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Other Stuff => The Pats-Hater Parking Lot => Topic started by: Badger on March 24, 2015, 11:13:23 AM
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Might as well kick this off.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/ted-cruz-my-music-tastes-changed-on-911/
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Might as well kick this off.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/ted-cruz-my-music-tastes-changed-on-911/
It's better TV than most sitcoms, even though the acting isn't as good.
It wasn't Justified good, but it was better than Two and a Half Men.
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Sweet baby jeebus, Ted Cruz's dad is a comedic goldmine.
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It's better TV than most sitcoms, even though the acting isn't as good.
It wasn't Justified good, but it was better than Two and a Half Men.
If he likes Banshee I am out.
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I can't remember the last time I didn't give a excrement about an election. The older I get the more apolitical I become.
And that's not because I have a lack of views. I have no problem sharing my thoughts on what's going on. I just hate politicians.
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As someone with no republican to even consider voting for in 2016 (I'll at least hear what Jeb and Paul have to say though), I am thrilled Cruz is in first. The primary debates are going to be must see TV.
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Cruz is a moron, I don't want another 8 years of an Obama clone. Jeb Bush sucks as well. good lord the choices in 16' is going to be no different than Death or Ooga Booga.
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As someone with no republican to even consider voting for in 2016 (I'll at least hear what Jeb and Paul have to say though), I am thrilled Cruz is in first. The primary debates are going to be must see TV.
I think I mentioned this in the politics thread, but Rand Paul will say two things I really agree with followed by another thing that makes me want to give up on him completely.
Unfortunately this will not improve on the campaign trail, as every candidate will doubtlessly start pandering to the idiots.
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I think I mentioned this in the politics thread, but Rand Paul will say two things I really agree with followed by another thing that makes me want to give up on him completely.
Unfortunately this will not improve on the campaign trail, as every candidate will doubtlessly start pandering to the idiots.
I don't see Jeb and Paul folding completely to the crazies on the right, as every other candidate surely will.
If Paul can put a truly consistent message together without bowing to the baggers, he will quickly gain some interest from independents, and moderates on both sides of the aisle.
Jeb needs to distance himself from his brother. He's immensely more intelligent. If he can do it I would imagine he comes out as the nominee.
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I don't see Jeb and Paul folding completely to the crazies on the right, as every other candidate surely will.
If Paul can put a truly consistent message together without bowing to the baggers, he will quickly gain some interest from independents, and moderates on both sides of the aisle.
After seeing the decline of John McCain between 2000 and 2008, I won't believe any Republican candidate is immune to it until I see it.
Jeb needs to distance himself from his brother. He's immensely more intelligent. If he can do it I would imagine he comes out as the nominee.
What will democrats do if he wins the nom? They already shot their wad on denouncing McCain as Bush 2.0.
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Cruz is a moron, I don't want another 8 years of an Obama clone. Jeb Bush sucks as well. good lord the choices in 16' is going to be no different than Death or Ooga Booga.
Elizabeth Warren would be awesome, but her chances of getting elected are only marginally better than mine.
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After seeing the decline of John McCain between 2000 and 2008, I won't believe any Republican candidate is immune to it until I see it.
McCain's fall from moderate land was sad to watch. I was a fan of his long ago.
What will democrats do if he wins the nom? They already shot their wad on denouncing McCain as Bush 2.0.
Well, to be fair, McCain was basically Dubya 2.0 in 2008. Jeb is very different than Dubya. He will just need to prove it. Assuming Jeb is running against Hillary, I sort of think their baggage will even each other out.
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Elizabeth Warren would be awesome, but her chances of getting elected are only marginally better than mine.
If she got past Hillary, which is highly unlikely, I think she would energize the democratic base and get a higher voter turnout. Also, the anyone but Hillary crowd on the right might not bother going to the polls.
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Its been too long since a Bush or Clinton was in office.
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I am all for making it longer.
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I am all for making it longer.
Agreed. If only there were any other options. Hopefully one comes along.
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If she got past Hillary, which is highly unlikely, I think she would energize the democratic base and get a higher voter turnout. Also, the anyone but Hillary crowd on the right might not bother going to the polls.
You kidding? The far right money machine would go into overdrive if Warren got the nomination, she's their worst nightmare.
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You kidding? The far right money machine would go into overdrive if Warren got the nomination, she's their worst nightmare.
Those who know who she is and understand (to an extent) her platform would certainly sound the alarms. But the average idiot on that end of the spectrum would still find Hillary more appalling.
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You kidding? The far right money machine would go into overdrive if Warren got the nomination, she's their worst nightmare.
I'm sure they would, and that would help their cause IF they turned out. Another Clinton going in to office would be better for the average yokel turnout.
EDIT : What Badge said.
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You can't make this excrement up. The irony is beautiful.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/24/politics/ted-cruz-obamacare/index.html
"What is problematic about Obamacare is that it is killing millions of jobs in this country and has killed millions of jobs," Cruz said. "It has forced millions of people into part time work. It has caused millions of people to lose their insurance, to lose their doctors and to face skyrocketing insurance premiums. That is unacceptable."
He sounds like Carl Sagan, a very retarded, bold face lying version of Carl Sagan.
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Fun fact: Ted Cruz was born in Calgary.
Anyway, I'd be pretty surprised if Hillary doesn't end up winning in 2016
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You can't make this excrement up. The irony is beautiful.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/24/politics/ted-cruz-obamacare/index.html
He sounds like Carl Sagan, a very retarded, bold face lying version of Carl Sagan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZmafy_v8g8
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Fun fact: Ted Cruz was born in Calgary.
I'm sure there's an explanation for it but I haven't heard anyone explain yet what the difference is between his an Obama's supposed situation.
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I'm sure there's an explanation for it but I haven't heard anyone explain yet what the difference is between his an Obama's supposed situation.
I'm guessing both of Cruz's parents were American citizens? I'm not sure that either of Obama's parents were American citizens, so the fact he was born on US soil was very important.
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I'm guessing both of Cruz's parents were American citizens? I'm not sure that either of Obama's parents were American citizens, so the fact he was born on US soil was very important.
Cruz's father is a Cuban defector who became a naturalized US citizen in 2005.
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I'm guessing both of Cruz's parents were American citizens? I'm not sure that either of Obama's parents were American citizens, so the fact he was born on US soil was very important.
Obama's mother was American, his father was not. He was born in America.
Cruz's mother was American, his father was not. He was not born in America.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/yes-ted-cruz-can-be-born-in-canada-and-still-become-president-of-the-us/275469/
But what won't prevent Cruz from becoming president is his place of birth. Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada, while his parents were living there. His father is now an American citizen, but was not at the time; his mother, however, was born in the United States.
Helpfully, the Congressional Research Service gathered all of the information relevant to Cruz's case a few years ago, at the height (nadir?) of Obama birtherism. In short, the Constitution says that the president must be a natural-born citizen. "The weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion appears to support the notion that 'natural born Citizen' means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship 'at birth' or 'by birth,' including any child born 'in' the United States, the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parents who has met U.S. residency requirements," the CRS's Jack Maskell wrote. So in short: Cruz is a citizen; Cruz is not naturalized; therefore Cruz is a natural-born citizen, and in any case his mother is a citizen. You can read the CRS memo at bottom; here's a much longer and more detailed 2011 version.
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Elizabeth Warren would be terrible for businesses and terrible for healthcare.
There's gotta be someone on the left who supports abortion gay marriage and all those hot button liberal issues, that doesn't have retarded economic views
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Cruz's father is a Cuban defector who became a naturalized US citizen in 2005.
So, I guess the mom was enough. Just checked, and Obama's mom was born in Kansas, so that entire birther fiasco was a moot point.
From Wiki:
The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth," either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth."
The precedent seems to go all the way back to Chester A. Arthur, the 21st president, born in Candada to a US mother and Canadian father.
Apparently Obama should have just told everyone he was born on Mars to a US mother. It wouldn't have mattered by rule of law.
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Now I'm confused as to how that entire movement gained steam. I don't remember hearing a single person explain that rule.
Just HE WAS BORN IN KENYA and NUH UH YOU LIAR.
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I can't believe Jeb Bush is the most promising GOP candidate so far. It's going to be Clinton vs Bush and it's going to be horrible.
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Now I'm confused as to how that entire movement gained steam.
Certainly not any racism involved.
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I can't believe Jeb Bush is the most promising GOP candidate so far. It's going to be Clinton vs Bush and it's going to be horrible.
It's gonna be hard not to smack the first person I hear saying they're just voting for the lesser of two evils.
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Elizabeth Warren would be terrible for businesses and terrible for healthcare.
There's gotta be someone on the left who supports abortion gay marriage and all those hot button liberal issues, that doesn't have retarded economic views
Elizabeth Warren would be awesome for people, and the fact that it would be upset you and your kind so much simply makes her an even greater person.
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Elizabeth Warren would be awesome for people, and the fact that it would be upset you and your kind so much simply makes her an even greater person.
And my point is made.
When the uber liberal lefties describe her as awesome, you know she way too far to the left
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Certainly not any racism involved.
Well yeah, but I don't understand how it wasn't instantly debunked.
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And my point is made.
When the uber liberal lefties describe her as awesome, you know she way too far to the left
I'd describe her as "worth listening to."
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I'd describe her as "worth listening to."
As fitting as a bankruptcy attorney is for someone in charge of Obamacare, we'd be better off with someone who wants to build the economy. Like that chick McCain wanted as his vp, carly fiona (or whatever her name was, the one from HP)
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Elizabeth Warren would be awesome for people, and the fact that it would be upset you and your kind so much simply makes her an even greater person.
Warren would be a breath of fresh air, but Obama was supposed to be as well. And while I approve of Obama's job for the most part, he succumbed to the political machine just like Warren would.
Warren would in all likelihood be facing a hostile congress, though the dems do have a punchers chance of taking back the Senate. Even with such a scenario the House would just say NO to anything she proposes.
Hillary would have a chance to work with a hostile congress, because even though she is a icky female democrat, she is by no stretch of the imagination a far left progressive.
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I'd describe her as "worth listening to."
You have to factor in that dcm is a simple child with little experience of the world. For a start, he thinks that I'm an "uber liberal leftie".
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As fitting as a bankruptcy attorney is for someone in charge of Obamacare, we'd be better off with someone who wants to build the economy. Like that chick McCain wanted as his vp, carly fiona (or whatever her name was, the one from HP)
There would be no Obama(Romney)care if we had gone to a single payer system like every other 1st world country.
The problem is republicans don't want to 'build the economy'. They want to milk every penny they can and hand it to millionaires. If the middle and lower class have no money to spend, there is no 'economy'. In the last 30 years, every time we ease taxes and regulations on big corporations the economy has tanked.
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There would be no Obama(Romney)care if we had gone to a single payer system like every other 1st world country.
The problem is republicans don't want to 'build the economy'. They want to milk every penny they can and hand it to millionaires. If the middle and lower class have no money to spend, there is no 'economy'. In the last 30 years, every time we ease taxes and regulations on big corporations the economy has tanked.
Call it what you want to call it.
But raising capital gains is bad for investing capital. And the left vehemently has pushed to increase capital gains.
You hear it from the left all the time
Zomg the rich people's tax rate is lower than mine..
No it's freaking not, they chose to invest their money.
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There would be no Obama(Romney)care if we had gone to a single payer system like every other 1st world country.
The problem is republicans don't want to 'build the economy'. They want to milk every penny they can and hand it to millionaires. If the middle and lower class have no money to spend, there is no 'economy'. In the last 30 years, every time we ease taxes and regulations on big corporations the economy has tanked.
THe problem is the vast majority of politicians need to cater to a relatively small amount of big donors who have very particular agendas, and almost anyone with effective ideas regarding the long-term health of the nation will be fed up with or sucked into the pragmatic reality of modern politics.
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THe problem is the vast majority of politicians need to cater to a relatively small amount of big donors who have very particular agendas, and almost anyone with effective ideas regarding the long-term health of the nation will be fed up with or sucked into the pragmatic reality of modern politics.
That's very true. If only there were a candidate with a genuine commitment to campaign finance reform:
Washington Reform
Washington is rigged to work for those with an army of lawyers and an army of lobbyists. I've seen the thundering herds of lobbyists fill the halls of Congress first-hand, and I can tell you that Washington works for them and the big corporations and banks they represent, but too often it doesn't work for middle class families. That's got to change. We need serious campaign finance reform so that elected officials are truly representatives of the people to stop the revolving door between Congress and lobbying firms, beginning with a lifetime ban on members of Congress from becoming lobbyists, stronger restrictions to stop the revolving door from Congressional staffer to industry representative, and more serious restrictions on lobbyists working in Congress to reform the filibuster, beginning with a requirement that anyone who wants to stop the people's business must go out onto the Senate floor and actually filibuster, live and in person, so that the American people see precisely who is creating gridlock, and to support a strong Government Accountability Office, an independent voice to prevent fraud and to stop wasteful practices.
http://elizabethwarren.com/issues/leveling-the-playing-field
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Call it what you want to call it.
But raising capital gains is bad for investing capital. And the left vehemently has pushed to increase capital gains.
You hear it from the left all the time
Zomg the rich people's tax rate is lower than mine..
No it's freaking not, they chose to invest their money.
I don't care how you make your money. If you make a profit you should be taxed on it. Nuke the IRS and create a flat tax on ALL income above 'poverty' level. You wouldn't need a progressive tax if everyone was paying the same % of their income. Rich people and big business will still invest their money, because smart investments lead to massive profits.
I wouldn't double dip on businesses either. I would not tax money paid out to employees or shareholders, as they would be getting taxed on their income already.
Neither party would have the balls to do this, so I know it's just a fantasy.
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Ollie needs to be in this thread to up the fun factor.
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THe problem is the vast majority of politicians need to cater to a relatively small amount of big donors who have very particular agendas, and almost anyone with effective ideas regarding the long-term health of the nation will be fed up with or sucked into the pragmatic reality of modern politics.
No doubt we need to go back to individual donations only with a cap on the amount.
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It's pretty simple to get more money in America, allow the repatriation of corporate cash. It won't harm America, it's money not coming over regardless.
Anyway, I digress, I don't know much about Warren, I will look into her in the next several days. This country needs more and better options badly, like really badly.
Agreed. If only there were any other options. Hopefully one comes along.
Definitely, we need real options, lots of luck with that though.
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I don't care how you make your money. If you make a profit you should be taxed on it. Nuke the IRS and create a flat tax on ALL income above 'poverty' level. You wouldn't need a progressive tax if everyone was paying the same % of their income. Rich people and big business will still invest their money, because smart investments lead to massive profits.
I wouldn't double dip on businesses either. I would not tax money paid out to employees or shareholders, as they would be getting taxed on their income already.
Neither party would have the balls to do this, so I know it's just a fantasy.
I agree with you on a flat tax. And you can't have regular taxes apply to capital gains or else nobody would invest. That would be freaking absurd.
Investing you have a chance to lose money by helping businesses grow.
They shouldn't be taxed much
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I agree with you on a flat tax. And you can't have regular taxes apply to capital gains or else nobody would invest. That would be freaking absurd.
Investing you have a chance to lose money by helping businesses grow.
They shouldn't be taxed much
The bolded is simply not true. You would lose the same amount on bad investments. A 20% tax on $0 is the same as a 30% tax on $0.
If your profit margin on your good investments was a bit less, perhaps we would see less bad investments being made. You can damn well be certain that investing will continue. Making money off money is still the best job you can get.
The whole argument that capital gains taxes stifle investment is a red herring that has no basis in factual evidence.
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Elizabeth Warren would be awesome, but her chances of getting elected are only marginally better than mine.
She's a nutcase.
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The bolded is simply not true. You would lose the same amount on bad investments. A 20% tax on $0 is the same as a 30% tax on $0.
If your profit margin on your good investments was a bit less, perhaps we would see less bad investments being made. You can damn well be certain that investing will continue. Making money off money is still the best job you can get.
The whole argument that capital gains taxes stifle investment is a red herring that has no basis in factual evidence.
But you risk losing money when you invest it. You don't risk losing money when you work.
People don't have to show up to work worrying about getting a negative paycheck.
And to suggest that people would invest just as much if capital gains were higher is absurd.
Things like real estate or paying off (extra on) your mortgage etc look for more attractive..
Capital gains absolutely hurts investing. It's almost like saying interest rates don't effect lending/borrowing. Or that gas prices don't effect how much people drive. "well it doesn't matter if gas is 10$ a gallon, driving is still the best way to get places and people still have to go to work"
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My favorite is the suggestion that we return to a pre-16th amendment system of taxation. I can just see how happy people would be with the massive taxes levied on everything now produced overseas.
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My favorite is the suggestion that we return to a pre-16th amendment system of taxation. I can just see how happy people would be with the massive taxes levied on everything now produced overseas.
It should bring jobs back to the states.
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She's a nutcase.
And I'm sold on Warren.
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My favorite is the suggestion that we return to a pre-16th amendment system of taxation. I can just see how happy people would be with the massive taxes levied on everything now produced overseas.
You mean you wouldn't want to spend 10$ on a pencil made at a USA factory with 15$/hour minimum wage?
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But you risk losing money when you invest it. You don't risk losing money when you work.
People don't have to show up to work worrying about getting a negative paycheck.
And to suggest that people would invest just as much if capital gains were higher is absurd.
Things like real estate or paying off (extra on) your mortgage etc look for more attractive..
Capital gains absolutely hurts investing. It's almost like saying interest rates don't effect lending/borrowing. Or that gas prices don't effect how much people drive. "well it doesn't matter if gas is 10$ a gallon, driving is still the best way to get places and people still have to go to work"
This is a terrible and non-applicable argument.
If you are making $2 off every $1 invested now (profits - losses), you are not going to stop investing if that number drops to $1.75, $1.50, or even $1.25 after taxes. It's still free profit. Money making money.
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You mean you wouldn't want to spend 10$ on a pencil made at a USA factory with 15$/hour minimum wage?
Let's be honest, we'd be in better shape globally if it weren't for the exploitation of cheap and slave labor. I'm not even talking about human rights. I'm talking about decreased consumption and slowed population growth.
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This is a terrible and non-applicable argument.
If you are making $2 off every $1 invested now (profits - losses), you are not going to stop investing if that number drops to $1.75, $1.50, or even $1.25 after taxes. It's still free profit. Money making money.
It makes other options more attractive.
Paying off your mortgage, life insurance, paying your car cash, rental properties etc all become far more attractive.
Instead of investing in businesses that creates jobs, you invest in other excrement.
Hell instead of people being able to reinvest that money, they're giving it to the government.
They already paid taxes on that money when they earned it. Now they're being taxed yet again.
Let me ask you this. If you buy a house for 100k and sell it in 10 years for 200k. Should you have to pay 35% income tax on the appreciation?
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This is a terrible and non-applicable argument.
If you are making $2 off every $1 invested now (profits - losses), you are not going to stop investing if that number drops to $1.75, $1.50, or even $1.25 after taxes. It's still free profit. Money making money.
This is all I needed to read to know you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
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Let's be honest, we'd be in better shape globally if it weren't for the exploitation of cheap and slave labor. I'm not even talking about human rights. I'm talking about decreased consumption and slowed population growth.
Slow population growth is actually a sign of a very healthy economy and high standard of living. Poor people like having lots of kids.
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Ted Cruz taking on the internets:
"Net Neutrality"is Obamacare for the internet; the internet should not operate at the speed of government.
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Slow population growth is actually a sign of a very healthy economy and high standard of living. Poor people like having lots of kids.
Right, but there were limits on growth until we found a way to boost consumption for all. Poor people can't have kids if they're dying of starvation.
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Ted Cruz taking on the internets:
"Net Neutrality"is Obamacare for the internet; the internet should not operate at the speed of government.
ell em eh freaking oh
that's fantastic.
Warren's ideas on making the Student Loan industry less of a fist freak in every undergrads poopchute would be a good start. I think if she does run she has a quick exit, unless she pulls off what Obama did. I don't think that happens twice in a decade.
Cruz is fodder to make Jeb look like a better choice than Hillary. Hillary is the worst democratic candidate I've ever seen. Hilary is going to be more of the same over the past 15 years.
This is the worst candidate pool I've ever seen. Maybe an underdog does come out of nowhere to win on either the right or left, because the main choices are laughably deplorable.
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Slow population growth is actually a sign of a very healthy economy and high standard of living. Poor people like having lots of kids.
So do crazy mormons, and they have more money than everyone on this board combined.
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So do crazy mormons, and they have more money than everyone on this board combined.
They're an outlier.
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They're an outlier.
We say that now, but in 20 years... Mitten's mitten's mitten's will be running this country, and we'll all have to take 4 wives and wear magic underwear.
Oh, for the record, freak Scott Walker.
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They're an outlier.
I think the response you were looking for was "yeah but still".
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It makes other options more attractive.
Paying off your mortgage, life insurance, paying your car cash, rental properties etc all become far more attractive.
None of those options are making you money, barring rental properties under ideal circumstances. You may be saving some money in interest, that much is true. But that doesn't stop smart investing from being viable income option, regardless of the tax rate.
Instead of investing in businesses that creates jobs, you invest in other excrement.
There is no proof that investing in companies (or lowering corporate tax rates) creates jobs, or results in higher employee wages. There never has been. Executives just give themselves bonuses. It's this mindset that has created the wage gap that we all see now.
Hell instead of people being able to reinvest that money, they're giving it to the government.
They already paid taxes on that money when they earned it. Now they're being taxed yet again.
You are not taxed 'again' on anything. You are only taxed on the additional earnings that the investment brings in. All earnings should be taxed equally.
Let me ask you this. If you buy a house for 100k and sell it in 10 years for 200k. Should you have to pay 35% income tax on the appreciation?
Depends where you live I suppose. In CA and NV, you are taxed on the appreciation upon sale of the home, IF you were not the primary resident (rentals, etc.)
Not to mention you have been paying ever increasing property taxes over that 10 years for the home. At about 3K average per year you have already paid 30K by the time you cash out your 100K in equity.
To be clear though, I am all in favor of not paying any tax on the appreciation of a home, specifically because of the property tax issue.
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Does any state levy CGT on the sale of a primary residence?
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None of those options are making you money, barring rental properties under ideal circumstances. You may be saving some money in interest, that much is true. But that doesn't stop smart investing from being viable income option, regardless of the tax rate.
There is no proof that investing in companies (or lowering corporate tax rates) creates jobs, or results in higher employee wages. There never has been. Executives just give themselves bonuses. It's this mindset that has created the wage gap that we all see now.
You are not taxed 'again' on anything. You are only taxed on the additional earnings that the investment brings in. All earnings should be taxed equally.
Depends where you live I suppose. In CA and NV, you are taxed on the appreciation upon sale of the home, IF you were not the primary resident (rentals, etc.)
Not to mention you have been paying ever increasing property taxes over that 10 years for the home. At about 3K average per year you have already paid 30K by the time you cash out your 100K in equity.
To be clear though, I am all in favor of not paying any tax on the appreciation of a home, specifically because of the property tax issue.
Home tax is not income tax on the appreciation.
And for the record you do pay capital gains on sale of a home (under certain conditions) in addition to homeowners insurance
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You are not taxed 'again' on anything. You are only taxed on the additional earnings that the investment brings in. All earnings should be taxed equally.
This is where I never understand the whole "you're taxing people twice on the same money" argument. Capital gains tax (at least from my own rudimentary understanding) is a tax on the profit above what you originally paid for whatever entity was purchased. You're not being re-taxed on the money you originally earned (and spent to purchase the item). You're being taxed on the profit you made in the sale of that item, above the purchase price, which is new income.
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Home tax is not income tax on the appreciation.
And for the record you do pay capital gains on sale of a home (under certain conditions) in addition to homeowners insurance
Yes, that was what I was getting at. My point was I disagree with capital gains tax on a home, because much of that appreciation is likely due to upgrades made to the home over that 10 years.
I would NOT be opposed to a capital gains tax based solely on the average increase in property value. Say you buy it for 100K and did nothing to upgrade the home. If the average increase in property value went up by 30% over that 10 years, than you would pay taxes on the first 30K in appreciation. So if you put sweat equity the home (or are just awesome with real estate) and sell it for 200K, 70K would be tax free, since you have already paid taxes on the money you used to add the equity, if that makes sense.
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Don't people already pay increased property tax when the value of said property increases?
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Don't people already pay increased property tax when the value of said property increases?
Yes. Which is why my favored option would be no tax at all on appreciation at sale. I was just providing a reasonable, but not preferred, alternative.
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So then real estate speculation will become a far more attractive investment, which will send home prices soaring.
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Elizabeth Warren
Everyone else can die in a fire.
Starting with Ted Cruz
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So then real estate speculation will become a far more attractive investment, which will send home prices soaring.
I'm not sure how it would send home prices soaring. It still comes down to supply and demand. Recent history has shown us that overbuilding and overpricing leads to empty houses and a buyers market as property taxes shoot through the roof as well, ultimately forcing the market to adjust downward. Then you have investors sitting on empty properties that are worth less than their initial investment.
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Yes, that was what I was getting at. My point was I disagree with capital gains tax on a home, because much of that appreciation is likely due to upgrades made to the home over that 10 years.
I would NOT be opposed to a capital gains tax based solely on the average increase in property value. Say you buy it for 100K and did nothing to upgrade the home. If the average increase in property value went up by 30% over that 10 years, than you would pay taxes on the first 30K in appreciation. So if you put sweat equity the home (or are just awesome with real estate) and sell it for 200K, 70K would be tax free, since you have already paid taxes on the money you used to add the equity, if that makes sense.
But what about inflation?
Home prices should increase simply as a factor of inflation.
So if you're home is increasing in value annually then you'll pay tax on that? Despite the fact that a moderate portion of that is inflation
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But what about inflation?
Home prices should increase simply as a factor of inflation.
So if you're home is increasing in value annually then you'll pay tax on that? Despite the fact that a moderate portion of that is inflation
No they shouldn't, there's this little thing called market factors and an even smaller thing called suppy and demand, you should read about that.
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No they shouldn't, there's this little thing called market factors and an even smaller thing called suppy and demand, you should read about that.
So inflation has no impact on home values?
I'm not saying inflation is the only thing that increases it, but it absolutely contributes
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So inflation has no impact on home values?
I'm not saying inflation is the only thing that increases it, but it absolutely contributes
If it did it would factored in to average property values across the board. Under the alternate model I proposed I suppose you would be taxed on that at sale.
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So inflation has no impact on home values?
I'm not saying inflation is the only thing that increases it, but it absolutely contributes
If inflation is 2.5% that doesn't mean a house is worth 2.5% more the following year, no it does not work like that!
Inflation doesn't factor directly into housing prices the way you describe. It factors in, in an entirely different way.
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My response to everything dcm has said in this thread:
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/38de8d0164938b4d71467385c77b52e1/tumblr_mvnmkudva21qkgh4go1_500.png)
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My response to everything dcm has said in this thread:
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/38de8d0164938b4d71467385c77b52e1/tumblr_mvnmkudva21qkgh4go1_500.png)
Because business, you freaking leftie loon.
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If inflation is 2.5% that doesn't mean a house is worth 2.5% more the following year, no it does not work like that!
Inflation doesn't factor directly into housing prices the way you describe. It factors in, in an entirely different way.
I'm not gonna dig through this thread because I don't care, but I don't think I said that.
But inflation still increases the value of homes.
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I'm not gonna dig through this thread because I don't care, but I don't think I said that.
But inflation still increases the value of homes.
You did and you have no idea what you're talking about, but that hasn't stopped you before.
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I think we're losing sight of what this thread is about.
Bashing Ted Cruz.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/25/ted-cruz-compares-climate-change-activists-to-flat-earthers-where-to-begin/
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I think we're losing sight of what this thread is about.
Bashing Ted Cruz.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/25/ted-cruz-compares-climate-change-activists-to-flat-earthers-where-to-begin/
Conspiracy mode engaged:
He's out here being retarded so that Jeb Bush comes in and looks like a sane hero to the republican party. The country, who is tired of dems and "thanks, obama" running the white house, elect Jeb in a landslide victory.
That's what they're doing.
Sane mode:
He's adorable. What percentage of Americans agree with this stuff? A third? Running on platforms only a third of the country agrees with is obviously going to get you nowhere.
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Mike Huckabee to announce his Presidential candidacy this evening. Does he just not like money or something?
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Mike Huckabee to announce his Presidential candidacy this evening. Does he just not like money or something?
Banned for wrong thread.
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Banned for wrong thread.
What now?
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Beaker for President
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freak you Badger.
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Just popped in to say this election might be worse than the last 2. Politics freaking sucks
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Just popped in to say this election might be worse than the last 2. Politics freaking sucks
I think it's because you're getting older. I give less and less of a excrement each election cycle.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/05/27/jeb-bushs-claim-that-islamic-state-didnt-exist-when-my-brother-was-president/
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I'm not trying to pile on Jeb but this quote is perfect:
"You simply cannot be a leader of the Republican Party without appearing to know less than a fifth grader about earth science."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/29/opinion/the-arrogance-of-jeb-bush.html
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I'm not trying to pile on Jeb but this quote is perfect:
"You simply cannot be a leader of the Republican Party without appearing to know less than a fifth grader about earth science."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/29/opinion/the-arrogance-of-jeb-bush.html
As a person who teaches the subject, it's pretty damn hard to know that little, but my god politicians can be retarded.
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The best options this time around are both insane, but I love them both for different reasons.
Paul and Sanders.
Neither has a chance, so I'll just vote for the first female president. Honestly, whatever at this point.
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The best options this time around are both insane, but I love them both for different reasons.
Paul and Sanders.
Neither has a chance, so I'll just vote for the first female president.
This post gave me AIDS.
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Jeb Bush has officially entered the race.
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Jeb Bush has officially entered the race.
Who hasn't?
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Who hasn't?
I'm not announcing until Friday
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Who hasn't?
The only 'viable' rep that hasn't declared yet is Walker.
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(https://gilmanpark.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/trump-combover.png)
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This post gave me AIDS.
Ditto
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Who hasn't?
Chris Christie?
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Chris Christie?
Any minute now.
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I honestly don't even care who becomes the next president as long as it's not Hilary Clinton. She has a very punchable queynte.
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I honestly don't even care who becomes the next president as long as it's not Hilary Clinton. She has a very punchable queynte.
Lincoln Chafee might actually be retarded. I decided this the first time I heard him speak and I have yet to hear anything to change my mind.
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I honestly don't even care who becomes the next president as long as it's not Hilary Clinton. She has a very punchable queynte.
It baffles me that anyone wants her in the White House.
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It baffles me that anyone wants her in the White House.
I just don't see any republican winning. The economy is improving, and if it continues then the republicans have no shot. I don't think people are compelled to make a change unless there's a reason. Though I do think that younger people won't be as involved this time around especially since Obama didn't turn out to be the "hope and change" they all thought he'd be. I think he proved to everyone that politicians are just that: politicians.
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I just don't see any republican winning. The economy is improving, and if it continues then the republicans have no shot. I don't think people are compelled to make a change unless there's a reason. Though I do think that younger people won't be as involved this time around especially since Obama didn't turn out to be the "hope and change" they all thought he'd be. I think he proved to everyone that politicians are just that: politicians.
Bernie Sanders is already creating some youth swell.
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Bernie Sanders is already creating some youth swell.
He needs a lot more than what he's getting, though. He just doesn't have the money and ground support to sustain a campaign against Clinton's machine with how far behind he is in polling.
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I just don't see any republican winning. The economy is improving, and if it continues then the republicans have no shot. I don't think people are compelled to make a change unless there's a reason. Though I do think that younger people won't be as involved this time around especially since Obama didn't turn out to be the "hope and change" they all thought he'd be. I think he proved to everyone that politicians are just that: politicians.
Well healthcare reform has been nothing short of an absolute disaster.
That's probably the biggest thing the right has going for them.
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Well healthcare reform has been nothing short of an absolute disaster.
That's probably the biggest thing the right has going for them.
They're going to have to come up with a better suggestion than "repeal Obamacare".
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They're going to have to come up with a better suggestion than "repeal Obamacare".
Telemedicine to decrease cost and increase access
BAM
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Telemedicine to decrease cost and increase access
BAM
That should create a lot of jobs in Mumbai.
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That should create a lot of jobs in Mumbai.
Nobody in the government is creating MDs and NPs
Need healthcare professionals this is a way to get them.
Tort reform would be nice too
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The majority of voters already have decent healthcare so that's not an issue that will win an election.
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Obama care is not good but it's a step in the right direction. My employer should have nothing to do with my health. As it is now I pay almost 300 a month just to prevent a 6 figure bill for going to the ER for basically anything.
The insurance and health care industries are freaking conniving salesman.
Edit: Salesman is a bad term but the hospitals/doctors just make up prices (100 dollars for an aspirin) and insurance companies decide to cover 10% of it until they come to some bullshit compromise
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I don't subscribe to the "health care is not a right" bullshit. People shouldn't be denied care because they don't have the money. I'm sure there's some way to make everyone happy. Basic care for free, and premium care at a cost. Something like that.
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I don't subscribe to the "health care is not a right" bullshit. People shouldn't be denied care because they don't have the money. I'm sure there's some way to make everyone happy. Basic care for free, and premium care at a cost. Something like that.
I agree there. I'm a relatively healthy guy, never have to go to the doctor or hospital for anything. It just scares me that at any moment I can get into a car accident and leave the hospital with a 500k medical bill. It's the perfect business.. what are you supposed to do, decline medical assistance and choose to die or live crippled?
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I agree there. I'm a relatively healthy guy, never have to go to the doctor or hospital for anything. It just scares me that at any moment I can get into a car accident and leave the hospital with a 500k medical bill. It's the perfect business.. what are you supposed to do, decline medical assistance and choose to die or live crippled?
Don't be a fag, get a wheelchair!
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I agree there. I'm a relatively healthy guy, never have to go to the doctor or hospital for anything. It just scares me that at any moment I can get into a car accident and leave the hospital with a 500k medical bill. It's the perfect business.. what are you supposed to do, decline medical assistance and choose to die or live crippled?
The crazy thing is that our system helped develop all these medications that are used worldwide. The big pharma companies don't make their money selling to countries with public health care plans, but to the U.S. Our shitty system helped breed innovation and billions in medical research that made medicine as effective as it is today. Take the biggest market off the market and all of a sudden these companies will become far less profitable. Less profits mean less for research and development. That goes for all pharma companies worldwide. I guess it's a trade off. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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I don't subscribe to the "health care is not a right" bullshit. People shouldn't be denied care because they don't have the money. I'm sure there's some way to make everyone happy. Basic care for free, and premium care at a cost. Something like that.
I've been saying for as long as I can remember that my belief is that a basic package of healthcare should be standard for every single US citizen. To get a comprehensive plan with better options for hospital stays, primary care physicians, eye care, dental, prescription, etc. you should be able to buy into a healthcare plan like today's providers (or pay cash above the covered costs).
Basically expand Medicare to include everyone, and allow private providers to offer more above the baseline (just like supplemental Medicare). Everyone wins.
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I want to welcome all the Mexicans that are coming to this country to rape Donald Trump!
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I would be cool with them if they just starched that racoon on his head.
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I don't subscribe to the "health care is not a right" bullshit. People shouldn't be denied care because they don't have the money. I'm sure there's some way to make everyone happy. Basic care for free, and premium care at a cost. Something like that.
Exactly where I'm at. I'm also a fan of finding some system to incentivize preventive care. Some insurance companies have bonuses for gym use, which is a fantastic idea. Obviously I'm opposed to a 'fat tax', but surely there's a way to emphasize how important preventive care and healthy living are in the long term. I know I've said this before, but we simply don't have fat people in our community. Perhaps restrict what people are able to use foodstamps for. It's not like getting a freaking handout should let you buy whatever you damn well please.
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The crazy thing is that our system helped develop all these medications that are used worldwide. The big pharma companies don't make their money selling to countries with public health care plans, but to the U.S. Our shitty system helped breed innovation and billions in medical research that made medicine as effective as it is today. Take the biggest market off the market and all of a sudden these companies will become far less profitable. Less profits mean less for research and development. That goes for all pharma companies worldwide. I guess it's a trade off. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
And right there is the biggest issue. My brother works for Big Pharma, and while most of the people he represents are in favor of universal healthcare, there's a concern for R&D. Of course, removing some of the hoops these companies have to jump through would be good. We have some of the strictest laws and a massive approval procedure for drugs which makes it harder to make a profit on medication. Perhaps if you allow for broader trials and a less difficult path to market while extending the length of time a name brand medication has market exclusivity, you could still get the same level of innovation. Legalization of marijuana would be a plus as well. You could probably cut down some shitty drugs that way, like benzos for example.
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Perhaps restrict what people are able to use foodstamps for. It's not like getting a freaking handout should let you buy whatever you damn well please.
This comment would be a powder keg among some other places.
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This comment would be a powder keg among some other places.
It still might be if JE reads it
People should have the inalienable right to buy iPhones with their phone stamps
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OK, so even Tommy is in favor of single payer... Mind blown.
Basic preventive and true emergency care should be free, period. Everything in between you pay extra. Big Pharm still makes their money, and we get raped for a Z-Pack, but it's better for everyone.
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This comment would be a powder keg among some other places.
I'm in the food stamps for basic necessities and healthy food only camp.
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OK, so even Tommy is in favor of single payer... Mind blown.
Basic preventive and true emergency care should be free, period. Everything in between you pay extra. Big Pharm still makes their money, and we get raped for a Z-Pack, but it's better for everyone.
Like most things, it probably still shouldn't be run at the Federal level, though.
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OK, so even Tommy is in favor of single payer... Mind blown.
Basic preventive and true emergency care should be free, period. Everything in between you pay extra. Big Pharm still makes their money, and we get raped for a Z-Pack, but it's better for everyone.
Well nothing is "free" unless doctors are start gonna working for "free"
But then you'll have different issues still.
People won't want to go for basic or preventative care because they don't want to wait 5 hours to have someone take their blood pressure and say they're fine.
And true emergencies aren't "free" but hospitals won't deny you care in a true emergency. They pretty much have to take care of you
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Like most things, it probably still shouldn't be run at the Federal level, though.
We have 50 states... If you are from Jersey and get in an accident 10 miles away in Penn your coverage shouldn't change.
90% of everyone you know exists on this planet for greed. We need something to keep us from going all game of thrones. That just happens to be the government.
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Well nothing is "free" unless doctors are start gonna working for "free"
But then you'll have different issues still.
People won't want to go for basic or preventative care because they don't want to wait 5 hours to have someone take their blood pressure and say they're fine.
And true emergencies aren't "free" but hospitals won't deny you care in a true emergency. They pretty much have to take care of you
How many times were you dropped on your head as a baby?
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This comment would be a powder keg among some other places.
I don't see anyone complaining about WIC restrictions. It's just as important to promote the health of adults as it is pregnant women and children. Like I said, I don't support a fat tax, but when Pepsi, Coke, and Kraft are among the biggest members of the EBT lobby, there's a big problem.
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I don't see anyone complaining about WIC restrictions. It's just as important to promote the health of adults as it is pregnant women and children. Like I said, I don't support a fat tax, but when Pepsi, Coke, and Kraft are among the biggest members of the EBT lobby, there's a big problem.
We need to tax the excrement out of every company that is killing people.
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We have 50 states... If you are from Jersey and get in an accident 10 miles away in Penn your coverage shouldn't change.
90% of everyone you know exists on this planet for greed. We need something to keep us from going all game of thrones. That just happens to be the government.
I'm not suggesting there shouldn't be interstate oversight. I'm suggesting that there shouldn't be a single Federal bureau that oversees price negotiations, etc. Medicare is a wonderful idea that's poorly managed. I'd rather see state governments compete for contracts and manage their own budget in the way they best see fit. Some states will opt for higher property taxes to pay for the program, some income, some sales. Just the same way they manage their budgets now.
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It still might be if JE reads it
People should have the inalienable right to buy iPhones with their phone stamps
You're not intelligent enough to make presumptions about what I might think.
Of course there's a lot of sense to the idea that food stamps should only be valid for the purchase of healthier foods, but the lobby groups for the companies making billions of dollars from making the world fat and ill are way too powerful to allow that to happen. Anyway, I thought that there was already some degree of restriction on the use of food stamps?
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I'm not suggesting there shouldn't be interstate oversight. I'm suggesting that there shouldn't be a single Federal bureau that oversees price negotiations, etc. Medicare is a wonderful idea that's poorly managed. I'd rather see state governments compete for contracts and manage their own budget in the way they best see fit. Some states will opt for higher property taxes to pay for the program, some income, some sales. Just the same way they manage their budgets now.
It's too easy to get elected into state government. A handful of morons can do immense destruction. And the Koch brothers can just buy seats for said morons. The whole states theory can go freak itself to be entirely honest.
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It still might be if JE reads it
People should have the inalienable right to buy iPhones with their phone stamps
Where do you get this excrement?
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You're not intelligent enough to make presumptions about what I might think.
Of course there's a lot of sense to the idea that food stamps should only be valid for the purchase of healthier foods, but the lobby groups for the companies making billions of dollars from making the world fat and ill are way too powerful to allow that to happen. Anyway, I thought that there was already some degree of restriction on the use of food stamps?
Look who you quoted. No, you cannot buy an iPhone with food stamps.
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You're not intelligent enough to make presumptions about what I might think.
Of course there's a lot of sense to the idea that food stamps should only be valid for the purchase of healthier foods, but the lobby groups for the companies making billions of dollars from making the world fat and ill are way too powerful to allow that to happen. Anyway, I thought that there was already some degree of restriction on the use of food stamps?
There is, but only for SNAP purchases or regulation at the state level.
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Look who you quoted. No, you cannot buy an iPhone with food stamps.
He said phone stamps because he's a special kind of retard.
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I think state-level healthcare is a mistake. Would Kentucky be able to provide the same level of care for its citizens as New York? I don't believe that the federal government is some ultra-efficient intelligent hub that would do wonders with a national system, but financially it's more secure than a state-by-state system.
Either way I'd still want to see today's HMOs change into supplemental providers. That allows people to dictate the level of care they receive if they can afford better. It also makes healthcare into a true job perk again, rather than a necessity where you'll take whatever plan someone offers.
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I don't see anyone complaining about WIC restrictions. It's just as important to promote the health of adults as it is pregnant women and children. Like I said, I don't support a fat tax, but when Pepsi, Coke, and Kraft are among the biggest members of the EBT lobby, there's a big problem.
You've never seen the "how dare you try to tell people what they're allowed to buy" crowd?
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You've never seen the "how dare you try to tell people what they're allowed to buy" crowd?
Yeah, there are definitely people in that camp.
The dirty little secret of the whole "food stamp" business is that people who use EBT or whatever do use the benefits on what would generally be viewed as "acceptable" items like milk, eggs, or produce, etc. At the same time, they also work cash jobs where they pay no taxes, and that's where the money for the iPhones and such comes from.
I've seen it my whole life. As a kid I'd go to the store in my neighborhood to buy meat for dinner and I'd watch people in front of me in line with wads of cash pay for groceries with food stamps.
Just a couple of weeks ago I was in Walmart (what a misfortune that was) and there was a family in line in front of me. At first I thought it was two different families. Instead, it was the wife with a cart full of groceries that they paid for with EBT and then the father had a cart full of items he paid for in cash. If I were to guess his "profession" it would have been "landscaper."
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Foodstamps are a broken system not because of what people spend their money on, but because businesses like walmart get away with paying fulltime workers below livable wages, and they effectively get subsidized by the government to feed their own employees.
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Foodstamps are a broken system not because of what people spend their money on, but because businesses like walmart get away with paying fulltime workers below livable wages, and they effectively get subsidized by the government to feed their own employees.
And guess where the workers spend the food stamps, too? Walmart is huge on the food stamp lobby for both reasons.
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Foodstamps are a broken system not because of what people spend their money on, but because businesses like walmart get away with paying fulltime workers below livable wages, and they effectively get subsidized by the government to feed their own employees.
I'd rather see foodstamps go to people who have to work excrement jobs that don't pay dick, instead of the lazy freak who won't even get a job
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NY's SNAP program seems to have reasonable restrictions.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/hra/html/services/snap_applying.shtml
I guess they could drop snack food but I'm not losing any sleep over it.
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^You could spend it all on candy, though. If the government is paying for it, it ought to be serving the purpose of providing actual good sustenance.
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Make fried chicken ineligible and watch the world burn
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Make fried chicken ineligible and watch the world burn
It already is. No food prepared in store for immediate consumption.
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Foodstamps are a broken system not because of what people spend their money on, but because businesses like walmart get away with paying fulltime workers below livable wages, and they effectively get subsidized by the government to feed their own employees.
Sorry I have to respond here. Walmart isn't "getting away" with anything. A Walmart job isn't supposed to provide for a family.
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Sorry I have to respond here. Walmart isn't "getting away" with anything. A Walmart job isn't supposed to provide for a family.
Shouldn't full time employment in a two earner household be enough to support a family? That's $30k for a pair of Walmart employees. Or $50k for grocery stores. Or $80 to 100k plus benefits for Costco or Trader Joe's (the latter of which is not a members only store.
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Shouldn't full time employment in a two earner household be enough to support a family? That's $30k for a pair of Walmart employees. Or $50k for grocery stores. Or $80 to 100k plus benefits for Costco or Trader Joe's (the latter of which is not a members only store.
Depends on your definition of "support"
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And then hell froze over...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/lindsey-graham-confederate-flag-come-down/index.html
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And then hell froze over...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/lindsey-graham-confederate-flag-come-down/index.html
Ride the wave!
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Sorry I have to respond here. Walmart isn't "getting away" with anything. A Walmart job isn't supposed to provide for a family.
Your tax dollars give the workers their food stamps for groceries, rather than their wages. Wouldn't you like Walmart to pay them a little more so that your tax dollars and your government could spend that money on something else?
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Your tax dollars give the workers their food stamps for groceries, rather than their wages. Wouldn't you like Walmart to pay them a little more so that your tax dollars and your government could spend that money on something else?
Tax break incentives for companies to raise hourly salaries? Sure, I'd be down for that. But this idea that companies have some sort of responsibility to help people provide for their families is nonsense. They pay minimum wage because that's the level of talent they need to fill in open jobs. If a guy working at Walmart doesn't make enough to support his family, why is the blame on Walmart and not the guy?
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Tax break incentives for companies to raise hourly salaries? Sure, I'd be down for that. But this idea that companies have some sort of responsibility to help people provide for their families is nonsense. They pay minimum wage because that's the level of talent they need to fill in open jobs. If a guy working at Walmart doesn't make enough to support his family, why is the blame on Walmart and not the guy?
If companies aren't here for people to support themselves, let alone a family, then are they here for a modern version of indentured servitude?
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If companies aren't here for people to support themselves, let alone a family, then are they here for a modern version of indentured servitude?
Uh no. You aren't forced to work for any of these companies. You also don't have to start a family unless you're properly able to support them.
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Uh no. You aren't forced to work for any of these companies. You also don't have to start a family unless you're properly able to support them.
Come on most parents have kids at the time of their lives where they are arguably earning the least amount of money in their careers.
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Tax break incentives for companies to raise hourly salaries? Sure, I'd be down for that. But this idea that companies have some sort of responsibility to help people provide for their families is nonsense. They pay minimum wage because that's the level of talent they need to fill in open jobs. If a guy working at Walmart doesn't make enough to support his family, why is the blame on Walmart and not the guy?
You avoided his question... Who should pay for their food? You and I, or the place where they work full time? I'm not a billion dollar corporation, so I vote for the place that they work.
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You avoided his question... Who should pay for their food? You and I, or the place where they work full time? I'm not a billion dollar corporation, so I vote for the place that they work.
You miss Tommy's point, which is presumably that if they can't earn enough to buy food working at Wal-Mart they should take one of the multitude of other much higher-paying jobs available to them.
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You've never seen the "how dare you try to tell people what they're allowed to buy" crowd?
I thought that was generally focused on restrictions food for everyone. freak anyone who says the government can't put restrictions on food its paying for. Do soldiers get to order whatever the freak they want on the government's dime?
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You avoided his question... Who should pay for their food? You and I, or the place where they work full time? I'm not a billion dollar corporation, so I vote for the place that they work.
So what are we saying? Increase the minimum wage and then get rid of all social welfare programs?
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So what are we saying? Increase the minimum wage and then get rid of all social welfare programs?
Stop using my tax dollars to subsidize Walmart's workforce. That is all that I'm saying.
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So what are we saying? Increase the minimum wage and then get rid of all social welfare programs?
Increasing the minimum wage would allow social welfare money to be used for something other than subsidising corporate profits, which seems like a good idea.
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So what are we saying? Increase the minimum wage and then get rid of all social welfare programs?
Why is it one or the other, and not a balanced system of both?
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Uh no. You aren't forced to work for any of these companies. You also don't have to start a family unless you're properly able to support them.
Are we going to go back to the time you said we should have forced sterilization for the poor?
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Stop using my tax dollars to subsidize Walmart's workforce. That is all that I'm saying.
Increasing the minimum wage would allow social welfare money to be used for something other than subsidising corporate profits, which seems like a good idea.
And we've come full circle.
Good job, folks.
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Your tax dollars give the workers their food stamps for groceries, rather than their wages. Wouldn't you like Walmart to pay them a little more so that your tax dollars and your government could spend that money on something else?
Except if Walmart and elsewhere paid them a little more you'd have more people completely unemployed.
So gains one place would be lost elsewhere
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/bernie-sanders-give-hilary-clinton-run-money/
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Except if Walmart and elsewhere paid them a little more you'd have more people completely unemployed.
So gains one place would be lost elsewhere
You keep spewing this in the face of all available documented evidence. Repetition doesn't make for reality.
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You keep spewing this in the face of all available documented evidence. Repetition doesn't make for reality.
So there's no evidence that if expenses go up, that a business will find a way to cut cost?
Who knew
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So there's no evidence that if expenses go up, that a business will find a way to cut cost?
Who knew
Stop. You're either too dumb or too ignorant to play this game.
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Stop. You're either too dumb or too ignorant to play this game.
So you have evidence that if costs go up, that money will magically just appear?
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So you have evidence that if costs go up, that money will magically just appear?
No. Silly boy. You're thinking with dogma instead of a) simple economic principles, and b) documented evidence of other market environments.
I'm not going to do your thinking for you, you'll have to figure it out on your own. Start by thinking about who Wal-Mart's customers are, and what a rise in the minimum wage would do for them. Figure the rest out on your own. Or don't, I don't care.
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DCM mode engaged:
If Walmart raised prices in 2003, would Dwayne Robertson have a job?
"Can't nobody greet me"
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No. Silly boy. You're thinking with dogma instead of a) simple economic principles, and b) documented evidence of other market environments.
I'm not going to do your thinking for you, you'll have to figure it out on your own. Start by thinking about who Wal-Mart's customers are, and what a rise in the minimum wage would do for them. Figure the rest out on your own. Or don't, I don't care.
Simple economic principles like... Elasticity?
http://elearning.la.psu.edu/econ/315/lesson-4/elasticity-of-labor-demand
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Increasing the minimum wage would allow social welfare money to be used for something other than subsidising corporate profits, which seems like a good idea.
No it won't. All it will do is cause inflation.
Corporations aren't dumb, if the average american has more money in their pocket then that means they have more money to spend. Fast food starts to increase in price, rent starts to increase in price, gas, etc.
Social Welfare isn't going anywhere. The lazy people in this world need a way to survive and trust me you want to give those people money, otherwise they have nothing to lose.
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No it won't. All it will do is cause inflations.
Corporations aren't dumb, if the average american has more money in their pocket than that means they have more money to spend. Fast food starts to increase in price, rent starts to increase in price, gas, etc.
Social Welfare isn't going anywhere. The lazy people in this world need a way to survive and trust me you want to give those people money, otherwise they have nothing to lose.
Shhh. Inflation doesn't exist in a welfare utopia.
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LOL inflation. Remember the starting point, where your taxes are currently subsidising the basic living needs of people working on minimum wage. Inflation dick. We're not even talking about giving people disposable or discretionary income yet, we're talking meeting basic freaking subsistence needs without government handouts despite working full time.
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LOL inflation. Remember the starting point, where your taxes are currently subsidising the basic living needs of people working on minimum wage. Inflation dick. We're not even talking about giving people disposable or discretionary income yet, we're talking meeting basic freaking subsistence needs without government handouts despite working full time.
No, the free market will incur inflation, and then 2008 will happen all over again. History proves this correct.
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I need 2008 to happen again so I can afford a house.
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Lol 2008 had nothing to do with inflation, and probably will not happen again.
Edit: In our lifetime.
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I need 2008 to happen again so I can afford a house.
Aye, fook.
I'm trying to scope out some housing here in North Jersey but to buy solo I'm going to have to drop 50k down payment. I'm not in a bad position either.. no debt, minimal expenses, decent job/salary, etc. I couldn't imagine the people on entry-level salaries with 6 figure student loan debt trying to buy a place.
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Inb4 Iggy complains about Silicon Valley market
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Inb4 Iggy complains about Silicon Valley market
Pfft. I live in LA, not Silicon Valley. If I want to buy a house at this point, I'll move to a different state.
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I couldn't imagine the people on entry-level salaries with 6 figure student loan debt trying to buy a place.
America, babbie
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Housing is still very much affordable in a lot of states. Living in a major city or metro area just makes it a lot more expensive.
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You can purchase a 1722 Sq ft 2-storey brand new home for $375k in my area.
(http://www.qualicodevelopments.ca/images/Plans/gallery/p_44_1.jpg)
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I need 2008 to happen again so I can afford a house.
Housing prices are still low as freak and the mortgage rate is around 2.5-3% the lowest any of us will ever see in our lives
With a 3% mortgage you can get a mansion in most (the ones most people don't want to live in) states (300k) or a medicore ish house in North East for 1k a month which I think is extremely reasonable and probably comparable to rent (if not cheaper)
Taxes might rape you in the derriere but you'll get a chunk of right offs as well
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Housing prices are still low as freak and the mortgage rate is around 2.5-3% the lowest any of us will ever see in our lives
With a 3% mortgage you can get a mansion in most (the ones most people don't want to live in) states (300k) or a medicore ish house in North East for 1k a month which I think is extremely reasonable and probably comparable to rent (if not cheaper)
Taxes might rape you in the derriere but you'll get a chunk of right offs as well
Except that when interest rates are four points higher in three years time, you're looking at the end of your fixed rate and your income hasn't progressed comparably you're going to be scratching your head figuring out how you're going to make ends meet.
What you're saying isn't wrong per se, but this is absolutely not the time to be extending your outgoings to the maximum because the cost of borrowing is only going to increase.
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No but it's the perfect time to lock in long term rates.
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No but it's the perfect time to lock in long term rates.
Sure, but what's the longest fix you're going to get on a mortgage? 4 or 5 years, at a guess. All I'm saying is, it's important that people don't say, "Hey, interest rates are low so I now can afford a mortgage on this place, let's go for it!" You need to figure out whether you can still afford it at 8%, because there's a possibility you might have to.
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Sure, but what's the longest fix you're going to get on a mortgage? 4 or 5 years, at a guess. All I'm saying is, it's important that people don't say, "Hey, interest rates are low so I now can afford a mortgage on this place, let's go for it!" You need to figure out whether you can still afford it at 8%, because there's a possibility you might have to.
(http://static.neatorama.com/imagesb/2012-12/07/hobbit-hole.jpg)
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Sure, but what's the longest fix you're going to get on a mortgage? 4 or 5 years, at a guess. All I'm saying is, it's important that people don't say, "Hey, interest rates are low so I now can afford a mortgage on this place, let's go for it!" You need to figure out whether you can still afford it at 8%, because there's a possibility you might have to.
15 or 30 years fixed JE. Pretty standard fare for as long as I've been alive. I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of mortgages are NOT variable rate.
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Sure, but what's the longest fix you're going to get on a mortgage? 4 or 5 years, at a guess. All I'm saying is, it's important that people don't say, "Hey, interest rates are low so I now can afford a mortgage on this place, let's go for it!" You need to figure out whether you can still afford it at 8%, because there's a possibility you might have to.
4 or 5 years for a car loan maybe. 15 or 30 years is the standard here for a home mortgage. You could also get an adjustable but why anyone would get an adjustable mortgage in this environment is beyond me. In fact any mortgage broker suggesting one for someone other than a complete investor looking to flip, is a criminal.
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Sure, but what's the longest fix you're going to get on a mortgage? 4 or 5 years, at a guess. All I'm saying is, it's important that people don't say, "Hey, interest rates are low so I now can afford a mortgage on this place, let's go for it!" You need to figure out whether you can still afford it at 8%, because there's a possibility you might have to.
30 years
I got a 30% fixed rate 3.0% mortgage, for the whole 30 years
For a 15 year I could've gotten like 2.53% fixed or something like that but I wasn't up for that
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Paid off in 8 years following a re-fi from 30 to 15! Life will soon be quite good! Then again, all of that money for house payments will just be further diverted into college funds.
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Paid off in 8 years following a re-fi from 30 to 15! Life will soon be quite good! Then again, all of that money for house payments will just be further diverted into college funds.
"HELL YE..............oh."
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I have no idea how people save enough to buy property. I spend almost every single penny I make.
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30 years
I got a 30% fixed rate 3.0% mortgage, for the whole 30 years
For a 15 year I could've gotten like 2.53% fixed or something like that but I wasn't up for that
freak. I had no idea you could get deals like that in the US, we're not allowed anything longer than a 5 year fix on an open mortgage.
In that case, if you're not on the property ladder now you should probably be doing everything you can to become so. Money isn't going to get that cheap again for a long time.
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I have no idea how people save enough to buy property. I spend almost every single penny I make.
I think you may have answered your own question.
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I have no idea how people save enough to buy property. I spend almost every single penny I make.
I knew you were all about the hookers and coke, but I always assumed you were pretty good with money.
Clearly I'm mistaken
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freak. I had no idea you could get deals like that in the US, we're not allowed anything longer than a 5 year fix on an open mortgage.
In that case, if you're not on the property ladder now you should probably be doing everything you can to become so. Money isn't going to get that cheap again for a long time.
excrement I just bought my first house, and I already want to get my second.
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I knew you were all about the hookers and coke, but I always assumed you were pretty good with money.
Clearly I'm mistaken
Nah. I have very little self control when it comes to money.
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Nah. I have very little self control when it comes to money.
Here's the thing, you're already paying a mortgage. You're just paying someone else's.
If you can't save it, you should find a way to borrow the deposit (within your means, obviously!) and get on the property ladder. Whether it be your parents, the bank or whatever, every month you pay rent you're just building up someone else's equity.
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Nah. I have very little self control when it comes to money.
You just need to hire a hooker that consistently no-shows despite being pre-paid. This hooker should be named "Savings" and should only accept payments made as a deposit to "Tommy".
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Lol 2008 had nothing to do with inflation, and probably will not happen again.
Did we address the issues that caused it? Honest question.
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Did we address the issues that caused it? Honest question.
From a government/legislation standpoint?
Not really from that standpoint, just that they, the banks and general lending institutions, have made loans infinitely more difficult to obtain. Plus they have significantly curtailed the packaging of loans into collateralized debt obligations, the instruments that really caused the demise of everything.
This country has moved rather quickly from a house owning to a house renting economy. That's really helped the hedge funds, leveraged buyout and private equity companys which are snatching up foreclosure's at a record pace.
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I have no idea how people save enough to buy property. I spend almost every single penny I make.
You have way more in common with black people than you think
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You have way more in common with black people than you think
He's black from the waist up, unlike some of us where that's the opposite.
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You have way more in common with black people than you think
Get your flags before everyone stops selling them. Jesus freak dude.
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Bobby Jindal entered the Presidential race today.
Also, Woody Johnson has become the finance manager for Jeb Bush's campaign.
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Bobby Jindal entered the Presidential race today.
Also, Woody Johnson has become the finance manager for Jeb Bush's campaign.
Bobby Jindal looks like Manish Mehta.
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Get your flags before everyone stops selling them. Jesus freak dude.
Yeah, glad they took care of that. Finally, no more shootings.
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Yeah, glad they took care of that. Finally, no more shootings.
lol
nice
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Jindal is better than the joke candidates like Carson, Trump, Fiorina and Santorum at least.
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Jindal is better than the joke candidates like Carson, Trump, Fiorina and Santorum at least.
I'd probably vote for him before another Bush or Clinton.
I'm fairly sure I'll be going 3rd party again since they can call NY for the Democrat now.
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Funny how no one ever talks about him being a minority. I guess being a minority candidate doesn't count if you're not a democrat.
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Funny how no one ever talks about him being a minority. I guess being a minority candidate doesn't count if you're not a democrat.
What do you mean?
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What do you mean?
If he were a Democrat, the fact that he's a minority would be celebrated in the media and elsewhere.
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If he were a Democrat, the fact that he's a minority would be celebrated in the media and elsewhere.
Maybe we just read different media outlets then, but the stories that I have seen over the last few weeks have been largely a) praising the GOP for producing the most ethnically diverse range of candidates for any primary ever (Carson, Cruz, Rubio and now Jindal), and b) asking whether Republican policies actually work for minority voters or if this is just a case of trying to appeal to them on a superficial level. Both of those seem like reasonable stories.
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If he were a Democrat, the fact that he's a minority would be celebrated in the media and elsewhere.
Adding to what JE said, those of us who don't feel any strong allegiance to either party tend to see the drastic change from all old white guys to our current crop of racially diverse GOP candidates a bit cynically.
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I think you guys are just caught up in the propoganda from the Democratic Party that their side is for the poor disadvantaged minorities and the right favors the white majority elite. For the most part people buy into the bullshit because they feel that social programs are inherently a minority issue for some reason. Democrats also seem to be the only ones lumping minorities into their own special group. I'd say appealing to them as a whole as if they should all vote the same is more racist than anything the right does.
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What do you mean?
Non-white conservatives are basically considered race traitors.
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I think you guys are just caught up in the propoganda from the Democratic Party that their side is for the poor disadvantaged minorities and the right favors the white majority elite. For the most part people buy into the bullshit because they feel that social programs are inherently a minority issue for some reason. Democrats also seem to be the only ones lumping minorities into their own special group. I'd say appealing to them as a whole as if they should all vote the same is more racist than anything the right does.
So you're saying that the reason that minorities overwhelmingly vote Democrat is because of Democratic propaganda? The logical extension of that must be then that you think they're too dumb to look at policies in their own right and determine who best represents their interest, but the Democrats are the racists? Gotcha.
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I think you guys are just caught up in the propoganda from the Democratic Party that their side is for the poor disadvantaged minorities and the right favors the white majority elite. For the most part people buy into the bullshit because they feel that social programs are inherently a minority issue for some reason. Democrats also seem to be the only ones lumping minorities into their own special group. I'd say appealing to them as a whole as if they should all vote the same is more racist than anything the right does.
What the freak are you talking about? Both sides appeal to rich white billionaires. My anarchist propaganda told me that.
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I think you guys are just caught up in the propoganda from the Democratic Party that their side is for the poor disadvantaged minorities and the right favors the white majority elite. For the most part people buy into the bullshit because they feel that social programs are inherently a minority issue for some reason. Democrats also seem to be the only ones lumping minorities into their own special group. I'd say appealing to them as a whole as if they should all vote the same is more racist than anything the right does.
There is so much completely wrong about this. People like 'us guys' are middle class white guys. I prefer liberal policies regardless of color. Republicans are the ones that forget that a higher % of white people by population are on welfare. Well, not forget, they just don't care. Republicans cannot appeal to minorities because their policies disenfranchise minorities specifically and without remorse.
Pretending that the republican party is all inclusive is just that, pretending. Just because they trot out some minorities that don't stand a chance doesn't change anything.
And Jindal is a freaking joke too.
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So you're saying that the reason that minorities overwhelmingly vote Democrat is because of Democratic propaganda? The logical extension of that must be then that you think they're too dumb to look at policies in their own right and determine who best represents their interest, but the Democrats are the racists? Gotcha.
Well, a lot of them don't because of those historical ties and that the Democrats keep pandering to them as if they all make up their minds collectively. What policies even appeal to minorities anyway? What exactly are pro-black, pro-Asian, pro-Hispanic policies? There's no such thing. Democrats will have you think so. This is why black republicans get slammed by black democrats, some even being called "uncle toms". It's sad really.
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There is so much completely wrong about this. People like 'us guys' are middle class white guys. I prefer liberal policies regardless of color. Republicans are the ones that forget that a higher % of white people by population are on welfare. Well, not forget, they just don't care. Republicans cannot appeal to minorities because their policies disenfranchise minorities specifically and without remorse.
Pretending that the republican party is all inclusive is just that, pretending. Just because they trot out some minorities that don't stand a chance doesn't change anything.
And Jindal is a freaking joke too.
What policies disenfranchise minorities? You're just repeating the same old tired democratic talking point. Give me some examples of republican policies that are bad for minorities.
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What policies disenfranchise minorities? You're just repeating the same old tired democratic talking point. Give me some examples of republican policies that are bad for minorities.
The Koch brothers (among other old white guys) knew that there isn't going to be a republican president for some time. So instead they bought seats in state congresses. With said seats, and with the help of 5 republicans in the supreme court, they gerrymandered districts which lead directly to unprecedented republican gains in the senate and the house.
The gerrymandering they did (dont even get me started on voter suppression) was specifically meant to make urban minority votes count less than rural white votes.
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Well, a lot of them don't because of those historical ties and that the Democrats keep pandering to them as if they all make up their minds collectively.
Well, do they or don't they? You're complaining about the Democrats positioning the GOP as being anti-minority. Either you're saying that minorities vote collectively on the basis of this supposed Democrat message and are therefore presumably not clever enough to evaluate policy positions on their own, or you do believe that minority voters can make up their own minds and yet still vote en masse for the Democrats.
What policies even appeal to minorities anyway? What exactly are pro-black, pro-Asian, pro-Hispanic policies? There's no such thing. Democrats will have you think so.
Oh, OK. You answered the question here. There are no policies that favour or discriminate against minorities, but they can't see that and just suck up the Democratic messaging. You don't actually think they're clever enough to see through that the way that you can.
This is why black republicans get slammed by black democrats, some even being called "uncle toms". It's sad really.
But apparently there are a few smart enough to see through that devilish spin doctoring. Just a few though. Good to hear.
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The Koch brothers (among other old white guys) knew that there isn't going to be a republican president for some time. So instead they bought seats in state congresses. With said seats, and with the help of 5 republicans in the supreme court, they gerrymandered districts which lead directly to unprecedented republican gains in the senate and the house.
The gerrymandering they did (dont even get me started on voter suppression) was specifically meant to make urban minority votes count less than rural white votes.
Gerrymandering isn't specifically anti-minority, it's just a standard bullshit political move. Their votes don't "count less" it just means that their vote will be counted in a different district. You're just taking one thing and calling it another.
I want to know what specific policies that republicans run on that are anti-minority. Gerrymandering is a tactic, not a policy. You can't name me any policies that are anti-minority.
If you said that republican policies are anti-gay, there'd be some truth since the majority are for state rights to choose whether or not gay people should marry. But anti-minority? You're not going to find anything.
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Well, do they or don't they? You're complaining about the Democrats positioning the GOP as being anti-minority. Either you're saying that minorities vote collectively on the basis of this supposed Democrat message and are therefore presumably not clever enough to evaluate policy positions on their own, or you do believe that minority voters can make up their own minds and yet still vote en masse for the Democrats.
Oh, OK. You answered the question here. There are no policies that favour or discriminate against minorities, but they can't see that and just suck up the Democratic messaging. You don't actually think they're clever enough to see through that the way that you can.
But apparently there are a few smart enough to see through that devilish spin doctoring. Just a few though. Good to hear.
It's the poor that gets used the most in politics. Some local politicians prey on the sensibilities of poor white people and get them to vote republican, while local democratic leaders in urban black areas do the exact same. You just see it more with African Americans since the majority of them live in poor urban areas that have been run by democrats for decades.
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Gerrymandering isn't specifically anti-minority, it's just a standard bullshit political move. Their votes don't "count less" it just means that their vote will be counted in a different district. You're just taking one thing and calling it another.
I want to know what specific policies that republicans run on that are anti-minority. Gerrymandering is a tactic, not a policy. You can't name me any policies that are anti-minority.
If you said that republican policies are anti-gay, there'd be some truth since the majority are for state rights to choose whether or not gay people should marry. But anti-minority? You're not going to find anything.
Please don't bother arguing semantics with me. Call it policy or tactics, whatever makes you feel better.
If you craft a district so that 100K people get one congressman while 10K get one congressman the next district over... Obviously someone's vote counts more.
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It's the poor that gets used the most in politics. Some local politicians prey on the sensibilities of poor white people and get them to vote republican, while local democratic leaders in urban black areas do the exact same. You just see it more with African Americans since the majority of them live in poor urban areas that have been run by democrats for decades.
No. You keep avoiding the question. Why do minorities vote en masse for the Democrats if the policy difference you claim doesn't exist, doesn't exist? Are you saying that they're not smart enough to see through the messaging and understand policies for themselves, the way that you can?
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And Jindal is a freaking joke too.
My bad, I forgot all republicans are evil and stupid.
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No. You keep avoiding the question. Why do minorities vote en masse for the Democrats if the policy difference you claim doesn't exist, doesn't exist? Are you saying that they're not smart enough to see through the messaging and understand policies for themselves, the way that you can?
The fact that neither of us can explain why should tell you that something else is at play. Anti-social programs isn't anti-black anymore than anti-illegal immigration is anti-Hispanic, but that's the narrative coming from the Democratic Party.
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My bad, I forgot all republicans are evil and stupid.
I never said they were all stupid.
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The phrase "bad for minorities" has been used so many times in this thread and it's hilarious.
East Asians? Jews? Indians? Cubans? Brazilians?
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Just wanted to point out that whites will be the minority by 2045. Can't wait to reap the benefits of all those juicy govt programs. Carry on.
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The fact that neither of us can explain why should tell you that something else is at play. Anti-social programs isn't anti-black anymore than anti-illegal immigration is anti-Hispanic, but that's the narrative coming from the Democratic Party.
Just pointing that out is bad for minorities.
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I want to know what specific policies that republicans run on that are anti-minority. Gerrymandering is a tactic, not a policy. You can't name me any policies that are anti-minority.
Ronald Reagan.
Nixon too, but he hated everyone. Jews, Micks, Krouts, Guinneys. Eveyone.
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Ronald Reagan.
Nixon too, but he hated everyone. Jews, Micks, Krouts, Guinneys. Eveyone.
You're just spewing the same talking point nonsense, and proving that you're every bit a sheep as the God fearing rednecks that you criticize.
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You're just spewing the same talking point nonsense, and proving that you're every bit a sheep as the God fearing rednecks that you criticize.
Voter ID laws. Sit down.
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Voter ID laws. Sit down.
How is that anti-minority? Is there something inherent about minorities that prevents them from getting an ID?
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How is that anti-minority? Is there something inherent about minorities that prevents them from getting an ID?
freaking Google it you poopchute.
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freaking Google it you poopchute.
Sorry, bud. That isn't an anti-minority policy. "Don't vote Republican! They'll make you have to show ID in order to vote!"
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You're just spewing the same talking point nonsense, and proving that you're every bit a sheep as the God fearing rednecks that you criticize.
I'm a sheep and you think voter ID laws aren't suppressing the minority vote.
Roger Ailles loves you.
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I'm a sheep and you think voter ID laws aren't suppressing the minority vote.
Roger Ailles loves you.
Holy excrement. Voter ID legislation isn't anti-minority unless you're suggesting that minorities are somehow less capable of getting fuckn IDs than others.
You're really grasping for straws if you're considering Voter ID laws as an anti-minority policy. If I have to explain to you why that's ridiculous then you really are a fuckn moron and a shill for the Democrats.
The fact of the matter is that you and others like you go on and on about how Republicans support "anti-minority" policies but can't fuckn define what the freak that even means, or provide valid examples.
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I've always thought Voter ID laws would naturally target the poor across all races, given that poor people who don't require ID to drive, etc don't want to pony up for an ID to vote. Studies seem to bear that out. They also, however, have shown that strict Voter ID laws result in lower voter turnout for young people and minorities (blacks and Hispanics in particular). While I don't know if you can claim the legislation is intrinsically anti-minority, I have to imagine the people crafting it are aware of the effect it has. It's hard to imagine a situation in which minorities aren't at least indirectly being targeted.
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Please don't bother arguing semantics with me. Call it policy or tactics, whatever makes you feel better.
If you craft a district so that 100K people get one congressman while 10K get one congressman the next district over... Obviously someone's vote counts more.
What...that's not even possible. Districts can vary by 5% of the average on either side, and that average is in the neighborhood of 700k.
It's silly for Tommy to claim gerrymandering isn't used almost entirely to reduce the political influence of minorities, though. More than silly.
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Like I said, both are political tactics for sure, but they're not racist policies in and of themselves. You can argue that conservative republican policies are anti-gay, but voter laws and gerrymandering being anti-minority? Come on.
And we're distracting from the main point. Voter ID laws aren't discouraging minorities from voting Republican. It was suggested that minorities vote Democrat because of all the anti-minority policies from the Republican Party. Gerrymandering and voter ID laws are political tactics to counter Democrats from hoarding the minority vote. Why the freak would an average minority with a job and ID care about voter ID laws, and why would he/she let that deter them from voting Republican?
Again, as I said. Voting against gay marriage? You can call that anti-gay. But show me one example of an anti-minority policy from the Republican Party that would make a minority voter think twice about voting for them.
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The fact that neither of us can explain why should tell you that something else is at play. Anti-social programs isn't anti-black anymore than anti-illegal immigration is anti-Hispanic, but that's the narrative coming from the Democratic Party.
Nope, sorry, you're not getting off that easily. Minorities overwhelmingly vote Democrat. This is a proven fact. Tell me why this is. Stop fudging and give me a reason.
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Nope, sorry, you're not getting off that easily. Minorities overwhelmingly vote Democrat. This is a proven fact. Tell me why this is. Stop fudging and give me a reason.
I can't give you a definitive reason, but it's likely a combination of history, income, and marketing. History, at least for African Americans. Income, for African Americans and Hispanics. Lower income earners tend to vote democrat, 60-40 in the last presidential election. And marketing because the democrats do a good job of making sure minorities continue to vote for them. It's easy to demonize the other side. A republican calls for increased border security, and the democratic challenger calls it anti-Hispanic. That's marketing. A republican calls for reforming social programs, and a democrat calls it an attack on the support system set up for poor African Americans, thus anti-black. More marketing.
It's actually pretty amusing. During the last election, I went on Twitter during the republican national convention to see what was being said, particularly from black users. I know it's a small sample size, but I saw a TON of complaints about how there isn't any blacks at the convention. A lot of "SMH" and calling the Republican Party racist for lack of black supporters.
Don't you see what's happened? The very fact that the Democratic Party has the black vote in their pocket perpetuates the stereotype that the Republican Party is anti-black. Democrats know exactly what they're doing. Oh and the Republicans do the exact same thing with poor rural whites who actually benefit from the social programs their elected officials are trying to reform. It's all marketing.
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But show me one example of an anti-minority policy from the Republican Party that would make a minority voter think twice about voting for them.
The war on drugs by Ronald Reagan
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The war on drugs by Ronald Reagan
How was that an anti-minority policy? Unless you're going to tell me that the drug trade is inherent to minorities, and an attack on drugs is an attack on minorities.
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How was that an anti-minority policy? Unless you're going to tell me that the drug trade is inherent to minorities, and an attack on drugs is an attack on minorities.
Black people love their weed.
Black people were put in jail, now they can't vote.
Gipper 1. Minorities, 0.
This post isn't racist at all.
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I'm a sheep and you think voter ID laws aren't suppressing the minority vote.
Roger Ailles loves you.
It's just willful ignorance.
Also republicans are significantly more likely to try and get rid of and oppose (or just not support/fight for) affirmative action policies. Obviously. Both historically and currently.
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Black people love their weed.
Black people were put in jail, now they can't vote.
Gipper 1. Minorities, 0.
This post isn't racist at all.
"Don't vote republican. They support policies that will have you arrested for dealing drugs. That's racist!"
Btw the Sentence Reform Act of 1984 that increased incarceration rates for drug charges was overwhelmingly supported by the Democrats: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/98-1984/h869
Oh! Did I spoil your fun?
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It's just willful ignorance.
Also republicans are significantly more likely to try and get rid of and oppose (or just not support/fight for) affirmative action policies. Obviously. Both historically and currently.
Because affirmative action is a form of legal discrimination?
This is the problem with these legacy social programs. Any attempt to reform them is automatically considered "racist". It's pathetic, and no good will ever come out of it.
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"Don't vote republican. They support policies that will have you arrested for dealing drugs. That's racist!"
Btw the Sentence Reform Act of 1984 that increased incarceration rates for drug charges was overwhelmingly supported by the Democrats: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/98-1984/h869
Oh! Did I spoil your fun?
No, trolling you is easy.
As for history, minorities voted republican for a long time, until they stopped promoting policies that helped their economic and social situations. Then they started voting democrat, because the dems started promoting policies that helped minorities and their economic and social situations.
That is the most 101, tl:dr version I can come up with.
Entire shades of human groups flipped their voting trends because the lawmakers flipped their policy making trends. Actually, I like this summary better, because it's just the right amount of racist.
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No, trolling you is easy.
As for history, minorities voted republican for a long time, until they stopped promoting policies that helped their economic and social situations. Then they started voting democrat, because the dems started promoting policies that helped minorities and their economic and social situations.
That is the most 101, tl:dr version I can come up with.
Entire shades of human groups flipped their voting trends because the lawmakers flipped their policy making trends. Actually, I like this summary better, because it's just the right amount of racist.
Did it really help their economic situation if they're still voting for the same exact policies... decades later?
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Because affirmative action is a form of legal discrimination?
This is the problem with these legacy social programs. Any attempt to reform them is automatically considered "racist". It's pathetic, and no good will ever come out of it.
Affirmative action, like an social pendulum, has swung too far one way. Have you seen UCLA? I'm not even kidding.
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Because affirmative action is a form of legal discrimination?
This is the problem with these legacy social programs. Any attempt to reform them is automatically considered "racist". It's pathetic, and no good will ever come out of it.
Affirmative action benefits minority voters. Republicans hate affirmative action. Why would minorities (who believe themselves to be historically fucked over by housing discrimnation policies) want to give up one small step toward catching up with the perceived bemefits of being white?
They don't vote dem cause of brainwashing, they vote dem cause of policies like affirmative action. Obviously.
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Did it really help their economic situation if they're still voting for the same exact policies... decades later?
Kinda shows you how fucked up American politics is. Nordic governments for life, yo.
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I can't give you a definitive reason, but it's likely a combination of history, income, and marketing. History, at least for African Americans.
Why? What history? I keep hearing how it was Democrats who loved slaves and Republicans who freed them. Surely African Americans love the GOP?
Income, for African Americans and Hispanics. Lower income earners tend to vote democrat, 60-40 in the last presidential election.
Why? That's not an explanation. Why do people who earn less tend to vote Democrat? Are you saying that the Republicans are more interested in rich people than poor people?
And marketing because the democrats do a good job of making sure minorities continue to vote for them.
Again, we're back to the question that YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED. Do I have to repeat it? I'm not sure how I can ask it more clearly.
Come on Tommy. Answer the freaking question.
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What's hysterical is this idea that minorities switched sides because of good marketing by the democrats. That's truly hilarious, because history says GTFO to that idea.
Jesus was black, so was Cleopatra, know your history.
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Affirmative action, like an social pendulum, has swung too far one way. Have you seen UCLA? I'm not even kidding.
What about UCLA? Affirmative Action was banned in the UC system almost 20 years ago. It still exists to some extent, but as soon as it was ended the population of Asian Americans skyrocketed and the percentage of Blacks and Hispanics dropped precipitously. Either 2006 or 2007 even had the "Infamous 96", when out of 5000 freshmen, only 96 were black. Asians outnumbered whites once affirmative action was killed off and still do. That's true for most UC campuses, although I'm guessing not true for Santa Barbara and Santa Cruz. I'd have to look.
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What's hysterical is this idea that minorities switched sides because of good marketing by the democrats. That's truly hilarious, because history says GTFO to that idea.
Jesus was black, so was Cleopatra, know your history.
Pretty much, although the truth is more complicated and part of it could fit in with that claim. They switched because the two periods of greatest upward mobility for blacks came with Democrats in the White House. They stayed there because the Democratic party specifically championed minority causes while all of the race hater southern Democrats fled the party for the Republicans. If you want to know why the Republican party became the party of anti-minority sentiment, look no further than Strom Thurmond and his ilk swapping parties from Dem to Dixie to Republican. All because LBJ and Kennedy championed black issues. In the case of LBJ, a lot of people will tell you that he took up the banner of Civil Rights because otherwise a Democrat from Texas was never going to gain national prominence and get himself into the White House. I can't very well dispute that factor.
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Oh, and Tommy, if gerrymandering wasn't racist, there would have been no need for the Voting Rights Act to address it as targeting racial groups, and that same Voting Rights Act wouldn't continue to be used today to overturn the gerrymandering of Congressional districts. It's precisely BECAUSE of racist intent that Tom DeLay's plans for Texas were partially derailed as unconstitutional.
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Like I said, both are political tactics for sure, but they're not racist policies in and of themselves. You can argue that conservative republican policies are anti-gay, but voter laws and gerrymandering being anti-minority? Come on.
And we're distracting from the main point. Voter ID laws aren't discouraging minorities from voting Republican. It was suggested that minorities vote Democrat because of all the anti-minority policies from the Republican Party. Gerrymandering and voter ID laws are political tactics to counter Democrats from hoarding the minority vote. Why the freak would an average minority with a job and ID care about voter ID laws, and why would he/she let that deter them from voting Republican?
Again, as I said. Voting against gay marriage? You can call that anti-gay. But show me one example of an anti-minority policy from the Republican Party that would make a minority voter think twice about voting for them.
The funny thing is anti-gay rhetoric is probably the biggest similarity between minorities and republicans. See California 2008.
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Oh, and Tommy, if gerrymandering wasn't racist, there would have been no need for the Voting Rights Act to address it as targeting racial groups, and that same Voting Rights Act wouldn't continue to be used today to overturn the gerrymandering of Congressional districts. It's precisely BECAUSE of racist intent that Tom DeLay's plans for Texas were partially derailed as unconstitutional.
Again it's not a policy of the Republican Party to deny black people the right to be represented. Gerrymandering is a tactic used to counter minorities voting overwhelmingly for the other side. How exactly can the Republican Party appeal to minorities when they're constantly being bashed for being "anti-minority" even though no one knows what that even means.
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Pretty much, although the truth is more complicated and part of it could fit in with that claim. They switched because the two periods of greatest upward mobility for blacks came with Democrats in the White House. They stayed there because the Democratic party specifically championed minority causes while all of the race hater southern Democrats fled the party for the Republicans. If you want to know why the Republican party became the party of anti-minority sentiment, look no further than Strom Thurmond and his ilk swapping parties from Dem to Dixie to Republican. All because LBJ and Kennedy championed black issues. In the case of LBJ, a lot of people will tell you that he took up the banner of Civil Rights because otherwise a Democrat from Texas was never going to gain national prominence and get himself into the White House. I can't very well dispute that factor.
That's all true, but it's been decades. What other issues are specifically "minority issues" nowadays? Social welfare programs can't be considered "minority issues" unless you're going to suggest that all minorities are better off on social welfare programs, etc. Again, being against social welfare programs isn't "anti-minority". But rhetoric from the Democratic party, which is being regurgitated by guys like Ndmick, says exactly that. That's largely part of the problem.
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Affirmative action benefits minority voters. Republicans hate affirmative action. Why would minorities (who believe themselves to be historically fucked over by housing discrimnation policies) want to give up one small step toward catching up with the perceived bemefits of being white?
They don't vote dem cause of brainwashing, they vote dem cause of policies like affirmative action. Obviously.
So you're suggesting that all African Americans want and need help? I think it's more condescending that the Democratic Party clings to the belief that African Americans need to have their hands held by the government in order succeed. Again, it hasn't done much in the way of changing the social mobility landscape, but it's a very effective talking point for the Democratic Party to keep poor minorities voting for them.
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How exactly can the Republican Party appeal to minorities when they're constantly being bashed for being "anti-minority" even though no one knows what that even means.
The can start by appealing to minorities.
Bush II told his party to start cozying up to the latino vote, and they laughed at him.
excrement, Barry Goldwater was the same way.
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The funny thing is anti-gay rhetoric is probably the biggest similarity between minorities and republicans. See California 2008.
Religion!
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That's all true
Yeah, but still.
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Why? What history? I keep hearing how it was Democrats who loved slaves and Republicans who freed them. Surely African Americans love the GOP?
Why? That's not an explanation. Why do people who earn less tend to vote Democrat? Are you saying that the Republicans are more interested in rich people than poor people?
Again, we're back to the question that YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED. Do I have to repeat it? I'm not sure how I can ask it more clearly.
Come on Tommy. Answer the freaking question.
Of course people who earn less will side with the Democrats. They offer promises of immediate solutions to their monetary issues. Forget long term job creation, but give me money now. And that's fine, they can vote however they want. Considering a greater majority of minorities are low income earners, it's no surprise that they vote Democrat. Add rhetoric from the Dems on top of that and they will continue to do so.
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The can start by appealing to minorities.
Bush II told his party to start cozying up to the latino vote, and they laughed at him.
excrement, Barry Goldwater was the same way.
Holy excrement. What. The. freak. Does. That. Even. Mean? How can you cozy up to a race of people. What issues mean the most to all black or all Latino voters?
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Of course people who earn less will side with the Democrats. They offer promises of immediate solutions to their monetary issues. Forget long term job creation, but give me money now. And that's fine, they can vote however they want. Considering a greater majority of minorities are low income earners, it's no surprise that they vote Democrat. Add rhetoric from the Dems on top of that and they will continue to do so.
OK, so you're saying that minorities overwhelmingly vote Democrat because their policy positions appeal more to minority voters. Good. I agree.
So why are you complaining that the Democrats paint the Republicans as being less minority-friendly, when minority voters clearly agree? Either the issue is that the GOP positions don't reflect the needs of minority voters, or they're not very good at explaining to minority voters why they do, and both of those are Republican issues. Why are you painting the Democrats as the demons responsible for GOP failures?
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So you're suggesting that all African Americans want and need help? I think it's more condescending that the Democratic Party clings to the belief that African Americans need to have their hands held by the government in order succeed. Again, it hasn't done much in the way of changing the social mobility landscape, but it's a very effective talking point for the Democratic Party to keep poor minorities voting for them.
It's not about holding hands, it's about unwrapping chains. Free at last!
Mostly what I say about politics on here is tongue in cheek, because the political state of this country is a sad joke. But on a serious note, you bang the table with cookie cutter nonsense from the right on a consistent basis. The republicans are winning, but you don't seem to know that. They've been winning for decades.
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OK, so you're saying that minorities overwhelmingly vote Democrat because their policy positions appeal more to minority voters. Good. I agree.
So why are you complaining that the Democrats paint the Republicans as being less minority-friendly, when minority voters clearly agree? Either the issue is that the GOP positions don't reflect the needs of minority voters, or they're not very good at explaining to minority voters why they do, and both of those are Republican issues. Why are you painting the Democrats as the demons responsible for GOP failures?
Because when republicans don't go undefeated in their policies and social beliefs, they cry victim worse then Philadelphia Eagles fans.
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OK, so you're saying that minorities overwhelmingly vote Democrat because their policy positions appeal more to minority voters. Good. I agree.
So why are you complaining that the Democrats paint the Republicans as being less minority-friendly, when minority voters clearly agree? Either the issue is that the GOP positions don't reflect the needs of minority voters, or they're not very good at explaining to minority voters why they do, and both of those are Republican issues. Why are you painting the Democrats as the demons responsible for GOP failures?
Because the argument has moved from income to race, and it's hard to shake off that label. You can spin a low tax and less regulation policy and say that it will reap more benefits for poorer neighborhoods in the form of jobs in the long run, but once you call that policy "anti-minority", then it becomes much harder to get out of. The Democrats have done a great job of pushing that rhetoric through, and Republicans aren't trying hard enough to shake off that image. They've mostly given up. That's a big win for the Democrats.
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It's not about holding hands, it's about unwrapping chains. Free at last!
Mostly what I say about politics on here is tongue in cheek, because the political state of this country is a sad joke. But on a serious note, you bang the table with cookie cutter nonsense from the right on a consistent basis. The republicans are winning, but you don't seem to know that. They've been winning for decades.
I don't give a excrement about the party. I'd like to see the nation move away from tired old arguments and actually try and improve the lives of people. Poor urban areas have voted overwhelmingly for local democrats for decades and social mobility has been nonexistent. Maybe it's time they, you know, try something different for a change? And that ain't going to happen because everyone is so entrenched in their bullshit rhetoric.
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You're back on the "Democrats tell and black people do" rhetoric again despite having just said that minorities vote for the Democrats because of fiscal policies, not because of marketing. People don't vote with their skin colour, they vote with their pocketbook.
Minorities make up a disproportionate amount of the lower income households (not just in America, in pretty much every Western society). Of course they're going to vote for the party that says it's going to create policies to help poor people. That has nothing to do with marketing to race and everything to do with basic human behaviour.
You're blame shifting here. Republicans could fix this by making policy designed to help poor people more, or by explaining why their current policy already does, but it's easier to say "bad Democrats" than it is to say "what are Republicans doing wrong?".
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Again it's not a policy of the Republican Party to deny black people the right to be represented. Gerrymandering is a tactic used to counter minorities voting overwhelmingly for the other side. How exactly can the Republican Party appeal to minorities when they're constantly being bashed for being "anti-minority" even though no one knows what that even means.
It's illegal because it targets minorities. You can call it a policy or a tactic, anti-minority by nature or by practice, but it affects minorities negatively. You're arguing that the Republican Party can't possibly appeal to minorities because of labeling, so they undertake actions to reinforce that label.
You may not believe that the Republican Party as an entity is anti-minority. That's fine. However, even if one allows that to be true, you're faced with a pragmatic need for the Republican Party to alienate minorities. It's a matter of electoral necessity. A significant portion of the Republican Party's core constituency DOES hate minorities. I don't see how you can dispute that. For the Republican Party to take up minority issues, it would have to alienate that portion. As we've seen before, groups aren't afraid to splinter off into localized 3rd parties when necessary. They know they can carry local elections and at least make their position on their own critical issues known if need be. The Republican Party can't target the minority vote and find success as a party. So, they ignore certain groups instead. (And I hate the term minority vote as well given the different issues each group holds dear).
If we're speaking specifically about blacks, they vote Democrat primarily because the Democratic party actually takes the time to appeal to them and because the Democratic party legislates the way they'd like on the issues they care about. The party aligns with their interests. Regardless of whether you feel the Republican Party is anti-minority, it certainly doesn't appeal to Blacks, and there's simply no practical way for it to do so.
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That's all true, but it's been decades. What other issues are specifically "minority issues" nowadays? Social welfare programs can't be considered "minority issues" unless you're going to suggest that all minorities are better off on social welfare programs, etc. Again, being against social welfare programs isn't "anti-minority". But rhetoric from the Democratic party, which is being regurgitated by guys like Ndmick, says exactly that. That's largely part of the problem.
No. I'm suggesting that blacks hold social welfare programs as a priority voting issue. Same with most wealthy Jewish voters. They certainly don't need social welfare programs, and yet those programs are of great interest to them.
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So you're suggesting that all African Americans want and need help? I think it's more condescending that the Democratic Party clings to the belief that African Americans need to have their hands held by the government in order succeed. Again, it hasn't done much in the way of changing the social mobility landscape, but it's a very effective talking point for the Democratic Party to keep poor minorities voting for them.
Individual blacks don't need the government's assistance to succeed. Blacks as a whole absolutely need the government's help in order to overcome systemic racism. I know that's a point that you will never be willing to concede, but it's true. Of course, I also doubt that such an end will ever actually happen.
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Holy excrement. What. The. freak. Does. That. Even. Mean? How can you cozy up to a race of people. What issues mean the most to all black or all Latino voters?
Abortion is one, and it's a huge issue. The great irony is that more abortions would greatly benefit the country economically and save money from those social welfare programs, and yet it's Republicans constantly trying to make sure we birth allll the babies. Either way, a black woman is almost 3 times as likely to have an unwanted pregnancy than a white woman. Hispanic women are harder to quantify since they tend not to believe in abortion due to strong Catholic beliefs. I don't get why Hispanics haven't been better targeted by the Republican party given that they share the most similarity with poor whites. Oh right, race. Poor whites don't want to be aligned with Hispanics, and the Republicans don't want progressive immigration reform.
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Gov. Christie will announce his candidacy next week.
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Individual blacks don't need the government's assistance to succeed. Blacks as a whole absolutely need the government's help in order to overcome systemic racism. I know that's a point that you will never be willing to concede, but it's true. Of course, I also doubt that such an end will ever actually happen.
They need to redirect their focus to what successful minorities do.
Take care of each other and focus on education.
But there are systematic things that definitely need to be changed. The things we lock up people for are stupid. Drug possession, etc. and the fact justice can be bought.
I will say this. The fact that "Latins" need this or that is a retarded notion. Mexico,Honduras, and El Salvador do not constitute all of Latin America. just the lowest order.
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Gov. Christie will announce his candidacy next week.
I don't think he's a terrible governor but I could never take him seriously as a presidential candidate.
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I can't think of a single person I'd want as president. Can't we just skip having one for a term?
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I don't think he's a terrible governor but I could never take him seriously as a presidential candidate.
All anyone has to do is bust this out and it's over:
(http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/5570565569bedd43538e922a-480/ap412299277583.jpg)
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Didn't he get lap band surgery?
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Didn't he get lap band surgery?
I thought so. The band must have snapped. He should have gone to Rex's guy.
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All anyone has to do is bust this out and it's over:
(http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/5570565569bedd43538e922a-480/ap412299277583.jpg)
You're a Dodger fan, he looks like a white version of Fernando Valanzeula, whats' the big freaking deal?
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You're a Dodger fan, he looks like a white version of Fernando Valanzeula, whats' the big freaking deal?
Fernando was a lefty. Christie looks more like Ralph Kramden.
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Fernando was a lefty. Christie looks more like Ralph Kramden.
Same body type.
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Same body type.
(http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/78/92978-004-1ED0D0C9.jpg)
We report, you decide.
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More like this:
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(http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/fernando-valenzuela.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d6/7d/43/d67d4333c373e14236ba42dca68f64be.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7220/7297498548_50e7d39561.jpg)
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I remember Fernando as being fatter than he looks in most of these. Probably because he broke in when baseball players were skinny, before Barry Bonds went from JJ to a Macy's parade float.
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They need to redirect their focus to what successful minorities do.
Take care of each other and focus on education.
But there are systematic things that definitely need to be changed. The things we lock up people for are stupid. Drug possession, etc. and the fact justice can be bought.
I will say this. The fact that "Latins" need this or that is a retarded notion. Mexico,Honduras, and El Salvador do not constitute all of Latin America. just the lowest order.
No group has as difficult a time progressing as blacks do, largely because other groups have been able to use blacks as a stepping stone, setting themselves in opposition to gain broader respect from whites. Whether consciously or not, everyone operates under an unfair race system and secretly desires its continuation in some fashion. Like I said before, I don't think blacks will ever gain equality in this country. That doesn't mean we stop fighting for it, but it's important to take individual gains where you can. I just caution people against the presumption that because individual A was able to succeed, there's no reason why everyone can't.
I agree on the Latins front. The primary Latin group depends primarily on where you are in the country, but the closer and poorer countries will always send a disproportionate number of immigrants. I remember meeting my first Uruguayan immigrant. It's so damn rare. I know a few Brazilian, Argentinian, and Chilean, but that one was a first.
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No group has as difficult a time progressing as blacks do, largely because other groups have been able to use blacks as a stepping stone, setting themselves in opposition to gain broader respect from whites. Whether consciously or not, everyone operates under an unfair race system and secretly desires its continuation in some fashion. Like I said before, I don't think blacks will ever gain equality in this country. That doesn't mean we stop fighting for it, but it's important to take individual gains where you can. I just caution people against the presumption that because individual A was able to succeed, there's no reason why everyone can't.
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I agree on the Latins front. The primary Latin group depends primarily on where you are in the country, but the closer and poorer countries will always send a disproportionate number of immigrants. I remember meeting my first Uruguayan immigrant. It's so damn rare. I know a few Brazilian, Argentinian, and Chilean, but that one was a first.
and they most likely had money or at least decent middle class.
Only the rich south americans really come here for the most part.
Central america/mexico is a different story.
The area I live in is primarily Argentine and Uruguayan. They're very similar.
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You also can't really tell that they're Hispanic. The middle to upper class down there are almost always white.
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You also can't really tell that they're Hispanic. The middle to upper class down there are almost always white.
Yes. Spanish and Axis power blood (German, Italian, Japanese).
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You also can't really tell that they're Hispanic. The middle to upper class down there are almost always white.
That's because you don't have high mestizo populations there. And you get later migration. The places with heavy old school Maya and Aztec influences are in Central America. More densely populated native populations.
Brazil is the craziest since it was the number one largest slave population and the Portuguese largely controlled the slave trade. Brazilians can look like just about anything.
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That's because you don't have high mestizo populations there. And you get later migration. The places with heavy old school Maya and Aztec influences are in Central America. More densely populated native populations.
Brazil is the craziest since it was the number one largest slave population and the Portuguese largely controlled the slave trade. Brazilians can look like just about anything.
To take it one step further, the only 'white' South Americans come from Chile and Argentina. Almost all the middle to upper class are Spanish/German (Chile) or Spanish/Italian (Argentina), and whiter than me. Brazil is its own story. Everything central/northern SA has vastly more indigenous populations. Peru is just north of Chile, and they all are much darker with enormous mouths.
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I remember Fernando as being fatter than he looks in most of these. Probably because he broke in when baseball players were skinny, before Barry Bonds went from JJ to a Macy's parade float.
Quit honestly I always thought he was much fatter as well.
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http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417112956/hillary-clintons-three-word-gaffe-all-lives-matter
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To take it one step further, the only 'white' South Americans come from Chile and Argentina. Almost all the middle to upper class are Spanish/German (Chile) or Spanish/Italian (Argentina), and whiter than me. Brazil is its own story. Everything central/northern SA has vastly more indigenous populations. Peru is just north of Chile, and they all are much darker with enormous mouths.
No. Uruguay is the whitest country in South America.
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No. Uruguay is the whitest country in South America.
Fair enough. I forgot about North Argentina. Really doesn't change anything else I said though.
How much time have you spent in SA?
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Fair enough. I forgot about North Argentina. Really doesn't change anything else I said though.
How much time have you spent in SA?
A little less than 6 years.
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A little less than 6 years.
Cool. I love it down there (the southern half at least).
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http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417112956/hillary-clintons-three-word-gaffe-all-lives-matter
I don't like Hillary Clinton on any level.
But how the freak are white people supposed to feel when people get outraged because a politician says "all lives matter"
Oh freaking no, I guess only black lives matter
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I don't like Hillary Clinton on any level.
But how the freak are white people supposed to feel when people get outraged because a politician says "all lives matter"
Oh freaking no, I guess only black lives matter
It's why twitter is freaking gay.
All lives do matter, but some small minority of idiots used it as a response to black lives matter. So now it's deemed as slightly racist or hidden racism or whatever the freak is the hipster label of the month if anyone in the public sphere mistakenly utters all lives matter.
The reality is all lives do matter, but you have to watch what you say because hashtag freak you.
Also, Hilary is just as bad if not worse than any GOP candidate.
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My wife told me Bristol "abstinence is the only solution" Palin is knocked up again by whatever semen flew her way this week. I know it's off topic, but eat my balls.
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My wife told me Bristol "abstinence is the only solution" Palin is knocked up again by whatever semen flew her way this week. I know it's off topic, but eat my balls.
Are you sure you didn't mean to post this in the Misc Jets Tweets thread?
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Are you sure you didn't mean to post this in the Misc Jets Tweets thread?
I don't want Mr E to commit suicide again today.
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I don't want Mr E to commit suicide again today.
I commit suicide about 6 times a day (Monday-Friday)
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So only black lives matter? Wtf is the outrage? Holy excrement.
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So only black lives matter? Wtf is the outrage? Holy excrement.
It's hilarious. Read what NDMick wrote, though. This freaking world we live in. Idiots don't think about what a person means. They just think in catchphrases and hashtags. freak Clinton and the people she offended.
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Hashtagfuckyou
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Gay Marriage legalized............
My Ideal interview:
Interviewer: I don't know your policies/stance on the economy, health care, foreign policy, transportation infrastructure, jobs, I want to know how you feel on the really important issues of the day, where do you stand on Abortion and Gay Marriage?
Candidate: freak you!
That candidate would automatically get my vote.
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Ted Cruz effectively announcing the end of his campaign:
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/29/418398912/cruz-opposition-to-gay-marriage-will-be-front-and-center-in-2016-campaign
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What a punchable face.
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I just started getting emails from Ted Cruz. I can't for the life of me imagine why. I'm not a registered Republican and I have a brain.
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How can someone who looks so gay be so against gay marriage
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On one hand you have to admire that he's not just saying what everyone wants to hear as the political winds change *coughhillarycough* but he's got to be some sort of idiot to try and stand in the way of this.
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On one hand you have to admire that he's not just saying what everyone wants to hear as the political winds change *coughhillarycough* but he's got to be some sort of idiot to try and stand in the way of this.
Win over the conservative base in the primaries, track back to the middle for the general election. Not a terrible strategy - there are still a lot of people upset about the supreme court decision.
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Great another wasted thirty years, just like these fucktards still trying to overturn Roe v Wade. So happy all the resources these hateful scumbags are going to waste on this, all in the name of protecting the "sanctity of marriage".
When really it's because most of these conservatives or religious right, or whatever you want to designate them, secretly want to suck rooster and this ruling makes them scared they will be in their knees faster then Bojanglesman dreaming of taking one for the team.
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^ You know that whole "if you let them marry, then they'll freak kids next" line the uber religious idiots throw out when they talk about the gays? That comes from the desires of the clergy.
Religion is one big gay joke anyway. Bunch of guys who can't touch women in the name of god play dress-up with pink and purple robes, funny hats, and they get on stage and sing and dance and the get to gossip with people once a week by hearing their most inner terrible thoughts, actions, and desires in a big closet.
Praise the lord, girl!
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^ You know that whole "if you let them marry, then they'll freak kids next" line the uber religious idiots throw out when they talk about the gays? That comes from the desires of the clergy.
Religion is one big gay joke anyway. Bunch of guys who can't touch women in the name of god play dress-up with pink and purple robes, funny hats, and they get on stage and sing and dance and the get to gossip with people once a week by hearing their most inner terrible thoughts, actions, and desires in a big closet.
Praise the lord, girl!
Yeah they should make clergy bang a whore a night. This celibate stuff is bullshit. excrement if they allowed that Tommy would become a priest.
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Most Christian priests can marry anyway. It's only Catholic ones who are celebrate.
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Most Christian priests can marry anyway. It's only Catholic ones who are celebrate.
Is that what they do when they see a room full of alter boys and some sacramental wine?
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Is that what they do when they see a room full of alter boys and some sacramental wine?
Suffer the little children, come onto me.
....Wait, wait, wait. Sorry. that's not what jesus said...
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wat
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/07/08/googles-ai-had-nightmares-about-the-gop-presidential-candidates-this-is-what-it-saw/?tid=sm_fb
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wat
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/07/08/googles-ai-had-nightmares-about-the-gop-presidential-candidates-this-is-what-it-saw/?tid=sm_fb
Look up that Deep Dream thing with Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Can't post it from work. Will give you flashbacks.
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Apparently Donald Trump is secretly a Democrat who is attempting to sabotage the Republican push for the Presidency.
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/07/14/3680558/curbelo-trump-phantom-candidate/
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I thought the Trump conspiracy is that he is running so far right that all other GOP candidates look like centerists compared to him.
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Trump's hair stylist:
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http://www.today.com/pets/trumpyourcat-reveals-cats-donald-trump-hair-t31961
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/18/trump-slams-mccain-for-being-captured-in-vietnam/?tid=sm_fb
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HuffPo announced yesterday that stories about Trump's candidacy for the GOP nomination will no longer run in their Politics section, but will now be found under the Entertainment banner alongside stories about Kim Kardashian and Justin Bieber.
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Probably a good move.
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I'm gonna vote for him anyway, because freak politics. I want to see those debates.
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I'm mildly considering registering with a party to vote in the primaries. Mostly just to vote against Hillary.
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I hate every single candidate.
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Probably a good move.
It's funny, but they're effectively giving up on ever been taken even remotely seriously as a media outlet. Clearly Trump's an idiot and even the GOP aren't stupid enough to give him the nomination, and it's obvious that he has no intention of actually seeking it and just enjoys riding the publicity train it gives him, but it's still pretty cheap.
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It's funny, but they're effectively giving up on ever been taken even remotely seriously as a media outlet. Clearly Trump's an idiot and even the GOP aren't stupid enough to give him the nomination, and it's obvious that he has no intention of actually seeking it and just enjoys riding the publicity train it gives him, but it's still pretty cheap.
HuffPo hasn't been a serious media outlet in years. They're the liberal equivalent to the Daily Mail.
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^ that is correct
He's trolling the race for publicity. It's beautiful pageantry.
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I'm mildly considering registering with a party to vote in the primaries. Mostly just to vote against Hillary.
Bernie Sanders just to freak with the system.
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http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/07/25/3684164/case-for-donald-trump/
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http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/07/25/3684164/case-for-donald-trump/
Trump needs to freak off
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It's weird to me that Jeb wants to phase out Medicare when his brother was responsible for expanding it.
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It's weird to me that Jeb wants to phase out Medicare when his brother was responsible for expanding it.
I was reading an article about it. One of the quotes defending Medicare was that by 2040 it's projected to only cost equivalent to 6% of our gdp. I immediately thought "why the hell are people always comparing government spending against GDP?" It's irrelevant. They should compare it against actual government revenue. 6pct of today's GDP is nearly a trillion dollars. And lasts years tax revenues were $3 trillion.
Stop comparing government spending against GDP just to fit your shitty agenda.
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/where-the-presidential-candidates-stand-on-student-debt-2015-07-28?dist=countdown%3Fmod%3De2fb
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Rubio is closest to my feelings on that one, but I don't like the idea of outside businesses dealing with students on the matter. The idea of colleges granting an education for a fixed percent of a graduate's income for x number of years is something I've been in favor of for some time. Of course, the best way to fix the problem is to stop insisting everyone should go to college. Return vocational training, roll back requirements on jobs that should never require a college degree, and make apprenticeships a part of high school curriculum for kids on that track. The last thing I want to hear, though, is excrement about student loan forgiveness.
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Of course, the best way to fix the problem is to stop insisting everyone should go to college. Return vocational training, roll back requirements on jobs that should never require a college degree, and make apprenticeships a part of high school curriculum for kids on that track. The last thing I want to hear, though, is excrement about student loan forgiveness.
This is key. College tuition is at an all time high because there is so much damn demand for a college education nowadays. It also dilutes the value of a college education, so you have something that's gotten more expensive, yet less valuable. That doesn't make any sense. It's supposed to be an investment that pays off, not a burden that offers very little in return.
Debt forgiveness is unrealistic and entirely unfair. People like Elizabeth Warren need to shut the freak up about it.
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This is key. College tuition is at an all time high because there is so much damn demand for a college education nowadays. It also dilutes the value of a college education, so you have something that's gotten more expensive, yet less valuable. That doesn't make any sense. It's supposed to be an investment that pays off, not a burden that offers very little in return.
Debt forgiveness is unrealistic and entirely unfair. People like Elizabeth Warren need to shut the freak up about it.
Thanks for-profit colleges!
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I know people in very high HR positions, either running a company or helping to hire people that do run companies and they universally say the same damn thing:
Once you are past 3-4 years in an occupation, college degree's mean crap. Also unless you went to Harvard/Yale/Stanford/MIT etc, basically the Creme-de-la-Creme, those 5-10 schools that move the needles, college matters even less. They further state that the degrees from those schools matter most only if the person doing the hiring went there, otherwise they don't mean as much as everyone thinks either. After your entry level phase, it's up to the prospective employee to have the requisite experience, present well, etc. etc. more than just have a degree. The degree is just a way to weed out resume's and get your foot in the door.
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I know people in very high HR positions, either running a company or helping to hire people that do run companies and they universally say the same damn thing:
Once you are past 3-4 years in an occupation, college degree's mean crap. Also unless you went to Harvard/Yale/Stanford/MIT etc, basically the Creme-de-la-Creme, those 5-10 schools that move the needles, college matters even less. They further state that the degrees from those schools matter most only if the person doing the hiring went there, otherwise they don't mean as much as everyone thinks either. After your entry level phase, it's up to the prospective employee to have the requisite experience, present well, etc. etc. more than just have a degree. The degree is just a way to weed out resume's and get your foot in the door.
I went to SUNY Binghamton because it was generally regarded as the best of the SUNY system (they also like to suck their own dick and call themselves a public ivy).
A while ago it became obvious that I could have gone to any state school and it wouldn't have made a difference. Nobody cares. I'll probably encourage my son to go to Queens College unless he gets a full ride (gotta check that Puerto Rican box on the app) somewhere else.
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http://uproxx.com/filmdrunk/2015/07/porn-stars-name-most-bangable-republican-candidate/
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http://uproxx.com/filmdrunk/2015/07/porn-stars-name-most-bangable-republican-candidate/
I love how butthurt the writer got when the woman picked Trump.
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Rubio is closest to my feelings on that one, but I don't like the idea of outside businesses dealing with students on the matter. The idea of colleges granting an education for a fixed percent of a graduate's income for x number of years is something I've been in favor of for some time. Of course, the best way to fix the problem is to stop insisting everyone should go to college. Return vocational training, roll back requirements on jobs that should never require a college degree, and make apprenticeships a part of high school curriculum for kids on that track. The last thing I want to hear, though, is excrement about student loan forgiveness.
That's an incredible idea.
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I love how butthurt the writer got when the woman picked Trump.
That was hilarious. It's like he forgot who he works for and what he was writing.
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https://jeb2016.com/shop/
Anyone want a $75 guac bowl?
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https://jeb2016.com/shop/
Anyone want a $75 guac bowl?
Hahaha wtf.
Btw I have no problem with stickers and buttons, but what the freak America. I saw someone walking around with an Obama t-shirt the other day. Politician idol worship needs to stop.
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Hahaha wtf.
Btw I have no problem with stickers and buttons, but what the freak America. I saw someone walking around with an Obama t-shirt the other day. Politician idol worship needs to stop.
Throwback: http://youtu.be/TW9b0xr06qA
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presidential-debate-times-watch-democrats-duke/story?id=32920797
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Random guy with a sign asking the tough questions at the debate
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I looked at this republican debate for a few minutes online. Mainly I wanted to see the Trump train wreck. On one hand, I know I should probably have a say in the way my country is run by voting. On the other hand, do I have to take part in this clown show?
They all look stupid trying to please everyone. I don't think it's possible to be a well-liked politician anymore. Is it wrong that I just want to ignore this whole shitshow and just bet on the reliable gridlock of Congress to at least guarantee that nothing good or retarded will happen? I feel like I'd be voting for the turd I'd be least offended to eat.
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Of course dcm got the screenshot of the dudes making out.
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Of course dcm got the screenshot of the dudes making out.
Ha, missed that looking at the sign.
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I don't think it's possible to be a well-liked politician anymore.
Have you listened to Bernie Sanders? He's well liked, and deservedly so. He just won't get the nomination, because he isn't going to mobilise the money.
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Have you listened to Bernie Sanders? He's well liked
Not everyone likes him.
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Not everyone likes him.
I can well believe it. That isn't what I said.
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The debate was freaking awesome, although it certainly lost steam once it settled in. Lost in the shuffle was the fact that in a freaking political debate, they asked a question about what God wanted them to do. Have you received a word from God on what you should do and take care of first? The Republican Party is a joke and a shadow of the well oiled machine that was the Bush era. The Democratic Party gets that title, damaging as the party actually may be.
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Did the give a sash and flowers to the winner?
Who won the bikini segment of the show?
I'll be just as excited for the blue team's pageant as well.
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Did the give a sash and flowers to the winner?
Who won the bikini segment of the show?
I'll be just as excited for the blue team's pageant as well.
Watch some of the recap. The hatred and idiocy was glorious, and yes, it'll be on display with the blue team too.
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I can well believe it. That isn't what I said.
Literally every person on that stage last night is well-liked by a large group of people.
Even Scott Walker
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Spray tans all around
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Not everyone likes him.
Liberals who don't like Bernie Sanders should probably kill themselves.
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Reading the comments on conservative blogs is great this morning. Now that their boy trump got "attacked" the fair and balanced motto is being mocked by them too.
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Reading the comments on conservative blogs is great this morning. Now that their boy trump got "attacked" the fair and balanced motto is being mocked by them too.
At this point I think the dismissal of Trump is unfair as he's not substantially less legitimate than (most of) the rest of the candidates, particularly on that side.
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A lot of people are warming up to him. Some of my friends who don't care about politics are all about him now.
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I wonder what I would do if I were a politician up on that stage, having to pander to everyone to get votes. Being fake so as to not offend anyone. Having to come up with stupid catchy phrases to appeal to dumbasses who have a vote just like everyone else.
It's a shame that none of them (or anyone else) can just go up there and say, "I'm gonna do my best to fix all of these problems, but I can't make any promises because a lot is out of my hands and I can't predict the future." That person would have zero chance to get elected. I don't blame them for being fake. It gets votes. I couldn't do it, even if I were good at it.
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He's lucky I wasn't a moderator, I am not too sure he would like to answer what dead animal do you have on your head, skunk, racoon or possum?
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A lot of people are warming up to him. Some of my friends who don't care about politics are all about him now.
Only people who aren't paying attention can be into him. His whole campaign so far is based on people not actually paying attention.
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Only people who aren't paying attention can be into him. His whole campaign so far is based on people not actually paying attention.
I don't know if I agree with that. Most of the people not paying attention support Hillary or Jeb. That doesn't mean his supporters aren't generally uninformed but they are anything but passive.
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Plenty of people are just blindly supporting Hillary just for who she is. Her positions on most issues have changed a bunch over the years that I'm not sure anyone really knows where she honestly stands.
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I don't know if I agree with that. Most of the people not paying attention support Hillary or Jeb. That doesn't mean his supporters aren't generally uninformed but they are anything but passive.
Going to his rallies and getting all moist to his non PC sound bites isn't actually paying attention.
http://www.gq.com/story/trump-supporters-gop-campaign-iowa
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Plenty of people are just blindly supporting Hillary just for who she is. Her positions on most issues have changed a bunch over the years that I'm not sure anyone really knows where she honestly stands.
The left isn't immune to this either. I'm voting Bernie Sanders or third party or more likely just not bothering with the headache unless I'm already off work.
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It's funny I don't know of one person that openly supports either Hillary or Jeb and I work in a highly conservative office and live amongst some really liberal people, so it's a decent mix. They're both horrible candidates.
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I don't know if I agree with that. Most of the people not paying attention support Hillary or Jeb. That doesn't mean his supporters aren't generally uninformed but they are anything but passive.
Yes. Hillary-Jeb is the lazy man's 2016. Watching Fox News just unabashedly go to town on Trump last night was something to behold. They pretty clearly want Rubio to win the nomination, too. They balanced his appearance out really well on stage. As obvious as the Donald attacks were, they did a good job of controlling the image of the others in a more subtle fashion.
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I still can't get over the fact that their climactic question was whether God had spoken to them and told them what to do. It was like a bad parody.
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The list of candidates is quite remarkable.
http://2016.republican-candidates.org/
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Plenty of people are just blindly supporting Hillary just for who she is. Her positions on most issues have changed a bunch over the years that I'm not sure anyone really knows where she honestly stands.
Her strategy is to not say anything of note from now until 2016. The party is supporting this by only scheduling 6 debates, giving her competition little opportunity to chip away at her lead. It's really uncomfortable to watch it unfold.
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The list of candidates is quite remarkable.
http://2016.republican-candidates.org/
With a platform that generally aims to the left, Eric Cavanagh nevertheless has a number of right-leaning ideas, including a 100% porn tax. He also favors “mandatory expungement”: Six months after being convicted of a serious crime, your record is wiped clean. Even minor offenses would be forgotten after 3 months.
A stubborn refusal to say “die” is one of the hallmarks of Jack Fellure, who's been running for President every four years since 1988. He's a dauntlessly religious man and a rock-solid conservative, advocating alcohol prohibition and the criminalization of homosexuality, among other right-wing positions.
On the other hand, I've only read one paragraph about Mark Everson and he seems like a reasonable guy.
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Her strategy is to not say anything of note from now until 2016. The party is supporting this by only scheduling 6 debates, giving her competition little opportunity to chip away at her lead. It's really uncomfortable to watch it unfold.
I don't know what Hilary will be like in debate, but I can't see how anyone other than Sanders comes out of the debates winning.
I would absolutely love Sanders to get the nomination but I don't know how electable he would be. Do you think he'd be able to get the politically disinclined out to the voting booths?
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Her strategy is to not say anything of note from now until 2016. The party is supporting this by only scheduling 6 debates, giving her competition little opportunity to chip away at her lead. It's really uncomfortable to watch it unfold.
The fact that Martin O'Malley is considered a major candidate tells you all you need to know about the Democratic race.
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I don't know what Hilary will be like in debate, but I can't see how anyone other than Sanders comes out of the debates winning.
I would absolutely love Sanders to get the nomination but I don't know how electable he would be. Do you think he'd be able to get the politically disinclined out to the voting booths?
He'll increase the margin in states that would go to Democrats anyway. That's about it, IMO. He's not going to mobilize enough voters in swing states to win, and the Republican machine, which has focused its energy on Hillary so far, will have a field day. I have no idea how America would respond.
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I don't know what Hilary will be like in debate, but I can't see how anyone other than Sanders comes out of the debates winning.
I would absolutely love Sanders to get the nomination but I don't know how electable he would be. Do you think he'd be able to get the politically disinclined out to the voting booths?
He's attracting support from a lot of independents, but I think winning the Black/Hispanic vote would be key for him. Right now I've mostly just seen BLM types having a "What's so great about him?" attitude because he hasn't parroted their narrative.
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He'll increase the margin in states that would go to Democrats anyway. That's about it, IMO. He's not going to mobilize enough voters in swing states to win, and the Republican machine, which has focused its energy on Hillary so far, will have a field day. I have no idea how America would respond.
The Republican machine is not what it was in 2000.
If he can do enough to actually win the nomination then there's no reason to write him off in the general election, especially without knowing who his opponent would be.
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He's attracting support from a lot of independents, but I think winning the Black/Hispanic vote would be key for him. Right now I've mostly just seen BLM types having a "What's so great about him?" attitude because he hasn't parroted their narrative.
BLM? Is that the same as SLW or SHW? IDK. WTF.
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BLM? Is that the same as SLW or SHW? IDK. WTF.
Black Lives Matter (and you're a big fat racist if you say All Lives Matter)
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Sanders v Rubio would be a pretty fascinating general election. I think Rubio is going to climb in the polls after last night, hopefully over Scott Walker. He's doing a good job positioning himself against Bush without alienating the voters in his own state and the Bush adherents by coming on too hard. It's a pretty good slow burn campaign.
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The Republican machine is not what it was in 2000.
If he can do enough to actually win the nomination then there's no reason to write him off in the general election, especially without knowing who his opponent would be.
I'm not writing him off completely, but he's not untouchable like Obama was and his views are so far left that a fear campaign would be more effective. Rubio's youth, his appeal to Hispanic voters, and his 'party of tomorrow' attitude would be easy to position. He's a much more electable candidate than either of the guys who came before him (although 2000 McCain may have been, 2008 McCain was not). Sanders is being left alone for now, but I don't see him appealing nearly as much to the voters who are just waiting until the general election to have an opinion.
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Sanders v Rubio would be a pretty fascinating general election.
Throw in Trump running as an independent in the general election and you've got yourself a stew, baby.
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Trump running as an independent would be amazing for the Dems, he'd take votes almost exclusively from the Republicans.
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Trump running as an independent would be amazing for the Dems, he'd take votes almost exclusively from the Republicans.
Trump wouldn't
I think his retardedness will eventually cannibalize him
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I think his retardedness will eventually cannibalize him
Is this what happened to you as a child?
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Lol. This Bernie Sanders kick. He has no shot because his economic plan is freaking insane, unless you like taxing the incentive out of success and driving business out of the country.
As far as last night, I mean it's like some of you went in with pre-conceived notions and nothing that was said was going to bring them down. Shocking, I know.
As for the debate, my boy (Rand) got freaking slaughtered and looked horrible, this absolute buffoonery continues with the Trump side-show, and they completely ignored the smartest guy on stage (Carson.) As for impressions, I think Bush came off well, but not well enough to outdo his toxic last name, and I thought Rubio was the clear winner. I knew next to nothing about John Kasich going in and I'm starting to think that the combination of his moderate stance, reasonable demeanor and popularity in Ohio makes him a solid VP choice for whoever gets the nom.
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Lol. This Bernie Sanders kick. He has no shot because his economic plan is freaking insane, unless you like taxing the incentive out of success and driving business out of the country.
As far as last night, I mean it's like some of you went in with pre-conceived notions and nothing that was said was going to bring them down. Shocking, I know.
As for the debate, my boy (Rand) got freaking slaughtered and looked horrible, this absolute buffoonery continues with the Trump side-show, and they completely ignored the smartest guy on stage (Carson.) As for impressions, I think Bush came off well, but not well enough to outdo his toxic last name, and I thought Rubio was the clear winner. I knew next to nothing about John Kasich going in and I'm starting to think that the combination of his moderate stance, reasonable demeanor and popularity in Ohio makes him a solid VP choice for whoever gets the nom.
What in the world do you think happened last night that should have changed anyone's mind? It was an embarrassment for the majority of candidates on that stage. Aside from Rubio likely regaining some points in the polls, Carson and Kasich evading the shitfest, and Fiorina establishing her own relevancy, last night was a disaster.
Also, your boy Rand continues to be a colossal joke. His sham libertarianism-when-it-suits-him is an embarrassment.
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lol @ anyone calling Rand Paul's corny derriere their "boy"
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As far as last night, I mean it's like some of you went in with pre-conceived notions and nothing that was said was going to bring them down. Shocking, I know.
God spoke to me and told me not to bother watching.
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I think social media and the over-saturation of everything in news coverage and opinion shows have turned all politicians into babbling messes. Granted, some of them are that way regardless of all this coverage. A politician can't say or do anything without being devoured with scrutiny. Your options are to say nothing and get ignored or get picked apart if you say anything.
I truly believe if Reagan or FDR had to deal with Facebook, Fox News and CNN, they'd be considered shitty too. The whole process is a joke now.
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lol @ anyone calling Rand Paul's corny derriere their "boy"
Lol. Says the guy who thinks AJ Preller is doing a bang up job. Your opinion on anything besides football is worth as much as a Kurt Bevacqua rookie card after that doozy.
What in the world do you think happened last night that should have changed anyone's mind? It was an embarrassment for the majority of candidates on that stage. Aside from Rubio likely regaining some points in the polls, Carson and Kasich evading the shitfest, and Fiorina establishing her own relevancy, last night was a disaster.
Also, your boy Rand continues to be a colossal joke. His sham libertarianism-when-it-suits-him is an embarrassment.
I mean it's like you wrote that comment at 3 o clock just waiitng for someone to come on here and say, you know I liked what some of the candidates had to say! Despite Bush's last name being admittedly toxic, I thought he did a good job explaining why he supports causes (like common core) that most conservatives despise. Governor Kasichs answer on gay marriage was spot on, but of course rather than discuss what he had to say about acceptance, tolerance and his faith AND the american dream demanding that everyone be treated equally with love and respect, the left cherry picks it to say, "hah look! he thinks hes being progressive because he went to a gay wedding!" completely ignoring the previous minutes worth of an answer. Rubio's only gaffe of the night were his comments on abortion. Otherwise he looked polished, gave solid answers (even when following jebs lead and supporting common core), went on the offensive about the opposition when he had to, and IMHO opened up the eyes of a base that dismissed him as being too young and green.
Qualify that statement about Rands "sham libertarianism when it suits him." Because its bullshit. The guy has been ahead of the curve on every social issue the left bitches about. Criminal justice/drug law reform? Reached across the aisle working with Cory Booker, was even quoted by Obama in Barry O's speech about reducing penalties for non-violent offenders. Marriage equality? He's only been saying since he took office that government has no business getting involved in marriage. The war on Iraq? Against it from the beginning. The Iran deal? A moldy piece of excrement, but better than the alternative.
Sorry that he discussed religious liberty in terms of refusing service when the right to practice ones own religion is A CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT whether any of you like it or not. He's 100 percent right. Government has no business trying to influence sermons just like sermons have no business trying to influence the government.
I mean again, I'm discussing this with a bunch of people that bitch and moan about how the GOP is the party of old white men as they get ready to vote for a 73 YEAR OLD WHITE GUY! Well played gents. Well played. But the biggest joke of all isn't even the fact that Bernie has to spin his socialism as "democratic-socialism" like that makes a freaking difference, but that those in his own party are doing EVERYTHING they can to work against him because the White House is that elitist cunts birthright according to some. Strong language? No. Moreso then any Republican politician aside from the Huckabees and Santorums of the world (throw Cruz in there as well) she is a freaking SCOURGE on American politics. I'd honestly vote for Belicheck over her, so truthfully despite disagreeing with 90 percent of what he has to say, I hope Bernie takes the primary. At least he's not an establishment whore. Just a misguided crazy old man. But we all know it's not going to happen.
If this was just based on intelligence, Dr. Carson is our next President and its not even close.
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You're arguing against a lot of points that no one here is making.
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You're arguing against a lot of points that no one here is making.
Thats because I'm not even sure what the point being made is, except every GOP candidate sucks, Thursday nights debate may as well have taken place in the lair of the Legion of Doom and feel the Bern.
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You're arguing against a lot of points that no one here is making.
DONT YOU DARE DISPARAGE RONALD REAGAN LIKE THAT!!!!! MY GUN, MY RIGHTS!!!!!111
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DONT YOU DARE DISPARAGE RONALD REAGAN LIKE THAT!!!!! MY GUN, MY RIGHTS!!!!!111
There is that pesky thing called the 2nd Amendment. Otherwise I didn't even bring up Saint Ronald. If I'm lucky enough to have a daughter, I personally think Reagan makes a GREAT name.
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Thats because I'm not even sure what the point being made is, except every GOP candidate sucks, Thursday nights debate may as well have taken place in the lair of the Legion of Doom and feel the Bern.
If it makes you feel any better, I registered Democrat for the first time ever so I could vote against Hillary in the primary.
