony in decisions. If a GM is getting a QB (or any player) to start that a HC doesnt feel is a good fit, and this is happening on a consistent basis thats a major issue.
Of course years like this year where you have a HC that is forced on a GM are an exception.
Although the Milliner/Richardson picks makes me think there was definitely some level of being on the same page
And that the Jets had a higher grade on EJ Manuel than Geno per an "anonymous source"
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They didnt bring him in to start.
Hell he cost us what a 4th round pick?
Not saying it was a good move, but I dont mind a GM taking a flier on a low risk high reward move.
Its just a big difference if Tanny had gone out and traded up for Sanchez and Rex didnt want him
I think his point was we traded for Tebow, giving up assets for a player for which we had no freaking plan how to use, and we had no development of a plan after the fact. It was a terrible move and cost us a solid asset, terrible decision by Tanny.
Well we brought in Sparano for the wildcat and tebow for the wildcat.
So they had a plan, it just ended up being horrible
This. Have to put it on Sparano mostly. They even tried the punt protector thing to find a use for him outside of Sparano's creative ability.
And that the Jets had a higher grade on EJ Manuel than Geno per an "anonymous source"
Why is that news?
For me losing Rex would bum me out, but if we managed to land someone like Cutler that would help ease the sting a little
Honestly, if we signed Cutler, Id be a little annoyed. I just dont think he would be worth the 15 mil per year in this offense. From what Ive seen of Cutler over the years, he likes to gamble on both his arm and his WR's. I dont necessarily have a problem with the first part, but in this offense, the second part is a recipe for disaster. The guy would going from having a top 3 WR duo + Forte and Bennett, to us... If we sign Cutler, I dont see us being able to sign any significant WR in FA. Even if we draft Mike Evans, I dont think that will be good enough for Cutler to succeed and ultimately be worth the money.
Plus, the guy is good to miss at least 1-2 games per year. I just dont think he's worth the money.
Reports are that Cro could get hip surgery after this season, guess his hip injury was likely the biggest issue with him this year after all.
I mean if we add Cutler + a mid/high end wr in fa, then draft a wr/te/guard with 3 of our first 4 picks this offense would be wildly improved.
Again, you're basically talking about a full offensive rebuild. It can't at be fixed at once.
Chemistry between the QB and his targets will take time. The picks may not be consistent early on.
It's not all going to be fixed in one offseason.
Oh I dont think we would have a top 10 offense next year
We all know Woody wants Rex here, and everyone on the planet can see that Rex did a hell of a job taking a team with one of the worst starting QBs in the league and making them competitive. I also think hes done a far better job building this roster than most people realize.
People can say or think what they want about Rex but theres one simple fact thats undeniable. If Rex is gone next week, he will be leaving this team in MUCH better shape than it was in when he got here a few years ago.
The defensive line is better. Aside from that, every other unit on the team is worse now than it was in 2008.
I'm not talking about statistics, dude. You keep saying stuff like: "all we have to do is sign Jay Cutler, sign a wideout, and draft three to four starters on offense!"
Not that easy.
It's unrealistic to think everyone we bring in through FA and the draft will work out immediately.
Geno Smith was one of the absolute worst starting QBs in the league this year, a rookie 2nd rounder who struggled to learn the offense which he never really did in college
Hill was out basically the entire year
He played in 12 games. Stop making excrement up.
Why do you keep trying to tell me stuff that I already know?
Well we brought in Sparano for the wildcat and tebow for the wildcat.
So they had a plan, it just ended up being horrible
I didn't put it on Sparano, it's on Tanny.
You just said earlier the head coach isn't responsible for roster things the GM is. Now you're ready to blame an OC?
If you want to call the vague concept of using him "in the wildcat" a well thought out plan, then sure you can call it that. But let's be honest, their plan making skills were freaking terrible when it came to Tebow. He was completely misused, and we contributed to the kicking him out of the league, between the ny media circus and complete lack of use we got out of him, he is done.
Signing him was, in my opinion, the worst NY Jets decision in a decade. I still get angry when I think about it.
Because you think he made Mark Sanchez suck.
Because you think he made Mark Sanchez suck.
Vernon Gholston was the worst decision of this decade. Re-signing Santonio Holmes was also a worse decision.
FTR, Rex Ryan wanted to play Tim Tebow more, but Sparano was against it.
I don't think drafting Vernon Gholston was a bad decision, per se. He's one of the all time greatest draft busts, to be sure, but that's in hindsight. At the time, he was generally considered the BPA, and our biggest need was a pass rushing OLB. I honestly believe the Jets FO tried everything to get Ryan, Long or McFadden, but it just wasn't in the cards. And frankly, I don't know who we would have taken if we passed on Gholston.
IMO, bad decisions have to be obviously bad at the moment they're being made. The Tebow trade and the Sanchez contract extension are the only two moves that made me say "what the holy freak are they thinking?!" Those two, and sailing through the 2012 off-season without even pretending to evaluate the offensive line, i.e. Wayne Hunter.
NFL Trade Rumors is reporting that Nelson has signed a two year extension. Good news if true.
NFL Trade Rumors is reporting that Nelson has signed a two year extension. Good news if true.
Yeah, and what incentive would they have signing him to an extension with less than a week to go this season?
Kristian Dyer
Rex on if knocking Miami out of the playoffs is a motivational factor: "If that was New England, it'd be true."
1:27PM EST
I don't think drafting Vernon Gholston was a bad decision, per se. He's one of the all time greatest draft busts, to be sure, but that's in hindsight. At the time, he was generally considered the BPA, and our biggest need was a pass rushing OLB. I honestly believe the Jets FO tried everything to get Ryan, Long or McFadden, but it just wasn't in the cards. And frankly, I don't know who we would have taken if we passed on Gholston.
IMO, bad decisions have to be obviously bad at the moment they're being made. The Tebow trade and the Sanchez contract extension are the only two moves that made me say "what the holy freak are they thinking?!" Those two, and sailing through the 2012 off-season without even pretending to evaluate the offensive line, i.e. Wayne Hunter.
no hatred for the Phins?Now that Channing crowder is gone, what has Miami done in Rex's tenure to pee us off? They haven't won, they have pretty much split with us, so why should Rex hate them any more than the Bills?
Now that Channing crowder is gone, what has Miami done in Rex's tenure to pee us off? They haven't won, they have pretty much split with us, so why should Rex hate them any more than the Bills?
Now that Channing crowder is gone, what has Miami done in Rex's tenure to pee us off? They haven't won, they have pretty much split with us, so why should Rex hate them any more than the Bills?
AFC East rivals deserve an equal amount of hate.
Except for the Pats. They deserve way extra hate.
Should be this:
Pats
Miami
Bills
This is pretty much spot on.
Older fans generally loathe the Phins more because historically they crapped on us more. Still, since the Brady/Belichick era there hasn't been a team more worthy of pure unbridled hatred as the Patriots. And it goes both ways. Brady and Belichick are honest about how much they don't like the Jets and how they love to beat them. It's an honest-to-goodness rivalry.
Now if only we could beat those assholes.
Rex is 3-6 vs Miami
But they also havent made the playoffs (even as a wild card team) as long as Rex has been here.
Plus with the Patriots hijacking the division the entire RR era (and his history with BB), he should hate them a helluva lot more
That last sentence is the difference between Jets/Pats being the best rivalry in football like the steelers/Ravens and it being what it is now.
Absolutely. That doesn't change the fact that to Rex the Pats are the biggest rivalry he cares about. Hell, it probably fuels it. Rex is a happy guy when the Jets win, but he's like a kid on Christmas when they beat New England.
The Jets have an unusually large number of assistant coaches in the final year of their contracts, an indication that general manager John Idzik has been mulling a coaching-staff shake-up since last offseason. Soon-to-be free agents include Mike Devlin (offensive line), Karl Dunbar (defensive line), Ben Kotwica (special-teams coordinator), Sanjay Lal (wide receivers), Anthony Lynn (assistant head coach/running backs) and Dennis Thurman (defensive coordinator), sources said.
FLORHAM PARK, NJ – If Rex Ryan isn’t coaching the Jets this time next week, there will be a lot of disappointed Jets. And not just the grinders who wouldn’t likely last into another administration, but the core guys who could be building blocks for the next incarnation of the team.
“I honestly believe in the direction we’re headed,” Nelson said. “I’ve been around coaching changes before, I know how difficult they can be. Change is never easy especially when you have 60 different personalities. And Rex has connected with these guys on a deeper level than X’s and O’s so I like the direction we’re headed and I believe in Rex Ryan.”
Ryan is a player’s coach. That means he isn’t issuing fines to guys who don’t tie a perfect Windsor knot with their suit, or who are 30 seconds late for a run-of-the-mill occurrence. Of course they’d rather play for him than a buttoned-down replacement that general manager John Idzik might be inclined to choose.
But backup quarterback David Garrard sees more practical reasons to stick with Ryan.
“You’ve got to think the rate of instant success for a first year coach is not very high,” Garrard.
The Jets will have more cap space next year, particularly if they rework or cut certain contracts like WR Santonio Holmes, QB Mark Sanchez or CB Antonio Cromartie. That means new players will likely come in, and that’s a lot of change all at once.
“It’s a matter of finding the right people,” Garrard said. “Pretty much whoever comes in is going to play for Rex that’s just how he is and how he’s loved by the guys in this locker room.”
Ryan has declined to talk about his future during the regular season, but plenty of his players have backed their coach in one form or another as the discussion of his job security gets louder.
“I know how this locker room feels and I know how I feel,” Garrard said, “and I believe everybody in here does love having Rex as head coach.”
Related to the earlier report of Idzik looking at assistants, Cimini writes:
If they don't bring back Dunbar I will excrement down Idziks throat
If they don't bring back Dunbar I will excrement down Idziks throatI hope they don't bail on him but Dunbar can get another job anywhere if he wants to leave on his own. I don't know how tied to Rex he is now but he might decide to go elsewhere himself if Rex gets fired.
No jets made the pro bowl
Polamalu made it too
What a joke
dcm, you're acting like Karl Dunbar is the only good defensive line coach in football. I'd like to see him back too and it makes sense to retain him because of the success of the DL, but if someone else is brought in, we'll likely see the same level of play from that unit.
Im acting like has been having excellent success with the 3-4 most important players on this team who are in their 1st 2nd and 3rd years. So firing him would be epicly freaking retarded.
He's not going to be fired. His contract is expiring.
Hes either back or hes not
Either way, the DL will be fine.
Also you are always saying the DL is great because of the high DPs
No, I'm always saying the DL is great because that's where the talent is.
Yes and the talent is there because of high DPs. I'm just saying if you want some evidence that Dunbar deserves to keep his job, it's a good idea to look at Snacks rapid development into one of the leagues top Nose players.
Karl Dunbar has done a great job, but I won't be upset if John Idzik cleans house because that's how it needs to be done with Rex Ryan gets fired.
The entire staff, no matter how good some may be, need to be elsewhere. No holdovers.
Why does it have to be done that way? If Dunbar's done a solid job, why can't he stay?
I'm not against him staying, but in my opinion, cleaning house is the way to go if/when Rex Ryan is fired.
The identity and philosophy of this team has the change if someone new takes over.
Leger Douzable, Kenrick Ellis, and Damon Harrison are all key players on that DL. They weren't high draft picks.
Not trying to take anything away from Damon Harrison, but it's a hell of a lot easier to play nose tackle when the players to your left and right are dominant.
And Dunbar brought Douzable here
That's fair, but I think Dunbar is detached enough from most of Ryan's regime and has his unit performing well enough that he could be kept over should a new head coach want him back.
I'm not against him staying, but in my opinion, cleaning house is the way to go if/when Rex Ryan is fired.
The identity and philosophy of this team has the change if someone new takes over.
But Dunbar ran a 4-3 much longer with the Vikings
So we can change with him here
Hopefully. I've actually talked about giving Karl Dunbar a shot at being defensive coordinator here. It's time for him to get a chance somewhere.
Karl Dunbar teaches within the scheme that he's given. He didn't run anything in Minnesota or here.
Changing the mindset of a team behind the scenes is just as important as changing what goes on during games. With all new faces, the players start fresh too.
I doubt he'd be DC if he comes back. That doesn't make much sense.
You dont hear anyone talking about changing the saints passing game or the seahawks defense
Bob Sutton
What in the freak are you talking about?
Damn you and your relevant examples.
You're not wrong thinking it's unlikely. If he's one of the few that stays on from that group, he at least deserves some sort of promotion though. New contract will probably mean more money for him.
I could see him as a DL coach/assistant head coach.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGaFBMtJNrM
Oh Stephen A.
Stephen A doesn't know excrement about football.
Not that he knows much about anything, but especially football.
that's far more retarded than a new GM having a HC forced on him.
I disagree.
A new general manager should be able to choose who his head coach is. If they aren't on the same wave length, things will not run smoothly.
That relationship is much more important than any.
I disagree.
A new general manager should be able to choose who his head coach is. If they aren't on the same wave length, things will not run smoothly.
That relationship is much more important than any.
Well that's some bull. I'd rather see him get two years but at least he's not left as a lame duck.
Hopefully we get a definitive answer on what the regime thinks of his future after building the offense.
Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) tweeted at 5:33 PM on Mon, Dec 30, 2013:
From @KimJonesSports and me: #Jets coach Rex Ryan not getting the long-term extension he covets. Team brass will only give him 1-year deal.
Seth Walder @SethWalderNYDN 24sDid he mention his strategy for 2015 compensatory picks? Which top FAs are the Jets going to pass on to get another 7th rounder?
Idzik: "We will have some flexibility going into free agency and the offseason." #nyj
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 53s
Idzik: "We're going to use all those tools." on the free agency and the draft
fire up the shopping cart.
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 34s
Idzik: "We're going to improve the skill positions. Absolutely we're going to improve the skill positions." #Jets
thank you, sir.
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 34s
Idzik: "We're going to improve the skill positions. Absolutely we're going to improve the skill positions." #Jets
thank you, sir.
Starting with extending Holmes!
even if it were sarcasm, you should be kicked in the dong for saying that.
He just said in the presser, which is live, that "they'll get to FA and the draft." Right now they're "focusing on the task at hand." I can imagine that means signing the paperwork for Rex and having a couple of weeks off before decisions are made on personnel and draft strategy.
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 21m
Idzik first priority: Evaluating the season. Conducting exit interviews with players, coaches. #Jets
I'd totally nail that horse-faced giantess. I mean...what?
Woody and Idzik said they made the decision two weeks ago that Rex was the right guy for the job to them. If they reached out to those other camps right before that, they clearly didn't hear the kind of answers that would convince you to fire your current coach.
I have no problem with due dilligence. It sucks and it's a bit of "betrayal" to Rex, but the fact is, that's the nature of the business of the NFL. We don't complain when a team looks at new options at player positions, so why should we be shocked if a team attempts to upgrade a coaching position?
Writers just need something to write about. I love that Rex and Idzik gave them absolutely nothing in the closing presser.
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My irresistable urge to nail Maggie Gyllenhal tells me my taste in women can be rather odd.
My irresistable urge to nail Maggie Gyllenhal tells me my taste in women can be rather odd.
Threeway with horse-face and turtle-face?
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 5h
Guard Willie Colon seemed upset after game and didn't talk to reporters Sunday or Monday. Here's why: He tore a bicep, per source. #Jets
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini 4h
Lousy timing for Willie Colon, who will be a free agent. Recovery time will go into free agency period. Had a good yr for #Jets.
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Jenny Vrentas @JennyVrentas 10m
Perception in Jets bldg 2 wks ago: brass contacted O'Brien, Lovie Smith camps. Not saying they did or didn't. But that was what staff heard.
let the rumor mongering commence.....
Doing their due diligence is a prudent thing to do. Ultimately, I believe they made the right choice with Rex.
She sort of did it for me in that movie Secretariat.
Didn't Woody say they made their mind up over a month ago though?
Would you believe Woody if he said the grass was blue and sky was green also?
BLAMMO
Would you believe Woody if he said the grass was blue and sky was green also?
This actually increases the chance of him being back next year.
It also increases the chances of him being even worse in 2014. Bringing him back as depth is not a bad move though.
Well hed most likely be competing with whoever. Far from a lock to start on what will likely be close to a vet min contract. Him Winters + a future addition competing for 2 spots wouldnt be horrible assuming the +1 is someone good
I'd like us to add at least two new guards. Free agency first, then the draft if we don't address it fully.
Lauvao and Asamoah would be an incredible haul. Then Colon and Winters can provide strong depth. Both of them can play right tackle too.
Did we all forget about the 8000 yards in penalties that Colon gave up this year? He might not have given up as many sacks as Winters but in his own way he was still awful.
Did we all forget about the 8000 yards in penalties that Colon gave up this year? He might not have given up as many sacks as Winters but in his own way he was still awful.
I wonder if any of these lineman on the practice squad have a chance to compete to play this year? I guess the best we can hope for is a backup.
I bet Dalton Freeman sticks around as a legit backup to Mangold. I believe he has a little versatility along then line too. Buh bye Schlauderaff. The Matt Flynn of centers.
LOL, teh freak?. He has a job here undeservedly. Bad comparison but you get the point.
Colon was called for 12 penalties this year. 1 was declined (the penalty he had the other day), 1 was for that Talib scrum at the end of the first Patriots game.
So that's 10 accepted penalties, 5 of which were false starts and 5 of which were offensive holding or illegal use of hands. That is probably on the higher end but it's not as bad as it seems.
Can't we just have a normal offseason. Two days in, and here come the dickpics.
I doubt the story picks up much steam.
It will once I email this to Mike Francesca.
"Eli wudda neffa done dis. Eli dussint even take his dick out in the bafroom. Back afta dis."
best deadspin comment:
"All this talking & texting, he NEVER mentioned a girlfriend."
This marks the first time all year Geno looked off his primary receiver.
best deadspin comment:
"All this talking & texting, he NEVER mentioned a girlfriend."
This marks the first time all year Geno looked off his primary receiver.
http://deadspin.com/rex-ryan-waits-in-airport-wears-all-orange-sweatsuit-1494957226
Welcome to the New York Jets, Mr. Watkins.
Martavis Bryant entered today too
I really hope Ryan doesn't push for Tajh Boyd if he falls in the draft a bit.
Jets signed CB Ras-I Dowling to a reserve/future contract.
Dowling has been a complete bust since the Patriots made him the 33rd overall pick in the 2011 draft, appearing in nine career games and enduring countless injuries. Rex Ryan is a master at getting the most out of defenders, however, and Dowling has ability. He will spend the offseason program as a Jet.
Maybe we could convert Hill to cornerback.
He has similar dimensions to Cromartie and would fill our need at corner.
Plus hes a WR so he would be good at interceptions !
As Jets fans know, some of our deserving players didn't get initial invitations to the Pro Bowl and at the moment, no one is guaranteed to represent the Green & White in the all-star game, although DE Muhammad Wilkerson and C Nick Mangold are both first alternates and CB Antonio Cromartie is a second alternate.
wat
http://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/1ukwef/debate_besides_wr_te_what_player_would_you_be/cejn15m
What in the clear blue freak? Did anyone else know about this? (http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-5/Jets-Fans-Look-to-the-Offseason-Sked-Ahead/1edacf10-0b50-4cb2-9e4b-a20e38bbb6cd)
Let me try to wrap my head around this...
Flowers is out of the Pro Bowl with a concussion, correct? Meaning the first alternate gets his spot?
Does that mean that if either Richard Sherman or Aqib Talib get injured or opt out of the PB after securing a Super Bowl berth, Antonio Cromartie goes to the Pro Bowl?
Pack on some weight? Have to be a minimum of 35 - 40 lbs? LOL
the common saying is that you make the pro bowl 2-3 years after you earned it.
I made the gravy comment. I also had a bad day so I really blasted him in my second post, freak that dumb freak.
As long as the guy plays well for my team, I couldn't care less if he ever gets a Pro Bowl nod.
That number is skewed a bit by the loss of Antwan Barnes....since I guess they technically don't consider him a starter despite the fact he played a good amount of snaps.
But overall, yeah...we didn't have the major season ending injuries that plague a lot of teams. Goodson, barnes and sanchez were the 3.
Unfortunately, a high concentration of those injuries were at the skill positions along with Winslow's suspension so that doesn't exactly paint the whole picture.
Dunbar.
Hmm. How much of the DL's success is down to him and how much of it is down to the fact that it's stacked with ridiculous talent?
Being drafted in the 1st round doesn't guarantee a player's success. Aside from that, an undrafted free agent is the best nose tackle in football after his second year in the league.
Dunbar's the real deal.
Unless Dunbar gets offered a promotion there's no reason for him not to be here next tear.
Hmm. How much of the DL's success is down to him and how much of it is down to the fact that it's stacked with ridiculous talent?
not worried about keeping Dunbar. As long as Rex is still here, our DL will be in good hands.
Ryan needs to worry about coaching the entire team, not just the position he's passionate about.
The point is that there's no good reason not to try not to retain Dunbar.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 3h
Jets still haven't offered extensions to any of the at least half-dozen asst. coaches on staff, and they're now free to talk to other teams.
Anyone we especially give a excrement about?
Right or Wrong, I think it would behoove the Jets to keep some consistency for Geno Smith's direct coaches (QB coach).
I am not sold on Mornhinweg, but again continuity. What is his official role? I don't see him as a head coach candidate, but a lateral move maybe?
Marty Mornhinweg is under contract, I think.
If not, I'd be okay with him moving on if Idzik isn't sold on Smith. We're going to be reloading on offense anyway.
Continuity would be great for Smith, but if they don't plan on sticking with him, then try to get better.
He can still move laterally if offered, say, a Asst HC title correct?
I am going on the premise that Smith will be under center next year, until we are proven otherwise. Simply for sanity sake.
I don't think Mornhinweg did a good enough job for us to care if he goes elsewhere.
Look at who we're comparing him to: Brian Schottenheimer and Tony Sparano
Keeping things the same for Geno Smith makes plenty of sense and it's very realistic, but if he wants to leave, it's fine with me. We can do better.
So Schefter is just an idiot then?
As of right now, the Jets haven't made an offer to any of the assistant coaches with expiring contracts. That group is believed to include offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg and defensive coordinator Dennis Thurman.
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To go off Schefter's tweet, #Jets ST coach Ben Kotwica met with new Army head coach Jeff Monken last Thursday to discuss joining his staff.
Still, the deadline for exclusive negotiations has passed.
I don’t know all the names of the expiring contracts but DC Dennis Thurman, RB coach Anthony Lynn, DL coach Karl Dunbar, WR coach Sanjay Lal and STC Ben Kotwica were among those names.
http://thejetsblog.com/nyjets/buzz-status-of-jets-assistant-coacehs-becoming-more-uncertain/
ST was pretty mediocre this season, can't say I give a excrement about Kotwica.
The Jets special teams was not mediocre, it was flat out awful. Special teams was bottom 5 of the league in everything in totality.
Has been for two years, need to improve there in a big way next season, we need a returner (Mccluster?) and some coverage guys, I think Bellore, Trufant and Lankster are about the only guys worth keeping from the unit as a whole.
I'm hoping the Jets get a new ST backer and defensive back through late round picks or UDFAs.
For some reason, Kotwica was okay with Nick Bellore and Garrett McIntyre on special teams. Solid special teams players, but neither is a burner. Get some more athletes out there.
Didnt we lose like quite a few core special teamers though ?
Im not saying Kotwica is great, but I mean we had to cut McKnight because hes a head case. Goodson ended up on IR. Cromartie was hurt all year so we didnt want to use him in special teams really. Kerley was hurt so he missed action on special teams/mightve been extra conservative. Cribbs ended up on IR, Gates ended up on IR.
Just a lot of special teams injuries in general.
There's more to special teams than the return man.
Yeah I just checked. That blocked punt was because Reuland just ended up on IR (another special teams injury) and we were forced to put Sudfeld (fresh off the street) in there in his place. Sudfeld fucked up, and there you go blocked punt.
And lets remember that special teams last year under Westhoff was truly HORRENDOUS, and Westhoff is/was one of the best special teams coaches in the league. And hes said it several times that that was one of the least talented special teams groups hes ever had in his career.
So I think it might be a little hasty to just jump the gun and let Kotwica walk, without giving him at least a little time to improve the unit. Especially with a new GM who hopefully is more interested in building depth throughout an entire roster than the previous regimen
Has been for two years, need to improve there in a big way next season, we need a returner (Mccluster?) and some coverage guys, I think Bellore, Trufant and Lankster are about the only guys worth keeping from the unit as a whole.
Oh and for a team that has relied so much on field position for the Rex era, do you think we could get a god damned punter in here?
Agree, ST have been terrible. I want a decent punter.
We need to get an all-purpose player, Ladarius Perkins or Dri Archer would be a good start.
De'Anthony Thomas would be a big pick up for us.
cutting Robert Malone was the end of the last great jets punting regimen.
Today is Nick Mangold's 30th birthday.he's old, cut him.
http://www.sporcle.com/games/g/nyjetsqbs
How well can you guys do?
I got 18/28
15/28
Missed guys like Brooks Bollinger, Tim Tebow, and Brad Smith, though I don't remember the last two ever starting a game as QB.
NFW am I playing that.
You'd probably get around the same number I got.
I got 22. The others are too obscure for me.
Told you you'd get the same number as me.
Yeah, I don't know anything about guys like Jack Trudeau.
Neither Tebow nor Brad Smith started games at QB, let alone Tebow twice and Brad 17 times. Something is fucked up.
Maybe the number of games Tebow and Smith attempted a pass?
They should hire us as an advisory committee.
ST was pretty mediocre this season, can't say I give a excrement about Kotwica.
I am all for getting rid of Kotwica don't let the door hit his derriere on the way out. Special teams sucked balls last year freak him.
Westhoff even said that the ST personnel was bad. It didn't matter who the ST coordinator was, the unit wasn't going to do well.
I'm not defending Kotwica, I'm just making the point that no one was doing well with this group. Just like the Jets offense.
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2014/01/nfl-logos-hipsters.html
Can someone host the Jets one on imgur and post it here? KSK is blocked at work for me.
Its just the Jets oval superimposed with a big 'U' and then 'probably never heard of us'.
Not worth the effort.
Former NYJ OC and current STL OC Brian Schottenheimer is interviewing for the Vanderbilt coaching job.
If he gets the job, I expect him to win no more than five games a season with that program.
You mean trying to re invent the wheel in route design while being completely out recruited won't work?
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You think Revis wearing a Batman onesie?
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If you bought a PSL thinking you were in some way going to be guaranteed a Super Bowl ticket then something something bridges. I don't know the exact mechanics of how it works, but I am presuming that Super Bowl ticketing is managed by the NFL, not the operating company of MetLife Stadium. Why would you think that PSLs have any relation to tickets for a game that the Jets are not involved in?
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Vernon Gholston, Unsung Hero
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/1/17/5318594/ny-jets-vernon-gholston-unsung-hero
That's pretty fuckn' crazy. Our best 3 year stretch in the history of the franchise were Gholston's three years here.
Just imagine if he was even remotely useful...
Vernon Gholston, Unsung Hero
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/1/17/5318594/ny-jets-vernon-gholston-unsung-hero
Just imagine if he was even remotely useful...
Somewhat amusing, a Cimini article about Belichick potentially being a spy in the house
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/34704/sunday-notes-a-spy-in-the-house
The Jets recognize it, signing him before the season ended to a one-year, $495,000 contract (the second-year minimum).
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Loomis: Saints will franchise Graham as tight end if no long-term deal http://wp.me/p14QSB-9ovY
since we're in the market for a TE, I thought this was interesting...especially since the Saints are one of the teams that are in a possible cap hell this offseason.
No freaking way are they letting Graham walk unless some idiot teams offers them a Herschel Walker deal.
I would trade the 18th overall pick for Jimmy Graham.
But would you sign him for 2 first rounders?
But would you sign him for 2 first rounders?
They can tag him exclusively also, which means that he can't negotiate with any other team. Non-exclusive he can negotiate and accept a new teams contract and wait for a matching offer.. If this is the case the new team must forfeit 2 first round selections to the old team. However, if he is franchised, and then traded, he can be traded for any compensation.
Graham will be franchised regardless of WR or TE because a team will trade for him in some capacity, and the Saints are not going to just let him walk.
But if he gets the wr tag it'll be REALLY freaking hard to give him a long term deal. Elite tes get like 6-8 million a year, hell be under contract for 11m fully guaranteed for a year. So unless he's the highest paid te of all time with the most guaranteed money ever by one, he's gonna have a lot of freaking leverage.
Which also means it will be harder to trade him as well.
Tagging him as a WR is extraordinarily risky
If he gets the WR tag, it will because he is a classified as a WR. He is putting up the production of a WR at the WR position. He won't just go back to playing just TE. Teams will know how to use him, and pay him as such. Also, If he is tagged as a WR he will be traded to a team that can afford him.
The Saints are not going to just let him walk with no compensation. Even a 7th rounder is better than nothing, so anywhere between 2 1's and that 7th rounder is in the best interest of the New Orleans Saints.
Uhm... What?
The franchise tag dictates how and where a player plays?
So if he gets tagged as a WR teams will suddenly be willing to pay him 10-16 million a year?
What teams going to trade for him if they can't extend him reasonably.
Giving Graham the franchise tag for a WR guarantees he's the highest paid, most guaranteed money EVER by a TE and by a significant margin. I understand they could still try to tag him and trade him at a reduced value but it could be risky.
Teams would have all the leverage knowing the Saints HAVE to trade him or else they're fucked cap wise.
I don't think they tag him as a WR. It's just complicated
But if he gets the wr tag it'll be REALLY freaking hard to give him a long term deal. Elite tes get like 6-8 million a year, hell be under contract for 11m fully guaranteed for a year. So unless he's the highest paid te of all time with the most guaranteed money ever by one, he's gonna have a lot of freaking leverage.
Which also means it will be harder to trade him as well.
Tagging him as a WR is extraordinarily risky
It doesn't matter what he's tagged as, he's got them over a barrel either way, and he'll get the same deal either way. If they lowball him then he'll say eat excrement and take the 6 million, which will leave them screwed for the year.
It has to matter. If he's under contract for the wr tag he gets a freak ton more leverage in negotiations
If they win arbitration and he's tagged as a te they get a lot more.
If Revis didn't have that clause in his deal saying we couldn't tag him after the year, it's very possible Idzik could've extended him.
That excrement is definitely somewhat significant for negotiations
Those are totally different clauses.
They can't afford either tag, 6 or 11, they can only survive keeping him with a new deal. If we all know that, then they do too.
A saints writer did the math on it, and if Graham makes the 6 million dollar tag they need to replace something like 11 of their most expensive players and free agents with rookies.
That cant be right
They could save 3.5 million cutting Sproles
3 million cutting Pierre Thomas
2.5 million cutting Moore
1.6 Jenkins
1.5 Butler
I thin they could absolutely find a way to bring him back for 6 million on a 1 year deal.
Would be tough certainly, but possible
That cant be right
They could save 3.5 million cutting Sproles
3 million cutting Pierre Thomas
2.5 million cutting Moore
1.6 Jenkins
1.5 Butler
I thin they could absolutely find a way to bring him back for 6 million on a 1 year deal.
Would be tough certainly, but possible
That cant be right
They could save 3.5 million cutting Sproles
3 million cutting Pierre Thomas
2.5 million cutting Moore
1.6 Jenkins
1.5 Butler
I thin they could absolutely find a way to bring him back for 6 million on a 1 year deal.
Would be tough certainly, but possible
You're forgetting everything else they'd need to do to get under the cap.
well I didnt list the guys that were assumed to be cut to get them under the cap with enough space to sign their draft picks (posted in the other thread, think it wass like Ingram,Smith, Greer Evans?)
I listed guys that they werent so likely to cut, but that could still make Graham affordable.
Sounds like the Saints would have to deplete their entire roster just to tag Graham for one year. Not a smart move IMO. A great TE isnt going to hide the multiple deficiencies all over the roster.
Sounds like the Saints would have to deplete their entire roster just to tag Graham for one year. Not a smart move IMO. A great TE isnt going to hide the multiple deficiencies all over the roster.
Especially one that was completely eliminated in the playoff game against Seattle. Graham was non-existent. Can you mutilate the rest of your offense for a guy that didn't show up when you needed him?
Cutting Will Smith, Lance Moore and having their guards restructure will enable the saints to make it work.
Smith is 10 mil in savings alone if I recall
Yeah, but they'll still have holes all over the place.
Yeah, but they'll still have holes all over the place.
Do you bite the bullet though? That is the million dollar question.
Losing Graham pretty much slams their championship window.
ATL will be back and CAR is going to own that division from here on out.
Especially with Brees on the verge of retirement.
Losing Graham pretty much slams their championship window.
ATL will be back and CAR is going to own that division from here on out.
To be fair Carolina is going to lose Steve Smith pretty soon, and its not like that offense is littered with playmakers .Deangello williams is going to be 31, and their LT and LG could both retire in the very near future (age 34 and 33 before next season starts)
Thomas Davis is also 31 with a nasty history of injuries.
I think Carolina is far from a lock to become a team who is going to own its division as an elite team unless Newton takes a HUGE step forward (hes pretty good, but hes not a Brees/Manning/Brady who can carry his offense on his own)
And Atlanta has Steven Jackson, Roddy White, and Tony Gonzo all at the end of their careers (Gonzo is presumably done after this one)
I think that division could be a dogfight each and every year until Brees retires and the Saints of course become completely irrelevant.
They have two of the best young players in the sport on both sides of the ball.
They also play in a relatively warm climate in a nice city.
Carolina will remain competitive for a long time. Players will want to come play with Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly.
Their defense is going to keep getting better, especially if they re-sign Greg Hardy. They can get Newton some help in the draft.
Sure theyll remain competitive, im not contesting that. But theyre far from the juggernauts of that division to be favored for years to come. They desperately lack offensive playmakers, and have several very key starters at the end of their careers.
Sounds like theyre going to let Lafell walk anyway.
Which would make Ginn their #1 receiver if Smith gets injured or retires
The Panthers aren't participating in free agency or the draft this offseason
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Vanderbilt wide receiver Matthews may land with Jets #nyj: http://nyp.st/LQMYTa
No, they don't.
Steve Smith will play for at least three more seasons. Greg Olsen is a really good receiving tight end. Mike Tolbert is still incredibly underrated for some reason.
They need to bring in a receiver and a running back.
Losing Jordan Gross in a couple years is their biggest problem right now.
One thing I like is that he actually knew who was on the team and who our receivers are.
It bothers me when football players have no apparent interest in football. The players with relatives who played in the NFL always seem to know their excrement though.
Like Ryan Tannehill who doesn't even know what teams play in his division...
Tony Pauline @TonyPauline
Jets have told the agents of Calvin Pace they are very interested in bringing him back for 2014.
Tony Pauline @TonyPauline
Jets have told the agents of Calvin Pace they are very interested in bringing him back for 2014.
I think the position needs an infusion of youth and speed.
give Maybin a freaking call
Looked up a relevant stat: Calvin Pace has the 5th-most sacks in team history.
Why does every team record you post make me feel more empty inside?
Bryan Thomas is 8th.
If Pace comes back for a 1 year vet minimum deal its a no brainer.
If he wants million + a year for multiple years, give Maybin a freaking call
I think Pace/Coples/Barnes + a young player is a group id be more than comfortable with.
Having Barnes back and healthy means we could use Pace sparingly
take whatever sheckles they're going to offer Pace, and put it towards a bigger offer for Jason Worilds.
Restructure to a cap friendly deal then trade his derriere.
I hope this is Pace next year:
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Question: Who’s the player (active, non-teammate) you’d most like to see in the Super Bowl?
Winner: Adrian Peterson, running back, Minnesota Vikings
Our take: Peterson scored 59 votes (18.4 percent), narrowly defeating Atlanta Falcons tight end Tony Gonzalez (56 votes). To be honest, the voting was all over the map, as a total of 88 players received votes. Only two Jets landed in the votes column -- Mark Sanchez and Muhammad Wilkerson, each of whom received one. Yes, somewhere out there in the NFL, Sanchez has a huge admirer. You know what? After coming close to the Super Bowl in his first two seasons, then falling out of favor and wrecking his shoulder, it would be a tremendous comeback story if he made it.
Interestingly, there was no love for Peterson and Gonzalez among the Jets' voters. The leading vote getters were Michael Vick and Alex Smith, with three apiece. Believe it or not, the polarizing Tony Romo scored two votes.
Bryan Thomas is 8th.
I know I am going to regret this... can you post a top 10?
Also if Bryan Thomas is 8th, MoWilk has to be just outside the top 10 after 3 years, if he isn't already on it.
I know I am going to regret this... can you post a top 10?
Also if Bryan Thomas is 8th, MoWilk has to be just outside the top 10 after 3 years, if he isn't already on it.
How about a top 100?
Link. (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1920&year_max=2013&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=nyj&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_rec=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=sacks&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2013&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_rec=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y)
How about a top 100?
Link. (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1920&year_max=2013&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=nyj&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_rec=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=sacks&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2013&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_rec=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y)
Nice to see that the bowling ball with butcher knives rolled his way into the top 20.
How about a top 100?
Link. (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1920&year_max=2013&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=nyj&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_rec=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=sacks&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2013&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_rec=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y)
This team had no clue how to draft until Parcells showed up in the past 30 years.
That list isn't surprising.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 53m
Patriots hired former Jets assistant Dave DeGuglielmo as their O line coach #nyj
lol
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 53m
Patriots hired former Jets assistant Dave DeGuglielmo as their O line coach #nyj
lol
Some things that are sickening on that list:
Bryan Thomas being #8.
Dennis Byrd having more sacks than David Harris in half as many seasons.
David Harris having more than Klecko.
Hugh Douglas being in the top 13.
Dewayne Robertson being in the top 20.
Quinton Coples, a rookie last year, being in the top 25 all time for this team.
Klecko is where he is in part because he played much of his career before sacks were an official stat.
Restructure to a cap friendly deal then trade his derriere.
Also one of the reasons he wasn't voted into the hall of fame.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 53m
Patriots hired former Jets assistant Dave DeGuglielmo as their O line coach #nyj
lol
Gugs had one year here. Under Sparano. I don't know anything about whether he sucked or not other than he was a loud mouth.
He thought Wayne Hunter was goodI did too for 1/2 a season
Gugs had one year here. Under Sparano. I don't know anything about whether he sucked or not other than he was a loud mouth.
He had plenty of time in Miami under Sporano. They made quite a formidable pair.Well then. If all that is true, I feel good.
They drafted a bunch of linemen they could never develop. They released a young Evan Mathis when they were desperate for capable guards. They jettisoned Samson Satele because they said he couldn't play in a power blocking scheme, who then immediately had success in Hue Jackson's power blocking scheme in Oakland. (He's now with the Colts). They drafted Mike Pouncey, who struggled to learn center until both of them left. They moved Vernon Carey to right guard after he was the best right tackle in the NFL in 2010; replaced him with Marc Colombo; both had abysmal seasons.
And then those two fucktards failed upward and came to New York, and declared Wayne Hunter an elite right tackle. I recall having reservations at the time.
Now, though, Tweedle-Dum is a Patriot. I'm all smiles.
I'd freaking love it if we offered Dante Scarnecchia a million dollars to come out of retirement.
He had plenty of time in Miami under Sporano. They made quite a formidable pair.
They drafted a bunch of linemen they could never develop. They released a young Evan Mathis when they were desperate for capable guards. They jettisoned Samson Satele because they said he couldn't play in a power blocking scheme, who then immediately had success in Hue Jackson's power blocking scheme in Oakland. (He's now with the Colts). They drafted Mike Pouncey, who struggled to learn center until both of them left. They moved Vernon Carey to right guard after he was the best right tackle in the NFL in 2010; replaced him with Marc Colombo; both had abysmal seasons.
And then those two fucktards failed upward and came to New York, and declared Wayne Hunter an elite right tackle. I recall having reservations at the time.
Now, though, Tweedle-Dum is a Patriot. I'm all smiles.
I'd freaking love it if we offered Dante Scarnecchia a million dollars to come out of retirement.
Moving back to Calvin Pace... Having 10 sacks in a season is no easy task, even with our DL. People keep on saying "anyone could have had them" but the fact is that the Jets hadn't had a 10-sack player in more than a decade and we have had several top 5 defenses. Nobody should be under any delusions about him being an elite pass-rusher, and I don't think the Jets or himself are either, but he was quite serviceable for the team last season, and he should go back on a 1-year deal. His season mught have been an outlier, but we won't know until we see next season and it's not like there are 36290 options in the market.
Moving back to Calvin Pace... Having 10 sacks in a season is no easy task, even with our DL. People keep on saying "anyone could have had them" but the fact is that the Jets hadn't had a 10-sack player in more than a decade and we have had several top 5 defenses. Nobody should be under any delusions about him being an elite pass-rusher, and I don't think the Jets or himself are either, but he was quite serviceable for the team last season, and he should go back on a 1-year deal. His season mught have been an outlier, but we won't know until we see next season and it's not like there are 36290 options in the market.
Re-signing Calvin Pace is just a smart move, in my book. I know I'm in the minority on this and I truly hope to be proven wrong, but I'm just not sold on Quinton Coples yet. Re-signing Pace guarantees edge pressure in 2014.
Re-signing Calvin Pace is just a smart move, in my book. I know I'm in the minority on this and I truly hope to be proven wrong, but I'm just not sold on Quinton Coples yet. Re-signing Pace guarantees edge pressure in 2014.
Couldn't really find a thread to put this....
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/35041/seattle-east-mode-good-sign-for-jets?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
....But we have no way of knowing what Idzik is thinking!
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 6m
Asked Eric Decker if he could envision playing in NY: "I haven't thought about that." Said he was impressed by #NYJ facility
link (https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/428202979049869312)
This guy came out with another Jets FC logo.
http://www.footballasfootball.com/ny-jets
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Please stop posting these.
Decker would be a solid pickup if he shakes loose.
He's the only non-scrappy white wide receiver. Sure, why not?
We're too late, the Pats signed him during super bowl media day.
I think that he will end up wanting more money than he is worth since I would suspect a gigantic increase in his numbers/effectiveness have been made by Manning.
He's the only non-scrappy white wide receiver. Sure, why not?
Didn't even realize he was white, I don't think I've watched Denver that carefully in a long time. Knew the name but wouldn't know the guy if I ran into him.
Check out his wife:
http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php?topic=502.0 (http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php?topic=502.0)
Wow, she was hot and likely will be again some time soon.
Please stop posting these.
^Saw that earlier, looks like black Wilfred.
New nickname for Q.
Black Wilfred
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2014/02/joe-namath-agressively-tries-to-kiss-fox-news-reportr.html
ESPN New York reports the Jets hope either second-year OLs Oday Aboushi or William Campbell can step into a starting role at guard in 2014.
That would seem to be awfully wishful thinking on the Jets' part. Aboushi was a fifth-round pick out of Virginia, where he played left tackle, last April, while Campbell played defensive tackle at Michigan and was converted to offensive line after being drafted in the sixth round. Neither played a single snap in 2013. The Jets would be better off re-signing RG Willie Colon to another one-year deal.
rotoworld:
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Willie Colon is seriously injured right now. His availability for offseason camp is up in the air.
Brandon Moore was a great player for us and he was a converted defensive tackle just like Will Campbell. Maybe it will work out, maybe it won't.
I think it's pretty safe to say that the Jets won't go into 2014 with Aboushi or Campbell starting on the OL.
I thought Colon's injury just cut into a big chunk of FA time? In other words, it will cost him money, but not practice time. I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that's what I read weeks ago.
I thought Colon's injury just cut into a big chunk of FA time? In other words, it will cost him money, but not practice time. I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that's what I read weeks ago.
It's a four to six month recovery from the surgery, and that's the minimum. His ability will be a huge question mark through free agency and right up until the draft.
It is wise to move on for now, and then bring him in for training camp.
He's also on the wrong side of 30. Any injury should give us pause, especially with Colon's history.
I definitely hope he's able to come in and compete with Winters for a spot (really hoping we address the other guard spot with a known commodity in FA or a good early round prospect), but we can't count on that right now.
It's a four to six month recovery from the surgery, and that's the minimum. His ability will be a huge question mark through free agency and right up until the draft.
It is wise to move on for now, and then bring him in for training camp.
So apparently Cromartie said that the NFL should allow players to smoke weed because they're "going to do it anyway."
It was fun while it lasted Cro. Best of luck wherever you land after your inevitable suspension.
He said "were" gonna do it anyway.
Eitherway it would be his first offense, and this could only make him cheaper.
Although in reality its going to do nothing, nor will anything happen
Randy Moss admitted to smoking weed and he was fine.
@CRO31
The interview that I did on the weed policy, I never said We're I said tht Players will smoke anyway. I don't smoke so I don't care about it
Also
Yeah, I just saw that too. I still think he should keep his mouth shut about it, but it really pisses me off when "media" change or misquote what someone says.
CROMARTIE REFUSES TO ANSWER QUESTION ABOUT MARIJUANA USE
WHAT IS HE HIDING FROM REX?
Ricky Williams quit playing football because weed was more important to him.
That still blows my mind.
Ricky Williams quit playing football because weed was more important to him.
That still blows my mind.
I'm sure if his coaches (Stache)didn't run him into the ground , things might have been a little different.
New York Jets
Lost: Landry ($6m), Keller ($4.3m), DeVito ($4.2m), Greene ($3.3m), Bell ($905k), Slauson ($815k)
Signed: Goodson ($2.3m), Barnes ($1.3m)
5 – New York Jets – LaRon Landry
6 – New York Jets – Mike DeVito
6 – New York Jets – Dustin Keller
6 – New York Jets – Shonn Greene
From my limited knowledge of comp picks, I don't agree with that. Goodson will cancel out Greene as they're the same position and similar contract values, Bell was cheap and only with us for a season, and Slauson isn't on big money and probably not considered a key part of the team.
I'd guess a 5th for Landry (contract size is in our favour, but we only had him for a year), Keller might be worth a 5th given his contract size and importance and time with the team, and a 6th for DeVito.
From my limited knowledge of comp picks, I don't agree with that. Goodson will cancel out Greene as they're the same position and similar contract values, Bell was cheap and only with us for a season, and Slauson isn't on big money and probably not considered a key part of the team.
I'd guess a 5th for Landry (contract size is in our favour, but we only had him for a year), Keller might be worth a 5th given his contract size and importance and time with the team, and a 6th for DeVito.
From my limited knowledge of comp picks, I don't agree with that. Goodson will cancel out Greene as they're the same position and similar contract values, Bell was cheap and only with us for a season, and Slauson isn't on big money and probably not considered a key part of the team.
I'd guess a 5th for Landry (contract size is in our favour, but we only had him for a year), Keller might be worth a 5th given his contract size and importance and time with the team, and a 6th for DeVito.
Maybe we can find some talented head cases or talented injured players with those late picks. Maybe a small school guy. With all these late picks it would be great to find a big legged punter.
Maybe we can find some talented head cases or talented injured players with those late picks. Maybe a small school guy. With all these late picks it would be great to find a big legged punter.
Colt Lyerla
I don't want him anywhere near the Jets.
I don't want him anywhere near the Jets.
Not even a 7th rounder? I mean what are the odds that a 7th rounder ever contributes more than being a solid ST's player? Colt Lyerla actually has potential to be a very good #1 TE in this league. I will admit that he would scare the hell out me any earlier and the fact that Oregon coaches had to watch his every move is pretty terrible.I don't know anything about him, but based on your description I'd rather have a punter.
Not even a 7th rounder? I mean what are the odds that a 7th rounder ever contributes more than being a solid ST's player? Colt Lyerla actually has potential to be a very good #1 TE in this league. I will admit that he would scare the hell out me any earlier and the fact that Oregon coaches had to watch his every move is pretty terrible.
Lyerla would be the second or third best tight end in this draft without the drug problem.
He chose partying and cocaine over Oregon football. They gave him multiple chances and he quit because he didn't care.
I'm not saying he can't change, but I don't want anyone like that on an ascending team. He has locker room cancer written all over him. He doesn't care about football, and this is before he was making money.
I dont disagree. It pisses me off that someone with so much talent can just throw it away for immaturity and coke. But, I think Id be willing to take a late round (7th) flier on him and hope that a strong leader that players love like Rex and some solid veterans like Brick, Mangold, Mo, Harris, ect can straighten him out. If he fucks up just once, he's on the street again just like 70-80% of all 7th round picks.
What about Ron Powell or Trey Millard as late round picks? Both have dealt with injury (Millard more recent) but certainly have potential. Millard can do it all and would certainly be an upgrade of Bohanon.
I dont disagree. It pisses me off that someone with so much talent can just throw it away for immaturity and coke. But, I think Id be willing to take a late round (7th) flier on him and hope that a strong leader that players love like Rex and some solid veterans like Brick, Mangold, Mo, Harris, ect can straighten him out. If he fucks up just once, he's on the street again just like 70-80% of all 7th round picks.
What about Ron Powell or Trey Millard as late round picks? Both have dealt with injury (Millard more recent) but certainly have potential. Millard can do it all and would certainly be an upgrade of Bohanon.
I don't want him anywhere near the Jets.
I dont think Sanchez is likely, but if say Vick decides to stay in Philly and Schaub takes a huge paycut, McCown in Chicago etc etc. He unfortunately could be the best option, especially considering his age and his year with the offense.
Why in the hell would Michael Vick and Matt Schaub stay with their 2013 teams? Houston is in prime position to draft a new QB and Philly has Nick Foles.
Think about stuff before you say it.
Vick previously said he "wanted" to stay with Philly as a backup.
And didnt you say that the Texans could decide to draft Clowney?
If they did they might want Schaub to start another year or two while grooming a new young QB
Why would Bill O'Brien want to pay that bum to lose games for them?
More recently, he said he wants to be a starter again. And this FA QB class is so bad that he might be the best available on the open market.
They could draft a number of players. They could take a QB outside of the first too...
Why would Bill O'Brien want to pay that bum to lose games for them?
Jets hired former S Eric Smith as a coaching intern.
Smith was released by the Jets last February and never resurfaced in the NFL. Turning 31 in March, the Michigan State product is now changing careers. Smith finished his seven-year NFL stint with 36 starts and six interceptions.
GUESS WHO'S BACK.
As long as he stays off the field there is no issue with it. Maybe the 'Continental Shelf' will be a weight room intern.
Haha that nickname is hilariously bad.
Also Smith not on the field is a good thing, but I never got the sense he was a very heady player so I'll be curious to see how his foray into coaching works out for him.
Smith is smart, borderline brilliant and is largely considered the smartest Jet on the team. The seventh year veteran reads Greek Mythology for fun and got his masters degree several years ago.
He’s also the player that all new members of the secondary turns to in order to understand the defense. Smith likened studying the playing book to understanding biology and in particular cellular respiration.
Wasnt he the QB of the defense when we let Leonhard go ?
Heres an article about Smith 2-3 years ago from one of the beat writers
http://thejetsblog.com/reports/brainiac-eric-smith-studying-a-playbook-is-like-cellular-respiration/
(I was going to cut out the part about him getting his masters degree, but fine)
Ah consider me corrected then.
But I'm curious in the analogy he created where Rex Ryan Defensive Playbook = Cellular Respiration. As a science guy, I'd find that one pretty interesting.
“Things start from one thing and kind of evolve from another thing. Things keep adding up, the concepts are related like the cells splitting and reproducing,” Smith told The Jets Blog. “In that way, it reminds me a lot of cellular respiration.”
Sounds like an inarticulate college freshman comparing everything he observes to a lecture he just heard.
This potato salad is mad Jungian, bro.
"guys, here's how you blitz a slow white fullback masquerading as a QB"
Free agent DT Vaughn Martin recently visited the Lions and Jets.
Ex-Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland gave Martin a two-year, $4 million deal that included $750,000 guaranteed last March only to release him in November after he underwent sports hernia surgery. Martin is said to be fully recovered. The soon-to-be 28-year-old won't command any guaranteed money this go-around.
Obvious question is obvious.
Obvious question is obvious.
http://fansided.com/2014/02/12/nfl-rumors-new-york-jets-signing-matt-schaub/#!vHgjl
I love the media. One guy says the Jets may check out Schaub, another runs with it, and we are interested.
PFF reviews the current roster:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/02/17/projected-lineups-new-york-jets/
Coples looks low, Cro looks high. Wilson looks low for his role. I think it's pretty realistic overall, although obviously it'll look very different after cuts/resignings.
PFF reviews the current roster:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/02/17/projected-lineups-new-york-jets/
Coples looks low, Cro looks high. Wilson looks low for his role. I think it's pretty realistic overall, although obviously it'll look very different after cuts/resignings.
Coples created a ton of Havoc last year. He just didn't finish, and PFF is based on results. I can recall 3 missed sacks, which would have significantly increased his rating. In addition, Coples was injured making a position change. I think he will be more than adequate.
If we went into 2014 with Campbell/Aboushi as the right side of the OL, I'd be convinced the team was trying to kill Geno and collect a life insurance payout.
Geno Smith is working out with former NFL QB Chris Weinke this offseason.
Smith also worked out with Weinke in the run up to last year's Combine. Weinke tutored Cam Newton in 2011. It's only notable in that Smith appears to be taking every step in trying to improve on his shaky rookie campaign. It's possible the Jets will push Smith with a veteran free agent or draft pick, but he's the heavy favorite to be under center in Week 1.
Championship.
Actually, the draw of PFF is that they grade players indifferent to the "results." They place a lot of value on quarterback pressures that don't result in sacks. The bottom line is that while rushing the quarterback- frequently against a single blocker- Coples created a very modest amount of havoc last year.
I support this.
Weinke is a great position coach.
a) Sanchez is too expensive to be here next season
b) Even if he is here, the word you're looking for is "competition"
RichCimini Rich Cimini
Jets GM John Idzik asked about Darrelle Revis: "Who?" #Jets
Thats probably not the best way to answer a question in the NY media.
Manish: Irate Idzik Blasts Mevi$ at Combine
Manish- "John Idzik eat's Darelle Revis' unborn and then lights a bus full of nuns on fire."
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fugly hooters waitresses are fugly.
Considering what Indianapolis has to work with I'd say Hooters did OK.
Vick's experience and professionalism is seen as a positive for Jets quarterback Geno Smith
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 32m
Based on conversations this week, it’s clear the #Jets are viewed as a legitimate possible landing spot for #Eagles QB Michael Vick.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000328766/article/jets-a-legitimate-possible-landing-spot-for-michael-vick
freak. Right. Off.
NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday that, based on conversations in the past week, it's clear the Jets are viewed as a legitimate possible landing spot for the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback, according to sources informed of the Jets' thinking.
I heard things might happen to or near people. Maybe.
I don't want to have to pull for Vick. I'd rather ride with Geno.
Is it the dog thing mostly?Honestly, yeah.
I haven't been to many of their locations, but the best looking group of girls I saw was at the one near Hempstead where the Jets practiced at Hofstra. This was over a decade ago, that location is closed now.
Is it the dog thing mostly?
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/02/nfl_combine_jets_trainers_perform_cpr_on_ailing_elderly_airplane_passenger_in_newark.html
3. Sanchez saga: The Jets met with Mark Sanchez's reps to discuss the quarterback's future. Nothing was settled, but Sanchez will be rehabbing in New Jersey this week, giving the Jets a chance to monitor his surgically-repaired throwing shoulder. One source said the chances of Sanchez returning are about 20 to 30 percent. Obviously, he'd have to accept a large pay cut. Look for this to play out until March 25, when a $2 million roster bonus is due -- or until they find his replacement.
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dcm with his TDK wig on
Sanchez's upside at this point is probably very limited.
I'd take McCown over Sanchez. Easily.
I hate hijacking the misc thread with Sanchez arguments, but my preference for the QB to compete with Smith next year is:
McCown > Sanchez > a rookie > Schaub > Testaverde > Vick
I hate hijacking the misc thread with Sanchez arguments, but my preference for the QB to compete with Smith next year is:
McCown > Sanchez > a rookie > Schaub > Testaverde > Vick
Let Sanchez test the market, then offer him an incentive based contract that allows him to cash in if he becomes the starter and takes the team to the playoffs.
Umm, McCown is 34, upside?
Umm, McCown is 34, upside?
If there is any indication that Sanchez can win his way into January, I'd say don't let him go anywhere.
To let him test the market means we've had to release him, which means we've lost money already. Once he's cut, I don't think there's any reason to bring him back. If you're not convinced he has enough to renegotiate his money down this year, he hasn't shown you enough to bring him back after losing dead money on him.
The entire key for me is to get his money down below what he costs to cut. If you can't do that, cut bait altogether and move on.
Sanchez is probably the best free agent QB on the market
Completely disagree
If he wasn't coming back from the surgery, maybe. But teams will prefer Matt Schaub.
Sanchez is younger with a shedload more upside. Schaub is a #2 to carry a clipboard, mentor a rookie and step in in case of injury, Sanchez is a potential #1.
Phil Simms: "I think if Geno Smith were in this draft class, he'd be the number one (QB)" #ScheinOnSports
Okay, back to actual tweets for a sec...
I like Simms, but what?
Schaub doesn't have peanuts for brains.
Simms is just happy the Jets provide his kid with a paycheck.
Oh my...
Simms went on to say this is the worst group of [QB] bodies he's been around in 20 years of covering the Combine.
I thought Jaws was crazy this morning when he said Manziel is a third round QB. Phil Simms has officially lost his damn mind.
Maybe Simms thinks it's still 2013.
Phil Simms on Andre Luck, Nov. 2011: “But the one thing I don’t see, I just don’t see big time NFL throws. I don’t care what anybody says. I’ve watched a lot of him."
Phil Simms is the white Warren Sapp.
Maybe he should have been watching Andrew instead of Andre.
Schaub doesn't have peanuts for brains.
Umm..... did you see Matt Schaub attempting to play football last season? He's one of the biggest reasons that a team tipped to go deep in the postseason last year finds itself with the #1 pick in this draft.
Did you see Mark Sanchez play football last year? No, because he missed the entire season with a serious injury to his throwing shoulder.
Did you see him play in 2011 and 2012? Awful player.
Did you see Mark Sanchez play football last year? No, because he missed the entire season with a serious injury to his throwing shoulder.
Did you see him play in 2011 and 2012? Awful player.
Sanchez is probably the best free agent QB on the market and he's going to get interest from elsewhere. I can see him refusing to restructure, getting cut and testing the market - I think he'll stand a good chance of winning a starting job somewhere without the baggage he has here.
2011 Sanchez would have brought the 2013 Jets to the playoffs.
only if he had the 2011 run game and 2011 defense to help carry his derriere.
...the 2011 run game, with a whopping 3.8 ypc.
-_-
No one was carrying Sanchez in 2011. He had negative help.
The run game was effective in 2009, 2010 and 2013.
2011-12 it was crap.
let's start up the Sanchez argument again. I've got some time to kill.
I don't really care. He needs to go...that's all.
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A source tells PFT that Santonio Holmes will be cut soon.
As expected. Holmes has a $1 million roster bonus due on March 13 and carries a $10.75 camp number. The Jets can save $9.25 million against the cap by releasing an oft-injured, locker room cancer that has been wildly unproductive ever since signing a $45 million contract in 2011. In four seasons with the Jets, Holmes has totaled 146 catches for 2,128 yards and 16 touchdowns. They're going to completely overhaul their wideout corps this offseason through free agency and the draft. PFT suggests the Rams, Cardinals and Steelers as possible landing spots for Holmes.
And no, the freaking Steelers aren't a possible landing spot for Holmes, PFT. Dumbasses.
Nor should the Rams be. No love lost between Holmes and Schotty.
Maybe Cleveland?
The most interesting opinion: "I think if Geno Smith was in this draft class he would be the number one guy, without question."
According to Brian Costello, the Jets want to bring Leger Douzable back in 2014. Solid move. He was a nice role player for us.
According to Brian Costello, the Jets want to bring Leger Douzable back in 2014. Solid move. He was a nice role player for us.
Wild rumors......
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 19m
Mark Sanchez apartment hunting in NYC? Does this mean he expects to remain a Jet? #Jets http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/36208/report-sanchez-apartment-hunting-in-nyc …
TWITTER WAR!
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN
Mark Sanchez wasn't even in NY this week, so I'm not sure how he could be checking out a loft in Tribeca. #nyj
Im trying to be patient, but Im starting to wonder when we will see Cro, Holmes and even Sanchez cut and the resigning of Howard. I dont know how we could possibly go into FA without having Howard already locked up. That would be a terrible mistake IMO, even if we have to slightly over pay him.
Im trying to be patient, but Im starting to wonder when we will see Cro, Holmes and even Sanchez cut and the resigning of Howard. I dont know how we could possibly go into FA without having Howard already locked up. That would be a terrible mistake IMO, even if we have to slightly over pay him.
I expect Holmes and Cromartie to get released by the end of the weekend. Maybe a surprise cut as well.
They better not cut Schlauderaff.
Do you have anyone in mind? Besides Harris and Goodson, I could conceive of them cutting Dawan Landry. Anything else and I would be completely taken off guard.
TOJ reporting obvious news and acting like they're breaking it.
"SANTONIO HOLMES WILL BE RELEASED. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST! #TOJ #MIKEDONNELLY"
"Darrin Walls is gonna make you forget all about Holmes, fam."
Im trying to be patient, but Im starting to wonder when we will see Cro, Holmes and even Sanchez cut and the resigning of Howard. I dont know how we could possibly go into FA without having Howard already locked up. That would be a terrible mistake IMO, even if we have to slightly over pay him.
We have until the 25th to do something with Sanchez. There is no hurry. They will probably shop him.
We don't know what Howard's demands are, and if they are ludicrous, let him hit free agency, and then match.
Turn on the Jets successfully got me to click on their site with their Holmes "story" and they have a new article up where one of them says he'd be happy if the Jets got Jared Abbrederis at 18, especially over Cooks and OBJ.
If that happened, I might "turn" on the Jets.
Turn on the Jets successfully got me to click on their site with their Holmes "story" and they have a new article up where one of them says he'd be happy if the Jets got Jared Abbrederis at 18, especially over Cooks and OBJ.
Turn on the Jets successfully got me to click on their site with their Holmes "story" and they have a new article up where one of them says he'd be happy if the Jets got Jared Abbrederis at 18, especially over Cooks and OBJ.
I came here to post about this. Didn't read the article, just saw the tweet and my god what an idiot.
Holy excrement, I didnt know that this Mike O'Connor hasnt even graduated freaking high school. Alrighty then.
A while back he said that the Jets will consider Michael Campanaro at 18, according to Campanaro's cousin.
fam sources
What an absolute piece of excrement article. I didn't bother going further than the bit where he explained the meaning of the word "judicious", even ignoring the condescension he's apparently dumb enough to think that any GM would say anything other than the incredibly anodyne statement made by Idzik. "Well, to be honest I think the draft's a complete lottery, so I intend to dump picks whenever possible, be incredibly profligate in free agency, make sure we go into each season without a single spare dime of space and just keep my fingers crossed that everything just sort of figures itself out."
I don't know who Eric Allen is but I'd like to thump him in the nose.
1.) How do you not know who Eric Allen is?
2.) You realize it's from NYJets.com, right? Meaning they're not gonna print something widely speculative on the website
1.) How do you not know who Eric Allen is?
I have no idea who he is, but that was just a fluff, feel good article.
I'm positive you know who he is. He's basically the only guy who does every video/post game interview on the Jets website for the past few years. Has a bit of an accent
A: $6+ million AAV (annual average value), 3+ years guaranteed moneyPut Cumberland as a B, Folk and Howard as a C
B: $2 million-$6 million AAV, 2 years or fewer guaranteed money
C: $2 million or less AAV, 2 years or fewer guaranteed money
D: Minimum salary, 1 year contract
A former college wide receiver, Cumberland has filled out his frame enough to become a move tight end who can be flexed out and detached from the line of scrimmage. He has good straight-line speed to stretch the seam and extend the field vertically. He is a work in progress as a blocker who can be a useful No. 2 tight end who can improve the passing attack in the red zone with his good catch radius. He's not an ideal starter, but he also won't be a detriment to an offense. An improving player.
Howard made strides during the 2013 regular season, improving as a full-time starter for the Jets as a right tackle. He has a massive frame and wingspan, as he entered the NFL at nearly 350 pounds (he has since trimmed down). Howard can struggle with quickness from opposing edge rushers but is sufficient as a space player and can be a starting right tackle. He should continue to improve.
With about $30 million in cap room, which will grow to $38 million as soon as they cut Santonio Holmes (which will happen any minute now)
From Cimini
Sounds like Holmes could be gone by the end of the day
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 3m
As of this second, Santonio Holmes is still a #NYJ. ...that'll change soon tho.
According to TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline, the Jets intend to "lessen the load" on Geno Smith in his second NFL season, and hope to keep Smith "under 20 passes per game."
Pauline is mostly a draft guru, but gets a fair number of NFL team scoops. He says the Jets plan to re-implement "a more run oriented offense in 2014 in an attempt to exploit their strengths." They obviously don't consider Geno a strength. The Jets played this style of offense for years with Mark Sanchez at the helm, and qualified for two AFC Championship games. They'll attempt to "hide" their quarterback with a strong defense and higher-volume rushing attack.
I think I'm gonna need to stay up on twitter more. Who are the best Jet sources to follow that you guys like?
Well like is a different story...
but
Manish Mehta
Rich Cimini
Kristian Dyer
Dennis Waszak Jr.
Brian Costello
Seth Walder
Steiny31
Are the most useful
Mehta and Walder are redundant.
Heismanberg took a great shot at Manish later that day. I actually lol'd.
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Mehta sucks. Everything he's said during the first few days of free agency has been dead wrong.
"Emmanuel Sanders will visit. THEY ARE TALKING!!!1!"
"Emmanuel Sanders isn't visiting. Scheduling conflict, I'm told."
"Brandon Pettigrew will sign shortly" *Pettigrew signs almost 24 hours later*
Antwan Barnes @AntwanBarnes42 17sOnly paying him $1.5 million this year. He was solid before injury. He and Pace can hold down that spot this year if he's healthy.
"@mikebarry13: @AntwanBarnes42 Hows the knee feeling man??"-----it's great man.....feel like I can run a 4.4 again.....lol
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 7m
An agent told me the other day that Idzik "won't budge an inch" in negotiations. I think we're seeing that. #nyj
Delaying gratification is a healthier approach to life and free agency.
You'll all see when we sign Cromartie back next week. It's gonna feel great.for 37 cents and a used rubber.
I am not a fan of that approach. Every negotiation has give and take. Not a reputation you want to build. IMO. "won't budge an inch" is pretty vague though.
I am not a fan of that approach. Every negotiation has give and take. Not a reputation you want to build. IMO. "won't budge an inch" is pretty vague though.
Only paying him $1.5 million this year. He was solid before injury. He and Pace can hold down that spot this year if he's healthy.
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 25mWoody Johnson employees not named Idzik areManish not happy with Idzik. One just told me Idzik "operates on his own time & schedule.isn't predictable enough for me to understand. Unbelievable"
Fixing Mehta's tweets.
Manish Mehta
Friend of Rex Ryan chimes in on news Jets couldn't land Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (or any legit CB in free agency): "Rex is pissed." #nyj
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How many stop gaps do we have in addition to holes?
We have a lot more holes exiting FA than I anticipated (granted, FA is completely over, but I doubt we sign anyone significant).
It's driving me nuts. This is a team littered with holes, lacking in talent across the board, and we have signed 2 guys to this roster while countless others have walked. I'm not saying they need to be high priced guys, but we do need to bring in guys and we need to bring in talent. Right now, we aren't really doing that.
What talent would we have brought in without severely overpaying for?
This isn't a team that can afford to gamble on overpriced players this off-season. You bring your talent in through the draft. They have 12 picks this year, they'll make something work there.
What talent would we have brought in without severely overpaying for?
This isn't a team that can afford to gamble on overpriced players this off-season. You bring your talent in through the draft. They have 12 picks this year, they'll make something work there.
But hang on. I have been told repeatedly on this very website that Idzik has a firm and stated strategy that we fill holes in FA, and draft BPA. Seeing as we haven't filled holes in FA - indeed we have more holes now than we had at the start of free agency - we have a problem, because we can't guarantee to fill them in the draft either. After all, BPA is BPA. If the Best Player Available is a defensive tackle, then we take a defensive tackle.
Are you saying that we're already abandoning that strategy and that we're going to use the draft to fill holes? Or are you saying that that was never the strategy at all? It almost starts to feel like no-one really knows what they're doing....
lol wont budge an inch isnt vague its pretty descriptive.
the question at hand is the validity of this, maybe this came from someone who thought they were going to milk us for every penny of market value beyond the actual talent of their client.
too early to tell. the FA's of any quality had no intention of coming here so its not like we lost a legitimate bidding war over a star worth paying a slightly inflated rate
we will find out with future FA classes and contract discussions.
To name a few guys who have signed elsewhere, that I don't believe constitute over payments in any sense. There contracts are per rotoworld.
Dexter McCluster (Signed three-year, $9M deal with TEN)
T.J. Ward (Signed four-year, $23M deal with DEN)
Darren McFadden (1 yr 1.75M deal with OAK)
John Carlson (Signed two-year, $4.65M deal with ARZ)
John Asamoah (Signed five-year, $22.5M deal with ATL)
Walter Thurmond (Signed one-year, $3.5M deal with NYG)
All of those guys would have helped out roster out in terms of talent. None of these guys got a deal of $6 million per year or more, in fact, most are on deals less than $4M annually.
Obviously we couldn't have signed all of these guys. Some of them had different wants that we couldn't offer (like being a legit contender this year), but you can't argue these guys couldn't have helped the talent level on our roster, and none of them are "bank-breakers." Obviously, Idzik has his plan, and these guys (at least at this cost) weren't in it. He does have to do something with all of our money, and sitting on it, and just holding it in the bank isn't going to do anybody any good.
To name a few guys who have signed elsewhere, that I don't believe constitute over payments in any sense. There contracts are per rotoworld.
Dexter McCluster (Signed three-year, $9M deal with TEN)
T.J. Ward (Signed four-year, $23M deal with DEN)
Darren McFadden (1 yr 1.75M deal with OAK)
John Carlson (Signed two-year, $4.65M deal with ARZ)
John Asamoah (Signed five-year, $22.5M deal with ATL)
Walter Thurmond (Signed one-year, $3.5M deal with NYG)
All of those guys would have helped out roster out in terms of talent. None of these guys got a deal of $6 million per year or more, in fact, most are on deals less than $4M annually.
Obviously we couldn't have signed all of these guys. Some of them had different wants that we couldn't offer (like being a legit contender this year), but you can't argue these guys couldn't have helped the talent level on our roster, and none of them are "bank-breakers." Obviously, Idzik has his plan, and these guys (at least at this cost) weren't in it. He does have to do something with all of our money, and sitting on it, and just holding it in the bank isn't going to do anybody any good.
Right now its a bit premature to assume Idzik is an poopchute and doesn't know what he's doing but i'll hold off judgement on him until he's actually had a few years to clean up the shitstorm Tanny left for him.
Mcfadden signed for 4 million
We signed Decker instead of McCluster (and tried to get better players, plus likely draft 1-2 wrs EARLY in the draft)
Carlson didnt make the most sense for us to sign. We already have Cumberland + Sudfeld. If we bring in a 3rd TE he better not have screaming red flags for health. Or well have to cut someone that we like (which we could currently cut Sudfeld if we get good value in the draft)
Asamoahs old GM who drafted him got sent to Atlanta. If you thought we were stealing him youre crazy
Thurmond is probably overpaid, and just got suspended 4 games this recent season.
Ward- Rex dont need a 6m/yr SS. If Byrd was available for that money (or slightly more) id give you that one. But Rex turns nobodys into solid in the box SS
Like I said took the deals from Rotoworld, I thought McFadden got more, but either way still fits the mold of my list, $4M men or less.
By all accounts we wanted to sign 2 WRs and draft 1 early and possibly one more later on. McCluster would have been an excellent 2nd FA WR/return man/gadget player.
We wanted 2 TEs in FA so we didn't feel forced to find a way to get Ebron on draft day. Carlson would have given us that. Also we will have 3 TE's on the roster on opening day, so Sudfeld (who at this point is nothing special) could be kept if we had brought in Carlson and then jettisoned if we drafted a rookie.
Asamoah we wouldn't have stolen away at that price, but up it a couple million and maybe we got a shot. Either way, my list was to point out that there was/were guys on the market that we could bring in for a reasonable price that were going to improve our roster. Asamoah fits that list. Also I said there was no way we were getting everybody, the point was to make a list to prove it wasn't either overpay or sign nobody, there are people in the middle ground that we could have gotten, but did not and have not to this point.
Thurmond is on a 1 year prove-it deal, that with all our money, we could afford to give him this year while we search for a long-term #2 opposite Milliner.
As for Ward, maybe Rex doesn't need a big money safety, but you can't argue Ward as a big upgrade to our corps. His contract was for $5.5M annually with all of his guarantees used up in the first 3 years aka before he is 29. Again, just proving a point that talent can be added without destroying your future. Add to the fact he signed for almost half of what Byrd got, and you can't say it isn't a value deal for Denver.
Manish trolling Idzik because he has no sources.
Manish Mehta
Source: Jets have had discussions with OL Willie Colon's camp to bring him back. Solid veteran presence. Rehabbing torn biceps tendon. #nyj
7:50PM EDT
Manish Mehta
Willie Colon's preference is to return with the Jets, as he stated late last season. He has drawn some interest from others though #nyj
7:54PM EDT
McFaddens 4m is from Roto
We wanted Sanders over McCluster. Didnt happen, we werent interested. We could still find another, and grab 2 in the draft. I for one would prefer 2 in the draft than signing McCluster. After all this is an epic year to draft WRs, so whats the big deal with drafting a couple.
We wont be forced to get Ebron draft day. Right now we have Sudfeld + Cumberland. We likely add another decent body (im hoping for Ed Dickson). That way we have a respectable group of 3, and if the opportunity presents itself we can easily draft someone (if the values there) and cut Sudfeld if we need to. Not a terrible situation by any means. Someone like Carlson wouldve been a huge health risk, possibly forcing Sudfeld/rookie into a starting role across from Cumberland. Not ideal.
And I still dont want Thurmond/Ward
We didn't get Sanders because we didn't want to pay his asking price. McCluster signed for cheaper and fills multiple roles. But like you said, we didn't want him.
Also do you seriously want Zach motherfucking-Sudfeld as our #2 TE next year? Because that guy is essentially worthless a #3 TE who will be out of the NFL in 2 years barring a major lightbulb moment for him. We need another Te, either its Ebron, Amaro or it's Niklas in the draft, but we gotta get somebody.
I don't give a flying freak if you didn't want Thurmond or Ward, that doesn't mean they weren't guys we could have signed to minimal deals to help improve our roster this year.
That was the point of the list afterall Ornstein wanted to know a list of people we could have signed without breaking the bank, I gave him several names, all making less than $6M per and most making $4M or less.
Do we have a decent blocking TE? Do we even need one?
We need one until we have a capable QB.. Sheldon Richardson doesn't need a blocker.
Do we have a decent blocking TE? Do we even need one?
Rich Cimini
Jets are interested in re-signing G Willie Colon, per source. Others teams showing interest. Could have a deal in a few days. #nyj
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Manishilla Mehta
Source: Jets have had discussions with OL Willie Colon's camp to bring him back. Solid veteran presence. Rehabbing torn biceps tendon. #nyj
7:50PM EDT
Anyone heard anthing with regards to resigning Willie Colon?
Manish Mehta
Source: Jets have had discussions with OL Willie Colon's camp to bring him back. Solid veteran presence. Rehabbing torn biceps tendon. #nyj
7:50PM EDT
Manish Mehta
Willie Colon's preference is to return with the Jets, as he stated late last season. He has drawn some interest from others though #nyj
7:54PM EDT
Rich Cimini
Jets are interested in re-signing G Willie Colon, per source. Others teams showing interest. Could have a deal in a few days. #nyj
9:13PM EDT
You can do that if you like, but it doesn't make you any less biased than you think Manish is. I don't have much time for him but eventually you have to wonder where the smoke is coming from if there isn't a fire.
And were it just Manish tweeting such things, I might be more inclined to agree with you.
More troublemaking by Manish:
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 4s
League source on Jets: "Don't count on them getting Cromartie. They're not being very aggressive." #nyj
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN
Woody Johnson employees not named Idzik are not happy with Idzik. One just told me Idzik "operates on his own time & schedule. Unbelievable"
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN
Friend of Rex Ryan chimes in on news Jets couldn't land Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (or any legit CB in free agency): "Rex is pissed." #nyj
MMehtaNYDNManish Mehta
Jets had Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie in its building first. Let him out. Giants took advantage. Bottom line: John Idzik blew this one #nyj
Sure. What I said was that there's no smoke without fire, especially when he isn't the only one reporting it. Costello was also the one reporting that Idzik refuses to negotiate. Someone else (could have been LaCanfora) was reporting the other day that Idzik's tactics were being question by "a source".
Maybe they're all making it up. Maybe they've all got it in for him. Maybe it's all the nasty horrible media. Or maybe the fourth choice rookie GM hasn't quite figured out how to do his job yet.
I'm actually with JohnnyE on this one. At first I admit I was letting Manish get me stirred up and then I kind of took a step back and said to myself "It's just Manish being Manish." But other reporters are starting chime in with like arguments.
Sorry, but there is definitely smoke. The question is how big is the fire.
A source tells me it's a towering inferno. #nyj
I'm actually with JohnnyE on this one. At first I admit I was letting Manish get me stirred up and then I kind of took a step back and said to myself "It's just Manish being Manish." But other reporters are starting chime in with like arguments.
Well, Idzik and Rex are together at Florida State's pro day today. I doubt they flew separately.
From the Newsday beat reporters:
FYI on Jets: At this point in '13, they looked like a 2-14 team. Revis still unresolved, huge roster issues. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
Stop being rational, Bob! We're apparently supposed to be killing the GM on March 18th. Didn't u get the memo???
From the Post beat reporter:
You don't know at this point. Let him finish his work. Not all good players are found in FA. See: Damon Harrison.
From ESPN Jets broadcaster
I get Jets fans frustration..it's way more fun when your team is throwing $ around..It's just that that rarely works..
There are other mechanisms to get players..10-12 draft picks, other teams cuts, draft day trades, etc..the roster is far from set
MMehtaNYDNManish Mehta
John Idzik and Rex are at Florida State's Pro Day together #nyj
MMehtaNYDNManish Mehta
Friend of Rex Ryan chimes in on news: "Rex flew separately." #nyj
The reporters such as Costello and Wischusen are being pretty fair and balanced, and they're right. They're also expressing some concerns. I realise that doesn't sit well in the Eternal Sunshine of the JO Hivemind, but it's not unreasonable to think that things are not going as well as they might.
Eternal Sunshine of the JO Hivemind? Come on...
Wasn't Idzik coming from Louisville? Not sure I'd necessarily expect him to swing via New York to pick Rex up.pretty sure puck made that up.
Eternal Sunshine of the JO Hivemind? Come on...
Eternal Sunshine of the JO Hivemind? Come on...
From the Newsday beat reporters:
FYI on Jets: At this point in '13, they looked like a 2-14 team. Revis still unresolved, huge roster issues. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
Stop being rational, Bob! We're apparently supposed to be killing the GM on March 18th. Didn't u get the memo???
From the Post beat reporter:
You don't know at this point. Let him finish his work. Not all good players are found in FA. See: Damon Harrison.
From ESPN Jets broadcaster
I get Jets fans frustration..it's way more fun when your team is throwing $ around..It's just that that rarely works..
There are other mechanisms to get players..10-12 draft picks, other teams cuts, draft day trades, etc..the roster is far from set
pretty sure puck made that up.
http://m.metro.us/newyork/sports/nfl/2014/03/18/source-jets-deliberately-taking-measured-approach-free-agents/
http://m.metro.us/newyork/sports/nfl/2014/03/18/source-jets-deliberately-taking-measured-approach-free-agents/
Hivemind = "everyone disagrees with me so it must be them"
a coach whose new contract's salary is conditionally based on playoff wins is still an issue.
This site is incredibly sunshiney.
We should have resigned Laron Landry but Idzik was a janitor for the Seahawks
/realist
I think I sharted after reading this. Must check shorts.
You might be able to find a starting guard in there.
Keep me calling me a sunshiner because I understand what the word "rebuild" means and that it will take time.
Do you agree with my problem with the coaching situation then?
How long have you actively rooted for the Jets? I'm not trying to be a dick, this is a serious question.
It seems like the people that are the most upset (for lack of a better word) are the ones that expect this team to be something that it isn't. The fans that got used to this team being in the playoffs or right on the outside looking - that's what the Jets have been for most of the 2000s.
It's 1997 for me. That's when I was 10 years old and first started to actually care about the NFL, the New York Jets, and the NFL Draft. 17 seasons. I'd say three of them have been complete disasters: 2003, 2005, and 2007. There are dudes on this site that have watched twice as much of this team, but my generation has been incredibly fortunate.
Since 1997, this team has only had four seasons under .500 and we have fans like you complaining about what this team is/isn't doing in a rebuild. It's a rebuild. This is the longest playoff drought we've had in 17 years. That's a long damn time. It's only a three season stretch.
Let this process play out. Our former GM buried this team in a deep hole. If it gets up to five years, then I'll expect people to start acting like you. But not right now. Complaining about this after our garbage roster went 8-8 in 2013 is hilarious to me.
Keep me calling me a sunshiner because I understand what the word "rebuild" means and that it will take time.
This not only perfectly encapsulates what I wanted to say, but also speaks to why I get so frustrated at the, "Jets are a joke roflmao buttfumble lol" mentality. Compared to our history, and some other organizations around the NFL, the Jets have been reasonably successful. Certainly not to the level of the Patriots, Steelers or Giants, but to me a joke right now is the Cowboys with the way they continue to do business by kicking the can down the road and perpetually being in cap hell. Throw the rings in my face if you want, but 1 playoff win in 15 years is freaking terrible. Bills are a joke. Browns are a joke. The Raiders since 2003 have been a dysfunctional mess.
Furthermore, exactly what free agent besides Revis is everyone pissed off about? DRC, Davis and Talib have all had either effort issues, or issues where they pop off a round at their baby mama. I wouldn't have minded Davis at the contract he got, but he chose to stay where he was. Ask Eagles fans about DRC's affinity for effort or tackling. It's funny how no one bitched when we didn't sign him last year when it would've been cheap to do so, but now every airmchair GM is furious we didn't give him 7 mil a year. Talib is an injury-prone headache who got way overpaid.
Anyone want to pay Byrd a ridiculous 9 million a year? Or Whitner 7? We all would've loved TJ Ward at his contract, but the fact is teams that are a piece away like the Broncos have put themselves in a position where theyre an attractive destination for guys to take less. We aren't there yet. I'm more then ok waiting out the market and possibly getting a guys like Davin Joseph, Cris Clemons, Dmitri Patterson or Thomas Decoud on a really cheap deal.
Anyone else enjoy the fact that when it comes time to give Mo Wilk that new deal they'll have the money to actually keep a stud here?
The Jets brought the number 1 wr on the market in on their terms and price. So I don't buy into this notion that they're gun shy, afraid to do a big deal, or are inept at negotiating/slow to do business. To me this seems right now like a sensible FO that's willing to let the name-players get overpaid, and look for the bargains.
To me this off-season was always about surrounding Geno with enough weapons to allow the FO to make an accurate determination of where he's at, and whether he can be the guy. After the Decker signing, I feel as though they're closer to reaching that goal. The FO clearly sees guys like Cumberland, Winters and Allen as ascending players. So why overpay on guys that will clog the depth chart, and not allow the team to really see what some of these guys can bring to the table?
AFC is a two horse race with Indy lurking in the background. Why would they spend like a team that feels as though we have a franchise QB on a closing window and we're a player away? That's not where this team is at.
I do agree with the notion that if what I said above truly is the front office's focus, that barring a total meltdown and regression across the board Rex needs to get a free pass this year.
That he's setting him up to fail? No, I don't.
That wasn't the point. How do you equate a long term rebuild with a coach having to win in order to keep his job? Either you give the coach the security to develop players as part of a long term plan, or you fill the holes to enable him to win in the short term. It feels like we're doing neither.
Ryan is down one starter from his 2013 defense, and that guy could still be re-signed. With the rest of free agency, double-digit draft picks, and offseason cuts still to come, this team will be better on paper heading into 2014.
Reed isn't under contract, or am I missing something?
He only "started" five games.
Ryan is just a piece of the puzzle that can be removed if things don't go well in 2014. Whoever comes in (if Ryan is fired) will have an ascending roster with little to no cap concerns.
He's had security long enough. It's time to see what he does with his back against the wall. If the rumors are true about him whining about not getting a corner, he needs to take a look around first. The offense is the problem here and he is a big reason for those issues. He isn't a coordinator.
Like I said, this roster will be better on paper heading into 2014. There wasn't much turnover. If the team falls off, it's on him.
Ryan is just a piece of the puzzle that can be removed if things don't go well in 2014. Whoever comes in (if Ryan is fired) will have an ascending roster with little to no cap concerns.
He's had security long enough. It's time to see what he does with his back against the wall.
We just saw that in 2013, he didn't have security then, he had to basically win his job back. Rex is more than just a piece of the puzzle, he's key to the whole thing.
Did we not see what he did with his back to the wall last season?I don't like you, you're a drunk, belligerent player of the pink oboe that happens to be English, that said, I agree with the bolded.
It's blatantly obvious that the offense is the problem, but it's my recollection and one that appears to be shared (judging by conversations earlier today) that the collapse of the offense was in no small part due to the previous GM going somewhat insane and breaking up the best receiving corps we've seen in a long time. No argument that Rex has made his mistakes on that side - his loyalty to Schottenheimer and the Sparano fiasco - but with an OC in place who looks like he knows what he's doing, this looks like a coaching staff finding its feet again after a couple of pretty horrible years.
I'm still not sure I see the head coach as being just another replaceable part, at least not that easily. The ideas of long term rebuild and short term coaching seem somewhat incompatible to me.
Did we not see what he did with his back to the wall last season?
I'm still not sure I see the head coach as being just another replaceable part, at least not that easily. The ideas of long term rebuild and short term coaching seem somewhat incompatible to me.
We'll see if you're still saying that in December.
Who am I kidding? You'll blame Woody Johnson and John Idzik for trading Darrelle Revis.
You really can't get your head around someone having a different opinion, can you? I'm over the Revis thing, although it certainly isn't Rex's fault that he's in New England and not here. We have cap space though, that will help us in December, huh?
"Let's blow our entire salary cap on cornerbacks"
Beat a couple of excrement teams with a excrement team.
Signing your best player isn't blowing your whole cap, we have almost $30 million we're not using. CBs are getting paid if you look around, must be worth something. It's a passing league.
New England? New Orleans? That's not an entirely fair statement.
New England? New Orleans? That's not an entirely fair statement.
Nope. Facts don't fit the narrative though.
Signing your best player isn't blowing your whole cap, we have almost $30 million we're not using. CBs are getting paid if you look around, must be worth something. It's a passing league.
we have almost $30 million we're not using.
Last time I checked, Week 7 and Week 9 weren't at the end of the season. His job wasn't being questioned until the Jets were out of the playoff hunt.
Facts destroying your whiny, fictional view of this franchise.
It's only been a week into free agency.
I understand that but there's certainly enough space there to at least inquire about Revis before signed with the Pats for $12 million, especially when we need CBs.
Maybe he could have gotten on his knees and licked Revis 's balls? Do you think he would've come here then?
Sounds like your negotiating technique is different than mine. If I had $30 million in cap space and needed a corner, I'd at least have listened to what's going on when he got released.
Sounds like your negotiating technique is different than mine. If I had $30 million in cap space and needed a corner, I'd at least have listened to what's going on when he got released.
Not if your boss made it clear he could freak himself and wanted nothing absolutely nothing to do with him you wouldn't.
This is true. Whether it's Idzik or Woody, putting hurt feelings in the way of getting the best team on the field is a disservice to the fans. We all know Revis is a pain in the derriere but I hate Belichick and Brady a lot more. I'm not even saying sign him necessarily, same thing I said last year, but why take yourself out of the game? He was your own player.
This is true. Whether it's Idzik or Woody, putting hurt feelings in the way of getting the best team on the field is a disservice to the fans. We all know Revis is a pain in the derriere but I hate Belichick and Brady a lot more. I'm not even saying sign him necessarily, same thing I said last year, but why take yourself out of the game? He was your own player.
Hivemind
http://nypost.com/2014/03/18/polian-plenty-of-time-to-improve-jets/
It's just as much a disservice to the fans to have the team's best player hold out every year for a bigger contract and to be a general nuisance to upper management of the team. It hampers the proper running of the organization is a tremendous distraction that does no good for anyone.
It feels disgusting to defend any media, especially Manish.
Could have just kept your mouth shut. Just sayin. :D
Everyone's hatred for him makes them less likely to see that's he's actually right. At the very least, on this one.
Whether you like or loathe Sanchez, putting up articles about who'd be the best replacement for him on the team website is really kind of dickish. Worse when, like Manish said, it's completely speculative while the organizational philosophy disdains such behavior from the outside media.
It feels disgusting to defend any media, especially Manish.
The only thing I found (just looked it up briefly) on the Jets site about Vick is this: http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-5/REPORT-Michael-Vick-to-Visit-Jets/8b9975a5-4f69-46a6-8ad6-71d9db6a9a3d
Unless I'm missing some other article, it's a lot of hurt about nothing.
So I see someone tweetered the rumor of a Jonathan Joseph trade. Haven't heard anyone else say anything.
So I see someone tweetered the rumor of a Jonathan Joseph trade. Haven't heard anyone else say anything.
Some dumb blogger who probably read that horrible rotoworld blurb suggestion and decided to take it as the jets are actively pursuing him.
@eallenjets
We will be interviewing John Idzik + Rex Ryan later. Send us your ?s and I will get to a few. Videos will be posted today.
(Who's Eric Allen?)
@eallenjets
We will be interviewing John Idzik + Rex Ryan later. Send us your ?s and I will get to a few. Videos will be posted today.
(Who's Eric Allen?)
He's a writer for the Jets website. IIRC, he was previously with the Newark Star Ledger (took over for Manish when Manish went to the Daily News).
It was a joke.
I posted an article for JE he wrote a few days back about Idzik's philosphy and he was saying he has no idea who he is. I asked him how does he not know and his response was that he occasionally leaves his house.
If you recall , JE's position is that we could possibly have no idea what Idzik is thinking or what his philosophy is.
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 10m
Idzik: mentions they've re-signed 7 of own players, which goes "unrecognized." Says it's "big for us." #nyj
Absolutely right. Mike Goodson and Calvin Pace are cornerstones of this team's future. And we managed to offload dead weight like Austin Howard. Good job, John. Earning that money.
We didn't resign Goodson, he's under contract already
Pace, Lankster, walls, Colon, douzable, folk, Cumberland.
Clearly those 7 are key signings for us. Far more important than any improvements (Decker notwithstanding).
Dennis Waszak Jr. @DWAZ73 3m
Rex says #Jets feel "really good about our corners," and runs down players. High on Ras-I Dowling.
Forgotten all about him. I don't think anyone doubts his talent but he's got to actually prove he can stay fit before he can sensibly be considered to play the #2 role.
It'd be phenomenal if Dowling has a better year for us than Revis for the patriots
Dennis Waszak Jr. @DWAZ73 3m
Rex says #Jets feel "really good about our corners," and runs down players. High on Ras-I Dowling.
