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The Rest Of The Sports World => Designated Hitters Make Baseball Better => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2020, 09:57:32 PM
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Weep NL fans
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#checkmate
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RIP strategery
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its only for 2020 and only if they get stuck doing regional divisions mixing al/nl teams, to level the playing field for the woefully inept al
its still freaking stupid and gayer than all of you faggots
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the worst part about this is that this is just another load of excrement manfred is trying to cram down our throats.
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its only for 2020
Suuuure
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shut up i hate manfred :(
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Nobody is gonna miss pitchers taking at bats once it's gone.
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its only for 2020 and only if they get stuck doing regional divisions mixing al/nl teams, to level the playing field for the woefully inept al
its still freaking stupid and gayer than all of you faggots
Weep
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Nobody is gonna miss pitchers taking at bats once it's gone.
I’m gonna tell my kids that the double switch was the greatest thing this game has ever seen
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I’m gonna tell my kids that the double switch was the greatest thing this game has ever seen
- Aristotle
- Plato
- La Russa
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I’m gonna tell my kids that the double switch was the greatest thing this game has ever seen
They won't know what baseball is since we'll be in year 7 of quarantine by the time you've said this
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Thought it was DP, glad its not.
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Thought it was DP, glad its not.
Still sore from the last time?
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Still sore from the last time?
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Thought it was DP, glad its not.
its basically the same.
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freak the coronavirus
But at least it fixed baseball
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MLB offer includes universal DH for not just 2020, but 2021 too. It also includes on top of 100 pct prorated salary for 60 games, a $25M postseason pool.
-Joel Sherman
Weep NL fans
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MLB offer includes universal DH for not just 2020, but 2021 too. It also includes on top of 100 pct prorated salary for 60 games, a $25M postseason pool.
-Joel Sherman
Take the deal
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terrible. just terrible.
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terrible. just terrible.
drink it in, homie
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Weep NL fans
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Just wondering how wrong league fans are enjoying interesting baseball.
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Just wondering how wrong league fans are enjoying interesting baseball.
as a fan of an NL team who was always indifferent, never 'anti', regarding the NL getting the DH, I can tell you that getting the DH has done nothing to make the mets anything other than a mediocre to below average team with the worst ownership group and GM in the league. i don't feel any different, it's still the same crap
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as a fan of an NL team who was always indifferent, never 'anti', regarding the NL getting the DH, I can tell you that getting the DH has done nothing to make the mets anything other than a mediocre to below average team with the worst ownership group and GM in the league. i don't feel any different, it's still the same crap
That's a lot of words to say "I don't miss seeing pitchers hit."
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Just wondering how wrong league fans are enjoying interesting baseball.
The DH is Marxist
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its stupid. i'd rather see the giants pitchers hit than the assemblage of excrement we've trotted out so far in dh.
i hate it
but hey, at least we get to see the dodgers trot out another free agent
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its stupid. i'd rather see the giants pitchers hit than the assemblage of excrement we've trotted out so far in dh.
i hate it
but hey, at least we get to see the dodgers trot out another free agent
That's a lot of words to say "my team sucks"
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lol, 2 for 2
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RIP strategery
This about sums it up. Late innings are a lot less interesting this way.
I do use it for my daughter's softball team.
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its stupid. i'd rather see the giants pitchers hit than the assemblage of excrement we've trotted out so far in dh.
i hate it
but hey, at least we get to see the dodgers trot out another free agent
We must crush you.
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I can see why Yankees fans have always been so adamantly for the DH. If your team has money you just line up a row of hitters, a couple starters and a closer, it's real hard to lose. The Dodgers are almost unbeatable this way.
Not having to work the game around the 9 spot late in games makes your bench and most of your bullpen an afterthought. There's definitely an element of the game missing.
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The only element of the game missing is watching pitchers flail at fastballs right down the middle and balls in the dirt
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The only element of the game missing is watching pitchers flail at fastballs right down the middle and balls in the dirt
Not at all. Pitchers account for usually 2 of a team's 40 or so at bats per game, especially in this era of the 5 or 6 inning starter. In exchange for those two at bats you remove strategy and the use of half your roster.
