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Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 12:38:32 PM
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Oklahoma Sooners quarterback Kyler Murray is reportedly leaning toward entering the 2019 NFL draft and playing football next season rather than immediately pursuing a baseball career with the Oakland Athletics, who selected him with the ninth overall pick in the 2018 MLB draft.
On Wednesday, Bleacher Report's Matt Miller reported on the latest edition of the Stick To Football podcast that talk about Murray staying with football has been "heating up."
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This is great. Go Jets!
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Do itttt
more potential for teams to trade up.
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Would he really be a top 10 pick?
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Would he really be a top 10 pick?
No, not with his size and with a millions of dollars in baseball money in view.
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Would he really be a top 10 pick?
Nope. Top 3 pick
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Didn't he already sign a contract worth a few million bucks with the As? Does that just get fucked off if he goes to play football?
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https://twitter.com/susanslusser/status/1083198175077257217
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Brb, starting up the hype train
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Choo choo
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Brb, starting up the hype train
What hype train? Dude is too small to be an NFL QB. What is he 5’8”?
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What hype train? Dude is too small to be an NFL QB. What is he 5’8”?
I have yet to see a QB prospect fail because they were too short so If Im a GM that needs a QB I’d roll the dice. They way NFL offenses are trending, height is less of an issue. Didn’t look like Baker’s height was an issue this year. Would you rather try and develop Murray or Lamar Jackson?
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What hype train? Dude is too small to be an NFL QB. What is he 5’8”?
Listed as 5'10", an inch shorter than Russell Wilson.
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According to a source close to the situation, Kyler Murray’s number is $15M.
He wants big time money to stick with baseball, otherwise he will enter the NFL draft tomorrow.
The A’s are doing everything they can, sending their top brass, led by Billy Beane, to meet with him.
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@JasonOTC: A $15M contract for Kyler Murray would be on par with being the 14th pick in the NFL draft.
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He is guaranteed to play football in the NFL. He is not guaranteed to play Major League baseball because the distance from the draft to MLB is so huge. I don't see any way he doesn't play football.
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He is guaranteed to play football in the NFL. He is not guaranteed to play Major League baseball because the distance from the draft to MLB is so huge. I don't see any way he doesn't play football.
plus I’d say his chances of going a baseball minor league team if he doesn’t make it in the NFL in 4-5 years is pretty good. His chances of getting on an nfl roster in 3 years if he goes baseball and it doesn’t work out is not very good at all.
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this is honestly a no-brainer decision. it seems like he has a good shot of getting drafted in one of the first 2 rounds of the nfl, securing a pretty decent rookie contract, comparable if not more to the signing bonus he'd get as an MLB player after he signs his rookie contract
even as a backup on an NFL roster he'd have much more national exposure than he would as a minor league player for years, and i can only imagine that endorsement opportunities to make money outside of his professional contract would be much more feasible as an NFL player
even if he doesn't make it as a star or a starter at the NFL level, he can still make himself a very good living as a backup QB throughout his career.
i will admit i do not know much about his MLB prospects, but the only way deciding to go the MLB route trumps any of this is if he makes it as a star player in the MLB, and this is something that is far from guaranteed despite his high draft position in the MLB draft, and is a process that would take roughly 3 years before he'd even be at a level where he would be considered as a call-up to the ML level
there is no decision here
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It's not really a gamble for him. The MLB is behind the A's trying to give him more money. If the A's give him 15 million and put him on the 40 man, there's zero reason for him to ever play football. The idea that he could have a baseball career after failing in football isn't realistic. He'd get a small signing bonus and assigned to low A never to make money again unless he reached the majors at nearly 30 to make a 500k salary for 5 years.
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It's not really a gamble for him. The MLB is behind the A's trying to give him more money. If the A's give him 15 million and put him on the 40 man, there's zero reason for him to ever play football. The idea that he could have a baseball career after failing in football isn't realistic. He'd get a small signing bonus and assigned to low A never to make money again unless he reached the majors at nearly 30 to make a 500k salary for 5 years.
I didn’t say it was likely successful, but his chances of going to baseball in a few years and still getting paid to play is a hell of a lot higher than his chances of coming back to football and being paid to play.