Forgotten all about him. I don't think anyone doubts his talent but he's got to actually prove he can stay fit before he can sensibly be considered to play the #2 role.
It'd be phenomenal if Dowling has a better year for us than Revis for the patriots
Idzik may have a plan, but he's quickly testing my patience.
You better strap in, because it's going to be a while before you see the results.
Adam ScheinVerified account
@AdamSchein I've been defending John Idzik. I don't know what he's doing with the CB position.
Adam Schein can lick my sac.
To be fair, neither do most of us. I'm honestly a little concerned, but I bet there is a card up his sleeve somewhere. Maybe they have a gem on the roster that we don't know about, or really covet a CB in the middle rounds that they know they can snag.
I have no idea either, but I'm guessing he's not going to field a CB group of bums out there.
Why are we posting Adam Schein tweets ?
Because this is the thread for throwaway stuff like that.
Because this is the thread for throwaway stuff like that.
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@SethWalderNYDN
Source confirms that the Jets have expressed interest in bringing back Vlad Ducasse. #nyj
Resigning Ducasse would be an awesome troll job.
I wouldn't be against it either. I haven't given up on Ducasse as being a starting OG in this league. Signing him as a backup/insurance policy isn't a bad move.
He blocks the pee out of dudes on run plays. Depth signing/familiarity is fine with me.That's what I mean. He's 26 years old, and he's improved every year. His biggest issues were always knowing his assignments on pass plays (which he's gotten better at, and continuity here can't hut) and penalties.
Give him a non-guaranteed deal and have him compete for a spot on the 53.
RichCimini: The Jets sent multiple reps to watch Fresno State QB Derek Carr today at his pro day. #nyj
That's what I mean. He's 26 years old, and he's improved every year. His biggest issues were always knowing his assignments on pass plays (which he's gotten better at, and continuity here can't hut) and penalties.
Adam Schein's opinion on things are pretty worthless.
It's like posting Brandon Tierney tweets or someone like that. Just a glorified fan working in te media
I actually like Adam Schein, except for his voice. I read his tweets in that jewy voice too.
I actually like Adam Schein, except for his voice. I read his tweets in that jewy voice too.
I liked him when he was paired with Rich Gannon on Sirius NFL radio, but they moved him over to Mad Dog radio and has his own show. it's pretty badI wanted to rip my ears out every time Schein talked on that show. His voice is so annoying. He could have told me I won the lottery and I'd still punch him.
With Rich, there was a guy with actual football knowledge that balanced him out.
I wanted to rip my ears out every time Schein talked on that show. His voice is so annoying. He could have told me I won the lottery and I'd still punch him.
I wanted to rip my ears out every time Schein talked on that show. His voice is so annoying. He could have told me I won the lottery and I'd still punch him.
I didn't mind him aside from the fact that he said "uh" at the end of every word preceding a pause.I hated that.
"The Jets just can't winnuh, and at some point you have to blame Rex Ryanuh."
He killed his Pro Day too
He killed his Pro Day too
Any word on Davante Adams' performance?
He was puking the day before and refused to cancel his pro day. Ballsy.
He's not butthurt at all
Manish Mehta
Column: Jets GM Idzik misjudged CB market in FA. Also did disservice to #NYJ by not personally exploring Revis return
Manish misjudged the team's level of interest in pretty much every single FA.
That's who he is.
Except when being pressured in the pocket, because he's terrible then.
"I watched two of his games on Youtube. He is terrible."
"I watched all of his games live on tv at 10 pm while making a statue of him out of velveeta. He's dreamy...."
Scott Bair @BairCSN 5m
Just passed Rex Ryan at owners meeting. He was wearing a shirt that said "will sell wife for beer." P.S. His wife was with him. True story.
@AdamSchefter:
"For all the talk about the CBs the Jets didn't land, the player Rex Ryan really wanted was DeMarcus Ware. And Jets didn't make a run at him."
Im quite glad we didnt honestly
I don't know. I certainly didn't want to overpay him, but you have to believe that Rex and Rob talked about him. If Rex wanted him that badly, he must have had a glowing letter of recommendation from Rob.
Hes Demarcus Ware. Everyone knows how good he is.
This is our chance to get ahead of the game with the salary cap...
I'd say we're ahead of the game by now. Cap space can't stop WRs, can't catch passes.
Im refraining from doing my best Heismanberg impression right now.
Go forth my son. You are a man now.
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 13m
Jets made predictable cuts after 2012 (Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, Jason Smith, Eric Smith, etc) to clear $30M. "Cap Hell" is propaganda. #nyj
He's not wrong though
Holmes, Harris, Sanchez, pace, contracts were very real.
Plus a few others were quite overpaid.
We were neck deep in bad contracts
Im confused why tweet that now? who is throwing around the "cap hell" phrase with this team right now? We are so far from it, we are desperately hoping we spend some money.
Shut the freak up Manish.
That's definitely true but they were all expected cuts
That's definitely true but they were all expected cuts
He's not wrong though
Why use the word "propaganda"? Has Idzik and the jets FO been bragging about getting us out of cap hell?
I'm not saying we should have gone for him. I would have talked to him, were I the Jets GM, especially if Rex did really want him. It's not that big a deal either way.
I dispute the idea that we're "just" in rebuilding mode though. This is something I said last year, and I'll continue to repeat. No NY team is ever truly "rebuilding." That's not how it works in this town. Every year you make an effort to compete or heads roll.
Nick Bellore signed his tender I guess.
Patterson is a good player. This is the kind of move we should be expecting from Idzik.
He let the market settle and he's going to add good players for small money.
Does he help on the outside? I haven't watched him much, but everything I read says slot corner. I highly doubt Wilson plays anywhere but the slot anymore.
Rotoshit:
The Jets are hosting free agent CB Dimitri Patterson on Monday.
Patterson is a 30-year-old slot corner who could be viewed as a value pickup at this stage of free agency. He consistently earned positive marks from Pro Football Focus in Miami, and was always a tough match for inside receivers.
That's a curious blurb from roto. I checked on PFF... he was only active for six games last year in Miami, and only saw 241 total snaps. He did grade out positively overall, though.
The New York mets would like to say hello.
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That's a curious blurb from roto. I checked on PFF... he was only active for six games last year in Miami, and only saw 241 total snaps. He did grade out positively overall, though.
I thought you were done with PFF after their shitty awards.
Jason LaCumfarthole suggests we bring in Brett Kiesel to rotate with our DL.
Jason LaCumfarthole suggests we bring in Brett Kiesel to rotate with our DL.
Idzik is preparing to offer him a 1 year for $3 and bag of green jelly bellies contract. The Raiders will outbid him and give him a 1 year 5 million though.
Doesn't make any sense to me unless we had an injury.
Depends what kind of green they are. Apple? Kiwi? Watermelon? Lime?
Doesn't make any sense to me unless we had an injury.
He could be a good mentor in a backup role. 12 years in the NFL.
But I'd rather see that roster spot go to a younger developmental guy for future depth.
Do our D-linemen really need a mentor at this point?
Do our D-linemen really need a mentor at this point?
The whole mentor thing is overrated. They're not raising kids, they're playing football and there's a coaching staff.
The whole mentor thing is overrated. They're not raising kids, they're playing football and there's a coaching staff.
The whole mentor thing is overrated. They're not raising kids, they're playing football and there's a coaching staff.
Doesn't make any sense to me unless we had an injury.
Do our D-linemen really need a mentor at this point?
No but I wouldn't hate to see somebody brought in to reduce the # of hits our DL is taking in the preseason. They are our best unit, we need them to be healthy for the regular season
Agreed, but that's probably a role better served by camp fodder types than a vet.
Agreed, but that's probably a role better served by camp fodder types than a vet.
I'm not sure of that. Depending on what he has left in the tank I think Keisel could be a better addition than most of what the TC fodder could offer. Unless you were assuming that one of the TC additions would be a better long-term addition. It's not like Keisel would be able to put the Jets in any ginancial difficulties on a rotational player's contract.
true, but if they think he has something in the tank or the ability to teach our DL something over the course of camp I say go for it.
I just meant for the role of "taking hits in the preseason". That's not a reason to sign Keisel. That's what TC bodies are for. Obviously if the FO thinks he can be a rotational player, he'd be a decent signing.
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 1m
Wish a Jets fan would design a logo for me RT @ProFootballTalk RGIII hypes Instagram, uses it to unveil new logo http://wp.me/p14QSB-9sev #nyj
Would love to see what Jets fans come up with!
I was looking for a gif of someone talking out of their derriere to reply with.
http://www.localsyr.com/story/d/story/petition-aims-to-bar-michael-vick-from-suny-cortla/76882/thsPj9x6SEKcpdirbgjl-g
People protesting training camp would be more annoying than the Tebow fans were. At least they were a positive presence.
The tebots represented a positive presence to you?
They may have been an annoying group of women and children, but at least they were happy. Compared to a potentially angry group of people hurling insults at one of the players. I hear enough of that at the games, I don't want to deal with it at training camp.
They may have been an annoying group of women and children, but at least they were happy. Compared to a potentially angry group of people hurling insults at one of the players. I hear enough of that at the games, I don't want to deal with it at training camp.
There's zero chance they say that to the Jets.
That pleases me greatly. I like Rex and I like stability.
We'll see how everyone feels if this team misses the playoffs again
/sunshine
To be better than 8-8, Geno has to be better. Or, the defense has to return to 09 form.
The defense will probably be decent, but our pass defense is going to take a hit. I think even if Geno plays on an average level and our defense stays in the Top 10 then our best case scenario will be 9-7.
Source: Jets head coach Rex Ryan not ‘on any hot seat’I like this article. Playoffs or bust is stupid. Idzik and Rex being on the same page is a good thing. But as the article says, a lot of factors go into it. If they miss the playoffs badly, or the team quits on him, or something else happens, you can fire him. But if they go 8-8 or 9-7 and it's obvious the personnel isn't good enough, I wouldn't support firing him.
http://www.metro.us/newyork/sports/nfl/2014/04/10/source-jets-head-coach-rex-ryan-hot-seat/
Do you mean worst case scenario? Or do you just have a really low bar for average QB performance?
Our defense won't be good enough to carry the team, just keep us in games. Our running game isn't going to carry the team either because of our weak OLine, so he would have to be better than average to get this team above 8-8.
Like I said, what's average? He threw nearly twice as many INTs as he did TDs and we still went 8-8.
Right, but we'll have to rely on him even more considering our defense downgraded a bit.
Right, but we'll have to rely on him even more considering our defense downgraded a bit. If he went 1-1, which I'd say is average, then there's a chance we could do slightly better, but if the defense, especially the pass defense, takes a step back then it may not be enough to get us above an 8-8. But a 9-7 could be a possibility in that scenario.
Right, but we'll have to rely on him even more considering our defense downgraded a bit. If he went 1-1, which I'd say is average, then there's a chance we could do slightly better, but if the defense, especially the pass defense, takes a step back then it may not be enough to get us above an 8-8. But a 9-7 could be a possibility in that scenario.
We upgraded QB (added Vick and the QB play will be better- either Geno improves or Vick starts)
If Vick starts we're in trouble, he's really not that good any more.
We'll see how everyone feels if this team misses the playoffs again
/sunshine
With Rex at least Idzik knows who he's dealing with. Why bring in another guy who may or may not do better. The risks outweighs the benefits in switching a decent HC for an unknown.
I'm nervous that Rex's ability to disguise his overload blitzes has become less and less effective the longer he's been in the league. I haven't looked into this particularly, just a feeling I've developed over the past few years.
If Vick starts we're in trouble, he's really not that good any more.
I'm nervous that Rex's ability to disguise his overload blitzes has become less and less effective the longer he's been in the league. I haven't looked into this particularly, just a feeling I've developed over the past few years.
Everyone sees it. When he first came here there was a lot of talk about how he was the anti-Mangini, and he'd build the scheme around the players and not the other way around, but it doesn't really feel like that's been the case for the last few years.
I don't really care how he fields a good D, as long as he actually does it, and it seems like the D is on the upswing right now.
ESPN New York suggests Jets CB Kyle Wilson's roster spot could be in jeopardy.
Wilson, the No. 29 overall pick in the 2010 draft, has one year left on his rookie deal and has shown that he's really a slot corner only. The Jets recently signed CB Dimitri Patterson, another slot corner, to a one-year, $3 million deal. "Wilson makes no plays," said an AFC scout. He has just three career interceptions. The Jets will be eyeing cornerback help in next month's draft.
I've been out of the loop for a minute, trying to catch up. I'm sure this blurb is tucked in a thread somewhere, but this...
...is freaking retarded. You now have my opinion on the subject. Carry on.
There is one thing people are overlooking last year that should benefit the defense. The Jets had an absurdly low fumble to fumble recovery ratio. In fact the Jets were last in the league in fumble recoveries with 2. That ratio always comes back to the mean.Another good point. Helps cancel out that the Jets' record in close games was so good.
agreed. Wilson didn't become the awesome outside corner we hoped for, but the kid is kicking derriere in the slot. If anybody would be on the chopping block in the event we got lucky and drafted Gilbert at 18 it would be Patterson. Sure Patterson can play the nickel as well, but Wilson is better, and much less of an injury risk.
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-randylangeblogfb/Joe-Klecko-Takes-Aim-at-Hall-of-Fame-Again/5aa49d39-c404-4bf8-a618-d4fe0c55b256
Klecko no longer a Modern Era HOF possibility, now he might be able to get in as a Seniors Candidate.
So that will drastically improve his chances won't it?
So that will drastically improve his chances won't it?Hell yes almost all the players interviewed in that era say Klecko deserves Hall of Fame status.
Hell yes almost all the players interviewed in that era say Klecko deserves Hall of Fame status.
Hell yes almost all the players interviewed in that era say Klecko deserves Hall of Fame status.
Good. Also is there such a thing as a first senior ballot HOF?
Yeah he was before my time but I've seen plenty of him on film. And every time someone is asked about him, former players all agree they hated lining up against him cause they knew they were in for an all day battle.
Mehta twitter got hacked anybody know what got posted
Mehta twitter got hacked anybody know what got posted
Some excrement about a fruit that makes you lose weight
Here are some tweets from a conference call the Jets players were on just a short time ago:
Jets DL Sheldon Richardson says he wants to create more turnovers as a defense and "get more sacks" in his second year. #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Sheldon Richardson said he is "most definitely" better than a 3.5-sack DT. #nyj
— Seth Walder (@SethWalderNYDN) April 21, 2014
Defensive Rookie of the Year Sheldon Richardson (@Godforshort): "You've yet to see the best of Sheldon Richardson." #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Sheldon called Michael Vick "Great competition for Geno." #nyj
— Seth Walder (@SethWalderNYDN) April 21, 2014
Richardson on Chris Johnson: "He's a highlight reel waiting to happen." #nyj
— Rich Cimini (@RichCimini) April 21, 2014
Geno on Vick: "He’s a good guy. Looking forward to working with him, looking forward to competing with him as well." #nyj
— Seth Walder (@SethWalderNYDN) April 21, 2014
More Geno on Michael Vick signing: "Overall, I think it’ll make the team better. And I’m all for competition." #jets
— Kimberley A. Martin (@KMart_LI) April 21, 2014
Geno Smith on Vick: "He's a veteran with tons of exeprience.. He's played in many big games...but I look forward to learning from him" #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Does Geno expect to be the starter with the Jets? "Yes." #nyj
— Brian Costello (@BrianCoz) April 21, 2014
Geno Smith: "With the experience I've gained... I feel like I'm more than capable of being the starter." #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Geno Smith on cutting down turnovers from last season: Says he watched the film "over and over and over... as painful as it is." #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Geno won't knock last year's offense: "It all comes down to me. If I would've done things better, we would've done better as an offense"
— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) April 21, 2014
Mangold on Vick: "I'm excited about having him here. He's a heckuva player." #Jets
— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) April 21, 2014
Jets center @NickMangold: "We saw some flashes last year. Especially the way we ended last year... Everyone's upbeat." #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Rex Ryan: "I feel kind of a buzz, just a little pep in everybody's step walking in. Our team is excited about this season" #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Rex says the stable of RBs reminds him of 2009. "We had a great stable of backs. That's what we have here." #nyj
— Brian Costello (@BrianCoz) April 21, 2014
Rex on CJ2K: "When u look at our stable of backs, it's pretty good. Kind of reminds me of my 1st year here."
— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) April 21, 2014
When talking about RBs, Rex did mention that team is hoping Goodson comes back from knee injury. #Jets
— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) April 21, 2014
Rex Ryan: "We're not going to be absolutely saying we're going back to the Ground & Pound... unless we choose to." #nyj
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Rex says Mike Goodson won't be able to do anything "in near future" coming off ACL/MCL repair. (MG likely odd man out though with CJ in mix)
— Manish Mehta (@MMehtaNYDN) April 21, 2014
Rex says "we feel pretty good there" when talking about his CBs.
— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) April 21, 2014
Rex on CJ2K and workload: "Nothing was ever promised that you’re going to get X amount of carries." #nyj
— Seth Walder (@SethWalderNYDN) April 21, 2014
Rex: "The biggest thing Mike (Vick) is going to help Geno with is his experience and his experience in this system." #jets
— Kimberley A. Martin (@KMart_LI) April 21, 2014
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2014/4/21/5636764/time-to-go-back-to-work-some-jets-quotes
Say what you want about Smith, but this is a very repetitive theme from him. You gotta love that.
He admits that he sucks. I agree with him.
Could be worseHe was eating a hot dog in a game they won.
He could've been eating a hot dog when he said it
Geno won't knock last year's offense: "It all comes down to me. If I would've done things better, we would've done better as an offense"
— Dennis Waszak Jr. (@DWAZ73) April 21, 2014
Say what you want about Smith, but this is a very repetitive theme from him. You gotta love that.
So what? Sanchez would do the same thing at the press conferences after he excrement the bed in games.
It's pretty sad when the only redeeming quality of our QBs is their ability to blame themselves for playing like excrement.
It's pretty sad when the only redeeming quality of our QBs is their ability to blame themselves for playing like excrement.
I think there's a difference between how Geno and Sanchez handle the media. Sanchez was comfortable with the spotlight and always knew to say the right thing. I get the sense that Geno has no use for the media and just says whatever it takes to get the interview over with.
I like Geno's approach better. And I do think that he's genuinely more inclined to be neurotic about his film study than Sanchez - purely based on an unfounded gut feeling about his personality.
I have to agree with you.
I often complained about Sanchez not properly taking his own responsibility in his pressers. A lot of people credited him for taking blame, but he very often used the term "we" rather than "I." Geno is quick to say "I messed up." "I need to play better." "I made mistakes that I need to fix." The difference is subtle, but important.
I think this is revisionist history. They sound exactly the same.
If we could go back to the old boards you'd see it's not revisionist. I argued with a number of people that I didn't feel Sanchez ever took responsibility for his mistakes in his postgame pressers. Sanchez always said things to the effect of "We made mistakes." "We'll get back to the film and make the adjustments."
Geno points the finger squarely at himself and says "I made mistakes." "I have to watch the film and fix it."
Again, it's subtle, but it's also significant. I've never honestly believed the problem was all Sanchez or all Geno. That said, taking full responsibility for your problems is the kind of thing I want to see from a QB.
It's a team sport.
Geiger got burned.
John Geiger
@JohnGeiger_
Picture of Darrelle Revis on Jets 2014 schedule. pic.twitter.com/AjmpEirp4M
Joey Oshie @JoeyyJetss 10m
Thats kerley .. U FuckBoy
Can you screenshot this?
I can't tell who the freak it is anyway.
It's definitely Kerley. Someone (Kim Martin?) posted the schedule screenshot along with the original picture it was taken from.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer 34m
Yikes ... RT @JohnGeiger_: Picture of Darrelle Revis on Jets 2014 schedule. http://twitter.com/JohnGeiger_/status/459387794515693568/photo/1pic.twitter.com/3Is083Fgef
John Geiger @JohnGeiger_ 10m
@AlbertBreer My twitter was "hacked" 😐.. Anyways was a good laugh for a minute. But I was definitely wrong.
If it was hacked, why would he be definitely wrong?
I think he was making a joke about how everyone says they were hacked when something like this happens. It's kind of tongue in cheek. Or in his case, dick in mouth.
“You know my prediction, I think we’re gonna take another D-lineman,” Rex Ryan joked Saturday at charity softball game in Manhattan run by WFAN’s Boomer & Carton. “That would be funny. I told (John) Idzik, if that happens, they’d run us both out of town.”
If we drafted a dl in the middle rounds for when we yse 4-3 fronts what would we need most? A 4-3 de?
I wouldn't mind if they traded up in the 2nd round for KVN.
The Jets haven't drafted a Pro Bowl skill position player since 1996
The Jets haven't drafted a Pro Bowl skill position player since 1996
Does Leon count?
I'm surprised Keller never made it.
1. Tight End isn't a skill position.
2. Keller was average at best.
Ain't much of a difference between te and wr these days.
And he had one or two good years playing for a high profile team.
Probowl isn't about whose the best.
Keller never deserved to make a Pro Bowl.
Coles and Moss did make Pro Bowls, but with the Redskins. So it's not an entirely fair statement, but it's still damning.
He didn't make it as a skill position player.
I think that statistic is referring to wide receiver, quarterback, and running back.
freaking Kordell Stewart making it over Chad Pennington in 2002 was terrible.
Lets face it, the Jets have had some very poor drafts. Parcells drafts were awful, Bradway had a few bad ones and then Tannenbaum had some stinkers. Hopefully, the new regime understands the importance of the draft and the Jets get lucky with a pick or two panning out much better than expected.
I don't know if I'd say Tannys drafting was that bad
Definitely not one of the worst in the league over that era. Mediocre at worst, probably above average honestly.
Had the Sanchez pick alone panned out better, I think most would say that Tannenbaum had more success via the draft than most teams in the league.
His downfall was likely tied up far more to HORRIBLE contracts than anything else.
He went from 2008-2010 and had Kyle Wilson to show for it. No team in the league can have sustained success with only 1 mediocre drafted player remaining in 3 years. Unless of course the Jets had a franchise QB.
The new salary cap dynamics reward teams that draft well with the slotting of draft pick salaries and cheap 1-5 year players. By not drafting enough or any players the Jets couldn't take care of this huge advantage in team friendly salaries. Tannenbaum's drafting and disregard for draft pick values are what directly led to his having to hand out of dumb contracts.
Well he did trade draft picks for Cromartie, Jenkins, Braylon,Favre and Holmes over that period I believe.
So it's not like those were all busted picks, a lot of them were unfortunately traded for older veteran players. And the Wilson draft was a pretty poor draft overall. It's been discussed on here but many of the guys picked after Wilson ended up being terrible.
And he did land us like Kerley, Wilkerson, Ellis, Coples, Bilal all shortly after that period.
Plus like Revis Harris Mangold Brick Slauson and a few others before.
The guy wasn't a good GM I'm definitely not saying he is.
But I strongly doubt that we were anywhere near the bottom of the league in draft success during his era
Also in 08+09 there still wasn't the rookie cap. Sanchez got his deal under the old format. So the 2010 was the only year he failed to take advantage of the new cap changes
I want Michael Vick to start.
I want Michael Vick to start.
Care to explain why? I don't mean that dickishly. I'm curious.
I guess best case scenario would be Vick plays at a high level, and Geno learns from him and ends up a legitimate capable starter the following year
If Vick plays at a high level and stays healthy, he will be re-signed and Smith will remain his backup.
I have no faith in Geno Smith and never have. If he wants to step up and surprise me, then I'm all for him starting.
I want the best QB to play as well. If Smith outperforms Vick, he should be the starter. I just don't see that happening.
To me, Smith is a developmental backup as of right now.
So you don't think Geno has potential to be a future franchise QB?
No.
I think he can develop into a quality starter, but he's no star.
No.
I think he can develop into a quality starter, but he's no star.
Can he be the best starting QB the Jets have had in the last 10 years?
No.
I think he can develop into a quality starter, but he's no star.
Keep building the offense and let the best QB play. If it's Smith, I'm fine with it. I just have serious doubts that started before he was a New York Jet.
I am just tired of excrement QB play.
Well then, don't set the bar too high for this year and you won't be disappointed.I'm hoping we upgrade our QB play to "smelly fart" this year.
I'm hoping we upgrade our QB play to "smelly fart" this year.
I've already made it clear I like Genos potential. If I had money on it I'd bet on Vick. But I wouldn't be shocked if Gen ended up starting by the end of the year.Agree with this. I expect Vick to win the job because I think he can still be a productive quarterback, one better than Geno Smith. However, Geno will get his chance. Vick will get hurt. Vick ALWAYS gets hurt. And then if Geno takes advantage of that opportunity, maybe he can claim the job. I don't care if we have a QB controversy because both guys are playing well. We haven't had one quarterback play well in a while.
Considering the time he's spent in the system, Vick BETTER show up to camp and spank him. That's what we should expect.
I would like to know what we have in Geno before next years draft kinda torn on Vick since he won't be playing in two years from now.
Although I think a good draft makes us a wild card contender regardless who's starting
I'm 100% in the camp of "best guy plays." The only reason I'd hope it is Geno is because I want the future franchise guy already. Who knows though? Maybe we draft someone this year and that is the future. I certainly wouldn't be disappointed.
We all know Vick wont play 16 games
No one will know that until he actually misses a game.
He's missed a game in every one of his seasons except for one, and he's 33 years old... Obviously its not definite, but Id say its 97% likely.
Unless Vick gets hurt before the start of the season I don't see any way he isn't the starter going into week 1.
I addressed that in my post above. Many may disagree, but I dont think its as lopsided of a competition as it seems. We'll see though come August and September.
I'd love it if Geno won a fair competition but considering how bad he was at times last season and how much more experience Vick has in this system along with his 10 more years of actual nfl experience then Geno it'd be a huge surprise for Geno to win it.
I forgot the numbers but Geno's stats with and without Kerley last year were pretty shocking. I think 50 or 60 QBR apart
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Well, the secondaries of Buffalo and Miami weren't that good to be honest...
Bills had the 5th lowest Yards per Completion allowed, miami 12th lowest
Bills had the 3rd lowest QB rating allowed in the league (after only Seattle and Cinci) Miami had the 5th lowest QB rating allowed (with seattle, buffalo, cinci, and 49ers)
New York Jets nose tackle Damon "Big Snacks" Harrison had the most tackles among the linemen with zero broken tackles (50),
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/2013-broken-tackles-defense
I'm certainly not going to say I'm never wrong about a player, but I was really far off with Snacks. Going into last season I thought he was a whiny baby who wouldn't even make the team.
What led you to that conclusion, I am legit asking?
The way he posts on Twitter. It's a constant stream of "No one believes in me" tweets and it just gave me a feeling of "Show, don't talk." It turns out all of his "I'll show them all" tweets were the truth.
I addressed that in my post above. Many may disagree, but I dont think its as lopsided of a competition as it seems. We'll see though come August and September.
I've said it a few times, I don't think Vick is as much of a lock as people think . He looked pretty bad the last couple years. I'll take more than a LeSean McCoy rim job to convince me otherwise.
If the competition is remotely close you have to go with Geno to let him develop so we know if we need to draft a QB next year.
But if any of that is going to happen he needs to pick up where he left off from the MIA game. Otherwise Vick will win it handily
There really shouldn't be any reason that the offense doesn't take a significant step forward in 2014.
Mediocre QB play = a huge step forward?
Mediocre QB play = a huge step forward?
I'm sorry. What games were you watching last year that suggested that Geno was anywhere in the realm of mediocre throughout the duration of the season?
The only thing I'll give Geno credit for is he actually made some plays
With one of the worst receiving corps we've had too
Unfortunately for every good play he made two to 3 horrible horrible ones.
If he can learn how to legitimately use his legs and not be as horrible on his deep ball. I could certainly see him graduate to mediocre
I'm still crossing my fingers that he can be a poor man's Steve McNair
Why are black quarterbacks only compared to other black quarterbacks? This never made any sense to me.
Why are black quarterbacks only compared to other black quarterbacks? This never made any sense to me.
How about... uh... Jake Plummer? Best case scenario, Smith can be Jake Plummer.
Why are black quarterbacks only compared to other black quarterbacks? This never made any sense to me.
Because they are black, stupid.
He's got legs, which means I'm hoping he can be a good running QB.
But he's not a great thrower. So I'm not going to compare him to like Aaron Rodgers or anything.
How many white good running QB's are there for me to compare him to
Is he a good running QB though, or does he happen to just be mobile?
Is he a good running QB though, or does he happen to just be mobile?
He's black, duh. Of course he is fast. It's their longer achilles tendons. It's science.
How about... uh... Jake Plummer? Best case scenario, Smith can be Jake Plummer.
He's got legs, which means I'm hoping he can be a good running QB.
But he's not a great thrower. So I'm not going to compare him to like Aaron Rodgers or anything.
How many white good running QB's are there for me to compare him to
Wilson, Kaep, Vick, Pryor.
Most of the better scrambling QB's are black.
A better example of people associating a black QB unfairly is like people assuming Freeman was a good runner and comparing him to all the typical
Aaron Rodgers, Ben Rothlisberger, Tony Romo, and Andrew Luck are all good scramblers. Not in the sense that you're thinking of though
How many white good running QB's are there for me to compare him to
Steve Young. Geno is going to be the next Steve Young.
Is he a good running QB though, or does he happen to just be mobile?
"After trying on the #8 I decided that it's not the right fit for me. I'll be going with the #1 officially. Thank You #JetsNation" - vick
That was so gay that I swore it was fake
But it's not...
Am I the only one the gives zero fucks about a guy changing his number in May?
A friend of mine is a huge Mike Vick fan. He bought the #8 jersey a few hours ago and posted it on my Facebook like he was proud of it.
What a doofus.
6. The truth hurts: Former Jets great Joe Klecko was on the money with his assessment of OLB Quinton Coples, whom he said "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane." Coples has tested the patience of the coaches from the day he arrived, giving inconsistent effort. The talent is obvious, which explains the frustration level in the organization. He finished last season on an upswing (3.5 sacks in the last five games), so maybe he turned a corner. As for Klecko's comments about Muhammad Wilkerson, suggesting he doesn't give maximum effort on every play, I haven't heard anyone around the team question his motor.
I mean eventually with enough smoke you have to wonder if there is a fire somewhere with Coples work ethic.
Hopefully him being healthy from day 1 and now understanding the OLB position will allow Coples to take a major step forwards this season.
Klecko doesn't come off as very bright. Good player but a dumbass imo
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"I think there's a few too many plays he gives up on a little bit," Klecko said. "You know, he's big enough to hunt bear with a switch, there's no doubt. He's an unbelievable talent, but he has to put it out there every single play. Now, sure, everybody is going to say, 'Yeah, he does.' No, he doesn't, I'm telling you right now. He needs to put it out there every single play. Now, (Sheldon) Richardson does that."
I'm not sure why Klecko didn't acknowledge Coples' ankle fracture in the preseason; when he was healthy, he was pretty damn good.
No he wasn't. He was terrible until he got healthy, and then he was just average.
Trade for Claiborne, draft ODB and Landry. Enter LSU Jets.
New York Jets Plus@JetsPlus·8 mins
NFL Rumors: Are the New York Jets Looking to Trade for Morris Claiborne? - Rant Sports http://ift.tt/1nYNr5H #NFL #NewYorkJets
Anyone else hear this from another source?
It's not really a rumor. This is just a guy saying: "Hey, you should probably trade for Morris Claiborne, Rex"
Can a team trade for a rookie and still exercise the 5th year option?
Can a team trade for a rookie and still exercise the 5th year option?Gabbert still had 5th yr option available after going to SF.
freak you Cimini
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/38473/memo-to-jets-beware-the-18th-pick
Ian Rapoport@RapSheet·5 mins
Interesting to hear #Jets keeping in regular contact with QBs slated to go in the first round. Maybe in case one falls. Maybe serious at 18
Ian Rapoport@RapSheet·5 mins
Interesting to hear #Jets keeping in regular contact with QBs slated to go in the first round. Maybe in case one falls. Maybe serious at 18
I would have thought that every team is keeping regular touch with all the first round possibles, because who knows what's going to play out on draft day?
I wouldn't be shocked to see the Jets go QB at Round 1 but I highly doubt it happens with Vick and Geno already on the roster. Maybe if they package Geno and a 3rd or 4th to move into the top 10 but I can't see that happening.
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http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Krystal-C-Flight-Crew-New-York-Jets-Cheerleader-Sues-Team-Inspired-by-Oakland-Raiderettes-258131801.html
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Krystal-C-Flight-Crew-New-York-Jets-Cheerleader-Sues-Team-Inspired-by-Oakland-Raiderettes-258131801.html
And, in April, five Buffalo Jill cheerleaders sued the Buffalo Bills saying they weren't paid for their time at games or mandatory public appearances that left them open to groping and sexual comments, including being subjected to a weekly “Jiggle Test,” where their butts, stomachs, arms and hips were scrutinized while they did jumping jacks. The next day, the production company that manages the Jills announced the cheerleaders will not perform this season. The Bills have declined to comment.
Vick isn't really relevant in the discussion.Mallett was a third round pick, not a top 20 pick. I get your point but.. apples and oranges.
I'd be livid if we made any draft decisions around an old injury prone running QB who is under contract for this year only.
Geno is a second round pick.
I'm not a QB guy but it's the most important position in sports.
And no person would EVER complain about drafting a QB with any pick under any circumstances IF the pick pans out.
Pats drafted Mallet early and still had a young Tom Brady. If he didn't suck I'm sure they'd love the pick
$150 per game does seem a bit cheap. They could earn that from Tommy in the space of three songs.
Mallett was a third round pick, not a top 20 pick. I get your point but.. apples and oranges.
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Also, I don't want to pull a Cleveland and roll the dice on a new QB every season, especially if it involves sacrificing draft picks in a trade scenario. Last year's offensive talent was abysmal. Geno deserves a shot with competent talent.
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Louisville safety Calvin Pryor told me that he met with the Jets and the interview was extensive: "They really seemed interested."
This sounds a little more definitive
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Mentioned earlier the #Jets are looking to trade up. Their target is the Top 10, and I’m told they are very hot on #LSU WR Odell Beckham.
I'm surprised we'd want to give up that for ODB instead of just hoping he falls. I really like him but trading up for him?
If we're going to trade up that far, I don't get why they don't go after Evans.
I'm not crazy about either idea but just saying, if they're willing to go that far it's not exactly a huge bump to take Evans.
I agree. If the goal is to trade up to 8 with the Vikings (ahead of the Bills) why not just try to go to 6/7 to get Evans? IMO it would take 2-3 picks to go to 8, including 49. I don't think ODB is worth 3 guys. I just don't
You have to recognize that we'll likely be facing competition to move into the top-10 against teams like the Eagles and 49ers. A move up to number 8 would likely take (at the bare minimum) our 1st, 2nd, and 4th round picks.
Yes I get that. which is why i'm shocked we are considering doing it. We need talent on this roster, and giving up 49 (and essentially our only shot at a TE this year) I just find it hard to believe ODB is going to be that much better than Cooks.
It's no secret that I've been infatuated with ODB for some time now, but I completely agree with you. I'd rather we take our chances and wait, either for ODB to fall or to take Cooks at 18. Hell, if he falls to 14 we could make a trade with Chicago.
I thought Idzik has tight lips? Why's everything out there
It's starting to sound like Buffalo is his floor.
I thought Idzik has tight lips? Why's everything out there
I take it with a grain of salt but the logical reason is that it involves other teams. more than 1 has probably been contacted if that's true, and Idzik has no control over leaks in other organizations.
Especially leaks that aren't true. There's no reason to think that a leak coming from another organization is anything other than posturing. The Jets are trying to trade up? Better get on the phone and see if we can swing a deal!
yeah, that is very likely.
but it's not impossible to think that maybe a lower level employee caught wind and has connections with Ian rappaport.
Glazer broke the Manziel not getting drafted by the Browns story. The jacked jew has a pretty good track record, so that's one of the few cases i'm inclined to believe that
Just sit back and see who falls. All these rumors are likely the Jets preparing for trade ups/downs in case someone unexpectedly falls. You can't just do this excrement on the fly. Something has to be discussed ahead of time, and people take that as "the Jets are planning to trade up".
If we do indeed trade up, I hope it's just a few spots, not 8-10.
But Rich Cimini said that there hasn't been a Pro Bowler since Art Monk, we can't sit at 18, we're doomed I tell you, doomed.
Well you'd think that teams who are picking at 18 are going to be perpetually mediocre.
The early picks are gonna be the super studs, and the late first picks are generally going to be on the better teams (having the better contributing staff)
I hope people realize if ODB is gone before 10 Cooks at 18 becomes dicey. Someone like the Eagles or Packers could leapfrog us.
The only thing I'm sure about this time of year is not to put any credence into draft rumors.
Although I and many others knew ODB is top 10 good, but the last week has seen a lot of reports that teams have ODB and Evans as 2a 2b and I can't argue that.
It is very likely that 4 WRS are gone by 18. Lee is overshadowed and underrated in this draft, but I'm not too keen on him at 18.
Hell I'd prolly want a CB over him
I'm just curious, when did you decide that? During the mock you were saying there was a huge drop off after Watkins/Evans and you didn't think any of the other receivers were worth the #13 pick for the Rams. What changed your mind, because it seems like you're saying you've known it all along?
The only guy (well, except for Clowney) I'd want to trade up for is Watkins, in which case, sell out if you have to. We'd still have the compensatory picks at minimum, but our offense would be legit. In this case, you could be almost certain Vick would be the QB and we'd be going for it all this year.
Vick
Ivory/CJ2K
Watkins, Decker, Kerley
Obviously Cumberland isn't a great option, but that's a pretty loaded offense anyway. As long as the D plays up to what they played last year (and there's no reason to believe they can't do that much) and clearly we'd also need a rebound by Brick and Nick, and Winters improving would help too, but that's a team that can win now.
Also, in regard to the TE position, the Jets have a ton of cash. They could still bring back Dustin Keller or make a trade for a guy someone doesn't want to pay.
Watkins would cost us a 1st next year too.
Watkins would cost us a 1st next year too.
Yeah, screw that. Only way I could see it is if he miraculously falls to 7 or 8.
If Watkins falls to #6 where the Falcons would pick, I'd trade this year's 1st + 2nd + next year's 1st for Sammy Watkins. He'd help turn this offense around in a hurry.
I'd hope that if they pulled this sort of trade, they had a backup plan to address the secondary in the later rounds of the draft, via trade, or via the FA pool.
There are too many holes on this team get the dancing fairies out of your heads, the Jets and Idzik in particular isn't going to trade up for Watkins.
I love Sammy Watkins, but I will never be a fan of trading a future first for any position other than QB.
We don't know how this season will play out. If the Jets end up with a couple key injuries and end up picking in the top ten, we're really going to miss that first rounder...no matter how good Sammy Watkins is.
If he became the next megatron I'd be more than willing to pay two firsts
I love Sammy Watkins, but I will never be a fan of trading a future first for any position other than QB.
We don't know how this season will play out. If the Jets end up with a couple key injuries and end up picking in the top ten, we're really going to miss that first rounder...no matter how good Sammy Watkins is.
I know but a girl can dream right lol
If he became the next megatron I'd be more than willing to pay two firsts
There's no next Megatron.
a 6'5, 235 lb receiver who runs a 4.3 with his strength and leaping ability is like a unicorn.
Watkins isn't the prospect AJ Green was either.
Even aj green I'd say would absolutely be worth two firsts (assuming he's aj green personality too not like dez Bryant)
As I originally said, I'd happily give up every non-compensatory pick this year (including the Revis), if it meant we could have him. The compensatory picks plus the money we are sitting on could help fill some holes with stopgaps. It's certainly a risk, but it would be an all-in move for this year, and I'd be 100% behind it.
It'd probably take a bit more than that. The Falcons gave up 2 firsts, a second, and a couple of fourths for Julio Jones. Granted, they were on the back end of that draft and their projected 1st the following year wasn't likely to be that high, but that gives you an idea.
And like I said, I think Watkins will be really good but he's not the prospect AJ green was. Too many holes on this team to make that trade.
And that was to move from 26 to 6. Moving from 18 to 2 actually involves MORE value given up. We'd be looking at that trade as a very lucky floor. We'd probably be asked to give up 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a 3rd, and a 4th. If there was some reason the Rams really wanted out of the spot, they might take less, but they'd want a king's ransom.
I'm not so sure he goes at #2.
But they're one of the most willing trade partners.
I don't think it'd be that bad though, at least according to the value chart. Either way I don't really think it's worth it.
What part of "If you're going to bother spending picks to trade up into the top-10 for a wide receiver, then just spend whatever you need to get the best of the bunch" wasn't clear?
What part of "If you're going to bother spending picks to trade up into the top-10 for a wide receiver, then just spend whatever you need to get the best of the bunch" wasn't clear?
I love Sammy Watkins, but I will never be a fan of trading a future first for any position other than QB.
We don't know how this season will play out. If the Jets end up with a couple key injuries and end up picking in the top ten, we're really going to miss that first rounder...no matter how good Sammy Watkins is.
Trading up can gtfo
Even aj green I'd say would absolutely be worth two firsts (assuming he's aj green personality too not like dez Bryant)
Watkins is not worth mortgaging the draft for. I think he'll be good but he lacks elite size. I don't think he'll ever be a top 5 WR in this league.
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I think that depends heavily where he lands.
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New dream scenario: we manage to get Cooks and trade back into the late first for Carr.
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Damn it, I can't see any pics!
gifs of Andy Samberg jizzing in his pants
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Brian Costello @BrianCoz 1m
I think the Jets take Texas Tech TE Jace Amaro tonight in Round 2. They may have to move up to get him. #nyj
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Brian Costello @BrianCoz 1m
I think the Jets take Texas Tech TE Jace Amaro tonight in Round 2. They may have to move up to get him. #nyj
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Hey man, it's an immediate starter that will give the passing game a boost.
I'd prefer ASJ or a wideout, but I'm not going to complain if the Jets go out and get another starter that can catch the football.
I love the honk system.
We have Coach K's sausage finger typing to thank for this wonderful rating system.
See I had no idea where this bit came from I just assumed it started when I went AWOL.
I guess I can find the source in the typo thread
Hey man, it's an immediate starter that will give the passing game a boost.
I'd prefer ASJ or a wideout, but I'm not going to complain if the Jets go out and get another starter that can catch the football.
And we ran his derriere out of town because he wasn't good enough at the one thing he could do.
anyone have a list of the rookie's twitter accounts?
anyone have a list of the rookie's twitter accounts?
This tweet is amazing:
Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers 1m
Geno Smith's agent attacked http://bit.ly/1loX36s
That would be Jay-Z, one of the music world's wealthiest, most powerful and most recognizable individuals, about whom you're talking.
Coples: "I think that guys have a different vibe and a different feeling going into this season. Expectations are high, but we got a lot more firepower, we had a lot of additions in free agency, we had the 12 picks in the draft, there's a lot of things going great for us. There's a lot of momentum going into camp."
And from Colon:
"Honestly, when I walked in here last year, it was different—it was different than what I was used to... but right now, guys are always around each other, it seems like more of a family environment."
"I wasn't here when they made the AFC championship runs, but [Mangold and Ferguson] are talking that it starts to feel like that again, so that's a step in the right direction."
I actually read more of Colon's comments on Cimini's blog earlier and Willie intimated that there was less cancer in the locker room. Cimini assumed Holmes and Winslow were the biggest culprits, which is likely right. Addition by subtraction.
Absolutely none of that surprises me.
Definitely. I wasn't aware Winslow was that much of an issue, but Holmes was clearly the biggest locker room problem this team has had in the post-Favre era.
Definitely. I wasn't aware Winslow was that much of an issue, but Holmes was clearly the biggest locker room problem this team has had in the post-Favre era.
I think it's really telling, that he is still sitting on the market, jobless. Clearly teams saw him as a gigantic cancerous tumor in our lockerroom and do t want him anywhere near their young QBs, no matter how much potential he has.
Well he was sitting on the job market jobless for quite a while before we signed him too
Not only is he a headcase who got arrested multiple times last year, he's also got extreme medical red flags and personality issues.
I think there's a laundry list of reasons why he's not signed
Mason and Burress were really bad as well.
I think it's really telling, that he is still sitting on the market, jobless. Clearly teams saw him as a gigantic cancerous tumor in our lockerroom and do t want him anywhere near their young QBs, no matter how much potential he has.
I forgot about Mason. He wasn't here that long though. Plax wasn't either. And while both might have been an issue, neither were as bad as Holmes. Holmes managed to get into a fight with the team's QB in the huddle.
Definitely. I wasn't aware Winslow was that much of an issue, but Holmes was clearly the biggest locker room problem this team has had in the post-Favre era.
Have you ever seen Winslow interviewed? I can't see any way that everyone in the locker room doesn't think he's a massive queynte.
I was talking about Holmes not Winslow. Everybody knows Winslow is old broken and other stuff is just more reason to stay away. Holmes can still play ball when healthy.
It's not about how long they were here. The end result of bringing in those 2 miserable cunts was having to release Cotchery or more specifically, him asking for his release. So you can argue that signing those 2, affected the team as much if not more so than Holmes. Just saying.
Have you ever seen Winslow interviewed? I can't see any way that everyone in the locker room doesn't think he's a massive queynte.
Same arguments (malcontent, diminished skills, medical etc.) apply to either one.
At least in Holmes defense he was moderately healthy last year, and still capable of performing reasonably.
And there was more than a handful of stories about how he took the young guys under his wing and spent a lot of time teaching them. Even when he was hurt.
There was also a lot of talk about how he was mentoring and teaching Hill... Of course Hill has continued to look like a horrendous bust.
Honestly, I can't recall ever seeing an interview with him. I'll take your word for it though.
Jets claimed RB Daryl Richardson off waivers from the Rams.http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football
Richardson opened 2013 in a starting role with St. Louis, but appeared in only eight games while dealing with various injuries. He averaged just 3.1 yards per carry when healthy last year after averaging 4.8 YPC as a rookie. Richardson should compete with Bilal Powell for a roster spot as a change-of-pace back.
http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football
Camp Comp for the final RB spot should be a good one.
If we keep 3 the last slot is between Richardson, Powell and Goodson, if we keep 4 i'd bet it's Goodson vs. Richardson.
has anyone heard about this town hall style meet and greet that Rex and Idzik hosted last night with all the draft picks and the fans? Boomer and Carton are raving about it. Apparently Idzik was the man and they introduced all the draft picks, stated why they wanted them and how they could help the team, and played a highlight reel
has anyone heard about this town hall style meet and greet that Rex and Idzik hosted last night with all the draft picks and the fans? Boomer and Carton are raving about it. Apparently Idzik was the man and they introduced all the draft picks, stated why they wanted them and how they could help the team, and played a highlight reel
Kristian Dyer @KristianRDyer 1h
Just caught up with Coples, said he dropped 15 pounds this offseason. Sounds like an expanded role at outside linebacker this year. #nyjets
Mehta Exclusive: Quinton Coples battling with eating disorder and drug addiction
Kristian Dyer @KristianRDyer 1h
Just caught up with Coples, said he dropped 15 pounds this offseason. Sounds like an expanded role at outside linebacker this year. #nyjets
If Coples is going to play a significant amount of time at OLB, it would behoove him to be quicker.Yep. I don't think he needs to drop a ton of weight, since he's still mostly either rushing the passer or stopping the run. But for plays where he needs to be in space, 275 instead of 290 should help a lot, and still help him be fearsome.
If Coples is going to play a significant amount of time at OLB, it would behoove him to be quicker.
Yep. I don't think he needs to drop a ton of weight, since he's still mostly either rushing the passer or stopping the run. But for plays where he needs to be in space, 275 instead of 290 should help a lot, and still help him be fearsome.
More importantly, it says Coples was willing to do something that the coaching staff presumably asked him to do, on his own. That speaks positively for his work ethic, which some had questions about.
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 1m
Anonymous source reports Coples has cloven hooves for feet, the mark of the beast. Raises questions about the state of the NYJ locker room (and his work ethic).
Well I don't think him being in space is an issue. I remember he was compared to how Baltimore used Suggs, and he just straight rushed like 93% of the time or some high number
Safe bet is Coples will be in that same ballpark
Just from the topic of Sanchez and the buttfumble...
Is there any any chance he ends up in the Jets ring of honor?
I mean he probably has more playoffs wins than any QB in the history of the the franchise.
Is there any any chance he ends up in the Jets ring of honor?
We should retire #6 ... and burn it.
That's absurd. Sanchez was an average QB for us. Neither great nor terrible.
So, I was at the Rangers game on Sunday night and this chick in front of me is taking shots with a very fine digital camera. We're in row 20 and she's able to get tight enough with the camera that you could make out the laces on King's glove. I finally ask her about the camera and she says to me, "I need a good camera so that I can take photos of my husband, he plays for the Jets." My obvious question is "who?" To which she replies, Purdum.
Nice enough chick and she had absolutely nothing to add regarding the Jets, other than that we need a new punter.
Great derriere, for what it's worth.
So, I was at the Rangers game on Sunday night and this chick in front of me is taking shots with a very fine digital camera. We're in row 20 and she's able to get tight enough with the camera that you could make out the laces on King's glove. I finally ask her about the camera and she says to me, "I need a good camera so that I can take photos of my husband, he plays for the Jets." My obvious question is "who?" To which she replies, Purdum.
Nice enough chick and she had absolutely nothing to add regarding the Jets, other than that we need a new punter.
Great derriere, for what it's worth.
Did you introduce her to your brother?
She already knew of him. But she did ask if I was a "Friend of Puck."
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Long Snapper's Wife a Gum Flapper: Kara Purdum throws punter under bus during public tirade, locker room in chaos
The buttfumble will be his lasting legacy. That ain't good.
Makes sense that she needs a good camera then. Guess not too many photographers are trying to get photos of long snappers
If people choose to make it that. He also was the winningest QB is our post-season history by age 23.
The only people who think that was his defining moment are usually Dolphins or Patriots fans trying to make fun of the Jets.
outer space hahaha... solid move by this guy
The only people who think that was his defining moment are usually Dolphins or Patriots fans trying to make fun of the Jets.
Well to be fair it seems like that may have been pretty close to his defining moment
Otherwise he wouldntve been let go, and end up taking a deal for excrement money to be a backup
you're right, he was cut because of the buttfumble and not because of his $17 million a year contract and the fact he was a bottom tier NFL quarterback his entire career here
#wouldntve
I said let go not cut.
Well to be fair it seems like that may have been pretty close to his defining moment
Otherwise he wouldntve been let go, and end up taking a deal for excrement money to be a backup
I said let go not cut. Obviously paying him that was out of the quest. But they decided to not bring him back on the cheap either, despite him having a reputation as a leader and hard worker.
And considering how little money he took to go to Philly, it seems the front office would've been able to bring him back for quite a bargain.
If the front office didn't think he was a joke on the field, he'd be here right now
Considering he was still on the team the next year... nah brah.
or they thought Vick was a better option and Sanchez had run his course here.
A 34 year old injury prone run first quarterback.
And Philly thought Sanchez was a better option
Comparing teams with 2 wildly different starting QB situations? Come on man, stop that bs.
Clearly it was because of one play 2 years ago.
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Doesn't matter. Tho buttfumble was huge. Look at Vinny. Got us to the AFC Championship after the team sucked for a long time. That was one season, and he was average/meh for the rest of his time here. He'll always be viewed positively. Why? Because he didn't have any major fuckups.
Sanchez will forever be associated with the two Jets AFC Champ runs as Rex Grossman is viewed by bears fans for their SB run.
My point was the front office could have brought him back for a very reasonable price but chose not to.
So they couldn't have thought much of him
no point keeping an overpaid qb you have little faith in, especially if you have one that's equally as bad and has more potential at this point..
and of course they didn't bring sanchez back on the cheap, what would that accomplish? he wouldn't be a decent mentor to geno and he'd be third string after signing vick.
They wouldn't have signed Vick if they wanted to bring Sanchez back. And the mentor thing is immaterial.
My point was the front office could have brought him back for a very reasonable price but chose not to.
So they couldn't have thought much of him
Why not? Idzik likes to preach about his competition philosophy, if he brought bak Sanchez he'd have 3 quarterbacks with starting experience fighting to be the starter.
Except for, No one in the building still wanted Sanchez there, and neither did the fans.
Nacho had to go. We have to know if Geno can be the guy with Sanchez around, he probably wouldn't get that chance. if Vick (who has publically stated Geno is the guy) beats him out, we certainly have our answer don't we?
With or without Sanchez I think Geno would have been given a chance to show that he's probably not the answer at qb longterm.
this
Well sure but considering the amount of pressure to kick Sanchez out it's no shock he's gone.
They wouldn't have signed Vick if they wanted to bring Sanchez back. And the mentor thing is immaterial.
black quarterbacks gotta stick together mang
GM2K
Chris Johnson @ChrisJohnson28
Let's bring Andre johnson to the jets legooo
Well, we aren't paying him to be smart.
I read this morning (Manish?) that Johnson is 33 and is due $10M with a $15M+ cap hit this year, with an escalating number through 2016.
The one and only way I'd even consider bringing him here is if they took a late-round pick and Vick shows in camp that he's capable of carrying the offense to the Super Bowl this year. It would be an all-in move and if it failed the entire team would be gutted.
Well it looks like we have a good couple of months of hearing the media beat the Geno/Vick competition/not competition story to a bloody pulp. How many ways can you ask the same question? The NY media will find out.
Well it looks like we have a good couple of months of hearing the media beat the Geno/Vick competition/not competition story to a bloody pulp. How many ways can you ask the same question? The NY media will find out.
Coples is not frustrating the Jets.
Rotoworld needs to DIAF
I'm going to need a translator for him.
I have literally no idea what any of this means.
http://grantland.com/features/nfl-stats-predicting-success/
So what I read was, "The Jets are going to be excrement next year and we just made up some new statistics to prove it". That about right?
Coach Rex Ryan expressed frustration with CB Dee Milliner after he sat out Wednesday's OTA session with a tight hamstring.
"He has to understand that he has to be in extraordinary shape," Ryan said. "His challenge is to be in world-class shape because we have to have you out there. He needs to be out there. He needs to get work because that’s how he’s going to get better. He’s got to step it up because I think he has all the talent in the world." Milliner missed game action last season with hamstring troubles. He also missed a large chunk of his rookie offseason with shoulder and Achilles' issues.
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/06/after_practice_at_jets_complex_portugals_cristiano_ronaldo_tries_punting_football.html
No video? Weak.
No video? Weak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ux3vX2bzhg
I really hope this guy shows enough in camp to beat out T-Bo. This is a pretty good highlight reel.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/06/10/2014-depth-chart-new-york-jets/
PFF's 2014 Jets Depth Chart is up. No real issues with any of the ratings. I might have bumped Nick Folk and Tanner Purdum up a peg, but then again, I don't think I've ever seen Tanner Purdum make a tackle during punt coverage. Maybe that's taken into account. Whether Brick and Nick just had off years, or whether they are truly on the decline remains to be seen.
EDIT: Purdum has seven total tackles as a Jet, two of which were solo tackles.
Mo Wilkerson was #42 in NFLN's Top 100 countdown
Takeaway from Jets OTA: Brian Winters could transition from LG to RG if Colon biceps/knee rehab lingers. Aboushi has opened eyes at LG #nyj—Why was Aboushi getting action at LG?
Manish Mehta
Rex: "I'm impressed with Aboushi a little more in these camps than at any time last year...he's done a pretty decent job out there."
Kristian Dyer
Why was Aboushi getting action at LG?
I figure Winters shouldve gotten all the action he could at LG (where he played last year) and with Colon hurt having Aboushi taking all the action on the right
Why was Aboushi getting action at LG?
I figure Winters shouldve gotten all the action he could at LG (where he played last year) and with Colon hurt having Aboushi taking all the action on the right
Brian Winters is our best guard with Willie Colon out, so Aboushi needs to play between Ferguson and Mangold.That makes perfect sense. It's just the whole Aboushi opening eyes thing. Almost sounded to me like he looked like he could be better than Winters (potentially?)
Better hope that Dozier comes along, because it's not a good thing at all that Winters is our best guard.
That makes perfect sense. It's just the whole Aboushi opening eyes thing. Almost sounded to me like he looked like he could be better than Winters (potentially?)
Brian Winters is our best guard with Willie Colon out, so Aboushi needs to play between Ferguson and Mangold.
Better hope that Dozier comes along, because it's not a good thing at all that Winters is our best guard.
Lots of people were high on us drafting Winters last year. Either we were all wrong or he just needs more time.Well learning a new position buys him a complete pass for the first year in my book.
Based on the evidence of last season, MBGreen is probably a better guard than Brian Winters.
probably...
i think i'll stick with being a 265lb Cornerback.
As long as you never celebrate when a receiver drops a pass, you'll probably be considered better than Kyle Wilson.
I'd rather see one of the young guys make the team rather than ford anyway.
Though would've been nice to see him succeed on special teams
From r/nyjets:
(http://i.imgur.com/imOfkqu.jpg)
Probably figuring out a prison bitch strategy.
There isn't much room for him behind Ivory, CJ, and Powell anyway. Not too worried
Chris Johnson told reporters Wednesday he believes he's still capable of rushing for 2,000 yards.
"I’d just retire and not play anymore if I didn’t feel like I was still capable of being a 2,000-yard back," Johnson said. "I know I have the ability." On tape, we haven't noticed a severe decline in ability from Johnson, but his willingness to fight for yardage and break tackles has waned. "I don’t feel like I’m getting older or I lost a step," he insisted. "I still feel good. I still feel explosive." Johnson is expected to be the Jets' lead back in a committee with Chris Ivory.
But does anyone think he could actually still be an elite back here ?
http://screamer.deadspin.com/rex-ryans-enjoying-some-footy-in-brazil-1594517796/+samer
Antonio cromartie ran a 4.34 at a workout
The Jets didn't cut him because of his struggles running in a straight line.
Antonio cromartie ran a 4.34 at a workout
The Jets didn't cut him because of his struggles running in a straight line.
Chris Johnson believes he will not be involved in a timeshare with Chris Ivory on the Jets.
"As for the timeshare and all that, it won't be an issue I'm pretty sure," said Johnson. "... At the end of the day, if I continue to play like I've been playing, they're going to keep handing the ball off to me." It's worth noting that incumbent starter Ivory averaged 4.58 yards per carry last season. Johnson averaged 3.86. There's a good case to be made that Ivory is the Jets' best runner.
Whoever isn't on IR/dead will get the carries. You can assume that all 3 won't be playing every game this year.I'd probably be willing to assume that about any team that uses 3 running backs regularly
I hate to say this at this risk of being a jinx, but I think we got real lucky with Ivory's health last year. I can't see him staying healthy like that. Dude runs 100pct on every play. While awesome on the surface, it means he's more likely to injury himself.
Jets OC Marty Mornhinweg referred to Chris Johnson as a "first-ballot Hall of Famer."
First-ballot HOF running backs, even on the downside of their careers, don't typically share carries. So if Mornhinweg truly believes Johnson belongs in that category, he'll be a good bet to hold off Chris Ivory. Johnson recently stated he doesn't believe the Jets' backfield will be a timeshare. We suspect it's probably only a matter of time before CJ?K begins complaining about his workload.
I'm excited for ebony and ivory
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-5/Jets-to-Host-July-16-Movie-Night-at-Stadium-/80e97855-df37-4fd5-ada2-3498b34c3b8bFree face painting!?
Sounds like his Jets career might not be over, despite the previous news about an injury settlement
Huh?
The article rotoworld referenced here was over a month old.
Ill assume it was a typo on NJ.com ?
I mean it says June 9th, and today is the 9th...
I don't think so. In the article, it refers to another article as "last week......", which is dated June 4th.
Also, in the main article it says, "The Jets have their final set of voluntary OTAs scheduled today through Thursday, with mandatory minicamp on tap for June 17-19. After that, there are no formal team offseason workouts until training camp."
Youre right
Pretty stupid
Cimini mentions that Amaro seems lost in campI wish Cimini could at least wait until camp starts before he starts doing excrement like this.
And speculates that we bring in a blocking tight end or Jumbo te (we let Reuland our blocking te go, and Ducasse our Jumbo)
Cimini mentions that Amaro seems lost in camp
I wish Cimini could at least wait until camp starts before he starts doing excrement like this.It's not like he said anything outlandish
Amaro had a wildly different offense in school, and has said that the playbook was a lot
Hell people on these boards mentioned us bringing in a blocking te before, like that guy from Baltimore whose name escapes me
keep calm and smoky joe bruh
Lol. Point taken. I'll stop.
I don't know if anyone knew this, but apparently Demario Davis is Steve McNair's cousin. Weird.
I don't know if anyone knew this, but apparently Demario Davis is Steve McNair's cousin. Weird.Hopefully they don't have the same taste in women
Hopefully they don't have the same taste in women
Davis is too Christian to cheat on his wife. He'll get a divorce if he wants to bang somebody else, like Russell Wilson did.
One of my players told me that Golden Tate was "stickin'" Russell Wilson's wife and that's what happened.
For some reason I never entertained the possibly that she could have cheated on him.
Didn't know that, but they are both from Mississippi...so now it makes more sense.
Their hometowns are 15 minutes apart.
Quentin Groves worked out for the Jets today.Is it possible we could ever have a Quentin and Quinton starting opposite each other?
Is it possible we could ever have a Quentin and Quinton starting opposite each other?No.
“David Harris is the most underrated player in the league,” Ryan told the Daily News. “It ain't close! It ain’t close! You could have a top 100... and he’s not even mentioned. And I’m like, ‘What?!’”
Pro Football Focus ranked Harris 18th out of 55 inside linebackers in a 3-4 base scheme last year. He has started every game (86) since Ryan took over five years ago and been terrific in run support.
Harris, however, has struggled in pass coverage. Quarterbacks had a 119.2 passer rating throwing into Harris' coverage last season. Only six linebackers allowed a worse rating.
Is it possible we could ever have a Quentin and Quinton starting opposite each other?
Is it possible we could ever have a Quentin and Quinton starting opposite each other?
Not possible.
Quentin Groves worked out for the Jets today.
Its interesting that you always see this coming from the Jets, and not so much the rest of the league.
Unless you follow the Green Bay and Arizona and Buffalo and Jacksonville beat writers as closely as you do the Jets writers, you're not going to see it so much from other teams. They all do it.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/myers-darrelle-revis-admits-wanted-ny-jets-reunion-article-1.1880245
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/myers-darrelle-revis-admits-wanted-ny-jets-reunion-article-1.1880245
Calvin Pryor on Instagram:
blessed_2x5: Minor Setback...no concussion & I'll be back in no time
@HubbuchNYP: Mark Sanchez on Philly vs. New York: "The fans are a lot nicer here." BOOM
One of the greatest comedy moments, Bill Burr vs Philly
Bill Burr gives Philly a talking to... (Full Vers…: http://youtu.be/rNnkDjMVJqE
@HubbuchNYP: Mark Sanchez on Philly vs. New York: "The fans are a lot nicer here." BOOM
(http://i.imgur.com/50OKr0Q.png)I'm surprised it wasn't from Manish
He must be thinking, "Really? I change teams and conferences and I still have those NYC media dickheads writing excrement about me? What more do I have to freaking do?"
He has to die, that's literally the only way they will stop. But even then he will still get brought up regularly. But at least he won't be around to care.
Yet somehow Rich Kotite managed to live in NY for years undisturbed.
Yet somehow Rich Kotite managed to live in NY for years undisturbed.
Yet somehow Rich Kotite managed to live in NY for years undisturbed.
Well, the Jets were already pretty shitty when Kotite took over anyway.
The same writers who wrote about the neutered-and-on-the-hotseat Rex last year are the same ones shaking their heads at the "same old Jets bravado" now. This media is a pack of hyenas.
At least "same old" now applies to our team's confidence and not, you know, sucking.
Also, is it a coincidence that when we had serious swagger and insane overconfidence, we were at our best? Or did the insane confidence contribute to how good we actually were?
Also, is it a coincidence that when we had serious swagger and insane overconfidence, we were at our best? Or did the insane confidence contribute to how good we actually were?
This is some proper locker room leadership.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/defense-green-demario-davis-article-1.1884989
Very Ray Lewis-esque.
"Our goals are extremely high," said one of those players, linebacker Demario Davis, on Wednesday in an interview tent after practice. "The things you're hearing aren't just words, it's coming from a place. It's coming from deep down. We're confident in who we are, but the work has to precede the glory."
Davis gets it. He's a young player who speaks like a seasoned veteran. Listening to him in the tent conjured up memories of Ronnie Lott (circa 1993) and Bryan Cox (1998) and Thomas Jones (2009), locker-room leaders that inspired with words but understood their words didn't have to be in headlines for validation.
On Tuesday, Davis did a radio interview in which he essentially called out his defensive teammates for not working hard enough -- at least not hard enough to be considered the best defense in the league, as linebacker Calvin Pace proclaimed. Davis said "too many people are saying we can be the best defense or we are the best defense, but the work has to show it." Behind closed doors, he talks that way all the time, trying to convince teammates to join him for extra film watching and to hang out with him after practice, doing more work.
"Guys like that, you have no problem following, because he most definitely tries to lead you to the promised land," said defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson, claiming that Davis takes it personally if he sees a player loafing on defense.
Amid the white noise, Davis is the voice of reason. Fittingly, he spearheaded one of the best defensive practices in a long time. On the fifth play of team drills, he stepped in front of a wide-receiver screen, made the interception and returned it about 20 yards for a touchdown. That's what you call a tone setter. Four interceptions and a few sacks ensued, as Ryan's beloved defense terrorized the offense.
"Just a perfect day for us," Richardson said.
It was only one play in a July practice, so perspective is in order, but you can't ignore the symbolism. There was an uncommonly mature player, speaking with actions, not words, and later saying the great day will be reduced to "smoke" if the defense can't do it again Thursday.
That should be the stuff of headlines.
Vick met with the media for about three minutes after practice, and the Jets' media relations staff had just announced that Vick would be taking one more question when ESPN New York's Rich Cimini asked whether the reps breakdown indicated the coaches had made a decision.
"Decision about what?" Vick asked.
"The quarterback job," Cimini answered.
"I'm outta here," Vick said.
He then smiled and added, "Ya'll have a good one."
As he departed, Vick had to walk right past Cimini.
"Well, I mean—that's a fair question," Cimini said.
Vick, smiling, said, "It's a fair question, man," and patted Cimini on the butt.
I'm getting very annoyed by Americans who can't get their own contraction correct. It's "y'all", not "ya'll". There are no missing letters between the a and the l.
I hate that too.
Ya'll think Geno will be starting over Vick?
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/07/watch_mike_vick_ends_interview_abruptly_pats_reporter_on_the_butt.html
Video in link
M'Nish Mehta
G'No Sm'th
Jets signed RB Michael Smith, formerly of the Bucs.
Smith is an undersized burner out of Utah State. The Buccaneers cut him in May. Smith will likely be a practice body until the Jets make final cuts.
Rotoshart:Don't see a need at running back, and don't see us wasting a practice squad spot on one
Don't see a need at running back, and don't see us wasting a practice squad spot on one
Don't see a need at running back, and don't see us wasting a practice squad spot on one
Nothing wrong with adding a practice body for the majority of camp
Nothing wrong with adding a practice body for the majority of campOops I read practice squad, they said practice body.
Mo' money.....Mo' money.....Mo' money..........
Now we can finally sign LaRon Landry.
Seth Walder @SethWalderNYDN
Jets signed OL Bruce Campbell. Jermaine Cunningham was placed on IR. #nyj
"Hail to the king, baby."
Any day with an Evil Dead quote is a good day.
Did you like Army of Darkness?
It's years since I've seen those movies, but yes, I loved them all.
The first person to text Rex after his son broke his collarbone was Mark Sanchez to ask for the kid's number. Say whatever you want about Sanchez the player, but as far as a person, he's a class act.Rex was Sanchezs biggest advocate by far here
I still think that their front office fucked Mark Sanchez more than anything. Being overconfident in excrement players like Wayne Hunter and letting the receiving corps fall apart was just not good offensive management.
Totally agree. The team failed him and he in turn failed.
On the brightside, had he improved a little bit...we might have Mark Sanchez getting paid like Andy Dalton is right now. So at least there's that.Plus now we got Geno and Vick
Plus now we got Geno and Vick
I still think that their front office fucked Mark Sanchez more than anything. Being overconfident in excrement players like Wayne Hunter and letting the receiving corps fall apart was just not good offensive management.
Let it go dude.
I still think that their front office fucked Mark Sanchez more than anything. Being overconfident in excrement players like Wayne Hunter and letting the receiving corps fall apart was just not good offensive management.
Let it go dude.
I mean, you could make the same argument that it's offensive mismanagement to go five straight years without drafting an offensive player in the 1st round.
To be fair though, we have taken an offensive player in the second round every year during that timespan (not counting 2011 when we traded our 2nd for Cro).
No, it's the Jets fault that Sanchez sucked.
To be fair though, we have taken an offensive player in the second round every year during that timespan (not counting 2011 when we traded our 2nd for Cro).
A developmental lineman, a developmental receiver, and another quarterback. Not exactly giving immediate help.
Jace Amaro is the most polished skill player this team has draft in the first two rounds since 2001 when we took Santana Moss. The offense has been neglected for a really, really long time.
When a player coming out of Texas Tech's offense is your most polished drafted skill position player in 14 seasons, that's not good.
I'm in complete agreement with you.
If Rex gets canned after this season... Darrell Bevell 2015!
http://youtu.be/Biw6CTEnviM?t=2m16s
Karl Dunbar's look-alike on Hard Knocks.
Wow thanks. I totally forgot about HK. Need my fix.
For your viewing pleasure:
http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2cr4qt/hard_knocks_2014_ep_1_in_7_parts/
Wow thanks. I totally forgot about HK. Need my fix.
Don't you live in Hong Kong?
Hahahahaha this guy rips Gary Myers:
http://turnonthejets.com/2014/08/sadness-new-york-jets-media/#more-23116 (http://turnonthejets.com/2014/08/sadness-new-york-jets-media/#more-23116)
lol @ the Mike Donnelly
If it is Please delete my post I didn't even realize.
I always wondered from where those Mike Donelly jokes came from! What was the article about? I arrived late to that story (the plagiarizing one)
I always wondered from where those Mike Donelly jokes came from! What was the article about? I arrived late to that story (the plagiarizing one)
(which apparently is prounouced Man-Eeesh, not Man-ish)
MacDonald didn't think too highly of the stadium the other two New York teams play in. He rated MetLife Stadium in New Jersey one of the league's worst places to watch a game, though he said the experience was slightly better when the Giants were playing.
"I found Jets fans to be a bit more, I guess, negative … humorless perhaps," MacDonald told the New York Post. "I found the fans around me to complain as soon as something bad happened. There's also a bit more drunkenness and that sort of thing."
I always wondered from where those Mike Donelly jokes came from! What was the article about? I arrived late to that story (the plagiarizing one)
What was his forum name again ?
Was it I love applesauce or is that libero's former name?
He's 100% correct, I can't argue with any of it. Metlife for a brand new stadium sucks and the average Jets fan complains about every freaking thing.
What was his forum name again ?
Was it I love applesauce or is that libero's former name?
What was his forum name again ?
Was it I love applesauce or is that libero's former name?
Don't associate me with that Donelly guy. I was nyjetsrule when I got on TGG as like an 8th grader lol
I didn't realize you were that tenured, most of the names with "jets" in them tend to blend in to the background.
someone, quick. does GQsanchez post here?
someone, quick. does GQsanchez post here?
I have no idea, he probably changed his name again to hide his post history from his pizza.That dude definitely smokes dick
Oh yeah my derriere has been around (on TGG) since 9/13/03.
I'm probably one of the 5 or 6 longest tenured guys around.
That dude definitely smokes dick
There was a big board crash in 02 so my start date is gone, but started lurking there some time during the 01-02 season. I thought everyone was so smart back then, now I know how remarkably stupid 99% of Jet fans are.
Don't associate me with that Donelly guy. I was nyjetsrule when I got on TGG as like an 8th grader lol
I didn't associate you with him. I associated you with insanity.
Same here. I signed up in early 2001 or late 2000, can't remember. My first reaction was "Holy excrement, these guys actually know the names of all the players!"
Ah yes the good ol' days when Internet forums were young and we were just finding out how it all went together.
Aw, bless. It's cute that you kids think you invented this stuff.
BBS and Usenet groups are older than you.
Ah yes the good ol' days when Internet forums were young and we were just finding out how it all went together. I was just happy to have jets fans to talk too as there weren't any others from my hick town.
Looking back at my posts from 10 years ago is horrifying...
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/60/60879b9dfa4aaf349ee60d14d8e0b5f8fe5a5a883cf5cd23bf55668049df8368.jpg)
Is that Milliner?
Looking back at my posts from 10 years ago is horrifying...
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/60/60879b9dfa4aaf349ee60d14d8e0b5f8fe5a5a883cf5cd23bf55668049df8368.jpg)
A bunch of us from TGG raided the raider forum during the 2001 or 2002 playoffs. They archive all their old posts, so last year I was able to log in and find mine. I remember some of my posts looking like this: "lol the raiders suck... Gannon is old rofl"
Shiver.
1. Seattle Seahawks
After last year's Super Bowl victory, this shouldn't be much of a surprise. But in case you needed a reminder: In Seattle's base defense, all 11 starters -- never mind the guys on the bench -- are solid or above-average players. There are only 20 players in the league who are likely to be bench guys this season that we think would rate as good starters. The Seahawks' defense has two of them in DT Kevin Williams and Super Bowl MVP Malcolm Smith.
If there is any weakness, it is slot cornerback Jeremy Lane. He was decent in 2013, in allowing an NFL passer rating of 81.1 and defending three passes, but his inexperience showed at times. Still, Lane isn't enough to hold the Legion of Boom back from having the best secondary in the league.
2. Kansas City Chiefs
There are 23 defensive players we consider elite. The only team with more than two is the Chiefs: Dontari Poe at nose tackle, Justin Houston at left outside linebacker and Eric Berry at strong safety. Their strongest unit is their edge rushers; there, Houston pairs with Tamba Hali. Rookie Dee Ford was just added to the mix as well. Hali led all 3-4 outside linebackers in pressures last year, with 77, while Houston's 59 pressures were seventh best, even though he missed the last five games of the regular season.
Kansas City's weakest link is the secondary. Aside from Berry, the Chiefs have mostly average defensive backs.
3. San Francisco 49ers
The 49ers make it this high on the list thanks to an excellent front seven. For the past three years, they've had Ray McDonald and Justin Smith at defensive end, Ahmad Brooks and Aldon Smith at outside linebacker, and Patrick Willis with NaVorro Bowman at inside linebacker. Once Bowman is healthy, those six players will be reunited.
The injury to Glenn Dorsey is potentially a big loss -- Dorsey was quietly impressive at nose tackle the past season -- but the core of an excellent defense remains intact. This should be one of the league's best units again in 2014, even as some key contributors rack up mileage.
4. Denver Broncos
Given last year's Super Bowl performance and the Broncos' less-than-sturdy defensive reputation, it might be surprising to see them rated this high. To make our case: Denver will get Von Miller, who led the league in 2012 with 86 pressures, back this season; they added safety T.J. Ward and pass rusher DeMarcus Ware in free agency; and DB Chris Harris also returns from injury.
This isn't a slam dunk, though, particularly considering how much the Broncos like to rotate their linemen. Their top eight players played between 300 and 800 snaps the past season. While they have some quality players along the line -- particularly Terrance Knighton -- they don't have the depth to always have multiple quality linemen on the field.
5. New England Patriots
The Patriots' defense has been improving over the past few years. This offseason, it only got better. They added arguably the league's best cornerback in Darrelle Revis. He allowed 0.72 yards per coverage snap, which was second best in the league. He is now paired with the league's best safety, Devin McCourty, who led all safeties in passes defended the past season.
They have good starters across the board in the front seven, where they're led by Vince Wilfork and Jerod Mayo and up-and-coming linebacker Jamie Collins. One caveat: the top four teams on the list have at least one great pass-rusher. The Pats don't have anyone who can reliably wreak havoc on opposing QBs.
6. Buffalo Bills
The Bills' strength is in the interior of their defense. In 2013, three Bills interior linemen had at least 25 run stops. That group is led by Kyle Williams, who also had 69 pressures in '13, a top-five mark for interior linemen. Like the 49ers, Patriots and Seahawks, all 12 of the Bills' starters (crediting nickel corners as starters) have proven to be average NFL starters or better. That can't be said for 28 other NFL teams, though the season-ending injury to Kiko Alonso will hurt.
This season, they add Brandon Spikes, which will make it even more difficult for teams to run up the middle. They could have issues in the secondary, though. After losing Jairus Byrd in free agency, the Bills lack any player who excels in coverage.
7. Carolina Panthers
The defense is led by two outstanding linebackers in Luke Kuechly and Thomas Davis. That pair combined for 51 run stops, six interceptions and six passes defended last year. When their best four players are in, Carolina's defensive line is also quite formidable. They are led by Greg Hardy, who had 39 combined sacks and hits, which was third best for all players not named J.J. Watt or Robert Quinn.
While the defense has as much star power as any team up front, their secondary is a big cause for concern, given that it has lost four of its five best defensive backs.
8. Miami Dolphins
The Dolphins make it into the top fourth of the league due to their star players. Their best player on D is Cameron Wake, who had 71 pressures, fourth most among 4-3 defensive ends, despite missing games and being limited in his playing time for most of the first half of the season. They also have Brent Grimes, one of the league's most underrated corners, who had four interceptions and 14 passes defended last year and did not allow a touchdown in coverage all year. There's great rotational depth at defensive tackle here too.
On the downside, they have a few mediocre starters, and the majority of their depth is inexperienced.
9. New Orleans Saints
Few teams have been able to turn a negative into a positive like the Saints have with their defensive backs. They invested recent high draft picks in Kenny Vaccaro and Stanley Jean-Baptiste while adding free agents Jairus Byrd, Keenan Lewis and Champ Bailey. Another big change for New Orleans was the emergence of Cameron Jordan and Junior Galette as a pass rushing duo. Each had at least 12 sacks, 12 hits and 30 hurries.
Two of the Saints' highest paid players are Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne. Both have played two years for the team at roughly $8 million per, and neither has yet paid dividends.
10. Green Bay Packers
The Packers are another defense that should be much improved in 2014. The defense's best two players, Clay Matthews and slot cornerback Casey Hayward, played only a combined 659 snaps in 2013. Outside of Matthews, the Packers' strength is at cornerback, where they have Tramon Williams and Sam Shields. Those two allowed 57 percent and 50 percent catch rates, respectively, last season; combine them with Hayward and you have one of the league's best secondaries.
Mike Daniels is a force inside who brought pressure on 11.7 percent of his pass rushes in 2013, sixth best for 3-4 defensive ends. While they have added a lot of draft picks and even free agents to the line, the Packers remain short on proven quality there and are waiting for players to step up.
11. Cincinnati Bengals
The Bengals are yet another team that will see their top two players return from injury. Defensive tackle Geno Atkins had 78 pressures in 2012, which was the second most for any defensive tackle in a season since 2007. He was missed dearly this past season. Cincy also gets back Leon Hall, one of the league's best slot corners, who allowed 0.65 yards per coverage snap from the slot. That put him second best in 2012 before he missed time last year as well.
A number of other well-known players are mixed in among the starting lineup. Vontaze Burfict, Carlos Dunlap, Adam Jones and Reggie Nelson will all make a sizable impact. Still, the losses of Michael Johnson, James Harrison and Chris Crocker will hurt them, and there are some players who will need to step up in 2014.
12. Detroit Lions
Like most teams in the middle of the pack, the Detroit defense has some assets mixed with some question marks. While Ndamukong Suh's sack numbers weren't all that high in 2013, it was his best year as a pro. With 72 pressures, he was constantly making life difficult for the quarterback. Their next best player isn't nearly as well known, but middle linebacker Stephen Tulloch had a defensive stop on 11.3 percent of his run plays, which was fifth best for middle and inside linebackers.
The Lions will be relying a lot on recent high draft picks in Ezekiel Ansah, Kyle Van Noy and Darius Slay. If all three live up to expectations, the question for the Lions might be how far in the playoffs they can go, rather than whether they can make the postseason at all.
13. Baltimore Ravens
The Ravens have some aging playmakers on defense, but they have not reached the point where they've stopped making plays. Few teams are two-deep at pass rusher like Baltimore is, with Elvis Dumervil and Terrell Suggs. Both posted double-digit sacks, double-digit hits and double-digit hurries the past season. They also have a few players who are somewhat one-dimensional but very good in their respective specialties.
Haloti Ngata has continued to make things difficult for opposing running backs but wasn't as much of a force against the pass the past season as he has been previously. Daryl Smith excelled on pass plays, regardless of whether he was blitzing or dropping into coverage. Losing Arthur Jones, James Ihedigbo and Corey Graham should hurt unless a number of replacements can step up.
14. Indianapolis Colts
The Colts' ranking is helped out a lot by having Robert Mathis at outside linebacker. At the age of 33, his decline is inevitable. Still, that time has yet to come -- though he will miss the first four games of the season due to suspension.
Former Ravens Cory Redding and Arthur Jones are strong presences inside. Jones has made a run stop on one out of every 10 plays, the fourth best mark for 3-4 defensive ends. The star of their secondary is Vontae Davis, who has only allowed half the passes thrown his way to be caught. Bjoern Werner is the only defensive player on the team to be drafted by the Colts in the first four rounds of the draft, and he didn't have a promising rookie year. Altogether, there is currently very little young talent to build around.
15. New York Jets
The Jets make it this high based completely on the strength of their defensive line. While plenty has been said about Muhammad Wilkerson and Sheldon Richardson, and they deserve their due, Damon Harrison had a monstrous season last year on the nose without earning much fanfare. His 36 stops tied for the most among all defensive tackles. In terms of backups, Kenrick Ellis had a run stop on 15 percent of his run snaps, which was the best for all defensive or nose tackles.
The rest of the defense features a significant number of question marks and a hefty dose of questionable talent. Still, it's hard to picture an offensive line that would have much success against this defensive front.
Who is "Darrelle Revis"? He sounds like a money grubbing whore who used to be the best corner in the league, but I'm not sure how that's Jets related...Divisional rival brah
Divisional rival brah
Impacts our playoff race
Hahahah I glommed this from another site. This is probably the single worst list I have seen so far in the preseason:
List of the top defenses, from ESPN Insider, by some idiot from PFF
The Dolphins and the Colts have no business being on this list.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/how-nfl-players-look-for-true-love-1407963624
http://online.wsj.com/articles/how-nfl-players-look-for-true-love-1407963624
Scroll up, bitch.
Scroll up, bitch.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/how-nfl-players-look-for-true-love-1407963624
I'm sure the allure of New York to his country singer wife had nothing to do with it...Well I mean new York probably isn't the first thing to come to mind when I think of country music
Well I mean new York probably isn't the first thing to come to mind when I think of country music
They live in New Jersey now anyway.Does she own a sanitation company?
Does she own a sanitation company?
Well I mean new York probably isn't the first thing to come to mind when I think of country music
Git me them Titans on the phone, hon.Maybe we could trade him for Chris Johnson
http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/videos/No-Huddle-Willie-Colon-Hits-the-Cafeteria/9071a8a8-f609-40b7-9a2b-393658fe06c2
Sanchez has been impressing quite a bit in PhillyHe also had a classic Sanchez interception for a near pick 6. Threw it directly to the DB after staring down his receiver
I think it would be a safe assumption his career is going to have a resurgence
Dennis Waszak Jr.
Mangold says the guys refer to Colon and Giacomini as "The Bash Brothers."
I think of them more like this:
(http://www.fatguygolf.net/resources/Slap+Shot+hansonbros.jpg)
Quinton Coples knows exactly what this season means for him and his career.
“I know this is a big year for me,’’ the Jets third-year linebacker said Monday. “I came in as a defensive end and last year I got moved to rush linebacker and with that year of experience under my belt … I’m excited about stepping up and being a leader on this team and being more productive than I have been in the past two years.”
In those two seasons, Coples has produced only 10 sacks and left some observers questioning the drive of his play-to-play motor — a reputation that followed him from college.
In only his third season, Coples’ career is at an early crossroads: production not commensurate with being the 16th overall player picked in the 2012 draft.
But steps that Coples took this offseason suggest he very well might be a different player in 2014.
He lost 20 pounds and he worked privately with former NFL defensive lineman and college and NFL assistant coach Chuck Smith on pass-rush technique in an effort to turn some of his team-leading 50 quarterback hurries into sacks.
Coples reached out to Smith, who played nine years in the NFL and had 58.5 sacks, and worked with him for more than a month.
Aware Coples had faced much criticism for the modest production in his first two seasons, Smith worked with him on his attitude and drive as well as technique in getting off the ball with more explosiveness through digging in his pressure and plant foot.
“The thing we first had to talk to Quinton about is you’ve got to change the way you look at yourself. ‘Don’t let what people say about you define you,’ ’’ Smith told The Post on Monday night. “Quinton has the capability to be 10-sack guy.
This guy has a chance to be dominant. He’s only scratched the surface of what he can be. He’s explosive, he’s powerful, he can line up anywhere on the D-line.
“I expect him to dominate this year — to bludgeon people. He’s got to play like a wild dog now.’’
Coples also has two outside motivating forces that figure to stoke a flame underneath him: This is essentially a contract year for him, with the Jets needing to make a major financial decision in the spring on whether to sign him to a fifth-year option, and the presence of Jason Babin, the veteran who was signed recently to help reinforce the pass-rush linebacker position Coples plays.
In Saturday’s preseason game at Cincinnati, Babin played 31 snaps to 15 for Coples. This, of course, raised eyebrows and speculation about whether Coples’ playing time is in jeopardy.
The convenient company line from Rex Ryan on Monday was Babin got more reps with the first team to help him become more familiar with the defense. Completely understandable. But so, too, is this: You can count on Ryan playing the more productive player.
Babin, in his 11th season, had 7.5 sacks and three forced fumbles for the Jaguars last season — numbers similar to what Coples has done, total, in his two seasons.
Coples, a player with an affable personality that belies the stereotype of the angry footballer, insisted he is not rattled by the presence of Babin or the fact he knows his critics are ready to pounce on him if he does not pounce on more quarterbacks.
Coples said all the work he did in the offseason, trimming down to 265 pounds and honing his pass-rush technique, has been designed to turn some of those quarterback hurries into game-changing plays like sacks.
“I was there, but I wasn’t there,’’ he said. “That’s the reason I lost the weight and worked on my game — to turn those hurries into sacks, to cut that millisecond down from a hurry to a sack.’’
If Coples executes his plan and that production comes to fruition, then the Jets picking up that fifth-year option on him the way they did with defensive lineman Muhammad Wilkerson last spring [locking him in at $6.9 million for 2015] will be a no-brainer like it was with Wilkerson.
If Coples does not improve, then the $7 million-plus it’ll take to lock him up in that fifth-year option in 2016 will become no option at all and Coples likely will fade away and become another on a lengthy list of high draft picks that didn’t work out.
I think Coples still gets the 5th year option even if he's only Mediocre the next 2 seasons
Exception being if Rex is fired then anything is fair game depending on the new defense and if Coples fits
Hahahahah it's on:Who's Mr. Williams
Damon Harrison @BigDame900 7m
�������� See you Friday Mr. Williams…#JetLifeeeeee
Andre Williams, the rookie running back at the Giants. Was running his mouth yesterday about the Giants being the proper New York team or some such excrement.
Edit: here. (http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/giants-rookie-fires-early-shots-in-cross-town-rivalry/)
"You have the running back from Boston College, I see where he's already saying the Giants are the best team in New York and all that kind of stuff. The last time I saw him, he was getting smoked by Clemson."
I don't see the problem with that...
It's one thing players smacktalking between each other, but coaches shouldn't be getting drawn into it - especially before a game.
That was hardly smack talk, he even gave the kid props. I don't want a scared coach.
I don't think not rising to some rookie running his mouth is a sign of being scared, it's a sign of being professional.
Yeah Snacks said all that needs to be said. Rex should have shut his yapper there.
"The last time I saw that one kid from BC play, I decided it'd be a good idea to waste a draft pick on Clemson's QB because my son said he was nice"
I don't think not rising to some rookie running his mouth is a sign of being scared, it's a sign of being professional.Well judging by teams who have had moderate success (patriots, Steelers)
I still fail to see why anybody thought drafting Boyd was a good plan. It's not like his play this preseason was anything but easy to predict.A team that's struggled to get a QB took a flier on a late round QB in a draft where we had an absurd amount of draft picks.
A team that's struggled to get a QB took a flier on a late round QB in a draft where we had an absurd amount of draft picks.
I see no harm in the pick honestly
I don't mind taking a flyer on a QB late, especially with 12 picks at our disposal. But it was pretty obvious to me Boyd was a level behind guys like Mettenberger and McCarron who went a round earlier.Isn't that how the draft works?
Isn't that how the draft works?
Better players usually get drafted before worser ones?
Report: Some Jets coaches disappointed Vick wasn't more "hell-bent" on winning the starting job http://t.co/QfTFHd8nmX
Yeah, but some actual competition wouldn't hurt. Isn't that Idzik's whole mantra?
Yeah, but some actual competition wouldn't hurt. Isn't that Idzik's whole mantra?
Report: Some Jets coaches disappointed Vick wasn't more "hell-bent" on winning the starting job http://t.co/QfTFHd8nmX
The same story could probably have the headline "Vick embraces role as mentor to Geno Smith"... But thats just not how the media works.
I think that's the problem. Vick (along with the media and general fanbase) perceived no competition. I think competition was intended by, at the very least, Rex, Marty, and Idzik.
I don't think Rex believes he was being coy saying he hasn't chosen a starter all this time. I think the plan was to sincerely have Vick push for the job and make it a legitimate competition. Vick just never pursued it, likely figuring that the hope from those guys was that Geno would beat him fair-and-square, and choosing to not risk anything by fighting for the job.
The same story could probably have the headline "Vick embraces role as mentor to Geno Smith"... But thats just not how the media works.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/22/vick-was-told-from-the-get-go-he-wouldnt-be-the-starter/I wouldn't be surprised if they planned on throwing Geno under the bus after the rough start of the season, although I'd imagine that if that was the plan, they'd have given him more snaps with the starters
I actually expected Vick to become the starting QB after we signed him. I figured they would have a competition during training camp and maybe into the preseason, then put Vick out there week 1. Maybe Geno is progressing nicely... I'm not there to have any real insight.
It is a little strange to me how Vick and the whole organization have handled the situation. It seems weird to downplay competition. I guess it's an attempt to avoid any kind of circus atmosphere? I don't really understanding what's going on. Where is the benefit for Vick to keep saying it isn't a real competition and Geno is the starter? It feels like there are competing agendas but I can't wrap my head around it. Ah well... hopefully Geno makes big strides this year and it's all a moot point.
It's not that complicated. The organization wants everyone including Smith to believe it is/was a real competition. Vick wasn't towing the company line and just was telling the truth the whole time.
But how does he know it wasn't a real competition, and how does it serve him to go against what he thinks 'his' team wants (maybe to protect his ego so he didn't actually 'lose' a real competition)? And why would the Jet's tell him it's not a real competition if their goal is for everyone to think it is a real competition? And why not just have it be a real competition in the first place??
Maybe it's simple for you, but I sure as hell don't get it.
They wear white jerseys on the road.
If the Jets wear all white can they force the Raiders to wear black?Racist....
