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Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: Badger on May 02, 2021, 08:19:27 PM
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https://walterfootball.com/draft2022.php
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https://walterfootball.com/draft2022.php
freak off, we're not picking 6th next year unless we make a trade to get there.
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freak off, we're not picking 6th next year unless we make a trade to get there.
That's OK TDN had us picking 3rd lol
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Also has us taking a safety at 19.
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https://walterfootball.com/draft2022.php
That site is freaking AIDS. I mean for chrissakes, take some pride in your product. I've seen fewer ads on russian porn sites.
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Also has us taking a safety at 19.
Maybe he meant that the Seattle pick would be #6 and our own pick #19. I would accept that.
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That site is freaking AIDS. I mean for chrissakes, take some pride in your product. I've seen fewer ads on russian porn sites.
I did feel like it was worse than I remembered. They were just my first thought when it came to way-too-early mocks.
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It’s horseshit and not even up to date - coming off the 2021 draft they have the Bears taking a QB and besides Sam Howell (NC) and Tx Tech’s QB there’s no mention of dog-face boy Spencer Rattler in the first half of rd 1. ?
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It’s horseshit and not even up to date - coming off the 2021 draft they have the Bears taking a QB and besides Sam Howell (NC) and Tx Tech’s QB there’s no mention of dog-face boy Spencer Rattler.
I'm sending Walter a strongly-worded email right now
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Atta boy! ; )
I’m genuinely miffed
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https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/the_way_too_early_2022_nfl_mock_draft/s1__34794056
3. CB Derek Stingley, LSU
21. S Kyle Hamilton, ND
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Stingley would be fantastic.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942190-2022-nfl-mock-draft-brs-way-too-early-predictions
3. Stingley again
22. Edge Zach Harrison, tOSU
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-lions-washington-raiders-target-passers-in-a-wide-open-quarterback-class/
3. Stingley lol
22. LB Christian Harris, Bama
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2942190-2022-nfl-mock-draft-brs-way-too-early-predictions
3. Stingley again
22. Edge Zach Harrison, tOSU
I cringe every time.
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3: R1 P3 EDGE Kayvon Thibodeaux - Oregon
29: R1 P29 CB Kaiir Elam - Florida
35: R2 P3 G Kenyon Green - Texas A&M
45: R2 P13 TE Jeremy Ruckert - Ohio State
67: R3 P3 C Colin Newell - Iowa State
115: R4 P13 CB Tiawan Mullen - Indiana
145: R5 P3 WR Keylon Stokes - Tulsa
164: R5 P22 LB Nate Landman - Colorado
182: R6 P3 LB Olakunle Fatukasi - Rutgers
194: R6 P15 CB Coby Bryant - Cincinnati
210: R6 P31 S Todd Harris Jr. - LSU
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3: R1 P3 EDGE Kayvon Thibodeaux - Oregon
24: R1 P24 G Ikem Ekwonu - NC State
35: R2 P3 C Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa
40: R2 P8 OT Nicholas Petit-Frere - Ohio State
67: R3 P3 S Daxton Hill - Michigan
110: R4 P8 CB Tiawan Mullen - Indiana
145: R5 P3 WR Keylon Stokes - Tulsa
156: R5 P14 G Logan Bruss - Wisconsin
182: R6 P3 S Josh Proctor - Ohio State
205: R6 P26 RB Greg Bell - San Diego State
209: R6 P30 DL Dom Peterson - Nevada
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Going to be very hard to pass on Evan Neal given the uncertainty surrounding Becton now. Makes me absolutely nauseous thinking about considering how desperately I want Thibodeaux.
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Going to be very hard to pass on Evan Neal given the uncertainty surrounding Becton now. Makes me absolutely nauseous thinking about considering how desperately I want Thibodeaux.
We aren’t bad enough for Thibs.
Draft Neal and putting Becton at RT isn’t a bad plan.
Our pass rush was atrocious today too.
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We aren’t bad enough for Thibs.
TBD
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Going to be very hard to pass on Evan Neal given the uncertainty surrounding Becton now. Makes me absolutely nauseous thinking about considering how desperately I want Thibodeaux.
3: R1 P3 OT Evan Neal - Alabama
24: R1 P24 CB Martin Emerson - Mississippi State
35: R2 P3 EDGE Adam Anderson - Georgia
40: R2 P8 WR Chris Olave - Ohio State
67: R3 P3 LB Henry To'o To'o - Alabama
110: R4 P8 TE Will Mallory - Miami
145: R5 P3 C Jarrett Patterson - Notre Dame
156: R5 P14 RB Rachaad White - Arizona State
182: R6 P3 S Reed Blankenship - Middle Tennessee
205: R6 P26 DL Justin Eboigbe - Alabama
209: R6 P30 QB JT Daniels - Georgia
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4.Evan Neal
OT Alabama
24.Jordan Battle
S Alabama
36.Ikem Ekwonu
OG North Carolina State
38.John Metchie III
WR Alabama
68.Jarrett Patterson
OC Notre Dame
106.Tyler Allgeier
RB BYU
116.Josh Whyle
TE Cincinnati
136.Ali Gaye
EDGE LSU
146.Zion Tupuola-Fetui
EDGE Washington
194.Sheridan Jones
CB Clemson
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4.Evan Neal
OT Alabama
24.Jordan Battle
S Alabama
36.Ikem Ekwonu
OG North Carolina State
38.John Metchie III
WR Alabama
Oh yeah?
3: R1 P3 OT Evan Neal - Alabama
24: R1 P24 LB Christian Harris - Alabama
35: R2 P3 DL DJ Dale - Alabama
40: R2 P8 RB Brian Robinson - Alabama
67: R3 P3 S Daniel Wright - Alabama
110: R4 P8 TE Jahleel Billingsley - Alabama
145: R5 P3 WR Jalen Tolbert - South Alabama
156: R5 P14 G Alec Jackson - Auburn
182: R6 P3 RB Shaun Shivers - Auburn
205: R6 P26 G Tashawn Manning - Auburn
209: R6 P30 C Nick Brahms - Auburn
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That's actually a great draft
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That's actually a great draft
Yeah the idea was a joke but I was already sold on it by the 2nd pick.
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4. Derek Stingley Jr, CB, LSU
21. Tyler Linderbaum, IOL, Iowa
36. Drake London, WR, USC
44. Jeremy Ruckert, TE, Ohio State
68. Jalen Wydermyer, TE, Texas A&M
114. Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State
118. Phil Jurkovec, QB, Boston College
146. Abraham Lucas, OT, Washington State
151. Riley Moss, DB, Iowa
201. Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama
209. Olakunle Fatukasi, LB, Rutgers
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4. Derek Stingley Jr, CB, LSU
21. Tyler Linderbaum, IOL, Iowa
36. Drake London, WR, USC
44. Jeremy Ruckert, TE, Ohio State
68. Jalen Wydermyer, TE, Texas A&M
114. Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State
118. Phil Jurkovec, QB, Boston College
146. Abraham Lucas, OT, Washington State
151. Riley Moss, DB, Iowa
201. Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama
209. Olakunle Fatukasi, LB, Rutgers
Excuse me while I melt down for 3 years over using pick 118 on a QB
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Any scenario where the Jets end up with Linderbaum is a win
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We currently have the 4th and 12th overall picks
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We currently have the 4th and 12th overall picks
Somehow the Eagles currently have the 3rd and 7th overall picks.
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Somehow the Eagles currently have the 3rd and 7th overall picks.
Matt Miller
@nfldraftscout
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2h
As of today, the #Eagles would own picks Nos. 5, 6, and 10 in the 2022 NFL Draft.
The Eagles could pull the trigger on Deshaun Watson at any moment.
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Matt Miller
@nfldraftscout
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2h
As of today, the #Eagles would own picks Nos. 5, 6, and 10 in the 2022 NFL Draft.
The Eagles could pull the trigger on Deshaun Watson at any moment.
I think the Colts need to make sure to bench Wentz before he triggers a first round pick going to Philly
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Any scenario where the Jets end up with Linderbaum is a win
Was thinking this as well. Draft Linderbaum and find a veteran RG to place the turd we have holding that spot now and the Oline will be stacked.
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1.4 Even Neal OT Alabama
1.12 Kenyon Green OG Texas AM
2.36 Jordan Battle S Alabama
2.43 Jalen Wydermyer TE Texas AM
3.68 Jermaine Waller VA Tech
4.113 Amare Barno EDGE VA Tech
4.122 Amari Gainer LB FSU
5.146 Trey McBridge TE Colorado State
5.157 Breece Hall RB Iowa State
6.197 Storm Duck CB UNC
https://thejetpress.com/posts/ny-jets-mock-draft-offensive-line-7-round-2022
Last year we pick two Michael Carter's, now we get Amare and Amari
Storm Duck...what a name
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Hnnnngh
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/qlorxz/2022_mock_draft_v1
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Hnnnngh
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/qlorxz/2022_mock_draft_v1
I'm in
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And then all of our cap space is invested into the OL
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And then all of our cap space is invested into the OL
just like nature intended
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We don't need to spend four 1st-round picks in 3 years on OL. I am all for building inside out and building up the line, but we need to spread our resources out. Give me a WR or a TE or a pass rusher or a LB or a defensive back.
If there is a ridiculous value, then sure, we can take 2 OL. But to me, you get your starting guard in the 1st to replace GVR, and then grab one more developmental guy, and the OL is in very good shape.
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We need to sign and/or draft a #1 WR and a TE this offseason. That should be the priority for the offense.
Drake London will hopefully receive serious consideration with our later first rounder.
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We need to sign and/or draft a #1 WR and a TE this offseason. That should be the priority for the offense.
Drake London will hopefully receive serious consideration with our later first rounder.
I know this doesn't actually matter but who was the last successful use wr
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I know this doesn't actually matter but who was the last successful use wr
Michael Pittman seems pretty successful. Robert Woods still getting it done out in LA. I feel like there has been one more pretty good WR out of USC in between those guys
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Juju is good too
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Michael Pittman seems pretty successful. Robert Woods still getting it done out in LA. I feel like there has been one more pretty good WR out of USC in between those guys
Forgot about woods. He's probably the most successful in the past decade
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Juju is good too
But his TikToks!1!11!
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Need one more elite OL in the draft. Jealous of the Colts.
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Need one more elite OL in the draft. Jealous of the Colts.
Need 3 more and still won't be that good.
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Our OL has played well tonight
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Our entire offense has played well tonight. But watching a team like the Colts absolutely push people around is fun, and I miss when the Jets could do that.
But that's also why I don't want two offensive linemen with premium picks. Get one more starter, and we should be pretty set.
We have a glaring need at tight end, especially considering how much we use the position. Whether it's via trade or by draft, that needs to be a priority.
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My preference continues to be an OL and a pass rusher with our first two picks. Those are the two positions I see having the greatest impact for us (both in the short- and long-term). Hopefully we'll have acquired starting-caliber players at tight end, linebacker, and safety before the draft so we can spend most of our draft capital on getting faster on the boundaries.
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Ran a PFN draft simulation earlier that resulted in:
Kyle Hamilton
Kenyon Green
Kingsley Enagbare
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We need to sign and/or draft a #1 WR and a TE this offseason. That should be the priority for the offense.
Drake London will hopefully receive serious consideration with our later first rounder.
The market for both positions is pretty shitty unfortunately. Receiver's not terrible until you consider it's likely a guy like Mike Williams gets tagged. I'd be surprised if the Bucs let Godwin walk without an extension, but crazier excrement has happened.
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Need one more elite OL in the draft. Jealous of the Colts.
Or two please (Van Rotten & McGovern to the bench; cut Feeney). Becton's still not a full season guarantee either - not yet anyway.
Roster holes elsewhere? Of course, but please build QB-friendly walls upfront.
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Becton is far from a sure thing.
Take Neal and find a home for Becton if he can stay on the field.
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If the draft were today, I'd have to take Neal and either Hutchinson or Karlaftis.
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If the draft were today, I'd have to take Neal and either Hutchinson or Karlaftis.
You take Hutchinson over Neal. We are OK at tackle with Fant and Moses. Becton is coming back. If he was toast, I'd consider a tackle but he's coming back. You've gotta ride it out with him.
I'm not taking a right tackle #3 overall. Take an elite edge rusher and it speeds up the defensive rebuild, especially if Lawson comes back strong.
Our interior is the problem and if you fix right guard, we're a lot better off.
If the draft were today, I'm taking Aidan Hutchinson at 3 and WR1 at #7 (Garrett Wilson/Drake London/Treylon Burks).
Go get a pass rusher and a #1 WR.
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You take Hutchinson over Neal. We are OK at tackle with Fant and Moses. Becton is coming back. If he was toast, I'd consider a tackle but he's coming back. You've gotta ride it out with him.
I'm not taking a right tackle #3 overall. Take an elite edge rusher and it speeds up the defensive rebuild, especially if Lawson comes back strong.
Our interior is the problem and if you fix right guard, we're a lot better off.
If the draft were today, I'm taking Aidan Hutchinson at 3 and WR1 at #7 (Garrett Wilson/Drake London/Treylon Burks).
Go get a pass rusher and a #1 WR.
I agree. As much as I want to build the wall, we really just need to get one more interior lineman building block. We're a below average line, but it's no longer a massive liability that prevents us from running offense, and with Becton/AVT in tow, you imagine they will continue to get better and make the line better with them. Going from bad to average at OG and from below average to average at center would do so much for our OL.
I've done little draft prep, but positionally, WR and pass rusher are the two positions I want most (or TE, but there's no Pitts in this draft).
I could hear arguments for a defensive back like Hamilton or Stingley as well, but edge rusher and WR are what we need most IMO. And yes, we're OK at edge if Lawson and Huff are healthy, and we're OK at receiver with Davis/Moore/Cole/Crowder/Mims. But turning WR from mediocre to a legitimate strength is a big reason how the Bengals helped Burrow in year 2. I questioned taking Chase over Sewell, but I think that's worked out for them. A gamebreaker receiver to complement Moore would do as much to help Wilson as any offensive lineman.
And you can never have enough edge rushers. Especially given how much we rotate. Hell, we rotate our WR, too. An edge rusher would make our defensive backs look a lot better, and nothing would help us force more turnovers. Out of all the awful things about our defense, the complete inability to intercept a pass might be chief among them.
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If you put a true #1 wideout on the field with Corey Davis and Elijah Moore, teams can't load the box consistently. It takes pressure off of the QB, the OL, and the run game.
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If you put a true #1 wideout on the field with Corey Davis and Elijah Moore, teams can't load the box consistently. It takes pressure off of the QB, the OL, and the run game.
Just like the Bengals with Higgins and Boyd. Bengals were fine at receiver with those 2. Chase brings their offense to another level. It opens up the running game, and creates big plays in the passing game. And if receivers get open quicker (or the QB trusts them to make the play), then the ball gets out quicker.
I think Moore is going to be a great player for us, but if we slide him inside to Crowder's spot next season, and we get a new outside receiver to go with Davis, then the WR group becomes a strength. I still have some hope that Moore can be our #1 receiver, but his size and skillset might make him better off as a 1B.
The only time in the last decade that we had an above average receiving corps, we almost made the playoffs.
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For some reason Fanspeak mock generator is only offering draft order based on their own power rankings and Vegas odds, not on the current actual order. Annoying, wanted to do a quick 4 rounder but not if I'm picking 4th, feels weird.
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Screw it
4: R1 P4 CB Derek Stingley - LSU
9: R1 P9 C Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa
36: R2 P4 WR Chris Olave - Ohio State
46: R2 P14 G Zion Johnson - Boston College
68: R3 P4 EDGE Nik Bonitto - Oklahoma
116: R4 P14 S Verone McKinley III - Oregon
121: R4 P19 TE Jahleel Billingsley - Alabama
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/32645728/nfl-mock-draft-2022-jordan-reid-predictions-all-32-first-round-picks-including-kayvon-thibodeaux-matt-corral-kenny-pickett
Jets:
(3) Derek Stingley Jr, CB
(10) David Ojabo, EDGE
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Ojabo is good
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2. Aidan Hutchinson
EDGE, Michigan
5. Kyle Hamilton
S, Notre Dame
42. Brandon Smith
LB, Penn State
48. Jameson Williams
WR, Alabama
67. Jamaree Salyer
IOL, Georgia
116. Bernhard Raimann
OT, Central Michigan
118. Sevyn Banks
CB, Ohio State
152. Charlie Kolar
TE, Iowa State
160. Zonovan Knight
RB, NC State
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2. Aidan Hutchinson
EDGE, Michigan
5. Kyle Hamilton
S, Notre Dame
42. Brandon Smith
LB, Penn State
48. Jameson Williams
WR, Alabama
67. Jamaree Salyer
IOL, Georgia
116. Bernhard Raimann
OT, Central Michigan
118. Sevyn Banks
CB, Ohio State
152. Charlie Kolar
TE, Iowa State
160. Zonovan Knight
RB, NC State
*check notes*
Yes, i'm on board with this.
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(https://i.imgur.com/W5EAZQk.png)
This is the one for me
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2. Aidan Hutchinson
EDGE, Michigan
5. Kyle Hamilton
S, Notre Dame
42. Brandon Smith
LB, Penn State
48. Jameson Williams
WR, Alabama
This is about as good as it gets.
Help at all three levels on defense. We'd get way faster on defense, especially sideline-to-sideline.
Williams would be WR4 on Ohio State, but that's why he ended up at Alabama. He's a great compliment to Moore and Davis and his deep speed would be good for Wilson.
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BC's Zion Johnson is the offensive prospect we have to keep an eye on heading into the postseason all-star games and the pre-draft process.
He can play tackle, guard, and lots are saying he'd be a strong fit at center.
That's the kind of lineman this team needs.
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BC's Zion Johnson is the offensive prospect we have to keep an eye on heading into the postseason all-star games and the pre-draft process.
He can play tackle, guard, and lots are saying he'd be a strong fit at center.
That's the kind of lineman this team needs.
depth and versatility are king.
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depth and versatility are king.
He would likely start at center or guard if we picked him.
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What are your early thoughts on Hamilton? Considering we moved Nasirildeen and Sherwood to linebacker, do you think Hamilton is a LB or a safety in this system? I know Hamilton has more speed than either of those guys, but he could easily add a few pounds and move to linebacker.
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What are your early thoughts on Hamilton? Considering we moved Nasirildeen and Sherwood to linebacker, do you think Hamilton is a LB or a safety in this system? I know Hamilton has more speed than either of those guys, but he could easily add a few pounds and move to linebacker.
He's the perfect fit in the scheme (the Kam Chancellor role) because he can play both at a high level, but he is a true safety in my eyes.
He has some of the best range in coverage that I can remember.
You can line him up just about anywhere and he'll be a problem.
(I would rather take a corner or a wideout but he's an elite prospect. His position just isn't as valuable.)
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Starting to think Aidan Hutchinson is a serious possibility for the Lions at 1.
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Starting to think Aidan Hutchinson is a serious possibility for the Lions at 1.
We'll take Thibs
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We'll take Thibs
Yes, please.
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Starting to think Aidan Hutchinson is a serious possibility for the Lions at 1.
Why?
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Why?
He's arguably had the best performance of any defender in college football this season, has gotten hyped more than seemingly any other prospect recently, and, to top it off, he goes to Michigan and grew up within a half hour of Ford Field. The last part admittedly shouldn't be a deciding factor in who to take with the #1 pick in the draft but these are the Lions... and it would be by no means a terrible pick... the guy's a legit top-5 prospect.
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the guy's a legit top-5 prospect.
He's a top 2 prospect.
It's Thibodeaux, Hutchinson, and then everyone else
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He's a top 2 prospect.
It's Thibodeaux, Hutchinson, and then everyone else
Hopefully one of them will be wearing green and white next season.
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He's arguably had the best performance of any defender in college football this season, has gotten hyped more than seemingly any other prospect recently, and, to top it off, he goes to Michigan and grew up within a half hour of Ford Field. The last part admittedly shouldn't be a deciding factor in who to take with the #1 pick in the draft but these are the Lions... and it would be by no means a terrible pick... the guy's a legit top-5 prospect.
I hope we draft either one. I was just curious if something surfaced where he was the clear-cut #1 prospect now.
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I hope we draft either one. I was just curious if something surfaced where he was the clear-cut #1 prospect now.
Nah. Just me trying to read the tea leaves...
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He's arguably had the best performance of any defender in college football this season, has gotten hyped more than seemingly any other prospect recently, and, to top it off, he goes to Michigan and grew up within a half hour of Ford Field. The last part admittedly shouldn't be a deciding factor in who to take with the #1 pick in the draft but these are the Lions... and it would be by no means a terrible pick... the guy's a legit top-5 prospect.
He's a top 2 prospect.
It's Thibodeaux, Hutchinson, and then everyone else
For reference, I've seen some people argue that Thibs isn't on the same level as Garrett/Bosa Bros/Young as a prospect, but this is the first time I've seen anyone put Hutch ahead of him (obviously due to his ongoing performance).
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For reference, I've seen some people argue that Thibs isn't on the same level as Garrett/Bosa Bros/Young as a prospect, but this is the first time I've seen anyone put Hutch ahead of him (obviously due to his ongoing performance).
He is every bit as good as those prospects.
I’d put him ahead of the Bosas.
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Man I'd love to see the Lions or Texans fall in love with a quarterback.
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Man I'd love to see the Lions or Texans fall in love with a quarterback.
This is what I've been hoping for.
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This is what I've been hoping for.
Impossible to rule out, especially if ownership gets involved...
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Man I'd love to see the Lions or Texans fall in love with a quarterback.
Lions are definitely a possibility...but Texans, I think they still have a hard-on for Davis Mills
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Man I'd love to see the Lions or Texans fall in love with a quarterback.
Lions only have one more year of wearing Goff's contract, after the 22 season he's a $10M hit if they cut him so a QB is feasible.
Texans are impossible to read because everything revolves around Watson. I still don't think the door is completely closed on him in Houston, especially if there's no viable market.
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There will be a viable market for Watson as soon as his legal issues are resolved (if they're resolved). If they're not, the Texans will be looking for a new quarterback anyway. Watson will never play another game for Houston.
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There will be a viable market for Watson as soon as his legal issues are resolved (if they're resolved). If they're not, the Texans will be looking for a new quarterback anyway. Watson will never play another game for Houston.
OK, but if that's true then their ability to trade him massively impacts their draft strategy. If his legal issues get resolved and he's clear to play, the return is significant and the Texans are spending like a sailor with a shore pass. If they don't and they can't trade him, then they have to think much more carefully about what they do in the draft and MB's point about thinking seriously about what they already have becomes far more likely. So they're still impossible to call right now, because without a slam dunk QB prospect in the draft their strategy is still completely up in the air.
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Lions are definitely a possibility...but Texans, I think they still have a hard-on for Davis Mills
Maybe they have a front office shakeup after the season. Who knows.
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Maybe they have a front office shakeup after the season. Who knows.
You think Caserio is one and done?
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You think Caserio is one and done?
Who can know God's wishes? (Except Jack Easterby, obviously.)
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Who can know God's wishes? (Except Jack Easterby, obviously.)
God's too busy freaking over the Jets
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You think Caserio is one and done?
Who can know God's wishes? (Except Jack Easterby, obviously.)
Easterby is who I was thinking of. Caserio is probably safe.
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If Hutchinson wasn't in the conversation for #1 before, he is now.
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If Hutchinson wasn't in the conversation for #1 before, he is now.
We really need Goff to continue to stink...I'd love to see the lions reach for a QB at #1
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We really need Goff to continue to stink...I'd love to see the lions reach for a QB at #1
Everyone knows Goff stinks. Especially the Lions.
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Everyone knows Goff stinks. Especially the Lions.
The lions don't know excrement...
#BitingKneecapsSZN
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I already like the idea of trading back.
I also wonder if we are at the stage to swing for a star with a trade. We have the picks and cap room
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I already like the idea of trading back.
I also wonder if we are at the stage to swing for a star with a trade. We have the picks and cap room
I'm not giving up a top five pick for a "star" that wants out. This team isn't good. Why would a star want to come to the Jets?
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I'm not giving up a top five pick for a "star" that wants out. This team isn't good. Why would a star want to come to the Jets?
They wouldn't want to come to the Jets, which is why they would have to trade for one.
I'm not saying move a top-5 pick for someone, but I like keeping our options open by picking up extra picks in say 2023. 2023 is probably the better time to do it, but at some point, cashing in draft picks for veteran help now could make sense. Hopefully better veterans than Joe Flacco.
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They wouldn't want to come to the Jets, which is why they would have to trade for one.
I'm not saying move a top-5 pick for someone, but I like keeping our options open by picking up extra picks in say 2023. 2023 is probably the better time to do it, but at some point, cashing in draft picks for veteran help now could make sense. Hopefully better veterans than Joe Flacco.
Give Ben Jones all the money.
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I like the idea of trading back but let's not put the cart before the horse. Become a winning team first and then trade for the star.
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If the draft were today, taking Hutchinson at 4 and Stingley at 5 would be an amazing outcome
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If the draft were today, taking Hutchinson at 4 and Stingley at 5 would be an amazing outcome
Why?
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Why?
Seems fun to me
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Give Ben Jones all the money.
I'd prefer to win Ben steins money
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PFF top 100 prospects
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-draft-board-big-board
Jets have 5 picks in the top 100
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PFF top 100 prospects
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-draft-board-big-board
Jets have 5 picks in the top 100
Draft Ekwonu and kick him inside to guard
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If the draft were today, taking Hutchinson at 4 and Stingley at 5 would be an amazing outcome
Or could go OL tandem with Neal & Linderbaum or trade down slightly and grab WRs Garrett Wilson and Jameson Williams.
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Draft Ekwonu and kick him inside to guard
Brugler's mock in The Athletic today had us taking Stingley at 4 and Ekwonu at 5. (Hutchinson went 1 and Thibs 2, with Neal at 3.) His first QB went at 10 - Kenny Pickett to Carolina.
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Or could go OL tandem with Neal & Linderbaum or trade down slightly and grab WRs Garrett Wilson and Jameson Williams.
We have way too many needs to spend essentially 4 straight 1st rd picks on OL. We didn't have a choice with Wilson. Maybe if you trade down for Linderbaum
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We have way too many needs to spend essentially 4 straight 1st rd picks on OL. We didn't have a choice with Wilson. Maybe if you trade down for Linderbaum
Big Nania energy with this one.
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Brugler's mock in The Athletic today had us taking Stingley at 4 and Ekwonu at 5. (Hutchinson went 1 and Thibs 2, with Neal at 3.) His first QB went at 10 - Kenny Pickett to Carolina.
What a terrible name for a quarterback...
"Can he pick it"
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If the draft were today, taking Hutchinson at 4 and Stingley at 5 would be an amazing outcome
if Hutchinson drops out of the top 3 barring some catastrophe....i'll book my hotel for the tailgate in 2022.
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What a terrible name for a quarterback...
"Can he pick it"
Pickett 6
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Pitt aso had a kicker named Blewitt.
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We have way too many needs to spend essentially 4 straight 1st rd picks on OL. We didn't have a choice with Wilson. Maybe if you trade down for Linderbaum
Agreed many needs however consider the 49ers used 3 of 4 first round picks on DL 2015-2017 (and eventually 5/8]. I also put out a possible WR scenario (Wilson/Williams) with the idea of going OL later. However it plays out I would like to get a unit that's been ignored since the days of Brick/Mangold settled esp. with the most important position (Zach) in the very early developmental stages of his career.
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The 49ers are weak in a lot of other places because of that though.
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If we keep drafting OL in the first round, that unit will fall apart in a couple years because you can't pay them all.
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If we keep drafting OL in the first round, that unit will fall apart in a couple years because you can't pay them all.
Disagree. You stack the line with first round talent over the course of three or four years, by the time they're all due to get paid you can trade one out and backfill with a new pick because you'll have built a strong enough identity in the unit that you can switch a piece out and the new guy is walking into an environment that is built for him to succeed.
Look at the Colts. Ryan Kelly and Braden Smith are both getting paid handsomely, and Nelson is about to get a excrement ton of cash. My best is they let Fisher walk and backfill with a draft pick, and that line won't miss a beat.
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Look at the Colts.
The Colts aren't good
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And spare me with the "they're better than the Jets!"
Everyone but Detroit, Houston, and Jacksonville are better than the Jets
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The Colts aren't good
Their line is.
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The Colts aren't good
Taylor is leading the league in rushing behind that oline.
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They also did not draft Eric Fisher and Braden Smith was a second rounder.
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Taylor is leading the league in rushing behind that oline.
And their receivers and defensive backs stink, which is why they are 6-6.
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And their receivers and defensive backs stink, which is why they are 6-6.
Every team has it's weaknesses....and FTR, i'm not advocating that we spend all our premium draft picks on OL in the upcoming draft.
But, building from the LOS outward isn't a bad strategy. The Colts oline has won them their fair share of games. I wouldn't classify them as "not good".
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They also did not draft Eric Fisher and Braden Smith was a second rounder.
Your argument was that you can't pay them all, and I'm saying that you don't have to. You just have to build the line well enough to start with that you're able to swap a piece out for a cheaper one without hurting it.
Or maybe you'd rather keep picking up van Rotens and McGoverns in the hope that they'll somehow magically turn into good players, or keep drafting mid round scrubs like Edoga in the hope that they'll turn out to be a hidden gem that somehow everyone missed.
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Your argument was that you can't pay them all, and I'm saying that you don't have to. You just have to build the line well enough to start with that you're able to swap a piece out for a cheaper one without hurting it.
Or maybe you'd rather keep picking up van Rotens and McGoverns in the hope that they'll somehow magically turn into good players, or keep drafting mid round scrubs like Edoga in the hope that they'll turn out to be a hidden gem that somehow everyone missed.
McGovern is fine. Van Roten has been replaced for literally nothing. We traded a fourth string tight end for him and now he's back on our practice squad.
If you want to spend high draft picks and eventually top dollar on only one position group, that's bad roster management. It's what we did with our defensive line for several years and look at the mess we're in now.
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Pitt aso had a kicker named Blewitt.
And so did we
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But, building from the LOS outward isn't a bad strategy.
This seems to be the strategy that Douglas believes in. I just think it's a significant waste of draft capital to pick a center in the top five. We're OK at center.
LDT is also just OK.
Icky Ekwonu is very similar to AVT. He can play both tackle and guard. I think he's worth a top five pick because he's elite at a premium position (tackle) and he can help us at multiple spots.
People want the next Nick Mangold. He was drafted at the backend of the first round, where centers should be drafted. I'd have no problem going Linderbaum if we traded back (or trade back up into the late first).
I just think you have to spend top ten draft picks on premium positions: EDGE, OT, WR, CB
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McGovern is fine. Van Roten has been replaced for literally nothing. We traded a fourth string tight end for him and now he's back on our practice squad.
If you want to spend high draft picks and eventually top dollar on only one position group, that's bad roster management. It's what we did with our defensive line for several years and look at the mess we're in now.
This. You can spend multiple 1st on o line but you need to spread it out. It can't be 3 years in a row, the cap and salary configurations don't allow it. You need to maximize your return on investment. Letting a player go because you've invested too much money in the position is poor roster and asset management.
Improving the o line this year is about adding players later in the draft as well as free agency. If you want to spend a 1st on o lineman it should be next year at the earliest.
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The only caveat to this is if Joe Douglas think Mekhi is a fat slob who can't play
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This. You can spend multiple 1st on o line but you need to spread it out. It can't be 3 years in a row, the cap and salary configurations don't allow it. You need to maximize your return on investment. Letting a player go because you've invested too much money in the position is poor roster and asset management.
Improving the o line this year is about adding players later in the draft as well as free agency. If you want to spend a 1st on o lineman it should be next year at the earliest.
I'm cool with draft Ekwonu in the top ten because he's an impact player at tackle/guard. I'm not cool drafting an interior offensive lineman that high or TWO offensive linemen in the top ten. That makes no sense.
We STINK on defense. We desperately need speed on every level.
Lots of fans want a tackle because Becton has been hurt a lot. What about Carl Lawson? EDGE is a significant need for us. It allows JFM to move inside with Quinnen Williams. We should not invest big money into Fatukasi when his replacement (who is a better, more versatile player) is already on the roster.
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I'm cool with draft Ekwonu in the top ten because he's an impact player at tackle/guard. I'm not cool drafting an interior offensive lineman that high or TWO offensive linemen in the top ten. That makes no sense.
We STINK on defense. We desperately need speed on every level.
Lots of fans want a tackle because Becton has been hurt a lot. What about Carl Lawson? EDGE is a significant need for us. It allows JFM to move inside with Quinnen Williams. We should not invest big money into Fatukasi when his replacement (who is a better, more versatile player) is already on the roster.
Agree with all of us, especially fatukasi.
We have proved for decades that our scouts can find probowl level talent at dt. Let the guy walk and find a way to improve our edge talent.
If Joe doesn't trust mekhi because he is sloppy fatsthen draft another elite o line prospect otherwise use the draft capital elsewhere.
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My ideal scenario is the Seahawks lose enough games for us to get Hutchinson and we win enough games to draft Linderbaum at an appropriate spot. It's more likely that it'll be the other way around. So be it.
I'm not going to worry about drafting too many offensive linemen in the first round until I see more than one position locked up long term. Worrying about paying three/four superstar second contracts is some dcm excrement.
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This seems to be the strategy that Douglas believes in. I just think it's a significant waste of draft capital to pick a center in the top five. We're OK at center.
LDT is also just OK.
Icky Ekwonu is very similar to AVT. He can play both tackle and guard. I think he's worth a top five pick because he's elite at a premium position (tackle) and he can help us at multiple spots.
People want the next Nick Mangold. He was drafted at the backend of the first round, where centers should be drafted. I'd have no problem going Linderbaum if we traded back (or trade back up into the late first).
I just think you have to spend top ten draft picks on premium positions: EDGE, OT, WR, CB
I'm on board with everything said here.
I will add that i'm also on board with finding the next Mangold, because i think McGovern isn't worth keeping around. I don't believe Linderbaum is top 10 worthy, but, i also don't expect him to be available at the back of the 1st round either....he's too good of a prospect. Trading back into the 1st round would most likely be the route to take if we want him.
Landing an EDGE, WR or DB with our top 10 picks....and then trading up to steal Linderbaum. My boner would last for weeks.
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Brugler has Linderbaum going 7th to the Giants. I haven't been looking much at 2022 mocks but from the little I've seen I think most expect him gone top half at the very least.
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Brugler has Linderbaum going 7th to the Giants. I haven't been looking much at 2022 mocks but from the little I've seen I think most expect him gone top half at the very least.
That's a bit of a reach....
and Dane Brugler is retarded.
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The only caveat to this is if Joe Douglas think Mekhi is a fat slob who can't play
Becton washing this quickly is such an awful scenario that I refuse to consider it
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Brugler has Linderbaum going 7th to the Giants. I haven't been looking much at 2022 mocks but from the little I've seen I think most expect him gone top half at the very least.
Mocks in November and December are useless.
(Mocks are useless January-December actually)
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Mocks in November and December are useless.
(Mocks are useless January-December actually)
This.
And here's why: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-giants-draft-daniel-jones-replacement-jets-add-major-talent-to-defense/
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Mocks in November and December are useless.
(Mocks are useless January-December actually)
4: R1 P4 EDGE Kayvon Thibodeaux - Oregon
6: R1 P6 OT Evan Neal - Alabama
36: R2 P4 C Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa
46: R2 P14 S Verone McKinley III - Oregon
68: R3 P4 WR Justyn Ross - Clemson
Thank you fanspeak
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Kyle Hamilton scares me. Not like "I don't think he'll be good" scares me; more like "his freakish limbs remind me of slenderman" scares me.
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-24-2015/_wDBE-.gif)
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And so did we
I thought we just brought him in for a workout and signed some other terrible kicker instead.
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Mocks in November and December are useless.
(Mocks are useless January-December actually)
Of course they are, they're useless for a wide variety of reasons - teams will change positions, their draft strategy is unknown, players will lose form or get injured or choose to stay in school while others will light up the Senior Bowl and the Combine. Doesn't stop us doing them, reading them and discussing them though, does it?
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I've been all on board with our OL draft moves. I loved the Becton pick. I loved trading up for an offensive guard, which is a move that sounds stupid on paper, but made perfect sense given our needs.
I'm even fine if we take a 3rd straight OL in the 1st round next year. But we have so many needs as a roster. Just because our OL has been bad for a decade doesn't mean we need to go completely the other way and let the rest of our roster continue to degrade.
I'm not even all that worried about the salary cap when it comes to this. We need to get enough good players to sign before I worry about that. But at some point, we need to spread out our resources. AVT looks like a star. Becton was drafted to be one and showed flashes. Between Fant and Moses, we have a startable offensive tackle. McGovern isn't great, but he's a mediocre NFL starter.
I would like to bring in two more upgrades to the line next year. Spend a big draft resource on an OL, likely an interior OL. Then bring in competition for the other interior OL spot and bring back Moses and/or Fant.
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I've been all on board with our OL draft moves. I loved the Becton pick. I loved trading up for an offensive guard, which is a move that sounds stupid on paper, but made perfect sense given our needs.
I'm even fine if we take a 3rd straight OL in the 1st round next year. But we have so many needs as a roster. Just because our OL has been bad for a decade doesn't mean we need to go completely the other way and let the rest of our roster continue to degrade.
I'm not even all that worried about the salary cap when it comes to this. We need to get enough good players to sign before I worry about that. But at some point, we need to spread out our resources. AVT looks like a star. Becton was drafted to be one and showed flashes. Between Fant and Moses, we have a startable offensive tackle. McGovern isn't great, but he's a mediocre NFL starter.
I would like to bring in two more upgrades to the line next year. Spend a big draft resource on an OL, likely an interior OL. Then bring in competition for the other interior OL spot and bring back Moses and/or Fant.
I think continuing to improve the OL should still be among our top priorities but not to the point where we must use one of the 1st rounders on it. But I wouldn't complain if we did. I'm generally a proponent of "if you think a player will be great just pick them instead of debating if the value is appropriate."
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I'm not going to worry about drafting too many offensive linemen in the first round until I see more than one position locked up long term. Worrying about paying three/four superstar second contracts is some dcm excrement.
If that's the case we should draft another quarterback this year...
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Tried again with a different big board and Fanspeak keeps letting Linderbaum fall to the 2nd. Unrealistic but I can't refuse. Hutch and Thibs went 1-2.
4: R1 P4 CB Derek Stingley - LSU
5: R1 P5 OT Evan Neal - Alabama
36: R2 P4 C Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa
40: R2 P8 WR Drake London - USC
68: R3 P4 EDGE Myjai Sanders - Cincinnati
110: R4 P8 S Bryan Cook - Cincinnati
115: R4 P13 TE Jahleel Billingsley - Alabama
146: R5 P4 TE Jeremy Ruckert - Ohio State
157: R5 P15 S Reed Blankenship - Middle Tennessee
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/new-york-jets-mock-draft-2022-7-rounds
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/new-york-jets-mock-draft-2022-7-rounds
That's not the correct draft order, right?
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We should have 36, 41, and 61 right now
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We should have 36, 41, and 61 right now
Classic TDN
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Supposedly Ozzie Newsome almost drafted Mangold over Haloti Ngata in '06 so I wouldn't totally rule out the possibility of taking Linderbaum in the top-12, given JD's heritage.
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Supposedly Ozzie Newsome almost drafted Mangold over Haloti Ngata in '06 so I wouldn't totally rule out the possibility of taking Linderbaum in the top-12, given JD's heritage.
That's an interesting wrinkle.
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The only outcome that would really disappoint me in the first round of this draft would be not coming away with one of the elite edge rushers.
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I'm also generally against the idea of taking a center in the top half of the first round because I question how much that player can really impact a game, regardless of how good he is. I'm admittedly not an expert in this regard. Peyton Manning might argue a Jeff Saturday is worth a top-10 pick for all I know...
(Jeff Saturday was undrafted, ironically)
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I also think it's likely that Linderbaum gets drafted later than most are projecting right now since any prospect has at least some chance of missing and if a GM's going to miss on a player taken inside the top-15, they'd likely prefer it to be at a more defensible position. For context, the highest drafted center in history was Mike Pouncey who was taken 15th overall by the Dolphins in 2011.
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The only outcome that would really disappoint me in the first round of this draft would be not coming away with one of the elite edge rushers.
We may have to rely on Seattle to land us one.
My educated gut tells me the jets' pick will end up in the back half of the top 10.
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We can beat Philly, New Orleans, and Jacksonville. We could also lose to all three of them.
Our draft slotting will be interesting.
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We can beat Philly, New Orleans, and Jacksonville. We could also lose to all three of them.
Our draft slotting will be interesting.
Dolphins game is winnable, too.
Hopefully, we go 4-0 in the next 4 games before facing TB and BUF to end the season in our miracle playoff run.
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The only outcome that would really disappoint me in the first round of this draft would be not coming away with one of the elite edge rushers.
Same. If we get one of them with our higher pick then the second pick can be basically any of the other possibilities and I couldn't complain.
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Same. If we get one of them with our higher pick then the second pick can be basically any of the other possibilities and I couldn't complain.
Yes. I want an edge rusher. I'm a little worried we won't have a chance at Thibodeaux or Hutchinson. Haven't dug into anyone else much yet.
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I just want Seattle to finish 3-14. If that happens and we still don’t get one of those two, there’s nothing more that could be done about.
But damnit I’ve wanted an edge destroyer since before we drafted that useless shithead Gholston
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Yes. I want an edge rusher. I'm a little worried we won't have a chance at Thibodeaux or Hutchinson. Haven't dug into anyone else much yet.
EDGE Tier 2 is going to be George Karlaftis and David Ojabo
There's big drop off after Hutchinson and then another big one after Ojabo.
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That's an interesting wrinkle.
Interesting particularly because it makes me think what we'd have been if he'd taken Mangold and we'd had Ngata. Obviously Mangold was a huge part of a great period for us, but imagine what Rex's defense might have looked like with Ngata. (I know that Mangold predates Rex, I'm assuming that Mangini would still have been fired when he was.)
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I would like at least one edge rusher, two would be preferable (one early, one later) because I don't trust Lawson to ever play a full season under his contract.
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Interesting particularly because it makes me think what we'd have been if he'd taken Mangold and we'd had Ngata. Obviously Mangold was a huge part of a great period for us, but imagine what Rex's defense might have looked like with Ngata. (I know that Mangold predates Rex, I'm assuming that Mangini would still have been fired when he was.)
Ngata was a stud...but it was a privilege to watch Kris Jenkins destroy people instead.
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Why?
Why not?
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Why not?
Hutchinson should certainly be the pick, just not positive about Stingley over Ekwonu or Wilson.
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I would like at least one edge rusher, two would be preferable (one early, one later) because I don't trust Lawson to ever play a full season under his contract.
The idea of our dline being lawson, quinnen, jfm, Huff, and thibs or Hutchinson has me engorged
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The idea of our dline being lawson, quinnen, jfm, Huff, and thibs or Hutchinson has me engorged
And there I go getting my hopes up again
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I just want Seattle to finish 3-14. If that happens and we still don’t get one of those two, there’s nothing more that could be done about.
But damnit I’ve wanted an edge destroyer since before we drafted that useless shithead Gholston
Seahawks still have Houston, Detroit and Chicago on the schedule. They're going to win some games. As much fun as it is that the Seahawks have the #4 pick, I'd be shocked if it ended up that high.
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And there I go getting my hopes up again
Hahah..its only December, bro. Conserve the lube.
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https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-mock-draft-aidan-hutchinson-kenny-pickett-houston-texans
We miss out on Hutch/Thibs, land Neal and Stingley.
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https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-mock-draft-aidan-hutchinson-kenny-pickett-houston-texans
We miss out on Hutch/Thibs, land Neal and Stingley.
I haven't studied much yet, but if Karlaftis is good enough to go at 6, I would prefer him at 4 or 5 over Neal and Stingley.
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4.Derek Stingley Jr.