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Imagine making an argument that it's more fun to watch utility players pinch hit for a professional bunter rather than being able to watch a professional hitter crush fastballs
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Imagine making an argument that it's more fun to watch utility players pinch hit for a professional bunter rather than being able to watch a professional hitter crush fastballs
Imagine obsessing on two at bats out of 40 where the batter has an 80% chance to make an out instead of a 75% chance, and dumbing down the whole game for it.
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IF ANY MORE TIME IS SPENT ARGUING ABOUT THE DH IM GONNA FCKIN LOSE IT
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IF ANY MORE TIME IS SPENT ARGUING ABOUT THE DH IM GONNA FCKIN LOSE IT
Maybe don't read the thread someone made about a DH, in a forum named after the DH.
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Maybe don't read the thread someone made about a DH, in a forum named after the DH.
imagine a thread titled 'Universal DH' that actually talks about the status of how the universal DH experiment is going this year and isn't dominated by 'WAH WAH WAH THE DH SUCKS' vs 'WAH WAH WAH THE DH IS THE BEST' fuckassery
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its still stupid as freak
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imagine a thread titled 'Universal DH' that actually talks about the status of how the universal DH experiment is going this year and isn't dominated by 'WAH WAH WAH THE DH SUCKS' vs 'WAH WAH WAH THE DH IS THE BEST' fuckassery
I'm the only one who has made a point actually discussing it aside from the "PiTCheRs Can'T HiT" replies.
Since everyone seemed to miss it, I'll say it again. As a fan of a big money/big market team who is dominating their league (Dodgers), I've realized why Yankee fans have always been such adamant supporters of the DH. Rather than discuss that, two Yankee fans came in here to tell me pitchers can't hit and you came here to complain.
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In the 2012 postseason, Barry Zito faced Justin Verlander twice and had 1 RBI.
In the 2012/2013 postseasons, the Oakland A’s faced Justin Verlander 112 times and also had 1 RBI.
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In the 2012 postseason, Barry Zito faced Justin Verlander twice and had 1 RBI.
In the 2012/2013 postseasons, the Oakland A’s faced Justin Verlander 112 times and also had 1 RBI.
That's a good stat.
Some of them can hit, but to me that isn't the argument. I think the fact that you have that spot in the lineup to have to use your roster and make decisions for, it makes the game a lot more interesting from the 5th or 6th inning on. So many variables, it affects when you might use a pitcher if that spot is coming up, who is on your bench, what guys can come in and play different positions. It just adds a lot to the game.
If you're a Yankee fan and you've just been watching a lineup of mashers for the past 20 or 30 years, none of that probably ever occurred to you. You don't want to see a pitcher hit and the ripple effect of having that 9 spot in the order isn't something you've probably ever thought about. I see it now with the Dodgers and it's great for us, but I still think the game is missing a lot with the DH.
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I grew up watching National League baseball, so I prefer no DH. Mainly because it's what I like and I don't like change. Different strokes for different folks. Strategy vs. more offense. I can understand both.
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DH RULEZ
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*Bows*
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Haha
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I, for one, welcome our new overlords who excel at hitting but can’t field for excrement.
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Haha
I can’t imagine a world with baseball that exists without Dan Vogelbach
Or even worse, one where you have to watch him play the field
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Pitching to 8 batters then an automatic out = strategy
Facing 9 professional hitters on repeat = dumbing down the game
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I can’t imagine a world with baseball that exists without Dan Vogelbach
Or even worse, one where you have to watch him play the field
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Poor Seafood knows in his heart that the DH is so much better, but like so many belief-based attitudes, it's hard to give up what you cling to, even in the face of science. I just hope he continues to see the error of his ways and fully comes around to the truth.
The DH is objectively better for baseball. If you don't agree, well, everyone is allowed to be wrong sometimes, I guess.
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Pitching to 8 batters then an automatic out = strategy
Facing 9 professional hitters on repeat = dumbing down the game
Wake me up when they pull the starting pitcher. I’m only here for the guy who gets one at bat every 4 games.
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The best you guys can come back with is cartoons and nonsense. Speaks volumes.