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10419035_838888779464306_4373251350602540367_n.jpg?oh=872cdc99262302dec500cc24bedc0dc4&oe=547FA245&__gda__=1416490237_e64545ff9000c102dbc745bfd8ba129b)is that Giocamini?
is that Giocamini?Looks like a fat Tommy with 3 black caterpillars on his face.
Looks like a fat Tommy with 3 black caterpillars on his face.
is that Giocamini?
If the Jets wear all white can they force the Raiders to wear black?
Well, it's here.
http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2014-new-york-jets-1627942862
Stephen Hill couldn't catch gonorrhea in a sanitarium full of infected nymphomaniacs.
The New York Daily News believes the Jets could have interest in trading for Texans CB Johnathan Joseph.
The Jets are desperate for corner depth with Dee Milliner (ankle) sidelined, leaving Darrin Walls and Antonio Allen to start in base sets. Joseph missed the entire preseason recovering from toe surgery, but is expected to be ready for Week 1. His $11.25 million cap number makes any trade unlikely.
$11 million? Pah. Chump change for us.
Manish Mehta
@MMehtaNYDN
Expect Jets to scour wire & explore/inquire about possible trades for CBs. Intriguing name to keep an eye on: Texans' Johnathan Joseph #nyj
Manish Mehta
From Texans beat reporter RT @taniaganguli If Jets are interested in Joseph, I'd be very surprised if #Texans had interest in trading him
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http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-5/J-E-T-S-Chant-Leaders-Have-Been-Chosen/99067a96-8fed-4615-a3ff-9a33635e52f0
Some (all) of these are pretty terrible... I know a lot of people didnt like "Fireman Ed", but I liked what he added to the game, and the environment hasnt been the same since. I went to a Seahawks preseason game at the Link and they had more fans and were twice as loud in a 4th quarter of a preseason game than opening day at MetLife last year. The environment at the game does have to change, but putting these scrubs up on the jumbotron is not the way to do it.
If you have to have a vote for it, are you really a leader?I believe it's called democracy
Bingo. We don't need a leader, we just need everyone to step their noise game up.All they need is to cut the price of beer
All they need is to cut the price of beer
And the noise will follow
Seth WalderThe dynasty continues....
QB Matt Simms cleared waivers, I'm told. #nyj
1:15PM EDT
But were clearly developing talent for the DL better than anywhere else on this team. And I dont think anyone would disagree that the depth through and through is better on the DL than anywhere else on the team by far)
Jets claimed CB Leon McFadden off waivers from the Browns.
It's almost like drafting a defensive lineman in the first round three straight seasons has actually improved the defensive line.
So will there be 2 QBs on the PS or is Boyd going bye bye
So will there be 2 QBs on the PS or is Boyd going bye bye
hes an Idzik draft pick and rex's favorite, if Boyd isn't on the PS i'll be shocked.I'll take the other side and say no. He was putrid. I just don't know I'd they think he has any hope of developing. What upside does he have over Simms? They are both young.
Im sure that will depend on who/what else we can find available
but I cant imagine us keeping 2 QBs on the PS honestly, although Idzik seems reluctant to give up on draft picks. But if Boyd was truly "Rex's" pick, then I could see him dumping him
Jets claimed CB Leon McFadden off waivers from the Browns.
Don't forget 2 extra slots on the PS this year.
This can't be the only guy we claimed.
This can't be the only guy we claimed.Might be. I'm willing to bet we keep at least 7 of the guys we cut yesterday.
Might be. I'm willing to bet we keep at least 7 of the guys we cut yesterday.
Keep at least 7 that we cut ?Yep. Simms, Finau, Richardson or Green, Hyder, Miles, Troy Davis, Pantale, Campbell, Dixon are all possibilities to come back. Maybe even Qvale.
Yep. Simms, Finau, Richardson or Green, Hyder, Miles, Troy Davis, Pantale, Campbell, Dixon are all possibilities to come back. Maybe even Qvale.
The one advantage they all have is having gone through our training camp and the playbook.
Might be. I'm willing to bet we keep at least 7 of the guys we cut yesterday.
Apparently Stephen Hill can be signed to a practice squad. We should sign him back to be assholes.
#1 BrandonDixon
@BDixs1
Tampa bay bucs! here I come
Guess he wont be on our PS
Out of all the guys id be worried about losing, he certainly wasnt one of them.
Dunbar breaks down some of Cople's technique and what not
http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/videos/Film-Review-%C2%A0Quinton-Coples/a820fe4b-49c6-46a3-b807-0f5042179910
A chunk of fluff and filler, but some good stuff in there as well
According to Cimini, McFadden was the most penalized DB in the preseason. So there's thatWell he played a ton of snaps more than most corners, and refs are calling these penalties (hopefully) at a greater frequency since it's preseason and it's a new rule change.
Manish Mehta
Jets released LB Jeremiah George to make room for WR Walt Powell. Idzik has cut 4 of his 10 healthy draft picks. Other two are on IR #nyj
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Practice Squad?
Probably
Idzik is leaving those extra slots open for a reason
Practice Squad?
Seem a little light at LB/special teams though.
Id bet we cut one of these corners soon and bring back Edds or Troy Davis
It's only moderately related to the Jets at this point, but apparently, Stephen Hill is accusing the NY media of making the story of his drops overblown to get him out of town.
As much as I don't like to defend the media...Stephen, you may want to take a look at some film. There is only one person to blame for your exit.
Speaking Thursday, Cowboys DC Rod Marinelli offered a tepid endorsement of RCB Morris Claiborne.
"Well, he’s there," Marinelli said. "He’s our starting corner. That’s the confidence. He’s gotta go do it." It's clear Claiborne is on a short leash, and could be sent back to the bench upon slot CB Orlando Scandrick's (suspension) return. Claiborne is in danger of becoming one of the biggest draft busts in recent memory.
What are we going to do with him that they haven't?
I see no reason to trade assets for Claiborne. If he can't be useful in Dallas, why would he suddenly be good enough here to be worth a draft pick and 2.6 million dollars?Dallas has other options, our secondary not so much
If he gets cut I can see it, or if they want a used tampon (a conditional 7th rounder in 2018) for him fine, but lets be real here.
Dallas has other options, our secondary not so much
And we wouldn't be giving up the house for him. I'd imagine if they give up on him at this point, his value could very well be down to a 4th or 5th.
I think anyone here wouldn't mind a flier on him for that. Especially with our number two corner spot wide open
I think you'd be wrong there. Claiborne has basically been slightly less useless than Stephen Hill was for us. We couldn't trade Hill for anything (he couldn't even get on somebody's 53). Claiborne isn't worth giving up assets for unless his play picks up considerably, and if his play picks up Dallas won't give him up.Dallas had one of the worst run defenses in the league, allowing the 3rd most ypc
Could we do it? Possibly, we are going to be extremely desperate if Milliner isn't very good when he gets back, or if we suffer another injury out there. But I wouldn't count on it.
Dallas had one of the worst run defenses in the league, allowing the 3rd most ypc
And having a weak run defense opens up the passing game, making being a corner a freak ton harder
No disagreement, but based on what he has accomplished regardless of circumstances, I don't think people here would be on board with trading a 4th or 5th for him.
Dallas is poised to have a historically bad defense. If Claiborne can't help them I'm not sure he will be of much benefit here, especially at the expense of a draft pick.
Hes played two sesasons.
Milliner wasnt exactly impressive as a rookie (partly because of injuries). This seasons yet to happen, but the injuries are there.
Claireborne has had issues with injuries as well, and has played on one of the worst defenses in the league (with two different DCs)
Lets also consider what recent 4th/5th round picks have gotten us
Saunders
Evans
Dozier
George
Aboushi
Ivory (almost wrote Lynch)
Tebow
Kerley
I appreciate and understand the value of draft picks. But youre on crack if you wouldnt rather have Claireborn than at least half the guys on that list
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/050/218/0f8178dfea896569461b4fec2777481d_crop_north.jpg?w=759&h=506&q=75)
The Jets are the only NFL team without a majority of a single county's fan base...
That can't be right. How is Long Island not majority jets fans?
anyone upset about this? it actually kinda made me happy.
Same here, who really gives a freak about this?
Same here, who really gives a freak about this?
It's bleacher report
Silicon Valley is filled with Niner fans? Say it ain't so!!
Thaaaat's stupid. Measuring fandom by people clicking the like button on Facebook? Stupid.I measure how popular a person is by how many friends they have on Facebook tho
Thaaaat's stupid. Measuring fandom by people clicking the like button on Facebook? Stupid.
Thaaaat's stupid. Measuring fandom by people clicking the like button on Facebook? Stupid.
To be fair, it's probably the most reliable method. How else? Surveys?
Sports polling is highly unscientific, is there a better way to do this? Add a question on the census?Well if I was trying to do a study on football (a sport for mostly grown men) Facebook isntagram and twitter wouldn't be my top choices.
Well if I was trying to do a study on football (a sport for mostly grown men) Facebook isntagram and twitter wouldn't be my top choices.
If you wanted stats on maybe Justin beiber fans, that would be much better options options
Are you sure you're not 80 years old?Not positive.
I'm just saying, you talk about Facebook the way old people talked about computers in the '90s.
I'm just saying, you talk about Facebook the way old people talked about computers in the '90s.I'm saying think of the average nfl fan
I'm saying think of the average nfl fan
(judging from commercials targeted during nfl games you'd imagine it's a fat guy in his 40s that eats a lot of Papa Johns)
I don't think that social media exactly comes to mind when thinking of those demographics.
Of course I'm still surprised anytime I see someone over 40 who knows how to use a smartphone
It is probably light on the 50+ demo but it absolutely encapsulates the much more important 18-49 demo.
But given that the Giants fanbase skews older than ours, getting the old votes probably wouldn't have made the map look any different.
I suspect that socioeconomics are a factor; the Giants fanbase is, I think, probably more skewed towards ABC1 (at least that's what common wisdom would have us believe) and therefore one would expect a proportionately greater online presence for them than the Jets.Or maybe Giants fans are just lazy jerkoffs who are unemployed or dicking around at work not doing their jobs, and have time to do faggoty derriere Facebook surveys
@DWAZ73: Browns released CB Aaron Berry. #Jets were high on him before he injured knee last summer in training camp.I'd gladly take him over that other bum corner we signed (not McFadden the other one)
The New York Jets worked out several free agents Tuesday, including two veteran guards -- Doug Legursky (most recently of the Buffalo Bills) and Jeff Baca (Minnesota Vikings).
Legursky, a five-year vet, started 11 games last season for the Bills. Baca was a sixth-round pick of the Vikings in 2013.
The Jets are solid at guard with starters Willie Colon and Brian Winters. The backups are Oday Aboushi and rookie Dakota Dozier, neither of whom has played in an NFL game. Chances are, the Jets are formulating a short list of options in the event of an injury.
They also auditioned punters and a long snapper, none of whom have regular-season experience.
Our biggest weakness is Colon's attraction to freaking penalties
This would make an great poster.
George Panos @George_Panos 5m
nyjetsfansonly's photo http://i.instagram.com/p/s1BpkmSxnR/ #NYJ
Poor timing, being 911 and all. At first I thought that was supposed to be ground zero.
https://twitter.com/CRO31/status/510826134540681216
Jetsbros 4 lyfe
Shows a reminder of the business side of things. Cro clearly enjoyed his time here and the guys on the roster. He is one of those guys from a person (not a play) standpoint you would have like him to get the chance to retire here.Well he is a free agent after this season
Since he reached out to walls, nice to know he has faith in our guys.
Angerer and Bishop were both tackling machines for a while
Which is why it's weird we hosted those guys as opposed to guys with a serious ST rep. It's not like we'd sign either guy to take Harris or Davis places on the field. I do Locke we are looking at WRs given there's a chance Decker will be out awhile, but those guys may not even be as good as Salad.Well if it wasn't for his bundle of sticks agent we'd almost certainly be signing Hill off the Panthers practice squad
Well if it wasn't for his bundle of sticks agent we'd almost certainly be signing Hill off the Panthers practice squad
Possibly. But I'm pretty sure Hill burned the bridge as well. There is a reason a guy with 40 career catches and his size/speed/age combo isn't on a roster somewhere, and it basically has to be his attitude.
I think some of us have this fear that Hill will somehow resurrect his career and finally achieve his full potential.Lol no
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz Decker and Milliner both in trainers area as practice starts #nyj
3:01 PM - 17 Sep 2014
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz Cumberland, Bellore and Edds also in trainers area #nyj
3:02 PM - 17 Sep 2014
And the Ravens are the 7th most likable team in the NFL (player likability) despite a wife beater as the public face.
@RichCimini: Dude, that game is only eight days away, so there's no chance Dee Milliner will be healthy. Come to think of it, he might be in worse shape, considering the news that broke Friday out of Jets camp. He has developed tightness in his quadriceps, forcing him to miss Friday's practice. So now he has a tight quad and a bum ankle. Based on his early track record, and his career at Alabama, Milliner could be one those guys who's always nicked up.
So by that graphic, Dallas' punter is best in the league (not accounting for downing punts in the 20)
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 16m
Second time the Jets have released Ellis Lankster, who played 17 snaps on special teams last night. #nyj
Lankster is our new Patrick Turner.
Any chance we actually signed somebody to go with this corresponding drop transaction?Hopefully a hit man to murder the referees
The Cowboys have replaced Morris Claiborne with Orlando Scandrick as the starting corner opposite Brandon Carr.
After learning of his demotion, Claiborne "stormed out of the facility" and skipped the Cowboys' walkthrough practice on Tuesday. The former No. 6 overall pick has nobody to blame but himself. He's flat-out terrible, and has been his entire three-year career. Jerry Jones even said Claiborne hasn't been worth the draft investment. Claiborne's demotion is disappointing for fantasy owners. He was an easy target for any receiver lining up opposite him.
Related: Orlando S
Well I think as the trade deadline nears we might see some legit rumors for the Jets to offer something for him
Though I cant imagine it being particularly promising trading for one of the worst corners in the league. Although hed certainly be a good fit for our secondary
Rich Cimini
Should Jets try to trade for him? RT “@JohnBanks3: Sources: Claiborne hears lineup news, bolts http://t.co/cni9lICZOk via @ESPNDallas
9:19PM EDT
I don't hate the idea of Claiborne, but he has been insanely terrible. If he wasn't a top 10 pick, he probably would have been canned by Dallas and probably be as out of the league as Gholston.
If anybody could fix him it is Rex. That said if we traded for him, I'd want it to be something highly insignificant like a 6th round pick. Then it would require him actually being committed to the team, and not storming off the facility if he gets demoted because he sucks balls.
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@Thromedamnball @wonlov10 @7BOOMERESIASON @WFAN660 if I worried about that trash of a QB my life would be over!! Some people just need ratings
2:04 PM - 23 Sep 2014
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@Thromedamnball @wonlov10 @7BOOMERESIASON @WFAN660 I've never played with him been around him let alone would ever speak to him he's gum under my shoe
2:06 PM - 23 Sep 2014
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@Thromedamnball @cburzawa_sports it's all good I had a great time in NY.. love the real jet fans
9:13 PM - 23 Sep 2014
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@Thromedamnball @nassaumoliseum fo sho.. what's said is said all I ask is to keep my name out of his mouth.. im moving on from it
10:08 PM - 23 Sep 2014
So Boomer got excrement on for being right? LOL
STFU Key
I love his Twitter handle, "thromedamnball".
I'm pretty sure I still have that book somewhere 15+ years later.
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@AdamSchefter Free agent CB Champ Bailey, who feels healthy, said he is willing to play nickel or safety if that's what it takes to land a job somewhere.
4:34 PM - 24 Sep 2014
So Boomer got excrement on for being right? LOL
STFU Key
Chris Johnson wants more carries.
CJ?K is out-carrying Chris Ivory, 35-33, but that's apparently not enough. However, Johnson is blaming "game situations," and not OC Marty Mornhinweg. He also says both backs would like more carries. "I know we both envisioned probably getting more carries, not just us both getting 10, 12 apiece." Coach Rex Ryan agrees that Ivory deserves more work, but has said no such thing about Johnson. Averaging 3.5 yards per carry, we hope CJ isn't holding his breath.
Beginning of an issue.
"I know we both envisioned probably getting more carries, not just us both getting 10, 12 apiece."
I'm afraid I agree. Right now if the media portrays it as Johnsonbeing an poopchute demanding carries, it's a media figment. But if we keep losing and Johnson's workload decreases as Ivory gets more touches, it will become one. Johnson clearly has an ego and believes he is the best despite not producing like anything more than an average back.Somewhere Cimini is evil laughing.
They need to get Johnson into space. Running him in-between the tackles obviously isn't working.
Free agent WR T.J. Graham worked out for the Jets.
Graham was waived by the Titans last week. He's looking to sign with a team as a deep reserve and situational deep threat. A 2012 third-round pick of the Bills, Graham has just a 54/683/3 line through three seasons.
I'd rather have Graham than Salas
Since Rex took over the team, the most penalties the team has had in a season was 108 (2013) and the fewest was 83 (2012). So far we're on course for 128 this season, a number that would have seen us in the top 5 most penalised every year.Im not excusing it, but I would think anytime with a inexperienced/shitty QB is going to have significantly more penalties than a team with an established offense.
Since Rex took over the team, the most penalties the team has had in a season was 108 (2013) and the fewest was 83 (2012). So far we're on course for 128 this season, a number that would have seen us in the top 5 most penalised every year.
Free agent WR Chris Owusu worked out for the Jets.
Owusu was waived by the Bucs this week. The Jets also worked out free agent WR T.J. Graham on Friday.
Maybe it's because the Jets have 2 NFL-caliber wide receivers on the entire roster. And 1 is hurt.
I would say David Nelosn is a capable #4 guy. But the fact he is our only option as a #2 WR with Kerley primarily in the slot, is just a disaster.I'm sick of this "capable #4 guy" nonsense for David Nelson. There are hundreds of "capable #4 guys" on NFL teams and on the waiver wire. Greg Salas is a "capable #4 guy." Chris Owusu could probably be a "capable #4 guy." All that means is the guy is decent enough to be roster filler.
Out of guys that have played at least 140 snaps, no one has been targeted on fewer routes than David Nelson. The fact that he still has to play that many snaps is a failure by Idzik to improve the position IMO. He should have been competing for a bottom of the roster spot, not a #2 WR spot.
I agree with this. Idzik got us out of cap hell which sets us up nicely for the future, but he's done very little to improve the receiving corps, which was a huge weakness even before he got here.
Eric Decker is a solid, consistent player but he's a #2 WR. This team still lacks a true threat outside.
At this point my preference for our first round pick is on a WR and there are expected to be some damn good ones this class. This of course assumes we don't go something like 4-12 and are drafting high enough to select our future franchise QB.
Sure we could also look at the CB position, but that position I'd look at FA for right now. We really need some young stellar playmakers and right now our best offensive player we have drafted Since Mangold in 2006 is Jeremy freaking Kerley. That excrement has to improve and in a big freaking way immediately.
Don't get me wrong Kerley was a home run of a 5th round pick, but we need some serious high end talent on offense in a big way.
I agree with this. Idzik got us out of cap hell which sets us up nicely for the future, but he's done very little to improve the receiving corps, which was a huge weakness even before he got here.
Eric Decker is a solid, consistent player but he's a #2 WR. This team still lacks a true threat outside.
I still think passing over Cooks for Pryor was a huge mistake.In the end it depends on who becomes the better player, but can you imagine our secondary right now without Pryor? Allen would be at safety and we'd be starting Walls and who (Phillip Adams?) opposite him right now?
In the end it depends on who becomes the better player, but can you imagine our secondary right now without Pryor? Allen would be at safety and we'd be starting Walls and who (Phillip Adams?) opposite him right now?
Definitely some big play wideouts that could potentially be in the 2015 draft. Just go get Greenberry, Green-Beckham, or Greene. One of the Greens.
I know it's defense again, but I'm seeing corner as a huge need even when Milliner gets back. Hopefully we're able to sign an upper-tier FA CB.
I still think passing over Cooks for Pryor was a huge mistake.
I just wonder how effective Cooks would be with Geno Smith overthrowing him on bubble screens...
At least we'd have a HR hitter for Geno to throw to.
But i also get what you're saying.
Also is anybody else hoping Dakota Dozier and Oday Aboushi starts getting some serious looks to play at one of the OG spots? Winters is still a turnstile and Colon is going to end up one of the 3 most penalized players in football again this year.
Winters needs to keep playing - he's going to have lumps. He's been a force at times in the run game. Colon is the guy that needs to get put on the bench.
I don't think we'll see Bulldozier unless there are injuries.
Winters needs to keep playing - he's going to have lumps. He's been a force at times in the run game. Colon is the guy that needs to get put on the bench.
I don't think we'll see Bulldozier unless there are injuries.
failure by Idzik
done very little to improve the receiving corps
The only move I was really disappointed about was not signing Verner.
He was probably the only reasonably priced corner that would have been a starter for us for the next few years or so.
freak DRC
Verner looks like excrement this year and he is in a system that he is perfect for.
Yeah, I didn't want to see us invest a lot of money in a corner that has only shown the ability to play zone.
Dennis Waszak Jr. @DWAZ73 1m
Ex-Jet RT @RustyMillerAP: Kid just ran on field, got absolutely destroyed by #OhioState staffer Anthony Schlegel, former LB for #Buckeyes
At this point my preference for our first round pick is on a WR and there are expected to be some damn good ones this class. This of course assumes we don't go something like 4-12 and are drafting high enough to select our future franchise QB.
Sure we could also look at the CB position, but that position I'd look at FA for right now. We really need some young stellar playmakers and right now our best offensive player we have drafted Since Mangold in 2006 is Jeremy freaking Kerley. That excrement has to improve and in a big freaking way immediately.
Don't get me wrong Kerley was a home run of a 5th round pick, but we need some serious high end talent on offense in a big way.
I feel like this has been said every year since 2011... And every year WR is still left untouched through the draft (and selecting some late round fliers dont really count).
Unless someone like Dez or Cobb hit the open market, WR should once again be the priority.
Also, I dont think Idzik did a terrible job with CB. If Milliner and McDougle were healthy, it would look a lot different. I still think AA can play anywhere in the secondary successfully, although safety is probably his best position. If Milliner can get and stay on the field, the secondary isnt as bad as the WR group.
Heretics. Idzik is god and above criticism, remember?
Jets clearly arent happy with wr depth/health atm
Not being happy with WR health makes Owusu a funny choice. He's a very underrated receiver...because he's consistently a concussion threat.
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Boar Hunter!
Even if he's only healthy for a few games, he'd still give us some good depth. I'll take a good WR for a few games over a shitty one for all games.
Owusu was always all potential because of the head injuries.
I wouldn't call him a good WR. He hasn't done anything on the field. It's not like taking a chance on Austin Collie. Owusu was always all potential because of the head injuries.
Ah, don't know anything about him, but when I saw "very underrated" I thought you were implying that he's actually good.
He's crazy fast and caught a shitload of passes from Andrew Luck in college.
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Boar Hunter!
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 33s
Antonio Allen just hobbled out of the locker room. In a lot of pain. Left ankle or leg issue #nyj
When the hell did that happen?
Kicked the locker when he heard that Rex was being forced to stick with Geno.
I'm sure you are kidding, but I still laughed.
So we will be bringing in a corner this week I'd assume? If Allen is hobbled and best case Milliner plays at less than 100% we have to be bringing somebody in...
What was the deal with Conner anyway?
Geno never looks to his fullbacks in the passing game anyway. Conner has had some extra experience now, maybe he is better.
Full back who can't catch.
What was the deal with Conner anyway?
He sucks balls.
The likes of Jason Babin, Calvin Pace, and Quinton Coples have combined with star interior lineman Muhammad Wilkerson to take down opposing quarterbacks on 8.4 percent of their drop-backs, the highest rate in football.
It hasn’t been a string of easy-to-sack quarterbacks, either. Jay Cutler has a sticky reputation from his days behind dismal offensive lines in Chicago, but Aaron Rodgers is one of the most elusive passers in the game, and Matthew Stafford is routinely one of the least frequently sacked quarterbacks. The Jets have had no problems taking them all down, even if the rest of the league has. In comparison to that 8.8 percent sack rate for the Jets, other opposing pass rushes have taken down the quarterbacks of the offenses the Jets have played (Oakland, Chicago, Green Bay, and Detroit) just 4.1 percent of the time.2
Ryan also hasn’t benefited from a significant amount of luck on pass pressures, either. I tend to take notice when a team produces six or more quarterback hits in a game. Even if those hits don’t result in sacks, they’re still a healthy sign you’re getting to the quarterback and influencing the game with your rush. The Jets have been above that figure three weeks in a row, including a massive 12-hit performance on Rodgers in Week 2. Wilkerson, who will be in the running for defensive player of the year with this form, has three hits on his own in each of the last two games. As fans grumble about the dismal Jets offense and their lack of spending at cornerback, it’s hard to argue with what the pass rush has done to affect opposing offenses.
It's obviously a stat for the whole D. I don't know why they chose the names they did.
Davis, Richardson and Landry each have more sacks than the rest besides Wilk.
They called it a sack rate in the second paragraph. It also changes from 8.4 to 8.8 for some reason.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-legend-joe-namath-calls-play-oxygen-therapy-article-1.1958857
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-legend-joe-namath-calls-play-oxygen-therapy-article-1.1958857
Dr. Lee Fox looks way more excited to be there.
Joe just asked to kiss him.
They were wise to crop out the erection.
Demario Davis - "I don't see a lot of guys putting a lot of effort into film study."
link (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/44141/demario-davis-were-not-practicing-like-a-championship-team?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
light the match, Woody.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 2m2 minutes ago
For those asking, GM John Idzik not expected to speak with reporters until the bye week. #nyj
DIAF
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 2m2 minutes ago
For those asking, GM John Idzik not expected to speak with reporters until the bye week. #nyj
DIAF
It's highly likely that we'll be 1-6 with a 6 game losing streak heading into the bye week.
That will be an interesting press conference.
His derriere should be front and center, in front of a podium, this week.
How can you not look at the GM's derriere when he's giving a press conference?!
What's he going to say?
"Yeah guys, I have a ton of cash, blew a dozen picks and got no offensive contribution, but it's not my fault!"
Though it doesn't change the fact that he's a coward.
Woody should ask for a refund from the company he hired for the GM search.
Stupid excrement that this thread is meant for:
http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/10/marcus-vick-blasts-jets
Stupid excrement that this thread is meant for:
http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/10/marcus-vick-blasts-jets
It was only a matter of time before that dickhead opened his trap.Sad part is he's right (about the weapons sucking)
Stupid excrement that this thread is meant for:
http://www.complex.com/sports/2014/10/marcus-vick-blasts-jets
What tweet doesn't sound like any poster in here? More to the point, what tweet isn't he right about?
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 2m2 minutes ago
For those asking, GM John Idzik not expected to speak with reporters until the bye week. #nyj
DIAF
Same excrement as last year. Idzik doesn't talk to the media except when he has no other choice. Preseason, draft time, bye weeks and postseason. He also might have been interviewed after the decker signing.Idzik talking to the media would put more of the pressure on him, but other than that, what would it really accomplish other than feeding the witch hunt.
It's probably wise, can't be say something stupid to get people talking if you never talk.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 14s14 seconds ago
Rich Gannon on CBS Sports Network talking Jets QBs: "It is a train wreck. It is a disaster right now in New York." #nyj
don't sugarcoat it, Rich.
He is correct.
Don't tell MexJetinBcn
He is correct.
I would need to get unbanned at TGG. I am going to call Semen, TGG's admin. BRB.
Our WRS used to be the Flight Crew.
Now our QBS are the Polar Express, you know, the alternate ending where the train crashes into an orphanage and a severely injured Tom Hanks is forced to eat child flesh and fashion their corpses into sleeping bags to survive till help comes
wat
Offer him fishing lures as a peace offering.
Gannon said it's a trainwreck, the concept is plain as day. Or is it the macabre nature of said joke that earned that response?
Our WRS used to be the Flight Crew.
No they didn't.
No they didn't.
Gannon said it's a trainwreck, the concept is plain as day. Or is it the macabre nature of said joke that earned that response?
What's going on here.
I love from the insanity I spewed that is the thing that stood out the most lol
I love from the insanity I spewed that is the thing that stood out the most lol
The Flight Crew are our cheerleading squad, it stood out because it made as little sense as the rest of your post.
NY Garbage Collectors
The Justin McCareins
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 3m3 minutes ago
Ex-Jets draft pick Will Campbell signs w/ Bills' PS. When he was Jets' OL coach, Marrone had success w/ DL-to-OL convert -- Brandon Moore.
I didn't know that Marrone used to coach at the Jets.
Really?
No, I just made it up. Yes, really. I've only considered myself a Jets fan for about ten years, and only really become a huge one since I moved over here.
10 years, well he was a Jets coach less than that.
Left in 2005. I apologise for not knowing that Doug Marrone was the OL coach for the first year since me deciding to follow the Jets. I will return my jerseys to Florham Park and go find a new team to follow.
I hear Green Bay is nice at this time of year.
That's all I wanted, I accept your apology.
LET'S GO PACK!!!!11ONE!
Yeah well who in the hell is their oline coach?
Doug Marrone?
FiveThirtyEight gives us a 4% chance to make the playoffs.And the 4th pick in the draft projected
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/nfl-week-6-elo-ratings-and-playoff-odds/
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4th pick would probably get us a good QB, although I don't believe that someone wouldn't trade with Jacksonville or Oakland to get Winston or Mariota - you have to think that St Louis would be taking a QB at 3.Good thing STL won't be picking then using those projections then (Skins would be #3).
Can't tell you how sick I am of hearing about what QB we might get if suck bad enough to draft real high. So we can have another rookie QB and an excuse to suck for another couple of years. Because that always works.What's the alternative?
NE is still one of the teams most likely to win the Super Bowl?Well when you're guaranteed to win your division I'd imagine that bodes well for your super bowl odds
NE is still one of the teams most likely to win the Super Bowl?
What's the alternative?
I think the lack of discipline has more to do with the youth of the roster and the lack of leadership. Who are the leaders on this team? Defensively, our vocal leader appears to be Demario Davis, who has used the media to try to kick his teammates in the derriere (which Rex quickly vetoed). Offensively, who is it? One of the linemen? Geno has been iffy.
Ryan backed him up saying players need to be more accountable. It's a big reason why the team is so undisciplined.
And this is why:
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 3m3 minutes ago
Rex said he gives his "two cents" occasionally to Marty, but "almost the entire time, I'm with the defense (in meetings)."
In a way this is comforting. Rex sitting in offensive meetings is basically worthless, we all know this, so why bother?
I'm not sure about that. I would think that a defensive guru would have some reasonable insight into the weaknesses of a particular defensive scheme or player, and how the offense can best attack it.
Rex "likes the honesty of Mike Vick."
I'm going to like the house cleaning that is coming.
Everyone is getting fired
bill polian 2015!!!
Why do we want Bill Polian? What did he ever do aside from have Peyton Manning as his QB when he got the Colts gig?
He also built the Bills non-dynasty.
The Bills win two of those SBs, they would share the spotlight with the 90s cowboys.
But they didn't so freak them.
However, Polian built teams that went to 6 SBs. So he's pretty good at building teams.
Badge, if that was directed at me - I'll take bill polian. I don't freaking care anymore.
Bill Polian is a couple of year or two tops, from getting his diapers cleaned at an Elderly care facility, double freak that and triple no freaking way. Who are the Jets going to hire to coach? freaking Marv Levy or Dick Lebeau?
Bill Polian is a couple of year or two tops, from getting his diapers cleaned at an Elderly care facility, double freak that and triple no freaking way. Who are the Jets going to hire to coach? freaking Marv Levy or Dick Lebeau?
How about Parcells?
He began a nice era of Jets football where they went to the playoffs every other year. Maybe he can do it again.
I'm in full hatred of how the management in the past 4 years has dismantled a strong team as if it was the plan all along.
The Jets have the worst QB in the league, and a queynte backup who doesn't take his job seriously.
I'll take Matt Simms for the remainder of the year.
I need a room that flushes my crap away.
I believe that indoor plumbing and flushing toilets have recently become available in Virginia, you should probably look into it. I realise that such technology might be scary to you simple country folk but it really is worth overcoming your fears.Kinda like dental care, huh?
If we hire Parcells, I quit.
I am not entirely disagreeing with blowing up management after the season. Here is what's scary about Idzik to me. He has what shaping up to be a not so great draft with all of "his" people, like the great Rod Graves, puke. Some of that is beyond his control, admittedly.
He canned a lot of scouts and such and they did pretty well last year in my opinion, the 2013 draft. That said, although I am not enamored with Idzik, I don't mind giving him one more draft. However, if he is excrement canned, no freaking way do I want a geriatric running the show. Also freak Parcells, he won't stay in one place long enough and the game has flew by him like an F-22 Raptor.
Rod Graves is bad.
okay how about a non-emotional choice? Eric DeCosta from BAL. He's been there forever. He's seen how to conduct truly great drafts. If the reports are true about Rex being able to keep his job, then he'd work well with him.
DeCosta is never going to leave. He was a popular suggestion around here but the Ravens seem intent on keeping him around and likely grooming him to take the reins someday.
Chris Johnson played 21 of the Jets' 63 offensive snaps in Week 6.
That's 33.3 percent. Slowly but surely, CJdoneK is being phased out of the Jets' offense. His carry totals with New York, in chronological order from Weeks 1-6, are 13, 12, 10, 6, 7, and 3. Johnson is Pro Football Focus' No. 52-graded runner out of 56 qualifiers. He finished last year 48th out of 55.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 26s26 seconds ago
Calvin Pace: NFL 'had it out' for Jets with brutal schedule #nyj: http://nyp.st/1w6Hrum via @nypost
great, now the Jets are making excuses. freak off, Pace.
“With that being said, nobody feels sorry for us. We’ve just got to go out and handle our business in a very hostile environment and find a way to get one.”
The ol' context thingy.
I don't think he meant that the NFL had it out as in conspired to make the Jets schedule difficult. He probably just misused those words.
Apparently Dimitri Patterson recently turned down an offer from the Seahawks. Weird dude.
He's actually still being paid by the Jets through some sort of payroll glitch.
On Sunday, after gaining seven yards on three carries in a 43-23 loss to the visiting Bills, Johnson didn't seem quite as happy to be a Jet. Asked for a comment about the Jets' quarterback situation, the running back was frank.
"I don't even be in the game, so I don't know," he told ESPN New York.
Asked if the Bills' defensive front kept the Jets from running more consistently, Johnson said, "I really didn't run the ball so I don't know."
Harvin and CJ2k will likely be the first players to go if Woody Johnson fires Ryan and Idzik
Harvin and CJ2k will likely be the first players to go if Woody Johnson fires Ryan and IdzikHe's a jackass if he doesn't....
not sure why so many NYJ fans expected Percy Harvin to make an immediate impact when he doesn't have chemistry with the QB/a strong grasp of the offense yet.
not sure why so many NYJ fans expected Percy Harvin to make an immediate impact when he doesn't have chemistry with the QB/a strong grasp of the offense yet.I was just hoping he'd open things up for the other guys by taking the heat off. Apparently the receivers need someone to throw them the ball.
Its amazing the turnaround in one day. Things went from hopeful to suicidal depression in one game.
Hell now were a really bad team, thats going to have a top 5 draft pick with 50 + million in cap space going into 2015
Its far too early to realistically talk about Idzik getting fired.
We all knew rebuilding was going to be a long term project.
Hell now were a really bad team, thats going to have a top 5 draft pick with 50 + million in cap space going into 2015
And we do have signifcant talent on parts of the roster
Hell now were a really bad team, thats going to have a top 5 draft pick with 50 + million in cap space going into 2015
New York Jets @nyjets 30m30 minutes ago
We have released LB A.J. Edds.
Watch out, Idzik getting ready to make a big move and.................probably move Simms to active roster.
New York Jets @nyjets · 18s18 seconds ago
We have signed CB Marcus Williams from the practice squad to the active roster-
BOOM!
New York Jets @nyjets · 18s18 seconds ago
We have signed CB Marcus Williams from the practice squad to the active roster-
He will probably be starting Sunday rofl.
Ihedigbo is one of my favorite jets of all time
I think we gave up on him a tad prematurely.
I miss Digs. I also really wish we didn't give up on Lowery.
By Joe Caporoso.
New York isn’t usually a market that has patience for sustained losing…or much of anything. Four straight non-playoff or non-winning seasons is usually more than enough to have everybody fed up with a constant variable in the equation of losing. In the case of the New York Jets, that hasn’t fully been the case. This article is a look at how the “Rex Ryan Jets” have reached a new low point in his 5.5 year tenure. The problems go beyond him but many of the most critical reasons the Jets have been a below average football team since a 2010 playoff win over New England are directly correlated to their coach.
Woody Johnson generally isn’t a popular owner among Jets fans and media members who cover the team. Owner is a tough thing to complain about because nobody is firing the owner, so spending too much time yelling about it seems senseless. To Johnson’s credit, he has hired three head coaches that brought the Jets to playoffs (Herman Edwards, Eric Mangini and Rex Ryan). He also hasn’t hesitated to spend money to improve the team throughout his tenure by regularly consenting to large contracts and upgrading the team’s practice facility. The Jets went in with the New York Giants for a new stadium and do offer non-PSL season tickets, something the Giants do not (as somebody who owns season tickets without a PSL this may matter more), if you did pay for a PSL this sentence probably falls on deaf ears.
However, there has been an odd ongoing hesitation to cleanly cut ties with problematic situations. This traces back to demoting previous General Manager Terry Bradway before the 2006 season but keeping him within the organization as a Senior Personnel Executive. How often do you see a NFL team fire their GM but keep him in the organization to scout? He is still with the team, despite them being on their second GM since he was demoted and self promoting himself with unprovable claims that make the organization look bad (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000092313/article/russell-wilson-coveted-by-one-new-york-jets-executive). The team’s current Director of College Scouting, Jeff Bauer, has been with the team since 2002 when Bradway’s regime hired him as an area scout. It is 2014.
We have seen similar situations when Rex Ryan and John Idzik were hired. When Ryan took over as the head coach, he lobbied to keep Brian Schottenheimer as the offensive coordinator (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/rex-ryan-works-brian-schottenheimer-jets-article-1.421922). The logic at the time was keeping continuity on offense and that he wasn’t fully comfortable running that half of the team. When Idzik was hired, it was widely known that a prerequisite for taking the Jets GM job was keeping Ryan (http://nesn.com/2013/01/report-rex-ryans-job-safe-for-next-year-with-jets-general-manager-candidates-told-they-must-keep-coach/). This was an uncommon stipulation that kept many candidates away from the position. When you couple that with immediate pressure to trade the team’s injured best player (Darrelle Revis) because the owner and team’s front office had a broken relationship with his management, this wasn’t an easy situation to walk into. Idzik has done an uneven job at best in his limited time here and is creeping towards hot seat territory in many people’s mind, even though Mike Tannenbaum’s team started 1-8 in his second season and he lasted five more years.
Today, let’s focus on the coach who is now currently 43-45 overall here and steamrolling to his fourth straight non-playoff season. A common line of rhetoric from some fans and people looking at the team is basically this: Poor Rex. This team never gets him any support. This is a great coach. Go get him a good quarterback, offensive line, some receivers, a top flight running back, a bunch of corners and he can’t lose. Dump the GM. Dump the QB. Dump the OC. Help him out or let him walk and watch him rip off a bunch of Super Bowls in Atlanta or somewhere else.
There are shreds of truth in that line of rhetoric but also a ton of oversight, false victimizing and an enormous overrating of Ryan’s overall ability.
Ryan inherited a talented team in 2009 that was stocked up thanks to the drafts of Mike Tannenbaum and Eric Mangini (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&id=5782180), along with their aggressive spending prior to 2008. Yes, the head coach was involved in the draft process with Tannenbaum (http://www.amazon.com/Collision-Low-Crossers-Turbulent-Football/dp/0316196797), just like he is under Idzik.
Cornerstones of that 2009 team were Nick Mangold, Darrelle Revis, David Harris, D’Brickashaw Ferguson, Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Brandon Moore, Thomas Jones, Brad Smith, Dustin Keller, Jerricho Cotchery, Calvin Pace and Shaun Ellis, who were all acquired before Rex got here. Post Rex, they supported this talent with Bart Scott, Braylon Edwards, Jim Leonhard, Marques Douglas and the 2009 draft class (three total players). They also whiffed on additions like Lito Sheppard and Donald Strickland (due to injury). Rex took this pre-made team, with the best offensive line in the NFL, 1,400 yard running back and a handful of key pieces on defense and got them to 7-7, while hiding his rookie quarterback. We all know what happened in 2009 and how the Jets managed to get in the playoffs. Rex then coached his derriere off for two straight road playoff wins before falling short in the 2009 AFC Championship Game.
In 2010, Rex was given the keys to a team good enough to win the Super Bowl. The core of the team was still Mangini/Tannenbaum acquisitions but they were supported by Rex/Tannenbaum acquisitions like Antonio Cromartie, Santonio Holmes, Matt Slauson, LaDainian Tomlinson and a few more. Quarterback Mark Sanchez was better than in 2009 and the Jets nearly did win the Super Bowl but showed up woefully unprepared for the AFC Championship Game.
That is where the successful part of this story ends. Collision Low Crossers (http://turnonthejets.com/2013/12/collision-low-crossers-review-must-read-jets-fans/) remains mandatory reading for any Jets fans or somebody who wants to debate Rex Ryan because of just how many problems it accurately foreshadowed for this team. Let’s look at the numbers since that year kicked off:
This was a team good enough to make the playoffs in 2011, who underachieved and tanked by losing their last three (two to non-playoff teams). It culminated with Rex’s hand picked captain, Santonio Holmes, getting thrown out of his huddle and Rex admitting “he lost the pulse of the team (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7415765/new-york-jets-rex-ryan-says-think-had-pulse-team).” As outlined in the previously mentioned book, the atmosphere around the entire team was toxic all season. To top it off, failed acquisitions and lack of draft success post Mangini began to show an effect. The logic behind adding Derrick Mason was that Rex could control him in the locker room and knew him well from his time in Baltimore (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/15/rex-ryan-thinks-derrick-mason-will-get-90-100-catches/). It didn’t work out and they lost Jerricho Cotchery in the process. In retrospect, the Ryan/Tannenbaum duo started off their time together by going 0/7 in the 2009 and 2010 NFL Draft. One of the those seven players are left, Kyle Wilson (a pick Rex was plenty in favor of (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/01/rex-ryan-hints-that-rob-ryan-wanted-kyle-wilson-in-cleveland/)), and if you have seen Wilson play you likely wish zero of those players were left.
- Two General Managers. Three Offensive Coordinators. Two primary starting quarterbacks. Two Defensive Coordinators.
- 23 wins. 33 losses. Twelve losses by 20 points or more (five of them to non-playoff teams, six if Buffalo doesn’t make it this season). Ten additional losses by 10 points or more (six of them to non-playoff teams).
- A 8-12 record against the AFC East, including losses by 19, 23 and 20 points to the Buffalo Bills, losses by 21 and 20 points to the Miami Dolphins and losses by 30 and 21 points to the New England Patriots.
- Three sideshow, “rock bottom” occurrences (The final game in 2011, the entire 2012 season (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8794261/new-york-jets-rex-ryan-probably-fired-woody-johnson-needs-change-coaching) and right now).
- One Head Coach.
Part of this is on Tannenbaum and now currently with Idzik for allowing Rex too much of a say in personnel manners. We saw this last season with Ed Reed, when his addition knocked ascending safety Antonio Allen out of the lineup and began a season long decline into the mess he is today. In less harmful situations, Rex publicly wanted John Conner, Tahj Boyd, and Scotty McKnight.
Yet, those aren’t killer moves. What has killed Rex Ryan is his inability to develop players, outside of defensive lineman and creating an environment that doesn’t support quarterback growth or offensive football.
Rex has repeatedly admitted to lacking an understanding of offense and has now had two quarterbacks flop under him. Why in the world would anybody give him another young quarterback? Rex can’t coach quarterbacks and so far has not put together a staff that can either. He left full autonomy for Mark Sanchez with Brian Schottenheimer and Matt Cavanaugh, outside of publicly implementing a “Red-Yellow-Green” system for him, then saying the team would throw more in 2011, then saying they were going back to the “Ground and Pound.” Throughout this time, the Jets also regularly ran The Wildcat, despite the league passing it by.
2012? Tannenbaum and Rex brought Tim Tebow in because they had to replace Brad Smith for The Wildcat. The new Offensive Coordinator, Tony Sparano, hired by Rex was best known for you guessed it? The Wildcat! After 2012 was a miserable failure (Rex gets minimal credit for getting 6 wins out of a 4 win roster, thanks to late season 1 point wins over Arizona and Jacksonville’s backups…there shouldn’t be a celebration of mediocrity), Rex moved on to Marty Mornhinweg. However, guess who his quarterback coach hire was? David Lee: Architect of The Wildcat. And yes, the Jets still run The Wildcat when it hasn’t been relevant in the NFL since 2008 and regularly use gadget plays for their backup quarterback…all these offensive coordinators and quarterback coaches later but still with the same offensively clueless Head Coach.
You think it is easy for a quarterback to grow in a culture dominated by defense and making sure the offense stays out of the way? Probably not (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/01/rex-ryan-hints-that-rob-ryan-wanted-kyle-wilson-in-cleveland/). It isn’t easy for an entire offense to grow. Rex is the Head Coach, he is responsible for the entire team, not just the defense. The point of the offense under Rex is to hide. (http://turnonthejets.com/2013/11/new-york-jets-recreation-football-week-12-passing-game-breakdown/)
The culture problems expand beyond the quarterback and offensive struggles. Rex Ryan’s Jets can’t handle success. They are 2-12 after their last 14 wins. Think about that stat and what it shows. This is a team that has won back to back games twice since the beginning of the 2012 season. They can be good enough to beat or compete with New England one week but then lose by 40 the next week to Cincinnati or 20 the next week to Buffalo. Is that talent or coaching? Rex can get his teams up when they are underdogs or when he feels like he has a personal vendetta against the quarterback (Tom Brady, Peyton Manning) but if he doesn’t respect the team or the quarterback or is reading his team’s own press clippings, they sleepwalk on to the field. Beyond that, if Rex respects the opposing team’s style of play too much and recognizes they can’t be bullied (Baltimore, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Seattle, even Tennessee) the team no shows. It leaves a small window of games the Jets seem prepared for.
The NFL is a league built for parity and competitive games. You shouldn’t be losing 22/33 games in a three season span by double digits, especially when they are routinely to non-playoff teams. You shouldn’t be losing to a Buffalo by 19 points or more for three straight seasons. We aren’t talking about New England, we are talking about Buffalo. Well coached teams don’t lose that routinely in that fashion.
The locker room issues present in 2011 have festered and still exist, with players complaining about a lack of team preparation (http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/10/raw_emotion_or_not_demario_davis_was_being_honest_when_he_ripped_the_jets_practice_habits.html) and admitting they don’t prepare properly themselves (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/10/9/6951433/michael-vick-new-york-jets-scout-team). There is a general lack of accountability. You keep telling everybody you are practicing great, your players start to think they are practicing great even when you are losing every week and appear unprepared. You keep telling everybody how great everybody on your team is, nobody thinks there are any issues and you keep losing every week…and losing badly (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000113504/article/mark-sanchez-situation-demands-honesty-from-rex-ryan-jets).
The Rex Ryan Jets are on a 3.5 year trend of being the exact same team. They are going to lose more than they win, frequently in blowout or embarrassing fashion. The situation is going to devolve into a complete mess roughly once every year. They are going to play bad offense. They aren’t going to force turnovers. They aren’t going to make in-game adjustments (as they have regularly been in the bottom half of the league in 3rd quarter scoring and points allowed). They aren’t going to develop much talent in-house. In Tannenbaum and Ryan’s four drafts, the team has developed three competent NFL players who aren’t defensive lineman: Jeremy Kerley, BIlal Powell (doesn’t play anymore) and Demario Davis…again that is it over the course of FOUR drafts. The early returns on the Idzik/Ryan drafts haven’t been promising either but then again Rex couldn’t develop Tannenbaum’s players, why would he be able to develop Idzik’s or another GM’s?
There is also going to be a stubborn lack of adjustments. The Jets are short on personnel but are coached like they still have Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie in their prime at corner. Rex would rather go down blitzing and getting beat repeatedly in the same way, rather than consistently stick with the zone heavy scheme that allowed them to be competitive against Denver and New England this season. There will also be regular time and sideline management issues with a ton of penalties.
In the right situation, Rex Ryan could be a successful NFL Head Coach. If he has an offensive coordinator who can basically function as a head coach for half of the team, along with a competent quarterback who is supported by an elite offensive line and running game and a veteran heavy presence throughout both sides of the ball, along with talented man-press corners. Unfortunately when there are this many prerequisites for success, it limits how good of an all around coach you really are.
I have no idea if John Idzik can pick a successful head coach. Nobody does. I do know Rex Ryan has performed poorly at his job for the past 3.5 seasons, with two different GMs, three different offensive coordinators, two different defensive coordinators, and two different quarterbacks. He was a good enough coach to win with Mark Sanchez, with Eric Mangini and Mike Tannenbaum’s roster but not a good enough coach to win with Mark Sanchez, with his and Mike Tannenbaum’s roster. So far, he isn’t a good enough coach to win with his and John Idzik’s roster. There is a constant there and it isn’t the GM.
Nobody wanted Idzik fired after 2013, while it was an open debate whether Rex should be brought back, just like it was after 2012…just like it will be after 2014. But are you really going to award four straight non-playoff seasons by giving a coach his third GM, third quarterback and potentially fourth offensive coordinator? Maybe the Jets will give him the Bradway treatment and demote him to defensive coordinator…
As a Rex supporter, that article hurts a bit. I can't really dispute it. You can interpret things differently such as: GMs needing to be better builders; Tanny handing away money like Halloween candy; Idzik holding it tighter than Ebenezer Scrooge; all leading to exceedingly declining rosters. In the end though, it does get tiring hearing how every week was "the best practice all year-we just didn't execute."
What else is he supposed to say? "I'm doing the best I can but honestly, can you tell me what anyone else could do better with this freaking shambles of a QB?" might be a more genuine answer, but it wouldn't do him any favours.
If Rex raves about how we practice I've learned to pencil that upcoming game as a blowout loss
If Rex raves about how we practice I've learned to pencil that upcoming game as a blowout loss
The one thing I like about Rex are his gross exaggerations and his protection of anyone Jets related in the press conferences. I automatically knock people's intelligence a peg or two if they harp on his words. You have to be freaking stupid not to see what he tries to accomplish by deflecting criticism and his effusive praise.
What else is he supposed to say? "I'm doing the best I can but honestly, can you tell me what anyone else could do better with this freaking shambles of a QB?" might be a more genuine answer, but it wouldn't do him any favours.
The one thing I like about Rex are his gross exaggerations and his protection of anyone Jets related in the press conferences. I automatically knock people's intelligence a peg or two if they harp on his words. You have to be freaking stupid not to see what he tries to accomplish by deflecting criticism and his effusive praise.
FTR, I'm well aware that Rex deflects criticism and is always willing to take it upon himself rather than the spotlight be on his players or staff. That doesn't change the fact that at times this team looks completely unprepared for the game they're playing.
I'm not discussing whether he likes to "talk up" his guys. I'm talking about him having far too much confidence in his own preparation of the team.
Almost every team has its games where they look unprepared and get the excrement kicked out of them. For the most part Rex has them ready to go and we're in the game, even this year six of the eight games have been tight, last year we won some of the close ones we didn't get so far this year.
From: @KMart_LI
Sent: Oct 29, 2014 2:21p
Rex: "We had a good practice. I always seem to say it. ...so hopefully it'll carry over into the game." #jets
I think my original point is being misunderstood.
Rex thinks he's having great practices. He thinks Geno Smith is progressing. Why?
His LBs probably dominate against the pass during practice. Big deal, the pass protection is lackluster. Geno is throwing well against this team's secondary? Wow. I'd be impressed if I didn't think this secondary would struggle against a college passing attack right now.
Sure enough, look at what Rex said this afternoon:
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 23m23 minutes agoI'd imagine benching Geno might not solve the problem, but has to improve it
Rex said he has talked to Vick about the turnovers and improving in that area. #nyj
Problem solved.
I'd imagine benching Geno might not solve the problem, but has to improve it
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 21s22 seconds ago
Q: Does Geno deserve another chance to start over the next two months?
Rex: "Let's just get through this game."
lol
The one thing I like about Rex are his gross exaggerations and his protection of anyone Jets related in the press conferences. I automatically knock people's intelligence a peg or two if they harp on his words. You have to be freaking stupid not to see what he tries to accomplish by deflecting criticism and his effusive praise.
Eric Decker is not a smart man.
http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/eric-decker-asks-fans-why-they-love-the-new-york-jets-102914
It looked more like an enter to win something kind of deal. He's new here, I'm sure he meant no harm.
There's really only one way to resolve this. Naked pictures. You send me yours, I'll send you mine, fair trade and we can all be friends again.
There comes a point in time where this stuff just isn't funny especially running your mouth at Decker's wife. That's just freaking stupid, I hope that's not a Jets fan.
Jessie James Decker @JessieJDecker · 8m8 minutes agoI freaking lolled
Who do you play for? RT @ScottCantor1: @JessieJDecker @TalkJetsRadio Just stay out of it and go back to the kitchen
There comes a point in time where this stuff just isn't funny especially running your mouth at Decker's wife. That's just freaking stupid, I hope that's not a Jets fan.
There comes a point in time where this stuff just isn't funny especially running your mouth at Decker's wife. That's just freaking stupid, I hope that's not a Jets fan.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 2m2 minutes agoWe talkin bout practice. Not tha game, not tha game, we talkin bout practice
Guess what? Jets had a good practice today, Rex said. #nyj
The information age has its drawbacks.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 5m5 minutes ago
Fans running the http://firejohnidzik.com website announce they have raised $10,000 already to put up the billboard near MetLife #nyj
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 5m5 minutes ago
Fans running the http://firejohnidzik.com website announce they have raised $10,000 already to put up the billboard near MetLife #nyj
This is the type of thing that keeps embarrassing franchises embarrassing.
John Idzik is the type of thing that keeps embarrassing franchises embarrassing.If Woody fires a GM because of a billboard, we have enormous problems. Aside from that, it does nothing but take an enormous excrement on fans that are already in a sewer.
If Woody fires a GM because of a billboard, we have enormous problems. Aside from that, it does nothing but take an enormous excrement on fans that are already in a sewer.
Woody won't fire the GM because of a billboard, but I see absolutely no reason why the fans shouldn't use every means available to them to make their feelings as to where the blame lies very clear. It's a lot better than sitting in two hundred dollar seats clapping like lobotomised seals as this pathetic excuse of a roster shambles its way to the franchise's worst finish in nearly twenty years.
Pointless exercise. If fans want to get Woody to fire Idzik they simply have to stop going to games, that will get his attention more easily than a billboard
Pointless exercise. If fans want to get Woody to fire Idzik they simply have to stop going to games, that will get his attention more easily than a billboard
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 5m5 minutes ago
Fans running the http://firejohnidzik.com website announce they have raised $10,000 already to put up the billboard near MetLife #nyj
Costello is pumping this thing up for whatever reason, I've seen much more coverage of this in the Post than it deserves for a bunch of schmucks wanting to put up a billboard. I know for a fact he's a Giants fan, I like him as a writer but I don't know why he's pushing this thing.
Contrary to popular belief, beat writers want all of their local teams to do well. It results in increased national coverage for their stories and more opportunities to cover things like playoff games.
If he's pushing the billboard it's probably because he, like most are finally starting to, recognises that we have an amateur GM who's in over his head and making a bad team worse. The sooner he's replaced with someone who knows what he's doing, the sooner they'll have something a bit more optimistic to write about.
I doubt that Idzik's reticence to engage with the press has endeared him to the beat writers either.
Contrary to popular belief, beat writers want all of their local teams to do well. It results in increased national coverage for their stories and more opportunities to cover things like playoff games.
If he's pushing the billboard it's probably because he, like most are finally starting to, recognises that we have an amateur GM who's in over his head and making a bad team worse. The sooner he's replaced with someone who knows what he's doing, the sooner they'll have something a bit more optimistic to write about.
I doubt that Idzik's reticence to engage with the press has endeared him to the beat writers either.
I have grown to really dislike the "If you don't vote, you have no right to complain" argument, but any of these people who participated in these costly "Fire Idzik" campaigns have given up any right to complain about ticket prices from now on.
I think I said this previously but this whole thing reeks of shmucks who bought PSLs and are now angry about it.
Yup. Nothing makes you feel better about stupidly wasting money than stupidly wasting more money on essentially the same cause. That's how tit bars stay open.
I'd rather blow money on lap dances than a billboard though.
Has anyone ever seen anything like this before?
In regards to fans out for blood to have a GM fired?
I can't even think of a time when I've seen a GM in the spotlights
Has anyone ever seen anything like this before?
In regards to fans out for blood to have a GM fired?
I can't even think of a time when I've seen a GM in the spotlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGll87S98DA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGll87S98DA
Pretty much did this all day today. Nothing negative, a couple people with "cmon Jets lets do something!". A few more acknowledged they were too embarrassed to wear their Jets stuff out of the house.
We did get heckled by a bunch of 12 year olds on the subway last night. They started a Titans chant so I question their general NFL knowledge.
Pretty much did this all day today. Nothing negative, a couple people with "cmon Jets lets do something!". A few more acknowledged they were too embarrassed to wear their Jets stuff out of the house.
We did get heckled by a bunch of 12 year olds on the subway last night. They started a Titans chant so I question their general NFL knowledge.
Those 12 year olds owned us.Coupled with your boss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOmIweiq_j0
Some of these people would probably be upgrades over Geno
not really NYJ related but this is hilarious
https://twitter.com/Patriots/status/533077426231078912
What was it?
http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php?topic=1284.msg107895#msg107895
Dexter McDougle-
"Monday, McDougle said on his Instagram page that he's been cleared to start running again as he continues his recovery."
He can run? Put him in the game, he's probably already better than anyone else we have playing CB.
I don't think our corners have been atrocious in the last couple of games. Walls and Marcus Williams are both mediocre at best, but as long as they're not trying to play tight man coverage and as long as they have safety support, they're not horribly embarrassed the way the secondary was being earlier in the season.
He can run? Put him in the game, he's probably already better than anyone else we have playing CB.
Walls hasn't played since the last BUF game, but Williams has been solid.
Are you sure? Who was playing on the other side v Pitt? Was Allen back?
I watched the game and I have no idea who that is.
You and everyone else.
Idzik doesn't even know who he is. Thomas just showed up at practice one day and nobody ever told him to leave.
Yeah, somehow they held Rothlisberger in check. I was too busy enjoying the crowd around me to notice a lot of the details of who was doing what.Not even I am breaking out the keep Rex stuff.
#KeepRex
Not even I am breaking out the keep Rex stuff.
The guys got to go, sticking with Geno as long as he did doomed him to fail.
The only way he gets a pass is if Idzik absolutely forced it on him. In which case Rex should leave
Eitherway he doesn't belong here next year, the guy can't coach a competent offense. And offense is exponentially more important on Goodell s league
Do you purposefully contradict yourself?I said Rex doesn't belong here either way.
I like Rex. If the team is still playing hard for him and we sort out our offensive woes I'd like for him to stay. He's been dealt a really shitty hand with the roster this year.Let me ask you this
Let me ask you this
If you want Rex to stay that either means you have faith in the development of Geno Smith, or believe Rex can groom the 3rd new young QB under him.
Let me ask you this
If you want Rex to stay that either means you have faith in the development of Geno Smith, or believe Rex can groom the 3rd new young QB under him.
I'd like to see what Rex can do with a talented young quarterback.No, but I believe one could have turned Sanchez into one.
Tell me this. Do you believe that any coach in the league could have turned Geno Smith into a legitimate NFL starter?
No, but I believe one could have turned Sanchez into one.
Sanchez could be the biography on how to not groom a QB
I said Rex doesn't belong here either way.
Look at the list of contenders though:
Quarterback Kurt Warner, running back Edgerrin James, receiver Isaac Bruce, receiver Torry Holt, offensive tackle Orlando Pace, linebacker Junior Seau, running back Jerome Bettis, running back Terrell Davis, receiver Tim Brown, running back Roger Craig, receiver Marvin Harrison, offensive lineman Joe Jacoby, defensive tackle Mike Kenn and offensive lineman Will Shields, Kicker Morten Anderson, cornerback Ty Law, coach Tony Dungy, defensive back Steve Atwater, safety John Lynch, safety Darren Woodson, linebacker Kevin Greene, linebacker Karl Macklenburg, defensive end Charles Haley, coach Jimmy Johnson and coach Don Coryell.
Got to think that Harrison, Anderson and Dungy make it in. Tim Brown should but I have a feeling he has already been overlooked a couple of times already and maybe they just aren't going to put him in.
I think there are 3 legitimate 1st ballot guys (just players), Pace, Seau and Warner. I am not sure if the committee would do that though.
I don't see how Morten Anderson isn't a first ballot.
because he's a kicker
I don't see how Morten Anderson isn't a first ballot.He's probably still mulling a comeback.
And Sanchez didn't have it all that bad either. He had an all-decade offensive line for two years and a pretty good set of receiver talent for a few years. Sure Braylon and Holmes went to excrement and Cotchery left town but the talent was never the problem. Sanchez's problem was his head. He made idiotic decisions with the football.
We ruined his development by not giving him elite receivers every season.
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From: @KMart_LI
Sent: Nov 21, 2014 8:54a
"If you want to let him build this team, then let him build": #Jets players want Rex Ryan back, via @BobGlauber http://t.co/e6v0ZrJ2Aj (http://t.co/e6v0ZrJ2Aj)
Players want to #KeepRex:
of course they do....he runs a country club atmosphere.
Did you read the article?
The three specific players who spoke were D'Brick, Richardson, and Davis. Even if you discount Brick for diminished play, it's hard to say a bad word about Richardson or Davis and Davis was already vocal about practice ethic. If he's not blaming Rex, I find it hard to do so myself.
lol the article.
Of course i read it, but i've learned not to take anything at face value anymore.
Besides....the players' value to this roster doesn't correlate to the atmosphere Rex provides for this team.
Well, there's the difference between us. I don't see a problem with the atmosphere Rex creates for this team, in fact, I approve of it.
Ryan vs. Idzik will be interesting
Hopefully both are gone when it's all over
You know my feelings, but the only way I am even remotely ok with Rex being gone is if Idzik and his entire scouting department are gone with him.
You might as well get past that, because Idzik will be here next year.
If the stories about Idzik purposefully sabotaging this season to fire Rex have any truth to them, its hard to picture Idzik not getting canned for such a conniving thing (on top of just doing his job poorly).
If the stories about Idzik purposefully sabotaging this season to fire Rex have any truth to them, its hard to picture Idzik not getting canned for such a conniving thing (on top of just doing his job poorly).
Still doesn't make any sense. Why would a GM sabotage a season to fire a HC? If Rex does well it only makes the GM look good. Rex doing poorly reflects badly on Idzik. This makes zero sense. I doubt anyone would risk their career just to get a guy fired when he could've done so himself.
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But why wouldn't Idzik want the team to do well? If he gave Rex good players, and Rex wins, why would he want Rex out even if he was forced on him? I think he'd have more of a reason to fire Rex if he had given him decent players and Rex still lost.
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I'm pretty sure those stories are complete fabrications. I'm not defending Idzik, i want him gone....but let's be serious here.
But why wouldn't Idzik want the team to do well? If he gave Rex good players, and Rex wins, why would he want Rex out even if he was forced on him? I think he'd have more of a reason to fire Rex if he had given him decent players and Rex still lost.
But why wouldn't Idzik want the team to do well? If he gave Rex good players, and Rex wins, why would he want Rex out even if he was forced on him? I think he'd have more of a reason to fire Rex if he had given him decent players and Rex still lost.
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What's with the KKK avatars?
At least we don't suck at everything.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152442164221231
Lately I've wanted to punch everyone in the face who even mentions the Jets to me.
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 21m21 minutes ago
For Rex, winning trumps player development right now. "I want to win. I don't want to be 2-14, I can tell you that much." #jets
i have a problem with this. Nothing should trump player development right now. Sorry Rex.
Who do we even have to develop?
Dakota Dozier and IK Enemkpali are really the only players I can think of.
Pryor and Amaro are going to play.
Who do we even have to develop?
Dakota Dozier and IK Enemkpali are really the only players I can think of.
Pryor and Amaro are going to play.
Pryor and Amaro are going to play.
Sounds like Jace Amaro will miss another game.
Doesn't matter, Rex can't develop something something something
Huh
Chris Lopresti @CLoprestiWFAN 14m14 minutes ago
A.J. Edds signed by the Jaguars today. #NYJ waived rookie LB Jeremiah George to keep Edds on 9/1. Both with Jacksonville now.
Our logo for You Don't Know Football should've been Idzik's face.Imagine how good our guys must be if they beat out stars like A.J. Edds and Jeremiah George for roster spots.
Imagine how good our guys must be if they beat out stars like A.J. Edds and Jeremiah George for roster spots.
Schefter- Jets' management fully aware of the unhappiness about GM John Idzik both outside and inside the organization.If we could walk away from the Idzik era with a hot ticket offensive head coach, top 3 draft pick, a promising GM, and a billion dollars in cap space. That wouldn't be so bad.
Schefter- Jets' management fully aware of the unhappiness about GM John Idzik both outside and inside the organization.
Who the hell is "management?"
Who the hell is "management?" When I hear that term in sports I think FO personnel, primarily the GM.
What's Idzik going to do now that he realizes fans, players and coaches hate him? Fire everyone? Lord knows he won't resign of his own accord
I am proud to be the most consistently bad team on that map.
LOL, why the Niners hate in Alaska and Hawaii?
From: @SethWalderNYDN
Sent: Dec 8, 2014 3:34p
Richardson on fans that have given up on Geno Smith: "They're quitters." #nyj
Thanks Sheldon. Now GFY.
I love this guy on the field, but he's got a mighty big mouth. Geno sucks. That's not a quitter's attitude, it just means we still have some functionality left in our eyes.
Thanks Sheldon. Now GFY.
I love this guy on the field, but he's got a mighty big mouth. Geno sucks. That's not a quitter's attitude, it just means we still have some functionality left in our eyes.
Lol what is he gonna say "you guys are right that nigga trash"I'd buy his jersey if he did.
Lol what is he gonna say "you guys are right that nigga trash"
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 2m2 minutes ago
Jets STC Thomas McGaughey tells Houston FOX 26 he's "very interested" in U of Houston HC vacancy. Ex-asst coach at UH, his alma mater. #nyj
oh no. please dont go
From: @BobGlauber
Sent: Dec 9, 2014 12:09p
Thank you, Bill Polian. "@MBGreen_JO: Mariota is another system QB, no thanks. Do your homework, Glauber. #nyjets”
sent via Twitter for iPhone in reply to @MBGreen_JO
Bwahahahaahahaah!!!
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 1m1 minute ago
Geno Smith (8 pick-6s in 2 yrs) has given away as many TDs as any player has scored for the Jets over that span. Ivory has 8 TDs. #nyj
:(
Screenshot for historical purposes:
(http://i.imgur.com/LNyx90z.png)
you're gonna frame that and put it in your cave, aren't you?
Our beat writers are the worst
98td's and 12 interceptions with 4 rushing td's...........that's some system.
How did that QB fare in the NFL?
Bob Glauber @BobGlauber 52s53 seconds ago
Marcus Mariota: 6-4, 219 pounds. Career stats: 101 TD passes, 12 INTs, 28 rushing TDs. A system quarterback? That's some system!
Mariota is a lot better at everything than Geno, especially decision making... But there are certainly things to be worried about, and the system is one of them.
Id be confident Harbaugh could mold him into a quality QB though.
Question... better prospect- RGIII or Mariota?
Mariota is a lot better at everything than Geno, especially decision making... But there are certainly things to be worried about, and the system is one of them.
Id be confident Harbaugh could mold him into a quality QB though.
Question... better prospect- RGIII or Mariota?
Bob Glauber @BobGlauber 52s53 seconds ago
Marcus Mariota: 6-4, 219 pounds. Career stats: 101 TD passes, 12 INTs, 28 rushing TDs. A system quarterback? That's some system!
freak this QB class
Why?rape system system rape rape character system only 2 picks though
Why?
Is "JO" for jerkoff?
I truly do miss my football friends.
Don't worry...Tommy will be home soon.
Oh lawdMight as well follow her on Twitter now for the post-show angry rant she'll probably have.
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 3m3 minutes ago
Jessie James Decker announced she's having a concert at halftime of Jets-Patriots game on Dec. 21 at MetLife Stadium #nyj
This will not go great.
Depressing.My favorite options that seem realistic outside the draft are Bradford and Griffin. Both could be available at a relative discount, and both have the ability to be the long-term answer. Obviously, it's hard to put a ton of faith in either one, but if the Jets don't want to draft Winston or Mariota, they can spend a mid-round pick on a QB and hope that Griffin or Bradford develops.
http://thejetsblog.com/nyjets/outside-the-draft-what-are-some-options-at-qb-for-the-jets/
My favorite options that seem realistic outside the draft are Bradford and Griffin. Both could be available at a relative discount, and both have the ability to be the long-term answer. Obviously, it's hard to put a ton of faith in either one, but if the Jets don't want to draft Winston or Mariota, they can spend a mid-round pick on a QB and hope that Griffin or Bradford develops.
Kiper said today that there isn't a franchise QB available in the draft.
I'd rather pick other positions (and trade down) that fill other needs next year. No QB we bring in from any available method will make this a playoff team. So rather than putting everything into a guy who is going to get beat into the ground (yet again) fill in the team around the QB position and if you see one next year that is a "must have" trade up for him.
I wish Kiper and his ilk would stop perpetuating this nonsense. They said the same thing about the 2014 class too. It's like the 2012 QB class made everyone retarded because all I keep hearing is "there's no Andrew Luck in this draft class." There were no QBs of that caliber between 1998 and 2012 and plenty of teams that drafted QBs during that gap did just fine. As if teams should just wait for the next pro-style, P5, 6'4"+, 230+ lb son of a former NFL QB to come around.
Not to mention the complete distortion of what "franchise QB" means. Is he your unquestioned starter? Then he's a franchise QB.
This is certainly a possibility, but there's always the "my guy" factor that new regimes tend to have.
I don't think "unquestioned starter" equates to "franchise QB." You can build an organization around Andrew Luck, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, anyone named Manning. Jay Cutler is the unquestioned starter in Chicago; is he a franchise QB?
Might as well follow her on Twitter now for the post-show angry rant she'll probably have.
Actually I'd say Cutler's status there has come into question. And it's clear that Kiper is conflating "franchise QB" with "elite". Reducing everyone to one end of the spectrum or the other is just silly, it's just another facet of the ESPN machine. There needs to be something in between "elite" and "journeyman".
At least when Rex says he thinks Geno will be good it's just him trying to back his players. When Geno says "Pro Bowl" he's just delusional.
The hatred of Mel Kiper, Jr. on this board is amazing.
I always found it weird that kiper always disappears during the season. I know his main focus is on prospects, but you'd think he'd chime in here and there. I mean, he's making us believe that he can decide who's nfl ready, so I'd like to see how much he knows about the nfl and its players.He's prepping his hair for the other 10 months or so.
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JO is more pro-McShay
This is certainly a possibility, but there's always the "my guy" factor that new regimes tend to have.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
The Jets should have let them score to get the number one draft pick, who will be really good. It will just never change for them!
“Darrelle is a great player,” Johnson said. “If I thought I could have gotten Darrelle for that [contract], I probably would have taken him. It was our best judgment to do what we did. Darrelle’s a great player. I’d love Darrelle to come back.”
I wonder if the Jets have the potential to lose a later draft pick over the Woody tampering thing? That has happened before. Woody already potentially tampered earlier this year with Desean Jackson.Well this bundle of sticks wants us to get looked into
Well this bundle of sticks wants us to get looked into
You would think that the league would look into those comments, along the lines of what you just said," Belichick said, referring to the WEEI host mentioning tampering in his question. "I'm sure that's something that they would look into."
I don't think anything will come of it since Revis is an ex Jet and they will argue the context
Woody also called Kraft personally to explain himself. I'd assume Woody will be fined but that will be the end of it.
I'll bet on the side that we lose a late pick or have to swap a late pick with the Pats. This isn't the first time Woody's done this, this year alone. It was blatant and there is a precedent for losing draft picks.
I'm probably wrong, and I hope I am.
If Woody just stayed in bed yesterday the franchise would be a lot better off than it is today.
If Woody just stayed in bed yesterday the franchise would be a lot better off than it is today.
We'd still have Idzik.
Also, he'd have just fired both via phone.
I think that was a mistake too, why act guilty? freak Kraft.
Could have fired Idzik via Twitter and promoted Rex to full control. From his bed.
Great, Rex could have hired terrible coaches AND signed terrible players.
Players love Rex, we could have gotten a lot of free agents with our cap space and Rex in charge.
I just think it's a lot harder to find a good NFL head coach than a lot of you guys seem to think, especially for New York. But you don't have to take my word for it, just watch what we do next. Copy and paste this if you want to, put it in your signature. Just make sure my name is there so you remember who told you.
If Woody just stayed in bed yesterday the franchise would be a lot better off than it is today.
We will not get fined and we will get Revis back, mark my words.
Maybe but after Woody's statements do you think that, if given the chance, he wouldn't bring him back?
Don't know. This season, if we had Revis, the team would have probably got 3 or 4 more victories and Rex would probably still be the head coach.
Not to mention a good chunk of that cap space would be eaten up.
Also, Revis wouldn't magically make Geno any less of a turnover machine which was the main reason our defense was shitting the bed. Not much they can do when were constantly going 3 and out or turning it over in our own territory.
He'd net us maybe 1 or 2 more wins at best.
Don't know. This season, if we had Revis, the team would have probably got 3 or 4 more victories and Rex would probably still be the head coach.
Don't know. This season, if we had Revis, the team would have probably got 3 or 4 more victories and Rex would probably still be the head coach.Would Rex really still be coach if the Jets went 4 consecutive seasons without a winning record and the playoffs?
Don't know. This season, if we had Revis, the team would have probably got 3 or 4 more victories and Rex would probably still be the head coach.
Matter of fact Idzik would be praised right now as the mad genius who traded Revis for a 1st and 3rd, drafted DROTY with the pick, and then resigned Revis
Not so sure about that, it's hard not to notice almost all his draft picks sucked derriere. A Revis signing wouldn't fix that especially if all he did was offer him the most money and overpay him yet again.Amaro, Richardson, Milliner were all decent picks
Amaro, Richardson, Milliner were all decent picks
That along with bringing back Revis and people would be pretty damn happy
Geno Smith wipes it all out.Geno wasn't a bad draft pick. Not by any means
Geno wasn't a bad draft pick. Not by any means
The bad part was letting him play.
If Geno was drafted, sat the bench as a rookie behind Sanchez last year. Then sat behind Vick this year, I'd say it was a great move.
Amaro, Richardson, Milliner were all decent picks
That along with bringing back Revis and people would be pretty damn happy
If Geno sat for two full years we'd all be saying it was a terrible pick because it was a wasted resource drafting a guy who couldn't even get on the field. The arguments would be the same, would have been nice to have drafted an OL with that pick or a safety or a WR or a TE or anybody but Gwno freaking smithFor other positions maybe
Richardson was a fantastic pick. you can't say much about the rest of his 2 drafts to be honest.If just one of those OL guys pans out to be decent, and one of those guys on IR pans out (Evans, Milliner, McDougle) it'll be hard to complain about the drafts too much
For other positions maybe
But QB is important enough that taking a 2nd round flier on a guy with potential, hoping he gets it isn't terrible.
The guy is physically gifted, but needed to learn offenses, reading defenses etc
If he couldn't beat out the Mark Sanchez we had seen, and the vick we witnessed this year, particularly the San Diego version people would be expecting Geno to still suck monkey nuts (and they would have been right, he's a dipshit)Of course he wouldn't have beaten out Sanchez.
Geno wasn't a bad draft pick. Not by any means
The bad part was letting him play.
If Geno was drafted, sat the bench as a rookie behind Sanchez last year. Then sat behind Vick this year, I'd say it was a great move.
If just one of those OL guys pans out to be decent, and one of those guys on IR pans out (Evans, Milliner, McDougle) it'll be hard to complain about the drafts too much
You have oddly low standards.QB is the most important position in sports.
Had Manziel fallen to our 2nd round pick last year it would be the same thing.
The player might end up being excrement, but it was still a great pick at the time.
There were 8 QBs that went in the 2nd round or later in the 2014 NFL Draft that were better pro prospects than Geno Smith's sorry derriere.For the sake of not being Italian Seafood I'll just stop here
It was not a good pick. Stop talking out of your derriere. He didn't get to sit. He played and he was awful.
Kellen Clemens was a excrement pick and he got to sit.
QB is the most important position in sports.nobody thought Geno was a top pick after his second half of the senior season. Hell anybody who watched what Doug Marrone did to him in the pinstripe bowl (2 safeties, 2!) should have said this guy is not a mid round pick. He was arbirtrarily pushed up boards in the weakest class in probably 25 years for QBs.
Had Manziel fallen to our 2nd round pick last year it would be the same thing.
First round potential, for terrific value.
The player might end up being excrement, but it was still a great pick at the time.
People could pretend that they knew he was a bust, but there's a reason scouts analyst and all that excrement thought Geno was a top pick
Geno was a bad pick but not a catastrophic pick. He was taken in the second round and nothing was traded for him. Stephen Hill was much worse in my opinion.
Not sure if you saw my post with all of our second round picks since 2000, but David Harris is the only longterm starter we found in 14 drafts. It's disgusting.
It definitely was. Had the pick worked out, Sanchez had a chance to take the next step. Passing on Alshon Jeffery was moronic. The Jets didn't pass on a better QB. There wasn't a good QB in the 2013 NFL Draft - it's the worst QB class that I can remember.
Not sure if you saw my post with all of our second round picks since 2000, but David Harris is the only longterm starter we found in 14 drafts. It's disgusting.
Nugent!
McGraw!
Stephen Hill!
Ducasse!
Superbowl.
Geno was a bad pick but not a catastrophic pick. He was taken in the second round and nothing was traded for him. Stephen Hill was much worse in my opinion.
Stephen Hill was worse just because we wiffed so badly. We left Alshon Jefferey and Demarius Thomas on the board.
Jeffery yes but not Thomas, he was a 1st rounder from 2 years prior.
Who am I thinking of then?
Stephen Hill was worse just because we wiffed so badly. We left Alshon Jefferey and Demarius Thomas on the board.
Who am I thinking of then?
Who am I thinking of then?
Who am I thinking of then?
Rueben Randle
T.J. Graham
Who am I thinking of then?
Who am I thinking of then?
Ian Eagle just said on 660 that teams like Oakland and the Jaguars are in a better place than us because "at least they have a young quarterback and some semblance of a plan. In getting rid on Rex Ryan they have erased their identity and will have to start from scratch."
that's not the worst thing in the world considering what they were doing wasn't working, but a lot of the players played to Rex's style on the field, and it will be interesting to see how they react to a new HC.
eagle also said that he's not in love with any of the HC candidates out there.
I think if we bring in another top notch defensive mind, the best players on the team will get behind him quickly. Bowles and Quinn would fit nicely in that regard.There's more than being top notch
terry Bradshaw is on 660 WFAN at 6pm.... Wtf
What does Terry Bradshaw have to do with the Jets?
In before edit
Jets backup linebacker Jermaine Cunningham was arrested on December 29 and charged with “spreading sexual images and illegally transporting a handgun,” according to reporter Tom Haydon (NJ.com, Jan. 6).
I like her more each day.
Jessie James Decker @JessieJDecker · 7m 7 minutes agoLet's bring in Gase at OC and Demaryius.
@DemaryiusT come visit
Recruiter
Let's bring in Gase at OC and Demaryius.
Suddenly well look like a real team
Gase in Chicago now could you imagine Thomas with Marshall and jeffery
That's a little overkill,that's like having Kate Upton, Jessica Alba and Scarlett Johansson sit on your face all at once.
Y
On second thought it's like something else nevermind.....
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/01/19/2014-pff-all-afc-east-team/
Oday Aboushi.
Did I just read that correctly?
Slim pickings in the AFCE.
Also, I think they picked the best LG and the best RG instead of just the two best Gs. So Aboushi just had to be better than 3 other guys to get on here.
I didnt know he was better than 3 guards in the entire NFL, let alone the best in a division.
Jake Steinberg @Steiny31 42m42 minutes ago
Cardinals defensive assistant/assistant defensive backs coach Ryan Slowik is joining the #Jets staff.
Steiny is reporting this...won't get its own thread until someone more credible reports it.
mikejurecki: Hearing #Cardinals defensive asst/defensive backs coach Ryan Slowik will join Todd Bowles coaching staff in New York. #Jets
Fox Sports Phoenix...
Tweeted a full day before Steiny. This guy also broke the Caldwell hire.
I already reported on this freak off both of you.
Miamipuck @Miamiphuck69 2 minutes ago
Cardinals defensive assistant/assistant defensive backs coach Ryan Slowik is joining the #Jets staff.
sorry...all i heard were your funbags swaying in the wind.
Those were yours belting you in the head.
I hope Ron Wolf gets gang raped:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/48987/hof-nominee-ron-wolf-reflects-on-jets-and-the-almost-brett-favre-trade
I hope Ron Wolf gets gang raped:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/48987/hof-nominee-ron-wolf-reflects-on-jets-and-the-almost-brett-favre-trade
Amazon customer service lady: "I'm sorry Mr. Mariopuck, we couldn't deliver your 18" blue jellycock you purchased on amazon because there was a blizzard that snowed the airplanes in. There simply wasn't a way to deliver it."
Puck: "I hope you die of the rapes, you whorebag."
I hope Bojanglesman gets gang raped.
I hope your blue jellycock has AIDS.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 44m44 minutes ago
Eric Decker selling free agent Demaryius Thomas on Jets #nyj: http://nyp.st/1yetitf via @nypost
get it done, Duff.
Dude's getting tagged or re-signed. No way he hits the market. Unless Duff kills Elway, he can't do much.
Decker should offer nudes of his wife to Denver to complete the transaction.I would kill Elway for those.
I would kill Elway for those.
we should receiver 2 1st round picks in return as well....one for each tit.
https://twitter.com/FireManishMehtaAre they going to fly a banner around the stadium?
FIRE MANISH MEHTA @FireManishMehta · 10h 10 hours ago
Lets start this movement! We deserve a beat writer who gives us positive and meaningful insight! RT to spread the word!
Kristian Dyer @KristianRDyer 3m3 minutes ago
#Jets fan buys http://FireMikeMaccagnan.com domain name to 'keep it from being used' http://www.metro.us/new-york/jets-fan-buys-firemikemaccagnan-com-domain-name-to-keep-it-from-being-used/zsJoaE---uaqwr9qPGSHSY/ … via @metronewyork
terrible fanbase
That guy is pretty cool though.
(https://thedirtyturban.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/aadeck3.jpg)
^ What's wrong with you people?Yep. Dems tittays be nice.
Who gives three shits if she has Johnny English implanted on one side and Eyedea on the other, those are still glorious funbags.
And still all is quiet on the Mornhinweg front. As far as I know he's still contracted with us, but clearly he's no longer the OC.
I wonder what happened to Idzik. Haven't heard anything about him.I heard he's hiring Tannenbaum as his agent
I wonder what happened to Idzik. Haven't heard anything about him.
Kristian Dyer-
Source: Geno Smith not guaranteed to start, #Jets will draft or sign QB for competition http://t.co/SwG3JZApdi via @metronewyork
Mallet to the Jets? Interesting...only if he's dirt cheap.Interesting if it means Geno won't be starting again
Brilliant move by Maccagnan, boy does this guy know murals.You're goddamn right he does.
Looks like Jet Up is here to stay.
If too many fans are standing at the games in 2015 they'll get rid of it.
If too many fans are standing at the games in 2015 they'll get rid of it.
Greg McElroy has become an awesome CFB analyst for ESPN
Are you watching the all star challenge? I saw some hot sideline reporter. What's her name?
don't know her name but she is hot
Dyer: Source: #Jets will go hard after C.J. Spiller in free agency http://t.co/eyLEyDavWS via @metronewyork #NYJets
Dyer: Source: #Jets will go hard after C.J. Spiller in free agency http://t.co/eyLEyDavWS via @metronewyork #NYJets
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470920/article/vernon-gholston-tweets-he-has-tryout-with-redskins
A blurb by Tony Pauline in the rumors page of WalterFootball.com. It's interesting.
It was bandied about the Internet that the New York Jets has spent a significant amount of time with Philip Dorsett. I can confirm that to be true. Besides the Jets, the other team who has taking a liking to the speedy wide out are the Green Bay Packers.
Staying with the New York Jets, I spoke with a league insider about the team's free agency plans. I was told the Jets intend to be big players in free agency, specifically on defense. I'm told they will target outside linebackers and cornerbacks as big-ticket items. They evidently will look for younger, taller corners. Potential free agents who fit that mold include Davon House, Chris Culliver and someone familiar to the team's new general manager Bob Maccagnan, Kareem Jackson. I'm told they will look to add depth on the defensive line and hope to add a mid-value guard; someone who won't cost a lot of money. When asked if the Jets would go after Mike Iupati, the response was, "the present belief around the league is they won't spend $8 million for Iupati."
1) Completley ignore offense
2) Fire Rex
3) Profit
"Bob Maccagnan"
sit down, Pauline
I am going to start a website and will make excrement up but attribute it to 'sources'. Seems to work for everyone else.
Secondly, how does Chris Owusu rate as a below average player? Does the guy even have a catch in his career?
The funny stuff is that we have lots of average and above average guys on offence, and with a few notable exceptions we are below average on defence. Weren't we supposed to be the other way around in theory?
Well it proves one thing we already know this roster sucks.
No, it proves that PFF think this roster sucks.
So a little bit of OL, a lot of bit of QB, and replacing the back 8 players on defense.
It can be done with smart FA moves and two really good drafts. It's not tough to be relevant again in this decade.
The entire back 8 doesnt have to be replaced. Davis, Coples, Pryor, Milliner and McDougle will have roles with this team and have the talent to be significant contributors. CB, S, OLB and ILB and the defense is sured up. Add another CB for good measure as well. I do agree that its certainly doable in 2 years if the right moves are made.
Milliner and McDougle are far from sure things. At least one 1 OLB, 1 ILB, 1 S, and 2 CBs should be considered in free agency.Just one safety?
Only about a week away...
Just one safety?
I could see us completely overhaul the position. The only guy sure to stick is Pryor. I could see us grabbing 2 if not 3 safeties.
Calvin Pryor and Antonio Allen are still here. Jaiquawn Jarrett is an RFA that might stick. Strong safety is solidified unless Bowles isn't high on Pryor. I think we'll sign a free safety and the probably draft a prospect in the middle rounds.That's assuming he doesn't keep Allen at cornerback
Tyrann Mathieu is Todd Bowles' son-in-law. I think he's going to stopgap at FS until the Honey Badger hits free agency.
CB related: If I had to put money on a prospect that the Jets will go after, it's Jalen Collins out of LSU. If he slips into the second round, Bowles will want him.
That's assuming he doesn't keep Allen at cornerback
Or have him in some mixed role
When was the last time the Jets had a ton of cap room like this? (Besides last season of course)We have a lot more cap room than we had last season
Around The NFL @AroundTheNFL 29m29 minutes agoManish's article from which this is based:
Report: Woody Johnson urging new GM to bring Revis back to Jets http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000475975/article/report-johnson-urging-gm-to-bring-revis-back-to-jets?campaign=Twitter_atl …
Around The NFL @AroundTheNFL 29m29 minutes agoI truly hope Woody isn't telling our new coach and GM how to do their jobs
Report: Woody Johnson urging new GM to bring Revis back to Jets http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000475975/article/report-johnson-urging-gm-to-bring-revis-back-to-jets?campaign=Twitter_atl …
I truly hope Woody isn't telling our new coach and GM how to do their jobs
I'm guessing you could probably count on the fingers of one hand the owners who don't express their views on players to their GMs. It's only a problem if they're insistent on their will being executed.
So an owner suggests they bring back a good player at a position if dire need required for the scheme?
Oh no.
there's a little more involved here, than just filling a need with a good player.
And it's not just Revis....I don't think it's too much to ask of Woody to leave the people he hired to do their jobs, if that's indeed the case here. Of course, this is speculation.
He can insist. Lol he owns the team. I get the worry, but Woody isn't Jerry Jones or AL Davis.He "insisted" that our last GM keep Rex.
I think after an exhaustive search he trusts those guys to do what they're paid for.
I'd bring him here for 2 years. Sign a FA to pair with him. Meanwhile you still see what you have in McDougle/Milliner.
Then draft a mid round guy or early next year if it's still an issue.
In all reality I'm more interested in them making McCourty a top 3 paid safety allowing Bowles to unleash pryor to do what he does best.
there's a little more involved here, than just filling a need with a good player.
And it's not just Revis....I don't think it's too much to ask of Woody to leave the people he hired to do their jobs, if that's indeed the case here. Of course, this is speculation.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer 19m19 minutes ago
Re: @MMehtaNYDN story ... My feeling is if Revis hits the market next week, the Jets will be creative in their pursuit. Beyond just money.
"Eric, we need to borrow Jessie for a weekend....."
I don't know what they could offer other than maybe marketing opportunities.
He "insisted" that our last GM keep Rex.
That landed us Idzik as GM, and 2 more years of Rex
Geiger gets a spot on the 53 man roster
And rex is still regarded as a good coach in most nfl circles.He needed a GM who bought into his "insisting" that we keep Rex
Him insisting on rex and haphazardly hiring idzik are two different things.
He needed a GM who bought into his "insisting" that we keep Rex
It'll be so weird having back one of the best Jets players who took a little break to win the Fuckn super bowl with our hated divisional rival.It'll also be one of the worst moves this team can make.
It'll be so weird having back one of the best Jets players who took a little break to win the Fuckn super bowl with our hated divisional rival.
It'll also be one of the worst moves this team can make.
Giving a mental nutcase a mammoth contract while he enters his 30s
This will be our version of Philly signing Asomugha
You're making even less sense than usual.Giving a 30 year old greedy cornerback a 5 year 90 million dollar contract being a bad move doesn't make sense?
Giving a 30 year old greedy cornerback a 5 year 90 million dollar contract being a bad move doesn't make sense?
And then comparing it to Asomugha getting a monster contract around the same age, and being one of the biggest free agent busts of all time?
I don't think Revis will be bad like Asomugha, but he's going to be astronomically overpaid.
I'd strongly prefer backing up the truck for a younger cornerback
He didn't ask to be traded to Tampa, and he did try to come back at the first available opportunity. It's really quite difficult to blame him for what happened.
Sadly, I agree. I would rather have Cro and one of the other 2 FA CB not named Revis for the same money.We could get McCourty and Cromartie. Plus have several million to spare for the same money.
Geiger gets a spot on the 53 man roster
Is blow job queen a position in football?I think its abbreviation is QB for short
Giving a 30 year old greedy cornerback a 5 year 90 million dollar contract being a bad move doesn't make sense?
And then comparing it to Asomugha getting a monster contract around the same age, and being one of the biggest free agent busts of all time?
I don't think Revis will be bad like Asomugha, but he's going to be astronomically overpaid.
I'd strongly prefer backing up the truck for a younger cornerback
Giving a 30 year old greedy cornerback a 5 year 90 million dollar contract being a bad move doesn't make sense?Who is going to pay him $18 million per year?