CB LSU
5.George Karlaftis
EDGE Purdue
36. Zion Johnson
OG Boston College
40.Jalen Wydermyer
TE Texas A&M
68.Brandon Smith
LB Penn State
112.John Metchie III
WR Alabama
113.Smoke Monday
S Auburn
146.Jeremy Ruckert
TE Ohio State
160.Sincere McCormick
RB UTSA
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I like taking Wydermyer early on day 2.
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4.Derek Stingley Jr.
CB LSU
5.George Karlaftis
EDGE Purdue
36. Zion Johnson
OG Boston College
40.Jalen Wydermyer
TE Texas A&M
68.Brandon Smith
LB Penn State
112.John Metchie III
WR Alabama
113.Smoke Monday
S Auburn
146.Jeremy Ruckert
TE Ohio State
160.Sincere McCormick
RB UTSA
Did you pass on Kyle Hamilton?
I'm not sure if our defense is the best place for Hamilton because of how Saleh uses his safeties. But maybe that changes once an elite player enters the position group.
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Did you pass on Kyle Hamilton?
I'm not sure if our defense is the best place for Hamilton because of how Saleh uses his safeties. But maybe that changes once an elite player enters the position group.
I honestly don't remember if he was on the board or not. I took Hamilton last time I posted a mock. Went a different direction this time.
Unless we trade down or unless we have long-term concerns about Becton, the top 2 picks should be defense IMO. That seems like the best value at the top of the draft, unless we want to go with another OT. I think we're fine with Fant and/or Moses at one spot and Becton at the other, and I would rather spend a high pick on an IOL.
I would prefer a trade down to get in the wheelhouse for some of these receivers or IOL, but who knows if that option will be there.
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Assuming Jacksonville are picking 2nd, I'm not sure that that pick isn't in play for the right trade. I think they're going to place a higher importance on helping Lawrence out than adding to an already pretty decent pass rush, if we have the 4th and 5th picks then trading up to 2 to get one of the pass rushers seems like a possibility.
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Assuming Jacksonville are picking 2nd, I'm not sure that that pick isn't in play for the right trade. I think they're going to place a higher importance on helping Lawrence out than adding to an already pretty decent pass rush, if we have the 4th and 5th picks then trading up to 2 to get one of the pass rushers seems like a possibility.
Hopefully it wouldn't cost an obscene amount if there isn't a QB out there, but going up from 4 to 2 would almost certainly cost us a 2nd-round pick at the minimum. I'd rather not give up a premium pick if we don't have to, but if it looks like Hutch and Thibs are significantly better than the other edge options, it's an option.
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Hopefully it wouldn't cost an obscene amount if there isn't a QB out there, but going up from 4 to 2 would almost certainly cost us a 2nd-round pick at the minimum. I'd rather not give up a premium pick if we don't have to, but if it looks like Hutch and Thibs are significantly better than the other edge options, it's an option.
If going from 2 to 4 would mean that Jax can get an extra pick and still get the player they want eg Neal, it might not be a terrible cost. Any other trades would possibly mean them missing out on their first choice. We have a lot of picks next year, and I'm sold on the idea that adding an elite pass rusher is the single best thing we could do.
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If going from 2 to 4 would mean that Jax can get an extra pick and still get the player they want eg Neal, it might not be a terrible cost. Any other trades would possibly mean them missing out on their first choice. We have a lot of picks next year, and I'm sold on the idea that adding an elite pass rusher is the single best thing we could do.
You have to be really confident that there's a gap between Thibodeaux or Hutchinson and the next group of edge rushers.
I agree that edge rusher is the best thing we can do. However, we have a ton of needs on both sides of the ball at this point. If we get an A- edge rusher instead of an A+ edge rusher, but we also get a starting linebacker or tight end out of the mix, it's hard to justify trading up, especially when nobody knows for a fact that the "A+ rusher" will be better than the "A- rusher."
FWIW, the NFL Draft value chart would have a trade from 4 to 2 costing us 36 and 68. It might not cost that much, but I doubt it costs less than 36.
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CBS has Jax taking Ekwonu and the Texans taking Corrall, leaving us with Neal and Thibodeaux.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-panthers-steelers-lions-find-qbs-as-four-passers-go-in-round-1/
If this actually happened then I would actually anoint Douglas as the chosen one, not because he's done anything particularly good but because the one thing you can't teach is lucky and he would have gotten a whole bunch of that.
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It's been a long time, playing a lot of golf with trips to Myrtle Beach & Hilton Head, watching Hockey & College Football, working like crazy, and not online as much.
I believe the order is correct, even with the Hawks winning were still at #5, but don't expect that to last, their remaining schedule is a cupcake.
Here's my Current Mock via a simulator:
4: R1 P4 S Kyle Hamilton - Notre Dame
5: R1 P5 C Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa
36: R2 P4 CB Andrew Booth Jr. - Clemson
40: R2 P8 LB Nakobe Dean - Georgia
68: R3 P4 EDGE Nik Bonitto - Oklahoma
110: R4 P8 TE Charlie Kolar - Iowa State
115: R4 P13 WR Alec Pierce - Cincinnati
146: R5 P4 RB Jerome Ford - Cincinnati
157: R5 P15 DL Dante Stills - West Virginia
The top 2 edge rushers were gone.
IMO, my top 2 picks are future pro bowlers. I believe our current center is good, but JD won't pay a 13 mil cap hit next year.
Heavy Defense at the top, I believe quite a few of these players won't fall that far.
Love Charlie Kolar, doubt he falls to Rd 4.
Would have liked to get a guard, but the value on other players were too great. I also like our new Doctor on the line, JD should have been arrested for that.
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I like the idea of doing the reverse of what we did last year:
- free agency is focused on putting vets around zach
- day 1 and 2 should be defense focused with 1-2 offensive picks
- day 3 should mostly offense focused to fill in behind the vets we sign and build depth
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Only did two rounds bc what do I know...and traded back twice
1.4 - Kyle Hamilton S ND
1.23 - Devin Lloyd LB Utah
2.36 - Trent McDuffie CB Washington
2.40 - Zion Johnson OG BC
2.47 - Jalen Wydermyer TE Texas AM
2.55 - Jahan Dotson WR PSU
Also received CLE 2023 2nd rd pick
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i admittedly have no idea who kyle hamilton is and i get secondary is a huge concern, but if we used the 4th overall pick on a safety, i fear what i would do to myself in anger
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i admittedly have no idea who kyle hamilton is and i get secondary is a huge concern, but if we used the 4th overall pick on a safety, i fear what i would do to myself in anger
But think of the draft picks we'd get for him in another three years' time!
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But think of the draft picks we'd get for him in another TWO years' time!
FYP
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are you guys really bitching about selling high on an overpaid Safety who can't cover?
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are you guys really bitching about selling high on an overpaid Safety who can't cover?
No, we're mocking the way in which this franchise continues to fail to capitalise on the draft capital that so many fans obsess over.
Muhammad Wilkerson
That's it. That's the list of first round draft picks who have made it past their rookie contract with us in the last decade. So forgive me if I find the levels of excitement for kids in suits becoming millionaires in April to be somewhat misplaced, but given the chances of them actually contributing anything of sustained value to the franchise are minimally small it's definitely something worthy of being mocked.
Maybe this regime will be different, just like the others were going to be. I'll believe it when they actually are.
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No, we're mocking the way in which this franchise continues to fail to capitalise on the draft capital that so many fans obsess over.
Muhammad Wilkerson
That's it. That's the list of first round draft picks who have made it past their rookie contract with us in the last decade. So forgive me if I find the levels of excitement for kids in suits becoming millionaires in April to be somewhat misplaced, but given the chances of them actually contributing anything of sustained value to the franchise are minimally small it's definitely something worthy of being mocked.
Maybe this regime will be different, just like the others were going to be. I'll believe it when they actually are.
Green team bad
Except Darnold who was going to become good if we kept him.
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Green team bad
Except Darnold who was going to become good if we kept him.
I'm sorry, are you saying that the green team is in fact well run and successful?
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I'm sorry, are you saying that the green team is in fact well run and successful?
Do you still think that Sam Darnold is good?
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Do you still think that Sam Darnold is good?
I still think that with semi competent coaching and development he would have been. Which is my point every time we have this conversation - it doesn't matter where or who we draft if we don't develop them properly, which we consistently don't.
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I still think that with semi competent coaching and development he would have been. Which is my point every time we have this conversation - it doesn't matter where or who we draft if we don't develop them properly, which we consistently don't.
Yes, but do you still think that he's good right now? Or can he ever become good?
Because Carolina traded for him, gave him a top supporting cast, a great offensive mind, and he stunk. The OC got fired and the skill players got better with an XFL QB.
You wanted to keep Darnold. He was clearly done. If we would've kept him, we'd be much worse off.
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I love watching JE die on this hill. It gets more hilarious every time.
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I'm sorry, are you saying that the green team is in fact well run and successful?
Nothing is stopping the team from being well run and successful.
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Yes, but do you still think that he's good right now? Or can he ever become good?
Because Carolina traded for him, gave him a top supporting cast, a great offensive mind, and he stunk. The OC got fired and the skill players got better with an XFL QB.
You wanted to keep Darnold. He was clearly done. If we would've kept him, we'd be much worse off.
I'm not sure if you're deliberately trying to make my point for me here. The chances of him becoming good are fading, because his formative years were a clusterfuck and teams are less inclined to invest time and effort in fixing someone else's mistakes when they don't have the luxury of a rookie contract.
Or are you trying to say that you knew all along that he'd struggle?
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Nothing is stopping the team from being well run and successful.
....and yet here we are, a decade or more into being neither of those things. So clearly something is.
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I'm not sure if you're deliberately trying to make my point for me here. The chances of him becoming good are fading, because his formative years were a clusterfuck and teams are less inclined to invest time and effort in fixing someone else's mistakes when they don't have the luxury of a rookie contract.
Or are you trying to say that you knew all along that he'd struggle?
I’m saying that I knew he stunk last season and it was time to move on.
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I’m saying that I knew he stunk last season and it was time to move on.
Congratulations. It has absolutely nothing to do with my point though.
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Congratulations. It has absolutely nothing to do with my point though.
Were you not upset when we traded Sam Darnold?
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Congratulations. It has absolutely nothing to do with my point though.
I have yet to find a Jets fan that doesn’t agree with your point that Sam very well could have been a special QB. We didn’t give him what he needed to grow. Now he’s fucked beyond all recognition.
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4: R1 P4 EDGE Aidan Hutchinson - Michigan
6: R1 P6 CB Derek Stingley Jr. - LSU
36: R2 P4 WR Treylon Burks - Arkansas
40: R2 P8 G Zion Johnson - Boston College
68: R3 P4 S Brandon Joseph - Northwestern
110: R4 P8 LB Brandon Smith - Penn State
112: R4 P10 C Jarrett Patterson - Notre Dame
In retrospect should have taken one of the TEs available at 68 and grabbed a S later. Every decent TE was gone after the 3rd.
I think the first 4 picks would be quite a party though.
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....and yet here we are, a decade or more into being neither of those things. So clearly something is.
I can see how this is hard to understand when you constantly downplay the primary method of improving the team. It really must seem impossible.
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It's been a long time, playing a lot of golf with trips to Myrtle Beach & Hilton Head, watching Hockey & College Football, working like crazy, and not online as much.
Here's my Current Mock via a simulator:
4: R1 P4 S Kyle Hamilton - Notre Dame
5: R1 P5 C Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa
The top 2 edge rushers were gone.
IMO, my top 2 picks are future pro bowlers.
I believe our current center is good,
but JD won't pay a 13 mil cap hit next year.
I disagree about our current center McGovern. Matter of fact I wouldn't be surprised if you did too:
https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/draft-game-21.94563/page-11#post-4143929
"Fore!" ; )
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I can see how this is hard to understand when you constantly downplay the primary method of improving the team. It really must seem impossible.
We have participated in every single draft in the last decade, some of them quite extensively. Thus far we have singularly failed to improve the team, so clearly it's not just about drafting players.
Again, back to my point. Until we demonstrate an ability to develop and utilize players effectively, it is irrelevant who we draft.
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lmao
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We have participated in every single draft in the last decade, some of them quite extensively. Thus far we have singularly failed to improve the team, so clearly it's not just about drafting players.
Again, back to my point. Until we demonstrate an ability to develop and utilize players effectively, it is irrelevant who we draft.
Who's we? Woody Johnson?
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I disagree about our current center McGovern. Matter of fact I wouldn't be surprised if you did too:
https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/draft-game-21.94563/page-11#post-4143929
"Fore!" ; )
Boom...headshot
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If we draft a center top-5, I'm going to kill someone.
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If we draft a center top-5, I'm going to kill someone.
If he’s not a HOF player.
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If we draft a center top-5, I'm going to kill someone.
RIP Woody Johnson
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If we draft a center top-5, I'm going to kill someone.
if we draft a center in the top 5, you have to resurrect the Friars draft.
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If we draft a center top-5, I'm going to kill someone.
Are you saying center is not a premium position?
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If we draft a center top-5, I'm going to kill someone.
Careful with that ax Eugene, nobody's drafting a center top-5.
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if we draft a center in the top 5, you have to resurrect the Friars draft.
What is dead may never die.
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Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
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In his first mock draft, ESPN’s Todd McShay has the Jets selecting LSU CB Derek Stingiey Jr. at No. 4 and Notre Dame safety Kyle Hamilton at No. 9. Back to back DBs.
1. i don't see this happening for us
2. I doubt Hamilton drops to 9....I'd prefer a WR in that spot if possible.
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I would hate back to back DBs in the first as much as Heiss would hate a center in the first.
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I would hate back to back DBs in the first as much as Heiss would hate a center in the first.
Linderbaum/Hamilton 2022
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Linderbaum/Hamilton 2022
Sounds like a Presidental campaign bumper sticker.
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https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1470741371833229315?s=21
Jets fans say this a lot but this might be the one that would have me reconsidering what I’m doing with my life
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I expect to see a bunch of mock drafts that have us taking 2 defensive backs because on paper, it looks like we need DBs pretty badly, and the value of Stingley and Hamilton matches up with our pick numbers.
And let's be honest - we do need both positions badly, especially safety. We just need other positions more. If they use one pick on a DB, I would be OK with that, but 2 would be a disaster in terms of roster construction.
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I'd be fine with one DB but we beed EDGE and an offensive skill position.
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I'd be fine with one DB but we beed EDGE and an offensive skill position.
We also badly need linebackers. It seems like that need has been overlooked because it's usually not a position you take in the top 10, but we need at least 1 and maybe even 2-3 linebackers in this draft. I don't know what the FO thinks of Quincy and Nasirildeen long-term. Sherwood, too, but he had a pretty bad injury, so I don't see how you can count on him at all.
At least one of those day 2 picks needs to be on a linebacker with some speed.
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Really looking forward to watching Ojabo in the playoff. I've only watched a couple Perdue games, but Karlaftis doesn't really do anything that blows my mind. Ojabo does.
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Really looking forward to watching Ojabo in the playoff. I've only watched a couple Perdue games, but Karlaftis doesn't really do anything that blows my mind. Ojabo does.
Ojabo also plays opposite Hutchinson, so his job is a little easier.
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Who will be more impactful: Devin Lloyd or Kyle Hamilton?
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Ojabo also plays opposite Hutchinson, so his job is a little easier.
I need to watch more, but one of the things that caught my eye about DO is how frequently backs/TEs help out when blocking him. He draws a lot of attention for an "other guy."
Really curious to see how Georgia plays them.
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We also badly need linebackers. It seems like that need has been overlooked because it's usually not a position you take in the top 10, but we need at least 1 and maybe even 2-3 linebackers in this draft. I don't know what the FO thinks of Quincy and Nasirildeen long-term. Sherwood, too, but he had a pretty bad injury, so I don't see how you can count on him at all.
At least one of those day 2 picks needs to be on a linebacker with some speed.
That's because it's the position with the most supply behind only dt. There really isn't a need to waste top draft capital on the position.
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That's because it's the position with the most supply behind only dt. There really isn't a need to waste top draft capital on the position.
I don't think using a day 2 pick on a LB is waste of draft capital. Look at Micah Parsons.
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I don't think using a day 2 pick on a LB is waste of draft capital. Look at Micah Parsons.
Parsons was the 12th overall pick and probably would’ve gone top five if he wasn’t a massive turd off the field
That said, we should heavily consider Devin Lloyd with Seattle’s pick.
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I don't think using a day 2 pick on a LB is waste of draft capital. Look at Micah Parsons.
Devin Bush has also been pretty good value for the 10th pick.
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Linebacker is an extremely impactful position, especially when some of these hybrid types can cover, rush the passer, and defend the run.
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That said, we should heavily consider Devin Lloyd with Seattle’s pick.
+1
Might be the BPA at a position of massive need.
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4. Aidan Hutchinson EDGE Michigan
27. Devin Lloyd LB Utah
36. Trent McDuffie CB Washington
39. Zion Johnson OG Boston College
50. Jalen Tolbert WR South Alabama
58. Jordan Battle S Alabama
111. Tyler Allgeier RB BYU
146. Sam LaPorta TE Iowa
157. Obinna Eze OT TCU
Picks acquired in 2023:
2023 DEN 1st
2023 KC 2nd
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4. Aidan Hutchinson EDGE Michigan
27. Devin Lloyd LB Utah
36. Trent McDuffie CB Washington
39. Zion Johnson OG Boston College
50. Jalen Tolbert WR South Alabama
58. Jordan Battle S Alabama
111. Tyler Allgeier RB BYU
146. Sam LaPorta TE Iowa
157. Obinna Eze OT TCU
Picks acquired in 2023:
2023 DEN 1st
2023 KC 2nd
I really enjoy having another team's future first.
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4. Aidan Hutchinson EDGE Michigan
-Masturbate furiously
...Douglas wakes up from a blackout..."wait what happened? Its the 7th round already???"
-Whacks it one more time and drafts a gord in the 7th.
FYP
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I really enjoy having another team's future first.
Given the way the draft looks, I really hope we can find a way to trade down with one of those picks.
I also wouldn't mind pushing some picks into next year. The Patriots draft like crap, but I always loved how they kept stockpiling picks and then deferring some until future years.
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Did another 3 rd mock while waiting for a meeting to start
4.Kayvon Thibodeaux
EDGE Oregon
26.Treylon Burks
WR Arkansas
36.Trevor Penning
OT Northern Iowa
39.Isaiah Likely
TE Coastal Carolina
43.Christian Harris
LB Alabama
48. Jalen Wydermyer
TE Texas A&M
68. Jalen Tolbert
WR South Alabama
82.Devonte Wyatt
DT Georgia
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New York Receives:
2022: Round 1, Pick 11
2022: Round 1, Pick 21
2022: Round 6, Pick 200
2022: Round 6, Pick 208
Philadelphia Receives:
2022: Round 1, Pick 4
2022: Round 3, Pick 68
7
Round: 1
Tyler Linderbaum IOL | Iowa
11
Round: 1
Treylon Burks WR | Arkansas
21
Round: 1
David Ojabo EDGE | Michigan
36
Round: 2
Nakobe Dean LB | Georgia
39
Round: 2
Drake Jackson EDGE | USC
109
Round: 4
Henry To'oto'o LB | Alabama
111
Round: 4
Cole Turner TE | Nevada
145
Round: 5
Zach Charbonnet RB | UCLA
156
Round: 5
Max Mitchell OT | Louisiana-Lafayette
200
Round: 6
Greg Eisworth II S | Iowa State
208
Round: 6
DeMarvion Overshown LB | Texas
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New York Receives:
2022: Round 1, Pick 11
2022: Round 1, Pick 21
2022: Round 6, Pick 200
2022: Round 6, Pick 208
Philadelphia Receives:
2022: Round 1, Pick 4
2022: Round 3, Pick 68
7
Round: 1
Tyler Linderbaum IOL | Iowa
11
Round: 1
Treylon Burks WR | Arkansas
21
Round: 1
David Ojabo EDGE | Michigan
36
Round: 2
Nakobe Dean LB | Georgia
39
Round: 2
Drake Jackson EDGE | USC
109
Round: 4
Henry To'oto'o LB | Alabama
111
Round: 4
Cole Turner TE | Nevada
145
Round: 5
Zach Charbonnet RB | UCLA
156
Round: 5
Max Mitchell OT | Louisiana-Lafayette
200
Round: 6
Greg Eisworth II S | Iowa State
208
Round: 6
DeMarvion Overshown LB | Texas
This mock draft fucks
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Would love if JD can find a way to trade down. We already have 4 premium picks but would love if we could get 5 (amd/or push some of these into next year)
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This was Connor Rogers' mock.
4. OT Evan Neal
7. WR Treylon Burks
36. EDGE Jermaine Johnson
39. S Jordan Battle
68. RB Isaiah Spiller
109. LB Channing Tindall
111. TE Charlie Kolar
145. CB Tariq Woolen
156. WR Jaivon Heiligh
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This was Connor Rogers' mock.
4. OT Evan Neal
7. WR Treylon Burks
36. EDGE Jermaine Johnson
39. S Jordan Battle
68. RB Isaiah Spiller
109. LB Channing Tindall
111. TE Charlie Kolar
145. CB Tariq Woolen
156. WR Jaivon Heiligh
Love the 1st 3 picks
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Very cool with the Burks pick. I’d rather take Ekwonu over Neal if we go OL.
Burks at 4 and Lloyd at 7 is also intriguing.
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Fun with trades
16. Ikem Ekwonu
OT North Carolina State
23. Treylon Burks
WR Arkansas
28. Jaquan Brisker
S Penn State
39. Zion Johnson
OG Boston College
41. Sam Williams
EDGE Mississippi
56. Travon Walker
DT Georgia
92. Chad Muma
LB Wyoming
97. Tyler Allgeier
RB BYU
139. Channing Tindall
LB Georgia
146. Josh Whyle
TE Cincinnati
198. Greg Dulcich
TE UCLA
Future picks acquired
2023 NO 2nd
2023 ATL 2nd
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I for one don't want us using two top 10 picks on a wide reciver and a center, I just don't see them as high value positions. That being said, I couldn't really be mad at JD if he did it. This team will live and die by the success of ZW, why not do everything you can to make him successful.
I do wonder, is there a top wide reciever we can steal from a team for a 1st round pick? 1 player that comes to mind...
- Michael Thomas
- he isn't playing this year and they are 7-7
- he is coming off a major injury
- as good as their defense is, they need to find a qb
The only thing is cap hit is ~20mm
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How is WR not a high value position?
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I for one don't want us using two top 10 picks on a wide reciver and a center, I just don't see them as high value positions. That being said, I couldn't really be mad at JD if he did it. This team will live and die by the success of ZW, why not do everything you can to make him successful.
I do wonder, is there a top wide reciever we can steal from a team for a 1st round pick? 1 player that comes to mind...
- Michael Thomas
- he isn't playing this year and they are 7-7
- he is coming off a major injury
- as good as their defense is, they need to find a qb
The only thing is cap hit is ~20mm
I mentioned a while ago that I wondered if JD would try to get a veteran via trade. If guys don't want to come here, we can trade for them and force them to come.
I have no idea what Thomas' trade value would be at this point after the injury, but he's probably available. The Brandon Marshall trade was great for us.
I've also come around on WR as a premium position. It's no QB, EDGE, or LT, but I might rank it 4th after those 3. In today's NFL, you need receivers who can get open and make plays.
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How is WR not a high value position?
Behind only rb, dt, and guard it's the position with the most supply. For that reason I don't see it as a high value position to draft in the top 10.
Out of the top 20 receiving yard leaders this year only 3 are top 10 picks and only 1 is top 5. The majority a d 2nd and 3rd round players.
I'd rather trade for a probowler or draft 3 2nd/3rd rounders than use a top 10 pick on a wide reciever
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draft 3 2nd/3rd rounders than use a top 10 pick on a wide reciever
This is how we ended up with Denzel Mims and Devin Smith. You can bring up Kupp, Allen, and Adams as top receivers that have gone outside of the first...but what do all of those guys have in common? Strong QB play, which we don't have yet.
Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Andre Johnson...all worth it. If there is an elite receiver up top, you take him.
Guys like Deebo and Diggs slipped significantly in the draft because of injuries. Kupp too. We might see that happen with Drake London and John Metchie (if he declares), but if we have a shot to get Wilson another playmaker early, he needs it.
Treylon Burks could be the next Andre Johnson.
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You can also point to success stories at any position outside the 1st round. Edge seems to be the one position where most of the sack leaders are 1st-round picks. Same with QB and passing stats. And that's part of why those are premium positions.
What positions outside EDGE, QB and OT are more important to draft than WR? Maybe a pass-rushing DT? Maybe CB? It's definitely in the next tier.
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Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Andre Johnson...all worth it. If there is an elite receiver up top, you take him. .
But we aren't getting one of those players at 7. There isn't a Jamar chase in this draft.
I'd much prefer to trade a 1st for a probowl wide receiver. A sure thing, who can teach zach a thing or two on day one than roll the dice with a wide receiver.
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You can also point to success stories at any position outside the 1st round. Edge seems to be the one position where most of the sack leaders are 1st-round picks. Same with QB and passing stats. And that's part of why those are premium positions.
What positions outside EDGE, QB and OT are more important to draft than WR? Maybe a pass-rushing DT? Maybe CB? It's definitely in the next tier.
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Cb. That is it.
If I'm a gm, my strategy is taking a player at one of those 4 positions or I'm trading out and getting value.
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But we aren't getting one of those players at 7. There isn't a Jamar chase in this draft.
I'd much prefer to trade a 1st for a probowl wide receiver. A sure thing, who can teach zach a thing or two on day one than roll the dice with a wide receiver.
Most receivers who would be available in a trade have some issues with them. The Brandon Marshall trade worked out great here, but even he ended up having some locker room issues. Michael Thomas has been a pain in the derriere with the Saints recently.
It's a lot easier said than done to say "trade a 1st for a Pro Bowl wide receiver," especially since the only 1sts we have are in the top 10 right now.
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Cb. That is it.
If I'm a gm, my strategy is taking a player at one of those 4 positions or I'm trading out and getting value.
Why is CB clearly more important that WR? I think they're probably on the same tier, but I would give the edge to WR. I definitely wouldn't lump it in with QB, edge and OT.
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There isn't a Jamar chase in this draft.
But there is a Treylon Burks
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Why is CB clearly more important that WR? I think they're probably on the same tier, but I would give the edge to WR. I definitely wouldn't lump it in with QB, edge and OT.
It's more difficult to be successful at CB in today's NFL. The game is called in favor of the offense.
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Most receivers who would be available in a trade have some issues with them. The Brandon Marshall trade worked out great here, but even he ended up having some locker room issues. Michael Thomas has been a pain in the derriere with the Saints recently.
It's a lot easier said than done to say "trade a 1st for a Pro Bowl wide receiver," especially since the only 1sts we have are in the top 10 right now.
I understand this and I'm not saying if jd doesn't do this it's a failure. My preference is to get zach a sure thing rather than rolling the dice in the top 10 at a position that has more supply than almost any position in football.
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But there is a Treylon Burks
You're taking burks over any of the wide recievers who went top 10 this year?!
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If Burks tests well at the combine he's absolutely worth a look even in the top 5
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It's more difficult to be successful at CB in today's NFL. The game is called in favor of the offense.
100%, and that's why I prefer the WR over the CB, but it's close. WR, DT and CB are all pretty similar in terms of value for me.
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You're taking burks over any of the wide recievers who went top 10 this year?!
I wouldn't take him over JaMarr Chase, but I'd consider him over the Alabama receivers.
He has the size that they both lack.
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I did a mock draft this morning with a single trade.
Traded pick 4 and 121 to the Panthers for pick 7, 106 and their 2023 2nd and 3rd rounders.
Jets Draft:
1st rd
7 - OT Evan Neal (Alabama)
8 - WR Garrett Wilson (Ohio St)
2nd rd
35 - LB Brandan Smith (Penn St)
39 - HB Isaiah Spiller (Texas A&M)
3rd rd
68 - C Jarret Patterson (Notre Dame)
106 - TE Jahleel Billingsley (Alabama)
4th rd
109 - LB Quay Walker (Georgia)
146 - CB Alontae Taylor (Tennessee)
5th rd
159 - DT Logan Hall (Houston)
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100%, and that's why I prefer the WR over the CB, but it's close. WR, DT and CB are all pretty similar in terms of value for me.
It's harder to be successful as a cb so you'd rather not draft the best one available in a given draft and take a wr?
This logic is boggling my mind.
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He has the size that they both lack.
This is one thing I really hope JD focuses on this off season. I think Zach would benefit from some bigger body recievers who can make contested catches. I think JD went into this offseason trying to secure those types of players (Davis, Cole), but because of injuries and lack of production we end up passing to mostly having 5'8 recievers which I think is detrimental to zachs skillset.
Burks size would be reminiscent of the reciever zach threw to at byu
I'm curious to see burks vertical. He seems more like an Anquan boldin then a Larry Fitz high flyer.
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It's harder to be successful as a cb so you'd rather not draft the best one available in a given draft and take a wr?
This logic is boggling my mind.
If it's easier for the receiver to succeed, give me the dominant receiver who can take over the game much more easily over a cornerback who is handcuffed in part by the current rules. When in doubt, give me the guy who scores points and can be the focal point of an offense, as opposed to 1 of 11 on a defense. You can create a great pass defense with average cornerbacks if you have a great pass rush. Hard to create a great pass offense with average receivers.
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4: R1 P4 EDGE Aidan Hutchinson - Michigan
8: R1 P8 C Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa
36: R2 P4 LB Nakobe Dean - Georgia
39: R2 P7 WR Drake London - USC
68: R3 P4 RB Isaiah Spiller - Texas A&M
109: R4 P7 LB Henry To'o To'o - Alabama
121: R4 P19 S Bryan Cook - Cincinnati
146: R5 P4 TE Jeremy Ruckert - Ohio State
159: R5 P17 CB Damarion Williams - Houston
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4: R1 P4 EDGE Aidan Hutchinson - Michigan
8: R1 P8 C Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa
36: R2 P4 LB Nakobe Dean - Georgia
39: R2 P7 WR Drake London - USC
68: R3 P4 RB Isaiah Spiller - Texas A&M
109: R4 P7 LB Henry To'o To'o - Alabama
121: R4 P19 S Bryan Cook - Cincinnati
146: R5 P4 TE Jeremy Ruckert - Ohio State
159: R5 P17 CB Damarion Williams - Houston
the perfect mock. Worth trading your soul for.
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A center in the top ten is just disgusting
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A center in the top ten is just disgusting
If we get Hutch then we can do anything we want with the next pick.
However, had I grabbed Hamilton or Stingley/Gardner at 8, a number of good IOL options were still there in the 2nd.
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A center in the top ten is just disgusting
If we get Hutch then we can do anything we want with the next pick.
However, had I grabbed Hamilton or Stingley/Gardner at 8, a number of good IOL options were still there in the 2nd.
Draft a guard at 4.
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Draft a guard at 4.
And a safety at 8. You can find pass rushers anywhere in the draft, just ask our previous GMs.
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Did another 3 rd mock with all the trades
1.15 Devin Lloyd LB Utah
1.16 Drake London WR USC
2.35 Tyler Linderbaum C Iowa
2.39 Jermaine Johnson EDGE FSU
2.46 Brandon Smith LB PSU
2.47 Jordan Battle S Alabama
3.68 Isaiah Likely TE Coast Carolina
2023 LV 2nd Rd pick
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If we get Hutch then we can do anything we want with the next pick.
However, had I grabbed Hamilton or Stingley/Gardner at 8, a number of good IOL options were still there in the 2nd.
Linderbaum at 8 is a bit of a reach...but i wouldn't be mad about it.
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Did another 3 rd mock with all the trades
1.15 Devin Lloyd LB Utah
1.16 Drake London WR USC
2.35 Tyler Linderbaum C Iowa
2.39 Jermaine Johnson EDGE FSU
2.46 Brandon Smith LB PSU
2.47 Jordan Battle S Alabama
3.68 Isaiah Likely TE Coast Carolina
2023 LV 2nd Rd pick
I dont care how good he is, if we draft an off ball lb with our 1st pick I'm going to lose it.
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Linderbaum at 8 is a bit of a reach...but i wouldn't be mad about it.
If he’s nearly as good as Mangold was long term we’d be happy to have him. But hopefully we could trade back from 8 to the low-mid teens for someone looking for the last pass rusher or perhaps QB 2 and still get him.
That said I am getting more and more intrigued by Burks and getting us an actual freaking top WR threat for Wilson. Honestly that’s the damn dream, trade down, get more picks and still land either an elite WR or OL prospect for Wilson to grow up with
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I dont care how good he is, if we draft an off ball lb with our 1st pick I'm going to lose it.
Lloyd is a great pass rusher too
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I dont care how good he is, if we draft an off ball lb with our 1st pick I'm going to lose it.
Still suffering from PTSD with the Darron Lee pick?
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Still suffering from PTSD with the Darron Lee pick?
Not even. If we are picking top 5 with a chance to get a franchise edge rusher, we can't defer that opportunity to get more draft capital. We haven't had one since John Abraham. Don't overthink it, take Thibs or Hutch and keep it moving.
As much as I hate taking a wide receiver top 10 I'd prefer that over an off the ball linebacker in this stage of our rebuild. Zach Wilson (I actually typed Zach Darnold) can't fail. We need to do everything in our ability to ensure that doesn't happen.
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Not even. If we are picking top 5 with a chance to get a franchise edge rusher, we can't defer that opportunity to get more draft capital. We haven't had one since John Abraham. Don't overthink it, take Thibs or Hutch and keep it moving.
As much as I hate taking a wide receiver top 10 I'd prefer that over an off the ball linebacker in this stage of our rebuild. Zach Wilson (I actually typed Zach Darnold) can't fail. We need to do everything in our ability to ensure that doesn't happen.
Assume that Thibs and Hutch are gone. Nobody on this board would pass them if they are there. But at 4, odds are they are gone.
I get being positionally aware with high picks. Thats why I dont want Linderbaum in the top 10. But we have a QB (hopefully), we have Fant and Becton at OT, and the best edges might be gone.
An OT in the top 10 is fine given Mekhi's innjries, but we have 2 startable options already, both of whom can play left tackle.
After that, you can sell me on a lot of positions, starting with WR.
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Not even. If we are picking top 5 with a chance to get a franchise edge rusher, we can't defer that opportunity to get more draft capital. We haven't had one since John Abraham. Don't overthink it, take Thibs or Hutch and keep it moving.
As much as I hate taking a wide receiver top 10 I'd prefer that over an off the ball linebacker in this stage of our rebuild. Zach Wilson (I actually typed Zach Darnold) can't fail. We need to do everything in our ability to ensure that doesn't happen.
I'm drafting under the assumption both EDGE guys are gone.
If someone wants to move up to 4 to take Neal or whomever, I think walking away with a WR and a day one starting LB plus more draft capital is a great outcome.
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I'm drafting under the assumption both EDGE guys are gone.
If someone wants to move up to 4 to take Neal or whomever, I think walking away with a WR and a day one starting LB plus more draft capital is a great outcome.
Absolutely. Getting our third and fourth choices in the first round this year in order to be able to draft more Perines, Clarks and Zunigas will be the making of the team.
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Absolutely. Getting our third and fourth choices in the first round this year in order to be able to draft more Perines, Clarks and Zunigas will be the making of the team.
Or we can be adding the likes of Moore, Hall, and Carters
I get our drafts have been less than stellar in recent years...and this is a huge one for JD...but all I'm saying is if we don't love someone at 4 and we can slide back and still get our guy, I am in favor.
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Or we can be adding the likes of Moore, Hall, and Carters
I get our drafts have been less than stellar in recent years...and this is a huge one for JD...but all I'm saying is if we don't love someone at 4 and we can slide back and still get our guy, I am in favor.
I am not. If we want to be picking later in the draft then we should win more games, when we suck we need to take advantage of the can't miss players at the top.
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I am not. If we want to be picking later in the draft then we should win more games, when we suck we need to take advantage of the can't miss players at the top.
If the top 2 edges are gone, who is or isn't a can't-miss player becomes much more of a debate.
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I am not. If we want to be picking later in the draft then we should win more games, when we suck we need to take advantage of the can't miss players at the top.
Problem is there isn’t always a can’t miss player left at the top, and if you can slide back you should. Or it could be that we already got one top guy as a pass rusher and the next guys are the tier 2 pass rushers that we no longer need and somebody else wants, so it makes sense to stockpile assets there.
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Or we can be adding the likes of Moore, Hall, and Carters
I get our drafts have been less than stellar in recent years...and this is a huge one for JD...but all I'm saying is if we don't love someone at 4 and we can slide back and still get our guy, I am in favor.
This. I get thst we dont draft well typically, but we need to draft well to build a winner. 2021 is a great start if Wilson can be the answer but we need to build on that. That is how you build a core. There isn't really a workaround if we dont draft well. And if we have a great draft to go on top of 2021, all of a sudden we are building a good team.
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I get that we don't draft well typically,
I'm responding to this sentiment more than I am to you specifically, but it's not really fair to say this when the current regime only has two drafts under their belt that are almost entirely TBD.
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I'm responding to this sentiment more than I am to you specifically, but it's not really fair to say this when the current regime only has two drafts under their belt that are almost entirely TBD.
For the JD regime, this statement you made is true.
But for Jets fans, believing in the draft is key to actually being good. But it’s so freaking hard to believe we can do it, because outside of 00, 06 and 07 our drafts have been a disaster for over 20 years. That’s the piece Smalls is pointing out. People don’t believe trading down (or up) works because we can’t pick the right guys
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my christmas eve mock (no trades this time) on PFN
NYJ
4.
Aidan Hutchinson
EDGE Michigan
NYJ
8.
Garrett Wilson
WR Ohio State
NYJ
35.
Zion Johnson
OG Boston College
NYJ
39.
Brandon Smith
LB Penn State
NYJ
68.
Trey McBride
TE Colorado State
NYJ
109.
Tykee Smith
S Georgia
NYJ
121.
Channing Tindall
LB Georgia
NYJ
146.
Tyler Goodson
RB Iowa
NYJ
159.
Zakoby McClain
LB Auburn
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Tindall is freaking awesome
Might be the fastest LB in the draft class
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The All-Playoff Mock Draft:
4 Evan Neal OT | Alabama
8 David Ojabo EDGE | Michigan
35 Myjai Sanders EDGE | Cincinnati
40 Nakobe Dean LB | Georgia
68 John Metchie III WR | Alabama
110 Channing Tindall LB | Georgia
121 Josh Whyle TE | Cincinnati
145 James Cook RB | Georgia
158 Brad Hawkins S | Michigan
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Dean and Tindall would change this defense in a hurry. Those are the two fastest front seven players in college football right now.
I need to watch more of Charles Cross but he might be a better fit for us than Neal. Same goes for Icky Ekwonu.
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Channing Tindall and Cameron Thomas are my two favorite defensive players in this draft class.
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With the Jets other 1st rounder moving up to #6...i decided to do another mock. This included one trade, I traded that #6 pick to Denver for #11 and their 2nd rounder (#42).
4. Kayvon Thibodeaux - EDGE Oregon
11. Tyler Linderbaum - OC Iowa
35. Jalen Wydermyer - TE Texas A&M
38. Brandon Smith - LB Penn State
42. Jordan Battle - S Alabama
69. Kyren Williams - RB Notre Dame
109. Jaxson Kirkland - OG Washington
115. Channing Tindall - LB Georgia
145. George Pickens - WR Georgia
158. Ifeanyi Maijeh - DT Rutgers
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I'm a little down on Wydermyer. He drops a ton of passes, but he'd be a solid pick in the fourth round or later. If we go TE early, it has to be McBride.
George Pickens is a first rounder if healthy. Tindall would be a gamechanger for the front seven.
Kyren Williams is my favorite RB to pair with Michael Carter. I hope we bring back Coleman too.
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Completed two mock drafts on TDN.
No EDGE in the 1st Round:
Ikem Ekwonu - OG - NC State
Jameson Williams - WR - Alabama
Jermaine Johnson - EDGE - Florida State
Daxton Hill - S - Michigan
Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
Coby Bryant - CB - Cincinnati
Channing Tindall - LB - Georgia
Justyn Ross - WR - Clemson
Cole Turner - TE - Nevada
Two defensive starters in the second round, plus McBride slid into the third.
EDGE in the 1st Round:
George Karlaftis - EDGE - Purdue
Jameson Williams - WR - Alabama
Sauce Gardner - CB - Cincinnati
Zion Johnson - IOL - Boston College
Isaiah Spiller - RB - Texas A&M
Tariq Woolen - CB - UTSA
Channing Tindall - LB - Georgia
Cole Turner - TE - Nevada
Charlie Kolar - TE - Iowa State
TEs came off the board earlier on this one, so I went with Isaiah Spiller in that spot. If we're following the Bengals blueprint, he'd be our Joe Mixon.
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Completed two mock drafts on TDN.
No EDGE in the 1st Round:
Ikem Ekwonu - OG - NC State
Jameson Williams - WR - Alabama
Jermaine Johnson - EDGE - Florida State
Daxton Hill - S - Michigan
Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
Coby Bryant - CB - Cincinnati
Channing Tindall - LB - Georgia
Justyn Ross - WR - Clemson
Cole Turner - TE - Nevada
Two defensive starters in the second round, plus McBride slid into the third.
EDGE in the 1st Round:
George Karlaftis - EDGE - Purdue
Jameson Williams - WR - Alabama
Sauce Gardner - CB - Cincinnati
Zion Johnson - IOL - Boston College
Isaiah Spiller - RB - Texas A&M
Tariq Woolen - CB - UTSA
Channing Tindall - LB - Georgia
Cole Turner - TE - Nevada
Charlie Kolar - TE - Iowa State
TEs came off the board earlier on this one, so I went with Isaiah Spiller in that spot. If we're following the Bengals blueprint, he'd be our Joe Mixon.
I saw EDGE - Florida and before I read State I just imagined the entire board imploding if we drafted a DL from Florida again. Man that would be amazing.
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Completed two mock drafts on TDN.
No EDGE in the 1st Round:
Ikem Ekwonu - OG - NC State
Jameson Williams - WR - Alabama
Jermaine Johnson - EDGE - Florida State
Daxton Hill - S - Michigan
Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
Coby Bryant - CB - Cincinnati
Channing Tindall - LB - Georgia
Justyn Ross - WR - Clemson
Cole Turner - TE - Nevada
Two defensive starters in the second round, plus McBride slid into the third.
EDGE in the 1st Round:
George Karlaftis - EDGE - Purdue
Jameson Williams - WR - Alabama
Sauce Gardner - CB - Cincinnati
Zion Johnson - IOL - Boston College
Isaiah Spiller - RB - Texas A&M
Tariq Woolen - CB - UTSA
Channing Tindall - LB - Georgia
Cole Turner - TE - Nevada
Charlie Kolar - TE - Iowa State
TEs came off the board earlier on this one, so I went with Isaiah Spiller in that spot. If we're following the Bengals blueprint, he'd be our Joe Mixon.
Did you take Williams over Burks in both?
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I did
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I'm curious why you would rank Burks over Williams and then draft Williams over Burks for the Jets.
Better fit?
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I'm curious why you would rank Burks over Williams and then draft Williams over Burks for the Jets.
Better fit?
Yes, a better fit in the scheme. We need deep speed.
Jameson Williams vs. Sauce Gardner in the playoff is huge. Williams cooks him and Bryant a few times and he's WR1.
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I obviously love Burks, but this team needs a big play threat. Burks is more of a possession YAC type that occasionally wins deep if he gets a good matchup.
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I obviously love Burks, but this team needs a big play threat. Burks is more of a possession YAC type that occasionally wins deep if he gets a good matchup.
So I’m terms of our offense, Corey Davis’ role, but (hopefully) better at it.
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So I’m terms of our offense, Corey Davis’ role, but (hopefully) better at it.
Very similar, but Burks is good in the screen game too. Those little swings we throw to Berrios...Burks can do that at a high level.
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Very similar, but Burks is good in the screen game too. Those little swings we throw to Berrios...Burks can do that at a high level.