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His potential earnings are much higher in baseball, his quality of life/health is much higher in baseball... I don’t really know why he’d play football, especially if the A’s give him a new contract. Sure, he’ll have to go through the minors, but he was drafted in the top 10 with under 250 college at bats and the risk of playing/choosing football. Clearly the MLB world thinks highly of him and it would probably be a shock to see him not make the majors.
I would say that his floor is much higher with football, but of course it introduces the potential health risks.
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Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray has submitted the paperwork to turn pro and plans to enter the NFL draft. Murray has informed the Oakland A’s of his intention to follow his heart to the NFL, where many project him to be a first-round pick.
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Take him Kliff!!!
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Kyler Murray hype train
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This guy will have flashes and then fizzle out into excrement tier status
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Well at least we're not in the market for a quarterback for once.
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Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray chose Erik Burkhardt as his agent, per sources.
Burkhardt also represents Cardinals’ HC Kliff Kingsbury, who said last fall he would take Murray if he had the No. 1 overall pick.
-Schefter
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@EricGalko:
Finally decided to do a Mock today based on what I’ve heard/know:
1. #Cardinals - QB Kyler Murray
etc.
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This actually makes sense to me. Rosen looked awful last year.
Murray could be a really good fit for Kliff Kingsbury’s system. Look at the QBs he’s recruited - Manziel, Baker, Mahomes. They’re not expected to be good next year so why not move forward with the QB that lets you run your offense best.
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Murray hired the same agent as Kingsbury.
Do it, Arizona.
EDIT: SFD is greasy
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They can trade Rosen to the Giants
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They can trade Rosen to the Giants
Not sure he'd be able to throw very well with a chip on his shoulder that big.
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It's fun to play connect the dots, but a very well placed source with Arizona says they're still "invested in Rosen."
We shall see.
Lolbright
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Not sure he'd be able to throw very well with a chip on his shoulder that big.
Elite post
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Maybe Arizona can sign Peter Dinklage or Warwick Davis to be his backup
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Bunp
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Would he really be a top 10 pick?
No, not with his size and with a millions of dollars in baseball money in view.
Lolz, listen to this dumbass.
In fairness to me, at the time I thought baseball was a more serious pursuit in his mind, and I thought his size was more like 5'9"-ish, 185 lbs.
Measured at 5'10", 207 lbs. He's a serious top 3 pick contender.
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KYLER MURRAY
Height; 5-10 1/8
Weight: 207 pounds
Hand size: 9 1/2
RUSSELL WILSON
Height: 5-10 5/8
Weight: 204
Hand size: 10 1/4 inches
BAKER MAYFIELD
Height: 6’0 5/8
Weight: 215
Hand size: 9 1/4
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KYLER MURRAY
Height; 5-10 1/8
Weight: 207 pounds
Hand size: 9 1/2
RUSSELL WILSON
Height: 5-10 5/8
Weight: 204
Hand size: 10 1/4 inches
BAKER MAYFIELD
Height: 6’0 5/8
Weight: 215
Hand size: 9 1/4
All three all gigantic douche bags in their own way
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All three all gigantic douche bags in their own way
Not shown: any of these guys wanting to be remembered as the nice one, because they would never.
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Not shown: any of these guys wanting to be remembered as the nice one, because they would never.
Russell Wilson wants to be remembered as the black republican virgin
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Why is Russell Wilson a douchebag?
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Why is Russell Wilson a douchebag?
Born that way....<shrugs>
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https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/1101454198640701440?s=19
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https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/1101454198640701440?s=19
Dwarfism confirmed.
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According to Draft Analyst @TonyPauline, Cardinals head coach Kliff Kingsbury was telling people last night that it’s a "done deal" that Arizona will select Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray with the first pick of the draft.
1000% reliable source
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If I’m Kliff Kingsbury, I’m not banking my future on Josh Rosen. I’m taking my own guy, a guy that much better fits my system.
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Josh Rosen to the Pats? lord knows they have the draft capital lol
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"Someone in Indianapolis told me Jon Gruden is the worst poker player in the NFL. He and Mike Mayock can talk all they want about Derek Carr ... but I'll tell you Jon Gruden is very interested in Kyler Murray." - Peter King
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Buying this rumor mainly because of the Jon Gruden being an awful poker player part
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"Someone in Indianapolis told me Jon Gruden is the worst poker player in the NFL. He and Mike Mayock can talk all they want about Derek Carr ... but I'll tell you Jon Gruden is very interested in Kyler Murray." - Peter King
If he would only trade Carr for Murray, then you have to assume Murray is a top 3 pick/lock because even if the cards pass, I can’t see Oakland not moving up for fear that somebody will jump them.
How freaking awesome would it be to go from 3 to 4 get a 2nd this year and a high pick next year as well?
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Kyler Murray Pro Day - March 13th
Ladies and Gentlemen, start your hype engines
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You shut the freak up, Charley.
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@CharleyCasserly on Kyler Murray at the Combine: "He better hope [Kliff] Kingsbury takes him No. 1 because this was not good. These were the worst comments I ever got on a high-rated quarterback and I’ve been doing this a long time."
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You shut the freak up, Charley.
“Who’s been wrong more than Charley Casserly since he left the Redskins? His percentage is like a meteorologist.”
-Belichick
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You shut the freak up, Charley.
What does he mean?
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What does he mean?
Apparently Kyler Murray spent the entirety of his combine interviews sodomizing various members of the Casserly family.
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https://twitter.com/ustadium/status/1103137847874338816
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“I’ve personally spoken with the majority of teams that he met with [at the Combine} and everyone was glowing about their conversations with Kyler,” Riley told Dan Patrick. “Basically the complete opposite of what Charley said.”
Riley also said Casserly is incorrect in saying Murray is not a good leader.
“Kyler was a tremendous leader for us,” Riley said. “All he cares about is winning. I think our team took on his personality.”
-Lincoln Riley
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"Yeah, we were hoping that he'd be able to get away with it without the teams realising, but it turns out they all think Kyler's a bit of a dick and to be honest that was my experience as well."
- Lincoln Riley
I'm not sure why Casserly said what he did because it doesn't do anyone any good - probably because he's an old man who spends most of his life slightly confused by everything and wishing for a time before he had to use one of those damn machines to get his money and when he knew his postman by name and he didn't have to remember passwords - but I don't think you can read anything into Riley's words either, because there's really nothing else he can say.
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About this Kyler Murray situation: 1) Only 1 team put him in front of white board. 2) The questions about leadership, study habits run counter to my experience w/ Kyler, who I've known since he was a HS soph. Have known his dad for 30 years. Honestly, it all sounds fabricated.
Gil Brandt
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The Chargers were one of the 10 teams to interview Kyler Murray at the Combine. Coach Anthony Lynn told me post-interview that Kyler was “impressive”, “sharp” and had great recall at the white board.
Jim Trotter
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/06/it-sounds-like-someone-wants-the-cardinals-to-pass-on-kyler-murray/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Hahaha
It’s unclear which teams want Murray to fall past No. 1, and it’s possible that the team that wants Murray to fall doesn’t want to draft Murray. It’s possible that one or more teams want him to fall not to draft him but to trade to someone else the ability to draft him.
Case in point: The Jets. They currently hold the third overall pick, and they currently don’t need a young franchise quarterback. And their current G.M. got the job as a result of a search process in which Casserly served as a consultant.
Is it crazy to think that Casserly may be trying to help a protégé maximize the haul that the Jets could get for Murray if both the Cardinals and 49ers pass on him? Mike Maccagnan already has said that he’s willing to deal the pick, and the Jets surely would like to recoup some of the picks they gave up last year in moving up from No. 6 to No. 3 in order to get quarterback Sam Darnold.
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Casserly, the NFL executive turned NFL Network analyst who has garnered both attention and criticism for his comments about Kyler Murray’s supposed lack of preparation for Scouting Combine interviews, went back on NFL Network and lavished praise on Murray.
“Arm strength? He can make all the throws,” Casserly said. “Vision? It’s hard to read vision in this offense but you do see him sit there and have poise in the pocket and be able to see the field. And in running ability, guy is an excellent runner with the football. I think he’s got Russell Wilson arm strength and Russell Wilson running ability. I think this guy has got all the potential in the world to be a successful quarterback in the National Football League. And Mahomes — let’s bring up Mahomes for a second. Compare him and Mahomes on the college tape, I put this guy ahead of Mahomes.”
Maybe we should stop listening to what Casserly has to say
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From a draft pick value standpoint, would we better off if Arizona traded Rosen significantly in advanced of the draft, or close to the day of?
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From a draft pick value standpoint, would we better off if Arizona traded Rosen significantly in advanced of the draft, or close to the day of?
Sooner is better, IMO. If everybody knows Murray is going 1 overall, they won't be looking to make deals with Arizona. That just leaves Frisco and us for any team that needs to get ahead of the Raiders.
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Sooner is better, IMO. If everybody knows Murray is going 1 overall, they won't be looking to make deals with Arizona. That just leaves Frisco and us for any team that needs to get ahead of the Raiders.
In that scenario, we can’t lose. We either get Bosa or we get a hell of a trade down offer.
So I absolutely agree the sooner Zona decides to take Murray the better
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Updated odds to be the 1st overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft:
Kyler Murray -400
Nick Bosa +225
Quinnen Williams +1800
Josh Allen +2000
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In that scenario, we can’t lose. We either get Bosa or we get a hell of a trade down offer.
So I absolutely agree the sooner Zona decides to take Murray the better
A trade down would be ideal however 2 things are making me cautious:
1- Who is trading up now?
2- Do I want to pass on an elite talent at 3 to get a good to great talent after a trade down to pick up extra mid round (rounds 2-4) picks when I don't trust the GM to make stellar picks there? I don't trust the track record.
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A trade down would be ideal however 2 things are making me cautious:
1- Who is trading up now?
2- Do I want to pass on an elite talent at 3 to get a good to great talent after a trade down to pick up extra mid round (rounds 2-4) picks when I don't trust the GM to make stellar picks there? I don't trust the track record.
Depends on where you move to. Either you stay close (6-8) and still have a locked in slot at a top 6 player that’s not a QB (if you are happy with any of the top guys) or you drop down out of the top 10 entirely and move to mid tier guys. Don’t think this works for us as who is going up that high?
I’m starting to think we are gonna end up stuck at 3 or trading down with the giants and getting a solid haul.
In the end I trust Duff to make a top ten selection without issue. And extra bites at the apple in the mid rounds is better than fewer when you are less sure you are going to hit on those guys.
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Depends on where you move to. Either you stay close (6-8) and still have a locked in slot at a top 6 player that’s not a QB (if you are happy with any of the top guys) or you drop down out of the top 10 entirely and move to mid tier guys. Don’t think this works for us as who is going up that high?
I’m starting to think we are gonna end up stuck at 3 or trading down with the giants and getting a solid haul.
In the end I trust Duff to make a top ten selection without issue. And extra bites at the apple in the mid rounds is better than fewer when you are less sure you are going to hit on those guys.
Yeah it's a tough call. I guess my concern is if I have the choice between a perennial pro bowler at 3 or a guy that is 'good' for many years, I don't trust him to use the mid round picks to make up the difference between those 2 players.
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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1105824991155814400
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@JamesPalmerTV: expect them to have a private workout with him
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Kyler Murray only weighs in at his pro day. No height measurement. Weighs in at 205.
lol
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Giants are meeting with Murray today. If he did slip to us, that could facilitate a draft day trade with them. Oakland has been linked to Murray a ton
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Cardinals meeting with Murray today
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Cardinals’ HC Kliff Kingsbury on what he likes about Kyler Murray: “I mean, I guess it's more what don't you like? When you watch him play, I mean he can run it, he can throw it, he's a competitor....He's one of the better dual threat players to ever play.”
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https://mobile.twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1118683174853324800
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Kingsbury on Rosen: “He went top 10 for a reason. I think people forget that.”
Free smoke, free smoke
Trying to bump his value before they trade him
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Move the Sticks just released their Kyler Murray 360.
I won't be listening because I have a hard time staying interested in QBs when we're not taking one, but it should be a good listen for those who care.
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Bump
Bump
This is when I called it.
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Would he really be a top 10 pick?
Nope. Top 3 pick
No, not with his size and with a millions of dollars in baseball money in view.
What hype train? Dude is too small to be an NFL QB. What is he 5’8”?
lol
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https://twitter.com/melissalockard/status/1451237847302754314?s=21