And then comparing it to Asomugha getting a monster contract around the same age, and being one of the biggest free agent busts of all time?
I don't think Revis will be bad like Asomugha, but he's going to be astronomically overpaid.
I'd strongly prefer backing up the truck for a younger cornerback
Who is going to pay him $18 million per year?
Who is going to pay him $18 million per year?OK 16 million a year
Who is going to pay him $18 million per year?
OK 16 million a yearNo. He will be a 30 year old corner signing a $80 million contract. How many players ever see the full value of their contract? It would be a 4-5 year deal which is in reality a 3 year deal with a bunch of phoney money at the end to appease his need to say he is a $16 million corner.
He's still going to be a 30+ year old corner making close to 100 million
Isn't he slated to make 20 this year?It's phony money to give him the illusion of being paid $16 million per year. He hasn't been paid that. Nor will he be. Once the Pats cut or resign him, he will have been paid $12 million last year.
It's dumb to look at total contract values. They are meaningless other than for an ego. All that matters is guaranteed money and what a player actually gets paid. They can sign him to a $800 billion deal for all I care as long as the guarantees are reasonable. The rest will disappear into thin air when he gets cut or does a new contract.Then let's put it a different way.
Then let's put it a different way.
Would Revis be more valuable than Cromartie and McCourty plus probably having a little money left over
Why are you inventing contract details and then decrying your own inventions? This is ludicrous even by your standards.
Why are you inventing contract details and then decrying your own inventions? This is ludicrous even by your standards.I'm not inventing I'm speculating on what he will get.
Would you sign Revis for the Jets for vet minimum? If the answer to that is yes then you're not against signing Revis, you just put a ceiling value on him. Instead of talking about all the value that you think he isn't worth, why don't you talk about what you think he is?
I'm not inventing I'm speculating on what he will get.
Revis has major name recognition and that is going to come at a significant premium. Plus any team that wants to pull him away from a superbowl contender is certainly going to pay a premium for that.
You don't need to be a genius to see that Revis is going to get substantially more than all the other corner options out there.
The money COMBINED with his age is the biggest issue. If Revis was 26 or turning 27 then wildly overpaying might not be the worst thing. But for a rebuilding team to pay an extreme premium for a guy over 30 just isn't wise.
Forget all my rampant speculation for a second and let me ask you this. Do you think Revis will earn substantially more than what the typical top corner does?
Richard Sherman, 26 years old didn't even get 12 freaking million a year after winning a superbowl . Yet the belief is Revis is going to be gunning for at least 16/year.
Regardless of how poorly presented and organized my argument is this simple fact remains . Revis is over 30 and will command substantially more money than any other corner in the league.
That is the crux of the problem
I'd pay Revis quite a bit of money while he is 30-32 years old. That's 3 years. No contract he signs is going to be one that can't be exited after 3 years if need be. If he signs a 5 year deal, he will not be on that contract for 5 years. Something will happen before then. He will get cut, restructured, something.What's a realistic contract that Revis would sign in your opinion, that you would be happy with?
His NE contract was a 2 year deal that was really only a 1 year deal. His last Jets contract was a 4 year deal that was only 3 in reality.
What's a realistic contract that Revis would sign in your opinion, that you would be happy with?l
I can't see a scenario in which Revis comes here and makes less. Than 50 million being here at least 3 years
lI imagine that deal with new England was his version of a one year prove it deal so he could get a real bounty.
Why do you think he is going to sign a contract that locks him up for 3 years? He seems fine taking the risk of no future guarantees for upfront money. Give him his market value this year and deal with next year when it comes.
What's a realistic contract that Revis would sign in your opinion, that you would be happy with?
I can't see a scenario in which Revis comes here and makes less. Than 50 million being here at least 3 years
I imagine that deal with new England was his version of a one year prove it deal so he could get a real bounty.
With Tampa he was forced there in a trade
I'm not inventing I'm speculating on what he will get.
Revis has major name recognition and that is going to come at a significant premium. Plus any team that wants to pull him away from a superbowl contender is certainly going to pay a premium for that.
You don't need to be a genius to see that Revis is going to get substantially more than all the other corner options out there.
The money COMBINED with his age is the biggest issue. If Revis was 26 or turning 27 then wildly overpaying might not be the worst thing. But for a rebuilding team to pay an extreme premium for a guy over 30 just isn't wise.
Forget all my rampant speculation for a second and let me ask you this. Do you think Revis will earn substantially more than what the typical top corner does?
Richard Sherman, 26 years old didn't even get 12 freaking million a year after winning a superbowl . Yet the belief is Revis is going to be gunning for at least 16/year.
Regardless of how poorly presented and organized my argument is this simple fact remains . Revis is over 30 and will command substantially more money than any other corner in the league.
That is the crux of the problem
So answer my questions. Would you sign Revis for vet minimum, and if so what's the maximum you'd be prepared to give him?I wouldn't want Revis here for more than 12 million a year. 4,5, even 6 years I could care less.
I wouldn't want Revis here for more than 12 million a year. 4,5, even 6 years I could care less.
Over 12 million a year and I'd prefer us to get someone younger.
I think the value of McCourty and Cromartie would be vastly superior.
Around The NFL @AroundTheNFL 29m29 minutes ago
Report: Woody Johnson urging new GM to bring Revis back to Jets http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000475975/article/report-johnson-urging-gm-to-bring-revis-back-to-jets?campaign=Twitter_atl …
DCM we have so much freaking money available (and need to spend tons of it) I see no reason we can't sign all 3 and still have nough money to sign Randall Cobb, MoWilk, CJ spiller and 2 other low acquisition guys while praying to Jesus Donte Fowler slides to 6.
Note: I'm not saying this is my offseason plan, but we have the money to do it
$60 million in space this year if we cut Harvin. We have to spend (cash wise) something close to $141 million the next two seasons on average. If Revis and Cro are essentially two year deals that's literally perfect for what we need in terms of cash spending.
I'm sure that's what Tannenbaum said.
I'm not saying our GM should act like Idzik, but be shouldn't be Tanny either.
We have lots of needs. Wilkerson will eat up a chunk of cash, then we gotta beef up our offensive line, safety, cornerback, linebacker, receiver.
If Coples turns it on this year and Milliner comes back strong. We could owe them and Richardson a lot of money in the near future, while still having to replace Brick and Mangold soon
$60 million in space this year if we cut Harvin. We have to spend (cash wise) something close to $141 million the next two seasons on average. If Revis and Cro are essentially two year deals that's literally perfect for what we need in terms of cash spending.Figure 10 million will go to Wilkerson, 6 million on rookies, at least 10 million on some wide receiver (s) , at least 5 to 10 million on the OL. At least 5-10 million on snacks and Ellis (depending on if we keep both). Then we need at least two corners, safeties, and to replace Harris as well.
the difference between this and 5 years ago with those two is the length of the deals. That's higely different committing high salaries for 2 years as opposed to 5 or more (in terms of real deal length)
Figure 10-15 million will go to Wilkerson, 6 million on rookies, at least 10 million on some wide receiver (s) , at least 5 to 10 million on the OL. At least 5-10 million on snacks and Ellis (depending on if we keep both). Then we need at least two corners, safeties, and to replace Harris.
That 60 million could be gone in a freaking heartbeat.
Figure 10 million will go to Wilkerson, 6 million on rookies, at least 10 million on some wide receiver (s) , at least 5 to 10 million on the OL. At least 5-10 million on snacks and Ellis (depending on if we keep both). Then we need at least two corners, safeties, and to replace Harris as well.
That 60 million could be gone in a freaking heartbeat.
shut the freak upI'm just saying that money isn't going to fill all our needs and showing how easily 60m Is gone
Revis is a luxury purchase, and we're not in the position for such
How is an elite #1 CB a luxury? You don't have to answer this. I still want you to shut the freak up.It's not. The best corner in the game at a significant premium price is a luxury.
Figure 10 million will go to Wilkerson, 6 million on rookies, at least 10 million on some wide receiver (s) , at least 5 to 10 million on the OL. At least 5-10 million on snacks and Ellis (depending on if we keep both). Then we need at least two corners, safeties, and to replace Harris as well.
That 60 million could be gone in a freaking heartbeat.
Manish Mehta
Sources: Jets' Woody Johnson involved in serious internal discussions to make a push for Revis
I really hope this isn't a Woody driven thing.
I don't want Revis barring extremely reasonable pricing, but I REALLY don't want Revis if Bowles and Mac aren't 100% in favor of it
1. This was already posted.He just tweeted it like 20 minutes ago?
2. We already know you don't want Darrelle Revis.
3. Shut the freak up.
He just tweeted it like 20 minutes ago?He tweets his same articles 900 times to get clicks.
Though it was a link to the same article, so fair enough
Jets set to visit with former Rams DT Kendall Langford, as @nwagoner noted. Bowles, DC Kacy Rodgers know him from Miami Dolphins. #nyj
This should really shore up our lack of talent on the line.He'll get a job here after Rex signs Snacks based on our tender, signs Ellis, and TJ Barnes.
This should really shore up our lack of talent on the line.Him and Dockett
Dockett could potentially be a 3rd down option if you took Snacks off the field, but I doubt he'd want to settle for part time work.I mean he is 34
Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider 8m8 minutes ago
Chris Canty to visit New York Jets on Friday and Saturday
Sign all the defensive linemen!
Bringing this thread back to life. Please post tweets related to player acquisitions etc in their own threads, or Heismanberg will get mad again.
"did something happen?"
Yes? Oooh, here's a thread with the word "Jets" in it. I'll just leave this here......
What I did.
Bringing this thread back to life. Please post tweets related to player acquisitions etc in their own threads, or Heismanberg will get mad again.
I'm the one that kept freaking up this thread. I'm the Tommy of this thread.
I'm the one that kept freaking up this thread. I'm the Tommy of this thread.
@hwinkler4real
wat
Just kidding. Shots shots shots!
Bahahahaha Charlie Casserly is straight deepthroating the Jets offseason moves on NFLN
I just realized Puck follows Henry Winkler on twitter.Ayyyyyy
My dad just texted me a picture of his barbecue and said "All this Jets news makes me want to tailgate" but I read it as "Jews make me want to tailgate".
I just realized Puck follows Henry Winkler on twitter.
Well, that's technically not inaccurate. Ahem Puck.Hahaha
Let us never forget this gem!!!
http://www.styleforum.net/forums/posts/by_user/id/129178
hahahahahahaha
@Steiny31: Greg Salas was Brett Hundley's WR at his Pro Day. #nyj
Prolly lit the fuckin field up.
Let us never forget this gem!!!
http://www.styleforum.net/forums/posts/by_user/id/129178
Let us never forget this gem!!!
http://www.styleforum.net/forums/posts/by_user/id/129178
Hahahhaa. That's awesome.
Btw I love their shoes. Didn't know there was an Allen Edmonds forum.
I have a pair of Ecco shoes I bought a few months back. Very happy with em. They're probably not up to your gay cruise standards but I work in IT and wear jeans and a polo so they don't have to be
These if I'm not mistaken
http://us.shop.ecco.com/men-classics/ecco-seattle-apron-toe-slip-on-050304.html?dwvar_050304_color=00101#cgid=men-classics
I have a pair of Ecco shoes I bought a few months back. Very happy with em. They're probably not up to your gay cruise standards but I work in IT and wear jeans and a polo so they don't have to be
These if I'm not mistaken
http://us.shop.ecco.com/men-classics/ecco-seattle-apron-toe-slip-on-050304.html?dwvar_050304_color=00101#cgid=men-classics
What is this excrement, the Al Bundy shoe hour? GTFO.
@QuincyEnunwa: Excited doesn't even define what I am to have for the opportunity to watch Brandon Marshall go against the best in practice everyday. #RevisIsland
Mike Rodak @mikerodak 30m30 minutes ago
Rex Ryan said on @FAN590 that he tried to trade for Tyrod Taylor when he was with the Jets.
so Ryan really is retarded when it comes to QBs.
#rytard
His last two starting QBs wasn't proof enough for you?
His last two starting QBs wasn't proof enough for you?
Mike Rodak @mikerodak 30m30 minutes ago
Rex Ryan said on @FAN590 that he tried to trade for Tyrod Taylor when he was with the Jets.
Mentioned this in the Rex thread, but Tyrod is the best QB Rex has ever had. Not kidding either. I actually like Tyrod. He's not good, but he's better than Sanchez/Geno.
Tyrod Taylor hasn't thrown a TD pass in the NFL.Yeah, but he's only thrown 2 interceptions #dropsmic
He is not better than Mark Sanchez.
Matt Simms is a better NFL QB than Tyrod Taylor
Obi Wan Kenyrod
Hey hey now.
Don't sully Bolobi.
Kimberly Jones @KimJonesSports 5m5 minutes ago
Todd Bowles & Mike Maccagnan didn't know each other two months ago. Turns out, they're similar: bold, quick decision makers, want to win.
You started an epidemic.
Damien Woody @damienwoody 13m13 minutes ago
This defense could be a better defense than any that Rex has fielded….better personnel
Kimberly Jones @KimJonesSports 5m5 minutes ago
Todd Bowles & Mike Maccagnan didn't know each other two months ago. Turns out, they're similar: bold, quick decision makers, want to win.
Oh really? They want to win? Well thank fuckn God.
Dexter McDougle @Blasian_Kiddd 3m3 minutes ago
We're about to be too real, can't wait to learn from some greats ✈️ #JetUp #SavageSeasonComing #Grinding
Oh really? They want to win? Well thank fuckn God.
Well not if they start Geno.
Dexter McDougle @Blasian_Kiddd 3m3 minutes ago
We're about to be too real, can't wait to learn from some greats ✈️ #JetUp #SavageSeasonComing #Grinding
https://twitter.com/mowilkerson/status/576109158900051968
@MikeClayNFL: Eric Decker splits:
Geno Smith at QB: 67% C%, 10.0 YPA, 11.5 aDOT
Peyton Manning QB: 66%, 9.1 YPA, 11.5 aDOT
Interesting... #Jets
https://twitter.com/MaccagnanNYJ
Ok boys- where do we go from here over the next couple of days/weeks. Any further predictions, other than that DCM will continue to further alienate himself from everyone on this board?
Ok boys- where do we go from here over the next couple of days/weeks. Any further predictions, other than that DCM will continue to further alienate himself from everyone on this board?
Ok boys- where do we go from here over the next couple of days/weeks. Any further predictions, other than that DCM will continue to further alienate himself from everyone on this board?
Ok boys- where do we go from here over the next couple of days/weeks. Any further predictions, other than that DCM will continue to further alienate himself from everyone on this board?
Jet up?
Jet on up.
Jet on down.
No. No, that's not correct.Jet it out your derriere
Jet on up.
An online petition to bring back Ed Anzalone as the famed "Fireman Ed" just might be working.
Retired from his role as "Fireman Ed" for over two seasons, the "J-E-T-S" chant that Anzalone once led at the Meadowlands and at MetLife Stadium just hasn't been the same. Two years ago, the Jets tried incorporating the 'Aviators' drum corps into the chant with a certain amount of success, a move that kept the chant alive but maybe lacked the personal touch that Anzalone brought. Then last year, in a season where there wasn't much to cheer about, a different fan was picked by the Jets each game to lead the chant, a move that seemed to garner some more success in terms of fan interaction.
But no one can compare to Anzalone and his ability to whip up the fans. On Thursday, Metro New York broke the news about a website called BringBackEd.com which has launched a petition with the hope that Anzalone will come back.
On Sunday, in his first interview on the topic, Anzalone told Metro that he is still retired from the role. But when asked if he could return, he didn't squash the idea.
“I don't know. I told you the way I feel. Will I come back? I'd rather see someone else make that thing happen then me come back. I'd rather see them give a young guy a fair chance. If that thing needed my help, I'd help,” Anzalone told Metro. “If they needed my help I would try to help them in any way I can.”
There is no criticism from Anzalone towards the Jets organization, who he says tried to recruit him back last spring to reclaim his role with the team. A retired New York City fireman, Anzalone was prominently featured several times a game on the big screens at the stadium where his familiar fireman's hat and his passionate displays would lead to lusty chanting from fans.
Now, it is those same fans that are reaching out to him, asking this giant of a fan to come back ahead of a season of optimism.
“The fans will ultimately decide what is going on, not me. What the Jets did with that contest – they tried – but they tied the hands of those guys. They tried but they didn't do their best effort. They need to give them access. If I can help out in any way, if I can help out to make that experience what it used to be, I'd never turn my back on the Jets or the fans,” Anzalone said. “I can't live forever. Even if I came back for a short period of time, someone has to take over. I'm double-nickel, I'm 55 years old. They need a young guy in there, there are plenty of guys willing to do it but the Jets need to help them do it the right way.”
As of Sunday afternoon, after just four days online, there were nearly 1,800 signatures on the BringBackEd.com website, founded by Jason Koeppel. It was Koeppel and his friends who initiated the FireJohnIdzik.com movement that gained national attention in its successful push to oust the team's old general manager.
“I'm honored, people want you back," Anzalone said. "It's an emotional thing, no doubt about it. My love for that team will never die. I never will quit on that team. I won't quit on this team I love. I stopped being Fireman Ed. That was my choice. I started Fireman Ed and I ended Fireman Ed. That was my choice. Did I want to? No, of course not. Did I leave because we were losing to the Patriots? No.
“That was just one of many times during the years that we lost and got crushed. There were a lot of circumstances. When you go into the bathroom and get accosted, it might be time to go. That time, I couldn't say it but now I can. When it comes to the point that you have to worry about your family, your well-being, it might be the time to move on. That's the reality of it.
“My love has never stopped.”
Just as Anzalone doesn't sound like he's ready to slam the door on a possible return, the Jets as an organization sound open as well as they continue to try to keep the chant alive.
“The chant belongs to the fans and we will continue to be responsive when fans ask for our assistance in identifying chant leaders," a team spokesman said in a statement. "Fireman Ed has been big part of the Jets gameday experience for a number of years. He made a personal decision to step away that we have respected. He would be welcome if he decides to return.”
I really DGAF if it makes the stadium louder. Maybe next year they'll let people stand and cheer.
The stadium is a complete joke. Bring him back.The stadium is a joke either way.
Pretty sure he quit because people were heckling him for wearing a Mark Sanchez jersey
I don't see why everyone gets their panties wadded over this guy, let him come back.
People seem to invent reasons not to like him.
I seriously hate that dick face. That fat freak that wears the retard helmet is also terrible.Captain Jet smells like dog excrement up close, but you will never know.
The common complaints are he gets free tickets or he didn't invent the chant.
As to the first, good for him if the team gives him free tickets, that's awesome, as for the 2nd, who gives a rats derriere.
People seem to invent reasons not to like him.
On a related note the drum line is gayer than AIDS
Seriously, why do people care so goddamn much about some random dude who leads a chant
On a related note the drum line is gayer than AIDSYes. They should just get Fireman Ed's permission to show an old clip of him on the big screen doing the chant thing. Problem solved.
Seriously, why do people care so goddamn much about some random dude who leads a chant
i don't give a excrement either way
Ditto. I do think it's funny the petition was started by TGGers, though.There's a petition?
I think the people who hate him are jealous, TBH.
Ditto. I do think it's funny the petition was started by TGGers, though.
I think the people who hate him are jealous, TBH.
I'm bored. Why haven't we signed anyone in the last couple of days?They are still counting out Revis' money to him. He wanted it in singles.
They are still counting out Revis' money to him. He wanted it in singles.
I thought it was the FireIdzik people?
It is. They post on TGG.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/bring-back-fireman-ed.83690/
It is. They post on TGG.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/bring-back-fireman-ed.83690/
NFL Network @nflnetwork 13h13 hours ago"the Jets have a chance to make the playoffs"
"The @NYJets have a chance to be the best defense in the league."
WATCH: http://at.nfl.com/SOzYxFQ
Jason's numbers are probably more accurate as they take into account contracts as soon as they're signed, and on his numbers we're 17th:It was from the NFLPA report done yesterday. I'd imagine their numbers are the most accurate
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space
Did you even read your own link?Just this part
Rich Cimini
Random contract note: Antonio Cromartie's 4 yr/$32M deal with Jets includes only $7M gtd - $5M base + $2M roster bonus at signing. #nyj
8:38PM EDT
Rich Cimini
Random contract note: Antonio Cromartie's 4 yr/$32M deal with Jets includes only $7M gtd - $5M base + $2M roster bonus at signing. #nyj
8:38PM EDT
Per bart hubboch
Woody says he was impressed by Marcus Mariota's college career but says Geno Smith is "way ahead of him" in development.
If geno is way ahead, Mariota is fucked
I'm warming on the idea of taking Mariota, seeing as there is no chance of getting Winston.Barring an unexpected arrest or positive drug test, I wouldn't count on Mariota being available
Barring multiple major injuries this is a 8-8 team at worst with our current QB situation. Even if a great QB is coming out next year we will be in no position to draft him. This team should be competing for a wild card, if not the division, for the next 2-3 years before we see any major roster fluctuation. Mariota might be the last chance we have at drafting a potential franchise QB for a few years.
Obviously we might get lucky outside of a top 10 pick, but that is pretty damn rare.
Barring an unexpected arrest or positive drug test, I wouldn't count on Mariota being available
Certainly not counting on it, but (not that I put a ton of stock in them) all 6 mock drafts on nfl.com have him going at 6 or later. 2 have us drafting him, 1 has us trading the 6 to the Browns so they can draft him. The other 3?
13 - Saints
7 - Bears
12 - Browns
I will be shocked if the board doesn't fall Winston - Williams - Fowler - White - Gregory. This assumes there are no trades. I suppose the Jags are a wildcard, and if they take Mariota, the Skins take Fowler and we take Cooper instead.
Now if someone offers a package including their first round pick in 2016, we would have the ammo to trade up to get a QB next year, but that's an entirely different story.
FWIW, Ken Whisenhunt just said Mariota would be a day 1 starter for the Titans if they were to draft him. He either wants him or wants someone to trade up to their spot.
If he doesn't go to the Titans, I want Cleveland's two 1st rounders.
He's definitely blowing smoke. Even if they did draft him, they would be retarded to start him day 1. That team needs a ton of help. Either take the best defensive (hell, overall) player in the draft or trade out of the spot to fill multiple holes.
FWIW, Ken Whisenhunt just said Mariota would be a day 1 starter for the Titans if they were to draft him. He either wants him or wants someone to trade up to their spot.
I would rather have this years 1 and 2, and next years 1.
If there's anything I've learned over the years of following the NFL, it's that just because something is stupid doesn't mean someone won't do it.
I forget the GM's name, but there was one guy who told the whole league exactly what he was going to do every year, and no one believed him. Every year he'd say "I'm taking this guy if he's available." And he did.
Ian RapoportVerified account
@RapSheet
Tight end Kellen Davis, most recently of the #Lions, took a visit to the #Jets
FWIW, Ken Whisenhunt just said Mariota would be a day 1 starter for the Titans if they were to draft him. He either wants him or wants someone to trade up to their spot.
I thought he was saying if you take a QB at two (the question was about Mariota so it's assumed that's what he meant) the guy is going to start pretty damn soon, otherwise you wouldn't have been confident taking him at 2.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/new-york-jets-prom-proposal-032515?adbsc=social_20150325_42691326&adbid=877749292263212&adbpl=fb&adbpr=749212008450275It would be so funny if she winds up murdering him, Carrie style.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/new-york-jets-prom-proposal-032515?adbsc=social_20150325_42691326&adbid=877749292263212&adbpl=fb&adbpr=749212008450275
It would be so funny if she winds up murdering him, Carrie style.
sounds like a keeper to me
That reminds me, I need to watch The Loved Ones.
According to her twitter account, they are just friends.
Oof.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/new-york-jets-prom-proposal-032515?adbsc=social_20150325_42691326&adbid=877749292263212&adbpl=fb&adbpr=749212008450275
This kid used to be friends with my younger sister... He's slightly autistic and his family has used his autism as a way to baby him and pretty much get him whatever he wants- he's met Derek Jeter on multiple occasions and Im pretty sure many other sports stars. When he went to high school he became "friends" with more popular kids, which seemed like a joke in their eyes from my understanding. Im fairly certain that this "promposal" was done out of pity rather than good will and that the girl basically just asked the Jets something along the lines of "this kid is really autistic can you do this for me". I mean it worked for her- she's going to be on good morning america and its all over the news on long island.Rofl
This may sound extremely cynical on my behalf, but the story isnt as heart warming as it seems from my understanding. The Jets did a nice job though. Good pub for them
This kid used to be friends with my younger sister... He's slightly autistic and his family has used his autism as a way to baby him and pretty much get him whatever he wants- he's met Derek Jeter on multiple occasions and Im pretty sure many other sports stars. When he went to high school he became "friends" with more popular kids, which seemed like a joke in their eyes from my understanding. Im fairly certain that this "promposal" was done out of pity rather than good will and that the girl basically just asked the Jets something along the lines of "this kid is really autistic can you do this for me". I mean it worked for her- she's going to be on good morning america and its all over the news on long island.
Not bad looking at all. Going to UB too.
Ew. Also, she's what? 16?She should give Sanchez a call in a year
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Ew. Also, she's what? 16?
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That looks like an older picture, there are some better ones. She's already accepted to UB, so she's most likely 17 or 18.
How many pics have you looked at lol
But what can he taste?
whale semen.
Clyde Gates is faster.
I don't care what the 40 times say, Gates is faster under the eye test. Hill never, ever gets any separation,
Stopped reading here.
Does my memory fail me? My abiding recollection of Stephen Hill is of him constantly under the wing of whatever scrub corner the opposition had arbitrarily assigned him that week.
I remember Stephen Hill jogging back to the huddle from 30 yards out because our QB threw the ball at someone else's feet.
I remember Stephen Hill being 6'4", yet playing like he was 5'2". Never able to compete for high balls.
I don't remember seeing Hill having any opportunities for jump balls.
Sadly, I do. I was watching it in a bar with my friend who is variously a Green Bay and New England fan (don't ask), and off the back of that performance I made him a drunken bet that Hill would catch 10 TDs that season. Cost me a good bottle of rum.
http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/12864/wide-receiver-stephen-hill-could-be-ready-to-shine-for-panthers-in-2015
http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/12864/wide-receiver-stephen-hill-could-be-ready-to-shine-for-panthers-in-2015
Ron Rivera: WR development guru
You made a bet with the guy who makes dcm look like a Rhodes Scholar?
Correct, although he's a good guy and he's nothing like dcm. He's a Canadian sports fan who never found a reason to choose any particular NFL team, so he tends to gravitate towards the ones he enjoys watching. And let's be honest, teams like the Jets are often not enjoyable to watch.
Paulz. Farcebook. He has an account called Paulz with a Z Farcebook. There is nothing you can say that overcomes that.
Brian CostelloDepf.
Sacramento Bee reports former Vikings LB Erin Henderson will visit the Jets #nyj
9:40AM EDT
I don't want a girl on this teamHaha
DCM mode engaged:
Can we get his brother 5 years ago instead?
Can we get his brother 5 years ago instead?
God dammit. Fell for that excrement.
He's got about as much chance of catching ebola in Uganda as I have of catching AIDS from you, given he's probably about the same distance away from the outbreak as I am from you.
I am seriously going to catch aids from your post.
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 15m15 minutes ago
Jace Amaro: #Jets had "an issue" last yr with lateness. "Guys just weren't accountable last yr as much as they could be."
Jace can tell time?No. He just stayed there until the next day to make sure.
No. He just stayed there until the next day to make sure.
No. He just stayed there until the next day to make sure.
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 15m15 minutes ago
Jace Amaro: #Jets had "an issue" last yr with lateness. "Guys just weren't accountable last yr as much as they could be."
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 15m15 minutes ago
Jace Amaro: #Jets had "an issue" last yr with lateness. "Guys just weren't accountable last yr as much as they could be."
Jace Amaro @J_ACER22 15h15 hours ago
Haven't been this excited about a coaching staff since @TTUKingsbury took over at Texas Tech. This is going to be fun
Well it was like it looked, Rex wore out his welcome and his act was tiresome. That happens after 6 years.
and Buffalo fans will feel the same in time.
Rex's confidence in his players and team is refreshing at first, but hearing the same old lines and not producing results gets real old.
Losing Pettine was big, although the guy was a gigantic douche, he was more the taskmaster and kept the players in line. I honestly do not think Rex is capable of coaxing disciplined play out of his team, nor the rest of his staff, short of Dunbar and a few other assistants.
Losing Pettine was big, although the guy was a gigantic douche, he was more the taskmaster and kept the players in line. I honestly do not think Rex is capable of coaxing disciplined play out of his team, nor the rest of his staff, short of Dunbar and a few other assistants.
Pettine was a snake with the unnamed sources to the media. Maybe he felt he was slighted by Rex. Here in Ohio, Browns fans really seem to like Pettine's approach handling the players.
I was admittedly a #KeepRex guy, but he let things get completely out of control.
The only thing I wonder is whether he just threw his hands in the air and said "F this" when it became clear that Idzik was sabotaging him. I'm not excusing Rex--he was still responsible to do his job--but I'm curious whether he stopped caring when it became clear he was being pushed out.
I really don't think he ever cared about what his players were doing when it came to stuff like this.
He wants to come off as this extremely likable, "players" coach.
Well, he certainly succeeded there. And somehow it didn't even ruin his career.
It didn't ruin his career but he could have been a whole lot more successful if he adapted and improved.
I was admittedly a #KeepRex guy, but he let things get completely out of control.
The only thing I wonder is whether he just threw his hands in the air and said "F this" when it became clear that Idzik was sabotaging him. I'm not excusing Rex--he was still responsible to do his job--but I'm curious whether he stopped caring when it became clear he was being pushed out.
Are we still bringing up Idzik's dastardly scheme?When it's pertinent to the topic, yes.
I like this new strategy of throwing as much excrement against the wall as possible in the hopes that something sticks.I just wonder how they are going to have enough reps to go around to figure it out.
I just wonder how they are going to have enough reps to go around to figure it out.Everyone who isn't getting reps will be doing tough mudders to condition for the season
Superbowl?
Rich Cimini retweeted
Adam Caplan @caplannfl 2m2 minutes ago
The #Jets are expected to sign veteran ILB Joe Mays, per sources. He's expected to sign by early next week.
Throw him on the ILB pile!Speaking of the ILB pile it's kind of surprising we didn't take a long look at Brandon Spikes, considering our interest at linebackers.
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Speaking of the ILB pile it's kind of surprising we didn't take a long look at Brandon Spikes, considering our interest at linebackers.
And the fact that Pepper Johnson coached him on both the Bills and Patriots
Speaking of the ILB pile it's kind of surprising we didn't take a long look at Brandon Spikes, considering our interest at linebackers.
And the fact that Pepper Johnson coached him on both the Bills and Patriots
Or perhaps that last point is why we didn't sign him.
I would love to have Bob Wischusen call a play by play of my morning dump.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 2m2 minutes ago
On ESPN call, Jon Gruden says he sees signs of progress from Geno Smith and would be surprised if Jets pull the plug on him #nyj
Free agent DT Brandon Deaderick worked out for the Jets.
Deaderick appeared in 13 games (two starts) with the Saints last year. He was a major part of their run defense struggles, grading out negatively by PFF across 344 snaps. 27-year-old Deaderick should resurface on a minimum contract.
And stuff
How many DL would that be? It sure does seem like they are Hedging.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 21s22 seconds ago
Team that’s been on the phone the most? The #Jets. Potential trade up. Potential trade down. Exploring all options, burning call minutes
no
freak this thread
What's wrong?
This thread is just a lazy piece of a excrement.
Jets waived LB Mario Harvey.
Harvey signed a reserve/futures deal in January. He appeared in 25 games with the Colts from 2012-14. Getting waived at this stage of the offseason suggests Harvey doesn't have much of an NFL future.
Never forget
excrement like this is why this thread exists. Well done for reminding us, dcm.
in before JE says pot is for children
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Ex-@nyjets wide receiver Braylon Edwards arrested for DUI in Arizona: report. http://nydn.us/1G38bBX
"He coulda killt somebody!!" - Tankcessa circa 2010
I hated that he would bring in family members of victims of drunk driving accidents for interviews.
Ex-@nyjets wide receiver Braylon Edwards arrested for DUI in Arizona: report. http://nydn.us/1G38bBX
"He coulda killt somebody!!" - Tankcessa circa 2010
DUIs are for morons.
Yo I'm a beast at drunk driving
This doesn't make any sense:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/politics-of-the-nfl-keeping-matt-simms-from-getting-a-shot-brother-chris-simms-says-1.10430695
If he was the best man for the job, he'd have the job.
Is this why Chris Simms sucked too?
Injuries, spleen removal, and awful teams didn't help his cause. He was a MUCH better prospect coming out of college though.
This doesn't make any sense:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/politics-of-the-nfl-keeping-matt-simms-from-getting-a-shot-brother-chris-simms-says-1.10430695
If he was the best man for the job, he'd have the job.
So he hasn't yet proven himself.
"[Matt] hasn't proven himself to be an NFL starter or anything like that, but every opportunity he's gotten, whether it's the preseason or even coming up in mop-up duty in the regular season, he's done very well and taken advantage of those chances. . . . I truly believe if his last name was not Simms, teams would be wanting him to be their backup quarterback."
...enough to be a backup QB. Chris is arguing that his brother hasn't gotten a reasonable shot at being a second-string QB in the NFL.Yet Michael Vick was easily able to get starting jobs after coming out of prison for being the leader of an animal murdering ring. But nobody would want Simms to play QB because of his name
It's funny bordering on tragically depressing.
TJ Graham did an AMA, nothing groundbreaking/worth its own thread but he seems like a decent guy https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/35zreq/i_am_nfl_wide_receiver_for_the_new_york_jets_tj/
I hardly watched any games last season so couldn't say either way except that for some reason I keep hearing that he's been disappointing. What do we really expect out of a rookie TE anyway?
post that excrement in the right thread, dcm
I hardly watched any games last season so couldn't say either way except that for some reason I keep hearing that he's been disappointing. What do we really expect out of a rookie TE anyway?
I'm actually hanging out with one of his former teammates at nc state.Who?
Who?
Kid named Calvin. Don't know his last name. Linebacker. Wasn't a starter though.
Yep that's him. Cool dude.
Did you buy him a lap dance?
He says Philip Rivers is one of the only big name alumni who's never been back to the school for ceremonies etc, and hasn't donated to the school either. Apparently he's a giant piece of excrement and no one at the school likes him anymore.
He says Philip Rivers is one of the only big name alumni
Fyp.
Hey he says Russell Wilson has been really good with that.
Sounds to me like he's full of excrement
He says Philip Rivers is one of the only big name alumni who's never been back to the school for ceremonies etc, and hasn't donated to the school either. Apparently he's a giant piece of excrement and no one at the school likes him anymore.
He says Philip Rivers is one of the only big name alumni who's never been back to the school for ceremonies etc, and hasn't donated to the school either.
Did you buy him a lap dance?
Nah he left before that. Was with his gf.
I like that there's a jokey kind of assumption that every night out with Tommy ends at a strip club, followed immediately by confirmation that it's true.
It's really only if I'm out with a bunch of dudes, and if we make it to the end of the night. Just happened twice in the last week because it was a buddy's bday.
So when you and your buddies aren't able to pick up any women during the night, you all feel a need to go pay women to actually show you their funbags? Nothing about that screams a lack of heterosexual confidence. Nope. None of it.
If Philip Rivers sets foot in Raleigh ever again, everyone important at that school will be on his dick.
He probably has more important excrement to do.
So when you and your buddies aren't able to pick up any women during the night, you all feel a need to go pay women to actually show you their funbags? Nothing about that screams a lack of heterosexual confidence. Nope. None of it.
ProCamps @ProCamps 1h1 hour agoI saw the words release and Geno Smith in the same sentence on my Tapatalk headline
News Release: Geno Smith Announces @NM_News Football @ProCamps in Boonton, NJ! Sign up 2day at http://GenoSmithCamp.com
Great opportunity for kids aspiring to play football to learn the fundamentals of making poor decisions, throwing the ball into triple coverage, and running out of bounds for a loss of yards.
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/601108831532425216While I'm encouraged as well, I don't expect the New York Jets twitter account to tweet out anything negative.
@nyjets: Rodgers on the defensive system: "It’s real simple, it's real cut and dry. Once you get it, it enables you the ability to play fast."
YEEESSS. This is good.
Mike Sando, NFL Insider
The best offseason work assures nothing in the NFL, as Tampa Bay and a few other teams proved again last offseason. But we can still evaluate the jobs teams have done in addressing their roster needs through free agency, trades and the draft, with an eye toward how moves affect outlooks in the short and long terms.
To that end, I've enlisted ESPN analysts Bill Polian, Louis Riddick, Matt Williamson and Field Yates, quoting each extensively in our 2015 NFL offseason grades. I also took into account Mel Kiper's draft grades for every team.
Here are offseason grades for all 32 NFL teams:
New York Jets: A
Re-signed: DE Leger Douzable, LB David Harris, LS Tanner Purdum, OL Ben Ijajana, OL Willie Colon, RB Bilal Powell
Veteran additions: CB Antonio Cromartie, CB Buster Skrine, CB Darrelle Revis, ILB Jamari Lattimore, OT James Brewer, OG James Carpenter, TE Kellen Davis, DT Kevin Vickerson, S Marcus Gilchrist, DE Stephen Bowen, RB Stevan Ridley, QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, WR Brandon Marshall, LB Erin Henderson, LB Joe Mays, WR DeVier Posey, RB Zac Stacy
Veteran subtractions: S Dawan Landry, WR Greg Salas, DE Jermaine Cunningham, FB John Conner, DT Kenrick Ellis, CB Kyle Wilson, QB Michael Vick, ILB Nick Bellore, WR Percy Harvin, CB Phillip Adams, TE Chris Pantale, FB Mario Harvey
Draft picks: 1-Leonard Williams (DE), 2-Devin Smith (WR), 3-Lorenzo Mauldin (LB), 4-Bryce Petty (QB), 5-Jarvis Harrison (G), 7-Deon Simon (DT)
Analysis: The Jets commanded the only A grade overall and the only A-plus from an individual voter. Riddick liked their moves that much. He worked with Todd Bowles in Philadelphia and he believes in the Jets' new head coach, calling him a "dynamite" hire. Adding Revis in free agency, Marshall by trade and a luxury first-round choice in Williams separated the Jets.
"It is hard to find a fault with anything they did from coaching to free agency to the draft," Riddick said. "It is all about the QB. Can Chan Gailey get Geno Smith to not be the cause of losing games?"
Polian said the football gods smiled on the Jets when Revis became available and New York was able to sign him away from its top division rival.
"Defensively, there may not be many teams better," Polian said. "You just cannot waste a defense like that with a quarterback who turns it over. The question is, does Geno all of a sudden become a quarterback? Or does it have to be Fitzpatrick?"
Fitzpatrick headed my list of value signings in free agency based mostly on a statistical profile suggesting he has been better than his reputation suggests. Tennessee was certainly worse off without him, and it's fair to wonder if Houston upgraded by swapping out Fitzpatrick for Brian Hoyer. Fitzpatrick has generally been associated with horrible defenses (since 2010, only Tony Romo has gotten less defensive support among players with at least 40 starts).
"Fitzpatrick is not good, but he is a major upgrade," Williamson said.
Someone show junc that stat about how little defensive support Fitz has had.
Someone show junc that stat about how little defensive support Fitz has had.
It won't matter.
it won't, I don't take blurbs out of context as gospel. I have seen Fitz come up small far too often in the bigger games for his teams to know better.
we know...you prefer fan blogs.
the point was made, it was a long time ago and I couldn't find direct links at first but I posted them eventually. Stop hanging onto a meaningless point, it didn't help your lack of an argument.
the point made was that your sources are garbage.
I posted a direct quote from the NY Times. Deflect all you want from that w/ the bleacher report links, it doesn't help your weak argument.
Your defense of Terry Bradway is just as retarded today as it was a few days ago.
that is quite the argument. you win
common sense always wins, junc. You never stood a chance.
haha, the average fan always "wins" on these debates. the ONE w/ common football sense always gets ganged up on but I have a good feeling that one person can handle it ;D
what about below average fans like yourself... where do they fit in? ;)I don't fit in, I'm a misfit.
Pretty good article on the PenguinMaybe we should give Idzik Bradaways job. He might be onto something
http://nyjdraftcentral.com/2015/05/new-york-jets-2015-breakout-star-ik-enemkpali/
I'm hoping he can find some snaps at ILB as well. He's just too short to be a true edge rusher. His quickness and awareness could be very useful on the inside.
Elvis Dumerville called and said you're an idiot. James Harrison was also with him and said he's going to eat you.
Well I found this weird...
Nfl.com saying the Jets (and bills) are of the most talented teams in the league
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000493967/article/seahawks-jets-and-eagles-among-nfls-most-talented-teams
*Bucky Brooks sayingWhat's Captain America got to do with this
Bucky's on a Jets love in right now.Now maybe I'm wrong on this. But I think our defensive line is a lot lot freaking scarier than our cornerbacks.
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000494302/nfls-scariest-position-groups-ranking-the-top-10
Now maybe I'm wrong on this.
Always stop here.
Average games lost?
That's an interesting stat, taking into account that our whole secondary went to shreds after a couple of games last season. Are they really counting that?There's no perfect way to measure injuries, but the Jets have been relatively lucky when it comes to injuries over the last 2 seasons. Even the ones you would call the biggest injuries are still guys like Mark Sanchez, Dee Milliner and Brian Winters, not exactly superstars.
There's no perfect way to measure injuries, but the Jets have been relatively lucky when it comes to injuries over the last 2 seasons. Even the ones you would call the biggest injuries are still guys like Mark Sanchez, Dee Milliner and Brian Winters, not exactly superstars.
There's no perfect way to measure injuries, but the Jets have been relatively lucky when it comes to injuries over the last 2 seasons. Even the ones you would call the biggest injuries are still guys like Mark Sanchez, Dee Milliner and Brian Winters, not exactly superstars.
Sanchez was probably going to be the starter that year, but the only thing it really did was rush Geno's development. Odds are neither Sanchez or Smith was ever going to be a long-term option.
Sanchez getting hurt was huge
And had tremendous consequences for this franchise
Sanchez was probably going to be the starter that year, but the only thing it really did was rush Geno's development. Odds are neither Sanchez or Smith was ever going to be a long-term option.Sanchez not getting hurt could have resulted in him still being a jet today and significantly changing Genos career.
No way Sanchez would still be the QBIf he played well enough to get an extension, and Geno was his competition he damn well could be.
His extension was a terrible decision. It was basically our organization's apology for courting Peyton Manning. Once his all decade OL and elite defense weakened Sanchez was shown for what he was, a stupid QB with a penchant for turning the ball over.
Still not as bad of a decision as drafting Geno. All the extension did was keep him here as long as his original rookie deal would have. The team fucked up by taking a shitty 2013 QB and not waiting for 2014.Not sure how you can argue the extension didn't hurt the team. It hamstrung us to Sanchez in 2013. And if the Jets wanted to draft another QB in 2014, they certainly could have, regardless of Geno.
The extension didn't hurt the team much at all.
Not sure how you can argue the extension didn't hurt the team. It hamstrung us to Sanchez in 2013. And if the Jets wanted to draft another QB in 2014, they certainly could have, regardless of Geno.
Not sure how you can argue the extension didn't hurt the team. It hamstrung us to Sanchez in 2013. And if the Jets wanted to draft another QB in 2014, they certainly could have, regardless of Geno.
How was being stuck with Sanchez in 2013 a bad thing?How was it a good thing for that salary? He was atrocious in 2012, and we couldn't get out of his contract if we wanted to. Without the extension, we could have.
I've criticized Sanchez when it was deserved. The team made much bigger mistakes surrounding him.You make fun of this argument when it's used on Geno. But Geno has never had a skill group nearly as talented as the 2010 or even 2009 groups.
I've criticized Sanchez when it was deserved. The team made much bigger mistakes surrounding him.
Geno sucks no matter who's around him.
How was it a good thing for that salary? He was atrocious in 2012, and we couldn't get out of his contract if we wanted to. Without the extension, we could have.
I don't even think it was that bad of a gamble. He was going to start in 2012 pretty much all year, you were just gambling that you wouldn't regret guaranteeing his 2013 salary. Unfortunately, that's exactly what ended up happening.
You make fun of this argument when it's used on Geno. But Geno has never had a skill group nearly as talented as the 2010 or even 2009 groups.
See, I hate this line of thinking. Geno sucks no matter who's around him. Sanchez only sucks with shitty talent around him. Yet only one QB has ever had good talent around him.
Can't blame that one on the conditioning coach though.
See, I hate this line of thinking. Geno sucks no matter who's around him. Sanchez only sucks with shitty talent around him. Yet only one QB has ever had good talent around him.
Sanchez's first 2 years = 4 Playoff WinsSanchez had a top 3 defense and the best OL in the league
Geno's first 2 years = steaming pile of dog excrement
Case Closed
Sanchez had a top 3 defense and the best OL in the league
Sanchez had a top 3 defense and the best OL in the league
@BrianCoz: One thing I noticed at Jets building recently is "Teamwork" painted over where it used to say "Play Like a Jet." That slogan is history.
That slogan was corny as hell from the beginning.
We just signed WR Jonathon Rump, whomever that is...
Jonathon Rumph from University of Georgia
He never really lived up this the hype he received coming out of JUCO
What's JUCO?
What's JUCO?Jewish underwear crapping office
Jewish underwear crapping office
"Play Like A Bill!!"Play Like an poopchute!
MB should get that tattooed on his arm.
"Play Like A Bill!!"
Don't forget...."Play like a Brown!"
I'm glad we dropped it. I don't want them to play like Jets any more, I want them to play like Packers or Seahawks.
freak that. Why settle for mediocrity?I wouldn't call a final 4 team mediocre, I hope we have the chance to make a SB again soon.
I wouldn't call a final 4 team mediocre, I hope we have the chance to make a SB again soon.What about a team that couldn't even win it's own division?
What about a team that couldn't even win it's own division?
unfortunately we have the best QB of this generation(maybe best of all time) and possibly greatest dynasty ever in our division but give me 2 chances to play for AFC title over div title w/ one and done like NE had those 2 years any day.
unfortunately we have the best QB of this generation(maybe best of all time) and possibly greatest dynasty ever in our division but give me 2 chances to play for AFC title over div title w/ one and done like NE had those 2 years any day.The better answer would've been we couldn't keep pace with a team that's cheating
The better answer would've been we couldn't keep pace with a team that's cheating
I think it's a little early to be anointing Tannehill just yet.
when you remove your head that is buried in the sand let me know. ALL teams try to bend the rules, NE has been successful w/ it, congrats to them.
They got caught twice, so no they haven't.
when you remove your head that is buried in the sand let me know. ALL teams try to bend the rules, NE has been successful w/ it, congrats to them.Not this excrement again
Not this excrement again
It's reality, are they taking away any of the SBs? any of the div titles? any of the million times they beat us? so what's the point in whining about cheating? it's not going to change anything, they did it, won w/ it and have been caught. Others do it and they don't win and don't get caught. Unless they are taking away SBs I don't really care, it's not that big of a deal to me.You are wrong
You are wrong
You can believe what you want to believe.
Especially when he makes such convincing arguments like "no" and "you're wrong".I don't like to waste energy on dumbshit opinions
freak that. Why settle for mediocrity?
Good thing we built our new administration with hires from Houston and Arizona, perennial powerhouses.But ron wolf and charlie Casserly promised *whining*
I don't like to waste energy on dumbshit opinions
So you spend it as an administrator on a message board. Makes sense.You're welcome.
Good thing we built our new administration with hires from Houston and Arizona, perennial powerhouses.We got rid of the scrub from Seattle so we're good
Adam SchefterVerified account
@AdamSchefter Jets notified season-ticket holders they will use "variable pricing" to "better reflect the value of and expected demand for each game."
So glad I dropped off the list and went secondary market.
Sounds like a way to keep the excrement games at standard cost but inflate primetime/division/marquee to the big bucks
Joe Beningo and Evan Roberts interviewing Todd Bowles at the Boomer and Carton charity softball game at Yankee stadium for the slain NYC police officers.
Joe and Evan: You look like you could play right now, at linebacker, if Demario Davis or David Harris get hurt you can step right in.
Bowles: I can give you one play, 3rd and 30, put me at deep safety and I'll make a play.
Joe Beningo and Evan Roberts interviewing Todd Bowles at the Boomer and Carton charity softball game at Yankee stadium for the slain NYC police officers.
Joe and Evan: You look like you could play right now, at linebacker, if Demario Davis or David Harris get hurt you can step right in.
Bowles: I can give you one play, 3rd and 30, put me at deep safety and I'll make a play.
From: @BigDame900
Sent: Jun 5, 2015 4:53p
Soooo @Revis24 me and @QueCeasar came up with the conclusion that I am a better Cornerback than u are...#ThatIsAll #SnacksIsland
From: @BigDame900
Sent: Jun 5, 2015 4:55p
I AM the BEST Cornerback in the NFL..according to madden I tackle better, better power moves, and play recognition than most corners lol
Who would have more success, Snacks at corner or Revis at nose? Snacks could at least jam a receiver, I can't think of anything that Revis could do in the centre of the DL.
The smaller player would be better at nose, because you could at least move him around.
Snacks wouldn't be able to get his hands on an NFL receiver.
It would be funny to watch. D-line in the secondary, secondary along the d-line. Just one time in a game, that's all I ask. Maybe in a blowout.
It would be funny to watch. D-line in the secondary, secondary along the d-line. Just one time in a game, that's all I ask. Maybe in a blowout.
Do you want to get someone hurt? Because that seems like a good way to get someone hurt.
LaCanfora on Twitter: Jets fans. Have no fear. You have the most punk rock front office in NFL history. Trust me. They know what time it isas long as it's not Tebow time ever again...
I'm guessing that he's drunk.
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LaCanfora on Twitter: Jets fans. Have no fear. You have the most punk rock front office in NFL history. Trust me. They know what time it is
I'm guessing that he's drunk.
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Funny but I don't get the Target joke.
Funny but I don't get the Target joke.
Kellen Winslow Jr. @KellenWinslowJr 2h2 hours ago
Cromartie is one of the biggest posers i have ever seen and played against. Prolly the last guy I would take down an alley with me. #NFL
It was Brandon Marshall's day to talk at Jets minicamp, and that's always a treat. Marshall was asked Wednesday to talk about his relationship with fellow wide receiver Eric Decker.
"Alshon?" Marshall asked.
"Decker," the questioner clarified.
"Jeffery?"
"Eric Decker."
"Oh, Alshon."
Funny but I don't get the Target joke.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jets-tight-end-kellen-winslow-accused-masturbating-target-152800579--nfl.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jets-tight-end-kellen-winslow-accused-masturbating-target-152800579--nfl.html
Bowles is rocking some sweet new era jets hats at pressers this week.They finally started selling these hats and I got mine in the mail today. The one in the 2nd pic, although mine is the standard green/white, Bowles's is cooler.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/09/8d7b3c0334791db0f82ba392c857a6de.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/09/9b3127a522cd9beb6c2019237d752bd9.jpg)
They finally started selling these hats and I got mine in the mail today. The one in the 2nd pic, although mine is the standard green/white, Bowles's is cooler.
They finally started selling these hats and I got mine in the mail today. The one in the 2nd pic, although mine is the standard green/white, Bowles's is cooler.
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 59s60 seconds agoAbout time the Jets get to the Whitehouse
Jets owner @WoodyJohnson4 will be the national finance chairman for former Florida governor Jeb Bush's presidential campaign. #nyj
#TeamJeb
Nick mangold playing fast money on celebrity family feud after the commercial break. On abc.
Andy Dalton?
Andy Dalton is terrible. I watched a bunch of Bengal games last year and he was absolutely painful to watch. It is early to put him on a list like that, but he's a guy who could lose his job at any time and it wouldn't surprise me.
You want to know how desperately we need football back? This is a story. (http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-9/Darrelle-Revis-Mom-Makes-a-Big-Handoff/1639d09e-0faa-45f9-899b-eb504a8e3b29)
Good job NFL.com
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Why is Sheldon Richardson name Muhammad Wilkerson and drawn up like Dewayne Robertson?
Jets are #2 on the NFL.com pain rankings.
Jets are #2 on the NFL.com pain rankings.
It's written by a Jets fan and it's stupid. There are plenty of teams who have had it way worse than the Jets over their history.
Were the rankings decided by just one guy who's a Jets fan? I didn't read any of the articles for the rankings, I just saw it on the main page.
It's written by a Jets fan and it's stupid. There are plenty of teams who have had it way worse than the Jets over their history.
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Won this signed ball: Decker, Marshall, Fitzpatrick, Ivory at a charity golf outing yesterday for a fallen marine. I donated it to the family but snapped a pic.
Look at Pope classin' it up
(http://imgur.com/Qh7XOjn.jpg)
Won this signed ball: Decker, Marshall, Fitzpatrick, Ivory at a charity golf outing yesterday for a fallen marine. I donated it to the family but snapped a pic.
(http://imgur.com/Qh7XOjn.jpg)
Won this signed ball: Decker, Marshall, Fitzpatrick, Ivory at a charity golf outing yesterday for a fallen marine. I donated it to the family but snapped a pic.
Look at Pope classin' it up
He's practically a Giants fan.
(http://imgur.com/Qh7XOjn.jpg)
Won this signed ball: Decker, Marshall, Fitzpatrick, Ivory at a charity golf outing yesterday for a fallen marine. I donated it to the family but snapped a pic.
I hate the media, "da Jets r a sirkus mang":
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/08/31/are-the-jets-redskins-or-49ers-the-early-favorite-to-be-nfls-most-dysfunctional-team-of-2015/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/08/31/are-the-jets-redskins-or-49ers-the-early-favorite-to-be-nfls-most-dysfunctional-team-of-2015/)
"would-be franchise quarterback"
Geno Smith stinks
"would-be franchise quarterback"
Geno Smith stinks
I hate how he suddenly became a star when he was punched.
Just wondering if I'm the only one who reads the title as "Miss a Lahn E AH"
As opposed to what?
NY Jets excrement
I hate how he suddenly became a star when he was punched.Gotta fit the narrative!
Gotta fit the narrative!
That said, while the circus thing is so annoying, we earned some of it this season with Sheldon and Geno.
Most teams have something. We don't have our QB in federal court or a guy with nine fingers.
Bowles on Enunwa as a hybrid WR/TE: He's kind of a tweener. It gives the opposition a problem. Kind of an interesting guy.
DCs will scratch their heads trying to decide if a CB or LB is better suited to watching him drop passes.Dude, where are you seeing all this video of him being so terrible? I know Idzik drafted him and all, but at least he's just unproven at this point.
Dude, where are you seeing all this video of him being so terrible? I know Idzik drafted him and all, but at least he's just unproven at this point.
Quincy Enunwa leaves meat on his chicken wings.Quincy Enunwa puts ice cream back in the freezer with one spoonful left.
Quincy Enunwa puts ice cream back in the freezer with one spoonful left.
Quincy Enunwa plants hairs at the bottom of his chicken and riblets platter just to avoid paying for the meal after he's nearly finished.
Quincy Enunwa thinks Rex would have turned it around.
So Quincy Enunwa is either Badger or Italian Seafood.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 1m1 minute ago
Willie Colon is officially the starting right guard #nyj
Eric Allen @eallenjets · 1m1 minute ago
The Jets today placed tight end Jace Amaro and DE Kevin Vickerson on injured reserve and have waived/injured cornerback Dashaun Phillips.
This is not NYJ Miscellanea and Heismanberg will be mad at you.
freak him. Doesn't like me anyway.
Holy freak losing Amaro sucks
Where's Sudfeld
That's not saying much, nobody does. lol
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According to ESPN Jets reporter Rich Cimini, the team is "smitten" with second-year WR Quincy Enunwa.
Coach Todd Bowles called the 2014 sixth-round pick a "tweener" due to his 6'2/225 size and above-average blocking skills for a receiver. With Jace Amaro (shoulder) done for the season, Enunwa could have a real role on offense. OC Chan Gailey used four-receiver sets on a league-high 586 snaps from 2010-2012 in Buffalo. Enunwa and Brandon Marshall make for ideal slot players.
Top 5 Interior Defenders by PFF Run Defense Rating: 1. D. Harrison 93 2. M. Dareus 92 3. B. Williams 91 4. J. Watt 90 5. S. Richardson 90
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) September 2, 2015
I freaking hate our LBs. They may be the worst in the league.
We're going to find out this year if our inability to cover the middle of the field, especially TEs, was a Rex thing or a slow LB thing.
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 3m3 minutes agoGood
Few Jets switch uniform numbers. Headliner: First-round pick Leonard Williams trades in No. 62 for No. 92. WR Quincy Enunwa is now No. 81
Finally
GoodOne Big Katt to another Big Cat...
Didn't like that 62
Last Jet high draft pick DL to wear a 60's number was the 2004 Kentucky Fried Fat Draft bust Dewayne
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One Big Katt to another Big Cat...
Kentucky Fried Fat Draft bust Dewayne
You actually came up with one that's moderately amusing, although it would have been better without "fat" as that was already implied by the first two words. Still, well done. Don't take this as encouragement.
One Big Katt to another Big Cat...
You guys didn't get this today.
As part of the new NFL season, Sky our sports broadcaster, had a day called "32 Live" where they visited all 32 teams over the course of the day and had interviews with players and officials.
Duff was on around 9.30 am your local time and he had the correspondent Jim White eating out of his hand with a brilliant explanation of the Jets playing facilities and his hopes for the forthcoming season- no rash predictions, no bluster, just great thoughtful assessment on what we can expect from this team this year and where we are going. With the nation watching I was proud to be a Jet.
Duff explained about the facilities for the players which he says are second to none in the NFL. The crew were right inside the Atlantic Health facility during the interview. I didn't know this but Duff was on the staff of the London Monarchs during NFL Europe - he's looking forward to getting over for the Dolphin game.
Handled the controversy about Geno well saying 'we as a team have moved on from any adversity it caused' - ( no hint of disparity) and he is real happy about our playing staff this year and he has a lot of respect for Coach Bowles - who ran an intense camp but has the whole team on side for the campaign. - The guy came across very likable indeed.
Duff explained about the facilities for the players which he says are second to none in the NFL. The crew were right inside the Atlantic Health facility during the interview. I didn't know this but Duff was on the staff of the London Monarchs during NFL Europe - he's looking forward to getting over for the Dolphin game.
Handled the controversy about Geno well saying 'we as a team have moved on from any adversity it caused' - ( no hint of disparity) and he is real happy about our playing staff this year and he has a lot of respect for Coach Bowles - who ran an intense camp but has the whole team on side for the campaign. - The guy came across very likable indeed.
Thank you, he was on TV the last game and yeah he came across as very likable indeed. That said, I will want to dick punch him as soon as the Jets lose their first game.
And what if they only lose because one of Idzik's picks blows a play?
And what if they only lose because one of Idzik's picks blows a play?
This is something I've noticed too. It was made a big deal when he was hired that he'd never had a spotlight position before and that he'd have a tough time acclimating to the media in NY. Yet, every time I've seen him speak he looks comfortable and prepared for all questions.
I don't recognize that name.
Then Maccagnan is an idiot for keeping an Idzik pick around. (Richardson I am considering a Rex pick. I reserve the right to reassign any other Idzik picks should they accidentally do something good as well.)
Whenever I've heard him speak, including the town hall meeting, he's always been eloquent and has something substantial to say.
Fair enough.
(Though when I made the comment I was thinking that we wouldn't have an Idzik pick on the field for at least 4 weeks, meaning we'd be 4-1. Then I recalled that McDougle survived cuts.)
Field Yates:Source: the Jets have converted $1.78M of K Nick Folk's $2.5M base salary into a signing bonus, creating $1,186,667 in cap space for 2015.
Jets needed a little cap space cushion.
I'm not a cap expert, but what's to stop them from converting most of the players' salaries into signing bonuses to generate a ton of cap space all the time?
It takes a portion of money and divides it over the remaining contract instead of paying it this year. Basically it saves money this year, but increases his cap number the next 2 years. If you do that a lot, you are basically pushing off salaries until a later date. At some point, you have to pay the piper. The Saints did this a lot and ended up with a bunch of players they couldn't cut because they owed them too much money. They also had no money to sign free agents because they owed Drew Brees so much money.
In Folk's case, it will matter very little because he doesn't make that much. When you start doing that with Tony Romo and Drew Brees, who are making excrement tons of money, you are basically making their future salaries so big that it cripples your cap.
TL,DR- you are borrowing against future cap space.
It takes a portion of money and divides it over the remaining contract instead of paying it this year. Basically it saves money this year, but increases his cap number the next 2 years. If you do that a lot, you are basically pushing off salaries until a later date. At some point, you have to pay the piper. The Saints did this a lot and ended up with a bunch of players they couldn't cut because they owed them too much money. They also had no money to sign free agents because they owed Drew Brees so much money.
In Folk's case, it will matter very little because he doesn't make that much. When you start doing that with Tony Romo and Drew Brees, who are making excrement tons of money, you are basically making their future salaries so big that it cripples your cap.
TL,DR- you are borrowing against future cap space.
Thank you Bo. Expertly explained in nice Layman terms.
You have reminded me why I keep you around.
We should really Bo's contract with us another 3 months, at least until the end of the regular reason.I'll wreck your opinion of me soon enough. Give it time.
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-7/Restless-Joyous-Night-for-Gilchrist-/6ca3f632-1537-4042-ad2d-862c4171f193?campaign=fb
Awful nickname used in the article.
Gilly? Pretty normal. One of the world's greatest ever wicketkeepers, Adam Gilchrist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Gilchrist), was always known as Gilly. If your issue with it is because of Game Of Thrones then the issue is yours, because Gilly has been in circulation long before that was a thing.I had to look up wicketkeeper. I am uncultured.
Love watching Brandon Marshall on Inside the Jets. They have a segment where each host takes a team and has to make a case for them winning the division.nice...
Marshall, "We have no chance. We have a 5'5" journeyman quarterback who plays the Rubix cube more than he watches film. We have a malcontent WR ready to implode. 1st year coach, 1st year GM, no way the Jets have a chance. We'll just fly under the radar."
On the report from @DanGrazianoESPN on JPP’s piece missing from his thumb, source says it’s far above the joint. Just the tip.
@RapSheet that's what she said
Jeez...hahahaha
Hey does anyone know with the huge purge at the NY Daily News, was Mehta fired? They axed a decent sized portion of their sports desk today.
First I'm hearing of it
Hey does anyone know with the huge purge at the NY Daily News, was Mehta fired? They axed a decent sized portion of their sports desk today.
U mad Babin?:
Babin and Some Parting Jabs: (http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/22002/ravens-linebacker-jason-babin-delivers-parting-jab-to-jets)
I don't think so. He's still tweeting links to his articles.
I'm not sure how he doesn't understand that the coach saying he wants to win, and the GM saying he wants to build, doesn't mean he shouldn't have been released. It really actually covers both things.
I should have said they fired a good portion of the entire paper, not just the sports desk. Zuckerman thejewguy that owns the paper fired everyone.
Jason Babin career:
2004-06: Texans
2007-08: Seahawks
2008: Chiefs
2009: Eagles
2010: Titans
2011-12: Eagles
2012-13: Jaguars
2014: Jets
2015: Ravens
You'd think he'd be used to this by now.
U mad Babin?:Freak you Babin you excrement
Babin and Some Parting Jabs: (http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/22002/ravens-linebacker-jason-babin-delivers-parting-jab-to-jets)
Maybe when he said there were 31 other teams who'd employ him, he meant that he was going to try and get round all of the other 31.
Jason Babin career:Anyone able to think of a player whose played for more teams?
2004-06: Texans
2007-08: Seahawks
2008: Chiefs
2009: Eagles
2010: Titans
2011-12: Eagles
2012-13: Jaguars
2014: Jets
2015: Ravens
You'd think he'd be used to this by now.
Wow, that really surprises me.
A 16oz beer at the Air Canada Centre and the Skydome costs around $12.
I am shocked as well. I thought for sure the Jets would be high on that list.I assume they keep beer costs low so fans keep their season tickets
I have never paid anywhere near as low as $5 for a beer at MetLife
In 2012, the cheapest beer in MetLife Stadium, shared by the Jets and Giants, was $8.75 for a 16-ounce drink, or about $0.55 per ounce. Last season a new $5, 12-ounce option offered fans a better value buy, or roughly $0.42 per ounce.Aug 20, 2014
Hahahaha. Crazy how he's played for nearly a third of all the teams in the league.
Chan Gailey is speaking to the media. He said Kerley will have a role in the offense "in bits and pieces" going forward. All of the beat writers are saying it's apparent Kerley has been marginalized. Heismanberg will be happy.
I don't know if anyone saw this, but Manish actually wrote a good article today. It talks about Fitz and how he's building chemistry with Marshall and Decker. It's a bit fluff, but it's not inflammatory nonsense: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-texts-fitzpatrick-hit-mark-jet-receivers-article-1.2365346 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-texts-fitzpatrick-hit-mark-jet-receivers-article-1.2365346)
Fluff is what made us like Manish before he went full NYDN.
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Pretty much. I almost forgot we liked him for a second lol
Chan Gailey is speaking to the media. He said Kerley will have a role in the offense "in bits and pieces" going forward. All of the beat writers are saying it's apparent Kerley has been marginalized. Heismanberg will be happy.
Sounds like Terrelle Pryor and Corey Washington both working out for the Jets. Two intriguing size-speed guys.
@MaryKayCabot
Former #Browns receiver Terrelle Pryor turned in a 4.2 and a 4.3 in the 40 in #Jets workout today, source tells http://cleveland.com .
Sounds like Terrelle Pryor and Corey Washington both working out for the Jets. Two intriguing size-speed guys.
@MaryKayCabot
Former #Browns receiver Terrelle Pryor turned in a 4.2 and a 4.3 in the 40 in #Jets workout today, source tells http://cleveland.com .
They could also just carry 2 quarterbacks and let Pryor be the emergency one.
Damn, that's fast. Marshall / Decker / Pryor would be a huge receiving corps - 6'5", 6'3" and 6'4" respectively, and all well over 200 lbs. This is one hell of a physical team that the Jets are building.
I think I’m drinking the Kool-Aid on the Jets defense. The secondary is stocked with ballhawks and the pass rush will be able to decimate offensive lines far better than the Colts—and that’s without Sheldon Richardson. Todd Bowles’ creativity has totally translated into his head coaching gig, and now he has more talent to work with than he ever had with the Cardinals.
The Jets Have Arrived
I remember last year, when then-Arizona defensive coordinator Todd Bowles played four safeties on lots of the defensive snaps, two of them as box linebackers after losing both inside ‘backers in the off-season. Bowles did a tremendous job of mixing and matching Tony Jefferson, Tyrann Mathieu, Deone Bucannon and Rashad Johnson. He told me last year that he learned how to play with what you’ve got from Bill Parcells, one of his mentors in the coaching business. “Bill had an idea from the first guy on the roster to the last guy on the roster about how he would play them if they had to play,” Bowles said. “I learned a great deal from him about using all my pieces.”
That showed Monday night, against Luck. Nine defensive backs contributed. The star of the secondary, Darrelle Revis, came up with an interception and two fumble recoveries, and another free-agent signee, Marcus Gilchrist (from the Chargers) had four tackles and a pick. The front seven helped, with 10 quarterback sacks or hits of Luck. The Jets aren’t going to blow people out—offensive coordinator Chan Gailey’s way is not to be big and explosive, but rather to move efficiently and avoid the big turnover—but their defense looks like it will keep them in games enough to make them a playoff contender in what is, after two weeks, a shaky AFC field.
8. N.Y. Jets (2-0). A ranking I never expected just 10 days ago. But the Jets are legit, as long as the quarterback doesn’t get careless.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/22/nfl-week-2-power-rankings-new-england-patriots-new-york-jets-indianapolis-colts (http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/22/nfl-week-2-power-rankings-new-england-patriots-new-york-jets-indianapolis-colts)
Skrine looks rapey as hell in that pic
The Jets' OL is the most experienced in the league by a huge distance.Maybe they are using the Brady hit scale, which counts times the QB was breathed on, farted on, looked at, and thought about.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=COMBINED_GAMES_STARTED
477 starts between them, which is around 50% more than the next most experienced line. Also, according to that chart they have given up 39 QB hits in two games which makes them the second least effective unit in the league. I don't believe that number, I can't think how Fitz has been hit 39 times in the two games I've watched.
The Jets' OL is the most experienced in the league by a huge distance.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=COMBINED_GAMES_STARTED
477 starts between them, which is around 50% more than the next most experienced line. Also, according to that chart they have given up 39 QB hits in two games which makes them the second least effective unit in the league. I don't believe that number, I can't think how Fitz has been hit 39 times in the two games I've watched.
Maybe they are using the Brady hit scale, which counts times the QB was breathed on, farted on, looked at, and thought about.
Awesome, that's brilliant. But I just choked on my beer so respect some members are 5 hours ahead of you- poopchute!
Just be glad you weren't reading it 3 hours later or you'd have choked on a dick.
Just be glad you weren't reading it 3 hours later or you'd have choked on a dick.
lolololololololol
Don't encourage him
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1h1 hour ago
RB Antone Smith, who had injury settlement with Falcons at final cutdown, is now full go to resume football activities and sign with a team.
Might be worth a look. Speedy RB.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 6m6 minutes ago
The #Jets have released DT Deon Simon, their 7th rd pick
They've been working out Bryce Brown.
Guess we're signing a tight end? Cumberland is out and I doubt they will roll with Wes Saxton.
Simon will probably end up booting someone else off the practice squad in a day or so.
Might be worth a look. Speedy RB.Antone Smith was super explosive in limited action last year. I was convinced Idzik would sign him since he would probably come super cheap. I wouldn't mind him, but I think we're fine at RB right now barring an injury
Very good/encouraging article on Todd Bowles:
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/10/05/new-york-jets-todd-bowles-darrelle-revis-2015-nfl-week-4 (http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/10/05/new-york-jets-todd-bowles-darrelle-revis-2015-nfl-week-4)
It is a good article, and it makes me once more think to the most intriguing matchup of the season - can Bowles figure out how to stop Gronkowski? Stop Brady from completing to Gronkowski and we'll beat the Patriots.
U mad Babin?:
Babin and Some Parting Jabs: (http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/22002/ravens-linebacker-jason-babin-delivers-parting-jab-to-jets)
I love reading articles about our team when we have a winning record.
3. Yardage Differential
This is not a category the Jets normally rank high in. But with the 249-yard advantage over Washington, they are now the only NFL team averaging 100 yards more than their opponents, plus-110.6, to be exact.
5B. Red Zone Offense
These don't always work hand-in-hand, but the RZ offense likewise has roared up the charts, from dead-last in TD rate last year (36.2%) to third this year (73.7%). Also interesting: The Jets got charged for a failed RZ opportunity when Fitzpatrick kneeled from the Cleveland 10 to seal the opening-day win over the Browns. It counts, but if we factor that out, the Jets have scored on all 18 of their RZ drives (14 TDs, four FGs), a 100% rate that would be tied for the league lead.
Per ProFootballFocus, the two most used coverages by the team are "Cover 1 Blitz" and "Cover 0 Blitz."
The Jets are 4-1 through five games, their best start since 2011 and a complete turnaround from their 1-4 record at the same point last season.
The reasons for this turnaround are manifold. The big-budget makeover of the secondary was a major game-changer, as was the necessary culture shift at the top with coach Todd Bowles and general manager Mike Maccagnan. Then there's Ryan Fitzpatrick, whose steady hand helped return the team to sanity after The Punch.
But what might separate this Jets team the most from those that preceded it are the playmakers at Fitzpatrick's disposal. In wide receiver Brandon Marshall and running back Chris Ivory, the Jets have stud producers you can put in the top 10 -- and even top five -- of their respective position groups.
Marshall made some Jets history in Sunday's win over the Redskins, becoming the first Gang Green wide receiver to post four straight 100-yard games since Don Maynard in 1968. Ivory rushed for 158 yards and a touchdown on just 20 carries and now sits third in the league in rushing despite playing just four games in the season's first six weeks.
Add Eric Decker to the conversation, and the Jets have their best set of "triplets" since Keyshawn Johnson, Wayne Chrebet and Curtis Martin powered Bill Parcells' attack in the late 90s. On Sunday, Ivory, Marshall and Decker combined for 366 total yards and three scores.
It's time to buy in: The Jets are good. They lack a signature win against a high-quality opponent and a slapdown at the hands of the loaded Patriots next weekend is certainly possible. But this is a well-coached team with a top-level defense and some legit playmakers on offense. The recipe is there.
Fitzpatrick remains a limited quarterback, and no one should be stunned if Geno Smith eventually sees the field. But when Fitzpatrick is playing within himself -- as he has for much of the year -- the Jets can hang with anybody in the AFC.
In theory. The first true test comes Sunday.
Nothing really new here, but the two bolded points really caught my attention.
1. the jets have not had a WR to post 4 consecutive 100-yd games in over 45 years! What a woeful indictment of Jets offenses over the years.
2. the triplet of Marshall, Decker & Ivory is better than Johnson, Chrebet and Martin!
..I don't think Fitzpatrick is as good as Vinnie, but he doesn't have to be. He just has to limit turnovers and let his play makers do the rest.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000561048/article/jets-are-improved-but-will-they-pass-foxborough-test
I will be honest I stopped reading here:
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Today is the 15th anniversary of the Monday Night Miracle.
Today is the 15th anniversary of the Monday Night Miracle.
I still remember I was sitting on my couch studying for finals wondering WTF was happening. Needless to say I didn't study all that much.
I was having sex with your sister at the time and could have cared less about the game.
She was 12. Is there even a statute of limitations for raping a child?
http://www.newyorkjets.com/photos/photo-gallery/Flight-Crew-Halloween-Rehearsal/8aea8277-b423-405e-a9da-be90c4433eab?campaign=fb
http://www.newyorkjets.com/photos/photo-gallery/Flight-Crew-Halloween-Rehearsal/8aea8277-b423-405e-a9da-be90c4433eab?campaign=fb
Found this picture of me from Christmas 1974:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dbacile/Christmas%201974_zpsjrouqdf2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dbacile/media/Christmas%201974_zpsjrouqdf2.jpg.html)
Found this picture of me from Christmas 1974:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/dbacile/Christmas%201974_zpsjrouqdf2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dbacile/media/Christmas%201974_zpsjrouqdf2.jpg.html)
Is that the electric football game in the background? Most ridiculous yet fun thing haha.
Is that the electric football game in the background? Most ridiculous yet fun thing haha.
A few years ago my brother picked one up and we tried playing it, it was awful but as a kid I loved it. Great memories of playing that stupid game ;D
I love this game as a kid too and I played that somewhat recently and it's still fun ;D
(http://www.handheldmuseum.com/Mattel/Mattel-Football.jpg)
Yep. I had that game too. We're old.
You're not old. You know what football game old people had? A football.
I heard some high school girl last night say that Travis Pastrana was hot before he got old.
He's 32.
I heard some high school girl last night say that Travis Pastrana was hot before he got old.
He's 32.
who the hell is Travis Pastrana?
I heard some high school girl last night say that Travis Pastrana was hot before he got old.
He's 32.
who the hell is Travis Pastrana?
Eric Decker @EricDecker87 · 3m3 minutes ago @PrinceAmukamara Wanna run the train on Jessie?
Was it deleted? Went to grab a screenshot and I gost nothing.Yea he must have deleted
Yea he must have deleted
Yea he must have deleted
Is that the official Jets app? Please tell me that's not the official app.
Find the funny.
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http://www.theplayerstribune.com/breno-giacomini-full-circle/
For Puck:Love that Menorah pic
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Just realized, no NYJ head coach has had a losing record in his first season since Rich Kotite 20 years ago. Don't know what that means but it's a pretty impressive stat. If we win one of our three remaining games, then the stat changes to every NYJ coach since Rich Kotite has had a winning record in his first year.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=6MTuAx6Ib30
Just realized, no NYJ head coach has had a losing record in his first season since Rich Kotite 20 years ago. Don't know what that means but it's a pretty impressive stat. If we win one of our three remaining games, then the stat changes to every NYJ coach since Rich Kotite has had a winning record in his first year.
It's that 2nd or 3rd year that is always troubling.
Holy excrement Marcus Williams has 6 picks
We freaking lucked out with him. Well Duff stole him from HOU practice squad lol.
We freaking lucked out with him. Well Duff stole him from HOU practice squad lol.
But knowing this kid looks like a sold starter he fell on our laps.
One less need this offseason
We freaking lucked out with him. Well Duff stole him from HOU practice squad lol.Diff didn't steal him, he was here last year.
But knowing this kid looks like a sold starter he fell on our laps.
One less need this offseason
If anyone else wants to correct Coach K, please take a number and wait in line.I'm on Tapatalk, didn't see there was another page beyond his quote.
Diff didn't steal him, he was here last year.
Joe Anderson's next chance at achieving his NFL dream is coming true. A month ago he was begging to be noticed by an NFL team, holding a sign outside the Texans stadium that said: "Not hungry, but STARVING for success."
Jets wide receiver Brandon Marshall took notice, sharing the image and saying Anderson was "one of the hardest working guys I've had the pleasure playing with." The two played together in Chicago and now they're destined to be teammates again.
WR, team captain, coach, and now GM. Next week there will be stories about Marshall sitting up until 1am in front of an Excel spreadsheet doing the monthly payroll calculations and corporation tax submission.
I kind of like him taking ownership, I wish more players would do it.
He's a well-spoken....
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Top five in the NFL's Power Rankings. Can't remember the last time that happened.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000611849/article/nfl-power-rankings-week-17-chiefs-jets-enter-the-top-five
Top five in the NFL's Power Rankings. Can't remember the last time that happened.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000611849/article/nfl-power-rankings-week-17-chiefs-jets-enter-the-top-five
Top five in the NFL's Power Rankings. Can't remember the last time that happened.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000611849/article/nfl-power-rankings-week-17-chiefs-jets-enter-the-top-five
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2008 after we beat the Titans IIRC.
Not sure if you are serious but this was 3 weeks ago when we were murdering Tennessee. That's Brandon Marshall in the picture...
Redskins are still bad.
Jets are surprisingly good.
When you hear Duff speak, you can just tell this man is a true football guy.
Looking at Fitz n Marshall alone
5th an 6th?
Give him the award
Not sure if you are serious but this was 3 weeks ago when we were murdering Tennessee. That's Brandon Marshall in the picture...
Hahaha, I meant that we hadn't been in the Top 5 of the Power Rankings since that win over TEN in 2008, not that the pic was from that game.
#Jets Eric Decker & #Packers Randall Cobb are only 2 WRs who have been targeted 90+ and their QBs have yet to throw an INT when targeting
Probably belongs in the Duff thread butDidn't Tanny win something either in 09 or 10 for that?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/12/30/scot-mccloughan-in-a-two-man-race-for-nfl-executive-of-the-year/
They think Mac is the front runner for NFL executive of the year.
whens the last time the Jets had a guy like that at the helm
That's a really impressive stat.
Fitz and Decker can thank Brandon Marshall for that stat
Why do you always have to excrement on everything remotely positive?
Thats not shitting on it.
Decker is very good, Fitz is good. But Marshall is an absolute game changing monster that defenses need to completely gameplan around.
Yeah sure you say that now, but we don't believe you.That's classic MBG if I've ever seen it before. ;)
Thats not shitting on it.
Decker is very good, Fitz is good. But Marshall is an absolute game changing monster that defenses need to completely gameplan around.
Not sure if this is been posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nScL7lV_tCY
After watching that I like our chances of signing Mo to a reasonable deal a lot more now. Seems like he really likes living in Jersey close to his family.He'll just end up with the Giants then.
He'll just end up with the Giants then.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
Woody Johnson, owner of the NYJets, is @JebBush’s finance chairman. If Woody would’ve been w/me, he would’ve been in the playoffs, at least!
That orangutan won't go away
He's going to be president.
I think Jace Amaro was the biggest miss, but I'm curious what a guy like Antonio Allen would have done for this team. Bowles was known for using safeties in the box as linebackers on passing downs and I'm curious if Allen would have been tasked to play Buchanons role against teams with good tight ends and pass catching rbs.
(unless we grab Aguayo)Do itttt
Then I hope for an assassination
I'll allow it.
They do and he is, but why is he cheering for the Rags in the first place? He's from Bumblefuck OH, he should be a Jackets fan.
My buddy is the usher in that section. The entire OL including reserves was there, and Mangold was off his rocker the entire night. Apparently, he pulled this excrement right in front of Dolan but there wasn't much he could do.
http://m.imgur.com/a/B0cXU
Word clouds from /r/nyjets
Jesus his sperm comes from Krypton.We should really stock up on draft picks between 2028-32 or whenever his kids become eligible.
Jesus his sperm comes from Krypton.
Jesus his sperm comes from Krypton.
Or, and I'm spitballing here...
We should really stock up on draft picks between 2028-62 or whenever his kids become eligible.
Brandon Marshall is on Colbert tonight. Somebody watch it and report back.
Keeping his eye on the target.
I'm putting my life's work into this comeback. #LoveDaGame #NFL
While quoting the following tweet:
I know I'm an idiot, but I don't get what is funny about Cimini's comment? I know he got caught whacking it at a Boston Market, that's about it. Target too?
It was a Target parking lot. He claimed he was looking for a Boston Market and got lost. Why that led to him jerking off is still a mystery.
I saw Colbert live two weeks ago. It was pretty cool. My first time watching a late night show live. There was a bit in the beginning (before the show tapes) where the audience gets to ask him questions. Some nerd ask him a LOTR related question and Colbert nailed it. Then I got a shot and asked him where babies come from. His response was hilarious.
I have never had any desire to see a late night show in person. Colbert would be the exception.
I Am America (And So Can You!) is still one of my favorite books.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/jets-to-pay-324-000-to-cheerleaders-to-settle-lawsuit-over-wages-1.1499349?page=all
Now I'm all for equal compensation, but hasn't cheer leading always been kind of a volunteer/internship thing that girls just like to put on their resumes?
All the expenditures they are complaining about are known as business expenses to the rest of us. It's called a tax write off.
If you are unhappy with your compensation, just quit. Go back to Rick's or Scores where you can make good money.
Now I'm all for equal compensation, but hasn't cheer leading always been kind of a volunteer/internship thing that girls just like to put on their resumes?
All the expenditures they are complaining about are known as business expenses to the rest of us. It's called a tax write off.
If you are unhappy with your compensation, just quit. Go back to Rick's or Scores where you can make good money.
Calling it an internship or a volunteer position doesn't just sidestep DoL regulations regarding minimum wage and eligible hours.
Same concept as the college athletes making millions (and in some cases billions) of dollars for their university that don't get "anything" aside from 200-300 thousand dollars in free tuition.
Actually, that is the definition of volunteer and internship work.
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) defines the term “employ” very broadly as including to “suffer or permit to work.” Covered and non-exempt individuals who are “suffered or permitted” to work must be compensated under the law for the services they perform for an employer. Internships in the “for-profit” private sector will most often be viewed as employment, unless the test described below relating to trainees is met. Interns in the “for-profit” private sector who qualify as employees rather than trainees typically must be paid at least the minimum wage and overtime compensation for hours worked over forty in a workweek.
Individuals who volunteer or donate their services, usually on a part-time basis, for public service, religious or humanitarian objectives, not as employees and without contemplation of pay, are not considered employees of the religious, charitable or similar non-profit organizations that receive their service.
Under the FLSA, employees may not volunteer services to for-profit private sector employers.
Stupid pesky federal laws preventing kind hearted private individuals from giving their time freely to help poor undernourished ailing private sector organisations like football teams.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Jets and CFL standout LB Freddie Bishop -- who visited 7 NFL teams -- just reached agreement on two-year deal, per source.
Meh. My initial post was more tongue in cheek than anything. My point is that these girls knew what they were getting into.
New Jersey minimum wage is $8.38 per hour. $150 per game at 3 hours is $50 an hour. To be making less than minimum wage would require almost 18 hours of work per game check. There is no way in hell that is happening. My real gripe is they want to be compensated for getting ready and driving to work. I would love the same but I live in the real world.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 3m3 minutes ago
Jets guard Brian Winters hit performance escalator to raise his 2016 salary to $1.696 million, as @RichCimini reported. #nyj
I wonder what the "escalator" was. "He showed up and continued breathing throughout the entire 16 game schedule."I believe it was playing time based on being a 3rd round or later pick.
Brian Winters steadily improved over this season. If he can become a solid starter, that's one less hole to fill.That's what I was thinking. There is no glaring hole outside of future LT and C. There is definitely room for upgrade at G and RT but I'd prefer consistency/cohesion vs plug and play in free agency
I don't think we're going to have any new starters on the OL in 2016. A tackle should be drafted at some point to sit behind Ferguson and Giacomini.
Brian Winters steadily improved over this season. If he can become a solid starter, that's one less hole to fill.
I don't think we're going to have any new starters on the OL in 2016. A tackle should be drafted at some point to sit behind Ferguson and Giacomini.
I agree about Ferguson. $9M in cap savings is nothing to sneeze at if they think they can draft/sign someone. I still think Ferguson comes back, partly because I don't think the Jets want to see him in Buffalo (Rex) or Miami (Tanny) next season.
I don't think the Jets can draft anyone that can play better in 2016 than Ferguson will. He isn't what he used to be, but he's OK.I agree, but I have to think the Jets ask him to take a pay cut.
https://t.co/JIlNfbXiuG
Please click.
I know the second one is our future franchise QB, but who's the first one?
I know the second one is our future franchise QB, but who's the first one?
My sister said that Dexter McDougal messaged one of her sorority sisters just now
Sounds like your sisters sorority is a bunch of whoresYea probably
Yea probably
What's their phone number?911
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Slow Eric Allen: Bowles on 4-3 in 16: We played some 4-3 last year. You mix & match depending on who we play & how we play them & who’s better for that game.
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
Bowles said Sheldon Richardson will be back inside this year. No more outside linebacker. #nyj
There's a half-full glass view on those stats, we have been decent in general. The thing is that we haven't got the breaks needed to get to a SB, in games and in personnel selection. If Belichick had stayed, if Favre didn't get injured, if we stopped the Steelers in that 3rd and 6, if Doug Brien didn't miss that field goal, and so on.
Jets have drafted the most QBs since 1999:
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And the Patriots have drafted one fewer despite having their franchise QB for almost the entire period. Superficially it seems like it should be an interesting stat but in reality I think it tells us nothing.
And the Patriots have drafted one fewer despite having their franchise QB for almost the entire period. Superficially it seems like it should be an interesting stat but in reality I think it tells us nothing.
Fun fact found by looking into the chart: the Chiefs have drafted only three first round QBs in 56 years of existence, and one in the past 36 years (1983).
I scrolled past all the tweets, but Demario Davis basically blamed the media for building him up to tear him down here. He also said that his setting a high standard led to people thinking he struggled and that he only got burned three times last season. Enjoy him Cleveland.
Huh, he was terribad in coverage and had his playing time reduced substantially. It was not just the media, it was the coaching staff and front office that said, "buh bye". I wish players would just move on and not be so disingenuous about things. The media didn't get anyone cut, if they did, the front office and coaching staff are freaking morons. I don't think this FO/cs are that stupid at all, the prior one, maybe.
I don't even think the prior regime is that stupid. Stupid yes, but not that stupid.
Davis is a clown. He stunk and can't just let it go and move on.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 3m3 minutes ago
Jets WR Brandon Marshall won the civil case against him today #NYJ
I don't know what this is but it is presumably good news.
Nothing really, from all the evidence it should have been Marshall and his wife suing, not the other way around.
Right, the thing with his wife getting hit by a bottle.
One of the jurors was asked if the decision was even close and they responded "No." The woman suing claimed Marshall punched her but the jury said that while it looked like Marshall may have thrown a punch there was absolutely no proof that he punched the plaintiff.
This is very good for the Jets (and Marshall). There were a lot of people who said he should've just settled out of court, but that (or the jury finding against him) could've resulted in discipline from the league. Instead, his innocence was "proven" and he shouldn't have to face anything from Goodell.
I thought this was a civil suit, not criminal. Even if he were found to have punched her, it's just for damages, not a conviction, right?
I thought this was a civil suit, not criminal. Even if he were found to have punched her, it's just for damages, not a conviction, right?
Michael DeVito @MikeDeVito70
Time to hang up the cleats! Thank you so much #Jets and #ChiefsKingdom for always having my back!
http://thedrive.bangordailynews.com/2016/04/11/sports/111/
scrappy
Kevin Mawae, Like A Boss. (https://twitter.com/NFLPA/status/722096557231882240)
Mauldin and Revis, showing up to workout at 6 AM.
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Revis apparently has a ballet recital first, so I'm glad he got in early.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFROItOLeKk/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BFROItOLeKk/)
Bowles has said Amaro is on the roster bubble.
He would be a huge freaking bust if we had to cut him in the third year
Bowles has said Amaro is on the roster bubble.
He would be a huge freaking bust if we had to cut him in the third year
No way he gets cut. He was injured last year and looked decent as a rookie in a excrement offense. Our TE position is excrement as it is. Just doesn't make sense
Jets new beat reporter is hawt.
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There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
Think she does 13 year olds?
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Nsfw: /r/jennkaelin
I own the same pajama pants.My ex has 2 pairs. lol
I own the same pajama pants.
I'm willing to bet your derriere looks nothing like that in them.
They don't, but I can wear them and send you a photo of me in a similar position just to be sure, if that's what you're suggesting.Yes. Yes I am.
.@corryjoel on #Jets Word is starting to get around among agents and players that the Jets are difficult to deal with
I've been saying this for a long time now. This regime hasn't appeared much different from Idzik's in terms of negotiations (apart from throwing handfuls of cash at Revis).
It's one thing to not want to give a journeyman QB (who incidentally led your franchise's best offense ever) ridiculous money, but when you have had 2+ years to work something out with one of your defense's best players, you tag him, and despite needing to sign him long-term to make the cap work you can neither get a contract done nor a trade? That's a problem.
Let's also not discount that our starting left tackle quit the game rather than take a steep paycut.
I'm sure someone will start a dogpile trying defend the Jets and telling me how wrong I am, but where there's smoke there's fire. This is a team willing to cut its nose to spite its face by going into the season with Geno Smith as the starting QB--despite the guy who should be here talking to his wide receivers daily and publicly stating he wants to return.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is coming from a certain agent of a certain QB we haven't signed yet.
I have no problem with this regime sticking to their guns as opposed to having someone like Trader Tanny destroying our cap and trading away draft picks.
I agree that Fitz is our best option. Just because Philly was dumb enough to give Bradford ridiculous money, doesn't mean we should follow suit with Fitz.
This whole thing sort of reminds me of when I was a kid shopping with my dad. He'd try to negotiate his way down something that I really wanted, and when I felt that he was ready to walk away, I'd freak and say "oh come on! Just buy it! I want it now!" The salesperson smirked and my dad was pissed, obviously. The Jets are my dad, and the fans were me at The Wiz. It's a negotiation. Not supposed to be easy. But as fans we have the tendency to just scream out "just fuckn sign him already!" We want it now.
Or the agent of a certain defensive lineman who has been patiently waiting for his money for a few years.
Or both.
Again, smoke-->fire.
Again, I've no problem with not giving Fitz a Bradford deal. He's not worth that kind of money. The problem is that there has been--and is now growing again--a perception that the Jets are difficult to deal with. That has little bearing on today, but could be a problem in the future.
It's easy to point a finger at one situation and say "It's that guy making a lot of noise" but we're currently mired in two.