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Oh no, someone broke mj2sexay!
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Oh no, someone broke mj2sexay!
I've fallen and I can't get up.
If the sun would just peak out I promise to go away. What a horrible beach morning thus far.
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Thats because I'm not even sure what the point being made is, except every GOP candidate sucks, Thursday nights debate may as well have taken place in the lair of the Legion of Doom and feel the Bern.
The point was rather clear. Rubio, Kasich, and Carson were the only ones to come out unscathed. It was a disaster of a debate for a party desperate to swell its base. Record numbers were treated to FNC trying to craft the debate to fit its agenda from moment one with the silly pledge right down to the question--for candidates for president--of whether God has yet instructed them on what to do. Hillary bashing and abortion seemed to be the most prevalent topics, while real timely issues like legalization and gun control were completely avoided and the economy took...what's below second stage? It was a disaster.
Nobody poked fun at Kasich for 'faking progressivism'. As far as I know, the only major Bernie supporter here doesn't live in America. You're putting up some fearsome straw men, though.
Oh, and Rand Paul is as Libertarian as the voters want him to be. He fills a niche market of people who want to claim to embrace libertarian principles but also want to justify intolerance for supporting the civil liberties of people they hate. Rand is great at weaseling out of comments made (look at his response to the CRM) and shifting his viewpoint to fit what the voters want. He's a shadow of his dad, and it wouldn't surprise me if half his purported libertarian beliefs come from a desire to maintain his father's supporters and assure himself of their votes.
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As far as I know, the only major Bernie supporter here doesn't live in America.
Assuming you mean me, I wouldn't claim to be well enough versed in the issues to call myself a supporter, and even if I were you're right that my opinion is far less relevant given my lack of a vote in the matter. I do think he's the only serious candidate who appears to be running on a base of actual principles rather than pandering to what he thinks will get him the most votes. (Arguably Trump fits that bill as well, but it depends whether you consider him to be a serious candidate.)
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The point was rather clear. Rubio, Kasich, and Carson were the only ones to come out unscathed. It was a disaster of a debate for a party desperate to swell its base. Record numbers were treated to FNC trying to craft the debate to fit its agenda from moment one with the silly pledge right down to the question--for candidates for president--of whether God has yet instructed them on what to do. Hillary bashing and abortion seemed to be the most prevalent topics, while real timely issues like legalization and gun control were completely avoided and the economy took...what's below second stage? It was a disaster.
Nobody poked fun at Kasich for 'faking progressivism'. As far as I know, the only major Bernie supporter here doesn't live in America. You're putting up some fearsome straw men, though.
Oh, and Rand Paul is as Libertarian as the voters want him to be. He fills a niche market of people who want to claim to embrace libertarian principles but also want to justify intolerance for supporting the civil liberties of people they hate. Rand is great at weaseling out of comments made (look at his response to the CRM) and shifting his viewpoint to fit what the voters want. He's a shadow of his dad, and it wouldn't surprise me if half his purported libertarian beliefs come from a desire to maintain his father's supporters and assure himself of their votes.
Admittedly Iggy, you're smarter then I am, so I'm curious as what gives you this impression because I could be missing something. It's hard for me to get that sense when his attempts at criminal sentencing reforms with Booker, specifically are targeted to aide disporportionately affected minority communities. He's already come out on record saying to get government out of the marriage business, and while he's part of the main crew trying to defund Planned Parenthood; I think the thing thats being lost here is that you can be pro-choice in the way the original Roe v. Wade ruling intended (trimester system), and still have a major problem with the unedited version of the videos. The 5th one was horrifying. Intact fetal cadavers? How are those procured aside from literally birthing and killing a baby?
I don't disagree with your first point actually, except I thought Jeb did a good job staying out of the fray. Walker was way off, but its not a surprise to anyone thats followed his career. The man has the charisma of Joe Philbin, or a wet fart (whichever comparison is funnier), and is prone to saying incredibly stupid things when left to his own devices. I know just voting based on appearance is as low information as it gets, but if anyone looks like they have a cauldron full of the souls of dead children in their basement that they use to keep their youth intact its Ted Cruz. He just looks evil, and his line about honesty in politics was a fuckin doozy. As for Governor Fatso, more bluster and less solutions. In fairness to him though, he inhereted an absolute train wreck. I just have a real problem getting lectured about self control from a guy that looks like he just housed his 5th waffle and ice cream.
While I don't consider Trump anything more then a side show, I do find something pretty hilarious about a guy who whored out all of these people for years all of a sudden stepping to the forefront and being completely honest about how and why he bought the very people who are now looking to tear him down. I agree with you JE, I do think Bernie is a principled man (his early involvment in sit-ins during the civil rights era speaks towards his character), I just don't agree with the solutions. I also think you can throw in Dr. Carson as someone running on a basis of actual principals rather than just simple pandering.
A Clinton-Bush or Clinton-far right conservative like Cruz or Huckabee (which won't happen) is the easiest way to ensure my third party vote. freak it, despite not agreeing with him on anything I'll vote Vermin Supreme. The boot is stylish, and the one time I met him (despite our differing politics I have a childhood "bestie" who wound up becoming an early organizer of Occupy Wall Street) while he recoiled in horror when my friend told him who I was voting for in the upcoming election (this was way back in 2012 and I had pretty much made up my mind to vote for Gary Johnson), he was very nice and didn't kick me out of the smokers circle or have his devoted minions tear me apart with their bare hands.
He did put his hand on my head Tony Robbins style and scream "capitalist DEVIL release HIM"
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Not that I support Sanders
But these black lives matter people need to go disappear
http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/08/08/22668466/black-lives-matter-activists-interrupt-bernie-sanders-at-social-security-rally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=53&v=2mZ3tIII5zg
People act like animals to get their message out, might as well go riot and steal some freaking tvs
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Next time they should crash a republican candidate's public appearance. Probably a 50/50 chance to get martyred for the cause.
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I was at a bar and mentioned how I like trump's no nonsense and non PC style, and some Latina went off about how he's a racist and I'm probably a racist for liking trump. I don't need this.
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I was at a bar and mentioned how I like trump's no nonsense and non PC style, and some Latina went off about how he's a racist and I'm probably a racist for liking trump. I don't need this.
The guy I work with who continues to repeat this line is clueless to the fact that he is a racist. Just sayin.
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I'm trying to figure out what could possibly be gained by admitting such a thing in a bar setting. Unless the goal of the night is to go home alone.
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I'm trying to figure out what could possibly be gained by admitting such a thing in a bar setting. Unless the goal of the night is to go home alone.
Wasn't out out, just a few drinks with a buddy before heading back home. It was a dive anyway, and the chick was ugly.
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Wasn't out out, just a few drinks with a buddy before heading back home. It was a dive anyway, and the chick was ugly.
Fair enough, nothing to lose.
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Bill Maher's early prediction for the Republican ticket is Rubio-Fiorina.
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Didnt everyone (mostly JE) on here bitch and whine when i said Carly Fiorina is probably the best name the Republicans got, and then complained about how she ran HP
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Didnt everyone (mostly JE) on here bitch and whine when i said Carly Fiorina is probably the best name the Republicans got,
You mean the best uterus the Republicans can parade around.
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You mean the best uterus the Republicans can parade around.
Well Palin's uterus is probably far better
But carly fiorina is likely all the wiser
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Well Palin's uterus is probably far better
But carly fiorina is likely all the wiser
A retarded chicken is wiser than Palin.
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A retarded chicken is wiser than Palin.
What about a fried one?
Because the one in the white house aint much better
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What about a fried one?
Because the one in the white house aint much better
Are you seriously saying that Sarah Palin and Obama are of similar intelligence? Seriously?
Like him or not, he is not stupid.
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Are you seriously saying that Sarah Palin and Obama are of similar intelligence? Seriously?
Like him or not, he is not stupid.
Fineeee
He is smarterer
But their supporters are definitely of similar intelligence
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Fineeee
He is smarterer
But their supporters are definitely of similar intelligence
No no no there are a lot of smart people right or wrong (100% this) that dig Obama, you can not say that about Palin. Anyone that follows Palin and likes her platform is a freaking moron.
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Didnt everyone (mostly JE) on here bitch and whine when i said Carly Fiorina is probably the best name the Republicans got, and then complained about how she ran HP
I didn't bitch and whine, I said I would love to see Fiorina get the nomination. She was a terrible businesswoman who made some astonishingly poor decisions at HP and I doubt she'll have any serious support from the business community. She demonstrated a pigheaded determination to follow through on bad decisions when people much smarter than her were advising her otherwise; the Kochs and their gang don't mind an idiot as long as they're a puppet. The last thing they want is an idiot who actually thinks they're right.
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Didnt everyone (mostly JE) on here bitch and whine when i said Carly Fiorina is probably the best name the Republicans got, and then complained about how she ran HP
That's her record as a leader. It's terrible.
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Trump is proving to be a real pain in the arse for the GOP.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-im-ruling-independent-runfor-now/story?id=32997446
I'm reading this as "give me the nomination or I will run against your candidate and split the vote". It's their worst nightmare.
About the only thing I can think of that they might do is offer him a place on the ticket, but they can't give him the VP job or they'll end up with another McCain/Palin situation where the VP candidate overshadows the main nominee, and anything else might not be enough to satisfy his ego.
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the Kochs and their gang don't mind an idiot as long as they're a puppet. The last thing they want is an idiot who actually thinks they're right.
Scott Walker and his perplexing tard face.
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Trump is proving to be a real pain in the arse for the GOP.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-im-ruling-independent-runfor-now/story?id=32997446
I'm reading this as "give me the nomination or I will run against your candidate and split the vote". It's their worst nightmare.
About the only thing I can think of that they might do is offer him a place on the ticket, but they can't give him the VP job or they'll end up with another McCain/Palin situation where the VP candidate overshadows the main nominee, and anything else might not be enough to satisfy his ego.
I have to imagine that that's the plan.
Him craving attention and or possibly a cabinet position.
But I don't think he would settle for less than VP.
I just can't see two old white guys being on the ticket
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I have to imagine that that's the plan.
Him craving attention and or possibly a cabinet position.
But I don't think he would settle for less than VP.
I just can't see two old white guys being on the ticket
I think its only chance of working for the GOP would be with Rubio as the nominee to try and placate the Hispanic vote. I don't know how the Tea Party lunatic fringe would feel about a Rubio/Trump package, but I guess in the end they're going to vote for whatever's wearing the Republican rosette even if they don't especially like them.
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I think it's all about who polls well in the swing states. The GOP is going to win GOP votes no matter what, especially if Hillary is the Dem nominee.
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It would be hilarious for Trump to run as an independent and pull a Ross Perot.
Oh excrement, what if this is the Clinton's long game all along?! freak.
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There's nothing funny about another Clinton in the White House.
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There's nothing funny about another Clinton in the White House.
I agree. It was a realization that Trump as an independent would hand her the election.
I'm hoping Sanders can do enough damage in the primaries to shift the conversation, and the poll numbers.
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So I was reading about Ben Carson surging in the polls. I wondered what black people must think of him, so I searched "Ben Carson" on Twitter. Obviously way more whites than blacks.
Hmmm.
Tried something else. Typed "nigga Ben Carson" into the Twitter search.
Finally, every single tweet by a black person.
And nearly every single tweet hating on him for being an "Uncle Tom" or whatever, and not really black.
Can't say I was surprised.
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So I was reading about Ben Carson surging in the polls. I wondered what black people must think of him, so I searched "Ben Carson" on Twitter. Obviously way more whites than blacks.
Hmmm.
Tried something else. Typed "nigga Ben Carson" into the Twitter search.
Finally, every single tweet by a black person.
And nearly every single tweet hating on him for being an "Uncle Tom" or whatever, and not really black.
Can't say I was surprised.
Hahahha
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So I was reading about Ben Carson surging in the polls. I wondered what black people must think of him, so I searched "Ben Carson" on Twitter. Obviously way more whites than blacks.
Hmmm.
Tried something else. Typed "nigga Ben Carson" into the Twitter search.
Finally, every single tweet by a black person.
And nearly every single tweet hating on him for being an "Uncle Tom" or whatever, and not really black.
Can't say I was surprised.
I just checked for laughs. I saw 4 that were like that. Out of about 50 that I read. I must have missed something. Never saw Uncle Tom either. I didn't find what you said at all.
Can't say I was surprised.
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I just checked for laughs. I saw 4 that were like that. Out of about 50 that I read. I must have missed something. Never saw Uncle Tom either. I didn't find what you said at all.
Can't say I was surprised.
On they're there. Add "Uncle Tom" to "nigga Ben Carson". And don't lie that most of those tweets you read weren't criticizing him for not really being black, even if they didn't say "Uncle Tom" directly.
It's actually pretty fucked up.
Coincidentally here's him talking about it just yesterday:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FMQO68KIf5E
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Uncle Tommy
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Uncle Tommy
5 honks
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On they're there. Add "Uncle Tom" to "nigga Ben Carson". And don't lie that most of those tweets you read weren't criticizing him for not really being black, even if they didn't say "Uncle Tom" directly.
It's actually pretty fucked up.
Coincidentally here's him talking about it just yesterday:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FMQO68KIf5E
So if I search for "Uncle Tom nigga Ben Carson" I'll find tweets calling him an Uncle Tom? You don't say...
I did search, and as I said, last night there were a handful talking about him like that, but not a majority. Most of them were about how they feel the Republican Party views him and were written while he was largely ignored during the debate. The people tweeting thought it was racial. I'm guessing it was the fact that he's an innocuous and inexperienced candidate. Not enough dirt for Fox News to care that night.
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And there is nothing wrong with what he said. There absolutely are people who consider him a race traitor for joining a party that hates poor blacks. It's just not everyone like you're desperate to prove. Not even the majority. The fact that you went out of your way to search "nigga Ben Carson" speaks volumes about what a piece of excrement you are and how badly you want to justify it.
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Tommy hahaha
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To be fair I was pretty high. And my argument stands.
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If a black dude ever knocks Tommy out, he's absolutely going to go American History X. He's already got the hairdo.
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If a black dude ever knocks Tommy out, he's absolutely going to go American History X. He's already got the hairdo.
Will he have that epiphany after a thorough prison rape?
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If a black dude ever knocks Tommy out, he's absolutely going to go American History X. He's already got the hairdo.
fairuza balk is scary
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fairuza balk is scary
yeah but she can freak. there is no way you look like that and not know how to break a dick off.
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That is one scary bitch.
(http://www.joblo.com/images_arrownews/fairuza%20balk%209.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/9c/92/08/9c9208360d4d8579f9c2216565f9d378.jpg)
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And I like Vicki, and she like me back! And she showed me her boobies and I like them too!
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And I like Vicki, and she like me back! And she showed me her boobies and I like them too!
that's quality h2o
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And I like Vicki, and she like me back! And she showed me her boobies and I like them too!
If you get married, promise to adapt this line into your wedding vows.
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freaking Nigga Ben Carson had me dying
Never change Tommy
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freaking Nigga Ben Carson had me dying
Never change Tommy
You can actually get a pretty decent consensus on what black people think about someone by just attaching "nigga" to their name. I'm going to patent this method for Marketing and PR firms.
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What do you get for Donald Trump nigga?
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What do you get for Donald Trump nigga?
Surprisingly there are a lot of flattering tweets about Trump being "a real derriere nigga".
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Whoa. "Nigga Bernie sanders" reveals that despite what the BLM movement has to say, young black people are really into this guy.
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I think we should start a separate thread in which we archive all of Tommy's most stupid posts. We could call it Tommy: The rooster Opera.
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https://www.yahoo.com/politics/climate-change-where-the-2016-presidential-126684106071.html
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https://www.yahoo.com/politics/climate-change-where-the-2016-presidential-126684106071.html
The editing of that article is hideous. It's really important though.
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The editing of that article is hideous. It's really important though.
That's Yahoo for you.
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Bad Lip Reading guys did the first republican debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGlBv8Z3NU
You just froze a baby.....
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Presidential Hopeful Deez Nuts Continues To Hang Around, Now Polling At 9% In North Carolina
ABC11- The new PPP poll revealed independent candidate Deez Nuts is polling at 9 percent in the Tar Heel state. Running as an independent from Wallingford, Iowa; population 197, Deez Nuts has gone viral and has a large fan base. The poll done in July showed Trump leading the Republican field at 16 percent. The newest survey of N.C. shows Trump has risen steeply to 24 percent, while all others are lagging behind. Ben Carson is Trump’s biggest competition right now in North Carolina, polling at 14 percent. According to PPP, Trump leads the GOP with moderates, ‘somewhat conservative voters,’ ‘very conservative voters,’ men, women, middle-aged voters, younger voters, and seniors. Jeb Bush is polling at 13 percent, Ted Cruz at ten percent, Mark Rubio at nine percent, and six percent each for Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee, and Scott Walker.
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hahahaha
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https://mobile.twitter.com/votedeeznuts16/status/634129202883743744
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https://mobile.twitter.com/votedeeznuts16/status/634129202883743744
That's awesome.
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Deez Nuts is a 15 year old Iowa boy.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/19/presidential-candidate-deez-nuts-does-not-exist.html
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It's probably Jared Fogle looking for a date.
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(https://40.media.tumblr.com/6451991fb082a1a5c4635ec8c44ce567/tumblr_nskvcy6iEL1qzd4nho1_540.jpg)
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/251729-deez-nuts-endorses-sanders-in-dem-primary
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(https://40.media.tumblr.com/6451991fb082a1a5c4635ec8c44ce567/tumblr_nskvcy6iEL1qzd4nho1_540.jpg)
we all float down here
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(https://40.media.tumblr.com/6451991fb082a1a5c4635ec8c44ce567/tumblr_nskvcy6iEL1qzd4nho1_540.jpg)
That's a hilarious pic.
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Looks like we may be entering a bear market soon, which could last more than a year. Not good for the party incumbent.
Could just be a market correction though - China was pretty damn overvalued, and these could just be short term ripple effects. Will be interesting to see.
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Looks like we may be entering a bear market soon, which could last more than a year. Not good for the party incumbent.
Could just be a market correction though - China was pretty damn overvalued, and these could just be short term ripple effects. Will be interesting to see.
It's the exact thing our real estate market caused in 2007. Just wait till the real estate in China gets clobbered as well. There's so many bubbles in that country it defies logic: Their stock mkt, real estate mkt and their Bond markets are all over inflated. For freak sake they have ghost cities over there, how on gods green earth is their real estate values rising?
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It's the exact thing our real estate market caused in 2007. Just wait till the real estate in China gets clobbered as well. There's so many bubbles in that country it defies logic: Their stock mkt, real estate mkt and their Bond markets are all over inflated. For freak sake they have ghost cities over there, how on gods green earth is their real estate values rising?
I have no idea, their millionaires are spending all of their money on NYC real estate and driving our prices up.
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Yeah, while China is definitely do for a crash, a lot of them park their money in real estate abroad. They'll likely sell if excrement out there really gets bad though.
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The Chinese that bought property here are killing it. They're making a ton via rising value and then their currency is devalued versus the dollar. There making money coming and going. It's almost as if they knew the devaluation was coming. If or when they repatriate their money they will be kings.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/24/breaking-down-this-amazing-donald-trump-picture-from-his-alabama-rally/?tid=sm_fb
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/24/breaking-down-this-amazing-donald-trump-picture-from-his-alabama-rally/?tid=sm_fb
So the Washington Post is now Barstoolsports?
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(https://36.media.tumblr.com/10c0675caa57322620f18aa725d158e8/tumblr_ntildzUIKS1rh1v81o1_540.jpg)
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Really have to wonder what the hell Trump is thinking.
Hes been going after that (hot) reporter from Fox News non stop ever since the debate.
If you wanna win the Republican primary, how does attacking Fox help you do it
No idea what his objective is, but I have to think with the way he (frequently) insults women and Mexicans that his goal is to just sabotage the Republicans and drive voters over to the other side of the aisle
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Really have to wonder what the hell Trump is thinking.
Hes been going after that (hot) reporter from Fox News non stop ever since the debate.
If you wanna win the Republican primary, how does attacking Fox help you do it
No idea what his objective is, but I have to think with the way he (frequently) insults women and Mexicans that his goal is to just sabotage the Republicans and drive voters over to the other side of the aisle
He's one of those people that gets a boner for winning no matter what.
Personally I hope he sticks around for the comedy factor.
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He's one of those people that gets a boner for winning no matter what.
Personally I hope he sticks around for the comedy factor.
But this isnt going to help him win at all
Hell its going to make him impossible to even get added to a ticket as VP or another high profile position.
If you want to abandon certain groups as a Republican its possible (ie ignore the blacks)
But to pee women and Mexicans the freak off?
Its completely bizarre
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I don't know if he even cares about the election. It's all about publicity. I'll have to admit, I didn't think he'd even run, much less actually lead a poll. It won't last, but still funny.
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Donald Trump is a crazy person and in addition doesn't give a freak about how crazy he's being.
It's both embarrassing and wonderful at the same time.
Maybe Charles Barkley will throw his hat in the ring someday.
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But this isnt going to help him win at all
Hell its going to make him impossible to even get added to a ticket as VP or another high profile position.
If you want to abandon certain groups as a Republican its possible (ie ignore the blacks)
But to pee women and Mexicans the freak off?
Its completely bizarre
The same people who fawn over Fox News are finding it 'refreshing'. At least the ones I know. Even the women I know who vote Republican almost all dismiss the excrement with Kelly. It's crazy. People I have always respected are all about Trump, and many of them have been won over since the debates. It's bizarre. It should end, but I'm not positive it will. Smart Republicans should be very afraid of what Trump is doing right now and the audience that's embracing him.
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Mexicans don't vote, and the latest polls show that his spat with Kelly had no real effect on the women vote.
I actually saw something interesting in my Facebook feed. A Puerto Rican friend of mine posted his latest thing with that Univision reporter that was making a scene, and I saw Hispanics actually defend trump. Of course they prefaced it with "not a fan of trump, but..."
And the less he apologizes the better. If he had apologized about the kelly blood comment, then it would go down as he actually meant blood coming out of her snatch. If he apologized about his Mexican illegal comment then it would be admitting that he thinks they're all criminals. That's not what he meant of course, and now people have time to convince themselves that. It's actually a really interesting thing.
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Why is illegal immigration such a divisive issue amongst Latino-Americans anyway? If you're a voter then that means you're already a citizen of this country. If anything they should welcome steps to curb illegal immigration. Funny how the topic has turned into a Hispanic issue.
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Why is illegal immigration such a divisive issue amongst Latino-Americans anyway? If you're a voter then that means you're already a citizen of this country. If anything they should welcome steps to curb illegal immigration. Funny how the topic has turned into a Hispanic issue.
Presumably because not everyone is a believer in pulling up the ladder behind them.
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Why is illegal immigration such a divisive issue amongst Latino-Americans anyway? If you're a voter then that means you're already a citizen of this country. If anything they should welcome steps to curb illegal immigration. Funny how the topic has turned into a Hispanic issue.
Not a coincidence that the same people who want to let everyone in and legalize them also are vehemently against photo ID for voting.
Also foolish to think that Latinos or any other group all vote the same way for the same reason.
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Why is illegal immigration such a divisive issue amongst Latino-Americans anyway? If you're a voter then that means you're already a citizen of this country. If anything they should welcome steps to curb illegal immigration. Funny how the topic has turned into a Hispanic issue.
They tend to have a soft spot for people who share a background. I know 2nd generation Hispanics who want amnesty. To be honest, they're more concerned with people Americanizing themselves. As one guy I know said "Leave it to Mexicans to work as cleaning people and then go ruin things by leaving trash and excrement everywhere."
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http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/28/435186527/charts-2016-presidential-donors-millionaires
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The same people who fawn over Fox News are finding it 'refreshing'. At least the ones I know. Even the women I know who vote Republican almost all dismiss the excrement with Kelly. It's crazy. People I have always respected are all about Trump, and many of them have been won over since the debates. It's bizarre. It should end, but I'm not positive it will. Smart Republicans should be very afraid of what Trump is doing right now and the audience that's embracing him.
Just from what I've seen from friends and family, this is dead on. It makes NO sense considering he's pretty much done nothing but snipe back and forth with FOX. The only thing is I'd be interested to read you expand on the last sentence.
I consider myself a moderately intelligent Republican and the only possibility that really scares me right now is the coronation of Queen Hillary. As much as I find Trump to be a clown, he's already starting to make nice with Cruz. He's already talked of his great respect for Carson. Its brilliant. Let me just pal with the one candidate who appeals to the absolute far right that isn't quite in Huckabee/Coulter/Santorum territory, while also establishing and maintaining good relationships to the other outsider who might not have the vote but has the universal respect of most Republican voters and especially the FOX crowd. Oh, they both happen to be minorities! What a fortuitous coincidence! Added bonus, neither is associated with being a dreaded RINO establishment Republican like Jebber or Kasich. Point being, this momentum isn't going anywhere especially when you consider he's starting to pull close to Hillary in national election polls (which admittedly mean next to nothing at this point.) But his camp isn't going to admit that.
Having Ann Coulter announce him by the way was so weird. Considering the fact that all he's really doing is cutting vitriolic heel promos everytime he gets up at a podium and somehow people are eating it up, I was hoping he'd go full heel turn on her and ask her why she continually has a look on her face like she just got a whiff of bad hoo-ha.
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Ted Cruz is far too passing white to be considered a minority.
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Anyone watching the shitshow?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPEN260UsAAu_KM.jpg)
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Anyone watching the shitshow?
I am. It's basically the Trump Show.
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Ted Cruz is far too passing white to be considered a minority.
Cuba is a predominately white country. Not many mestizos there. Cruz and Rubio are definitely white.
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Cuba is a predominately white country. Not many mestizos there. Cruz and Rubio are definitely white.
god dammit
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Ted Cruz, punch able face.
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Ted Cruz, punch able face.
Get that geek out of here.
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Is it just me or have they given up attacking Trump directly? Not feeding the beast I see. Shift in tactics I guess.
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Chris Christie is awesome
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This guy looks like a walking corpse
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Christie is not a good governor, but if a Republican had to win, he scares might scare me the least.
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Christie is not a good governor, but if a Republican had to win, he scares might scare me the least.
Why isn't he a good governor?
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Weird that Jeb, George, and George Sr all have completely different accents.
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Ben Carson reminds me of those really nice professors that let you hand in reports late without taking a grade off, but will give you a solid lecture about how you can't get away with it in the real world.
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Why isn't he a good governor?
I really don't follow politics that closely, but that has been my perception. Between bridgegate and the fact that New Jersey's economy remains in bad shape, it does not appear he has done a good job.
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Weird that Jeb, George, and George Sr all have completely different accents.
They all had different lives geographically. Texas has the strongest accent. HW came there after Massachusetts and Connecticut, W spent almost his whole life there, and Jeb has been in Florida for 30 years. It's only natural their accents would shift.
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I really don't follow politics that closely, but that has been my perception. Between bridgegate and the fact that New Jersey's economy remains in bad shape, it does not appear he has done a good job.
Really? Unemployment in NJ has dipped from 9.1 in 2007 to 5.9 last month. I'd say that's pretty good.
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They all had different lives geographically. Texas has the strongest accent. HW came there after Massachusetts and Connecticut, W spent almost his whole life there, and Jeb has been in Florida for 30 years. It's only natural their accents would shift.
Still pretty unusual. In fact, I have a more Manhattan accent and my sister sounds like Rosy Perez. So I guess it isn't that weird.
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Still pretty unusual. In fact, I have a more Manhattan accent and my sister sounds like Rosy Perez. So I guess it isn't that weird.
what is this post
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what is this post
I'm drunk, smoked some weed, and took a Valium earlier.
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I'm drunk, smoked some weed, and took a Valium earlier.
Yeah I probably wouldn't do that. If you combine that with being a Jets fan, it's too many depressants.
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Yeah I probably wouldn't do that. If you combine that with being a Jets fan, it's too many depressants.
Yeah but I have an insanely high opinion of myself so it evens out.
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Ben Carson trying not to call Trump an idiot about vaccinations
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Ben Carson trying not to call Trump an idiot about vaccinations
I googled Trump Vaccinations and this is what came up
Donald J. TrumpVerified account
@realDonaldTrump
I am being proven right about massive vaccinations—the doctors lied. Save our children & their future.
Us smart folk stick together
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I'm watching it now
Trump excrement on Rand Paul to open the debate. Then he shits on Scott Walker.
This is why people like him.
John Kasich is the best sleeping pill I've watched on TV in a long time.
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Just excrement all over Jeb when it comes to donors.
What is actually said doesn't even matter anymore. People will remember that Trump beat up on the other candidates and he's proven his dominance over them. People aren't smart enough to remember anything else.
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There's no way Ted Cruz hasn't ingested another gentlemen's reproductive emissions.
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Scott Walker - Downs? Or Aspergers?
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Cruz reminds me of a movie villain. He's the kind of guy that gets beat up by the gigolo because he's 10 bucks short.
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Huckabee equated gitmo detainees to a clerk denying people the right to marry. He's adorable.
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Christie's economic record is a D-
He's going to drop out of the race before Cruz does. My own prediction.
Why are the journalists such pussies? Stop someone from talking.
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Fiorina had an emotional outburst about tapes that don't show what she said. Godbless.
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I quit. It got boring.
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Oddly enough, Ted Cruz reminds me of that creepy guy in the movie "Ted" that wants Ted for his son.
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Oddly enough, Ted Cruz reminds me of that creepy guy in the movie "Ted" that wants Ted for his son.
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Heismanberg likes your post.
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Ted Cruz reminds me of a melting wax figure.
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Ted Cruz reminds me of a melting wax figure.
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That scene absolutely terrified me when I was a child.
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That scene absolutely terrified me when I was a child.
Holy excrement me too. My brother and I had to run out of the room.
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Holy excrement me too. My brother and I had to run out of the room.
and then you got into a fist fight over the remote
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I googled Trump Vaccinations and this is what came up
I googled Trump Nigga and this is what came up:
"@ERC_DLG: Tom brady a cheating derriere donald trump supporting bitch nigga so dont even mention him"
"@rickyy_14: This nigga trump is a dickhead @realDonaldTrump"
"@Nat3Th3Gr3at: After watching tht debate last night I really fuxx wits Trump. Nigga kept excrement 100"
"@ComicKelevra: watch how fast we all die when this nigga trump win smh"
"@ShaeFromTheLou: I don't like Donald Trump but I gotta be honest nigga funny af on the GOP Debate last night"
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"@Suge55: Donald Trump trynna kick all of my people out freak that nigga"
"@ImDatNigga_Mal: Tom Brady like Trump ? He a freak nigga now"
"@MonnieIsham: This nigga voting for Donald trump."
"@ChubbyPussyLips: If you 18 or older go vote cause this nigga Donald trump cannot be president."
"@thrillarybanks: Donald Trump a illllll nigga"
"@JCP_7: Trump the nigga to diss you then dap you up"
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Trump is gonna win
/realtalk
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Trump is gonna win
/realtalk
When keepin it real goes wrong.
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Where are Jindal and Kasich?
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Where are Jindal and Kasich?
Probably off eating some dicks
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Where are Jindal and Kasich?
Same place as Pataki and Graham.
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Looks like the Wisconsin Wonder is dropping out tonight.
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Well now, this is interesting.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-reignites-feud-fox-news-n432386?cid=sm_fb
Fox have been essential to the Republican narrative for a good few years now. If Trump gets the nomination without their support it's going to be a big problem for them, but it will be really interesting to see if he can do it without them - I suspect that there are a reasonable number of voter who pretty much go along with whatever Fox tells them. (It's a proven phenomenon here and in other countries - Murdoch's media empire played a huge role in getting Blair elected, for example.)
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Trump is done, but it's not because of Fox. He's sliding in the polls because of the debate and his response to that asshat who said Obama is not an American and is a Muslim.
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Trump is done, but it's not because of Fox. He's sliding in the polls because of the debate and his response to that asshat who said Obama is not an American and is a Muslim.
That was Fuckn stupid. How hard is it to say"Muslims are not a problem in this country. Islamic extremism is a problem in this world." Problem solved, and both sides would agree.
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That was Fuckn stupid. How hard is it to say"Muslims are not a problem in this country. Islamic extremism is a problem in this world." Problem solved, and both sides would agree.
I agree that Trump is an idiot
But no matter how he answered that question he would be branded a racist and a bad person by the left
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I agree that Trump is an idiot
But no matter how he answered that question he would be branded a racist and a bad person by the left
Yeah but it would've been a lot easier to defend.
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There are 10 more debates. He may slide now but at the next debate when he obliterates everyone again and two more idiots drop out his numbers will rise.
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There are 10 more debates. He may slide now but at the next debate when he obliterates everyone again and two more idiots drop out his numbers will rise.
This is key. Trump can afford to stay in until the nomination is official. Others will have to drop out when they poll low because they won't be able to financially support continuing.
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I agree that Trump is an idiot
But no matter how he answered that question he would be branded a racist and a bad person by the left
What does the left have to do with this? You're so obsessed with the left's opinion that you're inserting them into an unrelated conversation. Why should he care what the left says right now? They're not voting in the Republican primaries? He looked worse the way he answered to both sides.
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What does the left have to do with this? You're so obsessed with the left's opinion that you're inserting them into an unrelated conversation. Why should he care what the left says right now? They're not voting in the Republican primaries? He looked worse the way he answered to both sides.
Did you see what Tommy said? That both sides of the aisle would have been happy with Trumps answer had he said whatever
I think Trump is an idiot regardless, and the sooner he's out of the primary the better
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I think that most people from all political viewpoints largely agree on what Trump is, racist and bad person being only two of those things. The only people who actually want Trump to be POTUS are complete nutters, and the fratbro types who think he's the best candidate because he'd provide the greatest amusement value. They're what we in Canada like to refer to as "Ford Nation".
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There are 10 more debates. He may slide now but at the next debate when he obliterates everyone again and two more idiots drop out his numbers will rise.
I think the dropouts would give bumps to Bush and Rubio.
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Did you see what Tommy said? That both sides of the aisle would have been happy with Trumps answer had he said whatever
I think Trump is an idiot regardless, and the sooner he's out of the primary the better
Listen. I think it's pretty freaking clear that I didn't even remotely carefully read Tommy's response and therefore embarrassed myself.
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Trump unveiled his tax plan:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform
Also, I think he read some of my posts judging by new details of his immigration plan:
"The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream."
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I didn't read any of that. Can out shorten it for me. I won't read that either.
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I didn't read any of that. Can out shorten it for me. I won't read that either.
Trump
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I don't support Ben Carson, mainly because he has zero management or political experience, but it's funny how he's getting blasted for saying that he wouldn't support a Muslim candidate if they are beholden to Sharia law. He didn't say he wouldn't support any Muslim candidate. The pitchfork crap is so dumb.
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This Cummins guy seems to be making a bunch of sense at the planned parenthood hearings. Of course, he'll be ignored.
And this Jordan jackass is arguing semantics. What a freaking dunce.
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I don't support Ben Carson, mainly because he has zero management or political experience, but it's funny how he's getting blasted for saying that he wouldn't support a Muslim candidate if they are beholden to Sharia law. He didn't say he wouldn't support any Muslim candidate. The pitchfork crap is so dumb.
Everyone loves a good pitchfork. I hear so much half baked excrement from both sides right now. It's frustrating.
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Everyone loves a good pitchfork. I hear so much half baked excrement from both sides right now. It's frustrating.
Yeah, it's by no means limited to one side.
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I don't support Ben Carson, mainly because he has zero management or political experience, but it's funny how he's getting blasted for saying that he wouldn't support a Muslim candidate if they are beholden to Sharia law. He didn't say he wouldn't support any Muslim candidate. The pitchfork crap is so dumb.
He answered the question right and gets flamed for it. Sad.
I'd like to poll Americans and find out how many of them have an understanding of Sharia Law.
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He answered the question right and gets flamed for it. Sad.
I'd like to poll Americans and find out how many of them have an understanding of Sharia Law.
They would think Sharia is a hood rat and why is she laying down the law.
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They would think Sharia is a hood rat and why is she laying down the law.
haha, what's funny is that Sharia Law is really just someone who observes Islam with great dedication. It's not necessarily someone who believes in stoning someone because their burka caught a gust of wind and an ankle was shown. That's fundamentalism. The Christian or the Jewish creeps can be just as creepy but non-violent, or even those creepy freaking Mormon's that are now walking around Staten Island in their jacket-less shirt and tie combo that screams "I freak kids, or I want 3 wives and treat them in a manner that breaks their spirit. Oh, my magic underwear protects me and I think a 14 year old bundle of sticks from Utah was the messiah."
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haha, what's funny is that Sharia Law is really just someone who observes Islam with great dedication. It's not necessarily someone who believes in stoning someone because their burka caught a gust of wind and an ankle was shown. That's fundamentalism. The Christian or the Jewish creeps can be just as creepy but non-violent, or even those creepy freaking Mormon's that are now walking around Staten Island in their jacket-less shirt and tie combo that screams "I freak kids, or I want 3 wives and treat them in a manner that breaks their spirit. Oh, my magic underwear protects me and I think a 14 year old bundle of sticks from Utah was the messiah."
What's even funnier is that before Islam became the great Western devil, the right wing gobshites could often be heard parroting how in Saudi Arabia they cut the hands off thieves and how that's the way to deal with criminal scum.
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This whole circus is like The Bachelor. It's a shame that the prize isn't some skank with Daddy issues. It's the most powerful office in the land.
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This whole circus is like The Bachelor. It's a shame that the prize isn't some skank with Daddy issues. It's the most powerful office in the land.
Murica babby........
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Murica babby........
Hmmm. Good point.
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Even if he did say he wouldn't vote for a Muslim, I'd have a hard time criticizing him when Romney's religion would have made it impossible for me to support him. Of course, the bit of Islam I know from friends is infinitely preferable to the Mormonism I know from friends and family.
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Even if he did say he wouldn't vote for a Muslim, I'd have a hard time criticizing him when Romney's religion would have made it impossible for me to support him. Of course, the bit of Islam I know from friends is infinitely preferable to the Mormonism I know from friends and family.
A Mormon Bishop in the white house. No one said excrement about that during the election because of the Mormon's on the left side of the isle and the fact that media outlets agreed to not talk about it. So gay.
He's a freaking Mormon Bishop. That should've scared people.
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haha, what's funny is that Sharia Law is really just someone who observes Islam with great dedication. It's not necessarily someone who believes in stoning someone because their burka caught a gust of wind and an ankle was shown. That's fundamentalism. The Christian or the Jewish creeps can be just as creepy but non-violent, or even those creepy freaking Mormon's that are now walking around Staten Island in their jacket-less shirt and tie combo that screams "I freak kids, or I want 3 wives and treat them in a manner that breaks their spirit. Oh, my magic underwear protects me and I think a 14 year old bundle of sticks from Utah was the messiah."
I wouldn't vote for anyone who observes their religion with great dedication. Not that anyone like that is currently in the race, most of the professed Christians pick and choose which parts of the Bible count to them.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/09/29/donald-trumps-first-cabinet-pick-is-just-as-controversial-as-he-is-and-a-lot-richer/?tid=sm_fb
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I respect Icahn.
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I respect Icahn.
He has a stadium named after him.
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I respect Icahn.
As do I, in the same way I respect a great white shark.
I would not allow a great white shark to make decisions regarding the welfare of anyone other than himself, because that's not how great white sharks are wired to be.
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As do I, in the same way I respect a great white shark.
I would not allow a great white shark to make decisions regarding the welfare of anyone other than himself, because that's not how great white sharks are wired to be.
Do you even know what the Dept of the Treasury does?
http://www.treasury.gov/about/role-of-treasury/Pages/default.aspx
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Do you even know what the Dept of the Treasury does?
http://www.treasury.gov/about/role-of-treasury/Pages/default.aspx
The fact that you equate economic prosperity with Icahn makes me question whether you do.
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The fact that you equate economic prosperity with Icahn makes me question whether you do.
He's a successful businessman and executive and has made a fortune managing other people's finances. Sounds like a guy I wouldn't mind looking over our books.
Are the only people qualified for public office are those that are just a little bit successful? Perhaps just career politicians.
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He's a successful businessman and executive and has made a fortune managing other people's finances. Sounds like a guy I wouldn't mind looking over our books.
Are the only people qualified for public office are those that are just a little bit successful? Perhaps just career politicians.
There's no reason that highly successful businesspeople shouldn't take public office, and plenty of good reasons why we might want them to. I'm not sure someone who has made their money via the corporate version of pinning a smaller kid against the wall and demanding his lunch money is particularly well suited.
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As do I, in the same way I respect a great white shark.
I would not allow a great white shark to make decisions regarding the welfare of anyone other than himself, because that's not how great white sharks are wired to be.
freak Icahn
Icahn does one thing and one thing only, anything that benefits Carl Icahn.
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freak Icahn
Icahn does one thing and one thing only, anything that benefits Carl Icahn.
And he does that well. He's made his billions. There's no financial incentive to being treasury secretary unless you're trying to further your own career.
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Just saw the perfect comment about Cruz on Reddit:
"Ted Cruz's face always looks like it's so sad to be his face."
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And he does that well. He's made his billions. There's no financial incentive to being treasury secretary unless you're trying to further your own career.
The next step in Icahn's career is the grave, he's 79. I hate(d) the gun he put to Tim Cook's head, I wanted Icahn to get punched in the face for that. He almost singlehandily blackmailed the most successful American company.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/3o19io/psbattle_jeb_bush_pointing_in_front_of_a_green/
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I might actually tune in for this one.
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#NiggaTrump
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What he means is that someone on his staff that is more politically savvy will be live tweeting as Trump.
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He stole half the headlines today about the debate. Nigga knows what he's doing.
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webb is freaking insane. and he spent all his time complaining about how he didnt have enough time.
webb and chafee need to drop. i think o'malley came off really good last night. ideally, we have bernie vs hilary by the 3rd debate, cause these other guys are wasting time.
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^Webb and Chafee wouldn't even last three seconds on the retard second stage debates that got Rick Perry out of the race. And I like Webb.
If you're inclined to vote for Bernie, aside from downplaying behavior that gets you or I thrown in jail, I don't think he did anything to lose a voter. Granted I'm coming from a place of immense personal bias, but Hillary's attempt to paint herself on an outsider based on nothing but her cooter makes me want to freaking puke. And I've never seen a candidate basically refuse to answer a question and plead the 5th before so publicly. Followed by a laugh of course.
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^Webb and Chafee wouldn't even last three seconds on the retard second stage debates that got Rick Perry out of the race. And I like Webb.
If you're inclined to vote for Bernie, aside from downplaying behavior that gets you or I thrown in jail, I don't think he did anything to lose a voter. Granted I'm coming from a place of immense personal bias, but Hillary's attempt to paint herself on an outsider based on nothing but her cooter makes me want to freaking puke. And I've never seen a candidate basically refuse to answer a question and plead the 5th before so publicly. Followed by a laugh of course.
She's frightening. She's a female Patrick Bateman.
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^Webb and Chafee wouldn't even last three seconds on the retard second stage debates that got Rick Perry out of the race. And I like Webb.
If you're inclined to vote for Bernie, aside from downplaying behavior that gets you or I thrown in jail, I don't think he did anything to lose a voter. Granted I'm coming from a place of immense personal bias, but Hillary's attempt to paint herself on an outsider based on nothing but her cooter makes me want to freaking puke. And I've never seen a candidate basically refuse to answer a question and plead the 5th before so publicly. Followed by a laugh of course.
"How would electing you be any different than a 3rd Obama term."
"I have a vagina"
(crowd applauds)
what the freak??
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Hillary needs to DIAF
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"How would electing you be any different than a 3rd Obama term."
"I have a vagina"
(crowd applauds)
what the freak??
I hate people
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^Webb and Chafee wouldn't even last three seconds on the retard second stage debates that got Rick Perry out of the race. And I like Webb.
If you're inclined to vote for Bernie, aside from downplaying behavior that gets you or I thrown in jail, I don't think he did anything to lose a voter. Granted I'm coming from a place of immense personal bias, but Hillary's attempt to paint herself on an outsider based on nothing but her cooter makes me want to freaking puke. And I've never seen a candidate basically refuse to answer a question and plead the 5th before so publicly. Followed by a laugh of course.
Hang on, still laughing at cooter.
Ok, done.
Yes.
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Political debate now consists solely of trying to prove how very different you are from the other side. It really doesn't even matter if you have any legitimately good or plausible ideas. You can go far just by demonstrating how not Republican or not Democrat you are so that your target party members can jerk themselves off to the thought of laughing at those idiots on the other side of the aisle.
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This fake tweet has been sent to me a bunch. Is Trump really out of controversial stuff that people have to go and make excrement up?
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http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/28/452701304/the-third-gop-debate-in-100-words-and-3-video-clips
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Those racist Republicans and their support for a black candidate:
http://nypost.com/2015/10/30/the-ben-carson-secret-that-democrats-cant-bear-to-face/
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Those racist Republicans and their support for a black candidate:
http://nypost.com/2015/10/30/the-ben-carson-secret-that-democrats-cant-bear-to-face/
A bunch of people I know just call him an Uncle Tom
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Those racist Republicans and their support for a black candidate:
http://nypost.com/2015/10/30/the-ben-carson-secret-that-democrats-cant-bear-to-face/
Some of his hair is white.
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I vote for Ralph Herbert Mountain Dew Comancho Sanchez
"You can get me pardoned?"
"freak YEAH!"
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Those racist Republicans and their support for a black candidate:
http://nypost.com/2015/10/30/the-ben-carson-secret-that-democrats-cant-bear-to-face/
Ehhhhh. Alan Keyes got plenty of attention for being black before Obama was elected. I don't think the novelty is as powerful. Personally, I think Carson is a dreadful candidate. He reminds me of a lot of people I know who have allowed politics to subvert their highly capable minds. The kinds of people who deny science because their party has told them to. When he opens his mouth, I sometimes find it completely incongruous to the fact that he's a neurosurgeon.
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Those racist Republicans and their support for a black candidate:
http://nypost.com/2015/10/30/the-ben-carson-secret-that-democrats-cant-bear-to-face/
I think the problem with Carson isn't that he's black, it's that he's clearly insane.
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Classy:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uDW1R9OmOr0
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Classy:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uDW1R9OmOr0
That little girl's medieval haircut is offensive.
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That was cringeworthy. I couldn't even get to the piñata part.
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http://imgur.com/Zi0jHfa
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http://imgur.com/Zi0jHfa
Right, so Hillary's campaign team came up with this devious plan to set Trump and Sanders against each other and then left digital graffiti tying them to the whole Machiavellian scheme in the code, visible to anyone who just presses F12? Sorry, not buying that.
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Right, so Hillary's campaign team came up with this devious plan to set Trump and Sanders against each other and then left digital graffiti tying them to the whole Machiavellian scheme in the code, visible to anyone who just presses F12? Sorry, not buying that.
Hah, politics is dirty. Who the hell knows?
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Right, so Hillary's campaign team came up with this devious plan to set Trump and Sanders against each other and then left digital graffiti tying them to the whole Machiavellian scheme in the code, visible to anyone who just presses F12? Sorry, not buying that.
It doesn't say it's Hillary. It says it's a grassroots campaign that supports Hillary. She may have no affiliation, and she has plausible deniability even if she is affiliated.
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It doesn't say it's Hillary. It says it's a grassroots campaign that supports Hillary. She may have no affiliation, and she has plausible deniability even if she is affiliated.
Either explanation is more likely than Sanders having anything to do with it.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/ronda-rousey-endorses-democratic-presidential-candidate-bernie-sanders-214447869-mma.html
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/jeb-bush-kill-baby-hitler-231925681.html
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That Jeb Bush thing made me cry out laughing on the subway.
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http://www.npr.org/2015/11/20/456633512/what-the-2016-candidates-would-do-about-isis-in-one-chart
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http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-34902694
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From the Sanders campaign:
Here is the very sad truth: it is very difficult for the American people to keep up with the mass shootings we seem to see every day in the news. Yesterday, San Bernardino. Last week, Colorado Springs. Last month, Colorado Springs again. Newtown, Aurora, Tucson, Isla Vista, Virginia Tech, Navy Yard, Roseburg, and far too many others.
The crisis of gun violence has reached epidemic levels in this country to the point that we are averaging more than one mass shooting per day. Now, I am going to tell you something that most candidates wouldn’t say: I am not sure there is a magical answer to how we end gun violence in America. But I do know that while thoughts and prayers are important, they are insufficient and it is long past time for action.
That’s why I want to talk to you today about a few concrete actions we should take as a country that will save lives.
Add your name in support of the following commonsense measures Congress can take to make our communities safer from gun violence.
1. We can expand background checks to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the dangerously mentally ill. This is an idea that over 80% of Americans agree with, even a majority of gun owners.
2. & 3. We can renew the assault weapons ban and end the sale of high capacity magazines — military-style tools created for the purpose of killing people as efficiently as possible.
4. Since 2004, over 2,000 people on the FBI’s terrorist watch list have legally purchased guns in the United States. Let’s close the “terror gap” and make sure known foreign and domestic terrorists are included on prohibited purchaser lists.
5. We can close loopholes in our laws that allow perpetrators of stalking and dating violence to buy guns. In the United States, the intended targets of a majority of our mass shootings are intimate partners or family members, and over 60% of victims are women and children. Indeed, a woman is five times more likely to die in a domestic violence incident when a gun is present.
6. We should close the loophole that allows prohibited purchasers to buy a gun without a completed background check after a three-day waiting period expires. Earlier this year, Dylann Roof shot and killed nine of our fellow Americans while they prayed in a historic church, simply because of the color of their skin. This act of terror was possible because of loopholes in our background check laws. Congress should act to ensure the standard for ALL gun purchases is a completed background check. No check — no sale.
7. It’s time to pass federal gun trafficking laws. I support Kirsten Gillibrand’s Hadiya Pendleton and Nyasia Pryear-Yard Gun Trafficking & Crime Prevention Act of 2015, which would “make gun trafficking a federal crime and provide tools to law enforcement to get illegal guns off the streets and away from criminal networks and street gangs.”
8. It’s time to strengthen penalties for straw purchasers who buy guns from licensed dealers on behalf of a prohibited purchaser.
9. We must authorize resources for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to study and research the causes and effects of gun violence in the United States of America.
10. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there are over 21,000 firearm suicides every year in the United States. It’s time we expand and improve our mental health capabilities in this country so that people who need care can get care when they need it, regardless of their level of income.
Earlier today, the U.S. Senate voted against non-binding legislation to expand background checks, close the “terror gap,” and improve our mental health systems. I voted for all three, although each of them came up short.
They failed for the same reason the bipartisan Manchin-Toomey legislation failed in 2013, just months after the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School: because of the financial political power of a gun lobby that has bought candidates and elections for the better part of the last several decades.
In 2014 alone, the gun lobby spent over $30 million on political advertising and lobbying to influence legislators in Congress and state capitals across the country. And just last month, it was reported that the Koch brothers made a $5 million contribution to the NRA.
Americans of all political stripes agree. It's time to address the all too common scene of our neighbors being killed. It's time to pass a common sense package of gun safety legislation.
With your help, that's what we’ll do when I’m president.
In solidarity,
Bernie Sanders
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What the freak is he talking about? It's very clear that the answer is the following:
- Guns
- Prayers
- More guns
- Deny that it's a normal thing
- Bigger guns
- Stop immigration
- More bigger guns
freaking idiot.
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What the freak is he talking about? It's very clear that the answer is the following:
- Guns
- Prayers
- More guns
- Deny that it's a normal thing
- Bigger guns
- Stop immigration
- More bigger guns
freaking idiot.
It's a good thing that France's strict gun laws and no "right to bear arms", plus ban on assault rifles prevented two mass shootings with Fuckn assault rifles just this year.
We can harp about gun laws all we want, but it's obviously not the only issue.
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Right. Those ridiculous laws didn't prevent two mass shootings. It's a good thing we have our laws so we can have more mass shootings in the United States than days in this calendar year.
It's certainly a complex problem, but that's an awful argument.
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It's a good thing that France's strict gun laws and no "right to bear arms", plus ban on assault rifles prevented two mass shootings with Fuckn assault rifles just this year.
We can harp about gun laws all we want, but it's obviously not the only issue.
If you told me we could have two mass shootings next year, I'd sign up for gun control in a heartbeat. We have 16 times as many homicides by gun per capita in this country as France and 170 times as many mass shootings this year.
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Let's switch the War on Drugs to the War on Guns.
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Let's switch the War on Drugs to the War on Guns.
"Don't shoot. Shoot up."
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If you told me we could have two mass shootings next year, I'd sign up for gun control in a heartbeat. We have 16 times as many homicides by gun per capita in this country as France and 170 times as many mass shootings this year.
Gun violence is a serious issue in this country, and I would never dispute that. I'm also not tied to the second amendment either. There should absolutely be tighter gun controls. It should be extremely difficult and expensive to obtain a gun. But we need both sides to actually have a discussion as to what the best way would be to go about that. As of now one side is sticking to the second amendment like its gospel, and the other side is saying that "something should be done" and criticizing the other side for not caring. Concrete ideas please. But this is the U.S. Government. Health care will always be an issue and so will gun violence. If we're going to have gun violence, we may as well focus our efforts on what brings people to kill others. Poverty, mental illness, and tight border control or maybe even if the NSA would do its damn job and find out who's likely to perform these acts before they happen.
We just found out that the attackers pledged their loyalty to ISIS and it was all over their social media accounts etc. If that NSA program does exist, then it isn't doing a very good job.
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Gun violence is a serious issue in this country, and I would never dispute that. I'm also not tied to the second amendment either. There should absolutely be tighter gun controls. It should be extremely difficult and expensive to obtain a gun. But we need both sides to actually have a discussion as to what the best way would be to go about that. As of now one side is sticking to the second amendment like its gospel, and the other side is saying that "something should be done" and criticizing the other side for not caring. Concrete ideas please. But this is the U.S. Government. Health care will always be an issue and so will gun violence. If we're going to have gun violence, we may as well focus our efforts on what brings people to kill others. Poverty, mental illness, and tight border control or maybe even if the NSA would do its damn job and find out who's likely to perform these acts before they happen.
We just found out that the attackers pledged their loyalty to ISIS and it was all over their social media accounts etc. If that NSA program does exist, then it isn't doing a very good job.
I don't disagree with any of that other than the NSA bit. That's why I said 'if you told me we could have two shootings". It's not going to happen. Comprehensive change is necessary, but the issue is too divisive and pervasive to actually see that kind of change. Funny enough, the ones who treat the 2nd Amendment as intractable gospel take an awfully liberal view of it.
As for the NSA bit, the last thing I want is more control in its hands. Invading the privacy of 300 million people to save the lives of a few dozen people is a questionable trade off.
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GOP Debate SCORCHING HOT takes
-sizzle
Carly Fiorina is a scary queynte
Ben Carson is an idiot savant
Rubio's ears are absurdly large
Ted Cruz looks like an East Hialeah Cuban with that turkey neck and those beady eyes
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http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/12/trump-leads-grows-nationally-41-of-his-voters-want-to-bomb-country-from-aladdin-clinton-maintains-bi.html
freaking terrorist genie scum.
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As for the NSA bit, the last thing I want is more control in its hands. Invading the privacy of 300 million people to save the lives of a few dozen people is a questionable trade off.
Too late, CISA just got passed
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Too late, CISA just got passed
It wasn't when I posted that, but yes. It's been a dark freaking week.
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Too late, CISA just got passed
Hate how I was momentarily happy because the headline I saw was about NASA getting more money than they asked for... And oh yeah CISA was included in the bill too.
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I don't get how you can throw something like CISA into a NASA spending bill? They do it all the time and it really needs to be stopped. I'm guessing it was part of a negotiation/compromise from both parties?
Bernie Sanders may be a complete crackpot, but I'm thinking I may be willing to deal with some of his radical ideologies if his number one platform is ending political corruption.
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Hillary + Hispandering + Buzzfeed format
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/8-ways-hillary-clinton-just-your-abuela/
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Hillary + Hispandering + Buzzfeed format
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/8-ways-hillary-clinton-just-your-abuela/
awful
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This is pretty great. Just an FYI, but the Inland Empire is the greater region that San Bernardino is in. It's all farmland and industry and very right wing. It's also the most white trash part of Southern California (though not the majority), and San Bernardino is its biggest ghetto. This sign would have been seen by a lot of people traveling to and from Vegas.
http://abc7.com/news/corona-caltrans-sign-hacked-with-pro-trump-message/1137513/
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http://theslot.jezebel.com/clinton-and-sanders-beefing-directly-about-healthcare-a-1752741186
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Perfect
http://www.npr.org/2016/01/19/463633573/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump
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Perfect
http://www.npr.org/2016/01/19/463633573/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump
Why does this make total sense?
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And almost simultaneously:
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/track-palin-charged-with-assault-weapon-possession-while-intoxicated-w162089
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And almost simultaneously:
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/track-palin-charged-with-assault-weapon-possession-while-intoxicated-w162089
His name is Track. This was was going to happen sooner or later.
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Why does this make total sense?
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2502604.1453262610!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/front-jan20.jpg?enlarged)
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The Daily News has become even worse than the Post with the hate-mongering. They're basically just polar opposites of each other at this point.
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This is a hilarious story but I'm getting sick of the overuse and misuse of the word "troll".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/saudi-prince-alwaleed-donald-trump_us_56aafa72e4b0010e80e99806?
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I thought Trump skipping the last debate was a brilliant move. With his poll numbers, all it could do is hurt him, and instead he let the rest of the guys take shots at Cruz. Say what you will, but the guy definitely knows what he's doing.
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I'm still waiting for Trump to fade. Please?
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I'm still waiting for Trump to fade. Please?
Between Trump and Cruz I think Trump might be the less scary option.
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Between Trump and Cruz I think Trump might be the less scary option.
My cat's turd would be less scary.
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My cat's turd would be less scary.
I'd vote for it over them.
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Between Trump and Cruz I think Trump might be the less scary option.
What, you're not board with creating a Christian caliphate?
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What, you're not board with creating a Christian caliphate?
Haha yeah. I think I'm less scared of the guy who worships money.
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https://youtu.be/rf9DxqI-jnw
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I've never been this interested in Iowa.
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I've never been this interested in Iowa.
Is this heaven?
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RIP O'Malley
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Why do I feel so disappointed by Trump losing Iowa? I need to stop following politics.
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Why do I feel so disappointed by Trump losing Iowa? I need to stop following politics.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2deVEgBIP7s/VrAje1Gm_XI/AAAAAAAAHHg/ovyDJhiOXjw/w56-h79-no/Bryant.png)
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Farewell, Rand Paul.
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your dad is cooler and you're kind of a hoo-ha. cya
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your dad is cooler and you're kind of a hoo-ha. cya
And you're named after a crazy bitch, hoo-ha.
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Still better than the rest of his peers.
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This whole election makes me wish we could go back to Bush vs Kerry.
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Still better than the rest of his peers.
He says some crazy excrement just like the rest of them, and flip flops just like the rest of them as well. When he sticks to what I believe are his core beliefs, I like the guy, and hopefully he can get back there now that's he's focusing on just being a senator.
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This is beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O74XDI-o7xc
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http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/02/04/jesse-watters-finds-out-how-much-bernie-sanders-fans-actually-know-about-him
Oregon, your students, woof.
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NPR, what the freak are you doing?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160209/ec097ca698ed1777a22762cf40c105c5.jpg)
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NPR, what the freak are you doing?
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160209/ec097ca698ed1777a22762cf40c105c5.jpg)
Oh because wanting to spend federal funds on infrastructure is such a unique position.
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http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/02/04/jesse-watters-finds-out-how-much-bernie-sanders-fans-actually-know-about-him
Oregon, your students, woof.
Love it. Bill O'Reilly has had the best news editorial show on TV for ages.
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Love it. Bill O'Reilly has had the best news editorial show on TV for ages.
It was funny, but the thing about segments like these is that you can interview 100 people and you just pick the 10 that have no clue what they're talking about and air it. I think most voters in general are uninformed about the issues. Especially college students.
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https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/696686082524471297
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It was funny, but the thing about segments like these is that you can interview 100 people and you just pick the 10 that have no clue what they're talking about and air it. I think most voters in general are uninformed about the issues. Especially college students.
They could put together a 10 episode miniseries if they interviewed you.
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It was funny, but the thing about segments like these is that you can interview 100 people and you just pick the 10 that have no clue what they're talking about and air it. I think most voters in general are uninformed about the issues. Especially college students.
Oh, of course. That's why I love him, though. He has the best producers out there, and he puts excrement like that on his correspondents rather than on himself. His on air work is masterful. It's no wonder people buy into his views 100%.
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Trump and Sanders win NH.
Christie probably single-ha deadly destroyed Rubio's campaign.
Well, Rubio kind of did that to himself.
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Trump and Sanders win NH.
Christie probably single-ha deadly destroyed Rubio's campaign.
Well, Rubio kind of did that to himself.
I can see why you would think that, but let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. Barack Obama is undertaking a systematic effort to change this country, to make America more like the rest of the world. When I'm president of the United States, we are going to re-embrace all the things that made America the greatest nation in the world and we are going to leave our children with what they deserve: the single greatest nation in the history of the world.
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Christie dropped out. Fucked Rubio and then droppedhimself.
I like the cut of his jib
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Christie dropped out. Fucked Rubio and then droppedhimself.
I like the cut of his jib
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He'll be getting a nice gift from Trump soon.
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Even Democrats don't apparently want to listen to Hillary screeching for another four years.
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Also, I knew Woody was backing Bush but I didn't realize he was his financial officer or whatever they call it. Kind of makes sense when you think about it, he's in the familiar position of competing for something without a snowball's chance of actually winning it.
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Also, I knew Woody was backing Bush but I didn't realize he was his financial officer or whatever they call it. Kind of makes sense when you think about it, he's in the familiar position of competing for something without a snowball's chance of actually winning it.
Buuuuuuuurn.
poopchute.
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Even Democrats don't apparently want to listen to Hillary screeching for another four years.
Yeah but she'll win anyway because of all those stupid super-delegates which makes the whole Democratic Primary pointless.
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Yeah but she'll win anyway because of all those stupid super-delegates which makes the whole Democratic Primary pointless.
I was just hearing about that, so what's the point of people voting? Maybe that's why they had almost nobody run in an open year. I was wondering why only 2 or 3 people jumped in the race with no incumbent.
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Yeah but she'll win anyway because of all those stupid super-delegates which makes the whole Democratic Primary pointless.
I keep hoping that something like this will happen to get people to demand changes in the electoral system.
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Christie dropped out. Fucked Rubio and then droppedhimself.
I like the cut of his jib
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freak him. I like Rubio a lot more than Cruz and Trump.
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The only choice I kind of like is Sanders as president with enough opposition to his more extreme economic policies to make them sane. That's the best case in my head and it's still pretty meh.
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I can see why you would think that, but let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. Barack Obama is undertaking a systematic effort to change this country, to make America more like the rest of the world. When I'm president of the United States, we are going to re-embrace all the things that made America the greatest nation in the world and we are going to leave our children with what they deserve: the single greatest nation in the history of the world.
I've been seeing this copy pasta in a few places... wtf is it from?
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The only choice I kind of like is Sanders as president with enough opposition to his more extreme economic policies to make them sane. That's the best case in my head and it's still pretty meh.
Yeah. I've never been so disillusioned with the electoral process in this country. No matter who wins, we all lose.
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https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/696686082524471297
Feminists arguing with a gay.
Don't those dumb cunts know they're all on the same team?!?
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I've been seeing this copy pasta in a few places... wtf is it from?
Marco Rubio's rehearsed bit from the last debate. He said almost exactly the same thing 3-4 times and Christie called him out on it.
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Yeah. I've never been so disillusioned with the electoral process in this country. No matter who wins, we all lose.
You're gonna have to be more specific.
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I keep hoping that something like this will happen to get people to demand changes in the electoral system.
I just looked up the 2008 Democratic primary. It already happened then. Clinton won the popular vote but Barack got more delegates. Won more states though.
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I just looked up the 2008 Democratic primary. It already happened then. Clinton won the popular vote but Barack got more delegates. Won more states though.
That's not what I'm talking about. That situation took place with Bush and Gore in a regular election. I'm talking about getting beaten in the standard delegate count and winning the election with Super Delegates after the people set an electoral mandate. I don't think that day is coming, but I hope so. I give Sanders approximately a 1% chance of winning the nomination. I'd much rather see him lose the nomination after winning the highest number of delegates.
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freak him. I like Rubio a lot more than Cruz and Trump.
Rubio is the only one of the GOP candidates who doesn't instantly make me want to throw my television out of the window.
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Rubio is the only one of the GOP candidates who doesn't instantly make me want to throw my television out of the window.
Same, I would probably vote for him over either Democrat if he somehow got it. Seems more likely that I'll vote for Gary Johnson again.
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Same, I would probably vote for him over either Democrat if he somehow got it. Seems more likely that I'll vote for Gary Johnson again.
Woooooooo.
My state is going Demodefault per usual. My vote is going to Johnson unless he doesn't get the Libertarian nomination.
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Can't stump the Trump
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I don't think I could vote for Ted Cruz even if I agreed with all of his views, strictly because of his face. He looks like someone made him eat a pile of excrement and chase it with lemon juice.
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Can't stump the Trump
Back in the summer I made a bet with a buddy of mine that Trump would win the nomination. This was back when his campaign was looked at as some kind of joke. He said there was zero chance. Gave me 10-1. We bet $100.
He's begging me to go double or nothing if he wins. freak him. I want my grand.
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You're gonna have to be more specific.
There's a lot that is finally pissing me off that I always ignored. A state like New Hampshire gets to dictate early nomination results despite being one of the lowest contributors to the overall Union. No matter who wins the nominations my vote is going to be for the Democrat even if I just stay home. Money is the deciding factor on who will get the nomination (or who even survives the primaries long enough).
It all has finally made me not give two shits about voting, whereas I used be one of those idealistic "You have to exercise your right!" types.
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It all has finally made me not give two shits about voting, whereas I used be one of those idealistic "You have to exercise your right!" types.
I'm back and forth on that. Living in NJ our primary is in June after everything is decided and the general election race has already been called for the Democrats. So I have an opinion and all but no real say in the matter.
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What a bundle of sticks (Cruz):
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-removes-advert-featuring-adult-film-actress-amy-lindsay-a6869801.html
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/13/ben-carson-used-an-apparently-fake-joseph-stalin-quote-tonight/
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/13/ben-carson-used-an-apparently-fake-joseph-stalin-quote-tonight/
I get its funny and all, but people misquote famous people all the time. He probably heard it years ago and it stuck with him. Or one of his staffers heard about it.
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I get its funny and all, but people misquote famous people all the time. He probably heard it years ago and it stuck with him. Or one of his staffers heard about it.
There are misquotes and then there are complete fabrications...
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There are misquotes and then there are complete fabrications...
"Nearly all reproductions of this quotation simply offer it as an undated, unsourced statement attributed to Stalin."
It's not like he fabricated it. It's one of those quotes that were never said but somehow stick.
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I like Ben Carson, wish he would win.
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I get its funny and all, but people misquote famous people all the time. He probably heard it years ago and it stuck with him. Or one of his staffers heard about it.
They need to be better than that on a major campaign.
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They need to be better than that on a major campaign.
Of course. But I think throwing out bullshit statistics that have been twisted to fit your message is much worse, and all politicians get away with that on the campaign trail.
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I like Ben Carson, wish he would win.
If serious, I am sad. The guy is a freaking moron.
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If serious, I am sad. The guy is a freaking moron.
He was a successful neurosurgeon. He wasn't dumb, just politically inept. There's a difference.
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If serious, I am sad. The guy is a freaking moron.
I dont really follow politics because its for bitter miserable fucks, but can his viewpoints really be that much worse than the other mainstream republicans ?
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He was a successful neurosurgeon. He wasn't dumb, just politically inept. There's a difference.
Discerning Tommy makes me uncomfortable.
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He was a successful neurosurgeon. He wasn't dumb, just politically inept. There's a difference.
Pretty much. One thing I've learned in my working years so far is that being really good at one thing is not a guarantee or even a suggestion that someone is good at anything else.
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He was a successful neurosurgeon. He wasn't dumb, just politically inept. There's a difference.
I don't get the accusations that he's dumb, but surgeons are pretty widely considered to be among the less well read (for lack of a better word), more handy members of the doctor world. It wouldn't surprise me if he worked his derriere off and isn't necessarily particularly informed. Either way, the guy clearly isn't dumb. He also may not be that smart.
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I don't get the accusations that he's dumb, but surgeons are pretty widely considered to be among the less well read (for lack of a better word), more handy members of the doctor world. It wouldn't surprise me if he worked his derriere off and isn't necessarily particularly informed. Either way, the guy clearly isn't dumb. He also may not be that smart.
Well, his expertise is very specific, so he would've been very well read if we're talking about medical journals. Doctors have to be up to date, so you don't just stop studying once you become one.
But I agree that it doesn't automatically make you "smart". It's the field he chose. But dumb lazy people don't make it that far, so as far as I'm concerned he's just your average upper class joe.
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I don't get the accusations that he's dumb, but surgeons are pretty widely considered to be among the less well read (for lack of a better word), more handy members of the doctor world. It wouldn't surprise me if he worked his derriere off and isn't necessarily particularly informed. Either way, the guy clearly isn't dumb. He also may not be that smart.
I know plenty of docs down here and some downright make you question how they got thru med school. It could be the difference between book smart and common sense, which can be confused with being "stupid". People without common sense can be really frustrating to deal with and quite a few docs lack the common sense gene.
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http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/15/why-so-many-millennials-are-socialists/
good read
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I'm not a socialist. I just think single payer is better than the current shitty system.
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http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/15/why-so-many-millennials-are-socialists/
good read
I stopped reading when it started trotting out that tired old horseshit about "public healthcare is no good because waiting times".
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I'm not a socialist. I just think single payer is better than the current shitty system.
That's fine. I think that we'll have a shitty system no matter who the president is and I don't feel like paying for illegal immigrants and people that don't work. I could really care less about the politics as long as my bill doesn't go up.
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I know plenty of docs down here and some downright make you question how they got thru med school. It could be the difference between book smart and common sense, which can be confused with being "stupid". People without common sense can be really frustrating to deal with and quite a few docs lack the common sense gene.
I deal with a few pharma and neurological clients and this is spot on. Brilliant in their field but you would think they're mentally retarded the moment they step outside their comfort zone.
I read somewhere that the problem with getting your PhD or any advanced degree (the further you go along) is that you learn more and more about less and less
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I stopped reading when it started trotting out that tired old horseshit about "public healthcare is no good because waiting times".
The section about US government run establishments/systems being slow, frustrating, and outdated is 100% accurate.
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I'm not a socialist. I just think single payer is better than the current shitty system.
I'm actually okay with basic government run healthcare. Doesn't mean we give up private healthcare. Obviously you should get better care if you pay for it.
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I'm actually okay with basic government run healthcare. Doesn't mean we give up private healthcare. Obviously you should get better care if you pay for it.
That's how almost every single payer system is.
I have problems with people arguing that we can do it because so many smaller countries do. I'm more of a fan of state run health care with minimal federal oversight on matters of interstate care. California may be going single payer soon from what I heard.
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I'm actually okay with basic government run healthcare. Doesn't mean we give up private healthcare. Obviously you should get better care if you pay for it.
Holy excrement. You and I might actually agree on a highly political topic?
I've always wanted to see an expansion of Medicare to serve the entire population a basic level of care. From there the HMOs can provide coverage on top. The HMOs continue to make money, everyone gets at least basic care, and businesses can continue to offer health benefits to employees as a perk and actually save some money over the current system.
Obviously that's ridiculously simplistic, but it's the general way I'd like to see it approached.
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Problems with any new system:
1. No one knows how it will shake out in real life vs. in theory.
2. People are involved.
I think anyone would agree that our current system of healthcare is riddled with issues and that change is needed. The question is whether the change would make it even worse. I don't know. I'm not going to sit here and preach about my extensive knowledge of health care and crystal ball reading.
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Holy excrement. You and I might actually agree on a highly political topic?
I've always wanted to see an expansion of Medicare to serve the entire population a basic level of care. From there the HMOs can provide coverage on top. The HMOs continue to make money, everyone gets at least basic care, and businesses can continue to offer health benefits to employees as a perk and actually save some money over the current system.
Obviously that's ridiculously simplistic, but it's the general way I'd like to see it approached.
Make welfare temporary, revamp Social Security, and shift that money towards expanding basic care coverage. Just an idea.
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Make welfare temporary, revamp Social Security, and shift that money towards expanding basic care coverage. Just an idea.
Revamp how?
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Revamp how?
Have everyone pay into their own personal fund. Sort of like a government-run 401k. Throw it all in T-Bills so that it at least matches inflation.
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Make welfare temporary, revamp Social Security, and shift that money towards expanding basic care coverage. Just an idea.
Welfare generally is temporary. I read somewhere recently that 53% of people on government assistance are off in 0-3 years and 99% are off in 4 years.
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Have everyone pay into their own personal fund. Sort of like a government-run 401k. Throw it all in T-Bills so that it at least matches inflation.
Never would happen. People are too stupid and incompetent to be responsible for their own futures. Not to mention tbills is pretty shitty way to invest.
Best case scenario the government might add a personalized component, where maybe 1/3rd of your money goes into a personalized account. Of course why would the government want to give you control of your money, when they can have it instead
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Never would happen. People are too stupid and incompetent to be responsible for their own futures. Not to mention tbills is pretty shitty way to invest.
Best case scenario the government might add a personalized component, where maybe 1/3rd of your money goes into a personalized account. Of course why would the government want to give you control of your money, when they can have it instead
People are too incompetent to be in charge of their own futures...yet the government is an poopchute for not letting people fully control their own money.
There are government-sanctioned ways to have control over your retirement. 401k and IRAs are both government supported.
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Have everyone pay into their own personal fund. Sort of like a government-run 401k. Throw it all in T-Bills so that it at least matches inflation.
So basically not Social Security.
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Healthcare prices and billing need to be fixed before any systematic changes take place. This ridiculous charge 10x market value so insurance company haggles down to 10% of billed price etc needs to go. Healthcare charges need to be standardized and brought back down to earth. Then we can start filtering out all the bullshit and the middle-men/insurance companies
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People are too incompetent to be in charge of their own futures...yet the government is an poopchute for not letting people fully control their own money.
There are government-sanctioned ways to have control over your retirement. 401k and IRAs are both government supported.
Yes.
I dont really know what the right answer is. Personally I want to be in charge of my own future as I know what I want/need better than anyone else. But I also realize that most people are completely freaking braindead and if the government doesnt force feed them into their excrement retirement plan, theyll have nothing. And even with that government plan, theyll still have nothing.
401s and iras have government support, but theyre both for the most part privatized.
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Healthcare prices and billing need to be fixed before any systematic changes take place. This ridiculous charge 10x market value so insurance company haggles down to 10% of billed price etc needs to go. Healthcare charges need to be standardized and brought back down to earth. Then we can start filtering out all the bullshit and the middle-men/insurance companies
Pretty much this. The reason why drug companies can charge so much is that the majority of people who pay for health care don't need it. Health care companies are sitting on tons of capital so drug companies can charge whatever they want. That needs to change unless you want your tax dollars paying those insane fees.
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Yes.
I dont really know what the right answer is. Personally I want to be in charge of my own future as I know what I want/need better than anyone else. But I also realize that most people are completely freaking braindead and if the government doesnt force feed them into their excrement retirement plan, theyll have nothing. And even with that government plan, theyll still have nothing.
401s and iras have government support, but theyre both for the most part privatized.
Yeah but excrement happens. It's nice to know there's a safety net out there for when you retire. Something you can't just withdraw.
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Pretty much this. The reason why drug companies can charge so much is that the majority of people who pay for health care don't need it. Health care companies are sitting on tons of capital so drug companies can charge whatever they want. That needs to change unless you want your tax dollars paying those insane fees.
A freak ton of money goes to R&D too. And a good chunk of healthcare organizations are not for profit (usually hospitals and excrement, not drug companies)
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Yeah but excrement happens. It's nice to know there's a safety net out there for when you retire. Something you can't just withdraw.
Resources are limited.
Id rather mine generate returns over 40 years
Instead of doing dick
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Resources are limited.
Id rather mine generate returns over 40 years
Instead of doing dick
That's your personal retirement account. I don't see the issue with the government creating an account for each American and investing their money in the U.S. government. Tax dollars being used to buy government bonds, which in turn is used for other types of spending. It's win win.
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401s and iras have government support, but theyre both for the most part privatized.
That was my point. You were complaining like the government doesn't want you investing in your own retirement, but their treatment of 401ks and IRAs says otherwise.
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That's your personal retirement account. I don't see the issue with the government creating an account for each American and investing their money in the U.S. government. Tax dollars being used to buy government bonds, which in turn is used for other types of spending. It's win win.
If you consider $19 trillion in debt and over $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities a win.
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so trump has gone ahead and insulted the pope. this has to hurt him...right?
Donald Trump just went full bore on the Pope, saying the pontiff was "disgraceful" for questioning his faith.
Trump was reacting to the Pope's comment, "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian." It seems to be a thinly veiled attack against Trump, who wants a wall between the U.S. and Mexico.
Trump went off ... "For a religious leader to question a person's faith is disgraceful. I am proud to be a Christian."
Trump believes the Mexican leaders with whom the Pope just met have poisoned him with one-sided views on immigration, adding, "They are using the Pope as a pawn."
And Trump says this ... "If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS' ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened."
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The Pope insulted him first. He just responded.
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Trump: "Anyone who votes for me is stupid. Oh wait, I need them...."
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The Pope insulted him first. He just responded.
If you are a catholic and the Pope calls you out, you are supposed to eat excrement and go reflect. A 3rd grade 'Well he started it!' doesn't work in this situation.
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If you are a catholic and the Pope calls you out, you are supposed to eat excrement and go reflect. A 3rd grade 'Well he started it!' doesn't work in this situation.
Trump isn't Catholic and the Pope lives surrounded by walls for his own safety.
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This is beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O74XDI-o7xc
RIP Jeb!
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"I've always wanted a President who beat up Vince McMahon at a Wrestlemania."
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I laughed out loud. That's hilarious.
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RIP Jeb!
I won't miss Jeb but the ! will live in infamy.
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My man Trump wins again.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/ben-carson-thinks-maybe-his-campaign-was-a-scam/470715/
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/ben-carson-thinks-maybe-his-campaign-was-a-scam/470715/
Maybe he's trying to keep up the exposure for a potential senate run or something. I can't believe he raised so much money. What a waste.
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My man Trump wins again.
Your man?
Are you actually backing him?
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Your man?
Are you actually backing him?
Yes.
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Yes.
Why?
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Why?
He's moderate, anti-establishment, not a career politician, I support most of his issues, and I idolized the guy since I was a kid.
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He's moderate, anti-establishment, not a career politician, I support most of his issues, and I idolized the guy since I was a kid.
Don't forget his wife.
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Why?
Trump's core is comprised of assholes, bigots, misogynists, and morons, and you're asking Tommy why he supports him?
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I support Trump's wife's tit job. Stellar silicone.
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I support Trump's wife's tit job. Stellar silicone.
I think she was hotter before she had all the work done. I don't like fake funbags unless they're insanely well done and even feel natural.
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Trump's core is comprised of assholes, bigots, misogynists, and morons, and you're asking Tommy why he supports him?
wow, such tolerance
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wow, such tolerance
I love the "hur dur Trump hates women and is a racist!" bullshit. The media has been trying to destroy him for months. And it ain't working. "He said that Megan Kelly was bleeding out of her vagina! OMG" "He said that all Mexicans are criminals! OMG!"
Sure, many Trump supporters may be uneducated, but the people who decry him aren't any smarter. But I'll let people continue to believe the bullshit that they hear, instead of looking at actual context.
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I love the "hur dur Trump hates women and is a racist!" bullshit. The media has been trying to destroy him for months. And it ain't working. "He said that Megan Kelly was bleeding out of her vagina! OMG" "He said that all Mexicans are criminals! OMG!"
Sure, many Trump supporters may be uneducated, but the people who decry him aren't any smarter. But I'll let people continue to believe the bullshit that they hear, instead of looking at actual context.
Of course it's not working. This country has plenty of bigots, misogynists, and morons to go around. I save the same idiot criticism for the Bernie fans who think college should be free and just want a bunch of handouts without any economic sense. There are enough idiots to fill two fringe campaigns.
Trump v Sanders would be a battle between two selfish groups of morons with a ton of people in the middle saying "Why the freak did we let this happen?"
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wow, such tolerance
I don't tolerate idiocy and extremism. Every Trump fan I've met is like Shaun King with an opposing ideology.
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I save the same idiot criticism for the Bernie fans who think college should be free and just want a bunch of handouts without any economic sense.
Yeah, freak those straw men.
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He'll be getting a nice gift from Trump soon.
And Christie just endorsed Trump. Took down Rubio for him then dropped out. Not that it was planned or anything.
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The student loan seems so easy to fix to me. Yeah, I had no credit when I applied so charge me 6-7%+, cool. My credit has gone from non existent to excellent in the years since I left college so why can't I have a yearly credit review and knock .5%-1% off the interest every year I pay my loans on time?
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He will get my vote again. Disaffected conservatives in non-swing states should really consider voting 3rd party and changing things for the 2020 election.
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Yeah, freak those straw men.
Met many strong Bernie supporters?
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The student loan seems so easy to fix to me. Yeah, I had no credit when I applied so charge me 6-7%+, cool. My credit has gone from non existent to excellent in the years since I left college so why can't I have a yearly credit review and knock .5%-1% off the interest every year I pay my loans on time?
I'm a big fan of percentage based variable tuition. Charge a percentage of income after graduation with variable rates for different degrees. Let government assistance be based on value. Make STEM degrees cheaper, but don't incentivize arts degrees.
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Again, my primary criticism is for the supporters I know and have encountered who are fed into by the candidates. Trump feeds extremism. Regardless of whether you think he's a bigot or an poopchute, you can't deny that he appeals to those people and welcomes them.
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As a hater of all things non white Trump is starting to look very promising
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I'm a big fan of percentage based variable tuition. Charge a percentage of income after graduation with variable rates for different degrees. Let government assistance be based on value. Make STEM degrees cheaper, but don't incentivize arts degrees.
I've long advocated for different types and rates of support for different types of degree. My thinking is:
Public Interest (medicine, nursing, teaching etc) - significant public subsidy and most attractive loan rates
Commercial Interest (law, finance, accounting, business etc) - no public subsidy, industry backed subsidy/bursaries and underwritten loan schemes
Personal Interest (arts, media studies, basket weaving, balloon spotting etc) - no public subsidy, market-pegged loan rates, industry involvement where possible
This doesn't preclude people with money from going and studying whatever the freak they want, but for those people who need help from the public purse they are encouraged financially to either study something that is of public benefit, or that an industry sponsor is willing to finance/underwrite. It's not a perfect scheme but I think it's better than the blanket approach that seems to exist now (granted I know much less about your system than I do the UK and Canada's).
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And Christie just endorsed Trump. Took down Rubio for him then dropped out. Not that it was planned or anything.
Trump/Christie 2016!
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I don't believe it's possible to be a successful politician that is honest and fair. At least not in the big leagues. I'd be a shitty politician, and if I were any good I'd have to lie my derriere off. I don't know why anyone would want to be a politician.
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Met many strong Bernie supporters?
I post on reddit. So yeah.
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I'm a big fan of percentage based variable tuition. Charge a percentage of income after graduation with variable rates for different degrees. Let government assistance be based on value. Make STEM degrees cheaper, but don't incentivize arts degrees.
Sounds like a plan for those who couldn't get admitted to a free public college.
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I don't believe it's possible to be a successful politician that is honest and fair. At least not in the big leagues. I'd be a shitty politician, and if I were any good I'd have to lie my derriere off. I don't know why anyone would want to be a politician.
Lying is fun for many people.
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This entire class of presidential candidates suck. Not that most of them don't usually anyway, but this time it's particularly hard to polish one of these turds. Most elections, I can pick out one of them that isn't completely offensive to me and fill in the bubble, knowing that he or she was the best option on the table.
Every single one of them this time have some sort of deal breaker issue with me or are just plain garbage.
It does make me wonder if my decision ethically would be any different if closed my eyes and picked the first one I pointed to, voted for "none of the above", or just didn't vote at all. For the record, I don't think everyone should vote because they can. If you don't know anything about any of the candidates, but just go to vote because it's your right, that doesn't serve our country any good.
It's much like a single guy at the bar at 2 AM trying to pick a drunk chick to take home before the bar closes. The choices are slim. This year, I'd rather go home and masturbate.
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That's true, but it's also bullshit to know about the candidates and refuse to vote because it "doesn't matter anyway". People don't take a bigger view of things than the immediate election.
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I post on reddit. So yeah.
So you're familiar with the "I want full loan forgiveness for my fine arts degree" type. I encounter way too many of them in LA these days.
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This entire class of presidential candidates suck. Not that most of them don't usually anyway, but this time it's particularly hard to polish one of these turds. Most elections, I can pick out one of them that isn't completely offensive to me and fill in the bubble, knowing that he or she was the best option on the table.
Every single one of them this time have some sort of deal breaker issue with me or are just plain garbage.
It does make me wonder if my decision ethically would be any different if closed my eyes and picked the first one I pointed to, voted for "none of the above", or just didn't vote at all. For the record, I don't think everyone should vote because they can. If you don't know anything about any of the candidates, but just go to vote because it's your right, that doesn't serve our country any good.
It's much like a single guy at the bar at 2 AM trying to pick a drunk chick to take home before the bar closes. The choices are slim. This year, I'd rather go home and masturbate.
I mostly agree with this especially the masturbate part.
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That's true, but it's also bullshit to know about the candidates and refuse to vote because it "doesn't matter anyway". People don't take a bigger view of things than the immediate election.
I wouldn't characterize it as "doesn't matter anyway", rather I don't want to vote for someone I disagree with significantly. I may be being too picky at this point. Right now, I don't like any of them. Maybe as time goes on, one will crawl out of the sewer a little more than the rest.
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Barack is sitting there thinking whoever wins in this group is going to make his presidency look amazing in comparison. Whoever wins is a one term disaster.
Vote Gary Johnson!
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Sanders and Kasich are by far the least objectionable candidates remaining IMO, but there's as much chance of me getting one of the nominations as either of them.
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Sanders and Kasich are by far the least objectionable candidates remaining IMO, but there's as much chance of me getting one of the nominations as either of them.
Kasich sucks
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Kasich sucks
Some of his ideas are pretty out there, but then show me a candidate who doesn't have some whacked out ideas. He's too much of a godbotherer for my liking, but he does at least seem to have some empathy for the less fortunate parts of society and isn't completely prostrating himself at the feet of Wall Street.
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I hate Ted Cruz strictly because of his face. I want to punch it. I don't care if he was Abe Lincoln and Mother Teresa combined.
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"If you killed Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate, and the trial was in the Senate, no one would convict you." - Lindsey Graham
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So you're familiar with the "I want full loan forgiveness for my fine arts degree" type. I encounter way too many of them in LA these days.
That's an LA bubble thing. And loan forgiveness isn't even part of his platform.
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Really didnt care enough to read too far past the headline but
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-02-26/trump-will-become-president-statistical-model-says
Helmut Norpoth, a professor of political science at Stony Brook University, has developed a statistical model that predicts a 97 percent to 99 percent chance that Trump will win the 2016 presidential election if he wins the Republican nomination, The Blaze reports.
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The student loan seems so easy to fix to me. Yeah, I had no credit when I applied so charge me 6-7%+, cool. My credit has gone from non existent to excellent in the years since I left college so why can't I have a yearly credit review and knock .5%-1% off the interest every year I pay my loans on time?
Because why would companies take the risk of loaning tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to kids who probably have little to no credit history, little to no assets as collateral, and dont have jobs either ?
College loans are fucked up, theres no question about it. But they are also high risk loans as well. Id much rather give out mortgages or something where I have a person with a credit history and a job, and an asset I can go after if they dont pay.
Not to mention how many freaking college kids get some stupid slapdick major where they end up working at best buy or walmart shortly after they graduate.
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That's an LA bubble thing. And loan forgiveness isn't even part of his platform.
He wants to force loan holders into lower interest rates on existing loans, which a lot of his supporters feel is a moderate precursor to the loan forgiveness he really seeks. As I said several times, I'm characterizing a group of his followers just as I am with Trump's. Neither platform dictates what the followers are clamoring for.
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The student loan seems so easy to fix to me. Yeah, I had no credit when I applied so charge me 6-7%+, cool. My credit has gone from non existent to excellent in the years since I left college so why can't I have a yearly credit review and knock .5%-1% off the interest every year I pay my loans on time?
If your credit is great and you're employed, why don't you refinance at a lower rate with another lender? Did you not know that was an option?
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Seeing all the retarded tweets when you search "nigga trump" on Twitter just makes me want to vote for him more.
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"Nigga Bernie sanders" seems to be pretty popular amongst them though.
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If your credit is great and you're employed, why don't you refinance at a lower rate with another lender? Did you not know that was an option?
Well aware. The sites with actual good rates are looking for people with huge debt. My puny 10k isn't much and is manageable but with a daughter being born in a few weeks any relief would be good.
That wasn't the point though. Those sites can review my credit and spit out a new rate in 15 minutes. How hard would it be to do that through the agency already handling my loans? Easy as hell.
It's not asking for anything for free. Just a small acknowledgement that the blind investment the gov't threw at me has paid off pretty well for them. They made huge profit on the interest the first few years and I have been a good little cog in the capitalist machine ever since I graduated.
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Well aware. The sites with actual good rates are looking for people with huge debt. My puny 10k isn't much and is manageable but with a daughter being born in a few weeks any relief would be good.
That wasn't the point though. Those sites can review my credit and spit out a new rate in 15 minutes. How hard would it be to do that through the agency already handling my loans? Easy as hell.
But that's the rate you guys agreed upon when you borrowed the loan. The price you agreed to pay for the risk they're taking on you potentially defaulting.
Besides that $10k in loans is actually helping your credit score. As soon as you pay it off, your score will drop believe it or not.
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But that's the rate you guys agreed upon when you borrowed the loan. The price you agreed to pay for the risk they're taking on you potentially defaulting.
Besides that $10k in loans is actually helping your credit score. As soon as you pay it off, your score will drop believe it or not.
Yes Mr generic conservative voice I know I agreed to that and I'm holding up my end of the bargain. It was a simple idea on how to lower the burden of student loans on people. Besides just wanting to take the conservative angle on everything is there anything actually wrong with a system that lets the people who used their loan money responsibly get out of that debt just a little quicker and easier?
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Yes Mr generic conservative voice I know I agreed to that and I'm holding up my end of the bargain. It was a simple idea on how to lower the burden of student loans on people. Besides just wanting to take the conservative angle on everything is there anything actually wrong with a system that lets the people who used their loan money responsibly get out of that debt just a little quicker and easier?
What system? All loan agreements work this way. You can refinance your home loan, but you have collateral. I'm speaking from a business point of view. Sure, there may be a company out there that offers refinancing options to those who get better credit and income over time, but the one you chose doesn't. Should we make it a law that student rates should go down based on future credit ratings? What about those students who graduate and can't get a job, and end up having excrement credit?
That was my situation in my 20s. Had a student loan at 6pct, but shot my credit to hell in my 20s. Instead of paying $150 a month, imagine if they were able to say "hey you know what, your credit now sucks, were going to raise your rates. Now it's $250 a month."
For someone with zero credit or income, you got someone to give you tens of thousands of dollars for only 6pct.
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Yes Mr generic conservative voice I know I agreed to that and I'm holding up my end of the bargain. It was a simple idea on how to lower the burden of student loans on people. Besides just wanting to take the conservative angle on everything is there anything actually wrong with a system that lets the people who used their loan money responsibly get out of that debt just a little quicker and easier?
I am going with "the answer is no freaking way" for 1000 Alex.
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What system? All loan agreements work this way. You can refinance your home loan, but you have collateral. I'm speaking from a business point of view. Sure, there may be a company out there that offers refinancing options to those who get better credit and income over time, but the one you chose doesn't. Should we make it a law that student rates should go down based on future credit ratings? What about those students who graduate and can't get a job, and end up having excrement credit?
That was my situation in my 20s. Had a student loan at 6pct, but shot my credit to hell in my 20s. Instead of paying $150 a month, imagine if they were able to say "hey you know what, your credit now sucks, were going to raise your rates. Now it's $250 a month."
For someone with zero credit or income, you got someone to give you tens of thousands of dollars for only 6pct.
Dude, it was hypothetical idea that was pretty simple. If you pay your loans on time once a year you can get a review and drop your rate slightly if your credit is good. You added in the part where, I am guessing because I know your stories, irresponsible Tommy spent too much on going out and lifestyle inflation has to pay extra for being irresponsible.
If you weren't the subject of that example I'm pretty sure you would be fine with the idiot getting punished for bad decisions.
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First of all the notion that kids starting out have to have massive debt just to go to college and get a degree, is stupid both for society and for them. Conversely, it was their choice to have school loans and it's their obligation to pay it.
That said there's nothing wrong with having college loans that have a look back or are adjustable based on an improving credit situation. It would boost the economy and give help to a segment of society that needs it. It's not like going out and getting a car they can't afford or a house. College is something pushed on our kids like it's crack rock.
Big caveat:
Remember that the type of loan, an adjustable type based on credit, theoretically worked great since the 80's because rates have gone down literally almost every year since 1980. That may not be the case going forward so companies may not be able to give relief. You can't ask a company to lower the rate to 2 percent if the going rate for good credit is 6. That's not right either. So be careful what you wish for.
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Dude, it was hypothetical idea that was pretty simple. If you pay your loans on time once a year you can get a review and drop your rate slightly if your credit is good. You added in the part where, I am guessing because I know your stories, irresponsible Tommy spent too much on going out and lifestyle inflation has to pay extra for being irresponsible.
If you weren't the subject of that example I'm pretty sure you would be fine with the idiot getting punished for bad decisions.
No, because it was an agreed upon contract between two parties. I wouldn't have signed that agreement if they told me that I'd have to maintain a certain level or credit lest be charged more fees etc.
When companies issue debt (borrow) there are often such conditions (covenants). They can issue the debt but have to maintain a certain debt/earnings ratio, have to keep trim costs, etc etc.
It's the same thing with credit cards. When your credit increases and you make your payments on time, they increase your credit to help them make even more money. What incentive would a company have to take less money? It would have to be government mandated, and do you want a government to tell companies that they should make less money? The very fact that there are companies out there willing to give young college kids with zero credit or jobs tens of thousands of dollars for a small interest rate (compared to 20% for credit cards, even for people with impeccable credit), or similar rates with people with actual collateral (a house) is something you should be grateful for.
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No, because it was an agreed upon contract between two parties. I wouldn't have signed that agreement if they told me that I'd have to maintain a certain level or credit lest be charged more fees etc.
When companies issue debt (borrow) there are often such conditions (covenants). They can issue the debt but have to maintain a certain debt/earnings ratio, have to keep trim costs, etc etc.
It's the same thing with credit cards. When your credit increases and you make your payments on time, they increase your credit to help them make even more money. What incentive would a company have to take less money? It would have to be government mandated, and do you want a government to tell companies that they should make less money? The very fact that there are companies out there willing to give young college kids with zero credit or jobs tens of thousands of dollars for a small interest rate (compared to 20% for credit cards, even for people with impeccable credit), or similar rates with people with actual collateral (a house) is something you should be grateful for.
I'm thinking you are talking about private loans right now while I am talking federal loans.
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I'm thinking you are talking about private loans right now while I am talking federal loans.
Oops. Well then I agree with you.
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Oops. Well then I agree with you.
Haha and I agree with you on private loans. Weird how that worked out.
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That was cute good job guys
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That was cute good job guys
There's room for you too, baby.
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Hahahaha
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Of course it's not working. This country has plenty of bigots, misogynists, and morons to go around. I save the same idiot criticism for the Bernie fans who think college should be free and just want a bunch of handouts without any economic sense. There are enough idiots to fill two fringe campaigns.
Trump v Sanders would be a battle between two selfish groups of morons with a ton of people in the middle saying "Why the freak did we let this happen?"
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I think the popularity of both Sanders and Trump shows that people have grown tired of the establishment. Wouldn't be surprised if the next president after this one is a third party candidate.
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I think the popularity of both Sanders and Trump shows that people have grown tired of the establishment. Wouldn't be surprised if the next president after this one is a third party candidate.
That's why I hope a lot of people see that they can have more of an impact "throwing their vote away" than choosing a default candidate they don't like. Voters in non-swing states can absolutely impact an election by voting third party. Just not the current one. Getting a certain percentage of votes would allow that party's candidate to gain so many advantages that would make 2020 a better election.
There is no reason for some of these disaffected Republicans (and Dems) in California to vote for either major candidate.
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That's why I hope a lot of people see that they can have more of an impact "throwing their vote away" than choosing a default candidate they don't like. Voters in non-swing states can absolutely impact an election by voting third party. Just not the current one. Getting a certain percentage of votes would allow that party's candidate to gain so many advantages that would make 2020 a better election.
There is no reason for some of these disaffected Republicans (and Dems) in California to vote for either major candidate.
Right but whether or not you like either candidate, you have to love the fact that each party is trying to take down Trump and Bernie respectively. They're literally threatening their very existence. The whole "you'll take who we tell you to vote for and you'll like it" approach is old and tired for most voters. Both parties will have to adapt to this, and they'd better.
This is a huge wake-up call for America.
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The internet is changing our election system as we know it, and that's pretty awesome
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That's why I hope a lot of people see that they can have more of an impact "throwing their vote away" than choosing a default candidate they don't like. Voters in non-swing states can absolutely impact an election by voting third party. Just not the current one. Getting a certain percentage of votes would allow that party's candidate to gain so many advantages that would make 2020 a better election.
There is no reason for some of these disaffected Republicans (and Dems) in California to vote for either major candidate.
I believe it's 5% of the popular vote and that candidates party gets included in the big presidential debates.
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I believe it's 5% of the popular vote and that candidates party gets included in the big presidential debates.
Yep. It could actually happen this year...or at least it would if the electorate was informed.
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Right but whether or not you like either candidate, you have to love the fact that each party is trying to take down Trump and Bernie respectively. They're literally threatening their very existence. The whole "you'll take who we tell you to vote for and you'll like it" approach is old and tired for most voters. Both parties will have to adapt to this, and they'd better.
This is a huge wake-up call for America.
I don't like either one, but I find the reaction to Trump to be much more dangerous. I get not wanting a politician, but he demonstrates zero ability to understand the way government actually works and a hot headed emotional response that resonates with the quick to react, zero nuance modern age. We make bold proclamations based on limited information online now, and he wants to make that policy. It's frightening.
If he was a candidate like Eisenhower, great. freak politicians. He's more like some ranting message board user.
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"Nigga Bernie sanders" seems to be pretty popular amongst them though.
Try nigga Hillary and post your findings.
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As I said several times, I'm characterizing a group of his followers just as I am with Trump's. Neither platform dictates what the followers are clamoring for.
The number of people I see spouting the "free excrement" line about Sanders supporters is much higher than the number of people I've ever heard actually behaving like that (close to zero). I've literally seen more people compare Sanders to Hitler than I have people going "woohoo free excrement."
Single payer, a living minimum wage, free public college aren't radical ideas. We're not talking about universal basic income or slavery reparations here.
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The number of people I see spouting the "free excrement" line about Sanders supporters is much higher than the number of people I've ever heard actually behaving like that (close to zero). I've literally seen more people compare Sanders to Hitler than I have people going "woohoo free excrement."
Single payer, a living minimum wage, free public college aren't radical ideas. We're not talking about universal basic income or slavery reparations here.
Same, the only people I have seen going on about free excrement are people against him. Show any support for any one of those ideas and you are a lazy anti capitalist pot smoker who has never left your mother's basement.
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“[It’s] amazing to me that the guy with the worst spray tan in America is attacking me for putting on makeup,” Marco Rubio shot back with a grin. “Donald Trump likes to sue people, he should sue whoever did that to his face.”
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I wouldn't vote for Rubio if there was a gun to my head. Talk about politicians that can and will be bought, he's front and center. He's sucked so much big sugar rooster, I bet he will get type 2 diabetes.
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That's why I hope a lot of people see that they can have more of an impact "throwing their vote away" than choosing a default candidate they don't like. Voters in non-swing states can absolutely impact an election by voting third party. Just not the current one. Getting a certain percentage of votes would allow that party's candidate to gain so many advantages that would make 2020 a better election.
There is no reason for some of these disaffected Republicans (and Dems) in California to vote for either major candidate.
The problem is the vast majority of this country is functionally retarded.
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Try nigga Hillary and post your findings.
gtgonni: Hillary Clinton the type of nigga to know what the word Gleek means
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issmaclice: this nigga jon travolta face look like a gottdamn tiki mask
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The number of people I see spouting the "free excrement" line about Sanders supporters is much higher than the number of people I've ever heard actually behaving like that (close to zero). I've literally seen more people compare Sanders to Hitler than I have people going "woohoo free excrement."
Single payer, a living minimum wage, free public college aren't radical ideas. We're not talking about universal basic income or slavery reparations here.
That's funny because the only person I've seen compare him to Hitler is that guy from Fox News who plays on the Democratic Socialist riff. Different strokes, I suppose. It may be an LA bubble, and it may just be that I tend to have idiot friends and friends of friends on FB. The funny thing is that the people I know who are all about increasing handouts largely don't need them. They want wealth redistribution even though they're just below the income level they rail against and they want their college loans forgiven even though they could easily pay them down if they didn't drop $100 a meal on dinner all the time. Hell, I know three people who pay basically just the interest on their student loans and make six figures. They're banking on Bernie for loan forgiveness because they feel like the price tag for their degrees was too high.
I like the idea of single payer, but I think it's a stupid idea at a federal level. I just think we're too big for that to work, and that's coming from someone who probably has to spend more time dealing with insurance companies and the disconnect between insurance, medical group, doctor, and supplier than anyone else here. I average about 30-40 phone calls and emails for every supply order, and I get my supplies every three months. I still think federal single payer is going to waste a excrement ton of money. And the people I know who clamor for it don't want their taxes touched by it. Good luck with that. Ask them who should be paying for everyone's health care: corporations. "Biotech prices are too high and corporations make too much." Again, good luck with that.
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The number of people I see spouting the "free excrement" line about Sanders supporters is much higher than the number of people I've ever heard actually behaving like that (close to zero). I've literally seen more people compare Sanders to Hitler than I have people going "woohoo free excrement."
Single payer, a living minimum wage, free public college aren't radical ideas. We're not talking about universal basic income or slavery reparations here.
Bernie Sanders ideas when it comes to paying for all this excrement ARE radical ideas. This guy is 100000% about class warfare on an extreme level, and wants to implement catastrophic changes to the tax and economic structure. Hell pretty much everything out there that analyzes this guys proposals from both the left and right calls it freaking nuts and radical.
I dont like any of the major candidates on either side. But the fact that you have Trump and Bernie Sanders as very serious major contenders should scare the living excrement out of everybody. This country is politically fucked, and Americans should be embarrassed by empowering these ridiculous fucks year in and year out.
Sanders is probably done after getting completely blown out in South Carolina. And not to be a conspiracy theorist or anything, but I think its a serious possibility that his chances to win the democratic primary were always completely overblown. I think start to finish Hillary was (and is) always virtually guaranteed to be the candidate. But the left wing machine let Sanders take the limelight and a ton of the heat/criticism (for all his radical ideas). Because it makes Hillary look like a moderate, and it takes the spot light off a lot of her major criticism and controversies.
Am I crazy in thinking that?
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You're not crazy in thinking that the DNC has been propping up Hillary as the presumed winner since day 1. But Sanders isn't done yet. SC was a foregone conclusion.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UM8F4EuUbw
tulsi gabbard, vice chair of the dnc, resigned to support and endorse bernie today.
it woulda been nice if she called out all the bullshit in her release that the dnc has done for hillary, but it's still significant.
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This is directed at Iggy based on geography, but anyone with insight feel free to jump in.
What are your feelings (or just the general CA vibe) on Gavin Newsom? I know he's waiting his turn as CA governor, but if Hilary tapped him for VP, I think she would draw most if not all of Bernie's progressive base, and really set the table for a 16 (well 24 including Obama) year democratic POTUS run.
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This is directed at Iggy based on geography, but anyone with insight feel free to jump in.
What are your feelings (or just the general CA vibe) on Gavin Newsom? I know he's waiting his turn as CA governor, but if Hilary tapped him for VP, I think she would draw most if not all of Bernie's progressive base, and really set the table for a 16 (well 24 including Obama) year democratic POTUS run.
I like Newsom better as a governor than as a VP. He took the initiative to create universal health care in San Francisco, which as I said above, I think it foolish on the federal level. I think he's good for education, he wants to reshape drug policy, and he doesn't mind standing up to both sides of economic policy to create balance.
Now, having said that, the guy sinks himself by often acting far too emotionally. The best example was his outburst on gay marriage legalization that became a touchstone for Prop 8 and helped kill gay marriage in this state. He's also been part of an administration that continues to shift responsibility to voters. California has the worst ballot initiative problem imaginable. People clamor for lower taxes and budget cuts, then they vote in all the excrement that legislators could never vote to pay for. There is a system of shifting responsibility to voters and selling them on excrement we don't need. I'm not convinced that Newsom would be any better, but he's a bit of an unknown given how measured his political rise has been. I'd rather see him take the governor's office in 2018 and see how he performs. I might even vote for him, which would be the first Democratic candidate I've voted for in that office in years. Ever since McClintock lost the recall, I've voted Libertarian, a write in for McClintock, and for Kashkari.
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What are your feelings (or just the general CA vibe) on Gavin Newsom? I know he's waiting his turn as CA governor, but if Hilary tapped him for VP, I think she would draw most if not all of Bernie's progressive base
lol
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http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/29/video-msnbc-host-falls-apart-after-discovering-black-trump-supporter/
yes.
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http://youtu.be/CsxXty6vEBA
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I feel like this needs to be revisited:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4
It's one of her most hilarious lies.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/opinions/trump-valdosta-rally-black-students-ejected-bailey/index.html
And while we don't know who ordered it or why they did it, it is becoming increasingly clear that the GOP front-runner's use of sometimes veiled, sometimes overt selective bigotry is the reason the incident has become more than just the latest "protesters get kicked out of campaign event" story.
So protesters were removed from an event, the writer doesn't know the full details, but will say that it's all because Trump is a racist bigot.
CNN is a joke.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/opinions/trump-valdosta-rally-black-students-ejected-bailey/index.html
So protesters were removed from an event, the writer doesn't know the full details, but will say that it's all because Trump is a racist bigot.
CNN is a joke.
The one with the BLM protesters getting kicked out and the reporter getting chokeslammed was better.
https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9DPC6VftJUgNtYmk/giphy.mp4
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FTR, I don't know why it's a big deal to kick protesters out of a campaign rally.
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The one with the BLM protesters getting kicked out and the reporter getting chokeslammed was better.
https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9DPC6VftJUgNtYmk/giphy.mp4
Hahahaha
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The writer of that article didn't say that they got kicked out because Trump's a bigot. He said that his use of veiled and occasionally outright bigoted rhetoric has led to these protests and to their vehemence. There's a reason things are so contentious between his supporters and his detractors. Refusing to denounce David Duke was very telling.
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The writer of that article didn't say that they got kicked out because Trump's a bigot. He said that his use of veiled and occasionally outright bigoted rhetoric has led to these protests and to their vehemence. There's a reason things are so contentious between his supporters and his detractors. Refusing to denounce David Duke was very telling.
Did you not see the video of him staring down and kicking out a dude wearing a KKK shirt at one of his events?
People have made up their minds. Trump never said that "Mexicans are racist" as the author claims. Poorly worded statement maybe, but his point stands. It's just a bullshit talking point that people like to eat up.
Again, this goes back to the whole "anti illegal immigration = anti non-whites" bullshit. Liberals, and Dems, are afraid to touch that topic because they've already labeled it as racist. They've campaigned to turn it racist for years, and it worked. It's just like how Republicans beer bring up environmental issues/climate change because they've already labeled it as "anti-corporate".
It's how both sides work. Don't like an issue? Make sure your side realllyyyy doesn't like that issue.
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It's how both sides work. Don't like an issue? Make sure your side realllyyyy doesn't like that issue.
This is the worst part of our political system. You either vote for the gay/person of color killing, dick swinging, gun toting southern republican or you have the liberal commu-socialist hoo-ha democrat. The two party system creates so much polarity.
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This is the worst part of our political system. You either vote for the gay/person of color killing, dick swinging, gun toting southern republican or you have the liberal commu-socialist hoo-ha democrat. The two party system creates so much polarity.
This is why I like Trump. He's a moderate who isn't playing by the GOP establishment's rules. And he's kicking derriere. It's a big FU to the party. Bloomberg sort of did the same when he ran for Mayor in NYC. Ran as a republican but because he was self funding, and popular, he didn't need to play by their rules and ran the city how he wanted.
Once Trump wins the nomination he'll revert back to center where he's always been.
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I didn't say he supported Duke. I said he refused to condemn him. That's what he's been doing all along. He equivocates and dabbles with overt speech, then when his supporters take it too far, he refuses to say anything about it. If he does swing moderate again, good on him. His behavior has been pure politics, though obviously with a different bent than the two major parties.
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liberal commu-socialist hoo-ha democrat.
Only the last two of those words apply to Hillary.
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Only the last two of those words apply to Hillary.
That wasn't how I read the post; there's no doubt that candidates are just painted as extremes. FFS, large parts of America seem to actually think that Obama is a socialist.
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Oh God Hillary's voice.
Whaaaat a Super Tuessdaaaay
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Oh God Hillary's voice.
Whaaaat a Super Tuessdaaaay
oh God Hillary's face.
Woof.
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This is hilarious:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nolbmguzvGk&feature=youtu.be
"Oh excrement. We accidentally interviewed a black Trump supporter."
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A black Trump supporter is way more believable than a Muslim or Hispanic one.
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A black Trump supporter is way more believable than a Muslim or Hispanic one.
Why? I have Hispanic friends who like Trump. Anti-Illegal doesn't mean anti-Hispanic.
Also have a bunch of Muslim buddies who are Pro-Trump. Granted they're white Muslims, not the brown ones you probably think of when you think "Muslim".
It's almost as if people all have their own personal political views irrespective of their race or religion. But according to you and others they should all be voting one way or another.
Look who's being stereotypical now.
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Why? I have Hispanic friends who like Trump. Anti-Illegal doesn't mean anti-Hispanic.
Also have a bunch of Muslim buddies who are Pro-Trump. Granted they're white Muslims, not the brown ones you probably think of when you think "Muslim".
It's almost as if people all have their own personal political views irrespective of their race or religion. But according to you and others they should all be voting one way or another.
Look who's being stereotypical now.
Lol. Nice try. A for effort.
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I work with a Trump supporter who happens to be Hispanic.
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https://vine.co/v/igHFKFWVDnO
http://youtu.be/OemqVWi_R0k
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I work with a Trump supporter who happens to be Hispanic.
That's awesome. I love it. Please tell me he's Mexican or Central American and not Dominican or Puerto Rican.
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I'm calling a 2016 victory for Bloomberg. It's going to be glorious to watch this excrement unfold, too. I always wanted to see 1824 firsthand.
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That's awesome. I love it. Please tell me he's Mexican or Central American and not Dominican or Puerto Rican.
Hey, look at Iggy lumping people into groups by race and ethnicity. I forgot that all Mexicans, Blacks, Puerto Ricans, and other non whites are supposed to vote one way, and only white people are allowed to have varying opinions.
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I'm calling a 2016 victory for Bloomberg. It's going to be glorious to watch this excrement unfold, too. I always wanted to see 1824 firsthand.
He won't run against Hillary.
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Hey, look at Iggy lumping people into groups by race and ethnicity. I forgot that all Mexicans, Blacks, Puerto Ricans, and other non whites are supposed to vote one way, and only white people are allowed to have varying opinions.
Hahahaha. Dude, I want to see a Mexican Trump fan. It's just not the same when Badger tells me she's a Puerto Rican. I want someone who is actually affected by the comments. This is my four leaf clover here.
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He won't run against Hillary.
I'm not convinced of that.
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Hahahaha. Dude, I want to see a Mexican Trump fan. It's just not the same when Badger tells me she's a Puerto Rican. I want someone who is actually affected by the comments. This is my four leaf clover here.
But I thought Trump hated Latinos?!
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But I thought Trump hated Latinos?!
AFAIK, he's only excrement on Mexicans and Central Americans. Like I've said before, it's primarily the supporters he refuses to denounce who take his comments to such an extreme. It's tough because we are on the other coast. One of my brothers in law is a Puerto Rican/Chilean from Manhattan who doesn't really consider himself Latino or Hispanic now that he lives out here. It's like two different worlds.
Either way, there are tons of Hispanic Republicans out here, but I haven't met any who are Trump supporters. Mostly Rubio, some Cruz, some sad Jeb and Carson fans, but I'm still looking for some Trump.
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Apparently Petro is a HUGE Trump supporter.
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/mar/01/super-tuesday-results-live-state-by-state
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AFAIK, he's only excrement on Mexicans and Central Americans. Like I've said before, it's primarily the supporters he refuses to denounce who take his comments to such an extreme. It's tough because we are on the other coast. One of my brothers in law is a Puerto Rican/Chilean from Manhattan who doesn't really consider himself Latino or Hispanic now that he lives out here. It's like two different worlds.
Either way, there are tons of Hispanic Republicans out here, but I haven't met any who are Trump supporters. Mostly Rubio, some Cruz, some sad Jeb and Carson fans, but I'm still looking for some Trump.
How did he excrement on Mexicans and Central Americans? Do you think all Mexicans in this country came here illegally or are illegal aliens? Trump won most of the Hispanic votes in Nevada who are mostly of Mexican descent. Keep in mind that's with two Hispanic men in the top 3.
You do this all the time. Same with black issues. You just go ahead and assume all people of one color or background will support "their" cause. What exactly is a "Mexican-American" cause? Why would Mexican-Americans who earned their way here be offended by anti-illegal immigration talk? My father is a huge Trump supporter, came here legally, even though his own nephew came here illegal through Mexico (yes, non-Mexicans come through there too).
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Iggy racist and Tommy actually the most accepting person on this board confirmed.
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I'm calling a 2016 victory for Bloomberg. It's going to be glorious to watch this excrement unfold, too. I always wanted to see 1824 firsthand.
If he ran, there just may be a Jewish President. Wow
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How did he excrement on Mexicans and Central Americans? Do you think all Mexicans in this country came here illegally or are illegal aliens? Trump won most of the Hispanic votes in Nevada who are mostly of Mexican descent. Keep in mind that's with two Hispanic men in the top 3.
You do this all the time. Same with black issues. You just go ahead and assume all people of one color or background will support "their" cause. What exactly is a "Mexican-American" cause? Why would Mexican-Americans who earned their way here be offended by anti-illegal immigration talk? My father is a huge Trump supporter, came here legally, even though his own nephew came here illegal through Mexico (yes, non-Mexicans come through there too).
Lol. Broken Tommy is fun.
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When the Mexican community sends its voters, they’re not sending the Trump supporters. They’re sending people that have lots of problems with Trump and they’re bringing those votes. They’re bringing Cruz fans, they’re bringing Rubio fans. They’re Democrats and some, I assume, are Trump supporters, but I speak to polling place workers and they’re telling us what we’re getting.
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If he ran, there just may be a Jewish President. Wow
He could take only New York and one other state and win the Presidency.
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Trump won most of the Hispanic votes in Nevada who are mostly of Mexican descent. Keep in mind that's with two Hispanic men in the top 3.
Trump won the REPUBLICAN Latino vote in Nevada, which was all of like 2 families. Hillary will have the Latino vote on lock-down when she wins Nevada in the general.
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Trump won the REPUBLICAN Latino vote in Nevada, which was all of like 2 families. Hillary will have the Latino vote on lock-down when she wins Nevada in the general.
More like 2700 votes, but point taken.
Your point will fall on deaf ears. Tommy is broken at this point. My comment that I'm looking for a Mexican Trump fan not because they don't exist but because I haven't met any around here seems to have pushed him over the edge for good. "I know Hispanic supporters of six different candidates across both parties, but I haven't met a Trump supporting Mexican American." "OMG WHY DO YOU THINK ALL HISPANICS HAVE TO VOTE THE SAME!?!"
It's glorious.
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If he ran, there just may be a Jewish President. Wow
Sanders is also Jewish and has a better shot than Bloomberg.
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Trump won the REPUBLICAN Latino vote in Nevada, which was all of like 2 families. Hillary will have the Latino vote on lock-down when she wins Nevada in the general.
Hispandering pays off
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Sanders is also Jewish and has a better shot than Bloomberg.
I don't consider Karl Marx nor him Jews, they're the type that pissed off Hitler. That didn't turn out so well.
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Sanders is also Jewish and has a better shot than Bloomberg.
I don't think that's actually true. Sanders isn't going to win the nomination. Bloomberg could run unaffiliated, focus his energy on a few states just to try to keep either candidate from an electoral majority, and take it to the House. The Republican Party hates Trump and with monied interests behind it could absolutely swing Bloomberg into office. The Koch Brothers would be all over that.
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I don't think that's actually true. Sanders isn't going to win the nomination. Bloomberg could run unaffiliated, focus his energy on a few states just to try to keep either candidate from an electoral majority, and take it to the House. The Republican Party hates Trump and with monied interests behind it could absolutely swing Bloomberg into office. The Koch Brothers would be all over that.
What kills Bloomberg I think is his gun control stance. Other than that he's pretty mainstream and has a great track record working with business interests.
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I caught a few minutes of that Ted Cruz speech last night looking at the election results on CNN. Sad and pathetic. I turned it off because it made me cringe and I couldn't look at his weird head anymore. He looks like someone who perpetually is smelling diarrhea.
Trump sounded like a coach winging a post-game presser. It was kind of funny actually.
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What kills Bloomberg I think is his gun control stance. Other than that he's pretty mainstream and has a great track record working with business interests.
He doesn't have to take any of the Southern states to win the presidency. Again, he just has to prevent either candidate from winning a majority and then play on the Republican party's hatred of Trump. It's certainly not easy, but I'm guessing that if he runs, it'll be his game. It's a good one and could very well work. If the Republican party figures Trump is going to divide the party anyway, the monied interests would certainly want to get one more term. Ultimately, for them I assume the 2nd Amendment is more of a political move than an honest core value. I'd love that scenario. It could finally drive election reform.
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I caught a few minutes of that Ted Cruz speech last night looking at the election results on CNN. Sad and pathetic. I turned it off because it made me cringe and I couldn't look at his weird head anymore. He looks like someone who perpetually is smelling diarrhea.
Trump sounded like a coach winging a post-game presser. It was kind of funny actually.
Ted Cruz had his election party last night at a place called the Redneck Country Club. I love excrement like that.
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Tom Brady has officially declared his love for Trump. For those scoring at home, his All Star Support Team now includes:
Tom Brady
Bob Kraft
Tila Tequila
John Rocker
Petrozza
Tommy
Murderer's Row right there.
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Tom Brady has officially declared his love for Trump. For those scoring at home, his All Star Support Team now includes:
Tom Brady
Bob Kraft
Tila Tequila
John Rocker
Petrozza
Tommy
Murderer's Row right there.
Do some of them cancel each other out? I remember some math rules back in the day.
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Do some of them cancel each other out? I remember some math rules back in the day.
If they weren't all so damn similar, they might. It's more like a Voltron of douche.
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Tom Brady has officially declared his love for Trump. For those scoring at home, his All Star Support Team now includes:
Tom Brady
Bob Kraft
Tila Tequila
John Rocker
Petrozza
Tommy
Murderer's Row right there.
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You forgot nyjunc
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You forgot nyjunc
I didn't see him. I was reminded of the political threads at TGG and how great they were. Went over and was surprised to see Petro posting a excrement ton about Trump. More than he ever posted while we there.
Hobbes is a fan too.
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I don't think that's actually true. Sanders isn't going to win the nomination. Bloomberg could run unaffiliated, focus his energy on a few states just to try to keep either candidate from an electoral majority, and take it to the House. The Republican Party hates Trump and with monied interests behind it could absolutely swing Bloomberg into office. The Koch Brothers would be all over that.
Bloomberg did not finish his tenure as mayor on a good note.
And as I said before, he won't run against Hillary. They have the same interests.
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Bloomberg did not finish his tenure as mayor on a good note.
And as I said before, he won't run against Hillary. They have the same interests.
That's what he says, yes. I still think if they hit him up with a viable path to the Presidency, he gives it a lot of thought. Just an opinion.
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I really enjoyed this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ
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I'm hoping Kasich and Rubio win their home states (albeit unlikely) on the 15th. Regardless of what happens after that nobody is going to have the magic number of delegates going into the convention.
The Republican establishment is being quite vocal the last couple days that Trump may not get the nomination, even if he wins the majority of states and delegates.
Trump will run 3rd party without a doubt in that case.
Hillary wins, Trump comes in 2nd, and whoever the Republicans put up comes in 3rd. Trump, a lifelong Democrat, completes his goal of destroying the modern Republican party.
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I'm hoping Kasich and Rubio win their home states (albeit unlikely) on the 15th. Regardless of what happens after that nobody is going to have the magic number of delegates going into the convention.
The Republican establishment is being quite vocal the last couple days that Trump may not get the nomination, even if he wins the majority of states and delegates.
Trump will run 3rd party without a doubt in that case.
Hillary wins, Trump comes in 2nd, and whoever the Republicans put up comes in 3rd. Trump, a lifelong Democrat, completes his goal of destroying the modern Republican party.
It's sad that a theory that relies heavily on conspiracy theory is completely believable.
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It's sad that a theory that relies heavily on conspiracy theory is completely believable.
Sad indeed, but it would be the best 'long con' in history.
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Sad indeed, but it would be the best 'long con' in history.
It would get even better if Hilary did nominate Obama for the supreme Court. More ridiculous than house of cards haha.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/us/politics/donald-trump-supremacists.html?ref=politics&_r=1
Anyone think he's going to disavow Heimbach now? Or acknowledge what's going on at his rallies in any way? I fully support removing protesters from private rallies for a political candidate. It seems to me, though, that he may want to address the way in which they're being removed.
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It would get even better if Hilary did nominate Obama for the supreme Court. More ridiculous than house of cards haha.
Maybe Trump can push Palin in front of a subway train.
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Maybe Trump can push Palin in front of a subway train.
LOL that you think that queynte would ever demean herself with public transit.
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Trump just assured everyone, on live TV, that he has a big dick.
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Hahahaha. Dude, I want to see a Mexican Trump fan. It's just not the same when Badger tells me she's a Puerto Rican. I want someone who is actually affected by the comments. This is my four leaf clover here.
Why would Mexican Americans who came here legally be affected by his comments on immigration? I love how you always talk about these groups "voting against their own interest", as if you know what's best for all blacks, latinos, etc. I personally like to give credit to people who can base their opinions about a particular candidate without thinking about the retarded notion of "well, what can he do for MY people?"
The Democratic party plays into that, they know exactly what they're doing. Convince all African-Americans that voting Republican is voting against "their" interests. What the freak are their interests? The Democrats are the ones lumping minority groups together as if they all think the same. If I were an African-American, I'd be pretty offended that the Party just assumes that I'd vote for them "just because I'm black."
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Why would Mexican Americans who came here legally be affected by his comments on immigration? I love how you always talk about these groups "voting against their own interest", as if you know what's best for all blacks, latinos, etc. I personally like to give credit to people who can base their opinions about a particular candidate without thinking about the retarded notion of "well, what can he do for MY people?"
The Democratic party plays into that, they know exactly what they're doing. Convince all African-Americans that voting Republican is voting against "their" interests. What the freak are their interests? The Democrats are the ones lumping minority groups together as if they all think the same. If I were an African-American, I'd be pretty offended that the Party just assumes that I'd vote for them "just because I'm black."
LOL. You're like a broken record now. It's awesome. I actually know some black republicans, including in my own family. They do vote their interests. Of course, by the same token, the Republican party has convinced poor whites to vote against their interests by focusing on social issues. Either way, I have a lot of respect for Stacey Dash standing up against that pressure and voting Republican as well, especially when she then has the balls to go on the Academy Awards and create the most underrated moment of the ceremony. Nice try, though.
Like I said, I just haven't met any Mexican Trump fans. They don't like the insinuation that everyone who comes here is a rapist or murderer. You may make that distinction, but no one I've yet met has. I'm being honest when I say I'd love to see it. Even the ones who came here legally have a ton of Mexican pride, and it goes into subsequent generations. Obviously they exist. I just haven't met any. It's awesome to know how pissed that makes you, though. This is fun.
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It's awesome as well to see someone who isn't from a disaffected minority say "I don't think about what the government can do for MY people".
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LOL. You're like a broken record now. It's awesome. I actually know some black republicans, including in my own family. They do vote their interests. Of course, by the same token, the Republican party has convinced poor whites to vote against their interests by focusing on social issues. Either way, I have a lot of respect for Stacey Dash standing up against that pressure and voting Republican as well, especially when she then has the balls to go on the Academy Awards and create the most underrated moment of the ceremony. Nice try, though.
Like I said, I just haven't met any Mexican Trump fans. They don't like the insinuation that everyone who comes here is a rapist or murderer. You may make that distinction, but no one I've yet met has. I'm being honest when I say I'd love to see it. Even the ones who came here legally have a ton of Mexican pride, and it goes into subsequent generations. Obviously they exist. I just haven't met any. It's awesome to know how pissed that makes you, though. This is fun.
K
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanderss-plan-would-raise-taxes-by-34-1457114401?mod=e2fb
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Yaayyyyyy
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I watched that shitshow "debate" last night. It was funny. Sad and funny.
Can we just skip having a president this term? Maybe the oval office can get one of those answering services for when you are closed.
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Dcm would be a viable Republican candidate in this race.
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/gop-debate-omg-ted-cruz-just-ate-a-booger-video/
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^I hate you for that.
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^I hate you for that.
Just for that? That's disappointing.
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanderss-plan-would-raise-taxes-by-34-1457114401?mod=e2fb
Are you worried about paying 52% of your earnings above $10M?
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Ben Carson Spent $16 Million on Consultants, $1.3M on Campaign Payroll/Ads
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Are you worried about paying 52% of your earnings above $10M?
Having just filed my tax return, with the image of what I paid in federal taxes last year fresh in my mind, I'm not in favor of any policy that raises them.
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Having just filed my tax return, with the image of what I paid in federal taxes last year fresh in my mind, I'm not in favor of any policy that raises them.
Would you trust me when I say that will pale in comparison to someday paying for healthcare for a family? Don't forget to factor in time spent fighting with an insurance company that doesn't feel like covering something.