Poor Seafood knows in his heart that the DH is so much better, but like so many belief-based attitudes, it's hard to give up what you cling to, even in the face of science. I just hope he continues to see the error of his ways and fully comes around to the truth.
The DH is objectively better for baseball. If you don't agree, well, everyone is allowed to be wrong sometimes, I guess.
There's nothing objective about it. Again, as a Dodger fan I can see why the Yankee fans are so protective about this. Especially the ones whose knowledge of baseball consists of strutting around in T-shirts celebrating all of their titles from last century (like you helped). It takes almost no wisdom to just throw a bunch of money at a row of hitters and a couple of pitchers. I'm glad the Dodgers have wrapped up a playoff spot inside of three weeks, but it leaves a lot of the game very uninteresting.
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i'm a fan of an NL team and have never had a problem with the NL lacking the DH, and have never had issue with the AL having the DH. That being said, I think it's very cool and a nice changeup that we're currently in a time where the universal DH is a thing. let's see how it goes
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i'm a fan of an NL team and have never had a problem with the NL lacking the DH, and have never had issue with the AL having the DH. That being said, I think it's very cool and a nice changeup that we're currently in a time where the universal DH is a thing. let's see how it goes
This post gave IS a stroke
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This post gave IS a stroke
Wrong again, MB.
#KeepRex
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Wrong again, MB.
#KeepRex
There’s always next time
#TradeRevis
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i'm a fan of an NL team and have never had a problem with the NL lacking the DH, and have never had issue with the AL having the DH. That being said, I think it's very cool and a nice changeup that we're currently in a time where the universal DH is a thing. let's see how it goes
I’ve always thought the correct format is AL with DH, NL without DH. I’ve said this many times. I prefer AL baseball, but the amount of times that I would have to watch the Yankees play NL style rules is very few and honestly a refreshing change of pace. I would probably prefer NL rules if I grew up watching an NL team.
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I’ve always thought the correct format is AL with DH, NL without DH. I’ve said this many times. I prefer AL baseball, but the amount of times that I would have to watch the Yankees play NL style rules is very few and honestly a refreshing change of pace. I would probably prefer NL rules if I grew up watching an NL team.
I would probably defend NJ if I grew up there but I'd be wrong
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I would probably defend NJ if I grew up there but I'd be wrong
I’ve always supported giving NYC back to the indigenous population.
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I would probably defend NJ if I grew up there but I'd be wrong
Hahaha
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its a fruitless fight because the mlbpa wants it and mlb wants it so its gonna happen.
it's still bullshit and just homogenizes the game. theres nothing differentiating the leagues now, so you may as well just put em all into 1 big shitshow league and invite the top 30 teams into your new expanded playoffs for more of the same thing we have now, but with implications
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I feel so bad for people who want to watch pitchers bunt
Who hurt you?
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I’ve always supported giving NYC back to the indigenous population.
They might be able to just show up and claim it pretty soon.
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I feel so bad for people who want to watch pitchers bunt
Who hurt you?
This. All of this.
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Who hurt you?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=marx--001wil
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I feel so bad for people who want to watch pitchers bunt
Who hurt you?
What, you'd rather watch say Edwin Encarnacion up at bat than Tyler Bauer?!?!
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What, you'd rather watch say Edwin Encarnacion up at bat than Tyler Bauer?!?!
They don't have an answer for anything I said and they don't even understand what it is they are against. So we're back to bad jokes and "pitchers can't hit". Brilliant analysis here.
It's kind of fun to watch my team sleepwalk and still play 700 ball, but hopefully full baseball returns next year.
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The overall point is that the things you are espousing as the virtues of keeping the DH out of the NL are things most fans don't care about.
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The overall point is that the things you are espousing as the virtues of keeping the DH out of the NL are things most fans don't care about.
Most AL fans, who don't know what it is because they've never seen it. Especially Yankee fans who can just buy a lineup and win most of their games, why change anything?
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Most AL fans, who don't know what it is because they've never seen it. Especially Yankee fans who can just buy a lineup and win most of their games, why change anything?
I've seen the Mets play plenty of times and never saw anything I wanted to incorporate
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I've seen the Mets play plenty of times and never saw anything I wanted to incorporate
As a Mets fan, I support this statement.
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Most AL fans, who don't know what it is because they've never seen it. Especially Yankee fans who can just buy a lineup and win most of their games, why change anything?
The Dodgers payroll is publicly accessible information, let me know if you need help reading the numbers
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Stockholm Syndrome
It's the only possible explanation
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The Dodgers payroll is publicly accessible information, let me know if you need help reading the numbers
Also I'm pretty sure that a starting pitcher who can hit consistently is going to cost a bunch more than a slugger who can't field.
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The Dodgers payroll is publicly accessible information, let me know if you need help reading the numbers
Ok. Did I say it wasn't? DH is great for the Dodgers and the Yankees, but it still dumbs down the game.
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DH is great
/thread
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Glad we could all agree, that’s a 1st on this board.
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Glad we could all agree, that’s a 1st on this board.
I'm frightened
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Glad we could all agree, that’s a 1st on this board.
freak the beach
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You guys are funny.
So we've confirmed that there is no real argument for the DH, other than jokes and PiTcHeRs CaNt HiT.
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They should make QBs kick field goals
For strategery
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They should make QBs kick field goals
For strategery
If QBs were required to kick FG since football was invented, they'd be decent at it and we wouldn't have to waste a roster spot on a guy that everyone hates.
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The Dodgers already gave us Jackie Robinson
Now we want them to take on the DH too?
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If QBs were required to kick FG since football was invented, they'd be decent at it and we wouldn't have to waste a roster spot on a guy that everyone hates.
It actually used to be guys on the team, not a specialty. Pretty sure the Colts K in Super Bowl III was Lou Michaels, a big dumb lineman who kicked straight on and missed one or two.
Different than obsessing on a 5% out differential in 5% of the ABs in a baseball game, but this will serve as your history minute for the day.
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There's no argument against the DH. Offense sells the game more than defense.
Strategizing which of a handful of utility players goes into the game for one AB is the worst selling point I have ever read.
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There's no argument against the DH. Offense sells the game more than defense.
Strategizing which of a handful of utility players goes into the game for one AB is the worst selling point I have ever read.
At least someone gave it a try. The whole game gets more interesting from the 5th inning on because the benches and bullpens all come into play, managing the 9 spot around the game situation and available players.
I know, who wants to deal with strategy and thinking when you can just have a glorified home run derby for three hours?
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As of now, the DH will be AL-only next season, I'm hearing. The union and MLB would have to expand it to both leagues through bargaining.
The NL sucks again
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Weep NL fans
somehow this still applies
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Good news. As much fun as it's been for the Dodgers to play 700 ball on cruise control, it will be fun to get back to major league baseball again.
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i think the biggest thing going for the DH is that it allows you to continue to play that offensive-minded player who kind of sucks at defense while still trying to optimize your defensive potential.
kind of unfair for the super stacked teams who can field well-rounded players at all positions and still benefit from the extra dh player, but still. the dh would have been the perfect way for the mets to utilize somebody like cespedes. piece of excrement
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I’m slowly running out of reasons to remain a Mets fan.
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I’m slowly running out of reasons to remain a Mets fan.
just give steve cohen 5 years
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i think the biggest thing going for the DH is that it allows you to continue to play that offensive-minded player who kind of sucks at defense while still trying to optimize your defensive potential.
kind of unfair for the super stacked teams who can field well-rounded players at all positions and still benefit from the extra dh player, but still. the dh would have been the perfect way for the mets to utilize somebody like cespedes. piece of excrement
You are correct, but it should also benefit bad teams that need to get a middle of the order type bat in their lineup. DH guys are easy to come by.
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You are correct, but it should also benefit bad teams that need to get a middle of the order type bat in their lineup. DH guys are easy to come by.
if the DH had been present in the NL a few years earlier, we would have kept daniel murphy and he would have had that awesome 2016 season with us, and maybe we would have had a deeper run into the playoffs that year. 2015-2016 was the time for that team to win a title
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awesome.
suck it bitchesssssss
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awesome.
suck it bitchesssssss
Lol isn’t Buster Posey under contract for Jacoby Ellsbury money
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i accept that my team is saddled with terrible contracts and will continue to suck for a few more years.
the dh still freaking sucks
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i accept that my team is saddled with terrible contracts and will continue to suck for a few more years.
the dh still freaking sucks
I would rather watch Posey get ABs than rot on the bench to end his career while my team sucks.
They’re not gonna play him over Bart, right?
Is Brandon Belt done anytime soon?
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awesome.
suck it bitchesssssss
Are the bitches the poor NL fans?
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Just when I had hope 2021 would be better than 2020.
Thoughts and prayers to my NL-watching friends out there.
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I would rather watch Posey get ABs than rot on the bench to end his career while my team sucks.
They’re not gonna play him over Bart, right?
Is Brandon Belt done anytime soon?
More guys get into the game without the DH because you need your bench a lot more often.
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More guys get into the game without the DH because you need your bench a lot more often.
That’s.. not factually true. The pitcher is taking AB’s away from “bench” guys every game.
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That’s.. not factually true. The pitcher is taking AB’s away from “bench” guys every game.
The way pitching staffs are managed now a pitcher takes 2 ABs per game, max. Past the 5th inning they hit for the pitcher in the NL too, they just don't give you a spot for it. That means you don't "rot on the bench" in the NL, more different bench guys get into most games. Your entire roster matters much more. If you use an opener like a lot of teams do now, the pitcher might not bat at all.
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Psst...you can pinch-hit a bench scrub for a DH. Pass it on.
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per @Buster_ESPN, “unless the MLB and players' union animus erupts to the point of complete dysfunction”, the NL will readopt the DH for 2021
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Weep NL fans
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per @Buster_ESPN, “unless the MLB and players' union animus erupts to the point of complete dysfunction”, the NL will readopt the DH for 2021
Logic prevails
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So I can set my alarm for October for a meaningful Dodger game. Ok.
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this is a nightmare.
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Honestly, I love the Dodgers and I'm glad they won the World Series, but they shouldn't be able to play 700 ball on cruse control after giving away three starting pitchers and having another one opt out.
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MLB instructed clubs in a memo last week to proceed under the assumption the DH will not be used in the NL this year, though few will complain if the league and union reach agreement to the contrary.
RIP Dodgers
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First coronavirus, now this
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finally some good freaking news
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prrrrt
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This is easily fixed though, the Dodgers can just name a pitcher as their DH if they want. That way their fans get to continue watching excrement batters and convincing themselves it's strategic.
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Joe Kelly,DH?
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This is easily fixed though, the Dodgers can just name a pitcher as their DH if they want. That way their fans get to continue watching excrement batters and convincing themselves it's strategic.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/708957-english-premier-league-40-of-the-biggest-flops-in-premiership-history
strategery
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/708957-english-premier-league-40-of-the-biggest-flops-in-premiership-history
strategery
I'm not sure what the point of linking that article is but it's terrible, as it a) contains so many errors I'm fairly sure that the person writing it doesn't actually watch soccer, and b) there's no way that list makes sense if it doesn't contain Andrea Silenzi.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/708957-english-premier-league-40-of-the-biggest-flops-in-premiership-history
strategery
Ratioed by Andrea Silenzi
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RIP Dodgers
Haha they'll be fine, they just won't be able to play 700 ball on cruise control.
This is easily fixed though, the Dodgers can just name a pitcher as their DH if they want. That way their fans get to continue watching excrement batters and convincing themselves it's strategic.
Always cute when foreigners try to talk baseball.
Joe Kelly,DH?
Would make a hell of a t-shirt.
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https://twitter.com/dbacks/status/1374517091190009858?s=21
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https://twitter.com/jtkirkmanwf/status/1392535153709363202?s=21
You guys don’t get the stratergy
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Isn't no NL DH so fun? Mets are down 2 and have 2 runners on with 2 outs and send the pitcher up to not swing. Automatic strike out. Inning over.
lol
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lol
You just don't understand the strategy.
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https://twitter.com/lindseyadler/status/1421285915150913539?s=21
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Stay woke NL purists
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one of the GOAT memes