What difference does it make? Let agents think that. It hasn't stopped us from signing free agents when the price was right. Money talks. If the Jets offer the right amount, players will sign. If they don't, that's the Jets' choice in not offering enough to get the deal done. It's not like some player is going to take less money to go to another team because the Jets are "hard to deal with".
Fans can talk about "paying the man" all they want and signing Mo because he deserves it, but the fact is that none of us know what Mo is asking or what the Jets are offering. It's ignorant to be mad at the Jets until you know all the facts. Mo might be asking to be the highest paid defensive player in football or something stupid like that. He might be asking for a reasonable amount and the Jets are being cheap. We don't know.
So you don't think being viewed as hard to deal with has any bearing on an organization's ability to sign its own players or free agents? You don't think if a player and his reps feel like it'll be a tough negotiation that they'll opt to skip a visit to the team in favor of an organization that easier to deal with?
If I'm a player watching this, I'm thinking to myself "This is the bullshit I'd have to deal with to sign with this team? They can't find any common ground with an anchor of their defense or the QB who led their all-time best offense? Yeah, I'll go visit that Trader Mike guy down in Miami who likes to throw money at people instead."
So you don't think being viewed as hard to deal with has any bearing on an organization's ability to sign its own players or free agents? You don't think if a player and his reps feel like it'll be a tough negotiation that they'll opt to skip a visit to the team in favor of an organization that easier to deal with?
If I'm a player watching this, I'm thinking to myself "This is the bullshit I'd have to deal with to sign with this team? They can't find any common ground with an anchor of their defense or the QB who led their all-time best offense? Yeah, I'll go visit that Trader Mike guy down in Miami who likes to throw money at people instead."
Except in Fitz's case there is no Trader Mike out there willing to throw money at him.
So you don't think being viewed as hard to deal with has any bearing on an organization's ability to sign its own players or free agents? You don't think if a player and his reps feel like it'll be a tough negotiation that they'll opt to skip a visit to the team in favor of an organization that easier to deal with?
If I'm a player watching this, I'm thinking to myself "This is the bullshit I'd have to deal with to sign with this team? They can't find any common ground with an anchor of their defense or the QB who led their all-time best offense? Yeah, I'll go visit that Trader Mike guy down in Miami who likes to throw money at people instead."
If the team is successful people will want to play here. We have the best example of that shitting on our division title chances every year. The pats are stingy with money and belichick doesn't give a freak if there is 80 feet of snow on the ground you better be in the building on time. They win so everyone wants to play there anyway.
Because they already have an established program of winning.
Remember when Mangini tried to run the Jets like the Patriots and people were like "Assclown, you're not the Patriots. Cut your excrement."
You don't get to act like you're a top-tier organization when you haven't been to the playoffs in years.
This surprised me a little.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/4p0eoz/the_last_time_every_team_had_consecutive_losing/
I think it's been said on here before that the Jets have a bunch of 8-8 seasons after losing seasons that keep them up high on that list.
Still crazy to me that you can go 10-6 and miss the playoffs.
Still crazy to me that you can go 10-6 and miss the playoffs.
New England went 11-5 and missed it the year Brady got injured. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of gays.
Eric Allen said on Twitter that the Jets will not wear the Titans jerseys this season. Hallelujah
Eric Allen said on Twitter that the Jets will not wear the Titans jerseys this season. Hallelujah
This will just encourage Koz to rock that rag to the tailgate
Thank God. If anything they should play a game in the old 80s/90s outfit. At least people care about and remember that excrement.
The kelly green? I love that colour but it's probably a bit too close to the Color Rush stuff that Nike are trying to push to be able to use it as a throwback.
I will take it out of its glass case, and make sure to look for the other guy in the stadium wearing the same.
https://imgur.com/v6NwDGc
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No one seems to recognize Revis on the train. Pretty funny.
Is he the chick with the red hair?
No that's Puck in disguise
With Breno Giacomini (back) banged up, the Jets have been looking at right tackles while they evaluate their in-house options, Ben Ijalana and Brent Qvale. One team to watch is the San Francisco 49ers. Trent Brown started the preseason opener, but former starter Anthony Davis, who came out of retirement before camp at the age of 26, hopes to get his old job back. Davis is a former first-round pick out of Rutgers, a well-regarded player before he walked away after the 2014 season. It means the 49ers have good depth at the position, prompting the question: Could one of their right tackles become available? Perhaps not coincidentally, Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan attended the 49ers-Houston Texans game on Sunday night in San Francisco, according to the stadium's press-box seating chart.
If Davis is available, and he's still healthy and good, he's definitely worth looking at. Have to think he'll cost a draft pick of some sort.
As for our Week 2 opponent, Buffalo is now missing Dareus, Lawson and Ragland for our Week 2 game.
McCoy still has plenty of time to injure himself before then too
Apparently our Madden rating sucks.
Jets retired LB Ralph Baker turned 74 today
I play Madden, I freaking love Madden. They would do me like that? Oh my God. That is an insult, like why would you do that to me? How much I love y’all. Like what? Not John Madden, because I love him. It’s the developers.Shut up, Dez.
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/62460/free-agent-rb-karlos-williams-id-like-to-fly-with-the-jets-baby
He's no rocket surgeon, but I don't see any harm in stashing his dumb derriere to see if he can build on last year.
So does a rocket surgeon operate on rockets? Does a rocket surgeon use rockets to operate on people? Does a rocket surgeon get rocketed into space to operate on astronauts? Does a rocket surgeon get rocketed to different hospitals to operate?Eleventeen
There's so many possibilities here, I would like to know........
Tons of people are attacking Brandon Marshall on Twitter for not standing during the national anthem
Problem is they're freaking idiots and attacking the one on our team
Normally I quite like Connor Hughes, but in this case STFU.
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/09/do_jets_playoff_hopes_hinge_on_thursdays_game_vs_b.html
In a way this tough schedule can be a good thing if we manage to split the first 6 games. What better way to prep the team for he rest of the season and beyond?
Then again if we freak up then it's obvious were not a playoff team.
That's actually a good point and goes back to something I was saying back when the schedule came out. If they can't beat these teams in the early part of the season, what would make us think they'd have any shot in the playoffs against them?
It just sucks that there are so many really tough games so early. If they get off to a rough start it's almost impossible to recover.
That's actually a good point and goes back to something I was saying back when the schedule came out. If they can't beat these teams in the early part of the season, what would make us think they'd have any shot in the playoffs against them?
It just sucks that there are so many really tough games so early. If they get off to a rough start it's almost impossible to recover.
We lost 45-3 to New England in 2011 and then kicked them out of the playoffs. I like Connor as well, this time he just wanted clicks.
That's not really the point.
Losing one game and then going on to beat that same team later is one thing. We're talking about 2 months of playoff teams (apart from this week's Bills game). His point was that historically, teams that start 0-2 have a tough time making the playoffs. The Jets then add a really rough schedule immediately following it where they could end up starting 0-7 which would be near-insurmountable.
Again, it really comes down to this week being as close to a "must win" as it gets in September. I don't think it was clickbait.
Of course it was. Teams that start 0-2 historically have a tough time making the playoffs not because 0-2 is some kind of insurmountable hurdle with only 14 games remaining, it's because they're usually not very good teams. Without context of the standard of opposition it's a meaningless stat, and with that context 0-2 for the Jets this season would be neither insurmountable nor even wholly unpredictable. We always knew that this was a tough start to a tough schedule and the historic stats have no bearing on the likelihood of our making the postseason, the entire premise of the article is garbage. There's no such thing as a week 2 must win game or anything close.
It's a 1/11 chance to make the playoffs if they go 0-2.
That's not true though, because making the playoffs isn't a randomised event dependent entirely upon chance.
We lost 45-3 to New England in 2011 and then kicked them out of the playoffs. I like Connor as well, this time he just wanted clicks.2010
You're right, if we start 0-2 our odds are probably worse given the makeup of our schedule.
I don't know why people are giving this guy excrement instead of Trent Dilfer who said our week 1 game was must win.
Because I didn't hear Dilfer say that, obviously that's even more stupid.Is it really? I think Pitt wins the north and the Pats win the east is a fairly common consensus. We could be tied with the Bengals for a wild card. That game was basically 2 losses if we dont win the east.
Is it really? I think Pitt wins the north and the Pats win the east is a fairly common consensus. We could be tied with the Bengals for a wild card. That game was basically 2 losses if we dont win the east.
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Regardless, this last page or so is a meaningless freaking argument, my post included.
Agreed, the Jets must win this game.
This post is correct.
Well, at least if we don't we know that we can not bother watching the remaining 14 as they're clearly pointless.
Incorrect.
As Jets fans we are obligated and compelled to tune in just to maintain the proper consistent level of misery.
OK, but given tomorrow is a "must win" game, we're agreed that if we lose it then the season is over, right?
With a loss in both of the first two games, they'd stand a very realistic chance of starting the season 0-7.
See, this is my problem. It's complete horseshit.
The Chiefs came very close to losing at Arrowhead to the Chargers, who are widely expected to be picking top three again.
Seattle struggled mightily against the Dolphins, who are a popular choice for a top five pick.
The Steelers are good but their secondary is garbage and their line is suspect.
The Cardinals already lost a game they were widely expected to win and if Palmer falls off a cliff, as the last two games he played suggest is possible, they've got big problems.
Baltimore are mediocre.
Assuming that if we go 0-2 we're going 0-7 is SOJF horseshit of the highest order.
It's not SOJF bullshit. It's being realistic.
"I'm just being realistic!" cried every SOJF ever.
GTFO with your "must win" bullshit in week 2. It is not anywhere close to must win and never has been in week 2.
Well, then I don't know what to say other than we disagree.
And we could reasonably have been expected to win Sunday. So what's your point? Nobody goes undefeated.
On paper this is a really rough schedule in the first two months. Could they start 0-2 and be 5-2 heading to Cleveland? Absolutely. That is an awfully sunshiney outlook though and not one I'd have any confidence in.
It's not SOJF bullshit. It's being realistic.
EDIT: Also note that you're putting words in my mouth. I'm not "assuming" 0-7. I said it was a "realistic possibility" and there is a distinct difference.
Given that we're actually having the conversation rather than not being smartasses, I'd disagree with that.
If the Jets lose tomorrow, it makes it a much harder climb to make the playoffs. Not because a game in September has any more importance than a game in December. I'm of the school of thought that every single game is just as important as every other.
The problem is, given the schedule the Jets are faced with, if they lose to the Bills tomorrow night, it's going to be extremely difficult to make the playoffs. With a loss in both of the first two games, they'd stand a very realistic chance of starting the season 0-7. They could be 3-7 by the bye but then facing the Pats and Colts in consecutive prime time games.
That's significantly different than had they won Sunday and wound up 2-5 heading to Cleveland where they could wind up being 5-5 at the bye.
In the 5 games after the Bills, the only games I feel like they have a realistic shot are home against Seattle, at Arizona, and home against the Ravens. Those are no cakewalks though and facing the Seahawks at 0-3 isn't going to give me any sort of confidence they won't be 0-4.
The season wouldn't be "over" but it would be ridiculously hard from there. That makes it a "must win" game.
See, this is my problem. It's complete horseshit.
The Chiefs came very close to losing at Arrowhead to the Chargers, who are widely expected to be picking top three again.
Seattle struggled mightily against the Dolphins, who are a popular choice for a top five pick.
The Steelers are good but their secondary is garbage and their line is suspect.
The Cardinals already lost a game they were widely expected to win and if Palmer falls off a cliff, as the last two games he played suggest is possible, they've got big problems.
Baltimore are mediocre.
Assuming that if we go 0-2 we're going 0-7 is SOJF horseshit of the highest order.
Going 0-7 is as "realistic" as finishing 15-1.
But why?
Okay
I don't know why I have to keep repeating myself.
The reason is pretty simple. If they lose tomorrow night I can see why you would think that, but let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. Barack Obama is undertaking a systematic effort to change this country, to make America more like the rest of the world. When I'm president of the United States, we are going to re-embrace all the things that made America the greatest nation in the world and we are going to leave our children with what they deserve: the single greatest nation in the history of the world.
It's funny how they're talking about the Jets offense being "absolutely loaded". Something I never imagined
You have to think that the Jets are going to have to strongly reconsider bringing Fitz back after this season. I have no idea how thst will work out contractually. But Marshall, and Forte probably have one maybe two more years tops. Not sure how old Decker is, but he should be due for a new contract around then as well
Plus Mangold and Clady...
New season of A Football Life starts tonight at 9pm on NFLN with Curtis Martin.
Patience. If we lose next week, people will want to cut them all.
On a side note I'm reading ranting and raving reviews about how the NFL streamed this game on Twitter, and the quality was amazing. And it was one of the best legal streams they've ever seen. And how you can easily stream it on the built in TV apps.
Anyone try this out?
I checked it out on my phone. the quality was excellent.
New season of A Football Life starts tonight at 9pm on NFLN with Curtis Martin.
God damnit I forgot about it.
Leonard Williams, We Know What Happened To Your Hookah Parts. (http://deadspin.com/leonard-williams-we-know-what-happened-to-your-hookah-1786949736)
Leonard Williams, We Know What Happened To Your Hookah Parts. (http://deadspin.com/leonard-williams-we-know-what-happened-to-your-hookah-1786949736)
when i see a fellow human of middle eastern origin smoking from a hookah here in america, i actually view it as a sign of being whitewashed.How does your family view you as a gay middle-eastern man?
i am sort of a cynic/hipster when it comes to my thought processes, though
How does your family view you as a gay middle-eastern man?
who were you on the old board?My bad I was coorslightcans
My bad I was coorslightcans
when i see a fellow human of middle eastern origin smoking from a hookah here in america, i actually view it as a sign of being whitewashed.
i am sort of a cynic/hipster when it comes to my thought processes, though
I've been to the Middle East (Dubai and Jeddah) and saw Hookah spots everywhere. Cairo doesn't really count, but there were a bunch there too.
ESPN New York reports Devin Smith (ACL, PUP) won’t return when first eligible.
Smith can come off PUP in Week 7. He’s expected to need two weeks of practice before the Jets activate him. With Eric Decker (shoulder) on IR, Smith should have a role in three-wide sets when healthy.
Anyone think we go after Jay Cutler after this year?Why?
Anyone think we go after Jay Cutler after this year?
I would have thought that if we're going to go for a short term vet in an attempt to win now (and I don't), Romo seems like the best option. Feels like his Favre moment is coming.
Romo is gonna be 37, is extremely injury prone, and has over 25 million dollars guaranteed left (making it all the harder to part with with the age and injuries)
Cutler is buddy buddy with the best player on our team (and Matt Forte) will only be turning 34, and has virtually no guaranteed money left.
At the very least it's gotta be a real possibility
Cutler has never looked like he's capable of winning anything, and I don't know that Marshall and Cutler are that tight. Was there not a story that they haven't talked in two years? Romo has the talent to win it all, he's just never stayed healthy in years when his team has been good enough.
I don't want either, but if I had to take one it would be Romo and it wouldn't be a hard decision.
"It depends," Marshall said Friday during a conference call with the New York media. "The new coach was brought on, and our new general manager. They don’t know us. All they can go on is what they hear, what they see, what they saw from afar. I’ve always described our relationship this way -- and it hasn’t changed -- that we’re brothers. We’re the brothers that we love each other, but also get into it. And it’s always been that way and it will never change. I love him, his family. I love his sons. And I wish him the best."
FREE AGENTS
Kirk Cousins, Washington Redskins: This would require a major financial commitment, and we're talking about a quarterback with a 15-16 lifetime record. The Jets' current regime had some interest in Cousins more than a year ago, when Smith went out with a broken jaw.
Mike Glennon, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: He'd be more affordable than Cousins, but we're not talking about a franchise-caliber player. His career record is 5-13.
Brian Hoyer, Chicago Bears: Maccagnan has expressed interest in each of the last two offseasons. Hoyer is putting up good numbers with the Bears (even if he's not winning), and he'd be a decent, short-term consideration.
Landry Jones, Pittsburgh Steelers: Obviously, he hasn't played a lot, but some scouts like his upside. These next few weeks will determine his market value as he steps in for the injured Ben Roethlisberger.
Tony Romo has been injury-prone in recent seasons, but he'd probably be available to the Jets this offseason because the Cowboys seem to have a new franchise quarterback in Dak Prescott. AP Photo/Michael Ainsworth
UNDER CONTRACT
Trevor Siemian, Denver Broncos: First-round pick Paxton Lynch is waiting in the wings, so Siemian could become expendable. The Jets would have to give up a lot in a trade, though, because the Broncos have him on the cheap for two more seasons.
Colin Kaepernick, San Francisco 49ers: He can void his restructured contract, making him a free agent. Kaepernick has talent, but he hasn't played well in three years and his political beliefs would create a distraction in a market like New York.
Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys: Haven't you been following America's quarterback controversy? Cap-wise it would be difficult, but not impossible, to trade or cut Romo. The downside: He'll be 37 and he's fragile. Upside: He'd be great box office, and owner Woody Johnson loves marquee quarterbacks.
Jay Cutler, Bears: Cutler has four years left on his contract, but he probably won't see that money from the Bears. His personality chafes many people, but some scouts believe he could succeed with the Jets if there's a strong offensive coach to rein him in.
Ryan Tannehill, Miami Dolphins: The Fish can cut bait after the season, but it would be a tremendous admission of failure considering they gave him a monster contract in 2015. Tannehill has talent, but he's maddeningly inconsistent.
Jimmy Garoppolo, New England Patriots: Do you honestly think the Patriots would trade him within the division? And to the Jets? There's a better chance of Todd Bowles doing standup on "The Tonight Show."
http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/17816613/espn-magazine-2016-ultimate-standings
We have signed LBs Julian Stanford and Victor Ochi to the active roster, placed TE Braedon Bowman on IR and placed LB Erin Henderson on the Reserve–Non-Football Injury/Illness list.
Bilal has turf toe, and cj Spiller got cut.
The Jets gotta be bringing in either Spiller or Williams or somebody
You're borderline obsessed with CJ Spiller.
Well considering that our starting running back is old and hasn't exactly been very good, and his backup now has turf toe.
It's rather logical that we bring in a back who can jump right in. Who else knows our offense and OC?
Forte is on track for over 1400 yards and 11 TDs so I take issue with the suggestion that he hasn't been very good, but he can't do everything. Spiller's style of play isn't what we need to spell him though, and he's already been cut twice this season.
I'd prefer Williams but he's with the Steelers, although I think he's on their PS so we probably could sign him if we wanted to.
Are there even any rumors about what happened to Henderson? I haven't really heard a thing.
Aya thinks you can get Sheldon Richardson to visit her tonight? Nice.
Just heard on the radio the Jets are 2 for 8 when passing on 3rd & 1, 9 for 9 when running on 3rd & 1
Just heard on the radio the Jets are 2 for 8 when passing on 3rd & 1, 9 for 9 when running on 3rd & 1
Jets waived/injured TE Kellen Davis.
Herm had way more talent to freak up than Bowles.
Bowles has had playoff talent to work with and can't make it. Herm took over when the franchise was a mess w/ numerous coaches walking out on us and he turned us around.
Bowles has had playoff talent to work with and can't make it. Herm took over when the franchise was a mess w/ numerous coaches walking out on us and he turned us around.
You realize that they had the exact same record on their first year, right? Edwards got into the playoffs because the other teams sucked more in 2001 than they did in 2015, not because we did better.
Yeah poor Herm, his first year he had 4 first round draft picks 3 of which they hit on, and a 4th 3rd round pick was a little below a franchise WR.
Poooooooooooooooooooor Poooooooooor Herm, one of the single worst in game coaches I have ever seen. Herm sucked and I don't care to see your drivel on how he was so great a coach, freak off.
Do you get some kind of award for consistently being the most miserable person at the party?
huh? I am being miserable? how so? I am defending people that helped our team win that are being bashed by Jet fans- wouldn't they be the miserable ones?
Coles was a good player, wasn't as good as Marshall or decker.
the coles that we saw in the 2002 season was, IMO, much better than the coles that we got back from washington, and i would absolutely consider that coles a franchise WR.
going back 15 years, i don't think the jets have had a QB-WR combo better than chad-coles in 2002
Didn't Fitz-Marshall have more TDs than any other Jet QB-WR duo ever in a season?Yeah but nostalgia is worth more than TDs.
Yeah but nostalgia is worth more than TDs.
Didn't Fitz-Marshall have more TDs than any other Jet QB-WR duo ever in a season?
Didn't Fitz-Marshall have more TDs than any other Jet QB-WR duo ever in a season?
You disappear for months at a time and only show back up to say things to the effect of: "Hey guys, you see what Rex is doing while we suck?!"
I'd call it trolling, but I honestly think you're not intending to. That's why I'm saying you're being miserable.
the coles that we saw in the 2002 season was, IMO, much better than the coles that we got back from washington, and i would absolutely consider that coles a franchise WR.
going back 15 years, i don't think the jets have had a QB-WR combo better than chad-coles in 2002
I was a regular and liked it here but the pee wee coach attacked me then I got suspended for it so I will pop in now and then when I feel like it.
Didn't Fitz-Marshall have more TDs than any other Jet QB-WR duo ever in a season?
I don't ever remember being very confident going into a game under Herm. I remember games being real ugly, close, with a excrement load of 3rd downs.
Would have to look up O'Brien to Toon.and Wesley walker
No one attacked your whiny derriere.
And while you're still around trolling our site:
get Rex Ryan's dick out of your mouth
I was a regular and liked it here but the pee wee coach attacked me then I got suspended for it so I will pop in now and then when I feel like it.
I am miserable watching this team and miserable knowing we blew it w/ better QBs, HCs, GMs that average fans wanted to get rid of. sorry if that offends anyone.
Look, I like you as a poster, always have (even when we argue), but (I assume) you were legitimately suspended because you continually posted personal things on the board--and the rules are rightfully restrictive on that front.
Arguing with Heismanberg is one thing, but don't introduce anything approaching personal information on a public message board. Beyond rules, that's just simple tactfulness.
I'm not offended by you. I just question why you always want to make a miserable situation feel worse. This year sucks as a Jets fan, why compound it with talking about past failed regimes and any perceived current success elsewhere? Does it help a Browns fan to say "We fired Belichick! Now look at him!"?
that wasn't why I was suspended.
false
Look, I like you as a poster, always have (even when we argue), but (I assume) you were legitimately suspended because you continually posted personal things on the board--and the rules are rightfully restrictive on that front.
Arguing with Heismanberg is one thing, but don't introduce anything approaching personal information on a public message board. Beyond rules, that's just simple tactfulness.
I'm not offended by you. I just question why you always want to make a miserable situation feel worse. This year sucks as a Jets fan, why compound it with talking about past failed regimes and any perceived current success elsewhere? Does it help a Browns fan to say "We fired Belichick! Now look at him!"?
I argued for a long time about Rex and everyone bashed me and told me how much he sucked.
I argued for a long time about Rex and everyone bashed me and told me how much he sucked. it sucks watching him do well and Tannenbaum do well while we suck again.
Tactfully presented Alio, statesman like as always.
I agree with Alio Junk. I think you have good points to make and clearly know the game; it would be a pretty boring board if we all agreed with each other. I would say though that from time to time I was genuinely confused if you were a Jet fan.
For the record Italian seafood and I were against jettisoning Rex and got pretty much derriere raped on here by some. It does pain me to watch him motivate his team with arguably less talent.
It's the holiday season, good will to all men etc. How about cleaning the slate and coming back on board. I'm sure my board colleagues here will be happy to turn the page.
Not everyone.
A lot of us liked Rex. But it was time for him to go. Things were a mess here and he was sinking. Guys often do better in their following opportunities once they learn what went wrong before. Rex hasn't done anything significant in Buffalo yet though, so let's wait to crown him.
As for Tanny, it was a weird situation. He built a limited window team that fell just short. Then the window closed and he got fired just before his salary/rebuild plan went through.
Who knows? If Rex and Tannenbaum were allowed to stay together those two Idzik years, maybe things would be different now. It's hard to say either way. Maybe Sanchez would never have gotten hurt. Maybe we never pick Geno and use it more wisely. Maybe we get Decker and Marshall and Sanchez becomes a legend.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda. By the same token we could've been in cap hell, never got Marshall or Decker, and Sanchez could still have flamed out.
I certainly don’t expect or want everyone to agree with me, boards would be boring if we all agreed.
I liked it here, I post for fun. I honestly don’t take anything personally even the silly attacks from that guy.
I appreciate your comments.
Yes, there were a few who liked Rex. Sorry about that.
I did acknowledge a mistake when I asked where you "coached" with your despicable behavior but I never did that again.
I am allowed to goof on your coaching though especially when you come at me.
if you can't handle it don't come at me and I won't make you look foolish and you won't have to cry to the mods.
He did have to go unfortunately but mostly b/c we had already fired Tannenbaum, and hired a new GM, we couldn’t hire another GM w/ rex still here. the big mistake was firing Tannenbaum, that got the ball rolling toward where we are today. w/ that said I do like our current GM and the HC has some good qualities but he’s been awful since week 17 of last year.
We did go for it under Tannenbaum, got close and had to start over. The cap would have been fine, it wasn’t mystery what we needed to do in the offseason after 2012. He would have executed that fine.
I hope for the best, teams get good and bad quickly but it’s frustrating now with 6 straight seasons missing the playoffs. the last tiem that happened was 1992-1997 but missing in 1997 we knew we had Parcells to coach and we were going to get better, now who knows?
These last few weeks, however, have made me question if the problem is more Maccagnan's inability to acquire enough talent.
Good stuff. Good to have you back onside on here to share the misery of the New York freaking football Jets.
so we should've retained a glorified accountant who couldnt manage the cap and traded away draft picks like baseball cards.
ok.
the Bills are 6-5....why are people pining for Rex?
Again, we can't know what would've happened if Tanny and Rex had two more years together. It could have worked out great. It could have flopped. You can't say definitively either way.
That said, I've flip flopped on Bowles and Maccagnan this year. Earlier I wanted Bowles' head on a pike. These last few weeks, however, have made me question if the problem is more Maccagnan's inability to acquire enough talent.
In the end, I think the two of them need one more year to see if they can move the franchise forward.
Well, he hasn't had much time to acquire talent. He has to find a QB or he's gone.
I think a draft strategist/scout type of general manager like Mike Maccagnan needs four seasons to put a team. Todd Bowles doesn't have that much time and he knows it. The two don't really fit together right now as far as I can tell.
This offseason is big for both of them. I think we're going to see Maccagnan try to tear it down a bit and get rid of older players.
The imminent Sheldon Richardson trade is huge for this team.
Wilkerson is still hurt. Richardson can't be trusted. I hope that re-signing will work out over time. Wilkerson is still the key player for opposing OLs from what I see.
Getting rid of Jarvis Jenkins, Sheldon Richardson, and Darrelle Revis will help this team.
I think Revis is gone,I am not sure how reputable some of the sites reporting it are but there are reports Revis is mailing it in and telling friends he's done.
I think Revis is gone,I am not sure how reputable some of the sites reporting it are but there are reports Revis is mailing it in and telling friends he's done.
It's Manish but nothing revis is doing on the field contradicts the report. If he isn't done for good he should be done here.
Im surprised Mac is suddenly seen as bad too. We all loved the moves two years ago and he set us up to have decent cap space after some moves this off season. I'm indifferent on bowles but Mac has some more time in my eyes
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN · 2m2 minutes ago
Jets waived RB CJ Spiller and WR Jeremy Ross
"The first person I see every morning is Bryce Petty, because he's the first one in every day," Marshall said. "[Former Jet] Antonio Cromartie and I were the first ones in last year. We used to race in here. Now I can't beat [Petty] in. I'm not even trying anymore.
Impressed by this, but doubt it will translate to the field
Impressed by this, but doubt it will translate to the field
You really have no faith in Petty, huh?
I don't like seeing that because I have a high regard for your opinion and I really want Petty to show something good (regardless of Hackenberg or a draftee).
not to start trouble here but he also said Fitz was the next Rich Gannon. I don't know where this high regard comes from. I have no idea if Petty can become a good QB, we'll see but I would like him to answer my question
I don't recall him calling Fitz the next Gannon. He may have said something along the lines of hoping Fitz was another Gannon-like story, but I don't think he said what you keep accusing him of.
Heismanberg is pretty good judge of talent. I have that high regard from years of reading his posts.
he was very high on Fitz, we argued about it all last year. I would hope he will be honest and discuss that. he was wrong, it happens. we are all wrong from time to time but he was badly wrong on Fitz.
Kerry Collins
Fitz had the statistically best season of a Jets QB ever. Period.
Yeah, yeah, I know you hate stats. It doesn't matter. By any measurable metric Fitz was one of the best Jets QBs ever last year. Stop with the petty squabbling with him.
who knew?
You really have no faith in Petty, huh?
I don't like seeing that because I have a high regard for your opinion and I really want Petty to show something good (regardless of Hackenberg or a draftee).
Back on track...
I like Petty, but he doesn't have a lot of help. We can't consistently run the ball. The protection is not very good. Outside of Brandon Marshall, the WR corps is very inexperienced as well.
Our defense can't seem to stop anyone so we're constantly fighting back/climbing out of a hole.
I'll tell you what I liked most about him on Monday was that he went to Anderson a couple of times on a go route, but missed both times.
You're absolutely right about what I said about Rich Gannon. Over a year ago when Fitzpatrick was finishing up one of the best seasons at QB in franchise history, I said that I hoped he could become similar to Gannon - a journeyman that finally found the right spot. Obviously, that didn't happen.
Junc will continue to troll and say that I claimed Fitzpatrick was the next Rich Gannon though.
Literally everyone but you
You're absolutely right about what I said about Rich Gannon. Over a year ago when Fitzpatrick was finishing up one of the best seasons at QB in franchise history, I said that I hoped he could become similar to Gannon - a journeyman that finally found the right spot. Obviously, that didn't happen.
Junc will continue to troll and say that I claimed Fitzpatrick was the next Rich Gannon though.
Who are you to say that he can't turn out the same way that Gannon did?
I hope he does but 6 good games is a little early to make that proclamation.
Rich Gannon was efficient. He didn't put up huge numbers. All we need is for Fitzpatrick to keep taking care of the football.
If our OL improves and the running game gets a little more consistent, then it's not hard to see him doing well for another season or two.
Gannon was the best QB in the league for a couple of years. He won an NFL MVP award, was a 2 time 1st team all pro and led a team to the SB. he threw for 4700 yds in 2002.
can he do well? yes, can he be Rich gannon? I'd love to see it but I wouldn't hold out hope for that.
You fags are acting like Rich freaking Gannon was special. He had a high completion percentage and he had two Hall of Fame receivers to throw to.
He was a journeyman that finally found the right fit and did well for a few years.
Gannon was special in Oakland.
Rice was at the end of his career, Brandon Marshall is better than Rice in oak or Brown.
...no. He was extremely efficient and he was a smart enough to operate Gruden's scheme.
Rice on his last leg was still a great player. So was Tim Brown. He had Andre Rison for a little while too.
you clearly don't remember him in Oakland, he was special there and while Rice could still play he wasn't the jerry Rice we all remember in SF.
Andre Rison? seriously?
Tim Brown was a top WR. Doesn't change the fact of how great Gannon was in those years.
Gannon was 1st team all pro in 200 and 2002. Peyton was already an established top QB and favre was still in his prime yet Gannon was 1st team AP 2 of 3 years. that kind of tells us all we need to know.
I like to work w/ those less fortunate, consider it my Christmas gift to you. please keep giving me the gift of your evaluations on QBs like Fitz
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Fitz had the statistically best season of a Jets QB ever. Period.
Yeah, yeah, I know you hate stats. It doesn't matter. By any measurable metric Fitz was one of the best Jets QBs ever last year. Stop with the petty squabbling with him.
You're absolutely right about what I said about Rich Gannon. Over a year ago when Fitzpatrick was finishing up one of the best seasons at QB in franchise history, I said that I hoped he could become similar to Gannon - a journeyman that finally found the right spot. Obviously, that didn't happen.
Junc will continue to troll and say that I claimed Fitzpatrick was the next Rich Gannon though.
Back on track...
I like Petty, but he doesn't have a lot of help. We can't consistently run the ball. The protection is not very good. Outside of Brandon Marshall, the WR corps is very inexperienced as well.
Our defense can't seem to stop anyone so we're constantly fighting back/climbing out of a hole.
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Do you play pickup basketball with him?lol
Does anybody know what the deal is with Devin Smith? Is he alive? Potentially going to see the field? Even got a shot of making the roster next offseason?
Does anybody know what the deal is with Devin Smith? Is he alive? Potentially going to see the field? Even got a shot of making the roster next offseason?
Does anybody know what the deal is with Devin Smith? Is he alive? Potentially going to see the field? Even got a shot of making the roster next offseason?He'll catch the first pass of the game for an 80 yard TD, then not play the rest of the game.
Johnson is a very good owner. This has been a rough stretch for us, but the team has been competitive under him for the most part.
Well can't you say the same about most of the owners in the NFL bar the obvious ones?
What are your thoughts of this:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000754358/article/johnsons-jets-duties-could-change-if-he-gets-ambassador-role
A part of me has struggled to root for the team when I see him with Pence in the stands, or giving money to Trump so honestly I'd be happy if he stays away from the team as much as possible, but I have no real clue on what's his actual input on the day-to-day operations.
I can't see any conflict of interest at all in having the owner of one of the world's largest pharamceutical companies be the ambassador to the country which is one of the world's largest individual purchasers of pharamceuticals.
Not contesting your point, but I didn't think he owned Johnson & Johnson.Feel free JE is a cuck
I can't see any conflict of interest at all in having the owner of one of the world's largest pharamceutical companies be the ambassador to the country which is one of the world's largest individual purchasers of pharamceuticals.
You do realize that most people in power have major conflicts of interest right ? Especially considering that most politicians get millions/billions from corporations and lobbyist
That's not how it works.
Johnson is a very good owner. This has been a rough stretch for us, but the team has been competitive under him for the most part.He's a very good owner? I don't think he's as bad as some people say, but he's no better than average.
ill always respect him for visiting our tailgate and emptying his wallet into Chris's donation jar.
Is a new owner going to change anything?
if he picked up that ambassador position, he wouldn't actually have to sell the team, would he? he just wouldn't be allowed to be involved in our day-to-day operations anymore
He owns the team. He would just have to give up day to day operations. Hell, it might actually help.
What does he do day to day now?
What does he do day to day now?
What does he do day to day now?
we are the worst coached team in the league so it makes sense.
Rams and Browns fans would disagree
you know nothing about professional football., if we were talking pee wee I'd come to you for advice.
Can you please leave your childish bullshit out of this random thread?
I can't believe people like you exist.
I can't believe you spend so much time at Finheaven, but...you do.
you know nothing about professional football., if we were talking pee wee I'd come to you for advice.
Do us all a favour and stop derailing football discussions with ad hominems please.
read up on what happened this morning please.
do us all a favor and don't allow mods to derail every thread b/c of his sick fascination with me. read up on what happened this morning please.
Junc thinks that Chad Henne still plays for Miami
As a valued member of FinHeaven, how do you screw something like that up?
As a excrement-stirrer this is getting annoying for even me
As a cuck this is getting annoying for even me
Can you freak my girlfriend please?
Bryce Petty @b_petty14 · 3h3 hours ago
Always have those ppl that come into the TEN ITEMS OR LESS line with 42 items... why dude
I'm starting to like Bryce Petty.
How do you know he's buying a gallon of ketchup and lunchables?
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
Jets non-division 2017 schedule is locked in now.
Home: KC, SD, JAX, CAR, ATL
Away: OAK, DEN, CLE, NO, TB
#nyj
I only feel comfortable marking Cleveland and Jacksonville as potential wins. Figure we steal a game against Miami and Buffalo so 4-12 sounds about right.
If Cleveland get Garoppolo and Garrett this offseason, they're not going to be a bad side at all. They already have some very good pieces.They're 0-14. I'm not giving any benefit of the doubt just yet.
We had to rally our as*es off to beat Cleveland and San Francisco this year, and next year our secondary will be a year slower.
Not to mention our 2017 second round pick is already on IR.
Not to mention our 2017 second round pick is already on IR.
This we can agree on. Lol.
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
Bryce Petty somehow is OK after his rib-rattling hit #nyj
3:18 PM - 19 Dec 2016
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I can't believe he didn't wind up with a broken rib. That was just awful to watch.
Obviously it's because Miami players are soft cunts.
Anyone think Hackenberg could get on the field at all week 17?
Would be nice to give him some experience/film that he can build on over the offseason, and if he's not ready for that then it bodes extremely poorly for his future
After reading this, my forecast is that if he plays a snap on week 17 he will be great. Otherwise, he will be a bust for the ages.
It's got nothing to do with great or bad.
He's a developmental guy. Let him go out there for a game, and see what he's gotta develop
It's got nothing to do with great or bad.
He's a developmental guy. Let him go out there for a game, and see what he's gotta develop
I don't think it'd be the worst thing in the world to put Hackenberg out there week 17. Both teams will be eliminated from the playoffs by then, would be interesting to see how he looks.
What if Darius pulls down Hackenberg's pants and fucks him in the pooper after a sack on national TV?I'm all for it
what will that do to his psyche? He can't play that game.
The case against Hackenberg playing this year is that he was already mentally wrecked at Penn State. Putting him out there behind a putrid o-line with limited knowledge of the offense to get crushed by other teams will not help his situation any. At least next year, he'll have a full offseason to get more than 4th string reps and possibly rework his mechanics.
Unless he's going in at garbage time to just hand it off or is needed in an emergency due to 2 QBs going down, just wait til next year in my book.
This should not even be a discussion.Guy certainly says all the right things. Hard to root against him.
http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2016/12/22/brandon-marshall-talks-winning-with-jets-joining-patriots-per-report/
Bilal Powell leads the NFL in rushing yards per carry (min. 100 rushes) at 5.50.
Powell sucks balls that is why you never see him. Im shocked he is still on the team really.
Bilal Powell leads the NFL in rushing yards per carry (min. 100 rushes) at 5.50.
I legitimately think that he should be a trade chip this offseason. He probably has the second highest trade value of anyone on this roster aside from Richardson.You're right but I don't think he holds a lot of value.
If we are in legit burn it down mode, we should trade him. He won't be any good in two more years when we are ready to compete again, and an extra third can be used as a replacement back, or as a young TE or a young safety who might become a viable leader in the back end of the defense
You're right but I don't think he holds a lot of value.
He's also 29. Not happening, but that makes me think that we won't go RB in the first round.
He's also 29. Not happening, but that makes me think that we won't go RB in the first round.You're right for the reason why he has no trade value. 29-year old running backs who have no track record to speak of have no trade value. If he were 25 years old, under a similar contract, and with similar production, we could definitely get a 4th for him. Not now.
You don't go RB in the first round when you don't have an offensive line
If he were 25 years old, under a similar contract, and with similar production, we could definitely get a 4th for him. Not now.
Before repeating what you've read somewhere else, please analyze a little bit. This year we've been the 13th best rushing offense in the league and that without having a proper QB. If our offensive line has done something well, it's been opening lanes.
This team is going to likely be in 4-12 territory for another year or two. Have much bigger holes to fill than RB right now.
Gotta take care of the trenches first. The offensive line in 2009-2010 were a big reason why a guy like Sanchez was able to get us to the AFC Championship.
Dak wouldn't be seen as steal without that line and running game protecting him.
still remember drafting brick and mangold in the first round, and everybody, fans and analysts alike, were saying how great those moves were, how it's the proper way to go about building a team, how it sets us up for success in the future etc etc etc.....and we did absolutely fvck all with it. just seems like it was all such a waste of a time period, and a definite downer to think about it unfolding the way it did.
Why do we consistently over exaggerate the trade value of our players? No one would give you a 4th even if he was 25. Whatever you think a players value is drop them a round and a half lower and thats their true value.Chris Ivory was 25 years old when the Jets traded a 4th-round pick to get him. If Powell were averaging 5.5 yards per carry as a 25-year old, I think he would have been worth a 4th- or 5th-round pick.
Chris Ivory was 25 years old when the Jets traded a 4th-round pick to get him. If Powell were averaging 5.5 yards per carry as a 25-year old, I think he would have been worth a 4th- or 5th-round pick.
Well we did have a 3 year window. We just couldn't push through.
Powell and Forte I think are both signed for another year or two. That will do fine while we put a line together, unless some top notch RB like Elliott falls into our lap.That's the key - they're both under contract. RB is a position rookies can come in and perform right away. Some need time, but it's one of the easier plug-and-play positions in the draft. I still would look to target someone in the middle rounds because it's a very deep class, but there's nobody I would draft in the top 6.
Before repeating what you've read somewhere else, please analyze a little bit. This year we've been the 13th best rushing offense in the league and that without having a proper QB. If our offensive line has done something well, it's been opening lanes.
That's the key - they're both under contract. RB is a position rookies can come in and perform right away. Some need time, but it's one of the easier plug-and-play positions in the draft. I still would look to target someone in the middle rounds because it's a very deep class, but there's nobody I would draft in the top 6.I agree, maybe not with such a late-round pick though. I think it's bad value for us to take a RB in the start of the first round but I'm all for taking one rounds 2 thru 4.
Looks like the worst draft position we can get, even if the Jets win, is 6 (I think, not sure). I think we might could go up to 4 if the right teams win and we don't. freak it, I'd rather pull for the Jets to win.
I agree, maybe not with such a late-round pick though. I think it's bad value for us to take a RB in the start of the first round but I'm all for taking one rounds 2 thru 4.
We're all set up for a project tight end.
This a great start to offseason negotiations:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18375089/darrelle-revis-says-new-york-jets-show-class-retain-him
i don't think we could really tell from that article or those comments whether 'show class' means 'don't ask me for a paycut'
'show class' could very well mean 'i want to stay here until i retire so please don't just outright cut me, let's talk about my contract and see if we can work something out that both sides are good with, because i still want to be here'. did his comments mean this? i don't know, but i don't think you could tell either way
the headline looked ominous but it was a pretty empty article with not much substance in it tbh
Open market will decide his price, probably as a safety. I'm ok with us paying a bit more than his next best offer, but we don't need to break the bank for him.I don't even care as long as it isn't $15 million. I don't really care about his money antics. I think he's over the hill, but he is decent enough for a roster spot to me. I'd rather have him than Skrine. Just renegotiate and try to pay him close to the $6 million he's already getting anyway. If he won't, cut him. He has little to no leverage. Let him give his best effort at being a safety or a 2nd corner for another year or move on. No one in their right mind thinks he will be getting his scheduled salary next year.
I don't even care as long as it isn't $15 million. I don't really care about his money antics. I think he's over the hill, but he is decent enough for a roster spot to me. I'd rather have him than Skrine. Just renegotiate and try to pay him close to the $6 million he's already getting anyway. If he won't, cut him. He has little to no leverage. Let him give his best effort at being a safety or a 2nd corner for another year or move on. No one in their right mind thinks he will be getting his scheduled salary next year.His comments are his leverage. Making it seem like the Jets are doing him a disservice by cutting him is his only leverage.
I don't even care as long as it isn't $15 million. I don't really care about his money antics. I think he's over the hill, but he is decent enough for a roster spot to me. I'd rather have him than Skrine. Just renegotiate and try to pay him close to the $6 million he's already getting anyway. If he won't, cut him. He has little to no leverage. Let him give his best effort at being a safety or a 2nd corner for another year or move on. No one in their right mind thinks he will be getting his scheduled salary next year.
We're already paying him $6M next year even if he never plays another snap. freak him.
His lackluster play gives me the impression he's mailed it in. He has his ring, he's swindled enough money for 2 or 3 lifetimes...he should do us all a favor and just retire. I wouldn't trust him to give 100% on the field anymore.That's the problem - does Revis have enough class to give a excrement on the field anymore? Or to show up to camp in shape?
That's the problem - does Revis have enough class to give a excrement on the field anymore? Or to show up to camp in shape?
He has offset language in his contract, so we're only paying him $6M if he doesn't find another team - which he will regardless of how badly he has played this year, because he's still Darrelle Revis.Even then, no other team will pay him more than the vet minimum because either way he can't double dip. The only way it would matter much would be if there was some sort of bidding war amongst other teams for his services above $6 million. Realistically we will only be able to recoup about $1 million from whoever else pays him
Kimberly Jones @KimJonesSports
The #NYG and #NYJ offenses were separated by 23 yards in total offense in '16. NYG (25th overall) had 5291 total yards. NYJ (26th) had 5268.
Kimberly Jones @KimJonesSports
The #NYG and #NYJ offenses were separated by 23 yards in total offense in '16. NYG (25th overall) had 5291 total yards. NYJ (26th) had 5268.
And what's the offensive points scored differential? I'd bet there is a huge disparity here.Probably a good amount, I know the Jets were the 32nd ranked red zone offense going into week 17
Probably a good amount, I know the Jets were the 32nd ranked red zone offense going into week 17
Weren't we like top 5 in the red zone last season? Can't believe how things can change so quickly.
Rich Cimini
Brandon Marshall with an interesting analogy for the Jets' 5-11 season: "The best way I can describe it is, having a diaper on and never changing it. And just sitting in that diaper the whole year. That's how our year was. It was a bad year." (Courtesy: Inside the NFL, Showtime.)
Rich Cimini
Brandon Marshall with an interesting analogy for the Jets' 5-11 season: "The best way I can describe it is, having a diaper on and never changing it. And just sitting in that diaper the whole year. That's how our year was. It was a bad year." (Courtesy: Inside the NFL, Showtime.)
I don't give a excrement what dickheads like Sheldon think of Marshall, I adore the guy and I hope he plays here for a few more years.Sheldon was roommates with Michael Sam for too long. He learned this faggotry through osmosis
Eric Allen @eallenjets · 26m26 minutes ago
Woody Johnson: We're going to build the team through the draft. We'll use the draft primarily and FA/trades judiciously.
good
No matter the results, he needs to commit to the rebuild.
...compared to what we're used to.
Connor Hughes @Connor_J_Hughes 40m40 minutes ago
Woody Johnson says there is no mandate to make playoff next year. Says mandates don't work. #Jets
Future All-Pro Leonard Williams was a bunt single.
KMart_LI: Woody Johnson: “Continuity in some ways allows u to have success bcuz...changing a lot of moving pieces makes it a lot more difficult." #nyj
Get rid of Revis, Marshall, and Richardson. Clean house and build a new culture around Leonard Williams and Quincy Enunwa - the real leaders of this team.And Tanner Purdum.
Yes. Good things to hear. Hope he sticks to it (or his brother does, if Woody ends up going on holiday to the UK for a couple of years).
This presumably also means that Bowles is not under any threat for the next year or two, which will upset a couple of our members greatly.
FTR, I think Woody finally understands what it takes to build a winner with sustainability.
In other words don't listen to you and keep firing everybody.
Strikeouts and bunt singles.
I hope you're talking about the old schmucks that ran things, not Duff.
It's going to be fun when you have a gm, that can make decent picks, which it looks like Duff can do.
So far out of his 13 picks, 1 is cut, 2 developmental qb's, Devon Smith and the rest either starting and/or contributing. That's real good considering the first 6 picks were with an entirely different scouting staff that was basically all fired.
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And que the NY Media saying Lee can't handle the pressures of NYCue
And que the NY Media saying Lee can't handle the pressures of NY
It's a long off season. If he doesn't shoot anyone outside the strip club between now and camp we're good.
what if he stabs someone?
what if he stabs someone?
That's fine as long as he finds a restaurant dumpster to dispose of his suit.
If he gets the blood off his suit he's good to go. Ray Lewis is in the Hall of Fame, no?
Cotchery done playing. I will still keep wearing his jersey.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article130428464.html
I'll always have a soft spot for Jerricho. Dude was fun to watch in the green & white.
I am still pissed they let him walk. It's one of the reasons I began to despise Rex. Cotchery should never ever have been marginalized for worse talent and even worse personalities/people. That was the beginning of the downfall of his regime and the Jets in general.
But if we hadn't let him walk, we'd never have had the joy of watching Derrick Mason screaming at Schotty on the sidelines. What fun times those were.
So we're just folding up the tent, waiting until Brady is 45 and hoping we're good in the 2020s. Good plan. I'll take my vitamins and work on living that long.We don't even have a tent.
We don't even have a tent.
With the Jets expected to dump a lot of vets onto the free agent market this offseason, if they choose to go younger and not sign a ton of free agents, they could be in line for a nice haul in compensatory picks in 2018. Not that anyone should base player selection on that solely, but it could work out as an added bonus to going younger.
You don't get comp picks for cutting guys. Only if they walk on expiring deals. In our case I don't know that we have many.What was I thinking....That was stupid.
What was I thinking....That was stupid.
Yeah even I knew that.Haha. poopchute.
Fitz, Clady and Geno are our biggest free agents, and no one is giving any of them much in the way of a new contract. They'll all find jobs, but not well paid ones (in NFL terms).
Does Clady even count since we declined his option?I think JE is right.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-mailbag-maccagnan-rebuilding-plan-powell-future-article-1.3010240
lolololol
freaking Manish responded to Hobbes' dumb derriere tweet
Rich Cimini
Bowles says he expects Devin Smith to be in the mix at WR. Hints that Jalin Marshall's suspension could hurt place on depth chart. #Jets
Kimberley A. Martin
Q: Do you expect Sheldon Richardson to be on 2017 roster?
Bowles: I expect all the guys to be on the roster right now
Eric Allen
Todd Bowles calls David Harris a warrior, credits his durability. Tells reporters that he will again be the Jets' Mike 'backer. #Jets
Slightly odd choice of words.
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Federal authorities are running nuclear response drills at MetLife Stadium in northern New Jersey.
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Thanks for the mothers day date night and the meat that came with it.
You know that you're getting old when you also admire the iron work on the stairs and curvature of the moulding.
Or gay if you're admiring the stairs instead of decker's wife's butthole
Slightly odd choice of words.
https://twitter.com/CLoprestiWFAN/status/854688568719101952/photo/1
Maybe they can hire him back to do afternoon drive time after the fat stupid boring pig retires later this year
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YOU SHUT YOUR GODDAMN MOUTH OR ILL PUT YOU IN A NURSING HOMEGFY 1
Newsflash, he's already in one.GFY 2
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On a lighter note, TMZ reports Terricka Cromartie is pregnant with Antonio Cromartie's 14th child. Reportedly, Antonio has had a vasectomy ... if true, the man's sperm is downright invincible.
On a lighter note, TMZ reports Terricka Cromartie is pregnant with Antonio Cromartie's 14th child. Reportedly, Antonio has had a vasectomy ... if true, the man's sperm is downright invincible.
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Starting to think maybe the Mets doctors performed Cro’s vasectomy
3:44 PM - 15 May 2017
LOLHahahaha
Put your name on it – punk! Dan Leberfeld
NFL Network personality Daniel Jeremiah quoted an unnamed NFL executive saying, “I think the Jets might have the worst roster I’ve seen in a decade.”
First of all, why is the league’s own network crapping on the Jets, hurting their business? Aren’t the Jets partners in this network?
Secondly, why doesn’t this punk executive put his name on the quote? Did this executive, who clearly lacks integrity, go over every roster, for every team, over the last decade, before reaching this conclusion? Unless this genius did that, his theory is intellectually bankrupt.
Look, I have no idea how the Jets are going to do this year. I’m not Nostradamus. I don’t have a crystal ball.
And neither does the coward executive behind this quote.
Dan Leberfeld fired up.
Jetswhispers lover of the older lady!!!
I don't know who Mike Tanier is but he just became my least favourite NFL writer, and there's some strong competition for that title. This article is every kind of stupid:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2714244-tanking-guessing-flailing-bumbling-rebuilding-jets-style
Starting to work on my Jets roster top 25 for the summer. Give me your top 5 players (no rookies). #nyj
Top 5:
1. Dylan Donahue
2. Dylan Donahue
3. Dylan Donahue
4. Dylan Donahue
5. Dylan Donahue.
He spits hot fire.
I really think Jordan Jenkins will be one of our better players this season
I came up with:
1) Leonard Williams
2) Sheldon Richardson
3) Mohammed Wilkerson
4) Quincy Enunwa
5) everyone else
And added that if you twisted my arm I'd pick between McClendon and Winters for #5.
Holy excrement this roster is bad. If the young guys don't pan out, this team is going to be a laughingstock for years.
Hopefully Darron Lee finds his way in there. I would probably go with Carpenter or Kelvin Beachum at 5. Morris Claiborne if he stays healthy.
Your point is valid though. This roster is devoid of talent.
21. Tanner Purdum
I know we are leaving out rookies, but I know 2, and up to 4-5 could be starters by the end of the year.Yeah, I would assume that at least 2-3 of our rookies would crack my list, but it seems unfair to put them there without having seen them at all in an actual game.
Jamal Adams is instantly one of the five best players on this teamWithout seeing him take a snap in the NFL, I have him chillin at the top with Mo and Williams.
Larry Grantham has died at age 78
I don't know who Mike Tanier is but he just became my least favourite NFL writer, and there's some strong competition for that title. This article is every kind of stupid:A truly moronic article from a new member of the Cimini-Mehta school of hack "journalists"
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2714244-tanking-guessing-flailing-bumbling-rebuilding-jets-style
Larry Grantham has died at age 78
Saw that.
We have an obituary column? Is our 2017 season in there yet?
Brighter news, Leonard Williams will TURN 23 tomorrow. Ridiculous to be that good so early. Give him all the money as soon as the NFL allows.
Leonard and I have something in common, we're both that good so early. I hope he doesn't flame out in two days like I did.
We might be able to get OJ in for a tryout if the people hearing goes well.
http://deadspin.com/okay-seriously-whats-going-on-with-antonio-cromarties-1802708762Author of article
Jesus, I'm living in the wrong thread.
http://www.12up.com/posts/5556843-jets-linebacker-trashes-espn-on-twitter-for-being-clickbait
Jets Linebacker Trashes ESPN on Twitter for Being Clickbait
I like Jordan Jenkins more now.
Brian Costello
Source confirms Jets signed DE David Bass, as @RapSheet said. They cut OLB Freddie Bishop #nyj
Not that Bishop was doing anything, but how many defensive ends does this team need to run a 3-4?He'd be an OLB here I think.
He'd be an OLB here I think.
Dunno if any of you saw this in the pre-game before Oakland but it's pretty damn good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anSm3C61owU
Dunno if any of you saw this in the pre-game before Oakland but it's pretty damn good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anSm3C61owUThat's pretty good.
Kevin Mawae is going into the Ring of Honor on Sunday.
#GetYourTostitosReady
They should fire whoever made that decision. And fire Duff and fire Bowles. Start over! /MBGreen
I didn't see this posted anywhere...Sheron Pike is inactive.
According to this world charone peak has been put on ir.
Captain Jet...what a sloppy fat disgrace
I didn't see this posted anywhere...
According to this world charone peak has been put on ir.
Captain Jet...what a sloppy fat disgrace
I'm sooooo tired when someone comes by ya with a camera and start asking questions name this who played what who did this so I just say I just don't remember I learned this from Wayne Chrebet when one time he passed by us and we tried to call him over he turns his back and scoots away !!! It was like we had the plague as luck would have it 2 months later he was at the stadium and I was in one of the restaurants in my garb and he was their with 3 other people I walked by him looked right thru him I mean like he wasn't there and as I walked away I heard him say boy captain jet didn't even know who I am !!!! well i did !!! And gave the same respect !!!
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Through four weeks
Anderson/Kearse: 30 receptions, 386 yards, 3 TDs
Marshall/Decker: 28 receptions, 243 yards, 0 TDs
I read today where Mangold is still struggling with his foot and unable to play, sounds like he's kind of depressed. Said if he signed with a team he'd have been "stealing checks". Would love to think the Jets have a place in the organization for a guy like that.
Jets currently in a wildcard spot.
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Good time for an 11 week lockout, then straight to the playoffs.
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WHEN YOU PLAY THESE JETS, YA A$$ BETTER COME STRAPPED UP!!!! #JETSNATION keep reppin!!! #JETUP
It would be nice if he "accidentally" ran over Tony Corrente
Is....Is Jeremy Kerley going to kill someone?
Is....Is Jeremy Kerley going to kill someone?
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--AhAZtDD8--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/zzypmujoegofwxs2rukr.jpg)Sitting your a$s on the Flag while guzzling beer
I'm more offended by the straw.Agree
Already this looks like another stud waltzing out the door for a box of biscuits.
Listened to Bowles' interview on ESPN and when asked about the lack of pass rush he said he was more concerned with the run defense. He said once they figured out how to stop the run consistently they'd start shifting gears to the pass rush.
To
I'll admit I haven't paid too much attention to the d line this season. I've been focusing on Lee every play, but in curious williams or Mo are being asked to be less aggressive in 3 down sets to protect o lineman from getting to davis and Lee.
I don't care if it's against the run or pass, Wilkerson is not a good player this season. He hasn't even shown a glimpse of being good.
He is constantly getting driven back off the snap. He looks slow and an uninterested in being out there...like he's playing not to get hurt. At least Leonard Williams hustles.
So far, Manish Mehta was right about this guy.
Thats really unfortunate. I'll have to play closer attention to the d-line this game. I'm tired of watching Darron "Kyle Wilson fingerwagging" Lee anyway
Everyone finger wags. I'm waiting for punters to start doing it now. It would be a challenge to find any player that is present within 5 yards of an incompletion that doesn't do the stupid incomplete sign or finger wag. It's almost like a retarded reflex. I'd be shocked to see a corner break up a pass and do anything other than that. When is the last time you saw anyone break up a pass and not do one of those 2 things? Damn do something different. Do the worm or something.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQOXYB2cd8
I think a memo needs to go out informing the players that it's old and they look stupid doing it, even if they actually made a good play and didn't just witness a shitty pass from 5 yards away.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQOXYB2cd8
Lee has actually been pretty good the last three games. He was awful during the first three games.
The play last week where he shot the gap clean and then whiffed on the RB was such a Darron Lee play.
Darron Lee is a perfect example (along with my take on McCown) of how fans of a team can never be truly happy. We all came into this year thinking "I just hope that even when they lose 12-14 games, they look like a team that cares, is improving, and has a future."
Lee literally embodies all three of those things, but now that we've got a taste of success, we want more (like me with McCown).
The problem with Lee is the expectations based on where he was drafted. If he was a 3rd rounder it would be different.
It's early to judge this year. He's made some plays and missed some. Hopefully he keeps building on the past few games and doesn't have regression. Some guys are a little slower to develop. As long as it keeps progressing and he gets more consistent, I'm not upset.
That's my point. This was supposed to be a really awful year, but the silver lining was the hope that guys would improve and it would look like a young future had potential. Lee's a second-year player who is clearly improving. Is it slower than you'd hope for a first rounder? Sure. But if he were doing what he's doing and the Jets were 0-5 right now, he'd look a lot better. We're just getting greedy now because this team hasn't played as bad as everyone thought they would (and I'm including myself in that).
Who is upset at him?
mike be the gilislee
Nobody. I wasn't implying anyone is.
All I was saying was that everyone's getting greedy. We're all seeing some improvement but now that they're winning, everyone wants to see more faster. It's just natural.
All I was saying was that everyone's getting greedy. We're all seeing some improvement but now that they're winning, everyone wants to see more faster. It's just natural.
You just can't overthink things and worry too much about the big picture because so many things change and unexpected sh*t always happens.
All summer people here were saying the worst case scenario for us is that McCown has a career year and we win 6-8 games, and that looks like what is going to happen. If it does it does, but I'd rather be competitive and not an embarrassment week to week. Let the chips fall where they fall, we land in the draft where we land. That's certainly better than seeing them go out there and get beat by Miami or some other jack*ss team we all hate.
I'd rather endure short-term pain for long-term gain. If I had to watch us get destroyed by the AFC East for 1 year so we can destroy them for the next 10-15 years with a solid franchise QB....I'd make that trade every time.
I'd rather endure short-term pain for long-term gain. If I had to watch us get destroyed by the AFC East for 1 year so we can destroy them for the next 10-15 years with a solid franchise QB....I'd make that trade every time.
EDIT: the key is to make sure you have a solid scouting department and make smart decisions at draft time. I'm optimistic we finally have that in place...after 10 years of failing miserably.
It's times like this I don't understand what people are reading that I'm writing. It was a small observation that it's funny that even when fans come in with low expectations, as soon as those expectations are surpassed, we get greedy and want more. Lee just happens to be a microcosm of the phenomenon.
The reason you're optimistic is because they're winning. If they were losing, you'd be demanding Bowles' and Maccagnan's heads because they wouldn't appear fit to lead the team going forward.
I just think that's the human nature of competitiveness. You're not a sports fan at all if you don't have at least some degree of that, once you get a taste of winning rather than losing that's what you're going for. F*ck losing. Always.
He's still demanding their heads. He's all about the rolling of the heads.
It's times like this I don't understand what people are reading that I'm writing. It was a small observation that it's funny that even when fans come in with low expectations, as soon as those expectations are surpassed, we get greedy and want more. Lee just happens to be a microcosm of the phenomenon.
Anyway...
The reason you're optimistic is because they're winning. If they were losing, you'd be demanding Bowles' and Maccagnan's heads because they wouldn't appear fit to lead the team going forward.
No, I'm optimistic because outside of Hackenberg, I believe Duff drafted well. Even Darren Lee is starting to figure it out.
I still don't think Bowles is the right guy.
And Alio, you're one of the biggest flipfloppers on this board...pot calling kettle black and all that.
I make no claim that I don't change my mind--often--based on evidence. That's not "flipflopping," it's rational scientific thinking.
I was pointing out the two sides of your post. On one hand, you're saying you'd like to see this team lose in the near-term for long-term gains, and on the other, you're saying they finally have a group you're confident with leading this team forward.
I'm saying you can't have it both ways. If this team was losing it would look like the picks Maccagnan made were excrement and you'd say he deserved to be fired.
No, I said I was prepared for short-term pain for long-term gain...because the QB crop is supposed to be a good one in 2018. As a Jets fan, you're well aware of our long standing QB woes. I've always been about winning and pulled for the Jets despite their shortcomings. Our roster is over-achieving this year, it's good and bad given our QB situation. It's nice to Josh McCown play well...but he's not the long term solution. If there was a year to tank for a QB, this was a good year to do it.
My criticism of Bowles is well-documented. I've always supported Duff. He's not perfect (hai hackenberg!)...but he's better than Idzik by a country mile. He also hasn't spent foolishly like Tannenbaum did. Unless you count the money he spent on Fitz, but I believe that was out of necessity.
You're okay with losing if it nets a shot at a great pick. I'm not. And besides, a great pick doesn't assure you a great QB.
I am never okay with a tank. I am never okay with losing. Period.
I don't want to see a rookie quarterback, regardless of how talented or highly rated he is coming out of college, having to figure things out behind this line. You can all bitch and moan about Wilkerson to your heart's content but the biggest problem on this team right now is at center. The amount of pressure that comes up the middle is ridiculous.
I mentioned in one of the draft threads. Draft a QB and load up on OL for the rest of the draft (that would include a Center).
What's probably gonna happen is we'll end up drafting 7 safeties.
The guards are good. Beachum is sort of OK and Shell may or may not work out, although on what I've seen so far my hopes aren't high. Basically the three most important positions on the line need fixing.
I told you...I'm ok with losing THIS year for a shot at a franchise QB. Do I want us to lose? No....but I wouldn't be angry if we did this season because our roster is in a rebuild.
We've been spinning our wheels what feels like forever. Hell, this franchise keeps hiring DCs to be their HC and keeps drafting defensive players in the first round. It's an offensively driven league. I think one losing season which can afford us a shot at a franchise QB is a small price to pay for long term success.
Also...we've beaten Cle, Mia and Jax...not exactly world beaters this year.
I don't want to see a rookie quarterback, regardless of how talented or highly rated he is coming out of college, having to figure things out behind this line. You can all bitch and moan about Wilkerson to your heart's content but the biggest problem on this team right now is at center. The amount of pressure that comes up the middle is ridiculous.
I don't care if they're beating West City Baptist Academy, I just want to watch them win. I also want to keep Morton around for a while to groom his own QB.
You won't get an argument from me on hiring an offensively-minded HC, but right now I'm giving Bowles a chance while Morton handles the offense. He's got this team playing hard every week.
They certainly need to drastically improve the line.
I don't know if you saw my post in the Morton thread, but he's climbing the HC coaching candidate must-have list around the league. We may only have him for a year.
I don't want to see a rookie quarterback, regardless of how talented or highly rated he is coming out of college, having to figure things out behind this line. You can all bitch and moan about Wilkerson to your heart's content but the biggest problem on this team right now is at center. The amount of pressure that comes up the middle is ridiculous.
Our guards are very inconsistent in pass protection as well.
You're okay with losing if it nets a shot at a great pick. I'm not. And besides, a great pick doesn't assure you a great QB.
I am never okay with a tank. I am never okay with losing. Period.
I told you...I'm ok with losing
Because you're a loser. Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser.
Because you're a loser. Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser.
They are, but I think a center who knows what he's doing will help with that.
So if Roger Goodell said we'd give you Aaron Rodgers if you tanked the 2017 season you would say no?
My kid and I are always posing outrageous "You can have X, but you'd have to deal with Y" questions to each other. This is a good one. I want to say I'd say "I'd rather win" but that's a tough call. That's not a draft pick; that's a first-ballot HoF QB in exchange for one lost season.
Promotional video for Buster Skrine's yacht partyHow this thread didn't go straight to yoga girl discussion says alot.
https://twitter.com/busterskrine/status/921160329689812992
How this thread didn't go straight to yoga girl discussion says alot.I assume people just didn't click on the link
How this thread didn't go straight to yoga girl discussion says alot.
This is not "a tough call" at all.
I love sports because they are a microcosm of our society. The QB is by far the most important player on an NFL team, so much so that you can't win a superbowl without a good one. I'm offering you the best one in the league and all you need to do is tank one season, one excrement season for a decade of good seasons, and you're saying maybe? freak off.
People are so shortsighted it drives me freaking wild. It's why we don't invest in education, rehabilitation, or renewable energies, and its leading to the demise of this country. I expect it from younger generations, but not middle aged men.
This is not "a tough call" at all.
I love sports because they are a microcosm of our society. The QB is by far the most important player on an NFL team, so much so that you can't win a superbowl without a good one. I'm offering you the best one in the league and all you need to do is tank one season, one excrement season for a decade of good seasons, and you're saying maybe? freak off.
People are so shortsighted it drives me freaking wild. It's why we don't invest in education, rehabilitation, or renewable energies, and its leading to the demise of this country. I expect it from younger generations, but not middle aged men.
I assume people just didn't click on the link
I know I didn't.
You despise Wes Johnson like I despised Marcus Williams.
I just think he's a demonstrably excrement player who has shown no ability to do anything demanded of the role he's playing other than snap the ball accurately and on time, which is something you could train a monkey to do.
I'd be using our cap space to make Weston Richburg a very wealthy man this offseason.
People are so shortsighted it drives me freaking wild. It's why we don't invest in education, rehabilitation, or renewable energies, and its leading to the demise of this country. I expect it from younger generations, but not middle aged men.
Or maybe when you live long enough to see the people doing the "investing" constantly pissing money away (or stealing it) and not improving anything, you eventually sour on their promises of Utopia.This "I'm older than you so I know better than you" schtick is getting really boring. One, you're not that much older than a number of us, if at all, and two, I've met plenty of people younger than me who are also much smarter as well as people older than me who are considerably more dumb.
Or maybe when you live long enough to see the people doing the "investing" constantly pissing money away (or stealing it) and not improving anything, you eventually sour on their promises of Utopia.
This "I'm older than you so I know better than you" schtick is getting really boring. One, you're not that much older than a number of us, if at all, and two, I've met plenty of people younger than me who are also much smarter as well as people older than me who are considerably more dumb.
If the length of time you've managed to go without dying is the prime argument for the relevance of your opinion, it doesn't speak well of it.
Never said I was smarter than anyone. Point is after hearing the same sh*t for however long and it doesn't happen, I've tended to stop believing in the people saying it, whether it's football or politicians. My tax money has been spent as wisely as the Jets draft picks, at some point you get tired of losing for nothing.
Show me someone who will fight to win the battle even if the result will cause him to lose the war, and I'll show you DCM.
"maybe when you live long enough to see" was a clear statement of "I'm older than you so I know better".
I'm older than I was so I'm smarter than I used to be.
If you're insecure about your own youthful bliss that's your issue, but not what I was talking about.
That's an interesting attempt to turn my words around, but it's clearly not what I said.
If you think that age imparts wisdom then you've clearly learned nothing yet, regardless of how old you are.
If you don't learn anything and gain some wisdom as you age, you're not paying attention. You're the one trying to twist my words.
Remember when this thread used to be about "look at this funny tweet" or "I bought a Jets toaster"?
You claimed to be smarter than someone else because you're older than them. I told you that that doesn't follow.
If that's not what you meant then use words better, oh wise sage.
I didn't claim to be smarter than anyone, just smarter than I used to be.
If you misunderstood it the first time that's on me. Since you continue to belabor the point after I've clarified it more than once, you're just being a pretentious tool.
That's not a Halloween costume.
Shut it, old man. You're the living embodiment of old and dumb.
I have come a long way, no fat ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIYM-I4sJKU
Remember when this thread used to be about "look at this funny tweet" or "I bought a Jets toaster"?https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTUZeTCUkAAGIfj?format=jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTUZeTCUkAAGIfj?format=jpg
Nsfw
Stop posting pictures of PUCK without his consent.
Correction. I had sex with Katie.One of my top 5 moments in that show's history.
One of my top 5 moments in that show's history.Everyone should have a buddy named Lysol.
Probably shouldn't have drafted him high in the first round if you thought he was just good enough.
I get that it's fun to bash Rex, but he'd literally just arrived from being Baltimore's DC. I'm willing to bet the only time he'd ever seen Sanchez play was watching dudes on the other side of the ball trying to knock him down, and even then there were only 16 rolls of tape. As the new head coach, if the GM's saying "we've got no quarterback and there's this kid we've scouted the hell out of and fallen in love with" I'm betting he had little real choice but to go along with it.
Then he should have said that instead of "I knew he'd never be a franchise QB". I would have never bashed the guy for being part of the group that drafted him and it not working out, but no need to come out and make that statement. Especially since the guy is still in the league. I liked Rex when he was here. Saying that is all hindsight. Rex isn't some wizard that can predict the future of QBs. Dick comment.
I remember reading that Rex and Tanny went to a Sanchez workout and Rex basically blew his load over the kid. He begged Tanny for him and then drags his name through the mud 8 years later. I loved Rex when he got here but this just shows what an egotistical piece of excrement he is.Rex was all over Sanchez at the combine.
How in the name of living freak can any of you remember who was saying what at a combine 8 freaking years ago? Are you all autistic?
It’s about that time of the year where I suggest that we bring back Rex
I remember hating the Sanchez pick. Everyone was saying he should have gone back to school.
This is the time of year I wait for the Knicks and Jets to sync up their records for a day or two. Knicks are actually going to have to up their game, like win one first.
Knicks are 2-3 now, so assuming the Jets lose to Buffalo again, a simple 1-3 will get them even. Even 2-2 is doable if the Jets win.
No one cares about basketball, it sucks. Find Junc and play with his balls, I mean find him and play ball.
Koz loves basketball.
No one cares about basketball, it sucks. Find Junc and play with his balls, I mean find him and play ball.
McCown is the first Jets QB to have a comp% over 70% in 5 of the first 9 games since Favre in 2008, and the first Jets QB to have a passer rating over 100 in 6 of the first 9 since Esiason in '93.
that's pretty freaking sad when you think about it.
that's pretty freaking sad when you think about it.
Ryan Fitzpatrick led the Jets' best offense ever. This team's entire history at the position is disgusting.
These are all distorted numbers, neither 2015 or this year are playoff teams. You get an automatic first down now when a DB looks at you wrong, Comparing it to years past is skewed, we've had a lot of good offensive teams, much better than 2015 or 2017.
Until you realize QB rating is a pretty useless stat.
One more win and Bart Scott gets Chris Canty's Bentley (http://www.espn.com/espnradio/newyork/play/_/id/20624383)Can't wait!
Can't wait!
I hope Bart gets that Bentley and not just because I am a Jets fan. On that audio clip he (Canty) sounded so smug.My Giants will be 9-7 or 10-6...
I can't stop watching these #JetsDanceToAnything twitter videos. I've seen like 15 of them already.
I can't stop watching these #JetsDanceToAnything twitter videos. I've seen like 15 of them already.
Doing a purge of the people I follow on Twitter. For some reason I was still f-f-f-following Ellis Lankster.
Edit: Tyler Bray, wtf
Ricky Sapp? Jace Amaro? Damarcus Ganaway?Terrance was better
I forgot Ganaway's name. I googled, "Jets WR Steiny" and it was the first result.
Ricky Sapp? Jace Amaro? Damarcus Ganaway?Jace Amaro, Aaron Maybin, Josh Bush...
I forgot Ganaway's name. I googled, "Jets WR Steiny" and it was the first result.
Only Jet player I ever followed was Nick Mangold.because you had the hots for Holly?
because you had the hots for Holly?Bologna funbags ftw
Bologna funbags ftw
if she doesn't have Tron Discs for aureolas, Puck is your uncle.Hahaha. Almost puked up dinner you poopchute.
Dennis Waszak Jr.
That “foot” injury Mo Wilkerson has been dealing with? GM Mike Maccagnan inadvertently revealed that it’s a broken toe. So, Mo has dealt with that and shoulder sprain early in season. #Jets
Brian Costello has become the worst NYJ beat writer.He's reached Manish and Cimini levels of awful
Cimini isn't that bad. He's corny and beats the buttfumble thing to death, but there's worse out there.
JetsWhispers is the worst, because he's stuck in a timeline set 6 months ago.
Connor Hughes is pretty reasonable most of the time.
Brian Costello has become the worst NYJ beat writer.
Cimini isn't that bad. He's corny and beats the buttfumble thing to death, but there's worse out there.
Rich Cimini
Searching for a PR/WR, the Jets brought in Lucky Whitehead for a visit last wk, per source. Attempting comeback after breaking foot in preseason. Will be option when he's healthy. For now, McGuire listed as PR. #Jets
Just heard from a league source that the New York #Jets love Josh Allen. Wyoming source told me they've done the most work on him.https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/931206641860665345?s=17 (https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/931206641860665345?s=17)
12:05 PM · Nov 16, 2017
Per Matt Miller:
https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/931206641860665345?s=17 (https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/931206641860665345?s=17)
Mauldin cleared of charges.
https://nypost.com/2017/11/21/jets-linebacker-dodges-charges-in-club-beatdown/amp/
Now he can return to mediocrity for the Jets.
Someone just gave me a 2018 Jets calendar, February is Sheldon Richardson. How far ahead do they make these things?
Someone just gave me a 2018 Jets calendar, February is Sheldon Richardson. How far ahead do they make these things?
My Wife buys me a Jet Calendar every year as part of my Christmas; as far as I remember the manufacturer always puts who they think is the team star on the cover for December - ultimately they are either finished because of injury or have over stayed their welcome - this year Mo Wilkerson. It's like the cover of Madden.
My Wife buys me a Jet Calendar every year as part of my Christmas; as far as I remember the manufacturer always puts who they think is the team star on the cover for December - ultimately they are either finished because of injury or have over stayed their welcome - this year Mo Wilkerson. It's like the cover of Madden.
Yeah, someone got me one a few years ago and most of the guys weren't even on the team anymore. One was Sanchez, Josh Bush was one month, terrible.
They should make a vintage one, 12 all-time favorites like Namath, Klecko, Walker, Martin, Rex, Tannenbaum etc.
Fixed
I've just got to ask.
Who the freak still uses calendars?
I've just got to ask.
Who the freak still uses calendars?
I like to know what day of the week it is from time to time.
Do you do math on an abacus?
Math is for nerds
I did a double take because at first glance I thought that was Kerry Rhodes in the cap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGYxYEgIa70&feature=youtu.be
Our coach made a nice little Marvel cameo it seems.
With Thomas Jones in season one I think we can consider this a tradition now.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice this.
The Jets still aren’t getting much respect from Vegas oddsmakers.
Despite a litany of free-agent additions and Sam Darnold’s arrival, only the Browns and Cardinals have a worse over/under win total projection than the Jets’ six, according to Westgate SuperBook.
Manish
I don't think that's unreasonable. Assuming Darnold either won't play much or won't be all pro as a rookie and we have an offense devoid of talent and a young defense lacking pass rushers.
Things are looking up, but expectations should be low for this season
I don't think that's unreasonable. Assuming Darnold either won't play much or won't be all pro as a rookie and we have an offense devoid of talent and a young defense lacking pass rushers.
Things are looking up, but expectations should be low for this season
We didn't add any probowlers
It's not littered with pro-bowl players, but its definitely a significant improvement over last year.
Exactly this.
Obviously, SoS matters, but there's no way this team isn't better than the one they fielded last season. Even if Darnold is the 3rd string, the QB position is improved from last year. Even if Bridgewater isn't "good" he's better than either Petty or Hackenberg.
The receiver group is better. Even discounting Pryor, Enunwa improves on last year's unit. Drafting Herndon helps the passing game at least as much as ASJ (hopefully).
The secondary is significantly better. Claiborne was the best corner on the team last year. Now, he's the second, and they drafted Nickerson who is likely at least as good as Skrine.
Crowell is an upgrade over what Forte was giving. They almost certainly upgraded center from last year. And it would be difficult for the plethora of defensive linemen to result in worse play than Wilkerson gave last year.
There isn't a single unit on this team that got worse this offseason. I'm reluctant to sunshine, but there's no way this team wins fewer games than last year.
Exactly this.
Obviously, SoS matters, but there's no way this team isn't better than the one they fielded last season. Even if Darnold is the 3rd string, the QB position is improved from last year. Even if Bridgewater isn't "good" he's better than either Petty or Hackenberg.
The receiver group is better. Even discounting Pryor, Enunwa improves on last year's unit. Drafting Herndon helps the passing game at least as much as ASJ (hopefully).
The secondary is significantly better. Claiborne was the best corner on the team last year. Now, he's the second, and they drafted Nickerson who is likely at least as good as Skrine.
Crowell is an upgrade over what Forte was giving. They almost certainly upgraded center from last year. And it would be difficult for the plethora of defensive linemen to result in worse play than Wilkerson gave last year.
There isn't a single unit on this team that got worse this offseason. I'm reluctant to sunshine, but there's no way this team wins fewer games than last year.
I agree with most of that EXCEPT QB. McCown is older and one of the oldest players in the league, coming off an injury, and last year was the best season of his career. It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect a drop off from him,hell look what happened from Fitz. He went from the best season of his career to absolute trash.
Bridgewater is an upgrade at backup, if he's healthy. Which is a huge if and we have no idea what kind of drop off there will be since he hasn't played in a long time.
We also lost one of the most talented players on the team even if he was a fat lazy slob who didn't give a freak about trying last year.
And tight end is definitely a downgrade as well. Herndon could be the man, I like the pick. But I wouldn't expect him to come out guns blazing and have a better season than a vet who was revitalizing his career.
We also lost Demario Davis who had probably the best season of his career as well and was one of the best in the league at his position
Overall this team got much better and younger, but it might take a year or two for some of those players to pay dividends
I completely disagree.
McCown shouldn't have that big a slide backwards, and may never even play a snap in a real game this year. Bridgewater is better than Petty or Hackenberg. Petty wasn't even a backup QB by the end of last season, and Hackenberg still couldn't get reps over him.
Xavier Cooper played better than Wilkerson last year. Hell, apart from penalties, Pennel played as well as Wilk. The DL didn't get worse, we'll just have to see if it got better.
ASJ was a guy I really liked and wanted to keep, but his actual production last year was very replaceable.
Davis was let go for a younger version of himself.
There isn't a single position on this entire team that took a step backwards apart from possibly kicker.
^Well, then we just disagree.
Sure ASJs production is replaceable, but to expect a 4th round rookie coming off a significant injury to step in and pick up where he left off isn't realistic.
He had the best season of his career and he's 39 years old coming off a season ending injury. You HAVE to assume he's taking a step back. Whether it's just one of multiple who knows.
Bridgewater is better than them I don't debate that. But if he's healthy, and how much he's lost getting over his injury is very much in question.
And even with Wilkerson sucking he surely still was focused and game planned around, opening up opportunities for his teammates. Now Williams is going to get everything thrown at him, making his life more difficult.
Sure ASJs production is replaceable, but to expect a 4th round rookie coming off a significant injury to step in and pick up where he left off isn't realistic.
And I hope Williamson is that good
The teams looking so much better, but many of these moves are a long term approach and aren't short sighted win now moves.
Could we do better this year absolutely, I just don't think it's a near sure thing that's all
The major positive to ASJ was that his story was inspiring and he was a good clubhouse guy. Sure, he made some athletic catches, but he didn't do much else. His production is replaceable; the only question is whether his intangibles are.
That's a good point, perception of who the person is and what they could be is driving this attachment to ASJ. If ASJ was an undrafted Free agent that we let walk, would we care? I think we're attached to ASJ because he was previously a first round pick.
ASJ had more catches last year with his 3 game suspension, than all Jets tight ends did the previous 3 years combined.
Yes, he was better than literally not having a tight end.
He also didn't get caught jerking off at target which is pretty impressive
Williamson is an upgrade over Davis and, if healthy, Anderson should be an upgrade over what we got from Wilk last season so I'd argue that the front seven will be improved as well.
The only real hole on this defense is, as always, at edge rusher. I'm hoping (really wishing) that Mauldin has a bit of a rebound. If he doesn't, there will probably be a constant rotation of guys coming off the bench across from Jenkins.
Would be nice if Bowles could scheme up a pass rush the way Rex did in 2009 with his blitzes.
Rex can't even do that any longer.Well duh. Teams figured it out by the next season and he never adjusted.
Well duh. Teams figured it out by the next season and he never adjusted.
In this scenario I'm hoping we could do something like that for a year and land a real paas rush threat (or two) in 2019.
I expect them to pick up a vet before the season starts. I'm hoping for Marcedes Lewis. He's a little over the hill, but he can do a bit of everything and we're giving him an opportunity to start. Its also likely one of the titans/bears Tight ends get cut.Speak of the devil. Rumors are Coby Fleener may get cut. Would be a great discount signing
Speak of the devil. Rumors are Coby Fleener may get cut. Would be a great discount signing
i'm glad he said all of that, it's very good, but did he also say that he felt he had to vote for the proposition because he felt he needed to be one with the group?
Caveat: the guy who wrote this is quite irritating at times, particularly in his abiding love for Geno Smith. That said, I think it's an interesting analysis even though I disagree with some bits of it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/8osvak/looking_at_the_jets_offense_in_2018/
Thomas Rawls and Bilal Powell are battling for the final spot and this could be more of a toss up than it looks.
No.
Caveat: the guy who wrote this is quite irritating at times, particularly in his abiding love for Geno Smith.
Kellen Winslow Jr. burglarizing some posh pad in the trailer park. Held on $50k bond. The mighty have fallen.
https://nypost.com/2018/06/08/ex-jet-kellen-winslow-jr-arrested-for-alleged-burglary/
Kellen Winslow Jr. allegedly raped at least 2 women in their 50s -- and tried to rape at least two more, including an 86-year-old woman ... this according to law enforcement.
Kellen allegedly kidnapped and raped a 54-year-old woman in March.
He allegedly kidnapped and sodomized a 59-year-old woman in May.
Holy freakI guess he got tired of whacking off to baked chicken.
http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/15/kellen-winslow-targeted-and-raped-elderly-women/
Naturally he's in a Jets jersey in every thumbnail.
Dudes brains gotta look like Aaron Hernandezs. There's simply no other explanation for that excrement
once people are this far gone, im all for execution. theyve got 0 to offer society and are a danger. to save the tax payers money, itll be done with an old school firing squad. that way we can throw the whole "more expensive to execute than life in prison" argument out the window.
I mean if saving money is the primary concern then getting a bigger tight end to hit him with a brick would probably be cheaper.
Rex has been dropped from the commentary team for our MNF opener against Detroit, and replaced with Brian Griese.
Shouldn't we be starting camp some time soon?
TC opens this week
Good. New excrement to argue about and ban each other for. Cheers.Reported.
Good. New excrement to argue about and ban each other for. Cheers.
Did anyone see this weird story? This family has been working for the Jets for a long time and suddenly the guy got canned.
https://nypost.com/2018/07/26/jets-fire-behind-the-scenes-lifer-in-mysterious-move/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons (https://nypost.com/2018/07/26/jets-fire-behind-the-scenes-lifer-in-mysterious-move/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons)
I read that yesterday. I guess it's always possible that he said or did something that warranted it. All that's known is that he got fired and Rex Ryan said he was a good guy while he was here.
Unbeknownst to teammates and many in the organization, McCown participated in a program designed to help optimize cognitive performance. Throughout the season, he took a 30-mile Uber ride into Manhattan for weekly neuro feedback sessions that lasted 45 minutes to an hour. He passed the time in rush-hour traffic by studying game film on his tablet as he prepared for "my brain work," as he calls it. He followed up with his personal consultants by phone -- two conversations per week. The objective, in layman's terms, was to create the best version of himself every Sunday.
Kind of interesting
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/76649/josh-mccown-reveals-secret-to-late-career-success-brain-training
McCown credits some weird brain training program with his late career uptick. Dude was dedicated to it
The article is much longer and goes more into depth but basically McCown was getting some work on his Brain all year
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1023684832583401472
Jets confirming new jerseys for 2019.
There's a decent chance we'll hate them too. Be careful what you wish for. They'll probably make them all black because that's what everyone seems to want to do these days.
Our look is simple and classic. I’m concerned we will end up with something ridiculous and new age (see jags previous helmets or Bucs Numbers) and no one wants excrement like that.I hope they base them on this hideous hat:
There's a decent chance we'll hate them too. Be careful what you wish for. They'll probably make them all black because that's what everyone seems to want to do these days.
Just bring back the Kelly Green unis.
Somehow the Jets were 3rd in Home attendance in 2017.Puck giving those free BJs to ticket holders in the parking lot really paid off.
Puck giving those BJs to ticket holders in the parking lot for tostito's really paid off.
Sounds like a good thing to do if money and time are no objects.
Field Yates @FieldYates
Source: veteran WR Eric Decker worked out for the Patriots on Monday. The team is currently dealing with some injury issues at WR (Kenny Britt, Malcolm Mitchell, Jordan Matthews).
If Decker were to join the Patriots to fill in for Edelman, would he convert to "scrappy"?
No, he'd convert to "dead to me".
Jessie in Patriots gear would be a downer.Jessie in anything but lingerie would be a downer
Jessie in anything but lingerie would be a downer
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/09/jets-coach-todd-bowles-gets-serious-about-getting-himself-in-shape/amp/
All right. Let’s get back to what happened with the Jets firing you.
I’m a strong believer of where the pass rush matches the coverage. This was one of the things that I could not get done with the Jets; I could not get the pass rush and the coverage together.
Why?
Because that wasn’t part of the philosophy of the secondary coach. And a lot of people didn’t understand that.
Joe Danna?
Yeah. And Todd. He pretty much ran everything. What probably has me sitting at home now is me sharing this information with Todd, and no one else heard of it. Kacy [Rodgers, the Jets’ defensive coordinator] didn’t know that either, so he talked over it, and he went around it. We didn’t take time out to put emphasis on the coverage.
But how was the pass rush not matching the coverage?
If we are pushing the pocket and the secondary guys are [playing] off, then it’s just pitch and catch [for the offense]. If we’re pushing the pocket and your guys are close, now the pass rush is matching the coverage. If your guys are off and we’re shooting moves, or we’re running pass-rush games, now the pass rush matches the coverage. Because now the coverage is playing for down-the-field passes and we’re rushing the quarterback for down the field passes.
This seems like pretty straightforward stuff. It seems odd to me that an NFL team wouldn’t have that kind of basic synergy on its defense.
You have a problem with—I’m trying my best to put this mildly—of authority. Like, some people, if it’s not their ideals, then they don’t want to use them. Because they’re not getting credit for that.
Are you referring to Todd here? Kacy?
I’m going to tell you this. Todd really could care less. In my experience of dealing with him for two years, he really could care less. So I’m telling on myself.
On Wilk and Sheldon missing meetings...
Everybody knows those guys missed, or were late, for so many meetings. And somebody wanted to stick a mic in my face or turn a camera on and ask me, but they never were late for my meetings. They were late for the team meetings, they were late for the head coach’s meetings. So that’s on the head coach—and I can’t discipline them anyway, and the players know that.
On not getting the personnel he wanted...
It was different philosophies. We never sat down and discussed—like, it wasn’t a care. ‘Pepper, what would you like to have? Or who would you like to have?’ It wasn’t. As a matter of fact, in my mind, it got worse the second year, ‘16, than it did in ‘15. Because now it seemed like everything came from upstairs.
Upstairs? You mean [GM Mike] Maccagnan?
Yeah. Maccagnan. When we drafted Leonard [Williams]. Now this is definitely a story to [laughs]—you can do with it whatever you want.
[laughs]Okay. But Leonard fell to you guys. The whole world thought he’d get taken in the top three, but you guys got him at six.
The whole world except Pepper. Leonard wasn’t the No. 1 guy on my to-do list. I had him as a first-round pick and all that, and I was more than happy to get him. But the style of defense that we did, or that we were doing, he did not fall into that category for me to be that No. 1.
I wish I read his take on us drafting Leo before I read anything else...
Actually, I wish that I didn't read any of that.
Sounds like some truth and some bitter bitch.Yep. I'm sure there's some truth to it, and I'm not a Bowles fan, so I'm willing to buy some of it, but you gotta take it with a grain of salt since he has an axe to grind.
https://nypost.com/2018/09/05/was-leonard-williams-a-jets-draft-mistake/
I hate this guy. He is the worst writer on the Jets beat.
Costello is trying to backtrack on twitter saying it wasn't a knock on Leo.
I think i may finally relent and subscribe to the Athletic. It seems that's where all the decent sports journalists end up.
Meh
That really was a excrement "article." Who would the Jets have on the defensive line right now if they hadn't taken Williams? Assume they kept Richardson, that means no Kearse, and maybe no Darnold either. Wilkerson wrote his own ticket out of town because he got paid then put his feet up on the desk.
Even if we assume he wasn't disparaging Williams, what's his answer to "who the freak would man the line" if they didn't draft him?
Manish is out here praising the Jets so Costello is now trying to rile up the SOJF crowd.
Luvu had a TFL and a PD last night. Anyone have a picture of his eyeblack?No, but while you're at it, can anyone pull the pic of the lone Lions fan in the frame last night, with about 6 minutes to go, towel on head and bearing an eerie resemblance to Badger?
You just blew my cover. I was *this* close to taking down Patricia.Watch out when he falls, he's fatter than championship Rex.
Did Nickerson play enough to say whether he was actually an asset or liability in his spot? Couldn't tell how long he was actually in for.
Did Nickerson play enough to say whether he was actually an asset or liability in his spot? Couldn't tell how long he was actually in for.
Apparently Aqib Talib was on ESPN saying he thinks the Jets have a "great" shot at winning the division. I don't know if even Jets fans are that high on the hype wagon yet
The Jets aren’t supposed to have quarterbacks you believe in. Jets quarterbacks are meant to terrify you. It’s supposed to feel like handing your car keys to a squirrel.
Sam Darnold praised Quincy Enunwa, saying "it's awesome to be able to throw to him."
"He's smooth but he is also physical," Darnold said. "He is very sudden, a very quick dude. It's awesome to be able to throw to him. The routes he runs are very crisp, but very violent. It's cool to be able to ... see how much separation he creates for himself."
I think Darnold jizzed his pants at the end of that paragraph.
Dylan Donahue hit with a 14 game suspension yikes
Seems a but much no?What does your chart say?
Seems a but much no?He's had two accidents when he was driving drunk, and the details of both are pretty bad. Usually that's 10 games but I'm fine with him getting 14. His season is definitely over and his career is almost certainly over either way.
Seems a but much no?No.
He's had two accidents when he was driving drunk, and the details of both are pretty bad. Usually that's 10 games but I'm fine with him getting 14. His season is definitely over and his career is almost certainly over either way.
I'm against drunk driving and everything but usually they get a pass for the first issue they have in the league. So a season seems like a lot for a dwiHe went the wrong way down the Lincoln Tunnel and is lucky he didn't kill someone including himself. Nothing but luck stopped him from facing vehicular manslaughter charges.
He went the wrong way down the Lincoln Tunnel and is lucky he didn't kill someone including himself. Nothing but luck stopped him from facing vehicular manslaughter charges.
Dante stallworth killed someone. Joe mixon punched a girl in the face.
Not arguing for him. Just seems random
Dante stallworth killed someone. Joe mixon punched a girl in the face.Random, yes. Deserved, yes.
Not arguing for him. Just seems random
The Jets were prepared to beat that offer if need be, the sources said, but were never presented with the opportunity.
For anyone who thought the Jets should have gone harder for Mack
CEO Christopher Johnson, the acting owner, has no intention of retreating to the background when big brother Woody Johnson returns from his appointment as the U.S. ambassador to the United Kingdom. He likes the job too much ("It's a great gig"), and he absolutely believes he can make a significant contribution for the long term.
This is good news for the organization because Christopher has improved the culture at One Jets Drive (ask any player) and provided leadership through a painful rebuilding process. The only question is whether he can be tough enough to drop the hammer if the program starts to go sideways or backward.
"I'm having the time of my life," Johnson said this past week. "If I was having that much fun with a five-win season, imagine how much fun I'll be having if we actually start killing it. I'm hopeful we can do that.
"I'm looking forward to my brother coming back in a few years. He's a great leader, but no question, I'm hoping to have a larger role at that point than I had prior. I think he'd welcome that. I know he would. I think I have a new perspective at this point that would be valuable for the franchise."
Woody Johnson still follows his team from across the pond. In fact, he called Christopher on Tuesday morning ("way too early") to discuss the big win Monday night. Woody attended the Jets-Giants preseason game, keeping a low profile in the owner's box. His ambassadorship lasts another two years, so his little brother still has time to cast his imprint on the franchise. If he's smart, Woody will let Christopher continue to run the show when he returns to the States.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-continue-search-for-impact-pass-rusher-would-have-topped-bears-offer-for-khalil-mack/
For anyone who thought the Jets should have gone harder for Mack
Looks like the Jets are recognising the issue with the line.
It looks like they haven't because all of those players are horrible linemen.
Beatty used to be decent, but he's old and injury prone. I doubt they're looking at any of them as starters, and I have exactly zero faith in our depth. Dozier and Qvale are both horrible.Dozier is ok as a backup. Qvale isn't an NFL tackle.
Dozier is ok as a backup. Qvale isn't an NFL tackle.
https://twitter.com/DLeeMG8/status/1045843587286618112?s=19
Boomer Esiason just said we're trying to trade for Chandler Jones...please based football god, please
Boomer Esiason just said we're trying to trade for Chandler Jones...
You mean the guy we should have taken instead of Coples years ago?
Are you referring to David DeCastro?
We all wanted DeCastro and knew we would never draft a guard high. But there was tons of chatter the week before the draft we could take Jones. Then Coples was still on the board and Rex couldn’t resist that lazy freak
#TeamIngram
#stillbetterthancoples
#TeamIngramI was split between DeCastro, Jeffery, and Ingram. Didn't expect Coples to be there.
Source: former Cowboys WR Brice Butler visited the Jets today. They’re thin at wideout right now due to injuries to Quincy Enunwa and Robbie Anderson.
Trash
Bruce Irvin has been cut by the Raiders, per @VicTafur. Was a player they reportedly tried to trade before the deadline.
Would definitely like to see us pick him up.
Would definitely like to see us pick him up.
Same. Didn't want to trade for him but I'd love to sign him.Eugene Melnyk
Has anyone ever tanked a franchise as hard and as fast as Jon Gruden has tanked the Raiders? Trent Baalke is the only person who comes to mind.
Eugene Melnyk
Yeah but in a real sport.
We will strap your fat derriere to some skates and see how great you are in a fake sport. My guess is you should stick to your couch.
In a pretty much lost season, we can hang our hat on this...temporarilyDoes that include how many times teams have kneeled out against us
https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1060190670386806784
In a pretty much lost season, we can hang our hat on this...temporarily
https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1060190670386806784
The reply graphic is really the telling one, and why I don't understand how someone on the defense hasn't knocked out someone on offense yet.
First in defensive forced 3-and-outs (40.3%), but second-worst in offensive 3-and-outs (44.9%).
The reply graphic is really the telling one, and why I don't understand how someone on the defense hasn't knocked out someone on offense yet.
First in defensive forced 3-and-outs (40.3%), but second-worst in offensive 3-and-outs (44.9%).
"Really the telling one"?
Is it somehow a surprise to you that the defense is currently more talented than the offense?
Why are you so determined to be the SOJF, looking for the misery in every single thing? Why are you incapable of seeing a single positive?
"Really the telling one"?
Is it somehow a surprise to you that the defense is currently more talented than the offense?
Why are you so determined to be the SOJF, looking for the misery in every single thing? Why are you incapable of seeing a single positive?
So basically 1/2 of all drives in a jets game this season (for either team) are 3 and outs? No wonder our games are awful to watch
Yeah that is a depressing statistic.
I don't think anyone is surprised as much as they are annoyed at the waste. The defense, despite it's dominant play is not worth much over all if the offense cannot contribute.
Tough to find positives when this team has been mired in excrement for 7 seasons.
But the future is bright...we just need the Jets to hire a proper coaching staff before that gets snuffed out too.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/09/christian-hackenberg-heads-to-the-aaf/
The Hack is back and on the attack!
Odds on @LeVeonBell's next team up at @betonline_ag:
New York Jets 3/1
Oakland Raiders 5/1
Philadelphia Eagles 7/1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 7/1
Green Bay Packers 7/1
San Francisco 49ers 9/1
Baltimore Ravens 9/1
Indianapolis Colts 9/1
Houston Texans 12/1
I do not want LeVeon Bell. Fuckin guy is probably hitting a blunt somewhere doin the Jadakiss laugh and talking excrement on Twitter
Pittsburgh is proving that if you have a good scheme and run block well, a lot of guys can run effectively. Proving again, Denver did it for years with different backs.
Do you know what those teams also have/had? Consistency at hc
Well, I've been saying forever it's counterproductive to blow up the whole thing when it isn't necessary. When we had a solid line we had the #1 running game, wasn't that long ago. But those guys got old and we canned the guy who understood you need to have an O-line, so we're here.
Rex never built that solid oline. In fact, he thought Wayne Hunter was good.
Unless you're referring to Mangini. But you never run to his defense, so i'll assume it was Rex you were talking about.
Wrong twice, par for the course.
Tannenbaum drafted Mangold and Brick with the first two picks of his tenure, understanding that all the skill players in the world don't help you if you can't block. Those guys carried us all the way up to the Bowles era.
In all fairness, Tanngini also decided that the line was good enough to do without a million dollar raise for Pete Kendall. And that was of course the year our franchise quarterback died.
Oh excrement, i forgot you dry-humped Tannenbaum too. I should've known better.
Eric Mangini made those draft picks
Ok, we fired him too, after a 9-7 season that started 8-3.
this is the only mis-fire that i agree with you on.
With you on #FireBowles too.
I guess we'll need winter parkas when we eventually end up in hell.
Costello nails it here:
NY Post (https://nypost.com/2018/11/27/jets-fans-already-settling-in-for-their-dreary-winter-tradition/)
Yes and no. He kind of loses it at the end where he starts trying to claim that the Knicks going to the Finals in a lockout-affected season 20 years ago somehow means that they've had it better than Jets fans who were watching the team in back to back AFCCGs in the last ten years.
Yeah, depends on how big a picture you want to look at and how. As a guy 51 I see what he's saying, I had a good 10 year run of the Knicks being an absolute elite team, also went 7 with the Rockets in the 1994 Finals. I've been watching the Jets since 1974 and have never even seen them in a Super Bowl. If you chop it down to post 2000, the Jets have been far better than the Knicks, but that's a low bar.
That's fair. You've seen a bunch of Stanley Cups though so you're not getting any sympathy from me.
#Jets top 5 defensive players so far this season (min. 300 snaps):
1. Jamal Adams-88.3
2. Marcus Maye- 81.7
3. Avery Williamson- 75.0
4. Henry Anderson- 74.0
5. Darryl Roberts- 73.3
Brian Costello
Verified account
@BrianCoz (https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1070691309625724928)
If the Titans win tonight, the Jets will be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, per @EliasSports #nyj
9:47 AM - 6 Dec 2018
Probably to replace Shell. I still haven't seen what the extent of the injury was.Hopefully it's an MCL injury or something that can be recovered from over the offseason and not an ACL injury
Hopefully it's an MCL injury or something that can be recovered from over the offseason and not an ACL injury
Jordan Jenkins has 7.0 sacks this season. He's the first Jet linebacker with that many in one season since Calvin Pace had 10.0 in 2013.
On the bright side, I can't remember a better crop of pass rushers potentially available in free agency. Demarcus Lawrence, Jadeveon Clowney, Dee Ford, Trey Flowers all have the potential to break free...
I just wrote about this in the Defensive Rankings thread. There's a lot of pass-rushing talent potentially set for free agency. I'd love to add talent via cash and then draft a lot of young offensive players to help Darnold.
On the bright side, I can't remember a better crop of pass rushers potentially available in free agency. Demarcus Lawrence, Jadeveon Clowney, Dee Ford, Trey Flowers all have the potential to break free...
With all our money, and the dearth of offensive guys available... I would not be surprised if we went after two of them.
I would not be upset with a FA class of Leveon Bell, Demarcus Lawrence and Jadeveon Clowney.
Josh McCown QB 40 NYJ TBD $10,000,000 UFA -
Avery Williamson ILB 27 NYJ TBD $7,500,000 UFA -
Morris Claiborne CB 29 NYJ TBD $7,000,000 UFA -
Buster Skrine CB 30 NYJ TBD $6,250,000 UFA -
James Carpenter G 30 NYJ TBD $4,775,000 UFA -
Jermaine Kearse WR 29 NYJ TBD $4,500,000 UFA -
Bilal Powell RB 30 NYJ TBD $3,750,000 UFA -
Steve McLendon DT 33 NYJ TBD $3,500,000 UFA -
Quincy Enunwa WR 27 NYJ TBD $2,914,000 UFA Market Value
Benjamin Ijalana RT 30 NYJ TBD $2,500,000 UFA -
Rontez Miles FS 30 NYJ TBD $1,907,000 UFA -
Brent Qvale RT 28 NYJ TBD $1,907,000 UFA -
Neal Sterling TE 27 NYJ TBD $1,907,000 UFA -
Josh Martin OLB 27 NYJ TBD $1,900,000 UFA -
Jeremiah Attaochu OLB 25 NYJ TBD $1,365,000 UFA -
Brandon Copeland DE 28 NYJ TBD $1,200,000 UFA -
Andre Roberts WR 31 NYJ TBD $1,005,000 UFA -
Rishard Matthews WR 29 NYJ TBD $915,000 UFA -
Dakota Dozier G 28 NYJ TBD $880,000 UFA -
Jonotthan Harrison C 28 NYJ TBD $880,000 UFA -
Emmanuel Lamur OLB 29 NYJ TBD $790,000 UFA -
Henry Anderson DE 28 NYJ TBD $720,529 UFA -
Neville Hewitt OLB 26 NYJ TBD $705,000 UFA -
Jason Myers K 28 NYJ TBD $705,000 UFA -
Eric Tomlinson TE 27 NYJ TBD $630,000 RFA -
Bronson Kaufusi DE 28 NYJ TBD $630,000 RFA -
Davis Webb QB 24 NYJ TBD $605,000 ERFA -
Darryl Roberts CB 28 NYJ TBD $583,556 UFA -
Doug Middleton FS 25 NYJ TBD $555,000 RFA -
Jeremy Clark CB 25 NYJ TBD $555,000 ERFA -
De'Angelo Henderson RB 26 NYJ TBD $555,000 -
Eric Smith T 23 NYJ TBD $555,000 ERFA -
Robby Anderson WR 26 NYJ TBD $543,333 RFA -
Frankie Luvu LB 22 NYJ TBD $480,000 ERFA -
Deontay Burnett WR 21 NYJ TBD $480,000 ERFA -
Anthony Wint LB 23 NYJ TBD $480,000 ERFA
Williamson is not an impending free agent.
Morris Claiborne CB 29 NYJ TBD $7,000,000 UFA
Buster Skrine CB 30 NYJ TBD $6,250,000 UFA
James Carpenter G 30 NYJ TBD $4,775,000 UFA
Jermaine Kearse WR 29 NYJ TBD $4,500,000 UFA
I really hate Jermaine Kearse. He has been a complete POS this yearI think he's a good guy but a dud on the field. At least he's a good influence off the field, but he's a goner.
Per Josina Anderson: DeSean Jackson wants out of TB and the #Buccaneers would save $10M in cap space if they release him, so a split this offseason seems likely.Seems like he should be 47 years old by now.
Kinda a POS but may end up being the top FA WR
Seems like he should be 47 years old by now.
https://www.ganggreennation.com/2019/1/7/18166607/scouting-jets-offensive-lineman-eric-smithWow, he finally got the surgery.
https://twitter.com/evan_winter/status/1109848163786149890
Everyone do your part and ratio this fool
I've told you enough times. Everyone on Twitter is mindbendingly stupid.
I've told you enough times. Everyone on Twitter is mindbendingly stupid.
This wasn’t just someone’s take on Twitter, it was published on a .com Bucs blog. At least when I say something mindbendingly stupid on here, my stupidity is confined to the same 11 people that read this website
Twitter is just how stupid people who write blogs advertise to other stupid people who might read them.
I've told you enough times. Everyone on Twitter is mindbendingly stupid.Settle down, Francis.
This wasn’t just someone’s take on Twitter, it was published on a .com Bucs blog. At least when I say something mindbendingly stupid on here, my stupidity is confined to the same 11 people that read this website
This X a billion.
Finding/calling out/correcting clueless, willfully ignorant dipshits on twitter is like actively looking for skidmarks in a homeless guy's tattered underwear.
Twitter serves a useful purpose, but it's also a goddamn cesspool. Kind of like, you know, an actual cesspool.
This wasn’t just someone’s take on Twitter, it was published on a .com Bucs blog. At least when I say something mindbendingly stupid on here, my stupidity is confined to the same 11 people that read this website
It's an SB Nation blog. Not like it's a big time reputable publication.
Michael Lombardi
I hear that all is not well in New York Jets land about their scouting operation. General Manager Mike Maccagnan is on the hot seat internally, and many in the league expect changes in the Jets’ front office after the draft. Stay tuned.
https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/1121793454592233473
Michael Lombardi
I hear that all is not well in New York Jets land about their scouting operation. General Manager Mike Maccagnan is on the hot seat internally, and many in the league expect changes in the Jets’ front office after the draft. Stay tuned.
https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/1121793454592233473
Billy Marshall
@BillyM_91
Pauline “I have a heard since FA that there is a big rift between Adam Gase and Mike Maccagnan. Gase wanted some players signed like Darren Fells and Matt Paradis. They aren’t seeing eye to eye”
I'm on the fence regarding Mac for reasons that have been discussed here ad nauseam.
I'm not on the fence about Adam Gase, however. I'm still squarely in the "why the freak did we hire this guy?" side of the yard. I'm trying to keep as open a mind as possible and stay optimistic, but out of every head coach candidate we were linked to, Adam Gase was the only coach I expressly did not want. I hope he proves me wrong.
I'll take this report with a grain of salt, but if it's accurate, freak Adam Gase all the way to a one-and-done. You can't win with the biggest free agent haul of all time because the GM didn't give you a 33 year old blocking tight end? freak YOURSELF.
[Insert eye-to-eye with Adam Gase joke here]
Michael Lombardi
I hear that all is not well in New York Jets land about their scouting operation. General Manager Mike Maccagnan is on the hot seat internally, and many in the league expect changes in the Jets’ front office after the draft. Stay tuned.
https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/1121793454592233473
I'm on the fence regarding Mac for reasons that have been discussed here ad nauseam.
I'm not on the fence about Adam Gase, however. I'm still squarely in the "why the freak did we hire this guy?" side of the yard. I'm trying to keep as open a mind as possible and stay optimistic, but out of every head coach candidate we were linked to, Adam Gase was the only coach I expressly did not want. I hope he proves me wrong.
I'll take this report with a grain of salt, but if it's accurate, freak Adam Gase all the way to a one-and-done. You can't win with the biggest free agent haul of all time because the GM didn't give you a 33 year old blocking tight end? freak YOURSELF.
[Insert eye-to-eye with Adam Gase joke here]
Now Daniel Fells is not a big missed opportunity in my eyes, but we were all devastated about Paradis, because we know Sam needs a freaking Center to keep him alive. Mac shouldn’t be tired after the draft by any stretch, talk about organizational disfunction. But if Mac and Gase can’t get along already, chances are really good this season is headed for the toilet and there should be an entire house cleaning. Mac has a chance to hire his own guy. He did. If they can’t make it work, both should be relieved of duty and sent on their way when the season is over.
I really don't think Maccagnan is getting fired before the end of the year, but there might be some internal strife.
There may have been disagreement on the value of trade offers made to take the Jets' spot. Maybe Maccagnan drafted his BPA, while others may have felt an Oliver, Taylor, or someone else might've been the better choice.
But regardless, Gase doesn't have the clout to get Maccagnan fired. This team went the same route as Bowles/Maccagnan again and both guys are autonomous, and both report directly to Johnson.
Mac has a chance to hire his own guy. He did.
Now Daniel Fells is not a big missed opportunity in my eyes, but we were all devastated about Paradis, because we know Sam needs a freaking Center to keep him alive.
This is what I was saying about Kingsbury, if you hired a guy, give him what he needs to “make it work” for the cards, that was Kyler Murray. If Gase needs specific players, we need to do what we can to get them.
Like the Eagles did for Chip Kelly? And that was after he at least demonstrated some winning ability. "Look at what the Cardinals are doing" is rarely a recipe for excellence.
If we just brought Nick Saban in, sure, give him every goddamn player he asks for. Remake the franchise in his image. For the dude with the abrasive reputation and losing record who just got fired by the worst team in the division, he gets a Josh Bellamy. If he can somehow find a way to squeeze production out of JAGs like Le'Veon Bell and Sam Darnold, he can have some more. But not before.
FYI...this is what happens when the HC reports directly to the owner instead of the GM.
Partly, but also this is what happens when you hire a swivel-eyed headcase despite every freaking logical thought telling you to not even interview him. Chris Johnson may be a nice bloke but hiring Gase was utter idiocy.Line up the manitobas
We were 10-6 in '15 and I wouldn't put the losing squarely at his feet. That being said, he's been thoroughly average at best and I continue to hold that drafting Hackenberg was a fireable offense that should not have gone unpunished.
Partly, but also this is what happens when you hire a swivel-eyed headcase despite every freaking logical thought telling you to not even interview him. Chris Johnson may be a nice bloke but hiring Gase was utter idiocy.
So what you’re saying is you agree with MB and we should have let the GM hire the HC
I thought Macc should have been fired and Gase was pretty much the last HC I wanted.
That said, if we fire Macc because Gase doesn’t like him or wants more power, I’m back to having zero faith in this organization.
Maccagnan says he & Adam Gase “work very well together.” Said he’s had a “great working relationship” with Gase.
A-freaking-menDouble A Men
lets fire gase. no mercy.
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lets fire gase. no mercy.Kenny Loggins interim HC
Kenny Loggins interim HC
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Long-time #Jets RB & now FA Bilal Powell was fully cleared from a neck injury that was once thought to threaten his career, teams were informed in a letter. Powell, who averaged 4.3 yards per rush last year, is healthy & says he’s “really looking forward to getting back to work.”
I don't think it will happen, but I'd be very happy for us to give him a new deal.
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I don't think it will happen, but I'd be very happy for us to give him a new deal.The way our RB depth chart is now, we could use another body. I like McGuire as a pass-catcher but he's proven nothing as a runner. I like Montgomery as a pass-catcher but I don't think he can stay healthy getting significant carries. And Cannon is a total wild card. If Bell were to get hurt, we don't really have a quality backup right now, and Powell would likely come dirt cheap.
https://twitter.com/NFLTotalAccess/status/1126637917315551232I want to believe
My quarterback
Sanchize knows where it's at.
Chad Forbes @NFLDraftBites
Spoke to rival GM today on #Jets. Said a lot of players are available via trade...
QB Davis Webb
OT Brandon Shell
DT Nathan Shepherd / Fatukusi
LB Jordan Jenkins
‘They won’t give away Marcus Maye and we’re mixed on if he’s a good player... but he could be had for a 3rd.’
I have no idea who Chad Forbes is.Is davis Webb even on this team anymore?
Also, apparently he sent out a tweet saying that OBJ was going to hold a press conference on Monday to officially come out of the closet, but then he deleted it and posted a "phone hacked, sorry" message.
I have no idea who Chad Forbes is.
Also, apparently he sent out a tweet saying that OBJ was going to hold a press conference on Monday to officially come out of the closet, but then he deleted it and posted a "phone hacked, sorry" message.
Vegas odds:Jokes on them when we win exactly 8 or maybe 9 games.
https://www.thelines.com/nfl-win-totals-2019/
The Jets are predicted to be a sub .500 team by pretty much everyone.
I have no idea who Chad Forbes is.To be fair, is it really a scoop to say that mid-round draft picks from the previous GM that mostly aren't that good are available? Of course Davis Webb is available, if we can get anything for him, that would be a coup. Fatukasi and Shepherd have proven nothing. Shell is good, and Maye has ability, but if the Jets could get a 3rd-rounder for Maye, I'm sure they would do it.
Also, apparently he sent out a tweet saying that OBJ was going to hold a press conference on Monday to officially come out of the closet, but then he deleted it and posted a "phone hacked, sorry" message.
To be fair, is it really a scoop to say that mid-round draft picks from the previous GM that mostly aren't that good are available? Of course Davis Webb is available, if we can get anything for him, that would be a coup. Fatukasi and Shepherd have proven nothing. Shell is good, and Maye has ability, but if the Jets could get a 3rd-rounder for Maye, I'm sure they would do it.
Agreed on everyone except for Maye. Why dealing a player who showed can contribute when healthy and who doesn't really have a good replacement for a third on a draft that will take place in a year. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
That list is laughable. What GM is thinking "Wait, Fatukasi is available? Call Adam right now!"? Jenkins is the only player there who has any value, other than Maye.
As for Maye, if someone is willing to give a third or better for him, I think it would be good to take it. He's shown himself to be unreliable in terms of health, so take the pick and move on.
Shell is probably the most valuable player on that list, including Maye. And I'll be thorough pissed if we trade him given he's our starting right tackle.
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The #Jets have signed free-agent P Matt Darr. He punted for Adam Gase in Miami in 2016. Appeared in five game for Buffalo last season. Competition for Lach Edwards.
I still can't understand what Lachlan Edwards has to do to get some respect from this team. He was 5th in the NFL in yards per punt (45.9) last year.
I agree that Edwards is a pretty decent punter, but I hate YPP as a stat. It's heavily driven by field position, which has nothing to do with the punter - any punter who plays for a team with a excrement offense that regularly goes three and out from inside their own 20 is going to have good YPP numbers because they've got a lot of field to work with.
https://apnews.com/8cfbcfd44bc34a05b5518d8cdaf55661
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Pretty much what you would expect, though I admittedly had no idea Calvin Ridley had that kind of juice.
Joe Namath will be on with Howard Stern today. Should be entertaining
No. He was excrement before and he's excrement now. There's a reason he doesn't stick anywhere, he's tall and fast and has OK hands, but he's a crappy route runner and he can't get separation.
I don't disagree that he's excrement now. But to be worthwhile he doesn't need to be good, he needs to bring more to the table than Josh Bellamy, charone peake, Tim white, Dortch etc etc
Terelle Pryor is not worth the last few posts that were typed out about him
The Jets are cutting De'Angelo Henderson ahead of camp. RB depth will be Bell, McGuire, Powell, Cannon, Montgomery, Holmes.
Honestly, I didn't recall most of these guys were even on the team.
Valentine Holmes can’t play in 2019 so he doesn’t really count.
I hope TyMont wins the backup job. His versatility sets him apart.
Valentine Holmes can’t play in 2019 so he doesn’t really count.I think Ty Montgomery is a near lock to make the roster, especially with Maccagnan getting fired. I know Macc signed Montgomery, too, but he seems like a good fit for what Gase likes to do.
I hope TyMont wins the backup job. His versatility sets him apart.
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports free agent CB Morris Claiborne is facing a four-game suspension for violating the league's substance abuse policy.
Per Rapsheet, Claiborne is appealing in hopes of a reduced ban. This would seem to be the reason Claiborne remains unsigned, though the veteran did work out for the Vikings last week. Claiborne is coming off a down year in 2018 that saw him earn PFF's No. 98 coverage grade out of 123 qualifiers at cornerback.
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Jets coach Adam Gase said S Marcus Maye has a nerve injury in his shoulder.
Maye was placed on the active/PUP to start camp and has yet to practice. Gase did not put a timetable on the safety's return and did not seem to be particularly optimistic. "There’s nothing he can do about this. It’s a nerve injury. That’s what it is." It sounds like it is possible Maye begins the season on the reserve/PUP, which would cost him at least the first six games.
The #Chiefs are giving CB Mo Claiborne a 1-year deal worth up to $1.5M, source said. He’ll be suspended the first four games of the season, which KC has known since they began negotiating with him.
Not sure why we wouldn’t do this considering our CB depth
I was all for bringing back Claiborne, but since he's getting the first month off, screw him.
I'm curious to see if any of the success Daryl Roberts has supposedly been having is real. I like him enough as a backup, but I need some convincing that he's a viable regular starter.
I think he's viable in the sense that he's going to have to do, but he's probably the top of the upgrade list. He's going into his 5th season as a pro now, I think we've seen his ceiling.
Bears waive Emanuel Hall
Jets are in the Clowney conversation, although it doesn't sound like particularly seriously.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-Clowney-trade-Dolphins-Seahawks-Eagles-Jets-14396505.php
I imagine our goal is to ensure the Dolphins pay top dollar to get him
whichever team gets him...it's only for a year. Clowney can't be extended until the offseason.
whichever team gets him...it's only for a year. Clowney can't be extended until the offseason.
You're right, but I suspect that any team trading for him would require a commitment, albeit nothing more than a gentleman's agreement, to a long term deal.
I'm not sure i'd want to part with significant draft capital for a "gentleman's agreement".
I agree. I think it's going to have to be a team that he wants to play for that has faith in him honouring it, and I'm not sure we'd fall into that category. He's a really good player but I don't think he's the missing link for us.
Aaron wilson says we're actively looking for a rb via trade...
I dont understand
We need a power back.
Bilal Powell isn't good anymore. Trenton Cannon was never good at running back. Ty Montgomery is a gadget player that can help us as a receiver and runner.
I meant wasn't Mcguire kind of what you'd want for that role?
Am confused
New protocol for tickets requires you to download and register on the Jets app. Mild pain in the derriere for me but potentially a deal breaker for older fans.
When they start seeing empty seats all over TV they'll make the necessary adjustments.LMAO downloading an app isnt going to effect ticket sales
LMAO downloading an app isnt going to effect ticket sales
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Bless youThank you
Tannenbaum says his biggest regret as Jets GM was not finding a way to keep Jerricho Cotchery. Interesting response.
https://twitter.com/RealTannenbaum/status/1171535192051220480
Jets tryouts reported today: WRs Carlton Agudosi, Amara Darboh, Krishawn Hogan, Joe Horn, DeAndre Thompkins, Jordan veasy, Kendall Wright; TEs Stephen Anderson, Donald Parham, Ross Travis; QBs Taryn Christion, Tyree Jackson, Mike White ... more
Devin smithHappy for him. Injuries ruined his career here. Unfortunate that he fell to the Jets' 2nd-round curse.
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Knowing i spent $225 on a Sunday Ticket subscription for this trash season makes me nauseous.
Knowing i spent $225 on a Sunday Ticket subscription for this trash season makes me nauseous.
$20 a month for DAZN, half the price for a lot more sport and I can watch it anywhere.I tried DAZN a few years ago and it was trash quality
I tried DAZN a few years ago and it was trash quality
I've never found it to be anything short of perfect. My only complaint is that their Samsung Smart TV app never worked properly, but seeing as I can (and do) run it from my PS4 that's a non-issue.Well lah tee dah for you
Maybe get a better network?
Apparently J Harrison played a quarter of the snaps last night and that might continue moving forward. Not sure if this is the cause, but the offense did seem to be moving better later in the game.
Apparently Kaep or his agent have reached out to the Jets (and one or two other teams with injured QB's) about an opportunity
Apparently Kaep or his agent have reached out to the Jets (and one or two other teams with injured QB's) about an opportunity
I like Kaep as a player and as an individual, but he hasn't played for three years. We need a backup for hopefully no more than two more game, weeks 3 and 5, and then we'll be back to Sam with Falk backing him up. I'd rather bring someone like Osweiler or Fales in for now.Kaepernick ship has sailed unfortunately. He should have gotten a job in the NFL already, but we need someone who knows the system or can pick it up quickly. If Darnold were out for the year, Kaep would make more sense. But by the time Kaepernick would get up to speed, Darnold would be a game or two away from returning.
We sign that piece of garbage and I'll be sure to check out for the rest of the season.If you made it through Vick you can *not* have a meltdown over Kaep
As stated above, for all practical reasons it doesn't make sense, he's been out of the game too long and I don't think he would be effective. But if this season is truly already lost, it would be worth it to upset the biggest crybabies in the nation.
If you made it through Vick you can *not* have a meltdown over Kaep
If the target is week 5 for Darnold, I wouldn't risk rushing any injured guys like Mosley or Quinnen back this week. Rest them. Just sign a QB for the vet minimum as backup (Fales?), take our derriere reaming this week, potentially injure some Patriots along the way, get into the bye and treat the rest of the season like a new year. We'll be 0-3, but weirder things have happened with 13 games left.
As stated above, for all practical reasons it doesn't make sense, he's been out of the game too long and I don't think he would be effective. But if this season is truly already lost, it would be worth it to upset the biggest crybabies in the nation.
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Falk, Ficken, and FalesOh, my
Reading this SI article about Calvin Johnson. Calvin called Shawn Jefferson the best receivers coach he had seen in the NFL. So at least there's that.
Report is Herndon will be out for 2 weeksfreak this season man.
Report is Herndon will be out for 2 weeks
Raise your hand if you think Herndon got a soft tissue injury because he didn’t do enough work while he was away.
If he wasn’t suspended I’d bet that injury doesn’t happen right then and there.
But freak it all
We’ve signed DL Steve McLendon to a contract extension through the 2020 season. nyj.social/2M8fzVJ
This surprises me. I’m shocked they are committing to any player right now, let alone a guy past his prime
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That’s very positive news regarding Chris Herndon and CJ Mosley. Both guys have a chance to play this week. Gase sounded very optimistic about that.
Carolina signs Greg Dortch off of our practice squad.
Goodnight, sweet prince.
Detroit released Marcus Gilchrist. Who apparently they'd only signed 48 hours earlier.That was also 2016. He was starting with Darrelle Revis, Calvin Pryor and Buster Skrine. NFL comes at you fast.
He wasn't elite, but I thought he was better than scrapheap bad.
That was also 2016. He was starting with Darrelle Revis, Calvin Pryor and Buster Skrine. NFL comes at you fast.Sure, but he's only 30.
Detroit released Marcus Gilchrist. Who apparently they'd only signed 48 hours earlier.
He wasn't elite, but I thought he was better than scrapheap bad.
That would be interesting. Maye has played well and I like him. But this could be his peak trade value, particularly with his injury history and contract situation.You are probably right that his trade value is at his peak but we cant blow everything up.
I'm not opposed to trading anyone. We need to redirect assets to the offensive line. If that means getting draft picks for guys like Robby, Leonard and Marcus, so be it.
No one is giving a first or a second for anyone we are trying to move.
Well we're not trying to move Maye, so there is that. Makes me think a 1st is what it would take to get him
I've seen it floated that Leonard Williams could get a 2nd or two 3rds from nfl.com.
Is it likely no, but at least the analyst are floating it
Well we're not trying to move Maye, so there is that. Makes me think a 1st is what it would take to get himNo one is giving a 1st or 2nd for Marcus Maye.
I've seen it floated that Leonard Williams could get a 2nd or two 3rds from nfl.com.
Is it likely no, but at least the analyst are floating it
Joe Douglas needs to fleece someone. I need to feel good about something this season.Fast WR to Oakland sounds niiiice.
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Joe Douglas needs to fleece someone. I need to feel good about something this season.Que the Winnipeg Jets.
Que the Winnipeg Jets.
Mosley out 5-6 weeks. Dudes essentially out for the yearNo idea what the point of bringing him back at week 14 would be when we have 2 or 3 wins.
No idea what the point of bringing him back at week 14 would be when we have 2 or 3 wins.
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How anyone could still be pounding the table for McCarthy given the resurgence of the Packers is beyond me.
Too bad Trent Williams turns 32 before next year because he's exactly the type of player they need to look to try and acquire. Just not in a position to give up meaningful draft capital for a guy on the other side of 30.
Days after claiming WR Josh Gordon off waivers, the #Seahawks have waived WR Gary Jennings, a 4th-round draft pick in April.
It makes zero sense for us to have both Ty Montgomery and Bilal Powell on the roster if we're a rebuilding team. Ty seems like a great guy and Bilal is one of my favorite Jets in the last decade, but groom Josh Adams as the RB3 and long-term backup, get rid of one of the veterans, and let's try to find some young players that can be contributors next season.I will never understand why ty montgomery isnt used more.
I will never understand why ty montgomery isnt used more.
If Gase was the genius he claims to be Ty and Leveon would be on the field together creating mismatches outside and and in the slot for teams.
Ty Montgomery is not good.That's a broad statement with nothing to back it up
Ty Montgomery is not good.
Elijah McGuire wasn’t that good, but I’d rather have him than Ty Montgomery, Bilal Powell, Trenton Cannon at this point
Le'Veon Bell can't manage 4 YPC/game behind this line. I think it's a bit harsh to knock Montgomery or Powell.
I don't think it has to do anything with knocking them
They have less than 20 runs and 6 receptions combined on the season. The dudes are virtually never seeing the field.
I get it when you're paying a back obscene amounts of cash you want him to be an everydown player. But you have other very competent players riding the bench
On a side note, the Jets had 26 players on their injury report against the Dolphins.Absolutely nuts
That's freaking insane
Jets LB C.J. Mosley (core) could be cleared for on-field drills next week.
Mosley recently had a PRP injection to speed up his recovery. He's missed the last eight games but is hoping to return this season. There should be more clarity on Mosley's status next week. If Mosley can't get cleared, he'll likely have surgery and be done for the year.
Apparently the Jets are expected to try to extend Jordan Jenkins before the end of the season, paying him 10+ million a year
Very good, consistent, and reliable player.
Not a shithead either.
An OLB group of Jenkins, Judon, Phillips, and Copeland is pretty solid. We'll also have an opportunity draft one this year as well.
What kind of contract you on board with giving him?3 shillings and a ha’penny
What kind of contract you on board with giving him?
Decastro has been in for 7. Remember those debates?
Instead our glorious franchise took freaking coples.
TIL that Joe Douglas is the guy who first spotted Joe Flacco.All joking aside is that a good thing or bad thing?
All joking aside is that a good thing or bad thing?I would think that identifying a D-II player with the talent and temperament to lead a Super Bowl winning team is probably a good thing.
I would think that identifying a D-II player with the talent and temperament to lead a Super Bowl winning team is probably a good thing.
I still think that trade down by Baltimore with the Jaguars was absolutely marvelous. They traded down, avoiding Derrick Harvey and the rest of that shitty draft class, for several picks and then still landed a guy who won them a ring in Flacco. I was so pissed when they made that trade down, I would have killed for that same offer. Instead we just stood pat and drafted Gholston and then doubled down by trading up for Dustin Keller.
Hell wasnt that the year we also took a flyer on Erik Ainge in the 5th?
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Here’s something for Jets fans to dream about when trying to forget this game:
Odell Beckham is "not afraid" of a return to New York. Could the Jets go after the star wideout if the Browns make him available?
Hmmmm ...
Thanks...I'll pass.
Thanks...I'll pass.
Yeah, I'd rather re-sign Robbie, keep Crowder and Bell, continue seeing what V. Smith has, get Herndon and Griffin back, and maybe draft a WR--especially if they find a way to really upgrade the OL.
Sam's going to make a bunch of WRs rich over his career. He doesn't need a headcase to deal with.
Beckham's second team in two years is giving up on him, despite his talent. Makes total sense to bring him in. He can lead the second ring of the circus.That's exactly the time you bring a player like that in... We know Beckham is talented. If you can buy relatively low, that's when you make the move. We badly need a guy like that in out passing game.
That's exactly the time you bring a player like that in... We know Beckham is talented. If you can buy relatively low, that's when you make the move. We badly need a guy like that in out passing game.
Obviously OL is the primary need but we still need a WR. I'm not around Beckham so maybe he is a cancer - he's definitely a diva - but he would walk in as the most explosive receiver we have had in my lifetime.
Again, two teams in two years are giving up on him despite his talent. And we're not exactly talking about the Patriots here.
We need talented players. We do not need headcases.
Beckham would be the most talented offensive player this team has ever had.
He would make Sam's job so much easier. Who cares if he's a dick?
I don't think we can set much store by the Browns given what a dysfunctional mess they are under Kitchens and with that tosser of a QB.
Beckham's a diva, but diva wideouts are hardly a new thing. He's not a headcase like an Antonio Brown - give him the ball a lot and he'll be your best teammate. The idea of Darnold having Beckham, Anderson, Crowder, Bell and Herndon/Griffin as receiving options makes me slightly moist, and it also means that WR comes off the draft board as a need allowing us to focus more resources on OL and CB.
It's an unreserved yes from me.
How exactly are we much better than the Browns right now? They have a better record and we are right there with them in coaching controversy. He'll be a problem first and a football player second. Hard pass.
I'm assuming that we will be more functional next season; if we're not, it doesn't matter who you bring in. Badly run teams will continue to not get the best out of good players. I'm just saying that I'm not really going to judge Beckham based upon this season, because the Browns are bad and he's not getting the ball and so he's sulking. We've seen about a million receivers since the history of football began go through that; you reference Santonio, but when things were good with him they were really freaking good, and we didn't have someone with Sam's talent to throw him the ball.I think you can judge Beckham from this season. This year has definitely caused his stock to drop, both on and off the field.
Also, Beckham's in freaking Cleveland. That's not really where Mr Limelight belongs, he's a New York or LA kind of a guy. Just being here would make him happier. Then you have to give him the ball a lot, but I'm OK with that because when you give OBJ the ball a lot, good things tend to happen.
I'm assuming that we will be more functional next season; if we're not, it doesn't matter who you bring in. Badly run teams will continue to not get the best out of good players. I'm just saying that I'm not really going to judge Beckham based upon this season, because the Browns are bad and he's not getting the ball and so he's sulking. We've seen about a million receivers since the history of football began go through that; you reference Santonio, but when things were good with him they were really freaking good, and we didn't have someone with Sam's talent to throw him the ball.
Also, Beckham's in freaking Cleveland. That's not really where Mr Limelight belongs, he's a New York or LA kind of a guy. Just being here would make him happier. Then you have to give him the ball a lot, but I'm OK with that because when you give OBJ the ball a lot, good things tend to happen.
If they trade Adams for Beckham I'll camp out in Florham Park with a torch.
If they trade Adams for Beckham I'll camp out in Florham Park with a torch.
It's not going to happen, dcm is just obsessed with the idea of trading Adams.
You have immediately disqualified this team with your first sentence.
I'll go one step further and say it will matter if we don't bring in ODB:
1) Darnold gets a reprieve for a year of the back to back bullshit wr pulled with Sanchez. Things like this absolutely matter to a locker room and you know it. You are better than this opinion.
2)I don't have to hear about the extra bullshit drama for the season.
I don't care about what city OBeckham is in. It's not like he was an upstanding citizen while he was with the Giants, hence his reason for being shipped out of city in the first place.
I love his talent but I do not want him on this team because I remember what happened the last few times we played this card; it ultimately led to some bullshit.
For all of the the times we have been shitting on Gase not being able to utilize the talent on the team properly, I'm honestly shocked anyone campaigning against Gase wouldn't see the warning signs here. Bring Beckham into this offense and we will see him being under utilized to the point of being disillusioned with the team.
We are not one Odell Beckham Jr. Away from a title, far from it. Get the solid foundations for a team in place and then we can take a shot at a talented but troubled player to fill out the roster. Until then, the possible gains are not worth the risks.
I guess I just don't think he's that much of a problem. He's a gobshite and a diva, but he's not a problem off the field. He doesn't get arrested and he doesn't goof off, his biggest problem is that he lets his mouth run off and I think you can work around that if you can't stop it.
Ultimatetly, it boils down to this question: will this team improve considerably just by adding Odell Beckham Jr.?
As the team stands now, it is a pretty obvious no.
wait wut
Is a better WR going to improve the pass protection? Is he going to give Darnold more time to allow plays to develop?We can get Beckham AND improve the OL. Wmthey arent mutually exclusive. We all know OL is the primary need.
Our offense is going to have these problems regardless of the WR corps. Having ODB on the roster won't change thses problems significantly enough to make a difference in either the offense or his attitude.
We can get Beckham AND improve the OL. Wmthey arent mutually exclusive. We all know OL is the primary need.
Would having a #1 WR help Dsrnold out? Absolutely! I know there is risk but the reward is worth it.
It's not going to happen, dcm is just obsessed with the idea of trading Adams.
What do people think is actual fair value for Beckham? A second-rounder? Do you want to part with one of those in a year we desperately need OL and where the draft is supposedly deep at the WR position?
We also haven't talked about any actual prospects for the OLine so until we get some actual targets in FA then I don't feel like taking mindless hypotheticals into account here.
In fairness we have, there has been fairly extensive conversation elsewhere about multiple players including Jack Conklin, Kyle Long and Brandon Scherff amongst others.
Also, assuming we're not giving up any significant draft capital for Beckham (something to which I would be opposed) then signing him would free up more draft resources to focus on the line, because we have to add to the WR corps one way or another this offseason.
If they trade Adams for Beckham I'll camp out in Florham Park with a torch.Brace yourself.....we’re on the same page.
I would trade a 2nd round pick for Beckham. I would not add anything else to that package.
All this talk about bringing in OBJ is ludicrous to me. We've seen that the current scheme can get our current receiving corps open and Sam can deliver the ball when (or more like if) the protection holds.We still would have a 1st-round pick, two 3rd-round picks, and a lot of cap space.
Trading any resources that could be spent on improving the OL for a WR would be the classic "putting the cart in front of the horses".
At this point and time OBJ would be a luxury. Hard pass.
You have immediately disqualified this team with your first sentence.
I'll go one step further and say it will matter if we don't bring in ODB:
1) Darnold gets a reprieve for a year of the back to back bullshit wr pulled with Sanchez. Things like this absolutely matter to a locker room and you know it. You are better than this opinion.
2)I don't have to hear about the extra bullshit drama for the season.
I don't care about what city OBeckham is in. It's not like he was an upstanding citizen while he was with the Giants, hence his reason for being shipped out of city in the first place.
I love his talent but I do not want him on this team because I remember what happened the last few times we played this card; it ultimately led to some bullshit.
For all of the the times we have been shitting on Gase not being able to utilize the talent on the team properly, I'm honestly shocked anyone campaigning against Gase wouldn't see the warning signs here. Bring Beckham into this offense and we will see him being under utilized to the point of being disillusioned with the team.
We are not one Odell Beckham Jr. Away from a title, far from it. Get the solid foundations for a team in place and then we can take a shot at a talented but troubled player to fill out the roster. Until then, the possible gains are not worth the risks.
We still would have a 1st-round pick, two 3rd-round picks, and a lot of cap space.
We have many needs. OL is the No. 1 need. But having a WR who can create quick separation and make big plays would make everything easier for Darnold and the entire offense, including the line.
I don't think we would make a move after Beckham, but I would be in favor of kicking the tires.
Brace yourself.....we’re on the same page.
As am I.
As Doc Holliday says in Tombstone, now we can be friends again!
The most relevant thing about Beckham is asking price
If we could get that mental malcontent for a 2nd you jump on it.
But considering what the Browns paid for him and gave him a monster deal, I find it hard to imagine the asking price being reasonable.
Unless the Jets have a player to package for him (ie Adams for Beckham and a 1st, Maye and a 3rd for Beckham etc ) I wouldn't imagine such a deal happening.
I think better teams will make far more aggressive trade offers than we can
My current OL day dream is as followsFollowed by straight gords to finish off the draft. And all UDFAs will be gords.
Sign
Brandon Scherff
Jack Conklin
Cut
Brian Winters
Draft Tristan Wirfs in round 1, trade our 2 and a 3 to jump up to about 26 (and get back a 5) and draft Tyler Badass Biadasz to complete the OL rebuild. Then use our 3 and 4 on a WR and a CB
s such in my eyes we don’t have a spare #2 to trade for OBJ.
Beckham's second team in two years is giving up on him, despite his talent. Makes total sense to bring him in. He can lead the second ring of the circus.Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't rely on the judgement of Gettleman and whomever is running the Browns these days.
Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't rely on the judgement of Gettleman and whomever is running the Browns these days.Send Jamal on the recruiting train?
Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't rely on the judgement of Gettleman and whomever is running the Browns these days.
He’s a great talent but I don’t want him here. He’s a cancerDoes cancer cancel out full blown AIDS? Worth a shot IMO. For science.
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsHQ/status/1206312867953348609?s=19
Jets signed RB Kenneth Dixon for...reasons.
Just rewatched the San Diego 2009 playoff game for the first time since it happened. Anyone who says Rex doesn't deserve credit for those years just doesn't want to see the truth. That defense was awesome.
Just rewatched the San Diego 2009 playoff game for the first time since it happened. Anyone who says Rex doesn't deserve credit for those years just doesn't want to see the truth. That defense was awesome.
Just rewatched the San Diego 2009 playoff game for the first time since it happened. Anyone who says Rex doesn't deserve credit for those years just doesn't want to see the truth. That defense was awesome.
Rex Ryan coached a team with 2nd year Mark Sanchez at QB into back to back playoff wins against prime Peyton and prime Brady, on the road, in locations they were untouchable in.Hire Rex next year, we'll be on the upswing in talent again.
He was a very flawed coach, but we’ve had many worse. He got to coach teams with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith at QB. It’s not shocking that he had some bad seasons.
Hire Rex next year, we'll be on the upswing in talent again.
Lol imagine Rex and Greggg somehow being on the same coaching staff
especially 2009. He had an awesome game plan against the Bengals and the Chargers. His best player was a CB who no one even bothered to throw to. He had no pass rush what so ever, but they manufactured things to become truly spectacular that year. I remember thinking we were going to have a dominant defense for a long time. Shame it deteriorated and we could never find Rex a pass rusher.
Lol imagine Rex and Greggg somehow being on the same coaching staffBounty with a side of hot sauce, ouch.
How shitty are we as fans that we openly excuse and pine for coaches that have been run out of the leage adfer failing with multiple teams?Because we've had worse coaches since.
Because we've had worse coaches since.
How shitty are we as fans that we openly excuse and pine for coaches that have been run out of the leage adfer failing with multiple teams?This
How shitty are we as fans that we openly excuse and pine for coaches that have been run out of the leage adfer failing with multiple teams?
I mean Harbaugh Gruden have been some of the hottest names in recent years
Assuming you're talking about Jay and not Jon, I'd take Gruden in a New York minute. He did a spectacular job in Washington given he was working for the worst owner and front office in the league, and prior to that he did a fantastic job as OC in Cincinnati. He'd be the perfect guy to work with Sam.I feel like this is groundhog day with gase.
Likewise assuming you're talking about Crazy Jim, I'd also love him at the Jets because he too is a QB whisperer. But I confess to a bit of a blind spot about him.
I feel like this is groundhog day with gase.It is. JE just has Gase Derangement Syndrome.
https://twitter.com/JCaporoso/status/1208867126423040007
#Jets 2020 schedule is locked
Home
- New England
- Buffalo
- Miami
- San Francisco
- Arizona
- Denver
- Oakland
- Cleveland
Away
- New England
- Buffalo
- Miami
- Seattle
- LA Rams
- LA Chargers
- Kansas City
- Indy
It is. JE just has Gase Derangement Syndrome.
That's monstrous.NFC West is a beast. AFC West really isn't that daunting outside of Kansas City. But after a year of not leaving the Eastern time zone, we have a Seattle trip and two Los Angeles trips.
That's cute. The funny thing is that it's really not remotely true; I've made my arguments as to why he shouldn't have been hired or even interviewed in the first place, and done so since before he was, and continued to support my arguments on a consistent basis. Meanwhile, the main counter arguments appear to be "you can't fire a coach that early" and "maybe the job he did in Miami wasn't really all that bad after all". And I'm the one that's apparently deranged.You said Jay Gruden did a spectacular job by going 7-9 pretty much every year with a bad front office and ownership group.
You said Jay Gruden did a spectacular job by going 7-9 pretty much every year with a bad front office and ownership group.
Adam Gase is either going to go 7-9 or 6-10 with a bad front office and ownership group.
7-9 pretty much every year is actually twice in his five and a half years there, but again, muh narrative.Fine. He had a .418 win pct in Washington. So he averaged about 6.7 wins per season. Sorry for giving him more credit.
Let me get this right though, are you really saying that we should consider this season a success for Adam Gase in the face of bad ownership and management? And I'm the deranged one here?
I'm just trying to figure out why it's "spectacular" for Gruden and a disaster for Gase. It seems like they have almost identical resumes, with Gase actually having a slightly better one.
If you're going to focus entirely on the stat sheet then you will continue to not figure it out. Context is everything.I know you don't like Gase. There are reasons not to like Gase, and I get it.
I know you don't like Gase. There are reasons not to like Gase, and I get it.
But you can't call what Gruden did "spectacular" and then treat Gase like he's the worst coach in the NFL. And you know that as well, which is why you keep dodging.
I'm not dodging anything. Gruden turned a mediocre backup into one of the better QBs in the NFL, who would have been the cornerstone of the franchise had Allen and Snyder not ensured that he instead became one of the most vaunted free agents in years. Gruden had winning records in consecutive seasons before McLoughan got fired and Allen immediately set about dismantling the roster.You better not be disparaging Scotty the Drunk....
The best we can hope for from Gase is that he doesn't ruin Sam.
That away schedule is monstrous.
It's time to play the way too early Win Loss game!
#Jets 2020 schedule is locked
Home
- New England - W
- Buffalo - W
- Miami - W
- San Francisco - L
- Arizona - L
- Denver - W
- Oakland - W
- Cleveland -W
Away
- New England - L
- Buffalo - L
- Miami - W
- Seattle - L
- LA Rams - L
- LA Chargers - L
- Kansas City - L
- Indy - L
8-8, with splits against NE and Buffalo
That prognostication has us going 7-9.
This is way too early without an off-season, but I don't see how the Rams fix the biggest need of their team given the lack of high draft picks and money to spend. Something tells me Goff is going to be running for his life next year.
Reich's done an excellent job in Indy, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the Colts took a big step back.
Jeez. Anyone else see B-Marsh go scorched earth when explaining why the Jets lost to the Bills in 2015?Pretty easy to tell how that team collapsed. A lot of veterans making a lot of money who thought they were a lot better than they actually were. And Fitz's volatility caught up with him.
Gratuitous shot at Sheldon as to be expected, but basically said Revis didn't give a freak and was stealing money, and they didn't have a third receiver that could step up when it mattered (a shot at Quincy, or Kembrell Tompkins).
Not for nothing but someone should remind him (at least off the top of my head) that he had two really bad drops that game.
Well Kembrell Thompkins freaking sucks so he was right on that one.
He had a chance at that last ball down the sideline, would have won the game.
He’s had a lot of last chances that he never pulled in.Sounds like my high school dating record.
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“ #Jets DVOA Ratings
Overall: 26th
Offense: 32nd
Defense: 11th
Specials: 2nd
Darnold: 32nd
Offensive Line: 26th
Via @fboutsiders footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff/…”
It's amazing how well this aligns with team records. Bottom left all have worse records than us
freaking Sam Darnold, ruining Coach Gase's perfectly designed schemes.
Reports are giants are interested in franchise or transition tagging Leonard Williams.Good question. I don't know if a tag counts as an extension. Couldn't find an answer anywhere.
How's this impact our trade
?
Good question. I don't know if a tag counts as an extension. Couldn't find an answer anywhere.
https://twitter.com/Revis24/status/1212518729311047680?s=19
Too bad Revis couldn't play into his 30s like the all time greats
Dude hit 29 and turned into Albert Haynesworth
Good thing we traded him in his prime for picks. That always pays off.
Actually, he was coming off a torn ACL and his contract was up. Trading him was good business at that time.
We had him locked in for the season at $6M. What part was good business? What part worked out to our benefit?
#SeafoodTriggered
Actually it would have paid off, if only we got him back after his year in Tampa, but we got Idzik’d
So you have no answer because there is no answer. Still.
No, you've lost that argument so many times in the past. I didn't see any reason to rehash it as it would destroy yet another thread.
So you can't answer, can't admit you were wrong even 7 years after the fact, so let's just spike the conversation. I can list bullet points why you were wrong and we can move on. Or just give me some examples of how it was "good business".
i've answered it so many times i've lost count. Stop smoking weed, and maybe you'll remember.
You've never answered it. What good came of the trade? For the Jets, that is. If it's so easy you could just spit it right out. I'll wait, it's going on 7 years but I'll wait.What good would have come from keeping him? We weren't going to win a superbowl, it opened up cap space, hindsight is 20/20 with draft returns.
What good would have come from keeping him? We weren't going to win a superbowl, it opened up cap space, hindsight is 20/20 with draft returns.
We clearly got our best years out of him before we traded him
Also hindsight is 20/20
What good would have come from keeping him? We weren't going to win a superbowl, it opened up cap space, hindsight is 20/20 with draft returns.
We clearly got our best years out of him before we traded him
Also hindsight is 20/20
Good thing we traded him in his prime for picks. That always pays off.
People still argue about the Revis trade here. I'm positive this will continue to be argued about throughout the offseason at depth.
the premise was that Revis was going to walk away from the Jets anyway, and we would've ended up with nothing (no draft picks). Seafood knows this, but as usual he still can't accept it.
As we all know, Revis loves to hold out and command top dollar. It was the one move Idzik made that was solid. Acquiring draft capital for a player that every team knew was gonna leave the Jets anyway.
That didn't take long.
As I told you at the time, the "draft capital" we got back was never going to help us as much as even one year of Revis would. Even I didn't predict how little we would actually get back and that he'd go on to win a Super Bowl for the Pats and everyone here would get fired. But I did know that "draft capital", the way we draft, wasn't worth trading our best player.
Which is why I mentioned this to dcm in the first place, as he seems to want us to make the same mistake again with Adams.
he was going to leave regardless. And we weren't winning a super bowl with him the following year anyway.
So you're still wrong.
And you'll still be wrong years from now when you bring this bullshit up again.
We received Tampa's 2013 1st round pick (#13) in exchange for Revis, which we used to draft Sheldon Richardson. We then traded Richardson in 2017 to Seattle in exchange for Jermaine Kearse and their 2018 2nd round pick. That 2nd round pick we then traded to Indianapolis to move up from 6th to 3rd in 2018, which means that if we hadn't traded Revis to Tampa we wouldn't have Sam Darnold.
Now let this be an end to it.
Richardson was available with the pick we used on Milliner, which we wouldn't have had to do if we kept Revis.
Just telling me "you're wrong" with zero to back it up is not an argument.
He was going to the highest bidder because he's Revis, which could or could not have been us regardless if we traded him or not. I get the concept of acquiring "draft capital" for a player you might not re-sign, but in that case, as I said then, you'll never get back what you give up. And surprise, we didn't come close and it worked out even worse than anyone thought. It was a bad gamble going in.
Again, I bring it up here to a person who wants to trade Adams--not even what Revis was at the time--for "draft capital". Good luck if we do that. But I guess we're not winning the Super Bowl so make all the bad gambles you want, that's how you build a team. And next year we'll fire the coach again while Adams succeeds elsewhere.
But then we would probably have taken Warmack or Fluker, which means we wouldn't have been able to trade Richardson to Seattle, which means we wouldn't have had their 2018 2nd to send to Indy in order to get Sam.
You can play ifs and maybes all you like, but in the only timeline that actually matters i.e. the real one, the Revis trade tree actually does lead to Sam Darnold.
At the time, he wasn't coming back. He was coming off a season-ending injury, and you knew Schwartz & Feinsod were going to demand top dollar. So here were the choices (now read it a few times, because i don't want you coming back telling me there was no argument)
-let him play out the last year of his contract on a lame duck team and enter FA, while the Jets come away with nothing in the end. WE WERE NOT WINNING A SUPER BOWL.
10 out of 10 times when you know a player is leaving, you try to get assets for him. Look at what we got for Leonard Williams. That was an amazing piece of business done by Joe Douglas.
never said we should trade Adams...
While it's an interesting note that the Revis trade and the Darnold trade are connected, the implication that we wouldn't have gotten Darnold without the Revis trade isn't really fair IMO.
That's a huge stretch any way you slice it. Assuming who we might not have taken in 2013 as opposed to who we actually did take, and assuming a random draft pick as part of a package in 2018 couldn't have been replaced with another random pick. You'd rather do 7 years of connect the dots limbo than admit the trade was a bad gamble going in and blew up in our face.
We went 8-8 without him and with Geno at QB as a rookie. At the time of the trade we didn't even know we wouldn't have Sanchez, our supposed franchise QB in year 5. So you justify the trade by saying we wouldn't have won anything, yet blame Rex for "destroying the roster" and wanted him gone for not winning without his best player. Your own bullshit doesn't support your other own bullshit.
Irrelevant. They are connected, the Revis trade did lead into the Darnold pick, all other timelines are conjecture.
A huge stretch? It's about the only thing here that isn't ifs and maybes. Maybe Revis would have re-signed with us. Maybe we wouldn't have taken Milliner. Maybe we'd have signed Richardson anyway. Maybe my auntie would have grown bollocks and become my uncle. Maybe all sorts of things might have happened.
What actually did happen is that we parlayed the Revis trade into Sam Darnold. All else is irrelevant.
Rex did destroy the roster. And we weren't going to the playoffs. It's not bullshit.
Revis was one of my favorite players. But the NFL is a business....i don't understand why you can't grasp that.
Either way, this convo turned out exactly how i thought it would. So let's move on. Nobody is going to budge from their positions. Even though, you're still wrong.
If you truly believe we couldn't have gotten Darnold in 2018 without the Revis trade of 2013, that's purely living in denial.
If you truly believe we couldn't have gotten Darnold in 2018 without the Revis trade of 2013, that's purely living in denial. By 2018 Macc packaged what he had to make a deal, if he didn't have that particular #2 he would have packaged another asset. Both teams wanted and made the deal.I didn’t cite anything JE said.
The people so convinced they are right can't wait to spike the conversation and bristle whenever it comes up. So far the only positive you can cite 7 years after the trade is JE's butterfly theory that it led to Darnold. I'll give that points for creativity.
Sorry I called it correctly at the time, but keep telling me I'm wrong if it makes you feel better.
That isn't what I said. I'm stating what DID happen. Any alternative that you come up with is conjecture and fantasy. Why do you hate facts and truth?
Why the hell are we still arguing about someone who isn't even a professional football player anymore?
Don't trade Jamal Adams. That should be the conversation. It should also be the end of said conversation.
Literally not one person wants to trade Jamal. This is some kind of weird strawman that Seafood has invented.
I quoted dcm in the post that started this up, who is literally one person wanting to trade Jamal.
dcm is not a person, he's some kind of weird bot that somehow managed to get past the firewall.
That explains everything, thanks.But I'm not done arguing about revis
Carry on.
dcm is not a person, he's some kind of weird bot that somehow managed to get past the firewall.
Actually it would have paid off, if only we got him back after his year in Tampa, but we got Idzik’dThis is the correct answer and should have ended the debate.
But I'm not done arguing about revis
This is the correct answer and should have ended the debate.
Demario Davis made first team all pro with the Saints
Saw that. Never understood why we didn't keep him.
"Oh hi, we're the New York Jets franchise....have we ever met?"
Haha true. Not even the first Jet LB to be a star for the Saints.
Literally not one person wants to trade Jamal. This is some kind of weird strawman that Seafood has invented.
Demario Davis made first team all pro with the SaintsIn fairness he was never that great for us, and hes still a liability in coverage
I’m not ready to trade Jamal especially since we’ve basically shown we can’t draft well at all
It's about value with Jamal
I don't care about his tiff with Douglas and Gase, that's irrelevant. But we're a rebuilding tean and Darnold needs help.
I wouldn't just trade Adams for nothing. But if draft day comes around and there's a legit long term left/right tackle prospect available and we can get him plus two seconds for Jamal (assuming we used our first on whatever the freak else, a defensive end wideout etc) freak yeah I'd do it.
Hell if we could get a left tackle and then package up two 2nds to trade up to draft a right tackle I'd be absolutely ecstatic about trading Jamal. I don't care how good he is, tell me Jamal would make more of a difference to this franchise than getting Darnold two legit starting tackles for the next 10 years
You're thinking like it's phase one of a rebuild, tear it down, unload salary, collect picks. We did all that three years ago, tanked a season, drafted our QB, changed the coach and GM. We're on the way back up now, you don't unload good players now, you build on what you have. Unload the Trumaine Johnsons and that money, not Adams and not Bell.
Bells contract guarantees he's gone in a year plus he's been terrible so he's irrelevant.
The question is if a legit tackle is on the board plus a haul available, so you trade Jamal?
There's four potentially elite offensive tackles in this draft class.But if we trade Jamal, we could get 9 gords.
We should be able to get one at 11...without trading our best player.
There's four potentially elite offensive tackles in this draft class.
We should be able to get one at 11...without trading our best player.
There's four potentially elite offensive tackles in this draft class.
We should be able to get one at 11...without trading our best player.
What’s your order as of right now?
I honestly can’t put them in order.
Thomas
Wirfs
Becton
Wills
Any of these guys can be the first tackle off the board right now
Just for fun...
What would each need to do in order to separate themselves and become the top guy on the board?
How did Jawaan Taylor as a prospect, compare to these 4 taxkles?
My franchise
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.12up.com/amp/posts/jets-twitter-posted-and-deleted-incredibly-weird-tiktok-video-01dyghrq0s7g
How's her run blocking?Don't know but she snaps the ball better than Spencer Long.
do you guys think that ball came out of her vagina or her poopchute
do you guys think that ball came out of her vagina or her poopchuteWho's to say it's even a ball?
https://mobile.twitter.com/rsherman_25/status/1219118461068013568
Did that first comment really say Sherman was a HOF lock while Revis is trasH?
If anything I’d say the roles are flipped, Revis is the lock. But whatever. Sherman has always been an poopchute while Revis was always a greedy freak
Revis isn't necessarily wrong but I don't know why he's calling out Sherman for the defense. Sherman is a player, not the DC, I'd assume he goes where he's told.
I don't think I've ever seen someone as legendary hit the wall that young or fast as Darelle did.
Revis must be bored.
Did that first comment really say Sherman was a HOF lock while Revis is trasH?And another that said that Revis had been to 0 Super Bowls. I get why some of us might choose to forget it, but still.
If anything I’d say the roles are flipped, Revis is the lock. But whatever. Sherman has always been an poopchute while Revis was always a greedy freak
Revis makin' friends with Cromartie today
Is Revis still banging Geiger?
I totally forgot about that guy. What a weirdo.
John Schmitt, C "A miracle." That's how Schmitt described getting his ring back after four decades. Through an implausible series of events, he was reunited with his ring after he lost it while surfing in Hawaii 40 years ago. A lifeguard found it while snorkeling, then stashed it in his closet. When the lifeguard died in 2011, his great-niece discovered the hidden treasure while rummaging through his belongings. Once family members identified it as a Super Bowl ring, they contacted the NFL, which directed them to the Jets. Schmitt would befriend the family that found his ring and their bond remains strong. "We've become a big family," says Schmitt, who has vacationed with the family in Hawaii.
Apparently Matt Judon is a tag and trade candidateOur GM is a former Raven. We'll see.
Obviously he's going to require an elite lb contract, but what kind of draft compensation?
I can't envision a scenario it makes sense for the Jets, but our pass rush has always been excrement
I’d trade a 2 for him without blinking an eye
I hope we don't overpay Jenkins to stay.
I hope we don't overpay Jenkins to stay.
I hope we don't overpay Jenkins to stay.
Agreed, Harvey Langi will be a FA in a few years and we don’t want to be priced out of that market because we blew all our money on a productive player that has a track record of success hereI realize he's had improving sack numbers and played pretty well. I think his pass rushing ability is overrated. Complete gut feeling. I feel like he'd be a guy to get a pretty good contract and put up 5 sacks next year. I could well be wrong. I'd be happy to have him back, but not on expensive terms.
Jordan Jenkins is a smart player that is very good against the run. He's not a very good pass rusher, but he's a solid starter on the edge. Similar to Calvin Pace.If our depth wasnt such excrement I'd disagree, but we need a solid starter across from him, especially since we probably wont draft an edge rusher early in this draft
If we get a pass rushing threat like Matt Judon or Yannick Ngakoue then Jenkins becomes expendable because we could fill that role with an inexpensive veteran or a rotation of JAGs.
I put this here because it exists, but it is not real. It can't be.
https://twitter.com/dalekeefeweei/status/1222561414906249216?s=21
I'm not sure why anyone would be opposed to Brady joining the Jets. I despise the guy but...
- It would be the most epic troll of Boston ever (Imagine the jersey burnings on this one)
- Imagine how it would make Belichick feel
- He could probably teach Sam a thing or two
I wouldn't particularly want him, but I wouldn't be opposed to him coming here either. I'd hope they telecast the coin toss when the Jets visited Foxboro and Brady came out as the Jets captain that day.
I'm not sure why anyone would be opposed to Brady joining the Jets. I despise the guy but...
- It would be the most epic troll of Boston ever (Imagine the jersey burnings on this one)
- Imagine how it would make Belichick feel
- He could probably teach Sam a thing or two
I wouldn't particularly want him, but I wouldn't be opposed to him coming here either. I'd hope they telecast the coin toss when the Jets visited Foxboro and Brady came out as the Jets captain that day.
I'm not sure why anyone would be opposed to Brady joining the Jets. I despise the guy but...
- It would be the most epic troll of Boston ever (Imagine the jersey burnings on this one)
- Imagine how it would make Belichick feel
- He could probably teach Sam a thing or two
I wouldn't particularly want him, but I wouldn't be opposed to him coming here either. I'd hope they telecast the coin toss when the Jets visited Foxboro and Brady came out as the Jets captain that day.
we should hire Rex back
Just because Revis has popped his head up lately with Sherman
Is Revis a first ballot HOFer? The dudes obviously had two of the best seasons ever as a corner (likely the best ever) But he's also had a short career with several years where he had completely given up (plus his year on IR and year on Tampa)
Revis had an all-time great season to his credit. He played 11 seasons.
Revis is a HoFer and I'd make the argument he should be a first-ballot. You can make arguments that other guys had better overall careers, but Revis was the unquestioned best at his position for a while. That's the standard, as SFD alluded to--best of your era.
https://twitter.com/SNFonNBC/status/1225569758558523392?s=20Must be the Tostitos For Your Service and $9 beers.
https://twitter.com/SNFonNBC/status/1225569758558523392?s=20
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-dispute-rick-dennison-20200206-oaqku4bbgng47knjwvwpyhpiiq-story.html
Stop posting Manish articlesNo
Seriously Manish is freaking mentally ill. Yet half this board can't get enoguh of that dickWell in their defense it's a pretty nice dick
Had no idea former Ravens and Browns exec Phil Savage was working for the Jets in a senior advisor role.
We apparently just signed Daniel Brown to a 1-year extension so I guess that means our intention is to carry 4 tight ends next year.
I suppose Brown could always get cut and this was more about security.
He’s a solid special teamer and a decent receiver
We apparently just signed Daniel Brown to a 1-year extension so I guess that means our intention is to carry 4 tight ends next year.
I suppose Brown could always get cut and this was more about security.
Per SchefterSign him meow. He might retire.
Lions releasing Snacks Harrison
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1230659939036729344?s=21
Connor Hughes really freaking sucks now.
He doesn't know excrement about football or the Jets, honestly.
What did the dumbass say now?
On the Leonard Williams tradeHow does signing a franchise tag not count as resigning?
: If the New York Giants use the franchise tag on defensive end Leonard Williams, it probably means they won't sign him any time soon -- and that would affect the Jets. Per the terms of last fall's trade, the Jets received a 2020 third-round pick and a conditional 2021 fifth-round choice that improves to the fourth round if he re-signs with the Giants before the start of the league year. If you're a Jets fan, root for a fast deal
My interpretation is don't expect a 4th round pick. If anything I'd say it's quite unlikely
How does signing a franchise tag not count as resigning?
would any team really franchise tag leonard fvcking williams?
Difference between a 4th and a 5th at worst if I understand correctly? Either way not a big deal.
I’d like to think Gettleman saves face and offers him a deal.
Mo-Wilk arrested for DWI again.I bet we could sign him real cheap now.
Mo-Wilk arrested for DWI again.
So glad we moved on from that waste
I think he would have been great if Rex stayed. I also think he would have been the only thing that would have gone right if Rex stayed. Because Rex is a terrible coach and keeping him would have been a terrible mistake.
Were fortunate to have had much better coaches since he left
All our coaching problems have been solved by letting him go
I think he would have been great if Rex stayed. I also think he would have been the only thing that would have gone right if Rex stayed. Because Rex is a terrible coach and keeping him would have been a terrible mistake.
Were fortunate to have had much better coaches since he left
All our coaching problems have been solved by letting him go
It's a damn shame that you became a Jets fan because of Rex and then decided to stay.
I firmly believe that if Rex were here another year or two that Wilkerson would've gotten into this mess years ago.Settle down, Bob McNair.
I was as big a Rex fan as there was, but he let the inmates run the asylum.
https://twitter.com/gregarmstrong_/status/1241403539169083392?s=21
Dimes. That was Sanchez's best drive.
GM Joe about to address the media*Douglas drops giant dong on table.
https://twitter.com/AaronNagler/status/1240353182578028544
Free NFL GamePass during the lockdown.
Wow, I remember watching that clip an infinite amount of times
Watching a defense with prime Revis and semi-prime Kris Jenkins was a privilege
Jenkins only full year was 08 and Revis’ all time shutdown season was 09 but Revis was still really good in 08. 5 picks, 16 PD, pro bowl
If Jenkins stays healthy in 2010 we win the Super Bowl.
He lasted a half that year.
ESPN 710 Seattle's John Clayton reports the Jets are considering making a run at free agent Jadeveon Clowney.
Clayton also acknowledges the Titans' interest and believes the Seahawks "still have a chance to get him back." Clowney has been the odd man out of this year's coronavirus-affected market. It's possible teams are leery of committing so much money to him without being able to conduct their own in-house physical. There has been chatter that Clowney could decide to wait several months to sign, and that might make sense in this most unusual of situations.
He lasted a half that year.You're right, but IS has a point. Jenkins was an absolute manchild. Most dominant DL we have had in years when he was healthy, and this comes from a team that has drafted approximately a million 1st-round DL.
You're right, but IS has a point. Jenkins was an absolute manchild. Most dominant DL we have had in years when he was healthy, and this comes from a team that has drafted approximately a million 1st-round DL.
That said, Sione Pouha was really good in his absence.
Pouha was a great anchor, Jenkins disrupted everything in addition. He could rush the passer and when he was on, was pretty much unblockable by even 2 players. Unfortunately, he just couldn't stay healthy, if he did he would be wearing a gold jacket.
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20 posts up dipshit.Dead link dipshit
Dead link dipshit
I liked Kris Jenkins but he was also so undisciplined with his eating he had to go on a cookie diet
tell me more about this cookie dietI wanna say 2010 Jenkins was on one of the local radio shows and the Jets training staff put him on a 3 cookie a day diet since he had big problems with keeping his weight in check
I wanna say 2010 Jenkins was on one of the local radio shows and the Jets training staff put him on a 3 cookie a day diet since he had big problems with keeping his weight in check
Lol all the picks weve wasted on DL and hes the best one we've had
Rename this the Kris Jenkins thread
tell me more about this cookie diet
Rename this the Kris Jenkins thread
I don't want to link it but Manish is saying the Jets told FA that they were strapped for cash.
FTR I'm not buying it.
I don't want to link it but Manish is saying the Jets told FA that they were strapped for cash.
FTR I'm not buying it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JetsOpinion/status/1248267053557039105I'm sure he's not a bad guy, he's just insanely douchey. I'm naturally annoyed by self-promoters, but that's his gig, so I get it. Obviously it works for him. He's a Jets fan and he seems to try to help people, so he's alright I guess. Except that video of him at the draft after we drafted Nacho. freak him for that.
(Preparing for the Gary V hate)
I'm sure he's not a bad guy, he's just insanely douchey. I'm naturally annoyed by self-promoters, but that's his gig, so I get it. Obviously it works for him. He's a Jets fan and he seems to try to help people, so he's alright I guess. Except that video of him at the draft after we drafted Nacho. freak him for that.
I'm a big Vaynerchuk fan. Yes, he might have started life on second base, and yes, he was wrong about Sanchez, but his messaging (corporately) is largely excellent. As professional speakers and motivators go, and I don't like most of them, he'd be way up there on my list precisely because he isn't a douche. He encourages people to do the right things in the right way and for the right reasons. I will happily defend him.Does he wear white pants in public?
Does he wear white pants in public?
Have you seen how that slob dresses? No chance he has that much style.I've always thought of you as Classy Gary.
I've always thought of you as Classy Gary.
Wish I had his money.Same here.
Did nobody here post the fake Kaepernick to the Jets story yet? It was trending on Twitter late this afternoon.(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1113593160444174336/jz4b4yH4_400x400.jpg)
https://mobile.twitter.com/JetsOpinion/status/1248267053557039105
(Preparing for the Gary V hate)
I'm sure he's not a bad guy, he's just insanely douchey. I'm naturally annoyed by self-promoters, but that's his gig, so I get it. Obviously it works for him. He's a Jets fan and he seems to try to help people, so he's alright I guess. Except that video of him at the draft after we drafted Nacho. freak him for that.
he was wrong about Sanchez
He was right about "Nacho" though.
how so?
They looked like complete douchebags in that video.
JE is a major Sanchez apologist, as he said in the Rex thread in the NFL section.
Yes, it was not a good look.We aren't on TV doing it.
But again, he was right. And I'd be willing to bet everyone on this board looks like a raging bag of douche when the Jets make a very, very questionable pick.
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We aren't on TV doing it.
Lol. Ok, so I guess it's cool as long as no one can see you're acting like a douche over a draft pick.Yes. I'm a private douche.
Got it.
I don't know what this means.Go on twitter and look for Barry McCockiner.
I'm a big Vaynerchuk fan. Yes, he might have started life on second base, and yes, he was wrong about Sanchez, but his messaging (corporately) is largely excellent. As professional speakers and motivators go, and I don't like most of them, he'd be way up there on my list precisely because he isn't a douche. He encourages people to do the right things in the right way and for the right reasons. I will happily defend him....was he wrong about Sanchez?
Go on twitter and look for Barry McCockiner.
...was he wrong about Sanchez?
I'm a big Vaynerchuk fan. Yes, he might have started life on second base, and yes, he was wrong about Sanchez, but his messaging (corporately) is largely excellent. As professional speakers and motivators go, and I don't like most of them, he'd be way up there on my list precisely because he isn't a douche. He encourages people to do the right things in the right way and for the right reasons. I will happily defend him.
I don't know what this means.
Yeah I never understand why people call him a douchebag. You may not like his personality but he generally comes from a good place and is a good dude. He likes to hear himself talk, but he's speaking from the heart.Because the first instinct is to call everyone a douchebag, and figure out the rest later. That's basically how this board was founded.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I know atleast 3 people that work his company. 1 who worked with him. Basically every day and 1 who pretty much reported to him and they had nothing but positive things to say about him.
Yeah I never understand why people call him a douchebag. You may not like his personality but he generally comes from a good place and is a good dude. He likes to hear himself talk, but he's speaking from the heart.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I know atleast 3 people that work his company. 1 who worked with him. Basically every day and 1 who pretty much reported to him and they had nothing but positive things to say about him.
I love it when people ask rhetorical questions an then answer them the next sentence.Nothing I said warrants a description of a douchebag
i think the reason why many of us felt him/his bro were douchebags, irrespective of whether they were right about the sanchez pick or not (which i do think they were wrong about, as the pick did play a part in us getting to two AFCCG's, and i don't know what would have happened if we drafted or had somebody else at the spot), is because they basically admitted afterwards that they only embellished that sort of reaction to be able to get on tv. came off as really tool-ish and were twerking really hard to get a few seconds of fame.
knowing how successful gary v is now, it's obvious that sort of thing was always going to be a part of his business plan, and good for him to become as big as he is now...but back then it came off very douchey, and they admitted as much.
Damn I would rather boot up the Rex or Revis trade arguments before getting into a nuanced conversation about what level of douche Gary V isPut him on the corona power rankings.
Damn I would rather boot up the Rex or Revis trade arguments before getting into a nuanced conversation about what level of douche Gary V is
Put him on the corona power rankings.
Why don't we put your douchebag derriere in a corona ranking.You are very gay.
Shut up douchebag
You are very gay.
Damn I would rather boot up the Rex or Revis trade arguments...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29020239/how-jets-made-nfl-draft-history-2000-trades-chicken-wings
Well, we wanted to keep Belichick and Brady to the Pats was just sheer luck. Let’s not overthink things too much.
I loved the four picks at the time, although I hated the Keyshawn trade. Just shows you how fickle the draft is. You think you're loading up on assets, if you keep Belichick and Keyshawn and just draft Brady in a late round we're all set.
I loved the four picks at the time, although I hated the Keyshawn trade. Just shows you how fickle the draft is. You think you're loading up on assets, if you keep Belichick and Keyshawn and just draft Brady in a late round we're all set.Hot taek of the year
I loved the four picks at the time, although I hated the Keyshawn trade. Just shows you how fickle the draft is. You think you're loading up on assets, if you keep Belichick and Keyshawn and just draft Brady in a late round we're all set.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/09/jets-mailbag-scenario-in-which-joe-douglas-could-trade-jamal-adams/
Unfounded Jamal Adams trade rumors from Costello.
But since we're bored let's discuss. Would you take Dallas' first (17) and second round (51) pick in this year's draft for Adams?
I'm not even taking the call. If they want to offer me their first round pick this year and the next two we might start a conversation but they're probably going to have to sweeten the deal some as well.
Jamal is not just a safety. He's the beating heart of this team, and his value goes way beyond his play.
This is a tough one. He's the heart and soul of the D, but has the maturity of a high school girl.
This is a little unfair. Adams has done everything right for this franchise. He's one of the best draft selections this team has ever made. They need to pay him, regardless of how annoying he can be on Twitter.
Also I'm pretty sure he's had enough of losing and really doesn't wanna lose anymore.
This is a little unfair. Adams has done everything right for this franchise. He's one of the best draft selections this team has ever made. They need to pay him, regardless of how annoying he can be on Twitter.
fyp
Ray Lewis spent more than a few off-seasons bitching about management refusing to add talent to the d-line. Tom Brady's sideline blow-ups are well-documented. Peyton butted heads with his linemen on camera and his kicker in interviews.
I haven't heard excrement about Jamal Adams getting arrested or holding out or taking PED's or freaking changing his last name to a branded nickname. If you want a winner on your team, don't expect him to sit quietly and enjoy losing.
fyp
Ray Lewis spent more than a few off-seasons bitching about management refusing to add talent to the d-line. Tom Brady's sideline blow-ups are well-documented. Peyton butted heads with his linemen on camera and his kicker in interviews.
I haven't heard excrement about Jamal Adams getting arrested or holding out or taking PED's or freaking changing his last name to a branded nickname. If you want a winner on your team, don't expect him to sit quietly and enjoy losing.
Who cares? Seriously how are any of these opinions about Jamal’s tweets worth the effort it takes to form them?
I'm not even taking the call. If they want to offer me their first round pick this year and the next two we might start a conversation but they're probably going to have to sweeten the deal some as well.
Jamal is not just a safety. He's the beating heart of this team, and his value goes way beyond his play.
I think there’s a 50/50 chance he’s tradedNo way.
I think there’s a 50/50 chance he’s traded
Either he's traded or he isn't. 50/50100% chance he is traded or not traded is the correct statement.
I don't understand why people have issues with him. He's been a great player and leader here. Any off-field controversy has been extremely minor, and none have to do with him being a bad guy. Pay the man.
Any Adams trade starts at two 1st-round picks. Period. Give up two firsts, and I'll consider moving Adams. Almost anything else, keep him and pay him.
Mark sanchez being trash
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-nw1OXAU4S/
We would probably still get jacked. Less than 10% chance either guy we pick is as good as Adams.
They don't need to be as good as Adams.
You have to factor in having two first round picks, and an extra 10 million or so in cap space per year (after paying both first round picks)
So you're talking about potentially 3 good to pretty good players. Assuming they're at more valuable positions (wideout, cornerback, linebacker etc) it's completely feasible for the trade to work out.
Of course I'm far less bullish on an Adams trade actually happening
Classic case of overthinking it, which is what the Jets and their fans have always done. Cap space doesn't get your defense off the field on 3rd down. Keep your best players and build around them.
You just accused DCM of overthinking? wow talk about a classic case of overthinking I.S.
Unless Adams is asking for QB money, pay the man. This isn't complicated.
Exactly this. The Jets have been absolutely atrocious in drafting, and the one time we get it right, we want to trade him? freaking ridiculous.
To put things into perspective, since 2001 we have resigned just four of our first round picks:
Bryan Thomas
D'Brickashaw
Mangold
Wilkerson
Unless Adams is asking for QB money, pay the man. This isn't complicated.
Exactly this. The Jets have been absolutely atrocious in drafting, and the one time we get it right, we want to trade him? freaking ridiculous.
To put things into perspective, since 2001 we have resigned just four of our first round picks:
Bryan Thomas
D'Brickashaw
Mangold
Wilkerson
Sanchez? Revis?
Sanchez was released after 4th year and we used 5th yr option on Revis (I believe)
Sanchez signed a three year extension the year before he was released, and he was with us for five seasons in total.
Revis was with us for six years and signed a new three year contract at the beginning of his fifth season. I can understand why you might not remember that as it was all done very quietly and amicably, and was hardly mentioned in the press at all.
Sanchez signed a three year extension the year before he was released, and he was with us for five seasons in total.
Revis was with us for six years and signed a new three year contract at the beginning of his fifth season. I can understand why you might not remember that as it was all done very quietly and amicably, and was hardly mentioned in the press at all.
...Dee Milliner both probably would have gotten second contracts had they not gotten annihilated by injuries.This might be the craziest thing you've proposed on this board. I'm not even arguing your wrong. I just can't possibly fathom how many potential dots your brain had to connect in order to come to this conclusion.
To be fair dustin Keller, Dee Milliner both probably would have gotten second contracts had they not gotten annihilated by injuries.
And Sheldon Richardson was more than good enough to get a second contract, the team just retardedly drafted way more DL than it was willing to extend. Similar story with Leonard Williams. We likely would have brought him back as well had we not drafted Quinnen Williams.
The Fitz extension looks like a good idea compared to Milliner getting a 2nd contractThat's a good debate
That's a good debate
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-virtual-meetings-20200420-noukvwx7mbcg3kkujx57esrcg4-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Time for the Jets to draft a QB!
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-virtual-meetings-20200420-noukvwx7mbcg3kkujx57esrcg4-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Time for the Jets to draft a QB!
Goddamn right it is, I see no need to waste valuable preseason snaps on David Fales.
Did you read this headline and think it was controversial?
https://twitter.com/rsherman_25/status/1252744929832398848?s=21
Football Perspective @fbgchase
In the last 40 years, all 2nd round picks drafted by the Jets have combined to make.... 0 AP first-team All-Pro teams, and 1 Pro Bowl.
And the 1 Pro Bowl was as a returner.
Apparently, the Jets led the league in injuries. Not a huge surprise, but its the second worst figure FO has ever tracked.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/2019-adjusted-games-lost-part-i
https://twitter.com/rsherman_25/status/1252744929832398848?s=21
I suspected it had to be close to record-breaking.
I'll take any other Jets related news over Revis vs Sherman.
Happy?
Yes, actually.
Are they trying to tell me Justin Miller wasn't a god? Because I mean he wasn't even that great a return man, but still!
Also David Harris never making a pro bowl was criminal
Brb bumping Gase thread
Also surprised Harris never made the Pro Bowl but he's our only 2nd rounder who lived up to it in years. I was about to say they left out Gastineau but that's over 40 years now. freak I'm old.
Mark Sanchez was on Joe and Evan (still is). Just caught some of the tail end of it. From what I heard, it's been great so far. I'm looking forward to listening to the whole interview later.
Field Yates @FieldYates
New Bengals LB Austin Calitro was a popular player on waivers, with five teams trying to claim him: the Bengals, Broncos, Browns, Jets and Raiders. Cincy had the top priority and picked up a talented young player.
Field Yates @FieldYates
New Bengals LB Austin Calitro was a popular player on waivers, with five teams trying to claim him: the Bengals, Broncos, Browns, Jets and Raiders. Cincy had the top priority and picked up a talented young player.
Very good special teamer
Brett Favre is a piece of excrement. That opinion has nothing to do with that article, just a sentence that comes to my mind whenever I hear his name.
I want to know the raging idiot that would pay to hear that schmuck talk. Can he even formulate a coherent sentence.
Brett Favre was, is, and will be till Darnold wins the Super Bowl, my favorite QB of all time.
Wrangler has ghost written all of his sentences since 2003.
Peyton Manning for me, but I always loved Favre. Definitely seems like a dickhead off the field though.
This is a bit weird:
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1258395146841882625
We should have a thread on here where we can all say nice stuff about each otherYou are my favorite retard.
I've despised Manning every single day since he basically said he'd rather stay in school than make millions to play for the Jets.
We should have a thread on here where we can all say nice stuff about each other
This is a bit weird:Maybe some bullshit attempt at good karma
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1258395146841882625
i guess i have low standardsChad might be mine too. The negative memories don't cancel out the positive ones like they do with Sanchez.
my favorite QB ever is prime, pre-injury chad
I said this before the playoffs last year. I like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes, I don’t despise the Chiefs or the Ravens, but freak both of them when it comes to my interests in NFL football. Watching them excel is entertaining, but it also itches me that the more they dominate the more difficult our path becomes.(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Gregg_Williams_%28cropped%29.jpg/174px-Gregg_Williams_%28cropped%29.jpg) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Tabasco_Pepper_Sauce_A_Scientific_Preparation_ad_1900.jpg/148px-Tabasco_Pepper_Sauce_A_Scientific_Preparation_ad_1900.jpg)
i guess i have low standards
my favorite QB ever is prime, pre-injury chad
Saints cut Larry Warford. He's better than any current guard option on the roster.We may end up with too many gords.............. Hahaha, just kidding, no such thing.
Saints cut Larry Warford. He's better than any current guard option on the roster.
Douglas should release Winters and sign Warford ASAP
I think all of us would swap Winters for Warford in a heartbeat. The question is would the other 31 teams let us do that. I assume Warford will be a popular free agent on the market. But he is clearly an upgrade over Lewis and Van Roten and Winters and Andrews. I'm not sure if Lewis and Van Roten would be particularly happy with the move, but let them compete for a spot.
@Connor_J_Hughes
The #Jets currently have $18m in cap space, per OTC, with more coming June 1st RE Trumaine Johnson. They can add $7.28m to that by cutting Brian Winters.
Want to build a wall around Sam Darnold? Do it by adding a 28-year-old, three-time Pro Bowler in the prime of his career
He’s only 28 and has a track record that far exceeds anything we have on the roster.
He also had a down year last year.
Eagles lead the NFL with 9 contracts that average at least $10M a year. Cowboys, Browns, Bucs, Texans, Vikings and Bears all have 8. Jets are last with just 2.
This is a fun tweet https://twitter.com/jason_otc/status/1258949181592547329?s=21Sign him for $9.9999 million per year.
Means we have room to add one in Warford if we want too
This is a fun tweet https://twitter.com/jason_otc/status/1258949181592547329?s=21
Means we have room to add one in Warford if we want too
Fun fact, we took Milliner, Richardson, and Geno Smith ahead of Warford.
Big Ticket bringing the human kindness
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1259882245072052227
I don't want to get carried away here, but he's probably going to be the greatest player to ever pull on a Jets jersey.Idk man seems like has a bad attitude and is pretty lazy
Idk man seems like has a bad attitude and is pretty lazySloppy fatz
https://twitter.com/waynechrebet/status/1270018345773993986?s=09
Wake me up when Chrebet has an OnlyFans
That cameo stuff is pretty cool. One of the managers got one for our company all hands call a few weeks ago from Greg Grunberg (Snap Wexley in Star Wars). He seems like a nice dude.
Greg Grunberg is also Matt Parkman from Heroes.
These results are shocking. Shocking, I tell you. No one could have predicted where we came on this.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019
These results are shocking. Shocking, I tell you. No one could have predicted where we came on this.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019
These results are shocking. Shocking, I tell you. No one could have predicted where we came on this.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019
CLE top 3, dynasty
I don't think you've read the article or the charts properly.BELIEVELAND
The Jets have replaced longtime head trainer John Mellody, ESPN has learned. His longtime assistant, Dave Zuffelato, will take his place. Mellody will remain as a consultant. The team had a rash of injuries last season.
Cimini
https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1273043760641986560?s=21
I've heard this was building for awhile as there has been friction specifically between Adam Gase and Mellody, someone who has been highly praised in Jets org. for 2 decades
Friction between [person] and Adam Gase?! SHOCKING
Friction between [person] and Adam Gase?! SHOCKING
Hey because if there's definitive proof that someone knows what they're doing, its spending two decades with the Jets.Unstoppable douche vs immovable turd
I’m sorry but after the ridiculous injuries we have had I would have hoped for more sweeping changes to the training staff.
And as against Gase as I am, how can you not expect him to be pissed at the training staff? They mishandled Mosley’s return to the field, Herndon may or may not have had his injury exacerbated, the entire Osemele situation, the number of guys that simply couldn’t get on the field?
Our training staff was absolutely NOT good last year, and frankly probably haven’t been for some time. It’s time for changes, and unfortunately I had hoped for more
Our offense was the biggest POS in the league last year.....nobody from the offensive coaching staff was fired.