And I hope you don't think your taxes would go up 34% percent based on the title of that article. They won't.
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Would you trust me when I say that will pale in comparison to someday paying for healthcare for a family? Don't forget to factor in time spent fighting with an insurance company that doesn't feel like covering something.
It's definitely tough to imagine the US government failing to efficiently spend money.
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It's definitely tough to imagine the US government failing to efficiently spend money.
The government is going to spend regardless. The least we can ask for is they spend it on something that we benefit from.
I'm not trying to present a false dilemma but it's very easy to imagine three years from now the US hemorrhaging tax money on "liberating" Syria while we're still being bent over by insurance companies.
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The government is going to spend regardless. The least we can ask for is they spend it on something that we benefit from.
I'm not trying to present a false dilemma but it's very easy to imagine three years from now the US hemorrhaging tax money on "liberating" Syria while we're still being bent over by insurance companies.
Do you think we'd stop paying to fight endlessly overseas just because we're on the hook for health care?
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Do you think we'd stop paying to fight endlessly overseas just because we're on the hook for health care?
No. The point is that nobody can argue we don't have the money to spend on healthcare when we apparently have infinite money to fight needless wars.
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Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler. And by that I mean that we are being Germany in the 30s. Do you think they saw the excrement coming? Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all.
And I’m not advocating for Hillary or Bernie. I like them both but frankly I wish the next president was a conservative only because we had Obama for eight years and we need balance. And not because I particularly enjoy the conservative agenda. I just think the government should reflect the people. And we are about 40 percent conservative and 40 percent liberal. When I was growing up and when I was a younger man, liberals and conservatives were friends with differences. They weren’t enemies. And it always made sense that everyone gets a president they like for a while and then hates the president for a while. But it only works if the conservatives put up a good candidate. A good smart conservative to face the liberal candidate so they can have a good argument and the country can decide which way to go this time.
Trump is not that. He's an insane bigot. He is dangerous.
He already said he would expand libel laws to sue anyone who "writes a negative hit piece" about him. He says "I would open up the libel laws so we can sue them and win lots of money. Not like now. These guys are totally protected." He said that. He has promised to decimate the first amendment. (If you think he’s going to keep the second amendment intact you’re delusional.) And he said that Paul Ryan, speaker of the house will "pay" for criticizing him. So I'm saying this now because if he gets in there we won't be able to criticize him any more.
Please pick someone else. Like John Kasich. I mean that guy seems okay. I don't like any of them myself but if you're that kind of voter please go for a guy like that. It feels like between him and either democrat we'd have a decent choice. It feels like a healthier choice. We shouldn't have to vote for someone because they're not a shocking queynte billionaire liar.
We should choose based on what direction the country should go.
I get that all these people sound like bullshit soft criminal opportunists. The whole game feels rigged and it's not going anywhere but down anymore. I feel that way sometimes.
And that voting for Trump is a way of saying "freak it. freak them all". I really get it. It's a version of national Suicide. Or it's like a big hit off of a crack pipe. Somehow we can't help it. Or we know that if we vote for Trump our phones will be a reliable source of dopamine for the next four years. I mean I can't wait to read about Trump every day. It's a rush. But you have to know this is not healthy.
If you are a true conservative. Don't vote for Trump. He is not one of you. He is one of him. Everything you have heard him say that you liked, if you look hard enough you will see that he one day said the exact opposite. He is playing you.
In fact, if you do vote for Trump, at least look at him very carefully first. You owe that to the rest of us. Know and understand who he is. Spend one hour on google and just read it all. I don’t mean listen to me or listen to liberals who put him down. Listen to your own people. Listen to John Mccain. Go look at what he just said about Trump. "At a time when our world has never been more complex or more in danger... I want Republican voters to pay close attention to what our party's most respected and knowledgeable leaders and national security experts are saying about Mr. Trump, and to think long and hard about who they want to be our next Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world.”
When Trump was told what he said, Trump said "Oh, he did? Well, that's not nice," he told CBS News' chief White House correspondent Major Garrett. "He has to be very careful."
When pressed on why, Trump tacked on: "He'll find out.”
(I cut and pasted that from CBS news)
Do you really want a guy to be president who threatens John McCain? Because John McCain cautiously and intelligently asked for people to be thoughtful before voting for him? He didn’t even insult Trump. He just asked you to take a good look. And Trump told him to look out.
Remember that Trump entered this race by saying that McCain is not a war hero. A guy who was shot down, body broken and kept in a POW camp for years. Trump said “I prefer the guys who don’t get caught.” Why did he say that? Not because he meant it or because it was important to say. He said it because he’s a bully and every bully knows that when you enter a new school yard, you go to the toughest most respected guy on the yard and you punch him in the nose. If you are still standing after, you’re the new boss. If Trump is president, he’s not going to change. He’s not going to do anything for you. He’s going to do everything for himself and leave you in the dust.
So please listen to fellow conservatives. But more importantly, listen to Trump. Listen to all of it. Everything he says. If you liked when he said that “torture works” then go look at where he took it back the next day. He’s a freaking liar.
A vote for Trump is so clearly a gut-vote, and again I get it. But add a little brain to it and look the guy up. Because if you vote for him because of how you feel right now, the minute he's president, you're going to regret it. You're going to regret it even more when he gives the job to his son. Because American democracy is broken enough that a guy like that could really freak things up. That's how Hitler got there. He was voted into power by a fatigued nation and when he got inside, he did all his Hitler things and no one could stop him.
Again, I’m not saying vote democrat or vote for anyone else. If Hilary ends up president it should be because she faced the best person you have and you and I both chose her or him or whoever. Trump is not your best. He’s the worst of all of us. He’s a symptom to a problem that is very real. But don’t vote for your own cancer. You’re better than that.
That's just my view. At least right now. I know I’m not qualified or particularly educated and I'm not right instead of you. I’m an idiot and I'm sure a bunch of you are very annoyed by this. freaking celebrity with an opinion. I swear this isn’t really a political opinion. You don’t want to know my political opinions. (And I know that I’m only bringing myself trouble with this excrement.) Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself. And really I don't mean to insult anyone. Except Trump. I mean to insult him very much. And really I’m not saying he’s evil or a monster. In fact I don’t think Hitler was. The problem with saying that guys like that are monsters is that we don’t see them coming when they turn out to be human, which they all are. Everyone is. Trump is a messed up guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never ever have enough of either and he’ll never stop trying. He’s sick. Which makes him really really interesting. And he pulls you towards him which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. He’s not a monster. He’s a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another TV show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings. But please stop voting for him. And please watch Horace and Pete.
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I feel terrible for anyone nearing retirement age, with a decent chunk of change in a tax defered account.
Gonna be a huge kick in the balls if that socialist freak gets elected
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I feel terrible for anyone nearing retirement age, with a decent chunk of change in a tax defered account.
Gonna be a huge kick in the balls if that socialist freak gets elected
He's not a socialist, but OK.
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He's not a socialist, but OK.
FYI, he thinks that Obama is a socialist.
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Considering that he describes his political views as a "democratic socialist", I tend to disagree that hes not socialist. And he seems that he does too
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-socialist_us_56242e5ee4b0bce3470124f9
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He literally isn't one.
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He literally isn't one.
ok hes a social democrat which is slightly less bad, but still completely freaking terrible
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Camacho 2016
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He's not a socialist, but OK.
Then vote Trump and shut your freaking stupid unintelligent mouth. God you're insufferable, going against Trump you freaking halfwit, does not mean we want Sanders or Hillary. I swear sometimes the way you dumb down things.
Edit that was meant for DCM lol. With stupid ridiculous post to no one after JE posted Louis CK....
I feel terrible for anyone nearing retirement age, with a decent chunk of change in a tax defered account.
Gonna be a huge kick in the balls if that socialist freak gets elected
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Btw CK is right, the average IQ of Trump backers rivals that of plant life. That doesn't mean the other side has great choices. I will not vote for either party as I absolutely detest Rubio and Cruz as well as Clinton and Sanders.
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Btw CK is right, the average IQ of Trump backers rivals that of plant life. That doesn't mean the other side has great choices. I will not vote for either party as I absolutely detest Rubio and Cruz as well as Clinton and Sanders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s97RiKv8cJQ
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dcm, are you for Trump? If not, who's your guy?
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dcm, are you for Trump? If not, who's your guy?
Do you really think dcm is qualified to join this list of powerhouse Trump supporters?
Tom Brady
Bob Kraft
Tommy
David Duke
Tila Tequila
John Rocker
Stephen Baldwin
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Camacho 2016
Now we're talkin.
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Oh, OK.
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Feel the bern.
/ghetto
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
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Oh, OK.
I'm a Sanders supporter and literally face palmed when he said this.
I grew up goddamn poor and in the ghetto, I don't think he articulated his thoughts very well. He later stated how he grew up poor as well.
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Bern is certified OG. Dude probably spits fire at cook outs
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I'm a Sanders supporter and literally face palmed when he said this.
I grew up goddamn poor and in the ghetto, I don't think he articulated his thoughts very well. He later stated how he grew up poor as well.
Post the whole quote. He's talking about being black and poor and in the ghetto.
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Post the whole quote. He's talking about being black and poor and in the ghetto.
I get the context, but as I said, it was poorly articulated.
Here is the clip:
https://youtu.be/z6IlGoeDIUQ
quote starts around :45 seconds.
Even with context it's a quote that can easily be misinterpreted, twisted and used against him.
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Even with context it's a quote that can easily be hijacked by tards.
FTFY
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FTFY
That's what running for president is about in 2016. The media and your opponents will cherry pick quotes.
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Post the whole quote. He's talking about being black and poor and in the ghetto.
The media's taken a ton of excrement out of context this cycle, including (even though I don't particularly like the guy) Trump about a million times
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The media's taken a ton of excrement out of context this cycle, including (even though I don't particularly like the guy) Trump about a million times
I agree with all of that. I gave zero fucks about him and Duke.
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Then vote Trump and shut your freaking stupid unintelligent mouth. God you're insufferable, going against Trump you freaking halfwit, does not mean we want Sanders or Hillary. I swear sometimes the way you dumb down things.
Edit that was meant for DCM lol. With stupid ridiculous post to no one after JE posted Louis CK....
I dont recall saying anything about trump or going against trump, or even mentioning Hillary
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dcm, are you for Trump? If not, who's your guy?
I think Trump should kill himself personally.
Shortly after Sanders kills himself.
Honestly I think the handful of realistic candidates are absolutely batshit freaking nuts, and there is no viable realistic candidate for either party that any decent human being would vote for.
A socially moderate, not very religious, financial conservative is what I want. But instead you got the right going further to the right (or taking Trump out of the loonie bin), and the left going further to the left. Radicals everywhere and its freaking terrible.
I don't really follow politics passionately because it brings out nasty bitter ignorant fucks, but i think Gary Johnson seems to be the most appealing "mainstream-ish" candidate ive seen.
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I don't really follow politics passionately because it brings out nasty bitter ignorant fucks
I think Trump should kill himself personally.
Shortly after Sanders kills himself.
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Hard to say its bitterness when im talking about the loons on both the left and the right.
Its more like frustrated with the circus, and mindless morons who enable these creatures to exist
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Hard to say its bitterness when im talking about the loons on both the left and the right.
That's ok, still leaves us with nasty and ignorant.
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Even after a relatively disappointing 8 years in office Obama would crush every candidate on both sides this cycle. Sanders (and Sanders fans) can't communicate to a diverse enough coalition. Hilary has become less likeable and electable with every year. Cruz can't bring his evangelical rhetoric to the middle enough for the general election, especially considering his personality/punchibility. Trump has a high floor and a minuscule ceiling for the general. Rubio can't even hold the moderate Republican vote that should be his for the taking.
If Hilary wins, I suspect the running mate spot to go to Cory Booker, who has the potential to really draw in more enthusiasm for her candidacy. Trump against Clinton is going to be a brutal, ugly, and demoralizing general election campaign for everyone, though.
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If Hilary wins, I suspect the running mate spot to go to Cory Booker, who has the potential to really draw in more enthusiasm for her candidacy. Trump against Clinton is going to be a brutal, ugly, and demoralizing general election campaign for everyone, though.
I've imagined Booker as her potential VP pick for a few months now. He's very likable, but he suffers from the same kind of problematic ties to Wall St that Hillary does. It'll lock down the black vote and probably won't do much to win over the progressives, but that's still a net gain for them.
Many people think Julian Castro would be her VP pick. I know less about him.
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Even after a relatively disappointing 8 years in office Obama would crush every candidate on both sides this cycle. Sanders (and Sanders fans) can't communicate to a diverse enough coalition. Hilary has become less likeable and electable with every year. Cruz can't bring his evangelical rhetoric to the middle enough for the general election, especially considering his personality/punchibility. Trump has a high floor and a minuscule ceiling for the general. Rubio can't even hold the moderate Republican vote that should be his for the taking.
If Hilary wins, I suspect the running mate spot to go to Cory Booker, who has the potential to really draw in more enthusiasm for her candidacy. Trump against Clinton is going to be a brutal, ugly, and demoralizing general election campaign for everyone, though.
The problem is Booker doesn't deliver anything electorally. His state will always be blue. Even as a guy who would vote Trump in a general I don't buy the notion that he can "change the electoral map" for a second. New Jersey is a blue state, has been a blue state and thanks to the utter failure of the fat piece of excrement currently calling himself Governor, will be a blue state for a long time to come.
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^^ Fair enough - I suppose thinking electorally and considering how poorly Trump did in Texas, Trump against Clinton/Castro suddenly puts Texas potentially into play and the entire Southwest potentially swing toward the Democratic side.
I was thinking Booker seems like a decent bet to shore up support in Penn/Virginia, and it seems like he's been running for the VP spot for ages. Don't know much about Castro except that he's from Texas.
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I love the fact that the SCOTUS is doing fine by liberals the last couple days. Addition by (RIP) subtraction I guess.
Booker deserves a VP nod, but politically it doesn't make sense. Jersey and the black vote are going for Clinton anyway, but I guess it might bring out more votes in the contested states.
The final shot through the hull of Republican hopefuls for president is coming. Texas. Wendy Davis is a VP candidate that could tip the scales this year. I know, 2 women running seems crazy, but if you have New York, California, AND Texas... You split the rest of the states and win by a landslide.
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Romney took Texas by 1.2 million votes in 2012, and there was plenty of Mormon distrust there last time. I don't see Texas swinging blue. It's a Gore/Tennessee situation if you ask me.
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Romney took Texas by 1.2 million votes in 2012, and there was plenty of Mormon distrust there last time. I don't see Texas swinging blue. It's a Gore/Tennessee situation if you ask me.
Texas is going to swing. If not this cycle, maybe the next. When it happens, Ohio and Florida can go eat a bag of dicks.
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Texas is going to swing. If not this cycle, maybe the next. When it happens, Ohio and Florida can go eat a bag of dicks.
It definitely will if tech jobs keep booming there. I think Iggy is right that it isn't happening this time.
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Trump against Clinton is going to be a brutal, ugly, and demoralizing general election campaign for everyone, though.
It would be great to see Trump go full retard and tell Hillary to suck his dick in a debate on national television
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Wait....trump hasnt gone full retard yet?
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
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It would be great to see Trump go full retard and tell Hillary to suck his dick in a debate on national television
Mojo Nixon has been saying for months on Lyin Cocksuckers that he'll suck Trump's dick if he gets the nomination. He's not backing down.
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It would be great to see Trump go full retard and tell Hillary to suck his dick in a debate on national television
I might have to vote for him then just out of principle.
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It would be great to see Trump go full retard and tell Hillary to suck his dick in a debate on national television
I bet he tones it down and moves to the center after getting the nom.
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I bet he tones it down and moves to the center after getting the nom.
He can just show up drooling in a bunny suit and come in 2nd to Hillary. He can't win, and his supporters are too stupid to give a freak.
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He can't win
He also couldn't win Iowa or the nomination, yet here we are.
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Reminds me the image macros and comics you see online about Trump. Every week/month people are going, "haha freaking Trump it's funny but there's no way he wins"
Next thing you know the guys going to be taking the oath as POTUS in 2017
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Reminds me the image macros and comics you see online about Trump. Every week/month people are going, "haha freaking Trump it's funny but there's no way he wins"
Next thing you know the guys going to be taking the oath as POTUS in 2017
haha freaking Trump it's funny but there's no way he wins a second term
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South Park predicted this exact thing. At this point saying he can't win or calling him a racist bigot only makes him stronger.
This dude has some of the broiest bro's that ever bro'd down caring enough that they might actually go vote this year. Everytime you tell them they are assholes.for liking him the chance of them actually putting in the effort to vote goes up.
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"How did we let this happen"
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I always thought he looked more like Grandpa Munster
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My favorite was a tweet
2016 :Trump Can't win
2017: president Trump can't do that, can he?
2018: watching the hunger games tonight , hope my district wins
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haha freaking Trump it's funny but there's no way he wins a second term
Hahaha, freaking Trump. It's hilarious at this point but Congress is never going to vote to repeal the 22nd Amendment.
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"Rubio" translates from Spanish to "distant third". Who knew?
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"Rubio" translates from Spanish to "distant third". Who knew?
Mine translates Rubio to " he's a total lying piece of excrement, please please please idiots don't vote for him"
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Mine translates Rubio to " he's a total lying piece of excrement, please please please idiots don't vote for him"
Different dialect. I work with guys from Ecuador, you live in Cub...I mean Miami.
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Different dialect. I work with guys from Ecuador, you live in Cub...I mean Miami.
Oddly, Clinton translates to roughly the same.
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I still hope Trump tells Hillary to suck his dick. Or offer to suck hers.
Just for entertainment.
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Trump/Francesa 2016
https://m.youtube.com/watch?ebc=ANyPxKqnt7jRvZfA-WF7E6J9O8JumaEN4rAUIzS1toirqXmOacUyepQZjC0ZaLz3QxRACw2Qh1JU6ZZfEvoN50W0Mom22mc1Fg&time_continue=5&v=ys2F7i1wyj4
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Trump/Francesa 2016
https://m.youtube.com/watch?ebc=ANyPxKqnt7jRvZfA-WF7E6J9O8JumaEN4rAUIzS1toirqXmOacUyepQZjC0ZaLz3QxRACw2Qh1JU6ZZfEvoN50W0Mom22mc1Fg&time_continue=5&v=ys2F7i1wyj4
Hahahaha...
"I'm not werried about Chiner"
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So ppl finally got fed up with the xenophpbia in the air at trump rallies .
Free speech has consequences.
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So ppl finally got fed up with the xenophpbia in the air at trump rallies .
Free speech has consequences.
Friend of mine on facebook managed to find a youtube video claiming the protesters were violating the trump supporters civil rights. I lol'd
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Lol I can't imagine how pissed you guys would be if people did that at a Bernie Sanders rally. The reaction to this has been freaking pathetic.
"Free speech has consequences," ya freak speech I disagree with those people shouldn't be allowed to speak!
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Lol I can't imagine how pissed you guys would be if people did that at a Bernie Sanders rally. The reaction to this has been freaking pathetic.
"Free speech has consequences," ya freak speech I disagree with those people shouldn't be allowed to speak!
no. hes been allowed to speak. that was the result of him speaking. pretty simple.
Protestors should be allowed to protest and then justifiably removed. By police.
Trump has cultivated this attitude at all his previous rallies by not saying a thing about crowds turning on protesters and essentially encouraging people to pledge loyalty to him and punch his critics in the face
c'mon. you want to act surprised its reached this point?
When people are dissatisfied enough with what Sanders says then I guess the Trump people can show up too.
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no. hes been allowed to speak. that was the result of him speaking. pretty simple.
Protestors should be allowed to protest and then justifiably removed. By police.
Trump has cultivated this attitude at all his previous rallies by not saying a thing about crowds turning on protesters and essentially encouraging people to pledge loyalty to him and punch his critics in the face
c'mon. you want to act surprised its reached this point?
When people are dissatisfied enough with what Sanders says then I guess the Trump people can show up too.
ya and when Trump has people removed from his rallies by police he's called a fascist racist monster, he can't win
you're pretty much victim blaming him, he was asking for it because of what he was wearing his opinions. it's a double standard, I can't imagine how people would react if this exact same thing happened to Sanders. you can't reserve the right to speak for only people you agree with, that isn't the way it should work
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ya and when Trump has people removed from his rallies by police he's called a fascist racist monster, he can't win
you're pretty much victim blaming him, he was asking for it because of what he was wearing his opinions. it's a double standard, I can't imagine how people would react if this exact same thing happened to Sanders. you can't reserve the right to speak for only people you agree with, that isn't the way it should work
no, clearly i said protesters should be removed by police.
you decided to dodge what I said though. good job. we disagree, thats fine. not the end of the world.
freedom of speech protects you from government prosecution. not saying whatever you want whenever you want and thinking there is no repercussion whatsoever.
that is definitely where you disagree with me, and I'm sure neither of us will budge. so its a moot point.
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yes i clearly equated political fervor and protests to Trump deserving to be physically raped.
that is definitely what i meant
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ya and when Trump has people removed from his rallies by police he's called a fascist racist monster, he can't win
you're pretty much victim blaming him, he was asking for it because of what he was wearing his opinions. it's a double standard, I can't imagine how people would react if this exact same thing happened to Sanders. you can't reserve the right to speak for only people you agree with, that isn't the way it should work
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Got to love that whole free speech thing.
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Got to love that whole free speech thing.
no no, there certainly isnt any stench of white supremacy in the air at those rallies. shes just telling the gentleman how tall he is
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no, clearly i said protesters should be removed by police.
you decided to dodge what I said though. good job. we disagree, thats fine. not the end of the world.
freedom of speech protects you from government prosecution. not saying whatever you want whenever you want and thinking there is no repercussion whatsoever.
that is definitely where you disagree with me, and I'm sure neither of us will budge. so its a moot point.
I don't agree with what Trump's said so I'm not defending it, just that people peacefully attending his rallies should be able to without interruption. There's no technical right to protest at a private rally, either, but I don't think we're disagreeing on that point.
Also, freaking white supremacists amirite
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For the record I don't give a excrement.
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For the record I don't give a excrement.
I ultimately don't I'm just saying his own rhetoric came full circle
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Lol I can't imagine how pissed you guys would be if people did that at a Bernie Sanders rally. The reaction to this has been freaking pathetic.
"Free speech has consequences," ya freak speech I disagree with those people shouldn't be allowed to speak!
I'm 100% confident that I wouldn't give any less of a excrement about the bernie rally getting shut down. Hating trump doesn't automatically make you think his foil is awesome.
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Besides Tommy, who here actually supports Trump?
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Besides Tommy, who here actually supports Trump?
Tommy is probably the only one drunk enough to support Trump. But I'm more interested in how many people here want Sanders dick in or around their mouth?
Because as far as I'm concerned they're just as bad as Trump supporters
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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a42965/hillary-questions-bernies-record-on-healthcare/
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I don't really follow politics passionately because it brings out nasty bitter ignorant fucks
I think Trump should kill himself personally.
Shortly after Sanders kills himself.
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Considering the direction that politics is moving in this country i believe that the view that Sanders and Trump should kill themselves is one of the better ones
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Considering the direction that politics is moving in this country i believe that the view that Sanders and Trump should kill themselves is one of the better ones
What direction do you think politics are moving in, and why?
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What direction do you think politics are moving in, and why?
The direction that people are taking people like Trump and Sanders seriously.
Because they are
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DCM with the hard hitting points.
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DCM with the hard hitting points.
(http://i.imgur.com/mcyCT60.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/UVNZ9hd.jpg)
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I care so little about politics people should kill themselves over my passionate apathy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFUcPLVCwMc
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I care so little about politics people should kill themselves over my passionate apathy
Hahahahaha
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Tommy is probably the only one drunk enough to support Trump. But I'm more interested in how many people here want Sanders dick in or around their mouth?
Because as far as I'm concerned they're just as bad as Trump supporters
Is there a pill for your retardation?
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Is there a pill for your retardation?
You do realize after JE youre probably as far left as they come ? Possibly even more so than he is.
At least admit it, your views are radical and Sanders is an extremist. To pretend otherwise is retarded and freaking ignorant
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You do realize after JE youre probably as far left as they come ? Possibly even more so than he is.
At least admit it, your views are radical and Sanders is an extremist. To pretend otherwise is retarded and freaking ignorant
The funny thing is that you accuse people of being "radical" and "retarded" and "ignorant" in the very same post as you demonstrate what an incredibly sheltered existence you've led up to this point, and what a pitifully narrow exposure to the world you've actually had in your short life so far.
We were all young and naive once, but most of us didn't work quite as hard to demonstrate that naivety on such a consistent basis as you appear to.
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I own up to being a radical politically, but there are also times where I don't give a excrement.
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You do realize after JE youre probably as far left as they come ? Possibly even more so than he is.
At least admit it, your views are radical and Sanders is an extremist. To pretend otherwise is retarded and freaking ignorant
The most radical person in this thread is you wanting people to kill themselves or be assasinated for not seeing the world like you.
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The funny thing is that you accuse people of being "radical" and "retarded" and "ignorant" in the very same post as you demonstrate what an incredibly sheltered existence you've led up to this point, and what a pitifully narrow exposure to the world you've actually had in your short life so far.
We were all young and naive once, but most of us didn't work quite as hard to demonstrate that naivety on such a consistent basis as you appear to.
How does calling Bernie Sanders an extremist prove all those things ?
The guy posted on his freaking website his "plan" to fund all this excrement, which would literally be the biggest tax hike in the history of this country.
His "plans" for everything (listed in his words) is to raise taxes on this, reverse this tax deduction, add a tax here, add a tax there.
The guys plan for everything is literally to raise taxes
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The most radical person in this thread is you wanting people to kill themselves or be assasinated for not seeing the world like you.
You realize that I developed talking like that from being on this board right?
Heismenberg is the father I never had
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You realize that I developed talking like that from being on this board right?
Heismenberg is the father I never had
Kill yourself
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Haha damn DCM you're so scared of Bernie and he isn't even going to get the nomination. If by some miracle he became POTUS that tax plan would get gutted so hard in Congress.
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How does calling Bernie Sanders an extremist prove all those things ?
The guy posted on his freaking website his "plan" to fund all this excrement, which would literally be the biggest tax hike in the history of this country.
His "plans" for everything (listed in his words) is to raise taxes on this, reverse this tax deduction, add a tax here, add a tax there.
The guys plan for everything is literally to raise taxes
The fact that you think that Sanders, Fen or I are in any way radical or extreme says a lot about you. You're incredibly naive, and the more you post the more you demonstrate it.
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Haha damn DCM you're so scared of Bernie and he isn't even going to get the nomination. If by some miracle he became POTUS that tax plan would get gutted so hard in Congress.
Its not just Bernie is the point
The right is just as freaking stupid by pushing Trump out there.
Its like one side sees the other side is being stupid and radical, which makes the other side feel like they can be more stupid and radical.
Its sad when Hillary looks like the most "reasonable" candidate out there, despite her probably by far being the most corrupt
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The fact that you think that Sanders, Fen or I are in any way radical or extreme says a lot about you. You're incredibly naive, and the more you post the more you demonstrate it.
So the biggest tax hike in the history of the country isnt radical ? Got it
You guys are all very far left, at least in respect to United States Politics. I dont know why you like cant acknowledge that fact.
If you guys wanted to defend your opinions as somehow not extreme fine, but Sanders proposals are out there in his own words. Theres absolutely zero freaking denying that hes an extremist, to ignore that is literally delusional
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Its not just Bernie is the point
The right is just as freaking stupid by pushing Trump out there.
Its like one side sees the other side is being stupid and radical, which makes the other side feel like they can be more stupid and radical.
Its sad when Hillary looks like the most "reasonable" candidate out there, despite her probably by far being the most corrupt
I'm confident they are all corrupt in one way or another. Hillary has just had more time near the top for it to be exposed in greater detail.
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I'm confident they are all corrupt in one way or another. Hillary has just had more time near the top for it to be exposed in greater detail.
Oh no denying that. Its hard to imagine any politician being successful and not being corrupt. Shes also just the most connected due to her husband and (probably) has the most enemies which doesnt help her cause
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So the biggest tax hike in the history of the country isnt radical ? Got it
You guys are all very far left, at least in respect to United States Politics. I dont know why you like cant acknowledge that fact.
If you guys wanted to defend your opinions as somehow not extreme fine, but Sanders proposals are out there in his own words. Theres absolutely zero freaking denying that hes an extremist, to ignore that is literally delusional
Again, you're just spouting rhetoric with no basis in fact. Extremist. Radical. You sound like Fox News.
You don't know what an extremist is. You are a very silly little boy.
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So the biggest tax hike in the history of the country isnt radical ? Got it
People aren't responding to this because it's a ridiculous statement meant to scare people as ignorant as you.
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So the biggest tax hike in the history of the country isnt radical ? Got it
You guys are all very far left, at least in respect to United States Politics. I dont know why you like cant acknowledge that fact.
If you guys wanted to defend your opinions as somehow not extreme fine, but Sanders proposals are out there in his own words. Theres absolutely zero freaking denying that hes an extremist, to ignore that is literally delusional
I'm not a Sanders supporter, but it's not the biggest tax hike in the history of the country by any stretch.
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I'm not a Sanders supporter, but it's not the biggest tax hike in the history of the country by any stretch.
dcm is just terrified that a Sanders government will tax his offshore profits and the carried interest benefits from his VC returns.
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I was watching Idiocracy this morning and it's amazing how much President Camacho (Terry Crews) reminded me of Trump.
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I was watching Idiocracy this morning and it's amazing how much President Camacho (Terry Crews) reminded me of Trump.
Idiocracy is now a documentary after thus election cycle
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Idiocracy is now a documentary after thus election cycle
Get out. I'm 'baiting.
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Get out. I'm 'baiting.
BRAWNDO it's got what plants crave!
Hungover after a night in Tally we were at a crepe place . Standing in front of the fountain we asked if they have Brawndo.
The kid at the counter said . Yeah man its got what plants crave .
We laughed in delirium
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dcm is just terrified that a Sanders government will tax his offshore profits and the carried interest benefits from his VC returns.
They're his dad's, but I agree with you.
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http://pagesix.com/2016/03/08/sacha-baron-cohen-refuses-to-say-donald-trump-is-not-hiv-positive/
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I guess this should go here, vs the Game of Thrones thread. haha
https://www.yahoo.com/news/definitive-proof-donald-trump-lannister-220900348.html
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The excrement that passes for 'news' these days.
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The excrement that passes for 'news' these days.
So vote for Tywin then. lol
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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/03/14/3760061/pam-bondi-donald-trump-trump-university/
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So vote for Tywin then. lol
I'll be voting for Gary "Lord Beric Dondarrion" Johnson over Donald "Tywin Lannister" Trump, Bernie "High Sparrow" Sanders, or Hillary "Viserys Targaryen" Clinton.
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Hillary is obviously Cersei.
Spot on for Bernie.
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Hillary is obviously Cersei.
Spot on for Bernie.
I thought about that, but Cersei is hot. It kept me from making the appropriate comparison.
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I thought about that, but Cersei is hot. It kept me from making the appropriate comparison.
She's ugly enough and wants that golden crown, that comparison works for me. Yeah a big no to Cersei.
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I can't imagine anyone wants to hear Hillary screech for the next 4-8 years. Whatever your ideology.
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I can't imagine anyone wants to hear Hillary screech for the next 4-8 years. Whatever your ideology.
Her neck chin makes me want to vomit before she even starts screeching.
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I can't imagine anyone wants to hear Hillary screech for the next 4-8 years. Whatever your ideology.
Mars Attacks laugh. Bleh
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I can't imagine anyone wants to hear Hillary screech for the next 4-8 years. Whatever your ideology.
Maybe when she goes to negotiate with other countries, they will give in so they don't have to hear it anymore. Kind of like a husband who gives in after being whined and bitched at for hours on end.
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RIP Sanders campaign March 15, 2016
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RIP Sanders campaign March 15, 2016
Yeah, well, Hillary stole it and stuff.
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Kasich is forgetting that he'll still have less delegates than Rubio after tonight. And Rubio just dropped out.
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Kasich is forgetting that he'll still have less delegates than Rubio after tonight. And Rubio just dropped out.
Suspended. There's a big difference.
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I feel like I have spoken to exactly 0 Hillary supporters yet she is leading the polls
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Suspended. There's a big difference.
And that is......
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And that is......
He doesn't lose his delegates yet. They're still stuck with him unless he drops before the convention. He just won't earn new ones.
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I feel like I have spoken to exactly 0 Hillary supporters yet she is leading the polls
Nah brah, all the Bernie supporters after tonight
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I feel like I have spoken to exactly 0 Hillary supporters yet she is leading the polls
They are not exactly our peer group.
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Wait- Bernie is still in this.
@ShaunKing:Hold up. Trump has a 9 year old son? Wow. I did not know that.
Trump is 69 years old.
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Would you trust me when I say that will pale in comparison to someday paying for healthcare for a family? Don't forget to factor in time spent fighting with an insurance company that doesn't feel like covering something.
And I hope you don't think your taxes would go up 34% percent based on the title of that article. They won't.
I thought about this but forgot to answer before. You are right. It's not something I'm currently worried about at this stage in my life, but definitely should be.
Also never saw your edit before. I don't.
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freak you, Shaun King.
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I thought about this but forgot to answer before. You are right. It's not something I'm currently worried about at this stage in my life, but definitely should be.
Also never saw your edit before. I don't.
My premiums went up since I posted that.
Thanks Obama.
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for fucks sake america.
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It's really funny switching from live CNN coverage of the real primary to House of Cards' CNN coverage of Underwood's primary.
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It's really funny switching from live CNN coverage of the real primary to House of Cards' CNN coverage of Underwood's primary.
House of Cards is good again this season. I'm about 10 episodes in.
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freak you, Shaun King.
I would vote for someone if they ran on this platform
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I thought about this but forgot to answer before. You are right. It's not something I'm currently worried about at this stage in my life, but definitely should be.
Also never saw your edit before. I don't.
Thank you for this post. I respect it immensely when anyone has the balls to say something like that.
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Would you trust me when I say that will pale in comparison to someday paying for healthcare for a family? Don't forget to factor in time spent fighting with an insurance company that doesn't feel like covering something.
And I hope you don't think your taxes would go up 34% percent based on the title of that article. They won't.
I just spent a good portion of my life's savings on this excrement, health care is cost prohibitive for a family but you can't do without it. I spent well over $1400 a month in healthcare stuff, insurance, meds etc. etc. That's just monthly items, not extraordinary, ugh.
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He doesn't lose his delegates yet. They're still stuck with him unless he drops before the convention. He just won't earn new ones.
It only matters if there is a contested convention, right? At the moment it looks like Trump will have the necessary delegates locked up by then.
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It only matters if there is a contested convention, right? At the moment it looks like Trump will have the necessary delegates locked up by then.
Exactly. Trump's loss in Ohio will make it much more difficult for him to get the delegates he needs. What this means, is that during the 1st vote at the convention, bound delegates, which includes anyone that has 'suspended' their campaign (Rubio, Bush, Carson) must vote for their assigned candidate. If any of those 3 decide to completely drop out, their delegates become unbound, allowing them to vote for whoever during the 1st vote. If nobody gets a majority in the 1st vote (by my understanding), ALL delegates become unbound for the 2nd vote and can vote for anyone, even non-candidates, which is when all hell breaks loose.
The 'anyone but Trump' movement is hoping for that 2nd vote. They should be careful what they wish for though... As I have said before, if Trump goes in with the most delegates and doesn't end up with the nomination, he will certainly go 3rd party, and Clinton will be the next president.
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Exactly. Trump's loss in Ohio will make it much more difficult for him to get the delegates he needs. What this means, is that during the 1st vote at the convention, bound delegates, which includes anyone that has 'suspended' their campaign (Rubio, Bush, Carson) must vote for their assigned candidate. If any of those 3 decide to completely drop out, their delegates become unbound, allowing them to vote for whoever during the 1st vote. If nobody gets a majority in the 1st vote (by my understanding), ALL delegates become unbound for the 2nd vote and can vote for anyone, even non-candidates, which is when all hell breaks loose.
The 'anyone but Trump' movement is hoping for that 2nd vote. They should be careful what they wish for though... As I have said before, if Trump goes in with the most delegates and doesn't end up with the nomination, he will certainly go 3rd party, and Clinton will be the next president.
I think Trump is the type that would rather claim that the Republican establishment screwed him and say freak it rather than go in as an independent and almost assuredly lose the general. He's using the threat of a third party run to scare the GOP establishment voters into voting for him, lest they want a guaranteed President Hillary.
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I think Trump is the type that would rather claim that the Republican establishment screwed him and say freak it rather than go in as an independent and almost assuredly lose the general. He's using the threat of a third party run to scare the GOP establishment voters into voting for him, lest they want a guaranteed President Hillary.
You give him too much credit. If he is denied the nomination, his ego will not allow him to stop there. Have you ever known Trump to say 'freak it' and walk away?
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You give him too much credit. If he is denied the nomination, his ego will not allow him to stop there. Have you ever known Trump to say 'freak it' and walk away?
He's not dumb. He knows he'll lose if he runs as an independent. I know the type. There's a reason he didn't run in 2012. He didn't enter this to lose. He'd rather go through life saying he would've won had the GOP didn't screw him over than run and come in 3rd place.
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He's not dumb. He knows he'll lose if he runs as an independent. I know the type. There's a reason he didn't run in 2012. He didn't enter this to lose. He'd rather go through life saying he would've won had the GOP didn't screw him over than run and come in 3rd place.
The GOP screwing him over is exactly the reason he will run. He will lose to Hillary, but he will destroy any candidate the republicans put forward. Trust me, he would rather return the screwing and watch Hillary win, while laughing at the republican that comes in 3rd. He can still go through life saying he would have won had they nominated him.
And the republican candidate will come in 3rd, even if it is close.
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The GOP screwing him over is exactly the reason he will run. He will lose to Hillary, but he will destroy any candidate the republicans put forward. Trust me, he would rather return the screwing and watch Hillary win, while laughing at the republican that comes in 3rd. He can still go through life saying he would have won had they nominated him.
And the republican candidate will come in 3rd, even if it is close.
Good point.
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As usual our elected officials show they don't give a rats derriere about us, they just care about the fight between parties.
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As usual our elected officials show they don't give a rats derriere about us, they just care about the fight between parties.
Of course not. It's a job and a career for these people. If I had to campaign for my job, or for promotions every few years, I'd say whatever the freak I'd need to get elected/re-elected.
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Of course not. It's a job and a career for these people. If I had to campaign for my job, or for promotions every few years, I'd say whatever the freak I'd need to get elected/re-elected.
This. It is sad but entirely true.
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I don't participate in Trump bashing because a lot of it is overblown and he's a low hanging fruit in general, but this is unacceptable. What a freaking sad excuse for a human being.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/16/what-people-who-ruin-steak-like-donald-trump-have-in-common/
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I don't participate in Trump bashing because a lot of it is overblown and he's a low hanging fruit in general, but this is unacceptable. What a freaking sad excuse for a human being.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/16/what-people-who-ruin-steak-like-donald-trump-have-in-common/
While I think that's an affront to good taste, my father also likes his steaks well done. Different strokes I guess.
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I don't participate in Trump bashing because a lot of it is overblown and he's a low hanging fruit in general, but this is unacceptable. What a freaking sad excuse for a human being.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/16/what-people-who-ruin-steak-like-donald-trump-have-in-common/
Why does that surprise you? What is it about everything in Mr Trump's exceedingly well documented public life over the last couple of decades or so that makes you think he would possess a single iota of taste or class?
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While I think that's an affront to good taste, my father also likes his steaks well done. Different strokes I guess.
Everything you said after the word taste was irrelevant.
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"I don't give a excrement about his policies but how dare he like his steak well-done!" aka why American politics is awful in a nutshell
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"I don't give a excrement about his policies but how dare he like his steak well-done!" aka why American politics is awful in a nutshell
No, his policies are a pile of rancid queynte as well, this is just the straw that breaks the camel's back. If he's a good person with sound ideas no one gives a freak how he eats his steak.
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I can't tell when someone is being facetious so I'm going to respond in dcm mode
FTFY
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I know his policies well enough, and I disagree with enough of them to the point where I wouldn't vote for him. That's the end of the story for me. I don't feel the need to turn my FB feed into a stream of "OMG LOOK WHAT HE DID NOW" panic. Sorry for ruining American politics.
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I know his policies well enough, and I disagree with enough of them to the point where I wouldn't vote for him. That's the end of the story for me. I don't feel the need to turn my FB feed into a stream of "OMG LOOK WHAT HE DID NOW" panic. Sorry for ruining American politics.
Shut up, Antichrist
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http://www.dailydot.com/lol/ted-cruz-michael-sweet-stryper/?fb=dd
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Andrew Jackson basically had an entire party created behind him when he was screwed out of the presidency in 1824. If Trump just kind of fades into the night with a bunch of "should'ves", he's even more of a clown than people think.
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FTFY
lol
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(https://i.imgur.com/C9Y0mgy.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/C9Y0mgy.jpg)
hahahaha
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That's the most ridiculous stance she publicly holds and I don't know how she doesn't get called out on it more.
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That's the most ridiculous stance she publicly holds and I don't know how she doesn't get called out on it more.
Just wait until that first debate with Trump.
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That's the most ridiculous stance she publicly holds and I don't know how she doesn't get called out on it more.
Cars and email servers are not designed specifically to kill people. Cocaine and Meth makers would be a slightly less stupid argument, and those people go to jail.
Guns are made to kill. They have no other purpose for existing.
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Cars and email servers are not designed specifically to kill people. Cocaine and Meth makers would be a slightly less stupid argument, and those people go to jail.
Guns are made to kill. They have no other purpose for existing.
But it's not illegal to manufacture guns. Unless you're advocating that gun procession and manufacturing should be illegal then you should just drop the ridiculous argument altogether.
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But it's not illegal to manufacture guns. Unless you're advocating that gun procession and manufacturing should be illegal then you should just drop the ridiculous argument altogether.
Why are guns manufactured? Their only purpose is to kill. I'm not the dumbass that equated cars to guns. I was just calling out how retarded that was.
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We might not hold car manufacturers responsible for drunk driving deaths, but there's legislation to hold the suppliers of the alcohol responsible. "The gun industry" doesn't necessarily have to mean the companies that made them.
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She means gun manufacturers. This isn't a new talking point for her.
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(http://i.imgur.com/rJeUyOA.jpg)
This has been going around again. Fake, but funny.
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Was Fox News channel even around in 1998?
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Was Fox News channel even around in 1998?
It was around the time it got started.
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Was Fox News channel even around in 1998?
Barely. It certainly didn't have the same reputation, but that meme is a pretty prime example of how you can sell people on a fake story if you play to their preconceived notions. I first saw it around Christmas, and it's been going around again this week as though it wasn't disproved.
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Barely. It certainly didn't have the same reputation, but that meme is a pretty prime example of how you can sell people on a fake story if you play to their preconceived notions. I first saw it around Christmas, and it's been going around again this week as though it wasn't disproved.
What's funnier is that if you watch the Oprah interview where the still is from, he pretty much says the same thing about trade, except it was the Japanese then and Chinese now.
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U.S. Senator Marco Rubio says he will not run for re-election, will not run for governor, and will not be anyone's vice president - CBS
He's also taking his ball and going home.
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He's also taking his ball and going home.
What a sad little man.
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Good Rubio sucks.
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Good Rubio sucks.
He should get an actual job, then next time around he won't have to talk about how hard his parents worked.
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He should get an actual job, then next time around he won't have to talk about how hard his parents worked.
Hold on man, you mean getting stipends from big sugar, given houses at 50% below true cost or more, a credit card to literally expense anything under the sun and a salary to literally do blow off hookers asses in Columbia isn't true work?
Edit, sorry I was reading the travel thread and got that last hooker part confused with Tommy, it was Vegas not Columbia, my bad.
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Barely. It certainly didn't have the same reputation, but that meme is a pretty prime example of how you can sell people on a fake story if you play to their preconceived notions. I first saw it around Christmas, and it's been going around again this week as though it wasn't disproved.
I liked that for about a minute when someone shared it last week or the week before and then immediately realized it was too perfect and had to check. Felt bad that I may have spread it to someone else
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Old, but still:
(http://i.imgur.com/sVtSPMu.jpg)
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Hold on man, you mean getting stipends from big sugar, given houses at 50% below true cost or more, a credit card to literally expense anything under the sun and a salary to literally do blow off hookers asses in Columbia isn't true work?
Edit, sorry I was reading the travel thread and got that last hooker part confused with Tommy, it was Vegas not Columbia, my bad.
Now you got me wanting to run for office.
I suspect Rubio might be a cokehead. No evidence, basing it on his Latin roots, Florida location and how much he sweats.
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Rubio tanking his political career is pretty hilarious.
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Rubio tanking his political career is pretty hilarious.
He'll get a good draft pick next year though.
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Cars and email servers are not designed specifically to kill people. Cocaine and Meth makers would be a slightly less stupid argument, and those people go to jail.
Guns are made to kill. They have no other purpose for existing.
Whats her stance on the cigarette industry ?
Because im pretty sure they kill more people in a year than guns probably have in the history of the united states (excluding wars)
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Whats her stance on the cigarette industry ?
Because im pretty sure they kill more people in a year than guns probably have in the history of the united states (excluding wars)
Bill CLinton hit the tobacco industry extremely hard as part of his presidency, George W. didn't follow up prosecuting them like Bill's DoJ wanted to. Hillary has been publically anti-Tobacco as well.
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Whats her stance on the cigarette industry ?
Because im pretty sure they kill more people in a year than guns probably have in the history of the united states (excluding wars)
Cigarettes are not made with the sole intention of killing people. Closer example, but no. Though like guns, they are only legal because they own congress.
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Bill CLinton hit the tobacco industry extremely hard as part of his presidency, George W. didn't follow up prosecuting them like Bill's DoJ wanted to. Hillary has been publically anti-Tobacco as well.
Guns and Tobacco. Proudly brought to you by the paid for southern republican congressmen.
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Cigarettes are not made with the sole intention of killing people. Closer example, but no. Though like guns, they are only legal because they own congress.
But whats more significant something that is intended to kill people, or that actually does ?
In 2013 there was roughly 30,000 deaths by guns (around 66% were suicides)
Cigarettes kills almost 500,000 a year.
And that doesnt even count the astronomical amount of comorbidities and healthcare costs that cigarettes drive up.
Maybe its me but I think cigarettes are way way WAY worse than guns and its not even remotely close.
(and for the record I dont give an ounce of freak about guns either way, I just think its very sad its such a hot political issue when in the grand scheme of things its not very significant)
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Trump sounds almost positiveish in this article
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/how-trump-re-branded-the-gop-213745
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But whats more significant something that is intended to kill people, or that actually does ?
In 2013 there was roughly 30,000 deaths by guns (around 66% were suicides)
Cigarettes kills almost 500,000 a year.
You know what else killed 500,000 people? The Iraq War Hillary voted for.
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But whats more significant something that is intended to kill people, or that actually does ?
In 2013 there was roughly 30,000 deaths by guns (around 66% were suicides)
Cigarettes kills almost 500,000 a year.
And that doesnt even count the astronomical amount of comorbidities and healthcare costs that cigarettes drive up.
Maybe its me but I think cigarettes are way way WAY worse than guns and its not even remotely close.
(and for the record I dont give an ounce of freak about guns either way, I just think its very sad its such a hot political issue when in the grand scheme of things its not very significant)
I understand your argument and I don't think it's without some merit, but you're missing the key point. No one drops their kids off at school and worries that they might not come home at the end of the day because another parent didn't lock their cigarettes up. No one worries that the weird guy at work who sits three cubicles over might bring his smokes to the office. No one gets shot by the police because the police are concerned that they might have a pack of Winstons in their jacket pocket.
Smoking is a huge problem, but it's a legitimate personal freedom discussion. Firearms, not so much.
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Eric Garner was strangled by the police for selling loose cigarettes.
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Eric Garner was strangled by the police for selling loose cigarettes.
He was strangled for resisting arrest, because he was a criminal who acted like a criminal.
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He was strangled for resisting arrest, because he was a criminal who acted like a criminal.
We were doing so well on the gun thing, why'd you have to ruin it?
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Next DCM speeds a cop should shoot his tire out.
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Eric Garner was strangled by the police for selling loose cigarettes.
I'm not really sure that the main thrust of that issue is cigarettes, is it?
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You know what else killed 500,000 people? The Iraq War Hillary voted for.
And the civilian casualties resulting from the countless drone strikes that our Nobel Peace prize winning President authorized (not against that btw, just saying).
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And the civilian casualties resulting from the countless drone strikes that our Nobel Peace prize winning President authorized (not against that btw, just saying).
its all the freaking millionaires and billionaires fault doe
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its all the freaking millionaires and billionaires fault doe
I put some dude at work today in his place. He said that electing a president running on a populous platform (referring to Trump, saying his supporters really love him) is dangerous. I asked how that's any different from the army of Obama supporters in 2008. Hell, they held concerts and every college campus threw a party when that guy was elected. The only reason why anyone is complaining about Trump's popularity is because it's mostly poor white people. freak them, right?
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Sadly Trumps political views isnt even his biggest issue (though I have no idea what they are since all he does is talk out his derriere like Obama did) . Its his rhetoric and demeanor that are just downright horrible.
Trump Supporters are no different than Sanders supporters. Well outside of Sanders supporters average age is probably in their 20s
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Sadly Trumps political views isnt even his biggest issue (though I have no idea what they are since all he does is talk out his derriere like Obama did) . Its his rhetoric and demeanor that are just downright horrible.
Trump Supporters are no different than Sanders supporters. Well outside of Sanders supporters average age is probably in their 20s
I think he's made plenty of his views plainly clear. Health care, tax plan, illegal immigration, etc.
It's actually kind of funny that he has the same position as John Kerry did on jobs being shipped overseas. John Kerry's biggest talking point was the whole "Bush is outsourcing jobs overseas".
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Sadly Trumps political views isnt even his biggest issue (though I have no idea what they are since all he does is talk out his derriere like Obama did) . Its his rhetoric and demeanor that are just downright horrible.
Trump Supporters are no different than Sanders supporters. Well outside of Sanders supporters average age is probably in their 20s
In the same post you dismiss a few million people as ignorant and then admit that you don't know anything about a candidate besides what you've seen on TV.
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In the same post you dismiss a few million people as ignorant and then admit that you don't know anything about a candidate besides what you've seen on TV.
What is the American Voter?
I'll take roman politics for $800, Alex.
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In the same post you dismiss a few million people as ignorant and then admit that you don't know anything about a candidate besides what you've seen on TV.
Because Sanders supporters don't do the exact same thing with Trump supporters right?
And my point about Trump is thst he doesn't talk about the excrement going on. He just incites anger and violence
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Because Sanders supporters don't do the exact same thing with Trump supporters right?
And my point about Trump is thst he doesn't talk about the excrement going on. He just incites anger and violence
What are you talking about? His focus has always been on tax reform, trade imbalance, and illegal immigration. All big topics. The GOP is angry because he isn't talking about gay marriage or abortion. As a moderate republican he's exactly what we need to bring the GOP back towards the center.
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I put some dude at work today in his place. He said that electing a president running on a populous platform (referring to Trump, saying his supporters really love him) is dangerous. I asked how that's any different from the army of Obama supporters in 2008. Hell, they held concerts and every college campus threw a party when that guy was elected. The only reason why anyone is complaining about Trump's popularity is because it's mostly poor white people. freak them, right?
It's populist, not populous.
The closest thing to Trump's candidacy is obviously Andrew Jackson, who also positioned himself more as an opponent than a proponent and largely drew people in on their dissatisfaction and feelings of disenfranchisement.
However, the closest campaign I've actually witnessed to Trump is Schwarzenegger during the California recall. He was VERY toned down, but his entire campaign was run on little bits of "this is what's wrong with California and its politicians". He smashed vehicles to protest car taxes. He spoke vaguely about issues without giving concrete solutions. His supporters frequently said "I like his passion and his outsider status." When I asked about specifics, they'd all say "He will surround himself with smart people to help him make decisions to fix it." Modern campaigns can be run on sound bytes and without any clue how to realistically fulfill promises.
I voted against the recall that year on principle, but my vote was for another Republican, Tom McClintock, with a very concrete plan to fix California. Electing Schwarzenegger did nothing to help this state. I'm worried it will be even worse with Trump given the specific bent of his issues and the scope of his candidacy. Schwarzenegger invoked passion, but it wasn't directed toward hatred and violence like many Trump supporters. It's the makeup of that populist campaign that's frightening. Unfortunately, I don't see any candidates I like among the alternatives either.
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However, the closest campaign I've actually witnessed to Trump is Schwarzenegger during the California recall. He was VERY toned down, but his entire campaign was run on little bits of "this is what's wrong with California and its politicians". He smashed vehicles to protest car taxes. He spoke vaguely about issues without giving concrete solutions. His supporters frequently said "I like his passion and his outsider status." When I asked about specifics, they'd all say "He will surround himself with smart people to help him make decisions to fix it." Modern campaigns can be run on sound bytes and without any clue how to realistically fulfill promises.
I voted against the recall that year on principle, but my vote was for another Republican, Tom McClintock, with a very concrete plan to fix California. Electing Schwarzenegger did nothing to help this state. I'm worried it will be even worse with Trump given the specific bent of his issues and the scope of his candidacy. Schwarzenegger invoked passion, but it wasn't directed toward hatred and violence like many Trump supporters. It's the makeup of that populist campaign that's frightening. Unfortunately, I don't see any candidates I like among the alternatives either.
It's because he appeals to voters with IQ's that rival this:
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I wish there were a viable alternative but there isn't. I will vote for the best candidate, neither of which is named Trump or Clinton, I don't care if it's a throw away. I know both of those assholes will be a disaster for this country.
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It's because he appeals to voters with IQ's that rival this:
(http://www.yellowpages.com.au/content/articles/fast-growing-plants-for-the-garden-landscape/jcr%3Acontent/article-content/text_image_floating/textimagefloating/image.img.jpg/1428913056472.jpg)
I wish there were a viable alternative but there isn't. I will vote for the best candidate, neither of which is named Trump or Clinton, I don't care if it's a throw away. I know both of those assholes will be a disaster for this country.
It's not a throwaway. It would just mean more if all disaffected people voted for the candidate who best represents their interests. People have this stupid idea that the only reason to vote is to vote for one of the two major candidates. We need to get people to understand the effect of a significant 3rd party turnout.
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Anonymous has released Trump's social security number and cell. I'm obviously not posting them here. Fucked up to say the least.
EDIT: And apparently it's old info. Nice job, idiots.
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An old SS#?
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It's not a throwaway. It would just mean more if all disaffected people voted for the candidate who best represents their interests. People have this stupid idea that the only reason to vote is to vote for one of the two major candidates. We need to get people to understand the effect of a significant 3rd party turnout.
These numbers are a year old, but they're clearly trending in the direction that you say.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/180440/new-record-political-independents.aspx
You're absolutely right in a way, the problem is that Independent isn't a third party or candidate - it's lots of them. If there were a single third option that could capture that vote then it could have a huge impact.
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An old SS#?
Old news, as in the SS# has been out since 2013.
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These numbers are a year old, but they're clearly trending in the direction that you say.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/180440/new-record-political-independents.aspx
You're absolutely right in a way, the problem is that Independent isn't a third party or candidate - it's lots of them. If there were a single third option that could capture that vote then it could have a huge impact.
There are only two that really capture a lot of people. Libertarian and Green. The American Independent Party gets a lot of people who choose "independent" when they don't want to be Democrats or Republicans, but it doesn't have much real support.
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Because Sanders supporters don't do the exact same thing with Trump supporters right?
Some do, some don't. I don't.
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I'm all for people's right to protest but blocking major roads should be illegal. These morons are doing nothing to help their cause, probably making it worse by having people resent them.
I also don't get why they think Trump is racist anyway. Every time I bring it up with someone who's anti-Trump they just ramble on about the wall comments. Christ. If people think Trump is the problem then they really aren't paying attention.
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Oh BLM protesters blocked an ambulance in Chicago. Classy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUBwhNzZIU
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Oh BLM protesters blocked an ambulance in Chicago. Classy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUBwhNzZIU
Would be ironic if there was a black person in the ambulance
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Would be ironic if there was a black person in the ambulance
I don't get the cheering as if blocking an ambulance is some kind of accomplishment.
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I don't get the cheering as if blocking an ambulance is some kind of accomplishment.
It's mob mentality. These people are there to riot, there is no reasoning to excrement like this. Same thing when you see Vancouver burning cars after their hockey team lost.
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Oh BLM protesters blocked an ambulance in Chicago. Classy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUBwhNzZIU
Should run those fuckers over
Any scumbag willing to block In an ambulance to "protest" deserves to get ran over
Especially since the trial ended for a big case of where the blocked an ambulance in January of last year, and the dbag liberal judge let them off with 60 hours of community service.
Apparently black lives matter and everyone else's don't. This is why most Americans think the BLM movement is a bunch of savages
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I'm all for people's right to protest but blocking major roads should be illegal. These morons are doing nothing to help their cause, probably making it worse by having people resent them.
I agree.
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Oh BLM protesters blocked an ambulance in Chicago. Classy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUBwhNzZIU
If only they could use food stamps to buy a better camera we could have them all identified and arrested. Was that shot on a 1982 potato?
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I agree.
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Hahahahahaha
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The more these idiots speak, the more I like Trump:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=3m40s&v=c21mhN7fDaI
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The more these idiots speak, the more I like Trump:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=3m40s&v=c21mhN7fDaI
Which one is Badger?
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"Your PRIVILEGE is not welcome here! So unless you're here to DISMANTLE your PRIVILEGE, get out of here!"
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its all the freaking millionaires and billionaires fault doe
For the most part it is. I've got spec ops friends I've got grunt friends I know CO's who've called in air strikes themselves.
Not one of them feels like they've fought for anything other than brotherhood with their troops and other people's money .
I discussed this with a good friend who was deployed on thr front line and I'll spare you some stories.
Even he said
"I'm with you on that, war is nothing more than extreme corporate espionage now a days. Not saying I wouldn't go back, but it would be to make sure my boys come home"
I get a slightly altered but at the core similar statement out of most of my veteran and active duty service friends .
I made a long statement about how we're in a proxy war fighting ideas, not terrorists. Almost every group of the last 15 years was essentially the equivalent of training junkyard dogs and they go rabid and turn on you . You can't defeat an idea, terrorism is not an entity no matter how many names and cells pop up from the remnants of bad foreign policy .
We kill civilians all the time and that's all the recruitment you will ever need in a 3rd world country .
War only ends for dead people . Listening to the fight my friends come home to is bad also. I've had to keep a close eye on a few
Why I'm attempting to paint this picture for DCM is beyond me .
Forget it lol
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What is the American Voter?
I'll take roman politics for $800, Alex.
Lololol
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It's because he appeals to voters with IQ's that rival this:
(http://www.yellowpages.com.au/content/articles/fast-growing-plants-for-the-garden-landscape/jcr%3Acontent/article-content/text_image_floating/textimagefloating/image.img.jpg/1428913056472.jpg)
I wish there were a viable alternative but there isn't. I will vote for the best candidate, neither of which is named Trump or Clinton, I don't care if it's a throw away. I know both of those assholes will be a disaster for this country.
Not that I'm old but definitely the worst election I've been alive for . But it's the result of a broken system.
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If we're going to summon the lowest common denominators of a sanders rally let's be fair n shine the light on trumps trogoladyte's
https://youtu.be/kjPmzw1SbBk
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"Your PRIVILEGE is not welcome here! So unless you're here to DISMANTLE your PRIVILEGE, get out of here!"
Rofl. Was waiting for her to get blasted in the face like most guys wpuld when someone stands in front of you screaming
Gender equality
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I also have friends who don't want to be thanked for their service on veterans day and stuff like that for the same reasons. Military service seems to produce people who are willing to admit it isn't what the propaganda says it is. (Yes, you are fed propaganda in this country, and you like it, DCM) then the others who double down on the propaganda and want everyone to worship the ground they walk on for the rest of their lives.
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Which one is Badger?
I'm not anti-Trump. I'm just not voting for him.
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I'm not anti-Trump. I'm just not voting for him.
You are radical as freak, bro. Chill with trying to destory America.
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I'm not anti-Trump. I'm just not voting for him.
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Hahaha
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I'm not anti-Trump. I'm just not voting for him.
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So... Elizabeth Warren vs Trump is entertaining.
“She’s got about as much Indian blood as I have,” Trump said. “Her whole life was based on a fraud. She got into Harvard and all that because she said she was a minority.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/elizabeth-warren-trump-loser-221045
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So... Elizabeth Warren vs Trump is entertaining.
“She’s got about as much Indian blood as I have,” Trump said. “Her whole life was based on a fraud. She got into Harvard and all that because she said she was a minority.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/elizabeth-warren-trump-loser-221045
Elizabeth Warren is so fuckn' annoying. She's the one that started that whole "student loan debt forgiveness" crap.
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I have no problem with anything she said. Pretty great stuff. I also have no problem with hating on the student loan debt forgiveness. Pretty happy all around here.
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Elizabeth Warren is so fuckn' annoying. She's the one that started that whole "student loan debt forgiveness" crap.
Before you post, please look in the mirror and tell yourself that you support Trump.
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Christ I cannot stand Hillary's voice. Jesus.
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Christ I cannot stand Hillary's voice. Jesus.
Ditto. She sounds like a dying cat.
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All the remaining candidates have distinctive voices except Kasich.
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Christ I cannot stand Hillary's voice. Jesus.
Hillary and Cruz are the two that annoy me the most.
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Who is probably the most reasonable and sane candidate left in the presidential race, excluding 3rd party candidates?
Obviously whoever this person has zero chance of winning, im just curious who it would be
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Imagine a candidate with Cruz's face and Hillary's voice. I would move to Canada.
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Who is probably the most reasonable and sane candidate left in the presidential race, excluding 3rd party candidates?
Obviously whoever this person has zero chance of winning, im just curious who it would be
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#Brewster2016
#noneoftheabove
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#Brewster2016
#noneoftheabove
MBGreen thanks you for this reference.
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MBGreen thanks you for this reference.
80's nostalgia FTW
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No wonder nobody respects young people
http://emorywheel.com/emory-students-express-discontent-with-administrative-response-to-trump-chalkings/
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Wow what a bunch of whiny pussies, I wish every single one of them got punched in their face to toughen them up.
They truly feel unsafe because somebody chalked Donald Trumps name? Send those faggots to Winnipeg.
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LOL
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Is that really happening? Jesus Christ. Those idiots are just begging people to vote for Trump.
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I'm assuming he's joking until proven otherwise.
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I'm assuming he's joking until proven otherwise.
That guy actually is. Hilarious.
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I'm assuming he's joking until proven otherwise.
Its hard to tell
Apparently people are freaking out there, acting like someone is burning crosses.
Young people are seriously freaking deranged
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Its hard to tell
It's really not.
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So in today's news, Trump did not get his good friend, the CEO of the National Enquirer, to expose Ted Cruz's five affairs.
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Kids beings self centered idiots isn't news. Me me me has long been the order of the day for college students in one form or another. What I find more troubling is the response from the school. They're going to seek to prosecute whoever...wrote a campaign endorsement in chalk. A washable statement of support and they're going to seek prosecution. What's more, they're undertaking the investigation themselves. So we now have a rather well considered university using school funds to find out who supports Trump and punish them for it.
I expect excrement like this from college students. Whether they're hazing pledges or playing pranks or bitching about unfair treatment over excrement that doesn't matter, they act selfishly and stupidly. The school should know better and be better.
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That guy actually is. Hilarious.
Get that guy to post here he has a good sense of humor.
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Hahahahaha
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bahaha.
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wow lol
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Haha that's some next level fat guy stuff. Probably too hard to get his hand in the small bag.
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I'm gonna eat your hoo-ha like a booger
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I'm gonna eat your hoo-ha like a booger
Think he talks dirty to his M&Ms?
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From the Washington caucuses, via The Guardian:
"A man called Gregory raised eyebrows when, arguing on behalf of Clinton, he suggested that men are not up to the task of governing. “It’s a clearly stated, scientifically proven [fact] that men can’t multitask,” he said."
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From the Washington caucuses, via The Guardian:
"A man called Gregory raised eyebrows when, arguing on behalf of Clinton, he suggested that men are not up to the task of governing. “It’s a clearly stated, scientifically proven [fact] that men can’t multitask,” he said."
Greg can go drink some freaking bailey's out of an old shoe
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Greg can go drink some freaking bailey's out of an old shoe
Hey, it geg
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http://youtu.be/v75wCTMZoSY
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https://vine.co/v/inMHuhU9A0Q
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPZ9FpyN_9s
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LOL.
http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/donald-trump-revealed-how-hell-force-mexico-to-pay-for-the-wall-and-its-pretty-nuts-vgtrn
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LOL.
http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/donald-trump-revealed-how-hell-force-mexico-to-pay-for-the-wall-and-its-pretty-nuts-vgtrn
The burden really should fall onto Mexico though. They've done a pee poor job of securing their own borders, not that they give a excrement anyway. They have literally no incentive to keep people from leaving Mexico. Escaped criminals? Go on ahead and be America's problem. We can all question how exactly we'll fix the problem, but acknowledging the problem is just as important.
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The burden really should fall onto Mexico though. They've done a pee poor job of securing their own borders, not that they give a excrement anyway. They have literally no incentive to keep people from leaving Mexico. Escaped criminals? Go on ahead and be America's problem. We can all question how exactly we'll fix the problem, but acknowledging the problem is just as important.
lolno
If my dog keeps shitting on your lawn you can ask me to build a fence on my property, and I can tell you to freak off and we can go from there, or you can build your own fence on your own property at your own cost, but if you build a fence and then send me the bill you're going to end up looking very silly.
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lolno
If my dog keeps shitting on your lawn you can ask me to build a fence on my property, and I can tell you to freak off and we can go from there, or you can build your own fence on your own property at your own cost, but if you build a fence and then send me the bill you're going to end up looking very silly.
We send about $300 million in aid to Mexico every year. We can stop that, as well as threaten sanctions until they get their excrement together and stop letting waves of people into the country illegally.
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We send about $300 million in aid to Mexico every year. We can stop that, as well as threaten sanctions until they get their excrement together and stop letting waves of people into the country illegally.
Cool. All that excrement is legal and while it's arguable whether it will help the problem or make it worse, it's an entirely legitimate position to take. If Trump had decided to take that position rather than saying he was going to build a really big wall and then send Mexico the bill and then force them to pay it by causing riots in the streets of Tijuana, maybe he wouldn't be such an utter joke of a candidate.
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US: Pay for the fence!
Mexico: Hey go freak yourself
US: we will stop all aid to your country
Mexico: Get aids.
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How would you realistically and cheaply build a wall where a river crosses the border? Paco's just gonna swim.
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How would you realistically and cheaply build a wall where a river crosses the border? Paco's just gonna swim.
You don't need a wall to patrol a river. The coast guard can cover that.
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In what row boats? LMAO The Coast Guard doesn't patrol rivers.
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In what row boats? LMAO The Coast Guard doesn't patrol rivers.
Doesn't have to be the coast guard, but we already have border control on the Rio Grande valley.
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By the way, the anti-wall argument always boils down to "it'll be too hard, so freak it." No, that's not good enough. Illegal immigration is a problem, and we're currently doing freak-all about it. Calling building a wall racist and stupid isn't solving anything. No one wants to come up with a better idea.
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Doesn't have to be the coast guard, but we already have border control on the Rio Grande valley.
It would be the border patrol. Coast Guard adheres to maritime law which doesn't cover rivers and lakes as far as I know, Of course I could be wrong.
Reading through, the Coast Guard fixes navigational devices in all waterways. So they can possibly patrol rivers even though I have never heard of them doing it.
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I can't stand the Bernie spam anymore... holy freak I hate him
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I can't stand the Bernie spam anymore... holy freak I hate him
Racist
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
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I can't stand the Bernie spam anymore... holy freak I hate him
It'll go away soon when he's knocked out. Oh wait, no. Then it'll turn into nothing but Hillary cheated rants through next year's Trump inauguration.
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By the way, the anti-wall argument always boils down to "it'll be too hard, so freak it." No, that's not good enough. Illegal immigration is a problem, and we're currently doing freak-all about it. Calling building a wall racist and stupid isn't solving anything. No one wants to come up with a better idea.
I don't think that "it will be too hard" is the biggest wall argument, although it's a fun one because it will be ridiculously expensive and "we'll make them pay" is a stupid answer. The reason for not building a wall is because it's complete idiocy on all sorts of levels.
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Speaking of racism who deleted my freaking Yankees thread post
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Speaking of racism who deleted my freaking Yankees thread post
Who has a history of deleting your posts. Search your feelings, Luke.
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
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Speaking of racism who deleted my freaking Yankees thread post
I did and phuck you and your post.
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Speaking of racism who deleted my freaking Yankees thread post
I think the expression you were looking for was "thank you for not banning me", and you're welcome.
Sent from my SM-G920W8 using Tapatalk
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It's the offseason you'd be doing me a favor
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http://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department
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I can't stand the Bernie spam anymore... holy freak I hate him
"I don't give a excrement about his policies but his supporters post on Reddit too much" aka why American politics is awful in a nutshell
FTFY
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It's the offseason you'd be doing me a favor
Posting isn't mandatory, you're welcome to take some time off if you wish.
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FTFY
eh, i'm pretty sure I've already explained why I don't like them on here, no need to rehash
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Posting isn't mandatory, you're welcome to take some time off if you wish.
Yes that's one thing this place needs, a funny bundle of sticks poster to retire. Phuck off JE.
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Lol what happened now
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Lol what happened now
Hahah I just saw a little fire and tried to put it out by pouring some gas on it.
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Posting isn't mandatory, you're welcome to take some time off if you wish.
Let my people go
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By the way, the anti-wall argument always boils down to "it'll be too hard, so freak it." No, that's not good enough. Illegal immigration is a problem, and we're currently doing freak-all about it. Calling building a wall racist and stupid isn't solving anything. No one wants to come up with a better idea.
How about just saying building a wall isn't feasible and doesn't fix any issues? It would be similar to paying for a pop up ad blocker on your computer to avoid digital ads. No reputable company pays for pop up ads
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Maybe we can round up and deploy some unemployed fat chicks and pay them $10 to walk around near the Mexican border to distract the illegals trying to cross until the authorities can arrive. Mexicans love fat chicks. At least that will solve the male problem anyway. You're welcome.
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You just created thousands of anchor babies and green card marriages. freak your plan.
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You just created thousands of anchor babies and green card marriages. freak your plan.
excrement. Maybe we pay them $15 per hour to do the same after becoming Mexican citizens?
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How about just saying building a wall isn't feasible and doesn't fix any issues? It would be similar to paying for a pop up ad blocker on your computer to avoid digital ads. No reputable company pays for pop up ads
Pretty much, it will be about as effective as those drug testing for welfare recipient programs that some states have started. They cost 100's of thousands of dollars and end up getting like 3 people kicked off welfare.
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It's alright to excrement on the wall idea, but NO ONE is proposing anything else. Its just a bunch of "LOL that's retarded. Why do u hate brown people?" coming from the other side.
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It's alright to excrement on the wall idea, but NO ONE is proposing anything else. Its just a bunch of "LOL that's retarded. Why do u hate brown people?" coming from the other side.
I thought my fat chicks idea was pretty bulletproof.
OK, how about a minefield instead of a wall. Sure, you can try to cross freely, but you could get blown the freak up.
Or how about we send out a bunch of rednecks who like to hunt to the border and pay them $500 for each (live) illegal Mexican they catch trying to cross.
OK, how about this. Skunks. Breed a million of them and release them at the border to spray the excrement out of Mexicans trying to cross. Sterilize them and vaccinate them for rabies first (the skunks, not the Mexicans).
Take a 1/2 mile strip of land the entire length of the border and declare it an extension of Florida. Build trailer parks, ABC stores, gun stores, illegal fireworks stores, Walmarts....the works. Mexicans won't want to cross that buffer.
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It's alright to excrement on the wall idea, but NO ONE is proposing anything else. Its just a bunch of "LOL that's retarded. Why do u hate brown people?" coming from the other side.
I have no great ideas as to how to become an overnight millionaire, but that doesn't make armed robbery any less of a stupid idea.
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It's alright to excrement on the wall idea, but NO ONE is proposing anything else. Its just a bunch of "LOL that's retarded. Why do u hate brown people?" coming from the other side.
That's the case with pretty much any issue either side opposes.
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Or how about we send out a bunch of rednecks who like to hunt to the border and pay them $500 for each (live) illegal Mexican they catch trying to cross.
This is almost like the premise for Blood Meridian.
I like your minefield idea.
Oh and gfy.
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http://youtu.be/2t-_-dj7_Nw
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It's alright to excrement on the wall idea, but NO ONE is proposing anything else. Its just a bunch of "LOL that's retarded. Why do u hate brown people?" coming from the other side.
I think the most reasonable plan is to provide a pathway to citizenship for illegals living here for XYZ years, while offering substantially harsher penalties for future illegals as well as significantly improved flexibility for law enforcement when it comes to identifying and dealing with illegals.
Literally the only reasonable idea on immigration is a carrot and a stick. But neither side is capable of realizing that
The left only wants to reward them and ignore the problem and the right just wants to punish. Why cant either realize how retarded and unreasonable they are
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It's alright to excrement on the wall idea, but NO ONE is proposing anything else. Its just a bunch of "LOL that's retarded. Why do u hate brown people?" coming from the other side.
Border patrol used to have a much bigger presence in California. The checkpoints were always running along the major freeways, and we used to see border patrol riding on the train tracks. It didn't do a bit of good. Neither will a wall. They will still get through. Short of empowering those volunteer organizations to shoot and kill migrants, nothing physical is going to dissuade people from coming here illegally.
The best idea is the one you've brought up several times: go after people who employ illegals. If they can't work, they will stop coming, or at least their numbers will drop.
A wall is wasteful, ineffective, and silly. The reason people laugh is that it's a hilarious idea that appeals to people with no knowledge of the American Southwest and no concept of scale.
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Border patrol used to have a much bigger presence in California. The checkpoints were always running along the major freeways, and we used to see border patrol riding on the train tracks. It didn't do a bit of good. Neither will a wall. They will still get through. Short of empowering those volunteer organizations to shoot and kill migrants, nothing physical is going to dissuade people from coming here illegally.
The best idea is the one you've brought up several times: go after people who employ illegals. If they can't work, they will stop coming, or at least their numbers will drop.
A wall is wasteful, ineffective, and silly. The reason people laugh is that it's a hilarious idea that appeals to people with no knowledge of the American Southwest and no concept of scale.
Not that i support it, but reworking illegal drug laws would go a long way towards hampering illegal immigration. Drug smuggling puts a freak ton of cash into the hands that make getting across the border easy
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Line the Mexican side with titty bars.
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So we've got:
-pathway to citizenship
-disincentivizing the hiring of illegals
-ending the war on drugs
Guys, I think we just fixed everything.
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So we've got:
-pathway to citizenship
-disincentivizing the hiring of illegals
-ending the war on drugs
Guys, I think we just fixed everything.
BUT WHY AREN'T YOU COMING UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE TO A BIG freaking WALL, EH? LITERALLY NO ONE HAS ANY OTHER IDEAS.
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Border patrol used to have a much bigger presence in California. The checkpoints were always running along the major freeways, and we used to see border patrol riding on the train tracks. It didn't do a bit of good. Neither will a wall. They will still get through. Short of empowering those volunteer organizations to shoot and kill migrants, nothing physical is going to dissuade people from coming here illegally.
The best idea is the one you've brought up several times: go after people who employ illegals. If they can't work, they will stop coming, or at least their numbers will drop.
A wall is wasteful, ineffective, and silly. The reason people laugh is that it's a hilarious idea that appeals to people with no knowledge of the American Southwest and no concept of scale.
I get that, and even more so I understand that it's a demand-side issue, not a supply-side one. Though our current labor issues in this country (stagnated year-on-year earnings, etc) is definitely a supply issue. People laugh at the "They're takin our jobs!" talking point, but it has merit. Unskilled labor should go to unskilled Americans, not illegals who can work for cash and not hold the employer liable for health insurance, benefits, etc.
My point is that illegal immigration is being ignored by most politicians in this country, on both sides even. Some on the far right are mostly concerned with deportation etc, and those on the left want to keep the status quo, and actually try and promote the idea that illegal immigration is somehow GOOD for our economy. The Left already pulled themselves out of the issue by declaring anti-illegal immigration as racist, so they essentially rendered themselves incapable of ever bringing it up as an issue. Ever. It's now a bipartisan issue, which it really shouldn't be.
You have to make it tough for illegals to get jobs. Raising the minimum wage only provides more of an incentive for illegals to cross the border into places like California. If you raise the cost of unskilled labor, then the cost of other types of labor will naturally push upwards. That'll only make things worse.
And how are we going to punish those who hire illegals? Most people who hire illegals are sole proprietors, or small businesses. It'll probably end up costing more money to keep tabs on the hundreds of thousands of small businesses/individuals out there who hire illegals. The wall will make it more difficult for illegals to come into the country to find work, and when you have a reduced supply of unskilled and undocumented workers, their cost of labor will naturally push upwards as well. Once that value becomes on par with what the current minimum wage is, then the risk of penalties, etc, on hiring illegals will outweigh the savings in labor costs.
Again, this should be a topic that both sides need to discuss, but it's become such a contentious issue that the Left doesn't want to touch it, and the Right is just doing the complete opposite and going all in. There IS a middle ground, butt his country refuses to act on it. Hopefully the wall talk will prompt people on both sides to settle on a more reasonable approach to the issue.
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Pretty much, it will be about as effective as those drug testing for welfare recipient programs that some states have started. They cost 100's of thousands of dollars and end up getting like 3 people kicked off welfare.
Is this true? The idea of giving my hard earned dollars to drug users has always pissed me off. I don't mind paying some taxes for welfare because it keeps society going, but freak giving a crackhead money. When I heard they were going to start implementing this policy in some states I was really happy.
Do you know what article it was that you read?
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I get that, and even more so I understand that it's a demand-side issue, not a supply-side one. Though our current labor issues in this country (stagnated year-on-year earnings, etc) is definitely a supply issue. People laugh at the "They're takin our jobs!" talking point, but it has merit. Unskilled labor should go to unskilled Americans, not illegals who can work for cash and not hold the employer liable for health insurance, benefits, etc.
My point is that illegal immigration is being ignored by most politicians in this country, on both sides even. Some on the far right are mostly concerned with deportation etc, and those on the left want to keep the status quo, and actually try and promote the idea that illegal immigration is somehow GOOD for our economy. The Left already pulled themselves out of the issue by declaring anti-illegal immigration as racist, so they essentially rendered themselves incapable of ever bringing it up as an issue. Ever. It's now a bipartisan issue, which it really shouldn't be.
You have to make it tough for illegals to get jobs. Raising the minimum wage only provides more of an incentive for illegals to cross the border into places like California. If you raise the cost of unskilled labor, then the cost of other types of labor will naturally push upwards. That'll only make things worse.
And how are we going to punish those who hire illegals? Most people who hire illegals are sole proprietors, or small businesses. It'll probably end up costing more money to keep tabs on the hundreds of thousands of small businesses/individuals out there who hire illegals. The wall will make it more difficult for illegals to come into the country to find work, and when you have a reduced supply of unskilled and undocumented workers, their cost of labor will naturally push upwards as well. Once that value becomes on par with what the current minimum wage is, then the risk of penalties, etc, on hiring illegals will outweigh the savings in labor costs.
Again, this should be a topic that both sides need to discuss, but it's become such a contentious issue that the Left doesn't want to touch it, and the Right is just doing the complete opposite and going all in. There IS a middle ground, butt his country refuses to act on it. Hopefully the wall talk will prompt people on both sides to settle on a more reasonable approach to the issue.
I think the reason its such a bipartisan issue is because it's not only an economic issue, but a human rights issue. Meaning you need both parties to agree on both sides of it. On top of that you have the economic aspect of a plan that will prohibit illegal immigration. The cost of a wall, and other programs the US has implemented in the past are so asinine that I'm not sure they're even worth implementing.
To your point about illegal immigrants taking our jobs. These guys are getting paid pennies on the dollar. Americans have way too much pride to take those jobs, and farmers don't have enough money to pay them the $10 an hour. I agree with you that being stricter on the employers will most likely end up being a waste of money, but I do think that's the most logical option here.
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I think the reason its such a bipartisan issue is because it's not only an economic issue, but a human rights issue. Meaning you need both parties to agree on both sides of it. On top of that you have the economic aspect of a plan that will prohibit illegal immigration. The cost of a wall, and other programs the US has implemented in the past are so asinine that I'm not sure they're even worth implementing.
To your point about illegal immigrants taking our jobs. These guys are getting paid pennies on the dollar. Americans have way too much pride to take those jobs, and farmers don't have enough money to pay them the $10 an hour. I agree with you that being stricter on the employers will most likely end up being a waste of money, but I do think that's the most logical option here.
First of all, it isn't a human rights issue. We have immigration policies for a reason. When I transferred to HK, in order to get my working visa my company had to provide a valid reason why a HK citizen was unable to do the job. And we provide plenty of aid to Mexico, but ultimately it's Mexico's responsibility to provide jobs and security for their own citizens - it's not our job. And we take in many, many economic and political migrants every year, but they all go through the proper channels. The majority of illegals coming into this country do so across the border, but there is also a good chunk who just overstay their visa and try and live under the radar. But at least they're in the system.
Also, illegals don't work "pennies on the dollar" as you think. Try to find an illegal to do any sort of housework for less than $15 an hour in cash. Hiring someone legally is a lengthily process. Also, illegals keep their mouths shut and just take their cash and do their job.
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I get that, and even more so I understand that it's a demand-side issue, not a supply-side one. Though our current labor issues in this country (stagnated year-on-year earnings, etc) is definitely a supply issue. People laugh at the "They're takin our jobs!" talking point, but it has merit. Unskilled labor should go to unskilled Americans, not illegals who can work for cash and not hold the employer liable for health insurance, benefits, etc.
My point is that illegal immigration is being ignored by most politicians in this country, on both sides even. Some on the far right are mostly concerned with deportation etc, and those on the left want to keep the status quo, and actually try and promote the idea that illegal immigration is somehow GOOD for our economy. The Left already pulled themselves out of the issue by declaring anti-illegal immigration as racist, so they essentially rendered themselves incapable of ever bringing it up as an issue. Ever. It's now a bipartisan issue, which it really shouldn't be.
You have to make it tough for illegals to get jobs. Raising the minimum wage only provides more of an incentive for illegals to cross the border into places like California. If you raise the cost of unskilled labor, then the cost of other types of labor will naturally push upwards. That'll only make things worse.
And how are we going to punish those who hire illegals? Most people who hire illegals are sole proprietors, or small businesses. It'll probably end up costing more money to keep tabs on the hundreds of thousands of small businesses/individuals out there who hire illegals. The wall will make it more difficult for illegals to come into the country to find work, and when you have a reduced supply of unskilled and undocumented workers, their cost of labor will naturally push upwards as well. Once that value becomes on par with what the current minimum wage is, then the risk of penalties, etc, on hiring illegals will outweigh the savings in labor costs.
Again, this should be a topic that both sides need to discuss, but it's become such a contentious issue that the Left doesn't want to touch it, and the Right is just doing the complete opposite and going all in. There IS a middle ground, butt his country refuses to act on it. Hopefully the wall talk will prompt people on both sides to settle on a more reasonable approach to the issue.
First of all, it isn't a human rights issue. We have immigration policies for a reason. When I transferred to HK, in order to get my working visa my company had to provide a valid reason why a HK citizen was unable to do the job. And we provide plenty of aid to Mexico, but ultimately it's Mexico's responsibility to provide jobs and security for their own citizens - it's not our job. And we take in many, many economic and political migrants every year, but they all go through the proper channels. The majority of illegals coming into this country do so across the border, but there is also a good chunk who just overstay their visa and try and live under the radar. But at least they're in the system.
Also, illegals don't work "pennies on the dollar" as you think. Try to find an illegal to do any sort of housework for less than $15 an hour in cash. Hiring someone legally is a lengthily process. Also, illegals keep their mouths shut and just take their cash and do their job.
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First of all, it isn't a human rights issue. We have immigration policies for a reason. When I transferred to HK, in order to get my working visa my company had to provide a valid reason why a HK citizen was unable to do the job. And we provide plenty of aid to Mexico, but ultimately it's Mexico's responsibility to provide jobs and security for their own citizens - it's not our job. And we take in many, many economic and political migrants every year, but they all go through the proper channels. The majority of illegals coming into this country do so across the border, but there is also a good chunk who just overstay their visa and try and live under the radar. But at least they're in the system.
Also, illegals don't work "pennies on the dollar" as you think. Try to find an illegal to do any sort of housework for less than $15 an hour in cash. Hiring someone legally is a lengthily process. Also, illegals keep their mouths shut and just take their cash and do their job.
You contradict yourself alot.
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Is this true? The idea of giving my hard earned dollars to drug users has always pissed me off. I don't mind paying some taxes for welfare because it keeps society going, but freak giving a crackhead money. When I heard they were going to start implementing this policy in some states I was really happy.
Do you know what article it was that you read?
Just search which states have programs and see how effective they are. I think Florida or some other pooper state did it and got 1 person. I don't have a specific article I read because I have been following it generally. I always knew it was a bad idea because synthetic urine is a thing and super easy to use if you get any time to prepare before going to a testing facility.
General article about it. http://time.com/3117361/welfare-recipients-drug-testing/
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Is this true? The idea of giving my hard earned dollars to drug users has always pissed me off. I don't mind paying some taxes for welfare because it keeps society going, but freak giving a crackhead money. When I heard they were going to start implementing this policy in some states I was really happy.
Do you know what article it was that you read?
Just search which states have programs and see how effective they are. I think Florida or some other pooper state did it and got 1 person. I don't have a specific article I read because I have been following it generally. I always knew it was a bad idea because synthetic urine is a thing and super easy to use if you get any time to prepare before going to a testing facility.
I used to like this idea, but now having first hand experience in the administering of federal welfare, I can confirm it would be a huge waste of money.
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"Some of us don't agree with Ted Cruz, so rather than hear him speak, we'll walk out. Muh feelings."
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cruz-bronx-school-visit-canceled-students-plan-walkout-article-1.2590946
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Good for them. They're being forced to listen to him at school. It's entirely different than the assholes who interrupt these private Trump rallies just to protest.
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Good for them. They're being forced to listen to him at school. It's entirely different than the assholes who interrupt these private Trump rallies just to protest.
+1
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First of all, it isn't a human rights issue. We have immigration policies for a reason. When I transferred to HK, in order to get my working visa my company had to provide a valid reason why a HK citizen was unable to do the job. And we provide plenty of aid to Mexico, but ultimately it's Mexico's responsibility to provide jobs and security for their own citizens - it's not our job. And we take in many, many economic and political migrants every year, but they all go through the proper channels. The majority of illegals coming into this country do so across the border, but there is also a good chunk who just overstay their visa and try and live under the radar. But at least they're in the system.
Also, illegals don't work "pennies on the dollar" as you think. Try to find an illegal to do any sort of housework for less than $15 an hour in cash. Hiring someone legally is a lengthily process. Also, illegals keep their mouths shut and just take their cash and do their job.
In San Diego, you can almost certainly hire someone for less than $15/hr, but that's more due to a saturation of the labor market among illegals, probably
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Why exactly should any NYer listen to Cruz? It wasn't too long ago that he spoke about "NY values." Hell, he even doubled down on his remarks. freak that guy.
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Why exactly should any NYer listen to Cruz? It wasn't too long ago that he spoke about "NY values." Hell, he even doubled down on his remarks. freak that guy.
+1
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If you were in high school and they wanted you to listen Elizabeth Warren talk you would have sat and listened politely, Tommy?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8
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If I were in high school, I'd probably have just enjoyed getting to skip class and make farting noises during his speech to try to distract him. I'd also have recorded it and posted my work on youtube for all to laugh. He'd be Tootin' Ted from then on. That would probably do more damage than him skipping a speech and going somewhere else.
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I'm still laughing at Tommy thinking illegals demand $15/hr.
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I'm still laughing at Tommy thinking illegals demand $15/hr.
If they don't get it they just head down to local ER to abuse their free healthcare.
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If they don't get it they just head down to local ER to abuse their free healthcare.
I have to admit, I was pretty surprised when I found out that illegals are per capita significantly less of a drain on free emergency services than uninsured citizens.
Of course, I'm curious what those numbers now look like under Obamacare.
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Why exactly should any NYer listen to Cruz? It wasn't too long ago that he spoke about "NY values." Hell, he even doubled down on his remarks. freak that guy.
I don't like the guy either, but I have a problem with preventing someone from speaking because you don't agree with their message. For freak's sake Columbia invited Ahmadinajad to speak. This man is a presidential candidate.
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I'm still laughing at Tommy thinking illegals demand $15/hr.
You obviously either don't know anyone who's ever hired an illegal, or think that they hop the fences to make less than minimum wage. Go try and find some illegal to do landscaping work, or any other kind of job around your house for less than $15/hr cash. Maybe a little less, but no way less than $10/hr. Zero chance.
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I don't like the guy either, but I have a problem with preventing someone from speaking because you don't agree with their message. For freak's sake Columbia invited Ahmadinajad to speak. This man is a presidential candidate.
High school =! University
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High school =! University
Bad on the teachers then. They should be encouraging their students to at least listen to those they think they disagree with, hear their side of the story. From the letter that they wrote it sounds as if the students never really actually listened to him but just nitpicked certain talking points and other bullshit that's been thrown around. Let the guy speak. Boo him if he says something you don't like, but Christ what the hell is wrong with letting a presidential candidate speak at your school?
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Even Obama agrees with me here:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/253641-obama-hits-coddled-liberal-college-students#
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Bad on the teachers then. They should be encouraging their students to at least listen to those they think they disagree with, hear their side of the story. From the letter that they wrote it sounds as if the students never really actually listened to him but just nitpicked certain talking points and other bullshit that's been thrown around. Let the guy speak. Boo him if he says something you don't like, but Christ what the hell is wrong with letting a presidential candidate speak at your school?
All points would be valid if this was an optional attendance talk at a university.
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Even Obama agrees with me here:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/253641-obama-hits-coddled-liberal-college-students#
Scroll up.
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All points would be valid if this was an optional attendance talk at a university.
That's not the point. You should welcome different opinions, and listen to them. By walking out you're just giving up on critical thinking altogether. No one wants to listen to the other side, that's what's wrong with this country. You make up your mind and stick with it. Any other dissenting opinion gets ignored. If you're (God forbid) forced to listen to an opinion you don't think you'll like, you run away from it. That kind of thinking just perpetuates the partisan bullshit we deal with today.
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I have to admit, I was pretty surprised when I found out that illegals are per capita significantly less of a drain on free emergency services than uninsured citizens.
Of course, I'm curious what those numbers now look like under Obamacare.
I don't know, but I did see this from Gallup today.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/190484/uninsured-rate-lowest-eight-year-trend.aspx
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That's not the point. You should welcome different opinions, and listen to them. By walking out you're just giving up on critical thinking altogether. No one wants to listen to the other side, that's what's wrong with this country. You make up your mind and stick with it. Any other dissenting opinion gets ignored. If you're (God forbid) forced to listen to an opinion you don't think you'll like, you run away from it. That kind of thinking just perpetuates the partisan bullshit we deal with today.
High schools still aren't the right place for it. It's a captive audience.
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That's not the point. You should welcome different opinions, and listen to them. By walking out you're just giving up on critical thinking altogether. No one wants to listen to the other side, that's what's wrong with this country. You make up your mind and stick with it. Any other dissenting opinion gets ignored. If you're (God forbid) forced to listen to an opinion you don't think you'll like, you run away from it. That kind of thinking just perpetuates the partisan bullshit we deal with today.
Welcome different opinions? This from the guy who says it's good to bully people because it stops them from being different?
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You obviously either don't know anyone who's ever hired an illegal, or think that they hop the fences to make less than minimum wage. Go try and find some illegal to do landscaping work, or any other kind of job around your house for less than $15/hr cash. Maybe a little less, but no way less than $10/hr. Zero chance.
Do you forget where I live? People who can't afford legal nannies pay illegals under the table, and I've met more than a few who paid between $50 and $100 a day for 10 hour days. My grandfather had a small winery. He would pay migrant workers $20/day plus lunch and water. This was when the minimum wage was $5.15/hr. They were making between $2 and $2.50. You can get day laborers for under $50 at Home Depot and they'll work a full day for that. Again, most people supply meals too, so I guess that has to get factored in. Still, $15/hr for illegal labor? I don't know anyone who pays that here.
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Oh, and my father has a gardener who comes once a week with two guys. They work for 2-3 hours each week and my dad pays $300/month. That's about $75/week or $25-$35/hr. How much do you think the two guys who DON'T own the service are making?
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That's not the point. You should welcome different opinions, and listen to them. By walking out you're just giving up on critical thinking altogether. No one wants to listen to the other side, that's what's wrong with this country. You make up your mind and stick with it. Any other dissenting opinion gets ignored. If you're (God forbid) forced to listen to an opinion you don't think you'll like, you run away from it. That kind of thinking just perpetuates the partisan bullshit we deal with today.
Forget his "different opinions" for a second. He directly insulted New Yorkers. Then he went and doubled down on his statements with George Stephanopoulos. Then he tripled down yesterday, basically saying he has no regrets on his statements.
Yes, New Yorkers should certainly be forced to sit and listen to him. You know, because that's what America is all about. Sitting and obediently paying attention to the powerful--just because.
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I just don't think anyone should be forced to sit in a room and watch that guy eat boogers for an extended period of time.
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I just don't think anyone should be forced to sit in a room and watch that guy eat boogers for an extended period of time.
I'm gonna eat your hoo-ha like a booger
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I'm gonna eat your hoo-ha like a booger
And that's how babies are made.
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And that's how babies are made.
My 8 year old asked me yesterday if the father cells get into the mother by kissing, and if so, how do the cells know to go in and go make a baby. I really don't want to have that talk yet.
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My 8 year old asked me yesterday if the father cells get into the mother by kissing, and if so, how do the cells know to go in and go make a baby. I really don't want to have that talk yet.
Hey <your daughters name> Would you like to go for Ice Cream? or some other distraction if ice cream isn't her thing.
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I'm pretty sure I got the talk before 8.
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Hey it Geg
How is babby form?
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http://imgur.com/gallery/gUEX7 (http://imgur.com/gallery/gUEX7)
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Today's entry in excrement that will change nothing comes from 800 different FB users who are changing the world by posting a video on their timelines:
https://www.facebook.com/PeacehouseUS/videos/527339194115003/
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My 8 year old asked me yesterday if the father cells get into the mother by kissing, and if so, how do the cells know to go in and go make a baby. I really don't want to have that talk yet.
Pretty sure my response of, "...umm the boy pees inside the girls vagina. DUH. You fuckin idiot." is another reason why I'm woefully unprepared to be a parent.
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(http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr184/abbahj9/Mobile%20Uploads/image_54.jpg)
Fuuuuck this bitch.
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Jesus Christ that woman can not be president
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"She gave that pint more head than she ever gave Bill."
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What's the general consensus on Ted Cruz? Is he actually worse than Trump?
Trump seems like an ignorant freak with 0 presidential demeanor, but Cruz just seems like a religious but job.
At least Trump is a closet liberal (at least on social issues) , and I think if this guy had proper demeanor and never went so over the top on immigration issues he would by far blow everyone else away in this election.
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What's the general consensus on Ted Cruz? Is he actually worse than Trump?
Trump seems like an ignorant freak with 0 presidential demeanor, but Cruz just seems like a religious but job.
At least Trump is a closet liberal (at least on social issues) , and I think if this guy had proper demeanor and never went so over the top on immigration issues he would by far blow everyone else away in this election.
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What's the general consensus on Ted Cruz? Is he actually worse than Trump?
Trump seems like an ignorant freak with 0 presidential demeanor, but Cruz just seems like a religious but job.
At least Trump is a closet liberal (at least on social issues) , and I think if this guy had proper demeanor and never went so over the top on immigration issues he would by far blow everyone else away in this election.
Yes. He's actually worse than Trump. Trump's followers make him way more frightening than he actually is. It's despicable that he lights the fuse and feeds into their hate, but it's also pretty sound politically. Cruz is an absolute wack job.
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I think people are underestimating the amount of blue collar NYers who are 100pct for Trump. My blue collar friends on Facebook are all-in. The guy definitely appeals to them.
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I think people are underestimating the amount of blue collar NYers who are 100pct for Trump. My blue collar friends on Facebook are all-in. The guy definitely appeals to them.
Not sure why it matters how many blue collar NYers there are for trump.
Theres probably a less than 1% chance Trump wins NY.
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Just wait until Trump announces Bernie Sanders as his VP
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Not sure why it matters how many blue collar NYers there are for trump.
Theres probably a less than 1% chance Trump wins NY.
I think you are underestimating the amount of blue collar NYers who are 100pct for Trump.
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I think you are underestimating the amount of blue collar NYers who are 100pct for Trump.
Lots of people are. They don't seem to understand how much he appeals to them.
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https://vine.co/v/ePgXdYEimDF
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While speaking to a crowd in Pittsburgh on Wednesday, Trump inquired about Paterno: “How’s Joe Paterno? We gonna bring that back? How about that whole deal?”
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This is my favorite Trump thing so far.
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Trump/Zombie Paterno '16!
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Ted's only against sex toys because nobody told him about the fleshlight yet.
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I met a real life Trump supporter today. He's a 70 year old Peruvian Jew who owns his own business.
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I met a real life Trump supporter today. He's a 70 year old Peruvian Jew who owns his own business.
SO in other words he's a dipshit.
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(http://i.imgur.com/caFb5Rx.jpg)
That's got to be his best one yet. That guy is a creepy obsessive freak, though. I can't imagine how frightening it must have been for anyone who had to set foot in the room shared by those two douchebags.
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SO in other words he's a dipshit.
Rofl
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SO in other words he's a dipshit.
I don't think anyone over the age of 50 can be a dipshit. Except sg3.
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I don't think anyone over the age of 50 can be a dipshit. Except sg3.
Come to Florida . There's a ton of em lololol
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Sarah Palin said Bill Nye is "just as much of a scientist as I am" and is merely a children's TV show actor. God damn, I can't believe people listen to this woman, but it's the party line.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/276365-palin-bill-nye-as-much-as-scientist-as-i-am
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I don't think anyone over the age of 50 can be a dipshit. Except sg3.
This:
Come to Florida . There's a ton of em lololol
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Sarah Palin said Bill Nye is "just as much of a scientist as I am" and is merely a children's TV show actor. God damn, I can't believe people listen to this woman, but it's the party line.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/276365-palin-bill-nye-as-much-as-scientist-as-i-am
She is......special?
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Sarah Palin said Bill Nye is "just as much of a scientist as I am" and is merely a children's TV show actor. God damn, I can't believe people listen to this woman, but it's the party line.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/276365-palin-bill-nye-as-much-as-scientist-as-i-am
I hate how climate change has gotten so political. The problem is that these crazy anti-corporate types hijack the issue and make it more about anti-oil industry anti-corporate than pro-environment. It's childish. Like when someone you hate has an opinion on something, you immediately take the opposing view.
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Sarah Palin said Bill Nye is "just as much of a scientist as I am" and is merely a children's TV show actor. God damn, I can't believe people listen to this woman, but it's the party line.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/276365-palin-bill-nye-as-much-as-scientist-as-i-am
No one takes her seriously at this point, do they? She's not even really in politics anymore.
She's a cartoon. Like some female Yosemite Sam/Elmer Fudd hybrid.
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I met a real life Trump supporter today. He's a 70 year old Peruvian Jew who owns his own business.
my next door neighbor is a trump supporter. refuses to sell his truck that he can't afford to drive because selling it will create taxes and he can't be part of paying taxes. unemployed ~50 year old vet who spends most of his time attaching and then detaching various offensive bumpter stickers to his oversized falling apart piece of excrement truck. probably living off of some type of welfare program or another. likes to carry his gun around town.
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I hate how climate change has gotten so political. The problem is that these crazy anti-corporate types hijack the issue and make it more about anti-oil industry anti-corporate than pro-environment. It's childish. Like when someone you hate has an opinion on something, you immediately take the opposing view.
Wait. The problem is that people blame corporations for willfully freaking over future generations' ability to live on this planet? Climate change is political because corporations have shown no willingness to change their approach to environmental issues without government coercion.
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Wait. The problem is that people blame corporations for willfully freaking over future generations' ability to live on this planet? Climate change is political because corporations have shown no willingness to change their approach to environmental issues without government coercion.
What companies? What approaches? What kind of government coercion? You're just talking out of your derriere, and will probably just google some sources on renewable energy and start rambling about how big bad oil companies are keeping them down man!
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My issue with climate change is people are too stupid to just simply say hey let's try to do better. We don't need to ban cars or put a huge surcharge on gas. Just incentivise innovation and maybe hybrid vechiles and excrement. All the time saying we gotta do something about upcoming nations like China and India which are going to be a far greater threat than the USA
The problem with the left is they've taken an approach that were all horrible evil and going to kill all the pandas and rainforest. And that cars and oil etc etc are all the enemy and need to be destroyed which turns people off.
And the problem with the right is they're all completely delusional, somehow making this about religion or Noah's Ark or some excrement. Completely ignoring the possibility that the overwhelming scientific data on global warming could actually be true (even though we can all agree it's extremely politicized and biased)
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I think the climate change problem is heading in a good direction. Solar panels and electric cars are increasing exponentially. It will not go away overnight but the civilized world is adopting green energy
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What companies? What approaches? What kind of government coercion? You're just talking out of your derriere, and will probably just google some sources on renewable energy and start rambling about how big bad oil companies are keeping them down man!
I'm not talking about oil companies. At least not just oil companies. So far government programs worldwide have been more suggestion than actual enforceable action. The result? Even corporations that claim they're going green work against proactive programs. Oil companies bear the brunt of the blame, but the list of companies that lobby against environmental change is staggering. I'm not going to google it because I don't have time this morning (though you obviously want me to), but I've read the studies in the past. You're welcome to do some research yourself if you'd like. Again, it's politicized because people look to their governments to force corporations to change and consider future generations. I fail to see how people trying to force their government to act in the interest of its people is a bad thing.
I of course recognize some rather big issues on the other side. Perhaps my biggest one is the issue of nuclear energy. It's our best current option for cleaner energy, and with proper control it's incredibly safe. Unfortunately, accidents caused largely by poor oversight and building standards have created this bogeyman that people on the left rail against. Solar, wind, tidal, all great options, but we really needed to expand nuclear energy, not rid ourselves of it. There's also a general lack of sacrifice. Our culture of disposable products and constant upgrades drive climate problems in those emerging nations, and the left is just as responsible as anyone else.
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I'm not talking about oil companies. At least not just oil companies. So far government programs worldwide have been more suggestion than actual enforceable action. The result? Even corporations that claim they're going green work against proactive programs. Oil companies bear the brunt of the blame, but the list of companies that lobby against environmental change is staggering. I'm not going to google it because I don't have time this morning (though you obviously want me to), but I've read the studies in the past. You're welcome to do some research yourself if you'd like. Again, it's politicized because people look to their governments to force corporations to change and consider future generations. I fail to see how people trying to force their government to act in the interest of its people is a bad thing.
I of course recognize some rather big issues on the other side. Perhaps my biggest one is the issue of nuclear energy. It's our best current option for cleaner energy, and with proper control it's incredibly safe. Unfortunately, accidents caused largely by poor oversight and building standards have created this bogeyman that people on the left rail against. Solar, wind, tidal, all great options, but we really needed to expand nuclear energy, not rid ourselves of it. There's also a general lack of sacrifice. Our culture of disposable products and constant upgrades drive climate problems in those emerging nations, and the left is just as responsible as anyone else.
I don't disagree with any of this, but we've already seen the private sector do more than its fair share to bring energy efficiency to the marketplace and make a profit. Toyota started with the Hybrids, Tesla is now proving that electric cars are honestly the wave of the future. That's just one small issue though, but it's being handled organically. When we let the government throw subsidies around all you get are companies like Solyndra, and hundreds of other startups that fair because they use government money to create products that people just don't want. By the way, even electricity has to be generated by a power source, it's not some natural resource we can tap into.
We just had to wait for the technology to catch up. Right now when a new building goes up, they implement all sorts of energy efficient measures. Why? Because the owners see the long term benefits. It'll come with time, you can't just force it down the private sector's throats. Look at all the pollution during the industrial revolution. The government didn't need to ban the horse and carriage for the automobile to be invented.
As for renewables, the most profitable are nuclear, geothermal, and hydro. Wind energy just isn't practical long term, and we're still waiting for companies to develop technology that can allow people to store solar energy. Energy storage will have a massive effect. Also smart grid technology is currently in development, and that will allow homeowners to sell back their unused energy into the grid, which will incentivize homeowners to install panels.
Also, some of the biggest investors into renewables are the big bad oil companies. And try and install a wind farm with industrial lubricants that are only made possible by oil. Most people just see oil as gasoline as smog, and that's why anti-corporates have jumped on the environmental bandwagon and turned the debate into a "humans are evil, were destroying the planet!" bullshit.
And it's far easier for developed countries to become more energy efficient. You need years of cheap energy to get to that level. China's smog is akin to the London fog during the industrial revolution. That place was a nightmare. The Thames was also heavily polluted.
Anyway, both sides are dumb and just shout out talking points. Hillary gets on the podium and talks about the government investing in wind and solar. Bitch doesn't know wtf she's talking about. Cruz goes on TV and says that we have no effect on the environment. It's dumb. But while they bicker, private companies are coming up with new and cheap ways to make our lives more energy efficient, and to make money off of it. Let capitalism and free enterprise work its magic.
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I don't disagree with any of this, but we've already seen the private sector do more than its fair share to bring energy efficiency to the marketplace and make a profit. Toyota started with the Hybrids, Tesla is now proving that electric cars are honestly the wave of the future. That's just one small issue though, but it's being handled organically. When we let the government throw subsidies around all you get are companies like Solyndra, and hundreds of other startups that fair because they use government money to create products that people just don't want. By the way, even electricity has to be generated by a power source, it's not some natural resource we can tap into.
We just had to wait for the technology to catch up. Right now when a new building goes up, they implement all sorts of energy efficient measures. Why? Because the owners see the long term benefits. It'll come with time, you can't just force it down the private sector's throats. Look at all the pollution during the industrial revolution. The government didn't need to ban the horse and carriage for the automobile to be invented.
As for renewables, the most profitable are nuclear, geothermal, and hydro. Wind energy just isn't practical long term, and we're still waiting for companies to develop technology that can allow people to store solar energy. Energy storage will have a massive effect. Also smart grid technology is currently in development, and that will allow homeowners to sell back their unused energy into the grid, which will incentivize homeowners to install panels.
Also, some of the biggest investors into renewables are the big bad oil companies. And try and install a wind farm with industrial lubricants that are only made possible by oil. Most people just see oil as gasoline as smog, and that's why anti-corporates have jumped on the environmental bandwagon and turned the debate into a "humans are evil, were destroying the planet!" bullshit.
And it's far easier for developed countries to become more energy efficient. You need years of cheap energy to get to that level. China's smog is akin to the London fog during the industrial revolution. That place was a nightmare. The Thames was also heavily polluted.
Anyway, both sides are dumb and just shout out talking points. Hillary gets on the podium and talks about the government investing in wind and solar. Bitch doesn't know wtf she's talking about. Cruz goes on TV and says that we have no effect on the environment. It's dumb. But while they bicker, private companies are coming up with new and cheap ways to make our lives more energy efficient, and to make money off of it. Let capitalism and free enterprise work its magic.
But why?
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https://gfycat.com/SlimQueasyGrayling
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https://gfycat.com/SlimQueasyGrayling
That was better than anything I've seen in politics ever.
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Fantastic
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Tommy idolizes Trump. Clearly Tommy doesn't give a excrement about September 11th and respecting those who died.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/18/donald-trump-invokes-memories-of-7-eleven/?_r=1
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Well his repugnant opinion on McCain would show you his respect level for that stuff.
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The only thing in any of this I think Tommy actually loves is taking the contrary opinion.
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Tommy idolizes Trump. Clearly Tommy doesn't give a excrement about September 11th and respecting those who died.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/18/donald-trump-invokes-memories-of-7-eleven/?_r=1
My cousin died there, so go freak yourself.
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Btw I have no idea why Ben Carson was still on the ballot. Funny thing is that he's above Cruz.
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I kind of want to post that on Facebook as my own and see how many friends I lose.
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Every year they should just make up a name or two and add them to the ballot. Just to see how freaking retarded people are
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Can you vote for yourself?
You can do that up here.
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I kind of want to post that on Facebook as my own and see how many friends I lose.
If you lose friends because they don't like your choice of politician then they weren't really friends. I disagree fundamentally with some of my friends' political views but it doesn't mean I like them any less as people.
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Can you vote for yourself?
You can do that up here.
I believe the general election ballot has a write-in option.
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I believe the general election ballot has a write-in option.
Our provincial election is tonight.
apparently, we have a candidate from my area representing the Communist party....his name is Darryl. #realtalk
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If you lose friends because they don't like your choice of politician then they weren't really friends. I disagree fundamentally with some of my friends' political views but it doesn't mean I like them any less as people.
Do you have any friends who are voting for Trump ?
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Do you have any friends who are voting for Trump ?
Yes.
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Do you have any friends who are voting for Trump ?
Scroll up.
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Wow narrow exit poll results on the Dem side.
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Is NY a winner takes all state ? If so what happens to this primary if Bernie actually somehow wins it ?
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Is NY a winner takes all state ? If so what happens to this primary if Bernie actually somehow wins it ?
What I found interesting is that in Democratic Party rules candidates get bonus delegates in areas with big minority populations? What a retarded rule.
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What I found interesting is that in Democratic Party rules candidates get bonus delegates in areas with big minority populations? What a retarded rule.
Makes perfect sense for the Democrats though
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What I found interesting is that in Democratic Party rules candidates get bonus delegates in areas with big minority populations? What a retarded rule.
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Is NY a winner takes all state ? If so what happens to this primary if Bernie actually somehow wins it ?
None of the states are winner takes all in the Dem primary.
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None of the states are winner takes all in the Dem primary.
I think this may be the first election where anyone really paid any attention to the retarded primary rules for each party.
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Here comes another "break down barriers not build walls" speech from Clinton.
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At least my part of Queens didn't freak this up.
http://www.wnyc.org/story/map-ny-primary-vote-nyc-2016/
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I think this may be the first election where anyone really paid any attention to the retarded primary rules for each party.
Caucuses and closed primaries are literally Geno Smith.
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At least my part of Queens didn't freak this up.
http://www.wnyc.org/story/map-ny-primary-vote-nyc-2016/
I wonder why Borough Park has such a hardon for Cruz.
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At least my part of Queens didn't freak this up.
http://www.wnyc.org/story/map-ny-primary-vote-nyc-2016/
Patterns of note:
Hasidic Jews love Ted Cruz (Borough Park, South Williamsburg)
Black neighborhoods and rich white neighborhoods love Hillary, blue collar white neighborhoods lean Bernie.
Wealthy republicans seem split between Kasich and Trump, but Trump dominates everywhere else.
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Ugh. Stop Fuckn calling NY Hillary's home state!
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My cousin died there, so go freak yourself.
How can you live with yourself supporting a guy who says your cousin died between the hot dogs and the slurped machine? What a disgrace.
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Ugh. Stop Fuckn calling NY Hillary's home state!
Stop watching CNN.
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/apr/19/new-york-primary-live-results-trump-clinton
Clinton won the NYC metro area, Ithaca (actually kind of surprising), Rochester, and Buffalo but not a single other part of the state.
Trump won in every single NY county except Manhattan. His home borough.
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/apr/19/new-york-primary-live-results-trump-clinton
Clinton won the NYC metro area, Ithaca (actually kind of surprising), Rochester, and Buffalo but not a single other part of the state.
Trump won in every single NY county except Manhattan. His home borough.
Trump is from Queens.
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Trump is from Queens.
I actually knew that, but nobody ever associates him with Queens and I assume he lives in Manhattan now.
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Can you write in Geno Smith and then note vote for him?
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https://www.facebook.com/DankMemesMeltSteel/videos/1451226138236437/
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If someone turns their back on you due to who you vote for they're an poopchute*. I disagree with practically every political opinion Tommy holds, but I'd buy the guy and beer and listen to his adventures.
As for Hillary, NY is her home state. She moved here and her legal residence is in NY. Once a person's legal residence is in a state it's their "home state." Otherwise Ted Cruz wouldn't even have a home state.
*I'd also argue they're un-American. The right to vote implies you're allowed to choose whomever you please--for whatever reasons you wish. I got pissed at someone on Twitter last night for basically saying it was good that about twice as many Dems came out to vote yesterday as Republicans, as though "the other side" staying home is a victory for this country. It's not, no matter how you feel about the "other side."
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I was mostly joking about losing friends. And not everyone on my FB is a FRIEND-friend, there are plenty of casual acquaintances who would be well within their rights to trim the fat.
Also, Trump is 100 times the New Yorker Hillary is.
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The steaming excrement I made today is more of a New Yorker than Hillary Clinton.
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Patterns of note:
Hasidic Jews love Ted Cruz (Borough Park, South Williamsburg)
Black neighborhoods and rich white neighborhoods love Hillary, blue collar white neighborhoods lean Bernie.
Wealthy republicans seem split between Kasich and Trump, but Trump dominates everywhere else.
Why do black communities like Hillary? I still can't get my head around it.
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Why do black communities like Hillary? I still can't get my head around it.
Many like fat white women.
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Why do black communities like Hillary? I still can't get my head around it.
Yeah, she was a Goldwater supporter in college while Bernie was being dragged away by cops during the Civil Rights Movement. They did, however, vote overwhelmingly for Obama (shocker) in 2008.
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Could be B.S. but I heard someone say it's because they still think Bill was their guy.
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Could be B.S. but I heard someone say it's because they still think Bill was their guy.
In what way would that be BS? It's a pretty fair assessment.
The explanation I've generally gotten is "the Clintons have always been there for the black community" with zero follow-up detail.
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If I was poor, I'd vote for Bernie.
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Could be B.S. but I heard someone say it's because they still think Bill was their guy.
That's likely true for a huge number of black voters. Most voters in this country vote the way they do for idiotic reasons, and that's an especially idiotic one, but I think it's largely true. Black voters have historically rewarded loyalty. It stems from the way they were protected and enfranchised by Republicans back during Reconstruction. There's a tradition there of the community vote banding together and rewarding those who help them.
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In what way would that be BS? It's a pretty fair assessment.
The explanation I've generally gotten is "the Clintons have always been there for the black community" with zero follow-up detail.
I just didn't know enough about the topic to know if it was true or not.
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https://vine.co/v/iFvQejDU5li
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https://vine.co/v/iFvQejDU5li
What the hell could he have possibly meant by that?
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What the hell could he have possibly meant by that?
I'm gonna eat your hoo-ha like a booger.
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What the hell could he have possibly meant by that?
It's the usual platitude that we're best when our backs are to the wall blah blah. I think I've heard every candidate use something along those lines. Hell, even Hillary said something like that in one of her victory speeches.
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Apparently America needs to put Harriet Tubman on the 20$ bill to prove to the world that were not sexist or racist.
Its a shame we couldnt find a black female lesbian from Mexico (possibly even a transgender one)
To REALLY prove to the world how open minded we are
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Apparently America needs to put Harriet Tubman on the 20$ bill to prove to the world that were not sexist or racist.
Its a shame we couldnt find a black female lesbian from Mexico (possibly even a transgender one)
To REALLY prove to the world how open minded we are
Cool election talk bro
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Donald Trump thinks anti-slavery icon Harriet Tubman is "fantastic" -- but he says the move to have her replace seventh president Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill is "pure political correctness."
Harriet Tubman will be face of $20
Harriet Tubman will be face of $20 02:04
"Well, Andrew Jackson had a great history, and I think it's very rough when you take somebody off the bill," Trump said during a town hall on the "Today" show on NBC Thursday morning. "I think Harriet Tubman is fantastic, but I would love to leave Andrew Jackson or see if we can maybe come up with another denomination."
Trump suggested -- as Ben Carson also has -- that Tubman be put on the $2 bill, which is no longer printed.
Now its election talk, boom
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Well he's not wrong, it's an obvious PC move. He's not against her deserving a face on a bill, but to say this isn't a PC move is disingenuous.
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I swear that you clowns just parrot this whole PC thing without even thinking about what you're saying any more.
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Trump also said today in an interview that transgender people should be able to use whatever bathroom they want. And when asked if he has any that work for his company he said that he might, might not, but ultimately doesn't care.
Conservatives love their guns more than gay marriage and abortion stuff, and libertarians care more about equality etc. He's appealing to independents already.
I also like how he keeps talking up Bernie Sanders. It's definitely a calculated move as I can see some Sanders voters to vote for him instead of Hilary purely out of spite for Hilary and the establishment.
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I swear that you clowns just parrot this whole PC thing without even thinking about what you're saying any more.
Come on. The whole debate started because of a call out of nowhere that for some reason we "need" a woman on our paper money. Why do we "need" one? Just for the sake of diversity? That's the definition of PC.
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I swear that you clowns just parrot this whole PC thing without even thinking about what you're saying any more.
You genuinely think its a coincidence they're taking off a president for a random black female who really isnt THAT important in regards to well anything history wise.
Hell MLK jr would be 100000x better of a choice than she is, for relevance to the black community alone.
This thing is 100% PR and PC bullshit, to deny that requires drinking some major koolaid.
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You genuinely think its a coincidence they're taking off a president for a random black female who really isnt THAT important in regards to well anything history wise.
Hell MLK jr would be 100000x better of a choice than she is, for relevance to the black community alone.
This thing is 100% PR and PC bullshit, to deny that requires drinking some major koolaid.
To be fair MLK Jr has his own day and gets a lot of recognition (much deserved).
Susan B Anthony was an important figure and got her head on the dollar coin. This happened years ago. Tubman replacing Jackson is absolutely a PC move, or hell a PR move for the government.
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I don't see how Tubman was a good choice. I'm just glad they didn't remove Hamilton and use the 10. Nobody deserves to be on a bill more. Tubman on the $2 seems like the right move.
As for Jackson being on the $20, it's always been a bit hilarious as far as I'm concerned. Nobody hated bankers more.
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Best move would have been to just use the OTHER one they proposed. Change the back of the 20. They're already doing it to the 5 and 10. A new face on the 20 seemed silly, but I'm not particularly bothered by it.
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You genuinely think its a coincidence they're taking off a president for a random black female who really isnt THAT important in regards to well anything history wise.
Hell MLK jr would be 100000x better of a choice than she is, for relevance to the black community alone.
This thing is 100% PR and PC bullshit, to deny that requires drinking some major koolaid.
I may not think it should have been changed, but calling her a "random black female" is incredibly wrong. Forget the Underground Railroad for a minute, although she was the most hated and sought after conductor. She served when women weren't allowed to serve in combat roles, providing tremendous help to the Union effort. She fought for women's suffrage. And she gave every last thing she had away to people who needed it.
I think it's an odd choice to replace a president with her, but she sure as he'll isn't a random black female.
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I don't see how Tubman was a good choice. I'm just glad they didn't remove Hamilton and use the 10. Nobody deserves to be on a bill more. Tubman on the $2 seems like the right move.
As for Jackson being on the $20, it's always been a bit hilarious as far as I'm concerned. Nobody hated bankers more.
I agree about Hamilton. That would have been stupid.
I really don't know why they did this all of a sudden but I don't particularly care. She was an important figure in history. It was a bit out of left field but whatever.
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LOL, of course it's politically correct.
Political - pertaining to policy (in this case public policy), implemented by politicians who are elected to represent everyone in society
Correct - right, appropriate, not wrong
You bleat about "political correctness" like it's some terrible thing, when an awful lot of the time things that are being decried as politically correct in the pejorative are simply reflecting the reality of modern society. Your whiny squeals of "political correctness" are nothing more than "but but but muh white male privilege".
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Put Oprah on the 100
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LOL, of course it's politically correct.
Political - pertaining to policy (in this case public policy), implemented by politicians who are elected to represent everyone in society
Correct - right, appropriate, not wrong
You bleat about "political correctness" like it's some terrible thing, when an awful lot of the time things that are being decried as politically correct in the pejorative are simply reflecting the reality of modern society. Your whiny squeals of "political correctness" are nothing more than "but but but muh white male privilege".
You're delusional. The whole drive to put a woman on a bill started from complaints that the lack of a woman on a bill somehow proves that our society is chauvinistic or some excrement. To combat that, the powers that be decided to put a woman on a bill. A call to put a woman on a bill specifically because some complained that it's unfair that a woman isn't on a bill is exactly the kind of PC that I detest.
It would be a different story if it was decided that the $20 bill needed a change, and a committee were formed to decide on a new face. Maybe letting people decide. Then, that being the case, if people said "You know what, it's about time we recognize a woman." then that would be a different story.
It's called politically correct when things are done to keep the screaming minority of people who give a excrement about stuff like this quiet.
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As per usual, you've got things completely the wrong way round. Why shouldn't people complain that public property such as money isn't representative of society?
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As per usual, you've got things completely the wrong way round. Why shouldn't people complain that public property such as money isn't representative of society?
Because it's a stupid thing to complain about. It's not discriminatory that there's no woman on a bill. Not having one isn't indicative of deep-rooted sexist undertones in society. Those that think so are retarded. These were the people the U.S deemed important enough at the time to put on the face of those bills.
The same goes with affirmative action and other PC moves by society. Not enough black firefighters? Must be a racial thing. Let's make a quota. Can't get enough blacks interested in becoming firemen? Let's lower the standards to fit the quota.
Why do feel the need to have everyone equally represented? It's just stupid.
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Why do feel the need to have everyone equally represented? It's just stupid.
I think you've really just summed up the conversation, and your views, perfectly.
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Tommy is doing a great job of convincing me that Tubman on the 20 is a solid move. I'm still largely apathetic, but his arguments are definitely persuading me to approve the move.
Thinking that the only reason to have women on paper money is to appease them is silly. We're the only major nation I can think of that doesn't have a woman on any of its currency. Like I said, the moves to put women on the reverse side seems more prudent, but the $2 bill (or better, the $50 bill) would have been great choices for the front.
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Why do feel the need to have everyone equally represented? It's just stupid.
I think you've really just summed up the conversation, and your views, perfectly.
lol
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Taking Jackson off of the $20 is an awesome move. I don't really hate him but he hated banking and money so much that it made no sense to have him on currency anyway
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Taking Jackson off of the $20 is an awesome move. I don't really hate him but he hated banking and money so much that it made no sense to have him on currency anyway
At least he was important as a president. Grant was a drunk figurehead who via neglect ushered in an economic disaster approaching Jackson's.
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I don't give a freak whose stupid face is on my money.
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I don't give a freak whose stupid face is on my money.
Until the campaign to have Tom Brady on the $10 bill starts to gather momentum, then you'll be looking for the first black lesbian amputee you can find to be immortalised on your cash.
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I think we can all agree that Benjamin Franklin was a no-good worthless piece of excrement that did virtually nothing for the U.S. I demand he be replaced with Al Sharpton on the $100 bill immediately.
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I think we can all agree that Benjamin Franklin was a no-good worthless piece of excrement that did virtually nothing for the U.S. I demand he be replaced with Al Sharpton on the $100 bill immediately.
"Who the freak is Ben Franklin? Oh...i'm glad he's dead"
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Tommy is doing a great job of convincing me that Tubman on the 20 is a solid move. I'm still largely apathetic, but his arguments are definitely persuading me to approve the move.
I thought "Okay, whatever" when I heard the news the other day. Then I saw the blatant racism and sexism that resulted from it and suddenly I thought "You know what? Good."
Taking Jackson off of the $20 is an awesome move. I don't really hate him but he hated banking and money so much that it made no sense to have him on currency anyway
He's still going to be on it too. There was so much bitching that the Treasury later in the day announced a "clarification" that Jackson would be moved to the back of the bill.
At least he was important as a president. Grant was a drunk figurehead who via neglect ushered in an economic disaster approaching Jackson's.
I've never understood why Grant is on our currency.
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I thought "Okay, whatever" when I heard the news the other day. Then I saw the blatant racism and sexism that resulted from it and suddenly I thought "You know what? Good."
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How was anything I said "blatant racism and sexism"?
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He's still going to be on it too. There was so much bitching that the Treasury later in the day announced a "clarification" that Jackson would be moved to the back of the bill.
I've never understood why Grant is on our currency.
Ah, that's interesting. And dumb.
Grant's on our currency moreso for his contributions as a general than as a president, IIRC
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Ah, that's interesting. And dumb.
Grant's on our currency moreso for his contributions as a general than as a president, IIRC
We have a bingo.
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Ah, that's interesting. And dumb.
Grant's on our currency moreso for his contributions as a general than as a president, IIRC
It's certainly more for his contributions as a general, but he was originally selected because a Republican dominated Congress decided to honor deceased Republican presidents. Given that brief history only extended back to Lincoln, Grant was an easy choice for an infrequent bill. It's more surprising that he was never removed and even weathered the current change.
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I had to look up who was actually dead at that point, but it was down to Grant, Hayes, Garfield/Arthur, Harrison, and McKinley. No surprise the first and last were the ones chosen, both shitty presidents in a long line of shitty presidents. Teddy deserves a bank note, but he was reviled by the Republicans at that point and still alive when they first chose Grant to appear.
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How was anything I said "blatant racism and sexism"?
I didn't say it came from you.
Ah, that's interesting. And dumb.
Grant's on our currency moreso for his contributions as a general than as a president, IIRC
Yeah, I get "how" but I never understood the "why."
It's certainly more for his contributions as a general, but he was originally selected because a Republican dominated Congress decided to honor deceased Republican presidents. Given that brief history only extended back to Lincoln, Grant was an easy choice for an infrequent bill. It's more surprising that he was never removed and even weathered the current change.
I never knew that. Clowns in Congress wasting taxpayer dollars on personal crusades. The more things change...
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I've never understood why Grant is on our currency.
Because his name is baller as freak.
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learning about Andrew Jackson was the catalyst to me not realizing how fucked up American government can be as a kid.
the guy basically eliminated an entire group of people and is on money.
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Now women can make $15 for every Tubman I earn.
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Maybe they should have made a 15$ bill and put her on it. In honor of the fight for 15, and how so many fast food workers have suffered
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I be throwin' Tubbies at dem bitches!
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learning about Andrew Jackson was the catalyst to me not realizing how fucked up American government can be as a kid.
the guy basically eliminated an entire group of people and is on money.