But essentially not enough of an upgrade to the offense to warrant both containing to pay Davis and using a top 10 pick on.
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But essentially not enough of an upgrade to the offense to warrant both containing to pay Davis and using a top 10 pick on.
If you have a bunch of guys that do the same things, you can move guys around in formations but you won't be able to be very creative.
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But essentially not enough of an upgrade to the offense to warrant both containing to pay Davis and using a top 10 pick on.
Corey Davis has a dead cap hit of nearly $15M next season. We're not cutting him.
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If you have a bunch of guys that do the same things, you can move guys around in formations but you won't be able to be very creative.
Garrett Wilson is still my guy. Our current WRs have a hard time catching the ball...Wilson has Nuk Hopkins vacuum cleaner hands. This will come in handy for a QB with accuracy deficiencies.
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Jameson Williams' skillset pairs with Elijah Moore and Corey Davis plus any tight end that we add
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Jameson Williams' skillset pairs with Elijah Moore and Corey Davis plus any tight end that we add
Kinda like Vyncynt Smith
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Everything I've seen from Burks is that he can fly. There's video of him outrunning Alabama defensive backs. People have charted him at over 22 miles per hour running. He doesn't have the raw acceleration of Jameson Williams, but his top speed is as fast as anyone, which is scary at his size. There are a ton of clips of defensive backs who think they have an angle on him, and then they just get dusted.
Arkansas gives him touches on swing passes, reverses, and all sorts of different ways to get him the ball. I think he provides a completely different element than either Moore or Davis with his size/speed combination. He isn't a raw deep threat, but he is plenty fast, and we can get him the ball a lot of different ways. He's even got 14 rushes this season. He's gotten some Deebo Samuel comparisons, and I get it. He doesn't look as natural of a runner, but he's got all the athleticism and then some. I've also seen DK Metcalf comps with his athleticism.
Looking forward to watching more of him. He's definitely a YAC receiver, but his usage is very different than Davis. Davis and Moore have such different skillsets, where we can go a few different directions for the 3rd WR in the group.
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He’s very fast but he’s not a vertical threat like Williams
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I’m not comparing them as prospects at all, but Mims is also fast. He sucks as a deep threat because he’s terrible as a route runner and he can’t stem defensive backs.
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Another 4 Rd Mock bc why not...
4 Kyle Hamilton S, Notre Dame
6 Treylon Burks WR, Arkansas
35 Jermaine Johnson EDGE, Florida State
38 Trevor Penning OT, Northern Iowa
69 Trey McBride TE, Colorado State
109 Breece Hall RB, Iowa State
116 Quay Walker LB, Georgia
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early, 5 rounds, winging it
4. Ikem Ekwonu, OT/OG, N.C. St.
6. Andrew Booth, CB, Clemson
35. Drake London, WR, USC
38. John Metchie, WR, Alabama
69. Isaiah Foskey, Edge, ND
109. Cade Otton, TE, Wash.
116. Quay Walker, LB, Georgia
144. Jake Ferguson, TE, Wisc.
156. Jack Sanborn, LB, Wisc.
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early, 5 rounds, winging it
4. Ikem Ekwonu, OT/OG, N.C. St.
6. Andrew Booth, CB, Clemson
35. Drake London, WR, USC
38. John Metchie, WR, Alabama
69. Isaiah Foskey, Edge, ND
109. Cade Otton, TE, Wash.
116. Quay Walker, LB, Georgia
144. Jake Ferguson, TE, Wisc.
156. Jack Sanborn, LB, Wisc.
Man, the more I think about it, the more I'd be pissed if we just took a CB in the top 10 without trading down first.
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John Metchie without a torn ACL is not worth that pick.
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Man, the more I think about it, the more I'd be pissed if we just took a CB in the top 10 without trading down first.
I've cooled on Stingley a bit; partially because Echols looks like he might be a bona fide starter, but mostly because I'm sick to death of injured players.
I want to see how Sauce fares against Jameson Williams.
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I've cooled on Stingley a bit; partially because Echols looks like he might be a bona fide starter, but mostly because I'm sick to death of injured players.
I want to see how Sauce fares against Jameson Williams.
We shouldn't draft a DB in the first 2 rounds, imo.
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We shouldn't draft a DB in the first 2 rounds, imo.
Why is that?
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We shouldn't draft a DB in the first 2 rounds, imo.
We should* draft a DB in the second round
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Why is that?
Saleh's D is more dependant on the front 7...and he's proven he can develop young DBs. We still need Safeties, but we can grab one in the later rounds.
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Saleh's D is more dependant on the front 7...and he's proven he can develop young DBs. We still need Safeties, but we can grab one in the later rounds.
Drafting a safety in the later rounds got us Jason Pinnock. We need a starter because Maye is not coming back.
Maybe we sign one in FA, but if not, it’s a major need.
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We have a lot of needs. We could pretty much draft any position on the board and it would fill a need.
Given how many needs we have, and since we want to build around Wilson, I'm not in love with using a top-10 pick on a defensive player that is not a pass rusher. I want either someone who can help Zach, or someone who can help us sack the quarterback. There would need to be a significant gap between a DB and the best available OL, pass catcher or edge rusher because a top-10 pick is a big deal, and I hope we don't pick there much more after this year.
We have some good young players in the secondary, but I'm not sure any are going to be much more than average to above average starters. We could use an impact player back there. I would prefer to try to take a swing at that on Day 2 or 3.
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Given how many needs we have, and since we want to build around Wilson, I'm not in love with using a top-10 pick on a defensive player that is not a pass rusher.
Agreed. Hamilton, Stingley, and Gardner are all intriguing but I'd be happy with OL or WR over any of them. My only divergence from your point is that I'm way more open about how to use our Seattle pick than I am about our own higher pick.
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Agreed. Hamilton, Stingley, and Gardner are all intriguing but I'd be happy with OL or WR over any of them. My only divergence from your point is that I'm way more open about how to use our Seattle pick than I am about our own higher pick.
I still would rather find a way to trade down than pick a secondary player there.
If we get extra assets and a DB, fine. But I would ideally like to use our premium assets to get either elite prospects, fill premium positions, or fill positions that help out a QB.
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We should* draft a DB in the second round
I got my eye on the Storm Duck in the 4th round. #quack
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I got my eye on the Storm Duck in the 4th round. #quack
I don't
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I don't
The Storm Duck doesn't care
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I got my eye on the Storm Duck in the 4th round. #quack
I’m more of a Smoke Monday guy myself
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No love for Bumper Pool?
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Don't think I'm beating this one
4 Kayvon Thibodeaux EDGE | Oregon
6 Ikem Ekwonu OT | NC State
35 Jameson Williams WR | Alabama
38 Nakobe Dean LB | Georgia
69 Lewis Cine S | Georgia
109 Charlie Kolar TE | Iowa State
116 Cameron Thomas EDGE | San Diego State
144 Jarrett Patterson IOL | Notre Dame
156 Quay Walker LB | Georgia
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Don't think I'm beating this one
4 Kayvon Thibodeaux EDGE | Oregon
6 Ikem Ekwonu OT | NC State
35 Jameson Williams WR | Alabama
38 Nakobe Dean LB | Georgia
69 Lewis Cine S | Georgia
109 Charlie Kolar TE | Iowa State
116 Cameron Thomas EDGE | San Diego State
144 Jarrett Patterson IOL | Notre Dame
156 Quay Walker LB | Georgia
3 of those top 4 are possible
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https://twitter.com/pff_college/status/1478335408958287875?s=21
SAM HOWELL TOP 10 TRAIN CHOOOO CHOOOOOOO
SHOULD EASILY BE A TOP 5 PICK IF WERE BEING HONEST
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Howell sucks.
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Howell sucks.
Howell Loggains
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-mock-draft-2022-january-2
Keith Sanchez's latest mock has us taking Stingley and Hamilton at 4 and 6 respectively.
Not a fan
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Keith Sanchez's latest mock has us taking Stingley and Hamilton at 4 and 6 respectively.
Not a fan
I keep seeing that in other mocks and I freaking hate it.
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Keith Sanchez's latest mock has us taking Stingley and Hamilton at 4 and 6 respectively.
Not a fan
I freaking hate this too.
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who tf is Keith Sanchez?
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who tf is Keith Sanchez?
Some dude over at TDN
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Some dude over at TDN
he sucks
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Assuming the following:
-We pick at 4 and 7
-Neal, Hutchinson, and Thibodeaux are gone
Would you:
A. take your preferred WR at 4 and take the best edge available at 7
B. Take your preferred edge at 4 and take the best WR available at 7
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Assuming the following:
-We pick at 4 and 7
-Neal, Hutchinson, and Thibodeaux are gone
Would you:
A. take your preferred WR at 4 and take the best edge available at 7
B. Take your preferred edge at 4 and take the best WR available at 7
conventional wisdom says you take the EDGE first then WR.
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conventional wisdom says you take the EDGE first then WR.
Except if it’s Karl in which case you take WR
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Except if it’s Karl in which case you take WR
stop the Yorgos slander
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conventional wisdom says you take the EDGE first then WR.
Maybe in a vacuum. But let's be specific and compare the 2 groups on the table.
Edge:
Ojabo
Karlaftis
Johnson
WR:
Williams
Wilson
Burks
London
I think it really comes down to who you think has the best chance at becoming elite at their respective position.
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Have we completely moved away from Ekwonu at 4?
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WR:
Williams
Wilson
Burks
London
I think it really comes down to who you think has the best chance at becoming elite at their respective position.
How does the top of this WR class compare to Chase/Waddle/Smith from last year?
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How does the top of this WR class compare to Chase/Waddle/Smith from last year?
Ja'Marr Chase is one of the best WR of all-time. DeVonta Smith is arguably the best college receiver of all-time. No one in this class (or any classes in the near future) are coming close to these guys.
Jameson Williams compares to Jaylen Waddle.
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Jameson Williams is an elite prospect.
Ikem Ekwonu is an elite guard prospect.
George Karlaftis is a top ten prospect. Travon Walker might be better.
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Ja'Marr Chase is one of the best WR of all-time. DeVonta Smith is arguably the best college receiver of all-time. No one in this class (or any classes in the near future) are coming close to these guys.
Jameson Williams compares to Jaylen Waddle.
Smith was a great college receiver, but I think it was fair to question how his body would hold up at the NFL level. There's a reason Jaylen Waddle went ahead of him.
None of these guys are Ja'Marr Chase. Very few prospects are.
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I keep seeing that in other mocks and I freaking hate it.
It's the easy way out when it comes to making mocks for the Jets.
Our pass defense sucks.
We badly need a safety. There is a stud safety prospect.
We have cornerbacks people have barely heard of. There are CB prospects people think should go in the top 10.
I don't blame people for making those mocks, since most of these guys are nationally-focused, and focus on the prospects more than the NFL teams. But without seeing the free agency plan, going 2 DBs in the top 10 looks like a disaster.
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There's a reason Jaylen Waddle went ahead of him.
Yes, and that reason is that Miami has a horrible front office
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Not making any particular point here but somehow I missed what a good rookie season Waddle had. Vastly overshadowed by Chase I guess.
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Not making any particular point here but somehow I missed what a good rookie season Waddle had. Vastly overshadowed by Chase I guess.
Kinda crazy that he's going to break the all-time rookie record for receptions and still lose OROY to another wide out.
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Assuming the following:
-We pick at 4 and 7
-Neal, Hutchinson, and Thibodeaux are gone
Would you:
A. take your preferred WR at 4 and take the best edge available at 7
B. Take your preferred edge at 4 and take the best WR available at 7
The answer to this is dependent upon the answer to two questions
1. What position are teams at 5/6 likely to target? Giants need an edge and OL and definitely wont be going WR. Panthers are a wild card, they need a QB terribly. But is there one worth drafting this high?
2. What position are teams most likely to trade up for? Generally speaking trades in the top 10 are QB specific, but a general rule suggests a top pass rusher is worth more than a top WR.
To me, I think you take the edge first, and WR second based on the above thoughts. That said, if you view a WR as can't miss future superstar and the edge player as a very good prospect who can become elite, then you take the WR first. In the event of a tie grade between players, then you look at the depth of the class at each position and say 'if I miss out on this guy, which position can I be happy about getting the next guy up at 7?
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Yes, and that reason is that Miami has a horrible front office
Taking Waddle over Smith was defensive.
Giving up a 1st-round pick essentially for the right to do that is one of the dumber moves in recent NFL history.
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Keith Sanchez's latest mock has us taking Stingley and Hamilton at 4 and 6 respectively.
Not a fan
Taking 2 DBs at 4 and 7 can’t happen. Our run defense will still be atrocious. Need to build from the trenches.
One of these picks ideally needs to be an EDGE or OL. WR also acceptable
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Taking 2 DBs at 4 and 7 can’t happen. Our run defense will still be atrocious. Need to build from the trenches.
One of these picks ideally needs to be an EDGE or OL. WR also acceptable
very preliminary of course but i am on the WR and OL vs EDGE bandwagon with our first two picks
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*not a mock
McShay's current top 32 big board
1. Aiden Hutchinson 94
2. Kayvon Thibodeaux 94
3. Evan Neal 94
4. Derrick Stingley 94
5. Kyle Hamilton 94
6. Jameson Williams 94
7. Demarvin Leal 93
8. Nakobe Dean 93
9. Garrett Wilson 92
10. Charles Cross 92
11. David Ojabo 92
12. Drake London 92
13. Tyler Linderbaum 91
14. Travon Walker 91
15. Ahmad Gardner 91
16. Kenny Pickett 90
17. Matt Corral 90
18. Devin Lloyd 90
19. George Karlaftis 90
20. Roger McCreary 90
21. Ikem Ekwonu 90
22. Chris Olave 90
23. Andrew Booth 90
24. Jahan Dotson 90
25. Kaiir Elam 90
26. Jordan Davis 90
27. Malik Willis 89
28. Trevor Penning 89
29. Treylon Burks 89
30. Trey McBribe 89
31. Cameron Thomas 88
32. Nicholas Petit-Frere 88
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I wonder why McShay hates Ekwonu
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Travon Walker is one to watch for us. I think one of our first rounders will come down to Walker/Karlaftis/Ojabo. Walker is the best fit in Saleh's front.
If I'm looking specifically at EDGE scheme fit:
Aidan Hutchinson
Travon Walker
Kayvon Thibodeaux
George Karlaftis
Cameron Thomas
David Ojabo
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Interestingly, McShay only had 3 players graded 94 or above on his final big board last year (Lawrence, Pitts, and Chase).
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Karlaftis and Ekwonu both being that low are the biggest surprises for me.
He also has Drake London higher than most people I've seen but that's obviously based on potential which is undeniably elite.
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I wonder if people are ranking Ekwonu lower because he's a guard and because of the positional value.
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If we only used McShay’s board coupled with our current needs it would seem we have a few guys to target at 4/7
4 - Hutchinson, Thibodeaux, Jameson Williams
7- David Ojabo, Garret Wilson, Charles Cross, Drake London
Not a bad list. Will be curious to see who ultimately separates down the stretch
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I wonder if people are ranking Ekwonu lower because he's a guard and because of the positional value.
Some people might be but McShay had AVT ranked 13th as a guard last year.
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I wonder why McShay hates Ekwonu
If I was to guess I would have said positional value if you see him strictly as a guard. But he has Linderbaum top 13. So no clue
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Is the top of this draft really this deep?
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Is the top of this draft really this deep?
Yes, just not at QB.
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I wonder if people are ranking Ekwonu lower because he's a guard and because of the positional value.
Fools, clearly.
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Is the top of this draft really this deep?
There are probably about 15 players I'd feel good about at 4 and 7. Barring some bizarro Raidersesque pick I think we should come out OK.
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There are probably about 15 players I'd feel good about at 4 and 7. Barring some bizarro Raidersesque pick I think we should come out OK.
i need to know who the darrius heyward-bey of this draft is
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i need to know who the darrius heyward-bey of this draft is
This just prompted me to look up Dorial Green-Beckham. Apparently he's in jail right now.
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4 George Karlaftis, EDGE Purdue
7 Jameson Williams WR, Alabama
35 Ahmad Gardner CB, Cincy
38 Zion Johnson OL, BC
69 Trey McBride TE, Colorado State
108 Chad Muma LB, Wyoming
115 Breece Hall RB, Iowa State
144 Channing Tindall LB, Georgia
158 Charlie Kolar TE, Iowa State
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I don’t know anything about Muma about that’s an elite draft.
Hopefully Travon Walker is our EDGE guy though. I think it’s Jameson Williams at 4 and our top EDGE at 7.
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Muma, just killed a man...
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4 George Karlaftis, EDGE Purdue
7 Jameson Williams WR, Alabama
35 Ahmad Gardner CB, Cincy
38 Zion Johnson OL, BC
69 Trey McBride TE, Colorado State
108 Chad Muma LB, Wyoming
115 Breece Hall RB, Iowa State
144 Channing Tindall LB, Georgia
158 Charlie Kolar TE, Iowa State
if Gardner drops to 35, i'd eat my hat. He's likely to be the first CB off the board.
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He's likely to be the first CB off the board.
Stingley should be drafted before Gardner
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Stingley should be drafted before Gardner
i think it's 50/50 right now. We'll see what happens after the Pro Days.
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i think it's 50/50 right now. We'll see what happens after the Pro Days.
Stingley is universally considered a Top 3-5 prospect. Sauce isn't even in most Top 10s.
He had an outstanding career and did a solid job against Alabama, but that playoff game won't elevate him that much.
40 times will be huge for both players, but Stingley was ready for the NFL as an 18 year old.
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Stingley is universally considered a Top 3-5 prospect. Sauce isn't even in most Top 10s.
He had an outstanding career and did a solid job against Alabama, but that playoff game won't elevate him that much.
40 times will be huge for both players, but Stingley was ready for the NFL as an 18 year old.
mock drafts are all over the place on both players right now. I believe what you're saying...but i still think their combine and pro days will shed a little more light on this.
I keep forgetting about that Booth kid from Clemson too.
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Assuming we don't trade down...Nakobe Dean at 7?
We need to revamp the LB corps and this dude is a playmaker
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Assuming we don't trade down...Nakobe Dean at 7?
We need to revamp the LB corps and this dude is a playmaker
6 ft 225 lb off ball lb at 7?!
Please, please, please no
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6 ft 225 lb off ball lb at 7?!
Please, please, please no
Micah Parsons might be the DROY and went 11.
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Micah Parsons might be the DROY and went 11.
Parsons is a lock for DROY and might even win DPOY.
Parsons also played edge for part of the season and is 6'3" 247. He can do a number of things defensively that Dean simply can't at his size.
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Parsons is a lock for DROY and might even win DPOY.
Parsons also played edge for part of the season and is 6'3" 247. He can do a number of things defensively that Dean simply can't at his size.
correct parsons is a huge human being that runs faster than some wide recievers and can rush the passer as a hand in the ground lineman
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Devin Lloyd is probably the most versatile 4-3 LB in this group but he's not even close to being on Micah Parson's level.
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I did another mock draft and decided to post it because Philly offered me picks 14 and 21 for #4...and i took it. Thibs and Hutch were both gone by pick 3. Here's how it turned out:
7. Jameson Williams - WR Alabama
14. David Ojabo - EDGE Michigan
21. Devin Lloyd - LB Utah
35. Jaquan Brisker - S Penn State
38. Trey McBride - TE Colorado State
69. Kyren Williams - RB Notre Dame
108. Marquis Hayes - OG Oklahoma
115. Rasheed Walker - OT Penn State
145. Calvin Austin III - WR Memphis
159. Jordan Williams - DT Virginia Tech
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Did a similar mock to MB on PFN, except I traded 7 and 69 to Philly for 14 and 21, and also moved 35 to Atlanta for 63, 76, and a 2023 3rd.
2 pass rushers in the first round would be interesting, but adding a third first rounder makes it more feasible. Not sure how Lawson will be coming off of his achilles and pass rush is hugely important to this team improving.
4 - Kayvon Thibodeaux, DE, Oregon
14 - Ikem Ekwonu, OT, NC State
21 - David Ojabo, EDGE, Michigan
38 - Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State
63 - Roger McCreary, CB, Auburn
76 - Wan'Dale Robinson, WR, Kentucky
108 - Nolan Smith, EDGE/LB, Georgia
115 - Sam LaPorta, TE, Iowa
145 - Kenderick Duncan Jr., S, Louisville
162 - James Empey, C, BYU
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I think Ojabo is more a stand up, 3-4 pass rusher than a 4-3 defensive end. That's why I prefer Walker and Karlafis in that second group.
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https://twitter.com/revis24/status/1479926429710180360?s=21
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https://twitter.com/revis24/status/1479926429710180360?s=21
Gotta love the cornerback drafting all cotnerbacks (and a WR).
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Decided to do a mock with us locked in at 10. Changed it up and went all offense in Rd 1
4 Ikem Ekwonu OT, NC State
10 Jameson Williams WR, Alabama
35 Cameron Thoms EDGE, SDSU
38 Ahmed Gardner CB, Cincy
69 Henry To'o To'o LB, Alabama
108 Josh Whyle TE, Cincy
114 Breece Hall RB, Iowa State
144 Justyn Ross WR, Clemson
161 Charlie Kolar TE, Iowa State
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Evan Neal - OT - Alabama
Nakobe Dean - LB - Georgia
Sauce Gardner - CB - Cincinnati
Drake London - WR - USC
Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
Tariq Woolen - DB - UTSA
Sam LaPorta - TE - Iowa
Channing Tindall - LB - Georgia
Tyler Allgeier - RB - BYU
This is the way.
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Evan Neal - OT - Alabama
Nakobe Dean - LB - Georgia
Sauce Gardner - CB - Cincinnati
Drake London - WR - USC
Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
Tariq Woolen - DB - UTSA
Sam LaPorta - TE - Iowa
Channing Tindall - LB - Georgia
Tyler Allgeier - RB - BYU
This is the way.
Assuming everyone's fit to start the season, who's starting at right guard for you in this scenario? I'm assuming you don't have one of Fant, Becton and Neal as a swing tackle.
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Evan Neal - OT - Alabama
Nakobe Dean - LB - Georgia
Sauce Gardner - CB - Cincinnati
Drake London - WR - USC
Trey McBride - TE - Colorado Statelu
Tariq Woolen - DB - UTSA
Sam LaPorta - TE - Iowa
Channing Tindall - LB - Georgia
Tyler Allgeier - RB - BYU
This is the way.
That draft looks really good on paper.
I'm a little leery about taking a 6'0" linebacker in the top 10, but Dean looks every bit the part of a stud linebacker and leader, and we badly need that. I'd also love to have that LB play with Mosley for a year to watch how he works.
That position is in the same boat as safety to me - if you draft a LB or safety in the top 10, you better be extremely confident that player is a star.
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Assuming everyone's fit to start the season, who's starting at right guard for you in this scenario? I'm assuming you don't have one of Fant, Becton and Neal as a swing tackle.
Evan Neal would play right guard. He played guard at Alabama for a while.
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I'm a little leery about taking a 6'0" linebacker in the top 10, but Dean looks every bit the part of a stud linebacker and leader, and we badly need that.
He is this generation's Jonathan Vilma
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Fant - AVT - McGovern - Neal - Becton
Right side of that line is a load.
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Evan Neal - OT - Alabama
Nakobe Dean - LB - Georgia
Sauce Gardner - CB - Cincinnati
Drake London - WR - USC
Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
Tariq Woolen - DB - UTSA
Sam LaPorta - TE - Iowa
Channing Tindall - LB - Georgia
Tyler Allgeier - RB - BYU
This is the way.
I knew you'd come around on Neal.
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I knew you'd come around on Neal.
I don't want him, but with Williams injured, it's a true toss up between Neal and Treylon Burks.
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I don't want him, but with Williams injured, it's a true toss up between Neal and Treylon Burks.
you will hug him like he's your son.....and like it.
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Evan Neal - OT - Alabama
Nakobe Dean - LB - Georgia
Sauce Gardner - CB - Cincinnati
Drake London - WR - USC
Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
Tariq Woolen - DB - UTSA
Sam LaPorta - TE - Iowa
Channing Tindall - LB - Georgia
Tyler Allgeier - RB - BYU
This is the way.
I could live with Dean at 10 if we managed to get drake london with our 2nd round pick.
There I said it.
Allgeier would be a great complete to MC
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I could live with Dean at 10 if we managed to get drake london with our 2nd round pick.
There I said it.
Allgeier would be a great complete to MC
Welcome aboard the Dean hype train.
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I don't want him, but with Williams injured, it's a true toss up between Neal and Treylon Burks.
If OL, why not go Ekwonu at 4? Especially since we're plugging this kid in at RG
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If OL, why not go Ekwonu at 4? Especially since we're plugging this kid in at RG
Neal played an entire season at guard for Alabama too. I think Ekwonu is strictly a guard that could probably play some tackle in a pinch, but he should probably stay at guard. Neal can start at guard and if Becton doesn't work out, then Neal kicks outside. If Becton does work out, keep him inside until Fant hangs it up.
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I think this one played out somewhat realistically.
4: R1 P4 EDGE David Ojabo - Michigan
10: R1 P10 WR Garrett Wilson - Ohio State
35: R2 P3 G Kenyon Green - Texas A&M
38: R2 P6 CB Andrew Booth Jr. - Clemson
69: R3 P5 TE Trey McBride - Colorado State
108: R4 P6 LB Channing Tindall - Georgia
114: R4 P12 RB Isaiah Spiller - Texas A&M
145: R5 P3 EDGE Isaiah Thomas - Oklahoma
162: R5 P20 S Smoke Monday - Auburn
In case you're wondering how the top 10 played out:
1 EDGE Kayvon Thibodeaux - Jacksonville Jaguars
2 EDGE Aidan Hutchinson - Detroit Lions
3 OT Evan Neal - Houston Texans
4 EDGE David Ojabo - New York Jets
5 EDGE Travon Walker - New York Giants
6 OT Ikem Ekwonu - Carolina Panthers
7 QB Kenny Pickett - New York Giants
8 CB Ahmad Gardner - Atlanta Falcons
9 QB Matt Corral - Denver Broncos
10 WR Garrett Wilson - New York Jets
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I think this one played out somewhat realistically.
4: R1 P4 EDGE David Ojabo - Michigan
10: R1 P10 WR Garrett Wilson - Ohio State
35: R2 P3 G Kenyon Green - Texas A&M
38: R2 P6 CB Andrew Booth Jr. - Clemson
69: R3 P5 TE Trey McBride - Colorado State
108: R4 P6 LB Channing Tindall - Georgia
114: R4 P12 RB Isaiah Spiller - Texas A&M
145: R5 P3 EDGE Isaiah Thomas - Oklahoma
162: R5 P20 S Smoke Monday - Auburn
In case you're wondering how the top 10 played out:
1 EDGE Kayvon Thibodeaux - Jacksonville Jaguars
2 EDGE Aidan Hutchinson - Detroit Lions
3 OT Evan Neal - Houston Texans
4 EDGE David Ojabo - New York Jets
5 EDGE Travon Walker - New York Giants
6 OT Ikem Ekwonu - Carolina Panthers
7 QB Kenny Pickett - New York Giants
8 CB Ahmad Gardner - Atlanta Falcons
9 QB Matt Corral - Denver Broncos
10 WR Garrett Wilson - New York Jets
You can actually hear Heis slitting his wrists in the distance after you passed on Walker for Ojabo
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I wouldn't hate Ojabo. I just don't think he's a good fit in the 4-3.
It's nice to see my son Travon Walker getting Top 10 hype.
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You can actually hear Heis slitting his wrists in the distance after you passed on Walker for Ojabo
I'm not ready to take Walker at 4. But feel free to interpret that pick as "whoever I felt the best edge available was." I'm not strongly set on anyone after the top 2 guys.
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I think this one played out somewhat realistically.
4: R1 P4 EDGE David Ojabo - Michigan
10: R1 P10 WR Garrett Wilson - Ohio State
35: R2 P3 G Kenyon Green - Texas A&M
38: R2 P6 CB Andrew Booth Jr. - Clemson
69: R3 P5 TE Trey McBride - Colorado State
108: R4 P6 LB Channing Tindall - Georgia
114: R4 P12 RB Isaiah Spiller - Texas A&M
145: R5 P3 EDGE Isaiah Thomas - Oklahoma
162: R5 P20 S Smoke Monday - Auburn
In case you're wondering how the top 10 played out:
1 EDGE Kayvon Thibodeaux - Jacksonville Jaguars
2 EDGE Aidan Hutchinson - Detroit Lions
3 OT Evan Neal - Houston Texans
4 EDGE David Ojabo - New York Jets
5 EDGE Travon Walker - New York Giants
6 OT Ikem Ekwonu - Carolina Panthers
7 QB Kenny Pickett - New York Giants
8 CB Ahmad Gardner - Atlanta Falcons
9 QB Matt Corral - Denver Broncos
10 WR Garrett Wilson - New York Jets
Where is Clappy Mclapperstein?
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Travon Walker versus Evan Neal (and the rest of the Bama OL) might put Walker as EDGE2
He murdered a very good Michigan offensive line too.
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I'm not ready to take Walker at 4. But feel free to interpret that pick as "whoever I felt the best edge available was." I'm not strongly set on anyone after the top 2 guys.
It's a great mock...
Things will get interesting if the consensus top 3 are the EDGES and Neal. I personally would go WR at 4, but different strokes for different folks. EDGE would be a higher priority for me if we get word that Carl Lawson isn't rehabbing well.
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Where is Clappy Mclapperstein?
Considered at 4 and then didn't want to double down on defense after taking Ojabo plus I'd be pretty excited about GW at 10.
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It's a great mock...
Things will get interesting if the consensus top 3 are the EDGES and Neal. I personally would go WR at 4, but different strokes for different folks. EDGE would be a higher priority for me if we get word that Carl Lawson isn't rehabbing well.
I would have taken JW without question if not for the ACL. I'd easily consider him at 10 though.
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Things will get interesting if the consensus top 3 are the EDGES and Neal. I personally would go WR at 4, but different strokes for different folks. EDGE would be a higher priority for me if we get word that Carl Lawson isn't rehabbing well.
I think EDGE should be top of the list even if Lawson comes back healthy.
Lawson - Quinnen - JFM - #4
That's a problem for opposing offenses.
Jameson Williams vs. Nakobe Dean at #10 is an interesting debate as well.
Like you said earlier in the week, it's hard to say before Free Agency.
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I think EDGE should be top of the list even if Lawson comes back healthy.
Lawson - Quinnen - JFM - #4
That's a problem for opposing offenses.
Jameson Williams vs. Nakobe Dean at #10 is an interesting debate as well.
Like you said earlier in the week, it's hard to say before Free Agency.
aye...good call.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-minnesota-continues-house-clean-with-kirk-cousins-philadelphia-goes-all-defense/
4. Hutch
10. Kyle Hamilton
i really don't want to take a safety in the 1st round.
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Lets make a rule:
No CBS Sports Mocks and no Tony Pauline
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Lets make a rule:
No CBS Sports Mocks and no Tony Pauline
sounds good to me
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-minnesota-continues-house-clean-with-kirk-cousins-philadelphia-goes-all-defense/
4. Hutch
10. Kyle Hamilton
i really don't want to take a safety in the 1st round.
This one is really interesting because GW and Ekwonu are off the board by 10, and they both would have been clear picks to me.
Without them, you've got to consider JW, Burks, Dean, Linderbaum for the OL faithful, and I don't think Hamilton is inherently a bad pick there - it just doesn't feel great to double down on defense.
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This one is really interesting because GW and Ekwonu are off the board by 10, and they both would have been clear picks to me.
Without them, you've got to consider JW, Burks, Dean, Linderbaum for the OL faithful, and I don't think Hamilton is inherently a bad pick there - it just doesn't feel great to double down on defense.
Depends what you do in the 2nd round. We still have a lot of picks relatively high to address the offense.
Can't argue much with Hutchinson at 4. Hamilton at 10 is a lot more palatable than in the 4-7 range, and he fits a major need for us. Having a 6'3" safety who can run and tackle allows us to do a lot defensively, even play him at LB in some looks.
The priority should be to help Zach, but we can still do that, even if we go defense at 4 and 10. We can get the gord in the 2nd or 3rd round, and there have been plenty of Day 2 receivers to make an instant impact, including Elijah last year.
Edge is still more important than any offensive need right now. Edge is the most important position on our defense. With a real pass rush, the rest of our defense automatically looks a lot better.
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Depends what you do in the 2nd round. We still have a lot of picks relatively high to address the offense.
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The priority should be to help Zach, but we can still do that, even if we go defense at 4 and 10. We can get the gord in the 2nd or 3rd round, and there have been plenty of Day 2 receivers to make an instant impact, including Elijah last year.
We *could* find another worthy contributor at WR on day 2 but I feel like there's a big drop off after the first 4-5 guys. I'd rather grab one of them and then take a lesser safety later.
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Running through mocks, the reality that we have the 10th pick instead of the 7th is really hitting me. Damn Kingsbury
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Running through mocks, the reality that we have the 10th pick instead of the 7th is really hitting me. Damn Kingsbury
Early on, when the Seattle pick was just as high as ours, I was trying to temper expectations since the Seahawks still had games against the Lions and Bears, along with the return of Russ.
But when you get to Week 18, and you just need to avoid a 6-point upset, it sucks.
That said, 10 vs 7 probably isn't that big of a deal. The elite edges are gone regardless, but we can get a top-tier player at several other positions. 4 vs 1 is a MUCH bigger difference.
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Travon Walker being better than Aidan Hutchinson and maybe Kayvon Thibodeaux is good for us
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While I'm also annoyed that the Cardinals couldn't take care of business at home against a 6-10 team with a chance to win their division, we can still probably get our pick of receivers at 10.
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Kayvon Thibodeaux really loves Kayvon Thibodeaux
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I like this one.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/s4tcit/115_community_mocks_results
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(https://i.imgur.com/Wj6nNkI.png)
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(https://i.imgur.com/Wj6nNkI.png)
Where do I sign?
...although I can't see Williams dropping to the 2nd
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I think it's possible Williams falls to the 2nd. I've heard a few different opinions on these receivers so far. Wilson, London and Burks are all over him on a lot of big boards, and with his injury, maybe someone else rises above him who is healthier.
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I think it's possible Williams falls to the 2nd. I've heard a few different opinions on these receivers so far. Wilson, London and Burks are all over him on a lot of big boards, and with his injury, maybe someone else rises above him who is healthier.
Jahan Dotson could be dat dude
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Jahan Dotson is a Mike LaFleur receiver
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on top of having an elite name, looks like dotson has roots in the newark NJ and NEPA areas
i am in
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Jahan Dotson is a Mike LaFleur receiver
Yeah I was thinking the same thing.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJZMeQUWYAwiKMx?format=jpg&name=large)
Love Treylon Burks, but can he separate? Love Garrett Wilson, but are his hands reliable?
Dotson can get open and he might have the best hands in the draft. He seems very similar to Moore to me, but I don't think two Moores is a problem.
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Yeah I was thinking the same thing.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJZMeQUWYAwiKMx?format=jpg&name=large)
Love Treylon Burks, but can he separate? Love Garrett Wilson, but are his hands reliable?
Dotson can get open and he might have the best hands in the draft. He seems very similar to Moore to me, but I don't think two Moores is a problem.
This is an interesting situation for the analysts to figure out. Are the drops high because of poor talent or poor placement?
Jones being 31 is super interesting. Will things revert back to the mean next year?
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This is an interesting situation for the analysts to figure out. Are the drops high because of poor talent or poor placement?
Jones being 31 is super interesting. Will things revert back to the mean next year?
if you're an 'nfl receiver' that has a ball hit you in the hands, you're supposed to catch it
i don't think those stats are taking into account balls wilson underthrew, which were a fair amount earlier in the year. these are balls that are hitting his receivers' hands
i dont want to hear any bull about 'some of those balls were not completely in stride' etc etc etc. it's hitting hands, catch the fvckin ball pvssy
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Dotson can get open and he might have the best hands in the draft. He seems very similar to Moore to me, but I don't think two Moores is a problem.
Aiyuk can do a lot of what Deebo's doing in that SF offense - both were high volume YAC guys in college. Those offenses value interchangeable pieces at the skill spots.
Dotson would replace Crowder immediately and he has the skillset to step in for Moore or Davis. You can line up all three in any position.
I'd be more excited for Jameson Williams late in the first, early in the second...but Dotson makes a lot of sense.
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We need sticky handed skill guys for Wilson.
Wydermyer before Day 3 is a mistake.
I’d rather just use one of the seconds on Trey McBride and solidify the position early.
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I will say this about Garrett Wilson: that dude is ALWAYS open.
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We need sticky handed skill guys for Wilson.
Wydermyer before Day 3 is a mistake.
I’d rather just use one of the seconds on Trey McBride and solidify the position early.
And sign Dalton "Take it outside" Schultz
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Matt Miller has us taking Garrett Wilson....in the 2nd round after building the wall.
https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1482014276336472064
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if you're an 'nfl receiver' that has a ball hit you in the hands, you're supposed to catch it
i don't think those stats are taking into account balls wilson underthrew, which were a fair amount earlier in the year. these are balls that are hitting his receivers' hands
i dont want to hear any bull about 'some of those balls were not completely in stride' etc etc etc. it's hitting hands, catch the fvckin ball pvssy
Cool story bro.
The top qbs on this list also are top 5 in terms of off target passes (hit wr in the hands but bad ball placement).
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Matt Miller has us taking Garrett Wilson....in the 2nd round after building the wall.
https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1482014276336472064
Matt Miller needs to be fired again
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Matt Miller has us taking Garrett Wilson....in the 2nd round after building the wall.
https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1482014276336472064
He’s got us taking a tackle that can’t play guard and a center in the top ten.
AIDS
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I will say this about Garrett Wilson: that dude is ALWAYS open.
i've self-admittedly watched very little video so far; what do you think of burks. every time i see him he's making hand catches and/or running past everybody, and appears very fast for his size. but again, need to watch more film
i know a guy that can blow the top off a defense would do wonders for our offense and could possibly change how defenses approach us, but i can't help but wonder what a big, possession WR would do for zach's development. i don't know if burks is that guy as i haven't watched enough, but hypothetically, i think a WR in that mold would do a lot to help him
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Kiper released his first mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33093803/nfl-mock-draft-2022-mel-kiper-predictions-all-32-first-round-picks-teams-aidan-hutchinson-malik-willis-nakobe-dean
4. Kyle Hamilton
10. Drake London
I have nothing against Kyle Hamilton the player...but man, taking a safety at 4 will pee me off. Kiper probably still thinks Mike Maccagnan is running our drafts.
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Safety is the least valuable position on offense or defense.
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I understand why most of us don't prefer it but we shouldn't be shocked if the Jets take a DB in the first.
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I understand why most of us don't prefer it but we shouldn't be shocked if the Jets take a DB in the first.
if it's going to happen, it better be a CB.
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Drake the Snake is 6'5....if dat dude runs well at the combine, i could see him sneaking into the top 10.
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I understand why most of us don't prefer it but we shouldn't be shocked if the Jets take a DB in the first.
If we take a safety or a center in the top ten and have a losing season, Saleh and Douglas should be shown the door.
How much better is this 2021 NYJ team with Jamal Adams and a healthy Marcus Maye? Maybe a one or two win difference. That draft and the Darnold trade up crippled this team's young talent. The 2020 draft doesn't look much better right now, but at least Douglas has some early hits on offense like Carter and Moore.
Douglas seems to be much better at trading for capital, mid-round scouting, and not shelling out horrible contracts.
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I'm penciling in Garrett Wilson and Trey McBride as future Jets at this point.
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Drake the Snake is 6'5....if dat dude runs well at the combine, i could see him sneaking into the top 10.
Check out Christian Watson.
that boy good
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JD needs to nail the first 4 picks.
They should all be day 1 starters.
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JD needs to nail the first 4 picks.
They should all be day 1 starters.
I'm okay with using one of the seconds on a wideout that might not get reps over Davis and Moore right away - Dotson comes to mind. I don't want another Mims that has obviously flaws that keep him off the field.
The first rounders need to start immediately, agreed 100% on that.
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Kiper released his first mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33093803/nfl-mock-draft-2022-mel-kiper-predictions-all-32-first-round-picks-teams-aidan-hutchinson-malik-willis-nakobe-dean
4. Kyle Hamilton
10. Drake London
I have nothing against Kyle Hamilton the player...but man, taking a safety at 4 will pee me off. Kiper probably still thinks Mike Maccagnan is running our drafts.
I think the case for Hamilton in the top 10 is that you can also play him at linebacker. If we're debating taking a guy like Nakobe Dean in the top 10, Hamilton has the requisite size to play LB if we want, or we can put him at safety, or we can just make him a swiss-army knife who can do whatever we want with him.
If Saleh and co. has a plan to maximize Hamilton on defense, we can make that pick work. But 4 is too high IMO.
And to Heismanberg's point, if you take a safety in the top 10, even if they want to make him a safety/LB hybrid, you better hit on that player, or it looks really bad. Granted, whoever we take in the top 10, we better hit on.
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I think the case for Hamilton in the top 10 is that you can also play him at linebacker. If we're debating taking a guy like Nakobe Dean in the top 10, Hamilton has the requisite size to play LB if we want, or we can put him at safety, or we can just make him a swiss-army knife who can do whatever we want with him.
If Saleh and co. has a plan to maximize Hamilton on defense, we can make that pick work. But 4 is too high IMO.
And to Heismanberg's point, if you take a safety in the top 10, even if they want to make him a safety/LB hybrid, you better hit on that player, or it looks really bad. Granted, whoever we take in the top 10, we better hit on.
I don't think Joe Douglas puts a premium on the Safety position...we've seen how much he valued Jamal Adams.
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I don't think Joe Douglas puts a premium on the Safety position...we've seen how much he valued Jamal Adams.
That's irrelevant. Adams was begging for a trade, and we traded him for two 1st-round picks plus more. If we traded Adams for a 2nd-round pick, you'd have a point, but we don't know how much he values safety.
Saleh also coached Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor and Jimmie Ward. He wasn't on the Seahawks/49ers when they drafted Thomas/Ward in the 1st round, but he coached them later.
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I think the case for Hamilton in the top 10 is that you can also play him at linebacker.
But this takes away his most elite trait which is his range, so you're wasting him in the box.
I've seen people comparing him to Isaiah Simmons. Simmons is much more physical.
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That's irrelevant. Adams was begging for a trade, and we traded him for two 1st-round picks plus more. If we traded Adams for a 2nd-round pick, you'd have a point, but we don't know how much he values safety.
Saleh also coached Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor and Jimmie Ward. He wasn't on the Seahawks/49ers when they drafted Thomas/Ward in the 1st round, but he coached them later.
Sure it's relevant. Adams wasn't begging for a trade at first. He just got annoyed with Douglas because he wouldn't re-up is contract on a whim. Douglas got maximum value because he's a good GM.
He also didn't give Maye an extension, made him play on the franchise tag.
I don't think Safety is on Douglas's priority list in the first round.
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I think the sweet spot for a starting safety is early second round: Lewis Cine or Daxton Hill
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With the EDGE, OT, and WR prospects available at those spots we shouldn't be considering safety.
My nightmare would be taking Hamilton and then trading down.
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Athletic mock has Ekwonu #1 overall!
https://theathletic.com/3075920/2022/01/19/two-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-dane-bruglers-mock-2-0-has-a-new-no-1-pick-and-more-surprises/
Stingley at 4 (mehhh), Wilson at 10.
I'd still be shocked if we went corner in round 1.
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With the EDGE, OT, and WR prospects available at those spots we shouldn't be considering safety.
My nightmare would be taking Hamilton and then trading down.
Why is trading down your nightmare?
I totally get if people don't want Hamilton, but why would trading down be a bad thing?
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Why is trading down your nightmare?
I totally get if people don't want Hamilton, but why would trading down be a bad thing?
Did you not get that doing both of those things was the problem? I think you didn't get that doing both of those things would be the peoblem
If we're sitting with two top ten picks and so many players at need positions available and all we come away with is a safety and more picks I will definitely be mad.
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Did you not get that doing both of those things was the problem? I think you didn't get that doing both of those things would be the peoblem
If we're sitting with two top ten picks and so many players at need positions available and all we come away with is a safety and more picks I will definitely be mad.
No, I get that, I.just don't see why one has anything to do with the other.
It's super early, but right now, there isn't much of a consensus on most of the draft. We might be able to trade back and get one of the receivers or edges or an interior OL. We could trade down from 10 and still get Burks or Dean or Linderbaum or Gardner, etc.
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No, I get that, I.just don't see why one has anything to do with the other.
It's super early, but right now, there isn't much of a consensus on most of the draft. We might be able to trade back and get one of the receivers or edges or an interior OL. We could trade down from 10 and still get Burks or Dean or Linderbaum or Gardner, etc.
I would guess its Because we are getting top talent at premium positions
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I'm expecting Joe to fall in love with one of these offensive linemen at the top of the draft. Probably Ickey.
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Look at the teams still alive in the playoffs right now and look at their safeties.
6 of 8 are their because of QB play. The other two (SF and TEN) have very strong skill groups.
Continue to build around Zach Wilson. We've failed Sanchez and Darnold by not giving them enough to improve. We can't keep doing the same rebuild.
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Draft the best available OL and WR with our first two picks and then hope that McBride is still there at 35 before taking him.
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Athletic mock has Ekwonu #1 overall!
https://theathletic.com/3075920/2022/01/19/two-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-dane-bruglers-mock-2-0-has-a-new-no-1-pick-and-more-surprises/
What was most interesting to me about that was the explanation, that several talent evaluators apparently favor the top tackles over the pass rushers.
At 4, we're guaranteed one of Thibs, Hutch, Neal, and Ekwonu.
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At 4, we're guaranteed one of Thibs, Hutch, Neal, and Ekwonu.
EDGE3 should be considered at 4 as well
WR at 10
Interested to see Joe's plan in Free Agency
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EDGE3 should be considered at 4 as well
For sure. It will be interesting to see how the perception around the top pass rushers changes as the evaluation process moves along.
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Draft the best available OL and WR with our first two picks and then hope that McBride is still there at 35 before taking him.
What was most interesting to me about that was the explanation, that several talent evaluators apparently favor the top tackles over the pass rushers.
At 4, we're guaranteed one of Thibs, Hutch, Neal, and Ekwonu.
we're on the same page
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For sure. It will be interesting to see how the perception around the top pass rushers changes as the evaluation process moves along.
Travon Walker is my guy. I think he was just kind of overshadowed on a great defense, but he was a huge part of their success.
The question will be: can we get him at 10?
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Look at the teams still alive in the playoffs right now and look at their safeties.
6 of 8 are their because of QB play. The other two (SF and TEN) have very strong skill groups.
Continue to build around Zach Wilson. We've failed Sanchez and Darnold by not giving them enough to improve. We can't keep doing the same rebuild.
Drafting
Taking Hamilton would give me some serious Calvin Pryor vibes.
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Taking Hamilton would give me some serious Calvin Pryor vibes.
Hamilton is a much better prospect, but we are bad right now because we drafted DL forever then went back to back safety and followed that up with trading a ton of draft capital to move up for #3 (Darnold).
We kept going defense and kept drafting non-impact players, so when we made the move for the QB, he didn't have any help.
Douglas can't do that. He got his QB. Now he has to help him.
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I'm pretty much in line with EDGE or OL at 4 and WR at 10.
That said, I'm still fully on board with trading for a veteran EDGE or WR, and there are likely some available. That opens up more possibilities in the top 10.
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That said, I'm still fully on board with trading for a veteran EDGE
No need. We've just acquired Bradlee Anae.
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I'm pretty much in line with EDGE or OL at 4 and WR at 10.
I agree but I'm refusing to set myself up for disappointment, and remaining open-minded.
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Draft the best available OL and WR with our first two picks and then hope that McBride is still there at 35 before taking him.
Is McBride at 35 good value?
I know we need a tightend badly and McBride has amazing production, but the guy runs like Ben Roethlisberger. Is he going to be able to seperate at the next level?
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Is McBride at 35 good value?
I know we need a tightend badly and McBride has amazing production, but the guy runs like Ben Roethlisberger. Is he going to be able to seperate at the next level?
He claps well
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I still want Dean
His clapping skills are generational
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I still want Dean
His clapping skills are generational
Could you imagine him living in a house with a clapper lamp?
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/62cWF3a5NeP6p4YOTB/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b952ec7c2ac260a08e6f4afa95cbe7e5d808ac6f3687&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g)
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I still want Dean
His clapping skills are generational
My preference is still convincing one of Denver/Washington to trade up for Pickett and then grabbing Dean and a stud WR. Get Zach a weapon, get mor picks to solidify both fronts, maybe grab a 1 for next year, and then go freaking get your defenses leader for the next decade in Dean.
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We aren’t bad enough for Thibs.
TBD
Still TBD but it was funny to go back and read the early takes.
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freak off, we're not picking 6th next year unless we make a trade to get there.
Technically correct.
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My preference is still convincing one of Denver/Washington to trade up for Pickett and then grabbing Dean and a stud WR. Get Zach a weapon, get mor picks to solidify both fronts, maybe grab a 1 for next year, and then go freaking get your defenses leader for the next decade in Dean.
Trading down works, but I think most of the draft capital we'd acquire would be for the following year. As an example here's what SFO gave up to jump to 3 from 12
2021 first-round pick (No. 12 traded to Eagles)
2022 first-round pick
2022 third-round pick
2023 first-round pick
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I think my dream scenario (in no particular order) is walking away with EDGE / N. Dean / WR / OL with our first four picks
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Trading down works, but I think most of the draft capital we'd acquire would be for the following year. As an example here's what SFO gave up to jump to 3 from 12
2021 first-round pick (No. 12 traded to Eagles)
2022 first-round pick
2022 third-round pick
2023 first-round pick
That's a steep price because they wanted a QB, plus there was a bidding war to move to 3.
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I think my dream scenario (in no particular order) is walking away with EDGE / N. Dean / WR / OL with our first four picks
This is the way
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Technically correct.
My optimism was cruelly misplaced.
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Trading down works, but I think most of the draft capital we'd acquire would be for the following year. As an example here's what SFO gave up to jump to 3 from 12
2021 first-round pick (No. 12 traded to Eagles)
2022 first-round pick
2022 third-round pick
2023 first-round pick
Which is why Denver is the ideal choice, as they have 2 2nds. So theoretically we could do a deal that looks like one of two options
Jets receive 9, 2022 3rd round pick, 2023 first rounder
OR
Jets receive 9, 2022 2nd round picks (40 and 60) and a 2023 mid-late round selection, most likely a 4th.
I don't think we get anywhere near what the Dolphins received last year, but anything is possible, and JD has gotten above market value in literally every trade he has made.
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The top 5 picks in this year's draft are worth significantly less than in last year's and you rarely see trades into the top-5 unless it's for a QB.
My guess is that we'll stand pat at 4 but there's a good chance we trade back from 10.
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Here's a 3 rd mock where we traded down to 12. I would sign for this in a heartbeat
1.10 G. WILSON
1.12 N. DEAN
2.35 TRAVON WALKER
2.38 ZION JOHNSON
2.46 LEWIS CINE
3.69 TREY MCBRIDE
3.77 KYREN WILLIAMS
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Here's a 3 rd mock where we traded down to 12. I would sign for this in a heartbeat
1.10 G. WILSON
1.12 N. DEAN
2.35 TRAVON WALKER
2.38 ZION JOHNSON
2.46 LEWIS CINE
3.69 TREY MCBRIDE
3.77 KYREN WILLIAMS
No way we get that lucky
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draft all Georgia defenders
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Looking forward to the combine so some of these mock draft simulators normalize. Some of these 2nd-round guys have no shot of actually being there.
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Here's a 3 rd mock where we traded down to 12. I would sign for this in a heartbeat
1.10 G. WILSON
1.12 N. DEAN
2.35 TRAVON WALKER
2.38 ZION JOHNSON
2.46 LEWIS CINE
3.69 TREY MCBRIDE
3.77 KYREN WILLIAMS
bing bong
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I think at this point the only position I am pretty sure I want i Edge. Not as high as the second rounders there opposed to other positions of need. Maybe Kingsley....
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Here's a 3 rd mock where we traded down to 12. I would sign for this in a heartbeat
1.10 G. WILSON
1.12 N. DEAN
2.35 TRAVON WALKER
2.38 ZION JOHNSON
2.46 LEWIS CINE
3.69 TREY MCBRIDE
3.77 KYREN WILLIAMS
I would be very happy with this.
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I would be very happy with this.
If you walked into Douglas office, handed him this draft and said “sign here and you can guarantee this is the draft class you get” do we really think he doesn’t take that? If that is even remotely close to the class we get it will blow my freaking mind
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bing bong
freak ya life
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freak ya life
5.161 P - Joe Byron - Delaware
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Most likely positions we'll take in the 1st round: EDGE, OL, WR
Less likely positions we'll take in the 1st round: LB, CB, S
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Most likely positions we'll take in the 1st round: EDGE, OL, WR
Less likely positions we'll take in the 1st round: LB, CB, S
did you see this in your corn flakes this morning or something?
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I've consulted the tea leaves, we're definitely not taking a QB, DT, K, P in the first.
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I've consulted the tea leaves, we're definitely not taking a QB, DT, K, P in the first.
Draft Kenny Pickett so we can have a Brees-Hill style QB tandem called Wilson Pickett.
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did you see this in your corn flakes this morning or something?
Nah, spaghettios last night
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Nah, spaghettios last night
They were all Os - we're drafting offense
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Draft Kenny Pickett so we can have a Brees-Hill style QB tandem called Wilson Pickett.
The whole offense collapses when the league bans fake slides.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-kenny-pickett-malik-willis-among-3-qbs
Daniel Jeremiah.
Thibodeaux and Duff.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-kenny-pickett-malik-willis-among-3-qbs
Daniel Jeremiah.
Thibodeaux and Duff.
Like first not second.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-kenny-pickett-malik-willis-among-3-qbs
Daniel Jeremiah.
Thibodeaux and Duff.
Passing on Garrett Wilson for McDuffie is dildos.
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Also find it interesting he has Lloyd going to Giants at 7. He's an off the ball linebacker AND doesn't clap as much as Dean.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-kenny-pickett-malik-willis-among-3-qbs
Daniel Jeremiah.
Thibodeaux and Duff.
If williams makes it to 30 we better trade up and get him
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Also find it interesting he has Lloyd going to Giants at 7. He's an off the ball linebacker AND doesn't clap as much as Dean.
Idk he looks like his clapping is top 15 talent
(https://c.tenor.com/67DejyAbrKYAAAAd/utah-football-utes.gif)
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Also looks like hes pretty damn good at pumping his chest. I think we should take him at 4.
(https://c.tenor.com/t7AkGvCOfPwAAAAC/utah-football.gif)
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DJ seems to share Heis' affinity for Treylon Burks and Travon Walker.
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DJ seems to share Heis' affinity for Treylon Burks and Travon Walker.
Based on what I've watched, Travon Walker is the best defensive lineman in this draft.
Measurables could alter that a bit. But I really think he's a top five overall prospect.
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If Travon Walker shows up at 6'5 270+ and can run, he's going top ten.
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smalls' head might explode if we're able to pull off thibodeaux after winning the jacksonville game
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smalls' head might explode if we're able to pull off thibodeaux after winning the jacksonville game
"I was rooting for the Jets the entire game, but when we won, I realized it ruined Christmas."
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"I was rooting for the Jets the entire game, but when we won, I realized it ruined Christmas."
A cornerback in the top 10 might ruin Christmas.
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A cornerback in the top 10 might ruin Christmas.
Better than a safety or center
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Better than a safety or center
that McDuffie pick is horrible at 10...with some of the players still on the board.
And Thibs falling to 4? I think Jeremiah stole McShay's bag of cocaine and went on a bender.
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that McDuffie pick is horrible at 10...with some of the players still on the board.
And Thibs falling to 4? I think Jeremiah stole McShay's bag of cocaine and went on a bender.
A mock draft in January is useless
Free Agency and trades will change a lot
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that McDuffie pick is horrible at 10...with some of the players still on the board.
And Thibs falling to 4? I think Jeremiah stole McShay's bag of cocaine and went on a bender.
Why can't Thibs fall to 4? I think it's not likely, but plausible.
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A mock draft in January is useless
Free Agency and trades will change a lot
Dude...mock drafts are useless period.
They're talking points for meatheads like us so we don't get bored waiting for the draft in April.
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Dude...mock drafts are useless period.
They're talking points for meatheads like us so we don't get bored waiting for the draft in April.
Is that what happened to mcshay?
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A mock draft in January is useless
Free Agency and trades will change a lot
I will also add in the combine to this list of critical items before things really start to matter.
A lot of potential top 10 picks need to prove elite athleticism to be there. A guy like stingley if he shows up and runs a 4.32 I’d be shocked if he doesn’t go sky high and could be top 5 without batting an eye. If he runs a 4.45 with his injury history he might go at 16 who knows? If we consider Neal a near lock to the Jags, the Detroit takes their edge, we just need a QB in the top 3 (which I believe has happened in all but 2 of the last 20 drafts or something like that) or Houston to find a reason to prefer any other player than the second edge. A guy like Stingley or Hamilton going bananas in Indy could make that very thing happened
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that McDuffie pick is horrible at 10...with some of the players still on the board.
And Thibs falling to 4? I think Jeremiah stole McShay's bag of cocaine and went on a bender.
He does a good job of explaining his picks in his podcast.
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He does a good job of explaining his picks in his podcast.
I like DJ...I just don't agree with the McDuffie pick.
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I will also add in the combine to this list of critical items before things really start to matter.
A lot of potential top 10 picks need to prove elite athleticism to be there. A guy like stingley if he shows up and runs a 4.32 I’d be shocked if he doesn’t go sky high and could be top 5 without batting an eye. If he runs a 4.45 with his injury history he might go at 16 who knows? If we consider Neal a near lock to the Jags, the Detroit takes their edge, we just need a QB in the top 3 (which I believe has happened in all but 2 of the last 20 drafts or something like that) or Houston to find a reason to prefer any other player than the second edge. A guy like Stingley or Hamilton going bananas in Indy could make that very thing happened
Exactly.
I say that about cornerback now because it doesn't look like there is a super-elite CB prospect. Maybe one emerges. Maybe we take care of virtually every other need in a significant way other than CB before the draft.
The only reason I consider Hamilton is it looks like he is that can't-miss superstar prospect. The fact some people reasonably think he could go #3 overall helps support that in my mind. If Hamilton somehow slipped to 10, it would be hard to pass that up. I think 4 is either an OL or an edge right now. But it's January.
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Ahmad Gardner and Derek Stingley are both elite cornerback prospects
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I'd sign for this 2 rd mock I did today, in a heartbeat
1.4 Ekwonu
1.10 Burks
2.35 N. Dean
2.38 Jermaine Johnson
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That would be great
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I'd sign for this 2 rd mock I did today, in a heartbeat
1.4 Ekwonu
1.10 Burks
2.35 N. Dean
2.38 Jermaine Johnson
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/c4/10/c4/c410c428a959736122bce61942316b0a--sarcastic-memes-funny-ha-ha.jpg)
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This one has some spicy decisions
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-mock-draft-jacksonville-jaguars-alabama-offensive-tackle-evan-neal-aidan-hutchinson-pick-2-detroit-lions
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This one has some spicy decisions
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-mock-draft-jacksonville-jaguars-alabama-offensive-tackle-evan-neal-aidan-hutchinson-pick-2-detroit-lions
Passing on Thibs is interesting.....i like the London pick, but i want to see him run at the combine.
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Passing on Thibs is interesting.....i like the London pick, but i want to see him run at the combine.
I'll be pretty surprised if he runs at the combine
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Davante Adams ran a 4.56 at the combine. I don't really care about 40 time for guys that aren't meant to take the top off.
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I'll be pretty surprised if he runs at the combine
Is he fast enough to take the top off the Def?
I know how good he is with contested catches.
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Is he fast enough to take the top off the Def?
I know how good he is with contested catches.
Why would you ask a possession receiver to be a deep threat?
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Why would you ask a possession receiver to be a deep threat?
We need a deep threat....and I didn't ask him to do anything.
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We need a deep threat....and I didn't ask him to do anything.
“Can he take the top off a defense?”
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“Can he take the top off a defense?”
Yeah..it was a question, not a statement.
Are you done being an asshat?
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Sometimes I call my wife "the defense" so I can take the top off her.
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Can Drake London make crème fraîche?
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like london a lot. is big, makes athletic and tough contested catches (which would be a godsend, and unique, for our WR corps LMAO), and seems to have a good competitive spirit. i'm not sure about his straight line speed but he is surprisingly agile and shifty after the catch
at the very least he seems like a guy that would have it in him to push himself to get better each year, and not come into the nfl a lost dumbass like denzel mims
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like london a lot. is big, makes athletic and tough contested catches (which would be a godsend, and unique, for our WR corps LMAO), and seems to have a good competitive spirit. i'm not sure about his straight line speed but he is surprisingly agile and shifty after the catch
at the very least he seems like a guy that would have it in him to push himself to get better each year, and not come into the nfl a lost dumbass like denzel mims
I'm still very concerned about drops with him. I watched 4 games and he had dropped atleast 1 ball that him in both hands each game. It might just be a concentration issue because he is definitely a hands catcher, but it's not something you want to see from your #10 pick.
I wish there were drop% stats for college players.
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I'm still very concerned about drops with him. I watched 4 games and he had dropped atleast 1 ball that him in both hands each game. It might just be a concentration issue because he is definitely a hands catcher, but it's not something you want to see from your #10 pick.
I wish there were drop% stats for college players.
Jerry Jeudy had some drops at Alabama too
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Nuk Hopkins vacuum hands don’t come around too often
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Nuk Hopkins vacuum hands don’t come around too often
They should call him Hoover Hopkins
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Notable drop numbers this season
Chris Olave: 7 (6.9%)
David Bell: 7 (5.2%)
Wan'Dale Robinson: 7 (4.9%)
Drake London: 5 (4.1%)
Justyn Ross: 3 (4.2%)
Romeo Doubs: 3 (2.7%)
Jameson Williams: 3 (2.5%)
Treylon Burks: 3 (3.3%)
Trey McBride: 3 (3.3%)
Jahan Dotson: 2 (1.4%)
Garrett Wilson: 2 (2.0%)
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get me burks or london
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Hp-AKrfm0
LETS FVCKIN GO
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Ross might be extremely under valued because his QB was absolute dog excrement
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Ross might be extremely under valued because his QB was absolute dog excrement
A couple years ago there was talk he was the next great WR prospect. Complete conjecture but I feel like the hit rate on those guys when they fall in stock like Ross has is higher than for the average prospect who will go in the ~3rd round.
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Notable drop numbers this season
Chris Olave: 7 (6.9%)
David Bell: 7 (5.2%)
Wan'Dale Robinson: 7 (4.9%)
Drake London: 5 (4.1%)
Justyn Ross: 3 (4.2%)
Romeo Doubs: 3 (2.7%)
Jameson Williams: 3 (2.5%)
Treylon Burks: 3 (3.3%)
Trey McBride: 3 (3.3%)
Jahan Dotson: 2 (1.4%)
Garrett Wilson: 2 (2.0%)
Where is this from?
- The percentages are a bit confusing to me as dividing the drops by catches doesn't get you this drop rate
- Also I saw London drop more than 5 balls in the 4 games I watched.
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A couple years ago there was talk he was the next great WR prospect. Complete conjecture but I feel like the hit rate on those guys when they fall in stock like Ross has is higher than for the average prospect who will go in the ~3rd round.
The neck/spinal issues will scare a lot of teams away from Ross
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A couple years ago there was talk he was the next great WR prospect. Complete conjecture but I feel like the hit rate on those guys when they fall in stock like Ross has is higher than for the average prospect who will go in the ~3rd round.
That injury did not help matter. And then going from Lawrence to this years QB sure makes a guy look like he isn’t a good football player any more
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Ross seems like the guy who will be off the board for half the teams.
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Draft Garrett Wilson and let's go score some TDs
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Draft Garrett Wilson and let's go score some TDs
He seems like the safest pick at the position. A sure-fire above average player. The least amount of question marks out of that group, at least for me. Probably doesn’t have the ceiling that Burks and Williams have though.
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Draft Garrett Wilson and let's go score some TDs
He seems like the safest pick at the position. A sure-fire above average player. The least amount of question marks out of that group, at least for me. Probably doesn’t have the ceiling that Burks and Williams have though.
Who's the comp for Wilson?
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Who's the comp for Wilson?
reminds me a lot of Nuk
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Who's the comp for Wilson?
He's got wiggle like odell.
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He's got wiggle like odell.
He doesn't have that kind of speed
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Garrett Wilson - Nuk Hopkins
Drake London - Michael Crabtree
Treylon Burks - Andre Johnson
Jameson Williams - DeSean Jackson/Will Fuller
Jahan Dotson - Tyler Lockett/Chad Johnson
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He doesn't have that kind of speed
He's got wiggle like odell
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Treylon Burks - Andre Johnson
Jameson Williams - Will Fuller
Love these comps
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Treylon Burks - Andre Johnson
i actually thought about this comp a lot while watching him due to his size/metrics/game
we were all hoping for johnson to fall to 4 for us and we know how that ended
let's fix this
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Garrett Wilson - Greg Jennings
Treylon Burks - Demaryius Thomas
Drake London - Michael Pittman Jr
I like the Will Fuller comp for Williams. Hopefully Williams can stay on the field unlike Fuller.
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Garrett Wilson - Greg Jennings
Treylon Burks - Demaryius Thomas
Drake London - Michael Pittman Jr
I like the Will Fuller comp for Williams. Hopefully Williams can stay on the field unlike Fuller.
Can garrett wilson put da team on his back doe?
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If we take Burks in round 1 would you consider taking another WR in round 2 if the opportunity presented itself?
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If we take Burks in round 1 would you consider taking another WR in round 2 if the opportunity presented itself?
That seems like a waste of resources.
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If we take Burks in round 1 would you consider taking another WR in round 2 if the opportunity presented itself?
Trey McBride if he's there
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That seems like a waste of resources.
WRs are the new gords. Keep drafting them until we have minimum 5-10 WR1s on the roster.
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That seems like a waste of resources.
It depends on who it is. If someone like Jameson Williams or Jahan Dotson slips, you need to consider them.
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That seems like a waste of resources.
Perhaps...just thinking of the Cincy model. They spent a 1st on Chase and a 2nd on Higgins albeit a year earlier.
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It depends on who it is. If someone like Jameson Williams or Jahan Dotson slips, you need to consider them.
Imagine Burks/Moore/Davis/Dotson or Williams
That would be the best talent at WR in the history of the franchise...assuming they pan out
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Perhaps...just thinking of the Cincy model. They spent a 1st on Chase and a 2nd on Higgins albeit a year earlier.
We at least have Elijah Moore already
(I know you know...just saying)
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Perhaps...just thinking of the Cincy model. They spent a 1st on Chase and a 2nd on Higgins albeit a year earlier.
Which is exactly what we would be doing if we took a WR in round 1. Except we took a 2nd-round WR in each of the last 2 drafts, not just last year (even though Mims sucks).
It's overkill unless there's such an insane value there you can't pass it up.
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Perhaps...just thinking of the Cincy model. They spent a 1st on Chase and a 2nd on Higgins albeit a year earlier.
They also got their franchise QB sacked more times than any other team in the league last season, the year after getting him seriously injured as he was getting sacked for the 32nd time in 10 games. They're fun to watch but I very much do not want to follow the Cincy model.
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I agree. If someone unexpectedly falls to us and is too good to pass up, fine. Otherwise, it would seem like overkill.
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I'd absolutely rather take another offensive linemen than two receivers in the first two rounds.
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Perhaps...just thinking of the Cincy model. They spent a 1st on Chase and a 2nd on Higgins albeit a year earlier.
They had to...because they blew a top 10 pick on John Ross.
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It depends on who it is. If someone like Jameson Williams or Jahan Dotson slips, you need to consider them.
This is the only situation I'd consider it. Nobody else feels like a good value compared to the other players likely available in the 2nd.
That's also why I'm so gungho about the top WRs, after them nobody stands out as a day 1 contributor.
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A lot of this depends on free agency
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I wouldn't like it, but I think it's the ceedee lamb situation. They didn't need him but now they have an embarrassment of riches and they have options.
They can trade Cooper just like we could potentially trade davis or let him go after next year.
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I think it’s an obvious “if the right guy falls” then yes you take him. The draft is about stock piling talent. We lack talent at the skill positions, sure it would be nice to spread it around some, but if we plan to grab 2 playmakers in our top 5 picks, and we get Burks (or whomever) at 10 and a we have a guy standing out on our board at the top of round 2 like Moore did for us last year, just take the guy. Sort the rest out later.
Davis hasn’t been good for us yet, it’s possible we could move on after next year. If we already have a young stud replacement then it’s even easier to do so. If the worst thing that happens is we have a top 5-10 unit in the nfl catching passes for Zach and protecting us from injury when that inevitably happens, I’m not the least bit worried about it.
As an aside I was doing a TDN mock and ended up getting Burks in round one after a trade down, and then Drake London was staring at me at 35 and I took him there. Sure it was a mock but if that actually happened I’m not sure how upset we would be to have that option for us in real life
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It's going to be OK to double dip at skill positions, especially when we have four picks in the first two rounds.
Surround Wilson with as much help as possible. Do everything you can to help him succeed...and if for whatever reason he doesn't, the next QB up steps into a solid foundation.
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It's going to be OK to double dip at skill positions, especially when we have four picks in the first two rounds.
Surround Wilson with as much help as possible. Do everything you can to help him succeed...and if for whatever reason he doesn't, the next QB up steps into a solid foundation.
This.
Our 1st-round picks should be used to help Wilson or to sack the opposing QB. That's it.
The Cincy model is fine. Sure, Burrow took a lot of hits, but he also needed to get the ball out faster. Even with a crappy offensive line, he was still extremely successful because he had a great receiving corps to make plays for him. If we draft a guy like Burks or Wilson, and they turn into a star, and Moore turns into a star like I think he can, those 2 and Davis is a hell of a trio, and it's hopefully good enough to still be a good group even with an injury.
I think the OL is serviceable now, though it could get a lot better. The WR corps when healthy is serviceable but could get a lot better. If they think the OL prospects are better than the WR prospects when we pick, go OL. If WR is better than OL, go OL. I think either option is fine.
The one tiebreaker towards OL is that we don't have an OT we can trust under contract for 2023. Fant is a FA and Becton is a question mark. They both might be great and under contract by then, but this could easily blow up in our faces in a year if Douglas doesn't have a contingency plan.
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Definitely on board with the double dip. A tight end double dip would be fine by me, sign Schultz, draft McBride in the second.
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It's going to be OK to double dip at skill positions, especially when we have four picks in the first two rounds.
Surround Wilson with as much help as possible. Do everything you can to help him succeed...and if for whatever reason he doesn't, the next QB up steps into a solid foundation.
What about Ole clappy though?
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Disclaimer: I haven’t read the last 7 pages
CBS has Kyle Hamilton going 3
PFF has Kyle Hamilton going 3
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It's going to be OK to double dip at skill positions, especially when we have four picks in the first two rounds.
Surround Wilson with as much help as possible. Do everything you can to help him succeed...and if for whatever reason he doesn't, the next QB up steps into a solid foundation.
This is the freaking model I've been asking the Jets to execute for over a decade.
But we just needed all of those defensive linemen and safeties.
Disclaimer: I haven’t read the last 7 pages
CBS has Kyle Hamilton going 3
PFF has Kyle Hamilton going 3
I'd be very happy if that happened.
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Disclaimer: I haven’t read the last 7 pages
CBS has Kyle Hamilton going 3
PFF has Kyle Hamilton going 3
Crazy that a safety would go that high in a draft with very good EDGE and OL prospects, but Hamilton is such a good and intriguing prospect. I would take him at 10 (probably), but not 4. If he goes at 3, that means an OL or EDGE fell to 4, which is great for us.
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If they took Ekwanu first I'd be fine picking Burks & Dotson back to back after him. However if Dotson's gone I wouldn't' pick London as I wouldn't want another 50/50 ball receiver vs. the route running & speed threat of Dotson.
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What about Ole clappy though?
We have a second first round pick to use on everyone’s favorite clapper.
This defense needs athletes, leaders and physical dudes who can give us an identity. I’m not sure there is a single defensive prospect who can’t help with that more in year one than Nakobe Dean, especially if draft a couple of his fellow bulldogs which we are all so damn hopeful that we do.
In my eyes the best thing we can do is slide back from 4 for extra picks this year and next, grab a defensive leader in Dean and a big time weapon for Zach. Then at 35 come back with a next tier OL like Zion Johnson and another weapon for Wilson, be it a TE or a 2nd WR.
Also I’m starting to like London more and more. That skill set just seems to add a dimension we don’t have. Man it would be fun to get London and then get lucky to have Jameson Williams injury slide him down to us in the early 30s. Lots of very talented WRs I could easily see playoff teams opting to grab a healthy guy who is a great weapon over an injured one who might be slightly more talented
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Alright,
4: R1 P4 LB Nakobe Dean - Georgia
10: R1 P10 DL Travon Walker - Georgia
35: R2 P3 S Lewis Cine - Georgia
38: R2 P6 CB Derion Kendrick - Georgia
69: R3 P5 WR George Pickens - Georgia
108: R4 P6 G Justin Shaffer - Georgia
114: R4 P12 G Jamaree Salyer - Georgia
145: R5 P3 RB Zamir White - Georgia
162: R5 P20 WR Kearis Jackson - Georgia
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We have a second first round pick to use on everyone’s favorite clapper.
This defense needs athletes, leaders and physical dudes who can give us an identity. I’m not sure there is a single defensive prospect who can’t help with that more in year one than Nakobe Dean, especially if draft a couple of his fellow bulldogs which we are all so damn hopeful that we do.
In my eyes the best thing we can do is slide back from 4 for extra picks this year and next, grab a defensive leader in Dean and a big time weapon for Zach. Then at 35 come back with a next tier OL like Zion Johnson and another weapon for Wilson, be it a TE or a 2nd WR.
Also I’m starting to like London more and more. That skill set just seems to add a dimension we don’t have. Man it would be fun to get London and then get lucky to have Jameson Williams injury slide him down to us in the early 30s. Lots of very talented WRs I could easily see playoff teams opting to grab a healthy guy who is a great weapon over an injured one who might be slightly more talented
THIS RIGHT HERE
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These Nakobe Dean arguments remind me of my Jamal Adams arguments a few years ago. I was all on board with the Adams pick because he looked like a can't-miss prospect who was a great athlete and great leader. And even though it ended poorly with Jamal, if Dean can be a similar caliber player, that would be huge.
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These Nakobe Dean arguments remind me of my Jamal Adams arguments a few years ago. I was all on board with the Adams pick because he looked like a can't-miss prospect who was a great athlete and great leader. And even though it ended poorly with Jamal, if Dean can be a similar caliber player, that would be huge.
Jamal wasn't a leader though. He is a loser that can't handle adversity.
We were fooled because he talked a lot. He didn't back that up.
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Jamal wasn't a leader though. He is a loser that can't handle adversity.
We were fooled because he talked a lot. He didn't back that up.
I'm pretty sure DS' post already implied that.
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I'm pretty sure DS' post already implied that.
Yeah, but freak Jamal Adams
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-mock-draft-2022-simulator-kenny-pickett-malik-willis
Here's a 2 round mock draft that will pee off Heis but will make Zach Wilson smile.
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-mock-draft-2022-simulator-kenny-pickett-malik-willis
Here's a 2 round mock draft that will pee off Heis but will make Zach Wilson smile.
Getting Dotson at 38 would be a major coup after the first 3 picks.
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Did my first one using TDN
4. Ikem Ekwonu OT
10. Garrett Wilson WR
35. Nakobe Dean LB
38. Trent McDuffie CB
69. Jeremy Ruckert TE
107. Chad Muma LB
113. Hassan Haskins RB
144. Tyreke Smith EDGE
161. Bryan Cook S
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Did my first one using TDN
4. Ikem Ekwonu OT
10. Garrett Wilson WR
35. Nakobe Dean LB
38. Trent McDuffie CB
69. Jeremy Ruckert TE
107. Chad Muma LB
113. Hassan Haskins RB
144. Tyreke Smith EDGE
161. Bryan Cook S
I'd sign up for this.
I think the key for me is going with some kind of OL/WR combo in the top 10...and hoping a stud like Dean drops to the 2nd round
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Muma Milkers!
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-mock-draft-2022-simulator-kenny-pickett-malik-willis
Here's a 2 round mock draft that will pee off Heis but will make Zach Wilson smile.
As much of a hard on Joe Douglas would get from taking 2 o lineman in the 1st round this year, you just can't do it. That would be 4 1st round lineman in 3 years and unfortunately there is no scenario in which you'd ever be able to dedicate that much cap to retaining all of them. You would have to let atleast one of them go which caps the potential of these investments.
It's like putting a large down-payment on 3 houses, the majority of it being interest, knowing that after a year you'd have to sell 2 of them because you won't be able to pay the mortgage.
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Muma Milkers!
oooh baby
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(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Oh-R7tho_Po/UmQqv7RDRWI/AAAAAAAAHgk/MU4s9Gd0lIw/s1600/Bare_Wench_3_Julie_K_Smith.jpg)
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^ Bo and Lunk like it straight from the tap
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I think right now, these are my top 10 Jets prospects at the moment...
1. Thibodeaux
2. Hutchinson
3. Neal
4. Ekwonu
5. Burks
6. Travon Walker
7. Hamilton
8. Garrett Wilson
9. Karlaftis
10. London
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I think right now, these are my top 10 Jets prospects at the moment...
1. Thibodeaux
2. Hutchinson
3. Neal
4. Ekwonu
5. Burks
6. Travon Walker
7. Hamilton
8. Garrett Wilson
9. Karlaftis
10. London
Mostly agree with this. Might slide Hamilton to 8 or 9.
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Neal and Ekwonu are both one the board at 4, who you got?
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Neal and Ekwonu are both one the board at 4, who you got?
Ekwonu can play Gord and Tackle....but there's no wrong answer here.
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Ekwonu can play Gord and Tackle....but there's no wrong answer here.
I think Neal can too. You take Ekwonu because NC State.
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I think Neal can too. You take Ekwonu because NC State.
Hmm.....freak NC State?
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Hmm.....freak NC State?
*User was given diabeeetus again for this post*
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*User was given diabeeetus again for this post*
haha
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I'd still prefer the edge rusher at 4 but the possibility of getting the best OL, WR, and TE in this draft is very intriguing.
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Open question: is it possible McBride sneaks into the late first? Only takes one team to decide he's worth it, and in a meh year for the position he might benefit from being the big fish in a little pond.
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Open question: is it possible McBride sneaks into the late first? Only takes one team to decide he's worth it, and in a meh year for the position he might benefit from being the big fish in a little pond.
We're coaching him in the Senior Bowl and have an obvious need at tight end. I could also see another team trying to trade up ahead of us to get him, knowing how obvious a fit he might be.
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Well if you look at the final 4 teams in the first round draft order
Bengals - likely losing Uzamoh but everyone feels their focus should be on OL this offseason
Dolphins - possibly losing Gesicki, but new staff may have new plans
Lions - have Hockenson already. Likely a prime trade down spot given all their needs and picking top 2 earlier.
Chiefs - have Kelce. I’d wager they are likely to focus on defense in the first round, but again a potential trade down candidate.
I’d say chances one of the final four slots in round 1 isn’t a likely spot for McBride. I don’t think you trade up in round 1 for a TE, especially in a class that appears to have quite a few good players in it. I’d also say that a first round TE needs to be bordering on an athletic freak. McBride has great skills, but is he an nfl freak athlete? Im not sure he is. But if he goes ape excrement at the combine, then all bets are off
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Well if you look at the final 4 teams in the first round draft order
Bengals - likely losing Uzamoh but everyone feels their focus should be on OL this offseason
Dolphins - possibly losing Gesicki, but new staff may have new plans
Lions - have Hockenson already. Likely a prime trade down spot given all their needs and picking top 2 earlier.
Chiefs - have Kelce. I’d wager they are likely to focus on defense in the first round, but again a potential trade down candidate.
I’d say chances one of the final four slots in round 1 isn’t a likely spot for McBride. I don’t think you trade up in round 1 for a TE, especially in a class that appears to have quite a few good players in it. I’d also say that a first round TE needs to be bordering on an athletic freak. McBride has great skills, but is he an nfl freak athlete? Im not sure he is. But if he goes ape excrement at the combine, then all bets are off
If you like a player that much, and you are convinced another team is going to take that player, you can trade up and get them. A tight end isn't a punter. I'm not saying a team will, but if we're convinced the Jets are taking McBride with one of those picks, you have to assume NFL teams realize this as well.
And like you said, two of those teams you mentioned might be losing their starting tight ends in free agency.
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I like McBride, but I’m not sure he’s a 1st round TE. If he runs a 4.6 at the combine then maybe things change.
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Bucky Brooks 1.0
https://www.nfl.com/news/bucky-brooks-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-kenny-pickett-matt-corral-only-qbs-selected
Has us taking Ekwonu and Wilson
Also of note, has Jameson Williams falling out of the 1st round. Would be amazing to grab him at 35.
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Bucky Brooks 1.0
https://www.nfl.com/news/bucky-brooks-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-kenny-pickett-matt-corral-only-qbs-selected
Has us taking Ekwonu and Wilson
Also of note, has Jameson Williams falling out of the 1st round. Would be amazing to grab him at 35.
I'll sign up for any mock draft that has us taking OL/WR combo in the first.....
and yes, grabbing Jameson in the 2nd round would be like taking viagra.
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I'm assuming at least one of these positions will be addressed before the draft but EDGE, WR, and OL are the only positions I'd really be satisfied with us addressing in the 1st at this point.
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I'm assuming at least one of these positions will be addressed before the draft but EDGE, WR, and OL are the only positions I'd really be satisfied with us addressing in the 1st at this point.
Right there with you. Obviously, free agency will change things.
Either get guys who can help Zach Wilson, or guys who can hit Josh Allen and Mac Jones.
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Would you guys sign, if this is ended up being our first 4 picks?
G. Wilson
N. Dean
Jermaine Johnson
Zion Johnson
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Yes, although taking Wilson at 4 would be a bit rich for me.
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https://twitter.com/PFF_Mike/status/1488989802443722763
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Would you guys sign, if this is ended up being our first 4 picks?
G. Wilson
N. Dean
Jermaine Johnson
Zion Johnson
2nd-round is great. 1st round is a little underwhelming, but it could work out. I think we need someone to help in the trenches on one side of the ball, and Wilson at 4 is a little rich.
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Would you guys sign, if this is ended up being our first 4 picks?
G. Wilson
N. Dean
Jermaine Johnson
Zion Johnson
Burks
Dean
Johnson
Johnson
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Yes, although taking Wilson at 4 would be a bit rich for me.
2nd-round is great. 1st round is a little underwhelming, but it could work out. I think we need someone to help in the trenches on one side of the ball, and Wilson at 4 is a little rich.
This is a fair point...but is there anyone you love at 4? Ekwonu?
So then it's which scenario would you prefer:
Wilson/Burks
Dean
Johnson
Johnson
OR
Ekwonu
Wilson/Burks
J. Johnson
McBride / CB
IDK man, I think Dean can have a huge impact for our D
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Burks
Dean
Johnson
Johnson
Sold.
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Would you guys sign, if this is ended up being our first 4 picks?
G. Wilson
N. Dean
Jermaine Johnson
Zion Johnson
Right now, yeah. Even if Wilson is a reach at 4 we make up for it.
But as mentioned above, Jermaine Johnson's stock might lift him out of reach of our 2nd rounders.
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Yes, although taking Wilson at 4 would be a bit rich for me.
Order be damned, yes I'd be plenty happy. I would say that it's most likely a trade down from 4 and/or 10 case with the potential of then moving back up.
Something like trading back with the Steelers to 20 and then jumping up from 35 to the mid 20s to grab a sliding guy.
At the end of the day the name of the game is to get actual difference makers, and I think those 4 would absolutely do that for us. So I would be on board. It's not the best combination IMO but its a damn good one, that we should all be pretty excited about if it came to pass.
As an aside, I am starting to see the internet falling in love with Jermaine Johnson over the past couple of weeks and his first two days of the senior bowl have just made that hype grow a bit louder. I think that his top 15-20 potential might be coming to pass.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-washington-commanders-get-their-quarterback-of-the-future-eagles-get-a-steal-at-15/
4. Hamilton
10. Cross
#HardPass
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4. Hamilton
10. Cross
#HardPass
Heis and I made a pact to never post another CBS mock draft on here again....we should include you in that pact.
that mock is AIDS.
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I’d be OK with Cross at 10 if we take an EDGE at 4.
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Heis and I made a pact to never post another CBS mock draft on here again....we should include you in that pact.
that mock is AIDS.
This is the way
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I’d be OK with Cross at 10 if we take an EDGE at 4.
I'd be disappointed 10 isn't a WR in that scenario. Also because drafting Cross means writing off one of Becton or Fant.
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This is where i'm currently at(in random order):
#4
- Hutch
-Thibs
-Ekwonu
-Neal
#10
-G.Wilson
-T.Burks
-D.London
-Dean
-trade back
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This is where i'm currently at(in random order):
#4
- Hutch
-Thibs
-Ekwonu
-Neal
#10
-G.Wilson
-T.Burks
-D.London
-Dean
-trade back
In terms of preference we agree. I just wouldn't be shocked if 10 was a DB.
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In terms of preference we agree. I just wouldn't be shocked if 10 was a DB.
I just think this regime has had good fortune finding DBs in the later rounds. I can't see them spending a premium pick on one. Obviously, i could be wrong. Just going on what i've seen thus far.
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ESPN post-Senior Bowl mock.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33227214/nfl-mock-draft-2022-jordan-reid-new-two-round-predictions-top-64-picks-featuring-six-quarterbacks-senior-bowl-risers
4. Ekwonu
10. Wilson
35. Myjai Sanders
38. McBride
This pleases me.
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An exceptional mock
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ESPN post-Senior Bowl mock.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33227214/nfl-mock-draft-2022-jordan-reid-new-two-round-predictions-top-64-picks-featuring-six-quarterbacks-senior-bowl-risers
4. Ekwonu
10. Wilson
35. Myjai Sanders
38. McBride
This pleases me.
Sign me up
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Interesting he had Lloyd go 9 and Dean at 24
Looking at EDGE guys in round 2...
How does Sanders compare to other Tier 2 EDGE guys like Cam Thomas, Kinglsey, and Ebitketie?
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Mel Kiper's latest mock
4. Hamilton
10. London
HARD. PASS.
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Interesting he had Lloyd go 9 and Dean at 24
Looking at EDGE guys in round 2...
How does Sanders compare to other Tier 2 EDGE guys like Cam Thomas, Kinglsey, and Ebitketie?
I personally like Enagbare the best of them, but Sanders is a close 2nd, I feel like Thomas and Ebiketie are down the list for me.
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ESPN post-Senior Bowl mock.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33227214/nfl-mock-draft-2022-jordan-reid-new-two-round-predictions-top-64-picks-featuring-six-quarterbacks-senior-bowl-risers
4. Ekwonu
10. Wilson
35. Myjai Sanders
38. McBride
This pleases me.
This is a best case scenario mock.
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I did a mock on PFF with a trade down with Washington in exchange for their 2nd rd pick.
1.10 Dean
1.11 Burks
2.36 Z. Johnson
2.38 Jermaine Johnson
2.43 McBride
3.68 Muma LB Wyoming
4.108 Kerby Joseph S Illinois
4.114 Tyler Allgeier RB BYU
5.145 Tariq Woolen CB UTSA
5.161 Jake Ferguson TE Wisconsin
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Tariq Woolen is such a great fit in our scheme. I think he'll be considered with one of our second rounders.