Quite a few of our offensive linemen were fired.
Duff would potentially still be in power here instead of Joe Douglas if not for the GodCoach Adam Gase
Wasn't Duff the one that scuttled the Rhule hiring in the first place because he wanted input on the staff?I thought ownership did that because the team's weird hierarchy. I could be misremembering though.
If that's the case, what an insane butterfly effect considering his own fate and that of Rhule getting handed that insane contract a year later from Carolina.
As far as I remember, Rhule and the Jets disagreed over Rhule’s proposed offensive coordinator. The team wanted him to pick someone who was more seasoned in the NFL and Rhule didn’t want to take a job where the front office had veto power on his staff.Yes, rhule asked bill Parcells and Parcells said not to take a job where he couldn't pick his staff.
As far as I remember, Rhule and the Jets disagreed over Rhule’s proposed offensive coordinator. The team wanted him to pick someone who was more seasoned in the NFL and Rhule didn’t want to take a job where the front office had veto power on his staff.
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
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25m
Jets special teams coach Brant Boyer said it will be an open competition at kicker between Sam Ficken and Brett Maher. #nyj
i'd be floored if Ficken wins the job.
Ficken must have gay porn pics of the entire front office.Manish will get to the powerbottom of this.
Manish will get to the powerbottom of this.
Honestly, when we signed Maher, this is kind of what I expected. Two mediocre kickers going against each other, and hopefully they catch lightning in a bottle. Ficken wasn't great, but he wasn't awful, and I don't think he's actually ever entered training camp as the incumbent, so maybe that gives him some extra confidence. Maher is basically Nick Folk 2.0 in terms of being a Cowboys kicker who was good for a few years, then had one really bad year, and we got him on the rebound. Hopefully, he is as good here as Folk was.
Just found a deck of "Jets Legends" playing cards in my closet
You have a first edition Jeff Cumberland?
Names like that are why I drink in the morning.Cumby
The mental gymnastics we used to do trying to convince ourselves that Cumberland actually had the potential to become a good player are still fresh in my head.I mean he was no chris baker
Names like that are why I drink in the morning.
You have a first edition Jeff Cumberland?I doubt very many players from the last decade are in it.
This team sucks.
lol
this team does suck. why are we fans
at least some of you get to taste success with the yankees. my dad should have rocked me when he found out i was a jets/knick/mets fan
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/01/report-jets-still-talking-to-demaryius-thomas/
GoodMims already has Tough Shop Loggains mentoring him
Bring him in to mentor Denzel Mims
Mims already has Tough Shop Loggains mentoring him
"I would love to be a Denver Bronco," Thomas said on 104.3 The Fan on Wednesday, via Nicki Jhabvala of The Athletic. "That's where I got drafted, that's where I played well. ... A lot of friends that consider me family are out there. I love Denver. But it had to go down the way it did. It is what it is. I'll retire there one day."
"It would be amazing," Thomas said of re-signing with Denver. "Like I said, I was talking to Courtland about it the other day, and I was telling him, I'm not coming to try to be no No. 1 or whatever. I ain't trying to be that. I'm just trying to be a part of something I can help win. I ain't trying to be no big shot. I want to be a part of something that I can help win because I know I can still play ball. I still got good ball in me.
"It would be great. I would finish there if I came back. I wouldn't go nowhere else."
Granted this was 2 months ago but Thomas sounds like he's still got Bronco blood in him, fwiw
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/demaryius-thomas-says-he-would-love-to-be-a-bronco-in-2020-now-that-hes-healthy/
He can want them, but they don’t want him. Having just drafted Jeudy and Hamler with Sutton in the gold, there’s no spot on the roster for a vet that won’t play Teams at a high level.
Frankly if we want him back / he is willing to play for vet minimum, he will be a Jet IMO. But if we only want him back at the min or on a non-guaranteed deal worth a Good bit above the minimum, then He may well not play for us again
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/07/ladainian-tomlinson-signing-new-york-jets-best-career-decision-san-diego-chargers/amp/
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/07/ladainian-tomlinson-signing-new-york-jets-best-career-decision-san-diego-chargers/amp/
Probably my favourite player ever.
Polite
Ashtyn Davis is the only unsigned rookie
zuniga haha
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1285569588227448835?s=21
I wish I had that problem and the ability to deck out my place with amazing memorabilia
Spoke to my boy @clownejd today, told me to the tell the @nyjets to come get him!! Let’s make it happen https://t.co/RDbNZGWUiN
The #Jets have an opt-out: OL Leo Koloamatangi, source said, informed the team that he’ll do so due to COVID-19 concerns. He got playing time late last season.
Season's over
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1288227443124379648?s=20
Rookie DBs Bryce Hall (5th round pick) and Shyheim Carter (priority UDFA) were placed on the COVID-19 list
Just so there's no confusion that's not the opt out list, but the list of confirmed covid and or quarantined
They tested positive
Maybe Gase will opt out.
Then he’ll have to come up with a new excuse to skip all of his family holidays this year.
They tested aladeen
https://twitter.com/NewsdaySports/status/1288482425539047426?s=19
https://twitter.com/NewsdaySports/status/1288482425539047426?s=19
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Vilma was a class act. Dealing him was right up there with taking Gholston in terms of the worst of Tangini.Loved Vilma as a Jet but I remember some shitty uncalled for remark he made about the Jets years later and it kinda pissed me off. IIRC it may have been during the fallout from Bountygate and he was denying something that "leaked" from a Saints source and he said "no, this isn't the Jets."
At least with Gholston there were a lot of people who thought he was can't miss. That Vilma trade was like the Knicks handing Jerome James a 55 million dollar contract-bad idea the second it happened.
I was thinking of making a new thread for the incoming Epstein stuff, but I can't come up with anything creative.I agree we could use a dedicated Epstein thread.
Famous Pedos: The Epstein Years?
I agree we could use a dedicated Epstein thread.
Vilma was a class act. Dealing him was right up there with taking Gholston in terms of the worst of Tangini.JV: under Herm in a 4-3; Mangini went 3-4. Saints were 4-3 until Rob Ryan became DC in 2013. JV's 2012 year was....interesting..
At least with Gholston there were a lot of people who thought he was can't miss. That Vilma trade was like the Knicks handing Jerome James a 55 million dollar contract-bad idea the second it happened.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jetsxfactor/status/1291003523958624258This might be the most fun I've had as a Jets fan in person. I loved looking at the players' reactions to the fans going nuts. Some seemed to be nodding their heads. Some looked confused.
Great game and experience
This might be the most fun I've had as a Jets fan in person. I loved looking at the players' reactions to the fans going nuts. Some seemed to be nodding their heads. Some looked confused.The only remember three things about that game.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jetsxfactor/status/1291003523958624258
Great game and experience
I literally can’t even imagine a crowd like this at MetLife
Geiger is apparently now a fashion designer
https://johngeigerco.com/
70$ t-shirts and 320 dollar shoes
Who the freak would buy that excrement
I'm not interested in the clothes he makes as streetwear isn't really my thing, but those prices are far from unreasonable. Let me guess, you shop at George?
70$ for a t-shirt is far from unreasonable?George shopper confirmed
Not formal wear, not semi formal wear not a golf shirt or button-down
But a basic freaking t-shirt.
I'm a little confused as you seem to be all about the little man, yet I'm pretty sure the average person spends much closer to 10 dollars on a t-shirt not 70
George shopper confirmed
Let me know how many people on this board own a pair of SNEAKERS they paid over 300$ forI have at least four pairs of shoes I've paid that much for. I'm not big on sneakers but I know they easily go for that and a lot more.
I have at least four pairs of shoes I've paid that much for. I'm not big on sneakers but I know they easily go for that and a lot more.
70$ for a t-shirt is far from unreasonable?
Not formal wear, not semi formal wear not a golf shirt or button-down
But a basic freaking t-shirt.
I'm a little confused as you seem to be all about the little man, yet I'm pretty sure the average person spends much closer to 10 dollars on a t-shirt not 70
And I don't know any man whose ever spent 300 dollars on a pair of sneakers, let alone 200. Hell spending 100 on them is freaking retarded.
If you wanna talk about business wear or formal attire then I'll give you a maybeeeee that it's not batshit crazy.
But for basic excrement, freak no
Let's see how many other guys on this board chime in that they have over 1000 dollars in non formal/business attire shoes
I'm not interested in the clothes he makes as streetwear isn't really my thing, but those prices are far from unreasonable. Let me guess, you shop at George?They're unreasonable for normal people.
70$ for a t-shirt is far from unreasonable?$100 is the high end of what I would consider palatable for a pair of sneakers, but I'm usually able to find something I want in the $60 area.
Not formal wear, not semi formal wear not a golf shirt or button-down
But a basic freaking t-shirt.
I'm a little confused as you seem to be all about the little man, yet I'm pretty sure the average person spends much closer to 10 dollars on a t-shirt not 70
And I don't know any man whose ever spent 300 dollars on a pair of sneakers, let alone 200. Hell spending 100 on them is freaking retarded.
If you wanna talk about business wear or formal attire then I'll give you a maybeeeee that it's not batshit crazy.
But for basic excrement, freak no
$70 for a t-shirt is honestly nothing special either. You'll pay $50 for a tour shirt at a gig and that's just screenprinted Fruit Of The Loom crap. $70 for something from a moderately OK designer is a bargain, you can easily pay three times that.What the freak, I've never paid more than $20 or $25 for a concert t shirt.
They're unreasonable for normal people.
Imagine getting ripped off and painting it as having excellent taste.
FWIW I spend a lot of money, or at least I used to, on sneakers, shoes, and boots.
The most I've ever spent on footwear were for these.
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https://bit.ly/3fMpTON
In the fall/winter I wear them basically every day. 6/7 years later they still look amazing and I expect to get atleast another 5 years out of them.
Imagine if I had done that.$70 for a t shirt
People who think that it is acceptable to wear camouflage pattern cargo shorts have surrendered any and all right to hold an opinion on fashion.
Those Hitler Youth boots are #gayThank you for your fashion advice
https://www.timberland.com/shop/mens-kendrick-side-zip-waterproof-boots-a2cb2140Why do your work boots have zippers and laces that don't work?
So I can keep it real at work
$70 for a t shirt
What the freak, I've never paid more than $20 or $25 for a concert t shirt.
https://www.timberland.com/shop/mens-kendrick-side-zip-waterproof-boots-a2cb2140
So I can keep it real at work
Why do your work boots have zippers and laces that don't work?For blue collar aesthetic virtue signaling
Why do your work boots have zippers and laces that don't work?
Zippers on boots are really useful, they're much easier than laces when your fingers are frozen.
What the freak, I've never paid more than $20 or $25 for a concert t shirt.
I wear these Dansko clogs at work, they were about $100.
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I wear these Dansko clogs at work, they were about $100. Fugly as excrement, but they have been a life saver for my feet since I'm on them a lot. I don't care if they are pink with rainbow glitter. They've lasted me 5 years, still in decent shape.
i hate the look but i can see the appeal, a ton of my coworkers have them, so long as they feel comfortable in them that's all that matters.
i've honestly never worn them but my own opinion has always been that i could find a pair of nike/adidas sneaks that both look good and feel good.
Zippers on boots are really useful, they're much easier than laces when your fingers are frozen.
For blue collar aesthetic virtue signaling
They're also usually a good indicator of poor quality, especially for leather goods.
I care more about durability than qualityI see durability and quality as synonyms.
I see durability and quality as synonyms.
The thickness of the leather, the welting, the soling. It effects the durability.
A company using good quality 1/4inch leather is never going to cut it to add a zipper. It only ruins the integrity of the leather.
I have a pair of black leather boots that are probably as thin as the Timberlands, and my feet get wet and cold, and the leather lost its structure. They also can't be resoled.
The price tag on these are too rich for most people, and I understand that. We all choose to spend our money differently. But DCM saying it is retarded to spend >$300 for footwear just shows he has no clue what he is talking about. It would be like me saying its stupid to buy an Audi when I could get a KIA for half the price.
I was more referring to casual excrement, like the 350 dollar shoes made in a sweat shop in India by a 4 year old from 5 dollars in material, that they then jack up the price 1500% because they wrote some jerkoffs name on it.Design and art is not valued at the cost of labor and parts. Its the value it demands.
Regardless even among boot wearing Americans, I'd be willing to guess at least 95% of people who wear boots regularly have never spent over 300$ on a pairThat doesn't make it wrong
Design and art is not valued at the cost of labor and parts. Its the value it demands.
That doesn't make it wrong
Well my original statement was that those prices are unreasonable, especially for normal people.I think in a capitalistic society demand creates value and sets price.
Sure everyone is entitled to spend their own money on anything they want. They work for it, they should spend it how they want.
That doesn't mean that there aren't countless freaking idiotic ways to spend it.
Would you say a guy is freaking stupid if he spent 300$ on a haircut? What about a pedicure?
We live in a country where the median net worth of someone under the age of 35 is 11,000. Do you think it's a little ridiculous for someone to buy a pair of shoes/sneakers that costs almost 3% of their networth because of "design and art value"?
Would I want to pay $300 for a haircut, no but I guarantee there is a huge difference between that haircut and a barbershop haircut.
If someone places that much value in a haircut and there's enough competition to charge that so be it.
I think in a capitalistic society demand creates value and sets price.
Would I want to pay $300 for a haircut, no but I guarantee there is a huge difference between that haircut and a barbershop haircut.
If someone places that much value in a haircut and there's enough competition to charge that so be it.
I think the idea of making blanket statement and calling spending money on something stupid because you are not educated enough on the topic (not an insult) and value different things is in and of itself stupid.
I also love the idea that men think they are somehow superior to others because they don't invest in fashion.
I don't think men are superior because they don't invest in fashion. I think we live in a world where MOST people are lower or lower middle class. Most people have little to no savings, have debt they can't afford, and many live paycheck to paycheck.I'm aligned your frugality, when homeless people ask me for money for coffee I laugh in their face. I don't buy myself coffee, and you want me to buy you Starbucks?
So yes I would call anyone who is struggling to get by (which statistically is the majority of people) spending obscene sums of money on luxury items stupid.
If you make 250k a year and you wanna spend 400$ on a pair of Jordans, whatever. But I don't think that's a normal or appropriate thing for regular people.
To be fair im also a (relatively) cheap stingy freak who thinks that everyone should be shoving every penny they can afford into their retirement accounts. I also think people who REGULARLY buy Starbucks, get takeout, gamble, play lotto, smoke and surely countless others are all stupid too.
Of course this is coming from a dude who lives off of oatmeal and eggs, so it's safe to say I'm as out of touch with reality as anyone who thinks 300 dollar shoes and 100$ t-shirts is normal
I'm aligned your frugality, when homeless people ask me for money for coffee I laugh in their face. I don't buy myself coffee, and you want me to buy you Starbucks?Homeless people ask you for money for coffee?
No one said $300 for shoes is normal, but its definitely not a new concept in fashion. Also freak geigerr
Homeless people ask you for money for coffee?Is that not a thing down there?
Is that not a thing down there?
"I'm sorry, could you spare a dollar so I can buy a cup of coffee?" or approximately that is a pretty common panhandling line here. Never really thought about it before but I've heard it a lot.
When I was in SC: "lemme hold a dolla!"I've only had one aggressively bad experience with a panhandler, and ironically I believe it did start out with the coffee line.
Here in Austin: "i'm gonna smash your face in with a piece of broken sidewalk!"
I also love the idea that men think they are somehow superior to others because they don't invest in fashion.
in the philly area, homeless people and non-homeless grifters like to congregate at gas stations and
ask to do useless/needless excrement for you in exchange for something. you'll see young able bodied adults hovering around you after you've already started pumping gas -- 'Ay man you want me to pump your gas for you?' I'm already pumping it and I don't need you to do it, go find an under the table job, you actually have the ability to work and not harass me for something nobody needs any help with.
the homeless stand by the doors and enthusiastically greet you like it should entice patrons to give them something. they've loved the coronavirus because now the 'let me get the door for you!' can actually be used to avoid touching something that others have touched. but before coronavirus, it was needless/annoying as hell
also, i hate the panhandlers who start off their stupid story with something like 'i'm sorry, i'm embarrassed to even be doing this'. no you're not. i've run into the same panhandler on different days peddling the same story who didn't even remember he told me that story before.
smh
poor you, I mean the excrement you have to put up with....
you dont know me delavan. i always buy an extra bottle of water or two and hand it to them as i'm heading out. forgive me for being annoyed when people feel the need to try and manipulate me into offering them a small amount of help when i'm going to offer them a small amount of help regardless. like JE i prefer if/when they're just there not really bothering anybody or harassing everybody with how homeless they areYou're right d sw0rdz, I don't know you and I don't doubt for a second your generous nature and your overall generosity of spirit. At the same time you don't know me and didn't know me at the time of this out-of-left-field swipe (https://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4248.msg377728.html#msg377728) so my apologies for being a tit-for-tat jerk. Henceforth, peace & regards.
You're right d sw0rdz, I don't know you and I don't doubt for a second your generous nature and your overall generosity of spirit. At the same time you don't know me and didn't know me at the time of this out-of-left-field swipe (https://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4248.msg377728.html#msg377728) so my apologies for being a tit-for-tat jerk. Henceforth, peace & regards.
To be fair im also a (relatively) cheap stingy freak who thinks that everyone should be shoving every penny they can afford into their retirement accounts.
Is that not a thing down there?
"I'm sorry, could you spare a dollar so I can buy a cup of coffee?" or approximately that is a pretty common panhandling line here. Never really thought about it before but I've heard it a lot.
The NYC I grew up going to was so bad you made a point not to look at or acknowledge anyone. If they talked to you, you just kept walking. Seems like we're getting back to that, I haven't been over there in a little while.
oh excrement...delevan has the memory of a pachyderm #GrudgeSZN
You're right d sw0rdz, I don't know you and I don't doubt for a second your generous nature and your overall generosity of spirit. At the same time you don't know me and didn't know me at the time of this out-of-left-field swipe (https://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4248.msg377728.html#msg377728) so my apologies for being a tit-for-tat jerk. Henceforth, peace & regards.
According to Michael Lombardi re Ngakoue...Wrong thread
Okay, so this one is real, hearing the team deeply involved is the NY Jets.....that's not fake news. does it happen? not sure, but they are trying.
Lachlan Edwards joined the Bills.
Wrong threadYep, forgot the free agency one. My bad. Move it if you must.
Lachlan Edwards joined the Bills.
that was honestly not a swipe, i just thought that your posting style and SG3's would have made for good entertainment, so apologies for any misunderstanding. from my end, no offenses taken or present, and no issues here
addendum: i just saw the response in that thread lol, and no, my post was not meant for you to be the new punching bag of the board
Wrong thread
Herman Cain dedRipsies
PPS: we should have a Delavan-SG3 cage match
Yep, forgot the free agency one. My bad. Move it if you must.MB has never moved a post in his life
MB has never moved a post in his life
Apparently we are bringing Kevin White for a workout
Just collecting NJ native cast offs.
This has nothing to do with current NYJ talk, but some guy we just hired at work buys and sells Pokemon cards as a side hustle and all I could think about was the time at TGG when someone went off on JohnnyThaJet and he asked them if they had "metapods"
Hot take
The jets will beat the 49ers.
The 49ers passing game is overrated and will not perform without sanders and samuel. Playing at home at 1pm the jets will eek out a close one
Oddsmakers list Jets as front-runners for Yannick Ngakoue
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/oddsmakers-list-jets-front-runners-193230191.html
ngl, there was some funny stuff there back in the day
'so i punched him in the throat, you know? the larrox'
use this thread to post you're war stories (fights)
ok first off a little background... I have extensive military boot camp training, powerlifting 5 times a week; box 2-3 times a week.... basically a human wrecking ball.
ok so me and my neighbor have had beef for a while. goes way back. He got in my face the other day on the staircase saying I stole his mail or some excrement. bumps into me on the way by like he doesn't even know I lift. So I grabbed him by his Larrox ( Throat ) and choked him out while reading his citizens arrest Miranda rights. He ended up pressing aggravated assault charges but I have a feeling justice will prevail once I go through the legal process.
let's hear em boys
Overrated as it is, their passing offense has a much more favorable advantage over our passing defense than ours to theirs
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Lachlan Edwards joined the Bills.
No legitimacy to this, but I would be more than okay throwing a conditional pick at hakeem butler
https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2020/08/26/nfl-trades-hakeem-butler-cardinals-jets/
i wanted butler really badly that year and could have drafted him but ended up with Jashit Polite
We have claimed DB Zane Lewis from the CardinalsFrom Richmond. Prolly Doug.
via NYJ twitter. \
Don't know a thing about him
From Richmond. Prolly Doug.Looks like air force. More "leaders"
Air Force Academy graduate. He comes with a bag of Tostitos.That's part of the contract. If he makes the team.
Uncle Josh is signing to the Eagles' practice squad. I don't know how that works.
Joe Douglass is the Perfect Blend for What the New York Jets Have Needed for a Decade
https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/ny-jets-joe-douglas-deserves-praise-for-offseason
Not sure where this should go but the starting corners are now Austin and Dessir.Good to see it confirmed, but I thought this was expected. Austin showed real promise, and it seemed like he got a necessary humbling from that benching. Poole is the nickel back, and Maulet is the dime back.
Not sure where this should go but the starting corners are now Austin and Dessir.
Yikes.Somehow feels better than last year's
Could this be the weakest tandem in the league?
Yikes.
Could this be the weakest tandem in the league?
Somehow feels better than last year's
Yikes.
Gregg is gonna call a ton of Tampa 2. You can hide weak corners in that system. They have to be willing to tackle more than anything.
I'm mostly worried about miscommunications in the secondary than talent.
Do you mean "less talented" when you say "weak"? Because I feel like the one thing a corner can't be in Tampa 2 is weak, you can't make it work with a soft player who won't properly contact at the LOS.
Yikes.
Could this be the weakest tandem in the league?
this is the state of sports journalism?Why you got to go be do like that? I saw the headline caught my eye and it would make a good post. I bet Kristian Dyer's a piece of ass.
there are about a million write-up/grammatical errors in this piece. literally made me stop reading
Why you got to go be do like that? I saw the headline caught my eye and it would make a good post. I bet Kristian Dyer's a piece of ass.He's a guy
Why you got to go be do like that? I saw the headline caught my eye and it would make a good post. I bet Kristian Dyer's a piece of ass.
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200908/5098ff22c629c219c1a6a2ecbd2ad9d1.jpg)Whatever the male equivalent of sploosh is. Which I guess is just sploosh. Only with semen.
Whatever the male equivalent of sploosh is. Which I guess is just sploosh. Only with semen.Thank you, Ray
Thank you, RayThank you for getting the reference.
He's a guy
Thank you, Ray
Thank you for getting the reference.
ouch! my bad
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LOL this will only haunt you here for a decade or so.
LOL this will only haunt you here for a decade or so.I mean, in 10 years, all the posters here will be dead or somewhere else after this board collapses.
I mean, in 10 years, all the posters here will be dead or somewhere else after this board collapses.
Something has to be up with Hakeem Butler.Maybe he's a COVID truther
https://twitter.com/nypostsports/status/1304813676445270018?s=21Lul.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200913/09b021e0e150a826dbd54e09c928b8ed.gif)
Why you got to go be do like that? I saw the headline caught my eye and it would make a good post. I bet Kristian Dyer's a piece of ass.
https://twitter.com/kristianrdyer/status/1305925348794785792?s=21
Prone bone Dyer
NYJ Communications
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The #Jets have signed LB Paul Worrilow to the practice squad.
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Briiiiiiiiiick
Peyton and Woodson are obvious first ballots. I'd put Peanut and Megatron in on the first ballot too.
I feel like I want to see Mankins go in just out of sympathy. He was such a good player, and to somehow play for the Patriots for 9 years in the 21st century and have no ring blows my mind.
Counterpoint: freak Logan Mankins.
Counterpoint: freak Logan Mankins.
Haha that's fair. The only member of that Patriots dynasty who I really actually like is Vince Wilfork.
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Briiiiiiiiiick
Peyton and Woodson are obvious first ballots. I'd put Peanut and Megatron in on the first ballot too.
Counterpoint: freak Vince Wilfork even harderNah, Fat Vince is cool.
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Briiiiiiiiiick
Peyton and Woodson are obvious first ballots. I'd put Peanut and Megatron in on the first ballot too.
Becton has some opinions. (https://twitter.com/BigTicket73/status/1306344031144861697?s=19)
Why is Heath Miller a nominee? GTFOTo troll Jets fans still mad about the 2005 draft
To troll Jets fans still mad about the 2005 draft
https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/1312026580265435137
They might actually sit Mahomes. I have no idea who his backup is, but I can guarantee he's good enough to beat the Jets without really breaking sweat. Why would you risk a player like Mahomes against a Gregg Williams defense, especially after last night, when you don't need to?
Didn't Q sack Rypien on the last drive of the game when he got the personal foul penalty?
Why didn't that show up in the stat sheet
Because of the personal foulThats stupid.
No different than an int being wiped away by PI or a big run nullified by holding. The play never officially happened because of the penaltyCompletely different the play happened and then the penalty happened
Completely different the play happened and then the penalty happened
Imagine getting upset about that stupid derriere video.
Completely different the play happened and then the penalty happened
https://mobile.twitter.com/JetsHateMe/status/1312883076981288960
It's also a little alarming that we took a quarterback in the 4th round and he isn't even mentioned as an option in any of this.
(And yes, I know Brady was a sixth rounder. That doesn't happen often either.)
Twice in about 100 years, Montana was a late 3rd rounder and Brady.
Russ was also a third rounder
He’s a Hall of Famer
Forgot that. I still think of him as young, he's put a good career together.Crazy to think he's been in the league 8 years already.
Crazy to think he's been in the league 8 years already.
https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/1312798451168616448
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini (https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1314284194126876680)
Jordan Jenkins looks like he was shopping in the team store. #Jets
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3:19 PM · Oct 8, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
Someone has to.MB must respond.
MB must respond.
Is that where he got the Camero?
The Athletic's Nate Taylor reports the Chiefs fear LG Kelechi Osemele suffered torn tendons in both knees Week 5 against the Raiders.
How do you tear tendons in both fo your knees
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30095589/nfl-power-rankings-week-6-1-32-poll-plus-team-biggest-weakness#NYJ
Just because it's true doesn't make it any less hurtful.
In what will go down as the franchise highlight of the season, Mark Sanchez' tenure on the masked singer has ended after after 4 episodes.https://twitter.com/Mark_Sanchez/status/1316545967911563265?s=19
In what will go down as the franchise highlight of the season, Mark Sanchez' tenure on the masked singer has ended after after 4 episodes.
https://twitter.com/Mark_Sanchez/status/1316545967911563265?s=19
https://twitter.com/Mark_Sanchez/status/1316545967911563265?s=19
I've never seen the show but I would definitely tune in if Ken Jeong stays in character as Chang from Community.
Rewatching it right now. I realized I skipped the whole Harmon-less season.
I've never seen the show but I would definitely tune in if Ken Jeong stays in character as Chang from Community.Yvette Nicole Brown's real life personality kind of ruined the show for me.
Rewatching it right now. I realized I skipped the whole Harmon-less season.
Yvette Nicole Brown's real life personality kind of ruined the show for me.?
Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC
How bad has the #Jets front office been the last few years? About 14% of their cash spent this year is spent on players who have been cut. The next closest team is at 6.8%. The NFL average is 2%.
I don't entirely accept this premise as proof of how bad the front office has been. It has been bad and has made some really appalling moves, but there's also an element of the coaching staff's failure to capitalise on the roster they have been given and the assorted GMs can't be blamed for coaches they didn't hire.
?She's one of the rabid anti Sanders celebs
She seems like a nice person in every interview I’ve seen with her.
She's one of the rabid anti Sanders celebs
Yvette Nicole Brown's real life personality kind of ruined the show for me.
According to this (https://www.nfl.com/news/sudden-opportunity-to-start-positions-cowboys-andy-dalton-for-big-payday) the Jets offered Andy Dalton a contract in the offseason, which doesn't say much for Douglas and Gase's belief in Darnold or their attempts to try and help him improve.You guys are insane with some of your takes now.
The sooner every single one of the management organisation is gone the sooner this team has a chance of moving on.
You guys are insane with some of your takes now.I'm with DS on this one....that was a stupid take.
The Jets try to sign Andy Dalton as a backup, and your take is that that means the Jets think Darnold sucks?
Does that logic work for Joe Flacco as well, or no?
You guys are insane with some of your takes now.
The Jets try to sign Andy Dalton as a backup, and your take is that that means the Jets think Darnold sucks?
Does that logic work for Joe Flacco as well, or no?
I don't think that Flacco is a legitimate starter in the NFL any more, I loved his signing because it felt like the right kind of veteran to help Sam rather than replace him. Flacco has always been a calm presence in the pocket and a good judge of when to go deep, I thought we were signing him for the right reasons.Flacco and Dalton are in the same tier imo
Dalton is a different proposition: he's younger and better than Flacco, and still good enough to be a starter for a lot of teams in the league. The Jets signing him would have been a completely different proposition. If we only signed Flacco because Dalton wasn't interested, it puts a very different complexion on things for me.
Flacco and Dalton are in the same tier imo
And I think you're overreacting to this
I don't think so at all. Flacco is several years older and wasn't very good in Denver. Dalton is still a legit starter. They're completely different propositions.Dalton stinks...
I love these debates where the discussion is which turd is more shinyPretty much been every debate on this board the last few years.
Pretty much been every debate on this board the last few years.
"Adam Gase is the worst."
"No, Adam Gase is even worse than that."
Pretty much been every debate on this board the last few years.
"Adam Gase is the worst."
"No, Adam Gase is even worse than that."
What else have we had to argue about?Flying Alligator vs Flying Shark was fun back on tgg
Pretty much been every debate on this board the last few years.
"Adam Gase is the worst."
"No, Adam Gase is even worse than that."
Apparently Steve McLendon just got traded. Did not feel that this warranted it's own thread.
I found something we are good at.
Not only do we currently have the toughest SOS in the league for games played, but also in projected 16 game schedule.
This is why we will lose any tiebreaker for the #1 overall pick. Our SOS is the toughest in football
One more excuse for the Adam Gase "See? It's not my fault Mr. Johnson!" pile.
25% off in the Jets shop online until 4 PM EST
https://twitter.com/jakebrownradio/status/1323392944943058944?s=21
#Jets special teams coach Mike Westhoff kept it real on the state of the Jets.
"I'd bring the exterminator in to that building. It's a mess. It's like a joke. It's been a joke."
25% off in the Jets shop online until 4 PM EST
25% off in the Jets shop online until 4 PM EST
Pretty sure that's every day. They send me daily emails about their discounts.I never get those. I saw an IG ad.
I'd bring the exterminator in to that building. It's a mess. It's like a joke. It's been a joke.
Pretty sure that's every day. They send me daily emails about their discounts.
I love the Jets. If 2021 means a dynamic replacement for Gase, Trevor Lawrence, exciting (healthy & available) draft picks, FA help, an in-shape, amped Mosley and a Covid-free landscape training camp-wise and schedule-wise, I can wait out 2020. What else is there? I'm more looking forward to seeing what 2021 draft prospects emerge when the Pac-12 starts play this weekend.
#getalife
i kinda dont want to see mosley in a jet uniform ever againWe've hardly ever seen it to begin with.
He's been out of the game for a season due to injury and another due to opting out for COVID. The last time we brought in a player who sat out a year it didn't really work out too well.
If he has no gas left in the tank, then you cut him. I'm fine with that too.
I'm just saying the investment was made, and if he's still got the juice let him play.
The problem is we can't really cut him without taking a major cap hit.
I'm just saying prepare for the worst.
The problem is we can't really cut him without taking a major cap hit.His salary next year isn't very high because it was spread across two year.
I'm just saying prepare for the worst.
His salary next year isn't very high because it was spread across two year.
With that said, there is no way we cut him. If he doesn't want to play here we can definitely get something for him in a trade.
i kinda dont want to see mosley in a jet uniform ever again
Source for the salary proration? I thought he was just getting his $100k this year and his contract was shifting a season to the right.
This came out when he opted out, but he had a roster Bonus in March of about $10 million. So his actual salary was like $6 million this year. Which got cut to whatever it was due to Opting opt. Then his contract gets pushed back to next year. So for this years cap he got the roster bonus in March of $10 million, but his base salary essentially gets pushed to next year (aside from the opt-out payment of a few hundred K) then what was his 2021 salary is deferred to 2022 pushing the rest of his contract back a year.
So if memory serves his cap hit next year is like $5.85 million. However if we cut him or trade him the remaining guaranteed money accelerates onto the 2021 cap and we take like a $22 million dollar hit or something like that. Anyways he will now be a Jet through the 2022 season barring something totally absurd
I wouldn't expect Mosley to be what he once was, and it's possible he comes back two steps slower. But he was an elite MLB two years ago, and I hope he comes back and plays like it here.
I don't have ill will towards him holding out this season. I would have preferred him playing, but given the COVID issues around the NFL and given how freaking bad we are, I don't blame him. I'm sure the money made his decision easier..
I had no problem with him sitting out this season, I just didn't like signing him right after signing Williamson. Moot point now with Williamson's contract on the Steelers' hands, but I'm weary of what we will actually get out of someone who has been out of the game for two seasons.
He's still only 28 and with two years of little or no contact he should be in great condition. I would have pretty high hopes of him coming back somewhere near his best.I do think there's a better chance of him returning to elite play than there was with Bell. Easy to say in retrospect, but I also think that every tiny athletic edge matters a lot more at running back than it does at MLB. Mosley is a very smart player, though obviously he needs to retain some of his athleticism.
We should probably just keep him because we have a fuckton of cap space (per dcm) to spend on other position groups and who else are we going to get in FA/Draft that’s better at MLB?
Jets release Quincy Wilson.
/Season
Thank god we traded a 6th in the middle of the draft for him
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-hidden-cameras-locker-room-20201107-7yypllxtwjcn5oxacjsqxlsgoe-story.html
so weve been spying on our players since we moved but apparently the players knew but didnt know and the nfl said its ok.
so like, were prob not gonna sign any big FAs for awhile.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30267154/everybody-loves-frank-gore-one-bright-spot-dark-jets-season
https://twitter.com/Endless__Hustle/status/1325911537714913280
Mangold discussing Tebow refusing to call a play called "Y Oh excrement Screen"
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1328692730982174724?s=21
Interview with Coles/Chrebet
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1330921420424142848?s=19
New York Jets
@nyjets
We’ve signed QB Mike White to the practice squad.
5:32 PM · Nov 24, 2020
Jets placed LB Harvey Langi on injured reserve with a neck injury, ending his season.
The 2017 UDFA has been an every-down player over the past month. 2020 is the first time Langi has seen extensive playing time. He has been a liability for one of the league's worst defenses. Already 28, a neck issue bodes poorly for Langi's NFL future.
Hopefully it’s career ending
If he never gets another job it is isn’t it?
He's starting in the NFL and he's 28. He'll get on someone's roster.
He is a fifth string LB.I'm not claiming he's good, I'm saying he'll get a job.
Marcus Maye voted Team MVP.
We all know the real team MVP will be the one who fires Gase.It would be funny if the Jets wait a few days after Black Monday to fire him just to freak with the fans.
It would be funny if the Jets wait a few days after Black Monday to fire him just to freak with the fans.
It would be funny if the Jets wait a few days after Black Monday to fire him just to freak with the fans.Weird definition of funny.
Snacks retired.
Snacks retired.He didn't retire, he was waived.
He didn't retire, he was waived.You can't waive me, I retire!
He didn't retire, he was waived.
And then Pete Carroll said that Snacks had told him he's done playing...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201229/706fdc8b3fee929e927049b86fd5f08c.jpg)
Let's sign Snacks and not let up another freaking yard of rushing next week.
5-2 defense.
I would love him back, but it's not really a position we need to spend resources on. Q and Snacks next to each other though? No fucker's running on that defense.1 game check.
Let's sign Snacks and not let up another freaking yard of rushing next week.
5-2 defense.
So I wandered over to TGG today to see how they are celebrating Gases firing and I stumbled onto this.
Please be advised that you might not walk away from this with all your brain cells
https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/mock-1-0-going-big-in-2021-using-qbs.95046/
I was along for the ride until I got to the fifth pick, then I had to read it a few times to figure out that he did actually mean what I first read it as.
I was along for the ride until I got to the fifth pick, then I had to read it a few times to figure out that he did actually mean what I first read it as.
Edit: LOL, now I have read it all. Please don't ever post a link to that site on here ever again. Not because I'm offended by the site, but because I'm concerned that even a link could make the stupid leak over here and we already have enough.
So I wandered over to TGG today to see how they are celebrating Gases firing and I stumbled onto this.
Please be advised that you might not walk away from this with all your brain cells
https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/mock-1-0-going-big-in-2021-using-qbs.95046/
So in sum, best case scenarioNow I regret not reading past the Mosley trade.
Jets acquire:
#5 (WR JaMarr Chase)
#8 (EDGE Gregory Rousseau)
#12 (G Wyatt Davis)
#15
#20
#28
2nd round (36) from ATL
2nd round (40) from CAR
2nd round (44) from SF
4th round from NE
ATL 2022 2nd
CAR 2022 2nd
CIN 2022 3rd
SF 2022 3rd
Jets give up:
#2
LB CJ Mosley
QB Sam Darnold
Moved to Jets and out:
QB Matt Ryan (to SF for #12 + picks)
QB Jimmy Garoppolo (to NE for #15)
QB Teddy Bridgewater (to CHI for #20)
idk seems pretty realistic to me
Now I regret not reading past the Mosley trade.
Oh excrement you missed all the fun with the QBs. We were trading them in and out like it was a Hackney market stall.Trading Garoppolo back to NE is just *chef's kiss*
Trading Garoppolo back to NE is just *chef's kiss*
Whose original accounts aren't banned?
Brian CostelloHe will regain a year of college eligibility and follow Gase to Alabama.
@BrianCoz
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1m
Frank Gore said he has not made a decision on his future yet. Said he will take some down time before making that decision on 2021. #nyj
you're done.
Whose original accounts aren't banned?
Whose original accounts aren't banned?
It is funny how after ignoring One Jets Drive since early in the year because this team disgusted me, I am excited to watch the episode right after Gase is fired.I got the email reminder and was like "why the freak would I watch this?"
Never heard of himHe was our OL coach for the last 2 seasons
He was our OL coach for the last 2 seasons
He was our OL coach for the last 2 seasonsExactly
I'm banned there, but I have an alt over there i very rarely post on. I got champ mad by asking about his age, so it was worthwhile.
So I wandered over to TGG today to see how they are celebrating Gases firing and I stumbled onto this.I gave up by the time I read the CJ Mosely trade
Please be advised that you might not walk away from this with all your brain cells
https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/mock-1-0-going-big-in-2021-using-qbs.95046/
I gave up by the time I read the CJ Mosely tradeantoniobanderaslaptop.gif
Jesus christ
Imagine spending that time formulating that and thinking you crushed it as you hit post
antoniobanderaslaptop.gif
Bleacher Report
@BleacherReport
Deshaun Watson’s top two choices for trade destinations, per
@ArmandoSalguero
* Jets
* Dolphins
https://twitter.com/DLeeMG8/status/1354810359308144645?s=19
Lol
https://twitter.com/DLeeMG8/status/1354810359308144645?s=19
Lol
Scoop from dad:
"Jets emailed me about next season. They are changing parking set up from green, yellow and orange to platinum and gold. Green is now platinum and orange and yellow are both gold."
Lot D, formerly yellow, now gold
A ripoff by any other name is still a ripoff.Yeah, I doubt the parking price is going down.
Yeah, I doubt the parking price is going down.
Foley Fatukasi appearance on Colbert last night.
UUUUUUUUCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNN
https://twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1358647194153287685?s=20
https://twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1358647194153287685?s=20
Would carry Crowder at his cap number unless they're moving on from Sam.
I'd keep him unless we can replace him. Even if we draft a strong slot prospect like Rondale Moore or Elijah/Rondale Moore, Crowder is still the best option on the roster...until he isn't.I'd try to extend him to spread out his cap hit a little. He's worth keeping for a few years. What he brings would help any QB here. If we cut him, he won't get what he's getting here this year, so he has motivation to extend things unless he just wants out.
The Jets don't need to make cuts to clear up space. Pay him for a year and let him help whoever comes in at QB. He's reliable and seems like a good locker room guy.
I'd try to extend him to spread out his cap hit a little. He's worth keeping for a few years. What he brings would help any QB here.
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1362959660949594113?s=19
Tanny pays to promote his tweets
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210330/ddf239099e0049006202bdb6b867683b.jpg)
Tanny pays to promote his tweetsGot it. Trading for qbs infect them with bad genes
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210330/ddf239099e0049006202bdb6b867683b.jpg)
Sewell at 2, confirmed.
https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1376664404595462145 (https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1376664404595462145)
I bought the Lil Sweet with a Whole Lotta Heat. Will review in a week or so.
$25 for a BBQ sauce? That shot better be mother freaking deliciousIt'll taste like his sister
It'll taste like his sister(https://i.gifer.com/Rz2.gif)
It'll taste like his sister
https://twitter.com/ShaunDonovanNYC/status/1377601547669016580?s=19
Am I being punkedCheck the date
Am I being punked
Bring the Jets to NYC: Within 2 years of being elected, the city will begin construction on a multi-purpose Rich Kotite Stadium on Governors Island, adjacent to Andrew Yang Hotel & Casino which will be built simultaneously.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1377695538720739329?s=20He was impersonating a WR.
Sewell at 2, confirmed.
https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1376664404595462145 (https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1376664404595462145)
I bought the Lil Sweet with a Whole Lotta Heat. Will review in a week or so.
Very sweet, strong maple syrup flavor. Not very spicy; the heat is sriracha, which I'm not really a fan of. 6/10On the JFIF scale, that's a highly fuckable sauce.
On the JFIF scale, that's a highly fuckable sauce.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1379176975537991682?s=19
Creepy
Hopefully we're not mirroring Miami's success with their top 5 QB.Lucky for us, we already did our tour of duty with Chan Gailey as our OC.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1379176975537991682?s=19AFC East incest.
Creepy
What in the freak did I just watchmj2sexay on draft night
FYI: today on NFL Network is Jets vs. Raiders from 12:30 - 3:30 p.m. EDT. Turn it off at 3:29.I had to rack my brain for a minute as to why we would turn it off with 1 minute left. Thanks for the reminder as to how Greg Williams is our savior
mj2sexay on draft night
https://twitter.com/NFLPA/status/1383161276151562240/photo/1
(https://i.imgur.com/YHlMP0e.jpg)Ok, lolBright gets a point for that one.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/27/jets-are-the-worldwide-leader-in-producing-espn-analysts/Hardly a shock that a team in NY produces more players with media connections than Jacksonville or Nashville or Phoenix.
how freaking sad is this?!
Hardly a shock that a team in NY produces more players with media connections than Jacksonville or Nashville or Phoenix.
Hardly a shock that a team in NY produces more players with media connections than Jacksonville or Nashville or Phoenix.
I don't see any Giants on that espn roster.
They might not be on ESPN, but plenty of Giants have gone on to broadcasting careers - Strahan, Tiki Barber, Phil Simms are all obvious examples.
that list in the NYPost was well over 10. In the Jets case, the majority of them couldn't cut the mustard in the league and retired in shame to a career in broadcasting.
Rex, Sanchez, Mangini, McElroy, Herm Edwards, Tanny.
I still think Mangini deserves another shot at being a HC.
Three of those guys were keys to one of the most successful periods in recent team history, and reached a level most players, coaches and GMs never hit. Another one was an architect of that period, and another one has over two decades of experience in the NFL as a player and head coach. "Couldn't cut the mustard in the league" isn't really true at all of any of them except McElroy.
They all fizzled out before they should have. My point stands.#FireSalehHireRex
Rex being the biggest fart of them all.
#FireSalehHireRex
Kind of funny this is an article now. ESPN has been signing ex-Jets coaches and players for years.How?
There was a time where ESPN had Parcells, Mangini, Holtz, and Herm all at the same time, and this was before Rex.
I'm in the wrong thread. freak it.Technically nothing in here doesn't belong. Unless it's something worthy of a new thread.
How?Before Rex was at the network I mean
Eric Decker's kid is obsessed with his dad's Jets tenure
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CO9QpKsHU6w/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
WR1 in the 2038 draft class, you can already see itHes studying film already . Draft him
Corey Davis=black Eric Decker.
https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1396197242349015040?s=19
I’m definitely going to enjoy watching that. Should be a big improvement over1 Jet dive with Adam fuckface Gase
1 Jets Drive and Adam freaking Gase
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1401332275242012674?s=21
This is dope
Can anyone do a left-to-right? The only faces I recognize are Drunk QB1, FeenGod, Nick Frost from Hot Fuzz and MTV's Dan Cortese.One of the black guys is one of the Michael Carters.
One of the black guys is one of the Michael Carters.https://twitter.com/8kMike/status/1401339299556102145
https://twitter.com/8kMike/status/1401339299556102145Blacho Man
One of the black guys is one of the Michael Carters.
Was Eric Smith black or white?
Bo, you've been absolutely on fire with the Macho Man gifs and I love it. Best ever.
Not sure if anyone saw this, Jets worked out Obi Melifonwu. Meh.
(https://i.imgur.com/uSmauPv.png)I'M GOIN IN
I suggest you do not go to the Facebook comments section of this.
Flight 2021 premiered tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kri9-Oo3dt8
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/o6zu1g/highlight_nfls_greatest_moments_of_the_2010s_the/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/o6zu1g/highlight_nfls_greatest_moments_of_the_2010s_the/)
Still awesome
i've been sporting wood through the first 2 episodes so far.
https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/2021-jets-flight-crew-roster-announced
While some (e.g. Tracey) are cute, the overall Flight Crew grade is at best a C-minus........Rachel belongs in a kennel
I thought about bumping the new uni thread, but Badger might stab me.
I want to see this:
https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1408533699705118722?s=20 (https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1408533699705118722?s=20)
That looks terrible.
That looks terrible.I'm so tired of every team doing blackout jerseys.
I'm so tired of every team doing blackout jerseys.
Enough
Lets not concern ourselves too much with our flight crew when our team has been anything but hot dogshit for the last 10 years.
FTW, you'd still smash on Rachel if given the chance.
[Tannenbaum] Current 25-and-under defenders who generated the most total pressures in 2020, via PFF: #1 Brian Burns - 66, #2 John Franklin-Myers - 55, #3 Harold Landry - 54, #4 Maxx Crosby - 53, #5 Montez Sweat - 49
I thought about bumping the new uni thread, but Badger might stab me.
I want to see this:
https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1408533699705118722?s=20 (https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1408533699705118722?s=20)
Lets not concern ourselves too much with our flight crew when our team has been anything but hot dogshit for the last 10 years.
FTW, you'd still smash on Rachel if given the chance.
That matt black helmet is so freaking nice. I love that we have a heritage but I'd really like to see us looking forward and doing something modern.
I usually think the titans jerseys are overrated, but I could get behind this...
https://mobile.twitter.com/train3dn00b/status/1409182091598831628
They might as well not exist above the jugs. They have faces?
I was rooting around on the interwebz looking for Terry Bradway info, and found this article.
It gave me hives.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2015/story/_/id/12741261/new-york-jets-altered-nfl-history-drafting-kyle-brady-warren-sapp-1995
I don't think it's unreasonable to pass on a guy who tested positive for Marijuana 6 times and for cocaine while in college. Especially 20 years ago when Marijuana had a very different stigma
Last month during the process of meeting with the builders of our house in Reno, I met a former NY Jet. Yesterday I discovered that he literally is going to be my next-door neighbor.
Any guess who it is?
Hint: He's currently out of the NFL. Played for Rex Ryan.
Last month during the process of meeting with the builders of our house in Reno, I met a former NY Jet. Yesterday I discovered that he literally is going to be my next-door neighbor.Nick Folk
Any guess who it is?
Hint: He's currently out of the NFL. Played for Rex Ryan.
If it's Calvin Pace, I can recommend some quality blackout curtains.
Last month during the process of meeting with the builders of our house in Reno, I met a former NY Jet. Yesterday I discovered that he literally is going to be my next-door neighbor.Liam Nadler
Any guess who it is?
Hint: He's currently out of the NFL. Played for Rex Ryan.
Struggling to figure out what I forgot about Calvin Pace.He's watching you masturbate
Last month during the process of meeting with the builders of our house in Reno, I met a former NY Jet. Yesterday I discovered that he literally is going to be my next-door neighbor.
Any guess who it is?
Hint: He's currently out of the NFL. Played for Rex Ryan.
Zach Sudfeld.Psssst...Rex is out of the league too
This is a stupid game. Most players who played under Rex are out of the league.
If it's Calvin Pace, I can recommend some quality blackout curtains.
Nick Folk
Zach Sudfeld.
This is a stupid game. Most players who played under Rex are out of the league.
LOL, it's not Pace.
No sir.
Oh don't be a cranky quente. I'll give you more hints.
HINT #2: If I throw football over my fence to him, I'm not so sure he's going to catch it. Not because I'm a terrible thrower, but because its possibly he may not have good hands. I'm not really sure.
Justin McCareins
Justin McCareins
Stephen Hill
You got way too locked in at the hint about not knowing if he can catch the ball. That was more of a hint that he's not a skill position player ;)Konrad Reuland's corpse
Josh Mauga
Josh Mauga
Was he supposed to open a pizza shop in Brooklyn and leave Mike Westhoff the freak alone?
Was he supposed to open a pizza shop in Brooklyn and leave Mike Westhoff the freak alone?
Damn I thought it was gonna be David Clowney
I feel very special and also brutally reminded that 2010 was a long freaking time ago. Shoutout to dcm forsuggesting an udfa linebacker
That was some impressive detective work.Apparently not for his own son
The last hint was that he also played for Andy Reid, whom he said was a great coach, but the complete opposite of Rex. Too many rules. LOL
That was some impressive detective work.
The last hint was that he also played for Andy Reid, whom he said was a great coach, but the complete opposite of Rex. Too many rules. LOL
Reno? Getting out of Cali?
[Nania] Pro Football Reference released pre-1982 NFL sack totals. It is revealed that in 1981, Joe Klecko had 20.5 sacks while Mark Gastineau had 20.0 – the only duo of 20.0-sack teammates in NFL history.
ESPN ranks the Jets as the second most improved team in the league.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31807057/2021-nfl-offseason-ranking-most-least-improved-teams-1-32-starting-jaguars-jets
It's silly because no matter how good any moves Douglas made are. The improvement/worsening will live and die by Wilson
If he's bad we don't improve at all. If he's great, Joe Douglas gets a statue
It's silly because no matter how good any moves Douglas made are. The improvement/worsening will live and die by Wilson
If he's bad we don't improve at all. If he's great, Joe Douglas gets a statue
No, that was the case with Sam Darnold. When you draft a top quarterback and throw him behind swiss cheese, then the team lives or dies on that quarterback's talent. But when you build a team properly, when you build from the trenches out, then you aren't dependent on a magic quarterback. Take a look at Indianapolis: freaking blindsided by their franchise QB's retirement in 2019, they went 7-9. Then they dressed Philip Rivers' corpse in a Colts jersey the next season and they were right back in the playoffs.
Phillip rivers corpse was top 10 in passing yards with a near 70% completion percentage and a solid but not excellent td:int ratio
Yeah and he was 23:20 the year before.
It's almost like a great line makes the quarterback position easier. Weird.
Fun fact, the San Diego Chargers line features Oday Aboushi in a backup (?) role this year. Somehow that dude has stuck around for eight years in the NFL. Never woulda thunk it. Started 42 games in his career!
https://www.chargers.com/team/players-roster/oday-aboushi/
Offensive line play around the league is not great.
From reading a little bit about other teams' camps, Bengals fans are really worried.As they should be. Taking Chase over Sewell was idiotic for them. I don't care that Burrow is friends with Chase. It won't matter if Burrow gets hurt again.
Offensive line play around the league is not great.
And there are so many replacement-level OL who are good some years and not great other years.
Pat Elflein went from released, to playing relatively well off the street with us, to getting a 3-yr/$13.5M deal.
That's also why I'm hopeful we can get decent production out of the Lewis/GVR/Feeney group at guard. Lewis and GVR have had stretches where they've been decent NFL starters. Feeney was a bad NFL starter, but he could be our version of that guy who a team spent a decent draft pick on and then becomes a rotation guard with his next team.
The problem is when your entire offensive line is full of those guys. When it's just one position entering a year where you have that type of competition, it bodes well for the OL.
I think McGovern and whoever is at RG will be better because LG and RT were upgraded.
GVR should be the right guard
freak that’s embarrassing, I figured there was another couple teams that hadn’t made it eitherThe Bills, Browns, and Lions all came off the list while we've been wandering the desert post-Rex.
freak that’s embarrassing, I figured there was another couple teams that hadn’t made it either
Considering the addition of that second wild card, and the fact that the 01 Mariners won 116 games, that streak is wild.
Embrace misery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIgK56cAjfY
Considering the addition of that second wild card, and the fact that the 01 Mariners won 116 games, that streak is wild.2001 Mariners won 116 games.
EDIT: Long streaks like that don't happen without situations where a team finishes with a record that would normally be good enough (02 Mariners went 93-69), the Jets during that run went 10-6 under Bowles first year in 15, and isn't.
Which makes the Sabres streak even more laughable considering its been ten years of straight trash.
https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/edge/article/sharp-team-previews/gase-gone-jets-are-back"It wasn’t Gase’s fault that the youngest opening-day starting quarterback since the AFL–NFL merger was chewed up and spit out by Jeremy Bates as offensive coordinator in Darnold’s rookie year in 2018."
Lewis will check himself back into the psych ward if he allows a sack
That left Woody to watch games on television, usually in the middle of the night, pacing, cheering and screaming alone in the ambassador's residence so he wouldn't wake anybody up. Being an ambassador was so all-consuming for him -- "The job is pretty much every 15 minutes. There's big opportunities and big problems," he said -- that he said it was not hard for him to be disconnected from the team and he talked to his brother about the Jets only very infrequently.
Inside the silo, Johnson plans to be more visible -- particularly to players -- than he has been in the past.
"You participate in decision making without being obstructionist," Johnson said. "Every owner goes through this -- how hands off, how hands on. I think I was hands off. I think you have to get to know your team. And they have to know you know them. You have to go to practices, and talk to them, make sure they know. I'm for them as long as they are a Jet. And when they're not a Jet."
Ben Standig asked 33 certified agents a series of questions about the league heading into the 2021 season. One of the questions was “Among GMs or front-office leaders, who do you trust the least?” Douglas finished third with three votes. He trailed the Eagles’ Howie Roseman (7 votes) and the Patriots’ Bill Belichick (6 votes).
Standig included two explanations from agents, both of which revolved around ownership and the Jets’ organizational history.
“The organization is so bad, it’s hard to trust anything that comes out of there,” one agent said.
“Part of that is just his circumstances with ownership, but they’ve told multiple players things in the last couple of years that just haven’t been true,” another agent added.
https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-owner-woody-johnson-weighs-in-on-ted-lasso-dig-robert-saleh-zach-wilson-mor (https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-owner-woody-johnson-weighs-in-on-ted-lasso-dig-robert-saleh-zach-wilson-mor)
Dude, freak off, you didn't do excrement. I'm sure there's a few dozen foreign ambassadors who really grind but Woody freaking Johnson wasn't one of them.
Woody seems like the type of ambassador who would constantly be busy and think he's working hard, but mostly be incompetent and unproductive.
Woody seems like the type of ambassador who would constantly be busy and think he's working hard, but mostly be incompetent and unproductive.To be fair, if your boss spends half his time on the golf course then you're not going to put in much of a shift either.
To be fair, if your boss spends half his time on the golf course then you're not going to put in much of a shift either.
Mann out 4-6 weeks.
JesusProbably sign a punter. Can't wear out our kicker punting 65 times. Plus what happens if he gets hurt in game and God forbid we are still in the game?
Are we signing a punter? Or just letting Amendola do it since he had a hell of a game?
The week 1 stats are in and the Jets have the worst rushing YPC in the NFL by a significant margin.
Things are supposed to be different the way we set up Zach Wilson for success.
They're not
The week 1 stats are in and the Jets have the worst rushing YPC in the NFL by a significant margin.
Things are supposed to be different the way we set up Zach Wilson for success.
They're not
The difference with Shanahan’s offense and its various clones is that it’s extraordinarily difficult to teach, especially up front, because, for offensive linemen, most of the required movements are unique to this scheme. Blocking schemes require specific personnel that exclude a lot of standard, lumbering type linemen. Some of the most critical blocks cannot be practiced, because the backside “cutting” techniques, which ask an offensive lineman to dive at the turf, tripping a chasing defender at the hips, are too dangerous to try out on fellow teammates who could easily sustain lower body injuries.
So, having the playbook and the play-caller is one thing. Having the person, or people, to turn some chemically doctored brown swill into whiskey? That’s a different issue altogether, leaving some to wonder whether there’s a coaching crisis on our hands, or just a bunch of premature spirits waiting to ripen.
“It’s gonna take you years, it’s not going to happen overnight,” Mike Shanahan told Sports Illustrated recently from his vacation spot in Cabo. “You gotta believe in it. You gotta be a product of the environment. It’s gonna take time.”
Transitioning to an outside zone scheme is hard and takes time:One of the things that bothers me in sports is thinking "if X strategy is so great why doesn't everyone do it?" so I'm glad to at least have an explanation this time.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/08/16/why-its-hard-to-copycat-the-shanahan-style-offense-daily-cover
(that article name drops the our offensive line coaching process a decent amount too)
Carolina is also really good upfront. Derrick Brown and Brian Burns are two of the best young defensive linemen in the NFL.
We're weak up front. They just bullied us.
I'd like to know who is making the calls and how much say Wilson has at the LOS.
Yes. I watched again and I still can't figure it out.
GVR was making tick calls, which is alarming because that means that McGovern either doesn't have control or he's not seeing it.
I didn't see AVT make any calls, but I wasn't pay that much attention to the left side because our right side was much worse.
Carolina is also really good upfront. Derrick Brown and Brian Burns are two of the best young defensive linemen in the NFL.Doesn't get much easier with New England and Denver coming up unfortunately.
We're weak up front. They just bullied us.
Doesn't get much easier with New England and Denver coming up unfortunately.
Doesn't get much easier with New England and Denver coming up unfortunately.
The #Jets brought in a familiar face today with a need at LB: Veteran LB Avery Williamson, who they traded away to Pittsburgh last season, was in the facility today for a workout.
I'm all for it, Steelers fans said he looked washed last year but washed is probably an upgrade for us.
Injured Reserve has signed Blake Cashman to a one year extension.That boy is getting a Bobby Bonilla deal.
I know this has been brought up ad nauseam but the diverging career trajectories of Avery and Demario following the 2018 offseason never ceases to amaze/confound me. Avery's now considered washed at 29 while Demario is still one of the top linebackers in the game at 32.
McCagnan deserves nightly crank phone calls about his refrigerator running just for letting Demario Davis walk alone.
Except I don't remember anyone questioning the move at the time.
That boy is getting a Bobby Bonilla deal.We're gonna pay him $3.50 every year until 2050?
https://twitter.com/DarrylSlater/status/1437762626365308935?s=19
https://dailycaller.com/2021/09/14/new-york-giants-fan-maggots-hot-dog-metlife-stadium/And THAT is why I eat to the point of uncomfortable fullness before entering the stadium.
And THAT is why I eat to the point of uncomfortable fullness before entering the stadium.
I barely eat anything at the tailgates, I never remember. Too busy drinking. I also don't eat in the stadium though because I can never be bothered to queue up for anything except beer.Maggots or not, most of the stadium food is dreadful.
Maggots or not, most of the stadium food is dreadful.
Maggots or not, most of the stadium food is dreadful.
I actually think the offerings at The Fat Rooster are pretty good.(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/RingedBeneficialIberianemeraldlizard-max-1mb.gif)
Why did I not know about this beer until now?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTmpqyGr5BM/
Great beer to bring to the tailgateWe'll see if they still have any, I won't be anywhere near there until next weekend.
Mike Renner
@PFF_Mike
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Teams with the most snaps played from rookies in Week 1:
Jets 317
Steelers 268
Lions 217
This is terrible and absolutely hilarious at the same time…
https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1440649661048451086?s=21 (https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1440649661048451086?s=21)
Absolutely roasted.The funny thing is that angle actually makes the interception look a lot better on Wilson's end. It was a dangerous pass, but not nearly as bad as it initially looked, especially given the free rusher in his face.
"These two idiots just standing here staring at each other" Fuckin hell we need a tight end.
Field Yates
@FieldYates
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The @ProFootballHOF
has announced 122 nominees for the class of 2022, including 10 first-year eligible players:
WR Anquan Boldin
WR Devin Hester
WR Andre Johnson
WR Steve Smith
OL Jake Long
C Nick Mangold
OLB DeMarcus Ware
DL Robert Mathis
DL Vince Wilfork
DB Antonio Cromartie.
let's go
I don't think Cro has even a prayer of being a 1st ballot dude.He isn't going to make it ever. Not even close.
Honestly I think it's pretty unlikely he makes it at all. Hell look at him in comparison to just the other 10 first year nominees
I don't think Cro has even a prayer of being a 1st ballot dude.
Honestly I think it's pretty unlikely he makes it at all. Hell look at him in comparison to just the other 10 first year nominees
I don't think either of them will make the shortlist. I think Wilfork and Steve Smith are both first ballot possibilities, assuming Smith hasn't pissed too many voters off.
Devin Hester should get in. Greatest return man of all-time and it's not even close.
Apparently Crowder had a setback last Friday.
And the last of the greats as well, he couldn't do what he did with the way the rules work now.
He could on punt returns
Mekhi Becton
Tell me you dont know football without telling me you dont know football https://t.co/1IZQRlS6Bn https://t.co/LJP7YqkdaK
September 24, 2021 2:37pm EDT
Rich Eisen is my spirit animal.
https://youtu.be/HTUJ_lE08KE
Rich Eisen is the Jets fan talk show host Greeny thinks he is. Rich is always spot on.
Rich Eisen is the Jets fan talk show host Greeny thinks he is. Rich is always spot on.He's replaced Benigno/Roberts as the guy I like to listen to after each excruciating loss.
How have you fucks not watched the Carl episode of Curb Your EnthusiasmHe killed off Carl Lawson, so he's dead to me.
Larry David is a top 5 Jets fan
Apparently bids on this are due by Thursday, and about half the teams in the league are expected to submit one.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-grant-teams-exclusive-access-040121846.html
I'd be surprised if the Jets aren't one, I wonder what territories we'd be interested in. I'm guessing one of the European markets would make the most sense?
Tied with the Jags for worst team in the league. Where have I seen that before?Time is a flat circle.
Tied with the Jags for worst team in the league. Where have I seen that before?
Time is a flat circle.
yay.
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1442824305461575684?s=19
A friend of mine (Packers fan) just asked a very pertinent question. "I wonder if Jets fans will ever get credit the way Browns fans did for being devoted fans of awful. Or does being in a big city market full of entitled fans prevent that?"
It is to an extent true, I think. I don't think we get the respect we deserve for sticking by this towering monument to failure.
A friend of mine (Packers fan) just asked a very pertinent question. "I wonder if Jets fans will ever get credit the way Browns fans did for being devoted fans of awful. Or does being in a big city market full of entitled fans prevent that?"I don't know if other people have perceived this but I think other fans like the idea of an ascendant Jets team more than they actually like seeing the Jets be good.
It is to an extent true, I think. I don't think we get the respect we deserve for sticking by this towering monument to failure.
I went through US Immigration a few hours ago.
"What's the purpose of your visit?"
"Yankees on Saturday and Jets on Sunday."
"Yankees fan, huh?"
"No, Jets."
"Really?"
Surprised they didn't throw you back out.He was a Cowboys fan, predictably. We had a laugh about the fact that at least we can both enjoy the Giants being excrement.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUm3dHWN_g2/?utm_medium=copy_link
Jets have 13 missed tackles this season, tied for 3rd least.
Coaching matters
freak Uber Eats, but here:
https://v.redd.it/kih7wo1khfr71
(Please let me know if this is too political)
I don't get the hate for Ed, I think he's great.My dad ran into Ed at an Italian butcher shop in Queens back in the '00s and said he was a pretty cool guy. Jets fans will just turn on anyone if they're miserable enough.
freak that Captain Jet guy though, I'll bet he has the worst body odour.
freak Uber Eats, but here:
https://v.redd.it/kih7wo1khfr71
(Please let me know if this is too political)
If he's not SAG-AFTRA he's dead to me.Sir please keep all value judgements of non-sports topics to the appropriate forum
https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1445393238286798857?s=20(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211005/d7e2521a09065ec0d2ffd06a7d631116.jpg)
I don't get the hate for Ed, I think he's great.
freak that Captain Jet guy though, I'll bet he has the worst body odour.
https://twitter.com/overkill357/status/1449946072286171140?s=21 (https://twitter.com/overkill357/status/1449946072286171140?s=21)
I have watched this 100 times and keeps getting funnier every time I single time I see it.All luv
https://twitter.com/Kerry25Rhodes/status/1450851916573855746?t=uTt__4Lxu6V39vIwhrYn5g&s=19
https://twitter.com/Kerry25Rhodes/status/1450851916573855746?t=uTt__4Lxu6V39vIwhrYn5g&s=19
.Did that happen?
I can't imagine your own teammate actually spitting in your face during a game without there being some kind of deep-rooted hate at play there.
Probably all accurate. I still think the gayness is what did him in. In the NFL of 2009, you could probably be gay, and you could be soft, but you couldn't be both. Kerry was likely the former and definitely the latter.I don't recall that spitting thing.
I can't imagine your own teammate actually spitting in your face during a game without there being some kind of deep-rooted hate at play there.
Did that happen?
Against the Jets no less.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8724985/darnell-dockett-arizona-cardinals-fined-amount-six-figures-according-source (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8724985/darnell-dockett-arizona-cardinals-fined-amount-six-figures-according-source)
Kerry Rhodes' ex-wife:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1012444336892473344/d4eUxvQ3_400x400.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQdbSJ9U8AA1LJv?format=jpg&name=large)
That's a hell of a beard.
I was at that game! Sanchez/McElroy vs the immortal Ryan Lindley.I think I might have been there too, but it's kind of a fuzzy memory. If I was, definitely the worst win I ever saw in person.
freaking game set back offensive football about 20 years.
Watching Demario Davis' play with the Saints really makes me upset about MacCagnan.Calvin Pryor for Demario Davis was the best trade he made followed by Marshall
Calvin Pryor for Demario Davis was the best trade he made followed by Marshall
Aaaaand Cashman's done for the year.I'm shocked
Aaaaand Cashman's done for the year.Sources tells me he's preemptively done for the next 3 years as well just to be safe.
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1460653894003011584?s=21
Has anyone else been getting an insane number of marketing emails from the Jets lately?
Not that I've noticed, I think just the usual daily invitation to buy stuff.That's what I mean, that didn't used to be daily.
Piece of excrement (and I'm sure he'll be listed as former Jet) Zac Stacy.I forgot he was ever a Jet. Of course they use a picture of him in green and white though.
TMZ: Ex-NFL RB Zac Stacy Brutalizes Ex-GF In Front Of 5-Month-Old Son, Terrifying Video.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/17/zac-stacy-nfl-domestic-violence-video-ex-girlfriend/
Piece of excrement (and I'm sure he'll be listed as former Jet) Zac Stacy.Did football at the wrong time
TMZ: Ex-NFL RB Zac Stacy Brutalizes Ex-GF In Front Of 5-Month-Old Son, Terrifying Video.
https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/17/zac-stacy-nfl-domestic-violence-video-ex-girlfriend/
Did football at the wrong time"Michael Carter on a sweep left.....and he rams the safety's head through a sideline TV. Now he's yelling at him about....their son? And there's a flag. Holding on Van Roten."
That's what I mean, that didn't used to be daily.Has been for years, at least for me.
I will listen to that.Can now listen to that
Elijah Riley isn't good enough for his own thread yet (though he's been pretty solid). This is pretty cool though. Especially if you want to feel old.He went newfield
https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1465447638464147461/photo/1
https://twitter.com/WoodsFootball/status/1465723573092466689
Brian Kelly making Bob Salad shovel snow for him as a GA.
Not sure why this info is surfacing again now. But Kelly has always been a dick.
https://twitter.com/DataWithBliss/status/1466102603583008769/photo/1Draft only SEC players.
Virginia, UConn, Duke, and Western Kentucky. Maybe it makes sense why we suck.
https://twitter.com/DataWithBliss/status/1466102603583008769/photo/1
Virginia, UConn, Duke, and Western Kentucky. Maybe it makes sense why we suck.
Yeah but Jacksonville is Ohio State, Miami, Florida, and Clemson (and University of Wyoming).Kind of funny that the highest percentage for any college is Temple with the Panthers. But not Baylor.
#Saints QB Taysom Hill is feared to have suffered a torn tendon in his middle finger that may necessitate surgery at some point, sources say. More tests are coming. The injury, called Mallet Finger, was one of the ailments that #Seahawks QB Russell Wilson had earlier in the year.Maybe we can move our first rounder into the Linderbaum zone.
We play them next week. Semen revenge game?
I like the My Cause, My Cleats thing. I'm giving the style award to LDT. (Disclaimer: I have no discernible sense of style.)I'm down with this effort, but you shouldn't be allowed to wear yellow cleats. Everytime Sherrod neasman walked on the field with those cleats i thought the ref threw a flag
https://www.newyorkjets.com/community/my-cause-my-cleats (https://www.newyorkjets.com/community/my-cause-my-cleats)
I'm down with this effort, but you shouldn't be allowed to wear yellow cleats. Everytime Sherrod neasman walked on the field with those cleats i thought the ref threw a flag
https://twitter.com/thejetpress/status/1470827826538496007?s=21
https://twitter.com/thejetpress/status/1470827826538496007?s=21
This isn’t as fun without Gase laser eyes
https://twitter.com/thejetpress/status/1470827826538496007?s=21
This isn’t as fun without Gase laser eyes
https://twitter.com/thejetpress/status/1470827826538496007?s=21
This isn’t as fun without Gase laser eyes
Rich CiminiUgh. I would have been pissed if I were still a season-ticket holder. Now I'm pissed that we might have more 6:30 AM PT games.
@RichCimini
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#Jets have been awarded international marketing rights to the United Kingdom, team announces. The UK will be their "second home," which means a big Jets presence in the UK, where owner Woody Johnson served as US ambassador. Sounds like they could have future games in the UK.
lame
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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#Jets have been awarded international marketing rights to the United Kingdom, team announces. The UK will be their "second home," which means a big Jets presence in the UK, where owner Woody Johnson served as US ambassador. Sounds like they could have future games in the UK.
lame
Ugh. I would have been pissed if I were still a season-ticket holder. Now I'm pissed that we might have more 6:30 AM PT games.
You mean awesome.
They're not exclusive rights though, they're shared with Chicago, Jacksonville, Miami, Minnesota and SF.
Bizarrely Minnesota and Seattle get the whole of Canada.
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1474839410491461633?s=19
his child will end up playing tackle for us earlier than he will at this pointShe'll have to give birth at 2 months just to excrement out this beast.
I hate to say this, but I think we've seen his peak. I know IG isn't his life, but he seems checked out to me.
I don't know how your brain put this together but I will happily give it percocets to make sure it never happens again.If you follow him on Instagram especially his stories he seems more concerned with everything other than football.
If you follow him on Instagram especially his stories he seems more concerned with everything other than football.
McGovern is done for the last 2 games with an MCL injury. Feeney at center the rest of the way. Wonder who the backup center is now.
Mosely won the Curtis Martin (Team MVP) Award:
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1478737271864107009?s=20 (https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1478737271864107009?s=20)
I don't think he was an obvious choice but I'm not sure who else would have deserved it more. Regardless, good for him.
I hope Badger gets kicked in the nuts once a day until he’s dead.I will continue to travel to and from NJ for future Jets games so that's about the same.
On a lighter note, this year's Flight Crew has continued to show improvement from their AKC yearsImitating our roster doubles with Kaila/Kayla and the two Sams.
https://www.newyorkjets.com/cheerleaders/roster/
I do deserve compensation for damages incurred while traveling to and from NJ.
Jug handletriggered
Jets waived DE Vinny Curry.
Signed to a one-year deal in March, Curry spent the entire 2021 season on the reserve/NFI list after doctors discovered blood clots. It is unclear if his medical situation will allow him to play moving forward. Set to turn 34 in June, the long-time Eagle could likely contribute as a rotational pass rusher in 2022 if his health allows him.
Imitating our roster doubles with Kaila/Kayla and the two Sams.
Goodbye forever you crusty old bitchI pumped my fist when I saw that news cross the wire when I was on a zoom meeting. Glad nobody asked me why I randomly started celebrating in a Zoom meeting.
https://www.troyrecord.com/2022/01/24/sheldon-silver-ny-power-broker-sent-to-prison-dead-at-77/
Glad nobody asked me why I randomly started celebrating in a Zoom meeting.
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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The #Jets worked out Canadian WR/TE Jevon Cottoy today, source said. Cottoy (6-5, 230) had 39 catches for 519 yards and 3 TDs last season for the CFL's BC Lions. More workouts scheduled.
Pretty cool story. Lots of very good tight ends have come out of nowhere, Antonio Gates is the best I can think of.
I still can't believe Donald Parham went undrafted and had to go through the XFL before making it.
Mo Alie-Cox is another tight end convert (basketball star) that's done a nice job in the NFL.
Pretty cool story. Lots of very good tight ends have come out of nowhere, Antonio Gates is the best I can think of.Personally, I am still waiting on the Rico Gathers breakout. I thought he was the next basketball-to-football breakout tight end.
I still can't believe Donald Parham went undrafted and had to go through the XFL before making it.
Mo Alie-Cox is another tight end convert (basketball star) that's done a nice job in the NFL.
Personally, I am still waiting on the Rico Gathers breakout. I thought he was the next basketball-to-football breakout tight end.
With all the head coaching changes, there are currently just 3 teams that can be forced into Hard Knocks this year:
Jets
Panthers
Lions
Those sound like horrible choices. I can't imagine hbo wanting any of them
Panthers have no juice.
Robby Anderson would be a Hard Knocks star though
Campbell would be great, and the Jets are the Jets, so those aren't bad options for HBO. Panthers have no juice.
Cavanaugh not returningGood...I wasn't a fan of his anyway. Hopefully Calabrese will earn his paycheck this year.
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1488154467103129602?t=WXtveuR78Px7qI7xg60_mQ&s=19
This is risky because both of those dudes are inexperienced with QBs
Wonder what we'll do about a backup.
Saleh wants to bring back Flacco
Saleh wants to bring back Flacco
If they're going to bring back Flacco and relegate White to the third string, you may as well see what you can get on the market for him.
Saints, Bucs, Steelers...maybe someone bites.
Jets’ collaborative meeting created a path for the future and a promising 2021 NFL Draft class
Did it work? Well, that can be subjective. Was it helpful? There’s no debate there. It’s why general manager Joe Douglas brought it up to Robert Saleh after the Jets named him their head coach last January.
In 2017, before he made his way up the New Jersey Turnpike, Douglas was the newly minted director of player personnel for the Eagles. Howie Roseman had hired him to be his right-hand man and to reorganize the team’s scouting department, all while working to learn the finer details of pro free agency. To help Douglas, Roseman and Doug Pederson, the team’s head coach, had a meeting with him. They went over every position on the roster so Pederson could explain exactly what he needed to make his scheme work.
Ahead of their first draft together, Douglas wanted to repeat the same with Saleh.
Saleh had slightly bigger plans. Why put a limit on it?
Bring all decision-makers together — coaches, scouts, executives. Explain what he and his staff needed. Leave nothing to the imagination.
So far, so good.
Succeeding in the NFL Draft is not easy. Ex-Jets coach Todd Bowles called it an “educated crapshoot,” a perfect description. No one actually knows. Ichiro Suzuki had a better average in the box than most of the best GMs do during draft weekend. If you come away with two, three starters in one class? That’s a success. If one of them is a star? You’re golden. More likely than not, though, there are far more busts than even low-level contributors. Again: “Educated crapshoot.”
That’s what makes the Jets’ last two drafts — both run by Douglas — so fascinating. In 2020, they selected nine players: tackle Mekhi Becton, receiver Denzel Mims, safety Ashtyn Davis, defensive end Jabari Zuniga, running back La’Mical Perine, quarterback James Morgan, guard Cam Clark, corner Bryce Hall and punter Braden Mann. Mann is the only one promised a starting job next year as Becton (with George Fant) and Hall (with Brandin Echols and Isaiah Dunn) compete. Morgan and Clark are already gone. Mims, Zuniga and Perine will likely follow. Davis is a backup.
The Jets aren’t willing to give up on the group yet, but the early return isn’t good.
In 2021, the Jets drafted 10 players. Most members of the organization are hellbent in their belief Zach Wilson (second overall) is a franchise quarterback. Guard Alijah Vera-Tucker (No. 14) flashed All-Pro potential in his first season. Receiver Elijah Moore (No. 34) and running back Michael Carter (No. 107) look like budding stars. Corners Michael Carter II (No. 154) and Echols (No. 200) showed they’re NFL starters. Linebackers Jamien Sherwood (No. 146) and Hamsah Nasirildeen (No. 186), safety Jason Pinnock (No. 175) and defensive lineman Jonathan Marshall (No. 207) all had their moments, too.
So much hinges on Wilson, who needs to grow in his second season after the Jets’ 4-13 finish in 2021, but that is a potentially franchise-altering grouping of players. A grand slam, to stick with baseball analogies.
So how were the same executives, directors and scouts able to successfully identity and acquire all of those players, after swinging and missing the year before?
Simple.
They knew exactly what they were looking for.
Douglas’ meeting with Roseman and Pederson was a more generalized overview of what the coach wanted. Pederson talked, explained, then Douglas relayed details to his scouts. That’s what he expected from Saleh, too, when he broached the idea of replicating such a meeting. Saleh went in another direction.
The coach and his staff put together an all-day presentation for not just Douglas, assistant general manager Rex Hogan and director of player personnel Chad Alexander, but, with the power of Zoom, every single scout employed by the team. It wasn’t just Saleh and coordinators Mike LaFleur (offense) and defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrich (defense) who spoke, either. Every single positional coach took the floor.
They explained their scheme and system and why it worked. They went over the specific traits they were looking for in players to fit in their scheme. They left absolutely no stone unturned — there was no gray area. It wasn’t just speaking, either. Every coach came armed with film. They went over the finest details of the way they needed players to play, the strengths and the weaknesses they could live with and the ones they couldn’t.
If offensive line coach John Benton needed his guards to attack their first step in a certain manner, he used film to show Douglas, Hogan, Alexander and every scout what he meant. If defensive line coach Aaron Whitecotton needed his players to shed blocks in a specific way, he also used film to show Douglas, Hogan, Alexander and every scout what he meant. That way, the Jets weren’t just scouting players, but scouting the specific elements of players this staff coveted.
A real-life example: Miles Austin stressed the type of movement he was looking for from his receivers, their route ability, lower-body control, and the excellence in breaking in and out of the seam. When the Jets began scouting Ole Miss receiver Elijah Moore, they realized he was exactly the player Austin described. The Jets drafted him in the second round.
Moore caught 34 passes for 459 yards and five touchdowns in Weeks 8 through 13 before suffering a season-ending quadriceps injury. That’s a 17-game average of 96 catches, 1,300 yards and 14 touchdowns.
The Jets hired Douglas in 2019, but he stepped in at a less-than-ideal time. Acting owner Christopher Johnson, who has since admitted his mistake, let then-GM Mike Maccagnan hire Adam Gase as coach, spend ferociously in free agency and select every player in 2019 NFL Draft … before firing him less than a month later. Douglas’ first few months as GM were a bit of a whirlwind. He needed to get himself acclimated, assess the state of the roster and get his guys in place.
The meeting like Douglas had with Saleh never took place with Gase — which may be a reason for some of the 2020 class’ struggles. Gase let his opinion be known on players, and who he wanted. He had healthy debates with Douglas. But Gase was fine with Douglas running point. The draft was his show.
The Jets then fired Gase after the 2020 season and replaced him with Saleh. Now, it’s all hands on deck to turn New York around.
Douglas and his staff had a nice selection of picks with which to work a year ago. This year is even better. Thanks in part to the trades of Jamal Adams (to Seattle), Sam Darnold (to Carolina) and Chris Herndon (to the Vikings) over the last two offseasons, the Jets hold two first-round picks (Nos. 4 and 10), two second-round picks (Nos. 35 and 38), a third-rounder (No. 69), two fourth-round picks (Nos. 108 and 114) and two fifth-rounders (Nos. 144 and 159) in the 2022 NFL Draft. The specific fourth- and fifth-round selections are not yet finalized as the NFL hasn’t announced compensatory selections.
Whether the Jets make each of those selections is another story. Douglas talked openly about the possibility of trading for a proven player during his end-of-year news conference. He also showed last year, in trading up for Vera-Tucker, a willingness to deal when someone he wants is available.
But one thing is clear: For the first time in awhile, the Jets have a map to point them in the right direction.
And following it certainly helped last April.
Good readThe main takeaway I got from this is Douglas has an actual rapport with Saleh...and Gase didn't give a excrement which players were drafted.
The main takeaway I got from this is Douglas has an actual rapport with Saleh...and Gase didn't give a excrement which players were drafted.
Explains a lot when it comes to the difference in quality between Douglas's first 2 draft classes.
Good readCan you source articles when you post them please?
Can you source articles when you post them please?
Did Connor Hughes write that?
How'd you know?
He called Ashtyn Davis a backup and said that Bryce Hall was competing with Isaiah Dunn for a starting spot.
Only Hughes would say things this stupid.
He called Ashtyn Davis a backup and said that Bryce Hall was competing with Isaiah Dunn for a starting spot.
Only Hughes would say things this stupid.
Did Connor Hughes write that?
Can you source articles when you post them please?Quoted.
Quoted.
Yes. Which I'd rather you didn't do as well, even if it is just Connor Hughes writers get paid and/or get to keep their jobs based upon the clicks they receive. So please at the very least include the link to the article you're quoting, so that if people read it they can do the writer the courtesy of giving them a click as well.
Yes. Which I'd rather you didn't do as well, even if it is just Connor Hughes writers get paid and/or get to keep their jobs based upon the clicks they receive. So please at the very least include the link to the article you're quoting, so that if people read it they can do the writer the courtesy of giving them a click as well.This. That's one of my biggest message boards pet peeves when people copy/paste the article without a link. I don't care if you copy/paste the article, but if you're going through all that trouble, at least add a link. Especially when I have no idea who is writing this, and it's a well-written article.
Yes. Which I'd rather you didn't do as well, even if it is just Connor Hughes writers get paid and/or get to keep their jobs based upon the clicks they receive. So please at the very least include the link to the article you're quoting, so that if people read it they can do the writer the courtesy of giving them a click as well.
I could have linked it, but you need a subscription to the Athletic to access. someone on the reddit board posted so figured I'd share.
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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5m
Speaking of edge rushers, Saleh says there's no Bosa or Chase Young in the draft, but still some very good ones. #Jets
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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5m
Speaking of edge rushers, Saleh says there's no Bosa or Chase Young in the draft, but still some very good ones. #Jets
https://nypost.com/2022/03/16/jets-owner-woody-johnson-bids-2-62-billion-for-chelsea-fc/Prrrrrrrt
“What Chelsea need right now is longevity and stability when it comes to a new owner. Woody and his team think they can provide that,” a source told The Sun. “He’s run the Jets successfully and knows a huge amount about the sports industry.
https://nypost.com/2022/03/16/jets-owner-woody-johnson-bids-2-62-billion-for-chelsea-fc/
Would he be able to own and operate both? Or would he be more likely to sell if he gets Chelsea?
My ultimate dream is that he sinks so much into Chelsea and mismanages it that the best way for him to earn it back is to sell a controlling share of the Jets.
Highly unlikely but I'm allowed to dream.
bromance brewingI'd rather him do Ebony and Ivory with Elijah Moore.
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1508417424030322697
I'm taking Saleh. Douglas is bigger but Saleh has the perfect balance of size and mobility, I reckon he could take most coaches and GMs in the league.
If it's OL/DL, I'm happy.I don't see any sense in taking an OL at 4 or 10. A top 10 pick needs to be starting this year. Unless something unpredictable happens, it would be a big waste. Anytime after the 1st round, I'd be OK with an OL.
I don't see any sense in taking an OL at 4 or 10. A top 10 pick needs to be starting this year. Unless something unpredictable happens, it would be a big waste. Anytime after the 1st round, I'd be OK with an OL.
I don't see any sense in taking an OL at 4 or 10. A top 10 pick needs to be starting this year. Unless something unpredictable happens, it would be a big waste. Anytime after the 1st round, I'd be OK with an OL.
Only way I’m taking an OL at 4 is if O have a deal in place for Becton or Fant which nets me more value than I should reasonably expect to get.Which is why it makes no sense.
If Cincy wants to give me 31 for Fant and my edge is gone at 4 and I can’t trade down? Then sure that’s a way to improve the team.
Why trade Becton at his lowest possible value?
This might be Becton's lowest possible value. I truly hope it is. But it also might be the highest it will ever be again. I trust Joe Douglas to know the truth. That man got three picks for Sam Darnold.There is little to no chance that the Jets have given up on Becton.
There is little to no chance that the Jets have given up on Becton.When is the last time there was any positive news from Jets coaches regarding Becton? Has there ever been any positive Becton news since Saleh took over?
When is the last time there was any positive news from Jets coaches regarding Becton? Has there ever been any positive Becton news since Saleh took over?
If Becton has another injury-plagued year or struggles again, he has no value next year at this point. Right now, he still has a good deal of value.
We don't know how much the Jets value Becton, but we aren't going to get the #4 and #10 picks in the draft again anytime soon. This is the time to reshape the roster using those assets to best suit our roster going forward.
If they don't trust Becton to stay healthy, then we need to have a quality backup. And they might just decide they think Ekwonu is a better player and a more trustworthy player, and then we can use the asset of Becton to fill other needs. If they aren't sold on Becton and they think Ekwonu is the best player in the draft, then it makes a lot of sense to do that.
When is the last time there was any positive news from Jets coaches regarding Becton? Has there ever been any positive Becton news since Saleh took over?I disagree. How would you feel if you were a GM interested in trading for Becton, knowing the team that knows him best is bailing after just 2 years?
If Becton has another injury-plagued year or struggles again, he has no value next year at this point. Right now, he still has a good deal of value.
We don't know how much the Jets value Becton, but we aren't going to get the #4 and #10 picks in the draft again anytime soon. This is the time to reshape the roster using those assets to best suit our roster going forward.
If they don't trust Becton to stay healthy, then we need to have a quality backup. And they might just decide they think Ekwonu is a better player and a more trustworthy player, and then we can use the asset of Becton to fill other needs. If they aren't sold on Becton and they think Ekwonu is the best player in the draft, then it makes a lot of sense to do that.
I disagree. How would you feel if you were a GM interested in trading for Becton, knowing the team that knows him best is bailing after just 2 years?You aren't giving up the same value that the Jets did in the draft. The benefit for another team is that you're getting a guy you probably had a top-15 grade on 2 years ago for a 2nd-round pick. The benefit for the Jets is they get more security at tackle with a guy they trust more.
I'd much rather have three great tackles than one. It's a much easier problem to fix.Then draft a Tackle in the later rounds
Douglas and Saleh live and die by whether Zach is a success, so if they have concerns over Becton and particularly about his availability for 17+ games, then I won't for a moment begrudge them drafting a replacement.
I'd much rather have three great tackles than one. It's a much easier problem to fix.You might need 3 great tackles if you're going to rely on Becton if you don't trust his health.
Douglas and Saleh live and die by whether Zach is a success, so if they have concerns over Becton and particularly about his availability for 17+ games, then I won't for a moment begrudge them drafting a replacement.
You might need 3 great tackles if you're going to rely on Becton if you don't trust his health.#3 won't be true.
If you trust Ekwonu's health (or Evan Neal's), you only need 2, and you can reinvest the cap space and talent value of Becton into another position.
Again, this is all contingent on...
- Joe Douglas thinking Ekwonu/Neal is BPA at 4
- Douglas not fully trusting Becton to stay healthy
- Becton having enough value around the league where you aren't selling at rock bottom value.
If 1 of the 3 things above is not true, then it doesn't make a lot of sense. But if they're all true, then it's probably prudent to make the move.
Then draft a Tackle in the later rounds
Then draft a Tackle in the later rounds
Imagine drafting Ekwonu at 4 and have him on the bench because Becton is healthy.
Imagine drafting Ekwonu at 4 and have him on the bench because Becton is healthy.Ekwonu would've made sense if we didn't sign Laken Tomlinson.
I like that the poster in a self-described, long-term SOJ k-hole believes in Becton the hardest.I agree, I'm the biggest hater of all things Jets on here right now.
There's sunshine in you yet, bo.
Project tackle is a luxury you don't need to call on just yet.
Taking a tackle at 4 seems like much more of a "luxury" move than taking one on day 2.
I don't consider purchasing insurance for my most valuable possessions to be a luxury.
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1508922749745516552
Do it.
Is this a normal takeaway from the owners meetings?
I feel like outside of a franchise QB or the entire state of your franchise, it's a pecicular subject to be brought up at the owners meeting
Kenny Yeboah
@Kenny_Yeboah84
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5h
Jets fans are definitely top 5 fans in the NFL. No doubt in my mind… they every and anywhere 🤣💚 S/o y’all!!
That's nice then.
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1509630111322198028
so much for your guaranteed playoff berthIt's happening.
I very much do not like this, if true
#Titans WR AJ Brown remains ‘name to watch’ via trade for #Jets, per @RichCimini. He said one of the reasons is Tennessee’s ‘tight cap situation’ + Brown would be looking for ‘at least’ $25M APY on a new deal + Titans would be targeting 10th overall pick as centerpiece for a deal
I know, imagine how much cap space a good player would take upAnd think what you could get with #10. Why, it could even be a receiver almost as good as AJ Brown.
I very much do not like this, if trueHe's good and still 24. Proven commodity, he IS good, we don't have to hope that he develops. Only downside is having to pay him a lot. We could only hope our #10 pick would be as good as him. Maybe they could give up 10 and get back a 3rd or something.
#Titans WR AJ Brown remains ‘name to watch’ via trade for #Jets, per @RichCimini. He said one of the reasons is Tennessee’s ‘tight cap situation’ + Brown would be looking for ‘at least’ $25M APY on a new deal + Titans would be targeting 10th overall pick as centerpiece for a deal
I don't hate the idea of trading for brown, I just don't want to give up #10 for him
Any permutation of lesser compensation I'd be okay with. But the idea of giving up way more than the Phins gave up for hill doesn't sit well with me, despite brown being younger and having a strong relationship with our young budding star
I very much do not like this, if true
#Titans WR AJ Brown remains ‘name to watch’ via trade for #Jets, per @RichCimini. He said one of the reasons is Tennessee’s ‘tight cap situation’ + Brown would be looking for ‘at least’ $25M APY on a new deal + Titans would be targeting 10th overall pick as centerpiece for a deal
I don't hate the idea of trading for brown, I just don't want to give up #10 for him
Any permutation of lesser compensation I'd be okay with. But the idea of giving up way more than the Phins gave up for hill doesn't sit well with me, despite brown being younger and having a strong relationship with our young budding star
you give up #10 in a second for either brown or metcalf
So we're saying Metcalf/Brown is better than Hill...who we offered two second round picks for?
They are much younger and not turds off the field
And also I think a better fit for what I thought we wanted our offense to do.
But hell if we can get either for the package we gave up for Hill (or less) than it’s a damned home run deal
But I’ll say that neither Tennessee or Seattle needs to trade their guy now. So we need to pay up to “convince them” to move him today instead of next summer
The question is does Tennessee have anyone else they may have to use the franchise tag on next year?I think it's too far out to speculate about who could get tagged in 2023.
Because if you don't trade Brown now you HAVE to tag him.
And if the dude suffers a major injury this year wtf do you do then. Do you tag a guy if he has a torn ACL?
Their cap situation is pretty fucked so they can't extend him without majorly kicking the can down the road
I think it's too far out to speculate about who could get tagged in 2023.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-seahawks-turned-down-pick-no-10-overall-from-jets-for-metcalf/ar-AAVTF6C (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-seahawks-turned-down-pick-no-10-overall-from-jets-for-metcalf/ar-AAVTF6C)
Big Doug workin the phones.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-seahawks-turned-down-pick-no-10-overall-from-jets-for-metcalf/ar-AAVTF6C (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-seahawks-turned-down-pick-no-10-overall-from-jets-for-metcalf/ar-AAVTF6C)
Big Doug workin the phones.
doug knows you have to give the 10 up for DK
if there is any truth to this story then hopefully seattle's feelings change come draft time
I wouldn't be upset if we offered 4 for him. I may be in the minority.
I’d want to get some other picks back from Seattle if we gave up 4.
https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1511734119658631170?s=20&t=iMX6cMrGQcaARLGsPMch2g
https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1511734119658631170?s=20&t=iMX6cMrGQcaARLGsPMch2g
On GMF they had a Jets-Saints trade scenario (Jets get NO's #16 & #19, NO gets #4). worth it?
On GMF this morning they had a Jets-Saints trade scenario (Jets get NO's #16 & #19, NO gets #4). Worth it?
Update: The report that the #Seahawks declined the #10 pick from the #Jets for WR DK Metcalf is NOT true, perI figured.
@Connor_J_Hughes
Update: The report that the #Seahawks declined the #10 pick from the #Jets for WR DK Metcalf is NOT true, per
@Connor_J_Hughes
(https://i.imgur.com/wFr2JiK.png)
Coaching position, maybe?
Bilal > Ty Johnson right now.
(https://i.imgur.com/wFr2JiK.png)
Coaching position, maybe?
Front Office/scouting?Denzel Mims food taster?
Denzel Mims food taster?
I really think JD is going to be looking at this situation if he can’t get his WR trade done this year, he is going to be trying like hell to figure out how to get additional early picks for next year.Waaay too early (spitballing) but WR or no WR if JD accrued additional 2023 early picks and could parlay them into moving up for Will Anderson, LFG..
Waaay too early (spitballing) but WR or no WR if JD accrued additional 2023 early picks and could parlay them into moving up for Will Anderson, LFG..
https://twitter.com/PhillyWill11/status/1519368417849090048?s=20&t=wo63nYXXMoiNtdFOlk2gwQBleedat
I assume this statistic has been floated numerous times but I never noticed it till now.We traded Pryor? I can't even remember how his Jets tenure ended.
Apparently the Jets have traded every first round pick drafted since 2014-2018 for 6 consecutive
Q is the next man up
We traded Pryor? I can't even remember how his Jets tenure ended.
We traded Pryor? I can't even remember how his Jets tenure ended.
Yeah, we traded him to Cleveland for Demario DavisOne of the best trades in Jets history, until we let Demario walk.
until we let Demario walk.
One of the best trades in Jets history, until we let Demario walk.
Still waiting for Bowles to fix Darron Lee.
That move wasn't about Darron Lee (even though that pick was awful).
Maccagnan didn't want to extend Davis so he replaced him with Avery Williamson. Williamson wasn't a bad player and he signed for about $2M less but he wasn't the same kind of leader. Davis is also a much better player.
We traded Pryor? I can't even remember how his Jets tenure ended.
Also didn't we trade Richardson? So this stat would somewhat dip into 2013.
Maccagnan made some great moves. The Pryor-Davis move was phenomenal. So was the Brandon Marshall trade.
The problem is he had many more horrendous moves.
He drafted horribly and had pretty horrendous free agent classes too. He tore the team down when he was supposed to be rebuilding it.Going 8-8 with rookie Geno in 2013 was a much bigger fluke than 2015. No idea how that happened.
That 2015 season was such a fluke. Geno getting knocked out and Fitzpatrick having the season of a lifetime.
Going 8-8 with rookie Geno in 2013 was a much bigger fluke than 2015. No idea how that happened.Rex was actually good
Rex was actually goodI know what you're doing and I'm not falling for it
https://twitter.com/nickkorte/status/1517556695379021824?t=LgELTaE0cKu8wK3yISp_rw&s=19
https://twitter.com/nickkorte/status/1517556695379021824?t=LgELTaE0cKu8wK3yISp_rw&s=19
I didn't even know this was a thing.
UDFAs or a 90 man roster? I feel fairly sure you've got at least a passing familiarity with both of those things.
Neat, I guess.Gonna suck for him when we trade out of round 2, maybe for Deebo, maybe to move back up into round 1, maybe just to get revenge on Revis.
https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1519772331236806658?s=20&t=9qLFWFikLOB6oUtf4Ta9jA (https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1519772331236806658?s=20&t=9qLFWFikLOB6oUtf4Ta9jA)
Neat, I guess.
https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1519772331236806658?s=20&t=9qLFWFikLOB6oUtf4Ta9jA (https://twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1519772331236806658?s=20&t=9qLFWFikLOB6oUtf4Ta9jA)
Gonna suck for him when we trade out of round 2, maybe for Deebo, maybe to move back up into round 1, maybe just to get revenge on Revis.
Come on, if that trade was going to happen we would have heard about Deebo looking for real estate in NJ by now.
To be fair with how fast the real estate market is moving it would be a waste of time for Deebo to be looking at any properties before his trade goes through.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
Oh come on, I thought that was pretty funny.
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1521976414169440257Do we not already have more DL players than we can use?
Could be a DL target.
Do we not already have more DL players than we can use?
I would take him over Nathan ShepherdOK, but I think it's already accepted he's gone. Who of our likely roster DL does he beat out?
OK, but I think it's already accepted he's gone. Who of our likely roster DL does he beat out?
NYJ vs NYG draft callsHahaha!
https://v.redd.it/rz96zbhlfix81
This video shows the Giants culture and why Giants fans are the type of dudes who tuck their jerseys into jeans.
NYJ vs NYG draft calls
https://v.redd.it/rz96zbhlfix81
Is there any scenario where we're not the obvious favorite for hard knocks next year?
We make the playoffs?
Would that not make us more likely?
Hahaha!
We just aren't classy enough.
If Johnson is listed as DE/OLB, he can get #11.
Kellen Clemens
Has there ever been a quarterback that delivered a worse performance in a 23 point win?
These numbers will change during TCNo guarantee either Reed or White wants to sell those numbers. White probably more likely since he hasn't gotten a big contract yet, and because he might get cut anyway.
Sauce and Wilson will buy their numbers from DJ Reed and Mike White.
If Johnson is listed as DE/OLB, he can get #11.
I was hoping Hall would stick with 28. That's a sweet number for a running back.
I was hoping Hall would stick with 28. That's a sweet number for a running back.It certainly was a sweet number for a running back.
I don't think Reed is selling. He got 1 first. He probably looks at himself as CB1. Selling the jersey to a rookie who plays your position seems a little unlikely to me.
Obviously, I wasn't thinking about Martin or retired numbers in general. Dez Bryant got to wear #88 after Michael Irvin so maybe Hall, as the most talented running back we've had since Martin, could get his blessing to wear #28.
I don't think Reed is selling. He got 1 first. He probably looks at himself as CB1. Selling the jersey to a rookie who plays your position seems a little unlikely to me.
Kellen Clemens says nohttps://www.newyorkjets.com/news/where-are-they-now-jim-turner
18 would be a cool number for himhttps://www.newyorkjets.com/team/players-roster/rodney-adams/
Or they can give him 25 after Ty Johnson's released.Not if they retire his number.
Sweet. I can get some more run out of time Tory Woodbury jersey.
If Johnson is listed as DE/OLB, he can get #11.
I don't gamble but I'm tempted
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1524832726146236416
And yet we have so many cracked out on thinking we're a playoff team.Well the gambling community clearly thinks we're better than 5.5. It's the oddsmakers who disagreed.
I think 5.5 is a bit disingenuous, unless the gambling community thinks Zach Wilson is a guy we give up on after year 2
But I guess I see 11 winnable games, and the thinking is we'll go 50/50 in them thus 5.5?
Well the gambling community clearly thinks we're better than 5.5. It's the oddsmakers who disagreed.Which is usually bad
Which is usually badI can't find what line Caesars set for them last year so I can't really say how accurate they've been lately.
The Bills are the consensus favorites to win the Super Bowl at sportsbooks. At Caesars Sportsbook, Buffalo has attracted more than the amount of money wagered on the odds to win the Super Bowl than any other team.
"This is a big year for them and certainly a big stage for them to open the season at the Super Bowl champions," Adam Pullen, assistant director of trading for Caesars Sportsbook, said in a company release. "They'll have to prove it right off the bat."
While the Bills are the favorites, the long-shot Jets have been garnering attention from bettors. At the Borgata in Atlantic City, New Jersey, there are more bets on the Jets to win the AFC than there are on any other team, and only the Bills have attracted more bets to win the Super Bowl than the Jets. The Jets are 5-point home underdogs against the Baltimore Ravens in Week 1.
I'm a little confused what this means about the Jets
Are they saying the Jets have more bets than any team to make it to the freaking super bowl?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/33909451/nfl-week-1-features-record-number-home-underdogs%3fplatform=amp
(and I get the bias of this being a NJ casino, but this is still freaking cracked out)
Odd that the about on the ground is Kyler Murray, a guy we don’t play and a guy I’m not sure any of our DL has a sack against in the NFL.
I don't gamble but I'm tempted
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrianCoz/status/1524832726146236416
https://twitter.com/waynechrebet/status/1526190522024460288?s=21&t=rfucH2ozWcLhoWwBR-_5agThis gives me the sad nostalgia.
Clemons is 69As if he couldn't do more to endear the fan base.....
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1526513859741229056?t=mx2G1qhGtWLRjcZwAY5tqQ&s=195 wins would be a disappointment.
As different as it sounds from all the people blowing Joe Douglas (as they should be), I have a hard time disagreeing with anything he said except Zach Wilson sucking.
It's just a rough schedule. We could be a much team without a much better record. I'm thinking 5-6 wins.
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1526513859741229056?t=mx2G1qhGtWLRjcZwAY5tqQ&s=19
As different as it sounds from all the people blowing Joe Douglas (as they should be), I have a hard time disagreeing with anything he said except Zach Wilson sucking.
It's just a rough schedule. We could be a much team without a much better record. I'm thinking 5-6 wins.
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1526513859741229056?t=mx2G1qhGtWLRjcZwAY5tqQ&s=19
As different as it sounds from all the people blowing Joe Douglas (as they should be), I have a hard time disagreeing with anything he said except Zach Wilson sucking.
It's just a rough schedule. We could be a much team without a much better record. I'm thinking 5-6 wins.
I'm not a sunshiner on this seasonThe Steelers won't be a pushover with Tomlin there, even without a decent QB. They will grind down the game and wait for us to freak up.
But the Steelers have no QB, and the Browns QB could be suspended.
So we could be 3-2 theoretically before getting our asses pounced by the Packers and Broncos
I think a 3-2 start is mandatory to have a prayer at anything happening this year
The Steelers won't be a pushover with Tomlin there, even without a decent QB. They will grind down the game and wait for us to freak up.
I still don't see any evidence the Browns will lose Watson before we play them. With him there, we are the underdog.
Even still, we are just as likely to play badly as they are.
For this season to be good, we are gonna have to actually beat some good teams, not just load up on the shitty ones. When have we ever won all the games against bad teams?
I do think this team is legitimately better. But 10 years of shitty play has me saying I'll believe it when I see it.
I still say, 5-6 wins.
We will probably be underdogs in our first 10 games this season.
There isn't a single opponent in that group we are clearly better than entering the season.
That doesn't mean we will go 1-9 or 0-10, and our projected record in that batch of games will probably be something like 2-8 or 3-7 based on our projected win probability.
If Zach Wilson isn't the real deal, then we could easily be dead by late October again.
The goal is to get to 4-5 before the bye. If we have 4 wins before the bye, we have a chance to have an exciting 2nd half of the season.
If Wilson has a Darnold-like season with this supporting cast, it’s TVD SZN after the Bye.
7-10 is optimal, 6-11 is more likely.
I'm expecting incremental progress from 4-13 obviously, but the schedule and the remaining deficiencies on the team are what they are.
Aside from linebacker, I don’t think we’re that far off.
The QB will make or break this team.
Aside from linebacker, I don’t think we’re that far off.
The QB will make or break this team.
7-10 is optimal, 6-11 is more likely.
I'm expecting incremental progress from 4-13 obviously, but the schedule and the remaining deficiencies on the team are what they are.
We’ve spent twenty plus years making the same excuses for young quarterbacks.
We have the same offensive staff in place. We upgraded the offensive line. We signed and drafted skill talent at WR, TE, and RB.
No more excuses.
This year's excuse is going to be the schedule.Nope, it'll be injuries as usual.
FWIW I've heard that Wilson has the hardest schedule of any QB (specific to pass defenses I assume) in the league this year.
But if Wilson is only respectably bad, that's gonna be the thing
You can argue receiver is still solid without Wilson, but I just have no faith in what David brings to the table. To me he's just never gonna be a #1
Nope, it'll be injuries as usual.
Where is it that Watson will be suspended by then?Total speculation.
Where is it that Watson will be suspended by then?
Total speculation.
This was the last tidbit we got:
https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1526228226300944386?t=0MPDYnOsmqQQDev8de0hzQ&s=19
IF he gets suspended for any part of this season it'll be before the season and it'll be long enough to keep him out of our game. Brady got 4 games for deflating balls.
You know, he’ll probably be suspended for Week 1 and Week 3 but not Week 2 because the Jets can’t ever catch a break.
If we can’t compete with Watson-less Cleveland and Pittsburgh then it might be time to start looking for another QB and another head coach
Nope, it'll be injuries as usual.
Nothing will change.Jets are a flat circle
FWIW I've heard that Wilson has the hardest schedule of any QB (specific to pass defenses I assume) in the league this year.
I haven't heard this but if that's true what a freaking joke. Didn't Zach face the toughest slate of pass defenses last year, too, or was that just amongst rookie quarterbacks? Either way, if it feels like the deck is always stacked against us, here's a perfect example as to why...
I haven't heard this, but if that's true, what a freaking joke. Didn't Zach face the toughest slate of pass defenses last year, too, or was that just amongst rookie quarterbacks? Either way, if it feels like the deck is always stacked against us, here's a perfect example as to why...
Sure this is catered to fantasy football, but I'd imagine it would correlate fairly well with real football.
Matt Forte is a Hall Of Fame fantasy football player. Top 3 selection pretty much every year.
We’ve spent twenty plus years making the same excuses for young quarterbacks.Yep. I agree. But the AFC is tough. Until the team proves it, we are an underdog, and the first 10 games are difficult.
We have the same offensive staff in place. We upgraded the offensive line. We signed and drafted skill talent at WR, TE, and RB.
No more excuses.
Yep. I agree. But the AFC is tough. Until the team proves it, we are an underdog, and the first 10 games are difficult.
The one potential frustrating aspect is that the talent is young. I could easily see this being a year we start 2-8 and finish 7-10 or something like that. Lots of new pieces and young pieces.
Yes
Had Forte played as long as other HOF rbs, I think he very likely would make it there.
Regardless I'm not suggesting we should all blow the fantasy football metrics makers.
Simply that they care about QB specific SOS (the nfl not so much), and they all have the Jets as having the hardest
Forte played for 10 years. He had an astonishingly long career for a running back.
He was highly prized by fantasy football players because he was a great accumulator of stats, but he didn't really make a difference for the teams he played for. FF is absolutely no arbiter of a player's effectiveness.
Strength of opponents for Zach Wilson ---> ? ? ? ---> Matt Forte's HOF worthiness
I think JEs point was Zach Wilson was going to turn Breece Hall into the next Matt ForteNo, my point was that using FF sites as evidence of anything other than FF outcomes is not a great idea.
If Breece Hall has a prime like Matt Forte, we should be happy. He made a difference for the Bears. However, he didn't make a massive difference because it's hard for a running back to significantly move the needle that much.This
No, my point was that using FF sites as evidence of anything other than FF outcomes is not a great idea.
https://www.theonion.com/embarrassed-man-frantically-clears-search-history-after-1848950799 (https://www.theonion.com/embarrassed-man-frantically-clears-search-history-after-1848950799)
The Onion never misses a chance, man. They must have Jets fans on staff.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTSuWd_UUAYGC7_?format=jpg&name=large)Breece Hall is a RB for the NY Jets.
(https://c.tenor.com/e-tu1KPkCucAAAAC/the-simpsons-homer-simpson.gif)
https://twitter.com/carllawson55/status/1527275998295003137?s=20&t=Q2-rhkiTTWjlpCsbJ7Sm_wp (https://twitter.com/carllawson55/status/1527275998295003137?s=20&t=Q2-rhkiTTWjlpCsbJ7Sm_wp)
I love this guy.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTSuWd_UUAYGC7_?format=jpg&name=large)
is he wrong though?
peak era toonami-dubbed dbz with legendary music from bruce faulconer
Pleaes believe when I say I really wish we had him and Karlaftis on the same DLine.
Breece Hall is a RB for the NY Jets.
source?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ah1W7XPbAHE
Why does he have the Kenyon Martin neck tattoo?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ah1W7XPbAHEFantastic reference and horrendous tattoo.
Why does he have the Kenyon Martin neck tattoo?
source?Is Breece Hull inactive?
https://nypost.com/2022/05/23/mike-westhoff-pulls-no-punches-about-key-jets-in-new-book/
I will never, ever understand the Tebow signing. There is no way of looking at that team and finding a way for it to make sense.
I will never, ever understand the Tebow signing. There is no way of looking at that team and finding a way for it to make sense.
I will never, ever understand the Tebow signing. There is no way of looking at that team and finding a way for it to make sense.
(https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album_2x/f_auto/jets/gfdsxydnoydfu7dojnbl.jpg)Jesus q looks huge
Was hoping Hamsah would've gotten a little bigger in the offseason.
Show him how it's done, Q
(https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_new_photo_album_2x/f_auto/jets/enibf5ghsaljjehjhfi6.jpg)
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Rob Calabrese had offensive coordinator opportunities this offseason, Robert Saleh says. He decided to stay with the #Jets as QB coach
Can't argue with any of those.
Michael Carter called Braxton Berrios the "oldest young person ever"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH0epJ_Xb7o
Michael Carter called Braxton Berrios the "oldest young person ever"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH0epJ_Xb7o
This team is so fun, Michael Carter is a great personality
LaFluer mic'd up at OTAs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7mRjC_cx_s
Extend Quinnen
I don't like Quinnen he no sack enough
More from Dick
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1536764105293455361?s=20&t=cwNqKG0LODITdob28LwOPQ
I think that's Connor McDermott next to Zach, but who's the guy between him and Uzomah?
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/vnua74/ask_me_a_jets_related_question_then_edit_your
Who . . . . . . . . .Where . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Located . . . . . . . . . rookies report . . . vets reportLooking forward to the full detailed schedule so I can pick a day to go this summer.
New York JetsAtlantic Health Jets Training CenterFlorham Park, N.J.. . . . July 19 . . . . . . . July 26
until then....... :-x
Carton is getting a TV show? He basically ruined WFAN for me. Glad he doesn't make Damien unwatchable as well.
How is this poopchute getting gigs? He's AWFUL.
As you said, he ruined drive time FAN.
How is this poopchute getting gigs? He's AWFUL.How? He is literally the Trump of sports radio.
As you said, he ruined drive time FAN.
How? He is literally the Trump of sports radio.
Says a bunch of idiotic excrement that gets idiotic people riled up.
TDS is real and its spectacular.
Training Camp Schedule Released
Tix available starting on 7/14
Free Tickets here: https://www.ticketmaster.com/search?q=New%2BYork%2BJets%2BTraining%2BCamp&webSyncID=0c5337b9-36cd-5526-14a9-50aba41d95ad&sessionGUID=bb1a27bc-4ccd-cb23-3265-bb82ac4010d1
TC Dates
7/30
8/2
8/6 - Green and white game
8/8
8/14
8/19
8/20
Stealth black helmet
https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1550468860909953026?t=SQ87c7XcxxZnbKjRQa6bYA&s=19
Clearly going all black against the Pats on Oct 30
Is that Conklin looking like he's never blocked a defender in his life?
Is that Conklin looking like he's never blocked a defender in his life?
JE doesn't see color.
And in former Jet news...Wild that he's a 39-year old running back and he played for us 20 months ago.
https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1557407060005982211 (https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1557407060005982211)
And in former Jet news...I'm surprised none of the posts labeled him as "former Jet" like they did with Kellen Winslow II.
https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1557407060005982211 (https://twitter.com/tmz/status/1557407060005982211)
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
#Jets RB coach Taylor Embree on managing the RB rotation: "I was describing it to my wife: I feel like it's Pokemon and you're just sending out your next Pokemon."
Thats probably a decent way to look at it if you dive into the context, different skills for different situations etc, but out of context thats just weird
https://twitter.com/OfficialNFLShop/status/1562799021231689728?s=20&t=35Vzz9KWPkxv1yyTAJ2ATQ
Our green sideline hat is atrocious. Looks like a green failed science experiment that hit the floor. How can anyone think "Hey that looks like a great design for a hat" is beyond me
https://twitter.com/OfficialNFLShop/status/1562799021231689728?s=20&t=35Vzz9KWPkxv1yyTAJ2ATQ
Our green sideline hat is atrocious. Looks like a green failed science experiment that hit the floor. How can anyone think "Hey that looks like a great design for a hat" is beyond me
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1565713553281220609 (https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1565713553281220609)
We were about 2.5 million over the cap, now we've got 9 million to work with.
My guess is this restructure ties us to Mosely next year as well. Not a bad thing, but his albatross of a deal was nice to think we could get out of
Yo, WTF?
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/x500gx/the_new_yerksey_jets/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share (https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/x500gx/the_new_yerksey_jets/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Jets are working out DB Jimmy Moreland
Jets signed Will Parks to the active roster, per Zack Rosenblatt.
There are 8 former #Jets kickers currently on NFL rosters:
• Eddy Pineiro
• Matt Ammendola
• Brett Maher
• Randy Bullock
• Cairo Santos
• Jason Myers
• Nick Folk
• Taylor Bertolet
7 of them will be their team’s kicker on Sunday (Bertolet on PS). Nearly 1/4 of the NFL.
Wtf
My theory: Boyer might be trash.My theory: Boyer has very little to do with kickers making kicks.
My theory: Boyer has very little to do with kickers making kicks.
I think we've just gotten unlucky with our kicker success recently. We did well getting kickers off the scrap heap for a while. Since we let Myers walk, that's been flipped on its head.
I don't think it's luck, I think someone in the organization is just bad at evaluating kickers and since I don't know the scouting department I'm going with the most likely source of input I can think of who has also been the common denominator in this run. I think Boyer either doesn't know what he is looking for or he's overconfident in what his training system can do.
I haven't done the research on this but this seems like an inordinately long stretch of having crap talent at both the punter and kicker positions. Longer than it should be for just luck.
My theory: Boyer has very little to do with kickers making kicks.
Does he not have any say in who we sign to kick and punt?I don't think he's had much say in the punters. We drafted our last 2 punters. That's a GM decision. Boyer might have helped scout those guys, so maybe it's part his fault, but if Macc and JD are going to draft punters, they will give them every chance to succeed.
My theory: Boyer has very little to do with kickers making kicks.On a related note look at the Jets sketchy record securing consistent punters (TJ Conley, Kaare Vedvik(!)? lol)
I think we've just gotten unlucky with our kicker success recently. We did well getting kickers off the scrap heap for a while. Since we let Myers walk, that's been flipped on its head.
Chad Johnson
@ochocinco
I mean this is the most respectful way, the Jets offensive coordinator job is so easy, he has Garrett Wilson & Elijah Moore, do you understand as football fans how easy it is to create mismatches & manipulate any defense w/ that kind of superior talent at the WR position
I love the GW pick, but the dudes not a proven commodity yet.Of course, but he flashed like crazy last week, and he flashed even more this week. Awesome start for the rookie.
He's got to earn it and plenty to prove
Sure do you remember Stephen Hill's first two games here?freak outta here
Especially game 1, the dude was freaking anointed the chosen one.
I'm not saying Wilson anything like Hill, but dudes gotta at least play close to a whole season before people start blowing him
Sure do you remember Stephen Hill's first two games here?Wilson has a higher cap number than Hill, so pressure is on.
Especially game 1, the dude was freaking anointed the chosen one.
I'm not saying Wilson anything like Hill, but dudes gotta at least play close to a whole season before people start blowing him
Hall was inactive today. They went with Echols over Hall. Echols played about as well as possible in relief of Sauce for those few minutes
I wonder does Hall end up a guy you shop before the trade deadline?I think Hall is like Mims. Sure, we would be fine trading him if the right offer was there, but neither has much value league-wide, so unless someone is willing to give us better than a 5th, just keep the depth.
Or do you end up keeping him as an insurance policy since he's borderline playing for free?
I suppose at the end of the day the Jets probably won't trade him before the offseason unless it's for a player
Sure do you remember Stephen Hill's first two games here?GW's a proven, polished receiver with athletic talent. Background: Ryan Day, period,
Especially game 1, the dude was freaking anointed the chosen one.
I'm not saying Wilson anything like Hill, but dudes gotta at least play close to a whole season before people start blowing him
Why are we talking about trading depth for a future pick that would likely be used on depth?
Why are we talking about trading depth for a future pick that would likely be used on depth?You ever try and stretch your dick all the way back and put the tip in your derriere?
Hall is staying on the roster for the same reason that Mims is staying on the roster; making sure we have someone who can go in case of an injury.And because we value that depth over the picks we can get.
Revis has to be close to first ballot status, right?Revis should be 1st ballot. Mangold should get in eventually. Don't think Cro and Brick get in.
Mangold and Brick I'm not sure about, they're probably more Jets HOFers than NFL. Neither of them won anything; Mangold had a couple of All Pros and was a PB perennial, Brick has no All Pros and only a couple of PB selections but his durability record makes him notable.
Cro had that one ridiculous year with the Chargers but other than that his career wasn't spectacular. That one year might be enough though.
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Out of all safeties, regardless of snap count, Joyner ranks 110th out of 112.
Kinda expected Joyner to at least be average.
Let Ashtyn Cook
Sorry, not me.Yeah, I meant the latter.
Joyner has looked like hot crap for two games. 110 out of 112 sounds about right.
His quarter-assed, missed goal-line tackle of Chubb led to our victory, so there's that!
eta: just realized, Badger, you might have been referring to expectations before the season started instead of current ranks after two games. I expected at least average performance too.
Why is this coaching staff so horrible at speaking to the media?
Is LaFleur the best one?Yes but the bar is very low.
Why is this coaching staff so horrible at speaking to the media?Saleh now calling the reaction to that comment Bush league.
Saleh now calling the reaction to that comment Bush league.
https://twitter.com/BigTicket73/status/1576603256549089282 (https://twitter.com/BigTicket73/status/1576603256549089282)Deleted?
Big Bust throwing some light shade at Van Roten
Deleted?
A highlight reel for Wilson where he asks who #62 is. Said reel includes GVR getting blown up quite a bit.
https://twitter.com/SnailHatesU/status/1576604263308210179?t=SMXZiVb97UsMkB_l4o37vA&s=19
I hope a bird is shitting on MacCagnan right now.
Has that guy even worked for an organization since he was let go?According to his somewhat vandalized Wikipedia page, no
excrement, even Idzik found another gig after his disastrous tenure (which he idiotically opened his mouth on last year) here.
Has that guy even worked for an organization since he was let go?
https://twitter.com/RichEisenShow/status/1576997110427197441?s=20&t=dkfNd3TrhuWWgIqOcwv0dA
Rich Eisen is a beauty
So bummed he's not on the basic sirius package anymore.
(https://i.redd.it/nqr1c1qdymr91.jpg)
What a class
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-rookie-rankings-at-q1-of-2022-season-multiple-reps-for-jets-packers-seahawks?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cfb
Don't want to bump the Gase thread, but...
https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1578106467793702936
Breece and Sauce are both on the list for rookie of the week.Voted for both....LFG
It makes sense. As we have discussed many times before I think he's probably got an autist's eye for relentlessly breaking down video and analysing what's going on. He just can't read a game live and has a complete lack of man management skills, which is why designing plays for Peyton and letting him call them at the LOS based on what he saw was the perfect role for him.
https://twitter.com/e_moore03/status/1579901942691942401?t=m3vZEWfgxJkh9HUsq7fp_w&s=19 (https://twitter.com/e_moore03/status/1579901942691942401?t=m3vZEWfgxJkh9HUsq7fp_w&s=19)
Guys, what's going on with Elijah Moore?
Deleted... what did it say?
Deleted... what did it say?Them true colors goin show...
Them true colors goin show...
I'm not a twitterer but as far as I can tell, that tweets not deletedIt's still showing on Tapatalk in the tweet preview, but the original tweet is gone.
https://bleacherreport.com/videos/254894-stefon-diggs-almost-was-traded-to-jets
Diggs is awesome but that would've set us back tremendously.
He cost Buffalo a first, fifth and sixth in 2020 which means we'd have been deprived of the services of Becton, Bryce Hall and Braden Mann. I think we'd have coped.
He cost Buffalo a first, fifth and sixth in 2020 which means we'd have been deprived of the services of Becton, Bryce Hall and Braden Mann. I think we'd have coped.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fezf6x1WQAABkn7?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)lolbears
freak a blitz
This team is ...fun?3rd October game I've been excited for this month!
I haven't been excited about an October Jets game since 2015. Been a while.
3rd October game I've been excited for this month!
- Steelers game was there to make the Jets somewhat relevant
- Dolphins game provided hope that this year has a chance to be in the hunt late in the season
- Packers game would really make playoffs a realistic goal
We've got a real chance to sweep October. That'd be an incredible run.If you all chipped in for me to go to Wisconsin I could guarantee victory. How much do you love the Jets?
Green Bay is tough, so I won't be surprised if we drop one to them. But they are beatable.
If you all chipped in for me to go to Wisconsin I could guarantee victory. How much do you love the Jets?Is it refundable with a loss?
https://twitter.com/hashtag/jetsIs this what you meant to link? Because it's awesome.
Is this what you meant to link? Because it's awesome.Yes (thx B for re-posting it). Clicking on the link I posted I'm wondering what happened to the wise guy/jet rookie montage I originally posted. Anyway, what was also noteworthy was to learn that Sauce thus far is outpacing Stingley (LsU CB).
https://twitter.com/NyjMike/status/1580640851960528896?t=NnSsnAcRX8Zeif00g7sX4A&s=19
Looks like Bryce Hall will be available for trade until the deadline.
https://twitter.com/MattLombardoNFL/status/1581978771334184960?s=20&t=i40HR43pj245v-bcdRPDqg (https://twitter.com/MattLombardoNFL/status/1581978771334184960?s=20&t=i40HR43pj245v-bcdRPDqg)
Jets next two opponents (Den/NE) will have been coming off short weeks. IF they win both they take a 5 game win streak into Metlife vs. Buffalo and then a much-needed bye with what could be a 6-3 record. However the soj in me is trying to fight the nagging concern that Sunday represents a desparate do-or-die Broncos team in Denver with a still challenging defense.Pretty much exactly how I feel. Buoyant and optimistic with a nagging fear of inescapable failure.
Denver and New England are coin flip games on paper. We go 2-0, and missing the playoffs would be a disappointment.
New England is the bigger game but we really would like to grab 1 of 2 minimum.
i like JE am bracing for disappointment/failure as we are the jets, but both of these sorry derriere teams and franchises are there for the taking. i need this excrement so badlyI too (like JE) am bracing for disappointment/failure a la the soj clique .... whatever
I think that in general ST has been excellent, which I'm thinking is primarily a function of the depth we now have on the roster.
Braden Mann was PFF's highest rated punter last week, and is their sixth best punter on the season so far.Douglas drew a lot of criticism for Zuerlein and Mann after Week 1, rightfully so. I was mostly fine with Zuerlein, but I didn't get the obsession from the FO with Mann.
I think that in general ST has been excellent, which I'm thinking is primarily a function of the depth we now have on the roster.
Echols is one of the best gunners we've had in some time. And we've had good gunners.
elite speed and he seems like a really smart football player
Hardee has also been fantastic this season
Braden Mann was PFF's highest rated punter last week, and is their sixth best punter on the season so far.This is surprising as seeing him punt live i thought he did not kick well. At mile high I would expect a punt over 50 yards
I think that in general ST has been excellent, which I'm thinking is primarily a function of the depth we now have on the roster.
Tevin Coleman released. Cut ty Johnson and sign this beast
https://twitter.com/TheSuperAJ/status/1586511941115052033?s=19
Damn, there's a player I forgot existed.Snipes was pretty good back in the day
Rich Cimini
Jets have interest in Bradley Chubb, per King. Only this year left on contract ($7.1M). Trading team probably would want extension. Could cost a first-round pick.
So would you want to give up a 1st rd pick for Chubb??
So would you want to give up a 1st rd pick for Chubb??
I'd give up JFM, Moore, and a third for Chubb
Tunsil is a free agent end of next year, so you'd also have to consider whether you could extend him and if you'd want to.
If you trade for Tunsil, Conklin, or Chubb, there has to be an extension in play
Especially as Duane Brown isn't a problem this season
You sure about that?
He allowed 8 pressured yesterday
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1587125827455619072
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1587125827455619072That makes sense.
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1587138730678173697?s=20&t=dmUuNkMvWOvWu8Eh01rlhQWE'RE BACK, BABY
TIL Bean took his talents to Houston.Which talents? Glizzy gobbling?
Which talents? Glizzy gobbling?
AccurateI watched this last night...wasn't a funny skit, but 100% accurate and relatable. Good call.
https://youtu.be/dxz-zBR-_jc
That's disgusting, but is it a jinx if The Coin already has us losing this upcoming week?The Coin predicted the SI jinx too.
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1590372289069322240?s=20&t=hDzQbIQOWXZwfiMysyFGqA
Uzomah mic'd up
Uzomah mic'd up
Uzomah mic'd up
There are certain guys that should always be mic’ed up. Sauce Gardner and C.J. Uzomah Are guys I’d listen to every time.Mentoring GW was my favorite part.
Love him talking to Garrett. As Heis already said the trash talk at the end “you ain’t making that tackle though” is hilarious.
Mentoring GW was my favorite part.
...
“As we continue to grow,” Shamash said, “you’re going to see wins stem from our situational awareness.”
It helps that the Jets have more talent than they did in 2021, especially on offense. Quarterback Zach Wilson is in his second year and surrounded by talented weapons and an improving offensive line. The defense has gotten better, too. The Jets made big additions on both sides of the ball in the draft and in free agency with Hall, wide receiver Garrett Wilson and cornerbacks Sauce Gardner and D.J. Reed. They’re all contributing.
Also, Smash.
He’s just happy to be back where it all started.
“This organization definitely feels like home to me,” he said.
(https://i.imgur.com/IXMixX0.png)
Pepsi Rookie of the week award for 2022.
Fuckin look at it... It's beautiful.
Why don’t you get the updated one for week 9?Due to some…unpleasantness, I’m no longer allowed to edit Wikipedia.
https://twitter.com/NFLResearch/status/1592675493740175360
Sign this beast
Bryce Huff appreciation post
https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1595100450554093570?t=8lN3g02Wu653ymAivquoiw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1595100450554093570?t=8lN3g02Wu653ymAivquoiw&s=19)
It's nice, but given he's not on the field for any plays that might be run, it's not surprising that the sack rate is lower when he's not on the field.
https://twitter.com/GregJKrieg/status/1595077893205401609Must be a member of Jets Lounge.
who was it.
https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1597043767466655744?t=14zn6WzEDVmUjS0-Mcdi9Q&s=19 (https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1597043767466655744?t=14zn6WzEDVmUjS0-Mcdi9Q&s=19)
What the hell, guys?
Paul Andrew Esden Jr
@BoyGreen25
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.@peter_king
pointed out scheduling quirk against #Jets:
"It would bug me. NY plays regular-rest road games #SKOL + #BillsMafia next 2 Sundays. #Vikings & #Bills have 10 days rest. Once, okay. Twice? In a row? NYJ is playing not only better teams but more rested teams."
Do you think the schedule makers let the team down?
figures
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1597767357144842240
Per Saleh's Presser: "Ty Johnson will always dress bc of his value on special teams"Nania posted a highlight reel of Ty picking up blocks last week. They clearly like him on 3rd down. Just wish he caught the ball more consistently.
Dennis Waszak Jr.
@DWAZ73
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#Jets, in the middle of the AFC playoff hunt, increasing ticket prices for home games an average of 12% for next season
Dennis Waszak Jr.Fire Saleh
@DWAZ73
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15m
#Jets, in the middle of the AFC playoff hunt, increasing ticket prices for home games an average of 12% for next season
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1598378897476927488?t=Dj14EoIopAvqWQBKLBzQdg&s=19
"The first thing you need to know in watching film is your contract terms"
Why the hell they in a movie theater for 7 people?
Adam Schefter
Now official: Bills officially placed Von Miller on injured reserve, meaning he’s out at least four weeks.
No Von Miller when we play Buffalo
Why the hell they in a movie theater for 7 people?
I'm assuming it's just a staged photo. They might be looking at some tittays for all we know.
Can confirm, they were looking at tiddies.
they stayed in the theater post credits to leave positive reviews for Bones and All
Sauce gave it two thumbs up
That's likely just the film room. "there's only 7 of us, let's go to the broom closet to review."
#NotmyCornerback
I just returned my Sauce jersey. I have a rule for never buying current players and this is exactly why....
No Von Miller when we play Buffalo
After Favre, Sanchez and Darnold, I have a no QB rule. (Sanchez actually was fine, I got plenty of use out of it.) I'm not going to consider another QB jersey until we have one that either takes us at least as far as the AFCCG, or signs a second contract.
How many guys have we ever had that fit that criteria?Sanchez did both.
Pennington
Todd
O’Brien
Namath
Is that it? For guys who QB’ed us for at least 6 years? That’s some sort of embarrassingly bad
Sanchez did both.
I'm happy for a change we aren't internet shopping for a new coach/GM. Just a QB this time.
and hopefully OC/QB coachesInternet shopping for coordinators and QB coaches is miserable. Making pure guesses on which random assistants we barely know about will be good coordinators. Nobody has a clue. The only thing worse is GM shoppng. "This guy worked with this other guy, so he must be good!"
Internet shopping for coordinators and QB coaches is miserable. Making pure guesses on which random assistants we barely know about will be good coordinators. Nobody has a clue. The only thing worse is GM shoppng. "This guy worked with this other guy, so he must be good!"
Connor Hughes
Re-watching #Jets game: There is absolutely zero reason why these designed end-arounds and screens for Braxton Berrios shouldn't go to Elijah Moore. Every one of them should, actually.
He's a better football player. You're better off giving it to him than Berrios. Frustrating
He was about as successful as Berrios on tunnel screens so I'm not sure the end-arounds would have been any different.Moore is a better receiver than Berrios, but I think Berrios is probably better with the ball in his hands. He's been a good return man, and he's also been very good on those reverses.
Connor Hughes sucks.
Moore is a better receiver than Berrios, but I think Berrios is probably better with the ball in his hands. He's been a good return man, and he's also been very good on those reverses.
Also...this season...
Berrios: 9 rush, 91 yds, 2 TD
Moore: 4 rush, 2 yds
Moore is a better receiver than Berrios, but I think Berrios is probably better with the ball in his hands. He's been a good return man, and he's also been very good on those reverses.Yeah, for like the first half of the season every time Berrios got a carry it went for a first down or a TD.
Also...this season...
Berrios: 9 rush, 91 yds, 2 TD
Moore: 4 rush, 2 yds
As I said: Connor Hughes sucks.He's like most beat writers. Most of the time he's harmless. He has some good takes. He has some bad takes. Hughes seems to be a little more assured of himself though, whether his takes are good or bad.
He's like most beat writers. Most of the time he's harmless. He has some good takes. He has some bad takes. Hughes seems to be a little more assured of himself though, whether his takes are good or bad.
He's like most beat writers. Most of the time he's harmless. He has some good takes. He has some bad takes. Hughes seems to be a little more assured of himself though, whether his takes are good or bad.
I wholeheartedly reject this opinion. Dude's a lazy POS who should go back to blogging about the MCU.
https://twitter.com/jwhite_333/status/1601289965408636929
I thought it was a bad call on the field, a bad call on replay and a bad call today. Whitehead led with his shoulder, crushed Jefferson in the shoulder and because he hit him hard we got flagged and he got fined. Bullshit
https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/12/08/jets-announcer-bias/amp/
source: https://betting.com/nfl/bias-in-the-booth-who-are-the-most-criticized-nfl-franchises
I wonder how much was shitting on Zach Wilson? Not being funny, if they're literally reporting his statistics could that be considered "bad mouthing."Eh, the Jets have been excrement on for years. Zach definitely adds to it though.
Top pro bowl vote getters at fullback: Ingold in Miami, Juszczyk in Frisco.
For the love of god, get our system a fullback.
Sauce, Q, Hardee and Hennessey topped the AFC Pro Bowl voting at their respective positions.
How did Thomas Hennessey get votes? Who selects the Jets long snapper? Weird. I mean good for Hennessey, I’m just really surprised
By virtue of being Jet in a public vote, at a guess. If the Jets offense was half as committed as Jets Twitter we'd have already locked up a playoff place.My theory is his name is Hennessey and people like the name.
How did Thomas Hennessey get votes? Who selects the Jets long snapper? Weird. I mean good for Hennessey, I’m just really surprised
Thomas Hennessey was snubbedHalf-assed snub
Per Schefter The NFL confirmed today that New York Jets’ wide receivers coach Miles Austin has been suspended for violating the NFL’s Gambling Policy, per @RichCimini and me.
Fire the whole offensive staff lol
Last I checked, it seems like Sauce and Wilson are both the favorites for OROTY and DROTY.
And would be the second time ever an nfl team has had both in the same year.
BUT HE HASN'T FIXED EVERY POSITION ALREADY!1!!
Yeah ..I told you this when you decided to hang Joe Douglas out to dry.
BUT HE HASN'T FIXED EVERY POSITION ALREADY!1!!I like JD, but he's been here 3.5 years now. He can still use the time excuse this year, but next year is his 4th draft class and 5th season.
WILSON IS A BUST, HANG JD!
I like JD, but he's been here 3.5 years now. He can still use the time excuse this year, but next year is his 4th draft class and 5th season.I'm just glad George Paton turned down interviews with the Jets twice.
Yeah ..I told you this when you decided to hang Joe Douglas out to dry.
We all understand this recent draft was a master class.No he doesn't...stfu.
But 2020 was a complete and total diasaster. And in 2021 we traded our QB and went on to draft someone who is near the top of the list for biggest draft bust of all time
I was never ready to fire JD, but hes got a lot of freak ups to his name.
We all understand this recent draft was a master class.
But 2020 was a complete and total diasaster. And in 2021 we traded our QB and went on to draft someone who is near the top of the list for biggest draft bust of all time
I was never ready to fire JD, but hes got a lot of freak ups to his name.
No he doesn't...stfu.
Yes he doesNah
The OL has been his biggest project, and it's not looking good.
His 2020 class was horrific, 2021 is Zach Wilson.
A lot of the OL moves haven't worked out (ie Duane Brown looks like a excrement move)
The 2022 draft class was masterful. But if it wasn't for that draft class being so phenomenal, many of us would probably have JD on the hot seat next season
If Jd gets us to the playoffs, and continues to have us operating like an actual NFL organization instead of a circus with untrained monkeys running the show, the 2020 draft will ultimately not matter. The Zach miss will forever be a stain on him, and the stigma will be he can’t draft a decent QB until he does. But how long did Ozzie Newsome go before getting the right QB in the draft? You can be a stellar executive with that against you.
If the Jets become a functional group like the Ravens we’re in the early 2000s (between Super Bowls) like I think we are on track too, JD will have helped build a culture here and is just waiting and working to find the right QB to put us over the top.
If he fails to continue building and creating a culture that puts us on that path, he will get shitcanned quickly.
The Sanchize
https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/1607801061535895554?s=20&t=8J_JeLLmH3KRAuZMf8EC1Q
That's not even including his playoff wins.
As embarrassing as this is… if only we knew how good we had it
We did, and many of us were screaming for years as Tanny let a good roster decay.
I've blocked out most of Genos years
But it also sucks that Sanchez, Darnold, and Wilson all "broke" in games against the Patriots then just snowballed out of control form there
https://twitter.com/kalynkahler/status/1607815584544346113Not much we can say about this but "yeah, that's fair."
Some shade from Josh Allen to the rest of the division QBs.
Not much we can say about this but "yeah, that's fair."
As embarrassing as this is… if only we knew how good we had itDamn, I definitely knew.
https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills/status/1610750522071425024
Guy on our practice squad replaces Hamlin.
I'm all for trashing Gase
But Gase isn't the reason Bell was a mega bust
I agree with dcm...
Guys, I'm not feeling well...
Greg Stengel
@gts26rocks
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Well... the invoice is in. The @nyjets really raised their season ticket prices 30% after this excrement show of a collapse. They choose to screw over their season ticket holders at every chance. Truly an inept organization @woodyjohnson4 @WFAN660 @EvanRobertsWFAN @BrandonTierney
https://twitter.com/NYJ_Matt/status/1610395827909918720?s=19
https://twitter.com/NYJ_Matt/status/1610395827909918720?s=19
Oh. I certainly did not know this.
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1612516064708943893?s=20&t=1pPN-Qmm31p3Eq2y7hMLEA (https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1612516064708943893?s=20&t=1pPN-Qmm31p3Eq2y7hMLEA)
Achilles are brutal.
Tore mine in early June. Ran on the treadmill for the first time today. Can confirm brutality.
Eight months after I tore mine, still hurting. Can do elliptical but if I run the next day is not nice at all.
Scroll down for the picture.
https://nypost.com/2023/01/10/man-sets-four-discarded-christmas-trees-on-fire-in-nyc-cops/ (https://nypost.com/2023/01/10/man-sets-four-discarded-christmas-trees-on-fire-in-nyc-cops/)
Whoever doesn't post in the next few days is the flamer. Do we still call them flamers?
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Scroll down for the picture.
https://nypost.com/2023/01/10/man-sets-four-discarded-christmas-trees-on-fire-in-nyc-cops/
Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
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Jets assistant defensive line coach Greg Scruggs left to become the D line coach at Wisconsin. So that is another opening on the coaching staff.
I'll just throw this in here:
Per Rosenblatt, Calabrese has not been fired, but I think this is a "for now" statement. I have to believe that the incoming OC will want some input on his assistant staff.
Calabrese is sufficiently young and inexperienced that it's possible he might be seen as a guy with talent who can be used in a different role.
Assistant QB coach
Sure, something like that. His only NFL experience prior to this is two seasons of offensive quality control at Denver, so it's not like he's going to have a raft of teams ringing his phone off the hook. He's only 32, I did a spectacularly bad job of some things at that age based on a mix of ambition and ignorance. I don't think it's a given he's a bust, just that he's not suited to his current job.
https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1613577776958771217 (https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1613577776958771217)
I would hire Nick in a hot second, ideally as an assistant o-line coach. But if he demands the full HC/GM package, so be it.
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1613629672981512192?s=20&t=4ZAhpHirbqzxOwVdNRjeUA
I feel like I could derive some enjoyment from seeing Breece Hall and Saquon Barkley both playing for the Jets.
We should sign him. It's not like Breece is costing us that much.
Use them like Green Bay uses Jones/Dillon.
Bring in some 85 year old dude as OC to line them up in wing-t or wishbone on every play.
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
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Crazy #Jets fact that continues to blow my mind:
Micheal Clemons (rookie) is four months older than Quinnen Wiliams (4th year).
Sauce Gardner with the quote of the season: "the thing with that guy is that he solves all his problems with anger".Is that in reference to clemons?
Is that in reference to clemons?Yes
One of the wildest stats of the season was the disparity in roughing the passer penalties. The Jets were flagged five times, yet they were the only team not to be the beneficiary of a roughing call. Which is to say, of all the times their quarterbacks were hit, not one of them was a foul. Seems curious.
Saw an odd statistic
ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports the Panthers requested permission to interview Jets safeties coach Marquand Manuel for a coordinator position.
Manuel has been coaching in the NFL in some capacity since 2012. He earned a short-lived stint as the Falcons' defensive coordinator a few years ago before joining the Eagles and then the Jets. New York's secondary was elite this year, ranking second in the NFL in yards per pass attempt allowed. Manuel's interview could be a sign that interim head coach Steve Wilks and his staff are on their way out. Al Holcomb is currently the interim defensive coordinator, though Manuel is set to interview for that job soon.
Bring me COMP PICKS
only applies if they hire him as head coachI thought the same thing as Reuben but I checked and you're right, only HC and GM.
I thought the same thing as Reuben but I checked and you're right, only HC and GM.
I thought the same thing as Reuben but I checked and you're right, only HC and GM.freak
Rich CiminiLET'S GOOOO!
@RichCimini
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1m
#Jets claimed DT Isaiah Mack on waivers from the Seahawks. Only spent two weeks with them. Played for the Ravens this season (30 snaps in two games). Jets are thin at IDL.
LET'S GOOOO!No red flags? You're not trying hard enough here.
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1615438817955045381?s=20&t=B0t7Y8R8W55bwquZ-48m2A
do the needful, gents.
I voted 15x each for both Sauce and GW.
Hopefully splitting votes doesn't allow someone else to win.
you can vote as much as you want
If you haven't been listening, the second season of The Exchange podcast with Mangold and Sanchez is a huge leap forward from the first one. Guests have been good - Rex, Fitz, Garrett, Ray Romano and Chris Berman (who I didn't realise was a Jets fan) have been on so far.Good to know. One time I tried it, it was bad. But both guys can be good in their own and both are legends in their own ways.
Good to know. One time I tried it, it was bad. But both guys can be good in their own and both are legends in their own ways.Only time I saw it was Rex Mangold and Sanchez
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1617950468780756993?s=20&t=lOlHIaPe9gyaP9Ef0i4VAA (https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1617950468780756993?s=20&t=lOlHIaPe9gyaP9Ef0i4VAA)
Coolsies.
Amazing that we had the top 3 rookies when you add in Breece. Utterly mindblowing what we accomplished last year. If we can just get these kids a freaking quarterback…
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1617950468780756993?s=20&t=lOlHIaPe9gyaP9Ef0i4VAA (https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1617950468780756993?s=20&t=lOlHIaPe9gyaP9Ef0i4VAA)
Coolsies.
How many ROTY awards exist? So far I saw PFF, Pro Football Writers, I think theres' Associate Press...how many more are there?
Mildly nsfw
https://www.reddit.com/gallery/10n44yb
That’s weirdI came
I came
If that’s all it takes I’m sure are quite satisfactoryYeah baybay
I cameThis is normal.
I came
Hopefully splitting votes doesn't allow someone else to win.
Narrator: It did.
I don't see any announcement.
https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/aidan-hutchinson-wins-2022-pepsi-zero-sugar-nfl-rookie-of-the-year-award/
Oh well.
You didn't vote enoughoh well
oh well
Just interviewed Garret Wilson and Solomon Thomas in my show in Arizona. Will try to get the itw's and upload them to YouTube. I told Garret I wanted to see him next year but as a player not as a guest, and he promised that they'll get there within the next 5. Was fun. Thomas raved about Ulbrich and said the dressing room vibe in the team is the best he's seen. Made me way more optimistic for next season.
Just interviewed Garret Wilson and Solomon Thomas in my show in Arizona. Will try to get the itw's and upload them to YouTube. I told Garret I wanted to see him next year but as a player not as a guest, and he promised that they'll get there within the next 5. Was fun. Thomas raved about Ulbrich and said the dressing room vibe in the team is the best he's seen. Made me way more optimistic for next season.
Just interviewed Garret Wilson and Solomon Thomas in my show in Arizona. Will try to get the itw's and upload them to YouTube. I told Garret I wanted to see him next year but as a player not as a guest, and he promised that they'll get there within the next 5. Was fun. Thomas raved about Ulbrich and said the dressing room vibe in the team is the best he's seen. Made me way more optimistic for next season.Niiiice! Congrats! That's dope.
Just interviewed Garret Wilson and Solomon Thomas in my show in Arizona. Will try to get the itw's and upload them to YouTube. I told Garret I wanted to see him next year but as a player not as a guest, and he promised that they'll get there within the next 5. Was fun. Thomas raved about Ulbrich and said the dressing room vibe in the team is the best he's seen. Made me way more optimistic for next season.
Was the Pepsi rookie of the year different than the real rookie of the year? What is tonight? If so, who gives a freak about Pepsi rookie of the year? How many goddamn awards are there? There's like 78 all pro/pro bowl Pepsi/AP/Foxsports pro bowls and rookie awards. Is it too much to ask to have one god damn award?Tonight is the real deal NFL awards (official)
Tonight is the real deal NFL awards (official)Why did you guys give a excrement about the Pepsi one if that one is bullshit? I almost got a tiny but mad about that thinking it was the one that is real. I mean not really but still.
Why did you guys give a excrement about the Pepsi one if that one is bullshit? I almost got a tiny but mad about that thinking it was the one that is real. I mean not really but still.Because we love freaking with you?
Why did you guys give a excrement about the Pepsi one if that one is bullshit? I almost got a tiny but mad about that thinking it was the one that is real. I mean not really but still.
Was the Pepsi rookie of the year different than the real rookie of the year? What is tonight? If so, who gives a freak about Pepsi rookie of the year? How many goddamn awards are there? There's like 78 all pro/pro bowl Pepsi/AP/Foxsports pro bowls and rookie awards. Is it too much to ask to have one god damn award?The in-season ones are mostly meant to promote Pepsi and give Jets fans something to cheer about and distract then from their miserable lives.
Why didn't you tell Solomon you wanted to see him as a player there next year?
The in-season ones are mostly meant to promote Pepsi and give Jets fans something to cheer about and distract then from their miserable lives.That's a real answer.
Best day Jets have had in a long time.With Woddy sprinkling in some tampering on the red carpet
Wilson OROY
Sauce DROY
Revis and Klecko HOF bound
My state senator
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/new-york-lawmaker-proposes-plan-to-move-jets-to-new-stadium-in-queens-willets-point/
Virginia could use a team.
Virginia could use a team.
you guys should get running water firstYou'll never have running water because it's always -400 degrees there. Do.yoy bathe in a glacier?
You'll never have running water because it's always -400 degrees there.
My state senatorNews video at the 1:57 mark:
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/new-york-lawmaker-proposes-plan-to-move-jets-to-new-stadium-in-queens-willets-point/
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Seth Walder
@SethWalder
Fastest average pass rush get off (time to cross LOS) this season, per Next Gen Stats.
Bryce Huff, 0.67s
Myles Garrett, 0.69
Josh Sweat, 0.75
T.J. Watt, 0.75
Justin Houston, 0.75
Trey Hendrickson, 0.76
Carl Lawson, 0.76
Von Miller, 0.77
Yannick Ngakoue, 0.77
Robert Quinn, 0.78
In practical terms I don't know how significant one tenth of one second isWhatever, nice company he’s keeping ; )
News video at the 1:57 mark:
"Let's make that 'NY' on the side of the helmet really mean New York." - New York Senator Joe Addabbo, self-describe NYJ fan
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geo. santos would've approved
our helmet logo is so infuriatingly dumb
people need to get fired
I don't mind our logo on the helmet. Off the helmet, it looks dumb.
Jets fans have a decent grasp of reality
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To be fair it's a percentage of tweets about the topic
Which could just mean that jets fans are bitching about Wilson/Becton/MLF etc non stop
Anyone else notice how ridiculously hard Becton rides Lamars dick?
I don't think I've ever seen a jets player fanboi so hard for another player ever?
Anyone else notice how ridiculously hard Becton rides Lamars dick?
I don't think I've ever seen a jets player fanboi so hard for another player ever?
Rich Cimini
Have a feeling this might change: Since 2017, the Jets have played 10 prime-time games, 4th-fewest in the NFL. Havent played a Sunday Night Football game since Week 10 of 2011, the 2nd-longest active drought in the NFL (Jaguars). #Jets #Rodgers
https://twitter.com/BigTicket73/status/1640810386567090178
https://twitter.com/BigTicket73/status/1640810386567090178
When the Sacramento Kings make the playoffs, the Jets will have the longest playoff drought in all major US sportsYeah one of the talking heads on ESPN mentioned it a couple weeks ago . I died a little on the inside to hear it from that perspective lol
When the Sacramento Kings make the playoffs, the Jets will have the longest playoff drought in all major US sportsGood thing we're going to the playoffs in January.
https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/status/1641418915438813185
Just. Install. Grass.Still don't understand why this hasn't happened
Still don't understand why this hasn't happened
My understanding is that it's because we share a stadium and the grass wouldn't have enough time to recover in between games. The alternative is that grass maintenance for a shared stadium is so costly that it outweighs the competitive advantage of the reduced injury risk, which seems implausible.I think its the cost of laying brand new sod all the
I think its the cost
of laying brand new sod all
the my guess
Didn't the latest data show that injury rates between turf and grass was statistically the same?
My understanding is that it's because we share a stadium and the grass wouldn't have enough time to recover in between games. The alternative is that grass maintenance for a shared stadium is so costly that it outweighs the competitive advantage of the reduced injury risk, which seems implausible.
I could be wrong, but I think it needs to be grass by the time the World Cup comes to the stadium in a few yearsGood point, I looked it up a bit and this seems to be the case.
I could be wrong, but I think it needs to be grass by the time the World Cup comes to the stadium in a few years
Seth Walder
@SethWalder
If I'm the Jets I'm checking in on the price to move from 13 to 3.
Who is he? That's the dumbest most panicky I don't know how to negotiate take I've ever heard
Punch this poopchute in the dick for me, Derek Smalls.
Who is he? That's the dumbest most panicky I don't know how to negotiate take I've ever heardIIRC former NYDN guy, worked with Manish.
Who is he? That's the dumbest most panicky I don't know how to negotiate take I've ever heard
You know what trade up I’d be exploring?
42+43 to the Bengals for 28 and 60.
Works out +/- an early 7th round pick on the chart. If you want back into round 1 for a 5th year option, or to secure a sliding player, like perhaps John Michael Smintz, that’s the spot to pull it off.
Does it make sense for a win now team like the bengals to be trading back though?
How are they a win-now team?Elite QB on a rookie contract, with probably one of the best receivers in the league on a rookie deal
They are positioned better than just about any franchise for sustained success.
I think that was the best game of his career. Was fast, decisive and didn't make any mistakes.I said gee zach is actually good when he's got a clean pocket
Trade downs being listed as draft busts is very weird. He literally has a midseason trade on the list (at least one - didn't read whole list).
Some recency bias, and some bias against the Jets, likely in part due to our reputation at Radio City. That's the only way that Kyle Brady over Mike Mamula makes any sense.
Mike Mamula was taken ahead of Kyle Brady...you're thinking of Warren Sapp.
C'mon man, you're losing your touch.
He means the only way that Kyle Brady is ranked a bigger bust over Mike Mamula.
Mike Mamula was taken ahead of Kyle Brady...That's literally my point.
That's literally my point.
As it should be.
Give me Wright or Jones over Johnson Jr.
I don't understand this take
i explained it to you last week.
But that is a pretty terrible evaluation.
The poor balance thing just makes no sense.
He struggles with bull rush/power but he has borderline elite athleticism for an offensive lineman.
give me the safe pick
I don't think he's any less safe than Wright or Skoronski. He's much safer than Broderick Jones.
But Jones' ceiling is higher apparently.
According to who?
Per Cimini on the Flight Deck podcast
"I have heard through the grapevine the #Jets are interested in moving back. I think they are motivated to do that, to pick up extra picks. Don't be surprised if they move back to 16 or 17"
I think if we trade away one of the 2s for Rodgers, this could have some legs. My assumption is that all 4 OL targets would have to be there at 13 in order to go in this direction.
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https://twitter.com/woodyjohnson4/status/1653116912900120576?s=20Gonna be tough for Woody that there are no aging quarterbacks that are still relevant coming down the pike after Rodgers. Matt Stafford and Russell Wilson aren't moving the STH needle.
they rang it for JE
Gonna be tough for Woody that there are no aging quarterbacks that are still relevant coming down the pike after Rodgers. Matt Stafford and Russell Wilson aren't moving the STH needle.
Gonna be tough for Woody that there are no aging quarterbacks that are still relevant coming down the pike after Rodgers. Matt Stafford and Russell Wilson aren't moving the STH needle.
CousinsCousins would literally cause people to sell their season tickets.
Gonna be tough for Woody that there are no aging quarterbacks that are still relevant coming down the pike after Rodgers. Matt Stafford and Russell Wilson aren't moving the STH needle.I think there's going to be a good deal of STH turnover this decade as the generation that can actually remember SB III is reaching the age where they're beginning to question whether this is something they want to keep doing 8+ games per year.
my GF bought me season tickets as a birthday surprise a couple of months ago. she's moving in a few months and we're going to break up. i don't know what i did to deserve her
my GF bought me season tickets as a birthday surprise a couple of months ago. she's moving in a few months and we're going to break up. i don't know what i did to deserve her
GO TO HER YOU FOOL
more time to tailgate now
I think there's going to be a good deal of STH turnover this decade as the generation that can actually remember SB III is reaching the age where they're beginning to question whether this is something they want to keep doing 8+ games per year.Really? I thought that moment came 5 years ago. My family held on for a while, and then when I finally moved out of the northeast, that was the last straw.
One of my dad's friends was on the verge of dropping out if not for Rodgers. He's only continuing on the promise that he won't have to drive the group for any night games.
Really? I thought that moment came 5 years ago. My family held on for a while, and then when I finally moved out of the northeast, that was the last straw.Yeah, I suppose we're already in the midst of it.
i live far away from ny right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49wP7os2c5UI'm really curious how they will cover the McDonald pick.
Flight 2023 trailer
Coming May 18th. This is going to basically be Jet fan optimism porn this year. I’m all in.
Hope we get Hard Knocks as well
I'm really curious how they will cover the McDonald pick.
And that whole Rodgers thing.
I’m sure it won’t be hard, and most of the first episode is going to be Rodgers pursuit IMO.
10 minute Rex Hogan monologue about team culture while he grills a single burger patty.
As fun as this narrative is for the media, I'm inclined to side with Daniel Jeremiah who said that we were targeting Will McDonald all along. And if it were true that the Patriots took a discount in order to freak us, why in the world would we turn right around and trade with them on day 3?
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1654122623989846018
Raiders tried to move up to get Quinnen. A lot of us, including myself, wanted a trade down. But a trade down from 4 to 3 probably wouldn't bring enough capital.
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1654122623989846018
Raiders tried to move up to get Quinnen. A lot of us, including myself, wanted a trade down. But a trade down from 3 to 4 probably wouldn't bring enough capital.
BoyGreen is a bannable offense
https://twitter.com/BoyGreen25/status/1654122623989846018
Raiders tried to move up to get Quinnen. A lot of us, including myself, wanted a trade down. But a trade down from 3 to 4 probably wouldn't bring enough capital.
BoyGreen is a bannable offenseI cannot stand him, his tweets, videos, or articles. It's clickbait bullshit. Joe cap is my second most hated "beat writer"
How many can you get on this trip down awful memory lane?
https://www.sporcle.com/games/Dreamcast0102/new-york-jets-skill-position-matching
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I cannot stand him, his tweets, videos, or articles. It's clickbait bullshit. Joe cap is my second most hated "beat writer"
I wonder if we're going to have a #0 this season
How many can you get on this trip down awful memory lane?
https://www.sporcle.com/games/Dreamcast0102/new-york-jets-skill-position-matching
(https://i.ibb.co/BjgbL2P/Screenshot-2023-05-04-142253.png) (https://ibb.co/Qn6L9vc)
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Didn't know about the guess count
Check out the big brain on berg
Completely forgot about legendary Jets RB Jalin Moore
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1654509182765113344?s=20
Draft pick jersey numbers
Whoever put McDonald in 99 is wrong. Get him into J-Abe’s old number and fire Solomon Thomas into the sun
we haven't had a 1000 yard rusher since Chris Ivory did it in 2015Ty Johnson will cone back and change that lolololol
Jets claimed DB Javelin Guidry off waivers from the Falcons.
Guidry, entering his age-25 season in 2023, played in four games with the Raiders last year and mostly helped on special teams. He'll fight for a roster spot as depth in the Jets secondary, and his special teams experience should help him out. This is Guidry's second stint with New York.
Guidry back in the building. He might make the team over Bryce Hall, who is apparently useless.
I don't hate this since I'm usually not doing anything special that day plus it means we would never play on Thanksgiving, which I do hate.
I feel the exact opposite. I use Friday to get things done, whereas I'm sitting on my derriere all day on Thanksgiving watching the games already anyway.I grew up with Thanksgiving hosts that absolutely will not put the games on TV, so for me Thanksgiving Jets means missing the game.
This'll be a yearly "set the DVR and watch at night" game for me, assuming it's annual.
I grew up with Thanksgiving hosts that absolutely will not put the games on TV, so for me Thanksgiving Jets means missing the game.You are a grown adult. You are allowed to inform your hosts that you are going to watch the game.
The one time my uncle put on the game it was to show off his new DVR. We watched Joey Harrington and Brett Favre throw back to back INTs and then he turned it off again.
You are a grown adult. You are allowed to inform your hosts that you are going to watch the game.Not unless I want to deal with passive aggressive harbored resentment for the following months.
I grew up with Thanksgiving hosts that absolutely will not put the games on TV, so for me Thanksgiving Jets means missing the game.
The one time my uncle put on the game it was to show off his new DVR. We watched Joey Harrington and Brett Favre throw back to back INTs and then he turned it off again.
Not unless I want to deal with passive aggressive harbored resentment for the following months.
Not unless I want to deal with passive aggressive harbored resentment for the following months.
Not unless I want to deal with passive aggressive harbored resentment for the following months.
Curious then, on what kind of activities are permitted during Thanksgiving festivities?Spending quality time with loved ones
Spending quality time with loved ones
Eating
Drinking
Spending quality time with loved ones
Eating
Drinking
Not wild at all. Check the number of attempts. There's the answer.
Tom Pelissero
Former #Patriots OT Yodny Cajuste will be visiting the #Jets today and the #Giants tomorrow, per source.
With the nfl making this new emergency QB rule essentially allowing teams to carry 3 QBs, how seriously do you we invest in a #3 QB?
We already have Tim Boyle.
With the nfl making this new emergency QB rule essentially allowing teams to carry 3 QBs, how seriously do you we invest in a #3 QB?
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1661063199146360852?t=wFhKwyWLhLezxE9QsmZFPw&s=19
This is why you get rid of MLF.
Yeah...i think i hate this hire.
You have so many posts in the Hackett thread that I could have quoted here, but I decided to go with this one.That was before we traded for Rodgers....context is key, son.
Adam Schefter
Jets are working out free-agent punter Matt Araiza today, his agent @JLSports3 confirmed.
Morstead is also 37, so who knows how much he has left in the tank. However, we gave him some guarantees IIRC so I imagine it's his job at least for this year
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1661836204751331353?t=a-UhN7paBjOZ8ao0BdgMFA&s=19
Hopefully the driver is ok. Why do people do stupid things and put others lives at risk?
I don't think "young guy in high powered car runs out of talent" is a particularly unusual story. I don't know about you but when I was 24 I drove like a hooligan, and although I had sporty cars at that age they certainly weren't Redeyes. I'm lucky I never hurt anyone but I certainly smashed a couple of cars up.
I did many dumb things “as a kid” but not on the road. To me it was never worth the risk. Just glad that all it resulted in, is a pair of fucked up cars, a few thousand dollars in damages and a 1 game suspension.
Hopefully Echols learned and doesn’t ever do something so dumb again
Going 84 and a 50 isn't smart
I've done worse. Just never hit anyone like that.
Joe Namath turned 80 yesterday.Connie Carberg's bday was yesterday too..I hope they made sweet birthday love in a nearby bathroom stall.
https://twitter.com/nickmangold/status/1664394124181553154
How old is she?12 yrs post-expiration date (in mark years) - she’s cute
the rumors are the Jets have a deal worked out for when he gets released
that would be tampering
We were supposedly targeting Jahmyr Gibbs at 15 and we'd be keeping Cook away from the Dolphins.
This Le'Veon Bell guy is a helluva pass blocker and receiver, he'll really help Sam Darnold develop.
so you're saying we'd bring in Cook to help develop *checks notes*...Aaron Rodgers?
interesting strategy, Cotton.
I'm saying we shot ourselves in the dick - very recently - by giving big money to an aging running back.
If an offensive tackle of Cook's relative caliber shakes loose, I can justify the expenditure. If the Aaron Rodgers Era is a failure, it'll be because of the line, not the stable.
how many more oline signings do you want? JD went ape excrement signing oline depth all offseason.
How many more running backs do you want?
At least three.
Not Q, not wanted.There is money earmarked for Q...not worried about him
How many more running backs do you want? We've spent a 4th, a 5th, and a high 2nd trade-up on backs in as many years.I never said I wanted more HBs....but HB talent becomes available a lot easier than OL talent. So you build where you can.
We've got a career journeyman in Bill Turner, three tackles returning from major injury (the best of whom is 38-years-old) and a developmental prospect. The rest of them are bodies. I don't know how you can look at that pile and think, "Yeah, we're set."
It makes me think of the jenga scene in The Big Short. Here's a big pile of questionable excrement, but if the pile is big enough, we'll be fine.
There is money earmarked for Q...not worried about himStill don't care
Still don't careBut why
I never said I wanted more HBs....but HB talent becomes available a lot easier than OL talent.
Cook isn't going to get ridiculous money like Le'veon did
The reason for that is smart GM's don't waste money on running backs.
How many more running backs do you want? We've spent a 4th, a 5th, and a high 2nd trade-up on backs in as many years.^ This.
We've got a career journeyman in Bill Turner, three tackles returning from major injury (the best of whom is 38-years-old) and a developmental prospect. The rest of them are bodies.
I don't know how you can look at that pile and think, "Yeah, we're set."
It makes me think of the jenga scene in The Big Short. Here's a big pile of questionable excrement, but if the pile is big enough, we'll be fine.
The reason for that is smart GM's don't waste money on running backs.
Is 4-5 million dollars to upgrade to a top 5 RB room in the sport wasting money? I don’t think so.
I mean... yeah, if Dalvin Cook wants four million a year, he's more than welcome to come here. Maybe you guys have a better read on Cook's market value than I do, but I'm seeing a guy who averaged 1600 yards a season over his last four (pro bowl) seasons. He can and should be looking to get one last big contract. Elsewhere.
Garret Wilson jealousy meter at 7/10.He'll demand a trade by week 4.
Will Parks released
If we bring in Kwon and another dt who can play the run we won't have any depth holes.
If we bring in Kwon
Bill Barnwell freaking sucks
Bill Barnwell freaking sucks
Bill Barnwell freaking sucksAlso QBR is bullshit
If Aaron Rodgers plays like the 99th best player, I don't see us making it through wildcard weekend
If Aaron Rodgers plays like the 99th best player, I don't see us making it through wildcard weekendIf he plays like a top 10 quarterback, which I believe that would make him, we would be fine.
If Aaron Rodgers plays like the 99th best player, I don't see us making it through wildcard weekendBased on the title it seems like the ranking was based purely on 2022 performance. Clearly the Jets are expecting better than that. Obviously if he doesn't rebound then we're not going to have a good time.
/r/NFL's top 100 players of 2022:
100: Garrett Wilson
99: Aaron Rodgers
29: Quinnen Williams
13: Sauce Gardner
he's not the 99th best player....it's a list from reddit, dude. Jesus.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1679542727245979666If the Giants are doing it then there's no good reason for the Jets not to - they'll have to switch the turf every game anyway so there's nothing to be gained by going neutral.
https://twitter.com/RichEisenShow/status/1683559698841100292?s=20Guy’s ‘40 yd dash’ has raised millions for St. Jude’s Children’s Research Hosp. - he’s good money
It's a bit of a listen, but i swear, Rich Eisen is all of us.
I mean... yeah, if Dalvin Cook wants four million a year, he's more than welcome to come here. Maybe you guys have a better read on Cook's market value than I do, but I'm seeing a guy who averaged 1600 yards a season over his last four (pro bowl) seasons. He can and should be looking to get one last big contract. Elsewhere.
We're all in with cap space. Douglas should absolutely consider trading for an upgrade at tackle.
I also think we might just bring back George Fant.
We're all in with cap space. Douglas should absolutely consider trading for an upgrade at tackle.
I also think we might just bring back George Fant.
Trade what?
If the opportunity is there to trade for good OL, he has to offer up whatever picks we have the next two years. Sell out the entire next two drafts if you have to. We have the tiny window of Rodgers' remaining gas tank. Gotta make it count.
Trade what?
Trade what?
You don't have to give up much to take on a contract.
Cap Space
need dcm's take on dis
You don't have to give up much to take on a contract.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38081850/sean-payton-rips-nathaniel-hackett-broncos-job-jabs-jets?platform=amp
Got it - thanks MB
Per Saleh via Ari Meirov: Zach Wilson and Mekhi Becton will play in the HOF game.Just had an intrusive thought where they reenact the buttfumble.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1685692102603141120 (https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1685692102603141120)
Just had an intrusive thought where they reenact the buttfumble.
https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1686066086607740928 (https://twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1686066086607740928)
CJ getting some love
Honestly as much as Jets fans want to rag on the guy, I think he’s actually become underrated by our fan base. While we may not think it, he was an all pro last year and is considered a top 50 player by his peers. Most people talk about Mosely like he is lucky to be a starter
https://twitter.com/raymickens24/status/1686709163324211201?t=U3h-anUkg_z8tNlTOLcU5w&s=19
This article is from 2016.Someone tell Ray.
(https://i.redd.it/jy82y7hr11gb1.jpg)Huh. I never realized his name is spelled incorrectly
I don't trust this pronunciation chart.
You're throwing an H in an otherwise fluid, awesome name like Zaire? Have I just been saying it wrong?
eck-ELS? freak you, ECK-uls.
Kuntz is one syllable, freak that. The cymbal tap doesn't count.
ah-BAH-ni-KAN-DA until I hear him say otherwise.
Please not this idiocy again
But surely this is the fewest 1pm games the Jets have had in a season in forever?
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1698763688692338729?s=20Alex Lewis and Le'Veon Bell.
Top 2 guesses:
Jamal Adams
Elijah Moore
https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1699530179394109644 (https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1699530179394109644)
Brownlee or Gipson?
Irv Charles
Teams bring in guys for workouts all the time. Doesn't mean anyone is going anywhere. But until Brownlee or Gibson proves themselves, we should keep looking
PointsBet is running a promotion right now that if you open an account and place a wager of $50 or more with odds of -500 or longer, you'll receive a $150 promotional credit on Fanatics.com. Figured that would be of interest to anyone that wants to buy a new Jets jersey.
What was your bet?
What was your bet?
I bet the Jets on the moneyline.
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
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The #Jets activated the practice window for rookies DB Jarrick Bernard-Converse (PUP) and OT Carter Warren (IR).
I completely forgot about these guysWas just thinking that. It was until 2 weeks ago that any of our draft picks started playing any snaps.
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
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The #Jets activated the practice window for rookies DB Jarrick Bernard-Converse (PUP) and OT Carter Warren (IR).
https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status/1710047674538353017 (https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status/1710047674538353017)
Maximum clown.
"Bo will not punt for the Jets for any less than $3 million per year." Same result.
"Bo will not punt for the Jets for any less than $3 million per year." Same result.This made me realize I would pay some sort of money to watch just regular dudes try and play football.
This made me realize I would pay some sort of money to watch just regular dudes try and play football.
“Bo shanks another one for a net of 16 yards.”
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/38631107/2023-nfl-trade-deadline-15-offers-players-draft-picks-jerry-jeudy-danielle-hunter-marquise-brown
3 Jets trades in here. Lawson for a Chiefs backup OT. Cook for negative draft capital. Hardman for Donovan Peoples-Jones. I'd be happy with all of these.
Blake Cashman defensive player of the week
Blake Cashman Maccagnanclass
Hackenberg will be the next Tommy MaddoxXFL MVP: six letters that strike fear into the hearts of millions.
Te Adams, not happy in Vegas.
Come to us, Davante.
Baring a miracle, this is our offense. Hopefully Jason Brownlee can show something.
I'd love to know why Brownlee is MIA.
I'm hoping that Ruckert takes over for Uzomah after the bye. He's much better in the passing game.
Bring the Ruckert
I thought the idea we would trade for an OL was a miracle. I don't know if that's true at wide receiver.
The Giants have 100 slot receivers. We can't get Parris Campbell for the same deal we just gave for Hardman? Greg Dortch? Rondale Moore? There are guys out there that aren't playing on other teams that would be upgrades over what we have. We could also try to give up more for a Jeudy/Sutton.
I think the most likely scenario is they try to give Gipson more playing time, and maybe Brownlee, too. But when JD mapped out this WR corps, 2 of the 4 guys he was likely planning to play roles are gone.
We don't have anything of quality to trade for actual quality.We have draft picks. And Greg Dortch doesn't require a ton.
At the very least I think the CS gives the current roster a week before they try and make a move for someone. They kept Brownlee for a reason. Gipson can move the chains when the ball is in his hands.
We have draft picks. And Greg Dortch doesn't require a ton.
Who the freak is Greg Dortch?Don't let SFD see you posted this.
Don't let SFD see you posted this.
A better slot receiver than Randall Cobb who we could probably get for a late 2025 pick swap.
My point with Brownlee is that it's hard to believe he's worse than Hardman and Cobb.
He isn't a slot option like Cobb or Hardman or Gipson.Zach is 54% comp, 4.6 yds per attempt, 1 TD, 4 Int with Cobb on the field
You guys hate on Cobb, but he's in the right place and he gets the other dudes lined up on or off the ball. That helps Zach out tremendously. We eventually won't need him out there but he fixes a lot of the mistakes we saw under LaFleur.
He isn't a slot option like Cobb or Hardman or Gipson.
You guys hate on Cobb, but he's in the right place and he gets the other dudes lined up on or off the ball. That helps Zach out tremendously. We eventually won't need him out there but he fixes a lot of the mistakes we saw under LaFleur.
Is it possible we can find a slot WR who knows the playbook/alignments AND how to catch the ball?
Zach is 54% comp, 4.6 yds per attempt, 1 TD, 4 Int with Cobb on the field
Zach is 70% comp, 8.2 yds per attempt, 3 TD, 1 Int with Cobb off the field.
He made one of the toughest, most clutch catches of the season for us against Philly on the two point conversion.
He redeemed himself with that one.
That's only passing downs. How quickly we forget how bad Denzel Mims was a simply lining up on or off the football. Or false starting for no reason and killing drives.3.8 yds per rush with him on and 5.9 yds per rush with him off.
3.8 yds per rush with him on and 5.9 yds per rush with him off.
Zach is 54% comp, 4.6 yds per attempt, 1 TD, 4 Int with Cobb on the fieldYeah but still
Zach is 70% comp, 8.2 yds per attempt, 3 TD, 1 Int with Cobb off the field.
That's not how this works and you know it.Then make it how it works.
I think stats always need to be part of the story, but if...I've never seen a stat so convincingly reinforce the eye test.
- the on/off stats are horrifically bad (which they are)
- the actual stats are the worst of any WR in the NFL (which they are)
....then it's pretty clear that Randall Cobb is a problem.
I don't want to hate Cobb. I loved him in college. I loved him in Green Bay. He seems like a great guy. But he cannot play nearly half of our snaps. This is like playing Frank Gore in 2020, except we aren't trying to tank.
If the solution is to play more Gipson, then fine. But if we're trying to compete for a playoff spot - and we should be trying at this point - then we need somebody better than Cobb playing on the field. Especially when your WR2 is Allen Lazard.
Zach isn't a great QB, but we need to give him help. Lazard isn't that good, but he's big and can block. Cobb is a willing blocker, and he may help get people aligned correctly, but we can't play both of them together with Zach at QB and have a high-level passing game.
We could survive Cobb if we had Garrett Wilson and Davante Adams on the outside. But we have Lazard. We can't have 2 receivers playing a ton of snaps whose best qualities are things that don't include receiving. Lazard is fine, but we really could use a dynamic slot receiver to go with them. At the very least, we need someone better than the least productive receiver in the NFL in over a decade.
https://twitter.com/TheJetPress/status/1715048698328109290
He isn’t good and we have an internal replacement ready to go in Gipper. Hopefully the snaps start to go his wayThis
We only have 4 players above 50 receiving yards: GW, Conklin, Lazard, and Breece, and Lazard is on pace for ~550 yards. Third option of some sort is definitely needed
I'd also like to see.what we have in Brownlee and Gipson as receiver options
I don't know if anyone can get enough yards with Zach at QB. He's definitely playing better, but he isn't lighting up the yardage charts. You could bring in Davante Adams and he'd get 50 yards a game with Zach. I think the QB and the playcalling is the issue.I also think that our current group of pass catchers is below average. Wilson is a top 15 WR in the NFL but outside of Breece as a pass catching RB, we are average at tight end and below average at WR.
Not picking on you specifically here, but this is one of my most hated expressions in sports fandom. If they're not on the field it's because they're not showing the coaches who work with them every day enough in training to justify getting actual reps, so either you think that being under the glare of floodlights, TV cameras and 80K drunk yelling people they're going to suddenly find another gear, or you don't trust the opinion of the coaches.The other issue is that Gipson is more of a return man than WR at this point. He was an inconsistent pass catcher in preseason. And Brownlee is an outside receiver.
Not picking on you specifically here, but this is one of my most hated expressions in sports fandom. If they're not on the field it's because they're not showing the coaches who work with them every day enough in training to justify getting actual reps, so either you think that being under the glare of floodlights, TV cameras and 80K drunk yelling people they're going to suddenly find another gear, or you don't trust the opinion of the coaches.We saw this tram lean on vets because they were vets and have it hurt us before. They're on the 53 roster because they showed the coaching staff something.
We saw this tram lean on vets because they were vets and have it hurt us before. They're on the 53 roster because they showed the coaching staff something.
I just want to see the CS give them a chance before we start spending the future on the present.
I understand, but Cobb is ARod's guy. It's not like they're leaving him in there because Zach will be pissed if he isn't, so it has to be because Gipson isn't showing enough to replace him in that role. Maybe there is a loyalty from Hack to Cobb, but still. Pretty sure he wants to win and is going to put the personnel out there who give us the best chance to do that. I don't know how well Gipson can play the slot role but if he isn't showing enough in training to convince the coaches then he shouldn't be doing it on game day just because we want to see if he can.Who the freak is ARod?
Who the freak is ARod?
Alex Rodriguez. Played shortstop for the Yankees. Also the nickname of our highly paid quarterback.Is that the same guy the Jets hired as a QB coach?
The Las Vegas Raiders have been shopping wide receiver Hunter Renfrow while inquiring about a pass rusher since moving on from Chandler Jones. I recently spoke to Raiders owner Mark Davis at the annual fall league meeting in New York and asked him, “You sellers?” He responded, “We’re trying to win.” This aligns with the conversations I have had around the league about the Raiders’ philosophy: They are looking to successfully compete, not tear down.
https://theathletic.com/4983672/2023/10/21/nfl-trade-deadline-latest-updates/ (https://theathletic.com/4983672/2023/10/21/nfl-trade-deadline-latest-updates/)
Renfrow for Lawson
https://jetsxfactor.com/2023/10/23/ny-jets-victories-nyc-bar-tabsTempting. Too bad our easiest games are missing.
Jets have the easiest remaining SOS.
Jets (18th) .500
NE (17th) .507
Miami (11th) .530
Buffalo (6th) .554
All three still have the Chiefs, Buffalo and Miami still have the Cowboys, Buffalo still have the Eagles.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9O3z1AbwAAzVx1?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Supports the eye test for all three of our guys.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1719495961905434912 (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1719495961905434912)We're America's team
Our SNF game against the Raiders was NOT flexed out.
We're America's team
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1719819094709477539 (https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1719819094709477539)
I wanted the Jets to draft him but was relieved when it turned out he was a shithead as a pro. Maybe he's matured.
This does not sound like a locker room fit:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident)
At least Clemons is just pretend scary (I think).
This does not sound like a locker room fit:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident)
At least Clemons is just pretend scary (I think).
This does not sound like a locker room fit:I would argue if you think the guy is somewhat redeemable, our locker room is good enough to take a problem child if you think the skillset is worth it. I have no idea if it's worth it in this case. But if you're assaulting a woman, I'm happy to pass on him.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38035836/browns-release-dt-perrion-winfrey-following-robbery-incident)
At least Clemons is just pretend scary (I think).
You guys buy into any of the Corey is coming back rumors?
I don’t think his hands would be significantly better than Lazard’s.
You guys buy into any of the Corey is coming back rumors?I haven't heard them so by default I'm not buying them.
I haven't heard them so by default I'm not buying them.
It's one guy saying he has a "feeling"
soxx funny feeling
It's one guy saying he has a "feeling"
soxx funny feeling
https://twitter.com/CBSMornings/status/1720468398260302119?t=pTifyT-NXGzhobQHGKrpbQ&s=19Jets' kitchen staff is Arbys
Jets' kitchen staff is ArbysIf it was I'd believe Denzel Mims.
Lmao we were ranked higher with LaFleur.
https://x.com/nfl_memes/status/1721742004927828060?s=46&t=ZNQYid0cwYc7XYhInMbqIQ
https://www.newyorkjets.com/photos/gallery-celebrity-photos-from-monday-night-football-vs-the-chargers
I freaking can't stand "influencers"
Influencers are the NFTs of people.
People are the NFTs of the planet.Planets are the NFTs of stars.
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
The #Jets activated TE Kenny Yeboah’s 21-day practice window.
we back
(https://c.tenor.com/n8DB4bmpduIAAAAM/yeah-bwoi-grin.gif)
https://twitter.com/ameliaprobst/status/1725612820660707738
We actually drop to 7th when QB salaries are factored in, and 8th if you include Burrow.
So uhh yeah
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2023/11/19/news/jets-legend-joe-namath-accused-of-allowing-child-sex-abuse-at-football-camp-from-hero-to-zero/amp/
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1727342327994212407 (https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1727342327994212407)They need to quit playing with this dude
Need that carcoochie board for Thanksgiving dinner!
They need to quit playing with this dude
They need to quit playing with this dude
They need to quit playing with this dudehttps://youtu.be/2hshkdneE8o
https://youtu.be/2hshkdneE8oHahaha this for sure
^^We're not last!
https://x.com/nyjets/status/1732909100877451300?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Ty Conklin easily
https://x.com/nyjets/status/1732909100877451300?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Ty Conklin easily
Can just fire Calabrese carter and Downing now?Can't
We all know that's the only change coming
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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CB Sauce Gardner and DT Quinnen Williams named Pro Bowl starters for the second straight year, the #Jets announce.
That's it. No other Pro Bowlers.
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Six #Jets were named alternates: K Greg Zuerlein (first alternate), P Thomas Morstead (first), LB C.J. Mosley (third), RB Breece Hall (fifth), LB Quincy Williams (fifth) and DE/LB Jermaine Johnson (fifth).
Pro Bowl is a popularity contest, let's see what happens when the all-pro team is announced.
Pro Bowl is a popularity contest, let's see what happens when the all-pro team is announced.
Shawn Jefferson back as WR coach, maybe we can get a discount on Van Jefferson? He will fit in as a JAG in the locker roomLazard and Van Jefferson have consistently rated out as terrible receivers elsewhere, so bringing in both in consecutive offseasons would be very Jets.
Lazard and Van Jefferson have consistently rated out as terrible receivers elsewhere, so bringing in both in consecutive offseasons would be very Jets.
Van Jefferson would be an upgrade over Gipson and Cobb as WR4 or WR5. If we sign him to be WR2, we are cooked.
This.
Are the Jags letting Calvin Ridley go? I wouldn't mind him as a short term solution if we can't pull in a bigger free agent or someone in the first round of the draft.
We might be going back to London this season…
https://x.com/gustoon/status/1762589568065274296?s=46
Jets official game day broadcast moves to Q104.3 ("New York's Classic Rock Station") as of this season.Was just coming in to post this. Weird move but ok.
https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1762874111808733491?s=20
Bob Salad with a milquetoast grade from the NFLPA....on the same tier as Eberflus and Brandon Staley lol.
https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1762874111808733491?s=20Kind of a reach to call a B a bad grade.
Bob Salad with a milquetoast grade from the NFLPA....on the same tier as Eberflus and Brandon Staley lol.
Kind of a reach to call a B a bad grade.
Frank Reich: A-
lmao
Kevin O'Connell - A+I don't think he was ever on our staff, but he was on our team in 2009-10.
wasn't he our QB coach?
I don't think he was ever on our staff, but he was on our team in 2009-10.
If you go, will you slap the excrement out of Gustoon for all of us?
uSTADIUM
@uSTADIUM
6 teams will propose pushing the NFL Trade Deadline back two weeks from Week 8 to Week 10, per @jjones9
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The #Browns, #Eagles, #Jets, #49ers, #Lions and #Commanders are the 6 teams that are set to propose it.
The idea behind it is to increase trade activity and intrigue as teams believed the deadline is too early to decide if they are buyers or sellers.
Right now it’s believed that owners are split on the idea, as they believe pushing the deadline back will increase tanking.
Why would pushing back the deadline increase tanking? I don't understand this thinking in sports. If you can trade later, you can make your team better later, so you can fight a little longer to stay in the hunt. Once the deadline comes, if you feel like you're out of it and you sell, you have nothing but the tank to look forward to.
Because if there's less season left you have more idea of your chances of making the playoffs, and thus teams will become more motivated sellers at the deadline. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing if the NFL ends up with the concept of rentals in the way hockey does.
Right, which is why having more time after the deadline like now should logically increase tanking rather than the other way around. A shorter post-deadline period should keep more teams fighting for longer before giving up.
The Cleveland GM had an interesting set of data on it in a press chat at the Combine - essentially the NFL deadline comes 45% of the way through the season at which point virtually no one is out of the running, so teams are reluctant to sell unless it's a disgruntled player or a deal you can't refuse. By moving it later which would be more in line with other sports, teams are likely to be more realistic about playoff chances and sell to tank.
I just think those same teams are going to tank anyway. They may as well get assets to assist in the next rebuild and teams that are in the hunt can improve. I'm a fan of pushing trade deadlines later in other sports too. I didn't like baseball dumping the waiver trade deadline; I'd have preferred they change it to an extended regular deadline. Later deadlines make better playoff teams while helping bad teams work on their future.
100% agree, it would make the deadline more interesting and more useful to teams on both the buy and sell side.
100% agree, it would make the deadline more interesting and more useful to teams on both the buy and sell side.We all agree - I'll let Goodell know we gave it the green light.