He was a great man of his time, but he was a man of his time. excrement, even George Washington owned slaves. Abraham Lincoln even admitted that though Africans shouldn't be slaves that they're subhuman. We can't attach modern morality to people who lived in different eras with completely different morals.
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He was a great man of his time, but he was a man of his time. excrement, even George Washington owned slaves. Abraham Lincoln even admitted that though Africans shouldn't be slaves that they're subhuman. We can't attach modern morality to people who lived in different eras with completely different morals.
I would love to see the quote where he said they're subhuman. He didn't favor full political and social equality until it was necessary, but that was putting them more in line with women. Subhuman?
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Also, I just realized you called them "Africans". The importation of slaves was ended before Lincoln was even born.
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And liberals of course take it to the next level...
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Maybe we could get a dinosaur on a 50$ bill?
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I would love to see the quote where he said they're subhuman. He didn't favor full political and social equality until it was necessary, but that was putting them more in line with women. Subhuman?
I exaggerated, but you know what I meant.
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He was a great man of his time, but he was a man of his time. excrement, even George Washington owned slaves. Abraham Lincoln even admitted that though Africans shouldn't be slaves that they're subhuman. We can't attach modern morality to people who lived in different eras with completely different morals.
uh
I think we can universally say genocide is pretty fucked up.
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I be throwin' Tubbies at dem bitches!
Deserving of a quote. I can't wait to hear this in rap songs.
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Deserving of a quote. I can't wait to hear this in rap songs.
Thanks, I'll pass.
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And liberals of course take it to the next level...
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Maybe we could get a dinosaur on a 50$ bill?
I'm completely on board with iconic American animals being on bills. Eagle, bison, mountain lion, grizzly bear, wild turkey, etc.
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I'm completely on board with iconic American animals being on bills. Eagle, bison, mountain lion, grizzly bear, wild turkey, etc.
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uh
I think we can universally say genocide is pretty fucked up.
The U.S. Government had sovereignty over those lands but allowed the Indians to maintain their own "nations" if I recall correctly. They didn't want to assimilate, so Jackson, half the senate/house, decided to move them to reservations out west. The Indians were already a conquered people, so allowing them self-government was already pretty generous for any power at the time.
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Now women can make $15 for every Tubman I earn.
Yessssssss
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Google "John Kasich age"
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Trump has come out against these North Carolina transgenderness laws and all that excrement, saying they should use whatever bathrooms they want etc etc.
I don't think people realize just how liberal Trump is. If it wasn't for his poorly articulated and misguided immigration stances he really could be one of the most moderate presidential candidates of the modern era.
It's really a shame, because I think a fiscally conservative socially left leaning president would help soothe the horrible political atmosphere in this country.
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Actually, he said the following day that it should be a decision for the individual state governments, which is clearly wrong as evidenced by what's going on right now.
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Actually, he said the following day that it should be a decision for the individual state governments, which is clearly wrong as evidenced by what's going on right now.
Right, but his overall point is "hey if the state wants to make a dumb law that will cost them business and face, go ahead." The people of the state will ultimately decide that it's just not worth it. Having the federal government force things on states just breeds resentment. Let the states make bad decisions, suffer the consequences, and have the chance happen organically.
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Actually, he said the following day that it should be a decision for the individual state governments, which is clearly wrong as evidenced by what's going on right now.
I think some of that is pandering though. I mean his position was (initially) very clear thst the way it is now where they can use whatever they want is fine and special transgenderness bathrooms is stupid.
Then he got hammered from the right for having the same stance as Clinton and Sanders, and all the talk radio shows.
Eitherway it's hard to deny that Trump has many left leaning tendencies. Personally I think he's more liberal than McCain as well.
The biggest question is will he take someone like Palin as his vp like McCain did to appeal to the right (where at least the establishment hates him)
OR will he do what people wanted McCain to do and get some kind of Lieberman moderate.
If Trump could get some kind of Hispanic moderate that would be interesting to say the least
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I think some of that is pandering though. I mean his position was (initially) very clear thst the way it is now where they can use whatever they want is fine and special transgenderness bathrooms is stupid.
Then he got hammered from the right for having the same stance as Clinton and Sanders, and all the talk radio shows.
Eitherway it's hard to deny that Trump has many left leaning tendencies. Personally I think he's more liberal than McCain as well.
The biggest question is will he take someone like Palin as his vp like McCain did to appeal to the right (where at least the establishment hates him)
OR will he do what people wanted McCain to do and get some kind of Lieberman moderate.
If Trump could get some kind of Hispanic moderate that would be interesting to say the least
Sanders supporters hate Hillary with a passion, and also feel disenfranchised by party politics. Trump will be the anti-establishment candidate. Establishment Republicans will have no choice but to vote for him lest subject themselves to a Hillary presidency. Bernie supporters, maybe even half of them, will vote for him simply on the grounds that he's anti-establishment and to spite the Democratic Party, prompting change. Trump will showcase his more moderate views once the general campaign hits. He's a consummate negotiator, knows what he's doing. There's zero reason to pander to moderates and independents now when his main goal is to lock up the primary. Immigration, terrorism, and guns. Save the moderate cards for the general.
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Right, but his overall point is "hey if the state wants to make a dumb law that will cost them business and face, go ahead." The people of the state will ultimately decide that it's just not worth it. Having the federal government force things on states just breeds resentment. Let the states make bad decisions, suffer the consequences, and have the chance happen organically.
Your faith in markets is nothing if not dogged, but they don't have the answer for a lot of things and they don't have the answer for this. It's entirely unfair that people should have to suffer on an ongoing basis while we wait for the market to exert enough pressure to overcome blind prejudice. This is exactly why you have a federal government.
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Bernie supporters, maybe even half of them, will vote for him simply on the grounds that he's anti-establishment and to spite the Democratic Party
lolwut
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lolwut
Yeah this is pretty dumb
Bernie supporters hate Trump more than they like him.
If Trump could get 25% of them I would consider it a massive success
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lolwut
I don't know about half, but he's not wrong. I know many, many Bernie supporters who are planning to vote Trump because they think it'll get the political revolution moving. Don't underestimate just how much some of them hate Clinton and are pissed about the allegations of cheating her way to the nomination.
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I don't know about half, but he's not wrong. I know many, many Bernie supporters who are planning to vote Trump because they think it'll get the political revolution moving. Don't underestimate just how much some of them hate Clinton and are pissed about the allegations of cheating her way to the nomination.
I would be astonished if that actually happened.
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Right, but his overall point is "hey if the state wants to make a dumb law that will cost them business and face, go ahead." The people of the state will ultimately decide that it's just not worth it. Having the federal government force things on states just breeds resentment. Let the states make bad decisions, suffer the consequences, and have the chance happen organically.
Questions of protecting individual rights and liberty should be dealt with at the federal level. You can't leave it up to the states, who are much more governed by the will of the people, to decide things like that. I agree that the federal government oversteps its bounds in a lot of ways, but matters of individual rights are not one of those areas.
Having said that, I'm having a really hard time giving a excrement about the bathroom issue.
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I would be astonished if that actually happened.
Get ready to be astonished. People are finally thinking bigger than the next president. They're thinking of the overall political system and what it'll take to change it. A Clinton nomination means boosts for Trump and Johnson. I know very few Sanders supporters who will vote Clinton. She'll still carry states like California, but she's going to lose others and even if she wins the presidency, it'll likely be as a minority. I think it's unlikely, but it wouldn't surprise me if she won with the lowest popular vote percent since Lincoln. Even the moderate Sanders supporters I know are writing him in.
I would never vote for her, so I get the mindset. Of course, I haven't voted for a Dem candidate in a major election since 2000.
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Get ready to be astonished. People are finally thinking bigger than the next president. They're thinking of the overall political system and what it'll take to change it. A Clinton nomination means boosts for Trump and Johnson. I know very few Sanders supporters who will vote Clinton. She'll still carry states like California, but she's going to lose others and even if she wins the presidency, it'll likely be as a minority. I think it's unlikely, but it wouldn't surprise me if she won with the lowest popular vote percent since Lincoln. Even the moderate Sanders supporters I know are writing him in.
I would never vote for her, so I get the mindset. Of course, I haven't voted for a Dem candidate in a major election since 2000.
I have to imagine there's a VERY good chance Clinton gives the vp nod to a Hispanic. And if that's the case I expect her to absolutely annihilate Trump across the board.
I could even see the Hispanic vote going for Hillary similar to the black vote under such circumstances. And it's hard to imagine Trump keeping up with that
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Now you REALLY know this election cycle is fucked when the Koch brothers could favor the likely democratic candidate
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/24/politics/charles-koch-hillary-clinton-2016/
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The Koch brothers usually buy both candidates before the election so they win either way. I guess Trump might throw a wrench in that.
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Another election you where you have the privilege to pick between (ahem, vote for) a Douchebag or a Turd Sandwich. Aaaah, democracy.
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Another election you where you have the privilege to pick between (ahem, vote for) a Douchebag or a Turd Sandwich. Aaaah, democracy.
Gary Johnson if that's how you feel. Even if you don't necessarily agree with his stances he won't win but if he gets 5% of the vote next election cycle gets scary for the major parties.
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Gary Johnson if that's how you feel. Even if you don't necessarily agree with his stances he won't win but if he gets 5% of the vote next election cycle gets scary for the major parties.
I wouldn't say it gets scary
This country is a LONG way from having an electable 3rd party candidate
I would say their biggest fear would be a 3rd party being unpredictable when it comes to being able to swipe votes from the two major parties
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Trump vs Clinton will be a low turnout rout. Women will come out in droves against trump and for Clinton, trump has alienated way too many people on all sides of every issue to carry swing states, especially with his horrible ground game and the fact that local republican parties are routinely running away from trump.
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I wouldn't say it gets scary
This country is a LONG way from having an electable 3rd party candidate
I would say their biggest fear would be a 3rd party being unpredictable when it comes to being able to swipe votes from the two major parties
"I wouldn't say it gets scary"
"Here's why it gets scary"
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Trump vs Clinton will be a low turnout rout. Women will come out in droves against trump and for Clinton, trump has alienated way too many people on all sides of every issue to carry swing states, especially with his horrible ground game and the fact that local republican parties are routinely running away from trump.
I think you underestimate how many women hate every other woman. Tons of women Trump supporters in my area.
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I think you underestimate how many women hate every other woman. Tons of women Trump supporters in my area.
it's true.
There's a weird amount of white professional women who support trump.
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I have to imagine there's a VERY good chance Clinton gives the vp nod to a Hispanic. And if that's the case I expect her to absolutely annihilate Trump across the board.
I could even see the Hispanic vote going for Hillary similar to the black vote under such circumstances. And it's hard to imagine Trump keeping up with that
Who are these Hispanic politicians that you're referring to?
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Who are these Hispanic politicians that you're referring to?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/growing-list-vice-presidential-candidates-sides/story?id=37983984
I'd say it's essentially guaranteed both sides have a Hispanic on their short list
Trump made it a central issue, now they'll decide this election
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Who are these Hispanic politicians that you're referring to?
Beat me to it. I don't know which Democratic Hispanic politicians she's going to draw from.
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LOL she's going to choose a running mate who has never been elected to an office higher than mayor? Or another who has never held elected office?
Bitch, they ain't Trump.
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LOL she's going to choose a running mate who has never been elected to an office higher than mayor? Or another who has never held elected office?
Bitch, they ain't Trump.
Not that I give a freak who she nominates. But they have been appointed to positions by Obama..
True they weren't "elected" but I can't see how that matters (outside of them lacking experience on the stump, but Hillary is married to someone who was a master at it and can more than fill that void)
If Clinton has a Hispanic VP she's going to completely run away with the Hispanic vote vs trump.
And if the left can get a stronghold on the Hispanic they'll probably dominate the Whitehouse for years to come
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Not that I give a freak who she nominates. But they have been appointed to positions by Obama..
True they weren't "elected" but I can't see how that matters (outside of them lacking experience on the stump, but Hillary is married to someone who was a master at it and can more than fill that void)
If Clinton has a Hispanic VP she's going to completely run away with the Hispanic vote vs trump.
And if the left can get a stronghold on the Hispanic they'll probably dominate the Whitehouse for years to come
You really are an idiot.
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You really are an idiot.
Please enlighten me
Because ill point out that Perez and Castro are mentioned in every single article discussing Hillary's potential VP candidates.
By no means is either a front runner or guaranteed, but obviously they make a lot of sense considering that they are constantly discussed
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Gary Johnson if that's how you feel. Even if you don't necessarily agree with his stances he won't win but if he gets 5% of the vote next election cycle gets scary for the major parties.
I strongly encourage anyone with even a hint of disappointment in the two main nominees to research their third party options and vote accordingly. I voted for the Libertarian nominee in the last two general elections. I've shifted on a few key issues over the last couple years so I probably won't vote for Johnson again, but I still recommend him for anyone who's in his ideological ballpark.
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Maybe Hillary can have Bill as her VP, House of Cards style.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yosAVMB47-Y
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Please enlighten me
Because ill point out that Perez and Castro are mentioned in every single article discussing Hillary's potential VP candidates.
By no means is either a front runner or guaranteed, but obviously they make a lot of sense considering that they are constantly discussed
It's such an obvious pandering move. The Hispanic vote isn't even enough to sway things one way or another. Besides, the two Hispanic republicans couldn't even get the majority of Hispanic republicans on their side.
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I had no idea, but apparently the Hispanic vote only makes up less than 9% of voters.
Theres even less Hispanic voters than there are blacks.
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I had no idea, but apparently the Hispanic vote only makes up less than 9% of voters.
Theres even less Hispanic voters than there are blacks.
For now.
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Not that I give a freak who she nominates. But they have been appointed to positions by Obama..
True they weren't "elected" but I can't see how that matters (outside of them lacking experience on the stump, but Hillary is married to someone who was a master at it and can more than fill that void)
If Clinton has a Hispanic VP she's going to completely run away with the Hispanic vote vs trump.
And if the left can get a stronghold on the Hispanic they'll probably dominate the Whitehouse for years to come
I can't recall any VPs who had never held elected office. It's certainly not a throwaway. Holding a cabinet position with autonomous control over your department outside of the president is wildly different than having to preside over the Senate.
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Well, at least Cruz and Kasich have dropped the pretenses. They're not in the race to win at this point. They're in it to stop Trump. At this point, whatever happens is good for dismantling the political system. If the two of them collude and manage to get the race into the convention where a JQA minority nomination occurs, things are going to get epic for the Republican party.
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I think you underestimate how many women hate every other woman. Tons of women Trump supporters in my area.
it's true.
There's a weird amount of white professional women who support trump.
Trump will be a historically bad candidate in terms of the gender gap against Clinton or Sanders.
Women aren’t amused. Seven out of ten women (67 percent) have an unfavorable view of Trump, and only 26 percent view him favorably, according to a national Quinnipiac survey from late March. Other polls have his unfavorability ratings among women even higher, at 74 percent.
... Trump probably would take the GOP to a devastatingly new low, not reached since Barry Goldwater lost the women’s vote by 24 points in 1964.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434171/donald-trumps-low-ratings-women
A new CNN poll released Thursday, taken before the spat with rival Ted Cruz over his wife, found that 73 percent of registered female voters in the United States had an unfavorable view of Trump. That’s in line with a Reuters poll from last week that found more than half of American women hold a “very unfavorable” view of the billionaire.
“That gives him a huge number of voters he has to make up from somewhere,” said American University political science professor Karen O’Connor. “And I don’t know where they will come from.”
Opposition to Trump among women also extends to the GOP. A recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found that 47 percent of Republican women could not see themselves supporting Trump, a number significantly higher than for any other GOP candidate.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/274260-trump-faces-daunting-gender-gap
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The way I see it neither Clinton or Trump will affect my life much as President so I'd be fine with Trump for the comedy factor.
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The way I see it neither Clinton or Trump will affect my life much as President so I'd be fine with Trump for the comedy factor.
I used to think that way, then I thought about a President meeting with foreign leaders. And talking. As far as making laws, there are checks and balances, but much damage can be done by words alone. You can't be a US president acting like a giant pissed off bulldozer. Doesn't work.
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The way I see it neither Clinton or Trump will affect my life much as President so I'd be fine with Trump for the comedy factor.
Trump would probably lower your taxes so if you truly don't care about anything else that would be reason enough to vote for him.
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Living in N.Y. I already know Hillary won so that's why I'll go with Johnson but single payer healthcare would save me so much freaking money no matter what the tax increase.
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I used to think that way, then I thought about a President meeting with foreign leaders. And talking. As far as making laws, there are checks and balances, but much damage can be done by words alone. You can't be a US president acting like a giant pissed off bulldozer. Doesn't work.
Trump has had business ventures all over the world, and has negotiated with shrewd masters of industry his entire career. I think he can handle foreign politicians, many of whom are former business leaders themselves.
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Living in N.Y. I already know Hillary won so that's why I'll go with Johnson but single payer healthcare would save me so much freaking money no matter what the tax increase.
Single Payer healthcare will require a major overhaul in mandatory spending, which has been a contentious issue on both sides. Considering how much we already pay each year for Medicare/Medicaid, we'd have to scrap those and start over. I'd be wary of anyone who promises universal health care. It just isn't realistic without bipartisan support and concessions on both sides. And don't mention defense, which even if cut in half would barely make a dent.
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Bernie and Hillary still battling for Del Boca Vista condo president.
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Single Payer healthcare will require a major overhaul in mandatory spending, which has been a contentious issue on both sides. Considering how much we already pay each year for Medicare/Medicaid, we'd have to scrap those and start over. I'd be wary of anyone who promises universal health care. It just isn't realistic without bipartisan support and concessions on both sides. And don't mention defense, which even if cut in half would barely make a dent.
"It's hard so we shouldn't try"
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"It's hard so we shouldn't try"
Exactly. The majority of the planet has it sorted but our country is too busy shitposting their political opinions to Facebook rather than fix the Healthcare problem
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"It's hard so we shouldn't try"
We absolutely should try, but actually trying requires overhauling all our social programs and basically starting over. GWB couldn't even bring up the idea of reforming SS without the other side screaming, never mind overhauling Medicare/Medicaid and other social programs.
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Exactly. The majority of the planet has it sorted but our country is too busy shitposting their political opinions to Facebook rather than fix the Healthcare problem
I'm not going to pretend to know how every countries healthcare works, but they're far from "sorted out"
There's crazy long waits to see a physician in certain countries, in other countries preventable diseases have higher mortality rates than us (because it takes longer to get a appointment/treatment and preventative care).
And I found out from someone I know that n Canada physicians can drop you as a patient and or refuse to operate on your for certain lifestyle choices. For example a surgeon can legally refuse to perform surgery on you because you smoke. You damn well know that excrement would never fly here
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I'm not going to pretend to know how every countries healthcare works, but they're far from "sorted out"
There's crazy long waits to see a physician in certain countries, in other countries preventable diseases have higher mortality rates than us (because it takes longer to get a appointment/treatment and preventative care).
And I found out from someone I know that n Canada physicians can drop you as a patient and or refuse to operate on your for certain lifestyle choices. For example a surgeon can legally refuse to perform surgery on you because you smoke. You damn well know that excrement would never fly here
Honestly... I don't believe you. Sounds like exaggerations people in the industry make to protect the system.
Every time I hear about people's experience with their country's health care systems it's generally (if not always) positive. Foreigners can't even comprehend the costs of our Healthcare for the uninsured or poorly insured.
I frankly think it's bullshit that my place of employment determines my healthcare. I'm more successful than the majority of my peers but because I work in a small business my health insurance option from my employer is dogshit. I pay out the derriere for some crappy plan that basically covers a doctors visit. Why should my dumbass friend who hangs off the back of a garbage truck have excellent healthcare while I don't? Because it's a gov't job? Makes no sense.
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To add/edit: I don't mean to say low level workers don't deserve good health care, rather your place of employment should not have any impact on health care.
If you are wealthy and want to pay more for the gold standard of care, then go for it. But it should be a human right that anyone and everyone deserves an appropriate level of care without being bankrupted.
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I do think theres data to support it.
But healthcare is so politicized that every article you read supporting it (or knocking it) is filled too the top with bullshit.
"Well the united states has better survival rates, because they diagnose people with cancer that they wouldnt pick up in europe because its not serious" bullshit.
Eitherway I think its a (relatively) solid point that access to care in the United States is far greater. And the survival rates for the most basic kinds of cancer (prostate + breast cancer) are better here significantly because of that.
And the whole physicians able to cherry pick and deny patients would NEVER EVER fly here.
The current CMS initiatives are "kinda" pushing us that direction already, and physicians get penalized for taking on excessively sick patients as them/the hospital are more likely to lose money on them.
Its a terrible model so idk
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To add/edit: I don't mean to say low level workers don't deserve good health care, rather your place of employment should not have any impact on health care.
If you are wealthy and want to pay more for the gold standard of care, then go for it. But it should be a human right that anyone and everyone deserves an appropriate level of care without being bankrupted.
The biggest problem becomes access to care though. Are people cool with rationing healthcare ? Being denied access to care they have now ? Having the government tell them who they can and cant see ?
You can do a quick google search and see that in several socialized countries (Canada, England, Australlia) physicians can and do deny patients care for lifestyle choices. And considering how prevalent obesity is in this country, plus how strong the smoking lobby is. I cant see that changing.
Not to mention America is all about catering to victims, so you damn well know that it wouldnt fly.
The only way I would support universal healthcare (I dont) would be if we rationed care,and denied care to people that are freaking idiots. But we never would, therefore get universal healthcare we never should.
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Aren't there a few members here with long-term experience with universal health care? I have none, but I'm sure JE, MBGreen, and I think IATA have experience and comments. Are the British and Canadian systems similar to each other?
Why ask Google when you can ask people directly.
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We absolutely should try, but actually trying requires overhauling all our social programs and basically starting over. GWB couldn't even bring up the idea of reforming SS without the other side screaming, never mind overhauling Medicare/Medicaid and other social programs.
That's because privatizing SS and instituting single payer are wildly different aims.
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That's because privatizing SS and instituting single payer are wildly different aims.
But they're related. Privatizing SS frees up a lot of money in the budget that can go towards more coverage.
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I do think theres data to support it.
But healthcare is so politicized that every article you read supporting it (or knocking it) is filled too the top with bullshit.
"Well the united states has better survival rates, because they diagnose people with cancer that they wouldnt pick up in europe because its not serious" bullshit.
Eitherway I think its a (relatively) solid point that access to care in the United States is far greater. And the survival rates for the most basic kinds of cancer (prostate + breast cancer) are better here significantly because of that.
And the whole physicians able to cherry pick and deny patients would NEVER EVER fly here.
The current CMS initiatives are "kinda" pushing us that direction already, and physicians get penalized for taking on excessively sick patients as them/the hospital are more likely to lose money on them.
Its a terrible model so idk
Canada utilizes the same code for dismissing patients as the US does. I'm not sure where you heard differently.
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We also can't use other countries as examples here. We already pay more per citizen for Medicare/Medicaid than Canada spends per citizen on their universal healthcare. A full overhaul of our social programs would be necessary.
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Aren't there a few members here with long-term experience with universal health care? I have none, but I'm sure JE, MBGreen, and I think IATA have experience and comments. Are the British and Canadian systems similar to each other?
Why ask Google when you can ask people directly.
Who cares what any of those assholes think
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And I found out from someone I know that n Canada physicians can drop you as a patient and or refuse to operate on your for certain lifestyle choices. For example a surgeon can legally refuse to perform surgery on you because you smoke. You damn well know that excrement would never fly here
That sounded a bit odd, so I had a quick Google of it. (You could have too, if you'd wanted.) The College of Physicians has endorsed the right of a surgeon operating on a lung cancer patient to insist that they not smoke for 3-6 weeks prior to the operation, as medically speaking it makes a significant difference to the patient's chances. That's a medical decision based upon (I presume) sound science; I'm not sure why you think only operating on people who can afford to pay for it is a better form of judgement.
Aren't there a few members here with long-term experience with universal health care? I have none, but I'm sure JE, MBGreen, and I think IATA have experience and comments. Are the British and Canadian systems similar to each other?
Why ask Google when you can ask people directly.
The Canadian and British systems are extremely similar in many ways, although the UK has a private overlay for elective and non-urgent surgeries that allows for those with the means and willingness to pay to do so for a private hospital with (usually) shorter waiting lists.
It's not really comparable to the US though, because both Canada and the UK have spent decades investing public money in publicly owned hospitals and publicly employed medical staff. I think that that boat has long since sailed in the US; I don't see any way you could take hospitals into public ownership and I can't see how you'd build a rival infrastructure short of spending less money on blowing up countries on the other side of the world, and I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.
My exposure to public healthcare has been thankfully very limited on a personal level, but for my immediate family it has been a mixed bag. In Canada, when my father-in-law was diagnosed with late stage liver cancer his last few weeks were difficult and the healthcare system didn't really do as much for him as we would have liked, but on the other hand my mother-in-law's partner has a raft of very serious health issues, including but not limited to diabetes and almost complete kidney failure meaning that he has to have dialysis every day, and the system has treated him very well. In the UK, my Dad had his thyroid removed last year due to a tumour and the system was very efficient; my Mum is currently in her third month of chemotherapy for oesophogal cancer and her treatment has also been excellent.
I think the point is that in a public healthcare system medical decisions are not limited by the amount of money available. They are on occasion limited by central budgets, but that's only when they go wrong; money is almost always available to ensure that essential operations are performed. I can't imagine having to make a decision as to whether to have treatment for a condition based upon whether I could afford it, but I don't know enough about your system to know how you fix it.
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We also can't use other countries as examples here. We already pay more per citizen for Medicare/Medicaid than Canada spends per citizen on their universal healthcare. A full overhaul of our social programs would be necessary.
I'm going to assume this is wrong since your just saying it over and over again but I don't actually know enough about the subject to dispute it.
Personally, I'm already paying into those systems plus a few hundred a month for insurance plus all my extra cash towards the part of every hospital visit that the insurance doesn't cover so I don't see how anyone who ever has a medical problem in their life would be worse off paying an additional flate rate instead of the current way we do things.
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I'm going to assume this is wrong since your just saying it over and over again but I don't actually know enough about the subject to dispute it.
Personally, I'm already paying into those systems plus a few hundred a month for insurance plus all my extra cash towards the part of every hospital visit that the insurance doesn't cover so I don't see how anyone who ever has a medical problem in their life would be worse off paying an additional flate rate instead of the current way we do things.
The internet says he's right, and by a huge margin. Medicaid spending per enrolee in the US is $13,249 (http://kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/medicaid-spending-per-enrollee/) and healthcare spending per capita in Canada is $6105 (https://www.cihi.ca/en/spending-and-health-workforce/spending).
That disparity is always going to exist as long as you are paying private, profit-driven organisations to deliver your healthcare. When you own your own hospitals it's always going to be cheaper.
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The internet says he's right, and by a huge margin. Medicaid spending per enrolee in the US is $13,249 (http://kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/medicaid-spending-per-enrollee/) and healthcare spending per capita in Canada is $6105 (https://www.cihi.ca/en/spending-and-health-workforce/spending).
That disparity is always going to exist as long as you are paying private, profit-driven organisations to deliver your healthcare. When you own your own hospitals it's always going to be cheaper.
And keep in mind that $13k only covers a portion of the population. The entire system needs an overhaul. Nothing wrong with private hospitals and such, but we do have enough tax revenue to afford to fund public hospitals etc. Our money is just horribly mismanaged. That's my entire point. I'm totally 100pct for universal basic health care.
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Just for fun, here are 5-year cancer survival rates in the US vs other countries (taken from http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/articles/concord-2.htm) -
Country Female Breast Colon Lung Prostate Childhood Leukemia
| Canada* | 85.8 (3rd) | 62.8 (5th) | 17.3 (3rd) | 91.7 (2nd) | 90.6 (2nd) |
| France** | 86.9 (2nd) | 59.8 (6th) | 13.6 (6th) | 90.5 (4th) | 89.2 (3rd) |
| Germany | 85.3 (4th) | 64.6 (2nd) | 16.2 (4th) | 91.2 (3rd) | 91.8 (1st) |
| Italy | 82.6 (6th) | 63.2 (4th) | 14.7 (5th) | 89.7 (5th) | 87.7 (t-5th) |
| Japan | 84.7 (5th) | 64.4 (3rd) | 30.1 (1st) | 86.8 (6th) | 81.1 (7th) |
| United Kingdom* | 81.1 (7th) | 53.8 (7th) | 9.6 (7th) | 83.2 (7th) | 89.1 (4th) |
| United States | 88.6 (1st) | 64.7 (1st) | 18.7 (2nd) | 92.7 (1st) | 87.7 (t-5th) |
*Countries with 100% population coverage
**100% population coverage for children only
While our healthcare system is still generally shitty, especially cost-wise, I think there are some misconceptions about its effectiveness. Universal healthcare tends to be shitty for any kind of serious illness.
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But they're related. Privatizing SS frees up a lot of money in the budget that can go towards more coverage.
SS is not paid for from the general tax pool.
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The Hill - Lena Dunham is the latest celebrity to say she’ll hightail it out of the country if Donald Trump is elected president. “I know a lot of people have been threatening to do this, but I really will,” Dunham told Andy Cohen at the Matrix Awards on Monday. “I know a lovely place in Vancouver and I can get my work done from there.” The star and creator of HBO’s “Girls” has been a prominent supporter of Hillary Clinton. She has campaigned with the Democratic front-runner throughout the 2016 race.
Washington Examiner - Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Tuesday he has no objections to actress Lena Dunham’s decision to leave the country if he becomes president. “Well, she’s a B actor and has no mojo,” Trump said on Fox News. “I heard Whoopi Goldberg said that too, that would be a great thing for our country,” Trump told host Steve Doocy, who proceeded to rattle off a list of celebrities who have leveled such a threat, including Rosie O’Donnell. “Oh, we’ll get rid of Rosie. Oh, I love it,” Trump said. “Now I have to get elected because I’ll be doing a great service to our country. I have to, now it’s much more important.”
Trump 2016
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There is an extremely morbid part of me that wants to see Trump win just to watch people lose their minds.
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That excrement annoys me.
"If Trump gets elected I'm moving to Canada!"
"If Harper gets re-elected I'm moving to the States!"
"If Cameron gets elected I'm moving to Australia!"
Bitch, what makes you think you can just up and move and that country is going to want anything to do with you? The only people who say excrement like this are people who've never moved to another country before. They have absolutely no freaking idea just how difficult it is to move to another country. Shut up, man up and fix your freaking problems.
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I don't know what kind of President Trump would be, but he'd fit in on our website quite well.
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I don't know what kind of President Trump would be, but he'd fit in on our website quite well.
Ban name: PRESIDENT TRUMP
Reason: Being a excrement-haired bundle of sticks
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Ban name: PRESIDENT TRUMP
Reason: Being a excrement-haired bundle of sticks
Haha.
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Trump 2016
Change I can believe in
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There is an extremely morbid part of me that wants to see Trump win just to watch people lose their minds.
Same boat here.
Honestly I'd have no problem weathering a Trump presidency as long as he doesn't freak with my job or the 1st Amendment/net neutrality.
Obviously I hope we don't get involved in another foreign conflict but I don't see that being any less likely under Clinton.
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Same boat here.
Honestly I'd have no problem weathering a Trump presidency as long as he doesn't freak with my job or the 1st Amendment/net neutrality.
Obviously I hope we don't get involved in another foreign conflict but I don't see that being any less likely under Clinton.
Given the last US President to not be involved in a foreign conflict was Jimmy Carter, I'd say the chances of your next President getting into one are fairly high and it should probably be a consideration when casting your vote.
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That excrement annoys me.
"If Trump gets elected I'm moving to Canada!"
"If Harper gets re-elected I'm moving to the States!"
"If Cameron gets elected I'm moving to Australia!"
Bitch, what makes you think you can just up and move and that country is going to want anything to do with you? The only people who say excrement like this are people who've never moved to another country before. They have absolutely no freaking idea just how difficult it is to move to another country. Shut up, man up and fix your freaking problems.
Lena Dunham played the "If Trump gets elected I'm moving to Canada!" card. I will start the war myself before we let that rhino cross our border.
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Given the last US President to not be involved in a foreign conflict was Jimmy Carter, I'd say the chances of your next President getting into one are fairly high and it should probably be a consideration when casting your vote.
Wait...what? That really depends on how you define 'foreign conflict'.
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Trump is doing his best to get my vote:
http://deadline.com/2016/04/donald-trump-lena-dunham-canada-move-fox-friends-video-1201744363/
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Lena Dunham played the "If Trump gets elected I'm moving to Canada!" card. I will start the war myself before we let that rhino cross our border.
Check his response in my post. Sorry, dude. We're voting him into office.
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Trump is doing his best to get my vote:
http://deadline.com/2016/04/donald-trump-lena-dunham-canada-move-fox-friends-video-1201744363/
Keep your own livestock.
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Wait...what? That really depends on how you define 'foreign conflict'.
Yeah, of course. I suspect that there isn't really a time that the US (and the UK, for that matter) haven't been involved in some form of international conflict. I can't think of a conflict that involved Carter putting US boots on foreign soil though.
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That excrement annoys me.
"If Trump gets elected I'm moving to Canada!"
"If Harper gets re-elected I'm moving to the States!"
"If Cameron gets elected I'm moving to Australia!"
Bitch, what makes you think you can just up and move and that country is going to want anything to do with you? The only people who say excrement like this are people who've never moved to another country before. They have absolutely no freaking idea just how difficult it is to move to another country. Shut up, man up and fix your freaking problems.
Finding a company to sponsor your visa is hard enough, never mind explaining with a straight face in an interview that the reason you want to move to the new country is because you dislike the President.
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I can't think of a conflict that involved Carter putting US boots on foreign soil though.
Technically wrong since Carter approved an operation to free the U.S. hostages in Iran, but they had to cancel last minute (while boots were on Iranian soil) because two of the copters broke down.
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Yeah, of course. I suspect that there isn't really a time that the US (and the UK, for that matter) haven't been involved in some form of international conflict. I can't think of a conflict that involved Carter putting US boots on foreign soil though.
I'd classify the Iran hostage crisis as a foreign conflict, though
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Well, OK. That only goes to emphasise my original point though, which is that disregarding a candidate's ability to handle a foreign conflict in the hope that there won't be one doesn't seem like a great idea.
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Keep your own livestock.
You can have a Dunham burger at Ben and Jacks.
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Well, OK. That only goes to emphasise my original point though, which is that disregarding a candidate's ability to handle a foreign conflict in the hope that there won't be one doesn't seem like a great idea.
The President deals with a lot of things. I think "international conflicts" are pretty low on the list. I can't foresee any conflict arising that would threaten the lives of Americans. Terrorism is a security issue, but it's not like we have any major superpowers to worry about.
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Its kind of funny how both Trump and Sanders are getting sandbagged by their political parties
Hopefully it leads to some sort of political revolution
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Its kind of funny how both Trump and Sanders are getting sandbagged by their political parties
Hopefully it leads to some sort of political revolution
A four candidate race? freak it. Let's go!
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Btw I love how Trump is pandering to the disenfranchised Sanders supporters. It's a great strategy.
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Btw I love how Trump is pandering to the disenfranchised Sanders supporters. It's a great strategy.
I doubt that's his goal here. Likely he really is just trying to pile on the whole Hillary is corrupt and is more of the same old politics of the past thing.
And probably even more so than that its likely a veiled threat at the Republicans since they're doing the exact same thing to him that the Democrats are doing to Bernie.
While it would make absolutely zero sense whatsoever on a political level, if Trump and Sanders both got the boot and teamed up as a team of independents it would completely turn our political system on its head and potentially could change the American political system forever.
What better way to tell the corrupt Republican and democratic parties how democracy should work. The voters actually voting for who they want, and not who the party wants to force feed down their throats
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I only posted that because of the bottom comment.
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I only posted that because of the bottom comment.
I figured as much.
But it really is fascinating to see two strong candidates basically get rejected by their political parties.
I think its a key step towards getting the people to attempt to reform a broken two party system
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Puck votes for Fist Up Tight derriere.
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I doubt that's his goal here. Likely he really is just trying to pile on the whole Hillary is corrupt and is more of the same old politics of the past thing.
And probably even more so than that its likely a veiled threat at the Republicans since they're doing the exact same thing to him that the Democrats are doing to Bernie.
While it would make absolutely zero sense whatsoever on a political level, if Trump and Sanders both got the boot and teamed up as a team of independents it would completely turn our political system on its head and potentially could change the American political system forever.
What better way to tell the corrupt Republican and democratic parties how democracy should work. The voters actually voting for who they want, and not who the party wants to force feed down their throats
I know it's only a small sample size but judging from comments I see on reddit from Bernie supporters who have come to hate the establishment, it's no surprise that some may lean towards Trump rather than vote Hillary. As much as I'd hate to admit, but I'd even vote for Bernie over any of the establishment republican candidates that end up sabotaging Trump's campaign.
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I know it's only a small sample size but judging from comments I see on reddit from Bernie supporters who have come to hate the establishment, it's no surprise that some may lean towards Trump rather than vote Hillary. As much as I'd hate to admit, but I'd even vote for Bernie over any of the establishment republican candidates that end up sabotaging Trump's campaign.
From all the hippie douchebag Bernie supporters I know, every single one absolutely loathes Trump as much if not more so than they like Bernie.
I cant see why youd actually vote for Bernie though.
Do you actually agree with anything he says ?
If Trump gets fucked I imagine he runs as an independent honestly. I cant see him go quiet into the night after winning the primaries and getting the magic # of delegates.
And if he for some reason doesnt, well then I think Gary Johnson makes a fun ton more sense than Bernie.
To me the thought of a Bernie Sanders voter, voting for Trump. Or Trump for Sanders, is absolutely freaking retarded. They are essentially polar opposites in every which way. It would make me question what the freaking they are basing their vote on in the first place. How hip their candidate is ?
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From all the hippie douchebag Bernie supporters I know, every single one absolutely loathes Trump as much if not more so than they like Bernie.
I cant see why youd actually vote for Bernie though.
Do you actually agree with anything he says ?
If Trump gets fucked I imagine he runs as an independent honestly. I cant see him go quiet into the night after winning the primaries and getting the magic # of delegates.
And if he for some reason doesnt, well then I think Gary Johnson makes a fun ton more sense than Bernie.
To me the thought of a Bernie Sanders voter, voting for Trump. Or Trump for Sanders, is absolutely freaking retarded. They are essentially polar opposites in every which way. It would make me question what the freaking they are basing their vote on in the first place. How hip their candidate is ?
I'm just tired of political parties in general. You have these analysts on CNN etc who proudly proclaim their allegiance to a particular party. It's disgusting really. That, more than anything, reeks of communism.
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I'm tired of politics.
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I'm just tired of political parties in general. You have these analysts on CNN etc who proudly proclaim their allegiance to a particular party. It's disgusting really. That, more than anything, reeks of communism.
So if you were tired of political parties, why would you vote for a candidate of one of the two major ones?
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So if you were tired of political parties, why would you vote for a candidate of one of the two major ones?
I'm voting for the candidate, not the party.
Party shills make me sick. Two parties just isn't enough for a country of 300 million. NY republicans and Alabama republicans are fundamentally different on a lot of issues.
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From all the hippie douchebag Bernie supporters I know, every single one absolutely loathes Trump as much if not more so than they like Bernie.
I cant see why youd actually vote for Bernie though.
Do you actually agree with anything he says ?
If Trump gets fucked I imagine he runs as an independent honestly. I cant see him go quiet into the night after winning the primaries and getting the magic # of delegates.
And if he for some reason doesnt, well then I think Gary Johnson makes a fun ton more sense than Bernie.
To me the thought of a Bernie Sanders voter, voting for Trump. Or Trump for Sanders, is absolutely freaking retarded. They are essentially polar opposites in every which way. It would make me question what the freaking they are basing their vote on in the first place. How hip their candidate is ?
The Bernie supporters I know who will vote for Trump would do so because they don't want to see Clinton perpetuate a broken system and further a broken party. They believe Trump ushers in a political party revolution.
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From all the hippie douchebag Bernie supporters I know, every single one absolutely loathes Trump as much if not more so than they like Bernie.
I cant see why youd actually vote for Bernie though.
Do you actually agree with anything he says ?
If Trump gets fucked I imagine he runs as an independent honestly. I cant see him go quiet into the night after winning the primaries and getting the magic # of delegates.
And if he for some reason doesnt, well then I think Gary Johnson makes a fun ton more sense than Bernie.
To me the thought of a Bernie Sanders voter, voting for Trump. Or Trump for Sanders, is absolutely freaking retarded. They are essentially polar opposites in every which way. It would make me question what the freaking they are basing their vote on in the first place. How hip their candidate is ?
Trump's not getting any Bernie supporters and he knows it. He wants Sanders to run as an Indy because it will pull votes away from Hillary. Same thing happened to Gore because of Nader, and HW because of Perot.
It's the reason why we can never have a viable third party candidate in this country: our presidential election isn't about who you want to be president, it's about who you don't want to be president. A vote for the third party candidate you like is half a vote for the Dem/Rep you really don't like.
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Two parties just isn't enough for a country of 300 million. NY republicans and Alabama republicans are fundamentally different on a lot of issues.
I agree entirely with you on that. Your two party system makes absolutely zero sense to me.
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I agree entirely with you on that. Your two party system makes absolutely zero sense to me.
I don't follow parliamentary politics as much, but don't countries like UK and Japan with many different parties just end up having coalitions of parties that work together to defeat other coalitions? So essentially they just turn into pseudo-two party states?
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I don't follow parliamentary politics as much, but don't countries like UK and Japan with many different parties just end up having coalitions of parties that work together to defeat other coalitions? So essentially they just turn into pseudo-two party states?
The UK just had its first coalition government since WWII and it was an unmitigated disaster. Everyone - literally everyone - hated it, and the Liberals destroyed themselves for the foreseeable future by getting into bed with the Tories. I can't speak for Japan, but the UK has two main parties (Conservative and Labour), a third minor party (Liberal) and a fourth smaller party (Green) who all have seats in Parliament. Canada is even better at doing multi-party government, they haven't had a Federal coalition since WW1. We have three strong parties - Conservative, Liberal and NDP - who take turns at keeping each other (mostly) in check.
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Trump's not getting any Bernie supporters and he knows it. He wants Sanders to run as an Indy because it will pull votes away from Hillary. Same thing happened to Gore because of Nader, and HW because of Perot.
It's the reason why we can never have a viable third party candidate in this country: our presidential election isn't about who you want to be president, it's about who you don't want to be president. A vote for the third party candidate you like is half a vote for the Dem/Rep you really don't like.
We've had viable third party candidates in the past, so you're already wrong on that front. As for the future, "never" is sad and defeatist and little more than a jaded excuse for continuing the system. It's the lie that the population has swallowed. Way to parrot it like a good little lemming.
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Trump's not getting any Bernie supporters and he knows it.
Define "any".
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I'd be tempted to vote for Trump as an independent just to boost the count for a non-standard party candidate. Can you imagine how both sides of the aisle would react if Trump got a large number of votes--heaven forbid he actually win. Social media would be hilarious. Like one long "Idiot Rage" thread.
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The "basketball ring" gaffe is getting way overblown, and I love it. Cruz is my least favorite candidate.
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I'd be tempted to vote for Trump as an independent just to boost the count for a non-standard party candidate. Can you imagine how both sides of the aisle would react if Trump got a large number of votes--heaven forbid he actually win. Social media would be hilarious. Like one long "Idiot Rage" thread.
We can replace him in four years anyway.
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I started reading the beginning of this thread about how we all believed this was going to be such a boring election cycle, and it's turning out to be one of the most entertaining in recent history.
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I started reading the beginning of this thread about how we all believed this was going to be such a boring election cycle, and it's turning out to be one of the most entertaining in recent history.
The only person who said that was you.
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I have a modest proposal. We should eat the children of poor people.
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The only person who said that was you.
Made you look.
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Made you look.
hahahaha!
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Made you look.
LOL
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Cruz just tabbed Fiorina as his running mate even though he's currently well behind in the delegate count. That worked out really well for Reagan in '76.
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Cruz just tabbed Fiorina as his running mate even though he's currently well behind in the delegate count. That worked out really well for Reagan in '76.
Is he just trying to grab headlines at this point? Or try and trick Republican voters in the rest of the states into believing he's the nominee because he already has a running mate?
It's so pathetic.
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Is he just trying to grab headlines at this point? Or try and trick Republican voters in the rest of the states into believing he's the nominee because he already has a running mate?
It's so pathetic.
When Reagan did it, he was a hell of a lot closer and was just trying to secure a few more votes. Even that didn't work. Cruz is launching one hell of a stupid hail mary here.
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Cruz just tabbed Fiorina as his running mate even though he's currently well behind in the delegate count. That worked out really well for Reagan in '76.
Ted is a mess.
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Carly Fiorina is an astonishingly inept individual. He really must be desperate.
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I'm sure he's just trying to secure an even higher share of female voters. His people are delusional if they think Fiorina is the answer there.
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Carly Fiorina is an astonishingly inept individual. He really must be desperate.
This. Yeah she was the first woman to become the head of one of the top 25 companies at the time, but she ran HP under the ground and championed that awful merger.
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I'm sure he's just trying to secure an even higher share of female voters. His people are delusional if they think Fiorina is the answer there.
I could be wrong, but doesn't Trump already have the majority of female republican voters anyway?
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I could be wrong, but doesn't Trump already have the majority of female republican voters anyway?
He did yesterday, but I thought he was trailing in women voters overall. I very well could be wrong.
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He did yesterday, but I thought he was trailing in women voters overall. I very well could be wrong.
Ha. Trump already making fun of him for it.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/725396879723384832
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Cruz is the worst.
What I'm interested in now is the Fox News turnabout. I like that they pushed the Megyn Kelly interview into May. That gives them a chance to see if the West Coast primaries are going to likely usher in a Trump nomination or if it really could get pushed to the convention. They need to be on Trump's side if the former happens. Setting up a mea culpa with Kelly could go a long way to repairing his image with Republican women right before going to likely the most level headed Republican constituency in California.
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Cruz is the worst.
What I'm interested in now is the Fox News turnabout. I like that they pushed the Megyn Kelly interview into May. That gives them a chance to see if the West Coast primaries are going to likely usher in a Trump nomination or if it really could get pushed to the convention. They need to be on Trump's side if the former happens. Setting up a mea culpa with Kelly could go a long way to repairing his image with Republican women right before going to likely the most level headed Republican constituency in California.
I figured California and New York Metro Republicans to be of the same ilk. Trump also swept the Republican Hispanic votes in the Southwest, so I can't imagine Cruz coming anywhere close to Trump out there.
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I figured California and New York Metro Republicans to be of the same ilk. Trump also swept the Republican Hispanic votes in the Southwest, so I can't imagine Cruz coming anywhere close to Trump out there.
No, but it gets them on favorable terms before he secures the nomination. It's good timing for both sides. Plenty of people will recognize it as opportunism, but plenty of Republican women will get swept up.
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I figured California and New York Metro Republicans to be of the same ilk. Trump also swept the Republican Hispanic votes in the Southwest, so I can't imagine Cruz coming anywhere close to Trump out there.
Lets remember how much Trump sweeping any Hispanic Republican vote means in the general... Nothing.
The way things went last night, its Trump/Clinton. They will both get the nom on the first ballot.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-fallible-mind/201601/why-ted-cruz-s-facial-expression-makes-me-uneasy
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Lets remember how much Trump sweeping any Hispanic Republican vote means in the general... Nothing.
The way things went last night, its Trump/Clinton. They will both get the nom on the first ballot.
I wasn't talking about the general, but for a state that has a healthy chunk of Hispanic voters I'm pretty sure that a sizable amount of them are Republicans. Unless you're trying to label them all as single-minded that can only vote Democrat.
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I wasn't talking about the general, but for a state that has a healthy chunk of Hispanic voters I'm pretty sure that a sizable amount of them are Republicans. Unless you're trying to label them all as single-minded that can only vote Democrat.
IIRC around a third of Hispanic voters are Republican. I don't know how that breaks down between different ethnicities that dominate each coast.
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I wasn't talking about the general, but for a state that has a healthy chunk of Hispanic voters I'm pretty sure that a sizable amount of them are Republicans. Unless you're trying to label them all as single-minded that can only vote Democrat.
The only group that is consistently Republican is white men, especially old white men. Every other demographic is going to vote majority Democrat. There is a reason for that, whether accurate and fair or not.
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The only group that is consistently Republican is white men, especially old white men. Every other demographic is going to vote majority Democrat. There is a reason for that, whether accurate and fair or not.
Its always perplexed me how this was true
Yet republicans tend to do extremely well in the senate and congress on a relatively consistent basis
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Its always perplexed me how this was true
Yet republicans tend to do extremely well in the senate and congress on a relatively consistent basis
Because Democrats can't get their excrement together to show up for midterm elections.
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The only group that is consistently Republican is white men, especially old white men. Every other demographic is going to vote majority Democrat. There is a reason for that, whether accurate and fair or not.
So what is the reason? You're a white male and are pretty progressive and likely votes democrat most of the time. I'm a white male and am the opposite. Why do we hold minorities to a different standard?
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So what is the reason? You're a white male and are pretty progressive and likely votes democrat most of the time. I'm a white male and am the opposite. Why do we hold minorities to a different standard?
isn't Fen like mexican or something?
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So what is the reason? You're a white male and are pretty progressive and likely votes democrat most of the time. I'm a white male and am the opposite. Why do we hold minorities to a different standard?
Democrat positions on ancillary issues that disproportionately affect various minority groups are more appealing to a lot of minorities. It's not like there aren't any black Republicans or Hispanic Republicans. The numbers are skewed because of issues that affect larger numbers of Hispanics, etc than whites. Here's an older piece that's still relevant. It's not just about immigration. You have in the past insisted that Hispanics shouldn't vote for Democrats because they're here legally and shouldn't want to reward illegals. That's really not the issue:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332916/why-hispanics-dont-vote-republicans-heather-mac-donald
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The funny thing is that you don't seem to have a problem with the poor white voters who vote Republican even though it's for social issues and they actually vote against their economic interests. You've said in the past you think social issues are silly reasons to vote for a party. Why not cast the same aspersions on those poor whites that you do on minorities, then?
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The funny thing is that you don't seem to have a problem with the poor white voters who vote Republican even though it's for social issues and they actually vote against their economic interests. You've said in the past you think social issues are silly reasons to vote for a party. Why not cast the same aspersions on those poor whites that you do on minorities, then?
"I never claimed to not be a hypocrite"
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Tawmmyz lawst.
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The funny thing is that you don't seem to have a problem with the poor white voters who vote Republican even though it's for social issues and they actually vote against their economic interests. You've said in the past you think social issues are silly reasons to vote for a party. Why not cast the same aspersions on those poor whites that you do on minorities, then?
The working class white vote is actually split.
Here's an excerpt from a Guardian article from 2012:
"The question of why poor people vote Republican is not simply an issue of income but primarily race and partly region and gender. Poor people may be more likely to vote Democrat; poor white people are not. In 2008 McCain won a slim majority (51%) of white Americans who earn less than $50,000 (this is just below the national median income which is not poor but the only figure available from exit polls that breaks down votes down by race and income), while Obama won a whopping majority of non-whites in the same category (86%)."
No figures for below $30k, but my point is that why are white voters usually split but minority voters seem to always vote Democrat regardless of their social beliefs or income?
I read another interesting article about how about a quarter of low income Union workers who identify as democrats (obviously) are backing Trump. I know it's a small sample size, but most of my extended family and working class immigrant community here in NY that I'm close to absolutely adores Trump. Even Albanians, despite what Bill Clinton did for them in Kosovo back in 1999.
Whites are able to change their minds. Why can't minorities do the same? That's my question. And I still have no idea what "anti-minority" or "pro-minority" issues are even supposed to mean. What issues exist that can possibly affect an entire race of people regardless of their social values, income, or education?
Could also be the Democrats doing their usually pandering. Republicans say they're anti-illegal immigration. Democrats spin that as anti-Hispanic. If you're anti-Hispanic then you're probably anti-Black as well.
Is that the mindset?
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The working class white vote is actually split.
Here's an excerpt from a Guardian article from 2012:
"The question of why poor people vote Republican is not simply an issue of income but primarily race and partly region and gender. Poor people may be more likely to vote Democrat; poor white people are not. In 2008 McCain won a slim majority (51%) of white Americans who earn less than $50,000 (this is just below the national median income which is not poor but the only figure available from exit polls that breaks down votes down by race and income), while Obama won a whopping majority of non-whites in the same category (86%)."
No figures for below $30k, but my point is that why are white voters usually split but minority voters seem to always vote Democrat regardless of their social beliefs or income?
I read another interesting article about how about a quarter of low income Union workers who identify as democrats (obviously) are backing Trump. I know it's a small sample size, but most of my extended family and working class immigrant community here in NY that I'm close to absolutely adores Trump. Even Albanians, despite what Bill Clinton did for them in Kosovo back in 1999.
Whites are able to change their minds. Why can't minorities do the same? That's my question. And I still have no idea what "anti-minority" or "pro-minority" issues are even supposed to mean. What issues exist that can possibly affect an entire race of people regardless of their social values, income, or education?
Could also be the Democrats doing their usually pandering. Republicans say they're anti-illegal immigration. Democrats spin that as anti-Hispanic. If you're anti-Hispanic then you're probably anti-Black as well.
Is that the mindset?
I wasn't suggesting that all poor white voters voted Republican. I suppose I should have phrased that better. I was specifically talking about the ones who vote Republican simply for the social issues and not the ones that you deem more important. Largely southern, largely Christian, and voting against their economic interests. They've been targeted as a group by Republicans, so they tend to vote as a group. That's exactly what originally happened with blacks. The Democrats were the Civil Rights party, and the Republicans were the party pushing for continued segregation. Then LBJ pushed for his Great Society, and as a disproportionately poor group, blacks obviously supported him in great numbers. I don't think it's fair to compare whites as a whole to any minority group as you did above. Whites as a whole aren't a voting bloc. If you look at groups like the one above or voting blocs in the past whose members are now considered white (the Irish, for example), you'll see the same results as blacks today.
Minority voters can and do change their minds. Again, we're talking about groups which use social services in numbers disproportionate to their white counterparts. They vote economically more than anything else. The median income for a black household is half that of whites, and 30% of blacks live below the poverty line compared to 10% of whites. I'm not sure why it would be surprising that they overwhelmingly vote Democrat when Democrats better address their needs. You just assume it must be a racial thing. In some ways it is, but that's heritage, a failure of the Republican party to atone for the mistakes it made during the Civil Rights era. The same thing happened with blacks and the Republican party between the Civil War and the Great Depression. The more pressing voting issues come down to economics. If you can manage to swing enough poor white voters in the south with social issues, you don't care so much about the issues that would swing black votes. You seek policies that disproportionately affect minorities. Fairly or not, that does come across as anti-minority to those voters.
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And stop with the immigration thing. Check the link I posted above. It's really not about that as much as you'd like to think. There are plenty of reasons why Hispanics don't support the Republican party.
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The working class white vote is actually split.
Here's an excerpt from a Guardian article from 2012:
"The question of why poor people vote Republican is not simply an issue of income but primarily race and partly region and gender. Poor people may be more likely to vote Democrat; poor white people are not. In 2008 McCain won a slim majority (51%) of white Americans who earn less than $50,000 (this is just below the national median income which is not poor but the only figure available from exit polls that breaks down votes down by race and income), while Obama won a whopping majority of non-whites in the same category (86%)."
No figures for below $30k, but my point is that why are white voters usually split but minority voters seem to always vote Democrat regardless of their social beliefs or income?
I read another interesting article about how about a quarter of low income Union workers who identify as democrats (obviously) are backing Trump. I know it's a small sample size, but most of my extended family and working class immigrant community here in NY that I'm close to absolutely adores Trump. Even Albanians, despite what Bill Clinton did for them in Kosovo back in 1999.
Whites are able to change their minds. Why can't minorities do the same? That's my question. And I still have no idea what "anti-minority" or "pro-minority" issues are even supposed to mean. What issues exist that can possibly affect an entire race of people regardless of their social values, income, or education?
Could also be the Democrats doing their usually pandering. Republicans say they're anti-illegal immigration. Democrats spin that as anti-Hispanic. If you're anti-Hispanic then you're probably anti-Black as well.
Is that the mindset?
So what exactly appeals poor voting blocks to Democrats anyway? They've been voting for them at the local level for decades and social mobility amongst minorities have barely budged. I think that's the message Trump is trying to use "You've been voting for these guys for years and they've done nothing for you. You don't need more handouts, you need jobs."
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This is great:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/28/trump-obama-and-i-agree-on-building-beautiful-walls/
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My buddy in LA went to the Trump rally in Cosa Mesa yesterday. Said that the Mexicans were in full on rage mode:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160429/dfc859a2e46b729daf65f32ecdc71e68.jpg)
That sign is funny. "Make AmeriKKKa Mexico again." What?
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That sign is funny until you realize those MeChA shitheads are dead serious about starting a race war here.
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That sign is funny until you realize those MeChA shitheads are dead serious about starting a race war here.
Just looked them up. Didn't even know that was a thing. I don't think they realize that they're actually helping Trump.
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That sign is funny until you realize those MeChA shitheads are dead serious about starting a race war here.
Viva la raza
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Just looked them up. Didn't even know that was a thing. I don't think they realize that they're actually helping Trump.
That protest last night helped no one except maybe Ted Cruz. Orange County is the center of the Republican party in Southern California. It's been getting more liberal, but it's still a bubble. Costa Mesa isn't wealthy, but it's still awfully close to home for a lot of Republicans who will worry about what a Trump presidency means for race relations.
MeChA is like a simmering pot that never quite boils over. Cruz Bustamante had his political career ended because of his affiliation with it. It may have cost him the Governor's job in the recall election that Schwarzenegger took, although the man who should have won the election finished 3rd, dooming us to excrement governing for another decade plus. McClintock would have ushered in a decade and a half of sound moderate Republican leadership that California has needed. Instead we got Schwarzenegger and freaking Jerry Brown.
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Mexicans are the Cambodians of Latin America
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(https://i.sli.mg/EnlGOX.jpg)
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http://www.barstoolsports.com/chicago/guy-pulls-the-too-slow-handshake-move-on-ted-cruz-and-i-think-thats-officially-curtains-for-his-campaign/
Fish Monster comment was a death blow
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Anyone else watch Larry Wilmore at the Correspondents' Dinner? He's getting excrement on by the liberal media, but I thought he was awesome. Liberal hypocrisy was the primary target, and he was savage.
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Cruz conceding. Trump, baby.
I called it. Everyone thought I was nuts.
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Trump vs Clinton, shitshow of the century.
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So with Cruz conceding is that it ?
Will the Republicans still be able to contest Trump at this point, or are they stuck with him now
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So with Cruz conceding is that it ?
Will the Republicans still be able to contest Trump at this point, or are they stuck with him now
It's done. Cruz wouldn't have dropped if he thought he had a chance at winning a contested convention
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Anyone else watch Larry Wilmore at the Correspondents' Dinner? He's getting excrement on by the liberal media, but I thought he was awesome. Liberal hypocrisy was the primary target, and he was savage.
Watched it earlier this evening. Probably the best work Larry Wilmore has ever done.
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Unless Trump hires Bruce Coslet for the rest of the race it's over.
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Just on an amusing followup
Apparently the new Harriet Tubman on the 20$ bill wont go into effect until the new 20s come out close to 2030...
So id say this is almost entirely a stupid PR move by the government for whatever purpose.
Hell I wouldnt be surprised if it changes long before then
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Just on an amusing followup
Apparently the new Harriet Tubman on the 20$ bill wont go into effect until the new 20s come out close to 2030...
So id say this is almost entirely a stupid PR move by the government for whatever purpose.
Hell I wouldnt be surprised if it changes long before then
You... you think the government will have something done BEFORE they said they'll get it done? When was the last time the government was ahead of schedule on anything?
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You... you think the government will have something done BEFORE they said they'll get it done? When was the last time the government was ahead of schedule on anything?
Wat
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Wat
You said you wouldn't be surprised if it changes before then, meaning the new $20 bill. Did you mean the face on the $20? Like they'd change their minds?
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You said you wouldn't be surprised if it changes before then, meaning the new $20 bill. Did you mean the face on the $20? Like they'd change their minds?
Yes, like something other than Harriet Tubman.
Its a shitty idea now, and itll be a shitty idea in 14 years.
Once this whole black lives matter thing blows over, and we (possibly?)have a woman president nobody is going to give a freak about putting her on a bill anymore.
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Dcmeh
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Kasich is out.
TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP
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Kasich is out.
TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP
MAGA
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Cruz conceding. Trump, baby.
I called it. Everyone thought I was nuts.
Pssst, Tommy, everyone still does.
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TrumpVHillary is going to be more divisive than BatmanVSuperman.
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TrumpVHillary is going to be more divisive than BatmanVSuperman.
I picked the wrong year to stop getting the Post delivered to my house.
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Pssst, Tommy, everyone still does.
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TrumpVHillary is going to be more divisive than BatmanVSuperman.
Some people will support Batman, some Superman, and most will just hate on the whole thing.
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Some people will support Batman, some Superman, and most will just hate on the whole thing.
Sign me up for watching the world burn
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Trump eats Taco bowl, takes photo, says he "he loves Hispanics" and the Clinton campaign says he's poking fun at Mexicans.
This is just the beginning.
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Trump eats Taco bowl, takes photo, says he "he loves Hispanics" and the Clinton campaign says he's poking fun at Mexicans.
This is just the beginning.
I thought you were kidding. I was wrong.
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Trump eats Taco bowl, takes photo, says he "he loves Hispanics" and the Clinton campaign says he's poking fun at Mexicans.
This is just the beginning.
It would probably be better if he were poking fun at them. A taco bowl (apparently the best ones are at the Trump Tower Grill, Chef de Cuisine being that well known Mexican Christopher Devine from White Plains NY) and "I love Hispanics"?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/728297587418247168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
The man is a walking, talking SNL sketch.
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I thought it was a great tweet. The man isn't poking fun at Hispanics. He's giving a big freak you to the people who thought he couldn't get the nomination with the attitude he took.
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Im fascinated to see who Trump picks as his VP. As much as of an ignoramus as he is, if he picked a true moderate or even left of center running mate it could be truly transformational for this country. There were rumors he could pick an independent or Democrat as his running mate which would be absolutely fantastic.
The Republican party would effectively have to reshape itself as they would be stuck with Trump for a while. And the left would have to move itself significantly more to the right in order to compete in 4 years.
Effectively Trump could help fix our two freaking idiotic stubborn political parties which have both been moving the wrong direction
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Im fascinated to see who Trump picks as his VP. As much as of an ignoramus as he is, if he picked a true moderate or even left of center running mate it could be truly transformational for this country. There were rumors he could pick an independent or Democrat as his running mate which would be absolutely fantastic.
The Republican party would effectively have to reshape itself as they would be stuck with Trump for a while. And the left would have to move itself significantly more to the right in order to compete in 4 years.
Effectively Trump could help fix our two freaking idiotic stubborn political parties which have both been moving the wrong direction
Probably Chris Christie. Or no one. He doesn't need one. VPs are for pussies.
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Probably Chris Christie. Or no one. He doesn't need one. VPs are for pussies.
Christie would be a horrible choice
He brings essentially nothing to the table politically (or intellectually), and picking a VP who puts his foot in his mouth almost as much as Trump is just stupid.
I hope when Trumps wrong when he said theres a solid chance one of his primary opponents could get the nod
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He's gonna get the conservative vote anyway, so why bring someone in who will turn independents off? Will be interesting for sure.
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He's gonna get the conservative vote anyway, so why bring someone in who will turn independents off? Will be interesting for sure.
Well you do want to energize the voters and get them to show up to the polls.
If your constituents dont like you/your running mate theyre just not gonna turn up to vote
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Well you do want to energize the voters and get them to show up to the polls.
If your constituents dont like you/your running mate theyre just not gonna turn up to vote
You don't think a Hillary presidency is enough to get establishment republicans to the polls?
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You don't think a Hillary presidency is enough to get establishment republicans to the polls?
No
Because after having Obama shoved down our throats for 8 years, and Sanders marched out there she doesnt look nearly so liberal anymore.
And Trump is already accused of being liberal (and a lifelong supporter of the Clintons) , so if theyre not fired up I could easily see a huge chunk of conservatives not voting.
Not to mention theres been some big money Republicans (I think Koch brothers?) saying Hillary wouldnt be so bad.
Honestly I could see anything happening with this election
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No
Because after having Obama shoved down our throats for 8 years, and Sanders marched out there she doesnt look nearly so liberal anymore.
And Trump is already accused of being liberal (and a lifelong supporter of the Clintons) , so if theyre not fired up I could easily see a huge chunk of conservatives not voting.
Really? In red states he won more votes than Bernie and Hillary combined. And that's with running against two others.
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Really? In red states he won more votes than Bernie and Hillary combined. And that's with running against two others.
So in red states he got more votes than two liberals combined ?
Im not sure what that proves
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So in red states he got more votes than two liberals combined ?
Im not sure what that proves
Presumably it proves that in Republican-leaning states there are more registered Republicans than Democrats.
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Presumably it proves that in Republican-leaning states there are more registered Republicans than Democrats.
They also had to like a Trump enough to turn out for a primary and vote for him over the other Republican candidates. Those votes aren't suddenly going to shift to Hillary.
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Well you do want to energize the voters and get them to show up to the polls.
If your constituents dont like you/your running mate theyre just not gonna turn up to vote
Because energizing the base worked so well with Palin and Ryan.
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I forgot who said it, but I agree that a weird part of me wants to see Trump win for the entertainment. From an entertainment standpoint, Hillary winning would be like watching The Notebook for the 12th time. Trump would be Idiocracy.
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I forgot who said it, but I agree that a weird part of me wants to see Trump win for the entertainment. From an entertainment standpoint, Hillary winning would be like watching The Notebook for the 12th time. Trump would be Idiocracy.
Badger and I were saying that a few days ago.
The same idiots who were ridiculing people who threatened to move to Canada if Obama won are saying basically the same thing now in the case of a Trump win.
It doesn't matter who wins this election. It's going to be a continued shitshow. Nothing will change until people learn that the real change happens when you turn over the officeholders on Capitol Hill.
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Badger and I were saying that a few days ago.
The same idiots who were ridiculing people who threatened to move to Canada if Obama won are saying basically the same thing now in the case of a Trump win.
It doesn't matter who wins this election. It's going to be a continued shitshow. Nothing will change until people learn that the real change happens when you turn over the officeholders on Capitol Hill.
The "moving to Canada" thing didn't start with Obama either. Plenty of people were saying that during Bush's reelection in 2004.
And, you're right, nothing will really change policy wise. But a Trump presidency will fracture both parties. We may even see a split. There really should be four parties.
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"Moving to Canada" for these people probably consists of booking a room at Embassy Suites at Niagara Falls on the Canada side for the weekend after the election and tweeting pictures of themselves near a Canadian flag.
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The "moving to Canada" thing didn't start with Obama either. Plenty of people were saying that during Bush's reelection in 2004.
And, you're right, nothing will really change policy wise. But a Trump presidency will fracture both parties. We may even see a split. There really should be four parties.
I don't know that four parties is the right thing either. I think 3 is the right number. You can have a strongly conservative, strongly liberal, and a solid middle ground. We lack the middle ground and that's why everything is an exercise in extremism.
With 4 parties you just have extreme liberal, moderate liberal, moderate conservative, extreme conservative, and the opposite sides just pair up and continue the same nonsense. Odd numbers break ties.
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I don't know that four parties is the right thing either. I think 3 is the right number. You can have a strongly conservative, strongly liberal, and a solid middle ground. We lack the middle ground and that's why everything is an exercise in extremism.
With 4 parties you just have extreme liberal, moderate liberal, moderate conservative, extreme conservative, and the opposite sides just pair up and continue the same nonsense. Odd numbers break ties.
That's a good point. Let the Socialists and Christian Right have their own parties.
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I don't know that four parties is the right thing either. I think 3 is the right number. You can have a strongly conservative, strongly liberal, and a solid middle ground. We lack the middle ground and that's why everything is an exercise in extremism.
With 4 parties you just have extreme liberal, moderate liberal, moderate conservative, extreme conservative, and the opposite sides just pair up and continue the same nonsense. Odd numbers break ties.
I think everyone would vote for the 2 moderate parties and the extremes would become fringe parties.
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The "moving to Canada" thing didn't start with Obama either. Plenty of people were saying that during Bush's reelection in 2004.
And, you're right, nothing will really change policy wise. But a Trump presidency will fracture both parties. We may even see a split. There really should be four parties.
Bush's reelection? Pffft. People were saying that in 2000.
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Bush's reelection? Pffft. People were saying that in 2000.
I don't really remember much negativity around Bush during that election.
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I don't really remember much negativity around Bush during that election.
I remember one of my teachers straight up saying she couldn't believe we elected such an idiot.
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I remember one of my teachers straight up saying she couldn't believe we elected such an idiot.
"He's such an idiot. A Yale MBA grad who governed one of the largest states in the country. I'm so smart teaching 5th grade in this school in Queens."
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Notice how no one ever says they're moving to Mexico?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!??!???!! #MakeAmericaGreatAgain
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Notice how no one ever says they're moving to Mexico?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!??!???!! #MakeAmericaGreatAgain
Mexico only really cares about its southern border with Guatemala. Kind of ironic how they're up in arms about Trump's comments, yet have no problem abusing migrants who try to enter Mexico from the South.
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"He's such an idiot. A Yale MBA grad who governed one of the largest states in the country. I'm so smart teaching 5th grade in this school in Queens."
8th grade, and you know he didn't get into Yale on his own merits.
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8th grade, and you know he didn't get into Yale on his own merits.
http://keithhennessey.com/2013/04/24/smarter/
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I think everyone would vote for the 2 moderate parties and the extremes would become fringe parties.
The problem is, you'd have those two moderate parties still aligning with their allies once it came time to do work. It would still be "us vs. them" and there still wouldn't be any tie breakers.
You need a viable third group to be the "voice of reason" that tells the right "No, you can't base law on a textbook written in the middle ages" and tells the left "No, not everyone gets a gold star for participation, $15 an hour for asking 'Would you like to upsize that?', and no debt forever."
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http://keithhennessey.com/2013/04/24/smarter/
Seen it. Can't get fooled again.
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8th grade, and you know he didn't get into Yale on his own merits.
Harvard MBA. Only President to get an MBA actually. Also, he got into Yale while his dad was a congressman from Texas. I'm sure it helped, but it's unfair to say that he only got into Yale and got his MBA because of his dad. The guy went to an expensive boarding school, so I'm sure he got a top-notch education.
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Harvard MBA. Only President to get an MBA actually. Also, he got into Yale while his dad was a congressman from Texas. I'm sure it helped, but it's unfair to say that he only got into Yale and got his MBA because of his dad. The guy went to an expensive boarding school, so I'm sure he got a top-notch education.
Buster Bluth also received top-notch education
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You all should be smart enough to know that the whole "lol Bush is dumb" stuff is bullshit. "But.. but... he made some speaking gaffes!"
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You all should be smart enough to know that the whole "lol Bush is dumb" stuff is bullshit. "But.. but... he made some speaking gaffes!"
He looks and sounds like an idiot. He also had incredibly manipulative and conniving men as his advisor and VP. It's easy for people to come to that conclusion, but the truth is that it's a lot easier to sell people on his actions when he has an aw shucks attitude than if he's seen as some evil genius. It was a well crafted demeanor. Better to take the attitude that he's an idiot who led us into these conflicts than the attitude that he knew exactly what he was doing. That's when more people poke fun than call for his head.
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I'm voting for Trump freak it
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They also had to like a Trump enough to turn out for a primary and vote for him over the other Republican candidates. Those votes aren't suddenly going to shift to Hillary.
Just saw Trump beat 16 people at their own game and he didn't even appear to know all the rules, while Hillary can't put away a communist on death's door.
So I know what the polls say right now but I just don't see it in actual results. Should be entertaining though.
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Harvard MBA. Only President to get an MBA actually. Also, he got into Yale while his dad was a congressman from Texas. I'm sure it helped, but it's unfair to say that he only got into Yale and got his MBA because of his dad. The guy went to an expensive boarding school, so I'm sure he got a top-notch education.
You're right, it's not fair to say his father was the only reason he got into Yale. He was also a legacy of his grandfather, the senator. And his great-great-grandfather.
As for the MBA, congrats on showing up and doing enough work after your name opened the door for you.
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YES.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/728309799667044352/photo/1
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YES.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/728309799667044352/photo/1
lol
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I'm voting for Trump freak it
Are we supposed to be surprised by this?
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Are we supposed to be surprised by this?
Idk, you tell me. Although I've been a lifelong Democrat so maybe.
I'm not a fan of Hillary at all.
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You all should be smart enough to know that the whole "lol Bush is dumb" stuff is bullshit. "But.. but... he made some speaking gaffes!"
You should still be pretty upset about those if you have hated the last 8 years of Obama. Tons of people jumped on his bandwagon because he sounded so much more intelligent than Bush.
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Idk, you tell me. Although I've been a lifelong Democrat so maybe.
I'm not a fan of Hillary at all.
Well, you tryhard on the politically incorrect posts so I figured Donald was right up your alley.
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Well, you tryhard on the politically incorrect posts so I figured Donald was right up your alley.
As racist as I may sound I don't mean it seriously. I'm very socially liberal. Except for Jews freak those guys
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As racist as I may sound I don't mean it seriously. I'm very socially liberal. Except for Jews freak those guys
Haha I know you don't mean it, that's why I said tryhard. It's obvious you don't really think that... Usually.
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I ate sushi today. I love Japs.
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I dont really like Trump but hes grown on me tremendously.
Mostly because I think his winning the nomination (and possibly the presidency) could make the republicans realize that theyve moved too far to the right, and all their ridiculous social views are hurting american politics
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One of my favorite SNL skits I just came across:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/276473
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Trump originally said his tax plan would incorporate a simple tax rate of 25% for tbe highest earners. Recently he said it could be higher and he's being accused of flop flopping or breaking his promises or whatever.
I'm curious can a politician ever change their stance and not get criticized for it? Personally I think its a good thing when a politician changes their stances (as long as they're not bullshiting saying I was never for that or something). Why can't a politician ever say you know what I was wrong and I learned from it. Or circumstances have changed ot it's a negotiation (which is what Trump is saying)
It seems to me that there's just so much bullshit in politics thst it's no freaking wonder that nothing ever gets done
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Why can't a politician ever say you know what I was wrong and I learned from it. Or circumstances have changed ot it's a negotiation (which is what Trump is saying)
Politicians can change their stance, the problem is when they are candidates, because people is voting based on their platforms.
People can't say "you know what? I was wrong and I learned from it", or "circumstances (your platform) have changed" and remove the elected candidate from office.
And also, that's why many people points out when a candidate's proposals are absurd, because people will vote based on that and -as it was known from the beginning- the elected candidate will have to change it once he "finds out" it wasn't possible, as everyone else told him from the start.
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Trump originally said his tax plan would incorporate a simple tax rate of 25% for tbe highest earners. Recently he said it could be higher and he's being accused of flop flopping or breaking his promises or whatever.
I'm curious can a politician ever change their stance and not get criticized for it? Personally I think its a good thing when a politician changes their stances (as long as they're not bullshiting saying I was never for that or something). Why can't a politician ever say you know what I was wrong and I learned from it. Or circumstances have changed ot it's a negotiation (which is what Trump is saying)
It seems to me that there's just so much bullshit in politics thst it's no freaking wonder that nothing ever gets done
Trump was just being realistic. He knows that his original plan wouldn't fly with the Dems, so he said he may have to make some concessions which will result in higher taxes (from his original proposal).
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Trump originally said his tax plan would incorporate a simple tax rate of 25% for tbe highest earners. Recently he said it could be higher and he's being accused of flop flopping or breaking his promises or whatever.
I'm curious can a politician ever change their stance and not get criticized for it? Personally I think its a good thing when a politician changes their stances (as long as they're not bullshiting saying I was never for that or something). Why can't a politician ever say you know what I was wrong and I learned from it. Or circumstances have changed ot it's a negotiation (which is what Trump is saying)
It seems to me that there's just so much bullshit in politics thst it's no freaking wonder that nothing ever gets done
George HW Bush and John Kerry both had their hopes ended by accusations of flip flopping. At least Bush got a first term. Hillary gets the worst of it now because she has the longest national political career to draw from going back to her days as First Lady. Politicians are just so afraid to address their shifting beliefs because they see how unforgiving and vengeful the American voters can be. Bernie Sanders has created quite the contrast, though, by holding the same beliefs he's held for decades.
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that's pretty good
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Not really. Videogames, movies and music are not even in the same conversation as political standpoints.
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Not really. Videogames, movies and music are not even in the same conversation as political standpoints.
You don't know enough Americans.
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You don't know enough Americans.
OK. Should not be.
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OK. Should not be.
Still
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Tommy, have you considered taking a sabbatical?
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/internship
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Just something I thought about
With several lingering Hillary scandals like http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/11/top-clinton-aide-mills-reportedly-walks-out-fbi-interview-about-emails.html?intcmp=hpbt1 or Benghazi or whatever else the freak out there. If one of them actually blows up into a HUGE deal (ie investigators find a smoking gun) and it completely sinks her.
What the hell would happen if Bernie Sanders actually got elected president ?
I don't nor any sane person who isnt a dumbass hippie 20 year old, actually ever considered the realistic plausible possibility of Bernie ever actually getting elected because it was always so unrealistic. But if something were to happen to basically TKO Hillary, and with Trump being a total wildcard this guy theoretically actually become president.
I cant imagine congress or the senate giving him support on essentially any of his ideas, not to mention lobbyist would stone wall everything.
Would anything even change that much with a Sanders presidency ?
(I know some people think the same way about a Trump presidency being "radical" but I honestly think hes more of a status quo moderate, who just talks like a jackass and says incredibly insensitive stupid things with poor demeanor, if anything his most radical views are just immigration/"muslim issues" otherwise hes really not that different from anybody else )
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Just something I thought about
With several lingering Hillary scandals like http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/11/top-clinton-aide-mills-reportedly-walks-out-fbi-interview-about-emails.html?intcmp=hpbt1 or Benghazi or whatever else the freak out there. If one of them actually blows up into a HUGE deal (ie investigators find a smoking gun) and it completely sinks her.
What the hell would happen if Bernie Sanders actually got elected president ?
I don't nor any sane person who isnt a dumbass hippie 20 year old, actually ever considered the realistic plausible possibility of Bernie ever actually getting elected because it was always so unrealistic. But if something were to happen to basically TKO Hillary, and with Trump being a total wildcard this guy theoretically actually become president.
I cant imagine congress or the senate giving him support on essentially any of his ideas, not to mention lobbyist would stone wall everything.
Would anything even change that much with a Sanders presidency ?
(I know some people think the same way about a Trump presidency being "radical" but I honestly think hes more of a status quo moderate, who just talks like a jackass and says incredibly insensitive stupid things with poor demeanor, if anything his most radical views are just immigration/"muslim issues" otherwise hes really not that different from anybody else )
Yes.
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Just something I thought about
With several lingering Hillary scandals like http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/11/top-clinton-aide-mills-reportedly-walks-out-fbi-interview-about-emails.html?intcmp=hpbt1 or Benghazi or whatever else the freak out there. If one of them actually blows up into a HUGE deal (ie investigators find a smoking gun) and it completely sinks her.
What the hell would happen if Bernie Sanders actually got elected president ?
I don't nor any sane person who isnt a dumbass hippie 20 year old, actually ever considered the realistic plausible possibility of Bernie ever actually getting elected because it was always so unrealistic. But if something were to happen to basically TKO Hillary, and with Trump being a total wildcard this guy theoretically actually become president.
I cant imagine congress or the senate giving him support on essentially any of his ideas, not to mention lobbyist would stone wall everything.
Would anything even change that much with a Sanders presidency ?
(I know some people think the same way about a Trump presidency being "radical" but I honestly think hes more of a status quo moderate, who just talks like a jackass and says incredibly insensitive stupid things with poor demeanor, if anything his most radical views are just immigration/"muslim issues" otherwise hes really not that different from anybody else )
No.
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Just something I thought about
With several lingering Hillary scandals like http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/11/top-clinton-aide-mills-reportedly-walks-out-fbi-interview-about-emails.html?intcmp=hpbt1 or Benghazi or whatever else the freak out there. If one of them actually blows up into a HUGE deal (ie investigators find a smoking gun) and it completely sinks her.
What the hell would happen if Bernie Sanders actually got elected president ?
I don't nor any sane person who isnt a dumbass hippie 20 year old, actually ever considered the realistic plausible possibility of Bernie ever actually getting elected because it was always so unrealistic. But if something were to happen to basically TKO Hillary, and with Trump being a total wildcard this guy theoretically actually become president.
I cant imagine congress or the senate giving him support on essentially any of his ideas, not to mention lobbyist would stone wall everything.
Would anything even change that much with a Sanders presidency ?
(I know some people think the same way about a Trump presidency being "radical" but I honestly think hes more of a status quo moderate, who just talks like a jackass and says incredibly insensitive stupid things with poor demeanor, if anything his most radical views are just immigration/"muslim issues" otherwise hes really not that different from anybody else )
Maybe so
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It won't surprise me in the slightest if Clinton gets indicted and is yanked from the general. It's an ideal situation, Sanders v Trump. Neither one will likely accomplish much as far as the more radical ideas are concerned, but I think you'll see a reshaping of party platforms if those are the candidates.
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The first one is kind of a head scratcher. You're a 26 year old model at a pool party for Donald Trump and you were offended because he paraded you around in a bikini? You had to know that's why he invited you. It's not like it's some surprisingly unwelcome advance.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share
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The first one is kind of a head scratcher. You're a 26 year old model at a pool party for Donald Trump and you were offended because he paraded you around in a bikini? You had to know that's why he invited you. It's not like it's some surprisingly unwelcome advance.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share
TIL that calling beautiful women in bikinis "stunning" is sexist.
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TIL that calling beautiful women in bikinis "stunning" is sexist.
"Hey bikini person! Nice gender-neutral child calorie providers! Shake your fecal eliminator!"
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"Hey bikini person! Nice gender-neutral child calorie providers!"
Funny thing is that if Hillary tries to bring any of this up, Trump will just throw Bill Clinton's excrement in her face.
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Funny thing is that if Hillary tries to bring any of this up, Trump will just throw Bill Clinton's excrement in her face.
Fairly sure that Hilary has the moral high ground on the whole "getting a hummer in the Oval Office" thing.
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Fairly sure that Hilary has the moral high ground on the whole "getting a hummer in the Oval Office" thing.
Not true, she used to get hummers in the White House constantly during Bill's presidency (from chicks)
True story.
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Fairly sure that Hilary has the moral high ground on the whole "getting a hummer in the Oval Office" thing.
I dunno. She's on record blasting his accusers calling them "whores" etc, and she parades Bill around like a trophy.
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That woman was absurdly hot. She did not age well.
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That woman was absurdly hot. She did not age well.
Who? Monica?
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Who? Monica?
The article above bout the bikini I'm sure
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The article above bout the bikini I'm sure
right.
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Fairly sure that Hilary has the moral high ground on the whole "getting a hummer in the Oval Office" thing.
She blamed the woman even though they both said it was consensual and her husband was in a position of power. There was slut shaming coming from Hillary.
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TIL that calling beautiful women in bikinis "stunning" is sexist.
And not just any women, women who made a living off their looks.
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The first one is kind of a head scratcher. You're a 26 year old model at a pool party for Donald Trump and you were offended because he paraded you around in a bikini? You had to know that's why he invited you. It's not like it's some surprisingly unwelcome advance.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share
That was an interesting read.
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And not just any women, women who made a living off their looks.
The media is rolling with this "Trump is a misogynist" thing, but are kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for examples.
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The media is rolling with this "Trump is a misogynist" thing, but are kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for examples.
There have been plenty of examples. That's the funny thing. Something like this was a terrible choice to lead an article with, but he's been more careful recently so fresh material isn't forthcoming.
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There have been plenty of examples. That's the funny thing. Something like this was a terrible choice to lead an article with, but he's been more careful recently so fresh material isn't forthcoming.
He almost certainly realized his negatives with women are sky high and all that excrement with Meghan Kelly and Rosie O Donnel could be his undoing
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He almost certainly realized his negatives with women are sky high and all that excrement with Meghan Kelly and Rosie O Donnel could be his undoing
Haha his spat with that retard Rosie will not be his undoing.
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Haha his spat with that retard Rosie will not be his undoing.
I'm pretty sure women don't like presidential candidates who call fat women cows or whatever.
And it makes the whole Meghan Kelly thing look worse since now he's got a track record of doing it
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I'm pretty sure women don't like presidential candidates who call fat women cows or whatever.
And it makes the whole Meghan Kelly thing look worse since now he's got a track record of doing it
Equal opportunity. He insults both men and women equally. He didn't insult them for being women, he insulted them for their views and character.
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Equal opportunity. He insults both men and women equally. He didn't insult them for being women, he insulted them for their views and character.
Pretty sure calling a woman a cow has nothing to do with her views or character. Nor referencing blood coming out of her you know what or whatever he said.
Call it whatever you want, but thats not doing him any favors
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On a side note I have no idea how much truth there is to this, but I read that Newt Gingrich could be the front runner for Trumps VP ?
I think that would actually be an absolutely fantastic choice, although he doesnt get any of the fancy affirmative action demographic bonus points that a woman or hispanic would bring to the table.
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This guy really is entertaining
In an interview with The New York Times' columnist Maureen Dowd, Trump responded "You mean Pocahontas?" when he was asked about his disputes on Twitter with Sen. Warren, D-Mass.
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Silly youngsters feeling the Bern
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/nevada-sanders-clinton-223243
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Silly youngsters feeling the Bern
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/nevada-sanders-clinton-223243
In the end, the vast majority of the party will let her get away with it and she'll probably still get elected. The Clinton campaign is banking on apathy, and it's generally a safe bet.
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Who has the more punchable name, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz or Reince Preibus?
Face wise it's a no brainer. Reince's face is beyond punchable. It's more of an anvil drop onto the face.
But DW-S' name equally rings of absolute toolbag.
5 1/2 more months of theater!
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Name hyphenation annoys me. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It just does. I think when people get married they should both be forced to pick a new last name with no hyphen. It can be a combination of the two or something badass like Blaze. Whatever you want. Just pick one name.
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Name hyphenation annoys me. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It just does. I think when people get married they should be forced to pick a new last name with no hyphen. It can be a combination of the two or something badass like Blaze. Whatever you want. Just pick one name.
Anytime I come across an email with a lady's hyphenated last name odds are astronomical that she's a queynte
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Anytime I come across an email with a lady's hyphenated last name odds are astronomical that she's a queynte
Haha.
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Reince Priebus looks like RichMiano with hair.
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Anytime I come across an email with a lady's hyphenated last name odds are astronomical that she's a queynte
I knew a kid in school who's last name was hyphenated. Barnes-Miranda I think. His mom apparently insisted that the children take both names.
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I knew a kid in school who's last name was hyphenated. Barnes-Miranda I think. His mom apparently insisted that the children take both names.
What the freak are they supposed to do when they make babbies with a chick with a hyphenated name?
This is my kid John Barnes-Miranda-Smith-Hidalgo.
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Anytime I come across an email with a lady's hyphenated last name odds are astronomical that she's a queynte
Yes.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/17/nevada-democratic-party-accuses-bernie-sanders-campaign-of-inciting-violence/
The Nevada Democratic Party filed a formal complaint Monday against the campaign of Bernie Sanders after Saturday's state convention devolved into chaos. In the letter to the national party, it went so far as to accuse the Sanders campaign of fomenting violence.
We write to alert you to what we perceive as the Sander [sic] Campaign’s penchant for extra-parliamentary behavior — indeed, actual violence — in place of democratic conduct in a convention setting, and furthermore what we can only describe as their encouragement of, and complicity in, a very dangerous atmosphere that ended in chaos and physical threats to fellow Democrats.
he most egregious instance of the Sanders campaign inciting disruption — and yes, violence — came as the state convention’s Credentials Committee completed its work. Adam Gillette, part of National Delegate Operations Team for the official Sanders campaign, drafted and arranged for a member of that committee to attempt to deliver an incendiary, inaccurate and wholly unauthorized “minority report” charging that the Credentials Committee had fraudulently denied 64 Sanders delegates their eligibility.
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Just saw this on CNN. Hilarious.
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Anytime I come across an email with a lady's hyphenated last name odds are astronomical that she's a queynte
PRETTY MUCH YEAH
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I knew a kid in school who's last name was hyphenated. Barnes-Miranda I think. His mom apparently insisted that the children take both names.
I was once banging this girl who said her kids would take both names.
Ran away with my pants around my ankles. Didn't trip.
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I was once banging this girl who said her kids would take both names.
Ran away with my pants around my ankles. Didn't trip.
Hope you pulled out. Otherwise, Mick-queynte babbie.
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I was once banging this girl who said her kids would take both names.
Ran away with my pants around my ankles. Didn't trip.
You could've still banged her.
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If she was distracted enough to talk about what she wanted to name her kids, the sex wasn't going well to begin with anyway.
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You could've still banged her.
You sound like you have some experience. I would have thought the women you have sex with keep their mouths shut and just think about all the stuff they'd rather be doing. You're not paying them to talk.
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Found my presidential candidate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZOmKhE46dY
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Found my presidential candidate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZOmKhE46dY
I have no idea wtf is going on in that video.
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I have no idea wtf is going on in that video.
They wanted to make a law not allowing people under the age of 21 (18-20) to be strippers.
He wanted to add an amendment that would not allow people over the age of 28 or over 160 pounds to be strippers. And said it was because he worried about their health
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They wanted to make a law not allowing people under the age of 21 (18-20) to be strippers.
He wanted to add an amendment that would not allow people over the age of 28 or over 160 pounds to be strippers. And said it was because he worried about their health
K
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They wanted to make a law not allowing people under the age of 21 (18-20) to be strippers.
He wanted to add an amendment that would not allow people over the age of 28 or over 160 pounds to be strippers. And said it was because he worried about their health
You are a rational, knowledgeable voter for sure.
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http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/05/jets_owner_woody_johnson_backs_donald_trump_per_re.html
"Woody's a great guy," Trump told the Times after that meeting. "Woody will support me. He's a terrific guy, he's been a friend of mine a long time."
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http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/05/jets_owner_woody_johnson_backs_donald_trump_per_re.html
Even after Trump said all that nice stuff about the Pats
And his public love affair with Tom Brady
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Even after Trump said all that nice stuff about the Pats
And his public love affair with Tom Brady
$$$ babbie
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Clinton’s website has explained that by “comprehensive immigration reform,” Clinton means full citizenship for illegal immigrants, which would give them welfare access, voting privileges, and the ability to bring over their family members through chain migration.
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Full amnesty for the illegal immigrant population will cost U.S. taxpayers $6.3 trillion, according to a report from the Heritage Foundation.
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Clinton has repeatedly said that she supports giving Obamacare to illegal immigrants. Clinton’s website says that Clinton wants to “Expand access to affordable health care to all families… She believes we should let families—regardless of immigration status—buy into the Affordable Care Act exchanges.”
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Let me guess, Breitbart? It's probably an extreme interpretation.
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Let me guess, Breitbart? It's probably an extreme interpretation.
Shhhhh just let dcm read it
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Let me guess, Breitbart? It's probably an extreme interpretation.
I really hate that about election season. Tons of rhetoric being thrown around. It's no different than calling Trump racist and anti-immigrant just because he's anti ILLEGAL immigration.
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Damn illegal Mexicans! (Except in crop season- then I love Mexicans)
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I mean, I would rather we take their money than spend our own deporting them or building wall or covering their unpaid ER visits with our own insurance premiums.
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I really hate that about election season. Tons of rhetoric being thrown around. It's no different than calling Trump racist and anti-immigrant just because he's anti ILLEGAL immigration.
I don't think people call him racist just because he's anti illegal immigration. Either way, though, most of the hatred comes from his followers. He just tacitly supports them and fuels their hate.
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So is this Bernie Trump debate really happening? That would be great.
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I don't think people call him racist just because he's anti illegal immigration. Either way, though, most of the hatred comes from his followers. He just tacitly supports them and fuels their hate.
No, it's not. I've asked people why they think he's a racist and every single one starts off with "well he said Mexicans are rapists". That comment pretty much sealed it for most ignorant voters on that side.
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I really hate that about election season. Tons of rhetoric being thrown around. It's no different than calling Trump racist and anti-immigrant just because he's anti ILLEGAL immigration.
Which begs the question. I know there's protein in cum, but if you drink your own cum does it still count towards your daily protein goal, or does it have to be someone else's?
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^Hahaha
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No, it's not. I've asked people why they think he's a racist and every single one starts off with "well he said Mexicans are rapists". That comment pretty much sealed it for most ignorant voters on that side.
There is a net drain of Mexican immigrants right now in this country, which is completely counter to common sense and my own experience, but the numbers don't lie. More Mexican immigrants are leaving this country than entering. There is still, however, a 50,000 person per year legal migration from Mexico to the US. His statement was that Mexico is sending criminals and rapists and, he ASSUMES, some good people too. Again, given that Mexico is one side of the approval process for legal migration from that country, saying that he knows Mexico is sending rapists and criminals through legal channels. Stating that he knows better than ICE what kind of people are coming in here is at best disingenuous and at worst absolutely borne of bigotry. There are over 1 million people waiting to get in here from Mexico. If the ones who get approved by the US and Mexico are rapists and criminals, he's casting aspersions on that entire race, not just illegal immigrants.
Personally, I don't give a excrement about that statement any more. It was a year ago and, as I said, his followers have been far, far worse than he has. It's not even comparable. I'm more bothered (and simultaneously impressed if I'm being honest) by the way he supports and fosters that environment while avoiding direct statements himself. It's unfair to compare him to someone like Barry Goldwater on the content of his speeches, but the environment he creates? Totally analogous.
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There is a net drain of Mexican immigrants right now in this country, which is completely counter to common sense and my own experience, but the numbers don't lie. More Mexican immigrants are leaving this country than entering. There is still, however, a 50,000 person per year legal migration from Mexico to the US. His statement was that Mexico is sending criminals and rapists and, he ASSUMES, some good people too. Again, given that Mexico is one side of the approval process for legal migration from that country, saying that he knows Mexico is sending rapists and criminals through legal channels. Stating that he knows better than ICE what kind of people are coming in here is at best disingenuous and at worst absolutely borne of bigotry. There are over 1 million people waiting to get in here from Mexico. If the ones who get approved by the US and Mexico are rapists and criminals, he's casting aspersions on that entire race, not just illegal immigrants.
Personally, I don't give a excrement about that statement any more. It was a year ago and, as I said, his followers have been far, far worse than he has. It's not even comparable. I'm more bothered (and simultaneously impressed if I'm being honest) by the way he supports and fosters that environment while avoiding direct statements himself. It's unfair to compare him to someone like Barry Goldwater on the content of his speeches, but the environment he creates? Totally analogous.
Mexico doesn't give a excrement about their northern border. If a criminal wants to escape Mexican authorities and be the U.S's problem they'll happily let them go. They're much more concerned with their southern border, which is heavily guarded. So it's funny how Mexico can criticize us for wanting to better protect our southern border when they're doing the exact same thing on their southern border.
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Mexico doesn't give a excrement about their northern border. If a criminal wants to escape Mexican authorities and be the U.S's problem they'll happily let them go. They're much more concerned with their southern border, which is heavily guarded. So it's funny how Mexico can criticize us for wanting to better protect our southern border when they're doing the exact same thing on their southern border.
That has nothing to do with what I said.
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That has nothing to do with what I said.
I realized that once I was done writing but said freak it and posted it anyway.
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That has nothing to do with what I said.
But anyway, it ties into what he meant by that statement. Illegal immigrants, by their very nature of being here illegally, are already criminals. Regardless if whether the number of illegals who cross the border (I'm not even sure how they accurately come up with those numbers anyway), there's a reason we have proper channels towards legal immigration: to protect our labor market. If you have millions flooding and diluting the labor market, that drives wages down. Increasing the minimum wage is just a bandaid and would actually further incentivize illegals of all races to either hop through Mexico or overstay their visas.
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But anyway, it ties into what he meant by that statement. Illegal immigrants, by their very nature of being here illegally, are already criminals. Regardless if whether the number of illegals who cross the border (I'm not even sure how they accurately come up with those numbers anyway), there's a reason we have proper channels towards legal immigration: to protect our labor market. If you have millions flooding and diluting the labor market, that drives wages down. Increasing the minimum wage is just a bandaid and would actually further incentivize illegals of all races to either hop through Mexico or overstay their visas.
This sounds like regurgitated Ann Coulter.
Also, very hypocritical because complete globalization of the economy has cost us real jobs whereas mexicans are doing cheap, excrement labor and taking care of people's kids domestically.
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This sounds like regurgitated Ann Coulter.
Also, very hypocritical because complete globalization of the economy has cost us real jobs whereas mexicans are doing cheap, excrement labor and taking care of people's kids domestically.
It's simple economics that people like to overlook because the majority of illegals are minorities. Other countries, like Japan for instance, control their immigration because they want to take care of their people first. Sure, they have a labor shortage, so now they have programs where low-skilled workers from Southeast Asia can come into the country on yearly contracts and do the excrement jobs that no one wants to do. That's how they ensure full employment and a low income inequality. Of course that's not analogous being that they're an island nation and foreigners stick out like sore thumbs, but still. The economics of it proves my point.
Yeah, free trade agreements have moved low-skilled manufacturing jobs overseas, but most modern economies shift from manufacturing towards service based anyway. The problem we have is that our unskilled labor pool keeps growing. We have our own American unskilled workers, plus all the illegals running around. Programs like Welfare only make the problem worse by not incentivizing our unskilled workers to get those jobs, which then ultimately go to illegals.
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But anyway, it ties into what he meant by that statement. Illegal immigrants, by their very nature of being here illegally, are already criminals. Regardless if whether the number of illegals who cross the border (I'm not even sure how they accurately come up with those numbers anyway), there's a reason we have proper channels towards legal immigration: to protect our labor market. If you have millions flooding and diluting the labor market, that drives wages down. Increasing the minimum wage is just a bandaid and would actually further incentivize illegals of all races to either hop through Mexico or overstay their visas.
Maybe I just think Trump is more intelligent than you do, but I don't take what he says as some misstep with another meaning. He says what he means to say and he knows how it will be received by his audience. Here, in Trump speak, is what you said:
"Mexico's not stopping people from coming here illegally. They're just not. So why shouldn't we? We have people coming here legally. Good people who wait their turn so we know they don't hurt our labor market. We have checks for them. We know who they are. But these people who come illegally, they don't wanna wait their turn, and they're criminals just by coming here illegally. We don't know what they are beyond that. They could be rapists, murderers, we just don't know. But we do know they broke the law coming here illegally."
Here is what he actually said:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
No mention of legal vs illegal immigration. An offhand afterthought that there may be good people (he assumes. He doesn't know, which implies he DOES know that they're rapists and drug lords and criminals, but he doesn't know for sure that any of them are good people). Blame for Mexico for ALL the people coming. Mexico isn't just sending legal ones. It's sending them all.
That is not accidental. He says what he says for a reason. It's much easier to get people swept up in his campaign and ready to build that wall when he creates this us vs them rhetoric. Hard lines sell. Fear sells. Nuance doesn't sell. I don't know what he believes as far as race is concerned, but I absolutely know what product he's selling, and you can't criticize people for judging him on that.
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Maybe I just think Trump is more intelligent than you do, but I don't take what he says as some misstep with another meaning. He says what he means to say and he knows how it will be received by his audience. Here, in Trump speak, is what you said:
"Mexico's not stopping people from coming here illegally. They're just not. So why shouldn't we? We have people coming here legally. Good people who wait their turn so we know they don't hurt our labor market. We have checks for them. We know who they are. But these people who come illegally, they don't wanna wait their turn, and they're criminals just by coming here illegally. We don't know what they are beyond that. They could be rapists, murderers, we just don't know. But we do know they broke the law coming here illegally."
Here is what he actually said:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
No mention of legal vs illegal immigration. An offhand afterthought that there may be good people (he assumes. He doesn't know, which implies he DOES know that they're rapists and drug lords and criminals, but he doesn't know for sure that any of them are good people). Blame for Mexico for ALL the people coming. Mexico isn't just sending legal ones. It's sending them all.
That is not accidental. He says what he says for a reason. It's much easier to get people swept up in his campaign and ready to build that wall when he creates this us vs them rhetoric. Hard lines sell. Fear sells. Nuance doesn't sell. I don't know what he believes as far as race is concerned, but I absolutely know what product he's selling, and you can't criticize people for judging him on that.
Fair enough. I don't wholly disagree, I just think that at the end of the day he's way more pragmatic than people think when it comes to policy.
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What Trump really should have said is lets stop illegals from coming in so we can let more Indians and Asians into the country.
Boom illegal immigration, drug epidemic, and healthcare crisis all solved in one shot.
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What Trump really should have said is lets stop illegals from coming in so we can let more Indians and Asians into the country.
Boom illegal immigration, drug epidemic, and healthcare crisis all solved in one shot.
If we flood the market with young Asian and Indian doctors will the cost of healthcare go down due to competition or up because of the massive sums of med school debt these doctors will need to pay off?
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If we flood the market with young Asian and Indian doctors will the cost of healthcare go down due to competition or up because of the massive sums of med school debt these doctors will need to pay off?
Well they'll all get scholarships because of well, stuff.
Not to mention it would still flood the market increasing supply which would inevitably reduce cost. Plus insurance companies wont just pay them more because of their student loans.
On a much more interesting side note Trump has agreed to debate Bernie Sanders because Hillary refuses to.
This is kind of fascinating honestly, both claim its for charity but theyre both really doing it to kneecap Hillary. Im sure theyll attack each other plenty as its a debate, but will both use it as a platform to attack Hillary the entire time.
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On a much more interesting side note Trump has agreed to debate Bernie Sanders because Hillary refuses to.
This is kind of fascinating honestly, both claim its for charity but theyre both really doing it to kneecap Hillary. Im sure theyll attack each other plenty as its a debate, but will both use it as a platform to attack Hillary the entire time.
Anddd its gone
Presumably Trump's supporters told him it would do more harm than good.
I guess his choices would have been to win the debate (and make Clinton's opponent Sanders look bad) or lose the debate and make himself look bad.
Could have been interesting if they both took stances of "Well Bernie Sanders opinion is wrong, but Hillary Clinton's is even worse"
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Anddd its gone
Presumably Trump's supporters told him it would do more harm than good.
I guess his choices would have been to win the debate (and make Clinton's opponent Sanders look bad) or lose the debate and make himself look bad.
Could have been interesting if they both took stances of "Well Bernie Sanders opinion is wrong, but Hillary Clinton's is even worse"
You rush to judgements. They're still negotiating. It'll happen.
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You rush to judgements. They're still negotiating. It'll happen.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-debating-bernie-sanders
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Dear god. It's playground politics. Come on America, you've got guns and you've got form. Someone off this dickhead already.
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Dear god. It's playground politics. Come on America, you've got guns and you've got form. Someone off this dickhead already.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Hcp2JpQM0DQ/V0jp5e-zT8I/AAAAAAAAJGs/9I-X9MfaiHsM3a2x7sOJ-qydTEUUb55XACL0B/w384-h288-no/2016-05-27.gif)
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Dear god. It's playground politics. Come on America, you've got guns and you've got form. Someone off this dickhead already.
Racist!!
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A vote for Trump is a vote for Communist dictatorships.
http://boingboing.net/2016/05/31/north-korea-praiuses-donald-tr.html
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A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for Hillary Clinton:
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150815164607-hillary-clinton-iowa-state-fair-super-169.jpg)
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(http://cdn.barstoolsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/31/cnn-trump-gorilla.jpg?78a96d)
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Loved this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g__NPFmz1Z0
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Hillary Clinton says while sexism on the campaign trail is not as severe as it was in 2008 when she first ran for president, it still lingers — even in her encounters with would-be supporters.
In a New York magazine cover profile published this week, Clinton said she encounters people on rope lines who tell her, “I really admire you, I really like you, I just don’t know if I can vote for a woman to be president.”
/r/thathappened
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/r/thathappened
And she's totally not been playing the woman card.
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And she's totally not been playing the woman card.
Stop with your P.C. bullshit and call it the proper name. hoo-ha pass.
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Stop with your P.C. bullshit and call it the proper name. hoo-ha pass.
Hahahaha
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I believe that there are people who like and respect her. I believe that there are people who can't bring themselves to vote for a woman as President. I don't believe that there are any people in whom all of those sentiments are present.
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When I was in high school I used to say I honestly thought this country would vote for a white woman before a black man to be President. Hillary and Obama showed me just how wrong I was.
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/r/thathappened
And she's totally not been playing the woman card.
Stop with your P.C. bullshit and call it the proper name. hoo-ha pass.
She should drop her pants, remove the strap on and show everyone her snatch on the campaign trail to remind us all she has a vag.
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(https://i.imgur.com/BdjoXsl.gif)
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She's going to get beat so bad, if she even gets the nomination.
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She's going to get beat so bad, if she even gets the nomination.
I'm waiting for the superdelagates to realize she'll get beat by 100 electoral votes and give the socialist their vote.
Trump v Sanders debates will be the best reality TV ever made.
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I think Trump weaseled his way out of that debate
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I think Trump weaseled his way out of that debate
That's why he attached conditions to it. He can always say that those conditions weren't met, so he decided not to do it.
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I just think its fascinating that Trump is getting far more excrement for not debating Bernie Sanders than Hillary. Despite the fact that Hillary was the one who is actually SUPPOSED to debate him.
Although Trump just put is foot in his mouth, so it really is predominately his fault.
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I just think its fascinating that Trump is getting far more excrement for not debating Bernie Sanders than Hillary. Despite the fact that Hillary was the one who is actually SUPPOSED to debate him.
Although Trump just put is foot in his mouth, so it really is predominately his fault.
Doesn't really hurt him though. Not like Hillary can attack him on that.
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I just think its fascinating that Trump is getting far more excrement for not debating Bernie Sanders than Hillary. Despite the fact that Hillary was the one who is actually SUPPOSED to debate him.
Although Trump just put is foot in his mouth, so it really is predominately his fault.
I don't get why anyone is criticizing Trump for the debate issue for any reason other than disliking him and wanting another reason to excrement on him.
He shouldn't have offered to begin with, but he acts first and thinks later as a general rule.
The sad thing about Hillary is that I think people have begun reconciling themselves to the fact that she is dirty and are becoming accepting of that like it's an ok thing to be.
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I don't get why anyone is criticizing Trump for the debate issue for any reason other than disliking him and wanting another reason to excrement on him.
He shouldn't have offered to begin with, but he acts first and thinks later as a general rule.
The sad thing about Hillary is that I think people have begun reconciling themselves to the fact that she is dirty and are becoming accepting of that like it's an ok thing to be.
I think part of why people are accepting it is what are the options.
You literally have three terrible choices.
One is ultra corrupt, one acts like a stubborn lay person just saying bizarre stupid excrement without thinking, and the last is a loonie toon. I can easily see why being corrupt is the least evil of the 3
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I think part of why people are accepting it is what are the options.
You literally have three terrible choices.
One is ultra corrupt, one acts like a stubborn lay person just saying bizarre stupid excrement without thinking, and the last is a loonie toon. I can easily see why being corrupt is the least evil of the 3
Being corrupt is literally the most evil of the three things you described.
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Being corrupt is literally the most evil of the three things you described.
But would it make her the worst president ?
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But would it make her the worst president ?
She's the only one who will be allowed to do much of anything in office, but I'm not sure that's a good thing.
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When faced with "Turd Sandwich vs. Giant Douche" choice, is it really wrong to not vote at all?
If you dislike them both equally and would groan at the thought of checking the box next to either, is it a better choice to not support either? I don't know if there will be a third party candidate on my ballot, but that person will get strong consideration unless it's Hitler or something.
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Whether she is or not, and to whatever degree, choosing the corrupt candidate is the far safer option in this election.
Obviously neither option is ideal, but I'll take corrupt over the dangerous combination of world's thinnest skin and act-first-think-later.
Now, I'm not stating whether I think she is or isn't, but Hillary is likely capable of lining her pockets and supporting her interests while also not steering the country into the gutter or nuking somebody that sends a mean tweet. As a corrupt moderate, policy would likely not radically change in her term, nor would the country's overall success and well-being trend significantly better or worse than the current path.
Given the choices put in front of me, I can happily live with that. I'll worry about upping my expectations in '20 or '24.
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When faced with "Turd Sandwich vs. Giant Douche" choice, is it really wrong to not vote at all?
If you dislike them both equally and would groan at the thought of checking the box next to either, is it a better choice to not support either? I don't know if there will be a third party candidate on my ballot, but that person will get strong consideration unless it's Hitler or something.
If you don't support a major candidate, don't vote for a major candidate. It's that simple, but most people are chicken excrement little morons who don't realize that their votes actually carry more weight in most states if they're cast for a third party member.
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Whether she is or not, and to whatever degree, choosing the corrupt candidate is the far safer option in this election.
Obviously neither option is ideal, but I'll take corrupt over the dangerous combination of world's thinnest skin and act-first-think-later.
Now, I'm not stating whether I think she is or isn't, but Hillary is likely capable of lining her pockets and supporting her interests while also not steering the country into the gutter or nuking somebody that sends a mean tweet. As a corrupt moderate, policy would likely not radically change in her term, nor would the country's overall success and well-being trend significantly better or worse than the current path.
Given the choices put in front of me, I can happily live with that. I'll worry about upping my expectations in '20 or '24.
Welcome to America, where the average voter always crosses fingers and hopes real hard that the parties will change in 4 years if he just keeps giving them his votes.
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If you don't support a major candidate, don't vote for a major candidate. It's that simple, but most people are chicken excrement little morons who don't realize that their votes actually carry more weight in most states if they're cast for a third party member.
I'll probably end up voting for a 3rd party candidate, but it can be argued realistically that it would be more of a vote for future elections, not this one. There is little chance a 3rd party candidate will stand a chance this year because the 2 party system is so ingrained in our culture. But, hopefully a vote for a 3rd party this election leads to increased exposure and votes in future elections. But for this election, my vote would be more symbolic that anything. I'm sure there are many that think all candidates, including 3rd party, are equally nauseating for different reasons. This year, the main 2 are so awful that it would take a special kind of poopchute to be worse. Is Puck running?
I guess it's Gary Johnson and........who else?
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I'll probably end up voting for a 3rd party candidate, but it can be argued realistically that it would be more of a vote for future elections, not this one. There is little chance a 3rd party candidate will stand a chance this year because the 2 party system is so ingrained in our culture. But, hopefully a vote for a 3rd party this election leads to increased exposure and votes in future elections. But for this election, my vote would be more symbolic that anything. I'm sure there are many that think all candidates, including 3rd party, are equally nauseating for different reasons. This year, the main 2 are so awful that it would take a special kind of poopchute to be worse. Is Puck running?
I guess it's Gary Johnson and........who else?
I'm running for my constituency...which includes the area from Hardhome to the Frostfangs.
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I'll probably end up voting for a 3rd party candidate, but it can be argued realistically that it would be more of a vote for future elections, not this one. There is little chance a 3rd party candidate will stand a chance this year because the 2 party system is so ingrained in our culture. But, hopefully a vote for a 3rd party this election leads to increased exposure and votes in future elections. But for this election, my vote would be more symbolic that anything. I'm sure there are many that think all candidates, including 3rd party, are equally nauseating for different reasons. This year, the main 2 are so awful that it would take a special kind of poopchute to be worse. Is Puck running?
I guess it's Gary Johnson and........who else?
Jill Stein is the Green Party candidate.
I'd like to see an America with both Libertarian and Green Parties active in congressional politics. Two party system has failed miserably.
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Vote for Mike Maccagnan
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I'm sure there are many that think all candidates, including 3rd party, are equally nauseating for different reasons.
There are people who think like that, but it's a cop out for retards.
"Everything is awful so I'm excused from knowing or caring about any of it."
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Welcome to America, where the average voter always crosses fingers and hopes real hard that the parties will change in 4 years if he just keeps giving them his votes.
FWIW, I voted 3rd party in 2012.
Driving the platforms of the two major parties with primary votes and activism is a much more realistic means of producing change than somehow bringing a third party into prominence.
If the Republicans lose the White House for a third straight time and fifth time in the last seven, they will *have* to change. It's going to force them to reconsider the various positions that alienate them from too large a swath of the country.
They learned from the aftermath of 2012 that they can't win with just the support of white men anymore (but haven't seemed to make any adjustments yet). And now, they'll have learned from 2016 that conservatism isn't necessarily the universally held guiding principle of the party anymore, that they can win with a candidate/platform that appeals to a coalition of conservatives and authoritarians, as much as they can overlap, anyway. That would allow them to capture more of the politically moderate voters that have had to lean towards the Dems as the GOP has drifted further to the right. They'll learn to pander to the nativists without burning bridges with every minority group along with way.
One small thing to be optimistic about: I've gotta assume both parties have noticed the degree to which Millennials in particular seem to prioritize authenticity, and that it's trending upwards on the list of importance traits across the demographics. Though, a large chunk of the country is dumb enough to think that Trump is authentic because he "tells it like it is," so the next round of candidates may only need to be able to fake some authenticity in order to gain those voters.
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There are people who think like that, but it's a cop out for retards.
"Everything is awful so I'm excused from knowing or caring about any of it."
More lazy than retarded.
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More lazy than retarded.
Bit of both.
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Completely normal behavior.
BTW waving around Mexican flags while beating people for attending a rally isn't exactly helping their cause.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/06/02/blood-san-jose-anti-trump-protesters-attack-trump-supporters/
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http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/idiocracy-team-ready-anti-donald-trump-campaign-ads-20160603#ixzz4AZc86uWF
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/82/1f/e1/821fe1bc9e572aa1c7e5d9054c45fd15.jpg)
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FWIW, I voted 3rd party in 2012.
Driving the platforms of the two major parties with primary votes and activism is a much more realistic means of producing change than somehow bringing a third party into prominence.
If the Republicans lose the White House for a third straight time and fifth time in the last seven, they will *have* to change. It's going to force them to reconsider the various positions that alienate them from too large a swath of the country.
They learned from the aftermath of 2012 that they can't win with just the support of white men anymore (but haven't seemed to make any adjustments yet). And now, they'll have learned from 2016 that conservatism isn't necessarily the universally held guiding principle of the party anymore, that they can win with a candidate/platform that appeals to a coalition of conservatives and authoritarians, as much as they can overlap, anyway. That would allow them to capture more of the politically moderate voters that have had to lean towards the Dems as the GOP has drifted further to the right. They'll learn to pander to the nativists without burning bridges with every minority group along with way.
One small thing to be optimistic about: I've gotta assume both parties have noticed the degree to which Millennials in particular seem to prioritize authenticity, and that it's trending upwards on the list of importance traits across the demographics. Though, a large chunk of the country is dumb enough to think that Trump is authentic because he "tells it like it is," so the next round of candidates may only need to be able to fake some authenticity in order to gain those voters.
This was said when they lost to Obama for the second time. They did so little that we got Trump.
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I'll probably end up voting for a 3rd party candidate, but it can be argued realistically that it would be more of a vote for future elections, not this one. There is little chance a 3rd party candidate will stand a chance this year because the 2 party system is so ingrained in our culture. But, hopefully a vote for a 3rd party this election leads to increased exposure and votes in future elections. But for this election, my vote would be more symbolic that anything. I'm sure there are many that think all candidates, including 3rd party, are equally nauseating for different reasons. This year, the main 2 are so awful that it would take a special kind of poopchute to be worse. Is Puck running?
I guess it's Gary Johnson and........who else?
It is a vote for future elections. Absolutely no one thinks a 3rd party can win in 2016. The target is 5% to change things.
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This was said when they lost to Obama for the second time. They did so little that we got Trump.
Exactly. Trump's primary victory is already guaranteed to affect the GOP. They don't expect to win the general. If anything, a Trump loss will make the party adhere a bit more strongly to its core values than a Trump victory would.
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FWIW, I voted 3rd party in 2012.
Driving the platforms of the two major parties with primary votes and activism is a much more realistic means of producing change than somehow bringing a third party into prominence.
If the Republicans lose the White House for a third straight time and fifth time in the last seven, they will *have* to change. It's going to force them to reconsider the various positions that alienate them from too large a swath of the country.
They learned from the aftermath of 2012 that they can't win with just the support of white men anymore (but haven't seemed to make any adjustments yet). And now, they'll have learned from 2016 that conservatism isn't necessarily the universally held guiding principle of the party anymore, that they can win with a candidate/platform that appeals to a coalition of conservatives and authoritarians, as much as they can overlap, anyway. That would allow them to capture more of the politically moderate voters that have had to lean towards the Dems as the GOP has drifted further to the right. They'll learn to pander to the nativists without burning bridges with every minority group along with way.
One small thing to be optimistic about: I've gotta assume both parties have noticed the degree to which Millennials in particular seem to prioritize authenticity, and that it's trending upwards on the list of importance traits across the demographics. Though, a large chunk of the country is dumb enough to think that Trump is authentic because he "tells it like it is," so the next round of candidates may only need to be able to fake some authenticity in order to gain those voters.
Siphoning votes to the Libertarians or Green Party absolutely shifts the party platforms in a way internal movement does not. The Democratic Party knows it has full control over its own primary system. Hillary was never going to lose the Primary. Nothing scares the party more than a 3rd party.
Throughout history, third parties have been the best way to change the political structure for the big two.
And Millennials were crowned as the defining group of the party's future in 2008 and 2012. That's not new at all, nor is the idea that they found Obama to be refreshing because he was so authentic.
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This excrement keeps getting funnier.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/06/04/3784856/trump-responds-accusations-racism-fake-photo-black-supporters/
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If you don't support a major candidate, don't vote for a major candidate. It's that simple, but most people are chicken excrement little morons who don't realize that their votes actually carry more weight in most states if they're cast for a third party member.
freak yeah!
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Green Party spit hot fiyah
https://twitter.com/drjillstein/status/738918394355818496
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ABh3tBFTMo
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Finally got to vote today and the primary is already over. Thanks a lot, Obama.
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Finally got to vote today and the primary is already over. Thanks a lot, Obama.
Trump appreciates your support
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Christ. I didn't think it was possible for Hillary to play the woman card any harder than she's doing now.
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Christ. I didn't think it was possible for Hillary to play the woman card any harder than she's doing now.
What did she say now?
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Christ. I didn't think it was possible for Hillary to play the woman card any harder than she's doing now.
So sick of the woman card argument. I'm no fan but she made history, so be it. If she embraces it she rolls trump in November. That racist bag of dicks needs to gtfo or diaf.
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What did she say now?
She said the Ghostbusters reboot would be better than the original.
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So sick of the woman card argument. I'm no fan but she made history, so be it. If she embraces it she rolls trump in November. That racist bag of dicks needs to gtfo or diaf.
She's flaunting it. Big time. That video made her out to be some champion for civil rights. Also, all this after saying she doesn't play the woman's card. Come on. You're smarter than this, so you can't tell me you don't see how she's basically saying "vote for me or else you hate women."
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It is a vote for future elections. Absolutely no one thinks a 3rd party can win in 2016. The target is 5% to change things.
I can't believe this country hasn't hit 5% for a third party yet. I'd say it's mindboggling, but it's really not that surprising when you think about it.
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She's flaunting it. Big time. That video made her out to be some champion for civil rights. Also, all this after saying she doesn't play the woman's card. Come on. You're smarter than this, so you can't tell me you don't see how she's basically saying "vote for me or else you hate women."
If you've voting for the alternative then it's not an entirely baseless argument.
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If you've voting for the alternative then it's not an entirely baseless argument.
Hahaha. This guy.
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I can't believe this country hasn't hit 5% for a third party yet. I'd say it's mindboggling, but it's really not that surprising when you think about it.
Ross Perot had like 16pct in 1992.
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She's flaunting it. Big time. That video made her out to be some champion for civil rights. Also, all this after saying she doesn't play the woman's card. Come on. You're smarter than this, so you can't tell me you don't see how she's basically saying "vote for me or else you hate women."
I think she's going more for "vote for me if you want to help make history". Considering the tripe that comes out of her opponents mouth, I really don't see any problem with that.
"Hillary... If you're going to vote for a sleazy liar, it may as well be the woman."
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I still say we should just go on autopilot as a country for 4 years and try again later.
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I'll probably be voting for a woman in November. I don't trust the system enough to count a write-in on my ballot.
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She said the Ghostbusters reboot would be better than the original.
Burn the witch.
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I'll probably be voting for a woman in November. I don't trust the system enough to count a write-in on my ballot.
Goonies never say die.
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Ross Perot had like 16pct in 1992.
He ran as an independent iirc
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I think she's going more for "vote for me if you want to help make history".
Worked the last time.
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Make America Great Again
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I think she's going more for "vote for me if you want to help make history". Considering the tripe that comes out of her opponents mouth, I really don't see any problem with that.
"Hillary... If you're going to vote for a sleazy liar, it may as well be the woman."
That's literally the same exact thing. Why vote on the issues when you can just vote to "make history". That's ridiculous. What Obama accomplished was way more historical, but he wasn't all in-your-face about it. I'd have more respect for her if she was modest about it, but the video and the whole "we did it, ladies!" bullshit was pathetic.
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He ran as an independent iirc
Yes. There have been more successful third party candidates in the past, though. Without third parties, there would be no Democrats or Republicans. Both originated as outsider parties.
The problem now is that Americans have swallowed the idea that the system can't change, so they sheepishly get in line to vote for candidates they don't really support.
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He ran as an independent iirc
Yeah, I think we need a Libertarian Party, or something.
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Hillary's not the first female nominee for President, so I'm not sure why she's celebrating that aspect. If she takes office, that'll be the time for the history celebrations.
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It's interesting that in California, Trump got about 1.1 million votes even though he already locked the nomination. That's impressive, especially considering Sanders campaigned hard and got 1.3 million, while Hillary got about 1.5 million.
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-vq7zwElSmQI
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Hillary's not the first female nominee for President, so I'm not sure why she's celebrating that aspect. If she takes office, that'll be the time for the history celebrations.
Yeah, she's laying it on pretty thick: https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/740349871073398785
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Yeah, I think we need a Libertarian Party, or something.
Well...any party, really, just not a guy running as an independent. I'm not afraid to admit, I voted Nader '00, '04 and '08. I didn't vote in '12 and I don't plan on voting in this election either. My third party post was more in regards to the past 25-50 years, than our country's history as a whole.
At this point, I'm more concerned about who my representative and my senator is than anything else. And, at this point, I don't know how much that matters anymore because the system is so flawed, and all these candidates take (NEED) money that I really question what my vote stands for anyway.
It's why I don't usually participate in these thread. Arguing about it is useless, and everything is so category A and category B now, it's maddening. I'm not referring to this site so much, just political talk in general. There are no grey areas anymore, and it's just...sad.
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I'll vote for Hillary if she texts me pictures of her hoo-ha and poopchute with her legs behind her head
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How is not voting any better?
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My daughter hates Hillary. She says she doesn't want the first woman president to be her.
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How is not voting any better?
I didn't vote for president
I even voted for school board and budget
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My daughter hates Hillary. She says she doesn't want the first woman president to be her.
How does she know so much about Hilary? My daughter hates Hillary. She says she doesn't want the first woman president to be her.
Just curious. Why does she hate Hilary? Is it because of what you've told her about Hilary, or did she get a bad vibe from seeing her speak, etc?
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I didn't vote for president
I even voted for school board and budget
But why? There wasn't a single candidate you could support out of the field?
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How does she know so much about Hilary?
Just curious. Why does she hate Hilary? Is it because of what you've told her about Hilary, or did she get a bad vibe from seeing her speak, etc?
We have been careful not to indoctrinate our children when it comes to religion and politics. We speak about things in objective senses, who supports what, etc. My daughter thinks she's scummy because of the times she's seen her speak. My kids are 6 and 9, but they'll sit and watch the news in spurts. Even speeches and debates.
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But why? There wasn't a single candidate you could support out of the field?
I didn't feel knowledgeable about Kuhchineck (I know that's spelled wrong) to vote for him. I thought about just doing it, but I didn't. I wasn't voting for Ron Paul, period.
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We have been careful not to indoctrinate our children when it comes to religion and politics. We speak about things in objective senses, who supports what, etc. My daughter thinks she's scummy because of the times she's seen her speak. My kids are 6 and 9, but they'll sit and watch the news in spurts. Even speeches and debates.
That's pretty cool. When I was a kid I based my opinions on SNL and their caricatures of Bush and Clinton. I also remember a group discussion in the 4th grade about why we shouldn't go to war in Iraq, our teachers were pretty much telling us the only reason we'ere there was because of oil.
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I didn't feel knowledgeable about Kuhchineck (I know that's spelled wrong) to vote for him. I thought about just doing it, but I didn't. I wasn't voting for Ron Paul, period.
It doesn't sound like you researched the field at all. Kucinich didn't even run in the Democratic primary in 2012 let alone as a third party candidate, and Paul ran in the primary only.
Take an hour and read up on the rest of the field before November.
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That's pretty cool. When I was a kid I based my opinions on SNL and their caricatures of Bush and Clinton. I also remember a group discussion in the 4th grade about why we shouldn't go to war in Iraq, our teachers were pretty much telling us the only reason we'ere there was because of oil.
My school sang Proud to be an American and when the 88 election was going on, the school student election was a landslide for Bush.
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Actually it was Voices that Care. I haven't thought about that in a long time.
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It doesn't sound like you researched the field at all. Kucinich didn't even run in the Democratic primary in 2012 let alone as a third party candidate, and Paul ran in the primary only.
Take an hour and read up on the rest of the field before November.
I thought I saw Kucinich as a Libertarian and I thought I remembered Paul running as an independent, but I guess I was mistaken. Sad thing is, I would have voted for Romney, gun to my head, but it just felt dirty. You're probably right, I'm a stubborn bastard and I made my mind up early and didn't bother following it up.
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Actually it was Voices that Care. I haven't thought about that in a long time.
Hahahahaha. We sang that too. Forgot about that song.
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One thing you gotta love about the election is the retardation that seeps out of the woodwork on social media
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I've voted in every Presidential election I've been eligible for, but I can't stand the idea that someone not voting is a problem. I used to feel like that, but the truth is: sometimes there isn't a single candidate on the ballot you can, in good conscience, vote for. In that case, you shouldn't feel obligated to vote. A non-vote doesn't "change the system" but let's be frank, neither does voting in the garbage that has served us the past couple of decades.
This cycle I may vote for a 3rd party candidate. I'm not particularly fond of any candidate that has run the entire cycle. It doesn't matter who I vote for anyway, my electoral vote counts toward the legacy candidate. In turn, I can't blame any NYer who willingly chooses to work late or be home for dinner rather than wait on a long line on a Tuesday November night just for their voice to remain unheard.