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Interesting he had Lloyd go 9 and Dean at 24
Looking at EDGE guys in round 2...
How does Sanders compare to other Tier 2 EDGE guys like Cam Thomas, Kinglsey, and Ebitketie?
Wide range of opinions in guys right now. I imagine it will be a lot more set closer to the draft. EDGE, LB, DB, WR all seem to have a wide range of opinions right now.
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I did a mock on PFF with a trade down with Washington in exchange for their 2nd rd pick.
1.10 Dean
1.11 Burks
2.36 Z. Johnson
2.38 Jermaine Johnson
2.43 McBride
3.68 Muma LB Wyoming
4.108 Kerby Joseph S Illinois
4.114 Tyler Allgeier RB BYU
5.145 Tariq Woolen CB UTSA
5.161 Jake Ferguson TE Wisconsin
an embarrassment of riches
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This is a good 2 rounder if we land a starting caliber WR before the draft.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/sn76b4/2022_2_round_mock_based_on_latest_intel
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This is a good 2 rounder if we land a starting caliber WR before the draft.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/sn76b4/2022_2_round_mock_based_on_latest_intel
If we somehow acquired Ridley in a trade, this is a great mock....the only problem is we probably wouldn't have the 35 and/or 38 picks.
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This one is pretty wild but we somehow end up doing Neal/London. Even in this bizarre scenario Hutch still doesn't fall to us.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-mock-draft-jacksonville-jaguars-select-mississippi-state-t-charles-cross-at-no-1-overall-kayvon-thibodeaux-lands-in-atlanta
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I’m not completely sure I’m behind drafting OL in the 1st, especially 4th overall. It seems like the biggest need is RG at this point, and I don’t think drafting a guard with the 4th overall pick is a smart idea, especially after trading up to 14 for a guard last year.
Draft one in the second and the line should be fine. This obviously hinges on Becton playing one of the tackle positions next year. I think year 3 for a top 10 pick is way too early to give up or make extreme contingency plans.
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I’m not completely sure I’m behind drafting OL in the 1st, especially 4th overall. It seems like the biggest need is RG at this point, and I don’t think drafting a guard with the 4th overall pick is a smart idea, especially after trading up to 14 for a guard last year.
Draft one in the second and the line should be fine. This obviously hinges on Becton playing one of the tackle positions next year. I think year 3 for a top 10 pick is way too early to give up or make extreme contingency plans.
I hear you. I'm not excited about the idea but it's the result of there being no other obvious pick to make at 4 without Hutch/Thib.
I'm ok with it due to the uncertainty of the future with Becton/Fant, playing the rookie at RG would likely be temporary and gives us insurance for Becton busting or Fant leaving.
Honestly I'd be fine if they traded down from 4.
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I don't think they invest their first rounders in an offensive lineman either, although I would not be completely opposed to it if Neal or Ewonku is there. I think they're going either DE or trading back...
WR/OT/LB/CB are all on the table at 10.
There are so many directions they can go with this, I honestly don't know what are they gonna stay put or trade back. It's going to be a wild offseason and I dont think anyone has an idea what direction this FO is going until FA has played itself out.
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I hear you. I'm not excited about the idea but it's the result of there being no other obvious pick to make at 4 without Hutch/Thib.
I'm ok with it due to the uncertainty of the future with Becton/Fant, playing the rookie at RG would likely be temporary and gives us insurance for Becton busting or Fant leaving.
Honestly I'd be fine if they traded down from 4.
The dream is somebody falls in love with a QB and we convince them Daboll has no intentions of keeping Daniel Jones, and wants QB1. The chances of that, feel pretty slim however.
If we have to stick/pick we are either taking a guy we don't really want (Hamilton/Stingley) or are taking an OL high yet again, or reaching for a prospect ( Edge3, WR1 or LB1) simply because we can't get out of 4. I think in that scenario it comes down to how big a gap in draft grades are there between the next edge, and the top OL left on the board. If it's close, we probably go edge. If it's not, we take the OL. That's just what I expect is going to happen in April as I can't see anyone coming with a real offer for #4.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-two-trades-bucs-steelers-find-successors- (https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-two-trades-bucs-steelers-find-successors-)
Hamilton and Gardner. And we pass on Thibodeaux.
Gross.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-two-trades-bucs-steelers-find-successors- (https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-two-trades-bucs-steelers-find-successors-)
Hamilton and Gardner. And we pass on Thibodeaux.
Gross.
It's a horrible mock
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Matt Miller Jets mock
4. Thibodeaux
10. Sauce Gardner
35. McBride
38. Zion Johnson
69. Christian Watson (WR)
109. Dohnovan West (C)
115. Bryan Cook (S)
145. Romeo Doubs (WR)
162. Chris Paul (OT)
If we attack wide receiver in trade/free agency, this could work. I don't love cornerback at 10, but if free agency goes a certain way, I can buy it.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZzXEzXO4gg/
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freak Matt Miller
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https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-mock-draft-jacksonville-jaguars-select-mississippi-state-t-charles-cross-at-no-1-overall-kayvon-thibodeaux-lands-in-atlanta
Latest PFF Mock.
4. Neal
10. London
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Cross 1, Stingley 2 is out there...
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Cross 1, Stingley 2 is out there...
If I needed a true left tackle, I might take Cross over Neal.
Stinley at #2 is madness. Detroit would never do that after what happened with Okudah at #3 a few years ago.
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https://twitter.com/cfrelund/status/1492202253519765506?s=20
Frelund should stick to being hot, and leave the mock drafting alone.
4. Sauce Gardner
10. Charles Cross
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https://twitter.com/cfrelund/status/1492202253519765506?s=20
Frelund should stick to being hot, and leave the mock drafting alone.
4. Sauce Gardner
10. Charles Cross
Her reasoning for Cross makes no sense “I know Benton and Fant are there, and competing for LT where the loser becomes the RT, but the line needs help, so I’m taking a LT only player at 10 because I like his upside.”
freak that reasoning. I’m only taking Cross as my OL player in round one if I already have a deal to trade Becton to the highest bidder because I don’t want him any more.
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Her reasoning for Cross makes no sense “I know Benton and Fant are there, and competing for LT where the loser becomes the RT, but the line needs help, so I’m taking a LT only player at 10 because I like his upside.”
freak that reasoning. I’m only taking Cross as my OL player in round one if I already have a deal to trade Becton to the highest bidder because I don’t want him any more.
Yeah, that was really confusing to read. It was literally just a bunch of reasons why the pick doesn't make sense for the Jets.
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I feel Cross only makes sense if you have zero faith in Becton of if you're trading Fant. And it makes little sense to trade Fant unless he wants an astronomical amount of money and you don't believe in him.
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Just participated in a quick pre-Super Bowl three rounder:
Ikem Ekwonu - OL - NC State
Treylon Burks - WR - Arkansas
Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
Daxton Hill - S - Michigan
Jeremy Ruckert - TE - Ohio State
I would've drafted Breece Hall over Ruckert, but he went to Houston the pick before. Happy with these results though.
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Just participated in a quick pre-Super Bowl three rounder:
Ikem Ekwonu - OL - NC State
Treylon Burks - WR - Arkansas
Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
Daxton Hill - S - Michigan
Jeremy Ruckert - TE - Ohio State
I would've drafted Breece Hall over Ruckert, but he went to Houston the pick before. Happy with these results though.
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Just participated in a quick pre-Super Bowl three rounder:
Ikem Ekwonu - OL - NC State
Treylon Burks - WR - Arkansas
Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
Daxton Hill - S - Michigan
Jeremy Ruckert - TE - Ohio State
I would've drafted Breece Hall over Ruckert, but he went to Houston the pick before. Happy with these results though.
Any combination of OL/EDGE at 4 and WR at 10 works for me. At least 2 of the first 4 picks need to be offense. Doubling up at tight end is fine by me as well.
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Read this to be angry for no good reason
https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-five-trades-five-qbs-selected-in-round-1
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Read this to be angry for no good reason
https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-five-trades-five-qbs-selected-in-round-1
chad reuter sucks
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Just participated in a quick pre-Super Bowl three rounder:
Ikem Ekwonu - OL - NC State
Treylon Burks - WR - Arkansas
Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
Daxton Hill - S - Michigan
Jeremy Ruckert - TE - Ohio State
I would've drafted Breece Hall over Ruckert, but he went to Houston the pick before. Happy with these results though.
As long as they blow their load on defensive talent in free agency, this is good by me.
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Read this to be angry for no good reason
https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-five-trades-five-qbs-selected-in-round-1
Don't want Hamilton at 4 but love the trade down. I might even tolerate Hamilton at 4 if we can get a trade down to 20 to get London.
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https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/02/15/2022-nfl-first-round-mock-draft-ny-jets-surprise/
4. Jermaine Johnson
10. Garrett Wilson
I'm not even mad. I'm kinda warming up to the idea of Johnson's stock moving up into the top 5.
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That would be awful.
The Senior Bowl should not cause a player to rise that much.
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IF you think he's EDGE3 then it's defensible - but I'm far from sure that he is.
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IF you think he's EDGE3 then it's defensible - but I'm far from sure that he is.
He’s probably EDGE 6 depending on how you view Karlaftis and Ojabo
But because there’s some Senior Bowl practice of Johnson, there’s a lot of ridiculousness going on
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IF you think he's EDGE3 then it's defensible - but I'm far from sure that he is.
I'm not sold on Karlaftis
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He’s probably EDGE 6 depending on how you view Karlaftis and Ojabo
But because there’s some Senior Bowl practice of Johnson, there’s a lot of ridiculousness going on
I still prefer Ewok or Neal at 4.
Or Thibs if he drops into our laps.
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I'm not sold on Karlaftis
But you're sold on Jermaine Johnson? Why?
(I wouldn't want either at #4. Karlaftis at #10 is fine.)
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But you're sold on Jermaine Johnson? Why?
(I wouldn't want either at #4. Karlaftis at #10 is fine.)
I said i wasn't mad....i didn't say i was sold. Maybe he works his way up into the conversation after the combine, i dunno. It's not out of the question for players to rise up boards.
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This is why I'd rather trade down from 4 and let a few picks sort themselves out.
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I said i wasn't mad....i didn't say i was sold. Maybe he works his way up into the conversation after the combine, i dunno. It's not out of the question for players to rise up boards.
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we should trade up to #1 for Storm Duck
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Updated Matt Miller, Thibs and Sauce
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/st2wed/matt_millers_215_mock_draft
No offense but 2 pretty great picks. Could be happy with this depending on FA.
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1.04 is for EDGE 1-2 or OT 1-2. I don't want anyone else.
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https://twitter.com/marcus_mosher/status/1493584993066655750?s=21
This is P cool
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1.04 is for EDGE 1-2 or OT 1-2. I don't want anyone else.
Just came in here to say I want Hutch, Thibs, Ikky, or Neal at 4
Hamilton is a good prospect but I vehemently disagree with building the team by drafting safety high. I would feel this way even without the Adams/Maye draft
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This is why I'd rather trade down from 4 and let a few picks sort themselves out.
Honestly we are going to get better value for our needs at #10. If we could convince anyone to come up for 4 it’s a major win. Problem is no one will go up that high for a QB unless they have lost their minds or the Jets and Giants collaborate on the greatest smokescreen ever, convincing the world the Giants go QB if someone doesn’t jump up and grab their guy. Which means the only other “realistic” trade target is a top 2 pass rusher, but if that guy is on the board, we should take him rather than move down.
I just can’t see us moving off of 4 unless we trade that pick for a player or take an unexpectedly large discount (drop down a few slots for a 3rd or maybe swap with the Skins for a 2nd, etc), knowing how much JD loves value I can’t see him getting an offer he likes to make that move.
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1.04 is for EDGE 1-2 or OT 1-2. I don't want anyone else.
What’s your plan for the OL if a tackle is drafted at 4? Still don’t quite understand this idea.
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What’s your plan for the OL if a tackle is drafted at 4? Still don’t quite understand this idea.
If it's Ekwonu or Neal, you start them inside at guard first. If Becton works out, that's best case scenario. If he doesn't, you cut ties after 2022 and move the #4 pick out to tackle.
2022 OL: Fant-AVT-McGovern-#4-Becton
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If it's Ekwonu or Neal, you start them inside at guard first. If Becton works out, that's best case scenario. If he doesn't, you cut ties after 2022 and move the #4 pick out to tackle.
2022 OL: Fant-AVT-McGovern-#4-Becton
I don’t disagree this is the most likely outcome, but what I don’t get is if we are good taking the #4 over pick and having them play OG for their entire career (with the assumption Becton and Fant both stay “long term” why are we against Linderbaum at 10 IF we get an edge at 4? To me you are drafting a player with a position in mind and that is plan A, if he can do other things that’s nice, but that’s not the reason you picked him, it’s because you think he can execute plan A at a high level. So if we are good with intentionally drafting a OG at 4, I don’t see the reasoning why taking a C at 10 is such a horrendous idea, especially since I think he can play OG as well.
Secondly, what’s the backup plan? What if an edge does fall to 4? What if Neal goes 1 and Ekwonu robs a bank? Are we praying Zion Johnson is there at 35? I don’t think that’s a viable prayer to hold onto
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Linderbaum can’t play tackle
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it's only Feb 16 and i'm already tired of mock drafts.
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it's only Feb 16 and i'm already tired of mock drafts.
4. Andrew Mevis
10. Cade York
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4. Andrew Mevis
10. Cade York
4. Operation
10. Horsefly
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4. Operation
10. Horsefly
#MaccagnanKnew
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Linderbaum can’t play tackle
https://twitter.com/ToddBrommelkamp/status/1493959404454043652?s=20
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https://twitter.com/ToddBrommelkamp/status/1493959404454043652?s=20
Send McShay back to rehab
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Send McShay back to rehab
here's McShay's latest mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33295982/nfl-mock-draft-2022-todd-mcshay-post-super-bowl-predictions-all-32-first-round-picks-including-qb-landing-spots
4. Ewok
10. Stingley Jr.
he has us passing on Thibs....which barring JD coming down with downs syndrome, i don't see happening.
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here's McShay's latest mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33295982/nfl-mock-draft-2022-todd-mcshay-post-super-bowl-predictions-all-32-first-round-picks-including-qb-landing-spots
4. Ewok
10. Stingley Jr.
he has us passing on Thibs....which barring JD coming down with downs syndrome, i don't see happening.
I can see it if he really goes all in on the “protect Zach” formula but then 10 should be offense as well, and certainly not used on an injury prone DB.
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I can see it if he really goes all in on the “protect Zach” formula but then 10 should be offense as well, and certainly not used on an injury prone DB.
I really like Ekwonu...but man, passing on Thibs for him? yeeeks
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4. Andrew Mevis
he is darrelle Mevi$ third cousin
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How many teams have 3 1st round picks on their OL? Especially two top 10 picks, and all in back to back years? I’m all about building around Zach, but I think it still has to make sense.
Taking a guard in the 2nd seems like the better move given the current state of the line. That 4th pick kind of sucks unless one of the Edges fall or they trade down. Not a huge fan of any realistic option there.
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How many teams have 3 1st round picks on their OL? Especially two top 10 picks, and all in back to back years? I’m all about building around Zach, but I think it still has to make sense.
Taking a guard in the 2nd seems like the better move given the current state of the line. That 4th pick kind of sucks unless one of the Edges fall or they trade down. Not a huge fan of any realistic option there.
The Colts drafted Quenton Nelson and Ryan Kelly in the first round. They drafted Braden Smith with the NYJ pick at the top of the second round in the same draft as Nelson.
The Dallas Cowboys drafted Smith, Frederick, and Martin in the first round.
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I could see Douglas passing up Thibs for Ekwonu. Ekwonu fits exactly what we need on offense - a guard who can provide insurance at tackle if Becton gets hurt or we don't resign Fant. If Douglas thinks Ekwonu is that good, I can see it, especially if he likes the edges at 10 or Day 2, or if we've already addressed that position.
I'm only tired of pre-Combine mock drafts. The Combine will change some things. So will free agency. Maybe we trade 35 for Khalil Mack or sign some good edge in FA. Maybe we get Allen Robinson and Christian Kirk before the draft. Maybe Jahan Dotson runs a 4.29. Maybe Thibodeaux turns off teams at the Combine and falls to 10. Lots of variables. What if Treylon Burks kills a man?
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I could see Douglas passing up Thibs for Ekwonu. Ekwonu fits exactly what we need on offense - a guard who can provide insurance at tackle if Becton gets hurt or we don't resign Fant. If Douglas thinks Ekwonu is that good, I can see it, especially if he likes the edges at 10 or Day 2, or if we've already addressed that position.
I'm only tired of pre-Combine mock drafts. The Combine will change some things. So will free agency. Maybe we trade 35 for Khalil Mack or sign some good edge in FA. Maybe we get Allen Robinson and Christian Kirk before the draft. Maybe Jahan Dotson runs a 4.29. Maybe Thibodeaux turns off teams at the Combine and falls to 10. Lots of variables. What if Treylon Burks kills a man?
Saleh will have a voice at Douglas's table. It would take a compelling argument from Douglas to pass on Thibs. Personally, i don't see it happening...but anything is possible.
If you're wondering what i'm referring to...check out the unsourced article LJF posted in the Jets Misc thread.
EDIT: it's a Connor Hughes article
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https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/02/15/2022-nfl-first-round-mock-draft-ny-jets-surprise/
4. Jermaine Johnson
10. Garrett Wilson
I'm not even mad. I'm kinda warming up to the idea of Johnson's stock moving up into the top 5.
Jermaine Johnson is also ~ 2 years older than Thibodeaux, Hutchinson, Karlaftis, etc. I think he's solidly among the oldest prospects being talked about going so high, which should definitely should be considered when thinking about projection.
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Jermaine Johnson is also ~ 2 years older than Thibodeaux, Hutchinson, Karlaftis, etc. I think he's solidly among the oldest prospects being talked about going so high, which should definitely should be considered when thinking about projection.
For a team that has had a vanishingly small number of players it drafted sign a second contract, I don't know how much we should really care. Give me five years of good play and anything else is a bonus. Obviously drafting 25 year olds shouldn't be a standard policy, but if everything else screams that they're the right guy then I wouldn't be put off by a greater level of maturity.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2951636-2022-nfl-mock-draft-br-nfl-scouting-depts-post-super-bowl-picks
Bleacher Report's 3 Rd Mock
4. Karlaftis
10. Jordan Davis
35. Devin Lloyd
38. Trey McBride
69. Coby Bryant
Not a fan of round 1
No way Lloyd drops to the second round.
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Bleacher Report's 3 Rd Mock
4. Karlaftis
10. Jordan Davis
35. Devin Lloyd
38. Trey McBride
69. Coby Bryant
Not a fan of round 1
No way Lloyd drops to the second round.
Gross
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I didn't think it was even worth mentioning in the Do Not Want thread, but Jordan Davis at 10... do not freaking want.
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Just because Bleacher Report was bought by Time Warner and has mastered the art of clickbait/search engine algorithm exploitation doesn't mean they are legit or informative in any way (not that any Feb. mocks are legit and/or informative, I know it's all in good time-killing fun).
Imagine if Connor Hughes had less sources and also had Down Syndrome....that's the Bleacher Report "journalism" sweatshop.
This is like rolling your eyes at the homeless crack head at the subway exit predicting we take Oscar The Grouch at pick 10.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-packers-add-wr-in-round-3
Chad Reuter's latest 3 round Mock; AKA The Drake Draft
4. Hamilton
20. Drake London +(Pitt 2023 1st rd pick and 2022 3rd rd pick)
29. Drake Jackson traded up from 35 and gave up our 4th rd pick this year
38. Roger McCreary
69. Sean Rhyan
84. Charlie Kolar
I'll pass on this mock.
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Chad Reuter's latest 3 round Mock; AKA The Drake Draft
4. Hamilton
20. Drake London +(Pitt 2023 1st rd pick and 2022 3rd rd pick)
29. Drake Jackson traded up from 35 and gave up our 4th rd pick this year
38. Roger McCreary
69. Sean Rhyan
84. Charlie Kolar
I'll pass on this mock.
Not to our taste but I don't think it's a disaster. 6 picks that can all potentially start day 1 and getting the Steelers 2023 pick is promising, they could be pretty lousy next year unless they're landing a big fish at QB.
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Not to our taste but I don't think it's a disaster. 6 picks that can all potentially start day 1 and getting the Steelers 2023 pick is promising, they could be pretty lousy next year unless they're landing a big fish at QB.
I just can't get on board with any mock involving us taking a Safety at 4.
I do like the trade back tho.
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I just can't get on board with any mock involving us taking a Safety at 4.
I do like the trade back tho.
Actually I'm going to backpedal a bit... I clicked the link and saw he had us take Hamilton over Thibodeaux. That would be very annoying.
Only way I can begin to rationalize Hamilton is if both top edges are gone.
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Actually I'm going to backpedal a bit... I clicked the link and saw he had us take Hamilton over Thibodeaux. That would be very annoying.
Only way I can begin to rationalize Hamilton is if both top edges are gone.
yes..Thibs being there makes it much worse.
Ekwonu/both EDGEs/Neal are ahead of Hamilton imo.
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yes..Thibs being there makes it much worse.
Ekwonu/both EDGEs/Neal are ahead of Hamilton imo.
With the OL I can think of it like this - is it better to have Hamilton and BGA (like Green or Johnson) at 35/38, or Ekwonu/Neal and BSA (like Brisker) at 35/38? Obviously the reality is much more complicated but if you compare those narrowed scenarios I think there's a real debate.
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With the OL I can think of it like this - is it better to have Hamilton and BGA (like Green or Johnson) at 35/38, or Ekwonu/Neal and BSA (like Brisker) at 35/38? Obviously the reality is much more complicated but if you compare those narrowed scenarios I think there's a real debate.
I guess i don't value Safety as much. I'd rather take Lewis Cine in round 3 if he's still there.
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With the OL I can think of it like this - is it better to have Hamilton and BGA (like Green or Johnson) at 35/38, or Ekwonu/Neal and BSA (like Brisker) at 35/38? Obviously the reality is much more complicated but if you compare those narrowed scenarios I think there's a real debate.
I'm not the hugest fan of going O-line at 4, I think there are too many other pressing needs for this team given the performance of our O-line in the second half of the season combined with the possibility of Becton coming back. I really want edge at 4, but if the top 2 are off the board I wouldn't be upset to take Hamilton over Ekwonu/Neal.
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I'm not the hugest fan of going O-line at 4, I think there are too many other pressing needs for this team given the performance of our O-line in the second half of the season combined with the possibility of Becton coming back. I really want edge at 4, but if the top 2 are off the board I wouldn't be upset to take Hamilton over Ekwonu/Neal.
These are the positions I would select before Safety at 4 (in random order)
OL
EDGE
CB
WR
in other words..premium positions.
I'm not knocking Hamilton...kid's a baller. He's just not a priority in the top 10 for us, imo.
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I think I can live with Hamilton at 10 if we do not go Stingley/Sauce at 4.
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I think I can live with Hamilton at 10 if we do not go Stingley/Sauce at 4.
That's always been my take.
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Daniel Jeremiah's mock 2.0.
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-bills-land-another-playmaking-wr-for-jos
4. Ekwonu
10. Sauce
I like this one better than his previous mock where he had us taking McDuffie at 10. I'd still prefer one of the top WRs at 10. DJ also has Thibs dropping to 8 for Atlanta. I still don't see Thibs getting past 4, unless he robs a bank between now and April.
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Daniel Jeremiah's mock 2.0.
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-bills-land-another-playmaking-wr-for-jos
4. Ekwonu
10. Sauce
I like this one better than his previous mock where he had us taking McDuffie at 10. I'd still prefer one of the top WRs at 10. DJ also has Thibs dropping to 8 for Atlanta. I still don't see Thibs getting past 4, unless he robs a bank between now and April.
I would take Travon at 4. The real EDGE 1.
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I would take Travon at 4. The real EDGE 1.
he has the Giants taking him at 5
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he has the Giants taking him at 5
Yes, I know. In that mock, I would pass on Icky and take Walker at 4. I'd then take BPA WR at 10.
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Yes, I know. In that mock, I would pass on Icky and take Walker at 4. I'd then take BPA WR at 10.
He has the Bills taking Burks....that hurts my head.
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He also has a 25 year old tackle going in the first round.
I'd be pretty surprised if Burks fell out of the Top 15.
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Still don't want a CB in the 1st round right now, but free agency could change that.
Passing up Wilson and Burks for a cornerback would be surprising. Would be nice if we could trade down if that were the case.
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Passing up Wilson and Burks for a cornerback would be surprising. Would be nice if we could trade down if that were the case.
If Gardner runs sub 4.35, I'd consider him at 4. I'd prefer the EDGE rusher, but I'd consider a truly elite CB prospect (depending on how free agency goes).
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If Gardner runs sub 4.35, I'd consider him at 4. I'd prefer the EDGE rusher, but I'd consider a truly elite CB prospect (depending on how free agency goes).
Agreed. Part of my disdain for CB at 4/10 was that I didn't think any of the CBs were elite prospects. I'd be lying if I did a ton of research, but Stingley was considered CB1 by most for a while, even though he's been in-and-out of the lineup for 2 years now. And the fact there is a lot of debate as to which CBs are the best tells me there isn't one guy considered a can't-miss. I also think in this system, pass rush is way more important than cornerback.
Gardner is the one I can be convinced of the most. The guy was phenomenal in college and he has the size you're looking for. If he runs in the 4.3 range, then he will check every box of production, size, and athleticism.
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Here is a mock I am not a fan of
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/1-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-mds-mellor-february-matt-corral-sam-howell/
Booth at 4
Ojabo at 10
Strangely if he went with the top Edge at 4 and the top CB at 10, I would have been okay with it.
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atrocious
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Daniel Jeremiah's mock 2.0.
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-bills-land-another-playmaking-wr-for-jos
4. Ekwonu
10. Sauce
I like this one better than his previous mock where he had us taking McDuffie at 10. I'd still prefer one of the top WRs at 10. DJ also has Thibs dropping to 8 for Atlanta. I still don't see Thibs getting past 4, unless he robs a bank between now and April.
Mcshay gas the same mockfor the jets
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https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2022/pre-combine-mock-draft-giants-go-big-eagles-go-bigger
4. Hutch
10. Garrett Wilson
sign me up
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Pretty sure any reasonable combo of WR (Burks, Wilson, London), OL (Neal, Ekwonu) and EDGE (Thibs, Hutch, Walker) and we would all be happy.
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Pretty sure any reasonable combo of WR (Burks, Wilson, London), OL (Neal, Ekwonu) and EDGE (Thibs, Hutch, Walker) and we would all be happy.
I'm not as locked in on mid-major football as I used to be, but after seeing DJ's mock with Tulsa's Tyler Smith in the first round, I went and watched some of his play...he's a fantastic player.
I don't want to call him elite just yet, but he certainly looks to be in the run game. I think he's a tackle only prospect though.
Ekwonu can play guard which is why he's an enticing player at #4. I'm hoping Neal goes #1 to JAX to push some talent to us at #4. I don't know if Smith could play guard. I think he'd be wasted at guard there while I think Icky would thrive inside.
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Here's a scenario where I'd be ok with Hamilton at 4
4. Hamilton
10. Burks
36 Jermaine Johnson
38. Zion Johnson
68. Muuuuma
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Here's a scenario where I'd be ok with Hamilton at 4
4. Hamilton
10. Burks
36 Jermaine Johnson
38. Zion Johnson
68. Muuuuma
JJ probably not falling to the second at this point, but maybe a guy like Cameron Thomas would be there.
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JJ probably not falling to the second at this point, but maybe a guy like Cameron Thomas would be there.
I can root for all the Michael Carters and all the Cam Thomas's.
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If you only pick players whose last names start with the same letter you can still draft better than Idzik.
4. Jameson Williams WR,
10. Travon Walker EDGE,
35. Kenneth Walker III RB,
38. Tariq Woolen CB,
69. Jalen Wydermyer TE,
109. Sam Williams EDGE,
115. Dohnovan West IOL,
145. JT Woods S,
162. Josh Williams CB,
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My last mock before combine...would sign for this in a heartbeat
4. Hutch
10. Burks
36. Zion Johnson
38. Lewis Cine
68. Muma
108. Ruckert
114. Tyler Allgeier
145. Christian Watson
161. Tariq Woolen
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My last mock before combine...would sign for this in a heartbeat
1. Hutch
10. Burks
36. Zion Johnson
38. Lewis Cine
68. Muma
108. Ruckert
114. Tyler Allgeier
145. Christian Watson
161. Tariq Woolen
you got the 1st pick overall?
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Christian Watson and Tariq Woolen are both going in the second or third round, babbie
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you got the 1st pick overall?
Sorry - typo. I picked at 4. mock had no trades
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Christian Watson and Tariq Woolen are both going in the second or third round, babbie
I heard something about Woolen being hyped up as potentially running in the high 4.2 range. If that happens some team is going to overdraft the kid based on measureables
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I heard something about Woolen being hyped up as potentially running in the high 4.2 range. If that happens
some team is going to overdraft the kid based on measureables
If he runs a 4.2, he should go in the first round. He's a very good player. I think he's an early second round type prospect right now.
An elite 40 time would elevate him.
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In Kiper's latest mock he has us taking
4. Hamilton
10. Linderbaum
lulz
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In Kiper's latest mock he has us taking
4. Hamilton
10. Linderbaum
lulz
Heismanberg would walk into the desert
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Heismanberg would walk into the desert
without water
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without water
with Lena Dunham on your back
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Haven't done the research, but I can't imagine a team has taken a safety and a center in the top 10 in the same draft.
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Gord, punter. Do it, Bradeay.
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Connor Rodgers was in a 2-man post-Combine mock. He picked for the Jets.
4. Kayvon Thibodeaux (both OL gone)
10. Garrett Wilson (1st WR off the board)
35. Daxton Hill
38. Trey McBride
They had Karlaftis falling to round 2! (33rd overall)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvw2RXrAg68&t=299s
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Connor Rodgers was in a 2-man post-Combine mock. He picked for the Jets.
4. Kayvon Thibodeaux (both OL gone)
10. Garrett Wilson (1st WR off the board)
35. Daxton Hill
38. Trey McBride
They had Karlaftis falling to round 2! (33rd overall)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvw2RXrAg68&t=299s
Connor knows what's up
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Talking heads don't like Karlaftis because he's boring. He's a really good player, similar to Ryan Kerrigan.
I don't think he'll be a superstar but he'll be a solid starter for whoever picks him for a long time.
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Totally unrealistic and stupid mock I just did on PFN, with trades
10. Ikem Ekwonu - OT - NC State
15. Ahmad Gardner - CB - Cincinnati
23. Travon Walker - EDGE - Georgia
28. Nakobe Dean - LB - Georgia
30. Treylon Burks - WR - Arkansas
55. Breece Hall - RB - Iowa State
91. Greg Dulcich - TE - UCLA
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Post-combine Athletic mock.
4. Evan Neal
10. Jermaine Johnson
35. Jahan Dotson
38. Andrew Booth
No McBride (or any TE) in first 2 rounds.
Walker at 3, Penning at 6, Hamilton and Thibodeaux go 8th and 9th.
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Post-combine Athletic mock.
4. Evan Neal
10. Jermaine Johnson
35. Jahan Dotson
38. Andrew Booth
No McBride (or any TE) in first 2 rounds.
Walker at 3, Penning at 6, Hamilton and Thibodeaux go 8th and 9th.
I figured Jermaine Johnson would be more suited as a 3-4 OLB. Kid has an insane burst (1.55 in the 10-split).
I do like Neal and Dotson.
Passing on thibs bothers me
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I figured Jermaine Johnson would be more suited as a 3-4 OLB. Kid has an insane burst (1.55 in the 10-split).
I do like Neal and Dotson.
Passing on thibs bothers me
I'm fine passing up Thibs for Neal or Ekwonu. I prefer Thibodeaux, but not by much.
Penning in the top 10 is interesting. I thought about making him the 10th guy in my last big board. I don't know a ton about him other than he practiced way too hard at the Senior Bowl and Saleh got mad at him.
Like I mentioned in the thread with the Ryan Jensen rumors, we could use a jerk on our OL. Our OL was too nice last year. We could really use an edge.
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Post-combine Athletic mock.
4. Evan Neal
10. Jermaine Johnson
35. Jahan Dotson
38. Andrew Booth
No McBride (or any TE) in first 2 rounds.
Walker at 3, Penning at 6, Hamilton and Thibodeaux go 8th and 9th.
Is this Dane Brugler?
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Like I mentioned in the thread with the Ryan Jensen rumors, we could use a jerk on our OL. Our OL was too nice last year. We could really use an edge.
Bring back Feeney. Sign Jensen. Draft Penning. Break some kneecaps.
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Is this Dane Brugler?
Yes. Should have included a link.
https://theathletic.com/3169168/2022/03/08/dane-brugler-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-post-nfl-combine-buzz-puts-travon-walker-ahmad-gardner-and-trevor-penning-in-top-six/
You and him are the 2 main conductors of the Travon Walker bandwagon.
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I think only "bad' pick at 4 is Kyle Hamilton
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Post-combine Athletic mock.
4. Evan Neal
10. Jermaine Johnson
35. Jahan Dotson
38. Andrew Booth
No McBride (or any TE) in first 2 rounds.
Walker at 3, Penning at 6, Hamilton and Thibodeaux go 8th and 9th.
Please no.
I don't like Neal as a fit for our situation and JJ is being way too overhyped right now because of the senior bowl.
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Please no.
I don't like Neal as a fit for our situation and JJ is being way too overhyped right now because of the senior bowl.
Actually JJ showed really well at the combine too....but i still don't think he's a fit here.
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Actually JJ showed really well at the combine too....but i still don't think he's a fit here.
Jermaine clapped once on film and insanity put him on his hitlist
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Jermaine clapped once on film and insanity put him on his hitlist
haha
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33422215/nfl-mock-draft-2022-todd-mcshay-predictions-all-32-first-round-picks-following-combine-workouts-russell-wilson-trade
4. Evan Neal
10. Sauce Gardner
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33422215/nfl-mock-draft-2022-todd-mcshay-predictions-all-32-first-round-picks-following-combine-workouts-russell-wilson-trade
4. Evan Neal
10. Sauce Gardner
I would hate the Neal pick. It seems lazy and doesn't make much sense.
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I would hate the Neal pick. It seems lazy and doesn't make much sense.
you would hate a 10 year anchor on the oline protecting our franchise QB? interesting strategy.
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I would hate the Neal pick. It seems lazy and doesn't make much sense.
you would hate a 10 year anchor on the oline protecting our franchise QB? interesting strategy.
He's a safe*, boring pick and likely there would be more impactful options available at 4. That's what people don't like about it.
*I know, there is no such thing as a safe draft pick
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you would hate a 10 year anchor on the oline protecting our franchise QB? interesting strategy.
It only makes sense if we've lost all trust in Mekhi Becton.
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Travon Walker, if available at 4, is the safest pick the Jets can make.
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It only makes sense if we've lost all trust in Mekhi Becton.
Well..Becton is already competing for his position in TC. So it might not be as far-fetched.
I hope Becton prevails.
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I would hate the Neal pick. It seems lazy and doesn't make much sense.
The only way that makes sense is to either trade Fant or Becton. I was chatting with a real life buddy of mine and he asked “if you were guaranteed Ekwonu and the Bengals offered 31 for Fant, would you make that trade”
Very interesting question
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Well..Becton is already competing for his position in TC.
He's competing for the left tackle spot against a good veteran tackle. The loser of that position battle goes to RT.
Drafting another tackle basically means that Becton is done in New York.
If we take Neal at 4, I think Becton gets dealt during the draft.
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It only makes sense if we've lost all trust in Mekhi Becton.
Or if we have no intention of extending Fant.
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“if you were guaranteed Ekwonu and the Bengals offered 31 for Fant, would you make that trade”
I wouldn't think twice about that. A first rounder for a guy with one year left on his deal?
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He's competing for the left tackle spot against a good veteran tackle. The loser of that position battle goes to RT.
Drafting another tackle basically means that Becton is done in New York.
If we take Neal at 4, I think Becton gets dealt during the draft.
this raises an interesting scenario. What kind of compensation do you think we could get back for Becton?
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I wouldn't think twice about that. A first rounder for a guy with one year left on his deal?
I wouldn’t either, but I still think I’d be targeting edge at 4 and a Charles Cross at 10 barring an unexpected Neal/Icky slide
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this raises an interesting scenario. What kind of compensation do you think we could get back for Becton?
Most likely far less than we would want I would bet Fants value might well be higher today because of the negativity around Becton and the injury year he just had.
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this raises an interesting scenario. What kind of compensation do you think we could get back for Becton?
Probably similar to the Darnold trade, but a little worse. Maybe a 3rd and a future 4th that becomes a 3rd with met incentives.
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Most likely far less than we would want I would bet Fants value might well be higher today because of the negativity around Becton and the injury year he just had.
Probably similar to the Darnold trade, but a little worse. Maybe a 3rd and a future 4th that becomes a 3rd with met incentives.
Apparently Becton is currently working his derriere off to get in shape. Maybe JD could sell that, work his magic, and turn into a conditional 3rd that could become a 2nd with playing time thresholds.
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Becton and Mims for Metcalf, make it happen JD
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Apparently Becton is currently working his derriere off to get in shape. Maybe JD could sell that, work his magic, and turn into a conditional 3rd that could become a 2nd with playing time thresholds.
He was in fantastic shape to start last season too. The injury wasn't because of his weight, just super fluky and unlucky.
He has the ability to be an All-Pro. If he comes back, it's one less hole for us to fill.
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you would hate a 10 year anchor on the oline protecting our franchise QB? interesting strategy.
In my eyes, Neal is only a tackle. I’m not ready to completely throw in the towel on Becton, and it doesn’t seem smart to trade away Fant who has been the most consistent offensive player the past 2 years.
Neal isn’t a great fit here. There’s an argument for Ekwonu since he’d be a better fit a guard (but I’m still not convinced that taking a guard at 4 is a great idea).
The offensive line isn’t that bad. It needs a RG. Sign a solid backup tackle in case Becton gets hurt again and it should be fine.
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Trade out of 4 and stack picks.
/easy answer
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Trade out of 4 and stack picks.
/easy answer
I agree (if the board isn't right for us) but easier said than done as always.
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With both Denver and Washington nabbing quarterbacks I doubt there is any team that wants to trade up into the top 10 now to get a qb.
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With both Denver and Washington nabbing quarterbacks I doubt there is any team that wants to trade up into the top 10 now to get a qb.
Pittsburgh says hai
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https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-steelers-nab-kenny-pickett-travon-walker- (https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-steelers-nab-kenny-pickett-travon-walker-)
Pass on Hutch and Thibs to take Hamilton. Zierlein is the worst.
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Pittsburgh says hai
I don't see them moving up 10+ spots.
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I don't see them moving up 10+ spots.
why?
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The appeal of the 10th pick in a trade down was that Washington might want a QB at 11.
Maybe someone wants to move up to 4 to get ahead of the Giants (5) and Panthers (6). The Seahawks are at 9, but moving up to 4 is overkill.
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The appeal of the 10th pick in a trade down was that Washington might want a QB at 11.
They still might
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https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-steelers-nab-kenny-pickett-travon-walker- (https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-steelers-nab-kenny-pickett-travon-walker-)
Pass on Hutch and Thibs to take Hamilton. Zierlein is the worst.
I'd be a Bengals fan before Hamilton left the stage.
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The appeal of the 10th pick in a trade down was that Washington might want a QB at 11.
Maybe someone wants to move up to 4 to get ahead of the Giants (5) and Panthers (6). The Seahawks are at 9, but moving up to 4 is overkill.
This
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Apparently Becton is currently working his derriere off to get in shape. Maybe JD could sell that, work his magic, and turn into a conditional 3rd that could become a 2nd with playing time thresholds.
If that is his actual value in a trade, we are much better off betting on Becton to get it right IMO. If Philly wanted to give us 19 for him, that's a whole different scenario. But if we can maybe get a conditional 2, trust in the big man to get it right and hope he builds on a great year 1.
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I don’t get why some are ready to trade a 3rd for Becton. That’s just crazy. He had a solid rookie year, albeit with a couple of injuries, and then had a teammate fall on his his leg while blocking this year. It’s not like he’s been garbage while playing AND he can’t stay healthy.
Give him until after year 3 before we’re ready to throw in the towel on someone who we all thought was a building block on the offense 12 months ago.
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I don’t get why some are ready to trade a 3rd for Becton.
Who is?
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Idiotic to talk about trading Becton. He isn't Denzel Mims.
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Idiotic to talk about trading Becton. He isn't Denzel Mims.
He might eat Denzel Mims
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I don’t get why some are ready to trade a 3rd for Becton.
Wat?!?!
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Didn’t MB just mention trading Becton for a 3rd or conditional 2nd? “Some people” might be an exaggeration.
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The appeal of the 10th pick in a trade down was that Washington might want a QB at 11.
Maybe someone wants to move up to 4 to get ahead of the Giants (5) and Panthers (6). The Seahawks are at 9, but moving up to 4 is overkill.
The key has always been convincing people the giants secretly want QB1. I also am curious to see how long teams can hold their water. In a (very poor) 2 qb class, where one guys ceiling maybe a poor man’s Kirk Cousins and the other guys ceiling is high, but his floor is barely a backup QB, no one wants either guy THAT badly, but about 6-10 teams still need a QB and we are running out of veteran stop gaps.
Trubisky
Winston
Garrapollo
Cousins
Did I miss any other “reasonable” option? Somebody isn’t getting a guy and will “need” the young guy. I’d also posit even if Cousins doesn’t get shitcanned, the Vikings are a dark horse trade up for a QB candidate. I could see them desperate to get out of the dregs of the NFCN where they’ve been with cousins and trading up to go grab Malik Willis and take a risk on his upside.
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Didn’t MB just mention trading Becton for a 3rd or conditional 2nd? “Some people” might be an exaggeration.
it was all hypothetical
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https://jetswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-nfl-draft-new-york-jets-kayvon-thibodeaux-ahmad-gardner-draft-wire-mock/
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How do we feel about going EDGE/CB with our first two picks and then trading back into the 1st for a receiver? Have to believe one of the top guys is going to slip into the 20s.
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How do we feel about going EDGE/CB with our first two picks and then trading back into the 1st for a receiver? Have to believe one of the top guys is going to slip into the 20s.
For the right guy? Certainly. Especially if we can get some assets back in an earlier trade down.
We just need to get this damn off-season right
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For the right guy? Certainly. Especially if we can get some assets back in an earlier trade down.
We just need to get this damn off-season right
Thibodeaux, Stingley, and London might be my dream haul.
We've got the resources to make that happen.
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No way gardner makes it to 10
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I don't like two defensive players in the first round.
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I don't like two defensive players in the first round.
Even if we trade back into the first for a receiver/offensive linemen?
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Can live with it if the players involved are
Hutch, Thibs, Walker
Gardner, Stingley, Hamilton
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Can live with it if the players involved are
Hutch, Thibs, Walker
Gardner, Stingley, Hamilton
Same. The moves we make in free agency will affect what we're comfortable with in the draft.
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Free agency starts in a few days, so at this point, we can wait to make a positional game plan.
It does seem like mid-late round 1 is where a WR run may happen. But I also think we will be able to get someone good at 35 if we are patient. Douglas can see how the board is falling come draft day. Last year, he let Elijah fall into his lap.
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Even if we trade back into the first for a receiver/offensive linemen?
Not particularly. I'd rather use either 4, or 10, probably 10, on one of the top WRs.
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Not particularly. I'd rather use either 4, or 10, probably 10, on one of the top WRs.
None of the receivers are worth 4. 10 is fine.
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None of the receivers are worth 4. 10 is fine.
Which is why I specified.
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I have this fear that Thibs drops to us...grab him and he turns out to be Gholston 2.0
PTSD from being a Jets fan
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I'm guessing 4 is now automatically BPA on defense. Thibs, Hutch, Sauce, Stingley, Hamilton or Walker.
Don't love the idea of Hamilton obviously. Less keen on Walker at the moment than some here just due to a lack of overall passrush production. Stingley's injuries concern me.
If thibs or hutch aren't there, I'd hope for a trade back.
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I'm guessing 4 is now automatically BPA on defense. Thibs, Hutch, Sauce, Stingley, Hamilton or Walker.
Don't love the idea of Hamilton obviously. Less keen on Walker at the moment than some here just due to a lack of overall passrush production. Stingley's injuries concern me.
If thibs or hutch aren't there, I'd hope for a trade back.
Why would anyone be moving up in that case?
I can’t see a realistic scenario (unless someone loses their mind for a QB) where 4 isn’t a stick and pick. To me there are 2 real options that will reasonably be available:
Travon Walker
Sauce Gardner
I don’t think either will realistically still be on the board at 10 so to me you take the guy with the chance to have more impact on the game, Walker.
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Why would anyone be moving up in that case?
I can’t see a realistic scenario (unless someone loses their mind for a QB) where 4 isn’t a stick and pick. To me there are 2 real options that will reasonably be available:
Travon Walker
Sauce Gardner
I don’t think either will realistically still be on the board at 10 so to me you take the guy with the chance to have more impact on the game, Walker.
Has Walker really proven to be that impact player yet? From what I’ve seen, he’s flashed and been a good player, but I don’t really think he’s been that impact passrusher that we are hoping for with the 4th overall pick. Seems like a lot of projection there, which is fine, but not sure I’m thrilled with that at #4.
I think I’d prefer one of the CBs.
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Has Walker really proven to be that impact player yet? From what I’ve seen, he’s flashed and been a good player, but I don’t really think he’s been that impact passrusher that we are hoping for with the 4th overall pick. Seems like a lot of projection there, which is fine, but not sure I’m thrilled with that at #4.
I think I’d prefer one of the CBs.
See I think that you could potentially get CB 1 at 10, but more likely you will have your choice between McDuffie and Stingley at 10. At edge, you are at best looking at edge 4, and possibly edge 5 or 6. Which is why I would take Walker at 4 and hope like hell Sauce falls to 10.
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Has Walker really proven to be that impact player yet? From what I’ve seen, he’s flashed and been a good player, but I don’t really think he’s been that impact passrusher that we are hoping for with the 4th overall pick. Seems like a lot of projection there, which is fine, but not sure I’m thrilled with that at #4.
I think I’d prefer one of the CBs.
I want an edge ideally for the positional value, but I feel this message board hypes up Walker more than any other place I've seen. There are a couple people that have Walker top 5, but that's certainly not the consensus.
I'm not sold on him as an edge rusher at all, but I am sold on him as an elite run defender, and with his athleticism, he has the impact to do more. I do worry that we're drafting another very good DL who isn't a difference maker if we draft him, but his athleticism gives him some more upside.
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I still don't think it's crazy for us to draft Ekwonu at 4 if he falls and then trade Becton. There was a lot of negative smoke around the organization, from him struggling in camp, to him not getting healthy on time, to several different people saying the Jets weren't happy with Becton. If we can get a top-40 pick for Becton, maybe we take Ekwonu, stick him at RT, and then use that top-40 pick to address another need.
Best case scenario is Becton is a star at OT, and I love his potential, but I think there's a drop-off after the top 4 guys for me (Hutch, Thibs, Neal, Icky). We need to get another offensive tackle just to provide insurance for Becton. Maybe the move is just move on from Becton entirely. I wouldn't love it, but it wouldn't shock me.
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Travon Walker is a better prospect than Evan Neal
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Has Walker really proven to be that impact player yet? From what I’ve seen, he’s flashed and been a good player, but I don’t really think he’s been that impact passrusher that we are hoping for with the 4th overall pick. Seems like a lot of projection there, which is fine, but not sure I’m thrilled with that at #4.
I think I’d prefer one of the CBs.
Stop looking at him as a pass rusher and look at him as a defensive front player.
We are ridiculously slow laterally on defense. Walker makes an immediate impact as a sideline-to-sideline front player and a run defender. He has enough physical ability to generate 6-8 sacks yearly.
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Stop looking at him as a pass rusher and look at him as a defensive front player.
We are ridiculously slow laterally on defense. Walker makes an immediate impact as a sideline-to-sideline front player and a run defender. He has enough physical ability to generate 6-8 sacks yearly.
Today.
As he develops, with his traits and measurable, work ethic etc. the sky is the limit.
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Stop looking at him as a pass rusher and look at him as a defensive front player.
We are ridiculously slow laterally on defense. Walker makes an immediate impact as a sideline-to-sideline front player and a run defender. He has enough physical ability to generate 6-8 sacks yearly.
That may be true but this is the 4th overall pick. When was the last time a player that was this much of a prospect picked top 5? Better yet when did that player become successful?
If you want to take him at 10, go for your life, but I want a player at 4 who has a high floor and I know can contribute. I dont want a raw prospect who might only have 6-8 sacks a year
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That may be true but this is the 4th overall pick. When was the last time a player that was this much of a prospect picked top 5? Better yet when did that player become successful?
If you want to take him at 10, go for your life, but I want a player at 4 who has a high floor and I know can contribute. I dont want a raw prospect who might only have 6-8 sacks a year
He's an elite defensive lineman. He's not a prospect. He has pass rushing potential. He's not an edge rusher like Thibs or Hutchinson. He is the best run defending defensive lineman in the draft, easily.
The term EDGE is screwing people up. He is a defensive end that can play defensive tackle in a pinch.
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He's an elite defensive lineman. He's not a prospect. He has pass rushing potential. He's not an edge rusher like Thibs or Hutchinson. He is the best run defending defensive lineman in the draft, easily.
The term EDGE is screwing people up. He is a defensive end that can play defensive tackle in a pinch.
Picking a run stuffer top 10 is a waste, especially for this organization who has been able to find diamonds in the rough across coaching staffs and front offices.
As a pass rusher Walker is unbelievably raw. He is a prospect. We need a pass rusher who has proven he can get to the qb. Again if you want to take him at 10 as a project that's fine, but I'd be much more comfortable with Sauce at 4 who has shown elite success at the position you are drafting him to play
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Picking a run stuffer top 10 is a waste, especially for this organization who has been able to find diamonds in the rough across coaching staffs and front offices.
As a pass rusher Walker is unbelievably raw. He is a prospect. We need a pass rusher who has proven he can get to the qb. Again if you want to take him at 10 as a project that's fine, but I'd be much more comfortable with Sauce at 4 who has shown elite success at the position you are drafting him to play
Why do you keep calling him a pass rusher?
Calling him a "run stuffer" is a bit of a reach too. He's not a nose tackle. He runs better than most linebackers.
If you look at the DL that had success with Saleh, they are similar to Walker. I'm not talking about Nick Bosa. We don't have a shot at a player like that. I'm talking about Armstead and Buckner: dominant anchor types that can push the pocket.
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Why do you keep calling him a pass rusher?
Uh.......
Walker is a pass rusher
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Uh.......
Not in the way that insanity seems to think.
He wants an elite pass rusher on the edge. We all do. We are likely out of position for that.
Walker can rush the passer, but not in the way that you'd see from Hutchinson or Thibodeaux or even Jermaine Johnson.
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If we are serious about taking the best player available at #4, it's Walker if Thibs and Hutchinson are off the board.
Sauce Gardner would be fine too, but Walker can impact every play. Gardner can be schemed around.
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If we are serious about taking the best player available at #4, it's Walker if Thibs and Hutchinson are off the board.
Sauce Gardner would be fine too, but Walker can impact every play. Gardner can be schemed around.
This is why I expect Walker to be the guy. I also wouldn’t be shocked to see him go over Thibs if a team (such as us) isn’t comfortable with how he interviewed
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This is why I expect Walker to be the guy. I also wouldn’t be shocked to see him go over Thibs if a team (such as us) isn’t comfortable with how he interviewed
It's certainly possible that Houston could take Walker at #3.
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Uh.......
lmao
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If we are serious about taking the best player available at #4, it's Walker if Thibs and Hutchinson are off the board.
Sauce Gardner would be fine too, but Walker can impact every play. Gardner can be schemed around.
However you want to order them, they're my top 4 guys after the Tomlinson signing.
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However you want to order them, they're my top 4 guys after the Tomlinson signing.
They should be everyone's top four players unless we make a big trade for a pass rusher or a corner.
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They should be everyone's top four players unless we make a big trade for a pass rusher or a corner.
I'll wait for Will Parkinson's list....thanks.
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If we draft Walker... is EDGE still a need?
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If we draft Walker... is EDGE still a need?
According to H he plays every position on defense while also playing no position so... who the freak knows
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According to H he plays every position on defense while also playing no position so... who the freak knows
According to the many-worlds interpretation of scouting, Travon Walker does play every position on defense in some universe.
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If we draft Walker... is EDGE still a need?
Not if Lawson comes back strong
I wouldn’t be opposed to drafting one in the mid-rounds though.
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According to the many-worlds interpretation of scouting, Travon Walker does play every position on defense in some universe.
Even gord?
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He is 6'5" 275 lbs and can run a 4.51. That can play anywhere. Put him at tight end.
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He is 6'5" 275 lbs and can run a 4.51. That can play anywhere. Put him at tight end.
Burks is 6'2" 225 and ran a 4.55...put Walker at WR
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He is 6'5" 275 lbs and can run a 4.51. That can play anywhere. Put him at tight end.
But he can't pass rush because Georgia didn't use him that way
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Burks is 6'2" 225 and ran a 4.55...put Walker at WR
I like Burks but you can't tell me that his 40 time isn't a mild disappointment.
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I like Burks but you can't tell me that his 40 time isn't a mild disappointment.
It's a huge disappointment his best trait was that he was an athletic freak. He isnt.
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It's a huge disappointment his best trait was that he was an athletic freak. He isnt.
His best trait is his after the catch ability
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His best trait is his piercing eyes
FTFY
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FTFY
Also correct
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It's a huge disappointment his best trait was that he was an athletic freak. He isnt.
Idk, I think anyone who watched him play knew he wasn’t DK level of freak. A 4.5 forty is still good for a 225 WR… but I think the freak labels were probably overblown just based off of his tape alone (not a knock, still a big fan of his tape and would be happy with him at 10)
Edit: wasn’t**
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I like Burks but you can't tell me that his 40 time isn't a mild disappointment.
does he look like he runs 4.5 on film with pads on?
the answer is no
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The hall of fame is littered with WRs who couldn't run under 4.5 40 times.
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does he look like he runs 4.5 on film with pads on?
the answer is no
lol
Its not just the 40.
His vertical, his bench, his broad jump, his 3 cone.
Man, he even measured in short.
The guy is not a good route runner and was being elevated because of his potential as an elite athlete. He's not an elite athlete so why in the world are you taking him at 10? London and Wilson are definitely better prospects.
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Here's my post FA mock with a trade:
I traded back with Cle...10 and 69 for 13 and 44
4.Kayvon Thibodeaux EDGE Oregon
13. Drake London WR USC
35. DeMarvin Leal DT Texas A&M
38. Greg Dulcich TE UCLA
44. Quay Walker LB Georgia
111. Cole Strange OG Chattanooga
117. Mario Goodrich CB Clemson
146. Kyren Williams RB Notre Dame
163. Amare Barno EDGE Virginia Tech
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Honestly think RB is one of the bigger needs on offense after WR. We could obviously use another TE and a backup G/T, but I think someone to share the load with MC and pass protect on 3rd down is more pressing. I don’t really want Coleman getting more than 5 touches per game
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If we draft Walker... is EDGE still a need?
I like Walker as an overall talent, but I don’t like Walker for what the Jets need. Jermaine Johnson is a superior player as a pure edge guy because he has legit pass rush moves and knows how to use his athleticism better than Travon does. Walker’s passrush is all just strength/speed right now, and while he would add great physical talent to the line, I don’t know if he does anything that we’re in desperate need of.
I’d personally bulk Travon up more and use him like JFM or Justin Tuck as an inside/outside guy.
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I’d personally bulk Travon up more and use him like JFM or Justin Tuck as an inside/outside guy.
At this point, that's why I prefer him for our front. I wouldn't take him over a true edge like Thibs or Hutchinson, but I think we're just out of range for both of those guys.
I'm not looking at Travon Walker as a pass rushing EDGE. He's a defensive end that can kick inside in a pinch and give our front some juice.
We need some run fit monsters up front to help Quinnen. Lawson, if he comes back, is likely to get bullied sometimes in the run game. The same goes for Bryce Huff when he's out there. JFM inside might solve some issues, but then you are weak again on the edge. Rankins is strictly a pass rushing interior player.
Our linebackers are dead in the water if we can't get our interior defensive line upgraded.
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Honestly think RB is one of the bigger needs on offense after WR. We could obviously use another TE and a backup G/T, but I think someone to share the load with MC and pass protect on 3rd down is more pressing. I don’t really want Coleman getting more than 5 touches per game
100% agree
I think it's an undervalued position and that could work in our favor. Any of the top five RBs in this class would be a nice addition to our offense, but I'm hoping for Breece Hall.
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Walker stood out to me almost immediately when Georgia kicked Clemson's derriere, but the Auburn game is a good one of his to watch.
He's being used as a contain player and not a pass rusher. He also played some linebacker against them and Kentucky, which is cool to see UGA use his athleticism that way. Dropping into coverage is something he can do if we want to go multiple up front.
Georgia was so big up front and so fast at linebacker that Walker was basically being used as a game wrecking edge setter. He's rarely just trying to get back there. He's reading run first. It worked for Kirby Smart, so I'm not knocking the scheme at all but it clearly limited Walker against the pass.
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Has anyone seen a mock draft that actually mocks Walker to the Jets?
It seems like this little board is driving the Walker to the Jets bandwagon, and I don't think I've seen anyone else have Walker at 4. Granted, I've had other distractions recently, and the Tomlinson signing affects our pick, but I rarely see him mocked at 4.
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Has anyone seen a mock draft that actually mocks Walker to the Jets?
It seems like this little board is driving the Walker to the Jets bandwagon, and I don't think I've seen anyone else have Walker at 4. Granted, I've had other distractions recently, and the Tomlinson signing affects our pick, but I rarely see him mocked at 4.
I've seen a few where he goes to Houston at 3.
Most mocks have us taking Ekwonu or Thibodeaux.
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I've seen a few where he goes to Houston at 3.
Most mocks have us taking Ekwonu or Thibodeaux.
Same. I've seen 3. Never 4.
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At this point, that's why I prefer him for our front. I wouldn't take him over a true edge like Thibs or Hutchinson, but I think we're just out of range for both of those guys.
I'm not looking at Travon Walker as a pass rushing EDGE. He's a defensive end that can kick inside in a pinch and give our front some juice.
We need some run fit monsters up front to help Quinnen. Lawson, if he comes back, is likely to get bullied sometimes in the run game. The same goes for Bryce Huff when he's out there. JFM inside might solve some issues, but then you are weak again on the edge. Rankins is strictly a pass rushing interior player.
Our linebackers are dead in the water if we can't get our interior defensive line upgraded.
Which is why I’d say we disagree on him being picked 4. A guy to be versatile inside/outside or play a more conservative game at edge could be found later, while a guy with pedigree as a pass rushing edge usually has to be a priority. Right now I know we have guys who can play on the interior, but I really don’t know if we have a legit outside passrusher.
I personally value Jermaine Johnson higher than others, and to me he fits well because he is well rounded. But obviously a KT or Hutch would and should be automatic for any fan.
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Which is why I’d say we disagree on him being picked 4. A guy to be versatile inside/outside or play a more conservative game at edge could be found later, while a guy with pedigree as a pass rushing edge usually has to be a priority. Right now I know we have guys who can play on the interior, but I really don’t know if we have a legit outside passrusher.
I personally value Jermaine Johnson higher than others, and to me he fits well because he is well rounded. But obviously a KT or Hutch would and should be automatic for any fan.
What do you think the odds of JJ falling to 10 are?
Nice to see you posting btw.
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What do you think the odds of JJ falling to 10 are?
Nice to see you posting btw.
Thanks, credit to you guys for keeping it going.
For JJ, to me, it really depends on how people prioritize their edges. It’s more rare than one would think that a third edge guy gets picked in the top ten, and usually that takes some shocker pick like a Clelin Ferrill.
If it goes Hutch, OL, KT top 3, then we take Sauce, it’s possible that the 5 before us go Willis, OL (other of IK/Neal), a WR, Hamilton, Walker or something like that and JJ is there.
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Which is why I’d say we disagree on him being picked 4. A guy to be versatile inside/outside or play a more conservative game at edge could be found later, while a guy with pedigree as a pass rushing edge usually has to be a priority. Right now I know we have guys who can play on the interior, but I really don’t know if we have a legit outside passrusher.
I personally value Jermaine Johnson higher than others, and to me he fits well because he is well rounded. But obviously a KT or Hutch would and should be automatic for any fan.
I doubted Jackson because I didn't watch much FSU and he kind of blew up st the Senior Bowl and combine. But I watched a bunch of him last night and he was impressive.
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I doubted Jackson because I didn't watch much FSU and he kind of blew up st the Senior Bowl and combine. But I watched a bunch of him last night and he was impressive.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dd6kKhdd0Fw/maxresdefault.jpg)
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dd6kKhdd0Fw/maxresdefault.jpg)
At least it's not just me.
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PFF has Travon Walker going #3 to Houston.
Jets take Icky Ekwonu at #4 and Jermaine Johnson at #10.
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PFF has Travon Walker going #3 to Houston.
Jets take Icky Ekwonu at #4 and Jermaine Johnson at #10.
I really like Ekwonu as a prospect, but I don't see how you can possibly take him and keep Becton. I think that scenario is going to be a talking point for the next month or so.
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PFF has Travon Walker going #3 to Houston.
Jets take Icky Ekwonu at #4 and Jermaine Johnson at #10.
I really like Ekwonu as a prospect, but I don't see how you can possibly take him and keep Becton. I think that scenario is going to be a talking point for the next month or so.
At this point I'm just hoping some combination of Hutch (impossible he falls past 2), an OL, and either Hamilton or Walker go top 3.
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If Hutch falls to 2 I wouldn't mind if JD traded a few picks to move up to 2
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If Hutch falls to 2 I wouldn't mind if JD traded a few picks to move up to 2
Dan Campbell would bite him if he tried
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Dan Campbell would bite him if he tried
(https://c.tenor.com/QDUsYL7y_FcAAAAC/rafi-bite.gif)
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I really like Ekwonu as a prospect, but I don't see how you can possibly take him and keep Becton. I think that scenario is going to be a talking point for the next month or so.
Why not? Just let Fant walk after 2022
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Why not? Just let Fant walk after 2022
Taking an OL that may be better inside #4 overall and sitting him for a year doesn't help this team in 2022.
Douglas would have to get immediate impact from #10, #35, and #38 to justify taking a player that isn't a guaranteed starting this season.
I'm not sure he's ready to give up on Becton yet either.
If we take Ekwonu, either Fant or Becton is getting traded on draft weekend.
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Taking an OL that may be better inside #4 overall and sitting him for a year doesn't help this team in 2022.
Douglas would have to get immediate impact from #10, #35, and #38 to justify taking a player that isn't a guaranteed starting this season.
I'm not sure he's ready to give up on Becton yet either.
If we take Ekwonu, either Fant or Becton is getting traded on draft weekend.
Once we got Tomlinson, I think OL went out the door in round 1.
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Taking an OL that may be better inside #4 overall and sitting him for a year doesn't help this team in 2022.
Douglas would have to get immediate impact from #10, #35, and #38 to justify taking a player that isn't a guaranteed starting this season.
I'm not sure he's ready to give up on Becton yet either.
If we take Ekwonu, either Fant or Becton is getting traded on draft weekend.
Agreed. Taking IK at this point would only make sense if one of those guys is gone. Drafting him to basically sit as insurance for a year would be crazy when we have so many positions where we could use active talent upgrades.
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Once we got Tomlinson, I think OL went out the door in round 1.
I’d wager the only guy we’d take in the top 40 as an OL is Zion Johnson, because of his positional versatility and potential to develop into a C. But in reality I’d expect us to draft a backup C with development potential later this year
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Taking an OL that may be better inside #4 overall and sitting him for a year doesn't help this team in 2022.
Douglas would have to get immediate impact from #10, #35, and #38 to justify taking a player that isn't a guaranteed starting this season.
I'm not sure he's ready to give up on Becton yet either.
If we take Ekwonu, either Fant or Becton is getting traded on draft weekend.
I don't think it's the most logical thing to do by any stretch, but it's definitely one possibility if we go strictly BPA. If we can't get much for Fant/Becton by trading them during the draft, we could be better off keeping everyone considering the possibility of injuries.
This also goes on the assumption that if we take Ekwonu the FO would think he's likely to beat out one of Fant/Becton if we were to keep all of them, though.
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It all depends on just how good a prospect they think Neal/Ewkwonu is, how down they are on Becton, and how much Becton is worth on the trade market.
Drafting Ekwonu or Neal makes no sense with our current roster construction if they don't make a move. You're wasting a valuable asset somewhere or another.
Has they signed a center instead of a guard, then sure, take Ekwonu and either move on from McGovern or keep him as expensive depth/competition. But we can't play 5 out of Ekwonu, Fant, Becton, AVT and Tomlinson.
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(https://i.imgur.com/61kz6Hc.png)
Would.
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^ I give it a solid 4.5 honks......I'm a big Christian Watson stan, i think that dude is alot better than people think.
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Not quite as sure about the offensive tackle depth in this draft, but I'm hoping we get one on Day 2.
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^ I like it, although I think RB is more of a hole than people think. As the roster stands now, I think it needs to be addressed within the first few rounds of the draft.
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Late night mock. Wish I got an OT earlier, but I still love it.
4. Kayvon Thibodeaux
EDGE Oregon
10. Kyle Hamilton
S Notre Dame
35. Treylon Burks
WR Arkansas
38. Kaiir Elam
CB Florida
69. Isaiah Spiller
RB Texas A&M
111. Erik Ezukanma
WR Texas Tech
117. Braxton Jones
OT Southern Utah
146. Jelani Woods
TE Virginia
163. JoJo Domann
LB Nebraska
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Late night mock. Wish I got an OT earlier, but I still love it.
4. Kayvon Thibodeaux
EDGE Oregon
10. Kyle Hamilton
S Notre Dame
35. Treylon Burks
WR Arkansas
38. Kaiir Elam
CB Florida
69. Isaiah Spiller
RB Texas A&M
111. Erik Ezukanma
WR Texas Tech
117. Braxton Jones
OT Southern Utah
146. Jelani Woods
TE Virginia
163. JoJo Domann
LB Nebraska
Can't complain with that haul.
Once we grabbed our 2 TE FAs I became a lot more open to drafting Woods as a project.
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Kiper's new mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33561330/nfl-mock-draft-2022-mel-kiper-new-predictions-all-32-first-round-picks-filling-team-needs-free-agency
4. Drake London
10 Sauce Gardner
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Kiper's new mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33561330/nfl-mock-draft-2022-mel-kiper-new-predictions-all-32-first-round-picks-filling-team-needs-free-agency
4. Drake London
10 Sauce Gardner
The funny thing is in reverse that would be pretty reasonable but the way he chose to do it is just silly.
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Late night mock. Wish I got an OT earlier, but I still love it.
4. Kayvon Thibodeaux
EDGE Oregon
10. Kyle Hamilton
S Notre Dame
35. Treylon Burks
WR Arkansas
38. Kaiir Elam
CB Florida
69. Isaiah Spiller
RB Texas A&M
111. Erik Ezukanma
WR Texas Tech
117. Braxton Jones
OT Southern Utah
146. Jelani Woods
TE Virginia
163. JoJo Domann
LB Nebraska
If we get Burks at 35 I would not complain about a safety in the top 10.
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If we get Burks at 35 I would not complain about a safety in the top 10.
You still wouldn't take him at 10? That seems a bit extreme.
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Had to kill some time...so i did a 7 rounder with a trade. Traded down from 4 to 8 w/ the Falcons...picking up their 2nd rounder (#43) in the deal.
8. Ahmad Gardner CB Cincinnati
10. Travon Walker EDGE Georgia
35. Breece Hall RB Iowa State
38. Christian Watson WR North Dakota State
43. Jaquan Brisker S Penn State
69. Greg Dulcich TE UCLA
111. Darrian Beavers LB Cincinnati
117. Rasheed Walker OT Penn State
146. Charleston Rambo WR Miami-Fl
163. Tyreke Smith EDGE Ohio State
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I love Breece Hall and I wasn't a fan of the RB at 35 until I saw Brisker a few picks later..
That additional second made a big difference.
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-mock-draft-2022-post-free-agency
Another Thib/Wilson, sign me up.
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Jeremiah's latest
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2022-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-packers-nab-2-receivers-in-round-1-after
The big 3 edges go first, we take Sauce at 4. Wilson goes before our next pick and we take London over Burks at 10.
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He overrates the hell of out some guys, especially Arnold Ebiketie
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I'd be pretty dejected if the first three picks were edge rushers, but I agree that Sauce should be our pick in that scenario.
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No Malik Willis in that mock is surprising.
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I'd be pretty dejected if the first three picks were edge rushers, but I agree that Sauce should be our pick in that scenario.
He'd be a hell of a consolation prize.
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-mock-draft-2022-post-free-agency
Another Thib/Wilson, sign me up.
This is my dream scenario and its not really close.
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-mock-draft-2022-post-free-agency
Another Thib/Wilson, sign me up.
i think i am currently here
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MJD's mock
https://www.nfl.com/news/maurice-jones-drew-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-kenny-pickett-malik-willis-go-in-?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cfb
Hamilton/Gardner
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Travon Walker at 1. Wow.
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Travon Walker is the best defensive lineman in this draft. Hutchinson, Thibodeaux, and Johnson are better pass rushers right now.
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Walker-Hutch-Thibs, in whatever order, is probably my worst case scenario.
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Walker-Hutch-Thibs, in whatever order, is probably my worst case scenario.
Agreed. Just leave us 1 damnit.
If that happens, then if we stick I think the pick has to be Sauce. But I imagine JD works the phones like crazy trying to get someone to come up for OT1 or for QB1.
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Travon Walker is the best defensive lineman in this draft. Hutchinson, Thibodeaux, and Johnson are better pass rushers right now.
But what is he? Are you drafting him as an edge who doesn’t have the traits to be a great edge passrusher or as an interior player who you believe can add weight? I’ve always thought he was an interior guy/34 end all the way, but even then he needs work. His game was bully ball in college with his length and natural strength, but that doesn’t work in the league as your only weapon (as you saw when he went up against Evan Neal. It was technician vs a dude years away).
If we draft him over any of those other guys, it would be a mistake. And I like Walker, but there are certain situations that make way more sense than our own. The best comparison I can think of for him is a guy like Justin Tuck, but even he was an accomplished college passrusher before making his move to that hybrid, power and hustle inside/out role (and that adjustment took some time)
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But what is he? Are you drafting him as an edge who doesn’t have the traits to be a great edge passrusher or as an interior player who you believe can add weight? I’ve always thought he was an interior guy/34 end all the way, but even then he needs work. His game was bully ball in college with his length and natural strength, but that doesn’t work in the league as your only weapon (as you saw when he went up against Evan Neal. It was technician vs a dude years away).
If we draft him over any of those other guys, it would be a mistake. And I like Walker, but there are certain situations that make way more sense than our own. The best comparison I can think of for him is a guy like Justin Tuck, but even he was an accomplished college passrusher before making his move to that hybrid, power and hustle inside/out role (and that adjustment took some time)
How does Walker not have the traits to be a great pass rusher? He’s a freak athlete.
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Travon Walker vs. Evan Neal was a matchup of elite
They both got the best of each other several times.
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Travon Walker vs. Evan Neal was a matchup of elite
They both got the best of each other several times.
It was heavily slanted towards Neal. Walker had a couple plays where his strong arm pushed Neal back, but even of them, he really only had one true pocket disruption. The majority was Neal stone walling him while Walker tried to do what he always does: punch, use length, push guy back, hope QB runs by.
How does Walker not have the traits to be a great pass rusher? He’s a freak athlete.
Freak athletes don’t automatically make great pass rushers. He can run 4.5 and jump all day, but the man has the same repertoire of passrush moves as the Juggernaut. Honestly, his 10 yd split coming in at a solid 1.62, about halfway down the list of Edge guys, is just as telling as the 4.5, because for a fast guy, I’ve never once said “wow, how great off the snap!”
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It’s like 12 or 13 plays and I bet Walker is playing on most of them.
It was very evenly matched.
Walker gave Neal trouble. Neal nearly broke Walker’s wrist when he tried to long arm him.
It’s one of the better recent OL/DL matchups.
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From my perspective, it was what all Walker watchers should be used to: a strong dude who just doesn’t have the ability to capitalize on it.
For anyone that wants to watch and decide for themselves:
https://youtu.be/-sPCbt_BUio
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Seems to me like you have an issue with what he’s being asked to do in that scheme more than anything.
Smart doesn’t allow his linemen to do anything off script. They contain, set the edge, or stunt inside. They want to win with power.
Not really sure what kind of pressure anyone can expect against quick game and RPO, especially when the ends are reading run.
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I get the role he’s playing, but that’s what we have to evaluate. Absolutely, it’s hard to get pressure with strength on quick pass game, so why value a guy highly who can only do that? If he was totally dominant in that role, it’s one thing, but you can see how on his inside stunts that there lacks efficiency and how Neal flat controls him on a good number of snaps. I get that OL wins the majority of time, but he doesn’t have even one play where it’s like “oh man, there’s the #1 pick!”
It would basically be projecting a whole skillset that he’s never shown if you think he’s the #1 guy.
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Vote for the Jets pick at 10 in the Reddit draft community mock
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/tnihcc/with_the_tenth_pick_in_the_2022_rnfl_draft
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I get the role he’s playing, but that’s what we have to evaluate. Absolutely, it’s hard to get pressure with strength on quick pass game, so why value a guy highly who can only do that? If he was totally dominant in that role, it’s one thing, but you can see how on his inside stunts that there lacks efficiency and how Neal flat controls him on a good number of snaps. I get that OL wins the majority of time, but he doesn’t have even one play where it’s like “oh man, there’s the #1 pick!”
It would basically be projecting a whole skillset that he’s never shown if you think he’s the #1 guy.
This^
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Vote for the Jets pick at 10 in the Reddit draft community mock
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/tnihcc/with_the_tenth_pick_in_the_2022_rnfl_draft
I voted for Kodos.
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Which combo would you rather have:
Jermaine Johnson
Roger McCreary
OR
Sauce Gardner
Boye Mafe
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Which combo would you rather have:
Jermaine Johnson
Roger McCreary
OR
Sauce Gardner
Boye Mafe
One from column A & one from column B (JJ, Sauce)
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One from column A & one from column B (JJ, Sauce)
LOL, me too, but that won't be an option. Gotta take one of those pairs
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Which combo would you rather have:
Jermaine Johnson
Roger McCreary
OR
Sauce Gardner
Boye Mafe
No
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If he was totally dominant in that role
He's going up against an elite tackle and gives him trouble several times. No one tossed Neal around like Walker did.
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he doesn’t have even one play where it’s like “oh man, there’s the #1 pick!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GktbYwAV0oc
elite power and he shows it in every game, even against Neal
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There are plays against Kentucky and South Carolina where Walker is off the ball and across a guards face before the guards are even out of their stance.
He has elite power and his ability to move laterally is insane.
Using RPO and quick game against a defensive end when you're evaluating pass rush reps makes no sense.
He's as disruptive a player as anybody in this draft class. Just because he didn't have sack production doesn't mean he wasn't out there wrecking game plans.
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There are plays against Kentucky and South Carolina where Walker is off the ball and across a guards face before the guards are even out of their stance.
He has elite power and his ability to move laterally is insane.
Using RPO and quick game against a defensive end when you're evaluating pass rush reps makes no sense.
He's as disruptive a player as anybody in this draft class. Just because he didn't have sack production doesn't mean he wasn't out there wrecking game plans.
is he Aaron Donald 2.0?
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Is there a universe where Sauce @ 4 and Walker @ 10 is a possibility?
I'm warming up to two defensive players in the first so long as we don't get an injury problem/head case combo again.
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is he Aaron Donald 2.0?
The comp I have for him is Justin Smith.
There's a play against Michigan where he's lined up as a five tech and they double him with the T/G. He destroys both of them off the line.
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Is there a universe where Sauce @ 4 and Walker @ 10 is a possibility?
I don't think either of them make it out of the Top 7.
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Is there a universe where Sauce @ 4 and Walker @ 10 is a possibility?
I'm warming up to two defensive players in the first so long as we don't get an injury problem/head case combo again.
I don't think either of them make it out of the Top 7.
Yeah, I don't think Walker can fall past the Giants.
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I don't think either of them make it out of the Top 7.
Serious question….
At 4, both Walker and Sauce are on the board. You take one. Do you trade to 7 to get the other if it costs you 38?
Hell say it’s not for Walker if he isn’t your guy, but it’s Sauce and your preferred edge, Thibs, Johnson, Kaaftis whomever. If you can get both those players for 4,10 and either 35 or 38, are you up for that?
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There are plays against Kentucky and South Carolina where Walker is off the ball and across a guards face before the guards are even out of their stance.
He has elite power and his ability to move laterally is insane.
Using RPO and quick game against a defensive end when you're evaluating pass rush reps makes no sense.
He's as disruptive a player as anybody in this draft class. Just because he didn't have sack production doesn't mean he wasn't out there wrecking game plans.
Still waiting for any evidence of actual pass rush skills. Showing a play where he blows up a pulling guard is really cool, but you’re taking him #1 because of that? It’s silly talk. He played really well on a line with two other day 1-2 picks and has great athleticism, but if you’re taking him over Hutch, Thibs, and JJ, you’re hoping for something that’s never happened.
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At 4, both Walker and Sauce are on the board. You take one. Do you trade to 7 to get the other if it costs you 38?
100%
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is he Aaron Donald 2.0?
Is he the same as one of the best collegiate interior pass rushers in decades? Oh no.
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https://twitter.com/realcorykinnan/status/1461336815743426564?s=21&t=_6uCtVrWrokqZTKDmgQ6ng
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Still waiting for any evidence of actual pass rush skills. Showing a play where he blows up a pulling guard is really cool, but you’re taking him #1 because of that? It’s silly talk. He played really well on a line with two other day 1-2 picks and has great athleticism, but if you’re taking him over Hutch, Thibs, and JJ, you’re hoping for something that’s never happened.
The play where he cross body tosses a 350 pound elite tackle in Evan Neal is a pass rushing move.
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https://twitter.com/bigalfredosauce/status/1501561401776787457?s=21&t=U5XZPSLYwyTWuMDj01H23A
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https://twitter.com/mattalkire/status/1482389983545675784?s=21&t=siGJc2DNr5iVgFNwqdVghg
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Pass rush technique can be taught.
Walker has great hands, lateral quickness plus elite power.
JJ is two years older than him. He should be more polished.
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He wasn't asked to rush the passer. Georgia's true pass rushers the past two seasons were Olujari and then Anderson (who got arrested six or seven games into the 2021 season).
I see a lot of stuff out there about his sack totals. As a contain player and a DL that lined up at DE, DT, NT, and standup OLB, he had good production.
I'm not saying he is an elite pass rusher. He's far from it. He is an elite defensive end because of his traits and his ability to play every DL tech at a high level.
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100%
Part of me thinks it would be entertaining to trade Carolina 38 to get to 6 and essentially have traded Darnold for the top CB in the class
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I feel like we've drafted a lot of defensive linemen over the last decade or so with high picks because they'd got all sorts of elite traits, and they were just going to become pass rushing monsters when they got to the NFL.
Quinnen
Sheldon
Coples
Mo Wilk
And none of them really did, whether because the scheme didn't ask or allow them to or because they just didn't have it in them. I think we're well overdue drafting someone whose only purpose in life is to get off the edge and chase down the quarterback, instead of justifying to ourselves why all these other things they do so well are as important or why their other traits mean we can just teach them to be a pass rusher. I'm not saying you're wrong about Walker or that he can't learn to consistently get to the quarterback, I'd just like us to draft someone because they're already fantastic at it.
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I've started to believe that Walker won't even be on the board when we pick.
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I've started to believe that Walker won't even be on the board when we pick.
He shouldn't be
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I feel like we've drafted a lot of defensive linemen over the last decade or so with high picks because they'd got all sorts of elite traits, and they were just going to become pass rushing monsters when they got to the NFL.
Quinnen
Sheldon
Coples
Mo Wilk
And none of them really did, whether because the scheme didn't ask or allow them to or because they just didn't have it in them. I think we're well overdue drafting someone whose only purpose in life is to get off the edge and chase down the quarterback, instead of justifying to ourselves why all these other things they do so well are as important or why their other traits mean we can just teach them to be a pass rusher. I'm not saying you're wrong about Walker or that he can't learn to consistently get to the quarterback, I'd just like us to draft someone because they're already fantastic at it.
You forgot Leonard Williams.
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You forgot Leonard Williams.
Yes I did.
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He wasn't asked to rush the passer. Georgia's true pass rushers the past two seasons were Olujari and then Anderson (who got arrested six or seven games into the 2021 season).
I see a lot of stuff out there about his sack totals. As a contain player and a DL that lined up at DE, DT, NT, and standup OLB, he had good production.
I'm not saying he is an elite pass rusher. He's far from it. He is an elite defensive end because of his traits and his ability to play every DL tech at a high level.
And if we were the Giants, getting a really good defensive lineman would be awesome, because they have a promising edge rusher in Ojulari. they could use an inside out player next to him/across from him. If we take Walker at 4, we’ll be exactly where we were in the early 2010s with Muh, Sheldon, and Coples, trying to manufacture a passrush and putting square pegs in round holes, wasting JFM, and, very possibly, still looking for an edge rusher.
And if passrush technique could be taught to make guys legit pro passrushers, there’d be a hell of a lot more guys with great traits and poor numbers who work out.
And who cares that is JJ two years older? His even limited tape at UGA showed exactly how good he was going to be if he was able to get on the field more than he did. You know exactly what you’re getting with JJ, an legit edge guy who plays the run well and produces every game.
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If we take Walker at 4, we’ll be exactly where we were in the early 2010s with Muh, Sheldon, and Coples, trying to manufacture a passrush and putting square pegs in round holes, wasting JFM, and, very possibly, still looking for an edge rusher.
Look how far the defense has fallen. I'm not about drafting a defensive tackle with any of our premium picks, but we are clearly hurting up front.
How are you wasting JFM if both him and Walker can play inside and out?
Walker is a 4-3 DE that can play DT. He wouldn't be a square peg in our current scheme because it's a 4-3. Coples and Richardson were poor fits in the 3-4. If we were drafting him to play 3-4 OLB, I'd get it. He's great with his hand in the ground. There's no issue with scheme fit.
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I'm going to be legitimately pissed if we take an OL at 4.
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I'm going to be legitimately pissed if we take an OL at 4.
That ended with Laken
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That ended with Laken
You say that but seemingly every mock draft I see has us taking an OL.
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The first five picks should be Thibs, Hutch, Walker, Ickey, and Neal in some order. Worst case scenario for us is the three edge rushers going in order to start the draft.
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You say that but seemingly every mock draft I see has us taking an OL.
Were those old mocks from before we signed him? That or tards that don't know anything about the Jets.
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The first five picks should be Thibs, Hutch, Walker, Ickey, and Neal in some order. Worst case scenario for us is the three edge rushers going in order to start the draft.
Then it's Sauce time
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Were those old mocks from before we signed him?
Some people are still doing it - but they're just mocks, not real indicators of what's gonna happen.
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The first five picks should be Thibs, Hutch, Walker, Ickey, and Neal in some order. Worst case scenario for us is the three edge rushers going in order to start the draft.
Just had a quick look back and the last time someone didn't make a slightly eyebrow raising pick in the top 3 was probably 2017. So odds are good that someone will do the mildly unexpected again this year.
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Just had a quick look back and the last time someone didn't make a slightly eyebrow raising pick in the top 3 was probably 2017. So odds are good that someone will do the mildly unexpected again this year.
Trubisky was eyebrow raising, I thought.
So I'd say 2016.
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Were those old mocks from before we signed him? That or tards that don't know anything about the Jets.
These are all recent mocks and I wouldn't say that it's exclusively tards making them.
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Then it's Sauce time
Yes, but if we don't take him at 4 I believe there's a better than decent chance he's still available at 10, which would make taking him at 4 mildly disappointing from a value standpoint (though I'd still be extremely excited about the player).
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Trubisky was eyebrow raising, I thought.
So I'd say 2016.
Yeah, maybe. And the last time the QB class was so weak might be 2014, and that was all over the place with mocks vs what actually happened.
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This is a very reasonable scenario in my opinion and I would be over the moon if it happened:
1. JAX: Aidan Hutchinson, EDGE, Michigan
2. DET: Ickey Ekwonu, G/OT, NC State
3. HOU: Travon Walker, EDGE, Georgia
4. NYJ: Kayvon Thibodeaux, EDGE, Oregon
5. NYG: Evan Neal, OT, Alabama
6. CAR: Kenny Pickett, QB, Pittsburgh
7. NYG (from CHI): Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame
8. ATL: Malik Willis, QB, Liberty
9. SEA (from DEN): Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State
10. NYJ (from SEA): Sauce Gardner, CB, Cincinnati
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^I was just about to try to work out a scenario in which Gardner is there at 10.
As annoyed as I'd be, Wilson is also in the mix to go before 10.
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^I was just about to try to work out a scenario in which Gardner is there at 10.
As annoyed as I'd be, Wilson is also in the mix to go before 10.
Wilson is a possibility for the Falcons at 8. Have to believe they'll go QB or WR before they go corner.
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I'm going to be legitimately pissed if we take an OL at 4.
I'd be fine with it. It would confirm our worst fears about Becton and that would suck, but if the FO doesn't believe in him then so be it. I'll accept nearly any scenario that doesn't involve Conor McDermott taking meaningful snaps at tackle during this season.
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I'd be fine with it. It would confirm our worst fears about Becton and that would suck, but if the FO doesn't believe in him then so be it. I'll accept nearly any scenario that doesn't involve Conor McDermott taking meaningful snaps at tackle during this season.
You can't keep Becton or the #4 overall pick on the bench this year. The Jets aren't giving up on Becton before the draft.
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And if we were the Giants, getting a really good defensive lineman would be awesome, because they have a promising edge rusher in Ojulari. they could use an inside out player next to him/across from him. If we take Walker at 4, we’ll be exactly where we were in the early 2010s with Muh, Sheldon, and Coples, trying to manufacture a passrush and putting square pegs in round holes, wasting JFM, and, very possibly, still looking for an edge rusher.
And if passrush technique could be taught to make guys legit pro passrushers, there’d be a hell of a lot more guys with great traits and poor numbers who work out.
And who cares that is JJ two years older? His even limited tape at UGA showed exactly how good he was going to be if he was able to get on the field more than he did. You know exactly what you’re getting with JJ, an legit edge guy who plays the run well and produces every game.
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I do agree with a lot of this with Walker. Walker reminds me a ton of the DL we've drafted in the 1st in the past who have been good players but not truly impactful players.
To Heis' point, our DL and our defense has slipped so much where we just need good players up front because we are not nearly as good as we were in the past.
But if we're thinking Walker is this 12+ sack guy, that does not seem likely early in his career. I think if you're taking a DL in the top 5, you need him to be a top pass rusher. Walker has the measurables to develop into that guy, but he does not seem to have an arsenal of pass rush moves right now, so it will take some time.
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But if we're thinking Walker is this 12+ sack guy, that does not seem likely early in his career. I think if you're taking a DL in the top 5, you need him to be a top pass rusher. Walker has the measurables to develop into that guy, but he does not seem to have an arsenal of pass rush moves right now, so it will take some time.
I would draft him at 4 because it would make things easier on Williams, JFM, and hopefully Lawson. His ability to slide with power and still control gaps allows linebackers to run free to the QB as well.
Georgia gets pressure with trickery. Smart brings guys from everywhere, but they dominated opponents with fronts/stunts.
Dean, Tindall, and Beal harassed QBs because Davis, Walker, Carter, and Wyatt were so difficult to deal with.
Walker, Davis, and Wyatt are all first rounders. Carter will be a Top 10 overall prospect in 2023.
In an ideal world, we get a top pass rusher like Thibs or Hutchinson, but they're probably gone. I wouldn't take Walker over either of them.
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This is a very reasonable scenario in my opinion and I would be over the moon if it happened:
1. JAX: Aidan Hutchinson, EDGE, Michigan
2. DET: Ickey Ekwonu, G/OT, NC State
3. HOU: Travon Walker, EDGE, Georgia
4. NYJ: Kayvon Thibodeaux, EDGE, Oregon
5. NYG: Evan Neal, OT, Alabama
6. CAR: Kenny Pickett, QB, Pittsburgh
7. NYG (from CHI): Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame
8. ATL: Malik Willis, QB, Liberty
9. SEA (from DEN): Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State
10. NYJ (from SEA): Sauce Gardner, CB, Cincinnati
May I interest you in this
https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three
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May I interest you in this
https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three
I know the fanbase would collectively flip out if we took Walker over Thibs, but that is an awesome draft for us
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May I interest you in this
https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three
How on earth…. If that were to play out for us every Jets fan would be over the freaking moon. Which means none of it will come to pass.
If I were to try and finagle things, I would have tried to get 19 from Philly in the trade down for 38 instead of getting their 3 and 5. Then grab my WR at 19 instead of jumping to 25 or so for Olave. I also don’t think I’d take Sauce and Coby Bryant… but Jesus man that’s a hell of a draft class for any team. It’s moot because no w@y Sauce is there at 15. No chance in hell
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May I interest you in this
https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three
I know the fanbase would collectively flip out if we took Walker over Thibs, but that is an awesome draft for us
No way we'd get Sauce at 15 though.
Edit: F U Libero
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I know the fanbase would collectively flip out if we took Walker over Thibs, but that is an awesome draft for us
he traded away 35 to the Bucs...and didn't say what we got in return. Just gave away the pick apparently.
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he traded away 35 to the Bucs...and didn't say what we got in return. Just gave away the pick apparently.
We traded up to Tb for our 4th and something else for Olave
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We traded up to Tb for our 4th and something else for Olave
1. I need to learn to read
2. And yes...that's a sweet draft class
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If you take an EDGE at 4 and Sauce is off the board before 10, trading back a few slots and landing Stingley would be cool
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If you take an EDGE at 4 and Sauce is off the board before 10, trading back a few slots and landing Stingley would be cool
There are a bunch of trade scenarios that could easily make sense for us depending on the board. Some up and some down. 10+38 for 15+19 is an interesting swing trade for us.
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LOL, me too, but that won't be an option. Gotta take one of those pairs
They should both be available at 4 and 10
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May I interest you in this
https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three
Omg how do I sign up for this?
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May I interest you in this
https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-malik-willis-kenny-pickett-go-top-three
What sucks is that it would be crazy for 2 QBs to go in the top 3, yet it wouldn't change much for us.
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Something like this is exactly what I'm hoping the Jets do.
I don't love the receivers at 10, and I don't love going DB at 10. Hoping Joe can find a way to move back and get extra capital, which we could then use to move up later in the draft. This is exactly that scenario.
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Matt Miller/Rich Cimini combined 7 round mock for the Jets....it's not great
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/33572665/new-york-jets-nfl-mock-draft-2022-building-perfect-class-prospect-fits-all-nine-picks-seven-rounds
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Matt Miller/Rich Cimini combined 7 round mock for the Jets....it's not great
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/33572665/new-york-jets-nfl-mock-draft-2022-building-perfect-class-prospect-fits-all-nine-picks-seven-rounds
post the whole draft
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post the whole draft
4. Travon Walker
10: Drake London
the rest: poop
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the rest: poop
I need to see this
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I need to see this
35. CB - Kyler Gordon
38. LB - Christian Harris
69. OT - Abraham Lucas
111. S - Nick Cross
117. G/C - Dylan Parham
146. WR - Velus Jones Jr.
163. K - Cameron "Big Dick" Dicker
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We gotta draft Dicker.
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We gotta draft Dicker.
We better not draft anyone named Kyler. That's the name of mentally challenged NASCAR fan.
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35. CB - Kyler Gordon
38. LB - Christian Harris
69. OT - Abraham Lucas
111. S - Nick Cross
117. G/C - Dylan Parham
146. WR - Velus Jones Jr.
163. K - Cameron "Big Dick" Dicker
I see Matt Miller made all the picks. He continues to be horrible at his job. Hopefully ESPN fires him.
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I see Matt Miller made all the picks. He continues to be horrible at his job. Hopefully ESPN fires him.
I tried to shield you from this.
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I’m not sure anyone on that list truly excites me after Walker. I have most of this
35. CB - Kyler Gordon
38. LB - Christian Harris
69. OT - Abraham Lucas
111. S - Nick Cross
117. G/C - Dylan Parham
146. WR - Velus Jones Jr.
163. K - Cameron "Big Dick" Dicker
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nyjets/status/1508454613619462154
How does this guy have a job?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nyjets/status/1508454613619462154
How does this guy have a job?
By virtue of the same thing happening every year. The closer we get to the draft the fewer draft permutations are left unpublished and so they have to trot out increasingly unlikely ones, because they get more attention and clicks than rolling out the same one half a dozen guys have already used and discussed in detail.
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played around with the PFF mock draft simulator, now that trades are unlocked. I traded down twice from #4
(https://i.imgur.com/5TrTs1e.png)
I was hoping to get Travon Walker at 12, but the Commanders took him at 11. Still liked my haul.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48crQHGPy34
Kiper and McShay just live streamed their latest mock:
4. Walker
10. Sauce
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I'm just really against going corner in round 1 after the Reed signing. Too many holes on this team for me to give up on finding out if Echols or Hall can develop for us.
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I'm just really against going corner in round 1 after the Reed signing. Too many holes on this team for me to give up on finding out if Echols or Hall can develop for us.
Reed is a #2 CB
If we can get a top corner, especially now that we have to deal with Hill/Waddle and Diggs 2x a year, it makes sense
Corner is a premium position
There's nothing wrong with Hall/Echols being rotational depth
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Reed is a #2 CB
If we can get a top corner, especially now that we have to deal with Hill/Waddle and Diggs 2x a year, it makes sense
Corner is a premium position
There's nothing wrong with Hall/Echols being rotational depth
But how many times last summer did we hear Saleh say that the breadth of talent in the NFL isn't as wide as it seems and the difference sometimes comes down to whomever gets those reps and opportunities? I believe it. Do I believe more reps will help Tim Ward turn into a starter? Nah, not really. Denzel Mims? freak no. But we have some genuine prospects at cornerback and it seems totally countercultural to reward their promising development in 2021 by letting them split a dozen snaps a week in 2022.
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But how many times last summer did we hear Saleh say that the breadth of talent in the NFL isn't as wide as it seems and the difference sometimes comes down to whomever gets those reps and opportunities? I believe it. Do I believe more reps will help Tim Ward turn into a starter? Nah, not really. Denzel Mims? freak no. But we have some genuine prospects at cornerback and it seems totally countercultural to reward their promising development in 2021 by letting them split a dozen snaps a week in 2022.
The counterpoint to that is, after a year of working with everyone, maybe Saleh and co just don’t think these guys truly have the chops to be starters and feel they are more Tim ward than potentially a DJ Reed?
It also might not be about Hall or Echols and might be they think Sauce is the top player in the draft and they can get him at 4 (or maybe 10 after getting a pass rusher) and they just can’t pass up that kind of value despite what they already have on the roster?
In general, I agree with you. If they have Sauce as a guy they think is a solid starter to potentially top 15-20 CB in the league one day, they can get better value for this roster somewhere else. But if they think the CB they take has top 5 potential at the position, I think you just have to take that guy when he’s on the board for you (at essentially any position)
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The counterpoint to that is, after a year of working with everyone, maybe Saleh and co just don’t think these guys truly have the chops to be starters and feel they are more Tim ward than potentially a DJ Reed?
It also might not be about Hall or Echols and might be they think Sauce is the top player in the draft and they can get him at 4 (or maybe 10 after getting a pass rusher) and they just can’t pass up that kind of value despite what they already have on the roster?
In general, I agree with you. If they have Sauce as a guy they think is a solid starter to potentially top 15-20 CB in the league one day, they can get better value for this roster somewhere else. But if they think the CB they take has top 5 potential at the position, I think you just have to take that guy when he’s on the board for you (at essentially any position)
Yeah but CBs aren't difference makers, I can't think of a single example of a time when a successful defense has been built around a corner and it would never work if you tried to do it in the NFL.
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Yeah but CBs aren't difference makers, I can't think of a single example of a time when a successful defense has been built around a corner and it would never work if you tried to do it in the NFL.
How quickly we forget about The Drew Coleman Archipelago.
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How quickly we forget about The Drew Coleman Archipelago.
I was really hoping for the Kyle Wilson Peninsula to become a thing, but alas.
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Yeah but CBs aren't difference makers, I can't think of a single example of a time when a successful defense has been built around a corner and it would never work if you tried to do it in the NFL.
If Sauce is a Hall of Fame cornerback, he's worth the pick. If any of these guys are Hall of Famers, they are worth the pick. We might hate Kyle Hamilton, but if he's as good a safety as Revis was a cornerback, he's worth the #4.
But in general, I don't want a CB in the top 10. I am not as adamant against it as I used to be because the more I study Sauce, the more I like him, but I've said since Day 1 that our draft picks should either help our QB or help hit the opposing QB, and a cornerback doesn't really fill either need.
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If Sauce is a Hall of Fame cornerback, he's worth the pick. If any of these guys are Hall of Famers, they are worth the pick. We might hate Kyle Hamilton, but if he's as good a safety as Revis was a cornerback, he's worth the #4.
But in general, I don't want a CB in the top 10. I am not as adamant against it as I used to be because the more I study Sauce, the more I like him, but I've said since Day 1 that our draft picks should either help our QB or help hit the opposing QB, and a cornerback doesn't really fill either need.
Now go back and re-read my post you quoted, but pretend I'd put /s all over it. Maybe read the first couple of replies to it as well if it's still unclear where I was going.
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Now go back and re-read my post you quoted, but pretend I'd put /s all over it. Maybe read the first couple of replies to it as well if it's still unclear where I was going.
Yes, I think I understood where you were going. So much so that I literally mentioned the man's name in my post.
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Uncle Tanny weighed in with his own mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/story/_/id/33621658/nfl-mock-draft-2022-mike-tannenbaum-gm-picks-32-first-round-selections-including-three-quarterbacks
4. Garrett Wilson
10. Jermaine Johnson
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Uncle Tanny weighed in with his own mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/story/_/id/33621658/nfl-mock-draft-2022-mike-tannenbaum-gm-picks-32-first-round-selections-including-three-quarterbacks
4. Garrett Wilson
10. Jermaine Johnson
Surprised he didn't draft Jordan Davis and Demarvin Leal
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Tanny continuing his tradition of undervaluing EDGE for the Jets and waiting to address it later.
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Tanny continuing his tradition of undervaluing EDGE for the Jets and waiting to address it later.
6 picks later....oh no the humanity!
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JJ at 10 is a nice consolation prize.
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Uncle Tanny weighed in with his own mock
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/story/_/id/33621658/nfl-mock-draft-2022-mike-tannenbaum-gm-picks-32-first-round-selections-including-three-quarterbacks
4. Garrett Wilson
10. Jermaine Johnson
I would have no problem if this is what we walked away with.
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I would have no problem if this is what we walked away with.
My only issue is that he passed on Thibs....but yes, i'm okay with this outcome as well.
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The thing I have to keep reminding myself about the draft, is that it doesn’t matter who they draft or what kind of prospect they are/were on draft night. The staff believes in the guys they take, and actually has a plan for them. Just because I personally didn’t like them, doesn’t mean the staff can’t put them to good use in our system and develop them into solid players and contributors
Unlike the past few staffs, I trust Saleh and JD are on the same page, that there is a plan and that they actually will be able to execute it.
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The thing I have to keep reminding myself about the draft, is that it doesn’t matter who they draft or what kind of prospect they are/were on draft night. The staff believes in the guys they take, and actually has a plan for them. Just because I personally didn’t like them, doesn’t mean the staff can’t put them to good use in our system and develop them into solid players and contributors
Unlike the past few staffs, I trust Saleh and JD are on the same page, that there is a plan and that they actually will be able to execute it.
I've said it before but for the last few years my attitude for the draft has been trying to minimize my own misery by being as open as possible to the pros of each possible high pick we could make.
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https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-two-round-mock-draft-desmond-ridder-atlanta-falcons-chris-olave-justin-fields-chicago-bears
Latest PFF 2 round mock
4. Hamilton
10. Karlaftis
35. Burks
38. Muma
#meh
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McShay's latest mock (rounds 1 & 2)
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33668299/nfl-mock-draft-2022-todd-mcshay-predictions-all-64-picks-rounds-1-2-including-five-qbs-11-receivers-two-more-trades
4. Garrett Wilson
10. Sauce Gardner
35. Arnold Ebiketie
38. Quay Walker
I'm not thrilled with this 2nd round choices...especially with players like Cine, Winfrey, Breece Hall, Brisker, McBride, Dulcich still on the board
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I'm not thrilled with this 2nd round choices...especially with players like Cine, Winfrey, Breece Hall, Brisker, McBride, Dulcich still on the board
Why do you want a mid-round tight end over a potentially elite linebacker? I wouldn't take an RB or TE over Walker.
I get helping the QB should be a top priority, but Quay Walker is awesome.
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Why do you want a mid-round tight end over a potentially elite linebacker? I wouldn't take an RB or TE over Walker.
I get helping the QB should be a top priority, but Quay Walker is awesome.
I'm fine with Quay...it's the other guy that looks like a reach.
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I'm fine with Quay...it's the other guy that looks like a reach.
Ebiketie will probably go in the first round
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Ebiketie will probably go in the first round
or the 4th...give or take
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McShay's latest mock (rounds 1 & 2)
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33668299/nfl-mock-draft-2022-todd-mcshay-predictions-all-64-picks-rounds-1-2-including-five-qbs-11-receivers-two-more-trades
4. Garrett Wilson
10. Sauce Gardner
35. Arnold Ebiketie
38. Quay Walker
I'm not thrilled with this 2nd round choices...especially with players like Cine, Winfrey, Breece Hall, Brisker, McBride, Dulcich still on the board
I freaking love Quay Walker. Dude is a beast.
Winfrey is mid. The safeties are good, but Quay is a savage. RB or TE over Quay wouldn’t make sense for us.
I also really like Ebiketie. I have him 5th as an Edge.
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McShay's latest mock (rounds 1 & 2)
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33668299/nfl-mock-draft-2022-todd-mcshay-predictions-all-64-picks-rounds-1-2-including-five-qbs-11-receivers-two-more-trades
4. Garrett Wilson
10. Sauce Gardner
35. Arnold Ebiketie
38. Quay Walker
I'm not thrilled with this 2nd round choices...especially with players like Cine, Winfrey, Breece Hall, Brisker, McBride, Dulcich still on the board
I don’t like the draft because of Wilson at 4 that’s the worst reach of the bunch. We need our edge there and if that falls through Sauce or a trade back are the options for me. Assuming we get the edge at 4 and Sauce at 10, then we can take whichever WR that shouldn’t still be there at 35.
I want Dean but you can’t go wrong with any of those Georgia LBs. Ideal world we are able to get a S of those 3 big top of the second guys in Daxton (Dacron) Hill, Lewis Cine and Jaquan Brisker
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Dacron Hill
crom!
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crom!
No idea how the hell that happened
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No idea how the hell that happened
Nevermind the draft gods, if you angered Crom, it's all over.
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Ralph Vacchiano 7 round mock
https://sny.tv/articles/jets-7-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft
4. Thibs
10. Garrett Wilson
35. Brisker
38. Skyy Moore
69. RB - James Cook
111. G - Marquis Hayes
117. CB - Coby Bryant
146. T/G - Chris Paul
163. DT - Otito Ogbonnia
I would've preferred a LB at pick 38...but otherwise not a bad mock.
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Ralph Vacchiano 7 round mock
https://sny.tv/articles/jets-7-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft
4. Thibs
10. Garrett Wilson
35. Brisker
38. Skyy Moore
69. RB - James Cook
111. G - Marquis Hayes
117. CB - Coby Bryant
146. T/G - Chris Paul
163. DT - Otito Ogbonnia
I would've preferred a LB at pick 38...but otherwise not a bad mock.
I can't complain about it. And Otito has an elite name.
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Coby Bryant and Chris Paul?
That annoys me because you know he just picked them trying to be funny
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Ralph Vacchiano 7 round mock
https://sny.tv/articles/jets-7-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft
4. Thibs
10. Garrett Wilson
35. Brisker
38. Skyy Moore
69. RB - James Cook
111. G - Marquis Hayes
117. CB - Coby Bryant
146. T/G - Chris Paul
163. DT - Otito Ogbonnia
I would've preferred a LB at pick 38...but otherwise not a bad mock.
Everything but the skyy Moore pick is good. I don’t think he’s anything special (I have him 16th at WR), and if we’re going to pick second receiver he better be a guy who falls and is just top tier value. Like you said, LB makes way more sense.
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No need for Skyy Moore when we already have Braxton Berrios
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Uncle Schrags revealed his mock on @GMFB this morning
4. Sauce Gardner
10. Jameson Williams
sign me up
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Uncle Schrags revealed his mock on @GMFB this morning
4. Sauce Gardner
10. Jameson Williams
sign me up
https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/1512029084724903939?s=20&t=tZGkIv5uKXfI6NR23NPOcA
interesting
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I’ll be pretty surprised if we take a corner over a defensive end
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I’ll be pretty surprised if we take a corner over a defensive end
Brandt seems pretty emphatic about Schrags being dialed in. We'll see.
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Brandt seems pretty emphatic about Schrags being dialed in. We'll see.
It's his job to hype up their content
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His 2021 mock draft stunk
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off TDN mock simulator (get healthy Big Ticket)
4. Travon Walker
10. Garrett Wilson
35. Nakobe Dean
38. Quay Walker
69. Travis Jones
111. Matt Araiza (!)
117. Kyren Williams
146. Dohnovan West
163. Matt Henningsen
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off TDN mock simulator (get healthy Big Ticket)
4. Travon Walker
10. Garrett Wilson
35. Nakobe Dean
38. Quay Walker
69. Travis Jones
111. Matt Araiza (!)
117. Kyren Williams
146. Dohnovan West
163. Matt Henningsen
3 Linebackers? y tho
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It's his job to hype up their content
yeah but...lies make Jesus cry
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3 Linebackers? y tho
I only see two
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off TDN mock simulator (get healthy Big Ticket)
4. Travon Walker
10. Garrett Wilson
35. Nakobe Dean
38. Quay Walker
69. Travis Jones
111. Matt Araiza (!)
117. Kyren Williams
146. Dohnovan West
163. Matt Henningsen
If we draft another punter...
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I think I've come back full circle to being pissed if we take a DB at 4.
I would also be pissed if we draft a punter in any round.
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I only see two
nvm...i thought Henningsen was a LB. my bad.
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3 Linebackers? y tho
Dean & Quay Walker.
If we draft another punter...
At #111 I don't think it's 'Mike Nugent crazy' and could possibly end up a Shane Lechler (position locked in for 10 yrs) type win. Braden Mann for all his tackling moxie (saved the Rams game) owns a sub-par net ave. and imo a pick at #111 isn't going to make or break this roster esp. with the long-term potential a possibility.
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3 Linebackers? y tho
Because our LBs suck
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Because our LBs suck
Lil Quincy gonna bite your dick off for dat.
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Chad Reuter's latest 4 rounder...has the Jets trading all over the board. I think i counted 3 trades involving them.
https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-skylar-thompson-only-qb-selected-in-round-4
9. Sauce Gardner
15. Drake London
27. Nakobe Dean
38. Arnold Ebiketie
69. HB - Zamir White
83. OG - Sean Rhyan
Trade details:
-Jets trade back to 9 with Seattle....Jets get #9, Seattle's 2023 1st rounder and their 2022 5th for the #4 and one of the Jets 2022 4th rounders
-Philly gives up their 3rd and 5th round picks to move up to 10 and the Jets move back to 15.
-Jets trade up to the Bucs at 27....giving up #35, a 4th and 5th round picks
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To me the value of the Philly trade and TB trade don’t properly align, if that’s all we get to drop back to 15 I’d assume a cheaper trade up to 27.
If we walked away with Sauce, London, Dean and a 2023 1 on night one I’m not sure how anyone could complain
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Random questions:
What receivers would you consider a bargain or at least solid at 10 if still there?
What players are no doubters for the Jets at 4 if still there? Not "ehh I guess so", but ones that make you fist pump.
Would you rather stay at 35 and 38 or package both to move back into the middle of the 1st round?
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Random questions:
What receivers would you consider a bargain or at least solid at 10 if still there?
What players are no doubters for the Jets at 4 if still there? Not "ehh I guess so", but ones that make you fist pump.
Would you rather stay at 35 and 38 or package both to move back into the middle of the 1st round?
1. Wilson and Williams
2. Hutch and KT
3. It depends who we got with 4 and 10 and who is falling into the mid-first. E.g. we don't take a WR with our first 2 picks and Williams is falling.
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1. Wilson and Williams
2. Hutch and KT
3. It depends who we got with 4 and 10 and who is falling into the mid-first. E.g. we don't take a WR with our first 2 picks and Williams is falling.
London at 10?
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London at 10?
I would be really disappointed. I don’t see how he’s going to be anything but a solid contributor at best in the league. I can’t see the logic of passing on Jameo or Wilson for him.
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London at 10?
Pass
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I don't love any of the WRs at 10. I'm fine taking them there because we need another WR. But all of them have flaws that make me a little leery of taking them. I'd love to be able to trade down and get whichever WR slips to the teens or early 20's, but obviously we would need to find a trading partner.
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I don't love any of the WRs at 10. I'm fine taking them there because we need another WR. But all of them have flaws that make me a little leery of taking them. I'd love to be able to trade down and get whichever WR slips to the teens or early 20's, but obviously we would need to find a trading partner.
Jameson Williams and Garrett Wilson are solid picks for 10
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Jameson Williams and Garrett Wilson are solid picks for 10
I'm fine with Williams, Wilson or London at 10. None of them are major reaches at 10, and they fill a need that we need to fill.
But if I'm just ranking the best 10 players in the draft, none of them are in there for me.
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Jameson Williams and Garrett Wilson are solid picks for 10
are they? Or are we talking ourselves into that because we want a WR so badly?
Someone far better at this than me should do this exercise, perhaps H or Cane will indulge us.
As prospects order the following players, which I believe is all the 1st round WRs from the past two classes, plus top guys this year, and our own Elijah Moore
Garrett Wilson
Drake London
Treylon Burks
Jameson Williams
Chris Olave
Jamarr Chase
Jaylen Waddle
DeVonta Smith
Kadarius Toney
Elijah Moore
Henry Ruggs
Jerry Jeudy
Ceedee Lamb
Justin Jefferson
Jalen Reagor
Brandon Ayiuk
For me I think all 3 from last year, Ruggs and CeeDee come before anybody from this class. I also really liked Jefferson but never thought he’d be this outstanding. I feel like Jeudy is also ahead of this years crop as well. Then I’d say Jameson Williams is next.
Is a guy that might be WR8 over the past couple classes of guys actually worth pick ten? I get the top of this class is overall weaker than the past few years, but to me if you can get back from 10 and pick up picks for this year and next, I think you are better off than taking a wr at 10.
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are they? Or are we talking ourselves into that because we want a WR so badly?
Someone far better at this than me should do this exercise, perhaps H or Cane will indulge us.
As prospects order the following players, which I believe is all the 1st round WRs from the past two classes, plus top guys this year, and our own Elijah Moore
Garrett Wilson
Drake London
Treylon Burks
Jameson Williams
Chris Olave
Jamarr Chase
Jaylen Waddle
DeVonta Smith
Kadarius Toney
Elijah Moore
Henry Ruggs
Jerry Jeudy
Ceedee Lamb
Justin Jefferson
Jalen Reagor
Brandon Ayiuk
For me I think all 3 from last year, Ruggs and CeeDee come before anybody from this class. I also really liked Jefferson but never thought he’d be this outstanding. I feel like Jeudy is also ahead of this years crop as well. Then I’d say Jameson Williams is next.
Is a guy that might be WR8 over the past couple classes of guys actually worth pick ten? I get the top of this class is overall weaker than the past few years, but to me if you can get back from 10 and pick up picks for this year and next, I think you are better off than taking a wr at 10.
I rewatched Alabama vs Georgia...we need (not want, "need") to draft Jameson Williams.
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I don't love any of the WRs at 10. I'm fine taking them there because we need another WR. But all of them have flaws that make me a little leery of taking them. I'd love to be able to trade down and get a worse WR
FTFY
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are they? Or are we talking ourselves into that because we want a WR so badly?
Someone far better at this than me should do this exercise, perhaps H or Cane will indulge us.
As prospects order the following players, which I believe is all the 1st round WRs from the past two classes, plus top guys this year, and our own Elijah Moore
Garrett Wilson
Drake London
Treylon Burks
Jameson Williams
Chris Olave
Jamarr Chase
Jaylen Waddle
DeVonta Smith
Kadarius Toney
Elijah Moore
Henry Ruggs
Jerry Jeudy
Ceedee Lamb
Justin Jefferson
Jalen Reagor
Brandon Ayiuk
For me I think all 3 from last year, Ruggs and CeeDee come before anybody from this class. I also really liked Jefferson but never thought he’d be this outstanding. I feel like Jeudy is also ahead of this years crop as well. Then I’d say Jameson Williams is next.
Is a guy that might be WR8 over the past couple classes of guys actually worth pick ten? I get the top of this class is overall weaker than the past few years, but to me if you can get back from 10 and pick up picks for this year and next, I think you are better off than taking a wr at 10.
I get the idea of what you’re saying, but I think you’d get a wide variety of answers for that ranking and you have to factor in the relative strength of each draft. Like I could see someone rank them above Devonta and Waddle, but below JJ. I don’t know if that has any affect on my perception of their value because each draft is so different.
I think both Wilson and Williams among the top 10-15 players in the class. I’d personally only say that I think that 8 guys are absolutely higher than either Jameo or Garrett (Neal, IK, Aidan, KT, JJ, Walker, Sauce, Hamilton). If we’re in a spot where we have them on the board at 10 and we really like one of them, I’d draft him there and not mess around.
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FTFY
I don't think there's much of a difference between Wilson, London, Williams, Burks and Olave. All of them have concerns for me in terms of taking them in the top 10.
Ideally, if you think they're all in a similar tier, you can move down a bit and get extra capital. But that's easier said than done, and there's risk involved. But I don't think any of these are can't-miss studs where if we move down and all of them get taken, that would suck, but we can adjust. WR isn't our only need, and there are guys I like on Day 2.
If there isn't a trade, then just take whoever you like best at 10. But I would be willing to roll the dice if there's a deal there.
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I don’t think we can rule out Stingley Jr. at 10
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Williams helps the offense the most. If he’s there at 10, he should be the pick.
His speed opens everything up.
Olave might be the best scheme fit but we’d have to trade back (or trade back in) to make sense of that pick.
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I don’t think we can rule out Stingley Jr. at 10
I think he will likely be the BPA if he's there. We're not good enough to be passing up BPA. At the same time, the most important thing for the team is Wilson's development, and the 2nd-most thing should be helping the pass rush. Stingley does neither. Reed and Hall/Echols isn't a good CB group, but it's not a disaster, especially if you believe in either Hall or Echols.
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I think he will likely be the BPA if he's there. We're not good enough to be passing up BPA. At the same time, the most important thing for the team is Wilson's development, and the 2nd-most thing should be helping the pass rush. Stingley does neither. Reed and Hall/Echols isn't a good CB group, but it's not a disaster, especially if you believe in either Hall or Echols.
A great corner helps the pass rush
I’m assuming we’ll take a defensive lineman with the 4th pick
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A great corner helps the pass rush
I’m assuming we’ll take a defensive lineman with the 4th pick
I only saw us as looking at an elite CB prospect, otherwise we run it back with what we have. To me the only one of those is Sauce. But Stingley has the highest ceiling of any CB prospect. I could see the Jets loving the guy but his injury history scares the hell out of me.
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Kiper released his 2 round mock draft....He had the Jets trade back into the first round with Cinci....gave up pick 35 and another mid round pick.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33721368/nfl-mock-draft-2022-mel-kiper-new-predictions-top-64-picks-rounds-1-2-including-first-round-trade
4. Thibs
10. Drake London
31. The Baum
38: Breece Hall
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Kiper released his 2 round mock draft....He had the Jets trade back into the first round with Cinci....gave up pick 35 and another mid round pick.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33721368/nfl-mock-draft-2022-mel-kiper-new-predictions-top-64-picks-rounds-1-2-including-first-round-trade
4. Thibs
10. Drake London
31. The Baum
38: Breece Hall
I have been doing some reading on Linderbaum, and according to many out there, he seems to be so position specific (center only) and scheme specific that he may not have more than 3-4 teams that would rate him highly. If he is still on the board at 31, the only reason to go and get him is to secure that 5th year option, which to me doesn't seem to be a priority for a center as it is a very cost controlled position. I have also heard (namely from Daniel Jeremiah) that a lot of teams really like Cam Jurgens and he might actually leapfrog Linderbaum.
As for Breece Hall, I can't see us going RB that early unless we have acquired more capital somewhere else. That crop of Safeties that will go late 1 - early 2 is too good to not tap into IMO. My guy is Cine, but Brisker, Hill, Pitre will all go in that same area, and I would be happy with any of them.
For a non paying ESPN guy... I am curious where he had the LBs going. I assume Lloyd went first, Dean next, but who was LB 3? Harris? Quay Walker? and where did he have them going.
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I have been doing some reading on Linderbaum, and according to many out there, he seems to be so position specific (center only) and scheme specific that he may not have more than 3-4 teams that would rate him highly. If he is still on the board at 31, the only reason to go and get him is to secure that 5th year option, which to me doesn't seem to be a priority for a center as it is a very cost controlled position. I have also heard (namely from Daniel Jeremiah) that a lot of teams really like Cam Jurgens and he might actually leapfrog Linderbaum.
As for Breece Hall, I can't see us going RB that early unless we have acquired more capital somewhere else. That crop of Safeties that will go late 1 - early 2 is too good to not tap into IMO. My guy is Cine, but Brisker, Hill, Pitre will all go in that same area, and I would be happy with any of them.
For a non paying ESPN guy... I am curious where he had the LBs going. I assume Lloyd went first, Dean next, but who was LB 3? Harris? Quay Walker? and where did he have them going.
18. Dean (Philly)
21. Lloyd (NWE)
41. Quay (Sea)
45. Tindall (Balt)
Harris undrafted at this point.
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18. Dean (Philly)
21. Lloyd (NWE)
41. Quay (Sea)
45. Tindall (Balt)
Harris undrafted at this point.
See I would take Quay Walker over Breece Hall in a second. Same with any of those safeties I listed
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See I would take Quay Walker over Breece Hall in a second. Same with any of those safeties I listed
Well...if you grow your hair like Jimmy Neutron asap, maybe you can impersonate Kiper and redo his mock.
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Breece Hall would help Zach more than a safety who would borderline start so I’d be absolutely fine with that pick.
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Did a mock draft with a trade.
Traded 35 and Mekhi Becton for 19 and 194 (treated Becton as a 2023 1st in the PFN simulator, though this basically values him as a mid-late 2nd...hoping we can get more, but whatever).
4. Ikem Ekwonu, OT, NC State
10. Jermaine Johnson, EDGE, FSU
19. Drake London, WR, USC
38. Tyler Linderbaum, C, Iowa
69. Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor
111. Channing Tindall, LB, Georgia
117. Jelani Woods, TE, Virginia
148. Tyquan Thornton, WR, Baylor
163. Akayleb Evans, CB, Missouri
194. Isaih Pacheco, RB, Rutgers
If we go with Ekwonu at 4, I think this is about the direction we should take. Build in the trenches at 4 and 10. Hopefully Johnson falls to 10 in this scenario. Then trade up and get your receiver.
Pacheco and Thornton add gamebreaking speed to this offense, while London gives us a good compliment to Moore. Jelani Woods can be a developmental TE to replace Conklin or Uzomah in a couple years.
Our offensive line becomes one of the best in the NFL probably as soon as 2023.
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Did a mock draft with a trade.
Traded 35 and Mekhi Becton for 19 and 194 (treated Becton as a 2023 1st in the PFN simulator, though this basically values him as a mid-late 2nd...hoping we can get more, but whatever).
4. Ikem Ekwonu, OT, NC State
10. Jermaine Johnson, EDGE, FSU
19. Drake London, WR, USC
38. Tyler Linderbaum, C, Iowa
69. Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor
111. Channing Tindall, LB, Georgia
117. Jelani Woods, TE, Virginia
148. Tyquan Thornton, WR, Baylor
163. Akayleb Evans, CB, Missouri
194. Isaih Pacheco, RB, Rutgers
If we go with Ekwonu at 4, I think this is about the direction we should take. Build in the trenches at 4 and 10. Hopefully Johnson falls to 10 in this scenario. Then trade up and get your receiver.
Pacheco and Thornton add gamebreaking speed to this offense, while London gives us a good compliment to Moore. Jelani Woods can be a developmental TE to replace Conklin or Uzomah in a couple years.
Our offensive line becomes one of the best in the NFL probably as soon as 2023.
Why go with an OL at 4? What's your plan with him? Assuming injuries?
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Why go with an OL at 4? What's your plan with him? Assuming injuries?
He traded Mekhi Becton in that scenario
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He traded Mekhi Becton in that scenario
Jesus I can't read.
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I keep reading that the Jets love Ekwonu from various Jets sources. If that's the case, I think we should trade Becton for a 2nd-round pick. I imagine Douglas already would have talked to a couple teams to gauge his value just in case.
The benefit of doing that is that as of now, we don't have an OT we can trust on the roster in 2023. Fant is a FA, and Becton is still a question mark. With a young QB, it's vital we lock down the OL to protect him and build a running game, and Ekwonu is a better prospect than Becton even if you aren't worried about Becton's injuries.
If Hutchinson and Thibodeaux are gone, there's nobody I'm really in love with at 4, and I don't even know if the Jets will take Thibodeaux at 4 even if he's there. Ekwonu would be the BPA if he's there at 4. And we likely would need to take an OT on Day 2 in order to basically be a backup plan for Becton. Taking Ekwonu would severely lessen that need, and Becton (or Fant) is good enough to be dealt for quality draft picks IMO.
I like Jermaine Johnson, but I'm not sure he's worth the #4 overall pick. I like Travon Walker, but I'd rather have a pure edge who can get after the quarterback. I like the DBs, but I don't want to spend a top-5 pick on a defensive back. I love Ekwonu.
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Ekwonu is a better prospect than Becton even if you aren't worried about Becton's injuries
I disagree with this
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No way in hell I'd trade Becton this year. He is too talented to give up on this soon. When he's on the field, he's really good.
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Would be awesome if Ekwonu and Neal were on the board at 4 and the Jets trade back a few spots so another team can get him. Maybe move back to 8 with ATL and pick up a second rounder. A few guys on the board at 4 will still be there for the Jets at 8 I think.
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Would be awesome if Ekwonu and Neal were on the board at 4 and the Jets trade back a few spots so another team can get him. Maybe move back to 8 with ATL and pick up a second rounder. A few guys on the board at 4 will still be there for the Jets at 8 I think.
I believe we get 1 OT 1 QB and one defender off the board 5-6-7. Could you imagine sliding back with Sauce/an edge on the board to 8 and getting one of those two at 8 plus some bonus picks?
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Albert Breer mocked the first 12 picks....
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/04/15/game-plan-mock-first-12-picks-league-rumors
4. Ickey Ekwonu
Edge rusher is a need. Corner is too, and we saw GM Joe Douglas take a swing at getting Zach Wilson a weapon in the Jets’ bid for Tyreek Hill. But there’s still a feeling he’ll take an offensive lineman in the first round for the third time in as many years as GM with one of his two first-round picks. And Ekwonu, a real mauler, is the one I’ve heard the Jets connected to most.
The logic on Ekwonu, tied to his positional flexibility, makes sense. There’s real concern on 2020 first-rounder Mekhi Becton, and whether he’ll be the long-term answer at left tackle. Taking Ekwonu would give the Jets an insurance policy in case Becton washes out. And if Becton can grow up a little and start to fulfill his immense potential? Well, then the Jets could kick Ekwonu into guard, a position many teams feel is his most natural NFL spot, and a place where some feel like he has all-pro potential.
And sure, this is high for a guard. But sixth was, too, and we’ve seen what’s become of Quenton Nelson in Indianapolis.
10. Drake London
You can cut and paste what I said about the Giants. I think Douglas will try to make a trade with one of his two picks, to pick up capital and maybe position himself for 2023 as well.
If they stick here, I could see the Jets catching a falling Gardner or Thibodeaux, or maybe even Stingley. Absent that, I think this a spot where help could come for Zach Wilson, if all the receivers are sitting there for the Jets. In this scenario, they are, and this is the range where both USC’s Drake London and Ohio State’s Garrett Wilson are pegged to be in play (and maybe Alabama’s Jameson Williams, too, based on teams’ comfort level with his ACL).
I’ll take the guy, then, who I believe best complements their current foundation of Elijah Moore and Braxton Berrios at the position, and get Mike LaFleur his prototype “X.”
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does Breer know we have Tomlinson and AVT at guard? lazy reporting
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Albert Breer mocked the first 12 picks....
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/04/15/game-plan-mock-first-12-picks-league-rumors
4. Ickey Ekwonu
Edge rusher is a need. Corner is too, and we saw GM Joe Douglas take a swing at getting Zach Wilson a weapon in the Jets’ bid for Tyreek Hill. But there’s still a feeling he’ll take an offensive lineman in the first round for the third time in as many years as GM with one of his two first-round picks. And Ekwonu, a real mauler, is the one I’ve heard the Jets connected to most.
The logic on Ekwonu, tied to his positional flexibility, makes sense. There’s real concern on 2020 first-rounder Mekhi Becton, and whether he’ll be the long-term answer at left tackle. Taking Ekwonu would give the Jets an insurance policy in case Becton washes out. And if Becton can grow up a little and start to fulfill his immense potential? Well, then the Jets could kick Ekwonu into guard, a position many teams feel is his most natural NFL spot, and a place where some feel like he has all-pro potential.
And sure, this is high for a guard. But sixth was, too, and we’ve seen what’s become of Quenton Nelson in Indianapolis.
10. Drake London
You can cut and paste what I said about the Giants. I think Douglas will try to make a trade with one of his two picks, to pick up capital and maybe position himself for 2023 as well.
If they stick here, I could see the Jets catching a falling Gardner or Thibodeaux, or maybe even Stingley. Absent that, I think this a spot where help could come for Zach Wilson, if all the receivers are sitting there for the Jets. In this scenario, they are, and this is the range where both USC’s Drake London and Ohio State’s Garrett Wilson are pegged to be in play (and maybe Alabama’s Jameson Williams, too, based on teams’ comfort level with his ACL).
I’ll take the guy, then, who I believe best complements their current foundation of Elijah Moore and Braxton Berrios at the position, and get Mike LaFleur his prototype “X.”
If a person has a three paragraph explanation for the IK pick and the only argument is “IDK, insurance I guess” then that person really didn’t do a good job at all. Ignoring our existing guards is so dumb.
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I'd be really underwhelmed with that 1st round. And I like Ekwonu.
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I'd be really underwhelmed with that 1st round. And I like Ekwonu.
I'd be fine with it. I'm fine with any of the receivers at 10. Ekwonu isn't my first choice at 4, but outside of Thibodeaux, I don't really see a home run pick at 4.
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I'd be fine with it. I'm fine with any of the receivers at 10. Ekwonu isn't my first choice at 4, but outside of Thibodeaux, I don't really see a home run pick at 4.
Similar thought here.
I think KT or Walker is the pick at 4 unless theyre both gone in top 3. Then I'd bet on Ekwonu over Sauce being the choice. I'm okay with any of those 4, but like Badger I'd be underwhelmed with a couple of them.
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I wanted to do one more quick mock while thinking outside the box. The bulk of my mocks always involved taking a WR at 10, i wanted to see what i could do if i took a different approach. So i traded back from 4 to 9 with Seattle, picking up their 2nd rounder from Denver (pick 40).
(https://i.imgur.com/oH241rS.png)
i think i hit a few HRs here....McDuffie and Lloyd instantly lock down our defense. Pickens is an underrated 6'3 burner and Ebiketie will slide in nicely opposite of Carl Lawson. Hall, Joseph, and Jurgens fill some needed gaps as well. Jelani Woods could be some late round gold.
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I love trading down, but I hate this mock so much. McDuffie at 9 is a reach. I love Devin Lloyd, but if we draft a LB and a non-Gardner/Stingley CB in the top 10, I would hate it.
Pickens has upside, but we need someone to compete right away, and I hate that pick at 35.
The rest of the draft is fine, but I hate the first 3 picks. This is one of the worst Jets mocks I've seen.
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McDuffie is right there with Gardner and Stingley
There’s an argument to be made that he’s the most pro-ready defensive back in this draft class.
How can Pickens not compete right away? He’s coming from a pro-style offense that plays in the most talented conference. He’s just as ready as any receiver in this group.
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McDuffie is right there with Gardner and Stingley
There’s an argument to be made that he’s the most pro-ready defensive back in this draft class.
How can Pickens not compete right away? He’s coming from a pro-style offense that plays in the most talented conference. He’s just as ready as any receiver in this group.
I think he's slightly below Gardner and Stingley, and I'm not sold on taking a cornerback in the top 10 anyway, so taking my 3rd-best CB in the top 10 is not something I'm interested in.
Pickens has a ton of upside, but I think he is a boom/bust receiver. His production was never great. He's coming off a year where he barely played. I think he needs work on his technique. There are a lot of questions with Pickens. If he puts it together, he can be the best receiver in the draft, but I'm not fully sold at 35. I probably shouldn't say I "hate" that pick, but I don't love his fit for what we need.
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I love trading down, but I hate this mock so much. McDuffie at 9 is a reach. I love Devin Lloyd, but if we draft a LB and a non-Gardner/Stingley CB in the top 10, I would hate it.
Pickens has upside, but we need someone to compete right away, and I hate that pick at 35.
The rest of the draft is fine, but I hate the first 3 picks. This is one of the worst Jets mocks I've seen.
Oh man...I hope this mock comes true so much now.
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Oh man...I hope this mock comes true so much now.
The mock could end up working out fine. Pickens could be a star, and Ebikitie could answer our edge issues.
But I think our goal at 4 and 10 should be to help our pass rush and to help our young QB, and you have done neither. So I can't like it at all.
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The mock could end up working out fine. Pickens could be a star, and Ebikitie could answer our edge issues.
But I think our goal at 4 and 10 should be to help our pass rush and to help our young QB, and you have done neither. So I can't like it at all.
Pickens, Hall, Woods and Jurgens all help our QB....improving our D also helps our QB.
So I'm not sure what you're whining about.
Keep in mind Douglas signed 2 TEs and a Guard in FA too.
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The mock could end up working out fine. Pickens could be a star, and Ebikitie could answer our edge issues.
But I think our goal at 4 and 10 should be to help our pass rush and to help our young QB, and you have done neither. So I can't like it at all.
getting a shutdown corner and potentially the best LB in the draft (one that can cover TEs btw.....) helps our pass rush. I thought you were smarter than this?
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getting a shutdown corner and potentially the best LB in the draft (one that can cover TEs btw.....) helps our pass rush. I thought you were smarter than this?
Yes, when I think improving a pass rush, I think cornerbacks and off-ball linebackers. I thought you were smarter than that. Obviously, if you improve part of a defense, other parts improve along with it, but you're not addressing the pass rush.
Maybe we should draft a punter because a punter helps field position, which helps out Zach Wilson AND our defense.
I love Devin Lloyd as a prospect. I can get behind him OR a CB in the top 10, but even then I don't love it.
If any other non-Jets person posted a mock where we left the 1st round without an edge rusher or offensive player, you would rightly skewer them.
We've needed an edge rusher for nearly two decades. Get me an edge rusher. And if the edge rushers are gone, get me someone who can help Zach Wilson's development.
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Yes, when I think improving a pass rush, I think cornerbacks and off-ball linebackers. I thought you were smarter than that. Obviously, if you improve part of a defense, other parts improve along with it, but you're not addressing the pass rush.
Maybe we should draft a punter because a punter helps field position, which helps out Zach Wilson AND our defense.
I love Devin Lloyd as a prospect. I can get behind him OR a CB in the top 10, but even then I don't love it.
If any other non-Jets person posted a mock where we left the 1st round without an edge rusher or offensive player, you would rightly skewer them.
We've needed an edge rusher for nearly two decades. Get me an edge rusher. And if the edge rushers are gone, get me someone who can help Zach Wilson's development.
I addressed WR and EDGE in the 2nd round...because it's one of many plausible scenarios. This particular mock Hutch/Thibs went in the top 3...so i traded back. Which allowed me to pick up an additional 2nd rounder....which i used on one of the best HBs in the draft (moar help for Zach).
Pickens and Ebiketie fill the need if the board doesn't fall the way you want it to. This draft is loaded at WR.
All opinions are welcome, especially the negative ones. But don't act like EDGE/WR weren't addressed just because they weren't in the first round.
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If i were here to make you happy, Mack...i would've traded 4 and 10 to Seattle for Geno Smith.
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I addressed WR and EDGE in the 2nd round...because it's one of many plausible scenarios. This particular mock Hutch/Thibs went in the top 3...so i traded back.
Pickens and Eberketie fill the need if the board doesn't fall the way you want it to. This draft is loaded at WR.
All opinions are welcome, especially the negative ones. But don't act like EDGE/WR weren't addressed just because they weren't in the first round.
"All opinions are welcome, especially the negative ones, but I will call you an idiot if you disagree."
I am well aware you took guys in the 2nd round. This is just a very underwhelming draft for me. That's all. It doesn't mean it can't work out. Any draft can work out if the players work out.
I just think that in a nutshell, when you're trying to rebuild a roster, taking a LB and a CB in the top 10 is terrible resource management, especially the way this defense is run. Taking two top-10 picks on defense and neither one being an edge rusher makes me want to vomit.
If we don't get an edge in the top 10, I'm totally good with Ebikitie in the 2nd round. I said I hate the Pickens pick, but that's more because I want a more sure thing with that pick. I think Pickens has a high chance of busting for a 2nd-round pick. He has upside to be the best WR in the draft, which is why he's likely a 2nd-round pick, but I don't really want a boom/bust guy with that pick, unless we're doubling down at WR in another round later.
Also, I just saw you drafted a punter. That might pee me off more than drafting a LB and the 3rd-best CB in the top 10. Drafting two punters in a 3-year when your team is 13-36 under your watch (and 6-27 when you've had a full offseason) is like taking Christian Hackenberg as your QB of the future.
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If i were here to make you happy, Mack...i would've traded 4 and 10 to Seattle for Geno Smith.
Just because you posted the worst mock draft in the history of TGG/YDKF/TJO doesn't mean you need to get mad at me.
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Just because you posted the worst mock draft in the history of TGG/YDKF/TJO doesn't mean you need to get mad at me.
I'm not mad...your opinion is weak. That's a you issue.
I really hope JD and I are aligned...that mock checks all the important boxes.
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"All opinions are welcome, especially the negative ones, but I will call you an idiot if you disagree."
I am well aware you took guys in the 2nd round. This is just a very underwhelming draft for me. That's all. It doesn't mean it can't work out. Any draft can work out if the players work out.
I just think that in a nutshell, when you're trying to rebuild a roster, taking a LB and a CB in the top 10 is terrible resource management, especially the way this defense is run. Taking two top-10 picks on defense and neither one being an edge rusher makes me want to vomit.
If we don't get an edge in the top 10, I'm totally good with Ebikitie in the 2nd round. I said I hate the Pickens pick, but that's more because I want a more sure thing with that pick. I think Pickens has a high chance of busting for a 2nd-round pick. He has upside to be the best WR in the draft, which is why he's likely a 2nd-round pick, but I don't really want a boom/bust guy with that pick, unless we're doubling down at WR in another round later.
Also, I just saw you drafted a punter. That might pee me off more than drafting a LB and the 3rd-best CB in the top 10. Drafting two punters in a 3-year when your team is 13-36 under your watch (and 6-27 when you've had a full offseason) is like taking Christian Hackenberg as your QB of the future.
LB and CB are needs because our D is currently garbage.
Only an idiot would think otherwise.
Pickens isn't boom or bust.... lol
Nobody is a sure thing. Is this your first draft?
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LB and CB are needs because our D is currently garbage.
Only an idiot would think otherwise.
Pickens isn't boom or bust.... lol
Nobody is a sure thing. Is this your first draft?
Of course LB and CB are needs. That doesn't mean you need to take them in the 1st round.
Our D is garbage because our defense is built on getting a pass rush, and we had no pass rush last year.
The two most important goals for this franchise in this draft are to help out Zach Wilson and to get a pass rush, and you took a LB and a CB in the 1st round, and you drafted a punter in the 5th round.
I know there's no sure things in the draft. I'm just not a huge Pickens fan at 35. And I hate what you did in the 1st round. And I hate that you drafted a punter. I'm fine with your other picks, but the 1st-round (and drafting a punter) are so bad, that this draft is irredeemable.
Obviously, it could work out because any draft can work out if the players work out. But this ain't it.
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Of course LB and CB are needs. That doesn't mean you need to take them in the 1st round.
Our D is garbage because our defense is built on getting a pass rush, and we had no pass rush last year.
The two most important goals for this franchise in this draft are to help out Zach Wilson and to get a pass rush, and you took a LB and a CB in the 1st round, and you drafted a punter in the 5th round.
I know there's no sure things in the draft. I'm just not a huge Pickens fan at 35. And I hate what you did in the 1st round. And I hate that you drafted a punter. I'm fine with your other picks, but the 1st-round (and drafting a punter) are so bad, that this draft is irredeemable.
Obviously, it could work out because any draft can work out if the players work out. But this ain't it.
I love what I did in the first round even more now.
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I don’t get the punter pick, but I’m not opposed to McDuffie at 10.
I trust our coaching staff to pick the right players for their scheme.
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I don’t get the punter pick, but I’m not opposed to McDuffie at 10.
I trust our coaching staff to pick the right players for their scheme.
That part is fair. I don't like the positional value, but I do trust this staff to take guys who fit the system.
I think Saleh knows exactly what type of guys he's looking for in this system. I would just be completely shocked if that involved two top-10 defensive picks that aren't edge rushers.
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I don’t get the punter pick, but I’m not opposed to McDuffie at 10.
I trust our coaching staff to pick the right players for their scheme.
Eh...Mann was in the bottom half of the league last year. Morstead was better.
I'm not going to die on a hill to defend the pick....but it's not like Mann is irreplaceable.
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Pickens, Hall, Woods and Jurgens all help our QB....improving our D also helps our QB.
So I'm not sure what you're whining about.
Keep in mind Douglas signed 2 TEs and a Guard in FA too.
Jurgens is a 4th round center, the expectations for that pick should be approximately zero.
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Jurgens is a 4th round center, the expectations for that pick should be approximately zero.
Of course...hes a depth pick
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I'd have to see what picks 1-8 were, and who was available at 4, before I can fully judge McDuffie/Lloyd in this scenario. 1st round does leave me underwhelmed but the 2nd picks it up.
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Jurgens is a 4th round center, the expectations for that pick should be approximately zero.
Depending on who MB is replying to, he's either improving our offense, or he's a depth pick.
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Eh...Mann was in the bottom half of the league last year. Morstead was better.
I'm not going to die on a hill to defend the pick....but it's not like Mann is irreplaceable.
I just think it's atrocious to draft a punter at all. The fact that Douglas drafted a punter 2 years ago and he was outperformed by someone we signed off the street is the best proof as to why drafting a punter is a terrible idea.
Don't want to go overboard on this pick because I don't expect anyone here to be able to break down options in the 5th round. But drafting punters is rarely a good idea if ever.
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Get on old fart free agent punter.
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I just think it's atrocious to draft a punter at all. The fact that Douglas drafted a punter 2 years ago and he was outperformed by someone we signed off the street is the best proof as to why drafting a punter is a terrible idea.
Don't want to go overboard on this pick because I don't expect anyone here to be able to break down options in the 5th round. But drafting punters is rarely a good idea if ever.
Like I said...im not dying on this hill.
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Depending on who MB is replying to, he's either improving our offense, or he's a depth pick.
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I think if you ranked our needs entering the draft, it's something like...
1. EDGE
2. WR
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3. Safety
4. RB
5. LB
6. DT
7. OT (could rise if we don't trust Becton)
8. CB
9. Center
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everything else
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I think if you ranked our needs entering the draft, it's something like...
1. EDGE
2. WR
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3. Safety
4. RB
5. LB
6. DT
7. OT (could rise if we don't trust Becton)
8. CB
9. Center
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everything else
Safety isn't a bigger need than LB or CB
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Safety isn't a bigger need than LB or CB
According to Salehs explanation of our defense he wants solid #2 to low #1 CBs and above average safeties. By my count we have 3 potential #2 CBs and 1 starting safety.
And also by some weird fucked up reason the “smoke” out there is that the Jets think their LBs are fine and their interior Dline was trash last year which made the LBs look terrible. If that’s not bullshit and is actually what the Jets believe (I couldn’t disagree more…) one might need to put DT at need 3 and S at need 4 and LB at need 6 where we are looking for a potential future replacement for Mosely.
I don’t agree at all mind you. I think if we get “our edge” at 4 and move JFM inside that helps with that a lot. But if Saleh disagrees we might be looking at a Perrion Winfrey/Devonte Wyatt/Travis Jones early in round 2.
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According to Salehs explanation of our defense he wants solid #2 to low #1 CBs and above average safeties. By my count we have 3 potential #2 CBs and 1 starting safety.
And also by some weird fucked up reason the “smoke” out there is that the Jets think their LBs are fine and their interior Dline was trash last year which made the LBs look terrible. If that’s not bullshit and is actually what the Jets believe (I couldn’t disagree more…) one might need to put DT at need 3 and S at need 4 and LB at need 6 where we are looking for a potential future replacement for Mosely.
I don’t agree at all mind you. I think if we get “our edge” at 4 and move JFM inside that helps with that a lot. But if Saleh disagrees we might be looking at a Perrion Winfrey/Devonte Wyatt/Travis Jones early in round 2.
From January to late April...i'm not believing anything a coach or GM says about anything.
All i know is, LB wasn't addressed in FA....and we're not going into the season just with Mosley, Quincy Williams and whoever is pencilled in at weakside LB (insert some random bum here).
As far as safety goes....Whitehead, Joyner, Davis and Pinnock is a serviceable group. If anyone thinks safety is a bigger need than LB, hasn't been paying attention.
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If we are a base nickel team, we should only have two LBs on the field in most situations. With that said, we need to upgrade the position.
I keep seeing talk (from Derek Smalls) about what we’re going to do at tackle if Becton doesn’t work or if Fant leaves…
CJ Mosley is likely done here after this season. We can’t keep that contract. We need to draft a player to learn from him.
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Yeah, on second thought, I agree, LB should be ahead of safety.
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i know there isn't an agenda but i think it's funny how nearly all media/analyst mocks have come to the conclusion that KT is either going before 4 or being passed by the jets and going to the giants at 5
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i know there isn't an agenda but i think it's funny how nearly all media/analyst mocks have come to the conclusion that KT is either going before 4 or being passed by the jets and going to the giants at 5
Mortensen basically said the Jets wouldn't take him even at 10. Yet we're working him out. So either the Jets are putting out a lot of disinformation or we don't like KT. I'm hoping it's disinformation.
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From January to late April...i'm not believing anything a coach or GM says about anything.
All i know is, LB wasn't addressed in FA....and we're not going into the season just with Mosley, Quincy Williams and whoever is pencilled in at weakside LB (insert some random bum here).
As far as safety goes....Whitehead, Joyner, Davis and Pinnock is a serviceable group. If anyone thinks safety is a bigger need than LB, hasn't been paying attention.
I don’t disagree with you. I think our weakest position group top to bottom is LB followed by RB. But the words from Saleh indicate they want us to fix the IDL because the LBs are solid. I’ve been predicting a smokescreen there the entire time to mask our intentions to draft Dean or Lloyd in the first, because aside from Solomon Thomas we haven’t done a damn thing for the idl rotation this off-season either.
But H is right, we primarily play two guys and we have two developmental wills that we seem to really like, I have seen no evidence that Sherwood is good, but they seem to be operating as if he is, despite the Achilles. I think we need two guys, one to challenge for time now and one to take Mosleys job next year. Theoretically, that could be the same guy, but that depends on Quincy Williams being a quality starter and Sherwood and/Nasirldeen making significant strides in year 2
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Mortensen basically said the Jets wouldn't take him even at 10. Yet we're working him out. So either the Jets are putting out a lot of disinformation or we don't like KT. I'm hoping it's disinformation.
Everything is a smokescreen this time of year.
I think that we are doing due diligence to figure out if we can work with him.
Whomever it is, I hope our edge 2 is on the board at 4 whether that’s Thibs/Walker or even Johnson… because I can’t see any scenario where Hutchinson isn’t our #1 player and short of him killing a man between now and next week he will be going top 3.
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Uncle Schrags is my guy
https://www.nfl.com/_amp/peter-schrager-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-bills-add-offense-chiefs-double-down-on-d
4. Thibs
10. Jameson Williams
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Here's a 3 round mock where McShay and Kiper alternate picks
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33761722/three-round-nfl-mock-draft-2022-mel-kiper-todd-mcshay-predict-top-105-picks-alternating-all-32-teams
4. Sauce Gardner (Kiper)
10. Drake London (Kiper)
35. Boye Mafe (McShay)
38. Kenneth Walker III (Kiper)
69. Bernhard Raimann (McShay)
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I would be floored if Mafe or Raimann are there at those spots. But it’s a damn good looking draft on paper if did that.
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Are there any players in this draft who you'd be pissed if were on the board at 4 and we trade back? Hutchinson maybe.
#tradedowntwice2022
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Are there any players in this draft who you'd be pissed if were on the board at 4 and we trade back? Hutchinson maybe.
Scoring a 2023 first rounder would be a win in almost any scenario for me, excluding passing on Hutchinson.
I've said it before, but I want two first rounders in every draft until we're positive we're set at quarterback.
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Scoring a 2023 first rounder would be a win in almost any scenario for me, excluding passing on Hutchinson.
I've said it before, but I want two first rounders in every draft until we're positive we're set at quarterback.
Trade Ashtyn Davis to Seattle.
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Scoring a 2023 first rounder would be a win in almost any scenario for me, excluding passing on Hutchinson.
I've said it before, but I want two first rounders in every draft until we're positive we're set at quarterback.
I think that's a big reason the Eagles made the trade they did, and I think it's really smart.
I would love to trade down from 4 or 10. Either would be a home run for me. Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are the only guys I would even have to think about passing up for a trade.
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I think that's a big reason the Eagles made the trade they did, and I think it's really smart.
I would love to trade down from 4 or 10. Either would be a home run for me. Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are the only guys I would even have to think about passing up for a trade.
How does it help us be better now? How does kicking the can down the road help Zach this season?
Douglas is halfway through his contract. He's done a good job so far, but if Zach doesn't earn another contract with us then Douglas won't have one either. Parlaying high current picks into future ones just in case Zach needs to be replaced makes no sense.
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I think that's a big reason the Eagles made the trade they did, and I think it's really smart.
I would love to trade down from 4 or 10. Either would be a home run for me. Thibodeaux and Hutchinson are the only guys I would even have to think about passing up for a trade.
https://twitter.com/vikesinsider/status/1516480385068290054?s=20&t=L3X4OAFs9iQwZsseKzzGaw
yes, i'm aware this is smokescreen season. But i could see big Joe fleecing the Vikes new GM.
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Parlaying high current picks into future ones just in case Zach needs to be replaced makes no sense.
It's not only just in case Zach busts. This is by all accounts a pretty weak draft. Selling picks in a weak draft for picks in a much stronger draft helps the franchise long term. What will help Zach more in the next couple years: Travon Walker right now, or maybe Tyler Linderbaum right now and Jaxon Smith-Njigba next season?
I'd feel very differently if we were trotting Zach out behind the 2019 line, or we had Jeff Smith and Ryan Griffin and Frank Gore as our primary pass catchers, or if we only had one pick in the top 40 to get him some more help. But we're overloaded with draft capital this year, and it's a weak year. It makes sense to push some into next season.
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It's not only just in case Zach busts. This is by all accounts a pretty weak draft. Selling picks in a weak draft for picks in a much stronger draft helps the franchise long term. What will help Zach more in the next couple years: Travon Walker right now, or maybe Tyler Linderbaum right now and Jaxon Smith-Njigba next season?
I'd feel very differently if we were trotting Zach out behind the 2019 line, or we had Jeff Smith and Ryan Griffin and Frank Gore as our primary pass catchers, or if we only had one pick in the top 40 to get him some more help. But we're overloaded with draft capital this year, and it's a weak year. It makes sense to push some into next season.
The QB class is really the only premium position class that stinks.
This is a very strong EDGE/LB/WR class
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How does it help us be better now? How does kicking the can down the road help Zach this season?
Douglas is halfway through his contract. He's done a good job so far, but if Zach doesn't earn another contract with us then Douglas won't have one either. Parlaying high current picks into future ones just in case Zach needs to be replaced makes no sense.
I'd rather trade down to acquire picks this year. Drop a few spots and pick up another 2nd rounder. There just seems to be a lot of players in the same ballpark talentwise, but no real elites this year.
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I'd rather trade down to acquire picks this year. Drop a few spots and pick up another 2nd rounder. There just seems to be a lot of players in the same ballpark talentwise, but no real elites this year.
See, people say this every year and it twists my head every time. "I don't want us to use this pick because there are no players I consider good enough to justify a pick this high, so I'd like us to trade down and get more picks later on where the players are also not so good but I get more goes" conveniently overlooks the fact that if there are actually no players good enough to justify using pick #4 or #3 or #10 or whatever it is you want rid of, then there's no reason for another team to trade up for it. In fact, if a team is willing to trade up for that pick then maybe you're wrong about the quality of player available?
Now, I know that's an oversimplification and that there may be elite players at positions we don't want or need to draft for (QB and T the obvious ones), but it's a truism that the earlier you pick, the better your chances of getting an elite player. Barring someone calling us with a big offer I think I'd still much rather get Saleh and hopefully Zach the very best players we can next week, and worry about next year next year.
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The QB class is really the only premium position class that stinks.
This is a very strong EDGE/LB/WR class
It's not a strong draft overall though. It's not terrible, but it lacks star power. There's a reason there are a lot more questions early in the draft than most years.
The WR class is fine, but I don't know if I'd call it "very strong." The class was better in both 2020 and 2021 on paper.
However, every team knows this, so I doubt we're the only team that feels next draft might be better.
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See, people say this every year and it twists my head every time. "I don't want us to use this pick because there are no players I consider good enough to justify a pick this high, so I'd like us to trade down and get more picks later on where the players are also not so good but I get more goes" conveniently overlooks the fact that if there are actually no players good enough to justify using pick #4 or #3 or #10 or whatever it is you want rid of, then there's no reason for another team to trade up for it. In fact, if a team is willing to trade up for that pick then maybe you're wrong about the quality of player available?
Now, I know that's an oversimplification and that there may be elite players at positions we don't want or need to draft for (QB and T the obvious ones), but it's a truism that the earlier you pick, the better your chances of getting an elite player. Barring someone calling us with a big offer I think I'd still much rather get Saleh and hopefully Zach the very best players we can next week, and worry about next year next year.
Nobody conveniently overlooks that. Everyone recognizes that you need 2 teams to make a deal, and someone else has to value that pick. That's why we couldn't get down from 3 in the Quinnen draft. It's also probably why we won't be trading down this year, but it would be great if Joe could find a way.
It's not really worrying about next year as much as it's maintaining flexibility. If we can trade down from 4 or 10 and pick up a 2nd-rounder next year, that pick could then be used for AJ Brown or Deebo Samuel or some WR.
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See, people say this every year and it twists my head every time. "I don't want us to use this pick because there are no players I consider good enough to justify a pick this high, so I'd like us to trade down and get more picks later on where the players are also not so good but I get more goes" conveniently overlooks the fact that if there are actually no players good enough to justify using pick #4 or #3 or #10 or whatever it is you want rid of, then there's no reason for another team to trade up for it. In fact, if a team is willing to trade up for that pick then maybe you're wrong about the quality of player available?
Now, I know that's an oversimplification and that there may be elite players at positions we don't want or need to draft for (QB and T the obvious ones), but it's a truism that the earlier you pick, the better your chances of getting an elite player. Barring someone calling us with a big offer I think I'd still much rather get Saleh and hopefully Zach the very best players we can next week, and worry about next year next year.
Assuming I have a trading partner, I'd rather have #16 and say #49 overall than just #10 in THIS draft. Now, if there is 1 player left on the board that is clearly in a different zone than what's left, don't move, take the pick. But if there are 4-5 guys still on the board of similar value to you, why not get extra players if the opportunity is there? It's all based on Douglas' draft board. Who knows what that is.
Of course you can't wave a wand and have a trading partner, but all that stuff is usually worked out way ahead of time with teams just in case. I'm not saying the Jets should start calling around and offering to suck dicks for trade downs (but if it works.....?). You're right, teams do move up for QBs, and OL, and those may be the best chances we have of finding a partner.
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Assuming I have a trading partner, I'd rather have #16 and say #49 overall than just #10 in THIS draft. Now, if there is 1 player left on the board that is clearly in a different zone than what's left, don't move, take the pick. But if there are 4-5 guys still on the board of similar value to you, why not get extra players if the opportunity is there? It's all based on Douglas' draft board. Who knows what that is.
Of course you can't wave a wand and have a trading partner, but all that stuff is usually worked out way ahead of time with teams just in case. I'm not saying the Jets should start calling around and offering to suck dicks for trade downs (but if it works.....?). You're right, teams do move up for QBs, and OL, and those may be the best chances we have of finding a partner.
Except the choice of players at 16 will be worse than the choice of players at 10. So take the best player for the Jets at 10 and make the team as good as possible.
We already have a ton of picks and we don't need to fill out the roster with rookies because of having a bunch of elite big money players on the roster. Adding more cheap players makes more sense when you're paying your QB $40M a year, your star wideout $25M and your pass rush monster $25M, and I believe you have far more chance of getting those players by taking top talent high than by trying to draft three guys on day 2 and hoping one of them turns into an undiscovered gem.
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Except the choice of players at 16 will be worse than the choice of players at 10. So take the best player for the Jets at 10 and make the team as good as possible.
Not necessarily. You only draft one player. If the Jets get to 10, and London, Williams and Wilson are all available, and they don't see a big difference in the 3, they could try to move back and get whichever one falls. Maybe they like Olave most, and they think they can move to 16 and still get him. If that's the case, then the choice of player is exactly the same at 10 and 16. You take on some risk that someone else takes him, but you're also getting a Day 2 pick for your troubles.
If you think the options at 10 and 16 are similar or the same, then the best way to make the Jets as good as possible is to move down to 16 and pick up another Day 2 pick, which you can use to get another core player, or you can use to trade up to fill a need elsewhere.
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Not necessarily. You only draft one player. If the Jets get to 10, and London, Williams and Wilson are all available, and they don't see a big difference in the 3, they could try to move back and get whichever one falls. Maybe they like Olave most, and they think they can move to 16 and still get him. If that's the case, then the choice of player is exactly the same at 10 and 16. You take on some risk that someone else takes him, but you're also getting a Day 2 pick for your troubles.
If you think the options at 10 and 16 are similar or the same, then the best way to make the Jets as good as possible is to move down to 16 and pick up another Day 2 pick, which you can use to get another core player, or you can use to trade up to fill a need elsewhere.
He said it better.
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He said it better.
#DoTheDitka
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Not necessarily. You only draft one player. If the Jets get to 10, and London, Williams and Wilson are all available, and they don't see a big difference in the 3, they could try to move back and get whichever one falls. Maybe they like Olave most, and they think they can move to 16 and still get him. If that's the case, then the choice of player is exactly the same at 10 and 16. You take on some risk that someone else takes him, but you're also getting a Day 2 pick for your troubles.
If you think the options at 10 and 16 are similar or the same, then the best way to make the Jets as good as possible is to move down to 16 and pick up another Day 2 pick, which you can use to get another core player, or you can use to trade up to fill a need elsewhere.
Except in that situation you're creating a bunch of risk of not getting the guy you actually want because someone takes him ahead of you, and all to acquire a day 2 pick which under this regime has netted us Denzel Mims, Jabari Zuniga and Ashtyn Davis. As I said, I think a team can be in a situation where what you're proposing makes sense, but I don't think we are.
Unless it's the kind of stupidly lopsided offer that can't be ignored, I think that selecting players as high as possible is the only right decision for where we are right now.
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Except in that situation you're creating a bunch of risk of not getting the guy you actually want because someone takes him ahead of you, and all to acquire a day 2 pick which under this regime has netted us Denzel Mims, Jabari Zuniga and Ashtyn Davis. As I said, I think a team can be in a situation where what you're proposing makes sense, but I don't think we are.
Unless it's the kind of stupidly lopsided offer that can't be ignored, I think that selecting players as high as possible is the only right decision for where we are right now.
I just think we need to accumulate as many quality players as possible, so I will always be in favor of trading back. 1st-round picks aren't locks to succeed either.
The Mims situation was a time it backfired. As the legend goes, the Jets wanted Van Jefferson and thought they could move back and still get him, and that didn't work. Granted, it's not like Van Jefferson is some sort of star for the Rams.
We also got Demaryius Thomas (RIP), Cameron Clark (RIP) and James Morgan from that Mims trade.
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How does it help us be better now? How does kicking the can down the road help Zach this season?
Douglas is halfway through his contract. He's done a good job so far, but if Zach doesn't earn another contract with us then Douglas won't have one either. Parlaying high current picks into future ones just in case Zach needs to be replaced makes no sense.
I’ve heard this narrative before and I don’t get it. If we traded 10 to say the Raiders for 86 and a 2023 1st I would agree that’s kicking the pick to next year and it’s not going to help us much today. But if we did the Vikings trade 12, 49 and a 2023 1st you could argue if we get a very good/not elite player at 4 vs 2 good to very good players at 12 and 49 that’s actually helping us more this year, and also building for next year.
We aren’t trading away 4 or 10 without also retaining a first this year, OR getting an elite player with that traded selection
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I just think we need to accumulate as many quality players as possible, so I will always be in favor of trading back. 1st-round picks aren't locks to succeed either.
The Mims situation was a time it backfired. As the legend goes, the Jets wanted Van Jefferson and thought they could move back and still get him, and that didn't work. Granted, it's not like Van Jefferson is some sort of star for the Rams.
We also got Demaryius Thomas (RIP), Cameron Clark (RIP) and James Morgan from that Mims trade.
He died?
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https://twitter.com/vikesinsider/status/1516480385068290054?s=20&t=L3X4OAFs9iQwZsseKzzGaw
yes, i'm aware this is smokescreen season. But i could see big Joe fleecing the Vikes new GM.
I tossed around that idea a week or so ago. Vikings are supposedly smitten with Sauce and know they would need to leapfrog the Giants to secure him.if “our” edge is gone, I’m all for that trade down. Get me more 2nd round picks in this draft.
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I just think we need to accumulate as many quality players as possible, so I will always be in favor of trading back. 1st-round picks aren't locks to succeed either.
The Mims situation was a time it backfired. As the legend goes, the Jets wanted Van Jefferson and thought they could move back and still get him, and that didn't work. Granted, it's not like Van Jefferson is some sort of star for the Rams.
We also got Demaryius Thomas (RIP), Cameron Clark (RIP) and James Morgan from that Mims trade.
So our trade downs end lives and careers? JE is right.
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I tossed around that idea a week or so ago. Vikings are supposedly smitten with Sauce and know they would need to leapfrog the Giants to secure him.if “our” edge is gone, I’m all for that trade down. Get me more 2nd round picks in this draft.
I want 12, their 2nd rounder and their 1st next year....
EDIT: oh...and David Putney
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I tossed around that idea a week or so ago. Vikings are supposedly smitten with Sauce and know they would need to leapfrog the Giants to secure him.if “our” edge is gone, I’m all for that trade down. Get me more 2nd round picks in this draft.
If Hutch-Thib-Walker go 1-2-3 I'd definitely be interested in moving down but I'd be happy taking Sauce ourselves.
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I want 12, their 2nd rounder and their 1st next year....
EDIT: oh...and David Putney
Oh we would absolutely be getting either a 1 or a 2 next year in that deal. Preferably the 1. But if they wanna give us a player at a position of need and 12 + their 2 this year and next im good with it.
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Oh we would absolutely be getting either a 1 or a 2 next year in that deal. Preferably the 1. But if they wanna give us a player at a position of need and 12 + their 2 this year and next im good with it.
They can include Justin Jefferson
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They can include Justin Jefferson
Justin Jefferson and 12 for 4 so they can select Sauce? I’m all in on that trade and watching the Vikings implode
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Justin Jefferson and 12 for 4 so they can select Sauce? I’m all in on that trade and watching the Vikings implode
I was kidding
But if Douglas pulled that off, I would have the most intense "vinegar strokes" of all time.
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I was kidding
But if Douglas pulled that off, I would have the most intense "vinegar strokes" of all time.
Oh I’m very aware. If the Vikings trade Jefferson for anything but a QB they have lost their god damned minds
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I’ve heard this narrative before and I don’t get it. If we traded 10 to say the Raiders for 86 and a 2023 1st I would agree that’s kicking the pick to next year and it’s not going to help us much today. But if we did the Vikings trade 12, 49 and a 2023 1st you could argue if we get a very good/not elite player at 4 vs 2 good to very good players at 12 and 49 that’s actually helping us more this year, and also building for next year.
We aren’t trading away 4 or 10 without also retaining a first this year, OR getting an elite player with that traded selection
Now go back to the start of this conversation and the point at which I said that, which was responding to the suggestion of trading out of 4 (Bo) to get an extra first round pick next year as insurance in case Zach doesn't work out (reuben).
I have absolutely no problem with trading a high pick for a top player. I have a problem with trading it for some kind of future promise of maybe there'll be someone better available down the line. We need better players right now, and Douglas, Saleh and Zach don't have the time to wait.
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Trade 4 for 12, 46, 192 and a 3rd next year.
Trade 38, 46, 111 and 192 for Deebo.
10. Jermaine Johnson
12. Kyle Hamilton/Derek Stingley/Devin Lloyd
35. Tyler Linderbaum/Safety
69. RB/LB/Safety/OT
117. RB/OT/WR
146. Something.
163. Something else
Also picked up a 3rd next year and Deebo Samuel.
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I want no part of Jermaine Johnson
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Trade 4 for 12, 46, 192 and a 3rd next year.
Trade 38, 46, 111 and 192 for Deebo.
10. Jermaine Johnson
12. Kyle Hamilton/Derek Stingley/Devin Lloyd
35. Tyler Linderbaum/Safety
69. RB/LB/Safety/OT
117. RB/OT/WR
146. Something.
163. Something else
Also picked up a 3rd next year and Deebo Samuel.
This scratches my itch
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I want no part of Jermaine Johnson
Seconded.
I would rather take Karlaftis, Ebiketie and Mafe. I just don’t think JJs going to be successful early as an edge in the pros. He’s got the athleticism but he stacked sacks against pee poor tackles and most of how he won isn’t likely to be replicatable in the league.
Can he grow and evolve into a better player? Absolutely. But that’s not a bet I wanna make
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Don't want him at 4. Would settle for him at 10.
Take Hamilton/Stingley at 10 and 12 then. Or take 1, trade down again, and get Jakob Dean and a Day 2 RB.
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We should not settle for a player.
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I hope Hamilton, JJ, and Stingley are off JD's board.
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I hope Hamilton, JJ, and Stingley are off JD's board.
I don’t. I just hope he has other players ranked ahead of them when we’re on the clock.
At least Stingley is an elite prospect. Johnson and Hamilton are not.
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I don’t. I just hope he has other players ranked ahead of them when we’re on the clock.
At least Stingley is an elite prospect. Johnson and Hamilton are not.
Nah..take them off the board. I'll feel better about life.
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We should not settle for a player.
There are a lot of guys I would settle for at 10 that I dont want at 4. Thats not an insult.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/maurice-jones-drew-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-four-quarterbacks-selected-in-top-10?campaign=Twitter_atn
MJD's latest mock...has the Jets trading 10 to the Saints for 16 and 19.
4. Sauce Gardner
16. Garrett Wilson
19. Boye Mafe
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https://www.nfl.com/news/maurice-jones-drew-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-four-quarterbacks-selected-in-top-10?campaign=Twitter_atn
MJD's latest mock...has the Jets trading 10 to the Saints for 16 and 19.
4. Sauce Gardner
16. Garrett Wilson
19. Boye Mafe
I'd rather pick Hot Karl at 19.
TIL Mafe will turn 24 this season.
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I'd rather pick Hot Karl at 19.
TIL Mafe will turn 24 this season.
I think i'd prefer Devin Lloyd at 19 (he was still on the board).
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I'd rather pick Hot Karl at 19.
Karlaftis should be the pick there.
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Karlaftis should be the pick there.
Agreed.
Sauce, GWilson, Karlaftis would be an incredible haul.
edit: now that i actually looked at the mock, Ekwonu would be the pick at 4 over Sauce in that scenario.
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Can't pass on an EDGE (whether it's Karl or Mafe) for a linebacker. We'd have a chance to land a stud linebacker at 35 if the first round fell this way.
I think we're going to target LB and DT in Rounds 2 and 3.
There's no reason for Douglas to use Top 30 visits on Wyatt and Winfrey if we aren't looking to go DT somewhat early.
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Can't pass on an EDGE (whether it's Karl or Mafe) for a linebacker. We'd have a chance to land a stud linebacker at 35 if the first round fell this way.
I think we're going to target LB and DT in Rounds 2 and 3.
There's no reason for Douglas to use Top 30 visits on Wyatt and Winfrey if we aren't looking to go DT somewhat early.
Seems like we will make a significant Day 2 investment in DL or LB. If the Jets really think that the LBs would be better with better DL play, then we need to address DL beyond just edge. Get someone who can make some impact right away and then play a huge role in 2023.
I still don't really buy the Jets looking at cornerback as a massive early-round need. Gardner at 4 would shock me. If they are in love with Gardner or Stingley, maybe I could see it at 10, but I would be stunned at 4.
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https://www.nfl.com/news/maurice-jones-drew-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-four-quarterbacks-selected-in-top-10?campaign=Twitter_atn
MJD's latest mock...has the Jets trading 10 to the Saints for 16 and 19.
4. Sauce Gardner
16. Garrett Wilson
19. Boye Mafe
Pretty cute that he thinks the Saints will trade 16 and 19 for 10. There is a 0.0% chance of that ever happening. That's too much for 4 based on the draft value chart, much less 10. Even if you're moving up for a QB.
The funny thing is you could also have the Saints give up 16 and 19 for 4, which I don't think would happen, but is more realistic, and the draft would still look phenomenal (Stingley/Neal at 10, Wilson at 16, Mafe/Karlaftis/Lloyd/McDuffie at 19).
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Pretty cute that he thinks the Saints will trade 16 and 19 for 10. There is a 0.0% chance of that ever happening. That's too much for 4 based on the draft value chart, much less 10. Even if you're moving up for a QB.
The funny thing is you could also have the Saints give up 16 and 19 for 4, which I don't think would happen, but is more realistic, and the draft would still look phenomenal (Stingley/Neal at 10, Wilson at 16, Mafe/Karlaftis/Lloyd/McDuffie at 19).
Based on him saying and a second, I summe he had the saints moving up for 16 OR 19 and a second
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last mock...this one includes a Deebo trade
(https://i.imgur.com/bd8ZoK0.png)
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Best mock so far
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/ubnz3j/the_ultimate_2022_mock_draft_makes_every_fan_happy
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Costello
https://nypost.com/2022/04/26/jets-nfl-mock-draft-4-0-top-corner-wr-to-go-in-first-round/
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Costello
https://nypost.com/2022/04/26/jets-nfl-mock-draft-4-0-top-corner-wr-to-go-in-first-round/
the only thing that stinks is Ojabo can't help us this year.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Xu8EB9r.png)
Alright I'm done, bring on the real thing.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Xu8EB9r.png)
Alright I'm done, bring on the real thing.
If this happens I'm paying for your mortgage. No, I can't afford it.
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That is the most beautiful mock I've ever seen
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NBC 5.0 mock
https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/article/nfl-draft-analysis/mock-draft-50-thors-final-2-round-mock
4. Ekwonu
10. Jameson Williams
35. Karlaftis
38. Pitre
Beautiful.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Xu8EB9r.png)
Alright I'm done, bring on the real thing.
Break out the Jergens
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Break out the Jurgens
FYP
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Daniel Jeremiah's final mock had the Jets trade up one spot from 10 to 9 with Seattle and take London while Thib still available.
Lol.
Hell, I don't know what to pull for anymore. I'm just gonna drink beer and fap to YouTube highlights of whoever we draft.
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Daniel Jeremiah's final mock had the Jets trade up one spot from 10 to 9 with Seattle and take London while Thib still available.
Lol.
Hell, I don't know what to pull for anymore. I'm just gonna drink beer and fap to YouTube highlights of whoever we draft.
I hate that
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I hate that
At 7 - Garret Wilson
At 8 - Jameson Williams
At 9 Jets trade up - London
I can’t see that early of a WR run. And I’d probably find a buyer for Stingley at 10 if I just waited even if we got sniped.
But just give me freaking KT at 10 in that scenario.
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It's all just fun, who knows what happens. He doesn't take mocks seriously, nor should anyone.
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It's all just fun, who knows what happens. He doesn't take mocks seriously, nor should anyone.
DJ always says his mocks are based on what he's "been hearing" so I don't love it. He hinted at the AVT trade up last year.
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Three different analysts on TheDraftNetwork have the same picks for the Jets in their respective final mocks:
4) Ekwonu
10) Jameson
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Schaefer on NFLN who is usually pretty plugged in has
4 - Sauce
10 - Garret Wilson
I standby the nobody knows anything thing and about 8:20 tonight when the Lions pick is when we will have any damned idea what’s going to happen
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I still think I'd be shocked if the Jets took Sauce at 4.
I think the cornerback stuff are smokescreens. I do believe the Jets like the cornerbacks, but I still would be shocked if they valued a CB enough to take one for this defense at 4.
The Giants have 5 and 7, and they've been linked heavily to Sauce, Cross and Jermaine Johnson. I think the Sauce buzz might be a way to try to convince a team (maybe the Giants) to move up to 4 to get Sauce. I even read someone say today that the Jets like Stingley more than Sauce. Maybe that's a way to try to convince Houston to just take Stingley at 3, since they might think they can take Ickey at 3 and then trade back up for Stingley.
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I don’t see us going corner at 4, either. On the bright side, either Sauce or Stingley should be a great player for us, but I think the CB class is strong enough that we can wait and just draft a guy who fits what we want later.
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And the Jets clearly devalued cornerback last year by entering the year with two young guys Hall and Echols. Now we're going to push both of them to the bench without even a real competition after a year? When there are other quality players available?
I've come around on the top 2 CBs. I think both are great prospects. I'm not opposed to them at 10 anymore because I think either is BPA at 10. But I want neither at 4, and I don't think the Jets do either, even if a lot of people are saying otherwise.
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And the Jets clearly devalued cornerback last year by entering the year with two young guys Hall and Echols. Now we're going to push both of them to the bench without even a real competition after a year? When there are other quality players available?
I've come around on the top 2 CBs. I think both are great prospects. I'm not opposed to them at 10 anymore because I think either is BPA at 10. But I want neither at 4, and I don't think the Jets do either, even if a lot of people are saying otherwise.
hear hear
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And the Jets clearly devalued cornerback last year by entering the year with two young guys Hall and Echols. Now we're going to push both of them to the bench without even a real competition after a year? When there are other quality players available?
I've come around on the top 2 CBs. I think both are great prospects. I'm not opposed to them at 10 anymore because I think either is BPA at 10. But I want neither at 4, and I don't think the Jets do either, even if a lot of people are saying otherwise.
100% agree. Hall and Echols showed enough to make other positions a much bigger priority early on, IMO.
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Schaefer on NFLN who is usually pretty plugged in has
4 - Sauce
10 - Garret Wilson
I standby the nobody knows anything thing and about 8:20 tonight when the Lions pick is when we will have any damned idea what’s going to happen
What's his top 3?
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100% agree. Hall and Echols showed enough to make other positions a much bigger priority early on, IMO.
We also couldn't stop the run, so CBs weren't tested much
Bryce Hall seems like a solid #2
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Cimini and Hughes keep saying Sauce is the likely pick. That would be disappointing. Hopefully Hutch is there so it won't matter.
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Cimini and Hughes keep saying Sauce is the likely pick. That would be disappointing. Hopefully Hutch is there so it won't matter.
Corner is a premium position, but I would rather have Stingley if we are going corner. All that talk about it not mattering in Saleh's defense is hogwash. Draft elite players at premium positions with Top 10 picks.
I really hope Houston takes a corner but it sounds like DE is coming off the board early tonight.
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Cimini and Hughes keep saying Sauce is the likely pick. That would be disappointing. Hopefully Hutch is there so it won't matter.
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Braddock has Cross at 4.
https://twitter.com/JaysonBraddock/status/1519770148156104704
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Braddock has Cross at 4.
https://twitter.com/JaysonBraddock/status/1519770148156104704
Colonel James Braddock?
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Braddock has Cross at 4.
https://twitter.com/JaysonBraddock/status/1519770148156104704
That would be devastating. I don’t think he’s more than a top 20ish guy. For a guy who profiles as a great pass blocker first, his feet are meh. I don’t think he’s a fit for what we want.
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Corner is a premium position, but I would rather have Stingley if we are going corner. All that talk about it not mattering in Saleh's defense is hogwash. Draft elite players at premium positions with Top 10 picks.
Saleh's system doesn't actually use CBs at all, they just put 2 scarecrows out wide
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Send the two 2's for Deebo, trade back from 10 to 19 or some excrement, recoup one of the 2's and still get a damn good player at 19. Profit.
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Send the two 2's for Deebo, trade back from 10 to 19 or some excrement, recoup one of the 2's and still get a damn good player at 19. Profit.
I like this idea....but we're still going to fight due to your Jameson Williams slander.
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Between Edge, CB, S, and WR, which position could be filled nearly as well in the 2nd round as the first? I guess I'd go with WR.
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Saleh's system doesn't actually use CBs at all, they just put 2 scarecrows out wide
We're going to draft Kyle Hamilton to run the coveted 4 safety 0 corner set
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Between Edge, CB, S, and WR, which position could be filled nearly as well in the 2nd round as the first? I guess I'd go with WR.
I’d go LB, S, CB, WR in that order.
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Charlie Campbell's final mock was actually really impressive, look at the top 10.
https://walterfootball.com/draft2022charlie.amp