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I've voted in every Presidential election I've been eligible for, but I can't stand the idea that someone not voting is a problem. I used to feel like that, but the truth is: sometimes there isn't a single candidate on the ballot you can, in good conscience, vote for. In that case, you shouldn't feel obligated to vote. A non-vote doesn't "change the system" but let's be frank, neither does voting in the garbage that has served us the past couple of decades.
This cycle I may vote for a 3rd party candidate. I'm not particularly fond of any candidate that has run the entire cycle. It doesn't matter who I vote for anyway, my electoral vote counts toward the legacy candidate. In turn, I can't blame any NYer who willingly chooses to work late or be home for dinner rather than wait on a long line on a Tuesday November night just for their voice to remain unheard.
I didn't say not voting was a problem. I asked if there weren't any candidates he felt he could support. There's a huge difference. A lot of people refuse to vote for one of the non-DemRep candidates and just stay home. It's certainly a problem that people don't feel like they should research anyone else or show up to vote unless it's for the Democrats or Republicans.
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I thought I saw Kucinich as a Libertarian and I thought I remembered Paul running as an independent, but I guess I was mistaken. Sad thing is, I would have voted for Romney, gun to my head, but it just felt dirty. You're probably right, I'm a stubborn bastard and I made my mind up early and didn't bother following it up.
I mean, that's what the vast majority of people do. That just needs to be the focus for the disaffected. Change the way people view elections, even if it's gradual. The system isn't going to change overnight, but it'll change a whole lot faster if even some people come around to the idea that they--gasp--can actually vote for someone other than Hillary or Trump without fear of destroying the country.
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I didn't say not voting was a problem. I asked if there weren't any candidates he felt he could support. There's a huge difference. A lot of people refuse to vote for one of the non-DemRep candidates and just stay home. It's certainly a problem that people don't feel like they should research anyone else or show up to vote unless it's for the Democrats or Republicans.
If I didn't think getting Johnson to 5% was important I would stay home and not feel bad about it. Electoral college is whack. I laugh at all my NY friends who get so heated about their candidate when the Democratic nominee already won all our States votes without question.
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I mean, that's what the vast majority of people do. That just needs to be the focus for the disaffected. Change the way people view elections, even if it's gradual. The system isn't going to change overnight, but it'll change a whole lot faster if even some people come around to the idea that they--gasp--can actually vote for someone other than Hillary or Trump without fear of destroying the country.
I liked Nader. I liked what he stood for, I agreed with the majority of his views. Might have helped that I went to one of the most liberal colleges in my state, but I wanted the Green Party to get that 5% and it (obviously) didn't happen. A real shame, because I thought there was a real chance there
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If I didn't think getting Johnson to 5% was important I would stay home and not feel bad about it. Electoral college is whack. I laugh at all my NY friends who get so heated about their candidate when the Democratic nominee already won all our States votes without question.
That's how deBlasio became mayor. You could put a monkey on the ballot and say he's a democrat and he'll probably win.
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It's interesting that in California, Trump got about 1.1 million votes even though he already locked the nomination. That's impressive, especially considering Sanders campaigned hard and got 1.3 million, while Hillary got about 1.5 million.
Trump wasn't the only item on the ballot. He got the default nod while Republicans were voting on other things.
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Trump wasn't the only item on the ballot. He got the default nod while Republicans were voting on other things.
Yeah but he got a million people to go out and vote for him for nothing.
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I thought I saw Kucinich as a Libertarian and I thought I remembered Paul running as an independent, but I guess I was mistaken.
Be honest, you were drunk and picked up a word search activity book.
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That's how deBlasio became mayor. You could put a monkey on the ballot and say he's a democrat and he'll probably win.
This describes most Clinton voters.
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This describes most Clinton voters.
racist
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I didn't say not voting was a problem. I asked if there weren't any candidates he felt he could support. There's a huge difference. A lot of people refuse to vote for one of the non-DemRep candidates and just stay home. It's certainly a problem that people don't feel like they should research anyone else or show up to vote unless it's for the Democrats or Republicans.
True. It's the difference between not wanting to put your vote behind anyone available and simply not caring enough to bother seeing if someone has views you agree with.
I wasn't specifically targeting your commentary. I was more a general statement because I've seen so much "You BETTER vote this year! It means too much to let the wrong person win!" nonsense lately. Newsflash kiddies, they're all the wrong people. And America isn't going to be on the brink of collapse any more than it is today regardless of which of them wins.
That's why I implore people to vote in other elections. Your Congresspeople and Senators are far more influential in the long run than the President. Local elections are important too but people don't care. That's how New York gets guys like Sheldon Silver.
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True. It's the difference between not wanting to put your vote behind anyone available and simply not caring enough to bother seeing if someone has views you agree with.
I wasn't specifically targeting your commentary. I was more a general statement because I've seen so much "You BETTER vote this year! It means too much to let the wrong person win!" nonsense lately. Newsflash kiddies, they're all the wrong people. And America isn't going to be on the brink of collapse any more than it is today regardless of which of them wins.
That's why I implore people to vote in other elections. Your Congresspeople and Senators are far more influential in the long run than the President. Local elections are important too but people don't care. That's how New York gets guys like Sheldon Silver.
Yep. That attitude is most prevalent among Hillary supporters, too. "If you don't turn out and vote for Hillary, you're saying you want Trump!" No, I'm saying I don't want either one.
Personally, I'll vote for the guy with whom I agree on most issues. A guy who has an outstanding track record economically as a governor already.
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Yep. That attitude is most prevalent among Hillary supporters, too. "If you don't turn out and vote for Hillary, you're saying you want Trump!" No, I'm saying I don't want either one.
Personally, I'll vote for the guy with whom I agree on most issues. A guy who has an outstanding track record economically as a governor already.
Yeah but that governor with an outstanding economic track record isn't full of sound and fury signifying nothing, so he doesn't energize the mindless sheep, which encompasses 65 percent of this country. What hurts is how freaking stupid the average American truly is, and they're not getting smarter.
The only way I can tell the two parties to take their shitty presidential candidates and stuff them up their poopchute is to vote for a legitimate third party candidate, which is what I will do.
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Bloomberg is a gaping vag for not running as an independent.
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Bloomberg is a gaping vag for not running as an independent.
The big problem for him is gun control. I really feel when they did their research, that was a major obstacle. That or he truly had no desire to run.
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The big problem for him is gun control. I really feel when they did their research, that was a major obstacle. That or he truly had no desire to run.
"Let the states decide" would have been the best course of action for him on that issue.
But I don't see how his stance could be less popular with that demographic than Clinton's.
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My basic hopes for this election is the 3rd party gets the 5% votes or whatever it is they need so they can get the federal funding next year.
Hopefully we can fix a broken two party system to something betterish.
Even a 3 party system would be fantastic assuming it gets fleshed out the right way (over time)
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I missed this, but I might actually have to vote for Gary Johnson now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2KWfTWDs7Y
I wonder if he does Tough Mudders?
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I missed this, but I might actually have to vote for Gary Johnson now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2KWfTWDs7Y
I wonder if he does Tough Mudders?
Shots fired.
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I missed this, but I might actually have to vote for Gary Johnson now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2KWfTWDs7Y
I wonder if he does Tough Mudders?
Not sure what was stopping you before.
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Not sure what was stopping you before.
Procrastination on research.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/741007091947556864
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/741007091947556864
Haha I saw that. What the freak was her team thinking? Walked right into that one.
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Only in 2016 are presidential candidates trolling each other on twitter.
Go ahead aliens, enslave us.
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That said, it's pretty freaking funny. I just don't understand how Hillary thinks she's going to beat him at what he's best at; being a dick.
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Liz Warren jumped into the high school twitter battle
VP nomination confirmed
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Haha I saw that. What the freak was her team thinking? Walked right into that one.
So totally tone deaf. Goes after him on Twitter and her first word is "Delete".
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Liz Warren jumped into the high school twitter battle
VP nomination confirmed
Pocahontas lol.
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So totally tone deaf. Goes after him on Twitter and her first word is "Delete".
In her stupid head she did nothing wrong.
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Let's not pretend that either one of these people are actually tweeting their own stuff.
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Let's not pretend that either one of these people are actually tweeting their own stuff.
you think his staffers are greenlighting 3:45am tweets?
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Let's not pretend that either one of these people are actually tweeting their own stuff.
Hilary definitely isn't. Trump on the other hand...
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Hilary definitely isn't. Trump on the other hand...
I imagine Trump has an employee whose entire job is following him around with the Twitter app open and when the mood hits Trump dictates.
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I imagine Trump has an employee whose entire job is following him around with the Twitter app open and when the mood hits Trump dictates.
"GOD DAMN MEXICANS!!! Wait, no Chip...., don't hit send!!!!!"
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I don't know. I picture Trump smuggling phones into the bathroom so he can tweet untethered.
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Only in 2016 are presidential candidates trolling each other on twitter.
Go ahead aliens, enslave us.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/11/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-convention-sports-celebrities.html
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I went to, I side with.com (no spaces) and Gary Johnson was most closely aligned with my views at 86 percent. Trump was 80 and there's no freaking way on earth I would vote for that schmuck. So Gary Johnson it is.
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I just took it for shits and giggles, I get:
95% Jill Stein
95% Bernie Sanders
91% Hilary Clinton
69% Gary Johnson
6% Donald Trump
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/11/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-convention-sports-celebrities.html
Bobby Knight, Ben the Rapist, and Shady Brady are such great character references after all.
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Bobby Knight, Ben the Rapist, and Shady Brady are such great character references after all.
Turned out not to be true.
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Washington Post had some excrement piece about how Trump "blamed Obama" by saying that he refuses to use the term radical Islam. Sensationalist journalism at its finest.
How does Trump respond? Directly accuses Obama of supporting our enemies. Dude's hilarious.
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Also took the quiz. No real surprises here.
98% Bernie Sanders
97% Hilary Clinton
97% Jill Stein
69% Gary Johnson
18% Donald Trump
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I love how the "yes and no" options are subtly meant to differentiate the morons off the bat.
The ones with half a brain will click on "more options" to get a more nuanced,accurate response.
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99% GZA
97% Method Man
95% Ghostface Killah
42% ODB
18% Inspectah Deck
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-unfavorables-spike-clintons-challenged-poll/story?id=39856303
Spectacular numbers. What an absolute shambles this is.
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99% GZA
97% Method Man
95% Ghostface Killah
42% ODB
18% Inspectah Deck
His planned parenthood take is a deal breaker
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I'm not sure I have any respect for the decision to vote major party at all in this election.
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I'm not sure I have any respect for the decision to vote major party at all in this election.
If I were American I'd hold my nose and vote for Hilary, but it would be an anti-Trump vote more than anything.
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If I were American I'd hold my nose and vote for Hilary, but it would be an anti-Trump vote more than anything.
I'd vote for Trump because i like a good campfire.
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If I were American I'd hold my nose and vote for Hilary, but it would be an anti-Trump vote more than anything.
Trump has zero chance of winning barring an event out of left field. At this point, that answer is simply a cop out for frightened little sheep.
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Trump has zero chance of winning barring an event out of left field. At this point, that answer is simply a cop out for frightened little sheep.
I think that Trump is something worth being afraid of.
I agree with you in principle that it makes far more sense to vote for a third candidate who better represents your views, but I don't have any problem at all with strategic voting. I don't like Hilary very much, but I'd much rather have her than make a political point and let Trump in.
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89% Gary Johnson
86% Jill Stein
78% Bernie Sanders
53% Hillary Clinton
42% Donald Trump
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I think that Trump is something worth being afraid of.
I agree with you in principle that it makes far more sense to vote for a third candidate who better represents your views, but I don't have any problem at all with strategic voting. I don't like Hilary very much, but I'd much rather have her than make a political point and let Trump in.
Unless you see yourself settling in a swing state, that's an idiotic position.
Romney lost California by 3 million votes in 2012 and New York by 2 million votes. New Jersey? 650k out of just 3.6 million voters. Connecticut? 270k out of just 1.5 million voters.
Trump expands that gap in every one of those states. Nobody here needs to even remotely consider a Trump victory in his state, so strategic voting is a stupid idea. I have a huge problem with it.
Even in swing states, Johnson is going to have a bigger effect on Republicans than either candidate on Democrats. If everyone voted for his preference and not against the most disliked candidate, we would have a minority president in Clinton and fantastic numbers for both third parties.
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Unless you see yourself settling in a swing state, that's an idiotic position.
Romney lost California by 3 million votes in 2012 and New York by 2 million votes. New Jersey? 650k out of just 3.6 million voters. Connecticut? 270k out of just 1.5 million voters.
Trump expands that gap in every one of those states. Nobody here needs to even remotely consider a Trump victory in his state, so strategic voting is a stupid idea. I have a huge problem with it.
Even in swing states, Johnson is going to have a bigger effect on Republicans than either candidate on Democrats. If everyone voted for his preference and not against the most disliked candidate, we would have a minority president in Clinton and fantastic numbers for both third parties.
Fair enough. I wasn't thinking about the difference in per state totals so I agree with you that my position only makes sense in a swing state.
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Unless you see yourself settling in a swing state, that's an idiotic position.
Romney lost California by 3 million votes in 2012 and New York by 2 million votes. New Jersey? 650k out of just 3.6 million voters. Connecticut? 270k out of just 1.5 million voters.
Trump expands that gap in every one of those states. Nobody here needs to even remotely consider a Trump victory in his state, so strategic voting is a stupid idea. I have a huge problem with it.
Even in swing states, Johnson is going to have a bigger effect on Republicans than either candidate on Democrats. If everyone voted for his preference and not against the most disliked candidate, we would have a minority president in Clinton and fantastic numbers for both third parties.
Not saying that Trump can win those states, but I wouldn't compare Trump to Romney. In 2012 only 200,000 republicans voted in the NY primary, compared to 1 million this year, of which Trump got more than 500k. Romney won by a similar percentage, but only 119k voted for him.
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I answered every single question but I really don't know enough about certain issues.
85% Bernie
85% Jill Stein
82% Hilary
72% Gary Johnson
56% Trump
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I'm in a swing state, and Johnson will do quite well here. I'll vote for Hillary. Not because I like her personally, but her platform is close enough for me. And yes, I will vote, because I will be embarrassed if Trump takes Nevada.
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Not that I think it's a particularly significant demographic, but I'm surprised that Trump even gets as many as this:
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/05/04/survey-lgbt-voters-back-clinton-over-trump-by-4-1-margin/
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Not that I think it's a particularly significant demographic, but I'm surprised that Trump even gets as many as this:
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/05/04/survey-lgbt-voters-back-clinton-over-trump-by-4-1-margin/
I can't really think of anything he's said that's been criticized for being "anti-gay."
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I can't really think of anything he's said that's been criticized for being "anti-gay."
You mean apart from repeatedly saying that he's opposed to same sex marriage?
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You mean apart from repeatedly saying that he's opposed to same sex marriage?
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-gay-rights-224343
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-gay-rights-224343
Not as hardline as the godbothering lunatics of the GOP =/= champion of gay rights.
"I'm not in favor of gay marriage. They should not be able to marry."
"I just don't feel good about it. I don't feel right about it. I'm against it… I'm opposed to gay marriage."
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Not as hardline as the godbothering lunatics of the GOP =/= champion of gay rights.
I didn't say he was a champion, but it's not like he's making "banning gay marriage" a part of his platform. He just gave his opinion. Gay marriage is a very new thing, and a lot of people just aren't used to it. I doubt he really cares much to be honest.
Clinton is an opportunist, and has been a vocal critic of gay marriage for a long time until she saw the public shifting its opinion. But again, it's not a platform for him, which means he isn't going to become president and actively try and help repeal the supreme court's decision.
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But again, it's not a platform for him, which means he isn't going to become president and actively try and help repeal the supreme court's decision.
Asked on Fox News Sunday “WALLACE: But -- but just to button this up very quickly, sir, are you saying that if you become president, you might try to appoint justices to overrule the decision on same-sex marriage?” TRUMP: “I would strongly consider that, yes.”
http://www.hrc.org/2016RepublicanFacts/donald-trump
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http://www.hrc.org/2016RepublicanFacts/donald-trump
"I'll think about it." equals "I will try to overturn the ruling."
He didn't raise the issue. He was asked a question. My point was that he's not making that a central point in his campaign. It's obvious his attention is on immigration, economics, and security, not social issues.
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"I'll think about it." equals "I will try to overturn the ruling."
He didn't raise the issue. He was asked a question. My point was that he's not making that a central point in his campaign. It's obvious his attention is on immigration, economics, and security, not social issues.
OK, but to return to the point - I'm surprised that 16% of gay people would be prepared to vote for someone who has stated that he would "strongly consider" one of the most important pieces of equality legislation since 1964.
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OK, but to return to the point - I'm surprised that 16% of gay people would be prepared to vote for someone who has stated that he would "strongly consider" one of the most important pieces of equality legislation since 1964.
I guess, but we can't assume that all gay people have the same political leanings, and those who are conservative probably appreciate the fact that he isn't guns-blazingly anti-gay marriage.
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OK, but to return to the point - I'm surprised that 16% of gay people would be prepared to vote for someone who has stated that he would "strongly consider" one of the most important pieces of equality legislation since 1964.
He's been married 3 times. I really doubt he gives a nanofuck about the sanctity of marriage.
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He's been married 3 times. I really doubt he gives a nanofuck about the sanctity of marriage.
Whether he cares and whether he'd do it to appease the party he nominally represents are not necessarily related.
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OK, but to return to the point - I'm surprised that 16% of gay people would be prepared to vote for someone who has stated that he would "strongly consider" one of the most important pieces of equality legislation since 1964.
He's not out preaching like Ted Cruz was, Hillary has a shady history there, and gay people have a variety of viewpoints on other issues, including those who are fabulously wealthy and wish to keep their money.
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Whether he cares and whether he'd do it to appease the party he nominally represents are not necessarily related.
That is true, but that doesn't make much sense to do. The Republicans tried that and have lost repeatedly, and now gay marriage is not an issue in most places outside of the usual dipshit southern states. There's too much momentum in favor of gay marriage both by law and public perception to effectively start or continue with a counter movement. It'd also be a horrible general election strategy, and there's no point in Trump pandering to a demographic he's already strong with.
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Trumps an idiot who has no tact. But let's not pretend he's a far right loon. This guys one of the most liberal Republican presidential candidates we've seen in a while. He's probably even more to the left than McCain. And McCain fucked that up because he brought on Palin.
Hell people keep forgetting Trump is a lifelong Clinton supporter
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Trumps an idiot who has no tact. But let's not pretend he's a far right loon. This guys one of the most liberal Republican presidential candidates we've seen in a while. He's probably even more to the left than McCain. And McCain fucked that up because he brought on Palin.
Hell people keep forgetting Trump is a lifelong Clinton supporter
That's fairly accurate I'd imagine, but he doesn't sound liberal when he opens his mouth. That's going to cost him the election. Hell, that almost certainly already has cost him the election.
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That is true, but that doesn't make much sense to do. The Republicans tried that and have lost repeatedly, and now gay marriage is not an issue in most places outside of the usual dipshit southern states. There's too much momentum in favor of gay marriage both by law and public perception to effectively start or continue with a counter movement. It'd also be a horrible general election strategy, and there's no point in Trump pandering to a demographic he's already strong with.
+1
Gay marriage isn't going anywhere.
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Unless you see yourself settling in a swing state, that's an idiotic position.
Romney lost California by 3 million votes in 2012 and New York by 2 million votes. New Jersey? 650k out of just 3.6 million voters. Connecticut? 270k out of just 1.5 million voters.
Trump expands that gap in every one of those states. Nobody here needs to even remotely consider a Trump victory in his state, so strategic voting is a stupid idea. I have a huge problem with it.
Even in swing states, Johnson is going to have a bigger effect on Republicans than either candidate on Democrats. If everyone voted for his preference and not against the most disliked candidate, we would have a minority president in Clinton and fantastic numbers for both third parties.
I am becoming increasingly attracted to this option. I would normally fall into the "not voting" category, because I don't believe in the two party system and being forced to vote for someone I don't like. And also becuz CT. This could be a big election for the 3rd parties given the unpopularity of Trump/Hilary.
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There's no freaking way I am not voting despite my hatred for both the major candidates bordering on these 2 being my most hated candidates I ever seen. I can't even think of a nominee I have hated more than these 2 assholes. Palin is above and beyond these 2 but she was a VP candidate, Tammy my Peke was more qualified than that simpleton.
Gary Johnson it is. He is most closely aligned to how I think, plus he's a lot smarter than Drumpf or Clinton.
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Relevant to the discussion earlier about gays voting for Trump:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/6612/west-hollywood-inundated-poster-rainbow-gadsen-hank-berrien
If you don't think he's going to do anything to strip you of your rights based on sexuality but are otherwise conservative, there you go.
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I'm not sure that one person with a colour printer and too much time on their hands is representative of much.
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I'm not sure that one person with a colour printer and too much time on their hands is representative of much.
Yeah, and to be fair there really is no way to know if a gay person even did that.
But the Log Cabin Republicans seem to be Trump supporters. Don't know how big they are though.
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I'm not sure that one person with a colour printer and too much time on their hands is representative of much.
I'm guessing the Pink Pistols were behind it, but I have no proof of that.
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Yeah, and to be fair there really is no way to know if a gay person even did that.
But the Log Cabin Republicans seem to be Trump supporters. Don't know how big they are though.
Whoever came up with that name is an idiot.
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Whoever came up with that name is an idiot.
Do they like syrup?
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Do they like syrup?
I have bought 3 pairs of AE's in the last few months........
Leeds 13 Black
Park Ave 13 Black
Shelton 13 Burgundy/Black
The Leeds are the most comfortable shoe I have ever owned. The Park Ave's are starting to become very comfortable after the 5-6 time wearing them.
The Shelton's look nice, I got them @ less than 1/2 MSRP from Amazon. They are of dubious quality, however. I should have sent them back and didn't so that is squarely on me. They were old shoes from the lapse in quality days of AE (black insoles, sole a little out of alignment and bump in the leather). They still look ok at first glance, it's probably just me that really notices the imperfections. I believe they should have been 2nd's.
My next purchase will be Shell Randolph or EG Picadilly (yeah I know, not for this thread). I need a loafer next.
Anyhow, I am quite happy with the quality of the Leeds and Pa's. They are certainly made with care and are very comfortable. I will definitely buy more AE's.
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Yeah, and to be fair there really is no way to know if a gay person even did that.
But the Log Cabin Republicans seem to be Trump supporters. Don't know how big they are though.
Probably if Trump asks them how big they are, he'll get a couple more votes in that demographic
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I have bought 3 pairs of AE's in the last few months........
Leeds 13 Black
Park Ave 13 Black
Shelton 13 Burgundy/Black
The Leeds are the most comfortable shoe I have ever owned. The Park Ave's are starting to become very comfortable after the 5-6 time wearing them.
The Shelton's look nice, I got them @ less than 1/2 MSRP from Amazon. They are of dubious quality, however. I should have sent them back and didn't so that is squarely on me. They were old shoes from the lapse in quality days of AE (black insoles, sole a little out of alignment and bump in the leather). They still look ok at first glance, it's probably just me that really notices the imperfections. I believe they should have been 2nd's.
My next purchase will be Shell Randolph or EG Picadilly (yeah I know, not for this thread). I need a loafer next.
Anyhow, I am quite happy with the quality of the Leeds and Pa's. They are certainly made with care and are very comfortable. I will definitely buy more AE's.
Does he like Syrup?
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Candidates you side with...
85%
Hillary Clinton Democratic
on domestic policy, economic, foreign policy, social, healthcare, science, and criminal issues.
83%
Bernie Sanders Democratic
on domestic policy, economic, environmental, social, healthcare, science, education, and criminal issues.
80%
Jill Stein Green
on economic, domestic policy, environmental, social, healthcare, education, and criminal issues.
57%
Gary Johnson Libertarian
on social issues.
55%
Donald Trump Republican
on foreign policy, immigration, and electoral issues.
Not really shocking results. It doesn't matter, since I'm in NY I can vote away from the 2 bigs and it only matters to my conscience and to the total number of votes that go third party.
I answered all the questions and weighted their personal importance to me as well.
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http://usuncut.com/news/trump-lawsuit-13-year-old-rape/
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http://usuncut.com/news/trump-lawsuit-13-year-old-rape/
Great source.
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Here are the leaked Clinton Foundation emails:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hacker-releases-clinton-foundation-documents/article/2594452?custom_click=rss
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"I only made what Wall Street offered"
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Not really shocking results. It doesn't matter, since I'm in NY I can vote away from the 2 bigs and it only matters to my conscience and to the total number of votes that go third party.
I answered all the questions and weighted their personal importance to me as well.
I voted third party in 2000, thinking maybe if enough people did it would help the cause of a third party over the long term. Turns out I'm not going to live long enough term for that.
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Great source.
Oh, I'm sorry.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rape-lawsuit-donald-trump-resurfaces-new-york-court-article-1.2681196
http://www.jdjournal.com/2016/06/21/lawsuit-claims-donald-trump-raped-13-year-old-girl-at-1990s-sex-parties/
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Oh, I'm sorry.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rape-lawsuit-donald-trump-resurfaces-new-york-court-article-1.2681196
http://www.jdjournal.com/2016/06/21/lawsuit-claims-donald-trump-raped-13-year-old-girl-at-1990s-sex-parties/
I'm sure there's plenty of unsavory stuff Trump has done or said they could be used against him. This sounds like pure bullshit though. For starters the girl filed the lawsuit on her own last month without a lawyer which makes me think she's a looney toon. And secondly immediately after refiling she puts out this statement
While the identity of Johnson is unverified, she has stated that she would do interviews or submit photographs to the media for $25,000.
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It sounds very dodgy. The fact is though that no Presidential candidate should have as much excrement trailing behind him as Trump does.
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Tommy's boy continues to impress.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-campaign-malpractice_us_5769828fe4b0a75709b7f031?section=politics
"Wah wah wah it's HuffPo wah wah wah they're pinko Trump-haters wah wah wah......"
Tell me their multiple linked sources are all making it up. Mike Judge already wrote this story ten years ago, and yet you're going to vote for it?
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LOLOLOL, this is getting better.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/06/21/3790715/weird-story-behind-trump-campaigns-35000-payment-draper-sterling-advertising/
"Wah wah wah it's ThinkProgress wah wah wah they're pinko Trump-haters wah wah wah......"
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Tommy's boy continues to impress.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-campaign-malpractice_us_5769828fe4b0a75709b7f031?section=politics
"Wah wah wah it's HuffPo wah wah wah they're pinko Trump-haters wah wah wah......"
Tell me their multiple linked sources are all making it up. Mike Judge already wrote this story ten years ago, and yet you're going to vote for it?
Yeah, you don't sound biased at all.
It's not like Hilary has ever had any major questions about her campaign funding.
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Of course I'm biased, was there ever a time I pretended otherwise? But I presume we're agreeing that Trump is utterly filthy, right?
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Of course I'm biased, was there ever a time I pretended otherwise? But I presume we're agreeing that Trump is utterly filthy, right?
I mean, I think I've made it pretty clear what I think of Trump in this thread but attacking Trump on campaign funds considering Hilary's history is hilariously oblivious.
There's so many things to go after Trump for and you pick the one where Democrats are just as culpable. And worse, you make it bigger than it is. For all the crazy excrement he says/does, to act like this typical bureaucratic nonsense is some type of nail in the coffin is bizarre and ignoring everything that's happened up to this point with him.
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It sounds very dodgy. The fact is though that no Presidential candidate should have as much excrement trailing behind him as Trump does.
yeah Bill never had any associations with Epstein.... right?
You're digging into the bargain bin on these.
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I mean, I think I've made it pretty clear what I think of Trump in this thread but attacking Trump on campaign funds considering Hilary's history is hilariously oblivious.
There's so many things to go after Trump for and you pick the one where Democrats are just as culpable. And worse, you make it bigger than it is. For all the crazy excrement he says/does, to act like this typical bureaucratic nonsense is some type of nail in the coffin is bizarre and ignoring everything that's happened up to this point with him.
By making mountains out of molehills, people are watering down the worthwhile criticisms of Trump. Eventually it just starts to look like the same alarmist nonsense.
When I talk about Trump it's about his policy positions, not "he LITERALLY thinks every Mexican is a rapist!"
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yeah Bill never had any associations with Epstein.... right?
You're digging into the bargain bin on these.
I'm not digging anywhere, I'm just posting them as they arrive.
He's proven to be a pathological liar and he's a serious contender to become the most powerful person in the US.
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I'm not digging anywhere, I'm just posting them as they arrive.
He's proven to be a pathological liar and he's a serious contender to become the most powerful person in the US.
Are you talking about Hilldawg or Trump?
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Are you talking about Hilldawg or Trump?
I think they're in different leagues of awful, but I think I've been fairly clear that I'm not a big fan of hers either.
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I think they're in different leagues of awful, but I think I've been fairly clear that I'm not a big fan of hers either.
That's fine, all I'm saying is it's not really accurate to call one a pathological liar but not the other. Neither of them have their hands clean in that category.
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That's fine, all I'm saying is it's not really accurate to call one a pathological liar but not the other. Neither of them have their hands clean in that category.
I don't think she's a pathological liar, I think she's a calculated cynical liar. The lies she tells are planned and have a specific purpose, whereas he just blurts out complete bullshit as a matter of course without any consideration for what he's trying to achieve or how easily he's going to get shown up for it.
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Trump's #1 initial pitch was that he was self funding, and I can appreciate the appeal of that. Now it was a loan he gave himself, that he can collect directly from contributions to his campaign. 10% of the loan he gave himself was to pay himself by using Trump owned properties.
It's about as corrupt as you can get.
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Trump's #1 initial pitch was that he was self funding, and I can appreciate the appeal of that. Now it was a loan he gave himself, that he can collect directly from contributions to his campaign. 10% of the loan he gave himself was to pay himself by using Trump owned properties.
It's about as corrupt as you can get.
How's that corrupt? It's sort of like using your own car for work rather than renting one and then expensing it. He holds election events at his country clubs, which costs money. Nothing he did was illegal.
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Trump's #1 initial pitch was that he was self funding, and I can appreciate the appeal of that. Now it was a loan he gave himself, that he can collect directly from contributions to his campaign. 10% of the loan he gave himself was to pay himself by using Trump owned properties.
It's about as corrupt as you can get.
He'd be giving himself 100% of it if he didn't use it to fund his campaign.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wAeB_yl2E90
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How's that corrupt? It's sort of like using your own car for work rather than renting one and then expensing it. He holds election events at his country clubs, which costs money. Nothing he did was illegal.
Why wouldn't he? He's supposed to spend money to hold events on someone else's property? Government loves to spend our money on frivolous sh*t, Trump is spending his own so he tries not to waste it, what a concept.
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Why wouldn't he? He's supposed to spend money to hold events on someone else's property? Government loves to spend our money on frivolous sh*t, Trump is spending his own so he tries not to waste it, what a concept.
"He's lining his pockets! How corrupt!"
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I don't think she's a pathological liar, I think she's a calculated cynical liar. The lies she tells are planned and have a specific purpose, whereas he just blurts out complete bullshit as a matter of course without any consideration for what he's trying to achieve or how easily he's going to get shown up for it.
This is fair.
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Now that's funny.
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I don't think she's a pathological liar, I think she's a calculated cynical liar. The lies she tells are planned and have a specific purpose, whereas he just blurts out complete bullshit as a matter of course without any consideration for what he's trying to achieve or how easily he's going to get shown up for it.
Don't you think her actions speak louder that her "calculated lies" though? Even guy have to admit that she's done a poor job as Secretary of State. That's like being promoted CEO after doing a excrement job for years, and just the fact that you've been here the longest should make you the most qualified? That's dumb logic.
Trump has actual accomplishments. Granted he wasn't completely self-made, but it took a hell of a lot of work. Cuban likes to go after him, but building a real estate empire and promoting your name the way Trumo has and over decades is considerably tougher than coming up with an idea during the dot-com bubble and selling out at the peak. Not saying he was lucky, but he got hit at the absolute right time.
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Don't you think her actions speak louder that her "calculated lies" though? Even guy have to admit that she's done a poor job as Secretary of State. That's like being promoted CEO after doing a excrement job for years, and just the fact that you've been here the longest should make you the most qualified? That's dumb logic.
I've no real opinion on her track record as SoS. I hope you're not referring to Benghazi.
Trump has actual accomplishments. Granted he wasn't completely self-made, but it took a hell of a lot of work. Cuban likes to go after him, but building a real estate empire and promoting your name the way Trumo has and over decades is considerably tougher than coming up with an idea during the dot-com bubble and selling out at the peak. Not saying he was lucky, but he got hit at the absolute right time.
I'm not convinced that a talent for self promotion is the number one characteristic I look for in a world leader. And if you're going to hold up his successes as evidence of his suitability for the job, then by definition you have to also consider his extensive list of failures as evidence to the contrary. After all, I've only ever had sex with ridiculously attractive girls as long as you disregard all of the ugly and mediocre ones I've had sex with.
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I don't think she's a pathological liar, I think she's a calculated cynical liar. The lies she tells are planned and have a specific purpose, whereas he just blurts out complete bullshit as a matter of course without any consideration for what he's trying to achieve or how easily he's going to get shown up for it.
What about her lying about being under sniper fire in Bosnia. She had absolutely nothing to gain by lying about that, yet she spoke with conviction that she was actually in danger. Even when they exposed her lie all she had to say was that she "made a mistake".
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I've no real opinion on her track record as SoS. I hope you're not referring to Benghazi.
I'm not convinced that a talent for self promotion is the number one characteristic I look for in a world leader. And if you're going to hold up his successes as evidence of his suitability for the job, then by definition you have to also consider his extensive list of failures as evidence to the contrary. After all, I've only ever had sex with ridiculously attractive girls as long as you disregard all of the ugly and mediocre ones I've had sex with.
The Trump Organization has 515 subsidiaries. They can't all be successful, and a few have went under. So what? If you banged 515 girls, and a few happened to be fatties, I doubt anyone would question your pickup skills.
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What about her lying about being under sniper fire in Bosnia. She had absolutely nothing to gain by lying about that, yet she spoke with conviction that she was actually in danger. Even when they exposed her lie all she had to say was that she "made a mistake".
Of course she stood to gain. I would have thought that that's one of the easier ones to figure out - one of the first knocks against a female candidate in the US would be her ability to be a strong leader of the Armed Forces.
The Trump Organization has 515 subsidiaries. They can't all be successful, and a few have went under. So what? If you banged 515 girls, and a few happened to be fatties, I doubt anyone would question your pickup skills.
He took his highest profile businesses into Chapter 11 four times. Another of his companies is being investigated by the Attorney General for deliberately swindling innocent members of the public out of large amounts of their own money. If you were interviewing him for CEO of a midsized corporation you'd have very serious misgivings about hiring him, the idea that you'd consider him capable of running your country is lunacy.
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Of course she stood to gain. I would have thought that that's one of the easier ones to figure out - one of the first knocks against a female candidate in the US would be her ability to be a strong leader of the Armed Forces.
He took his highest profile businesses into Chapter 11 four times. Another of his companies is being investigated by the Attorney General for deliberately swindling innocent members of the public out of large amounts of their own money. If you were interviewing him for CEO of a midsized corporation you'd have very serious misgivings about hiring him, the idea that you'd consider him capable of running your country is lunacy.
Do you even know what Chapter 11 is? Its mainly debt restructuring, and many companies do it. Trump acted like any investor would, and just reduced his stake to pay off some of the debt. It's not like those businesses closed down. So 6 chapter 11 restructurings and several other failed business ventures out of 515 ain't bad. That's close to a 99pct success rate in all his businesses. I work with a lot of restructuring teams at major investment banks and can give you a crash course in layman's terms if you'd like. Most of the population have no fuckn clue what Chapter 11 even means.
Besides, he turned a loan from his father into a multibillon dollar global enterprise and brand. What has Hilary done? Trump Organization also employs 22,000 people. Hilary employs 823 staffers. Trump has been a consistently successful entrepreneur for 40 years. To deny his accomplishments is petty. You're better than that.
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I don't think she's a pathological liar, I think she's a calculated cynical liar. The lies she tells are planned and have a specific purpose, whereas he just blurts out complete bullshit as a matter of course without any consideration for what he's trying to achieve or how easily he's going to get shown up for it.
If she's so calculated how come she keeps getting caught doing stupid excrement (which really, in itself isn't usually that bad) and then lies/covers it up to make it worse?
She's actually a horrible liar.
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Do you even know what Chapter 11 is? Its mainly debt restructuring, and many companies do it. Trump acted like any investor would, and just reduced his stake to pay off some of the debt. It's not like those businesses closed down. So 6 chapter 11 restructurings and several other failed business ventures out of 515 ain't bad. That's close to a 99pct success rate in all his businesses. I work with a lot of restructuring teams at major investment banks and can give you a crash course in layman's terms if you'd like. Most of the population have no fuckn clue what Chapter 11 even means.
Besides, he turned a loan from his father into a multibillon dollar global enterprise and brand. What has Hilary done? Trump Organization also employs 22,000 people. Hilary employs 823 staffers. Trump has been a consistently successful entrepreneur for 40 years. To deny his accomplishments is petty. You're better than that.
I'm fully aware of what Chapter 11 is, how it works and why companies do it. I've worked for American companies in an industry dominated by American companies for pretty much all of my career.
Companies don't invoke Chapter 11 because things are going well, they do it because their debts are not under control and they need breathing room to restructure them. This is not the sign of a well run business. And this wasn't pissy little side projects, it was his core businesses.
All of which massively overlooks the fact that the USA is not a corporation, Trump isn't a politician and his suitability to run the country is massively and wildly deficient. Thankfully, most people seem perfectly capable of seeing that.
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If she's so calculated how come she keeps getting caught doing stupid excrement (which really, in itself isn't usually that bad) and then lies/covers it up to make it worse?
She's actually a horrible liar.
I didn't say she was good at it, I said that she was a different type of liar to Trump. I think I've been at pains to say, for quite some time, that I don't like her very much at all. I would rather she get elected than Trump but that's like saying I'd rather be punched in the nose than kicked in the balls. I think they're both pretty hideous options, she's just slightly less hideous.
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I'm fully aware of what Chapter 11 is, how it works and why companies do it. I've worked for American companies in an industry dominated by American companies for pretty much all of my career.
Companies don't invoke Chapter 11 because things are going well, they do it because their debts are not under control and they need breathing room to restructure them. This is not the sign of a well run business. And this wasn't pissy little side projects, it was his core businesses.
All of which massively overlooks the fact that the USA is not a corporation, Trump isn't a politician and his suitability to run the country is massively and wildly deficient. Thankfully, most people seem perfectly capable of seeing that.
Most of those restructurings were the result of Atlantic City going to excrement. Besides, those companies are still in business, and, again, those were out of 515 companies under his umbrella.
Right, the U.S. isn't a corporation, but I'd rather have a successful businessman at the helm who has created wealth and jobs than another career politician. Picking on a few restructuring cases over the last 25 years while overlooking everything about Clinton is proof enough that you're so blinded by your hatred of the guy that you can't see things for what they are. You really should know better, but you let your biases take over.
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If she's so calculated how come she keeps getting caught doing stupid excrement (which really, in itself isn't usually that bad) and then lies/covers it up to make it worse?
She's actually a horrible liar.
Because Democrats give her a pass, partially out of their fear of Republicans.
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overlooking everything about Clinton is proof enough that you're so blinded by your hatred of the guy that you can't see things for what they are. You really should know better, but you let your biases take over.
I think it's the other way round, Tommy. I don't know how much more clear I can be in my dislike of Clinton, but you're apparently convinced that because I can't stand Trump I must love Clinton.
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I think it's the other way round, Tommy. I don't know how much more clear I can be in my dislike of Clinton, but you're apparently convinced that because I can't stand Trump I must love Clinton.
But you're not throwing around links about her like you do Trump even though she has far more incriminating stuff about her.
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But you're not throwing around links about her like you do Trump even though she has far more incriminating stuff about her.
Because she's just unpleasant. Trump is funny because he's so stupid.
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JE, no matter how hard you try you cannot Stump the Trump
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JE, no matter how hard you try you cannot Stump the Trump
The beautiful thing is that I don't have to, he's a self-defeating candidate. I'm just enjoying watching him lighting his own pyre.
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But you're not throwing around links about her like you do Trump even though she has far more incriminating stuff about her.
agreed.
that was my larger point. Loses credibility right there
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Hillary is dirtier than Trump, she's done some shady excrement and come out smelling like a rose. That said, I dislike him more than her, he's a loud mouth bully bundle of sticks that deserves a real life punch in his face, a broken nose, to shut him and his big fat stupid mouth up.
I can't wait to not vote for either of these two cunts in the coming election they both suck swamp derriere. I honestly can't believe these are the two main candidates from a country of over 300 million people. It's downright embarrassing. Too bad Ford is a dead Canadian, he would have been a great compliment to these two jackasses.
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Money allows you to be a queynte.
having a kid grow up with money is one of the worst things you can do to him if unmitigated.
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Why wouldn't he? He's supposed to spend money to hold events on someone else's property? Government loves to spend our money on frivolous sh*t, Trump is spending his own so he tries not to waste it, what a concept.
He loaned himself the money. He spent 10% (about 1 million) paying himself. The entirety of the loan can, and most assuredly will, be paid off from money he eventually fund raises.
At the end of the day that 10% is pure profit, as in, he is taking campaign funding and putting it in his pocket. That is entirely illegal, or at the very least, corrupt as excrement. If his lie about self funding his election were even remotely true, he wouldn't have charged himself to use his own freaking tower.
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My wife is watching Lip Sync Battle, which is generally pretty painful, but the one with Josh Gad doing Trump is freaking hilarious.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X4kGhL096II
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He loaned himself the money. He spent 10% (about 1 million) paying himself. The entirety of the loan can, and most assuredly will, be paid off from money he eventually fund raises.
At the end of the day that 10% is pure profit, as in, he is taking campaign funding and putting it in his pocket. That is entirely illegal, or at the very least, corrupt as excrement. If his lie about self funding his election were even remotely true, he wouldn't have charged himself to use his own freaking tower.
He just filed to forgive the $50 million loan he gave to his campaign, so no
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He just filed to forgive the $50 million loan he gave to his campaign, so no
Pretty sure he didn't have a choice once the truth came out. Either way, good.
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Pretty sure he didn't have a choice once the truth came out. Either way, good.
The whole "Trump paid himself" is such a weak argument, and I'm surprised (not surprised) you keep running with it. The man owns properties where he can host events. Why in the world would he choose another country club that will likely overcharge him than one of his own? And, by the way, these are still businesses, so he isn't hosting for free and pocketing the money. That's not how it works. If his club hosts his event that means they're not hosting another event. It costs money. You obviously have no clue how business works, and are just regurgitating excrement you probably read on Daily Kos, or heard from Rachel Maddow.
But please continue to spew your bullshit rhetoric.
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Yeah, Trump is the greedy one:
http://thesmokinggun.com/file/hillary-speeches
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I love when people use the "but the other one is shittier" argument to justify a major party candidate. The average American voter is a retarded sheep.
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I love when people use the "but the other one is shittier" argument to justify a major party candidate. The average American voter is a retarded sheep.
Word
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I love when people use the "but the other one is shittier" argument to justify a major party candidate. The average American voter is a retarded sheep.
That depends, we're down to two choices now and one is clearly a criminal. So you do have to factor that in, even if you don't like the other one a whole lot.
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That depends, we're down to two choices now and one is clearly a criminal. So you do have to factor that in, even if you don't like the other one a whole lot.
I'll factor it in as much as I'm just not voting for that candidate.
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That depends, we're down to two choices now and one is clearly a criminal. So you do have to factor that in, even if you don't like the other one a whole lot.
Don't be shocked when there are more than two names on your baaallot in November.
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Don't be shocked when there are more than two names on your baaallot in November.
Know wai
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Don't be shocked when there are more than two names on your baaallot in November.
All but two have no chance of winning. Like the Jets in the AFC East until Brady retires.
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All but two have no chance of winning. Like the Jets in the AFC East until Brady retires.
Bless your heart.
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Bless your heart.
It feels slightly more pathetic when Democrats take that position. I've heard some usually smart people sound really stupid in their rants taking that position.
I think there is still a fear of Trump present in some cases, but others not so much.
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It feels slightly more pathetic when Democrats take that position. I've heard some usually smart people sound really stupid in their rants taking that position.
I think there is still a fear of Trump present in some cases, but others not so much.
It's a million times more pathetic when Democrats do it this year. Trump has zero chance of winning as it stands right now. There's no cause for fear. The media sells it, but the numbers don't bear it out.
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Trump has zero chance of winning as it stands right now. There's no cause for fear. The media sells it, but the numbers don't bear it out.
Feel like we've been hearing that for a year now..
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Brexit has zero chance of winning as it stands right now. There's no cause for fear. The media sells it, but the numbers don't bear it out.
Changed one word.
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Call me when a third party wins the White House.
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There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
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Call me when a third party wins the White House.
Baaaa
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Call me when a third party wins the White House.
5 pacent? I'll give ya 5 pacent rule right ear!
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Call me when a third party wins the White House.
Ladies and gentlemen, your average American hoo-ha.
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Call me when a third party wins the White House.
I mean a basic knowledge of American history would tell you both current major parties started out as third parties.
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I mean a basic knowledge of American history would tell you both current major parties started out as third parties.
Ahhh don't confuse him with little things called facts.
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It's a million times more pathetic when Democrats do it this year. Trump has zero chance of winning as it stands right now. There's no cause for fear. The media sells it, but the numbers don't bear it out.
Well some have compared Trumps run to Brexit. Fear of immigration, protecting the borders, and frustration with an economic policy where people are forced to bare responsibility for those who are irresponsible financially.
I don't think Trump wins as things currently stand, I'd consider him a long shot. But he's absolutely got a chance because there's a ton of people clamoring for what he offers
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The whole "Trump paid himself" is such a weak argument, and I'm surprised (not surprised) you keep running with it. The man owns properties where he can host events. Why in the world would he choose another country club that will likely overcharge him than one of his own? And, by the way, these are still businesses, so he isn't hosting for free and pocketing the money. That's not how it works. If his club hosts his event that means they're not hosting another event. It costs money. You obviously have no clue how business works, and are just regurgitating excrement you probably read on Daily Kos, or heard from Rachel Maddow.
But please continue to spew your bullshit rhetoric.
For fucks sake man. He owns the place. He charged himself. It's a moot point now that the bullshit found the light of day and he was forced to pony up.
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Im sure most of you have seen this, but Trump has been pretty consistent when it comes to trade.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZpMJeynBeg
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Im sure most of you have seen this, but Trump has been pretty consistent when it comes to trade.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZpMJeynBeg
consistently stupid. The guy is clueless about broader macroeconomic concepts.
Like understanding what a trade deficit really is
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consistently stupid. The guy is clueless about broader macroeconomic concepts.
Like understanding what a trade deficit really is
How so?
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Important to note that the CFRB is a completely non-partisan think tank focused entirely on matters financial, and its board of directors has former Congressmen from both sides of the House.
http://crfb.org/papers/promises-and-price-tags-fiscal-guide-2016-election
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https://twitter.com/hashtag/TrumpGirlsBreakTheInternet?src=hash
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https://twitter.com/hashtag/TrumpGirlsBreakTheInternet?src=hash
I have no idea what's going on here.
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I have no idea what's going on here.
Hot chicks posting pictures of themselves in Trump gear with the hashtag #TrumpGirlsBreakTheInternet to counter the idea that all women love Hillary. Pissed off liberals posting photos of KKK members, animals, rednecks, and Nazis with the same hashtag.
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Hot chicks posting pictures of themselves in Trump gear with the hashtag #TrumpGirlsBreakTheInternet to counter the idea that all women love Hillary. Pissed off liberals posting photos of KKK members, animals, rednecks, and Nazis with the same hashtag.
Oh god.
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I find break the internet as annoying as Pope finds get hype. My internet works no matter who posts slutty pics that day.
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I find break the internet as annoying as Pope finds get hype. My internet works no matter who posts slutty pics that day.
#HypeTheInternet
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https://twitter.com/hashtag/TrumpGirlsBreakTheInternet?src=hash
That's a fantastic source of beat off material for even the most moderate trump supporter.
That's probably Donald Trump's new source of beat off material.
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That's a fantastic source of beat off material for even the most moderate trump supporter.
That's probably Donald Trump's new source of beat off material.
Nah, he steakurbates with Trump Steaks.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/286083-rasmussen-poll-trump-holds-4-point-lead
Trump victory confirmed
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I'm sure this was totally on the up and up:
US Attorney General Loretta Lynch, Bill Clinton meet privately in Phoenix before Benghazi report
Christopher Sign
9:50 AM, Jun 29, 2016
PHOENIX - Amid an ongoing investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of email and hours before the public release of the Benghazi report, US Attorney General Loretta Lynch met privately with former President Bill Clinton.
The private meeting took place on the west side of Sky Harbor International Airport on board a parked private plane.
Former President Clinton was visiting the Phoenix area and arrived to Sky Harbor Monday evening to depart.
Sources tell ABC15 Clinton was notified Lynch would be arriving at the airport soon and waited for her arrival.
Lynch was arriving in Phoenix for a planned visit as part of her national tour to promote community policing.
ABC15 asked Lynch about the meeting during her news conference at the Phoenix Police Department.
"I did see President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as he was leaving and spoke to myself and my husband on the plane," said Lynch.
The private meeting comes as Lynch's office is in charge of the ongoing investigation and potential charges involving Clinton's email server.
The private meeting also occurred hours before the Benghazi report was released publicly involving Hillary Clinton and President Obama's administration.
Lynch said the private meeting on the tarmac did not involve these topics.
"Our conversation was a great deal about grandchildren, it was primarily social about our travels and he mentioned golf he played in Phoenix," said Lynch Tuesday afternoon while speaking at the Phoenix Police Department.
Sources say the private meeting at the airport lasted around 30 minutes.
"There was no discussion on any matter pending before the Department or any matter pending with any other body, there was no discussion of Benghazi, no discussion of State Department emails, by way of example I would say it was current news of the day, the Brexit decision and what it would mean," she said.
Copyright 2016 Scripps Media, Inc. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
ABC 15 News Phoenix (http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/loretta-lynch-bill-clinton-meet-privately-in-phoenix)
So it's up to Lynch whether Hillary Clinton will be charged for exposing national security secrets to hide her and Bill's corrupt foundation. Bill got Lynch her break back in the day, they're old friends and she will be totally objective. And they spent 30 minutes discussing their grandkids except she doesn't have any kids.
Trying to figure out if this is blatant stupidity, arrogance or both.
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I'm sure this was totally on the up and up:
ABC 15 News Phoenix (http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/loretta-lynch-bill-clinton-meet-privately-in-phoenix)
So it's up to Lynch whether Hillary Clinton will be charged for exposing national security secrets to hide her and Bill's corrupt foundation. Bill got Lynch her break back in the day, they're old friends and she will be totally objective. And they spent 30 minutes discussing their grandkids except she doesn't have any kids.
Trying to figure out if this is blatant stupidity, arrogance or both.
I don't know how there aren't constant news stories surrounding this. The press gave more coverage on the Trump U thing than this excrement.
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I don't know how there aren't constant news stories surrounding this. The press gave more coverage on the Trump U thing than this excrement.
But the steaks doe
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I don't know how there aren't constant news stories surrounding this. The press gave more coverage on the Trump U thing than this excrement.
We know why. Think how bad it was when three networks controlled almost all of the news; it coincides exactly with the growth of the liberal agenda, from the 30s on up.
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We know why. Think how bad it was when three networks controlled almost all of the news; it coincides exactly with the growth of the liberal agenda, from the 30s on up.
Hey! It's 6 companies. Get it right.
I bet Bill fucked Loretta stupid. All 3 holes, babby.
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I don't know how there aren't constant news stories surrounding this. The press gave more coverage on the Trump U thing than this excrement.
Trump is viewed as the enemy of journalists right now, and with good reason. He's excrement on them constantly and said he'd stop short of killing them, but they're scum.
The problem is, the media has gotten offended and decided that their number one responsibility to the truth doesn't hold up because they're mad at Trump. It's supposed to be their job, but major media only pursues the truth when convenient. Most major news leans left to begin with, but even the conservative outlets don't want to come down on Trump's side. Hillary has them all in her corner now. It's one of Trump's biggest failings.
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Now? LOL
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Now? LOL
Yes, now.
The media has hated Trump since he started his campaign, but most conservative news outlets avoided throwing support to Hillary while there was still a hope of a different nominee for the Republican Party. She has always had the left in her corner obviously, but she didn't avoid attacks and condemnation from the right wing media until the alternative was Trump. Therefore, NOW she has them implicitly in her corner as evidenced by the absence of the same level of vitriolic condemnation she would otherwise receive. It's a position most Democrat nominees have never tasted.
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Yes, now.
The media has hated Trump since he started his campaign, but most conservative news outlets avoided throwing support to Hillary while there was still a hope of a different nominee for the Republican Party. She has always had the left in her corner obviously, but she didn't avoid attacks and condemnation from the right wing media until the alternative was Trump. Therefore, NOW she has them implicitly in her corner as evidenced by the absence of the same level of vitriolic condemnation she would otherwise receive. It's a position most Democrat nominees have never tasted.
Heil Hillary!
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The mainstream media has always been and always will be firmly in the Democrats corner no matter who the nominees are. Many of them are the same people who change jobs between Democrat political staffs and media positions.
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The mainstream media has always been and always will be firmly in the Democrats corner no matter who the nominees are. Many of them are the same people who change jobs between Democrat political staffs and media positions.
Have you seen the CNN political panel? Most are either current or former democratic strategists. Axlerod is actually the most level headed. Anderson Cooper is pretty good at being unbiased as well.
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The mainstream media has always been and always will be firmly in the Democrats corner no matter who the nominees are. Many of them are the same people who change jobs between Democrat political staffs and media positions.
CNN, MSNBC, etc yes. That's why I said "most major news leans left". Right now, however, even the traditionally conservative mainstream outlets have eased off their criticism of Hillary. She's being treated with kid gloves which no other Democratic nominee has ever dealt with. That's a product of Trump as the nominee on the other side.
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CNN, MSNBC, etc yes. That's why I said "most major news leans left". Right now, however, even the traditionally conservative mainstream outlets have eased off their criticism of Hillary. She's being treated with kid gloves which no other Democratic nominee has ever dealt with. That's a product of Trump as the nominee on the other side.
Probably doesn't help that Trump basically attacked fox news for a while.
Not to mention the right wing news tends to hire former right wing party guys, and the party doesn't like Trump as he's pretty poor for business
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The FBI is making this an election right now.
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The FBI is making this an election right now.
Didn't they say they don't recommend charges?
Didn't seem thst bad
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Didn't they say they don't recommend charges?
Didn't seem thst bad
"but he added Clinton and her aides were "extremely careless" in handling classified information."
Yeah, she goes around saying that Trump is unfit to be President, yet she was extremely careless as Secretary of State. If I did something like that in my job I'd be fired immediately, not considered for a role as CEO of the company.
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CNN, MSNBC, etc yes. That's why I said "most major news leans left". Right now, however, even the traditionally conservative mainstream outlets have eased off their criticism of Hillary. She's being treated with kid gloves which no other Democratic nominee has ever dealt with. That's a product of Trump as the nominee on the other side.
The media in general have a love/hate with Trump because he brings ratings and attention, yet he's a Republican so they must try to defeat him.
If you think Hillary is being treated with "kid gloves which no other Democratic nominee has ever dealt with", you must have blocked out 2008. Obama was hailed as the world savior, thrills going up legs, all kinds of crazy sh*t.
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"but he added Clinton and her aides were "extremely careless" in handling classified information."
Yeah, she goes around saying that Trump is unfit to be President, yet she was extremely careless as Secretary of State. If I did something like that in my job I'd be fired immediately, not considered for a role as CEO of the company.
At best grossly incompetent, at worst a criminal.
Can't go to bat for everything Trump says and does, but his resume is a lot better than hers.
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The FBI is making this an election right now.
You should post the full statement from the FBI.
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At best grossly incompetent, at worst a criminal.
Can't go to bat for everything Trump says and does, but his resume is a lot better than hers.
Can't wait for him to bring this all up in the debates.
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The media in general have a love/hate with Trump because he brings ratings and attention, yet he's a Republican so they must try to defeat him.
If you think Hillary is being treated with "kid gloves which no other Democratic nominee has ever dealt with", you must have blocked out 2008. Obama was hailed as the world savior, thrills going up legs, all kinds of crazy sh*t.
I can't tell if you're intentionally misreading my posts. The left leaning media has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying. You keep bringing up leftist media when it's irrelevant. CNN, MSNBC, et al will always support Democrats. They fawned over Obama. All true, all completely irrelevant to what I'm saying. I keep mentioning Fox News and the other right wing outlets, and you seem to think they're indistinct from their left leaning brethren.
Obama was most certainly not treated with kid gloves by Fox News. If you think that's the case, I suggest you're the one who doesn't remember 2008. It was fear mongering on a grand scale. Hillary has gotten off WAY easier than Obama, Kerry, and Gore did. That has everything to do with the right wing of MSM getting an undesirable Republican candidate and their battles with Trump.
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Didn't they say they don't recommend charges?
Didn't seem thst bad
They don't recommend charges because others in the past haven't been charged for similar offenses, but she absolutely fucked up according to them and was reckless with classified material which almost certainly fell into the hands of hostile states. That's political indictment right there even if not legal indictment.
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https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/688917116314120192
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Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,” Comey said in a news conference.
Still trying to understand what this means, no luck so far.
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They don't recommend charges because others in the past haven't been charged for similar offenses, but she absolutely fucked up according to them and was reckless with classified material which almost certainly fell into the hands of hostile states. That's political indictment right there even if not legal indictment.
And her punishment is going to be being president for tbe next ř years.
What a country
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https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/688917116314120192
Hahaha
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I can't tell if you're intentionally misreading my posts. The left leaning media has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying. You keep bringing up leftist media when it's irrelevant. CNN, MSNBC, et al will always support Democrats. They fawned over Obama. All true, all completely irrelevant to what I'm saying. I keep mentioning Fox News and the other right wing outlets, and you seem to think they're indistinct from their left leaning brethren.
Obama was most certainly not treated with kid gloves by Fox News. If you think that's the case, I suggest you're the one who doesn't remember 2008. It was fear mongering on a grand scale. Hillary has gotten off WAY easier than Obama, Kerry, and Gore did. That has everything to do with the right wing of MSM getting an undesirable Republican candidate and their battles with Trump.
I think you're including more segmented outlets than I am. I'm talking about the mainstream networks that reach people who aren't following politics day to day and pick up on headlines. Someone who doesn't have time or doesn't give a sh*t sees a CNN chyron headline on a mute screen while waiting for their plane and that's the extent of what they might get on a certain story. Obviously Fox has a different slant, and conservative radio even further, I'm not talking about them. The only people listening to them normally already agree with what they're saying.
Trump is such a known figure to many people in the media that a lot of them already had a preconceived like or hatred for him, I don't think anything he's said in the campaign has created anything different. For example if you watch Fox, O'Reilly and Hannity have known him for decades and like him, in between them is Megyn Kelly who had the rift and was trashing him for months. Howie Kurtz and Jeannine Pirro are old friends, Krauthammer hates him. You pretty much have to factor that in when you see what they're saying about him. On talk radio, Rush Limbaugh is his buddy, Mark Levin is all about policy, so he trashes Trump for being too liberal, he did the same thing with Romney, McCain and Bush. It's not like Trump has made some major mistake with the media to turn everyone against him, I don't buy that for a minute.
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https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/688917116314120192
Irony
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/750389987917508608
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https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/688917116314120192
Not sure how that's relevant. Can I suggest that people take Badger's advice and read the whole FBI statement (which can be found here (https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b.-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system)) rather than just jumping on the nuanced soundbites that suit the agenda of whichever news outlet they've been listening to?
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Not sure how that's relevant. Can I suggest that people take Badger's advice and read the whole FBI statement (which can be found here (https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b.-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system)) rather than just jumping on the nuanced soundbites that suit the agenda of whichever news outlet they've been listening to?
Oh you mean the stuff you do before you spout off crap about Trump and Republicans that you've heard from Rachel Maddow?
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Oh you mean the stuff you do before you spout off crap about Trump and Republicans that you've heard from Rachel Maddow?
Dude, I don't even get MSNBC up here. I watch CP24 and the CBC. I get all of my unbiased news from Think Progress and HuffPo.
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Not sure how that's relevant. Can I suggest that people take Badger's advice and read the whole FBI statement (which can be found here (https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b.-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system)) rather than just jumping on the nuanced soundbites that suit the agenda of whichever news outlet they've been listening to?
Thanks, I missed this one first time around:
To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions.
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Dude, I don't even get MSNBC up here. I watch CP24 and the CBC. I get all of my unbiased news from Think Progress and HuffPo.
Lololol
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I think you're including more segmented outlets than I am. I'm talking about the mainstream networks that reach people who aren't following politics day to day and pick up on headlines. Someone who doesn't have time or doesn't give a sh*t sees a CNN chyron headline on a mute screen while waiting for their plane and that's the extent of what they might get on a certain story. Obviously Fox has a different slant, and conservative radio even further, I'm not talking about them. The only people listening to them normally already agree with what they're saying.
Trump is such a known figure to many people in the media that a lot of them already had a preconceived like or hatred for him, I don't think anything he's said in the campaign has created anything different. For example if you watch Fox, O'Reilly and Hannity have known him for decades and like him, in between them is Megyn Kelly who had the rift and was trashing him for months. Howie Kurtz and Jeannine Pirro are old friends, Krauthammer hates him. You pretty much have to factor that in when you see what they're saying about him. On talk radio, Rush Limbaugh is his buddy, Mark Levin is all about policy, so he trashes Trump for being too liberal, he did the same thing with Romney, McCain and Bush. It's not like Trump has made some major mistake with the media to turn everyone against him, I don't buy that for a minute.
Fox News isn't mainstream? Oh, ok. It's only the number one news network and for a period this year was the most watched cable network period for more than a month.
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/ratings-fox-news-channel-most-watched-cable-network-five-straight-weeks-1201712763/
Trump hasn't said anything to turn additional media against him? Oh, ok. He only used his rhetorical style of stopping just short of being truly out of control when expressing his hatred:
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-killing-reporters-vladimir-putin-2015-12
My mistake.
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Fox News isn't mainstream? Oh, ok. It's only the number one news network and for a period this year was the most watched cable network period for more than a month.
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/ratings-fox-news-channel-most-watched-cable-network-five-straight-weeks-1201712763/
Trump hasn't said anything to turn additional media against him? Oh, ok. He only used his rhetorical style of stopping just short of being truly out of control when expressing his hatred:
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-killing-reporters-vladimir-putin-2015-12
My mistake.
You can call Fox mainstream if you want, that's up to you. They are the only big Republican leaning outlet so they aren't splitting their audience up as much as the rest of the major networks. My point is nothing Trump has said or done has really changed how the media was going to cover him. Not that he hasn't said it, I just don't think it changed anything.
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Thanks, I missed this one first time around:
You're very welcome, glad I could help you to continue to miss the point of reading the entire statement and simply give you an opportunity to cherry pick another soundbite to make it sound like he was saying something different.
The overarching thing I take from that is that neither the State Department nor Clinton's own team did a very good job of managing technology. She's a 68 year old woman, she's five years older than my Mum and my Mum has only just figured out how to send an email. She has not the first clue how it works and I wouldn't expect Hillary to either. In fact, running a dedicated server for her personal email is a pretty good idea. The way they did it wasn't.
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Then she probably shouldn't be President in 2017 and into the 2020s.
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You're very welcome, glad I could help you to continue to miss the point of reading the entire statement and simply give you an opportunity to cherry pick another soundbite to make it sound like he was saying something different.
The overarching thing I take from that is that neither the State Department nor Clinton's own team did a very good job of managing technology. She's a 68 year old woman, she's five years older than my Mum and my Mum has only just figured out how to send an email. She has not the first clue how it works and I wouldn't expect Hillary to either. In fact, running a dedicated server for her personal email is a pretty good idea. The way they did it wasn't.
Seriously? She's old so she gets a pass? Why the freak would you consider her for the President of the U.S. if she's too incompetent to figure out email. If part of your job responsibilities require you to send and receive thousands of emails with classified information, and you are to dumb to figure out how to use email or to get someone on your extensive staff to train you how to use it properly, guess what, you're not freaking qualified for the job. she knew very well what she was doing and that it was against the law. Pretty sure you have to sign documents detailing those policies before entering into office.
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Then she probably shouldn't be President in 2017 and into the 2020s.
This. Net neutrality is one of the most important issues that will be brought up again during hrr presidency. How can she have an opinion on the matter if she doesnt understand it.
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Seriously? She's old so she gets a pass? Why the freak would you consider her for the President of the U.S. if she's too incompetent to figure out email. If part of your job responsibilities require you to send and receive thousands of emails with classified information, and you are to dumb to figure out how to use email or to get someone on your extensive staff to train you how to use it properly, guess what, you're not freaking qualified for the job. she knew very well what she was doing and that it was against the law. Pretty sure you have to sign documents detailing those policies before entering into office.
Again, not sure if you either didn't read the statement or you don't understand how different email services work. She's not without blame because it's her team who fucked up, but do you actually expect the Secretary of State to run his or her own email service? People in those jobs have huge staffs. The staff fucked up by a) not running her private email service properly, and b) not ensuring that she used it correctly. Did you see that both Rice and Powell used public email services for their personal email, and that both were found to have used those addresses for classified email?
This. Net neutrality is one of the most important issues that will be brought up again during hrr presidency. How can she have an opinion on the matter if she doesnt understand it.
Net neutrality is a hugely important topic and it has absolutely freak all to do with technology.
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If she can't figure out email I hope the president of the United States doesn't need a blackberry or smartphone for anything.
Maybe she can just carry around a notepad and a pen
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Again, not sure if you either didn't read the statement or you don't understand how different email services work. She's not without blame because it's her team who fucked up, but do you actually expect the Secretary of State to run his or her own email service? People in those jobs have huge staffs. The staff fucked up by a) not running her private email service properly, and b) not ensuring that she used it correctly. Did you see that both Rice and Powell used public email services for their personal email, and that both were found to have used those addresses for classified email.
Well then I may be mistaken because I was under the impression that you aren't allowed to use a private email server from home to send classified information and work related emails as a federal employee. That's the way it works at my job. I can't access anything on their Internet server unless I'm sitting at my work desk and have entered all 93 of my passwords.
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Well then I may be mistaken because I was under the impression that you aren't allowed to use a private email server from home to send classified information and work related emails as a federal employee.
And she shouldn't have done, although it wasn't apparently a problem when Rice and Powell did it. But it's entirely possible that she has a single client for multiple mailboxes, and either accidentally sent using the wrong account or simply didn't realise the difference in how they operated. I really don't see anything nefarious here; it's careless on her part, but as I said I'm inclined to put most of the blame on her staff. It's their job to manage the mundanity of her daily operations, it's her job to be a politician.
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This. Net neutrality is one of the most important issues that will be brought up again during hrr presidency. How can she have an opinion on the matter if she doesnt understand it.
She's been on the right side of net neutrality. It's one of the things she gets right.
And have you seen the people who oppose it? It's hard to understand the Internet less than that group does.
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And she shouldn't have done, although it wasn't apparently a problem when Rice and Powell did it. But it's entirely possible that she has a single client for multiple mailboxes, and either accidentally sent using the wrong account or simply didn't realise the difference in how they operated. I really don't see anything nefarious here; it's careless on her part, but as I said I'm inclined to put most of the blame on her staff. It's their job to manage the mundanity of her daily operations, it's her job to be a politician.
Ignorance is not an excuse
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Ignorance is not an excuse
Glib platitudes don't explain comnplex problems
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I eat derriere for taste, not pleasure
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Glib platitudes don't explain comnplex problems
It's real amusing seeing you go out of your way to excuse Hillary for her gross negligence in a position of power within the government, yet will quickly shift to "lolz one of Trump's businesses filed for chapter 11."
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Using the wrong email account = gross negligence. Taking your largest enterprises into bankruptcy and being removed as CEO of your own company = shrewd businessman. Gotcha.
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Using the wrong email account to transmit classified information that could have been retrieved by foreign actors = gross negligence. Taking your largest enterprises into bankruptcy and being removed as CEO of your own company = shrewd businessman. Gotcha.
FTFY
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FTFY
If you really want to be accurate, = gross negligence on the part of whoever on her staff is entrusted to ensure that her communications are secure. And by the way, using a private mail server is a nuch better idea than a hosted service for reasons that should be fairly obvious. I don't know how secure her server was, but the Feds did say that they found no evidence of it having been accessed by unauthorised parties - although someone definitely needs to introduce her tech to DBAN.
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Even if it is her staffs fault. Who is responsible for hiring and making sure that their staff is competent and doing the right job the right way? If I run a company and my staff does all kinda of supremely neglectful stupid excrement does that make me innocent? When you're in charge you should be the first to get the blame
If she couldn't run her office (or whatever you'd like to call it) correctly what makes you think she could run the country correctly?
I'm not sure why you guys are arguing anyway. The FBI has flat out said she was grossly incompetent. I think we could all take them at their word. Nobody is arguing that Hillary should be president here, nor does any of this involve Trump.
Hillary is corrupt as all freaking hell, definitely 100% out of touch with reality, and probably incompetent.
Trump is a bunch of negative stuff too, just different ones than Hillary.
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Even if it is her staffs fault. Who is responsible for hiring and making sure that their staff is competent and doing the right job the right way? If I run a company and my staff does all kinda of supremely neglectful stupid excrement does that make me innocent? When you're in charge you should be the first to get the blame
If she couldn't run her office (or whatever you'd like to call it) correctly what makes you think she could run the country correctly?
I'm not sure why you guys are arguing anyway. The FBI has flat out said she was grossly incompetent. I think we could all take them at their word. Nobody is arguing that Hillary should be president here, nor does any of this involve Trump.
Hillary is corrupt as all freaking hell, definitely 100% out of touch with reality, and probably incompetent.
Trump is a bunch of negative stuff too, just different ones than Hillary.
I don't really disagree with most of that. I realise that people are determined to drive the "if you're not in this camp then you're in that one" agenda, but I think I've been fairly clear that I don't like Hillary, even if I do object to her less than Trump. I just don't think that this is the hill to die on if you're determined to prove her lack of suitability for the job.
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I don't really disagree with most of that. I realise that people are determined to drive the "if you're not in this camp then you're in that one" agenda, but I think I've been fairly clear that I don't like Hillary, even if I do object to her less than Trump. I just don't think that this is the hill to die on if you're determined to prove her lack of suitability for the job.
I don't think it's an end all. But it shows that she was grossly incompetent in the running of her office. The only thing that I think is a bigger issue is her significant corruption and that she represents the old way of doing things more so than any candidate in a very long time. She reminds me of Nixon (or at least how I perceive him since I wasn't actually alive when he was president)
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so...why hasn't Hillary Clinton been arrested yet?
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House Democrats grilled Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) about his party loyalty and his timeline for endorsing presumptive presidential nominee Hillary Clinton during a meeting Wednesday morning.
Sanders refused to offer a timeline for when he’ll endorse Clinton, despite questions from lawmakers — most of whom backed the former secretary of State early in the primary race.
While Sanders began the session with remarks resembling a typical stump speech, the session at times turned tense as lawmakers questioned his commitment to the Democratic Party, given that he has always identified as an independent. Politico reported that Democrats booed when Sanders said his goal is to “transform America” instead of win elections.
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Who the hell even wants to identify with a political party and have those in charge tell them how to think? Bernie is absolutely right.
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By the way, I don't buy the technologically challenged grandma defense. She has plenty of help with everything and they took great care to hide and destroy evidence, that's not the work of someone who can't log into their Yahoo account.
In the long run this whole scenario helps Trump. Hillary is great at playing the victim, now she doesn't get to do that. Even people who pay moderate attention saw two things in the past week--Bubba getting caught meeting secretly with the AG and days later Hillary gets let off after the riot act is read to her, while she's flying around with Obama on Air Force One. Comey even stated that anyone else would be punished for the same thing. It doesn't take Colombo to connect those dots.
Say what you want about Trump, he isn't stupid and he isn't shy. They've just given him a giant club to hammer Hillary with for the rest of the campaign. The juxtaposed videos of her statements and Comey's findings will air from now until November 8 and they need to.
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I'm trying to remember the last time there was more than 1 candidate I'd be ok with if they were elected. Hard enough to find one these days.
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I'm not voting for Trump or Hillary, but strictly from an entertainment standpoint, Trump is a beautiful son of a bitch.
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Hillary is banking on the American people to be stupid, apathetic, and afraid of Trump. So far it's working. I'm not sure it won't work long enough to get her elected. Hell, I think anyone who thinks one of them is the best option is an idiot, so I certainly agree with her characterization of the American public. If people weren't stupid and apathetic, neither Trump not Clinton would get elected. Instead we have people whining that they can't possibly vote for someone else who is on every damn ballot because none of their friends and neighbors will. We are a nation of morons.
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Hillary is banking on the American people to be stupid, apathetic, and afraid of Trump. So far it's working. I'm not sure it won't work long enough to get her elected. Hell, I think anyone who thinks one of them is the best option is an idiot, so I certainly agree with her characterization of the American public. If people weren't stupid and apathetic, neither Trump not Clinton would get elected. Instead we have people whining that they can't possibly vote for someone else who is on every damn ballot because none of their friends and neighbors will. We are a nation of morons.
That in short explains your politics. Most liberals think people are dumb and need to be led around by government, America was founded on the opposite premise.
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That in short explains your politics. Most liberals think people are dumb and need to be led around by government, America was founded on the opposite premise.
My politics? You should really quit posting in this thread. This post is irrelevant garbage.
For all the excrement dcm gets, your posts are far worse and show a startling lack of basic reading comprehension skills let alone any reason or insight. I can't imagine your contributions being serious. I guess I was wrong to hold you in higher regard than most people have for years.
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My politics are better than your politics, weiner face.
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That in short explains your politics. Most liberals think people are dumb and need to be led around by government, America was founded on the opposite premise.
IS, what did he say that was inaccurate. I wish I had a nickel every time some moron said I was, "just throwing away my vote" when I stated I was voting for Gary Johnson. So your post is completely wrong. It's not liberal or conservative not wanting to vote for either of those 2 candidates, the 2 most despicable in recent memory, excluding Palin because the stupid queynte was just a VP.
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My politics? You should really quit posting in this thread. This post is irrelevant garbage.
For all the excrement dcm gets, your posts are far worse and show a startling lack of basic reading comprehension skills let alone any reason or insight. I can't imagine your contributions being serious. I guess I was wrong to hold you in higher regard than most people have for years.
New York Meatsauce special
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IS, what did he say that was inaccurate. I wish I had a nickel every time some moron said I was, "just throwing away my vote" when I stated I was voting for Gary Johnson. So your post is completely wrong. It's not liberal or conservative not wanting to vote for either of those 2 candidates, the 2 most despicable in recent memory, excluding Palin because the stupid queynte was just a VP.
I've gotten the same thing when I suggest voting for Gary Johnson (or whatever libertarian ends up on the ticket) . Of course most of the time they forget how worthless their vote is considering NY only goes one color.
This could be the year where 3rd party is the most valuable it's ever been. Both parties tried to force feed a candidate down the publics throats even if the people didn't want them.
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Third Party candidates don't get enough exposure for the general public to even consider them. Ross Perot was allowed in some debates, and actually had a decent chance had he not dropped out prematurely.
The problem is that Trump and Hillary already have millions of followers and die-hard fans. It's tough for a third party candidate to break that even with a few debates. There's just not enough time to build momentum.
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IS, what did he say that was inaccurate. I wish I had a nickel every time some moron said I was, "just throwing away my vote" when I stated I was voting for Gary Johnson. So your post is completely wrong. It's not liberal or conservative not wanting to vote for either of those 2 candidates, the 2 most despicable in recent memory, excluding Palin because the stupid queynte was just a VP.
I didn't say he said anything inaccurate, I said his attitude that people are generally stupid--which he said--represents a lot of liberals. That's why they think everyone should be herded into conformity by big government.
He's certainly showing himself to be a pompous a*s intolerant of a different opinion, also a liberal trademark.
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I didn't say he said anything inaccurate, I said his attitude that people are generally stupid--which he said--represents a lot of liberals. That's why they think everyone should be herded into conformity by big government.
He's certainly showing himself to be a pompous a*s intolerant of a different opinion, also a liberal trademark.
I will use George Carlin," think of how dumb the average person is and then realize that 50 percent of the population is dumber."
Republicans aren't any better with regards to treating people like adults, in fact they're a good deal worse, again liberal, conservative is bullshit. In fact a conservative is more apt to pass legislation to protect people from themselves than a liberal. So your characterization is absolutely wrong.
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I didn't say he said anything inaccurate, I said his attitude that people are generally stupid--which he said--represents a lot of liberals. That's why they think everyone should be herded into conformity by big government.
He's certainly showing himself to be a pompous a*s intolerant of a different opinion, also a liberal trademark.
Reading your posts makes me realize why he thinks the American public is stupid
But on a serious note I think he's 100% right about the American public being apathetic and freaking morons.
And I've never been called liberal by anyone ever.
People being stupid doesn't mean government needs to make choices for them. It can also mean rich white people should make choices for them as well.
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Isn't this human nature? Everyone I've ever spoken who's had an opinion one way or another thought they were smarter than the majority of other voters.
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Isn't this human nature? Everyone I've ever spoken who's had an opinion one way or another thought they were smarter than the majority of other voters.
I won't speak for IJR but I'm not talking about people being intelligent politically.
I'm talking about people being flat out freaking stupid period.
Which I think is way way more common than it should be
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I didn't say he said anything inaccurate, I said his attitude that people are generally stupid--which he said--represents a lot of liberals. That's why they think everyone should be herded into conformity by big government.
He's certainly showing himself to be a pompous a*s intolerant of a different opinion, also a liberal trademark.
I'm a libertarian and a Gary Johnson supporter, and I've made it clear at every turn that I can't stand either major party, yet as soon as I say that Hillary is banking on people in IN HER OWN PARTY being too moronic to turn away from her and vote elsewhere, you say that it's a typical liberal attitude that shows my political views.
In other words, to you a liberal is someone who dislikes the Democrats and thinks all other liberals are freaking idiots voting for the wrong candidate. That's some of the worst reasoning I've seen from you in a long line of skull numbing inept conclusions, and it's why I said you're a freaking moron.
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Isn't this human nature? Everyone I've ever spoken who's had an opinion one way or another thought they were smarter than the majority of other voters.
If it's any consolation, I may think you're an poopchute, but I don't think you're a stupid voter.
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My politics are better than your politics, weiner face.
JACKASS. ILL KILL YOU
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JACKASS. ILL KILL YOU
Lol such an oldie but a goodie.
Wasn't that over Santana Moss?
Btw, Hillary is a freaking pig and we all learned yesterday that the Clintons are above the law. Shame.
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I don't know what I dread more. Hillary's policies or her dry Grandma yell when speaking.
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I don't know what I dread more. Hillary's policies or her dry Grandma yell when speaking.
I hate that annoying pointing and smiling thing she does.
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I don't know what I dread more. Hillary's policies or her dry Grandma yell when speaking.
Her policies probably won't be that horrible (except maybe for healthcare)
With her it's the backroom deals, and the insane amount of power that will be given to lobbyists and special interest groups
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Her policies probably won't be that horrible (except maybe for healthcare)
With her it's the backroom deals, and the insane amount of power that will be given to lobbyists and special interest groups
But we can all agree her voice causes derriere cancer in babies.
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Good on Trump to continue to defend the media's stupid obsession with the star on one of his images. How in the fuckn is that anti-Semitic anyway?
He tweeted a pic of a poster from the movie Frozen. Funny:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160707/63597794fcf78e48dff8d3817e3206bb.jpg)
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Meanwhile, with bills with bipartisan support on immigration, infrastructure, jobs, etc gathering dust, congressional Republicans are spending our money on another witch hunt.
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Good on Trump to continue to defend the media's stupid obsession with the star on one of his images. How in the fuckn is that anti-Semitic anyway?
He tweeted a pic of a poster from the movie Frozen. Funny:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160707/63597794fcf78e48dff8d3817e3206bb.jpg)
Don't be a freaking retrump. He retweeted the Hillary thing from a white supremacist. Add corrupt and a backdrop of cash, and that poster changes. I really shouldn't have to explain that to you.
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And lets not forget... The previous two SOS had private servers and this never came up. The previous POTUS scrubbed 5 million emails before he left office.
They didn't face this level of scrutiny because a Dem congress came in and tried to do their freaking jobs, debating and voting on laws.
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Don't be a freaking retrump. He retweeted the Hillary thing from a white supremacist. Add corrupt and a backdrop of cash, and that poster changes. I really shouldn't have to explain that to you.
What's wrong with the picture anyway? Absolutely nothing about it suggests any form of white supremacy. Your last post was complaining about a stupid witch hunt, and the Star of David manufactured controversy is the very same fuckn thing!
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I'm a libertarian and a Gary Johnson supporter, and I've made it clear at every turn that I can't stand either major party, yet as soon as I say that Hillary is banking on people in IN HER OWN PARTY being too moronic to turn away from her and vote elsewhere, you say that it's a typical liberal attitude that shows my political views.
In other words, to you a liberal is someone who dislikes the Democrats and thinks all other liberals are freaking idiots voting for the wrong candidate. That's some of the worst reasoning I've seen from you in a long line of skull numbing inept conclusions, and it's why I said you're a freaking moron.
I simply said your attitude that most people are stupid is common with the liberal ideology that they need to be managed by big government. My opinion that you are a liberal is from reading your posts, whatever you call yourself and whomever you support. Funny, most liberals don't think or admit they are liberals, they just think they are right about everything and you fit that description, too.
You're the same guy who smugly told me I live in a "New York bubble" completely clueless to the fact that I've lived all over the country. So pardon me if I've written you off as a know-it-all blowhard, it's all here in writing plain as day to see. A**hole.
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With her it's the backroom deals, and the insane amount of power that will be given to lobbyists and special interest groups
Yep. It's like when you're playing Mario Kart and you run over a speed boost. Now imagine you're a lobbyist.
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What's wrong with the picture anyway? Absolutely nothing about it suggests any form of white supremacy. Your last post was complaining about a stupid witch hunt, and the Star of David manufactured controversy is the very same fuckn thing!
Yes, exactly the same. I'm sure the rep congress will have a hearing any day now. Smh
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I know I'm not particularly articulate or known for having linguistic skills superior to that of a chimpanzee. But am I the only one who cringes terribly every time a grown derriere man (and not quite as bad but also a woman) says SMH.
I can't understand it at all, and I might even find it painful to read
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I simply said your attitude that most people are stupid is common with the liberal ideology that they need to be managed by big government. My opinion that you are a liberal is from reading your posts, whatever you call yourself and whomever you support. Funny, most liberals don't think or admit they are liberals, they just think they are right about everything and you fit that description, too.
You're the same guy who smugly told me I live in a "New York bubble" completely clueless to the fact that I've lived all over the country. So pardon me if I've written you off as a know-it-all blowhard, it's all here in writing plain as day to see. A**hole.
*I* said that.
You yelling at someone else for something I said, makes *you* an poopchute.
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I know I'm not particularly articulate or known for having linguistic skills superior to that of a chimpanzee. But am I the only one who cringes terribly every time a grown derriere man (and not quite as bad but also a woman) says SMH.
I can't understand it at all, and I might even find it painful to read
but what if it meant - Shanking My Homies?
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I know I'm not particularly articulate or known for having linguistic skills superior to that of a chimpanzee. But am I the only one who cringes terribly every time a grown derriere man (and not quite as bad but also a woman) says SMH.
I can't understand it at all, and I might even find it painful to read
It's really annoying.
Much like many overused, overexposed acronyms or phrases.
The fact it's frequently used by idiots and young people to react to something they don't understand or are ignorant about, makes it infinitely worse.
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I simply said your attitude that most people are stupid is common with the liberal ideology that they need to be managed by big government. My opinion that you are a liberal is from reading your posts, whatever you call yourself and whomever you support. Funny, most liberals don't think or admit they are liberals, they just think they are right about everything and you fit that description, too.
You're the same guy who smugly told me I live in a "New York bubble" completely clueless to the fact that I've lived all over the country. So pardon me if I've written you off as a know-it-all blowhard, it's all here in writing plain as day to see. A**hole.
K
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SMFH
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It's really annoying.
Much like many overused, overexposed acronyms or phrases.
The fact it's frequently used by idiots and young people to react to something they don't understand or are ignorant about, makes it infinitely worse.
DIAFF
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K
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I was showing this 18 year old Japanese chick around the city yesterday when I stopped by a Hillary canvassing booth on union square (had a giant fuckn cutout of the queynte too, so I had to go over and mock them). I asked if she's still using that stupid "I'm with HER" slogan after Trump owned her with his "I'm with YOU" and they flipped out. It was pretty funny. They asked if I supported Trump, and when I said I did then they asked if I was also a racist. I lost my excrement. We all started shouting at each other and a crowd forms. I turn around and the Japanese girl (who didn't understand wtf was going on because she can't speak English) was crying. That's when I decided to stop and move on.
I also took her to her first ever bar, bought her first ever beer, cider, cocktail, and shot of Jameson. Truly a great first NYC experience. We made out a little but nothing happened.
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How much are mail order brides these days?
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I was showing this 18 year old Japanese chick around the city yesterday when I stopped by a Hillary canvassing booth on union square (had a giant fuckn cutout of the queynte too, so I had to go over and mock them). I asked if she's still using that stupid "I'm with HER" slogan after Trump owned her with his "I'm with YOU" and they flipped out. It was pretty funny. They asked if I supported Trump, and when I said I did then they asked if I was also a racist. I lost my excrement. We all started shouting at each other and a crowd forms. I turn around and the Japanese girl (who didn't understand wtf was going on because she can't speak English) was crying. That's when I decided to stop and move on.
I also took her to her first ever bar, bought her first ever beer, cider, cocktail, and shot of Jameson. Truly a great first NYC experience. We made out a little but nothing happened.
Classic Tommy. Haha.
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Aren't you in your 30s? 18 seems a little weird.
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Aren't you in your 30s? 18 seems a little weird.
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It's ok she's Asian
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Aren't you in your 30s? 18 seems a little weird.
I'm 35. She was 2 when I started learning Japanese, and I'm closer to her mother's age than to her's. We laughed about that. She's not even cute and I didn't intend for it to turn out the way it did. Just wanted to show her around the city.
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Oh, that's OK then. When you put it like that it doesn't sound weird at all.
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If Tommy can convince this girl, young and in a country where she doesn't speak the language, to make a mistake that will haunt her for the rest of her life, and do so without any sense of compunction, more power to him.
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I was showing this 18 year old Japanese chick around the city yesterday when I stopped by a Hillary canvassing booth on union square (had a giant fuckn cutout of the queynte too, so I had to go over and mock them). I asked if she's still using that stupid "I'm with HER" slogan after Trump owned her with his "I'm with YOU" and they flipped out. It was pretty funny. They asked if I supported Trump, and when I said I did then they asked if I was also a racist. I lost my excrement. We all started shouting at each other and a crowd forms. I turn around and the Japanese girl (who didn't understand wtf was going on because she can't speak English) was crying. That's when I decided to stop and move on.
I also took her to her first ever bar, bought her first ever beer, cider, cocktail, and shot of Jameson. Truly a great first NYC experience. We made out a little but nothing happened.
I love everything about this post.
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I love everything about this post.
X2
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Am I the only one who is wondering how he brought an 18 year old who doesn't even speak English into a bar and bought her drinks?
Aren't they strict about checking ID and excrement in NYC
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Why exactly are you showing an 18 year old Japanese girl around NY
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Am I the only one who is wondering how he brought an 18 year old who doesn't even speak English into a bar and bought her drinks?
Aren't they strict about checking ID and excrement in NYC
Because I speak Japanese?
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Why exactly are you showing an 18 year old Japanese girl around NY
To get laid?
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To get laid?
I meant how did the opportunity arise? As in was this planned out or did you notice a lost tourist or something
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I meant how did the opportunity arise? As in was this planned out or did you notice a lost tourist or something
There's an app called HelloTallk that's used for people who want to language exchange. If you find people in your area it's basically a dating app.
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Because I speak Japanese?
Pretty sure you need to be 21 to buy alcohol though
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Pretty sure you need to be 21 to buy alcohol though
Just like how gun free zones keep guns out of schools.
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Just like how gun free zones keep guns out of schools.
Pretty sure schools are like 99.9% gun free
Not to mention an 18 year old would REALLY stand out at a bar I think...
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Pretty sure schools are like 99.9% gun free
Not to mention an 18 year old would REALLY stand out at a bar I think...
30 year old asian chicks look like they're 18.
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30 year old asian chicks look like they're 18.
So an, 18 year old would look like 4
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So an, 18 year old would look like 4
And Tommy would still take her out for drinks
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Pretty sure schools are like 99.9% gun free
Not to mention an 18 year old would REALLY stand out at a bar I think...
Sometimes I question if we live in the same country.
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And Tommy would still take her out for drinks
4.4 honks
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Pretty sure schools are like 99.9% gun free
Not to mention an 18 year old would REALLY stand out at a bar I think...
Tommy is the 0.1%
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She actually looks older than 18. Is buying drinks for a minor a crime? She's not attractive so I will not be showing a picture.
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She actually looks older than 18. Is buying drinks for a minor a crime? She's not attractive so I will not be showing a picture.
your new avatar is brilliant.
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your new avatar is brilliant.
Dude took a giant bump and then tried to negotiate with armed thieves all on his own. Died as he lived. That's my hero.
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She actually looks older than 18. Is buying drinks for a minor a crime? She's not attractive so I will not be showing a picture.
Yes
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Yes
Were you the kid who would always remind the teacher that she forgot to assign homework at the end of the class?
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Were you the kid who would always remind the teacher that she forgot to assign homework at the end of the class?
coffee meet keyboard
you're on fire today, Tommy.
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your new avatar is brilliant.
Hahaha it's perfect.
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Were you the kid who would always remind the teacher that she forgot to assign homework at the end of the class?
Yes
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Pretty sure schools are like 99.9% gun free
At face value, I'd take this as utter sarcasm but considering where it's coming from, this is utter bunkum.
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Hahaha it's perfect.
Who is it?
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Who is it?
Hint: Die Hard
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Hahahah that guy was such a dick. Just like you.
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Hint: Die Hard
Ah, you know your brother was a real poopchute?
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Ah, you know your brother was a real poopchute?
It's not Hans Gruber, man.
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It's not Hans Gruber, man.
I haven't seen the first Die Hard in years, who is that?
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I haven't seen the first Die Hard in years, who is that?
the guy Hans shoots in the CEO's office when they crash the xmas party. Tommy's avatar claims to know John McClane, and was willing to give him up to the terrorists...but McClane denied knowing him. He tried to use savvy salesmanship to gain the upper hand on Gruber.
Then...BLAM!
ded
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At face value, I'd take this as utter sarcasm but considering where it's coming from, this is utter bunkum.
Maybe I just love in a bubble. Are guns really common in schools?
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Maybe I just love in a bubble. Are guns really common in schools?
Apparently not or there's no earthly way you'd have made it to graduation.
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Maybe I just love in a bubble. Are guns really common in schools?
They were when I was there. Are you sure you're from Long Island? I have a real hard time believing that.
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Apparently not or there's no earthly way you'd have made it to graduation.
lol
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They were when I was there. Are you sure you're from Long Island? I have a real hard time believing that.
Knives and drugs are super common, but I've definitely never heard if anyone having a gun in school. And I mostly hung out with the degenerates
Maybe guns are much more common near the city? Idk
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They were when I was there. Are you sure you're from Long Island? I have a real hard time believing that.
Not me, no one had a gun when I went.
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Not me, no one had a gun when I went.
They had sling shots back then
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They had sling shots back then
people had mullets and wore chains around their ankles in his day.
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They were when I was there. Are you sure you're from Long Island? I have a real hard time believing that.
I don't ever remember guns being that much of a problem in public schools. Knives definitely, but guns? Even in the worst NYC public schools you had the occasional shooting or someone being arrested for bringing one in, but not sure what kind of fucked up school you went to.
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Guns would have been unheard of in my school. Weapons of any kind really, but I could easily see that in public city schools.
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The most dangerous weapon wielded in my school was a cricket bat.
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The most dangerous weapon wielded in my school was the elder wand.
FTFY
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They had sling shots back then
Your squirrel hunting weapon?
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I don't even think I went to a "bad" high school and I saw my first gun when I was 16. I knew of several people who were carrying during school hours my junior and senior years. "Protection."
I'm willing to bet my high school wasn't too far off from a few of the local ones and I'm a good half hour from Queens.
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This thread was on fire for a while before people started seriously answering the guns-in-schools question.
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This thread was on fire for a while before people started seriously answering the guns-in-schools question.
Well, supposedly Sanders just endorsed Clinton for the democratic nod, so that should get things going again.
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Bernie officially endorses Clinton.
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Well, supposedly Sanders just endorsed Clinton for the democratic nod, so that should get things going again.
I wasn't particularly interested in the politics before and I doubt I'll be later. It was the banter for the previous page or two that was good.
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All that talk about how the millionaires and billionaires and powerful corrupt elite run this country was literally the cornerstone of his entire campaign.
And now he endorses Clinton. Guy sold out and is a complete freaking joke. I always thought he was a looney to on and him making Clinton's life miserable would have been entertaining. But she's literally everything he has campaigned against yet he's endorsing her.
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All that talk about how the millionaires and billionaires and powerful corrupt elite run this country was literally the cornerstone of his entire campaign.
And now he endorses Clinton. Guy sold out and is a complete freaking joke. I always thought he was a looney to on and him making Clinton's life miserable would have been entertaining. But she's literally everything he has campaigned against yet he's endorsing her.
Ugh, I can't believe I'm even going to talk about this, but what exactly is he supposed to do? His two options are: get in line with the rest of the party because she won the primaries or take his ball and go home.
Which of those leaves him with a career tomorrow?
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Ugh, I can't believe I'm even going to talk about this, but what exactly is he supposed to do? His two options are: get in line with the rest of the party because she won the primaries or take his ball and go home.
Which of those leaves him with a career tomorrow?
So he sold out, then? Thanks.
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Ugh, I can't believe I'm even going to talk about this, but what exactly is he supposed to do? His two options are: get in line with the rest of the party because she won the primaries or take his ball and go home.
Which of those leaves him with a career tomorrow?
He's 74 years old
Irs not like he's an up and coming young superstar. Not only is he way past retirement age, hes almost past his life expectancy.
If he truly believed the millionaires billionaires and corrupt elites were the biggest problem in this country there's no way possible he would endorse Clinton (or Trump either obviously)
The guy had a chance to be a leading force of change in American politics which is immensely fucked up and corrupt on both sides of the aisle. Instead be just gave up
Obviously he had zero chance of winning the presidency but he could have banged the drum for political reform a lot longer
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The guy had a chance to be a leading force of change in American politics which is immensely fucked up and corrupt on both sides of the aisle. Instead be just gave up
Obviously he had zero chance of winning the presidency but he could have banged the drum for political reform a lot longer
I highlight these two paragraphs because...what do you want from the guy? He's been banging that drum of yours for years, way before this election process started and, like you yourself said, he's got no shot now.
To highlight another of your points, he's 73. They probably, at this point anyway, need each other. He's probably dangling for a VP nod at best, cabinent post at worst, and she probably just wants to get "his people" on board by bring him in in some capacity shoring up the democratic and independent/non-establishment vote.
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I highlight these two paragraphs because...what do you want from the guy? He's been banging that drum of yours for years, way before this election process started and, like you yourself said, he's got no shot now.
To highlight another of your points, he's 73. They probably, at this point anyway, need each other. He's probably dangling for a VP nod at best, cabinent post at worst, and she probably just wants to get "his people" on board by bring him in in some capacity shoring up the democratic and independent/non-establishment vote.
Once again, that appears to be a case of giving up your convictions and what you believe in to further your political career. A true man of the people. Tell me again how he isn't like all other politicians.
Love to see how the #BernieOrBust crowd that has been condemning Clinton this entire time spins this one.
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Oh, I'm not a Bernie Sanders fan, just pointing out why he would do it and why it's beneficial to him. He's a politician, isn't he?
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Maybe he's gonna do a dramatic heel turn and go in a rant against her at the Democratic Convention on live TV. He's just baiting her for the big punch. At least it would be awesome to see. Don't ruin my hopes for prime entertainment!!
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He can have way more positive impact being inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. The best way to keep Clinton in check is to be standing at her side at all times. And given it's a choice of two, she's clearly a less objectionable candidate to him and his supporters than Trump.
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He can have way more positive impact being inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. The best way to keep Clinton in check is to be standing at her side at all times. And given it's a choice of two, she's clearly a less objectionable candidate to him and his supporters than Trump.
Please, he's gonna roll over for Clinton just like he did today. It's pretty evident that his career interests take precedent over all the bullshit about Wall Street corruption he was spouting.
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Political revolution my derriere. Hopefully Jill Stein gets those votes.
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Please, he's gonna roll over for Clinton just like he did today. It's pretty evident that his career interests take precedent over all the bullshit about Wall Street corruption he was spouting.
It's pretty evident he doesn't want to be the guy who split the Democrat vote and let that freaking lunatic Trump into the White House.
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It's pretty evident he doesn't want to be the guy who split the Democrat vote and let that freaking lunatic Trump into the White House.
So sell out 50 years of your core beliefs just to keep one guy out of office for 4 years? Please.
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So if Sanders supporters go to Jill Stein, doesn't that benefit Trump in the general? Especially in the swing states?
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So sell out 50 years of your core beliefs just to keep one guy out of office for 4 years? Please.
LOL. Naive or disingenuous? I think probably the latter.
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Doesn't sound even remotely like selling out to me.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bernie-sanders/forever-forward/1086061604782176
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It's pretty evident he doesn't want to be the guy who split the Democrat vote and let that freaking lunatic Trump into the White House.
Nah, he'd be doing the same exact thing if Rubio or Cruz or Kasich were running.
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Nah, he'd be doing the same exact thing if Rubio or Cruz or Kasich were running.
Of course he would. Did you read the statement? No Republican candidate would adopt some of his platform to get his endorsement. A bad Democrat in the White House is far better for his aims and principles than a Republican of any flavour.
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Political revolution my derriere. Hopefully Jill Stein gets those votes.
I'm voting Tammy Metzler all the way.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eh3TXsx8B40
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Doesn't sound even remotely like selling out to me.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/bernie-sanders/forever-forward/1086061604782176
It was about the powerful coming together of millions of people to take their country back from the billionaire class.
Lol
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Of course he would. Did you read the statement? No Republican candidate would adopt some of his platform to get his endorsement. A bad Democrat in the White House is far better for his aims and principles than a Republican of any flavour.
Yeah, him complaining about a rigged system and politicians being politicians throughout his entire campaign is sure going to instill confidence in his supporters that a politician like Clinton is going to do all those things he wrote in that statement.
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I highlight these two paragraphs because...what do you want from the guy? He's been banging that drum of yours for years, way before this election process started and, like you yourself said, he's got no shot now.
To highlight another of your points, he's 73. They probably, at this point anyway, need each other. He's probably dangling for a VP nod at best, cabinent post at worst, and she probably just wants to get "his people" on board by bring him in in some capacity shoring up the democratic and independent/non-establishment vote.
Exactly.
I love how people think:
1) He's not still "just a politician." Newsflash friends: they all are.
2) That he'd continue to bang on that drum and allow it to damage his party's chance at the White House. No matter how he feels about Hillary, she's a better option for him than Trump.
He can have way more positive impact being inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. The best way to keep Clinton in check is to be standing at her side at all times. And given it's a choice of two, she's clearly a less objectionable candidate to him and his supporters than Trump.
It's pretty evident he doesn't want to be the guy who split the Democrat vote and let that freaking lunatic Trump into the White House.
And more than likely he's heard exactly this in the days including and since his now infamous closed-door meeting with Dems that booed him for not getting on board.
LOL. Naive or disingenuous? I think probably the latter.
All the comments against Bernie are disingenuous. This same thing happens every election cycle. Some candidate capitulates because that's what happens when you lose. You still want your party to be in charge, even if it's not you specifically because the other side has completely opposite views from you rather than disagreement on how to achieve the same goals.
Of course he would. Did you read the statement? No Republican candidate would adopt some of his platform to get his endorsement. A bad Democrat in the White House is far better for his aims and principles than a Republican of any flavour.
Bingo.
Yeah, him complaining about a rigged system and politicians being politicians throughout his entire campaign is sure going to instill confidence in his supporters that a politician like Clinton is going to do all those things he wrote in that statement.
Like Obama brought hope, joy, and prosperity to America? Or how Bush won the war on terror?
It's all bullshit. You know it as well as any of the rest of us.
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Like Obama brought hope, joy, and prosperity to America? Or how Bush won the war on terror?
It's all bullshit. You know it as well as any of the rest of us.
Which is why I'm voting for the only non-politician on the ticket.
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Which is why I'm voting for the only non-politician on the ticket.
That's rather like asking for a dentist to perform the operation to remove your tumour because surgeons sometimes have patients die, and the dentist has never had anyone die on his operating table.
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Which is why I'm voting for the only non-politician on the ticket.
Hahahahahaha, okay.
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That's rather like asking for a dentist to perform the operation to remove your tumour because surgeons sometimes have patients die, and the dentist has never had anyone die on his operating table.
Great analogy that doesn't apply here.
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Of course he would. Did you read the statement? No Republican candidate would adopt some of his platform to get his endorsement. A bad Democrat in the White House is far better for his aims and principles than a Republican of any flavour.
You're talking about winning the battle (Clinton over Trump) to lose the war.
Yes Clinton is better than Trump (from his perspective) But at the cost of reaffirming a broken rigged system, where rich elites from highly connected families and a rigged party system can just force whoever into power regardless of the will of the people.
I know you guys REALLY hate Trump so instead I'll make this example from a Republican perspective. The Republican party tried to shove Ted Cruz down the American peoples throats despite the American people not wanting him and someone who has done excrement the same way the Republicans always have.
If 4 years of Hillary would mean Republican party reform and the party would have to be open minded and look at different types of candidates who aren't corrupt or have an obsolete way of thinking , in my mind it would be worth it.
Sanders absolutely could have been the reason that Hillary lost to Trump. But he also would have been the reason that someone like Hillary would never get force fed down the American people's throats via a broken corrupt system.
Then next year Trump would have to run against a decent human being who isn't some corrupt politician flier and he would probably lose. Then the Republican party would have to reform to keep up with the Democrats, and this entire country and political system would be all the better for it.
Let's also keep in mind that Trump getting elected would probably cost catastrophic damage to the Republican party (either by moving the party to the left, or being such a buffoon that the party ends up in shambles)
So in the grand scheme of things a Trump presidency is FAR less worse for the left than you think
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America is about to start feeling the Johnson
http://rare.us/story/new-poll-has-good-news-for-gary-johnson-as-he-pulls-even-with-trump-among-minorities/
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lol @ at everyone who had no intention of voting for Bernie building a straw man to tear down.
I voted for him in the NY primary and wanted him to win the nomination. I would have been surprised (and admittedly HYPE) if he made a third party push. Hillary happened to be a big target of his campaign for the last year because she was the front runner, but she is not the antithesis of his life's work. To say so is nothing more than recency bias.
Of course part of me is disappointed he did it, but I decided my general election vote was going to the Green Party months ago when his realistic chances died.
He leaves behind two legacies:
-Making significant changes to the Democratic Party platform going into the general election. If they follow through, then some of his goals are accomplished. If they freak up or abandon these ideas, then more people will leave the party.
-Running the most successful grassroots campaign in modern election history and inspiring countless others to make a difference, now and in the future.
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So sell out 50 years of your core beliefs just to keep one guy out of office for 4 years? Please.
Exactly. He never should have done it before he was forced to at the convention.
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CBS showed a poll on the news this morning with the two of them tied at 40%. It also showed Trump with a 12 point lead among independents.
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lol @ at everyone who had no intention of voting for Bernie building a straw man to tear down.
I voted for him in the NY primary and wanted him to win the nomination. I would have been surprised (and admittedly HYPE) if he made a third party push. Hillary happened to be a big target of his campaign for the last year because she was the front runner, but she is not the antithesis of his life's work. To say so is nothing more than recency bias.
Of course part of me is disappointed he did it, but I decided my general election vote was going to the Green Party months ago when his realistic chances died.
He leaves behind two legacies:
-Making significant changes to the Democratic Party platform going into the general election. If they follow through, then some of his goals are accomplished. If they freak up or abandon these ideas, then more people will leave the party.
-Running the most successful grassroots campaign in modern election history and inspiring countless others to make a difference, now and in the future.
Nobody us lol @ at everyone who had no intention of voting for Bernie building a straw man to tear down.
I voted for him in the NY primary and wanted him to win the nomination. I would have been surprised (and admittedly HYPE) if he made a third party push. Hillary happened to be a big target of his campaign for the last year because she was the front runner, but she is not the antithesis of his life's work. To say so is nothing more than recency bias.
Of course part of me is disappointed he did it, but I decided my general election vote was going to the Green Party months ago when his realistic chances died.
He leaves behind two legacies:
-Making significant changes to the Democratic Party platform going into the general election. If they follow through, then some of his goals are accomplished. If they freak up or abandon these ideas, then more people will leave the party.
-Running the most successful grassroots campaign in modern election history and inspiring countless others to make a difference, now and in the future.
Nobody is "building" an argument against him. Hillary is literally EVERYTHING he has rallied and campaigned against to the very core. And now he's endorsing her.
It's more of the same rampant corruption that's always been, everything he's about he sold out on
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Nobody us
Nobody is "building" an argument against him. Hillary is literally EVERYTHING he has rallied and campaigned against to the very core. And now he's endorsing her.
It's more of the same rampant corruption that's always been, everything he's about he sold out on
That's my main criticism. I respected Bernie for at least sticking to his guns. Him endorsing Hillary is akin to "Anyone but Trump!" At least some Republicans have the balls to say that they can't endorse Trump because they fundamentally agree with his non-Christian-Right conservative ideals. That's the problem with politics. It's always going to be one side versus another, no matter what the position.
I want Trump to win, but I'm perfectly fine with Gary Johnson getting a ton of votes. I may actually end up voting for him in the end.
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Hillary is literally EVERYTHING he has rallied and campaigned against to the very core. And now he's endorsing her.
It's kind of like you didn't read my post, or just ignored every point.
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It's kind of like you didn't read my post, or just ignored every point.
That's so odd, he's never done that before.
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It's kind of like you didn't read my post, or just ignored every point.
It's like your post completely ignored the center piece of his campaign. His campaign was built around corrupt millionaires and billionaires taking advantage of the American people. How the elite don't give a freak or take care of the American people.
And then he just bent over and gave the most powerful corrupt elite politician in the country his full endorsement.
I agree that she's not the antithesis of his lifes work, but she is the antithesis of his entire presidential campaign.
And your second point if anything discredits you. This guy ran the most successful grassroots campaign in modern election history, yet never even had a chance because it was rigged by powerful corrupt millionaire billionaire politicians.
Bernie is a bust, he had a chance to be a symbol for reform, and instead just bent over
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I'm losing track of how many times you've moved the goalposts for what you think Bernie should have done.
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I'm losing track of how many times you've moved the goalposts for what you think Bernie should have done.
Not look like a gigantic spineless freaking hypocrite
But he is a "democratic" socialist so what else can you expect
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Not look like a gigantic spineless freaking hypocrite
According to only two groups of people: those who would never support him in a million years, and the most extreme and reactionary of his supporters.
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According to only two groups of people: those who would never support him in a million years, and the most extreme and reactionary of his supporters.
Also according to Bernie Sanders who swore he would fight all the way to the convention, and his supporters who used Bernie or bust as a rally cry
Don't leave them out
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Bernie is a bust, he had a chance to be a symbol for reform
Funny how you (and others bashing him now) expressed this approximately zero times while he was still running for the nomination.
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Also according to Bernie Sanders who swore he would fight all the way to the convention, and his supporters who used Bernie or bust as a rally cry
Don't leave them out
His delegates are still going to the convention to vote on platform amendments.
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Funny how you (and others bashing him now) expressed this approximately zero times while he was still running for the nomination.
I did not, at any point in time, ever think Bernie had a shot against Hillary. I actually liked him (not so much his policies), but thought his supporters were fighting a losing battle. That's one of the reasons I've been following this election so closely, because I was interested to see what some of his supporters would do (the ones that have been continuously attacking Hillary Clinton) once he dropped out.
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I did not, at any point in time, ever think Bernie had a shot against Hillary. I actually liked him (not so much his policies), but thought his supporters were fighting a losing battle. That's one of the reasons I've been following this election so closely, because I was interested to see what some of his supporters would do (the ones that have been continuously attacking Hillary Clinton) once he dropped out.
Some will vote for her, some will vote third party, some will unfortunately not vote at all.
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Funny how you (and others bashing him now) expressed this approximately zero times while he was still running for the nomination.
Oh don't get me wrong I never in a million years wanted this guy or his policies to go to the Whitehouse. But I absolutely think he and Trump had the power to transform a broken political system. The Democrats were forcing their shitty corrupt candidate on the American people, and the Republicans were doing the same. Trump amazingly was able to win despite having the deck rigged against him, Sanders just bent over and endorsed the corruption.
I don't like Sanders or his policies. But the one thing I liked and respected about him was that he was going to try to change his broken rigged party so that in the future the best candidate could actually have a chance. Instead of just giving to the highly connected corrupt as freak shitty lifetime politician.
And the Republican party is just as bad. Biggest difference though is Republicans are getting fed up with the same old right, which is how someone like Trump ended up in there despite a rigged system against him
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Badger's larger point is that what you're saying seems like revisionist history. I don't recall specific posts you made about Bernie before but there's no question you sound like someone who is operating entirely with the benefit of hindsight.
What you're saying is a summation of what happened and is mostly an easy position to take now. It seems a little too concise and convenient
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Badger's larger point is that what you're saying seems like revisionist history. I don't recall specific posts you made about Bernie before but there's no question you sound like someone who is operating entirely with the benefit of hindsight.
What you're saying is a summation of what happened and is mostly an easy position to take now. It seems a little too concise and convenient
My point is that Sanders is endorsing somebody that is the epitome of everything Sanders campaign was against.
Say whatever you want about revisionist history and excrement, but fighting corrupt elites who take advantage of the poor Americans was his thing. And he endorsed one for president.
Badger can spin thst and put all the bullshit in the world is on that, but it'll never that reality
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I think ultimately it came down to this: If Sanders does not endorse Hillary then he likely moves some of his supporters to Trump, Independent, or no-vote. By endorsing Hillary he strengthens the Democratic vote and hopefully keeps a Democrat in the White House. Even though he's backing something he doesn't support entirely it's much better for him than the alternative, Trump.
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Okay?
edit: you fucked that up Pope.
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I think ultimately it came down to this: If Sanders does not endorse Hillary then he likely moves some of his supporters to Trump, Independent, or no-vote. By endorsing Hillary he strengthens the Democratic vote and hopefully keeps a Democrat in the White House. Even though he's backing something he doesn't support entirely it's much better for him than the alternative, Trump.
I get his motivation but he essentially just proved to all his supporters that he's just a other politician. The entire point of his grassroots support was to fix the broken system of politicians doing things for special interests. Now he turned into "Let's make sure our party wins". I can imagine his endorsement of Hilary disappointed his supporters so much so that I doubt most will even turn up to vote. Hilary, and the establishment, not only won but has Sanders, the guy they were hoping to change things, sucking her dick. All for the glory of the party.
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My point is that Sanders is endorsing somebody that is the epitome of everything Sanders campaign was against.
Yeah, but that's objectively not true.
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I can imagine his endorsement of Hilary disappointed his supporters so much so that I doubt most will even turn up to vote.
No.
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Yeah, but that's objectively not true.
I understand they agree on some issues and I'm not arguing that
But absolutely positively the center piece of his campaign was America was run by corrupt elite millionaire's and billionaires who are out of touch with the American people. Thst is 100 % what Hillary Clinton is
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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a46695/donald-trump-candidacy-american-democracy/
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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a46695/donald-trump-candidacy-american-democracy/
Wasn't there a video of a woman calling the shooter a fuckn martyr? Trump ain't the one spreading hate.
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Wasn't there a video of a woman calling the shooter a fuckn martyr? Trump ain't the one spreading hate.
Hilarious.
You know the woman calling Micah Johnson a martyr isn't actually a presidential candidate, right? And what do you call the Trump lies about 9/11 and now 11 cities on the verge of race riots if not spreading hate and fear?
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I'm all for attacking Hillary and Bernie. But it takes a special person to defend Trump.
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Trump is the man
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Wasn't there a video of a woman calling the shooter a fuckn martyr? Trump ain't the one spreading hate.
Did you watch the video? She acknowledged how awful her feelings were. She cried and said that she felt guilty because she couldn't feel sad about the officers and felt like he was a martyr and that she knew she shouldn't feel that way. She said every step of the way that what she felt was wrong. It was about how conflicted she was right now and how she knew how awful it was for her to even say those things. I thought it was pretty powerful, but I'll admit when I just read the blurb and hadn't watched it all the way through, I was pissed that anyone could say excrement like that.
She knows she's getting excrement on and she accepted that. It was freaking courageous. We all try to present ourselves as perfect and justify how we feel. She didn't do that. She said she knew she was wrong. What Trump is doing is totally different. He's lying to drum up hatred. He spouts excrement with zero evidence behind it simply because it's inflammatory, and his followers eat it up and regurgitate it until it's so well dispersed that it's taken as fact. He's not saying "excrement, I'm pissed off, and I know a lot of this anger isn't fully justified, but I'm still pissed." He's saying "I'm pissed and here's some imaginary reason that I made up to justify it".
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Did you watch the video? She acknowledged how awful her feelings were. She cried and said that she felt guilty because she couldn't feel sad about the officers and felt like he was a martyr and that she knew she shouldn't feel that way. She said every step of the way that what she felt was wrong. It was about how conflicted she was right now and how she knew how awful it was for her to even say those things. I thought it was pretty powerful, but I'll admit when I just read the blurb and hadn't watched it all the way through, I was pissed that anyone could say excrement like that.
She knows she's getting excrement on and she accepted that. It was freaking courageous. We all try to present ourselves as perfect and justify how we feel. She didn't do that. She said she knew she was wrong. What Trump is doing is totally different. He's lying to drum up hatred. He spouts excrement with zero evidence behind it simply because it's inflammatory, and his followers eat it up and regurgitate it until it's so well dispersed that it's taken as fact. He's not saying "excrement, I'm pissed off, and I know a lot of this anger isn't fully justified, but I'm still pissed." He's saying "I'm pissed and here's some imaginary reason that I made up to justify it".
freak off for defending that queynte.
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freak off for defending that queynte.
I'm sorry that things aren't always black and white. It was brave to post that video basically saying "The way I feel is fucked up. I know it's fucked up. I hate feeling this way, but I can't stop it." Most people who have fucked up thoughts aren't so open about it, especially so widely and publicly as she did. The funny thing is that she basically says that she agrees with everyone saying "Holy excrement, that's fucked up and you're a bitch".
If she'd come out and said "freak the police. They got what they'd deserved." like I originally thought, my response would be 100% different.
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I'm sorry that things aren't always black and white. It was brave to post that video basically saying "The way I feel is fucked up. I know it's fucked up. I hate feeling this way, but I can't stop it." Most people who have fucked up thoughts aren't so open about it, especially so widely and publicly as she did. The funny thing is that she basically says that she agrees with everyone saying "Holy excrement, that's fucked up and you're a bitch".
If she'd come out and said "freak the police. They got what they'd deserved." like I originally thought, my response would be 100% different.
She didn't have to post that excrement and that bundle of sticks didn't have to celebrate it.
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She didn't have to post that excrement and that bundle of sticks didn't have to celebrate it.
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You're an idiot.
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"It makes me mad when people can admit they're pieces of excrement. Why can't they just lie and make stuff up to justify all the bad things they feel? Waaaaaaaaah!"
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"It makes me mad when people can admit they're pieces of excrement. Why can't they just lie and make stuff up to justify all the bad things they feel? Waaaaaaaaah!"
"OMG it's so courageous when a black person says something so ignorant. I'm the only one here who understands and can have an opinion because my sister is married to a black man, and I know some black people!"
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"OMG it's so courageous when a black person says something so ignorant. I'm the only one here who understands and can have an opinion because my sister is married to a black man, and I know some black people!"
LOL. I'm sorry, would you like some more credit sometimes for courageously speaking out of your derriere?
Bravo, Tommy. You're soooo brave.
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LOL. I'm sorry, would you like some more credit sometimes for courageously speaking out of your derriere?
Bravo, Tommy. You're soooo brave.
If some guy made a video saying "I know it's fucked up to say but I can't feel sorry for these innocent black guys getting shot by cops after all the crime black people are responsible for in this country." then your reaction would be a bit different.
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A lesson for you Tommy:
Ignorant person: "Those officers got what they deserved. freak them cracker derriere po-lice. All 5-0 deserve to die. Fuckin racists."
Not ignorant person: "I keep feeling like he's a martyr and I hate it. I know it's fucked up, I know it's not how I should feel, and I know people are going to excrement all over me, and yet I still can't help feeling that way."
She's not brave for being a black woman saying that she doesn't feel sorry for the cops. She's an idiot for doing that. She's brave for doing it when she recognizes how freaking wrong it is and that she deserves every bit of negative attention for doing so. That's not a product of being black. That's a product of acting like a piece of excrement and having the self awareness to say "How the freak do I stop this?" If you had 1/10 the self awareness of that woman, the world would be so vastly improved.
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If some guy made a video saying "I know it's fucked up to say but I can't feel sorry for these innocent black guys getting shot by cops after all the crime black people are responsible for in this country." then your reaction would be a bit different.
Depends on the video. I wanted to hate this woman and her video, but then I watched it a couple of times. I still hate what she says, but the naked honesty was impressive. It could have been great to open a dialogue, but it of course won't.
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Look at the names here. This is America's innovation engine speaking.
http://www.wired.com/2016/07/open-letter-tech-leaders-donald-trumps-presidential-bid/
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Look at the names here. This is America's innovation engine speaking.
http://www.wired.com/2016/07/open-letter-tech-leaders-donald-trumps-presidential-bid/ (http://www.wired.com/2016/07/open-letter-tech-leaders-donald-trumps-presidential-bid/)
Well in principal they're correct but that letter is signed by one of the most racially divisive douchebags in this country, whose main entrepreneurial claim to fame is monetizing the shakedown of Corporate America, where that fat queynte Sharpton has taken the mantle. Yippee putting that dickbag on the list.
Sorry JE, I am not pissing on it, I just don't understand how they complain about Trump being racially divisive and they allow Jesse Jackson Sr. to be on that list, quite frankly that's disgusting. That's like Reinhard Heydrich getting a spot on Yad Vasham 's Avenue of the Righteous because he let 30 Jews out of Nazi Germany in 1934.
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Look at the names here. This is America's innovation engine speaking.
http://www.wired.com/2016/07/open-letter-tech-leaders-donald-trumps-presidential-bid/
I stopped reading at "free movement of people".
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Well in principal they're correct but that letter is signed by one of the most racially divisive douchebags in this country, whose main entrepreneurial claim to fame is monetizing the shakedown of Corporate America, where that fat queynte Sharpton has taken the mantle. Yippee putting that dickbag on the list.
Sorry JE, I am not pissing on it, I just don't understand how they complain about Trump being racially divisive and they allow Jesse Jackson Sr. to be on that list, quite frankly that's disgusting. That's like Reinhard Heydrich getting a spot on Yad Vasham 's Avenue of the Righteous because he let 30 Jews out of Nazi Germany in 1934.
That's fair, I didn't notice his name and I don't know why he's on it. But there are a lot of very important people from the Valley on there, people who ostensibly should be best represented by this supposed captain of industry, and they're deeply concerned about the impact of his policies and attitudes on the health of America's 21st century industry.
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With presidential candidates you don't need to look any further than their stance on net neutrality to know if they'll be good or bad for tech.
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With presidential candidates you don't need to look any further than their stance on net neutrality to know if they'll be good or bad for tech.
Holy excrement yes!
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http://fusion.net/story/324491/ralph-nader-jorge-ramos-bernie-endorsement-hillary-political-betrayal/
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With presidential candidates you don't need to look any further than their stance on net neutrality to know if they'll be good or bad for tech.
No one cares about net neutrality. They just want to get paid and live their lives.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/14/the-non-religious-are-now-the-countrys-largest-religious-voting-bloc/
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Trump: "I love the gays!"
Chooses Mike freaking Pence as his VP.
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Trump: "I love the gays!"
Chooses Mike freaking Pence as his VP.
The VP is such a useless position anyway. He just did that to appease the base.
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The best that can be said is at least Pence isn't as bad Palin, not by much though.
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Shoulda picked Tebow as VP
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Pence really is a disappointing candidate, I thought Trump had the potential to bring the Republican party to the left,at least on social issues.
That said it sounds like his economic stances are probably pretty decent although I won't pretend to know more than the minimum about them.
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Not many people are signing up to attach themselves to Trump
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Not many people are signing up to attach themselves to Trump
I doubt that.
Maybe established main stream candidates don't want to torpedo their successful political careers.
But I imagine some unconventional (but highly qualified) candidates would jump at the chance to maybe be vice president.
Trump has a legitimate chance at winning, which means you could put that political career on the fast track
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The VP is such a useless position anyway. He just did that to appease the base.
Tell that to JFK, Abe Lincoln, etc.
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Tell that to JFK, Abe Lincoln, etc.
Are you suggesting that you'll assassinate whoever becomes president?
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Are you suggesting that you'll assassinate whoever becomes president?
Well Clinton and Trump do have some of the highest negatives ever for presidential candidates. And are extremely polarizing
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Are you suggesting that you'll assassinate whoever becomes president?
Getting ready to assassinate some sushi right now.
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NBC News reported this week that Clinton’s campaign and allied super-PACs have spent $57 million so far, while Trump’s campaign hasn’t spent anything, and two allied outside groups have spent only $3.6 million.
Team Clinton has outspent Team Trump in nine battleground states by a 40-1 ratio, NBC reported.
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Hillary Clinton and her allies continue to outspend Donald Trump and his backers over the airwaves by a 15-to-1 margin, according to ad-spending data from SMG Delta.
Team Clinton has spent $57 million on ads so far in the general election -- $25 million coming from the campaign and another $32 million from pro-Clinton Super PACs.
By comparison, Team Trump has aired $3.6 million in ads, with all of the spending from two outside groups, the National Rifle Association ($2.3 million) and Rebuilding America Now ($1.3 million). The Trump campaign has yet to spend a single cent on ads so far in the general election.
Last week, the totals were $45 million for Team Clinton, versus $2.8 million for Team Trump.
Clinton's advantage is even more pronounced in the battlegrounds, where Team Clinton has spent a combined $46.2 million in nine states to Team Trump's $1.2 million. That's nearly a 40-to-1 margin.
Total Ad Spending So Far
Team Clinton: $57 million ($25 million from campaign, $32 million from Super PACs)
Team Trump: $3.6 million (all from two outside groups, $0 from campaign)
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He doesn't really need to spend on advertising when the networks are in essence subsidizing it for him.
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He doesn't really need to spend on advertising when the networks are in essence subsidizing it for him.
Plus he does a ton of interviews and press conferences. Clinton is just waiting in the wings hoping people vote for her just because.
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According to Ann Coulter around midnight last night Trump was asking his top aides if it was too late to change his mind on Pence.
She absolutely hates the pick.
Newt by far would have been one of the better choices if he was dead set in picking someone to appease the base.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or3tLKPAh48
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or3tLKPAh48
she's the maiden of punchable faces
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Her personality could be the biggest reason Trump gets elected.
She's so out of touch with normal people.
Trump might be a nutcase but at least he's personable ish
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According to Ann Coulter around midnight last night Trump was asking his top aides if it was too late to change his mind on Pence.
She absolutely hates the pick.
Newt by far would have been one of the better choices if he was dead set in picking someone to appease the base.
Ann Coulter is probably full of excrement. Going with an unknown who can handle the media and debates is the better choice. I wish he could've gone with someone more to the center but it's enough to appease the base and get them to the polls.
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since when do we care what shrill Germanic skeleton witch says?
Ann Coulter looks like what happens after you die in Beetlejuice
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Trump picked a Tea Party Evangelical.
freak. That's not good for anyone unless you believe that Jesus Christ is coming back for you and only you and your kind. Great. Those faggots are an assassination away from the white house.
freak you, Donald.
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since when do we care what shrill Germanic skeleton witch says?
Ann Coulter looks like what happens after you die in Beetlejuice
The point was moderates won't like the pick, nor will hardcore conservatives (ie Coulter).
It's a excrement pick
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Trump picked a Tea Party Evangelical.
freak. That's not good for anyone unless you believe that Jesus Christ is coming back for you and only you and your kind. Great. Those faggots are an assassination away from the white house.
freak you, Donald.
Liberals should be happy. I think this pick makes Trump less likely to get elected. Had he picked a legit moderate, the left should have to worry a bit
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Liberals should be happy. I think this pick makes Trump less likely to get elected. Had he picked a legit moderate, the left should have to worry a bit
That's the point. queynte gets to walk through November with better polling numbers. This election is supposed to give her a goiter. Several goiters actually.
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The VP pick was not going to swing this for Trump. All Hillary has to do I stand pat and rock the boat as little as possible. Unless she picks someone who evangelizes about the healing power of crystals, it's probably not going to make a difference.
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The VP pick was not going to swing this for Trump. All Hillary has to do I stand pat and rock the boat as little as possible. Unless she picks someone who evangelizes about the healing power of crystals, it's probably not going to make a difference.
Yep. I just can't see much chance of her losing. Bottom line is that I feel she is less offensive than Trump all around for the people who are undecided at this point. Overall more people see her as the best turd in the toilet, right or wrong. If I were her, I'd try to be as quiet as possible from now until November. The only thing she'll need to do is announce her running mate as quietly as possible, do as few debates as possible, and coast.
I do feel Trump would have been better off with Newt to at least counter his inexperience with someone who has been there. I don't know how much it would have mattered though.
Then again, I'm usually wrong about these things. That means Trump will win by a landslide.
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Is this real life?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/omarosa-donald-trump-director-african-american-outreach-article-1.2715927
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I assumed months ago that she would have been his VP.
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I assumed months ago that she would have been his VP.
No
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Why is the RNC always so damn religious?
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I've never seen Rudy like this before. Wow.
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Melania Trump lifted two whole paragraphs from Michelle Obama's speech in 2008. Almost verbatim. This is great.
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Melania Trump lifted two whole paragraphs from Michelle Obama's speech in 2008. Almost verbatim. This is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KtzdP7mR-4
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She should have just got naked and not said a word.
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I hate to link HuffPo, but whatever.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-big-banks_us_578d30fde4b0a0ae97c2fb9d
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http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/news/lou-holtz-crown-royal-republican-national-convention-donald-trump-endorsement/
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I hate to link HuffPo, but whatever.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-big-banks_us_578d30fde4b0a0ae97c2fb9d (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-big-banks_us_578d30fde4b0a0ae97c2fb9d)
why?
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why?
It's Buzzfeed for liberals.
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I think the big bank breakup be a more effective strategy if Trump didn't change his mind every 5 minutes and have such wildly inconsistent opinions.
He's built up such poisonous emotional equity that this issue isn't going to sway anybody on the left to actually voting for him. I don't think anyone believes he will do what he says.
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I think the big bank breakup be a more effective strategy if Trump didn't change his mind every 5 minutes and have such wildly inconsistent opinions.
He's built up such poisonous emotional equity that this issue isn't going to sway anybody on the left to actually voting for him. I don't think anyone believes he will do what he says.
..... but everyone fears which ones he will. I agree with you, it seems like this is more likely to further scare Republican backers than it is to win liberal voters over. If he's making a play for the Bernie base I really don't think he has a chance of getting it.
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..... but everyone fears which ones he will. I agree with you, it seems like this is more likely to further scare Republican backers than it is to win liberal voters over. If he's making a play for the Bernie base I really don't think he has a chance of getting it.
Exactly
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“This whole ‘old white people’ business does get a little tired, Charlie. I’d ask you to go back through history and figure out where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you are talking about? Where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”
“Than white people?” Mr. Hayes asked.
Mr. King responded: “Than Western civilization itself that’s rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of America, and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world. That’s all of Western civilization.”
freak. Me.
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I'd be surprised if Paul Ryan isn't the Republican guy in the near future
Of course stars fall fast, if Trump brings the party Paul will be at the stake with him
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Lol the RNC has chants of lock her up for Hillary Clinton, while Christie is presenting the case to the attendees as a jury of her peers.
I don't particularly like the right, but the knocks on Clinton are rather entertaining
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I'd be surprised if Paul Ryan isn't the Republican guy in the near future
Of course stars fall fast, if Trump brings the party Paul will be at the stake with him
Someone pointed Ryan out to me as a rising star nearly a decade ago. When Romney tapped him as his running mate I thought "Wow, great pick, Paul Ryan is a shark." And then they ran another uninspired Republican campaign.
They had to beg him to do what he's doing now, I doubt he'd want to deal with another campaign and may not want to run for president at all.
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Someone pointed Ryan out to me as a rising star nearly a decade ago. When Romney tapped him as his running mate I thought "Wow, great pick, Paul Ryan is a shark." And then they ran another uninspired Republican campaign.
They had to beg him to do what he's doing now, I doubt he'd want to deal with another campaign and may not want to run for president at all.
Guys only 46, plus be was only added on tbe ticket as a VP to someone the Republicans event particularly big on.
I think he's one of those people who won't run until the environment is so toxic for Democrats thst the Republican would be favored from the getgo though.
I'd rather see the party just pivot an entirely new direction though, and get the freak away from this religious block.
I have to think over the next 10-15 years as the core religious folks retire or die the Republican party could actually make its transformation to what it should be, more of a small government/libertarian financially conservative socially responsible party, instead of the Jesus party
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I'd rather see the party just pivot an entirely new direction though, and get the freak away from this religious block.
I have to think over the next 10-15 years as the core religious folks retire or die the Republican party could actually make its transformation to what it should be, more of a small government/libertarian financially conservative socially responsible party, instead of the Jesus party
They'll never win another presidential election until they evolve on social issues.
You're right about essentially waiting for some people to die for society to take the next step forward. It'll do wonders for things like race and religion.
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^ Awesome avatar
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^ Awesome avatar
Seconded
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Wasn't one of Obamas first major speeches plagiarized as well? I'm pretty sure it was a big controversy back then
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Dear baby Jesus why can't the election just be over already.
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Wasn't one of Obamas first major speeches plagiarized as well? I'm pretty sure it was a big controversy back then
It was his 2014 State of the Union address.
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Saudi Arabia issued a Fatwa against Pokemon Go.
How to deal with this should be a debate question in the fall.
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Saudi Arabia issued a Fatwa against Pokemon Go.
How to deal with this should be a debate question in the fall.
Before or after they discuss whether to uphold the importation ban on Kinder Eggs?
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It was his 2014 State of the Union address.
I thought he had something back around the Jeremiah Wright controversy too where he lifted a speech
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Wasn't one of Obamas first major speeches plagiarized as well? I'm pretty sure it was a big controversy back then
I forgot about that.
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I thought he had something back around the Jeremiah Wright controversy too where he lifted a speech
Definitely possible. The stuff with Melania was only funny because of who she took it from. Of course someone will always get offended.
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Definitely possible. The stuff with Melania was only funny because of who she took it from. Of course someone will always get offended.
Actually it was during Obama's 2008 campaign. Almost word for word from a Deval Patrick speech. Didn't seem to affect him much.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/20/barack-obama-vs-deval-patrick/
To be honest for all the speeches being thrown around for the last few decades essentially saying the same thing, it's not surprising that Speechwriters can get a little lazy or have slipups here and there.
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Newwwwwt
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lolololololol
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I forgot about that.
Guess what? 10 years from now the same thing will happen with Mrs. Trump.......Yawn, nobody cares about her when she opens her mouth, Trump too.
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Guess what? 10 years from now the same thing will happen with Mrs. Trump.......Yawn, nobody cares about her when she opens her mouth, Trump too.
I barely paid any attention. Was too busy imagining my penis in her mouth.
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I barely paid any attention. Was too busy imagining my penis in her mouth.
That's no excuse. Even if she had your penis in her mouth, you'd have been able to hear every word of her speech and with perfect enunciation.
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The Ted Wedding. Whoever said that while I was shaving this morning gets 5 honks.
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That's no excuse. Even if she had your penis in her mouth, you'd have been able to hear every word of her speech and with perfect enunciation.
This fuckn guy.
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The Ted Wedding. Whoever said that while I was shaving this morning gets 5 honks.
You mean how he threatened to rally the entire convention to contest Trump, yet gets booed by nearly everyone, thrown out, and Trump comes down and gets a standing ovation and raucous chants? I think that move by Ted did more to galvanized the GOP and its base around Trump than anything Trump could have said.
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Lighthearted selfie by Ryan and his intern turned into "OMG look how racist the Republicans are. We have more non-white people, so we're totally not racist!"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/politics/dc-intern-selfie/index.html
Keep playing that race card, you bundle of sticks of a party.
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Lighthearted selfie by Ryan and his intern turned into "OMG look how racist the Republicans are. We have more non-white people, so we're totally not racist!"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/21/politics/dc-intern-selfie/index.html
Keep playing that race card, you bundle of sticks of a party.
Don't you think it's slightly surprising just how very white the Ryan gang are? No one has, to my knowledge, made any suggestion that it's because the Republican party is racist, but it's hardly representative of modern America, is it?
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No one has, to my knowledge, made any suggestion that it's because the Republican party is racist,
lol
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lol
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I'm sure it's because either they only received applications for internships from white people, or all of the best candidates for the job just happened to be white.
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I'm sure it's because either they only received applications for internships from white people, or all of the best candidates for the job just happened to be white.
It's mostly column A but what I was reacting was the notion that no one had used that photo as supposed proof of GOP racism.
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I'm sure it's because either they only received applications for internships from white people, or all of the best candidates for the job just happened to be white.
Because it's already been decided decades ago by popular opinion and actively preached in schools that the GOP is anti-minority.
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Because it's already been decided decades ago by popular opinion and actively preached in schools that the GOP is anti-minority.
So what you're saying is that the Republican party is maligned and misunderstood, and the fact that every single intern is white should in no way, shape or form be taken to be reflective of their general views and attitudes?
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So what you're saying is that the Republican party is maligned and misunderstood, and the fact that every single intern is white should in no way, shape or form be taken to be reflective of their general views and attitudes?
You do realize that nearly 80% of the U.S is white, right? The bigger story is why so few white people are interning at the Democratic convention. Maybe affirmative action at play, or they're just cherry-picking. There's nothing about the GOP's platform that's anti-minority, unless you're going to suggest that all minorities are on some form of social welfare that the GOP is against. Or that all minorities for some reason are anti increases in defense spending. Or that all minorities are somehow anti-second amendment rights. Or that all minorities are pro-Life.
The Democratic Party panders to minorities by making the GOP the enemy the same way the GOP panders to the Christian Right by making the Democratic Party the enemy. That's the real reason. Willing to bet most of the kids in either picture eat it all up.
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You do realize that nearly 80% of the U.S is white, right? The bigger story is why so few white people are interning at the Democratic convention. Maybe affirmative action at play, or they're just cherry-picking. There's nothing about the GOP's platform that's anti-minority, unless you're going to suggest that all minorities are on some form of social welfare that the GOP is against. Or that all minorities for some reason are anti increases in defense spending. Or that all minorities are somehow anti-second amendment rights. Or that all minorities are pro-Life.
The Democratic Party panders to minorities by making the GOP the enemy the same way the GOP panders to the Christian Right by making the Democratic Party the enemy. That's the real reason. Willing to bet most of the kids in either picture eat it all up.
Those nasty Democrats. What cynical behaviour of them, actually listening to minority voices telling them that the way their communities are treated is somehow different to white America. If only those ignorant minorities would just wake up and realise that the Republican party doesn't see colour at all - hell, they even let a couple of darkies pretend to have a go at getting the nomination - and understand that reducing taxes on people who earn more money in a year than they will in a lifetime will make life so much better for the poorest communities.
I feel your rage, I really do. I can't understand why minority voters wouldn't see the benefit in placing their trust in a rich white man. After all, rich white men have done a great job of making their lives so much better in the past.
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Both of you are incredibly insufferable
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Both of you are incredibly insufferable
This might be more to your taste.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/
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This might be more to your taste.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/
At least you're moderately intelligent while being insufferable
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You do realize that nearly 80% of the U.S is white, right? The bigger story is why so few white people are interning at the Democratic convention. Maybe affirmative action at play, or they're just cherry-picking. There's nothing about the GOP's platform that's anti-minority, unless you're going to suggest that all minorities are on some form of social welfare that the GOP is against. Or that all minorities for some reason are anti increases in defense spending. Or that all minorities are somehow anti-second amendment rights. Or that all minorities are pro-Life.
The Democratic Party panders to minorities by making the GOP the enemy the same way the GOP panders to the Christian Right by making the Democratic Party the enemy. That's the real reason. Willing to bet most of the kids in either picture eat it all up.
It's 63%, but getting smaller. I think the lack of diversity among interns is also likely due to the intern pool they are choosing from and not some racist scheme by the GOP - minorities are not drawn to (i.e. applying to) the GOP. Trump certainly isn't helping to bridge that gap either.
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You have to admit between the fact that Hispanics hate Trump with a passion, and blacks are like 99.9% Democrat that it really isn't surprising to see predominantly white interns.
I'll also point out that there's quite a few Asians and Indians in that picture but they don't "count"as minorities because they're not dark skinned
Not to mention socioeconomics and how the Republican party tends to have a different philosophy on those matters than Democrats.
The Republican party has tons of issues, even racial issues especially when it comes to their approach with Hispanics under Trump and their treatment of gays.
However this whole "controversy" is just low life race baiting bullshit you'd expect from Democrats. Which is why no matter matter how much they cater to blacks, the situation of blacks really doesn't improve at all under them.
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You have to admit between the fact that Hispanics hate Trump with a passion, and blacks are like 99.9% Democrat that it really isn't surprising to see predominantly white interns.
I'll also point out that there's quite a few Asians and Indians in that picture but they don't "count"as minorities because they're not dark skinned
Not to mention socioeconomics and how the Republican party tends to have a different philosophy on those matters than Democrats.
The Republican party has tons of issues, even racial issues especially when it comes to their approach with Hispanics under Trump and their treatment of gays.
However this whole "controversy" is just low life race baiting bullshit you'd expect from Democrats. Which is why no matter matter how much they cater to blacks, the situation of blacks really doesn't improve at all under them.
"quite a few" = about 5/120? And they do count, because they aren't white, which makes them a minority. That room is whiter than Prince George's baby powdered tush, and whatever the reason, it's symptomatic of a broader problem Republicans have that will keep them from winning the Presidency in years to come.
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This might be more to your taste.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/
Awesome, I needed a new forum.
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"quite a few" = about 5/120? And they do count, because they aren't white, which makes them a minority. That room is whiter than Prince George's baby powdered tush, and whatever the reason, it's symptomatic of a broader problem Republicans have that will keep them from winning the Presidency in years to come.
I think it's more to do with minorities not wanting to associate with certain people who tend to vote republican. It's less about the policies themselves. Christian conservatives have dominated the GOP base, and to many minorities Christian Conservatives represent the Old Boys Club of Southern Whites who aren't very tolerant.
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A Pew Research Center study from April found that minorities largely identify with the Democratic Party. Roughly 80 percent of African Americans, 65 percent of Asians and 56 percent of Hispanics identified as Democrats.
Eleven percent of African Americans , 23 percent Asian Americans and 26 percent of Latinos identify as Republicans.
/mind blown
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Damn Ivanka is stunning
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And she's killing it
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Donald Trump is well over an hour into his speech about taking all the bad stuff and making them great.
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Donald Trump is well over an hour in his speech about taking all the bad stuff and making them great.
That's what he do, DS he's a hard charging nigga.
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Damn Ivanka is stunning
She's going to have much more of a presence if he wins than his wife will.
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It's 63%, but getting smaller. I think the lack of diversity among interns is also likely due to the intern pool they are choosing from and not some racist scheme by the GOP - minorities are not drawn to (i.e. applying to) the GOP. Trump certainly isn't helping to bridge that gap either.
That's really the key. I don't think the Republicans are running some minority inclusion program for White House interns, and it would be a silly thing for them to do. The photo was exactly how I'd expect it to look. I did have to squint to find the 'quite a few' minorities dcm is talking about. It's about time for the whites in this country to adopt Asians and Indians anyway. It's been a while since we last had to expand whiteness. I'm pretty sure the only original white guy on this board is Johnny English, although part of my family (the Scots Irish) was adopted early. The much larger Irish and smaller Italian components took way longer to become white. Guys like Tommy wouldn't have been white until a few generations ago.
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^-----Maybe I'm mistaken and you guys certainly know each better than I do, but isn't Johnny part Indian?
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My grandma is half Indian, so I'm one eighth.
Scotland Jet would be my bet for the whitest of white, I think he he's a true Celt.
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^-----Maybe I'm mistaken and you guys certainly know each better than I do, but isn't Johnny part Indian?
Wow, I missed that earlier. Crazy.
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My grandma is half Indian, so I'm one eighth.
Scotland Jet would be my bet for the whitest of white, I think he he's a true Celt.
German/Scotland here, with German being more dominant. Shocker.
Now about Puck and Koz...
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German/Scotland here, with German being more dominant. Shocker.
Now about Puck and Koz...
I am American bitch.
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I am American bitch.
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I have the most white privelege, therefore I am the whitest
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I hope Gary Johnson gets a shot to be in the debates.
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I hope Gary Johnson gets a shot to be in the debates.
I don't think he's gonna reach the necessary numbers in the polls.
But considering how shitty Clinton and Trump are and their negatives, I think it would go a long way
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I don't think he's gonna reach the necessary numbers in the poles.
But considering how shitty Clinton and Trump are and their negatives, I think it would go a long way
He's pushing pretty close. If the other 2 keep the clown show going and Johnson can fund some publicity, it might happen.
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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/22/3801155/david-duke-senate-bid/
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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/22/3801155/david-duke-senate-bid/
Ted Cruz was almost the Republican nominee, why not David Duke?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/22/on-eve-of-democratic-convention-wikileaks-releases-thousands-of-documents-about-clinton-the-campaign-and-internal-deliberations/
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/
One email written May 5 to DNC communications director Luis Miranda from another party official suggests looking at Bernie Sanders' faith.
"It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief," the email from "marshall@dnc.org" says. "Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist."
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/22/on-eve-of-democratic-convention-wikileaks-releases-thousands-of-documents-about-clinton-the-campaign-and-internal-deliberations/
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/
I was just gonna post this.
That excrement is corrupt as freak.
If this doesn't get Bernie and the Bernie or busters all riled up then they're all spineless.
Id be fine if they go to 3rd party in flocks so the libertarian party gets in some debates and federal funding even with Hillary winning.
Although best case scenario for this country would be Hillary winning the election and then getting impeached or arrested. That's my dream realistic election scenario at this point
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I'm riled but I was already not voting for her so...
I'm tired of people trying to hold Trump like a gun to my head. NY went blue by an average margin of 2 MILLION votes in the last two general elections.
That means I and the 750k+ people who voted for Sanders (or rather, had their votes counted) in the NY primary could vote for freaking Chicken Parmesan in November and NY would still go blue.
I will vote my conscience.
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Also from the wikileaks
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/leaked-dnc-emails-wikileaks-2016-7?client=ms-android-verizon#
Apparently a politico reporter sent their story on Hillary Clinton to a key DNC official to review it before they sent it to their editors.
Hillary has so much power and backroom deals it's scary
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She can suck a dick, I would never vote for that bitch. Then again, I wouldn't vote for Trump in a million years either.
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I'm riled but I was already not voting for her so...
I'm tired of people trying to hold Trump like a gun to my head. NY went blue by an average margin of 2 MILLION votes in the last two general elections.
That means I and the 750k+ people who voted for Sanders (or rather, had their votes counted) in the NY primary could vote for freaking Chicken Parmesan in November and NY would still go blue.
I will vote my conscience.
It's not the NY Bernie supporters he's trying to appeal to. It's the ones in the swing states. Obama had a huge young voter base at the time who turned out to vote. Also the most African American voter turnout in any election. I doubt that happens this time around for the Dems.
I know this is a weird comparison, but I see similarities between Obama in 2008 and Trump this year. Obama had a huge backing of people who wouldn't otherwise vote and were tired of politics as usual. That's why he beat Clinton. "Hope and Change" and "Make America Great Again". People are Obama's up and they're eating up Trump's message. Hillary doesn't even have a message besides "Let's make history!"
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https://twitter.com/KiloJonez/status/756653120437059584
Dem congresswoman is asked about leaked emails, she stammers and changes the subject to Republicans.
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I vote for Chicken Parm
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I'm voting for Hector camacho
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DNC sends interns to inflate crowd numbers at protests
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I am considering Rupaul and Bojanglesman, I am voting for the less gay option, so I am going to write in anal beads.
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Just saw this posted. No really, please go freak yourself:
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That is a fair point.
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Chicken parm sub or chicken parm dinner? This is a deal breaker.
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Chicken parm sub or chicken parm dinner? This is a deal breaker.
Whatever your heart desires.
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That is a fair point.
No it isn't.
"If Trump is elected, all that is gone."
This is commonly referred to as lying.
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That is a fair point.
I'd be shocked if he could accomplish 20% of that list.
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That is a fair point.
Meh
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I'd be shocked if he could accomplish 20% of that list.
According to Hillary, Bernie Sanders was also going to take away people's Medicare and Medicaid.
She's as big of a fearmonger as Trump.
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Just saw this posted. No really, please go freak yourself:
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Not to mention Trumps a freaking liberal, and a ton are super generic stupid excrement.
And Uhm freedom, happiness, the sun, rainbows, democracy.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-education.html
This is a solid move.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-education.html
This is a solid move.
A solid move to get Bernie supporters but a retarded freaking idea.
This country is trodden with debt so lets spend billions a year paying for people's colleges.
I'd be ok with the government offering very low APR loans to people who get college degrees that actually contribute to the world ie doctors and engineers.
But to subsidize freaking morons partying and doing excrement, so they can go work at best buy with their worthless degree no thanks.
Anyone who has gone to college in the last 10 years knows that most of college is worthless bullshit. And thus is coming from someone who has spent a lot of freaking time and money in college
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-education.html
This is a solid move.
Yeah, but the underlying problem is that kids continue to choose extremely expensive schools and take out student loans to pay for their standard college education that you can get at state and city schools. Besides, I think that working part time to pay for the low tuition of city and state schools does more for a student's development that anything they learn in school. Can't just turn college into another free handout.
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Jesus freaking Christ you two
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There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
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Jesus freaking Christ you two
Honest question
Seeing that Trump and Clinton are the two "best" candidates this country can muster up for the most powerful position in not only this country but the world. How the freak can you have faith in our government to do anything correctly, let alone want to expand their size and power and give them control of billions and billions more of American tax dollars?.
That's why I'd prefer a libertarian approach where government stays the freak out of this excrement. Although I'd at least be ammendable to them doing something to target needed professions like doctors and such, being that there's such a shortage of qualified Healthcare professionals, especially as baby boomers are just starting to get old and people are living much longer
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Honest question
Seeing that Trump and Clinton are the two "best" candidates this country can muster up for the most powerful position in not only this country but the world. How the freak can you have faith in our government to do anything correctly, let alone want to expand their size and power and give them control of billions and billions more of American tax dollars?.
Right, because the president would personally administer free public university and single payer healthcare.
Both of those things would be better than their current systems, government inefficiencies included.
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Right, because the president would personally administer free public university and single payer healthcare.
Both of those things would be better than their current systems, government inefficiencies included.
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It has nothing to do with the president personally doing it.
It has to so with the system being blatantly corrupt and incompetent, and Trump and Clinton being clear proof of that fact.
Not to mention this country is already buried with debt it cannot pay, so expanding that is even freaking more stupid.
If the government wanted to do something similar to the army at least that's a feasible possibility. For example the army offers a CRNA program. If you enter it you don't pay a thing. But the caveat is you have to work for the army as a crna for 4 years afterwards for excrement pay (when a crna typically makes like 125-150k a year).
At least something like this resolves the problem of excess student loans, makes college affordable, yet people still have to earn it and take accountability for their actions.
Subsidizing someone's worthless communications or liberal arts, or other nonsense degree makes zero freaking sense. If the government is going to "invest" in your education they should expect some kind of return on that investment. Unfortunately many if not most degrees are worthless, which is why so many kids can't pay off their student loans.
Not because the college is too expensive, but because they got a excrement derriere degree that they can't get a real freaking job with
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The better solution would be the companies who need talent investing in training/apprenticeship programs to teach people the skills they need to do the jobs that need doing. There aren't many jobs that a somewhat intelligent person couldn't pick up with continuous on the job training for a year or two. I'm sure many people would be willing to sign a 5 year contract with a set payment scale to learn the skills needed for whatever real job a particular company needs.
We could also stop caring if people stayed conscious enough in fluff classes like social problems in today's world and start hiring people who went and took whatever classes are actually necessary as a background for each particular job.
I would like to see a better solution than state sponsored college but I don't think one is coming soon so I have to support trying something because the way things are at the moment is not going to be good for any of us in 10 years.
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Yeah, but the underlying problem is that kids continue to choose extremely expensive schools and take out student loans to pay for their standard college education that you can get at state and city schools. Besides, I think that working part time to pay for the low tuition of city and state schools does more for a student's development that anything they learn in school. Can't just turn college into another free handout.
I agree with the first part, and I think this helps with it. Free tuition at public schools will drive more highly qualified applicants to those schools and will push their degrees into more practical areas. If a kid still wants to choose a private school, that's on him. You're only investing in one facet of university education. It's not like they're arguing for free tuition for all. I'd also be a fan of pushing these state schools to grow their MSE programs at the expense of the liberal arts. The necessary foundation based humanities coursework will be enough to sustain a lot of those departments anyway.
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The better solution would be the companies who need talent investing in training/apprenticeship programs to teach people the skills they need to do the jobs that need doing. There aren't many jobs that a somewhat intelligent person couldn't pick up with continuous on the job training for a year or two. I'm sure many people would be willing to sign a 5 year contract with a set payment scale to learn the skills needed for whatever real job a particular company needs.
We could also stop caring if people stayed conscious enough in fluff classes like social problems in today's world and start hiring people who went and took whatever classes are actually necessary as a background for each particular job.
I would like to see a better solution than state sponsored college but I don't think one is coming soon so I have to support trying something because the way things are at the moment is not going to be good for any of us in 10 years.
We really need to de-emphasize college and re-emphasize vocational training. We used to have a much broader base of vocational training in high schools than we do today. Introduce more tech courses and internships while in high school for credit only and use that to fill jobs that really don't require a broader college education.
I disagree that people going through full engineering programs shouldn't take humanities and liberal arts courses, though. That fundamental background is huge for anyone whose job blends technical aspects with critical thinking and imagination.
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I've also heard of schools that have career based tuition. Rather than pay ahead of time, you pay a percentage of your gross income when you enter into the workforce. From what I hear, it works out much better for those students and they prefer it.
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I've also heard of schools that have career based tuition. Rather than pay ahead of time, you pay a percentage of your gross income when you enter into the workforce. From what I hear, it works out much better for those students and they prefer it.
So I guess this is to put the motivation on the schools to put out kids that can earn good salaries so they get paid back more? If you go to college and end up with a low-paying job, does the college end up taking the loss?
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So I guess this is to put the motivation on the schools to put out kids that can earn good salaries so they get paid back more? If you go to college and end up with a low-paying job, does the college end up taking the loss?
Yes, but you can't go travel the world and just not owe anything. It gets delayed until you start working.
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Getting out the Latino Vote in 2016 and Beyond
Introduction
The US Hispanic population and its influence have reached the tipping point. Specifically Hispanic Millennials are now larger than the current Baby Boomer demographic and growing. There is one shot to capture this demographic or lose the window of opportunity for generations:
1. Hispanics are the most brand loyal consumers in the World: Known fact.
2. Hispanic brand loyalty is generational: Entire families.
3. Once a brand loses this loyalty, Hispanics never re-engage: Unforgiving.
4. If a brand earns this loyalty, Hispanics will always be loyal and influence family and extended family to be loyal: Long term relationship.
5. Hispanics are the most responsive to “story telling”: Brands need to “speak with us”.
Without a comprehensive brand strategy and plan, The DNC will lose the opportunity to acquire the Hispanic consumer.
Objectives
• To empower and inspire US Hispanics 18+ yrs of age to register & vote in the 2016 Presidential and Congressional elections
• To develop a relationship with Hispanics based on trust and inclusion.
• To increase the turnout of Hispanic voters from 48 % to 75% or more
• To extend the success in 2016, own the Hispanic loyalty, and convert states like Florida, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Texas to become reliably blue
Assumption
The DNC possesses reliable demographic data and voting statistics of US Hispanics. This document does not seek either to address or expand on DNC data.
Issues
US Hispanics have been underrepresented and marginalized in education, finance and civic representation, while being the fastest growing demographic in the US, in the last 40 years
1. The Latino share of eligible voters is growing Latinos will make up 13 percent of all eligible voters in 2016, a 2 percent increase from 2012 higher in some states. In Florida, for example, the share of eligible voters who are Latino will increase from 17.1 percent in 2012 to 20.2 percent in 2016. And in Nevada, the increase is from15.9% to 18.8%.
2. Hispanic voter turnout is low—compared to other groups. Hispanic voter turnout in 2012 was 48% compared with 64.1% for non-Hispanic whites and 66.2% for blacks.
3. A total of 800,000 Latinos turn 18 each year—one every 30 seconds (or more than 66,000 individuals per month). Ninety-three percent of Latino children are U.S.-born citizens and will be eligible to vote when they reach age 18. As of 2014, one in four children in the United States—17.6 million total—were Latino.
4. As of 2013, 3.9 million lawful permanent residents were eligible to become citizens but had not naturalized. They come from Latin American countries, with more than 2.7 million from Mexico. Horrified by the anti-Hispanic messages coming from Trump, Cruz and others, they are applying for citizenship in record numbers.
5. Hispanic voters are voting for Democrats in ever-increasing margins (% voting for D minus % voting for R). The margins were 18% in 2004, 36% in 2008 and 44% in 2012
6. These five facts suggest that increasing Hispanic turnout could—and likely would—lead to the election of many more Democrats.
7. Traditional methods to reach Hispanics are ineffective. They include
i. Hispano/Leadership to reach/engage
ii. TV/Print
8. US Hispanic Millennials feel betrayed by politics, elected officials and parties
9. US Hispanic Millennials distrust politicians and parties
10. The US Hispanic Demographic is made up of multiple “Hispanic” or “Latino” cultures
11. There is no homogeneous Omni-channel platform that can scale across each Hispanic/Latino community in the country to
• Discover/learn issues and how they impact local communities
• Share and express point-of-view re: issues
• Feel included in process
• Be motivated to take action (Register and vote)
Solution
In order for a dramatic and impactful GOTV and branding effort targeting the US Hispanic eligible voters, the solution must be focused on the US Hispanic Millennial. This effort will be successful if the brand marketing is based on issues and conversations versus direct politicking, polling, advertising and robo-calling. P2P now replaces Door-to-door, which obligates the 2016 effort to have a strong digital and interative/experiential execution.
To register Hispanic/Latino Millennial voters and motivate them to vote via an Omni-channel platform to include:
1. Web
2. Mobile Messaging Platforms
3. Mobile Video Vehicles (automobile or other)
4. In person experiential events + voter registration
The features of an Omni-channel platform, with Viral Loop, scalable to dozens of Hispanic Communities Nationally:
1. GOTV
a. Responsive Web applications with deep link interaction connecting partner sites
b. P2P / P2G mobile application based on Messaging
c. Issue Discovery + Call To Action
i. Broadcast issues (content) to mobile application and website
ii. Subscriber expresses opinion or sentiment
iii. Straw voting
2. Allow communities to engage with each other and create sustainable behavior
a. Social Media +Networking
i. Link all social media & networks to mobile applications and website
ii. Allow direct targeting of local communities
3. Reach out to communities
a. Experiential events in conjunction with video story telling and local events
b. Organize local events via mobile city-to-city
c. Provide video based storytelling of Hispanics/Latinos to express themselves
d. Setup GOTV activities at each local event
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I've also heard of schools that have career based tuition. Rather than pay ahead of time, you pay a percentage of your gross income when you enter into the workforce. From what I hear, it works out much better for those students and they prefer it.
Schools would essentially stop offering a majority of specialities then, and would probably get some kind of biases in regards to which regions they recruit students from.
Not to mention if statistics the left constantly present have any truth to them, they would target white men as well
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It has nothing to do with the president personally doing it.
It has to so with the system being blatantly corrupt and incompetent, and Trump and Clinton being clear proof of that fact.
Which government agencies specifically are corrupt and how would it affect the administration of public education and healthcare?
You're not making a real argument, you're just spouting "it wouldn't work, because the government!"
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Which government agencies specifically are corrupt and how would it affect the administration of public education and healthcare?
You're not making a real argument, you're just spouting "it wouldn't work, because the government!"
Well to be fair I said if Trump and Clinton are the best this country can produce for the most powerful position in the world, what makes you think anything else the government does would be better?
And you're talking about a program where the government would give billions and billions of dollars to people to go to schools run by the... Government! Nope no opportunity for corruption there, not at all. Nor is thst any kind of conflict of interest or anything.
Also we can't pay for the debt we currently have, we can't afford a proper fix to healthcare, and we can't afford for social security which is going to topple over soon as well.
Your solution is start another massive government entitlement program which would cost further billions?
Let me ask you this. If the current problem is people can't pay off their student loans because they aren't getting good jobs that can pay off those loans (or put otherwise people are not getting a positive return on their investment). How is the solution for the government to then subsidize these bad investments for the entire country? (when they already can't pay their bills)
This is freaking stupid.
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The quality of the schools will definitely get worse, which will draw more people to the private ones. That alone will drive up the cost. Not sure it's such a good idea. I think community and city colleges are cheap enough already. I paid my way through Queens College with a part time job.
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The quality of the schools will definitely get worse, which will draw more people to the private ones. That alone will drive up the cost. Not sure it's such a good idea. I think community and city colleges are cheap enough already. I paid my way through Queens College with a part time job.
But why?
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Well to be fair I said if Trump and Clinton are the best this country can produce for the most powerful position in the world, what makes you think anything else the government does would be better?
And you're talking about a program where the government would give billions and billions of dollars to people to go to schools run by the... Government! Nope no opportunity for corruption there, not at all. Nor is thst any kind of conflict of interest or anything.
Also we can't pay for the debt we currently have, we can't afford a proper fix to healthcare, and we can't afford for social security which is going to topple over soon as well.
Your solution is start another massive government entitlement program which would cost further billions?
Let me ask you this. If the current problem is people can't pay off their student loans because they aren't getting good jobs that can pay off those loans (or put otherwise people are not getting a positive return on their investment). How is the solution for the government to then subsidize these bad investments for the entire country? (when they already can't pay their bills)
This is freaking stupid.
You're right, public school is freaking stupid.
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But why?
My dad's exact words "I vork my derriere off to come to country and get you education. You vant more education you vork you derriere off."
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You're right, public school is freaking stupid.
Yet I'm the one who is making a poor argument.
It's this simple. If graduates aren't capable of paying off their student loans, then these programs are poor investments. Your sokution to the problem is what led to the housing crisis which almost led to the greatest depression this country has ever seen.
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Yet I'm the one who is making a poor argument.
It's this simple. If graduates aren't capable of paying off their student loans, then these programs are poor investments. Your sokution to the problem is what led to the housing crisis which almost led to the greatest depression this country has ever seen.
It is not at all similar to what led to the housing crisis. Please come up with better examples.
If anything, the current student loan debt situation is more likely to lead to a similar bubble burst.
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Yet I'm the one who is making a poor argument.
It's this simple. If graduates aren't capable of paying off their student loans, then these programs are poor investments. Your sokution to the problem is what led to the housing crisis which almost led to the greatest depression this country has ever seen.
If it's backed by the government then it's not at all like the credit crunch. It'll just turn into another inflated social program.
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The government already gives out a ton of grants for college and technical schools. I remember my first year at TCI (took a break from traditional college) and I was probably one of the only white people there. During lunch there would be rap battles in the cafeteria. It was a fuckn zoo. Next semester half the kids didn't even bother coming. I think in the 2 year program only 10pct of the kids on grants even make it.
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Turns out that annoying Donna Brazile who was recently selected to be the interim head of the DNC was also implicated in the leaked emails.
This is pretty fuckn funny now.
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It is not at all similar to what led to the housing crisis. Please come up with better examples.
If anything, the current student loan debt situation is more likely to lead to a similar bubble burst.
The point is the government is going to encourage unsustainable spending
You've never mentioned how we'd fund this when we can't even fund our current excrement
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I was probably one of the only white people there. It was a fuckn zoo.
Wooooo new sig
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Turns out that annoying Donna Brazile who was recently selected to be the interim head of the DNC was also implicated in the leaked emails.
This is pretty fuckn funny now.
And the Clinton camp is now saying they it's Russian agents who are doing this whole thing, to throw the USA into turmoil
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And the Clinton camp is now saying they it's Russian agents who are doing this whole thing, to throw the USA into turmoil
I think they forgot it's not the 1950s.
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I think they forgot it's not the 1950s.
Yeah, people keep acting like this is the Cold War and Russia still has influence over world affairs. They don't. The country just doesn't matter anymore. NATO's whole point was to keep the iron curtain in check, so Trump has a point when he says that the U.S. really shouldn't be footing the bill to "protect" Europe from a power that no longer exists.
This ain't he movies. The U.S is and will remain the world's lone superpower for a long, long time.
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https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/statements/2016/07/24/hillary-clinton-statement-on-the-resignation-of-democratic-national-committee-chair-debbie-wasserman-schultz/
Hillary brings Wasserman-schultz on as the honorary chair of her campaign.
This election is so rigged for Hillary she don't give a freak
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The point is the government is going to encourage unsustainable spending
You've never mentioned how we'd fund this when we can't even fund our current excrement
Numerous suggestions have been made for how it would be funded, you should do your research and then tell me why they won't work.
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My dad's exact words "I vork my derriere off to come to country and get you education. You vant more education you vork you derriere off."
Your dad is Dracula?
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Numerous suggestions have been made for how it would be funded, you should do your research and then tell me why they won't work.
If you're referring to Bernie Sanders pipe dreams, I'd remind you we don't live in Narnia.
We haven't even figured out or implemented a plan to balance the budget, or save social security. So talking about how easy it would be to fund a massive entitlement spending program which would not have any kind of return on investment is absurd.
Bernie s plan to pay for it was a 300 billion dollar tax on Wallstreet speculators a year. First of all that's completely unrealistic, and second of all an obscenely massive tax hike on investing would have significant affects on the economy and gdp growth.
I'm not saying that socialized government plans aren't feasible or possible, as I'm sure they are (I just don't like them or agree with them). But grownups realize that Bernie Sanders was a loonie toon who has no understanding of economics
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Don't think this is a politically biased site, but rather more focused on what it would do to the stock market
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/what-would-bernie-sanders-wall-st-tax-look-like-2016-02-14
They even point out that it would cannibalize capital gains taxes, as well as hurt the economy and stock market. And that almost all research done on the subject suggests it would make the stock market more volatile
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No it isn't.
"If Trump is elected, all that is gone."
This is commonly referred to as lying.
I was mostly referring to the supreme court ramifications. Lazy post.
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I was mostly referring to the supreme court ramifications. Lazy post.
You do realize that Trump is a liberal right?
His Supreme Court pick would be far more moderate than you think.
That's not to. Suggest he wouldn't make a stupid pick, because that's entirely possible. But I doubt it would be some crazy far right but
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You do realize that Trump is a liberal right?
His Supreme Court pick would be far more moderate than you think.
That's not to. Suggest he wouldn't make a stupid pick, because that's entirely possible. But I doubt it would be some crazy far right but
This has been my conspiracy theory from day 1. Trump is in this to get Hillary elected and destroy the republican party. Then write a book about it and make millions.
On a side note... The Burn is going to do a great job as the new head of the Senate.
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This has been my conspiracy theory from day 1. Trump is in this to get Hillary elected and destroy the republican party. Then write a book about it and make millions.
On a side note... The Burn is going to do a great job as the new head of the Senate.
Not sure if you're messing around or delusional. But Sanders will not be the head of the Senate.
The right thinks he's crazy, and the left has no respect for him
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If you're referring to Bernie Sanders pipe dreams, I'd remind you we don't live in Narnia.
We haven't even figured out or implemented a plan to balance the budget, or save social security. So talking about how easy it would be to fund a massive entitlement spending program which would not have any kind of return on investment is absurd.
Bernie s plan to pay for it was a 300 billion dollar tax on Wallstreet speculators a year. First of all that's completely unrealistic, and second of all an obscenely massive tax hike on investing would have significant affects on the economy and gdp growth.
I'm not saying that socialized government plans aren't feasible or possible, as I'm sure they are (I just don't like them or agree with them). But grownups realize that Bernie Sanders was a loonie toon who has no understanding of economics
I never said it would be easy. Just that it's possible, which you've admitted.
For some reason the people who are the angriest when they look at the gross vs net on their pay stub always feel they understand economics better than anyone else.
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I never said it would be easy. Just that it's possible, which you've admitted.
For some reason the people who are the angriest when they look at the gross vs net on their pay stub always feel they understand economics better than anyone else.
Considering that almost 50% of Americans pay little to no federal income tax I tend to think there's a very good chance that's true. Although there's certainly exceptions to the rule
And it also tends to be the people who don't pay taxes who talk about how easy a fix raising taxes would be
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(and on that last comment I was generally referring to Bernie Sanders supporters)
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(and on that last comment I was generally referring to Bernie Sanders supporters)
Obviously, though more people fitting that description voted for the two pieces of excrement at the forefront now.
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Obviously, though more people fitting that description voted for the two pieces of excrement at the forefront now.
Which is why they won't their primaries and he didn't m
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And the Clinton camp is now saying they it's Russian agents who are doing this whole thing, to throw the USA into turmoil
I think they forgot it's not the 1950s.
Yeah, people keep acting like this is the Cold War and Russia still has influence over world affairs. They don't. The country just doesn't matter anymore. NATO's whole point was to keep the iron curtain in check, so Trump has a point when he says that the U.S. really shouldn't be footing the bill to "protect" Europe from a power that no longer exists.
This ain't he movies. The U.S is and will remain the world's lone superpower for a long, long time.
This bullshit is starting to leak into my feed now.
I guess Hillary can start blaming all her controversies on the Russians now instead of the republicans.
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This bullshit is starting to leak into my feed now.
I guess Hillary can start blaming all her controversies on the Russians now instead of the republicans.
Did you hear her comments about how she found it sad that all anyone did at the RNC was bash Clinton? As if she and her people haven't been bashing Trump for months, even before he got the nom.
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I don't know if confirmed but:
https://m.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4uiq42/its_happening_donald_j_trump_the_man_the_legend/
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Clinton's campaign manager's name is Bobby Mook.
Bobby. Mook.
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All the Republicans are going to run on this year is how the Democrats are the party of corruption.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/24/leaked-dnc-documents-show-plans-to-reward-big-donors-with-federal-appointments/
And the funny thing is how Bernie Sanders had been rallying against all this suit the entire campaign and he has really put it into the spotlight. If he continues to support Clinton he's truly a spineless coward. She and the DNC are just so dirty
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All the Republicans are going to run on this year is how the Democrats are the party of corruption.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/24/leaked-dnc-documents-show-plans-to-reward-big-donors-with-federal-appointments/
And the funny thing is how Bernie Sanders had been rallying against all this suit the entire campaign and he has really put it into the spotlight. If he continues to support Clinton he's truly a spineless coward. She and the DNC are just so dirty
"Bernie Sanders sucks because he won't do what I want. He should abandon any chance of implementing his policies so people on the Internet will write less mean things about him."
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Tommy, find the latest 538 projection and post it here. freaking lol.
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All the Republicans are going to run on this year is how the Democrats are the party of corruption.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/24/leaked-dnc-documents-show-plans-to-reward-big-donors-with-federal-appointments/
And the funny thing is how Bernie Sanders had been rallying against all this suit the entire campaign and he has really put it into the spotlight. If he continues to support Clinton he's truly a spineless coward. She and the DNC are just so dirty
If there's one thing learned from the Ted Cruz non-endorsement, it's that you endorse your candidate and move on. Cruz will be lucky to get re-elected from what he pulled, especially if Trump wins the election.
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If there's one thing learned from the Ted Cruz non-endorsement, it's that you endorse your candidate and move on. Cruz will be lucky to get re-elected from what he pulled, especially if Trump wins the election.
Cruz is a smelly stupid whiny queynte, I hope he gets beat to death, he should be nowhere near congress. He's a hateful spiteful scumbag that incites the worst in people. I have zero idea how that steaming pile of excrement got into the colleges he did, he seems dumber than a brick, in fact have I mentioned that I would be happy if he got beat to death with a brick?
That said, good for him not endorsing that schmuck, last I checked it's a free country. Cruz is going to vote for Hillary, hahahaha.
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Cruz is a smelly stupid whiny queynte, I hope he gets beat to death, he should be nowhere near congress. He's a hateful spiteful scumbag that incites the worst in people. I have zero idea how that steaming pile of excrement got into the colleges he did, he seems dumber than a brick, in fact have I mentioned that I would be happy if he got beat to death with a brick?
That said, good for him not endorsing that schmuck, last I checked it's a free country. Cruz is going to vote for Hillary, hahahaha.
Ted Cruz has sucked many dicks. That's how he got elected. That man has the face of a human being who has cleaned massive amounts of cum off his pointy gay chin.
He's the guy that everyone hates in the beer league but somehow became in charge. He's literally that guy.
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(http://i.imgur.com/VrMSoin.gif)
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Ted Cruz has sucked many dicks. That's how he got elected. That man has the face of a human being who has cleaned massive amounts of cum off his pointy gay chin.
He's the guy that everyone hates in the beer league but somehow became in charge. He's literally that guy.
(http://i.imgur.com/VrMSoin.gif)
Pretty much yeah........
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Cruz is a smelly stupid whiny queynte, I hope he gets beat to death, he should be nowhere near congress. He's a hateful spiteful scumbag that incites the worst in people. I have zero idea how that steaming pile of excrement got into the colleges he did, he seems dumber than a brick, in fact have I mentioned that I would be happy if he got beat to death with a brick?
That said, good for him not endorsing that schmuck, last I checked it's a free country. Cruz is going to vote for Hillary, hahahaha.
I don't think Cruz is dumb. I just find some of his policies despicable.
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"Bernie Sanders sucks because he won't do what I want. He should abandon any chance of implementing his policies so people on the Internet will write less mean things about him."
His policies suck
And what the DNC did could literally be criminal.
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His policies suck
And what the DNC did could literally be criminal.
Missing the point as usual.
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I don't think Cruz is dumb. I just find some of his policies despicable.
He sure sounds like an ignoramus.
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Missing the point as usual.
the point is he wants to ally up with all the corruption that he spent his campaign complaining about to get his policies enacted
Im sure Hillary used the same justification before she became a corrupt career criminal
Also his policies won't get implemented because he's a crazy loonies toon which has unrealistic entitlement programs that only appeal to children
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the point is he wants to ally up with all the corruption that he spent his campaign complaining about to get his policies enacted
Im sure Hillary used the same justification before she became a corrupt career criminal
Sanders lost for the love of god stop already, who freaking cares. you're not voting for that queynte he endorsed anyhow. It would have accomplished jack excrement if he went Ted Cruz on the dyke.
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Also his policies won't get implemented because he's a crazy loonies toon which has unrealistic entitlement programs that only appeal to children
As you're by far the most childish poster on this site, I have to assume you do have superior command of their demographic and political inclinations. That being said, you should know that many countries inhabited by adults do succeed with policies similar to the ones Sanders advocates for.
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the point is he wants to ally up with all the corruption that he spent his campaign complaining about to get his policies enacted
Im sure Hillary used the same justification before she became a corrupt career criminal
Also his policies won't get implemented because he's a crazy loonies toon which has unrealistic entitlement programs that only appeal to children
Do you just bash your head against the keyboard and hope for the best?
If so, please bash harder.
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Sanders lost for the love of god stop already, who freaking cares. you're not voting for that queynte he endorsed anyhow. It would have accomplished jack excrement if he went Ted Cruz on the dyke.
But but but he would have earned slightly less scorn from dcm, and that's what this election is all about.
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DNC iz a Circus!!!
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Do you just bash your head against the keyboard and hope for the best?
If so, please bash harder.
It's ok I used to be a one party zealot too and assume everything they do is great.
You guys will learn one day when you grow up and stop feeling the Bern
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dcm telling someone else to grow up is the most MASSIVE burn of all time
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DCM does have a point. Bernie has been talking about how corrupt the system is for a while now, so to continue to support the DNC and Clinton is an affront to his supporters. Why would the DNC agree to Bernie's purposes policies? They just showed that they can nominate who they want without his grassroots campaign. And why on earth would any Bernie supporter believe that Clinton will honor her promises when both the DNC and HRC have been completely opposite of honest.
Bernie would be better off running as an independent to sabotage the DNC and Clinton. Sure it'll likely mean a Trump presidency, but it'll at least force the DNC to change.
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dcm telling someone else to grow up is the most MASSIVE burn of all time
Can they feel the burn?
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DCM does have a point. Bernie has been talking about how corrupt the system is for a while now, so to continue to support the DNC and Clinton is an affront to his supporters. Why would the DNC agree to Bernie's purposes policies? They just showed that they can nominate who they want without his grassroots campaign. And why on earth would any Bernie supporter believe that Clinton will honor her promises when both the DNC and HRC have been completely opposite of honest.
Bernie would be better off running as an independent to sabotage the DNC and Clinton. Sure it'll likely mean a Trump presidency, but it'll at least force the DNC to change.
I'm not necessarily saying to hand Trump the election or run 3rd party. But bang the drum about how corrupt the DNC is and demand reform NOW. Not this bullshit where they are making promises to fix later.
And it's laughable to depend on someone who literally stole the election using platform corruption and mega wealthy donors to reform both those things. They're just gonna placate him and ignore him. If you think the corrupt Clinton machine is going to burn down its corrupt loopholes that allowed her to dishonestly win, well then that explains why you think Bernie could finance his loonie toons plans
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DCM does have a point. Bernie has been talking about how corrupt the system is for a while now, so to continue to support the DNC and Clinton is an affront to his supporters. Why would the DNC agree to Bernie's purposes policies? They just showed that they can nominate who they want without his grassroots campaign. And why on earth would any Bernie supporter believe that Clinton will honor her promises when both the DNC and HRC have been completely opposite of honest.
Bernie would be better off running as an independent to sabotage the DNC and Clinton. Sure it'll likely mean a Trump presidency, but it'll at least force the DNC to change.
Clinton has dick pics of him waiting to be leaked.
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It's ok I used to be a one party zealot too and assume everything they do is great.
You guys will learn one day when you grow up and stop feeling the Bern
If you were paying attention you'd notice Sanders supporters are the least zealous dyed-in-the-wool Democrats.
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DCM does have a point. Bernie has been talking about how corrupt the system is for a while now, so to continue to support the DNC and Clinton is an affront to his supporters. Why would the DNC agree to Bernie's purposes policies? They just showed that they can nominate who they want without his grassroots campaign. And why on earth would any Bernie supporter believe that Clinton will honor her promises when both the DNC and HRC have been completely opposite of honest.
Bernie would be better off running as an independent to sabotage the DNC and Clinton. Sure it'll likely mean a Trump presidency, but it'll at least force the DNC to change.
"I've never supported Sanders in any way but here's what I want him to do."
You understand why no one can take it seriously when you or dcm make this argument?
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They just spent the first 30mins of the DNC talking about heroine addiction and how only Hilary cares about it. Trump has been talking about it for a while, and how do you think that heroine gets here?
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Lol at me being a Democrat. I have never voted for one.
Oh on second thought I voted for one once, I hated the incumbent.
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Holy excrement they brought an illegal immigrant to talk at the DNC. Yeah because freak our border policies and immigration laws.
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Holy excrement they brought an illegal immigrant to talk at the DNC. Yeah because freak our border policies and immigration laws.
They're going all in on winning the Hispanic vote for generations, and turning them into the new black
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This is embarrassing.
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There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
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As much as I don't like Trump, I hope that move turns more white people against her. Bringing an illegal to talk at the DNC is dirty
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As much as I don't like Trump, I hope that move turns more white people against her. Bringing an illegal to talk at the DNC is dirty
Hilary just complained about the RNC being an Anti-Hilary fest, yet this has been nothing but Trump-bashing. Bringing in an illegal was stupid. Is Hilary admitting that she supports illegal immigration? Wtf is her point?
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They just spent the first 30mins of the DNC talking about heroine addiction and how only Hilary cares about it. Trump has been talking about it for a while, and how do you think that heroine gets here?
We all know your theories on how heroines get here: "freaking Star Wars and liberal Hollywood trying to shove strong female leads down our throats." Obviously with so many people now addicted to heroines, it's clear that the people wanted those leads.
It's an odd thing to have heroine discussion at the DNC, though.
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We all know your theories on how heroines get here: "freaking Star Wars and liberal Hollywood trying to shove strong female leads down our throats." Obviously with so many people now addicted to heroines, it's clear that the people wanted those leads.
It's an odd thing to have heroine discussion at the DNC, though.
Well isn't her campaign slogan I'm with heroine
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We all know your theories on how heroines get here: "freaking Star Wars and liberal Hollywood trying to shove strong female leads down our throats." Obviously with so many people now addicted to heroines, it's clear that the people wanted those leads.
It's an odd thing to have heroine discussion at the DNC, though.
4 honks
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
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Lol. Maybe not the best time to preach Hillary's "core values".
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Oh man the pandering is so bad.
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freak this so hard. Sarah Silverman just called the Democratic primary "exemplary". freak her, freak Hillary, and freak the entire party.
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freak this so hard. Sarah Silverman just called the Democratic primary "exemplary". freak her, freak Hillary, and freak the entire party.
Being drowned out by Bernie chants was funny. That was awkward. Paul Simon took way too long getting ready.
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I refuse to believe that plastic mewling garbage was once Paul Simon.
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freak this so hard. Sarah Silverman just called the Democratic primary "exemplary". freak her, freak Hillary, and freak the entire party.
Didn't she once literally prostitute herself out to billionaires to donate to the Democrats or something?
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http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2016/07/25/facebook-wikileaks-links/
I guess they were afraid of Hillary having someone murder them in their sleep or something
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Didn't she once literally prostitute herself out to billionaires to donate to the Democrats or something?
Only if you're a woman with a neatly trimmed hoo-ha, that woman doesn't freak dudes any longer. If she wins she will check the women and gay boxes. Too bad she's not a Hispanic Jew, four the price of one.
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So her husband dies and she decides to spend her money on a real estate course?
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I saw on the twitters that Sarah Silverman slipped in a bababooey at the end of her speech.
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Trump made his investors a lot of money. The freak is Warren talking about?
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Are they nominating Sanders tonight?
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Sorry, but I can no longer take Bernie Sanders seriously when he's giving his 1%/wealth distribution spiel. You are endorsing the antithesis of what you're railing against.
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excrement even Ted Cruz went down with more dignity.
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The man certainly knows how to make a speech. That guy just wet so many panties I'm speechless.
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You guys are actually watching this? I am watching I Spit on Your Grave/Vengeance. It seems way more interesting than Democrats National verbal maturation session.
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You guys are actually watching this? I am watching I Spit on Your Grave/Vengeance. It seems way more interesting than Democrats National verbal maturation session.
Psst. I watched that weeks ago. I love msnbc showing delegates bashing Clinton left and right.
I don't understand anything anymore, lol
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Sorry, but I can no longer take Bernie Sanders seriously when he's giving his 1%/wealth distribution spiel. You are endorsing the antithesis of what you're railing against.
Aside from speaking at some Wall Street firm-sponsored conferences, what exactly makes Hilary so pro bulge bracket?
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Psst. I watched that weeks ago. I love msnbc showing delegates bashing Clinton left and right.
I don't understand anything anymore, lol
I am watching #3, you watched that one?
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You guys are actually watching this?
No
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I watched it. I was curious to see what would happen. Booker and Michelle were terrific. Warren and Bernie took there medicine and did fine.
At least I didn't have to fact check on google much, so that was a plus.
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LaQueenia is a NAME! I'm sorry, boo. I hope you got a raise with this title.
Democrats aren't racist though so this is OK
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/17942
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This fuckin leak has been so goddamn gratifying. I am not a republican or a democrat. They're the same, except dems push their PC agenda - fuckin hypocrites. All of them.
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Taco bowl engagement. Hahaha. I wonder what they call the gay and lesbian voters. Pink taco bowl?
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Why couldn't Hillary send emails. Like this in her scandal
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The gift that keeps giving
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/dnc-leak-clinton-team-deflected-state-cash-concerns-226191
Also the Clinton campaign chairman said he's knows that Russia was behind the leak because Trump has a Bromance with Putin.
Honestly if that were true I think it would be a good reason to elect Trump, we need help from Russia to get excrement done
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November 2016, when a meme becomes President
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Democrats aren't racist though so this is OK
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/17942
I will never understand why people make up such stupid freaking names. I mean, I get the mentality behind reinvention, but some of the names people come up with are retarded.
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Honestly if that were true I think it would be a good reason to elect Trump, we need help from Russia to get excrement done
Like building the wall.
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I will never understand why people make up such stupid freaking names. I mean, I get the mentality behind reinvention, but some of the names people come up with are retarded.
Think about the people who ran for offices when you were in school.
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Like building the wall.
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The Russian killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. Guy was an interior decorator.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/clinton-says-theres-a-hillary-standard-and-a-different-standard-for-everyone-else-bad-idea/
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/clinton-says-theres-a-hillary-standard-and-a-different-standard-for-everyone-else-bad-idea/
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Didn't they spend the entire first day of the DNC showing videos of Trump saying stuff and saying that they should expect more from the Commander in Chief? She's delusional.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/clinton-says-theres-a-hillary-standard-and-a-different-standard-for-everyone-else-bad-idea/
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"While just 30 percent say Clinton is honest and trustworthy, 43 percent say the same of Trump."
Yeeeeesh. That's really hard to do
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Fake, but still
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Think about the people who ran for offices when you were in school.
Self serving faggots that no one could truly be best friends with because of how selfish and gay they were?
I knew those cunts back in school. Some are sad excuses for human beings now. Others are successful, but no one could give a excrement.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/4-brutal-poll-numbers-that-greet-hillary-clinton-at-the-democratic-national-convention/
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"Where was Donald Trump during 9/11?!!!"
Um, right there:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ZYXygIcIJ6I
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"Where was Donald Trump during 9/11?!!!"
Um, right there:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ZYXygIcIJ6I
That can't be right. Everyone knows he was in Jersey watching thousands of Muslims dancing in the streets.
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That can't be right. Everyone knows he was in Jersey watching thousands of Muslims dancing in the streets.
Maybe not thousands but I definitely remember that day and hearing about people celebrating the attacks in NJ.
Found an article from then:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/09/18/northern-new-jersey-draws-probers-eyes/40f82ea4-e015-4d6e-a87e-93aa433fafdc/?tid=a_inl
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Citing Hilary's record as Secretary of State isn't very smart.
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Self serving faggots that no one could truly be best friends with because of how selfish and gay they were?
I knew those cunts back in school. Some are sad excuses for human beings now. Others are successful, but no one could give a excrement.
Pretty much my point.
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http://www.thefader.com/2016/07/22/eric-andre-republican-national-convention-alex-jones
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Jeff Cook is gonna make some bank this fiscal year
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Donald Trump doing AMA on reddit.com/r/the_donald tonight
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Donald Trump doing AMA on reddit.com/r/the_donald tonight
I'm more interested in this than either convention.
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I'm more interested in this than either convention.
Why? That sub is a far right echo chamber, the whole thing will be an exercise in pre-vetted patsy questions answered by a semi-literate staffer and tell us absolutely nothing of any interest or value.
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Why? That sub is a far right echo chamber, the whole thing will be an exercise in pre-vetted patsy questions answered by a semi-literate staffer and tell us absolutely nothing of any interest or value.
Yeah but memes
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This business with Trump "asking Russia to spy on Hillary" is pretty great.
"HOW IS THIS NOT TREASON!?!"
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This business with Trump "asking Russia to spy on Hillary" is pretty great.
"HOW IS THIS NOT TREASON!?!"
The spinzone on this is so far out of hand I can't take the media seriously anymore. If the deleted emails don't contain anything other than Hillary's yoga schedule, as she has maintained all along, then who freaking cares?
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This business with Trump "asking Russia to spy on Hillary" is pretty great.
"HOW IS THIS NOT TREASON!?!"
Key word "IF" you have access to the emails then you should release them to the FBI. How can Russia hack already deleted emails? If they all of a sudden released them then you know for damn sure that she fucked up.
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http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now
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http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now
That's interesting and I have a lot of time for Silver, but you have to think that the Democrats' ground game between now and November will have a serious impact in Florida. This is the time that the real campaign machine gets into gear and thus far Trump's camp seems to be somewhat shambolic; both candidates are their own weakest link, but Clinton has a lifetime of campaigning experience to draw on and I would expect that to count over the coming months. Based on the numbers in that link, Florida is the difference and I doubt that Trump did himself any favours there with his attacks on Cruz, Rubio and immigrants. If Clinton can get the people who voted for Obama in the last two elections to come out again, she should be able to take it - I doubt that Trump gets all the people who voted for Romney and McCain to come out for him.
I'm fascinated to see what effect Johnson has, I have been convinced by you guys that the third way is going to be a much bigger factor this time out and I'm curious to see which side he'll draw the most votes away from.
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This business with Trump "asking Russia to spy on Hillary" is pretty great.
"HOW IS THIS NOT TREASON!?!"
The irony being of course that Hillary has been giving all our information including classified information to actual spys because she's computer illiterate
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http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-press-conference-2016-7
I guess it's harder to control the media at a press conference
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I am convinced at this point that Trump will dominate this election. I think it will be an almost Reaganesque victory
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http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-press-conference-2016-7
I guess it's harder to control the media at a press conference
That's a good call to do it now.
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That's interesting and I have a lot of time for Silver, but you have to think that the Democrats' ground game between now and November will have a serious impact in Florida. This is the time that the real campaign machine gets into gear and thus far Trump's camp seems to be somewhat shambolic; both candidates are their own weakest link, but Clinton has a lifetime of campaigning experience to draw on and I would expect that to count over the coming months. Based on the numbers in that link, Florida is the difference and I doubt that Trump did himself any favours there with his attacks on Cruz, Rubio and immigrants. If Clinton can get the people who voted for Obama in the last two elections to come out again, she should be able to take it - I doubt that Trump gets all the people who voted for Romney and McCain to come out for him.
I'm fascinated to see what effect Johnson has, I have been convinced by you guys that the third way is going to be a much bigger factor this time out and I'm curious to see which side he'll draw the most votes away from.
-Trump's Cruz/Rubio/immigrant stuff won't hurt him much outside of South Florida.
-Clinton will not get Obama turnout. People just aren't excited about her and I don't think the NeverTrumps will offset that completely.
-Johnson should get almost all of his votes from Republicans and Independents. Any Democrats who vote for him either don't know or care about his policies, or may have registered Democrat by mistake.
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It would be interesting to see Hillary do a press conference that isn't scripted. I can't imagine she will do anything like that anytime soon, nor should she if she's smart.
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It would be interesting to see Hillary do a press conference that isn't scripted. I can't imagine she will do anything like that anytime soon, nor should she if she's smart.
That's why she'll get creamed in the debates.
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The Trump AMA starts in 20 minutes, but the thread's already up. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4uxdbn/im_donald_j_trump_and_im_your_next_president_of/
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That's interesting and I have a lot of time for Silver, but you have to think that the Democrats' ground game between now and November will have a serious impact in Florida. This is the time that the real campaign machine gets into gear and thus far Trump's camp seems to be somewhat shambolic; both candidates are their own weakest link, but Clinton has a lifetime of campaigning experience to draw on and I would expect that to count over the coming months. Based on the numbers in that link, Florida is the difference and I doubt that Trump did himself any favours there with his attacks on Cruz, Rubio and immigrants. If Clinton can get the people who voted for Obama in the last two elections to come out again, she should be able to take it - I doubt that Trump gets all the people who voted for Romney and McCain to come out for him.
I'm fascinated to see what effect Johnson has, I have been convinced by you guys that the third way is going to be a much bigger factor this time out and I'm curious to see which side he'll draw the most votes away from.
Ya I linked to the "if the election happened today" page which is definitely the most favorable towards Trump.
Johnson might be an interesting factor since he actually seems to be pulling from more would-be Clinton supporters. He's also pandering hard to Bernie people who feel slighted if my Facebook feed is any indication.
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That ama is worse than Obama's.
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That ama is worse than Obama's.
I daren't look, I'm assuming it's as I predicted?
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I daren't look, I'm assuming it's as I predicted?
LOL that's one of those truly bold predictions if you said it was going to be a excrement show.
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LOL that's one of those truly bold predictions if you said it was going to be a excrement show.
Why? That sub is a far right echo chamber, the whole thing will be an exercise in pre-vetted patsy questions answered by a semi-literate staffer and tell us absolutely nothing of any interest or value.
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Johnson might be an interesting factor since he actually seems to be pulling from more would-be Clinton supporters. He's also pandering hard to Bernie people who feel slighted if my Facebook feed is any indication.
As I posted before, I don't get how this would be the case, unless people really don't care about policy.
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As I posted before, I don't get how this would be the case, unless people really don't care about policy.
Maybe they just hate the other two alternatives?
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Exactly...... Lol
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Maybe they just hate the other two alternatives?
In most states there should be more ballot options beyond those three.
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In most states there should be more ballot options beyond those three.
Yeah, I would have thought that Stein would be more likely to take disgruntled Bernie supporters than Johnson - I don't know much about Johnson's platform but from what little I've seen he appears to be mostly libertarian with little of the Tea Party mentalism. That doesn't seem like a natural home for the left leaning side of the Democrats.
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Seems legit.
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Read Trump's AMA. Pretty standard and nothing earth-shattering, but kudos for doing one at least.
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Yeah tbh it was pretty boring. The_Donald sub is funny, it's like 4chan in there
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I was busy masturbating to Fitz's beard and forgot about the AMA.
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Yeah tbh it was pretty boring. The_Donald sub is funny, it's like 4chan in there
Still, he's done press conferences, is on TV and radio interviews practically every day, yet no one has heard a Clinton speech that wasn't scripted in nearly a year.
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Bloomberg eviscerated Trump tonight, wow that was a total bloodbath. I loved it, and yeah I know Bloomberg is almost as big a douchebag. One thing I never realized, was how annoying Bloomberg's voice is, my eardrums kept begging me to shove a sharpened pencil into them.
I listened to parts of 3 speeches by diffusion, not out of wanting to. Most of Biden, all of Bloomberg and part of Kaine. Biden was the usual crap each side does to the other, and I realize why she picked Kaine, he's as hokey a pick as they come. Kaine is a play at the midwest/south and the Hispanic vote. He's as white bred as they come goober oh and also happens to speaky spanny. He's an Old El Paso Saltine cracker, kind of a weird mix that won't inspire anything but conversely will not turn anyone off.
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Bloomberg can eviscerate Trump all he wants. Ratings for the DNC sucks so no one probably heard it.
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Bloomberg can eviscerate Trump all he wants. Ratings for the DNC sucks so no one probably heard it.
No one heard the guy with a media empire of the same name.
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While Hillary hasn't done anything risky regarding speaking/debating because she would get creamed, Trump has gone out and made so many outlandish, dumb, and contradictory statements that he pretty much can't embarrass himself speaking because the public has become numb to it and come to expect it.
One of my roommates in college used to streak the front lawn most times he got drunk. The first few times it was surprising, but after the first few times no one did more than chuckle a little.
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No one heard the guy with a media empire of the same name.
Just me.
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The latest attempted cover up in what appears to be a neverending series of lies and cover ups.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/melania-trump-biography-deleted_us_57990c1ae4b02d5d5ed3fed9?
What a freaking shambles this campaign is.
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The latest attempted cover up in what appears to be a neverending series of lies and cover ups.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/melania-trump-biography-deleted_us_57990c1ae4b02d5d5ed3fed9?
What a freaking shambles this campaign is.
Im not sure if youre being serious or joking... I tend to think the latter as youre a somewhat reasonable feller
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Im not sure if youre being serious or joking... I tend to think the latter as youre a somewhat reasonable feller
You don't think this entire election process so far has been a neverending series of lies and cover ups, despite the fact that you've been complaining about it being so louder than most on here?
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It has been, but I don't find it surprising or alarming that she lied about getting a degree. A hell of a lot of people do that in order to get a job. It doesn't make it right, but it's not the biggest scandal either.
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You don't think this entire election process so far has been a neverending series of lies and cover ups, despite the fact that you've been complaining about it being so louder than most on here?
It has been, the whole thing is a farce.
But a candidates spouse lying about having a freaking bachelors degree ? It means absolutely freaking nothing, a bachelors degree is worthless anyway. She might as well lie about her weight too who gives a freak. Hell its not even like someone lying about having a PHD or something that actually has a semblance of meaning anything. If she lied about sneaking into this country illegally , or being a lawyer or something fine. But this is just worthless nonsense which literally changes absolutely nothing.
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I think that the severity of any lie is always up for debate, and I agree that in isolation the claim that a nominee's spouse has a degree is of little consequence. I'm just astonished that we're still in this cycle of telling lies that have no value and then doing a hamfisted job of covering them up afterwards, if they can't even plan a campaign run properly how can they possibly have any reasonable claim of being suited to running the country?
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It has been, but I don't find it surprising or alarming that she lied about getting a degree. A hell of a lot of people do that in order to get a job. It doesn't make it right, but it's not the biggest scandal either.
It's also his wife. She's not running for president.
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I think that the severity of any lie is always up for debate, and I agree that in isolation the claim that a nominee's spouse has a degree is of little consequence. I'm just astonished that we're still in this cycle of telling lies that have no value and then doing a hamfisted job of covering them up afterwards, if they can't even plan a campaign run properly how can they possibly have any reasonable claim of being suited to running the country?
Theres going to be a LOT more lies coming out over the next few month. Im sure both Trump and Clinton will do FAR worse things when the criticism will be much more warranted
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Theres going to be a LOT more lies coming out over the next few month. Im sure both Trump and Clinton will do FAR worse things when the criticism will be much more warranted
I'm sure. I'm offended on behalf of all of you that both candidates are running campaigns predicated upon an assumption that the majority of the American public are so incredibly stupid. Even an arse like you deserves better than this excrement.
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I'm sure. I'm offended on behalf of all of you that both candidates are running campaigns predicated upon an assumption that the majority of the American public are so incredibly stupid. Even an arse like you deserves better than this excrement.
Can we Brexit from this election? That would be awesome. Amexit
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Maybe we can Brexit from this election. That would be awesome.
I feel like I'm living on an island of sanity.
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I'm sure. I'm offended on behalf of all of you that both candidates are running campaigns predicated upon an assumption that the majority of the American public are so incredibly stupid. Even an arse like you deserves better than this excrement.
The majority of the American public are so incredibly stupid
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I feel like I'm living on an island of sanity.
You probably are.
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I am sorry but at a base level if I married a broad that lied about a Bachelor's degree at the very least I would be pissed, provided of course I wasn't in on it. That ain't some little white lie, it's a significant lie. Your a freaking scumbag if you do it or allow it.
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It has been, the whole thing is a farce.
But a candidates spouse lying about having a freaking bachelors degree ? It means absolutely freaking nothing, a bachelors degree is worthless anyway. She might as well lie about her weight too who gives a freak. Hell its not even like someone lying about having a PHD or something that actually has a semblance of meaning anything. If she lied about sneaking into this country illegally , or being a lawyer or something fine. But this is just worthless nonsense which literally changes absolutely nothing.
Sometimes you're so freaking stupid that I pity you, in this case I want to break your freaking jaw.
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I am sorry but at a base level if I married a broad that lied about a Bachelor's degree at the very least I would be pissed, provided of course I wasn't in on it. That ain't some little white lie, it's a significant lie. Your a freaking scumbag if you do it or allow it.
You're joking right? Who the hell cares if his trophy wife went to college or not. I don't know where this idea came from that the First Lady should matter in an election. If the guy running my company has a wife who dropped out of college but is smoking hot and was a model for a long time, but lied about graduating college, why would I think any differently of him?
Hilary Clinton was very active as First Lady, even annoyingly so. Laura Bush did some stuff but mostly hung in the shadows. Michelle Obama was very active, but not politically, which I respect. But we're not electing the president's wife. Who cares?
They probably just recently found out and figured they take it down now before the press and party does their usual digging around.
Also, the Clinton camp can't be all "I'm a woman hear me roar" and then go around harassing Trump's wife over mundane excrement. That would be hypocritical of them.
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It's not like Bill Clinton has ever lied about anything
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It's not like Bill Clinton has ever lied about anything
And there's that. I can see Hilary bringing up the Melaina thing in a debate, and Trump countering with that. Man that's gonna be some good TV.
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And there's that. I can see Hilary bringing up the Melaina thing in a debate, and Trump countering with that. Man that's gonna be some good TV.
You know "Hillary" has 2 L's, right?
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You're joking right? Who the hell cares if his trophy wife went to college or not. I don't know where this idea came from that the First Lady should matter in an election. If the guy running my company has a wife who dropped out of college but is smoking hot and was a model for a long time, but lied about graduating college, why would I think any differently of him?
Hilary Clinton was very active as First Lady, even annoyingly so. Laura Bush did some stuff but mostly hung in the shadows. Michelle Obama was very active, but not politically, which I respect. But we're not electing the president's wife. Who cares?
They probably just recently found out and figured they take it down now before the press and party does their usual digging around.
Also, the Clinton camp can't be all "I'm a woman hear me roar" and then go around harassing Trump's wife over mundane excrement. That would be hypocritical of them.
No I am not kidding, unfortunately I expected nothing less out of you, glad you didn't disappoint.
Before any of you idiots misconstrue any more, I am not excusing the Clinton's and their freaking lies. However, she didn't lie about her academic standing and as such isn't freaking germane to this discussion.
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No I am not kidding, unfortunately I expected nothing less out of you, glad you didn't disappoint.
Before any of you idiots misconstrue any more, I am not excusing the Clinton's and their freaking lies. However, she didn't lie about her academic standing and as such isn't freaking germane to this discussion.
Tommy does have a point in general, but not in this case. Forget about Trump's wife for a second. If you married a girl as a "trophy wife", why would you care if she lied about a degree? Now if you married a girl because you cared about her and she had a real job, that's different. I'd be mad if my wife lied about her degree, but if I married some supermodel just for the derriere, I couldn't care less.
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You know "Hillary" has 2 L's, right?
(http://67.media.tumblr.com/4307a4df8db8440456bae89cd674bb24/tumblr_njrmirHYeh1tuig1io1_500.gif)
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Tommy does have a point in general, but not in this case. Forget about Trump's wife for a second. If you married a girl as a "trophy wife", why would you care if she lied about a degree? Now if you married a girl because you cared about her and she had a real job, that's different. I'd be mad if my wife lied about her degree, but if I married some supermodel just for the derriere, I couldn't care less.
Well if you're so vain to only marry a broad for her looks, sure no argument. It wouldn't matter anyway that marriage wouldn't last, you can just go and get the next trophy wife and then divorce her when something newer came along. Oh look that is just what one of the vain candidates does, go figure.
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Well if you're so vain to only marry a broad for her looks, sure no argument. It wouldn't matter anyway that marriage wouldn't last, you can just go and get the next trophy wife and then divorce her when something newer came along. Oh look that is just what one of the vain candidates does, go figure.
I think that's Tommy's point. Do you think Trump married his wife because she was a philosopher? I agree, it's vain. It's Trump.
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Hilllllllllaryie
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I think that's Tommy's point. Do you think Trump married his wife because she was a philosopher? I agree, it's vain. It's Trump.
He's an alpha male. Alpha males are all about image. You're not going to marry an unattractive woman just because she'd make a good partner. This is why most of my friends who got married ended up divorced soon afterwards.
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Lol @ marry an unattractive woman........
As if there are only two choices in life, marry an unattractive woman who is a good partner or marry a trophy wife who is a lying dipshit.
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It's also his wife. She's not running for president.
You say that like spouse issues have never affected an election.
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You say that like spouse issues have never affected an election.
To a certain degree sure, but they seem to have a happy and healthy marriage. Kids seem well groomed. I'd say Hillary publicly shaming the women Bill had sex with and that whole scandal is way more damning than anything Trump's past relationships. She'd be dumb to bring any of that up in a debate, and I wouldn't be surprised if Trump is intentionally trying to bait her into doing so.
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Kids seem well groomed.
(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/022013/reverse-1360259383_monkey_backside_grooming.gif)
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I was busy masturbating to Fitz's beard and forgot about the AMA.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-donald-trump-subreddit-is-in-active-revolt-against-reddits-ceo
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Sometimes you're so freaking stupid that I pity you, in this case I want to break your freaking jaw.
He's an old man and he married a supermodel.
Do you really think anyone who dates/marries a model gives a freak what her undergraduate degree is in or if she even got one?
She made a living having an attractive body
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He's an old man and he married a supermodel.
Do you really think anyone who dates/marries a model gives a freak what her undergraduate degree is in or if she even got one?
She made a living having an attractive body
I know one ex-supermodel and she's intelligent and engaging, so yes, it's possible to have both. Of course, she and her husband still got divorced, so it's not everything.
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Hillary's voice. Kill it with fire.
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I know one ex-supermodel and she's intelligent and engaging, so yes, it's possible to have both. Of course, she and her husband still got divorced, so it's not everything.
Oh I'm not saying they can't be both.
I'm just saying if a supermodel not having a bachelor's degree is a deal breaker, you got issues
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Oh I'm not saying they can't be both.
I'm just saying if a supermodel not having a bachelor's degree is a deal breaker, you got issues
Of course. For me, idiocy is a deal breaker for an actual relationship. I don't care how hot she is. I wouldn't marry a moron. I've dated hot chicks who were brainless and it got old fast. I can't imagine marrying one for status. I'd be over it so fast.
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Hillary's voice. Kill it with fire.
Brit Hume is about to incur the wrath of feminists everywhere for saying the exact same thing.
Seriously though, you'd have to be freaking deluded to vote for this hack. I'm not a fan of Johnsons pivot left to pick up the Bernie voter, but considering fatso freaking Christie saw to it that any shot New Jersey had of ever going red in anything ever again in my lifetime went straight to excrement, I'll spend my vote where it matters the most.
I'm also going to begin to come up with puns involving an eye doctor and the year 2020. But that's still just wishfully thinking the RNC would ever get behind a Paul even if he's an apple that fell way far from the ideological tree.
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How exactly did Johnson pivot left? All I've seen is him highlighting the same socially liberal stances he held all along.
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How exactly did Johnson pivot left? All I've seen is him highlighting the same socially liberal stances he held all along.
Remind me where a universal living wage, or demanding that bakers act in contravention to their deeply held religious beliefs was either
A. A part of libertarian ideology.
B. Part of his platform in 2012.
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Remind me where a universal living wage, or demanding that bakers act in contravention to their deeply held religious beliefs was either
A. A part of libertarian ideology.
B. Part of his platform in 2012.
Pretty sure Gary Johnson isn't in support of a universal basic income. When I Googled it there was one website which advocates for that kind of excrement, that said he said he was "open" to it. This is a guy who has vetoed raising the minimum wage multiple times.
If Gary Johnson supported a UBI he would get chased from the libertarian party with torches
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Yeah, he barely flirted with the idea during an interview.
As for the bakers, that is a flimsy cover for tolerating discrimination. If it stops anyone from voting for Johnson they're a piece of excrement.
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Johnson is the least libertarian candidate the LP has ever nominated by a long-shot. He's only there because he couldn't make it in the GOP and he likes weed. That said, it could either be a good thing for the LP in having a "sane" candidate who can make the party more mainstream.
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I don't know who these signatories are, but this is powerful. This is the Republican voice I want to hear.
http://warontherocks.com/2016/03/open-letter-on-donald-trump-from-gop-national-security-leaders/
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I don't know who these signatories are, but this is powerful. This is the Republican voice I want to hear.
http://warontherocks.com/2016/03/open-letter-on-donald-trump-from-gop-national-security-leaders/
Lol. What a crock of excrement. Of course their the "republican voices" you want to here because a quick google search of the signed names will reveal most of these people aren't Republican. Bonus points for the faux indignation.
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This train has no brakes. Trump will be President and you will like it
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Lol. What a crock of excrement. Of course their the "republican voices" you want to here because a quick google search of the signed names will reveal most of these people aren't Republican. Bonus points for the faux indignation.
Adelman served under Reagan.
Adesnik was part of McCain's campaign staff, advising him on foreign policy.
Auslin works at the AEI.
Baker is former CIA and a Fox News panelist.
Don't know who Barton is.
Don't know who Billings is.
Blackwill is a big time Bremer acolyte and a Bush appointee.
Blumenthal is also with the AEI.
Boot is more of a tea partier/war hawk combo.
Ellen Bork is Robert Bork's daughter. Not sure how she couldn't be a Republican...although there's Ronald Reagan jr.
Don't know about Anna Borshchevskaya.
Bosco worked for John Volpe who was a big Republican figure in the 60s and 70s.dfs
So, I mean that's just A and B, but 9 Republicans and 3 Unknowns.
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I would like to point out that's from early March. I'm not sure what their opinions are now that it's Trump v. Clinton.
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I don't know who these signatories are, but this is powerful. This is the Republican voice I want to hear.
http://warontherocks.com/2016/03/open-letter-on-donald-trump-from-gop-national-security-leaders/
Sadly almost everything they say is true.
OT really makes you wonder. If Trump actually got elected how many of his ideas could actually get implemented. I mean there's no freaking way congress or the senate would back him on almost anything he says he wants to do.
Would Trump essentially be a lame duck president right from the getgo?
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Sadly almost everything they say is true.
OT really makes you wonder. If Trump actually got elected how many of his ideas could actually get implemented. I mean there's no freaking way congress or the senate would back him on almost anything he says he wants to do.
Would Trump essentially be a lame duck president right from the getgo?
Hypothetically I'd be willing to roll the dice on 4 years of Trump with a Democrat majority House/Senate.
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Johnson is the least libertarian candidate the LP has ever nominated by a long-shot. He's only there because he couldn't make it in the GOP and he likes weed. That said, it could either be a good thing for the LP in having a "sane" candidate who can make the party more mainstream.
It's kind of hard to find a pure Libertarian who has any semblance of electability.
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Sadly almost everything they say is true.
OT really makes you wonder. If Trump actually got elected how many of his ideas could actually get implemented. I mean there's no freaking way congress or the senate would back him on almost anything he says he wants to do.
Would Trump essentially be a lame duck president right from the getgo?
He'd accomplish almost nothing. That's why I'm extra annoyed by the fear tactics the Dems are using. Their ardent supporters are even more obnoxious than usual.
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Adelman served under Reagan.
Adesnik was part of McCain's campaign staff, advising him on foreign policy.
Auslin works at the AEI.
Baker is former CIA and a Fox News panelist.
Don't know who Barton is.
Don't know who Billings is.
Blackwill is a big time Bremer acolyte and a Bush appointee.
Blumenthal is also with the AEI.
Boot is more of a tea partier/war hawk combo.
Ellen Bork is Robert Bork's daughter. Not sure how she couldn't be a Republican...although there's Ronald Reagan jr.
Don't know about Anna Borshchevskaya.
Bosco worked for John Volpe who was a big Republican figure in the 60s and 70s.dfs
So, I mean that's just A and B, but 9 Republicans and 3 Unknowns.
Chertoff was appointed Secretary of Homeland Security by Bush and was part of the Senate Whitewater Committee.
Chovanec is an economist specialising in China, can't see anything about political affiliations.
Clad was a Deputy Assistance Secretary of Defense under Bush.
Cohen is a neo-con hawk who worked for Rice and believes that Bush should have gone to war with Iran.
Coldebella was one of Bush's cybersecurity experts at DHS.
Don't know about Cordero.
Don't know about Coulter.
Crocker was an Assistant Secretary of State for Reagan.
Don't know Cronin.
Cropsey is a neo-con who worked for Bush Jr.
That's the Cs, can't be bothered doing any more. Seven Republicans and three unknowns, but it's reasonable to assume the pattern continues. Still, no true Scotsman and all that.
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He'd accomplish almost nothing. That's why I'm extra annoyed by the fear tactics the Dems are using. Their ardent supporters are even more obnoxious than usual.
Nah dude, we will literally have the hunger games in the u.s. by 2018 if Trump is elected.
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Trump could reverse all executive orders. He will get at least 2 SCOTUS nominees. He could probably torpedo the Iran deal. He would certainly freak geopolitical relations. He'd have control of the military.
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Trump could reverse all executive orders. He will get at least 2 SCOTUS nominees. He could probably torpedo the Iran deal. He would certainly freak geopolitical relations. He'd have control of the military.
You forgot the holocaust of gays, Muslims, and Mexicans (or anyone who looks Mexican). Cops will do drive-bys on black elementary schools. Obamacare will be replaced by mandatory AIDS injections. Jon Stewart will be publicly executed. The US will nuke Canada for putting milk in bags.
All because I voted for Jill Stein. freak.
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You forgot the holocaust of gays, Muslims, and Mexicans (or anyone who looks Mexican). Cops will do drive-bys on black elementary schools. Obamacare will be replaced by mandatory AIDS injections. Jon Stewart will be publicly executed. The US will nuke Canada for putting milk in bags.
All because I voted for Jill Stein. freak.
http://i.imgur.com/EdxY3p9.gifv
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You forgot the holocaust of gays, Muslims, and Mexicans (or anyone who looks Mexican). Cops will do drive-bys on black elementary schools. Obamacare will be replaced by mandatory AIDS injections. Jon Stewart will be publicly executed. The US will nuke Canada for putting milk in bags.
All because I voted for Jill Stein. freak.
I know you're screwing around, but if Trump wins it will be a total Dem fail down the ticket. He will have both houses. If they approve his wall, he will rubber stamp whatever Mitch and Paul send across his desk. Think about that.
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Obamacare will be replaced by mandatory AIDS injections.
Yaaasssss!!!
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http://i.imgur.com/EdxY3p9.gifv
Hahahahaha
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I know you're screwing around, but if Trump wins it will be a total Dem fail down the ticket. He will have both houses. If they approve his wall, he will rubber stamp whatever Mitch and Paul send across his desk. Think about that.
If that happens it won't be because people voted third party, it would be because liberals stayed home.
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If that happens it won't be because people voted third party, it would be because liberals stayed home.
I think there were some crossed wires here... If I didn't live in a swing state I would vote 3rd party myself. Most of you guys don't, so have at it.
An important point to remember as a side note... Most states are swing states when it comes to congress. Having a Dem majority at the adult table is essential to balance the tea party house.
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Trump could reverse all executive orders. He will get at least 2 SCOTUS nominees. He could probably torpedo the Iran deal. He would certainly freak geopolitical relations. He'd have control of the military.
Many of the executive orders were a reach of the presidents power to begin with. From what I understand the Iran deal wasn't very good, and only congress has the power to declare war.
I do agree that he would completely freak geopolitical relations though. Far as I'm concerned Trump saying stupid derriere excrement would be the majority of the problems he could truly cause. Although he's obnoxious enough that they could cause major problems
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I think there were some crossed wires here... If I didn't live in a swing state I would vote 3rd party myself. Most of you guys don't, so have at it.
An important point to remember as a side note... Most states are swing states when it comes to congress. Having a Dem majority at the adult table is essential to balance the tea party house.
If any Dems vote 3rd party, it'll be for the presidential election. Not many districts have strong 3rd party candidates.
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http://i.imgur.com/EdxY3p9.gifv
I hate you.
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I think there were some crossed wires here... If I didn't live in a swing state I would vote 3rd party myself. Most of you guys don't, so have at it.
An important point to remember as a side note... Most states are swing states when it comes to congress. Having a Dem majority at the adult table is essential to balance the tea party house.
Well the fact people are voting third party is partially the Dems fault. You want people to vote for your party, here's an idea, nominate someone that isn't as objectionable.
I am voting Johnson and I do not consider that a throw away. If I voted for the bald charlatan or the annoying dyke, that's a throw away because neither is fit to be President.
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Many of the executive orders were a reach of the presidents power to begin with. From what I understand the Iran deal wasn't very good, and only congress has the power to declare war.
Obama has the least executive orders of any 2 term president in history. Be sure to add which were a reach, because all of them were legitimate. The guy taught constitutional law FFS.
And please bless us with your educated misgivings regarding the Iran deal, and what you believe a better option would have been.
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And Puck, you may hate Clinton, but she is certainly qualified.
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And Puck, you may hate Clinton, but she is certainly qualified.
When Nixon cheated to win an election, he was forced to resign.
When Clinton cheated to win a primary, she promoted the woman who did her dirty work.
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And Puck, you may hate Clinton, but she is certainly qualified.
No she really isn't, she has made mistakes that should kill any chance of a nomination, but no she lingers like a case of Herpes. The only reason she is in any type of race is because she's running against possibly the single worst Presidential candidate in this country's history. That is saying something.
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I don't know anything either way on the executive orders but teaching Constitutional law definitely doesn't mean he couldn't have abused his power while in office.
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No she really isn't, she has made mistakes that should kill any chance of a nomination, but no she lingers like a case of Herpes. The only reason she is in any type of race is because she's running against possibly the single worst Presidential candidate in this country's history. That is saying something.
The only reason she's in the race is because her name is Clinton
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No she really isn't, she has made mistakes that should kill any chance of a nomination, but no she lingers like a case of Herpes. The only reason she is in any type of race is because she's running against possibly the single worst Presidential candidate in this country's history. That is saying something.
That and the collaboration amongst the DNC and her donors to maker her the top candidate. And all the delegates who were pledging votes for her before she announced her intent to run for president. Must be nice.
At least Trump earned it.
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When Nixon cheated to win an election, he was forced to resign.
When Clinton cheated to win a primary, she promoted the woman who did her dirty work.
Donna Brazile is her homegirl
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Not election necessarily, but a good read:
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy
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Not election necessarily, but a good read:
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy
I stopped reading at "fueled by white nationalism". As if people who vote democrat are all bleeding heart liberals. I know at least 3 in my circle who vote democrat because they're pro Union and certain handouts, but think gays shouldn't get married and constantly poke fun at black people. It's not white or black.
The problem with the Republican Party is that their main messages should be more about personal freedoms, state rights, less government spending. Pandering to the Christian Right has hurt them the most.
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I stopped reading at "fueled by white nationalism".
Well then maybe you should go back and read the rest of it, because it explains exactly why he thinks that way and it's directly related to the free market principles you claim to so deeply believe in.
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Man, I was going to say Tommy won't read that whole thing but will explain why it's bullshit earlier.
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Not election necessarily, but a good read:
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy
I think hes got a point.
But also leaves out how the right is "guided" by religious views which are out of touch with the American people. To an extent there is some overlapping with the opposition of civil rights and being the "white nationalism" party, but I do think there is a significant amount of separate ground there as well.
Trump winning wasnt just because "people are racist blah blah blah" Trump winning was because the Republicans had some shitty derriere candidates that weren't personable, charming, were Washington lifers, and whose platform was built around some shitty religious views. If they threw someone like Gary Johnson into the mix as a "Republican" I think he would have given Trump a run for his money. Although the Republican establishment would have gone after him too like they did Trump
Eitherway the party absolutely needs to evolve on social issues, and at least win over some minorities. Get the damn Asians and Indians at least !
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Ill also point out that that article was written by a guy who was an editor for Thinkprogress which is a website dedicated to attacking conservativism.
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I stopped reading at "fueled by white nationalism". As if people who vote democrat are all bleeding heart liberals. I know at least 3 in my circle who vote democrat because they're pro Union and certain handouts, but think gays shouldn't get married and constantly poke fun at black people. It's not white or black.
The problem with the Republican Party is that their main messages should be more about personal freedoms, state rights, less government spending. Pandering to the Christian Right has hurt them the most.
Wow, that's not at all what he said.
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The funny thing is that Rick Perry "nailed it" according to Tommy when he said the same thing about the race issue the Republicans said. He couched it in less inflammatory language, but still hilarious.
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Wow, that's not at all what he said.
Probably not. I didn't bother reading the article. Just gave a typical knee-jerk reactionary post.
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I'm not sure how anyone can dispute that Trump's campaign has shown just how large a swath of the Republican Party is now fueled by "white nationalism". How many people have used the wall and the Muslim ban as their primary reasons for excitement? There are smart conservatives who don't care about that, but that's no longer the party base.
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You now have Rick Perry and Avik Roy saying that the Republican Party has lost its moral compass over race issues, and W and others saying the current party will never have another president. That's a problem for the GOP.
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You now have Rick Perry and Avik Roy saying that the Republican Party has lost its moral compass over race issues, and W and others saying the current party will never have another president. That's a problem for the GOP.
That's a good thing. We need to unravel this idea that you should only have two options. If anything this election season proved that there are at least 4 different parties that should have reps in this country.
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That's a good thing. We need to unravel this idea that you should only have two options. If anything this election season proved that there are at least 4 different parties that should have reps in this country.
4?
Let's start with 3
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You now have Rick Perry and Avik Roy saying that the Republican Party has lost its moral compass over race issues, and W and others saying the current party will never have another president. That's a problem for the GOP.
The republican party sucks. But they can totally win this election.
Well it'll be more like the democrats can lose it, but still
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The republican party sucks. But they can totally win this election.
Well it'll be more like the democrats can lose it, but still
Just relaying what was said. The Republican Party changing would be a very very good thing.
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Just relaying what was said. The Republican Party changing would be a very very good thing.
A republican party that gave up most (but not all) social issues and focused on economics taxes and small government is what I'd be all about.
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There are people on this website with a better understanding of geopolitics than this freaking idiot.
https://youtu.be/sw0ewq8LbrM
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http://nypost.com/2016/07/30/melania-trump-like-youve-never-seen-her-before/
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http://nypost.com/2016/07/30/melania-trump-like-youve-never-seen-her-before/
Fake funbags confirmed. This should be a bigger deal than the college degree thing.
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Fake funbags confirmed. This should be a bigger deal than the college degree thing.
A former model posed nude 20 years ago. What a scandal!
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A former model posed nude 20 years ago. What a scandal!
That joke was a slow ball. Off the wagon already?
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That joke was a slow ball. Off the wagon already?
Nah Tommy wasn't on the wagon yet, he needs a few weeks to get mentally prepared to stop drinking, it's a process man.
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I am not caring she showed her hoo-ha, good for her, this country is so prudish it isn't even funny.
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For the record I only posted it because funbags. It should have no bearing on the election. But then again, I did post it in the election thread...
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Wasnt there a thing with naked pictures of the first lady of France or Italy or something in recent years?
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With Trump as President we are going to win so much that you'll get tired of winning
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They're not even remotely the same thing, and you're not so dumb as to not realise that.
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Boobies? I like them.
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Tommy doesn't give a excrement about much but he will not stand for a models name to be dragged through the mud. His entire existence would become pointless if attractive girls stopped taking money in exchange for access to their bodies.
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They're not even remotely the same thing, and you're not so dumb as to not realise that.
If there's a difference it's not a big one.
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If there's a difference it's not a big one.
Of course there is. One was on the stage as a direct attack on a single incident from the opposing candidate's past (for which she has already been exonerated by a Republican-led committee). The other was on the stage as a direct riposte to the opposing candidate's stated intent towards an entire swathe of the population.
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/01/us/elections/nine-percent-of-america-selected-trump-and-clinton.html?_r=0
And this sums up why our political system is so freaking stupid and shitty.
Also they need to come up with a way for people to vote for elections via their smartphones.
Have it use fingerprint authentication or something
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Of course there is. One was on the stage as a direct attack on a single incident from the opposing candidate's past (for which she has already been exonerated by a Republican-led committee). The other was on the stage as a direct riposte to the opposing candidate's stated intent towards an entire swathe of the population.
They could have used any Muslim American for that. They chose the parents of a dead soldier for maximum exploitation.
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/01/us/elections/nine-percent-of-america-selected-trump-and-clinton.html?_r=0
And this sums up why our political system is so freaking stupid and shitty.
Also they need to come up with a way for people to vote for elections via their smartphones.
Have it use fingerprint authentication or something
X-post to Horrific and Depressing
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They could have used any Muslim American for that. They chose the parents of a dead soldier for maximum exploitation.
Ding ding ding.
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Wasnt there a thing with naked pictures of the first lady of France or Italy or something in recent years?
Carla Bruni, wife of Sarkozy:
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-11-23-carlabruni.jpg
http://www.wc-news.com/wp-content/wc-news-photos/Carla-Bruni/Carla-Bruni-black-white-erotic-photos-06.jpg
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They could have used any Muslim American for that. They chose the parents of a dead soldier for maximum exploitation.
How is it exploitation? They were making clear the point that Muslims are Americans who love the country and contribute to it in exactly the same ways as non-Muslim Americans, and the idea of banning them all is not only utter freaking idiocy, it's monstrously offensive to those who have given their lives for the country. Having Mohammed who runs the local 7-Eleven come up on stage doesn't come close to having the same impact.
The difference is that no one has accused the parents of people killed in Benghazi of being traitors and terrorists who all want to see nothing more than the downfall of America. Khizr Khan wasn't being exploited.
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How is it exploitation? They were making clear the point that Muslims are Americans who love the country and contribute to it in exactly the same ways as non-Muslim Americans, and the idea of banning them all is not only utter freaking idiocy, it's monstrously offensive to those who have given their lives for the country. Having Mohammed who runs the local 7-Eleven come up on stage doesn't come close to having the same impact.
The difference is that no one has accused the parents of people killed in Benghazi of being traitors and terrorists who all want to see nothing more than the downfall of America. Khizr Khan wasn't being exploited.
And the Republicans were making the point that Hillary has a whole lot of blood on her hands. I see very little difference between the choices to use each speaker and huge differences between the reaction.
Get Hillary's dick out of your mouth.
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Hahaha
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Get Hillary's dick out of your mouth.
It's the pants man.
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How is it exploitation? They were making clear the point that Muslims are Americans who love the country and contribute to it in exactly the same ways as non-Muslim Americans, and the idea of banning them all is not only utter freaking idiocy, it's monstrously offensive to those who have given their lives for the country.
I guess that requires them to parade the parents of a dead soldier on stage to attack their opponent.
Having Mohammed who runs the local 7-Eleven come up on stage doesn't come close to having the same impact.
False dilemma
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How is it exploitation? They were making clear the point that Muslims are Americans who love the country and contribute to it in exactly the same ways as non-Muslim Americans, and the idea of banning them all is not only utter freaking idiocy, it's monstrously offensive to those who have given their lives for the country. Having Mohammed who runs the local 7-Eleven come up on stage doesn't come close to having the same impact.
The difference is that no one has accused the parents of people killed in Benghazi of being traitors and terrorists who all want to see nothing more than the downfall of America. Khizr Khan wasn't being exploited.
Dude the theme of the entire DNC was exploitation.
They paraded the mothers of people who got killed by cops (even if several of those "kids" were shithead thugs who caused themselves to be in such a situation), paraded around illegal immigrants, paraded around this Muslim dude.
Hillary is far FAR more composed, politically correct, and presidential than Trump no question asked. But she is as much of a sleezeball if not moreso than him
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God sent Trump to destroy the Republican Party. Donald Trump is the second coming.
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God sent Trump to destroy the Republican Party. Donald Trump is the second coming.
Arguably Dubya destroyed the GOP, Trump could just be an end stage symptom.
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Arguably Dubya destroyed the GOP, Trump could just be an end stage symptom.
He wasn't good, but the GOPs archaic and outdated social views killed it. Young people are more socially liberal and accepting, and the GOPs stance has remained with several thousand year old book.
As people get older you lose socially conservative folks as the young moved in. Even a lot of older adults were "turned" honestly
Bush really wasn't much worse than Obama honestly (the economy is actually pretty shitty right now according to almost all reports, despite the white house declaring it a success)
But I think the GOP killed itself not Bush
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Bush really wasn't much worse than Obama honestly (the economy is actually pretty shitty right now according to almost all reports, despite the white house declaring it a success)
Please stop smoking crack before you post.
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Please stop smoking crack before you post.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-real-unemployment-rate-is-still-close-to-10-2016-07-08
High real unemployment
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/28/millennials-cause-homeownership-rate-to-drop-to-lowest-level-since-1965.html
Lowest home ownership of all time
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/the-economy-has-slowed-down/?_r=0&pagewanted=all
Slow economic growth
And I was too tired to find an article about how ridiculous debt is in the US
But I guess youre on a different planet where the economy is going well
Seriously are any of your opinions based on facts or data? I feel like everytime you criticize someone your opinion amounts to "Oh please really".
At least JE,Tommy, and myself attempt to backup our claims. (like how i lumped JE in with me and Tommy eh eh)
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He wasn't good, but the GOPs archaic and outdated social views killed it. Young people are more socially liberal and accepting, and the GOPs stance has remained with several thousand year old book.
As people get older you lose socially conservative folks as the young moved in. Even a lot of older adults were "turned" honestly
Bush really wasn't much worse than Obama honestly (the economy is actually pretty shitty right now according to almost all reports, despite the white house declaring it a success)
But I think the GOP killed itself not Bush
By what indicators is the economy shitty?
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Also left out probably the most important one, GDP
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/29/gdp-us-economic-growth-is-close-to-zero.html
They even say were not in a recession, but imply were not far from one either.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-only-reason-the-u-s-economy-isnt-crashing/
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He wasn't good, but the GOPs archaic and outdated social views killed it. Young people are more socially liberal and accepting, and the GOPs stance has remained with several thousand year old book.
As people get older you lose socially conservative folks as the young moved in. Even a lot of older adults were "turned" honestly
Bush really wasn't much worse than Obama honestly (the economy is actually pretty shitty right now according to almost all reports, despite the white house declaring it a success)
But I think the GOP killed itself not Bush
The ways the GOP is killing itself seem intrinsically connected to the Bush years, particularly:
-pandering to evangelicals
-general anti-intellectualism
You don't get Sarah Palin without GWB.
You could be on to something with the GOP doing it to itself but Bush was the face of it.
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The ways the GOP is killing itself seem intrinsically connected to the Bush years, particularly:
-pandering to evangelicals
-general anti-intellectualism
You don't get Sarah Palin without GWB.
You could be on to something with the GOP doing it to itself but Bush was the face of it.
Sarah Palin was a result of pandering to conservatives by having a shitty moderate like McCain as the face of the ticket.
The same way they got Pence or whatever the freak this year
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Sarah Palin was a result of pandering to conservatives by having a shitty moderate like McCain as the face of the ticket.
The same way they got Pence or whatever the freak this year
One of the worst comparisons you've ever made.
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One of the worst comparisons you've ever made.
Not really, considering that Trump is socially quite moderate.
Hes pro gay marriage, for the tranny bathroom thing, previously supported abortions and excrement.
He just happens to not be respected like McCain and is mentally ill.
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Also left out probably the most important one, GDP
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/29/gdp-us-economic-growth-is-close-to-zero.html
They even say were not in a recession, but imply were not far from one either.
Economy may be stagnating a bit, but we're at full employment, which is a good thing.
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Economy may be stagnating a bit, but we're at full employment, which is a good thing.
Did you skip the article about the real unemployment ?
The number of people out of the workforce is astronomical so that numbers grossly under reported
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Did you skip the article about the real unemployment ?
The number of people out of the workforce is astronomical so that numbers grossly under reported
No, I didn't. I'm not saying it can't be better, but it's not as bad as some republicans are making it out to be.
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No, I didn't. I'm not saying it can't be better, but it's not as bad as some republicans are making it out to be.
Well to be fair Obama has been stroking his ego how he saved the economy. He hasnt, its not good. The next president will inherit something very fragile
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Well to be fair Obama has been stroking his ego how he saved the economy. He hasnt, its not good. The next president will inherit something very fragile
Obama didn't save the economy. The economic recovery just happened under his watch. Sort of like how Bush gets credit for the mid-late 90s boom. The bubble burst while Bush was in the White House then made a recovery, then bubbled again. Rinse, repeat. The presidents get too much scorn/praise for economic performance when it's really out of their control for the most part. Though if the economy is tanking before an election, it can ruin the incumbent party. That's party what did Carter and Bush Sr in.
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One of the worst comparisons you've ever made.
McCain lost because he pandered to the conservative base, well before he picked that stupid queynte for VP. He would have won had he just been himself. It was a terribly run campaign, maybe the worst I have ever seen.
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Obama didn't save the economy. The economic recovery just happened under his watch. Sort of like how Bush gets credit for the mid-late 90s boom. The bubble burst while Bush was in the White House then made a recovery, then bubbled again. Rinse, repeat. The presidents get too much scorn/praise for economic performance when it's really out of their control for the most part. Though if the economy is tanking before an election, it can ruin the incumbent party. That's party what did Carter and Bush Sr in.
Bust wasn't in the White House during the mid-late 90's boom. If you mean Clinton his policy's were part and parcel to the crash and great recession that started in 2007.
The Presidents on average get too much scorn and praise but fact remains Bush/Obama could possibly the worst duo we have seen in the last 75-100 years, they're both horrifyingly bad weak picked Presidents, Bush was worse but Obama isn't far off.
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There's an excellent Freakonomics podcast that looks at the amount of influence that the President has on the economy (spoiler: it's virtually zero).
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There's an excellent Freakonomics podcast that looks at the amount of influence that the President has on the economy (spoiler: it's virtually zero).
The amount of influence the President has in anything is so exaggerated, pretty annoying. People act like they're sitting in front of a switchboard pressing buttons and pulling levers to control what's going on in the country
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When Obama had a functioning congress he took the steps necessary to stop the bleeding and spark the recovery. Once he lost congress the rest of his plan was stopped. Republicans have blocked every attempt at infrastructure and energy spending, which would have created a ton of good paying jobs.
Our economy is fine, but if you want to argue it is stagnated I will agree. It's also pretty clear why.
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Lol at our economy stagnating because of Congress not passing that jerkoff's economic policy? You don't honestly believe that's the reason the economy isn't good? Please tell me your just freaking around with that.
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Lol at our economy stagnating because of Congress not passing that jerkoff's economic policy? You don't honestly believe that's the reason the economy isn't good? Please tell me your just freaking around with that.
He's one of those (many) liberals who actually believe the world can't function without big government
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Lol at our economy stagnating because of Congress not passing that jerkoff's economic policy? You don't honestly believe that's the reason the economy isn't good? Please tell me your just freaking around with that.
But renewable energy jobs and infrastructure! Do people not realize how much private money already goes into energy and infrastructure in this country?
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But renewable energy jobs and infrastructure! Do people not realize how much private money already goes into energy and infrastructure in this country?
(http://i.imgur.com/QV6RJJj.jpg)
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?ebc=ANyPxKq2aya8jc87LBh1pof7vMTVYU3y1g4h_qLrn_foN7vzOXouOBG4tU9AJnMh2U0fTJNeCMRzPDd-EIoJUqUQSHkr8Sd1-g&v=JiDKYVYY3GM&time_continue=7
You can't make this stuff up
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?ebc=ANyPxKq2aya8jc87LBh1pof7vMTVYU3y1g4h_qLrn_foN7vzOXouOBG4tU9AJnMh2U0fTJNeCMRzPDd-EIoJUqUQSHkr8Sd1-g&v=JiDKYVYY3GM&time_continue=7
You can't make this stuff up
Felt like watching a bad Seinfeld stand up.
It's scary to think he's actually more personable and charming than Hillary
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROnVNY5K-J8
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I'm not going to research all these claims but maybe Tommy will because it makes Trump look like a stupid kid who couldn't pay back his loans and had to get bailed out every time.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html
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I read a lit if it and lol. It's mostly stuff I knew but it's still really bad, he's a piece of excrement but we knew that already.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROnVNY5K-J8
That's fantastic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROnVNY5K-J8
lol
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Hahaha
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I'm not going to research all these claims but maybe Tommy will because it makes Trump look like a stupid kid who couldn't pay back his loans and had to get bailed out every time.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html
Trump owns more than 200 businesses if I recall correctly. Obviously the article highlights some of his most high profile business failures, the worst investment decision of his was his first casino in the late 80s and the plaza hotel. I give him some leeway on the casino since back then, and even today, casinos are highly leveraged businesses. Plus the recession of the early 90s hit AC hard and many casinos weren't able to make their payments so restructuring was necessary. To call the man a failure is completely disingenuous and flat out wrong.
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Im sure every billionaire fails a ton.
Look at Bill Gates he even created windows Vista and windows 8.
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Im sure every billionaire fails a ton.
Look at Bill Gates he even created windows Vista and windows 8.
Actually he didn't, Gates had stepped down from the day to day operations by the time those builds were launched.
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Im sure every billionaire fails a ton.
Look at Bill Gates he even created windows Vista and windows 8.
Buffet
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Buffet
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/e2wzltcdkkpmg98q8ja2.jpg)
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What are the odds that Gary Johnson gets in on the presidential debates ? Or that either Trump/Hillary has to back out of the election early due to some kind of scandal or something close to one
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What are the odds that Gary Johnson gets in on the presidential debates ? Or that either Trump/Hillary has to back out of the election early due to some kind of scandal or something close to one
Sheldon Richardson
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Sheldon Richardson
I was gonna say eleventeen, but this is better.
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(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/e2wzltcdkkpmg98q8ja2.jpg)
(http://a4.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fill,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,g_face,h_300,q_80,w_300/MTE5NTU2MzE2MTY4Njg1MDY3.jpg)
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(http://a4.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fill,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,g_face,h_300,q_80,w_300/MTE5NTU2MzE2MTY4Njg1MDY3.jpg)
Buffett
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Buffett
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/e2wzltcdkkpmg98q8ja2.jpg)
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(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/e2wzltcdkkpmg98q8ja2.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160803/84a10b9b10a1336c0044ed48178e8fe7.jpg)
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Trumps out of his mind.
His chances of winning the election are already stacked against him. And now he's got like a "secret" war going against Paul Ryan.
Apparently there's a bunch of ex Trump staffers backing Ryans competition (despite him strongly stacked to won).
While I agree the Republican party nerds to be revamped, there's literally no way Trump can win a war on multiple fronts
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Apparently the Muslim guy Hillary paraded at the DNC to attack Trump about his sacrifices works for a lawfirm hired by... Hillary Clinton.
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I just saw Trump's comments about how he always wanted a Purple Heart. I'm about ready to give up on assuming that he's reached the bottom of the barrel with each new thing he says, because he has an amazing knack of finding new depths.
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I'm sure this has been discussed, but not here.
Where would Trump rank among worst losing candidates ?
I feel Dukakis is the butt of many jokes but there's gotta be some truly awful ones. I just can't think of any off the top off my head.
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I just saw Trump's comments about how he always wanted a Purple Heart. I'm about ready to give up on assuming that he's reached the bottom of the barrel with each new thing he says, because he has an amazing knack of finding new depths.
What he said was clumsy, but people reacting to this (i.e. you) can't help themselves.
I don't think anyone wanting to envision themselves in an imaginary heroic circumstance or role is a piece of excrement. He tried to downplay receiving it, and that he didn't really deserve it (i.e. "the easy way"), and people get mad about that.
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I'm sure this has been discussed, but not here.
Where would Trump rank among worst losing candidates ?
I feel Dukakis is the butt of many jokes but there's gotta be some truly awful ones. I just can't think of any off the top off my head.
I can't think of a worse one in my lifetime, he ruins his chances every time be opens his stupid whore mouth.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa7sWaYuQSc
The freak is this excrement
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What he said was clumsy, but people reacting to this (i.e. you) can't help themselves.
I don't think anyone wanting to envision themselves in an imaginary heroic circumstance or role is a piece of excrement. He tried to downplay receiving it, and that he didn't really deserve it (i.e. "the easy way"), and people get mad about that.
I think the point is that someone who claims to be a dealbroker and a negotiator is apparently incapable of opening his mouth without saying something stupid, offensive or ignorant, and the idea of him being asked to interact with foreign leaders is horrifying.
Also, the people getting mad about him saying it include people who have actually been awarded Purple Hearts, and I don't think you really get to tell them that they're overreacting.
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I think the point is that someone who claims to be a dealbroker and a negotiator is apparently incapable of opening his mouth without saying something stupid, offensive or ignorant, and the idea of him being asked to interact with foreign leaders is horrifying.
Also, the people getting mad about him saying it include people who have actually been awarded Purple Hearts, and I don't think you really get to tell them that they're overreacting.
I read one quote about a single recipient being upset over his comments. Finding an old sensitive veteran isn't going to be hard.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa7sWaYuQSc
The freak is this excrement
You can't hear her say "....aren't going to raise taxes on the middle class"?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa7sWaYuQSc
The freak is this excrement
The queynte actually did say "aren't"
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I'm not sure Gary Johnson is my kind of politican, but he and his camp have a wicked sense of humour.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/libertarian-gary-johnson-perfectly-trolls-trump-by-offering-melania-a-pathway-to-citizenship/
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I'm not sure Gary Johnson is my kind of politican, but he and his camp have a wicked sense of humour.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/libertarian-gary-johnson-perfectly-trolls-trump-by-offering-melania-a-pathway-to-citizenship/
haha.
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That's awesome.
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https://youtu.be/ZbM6WbUw7Bs
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http://donaldmaroney.tumblr.com/
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First time I think ive heard Hillary Clinton be genuinely honest and ive believed her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=31&v=7ua13_gYQn0
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oh dcm
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Gonna have nightmares over this
NSFW
https://i.sli.mg/hNpg15.gif
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Gonna have nightmares over this
NSFW
https://i.sli.mg/hNpg15.gif
Bahaha.
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Just audibly laughed in office that was great
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Sounds like Gary Johnson is extremely unlikely to get on the debates. He would need to have an average of 15% or higher in 5 different polls selected by the election committee, all by August 15th.
And considering most polls have him around 8% I'd consider it highly improbable.
Maybe a reddit or 4chan campaign on tbe other hand could help America out. Too bad most of the polls would be randomly selected telephone bullshit
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/05/how-paul-krugman-made-donald-trump-possible.html
Some key passages:
His convention was called “one of the worst ever.” Chris Matthews deemed him “dangerous” and “scary,” Ellen DeGeneres said “If you’re a woman, you should be very, very scared.” His opponent ran an ad against him portraying him as uniquely dangerous for women. “I’ve never felt this way before, but it’s a scary time to be a woman,” said a woman in the ad.
He was frequently called a “bully,” “anti-immigrant,” “racist,” “stupid,” and “unfit” to be president.
I’m referring, obviously, to the terrifying Mitt Romney.
A New Republic article proclaimed “Yes, Romney’s Vision for America Really Is That Scary” and the Huffington Post headline read “The Severe Danger of a Romney Presidency.” Rolling Stone explained “Why ‘President Romney’ Would Be a Disaster for Women” and Nick Kristof in The New York Times pontificated on “How Romney Would Treat Women” (spoiler alert: not well).
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If every Republican is always unfit for the presidency then Trump is no different and it shouldn’t be surprising that rank-and-file Republican voters are lining up behind him. They know there aren’t actually any Republicans of which the media approves. There’s a joke among Republicans that the only GOP candidate the media likes is one who has no chance of winning. John McCain was a media darling when he lost in the 2000 primary to George W. Bush but not when he was actually running against a Democrat in 2008.
The media bear a lot of responsibility for the creation of Trump, and treating all Republican presidential candidates as if they’re a danger to American society is just one way they’ve done it. It’s unlikely that the media are going to en-masse recognize their bias, but perhaps if the Trump campaign has taught the media anything, it’s to ratchet down the rhetoric so that words mean something again.
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Maybe the next Republican candidate will be a "future puppy murderer" or "child rapist in waiting". There's always one step beyond.
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Maybe the next Republican candidate will be a "future puppy murderer" or "child rapist in waiting". There's always one step beyond.
So basically Ted Cruz
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So basically Ted Cruz
Yes. Ted Cruz is so creepy looking. He could be God in disguise and I couldn't look at him.
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/06/business/economy/jobs-report-unemployment-wages.html?referer=https://www.google.com/
Apparently the latest jobs report was better than expected.
It's still got rose colored glasses on but it seems to be better than previously indicated
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/06/business/economy/jobs-report-unemployment-wages.html?referer=https://www.google.com/
Apparently the latest jobs report was better than expected.
It's still got rose colored glasses on but it seems to be better than previously indicated
It's what I've been trying to tell you. Aside from the energy industry, things are going pretty well.
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https://youtu.be/Qw3IpMhz5rg?list=PLtD-NySxyH-VFn3jaJMMt100tSPQNc4On
https://youtu.be/iZdvlSp7pdM?list=PLtD-NySxyH-VFn3jaJMMt100tSPQNc4On
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Tell me that this is somehow out of context, and isn't what it sounds like. Please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcxkkrNSv-4
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Meh
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Tell me that this is somehow out of context, and isn't what it sounds like. Please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcxkkrNSv-4
People who think this is an actual invitation to attack Hillary Clinton clearly never heard Trump speak, ever. People really have to stop sensationalizing every word coming out of Trump's mouth.
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People who think this is an actual invitation to attack Hillary Clinton clearly never heard Trump speak, ever. People really have to stop sensationalizing every word coming out of Trump's mouth.
Your neverending willingness to make excuses for the most inept, unsuited, unpleasant and downright dangerous man to run for the office in living memory is both funny and slightly scary.
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People who think this is an actual invitation to attack Hillary Clinton clearly never heard Trump speak, ever. People really have to stop sensationalizing every word coming out of Trump's mouth.
So your defense is essentially that he says heinous things all the time so he shouldn't be held accountable for saying heinous things. Awesome logic.
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So your defense is essentially that he says heinous things all the time so he shouldn't be held accountable for saying heinous things. Awesome logic.
It's only heinous if you twist his words enough to sound heinous. Trump's words get way more scrutiny than Hillary's actions.
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My president. *Sheds tear
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It's only heinous if you twist his words enough to sound heinous. Trump's words get way more scrutiny than Hillary's actions.
Really? The email scandal, which happened over a year ago, has been beaten to the point that virtually no one outside of the diehard Republican electorate gives a damn anymore. Meanwhile, Trump continues to spew out ignorant, divisive filth on an almost daily basis.
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People who think this is an actual invitation to attack Hillary Clinton clearly never heard Trump speak, ever. People really have to stop sensationalizing every word coming out of Trump's mouth.
Trump knows exactly what he's doing. He knows what he's saying, he gives himself deniability, and he knows how his supporters really feel about it.
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I mean Trump is offering solutions to nobody in America wanting him or Hillary to be president.
At least he's actually trying to solve America's biggest problems.
How many politicians can you say that about?
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I mean Trump is offering solutions to nobody in America wanting him or Hillary to be president.
At least he's actually trying to solve America's biggest problems.
How many politicians can you say that about?
Badger tacitly thanks you for this post.
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I mean Trump is offering solutions to nobody in America wanting him or Hillary to be president.
At least he's actually trying to solve America's biggest problems.
How many politicians can you say that about?
lol
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Tell me that this is somehow out of context, and isn't what it sounds like. Please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcxkkrNSv-4
I think for the next 3 months every decent human being should just stop pointing out how awful Trump is. He has an army of Tommy's who seem to multiply Everytime anyone takes offense to something the man says. Disagreement is their life force. Apathy means they will go back to caring about whatever stupid excrement they cared about before.
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I think for the next 3 months every decent human being should just stop pointing out how awful Trump is. He has an army of Tommy's who seem to multiply Everytime anyone takes offense to something the man says. Disagreement is their life force. Apathy means they will go back to caring about whatever stupid excrement they cared about before.
I know you're right. Clinton appears to have figured it out as well - stay quiet and let Trump do all the talking, because he's doing himself way more damage than she could do to him. I have to just post this speech transcript though, because it's awesome.
(http://i.imgur.com/izOGfZa.jpg)
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I know you're right. Clinton appears to have figured it out as well - stay quiet and let Trump do all the talking, because he's doing himself way more damage than she could do to him.
You're right, and it's sort of similar to her strategy in the primary. Avoid doing anything extra and coast to the finish line. Sanders wasn't self destructive like Trump is, but he couldn't gain supporters fast enough to catch up the initial lead Clinton had with name recognition and the inevitability narrative.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/orlando-gunman-father-clinton/
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(http://i.imgur.com/izOGfZa.jpg)
Is that real? If it is:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY
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Is that real? If it is:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY
http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2015/07/31/donald_trump_this_run_on_sentence_from_a_speech_in_sun_city_south_carolina.html
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Lol what a schmuck.
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If someone said that to me, I'd start the checklist test for a stroke.
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Sanders has sent at least two emails to his army of grass-roots supporters since the convention ended, asking for money to continue his "revolution," a critical element of his primary-season pitch. The emails mentioned the Democratic National Committee, former committee chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.), the Democratic Party, and the Democratic establishment multiple times. They did not mention Clinton, Trump or the Republican Party (which would need to suffer a crushing defeat for Democrats to gain the majority Sanders would need for his progressive priorities to make it through Congress.)
Wasserman Schultz has a Sanders-endorsed primary challenger Aug. 30, who is trying to capitalize on the recent intraparty drama to unseat her. Several polls have shown Tim Canova eight to 10 points behind Wasserman Schultz, with a majority of voters who have never heard of him.
"This race is very important for Our Revolution," read an email Sanders's team sent Tuesday afternoon, "because if we can win this tough fight in Florida, it will send a clear message about the power of our grassroots movement that will send shockwaves through the political and media establishments."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/09/bernie-sanders-really-really-wants-your-help-to-defeat-democrats/
Political revolution still alive
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-show-links-between-state-department-and-clinton-foundation/
Actual corruption > Trump saying mean things.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-show-links-between-state-department-and-clinton-foundation/
Actual corruption > Trump saying mean things.
Agreed.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/09/bernie-sanders-really-really-wants-your-help-to-defeat-democrats/
Political revolution still alive
She'll just go into the private sector, make a ton of money, and influence people from a nicer office.
I'd like to see her lose to a better looking woman. Shouldn't be hard to find.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/emails-show-links-between-state-department-and-clinton-foundation/
Actual corruption > Trump saying mean things.
Nothing in that article implicates any wrongdoing by Hillary.
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I understand people on the left calling Trump a racist, freaking moron, bigot, ignorant, and stuff along that line because it's predominantly true.
What I can't understand is how they can defend (or attempt to) Hillary Clinton. She's not charismatic, she's not particularly smart (as much as I dislike Obama he's quite intelligent), she's absolutely not freaking honest. Like why do people go out on a limb for her? I understand politicians do it for nepotism and maybe fear, but I don't get it with the voters at all
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I understand people on the left calling Trump a racist, freaking moron, bigot, ignorant, and stuff along that line because it's predominantly true.
What I can't understand is how they can defend (or attempt to) Hillary Clinton. She's not charismatic, she's not particularly smart (as much as I dislike Obama he's quite intelligent), she's absolutely not freaking honest. Like why do people go out on a limb for her? I understand politicians do it for nepotism and maybe fear, but I don't get it with the voters at all
For once we agree 100%.
The only reason Trump is even remotely in this race is that Clinton was promised the 2016 nomination when she lost the 2008 one. Every viable candidate from the party establishment declined to run against her.
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Almost every political website is declaring this election over, and others even suggesting thst Trump should concede at this point.
He's going to suffer the greatest defeat in a national election of my life and then go to war with the republican party blaming them for not liking him
I can't imagine any scenario where this isn't the death of the republican party.
America is going to move so far left over the next 4-8 years it's not even going to be funny. I think "free" healthcare and college are going to soon become very realistic possibilities
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America isn't going too far to the left, not yet no way. The money is still largely in the hands of many older more conservative people.
The Republican Party have nobody to thank but themselves for their demise. They pander to the portion of their party that screams fire in a crowded theater and/or portions of the party 75%+ of this country think are a bunch of mean delusional assholes. Guess who the face of the mean delusional assholes is, Trump. What I find so funny is many of those assholes don't like Trump because he's an poopchute, that's irony for you.
Anyhow, if because of this election we get too much of the Democratic Party and not enough of the Republicans and then over the next 4-8 years we get a true viable 3rd party that actually gives a excrement about it's constituents, I am all for this excrement heap of an election.
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Almost every political website is declaring this election over, and others even suggesting thst Trump should concede at this point.
He's going to suffer the greatest defeat in a national election of my life and then go to war with the republican party blaming them for not liking him
I can't imagine any scenario where this isn't the death of the republican party.
America is going to move so far left over the next 4-8 years it's not even going to be funny. I think "free" healthcare and college are going to soon become very realistic possibilities
A lot of things change in 4 years. Every election, some party is dying. Then 4 years later, 2 turds get trotted out. One with a D next to the name, one with an R.
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A lot of things change in 4 years. Every election, some party is dying. Then 4 years later, 2 turds get trotted out. One with a D next to the name, one with an R.
Difference is Trump is significantly pushing Women, Minorities (especially Hispanic) and young people to the left.
Theres no way the Republican party will be able to make that up.
The right would have to make sweeping changes to get back in it. Think about their strongest demographics. Old people and religious. Old people are all dying, and America becomes less and less religious every year.
The lefts gonna take excrement over
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Are you going to write "free" for freaking ever? Anyone with a quarter brain understands the excrement still costs money.
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Are you going to write "free" for freaking ever? Anyone with a quarter brain understands the excrement still costs money.
There's a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters out there
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There's a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters out there
Keep beating that straw man.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/12/politics/donald-trump-pennsylvania-cheating/
Trump is down 11 points in Pennsylvania. Sit the freak down.
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Keep beating that straw man.
It's what he does best.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/12/politics/donald-trump-pennsylvania-cheating/
Trump is down 11 points in Pennsylvania. Sit the freak down.
Who are you talking to? Trump, Pennsylvanians, DCM/Tommy?
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Also, enjoy your aids/Hillary Clinton.
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Also, enjoy your aids/Hillary Clinton.
Even though I can't vote for her in good conscience, I do stand to professionally benefit from a Democrat president.
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Preet Bharara
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Even though I can't vote for her in good conscience, I do stand to professionally benefit from a Democrat president.
So you're in a union
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So you're in a union
That's not the primary reason.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html?_r=1
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New avatar for Tommy?
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http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00618843/1094350/se
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Trump appointed Stephen Bannon as his new campaign CEO. Still support him, Tommy?
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Trump appointed Stephen Bannon as his new campaign CEO. Still support him, Tommy?
Had never heard of him but my 5 minutes of googling says Tommy now supports him even more.
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Trump appointed Stephen Bannon as his new campaign CEO. Still support him, Tommy?
Trump is like Al Davis.
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Trump is like Al Davis.
He's dead?
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He's dead?
I was thinking more along the lines of front office shake ups, but we can pretend that he's dead.
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Trump appointed Stephen Bannon as his new campaign CEO. Still support him, Tommy?
I don't know the guy. All I know is that he runs Breitbart or whatever that political blog is.
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In polling in Texas, Jill Stein is tied with Harambe and is losing to Deez Nuts
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https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160818/union-square/naked-donald-trump-statue-appears-union-square
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https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160818/union-square/naked-donald-trump-statue-appears-union-square
That's fuckn hilarious.
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The greatest part of the story is the NYC Parks Dept.'s statement after removing the statue:
"NYC Parks stands firmly against any unpermitted erection in city parks, no matter how small."
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Several more have apparently appeared at cities across the US. And yes, props to the NYC Parks Dept for that statement.
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Several more have apparently appeared at cities across the US. And yes, props to the NYC Parks Dept for that statement.
Yeah, it's an "organization" dedicated to assuring Trump doesn't win that's doing it. This reminds me of the Idzik billboard. It's silly but I'm not going to tell an idiot what to do with his money.
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These statues are almost the perfect retaliation against Trump. "Alpha dog" gets portrayed as fat old guy with no balls and micropenis. There is no intelligent argument behind it, but neither is anything from Trump. Beautiful.
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Let me be the dickhead to point out if there was a similar statue of Hillary Clinton, this country would spontaneously combust.
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It is really funny though.
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My views on Trump are fairly well known, but I don't find these statues especially funny or effective for pretty much exactly the reason that SFD says. Humour has its role in election campaigns, especially ones as ridiculous as this, but lazy caricature based on physical attributes is unnecessarily low and simply operates at a level Trump and his supporters are comfortable with.
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Let me be the dickhead to point out if there was a similar statue of Hillary Clinton, this country would spontaneously combust.
100% true. I really don't see these as doing anything good. They're fun to laugh at, but they're just circle jerk fodder for those who already hate him and will further entrench those who support him. It's funny, but nothing positive comes of it.
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Deleted because word predictor destroyed any rational thought I may have had at one time.
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Let me be the dickhead to point out if there was a similar statue of Hillary Clinton, this country would spontaneously combust.
It is really funny though.
100% true. I really don't see these as doing anything good. They're fun to laugh at, but they're just circle jerk fodder for those who already hate him and will further entrench those who support him. It's funny, but nothing positive comes of it.
Totally agree.
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It's funny but the whole "lol he's old and probably has a small dick " thing is stupid. He's a billionaire with a hot wife.
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It's funny but the whole "lol he's old and probably has a small dick " thing is stupid. He's a billionaire with a hot wife.
Dollars to donuts they have separate bedrooms.
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Dollars to donuts they have separate bedrooms.
Maybe, maybe not. But if it makes people who hate him feel better then sure.
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Manafort resigned.
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Dollars to donuts he probably does have a teeny tiny rooster.
Yep
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Election is closer than people think. Trump has plenty of time before the debates begin.
Latest poll: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch
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Election is closer than people think. Trump has plenty of time before the debates begin.
Latest poll: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch
Plenty of time to do what, though?
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-doubling-down-on-a-losing-strategy/
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Plenty of time to do what, though?
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-doubling-down-on-a-losing-strategy/
It's all about who can draw people to the polls. Trump has a cult following, and it's massive. Clinton really doesn't. Sure, people may say they're voting for Clinton, but I doubt many will go out of their way to vote that Tuesday. Trump on the other hand has loyal followers, and he proved during the primaries that he can get people to go out and vote for him.
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I'm still planning on voting for Deez Nuts at this point in time.
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It's funny but the whole "lol he's old and probably has a small dick " thing is stupid. He's a billionaire with a hot wife.
That doesn't preclude his age or his tiny penis.
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It's all about who can draw people to the polls. Trump has a cult following, and it's massive. Clinton really doesn't. Sure, people may say they're voting for Clinton, but I doubt many will go out of their way to vote that Tuesday. Trump on the other hand has loyal followers, and he proved during the primaries that he can get people to go out and vote for him.
Again - and it's getting a bit tedious asking this - did you even read the piece that I linked?
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Again - and it's getting a bit tedious asking this - did you even read the piece that I linked?
Of course not.
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What's up with all the Arabic below JE's name?
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freak this shitshow, next 4 years is a wash .
Voting Johnson though
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What's up with all the Arabic below JE's name?
If you don't read Arabic then you'll just have to guess.
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I don't see how anybody can think Trump has a chance.
You can already see he is a defeated man, firing his advisor and starting his apology tour.
Best case scenario for him is he saves face and doesn't get completely annihilated in tbe election.
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I don't see how anybody can think Trump has a chance.
You can already see he is a defeated man, firing his advisor and starting his apology tour.
Best case scenario for him is he saves face and doesn't get completely annihilated in tbe election.
Based on your past predictions Trump will win by a landslide.
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freak this shitshow, next 4 years is a wash .
Voting Johnson though
welcome back
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This is hilarious. The worst election campaign in history, but a mighty impressive exercise in marketing, self promotion and profiteering. Keep sending in those donations and let's Make Trump Rich Again. (Got to pay those notes to the Bank of China somehow, eh?)
https://news.vice.com/article/trumps-kids-are-cashing-in-on-his-campaign
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This is hilarious. The worst election campaign in history, but a mighty impressive exercise in marketing, self promotion and profiteering. Keep sending in those donations and let's Make Trump Rich Again. (Got to pay those notes to the Bank of China somehow, eh?)
https://news.vice.com/article/trumps-kids-are-cashing-in-on-his-campaign
While what he is doing is shitty I don't think the difference between the immoral things he's done with the American people's money is much different from Hillary.
She's done so much fucked up illegal campaign finance stuff that I'd lump her into the same camp as Trump. Though personally I'd say she gets the edge because at least what Trump is doing is legal. Hillarys campaign finance stuff most certainly was not.
Eitherway hopefully you realize they're both terrible people, and don't deserve to be president
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Hey I wish you, Canadians or English or whateverthefuck you consider yourselves, would shut the freak up and let him make Murica great again.
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This is hilarious. The worst election campaign in history, but a mighty impressive exercise in marketing, self promotion and profiteering. Keep sending in those donations and let's Make Trump Rich Again. (Got to pay those notes to the Bank of China somehow, eh?)
https://news.vice.com/article/trumps-kids-are-cashing-in-on-his-campaign
Speaking of hilarious, corrupt, and immoral
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CAMPAIGN_2016_CLINTON_FOUNDATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-08-23-14-35-04
More than half the people outside the government who met with Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state gave money - either personally or through companies or groups - to the Clinton Foundation. It's an extraordinary proportion indicating her possible ethics challenges if elected president.[/quote
At least 85 of 154 people from private interests who met or had phone conversations scheduled with Clinton while she led the State Department donated to her family charity or pledged commitments to its international programs, according to a review of State Department calendars released so far to The Associated Press. Combined, the 85 donors contributed as much as $156 million. At least 40 donated more than $100,000 each, and 20 gave more than $1 million.
But the frequency of the overlaps shows the intermingling of access and donations, and fuels perceptions that giving the foundation money was a price of admission for face time with Clinton. Her calendars and emails released as recently as this week describe scores of contacts she and her top aides had with foundation donors.
The 154 did not include U.S. federal employees or foreign government representatives. Clinton met with representatives of at least 16 foreign governments that donated as much as $170 million to the Clinton charity, but they were not included in AP's calculations because such meetings would presumably have been part of her diplomatic duties.
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So if you want to criticize Trump (which is totally warranted) you would have to be extremely unreasonable to also not say that Hillary is a massive piece of excrement as well.
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I think I've made it pretty clear a number of times that I don't like Hillary one bit, but I consider her to be the lesser of the two evils.
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http://www.inquisitr.com/3463915/did-the-huffington-post-censor-articles-questioning-hillaryshealth/
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http://www.inquisitr.com/3463915/did-the-huffington-post-censor-articles-questioning-hillaryshealth/
The Huffington Post isn't even a news site, it's a political blog. Anyone who follows that site has pretty much made their mind about the election anyway.
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Article claims that all media is biased against Trump; proves the point using Breitbart and Gravis polling data. The circus continues.
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The Huffington Post isn't even a news site, it's a political blog. Anyone who follows that site has pretty much made their mind about the election anyway.
The Huffington Post isn't even a news site, it's a political blog. Anyone who follows that site has pretty much made their mind about the election anyway.
While I agree that the Huffington post is some nonsense opinion filled admittedly far left wing bullshit website (and before anyone whines, the right wing has plenty of the same thing too) it sounds to me like this guy isn't even a real writer. He's basically some bum blogger akin to what you'd find on bleacher report. So them denying him really doesn't mean anything. It's a left wing blog denying a right wing blogger, shocker
I'll also point out that in it is highly probable that this guy's "story" about Hillary's health is some lowlife degenerate made up bullshit that has no place being published. There's a million true things you can write about Hillary about why she shouldn't be president. This fan fiction about her health should be left to Trump and the national enquirer. If something about her health were true it would be headlined on every national news channel.
Yes even with the biases that almost everyone in the media would prefer her to Trump it would still come out.
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"Make Mexico Great Again Also"
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Surprised Trump didn't bring up that giant wall Mexico has south of the border to keep those nasty Guatamalans out.
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Surprised Trump didn't bring up that giant wall Mexico has south of the border to keep those nasty Guatamalans out.
I know. You'd think he would use that since it's like so many of his other claims and doesn't really exist.
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I know. You'd think he would use that since it's like so many of his other claims and doesn't really exist.
Be careful. You're piercing the conservative bubble that protects it from reality.
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Be careful. You're piercing the conservative bubble that protects it from reality.
I'll let you in on a secret
Both parties supporters are freaking morons. Stupid has no political bias
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For a donation of $2,700, the children (under 16) of donors at an event last month at the Sag Harbor, N.Y., estate of the hedge fund magnate Adam Sender could ask Mrs. Clinton a question. A family photo with Mrs. Clinton cost $10,000, according to attendees.
And when Mrs. Clinton attended a dinner at the Beverly Hills home of the entertainment executive Haim Saban last month, the invitation was very clear. If attendees wanted to dine and receive a photo with Mrs. Clinton they had to pay their own way: “Write not raise” $100,000
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Meanwhile, Trump has his own pay-for-play scandal, and no one seems to care.
Both Trump and Hillary are bad candidates, and I don't want to vote for either one. However, it's like asking me if I hate Bill Belichick or Hitler more. Sure, I hate Belichick, but it's not really a comparison.
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Meanwhile, Trump has his own pay-for-play scandal, and no one seems to care.
Both Trump and Hillary are bad candidates, and I don't want to vote for either one. However, it's like asking me if I hate Bill Belichick or Hitler more. Sure, I hate Belichick, but it's not really a comparison.
I agree Hitler was really overblown, not nearly as bad as people make him sound
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I agree Hitler was really overblown, not nearly as bad as people make him sound
He had the right idea with Gypsies, at least.
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What is Aleppo?
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What is Aleppo?
A brand of dog food.
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What is Aleppo?
Someone needs to turn this into a Jeopardy meme.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ny-times-flubs-story-on-johnsons-aleppo-flub/article/2601289
Haha.
If Gary Johnson spent his entire campaign freaking up like the other 2, no fucks would have been given.
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I imagine this helps Trump more, right? Johnson has taken a lot of independents and Republicans away from Trump.
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I imagine this helps Trump more, right? Johnson has taken a lot of independents and Republicans away from Trump.
The kind of Republican voters who would have left Trump for Johnson are not going to now vote for Trump because Johnson doesn't have a clue what or where Aleppo is. It's my understanding that a part of the Libertarian position is the extrication of US forces from overseas conflict as much as possible, so if they're sympathetic with that view I don't know that it's going to especially harm him.
I think it is becoming increasingly clear though that democracy as it stands today is a bad idea. We don't let blind people drive, we don't let felons become police officers, I think we need to stop morons being able to vote. If people had to pass some basic tests in order to vote - things like geography, basic economics, grade 11 kind of stuff - we'd end up with much better candidates, because they'd no longer be able to base positions on making dumb people angry. It's tough for the thickos, but it's actually in their best interests. They're just not smart enough to realise it yet.
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The kind of Republican voters who would have left Trump for Johnson are not going to now vote for Trump because Johnson doesn't have a clue what or where Aleppo is. It's my understanding that a part of the Libertarian position is the extrication of US forces from overseas conflict as much as possible, so if they're sympathetic with that view I don't know that it's going to especially harm him.
I think it is becoming increasingly clear though that democracy as it stands today is a bad idea. We don't let blind people drive, we don't let felons become police officers, I think we need to stop morons being able to vote. If people had to pass some basic tests in order to vote - things like geography, basic economics, grade 11 kind of stuff - we'd end up with much better candidates, because they'd no longer be able to base positions on making dumb people angry. It's tough for the thickos, but it's actually in their best interests. They're just not smart enough to realise it yet.
So you're saying black people shouldn't be able to vote?
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So you're saying black people shouldn't be able to vote?
Projection of your prejudices doesn't make them any less yours, Tommy.
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Tbh I have no idea what Aleppo is. Sounds like a gay Disney prince
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I imagine this helps Trump more, right? Johnson has taken a lot of independents and Republicans away from Trump.
>Implying Trump would have known what Aleppo was off the top of his head
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Projection of your prejudices doesn't make them any less yours, Tommy.
But you do realize that's why your suggested criteria would never be implemented, right? Dass rayciss.
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But you do realize that's why your suggested criteria would never be implemented, right? Dass rayciss.
But if you're required to take a test and that test is vetted by a board of individuals who accurately represent the racial makeup of the country where that test is being administered then that objection doesn't really work.
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But if you're required to take a test and that test is vetted by a board of individuals who accurately represent the racial makeup of the country where that test is being administered then that objection doesn't really work.
I'm not making the argument against it, I'm just saying that's what the argument will be. And every pol who benefits from black voters will fight tooth and nail against it.
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I'm not making the argument against it, I'm just saying that's what the argument will be. And every pol who benefits from black voters will fight tooth and nail against it.
It will never happen but it's fun to think about.
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Except that I'd be willing to bet that a much smaller proportion of dumb black people vote than dumb white people, because as is consistently proven through voter registration programs the disenfranchised minorities are far less likely to be registered anyway. As a result, my proposal is likely to remove the vote from far more white people than it is black people, but as AR says, administered correctly the program sees no colour, only intelligence.
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Except that I'd be willing to bet that a much smaller proportion of dumb black people vote than dumb white people, because as is consistently proven through voter registration programs the disenfranchised minorities are far less likely to be registered anyway. As a result, my proposal is likely to remove the vote from far more white people than it is black people, but as AR says, administered correctly the program sees no colour, only intelligence.
So why do poor dumb white people and smart white people vote differently, yet all black people regardless of income tend to vote for the same party? Are you saying it's bad for poor dumb black people to vote yet okay for poor dumb white people to do the same?
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So why do poor dumb white people and smart white people vote differently, yet all black people regardless of income tend to vote for the same party? Are you saying it's bad for poor dumb black people to vote yet okay for poor dumb white people to do the same?
a) I don't know if that's true, you'd have to provide stats
b) I don't know how you managed to draw that conclusion
c) Football's on, not talking about this now
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a) I don't know if that's true, you'd have to provide stats
b) I don't know how you managed to draw that conclusion
c) Football's on, not talking about this now
Football!
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I imagine this helps Trump more, right? Johnson has taken a lot of independents and Republicans away from Trump.
Pretty sure they've said that Johnson has taken more voters from Hillary than he has Trump btw
And I'm also quite sure most Americans don't know or give a freak what Aleppo is either.
If anything this probably helps Gary Johnson because it actually gets him in the news.
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I didn't know what Aleppo was either. Then again, I'm not trying to be Commander-in-Chief of the United States.
As for taking away the vote from the "stupid" I'd assume that's a big reason for the Electoral College in the first place. The general public has no care for the nuances of true politics, and certainly not those of the POTUS. Joe Average is worried about the food on his table. He only worries about what's going on in Syria in terms of how its trickle-down affects his livelihood and safety.
The issue of right to vote is complicated. If the education system were better in the US then more people would be educated on the issues and make more informed decisions during elections. Then again, were the education system better in the US, it would solve a lot of other problems and make government less necessary.
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I mean, it's not like he didn't know what Damascus was.
That's why these people have advisers. Not well prepared enough and informed? Probably, but it's a foreign policy issue and an ancillary one as far as the United States is concerned.
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Bullshit I expect the President to know everything that has ever happened in the world
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I mean, it's not like he didn't know what Damascus was.
That's why these people have advisers. Not well prepared enough and informed? Probably, but it's a foreign policy issue and an ancillary one as far as the United States is concerned.
I'm sorry, but this post proves that you don't know what you're talking about. An ancillary issue? It's literally ground zero for the Syrian refugee crisis.
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I'm just waiting for Johnson to get asked that question again and respond with #noneofourgoddamnbusiness
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Basket of deplorables?! More like basket of adorables!
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The kind of Republican voters who would have left Trump for Johnson are not going to now vote for Trump because Johnson doesn't have a clue what or where Aleppo is. It's my understanding that a part of the Libertarian position is the extrication of US forces from overseas conflict as much as possible, so if they're sympathetic with that view I don't know that it's going to especially harm him.
I think it is becoming increasingly clear though that democracy as it stands today is a bad idea. We don't let blind people drive, we don't let felons become police officers, I think we need to stop morons being able to vote. If people had to pass some basic tests in order to vote - things like geography, basic economics, grade 11 kind of stuff - we'd end up with much better candidates, because they'd no longer be able to base positions on making dumb people angry. It's tough for the thickos, but it's actually in their best interests. They're just not smart enough to realise it yet.
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The kind of Republican voters who would have left Trump for Johnson are not going to now vote for Trump because Johnson doesn't have a clue what or where Aleppo is. It's my understanding that a part of the Libertarian position is the extrication of US forces from overseas conflict as much as possible, so if they're sympathetic with that view I don't know that it's going to especially harm him.
I think it is becoming increasingly clear though that democracy as it stands today is a bad idea. We don't let blind people drive, we don't let felons become police officers, I think we need to stop morons being able to vote. If people had to pass some basic tests in order to vote - things like geography, basic economics, grade 11 kind of stuff - we'd end up with much better candidates, because they'd no longer be able to base positions on making dumb people angry. It's tough for the thickos, but it's actually in their best interests. They're just not smart enough to realise it yet.
I know this is a few days old, and are 100% right. But this is also the kind of thing that would absolutely enrage people on the left. It would disproportionately target lower class voters, people of color, and yes the many idiotic Republican hillbillies as well. I think democracy is a broken system negatively impacted by ignorance (which is extreme on both sides)
I have no idea what an ideal solution would be. Term limits, and something to cripple a two party system would probably be a start. If voting became a digital thing (ie vote with your cell phone + fingerprints for I.D) you could institute much more complicated voting mechanisms, to put more options on the table and ensure the best candidate ultimately wins.
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I'm sorry, but this post proves that you don't know what you're talking about. An ancillary issue? It's literally ground zero for the Syrian refugee crisis.
More like, I prioritize domestic and economic issues, which is most of what Gary Johnson is familiar with.
Obviously someone in office is going to know the minutia of the situation because that person is exposed to all aspects of foreign policy and has a staff of advisers to keep them informed.
You can have a basic understanding of the implications of a refugee crisis without knowing the name of a specific city. Like I said, unprepared ? Sure.
A flaw in logic or reflection of competency? No.
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I don't think this is quite anything yet, although it's gonna see a decent amount of news time
But one more "incident" and it could blow up into something legit
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/11/hillary-clintons-health-just-became-a-real-issue-in-the-presidential-campaign/?postshare=4011473608703641&tid=ss_tw
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https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/775007240893923328
Lol
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https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/775007240893923328
Lol
Holy excrement
That looks like it's straight out of weekend at Bernies
This could seriously complicate the presidential race.
If the Republican candidate was even remotely close to competent this would be a game changer
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The Clinton's are saying it's pneumonia, which well seems very freaking weird...
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“40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest — and then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second-tallest. And now it’s the tallest.”
Stay classy, Donald.
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Stay classy, Donald.
I've seen this but we'd have to look at the whole interview or at right before and right after that particular comment. He could've said something like "but now it's the tallest... which obviously doesn't matter blah blah."
Here's him on German tv right afterwards:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYXygIcIJ6I
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Trump is an idiot, and says stupid thing.
Got it
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Are we honestly talking about something that was said 15 years ago? The
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Are we honestly talking about something that was said 15 years ago? The
Don't leave us hanging......
I actually didn't realise until this morning that it was an old quote. Still, I believe that a Presidential candidate's past statements and actions are fair game, are they not?
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Holy excrement
That looks like it's straight out of weekend at Bernies
This could seriously complicate the presidential race.
If the Republican candidate was even remotely close to competent they'd win 48 states
fyp
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Don't leave us hanging......
I actually didn't realise until this morning that it was an old quote. Still, I believe that a Presidential candidate's past statements and actions are fair game, are they not?
Fair game sure
But Trump says enough idiotic stupid excrement that there's no need to go back 15 years.
Honestly i think it's silly to go back that far on a candidate unless they directly contradict themselves, or stay something so far insanely out there.
What Trump said was careless and irresponsible, but I don't think it was extreme at all
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Don't leave us hanging......
I actually didn't realise until this morning that it was an old quote. Still, I believe that a Presidential candidate's past statements and actions are fair game, are they not?
Sure, but it's a weird interview with a foreign channel that he probably wasn't even paying attention for.
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Sure, but it's a weird interview with a foreign channel that he probably wasn't even paying attention for.
Just as well he doesn't do that any more then, eh?
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Just as well he doesn't do that any more then, eh?
My point is that he says pleeeeenty of excrement now that rightfully gets negative press and gets him into trouble with everyone who isn't some moronic Trump supporter. We don't need stuff from 15 years ago to make that point.
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My point is that he says pleeeeenty of excrement now that rightfully gets negative press and gets him into trouble with everyone who isn't some moronic Trump supporter. We don't need stuff from 15 years ago to make that point.
I know, I just thought your comment was funny in the context of the interview that ended up on Russian state TV the other day that he knew nothing at all about, honest to God.
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My point is that he says pleeeeenty of excrement now that rightfully gets negative press and gets him into trouble with everyone who isn't some moronic Trump supporter. We don't need stuff from 15 years ago to make that point.
In your opinion, can you cast a vote for Trump and not be a moron? Not asking for me, just asking for my friend Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo.
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In your opinion, can you cast a vote for Trump and not be a moron? Not asking for me, just asking for my friend Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo.
I mean if you worked for him at some point and had stock options on his company, I think you'd be very smart to vote for him
I do think a vote for Hillary is better than one for Trump, but not by a whole lot.
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I mean if you worked for him at some point and had stock options on his company, I think you'd be very smart to vote for him
I do think a vote for Hillary is better than one for Trump, but not by a whole lot.
Librul faget
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Libtard faget
FYP
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Librul faget
You forgot cuck.
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How can someone who wants to make America great be a moron?
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lol
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-frog-and-white-supremacists-an-explainer/
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In your opinion, can you cast a vote for Trump and not be a moron? Not asking for me, just asking for my friend Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo.
Sure. Some people hate what he says but hold their nose because they hate Clinton more. He gets in trouble with them, too. Other people are just assholes. I think it's a poor decision to vote for him, but so be it.
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I know that's their gig, but that is just freaking awful
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clinton-wasnt-wrong-about-the-deplorables-among-trumps-supporters/2016/09/12/93720264-7932-11e6-beac-57a4a412e93a_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-c:homepage/story&utm_term=.b9e42f8a16f7
So Trump supporters are mostly racist because half in a random poll didn't believe that "race relations" is a very important issue today.
This sort of thing will only galvanize Trump supporters more. Calling them racists and "deplorables" isn't a very good strategy on Clinton's part.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clinton-wasnt-wrong-about-the-deplorables-among-trumps-supporters/2016/09/12/93720264-7932-11e6-beac-57a4a412e93a_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-c:homepage/story&utm_term=.b9e42f8a16f7
So Trump supporters are mostly racist because half in a random poll didn't believe that "race relations" is a very important issue today.
This sort of thing will only galvanize Trump supporters more. Calling them racists and "deplorables" isn't a very good strategy on Clinton's part.
He hired an alt right icon to his campaign. He and his staff retweet from white supremacists. Every racist and xenophobe will be voting for trump. 'Half' may be a massive understatement.
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All that is chickenfeed compared to this.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-national-security-498081.html
Trump would be incapable of making or being involved with a foreign policy decision without massive conflict of interest. On that basis alone he should be legally excluded from holding the office.
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All that is chickenfeed compared to this.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-national-security-498081.html
Trump would be incapable of making or being involved with a foreign policy decision without massive conflict of interest. On that basis alone he should be legally excluded from holding the office.
Yet that article about foreign diplomats or mega rich donors paying hundreds of millions for face time and influence with Clinton isn't corrupt?
Trump is a racist moron with many chances to be corrupt
Clinton on the other hand is already off the charts in corruption.
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All that is chickenfeed compared to this.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-national-security-498081.html
Trump would be incapable of making or being involved with a foreign policy decision without massive conflict of interest. On that basis alone he should be legally excluded from holding the office.
This is ridiculous. That's like saying Bloomberg was unfit to run for Mayor because nearly everyone on Wall Street used a terminal bearing his name on a daily basis.
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Yet that article about foreign diplomats or mega rich donors paying hundreds of millions for face time and influence with Clinton isn't corrupt?
Trump is a racist moron with many chances to be corrupt
Clinton on the other hand is already off the charts in corruption.
Stop trying to blast Trump just to try and get people to believe that you're somehow level-headed in your political leanings. You honestly don't believe Trump is a racist moron, and I'd bet my left nut that you'd vote for him in the next election.
You're almost going out of your way to go after Trump, and it's so fuckn' transparent. You can stop now.
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I've always thought of trump as a less racist, slightly more intelligent version of dcm
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Hahaha
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Stop trying to blast Trump just to try and get people to believe that you're somehow level-headed in your political leanings. You honestly don't believe Trump is a racist moron, and I'd bet my left nut that you'd vote for him in the next election.
You're almost going out of your way to go after Trump, and it's so fuckn' transparent. You can stop now.
Trump is an idiot.
He can't control his mouth
And on strategy he's flat out freaking stupid. First he infuriates the fastest growing demographic in the country convincing everybody he hates them. Then his strategy to make up ground is to target a group that is so heavily entrenched in the Democratic pocket it's not funny.
When he first started and I thought he was a liberal Republican who didn't have stupid religious views ans would be a moderate I thought he had the potential to transform the Republican party.
Instead he's just gone off an extreme nut job, everything he says sounds like empty bullshit that Obama promised when he ran for office. Instead of hope and change its it's gonna be great or trust me I know the greatest people. He brought on board some pathetic far right religious lunatic as well.
Not to mention Trump is literally so toxic a chunk of the Republican establishment doesn't want to be associated with him for worries it will make all the Republicans lose
Trump is toxic as freak.
I'm not going to pretend to be some douche bag tree hugging hippie liberal because I still hate them as much as ever. But I think the libertarian party is the future, and hopefully they pick up steam as Trump destroys the already flailing and outdated Republican party
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This is ridiculous. That's like saying Bloomberg was unfit to run for Mayor because nearly everyone on Wall Street used a terminal bearing his name on a daily basis.
That's a terrible analogy. Bloomberg created a product that's useful and people actually like.
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On a related note, I've never heard of a president that has ongoing business interests in and is actually indebted to a foreign power.
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Hahaha Tommy can't handle dcm being more intelligent and reasonable than he is. He's losing his mind.
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This thread is picking up steam again.
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Hahaha Tommy can't handle dcm being more intelligent and reasonable than he is. He's losing his mind.
Lolololol
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I wonder what Trump would rate Hillary on a scale of 1-10
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I wonder what Trump would rate Hillary on a scale of 1-10
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So he's like every guy on earth who isn't gay?
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I wonder what Trump would rate Hillary on a scale of 1-10
Puck
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So he's like every guy on earth who isn't gay?
You're wrong and completely out of line.
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Blind men don't do that either.
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You're wrong and completely out of line.
hold on a sec.
Not every dude is aware of the "JFIF 10" rating system
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You're wrong and completely out of line.
So guys aren't superficial? Okay. How else would you rate looks without some sort of scale?
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So guys aren't superficial? Okay. How else would you rate looks without some sort of scale?
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So guys aren't superficial? Okay. How else would you rate looks without some sort of scale?
You may want to read the post right below that one before you continue to look retarded.
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hold on a sec.
Not every dude is aware of the "JFIF 10" rating system
JFIF is running on the Miami scale, which is entirely different to the rest of the world. Or so he tells us.
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Also it's not superficial to immediate rate a woman's looks. It's the first thing you see. That's the problem, this idea that it's some bad thing even if you excuse it as "guys are superficial". Rating a woman's looks isn't superficial. Determining her worth solely based on her looks may be, but that's not what was at stake here.
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Also it's not superficial to immediate rate a woman's looks. It's the first thing you see. That's the problem, this idea that it's some bad thing even if you excuse it as "guys are superficial". Rating a woman's looks isn't superficial. Determining her worth solely based on her looks may be, but that's not what was at stake here.
But what is Clinton getting at here? She specifically said that Trump rates a woman's looks on a scale of 1-10 as if it's a bad thing or out of the ordinary. I don't get it.
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But what is Clinton getting at here? She specifically said that Trump rates a woman's looks on a scale of 1-10 as if it's a bad thing or out of the ordinary. I don't get it.
She's pandering to the base that thought Bernie Sanders was manterrupting too much.
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The Police Union backed Trump. Not sure that helps him especially, although it probably doesn't hurt him much either.
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But what is Clinton getting at here? She specifically said that Trump rates a woman's looks on a scale of 1-10 as if it's a bad thing or out of the ordinary. I don't get it.
She's insinuating that Trump thinks a woman's entire value is funbags and derriere and thus can be rated like a floor routine at the Olympics.
Personally, as soon as I see a woman, I look right past the nipples showing through her wool sweater and immediately request a credit score, followed by a list of her trigger topics.
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Gary Johnson didn't meet the threshold to be in the debates.
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Gary Johnson didn't meet the threshold to be in the debates.
Bad news for Trump.
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Bad news for Trump.
Why? Johnson has spent most of the time attacking Trump and staying away from attacking Hillary, generally
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Bad news for Trump.
Elaborate plz
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Trump is gonna coast to a victory imo
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Why? Johnson has spent most of the time attacking Trump and staying away from attacking Hillary, generally
Because there's some narrative that Johnson would steal more votes from Clinton than Trump. Which makes no sense policy-wise.
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Because there's some narrative that Johnson would steal more votes from Clinton than Trump. Which makes no sense policy-wise.
Well he could probably steal away some of the dude weed lmao types
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Why? Johnson has spent most of the time attacking Trump and staying away from attacking Hillary, generally
Because Trump is far better suited for a panel debate than he is a one-on-one debate.
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The number of participants in the debate doesn't affect the length of the debate or the number of topics discussed so the fewer the participants the longer each one has to spend addressing his/her opponent's stance on an issue and elaborating in detail on his/her own stance.
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Trump used the large field of candidates in the Republican primary process to his advantage repeatedly during the debates by simply deflecting attention whenever he was asked a question he didn't want to or simply couldn't answer.
In a one-on-one debate, you're not afforded that ability.
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Trump used the large field of candidates in the Republican primary process to his advantage repeatedly during the debates by simply deflecting attention whenever he was asked a question he didn't want to or simply couldn't answer.
In a one-on-one debate, you're not afforded that ability.
With Hillary's health I'm not sure she will last the entirety of the debate without significant breaks. There is definitely something up with her.
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Basically, Clinton's strength is her depth of knowledge in virtually every policy category. There's almost zero debate over the fact that she knows more than Trump when it comes to pretty much anything. Having only two participants in the debate only accentuates this strength because each candidate will have more time to develop their platforms and poke holes in their opponent's.
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With Hillary's health I'm not sure she will last the entirety of the debate without significant breaks. There is definitely something up with her.
Maybe, but there's still 9 days for her to get well enough to answer questions for 2 hours.
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Basically, Clinton's strength is her depth of knowledge in virtually every policy category. There's almost zero debate over the fact that she knows more than Trump when it comes to pretty much anything. Having only two participants in the debate only accentuates this strength because each candidate will have more time to develop their platforms and poke holes in their opponent's.
It will come down to her ability to deal with Trump's master trolling ability. Not sure how she will fare when the debate goes off script
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Maybe, but there's still 9 days for her to get well enough to answer questions for 2 hours.
I think her problems are neurological, I don't buy the pneumonia tale
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Everything is set up for her to absolutely crush Trump in the debates but there's still a distinct possibility of her falling completely flat on her face because it's who she is.
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I think the biggest issue with Hillary is whether she's going to know all the questions in advanced.
Shes a terrible speaker, and there's a reason everytime she speaks publicly it's basically a prearranged thing
If she gets asked something she's not prepared for, she's gonna get fucked
While Trump on the other hand doesn't actually know anything, so he's rather experienced at answering questions he's not prepared for and doesn't know anything about
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Trump used the large field of candidates in the Republican primary process to his advantage repeatedly during the debates by simply deflecting attention whenever he was asked a question he didn't want to or simply couldn't answer.
In a one-on-one debate, you're not afforded that ability.
That's a really good point. Never thought of that.
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I think the biggest issue with Hillary is whether she's going to know all the questions in advanced.
Shes a terrible speaker, and there's a reason everytime she speaks publicly it's basically a prearranged thing
If she gets asked something she's not prepared for, she's gonna get fucked
While Trump on the other hand doesn't actually know anything, so he's rather experienced at answering questions he's not prepared for and doesn't know anything about
STOP TRYING TO APPEASE THE LIBERALLLLLLS
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Except in a debate you'll get called out for not knowing something or saying something that's patently false. You don't have to worry about that at a rally.
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Except in a debate you'll get called out for not knowing something or saying something that's patently false. You don't have to worry about that at a rally.
Can't say I've watched a ton of debates but politicians love to give non answers, catch phrases, and speak in circles.
You already know Trump is going to answer everything with Its gonna be great, or I have the best people. Or just flip everything and attack Hillary while ignoring the question
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You already know Trump is going to answer everything with Its gonna be great, or I have the best people. Or just flip everything and attack Hillary while ignoring the question
And, God willing, the majority of Americans will see right through that.
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And, God willing, the majority of Americans will see right through that.
You give them too much credit. After all millions of these people actually support these two garbage candidates, and think they are fit for the presidency.
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Basically, Clinton's strength is her depth of knowledge in virtually every policy category. There's almost zero debate over the fact that she knows more than Trump when it comes to pretty much anything. Having only two participants in the debate only accentuates this strength because each candidate will have more time to develop their platforms and poke holes in their opponent's.
Knowledge of policy is one thing, but positions are what people are going to be looking out for. I've seen Clinton's speeches, they're just as vague and full of political platitudes as many have said about Trump's. "We need to come together and overcome obstacles not build walls to bring us apart!" Also, Trump has had more policy-specific speeches, press conferences, and interviews than Clinton. By far.
Trump is far better in terms of sound bites that people remember out of debates. He'll challenge her on the email stuff, and say something like "If you had done something like that at one of my companies, you would've been fired, not being considered to run the whole organization."
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Where can I bet on Ol' seizure queen shaking like a salt shaker half way through the debate?
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Where can I bet on Ol' seizure queen shaking like a salt shaker half way through the debate?
Even if she did have a disease (which I don't think she does) you know that her machine would pay off the media and or have her drugged up to ridiculous levels to ensure that didn't happen
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Even if she did have a disease (which I don't think she does) you know that her machine would pay off the media and or have her drugged up to ridiculous levels to ensure that didn't happen
They can't edit live TV. She better EpiPen her funbags off.
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Even if she did have a disease (which I don't think she does) you know that her machine would pay off the media and or have her drugged up to ridiculous levels to ensure that didn't happen
It could definitely affect her performance during the debates though.
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They should force both to do shrooms and then debate. They might freak onstage. Or eat each other. Whatever.
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They can't edit live TV. She better EpiPen her funbags off.
They can't edit live TV
But they can do all kinds of funky excrement with filters, zooming out, panning the camera, etc.
There's tons of things that will look perfectly normal if you only see them for brief moment.
I also imagine theyll have multiple cameras so they can easily switch between them
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Knowledge of policy is one thing, but positions are what people are going to be looking out for.
If Trump comes off as the uninformed, unprepared derriere-clown that he has to this point during the debates, his lack of any substantive policy knowledge will come back to bite him.
Also, Trump has had more policy-specific speeches, press conferences, and interviews than Clinton. By far.
This made me laugh. Trump hasn't explained how he plans to implement any of the policies he's proposed because he can't.
He'll challenge her on the email stuff, and say something like "If you had done something like that at one of my companies, you would've been fired, not being considered to run the whole organization."
If he does, she'll simply respond with Trump University or Trump's bankrupted hotels and casinos in Atlantic City or his millions of dollars of debt to foreign countries, including China, or his numerous other failed business dealings. Attacking Clinton on her emails is not a path he wants to go down in the debates because it opens a much bigger can of worms for him. One he hasn't had to deal with because of the insulation his rallies provide.
Trump is far better in terms of sound bites that people remember out of debates.
That can be a double-edged sword.
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still voting for Deez Nuts
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JK... Harambe is the obvious choice
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If Trump comes off as the uninformed, unprepared derriere-clown that he has to this point during the debates, his lack of any substantive policy knowledge will come back to bite him.
This made me laugh. Trump hasn't explained how he plans to implement any of the policies he's proposed because he can't.
If he does, she'll simply respond with Trump University or Trump's bankrupted hotels and casinos in Atlantic City or his millions of dollars of debt to foreign countries, including China, or his numerous other failed business dealings. Attacking Clinton on her emails is not a path he wants to go down in the debates because it opens a much bigger can of worms for him. One he hasn't had to deal with because of the insulation his rallies provide.
That can be a double-edged sword.
You're going to tell me that her incompetence during her tenure as Secretary of State is less of an issue than a few of Trump's businesses going through Chapter 11 restructuring?
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You're going to tell me that her incompetence during her tenure as Secretary of State is less of an issue than a few of Trump's businesses going through Chapter 11 restructuring?
Regardless of how you feel about her tenure as Secretary of State, the one thing you can't say about her is that she lacks experience. Trump has none and that should be terrifying to anyone who lives in this country.
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Regardless of how you feel about her tenure as Secretary of State, the one thing you can't say about her is that she lacks experience. Trump has none and that should be terrifying to anyone who lives in this country.
If I made a list of reasons why Trump shouldn't be president, his lack of experience wouldn't be anywhere even remotely close to the top
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/donald-trump-scandals/474726/
It's a good read if you have the time.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/donald-trump-scandals/474726/
It's a good read if you have the time.
It's hard to care about what scandals Trump has. Because Hillary is just far more corrupt, and there's just so many better reasons to hate Trump.
And maybe it's the media's portrayal of Hillary as a corrupt monster, I have to think it's hard for people to just care about anything Trump as done wrong with the exception of things he's said
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I don't like either candidate, but in terms of who can do the most damage in four years, it's Trump and it's not even close.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/donald-trump-scandals/474726/
It's a good read if you have the time.
Too bad The Atlantic is a joke.
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Too bad The Atlantic is a joke.
Because...?
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Because...?
Aside from its intellectual dishonesty and overall rampant left-wing bias? Ta-Nehisi Coates is a more eloquent Shaun King.
And this isn't a bad article which was the point of my original post.
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Aside from its intellectual dishonesty and overall rampant left-wing bias? Ta-Nehisi Coates is a more eloquent Shaun King.
And this isn't a bad article which was the point of my original post.
Some of his latest stories:
How Breitbart Conquered the Media
Political reporters were taken aback by Hillary Clinton’s charge that half of Trump’s supporters are prejudiced. Few bothered to investigate the claim itself.
What O.J Simpson Means to Me
His great accomplishment was to be indicted for a crime and then receive the kind of treatment typically reserved for rich white guys.
Hillary Clinton Was Politically Incorrect, but She Wasn't Wrong About Trump's Supporters
Hillary Clinton Was Politically Incorrect, but She Wasn't Wrong About Trump's Supporters
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"typically reserved for rich white guys"
So he's basically ignoring the fact that O.J spent millions of dollars on his legal defense... which is something that rich people who have committed crimes typically do.
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^Please tell me those are the same author. Otherwise, meh.
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^Please tell me those are the same author. Otherwise, meh.
Nah, different authors, but still funny. Then again, it's Salon, so not unexpected.
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Nah, different authors, but still funny. Then again, it's Salon, so not unexpected.
Two different authors 9 years apart isn't really that amusing. The way in which Hitler gets tossed around by both sides of the spectrum is just retarded, not really amusing. Ditto for the "x argument is ridiculous and offensive for the other side to use, but ok for me!" routine.
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Two different authors 9 years apart isn't really that amusing. The way in which Hitler gets tossed around by both sides of the spectrum is just retarded, not really amusing. Ditto for the "x argument is ridiculous and offensive for the other side to use, but ok for me!" routine.
Anytime someone uses the Hitler comparison on either side I immediately dismiss them as the freaking simpleton that they are. It's nonsense. Can we wait until said candidate gasses 6 million people or does something as comparable?
There are other examples of Salon showcasing their own hypocrisy (usually by the same author.) WaPo recently had a columnist admonish people as sexist for questioning Hilldawgs health, and then about 72 hours later (after the fainting episode) declare it a "legitimate topic in this election." Now while I'm not surprised at the hypocrisy, the turnaround time was pretty astounding.
Some of his latest stories:
How Breitbart Conquered the Media
Political reporters were taken aback by Hillary Clinton’s charge that half of Trump’s supporters are prejudiced. Few bothered to investigate the claim itself.
What O.J Simpson Means to Me
His great accomplishment was to be indicted for a crime and then receive the kind of treatment typically reserved for rich white guys.
Hillary Clinton Was Politically Incorrect, but She Wasn't Wrong About Trump's Supporters
Hillary Clinton Was Politically Incorrect, but She Wasn't Wrong About Trump's Supporters
Of all three, what's the most absurd? The rationalization of demonizing essentially half the population (its ok though because its the segment of the population who's views he personally finds undesirable), the thrill of watching a butcher get off on a murder rap because he happened to be black with a white victim (Even though said perp spent his entire adult life attempting to appeal to white America and did nothing to give back to the community from which he came), or the assertion that freaking BREITBART has taken control of the media. Yeah, they really have WaPo, HuffPo etc. in their firm grasp. Forget about Wikileaks pretty much exposing that the DNC has most of mainstream media completely at their beck and call.
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Two different authors 9 years apart isn't really that amusing. The way in which Hitler gets tossed around by both sides of the spectrum is just retarded, not really amusing. Ditto for the "x argument is ridiculous and offensive for the other side to use, but ok for me!" routine.
I agree with you. It all started around 2004 I believe, when Bush was being labeled as the next Hitler or some BS. Then I guess the gloves came off and it became okay to compare anyone you don't like to Hitler. It's absurd.
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I agree with you. It all started around 2004 I believe, when Bush was being labeled as the next Hitler or some BS. Then I guess the gloves came off and it became okay to compare anyone you don't like to Hitler. It's absurd.
2004 might be too late. I don't remember the exact rhetoric after his election, but there was a lot of discussion even then about Rove and Cheney as orchestrating some sort of fascist takeover. For the longest time, Bush was just considered a moronic puppet.
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2004 might be too late. I don't remember the exact rhetoric after his election, but there was a lot of discussion even then about Rove and Cheney as orchestrating some sort of fascist takeover. For the longest time, Bush was just considered a moronic puppet.
2004 just comes to mind because of all the protests after the Iraq War and with Fahrenheit 911 coming out. Bush = Hitler signs out in Union Square and around college campuses, etc. I remember some people being ticked off about the election, but don't remember much by the way of protests before the Iraq War. But, you're right, after that we definitely saw those crazy conspiracy theories about Bush being a puppet and Cheney running the show. Things escalated when idiotic college kids started lapping up Loose Change in 2005.
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George H.W. Bush just said that he's voting for Hillary.
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I'd say 2002ish.
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George H.W. Bush just said that he's voting for Hillary.
Well If Bush is a racist and Hitler, and all the other stuff the left has said about his sons (and him by proxy)
They'll have a hard time figuring out who to vote for
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George H.W. Bush just said that he's voting for Hillary.
Sort of. He said it to a bunch of people and a Kennedy leaked it first. He didn't announce it publicly, and I'm not sure he's happy it got out.
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Sort of. He said it to a bunch of people and a Kennedy leaked it first. He didn't announce it publicly, and I'm not sure he's happy it got out.
Guys 92, and Trumps hated by many Republicans
Shouldn't give a freak at this point
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Sort of. He said it to a bunch of people and a Kennedy leaked it first. He didn't announce it publicly, and I'm not sure he's happy it got out.
I'm sure he didn't want it to get out, but it's since been corroborated by multiple sources.
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Sort of. He said it to a bunch of people and a Kennedy leaked it first. He didn't announce it publicly, and I'm not sure he's happy it got out.
Nobody has the expectation of privacy any longer, so it is totally cool to just put everyone's private excrement in public, freak him. Amirite JE?
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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/b2fc974d1d/between-two-ferns-with-zach-galifianakis-hillary-clinton?_cc=__m___&_ccid=ca2882fc-6358-4646-9d69-e5c121d0ad2d
That. Was. Awesome.
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Eichenwald's investigation has been absolutely destroying Trump in Newsweek over the last few days. Sadly the only people paying attention are people intelligent enough not to vote for him in the first place, but it's still worth reading the series of articles. This is the latest:
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jeb-bush-lie-florida-casino-gambling-502144
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Eichenwald's investigation has been absolutely destroying Trump in Newsweek over the last few days. Sadly the only people paying attention are people intelligent enough not to vote for him in the first place, but it's still worth reading the series of articles. This is the latest:
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jeb-bush-lie-florida-casino-gambling-502144
Dude I'm pretty sure everyone on this board except Tommy thinks Trump is a piece of excrement and a variety of extremely negative things.
But why would anyone give a excrement about Trump committing perjury almost a decade ago about something that sounds like nonsense
When Hillary Clinton consistently has lied to the American people, FBI, rigged elections, lied about her health situation, and a plethora of extremely dishonest criminal behavior?
I seriously can't imagine why anybody would give two fucks about this Trump thing when Clinton has been exponentially worse when it comes to lying and being dishonest . And there are so so many better reasons to hate Trump than thus
excrement like this just makes you look extremely biased
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yeah you tell that biased freak
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We're all biased. The only ones who aren't biased are the ones who don't give a excrement.
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https://youtu.be/2DQn3Szi4aA
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Dude I'm pretty sure everyone on this board except Tommy thinks Trump is a piece of excrement and a variety of extremely negative things.
But why would anyone give a excrement about Trump committing perjury almost a decade ago about something that sounds like nonsense
When Hillary Clinton consistently has lied to the American people, FBI, rigged elections, lied about her health situation, and a plethora of extremely dishonest criminal behavior?
I seriously can't imagine why anybody would give two fucks about this Trump thing when Clinton has been exponentially worse when it comes to lying and being dishonest . And there are so so many better reasons to hate Trump than thus
excrement like this just makes you look extremely biased
I don't think I could have been much clearer or more consistent about my position on this whole thing. I think that Clinton is a bad candidate but I think that Trump is the symbol of every terrible stereotype about America. I think he would be the single worst thing to happen to the world, and particularly America, in the last 70 years. I don't think that for one moment I have hidden my bias towards the least awful of two bad options where one is absolutely freaking terrifying. I suggest you actually read Eichenwald's articles.
What is interesting is that every time I post something about Trump you tell us about how much you hate both of them and then immediately tell us about how much Clinton is worse, when we all know which way you're going to vote in November. At least Tommy has the balls to admit to it.
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Trump worse than 9/11 huh?
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Trump worse than 9/11 huh?
Yeah, I think that 3000 people killed in a terrorist attack would pale in comparison to the dismantling of the last vestiges of world peace. I think that Trump could genuinely make 9/11 look like a minor skirmish, and I'm not trying to belittle the horror of that day. Unleashing that freaking retard on the world of international diplomacy has potentially terrifying consequences. Don't take my word for it, just look at what your own national security advisors are saying.
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Yeah, I think that 3000 people killed in a terrorist attack would pale in comparison to the dismantling of the last vestiges of world peace. I think that Trump could genuinely make 9/11 look like a minor skirmish, and I'm not trying to belittle the horror of that day. Unleashing that freaking retard on the world of international diplomacy has potentially terrifying consequences. Don't take my word for it, just look at what your own national security advisors are saying.
Well that's nice, but ridiculous hyperbole like this absolutely belittles that day. Good effort though.
Trump 2016. It's statements like this that really have me pulling for a Trump victory.
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Well that's nice, but ridiculous hyperbole like this absolutely belittles that day. Good effort though.
Trump 2016. It's statements like this that really have me pulling for a Trump victory.
Trump's a pathological liar, and anyone who votes for him is fundamentally unfit to be in possession of something as important as a vote. You're going to read the URL of this link and not even bother watching it, but it's all anyone who isn't an absolute freaking lunatic should need to know that he's woefully unfit to be elected. You can call it hyperbole if you like, but I can't think of another candidate who has ever displayed such a stunning track record of contradictions, disingenuity and barefaced lies. The only reason anyone would vote for him is the colour of his party flag, and half of them have disavowed him.
https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1206887309404321/
I don't like Clinton very much at all, but she's far less scary.
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Trump's a pathological liar, and anyone who votes for him is fundamentally unfit to be in possession of something as important as a vote. You're going to read the URL of this link and not even bother watching it, but it's all anyone who isn't an absolute freaking lunatic should need to know that he's woefully unfit to be elected. You can call it hyperbole if you like, but I can't think of another candidate who has ever displayed such a stunning track record of contradictions, disingenuity and barefaced lies. The only reason anyone would vote for him is the colour of his party flag, and half of them have disavowed him.
https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1206887309404321/
I don't like Clinton very much at all, but she's far less scary.
Lololol. I mean I really could not give a freak about whether you think I should have a vote or not given
A. your last doozy of a statement
B. Your posting a video from OCCUPY freaking DEMOCRATS. THE EQUIVALENT TO INTERNET AIDS and then actually taking some sort of intellectual high ground.
By the way, at what point ANY POINT during this election have the Clintons been forthcoming about ANYTHING IN THEIR ENTIRE POLITICAL CAREERS? Since honesty is such a priority.
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Please, I want to hear more from someone who is apparently purporting to want to pursue a serious legal career and thinks that bacon jokes around policemen are funny.
You have a lot of the world to see and understand, and a lot of growing up to do.
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Please, I want to hear more from someone who is apparently purporting to want to pursue a serious legal career and thinks that bacon jokes around policemen are funny.
You have a lot of the world to see and understand, and a lot of growing up to do.
It's called making an absurd quip on a message board, partially because I thought it was funny and partially because I was running off of an adrenaline high because I had just completed my first hearing. Or is everything that's said on here now supposed to be literal?
"You have a lot of growing up to do" says the man who's comparing the possible election of a candidate he despises to the worst attack to ever happen on United States soil.
I mean, I remember back in high school how the retard brigade would assert with all certainty that a second Bush term was going to lead to WW3. Your hyperbole with Trump is no different.
I'm gonna venture an educated guess and say you've dropped a Hitler comparison after the latest article you read off of thinkprogress, Salon or some other absolute dumpster fire.
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Go figure, the most routinely grating and insufferable posts in this thread are from someone who isn't from and doesn't live in this country.
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I'd take four years of Trump over 9/11. Especially with a dem congress.
Eight years? I'd have some soul searching to do.
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I want no part of either of the three Trump, Clinton, or 9/11. It's a choice between hemorrhoids, diarrhea or full on prison rape. Unless you're a total bundle of sticks, you take the first two.
I get where JE is coming from, even though he put it wrong. Trump will be an utter disaster to the rest of the world. It's doubtful that self promoting sack of excrement will do anything he says domestically, but his pathetic dealings with others will certainly freak up foreign policy. Hopefully, he will have a heart attack and die between now and the election.
God I hope Johnson gets in the debates somehow.
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It's not unrealistic to believe that Trump's total lack of any foreign policy experience and his abrasive, confrontational attitude (particularly toward those of the Muslim faith) could eventually lead to a worse catastrophe than 9/11, which was JE's point.
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People need to do away with this notion that foreign and domestic policy are somehow not affected by one another.
You cannot turn the United States into an isolationist fortress without massive social, economic, and security repercussions.
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It's not unrealistic to believe that Trump's total lack of any foreign policy experience and his abrasive, confrontational attitude (particularly toward those of the Muslim faith) could eventually lead to a worse catastrophe than 9/11, which was JE's point.
As opposed to the weekly global terror attacks were experiencing now? I agree that Trump is volatile and confrontational but the current state of global affairs leaves a lot to be desired even with Obama who is well-liked outside our borders
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It's not unrealistic to believe that Trump's total lack of any foreign policy experience and his abrasive, confrontational attitude (particularly toward those of the Muslim faith) could eventually lead to a worse catastrophe than 9/11, which was JE's point.
This is uncomfortably close to justifying terror acts in an "asking for it" kind of way.
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This is uncomfortably close to justifying terror acts in an "asking for it" kind of way.
I hardly see how wanting to avoid dowsing an already unstable political climate with kerosene is equatable to victim blaming in sexual assault cases.
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In what world are some of you guys living in? As much as I despise Clinton, her being elected will hardly have much of an affect on my day to day life. Same with Trump. This ain't the movies, the President doesn't have as much power as you think, and there's no fuckn "button". Really wish people would stop bringing that up.
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No one is arguing that a terrorist attack would somehow be solicited by a Trump presidency but to discount the possibility that further antagonizing an entire religious group of people (particularly one that has often been associated with fanatical terrorism) with prejudicial treatment and threats of ostracism could potentially lead to attacks in the future is dangerously ignorant.
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That loud mouthed retard can certainly freak up foreign policy, how is that even arguable?
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And Clinton is in bed with Saudi Arabia.. both sides are fucked
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Invoking 9/11 cheaply in front of a bunch of people from the tri-state area when you're not a citizen of the US and then immediately following it with a statement that people shouldn't be allowed to vote for somebody is a spectacularly cunty way to engage in a political conversation.
Particularly factoring in the perpetual red rocket JE has every time he mines up a 10 year old queefed quote from his favorite loudmouth wind sack.
1 or 2 people out of an entire group of people is voting for a particular candidate, so that means for the most part we all fundamentally agree on Trump. I just don't see anyone else being quite so obnoxious and incessant about it.
Trump could absolutely freak up foreign policy but the a Dem congress could keep him at bay. I don' t think, god forbid he got elected, he'd be able to take more of his extreme positions. It's not an experiment I want to see, but the branches of government exist for a reason.
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Trump is not going to win. I don't think anyone believes that. I think we need to start with as a baseline. Even though polling data can be sketchy, the sample size has been large enough over time to show that Clinton has maintained a strong lead. There's nothing that's going to jeopardize that because of what Trump has done to his campaign.
Granted, leaders and people out in the public can't say it, but there's few people besides the typical rhubarb rednecks who are going to vote for him. I can count on one hand the people I know in real life who'd vote for Trump, and that's only because they have money and are a bit crazy in their own right. The other Trump supporter I know is a frat brother who's a delusional musician. You don't come across enough of these people and as proven in the past 2 elections, and that's not enough on its own to win. Even more moderate people who voted for McCain and Romney are more likely to not vote or vote for Clinton.
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In what world are some of you guys living in? As much as I despise Clinton, her being elected will hardly have much of an affect on my day to day life. Same with Trump. This ain't the movies, the President doesn't have as much power as you think, and there's no fuckn "button". Really wish people would stop bringing that up.
The worst effect of President Trump on my daily life would be VP Mike Pence in charge of domestic policy.
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Invoking 9/11 cheaply in front of a bunch of people from the tri-state area when you're not a citizen of the US and then immediately following it with a statement that people shouldn't be allowed to vote for somebody is a spectacularly cunty way to engage in a political conversation.
Particularly factoring in the perpetual red rocket JE has every time he mines up a 10 year old queefed quote from his favorite loudmouth wind sack.
1 or 2 people out of an entire group of people is voting for a particular candidate, so that means for the most part we all fundamentally agree on Trump. I just don't see anyone else being quite so obnoxious and incessant about it.
Trump could absolutely freak up foreign policy but the a Dem congress could keep him at bay. I don' t think, god forbid he got elected, he'd be able to take more of his extreme positions. It's not an experiment I want to see, but the branches of government exist for a reason.
Don't overestimate the number of working class people who don't normally vote who attend trump rallies and are the ones posting about him on FB etc. Even most of my blue collar relatives, albeit not very well educated, are probably the biggest supporters of his I've seen. He's motivating people to vote and care. Clinton can't elicit the same, nor could anyone of the other republican candidates.
Also, when people say "hell freak up foreign policy" I'd like to hear some examples. No county in this world is self sufficient, but the U.S is damn close. The world needs the U.S more than we need them, and from a trade negotiation standpoint, even a foreign policy standpoint, we hold all the cards.
America is the world's lone superpower, and it's going to stay that way for a very long time. We've made sure of that. Trump can literally stand on a podium and for four years straight and lash out at every country and we'd be no worse off then then we are today.
And most people don't give a excrement about foreign policy. We want the government to keep us safe and create an environment where we can make money. That's Trump's entire message. America First.
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I don't think I could have been much clearer or more consistent about my position on this whole thing. I think that Clinton is a bad candidate but I think that Trump is the symbol of every terrible stereotype about America. I think he would be the single worst thing to happen to the world, and particularly America, in the last 70 years. I don't think that for one moment I have hidden my bias towards the least awful of two bad options where one is absolutely freaking terrifying. I suggest you actually read Eichenwald's articles.
What is interesting is that every time I post something about Trump you tell us about how much you hate both of them and then immediately tell us about how much Clinton is worse, when we all know which way you're going to vote in November. At least Tommy has the balls to admit to it.
I didn't say Clinton is way worse overall.
I said Clinton was way worse when it comes to this issue (honesty).
My point was these articles highlight excrement about Trump that is not a big deal. Whether Trumps stupid comments regarding a casino in 2007 is perjury doesn't mean a shred of a freaking thing about anything. And yes the candidate you support has committed perjury or lied about significantly more serious matters much much more recently
Quite frankly I don't see how anybody could think Trumps honesty is a major issue. The guy has been extremely freaking honest about how ignorant and close minded he can be. A much bigger issue would be how delusional he is or how he has the composure and self control of a child, and is incapable of setting personal attacks aside to focus on what matters.
Really what I was getting at is the excrement against Trump you were pointing out is so moot and irrelevant in the scheme of things.
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Trump is not going to win. I don't think anyone believes that. I think we need to start with as a baseline.
Disagree entirely, I think Trump cruises to an easy win. There are a ton of disenfranchised Democrats that will vote third party or Trump. Granted the same applies on the Republican side will suffer a similar fate but not to the same extent.
There are a lot of quiet Trump supporters out there.
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Not to go all Yogi Berra
But the only way Trump wins, is if Hillary loses
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Disagree entirely, I think Trump cruises to an easy win. There are a ton of disenfranchised Democrats that will vote third party or Trump. Granted the same applies on the Republican side will suffer a similar fate but not to the same extent.
There are a lot of quiet Trump supporters out there.
Hillary is pretty much like what Romney was in 2012. He certainly had people within the party on his side, but people weren't going out of their way to support him. Yeah you had the ones who didn't like Obama, but wasn't enough.
If you're a Republican then you really don't want Hillary in the White House despite how you feel about Trump. And then Trump also has the benefit of an actual movement. Something similar to what Obama had in 2008.
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Hillary is pretty much like what Romney was in 2012. He certainly had people within the party on his side, but people weren't going out of their way to support him. Yeah you had the ones who didn't like Obama, but wasn't enough.
If you're a Republican then you really don't want Hillary in the White House despite how you feel about Trump. And then Trump also has the benefit of an actual movement. Something similar to what Obama had in 2008.
The difference is Romney didn't run against the most hated presidential candidate of all time,otherwise he'd be president right now.
And Trump is so toxic its not just Republican voters running from him it's Republican politicians as well
And the big thing for Republicans not to support him (other than his off the charts negatives) is once he loses, he'll be completely gone from American politics forever.
Unlike someone like Hillary who will still be a part of the biggest political machine even if she loses
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The difference is Romney didn't run against the most hated presidential candidate of all time,otherwise he'd be president right now.
And Trump is so toxic its not just Republican voters running from him it's Republican politicians as well
And the big thing for Republicans not to support him (other than his off the charts negatives) is once he loses, he'll be completely gone from American politics forever.
Unlike someone like Hillary who will still be a part of the biggest political machine even if she loses
He's not one of the most hated of all time. Maybe you're too young to remember but the hate against Trump pales in comparison to what we saw against Bush in 2004. Bush was probably called worse and he never said anything even half as bad as Trump has. Kerry was running as "not Bush" and it didn't work. Hillary is doing the same thing "vote for me because I'm not Trump". Let's see how that strategy works out.
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He's not one of the most hated of all time. Maybe you're too young to remember but the hate against Trump pales in comparison to what we saw against Bush in 2004. Bush was probably called worse and he never said anything even half as bad as Trump has. Kerry was running as "not Bush" and it didn't work. Hillary is doing the same thing "vote for me because I'm not Trump". Let's see how that strategy works out.
Or it could just be that a Trump supporter has a hard time discerning facts from fantasy
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/
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Or it could just be that a Trump supporter has a hard time discerning facts from fantasy
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/
Voting on hope and change. Trump already sold them on it. Just like Obama did his supporters years ago.
Look at Brexit. Everyone pegged that vote to fail, but people who wouldn't normally vote voted because they figured that things would change for the better.
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And the big thing for Republicans not to support him (other than his off the charts negatives) is once he loses, he'll be completely gone from American politics forever.
Unlike someone like Hillary who will still be a part of the biggest political machine even if she loses
Not really. Hillary's sole purpose in the political arena is to become president. She doesn't hold office, if she loses she's just going to go back to giving $250k speeches.
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Not really. Hillary's sole purpose in the political arena is to become president. She doesn't hold office, if she loses she's just going to go back to giving $250k speeches.
But there's the Clinton foundation, which is still a juggernaut in the political stratosphere
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But there's the Clinton foundation, which is still a juggernaut in the political stratosphere
And? What effect would a post-defeat Hillary and the Clinton Foundation have on your life? As I said before, it's been about consolidating power and influence for years to make a run for president in 2016.
Voters are barely tolerating Hillary right now because they think she's the less awful option, she doesn't have the hearts and minds of anyone besides a handful of weird diehards who've been biding their time since 2008. A post-defeat Hillary would do little besides make money for appearances.
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She's almost 70 too. If she loses she's probably done for good.
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He's not one of the most hated of all time. Maybe you're too young to remember but the hate against Trump pales in comparison to what we saw against Bush in 2004. Bush was probably called worse and he never said anything even half as bad as Trump has. Kerry was running as "not Bush" and it didn't work. Hillary is doing the same thing "vote for me because I'm not Trump". Let's see how that strategy works out.
Bush's worst came after he was reelected. There was polarization about invading Iraq but that was when the public was still fairly in the dark, particularly when it came to weapons of mass destruction. The high of "get those fuckers" wearing off and the reality of the motivations behind Iraq became clear around 2005-2006ish. Then the economy tanked a year later, and forced people to analyze Bush for his entire body of work.
We were in the middle of a "war" and Bush by virtue of being there for 9/11 established some equity with some voters. Kerry never had the consistent leads that Hillary has, which means more people were behind Bush then. Your timelines are off.
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Bush's worst came after he was reelected. There was polarization about invading Iraq but that was when the public was still fairly in the dark, particularly when it came to weapons of mass destruction. The high of "get those fuckers" wearing off and the reality of the motivations behind Iraq became clear around 2005-2006ish. Then the economy tanked a year later, and forced people to analyze Bush for his entire body of work.
We were in the middle of a "war" and Bush by virtue of being there for 9/11 established some equity with some voters. Kerry never had the consistent leads that Hillary has, which means more people were behind Bush then. Your timelines are off.
Well first of all the economy didn't start tanking until 2008. Second, the war high wore off almost immediately and the "Bush lied people died" chants were alive and well all throughout the election. The biggest issue for Kerry is that the economy was doing great but he kept trying to paint a bleak picture. The whole "Bush is shipping jobs overseas" message was dumb and didn't resonate with anyone other than college kids who already hated Bush.
Also the polls were a lot closer than you think. Bush didn't start running away with it until after the debates:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2004/president/us/general_election_bush_vs_kerry-939.html
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Anyone starting a game thread, I heard the superbowl of politics was about to kick off
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No
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/09/26/albanian-taxi-driver-decorates-his-cab-with-trump-pictures.html
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My first semester of college was at Hofstra. Left right after. My GPA there? 1.0
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Hillary has talked for 8 minutes and said absolutely nothing
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My first semester of college was at Hofstra. Left right after. My GPA there? 1.0
At this point I almost wish I had tanked this hard early in college and had to stop and think about what I was doing. Instead I just did really mediocre the whole time and did excrement I can't use in the real world.
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Trump is getting on Hillary's nerves, if Hillary can keep her composure and make Trump look like a hothead she can rebound and take the polling leads. If it gets to her Trump will crush this election
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Trumps actually mods intelligent than I thought
I didn't know he was capable of speaking about actual things
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This moderator is terrible
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And the excrement show began
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Moderator needs to take control of the debate
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Trump speaks just like the memes
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The hype for this debate was real
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HILLARY BTFO!!!
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Oh man Trump just insulted our airports
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Oh man Trump just insulted our airports
He's not wrong. Our airports and infrastructure are a disgrace for a country like ours.
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Trump is actually threatening to make me vote for Hillary. My kids just walked in and said he sounds like the people who yell on the street. They are dead on. He's freaking unintelligible and nuts. It's awesome.
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He's not wrong. Our airports and infrastructure are a disgrace for a country like ours.
Friend of mine who does a lot of charitable work in 3rd World Nations is dying right now with that comparison. Blame Democratic Republicans in the Era of Good Feelings for the way we fund our infrastructure.
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Ahahahaha. He's an absolute loon. This is amazing.
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Friend of mine who does a lot of charitable work in 3rd World Nations is dying right now with that comparison. Blame Democratic Republicans in the Era of Good Feelings for the way we fund our infrastructure.
freaking Democratic Republicans, they ruined America!
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Friend of mine who does a lot of charitable work in 3rd World Nations is dying right now with that comparison. Blame Democratic Republicans in the Era of Good Feelings for the way we fund our infrastructure.
Relatively speaking our infrastructure is a disgrace.
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Relatively speaking our infrastructure is a disgrace.
Relative to what?
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Who do yall got leading this thing so far
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Who do yall got leading this thing so far
People who hate America
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Who do yall got leading this thing so far
Trump is fulfilling his stereotypes but Hillary hasn't done anything to win me over. Biggest loser in this debate is Lester Holt.
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Some moderator bias so far, two clear attacks on Trump with the Tax return and Obama birthplace questions while the email server was mostly ignored. Wondering if there is more in store.
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People who hate America
Exactly. We collectively look like such poopchute morons right now.
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Some moderator bias so far, two clear attacks on Trump with the Tax return and Obama birthplace questions while the email server was mostly ignored. Wondering if there is more in store.
He did force her to answer and he's let Trump equivocate and ramble out of a few questions, but Holt has been terrible.
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Trumps done better than I would have expected, and I think economic issues and his willingness to come to the center were solid.
But other than that he's been a complete freaking lunatic, whose said quite a bit of excrement which is going to get ripped to shreds once analyzed
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So far Hillary has spent her entire adult life fighting ISIS, who Donald was so desperate to fight that he had to get to the bottom of the birth certificate matter.
This is gold.
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Trumps done better than I would have expected, and I think economic issues and his willingness to come to the center were solid.
But other than that he's been a complete freaking lunatic, whose said quite a bit of excrement which is going to get ripped to shreds once analyzed
How low was your bar?
He doesn't even know the murder rate in his own city. He's aggressively ignorant on it. Lowest homicide rate ever was in the first quarter of 2016.
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Trump seems like he's been talking off the cuff while Hillary seems like she's rehearsed for a while.
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This cyber attack question will be huge, Trump can attack strong here
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Trump seems like he's been talking off the cuff while Hillary seems like she's rehearsed for a while.
12 year olds can talk off the cuff more effectively than he can.
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Trump's explanation for his birtherist crusade against the president is one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard.
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He's not wrong. Our airports and infrastructure are a disgrace for a country like ours.
I'm always amazed that we can get anything built in a stretched out, spread out country that's the same size as Europe area wise.
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How low was your bar?
He doesn't even know the murder rate in his own city. He's aggressively ignorant on it. Lowest homicide rate ever was in the first quarter of 2016.
There were more murders in NYC in 2015 than 2014. They're down this year so far from 2015.
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12 year olds can talk off the cuff more effectively than he can.
Never said it was effective, but he's giving off that vibe. I feel like he had a few bullet points memorized and the rest of it is stream of conciousness
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How low was your bar?
He doesn't even know the murder rate in his own city. He's aggressively ignorant on it. Lowest homicide rate ever was in the first quarter of 2016.
Pretty low
But I think he outdid her on economics, which is typically the most important issue.
And his willingness to admit guns were a problem (kinda).
Plus he reinforced thst Hillary is a career politician, and he's an outsider. That's huge
But he's acted like a fool and a child many times as well.
He's also taking her to the shed now
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What is ISIS beating us on? "Cyber and cyberwarfare?" What is cyber?
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Lester teed one up for Trump there and Trump completely whiffed. He could have destroyed Hillary on the hacked/deleted emails right there
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Pretty low
But I think he outdid her on economics, which is typically the most important issue.
And his willingness to admit guns were a problem (kinda).
Plus he reinforced thst Hillary is a career politician, and he's an outsider. That's huge
But he's acted like a fool and a child many times as well.
He's also taking her to the shed now
He missed an opportunity there by demonstrating that he's apparently computer illiterate. He really sounds like tinfoil grandpa here.
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Lester teed one up for Trump there and Trump completely whiffed. He could have destroyed Hillary on the hacked/deleted emails right there
Yeah that was really disappointing. If we were going to get a Clinton fainting moment, that was the chance.
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Trump is losing this one just because he missed the e-mail bait in that question
But asking 2 direct questions to Trump about his dirty laundry and then skirting around this one is not very fair, IMO
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Currently I have this debate pegged at 55.38% in favor of Hillary
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He missed an opportunity there by demonstrating that he's apparently computer illiterate. He really sounds like tinfoil grandpa here.
They're both dinosaurs, this is why the president shouldn't be 70
Im no Obama fan, but I believe he's capable of using a cellphone
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Trump starting to bury himself
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Trumps a freaking blowhard
Everything good he does (which isn't much) gets wiped out by his illiterate rants
He's gonna hand this to Hillary
Shes giggling a fit knowing she doesn't have to speak, and will win every debate
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He makes her seem personable
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He makes her seem personable
That's the most remarkable part of all this.
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15 min in: Trump leading
30 min in: Even
45 min in: Hillary leading
60+ min in: wew lad
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Here's another chance to attack her
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Completely discounting global warming was a bad move
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Completely discounting global warming was a bad move
No idea why he did that. Completely unnecessary.
He's gotta attack her on her mistakes as Sec of State.
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This is like a mother that constantly needs to reign in her adult son.
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Barring a last minute fainting or seizure Hillary walks away a big winner here
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I can't wait to see how much the world shits on us for this performance by Trump.
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This election is tragic.
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I can't wait to see how much the world shits on us for this performance by Trump.
Why do people care what pundits around the world think about us?
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Why do people care what pundits around the world think about us?
Sheldon Richardson
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Why do people care what pundits around the world think about us?
The point is the whole world is going to think were the most retarded freaking country in the world after seeing this excrement show.
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The point is the whole world is going to think were the most retarded freaking country in the world after seeing this excrement show.
Who gives a excrement? "Oh some guy in Germany thinks we're a joke! Oh the horror!"
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Internet isnt Trumps friend
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check?lo=ut_a1
Shows he lied about quite a bit
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Who gives a excrement? "Oh some guy in Germany thinks we're a joke! Oh the horror!"
I know you're trolling, but it obviously matters in terms of diplomacy and foreign relations - when other countries populaces think America is a joke, more and more politicians will gamble and treat America like a joke for their domestic popularity.
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Why do people care what pundits around the world think about us?
Who is talking about pundits? You don't think it's a problem if our allies think we're about to elect an unintelligible blowhard? That lame apology to our allies from Hillary was waaaaay too spot on.
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Internet isnt Trumps friend
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check?lo=ut_a1
Shows he lied about quite a bit
Anyone with half a brain could probably pick out 5-10 lies just off memory.
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Anyone with half a brain could probably pick out 5-10 lies just off memory.
To be fair they said
What really happened to New York’s murder rate since Mayor Bill de Blasio took over in 2014? New data from the FBI, released Monday, find that there were 352 murders in New York City in 2015, a rate of 4.1 murders per 100,000 people. That’s up from 333 murders last year, a rate of 3.9 murders per 100,000 people.
That Trump was actually correct on the NYC murder rate
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To be fair they said
That Trump was actually correct on the NYC murder rate
They did, so it may have been operating on different statistical frameworks. I had read something saying that 2016 has seen the lowest murder rate in NYC history.
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Here: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5702b0dae4b0a06d580653e3
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They did, so it may have been operating on different statistical frameworks. I had read something saying that 2016 has seen the lowest murder rate in NYC history.
Only the first quarter of 2016
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This CNN panel post-debate is a disaster
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They did, so it may have been operating on different statistical frameworks. I had read something saying that 2016 has seen the lowest murder rate in NYC history.
What different statistics? Murders increased in 2015 from 2014. A simple Internet search tells you that.
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That Trump was actually correct on the NYC murder rate
Technically, regarding 2015, Trump was correct. However he doesn't seem to be aware that 2016 has had historic lows.
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What different statistics? Murders increased in 2015 from 2014. A simple Internet search tells you that.
They talked about the first quarter of 2016, which is only 3 months.
Of course Deblasio put that out in a press conference, and I dont believe a damn thing he says.
If the FBI says it, thats a different story.
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Technically, regarding 2015, Trump was correct. However he doesn't seem to be aware that 2016 has had historic lows.
It was based on 3 months
What happened the next 6 ?
I have no idea either
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This CNN panel post-debate is a disaster
To be honest I think these attacks on Trump coming out in the first debate is better for him. There's still two debates, and they're not going to ask the same questions.
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Technically, regarding 2015, Trump was correct. However he doesn't seem to be aware that 2016 has had historic lows.
...for a quarter. They've been historically low since the Giuliani era.
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To be honest I think these attacks on Trump coming out in the first debate is better for him. There's still two debates, and they're not going to ask the same questions.
It doesnt matter, hes his own worst enemy
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Trump said after the debate he will likely unleash the personal attacks on Hillary in the next debate/ads
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Trump said after the debate he will likely unleash the personal attacks on Hillary in the next debate/ads
Doesn't matter, he made people think about it without actually saying it.
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Also Trump has been doing press interviews for the last 30 minutes.
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Doesn't matter, he made people think about it without actually saying it.
True, but his numbers will definitely take a hit tonight. I could see him starting a smear campaign to try to win voters back.
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True, but his numbers will definitely take a hit tonight. I could see him starting a smear campaign to try to win voters back.
I don't think so to be honest. People care about the economy, and that was the first topic where he was strongest. I don't think most people watched he entire thing.
Trump is holding a lot of ammunition in his pocket. A good negotiator never lays it all out in the beginning. People in this country have short attention spans, so the next two will be more important.
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I don't think so to be honest. People care about the economy, and that was the first topic where he was strongest. I don't think most people watched he entire thing.
Trump is holding a lot of ammunition in his pocket. A good negotiator never lays it all out in the beginning. People in this country have short attention spans, so the next two will be more important.
To each his own. I personally thought Hillary coasted to a win in the second half, Trump started going off the rails. Debate clips will be all over the place tomorrow and Trump had more negative ammunition to be shown than Hillary.
Going into tonight I felt Trump had a 1 or 2 pt advantage overall, now I think that advantage has flipped to Hillary.
Absolutely agree about next two debates and attention spans. Just look at the freaking Jets. We were offensive Gods the past week.
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To each his own. I personally thought Hillary coasted to a win in the second half, Trump started going off the rails. Debate clips will be all over the place tomorrow and Trump had more negative ammunition to be shown than Hillary.
Going into tonight I felt Trump had a 1 or 2 pt advantage overall, now I think that advantage has flipped to Hillary.
I agree that he fumbled in the second half, but better to fumble in the first debate.
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I agree that he fumbled in the second half, but better to fumble in the first debate.
Yeah I edited my post.. attention spans are short. This can all change in two weeks.
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Hillary destroyed him by any intelligent standards. Of course, Trump supporters don't have intelligent standards. I was thinking about it because of the number of people I know who are 'hold your nose' types and flipped to Gary Johnson despite hating Clinton, and at this stage I don't know anyone who actively supports him who isn't an abject moron. And of course, they're too stupid to realize how stupid they really are, so they engage in anti-intellectualism and mistake his relatability for aptitude. "He speaks my language, so he must be intelligent."
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It was based on 3 months
What happened the next 6 ?
I have no idea either
Gee, you're right, I don't know what has happened through 9/16 this year, it's not like Clinton specifically referenced it or anything
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf
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Also Trump has been doing press interviews for the last 30 minutes.
Yeah, the way he denied saying during one of those interviews what he said in the debate is going to resonate with voters for sure.
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Yeah, the way he denied saying during one of those interviews what he said in the debate is going to resonate with voters for sure.
You obviously haven't been following this election.
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You obviously haven't been following this election.
If only
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Yeah, the way he denied saying during one of those interviews what he said in the debate is going to resonate with voters for sure.
Also, of course he's paid taxes. Most of his income is capital gains. Anyone who thinks he didn't "pay taxes" obviously doesn't know how taxes work.
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And no one is getting swayed either way. Trump already has his ardent supporters, and Clinton needs to actually get people to go out and vote for her.
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I'm pretty sure I won tonight's debate by completing ignoring it and any coverage of it.
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Hillary destroyed him by any intelligent standards. Of course, Trump supporters don't have intelligent standards. I was thinking about it because of the number of people I know who are 'hold your nose' types and flipped to Gary Johnson despite hating Clinton, and at this stage I don't know anyone who actively supports him who isn't an abject moron. And of course, they're too stupid to realize how stupid they really are, so they engage in anti-intellectualism and mistake his relatability for aptitude. "He speaks my language, so he must be intelligent."
Miamipuck thanks you a million times for this post.
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Trump, the "law and order" candidate, not knowing the crime rate in his own city was pretty funny.
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At this point I almost wish I had tanked this hard early in college and had to stop and think about what I was doing. Instead I just did really mediocre the whole time and did excrement I can't use in the real world.
I did this and it did not pan out for me so I don't think it works every time. And I actually ended up back in the field that I dropped out of.
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I declare Harambe the winner of this debate.
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And no one is getting swayed either way. Trump already has his ardent supporters, and Clinton needs to actually get people to go out and vote for her.
Yes. Trump's ardent supporters are uneducated white men. Anyone who wonders why he'd call our airports equivalent to a 3rd world nation just needs to look at his supporters. Extremist rhetoric works when your supporters are all functionally retarded:
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For comparison, here's America's shittiest airport, LaGuardia:
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And here's what an airport looks like in Kenya:
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He's got 0 chance of winning .
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It's like listening to an angry bigot car salesman at the end of the bar talk out his derriere.
She's just a robocunt who should be in prison
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Yes. Trump's ardent supporters are uneducated white men. Anyone who wonders why he'd call our airports equivalent to a 3rd world nation just needs to look at his supporters. Extremist rhetoric works when your supporters are all functionally retarded:
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Why does the airport comment bother you so much? Our infrastructure is an embarrassment for a country as rich as ours. Just because your dumbass friend who happens to live in a 3rd world country was all "hur dur dur he should see the airport in Botswana." The country is consistently overbudget and it has nothing to do with Hillary's claims about people not paying their "fair share" but all about negligent spending by the government. That was his point.
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Trump, the "law and order" candidate, not knowing the crime rate in his own city was pretty funny.
What are you talking about? Hillary was the one that said murders have been decreasing under DeBlasio and Trump said "that's wrong". He was right. Murders went up in 2015 from 2014. It may go down this year from 2015, but Hillary made it seem like it's been consistently falling under his term.
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Also, CNN is such a joke. They spend the entire pre-debate segment going on about how debates are won/lost in the first 15-30mins then post-debate discuss that though Trump clearly won in the first 30 mins Hillary was the overall winner because of her performance after that.
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Also, CNN is such a joke. They spend the entire pre-debate segment going on about how debates are won/lost in the first 15-30mins then post-debate discuss that though Trump clearly won in the first 30 mins Hillary was the overall winner because of her performance after that.
Trump fell off a cliff after the topic changed from economics
Economics is traditionally the most important issue so that's a good thing for Trump, but he was absolutely freaking horrible after that
And his negatives greatly outweighed his positives
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Trump fell off a cliff after the topic changed from economics
Economics is traditionally the most important issue so that's a good thing for Trump, but he was absolutely freaking horrible after that
And his negatives greatly outweighed his positives
Meh. He only really fumbled on the whole birther thing, but most voters don't give a excrement about that anymore. Can't understand why he harped on it so much. Just an ego thing. I'm disappointed that he didn't attack Hillary on the whole cyber security thing, which was a layup.
I honestly think he's playing the same strategy he had during the Republican debates. Take the flak early, so that the other side runs out of ammunition. He held back on a lot of stuff, which he can use in the next debate. Hillary sort of exhausted most of it. If she brings it all up again she'll just look like a broken record. If I were Trump, I'd wait until the third debate to throw out the biggest zingers, which will be 2 weeks before Election Day.
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What are you talking about? Hillary was the one that said murders have been decreasing under DeBlasio and Trump said "that's wrong". He was right. Murders went up in 2015 from 2014. It may go down this year from 2015, but Hillary made it seem like it's been consistently falling under his term.
Tommy, even if you ignore the fact that the frequency of murders in New York has been at a historic low this year, the number of reported murders last year (352) was 200 lower than in 2010 when stop-and-frisk was still in effect.
On a more serious point, you should really make sure that you have all your facts straight before you open your mouth on a subject that you're clearly not equipped to handle, unless you want to keep emulating Trump.
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Why does the airport comment bother you so much? Our infrastructure is an embarrassment for a country as rich as ours. Just because your dumbass friend who happens to live in a 3rd world country was all "hur dur dur he should see the airport in Botswana." The country is consistently overbudget and it has nothing to do with Hillary's claims about people not paying their "fair share" but all about negligent spending by the government. That was his point.
It doesn't bother me. It's just a particularly hilarious example of how the man trades in hyperbole and his supporters lap it up and repeat it like truth. We have 30 airports classified as large international airports. No other country has more than 4. We have an insanely spread out country for all the concentration we find in individual cities, and the responsibility for infrastructure, as I said, within a region falls to the municipal and state governments, NOT to the federal government. That was established more than 200 years ago. Even when, in the case of interstate highways, the federal government takes on part of the role of raising funds, it's up to the states to actually use those funds to do the construction. His 'point' was retarded, which is why you and his other little parrots support it.
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Tommy, even if you ignore the fact that the frequency of murders in New York has been at a historic low this year, the number of reported murders last year (352) was 200 lower than in 2010 when stop-and-frisk was still in effect.
On a more serious point, you should really make sure that you have all your facts straight before you open your mouth on a subject that you're clearly not equipped to handle, unless you want to keep emulating Trump.
Stop and Frisk pretty much started in the early 90s when the murder rate was averaging 2k per year by 2000 it was down to over 600. It continued to fall. I'm not saying that crime is increasing, but it's dumb to say that stop in frisk had no positive effect when the murder rate dropped significantly during its use.
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Stop and Frisk pretty much started in the early 90s when the murder rate was averaging 2k per year by 2000 it was down to over 600. It continued to fall. I'm not saying that crime is increasing, but it's dumb to say that stop in frisk had no positive effect when the murder rate dropped significantly during its use.
So you're ignoring the fact that the murder rate has dropped since stop-and-frisk was banned.
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So you're ignoring the fact that the murder rate has dropped since stop-and-frisk was banned.
Stop and Frisk stopped in 2014 when there were 333 murders. In 2015 there were 352 murders. That's not a drop. That's an increase.
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Stop and Frisk stopped in 2014 when there were 333 murders. In 2015 there were 352 murders. That's not a drop. That's an increase.
19 murders isn't enough to say it should return. That's close enough to the average to make it negligible. If the murder rates continue to increase over the course of the next 4 years, then it can be agreed upon that the policy stopped murders.
It's still an unconstitutional practice. Even if my white derriere was never going to be hassled, it's still authoritarian.
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19 murders isn't enough to say it should return. That's close enough to the average to make it negligible. If the murder rates continue to increase over the course of the next 4 years, then it can be agreed upon that the policy stopped murders.
It's still an unconstitutional practice. Even if my white derriere was never going to be hassled, it's still authoritarian.
Yeah but we're comparing one year to 15 years of data where the murder rate dropped considerably.
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Stop and Frisk stopped in 2014 when there were 333 murders. In 2015 there were 352 murders. That's not a drop. That's an increase.
You're fixated on last year when there was an abnormal spike in crime across the country but are completely disregarding this year. Don't you see the inherent bias in that?
Either way, you're talking about an incredibly small sample size. As I referenced before, the murder rate in New York dropped by over 36% from 2010 (when stop-and-frisk was still in effect) to 2015 but there are obviously many factors that affect the frequency of crime so to try to pin it all on the use or non-use of stop-and-frisk is quite an oversimplification of a very complex issue.
When it comes to stop-and-frisk, the only point that really matters is that the policy is in clear violation of the 4th amendment's protection against unlawful search and seizure and is, therefore, unconstitutional.
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Yeah but we're comparing one year to 15 years of data where the murder rate dropped considerably.
In 15 years time, if the rates stay consistent, then what?
This is a wait and see issue. Plus, i'll take police not stopping people at random and duck a few bullets for the sake of freedom.
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It's impossible to say whether or not stop-and-frisk would have a significant impact on the crime rate today if it were still in effect, but we do have statistical evidence that the policy disproportionately targeted minorities.
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This is why kids are homeschooled.
GAY
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Weird
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/27/online-polls-declare-trump-debate-winner-despite-media-consensus-for-clinton.html
They point out that these polls are not controlled and mostly bullshit (not to mention from predominantly right wing sites)
But if also supports how out of touch these political zealots on both sides of the aisle are. I don't think any reasonable person could say Trump out performed Hillary
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Weird
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/27/online-polls-declare-trump-debate-winner-despite-media-consensus-for-clinton.html
They point out that these polls are not controlled and mostly bullshit (not to mention from predominantly right wing sites)
But if also supports how out of touch these political zealots on both sides of the aisle are. I don't think any reasonable person could say Trump out performed Hillary
Even though judging by some of the feelings shared by others around these parts I'm a barely functional retard for supporting Trump, I thought outside of the first half hour last night he did an extremely poor job. As has been mentioned over and over again at this point, he had a chance to completely crush her when she started discussing cyber security and instead dropped an odd line out of left field about how his 10 year old knows SO SO much about computers. And his answer on race relations was freaking cringeworthy though I did enjoy him rightfully calling out the Democrats for pimping a certain vote and then bouncing on them for four years (the same exact thing he's trying to do to evangelicals)
Find it interesting though how everyones playing fact checker yet no one wants to hop on all of Hillarys gaffes. We got through exactly 30 freaking seconds before she harped on the non-existent wage gap. Kind of like how she never called TPP the "gold-standard" of trade deals.
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This is why kids are homeschooled.
GAY
Nah. Kids are homeschooled because their parents are freaking crazy nutters. This is a rare thing in college (made more visible by social media) let alone high school and below.
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Even though judging by some of the feelings shared by others around these parts I'm a barely functional retard for supporting Trump, I thought outside of the first half hour last night he did an extremely poor job. As has been mentioned over and over again at this point, he had a chance to completely crush her when she started discussing cyber security and instead dropped an odd line out of left field about how his 10 year old knows SO SO much about computers. And his answer on race relations was freaking cringeworthy though I did enjoy him rightfully calling out the Democrats for pimping a certain vote and then bouncing on them for four years (the same exact thing he's trying to do to evangelicals)
Find it interesting though how everyones playing fact checker yet no one wants to hop on all of Hillarys gaffes. We got through exactly 30 freaking seconds before she harped on the non-existent wage gap. Kind of like how she never called TPP the "gold-standard" of trade deals.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Though I don't think many people watched the entire debate, and if you care enough to fact check and look at memes and videos post-debate, then chances are your minds have been made up already. Trump already has his following. Clinton needs people to actually get out and vote for her. A lot of people hate Trump, but a lot of people love him too. A lot of people hate Clinton, but there aren't many who are in love with her.
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Even though judging by some of the feelings shared by others around these parts I'm a barely functional retard for supporting Trump
I really wish we could have Hofstadter around during this election. I find it impossible to support either candidate, but I can at least see some merit to Clinton supporters. I don't get how anyone could want an unintelligible buffoon with absolutely zero political acumen to lead this country, but there is this curious idea that because he rambles on incoherently with buzz words and catch phrases that speak to the worst part of our inner frustrations, he's an acceptable choice. People used to want a president who they respected and admired, a president who was better than themselves. Now a large part of this country wants someone who sounds like them and just rants and raves without any semblance of an ability to govern. Retarded is absolutely the best word for it.
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And the wage gap isn't non-existent; it's improperly studied. There's a huge difference. The people who state unequivocally that there's a 22% wage gap are relying on faulty statistical comparisons. However, there's nothing to suggest that a wage gap doesn't exist. It's just a disingenuous and silly thing to harp on using the aforementioned numbers.
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Nah. Kids are homeschooled because their parents are freaking crazy nutters. This is a rare thing in college (made more visible by social media) let alone high school and below.
I was homeschooled through the 4th grade and turned out reasonably well, though I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else.
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http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2016/08/05/gop-anti-intellectualism-trump
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And the wage gap isn't non-existent; it's improperly studied. There's a huge difference. The people who state unequivocally that there's a 22% wage gap are relying on faulty statistical comparisons. However, there's nothing to suggest that a wage gap doesn't exist. It's just a disingenuous and silly thing to harp on using the aforementioned numbers.
100% this. There is evidence that a wage gap exists but it's largely misunderstood and frequently mischaracterized.
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I was homeschooled through the 4th grade and turned out reasonably well, though I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else.
If by reasonably well you mean huge bundle of sticks then sure
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http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2016/08/05/gop-anti-intellectualism-trump
Person who works for establishment politicians that have publicly feuded with Trump doesn't like him. Shocking. As far as blaming the "anti-intellectualism of the GOP" its a classic line that the left has used to absolve themselves of their responsibility in his rise. People are frustrated with government at large. That especially includes Democrats considering they've owned the highest office in the land for the last 8 years, and for the first two of those years had a majority in both the house and senate, and ability to basically set policy unfettered. Republicans certainly shoulder some of the blame, but Democrats are hardly absolved in this. Besides, its not like the GOP didn't actively try and stop Trump during the primaries, apparently they just aren't as good at engineering the desired outcome like the DNC is.
I really wish we could have Hofstadter around during this election. I find it impossible to support either candidate, but I can at least see some merit to Clinton supporters. I don't get how anyone could want an unintelligible buffoon with absolutely zero political acumen to lead this country, but there is this curious idea that because he rambles on incoherently with buzz words and catch phrases that speak to the worst part of our inner frustrations, he's an acceptable choice. People used to want a president who they respected and admired, a president who was better than themselves. Now a large part of this country wants someone who sounds like them and just rants and raves without any semblance of an ability to govern. Retarded is absolutely the best word for it.
Hofstadter? Like Richard Hofstadter? No thanks. The Godfather of the current preferred political discourse in which, "everyone who I disagree with must be a freaking idiot." Not to mention the fact that he was an avowed anti-capitalist.
As far as Hillary, I see absolutely no merit to teaching our kids that being a lying, lawbreaking queynte will somehow work out in the end. She's everything that's reprehensible about politics, and Trump hit the nail on the head yesterday when describing her and her most ardent supporters as these holier then thou frauds. I'm not saying that the case can't be made that Trump can't also be portrayed as a contemptible piece of excrement, but doesn't pretend to be a saint, nor was he a major player in our government when his misdeeds occurred. She was/is.
When it comes to Trump, I think I've already gone through this, but any potential damage that you believe will be caused by a Trump administration is IMHO going to be mitigated by the fact that A. He's walking into an unfavorable Congress (Democrats obviously hate him and so do many rank and file Republicans, not to mention your more libertarian minded Republicans like Amash, Rand, Mike Lee etc.) and B. I truly and honestly believe that he desires the Presidency for ego, and he'll take a break from figure-heading solely to dip his toe into trade and domestic economics while leaving foreign policy to Pence, his Secretary of State, and whatever other power brokers within the Republican party that have kissed his derriere out of self-preservation because holy freak, he actually might win this thing (looking at you Chuck Grassley and Rudy G.) And lets face it. The bar is SO LOW that when it comes to foreign policy that literally doing nothing but picking an advisory team and actually listening to them is a step up from what we've had over Obama's second term as we drone strike hospitals, disrupt ceasefires and further destabilize the Middle East.
Am I wrong for thinking either/or only gets one term? As hard as it is to beat an incumbent, given the unfavorable ratings of both candidates unless over four years they pull a complete 180, how do they beat the next crop of candidates that people might...idk...actually like?
Nah. Kids are homeschooled because their parents are freaking crazy nutters. This is a rare thing in college (made more visible by social media) let alone high school and below.
Honestly this was my attitude for the longest time as well, but at least here on the east coast there's a heroin epidemic, and like most drug problems in schools, the issue only gets worse the more private the school gets. But that excrement is everywhere, and while I'm not a parent and have no experience determining whats best for a child for their development, if/when the time comes to decide where to send my future child to school, while its not a factor for pre-k and grade school, it'll be a consideration by the time they reach middle school.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Though I don't think many people watched the entire debate, and if you care enough to fact check and look at memes and videos post-debate, then chances are your minds have been made up already. Trump already has his following. Clinton needs people to actually get out and vote for her. A lot of people hate Trump, but a lot of people love him too. A lot of people hate Clinton, but there aren't many who are in love with her.
That's it. I don't think she did enough to sway the people she needed to sway. Krauthammer who is most certainly not an ardent Trump supporter (given his conservative background though I'm sure like me he'll hold his nose and vote for Daddy) said the same thing. The people who hated Trump are going to still hate him, vice versa and those who are undecided (how at this point?!) have two more debates to look forward too. Bare in mind she needs to extinguish momentum that is so red hot right now that "safe" Democratic states like PA, Michigan, Colorado, and amazingly enough MINNESOTA are now very much in play. She wanted to spend her last 40 days making gains in Ohio and Florida, not having to vociferously defend her own turf.
To give you an idea of how insignificant the first debate is, by all polling and metrics Romney crushed Obama in the first one. Didn't exactly work out that way in November,
As far as the wage gap, without getting into the details of whether its non-existent or improperly studied (the reason why there is a gap has nothing to do with MUH PATRIARCHY!!!, its nowhere near as profound as the left wants to make it seem, and there's nothing that really can be done about it unless you want to start changing societal norms and gender roles), I'll just leave us all with this freaking doozy from last night as Hills so cuttingly portrayed the Don as a sexist. "This is a man who has said woman don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men." Someone please tell me what is so outrageous about that statement. I love how she meant to use that at a criticism, and anyone who caught the comment went "fuckin right!"
Also, and I may be nitpicking here but the quote about getting ready for a Presidential debate? I love how the left is running with it to show how prepared and what a policy wonk Hillary is. Of course, had Mitt Romney ever said anything like that at a debate four years ago, the VOX headline would be "ROMNEY: DEBATE PREPARATION MORE IMPORTANT THEN VISITING IMPOVERISHED COMMUNITIES."
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^I think Hillary is an easy bet for two terms. It would take some sort of huge scandal to prevent her from getting a second term, and we all know the Clintons are generally squeaky clean.
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If by reasonably well you mean huge bundle of sticks then sure
You say potato...
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MJ's post reads like a nicely wrapped box that only contains two pieces of barber shop gumballs which fell on the floor.
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Nah. Kids are homeschooled because their parents are freaking crazy nutters. This is a rare thing in college (made more visible by social media) let alone high school and below.
I know, but the more we see that excrement on social media, the further it will infect other institutions. I fear the feelings police are winning, slowly.
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^I think Hillary is an easy bet for two terms. It would take some sort of huge scandal to prevent her from getting a second term, and we all know the Clintons are generally squeaky clean.
Hillary will only get elected because she's running against Trump
Only way she gets reelected is if the Republicans are unwilling to nominate someone reasonable
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MJ's post reads like a nicely wrapped box that only contains two pieces of barber shop gumballs which fell on the floor.
This should be the expectation for all of my posts, especially those that are football related.
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Hillary will only get elected because she's running against Trump
Only way she gets reelected is if the Republicans are unwilling to nominate someone reasonable
Given the current state of politics it will be incredibly difficult for any sitting president to not go two terms barring a massive fuckup.
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Given the current state of politics it will be incredibly difficult for any sitting president to not go two terms barring a massive fuckup.
i dont see why
Both candidates have huge negatives
4 years of them will only make it increase
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i dont see why
Both candidates have huge negatives
4 years of them will only make it increase
And? Hasn't stopped them yet.
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i dont see why
Both candidates have huge negatives
4 years of them will only make it increase
Can't predict the future. Unless the economy tanks people will have no real incentive for a change. Bush won easily in 2004 even during a very unpopular war. People had jobs and didn't care much. Only reason Bush Sr lost was because Perot took a lot of votes from him and we were still in a recession, though coming out of it.
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Can't predict the future. Unless the economy tanks people will have no real incentive for a change. Bush won easily in 2004 even during a very unpopular war. People had jobs and didn't care much. Only reason Bush Sr lost was because Perot took a lot of votes from him and we were still in a recession, though coming out of it.
The very unpopular war yielded the "can't change presidents during a war" argument.
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The very unpopular war yielded the "can't change presidents during a war" argument.
Yeah, but it's still mostly the economy. Kerry tried to blame bush for "shipping jobs overseas" or some nonsense but no one outside of college students were buying it.
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Both candidates agreed that cyberwarfare — the growing efforts by Russia, China and others to hack American computer networks — are a top priority for the next president. “It is a huge problem,” Trump affirmed.
His policy, then? “We have to get very, very tough,” he said. “I have a son. He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe it's hardly doable. But I will say we are not doing the job we should be doing.”
Oops, as a previous debater once said. In his answer, Trump took two opposing positions at the same time. “I would certainly not do first strike,” he said — that’s “no first use.” But “I can’t take anything off the table” — that’s the opposite of “no first use.”
But he’s been a de facto nominee for six months. In less than six weeks, he could be president-elect of the United States. He’s had plenty of time to learn. He’s had access to many of his party’s experts, retired military officers and even CIA briefers who might be glad to fill him in on the nuances of world affairs.
Instead, he continues to recycle the bromides he once said he learned by watching “the shows.” He appears to have studied nothing and learned nothing.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-mcmanus-trump-commander-chief-test-20160928-snap-story.html
I just cannot understand why any moderately educated citizen thinks he can be a viable leader of our military and our country.
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http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-mcmanus-trump-commander-chief-test-20160928-snap-story.html
I just cannot understand why any moderately educated citizen thinks he can be a viable leader of our military and our country.
Fool me twice, can't get fooled again.
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Fool me twice, can't get fooled again.
Hahahaha
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Ask Donald Trump if he loves to cyber.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=57&v=DhDrbB_sQ6E&ebc=ANyPxKrQcJMf9mrID90TgfwJ7Dt2PcQwTk5yc0TjCgh89JEp2WOqjca5-_avEC3KapXpbOlg-PyjsOFzN8dSLBzSyVkMCyUqaw
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Whether or not you agree with the effects of Stop and Frisk, Trump was actually right during the debate:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-right-about-stop-and-frisk-1475018152
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Whether or not you agree with the effects of Stop and Frisk, Trump was actually right during the debate:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-right-about-stop-and-frisk-1475018152
You realize that's a link to an op-ed by Rudy Giuliani, right?
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You realize that's a link to an op-ed by Rudy Giuliani, right?
And?
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And?
And here's a link to an article discrediting that op-ed:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/09/28/trumps-false-claim-that-stop-and-frisk-was-not-ruled-unconstitutional/
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And here's a link to an article discrediting that op-ed:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/09/28/trumps-false-claim-that-stop-and-frisk-was-not-ruled-unconstitutional/
The city would've won the appeal had DeBlasio not dropped it. The case was still ongoing.
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The city would've won the appeal had DeBlasio not dropped it. The case was still ongoing.
Maybe, but the point is that the policy was ruled unconstitutional in 2013, so until the ruling is overturned, the policy will continue to be considered unconstitutional.
Your contention is that Trump was right during the debate when he said that the policy wasn't ruled unconstitutional. It was, so your contention is wrong.
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Maybe, but the point is that the policy was ruled unconstitutional in 2013, so until the ruling is overturned, the policy will continue being unconstitutional.
Just semantics then. "It was ruled unconstitutional by some judge" vs "It IS unconstitutional." Unless the Supreme Court declares it unconstitutional then it isn't unconstitutional.
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Just semantics then. "It was ruled unconstitutional by some judge" vs "It IS unconstitutional." Unless the Supreme Court declares it unconstitutional then it isn't unconstitutional.
That's not the way the court system works, Tommy.
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That's not the way the court system works, Tommy.
Nope. You apparently don't know how it works:
"Federal Court System
The judicial branch of government is further broken down into federal district courts, appeals courts and the Supreme Court. There are a total of 94 judicial districts, including at least one in each U.S. state. These courts try both civil and criminal cases. These judicial districts are grouped into 12 regional circuits, each of which is represented by a Court of Appeals. Cases involving the constitutionality of laws generally start in state or federal courts. They may then advance to the Courts of Appeals or the U.S. Supreme Court through the appellate process. Decisions made by the Supreme Court are the ultimate interpretation of the laws of the United States."
A judge in NY declaring Stop and Frisk has no bearing on Illinois deciding to do the same unless the Supreme rules it unconstitutional. Clinton was wrong. For something to be ruled unconstitutional it would have to be ruled by the Supreme Court. It never got up that far, and probably wouldn't have needed to anyway, had DeBlasio not withdrawn the appeal.
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Nope. You apparently don't know how it works:
"Federal Court System
The judicial branch of government is further broken down into federal district courts, appeals courts and the Supreme Court. There are a total of 94 judicial districts, including at least one in each U.S. state. These courts try both civil and criminal cases. These judicial districts are grouped into 12 regional circuits, each of which is represented by a Court of Appeals. Cases involving the constitutionality of laws generally start in state or federal courts. They may then advance to the Courts of Appeals or the U.S. Supreme Court through the appellate process. Decisions made by the Supreme Court are the ultimate interpretation of the laws of the United States."
A judge in NY declaring Stop and Frisk has no bearing on Illinois deciding to do the same unless the Supreme rules it unconstitutional. Clinton was wrong. For something to be ruled unconstitutional it would have to be ruled by the Supreme Court. It never got up that far, and probably wouldn't have needed to anyway, had DeBlasio not withdrawn the appeal.
No one said that the policy was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. What Lester Holt said is that the policy was ruled unconstitutional in New York, which it was.
The policy was ruled unconstitutional in the Southern District of New York, so the policy is illegal within that district.
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No one said that the policy was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. What Lester Holt said is that the policy was ruled unconstitutional in New York, which it was.
The policy was ruled unconstitutional in the Southern District of New York, so the policy is illegal everywhere within that district.
It didn't make it illegal. What don't you understand? The court of appeals allowed it to continue during the appeals process.
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Federal court rulings are not precedental, as you alluded to, but what you're not understanding is that no one has claimed that the decision made by the district judge in New York made the policy unconstitutional on a national level.
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It didn't make it illegal. What don't you understand? The court of appeals allowed it to continue during the appeals process.
Jesus, Tommy. A federal district court's ruling creates binding precedent within the boundaries of that district, meaning that the policy is no longer permissible within that district. The fact that the appellate court allowed the policy to continue to be in effect while the decision was being appealed is irrelevant. The appeal ended without the decision being overturned, so the policy is still illegal in that district.
The point of this ridiculous argument is that the policy was ruled unconstitutional in New York. That is what is in dispute.
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I can see the appeal of stop and frisk on a practical level, but in terms of civil rights it's pretty repugnant. I don't have a problem with it being described as unconstitutional.
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Jesus, Tommy. A federal district court's ruling creates binding precedent within the boundaries of that district, meaning that the policy is no longer permissible within that district. The fact that the appellate court allowed the policy to continue while the decision was being appealed is irrelevant. The appeal ended without the decision being overturned, so the policy is still illegal.
The point of this ridiculous argument is that the policy was ruled unconstitutional in New York. That is what is in dispute.
Trump said that Chicago would be better off if they implemented Stop and Frisk, and Clinton said it was unconstitutional, which is wrong. It may have been declared so by a judge in a particular district but doesn't make it universally so, and there is an appeals process that needs to take place, and has to be covered by the Supreme Court before anyone can say the policy itself is unconstitutional.
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Trump said that Chicago would be better off if they implemented Stop and Frisk, and Clinton said it was unconstitutional, which is wrong. It may have been declared so by a judge in a particular district but doesn't make it universally so, and there is an appeals process that needs to take place, and has to be covered by the Supreme Court before anyone can say the policy itself is unconstitutional.
I'd have to listen to exactly what was said again, but there's nothing wrong with her expressing her view that the policy is unconstitutional. It is, after all, the majority opinion.
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I know for a fact that Lester Holt said that the policy was ruled unconstitutional in New York. Trump disputed this. He was wrong.
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I'd have to listen to exactly what was said again, but she's entitled to express her view that the policy is unconstitutional. It is, after all, the majority opinion.
I agree that it's her view and her right to hold that view, but unless the Supreme Court says it's unconstitutional then it's not.
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I agree that it's her view and her right to hold that view, but unless the Supreme Court says it's unconstitutional then it's not.
You're right. It won't be considered unconstitutional on a federal level until it is adjudicated by the Supreme Court.
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You're right. It won't be considered unconstitutional on a federal level until it is adjudicated by the Supreme Court.
"Holt: Your two minutes expired but I want to follow up. Stop-and-frisk was ruled unconstitutional in New York because it largely singled out black and hispanic —
Trump: No, you're wrong. It went before a judge who was a very against police judge. It was taken away from her and our mayor, our new mayor, refused to go forward with the case. They would have won on appeal. If you look at it throughout the country, there are —"
That's pretty much all that was said on that. Trump was explaining that it was still being appealed. Technically he was wrong in saying that it wasn't ruled unconstitutional in NYC, but again it wasn't the end of the case.
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You got it.
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I'd like to stop Hillary and frisk between her thighs
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I'd like to stop Hillary and frisk between her thighs
You can slide a hand in there and she won't flinch. In fact, you could slide two hands in there.
When she asks you to clap, and you can't, she'll say, "Pretty tight, eh?"
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I'd like to stop Hillary and frisk between her thighs
Give her catheter collection bag a squeeze while you're down there.
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Perfectly normal behavior:
http://ijr.com/2016/09/703773-man-in-trump-hat-is-beaten-and-chased-by-san-diego-protesters-before-finding-safety-with-the-police/
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Were they Mexican?
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Were they Mexican?
San Diego so more than likely. Saw some black folk mixed in there too.
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Gary Johnson... C'mon man.
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How about Obama going out and telling people not to vote for a third party because it won't benefit the person he wants to be president. How's that for hope and change in politics.
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Gary Johnson... C'mon man.
Oof.
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495896880/watch-unable-to-name-a-foreign-leader-gary-johnson-has-another-aleppo-moment
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Aleppo was explainable/forgivable, this is somewhat harder to defend.
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Aleppo was explainable/forgivable, this is somewhat harder to defend.
Even dumber was then to say "I'm having an Aleppo moment", thus immediately a) reminding people of a previous major gaffe that he really wanted them to forget, and b) ensuring that they know it wasn't a one-off and that he genuinely has no idea what's going on beyond US borders.
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Aleppo was explainable/forgivable, this is somewhat harder to defend.
And at best his answer was going to be Vicente Fox. Ouch.
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I'm actually having a tough time answering that question myself. I can't think of any world leader that I can confidently say I admire.
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I'm actually having a tough time answering that question myself. I can't think of any world leader that I can confidently say I admire.
If you're in his situation and you can't think of a present leader, use it as a way to describe the amount of incompetence going on at the global level and then bring someone up from recent history as someone you admire. Anyone. A former President, Mandela, it doesn't matter. As JE said, ANYTHING is better than bringing up a previous gaffe. He's a goof.
How about Obama going out and telling people not to vote for a third party because it won't benefit the person he wants to be president. How's that for hope and change in politics.
Lol hope and change! An eight year blunder that I can't wait to put behind. As much as I despise Clinton, I don't think she'll do as bad a job. I hope not at least.
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Yeah, it's too bad we couldn't accomplish anything of significance during those eight years.
http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchapril-2012/obamas-top-50-accomplishments/
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How about Obama going out and telling people not to vote for a third party because it won't benefit the person he wants to be president. How's that for hope and change in politics.
freak him for saying that. It's not democracy when you're only allowed to choose from a total of 1 candidate.
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Yeah, it's too bad we couldn't accomplish anything of significance during those eight years.
http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchapril-2012/obamas-top-50-accomplishments/
Stopped reading at #1 - Obamacare
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Who cares about Johnson not having another guy he admirers.
I mean are there lots of libertarian counties around the world? I have to imagine not. Hell are there any?
If the libertarian party is about less government, what's he gonna do go out and say I like how little this guy does?
Sure he didn't answer the question well, but compared to the two monsters we got it's hard for me to care
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Yeah, it's too bad we couldn't accomplish anything of significance during those eight years.
http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchapril-2012/obamas-top-50-accomplishments/
Any website that gives me shitty obnoxious pop-ups like that one did, probably has shitty moron writers whose opinions aren't worth listening to either.
Website was so annoying didn't even bother attempting to read it
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Obama is the leader of the Democratic party. What exactly is he supposed to say?
"Gee y'all, go ahead an' vote for whoevs. Don't worry about the risk of erasing the last 8 years I worked for!"
Whether you agree with what he's done or not, he's worked on behalf of the party he represents, and who is currently putting forth Clinton as the candidate. For him to say anything except vote for her would be asinine.
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I'm writing in my vote for Dwyane Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho
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I'm writing in my vote for Dwyane Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho
Aka Trump
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Obama is the leader of the Democratic party. What exactly is he supposed to say?
"Gee y'all, go ahead an' vote for whoevs. Don't worry about the risk of erasing the last 8 years I worked for!"
Whether you agree with what he's done or not, he's worked on behalf of the party he represents, and who is currently putting forth Clinton as the candidate. For him to say anything except vote for her would be asinine.
This is why I've been saying for as long as I can remember that the 2 party system is a sham. You get forced into voting for some poopchute you barely like over some poopchute that you don't like.
What was obama saying about Hillary 8 years ago? Yeah, his opinion isn't worth excrement.
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This is why I've been saying for as long as I can remember that the 2 party system is a sham. You get forced into voting for some poopchute you barely like over some poopchute that you don't like.
What was obama saying about Hillary 8 years ago? Yeah, his opinion isn't worth excrement.
I'm a big supporter of a viable 3rd party myself.
That said, it's Obama's responsibility as leader of the party to do all he can to promote his party's candidate. As for his opinion not being worth excrement, he's the President of the United States. If you don't particularly like him or Hillary, sure, their opinions and speeches mean nothing. In that case though, you weren't going to vote for Hillary in the first place anyway, so neither of them is speaking to you. His voice carries a bit of weight to others though.
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If you're in his situation and you can't think of a present leader, use it as a way to describe the amount of incompetence going on at the global level and then bring someone up from recent history as someone you admire. Anyone. A former President, Mandela, it doesn't matter. As JE said, ANYTHING is better than bringing up a previous gaffe. He's a goof.
Lol hope and change! An eight year blunder that I can't wait to put behind. As much as I despise Clinton, I don't think she'll do as bad a job. I hope not at least.
I didn't vote for Obama in 08 or 12 but I'd take his third term over Clinton or Trump.
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Stopped reading at #1 - Obamacare
There are a lot of "accomplishments" on here that have currently turned into absolute excrement.
Stem Cell research should be #1.
That list was done by a DCM liberal.
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Obama is the leader of the Democratic party. What exactly is he supposed to say?
"Gee y'all, go ahead an' vote for whoevs. Don't worry about the risk of erasing the last 8 years I worked for!"
Whether you agree with what he's done or not, he's worked on behalf of the party he represents, and who is currently putting forth Clinton as the candidate. For him to say anything except vote for her would be asinine.
I fully expected him to endorse Clinton, but actively campaigning and telling us how awful it would be if she doesn't become president is what I have a problem with. I dot remember Bush doing that in 2008, and even Clinton kept his distance a bit during 2000. It's poor form for a President to get that involved.
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There are a lot of "accomplishments" on here that have currently turned into absolute excrement.
Stem Cell research should be #1.
That list was done by a DCM liberal.
Gotta agree with the stem cell thing
I think Bush being a fierce opponent and vetoing the expansion of stem cells may have been the worst thing he did as President. Even more so than the Iraq war
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I fully expected him to endorse Clinton, but actively campaigning and telling us how awful it would be if she doesn't become president is what I have a problem with. I dot remember Bush doing that in 2008, and even Clinton kept his distance a bit during 2000. It's poor form for a President to get that involved.
That was during the height of the Tea Party and amidst really low approval ratings for Bush. It wasn't a matter of 'form,' it was a matter of strategy.
Gore actively ran away from Clinton in 2000 as well.
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I fully expected him to endorse Clinton, but actively campaigning and telling us how awful it would be if she doesn't become president is what I have a problem with. I dot remember Bush doing that in 2008, and even Clinton kept his distance a bit during 2000. It's poor form for a President to get that involved.
I mean Obama probably had a back door deal with Clinton after he had originally battled her in the primaries. She could have made his life much more difficult. Is it really hard to imagine Hillary working out something behind the scenes?
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I fully expected him to endorse Clinton, but actively campaigning and telling us how awful it would be if she doesn't become president is what I have a problem with. I dot remember Bush doing that in 2008, and even Clinton kept his distance a bit during 2000. It's poor form for a President to get that involved.
Bush association was a negative in 2008. Keeping his distance was a strategic move.
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Bush association was a negative in 2008. Keeping his distance was a strategic move.
Definitely this, his name was poison.
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I mean Obama probably had a back door deal with Clinton after he had originally battled her in the primaries. She could have made his life much more difficult. Is it really hard to imagine Hillary working out something behind the scenes?
He promised her Sec. of State which he delivered. That was her stepping stone to the White House. There's no question they've worked together for almost a decade for this.
I don't think there's half the animosity between them that's been pictured by the media either.
Bush association was a negative in 2008. Keeping his distance was a strategic move.
But still.
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I don't think there's half the animosity between them that's been pictured by the media either.
They hate each other. Leaked emails proved that.
The Obama's aren't cunts like the Clintons.
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Donald J. TrumpVerified account
@realDonaldTrump
For those few people knocking me for tweeting at three o'clock in the morning, at least you know I will be there, awake, to answer the call!
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Yes, going on an angry Twitter tirade at three o'clock in the morning is exactly the kind of behavior a presidential candidate should be exhibiting.
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Yes, going on an angry Twitter tirade at three o'clock in the morning is exactly the kind of behavior a presidential candidate should be exhibiting.
What do the times of the tweet have to do with anything?
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They hate each other. Leaked emails proved that.
The Obama's aren't cunts like the Clintons.
Yeah, Obama used similar lines against Clinton as Trump:
Obama: "I’m Barack Obama, running for president and I approve this message."
Announcer: "It’s what’s wrong with politics today. Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected. Now she’s making false attacks on Barack Obama.
"The Washington Post says Clinton isn’t telling the truth. Obama 'did not say that he liked the ideas of Republicans.' In fact, Obama’s led the fight to raise the minimum wage, close corporate tax loopholes and cut taxes for the middle class.
"But it was Hillary Clinton, in an interview with Tom Brokaw, who quote 'paid tribute' to Ronald Reagan’s economic and foreign policy. She championed NAFTA — even though it has cost South Carolina thousands of jobs. And worst of all, it was Hillary Clinton who voted for George Bush’s war in Iraq.
"Hillary Clinton. She’ll say anything, and change nothing. It’s time to turn the page. Paid for by Obama for America."
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What do the times of the tweet have to do with anything?
Alright, ignoring the timing of Trump's barrage of tweets aimed at defaming a former Miss Universe with conspiracy theories revolving around her path to citizenship or allegations of her being featured in a sex tape, do you honestly believe that that is appropriate behavior for a presidential candidate? Or, better yet, since this is Trump that we're talking about, is that really the best way for him to be spending his time right now?
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Speak for yourself I want a top-tier excrement poster as President
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Did Crooked Hillary help disgusting (check out sex tape and past) Alicia M become a U.S. citizen so she could use her in the debate?
I'm getting really tired of people trying to defend this poopchute.
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Alright, ignoring the timing of Trump's barrage of tweets aimed at defaming a former Miss Universe with conspiracy theories revolving around her path to citizenship or allegations of her being featured in a sex tape, do you honestly believe that that is appropriate behavior for a presidential candidate? Or, better yet, since this is Trump that we're talking about, is that really the best way for him to be spending his time right now?
Hillary is the one parading her around like she's some sort of heroine.
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Hillary is the one parading her around like she's some sort of heroine.
You're hopeless.
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It's great that both major candidates are awful in their own way, really makes you feel proud to be American
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I'm getting really tired of people trying to defend this poopchute.
In fairness I never thought I'd see "No fat chicks" be part of an actual Presidential campaign.
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Speak for yourself I want a top-tier excrement poster as President
To bad MB's not a natural-born US citizen.
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To bad MB's not a natural-born US citizen.
You scumbags couldnt afford me anyway.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?_r=0
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"That makes me smart."
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"That makes me smart."
Are you saying he should pay more than he was legally required to?
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Are you saying he should pay more than he was legally required to?
I'm not saying anything. $916 million in reported losses in one year speaks for itself.
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I'm not saying anything. $916 million in reported losses in one year speaks for itself.
And what exactly does that say to you?
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I'm not saying anything. $916 million in reported losses in one year speaks for itself.
No it doesn't
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And what exactly does that say to you?
That he's not the businessman that he purports himself to be and that he could have used those losses to avoid paying income taxes for many years.
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That he's not the businessman that he purports himself to be and that he could have used those losses to avoid paying income taxes for many years.
Are you saying good businessmen never lose money ?
Because I think one could make the argument that only a bad businessman never lost money
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He lost nearly a billion dollars in one year. It's highly doubtful that those were his personal losses. He probably declared that so that he could avoid paying income taxes.
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Are you saying good businessmen never lose money ?
This is an incredibly stupid question and doesn't deserve to be dignified with an answer.
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He probably declared that so that he could avoid paying income taxes.
Next time I do my taxes I'm going to declare that I made zero income so they give me back all the taxes I paid.
Since you're such an expert, do I have to physically walk into the IRS building and shout loudly "I declare...!"?
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I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY
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Are you saying he should pay more than he was legally required to?
You don't get to preach about how you're a friend of the taxpaying schmo when you don't actually pay any taxes.
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You don't get to preach about how you're a friend of the taxpaying schmo when you don't actually pay any taxes.
There's zero chance he came away with paying zero taxes. That's just not possible. Maybe he was able to avoid federal income tax on his wages, but he absolutely paid property and capital gains investment taxes. There's no way around those.
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Next time I do my taxes I'm going to declare that I made zero income so they give me back all the taxes I paid.
Since you're such an expert, do I have to physically walk into the IRS building and shout loudly "I declare...!"?
I'm not claiming to be an expert. My only claim is that he probably used his company's massive losses to avoid paying his own income taxes.
It's actually a pretty common tactic among billionaires.
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There's zero chance he came away with paying zero taxes. That's just not possible. Maybe he was able to avoid federal income tax on his wages, but he absolutely paid property and capital gains investment taxes. There's no way around those.
I don't think anyone is claiming that he hasn't paid any taxes. The claim is that he's avoided paying any federal income taxes for a long time.
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https://youtu.be/-nQGBZQrtT0
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This is an incredibly stupid question and doesn't deserve to be dignified with an answer.
It's a pretty reasonable statement by him. You're just acting cunty about it.
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It's a pretty reasonable statement by him. You're just acting cunty about it.
Asking me if I believe that good businessmen never lose money? Really? It's a pretty substantial leap from 'never losing money' to 'losing a billion dollars in one year.'
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This thread is AIDS
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This election is AIDS.
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Asking me if I believe that good businessmen never lose money? Really? It's a pretty substantial leap from 'never losing money' to 'losing a billion dollars in one year.'
There are countless successful businessmen who have had failed ventures. Part of the reason they achieve that success is because they're willing to take risks.
I don't know if Trump is a good "businessman" as a whole but he certainly had the resources and connections to excel in real estate development. I don't think that knowledge extends beyond real estate, and the things I mentioned are a huge reason for his success, but to wag your finger at a particular failed venture is a weak position to take.
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There are countless successful businessmen who have had failed ventures. Part of the reason they achieve that success is because they're willing to take risks.
I don't know if Trump is a good "businessman" as a whole but he certainly had the resources and connections to excel in real estate development. I don't think that knowledge extends beyond real estate, and the things I mentioned are a huge reason for his success, but to wag your finger at a particular failed venture is a weak position to take.
I'm not disputing that many successful businessmen have suffered failures, but for Trump it's a lot more than that.
He's left an endless trail of failed businesses, dissatisfied customers, and ripped off employees and contractors in his wake.
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I'm not claiming to be an expert. My only claim is that he probably used his company's massive losses to avoid paying his own income taxes.
It's actually a pretty common tactic among billionaires.
By bringing up his tax return from 20 years ago and claiming it to be damaging and prof that he "paid no taxes" you were absolutely claiming to be an expert. A more reasonable and accurate response from you would be "Hey I know dick about corporate and personal tax code, but people are telling me this is damaging so I'm just going to ride the wave because I hate Trump."
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I'm not disputing that many successful businessmen have suffered failures, but for Trump it's a lot more than that.
He's left an endless trail of failed businesses, dissatisfied customers, and ripped off employees and contractors in his wake.
"Endless trail". You do realize that Trump has been involved in hundreds of business ventures of his entire career right? Do you honestly think he manages the day to day operations of every single project?
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By bringing up his tax return from 20 years ago and claiming it to be damaging and prof that he "paid no taxes" you were absolutely claiming to be an expert. A more reasonable and accurate response from you would be "Hey I know dick about corporate and personal tax code, but people are telling me this is damaging so I'm just going to ride the wave because I hate Trump."
I wasn't the one that initially brought up Trump's tax returns and I didn't claim that it was proof of anything. I didn't even claim that it was necessarily damaging, though I did point out how it's suggestive as hell. I'm not sure how anything that I've said thus far can be construed as me claiming to be an expert. I'm not one nor have I ever claimed to be one. I just read what the experts have to say.
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"Endless trail". You do realize that Trump has been involved in hundreds of business ventures of his entire career right? Do you honestly think he manages the day to day operations of every single project?
Is that really any sort of excuse? Lawsuits and bankruptcies have been endemic to Trump's businesses for decades.
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Accusing someone of claiming to be an expert rather than actually providing any counterfactual evidence is a pretty clear sign that your argument is weak.
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Big losses only help the super wealthy with Capital gains, otherwise you can only use 3000 against ordinary income. So if Trump has all his income in a given year as Capital Gains, then it would really benefit him. I would imagine as a real estate mogul that he's used up that loss years ago.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-campaign-events-canceled
I feel like they're missing an opportunity here. There's a good spin to this, which is that strong government requires a healthy blend of idealism and pragmatism. Not sure that running away from Sanders' camp is particularly helpful for her.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2mrZuCWWM0
http://www.newsweek.com/how-donald-trump-ditched-us-steel-workers-china-505717
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I love when people use the "but the other one is shittier" argument to justify a major party candidate. The average American voter is a retarded sheep.
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Facebook is an annoying cesspool with all that excrement, I really hate that place right now.
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lololololol
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Ooof
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Gotta love Dan Blizerian.
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Gotta love Dan Blizerian.
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That girl is... good looking
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Gotta love Dan Blizerian.
It stands to reason that you would.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwPFvrgzLnE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwPFvrgzLnE
I nearly forgot how awful that movie was. Thanks, Tim Burton.
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I nearly forgot how awful that movie was. Thanks, Tim Burton.
I know we've had this conversation on here before, but you're still completely wrong (may not have been you making the argument, but I'm happy to have it again). It changed superhero movies completely, it might not have aged well but at the time it was a groundbreaking film. I was 16 when it hit the theatres and I'd never seen anything like it. It was dark and sexy and twisted and edgy, everything Batman had never been on film.
In short, you're wrong.
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I know we've had this conversation on here before, but you're still completely wrong (may not have been you making the argument, but I'm happy to have it again). It changed superhero movies completely, it might not have aged well but at the time it was a groundbreaking film. I was 16 when it hit the theatres and I'd never seen anything like it. It was dark and sexy and twisted and edgy, everything Batman had never been on film.
In short, you're wrong.
Agreed 100%.
In hindsight people can be snooty and stick your nose up at it because of what Christopher Nolan did with the franchise but that was a different time and a movie with that brand of darkness would have never went well in the late 80s early 90s. It was a great product of its time that maybe doesn't hold up quite as well, but in filmmaking it was getting to an interesting place in terms of being able to use special effects.
Also Batman's Return was an excellent film and definitely the best of that series.
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It stands to reason that you would.
I'm sure you'd trade your left nut to live like him for a week.
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I nearly forgot how awful that movie was. Thanks, Tim Burton.
Agree 100%
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I'm sure you'd trade your left nut to live like him for a week.
I would like to be him for a day so I could kill myself and spare the world any more of this pathetic manchild fantasy.
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I know we've had this conversation on here before, but you're still completely wrong (may not have been you making the argument, but I'm happy to have it again). It changed superhero movies completely, it might not have aged well but at the time it was a groundbreaking film. I was 16 when it hit the theatres and I'd never seen anything like it. It was dark and sexy and twisted and edgy, everything Batman had never been on film.
In short, you're wrong.
I've never had this conversation with you. I didn't realize it was such a sensitive subject.
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It's pretty hard for me to remove this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ULSvR6hhyI) from my mind whenever I think of that movie.
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The Tim Burton batman movies were awesome
Completely set the stage for everything the franchise has become
If it wasn't for him batman would probably be like the old TV shows where every time he hits somebody it gives you those stupid comic book caption bubble letters
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The Tim Burton batman movies were awesome
Completely set the stage for everything the franchise has become
If it wasn't for him batman would probably be like the old TV shows where every time he hits somebody it gives you those stupid comic book caption bubble letters
Yeah he made Batman cool again.
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It's pretty hard for me to remove this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ULSvR6hhyI) from my mind whenever I think of that movie.
"dark and sexy and twisted and edgy"
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The Tim Burton batman movies were awesome
Completely set the stage for everything the franchise has become
If it wasn't for him batman would probably be like the old TV shows where every time he hits somebody it gives you those stupid comic book caption bubble letters
Haha.
Thia is actually spot on.
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It's pretty hard for me to remove this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ULSvR6hhyI) from my mind whenever I think of that movie.
It should be, because that scene is awesome.
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"dark and sexy and twisted and edgy"
#Trump2016
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I try not to political but why is this debate 3v1? I thought the first debate was excrement, this one is worse. They're actually managing to make Trump look sympathetic.
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I try not to political but why is this debate 3v1? I thought the first debate was excrement, this one is worse. They're actually managing to make Trump look sympathetic.
Sympathetic to whom?
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Sympathetic to whom?
Are you watching this? They're dry humping Clinton and yelling at Trump. I hate both these candidates, ain't voting for either, but this is a debate?
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Are you watching this? They're dry humping Clinton and yelling at Trump. I hate both these candidates, ain't voting for either, but this is a debate?
He's refusing to answer the questions that are asked. Do you expect the moderators to just let him run off on wild tangents?
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He's refusing to answer the questions that are asked. Do you expect the moderators to just let him run off on wild tangents?
Politics are an embarrassment to this country at this point. The moderators are garbage and both of them are garbage. You think Clinton answers these questions? At least they let her go on. The second he goes over, they're shutting him up.
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They've interrupted Trump more, but Trump never answers any questions. Hillary isn't perfect by any means, but she's been better in that regard. Trump also interrupts Hillary during every single question, so it's hard to have sympathy for him (among a million other reasons).
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They've interrupted Trump more, but Trump never answers any questions. Hillary isn't perfect by any means, but she's been better in that regard. Trump also interrupts Hillary during every single question, so it's hard to have sympathy for him (among a million other reasons).
I already shut it off. The state of our politics is in shambles.
I just can't believe what I learned in school, history I've rewatched on tv and the political excrement I grew up with that this is the state of things in this country now.
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CNN clocked the speaking time. Trump had 40:10, Clinton 39:05.
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CNN clocked the speaking time. Trump had 40:10, Clinton 39:05.
That's 1:19:15 too much for either of them.
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http://deadspin.com/curt-schilling-makes-a-solid-point-1787605732
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http://deadspin.com/curt-schilling-makes-a-solid-point-1787605732
lolololololol
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3990
From March:
"Beyond this Hillary should stop attacking Bernie, especially when she says things that are untrue, which candidly she often does. I am one of the people with credibility to suggest Bernie people support her in November, and she and Benenson and others have no idea of the damage she does to herself with these attacks, which she does not gain by making.
Instead the smart move would be to look for issues where she can dovetail with Bernie. One I am definitely going to suggest would be to take his proposal for a free public college education paid for by a transaction tax on Wall Street speculation and add one new dimension....that to receive this benefit young people should devote one year to some form of community or public service.... There is no reason Hillary cannot not support this....
Right now I am petrified that Hillary is almost totally dependent on Republicans nominating Trump....she has huge endemic political weaknesses that she would be wise to rectify.....even a clown like Ted Cruz would be an even money bet to beat and this scares the hell of out me....."
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Not that it should come as a surprise to anybody
But it sounds virtually impossible for Trump to win this election
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-polling-clinton-229576
Essentially it would take a catastrophic scandal/implosion on the part of Hillary.
No candidate has ever come back from a deficit greater than 4 points in October. Trump is currently down by 14
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Not that it should come as a surprise to anybody
But it sounds virtually impossible for Trump to win this election
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-polling-clinton-229576
Essentially it would take a catastrophic scandal/implosion on the part of Hillary.
No candidate has ever come back from a deficit greater than 4 points in October. Trump is currently down by 14
In the interests of fairness and balance, that's the most extreme of the polls out there. fivethirtyeight's view (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-polls-show-potential-fallout-from-trump-tape/?ex_cid=2016-forecast) agrees that he's in a pretty poor position, but it's not done yet. People still need to go out and vote for Not Trump.
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He never had a chance. Against such an awful candidate like Hillary, that's really saying something
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He never had a chance. Against such an awful candidate like Hillary, that's really saying something
Total Truf
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It's incredible. Without Trump it would have been virtually impossible for Democrats to take complete control of congress this election. Now it's a distinct possibility.
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Trump is gonna win the election
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Trump is gonna win the election
I think so too.
She can't seem to put the nail in his coffin. It's as if she doesn't know how. Any other democratic candidate and they win by 80% of the vote. She's useless.
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Trump is gonna win the election
I wonder what he's saving for the final debate. If he's as good with negotiations as he says he is, then he's definitely holding out until the last minute.
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I can't believe there is any one on the face of this freaking earth that is stupid enough to believe that blowhard is even close to as good at anything as he says he is. Jesus
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I can't believe there is any one on the face of this freaking earth that is stupid enough to believe that blowhard is even close to as good at anything as he says he is. Jesus
He has the best words
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I wonder what he's saving for the final debate. If he's as good with negotiations as he says he is, then he's definitely holding out until the last minute.
Provoke Hillary into a seizure on national television
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I can't imagine how someone could even think Trump is going to win
Outside of scattered polls within the margin of error Trump has never even had a lead
Barring a huge scandal (or like someone kiddingly mentioned major health scared) it's going to be an annihilation.
The only thing I'll give Trump credit on is he seems to know more about the economy than Hillary.
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I wonder what he's saving for the final debate. If he's as good with negotiations as he says he is, then he's definitely holding out until the last minute.
He's gonna show several polls from conservative websites showing him with a slight lead in a few swing states.
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He's gonna show several polls from conservative websites showing him with a slight lead in a few swing states.
He's going to go off the hinges, that's what is gonna happen.
The more trouble he's in, the more desperate he's going to get. We saw the difference from the first and second debate.
I expect him to sling so much mud and it to be an absolute excrement show
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Only way Trump wins is if the voter turnout is wacky. Trump supporters would have to vote in droves, while Hillary supporters would have to stay home. Probably 80-20 that Hillary wins.
The biggest question is what damaging material to both sides is released between now and the election?
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I sincerely believe a more likeable candidate like Rubio or Kasich would be in control of this race. Which is either sad or a dodged bullet depending which side you're on.
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Only way Trump wins is if the voter turnout is wacky. Trump supporters would have to vote in droves, while Hillary supporters would have to stay home. Probably 80-20 that Hillary wins.
The biggest question is what damaging material to both sides is released between now and the election?
Prediction: Trump said some more inappropriate things, Hillary did some other shady things, and none of their diehards care.
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Prediction: Trump said some more inappropriate things, Hillary did some other shady things, and none of their diehards care.
I don't know about the Hillary diehards but Trump's Tommy's just like him more when bad excrement comes out about him.
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I don't know about the Hillary diehards but Trump's Tommy's just like him more when bad excrement comes out about him.
Are you actually saying that there isn't a vocal pocket of her supporters that will rationalize anything? Literally anything.
As someone thats voting Trump as much as I think the comments are disgusting I'm also not going to sit on my high horse like so many have decided to do and say I've never ever ever spoken in such a crass manner in a private conversation in my entire life. What I DO have no time for is intimidating rape victims into keeping their mouths shut.
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Are you actually saying that there isn't a vocal pocket of her supporters that will rationalize anything? Literally anything.
As someone thats voting Trump as much as I think the comments are disgusting I'm also not going to sit on my high horse like so many have decided to do and say I've never ever ever spoken in such a crass manner in a private conversation in my entire life. What I DO have no time for is intimidating rape victims into keeping their mouths shut.
I was actually saying I don't know but rant on.
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What I DO have no time for is intimidating rape victims into keeping their mouths shut.
But trotting those alleged victims out on national television in an attempt to humiliate your opponent, who happens to be a woman, is condonable.
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He's going to go off the hinges, that's what is gonna happen.
The more trouble he's in, the more desperate he's going to get. We saw the difference from the first and second debate.
I expect him to sling so much mud and it to be an absolute excrement show
I think there is a silent majority of people who will vote Trump on election day. I have no basis or source, just gut feeling based on campaign rally sizes, driving around and seeing 80/20 split of Trump vs Hillary campaign signage, and public perception/social media.
My guess is that Trump has such a bad image (anyone that votes for him is a retard, bigot, deplorable, etc) causing people to not be vocal about his support.
To be fair I haven't seen the second debate so I'm not sure how that swung the vote
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To be fair I haven't seen the second debate so I'm not sure how that swung the vote
Trump gave Hillary a mushroom stamp. The crowd went wild
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But trotting those alleged victims out on national television in an attempt to humiliate your opponent, who happens to be a woman, is condonable.
I love how rape victims lose the right to confront their accuser only when said accusers spouse is debating for the highest office in the land. Completely absurd.
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I love how rape victims lose the right to confront their accuser only when said accusers spouse is debating for the highest office in the land. Completely absurd.
Do you honestly believe that Trump gives a damn about giving rape victims the opportunity to face the accused?
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Do you honestly believe that Trump gives a damn about giving rape victims the opportunity to face their accuser?
Regardless of motive it doesn't discredit the fact that they're.. you know.. rape victims.
"Sorry ma'am your rape is invalidated because it helps Trump's public image"
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I love how rape victims lose the right to confront their accuser only when said accusers spouse is debating for the highest office in the land. Completely absurd.
Rape victims have the right to confront the accused, by the way. Not their accuser. No one's accused of being a rape victim.
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Regardless of motive it doesn't discredit the fact that they're.. you know.. rape victims.
"Sorry ma'am your rape is invalidated because it helps Trump's public image"
You're right that it doesn't diminish the fact that these women were allegedly raped, but motive certainly does matter in the context of a presidential debate. Trump brought these women out on national television in an attempt to deflect attention away from the appalling video that featured him bragging about committing sexual assault and to publicly shame his opponent. He doesn't give a damn about obtaining justice for these women and that simply should not be ignored.
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You're right that it doesn't diminish the fact that these women were allegedly raped, but motive certainly does matter in the context of a presidential debate. Trump brought these women out on national television in an attempt to deflect attention away from the appalling video that featured him bragging about committing sexual assault and to publicly shame his opponent. He doesn't give a damn about obtaining justice for these women and that simply should not be ignored.
If it helped those women cope with what happened to them, or helps them gain any measure of a sense of justice since our system won't do it for them, I really don't give a excrement about Trumps motives. Your perception is that he's using them. If you don't want douchebag billionaires to use sexual assault victims because it happens to create a situation for his benefit, perhaps the other nominee shouldn't have intimidated and bullied them into shutting up to benefit her and her husbands political careers because her husband happens to be the rapist.
That appalling video was released as a deflection tactic because more information was released by wikileaks earlier that week which had transcripts of Hillarys 250k a pop speeches. This whole election has been one deflection tactic after another because one candidate is woefully incapable of discussing the issues, and the other has built her career on a record that sucks.
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But trotting those alleged victims out on national television in an attempt to humiliate your opponent, who happens to be a woman, is condonable.
The only thing I will say in Trumps defense about this
Is these women all believe they were raped. The Clinton's being power houses swept this whole thing under the carpet. I'd imagine MOST Americans don't know that Bill Clinton is allegedly a serial rapist. I certainly never knew about this (im 30) as I was probably too young.
These women want their stories to be told and they want justice. What better way for them to get their story out there than to be trotted out in one of the most watched presidential debates in television history.
Trump is absolutely positively 100% using them to his own benefit.
But these women are also getting what they want as well. Which is to tell their story to the world, and to get revenge on the Clinton's who ruined their lives
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Not to mention the entire DNC was Hillary Clinton trotting out people that had nothing to do with anything.
Oh look here's some random Muslim man whose son died overseas. Let me let him tell the world how evil Trump is
Oh look here's a 12 year old illegal immigrant, let me have her tell the world how evil Trump is.
Oh look here's a bunch of mothers of scumbag thugs who got killed by the cops.
At least the people Trump trotted out lives were directly ruined by the Clinton's
The people Hillary and the DNC has were just random freaking people playing the victim and race cards
So lets not be a huge freaking hypocrite about what Trump did when what Hillary did was far worse and exploiting
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I think there is a silent majority of people who will vote Trump on election day. I have no basis or source, just gut feeling based on campaign rally sizes, driving around and seeing 80/20 split of Trump vs Hillary campaign signage, and public perception/social media.
My guess is that Trump has such a bad image (anyone that votes for him is a retard, bigot, deplorable, etc) causing people to not be vocal about his support.
To be fair I haven't seen the second debate so I'm not sure how that swung the vote
I have the opposite perception. I have heard a lot of people enthusiastically endorse Trump and don't really know anyone who is very enthusiastic about Hillary. Outside of NYC it's a very conservative state, though.
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What I've noticed, largely because I follow a ridiculous number of people from so many walks of life on social media, is that this election is going to closer than anyone knows. Both sides overwhelmingly believe their candidate is far superior and the other is just Satan incarnate and that their candidate can't lose.
It's all going to come down to which one inspires more people from the other side to go out and vote for their opponent.
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Not to mention the entire DNC was Hillary Clinton trotting out people that had nothing to do with anything.
Oh look here's some random Muslim man whose son died overseas. Let me let him tell the world how evil Trump is
Oh look here's a 12 year old illegal immigrant, let me have her tell the world how evil Trump is.
Oh look here's a bunch of mothers of scumbag thugs who got killed by the cops.
At least the people Trump trotted out lives were directly ruined by the Clinton's
The people Hillary and the DNC has were just random freaking people playing the victim and race cards
So lets not be a huge freaking hypocrite about what Trump did when what Hillary did was far worse and exploiting
The girl wasn't an illegal immigrant, her mother is. I didn't get Hillary's message there. Does she want an open border policy? Yeah, sure, there are illegal immigrants who are good people, but the law is the law. That was just stupid.
I also don't get how you can admit to coming into the country illegally on national TV and not have anything happen to you.
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If Trump had a legitimate chance of winning this election, members of his party wouldn't be abandoning him in droves.
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People who believe that Trump will win because of a "silent majority" don't understand the electoral college.
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If Trump had a legitimate chance of winning this election, members of his party wouldn't be abandoning him in droves.
Ehh
I don't think Trump has a legitimate chance of winning
But I also think people are abandoning him because his negatives are so high that supporting him would increase the chance of these candidates losing
He's toxic and people don't want to be associated with him
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But trotting those alleged victims out on national television in an attempt to humiliate your opponent, who happens to be a woman, is condonable.
At least Trump got their consent.
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I have no basis or source, just gut feeling based on campaign rally sizes, driving around and seeing 80/20 split of Bernie vs Hillary campaign signage, and public perception/social media.
Rewind to 8 months ago
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What helped Trump win in the primary is now killing any chance he ever had of winning in the general.
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What helped Trump win in the primary is now killing any chance he ever had of winning in the general.
I don't think you're right. His supporters have only become more entrenched while his detractors have pulled further away. I'm seeing both sides of the fence emphatically insist that the other side is collapsing more every day and has no chance.
Again, this entire election is going to come down to which side has more people come out to prevent the other side from winning.
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Rewind to 8 months ago
Few differences: same party, superdelegates, clintons run DNC
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He's attracting people who would never otherwise vote. Not sure it'll be enough but it was enough for the primaries.
One of my cousins finally got his citizenship last month just so he can vote for Trump.
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I am sorry that's about the single worst reason I have ever seen to get your citizenship, to vote for Trump? You can't possibly be serious.
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I am sorry that's about the single worst reason I have ever seen to get your citizenship, to vote for Trump? You can't possibly be serious.
I think he meant he got his citizenship in case Trump got elected, so he couldn't deport his derriere.
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I think he meant he got his citizenship in case Trump got elected, so he couldn't deport his derriere.
Hahah that could be.
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Are you actually saying that there isn't a vocal pocket of her supporters that will rationalize anything? Literally anything.
As someone thats voting Trump as much as I think the comments are disgusting I'm also not going to sit on my high horse like so many have decided to do and say I've never ever ever spoken in such a crass manner in a private conversation in my entire life. What I DO have no time for is intimidating rape victims into keeping their mouths shut.
Something that is totally missed in the rediculous locker room banter defense bullshit...
Trump didnt make these comments and do the things he said he did when he was a nobody in his teens or twenties. He was almost 60 and one of the most famous peple on earth when he made those comments.
Oh, and now Bill is a rapist? Thats priceless. Trump makes Bill look like a choir boy FFS. And Bill is not running for president.
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I hate Trump as much as anyone. That said, I have been in quite a few locker rooms and some of the excrement said is pretty fucked up.
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Something that is totally missed in the rediculous locker room banter defense bullshit...
Trump didnt make these comments and do the things he said he did when he was a nobody in his teens or twenties. He was almost 60 and one of the most famous peple on earth when he made those comments.
Oh, and now Bill is a rapist? Thats priceless. Trump makes Bill look like a choir boy FFS. And Bill is not running for president.
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It's perfectly normal behavior for billionaires in their 60s/70s
http://deadspin.com/5925018/heres-patriots-owner-bob-kraft-helping-his-girlfriend-with-some-kind-of-weird-audition
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It's perfectly normal behavior for billionaires in their 60s/70s
http://deadspin.com/5925018/heres-patriots-owner-bob-kraft-helping-his-girlfriend-with-some-kind-of-weird-audition
Don't forget Jerry Jones.
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or Donald Sterling
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-campaign-pulls-virginia-reallocates-resources-competitive-battleground/story?id=42772071
According to the latest fivethirtyeight polling analysis, Alaska, Arizona and Georgia are now in play.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-campaign-pulls-virginia-reallocates-resources-competitive-battleground/story?id=42772071
According to the latest fivethirtyeight polling analysis, Alaska, Arizona and Georgia are now in play.
Nate Silver is a cuck
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Nate Silver is a cuck
You forgot the echo
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-campaign-pulls-virginia-reallocates-resources-competitive-battleground/story?id=42772071
According to the latest fivethirtyeight polling analysis, Alaska, Arizona and Georgia are now in play.
Utah has supposedly become a toss-up state.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-campaign-pulls-virginia-reallocates-resources-competitive-battleground/story?id=42772071
According to the latest fivethirtyeight polling analysis, Alaska, Arizona and Georgia are now in play.
But the silent majority doe
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But the silent majority doe
I don't know why you guys poke fun when I'm clearly the most intelligent person on this board
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Utah has supposedly become a toss-up state.
I'm guessing neither wins Utah, an Independent Mormon with largely Republican values/platform is polling relatively well and has been gaining traction there recently.
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I'm guessing neither wins Utah, an Independent Mormon with largely Republican values/platform is polling relatively well and has been gaining traction there recently.
I didn't know Harambe was Mormon
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Glenn Greenwald is dat dude
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/13/on-wikileaks-journalism-and-privacy-reporting-on-the-podesta-archive-is-an-easy-call/
Excerpt:
Democratic partisans have attempted to belittle or dismiss the stories from the Podesta archive by claiming that none of them reveal any earth-shattering or “shocking” scandals (that’s the same tactic used to dismiss away all revelations about institutions people love, including the Manning and Snowden files). They appear to believe it’s interesting that devoted supporters of Hillary Clinton have decided that none of these documents reflect poorly on her in any significant way.
But this is an inane standard to apply. The vast majority of reporting done by journalists is not about uncovering cataclysmic scandals or “shocking” people. Whether something is “shocking” is not the standard of what is newsworthy. I would hope nobody finds it remotely “shocking” that Donald Trump is a serial groper of women; despite its being utterly expected, it’s still newsworthy to report it. Journalism is about shining a light on what the most powerful factions do in the dark, about helping people understand how they operate. Not every story is going to be “shocking” or spawn a new, major scandal. That doesn’t mean it should be suppressed.
This reaction is also based in a self-absorbed bias. Many long-time journalists or political junkies already know that politicians are typically disingenuous, dishonest and manipulate public opinion, and this jaded perspective causes them to react with boredom toward stories that reveal this. But journalism isn’t about entertaining veterans of political journalism or feeding them new tidbits that they did not already know. It’s about providing the public with information that they can use to better understand the world and, in particular, what those who wield the greatest power are doing. Just because a political journalist thinks he already knows something doesn’t mean that the general public already knows it, or doesn’t want to learn more about it.
Moreover, that certain behavior is “common” among politicians does not mean that it is justified, nor does it negate the newsworthiness of revealing new details about it. To dismiss stories showing the dishonesty or manipulations of politicians on the ground that such behavior is “common” is just a way of normalizing that behavior.
The Podesta emails provide unprecedented insight into how a modern presidential campaign operates, the tactics it uses for shaping public opinion, the trade-offs and compromises it makes to secure support and obtain power. Beyond that, they reveal the thought processes and behaviors of the top advisers to the person who, very shortly, will almost certainly occupy the Oval Office – and, in some instances, the thought processes of Hillary Clinton herself. As such, even if they don’t “shock” people who have worked for 30 years in journalism, they are of great journalistic value for showing the public what takes place behind the curtain and how the most politically powerful people in the nation speak and reason about public matters when they think nobody is watching.
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TL:dr
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
WHAT THEY ARE SAYING ABOUT THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN’S ANTI-CATHOLIC BIGOTRY:
http://bit.ly/2dcbtvkCrooked
Okay, Donald.
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The homicide rate in the U.S. is at a 51-year low, according to the FBI, but according to Donald Trump it's at a 45-year high.
The man is either completely delusional or a pathological liar. I'm not sure which is worse.
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The homicide rate in the U.S. is at a 51-year low, according to the FBI, but according to Donald Trump it's at a 45-year high.
The man is either completely delusional or a pathological liar. I'm not sure which is worse.
He's clearly one or the other because 90% of the bullshit he spews is blatantly wrong.
The Podesta e-mails should be talked about more on news stations other than Fox News because they are news and a unique insight to how the Clinton campaign works. But nothing in there that I've seen reported is anywhere near as bad as having zero idea on foreign policy, sexually assaulting women, and promoting white nationalism by denigrating every minority group that exists.
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He's clearly one or the other because 90% of the bullshit he spews is blatantly wrong.
The Podesta e-mails should be talked about more on news stations other than Fox News because they are news and a unique insight to how the Clinton campaign works. But nothing in there that I've seen reported is anywhere near as bad as having zero idea on foreign policy, sexually assaulting women, and promoting white nationalism by denigrating every minority group that exists.
Someone I follow tweeted this in the morning:
Not saying Trump's a good person, but HRC isn't any better when it comes to power, money, and corruption.
I mean, yeah, apart from the hate rhetoric, complete lack of diplomacy, fixation on vengeance, and the repeated sexual assaults, they're practically the same person!
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At this point the only real thing motivating me to vote for Trump is watching people lose their excrement afterwards. Especially those in the media having to address him as "Mr. President."
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/301181-trump-calls-for-drug-test-before-debate
Trump thinks both Clinton and himself should have to take a drug test before the 3rd debate
I think it would be completely eye opening if it happened.
If I were Trump id agree to release my taxes, if Clinton agreed to take a drug test before the debate
I think hed have far more to gain than lose
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That's not going to happen
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That's retarded. Like Marlee Matlin retarded.
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That's retarded. Like Marlee Matlin retarded.
That's deaf yo
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That's deaf yo
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/13/donald-trump-called-deaf-apprentice-marlee-matlin-retarded.html
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/13/donald-trump-called-deaf-apprentice-marlee-matlin-retarded.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/13/donald-trump-called-deaf-apprentice-marlee-matlin-retarded.html)
Hahaha that's retarded.
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Article has no sources, probably written by a cuck
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Crooked media
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Crooked media
https://youtu.be/_X16_KzX1vE
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https://youtu.be/_X16_KzX1vE
Do you actually subscribe to that channel?
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Do you actually subscribe to that channel?
No
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No
He said that it's illegal to possess stolen documents, which is true, though I understand how it sounds to some people like the mainstream media is trying to filter the information that's available to the public.
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He said that it's illegal to possess stolen documents, which is true. I can see how it sounds to some people like the mainstream media is trying to filter the information that's available to the public.
It's a ridiculous thing to say and the media has no elevated privilege over that of a citizen. Of course having stolen property is legal but that was an obvious attempt to scare people into not looking at the WikiLeaks information on their own.
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No
Definitely
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I found that on Reddit. FWIW I'm not a Trump (or Hillary) supporter. I do enjoy Trump's antics though, he's very entertaining. Hillary scares me, she's corrupted beyond repair.
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I'll take corruption over incompetence.
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So a corrupt president scares you more than an incompetent one.
God you're such a bundle of sticks. Makes sense that you were home schooled
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God you're such a bundle of sticks. Makes sense that you were home schooled
I changed my post because I jumped the gun on yours, but thanks for the insult.
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I changed my post because I jumped the gun on yours, but thanks for the insult.
You're insufferable, use it as a learning experience
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You're insufferable, use it as a learning experience
Well freak you, too.
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Sorry bud, inb4 Johnny English deletes my posts
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You're insufferable, use it as a learning experience
Well freak you, too.
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I'll take corruption over incompetence.
An incompetent President isn't going to get anything done and is gonna get manhandled by Congress and the Senate.
A corrupt one is going to just give power to the highest bidder and their back room buddies, regardless of how fucked up and evil they are (and presumably also corrupt)
I think I'd take an incompetent one over corrupt one.
Although Trump has more issues than being incompetent
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An incompetent President isn't going to get anything done and is gonna get manhandled by Congress and the Senate.
A corrupt one is going to just give power to the highest bidder and their back room buddies, regardless of how fucked up and evil they are (and presumably also corrupt)
I think I'd take an incompetent one over corrupt one.
Although Trump has more issues than being incompetent
What if you're corrupt AND incompetent? I haven't heard many policy ideas from Trump, but the few I have heard mostly benefit him and his family (and the rich).
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What if you're corrupt AND incompetent?
Then you become president.
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Claiming that an election is rigged without supporting evidence should be automatically disqualifying.
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It's voter suppression that could actually lead to violence on election day.
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Claiming that an election is rigged without providing evidence should be automatically disqualifying.
freaking up as Secretary of State should also automatically disqualify you for the Presidency. I don't know why people keep giving her a pass on this. That's like me not selling a damn thing for a year at my firm and using my personal email for confidential company documents etc, and then being promoted as CEO.
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It's voter suppression that could actually lead to violence on election day.
You mean like when the Black Panthers were hanging around voting stations in 2008 trying to scare white people?
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freaking up as Secretary of State should also automatically disqualify you for the Presidency. I don't know why people keep giving her a pass on this. That's like me not selling a damn thing for a year at my firm and using my personal email for confidential company documents etc, and then being promoted as CEO.
Not everyone shares your opinion. If they did, she wouldn't have received the Democratic Party's nomination for president because she wouldn't have received any votes in the primary. Disqualifying her would have been pointless.
Hillary Clinton's record as Secretary of State doesn't deter people from voting. It doesn't elicit fear or inspire violence. Trump's claims that the election will be rigged and calls for his supporters to "watch" polling centers in areas where people aren't likely to vote for Trump do. That's the difference and the fact that you can't see that for yourself is sad.
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You mean like when the Black Panthers were hanging around voting stations in 2008 trying to scare white people?
Obama never called for people to loiter near polling centers. Trump has openly called for his supporters, who undeniably include white supremacists and gun rights enthusiasts, to go to polling centers in areas where people are less likely to vote for him and watch the people as they walk in and out.
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That is freaking sick.
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Obama never called for people to loiter near to polling centers. Trump has openly called for his supporters, who undeniably include white supremacists and gun rights enthusiasts, to go to polling centers in areas where people are less likely to vote for him and watch the people as they walk in and out of polling centers.
Quote please.
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Quote please.
“We’re gonna watch Pennsylvania,” he said on Friday. “Go down to certain areas and watch and study and make sure other people don’t come in and vote five times. The only way we can lose, in my opinion – and I really mean this, Pennsylvania – is if cheating goes on. I really believe it.
“So I hope you people can sort of not just vote on the 8th – go around and look and watch other polling places and make sure that it’s 100% fine,” he added.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/13/trump-recruits-election-observers-voter-intimidation-fears
Not only is that a pretty blatant call for voter intimidation, according to the article it's also illegal.
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Quote please.
No. I'm tired of educating your ignorant, bigoted derriere. Do some research.
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Meh.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/13/trump-recruits-election-observers-voter-intimidation-fears
Not only is that a pretty blatant call for voter intimidation, according to the article it's also illegal.
Trumps an idiot, but in his defense he literally said "make sure people dont go in and vote 5 times"
Its hard to knock a guy for worrying about his opponent cheating in the election, when his opponent was cheating in the primaries, and had lots of issues with polling booths "malfunctioning"
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Trumps an idiot, but in his defense he literally said "make sure people dont go in and vote 5 times"
Its hard to knock a guy for worrying about his opponent cheating in the election, when his opponent was cheating in the primaries, and had lots of issues with polling booths "malfunctioning"
Except that what he is asking for is literally illegal.
Writing on the Election Law Blog, Hasen noted that the ruling forbade the RNC from engaging in ballot security efforts, without prior court consent. The decree specifically orders RNC members “refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor”.
In 2013, the US supreme court rejected an RNC request to lift a 30-year-old court order that limits the national Republican party’s powers to challenge voters’ eligibility at the polls.
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We don't have much of it here on JO but the vote-shaming on Facebook is beyond unbearable.
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Except that what he is asking for is literally illegal.
The decree specifically orders RNC members “refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor”
make sure other people don’t come in and vote five times
I think theres confusion
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I think theres confusion
I'm certainly confused as to why you bolded the bits you did. I don't really care right now though, I'm watching baseball and football.
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We don't have much of it here on JO but the vote-shaming on Facebook is beyond unbearable.
GTFO Nazi Republican
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GTFO Nazi Republican
If you don't vote for Hillary you are responsible for the death of Dennis Byrd
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We don't have much of it here on JO but the vote-shaming on Facebook is beyond unbearable.
Omg yes, I have blocked several people because of this, Facebook is basically annoying trash right now.
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Omg yes, I have blocked several people because of this, Facebook is basically annoying trash right now.
If you don't vote for Hillary you are responsible for the genocide of the Native Americans.
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If you don't vote for Hillary you are responsible for the genocide of the Native Americans.
Hillary is a she devil, Trump will bring accountability and integrity to the White House.
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NY Daily News- An artist erected an obscene statue of Hillary Clinton in downtown Manhattan Tuesday morning causing a heated fight between defenders of the profane piece of protest art and women trying to tear it down. The grotesque caricature of the Democratic candidate appeared outside the Bowling Green station during morning rush hour on Tuesday and shows Clinton with hoofed feet and a Wall Street banker resting his head on her bare breasts. The statue was up for less than three hours before an enraged woman toppled it over and started yelling at the statue’s creator.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/naked-statue-hillary-clinton-sparks-fight-manhattan-article-1.2834970
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Called it.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/naked-statue-hillary-clinton-sparks-fight-manhattan-article-1.2834970
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Called it.
Weird how all the Trump ones with his tiny penis stand, but some feminist nut job banshee destroys this
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Guy on the teet is Andrew Ryan
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Guy on the teet is Andrew Ryan
4.5 honks
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Hahahahaha
It was inevitable.
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Are we sure that's Hillary and not Lisa Lampanelli?
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Please show me where in this thread that I have defended or expressed support for Hillary Clinton. I don't believe she posseses the characteristics necessary to be a good president but in comparison to Trump she's JFK in heels.
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If Mitt Romney or Michael Bloomberg were running against her, I'd likely vote for either of them.
Implying that I'm a Hillary shill is actually quite insulting.
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I'd love to see a real businessman in the oval office.
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I'd love to see a real businessman in the oval office.
Triggered
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The joke was funny. It just wasn't accurate.
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The joke was funny. It just wasn't accurate.
Saying your own joke was funny means the joke wasn't funny 100% of the time
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Please show me where in this thread that I have defended or expressed support for Hillary Clinton. I don't believe she posseses the characteristics necessary to be a good president but in comparison to Trump she's JFK in heels.
I'm a Hillary shill
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Saying your own joke was funny means the joke wasn't funny 100% of the time
I was referring to Pope's joke. I laughed at it.
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Pope still doesn't have a clue about my political stance, though.
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I rag on Trump because it's easy and I enjoy it. I could rag on Hillary but the material's a lot drier. Probably like her vagina.
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I was referring to Pope's joke. I laughed at it.
It was hilarious, now shut up and take it. Lol
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If Mitt Romney or Michael Bloomberg were running against her, I'd likely vote for either of them.
Implying that I'm a Hillary shill is actually quite insulting.
Funny you mention JFK. You can take all the criticism JFK ever got about his relationships with women and the business dealings of the Kennedy family and apply them to Trump right now. Of course Democrats brush it off as "oh those Kennedys!" but then call Trump a monster.
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Funny you mention JFK. You can take all the criticism JFK ever got about his relationships with women and the business dealings of the Kennedy family and apply them to Trump right now. Of course Democrats brush it off as "oh those Kennedys!" but then call Trump a monster.
Lol someone said "we don't need a womanizer in the white house "
I replied, JFK was pretty good .
Except , that's where the similarities end between JFK and Trump.
I'm likely voting Stein . A call for the boycott of Israel was the icing on the cake .
Johnson will get his 7% in his sleep so I'm not voting for him .
I refuse to play the lesser of 2 evils sham . Especially when I hate both so much .
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I refuse to play the lesser of 2 evils sham . Especially when I hate both so much .
Good for you. I respect that.
If Bloomberg ran as a third party I'd probably vote for him.
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Good for you. I respect that.
If Bloomberg ran as a third party I'd probably vote for him.
Not a huge fan of his , but I'd take him over these two
I was a Ron Paul guy in 8 and 12'
Yeah , I instantly get labeled a trump or Clinton supporter for slamming either . I need to preface everything with, "trustt me I hate them both " or people have a seizure
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If Bloomberg ran as a third party I'd probably vote for him.
freak. We actually agree on something.
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Lol someone said "we don't need a womanizer in the white house "
I replied, JFK was pretty good .
Except , that's where the similarities end between JFK and Trump.
I'm likely voting Stein . A call for the boycott of Israel was the icing on the cake .
Johnson will get his 7% in his sleep so I'm not voting for him .
I refuse to play the lesser of 2 evils sham . Especially when I hate both so much .
He was polling around 5% towards the end of last election FWIW and only actually ended up with 1%. People get more scared of the consequences of voting 3rd party towards the end and I anticipate that could happen this election especially with these 2 major candidates
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He was polling around 5% towards the end of last election FWIW and only actually ended up with 1%. People get more scared of the consequences of voting 3rd party towards the end and I anticipate that could happen this election especially with these 2 major candidates
I agree, I'm not one though .
The funniest thing is the the polls themselves . They had Stein at 3 or 5, yet didn't include voters 18 to 34 (probably 60 to 70 percent of her base ) in her actual polling.
At this point it's like cooking books . Clinton is supposedly far ahead, yet I don't see it come Nov 8th
Maybe a 5 % lead but some were reporting double digits lately .
I dunno . I see both presidents being a foreign affairs disaster, so it's a wash for me at this point .
It's like a blood sucking lawyer vs the angry used car salesman at the end of the bar
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Funny you mention JFK. You can take all the criticism JFK ever got about his relationships with women and the business dealings of the Kennedy family and apply them to Trump right now. Of course Democrats brush it off as "oh those Kennedys!" but then call Trump a monster.
Being a womanizer doesn't necessarily make you a sex offender.
I've read several biographies of JFK. As far as I know, he never worked for his family. After graduating from Harvard and serving in the Navy for four years, he worked for a newspaper for a short time before getting elected to congress.
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I'm sure JFK never had an issue with getting a woman's consent. Cheeto man on the other hand...
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Being a womanizer doesn't necessarily make you a sex offender.
I've read several biographies of JFK. As far as I know, he never worked for his family. After graduating from Harvard and serving in the Navy for four years, he worked for a newspaper for a short time before getting elected to congress.
Lol at comparing Trump to JFK, I can see maybe making a case to one of JFK's petrified turds. That's taking into account that JFK wasn't some great president.
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JFK is consistently ranked among the greatest U.S. Presidents. Impressive considering he was in office for less than three years.
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JFK is consistently ranked among the greatest U.S. Presidents. Impressive considering he was in office for less than three years.
Yeah it's the assassination quotient, it's complete bunk to rate him that high, Vietnam was his doing and that was a complete cluster freak. He would have gone down as mediocre if he lived out his term(s).
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Yeah it's the assassination quotient, it's complete bunk to rate him that high, Vietnam was his doing and that was a complete cluster freak. He would have gone down as mediocre if he lived out his term(s).
It's a bit disingenuous too lay most of the blame for Vietnam on JFK when it was his VP who was responsible for escalating the war.
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Read the Tonkin Gulf Resolution.
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Yeah it's the assassination quotient, it's complete bunk to rate him that high, Vietnam was his doing and that was a complete cluster freak. He would have gone down as mediocre if he lived out his term(s).
I know that the Cuban Missile Crisis and his focus on space exploration and civil rights dominates his legacy, but looking back at his record I can't see how he could be viewed as one of the best ever. He's romanticized because of his assassination, and back then the country came together in his mourning. I doubt that would happen today, but it was a different time.
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If you're going to blame Kennedy for Vietnam, you should also give him credit for the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts.
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you should also give him credit for the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts.
Those should be repealed, so no
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Those should be repealed, so no
I was wondering who was going to take a swing at that softball.
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Right, because black people shouldn't vote. I forgot.
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Right, because black people shouldn't vote. I forgot.
No worries it happens
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If you're going to blame Kennedy for Vietnam, you should also give him credit for the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts.
Vietnam was part of his legacy no matter how you slice and dice his record. I am not flat out blaming him but to be fair if we blame the last that abortion of Iraq on Bush, and I do, fair is fair.
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Madonna is offering a beej to anyone who changes their vote to Hillary
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Madonna is offering a beej to anyone who changes their vote to Hillary
freak it I'll vote for Hillary if I get to shoot a couple ropes on Madonna's noggin
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freak it I'll vote for Hillary if I get to shoot a couple ropes on Madonna's noggin
She said she swallows.
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Read the Tonkin Gulf Resolution.
I know about the Gulf of Tonkin. I am looking objectively he is raised in standing by being assassinated. Like it or not you can't judge a President fully on 3 years. A lot of the reminiscing and glorifying is similar to Lincoln, only he had a bonafide record and there's no doubt about his greatness.
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I know about the Gulf of Tonkin. I am looking objectively he is raised in standing by being assassinated. Like it or not you can't judge a President fully on 3 years. A lot of the reminiscing and glorifying is similar to Lincoln, only he had a bonafide record and there's no doubt about his greatness.
I don't disagree with what you're saying at all.
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I don't disagree with what you're saying at all.
Cool, I think we're done here.lol
I just wish we had some hope for a decent president
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Not a huge fan of his , but I'd take him over these two
I was a Ron Paul guy in 8 and 12'
Yeah , I instantly get labeled a trump or Clinton supporter for slamming either . I need to preface everything with, "trustt me I hate them both " or people have a seizure
The people I deal with still have a seizure despite that disclaimer.
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Cool, I think we're done here.lol
I just wish we had some hope for a decent president
I'm running in four years, fret not.
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I think Bloomberg was a good mayor but he wouldn't automatically get my vote if he ran third party.
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I think Bloomberg was a good mayor but he wouldn't automatically get my vote if he ran third party.
In this race I wouldn't hesitate to vote for him. But I agree generally with your position.
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I wasn't paying complete attention to the debate, but I feel like Trump didn't lose quite as badly as he did on the last two.
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https://imgur.com/gallery/6Atbm
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My pizza asked me to turn off the debate just before 10PM so she can watch that stupid American Horror Show and promptly fell asleep 15 minutes later. Gonna have to catch the last third on JewTube
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Trump did what he's been doing this whole time: painting Clinton as just another crooked politician. I don't think he's winning over many undecided voters, but he's getting his supporters to want to go out and vote. I honestly don't think Hillary has that same effect.
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Trump did what he's been doing this whole time: painting Clinton as just another crooked politician. I don't think he's winning over many undecided voters, but he's getting his supporters to want to go out and vote. I honestly don't think Hillary has that same effect.
Hillary doesn't have to convince anyone to vote her because they like her and her policies. She just has to be not sufficiently offensive to deter the colossal amount of people who hate Trump from voting for her to stop him.
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Hillary doesn't have to convince anyone to vote her because they like her and her policies. She just has to be not sufficiently offensive to deter the colossal amount of people who hate Trump from voting for her to stop him.
You're grossly underestimating the number of people who don't like Hillary. She may be beating Trump in nationwide phone polls, but I'm willing to bet that the majority of people who say they're voting for Trump will actually head to the polls. People who like him really like him. There are some who really like Hillary, but I don't see the others going out of their way to go to the polls for her, despite saying they support her over Trump.
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You're grossly underestimating the number of people who don't like Hillary. She may be beating Trump in nationwide phone polls, but I'm willing to bet that the majority of people who say they're voting for Trump will actually head to the polls. People who like him really like him. There are some who really like Hillary, but I don't see the others going out of their way to go to the polls for her, despite saying they support her over Trump.
Why do you do this to yourself?
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Why do you do this to yourself?
Meh. Just posting my thoughts. We'll see in 20 days.
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I thought what I always thought after tonight, they're both equally annoying candidates that talk out of both sides of their face. I listened to most of it's, and it's patently obvious that neither are sincere human beings. Let me take a step back, none of them can even pretend to be sincere, like a decent politician should at least be able to fake. They're freaking awful, in all respects.
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I can't believe that we're actually talking about a presidential candidate refusing to say that he'll accept the outcome of the election.
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Trump vs Clinton will be a low turnout rout. Women will come out in droves against trump and for Clinton, trump has alienated way too many people on all sides of every issue to carry swing states, especially with his horrible ground game and the fact that local republican parties are routinely running away from trump.
The dynamic of this election hasn't substantially changed in months.
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I still think it's hilarious how anyone who is firmly in Hillary's camp thinks it'll be a landslide for her because no one likes Trump and everyone in Trump's camp thinks they'll have record turnout and shock the world.
In the end, this is going to be a low turnout, closer than anyone thinks shitshow.
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I still think it's hilarious how anyone who is firmly in Hillary's camp thinks it'll be a landslide for her because no one likes Trump and everyone in Trump's camp thinks they'll have record turnout and shock the world.
In the end, this is going to be a low turnout, closer than anyone thinks shitshow.
Every single statistical vehicle out there has this election strictly in Hillarys corner. I think last I've seen is there's a greater than 90% chance Hillary wins. And she's overwhelmingly owning every demographic but white men
The popular vote could be closer than we think, but Hillary is going to completely annihilate Trump when it comes to the electoral votes, which is all that counts
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Electoral college. That's all that matters. Unless Trump wins every battleground state, it's virtually impossible for him to win the 270 votes needed to win.
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Every single statistical vehicle out there has this election strictly in Hillarys corner. I think last I've seen is there's a greater than 90% chance Hillary wins. And she's overwhelmingly owning every demographic but white men
The popular vote could be closer than we think, but Hillary is going to completely annihilate Trump when it comes to the electoral votes, which is all that counts
I think we're going to see low turnout because both sides' biggest supporters will come out and everyone else is going to say "freak this, I'm going home for dinner."
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I think we're going to see low turnout because both sides' biggest supporters will come out and everyone else is going to say "freak this, I'm going home for dinner."
Every year is low turnout
But regardless it's gonna be a massacre
Trump can't win
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Republicans running for congress right now really have a catch-22 on their hands. Those that have disowned Trump likely won't receive votes from Trump's supporters and those that haven't potentially won't receive votes from voters that have disowned him.
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Republicans running for congress right now really have a catch-22 on their hands. Those that have disowned Trump likely won't receive votes from Trump's supporters and those that haven't potentially won't receive votes from voters that have disowned him.
I don't see trump supporters voting democrat for congress
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I don't see trump supporters voting democrat for congress
I don't either. It's more likely that they would vote 3rd party or not at all.
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Trump supporters get incensed any time someone says a negative word about their boy, so I don't think it's difficult to believe at all that they would refuse to vote for a Republican senate or house candidate that has refused/failed to endorse or disowned Trump.
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Trump supporters get incensed any time someone says a negative word about their boy, so I don't think it's difficult to believe at all that they would refuse to vote for a Republican senate or house candidate that has refused/failed to endorse or disowned Trump.
You're forgetting that many trump supporters are first time registered voters and wouldn't otherwise vote.
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You're forgetting that many trump supporters are first time registered voters and wouldn't otherwise vote.
That's true, but that's not all of them. In many places, it doesn't take a large amount of people who would normally vote for a specific candidate refusing to vote for that candidate to split a ticket enough to allow that candidate's opponent to win.
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That's true, but that's not all of them. In many places, it doesn't take a large amount of people who would normally vote for a specific candidate refusing to vote for that candidate to split a ticket enough to allow that candidate's opponent to win.
To be honest considering how most people in this country think, I'm pretty sure things revert back to normal if Trump loses. The republicans regroup, and focus on making Hillary's life difficult for the next 4 years.
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To be honest considering how most people in this country think, I'm pretty sure things revert back to normal if Trump loses. The republicans regroup, and focus on making Hillary's life difficult for the next 4 years.
I don't think we've ever had a president take office with a negative favorable rating, so the only way that Hillary's life isn't made inordinately difficult is if the Democrats have complete control of congress IMO.
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I'd add that there are also people who don't normally vote (women/minorities) that are voting simply to vote against Trump. It's not all one-sided in the opposite direction.
Perhaps that group isn't as large as the one that's voting simply to vote for Trump. Perhaps it's larger. I don't know.
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I'd add that there are also people who don't normally vote (women/minorities) that are voting simply to vote against Trump. It's not all one-sided in the opposite direction.
Perhaps that group isn't as large as the one that's voting simply to vote for Trump. Perhaps it's larger. I don't know.
Well we're certainly going to find out in 20 days.
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I can't believe that we're actually talking about a presidential candidate refusing to say that he'll accept the outcome of the election.
I can. I expected this weeks ago.
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I can. I expected this weeks ago.
It's still hard for me to fathom.
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Not being facetious here but didn't Gore do the same thing with the recount?
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Not being facetious here but didn't Gore do the same thing with the recount?
I think, given the same set of circumstances that Gore was faced with in 2000, I wouldn't have any issue with Trump contesting the results of the election.
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Back then, there was actually a legitimate controversy over vote counting.
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It's still hard for me to fathom.
My thought process went like this:
-I wonder what his concession speech will be like.
-Oh god, he's not capable of conceding.
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https://theintercept.com/2016/10/07/both-campaigns-enthusiastically-violate-ban-on-super-pac-coordination-watchdog-says/
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/oct/13/liberal-media-bias-working-class-american
Excerpt:
"Media fascination with the hateful white Trump voter fuels the theory, now in fashion, that bigotry is the only explanation for supporting him. Certainly, financial struggle does not predict a soft spot for Trump, as cash-strapped people of color – who face the threat of his racism and xenophobia, and who resoundingly reject him, by all available measures – can attest. However, one imagines that elite white liberals who maintain an air of ethical grandness this election season would have a harder time thinking globally about trade and immigration if it were their factory job that was lost and their community that was decimated.
Affluent analysts who oppose Trump, though, have a way of taking a systemic view when examining social woes but viewing their place on the political continuum as a triumph of individual character. Most of them presumably inherited their political bent, just like most of those in “red” America did. If you were handed liberalism, give yourself no pats on the back for your vote against Trump."
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So apparently the founder or head of wikileaks is in Ecuador, and the US government told Ecuador to cut off his Internet access
It's gonna be incredible to see how dirty Hillary is as president. I wonder what her chances of getting arrested or impeached are
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-wikileaks-internet-2016-10
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How did you not know who Julian Assange is?
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So apparently the founder or head of wikileaks is in Ecuador, and the US government told Ecuador to cut off his Internet access
It's gonna be incredible to see how dirty Hillary is as president. I wonder what her chances of getting arrested or impeached are
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-wikileaks-internet-2016-10
He's in London, inside the Ecuadorian embassy. He's been there for a few years under political asylum
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I love how America hates wikileaks all of a sudden. This guy was labeled a hero during the Bush administration.
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"Can't we just drone this guy?"
Serial killers have more compassion.
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I love how America hates wikileaks all of a sudden. This guy was labeled a hero during the Bush administration.
Or you could just be like Sheila Jackson Lee and blame it on the wikipedia. Hahahahahahaha. What an idiot.
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Or you could just be like Sheila Jackson Lee and blame it on the wikipedia. Hahahahahahaha. What an idiot.
I like whenever someone on the DNC is interviewed they pivot to Russians hacking us being the bigger issue...not corruption within our own country. Sure, cyber security is important and all, but we shouldn't ignore the content of what was hacked.
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How did you not know who Julian Assange is?
The story isnt about who he is (ive heard of him before, and know absolutely nothing other than his association with wiki leaks)
The story is how the US government is trying to make Ecuador shut him up
Which obviously has to do with the obvious
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I love how the left hates wikileaks all of a sudden. This guy was labeled a hero during the Bush administration.
FTFY, and it's because the leaks are about their side now
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It sucks to feel like we are just completely boned no matter what happens. I don't even feel like there is really a lesser of two evils anymore. Just two straight up evil pieces of excrement.
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In terms of governing this country, the evil that Clinton represents is that of an insulated political class. Her difficulties will reflect the political institution - if the majority of politicians are unable to foresee a problem occurring, Clinton will likely not be the guiding voice of reason and foresight. In the end, though, Clinton is so caught up in securing her own legacy that she will likely try to what 'most people' want her to do, for better or for worse.
The evil that Trump represents, again, as the person who will govern us, is a willingness to let other people steamroll policy and agenda decisions as long as he maintains the veneer of power and strength. For the most part, he won't govern - he doesn't have the patience for it. Politically savvy outsiders who want power will manipulate him - you can already see it happening with Andrew Breitbart. In most cases, he will do what those who have his ear will want him to do, and lash out blindly at those who annoy or anger him.
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In terms of governing this country, the evil that Clinton represents is that of an insulated political class. Her difficulties will reflect the political institution - if the majority of politicians are unable to foresee a problem occurring, Clinton will likely not be the guiding voice of reason and foresight. In the end, though, Clinton is so caught up in securing her own legacy that she will likely try to what 'most people' want her to do, for better or for worse.
The evil that Trump represents, again, as the person who will govern us, is a willingness to let other people steamroll policy and agenda decisions as long as he maintains the veneer of power and strength. For the most part, he won't govern - he doesn't have the patience for it. Politically savvy outsiders who want power will manipulate him - you can already see it happening with Andrew Breitbart. In most cases, he will do what those who have his ear will want him to do, and lash out blindly at those who annoy or anger him.
I think Hillary's evil is deeper than that. This recent Morocco scandal is just further evidence of it. Money and power is just the most important thing to her, and she doesnt give a freak what kind of evil monster she needs to get in bed with to acquire it.
While Trump is a somewhat of a bigot and a complete buffoon, I dont think hes as bad as her with that kind of thing. Although the fact that hes got this mancrush going on with Putin means hes probably pretty bad too.
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I think Hillary's evil is deeper than that.
What does that mean in terms of what impact she will have on our lives when she is our president?
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What does that mean in terms of what impact she will have on our lives when she is our president?
Shell put the highest bidder into positions of power
How is that good for us ?
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Haha https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/790146436851568640
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Haha https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/790146436851568640
I don't get it.
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I don't get it.
I think Roseanne 100% believes in every conspiracy about the Clintons and those they've killed on their way to power.
Vince Foster being the most popular one. Seth Rich being the most recent death to spark conspiracy.
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Erica Garner is going off against Clinton's campaign on Twitter.
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There still exists a very good chance that Trump takes the prize. The polls are starting to shift, even with mainstream media and oversampling.
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There still exists a very good chance that Trump takes the prize. The polls are starting to shift, even with mainstream media and oversampling.
I've been saying this election is going to be far closer than anyone realizes all along and I stand by that.
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I've been saying this election is going to be far closer than anyone realizes all along and I stand by that.
I see no good coming from a Hillary presidency- the criminal activity, lies, deceit, and coordination with the mainstream media is just way too much for me. My only hope is that if Trump is selected he surrounds himself with far more educated people.
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I see no good coming from a Hillary presidency- the criminal activity, lies, deceit, and coordination with the mainstream media is just way too much for me.
I might get more of a raise, so I've got that going for me.
Still not voting for her.
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We’re going to win so much, you’re going to get tired of winning . . . You’re going to say, ‘Please, Mr. President. I have a headache. Please, don’t win so much. This is getting terrible.’ And I’m going to say, ‘No, we have to make America great again.
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FBI is re-opening the Hillary case https://twitter.com/jasoninthehouse/status/792047597040971776
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She is such a guilty queynte.
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FBI is re-opening the Hillary case https://twitter.com/jasoninthehouse/status/792047597040971776
Here's the actual letter:
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Perhaps we would be better taking our lead from less biased sources than Jason "I love Trump, wait no I don't, wait yes I do" and listen to people like Matt Viser (Washington bureau chief, Boston Globe) or Tom Winter (NBC).
https://twitter.com/mviser/status/792056364482695172
https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/792052676406247424
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Send that pig to prison.
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Here's the actual letter:
(https://cdn-images-2.medium.com/max/800/1*ZWhrAEO6Bnu0DiNx7Usp-w.jpeg)
Perhaps we would be better taking our lead from less biased sources than Jason "I love Trump, wait no I don't, wait yes I do" and listen to people like Matt Viser (Washington bureau chief, Boston Globe) or Tom Winter (NBC).
https://twitter.com/mviser/status/792056364482695172
https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/792052676406247424
Don't listen to people I like and listen to people I do like.
I mean you're somewhat right, Chaffetz jumped the gun on what's actually happening, but this isn't insignificant either
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Hillary wanted to make history
Shes gonna be the first president sworn in from prison
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The new emails were discovered during the Anthony Weiner investigation. This entire episode is outrageous.
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Would be great if Weiner just sank her campaign with the latest
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Would be great if Weiner just sank her campaign with the latest
He just dick wagged the entire country.
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Would be great if Weiner just sank her campaign with the latest
Would be great if it's uncovered he emailed Hilary dick pics
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Would be great if it's uncovered he emailed Hilary dick pics
There's zero chance he never fucked her, or watched Huma fist that catcher's mitt of a box.
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Don't listen to people I like and listen to people I do like.
I mean you're somewhat right, Chaffetz jumped the gun on what's actually happening, but this isn't insignificant either
It's not insignificant, it's just erroneous reporting from a biased source. Viser and Winter are both pretty credible Washington reporters.
Clinton campaign are crying about timing, and it is pretty shitty, but I don't think they can really complain about that. It's not like women have just realised that they were sexually assaulted by Trump.
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It's not insignificant, it's just erroneous reporting from a biased source. Viser and Winter are both pretty credible Washington reporters.
Clinton campaign are crying about timing, and it is pretty shitty, but I don't think they can really complain about that. It's not like women have just realised that they were sexually assaulted by Trump.
Not to mention the original controversy just kind of disappeared overnight. With the FBI basically saying Hillary was clear of criminal charges before even finishing their investigation.
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http://www.snappytv.com/tc/3120666
Biden's reaction to Anthony Weiner
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Something that occurred to me today...
Lately as part of the vote-shaming crusade against those not voting for Clinton there's been a lot of implying, or sometimes outright stating, that if you're not voting for her it must be because she's a woman and you must be inherently misogynistic if you don't support her.
Besides the obvious logical flaw in this argument (women such as Jill Stein and Elizabeth Warren will get/could have gotten many of these votes), shouldn't this be an unacceptable thing to say to someone?
Besides dcm or Tommy most people here would never tell a woman "You're just voting for Hillary because she's a woman." because that's kind of a shitty thing to say to a person. I know if I ever said something like that publicly I'd have to deal with getting a ton of excrement from people.
So why is it seemingly alright for people to say the inverse to a man?
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Donald Trump has upcoming court appearances for fraud and for rape.
Hillary is by no means innocent but Trump's a monster. I'm not going to be sanctimonious regarding who people vote for but it's time for people to stop pretending Hillary is just some career criminal and Trump is just a man of the people that the media has painted poorly.
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Seeing as how this election is apparently now all about servers, this is interesting:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html
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NYT dismissed that as nonsense. This election is over folks.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/money/2016/10/31/media/donna-brazile-cnn-resignation/index.html?client=ms-android-verizon
Brazile leaked debate questions to HRC in advanced
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Saw a poll today that said Trump has taken the national lead.
Is Gary Johnson going to be the Ralph Nader of 2016?
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/money/2016/10/31/media/donna-brazile-cnn-resignation/index.html?client=ms-android-verizon
Brazile leaked debate questions to HRC in advanced
I thought that was already common knowledge? I've always hated surrogates like her on the networks. They always start each sentence with "As a proud Democrat". It's such bullshit. Get Belaga out of there too while they're at it. The only one on that CNN panel that I actually respect is Axlerod. He at least tries to be impartial.
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Saw a poll today that said Trump has taken the national lead.
Is Gary Johnson going to be the Ralph Nader of 2016?
Having the national lead this late into the election will encourage people to go to the polls for Trump. A few weeks ago many probably would've been reluctant to do so since they didn't want to waste their time. Now that he has a legit shot? You better believe they'll be out.
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I thought that was already common knowledge? I've always hated surrogates like her on the networks. They always start each sentence with "As a proud Democrat". It's such bullshit. Get Belaga out of there too while they're at it. The only one on that CNN panel that I actually respect is Axlerod. He at least tries to be impartial.
I hate the majority of their pundits. Ana Navarro is the freaking worst. Ditto for Van Jones.
It's almost over. Thankfully.
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The CNN pundits don't try to be impartial. You know where Kayleigh and Jeffrey Lord stand. You know where the liberals stand. Kayleigh and Jeffrey Lord seem like two of the most insufferable people ever put on television, but I'm not on their side.
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I hate the majority of their pundits. Ana Navarro is the freaking worst. Ditto for Van Jones.
It's almost over. Thankfully.
Van Jones is the absolute worst.
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http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/EconomistLetter11012016.pdf
That's a pretty impressive list of signatories, including last year's Nobel prize winner for Economics and one of this year's Nobel prize winners for Economics.
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Having the national lead this late into the election will encourage people to go to the polls for Trump. A few weeks ago many probably would've been reluctant to do so since they didn't want to waste their time. Now that he has a legit shot? You better believe they'll be out.
I just wonder how much of a reset he will be to the system. How many lobbyists are really thrown out of DC? How many corrupt politicians will find jobs freaking up some developing nation? Will relations overseas really improve? Will the perpetual war in the middle east actually slow down or stop? Are there actually jobs coming back to this country?
The wall won't be built. I'll bet money on that. He might as well said he's going to close Gitmo.
It'll be the most interesting time to be alive in American history. Don't know if it'll be good or bad.
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FWIW, he doesn't have the national lead. You're citing (but not linking, or naming) a single poll that has Trump leading, but fivethirtyeight's PollsPlus model (not infallible, but generally pretty good) has Clinton with a 72% chance of winning. They're currently predicting her at 304 seats and 48.9% of the popular vote with Trump getting 232 and 44.9%.
Early data from Nevada has her likely outperforming polls as well.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-early-vote-in-nevada-suggests-clinton-might-beat-her-polls-there/
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FWIW, he doesn't have the national lead. You're citing (but not linking, or naming) a single poll that has Trump leading, but fivethirtyeight's PollsPlus model (not infallible, but generally pretty good) has Clinton with a 72% chance of winning. They're currently predicting her at 304 seats and 48.9% of the popular vote with Trump getting 232 and 44.9%.
Early data from Nevada has her likely outperforming polls as well.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-early-vote-in-nevada-suggests-clinton-might-beat-her-polls-there/
I don't buy the 538 poll, notice how it has been increasing daily. By election day it will say 51/49 Clinton and the actual result will be something like 55/45 Trump. Not a chance Trump loses Florida either.
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I don't buy the 538 poll, notice how it has been increasing daily. By election day it will say 51/49 Clinton and the actual result will be something like 55/45 Trump. Not a chance Trump loses Florida either.
It's not their poll, it's collated data from a whole load of other polls. Their Polls Only model gives Clinton a 73/27 chance; Polls Plus, which is the collated poll data factored with other intelligence such as historic voting patterns and polling honesty, has it 70/30 with Trump taking Florida.
It has definitely been on the move, but I'm inclined to trust fivethirtyeight more than most. Their track record is too good to ignore.
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http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/EconomistLetter11012016.pdf
That's a pretty impressive list of signatories, including last year's Nobel prize winner for Economics and one of this year's Nobel prize winners for Economics.
I'm sure Trump supporters will think long and hard about this. /s
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It's not their poll, it's collated data from a whole load of other polls. Their Polls Only model gives Clinton a 73/27 chance; Polls Plus, which is the collated poll data factored with other intelligence such as historic voting patterns and polling honesty, has it 70/30 with Trump taking Florida.
It has definitely been on the move, but I'm inclined to trust fivethirtyeight more than most. Their track record is too good to ignore.
That's true, I suppose my issue is with the current polling metrics. I just don't buy the Hillary support, never have. Information has come out that the DNC was rigged and I wouldn't be surprised if half the poll data was skewed.
Clearly I have no sources or inside knowledge, it's just that her entire campaign reeks of corruption and bullshit. I'm a lifelong Democrat but I'm vehemently opposed to her and everyone in her circle.
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Seeing as how this election is apparently now all about servers, this is interesting:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/01/heres-the-problem-with-the-story-connecting-russia-to-donald-trumps-email-server/
"Although the Slate article mentions Occam’s Razor, Foer never actually takes seriously the simplest plausible explanation for all of this: The Trump Organization owns a bunch of expensive, obnoxious spam servers that churn out marketing emails for its expensive, obnoxious hotels. Spectrum Health, an entity in this story whose presence never made any sense, provided the following statement:
Our experts have conducted a detailed analysis of the alleged internet traffic and did not find any evidence that it included any actual communications (no emails, chat, text, etc.) between Spectrum Health and Alfa Bank or any of the Trump organizations. While we did find a small number of incoming spam marketing emails, they originated from a digital marketing company, Cendyn, advertising Trump Hotels."
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https://theintercept.com/2016/11/01/heres-the-problem-with-the-story-connecting-russia-to-donald-trumps-email-server/
"Although the Slate article mentions Occam’s Razor, Foer never actually takes seriously the simplest plausible explanation for all of this: The Trump Organization owns a bunch of expensive, obnoxious spam servers that churn out marketing emails for its expensive, obnoxious hotels. Spectrum Health, an entity in this story whose presence never made any sense, provided the following statement:
Our experts have conducted a detailed analysis of the alleged internet traffic and did not find any evidence that it included any actual communications (no emails, chat, text, etc.) between Spectrum Health and Alfa Bank or any of the Trump organizations. While we did find a small number of incoming spam marketing emails, they originated from a digital marketing company, Cendyn, advertising Trump Hotels."
Did you read the Slate article? It specifically addressed that statement.
The researchers quickly dismissed their initial fear that the logs represented a malware attack. The communication wasn’t the work of bots. The irregular pattern of server lookups actually resembled the pattern of human conversation—conversations that began during office hours in New York and continued during office hours in Moscow. It dawned on the researchers that this wasn’t an attack, but a sustained relationship between a server registered to the Trump Organization and two servers registered to an entity called Alfa Bank.
The researchers had initially stumbled in their diagnosis because of the odd configuration of Trump’s server. “I’ve never seen a server set up like that,” says Christopher Davis, who runs the cybersecurity firm HYAS InfoSec Inc. and won a FBI Director Award for Excellence for his work tracking down the authors of one of the world’s nastiest botnet attacks. “It looked weird, and it didn’t pass the sniff test.” The server was first registered to Trump’s business in 2009 and was set up to run consumer marketing campaigns. It had a history of sending mass emails on behalf of Trump-branded properties and products. Researchers were ultimately convinced that the server indeed belonged to Trump. (Click here to see the server’s registration record.) But now this capacious server handled a strangely small load of traffic, such a small load that it would be hard for a company to justify the expense and trouble it would take to maintain it. “I get more mail in a day than the server handled,” Davis says.
“I’ve never seen a server set up like that.”
Christopher Davis of the cybersecurity firm HYAS InfoSec Inc.
That wasn’t the only oddity. When the researchers pinged the server, they received error messages. They concluded that the server was set to accept only incoming communication from a very small handful of IP addresses. A small portion of the logs showed communication with a server belonging to Michigan-based Spectrum Health. (The company said in a statement: “Spectrum Health does not have a relationship with Alfa Bank or any of the Trump organizations. We have concluded a rigorous investigation with both our internal IT security specialists and expert cyber security firms. Our experts have conducted a detailed analysis of the alleged internet traffic and did not find any evidence that it included any actual communications (no emails, chat, text, etc.) between Spectrum Health and Alfa Bank or any of the Trump organizations. While we did find a small number of incoming spam marketing emails, they originated from a digital marketing company, Cendyn, advertising Trump Hotels.”)
Spectrum accounted for a relatively trivial portion of the traffic. Eighty-seven percent of the DNS lookups involved the two Alfa Bank servers. “It’s pretty clear that it’s not an open mail server,” Camp told me. “These organizations are communicating in a way designed to block other people out.”
This wasn't a server designed to send spam.
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That's true, I suppose my issue is with the current polling metrics. I just don't buy the Hillary support, never have. Information has come out that the DNC was rigged and I wouldn't be surprised if half the poll data was skewed.
... So dozens of independent organizations who've hired hundreds of people who stake their professional livelihoods on accurate polling as well as the organization who've literally made their name on being able to predict the presidential election are all acting together to prop up someone who will turn out to be a historically terrible candidate?
I know plenty of people who support her whole-heartedly, and who are baffled by people who claim to see corruption. The corruption is there for the people who are specifically looking for it, for better or for worse.
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Did you read the Slate article? It specifically addressed that statement.
This wasn't a server designed to send spam.
It appears you didn't read my link either, as it also addresses the dns lookups, but don't let me interrupt the new red scare.
Spam is the only thing it's doing as far as anyone can see.
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... So dozens of independent organizations who've hired hundreds of people who stake their professional livelihoods on accurate polling as well as the organization who've literally made their name on being able to predict the presidential election are all acting together to prop up someone who will turn out to be a historically terrible candidate?
I know plenty of people who support her whole-heartedly, and who are baffled by people who claim to see corruption. The corruption is there for the people who are specifically looking for it, for better or for worse.
Yeah I know it sounds like tin-foil conspiracy bullshit. But at the same time how does the ABC poll move like 13 points in the span of a week in favor of Trump?
Obviously I don't know the details and the logistics but I imagine a lot of media outlets and polling companies have inherent bias. If I take what I'm seeing at face value then Hillary wins in an absolute landslide, but I don't see that happening.
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It appears you didn't read my link either, as it also addresses the dns lookups, but don't let me interrupt the new red scare.
Spam is the only thing it's doing as far as anyone can see.
I didn't, but now that I have you picked a weird bit to quote. There was much more compelling stuff in the article than the two paragraphs you chose.
I have much more to say on the whole data security piece as it pertains to both candidates, but I'm watching hockey so it will have to wait until tomorrow.
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Cyber is very important. We've got to have strong cyber. The best cyber!
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Cyber is very important. We've got to have strong cyber. The best cyber!
I hear there are ten year olds who are so good with the cyber. Ten year olds with computers. But it is very very tough.
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ASL!!!! Tell me dammit. And don't be a dude pretending to be a chick who's lesbian but willing to take a chance on dudes.
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https://www.google.com/amp/twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/10/31/moment-of-truth-hillary-clinton-tweets-that-shes-one-of-the-most-corrupt-candidates-of-all-time/amp/?client=ms-android-verizon
Hillary Clinton posts a tweet that says she's one of the most corrupt presidential candidates of all time
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Just four more days.
I know it's normal for people to become unenamored with the entire election process, but I don't even recall the post-election Bush circus being this divisive.
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freak this election yo
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Just four more days.
Except that no matter the result on Tuesday night, the couple of days following are going to be absolutely toxic.
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Except that no matter the result on Tuesday night, the couple of days following are going to be absolutely toxic.
Certainly true, but at least we'll know for sure who the primary object of hate will be.
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I remember being on public transport the day after Obama was elected in 2008. Those were some interesting times.
Just a bunch of "y'all wait til OH-BOMBA become president u gon be sorry we gon get ours"
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I remember being on public transport the day after Obama was elected in 2008. Those were some interesting times.
Just a bunch of "y'all wait til OH-BOMBA become president u gon be sorry we gon get ours"
The cheering on college campuses nationwide was nauseating. He's a fuckn' politician, you tools.
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The cheering on college campuses nationwide was nauseating. He's a fuckn' politician, you tools.
It was a historic moment in the history of this country, and when a woman finally becomes President that'll be historic too. The same goes for a Hispanic, Asian, or Middle Easterner as well. Cheering for that isn't wrong.
What Pope mentioned is ridiculous behavior though. The President is a symbol--not a demigod. And any notion of comeuppance/vengeance should never enter his or her mind. The idea that it should is certainly toxic.
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It was a historic moment in the history of this country, and when a woman finally becomes President that'll be historic too. The same goes for a Hispanic, Asian, or Middle Easterner as well. Cheering for that isn't wrong.
What Pope mentioned is ridiculous behavior though. The President is a symbol--not a demigod. And any notion of comeuppance/vengeance should never enter his or her mind. The idea that it should is certainly toxic.
Yeah I find it funny how people get so emotionally invested in this stuff. Regardless if Hillary or Trump or Gary Johnson or whoever becomes President.. I'm still going to wake up, go to work, pay taxes, and do 95% of the same excrement in my day to day life.
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Yeah I find it funny how people get so emotionally invested in this stuff. Regardless if Hillary or Trump or Gary Johnson or whoever becomes President.. I'm still going to wake up, go to work, pay taxes, and do 95% of the same excrement in my day to day life.
But if Trump is elected he's going to repeal all civil rights! /s
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But if Trump is elected he's going to repeal all civil rights! /s
He's a terrifying man. Have you seen the video of him beating a man and shaving his head?
https://youtu.be/MMKFIHRpe7I
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Yeah I find it funny how people get so emotionally invested in this stuff. Regardless if Hillary or Trump or Gary Johnson or whoever becomes President.. I'm still going to wake up, go to work, pay taxes, and do 95% of the same excrement in my day to day life.
While I feel like Trump is an awful human being and not someone I want as the symbol of this country, I mostly agree with you. Wednesday morning I'll still be on the F train despising everyone around me.
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freak now I'm hard as diamonds at work
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Donald hung his head. It was November 9th, 2 AM. The last of the votes had been counted, but everybody else in the campaign had known for hours what was coming, and gone home. CNN called the election at 4 PM, FOX called it at 6, even Breitbart had waited until midnight to publish an article about how his loss was a win for the globalists. He gazed, bleary-eyed at the muted telecast. 181 electoral votes. He had done well, all things considered. At least, that's what the pundits would be saying the next morning, and week, and potentially longer. It was better than McCain had done, at least.
It was a windy, cool night in New York, and as Donald walked out onto his balcony in Trump Tower, the city was at its most silent. Earlier in the evening, he had heard sounds of festivities and merriment outside, celebrating the new election. The phones had rang constantly, reporters asking if he would accept the results, until he finally had a staffer unplug them from the wall entirely. His family had stayed to comfort him, but he ignored them, staring stoically as a silent yet animated Karl Rove explained to the reporters on FOX about how it was still too close to call. That was hours ago, and Melania, Ivanka, even Eric had long left. Now he was all alone. He looked down on the city. He hadn't cried when his father died, not even when his mother died. He was tough. But on this night, as he gazed down at the near-lifeless city, a single tear eked out of his eye, ran down his nose, and fell off with a solitary drip. He had truly failed. He made a fool of himself in front of all of america. His supporters were riled up, furious, with boundless impotent rage just waiting for him, their mater, The Donald, to direct them as to where to put it. But he was tired. He had aged more in this last year and a half than he had in the prior 10, it seemed. His legs began to ache, and he leaned heavier on the rail.
He was about to turn back and get some rest, when suddenly there was a noise from the elevator. The bright light was nearly blinding, and as he shielded his eyes and looked away, a figure, just a silhouette against the gilded backdrop of the Trump Tower elevator, began to move towards him.
"Who the hell are you?" he shouted, "Who let you in? I'm not taking guests right now, Leave!"
"Oh, Donald," a familiar voice cooed, "I haven't seen you all evening. You know, I was getting worried about you. We were expecting an announcement, you know" The figure removed its heavy coat, as the elevator door slid shut. It was Hillary.
"Hillary?" Asked Donald, incredulous. "Why are you here? I thought you would be sleeping by now, the race was called hours ago and you have a big morning."
"You know why I'm here, Donald. Our, what's it called? Deal. You know, you're said to be the master of those." She smirked as she began removing her petticoat. the blood drained from Donald's face.
"No, you mean...You weren't serious...You can't make me..." Donald stammered, but was silenced by a light slap on the lips form Hillary's riding crop.
"You know, I had this one special made for you. See?" She turned the whip over and Donald saw that it had a large, embroidered, golden T on it. "I thought you would enjoy it."
"Hillary, there's no way-" He was silenced again, this time more aggressively, by the whip, and recoiled.
"Listen Donald, you agreed months ago to the traditional presidential orgy. I have your signature right here. Now taken off your clothes, be a good horsey!" Hillary demanded. Donald obliged, and began to cry. "Man up, Donald! You're better than this!"
"No I-I'm n-not" Donald cried, through sobs. "I-I-I-I'm-"
"Spit it out!" She cackled, as she struck him on his rear, leaving a welt.
"I'm a failure!" he cried, bawling now.
Clinton smirked, and bent down to cradle his head. "There there, little Donny. You did your best, don't cry too hard. I'm sure your daddy would be very proud of you if he were here. " She motioned toward the elevator, which opened. "But he's not, so I hope that Bill will do!"
The couple forced the blubbering heap that was once the republican presidential candidate onto his back. His shriveled, limp penis was retreated almost entirely into his fupa, but Bill took a firm grip and pulled the head until it was at its full length. He then wrapped it thick with electrical tape. "We'd hate for the fun to end too quickly" Bill jeered raspily. All this stimulation had given Donald a throbbing hardon, and the tape strained to contain his inflating member. The discomfort was apparent on his face, and Hillary chuckled. She was fully naked now. The couple flipped Donald back into a kneeling position, and bound his hands and feet.
"Now tell your daddy what you just told me!" She screamed.
"Oh, I'm such a failure papa! I failed you, I failed mom, I failed in front of the whole country! I-It didn't mean anything to me when I was just losing your money-that was endless it seemed! But now, I've lost all semblance of credibility and honor I ever had!"
Hillary whipped him. "That's enough!" she wailed. "Bill-I mean, Fred, tell your son what you think of him!"
Bill leaned down close to Donald, pausing to watch him whimper. "Son, I am very disappointed in you. As punishment, I want you to do whatever Hillary tells you."
HIllary smiled, and motioned to some men who had entered the room unbeknownst to Donald. They flipped him over suddenly and he was facing the ceiling again. He looked at their faces and nearly vomited. It was Barack Obama and Jeb Bush, both fully naked - and erect.
"Donald, you have been a very bad boy. So now my friends here are going to punish you." She said.
Jeb! and Obama began rubbing their oiled-up cocks all over Donald Trump's face. His tears streamed down as they taunted him. "Who's low energy now, Donny boy?" cried Jeb!
Obama inserted the tip of his penis into Donald's mouth, and he tried to spit it out. But it was no use. 9 inches of hot, hard, Kenyan rooster raced up and down his throat. After just a few minutes of this, Donald gagged so hard that the crew began to worry if he was okay. After catching his breath, Hillary sat on his face and had the other men whip Donald on his legs until he started working his mouth on her wrinkly clit just how she liked. She began to moan, and the rest of the democrats plus Jeb! began furiously masturbating.
Finally, she was satisfied. She stood up, hobbled over to a bar stool, and told the boys, "He's all yours. I'm not as nimble as I once was."
The men wasted no time. They raced to see who could cum fastest. Obama shot first, having already been prepped by Donald. His sticky load rand down Donald's cheek and into his eye. Jeb! and Bill were neck and neck: Jeb! had his relative youth, but years of dicking bimbos in and out of the Oval Office had prepared Bill for just this task. They finally shot near-simultaneously, and agreed that it was a tie. Their "reward" was that they got to clean up.
As Bill and Jeb! licked the ejaculate, oil, and spray tan concoction off of donald's beet-red face, Hillary snapped a photo on a disposable camera. "This was better than that time with the Bushes!" She said. "Too bad Pence was a hoo-ha and cancelled on us."
Finally, Hillary walked over and ripped off the tape form Donald's rooster. Cum oozed out and he felt immense relief.
Donald was cleaned up and the boys had left. It was just him and Hill. He was no longer crying. She put her hand on his bare thigh. "Donald, you're no failure. I hope you know that. I don't think so anyway." She said.
"Really?"
"Of course! Just look at the size of your rallies, look at how dedicated your fanbase was! And at 70! By God, they don't call you nimble for nothing!"
Donald sniffed characteristically and chuckled. "Ya know, Hill, you're right." He said. "I bet my dad would be real proud."
"Oh, definitely Donald! Don't be so hard on yourself. All that talk was just a part of the act. It's tradition! I didn't mean a word of it. You should've seen what we got Dan Quayle to say!"
Donald sniffed again and put an arm around Hillary. She leaned in and kissed him on the lips, and he returned the motion.
Clinton pulled away slowly, and then whispered into his ear, "I love you, Donald."
He locked eyes with her, and knew he felt the same.
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Jesus. This thread has been pretty miserable for its entire existence, but the last three posts have plumbed appalling new depths. At least Badger had the decency to do it in greentext which is pretty much shorthand these days for "14 year olds still exploring the novelty of the parental lock being taken off their computer" and can therefore be safely ignored.
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I'm hard as diamonds right now
Fyp.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEEgplXwNWk
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http://www.wsj.com/graphics/elections/2016/million-donors/
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Comey cleared Clinton again days after sending the political world into a frenzy over what turns out to be nothing.
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Comey cleared Clinton again days after sending the political world into a frenzy over what turns out to be nothing.
Comey has played a smart game though. If Trump wins he keeps his job because he did more to damage her than anyone else, if Clinton wins he keeps his job because if she fires him she'll get accused of taking petty revenge.
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Comey cleared Clinton again days after sending the political world into a frenzy over what turns out to be nothing.
It's only fair, considering there's enough in the DNC leaks to send the political world into a frenzy, yet have resulted in nothing.
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Comey has played a smart game though. If Trump wins he keeps his job because he did more to damage her than anyone else, if Clinton wins he keeps his job because if she fires him she'll get accused of taking petty revenge.
I disagree. I think he's done enough harm to the FBI's reputation that he gets canned either way now.
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I disagree. I think he's done enough harm to the FBI's reputation that he gets canned either way now.
I'm sure he'll fall on hard times for about 30 minutes before he gets a cushy consulting job.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EY0jgDvIMog&ebc=ANyPxKre0M4OY8oNhZJLkJvz6FRKagZeQADmfrLfJL87gjNIoaWr42Fyle03aT7Ny-9s2wW35ozaeUlZaT7oVwYCDgVTdhBBUw&time_continue=30
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Voter ID laws iz racist doe
https://youtu.be/rrBxZGWCdgs
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EY0jgDvIMog&ebc=ANyPxKre0M4OY8oNhZJLkJvz6FRKagZeQADmfrLfJL87gjNIoaWr42Fyle03aT7Ny-9s2wW35ozaeUlZaT7oVwYCDgVTdhBBUw&time_continue=30
Hahahha I saw this last night at the bar.
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get hype
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get hype
I think we have different definitions of hype
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I think we have different definitions of hype
perhaps...but I've got my popcorn ready.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4chsf_8v0xk
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The general public thinks my office is closed on Election Day, so they don't come in. It's pretty great.
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The general public thinks my office is closed on Election Day, so they don't come in. It's pretty great.
I am going to bus in a bunch of geriatrics to bother your lazy gubment cheese derriere.
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I am going to bus in a bunch of geriatrics to bother your lazy gubment cheese derriere.
Just put an A-frame outside saying "POLLING STATION".
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Any predictions on delegate counts yet? Guessing it's still too early
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Any predictions on delegate counts yet? Guessing it's still too early
I know it's Drudge, but got this so far:
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I'm voting for the Obama 3-Peat
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Why are the parties represented by a donkey and an elephant? Seems like slightly strange iconography.
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Why are the parties represented by a donkey and an elephant? Seems like slightly strange iconography.
Because it shows how outdated and archaic our political parties are, and even after many years they're exactly the freaking same
Which is why in 100 years abortion gay marriage and Healthcare will still probably still be the big topic issues
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Why are the parties represented by a donkey and an elephant? Seems like slightly strange iconography.
Because we're all jackasses and fat fucks in America
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I'm voting for the Obama 3-Peat
You and Tommy both have Trump fat heads on the wall and are sitting on the couch with those big foam fingers cheering the coverage. We all know it.
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You and Tommy both have Trump fat heads on the wall and are sitting on the couch with those big foam fingers cheering the coverage. We all know it.
I'm an Independent/Democrat. Don't worry I'm not voting for Trump
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I'm an Independent/Democrat. Don't worry I'm not voting for Trump
Haha I was joking I know you just talk excrement on here.
Even Tommy doesn't love Trump that much, he just fantasizes about evolving to that level of whatever he thinks is good about Trump.
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Because it shows how outdated and archaic our political parties are, and even after many years they're exactly the freaking same
Which is why in 100 years abortion gay marriage and Healthcare will still probably still be the big topic issues
HEY! The elephant is a noble creature and the donkey is..... hmm
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HEY! The elephant is a noble creature and the donkey is..... hmm
Donkeys are surprisingly badass. They're used by farmers to guard cattle from coyotes.
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It's only fair, considering there's enough in the DNC leaks to send the political world into a frenzy, yet have resulted in nothing.
Oh lord , this x 100
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Any predictions on delegate counts
pain
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TRUMP IS WINNING
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I'm an Independent/Democrat. Don't worry I'm not voting for Trump
freaking Hillary shill
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freaking Hillary shill
freak u bro I'm MAGA
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I am going to bus in a bunch of geriatrics to bother your lazy gubment cheese derriere.
It's not the old people who clog up the works...
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Looks highly probable Clinton wins
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I am going to party so hard if Trump wins
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When the Wall goes up, im applying for the Lord Commander position
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When the Wall goes up, im applying for the Lord Commander position
My application is ready for VP of Memeology and Pepe Sharing
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Looks highly probable Clinton wins
A hell of a lot less probable than polls showed the last few days and especially this morning
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A hell of a lot less probable than polls showed the last few days and especially this morning
Let me correct myself, Hillary is probably sweating
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Let me correct myself, Hillary is probably sweating
As long as she wins she can sweat like a whore in church for the next four years
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As long as she wins she can sweat like a whore in church for the next four years
As it stands Trump is leading in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, and Wisconsin.. that's BAD news for Hill Dog
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Also when Trump wins I expect apologies from the cucks who called me a retard
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Gary Johnson completely disappeared on election day
Hes getting 2% ish across the board
I cant believe Trump's taking all these battleground states or leading them
Hes actually spanking her in Ohio even though only 50% of votes are in
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Gary Johnson completely disappeared on election day
Hes getting 2% ish across the board
I cant believe Trump's taking all these battleground states or leading them
Hes actually spanking her in Ohio even though only 50% of votes are in
Looks highly probable Clinton wins
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Tommy is gonna blow a few grand at Rick's tonight
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No one has won a state that they weren't expected to yet.
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Gary Johnson completely disappeared on election day
Hes getting 2% ish across the board
The propaganda worked.
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No one has won a state that they weren't expected to yet.
The Viriginia and Ohio thing are both huge though.
Virginia being this close could really be telling
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Holy freak this website is bugging
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The guy controlling the board for CNN discussing poll numbers is excellent. Not familiar with him but he's been on point. Now if Wolf Blitzer could just shut the freak up it'd be better.
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-Trump's not a serious candidate
-Trump will be out by October
-Trump will never win a single primary
-Trump has a ceiling of 25%
-Trump has a ceiling of 30%
-Trump has a ceiling of 35%
-Trump has a ceiling of 45%
-Trump will never win the south
-Trump can't win with evangelicals
-Trump will never be accepted by the party
-Trump will never be the nominee
-Trump will never win the general
-Trump can't really build a wall<~~ you are now here
-Trump can't extend Hillary's prison sentence to 120 years
-Trump can't negotiate the release of Half Life 3
-Trump can't expect the President of China to sign an unconditional surrender on the deck of the USS Nimitz
-Trump cannot get re-elected
-Trump can't be the fifth face on Mount Rushmore
-Trump can't be all five faces on Mount Trumpmore
-Trump can't run and win the 3rd term, can he?
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Holy freak
New York Times election predictor now has Trump at 82% to win.
Of course it had Hillary Clinton at 85% this morning...
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can't stump
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How in the hell is this happening that our country is about to elect Donald trump?
Sweet Jesus our country is a bigger mess than I ever thought possible
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I'll eat crow right now as I thought he was guaranteed to get absolutely annihilated.
I didn't think he would even be competitive this truly is freaking crazy.
The only really good thing that I think could come of Trump getting elected. Is it could cause politicians to shake things up, and maybe result into new life into a excrement political system.
Well the other good thing is watching the tears of Clinton and all the people who support her
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oh my god
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Stock market futures went down over 500 points as soon as Trump started doing well. It could really take a major hit when and if he wins
Trump is an uncertainty, and the stock market doesn't like that
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Stock market futures went down over 500 points as soon as Trump started doing well. It could really take a major hit when and if he wins
Trump is an uncertainty, and the stock market doesn't like that
Badger and I are buying all the pork bellies
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The Daily Show is actually funny right now, everyone is completely baffled
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My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the results tonight. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the freaking freak is she losing? This can't be happening. I'm having a freaking breakdown. I don't want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want Hillary to be president and fix this broken country. I cannot freaking deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought she was polling well in Michigan???? This is so fucked.
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You know who won the Michigan Democratic primary? Bernie Sanders.
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My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the results tonight. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the freaking freak is she losing? This can't be happening. I'm having a freaking breakdown. I don't want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want Hillary to be president and fix this broken country. I cannot freaking deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought she was polling well in Michigan???? This is so fucked.
Kek <= This one
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You know who won the Michigan Democratic primary? Bernie Sanders.
Sanders did extremely well in the states that are competitive in the general. Sanders vs Trump would have had an extremely different demographic split than now - the upper midwest and rural districts would have looked completely different.
It's amazing how much power low education low income rural voters have in this country. From Senate distribution to electoral college makeup to House of Reps districting, the rural vote basically has a stranglehold on the political system.
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I'm already looking forward to Trump vs. Clooney in 2020.
Affleck vs. Clooney in 2024.
I'm sure at some point one of those Kardashians will run.
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Sanders did extremely well in the states that are competitive in the general. Sanders vs Trump would have had an extremely different demographic split than now - the upper midwest and rural districts would have looked completely different.
It's amazing how much power low education low income rural voters have in this country. From Senate distribution to electoral college makeup to House of Reps districting, the rural vote basically has a stranglehold on the political system.
I mean the urban vote is probably even more important...
The Republicans have a laundry list of battleground states they absolutely must win or they lose the election, because the left basically gets California NY and NJ and a freak ton of electoral points handed to them.
This election is more about Hillary being so unlikable that shes losing virtually every single battleground state
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The SCOTUS is going to be so fucked. We will be regressing legally for pretty much the rest of our lives.
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The SCOTUS is going to be so fucked. We will be regressing legally for pretty much the rest of our lives.
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Arent they going to be replacing a republican with a republican ? How would things be fucked ?
Lets also not forget that Trump is probably more socially liberal than any republican president of our lifetime.
Which means whoever he picks could probably be better than who someone Bush did
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Sanders did extremely well in the states that are competitive in the general. Sanders vs Trump would have had an extremely different demographic split than now - the upper midwest and rural districts would have looked completely different.
It's amazing how much power low education low income rural voters have in this country. From Senate distribution to electoral college makeup to House of Reps districting, the rural vote basically has a stranglehold on the political system.
They have power because they have numbers. Ergo, the problem is the number of low education, low income individuals. I wonder which candidate would have had the interests of these people at the forefront of their campaign. Hmm.
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I'm already looking forward to Trump vs. Clooney in 2020.
Affleck vs. Clooney in 2024.
I'm sure at some point one of those Kardashians will run.
Does Kanye count as a Kardashian?
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Arent they going to be replacing a republican with a republican ? How would things be fucked ?
Lets also not forget that Trump is probably more socially liberal than any republican president of our lifetime.
Which means whoever he picks could probably be better than who someone Bush did
Nah bro, he's gonna round up all the gays and gas them. /s
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Does Kanye count as a Kardashian?
We already had a black president, so that wouldnt be hip anymore.
The left needs something new to nominate. Maybe a hispanic or homosexual
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We already had a black president, so that wouldnt be hip anymore.
The left needs something new to nominate. Maybe a hispanic or homosexual
They should try nominating a liberal next time.
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We already had a black president, so that wouldnt be hip anymore.
The left needs something new to nominate. Maybe a hispanic or homosexual
Celebrity actor/activist.
Clooney '20!
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Does Kanye count as a Kardashian?
Jay-Z will run before him.
He'll lose to Blake Shelton in 2028 though. Uneducated vote comes through again vs. urban vote.
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Celebrity actor/activist.
Clooney '20!
I mean the Republicans have had at least two of those so wont cut it
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I mean the Republicans have had at least two of those so wont cut it
He's more likable than Alec Baldwin so it's Clooney or bust.
What a country!
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I mean the urban vote is probably even more important...
No - because urban votes are so concentrated, Hillary will win by huge portions in highly populated 'blue' states with big cities, but lose by small margins in less populated areas. And due to how the electoral college is calculated, low density states get more electoral college votes per eligible voter.
Hillary is likely to lose the election, and win the popular vote. If you recall Gore also won the popular vote in 2000 - same general theory held true then.
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At the end of the day can we all just say that 4 years from now we are replacing whomever is elected tonight?
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At the end of the day can we all just say that 4 years from now we are replacing whomever is elected tonight?
I think it's safe to say you can't say anything certain about anything anymore.
This country really doesn't like Clinton, that's what these results say, win or lose.
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They should try nominating a liberal next time.
There comes a point where centrist after centrist after centrist irredeemably drains enthusiasm and activism. I just didn't see it coming now, with the gender dynamics at play this election cycle.
2018 is going to be even more brutal for Democrats at the national level. A real populist could do wonders in 2020.
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There comes a point where centrist after centrist after centrist irredeemably drains enthusiasm and activism. I just didn't see it coming now, with the gender dynamics at play this election cycle.
2018 is going to be even more brutal for Democrats at the national level. A real populist could do wonders in 2020.
It would be completely inexcusable for the Dems to have another poor midterm showing in 2018. Not that it won't happen, but still.
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What this country needs is a legitimate third or fourth party
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I don't understand how anyone can say Johnson took votes away from Clinton. His views, for the most part, are more in line with Trump than anything.
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What this country needs is a legitimate third or fourth party
As long as corporate/big business campaign contributions are the primary funding for elections, it'll never happen. Never.
The only hope is a really dynamic candidate who's not affiliated with either major party who captures this country's puny, tiny attention spans at the exact right time.
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I don't understand how anyone can say Johnson took votes away from Clinton. His views, for the most part, are more in line with Trump than anything.
You're 100% right. Most of GJ's votes are from fiscal conservatives who couldn't stand Trump, or Romney in 2012.
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It would be completely inexcusable for the Dems to have another poor midterm showing in 2018. Not that it won't happen, but still.
The Obama 2012 Senators will be up for grabs in 2018. Democrats will essentially have 25 seats to defend, Republicans will have 8.
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As long as corporate/big business campaign contributions are the primary funding for elections, it'll never happen. Never.
The only hope is a really dynamic candidate who's not affiliated with either major party who captures this country's puny, tiny attention spans at the exact right time.
Gee, who does that remind me of?
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Gee, who does that remind me of?
*cough, cough* Clooney
I know Trump is running as a Republican, but he's more of a Conservative than anything.
I really fear for this country's future. And, it's not just politics.
Idiocracy
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I for one can't wait for Trump to plop his girth onto the podium on January 20th and tell the leaders of ISIS to suck his rooster
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*cough, cough* Clooney
I know Trump is running as a Republican, but he's more of a Conservative than anything.
I really fear for this country's future. And, it's not just politics.
Idiocracy
I don't think you can accurately label Trump as anything, he's kind of a mishmash of different ideas slapped together.
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I Fuckn told you guys!
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I Fuckn told you guys!
Same, a few posters owe me an apology
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Holy crap, she might lose Pennsylvania. It's good night, Irene, if that happens.
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I for one can't wait for Trump to plop his girth onto the podium on January 20th and tell the leaders of ISIS to suck his rooster
The word schlonged might be involved.
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This dude is going from Celebrity Apprentice to President of the US.
WOOOOOW
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If she made Bernie her running mate, I don't think any of this happens. Those 2 must just hate each other.
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Can you imagine the day Obama has to hand the keys to the country over to Trump after all the excrement they said about each other? This excrement is crazy. Fat lady is warming up her voice in back. I think it's that Steelers fan lady from the tailgate game.
Tomorrow won't be boring....
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Cuban vs Trump will be a fascinating election in 4 years.
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If she made Bernie her running mate, I don't think any of this happens. Those 2 must just hate each other.
She was never going to select him. Kaine was the pick long before they announced it.
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In other news, Johnson and Stein have tripled their respective vote counts from 2012. Good on them.
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If Bernie wasn't kucked out of the DNC do you think he takes this election?
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She was never going to select him. Kaine was the pick long before they announced it.
I still think it was a big mistake. I honestly couldn't believe the reaction he got at the DNC.
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If Bernie wasn't kucked out of the DNC do you think he takes this election?
Yes.
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Arent they going to be replacing a republican with a republican ? How would things be fucked ?
Lets also not forget that Trump is probably more socially liberal than any republican president of our lifetime.
Which means whoever he picks could probably be better than who someone Bush did
Two liberal judges are way past their expiration date.
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Two liberal judges are way past their expiration date.
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RBG might actually die of grief after tonight.
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Funny watching Hollywood freak out. Moving to Canada.....blah blah. I'm not a Trump ot Hillary guy, but still.
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Senate and House are going to be Republican too, right?
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Senate and House are going to be Republican too, right?
I would check 538 but they have no idea what they're talking about
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Funny watching Hollywood freak out. Moving to Canada.....blah blah. I'm not a Trump ot Hillary guy, but still.
There's plenty of room up in the Yukon.
#Klondike
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Senate and House are going to be Republican too, right?
House yes, Senate is a toss up
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I voted Johnson, I can't stand wither of these 2 douchebags, it's weird I am not happy Trump is going to win but I am not unhappy either. Frankly, I don't give 2 shits either way, I think most people are freaking stupid.
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The dude on CNN with the vote count has made this night bearable. He's actually decent to watch.
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The dude on CNN with the vote count has made this night bearable. He's actually decent to watch.
Yeah I like King. He puts up with Wolf's excrement very well.
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Yeah I like King. He puts up with Wolf's excrement very well.
There so much freaking noise from the idiots on the dais, I didn't even bother to listen to his name. I probably should have. Yes, that guy has done a very good job dealing with all the idiots for sure.
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Btw I Fuckn told you guys so since last summer.
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Tommy is Randy from South Park tonight
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http://gizmodo.com/these-people-were-dumb-enough-to-threaten-the-life-of-a-1788726527
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http://gizmodo.com/these-people-were-dumb-enough-to-threaten-the-life-of-a-1788726527
See you in jail Andrew Ryan
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Guardian called PA for Trump, it's over
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Reptilian freak John Podesta pandering to the crowd at Clinton HQ
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This black guy on CNN is on the verge of having a melt down
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Guardian called PA for Trump, it's over
These Fuckn US networks want the ratings. Christ just announce it.
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This black guy on CNN is on the verge of having a melt down
Van Jones's bullshit about how he has to explain to his kids how a bigot can be president was so stupid.
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The Trump campaign guy is an equal to or bigger queynte than Van Jones. He really needs a broken jaw.
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Guys I am calling the election now, Trump won.
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See you in jail Andrew Ryan
I'd never threaten someone's life unless I intended on following through on the threat.
I hope you enjoy your last night on Earth.
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For the first time in my life, I feel ashamed for being an American.
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The Trump campaign guy is an equal to or bigger queynte than Van Jones. He really needs a broken jaw.
Yeah he's coming off very poorly. I can imagine a lot of people on Trump's camp feel vindicated though and want to rub it in people's faces. Look back on this thread and reread the comments about Trump not conceding the election. People gave him a ton of excrement for it and Clinton/Podesta basically just did the same.
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Clinton conceded
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MAGA
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Van Jones's bullshit about how he has to explain to his kids how a bigot can be president was so stupid.
Van Jones was a Bernie guy so he gets a lifetime pass from me.
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We managed to elect a bigger joke than G.W. Bravo.
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Well Democrats that's what happens when you put up an unlikeable queynte as your candidate. Nobody likes that bitch, her own husband doesn't even sleep in a bed with her. Maybe just maybe we will start to see some better candidates in the future. If there was a reasonable person against Trump he would have been destroyed as well, make no mistake, he's an asshat, most of America except Tommy realize that but hated him less than that queynte. The next 4 years should be interesting.
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We managed to elect a bigger joke than G.W. Bravo.
You're a cool guy
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freak it I am going to watch the Karate Kid, I have watched two Presidential speeches since Reagan, (9/11 and Killing Osama) this won't be one of them.
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Embarrassing and sad day for our nation. Elected a leader with no idea how to handle world affairs, with a history of sexist and racist behavior. And Mike Pence, who is just a horrible person as well.
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freak it I am going to watch the Karate Kid, I have watched two Presidential speeches since Reagan, (9/11 and Killing Osama) this won't be one of them.
FFS toughen up and respect democracy.
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Embarrassing and sad day for our nation. Elected a leader with no idea how to handle world affairs, with a history of sexist and racist behavior. And Mike Pence, who is just a horrible person as well.
It's not embarrassing, what's embarrassing was having a more unlikeable lady garden run against quite possibly the worst candidate in history. A decent candidate and Trump is beaten soundly. She was not a decent candidate.
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FFS toughen up and respect democracy.
I totally respect it, he won. I don't like him and as such won't listen to him ever. I never have and never will.
BTW wax on.
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Well Democrats that's what happens when you put up an unlikeable queynte as your candidate. Nobody likes that bitch, her own husband doesn't even sleep in a bed with her. Maybe just maybe we will start to see some better candidates in the future. If there was a reasonable person against Trump he would have been destroyed as well, make no mistake, he's an asshat, most of America except Tommy realize that but hated him less than that queynte. The next 4 years should be interesting.
It didn't matter who they put against Hillary, the Clinton machine/DNC manufactured the result. freak Hillary, I'm glad she lost. Corruption is the worst thing you can have in government.
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Incompetence is so much better.
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Incompetence is so much better.
Especially when it's combined with corruptness.
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Again, as 'embarrassing' as this is, Trump did not win the popular vote. As bad of a candidate Hillary was, the majority of the country recognized that Trump was worse.
The entire concept of the primary system being outdated is on full display in this election, on both sides of the aisle. Reform to the basic ways in which democracy is conducted in this country would be an amazing thing to come out of this process.
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Incredible day of history.
I recall when Ronald Regan was elected that their was a maelstrom of angst and derision.
History will recount that Dutch was a statesman of the highest quality and a steady hand on the tiller in a very turbulent time in the world.
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It didn't matter who they put against Hillary, the Clinton machine/DNC manufactured the result. freak Hillary, I'm glad she lost. Corruption is the worst thing you can have in government.
I am not unhappy she lost, I don't like the winner.
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Incompetence is so much better.
The President is a puppet. People act like one man/woman stands up there pulling levers and pushing buttons that make America tick.
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Especially when it's combined with corruptness.
Yeah, but Trump is incompetent at being corrupt, which basically means he's not corrupt at all!
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And now Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie and Newt Gingrich will have key roles in government.
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Comparing some numbers, which I want to go into deeper detail on tomorrow...
Based on the Google tracker the voter turnout is somewhere around ~118M for this election. In 2012 it was 129M. Did we actually have significantly lower turnout or are there remaining uncounted votes in the states not material to the final call?
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Incredible day of history.
I recall when Ronald Regan was elected that their was a maelstrom of angst and derision.
History will recount that Dutch was a statesman of the highest quality and a steady hand on the tiller in a very turbulent time in the world.
... If you are forewarning Iran-Contra style dealings coming out of the Trump administration, I won't argue with you at all.
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Again, as 'embarrassing' as this is, Trump did not win the popular vote. As bad of a candidate Hillary was, the majority of the country recognized that Trump was worse.
The entire concept of the primary system being outdated is on full display in this election, on both sides of the aisle. Reform to the basic ways in which democracy is conducted in this country would be an amazing thing to come out of this process.
Well, he didn't lose the popular vote either, he won with a plurality instead of a majority.
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I've been saying this often but everyone is freaking out.. everyone will wake up tomorroe, and on January 20, and everything will be the same.
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Well, he didn't lose the popular vote either, he won with a plurality instead of a majority.
In response to both this post and your previous one, Cali is only reporting ~50%. It looks like record breaking turnout - and I actually do trust the projections (http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president) that have Trump winning 300+ electoral votes but losing by around 1% nationally.
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That was by far the nicest string of sentences Trump has put together since the campaign began.
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I've been saying this often but everyone is freaking out.. everyone will wake up tomorroe, and on January 20, and everything will be the same.
Correct, an overturned Roe v Wade will not have any direct impact on the members of this forum in particular.
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Correct, an overturned Roe v Wade will not have any direct impact on the members of this forum in particular.
Doubt it
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Doubt it
That will not happen.
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I've had enough for the night. Gonna wake up to a GREAT day in a few hours.
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That will not happen.
He already said he would appoint a supreme court justice who would do that.
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That was by far the nicest string of sentences Trump has put together since the campaign began.
I'm actually looking forward to infrastructure bills actually getting pushed through a Congress that isn't hung up on partisan idiocy. I do believe Trump is completely earnest about public infrastructure, and if that's where his focus ends up I'll be genuinely thrilled.
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He already said he would appoint a supreme court justice who would do that.
If he did that, the exact opposite of what happened today will happen. There will be a groundswell against that decision. It's constitutional law now. Anyway, it's all predicated on more than the one SCOTUS vacancy.
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Anyone think Trump is really going to try to have Hillary arrested?
I'm just glad I don't have to watch liberal douche bags gloating the next two weeks ok social media
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Well that was hilarious.
The butthurt is strong today
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I said it last night and I'll say it again. The arrogance of the Democratic Party is what lost this election. They figured it was a slam dunk, it should have because Trump should have beaten himself, and they had Sanders there to be running mate the entire time. It's clear the disconnect between him and Clinton is immense and it's gonna cost them 4 years.
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Anyone think Trump is really going to try to have Hillary arrested?
I'm just glad I don't have to watch liberal douche bags gloating the next two weeks ok social media
LOCK HER UP
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I still think it was a big mistake. I honestly couldn't believe the reaction he got at the DNC.
i thought the reaction he received at the dnc was one that could be seen from a mile away. maybe it's just the people i know but in real life almost everybody i knew personally was a very big bernie fan. out of all i interacted with, i literally only met ONE person who supported hilary lol. i was really baffled at how she still came away the winner against bernie in the democratic primaries. then the hack came out that showed the corruption regarding the DNC and it all made sense.
plus, if you have any social media accounts, over the past year it was basically a bombardment of how great bernie sanders was, he was really loved. compare the reaction to bernie vs the reaction of disenchantment at the DNC when hilary was being talked about as the democratic candidate, it's all you need to know that this election and the political process in america in general is a farce and is a joke
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i'm totally bummed about what happened, the worst part is i've been sleep deprived for the past 3 weeks and couldn't sleep last night because of how distraught i was about all this, and i had to be up at 4:30 anyways to get to the hospital lol, but honestly (and i hate to say this), this election is EXACTLY what america deserved.
this country is filled with inactive, misinformed people who like to act like socially aware political 'activists' on social media accounts without actually doing anything to be a part of the political process in the real world. people like to hit the like or share buttons on facebook, but then they don't go out and vote for whom they like in the primaries. they don't go out and vote in the smaller, local elections, which IMO are just as important (and arguably have more of an impact) as the presidential election in determining the laws and the country we live in today. by the time they actually go out and vote, which was freaking last night, things have already been taken out of their hands, things have already been decided.
our citizens are too comfortable, they are just too pacifist to actually enact change and elect the leaders that our country needs. i really want to highlight this point because to me it perfectly highlights how powerless we make ourselves in this entire process: we had blatant, blatant freaking evidence that the DNC was corrupt and favored HRC, making sure that our favorite bernie would not get the nomination. the few in the DNC who found themselves in powerful, elite positions were able to impose their will on the rest of us and get their candidate nominated, a very weak, unlikable candidate who spent more time clamoring that we should vote for her because she is a woman and because trump sucks than she actually did convincing us that she is what our country needs.
what did we do about that corruption, that the primaries were rigged to make sure bernie wouldn't win no matter how much we wanted him? we did nothing, nothing, even though the evidence was there for all to see, it wasn't just conspiracy or conjecture. we just rode with it. the dnc saw that they could do whatever they wanted regarding this election, and we the majority wouldn't do anything about it. not only that, after the email leaks DWS actually felt no pressure AT ALL to step down as head of the DNC despite the fact that we all knew of the biases in play during the democratic primaries, it took a freaking phone call from obama for her to actually step down lol, and after she did so, her punishment was to get a spot in hilary's campaign lmao. how many times will our fake politically active citizens get owned before we actually do anything about it? we should have created an uproar about the corruption that was present in the DNC, but we didnt.
the few in the DNC got who they wanted, ahead of bernie, and their weak candidate just lost to arguably the worst presidential candidate of all time. there is no doubt that if bernie was the nominee, he would have trounced that fool. the fact that bernie wasn't there was largely our fault. we let this happen. people will blame 3rd party voters or those who didn't vote, but that is a freaking cop out. this is the fault of all of the racist, bigoted rural hicks in this country, but this is largely our fault too. we should have done whatever we could to try to make the DNC realize they couldn't just walk all over us the way they had been and try to get bernie to where he should be, but we didnt
people will say that we lost this country/election last night, but it happened long ago, it happened long before that.
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The amount of women that voted for Trump is the most stunning thing of all this.
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In retrospect it's pretty freaking hideous how the Democrats ran their actual campaign. Instead of taking Trump to task on his bullshit claims about bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, instead of saying "sorry, but that ship sailed with automation and the handing of power to corporate America, but here's how we can actually shape the country anew", they spent their entire time telling people who were and are legitimately concerned about the loss of jobs that they were sexists and racists if they vote for the only guy promising to get them their jobs back. Even if he had no way of doing it, at least he was talking to their actual concerns.
Bernie Sanders is a Second Amendment supporting champion of the working people. He might not have been so popular with the liberal elite at the DNC but I'm damn sure he'd have connected better with the blue collar voters of Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Iowa who handed the keys to the White House to Trump.
I think it's extremely unpleasant to think about what complete Republican control with Trump as the puppet at the top will do to American society, but not being American it doesn't directly impact me, and I am freaking petrified about potential foreign policy moves. I am though looking forward to seeing what he'll do with TPP and NAFTA, because I think the former would be a disaster for Canada and the latter potentially helps me out on a personal level.
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Jesus, people need to toughen up. I didn't want the guy to win, but no reason to puss out and cry that we are all going to die, country is going to dissolve, race wars, California succession, etc. Good Lord, toughen up and get through it. This is America, we'll be fine. Will life be perfect? No, but it wouldnt have been either way. Not saying you should be happy about it if you wanted a different outcome, but the hyperbolic drama is a bit ridiculous. I'm not talking about people that are upset, I'm talking about people that have completely lost their excrement over it.
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Jesus, people need to toughen up. I didn't want the guy to win, but no reason to puss out and cry that we are all going to die, country is going to dissolve, race wars, California succession, etc. Good Lord, toughen up and get through it. This is America, we'll be fine. Will life be perfect? No, but it wouldnt have been either way. Not saying you should be happy about it if you wanted a different outcome, but the hyperbolic drama is a bit ridiculous.
Speak for yourself I had to dodge 4 nuclear bombs on my drive to work today. I made up for it by telling my Dominican coworkers to pack their excrement and GTFO so it's not all bad
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I don't have commentary on the election other than I repeatedly said this was going to be a very close result--far closer than anyone gave it a chance to be.
Hat tip to Pope and Tommy too.
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In retrospect it's pretty freaking hideous how the Democrats ran their actual campaign. Instead of taking Trump to task on his bullshit claims about bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, instead of saying "sorry, but that ship sailed with automation and the handing of power to corporate America, but here's how we can actually shape the country anew", they spent their entire time telling people who were and are legitimately concerned about the loss of jobs that they were sexists and racists if they vote for the only guy promising to get them their jobs back. Even if he had no way of doing it, at least he was talking to their actual concerns.
You nailed it. People were pissed off at the media and the loud liberals constantly telling them how they should think. The more they called him and his supporters bigots, the more it galvanized them to vote for him.
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You're grossly underestimating the number of people who don't like Hillary. She may be beating Trump in nationwide phone polls, but I'm willing to bet that the majority of people who say they're voting for Trump will actually head to the polls. People who like him really like him. There are some who really like Hillary, but I don't see the others going out of their way to go to the polls for her, despite saying they support her over Trump.
Why do you do this to yourself?
Because I was right?
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Because I was right?
Ehhh you're at 50% counting 2012.
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Jesus, people need to toughen up. I didn't want the guy to win, but no reason to puss out and cry that we are all going to die, country is going to dissolve, race wars, California succession, etc. Good Lord, toughen up and get through it. This is America, we'll be fine. Will life be perfect? No, but it wouldnt have been either way. Not saying you should be happy about it if you wanted a different outcome, but the hyperbolic drama is a bit ridiculous. I'm not talking about people that are upset, I'm talking about people that have completely lost their excrement over it.
People with preexisting medical conditions who have relied on Obamacare to have insurance and gay people who are terrified of Pence being in charge of 'domestic policy' are the two groups on my FB that are freaking out the most. I can't say that I feel like telling them to suck it up.
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"He doesn't really have any business sense."
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"He doesn't really have any business sense."
How does spending per electoral vote denote being business savvy? That makes no sense bro, especially looking at the charts for both candidates.
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How does spending per electoral vote denote being business savvy? That makes no sense bro, especially looking at the charts for both candidates.
ROI, my friend. ROI.
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I can't understate how much this election cycle has made me hate that queynte Ana Navaro. I don't know how that woman is on TV or how she actually teaches political science at a major university.
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People with preexisting medical conditions who have relied on Obamacare to have insurance and gay people who are terrified of Pence being in charge of 'domestic policy' are the two groups on my FB that are freaking out the most. I can't say that I feel like telling them to suck it up.
Fair enough. I guess I was being dramatic about being dramatic.
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People with preexisting medical conditions who have relied on Obamacare to have insurance and gay people who are terrified of Pence being in charge of 'domestic policy' are the two groups on my FB that are freaking out the most. I can't say that I feel like telling them to suck it up.
He always said that he was going to repeal Obamacare and come up with something that doesn't have premiums that are set to balloon in a year. He's not against the idea outright, and never claimed to be.
Second, he never promised to repeal abortion or gay marriage, so he has no real incentive to carry through with any of that in order to get re-elected. He ran on a jobs and security platform, and as long as he delivers on both, he'll be fine. Maybe appointing a judge that will ensure no changes to the second amendment is entirely possible, considering he promised that, but repealing Roe v Wade or the Federal Gay Marriage laws would be extremely unpopular as well as almost impossible.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/clinton-loss-women-politics/index.html
I don't get it, are we a racist country or a sexist one, or both? We just got done with two terms of the first African American president, and now we're a sexist country because we didn't elect a woman who people didn't like as President.
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Second, he never promised to repeal abortion or gay marriage, so he has no real incentive to carry through with any of that in order to get re-elected. He ran on a jobs and security platform, and as long as he delivers on both, he'll be fine. Maybe appointing a judge that will ensure no changes to the second amendment is entirely possible, considering he promised that, but repealing Roe v Wade or the Federal Gay Marriage laws would be extremely unpopular as well as almost impossible.
So what kinds of justices do you expect we'll see nominated for the Supreme court in a Trump presidency? Considering he explicitly stated he'd nominate justices to overturn Roe v Wade. Or, in literally his own words, Roe v Wade would be overturned "automatically" with his preferred justices.
He won white evangelicals by the highest margin of any nominee in over a decade because they believe in what he said on the campaign trail and what Pence has done as governor.
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He always said that he was going to repeal Obamacare and come up with something that doesn't have premiums that are set to balloon in a year. He's not against the idea outright, and never claimed to be.
What we know currently about President Trump's proposals
Key findings and conclusions: The policies would increase the number of uninsured individuals by 16 million to 25 million relative to the ACA. Coverage losses disproportionately affect low-income individuals and those in poor health. Enrollees with individual market insurance would face higher out-of-pocket spending than under current law. Because the proposed reforms do not replace the ACA’s financing mechanisms, they would increase the federal deficit by $0.5 billion to $41 billion.
Full text:
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2016/sep/trump-presidential-health-care-proposal
Study by the nonpartisan Commonwealth Fund (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Fund)
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Second, he never promised to repeal gay marriage,
President Trump swore to sign the 'First Amendment Defense Act.'
The ACLU describes the bill as follows:
it would:
allow federal contractors or grantees, including those that provide important social services like homeless shelters or drug treatment programs, to turn away LGBT people or anyone who has an intimate relationship outside of a marriage
let commercial landlords violate longstanding fair housing laws by refusing housing to a single mother based on the religious belief that sexual relations are properly reserved for marriage
permit a university to continue to receive federal financial assistance even when it fires an unmarried teacher simply for becoming pregnant
permit government employees to discriminate against married same-sex couples and their families - federal employees could refuse to process tax returns, visa applications, or Social Security checks for all married same-sex couples
allow businesses to discriminate by refusing to let gay or lesbian employees care for their sick spouse, in violation of family medical leave laws
It mirrors the anti-gay policy that Vice President Pence passed into law in Indiana.
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For all the people who are saying America is sexist. I'm curious how they're going to respond when Trump makes Sarah Palin one of the most powerful women on the planet.
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Also the people who are worrying about Trump with a Republican house, I think they're giving him too much credit. Maybe Pence could keep him on task, task, but you have to think there's a real chance Trump spends a significance portion of his presidency going to war with his own people
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For all the people who are saying America is sexist. I'm curious how they're going to respond when Trump makes Sarah Palin one of the most powerful women on the planet.
Don't you freaking dare
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http://cornellsun.com/2016/11/09/devastated-cornellians-mourn-election-of-donald-trump-at-cry-in/
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Don't you freaking dare
The Palin Trump cabinet romance has been mentioned quite a few times. And she seemed excited about the prospect so I think the odds are pretty solid
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Dow Jones finished with a 300 pt gain today. Huge swing from the 800 pt drop in futures last night.
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Dow Jones finished with a 300 pt gain today. Yuge swing from the 800 pt drop in futures last night.
FYP
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The Palin Trump cabinet romance has been mentioned quite a few times. And she seemed excited about the prospect so I think the odds are pretty solid
To be honest, that's far less concerning than the idea of Flynn running defense. He's an absolute freaking headcase.
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Also, you can probably kiss goodbye to net neutrality now.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/9/13579800/net-neutrality-donald-trump-election-open-internet
No wonder the Dow is up, that's probably on Verizon and Comcast shares alone.
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Dow Jones finished with a 300 pt gain today. Huge swing from the 800 pt drop in futures last night.
The Dow futures dropped because hoo-ha Asian investors know that the TPP is doomed.
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18-25 year old white kid protest underway in midtown.
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Harambe got 10,000+ votes
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18-25 year old white kid protest underway in midtown.
And Union Sq
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And Union Sq
It's 2004 all over again.
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Are they anti Trump protests?
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Are they anti Trump protests?
Take a wild guess
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Take a wild guess
It's either that or Harambe
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bunch of freaking fake useless wannabe activists. tell them its too freaking late for excrement like this, how the freak are they going to protest a freaking election donald won fair and square, if they really didn't want trump in office they should have been doing excrement like this long long ago instead of letting it all go on way too long and then spazzing out when things didn't turn out the way they wanted it to
jackasses
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Can't argue with that. Dems handed it to the Republicans. Reap what you've sown.
The time to be marching was months ago.
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Can't argue with that. Dems handed it to the Republicans. Reap what you've sown.
The time to be marching was months ago.
Or, you know, go out and vote. Voter turnout was down across the board amongst all the protestors' demographics.
Not sure if it's true or not, but I heard that for all his protests Colin Kaepernick didn't even vote.
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i am so so so freaking tired of this bullshit
americans as a whole have no freaking political pulse whatsoever but want to stunt like they are politically 'woke' any freaking chance they get not because they are actually following political convictions i highly freaking doubt they even possess, they are doing this excrement because they think its a cool thing to do and probably feel really freaking cool about themselves right now
i am sorry about all of these whiny posts recently, it's just i have felt really sore about the american political system for a long time and have felt the whole process to be farcical for years, last night's results vindicated those thoughts for me and last night was my freaking tipping point
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Christ, Trump probably can't even believe this himself.
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Or, you know, go out and vote. Voter turnout was down across the board amongst all the protestors' demographics.
Not sure if it's true or not, but I heard that for all his protests Colin Kaepernick didn't even vote.
Who was representing him? Trump won with fewer votes than Romney lost with. Turnout was down, period. That's what happens when you nominate shitty candidates that don't really represent anyone in the real world.
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i am so so so freaking tired of this bullshit
americans as a whole have no freaking political pulse whatsoever but want to stunt like they are politically 'woke' any freaking chance they get not because they are actually following political convictions i highly freaking doubt they even possess, they are doing this excrement because they think its a cool thing to do and probably feel really freaking cool about themselves right now
i am sorry about all of these whiny posts recently, it's just i have felt really sore about the american political system for a long time and have felt the whole process to be farcical for years, last night's results vindicated those thoughts for me and last night was my freaking tipping point
Where were the protests when they found out that the DNC intentionally screwed Bernie?
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Where were the protests when they found out that the DNC intentionally screwed Bernie?
thank you. this was exactly what i said in one of my other posts earlier in this thread
these protestors are freaking idiots
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Where were the protests when they found out that the DNC intentionally screwed Bernie?
That was my point.
Out of interest, I know you voted for Obama in '08 so I assume that your political affiliations are up for grabs to an extent. Who would you have voted for out of Trump and Sanders?
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Who was representing him? Trump won with fewer votes than Romney lost with. Turnout was down, period. That's what happens when you nominate shitty candidates that don't really represent anyone in the real world.
I don't disagree with you, but as I've said before Trump was the only one who had an actually following and had people rallying behind him. He won states that would normally go red because of the lower-middle class white voters that he spoke to the most. If they hated Trump so much why didn't they go out in droves for Hillary? Why protest now?
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That was my point.
Out of interest, I know you voted for Obama in '08 so I assume that your political affiliations are up for grabs to an extent. Who would you have voted for out of Trump and Sanders?
Actually it was 2012 because he killed Bin Laden and my financial situation was secure so didn't see any reason for a change.
I still would've voted Trump. I agree with some of Sanders' issues, but he's way too socialistic my tastes. His insistence on student loan forgiveness was a dealbreaker. I busted my derriere paying my way through school, why should some get a free pass?
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They're protesting in areas that are ridiculously democrat. Dswordz, not being whiny at all. Like you said, Where was this outrage when it could have meant something? They're protesting a legit democratic election.
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Tfw people protest the country becoming great again
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This is why everybody shits on millennials
http://www.weeklystandard.com/schools-offer-counseling-professors-postpone-exams-after-trump-win/article/2005314
A number of U.S. universities are giving students ample room to grieve in the wake of Donald Trump's election victory Wednesday.
Barnard, a women's liberal arts college based in New York City, has given professors the opportunity to cancel classes and is offering students counseling after the "heightened emotions" caused by the election.
"The Barnard faculty is well aware that you may be struggling, and they are here for you," read an email from the college president and dean, obtained by THE WEEKLY STANDARD.
The article goes on and on, but this is quite pathetic
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This is why everybody shits on millennials
http://www.weeklystandard.com/schools-offer-counseling-professors-postpone-exams-after-trump-wi
The article goes on and on, but this is quite pathetic
Seattle
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http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/aaron-sorkin-donald-trump-president-letter-daughter?intcid=inline_amp
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http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/aaron-sorkin-donald-trump-president-letter-daughter?intcid=inline_amp
Aaron Sorkin is a queynte. Trump hasn't even spent one day in office and he's predicting doom and gloom. Great example he's setting for his kids.
How about "Hey, your father doesn't agree with this guy and I think he's wrong for America, but he won and we'll see how it goes. That's how our system works."
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I agree with everything that he said.
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"I can't believe Trump won't accept the results of the election"
"I can't believe he got elected I won't accept the results of this election"
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Aaron Sorkin is a queynte. Trump hasn't even spent one day in office and he's predicting doom and gloom.
Should people ignore all of Trump's campaign promises because he was 'just campaigning'? Or shall we just pretend he didn't promise everything that he did? Why are Trump supporters unable to discuss the actual policies he says he wants to implement? Did you not know what they were?
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"I can't believe Trump won't accept the results of the election"
"I can't believe he got elected I won't accept the results of this election"
From 1992, the Democratic presidential nominee has only lost the presidential popular vote once, in 2004. In 2012, Democrats received 1.2 million more votes than Republicans running for House. Republicans won 33 more seats. Democrats who consistently vote are feeling frustrated by the way that representative democracy works.
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From 1992, the Democratic presidential nominee has only lost the presidential popular vote once, in 2004. In 2012, Democrats received 1.2 million more votes than Republicans running for House. Republicans won 33 more seats. Democrats who consistently vote are feeling frustrated by the way that representative democracy works.
There's no way of knowing who would have won the popular vote in a non-EC election as millions of Republicans in states like CA and NY and Democrats in states like TX don't bother to vote since they know it won't matter anyway, and the numbers of people who would now vote in safe states would definitely impact the winner of the popular vote.
Also just pointing out the general hypocrisy of people like that.
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There's no way of knowing who would have won the popular vote in a non-EC election as millions of Republicans in states like CA and NY and Democrats in states like TX don't bother to vote since they know it won't matter anyway, and the numbers of people who would now vote in safe states would definitely impact the winner of the popular vote
Of course, and campaigning would be conducted differently. It doesn't change the feeling that the plurality of the people in the country who actually voted - not hypothetically voted - will not be represented.
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Everyone calm down and have some tendies
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Actually it was 2012 because he killed Bin Laden and my financial situation was secure so didn't see any reason for a change.
I still would've voted Trump. I agree with some of Sanders' issues, but he's way too socialistic my tastes. His insistence on student loan forgiveness was a dealbreaker. I busted my derriere paying my way through school, why should some get a free pass?
That's like someone in the 1930s saying "freak that! I work 80 hours, 7 days a week. Why the hell should some poopchute get to stay home on Sunday?!"
I'm not advocating free college but there's nothing wrong with the idea that the system needs reform. I applaud Sanders for broaching the topic.
This is why everybody shits on millennials
http://www.weeklystandard.com/schools-offer-counseling-professors-postpone-exams-after-trump-win/article/2005314 (http://www.weeklystandard.com/schools-offer-counseling-professors-postpone-exams-after-trump-win/article/2005314)
The article goes on and on, but this is quite pathetic
Without reading that--and assuming it's excessive--people are, and have a right to be, upset.
He was adamant about kicking out immigrants and Muslims. He was caught speaking openly about sexually assaulting women. He verbally attacked a handicapped person and was adamant he'd take vengeance on anyone who opposed him if he was elected. His running mate signed a law that dictates funerals for abortions and miscarriages.
Forms of hate were a significant part of the campaign. People from any group targeted--and those that care about people included in those groups--are upset and have every right to be right now.
Should people ignore all of Trump's campaign promises because he was 'just campaigning'? Or shall we just pretend he didn't promise everything that he did? Why are Trump supporters unable to discuss the actual policies he says he wants to implement? Did you not know what they were?
This is the thing. People keep saying "I didn't vote for bigotry, or misogyny, or for xyz. I just voted because he shares some of my views."
No. You voted for his platform and everything he said he stood for--whether you knew/accepted it or not.
I saw an interview in Minnesota while Trump was pulling ahead. The interviewer asked a woman why she voted for Trump and she said "He's going to make America great again!" He asked what specifically she thought he was going to do. She looked like a deer in headlights and finally came up with "He's going to stop corruption in government!" He kept pushing her and she couldn't come up with a single actual thing to say.
From 1992, the Democratic presidential nominee has only lost the presidential popular vote once, in 2004. In 2012, Democrats received 1.2 million more votes than Republicans running for House. Republicans won 33 more seats. Democrats who consistently vote are feeling frustrated by the way that representative democracy works.
I recently saw Gov. Cuomo say that, if enacted nationally, NY would dedicate all its electoral votes to whichever candidate won the popular vote. That's a pretty good compromise if the nation would enact it. Then every vote actually counts.
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By fair my biggest issue with this candidacy is going to be Trump's stance on global warming.
Trump doesn't believe it exists and he's hiring the biggest climate change deniers to run the EPA. We are at a time where it is of upmost importance that we mitigate our pollution into this environment and trump isn't going to stop progress but remove all the legislature that created standards for limiting pollution.
I am at a loss for words right now
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The left of this country is all of a sudden for limited government and the right to bear arms, lmao
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By fair my biggest issue with this candidacy is going to be Trump's stance on global warming.
Trump doesn't believe it exists and he's hiring the biggest climate change deniers to run the EPA. We are at a time where it is of upmost importance that we mitigate our pollution into this environment and trump isn't going to stop progress but remove all the legislature that created standards for limiting pollution.
I am at a loss for words right now
Global warming and net neutrality are my top two domestic political issues now as well.
The left of this country is all of a sudden for limited government and the right to bear arms, lmao
Firstly, the idea that the left just wants a government that does everything is a ridiculous fabrication of the right. Secondly, it's rare you'll find a democrat who wants to abolish guns. Most just think it's completely ridiculous and unnecessary to own an automatic rifle as a civilian and that some gun control that keeps firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill isn't exactly encroaching upon the Constitution.
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Where is soxxx when we need him the most?
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Where is soxxx when we need him the most?
chemtrails got him
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That's like someone in the 1930s saying "freak that! I work 80 hours, 7 days a week. Why the hell should some poopchute get to stay home on Sunday?!"
I'm not advocating free college but there's nothing wrong with the idea that the system needs reform. I applaud Sanders for broaching the topic.
It's not about free college. Hell, I'd be all for free public college education, but no one forced these kids to take out $100k loans for their liberal arts degrees. I'm not paying for their mistakes. Should we discuss ways to prevent kids from making the same kinds of mistakes in the future? Absolutely, but debt-forgiveness is something I am absolutely 100% against.
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By fair my biggest issue with this candidacy is going to be Trump's stance on global warming.
Trump doesn't believe it exists and he's hiring the biggest climate change deniers to run the EPA. We are at a time where it is of upmost importance that we mitigate our pollution into this environment and trump isn't going to stop progress but remove all the legislature that created standards for limiting pollution.
I am at a loss for words right now
Trump promised to bring back energy jobs back, and that includes coal. Doesn't mean he's against environmental issues as a whole. He has to keep that promise.
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Trump will have Jill Stein run the EPA
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Firstly, the idea that the left just wants a government that does everything is a ridiculous fabrication of the right. Secondly, it's rare you'll find a democrat who wants to abolish guns. Most just think it's completely ridiculous and unnecessary to own an automatic rifle as a civilian and that some gun control that keeps firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill isn't exactly encroaching upon the Constitution.
No but they've been cool with the expansion of power of the president/federal government for the last 8 years of Obama, and now that someone they don't like has the power that they were cool with expanding they're scared shitless
Not even gonna bother getting in a gun control pissing contest, though
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https://x.com/nypost/status/1735223385636941943?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg