As the one person on the hire Gase train, I'll be sure to bump this thread after the first 11-5 season.Mb will suck a toasted hotdog from your poopchute if that happens.
As the one person on the hire Gase train, I'll be sure to bump this thread after the first 11-5 season.
Mb will suck a toasted hotdog from your poopchute if that happens.
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And I'll be sure to bump this thread right after Trump builds his wall.
I don't think the whining of a bunch of perennial losers about how they didn't like how they were treated is a good reason to immediately discount him as a head coaching candidate.
One of those "perennial losers" is a guy by the name of Frank Gore who's one of the most respected players of his generation and is going to find his bust in Canton one day.
Sit the freak down and shut the freak up.
There is absolutely ZERO indication that Gore is one of the players that had an issue with Gase. Given how much respect he commands and the fact that Gase is no longer there, I'd actually be shocked if he was one of the people that ripped him anonymously.?
But you go on thinking that the Dolphins aren't an organization filled with perpetual mediocrity.
Although, in fairness, mediocrity would be a step above your next shitty take. Do you ever have a clue as to what the freak you're talking about? On anything?
His career has been built on riding the coattails of Peyton Manning. He's literally accomplished nothing else of note.
Rather than dignify your question with a response, I'll just rest easy knowing that at least my avatar doesn't resemble a rectal examination.
Hilarious criticism considering you've talked yourself into McCarthy. Gase dragged that shitsquad to the playoffs two years ago.
...You are aware this avatar was bestowed upon me by a mod, correct?
McCarthy has won 62% of his games, been to the playoffs nine times, made four NFC championship game appearances, and won a Super Bowl.
I am. You've definitely earned it.
Thank you for listing the things he was dragged to by a generational talent at quarterback.
If we all earn our avatars I look forward to yours becoming a whiny little queynte.
I'm going to write this off to the FO casting a wide net, and will leave it at that.
Wide nets trap dolphins, but only the retarded ones.
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MB would do that for a bag of peanuts.Honey roasted only, bundle of sticks
I'd rather re-hire Bowles with Rex as his offensive coordinator.
I'd rather re-hire Bowles with Rex as his offensive coordinator.
I'd rather re-hire Bowles with Rex as his offensive coordinator.
After the game, Dolphins head coach Adam Gase still seemed frustrated, especially when it came to answering questions about Tannehill's injury.
"I don't know. I think there's some kind of like HIPPA law or something like that. I can't talk about it," Gase said when asked about the injury that kept Tannehill from playing. "I don't know. I don't sit there and ask him all these questions. I just know the guy couldn't go today. All right? Go ask him."
Gase, clearly frustrated, finished by saying, "I'm tired of answering this question about this guy. I got it; but you know what, I'm over it. Me and him, we know that he's not right now, OK? The details of it, we'll keep that to us. You guys don't need to know that."
Tannehill is a bum but I don’t want this poopchute anywhere near Sam. “This guy”. Do not want.
He never should've been interviewed. I'm convinced we'll never have a smart FO.It’s just due diligence. Considering he coached within the division it doesn’t hurt to run a few questions by him. It’s not like interviews hurt our cap space.
It’s just due diligence. Considering he coached within the division it doesn’t hurt to run a few questions by him. It’s not like interviews hurt our cap space.
He never should've been interviewed. I'm convinced we'll never have a smart FO.
Why not?
Interviewing more guys jsut benefits us. Gives the FO insight on different traits to look for in potential coaches. Not to mention it opens the door as consolation prizes when it comes to being an OC.
Gase as a HC, probably not something any of us would want. But if we grab someone like Rhule who has little to no nfl buddies/experience i would be totally okay with Gase as his OC.
That may be true, but as fans we don't know what's going on...so the automatic assumption is that the Jets are actually interested in Gase, which would suck. If we had confirmation that Gase was brought in just to pick his brain, then of course i'd be more indifferent.
This is an important hire due to our QB situation. So i'm a little more anxious when it comes to this hire. This can't be fucked up on any level.
I mean we go off what the insiders say, and nobody has said Gase is on the short list
Unless I'm mistaken it would be very surprising if it wasn't Rhule Monken or Mccarthy
that retard Albert Breer keeps pumping Gase's tires....that's enough for me to clench my butthole.
I think that all bar probably Schefter and Rapoport have their preferred coaches (read: the ones who talk to them off the record) and are inclined to promote them accordingly.
why would media insiders have "preferred coaches"...they shouldn't care who gets the job.
EDIT: I suppose your post would make sense for someone like Josina Anderson, who rely on coaches for insider info. But i think people like Rappaport/Schefter have enough contacts that they wouldn't care who the HC is.
That's why I said except Rap and Schefter. Mortenson probably as well. Breer's a biggish name but I'll bet he still has his favourites, and guys who don't talk to him. The latter category getting a big job doesn't help him at all, so why promote his cause?
This reminds me of draft day when we were all scared shitless that Duff would take Josh Allen at 3 with Darnold still on the board.
Same here
I wouldn't even want Gase as on OC.
I wouldn't even want Gase as an OC.
For Mccarthy or Monken no. But someone like Rhule who is limited on his nfl exposure/friends list I think Gase would be a solid pairing. Dude has his issues but he's had success and with previous hc experience (and contacts) could be very valuable to a guy like Rhule.
Trying to plan my justification for hiring Gase once it happens. Gotta sunshine it somehow.You sunshine it by putting a revolver in your mouth and pulling the trigger
You sunshine it by putting a revolver in your mouth and pulling the trigger"I couldn't work out why my gun tasted salty but then I realised I'm crying every time I put the barrel in my mouth."
You sunshine it by putting a revolver in your mouth and pulling the triggerI heard once I pull the trigger, I will then become fully qualified to be a citizen of Winnipeg.
Depends, do you smoke a bag of indian ciggies a week and/or do meth and steal from people off the res?I mint my own lawn.
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Jets expected to hire HC Adam Gase, per me and @JeffDarlington.
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Gase and Darnold will be a great match
This is really underwhelming and we probably should’ve expected it.Hopefully the GM and VP of Player Personnel hire some good assistants for him.
We can’t do anything right.
Trying to look on the bright side....
- He has head coaching experience
- He's an offensive guy
- People used to think he was good with quarterbacks
- He had some success against the Patriots
That said, the more I've thought about it, the more I prefer Gase to McCarthy.
freak this organization. Only the stupid freaking Jets could ruin a franchise QBThat's about the only bad thing that won't happen. I trust him with Sam; I just don't know what will happen with the rest of the team.
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The Jets wanted to make sure they got the right person to help Sam Darnold — and Darnold believes they did.
I’m told Darnold didn’t impose his opinion on GM/ownership, but after speaking with Gase via FaceTime on Monday night, he personally felt like Gase was the right guy.
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One strong possibility as defensive coordinator for new #Jets coach Adam Gase is Vance Joseph. Joseph is still in the mix with the #Bengals, but he could land in NYJ if Cincy doesn’t work. Gase and Joseph where together in Miami.
such as this one
https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1083170973673840640
It was an exhaustive process that included countless discussions, but I’m told Jets CEO Christopher Johnson took a phone call on Tuesday night from an especially impressive reference who advocated for Adam Gase:
Peyton Manning.
Vance Joseph as DC is good. Vance Joseph as HC is a disaster.Adam Gase as a HC is a disaster
People hate the hire so much that I'm starting to like it even more. Sunshine sznHonestly, the more I see everyone hate it, the more I'm starting to not hate it. I still don't like it, but I wanted an offensive guy, we got an offensive guy, let's see if it can work out.
Peyton Manning as OC confirmed.Peyton hates the Jets. I hate this hire even more now
Just in quick googling Todd Bowles prefers a 3-4 scheme, but has coordinated 4-3 also to fit the players in the scheme. I guess we could see either depending on who is on the roster.
He's had good defensive backfields everywhere he's been.
Could have said this exact thing 4 years ago
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“Gase is an offensive guy”
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“Gase is an offensive guy”
Duff just hired his coach version of Hackenberg
mj2sexay either gets to be a smug freak or looks like a know nothing poopchute in about a year.
He apparently hates Kenyon Drake which I didn’t understand at all.
We’re fucked...
Players hate this guy. And we’re stuck with him because Duff and Christopher Johnson wont let Rhule hire his own staff?! How freaking dumb is that
I like this move because everyone overwhelmingly thinks it’s a bad decisionEverytime we like something it ends up sucking except for Darnold. So far.
Everytime we like something it ends up sucking except for Darnold. So far.
Everytime we like something it ends up sucking except for Darnold. So far.
It's true, we all wanted to bring back Kearse.Let the record show I was fine cutting him last year.
The FO not allowing a potential HC hire to bring in his own staff baffles the freak out of me....that has to be Darwin level stupiditySame old jest
“The dolphins didn’t have any talent”
lover of the older lady, have you checked out our roster lately?
Yeah and with about the same level of shitty QB play he finished with 6 7 and 10 wins the past 3 years compared to our 4 5 and 5.Howd that work for the dolphins and him?
At least we don't have Bates anymore.
Howd that work for the dolphins and him?
Howd that work for the dolphins and him?
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They got into the playoffs.And lost and he got fired after the team got notably worst.
We didn’t exactly upgradeThat isn't possible. Sliced ketchup on poutine with cheese dust is better.
Stephen Ross is a schmuck on the level of Woody, I don't give a excrement what he thinks. Gase finished with about a .500 record with a roster that sucked balls for most of his tenure with his starting QB never making it through the entire season healthy a single time.Yeah. I don't like the hire because I think Gase is overrated as an offensive mind. Every year, he said the Dolphins would play faster, and they never did. And when Peyton is your QB, it's easy to look good.
I'm not thrilled on Gase but some of these justifications for hating him are freaking dumb.
People trying to convince themselves Gase is a good hire is hilarious too.But he made the playoffs once! And hes mean!
This is a freaking disaster. No matter how much lipstick you put on the pig.
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But he made the playoffs once! And hes mean!
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https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sports-adam-gase-dolphins-jets-coaching-search-20190109-story.html
I'm going to choose to believe Manish, because I don't want to be mad right now.
And if this article is correct, Jamal is going to freaking love him and vice versa.
The fact that it's a Manish article should be the most damning point.I hate to admit this but that prick has been right about a lot of excrement.
Gase went 10-6 in year 1. So did Bowles. The difference was the conference had less 10 win teams the year he did it.
Whats the reasoning for the dolphins regressing the next 2 years after Gase making the playoffs?
Gase went 10-6 in year 1. So did Bowles. The difference was the conference had less 10 win teams the year he did it.
Whats the reasoning for the dolphins regressing the next 2 years after Gase making the playoffs?
I hate to admit this but that prick has been right about a lot of excrement.
I hate to admit this but that prick has been right about a lot of excrement.
Cimini is saying Gase will bring Dowell Loggans with him to be his OC
Poor Sam
Cimini is saying Gase will bring Dowell Loggans with him to be his OC
Poor Sam
Manish pumped up literally every single potential coaching hire to cover his bases. He is the definition of a complete hack
Who the freak is that guy
Who the freak is that guyDowell strikes me as name for a special needs kid
separate but equal seems to be the kind of thing this mj2 fellow would be into, if i'm reading between all the lines correctly
The wording is interesting. Most of the reporters say "as his main offensive assistant", not his "offensive coordinator", would that mean that Gase himself would be calling the plays?
The wording is interesting. Most of the reporters say "as his main offensive assistant", not his "offensive coordinator", would that mean that Gase himself would be calling the plays?Yes. This is Gase's offense.
I'm holding out hope, but I do think that he will have a short leash. He might get fired year one along with Duff if he doesn't improve this shitshow.
Wash, rinse, repeat. How do we get the Johnson family away from this team?
I think JE said it best. I worry less about the offense than the team in general under Gase. It's great that he wants these guys living and breathing football, but personalities clash sometimes.
I'm holding out hope, but I do think that he will have a short leash. He might get fired year one along with Duff if he doesn't improve this shitshow.
I think JE said it best. I worry less about the offense than the team in general under Gase. It's great that he wants these guys living and breathing football, but personalities clash sometimes.
I'm holding out hope, but I do think that he will have a short leash. He might get fired year one along with Duff if he doesn't improve this shitshow.
What does that record need to look like? 2-14 to fire them both? I mean the last 3 years are 5-11, 5-11, 4-12. How much more regression can we actually show? If he’s 5-11 in year one they could all argue progress is shown + year 1 in a new system.
Unless Gase starts gangraping little girls while DUI’ing, if he doesn’t go 1-15 I imagine he gets a second year
Try it the other way. How good does the record need to be for you to not be upset about the hire?
Try it the other way. How good does the record need to be for you to not be upset about the hire?
I like this move because everyone overwhelmingly thinks it’s a bad decisionThere hasn't been a Jets move this unpopular since we drafted Geno.
Why do you worry less about the offense? When has Gase run a good offense? His 1 year of calling plays for Peyton Manning that Peyton called himself?It's not that I don't worry about the offense. I just think he has more issues with head coaching duties than on offense. I don't know how he's going to deal with the NY media. It'll be interesting.
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It's not that I don't worry about the offense. I just think he has more issues with head coaching duties than on offense. I don't know how he's going to deal with the NY media. It'll be interesting.
There hasn't been a Jets move this unpopular since we drafted Geno.
Oh well...at least we have GoT to look fwd to in a few monthsAdam Gase directed the finale.
Ok so I’m failing to see any positives in this postIt's a bunch of "I don't know"
Ugh, I just read some of manish’s article, it’s worse than I thought it would be
Gase’s strong personality can galvanize a place. His bravado will be contagious.
His mindset and message to his team are pure. It’s some variation of this every week: We’re going to score 50 points and kick their derriere.
Adam Gase directed the finale.Dowell Loggains ends up on the iron throne.
Adam Gase directed the finale.
Dowell Loggains ends up on the iron throne.
#Spoilers
My feelings on the hire are well documented.
An article by Manish Mehta is my last justification for anything, whether its for or against. freak that guy.
Hackenberg thoSolid entry
Jon Snow requests a trade to Essos in the first hourDrogon is a healthy scratch in the battle for Westeros. Sources says he was 2 minutes late for film study.
Try it the other way. How good does the record need to be for you to not be upset about the hire?
Guys take a step back and breathe. Hasn’t coached a game yet
Hopefully we can look back on this thread and laugh in the future
Guys take a step back and breathe. Hasn’t coached a game yetI already am, but I've had 2 cups of wine.
Hopefully we can look back on this thread and laugh in the future
Also, tune into WFAN tomorrow at 10 AM EST. Joe Beningo may have the first radio aneurysm
I will hate this hire until i'm given a viable reason not to....and that hasn't happened yet.It's gonna be a long year for you.
I will hate this hire until i'm given a viable reason not to....and that hasn't happened yet.
I will hate this hire until i'm given a viable reason not to....and that hasn't happened yet.What number would you like on your Gase jersey?
What number would you like on your Gase jersey?
86’ed69!
@MikeFrancesa: Jet fans will hate the choice.
It's gonna be a long year for you.
Can't say I'm too excited about this. Not getting any younger here.
The only way this works out is if Darnold is so good that it doesn't matter who the HC is a la Brady
Wouldn't this have applied to Bowles?
Once Gase is exposed again and he ends up getting canned with Duff next year...the Jets will hire Mike McCarthy.And then let him pick the GM.
Time is a flat circle.
Once Gase is exposed again and he ends up getting canned with Duff next year...the Jets will hire Mike McCarthy.
Time is a flat circle.
This is the first time in 7 years I feel true optimism for this team. It’s good to be back.
You should probably check yo self before you wreck yoself. We still have to hire a competent HC
You’re not that lucky for this to be over that quickly.
We should have cleaned house.
We knew we were fucked when they came out and said the reporting structure wasn’t changing.
I'm especially hoping Gase works out now so I can see all the hot takes on this board next season
I hate that the Jets targeted Rhule and then wouldn't allow him to choose his own staff.
I also hate they passed on Monken, who apparently owned the interview process.
For a piece of mediocre excrement that's still basing his reputation for carrying Peyton's bags during one season.
how is that Dowell Loggains kool-aid tastin'?
Kudos to you for putting your opinion out there and backing it up even when it was relatively unpopular. Hope you’re right.
@MikeFrancesa: Jet fans will hate the choice.
These pretzels are making me thirsty
I'm especially hoping Gase works out now so I can see all the hot takes on this board next season
I defended Quenton Coples for years after initially being disgusted by the pick.
Listen, I’m sure I’ll eventually get around to defending/supporting Gase because I’m a Jets fan, but that doesn’t mean I think it was the right move. I defended Quenton Coples for years after initially being disgusted by the pick.
I do too. I know I'm feeling a much different emotion about this than 90% of the board, but
I frequent this place because I value the level of discussion about a franchise that has paid me back for a lifetime of unwavering loyalty and financial and emotional commitment with non-stop assrape (and other football and non-football related topics), so I'm not trying to lump the reaction in here with the normie Jets fan.
As has been established on other parts of the internet, and at home games, most Jets fans are freaking idiots. I could care less about this.
I don't think he was anyone's preferred choice besides mj. I just don't personally see why everyone thinks it's such a terrible move. There are reasons to think it might work and reasons to think it might not, but this is by no stretch the worst hire we could have made imo
I'm especially hoping Gase works out now so I can see all the hot takes on this board next season
I don't think he was anyone's preferred choice besides mj. I just don't personally see why everyone thinks it's such a terrible move. There are reasons to think it might work and reasons to think it might not, but this is by no stretch the worst hire we could have made imo
Like it or not, Gase is our head coach now. We can all vent about not liking the choice today, but I'll give him a clean slate here, and hope that he's as good as he was originally advertised as an offensive mind.
I don't love the hire, but what do I know? None of us has a clue. Nobody knows if Monken or Rhule or Gase or any of these guys will do a good job or not. I hope Gase is here for the next decade and proves us wrong.
AllbrightNFL:If you think Kliff Kingsbury "failed up" what did Dowell Loggains do....?
Benjamin Allbright trolling us and I’ve hit a new low point tonight
Loggains was promoted to offensive coordinator on January 11, 2016 when Adam Gase left the position to become the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.[11] The Bears struggled during Loggains' tenure as OC, with a November 2017 ranking by ESPN placing him dead last among 32 playcallers,[12] while the offense ended the 2017 season averaging just 16.5 points per game (29th in the league).[13] After head coach John Fox was fired, Loggains reunited with Gase in Miami, landing another offensive coordinator position.[14]
Rosen has Kingsbury
Darnold has Dowell Loggains.
Loggains is 5'6". I don't trust short people.
im depressed. listening to brand new to make me angry sad.Do you believe you’re missing out
By this logic, Darnold has Gase.
Every quarterback Gase has ever coached has played better under him than elsewhere, and that includes Manning.
Kliff Kingsbury on the other hand took over a winning program, but couldn't break even with Pat Mahomes as his quarterback in a shitty Big 12 at the time. I don't want to hear about how UT had a recruiting advantage when they were wallowing in mediocrity under Charlie Strong.
In fairness this is solid reasoning, we're freaking shifty.
By this logic, Darnold has Gase.In Kliff's defense, Texas will always have a significant recruiting advantage over Texas Tech, even if Texas goes 0-12 for the next decade.
Every quarterback Gase has ever coached has played better under him than elsewhere, and that includes Manning.
Kliff Kingsbury on the other hand took over a winning program, but couldn't break even with Pat Mahomes as his quarterback in a shitty Big 12 at the time. I don't want to hear about how UT had a recruiting advantage when they were wallowing in mediocrity under Charlie Strong.
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Jets fire Rex
Bills hire Rex
Dolphins fire Bowles
Jets hire Bowles
Jets fire Tannenbaum
Dolphins hire Tannenbaum
Dolphins fire Gase
Jets hire Gase
Do you believe you’re missing out
Everything good is happening somewhere else
But with Adam Gase as coach
The night’s hard to get through
No wonder the Pats own the AFC east.
Joe Caporoso is a no-nothing lady garden.
Every quarterback Gase has ever coached has played better under him than elsewhere, and that includes Manning.
agreed...but that tweet isn't wrong.Well, taking the Patriots coached worked for the Jets in the late '90's. And taking the Jets' coach worked for the Patriots for the last two decades...
The other 3 AFC east teams continue to shove fingers in each other's bums while the Pats continue to dominate.....it's the biggest clown car in the NFL.
So, let’s be clear, Ross himself instituted the philosophy the team operated under since 2009 and empowered people such as Tannenbaum who agreed with the approach.
But after the franchise’s failure upon failure upon failure, and an obvious inability to leap off the mediocrity treadmill, the message to change course finally hit home with the owner. The people advising Ross to correct course prevailed.
The owner decided to set a new arc for the Dolphins’ upcoming fortunes.
That arc, however, did not match Gase’s career arc.
Both he and Ross understood and agreed that if Gase remained, he would continue to try to win. Now.
That’s how it is for a fourth-year coach. You must win or you’re fired because fans aren’t going to be patient.
Gase had already planned to fire defensive coordinator Matt Burke and had a plan for replacing him. He also had decided that he would move on from quarterback Ryan Tannehill and sign a bridge quarterback and probably draft a rookie for the future — assuming he could identify the right draft pick.
And that’s a solid plan for a team trying to win.
But the Dolphins are going in an opposite direction now because that’s what Ross has been convinced is best.
So Gase no longer made sense for the Dolphins. And the Dolphins no longer made sense for Gase.
It was interesting that even as Ross and King Grier were having a news conference outlining the new direction, and even amid reports Gase lost the attention or respect of certain players the final few weeks, the coach was in his office on the second floor of the Dolphins’ Davie facility.
And outside his door were players lined up to privately thank him and bid him farewell.
Ok, before we carry forward in this thread discussing Gase as an offensive guru, I’m going to need a resume/business case as to why he is. I’m not trying to be an poopchute, I am seriously unconvinced.
Gase, who is about 6 feet 1 inch and 185 pounds and looks like the insurance salesman he almost became, may be the hottest coach in the N.F.L., having recently spurned two head-coaching overtures. Manning has called Gase “the smartest guy I know.” Denver Coach John Fox said Gase was “a master of innovation.” The team’s president, John Elway, went the furthest: He used the word genius.
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“As a junior in high school, he prepared flow charts, spreadsheets and broke down all the tendencies of our opponents on his own,” said Rich Hulkow, who was Marshall High’s football coach and athletic director at the time. “He was always in my office looking at film. He saved me a ton of work.”
Hulkow described Gase as “a typical high school athlete.” But it was his tactical skills that everyone noticed.
When he was the Marshall basketball coach, Dan Coddens once asked Gase to scout an opponent.
“He turned in an immaculate, exhaustive report with details on the opponent that were incredible,” Coddens said. “I was shocked that a teenager could do that.”
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When Gase graduated from high school in 1996 and headed to Michigan State, Hulkow, who had played there, recommended him to the coach, Nick Saban. Saban, renowned for wearing out his assistants, gave the 19-year-old Gase a heavy load of grunt work. Gase threw himself into the job, happy to be learning any part of coaching. Year to year, though he was still a student, his responsibilities increased.
Saban said last week that Gase had a natural instinct for football.
“It was a conceptual thing with Adam, he just understood how things worked and he was willing to work and start from ground zero,” Saban wrote in an email. “It wasn’t like this was a star player who had played a lot of football. He wanted to be a coach and he was willing to invest as much time as it took.”
In 2000, when Saban left for Louisiana State, the only assistant he took with him was Gase.
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“Adam is a lot like me in that he’s always thinking of how we can do something better or different — or both,” Manning said. “And he has an almost photographic memory. He can recall a defensive scheme we saw from eight games back and remember our exact formation and the play called."
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/02/sports/football/an-unconventional-path-to-scripting-the-broncos-offense.html
That was a good read, but it mentioned absolutely nothing specific about his scheme or playcalling with the Broncos. Cool background story and all, and I get that people say he’s smart, but what is his offensive philosphy? What type of plays did he call that were so great? What’s the blocking scheme? Crazy we’ve gone this long without even a mention of what he runs other than the genius offense. Read like a Denver Manish article.
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/26/durkins-playbook-breaking-down-adam-gases-offensive-schemes/
On the other hand, in his own words, he runs the worst offense in football: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/94988418-132.html
This is probably the most down I've been about a new NYJ head coach, but you have to wonder if Mike Tannebaum, Stephen Ross, and Chris Grier launched a smear campaign against Adam Gase after how things apparently went down at the end.Gase is an offensive guy. I don't think you can force an offensive coordinator on an offensive coach. Let him hire his guy. We hired Gase because we think he knows offense. Might as well let him prove it. Didn't work with Bowles/Rodgers, though it worked with Rex/Pettine for a while.
I would have been OK with Adam Gase as an offensive coordinator, but this is a tough one. Maybe he'll come in with a chip on his shoulder.
I understand doubting the Dowell Loggains hiring, but I'm cool with a head coach bringing in his guys. I absolutely hate that our management wouldn't let Matt Rhule hire his own staff.
Vance Joseph as a DC would be a huge move for us, but that's a stretch right now. Brant Boyer absolutely needs to be retained.
Gase is an offensive guy. I don't think you can force an offensive coordinator on an offensive coach. Let him hire his guy. We hired Gase because we think he knows offense. Might as well let him prove it. Didn't work with Bowles/Rodgers, though it worked with Rex/Pettine for a while.
Do we know who our defensive coordinator is yet?
The college guys I get: unproven commodities, would have been bold moves but they were huge gambles. How in holy hell does Adam Gase get the job over Mike McCarthy though?Over the last 3 seasons, who has done a better job, Adam Gase or Mike McCarthy? I would argue that the answer is Gase. The NFL was so different 7-8 years ago when McCarthy had his best seasons.
This freaking REEKS of 2019's most misguided attempt to find the next McVay, except Adam Gase has already been found and he's a dick.
This. My opinions of Gase aside, there is nothing in that article that should ease anyone's misgivings about this hire.Oh, I’m certainly not happy about this and I hate Manish as well.
I wonder how much influence a legend like Peyton has on an inexperienced guy like Johnson
https://twitter.com/MattOLearyNY/status/1083177861706641408
lmao
People who should've woken up with a brick thrown thru their front window this morning:
-Mike Maccagnan
-Christopher Johnson
-Manish Mehta
-Todd Bowles (just because)
-Dowell Loggains
-Adam Gase
I need to see some early positive returns before I get on board with Gase.There are a lot of teams with money. If players dont come here, there could be lots of reasons, and I doubt the coach is high on the list.
The first litmus test for me will be Free Agency...if the upper tier free agents pass on the Jets, we’ll know it’s because of Gase.
MAGA Karl
There are a lot of teams with money. If players dont come here, there could be lots of reasons, and I doubt the coach is high on the list.
Towel Logggins
Adumb Gayse
I prefer Bowel Loggains
Umm...i think the guy these players are going to play for factors in immensely. You don't think potential FAs will contact Gase's former players to get an idea what it's like to play for him? The players all talk to each other.Yes but...
Without trying to hyperbole, my opinion is that this is the worst hire we could have made. At the bottom of my list, I still would have prefered Kingsbury, Bieniemy, Richard. Just about everyone other than Caldwell. I won’t deny that there are some positives to the hire, but I just think there were much better alternatives available. I was super meh on McCarthy but thought he was a much better, much safer hire. I would have rather rolled the dice on Rhule or Kingsbury than Gase. Doesn’t mean I’m right, but I thought this was a dicey hire in a very important hiring period for our franchise.Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the hire.
Yes but...
A) I think this talk about how every player hates Gase is a little overblown
B) Monsy and playing time are the most important things, in that order. Living in NJ/NY also matters.
I feel like Gase is the new Geno. I dont like the hire but I'm not as inconsolable as some of you the more I think about it.
This hire is brilliant; Gase comes in to develop Darnold and then will be fired and 2-3 years. Then once Darnold is developed into a bonafide superstar, they’ll bring in new coach to finish the job and bring the Jets to the promise land. But I digress...
The hire comes with its fair share of concerns, namely his reputation with the players. How much of that is him being a no-nonsense coach and sending malcontents away? Were Ajayi and Landry a problem? Hard to say.
However Gase was hot excrement just a few years ago and he did work with the ill-equipped dolphins roster that happened to overachieve. He also kicked the Jets butts for three years, so there is that.
This hire is uninspiring for sure, but I’m willing to give it a shot. What other choice do we have?
I'm not a fan of Gase. But to me the worst part is having this reject as our OC. Get us a young up and comer not Gase's freaking errand boy from Miami
Gase's last 2 years in Miami were terrible offensively. Does the Jets FO not look at the stats? Or were they waiting for Peyton Manning's stamp of approval...which is freaking ridiculous btw.
Old Cutler, Glass Tannehill and Brock Osweiler is hardly working with a Porsche on offense. I'm much less concerned with him on offense as I am with him leading the team as a HC. That's the part that I'm concerned with. Hopefully he comes in and instills a hard-working mentality without pissing off everyone.
After some reading and a night of sleep I'm starting to come around a bit on Gase.
Still not happy about it, but there are some bright spots.
He's worked under some great coaches - Saban, Martz, Mooch
This leads him to being multiple in his offenses. Vertical vs west coast
He has head coaching experience and can learn from his mistakes
He's data led which is what we wanted
He's not afraid to call out disapproval unlike Bowles
While his offenses haven't been great he's always overachieved with the talent he's had per his record
Peyton has vouched for him on multiple occasions
He can be fired with duff in two years rather than 4
the one positive i have out of all this is that I wanted an offensive minded HC....well, we got one now. I thought we could've done better. The stink in Miami is still too fresh for me to say "well, maybe he's learned from his mistakes". It's only been a few weeks.
Duff needs to hit a few HRs in FA and in the draft for me to start feeling better about this.
Gase is the OC. Bowel is just a helper. Every team has behind the scenes offensive assistants that no one gives 2 shits about.
Not buying it. Bowles made mistakes for 4 years and never learned anything from the experience.And I want a 7 figure salary before the end of the year...
If the Jets are anything less than 9 & 7 with the best QB prospect we've had since Joe and all the cap space we have I want Duff and Gaze tarred and feathered.
I'm really pissed off by the way.
Yeah but Gase has to coach a whole teamWho says Mccown won't be the Qb coach...
And I want a talented OC who can dedicate his life to developing Darnold.
Is the towel boy really the best guy for that
I'd rather freaking utiilze Josh McCown like Tampa is Leftwich
How's everyone this morning? Anyone go off the ledge?
I do remember everyone liked the Bowles hire, so I guess we never know. Aside from McCarthy, most of what I know about the rest of these guys is from here, and needless to say my views often end up different.
Let's see what happens, some of these guys figure it out more in their second job. This guy did get Miami to the playoffs, which had only been done once this century. And that took Brady getting hurt and us giving them Pennington.
The Bears struggled during Loggains' tenure as OC, with a November 2017 ranking by ESPN placing him dead last among 32 playcallers,[12] while the offense ended the 2017 season averaging just 16.5 points per game (29th in the league).[ |
Also, tune into WFAN tomorrow at 10 AM EST. Joe Beningo may have the first radio aneurysm
Who do you think would've been worse?
I'm no Jim Caldwell fan, but at least he didn't excrement on his players.
When did Gase excrement on his players?
The 2018 Dolphins finished 31st in offense — the lowest ranking in franchise history
i don't have an approximate time for you. So let's say sometime last season.
I mean if you have a source to back up what you’re crying about, then you can keep going.
But don’t just spew off because you don’t like the hire. There’s plenty that can be used against Gase that is actually documented.
When did Gase excrement on his players?
I asked Gase why his veteran offense has had such trouble retaining information that he had needed to dumb it down repeatedly: “I don’t think it’s retaining information thing. It’s we’re not putting the work in. That’s what it comes down to. If you can’t remember, you shouldn’t be in the NFL. At the end of the day, guys have got to take this stuff home and study it. They’re not going to just learn it all in meetings. We’ve got to find guys to put forth effort and remember this stuff and it starts with our best players.”
How long issues with not studying? “Two years. I’ve been addressing this for a while. I’m kind of fed up with it.”
https://www.thephinsider.com/2018/12/31/18162804/former-miami-dolphins-players-taking-shots-at-adam-gase-firing-head-coach-nfl-fired-twitter
players don't make comments like the ones in that article if there isn't some legit friction.
There's another article i read somewhere where they said Gase isn't a level-headed guy, and his emotions get the better of him, which apparently affected his playcalling.
And i don't want to hear you say the players mentioned in that article are assholes. There's some respected veterans complaining too.
If it were one or 2 players, i'd ignore it. But it's not.
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article223482025.html
Things kinda tetchy around here today and no freaking wonder
https://www.thephinsider.com/2018/12/31/18162804/former-miami-dolphins-players-taking-shots-at-adam-gase-firing-head-coach-nfl-fired-twitter
players don't make comments like the ones in that article if there isn't some legit friction.
There's another article i read somewhere where they said Gase isn't a level-headed guy, and his emotions get the better of him, which apparently affected his playcalling.
And i don't want to hear you say the players mentioned in that article are assholes. There's some respected veterans complaining too.
If it were one or 2 players, i'd ignore it. But it's not.
Has anyone proven any of this was true? It might be, but our resident douche Manish says it's false. All the stuff about his emotions and playcalling, that's heresay. It might be true, but we'll see. Maybe he's learned from it. I'm sure he's aware of what he did that contributed to his firing and what didn't.
I'll say this, having Stephen Ross as an owner is not exactly a good position to be in.
Has anyone proven any of this was true? It might be, but our resident douche Manish says it's false. All the stuff about his emotions and playcalling, that's heresay. It might be true, but we'll see. Maybe he's learned from it. I'm sure he's aware of what he did that contributed to his firing and what didn't.
I'll say this, having Stephen Ross as an owner is not exactly a good position to be in.
How would Manish know what goes on in the dolphins locker room? He’s a puff piece artist that attaches WWF gifs to his articles in a pathetic attempt to get more bro likes
I keep seeing the idea that Gase did well with a poor roster. He had control over the dolphins 53 man roster. Not exactly an inspiring group of players.
Has anyone proven any of this was true? It might be, but our resident douche Manish says it's false. All the stuff about his emotions and playcalling, that's heresay. It might be true, but we'll see. Maybe he's learned from it. I'm sure he's aware of what he did that contributed to his firing and what didn't.Also everyone couldn't stand Bowles because he showed no emotion.
I'll say this, having Stephen Ross as an owner is not exactly a good position to be in.
Also everyone couldn't stand Bowles because he showed no emotion.
Now we're pissed because Gase shows too much emotion
Figure out what you guys want and get back to me.
I didn't sleep last night because of this hire. I'm disgusted with this team.
The only thing that's going to calm me down is this poopchute taking the Jets to the Super Bowl. I hate this hire (and I don't like using the word "hate").
Gase was literally last on my list, and he was only on the list at all because he is a person that exists.
I keep seeing the idea that Gase did well with a poor roster. He had control over the dolphins 53 man roster. Not exactly an inspiring group of players.
I asked a Miami fan friend of mine about his control of the roster. He said Gase had "control" but Chris Grier had final say over draft picks.
Adam Gase is the "You Don't Know Football" of head coaches.
Thanks for clarifying, I was looking over their draft picks earlier
Dowell strikes me as name for a special needs kid
Gase cutting Jordan Phillips and trading away Jarvis Landry showed what kind of control he had when it comes to personnel moves.
That Albert Wilson signing looked really good until he got hurt.
That Robert Quinn trade really sticks out. The Dolphins are going to release him. That might be out best option to add a pass rusher before the draft...
Just about every single Jets fan I’ve met in my life, in person, has been a complete retard. That’s why I’m here. You guys are the best of the worst.
There had to have been something behind the Ajayi trade too.
I keep hearing that Gase's record against us is some form of positive.
I have zero coaching ability or experience, and i could've outcoached Todd Bowles. So can we stop with that nonsense?
I didn't sleep last night because of this hire. I'm disgusted with this team.
The only thing that's going to calm me down is this poopchute taking the Jets to the Super Bowl. I hate this hire (and I don't like using the word "hate").
Gase was literally last on my list, and he was only on the list at all because he is a person that exists.
Did anyone else see last night the tweet that said Gase was the "compromise" choice? That half the front office wanted Rhule, and the other half McCarthy (I think, but maybe it was Monken), so they came to an agreement on Gase.
I was too furious and didn't think to save it last night and I can't find it now. If true, this might be the Jetsiest thing this organization has ever done. "I don't want that guy, and you don't want this guy, so let's just take the worst guy and call it even!"
I slept like a rock last night. Thank you Crown Royal.
I asked a Miami fan friend of mine about his control of the roster. He said Gase had "control" but Chris Grier had final say over draft picks.I found out about the hire because one of my buddies who is a Dolphins fan, and one who’s football acumen is quite well and I respect, txted me, simply, “Hahahahaha”. I had no idea what it was about.
His playcalling was hacked by Iranians?Algerians
True it's pretty close in sound to Darryl.Hahaha
If you can't sleep because of a decision your football team made, you sir, are a hoo-ha. Nothing any team does or doesn't do should keep you up at night. It's a damm sport, that's it. It's not life...
I found out about the hire because one of my buddies who is a Dolphins fan, and one who’s football acumen is quite well and I respect, txted me, simply, “Hahahahaha”. I had no idea what it was about.
If you can't sleep because of a decision your football team made, you sir, are a hoo-ha. Nothing any team does or doesn't do should keep you up at night. It's a damm sport, that's it. It's not life...
I really hope there is ZERO truth to this.
Did anyone else see last night the tweet
Well, i can tell you i wouldn't boycott football because some players took a knee during an anthem. So i guess i have that going for me.
Another thought occurred to me about this earlier: if we accept as truth the statement that Darnold felt that Gase was the guy he best gelled with and wanted to work with (which I think we have to do as it was a public statement and attributing things he didn't say is a pretty good way to pee a player off), then all of you screaming about this being such a terrible hire are effectively saying "Sam, we know better than you what you need".
Darnold met with all the HC Candidates? Come on
Darnold met with all the HC Candidates? Come on
You did?
I'll give you a clue:
99.999999% of things said on Twitter are complete bullshit.
Dude...Im bracing myself for Gase. I wouldn't bet on it, but I wouldn't be shocked.
Another thought occurred to me about this earlier: if we accept as truth the statement that Darnold felt that Gase was the guy he best gelled with and wanted to work with (which I think we have to do as it was a public statement and attributing things he didn't say is a pretty good way to pee a player off), then all of you screaming about this being such a terrible hire are effectively saying "Sam, we know better than you what you need".
no doubt. Twitter is mostly a cesspool of imbeciles who are desperate to show how uninformed and willfully ignorant they are.
I've had a couple of days to get used to the idea of a Gase hiring. As I told MBGreen a couple of days ago:
Although we had flavors-of-the-day like McCarthy and Kingsbury and Rhule, Gase's name was always the constant...the background buzz that wasn't going away.
As I think I've mentioned before, in 2015-16 most of us would have done cartwheels for Gase as HC. He was the McVay and Kyle Shanahan of a few yrs ago. He checks the boxes the FO was evidently looking for: young, NFL experience as QB coach/OC, NFL HC experience, respected offensive mind. His downsides (poor communicator, losing record in MIA) are glaring, but maybe overblown? Could any other HC have done better with that Miami roster? Maybe we need more of a hard-derriere, no nonsense approach? His QBs seem to advocate for him wherever he went, and his intelligence, passion and studiousness of the game can't be questioned. At this point we've gone over all his pros and cons in this thread haha.
I'm disappointed by the hire (I wouldn't necessarily say "pissed"), but I'm optimistic. If this is what was deemed best for Darnold, I'm happy to roll with it. I can see the perceived upside of Gase. I'm not going to yell and stomp my feet because I wasn't consulted for my expertise as a run-of-the-mill retard Jets fan. I wasn't upset when we hired Herm or Mangini or Rex or Bowles, and they all sucked derriere in hindsight. So wtf do I know. Gase helps QBs, he knows the position. Like everyone here, I'm only able to hope for the best and continue to root for this team, esp Darnold. It's hard for me to get too worked up and stressed out when I don't have a crystal ball. Also, I have bigger problems what with my full-blown AIDS and all. (jk)
I'm starting to calm down. I still hate the hire, but i'm willing to take the wait and see approach (i mean, what other choice do we have).
No, but it looks like I should have. Our FO doesn’t have a great track record.
no doubt. Twitter is mostly a cesspool of imbeciles who are desperate to show how uninformed and willfully ignorant they are.
I've had a couple of days to get used to the idea of a Gase hiring. As I told MBGreen a couple of days ago:
Although we had flavors-of-the-day like McCarthy and Kingsbury and Rhule, Gase's name was always the constant...the background buzz that wasn't going away.
As I think I've mentioned before, in 2015-16 most of us would have done cartwheels for Gase as HC. He was the McVay and Kyle Shanahan of a few yrs ago. He checks the boxes the FO was evidently looking for: young, NFL experience as QB coach/OC, NFL HC experience, respected offensive mind. His downsides (poor communicator, losing record in MIA) are glaring, but maybe overblown? Could any other HC have done better with that Miami roster? Maybe we need more of a hard-derriere, no nonsense approach? His QBs seem to advocate for him wherever he went, and his intelligence, passion and studiousness of the game can't be questioned. At this point we've gone over all his pros and cons in this thread haha.
I'm disappointed by the hire (I wouldn't necessarily say "pissed"), but I'm optimistic. If this is what was deemed best for Darnold, I'm happy to roll with it. I can see the perceived upside of Gase. I'm not going to yell and stomp my feet because I wasn't consulted for my expertise as a run-of-the-mill retard Jets fan. I wasn't upset when we hired Herm or Mangini or Rex or Bowles, and they all sucked derriere in hindsight. So wtf do I know. Gase helps QBs, he knows the position. Like everyone here, I'm only able to hope for the best and continue to root for this team, esp Darnold. It's hard for me to get too worked up and stressed out when I don't have a crystal ball. Also, I have bigger problems what with my full-blown AIDS and all. (jk)
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sports-sam-darnold-adam-gase-jets-20190110-story.html
Bunch of quotes from Darnold. Mainly rah-rah stuff, but good to see the QB on board.
“The reason that I’m so pumped is that I know — and I’m confident — that we’re going to score a lot of points,” Darnold said. “And at the end of the day, that’s how you win games. Obviously, people say offense wins games, defenses win championships. But I think at the end of the day, if you score more points than the other team, you’re going to win.”
I think the question we're all wondering, how is Jeremy Bates going to mesh with Gase?
I think the question we're all wondering, how is Jeremy Bates going to mesh with Gase?
I'm still as calm/angry as I was last night and will be for the foreseeable future.
I want to be wrong about Gase. I really, truly hope I am and I can eat some delicious crow with all you knuckleheads in the Canyon of Heroes in the next couple of years.
But I'm definitely not feeling good about this hire right now. As I mentioned in all the Duff conversations, losing another 2 years means the first 6 of Sam's career are a wash.
losing another 2 years means the first 6 of Sam's career are a wash.
You're going to have to show the class your workings on that one.
A terrible season for the team that wasted his obvious talent.
“I think putting him together with (quarterback) Sam Darnold is going to be a very good combination,” CBS NFL analyst Tony Romo said Thursday to reporters on the set of The NFL Today. “I think Darnold has some Peyton Manning-type traits. Adam obviously did a great job with Peyton and that situation in Denver.”
What is the basis for the comparison between the future Hall of Famer Manning and Darnold, who was 4-9 as a rookie starter?
“Spatial awareness and an ability to get through reads quickly,” Romo said. "I think (Sam) is going to be a fantastic player. I think he is going to make a huge leap next year. Some players have this ability I call spatial awareness: Instinctful ability to see leverage and get off a receiver when they are going through a progression far faster than other people.
"It’s probably the most underrated trait that people can’t analyze. They see running or movement or a big play. What they don’t see is you got to the fourth receiver in 1.2 seconds, not 2.4. That’s really the secret to the best players at that position. I think Sam has some of those qualities.”
I'm sorry, but how was Darnold's talent wasted this season?
Bates should have to fetch Loggain Oswalt's coffee all season.
It was a lost season on a team lacking talent in a lot of areas.
“I might not be as outspoken about it, but I’m definitely going to try to convince guys to see what they can do for us,” Darnold told the Daily News on Thursday. “If you can get great players and good players on your team, why not reach out and try to do that? I might not be as outspoken, but I’m definitely doing some work.”
Well, i can tell you i wouldn't boycott football because some players took a knee during an anthem. So i guess i have that going for me.
I don't understand this way of thinking.
We were rebuilding. Did you think Sam was going to lead us to the playoffs in 2018?
My problem is the fact that we're still rebuilding 4+ years into Maccagnan's tenure
You keep saying this but it isn't any more true than it was any of the previous times.
IT'S ONLY A GAME!
*cries about players kneeling while bowing down to Donald Trump Fathead©*
...where can I buy these Trump fatheads?
L
You keep saying this but it isn't any more true than it was any of the previous times.
Which part isn't true? The part where Maccagnan's been in charge for 4 years? Or is it the part where we're still rebuilding?
I’ve been holding a gun to my head since this announcement and I swear to freaking God I’m gonna pull the trigger any second
“His impact will be huge,” Jeffery told NJ Advance Media at NovaCare Complex on Thursday. “I think Darnold will excel. Knowing the Adam Gase that I know, and the potential the Jets are looking for, I’m pretty sure Sam is going to be a Super Bowl MVP. He can win a Super Bowl.
"Darnold will be an MVP in this league working with Gase. The way Gase works with quarterbacks, the next year and over the years to come, I expect big things coming from those two.”
We were not rebuilding in 2015 and 2016.
It started in 2017.
I’ve been holding a gun to my head since this announcement and I swear to freaking God I’m gonna pull the trigger any second
Cheer up. Knicks play tomorrow.
Alshon Jeffrey weighs in (sloppyfatz)
Ugh, stop posting puff pieces about Gase until I've gotten all my rage out. I don't want to get excited.I’ve got some more good ones but I’m not done slandering yet
The same place you can buy anything else.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DS9GEE0
My main question regarding Amazon these days is whether Bezos divorce papers were shipped using standard or Prime.
"Competitive rebuild" was Maccagnan's own phrase from the start.Fyp
I could forgive any missteps with one bad contract
i'm not active enough to know individual posters very well but i'm pretty sure every alio post I've ever read is some form of saying maccagnan should be fired for not hitting on one or two more 3rd-5th round picksYes
Are we expecting to compete for a wild card this year?
Are we expecting to compete for a wild card this year? I'd be very pleasantly surprised but very surprised all the same.
We're close if Sam takes the next step.Exactly. The idea on this board that we can't turn it around in one year is fallacy. In the NFL, all it takes is one good offseason and a quarterback to turn a team around. We hopefully have the quarterback. We have the resources to have a great offseason. Let's make it happen.
Like JE said, if we fix up our pass rush and our offensive line, we'll be in trending in the right direction.
Reading up on Gase all afternoon, he was adamant about building his defense and Stephen Ross meddled around and disagreed with his direction. Sounds like he had a plan in place for a quick fix in Miami, but Ross was content with tearing it down.
In three years with the Miami Dolphins, two as offensive coordinator, Clyde Christensen was never allowed to coach the QBs.
https://amp.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article224207715.html?__twitter_impression=true
This guy seems like a tiny bit of a headcase
So a few days later, I'm not as upset.
A lot of people wanted an offensive head coach with previous HC experience. Well, we got one.
He seems like the Dolphins version of Eric Mangini. Smart guy, great year one, disappointed after, and rubbed enough people the wrong way where he got out of there. They even had the same records. People thought each was a genius, then they were both gone quickly. Granted, Gase may have pushed himself out.
I hate to say it but Francesa's open today was pretty spot on with Gase if you want to be a rational fan.
The biggest questions are
- will he be able to deal with the media?
- will he be able to deal with the players?
- is he actually a good coach or did he just ride Peyton's coattails
The most important thing for this organization is to develop Sam Darnold. And it sounds like Darnold loves him.
Peyton's recommendation at least tells me that he is a smart guy who quarterbacks respect. He hasn't proven he can develop quarterbacks, but is not developing a 28-year old Ryan Tannehill really his fault?
I dont love his track record in Miami, and I preferred Monken and Rhule, but I'm giving Gase a clean slate. But he is also on a shorter leash along with Maccagnan.
And he also wont has as much responsibility here. Hopefully that means he can focus more on coaching and be better at that. He seems like a smart guy.
What I always come back to when teams make head scratching decisions is that there are multiple people in these rooms who make millions of dollars making these choices. They spend a great deal of time researching and analyzing coaches, players, salary cap, etc. There must be a solid foundation to these selections, not as if they taped 8 names to a dart board and threw the damn decision blindfolded
What I always come back to when teams make head scratching decisions is that there are multiple people in these rooms who make millions of dollars making these choices. They spend a great deal of time researching and analyzing coaches, players, salary cap, etc. There must be a solid foundation to these selections, not as if they taped 8 names to a dart board and threw the damn decision blindfolded
Gase is also credited with Cutler having a career year with him in Chicago but Cutler was absolutely freaking absumyal with him in Miami last year
Rappaport
New #Jets coach Adam Gase is on the verge of a big hire: Former #Browns interim coach Gregg Williams is in talks with Gase to become their new defensive coordinator, sources say. Things are progressing in this direction, and those involved believe it’ll get done.
Awesome. My very least favourite coaching staff - Gase as HC with Williams as DC. This is going to test even my powers of optimism.
I think it's a solid hire. I'm sure they are both assholes, but I don't have to live with them. Gregg Williams gets results and motivates his players. The head hunting thing was awful, but he paid his price.
My biggest concern would be him getting a HC gig and being gone in a year.
He's in his 60s at this point and doesn't have the best rep, not so sure he'll be highly coveted unless our defense is amazing next year.Pretty sure it will be a 4-3. It'll be interesting to see who fits where.
This could also be a catalyst to switch to a more 4-3 base defense, I think.
This would make the Gase hiring fairly exciting to me. If we ended up getting a real OC like Monken paired up with Williams at DC I'd suddenly be thrilled with the Gase move
As a defensive player, can you imagine going from the mild-mannered Bowles to the in your face, curse you out Gregg Williams? Talk about a culture shock.
“Gotta drop your nut sack in the C-gap”
All time quote.
He's in his 60s at this point and doesn't have the best rep, not so sure he'll be highly coveted unless our defense is amazing next year.
This could also be a catalyst to switch to a more 4-3 base defense, I think.
I'm sure Williams is going to love Trumaine JohnsonHe coached him in STL
Our OC really is just a guy. Adam Gase has full control of the play-calling, which probably makes the position far less appealing than most people realize.
I'm sure Williams is going to love Trumaine Johnson
Tru likes him.
“I loved him. He’s aggressive on all downs.
"He doesn’t play defense. He attacks the offense.”
He coached him in STL
I think so. We have the core pieces, they need help but add a pass rush, some extra protection and a weapon and we're absolutely in a position to be a better team than the Bills and Dolphins.
We're close if Sam takes the next step.
Like JE said, if we fix up our pass rush and our offensive line, we'll be in trending in the right direction.
Reading up on Gase all afternoon, he was adamant about building his defense and Stephen Ross meddled around and disagreed with his direction. Sounds like he had a plan in place for a quick fix in Miami, but Ross was content with tearing it down.
And a certain member goes a record 72 hours with no sleep, breaking his previous internet-cafe Doom tournament record of 61.5 hours.
Koz calls other people a hoo-ha but calls out people without using their names.Still awake. Confirmed.
#truebravery
If Williams comes here this is a game changer for me; hell, him and Gase will probably knock freak out of each other and kill Manish. I'm all in. Walt Michaels and Ewbank fought like cat & dog so maybe this is an omen.
Awesome. My very least favourite coaching staff - Gase as HC with Williams as DC. This is going to test even my powers of optimism.
Awesome. My very least favourite coaching staff - Gase as HC with Williams as DC. This is going to test even my powers of optimism.
Daddy MB is excite
Gregg Williams had more success as an interim head coach in Cleveland than anybody's had there in a while.
Having a guy that you know can handle his business on his side of the ball is huge for someone like Adam Gase that supposedly had too much on his plate in Miami.
Gase will give Williams the keys to the defense.
Ok Fire Williams
I’ve read that Gase’s OC’s main responsibility is putting together the weekly gameplan. I still think they should hire someone with a little bit more to offer Sam. Dalton Goggins resume screams that he shouldn’t have a job
Ok Fire Williams
I want to hate these moves. I really want to. Gase and Williams are probably complete assholes, and I don't want to root for assholes.
Then I sit here and think about it, and Belichick has over half a dozen rings.
We need assholes. Let's freaking GO!
Happy Friday!
Brady will retire before he faces Gregg Williams D you just know it.
I don't like the midget but at least the bulk of his career was spent on QB coaching
Did he do a good job in any of those positions? He was 1 year and done the 3 separate times he was an OC. What young QBs has he helped developed?
I get why he’s the potential hire, it’s just completely uninspiring. If we bring in a QB coach with promise, I’ll care less, but it could be a similar deal since it seems like Gase is the only one that coaches the QBs.
Just wait until we hire Todd Haley as OC
Jeremy Bates.
Jeremy Bates.Whats wrong with Jeremy Bates as a QB coach? Just because you aren't a good coordinator doesn't mean you can't be a great position coach... Everyone has different skills. Coordinator might not be his thing.
Whats wrong with Jeremy Bates as a QB coach? Just because you aren't a good coordinator doesn't mean you can't be a great position coach... Everyone has different skills. Coordinator might not be his thing.
If the front office is fine with moving him back to QB coach I'd be okay with it.
Whats wrong with Jeremy Bates as a QB coach? Just because you aren't a good coordinator doesn't mean you can't be a great position coach... Everyone has different skills. Coordinator might not be his thing.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it.Curious who convinced him Duff or the Toilet
Coordinator isn't his thing, and he told the Jets that. They chose to convince him to take the OC job anyway.
I'm not sure he'd want the job if it's true that Gase doesn't let anyone else work with the QB, but I'd be fine with it if the Jets retained him. I'd assume Sam would have some input there as well.
Curious who convinced him Duff or the Toilet
It's time to move in a different direction.
This is a fresh start for both sides of the ball.
Whats wrong with Jeremy Bates as a QB coach? Just because you aren't a good coordinator doesn't mean you can't be a great position coach... Everyone has different skills. Coordinator might not be his thing.
If the front office is fine with moving him back to QB coach I'd be okay with it.
Do you think this is a housecleaning? What about Boyer, do you think he remains?
Unless Gase is incredibly loyal to staff - which is possible if he really wants Loggains badly - doesn't seem like there's much reason to get rid of Boyer at this point
Unless Gase is incredibly loyal to staff - which is possible if he really wants Loggains badly - doesn't seem like there's much reason to get rid of Boyer at this point
I read a theory on Twitter, may have been Bob Wischeusen, that whoever the OC is will be nothing but a placeholder. It will be entirely Gase's show, and it provides security because if the OC leaves, the offense doesn't change at all.
That isn't a theory. It's a fact. That's why I don't give a excrement about Dowell Loggains coming here.
That isn't a theory. It's a fact. That's why I don't give a excrement about Dowell Loggains coming here.
Having Trowell Scoggins in the building still isn't good for business. He's dat dude that finishes the box of donuts before the meeting starts.
That's even better. Players shouldn't be eating donuts. No fatasses.
Bo Hardegree was the QB coach in Miami last year. Whatever a Bo Hardegree is will probably be the most likely candidate.
That isn't a theory. It's a fact. That's why I don't give a excrement about Dowell Loggains coming here.
Having Trowell Scoggins in the building still isn't good for business. He's dat dude that finishes the box of donuts before the meeting starts.
I want to hate these moves. I really want to. Gase and Williams are probably complete assholes, and I don't want to root for assholes.
Then I sit here and think about it, and Belichick has over half a dozen rings.
We need assholes. Let's freaking GO!
If there was ever a Jets coaching staff representative of this board...
Agreed, Dowell Loggains is a dead ringer for MB
Source tells me that Kris Kocurek (DL) and Frank Bush (LB) are expected to follow Adam Gase from @MiamiDolphins to the @nyjets coaching staff.
A former defensive tackle with the Seattle Seahawks and Tennessee Titans, Kocurek spent one year working with Gase in Miami. Prior to that, he spent nine years in Detroit as the Lions’ defensive line coach. There, he helped turn players such as Ndomakung Suh and Nick Fairley into All-Pro selections.
“@DieugotJoseph:Pumped to Have Coach Gase! With a fresh start & new mindset he will lead us to victory. Its a superb time to be apart of the Jets Family”
Who is Peugeot Joseph?
Pretty sure that Suh and Fairley would probably have become All Pros if they'd had me coaching them. It's not exactly a huge statement to his competence that he didn't freak up two of the most highly touted college DL prospects of the last 20 years.
Any coincidence they’ve both experienced significant decline since leaving Detroit? I think not.
Pretty sure that Suh and Fairley would probably have become All Pros if they'd had me coaching them. It's not exactly a huge statement to his competence that he didn't freak up two of the most highly touted college DL prospects of the last 20 years.
Also coached Cliff Avril and Ezekiel Ansah. 4 DL better than anything we’ve had in the same time span.
Am I saying these guys owe their careers to Kocurek? Of course not. But please don’t come at me with that argument that Todd Bowles poor coaching impeded our players development and led to draft picks busting but when other coaches do a decent job it’s due to the player’s talent.
Suspect it's more to do with the fact that they were both massive cunts when they left college and money only exacerbated it. I'm not saying this guy's a bad coach, just that Suh and Fairley aren't evidence that he isn't.
Why didn't you quote my last post?
Doesn't seem to particularly jibe with the "Adam Gase leaves the defense to his DC" narrative. If he's bringing in an experienced DC to run that side of the team I would have expected him to let the DC pick the coaching staff.
Gase without a hat looks like a serial killer. Serious case of crazy eyes.
Gase is starting to sound a lot like an offensive version of Eric Mangini.
Let's just hope he can evaluate talent in similar ways.
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His first few moves will be very interesting. He'll undoubtedly get rid of some players here.
Darnold, Herndon*, Enunwa, Shell, and Adams are untouchable in my book. If he can't work well with them then he shouldn't be here. Everyone else is fair game.
*Herndon needs to keep his nose clean. Still plenty of time for him to be a bust if the DUI wasn't an isolated incident.
Shell is untouchable? He's not even our best lineman.
Counterpoint: yes, he is.
Gase intro press conference today at 2pm EST
He better have Gregg with him or he can freak off.They’re letting in fans to the press conference...should be interesting
Gase intro press conference today at 2pm EST
I mean, it’s apparent that he had issues with a decent amount of players, but it seems like it was the lazy players, the players who were late, the players that didn’t study or care about the team. We need to get rid of those guys within this organization anyways
watching the conference now...Gase REALLY has crazy eyes.
watching the conference now...Gase REALLY has crazy eyes.
I'm starting to hate this hire again.
You mean there was a time where you stopped hating it?
watching the conference now...Gase REALLY has crazy eyes.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190114/177d9b84b8e3abcf2bb370d76ad4c366.jpg)“When u don’t nut and she stop suckin”
Yeah, I'm not going to get worked up over a goofy-derriere press conference full of cliche platitudes and indistinguishable from 99.9% of every press conference ever. Something so surface-level is definitely not going to affect my opinion of the hire.
If you want to be negative, you'll find something negative....if you want to be a sunshiner, you'll find something amazing and positive. It's a generic press conference and a nice way to kill a half hour or so for a Jets fan. Yes, his eyes are clearly bodies-in-shallow-graves-in-the-backyard level (and it's good for my campaign of his super-clever "John Wayne Gase-y" nickname)....but dammit he's OUR psycho killer now!
https://twitter.com/pftcommenter/status/1084897116034600960?s=12
Best one
I'm not worked up, and i get it that press conferences are 95% useless....he just didn't come across very well. He could be an offensive genius for all i know. For me, it wasn't a good first impression.Well his record with the media and PCs in general isn't that good, so I'm not that surprised nor do I really care about that. Rex had a great introductioary PC and we know well your opinion about him.
I hope he gets it done where it matters most, in the win column.
Well his record with the media and PCs in general isn't that good, so I'm not that surprised nor do I really care about that. Rex had a great introductioary PC and we know well your opinion about him.
Like others already said, it was a fluff PC like these things usually are.
Also, I dunno what Johnson pounding his fist on the table with "Playoffs or bust" mandate helps anything. I'm pretty sure if things still continue to devolve further some actions will be undertaken. Chris really seems to want to succeed and build a winner, unlike Woody.
all i know is this wasn't a slam-dunk hire, imo. The skepticism is very high.Totally agree on all accounts.
CJ really needed to get this hire right because nobody wants to waste time spinning our wheels with a franchise QB on the roster. I'm hoping for the best, and we'll see what happens...but let's not start any parades yet.
Totally agree on all accounts.
I didn't like the Gase hire either, but this PC didn't tip the scales in any direction on that front. At this time its more of a wait-and-see approach. Hopefully it works out.
Well his record with the media and PCs in general isn't that good, so I'm not that surprised nor do I really care about that. Rex had a great introductioary PC and we know well your opinion about him.
Like others already said, it was a fluff PC like these things usually are.
Gase's rep is for being a football super-nerd, and what I saw was what I expected: Rain Man but for quarterbacks and football.
Not exactly George Clooney charisma and charm haha. Winning will certainly help to overcome his social handicaps.
https://mobile.twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1084903276280270848
Wtflol
This is CJ telling us to GFY
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https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1084923386332106752?s=21
Christopher Johnson says he understands backlash from fans, adding that he still hasn't earned trust of fan base. CJ: "I think they will see, if not right now, they'll see pretty soon this is a great hire. I'm not trying to win Twitter. I'm trying to win football games." #Jets
This is CJ telling us to GFY
As he should
https://twitter.com/backaftathis/status/1084988670141186049
Lol
all you see/hear during an introductory press conference is fluff, but there was one thing i took away from today's conference.
socially there is something missing from gase lol, something is not completely right in your head if you've gone your whole life talking to people without knowing that you make those sorts of facial expressions or do those things with your eyes.
makes me believe a little bit more that the problems he's had with players were a little more on him than anything else. i really do believe he has no foul intent towards his players, but he probably says or does things in ways that would come off very offensively/rudely without him even realizing that he's doing that.
It's pretty obvious there's some social anxiety going on with Adam Gase.
socially there is something missing from gase lol, something is not completely right in your head if you've gone your whole life talking to people without knowing that you make those sorts of facial expressions or do those things with your eyes.It's probably why he always wears a hat with the brim really low.
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One thing I can definitely relate to Gase on is wearing a hat in all allowable situations so you can shield your murder stare from the unsuspecting public
Gase on Francesa at 4pm today. Say what you will about Mike but he has no filter on what questions he will ask and his interviews are always entertaining.
“Adam Gase is a quarterback whisperer”lol
Adam Gase: *whispering into Sam Darnold’s ear* I’m going to murder your entire family
Just my personal opinion: Gase is going to love Jamal.Did fatcessa say anything about his eyes
Gase says he is all about guys that buy in, make practices competitive, have swagger, “defend every blade of grass on the field”
Adam Gase follows the Best Player Available philosophy when it comes to the draft.
Jonah Williams will not be the best player available at #3.
Watch out for the rise of DK Metcalf.
You think Metcalf climbs into the top 3?
If it's true that he runs in the 4.4s and has a 40+ inch vertical, he could go #1 overall.
Metcalf is that good IF the medical checks go well for him. He checks all the boxes aside from the neck injury. The same thing happened to Mike Williams at Clemson and look what he's doing for the Chargers now.
6'4 225 -- DK is a matchup nightmare all over the field. He can take the top off and he can kill you in the redzone. He didn't do much at all over the middle, but that's not his game.
The Josh Gordon comparison is legitimate.
this post made me hard
6'4" 225lb black men give you an erection? Good for you. It must be tough to admit such things living in Winnipeg.
If he has 1400 yards and 15 TDs with Sam throwing to him, yes I'll have an erection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKBrGGhShDU
As goofy as he seems, he's smart as hell and it's a lot more interesting to listen to than most coaches (especially Todd Bowles).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKBrGGhShDUAfter hearing this you have to wonder, what the hell happened during the press conference.
As goofy as he seems, he's smart as hell and it's a lot more interesting to listen to than most coaches (especially Todd Bowles).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8blBaDAVhnY&t=41m27s
He acknowledges that he's not concerned with the intro press conference at all. "Did it help us win any games?" haha.
That interview was great
Can't wait to see him tee off on Manish Mehta and Rich Cimini.
How much longer will Tom Brady play?
Adam Gase: “I don’t know. When I wake up, I feel like excrement. And he’s older than me.”
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dolphins-reportedly-tried-to-trade-for-lions-quarterback-matthew-stafford-before-2018-season/
Gase speareheaded an effort in 2018 to try and land Matthew Stafford (JE's favorite player).
Luckily he's not our GM.
#FireMBGreen
You couldn't afford me anyway, peasant.
One thing I can definitely relate to Gase on is wearing a hat in all allowable situations so you can shield your murder stare from the unsuspecting public
https://mobile.twitter.com/nyjets/status/1110651575712780288
Love what he’s saying in this clip, but also:
He should try banging a supermodel, gets rid of the blahs.If there’s one thing I’m certain of in life, it’s that Brady is not freaking his “wife.”
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1084979227127033856
Relatively normal dude here with the hat. Can’t even tell he’s probably thinking about how badly he hates this other guy and this stupid interview and how it would be over so much more quickly if he just ripped his throat out
Whats Adam Gase's favorite formation??????
OFFSET I!
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Offszn workouts start 4/8
They start a week earlier for any team that hired a new head coach.
JETS ON THE JOB TOMORROW BABY
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828649-what-happened-in-green-bay
Required reading for those who wanted McCarthy.
I didn't want McCarthy anywhere near this team but Rodgers comes off as bad, if not worse than McCarthy in this.
the Gase hire looks better and better as we approach the season.
Reminder that his previous head coaching career features exactly zero success. Regardless of what has gone on elsewhere, his hire looks every bit as bad as it did when it first happened and probably worse now we've seen what a bunch of excrement he has surrounded himself with.
I still don't like the hire, but what choice do I have right now?
I usually wait for the games to be played and see the outcome before calling the coaching staff a pile of excrement.
Right. The thing that you're known for is your patience with coaches. We've always said that. "That MB, he's always so patient, always willing to give coaches every chance to succeed before reluctantly moving on from them." That's you, that is. Mr Patient.
I've seen Gase and Williams' coaching. I have every expectation they will fail. I might very well be wrong, and will be very happy to be so, but I'm not going to be all shiny brightness and light about a set of coaches I've stated were the very last people I wanted to see hired - in fact, much like you.
I just saw this on the NFL ticker. Gase should be fired into the sun.
He never should've been interviewed. I'm convinced we'll never have a smart FO.
I wouldn't even want Gase as an OC.
I have an idea...let’s hire a smarmy queynte that the players will hate.
100 million to spend and trying to convince FAs to play for this poopchute....Christopher Johnson can DIAF
Adam Gase as a HC is a disaster
This is really underwhelming and we probably should’ve expected it.
We can’t do anything right.
Yeah...i already said he wasn't my first choice. But i'm giving him a chance because well, we have no other choice.
So maybe you should sit tight for a bit instead of crying about it this early in the game.
You were right first time. The fact that the FO screwed up by hiring him doesn't mean we all have to sit back and say "well, I guess we were all wrong after all". That comes if and when he proves it, but right now I'm a long way from there. It was a bad hire then and it's a bad hire now and just for a nice big bonus the coaches we subsequently added were also bad hires, and all of that remains the case until they show that they're not.
Lowell freaking Doggains. Christ. Don't go making me pissed off all over again, I'd managed to put this excrement to the back of my mind and was planning to keep it there until I have to face the miserable reality in August.
Doggains is a maytag repairman....he sucks. Gase is calling the plays and tasked with developing Darnold. That's all i give a excrement about. I'm hoping it translates into wins.
It's too early to be taking a excrement on this regime. Let them fail first, and then pass out the torches/pitchforks. Nobody needs to hear this crap in freaking April.
Absolutely nothing has changed between January and April. No coaching has been done and no games have been played, so my opinion remains unchanged also. Leaps of faith are for Sunday mornings in the house of your preferred sky fairy, come Sunday afternoon I'm looking for hard evidence.And yet...you believed in Bowles right until this last season. Despite his trash coaching
And yet...you believed in Bowles right until this last season. Despite his trash coaching
We have to live with it, but we don't have to like it. I reserve the right to think that the new coaching staff is an awful pile of excrement that was and is my absolute nightmare scenario, until such time as they give me reason to think otherwise.
When are the Jets introducing Quinnen Williams?
They’re not. Most teams have a day-after press conference for their top picks at the team facility. (And I think every team does for a top-five pick.) It’s a great day for the player’s family, which has a chance to share stories about their son, brother, grandson, cousin with media looking to learn more about the player.
The Jets used to do that for at least the past decade under Rex Ryan and Todd Bowles. However, Gase didn’t allow it this year. Perhaps he didn’t want to single out his first-round pick over the rest of the drafted players. Perhaps he doesn’t believe that Williams has earned a press conference without taking a single NFL snap.
Whatever the reason, it was a mistake. He robbed Williams and his family of a special moment. And that is truly a shame.
This should be a non-story.
This should be a non-story.
Agreed.
This is the lolz sojf looking for the negative- real housewives-soap opera-level BS story that gives us a bad name.
Who gaf about a press conference to nitpick and bitch about? Here, i'll help you out with a Quinnen presser: "amazing man....man....man...amazing...its amazing...."
Happy?
On a related note....GUYS, I'M NOT SATISFIED AND I DON'T GET THE 6TH ROUNDER THAT I'VE NEVER hEARD OF FROM THE KNOW-NOTHING YOUTUBERS AND TALKING HEADS I WATCH!!! WHY DIDIN'T THEY DRAFT A PROBOWL CENTER INT THE 5HT AND 6TH???WAAAHHH!!
/retardjetstwitterandyoutube
I disagree, everything that happens with HC and player relationships will be scrutinized under Gase. And it should be.
I could care less about Manish’s drama spin on this “non-story”, but I would like to know why there isn’t a press conference introduction. I could care less if the fans want it or not, but if every other team does it, and we have for years, there’s a reason why it didn’t happen this year.
You can call me whatever names you like, and I’ll still be right that we hired an poopchute for a HC that has a history of players not liking him. I’ll refrain from returning the favor for now and wait to see how this all plays out.
I'll admit I'm curious about why as well. I really hope it was along the lines of Q not being comfortable and Gase having his back.
My fear is that Q was the center of what became the "Maccagnan on the hot seat" story because he and Gase don't see eye-to-eye on this pick at all.
If we're winning games this year and in the playoff conversation, i don't care if Gase shits on your lawn.
But if they're not winning, it's going to be really easy to point at things like a head coach with a history of players disliking him, who some of us literally had on our "Do not want under any circumstances" list, with a GM some of us wanted fired months ago, under a reporting structure that failed the last regime.
making something out of nothing
if Gase is truly upset about taking possibly the best player in the draft, he's not qualified to be a coach
the Jets didn't trade down because no one traded down, I would hope that an NFL HC is smart enough to understand that more than the average jets fan mongo
When are the Jets introducing Quinnen Williams?
They’re not. Most teams have a day-after press conference for their top picks at the team facility. (And I think every team does for a top-five pick.) It’s a great day for the player’s family, which has a chance to share stories about their son, brother, grandson, cousin with media looking to learn more about the player.
The Jets used to do that for at least the past decade under Rex Ryan and Todd Bowles. However, Gase didn’t allow it this year. Perhaps he didn’t want to single out his first-round pick over the rest of the drafted players. Perhaps he doesn’t believe that Williams has earned a press conference without taking a single NFL snap.
Whatever the reason, it was a mistake. He robbed Williams and his family of a special moment. And that is truly a shame.
The story here isn't that the Jets front office (whomever it may have been) denied Quinnen Williams a press conference; it's that the Jets front office denied the press (Manish) a press conference. It would have been a lay-up fluff piece that I'll bet every beat journalist counts as one of their easier assignments of the year. Gussying it up as some sort of sacrosanct annual rite that's been denied Quinnen's dear, dear Grannie is just Manish pouting.
You can call me whatever names you like, and I’ll still be right that we hired an poopchute for a HC that has a history of players not liking him. I’ll refrain from returning the favor for now and wait to see how this all plays out.
The story here isn't that the Jets front office (whomever it may have been) denied Quinnen Williams a press conference; it's that the Jets front office denied the press (Manish) a press conference. It would have been a lay-up fluff piece that I'll bet every beat journalist counts as one of their easier assignments of the year. Gussying it up as some sort of sacrosanct annual rite that's been denied Quinnen's dear, dear Grannie is just Manish pouting.This. Manish is pissed he doesn't get an easy article from a press conference. Who cares if Quinnen has a press conference?
This. Manish is pissed he doesn't get an easy article from a press conference. Who cares if Quinnen has a press conference?
I'm pretty sure Quinnen doesn't give much of a excrement.
Manish saying that Gase robbed Williams and his family of a special moment is so ridiculously over the top. He just got picked #3 overall in the NFL Draft and he's a guaranteed multi-millionaire at 21 years old. That's special enough.
Maybe he's being dramatic but he absolutely has a valid point.
You want the dude to spend his career here, make it easy for him to do so. From an organization standpoint that shits nothing, to his family it's probably a very special moment
He's already requested a trade.
Not saying that, but it could spell the difference between a honeteam discount and the dude following in Revis or Wilkersons foot steps in a few years, or at least trend things a certain way
If there’s one thing I’m certain of in life, it’s that Brady is not freaking his “wife.”
Right. The thing that you're known for is your patience with coaches. We've always said that. "That MB, he's always so patient, always willing to give coaches every chance to succeed before reluctantly moving on from them." That's you, that is. Mr Patient.
I've seen Gase and Williams' coaching. I have every expectation they will fail. I might very well be wrong, and will be very happy to be so, but I'm not going to be all shiny brightness and light about a set of coaches I've stated were the very last people I wanted to see hired - in fact, much like you.
We have to live with it, but we don't have to like it. I reserve the right to think that the new coaching staff is an awful pile of excrement that was and is my absolute nightmare scenario, until such time as they give me reason to think otherwise.
Does anyone has a quote or a sound bite about what Adam Gase thinks about our 2019 draft or any of the players selected?
This is definitely where I am at. I agree with SFD (Kill me) and JE (double kill me)
cant find anything at all. so he hasnt commented on the class, declined to hold a fluff press conference to introduce the new guys, has a supposed rift with our gm 2 months after he was hired....
why the freak is he like this? why are we here? ffs
I don't know why to suffer before the season even starts. There are some things that are not exactly ideal, but there's nothing remotely worrying yet. It could be a disaster for sure. It might not. We had Bowles, who did everything by the book and pleased everyone and was a freaking disaster. We had Rex who ruffled some feathers and took us to the AFCCG twice before going off a cliff. It's absurd to try to forecast what will happen because we simple don't have the elements to do it. Of course, it's a forum and it's the offseason, we need something to talk about, but IMO it's just pointless at the moment.
TIL Alio would rather have Jeff Fisher as HC over Adam Gase
TIL Alio would rather have Jeff Fisher as HC over Adam Gase
I'd rather have a beer with Jeff Fisher than Adam Gase.I'd rather split a case of beer with Rex.
I'd rather split a case of beer with Rex.
this is correct.
Why light the torch before a single snap has been taken? Give the guy a chance.
Having said that, because of Bowles and Rex i think Gase's leash will be shorter with the fanbase. From a FO standpoint, Macc will get canned before Gase does (unless they both do). There's no way Macc survives another coach firing.
There's no way Mac gets fired and Gase stays. If Gase is bad enough to get Mac fired, Gase is gone too.
I imagine it's pretty freaking rare for a HC to survive a GM firing. Rex was an exception because he lead this franchise to two of its greatest seasons of all time, not to mention was the ultimate performer
You need to be serially killed at this point because I'm on the same page with SFD and JE as well.
Right.
Basically, the only piece of "news" we have regarding Gase and the draft is the rumor that he is trying to oust Maccagnan.
Should this be NBD? Sure. The question is whether this an isolated thing or a symptom of a larger issue. Gase has a history of players disliking him--publicly. Even at their worst did anyone hear players directly complain about Rex or Bowles? Nope.
Where there's smoke, there tends to be fire.
Sure, we'll assume that I didn't mean of all the people that were in consideration for HC of the Jets, and just assume I meant every single human that isn't Adam Gase.
But that would be ridiculous because there is a single person on the entire planet I wouldn't want as head coach more than Adam Gase. Donald Trump.
i think you need to relax, Alio. Usually people wait to see what a coach does for their team before they overreact like this.
i think you need to relax, Alio. Usually people wait to see what a coach does for their team before they overreact like this.
You should tell MB from 4 months ago that, you can find him at the beginning of this thread.
You should tell MB from 4 months ago that, you can find him at the beginning of this thread.
You should tell MB from 4 months ago that, you can find him at the beginning of this thread.
Lol, I just went back and started reading this thread's first page. The only one who wanted this guy was mj2sexay. MB wanted to "fire him into the sun."
Late December/early January MB is always my favorite MB. Certainly the most quotable.
Taking the wait and see approach seems to be the logical choice.
I know you hate that i was right about Bowles, Rex, Tannenbaum and the Revis trade...but these are the trials and tribulations i must go through to make you a smarter fan.
Until you pass 50. Then it's wait, see and figure out how much longer you have to live.
You were right about Bowles, wrong about the rest, .250 would make you a decent living if you could hit a baseball.
You were right about Bowles, wrong about the rest, .250 would make you a decent living if you could hit a baseball.
You have seen the Jets suck for so long you actually think the pure excrement that MB listed were good. GTFO. Tannenbaum and Rex sucked, absolutely sucked. Yippee 2 good years in 25 doesn't make for a good FO. If I wanted to wreck a team I would hire Tannenbaum and Rex today, they are both complete train wrecks and the living definition of the Peter Principle.
Sure, we'll assume that I didn't mean of all the people that were in consideration for HC of the Jets, and just assume I meant every single human that isn't Adam Gase.
But that would be ridiculous because there is a single person on the entire planet I wouldn't want as head coach more than Adam Gase. Donald Trump.
EDIT: Going back to what I wrote, I said Gase was the last guy in the entire sport I wanted, and I was being hyperbolic but you know what, I'll stick by it. Would I take Fisher over Gase? Technically, he's not part of the sport right now, so I could weasel out that way, but nah, I'll just dig in on this one. I'd take him over Gase. Until Gase proves himself a capable head coach, I'm not happy with his hiring.
Weren't you the one that used to excrement on Cashman?
So glad you're not in the Gase camp considering how wrong you are about everything else, I would think its a surefire signal that we're going 11-5.
You have seen the Jets suck for so long you actually think the pure excrement that MB listed were good. GTFO. Tannenbaum and Rex sucked, absolutely sucked. Yippee 2 good years in 25 doesn't make for a good FO. If I wanted to wreck a team I would hire Tannenbaum and Rex today, they are both complete train wrecks and the living definition of the Peter Principle.
Batting .250 might be ok for the National League....but shitty baseball is prominent in that league.
They weren't here for 25 years. They were here together for four, two of which we made the AFC Championship Game. excrement on that if you want to but it's the best two year run in our history.
Nobody cares about the AFCCG, especially the losing teams.
I said it would make you some money. If you hit .250 and you're not athletic enough to play the field you can still get a job in the AL.
Especially when it blows up your argument.
Good thing we've moved on to 5-11 and 4-12 every year. #Improvement
Yeah because he wasn't my first, second or third choice. But here we are...that's part of being a fan of this franchise.
Taking the wait and see approach seems to be the logical choice.
As I've said, I'm stuck with the guy, so I've got to hope he works out. And I do hope he works out. I hate losing. If you could guarantee me that he's going to win the Super Bowl, I'd wholeheartedly embrace him as head coach. Hell, if you guarantee me a Super Bowl win, I'd embrace Donald Trump.
But I don't think he will. I think he's going to set this franchise back. When Bowles and Rex were hired, I wasn't a big fan of hiring yet another defensive coach, but I gave them both a chance for two reasons:
1) Both came with a good pedigree of coaching their previous units really well and being well liked
2) Neither time did this team have a franchise QB in place
Gase's coaching history is letting Peyton Manning lead an offense to the Super Bowl. That, and at his last job, he had players come out publicly to bad mouth him, again, something not a single player did under Rex or Bowles even at their worst.
If it takes 3 years to discover that Gase is garbage, Darnold's rookie deal will be expiring a year into yet another new regime. You can wait patiently if you want to, but I want to see results before investing this time.
why do you have to embrace him... Is taking a wait & see approach that difficult to grasp?
We've wasted a 2nd contract on Rex Ryan, which he used to run the team into the ground. Then we wasted another 4 years on Bowles. So i get the impatience narrative. I want to win too.
But i want to see what Gase does with this team. I don't even know what to expect because we haven't had an offense-minded HC in 25+ years. If he shits the bed, then fine....I'm with you guys. I'm not ready to put the cart before the horse though.
Sure, he wasn't great in Miami, but there were mitigating factors (injuries for one)... he sure knew how to beat the nyjets though.
We finally have a franchise QB too. Lets see what the product looks like on the field first before we start condemning it.
Gase's history tells us that his players will tweet out nice things about him and lobby for him so he can get jobs
you're deciding to selectively believe nonsense
if you had anything gase has said or done since being hired to complain about other than "maybe gase decided to cancel QW's press conference because the evil in his heart feeds on seeing disappointment in the eyes of young men" you could have a better argument
he sure knew how to beat the nyjets though.
Gase's history tells us that his players will tweet out nice things about him and lobby for him so he can get jobsMC gets it
you're deciding to selectively believe nonsense
if you had anything gase has said or done since being hired to complain about other than "maybe gase decided to cancel QW's press conference because the evil in his heart feeds on seeing disappointment in the eyes of young men" you could have a better argument
This is literally the least useful skill he could have in his current job.
No matter how many guys come to Gase's defense, there have been players who publicly spoke against him. Whenever "anonymous" sources say anything, everyone wants to know why no one put their name on it. Guys did with Gase.
I know you hate that i was right about Bowles, Rex, Tannenbaum and the Revis trade...but these are the trials and tribulations i must go through to make you a smarter fan.
I thought he was a world class dickweed based on just about every dolphins fan opinion that I saw. There was a lot of speculation that he lost the locker room and the team gave up on him in the final weeks of the season. Again, from what I saw, most Dolphins fans celebrated his firing.
Does that mean any of what I saw was correct? No. My opinion on Gase had nothing to do with me wanting to dislike him because I’m a Jets fan though.
You also referred to John Idzik as "Idzik da God" in a non-ironic fashion for quite some time, so don't let's just cherrypick the excrement you claim to have been right about. And while most of us are in agreement that Rex and Tanny wore out their welcome, let's also not get all revisionist about '09 and '10 and pretend like they weren't freaking awesome times when Brady and Peyton were actually losing to us in games that mattered. You sure as freak weren't calling for Rex and Tanny's heads then.
I think Alio's maybe going a bit further than I am, but it's not unreasonable to maintain the same view of Gase that was held prior to his employment with the Jets until such time as he gives us a good reason to change it. As of now he remains the same weird poopchute who achieved nothing with Miami and is proven to not play nicely with others, and while your position of putting aside your prior dislike of him is perfectly reasonable, it doesn't mean that those of us not willing to do so are suddenly some kind of fruitcakes.
I thought he was a world class dickweed based on just about every dolphins fan opinion that I saw. There was a lot of speculation that he lost the locker room and the team gave up on him in the final weeks of the season. Again, from what I saw, most Dolphins fans celebrated his firing.
Does that mean any of what I saw was correct? No. My opinion on Gase had nothing to do with me wanting to dislike him because I’m a Jets fan though.
Bingo.
I admittedly got a bit hyperbolic last week over this, but so far, Adam Gase has done absolutely nothing to prove to me he was a solid, much less good, hire. Until he does, no, I will not just go all-in on blind faith. Hope? Sure. But not faith.
Gase also hasn't done anything to prove otherwise either...because OTAs, TC or the regular season haven't started yet. And before you cite his tenure with Miami as part of your argument, let me remind you HCs like Belichick/Carroll were trash before NWE and SEA hired them respectively.
FTR, i'm not defending Gase. I don't know what we have with him yet, so what's the point in throwing him under the bus...in freaking May.
I still don't see the comparison between Trump and Gase.
Did any of the comments from the two shitty players who said they didn't like Gase imply that he was an ineffectual, racist, sexual predator?
Is there any evidence that he became the Jets HC via treason?
this is a strange comp to keep harping on
I still don't see the comparison between Trump and Gase.
Did any of the comments from the two shitty players who said they didn't like Gase imply that he was an ineffectual, racist, sexual predator?
Is there any evidence that he became the Jets HC via treason?
this is a strange comp to keep harping on
I agree, it's really nonsensical to compare Adam Gase to Trump. Gase had a losing record, Trump lost 1.2 billion dollars in under 10 years. Not at all the same thing.
Alio is doing the world a disservice by normalizing such a failure with comparisons to sportsball coaches.
The Jets starting offense (minus Le'Veon Bell) has run two drives this preseason:
* Almost exclusively no huddle
* Almost all up tempo
* 11 personnel usage (Anderson, Enunwa, Crowder at WR and Herndon at TE)
* Two TD drives (75 yards and 66 yards)
* Sam Darnold razor sharp
In two games, the #Jets have gone no-huddle on 11 of 23 plays with Sam Darnold taking snaps (48%). They scored TDs on two of his four drives.
NY went no-huddle on 4% of plays last year, and Adam Gase’s #Dolphins used it on 15% of snaps.
https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/1168861032577560576?s=21
Here we see clear evidence of why 24 hour coverage of a single sport is a bad idea, you end up having to fill airtime with idiocy like this. Anyone who has studied the most very basic elements of body language will be able to explain why this is complete garbage.Or you're just taking this way too seriously.
Or you're just taking this way too seriously.
I was about as skeptical as anyone when they hired Gase, but it’s starting to feel like they are finally getting things right in Florham Park.Remember, every Jets coach in Year 1 is great. I'm buying into the Gase hype just like everyone else, but it's worth remembering that every Jets coach provides good feelings in Year 1, whether it's Parcells leading an 8-game turnaround or Herm leading us to the playoffs, or Mangini showing up on the Sopranos, or Rex telling everyone we're going to the freaking Super Bowl and nearly getting it done, or Bowles leading us to 10 wins.
Between Gase, Douglas, Chris Johnson, new team president, etc… It just feels like the Jets are finally making a lot of the right moves.
Haven’t had this kind of excitement going into the season in a long time.
Remember, every Jets coach in Year 1 is great. I'm buying into the Gase hype just like everyone else, but it's worth remembering that every Jets coach provides good feelings in Year 1, whether it's Parcells leading an 8-game turnaround or Herm leading us to the playoffs, or Mangini showing up on the Sopranos, or Rex telling everyone we're going to the freaking Super Bowl and nearly getting it done, or Bowles leading us to 10 wins.
This is the most excited I've been going into a season in a long time, but to me, Darnold is the biggest reason why. That said, I love having an offensive-minded head coach. It's very refreshing.
Remember, every Jets coach in Year 1 is great. I'm buying into the Gase hype just like everyone else, but it's worth remembering that every Jets coach provides good feelings in Year 1, whether it's Parcells leading an 8-game turnaround or Herm leading us to the playoffs, or Mangini showing up on the Sopranos, or Rex telling everyone we're going to the freaking Super Bowl and nearly getting it done, or Bowles leading us to 10 wins.
This is the most excited I've been going into a season in a long time, but to me, Darnold is the biggest reason why. That said, I love having an offensive-minded head coach. It's very refreshing.
Remember, every Jets coach in Year 1 is great. I'm buying into the Gase hype just like everyone else, but it's worth remembering that every Jets coach provides good feelings in Year 1, whether it's Parcells leading an 8-game turnaround or Herm leading us to the playoffs, or Mangini showing up on the Sopranos, or Rex telling everyone we're going to the freaking Super Bowl and nearly getting it done, or Bowles leading us to 10 wins.
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1174353674702938112?s=21
Hahaha
I was unaware Jamal Adams was benched. Makes sense, though. In a lost game, at least Adam Gase can hang his hat on publicly embarrassing the best Jet since Nick Mangold.
These chumps. These freaking chumps. They're gonna stick around just long enough to ruin Jamal Adams and Sam Darnold and then they'll be on their merry way.
Was this ever in doubt?
While I don't want to give Gase the benefit of the doubt. He really hasn't had the opportunity to do anything here. I can't imagine any coach having come in here and fixed it immediately.So he gets a blank check to freak up the locker room and team morale because hes in the first year?
That said if our HC and GM aren't ultra aggressive about fixing the OL before next season, then I'm all for the torches and pitchforks
So he gets a blank check to freak up the locker room and team morale because hes in the first year?
freak this guy and freak this kind of take. Hes freaking with the few good players on our terrible team, the supposed offensive guru has managed to put together one of the worst units in the league, but he gets a pass on the bad because its his first year.
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The Jets have not started 0-2 under a new HC since our last offensive HC, Rich Kotite in 1995.
The Jets have not started 0-2 under a new HC since our last offensive HC, Rich Kotite in 1995.
Maccagnanannan
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This whole story is overblown.I refuse to believe Towel Logjam does anything more than slap guys on the derriere and serve Gase smelling salts. This is Gase's offense.
If Adams tore his ACL in the 4th qrtr when we were down by 20 and out of the game people would be saying he should have been pulled from the game.
I do have a few Gase concerns which I will be keeping my eye on
1. Is he willing to fire his friends for better coaches when Dowell fails?
2. Will he devise different strategies that play to multiple players strengths?
3. Will he continue to outsmart himself during play-calling? It seems like he makes situations more confusing than they need to be
Loggains is essentially an offensive analyst for Adam Gase.
Nothing wrong with your QB coach acting in that role, but typically you’d like to see someone more objective to push Gase.
While loggains doesn't excite anyone, how do we all know he's as shitty as he sounds? I mean Rex was heavily involved with our DC and Pettine has had a reasonable amount of success without him. Loggains does have 5 years OC experience and 4 years as a QB coach, but also has done nothing but ride coattailsWe don't. People just like to complain, and his name and face make him easy to rag on.
Glad to see most Jets fans still like overreacting.For the record I'm not calling for him to be fired yet. But he has very little slack with me since I didn't want him in the first place.
Look. I didn't like the Gase hire at first either, like many of you, but I want to give him a chance.
Did anyone seriously expect good offensive results with a backup QB? Not to mention, our line looks like complete dogsh*t.
Sam Darnold freakin played with mono against possibly the best defense in the NFL in week 1. He did sub-par, but at least he didn't blow chunks all over the field. He held his own given the circumstances.
And while we may be 0-2, the defense actually hasn't looked that bad. When Mosley is on the field we actually looked pretty good. The CBs, while a weakness, are looking somewhat serviceable. (OBJ making them look stupid aside) Our line and edge rushers still don't get consistent penetration, but that's nothing new. Jamal and Maye look like two studs on the back end.
But we're going to be 0-3. Accept it. This should have been obvious the moment Darnold was declared out with mono.
We can start to judge Gase if it all falls apart when we have our QB, Stud MLB, and 1st round draft pick on the field after a few games.
No need to call for his head at 0-2 under such circumstances.
freak this guy.
Yes, it's certainly overreacting that people who had specific reasons for not wanting Gase here, like pissing off players to the point they wanted out of town who later publicly celebrated his firing, are now worried that a pattern is already developing.
Trumaine Johnson wasn't performing. True statement. How good was the defense without him? Did it improve? Did it get worse when he finally got into the game?
Jamal Adams is the best player on the defense. Does he play with a fiery personality? Hell yes, and up until now, I was pretty sure everyone loved that about him. I don't want to hear hypotheticals like "What if he got hurt?" Last week's starting QB got hurt because the supposed offensive genius couldn't scheme some protection against Myles freaking Garret. I mean, whatevs. He only had 13.5 sacks last year.Again, who cares if Jamal Adams tweets or doesn't tweet. If you want to read into it that he's unhappy, go ahead. We all love that Jamal is a fiery player. And you know what? He was probably fired up on Monday night after the game. Now that he's had a chance to cool down, it looks like he's back to being himself.
I'll also note, and did at the time as well, Jamal Adams is very active on social media. He was silent for days after Gates' hiring. Nothing to see here, folks.
What pattern? Jamal taking the Jets out of his social media profiles? Unless more comes out about that or Jamal being angry, I don't think that's a big deal.
Nate Hairston was clearly better than Trumaine Johnson. I have no clue what your point is here.
Again, who cares if Jamal Adams tweets or doesn't tweet. If you want to read into it that he's unhappy, go ahead. We all love that Jamal is a fiery player. And you know what? He was probably fired up on Monday night after the game. Now that he's had a chance to cool down, it looks like he's back to being himself.
I wasn't a huge Gase fan when he was hired, but I'm willing to give him most of the same slack I would give any first-year Jets coach, a little bit less since he's done this job before. The Bills and Browns were both better than the Jets last year, and both are probably better than the Jets this year, especially with an ill Darnold. Early returns are not good, but he's also been dealt an absolutely shitty hand.
When people show you who they are, believe them the first time. ~Maya Angelou
For the record I'm not calling for him to be fired yet. But he has very little slack with me since I didn't want him in the first place.
I hated the hire. He was literally the last person in the world of football I wanted coaching this team. He and Greg Williams were literally my nightmare scenario that I brought up mostly jokingly because I never in a million years would've believed it would happen. But Jets gonna Jets.
So no. I'm not willing to give him even an inch. As I've said before, I'll happily eat crow if I'm wrong but so far he's done nothing to make feel I need to.
I'm somewhere between this
and this
Unlike Badger I would very much like him to be fired, but I don't think I'm quite as vehement on it as Alio. If nothing else, you can't really replace a head coach midway through the season. I do though think that we're wasting significant years of Sam's development having him coached by this guy; I think there's enough evidence to suggest that he owes a large chunk of his paycheck to Peyton Manning.
Just FTR, I'm not advocating firing him now. There's no one on the staff I'd replace him with.
We have to wait out this season. What sucks is, what do you do then if he can't get his excrement together? 3 coaches in 3 years?
Unless the Jets play this way the entire year, Gase isn't getting fired this offseason.
We should really give him all of Sam Darnold’s developmental years to figure out if he’s a good coach or not. Just to be fair to Adam.He's going to help Darnold progress from Mono to full blown AIDS.
He's going to help Darnold progress from Mono to full blown AIDS.What a coincidence, Puck and Gase both moved from Miami to NY...
I definitely might be calling Mike McCarthy and seeing whether he's enjoying family time and if he's amenable to starting his reign early if we're 1-7. He's who we should have hired.Why don't you think any team wanted him?
I definitely might be calling Mike McCarthy and seeing whether he's enjoying family time and if he's amenable to starting his reign early if we're 1-7. He's who we should have hired.
I definitely might be calling Mike McCarthy and seeing whether he's enjoying family time and if he's amenable to starting his reign early if we're 1-7. He's who we should have hired.
I definitely might be calling Mike McCarthy and seeing whether he's enjoying family time and if he's amenable to starting his reign early if we're 1-7. He's who we should have hired.
GTFO. If there was one coach worse than Gase it was him. No freaking way.
Honest question. Is there a coach in the NFL right now who can do anything with this roster?
Honest question. Is there a coach in the NFL right now who can do anything with this roster?
i dont think theres a chance gase gets fired after this year
i mean they clearly made a commitment to mediocrity when they let our old gm hire a new coach, let the new coach force out the old gm, and let the new coach hand pick his own gm, all after letting the old gm handle free agency and the draft.
we're fucked for a long time. buckle up, gase is here to stay for at least 3 or 4 years
i dont think theres a chance gase gets fired after this year
i mean they clearly made a commitment to mediocrity when they let our old gm hire a new coach, let the new coach force out the old gm, and let the new coach hand pick his own gm, all after letting the old gm handle free agency and the draft.
we're fucked for a long time. buckle up, gase is here to stay for at least 3 or 4 years
To answer the question posed above, there's not a single coach in the NFL with the exception of The Hoodie that can turn this chicken excrement into chicken salad. Gase gets judged the second he gets his quarterback back, not on the basis of having to run out LUKE FALK.
How is it that other teams can figure out how to win with the likes of Nick Mullens and Gardner Minshew and Matt Barkley, but we're supposed to immediately give our coach a complete pass when his preferred backup QB can't pass for 100 yards in 4 quarters?
I want Gase fired, as I never wanted him hired, but he isn’t the biggest problem with our team right now.
IMO, our issues rank:
1) No Sam
2) bottom 5 OL
3) horrendous rest of the roster outside of a few players
4) bad coaching
I don’t like Gase and would be fine moving on at literally any point in time, but I don’t think coaching is the reason for why we are so bad at this point in the season. He’s not getting fired anytime soon, it would be idiotic to hire a coach with the idea of developing a potential franchise QB and then fire him without giving him an actual shot with said QB. Gase just got the last GM fired and changed the course of our franchises future. I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
I don’t think Joe Douglas would be too happy about Gase getting the quick hook if he’s truly in his corner. You have to think he agreed to come here with the understanding that Gase would be his coach for the foreseeable future.
would you feel the same way if we're sitting at 0-10 in week 11?
I get that our oline stinks, and we're trotting out a 3rd string QB....but that's the worst offense i've seen since Kotite.
Even with Sam coming back, I'm not sure he's gonna make a huge difference on his own. Not with that trash oline and garbage playcalling.
Yes, I will feel the same way. I don’t want him here but don’t think he’s going anywhere.
Spoiler alert: with a roster this bad, you will feel the same way about the next coach. I think you can recall that I said that about Todd Bowles and I said that before the Gase hire.
The thing that hurts is that Rex Ryan's drafting set us back years, and then Duff was supposed to alleviate that but it turned out that he set us back even further.
Damn, no shout out to Idzik
....but that's the worst offense i've seen since Kotite.
Even with Sam coming back, I'm not sure he's gonna make a huge difference on his own. Not with that trash oline and garbage playcalling.
We even have Kotite style uniforms back, it's like this whole season is a tribute to 1995.
Ugh, the uniforms didn't even cross my mind.
would you feel the same way if we're sitting at 0-10 in week 11?
I get that our oline stinks, and we're trotting out a 3rd string QB....but that's the worst offense i've seen since Kotite.
Even with Sam coming back, I'm not sure he's gonna make a huge difference on his own. Not with that trash oline and garbage playcalling.
It requires quite some mental gymnastics to extrapolate an 0-3 record into an 0-10 record. I didn't like the Gase hire either and it's not like our current situation has made my view on him any better, but talking about canning him after a year in week 3-4 is a bit premature.
I get that every team has injuries, but when an injury bug hits multiple key players and the depth of the team is already non-existent, we get the excrement show we're in. That's more on Maccagnan and the shitty drafting this team has done.
Honestly, the last solid draft this team had was something like 06 or 07.
It requires quite some mental gymnastics to extrapolate an 0-3 record into an 0-10 record. I didn't like the Gase hire either and it's not like our current situation has made my view on him any better, but talking about canning him after a year in week 3-4 is a bit premature.
I get that every team has injuries, but when an injury bug hits multiple key players and the depth of the team is already non-existent, we get the excrement show we're in. That's more on Maccagnan and the shitty drafting this team has done.
Honestly, the last solid draft this team had was something like 06 or 07.
It requires quite some mental gymnastics to extrapolate an 0-3 record into an 0-10 record. I didn't like the Gase hire either and it's not like our current situation has made my view on him any better, but talking about canning him after a year in week 3-4 is a bit premature.
It only feels premature because of how unlikely it is for a coach to fully demonstrate his gross incompetence within three weeks. But in actuality, it hasn't been three weeks; it's been three years and three weeks. Go take a look at Finheaven. Everything we're seeing from Gase - unimaginative playcalling, hyperconservatism, inability to function through injuries, failure to gameplan against the opponents' strengths, alienation of players - it was all there in Miami before he even took Chris Johnson's phone call.
He's the Christian Hackenberg of head coach hires. We should have known better and we didn't.
It only feels premature because of how unlikely it is for a coach to fully demonstrate his gross incompetence within three weeks. But in actuality, it hasn't been three weeks; it's been three years and three weeks. Go take a look at Finheaven. Everything we're seeing from Gase - unimaginative playcalling, hyperconservatism, inability to function through injuries, failure to gameplan against the opponents' strengths, alienation of players - it was all there in Miami before he even took Chris Johnson's phone call.
He's the Christian Hackenberg of head coach hires. We should have known better and we didn't.
This was my biggest fear when we hired him. I wanted to believe that he could learn from his mistakes in Miami, but the reality is he wasn't given enough time to reflect on what a POS job he did....in between gigs.
We essentially did what the Bills did after we fired Rex, and they hired him immediately.
I just hope he doesn't destroy Sam's development.
Except he didn't do a bad job in Miami. Show me the team under his watch that underachieved. There's not one team he coached there that had a roster that didn't play up or down to its level.
That team that went 7-9 last year was freaking garbage.
Except he didn't do a bad job in Miami. Show me the team under his watch that underachieved. There's not one team he coached there that had a roster that didn't play up or down to its level.
That team that went 7-9 last year was freaking garbage.
He didn't do a bad job? He hasn't won a game since last November. And the Phins offense was ranked 2nd last in 2018.
I was fine with giving him a chance, and i'll grant you that it's still a little early...but the signs are pointing to excrement. There was zero compete from that offense on Sunday, and the oline is playing like 5 total strangers who just met. He also has a hard time being accountable, i freaking hate that.
I think Peyton Manning sold Christopher Johnson a bag of magic beans.
one of the worst OL in the league
stole it off reddit
https://streamable.com/ww5ul
We still have basically the same offensive line that was good enough to keep us in games down the stretch last year. It turns out Spencer Long and Jeremy Bates were the glue, I guess.
What’s the scariest in all of this for me is if this season plays out the way we’re anticipating, our potential franchise QB will be staring down the barrel of 3 HCs, 3 OCs, and 3 shitty OL in his first 3 years. No way the Jets can retain Gase if the offense is this putrid towards the end of the season
Maybe having an offense gel together they improve, vs bringing in a last minute center and QB off the street?Of all the times we hoped it would happen over the course of a season, did it ever pan out?
Of all the times we hoped it would happen over the course of a season, did it ever pan out?
I'm not asking for wins. I'm asking for it to look like an actual NFL team is on the field.
We are the worst ranked team in the league for 3 and outs per drive. We are worse even than Miami, who have played even better defenses than us (Baltimore, New England and Dallas).
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestatsoff/2019
This board is starting to feel exactly like the Mike Maccagnan thing. When will enough be enough? Admittedly, I did the same thing with Rex, giving him way too much rope, but come on.
At some point, no matter the roster, you have to blame the supposed offensive genius for not scheming so much as an extra tight end to block for your QBs that have no time to throw or to keep Bell alive.
I'm not asking for wins. I'm asking for it to look like an actual NFL team is on the field.
If hes so terrible, why has gase brought him along from Miami? Is his judgement that bad?
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I think it's unreasonable to want to fire a HC after one season. To talk about it after 3 freaking weeks with literally the worst starting QB in the league by a huge margin is absolute derangementWhat else would you expect from Jets fans?
What else would you expect from Jets fans?
I actually don't think it's unreasonable to fire a head coach after one season if there is enough evidence he is terrible. If the rest of the season is like this, I might join that bandwagon.
But 3 games? When your entire team is hurt? Absurd.
What else would you expect from Jets fans?
I actually don't think it's unreasonable to fire a head coach after one season if there is enough evidence he is terrible. If the rest of the season is like this, I might join that bandwagon.
But 3 games? When your entire team is hurt? Absurd.
One could only hope.
Some of the takes on this thread belong on a certain other Jets message board for how excrement they are.
OK, let's get some positivity going on. Can you tell me something that you've seen so far with Gase in charge that looks like it has improved from last season?Don’t mind MJ, he’s just salty because his orange overlord is about to be impeached.
OK, let's get some positivity going on. Can you tell me something that you've seen so far with Gase in charge that looks like it has improved from last season?
OK, let's get some positivity going on. Can you tell me something that you've seen so far with Gase in charge that looks like it has improved from last season?Punting volume. Less wasted timeouts. Music playlist at practice?
OK, let's get some positivity going on. Can you tell me something that you've seen so far with Gase in charge that looks like it has improved from last season?We've only lost 3 games this season. Jets haven't had a season losing 3 or fewer games since 1982.
The defense looks better.
And we only have one int in 3 games mostly with a 3rd string QB.
Darnolds QB rating is 8 points higher than it was last year. #OffensiveMinded
It really freaking doesn't.Weren't you trying to be positive? Jeez.
Can't get picked off if you don't throw the ball in the first place.
That's an incredibly small sample size, compared with most of a season that included some fairly tough rookie experiences for him. It would be a surprise if it didn't improve just by virtue of him having a season under his belt.
Weren't you trying to be positive? Jeez.
It really freaking doesn't.
Can't get picked off if you don't throw the ball in the first place.
That's an incredibly small sample size, compared with most of a season that included some fairly tough rookie experiences for him. It would be a surprise if it didn't improve just by virtue of him having a season under his belt.
An incredibly small sample size like judging a HC by a team's performance through 3 games with a 3rd string QB?
You don't say
I don't think that three and a quarter seasons is a small sample size.Gase was our coach the last 3 seasons? Man, you learn something new every day on this board.
Gase was our coach the last 3 seasons? Man, you learn something new every day on this board.
If prior coaching history is no indication of a coach's ability, why don't they hire you or me? For all they know one of us could be the next Lombardi.
Edit to respond to your edit: I might semi-agree with you if we weren't already seeing the same problems he had in Miami manifesting here. He might be a great designer of plays, but he isn't a playcaller and he isn't a leader of men and he apparently isn't any good at selecting coaches who can communicate his plays to the people who have to execute them.
His prior coaching record is what got him hired.
OK, let's get some positivity going on. Can you tell me something that you've seen so far with Gase in charge that looks like it has improved from last season?
Don’t mind MJ, he’s just salty because his orange overlord is about to be impeached.
Gase said they will start doing more plays in practice to try to fix the offense. #nyj
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I don't think there's much any coach could have done with this offenses situation, and if the second half of the season looks like this then surely you consider replacing Gase. But I think the top priority this offseason has to be getting a new offensive coordinator.I really don't understand this post at all.
Hopefully this puts some life in the offense, or at least if the GM wants to fire Gase at some point, he can easily have Greg Williams step in as interim HC and still have someone to run the offense
No idea what to do anymore. The Jets need an entire offensive line, 2 corners, and a pass rusher. It's hard to find a good one of any of those.I was thinking the other day wondering if we would have been better off if Cousins had signed with us for the contract he got in Minnesota. It would give us 3 years to draft an infrastructure before we got our franchise QB. Of course, that assumes you can find that franchise QB, which is easier said than done. Granted, we don't know for sure if Darnold is that guy yet.
We are going to waste Darnold's cheap contract years building a team from scratch.
I really don't understand this post at all.
If you think coaching is the problem with the offense, then blame Gase, fire him, and let's move on. Firing Loggains does absolutely nothing. This is Gase's offense, not Loggains'.
After your first sentence, I though the next sentence was certainly going to say "...the top priority this offseason has to be getting a new offensive line."
What exactly is firing Loggains supposed to do?
Gase has too much on his plate. I realize that some of the most successful coaches in the league call plays on one side of the ball, but Gase isn't in the same league as Andy Reid or BB.
Have someone competent who can run the offense on their own, and have Gase compliment them. Gase isn't good enoguh to be both a coach and a coordinator. There's a reason why teams have coordinators, and it's not so that the HC can do their job for them
Such a bad post
Such a bad post
Gase has too much on his plate. I realize that some of the most successful coaches in the league call plays on one side of the ball, but Gase isn't in the same league as Andy Reid or BB.A lot of teams do it this way. Gase is the head coach primarily for how you think he will run the offense. If you don't think he can run a competent offense, then just get rid of him. Why scapegoat others?
Have someone competent who can run the offense on their own, and have Gase compliment them. Gase isn't good enoguh to be both a coach and a coordinator. There's a reason why teams have coordinators, and it's not so that the HC can do their job for them
But at the end of the day I find it extremely unlikely that Douglas would replace his friend that hired him after one season.
Not Douglas's decision.
A lot of teams do it this way. Gase is the head coach primarily for how you think he will run the offense. If you don't think he can run a competent offense, then just get rid of him. Why scapegoat others?
I still think it's too early to make any conclusions about Gase's long-term viability here. Early returns are absolute garbage, but it's still only 4 games, and as I mentioned in the game thread, I don't think most of our problems can be schemed out of.
But it makes no sense to fire the OC just for the sake of scapegoating someone. You either believe in Gase or you don't if you're Chris Johnson/Joe Douglas.
i just watched the Gase postgame presser. He kept saying that he has to fix the offense. What the freak were you doing for the last 2 weeks?
Gase has too much on his plate. I realize that some of the most successful coaches in the league call plays on one side of the ball, but Gase isn't in the same league as Andy Reid or BB.
Have someone competent who can run the offense on their own, and have Gase compliment them. Gase isn't good enoguh to be both a coach and a coordinator. There's a reason why teams have coordinators, and it's not so that the HC can do their job for them
Fixing Darnold
Our season is essentially over. Gase won't get a free pass, unless the Johnsons want the stadium filled with crickets next season.
He won't get a free pass but there's literally no way we're as bad the second 8 games as we were the first 8.
So the team improved as the season went and Darnold got healthy so Gase did a good job is going to be the narrative. Or something akin to that. We all know that's going to be the case and Gase will be here next season, it would take a cataclysmic implosion for Gase to get fired
These are Gase's last 7 games as a HC
- Loss: 41-17 to Minnesota
Loss: 17-7 to Jacksonville
Loss: 42-17 to Buffalo
Loss: 17-16 to Buffalo
Loss: 23-3 to Cleveland
Loss: 30-14 to New England
Loss: 31-6 to Philadelphia
Darnold coming back isn't going to move the needle.
Christopher Johnson made a huge mistake hiring this turd. Now he has to fix this mistake before we lose another 4 seasons.
dolphins x2, redskins, Jaguars, giants. Bills, steelers, ravens,Bengals Raiders.
Almost every single one of them is absolutely horrible.
I have to ask: do you actually watch other teams?
The back end of our season is dolphins x2, redskins, Jaguars, giants. Bills, steelers, ravens,Bengals Raiders.
Almost every single one of them is absolutely horrible. (as are we)
If Darnold is healthy we should see an extraordinary improvement and it will 100% be used as an excuse that Gase is doing his job well
I have to ask: do you actually watch other teams?
Darnold coming back isn't going to fix our oline issues. He's going to be running for his life.
I don't think dcm is actually watching the jets games, let alone any other teams.
I exaggerate everything
OK the ravens actually look pretty good. The Raiders I haven't watched at all I'm just assuming. The Steelers I don't have faith in unless they're at home. And we should've beat the freaking Bills.
I don't expect the Jets to end the season 7-1 or something, but that's an extremely soft schedule. It would be absolutely impossible for this team to not improve significantly unless everyone is given up by then
The team is excrement I'm not pretending we're not.The skins, dolphins and Giants can all put up points...we can’t even sustain drives.
I'm suggesting that the last 8 teams we play are full of shitty freaking teams. The Redskins giants and dolphins are comparable to us in impotence.
And Darnold is a dramatic upgrade on some freaking scrub from the practice squad.
I'm not suggesting by any mean were going to be a good team or have a winning record.
But the odds of the Jets improving if not improving significantly has to be very significant. And it could absolutely give team leadership an excuse to defend Gase
The skins, dolphins and Giants can all put up points...we can’t even sustain drives.
Christopher Johnson made a huge mistake hiring this turd. Now he has to fix this mistake before we lose another 4 seasons.
We have 50% more points than the Dolphins this season with a QB from our practice squad startingYou’re not grasping the point.
That said we're miles away from the 3rd lowest scoring team
Gase strikes me as a guy who's good at pre-defending his own failure. "See Chris? I told you we needed Matt Paradis."He’s gonna lose the locker room in record time
You’re not grasping the point.
That “soft” schedule doesn’t look so soft now. Not with this offence.
You're not getting my point everything is relative.Darnold isn’t Peyton Manning...and this offensive scheme is a POS.
If this team gets more talent (having Darnold over some bum) and the opponents have less talent, it will appear that the team improved.
Darnold isn’t Peyton Manning...and this offensive scheme is a POS.
This game is won in the trenches, and we’re bad on both sides of that trench.
None of the teams you mentioned will be an easy for win us....and yes, that includes Miami.
It is still a soft schedule. Going from Falk to Darnold alone makes better than Cincy, Miami and Washington. The offense will improve with an actual NFL QB playing. And the defense is competent even with its flaws.We’re still on par with those teams....
We’re still on par with those teams....
Sorry, until we get improved play from our oline...it won’t matter who’s taking the snaps
Were we on par with the Patriots Eagles Browns and Dallas next week? Or would you say being on par with our opponents is an... Improvement?I would say we’re gonna be hard pressed to win this roster and coaching staff
I would say we’re gonna be hard pressed to win this roster and coaching staff
Im not here to split hairs and discuss meaningless comparisons
Problem is he's buddy buddy with the HC and GM, so I think all it takes is moderate improvement and he saves his job. And the stars are aligned for him to do so, whether we want him back or notI disagree
We’re still on par with those teams....We nearly beat the Bills in Week 1 with a sick Darnold. That's better than anything any of those teams have done this year.
Sorry, until we get improved play from our oline...it won’t matter who’s taking the snaps
We nearly beat the Bills in Week 1 with a sick Darnold. That's better than anything any of those teams have done this year.You’re hanging your hat on “nearly” beating a team?
You’re hanging your hat on “nearly” beating a team?
We coughed up a 17 pt lead, and didn’t convert any points off the 4 turnovers from our defense. That’s terrible.
But hey.....almost won, right?! Lol
This is what happens when you lose Rex RyanWe haven’t had a solid talent evaluator since Eric Mangini
We haven’t had a solid talent evaluator since Eric Mangini
You’re hanging your hat on “nearly” beating a team?I'm not holding my hat on anything but I just tried to provide evidence how a Darnold-led team is merely bottom 8 in the NFL as opposed to bottom 2.
We coughed up a 17 pt lead, and didn’t convert any points off the 4 turnovers from our defense. That’s terrible.
But hey.....almost won, right?! Lol
I'm not holding my hat on anything but I just tried to provide evidence how a Darnold-led team is merely bottom 8 in the NFL as opposed to bottom 2.So you’re splitting hairs between us being garbage and hot garbage.......got it.
So you’re splitting hairs between us being garbage and hot garbage.......got it.
It makes a helluva difference in whether you fire your coach after 1 season or not.
Being the 2nd worst team is a serious problem.
Being the 8th worth is appropriate for our talent
Not when you spent a ton in FA ....8th worst or whatever *eye roll*...isn’t going to cut it
Yeah Mosley hasn't really made a difference these first 5 games. Guys been an absolute ghost on the field last few weeks.Why are you arguing against your own point?
And Gase didn't even want Bell on the team.
But all dat money we spent!
Why are you arguing against your own point?
You blamed Gase for the money we spent in the offseason. Which predominantly is on an injured player and a player Gase didn't want.I didn’t blame Gase
I didn’t blame Gase
I said the jets spent big...so results are expected
Being 8th worst or whatever you said isn’t going to cut it
Thoguh the first 5 weeks of the season I think everyone can agree that the Jets are either the worst or second worst team in the NFL.You’re splitting hairs again. I don’t care if he gets 58% or 89% or 45% of the blame. He’s the HC, and he’s accountable.
What % of the blame for that do you put on Gase? And including blaming schedule, injuries, current/past gms, talent, execution.
How much of the blame do you think Gase deserves?
Yes I get he's the HC and he's accountable about the end of the day. But that doesn't mean it's all his fault
Thoguh the first 5 weeks of the season I think everyone can agree that the Jets are either the worst or second worst team in the NFL.
What % of the blame for that do you put on Gase? And including blaming schedule, injuries, current/past gms, talent, execution.
How much of the blame do you think Gase deserves?
Yes I get he's the HC and he's accountable about the end of the day. But that doesn't mean it's all his fault
i just watched the Gase postgame presser. He kept saying that he has to fix the offense. What the freak were you doing for the last 2 weeks?Mario Kart mobile game came out on 9/24
Tank for Jerry JeudyTank for a high pick we can trade back to draft 5 offensive linemen in the first 3 rounds.
Tank for a high pick we can trade back to draft 5 offensive linemen in the first 3 rounds.
Or just take Andrew Thomas
Maybe tag and trade Leo and get us a nice guard. Though I have my doubts he would be tradeable
Hopefully we try to dump him on Tampa or something this year
Tank for a high pick we can trade back to draft 5 offensive linemen in the first 3 rounds.An army of Vlad Ducasses
An army of Vlad Ducasses
Mario Kart mobile game came out on 9/24
We’d be lucky to get a 4th for Leonard Williams.
He isn’t worth tagging.
Not that long ago Big Cat was a killer and would die for the cause. There is a worrying trend around our marquee players losing interest or whatver it is. Getting caned by a pretty average team is hard enough to bear but watching Jamal Adams trying his heart out last night whilst being surrounded by incompeteance and largess breaks my freaking heart.
Yes. I'm terrified of this. If we don't turn this around quickly Jamal is going to want to go somewhere else.
Yes. I'm terrified of this. If we don't turn this around quickly Jamal is going to want to go somewhere else.
Gase should be fired just for attempting a 55 yard FG into the wind with Sam Ficken
We weren't making 4th and 5.
Jets coach Adam Gase said he needs to evaluate Chris Herndon in practice before activating him to the 53-man roster.
Journeyman TE Ryan Griffin has been used on 93 percent of New York's offensive snaps this year as the Jets have clearly struggled without both Sam Darnold and Herndon. The latter's eligible to return following his four game suspension this week, but Gase is hesitant to activate the 23-year-old until he sees him in practice. Although it's likely coach speak, it can't go overlooked as this is also a team that's made no significant changes or progress on offense all season. Herndon still needs to be universally added across waiver wires.
This freaking buffoon, I swear to God. I sure do hope Chris Herndon is capable of playing at the level of excellence this offense demands. Prolly smarter to let him back up Ryan Griffin for a few seasons.I get that everyone wants to excrement on Gase for literally everything, but this response is just plain dumb.
I get that everyone wants to excrement on Gase for literally everything, but this response is just plain dumb.Is Ty Montgomery in game shape yet?
Let him show he's in game shape. Then activate him. I put the odds at 95% he's playing this weekend, and the 5% is that he's out of shape or something like that. We have a roster exemption for another week if he's not ready for whatever reason. Same with Copeland.
Is Ty Montgomery in game shape yet?Jets fans act like Ty Montgomery is gonna fix everything. He got cut midseason last year. Hes a fine player. I would like to see him more. But we have 100 bigger problems than Ty Montgomery, and some of Ty's workload would come at Bell's expense and we all agree Bell is great.
Asking for a friend.
I get that everyone wants to excrement on Gase for literally everything, but this response is just plain dumb.
Let him show he's in game shape. Then activate him. I put the odds at 95% he's playing this weekend, and the 5% is that he's out of shape or something like that. We have a roster exemption for another week if he's not ready for whatever reason. Same with Copeland.
I was drinking with Herndon yesterday and he gave me a ride home
The most concerning thing for me is that there are all the busted routes by the receivers and mental issues on the line. A lot of that is coaching. It is week 5, things need to be cleaned up.
I still think Sam fixes a ton of the issues though.
Jets fans act like Ty Montgomery is gonna fix everything. He got cut midseason last year. Hes a fine player. I would like to see him more. But we have 100 bigger problems than Ty Montgomery, and some of Ty's workload would come at Bell's expense and we all agree Bell is great.
The guy is a swiss army knife that can play both HB and WR at a high level. But hey, let's trot out Braxton Berrios instead.
50 personnel. 5 little scat backs flying around in different directions for dump off passes. Like spiders.
We. Should. Have. Punted.
Triple reverses to Vysciantth11!! Smith all day babbie.
We haven't punted enough for you? Once or twice a week we have an outside chance to score some points, might as well try it. Besides, Edwards is going to be worn out by the end of the season.Pretty sure that was sarcasm
Pretty sure that was sarcasm
It absolutely wasn't. I had this conversation with Derek Smalls in the game day thread as well.
Situation is 4th and 5 at the opponent's 40, we're two scores down at the end of the first quarter. We had the following options:
1. Run a play to try and get the 1st down with an offensive line that was getting dismantled and a QB that looked like he was still trying to work out why the football is a funny shape
2. Attempt a 55 yard field goal into the wind with an unproven kicker whose career long is 46 yards
3. Punt
Options 1 and 2 both had an overwhelming likelihood of Eagles taking possession on downs at their own 40. Option 3 had an overwhelming likelihood of Eagles taking possession at no better than their own 25 and quite likely inside their own 10. Our defense and punt team were playing well, meaning that a punt had a very decent chance or resulting in a turnover or Eagles punt to give us possession at no worse than midfield with a fresh set of downs.
Our only hope of getting anything was playing smart percentage football to try and make up for the talent vacuum permeating our entire offense, both on the field and on the sidelines. We chose instead to go with a desperation play.
Hindsight is 20/20 after you miss the kick. You finally make it somewhere near a chance to put something up, see if this guy has the leg. Maybe he puts the 3 up and gives the team a jolt, in which case you kick off and hopefully they start somewhere around their 25. In the end we lose the game either way, but we'd have 3 more points to add to our small collection.
I think punting would have been idiotic. You're at the 37 on 4th and 3 or 4th and 4. You go for that or kick the field goal every time. If you dont trust the kicker, you go for it. Punting shouldn't even be a consideration.
This team has had the worst offense in franchise history through 4 weeks.I would have rated the decisions....
Who gives a freak about a field goal attempt
And considering the legendary ineptitude of this offense I can't blame him for kicking the field goal. It "probably" was the smart football move knowing that the eagles would likely score more points, and a 55 yard field goal into the wind would be one of our few opportunities at actually scoring.
I feel like the only way some people are finally going to turn on Gase is if he literally walks out into the huddle and stabs Darnold. Even then, maybe not."I mean sure he stabbed him *a little* but come on, do you want Bowles back?"
They're 4 games into this coaching regime and have already held a players-only meeting. Nothing to see here, folks.
I feel like the only way some people are finally going to turn on Gase is if he literally walks out into the huddle and stabs Darnold. Even then, maybe not.That's funny. In one sentence, you say "finally" like he's been here so long you can make a real judgment on him. In the next line, you say "They're 4 games into this coaching regime" as if that's a lot.
They're 4 games into this coaching regime and have already held a players-only meeting. Nothing to see here, folks.
Oh well...at least we have GoT to look fwd to in a few months
It's been a bad year for MB
That's funny. In one sentence, you say "finally" like he's been here so long you can make a real judgment on him. In the next line, you say "They're 4 games into this coaching regime" as if that's a lot.
Sorry. I'd like to see Gase with an actual NFL roster and an actual NFL quarterback before I make a concrete judgment on him. That doesn't mean I can't change my mind and want him fired after this season, but after 4 games? Nah.
The Johnsons should base all staffing decisions
on the first 4 games of the year
it'd be a nice change from waiting and setting us back 4 years. #FireBowles
Adam Gase appears to be the same guy who sucked in Miami and immediately came here to continue the trend. Just because you want to give him an entire season with the Jets doesn't mean he doesn't have an overall resume already.
You're absolutely right, 4 games is not a lot. Certainly not enough for even the most reasonable person to say "Yeah, it makes sense for the players to lock out the coaching staff so the locker room leaders can start holding guys accountable and give motivation to their teammates they're not getting from the staff."
What has Adam Gase done--other than "coach" Peyton Manning--to warrant anyone's belief that maybe he can still turn this around? Especially before guys like Adams and Bell say "Screw this, I want out."Nobody has said they want out. If they do, well, then excrement went wrong. I don't know if Gase can turn it around or not. I just think he deserves a chance. And you can literally make this argument about any unproven coach you want.
Did he suck in Miami? The one year he had a healthy QB, he led freaking Ryan Tannehill to the playoffs. The other two years, he had to deal with Jay Cutler, Brock Osweiler and David Fales. Nobody is arguing he did a great job in Miami, but I disagree that he sucked. As soon as he left, they decided that the talent base was so eroded that they went on an epic tanking binge.
Again, you're drawing conclusions based on nothing. Just because they had a players-only meeting doesn't mean they hate the coaching staff.
If we were drawing conclusions based on 4 games, we would have given Ryan Fitzpatrick the extension that DCM wanted, or Todd Bowles would have gotten a massive extension.
Nobody has said they want out. If they do, well, then excrement went wrong. I don't know if Gase can turn it around or not. I just think he deserves a chance. And you can literally make this argument about any unproven coach you want.
It'll be interesting to see if the Jets to bring in a real backup QB how that Sam is back, and we can send this other reject back to the practice squad
Why send him to the practice squad, just fire him into the sun. PS is supposed to be to develop players, idk how anyone thinks that whatever the freak we just saw will ever develop into anything useful.
Sign Osweiler.
Knowing the offense is clearly way over freaking rated.
Knowing the offense is clearly way over freaking rated.
So let me get this straight....the logic here is that once our starting QB is healthy, that's when we sign another veteran QB? That seems...backwards.
Falk or Fales will be the backup going forward, most likely Falk.
I see no reason to stick with a sunk cost that effectively costs nothing to part with and has no real value. Not like has has some experience to part onto Sam eitherMy point is - if you're going to sign a different veteran QB now, why wouldn't you have done that 2-3 weeks ago? It makes no sense.
My point is - if you're going to sign a different veteran QB now, why wouldn't you have done that 2-3 weeks ago? It makes no sense.
So let me get this straight....the logic here is that once our starting QB is healthy, that's when we sign another veteran QB? That seems...backwards.
Falk or Fales will be the backup going forward, most likely Falk.
My point is - if you're going to sign a different veteran QB now, why wouldn't you have done that 2-3 weeks ago? It makes no sense.The Jets aren't a very forward thinking team.
The Jets aren't a very forward thinking team.
I agree, but it's not the replacing Falk with a veteran bit that makes no sense, it's the not doing it 2-3 weeks ago. But then I think we know the answer to why that is: our offensive genius and quarterback whisperer of a head coach rates him. After all, he's hired him twice.
What veteran QBs are even out there who would be of much if any help? It's October.
Stop criticizing Adam Gase and give him a chance to have a roster full of All-Pros before you judge him.
We should start flying planes around MetLife stadium to fire Joe Douglas. This franchise hasn't won a single game with him as GM. He's literally the worst GM in all of sports of all time.
Idzik would be better
Hell Woody Johnson should just give the team to James Dolan. Even he's never hired a GM as freaking terrible as Joe Douglas
Am I doing it right?
If not making any sense was your goal, then yes, you're doing it "right".
What veteran QBs are even out there who would be of much if any help? It's October.
Osweiler is the primary name that comes up. Beyond that you're into the likes of Brandon Weeden, Tom Savage and Kevin Hogan. There's not a lot there that's inspiring, certainly no one of the calibre of Uncle Josh.
Fact
Joe Douglas is the only GM on professional sports to have his team never have won a single game, ever
he was hired 2 months ago. Wasn't around for the draft, nor Free Agency.
But Gase was.
See how this works?
freak it, fire everybody. Redskins haven't lost since they fired Gruden. #facts
i have faith Joey Baggadonuts will draft us back to prominence....starting next year.
None of those guys would make a tremendous difference. It's easy to forget we did have Siemian for this situation and he didn't last one game, which is how we got here. It's like the year we lost Pennington and Fiedler for the year in the same game Week 3, and ended up with Brooks Bollinger. That year we managed to get Vinny off his couch at like 40 and eke out a couple wins, no such luck this year.
Unless.....
i have faith Joey Baggadonuts will draft us back to prominence....starting next year.Rinse and repeat.
Rinse and repeat.
Why is this time different?
he was hired 2 months ago. Wasn't around for the draft, nor Free Agency.
But Gase was.
See how this works?
You're right
If we don't have a winning record by December we should fire him then
Give us a head start on the GM search for the new year
you're still not getting it.
He hasn't had a full offseason.
So even in your hyperbole-charged fantasy, it still doesn't make sense.
Joe Douglas' lack of success with the Eagles should factor against him. Add in how Douglas called out players for not doing their jobs, shifting blame off himself all the time and doing it again here.
Oh. Wait.
Go ahead, someone tell me all about how Gase "overachieved" in Miami again.
Joe Douglas' lack of success with the Eagles should factor against him. Add in how Douglas called out players for not doing their jobs, shifting blame off himself all the time and doing it again here.This post is nonsense, but everyone talks about how Gase is shifting the blame. Is that necessarily even a bad thing? Most of the comments about the offense are him saying things like "Sometimes, the WRs aren't open, sometimes, there's a breakdown in protection, sometimes I make a bad call, sometimes the QB misses the throw." Is Gase supposed to just say, "Everything is my fault?" I think that would sound even more disingenuous because that clearly isn't the case. It's not like Gase is saying, "Yeah, I'm making great play calls, and the players aren't executing."
Oh. Wait.
Go ahead, someone tell me all about how Gase "overachieved" in Miami again.
Joe Douglas wasn't GM of the Eagles.
Maybe we should have given Bowles a few more years here because he had success in Arizona as a DC
This post is nonsense, but everyone talks about how Gase is shifting the blame. Is that necessarily even a bad thing? Most of the comments about the offense are him saying things like "Sometimes, the WRs aren't open, sometimes, there's a breakdown in protection, sometimes I make a bad call, sometimes the QB misses the throw." Is Gase supposed to just say, "Everything is my fault?" I think that would sound even more disingenuous because that clearly isn't the case. It's not like Gase is saying, "Yeah, I'm making great play calls, and the players aren't executing."
If there were signs that the team was breaking apart at the seams, then maybe you could criticize him for that, but other than a few people having panic attacks about Jamal Adams changing his Twitter profile, there has been nothing of that sort.
Except when he did say that in his presser after the Patriots game.I'd be happy to read the quote.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like they just held a players-only meeting just the other day. Those are common when a team is buying into the coaches' messages anyway, right?Those are common when a team is 0-4 and playing terribly. If you want to read that as them not buying the coach's message, you can, but there's no evidence of that.
OH sorryThe rules are simple....obviously not for you.
I forgot that having a full season only counts for GMs. Head coaches only get 4 games
These rules are so complicated
I'd be happy to read the quote.
Those are common when a team is 0-4 and playing terribly. If you want to read that as them not buying the coach's message, you can, but there's no evidence of that.
What exactly about Gase do people who refuse to turn on him feel warrants loyalty?I was one of the first on this board to call for Bowles' head. I just think Gase deserves a chance with an NFL quarterback before we completely start over again next season. Gase was brought in because Darnold is the most important asset on this team, and the Jets thought Gase would be the best option to get the most out of Darnold. Can we at least see how he does with a healthy Darnold before we completely write Gase off?
- He still hasn't called out a specific player by name, but he has called guys out.
- Sick or not, when he had Darnold in game 1, with a 2-score lead in the third quarter, he lost.
- He came out of the bye, got his derriere handed to him, then in his postgame said he needed to "fix" the offense. What was he doing for 2 weeks?
- Sam was almost certainly not playing last week, yet he gave him most of the reps over the kid who never had a chance.
Right now, I feel just like I did when I was calling for Mike Maccagnan's head midway through last season. I understand people want to give guys a chance to make it before starting all over. But when you have to stretch a guy's history to make him make sense, you're just delaying the inevitable--and causing more harm in the meantime.
Obviously, it makes little sense to fire Gase today (though I wouldn't complain if it happened) but I see no reason to let this guy stick around after this year. The bad roster is going to be way too easy an excuse, and it's not the only problem.
You're right
If we don't have a winning record by December we should fire him then
Give us a head start on the GM search for the new year
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He was 0-4 to start his first season in his second stint as an NFL coach and nothing was going right. The offense had not reached 20 points in any of his first four games. Those who thought he was a bad hire based on his failure in his first job began to point and say, “See. We told you.”
This is an accurate description of Jets coach Adam Gase. It also describes Bill Belichick, whose 2000 Patriots started off 0-4.
Read this carefully: I am not saying Gase is going to become Belichick. What I’m saying is we have no idea what kind of coach Gase will be with the Jets four games into his tenure. It is way, way too soon to make judgments on how Gase’s tenure with the Jets will play out.
Belichick is Exhibit A in this argument. He was 5-13 as the Patriots coach when Mo Lewis changed NFL history with his hit on Drew Bledsoe.
Most new coaches need time. Teams don’t change usually coaches because they are good. Gase inherited a bad Jets team with plenty of holes on the roster. Things then got more complicated for him when Sam Darnold contracted mononucleosis and missed three of the first four games.
To judge Gase off of the first month of the season is ridiculous. Particularly when you consider he has been playing a quarterback for most of the last three games who will be the answer to a trivia question in 10 years and the Jets have played the winners of four of the last five Super Bowls on the road in their last two games.
So...you're saying Gase will become Belichick. *smh*Only if we fire him.
Only if we fire him.
So...you're saying Gase will become Belichick. *smh*
Guess you missed this paragraph, don't worry I'll copy paste for youOh no...I saw it.
Read this carefully: I am not saying Gase is going to become Belichick. What I’m saying is we have no idea what kind of coach Gase will be with the Jets four games into his tenure. It is way, way too soon to make judgments on how Gase’s tenure with the Jets will play out
I was one of the first on this board to call for Bowles' head. I just think Gase deserves a chance with an NFL quarterback before we completely start over again next season. Gase was brought in because Darnold is the most important asset on this team, and the Jets thought Gase would be the best option to get the most out of Darnold. Can we at least see how he does with a healthy Darnold before we completely write Gase off?
Sure.Your right, it's easy to make excuses for coaches.
But I'm not changing my opinion that he was the wrong choice until he proves that he wasn't.
My biggest fear now (my previous biggest fear being Gase would be hired in the first place) is that he'll do just good enough to warrant another year as head coach of this team. He's still got a number of built-in excuses.
- Doesn't have Moseley
- OL is 5 bags of trash
- Herndon is still out
- If Sam sucks this week "Well he's still getting acclimated to playing again"
You can make excuse after excuse. Bowles had a thousand of them, Rex was king of them. So let me rephrase my question as: how much is too much to ignore? At what point are the excuses no longer valid?
Calling for a punt down multiple scores late wasn't enough. Calling for a FG into the wind rather than changing field position wasn't enough.
I'm not sure how much of the OL problems are the players just sucking and how much is actually coaching. Brian Winters looked confused on one of the sacks last week, as though he wanted to know why someone blew right past him. A team with 3 sacks coming into the game had over triple that in a single game. I am 100% in favor of revamping the line, but some of the blame has to be on the coaching staff, no?
Oh no...I saw it.
I just think you do believe Gase is Belichick because of your past tendencies on this board.
Your right, it's easy to make excuses for coaches.
Who is better than him and available?
Fire him this quick and you'll never get anyone to come here. Like him or not, that's the case.
Gase will get to finish the season regardless of what happens. Then he'll be evaluated.
His prime directive was to turn this offense around and develop Sam into an NFL QB. If he fails to show progress by the end of the year, the Johnsons will bring in someone else who also can't.
There isn't anyone available right now, maybe McCarthy? But we're stuck with Gase for the whole season--unless they give the job to Williams as an interim, but I don't see that being much better. I'm saying that he should be one-and-done, barring some miraculous turnaround, which I don't see any reason to believe is coming.
As I said, I fear that this team will do just enough to save his job.
We should give Gase more than 3 quarters with his QB.
There isn't anyone available right now, maybe McCarthy? But we're stuck with Gase for the whole season--unless they give the job to Williams as an interim, but I don't see that being much better. I'm saying that he should be one-and-done, barring some miraculous turnaround, which I don't see any reason to believe is coming.Again, the season is over you want Gase fired. Who do you want running the team?
As I said, I fear that this team will do just enough to save his job.
/Again, the season is over you want Gase fired. Who do you want running the team?
Is McCarthy your final answer?
It's easy to want to fire a head coach because he "sucks", but there usually isn't an available coach who has been successful. I'm just as unhappy about Gase as the next guy, but I don't want to fire someone because we're unhappy with him if it means our next hire is Mike McCarthy.
I'm still intrigued with Matt Rhule. But he signed an extension with Baylor during the summer...so i'm sure he's off the table now.
Another intriguing guy is Kevin O'Connell...he has history with the jets.
Yes let's sign a guy who has 5 games experience as a offensive coordinator that the Redskins want as their HC, as our HC.
What could go wrong
He's receiving high praise from around the league for being a bright offensive mind.
Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay both came from the Redskins coaching factory.
I think you're letting perceived biases influence your opinion. How many Patriots' coordinators do you know have gone on to successful coaching careers?
Shanahan had 8 years of being a coordinator. Mccvay had 3 but 9 years in some sort of coaching role.
O'Connell has 5 games an OC and 4 years in a coaching related role.
I'd even be uneasy with someone like Kellen Moore as a HC, even though he seems to be a commodity
And the issue wasn't that he came from the Redskins. It's that the Redskins want him as their HC and who would trust Dan Snyders judgement
/Again, the season is over you want Gase fired. Who do you want running the team?
Is McCarthy your final answer?
It's easy to want to fire a head coach because he "sucks", but there usually isn't an available coach who has been successful. I'm just as unhappy about Gase as the next guy, but I don't want to fire someone because we're unhappy with him if it means our next hire is Mike McCarthy.
of course Dan Snyder wants to keep him. He already looks stupid for letting McVay and Shanahan go and keeping Gruden.
I'm not saying we should hire OConnell, but he's certainly worth bringing in for an interview if Gase gets let go in the offseason.
I'd rather bring in someone who's bright and has new ideas...than some retread like McCarthy or some snake oil salesman like Gase.
Let's be clear. You asked who--that is available right now--I would replace Gase with. McCarthy is someone who fits that bill. But I don't really want McCarthy. Rhule and Kingsbury were the guys I wanted in the offseason. If Gase is fired, I'd again look to the college ranks to find someone.
[Solak] Receiving yards in 2019: 1. Michael Thomas (543) 2. Amari Cooper (512) 3. Chris Godwin (511) 4. Cooper Kupp (505) 5. D.J. Chark (485) 6. Keenan Allen (470) 7. The New York Jets (454)
Let's be clear. You asked who--that is available right now--I would replace Gase with. McCarthy is someone who fits that bill. But I don't really want McCarthy. Rhule and Kingsbury were the guys I wanted in the offseason. If Gase is fired, I'd again look to the college ranks to find someone.
I'm just making a point that there aren't many good options and there are no great options, just a bunch of who the freak knows. So maybe, let's not go calling for the coaches head after 4 games when half our starting defense has been injured and our starting quarterback has been injured.
Again, I'm not happy with gase so far, and was upset with the hire, but let's stop pretending like there are or were far and away better options.
No one could've won with Luke Falk at QB.
No one could've won with Luke Falk at QB.
No one could've won with Luke Falk at QB.I could have
No one is arguing that. What I would be arguing is, why is he the next choice? I get him being the backup for Cleveland, assuming Trevor would survive and he knows the offense. But when we knew Siemian was out and needed somebody for at least another week and quite possibly longer why did we say freak it we will stay with Falk. That’s on the coach and/or the GM, obviously they thought they could at least compete with him or else they would have brought in someone else. And that bothers me a lot. Expecting to win with a guy, and “just give yourself a chance to be in the game” are two entirely different things. Your backup is expected to be the latter, and the guy you trot out as a starter should also at least fall into that category.
Especially with the bye in there, someone else could have brought in with 2 weeks to learn the offense and be behind Sam if he was healthy or at least try and compete if he wasnt
No one is arguing that. What I would be arguing is, why is he the next choice? I get him being the backup for Cleveland, assuming Trevor would survive and he knows the offense. But when we knew Siemian was out and needed somebody for at least another week and quite possibly longer why did we say freak it we will stay with Falk. That’s on the coach and/or the GM, obviously they thought they could at least compete with him or else they would have brought in someone else. And that bothers me a lot. Expecting to win with a guy, and “just give yourself a chance to be in the game” are two entirely different things. Your backup is expected to be the latter, and the guy you trot out as a starter should also at least fall into that category.
Especially with the bye in there, someone else could have brought in with 2 weeks to learn the offense and be behind Sam if he was healthy or at least try and compete if he wasnt
You can absolutely criticize them for not bringing in another QB after the bye. They must have not thought a veteran would have been worth it for 1 week of playing. Maybe Falk looked good in practice.
We should really consider extending Gase before his rates sky rocketLet’s trade him while his value is pointing up
Let’s trade him while his value is pointing up
Nobody is crowning Gase. But he deserved a shot with Darnold before Jets fans made their judgments on him. This was what we were looking for when we hired him. Hopefully we can keep this up.
We should really consider extending Gase before his rates sky rocket
Last time we traded a HC didn't work out for us
Great job by Gase giving Darnold 2 weeks of practice so he was ready to go from the jump. Those extra reps helped.
All credit goes to the sacrificial lamb Luke FalkAnd some credit to Greg Dortch....just because
3 points in the 2nd half gives me pause but then again the cunts in black and white made the game closer.
In all seriousness though, I'm not ready to get on board the Gase bandwagon. Yeah, that was an amazing game and fun to watch, but they didn't score a TD in the second half. It really seems, much like the last two coaching staffs, that halftime adjustments aren't a thing with this team.
I said this yesterday, and I'll repeat it here. I'm happy to be completely wrong about one thing. Sam Darnold changes everything. He really is that good.
If we were arguing that 4 games was to small a sample to reach a conclusion, 1 game is even less.
3 points in the 2nd half gives me pause but then again the cunts in black and white made the game closer.I blame the defense more for that than anything else. Dallas had the ball all the time in the 2nd half.
I blame the defense more for that than anything else. Dallas had the ball all the time in the 2nd half.
2nd half drives
- 9 plays, 64 yards, Int
- 5 plays, 13 yards, Punt
- 7 plays, 57 yards, FG
- 3 kneeldowns, end of game
The first drive would have resulted in points if Sam didn't get picked. The 2nd drive wasn't good, but the 3rd drive was exactly what we needed to win the game. We needed points badly on the 3rd drive, and we got them. 7 would have been better than 3, but 3 made it a game where worst case scenario, we went to OT.
Hard to score that many points when you only have 3 drives to deal with.
Adam Gase, offensive genius, unable to counter the same blitz all game long even onceIt's not what you want .
I'm so glad we finally have an offensive head coach able to call up plays to counteract defensive schemes and develop our franchise quarterback the way we've been crying out for. Aren't we all in such a happy place now?
I honestly don't know how Gase gets another year after that display last night. I don't want to hear about the oline or this roster in general...there are other teams with shittier situations than ours (Giants, Phins) that put up a better fight against the pats than we did.
I wanted to give Gase a chance, but he's done. The one prime directive he had was to develop our franchise QB, and that took a major hit last night.
I'm hoping New Yorkers put up the same billboards that took down Idzik for this clown.
We should start flying planes around MetLife stadium to fire Joe Douglas. This franchise hasn't won a single game with him as GM. He's literally the worst GM in all of sports of all time.
Idzik would be better
Hell Woody Johnson should just give the team to James Dolan. Even he's never hired a GM as freaking terrible as Joe Douglas
Can we freaking cut Quinnen Williams too? freaking dude is making all this money and can't even stay on the field. Holy freak such a wasted draft pick. Gholston was better, at least he occasionally got on the field
Am I doing it right?
It's all over twitter about Gase still being Douglas's guy. I'm pretty sure the loyalty will be tested, especially after that debacle last night. Gase is clearly in over his head, and the excrement we saw last year in Miami certainly wasn't an anomaly. That is confirmed. No argument required. Belichick prison-raped Gase on national TV.
Whoever said it wasn't a good idea to allow Matt Rhule to pick his own staff should be fired into the sun.
Amongst all the excrement we've seen so far this season, last night was by far the most depressing and hopeless performance. Darnold looked like Falk out there. This is on Gase.Last night was by far the worst night of the year because Darnold actually played and was healthy. I thought Gase deserved a chance with Darnold. I still think he does - it's still October. But last night is a major red flag.
Amongst all the excrement we've seen so far this season, last night was by far the most depressing and hopeless performance. Darnold looked like Falk out there. This is on Gase.
You guys know what's going to happen, the Jets will do much better against the easiest part of the schedule. They will finish 6-10 or 7-9 and because all the wins happen at the end, Gase will be the coach next year.
Here's my worry, if you can't at least have a sensible game plan against BB then what good are you as a coach of this team? I didn't want him like MB, I didn't fall in love with him like MB, so I don't have to admit I was totally and completely wrong like MB, so I guess there's that.
To the above point, this roster sucks whales balls we all know it. They haven't drafted well in a freaking dogs age, that's a given.
To those two points, What we do expect is a modicum of competent coaching, a competitive team that plays hard and is in general not an easy out. With the understanding the better teams are just going to beat the Jets but not easily. This year outside of 2 games have we seen this? What I see is a coach in over his head and not coaching the team up, almost coaching them down. He is just an offensive minded Todd Bowles.
Also I don't like the way Osemele was treated, it's telling about Gase and management in general. It's a bad look, it's probably no different than what most teams do. However, taken in conjunction with all the myriad of other stuff I don't like it gives me pause as to having any hope they will turn around this treadmill of excrement we have to watch every year.
I didn't want Gase. I was willing to give him a chance. That's a big difference.
He failed miserably.
I didn't want Gase. I was willing to give him a chance. That's a big difference.
He failed miserably.
You guys know what's going to happen, the Jets will do much better against the easiest part of the schedule. They will finish 6-10 or 7-9 and because all the wins happen at the end, Gase will be the coach next year.
Here's my worry, if you can't at least have a sensible game plan against BB then what good are you as a coach of this team? I didn't want him like MB, I didn't fall in love with him like MB, so I don't have to admit I was totally and completely wrong like MB, so I guess there's that.
To the above point, this roster sucks whales balls we all know it. They haven't drafted well in a freaking dogs age, that's a given.
To those two points, What we do expect is a modicum of competent coaching, a competitive team that plays hard and is in general not an easy out. With the understanding the better teams are just going to beat the Jets but not easily. This year outside of 2 games have we seen this? What I see is a coach in over his head and not coaching the team up, almost coaching them down. He is just an offensive minded Todd Bowles.
Also, I don't like the way Osemele was treated, it's telling about Gase and management in general. It's a bad look, even though it's probably no different than what most teams do. However, taken in conjunction with the myriad of other stuff, I don't like, it gives me pause as to having any hope they will turn around this treadmill of excrement we have to watch every year.
Personally, I don't think it matters whether or not I wanted him. I'm willing to admit that I don't know for sure. I can't judge him based on what happened in Miami. There was some good and some bad, and you could have made a case he was dealt a bad hand in Miami. So I gave him a clean slate here.
If it continues like this, I will join all of you in calling for his head. There are still 10 games to evaluate him. Obviously, I'm not sold on Gase, and I'm leaning towards thinking he won't be the answer here, but I think he deserves more games before I make a concrete judgment.
Personally, I don't think it matters whether or not I wanted him. I'm willing to admit that I don't know for sure. I can't judge him based on what happened in Miami. There was some good and some bad, and you could have made a case he was dealt a bad hand in Miami. So I gave him a clean slate here.
If it continues like this, I will join all of you in calling for his head. There are still 10 games to evaluate him. Obviously, I'm not sold on Gase, and I'm leaning towards thinking he won't be the answer here, but I think he deserves more games before I make a concrete judgment.
That's a fair shout but nothing good comes of a coach falling behind the 8 ball early. The whole Jet Nation is having serious doubts about Gaze and after the Bowles saga no one is getting a pass for long. If we stick this out and start next year on the back foot after early defeats on what will be a pretty hard schedule who knows what the pressure will be like on him. We're fucked.I jumped off the Bowles bandwagon before pretty much anyone else on this board. I wanted him fired year 2. I'm willing to give up on a bad coach early if I think he's bad. I don't like what I've seen from Gase, but I still think it's too early.
I jumped off the Bowles bandwagon before pretty much anyone else on this board.
you can hold my beer, sir.You and I were the earliest ones.
You and I were the earliest ones.
Sam Darnold was caught on mic literally saying he was seeing ghosts out there. And Adam Gase let him continue to get beat by that defense, neither making simpler playcalls nor sitting him down.
Sam's a more gifted player, but the last franchise QB of this team was wrecked once he started hearing footsteps.
They have to look at the film and get better from it, there's no other way. Darnold could play 12 years in the NFL and not see a defense, team and coach better than what he saw last night. Can't be scared away by it, look at it and take it on.
What do you honestly feel Darnold learned in the fourth quarter last night?I said during the game I would have been fine pulling him as early as the 3rd quarter.
I understand the idea of learning, and even into the third quarter he should keep playing. But by the fourth quarter the game was over and the defense was just in full-on attack mode. What did Sam learn? How to take 2 steps, then throw randomly off his back foot? Okay, he'll watch the film and say "Yeah, that's bad. I shouldn't have done that." Wonderful. Maybe next he'll get caught in a blizzard in swim trunks. That'll teach him.
What do you honestly feel Darnold learned in the fourth quarter last night?
I understand the idea of learning, and even into the third quarter he should keep playing. But by the fourth quarter the game was over and the defense was just in full-on attack mode. What did Sam learn? How to take 2 steps, then throw randomly off his back foot? Okay, he'll watch the film and say "Yeah, that's bad. I shouldn't have done that." Wonderful. Maybe next he'll get caught in a blizzard in swim trunks. That'll teach him.
But you can make the case that if he can't recover from this, he was never going to be the guy anyway.
"You know what to do. Just trust yourself."
Gonna start saying this to my kids when they have a shitfit over me asking them do something on their own.
"Your honor, I trusted him not to put his hand in the blender. He's better than that"
Gonna start saying this to my kids when they have a shitfit over me asking them do something on their own.
I said during the game I would have been fine pulling him as early as the 3rd quarter.
But you can make the case that if he can't recover from this, he was never going to be the guy anyway.
Cowherd said today that Gase and Williams don't get along.Nothing would surprise me but I dont blame the defense for being upset.
I actually don't believe this. Just posting because Cowherd is a douche
Gase: “I haven’t found the formula yet to make us anything close to consistent.”
the guy supposed doesn't sleep...what the freak is he doing?
Constant masturbation.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191023/b3c7c22285488fe4d03c0b8a7b51dbac.jpg)
Cowherd said today that Gase and Williams don't get along.
I actually don't believe this. Just posting because Cowherd is a douche
Gase: “I haven’t found the formula yet to make us anything close to consistent.”
Here's an experiment.
Can you name 10 current coaches you would be happy to coach the jets?
We don't need ten coaches, we need one. Assuming you're asking the question in the context of who is actually available, then no, I can't name ten. Because no one who's good is available right now.
I would definitely be on the phone to Michigan right now though to see whether they think Jim is going to be their guy long term, and ask them to let me be the first one to know if they're going to give him the push.
I'm not asking that. I'm asking. Can you name 10 current nfl coaches you would be happy as the head coach of the jets? I'll start it off.
Bellicheat
Shanahan
Mcvay
Tomlin
....
Here's an experiment.Harbaugh
Can you name 10 current coaches you would be happy to coach the jets?
Harbaugh
Reid
Tomlin
BO'B
Payton
Pederson
...
By current do you mean currently HC in the NFL? Does it include college coaches? By happy do you mean content or legit excited?
If we're just going current NFL head coaches, I can't list you ten I wouldn't have over Gase. He's in the bottom tier of coaches I would want nothing to do with, along with Vrabel and Kitchens. There are no other current NFL head coaches that I do not think are better than Gase. In fact, I'd take Vrabel and Kitchens as co-ordinators but I can't say the same for Gase. On that basis I think Gase is the worst head coach in the NFL.
Freddie Kitchens is worse than Adam Gase
Look at how much talent they have and the results
Just trying to make a point that our fanbase would likely not be happy with atleast half of the coaches who are currently coaching an NFL team. What that means is that our expectations of coaches and what they are capable is likely too high.
I'm not happy with Gase right now, but I also realize this team is trash. I dont know what's better letting a coach work through issues and get his guys or keep taking shots at new coaches. I usually lean towards the former, but this team just hasn't looked prepared offensively.
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I understand your point, but I don't think it's a fair one.After watching some of the all 22 clips it looks like half the blame is on the o line not picking up assignments sam is calling out.
Most coaches, likely even Belichick, would be losing with this roster. But how many would be getting absolutely embarrassed is the question. As you said, this team looks completely unprepared offensively, and have we yet seen one in-game adjustment from this staff?
First, the excuse was that Sam and Moseley were out. They were both back and still got thoroughly beaten from the first tick of the clock.
I hate the coaching carousel. Every one is an organizational setback. The question I'm posing is: does Adam Gase show enough of anything to warrant giving him additional years and roster decisions that if they don't pan out, we're a couple of more years into Darnold's development to start all over once again?
Unless you firmly believe Gase can turn things around, you have to start over ASAP. Not wait another year or two and hope he "figures out the formula."
Gase could redeem himself in my book by dying in a fire.
After watching some of the all 22 clips it looks like half the blame is on the o line not picking up assignments sam is calling out.
On the other handing. Going 3 wide we with an empty backfield doesnt help anyone
Because we're the Jets, my assumption is that we're going to win enough games down the stretch to justify to ownership retaining Gase for another season and then he'll promptly run himself out of town next year.
I really like the way greg William's talks about building a team and preparing his defense for a game in his press conferences. Dare I'd say I'd be interested in him being our head coach.
issue becomes can you find an elite offensive mind capable of turning Darnold into a star, yet isn't capable of getting a HC job himself? Won't be easy, and I certainly don't think Greg Williams is that man
TBH I'm a little bored of us constantly searching for the next bright young thing, and consistently turning up duds. I'd be entirely happy to entrust Sam's development to an older head, someone who has been there and done it all before. My optimal scenario is that Michigan gives up on Jim Harbaugh, but I'd not be unhappy with someone like Gary Kubiak.Agreed. We dont need a homerun. With Sam we need a double
Gase has more double-digit losses as a head coach than wins. It's not what you want.
I don't hold Miami against him as much as a lot of people, and he's been dealt a terrible hand here, but if Darnold doesn't turn it around by the end of the season, he's going to be a one-and-done.
We will also be drafting top 3 and trying to decide if we should be trading the pick to a QB needy team or taking a QB and trading Sam to a QB needy team.If we're picking top 3, is Sam going to even have trade value at that point?
freak everything about even having to entertain that thought
We will also be drafting top 3 and trying to decide if we should be trading the pick to a QB needy team or taking a QB and trading Sam to a QB needy team.You stop it with that nonsense
freak everything about even having to entertain that thought
Would you take josh McDaniels as a head coach?
If we're picking top 3, is Sam going to even have trade value at that point?What did the Cards get for Rosen again?
Would you take josh McDaniels as a head coach?At this point I’d take Schotty
Added: Bell, Crowder, DT
Lost: Nothing of value, right?
And somehow we're worse
This. Same talent on the offensive line from last year. When you make Jeremy Bates look resourceful...Yeah, we shuffled a few guys around but pretty much the same talent level
Added: Bell, Crowder, DT, Loggains
Lost: Nothing of value, right?
And somehow we're worse
I'm holding out hope that Darnold looks so bad because of the line in front of him and that's it. I'd like to think that if he had an average line he'd be playing ok right now.
We will also be drafting top 3 and trying to decide if we should be trading the pick to a QB needy team or taking a QB and trading Sam to a QB needy team.
freak everything about even having to entertain that thought
I don't think it's fair to say the OL is the same as last year. We had a new OG in Osemele. We had a new C in Kalil/Harrison. Beachum is injured. The OL is a lot different than last year.
We need to invest as many resources as possible into the offensive line this offseason.I don't want a single freaking one of these linemen back to start. Maybe Edoga and Harrison as a backups. Burn down the line.
I don't think it's fair to say the OL is the same as last year. We had a new OG in Osemele. We had a new C in Kalil/Harrison. Beachum is injured. The OL is a lot different than last year.
You stop it with that nonsense
There’s absolutely zero chance we trade Darnold and pick a QBI don't want to play this game, but...
I don't want to play this game, but...
What if Sam has no more good games the rest of the season and Gase actually does get fired. What if the new coach wants nothing to do with Darnold and sees a highly touted prospect QB as his ultimate model player?
I don't actually think this would happen, but after Rosen/Murray, there's a chance.
Any new coach should be hired with the clear and specific mandate to develop Sam. I don't think there's a reasonable comparison to Kingsbury and Murray this season unless you think that Saban and Tua are our future, and I know you don't think that.
Added: Bell, Crowder, DT
Lost: Nothing of value, right?
And somehow we're worse
Gase < BowlesStop
StopHypothetical: If you fire Gase you have to rehire Bowles. What do you do?
Hypothetical: If you fire Gase you have to rehire Bowles. What do you do?
Hypothetical: If you fire Gase you have to rehire Bowles. What do you do?I want to fight this post
Let’s just forfeit the next game and call it a bye week
Why not just the next 9?Just forfeit every season until the Johnsons are dead
As awful as this game was, I can't see how you can blame GaseBringing an OL coach as the HC is stupid unless he's a great coach. Hiring Bill Callahan as head coach would be the height of stupidity.
It looked like a high-schools offensive line protecting Darnold. And our defense just got burnt on a lot of huge plays.
I absolutely think we need to start compiling a list of coaches and do our due diligence, and I think Gase is very likely going to be fired. But he's not the problem
Maybe we should hire an oline coach as our next HC. Bring Bill Callahan in for an interview
Bringing an OL coach as the HC is stupid unless he's a great coach. Hiring Bill Callahan as head coach would be the height of stupidity.
We just need a quality head coach. I would prefer an offensive head coach because I think they're more aggressive in general. I loved that Gase went for 2 on the touchdown today to cut the lead to 7. I want a coach who understands analytics. I'm not sure if Gase is that guy, but that was nice to see.
We fix the OL by bringing in new OL. Not by hiring Bill Callahan as head coach.
We will also be drafting top 3 and trying to decide if we should be trading the pick to a QB needy team or taking a QB and trading Sam to a QB needy team.
freak everything about even having to entertain that thought
I don't think it's fair to say the OL is the same as last year. We had a new OG in Osemele. We had a new C in Kalil/Harrison. Beachum is injured. The OL is a lot different than last year.
Gase < Bowles
I don't want to play this game, but...
What if Sam has no more good games the rest of the season and Gase actually does get fired. What if the new coach wants nothing to do with Darnold and sees a highly touted prospect QB as his ultimate model player?
I don't actually think this would happen, but after Rosen/Murray, there's a chance.
Seppuku
No one is entertaining that thought besides you and possibly dcm. Kindly freak off before you think about posting something like that again
We had a bottom tier OL last year and we have a bottom tier OL this year. It’s looked bad with Beachum playing and both centers playing. It’s relatively the same talent level, slightly less due to injury.
The biggest difference to me is that OL have no idea who they’re supposed to block at times, we have no answer for the blitz, and now adjustments when individual lineman are getting dominated in one on one matchups.
I loved that Gase went for 2 on the touchdown today to cut the lead to 7. I want a coach who understands analytics. I'm not sure if Gase is that guy, but that was nice to see.
Can you try it anyway? asking for a friend.
Titans' Ryan Tannehill: Wins second consecutive start
Tannehill completed 21 of 33 pass attempts for 193 yards and three touchdowns during Sunday's 27-23 win against the Buccaneers.
The 31-year-old signal-caller has offered a welcomed change of pace at the quarterback position for Tennessee, completing better than 70 percent of his passes and boasting a 5:1 TD:INT ratio in two games as the starter.
you have no friends
I wanted to ask if everyone is finally on board the "fire Gase into the Sun" bandwagon, but it appears some people still aren't convinced.
What exactly is it going to take to convince you guys Gase is bad for this team?
It was really cool to see Gase throw Sam under the bus in his presser. Basically blamed Sam for changing the playcalls at the LOS too many times.
Remember when Gase got credit for "overachieving" with this guy:
I wanted to ask if everyone is finally on board the "fire Gase into the Sun" bandwagon, but it appears some people still aren't convinced.
What exactly is it going to take to convince you guys Gase is bad for this team?
It was really cool to see Gase throw Sam under the bus in his presser. Basically blamed Sam for changing the playcalls at the LOS too many times.
Remember when Gase got credit for "overachieving" with this guy:
Well the question stands.....
I remember when people blamed Luke Falk for this
Don't worry, now it's the offensive line's fault.
They're certainly a big part of the problem.
Next week is pivotal. If the Phins win, Gase either goes sometime before the offseason or the Jets will be playing in front of an empty crowd next year.
The OL is a problem. But how much is purely the talent and how much is the coaching? It was discussed around here somewhere, but basically the same players from last year are markedly worse this year.
If the Jets lose next week, Gase better not be on the plane home.
He considered his time as the offensive coordinator in Denver, a time in which Peyton Manning broke the season touchdown pass record, and decided guards were really a luxury the Dolphins didn’t need. Because Manning could get rid of the football so fast, guards basically had nothing to do on many plays anyway and Gase thought things could work the same in Miami.
That’s an interesting one, by the way.
After the 2016 season when the Dolphins needed a serious upgrade to their defense, Gase decided he could make the offense operate on the cheap while the defense added players. So the coach practically ignored the need for guards.
And Ross challenged him about that.
And Gase yelled at the owner about knowing more about football than he did. Multiple sources say a high-ranking club official had to intervene and tell Gase he could not speak to the owner — his boss — that way.
Miami Herald
This is wild, but hear me out- on a lot of our offensive plays our guards look like they have no clue what their assignment is or who to pick up.
Miami Herald
This is wild, but hear me out- on a lot of our offensive plays our guards look like they have no clue what their assignment is or who to pick up.
Except we traded for a guard with a 12 million dollar salary. Traded for another guard whose now a starter, and signed the most expensive free agent center available. Gase also wanted us to go out and sign the best center in free agency but Mac didn't comply
So I'm not really sure what the relevance of the article is
Bruh.
As you saw this year, $12M doesn’t mean the player is good. He got traded for a mid round pick for a reason. We had a hole with Carpenter leaving and the FA market was barren for OL so unless we weren’t starting a LG a move had to be made.
We traded a 2020 conditional 7th round pick for Alex Lewis, a practice squad player, so no.
Signing a guy that’s retired is not evidence of putting high value on the OL.
The point of the article is that I’ve heard multiple times now that Gase doesn’t value OG, and I think it shows in his schemes. Gase has had OL issues his entire coaching career, and I’ve been thinking for a while now that he’s part of the root cause. They had tons of OL issues last year with Laremy Tunsil and JaWuan James starting at OT.
I don't think I've hated a NYJ head coach more than Gase in my entire life. You could argue maybe Kotite, but I was still in high school and just found the losing comical.
Miami Herald
This is wild, but hear me out- on a lot of our offensive plays our guards look like they have no clue what their assignment is or who to pick up.
He didn't want Moseley or Bell, and doesn't value guards. Let's also not forget that his preferred QB from that draft was Mayfield, not Darnold also.
Oh, and it's cute that he literally had to be told not to scold the guy who signs his paychecks. But it was only shitty players who thought he was a queynte, right?
Fire this clown now.
Well Mosley and Bell will never live up to their contracts, so Gase wasn't wrong there
Who said anything about a player being good? You're talking about what he values. If Gase didn't value the interior OL then why would he trade draft picks for the 3rd highest paying guard in the NFL, trade (yes a late pick) for another guard and try to sign the two highest valued centers available on the market?
The moves didn't work, I don't disagree there. But to suggest that he'd be willing to pay a guard 12 million dollars yet thinks the position is worthless is mind boggling to me
That's a bit ridiculous to say.Gase will still be here next year.
Bell is a historically good running back who is being entirely underutilized by the offensive guru HC. Moseley got hurt but looked like an absolute beast in his brief time prior to the injury.
I'll wait to see what they do under the next coaching staff before I write either of them off as being unworthy.
Also, freak Adam Gase.
That's a bit ridiculous to say.
Bell is a historically good running back who is being entirely underutilized by the offensive guru HC. Moseley got hurt but looked like an absolute beast in his brief time prior to the injury.
I'll wait to see what they do under the next coaching staff before I write either of them off as being unworthy.
Also, freak Adam Gase.
It's not ridiculous to say when they both made super elite money. And Mosley missed this entire season and Bell is on pace for the worst season of his career by a huge margin.
They'd both need to be all pro the next 3 years to live up to their deals at this rate
No, it is ridiculous to say. Mosley is hurt and Bell is playing behind a historically bad OL. Both of those things are out of the players control.
I'm not blaming the players. Just pointing out that they will not give the production their contracts warranted
Gase will still be here next year.The fans won’t be
I wanted to ask if everyone is finally on board the "fire Gase into the Sun" bandwagon, but it appears some people still aren't convinced.I'm gonna be totally honest, I'm not 100% on the bandwagon but it doesn't have anything to do with a positive opinion of Gase. I just don't like the idea of firing a coach during his first season or putting Darnold through another new offense for the third year in a row.
What exactly is it going to take to convince you guys Gase is bad for this team?
It was really cool to see Gase throw Sam under the bus in his presser. Basically blamed Sam for changing the playcalls at the LOS too many times.
Remember when Gase got credit for "overachieving" with this guy:
I'm gonna be totally honest, I'm not 100% on the bandwagon but it doesn't have anything to do with a positive opinion of Gase. I just don't like the idea of firing a coach during his first season or putting Darnold through another new offense for the third year in a row.This is essentially where I'm at. I also dont think firing Gase midseason does anything so he has the rest of the year to develop Darnold. We will see where Sam is in December. It's not like we can hire Lincoln Riley today.
I'm gonna be totally honest, I'm not 100% on the bandwagon but it doesn't have anything to do with a positive opinion of Gase. I just don't like the idea of firing a coach during his first season or putting Darnold through another new offense for the third year in a row.
He didn't want Moseley or Bell, and doesn't value guards. Let's also not forget that his preferred QB from that draft was Mayfield, not Darnold also.
Oh, and it's cute that he literally had to be told not to scold the guy who signs his paychecks. But it was only shitty players who thought he was a queynte, right?
Fire this clown now.
Pretty sure Adam Gase desperately wanted MosleyThe facts dont matter. The fan base wants blood at this point. It's probably deserved but we will see at the end of the season.
If the offense continues looking like this, I'd rather put him through another new offense
Pretty sure Adam Gase desperately wanted Mosley
He wanted Mosley but what about Moseley? Food for thought...
The facts dont matter. The fan base wants blood at this point. It's probably deserved but we will see at the end of the season.
I think the contract situation is going to be a huge huge freaking issue. I mean when's the last time a team paid 3 seperate head coaches their full salary for the same season?Gase is probably making 4 million a year, I wouldn’t over think it
Between Gase, Bowles, and whatever new guy the Jets would have to back up the brinks truck to sucker into coming here. The Jets would be paying an astronomical amount of money out (yes next season they would have to pay all 3 head coaches their full salary)
This alone might cause the team to be overly generous when it comes to determining Gases future.
As a matter of fact I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's extremely improbable that Gase is fired after this season. I think MAYBE if we lose out there's a chance he gets canned. But 2 or 3 more wins and I think the odds are strongly in his favor of a return
Gase is probably making 4 million a year, I wouldn’t over think it
Bowles is probably making 4, Gase likely 5, and the next coach (assuming we don't get garbage) would probably be in the 6-8 million dollar range. I don't know assistants and coordinators contracts work, but I'd imagine we will be playing plenty of them too. Easily cranking up that number to 20+ millionFair enough but we’re paying guys like Mosley and Johnson that to barely see the field. The cost of losing fans, advertising dollars, primetime games, merch, etc outweighs whatever bullshit money they owe some coaches
Fair enough but we’re paying guys like Mosley and Johnson that to barely see the field. The cost of losing fans, advertising dollars, primetime games, merch, etc outweighs whatever bullshit money they owe some coaches
I mean there's also the fact that Gase essentially hired our GM and Chris Johnson has a man crush on himI agree I think Gase is here until Black Monday unless there is complete mutiny in Florham Park
I'll concede at this point I think firing Gase is mandatory if this team continues to look like it has the last 2 weeks. But I think it's more probable than not that the deck is stacked in his favor. And a lot of fans are going to be extremely disappointed because in their minds the dudes already good as gone. Look at this board, and these are the more rational fans.
Bowles is probably making 4, Gase likely 5, and the next coach (assuming we don't get garbage) would probably be in the 6-8 million dollar range. I don't know assistants and coordinators contracts work, but I'd imagine we will be playing plenty of them too. Easily cranking up that number to 20+ million
Regardless you're talking about highly unusual circumstances where you're paying 3 head coaches (and probably some of their staff) concurrently
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If the offense continues looking like this, I'd rather put him through another new offense
Pretty sure Adam Gase desperately wanted Mosley
The facts dont matter. The fan base wants blood at this point. It's probably deserved but we will see at the end of the season.
He wanted Mosley but what about Moseley? Food for thought...
Exactly. Keeping a coach simply because you don't want to change the system again is a bad reason to keep him. He's a sunk cost. Why compound that?
I've asked over and over, what do people see from Gase--now or in his history--that tells them he can be relied on to right the ship? Unless you firmly believe he's the answer, keeping him around is nothing more than kicking the can down the road--at the expense of more years of Darnold's career.
He didn't want to pay Mosley--same as Bell. So maybe I was wrong about whether he "wanted" the player--I didn't go looking that hard to see--but he was against the contract:
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/16/jets-adam-gase-stuck-with-players-he-didnt-want-to-pay-for-leveon-bell-cj-mosley/ (https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/16/jets-adam-gase-stuck-with-players-he-didnt-want-to-pay-for-leveon-bell-cj-mosley/)
Obviously not.
Cute
Take it with a huge grain of salt as this is from Manish. But he said that Gase has a history of saying that he didn't want some high-profile players, so that if the move fails he can hedge and say he was against it from the start, and if it succeeds he can make it a testament to his coaching success.
Sounds kinda like Manish bullshit to me though
How late were you up making that?
I think the contract situation is going to be a huge huge freaking issue. I mean when's the last time a team paid 3 seperate head coaches their full salary for the same season?dcm looking out for the Johnson family finances again
Between Gase, Bowles, and whatever new guy the Jets would have to back up the brinks truck to sucker into coming here. The Jets would be paying an astronomical amount of money out (yes next season they would have to pay all 3 head coaches their full salary)
This alone might cause the team to be overly generous when it comes to determining Gases future.
As a matter of fact I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's extremely improbable that Gase is fired after this season. I think MAYBE if we lose out there's a chance he gets canned. But 2 or 3 more wins and I think the odds are strongly in his favor of a return
If we are going full fire sale, Gase will be good. Don't need any wins anymore.
If we are going full fire sale, Gase will be good. Don't need any wins anymore.
a full raging fire sale should include the HC getting fired.
dcm looking out for the Johnson family finances again
dcm looking out for the Johnson family finances again
Man a lot of you are going to be very disappointed when they bring Gase back next year...
Man a lot of you are going to be very disappointed when they bring Gase back next year...
I still think it is 50/50 at worst he comes back.
Egg on my face time.
I wanted the guy here after Jimmy Harbs said "nah" especially considering the alternative options (you will never convince me Mike McCarthy would be a smart hire, especially considering the resurgence of Green Bay and all of the baggage that went with his exit out of there), and I'd still like to see him have the year to see if he can somewhat right the ship so to speak. And I still think some of the criticisms are off base. The idea that he was run out of town by anyone worth anything in Miami is false, it's been debunked by beat writers both here and in Miami. The players he got into personality conflicts with (Jarvis Landry being the prime suspect) are losing players. They've done nothing. Their opinion doesn't mean a goddamn thing. If it was Frank Gore, even long-tenured guys like Cameron Wake then I could definitely see the issue. I said it then and I'll say it now, none of his Dolphins teams underachieved relative to the talent he was working with.
But the substantive stuff that we heard about his play-calling have unfortunately reared their head. LeVeon getting 12 touches against Jacksonville is freaking insane. The insistence to keep Sam in an empty backfield when this front five operates as human turnstiles, even on situations where yes, historically you don't go to max protection are confounding. There doesn't seem to be any ability to adjust or recognize that the team isn't equipped to run his system, so he needs to adapt. Square pegs into round holes just continually seem to be getting smashed together.
It's easy to blame it on an offensive line that frankly I haven't seen look this bad since Boomer was in his last year here and got the excrement kicked out of him. They're the worst in the league by far. We've all covered this and I think we all agree, wholesale changes with the possibility of all five spots being replaced has to be on the table. I don't think it happens, but in the possibility that guys like Scherff and Conklin actually hit the open market, Douglas needs to be there day one to get them in the building. But it's on the coach to understand the weakness and adjust every chance he can. Whether that means more rollouts, bootlegs, keeping an extra tight end to help out the tackles, I don't know. Figure it the freak out because the product on the field is unacceptable.
I'm not enamored with the job Williams has done either, especially last week, but he's been allowed to slide under the radar because the offense is so shitty, our linebackers are the walking wounded and we have no corners. Hairston's actually looked serviceable. Daryl Roberts is who we thought he was (another brilliant Mac extension). Trumain Johnson has hit Santonio/Kenny Rogers/Danny Tartabull/Mike Mottau territory of people on a team I support who I just absolutely hate and never want to see again.
I'm sure you'll all love to hear this: I don't think its a foregone conclusion he finishes the year, nevermind comes back. If they lose the next two weeks I'd actually be shocked if ownership didn't pull the trigger and elevate Williams to interim HC and someone like Jim Bob to OC while Gase and Froto Loggins take the fall. If they lose to the Dolphins and Giants I think he's taken out back and old yellered, I don't even think there's a question about it. The Johnsons will not stand to see two losses like that in a row without being extremely reactionary. These are the same people that fired Mangini after a winning season largely because of the fallout of the back pages. And for better or worse, I do think they'll allow Douglas total control in the offseason to make the choice. I know there's the school of thought that Douglas is going to operate out of loyalty to Gase, but I was pretty encouraged by Bart Scott, a guy who's known Joe Douglas for a long time throwing cold water on that yesterday. These guys are uber-competitors who want first and foremost to win. We've seen loyalty go out the window in the face of underachievement a million times in the NFL.
I haven't been this gutted by a season since 2005.
If they lose the next two weeks I'd actually be shocked if ownership didn't pull the trigger and elevate Williams to interim HC and someone like Jim Bob to OC while Gase and Froto Loggins take the fall. If they lose to the Dolphins and Giants I think he's taken out back and old yellered, I don't even think there's a question about it. The Johnsons will not stand to see two losses like that in a row without being extremely reactionary.
No team fires their first year head coach mid-season.
No team fires their first year head coach mid-season.
For all the Gase is buddies with Douglas talk, Gase had no problem throwing his buddy under the bus yesterday with his whole "Nobody knocked on my door" to tell him players were on the trade block.Why does everything Gsse says get construed as throwing people under the bus?
What is firing Gase with 7 games left going to accomplish besides fulfill Jets fans' bloodlust.
What is firing Gase with 7 games left going to accomplish besides fulfill Jets fans' bloodlust.
It's just stupidAgreed. If there is a locker room mutiny, then sure, fire him. But there is no indication of that. Adams isnt happy but it seems like that's more directed at Douglas and the losing.
You only fire Gase before the end of the season if the lockeroom blows up in a seriously major way. Which the only way that happens is if things with Jamal turn seriously bad fast
Agreed. If there is a locker room mutiny, then sure, fire him. But there is no indication of that. Adams isnt happy but it seems like that's more directed at Douglas and the losing.The mutiny is coming...it’s still early
Totally forgot we have Jim bob cooter as a coach.
While I'm not confident in his ability, I feel more comfortable with a gase firing knowing there is someone on this coaching staff who has lead an offense.
If we lose the next two games fire gase
Gase isn't getting fired this offseason. Y'all need to accept it.
Oh man, if you guys think Gase doesn't like the run game, wait till we have Cooter calling plays
Gase isn't getting fired this offseason. Y'all need to accept it.Well not with that attitude
That's our running game coordinator you're talking about, y'know. It's honestly like someone asked a Bills fan to put together his dream coaching staff for the Jets.
Gase isn't getting fired this offseason. Y'all need to accept it.JACKASS ILL KILL YOU
He's actually the coach for the running backs, who do things other than just run the ball
Joel
@JoelMetsNY
Lol Beningo says he heard from a source that a plane is flying over MetLife Stadium with a “Fire Adam Gase” banner during the Jets-Giants game
do it
I hate to say it but I agree
Beningo has to be absolutely unlistenable right now. I can only imagine, no interest in tuning in.SBTF
Beningo has to be absolutely unlistenable right now. I can only imagine, no interest in tuning in.
SBTFAINEC
Adam Gase has run 5 offenses since leaving Peyton Manning’s side. Not one has ranked above average in points or yards.
freak this guy.
Serious question about Gase.
Do you fire him no matter what after this season? Or do you start evaluating the availability of coaching talent and having off the record discussions, contemplating whether you can get a coach you want right now or if we would be better off waiting until after next season?
The only question I have is who runs the offense if he's fired. Towel Logjam? I would hope he gets the hook too.
Jim Bob Cooter SZNI'd be fine with that.
The only question I have is who runs the offense if he's fired. Towel Logjam? I would hope he gets the hook too.
I would be fine with Loggains as HC, just to see if it’s possible to have a coach worse than GaseLol.
No. I fire him tonight, put Williams in charge and give Cooter playcalling responsibilities, then tell Douglas to start planning for our new coaching staff.
I would be fine with Loggains as HC, just to see if it’s possible to have a coach worse than Gase
I would be fine with Loggains as HC, just to see if it’s possible to have a coach worse than Gase
We’ve seen Darnold with Gase. I don’t give a excrement about Darnold having to go through 3 systems in 3 years because I’m fairly certain I know how he would look in Gase’s offense next year. Need to move on now or Darnold’s career as a Jet is at risk.
Never thought one game would change my mind, but I really think Gase might not be the coach tomorrow. The Jets have done the one thing that could get him fired that fast. Quit.I'm not quite as far along as you but this game felt like a breaking point.
Everyone points to Alex Smith as to why continually changing systems is a bad idea, and then ignores the fact that Alex Smith still turned out to be really freaking good. Sam is young, get him a proper coach next season and this year could turn out to be a really useful learning experience.
Just get Gase the freak out of here now before he does any more damage.
Everyone points to Alex Smith as to why continually changing systems is a bad idea, and then ignores the fact that Alex Smith still turned out to be really freaking good. Sam is young, get him a proper coach next season and this year could turn out to be a really useful learning experience.Alex Smith is the reason why I genuinely believe QBs don't fully develop until about 6-7 years in the NFL.
Just get Gase the freak out of here now before he does any more damage.
that's because Alex Smith was kissed by Andy Reid, quarterback whisperer.You may want to brush up on your NFL history
You may want to brush up on your NFL history
Gase: “It’s the NFL, man. You can’t be embarrassed by this excrement.” #Jets
Really....
Gase: “It’s the NFL, man. You can’t be embarrassed by this excrement.” #Jets
Really....
Even if Gase is 1 and done....who's going to want to coach here?
We're basically the Browns now.
Even if Gase is 1 and done....who's going to want to coach here?
We're basically the Browns now.
Even if Gase is 1 and done....who's going to want to coach here?Wrecks
We're basically the Browns now.
Even if Gase is 1 and done....who's going to want to coach here?
We're basically the Browns now.
Gase is excrement but don't be such a drama queen
Someone who wants a lot of freaking money and powerExcept Douglas has the power so it has to be someone who can work with him.
Except Douglas has the power so it has to be someone who can work with him.
If and when Gase is canned. I'm hoping Joe Douglas is at the forefront of finding the next HC. The Johnsons have proven they shouldn't be anywhere near the hiring process other than to sign the check.
im looking forward to douglas being fired and gase assuming total control...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191103/2ce97a58bec4de1ffd0e30900eb24c50.gif)
im looking forward to douglas being fired and gase assuming total control(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191103/f4777efbb75ee1c985d0da3538a546c0.jpg)
I know it's fun to hate on Manish, but he's not wrong.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-sam-darnold-dolphins-avance-20191102-wsnrzfaiifa5rnzemd34qhhb3q-story.html
Reid and Smith joined the Chiefs in 2013...what am i missing?Alex Smith turned good before he got to KC.
Josh McDaniels.Honestly would have preferred him over Gase.
Honestly would have preferred him over Gase.
I wouldn’t normally make such a quick decision on a head coach. But the #Jets have reached a stage where they aren’t functioning. They are a team without direction, a team in need of extreme action.
Honestly who the freak could we even get that we would be excited about?
Harbaugh is the #1 guy on my list, what he did to Alex Smith and eventually Kaepernick is absolutely amazing. He can revive Sam. The Johnsons would need to back up a brinks truck, but it would be amazing to see him roaming the sidelines for a few years and reviving our franchise
Crazy Jim is my #1, but if he's not available I want Kubiak.
At least Douglas has connections to a Harbaugh and Kubiak.
Who else does he have a working relationship with that is an option?
Gase sucks and needs to go. So do a lot of the players. Gase can't go out there and play for them.Did you watch Fubar 2 yet?
Did you watch Fubar 2 yet?Not yet. I cant find it.
After he was hired I convinced myself we might be getting an offensive-minded Mangini, a smart football mind with some fresh ideas who maybe just wasn't very personable, someone who could come in and right the ship, get things moving in the right direction.Exactly. I didnt want Gase but I didnt think he was so bad in Miami that it was a hopeless hire. So I supported him until I had enough reason otherwise.
Prrrrrrt
Don't get me wrong, if you had asked me before the hire if I wanted Gase I'd say hell no, but once the decision was made I tried to find the positives like a good Jets fan.
Never underestimate the power of the pen.Thank you for your service, kind sir.
I have written to the US Abassador in London and asked him for help. I know this is a longshot but at least Woody had a semblance of what Jet fans are all about; I can't believe he will be happy watching this tripe! I've asked him to fire his Brother and that hapless Gaze.
I know your probaly thinking that this is a complete waste of time but I'm desperate.
If I hear anything I'll report back.
I also wrote to Gaze;
Dear Gaze - freak off!
It's almost unheard of that a head coach gets another HC gig immediately after getting fired, but leave it to our poorly led organization to break the trend. I despised this hire from the start and hate the fact he's ruining Sam. Gase reports directly to Johnson, so he better grow a pair of balls and get rid of this clown
https://twitter.com/bburkeespn/status/1189238625457840130?s=21
Adam Gase in a graph
Rexy did it though he didn't last long in Buffalo
Rex destroyed that team in buffalo
It is killing me inside that Buffalo has recovered from their rex Ryan rebuild faster than we have despite the fact that they hired him after us.
Killing me even more is that the Bills are doing a better job developing Josh Allen at this point in time. How the freak do you allow that to happen?
I did not want this guy, hated the hire, hated the fact this stupid derriere owner actually gave him an interview let alone introduced him as a coach. Hated the fact this organization is as Wayne Gretzky said about the Devils, a Mickey Mouse organization. I can't freaking believe they were going to hire Rhule but not let him pick a staff. What the freak is that? The Jets do everything wrong and now they are stuck with that stupid derriere power structure. Can Douglas even fire Gase? Will he, Gase got him the freaking job. This might not be the worst of it that's the scary thing.
Also, can we please stop with this nonsense "No one will want to come here if we fire xyz." How many times does that have to be proven wrong?
There are 32 NFL head coaching jobs, and thousands of coaches across the United States who would offer up their firstborn for an opportunity to take one.
We'll get somebody of course, we always do. But who? That's the problem.
They’re waiting for Black Monday. We’re losing to the Giants, become the embarrassment of the city (even more) and they’ll cut ties to him. That’s what the optimist in me wants to think.Extension, we need to show solidarity in these trying times.
I remember when mono was the biggest problem this team had.
I remember when mono was the biggest problem this team had.
Jets' current average of 12.0 PPG would be the worst in franchise history. And that total includes the 24 non-offensive points they've scored. Only averaging 9.0 PPG on offense
I remember when mono was the biggest problem this team had.Not having an OL was still a pretty big deal then
Not having an OL was still a pretty big deal then
It's full blown Gaids.....MB Approved
For now on I am calling him Adam Gaids.
Per Manish
Christoper Johnson claims criticism of Gase by fans and media is "unfair"
Per Manish
Christoper Johnson claims criticism of Gase by fans and media is "unfair"
We should start blaming him, personally for the opiod crisisWe're not done with the Sackler family yet
No, what Manish says that Johnson is saying is that it’s unfair to criticize him (Johnson) for hiring Gase.Ok, so fire him immediately, apologise for allowing Maccagnan to hire him, everything is fixed.
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Ok, so fire him immediately, apologise for allowing Maccagnan to hire him, everything is fixed.
Francesa:
“This offense couldn’t be any worse if you left Gase in the locker room and let the QB draw up the plays in the dirt and make calls at the line of scrimmage”
He's not wrong
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Typical stupid Jets fans wasting money on nothing.
I agree Gase probably needs to go. I also think every coach should get a season to prove themselves. He hasnt gotten that yet. I don't expect it to be that much better, but if by week 16, Darnold is looking like a budding star again, it could be reasonable to bring him back.
Firing him now does nothing but appease some fans out for blood.
I'd consider keeping Gase next year, bringing in a real oc
This is, even by your standards, a ridiculous idea for reasons that should be blindingly obvious.
This is if the team can't find a mutually interested respectable HC.
If we can get a guy we want, great do it. But if not, I don't want Mccarthy or Freddie kitchens coming in here.
I'd rather turn it into a 2 year HC search and get the right guy, then a 6 months shitty one
My biggest concern is the team might not make any decisions on Gase until after week 17, which could potentially delay a competent full fledged HC search
Did you think this through at all? Why would Gase accept having a new OC forced onto him? One of two things will happen - either the team improves in which case it was clearly Gase's fault all along, or the team doesn't improve in which case Gase has been given every opportunity to be successful and he still isn't. Any which way, he ends up being on the block.
Finally the Jets have some stability in the organizationGase will be a black Monday casualty if this team keeps getting raped.
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Jets owner Christopher Johnson will "remain patient" with coach Adam Gase.
Schefter continues, "Circumstances always could change, but ownership is not inclined to make any head coaching moves." Through eight weeks, the Jets are 1-7 with the second-worst point differential in the NFL. The offense has been horrific, and team chemistry appears to be fractured after rumors swirled around the trade deadline. It's rare for a first-year coach to not make it out of Year 1, but many Jets fans would love to see Gase gone. Expect ownership to think about this harder at the end of the 2019 season.
Gase will be a black Monday casualty if this team keeps getting raped.
Fire Adam Gase despite this showing so far
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-front-office-was-split-between-adam-gase-todd-monken-after-meandering-coaching-search/
So how do you go from:
Wanting Rhule as HC and Monken as OC
To wanting Monken as HC
To hiring Gase
So how do you go from:
Wanting Rhule as HC and Monken as OC
To wanting Monken as HC
To hiring Gase
I liked Monken a lot as a candidate. He was probably my favorite candidate given his resume and offensive success in Tampa.
Nothing has changed...Gase still has to go.
I was toying with taking my son to the Redskins Jets game, but I'm trying to manage his expectations and now isn't a good time to do that. I'm trying not to chase him away from being a Jets fan. Kids at his age don't exactly gravitate towards constant losing. There's a difference between hearing about the game vs. watching them get their derriere handed to them in person.
I feel confident I have at least accomplished him hating the Pats.
I feel your pain.Time to cut her out of the will for such blatant insubordination.
My daughter used to watch the games with me when she was a wee girl and looking back we had a decent ratio of success to losing for her to have a genuine interest ( Early 2000's Chad and Sanchez era). She's 27 now and she lives away from home- this was her text last night.
" Dad! why did you saddle me with this hopeless team- we suck!"
Her boyfriend is a Bill's fan.
I feel your pain.I hope my kids someday text me about the Jets winning too much. But I'll gladly take what you got as long as they experience the curse with me.
My daughter used to watch the games with me when she was a wee girl and looking back we had a decent ratio of success to losing for her to have a genuine interest ( Early 2000's Chad and Sanchez era). She's 27 now and she lives away from home- this was her text last night.
" Dad! why did you saddle me with this hopeless team- we suck!"
Her boyfriend is a Bill's fan.
If you don't let the losing ruin the whole Sunday the kids will stick with the Jets because it's your team. My girls came with me yesterday with a group and they're all in with the Jets, granted they're girls. They've been in school for two Giants Super Bowls already but remain undeterred. Maybe the Jets will win in their lifetime.
Jets TD leaders:
Ryan Griffin 3
Le’Veon Bell 3
Jamal Adams 2
Jamison Crowder 2
#Jets owner Christopher Johnson spoke to a group of reporters out at practice. He said there will be NO changes at head coach before or after season.
Adam Gase will be back in 2020.
No matter what
- Hughes
#Jets owner Christopher Johnson spoke to a group of reporters out at practice. He said there will be NO changes at head coach before or after season.
Adam Gase will be back in 2020.
No matter what
- Hughes
Glad I went to two games this year, it will make up for going to none next year.
When we're bad I end up going a lot. Going again to the Raiders game, people are now eating tickets and looking for idiots to go sit through these games, so of course they hit me up. And I go, freak it.
A weekend in NYC costs me a minimum $1K, the ticket price is a relative small consideration. I'm not dropping that kind of cash to watch another season of Gaseball.
I. Dont. Understand.
Peyton sold Gase to Johnson. Gase sold Douglas to Johnson. Douglas now defends Gase to Johnson, and has told him that the problem is all about the offensive line which is nothing to do with him, and that if the line was solid then Gase would be successful.
One of three things will happen next - I list them in order of likelihood:
1. We add good pieces to the OL in the offseason, Gase's playcalling continues to stink, the team continues to lose, Gase gets fired and another season is wasted.
2. We don't add good pieces to the OL in the offseason, Gase's playcalling continues to be a contributory fact, 2019 happens all over again and everyone gets fired.
3. We add good pieces to the OL in the offseason, Gase's playcalling improves, we do OK and everyone forgets that 2019 was ever a thing.
It all comes back to the line and the QB on the field. If the line allows us (Bell) to have a running game and Darnold time to throw, he'll make better decisions and move us down the field. Remember everyone was ready to fire Paul Hackett until Chad Pennington stepped in and suddenly the same offense was awesome. If Pennington can make Hackett, Herm, Mangini and Sprano all look smart, hopefully Darnold can have the same effect.
It doesn't though, does it? There's a lot more to it than just five good linemen being a magical ticket to Super Bowl glory; the play design and calling have to also be good. I don't think it's any coincidence that for the last three weeks we've looked really good on our first drive which is scripted in advance, with those shitty linemen doing just fine against fresh, hungry defenders. After the defense gets a look at what we're doing and starts mixing things up the train comes badly off the rails, because our playcalling fails to appropriately respond, see what the defense is giving us and take advantage of it.
We have a young second year QB who has been injury disrupted in both seasons, he's not Peyton Manning and that playcalling isn't all on him. The coaching staff have to help him out with the plays they're giving him, and they aren't.
I really hope someone with a brain forces Gase to hire an OC so Gase can focus on being a HC who has an influence on the offense. And not a glorified OC with a HC badge
But you have no idea if the plays can work when you can't block them. that's Football 101. The fact that Bell can't get free even once in a while tells you this is a historically bad line.
He already hired a challenge flag coordinator
Should rephrase that. I hope Douglas hires and forces an OC on Gase
#Jets owner Christopher Johnson spoke to a group of reporters out at practice. He said there will be NO changes at head coach before or after season.On the bright side some of you can stop rooting for us to lose this year.
Adam Gase will be back in 2020.
No matter what
- Hughes
You have to drop this idea because it's mindbogglingly stupid on multiple levels, and it's not going to happen.
Florham Park 2020:You should watch Midsommar
"It's a surreal scene after Adam Gase died in a strange smelling-salt, goat-orgy party this offseason. True to his word, Christopher Johnson propped Gase's corpse up on sideline to continue head coaching duties..... no matter what. 'We taped his eyelids wide open so the fellas recognized the crazy stare'"
You should watch MidsommarAll that’s missing is the bear corpse.
It doesn't though, does it? There's a lot more to it than just five good linemen being a magical ticket to Super Bowl glory; the play design and calling have to also be good. I don't think it's any coincidence that for the last three weeks we've looked really good on our first drive which is scripted in advance, with those shitty linemen doing just fine against fresh, hungry defenders. After the defense gets a look at what we're doing and starts mixing things up the train comes badly off the rails, because our playcalling fails to appropriately respond, see what the defense is giving us and take advantage of it.I think you can as easily make the argument that they practiced those plays to perfection and that's why the scripted plays worked better.
We have a young second year QB who has been injury disrupted in both seasons, he's not Peyton Manning and that playcalling isn't all on him. The coaching staff have to help him out with the plays they're giving him, and they aren't.
It's very possible that he's just done. Even with a bad OL he should be able to make a play on occasion
It's highly disturbing he's been insanely ineffective running the actual ball
It's very possible that he's just done. Even with a bad OL he should be able to make a play on occasionThis is asinine
It's highly disturbing he's been insanely ineffective running the actual ball
We're freaking doomed.
Get ready for three more seasons without making the playoffs. Johnson is a freaking buffoon
Tough. Not going to candy coat it, we're done for this decade.
It’s all freaking lip service to the media. If we finish the season 2–14 or 3-13, you had better believe that Gases head may be chopped off. If we win 5 games he’s here for sure and 4 games could go either way depending upon what happens.
I won’t believe it’s happening for sure until Black Monday is over. There was a time Johnson supported Duff. And frankly supporting Gase publicly is probably a good thing for team morale. Doesn’t mean for a second it’s true
It’s all freaking lip service to the media. If we finish the season 2–14 or 3-13, you had better believe that Gases head may be chopped off. If we win 5 games he’s here for sure and 4 games could go either way depending upon what happens.I agree, I think they may have done this to get the media to freak off a tad
I won’t believe it’s happening for sure until Black Monday is over. There was a time Johnson supported Duff. And frankly supporting Gase publicly is probably a good thing for team morale. Doesn’t mean for a second it’s true
My bigger issue is we literally had our GM come out a few weeks ago saying this team will listen to all phonecalls and ideas on any player as you have to do what's best for the team.What's wrong with either statement?
In the meantime we have our owner saying he will defend Gase no matter what at all costs
What's wrong with either statement?
I don't want Christopher Johnson to be saying Gase is on the hot seat. I want him to defend the coach. When he stops defending the coach, he'll fire him.
It’s all freaking lip service to the media. If we finish the season 2–14 or 3-13, you had better believe that Gases head may be chopped off. If we win 5 games he’s here for sure and 4 games could go either way depending upon what happens.
I won’t believe it’s happening for sure until Black Monday is over. There was a time Johnson supported Duff. And frankly supporting Gase publicly is probably a good thing for team morale. Doesn’t mean for a second it’s true.
Because it's contradictory
On one hand you're saying anyone is expendable if it's in the best interest of the team. And on the other it's oh I'm keeping my coach no matter how well or poorly he performs.
If you think Gase earns another year fine, but to say he's coming back no matter what is bullshit.
I subscribe to the above or at least pray to god that will happen.
Jets current DVOA rankings
Overall: 30
Offense: 32
Defense: 11
Specials: 3
It's getting harder to make the case against him every week. He better give Sam a really nice Christmas gift.
I still believe Gase sucks balls.
Our success is because of Sam, and we win in spite of him. Just like when he was in Denver...the Broncos won because of Manning, not him.
Look at what Gase was able to do without Sam, we weren't bad, we were embarrassingly inept. Good coaches don't look their team look like a dumpster fire. Other teams have lost their starting QB and had some modicums of success.
I still believe Gase sucks balls.
Our success is because of Sam, and we win in spite of him. Just like when he was in Denver...the Broncos won because of Manning, not him.
Look at what Gase was able to do without Sam, we weren't bad, we were embarrassingly inept. Good coaches don't look their team look like a dumpster fire. Other teams have lost their starting QB and had some modicums of success.
What.He called a good game yesterday against not great opponents. Still, you can only best what's in front of you, and a three game win streak is a positive sign.
We were embarrassingly inept without Sam because we were on our third string/practice squad quarterback with an offensive line completely in disarray. I gave Gase excrement after total disgust after the Dolphins game, but I'm absolutely willing to take the whole Luke Falk era and throw it in the garbage in terms of making any sort of evaluation.
In what universe did we win in spite of Gase yesterday.
We get it, you didn't like the hire and nothing will even broach the possibility of changing your position.
He called a good game yesterday against not great opponents. Still, you can only best what's in front of you, and a three game win streak is a positive sign.
I need to see much more before I will be remotely comfortable with him as head coach.
All the credit in the world to Darnold, this team is completely different with him than without him. But how many teams stay competitive without their starting QB? And how many of those teams have a majority of backups playing as starters on both sides of the ball?
I still don't like Gase, but I'm giving him some rope at this point. I am a firm believer that a head coach's primary responsibilities are preparing and motivating a team to play. And even when this team was a dumpster fire, they never showed any quit. The preparation was questionable before this win streak, but can't really be questioned in the past 3.
I don't hold any opinion that evidence to the contrary can't change. Right now, Gase is doing things to change my opinion. We're not there yet, but we're trending upwards.
CarolinaYou answered his question, but none of those QBs sinks to the depths that was...Luke Falk. In fact the backups to those backups are probably better. And their poolboy.
Pitt
JAX
Are three that come to mind.
Carolina
Pitt
JAX
Are three that come to mind.
What.
We were embarrassingly inept without Sam because we were on our third string/practice squad quarterback with an offensive line completely in disarray. I gave Gase excrement after total disgust after the Dolphins game, but I'm absolutely willing to take the whole Luke Falk era and throw it in the garbage in terms of making any sort of evaluation.
In what universe did we win in spite of Gase yesterday.
We get it, you didn't like the hire and nothing will even broach the possibility of changing your position.
Spectacular. Now address the second part, which was "How many of those teams are fielding a majority of backup players as starters?"
Don't know. Don't care. He's supposed to be an "offensive guru", and he couldn't score a freaking point without Sam.
He called a good game yesterday against not great opponents. Still, you can only best what's in front of you, and a three game win streak is a positive sign.
I need to see much more before I will be remotely comfortable with him as head coach.
I want to be wrong. I would love him to bring us a title. But his body of work tells me he's not qualified and he will fail
- He lucked out to be the OC when Manning had his career year. Let's all be honest, I could be the freaking OC for Manning.
- Then he gets the Miami HC gig coming off Manning's 2014 season as some offensive guru
- After a 10-6 start, he then goes 6-10, 7-9, then fired.
- Now he comes here bc our owner is freaking moron and he's 4-7
He is on a downward trajectory as a HC, has proven nothing to me so far in his career that he will succeed.
Not comparing Rodgers to Darnold at all...but you think Matt Lafleur adds any value to that team? GB rises and falls because of Rodgers. If we have success it's all because Sam is good enough to overcome incompetent coaching.
It's kind of a moot debate. The owner has told us Gase is staying and now we're winning enough games that it's not going to change. Again, let's see Darnold have a chance to run the same offense more than one year in a row.
To me, whether you like Gase or not, there is a very high bar for firing a coach after his first season, especially an offensive-minded coach who was brought here to develop a young 2nd-year QB. So he needs to be irredeemable trainwreck for us to fire him. For a while, it looked like we might get to that point, but that's why I said for months that he gets the full season to prove his worth.
Even if you think Darnold is succeeding in spite of Gase, which is impossible to prove at this point and sounds like wishful thinking from Gase haters, he's still succeeding, and if Darnold is looking good, Gase comes back. Period, barring major mitigating factors which we don't have any of.
It's kind of a moot debate. The owner has told us Gase is staying and now we're winning enough games that it's not going to change. Again, let's see Darnold have a chance to run the same offense more than one year in a row.
Typically the owner vote of confidence is the last thing an owner says to the public before firing the coach.You're right, but I believe it this time.
You're right, but I believe it this time.
That said, the last 4 games I think will make a difference. If Darnold regresses and we finish 4-12, there's a real shot he gets fired. And he would probably deserve it.
I don't see Darnold regressing, regardless of the coach. He finished strong last year with a different staff and he's gotten better since he's been back this year. Young QBs are going to have some bad games, you can't overreact.
“ The Bengals have allowed a league-high 633 rushing yards directed left end or right end (outside of the tackles), yielding 6.7 yards per carry on those runs (second-worst).
The Jets did not run outside a single time yesterday.”
Not Gase's fault.
Chris Johnson be damned, if Gase loses this game against the dolphins, again is he fired immediately?
Imagine being swept by a team that was thought to be tanking their season. Do you really have to ask?
“ The Bengals have allowed a league-high 633 rushing yards directed left end or right end (outside of the tackles), yielding 6.7 yards per carry on those runs (second-worst).
The Jets did not run outside a single time yesterday.”
Especially a team he should be relatively familiar with
Edit: disclaimer is that this is contingent on the Knicks winning another game before Sunday morning
Can we all agree that Adam Gase has no clue how to use Le’Veon Bell?
Can we all agree that Adam Gase has no clue how to use Le’Veon Bell?No, it's Luke Falk's fault.
Can we all agree that Adam Gase has no clue how to use Le’Veon Bell?
The OL is the problem.
There can be two problems.Nah it's the offensive line.
There can be two problems.
nobody on this board can count that high.Maybe if we won more than 4-5 games in a season we'd have to learn higher numbers.
Maybe if we won more than 4-5 games in a season we'd have to learn higher numbers.My brain is ready
The OL is bad, but Bilal is still averaging close to 1 YPC more than Bell on runs.#SplittingHairs
And he's old and coming off some health problems
The OL is bad, but Bilal is still averaging close to 1 YPC more than Bell on runs.
And he's old and coming off some health problems
Because they’re two different kinds of backs. Bilal is way more direct. He sees a hole, he attacks it. Our OL opens hopes for like .05 seconds so sometimes that works better. Bell has a patient style, he waits for the best hole to open and he attacks. Problem here is, there’s no best hole because our OL just doesn’t open them.I think it's mostly because Powell has fewer carries, so the sample size is smaller. Plus, most of his carries are in less run-obvious spots. Powell isn't getting carries on 2nd and goal from the 2 where your YPC is certain to go down. Those are all Bell. And Bell played pretty much every down when Falk was QB since Gase thought the only way we had any chance is if Bell carried us.
Give Bell a decent OL and he’ll start producing for sure.
We know the OL is bad. We’ve known the OL has been bad for years. Now that we have that out of the way, we can focus on the thread topic.Running backs are replaceable. Bell is replaceable. If we trade him for a pick, that's probably smart. I like him and hes made some plays out of nothing but he cant produce much without a line.
Adam Gase doesn’t know how to use Le’Veon Bell, and we face the real possibility that the most exciting offensive weapon we’ve had in a decade could be traded in the offseason for salary cap relief, in a deal where we would probably have to eat some of his contract.
“What a horrific decision by Coach Gase,” Gould said at the time. “He needs to take a very long look in the mirror and make himself inactive.”
I know when I want to find out the true, unbiased story, I go to the player's agent. Definitely no bias towards the player.
lmao. make yourself inactiveI'm thinking of deactivating myself from watching today.
Manish alert
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-dolphins-receivers-trades-20191206-hbgzot5zy5dkzi34yrpl7xk4fq-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Gase told the Miami brain trust that he would be fine if the team signed Danny Amendola or Wilson. He had no preference.
When Miami agreed to terms on a deal with Wilson, Gase bristled and whined (even though he had earlier claimed that Amendola or Wilson would suffice), according to sources.
So, the Dolphins quickly pivoted and signed Amendola (to a two-year, $12 million deal) too. On the surface, it was a peculiar decision to sign two slot receivers in free agency. It turns out that only happened to appease the fickle head coach.
On the Bell situation:
-Gase didn’t want him, made sure to tell everyone this
-Has not geared his scheme to Bell’s running style or gotten very creative w/ him in pass game
-Very specific leak to NY Post, which the team has done all year
Coach trying to prove a point to owner
Bell got 10 carries against the worst run defense in the NFL
The next week he’s out with an illness, Bilal Powell gets 19 carries and Ty Montgomery gets 9
All of this after countless reports of the team trying to move him at the deadline and planning to in the offseason
Whichever side you stand on with this Bell situation, what should scare you as a #Jets fan is Gase’s personnel demands + evals
If Miami wasn’t enough for you to see that, it’s very evident in less than a year in New York so far
Side topic: can anyone explain why Ryan Tannehill is absolutely dominating this year? I could have sworn the narrative to defend Gase was that he was held back by Tannehill. It looks like Tannehill is finally achieving success while Gase is still running a bottom tier offense.
No, the narrative to support Gase is the claim that when Tannehill wasn't injured the Dolphins did OK. It is surprising though that offensive genius and noted QB whisperer Adam Gase didn't get anything like this kind of performance out of Tannehill though. Clearly Mike Vrabel's got that magic.
In what universe was Tannehill's performance under Gase not above average? Any statistical measure you want to use indicates he played well under him.
Which is an OK argument in isolation, until you consider the fact that prior to this season, which will almost certainly be his best season yet as a pro, his best statistical performances came under Joe Philbin. Or put another way, at the end of this season he will have played under three head coaches in his professional career, and his least successful spell will have been under Gase.
Put in context, the fact that his statistical performance under Gase may have been above average by the standards of other quarterbacks only serves to demonstrate that Ryan Tannehill is in fact an above average quarterback, and if anything Gase held him back.
QBR is ESPN's desperate attempt at trying to usurp passer rating, and its total garbage.
The only reason why Tannehill had more td's in a single season under Philbin is because he played all 16 games. Completion percentage, yards per attempt, yards per game, all at their highest under the person you consider to be a glorified qb coach. Tannehill's performance under Gase was certainly better than average, he just could never stay healthy. That's the coaches fault?
The defense for Gase is hilarious.
And don't tell me it's the oline...because Powell looked fine behind it on Sunday.
What defense? There's probably only Gase supporter left on this board. Just cause others won't join in on some of your blind hate and pins every shortcoming of this team on Gase's shoulder's, doesn't mean that people are happy with him or would be defending him.
I'm beginning to understand Puck and his reactions to the the weather threads.
So suddenly 1 week's performance overshadows the whole season's resume. The o-line is excrement, through and through. Both in passblocking and runblocking. One Sunday of Powell vs a shitty run D, doesn't make it suddenly good.
I really can't understand how the narrative is: "When he had Peyton Manning, Ryan Tannehill, and Sam Darnold healthy, his game plans worked" rather than "One HoF, and two talented young QBs saved his derriere whenever they were healthy."
I generally don't like to wish harm on people, but I said a few times during Sunday's game to my wife: "I wish Gase would literally get hit by a bus because I think that's the only way to save this franchise."
This would be amazing.
Gase not wanting Bell and vindictively using Powell to prove that he didn't need him and he was paid too much is 100% a thing you would expect Gase to do.
freak him and his bullshit.
It's actually not. I realise it's fun to excrement on ESPN, but while it's not flawless there's actually some good reasoning behind QBR. See here for more if you're interested:
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/10/11/13250486/qbr-not-a-russian-conspiracy-against-russell-wilson-but-actually-a
You're objectively not correct. 2014 was his best season by any meaningful statistic. It will soon be his second best season after 2019. Again, Tannehill's performance under Gase in Miami is not proof of anything other than he's a pretty decent quarterback.
The defense for Gase is hilarious.
We have an elite running back, and Gase doesn't use him and refuses to tailor his scheme to his talents should be reason enough to question his qualifications. We should've ran the ball down Cincy's throat. And don't tell me it's the oline...because Powell looked fine behind it on Sunday.
I don't wish death on the man. He just needs to leave before he sets this roster back any further than it already is.
Gase not wanting Bell and vindictively using Powell to prove that he didn't need him and he was paid too much is 100% a thing you would expect Gase to do.
freak him and his bullshit.
Not true. Extrapolate his numbers over a 16 game season, or look at his Yards Per Attempt and tell me that he'd have less yardage had they thrown more/he remained healthy under his first year with Gase. His first year. Would've been interesting to see if growth was coming the second year before he was derailed with a torn ACL. This narrative that Tannehill was excrement under Gase or that people shouldn't be surprised he's playing well in Tennessee (against largely shitty defenses) is untrue.
Holy excrement an actual substantive criticism. One I don't disagree with, and to his credit one that Heis warned us about way back when because of how Gase used (or mis-used) Drake.
But you ever think maybe Gase hasn't tailored his scheme to Bell because Bell's patient running style is incompatible with an offensive line that requires a more direct, north to south runner if they're going to have any success at all?
Mac bought the engine of a Ferrari for a car that operates like a Kia.
As opposed to who you wanted (McCarthy) who the Packers CLEARLY miss.
Head coaches can be vindictive if they don't get their way personnel wise? No way. I don't believe it.
The usage of LeVeon and the inability to put forth a functional offense when Darnold went down are the two most substantive criticisms I've seen that I can buy. They're also largely coming from the same voices who told me Gase was a prick who'd lose this locker room in two seconds flat-something which has demonstratively NOT happened despite the 1-7 start.
Head coaches can be vindictive if they don't get their way personnel wise? No way. I don't believe it.
This narrative that Tannehill was excrement under Gase or that people shouldn't be surprised he's playing well in Tennessee (against largely shitty defenses) is untrue.
What record do people think the Jets would have with a "good" coach?
Not true. Extrapolate his numbers over a 16 game season, or look at his Yards Per Attempt and tell me that he'd have less yardage had they thrown more/he remained healthy under his first year with Gase. His first year. Would've been interesting to see if growth was coming the second year before he was derailed with a torn ACL. This narrative that Tannehill was excrement under Gase or that people shouldn't be surprised he's playing well in Tennessee (against largely shitty defenses) is untrue.
Holy excrement an actual substantive criticism. One I don't disagree with, and to his credit one that Heis warned us about way back when because of how Gase used (or mis-used) Drake.
But you ever think maybe Gase hasn't tailored his scheme to Bell because Bell's patient running style is incompatible with an offensive line that requires a more direct, north to south runner if they're going to have any success at all?
Mac bought the engine of a Ferrari for a car that operates like a Kia.
As opposed to who you wanted (McCarthy) who the Packers CLEARLY miss.
Head coaches can be vindictive if they don't get their way personnel wise? No way. I don't believe it.
The usage of LeVeon and the inability to put forth a functional offense when Darnold went down are the two most substantive criticisms I've seen that I can buy. They're also largely coming from the same voices who told me Gase was a prick who'd lose this locker room in two seconds flat-something which has demonstratively NOT happened despite the 1-7 start.
How does it feel to be the only person on this message board defending Gase?
That is an absolutely *awful* justification for the way we've used Bell... because who wants a head coach who would act like that?
You can write off the season due to Darnold's mono if you want.
I could care less, beware the non-conformist in the immortal words of Bert Cooper.
Groupthink doesn't necessarily mean you're right, especially when dealing with (no offense because I absolutely consider the posters here to be a cut above the regular rank and file), what the popular opinion is of this fanbase.
You must have missed the part where I said that maybe Gase hasn't developed the gameplan necessary to put Bell in a position to succeed because Bell's running style is utterly incompatible with such a shitty offensive line.
That's sort of an important development.
The Devils should've kept Hynes. He deserved more time to develop gameplans to utilize his roster better.
I wanted Harbs here initially, so there's that.
Hey, lets compare ice cream to horse excrement.
Hynes had four years. Gase didn't get through the press conference without people wanting him gone.
And for what its worth, I'm not in favor of giving Gase the leash Hynes had if the results were similar.
But to want him gone based on how the season has gone IMHO isn't objective.
I wanted Harbs here initially, so there's that.
it's not ice cream to horseshit. Gase had 3 years prior in Miami, and the Phins stink wasn't even off of him yet before he was in Florham Park.
It's actually quite comparable.
it's funny that you're playing on both sides of the same narrative. ;)
All is not rosy, I agree with the criticisms you made specifically about the plan going into the Bengals game. But his performance doesn't warrant a one and done scenario in my opinion.
I'll ask it for the millionth time.Gase doesn’t have the benefit of anything. He’s not a rookie HC.
Which Dolphins team under Gase underachieved relative to their talent level?
It's absolutely ice cream to horse excrement. Hynes had four years with the same franchise and underachieved imho in two of them (he gets a pass last year because of the injuries) with said underachievement this year being plainly obvious to anyone who can look at the Devils roster and then see where they are in the standings.
Gase has had the benefit of one off-season with this team, an off-season in which the executive above him (unlike Ray Shero) has a demonstrated record of not having a clue as to what he's doing. He's in his first season with a team which we can all acknowledge is utterly deficient along the offensive line (and corner and pass rusher), and yet when he has his starting quarterback, said team has a .500 record.
All is not rosy, I agree with the criticisms you made specifically about the plan going into the Bengals game. But his performance doesn't warrant a one and done scenario in my opinion.
Everything MJ has said on the Jets board today I have thoroughly agreed with.You’re wrong too...congrats
Everything MJ has said on the Jets board today I have thoroughly agreed with.
QBR is ESPN's desperate attempt at trying to usurp passer rating, and its total garbage.
Everything MJ has said on the Jets board today I have thoroughly agreed with.
Gase doesn’t have the benefit of anything. He’s not a rookie HC.
No, he has three years of a demonstrated record in which none of the teams he coached in Miami underachieved.
U wot m8?
His teams in Miami progressively performed worse the longer he got to put his stamp on them. That 2018 roster featured, amongst others:
- Ryan Tannehill
- DeVante Parker
- Danny Amendola
- Kenyan Drake
- Ja'wuan James
- Laremy Tunsil
- Cam Wake
- Kiko Alonso
- Minkah Fitzpatrick
- Xavien Howard
- Frank Gore
- Albert Wilson
Not all special, but a pretty decent roster all the same. They finished sub .500. Not only did they underachieve under Gase for three years, they got progressively worse as the locker room fell apart.
He is not head coach material. He can not do the things that head coaches need to be able to do.
Especially considering the fact that Brock Osweiler started five of their games last year, how is 7-9 not either right where they should've been, if not an overachievement.
No, he has three years of a demonstrated record in which none of the teams he coached in Miami underachieved.
So why did Miami fire him?Stephen Ross hated him.
Stephen Ross hated him.
OK. Why did Stephen Ross hate him?
OK. Why did Stephen Ross hate him?Because they are both assholes and 2 north poles repel.
They finished sub .500.
You keep bringing this up, but if Tannehill stayed healthy, they're a playoff team.
So then again, why did Miami fire Gase if he was doing such a good job? I keep being told how really he was overperforming with a questionable roster and really the players loved him, it was just a couple of bad apples who complained. So why did they get rid of him?
So then again, why did Miami fire Gase if he was doing such a good job? I keep being told how really he was overperforming with a questionable roster and really the players loved him, it was just a couple of bad apples who complained. So why did they get rid of him?All the stories about Gase's firing were that he and the owner didnt get along. And while I dont think he was unsuccessful in Miami, he wasnt so good where he wasnt replaceable for them.
This feels like the Rex debate all over again
You keep bringing this up, but if Tannehill stayed healthy, they're a playoff team.
And well done pwning me about QBR.
He got into a personality clash with the owner. It's as simple as that.
Mangini got fired for the same reason.
Because the same people hate every coach. Rex actually came in here and won pretty big, didn't matter to them. I don't know how Gase will do here, nobody does really, but I know it's bad to draft a top 3 QB and set him up with a different coach and offense his first three years. So unlike with Rex, I'm not so much arguing the merits of the coach as much as it would be poor management to blow it up again.
Oh the poor guys didn't like Rex. Rex was the bestest coach ever he made me feel so good. Especially,the first 2 years, I refuse to believe his last 4 where every personnel and coaching decision basically sucked balls. "
Or when he immediately ruined another franchise after leaving the Jets. Don't forget to disregard that.
Sucked that mangini didn't build him a roster to take over in Buffalo too.
Or when he immediately ruined another franchise after leaving the Jets. Don't forget to disregard that.
Sucked that mangini didn't build him a roster to take over in Buffalo too.
We just had this conversation, I don't have time to educate you twice in a week on the same thing.
Keep pissing in the wind hoping they fire Gase. The owner told us at 1-7 they weren't going to fire him, we're 5-1 since. What makes you think he'll change his mind?
you're not educating anyone. Trust me.
We're staring at 5-11. Whether Johnson changes his mind or not...that doesn't mean getting rid of Gase isn't the right thing to do.
Not sure it'd be significantly better, but I don't care about that at this point. You can write off the season due to Darnold's mono if you want. What I care about at this point is that Gase doesn't seem to have the right mentality to be a consistently successful head coach in the NFL. All of these feuds with players and acting like a baby whenever he doesn't get players who don't fit his scheme - regardless of how many of the stories about Wilson/Amendola in Miami, Bell here, etc. are true, when there's smoke there's fire and I believe it at least to an extent, along with the weird sideline scheming and how often the "offensive genius" has had the team looking flat, just makes me think he's not cut out long term. I held on to hope too long with Bowles off of one successful season, but the implication of this question is right in that we shouldn't be looking at Gase's success purely on a win-loss basis.
Belichick went 5-11 his first year in New England after being fired in Cleveland. Good thing you didn't work there.
Belichick went 5-11 his first year in New England after being fired in Cleveland. Good thing you didn't work there.
Well said and I totally agree.
It appeared to me that when Sam was out, Gase quit on the team and it showed. We were historically inept on offense. And don't give me this 3rd string QB BS, the Steelers are in the hunt for a playoff bid with some dude no one's ever heard of. I find the injury excuse on offense also to be quite tiresome...Williams has no names starting all over the place, yet manages to have a competitive D. That's a sign of a good coach.
Some coaches vindictively use other players to prove a point when a guy catches the flu.
This should kind of be the end-all of the argument.
Nonsense.
If the Phins were winning and a perennial playoff team under Gase, Ross would've let him freak his wife.
The problem with Gase is that he's a queynte on top of being incompetent.
The end-all of the argument is the owner said they're not firing the coach. The rest is a lot of wasted time, you can argue until you're blue in the face.
LMAO that's literally why he was fired, but ok.
Honestly, that's a fair point. But I'd rather complain about it than suck it up and just deal with it.
This should kind of be the end-all of the argument. This team literally has someone to compare Gase to in house.The downgrade from Darnold to Falk was significantly bigger than every defensive loss combined.
Gase lost Darnold. The offense went to hell. And doesn't even look particularly great with him back.
Williams lost Mosley, after losing Williamson, has had Trumaine Johnson and Daryl Roberts start games, lost Leonhard Williams to trade, Henry Anderson and Quinnen Williams have been invisible, and it's still a middle-of-the-pack defense (and in the top-7 in total yards allowed).
Some coaches get the best production possible out of every player. Some coaches vindictively use other players to prove a point when a guy catches the flu.
LMAO that's literally why he was fired, but ok.
LMAO that's literally why he was fired, but ok.He was fired for freaking Mrs. Ross?
The downgrade from Darnold to Falk was significantly bigger than every defensive loss combined.
Vegas lines dont shirt when defensive players get hurt except for Hall of Fame caliber players. But if any quarterback gets hurt, lines shift a lot if the starter is competent or if the backup is not.
He was fired for freaking Mrs. Ross?
That's what I read that to mean. Are there pictures anywhere?
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LOL any of her? It could go a long way towards whether we should fire him or not.Christopher Johnson's wife is better looking.
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Was Falk even in camp? It's not like he was even the backup, he just jumped into starting NFL games, including one at Foxboro.
this is the coach that agreed leveon bowling was a 'bad optic'Is he wrong?
Is he wrong?
I thought he was right about Le'Veon. It didn't seem like he cared that much other than the fact it created a headline in the newspapers. It's not a big deal, but it doesn't look good for him or for the team to have headlines about that.
Pretty sure he said no team rules were broken. On the Robby Anderson scale bowling is mild.On that scale, jerking off during a presser is mild.
Who gives a excrement if he went bowling? The team ruled him out so he did something in his new found free time. Whoopty excrement.
This is an interesting stretch for Gase. I've made a big deal about us going 4-1 in the last 5 games because the Jets rarely go 4-1 against anyone, and quite frankly, this team isn't good enough to go 4-1 against too many NFL teams.
But I would like to see us be competitive against Pittsburgh and Buffalo. It's possible we are so bad on the OL that we can't really do anything, but after beating up on other bad teams, it will be interesting to test ourselves against actual good teams/defenses. I'm not counting Baltimore since it's not really fair to ask this team to go to Baltimore on a short week without 500 starters and beat the Ravens.
Manish Mehta
@MMehtaNYDN
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2h
Adam Gase & John Harbaugh's paths crossed in 2015. Ravens interviewed Gase for their OC job, but they were wholly unimpressed with him during the interview despite Peyton Manning's recommendation.
They thought Gase was too arrogant, per sources. So, they didn't hire him.
Manish Mehta.
@MMehtaNYDN
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2h
Part II: Joe Vitt stepped in after the Ravens rejected Gase... and called in a favor to John Fox to hire Gase as the Bears OC.
Fox, who had no intention of hiring Gase even though they worked together in Denver, relented after Vitt’s plea
I'm not expecting a win either. But I want to see some "compete" and "fight" with this team.
If we're getting throttled and Gase is seen sitting on the bench scratching his head again...that'll just solidify my opinion that he wasn't the right hire.
It is hilarious how Manish is putting the boot in.
It is hilarious how Manish is putting the boot in.
I guess Peyton Manning was the only reference check Christopher Johnson made. ::)
I find it hard to believe that Vitt had that much pull with John Fox. Plus Mehta is almost as bad at his job as Gase is at his
I find it hard to believe that Vitt had that much pull with John Fox. Plus Mehta is almost as bad at his job as Gase is at his
This. They never even coached together.
"Ok guy I may have known in passing, I'll totally hire this guy even though I hated him the last time he was my offensive coordinator."
LOL WUT.
"Fox gave credit to Saints interim coach Joe Vitt, who he has known for more than two decades. He said he had a lot of respect for Vitt after coaching against him so many times."
I could post this in any thread since every thread is an anti-Gase thread at this point, but here's some fodder for the anti-Gase mob.
https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1205345646439550977
i missed this in-game, but i don't think you can tell much/take away much from this clipI agree, but I'm sure someone will post it at some point, so I figured I would beat people to the punch.
That’s the only way I think they’ll fire Gase this offseason. If he loses Darnold he loses his job.I think Gase is back, but I'm sure after the season, Joe Douglas will evaluate Gase and he will hopefully talk to Darnold. I trust Douglas to make the right decision. Yes, I know that it's technically Chris Johnson's decision, but I think he'll defer to Douglas. Chris sees the papers, and I have to think he knows that the fan base mostly hates Gase. If Douglas recommends replacing him, or if Darnold is lukewarm about Gase behind the scenes, Gase will be gone as long as Chris is willing to pay.
https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/article_68a06e9e-e263-5ae5-8fc0-d1b0777b7fe4.html
tell us more, genius.
If you think an NFL head coach is bringing back a coordinator he's worked with before and doesn't want to work with again, you're out of your mind.
Hue Jackson coaching record: 11-44-1 (56 total)
Adam Gase coaching record: 28-35 (53 total)
Number of double digit losses
Hue Jackson: 21
Adam Gase: 26
Adam Gase can not coach a game of football. He might as well just stay home on game day for all the value he adds; he gets blown out because teams do something other than that which he has anticipated, and he has no ability to adjust.
Fingers crossed that Sam can see this and tells the idiot owner to move on from him.
should've kept Hynes
Can't tell whats worse, this comparison or you bringing up Mike Tomlin like thats a fair comparison or benchmark.
The Devils have the worst record in the league with a talented roster, Hynes had four years to implement his system and weigh in on the personnel he wanted. The team demonstratively quit on him.
Gase took over a much worse situation than Tomlin, is taking over a roster him and the current GM had no say in building and had a season where every key component and high calibur player has been hurt for an extended period of time. Every single one.
In terms of the latter (players quitting), you can say the same about Gase-you'd also be wrong....
Lol @ "let me post this to get out in front of the QB probably telling the head coach to go freak himself on national TV--nothing to see here"
honestly, i thought there was nothing much to it, but i was only focusing on gase and darnold. somebody then mentioned the clear 'wow wtf, this argument is going there' look on fales' face at one point during the interaction, which i hadn't seen before. that part of it lends more credence than anything else to the possibility of there being palpable discord between the QB and coach last night.
In the heat of the game all kinds of things happen, I wouldn't read too much into that.
i typically agree with this, and i still contend that there probably wasn't much in that interaction. however, were it the case that something like that actually happened there, kind/shy/timid old sam turning heel and telling his coach to 'freak off' would be a significant event
honestly, i thought there was nothing much to it, but i was only focusing on gase and darnold. somebody then mentioned the clear 'wow wtf, this argument is going there' look on fales' face at one point during the interaction, which i hadn't seen before. that part of it lends more credence than anything else to the possibility of there being palpable discord between the QB and coach last night.
Did you see Le'Veon's reaction in the background? His eyes got wide, and he wound up looking away.
Then there was always the part where Darnold was walking away, Gase something else, Darnold turned around with a "Huh?" and whatever Gase then said, Darnold made that "GTFO" motion with his hand and walked away for good.
And still, there are people around here who will say "Nothing to see here."
in b4 Seafood tells Darnold to get along with Gase for the sake of long term stability
I can always tell when you have no valid point, because you have to make up stupid stuff to argue with. Go watch some NFL films of Parcells and Simms back in the day.
You provide so much funny material.
Apparently the billboards to have Gase fired are going up soon. This is a childish move by the fanbase, but if the gods are just, one of those billboards will go up right in front of Seafood's house.
You provide so much funny material.
Apparently the billboards to have Gase fired are going up soon. This is a childish move by the fanbase, but if the gods are just, one of those billboards will go up right in front of Seafood's house.
There aren't any billboards near my house.
Also, I'm not a vehement Gase fan as I was Rex, I just think firing the coach every year is counterproductive.
This is a solid move by the fanbase
I really don't understand the billboard/airplane banner thing. Bitching on a message board is therapeutic, that's just setting cash on fire.
FTFY. I don't care what he says midseason, Chris Johnson gives a lot of a excrement about what the fans think because angry fans don't buy tickets and jerseys, and there's no ignoring billboards as a clear indication of the fanbase's feelings.
There aren't any billboards near my house.
Also, I'm not a vehement Gase fan as I was Rex, I just think firing the coach every year is counterproductive.
Nobody disagrees with you. At all.
But the problem right now is, they made a bad hire. Keeping him just for the sake of stability is just not understanding sunk costs.
I don't think anyone will disagree with you that it's counterproductive for Darnold to learn a third system in his 3rd year of professional football. But better that than realizing in December 2021 that the system he's spent 3 seasons in is garbage.
when have we fired a coach every year?
you really need to lay off the narcotics.
we're firing HC coaches every year? I think Seafood flunked mathematics.
Rex - 6 years
Bowles - 4 years
Mangini - 3 years
Herm - 5 years
We fired Bowles after last year, if we fire Gase now it will be two straight. That's Cleveland clown show management. You keep bringing up Pittsburgh but you want us to be Cleveland.c'mon man if we fired Gase this offseason, that would be the first time the Jets fired a HC after a single season. We're not Cleveland. Although, keeping Gase would be something dumb enough to be Cleveland worthy.
The freak I do. I got four more months of the Knicks when this excrement is over.
We fired Bowles after last year, if we fire Gase now it will be two straight. That's Cleveland clown show management.
c'mon man if we fired Gase this offseason, that would be the first time the Jets fired a HC after a single season.
You're going back 20 years, I'm talking about now.
You are correct, but the clown show piece is not in firing Gase after one year, it's in making such an abysmally poor hire in the first place. Alio is right in stating that it's a version of the sunk cost fallacy.
You are correct, but the clown show piece is not in firing Gase after one year, it's in making such an abysmally poor hire in the first place. Alio is right in stating that it's a version of the sunk cost fallacy.
The last time we fired a coach after one year we fired Pete Carroll
Yes, Pete Carroll who was incredibly successful at his next HC stop in New England. Questionable to even call that a mistake.
Yes, Pete Carroll who was incredibly successful at his next HC stop in New England. Questionable to even call that a mistake. Hiring Kotite is a separate issue.
Hiring Kotite is the whole issue because that's what we ended up with. What the coach we fire goes on to is of no significance to the Jets, it's what we end up with here. Make a hasty move and you live with the result. In those days we had Boomer at the end of his career, not a young guy trying to find his way, you could make the case that this would be more damaging.
Hiring Kotite is the whole issue because that's what we ended up with. What the coach we fire goes on to is of no significance to the Jets, it's what we end up with here. Make a hasty move and you live with the result. In those days we had Boomer at the end of his career, not a young guy trying to find his way, you could make the case that this would be more damaging.
This wouldn't be a hasty move. It would be corrective action. And if you're worried about Sam's development, we shouldn't be arguing this.
If we fired Carroll and then hired a HC who went on to win 10 Super Bowls, would it still have been a bad move to fire Carroll?
They're not fully mutually exclusive events, since among other things firing the HC could theoretically affect who you can hire, but they're close.
Hess fired Carroll and hired Kotite in one move, there was no search, no interviews, no nothing. One announcement by Hess himself. Like MBGreen he was tired of losing and wanted results immediately. Haste makes waste.
Hiring Kotite is the whole issue because that's what we ended up with. What the coach we fire goes on to is of no significance to the Jets, it's what we end up with here. Make a hasty move and you live with the result. In those days we had Boomer at the end of his career, not a young guy trying to find his way, you could make the case that this would be more damaging.
“Inaction breeds doubt and fear. Action breeds confidence and courage.
The future is now, old man
Why not? How many different offenses do you want the kid to have to learn before he's free to sign with a team that doesn't do this to him? How well do you think we'll start next year with another new offense guys don't know until the middle of the year? And then we'll want that coach fired.
Hess fired Carroll and hired Kotite in one move, there was no search, no interviews, no nothing. One announcement by Hess himself. Like MBGreen he was tired of losing and wanted results immediately. Haste makes waste.
Everyone is in agreement, stability is good right?
Whether stability with the wrong leadership is or isn't is where the conversation gets murky.
Right, so your problem isn't with firing crap coaches, it's the fear that we'll end up with an even worse one. We're broadly in agreement on that then, except that I think the answer is to get better at hiring than just keep our fingers crossed that the crap one somehow figures it out eventually.
Right, so your problem isn't with firing crap coaches, it's the fear that we'll end up with an even worse one. We're broadly in agreement on that then, except that I think the answer is to get better at hiring than just keep our fingers crossed that the crap one somehow figures it out eventually.
Nobody wants to hire a shittier coach than the last one....even though that's EXACTLY what we just did.
Is it too much to ask to find a "better" coach? Why should we be saddled with garbage for the sake of stability.
Nobody wants to hire a shittier coach than the last one....even though that's EXACTLY what we just did.
Is it too much to ask to find a "better" coach? Why should we be saddled with garbage for the sake of stability.
You guys are living this pipe dream that the Johnsons will either let Douglas fire the guy he was brought in to work with, which isn't even how this is set up, or do it themselves and suddenly hire a good coach. I think it's a lot more realistic to let Darnold get a better grasp of the offense we have now, get some guys back, have a good draft with Douglas and be more competitive that way. I don't think this year has been disastrous to the point where it's necessary to blow it all up again. There's been some disappointments, some good stuff, a lot of guys on IR, about what we expected in, again you know, reality.
I respect your opinion. I think it's wrong. I think there's absolutely a chance that Johnson looks at how this season has gone, especially if we finish 5-11, and talks to Douglas and to Sam and to other locker room leaders, and makes an assessment of the general vibe and perception of Gase in the building, and then makes his decision. If the FO and the team say that they're behind him and that they believe that his system will work if players stay healthy and we get better quality at key positions, then he'll stay. If the response is that Gase is difficult to work for and with, that they don't believe in his ability to effectively call the right plays, and that underperformance will likely continue even with improved players on the roster because his actions set them up to fail, I think there's a very decent chance he gets fired.
I respect your opinion. I think it's wrong. I think there's absolutely a chance that Johnson looks at how this season has gone, especially if we finish 5-11, and talks to Douglas and to Sam and to other locker room leaders, and makes an assessment of the general vibe and perception of Gase in the building, and then makes his decision. If the FO and the team say that they're behind him and that they believe that his system will work if players stay healthy and we get better quality at key positions, then he'll stay. If the response is that Gase is difficult to work for and with, that they don't believe in his ability to effectively call the right plays, and that underperformance will likely continue even with improved players on the roster because his actions set them up to fail, I think there's a very decent chance he gets fired.
I respect your opinion. I think it's wrong. I think there's absolutely a chance that Johnson looks at how this season has gone, especially if we finish 5-11, and talks to Douglas and to Sam and to other locker room leaders, and makes an assessment of the general vibe and perception of Gase in the building, and then makes his decision. If the FO and the team say that they're behind him and that they believe that his system will work if players stay healthy and we get better quality at key positions, then he'll stay. If the response is that Gase is difficult to work for and with, that they don't believe in his ability to effectively call the right plays, and that underperformance will likely continue even with improved players on the roster because his actions set them up to fail, I think there's a very decent chance he gets fired.
I think that's reasonable analysis and I hope that's what happens when the season is over. I truly hope they do an honest soup to nuts assessment of the team across the board and I mean everyone medical and training staff included.
I have no idea if it truly happens but if it does and the result is Gase stays, then I am much cooler then if Johnson flips the bird to fans and says freak off, he stays no matter what.
Becausegreedstability for lack of a better word is good.
That would be fine too, as long as Douglas gets to hire the coach and Darnold is on board. Otherwise we're looking at another Porzingus situation when it's time to try and re-sign him.
I respect your opinion. I think it's wrong. I think there's absolutely a chance that Johnson looks at how this season has gone, especially if we finish 5-11, and talks to Douglas and to Sam and to other locker room leaders, and makes an assessment of the general vibe and perception of Gase in the building, and then makes his decision. If the FO and the team say that they're behind him and that they believe that his system will work if players stay healthy and we get better quality at key positions, then he'll stay. If the response is that Gase is difficult to work for and with, that they don't believe in his ability to effectively call the right plays, and that underperformance will likely continue even with improved players on the roster because his actions set them up to fail, I think there's a very decent chance he gets fired.Exactly. Great post.
This idea of the Johnsons picking guys based on recommendations from people with no stake in the process and then hoping that they'll somehow figure out how to work together effectively is proven lunacy.
I could post this in any thread since every thread is an anti-Gase thread at this point, but here's some fodder for the anti-Gase mob.
https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1205345646439550977
after watching this several more times, the best thing about this clip is the jets beanie that fales is wearing. it looks tough as hell, and it's on sale at fanatics right now. amazing team optics on display
after watching this several more times, the best thing about this clip is the jets beanie that fales is wearing. it looks tough as hell, and it's on sale at fanatics right now. amazing team optics on display
To the firing a coach after one year thing....Wilks was far worse than Gase IMO. Cardinals were 3-13 after an 8-8 season and they were non-competitive. And Kingsbury is 3-9-1.
What does Arizona think of this? They just did it, with a rookie HC and a top 10 QB they traded up for.
I’d be curious if their fan base thinks it was the right move or if they should have waited.
after watching this several more times, the best thing about this clip is the jets beanie that fales is wearing. it looks tough as hell, and it's on sale at fanatics right now. amazing team optics on display
I kind of think most teams do this after most seasons, don't they? Not always about keeping the coach or not, but a self evaluation and talk to people while they're still in the building and memories are fresh.
Properly run franchises absolutely do this. Look at Baltimore for example, they have let go a excrement load of coaches, scouts, assistants etc. They're always about improving and getting rid of dead wood.I think the Johnsons are relatively sensitive to what the general public thinks, and I think Chris reads all the headlines. That said, I also think he believes in stability and loyalty. The Johnsons easily could have fired Rex along with Tannenbaum, and they didn't. They could have fired Bowles after 2016, and they didn't. Granted, both of those guys had success early, while Gase has not.
It's imperative this franchise do the same. Whether that means Gase, I don't know, but certainly there's room for improvement both organically and externally.
Again, I dislike Gase for many of the reasons stated. That said, a true taking stock of the franchise etc and it's deemed the right move to keep him, will then that's the process. I just don't trust Johnson will do this properly.
I think the Johnsons are relatively sensitive to what the general public thinks, and I think Chris reads all the headlines. That said, I also think he believes in stability and loyalty. The Johnsons easily could have fired Rex along with Tannenbaum, and they didn't. They could have fired Bowles after 2016, and they didn't. Granted, both of those guys had success early, while Gase has not.
Ultimately, I believe the Johnsons will think the same thing that most of us think - the most important part of the Jets' future is the development of Sam Darnold. Gase was hired in large part to develop Darnold. I don't like a bunch of things about Gase, but if Darnold supports Gase, Douglas supports Gase, and Darnold continues to show flashes, it's probably best for Darnold to stay in the same system for one more year.
I have to hope that they will take a look at the entire organization this offseason. This year, we had to fire our GM midseason because Gase realized he was working with an incompetent buffoon who was going to get him fired. In 2 weeks, Douglas or Johnson or someone needs to get feedback from Adams, Darnold, McLendon and other team leaders as to what they think about Gase. If Douglas is convinced Gase is a bad coach, and Darnold isn't as high on Gase in private as he is in public, then we should fire Gase in 2 weeks and get it over with.
I think the Johnsons are relatively sensitive to what the general public thinks, and I think Chris reads all the headlines. That said, I also think he believes in stability and loyalty. The Johnsons easily could have fired Rex along with Tannenbaum, and they didn't. They could have fired Bowles after 2016, and they didn't. Granted, both of those guys had success early, while Gase has not.
Ultimately, I believe the Johnsons will think the same thing that most of us think - the most important part of the Jets' future is the development of Sam Darnold. Gase was hired in large part to develop Darnold. I don't like a bunch of things about Gase, but if Darnold supports Gase, Douglas supports Gase, and Darnold continues to show flashes, it's probably best for Darnold to stay in the same system for one more year.
I have to hope that they will take a look at the entire organization this offseason. This year, we had to fire our GM midseason because Gase realized he was working with an incompetent buffoon who was going to get him fired. In 2 weeks, Douglas or Johnson or someone needs to get feedback from Adams, Darnold, McLendon and other team leaders as to what they think about Gase. If Douglas is convinced Gase is a bad coach, and Darnold isn't as high on Gase in private as he is in public, then we should fire Gase in 2 weeks and get it over with.
I think the Johnsons are relatively sensitive to what the general public thinks, and I think Chris reads all the headlines. That said, I also think he believes in stability and loyalty. The Johnsons easily could have fired Rex along with Tannenbaum, and they didn't. They could have fired Bowles after 2016, and they didn't. Granted, both of those guys had success early, while Gase has not.
Ultimately, I believe the Johnsons will think the same thing that most of us think - the most important part of the Jets' future is the development of Sam Darnold. Gase was hired in large part to develop Darnold. I don't like a bunch of things about Gase, but if Darnold supports Gase, Douglas supports Gase, and Darnold continues to show flashes, it's probably best for Darnold to stay in the same system for one more year.
I have to hope that they will take a look at the entire organization this offseason. This year, we had to fire our GM midseason because Gase realized he was working with an incompetent buffoon who was going to get him fired. In 2 weeks, Douglas or Johnson or someone needs to get feedback from Adams, Darnold, McLendon and other team leaders as to what they think about Gase. If Douglas is convinced Gase is a bad coach, and Darnold isn't as high on Gase in private as he is in public, then we should fire Gase in 2 weeks and get it over with.
I agree with most of what you said, I just think Joe Douglas and Darnold will be fine whether or not Gase is here. I’d rather not hold back our franchise QB and GM leading the rebuild with the task of finding out if Gase is a good coach or not.
https://twitter.com/rajpc1/status/1206310463547551744
“The Ravens have been vulnerable to outside the tackles rushing, ranking in the bottom 3 in yards per carry allowed on outside rushes”
Gase: nah
Ryan Tannehill, Kenyan Drake, and Devante Parker combined for 8 TDs yesterday.He's like the good luck Chuck of coaches, as soon as we fire him, Sam will become elite.
They’re all having career years.
I hate that the Bills are in the playoffs. freaking hate it.
What does this have to do with Adam Gase?
https://www.gofundme.com/f/fireadamgaseI guess you could fake a name. Doubt Manish would openly do that.
Click the link and you'll see a familiar name as a donator
https://twitter.com/mmehtanydn/status/1208205885220311046?s=21
https://twitter.com/rajpc1/status/1208176891145998341?s=21
I think this is less about the jets than it is about ed reed. Reed has been talking about this all year while complaining that no team (college or nfl) want him as a coachI have no idea what he is referring to but just because you're a great player doesnt mean you are qualified to be a coach.
https://twitter.com/mmehtanydn/status/1208205885220311046?s=21
https://twitter.com/rajpc1/status/1208176891145998341?s=21
I have no idea what he is referring to but just because you're a great player doesnt mean you are qualified to be a coach.Ed reed disagrees
https://twitter.com/grindingthetape/status/1209135710936215552?s=21
The dolphins fired Gase, traded Kenyan Drake, played Rosen and Fitz this entire year. The Jets hired Gase, signed LeVeon Bell, and have a potential franchise QB in place. The dolphins have a higher ranked offense than the Jets.
Edit: 2018 Jets under Todd Bowles had a higher ranked offense than the 2018 dolphins in points for and yardage.
Your healthy reminder that while The Draft Network’s mock draft tool is a lot of fun, all of their content creators are gigantic faggots.
Weird that Kliff Kingsbury doesn’t have that same issue that Gase had with Kenyan Drake. Averaging 5.25 yards per carry.
Somebody else on the Miami offensive staff must've been making the adjustments.
Because Kenyan Drake's issues with Miami were all because of Adam Gase.
He had so much success there after Gase left that they traded him for peanuts.
#TeflonGase
47 carries for 147 yards in 6 games this season with Miami. (3.1 YPC)
Miami sucks. They're currently stripping down the team this year (that Gase built btw).
Oh yeah, I forgot that Adam Gase was Miami's GM too.
Stop making excrement up.
If we beat Buffalo in an ugly game, will you still want Gase fired?
If we beat Buffalo in an ugly game, will you still want Gase fired?
It's not about one game. It's his entire body of work, and his ability to take this team to the next level (which in my opinion, i don't think he has).I just dont think he has shown one way or the other whether or not he can be the guy. He was mediocre in Miami but the only year he had a healthy QB, he made the playoffs. And as soon as he left, they hated the roster so much they decided to blow it up. Maybe Gase deserves some blame for the roster, I dont know, but I also dont think it matters since Gase isnt the GM here.
There are rumblings that Buffalo is going to sit their starters next week...winning ugly won't prove anything anyway.
I will throw you this bone. After Douglas improves the roster and the roster gets healthy in 2020. If we start beating some teams that are actually better than .500 (and trust, our schedule is loaded with them)...i'll change my perspective. I just don't think it's going to happen....not with Gase.
Please, prove me wrong. Because i prefer winning.
I just dont think he has shown one way or the other whether or not he can be the guy. He was mediocre in Miami but the only year he had a healthy QB, he made the playoffs. And as soon as he left, they hated the roster so much they decided to blow it up. Maybe Gase deserves some blame for the roster, I dont know, but I also dont think it matters since Gase isnt the GM here.
I know you say it isnt about the results, but I cant imagine a coach getting fired after one season where he went 6-2 down the stretch. This team has built some momentum into the offseason. I'd like to see if Year 2 is better with health, continuity and our 22-year old QB not being quarantined for almost a quarter of the season.
I don't know if Buffalo will play starters much, if at all this week. They are locked in at #5. They may roll Allen out there for a quarter or so. I don't even know who their backup QB is. Edit: Matt Barkley.
Jets should win.
That's the problem, DS. He was mediocre in Miami. Healthy QB or not. He didn't do anything to move the needle.
Gase had a hand in firing Macc and essentially hand-picked Douglas for Johnson to hire. You know he's going to have his hands all over this roster.
And you're right, he's not getting fired after this season. CJ made that perfectly clear. But that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be, and his seat should be quite hot going into 2020.
I just dont think he has shown one way or the other whether or not he can be the guy. He was mediocre in Miami but the only year he had a healthy QB, he made the playoffs. And as soon as he left, they hated the roster so much they decided to blow it up. Maybe Gase deserves some blame for the roster, I dont know, but I also dont think it matters since Gase isnt the GM here.
I know you say it isnt about the results, but I cant imagine a coach getting fired after one season where he went 6-2 down the stretch. This team has built some momentum into the offseason. I'd like to see if Year 2 is better with health, continuity and our 22-year old QB not being quarantined for almost a quarter of the season.
And not learning another new offense.Newsflash: Darnold is more than capable of learning a new offense....I promise his head won’t explode if he passes the 2 offense threshold.
Newsflash: Darnold is more than capable of learning a new offense....I promise his head won’t explode if he passes the 2 offense threshold.Of course he can. That doesn't mean it is good for his development. Obviously staying in a bad system isnt good for his development either, but I dont think we know that
Of course he can. That doesn't mean it is good for his development. Obviously staying in a bad system isnt good for his development either, but I dont think we know that
I agree with the latter part of your statement in the respect that he shouldn't feel secure in his position, but in what universe does he deserve to be fired off of the results of this year? Given all the injuries, how could anyone have expected better than 6-10/7-9?
Is the system really that bad? We don't know yet.
We've lost basically out entire offensive line, and two of our most reliable pass catchers (Griffin and Herndon).
Sam Darnold is not turning the football over a lot down the stretch. If this team can continue to play defense at a high level in 2020 and Darnold limits mistakes, we'll can compete for a playoff spot, even with a tougher schedule.
Looks like you lot have been having fun today and I certainly don't want to rehash any of today's extensive discussions, but no one is calling for Gase to be fired because of results. We have no faith in Gase and never did because of the offense he puts on the field.
Our wins have come as a result of facing one dimensional teams with whom we match up well, and because Williams has done a freaking brilliant job with the defense. Gase gets no credit for the latter and only very minor credit for the former, because he's supposed to be a head coach and an OC, not a passing game co-ordinator.
If you want to hire him to sit in a darkened room drawing up pages and pages of plays for an actual OC to call at the right time, I'm completely down with that. He shouldn't be calling plays on the sideline though because he has never in his career demonstrated any ability to do it effectively.
Looks like you lot have been having fun today and I certainly don't want to rehash any of today's extensive discussions, but no one is calling for Gase to be fired because of results.
What an interesting way to say what happens on the field doesn't matter.
Newsflash: Darnold is more than capable of learning a new offense....I promise his head won’t explode if he passes the 2 offense threshold.
But it will take until mid season again, by which time you'll want the new coach fired because "Darnold is regressing."
But it will take until mid season again, by which time you'll want the new coach fired because "Darnold is regressing."
"darnold is a bust because of gase"
Nope...just Gase
Last year it was just Bowles. Get anyone else, an offensive mind.And we went out and hired the worst one available
"darnold is a bust because of gase"Remember, when Dsrnold does well, it is in spite of Gase. When Dsrnold does badly, it is because of Gaee. Or so I've heard.
The guy is here next year unless he quits or dies.He isnt quitting but a cocaine overdose or sleep deprivation death is certainly possible.
Remember, when Dsrnold does well, it is in spite of Gase. When Dsrnold does badly, it is because of Gaee. Or so I've heard.
I said before the coaching hire that I thought Darnold is good enough to play well on his own talent/ability regardless of the coach. What I wanted was a coach that would help Darnold grow and take the next step as a sophomore QB. We’ve seen it happen with many young QBs over the last few years, I won’t bother to list them all. I haven’t seen anything out of our offense this year to suggest that Gase has that type of coaching ability. It’s been pretty bad all around.
Knowledge transfer from another thread, for those wondering why many of us doubt this head coach.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-jets-fans-20191224-aqdwksbo5nditexjl65gvdb6ye-story.html
Gase has actually made the offense worse in every meaningful statistical category this season.
Consider the irrefutable facts: The Jets are worse in 2019 than 2018 in points per game (20.8 to 17.5), total yards (299.2 to 273.1), yards per play (4.9 to 4.6), first downs per game (16.1 to 15.7), passing yards (197.8 to 195.1), rushing yards (101.4 to 78.1), rushing yards per attempt (4.0 to 3.3), third-down efficiency (32 percent to 30 percent) and plays per game (60.7 to 59.4).
The offense has regressed by every objective measure going from former play-caller Jeremy Bates to Gase.
Gase’s offense ranks in the bottom three in the league in total yards, rushing, passing, yards per play, third-down efficiency, and first downs.
Knowledge transfer from another thread, for those wondering why many of us doubt this head coach.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-jets-fans-20191224-aqdwksbo5nditexjl65gvdb6ye-story.html
Gase has actually made the offense worse in every meaningful statistical category this season.
Consider the irrefutable facts: The Jets are worse in 2019 than 2018 in points per game (20.8 to 17.5), total yards (299.2 to 273.1), yards per play (4.9 to 4.6), first downs per game (16.1 to 15.7), passing yards (197.8 to 195.1), rushing yards (101.4 to 78.1), rushing yards per attempt (4.0 to 3.3), third-down efficiency (32 percent to 30 percent) and plays per game (60.7 to 59.4).
The offense has regressed by every objective measure going from former play-caller Jeremy Bates to Gase.
Gase’s offense ranks in the bottom three in the league in total yards, rushing, passing, yards per play, third-down efficiency, and first downs.
The guy is here next year unless he quits or dies. I'm going to hope we can get healthy, get at least an average OL and watch Darnold ball. Please re-sign Robby, don't trade Adams, keep Gegg. I'm fine either way on Bell if something good comes along. Promote Boyer to Executive Vice Dude or whatever needed to keep him around.
The good things about this year:
We have really built depth everywhere by making starters out of these turds. Our o-line are pretty good as backups, not so much as starters.
If Darnold can thrive with this line, it can only get better if he get more than 0.1 seconds to throw.
If they improve the OL, Bell becomes a deadly weapon for this offense and will make Sam's life so much easier.
Is Bell still a deadly weapon? He's still pretty good. But Heis and I were talking the other day and he brought up the chance that Bell may be on the decline. It's certainly possible.
Having a garbage oline doesn't necessarily help prove it though. I still think there's merit to that possibility.
I think Bell is worth another year to see if he can return to form, the risk/reward is totally in our favor. He sat a year and came back to an atrocious O line.I just think RBs are extremely replaceable. If we can get decent draft value for Bell, I would do it.
I just think RBs are extremely replaceable. If we can get decent draft value for Bell, I would do it.
I agree with everything here except regarding Bell.I'm fine either way with Bell. Don't trade him for peanuts, but if someone wants to overpay.....
If they improve the OL, Bell becomes a deadly weapon for this offense and will make Sam's life so much easier.
I think bells value comes in the money he frees up rather than the draft capital we get back.
I'm in the keeping bell camp, but if we need to trade him to sign scherff and someone else so be it
Are running backs who are also able to line up on the outside and be actually effective replaceable?I cant speak for others but running back, kicker, punter and returner are really the only positions I feel that way about.
I'm so tired of hearing about how positions like safety and running back are dime-a-dozen positions, and yet they're the best players on our team.
I cant speak for others but running back, kicker, punter and returner are really the only positions I feel that way about.
That said, according to OTC, the Jets have effective cap space next year of: $56,436,439. That's a nice bit of cash to spend. Bell is an expensive luxury item, but if they use what's left effectively, they can have an upgraded line with a dynamic RB threat.
I don't understand any of those.My point is that I dont think our offense would drop off much if we played Powell and Ty over Bell.
Like I said, RB is one of our team's best players. When the kicker sucks, we miss FGs and everyone is pissed. When the punter sucks, we give up field position. Returner I'm less apt to go crazy about, but a decent one gets you better starting field position.
I just can't stand the whole "X is more important than Y" position thing. QB is more important than any position, and a strong offensive line would be second on my list. But after that, I don't think there's any position that is vastly more or less important to the rest of the team. Good players help the team win--regardless of the position.
I think bells value comes in the money he frees up rather than the draft capital we get back.
I'm in the keeping bell camp, but if we need to trade him to sign scherff and someone else so be it
I'd have no problem jettisoning Bell if it means getting a day 2 pick.
Gotta hope Douglas can hit on the middle rounds, its the quickest way to improve the depth of the roster. Bell's great, but he plays a position where talent is a dime a dozen. Carlos Hyde was given away when camps broke, and is on his way to a 1,100 yard season.
There’s a rumour Gase has a burner account on twitter that was outed....@WyattV18
I’m not sure it’s true, but it’s gaining some traction.
There's a rumor that it's his son's account.
But we don’t actually have another RB on the roster next year if we move Bell. So we need to use financial and draft resources to replace him. So essentially the draft pick is a wash as we would need a RB with it. So we need to save enough money that we can bring in an impact player at a more valuable position and STILL afford a veteran RB. That will be hard to do when we probably have a to eat a large potion of Bells salary still in order to find a taker so we can move him.
I’d plan on keeping Bell and if I get blown away entertain an option for moving him.
His son is 7 years old. No way it's his kid.
It's probably Manish.
His son is 7 years old. No way it's his kid.
It's probably Manish.
For the money we're paying bell next year we could literally get any back on the market
excrement we could probably sign the 3 best backs available to 1 year contracts and save money
Regardless Bell was one of the least effective backs in the league for us. It's impossible to justify paying him 14 million to continue to do os
His son is 7 years old. No way it's his kid.
It's probably Manish.
If Mitt Romney can do it why not Gase?
Resident bookkeeper chimes in. Get him a line, then judge.
Hard enoguh imaging a 40 year old man who isn't a celebrity or reporter using Twitter. Let alone one using a fake TwitterHard to imagine anyone thinking Twitter is only for reporters and celebrities in late 2019.
A crazy wife or something is much more imaginable.
Regardless this seems kinda nonsensical
Hard to imagine anyone thinking Twitter is only for reporters and celebrities in late 2019.
Bucs GM Jason Licht got busted for a fake twitter at one point I believe.
Hard to imagine anyone thinking Twitter is only for reporters and celebrities in late 2019.
Bucs GM Jason Licht got busted for a fake twitter at one point I believe.
But we don’t actually have another RB on the roster next year if we move Bell. So we need to use financial and draft resources to replace him. So essentially the draft pick is a wash as we would need a RB with it. So we need to save enough money that we can bring in an impact player at a more valuable position and STILL afford a veteran RB. That will be hard to do when we probably have a to eat a large potion of Bells salary still in order to find a taker so we can move him.
I’d plan on keeping Bell and if I get blown away entertain an option for moving him.
LolThere is no way that's him. If it is him he should be fired, not because of the burner account, but because he thinks Wesco should be able to block Judon 1vs1
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14 million will go a long way towards that end
Regardless anyone who wants to justify the 2nd highest paid RB in the league being the least effective starting back by blaming the OL is seriously delusional.
You're basing that all on one season. Bell has a track record, which is why he got that money. Again, look at the risk/reward. Worst case, barring injury, is we again have a solid RB, veteran leader, etc, who is overpaid. After another year of that it's easier to justify cutting him, or restructuring. Reward is, you build a line, he and Darnold come back in a familiar offense and we have one of the game's best players.
Yes I'm basing it off of this season, not off of things he did 3-4-5 years ago
And the risk is spending 14 million on Bell instead of spending it upgrading the offensive line or elsewhere.
If were talking about giving it to the Johnsons fine, of course you keep bell. But if we're talking about giving it to Bell instead of the best wideouts/OL available that's a different story.
But let's keep this argument simple as there is way too many variables. If Bells 14 million dollar salary is the difference between us resigning Robbie Anderson or not, is keeping him for his bloated salary still worth it?
Because that's the core tenant of my argument. Giving Bell that money means someone else isn't getting it
How about wr just keep HB who proved himself to be elite and see what he can do behind a revamped offensive line?2016 Bell was elite. 2017 Bell was very good. 201i Bell didnt play and 2019 Bell hasnt been that effective.
You are assuming we don’t have to pay any of Bells salary in a trade. His salary is so prohibitive to teams we would need to eat some of it to even move him. So if we have to eat $6 million to get a 5th back. We then have $8 million of his $14 off the books, that we need to use to upgrade a position, which is doable with an average / just barely above average player. But then we need to sign a FA back to replace Bell, as we literally don’t have anyone under contract. But it will be a cheap deal $2-$3 million meaning we now need to take a back in the draft to feel good about the position, oh and you can’t count on a 5th year rookie to make a big impact, so we need to use an earlier pick to replace Bell.
So we then trade Bell for $8 million of salary relief and a 5, which nets us an average starter at lets just say Corner, and a cheap back (costing us more total money than Bell) and now need to use a day 2 pick on an RB.
Is that for the best? Maybe, but I’d lean probably not. I’d probably be a lot happier with Bell and a 3rd round CB than the alternative I listed.
Ultimately you are treating trading Bell as if it automatically gives us full cap relief AND draft assets. That’s just not going to happen
Regardless it's clear our HC doesn't love to use Bell and we certainly don't need him.Bell is 7th in the NFL in touches this season despite missing a game. This is despite ranking near the bottom in yards per rush and yards per catch.
You are assuming we don’t have to pay any of Bells salary in a trade. His salary is so prohibitive to teams we would need to eat some of it to even move him. So if we have to eat $6 million to get a 5th round pick. We then have $8 million of his $14 off the books, that we need to use to upgrade a position, which is doable with an average / just barely above average player. But then we need to sign a FA RB to replace Bell, as we literally don’t have anyone under contract. But it will be a cheap deal $2-$3 million meaning we now need to take a RB in the draft to feel good about the position, oh and you can’t count on a 5th round rookie to make a big impact, so we need to use an earlier pick to replace Bell.
So we then trade Bell for $8 million of salary relief and a 5, which nets us an average starter at lets just say Corner, and a cheap back (costing us more total money than Bell) and now need to use a day 2 pick on an RB.
Is that for the best? Maybe, but I’d lean probably not. I’d probably be a lot happier with Bell and a 3rd round CB than the alternative I listed.
Ultimately you are treating trading Bell as if it automatically gives us full cap relief AND draft assets. That’s just not going to happen
When you factor in the diminishing return selling low and the fact that we'd have to spend some to replace him, probably better off to try another year with him. When Parcells got Curtis Martin the team was in a similar rebuilding stage, he had a big contract and I think cost us a couple picks because he was a restricted free agent. Just letting Bell go to acquire quantity is how you stay mediocre.
I will never understand why this fanbase is perpetually fixated on getting rid of our good players, instead of wanting to get rid of our shitty players and replacing them with good players.
I will never understand why this fanbase is perpetually fixated on getting rid of our good players, instead of wanting to get rid of our shitty players and replacing them with good players.
I will never understand why this fanbase is perpetually fixated on getting rid of our good players, instead of wanting to get rid of our shitty players and replacing them with good players.
I will never understand why this fanbase is perpetually fixated on getting rid of our good players, instead of wanting to get rid of our shitty players and replacing them with good players.
I posted it the other day, but the Jets are slated to have over $60MM in cap space next year. They can afford to pay Bell, re-sign Robby, get at least 1 offensive lineman in free agency, and even consider early extending Adams.
This is an increasingly young team, and should continue to be so. Now is exactly when you spend the money on keeping your talent while drafting your future. Stop thinking with the backwards "We need money to sign all the free agents" mentality this team has run itself with the past 20 years. That's not a winning methodology.
At least one offensive lineman? We need at least four new starters.
At least one offensive lineman? We need at least four new starters.
Yep. Can always get a gord in the later rounds. I was thinking a starting gord in the 6th and then this dude I know that takes my recycling on Thursdays could start at gord for the league minimum.
Should be able to take care of 2 starting Gord spots in 7th rd and UDFA
I highly doubt they're acquiring 4 new OL in free agency. Some of them have to come through the draft.
We probably need to add 7+ linemen through FA and the draft
Paying or not paying Bell doesn't change that.
We probably need to add 7+ linemen through FA and the draftI doubt replacing the entire line is feasible in 1 year. We have issues elsewhere too, even though o-line is the worst.
This was the type of impact we all wanted Gase to have on our offense. Improvement from last year
https://twitter.com/cardsmarkd/status/1211498949694984192?s=21
Instead, we have a bottom 3 offense being lead by a clown.
Arizona was dead last in offense last year and it wasn't very close. They did improve significantly, but it's a bit skewed by how shitty they were last year.
So let’s just look at how they improved (relative to the league), last year was 32 how did they finish this year?I'm not going to argue that. I mean, I could point at the Luke Falk diarrhea festival for 3 games, but it's the NFL, you have to just make do.
Last year what did we finish? This year we ended up last. So it’s undeniable we regressed
I'm not going to argue that. I mean, I could point at the Luke Falk diarrhea festival for 3 games, but it's the NFL, you have to just make do.
This was the type of impact we all wanted Gase to have on our offense. Improvement from last year
https://twitter.com/cardsmarkd/status/1211498949694984192?s=21
Instead, we have a bottom 3 offense being lead by a clown.
The Cardinals were awful this year and Kliff Kingsbury was a big reason for that. He has no idea how to manage a team.
The Cardinals were awful this year and Kliff Kingsbury was a big reason for that. He has no idea how to manage a team.
He’s an offensive coach and their offense drastically improved. That didn’t happen here, with a sophomore QB vs a rookie QB. We could talk about personnel issues, but we’re also talking about a team that was the worst in the league last season.
It's hilarious that we can't judge Gase based on this season. The offense was bad. The decision making was bad. Even if you completely throw out the Luke Falk games, what did Gase do that was good? This team was competitive because Greg Williams made chicken salad out of chicken excrement.
My biggest fear going into the season was exactly what played out. They won just enough to ensure Gase gets another year to screw up this team. In 2021, we'll all get to be pissed off that the new HC doesn't have Adams, Anderson, or Bell to work with while they all find success elsewhere.
You yourself acknowledge that the team played for him. One of the biggest criticisms that this board was spewing when he was hired and during the 1-7 start ("his players don't play for him, they hate him") has been proven to be demonstratively false. It would've been very easy for this team to roll over and play dead.
As for what else, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm pretty encouraged with the way Darnold responded after the Jaguars game.
The Kliff Kingsbury comparison is absolutely wild when you consider the upgrade at quarterback that is going from Josh Rosen to Kyler Murray.
Cards and Jets were both bottom 3 teams in the league last year. They both hired offensive HCs. They had a Rookie QB this year, we had Sam coming into year 2.
Jets:
Points scored: 31st
Yardage: 32nd
Cardinals:
Points scored: 16th
Yardage: 21st
Why were they so much better than us on offense this year?
Cards and Jets were both bottom 3 teams in the league last year. They both hired offensive HCs. They had a Rookie QB this year, we had Sam coming into year 2.
Jets:
Points scored: 31st
Yardage: 32nd
Cardinals:
Points scored: 16th
Yardage: 21st
Why were they so much better than us on offense this year?
Before the canned Offensive Line excuses start pouring in...
Offensive Line Rankings Per Football Outsiders:
Run Blocking
AZ: #20
NYJ: #26
Pass Blocking
AZ: #27
NYJ: #30
It's not a canned excuse, and PFO is trash.
It starts and ends with the offensive line.
Cardinals have made meaningful investments that finally bore fruit along their line this year. DJ Humphries played pretty well, he's a former first round pick. Justin Pugh was a guy they invested in free agency. He got healthy and had a solid year. Ditto AQ Shipley who's been there for a while now. Justin Murray was serviceable (anything or anyone is serviceable in comparison to how bad Brandon Shell was yesterday).
Didn't they also spend multiple picks on their receiving core last year? Jets lost two guys they thought were going to play huge roles for them in Enunwa and Herndon with absolutely no production out of either.
Adam Gase says he’s not considering staff changes at this time. #JetsWTF
WTF
Other than the OL coach, who was he going to change?Well...when your offense is a POS and dead last in the league. Some change is expected.
Well...when your offense is a POS and dead last in the league. Some change is expected.
Well...when your offense is a POS and dead last in the league. Some change is expected.
I don't think it's ridiculous that there won't be any turnover under Gase. The change will be in the on-field personnel. You can't expect Gase to blame any of his staff, or to not wholly blame the players. To do otherwise would be to admit there were things he could've--and didn't--do to improve the results on the field.And so the cycle continues...
Obviously, I'd like to clean out the entire offensive coaching staff, but if Gase isn't going anywhere, neither are his hand-picked coaches.
The one change that absolutely unequivocally needs to be made that not even Gase should be arguing with, is a new freaking training staff. That whole room should be fired. Most IR people in the league, and whatever people did to C.J. Mosely is a crime.
Yes bad luck plays a role, but there is no way things were that bad purely by luck.
That group needs to be lit on fire, or else we will deal with these injuries again next year.
And so the cycle continues...
the pro- vs anti- gase debating is going to be so gay on here for the next few months. it is what it isI'm fine with it if we keep it to this thread. But there's just no way that happens.
the pro- vs anti- gase debating is going to be so gay on here for the next few months. it is what it is
How many times do I have to say this, yes I am anti Gase but I’m pro Dowell Loggains
the pro- vs anti- gase debating is going to be so gay on here for the next few months. it is what it isWill this help?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191230/b4ddf6727295120e29937eedc0dc65a8.jpg)
What the freak Bo
proneboning lady gaga would be glorious, having lady gaga lazily lay on her stomach while you freak and get to see that derriere jiggle all night is the stuff of dreams
i don't know what you guys are on but you are all dead wrong when it comes to lady gaga
What the freak Bo
Mike GarafoloThey are getting a new QB. Now's the time to change if you aren't sure about the OC you have. No sense in having your QB learn 2 offenses in 2 years.
#Dolphins have fired OC Chad O'Shea after one season, sources say. Brian Flores and the team make a move after O'Shea's offense ranked 27th in the league.
...but some on here are content with the 32nd ranked offense.
They are getting a new QB. Now's the time to change if you aren't sure about the OC you have. No sense in having your QB learn 2 offenses in 2 years.Why? Is our QB retarded?
Update on @WyattV18:
It was Mehta. https://twitter.com/incarceratedbob/status/1211824820784189440
Shocking. Who could have seen that coming.
Update on @WyattV18:
It was Mehta. https://twitter.com/incarceratedbob/status/1211824820784189440
Shocking. Who could have seen that coming.
I'm fine with it if we keep it to this thread. But there's just no way that happens.
It's really "pro-Gase" vs "pro-continuity." Nobody here loves Gase. Granted, I hope he succeeds because I'd love to see this board if Gase is successful here, but the jury is out.
I don't know why you continue to push this narrative while also complaining that people are accusing you of loving Gase.
I don't think anyone here would be upset if Adam Gase suddenly has this offense clicking on all cylinders next year. The only issue is that many of us don't believe he will bacause we don't believe he can.
I certainly can't speak for anyone else, but I'd personally love to be talking about how happy I am to be wrong about Gase while standing in the Canyon of Heroes with everyone on this board on a cold February morning in a couple of years.
ADAM GASE FIRED
On this day in 2018 by the Miami Dolphins
Those guys are freaking losers.I can't imagine spending money to have someone drive a truck around in a circle. Those guys are embarrassments to the fan base.
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Doing the Lord's work.
For various reasons, wide receiver Quincy Enunwa, safety Jamal Adams and former guard Kelechi Osemele ripped the organization on social media. The issue went beyond those three. One source said "many" players felt there was a lack of communication under first-year coach Adam Gase.
ok ill jump in this dumpster fire.
Worst OL ive ever seen for the Jets, possibly ever. Pass blocking started to improve then more injuries came. It was an utter shitshow. We have good DL, it all starts up front. There goes the Gregg Willams didnt make excuses counter point.
I get the criticisms on Gase though as far as an inability to adjust in game, going into a shell in situational playcalling, and the non chalant passive aggressive stuff with Bell. (that one bothers me the most)
all that being said most people assumed it was a 9 win season with a completely healthy roster. if you told me wed end up 7-9 and shows me who missed how many games I wouldve signed up for it in preseason.
I want to see what Gase and Douglas do in at least 1 real offseason together before i get any pitchfork out.
easy schedule or not, this team couldve given up at 1-7 and they didnt. maybe thats a testament to the locker room more than it is Gase, but that cant be overlooked.
am i sold on Adam Gase? certainly not. I have more faith in Douglas than Gase though so I will see how next season pans out first.
Pretty much my position word for word.
Mine too though I’m not optimistic at all. I do think Gase sucks but there’s no 100% foolproof evidence at the moment of that, so I’m willing to waste another year of my life to know it for sure instead of blowing everything up all over again.We took this approach with Todd Bowles. That’s why I’m so vehemently against giving Gase the benefit of the doubt.
Mine too though I’m not optimistic at all. I do think Gase sucks but there’s no 100% foolproof evidence at the moment of that, so I’m willing to waste another year of my life to know it for sure instead of blowing everything up all over again.
Our offense last year under Bates was more productive than this year.
The stats don't lie.
- We were the 32nd ranked offense in the league.
- Gase led offenses have declined YoY as a head coach in overall ranking.
- Our offense last year under Bates was more productive than this year.
How can anyone think that just because you address the OL, that we will turn into some offensive juggernaut? His track record says it won't.
I'll say this, the first drives of the game were impressive, better than I remember it for a long time. I feel like a second year into the offense we can start to translate that to the rest of the game.
So far the only good thing I really have to say about him is that he did manage to get Maccagnan fired.
So far the only good thing I really have to say about him is that he did manage to get Maccagnan fired.
He hired Gregg Williams
So far the only good thing I really have to say about him is that he did manage to get Maccagnan fired.
Why? Why do you think that in his fifth year as a head coach and playcaller he's suddenly going to figure out how to make in game adjustments and call plays based upon what the defense is showing, given he has failed to do so in the previous four?
I feel like you are suffering some variant of Stockholm Syndrome, desperately clinging on to blind faith that things will somehow work out.
IT'S ONLY A GAME!
*cries about players kneeling while bowing down to Donald Trump Fathead©*
Gase without a hat looks like a serial killer. Serious case of crazy eyes.
https://twitter.com/deflategator/status/1214689758011678720?s=21
https://twitter.com/wallace17_dakid/status/1216177894629814273?s=21
Here’s the thing though there’s no actual evidence of any players not getting along with Gase ever
Mike Wallace wasn't on the Dolphins when Adam Gase was their head coach
So he’s either talking out of his derriere or he knows other guys on the dolphins that played for Adam Gase.
Or he’s just saying that it’s not possible for a player to thrive on the dolphins in general
Mike Wallace wasn't on the Dolphins when Adam Gase was their head coach
Before anyone continues to use Tannehill as proof that Gase is a garbage head coach, RT's stats over the past two games
15 for 29 160 TDs 3 TDs 1 int
He is far from a franchise qb
Emmanuel Acho
@thEMANacho
Imagine a coach who convinced us Ryan Tannehill, Kenyan Drake, and De’vante Parker were no good.
Giving him another head coaching job, and letting him convince us Le’Veon Bell & Sam Darnold aren’t that good.
I wish you luck #Jets.
Has anyone considered that Gase should be fired?
No, I've never heard anyone suggest this and am looking forward to hearing it suggested a few thousand more times before another Jets game is played.FYP
Update: board is still gay, and will remain as long as this (or all the other Gase) thread(s) hover at the top.
Update: board is still gay, and will remain as long as this (or all the other Gase) thread(s) hover at the top.There are plenty of other reason we are all gay. Especially Puck. He's kinda like the smart kid on the baseball team that brings up the team GPA from all the dumb kids. Except its total board gayness instead of GPA.
Update: board is still gay, and will remain as long as this (or all the other Gase) thread(s) hover at the top.
Update: board is still gay, and will remain as long as this (or all the other Gase) thread(s) hover at the top.To be fair if Gase wins more games next season this will be a more positive thread.
To be fair if Gase has the team playing good offense next season this will be a more positive thread.
FYP
Would you not be up in arms if the offense finishes top 15-20 but they only win 7 games?
Especially Puck. He's kinda like the smart kid on the baseball team that brings up the team GPA from all the dumb kids.
why are you fuckers whining about the queerness in this place.
Would you not be up in arms if the offense finishes top 15-20 but they only win 7 games?
Of course I want Darnold to develop into a top QB for the next decade but the whole point of that is to win games. I don't care what we're ranked in anything except the standings.Really? For me the whole point is to spend a minimum of 16 enjoyable Sunday afternoons watching the Jets play good football. Wins are the outcome of process, to disregard the quality of the process is at best naive.
Of course I want Darnold to develop into a top QB for the next decade but the whole point of that is to win games. I don't care what we're ranked in anything except the standings.
Of course I want Darnold to develop into a top QB for the next decade but the whole point of that is to win games. I don't care what we're ranked in anything except the standings.
Really? For me the whole point is to spend a minimum of 16 enjoyable Sunday afternoons watching the Jets play good football. Wins are the outcome of process, to disregard the quality of the process is at best naive.
I'm more in line with Seafood on this one.When the pressure increased Eli got better. That's a function of process.
Sure, I want to see the team progress and Darnold mature into a first-ballot HoF QB. However, the Giants won two Super Bowls with Eli Manning under center.
Win a Super Bowl. That's what I want. I don't care if it happens completely by accident.
When the pressure increased Eli got better. That's a function of process.
No one wins a Super Bowl by accident.
Idk this patriots dynasty run was pretty flukyYou don't accidentally sell your soul to Beelzebub. They'll get what's coming to them.
I'm more in line with Seafood on this one.
Sure, I want to see the team progress and Darnold mature into a first-ballot HoF QB. However, the Giants won two Super Bowls with Eli Manning under center.
Win a Super Bowl. That's what I want. I don't care if it happens completely by accident.
I enjoy every game day now, there's too few of them so regardless how we're doing they're the best days of the year.
Playing well and winning go together, I don't care how we get wins, just get them. Get to the Super Bowl once for me while I'm here. I'm glad this team got to 7-9 from where it was, especially after 5-11, 5-11 and 4-12, especially going 7-6 with Darnold. That's a positive step. If we win 10 games next year and make the playoffs it means we improved again, regardless of how. There's always things you need to fix from one year to the next, guys who move on or retire, but I find it hard to believe there's Jet fans crying about style points if we're finally winning games.
I always refer back to the Shrek year under Herm. Who cares if you win ugly? Winning is what counts. Sure, I want this team to become a dominant elite juggernaut and I want to be accused of being a bandwagon fan as we win our 4th straight Lombardi. But I'll be satisfied getting that one.
I only enjoy wins. Losing sucks.
A true franchise QB is probably the most important element to sustained success in the NFL. I don’t really care what our record is next year, I want to have a window where we compete for the playoffs a few years in a row. If we end next year with question marks at HC and QB, I won’t give a excrement if we ended with 7 wins or 8 wins.
Agreed.
I'm usually fine with winning ugly, but our number 1 concern should be making sure Sam is learning and improving. The score doesn't matter if Sam is regressing. Sam's progression is the one and only determinant of Gase's success. Meaning if we make the playoffs, but are the 30th ranked offense I will still call for Gase's head.
Serious question. If the Jets have the league's worst offense, but the league's best defense, and every single win is by single digits, throw in a couple of blowout losses, but they win the Super Bowl on a Jamal Adams pick-6 after Sam has a 4 INT day, you'll still want to fire Gase?That won't happen because one dimensional teams get found out, but in your hypothetical situation then yes. I want to enjoy watching football.
As much as I don't like him, if he wins a title, he's instantly my favorite Jets coach ever. I don't care if Sam looks like derriere throughout the entire campaign.
Just looking at the win column tells you nothing.
That won't happen because one dimensional teams get found out, but in your hypothetical situation then yes. I want to enjoy watching football.
We won games in the back half because we played good defense against excrement teams. Just looking at the win column tells you nothing.
Should the Titans be playing in the AFCC? They barely made the wildcard.
It doesn't matter how you get there. Just get there.
I'm not saying I don't want to see Sam and the offense take strides forward. Of course I do because that increases the overall chance of success. But if they win despite making no offensive progress, I'm still going to be happy with the results.
Winning is all I care about.
Should the Titans be playing in the AFCC? They barely made the wildcard.
I'm not saying I don't want to see Sam and the offense take strides forward. Of course I do because that increases the overall chance of success. But if they win despite making no offensive progress, I'm still going to be happy with the results.
Winning is all I care about.
Should the Titans be playing in the AFCC? They barely made the wildcard.
It doesn't matter how you get there. Just get there.
I'm not saying I don't want to see Sam and the offense take strides forward. Of course I do because that increases the overall chance of success. But if they win despite making no offensive progress, I'm still going to be happy with the results.
Winning is all I care about.
Holy freaking excrement.
It's a simple concept. If the jets win a superbowl inyour crazy hypothetical scenario Gase should be fired.
Gase is technically the head coach and offensive coordinator, but at the end of the day is a glorified OC. If we won the superbowl in this scenario its 100% because of Gregg williams at the expense of Gase. Therefore Gase should be fired and William's should be the head coach.
Holy freaking excrement.
It's a simple concept. If the jets win a superbowl inyour crazy hypothetical scenario Gase should be fired.
Gase is technically the head coach and offensive coordinator, but at the end of the day is a glorified OC. If we won the superbowl in this scenario its 100% because of Gregg williams at the expense of Gase. Therefore Gase should be fired and William's should be the head coach.
When the Devils won their first Cup in 1995 the whole world was complaining how ugly and boring it was. Didn't bother me in the least, it remains the most dominant playoff run any of my sports teams have ever had.I dont see how that has anything to do with the jets scenario.
I dont see how that has anything to do with the jets scenario.
Gase was brought in for one reason, to be a QB whisperer. If he cant do that he should be fired.
Enjoying victories in the meantime isnt mutually exclusive with games, success
He was brought in as the head coach, not OC or QB coach. Head coach runs the team, oversees everything. Ultimately responsible for winning or not winning vs each opponent each week. That's how I judge Gase, just like every other head coach we've ever had.
Except it's on record that he wants nothing to do with the Defense...that's why Greg Williams is here. So he's NOT overseeing everything.
They hired Gase to develop Sam. Yes he's the HC...but developing our franchise QB was a prime directive handed down from ownership.
So he's NOT overseeing everything.
You don’t know this
You don’t know this
“The HC only cares about offense”
This is not a safe assumption. It’s a wild reach.
If you really think Gase doesn’t meet with Gregg and the rest of his staff to go over their plans week-to-week...
I don’t know what to tell you.
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
So Gase receiving status updates from Gregg in meetings, is overseeing the D and being actively involved? okDoes any offensive-oriented coach in the league do that?
If you can find me proof that Gase is drawing up game plans for the D and making defensive adjustments during games....i'll stfu.
If you can find me proof that Gase is drawing up game plans for the D
That isn’t how coaching works
He was brought in as the head coach, not OC or QB coach. Head coach runs the team, oversees everything. Ultimately responsible for winning or not winning vs each opponent each week. That's how I judge Gase, just like every other head coach we've ever had.
That’s just not true. Gase didn’t have excrement to do with the success of the defense or special teams. You could have had any HC in here last year but as long as Greggg and Boyer were here, the results would have been the same or better.
Fire Gase because he isn’t the OC and the DC at the same time!
Gase was hired to be the HC, yes. The reason he was selected to be the HC was to bring a quality offensive scheme in, develop Sam Darnold, and call plays. Gase didn’t do any of those things well this year.
Is that why he was hired?
Or is that the assumption amongst the fans?
Pretty sure that’s what Chris Johnson said but I was in a blind rage
It's like you guys are arguing over freaking semantics.
Greg Williams can be far more important to the defense and Gase can still be involved in the defense.
If you don't think Wade Phillips was far more important for the Rams defense than McVay (who everybody blows) then you don't know excrement.
Of course a guy like Williams who has been a DC for the last 30 freaking years is going to have far more influence knowledge and impact on the defense than a 41 year old head coach
The best thing he’s done is get Mike Maccagnan the freak outta here
I’m sure offense and QB development are a big piece but as dumb as our owners have been, I don’t think they’d hire a head coach if he didn’t have an entire plan in place when being interviewed.
People don’t want to give the dude any credit. This is his staff. He retained Boyer. He brought in Gregg Williams and that defensive staff.
This is his coaching staff.
Everyone wants to whine about Loggains, but not applaud him for Gregg.
As a reminder, he got a ton of excrement around these parts for bringing Gregg in to begin with. Now of course, he gets no credit.Was there really people upset about Williams? I recall rejoicing when we got him...
The guy has a resume, and also a ton of baggage. It wasn't an obvious, slam-dunk hire. Then there was the whole thing about him and Vitt being on the same staff.
Was there really people upset about Williams? I recall rejoicing when we got him...
This i'll agree with.
But that's the "only" thing he's done right here.
So he didn’t hire a defensive staff that did a great job?3 solid decisions
Retaining Boyer wasn’t a good decision?
Does any offensive-oriented coach in the league do that?
Gase was hired to be the HC, yes. The reason he was selected to be the HC was to bring a quality offensive scheme in, develop Sam Darnold, and call plays. Gase didn’t do any of those things well this year.
3 solid decisions
freak...give that man a 5yr extension
Too bad he can’t figure out what he was hired to do.
No one is clamoring for him to be extended. The most ardent supporters of Gase on this thread just want to see what he can do in year 2. Year 3 isn't guaranteed.
Somehow that's regarded as a crazy point of view here.
This is the first time since 2011 that we’ve had the same head coach, OC, and DC.
Are you sure? I thought we retained the same HC OC and DC from the 10-6 season in 15 to 16.
No one is clamoring for him to be extended. The most ardent supporters of Gase on this thread just want to see what he can do in year 5.
FYP
Nobody is saying that either. Show me one person talking about a year five. Year one was good enough to earn year two, especially since it finished way better than it started.Next year is year 5. You can continue to completely disregard his prior head coaching performance if you wish but I'm not going to.
Ooooooh, madness.
Next year is year 5. You can continue to completely disregard his prior head coaching performance if you wish but I'm not going to.
Whatever he did in Miami doesn't carry over to this team, it's a whole different program with different people in place. He's been here one year with a 22 year old QB.Except it’s not...
And coincidentally, same results
By same results, you mean a winning record when his starting quarterback is healthy?According to seafood...details don’t matter, just wins and losses.
According to seafood...details don’t matter, just wins and losses.
So healthy quarterback variables aren’t welcome in this discussion
I didn't say they don't matter, but the final result is what you ultimately judge by. When you have to keep twisting our arguments into things they aren't, maybe that should tell you something.
I'm just playing by your rules.
When you're done cherrypicking the argument to fit your narrative...let us know.
I literally laughed out loud. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.Not at all
No you're not, you're changing things we say to argue with a boogeyman because you have no argument. Nobody is looking to extend Gase for five years at this point, and the last time I checked, pro football was a business based on winning or losing first and foremost. The record didn't end up nearly as the doomsayers were hoping for at 1-7, so you've painted yourselves into a corner now of wanting to fire a coach over stats. If the stats were better and the record was worse you'd be going that way, and you'd have more of a case, but you don't so you have to play word games.Beating a bunch of bottom feeding teams after the 1-7 start isn’t a glowing endorsement.
Beating a bunch of bottom feeding teams after the 1-7 start isn’t a glowing endorsement.
Holy freak this is exactly what I didn’t want to read during the entire offseason.
We know who hates him (I’m one of those). We know why.
He’s not getting fired before next season starts unless he gets a dui or punches his wife, neither of which have been a problem for him in the past, so let’s just take a break on this thread for a month.
I’m sure offense and QB development are a big piece but as dumb as our owners have been, I don’t think they’d hire a head coach if he didn’t have an entire plan in place when being interviewed.
People don’t want to give the dude any credit. This is his staff. He retained Boyer. He brought in Gregg Williams and that defensive staff.
This is his coaching staff.
Everyone wants to whine about Loggains, but not applaud him for Gregg.
No you're not, you're changing things we say to argue with a boogeyman because you have no argument. Nobody is looking to extend Gase for five years at this point, and the last time I checked, pro football was a business based on winning or losing first and foremost. The record didn't end up nearly as the doomsayers were hoping for at 1-7, so you've painted yourselves into a corner now of wanting to fire a coach over stats. If the stats were better and the record was worse you'd be going that way, and you'd have more of a case, but you don't so you have to play word games.Technically it's based on championships
Technically it's based on championships
Gase has won zero in 4 years
#FireGase
That's not true
#Champed
Everyone was mandated except for Dowell Loggains, right?On a serious note, the fact that Gase has done nothing to change the offensive staff really puts pressure on him next year. I didn't think he would make significant changes since he runs the offense, so he wants guys he is comfortable working with. But even with the offensive line issues, the offense was still hard to watch last season. By not making any changes, this puts more pressure on himself to get it done next year.
On a serious note, the fact that Gase has done nothing to change the offensive staff really puts pressure on him next year. I didn't think he would make significant changes since he runs the offense, so he wants guys he is comfortable working with. But even with the offensive line issues, the offense was still hard to watch last season. By not making any changes, this puts more pressure on himself to get it done next year.
I wanted Gase to make tweaks to the staff, didn’t expect him to. The guy is in a serious case of denial if he thinks Dowell Loggains is an asset to him and will help him succeed.
On a serious note, the fact that Gase has done nothing to change the offensive staff really puts pressure on him next year. I didn't think he would make significant changes since he runs the offense, so he wants guys he is comfortable working with. But even with the offensive line issues, the offense was still hard to watch last season. By not making any changes, this puts more pressure on himself to get it done next year.I'm with you here.
I'm with you here.
You would think since our offense was ranked dead last, there would be some coaching turnover. I'm blown away Gase stood pat.
Even more surprising is that Gase hasn't fired his strength and conditioning staff. Players are going to get injured....but the way they handled their recoveries (ie Mosley) was subpar.
The recoveries and the corresponding treatment isn't on the strength guy, that's on the Dr. and the team's therapists. They're the ones creating the treatment plans. The strength guy should be the one preventing injuries in the first place and they should look at all of them because something was seriously wrong there.
The recoveries and the corresponding treatment isn't on the strength guy, that's on the Dr. and the team's therapists. They're the ones creating the treatment plans. The strength guy should be the one preventing injuries in the first place and they should look at all of them because something was seriously wrong there.
Any chance the injuries are just in the category of "excrement happens"?
The recoveries and the corresponding treatment isn't on the strength guy, that's on the Dr. and the team's therapists. They're the ones creating the treatment plans. The strength guy should be the one preventing injuries in the first place and they should look at all of them because something was seriously wrong there.Does that fall on the head coach? My guess would be that they would report separately to the GM, but it is only a guess. It's probably also a slightly less urgent change than any you might make to the coaching staff, as they're presumably not part of any FA or draft decisions.
Does that fall on the head coach? My guess would be that they would report separately to the GM, but it is only a guess. It's probably also a slightly less urgent change than any you might make to the coaching staff, as they're presumably not part of any FA or draft decisions.
that was a massive pile of excrement this year.
Gase dealt with an above average amount of injuries in Miami too. I'm wondering if there's a correlation or if it's just a weird coincidence.
Wasn't the strength and conditioning coach in Miami the one doing coke and banging bookers or some excrement
Wasn't the strength and conditioning coach in Miami the one doing coke and banging bookers or some excrement
that was a massive pile of excrement this year.
Gase dealt with an above average amount of injuries in Miami too. I'm wondering if there's a correlation or if it's just a weird coincidence.
Does that fall on the head coach? My guess would be that they would report separately to the GM, but it is only a guess. It's probably also a slightly less urgent change than any you might make to the coaching staff, as they're presumably not part of any FA or draft decisions.
I don't know the exact process but a treatment plan and such is created for a player and relayed. As far as I know, the coach GM shouldn't have too much input as they're not medical people but we all know that's probably not the case. Their jobs, in many cases, hinge on players not being out too long. So in the past coaches and GM's don't exactly have the players best interest at heart. I think that's changed somewhat as players now have more input then ever in their treatments.But why?
Anyway, one year of injuries is a small sample size and not any indication of a poor medical, strength and conditioning staff, especially in Football.
What gives me pause is the handling of Osemele which was flat out weird and Moseley groin. The Jets with Pearlman and his interesting (criminal really) take on concussions and thru this year don't have a great reputation for medical staffing. So yeah I would love them to take a look at things. I don't know what that entails and how long it should take. It's the offseason so take your time. NYC has some of the finest Dr's in the world and they're not going anywhere.
The only part on Gase that I know is they put rehabbing players fines out in the open on an electronic board like a bunch of putzes, that's on the coach. Other than that the practices are governed by the CBA so I don't think the injuries are the result of anything Gase has done. Even when Williamson was injured in preseason, he begged to stay in the game. That's bad luck...
I think Gase is what he is, not very good, but the injuries are not something to pin on him. It's the NFL.
What gives me pause is the handling of Osemele which was flat out weird and Moseley groin.
About the Osemele case, if the Jets were in the wrong on that one, wouldn't the league have reprimanded us by now?
Which teams used pre-snap motion/shifts most often in 2019? [via PFF]
1. SF (79%)
2. BAL (71%)
3. NE (64%)
T4. KC (61%)
T4. TEN (61%)
6. DAL (60%)
7. CAR (58%)
T8. DEN (55%)
T8 LAC (55%)
10. PIT (50%)
...
T28. MIA (35%)
T28. ARI (35%)
30. NYJ (32%)
31. BUF (31%)
32. JAX (25%)
I’m not great at math but I feel like there’s a statistical correlation here
Surprised we didn’t motion Bell out more
It’s tough to motion with our receivers because the only one that could play in the slot was Crowder
Anderson and Thomas can only play outside
Wasn't Thomas pretty good in the slot back in his heyday
Wasn't Thomas pretty good in the slot back in his heyday
You’re thinking of Wes Welker
He had suffered a shoulder injury during the 2017 season, but then-coach Adam Gase (now with the Jets) said the the team planned to bring him back. But after Williams had surgery, Gase wouldn’t take his calls.
“That really hurt,” Williams said. “I was there four years and gave Miami my all. I still have not spoken to him to this day. That hurt me because me and Gase were cool.”
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/29/adam-gase-regrets-freezing-out-damien-williams-in-miami/amp/?__twitter_impression=trueIt’s the oline’s fault
He hasn't changed a bit.
It’s the oline’s fault
I don't understand the whole "I don't interact with injured players" thing that Adam Gase does.Devil's advocate, maybe he feels that it's a waste of time to focus any energy or time on anyone who can't help that week in the game plan. I don't understand how it would be that hard to speak to an injured player periodically to touch base, but he's wired a bit different.
Maybe they are in different places getting treatment, but he should still touch base with them.
That's my biggest concern about him as a head coach.
I don't understand the whole "I don't interact with injured players" thing that Adam Gase does.
Maybe they are in different places getting treatment, but he should still touch base with them.
That's my biggest concern about him as a head coach.
So really, other than the anti-Gase side nitpicking everything, you actually have the same core problem as us. His social/leadership skills seem to suck.
You can make valid arguments that the offensive production was or wasn't his fault this season. You can hold his past years against him or not with equal validity.
But the way he treats people sucks and there really isn't a way to defend it. And that's a central part of the job of head coach of an NFL team.
I can agree with this. To me it still comes down to wins and losses in the end, and 7-9 in one season here isn't enough to tell us it's definitely gong to work out or it's definitely not.
If wins and losses is your bottom line, why do you keep pining for Rex Ryan? His career win/loss record as a HC is 61-66...that's .480 win percentage.
Gase is .438 with the Jets and .455 for his career and Seafood's happy with that, maybe he just has really low standards.
If wins and losses is your bottom line, why do you keep pining for Rex Ryan? His career win/loss record as a HC is 61-66...that's .480 win percentage.
Because Rex was 24-14 in his first two seasons, which tells you he can win with a decent team, and win in the playoffs and on the road in the playoffs. That's a lot different than going 7-9 for six years. We've had this conversation already, obviously nothing soaked through that brick wall.
Except his head coaching tenure lasted 8 years. Nobody gives a excrement about a small sample size like 2 years....well except for you.
It's a terrible, confirmation-bias masturbation point. He helped put together the crappy teams that cause his winning percentage to become what it was. Just freaking stop.
He proved he could win, and win high level games. If he couldn't win we'd never have gone 24-14 over any two seasons, never have gone to consecutive Championship Games. One year could be a fluke, two in a row is not.
It's a terrible, confirmation-bias masturbation point. He helped put together the crappy teams that cause his winning percentage to become what it was. Just freaking stop.
His job was to coach the team, which he proved he could do. Nobody said he was flawless and he wasn't the GM. Get players and he can win, the problem wasn't the coach. How many more inferior coaches do we need to hire until you guys get that? You probably never will if you haven't by now.
You guys seriously think I'm going to do this for eight months? You can't justify firing the guy you want to fire because he finished 7-9 so now you want to go back and debate Rex again? If you can't figure out the difference by now that's on you.
Keep jerking each other off and firing coaches on your message board all year, sounds like a good time. Gase isn't going anywhere so complain about Rex, last guy to get you to the playoffs. Or fire your hockey coaches, whatever. See ya.
I understand why jets fans don't like Gase as he's done a pretty shitty job.
I can't understand why they like sucking on Manishes dick so much though.
Williams credited Gase with making him a more complete running back, which he said has helped him in Andy Reid’s offense.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/01/adam-gases-former-players-tell-jets-fans-to-just-relax/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200202/b25acadd6cb74807f27d529d93122b43.jpg)
But I thought all players hated Gase
https://nypost.com/2020/02/01/adam-gases-former-players-tell-jets-fans-to-just-relax/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
But I thought all players hated Gase
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/10/antonio-cromartie-adam-gase-eric-bieniemy/
He should stick to what he knows, accidenrally impregnating women.Fyp
“You couldn’t make a stinkface enough that Le’Veon Bell was on the roster as Gase could. Instead of trying to work [Bell] into the system, or really integrate the offense around him, [Gase] tried to demonstrate how useless this player was.” - Mike Tanier
“The big problem is [Gase's] inability to be satisfied with the roster he’s given, and always be looking for something these guys don’t have. Even when they are top of the line players. ..This is an offense to keep the game close at best, not WIN it”
“Sam Darnold and all those guys are healthy, and it’s still this check down based offense. This is a personnel model that tends to alienate some of the top players. So you see all of these big negatives, but it's the same sort of mentality as the [Gase’s] last 3 years in Miami.”
Q: Have you seen a lot of of Gase’s issues that were transparent in Miami simply carry over to the Jets franchise?
Mike Tanier: 100%
freaking gay Turn on the Jets podcast
Writes for Football Outsiders, the New York Times and Bleacher Report, but if he says nasty things about Our Lord Adam he is to be summarily dismissed as a know nothing fool.
The moment he agreed to be interviewed by Caporoso, he became a gigantic queynte
Adam Gase approved this message.You dick.
You dick.
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Graham Barfield @GrahamBarfieldOffensive genius.
Adam Gase's offensive resume without Peyton Manning:
Yards per game rank
2015 - CHI (21st)
2016 - MIA (24th)
2017 - MIA (25th)
2018 - MIA (31st)
2019 - NYJ (32nd)
Points per game rank
2015 - CHI (23rd)
2016 - MIA (17th)
2017 - MIA (28th)
2018 - MIA (26th)
2019 - NYJ (31st)
Offensive genius.
He is, he's just been let down by Luke Falk and Brian Winters every single year.
say what you want about gase but it took his autistic connivery to get that loser maccagnan out of here and now we have JD, who's been a breath of fresh air so far with his free agent/acquisition approach, the messages about team building that he communicates, etc.Now we need Big Doug to pull the heel turn and send Gase down the river.
we all have very good feelings about douglas right now and he wouldn't be here if it wasn't for gase. for all of his shortcomings one day we may say that gase's appointment here was absolutely necessary if only for the fact that we got a guy like douglas out of it
say what you want about gase but it took his autistic connivery to get that loser maccagnan out of here and now we have JD, who's been a breath of fresh air so far with his free agent/acquisition approach, the messages about team building that he communicates, etc.
Has he? I feel like you all do this every time, get all excited about the new guy because he's not the old guy before he's demonstrated anything of actual value.I agree but I like what he’s done these last few months.
I'm as hopeful as anyone that he is the next Ozzie Newsome, but so far the most notable things that Douglas has done are:
- sign Ryan Kalil
- sign a bunch of second tier free agents ranging from McGovern (looks like a very tidy deal for a relatively decent player) to Fant (sounds like a lot of money for a swing tackle and jumbo TE)
- draft the guy that pretty much every single poster on this board who wouldn't have picked Wirfs would have drafted
You all did this with Idzik as well. Let's just wait and see whether he actually produces anything good, shall we?
I agree but I like what he’s done these last few months.
I have no problem with him but he hasn't actually done anything yet that impacts the field. I'm just saying we should hold off anointing him given he might spend the next two days drafting cunts.freak off I’m sculpting his bronze bust for Canton
I have no problem with him but he hasn't actually done anything yet that impacts the field. I'm just saying we should hold off anointing him given he might spend the next two days drafting cunts.JE, we're Jets fans.
JE, we're Jets fans.
All coaches (except Gase) are amazing Year 1 and awful by Year 4.
All GMs are amazing Year 1 and awful by Year 4.
Douglas seems like a good GM, but he has not proven anything yet. But I'm fine giving him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
I'd apologise for being objective but it would be a lie. I really want Douglas to be different but I'd rather celebrate when I know he is than regret it when I find out he isn't.You anointed him “Big Doug” yesterday
You anointed him “Big Doug” yesterday
So you’re too late...no turning back now
I hate to say it but my I have to agree with the guy that has orange crocs.Post malone?
Post malone?
Post malone?
https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/why-the-pressures-now-on-jets-coach-adam-gase-after-the-2020-nfl-draft/313342694I think everyone would be in agreement there. If this team underperforms especially on offense this year Gase is gone. Our sights should be set on a wildcard berth, I don’t think that’s unreasonable.
This is essentially where every jets fan should be at starting next season.
Looks like we hired the wrong Gase
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Has he? I feel like you all do this every time, get all excited about the new guy because he's not the old guy before he's demonstrated anything of actual value.
I'm as hopeful as anyone that he is the next Ozzie Newsome, but so far the most notable things that Douglas has done are:
- sign Ryan Kalil
- sign a bunch of second tier free agents ranging from McGovern (looks like a very tidy deal for a relatively decent player) to Fant (sounds like a lot of money for a swing tackle and jumbo TE)
- draft the guy that pretty much every single poster on this board who wouldn't have picked Wirfs would have drafted
You all did this with Idzik as well. Let's just wait and see whether he actually produces anything good, shall we?
i can solve a rubiks cube and i have no business being anywhere near an NFL head coaching gig haha. but good for that kid, he was having fun. there was a point where he was trying to get his dad's attention while the camera was on them and gase completely ignored him the entire time. i understand that gase's head was probably deep in the goings-on of the team, but he's such a fuckin autist
I think everyone would be in agreement there. If this team underperforms especially on offense this year Gase is gone. Our sights should be set on a wildcard berth, I don’t think that’s unreasonable.I've said it before and I'll say it again. I dont care what the jets record is this year. The only thing that should determine whether gase keeps his job is how good darnold plays and how good this offense is.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I dont care what the jets record is this year. The only thing that should determine whether gase keeps his job is how good darnold plays and how good this offense is.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I dont care what the jets record is this year. The only thing that should determine whether gase keeps his job is how good darnold plays and how good this offense is.
He's the head coach. Everything should be taken into account.
If Darnold takes the next step and throws for 30 TDs but the team is still losing a lot of football games, a change should be considered.
The one thing Gase deserves credit for is Greg Williams. We bitched and moaned that Rex and Bowles never bothered to hire a real OC. Well Gase did his job hiring a legitimate (and apparently quite elite) coordinator on the opposite side of the ball, and frankly it’s almost certain that it saved Gase’s job. If he had hired Loggains equivalent on the defensive side of the ball, we would have gone 3-13.
Pretty sure that Gase was told he was getting Williams as his DC, he didn't choose him.
It was his call. He hired his entire staff.
It also bears pointing out, that even if Gase develops Sam as a player, that does NOT preclude any other coach from bringing Sam along as well as the rest of the team. I was of the mindset we never should have hired him, and we should have fired him at the end of the year. I think Sam needs more help than what Gase’s atrocious scheme last year provided.
Williams had been targeted by Johnson and MacCagnan early in the hiring process but Gase agreed to it.
Might not have been his idea but he was on board with the hiring.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I dont care what the jets record is this year. The only thing that should determine whether gase keeps his job is how good darnold plays and how good this offense is.
FWIW, any Jets fan who is rooting for Gase to fail and get fired needs a swift kick in the nuts.
Bollocks. I don't believe that there's any way he will be successful as a head coach, here or anywhere else, so I don't want to see him taking a long time to prove it. I'd much rather he completed his failure quickly so we can get on with actually hiring someone suited to the job, so in that sense I'm absolutely rooting for him to fail because it's by far our best chance of the team succeeding.
Put your cup on.
I dislike like Gase as much as the next guy, but in no way am I ever going to root for him or my team to fail. I could never get on board with that mentality.
No disrespect, but believing that you know more about Gase than the man in charge, Joe Douglas, is wildly arrogant. Just my $.02.
No disrespect, but believing that you know more about Gase than the man in charge, Joe Douglas, is wildly arrogant. Just my $.02.
Well if it weren't for our collective delusional arrogance then we wouldn't have much of a message board, would we.
What is sports fandom without the Dunning-Kruger effect?
Well if it weren't for our collective delusional arrogance then we wouldn't have much of a message board, would we.
What is sports fandom without the Dunning-Kruger effect?
The record still has to matter. We can't be looking for moral victories, Brady is gone, the division is finally in play like every other division. Yes, we play some good teams, so what? Beat them if you're a good team, at least enough of them to give yourself a chance.My point was more so the reverse.
Well if it weren't for our collective delusional arrogance then we wouldn't have much of a message board, would we.
What is sports fandom without the Dunning-Kruger effect?
You're assuming that Douglas has belief in Gase. The fact that his FAs are almost all one year deals if we want them to be rather suggests that he's not currently building a long term roster in Adam Gase's image.
So we're clear, I'm not rooting for the Jets to fail. I'm rooting for Gase's inability to be a head coach who can win a Super Bowl to be clearly demonstrated as quickly as possible, so that Chris Johnson will wake the freak up and let Joe get on with hiring a head coach who can.
You're assuming that Douglas has belief in Gase. The fact that his FAs are almost all one year deals if we want them to be rather suggests that he's not currently building a long term roster in Adam Gase's image.This is stupid.
This is stupid.
So you think Douglas took the Jets job, knowing he would be hamstrung with a head coach he didn't like for a year and a half? And signing FAs to 1-year deals is your evidence?
Why wouldn't Douglas just wait 8 months and take a job with a better roster and a better ownership situation and a head coach he can pick, rather than wait 20 months? That's insane logic. I get that you don't like Gase, but be rational.
You're right, that is insane logic. How did you manage to extrapolate that from what I wrote?You implied that Douglas doesn't believe in Gase. So I replied how that is stupid logic. Not rocket science.
You implied that Douglas doesn't believe in Gase. So I replied how that is stupid logic. Not rocket science.
That isn't what you said at all. I'm about to go on a conference call, see if you can figure out over the next half hour or so what the rather more rational sequence of events looks like.The most rational sequence of events is...
Personally, I would rather root for our current coach to succeed. There's no guarantee the next coach will succeed, so I'll root for the current coach to succeed, until he proves to me he can't coach. And maybe that next coach will get more than a month of leeway.
You judge Gase based on Darnold and the team success. Last year was a mixed bag, but it was year 1, and he had a ton of injuries, including at the QB position. Once QB got stabilized and Darnold got healthy, the team played decently. Now, the team needs to take a step forward, with Darnold leading the way. If they don't, Gase will be firmly on the hot seat if not fired.
As a head coach, he's 30-35 and has never had an offense ranked higher than 24th overall. What's worse his offense has declined in overall ranking YoY.I would argue that he had no better than 30-34 talent in his career. He's also 20-17 when he has his starting quarterback (and it's not like Ryan Tannehill and 22-year old Sam Darnold are any better than mediocre QBs).
What part of that makes you think that he can coach?
The most rational sequence of events is...
1. Adam Gase got Maccagnan fired.
2. The Jets hired Joe Douglas because he was the best candidate, and because he had a good working relationship with Gase, who was largely in charge at that point.
3. Joe Douglas and Adam Gase are now working together to build the best Jets roster possible. If that fails, then Gase will be the first fall guy since Douglas has a longer leash.
The idea that Douglas doesn't have faith in Gase isn't rational, so please explain it to me. Because that either means:
- He took the job last year, knowing he was stuck with a coach he didn't like
- He took the job last year with trust in Gase, then lost faith in Gase over 8 months, but didn't have enough clout to get him fired.
Neither of those make that much sense. Douglas had all the leverage in April.
- Why would he take a job with a coach he hated?
- Why would he take a job where the ownership would ignore his recommendation to fire a coach?
- Why would he stick with a coach he doesn't believe in?
At least one of those has to be true for your implication to be right.
I would argue that he had no better than 30-34 talent in his career. He's also 20-17 when he has his starting quarterback (and it's not like Ryan Tannehill and 22-year old Sam Darnold are any better than mediocre QBs).
I'm not sold on Gase. I'm not sold that he's a good coach. But I'm judging him mostly on what he's done with the Jets. Year 1 was mediocre. Hopefully, year 2 is better. If not, we'll hire someone else.
I mean Tannehill had an amazing season with TN after he took over for Mariota and was one win away from the SuperBowl.
But ok, let's agree to can his bug eyed derriere when he fails our team this season
Tennessee was successful because of Derrick Henry and their defense.
Tannehill was a game manager for them.
He had better statistical seasons under Gase.
I mean Tannehill had an amazing season with TN after he took over for Mariota and was one win away from the SuperBowl.Statistically, Tannehill was fantastic in the regular season. Definitely won't argue against that. He had a historically great season....in 10 starts.
But ok, let's agree to can his bug eyed derriere when he fails our team this season
Statistically, Tannehill was fantastic in the regular season. Definitely won't argue against that. He had a historically great season....in 10 starts.
Personally, I think it was a little fluky, and I think the Titans agreed, since as soon as they got to the playoffs, they turned him into Mark Sanchez and never let him throw.
Wtf... where did this Douglas hates Gase come from?
Wtf... where did this Douglas hates Gase come from?
You're assuming that Douglas has belief in Gase. The fact that his FAs are almost all one year deals if we want them to be rather suggests that he's not currently building a long term roster in Adam Gase's image.
Not sure what’s worse the Gase argument or the Rex argumentHonestly, I prefer Rex arguments at this point. I think we've had pretty much every conceivable Gase argument over the last 5 months, and I am so sick of it. Plus, the Rex ones are easier to ignore.
Honestly, I prefer Rex arguments at this point. I think we've had pretty much every conceivable Gase argument over the last 5 months, and I am so sick of it. Plus, the Rex ones are easier to ignore.Rex > Gase
Rex > Gase
Who do you think is a better coach?
The combination of Rex and Gase or the combination of Mangini and Bowles?
That should keep us going for 10 more years
Mangini HC / Bowles DC > Rex and Gase in either combination.Agreed.
I think our offense will be hopping this year. More talent signed, a ton coming back from injury. Same offensive and defensive scheme for 2 years in a row for a change. Sam having consistency and making the 3rd year jump.
I'm positive.
The point where I lost all hope in Mangini being a successful coach here was when he thought waving Gholston’s combine numbers was a solid motivational tactic.I don't remember that.
Who do you think is a better coach?
The combination of Rex and Gase or the combination of Mangini and Bowles?
That should keep us going for 10 more years
Agreed.
It's amazing how well Mangini's tenure aged in retrospect.
Granted, if Gase truly is the offensive mind he is billed to be, I could change my mind later, but Gase needs to prove it.
Bowles and Rex as DC's are about the same for me, though obviously Rex is more fun.
Except Rex had historically nasty defenses until the talent dissolved.
Bowles was just horrendous all around.
While Mangini had his excrement together all around the best, I think Bowles was just the worst of the bunch. Gase has another year to determine where he falls in the halls of suckitude
Bowles is a great DC. Built an excellent defense in Arizona which is what got him the Jets HC job, then went to Tampa and immediately turned them into one of the best defenses in the league. Football coaches are not immune to the Peter Principle as we have keenly proven a bunch of times, but it doesn't mean they're not still great coaches. As Heismanberg has said previously, being a head coach is less of a coaching role and more of CEO type of function. It's one of the many knocks I have on Gase, and one of the reasons why his continued failure is highly likely.
Bowles is a great DC. Built an excellent defense in Arizona which is what got him the Jets HC job, then went to Tampa and immediately turned them into one of the best defenses in the league. Football coaches are not immune to the Peter Principle as we have keenly proven a bunch of times, but it doesn't mean they're not still great coaches. As Heismanberg has said previously, being a head coach is less of a coaching role and more of CEO type of function. It's one of the many knocks I have on Gase, and one of the reasons why his continued failure is highly likely.
Regardless Rex was part of all time historic defenses in Baltimore, all time historic defenses with the Jets, and then turned Buffalo into a nasty defense.
Yeah Bowles had some success in Arizona and Tampa on the defensive side of the ball. But Rex unquestionably had far more, and two of Rexs 3 were has HC.
Rex Ryan was a head coach with the Jets and Buffalo.
Who gives a damn how good his defenses were?
He could never, ever field an efficient offense. He failed as a head coach. His reputation is excrement.
Regardless Rex was part of all time historic defenses in Baltimore, all time historic defenses with the Jets, and then turned Buffalo into a nasty defense.
My point wasn't to praise Rex. Rather saying the dude led far better defenses than Bowles, and brought far more to the table that dude
The Buffalo defense under Jim Schwartz was way better, Rex fucked it all up by insisting on trying to make that monstrous defensive line play in a 3-4.
My biggest curiosity with Gase, Darnold, and the Jets offense is this: we had the best offense in the NFL on opening drives last season, and we were atrocious outside of that.Isn't improvising supposed to be a strength of Darnold's?
We've seen other quarterbacks play significantly better on scripted plays. Mitchell Trubisky comes to mind recently. Is Darnold simply significantly better on the plays he practices? Is Gase a great play-caller on scripted plays and bad at adjusting in the game? Is it a fluke based on small sample size?
There were so many games in the second half last season where the game started, we would march down the field, and I would think that THIS would be the game that the offense would break out, and then we would stagnate for the rest of the game.
I also think the OL has a lot to do with it. It's probably easier to scheme away from OL problems early in the game.
Isn't improvising supposed to be a strength of Darnold's?
^ FAKE NEWS ^
- Gase Supporters
At this point, i want to be wrong about Gase...because i'm tired of losing and no playoffs. I just haven't seen anything from Gase that says it's gonna change. He's an elite excuse machine.
I'll gladly eat crow if i'm wrong....but i'm confident i won't be.
I predict he is relieved of his duties after we've lost at home to Miami in the first game post-bye week to fall to 2-9 on the season.
I predict he is relieved of his duties after we've lost at home to Miami in the first game post-bye week to fall to 2-9 on the season.
If that were to happen, I’d rather keep him so he can drive us into the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes since Gase would have clearly broken Darnold
If that were to happen, I’d rather keep him so he can drive us into the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes since Gase would have clearly broken Darnold
matt patricia and josh mcdaniels were part of multiple super bowl titlesAt the time we hired Gase I would rather have gotten McDaniels.
who gives a excrement?
At the time we hired Gase I would rather have gotten McDaniels.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-coaching-hot-seat-2020
100% agree
Dude blows
I agree his seat should be hot, but hottest in the league implies he could be fired early in the season if it doesn’t start well. I just can’t see Gase being fired before the end of the season unless we are something absurd like 0-10.
Replace Gase.
Gase NEEDS this year for evaluation from us IMO.Evaluate Gase’s history with Peyton and without him, that should provide you everything you need to know.
the team deficiencies that hampered the offensive side of the ball this year have, at the very least, been upgraded to 'decent/acceptable', and therefore, barring any injures, he'll have a big influence on anything done on that side of the ball
i can see him flaming out fantastically, i can see him winning a bunch of games and surprising everybody. you can honestly never tell how things will go with high functioning autistics
i can also see coronavirus affecting both of those instances, either by being used as an 'excuse' for all of the losses or explaining us 'fluking' a successful season at the misery and health of other teams. if we get decimated by coronavirus and we lose a ton he may yet survive to a 3rd season here
Evaluate Gase’s history with Peyton and without him, that should provide you everything you need to know.
Tony Dungy never won excrement without Peyton-he must be a horrible head coach.
His Bucs D won a SB after he jumped ship.
So you mean he left and then they immediately won?
I'm just hoping that the team wins under Adam Gase.
If not, then we can look elsewhere.
The team overachieved in 2019, in my opinion. Obviously, we can do a lot better offensively, but we still won more games than I expected. We had a shot at the playoffs with a healthy Darnold.
i'm hoping the same happens when Gase is shown the door.What was that stupid movie with Dane Cook where the women he sleeps with find their soulmate after him?
We had a shot at the playoffs with a healthy Darnold.
What was that stupid movie with Dane Cook where the women he sleeps with find their soulmate after him?
I keep hearing this from people but I don't see how it's true. Sam missed three games: v Cleveland, @ NE and @ Philly.
I keep hearing this from people but I don't see how it's true. Sam missed three games: v Cleveland, @ NE and @ Philly. Let's be generous and say that of those three we'd have beaten Cleveland if Sam had been healthy (although as I recall we spent all night trying to run the ball and got nowhere because we had Abbott and then Costello under center and if we'd had Sam we'd probably have tried to throw more and likely gotten him killed by Garrett). His first game back was week 5 vs Dallas and he lit it up, so it's not like he was still suffering ill effects at that point.Nitpicking, but I think you have to count Buffalo week 1 as a mono casualty too. Darnold played but he was clearly not 100%, he didn't just suddenly fall ill that Sunday night.
We went 7-9 courtesy of the weakest schedule in the league, we lost to the two other worst teams in the league with Sam under center, and we padded our results with wins in the last two weeks vs a decimated Pittsburgh team and the Bills resting all of their starters.
I don't accept that we a) overachieved or b) would have been better with Sam available weeks 2-4. We did well on scripted drives and otherwise looked clueless on offense regardless of personnel on the field, and hung on in some games courtesy of a well coached defense.
Nitpicking, but I think you have to count Buffalo week 1 as a mono casualty too. Darnold played but he was clearly not 100%, he didn't just suddenly fall ill that Sunday night.
Edit: F U, H
I keep hearing this from people but I don't see how it's true. Sam missed three games: v Cleveland, @ NE and @ Philly. Let's be generous and say that of those three we'd have beaten Cleveland if Sam had been healthy (although as I recall we spent all night trying to run the ball and got nowhere because we had Abbott and then Costello under center and if we'd had Sam we'd probably have tried to throw more and likely gotten him killed by Garrett). His first game back was week 5 vs Dallas and he lit it up, so it's not like he was still suffering ill effects at that point.
We went 7-9 courtesy of the weakest schedule in the league, we lost to the two other worst teams in the league with Sam under center, and we padded our results with wins in the last two weeks vs a decimated Pittsburgh team and the Bills resting all of their starters.
I don't accept that we a) overachieved or b) would have been better with Sam available weeks 2-4. We did well on scripted drives and otherwise looked clueless on offense regardless of personnel on the field, and hung on in some games courtesy of a well coached defense.
Yes, and it completely derailed the season.
Sam was also apparently sick during Week 1.
You beat Buffalo Week 1 and win one of the three he missed, you build momentum and the outcome of the season is likely different.
If mono never happened, I don't think it's a reach to say we could've gone 9-7 or 10-6.
Nitpicking, but I think you have to count Buffalo week 1 as a mono casualty too. Darnold played but he was clearly not 100%, he didn't just suddenly fall ill that Sunday night.
Edit: F U, H
Tony Dungy never won excrement without Peyton-he must be a horrible head coach.
One of the most overrated head coaches ever.
Just as a reminder, Miami went 5-11 and beat two playoff teams and a fringe team in the Colts last year. They were bad, but this idea that they were a historically bad team is fiction.
I'm just hoping that the team wins under Adam Gase.I think considering the schedule, they met expectations. Season over/under was 7.5 wins. They won 7 games despite the Darnold illness throwing a major wrench into the start of the season. That combined with the Buffalo collapse basically killed the season before it could even get started.
If not, then we can look elsewhere.
The team overachieved in 2019, in my opinion. Obviously, we can do a lot better offensively, but we still won more games than I expected. We had a shot at the playoffs with a healthy Darnold.
I didn't say they were historically bad, but the first half of the season they were trading everything that wasn't tied down and when we rolled into town with a healthy Sam they were 0-7. We were unprepared and disorganised and incapable of reacting to the team we faced on the day.
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1276544415364857857?s=20
I dont think Gase wants Adams on the team.
Gase wants to replace Adams with another over the hill vet....like Brodney PoolLaRon Landry.....still available.
Pete Best: "Yes, I want John Lennon in the band."
Pete Best: "Yes, I want John Lennon in the band."
If he said "no comment" or "Ask Joe" again, you whiners would be bitching non-stop about how he's tearing the team apart.
The Athletic's Connor Hughes finds it "hard to believe" Adam Gase will get a third year in New York if the Jets finish under .500 this season.
Hughes believes "a healthy Jets team needs to finish, at minimum, 9-7." We would argue health won't be a factor, as even another injury-marred sub-.500 campaign will get Gase sent packing. As Hughes points out, Gase was never afforded a honeymoon period in New York because of the unpopularity of his hiring. Gase also played into the worst aspects of his reputation, feuding with players and displaying little creativity on offense. 2020 has the feel of Gase's last chance to prove himself as an NFL head coach.
it took Darnold marching into Gase’s office for an Xs and Os discussion in the middle of the season to get the Jets rolling on offense
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A second-year quarterback had to be the one to take charge and layout which plays he wanted to run because Gase couldn’t figure out what worked best for his signal-caller and supporting cast.
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/03/bad-news-for-jets-coaching-more-important-than-ever-in-2020-adam-gase-dowell-loggains-gregg-williams/
I don't remember hearing about this?
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/03/bad-news-for-jets-coaching-more-important-than-ever-in-2020-adam-gase-dowell-loggains-gregg-williams/
I don't remember hearing about this?
This was talked about several times throughout the year.
It's what quarterbacks should do.
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/03/bad-news-for-jets-coaching-more-important-than-ever-in-2020-adam-gase-dowell-loggains-gregg-williams/
I don't remember hearing about this?
All the best QBs take control and let their coaches know what they like and do well.
Darnold took a step forward as a player and a leader when he did that.
I don't think he was comfortable doing that early in the year because he always had Josh McCown to sort of lean on in those meetings.
https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1282850511922888709?s=21
https://mobile.twitter.com/fbgchase/status/1286828579540611081
OL's fault
Like 28th. We also sucked, we just sucked harder without Darnold.
If Sam misses significant time this year, there’s a legitimate shot we have a bottom 3 offense in the league again and are picking top 5. Now that the defense is undoubtedly weaker, we really need Sam to stay healthy and make big strides forwardsAnd in that case, Trevor Lawrence might be a Jet.
And in that case, Trevor Lawrence might be a Jet.
Trevor Lawrence or Trey Lance
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Even if Sam steps up in 2020, I think it'll be tough for us to get more than seven wins.
That would put us in position to grab some weapons like Tamorrion Terry or one of the Alabama receivers.
While it's extremely unlikely to happen, it would be amazing is Seattle was horrible in 2020. Their division is loaded.
While it's extremely unlikely to happen, it would be amazing is Seattle was horrible in 2020. Their division is loaded.That division is loaded, and they have a tricky schedule.
Two firsts and two thirds next year
Two firsts in 2022
Gonna be fun to watch Joe Douglas put his team together
As soon as we started entertaining trading Jamal, I knew that was the start of talking about replacing Sam. This team is a flat circle.If Sam plays like we all think he can, he will be our long-term quarterback. If he doesn't, then we have decisions to make.
If Sam plays like we all think he can, he will be our long-term quarterback. If he doesn't, then we have decisions to make.
Darron Lee chimes in?
https://twitter.com/DLeeMG8/status/1287185784982904839
If Sam plays like we all think he can, he will be our long-term quarterback. If he doesn't, then we have decisions to make.
If the Jets are in the position to draft Trevor Lawrence, it's because Sam Darnold either sucked or got severely injured which means you take Lawrence 10 times out of 10.
I'd rather do what the Rams did to the Redskins that helped them get to the big dance.
If Darnold struggles/fails its because the pieces around him were excrement. Why bring in another guy with the same pieces of excrement. When you can get 3 +1st and buiid from the trenches
What was Bowles right about? I don't get it.
Supposedly Bowles last text to Darron Lee before he got fired was "watch your back"Bowles is a skidmark
LMAO
Bowles is a skidmark
Supposedly Bowles last text to Darron Lee before he got fired was "watch your back"
LMAO
That's an odd time to point that out Darron, you were traded a year ago, oh and won a ring, so things worked out well for you.
Jets RB Le'Veon Bell addressed his scrutinized relationship with Adam Gase, telling reporters on a zoom call: "I love Coach Gase. I don't understand the allegations about me and Coach Gase ... I think he's a good leader for us. I think he can get it done." Bell said Gase is "chill," describing him as more analytical than fiery.
hmmTowing the company line
Towing the company line
Chinese hoax.Don’t make me bump the Smunt thread
RIP Herman Cain.
Towing the company line
ToeingShaddup
hmm
Gonna open a can of worms hereThere are a ton of excuses this year, but if the offense doesn't take a step forward, you cant bring him back.
But you have to think there's a real possibility if not probability that a fucked up season d/t covid could dramatically increase the chances Gase gets another season here
All kinds of excuses are built right in. We traded Jamal, we brought in too many new players who never got to practice, etc etc
There are a ton of excuses this year, but if the offense doesn't take a step forward, you cant bring him back.
There are a ton of excuses this year, but if the offense doesn't take a step forward, you cant bring him back.How soon can I restart the Gary Kubiak fan club?
How soon can I restart the Gary Kubiak fan club?
Right after the Harbaugh and Bienemy camps are setupI'm off Crazy Jim after the last couple of seasons and I was never into Bieniemy. Don't want another rookie.
I'm off Crazy Jim after the last couple of seasons and I was never into Bieniemy. Don't want another rookie.
Kubes is the guy.
Correct me if I'm wrong
I'd take Lincoln Riley or PJ Fleck over Eric BieniemyRyan Day and Matt Campbell are interesting, too.
Ryan Day and Matt Campbell are interesting, too.
And if we want to combine college coaches AND health issues, we could go the Urban Meyer route (note: I don't want that).
Ryan Day is awesome.
He just looks like a ventriloquist's dummy and I don't want to see that on the sidelines every Sunday.
Ryan Day is awesome.
He just looks like a ventriloquist's dummy and I don't want to see that on the sidelines every Sunday.
https://twitter.com/rotohack/status/1293570197098381312?s=21If the offense is better, I think it will be faster paced. Hard to be fast-paced when the offense is consistently in bad situations. 16th last year isn't bad.
If the offense is better, I think it will be faster paced. Hard to be fast-paced when the offense is consistently in bad situations. 16th last year isn't bad.
Plus, you only really want more plays if your team is really good. That wasn't us.
https://twitter.com/rotohack/status/1293570197098381312?s=21I don't understand why 2019 is such an anomaly in the right direction.
I don't understand why 2019 is such an anomaly in the right direction.
Riley
ShitFleck
Day
Bieniemy
Campbell
I'll take any one of them. Just get rid of Gase.
Name one current head coach in the NFL you would take Gase over...
Bill O'Brien
Matt Patricia
Zac Taylor
Vic Fangio
Matt Lafleur
Mike McCarthy
Dan Quinn
Matt Nagy
Doug Marrone
Joe Judge
These are the guys I wouldn't take over Adam Gase.
Stefanski and Rhule are both toss ups too.
This list reminds me that there are some really excrement coaches in this league. The only one on your list I disagree with is Lafluer and that’s really because he just won 13 games, and frankly that was a mirage and expect it to fall apart in the next 24 months.Wtf the packers won 13 games last season?!?! Judging by the media you would think they were a .500 team
Bill O'Brien
Matt Patricia
Zac Taylor
Vic Fangio
Matt Lafleur
Mike McCarthy
Dan Quinn
Matt Nagy
Doug Marrone
Joe Judge
These are the guys I wouldn't take over Adam Gase.
Stefanski and Rhule are both toss ups too.
So Gase is in the bottom third...but at the top of the list.
Looking at that list, there are a whole bunch of shitty derriere coaches.
I think that’s important to remember, fans get so focused on their own squad they develop tunnel vision around their franchise.
While our coaching situation isn’t good, it’s not like I’d be game to fire Gase tomorrow to bring in any of those guys. I want Gase out because I think he’s not the answer and as such bringing in someone else is the right way to go, but I’m not exactly lining up to take any of those guys
I enjoy Gase's personality. Now we need results.How about injuries instead?
https://twitter.com/takeflightunitd/status/1296713799370788865?s=20
https://twitter.com/takeflightunitd/status/1296714214304882689?s=20
https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1300968825333129217?s=21
Does this clown know the team has 23 names on the injury report?
What if I told you over half of those guys are still practicing?
Several are also back today.
Cager and Mims are both doing positional drills.
Since the season is merely days away, I had a fleeting moment of optimism and thought what if Gase wasn't an unmitigated disaster?
So to all the Gase haters...tell me the type of season we'd have to have in order for you to give Gase another season?
Since the season is merely days away, I had a fleeting moment of optimism and thought what if Gase wasn't an unmitigated disaster?
So to all the Gase haters...tell me the type of season we'd have to have in order for you to give Gase another season?
Top 12 offense
I like this from Gase. Admitting the offense was atrocious last year.
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1304086686750699520
A total of 42 players were listed w/ hamstring related injuries on Wk1 injury reports
CB’s and WR’s make up almost 43% of the reported hamstring injuries
The high volume of soft tissue injuries seen in week 1 can be largely attributed to the lack of preseason & shortened camp
Tanny:
Gase loves his hammys
“Adam Gase says today's offensive flop was "night and day" compared to last year's issues.
"It felt completely different" than last year.”
Gase needs to go, which has been my opinion since he has been hired.Pretty much this, I didn't want him in the first place and he hasn't done enough to change my mind on that. From Geno to Gase, same energy.
Pretty much this, I didn't want him in the first place and he hasn't done enough to change my mind on that. From Geno to Gase, same energy.
You'll have to be more specific with SBTG once Gase is fired.I refuse to be more specific.
I refuse to be more specific.SBTGeggggggggggg
I can not deal with:The 2nd and 10 runs drive me nuts. The 3rd and long screens are fine in moderation, but we use them way too much. It did lead to our one exciting play (the Crowder TD), but that was about it.
2nd and 10 runs
3rd and long screens (down 21-0)
Let's never, ever hire anyone ever again who has a name beginning with G.So no Gegg or Gainz as the interim coach
So no Gegg or Gainz as the interim coachGelichick
I'm convinced that we'll cut Bell and he'll have a "resurgent" season.
I'm convinced that we'll cut Bell and he'll have a "resurgent" season.
Let's never, ever hire anyone ever again who has a name beginning with G.Trevor Lawrence and Eric Bienemy have zero Gs in their names
So no Gegg or Gainz as the interim coach
Trevor Lawrence and Eric Bienemy have zero Gs in their names
Manish MehtaIt felt the same as a fan, but last year, I felt Darnold didn't have a chance half the time with the OL. Today, I thought he had some chances and missed throws (and the receivers didn't help).
@MMehtaNYDN
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Adam Gase on offensive struggles today vs struggles last year:
"It's completely different. This year it was… we either had a guy open & we missed him. We had a guy open, we dropped it. We had a couple miscues in the run game."
He takes no accountability.
It felt the same as a fan, but last year, I felt Darnold didn't have a chance half the time with the OL. Today, I thought he had some chances and missed throws (and the receivers didn't help).Maybe the surprise of having an extra 1/2 second was too much for him to handle.
Idk I felt like he was flushed from the pocket on at least half of his throws, and the the other half the pocket damn near collapsed around him. The juxtaposition between Allen vs Darnold’s time in the pocket was really freaking apparent.
it felt at times like they knew exactly what we were gonna do and to stack that side
Matt Rhule's Panthers put up 30 pts in his NFL debut (albeit a loss, but at least they were in it until the end) with Teddy freaking Bridgewater as his starter.
But hey, let's not let him hire his own OC.
rollingeyesonmyface.bmp
Matt Rhule's Panthers put up 30 pts in his NFL debut (albeit a loss, but at least they were in it until the end) with Teddy freaking Bridgewater as his starter.The Panthers are better at literally every single offensive group than the Jets, and they lost at home to the Raiders, a team we throttled last year. Robby Anderson is their 3rd or 4th option. He's been our #1 option for years.
But hey, let's not let him hire his own OC.
rollingeyesonmyface.bmp
The Panthers are better at literally every single offensive group than the Jets, and they lost at home to the Raiders, a team we throttled last year. Robby Anderson is their 3rd or 4th option. He's been our #1 option for years.
I would rather have Matt Rhule/Joe Brady than Adam Gase/Dowell Loggains, but Rhule has done absolutely nothing yet. And Rhule wasn't hiring Joe Brady last year.
You're missing the point. Rhule can formulate a game plan with a below average QB and put up points while Gase scratches his nuts on the sideline.https://www.espn.com/nfl/game?gameId=401127924
https://www.espn.com/nfl/game?gameId=401127924
The Jets play Las Vegas later in the year.....let's compare apples to apples.Okay, if we're comparing apples to apples, we probably shouldn't compare the Jets skill position players to the Panthers skill position players, but you do you.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/game?gameId=401127924
I'm glad the offense with Christian McCaffrey, D.J. Moore and Robby Anderson almost scored as many points against the Raiders as the offense with Robby Anderson, Braxton Berrios and Vyncint Smith did last year.
Okay, if we're comparing apples to apples, we probably shouldn't compare the Jets skill position players to the Panthers skill position players, but you do you.
you talk like our WRs have never played the game before. Weren't you sucking Perriman's dick earlier in the year?I mean, I've argued in threads for a while that I wanted to get more skill players around Darnold than we did, but continue to argue against someone that doesn't exist. Please show me one person who ever wanted to extend Gase.
I love how all the Gase supporters are non existent after that embarrassing performance.
But who was supporting Gase?Wyatt
I mean, I've argued in threads for a while that I wanted to get more skill players around Darnold than we did, but continue to argue against someone that doesn't exist. Please show me one person who ever wanted to extend Gase.
I did like the Perriman signing. At the time, he was the best available WR. I still feel that way. I would have brought back Anderson over Perriman for continuity reasons, but they're similar receivers.
Perriman always had a wider range of outcomes than Anderson. Perriman could be a 1,000-yard receiver. Or he could battle injuries all year and disappoint. Anderson is what he is IMO, but that's still useful.
I wanted to draft two receivers in the first 3-4 rounds. I'm still annoyed we didn't. The Bills were playing a guy at WR today that we took James Morgan over.
Matt Rhule greatly fucked over any chance at coming back with poor game management on their last drive.Yes, but losing at home to the Raiders clearly makes him a great coach.
Matt Rhule greatly fucked over any chance at coming back with poor game management on their last drive.
Yes, but losing at home to the Raiders clearly makes him a great coach.
At least he and his team showed up. Gase looked at his playcalling sheet like it was a rubix cube.
I'll take Rhule over Gase any day of the week. Hell, i'm starting to miss Rex for christ sakes.
At least Rex played with Bravado and instilled some confidence in us.
I haven't been confident about a football game in a long time.
Matt Rhule greatly fucked over any chance at coming back with poor game management on their last drive.
The Jets last year lost to a pair of winless teams (MIA & Cin) and their 6-2 weak schedule finish was misleading. They were gifted a win vs. MIA on a very questionable PI call on 4th down while Buffalo sat their starters. That very well could've been a 4-4 finish and a 5-11 record. And after today (and this schedule) 7-9? Doubt it.
Matt Rhule scored more than 1 touchdown today
freak this guy.
This game was terrible. I don’t care if he gets blamed for excrement that isn’t his fault. freak him.
This game was terrible. I don’t care if he gets blamed for excrement that isn’t his fault. freak him.
I can not deal with:
2nd and 10 runs
3rd and long screens (down 21-0 To play for a FG)
How did I forget the freaking penalties
How did I forget the freaking penalties
https://twitter.com/gregarmstrong_/status/1305508843707863041?s=21
Dad missed Thanksgiving for this?
Point of note: it's not a screen pass if there's no freaking screen. One out of position and outnumbered blocker does not a screen make. No one is making the slightest bit of effort to swing outside. That's literally just a terrible play call that should have been changed at the LOS as soon as Sam saw that there was no chance of it succeeding.
One of three things is happening here:
- Sam isn't reading the defense correctly and doesn't realise it's not going to work
- Sam is reading the defense correctly but has been instructed to run the play he's given and not given the authority to audible
- Sam is reading the defense correctly and is allowed to audible but decides to run the play anyway because he hates Perriman, Gase and everything about his life right now
https://twitter.com/mmehtanydn/status/1305517969561325568?s=21
Gase says, based on Buffalo defenses, there are no calls he regrets. #jets
Cimini (https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1305569149792456704?s=21)
Seriously?
Other presser highlights:
Most defensive issues were tackling, not mental mistakes
Other presser highlights:
No timeline for Bell or Cashman
Most defensive issues were tackling, not mental mistakes
“I just have to get [Darnold] in rhythm earlier in the game.”
I agree with the defensive issues for the most part. Obviously, we lack a pass rush but we missed Allen on several shots in the backfield that led to big plays or first down conversions.
Maye hinted at the same issues. They knew what was going on, but because he extended plays with his legs, the coverage broke down. Only so much you can do at that point...
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With the rhythm thing stuff...yikes. I guess we're going to see even more screens against SF.
I agree with the defensive issues for the most part. Obviously, we lack a pass rush but we missed Allen on several shots in the backfield that led to big plays or first down conversions.
Maye hinted at the same issues. They knew what was going on, but because he extended plays with his legs, the coverage broke down. Only so much you can do at that point...
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With the rhythm thing stuff...yikes. I guess we're going to see even more screens against SF.
Joey Bosa is going to kill at least 3 of our players Sunday.
We're playing Nick Bosa. He will only look to kill the libs.Darnold's from the OC, so we're probably safe.
Darnold's from the OC, so we're probably safe.
It was brought up on Twitter and something I never even think about, but it's likely critical to the future of this team.
They don't have a QBs coach. While Gase is busy wondering why none of his playcalls work and Loggains is busy doing whatever-the-freak it is he does all game, no one is coaching up Sam and fixing his mistakes in-game.
Adam Gase is ruining the one thing Maccagnan did right with this team. And unfortunately, firing him in-season won't do any good. Who are you going to promote to OC?
It was brought up on Twitter and something I never even think about, but it's likely critical to the future of this team.
They don't have a QBs coach. While Gase is busy wondering why none of his playcalls work and Loggains is busy doing whatever-the-freak it is he does all game, no one is coaching up Sam and fixing his mistakes in-game.
Adam Gase is ruining the one thing Maccagnan did right with this team. And unfortunately, firing him in-season won't do any good. Who are you going to promote to OC?
ya i realized that after i posted and couldnt remember his name
It was brought up on Twitter and something I never even think about, but it's likely critical to the future of this team.
They don't have a QBs coach. While Gase is busy wondering why none of his playcalls work and Loggains is busy doing whatever-the-freak it is he does all game, no one is coaching up Sam and fixing his mistakes in-game.
Adam Gase is ruining the one thing Maccagnan did right with this team. And unfortunately, firing him in-season won't do any good. Who are you going to promote to OC?
It was brought up on Twitter and something I never even think about, but it's likely critical to the future of this team.
They don't have a QBs coach. While Gase is busy wondering why none of his playcalls work and Loggains is busy doing whatever-the-freak it is he does all game, no one is coaching up Sam and fixing his mistakes in-game.
Adam Gase is ruining the one thing Maccagnan did right with this team. And unfortunately, firing him in-season won't do any good. Who are you going to promote to OC?
I thought this was supposed to be Flacco’s role.
The mentor backup scheme needs to go.
Loggains is the QB coach. And while NYJ fans seem to think all he's doing is throwing the challenge flag, he's usually near Sam on the sidelines if you look closely.
Just because he isn't a good coach doesn't mean he's not coaching.
I hate this kind of speculation. It's useless.
Loggains has one of the worst track records in the league. Great hire for our franchise QB.
Where did I say it was a good hire?
He clearly isn't very good. But for morons on Twitter to say we don't have a QB coach...? That's ridiculous.
Adam Gase is ruining the one thing Maccagnan did right with this team. And unfortunately, firing him in-season won't do any good. Who are you going to promote to OC?
I'm convinced he fucked up Sam's footwork.
This is purely speculation, which is fine because it's all fans can do. But it's really unfounded.
What's factual is that Gase and Loggains haven't done anything to make Sam Darnold any better.
I really think it's hilarious that there are people claiming Jeremy Bates fixed things. He told him to put two hands on the football. That's it.
This is purely speculation, which is fine because it's all fans can do. But it's really unfounded.
What's factual is that Gase and Loggains haven't done anything to make Sam Darnold any better.
I really think it's hilarious that there are people claiming Jeremy Bates fixed things. He told him to put two hands on the football. That's it.
I don't understand how it took until Jeremy Bates for Darnold to get that.
Vegas currently has Gase as third favourite to be the first coach fired this season, behind Patricia and Marrone.
We'll probably hire Patricia.
I’m going to keep pounding the David Shaw drum, knowing that it is probably a bad call.
His time has come and gone. Same with Matt Campbell.
His time has come and gone. Same with Matt Campbell.
I think the Jets’ ability to scout potential head coaches is not up to par. Hopefully Douglas is better than MacCagnan. Who was our Rooney Rule candidate?
I think the Jets’ ability to scout potential head coaches is not up to par. Hopefully Douglas is better than MacCagnan. Who was our Rooney Rule candidate?
I think the Jets’ ability to scout potential head coaches is not up to par. Hopefully Douglas is better than MacCagnan. Who was our Rooney Rule candidate? Caldwell?
Bienemy
For some reason I don’t remember the Jets actually interviewing him. Maybe the second time will be the charm.
Yeah, everyone other team in the NFL was lined up to hire him too.
I just hope we don't hire a retread.
What I want to know is who decided Matt Rhule couldn’t hire his own assistants
Prob that retard Maccagnan
What I want to know is who decided Matt Rhule couldn’t hire his own assistants
Prob that retard Maccagnan
It was Mike Maccagnan.
He wanted Rhule to hire Todd Monken as his OC.
It was Mike Maccagnan.
He wanted Rhule to hire Todd Monken as his OC.
Maccagnan is worse than John Idzik. All Idzik did was pee away a draft with a ton of picks. Maccagnan spent all the money that Idzik got back for the team and drafted horribly on top of that.
He also hired Adam Gase.
Karma kicked Duff right in the dick after that decision.
I knew he was garbage after the team's social media page posted a pic of him in his office and his desk was littered with old, crusty coffee cups. At least 20 Dunkin Donuts cups. You know that office had to smell like moldy derriere.
There's no way that fat bumbling hoarder had any idea what he was doing.
I’m going to keep pounding the David Shaw drum, knowing that it is probably a bad call.David Shaw is somehow more conservative than Todd Bowles. I'd rather have Matt Patricia (not that I want him at all).
I agree with the defensive issues for the most part. Obviously, we lack a pass rush but we missed Allen on several shots in the backfield that led to big plays or first down conversions.
Maye hinted at the same issues. They knew what was going on, but because he extended plays with his legs, the coverage broke down. Only so much you can do at that point...
I think it will be difficult for Gase to keep the locker room if this trend continues.
I have to believe that the defensive units are pretty fucked off with the offense never giving them a chance to catch their breath. They certainly had their own challenges yesterday, but playing 40+ minutes is not going to make them happy.Obviously, the defense has been better than the offense, but I'm not giving the defense any excuses for this (not saying you necessarily are).
Actually, that gives me an idea. Maybe we should start structuring offensive player contracts based upon time on the field, then let's see how often they go 3 and out.
Loggains is the QB coach. And while NYJ fans seem to think all he's doing is throwing the challenge flag, he's usually near Sam on the sidelines if you look closely.
Just because he isn't a good coach doesn't mean he's not coaching.
I hate this kind of speculation. It's useless.
Without him having the title, I guess it's a social media point to make.
Shouldn't someone be sitting with him and a tablet going over the previous series and what he could have handled/seen better?
Not sure I’m reading this correctly, but Loggains is listed on the team website as the QBs coach.
Both Gase and Loggains do that all the time during games
How did I forget the freaking penalties
I will say this. As you guys know, my children are grown up now. And if I’m fortunate enough that one of them has a son or a daughter who decides they want to play football, and their in fifth grade and they get their first opportunity to play football, I wouldn’t hire to Adam Gase to coach that team, because he would be in over his head.
Adam Gase is the problem with the Jets. They should have fired him last year. It is ridiculous that we are now wasting another season with this guy, who anyone who has ever watched football can see, cannot coach this team. The players hate him. They don’t respond to him at all. And let me tell you something. Peyton Manning has put a lot of people’s kids through private school. Right? Keyshawn knows what I’m talking about when I say that. Adam Gase is at the top of that list.
Here is where Adam Gase’s offenses have ranked in total points scored when anyone besides Peyton Manning is the quarterback: 23rd in the league, 17th, 28th, 26th, 31st and now this disaster of an offense (Sunday).
Sam Darnold came into the league with all of the talent and promise in the world, and he is literally moving backwards. You could see it (Monday). He is regressing horribly. He isn’t getting better. He’s getting worse. Their best receiver had a huge day... Unfortunately he did it for the Carolina Panthers. Their best player was all over the field knocking people senseless... Unfortunately he did it for the Seattle Seahawks. So that was about as disheartening a day as you could possibly have. I don’t care how bad anyone else looked. The Jets were the worst team in the NFL and I don’t think it was close.
https://twitter.com/KeyJayandZ/status/1305469421192966145?s=20
Mike Greenberg on his ESPN show. And he is spot on.
Warm the Bench calls for Gase's firing (https://warmthebench.com/it-is-never-too-early-to-fire-adam-gase/)
Nothing there we didn't know, but a comprehensively made argument all the same. I wonder if there is anyone left who doesn't want to see the back of Gase at this stage.
Nothing there we didn't know, but a comprehensively made argument all the same. I wonder if there is anyone left who doesn't want to see the back of Gase at this stage.
I think there are some on this board that still believe in GaseI don't think anyone really believes in Gase, we just disagree with how much of the blame he deserves.
I don't think anyone really believes in Gase, we just disagree with how much of the blame he deserves.
Mike Greenberg on his ESPN show. And he is spot on.
When was the last time Gase had darnold throw a slant?
I honestly can't remember any of our receivers running slants. Its all crossing and combination routes.
I don't understand why Gase hasn't simplified this offense especially with a shortened offseason.
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Christopher Johnson finished a 16-minute session with reporters. Main takeaways: “Full confidence” in Gase. Calls him a “brilliant” offensive mind. #Jets
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#Jets CEO Christopher Johnson on his stance on in-season coaching changes: "I have complete confidence in Adam here. I’m really not going to deal with any hypotheticals with Adam or anyone else’s employment.”
When was the last time Gase had darnold throw a slant?
I honestly can't remember any of our receivers running slants. Its all crossing and combination routes.
I don't understand why Gase hasn't simplified this offense especially with a shortened offseason.
I give up
I give up
What's he supposed to say?
What's he supposed to say?
When was the last time Gase had darnold throw a slant?
I honestly can't remember any of our receivers running slants. Its all crossing and combination routes.
I don't understand why Gase hasn't simplified this offense especially with a shortened offseason.
You beat quarters with quick passes (probably why we were slant and flat heavy) and vertical plays, especially down the seam. That's something we didn't see on Sunday and it was very disappointing.
Herndon had all this hype and we didn't go to him down the seam at all.
Our problem is that our best weapon after Bell went down was Jamison Crowder. You want to get the ball to playmakers in space against quarters and hope they can pick up chunk yards. We are just so thin at the skill positions that there wasn't much we could do. It didn't help that Darnold was off either.
Joe D is not doing much to bring in talent to help Sam.
He rebuilt the entire offensive line in one offseason. It's going to take a while to fix everything. I figured we'd start to see some fingers pointed at Joe Douglas.
I am all for giving Joe D the time he needs to rebuild the team.
All I'm saying is when our skill players on offense are this pathetic. You couple that with an imbecile of a coach and you will see the same putrid performance week after week. How can you tell the fanbase you're looking to compete if you don't improve the roster with short term band-aids?
his short term band-aids were Perriman and Doctson.
I think the operative words in loyal's post were "improve the roster".
He rebuilt the entire offensive line in one offseason. It's going to take a while to fix everything. I figured we'd start to see some fingers pointed at Joe Douglas.I think it's fair to be critical of Joe Douglas. I'm very much a believer in him. I'm fully on board.
they're short term band-aids....improving the roster was never gonna happen under Gase. No matter who JD signs.
I'm very patient with Douglas
He clearly has a plan. If it works out, I don't know. But I'm willing to watch it play out...
He rebuilt the entire offensive line in one offseason. It's going to take a while to fix everything. I figured we'd start to see some fingers pointed at Joe Douglas.
Let's be real, the guard positions are just bandaged, not rebuilt. That would be like the Khalil signing working out and saying the center position was fixed last season.
Replacing Perriman for Anderson so far looks like a mistake, sven if it saved us $8million in cap space next season.
I'm being patient but I'd say he's 50/50 with FAs and a massive question mark on the draft until all our picks get healthy.
Let's be real, the guard positions are just bandaged, not rebuilt. That would be like the Khalil signing working out and saying the center position was fixed last season.Well, it depends how Cameron Clark works out. If he hit on Clark in the 4th round, then we have one OG spot for the future filled. Obviously we have no idea how Clark will be.
Replacing Perriman for Anderson so far looks like a mistake, sven if it saved us $8million in cap space next season.
I'm being patient but I'd say he's 50/50 with FAs and a massive question mark on the draft until all our picks get healthy.
I said it most of last season and all offseason leading up to free agency and the draft, I didn't want any investment into defense other than EDGE--including corner.
It's year three of a top-3 pick QB's career. This was a make-or-break year for Darnold and almost every acquisition should have been made with the intention of improving his supporting cast. The OL deserves time to gel, but the dearth of high-quality skill players on offense bothers me.
There are only 2 ways to make sense of the Jets' offseason: 1) Douglas' hands were tied by Johnson or 2) he wasn't investing into a QB and HC he doesn't plan to keep going forward.
Mike Greenberg on his ESPN show. And he is spot on.https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1306594201950326790?s=19
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1306594201950326790?s=19
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1306602199368245253
Preach, Woody.
If we get blown out by a scrub Niners team, that seat gets a hell of a lot hotter.
“I’m glad you guys finally acknowledged this team was in the Super Bowl last year, a top 5 defense”
-Gase
“I’m glad you guys finally acknowledged this team was in the Super Bowl last year, a top 5 defense...and thanks for reminding me we are the worst offense in the league”
-Gase
If we get blown out by a scrub Niners team, that seat gets a hell of a lot hotter.
I just hope when this clueless franchise gets rid of this bum, they don't hand the playcalling to Lolwell Lolgains
they should probably give playcalling to Shawn Jefferson or Jim Bob Cooter
Adam Gase designed his coaching staff with the poison pill that you can’t fire him because there’s no real OC/QB coach to take over
Dan Orlovsky @danorlovsky7
I’m aware that Adam Gase hasn’t had much talent to work with when it comes to the @nyjets
BUT—a “brilliant offensive mind” would be taking those players that lack talent & helping/getting them to outperform that talent. That’s what brilliance would be doing. He isn’t.
they should probably give playcalling to Shawn Jefferson or Jim Bob CooterShawn jefferson does not sound very intelligent when he speaks at press conferences
Orlovsky joining in now:
I have no problem with anything that was said here.
That’s the best argument that can be had. If Gase needs exceptional players to look like a good coach, you aren’t a good coach.
The mark of a good coach is never what they can do with a perfect cast, it’s can they make below average guys average and average guys above average. Can they elevate good players to become great ones? From what we have seen from Gase the answer is no freaking chance. In fact he seems to be taking average guys and making them perform poorly or worse.
this was the argument some of us made last season. But we were told "roster bad, not gase's fault".
Not sure why you are arguing with me, I wanted him fired before Th e Cowboys game last year. There is no way in hell those performances with Sam out with mono weren’t completely phoned in on the offensive side of the ball.
And there is a difference between reaching your ceiling with the talent you have and absolutely not being competitive in any regard with talent. This team is freaking terrible I fully believe that. But give this roster to a strong coach and they could keep this team “in the hunt” until thanksgiving. If we aren’t completely out of it by week 5 I will be stunned at the turn around we have had.
I don't think he is disagreeing with you...he's merely highlighting the excuse from the Gase supporters.
Imagine being a season ticket holder for this franchise....jesus.My dad always says he's undefeated at tailgating
I hate Gase more than Quigley and Lach Edwards combined.
In my 30 years of rooting for this pathetic franchise, I have never hated a head coach more than Gase.
My active fandom only goes back as far as Herm but same here. Gase is the only one to not have a winning first season. No honeymoon phase plus I desperately didn't want us to hire him.
My dad always says he's undefeated at tailgating
In my 30 years of rooting for this pathetic franchise, I have never hated a head coach more than Gase.
All the Gase supporters on this board maaaake some noiiiise!!!You truly love to argue against nobody, don't you.
You truly love to argue against nobody, don't you.
You're one of the few I was referring to
okay, time for you two to fight(https://www.applebees.com/-/media/applebees/campaigns-2/health-and-safety/sanitation-lower-module-desktop.jpg)
now. do it
I really don't get the offense today.
-Keeping with underneath throws even when down by 21
-Not scheming to Herndon who is probably the most talented healthy receiving option on the team right now
-Waiting until the game is out of reach to give touches to Ballage and Perine despite your starting HB being 37 and requiring an extra day off of practice in the week to stay rested
“I’m pissed right now. That excrement’s no fun going out there and getting your derriere beat.” - #Jets HC Adam Gase
Adam Gase has had a rough *checks notes* entire life
Gase is the worst coach in the NFL.
I'd take ANYONE over him.
We are non-competitive on offense and that's in him.
freak YOU GAZE for breathing.
Tannehill 4 TDs today
$20 to anyone that knows his OC without googling
I googled it. My first response was, "Who?"
lmao i forgot we get to goto la twice at different times of the year
and we get to lose to he dolphins 2 out of 3 weeks.
we might beat cleveland, but only if someone else is also trying to get the 1 pick
We're a bad team, perhaps the worst in the NFL, but Kansas City and Seattle are the only teams on there that truly scare me. Maybe New England, but that's more because of past scars than me thinking that this year's team is very good.
Don't get me wrong, I think we will be underdogs in every single one of those games except maybe home Miami. But I think we'll beat someone. At least I hope so.
There are a couple wins in there but none of them are going to be easy.I think you’re going to be disappointed
The Chargers have put up more yards of offense in the first half of their game against the reigning Super Bowl Champions than the Jets have done in the entirety of either of their first two games. I guess that's just how brilliant offensive minds work.The Chargers started their rookie QB too
I think you’re going to be disappointed
You'd be surprised. I think we come away with 2 wins.
You'd be surprised. I think we come away with 2 wins.I refuse to get my hopes up....I demand justice
Quite frankly, if Sam is who we think he can be, we should win at least 2 games.
I think he’s gonna be not very good with Adam Gase as his mentor and Josh Malone, Berrios, and Frank Gore as his supporting cast.
Hot Taek SZN
(https://i.imgur.com/M4lU97T.png)I don't understand how I looked at this before the season and saw 7 wins.
Sorry guys....i don't see a win in there. Not with this coaching staff.
We might have a chance against the Bye week.
lmao i forgot we get to goto la twice at different times of the year
Berrios is actually OK, his hands are good and he plays bigger than his size. He's a very Patriots kind of receiver. A 1-2 punch of him and Hogan isn't going to cut it though.
I've been a Jets fan since Joe Walton was head coach
Adam Gase is the worst coach I've ever seen coach this team
4-12 is best case scenario
sad
How injured is Drew Lock?Can we though?
We can beat Denver if Driskel is their starter
Glenn Naughton
@AceFan23
Asked why Herndon wasn't involved with so many receivers injured, Gase says they had some stuff drawn up for him that they "weren't able to get to".
This guy is unreal.
Damien Woody on Gase:
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1306602199368245253
Adam Gase is 2020.
He needs to not finish the week
What does he mean "weren't able to get to" Herndon plays?
Does this half-wit script the entire game? Was he trying everything else to make it sure it didn't work first before pulling out the "real" threats?
We currently rank in the top 5 in only one category....punting
2nd most punts: 11
2nd most punt yards: 500
#BrilliantOffensiveMind
Our punt coverage has been awful tooThe alarming thing is that our offense hasn't really been any worse than last year (not that it had much further down to go). But our defense and special teams have been worse. Last year, our defense and special teams kept us afloat. Not so much this year.
The alarming thing is that our offense hasn't really been any worse than last year (not that it had much further down to go). But our defense and special teams have been worse. Last year, our defense and special teams kept us afloat. Not so much this year.
“I don’t feel like he’s the right leader for this organization to reach the Promised Land,” Adams said. “As a leader, what really bothers me is that he doesn’t have a relationship with everybody in the building.
“At the end of the day, he doesn’t address the team,” Adams added. “If there’s a problem in the locker room, he lets another coach address the team. If we’re playing sh---y and we’re losing, he doesn’t address the entire team as a group at halftime. He’ll walk out of the locker room and let another coach handle it.”
Jamal is a dick but I believe this
I could be wrong but isn't that a quote from the Mehta article that came out the week before Jamal was traded?
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1308109792603504642?s=20
garbage
How is he still employed?
i was just thinking about this lol. think about the people you know in your own life who are qualified/overqualified for positions they wish they had and are looking for their break. then think about gase's CV and track record knowing that he has a 1 out of 32 position in the world
last year all we could talk about was the injuries, the lack of an o-line, the lack of talent. a lot of this excrement is still there but at the least the o-line is better than it was last year, even if still imperfect. however, we are still seeing the same excrement and the same pattern of ineptitude that there was last year, there hasn't been any improvement. i don't think it's down to talent. we could have had a 2007 randy moss out there and i'm sure gase would still be having him run 3 yard outs in the 4th down 20 on 1st and 10
https://twitter.com/blakenyjets/status/1308006344717459456?s=21
https://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/1308214087093026816?s=20
TV ratings could get the Johnsons' attention regarding Gase. Imagine trying to sell season tickets next year with Gase still around. Impossible.
https://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/1308214087093026816?s=20I doubt it. It doesn't effect their bottom line
TV ratings could get the Johnsons' attention regarding Gase. Imagine trying to sell season tickets next year with Gase still around. Impossible.
#Jets TE Chris Herndon is blocking more than any other starting tight end on his passing snaps at 36.4% (minimum 80 total snaps).
Combined with only playing 74% of overall snaps and playing on an anemic offense, you have a very bad fantasy recipe.
I doubt it. It doesn't effect their bottom lineSeason tickets would. TV ratings are a sign of general apathy. My family and I are more apathetic than usual. Hard to get behind a coach you don't like and a team that is embarrassing.
Exhibit 12455678901727383 on Fire Gase:
Chris Herndon's best asset is his blocking.
Great. Why did we resign Griffin?
Because he's a solid player that was playing well for us?Let me reframe this: why is a team with an injury decimated WR corps using all of its TEs primarily as blockers instead of trying to scheme plays towards Herndon and Griffin, two players Darnold has shown familiarity and chemistry with in the passing game?
Let me reframe this: why is a team with an injury decimated WR corps using all of its TEs primarily as blockers instead of trying to scheme plays towards Herndon and Griffin, two players Darnold has shown familiarity and chemistry with in the passing game?
Jets Offensive Rankings
Total: 32
Run: 31
Pass: 30
Scoring: 31
Let me reframe this: why is a team with an injury decimated WR corps using all of its TEs primarily as blockers instead of trying to scheme plays towards Herndon and Griffin, two players Darnold has shown familiarity and chemistry with in the passing game?
What was the point of re-signing Griffin if we are not going to use him as a pass catcher or allow him to take over blocking duties to free Herndon up as a pass catching option when we already have Wesco and Brown?
TLDR; Gase does not know how to utilize talent on the roster if it does not hit specific definitions or schemes.
The plays were drawn up, Gase said so
He also said they didn't have a chance to get to them
"You don't get to run the fun plays until you make my screen passes work!"Screens are the vegetables. Dessert? 3 yard slant.
"You don't get to run the fun plays until you make my screen passes work!"
Screens are the vegetables. Dessert? 3 yard slant.How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
Apparently, Williamson took a shot on Gase in a radio show. There should be a tweet around soon.https://twitter.com/brady_watz1/status/1308486120343326725?s=19
It's easy to blame Gase for everything that went wrong.
I choose to blame our stupid freaking logo.
I was just listening to Joe and Evan and they said they interviewed McDougald today who said (Joe Beningo paraphrasing so who knows what was actually said):
-The jets are having non-competitive practices and not doing what they need to do in practice to win in the game
-Implied he sees a big difference in the direction/intensity of practices here vs Seattle
-They asked Avery Williamson about McDougalds comments and he backed them up
https://twitter.com/drewfromjersey/status/1308508133703254019?s=21
I remember one of the comments from Gase during TC was him complaining that the players weren’t practicing with any urgency. The only thing I could think of at the time was, “Isn’t that your job to instill that?”
I was just listening to Joe and Evan and they said they interviewed McDougald today who said (Joe Beningo paraphrasing so who knows what was actually said):
-The jets are having non-competitive practices and not doing what they need to do in practice to win in the game
-Implied he sees a big difference in the direction/intensity of practices here vs Seattle
-They asked Avery Williamson about McDougalds comments and he backed them up
https://twitter.com/drewfromjersey/status/1308508133703254019?s=21
Players are starting to speak up (and i'm not talking about players that tried to get themselves traded).....I bet Gase gets fired on the bye week.
Once he loses the locker room, it's game over for him
I really don't want to wait until week 11.
If they go 0-4 off a loss to Denver on a 10 day week, he's gone.
the hiring of gase is a sunk cost at this point
I doubt it. If Bowles survived that Phins game in 2018 when basically every player on the team quit on him then I just don't think a midseason firing is in Chris Johnson's wheelhouse. I don't think executive administration is in Chris Johnson's wheelhouse in any capacity, actually. The first three-day work week Johnson ever put in for the Jets was probably when Gase implored him to scrutinize Duff. After that he went back to the two-day weeks.
I don't like the logo. If the change was going to be that minimal just leave it the way it was.I'm used to most changes in life being incremental improvements or substantial downgrades, it's weird and annoying to see something just get slightly worse.
I was just listening to Joe and Evan and they said they interviewed McDougald today who said (Joe Beningo paraphrasing so who knows what was actually said):
-The jets are having non-competitive practices and not doing what they need to do in practice to win in the game
-Implied he sees a big difference in the direction/intensity of practices here vs Seattle
-They asked Avery Williamson about McDougalds comments and he backed them up
https://twitter.com/drewfromjersey/status/1308508133703254019?s=21
@ConnorJRogers
Some #Jets film thoughts:
-Best game of Quinnen's career
-Becton hype is very real, as impressive as a rookie LT can play
-It is astonishing how conservative/scared the offensive game plan is, one of the most pathetic I have ever seen at NFL level
This could be a shot at Gregg Williams too. Ultimately it falls on Gase, but these are two defensive players talking about tempo, missed tackles, etc.
“If we execute the play called we’ll be fine” - #Jets HC Adam Gase
Did he actually say that?
@GaryMyersNY
Can you imagine how much worse the first two weeks would have been for the Jets if Adam Gase wasn’t a brilliant offensive mind?
hhahahahfuck
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Did he actually say that?
Gase on audibles: "(Darnold) can do a lot of different things. Just certain plays where he doesn’t have freedoms to do certain stuff ... If we execute the play called, we’ll be fine. I know you guys want to get into the whole QB sneak thing, but that’s my prerogative." #Jets
Michael Nania
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Prior to Gase's arrival, the Jets had not started 0-2 with over 150 yards of penalty yardage since 1995.
They have now done that in back-to-back seasons.
I don't need confirmation from McDougald or anyone else on the team to know Gase is running pee poor practices. The penalties say it all.
Mort just said on Countdown the internal criticism is mounting on Adam Gase. Good mcnight, Adam.
Mort just said on Countdown the internal criticism is mounting on Adam Gase. Good mcnight, Adam.
Here's hoping he is fired by Friday.I dont think it makes any long-term difference whether Gase is fired now or in the offseason.
In a weird way, a win today or possibly even Thursday might be the worst thing for this franchise.
I dont think it makes any long-term difference whether Gase is fired now or in the offseason.
I dont think it makes any long-term difference whether Gase is fired now or in the offseason.
https://twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN/status/1310358667024388101?s=19
Manish MehtaGase gives up on his team way too often. That may be my biggest issue with him other than the lack of results.
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Nobody gives up faster than Adam Gase when things aren't optimal.
Six second-half drives:
3 punts
INT
Safety
Turn ball over on downs
Three first downs and 72 total yards in the second half.
#NYJvsIND #TakeFlight
https://twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN/status/1310358667024388101?s=19It seems disingenuous to consistently talk about how good he thinks Darnold is and then pin none of the actual results of the offense on him. If Darnold is the best QB in the division as he always says, he should be doing better.
Gase gives up on his team way too often. That may be my biggest issue with him other than the lack of results.
Is there a point in saying he sucks anymore? Everyone knows it. No one wants him to stay. It's happening, just a matter of when.He sucks though
Is there a point in saying he sucks anymore? Everyone knows it. No one wants him to stay. It's happening, just a matter of when.Yeah but then who are people going to argue with about Gaae?
It seems disingenuous to consistently talk about how good he thinks Darnold is and then pin none of the actual results of the offense on him. If Darnold is the best QB in the division as he always says, he should be doing better.
Sam Darnold is younger than Joe Burrow, and has spent his first two seasons in the NFL being coached by Jeremy Bates and Gase/Loggains. I am starting to get really, really freaking annoyed with the "yeah but Darnold bad" narrative when the fact is that despite the revisionist history that you and plenty of others have started to employ about how you really had concerns about Sam all along and he wasn't really the concensus #1 in 2018, he was an elite prospect who any half decent offensive coaching staff could have and should have turned into an absolute freaking star. There's nothing that wasn't or isn't coachable about him, but the Jets have failed to do so in an absolutely spectacular fashion so far.
This post should be stapled to a few foreheads on this board....
Yeah but then who are people going to argue with about Gaae?
Now the arguments should be about Sam.
There's nothing that wasn't or isn't coachable about him, but the Jets have failed to do so in an absolutely spectacular fashion so far.
The next step is changing who is running the offense and calling the plays. Change that and see if Darnold improves at all. There’s an opportunity to do that now in-season without having to wait a full year and possibly moving on from Darnold without even giving him that chance.Gimme the Cooter
We can’t bring in 3 new WRs or a new OL, so it’s really the only change we can make.
Yeah but then who are people going to argue with about Gaae?
Now the arguments should be about Sam.
You can't coach out the yips sometimes. Harbaugh was able to do it with Alex Smith...
We at least owe it to him to try. It's abundantly clear that Gase and Loggains are not helping him at all.
Sam Darnold is younger than Joe Burrow, and has spent his first two seasons in the NFL being coached by Jeremy Bates and Gase/Loggains. I am starting to get really, really freaking annoyed with the "yeah but Darnold bad" narrative when the fact is that despite the revisionist history that you and plenty of others have started to employ about how you really had concerns about Sam all along and he wasn't really the concensus #1 in 2018, he was an elite prospect who any half decent offensive coaching staff could have and should have turned into an absolute freaking star. There's nothing that wasn't or isn't coachable about him, but the Jets have failed to do so in an absolutely spectacular fashion so far.Couple things...
you're the only one on the board that defends Gase...so you.Please show me where I defended Gase since week 1. I will wait.
The next step is changing who is running the offense and calling the plays. Change that and see if Darnold improves at all. There’s an opportunity to do that now in-season without having to wait a full year and possibly moving on from Darnold without even giving him that chance.That is fair. I think playcalling in general is overrated but Gase clearly isn't coming back barring a miracle, so if we want to try a new playcaller, that's fine.
We can’t bring in 3 new WRs or a new OL, so it’s really the only change we can make.
Please show me where I defended Gase since week 1. I will wait.
I dont see a way he lasts to next aeason.
I don't think a mid-season firing will help much of anything but maybe a new voice in Darnold's ear could help us evaluate him as others have said. Really, I'm just sick of this garbage. Gase gets too much blame but I've seen nothing from him that gives confidence.
My point is the problems go deeper than Gase. Gase is not helping, but some people act like if we removed Gase, we would be competitive with this roster. Only Sam gets that excuse.
Gase needs to go but a new coach is just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic until we get more talent.
That is fair. I think playcalling in general is overrated but Gase clearly isn't coming back barring a miracle, so if we want to try a new playcaller, that's fine.
Gimme the CooterThat was my best line in high school. Never worked.
The more I think about the Gase hire and performance that I fully expected the more it pisses me off, it would do a lot for my mental health if we could move on sooner rather than laterIt's a bandaid on a gushing wound, but it's something.
The more I think about the Gase hire and performance that I fully expected the more it pisses me off, it would do a lot for my mental health if we could move on sooner rather than later
Adam Gase's 2019-20 Jets are the first team in NFL history to have back-to-back seasons starting 0-3 with under 20 points and 300 yards in each game
We cannot effectively run play action because:
1. We can’t pass protect inside
2. We can’t run the football
3. Our WRs can’t consistently separate
4. Our QB can’t go through his progressions
This was very entertaining
https://mobile.twitter.com/damienwoody/status/1310352088598151171?s=20
"I'm gonna go eat some ice cream"
“I have been told that the New York #Jets owners have reached out to an agent to ask about coaching possibilities. Thursday is my guess... Adam Gase’s last day as a New York Jets head coach.” - @ColinCowherd
Is that suggesting we are going to hire OUTSIDE the organization to man the rest of the season?
Is that suggesting we are going to hire OUTSIDE the organization to man the rest of the season?
No wait a minute there's more:
- Brad Childress
- Jeff Fisher
- Bill Cowher
Either that or just starting to build the candidate pool early.I think this is the case
Either that or just starting to build the candidate pool early.
Given that Gase still has a job and it’s week 4, I can’t imagine this makes tons of sense. It’s not like we need to build a list to get ahead of things right now. We are the only ones looking.
Have to think that Atlanta, Detroit, and possibly Minnesota, Jacksonville and Houston will be some way down that road as well.
LoL why in hell would Cowher leave a cushy studio job for the Jets?
I'd be at least as happy as the day Parcells took over, maybe more
It's not gonna happen
Why would anyone want Cowher? Dude has been out of the league for 13 years.
Have to think that Atlanta, Detroit, and possibly Minnesota, Jacksonville and Houston will be some way down that road as well.
Of course, but my point was that we can’t hire anybody till the season over and I can’t imagine we will run interviews during our bye week (or maybe theirs?)
Whatever idc just get that mother fucker out of here
Colin Cowherd isn't exactly a good source. Probably just saying stuff that's likely to happen anyway.
I can't imagine we are hiring someone outside of the organization as head coach now. Probably coming up with guys who can work with Cooter or Gregg.
Actually that makes a bunch of sense. Take the HC and whatever Loggains supposedly is out of the org, if you promote internally to replace them then you need to backfill.
Hiring a QB coach would be a genius freaking idea
Hiring a QB coach would be a genius freaking idea
So the better answer is to run the ball when it's blatantly obvious that's what they're doing?
Even if the playaction fails, it's showing the defense something out of the obvious. That has value, no?
https://twitter.com/robbysabo/status/1310772249071439873?s=21
lol
3. A QB who can actually sell play action.
Bring in Chad to school Sam? Pennington was great at this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/sports/football/jets-pennington-leads-by-misleading.html
3. A QB who can actually sell play action.
https://twitter.com/robbysabo/status/1310772249071439873?s=21
lol
Damien Woody
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biggest thing is your first 10-15 plays are scripted so that’s a huge indictment on either scheme or preparedness by players
Yep. Can't have miscommunications on the first play of the freaking game. That should be practiced all week if it's scripted. Granted, maybe the players are just morons.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/29/jets-deny-report-that-christopher-johnson-has-reached-out-to-coaching-agents/
Jets deny reaching out to coaching agentsWhat are they supposed to say?
Jets deny reaching out to coaching agents
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1311296063765184512?s=21Drives me freaking nuts.
I freaking KNEW IT
https://twitter.com/pff_steve/status/1311312389925736448?s=21
Hurr durr I knew it
https://twitter.com/pff_steve/status/1311312389925736448?s=21
Hurr durr I knew it
Gase is afraid the player will injure themselves while going in motion
As the one person on the hire Gase train, I'll be sure to bump this thread after the first 11-5 season.
mj2sexay either gets to be a smug freak or looks like a know nothing poopchute in about a year.
First few pages of this thread make fun reading. Sorry to pick on you mj, but you put it out there...
If a mysterious/anonymous stranger hadn't fucked with my avatar, I'd be stuck with having Gase on it.
Oooof.And that's why I was willing to give Gase another chance after 7-9 last year. 23-25 with Miami is about what their roster should have delivered. 7-9 last year is about what our roster should have delivered. He wasn't overachieving, but he wasn't underachieving. There were bad signs, certainly, but many of those could be excused to things out of his control.
What can I say, I saw a guy leave a toxic organization at 23-25 without having his chosen quarterback for about a third of those games. I didn't realize their personnel was light years ahead of ours, nor did I see his rigidity in being completely unable to tailor what he's doing to the limitations of his roster. Some of the excrement you can't scheme around (last years offensive line, Sam's mono). Some of it is just being stubborn and lacking innovation.
And that's why I was willing to give Gase another chance after 7-9 last year. 23-25 with Miami is about what their roster should have delivered. 7-9 last year is about what our roster should have delivered. He wasn't overachieving, but he wasn't underachieving. There were bad signs, certainly, but many of those could be excused to things out of his control.
And that's why I was willing to give Gase another chance after 7-9 last year. 23-25 with Miami is about what their roster should have delivered. 7-9 last year is about what our roster should have delivered. He wasn't overachieving, but he wasn't underachieving. There were bad signs, certainly, but many of those could be excused to things out of his control.
See, that's a matter of perspective
Tannehill is kind of proving Gase did underachieve
I can't legitimately make the argument that the Jets have a good roster, but is it really as bad as it performs under Gase? I think it's a reasonable question and it was last year too
Hard to base everything on one player who is on another team. Any number of factors could have led to Tannehill doing well in Tennessee, like a giant RB steamrolling everyone in the playoffs.
Last year the Jets could have fallen apart and played better in the second half, so one year like that is also not a lot to go by. I didn't love the hire either, but once the guy is here you can't fire him after eight games or even one year. If you do you're going to have a real hard time getting anyone worthwhile to take the job, especially with this roster, Sam notwithstanding, you'd have to be nuts. If this year continues on like this it's a no brainer and much more justifiable.
The problem is it isn’t just one guy though.
There was a hashtag trending topic on Twitter a couple of weeks ago (after week 2 I believe) looking at the stat lines of all these guys after getting away from Gase
Mike Gesicki
Davante Parker
Jamal Adams
Ryan Tannehill
Kenyan Drake
Jarvis Landry
Robbie Anderson
And I’m sure A few others I can’t remember at the moment, but all guys who are flourishing in their post Gase lives
we were 7-9 last year because of our marshmallow schedule. The bulk of our wins came against teams worse than us in the standings. And to top it off, we still lost to 2 winless teams half way through the season.Our over/under was 7.5. We won 7 games with our QB getting mono.
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1311624302349946880?s=10
I almost threw up in my mouth when I read this.He's not getting fired this week barring some sort of historic meltdown. No one believes Colin Cowherd has a source.
Highly disappointing.
Here's to hoping Cowherd's sources are more credible. He did break the Brady to TB news first.
Our over/under was 7.5. We won 7 games with our QB getting mono.
If we fire Gase at some point during the season, what will it really accomplish besides making the fans happy? Will anything be better with the team than just waiting and firing him at the end of the year? Only thing I can see is maybe a short-lived shot in the arm to get us a few wins (maybe) that we quickly forget at season's end, besides wishing we didn't have those wins come draft time. It's not like we will suddenly become a top 15 offense with a temporary offensive staff. I don't know that having someone new will make a difference in Sam this year. He'll either run the same excrement offense with a different coach or have to learn some simple vanilla offense on the fly. Maybe the best thing is just to watch it burn down.
/shittake
We’re already talking about approaching the point of no return with Sam Darnold. How would firing the coach he’s clearly struggling under set him back at all?
We’re already talking about approaching the point of no return with Sam Darnold. How would firing the coach he’s clearly struggling under set him back at all?
Exactly. This talk in the Rap story about "the Jets want to see if he can turn it around" does nothing to make me less concerned about Johnson. What have they seen that makes them think he can turn it around? Are they not watching the games? There is not a single encouraging sign - we have actually regressed from last season. What can they base hopes of a U turn on other than blind faith?
When you're in a hole, at some point you have to stop digging.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't fire Gase, I'm just saying that I don't expect anything to be any better after he's fired. At the end of the year, I don't think there would be any appreciable difference in how the season goes either way. That being said, I'd be happy to see Cooter run the offense, even if just to use the word cooter over and over again. It's a fun word. Kind of like lady garden. I also think we should keep Towel Ramrod on staff after firing Gase, just for the fun of it. He would have no duties other than to scamper around the sideline.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't fire Gase, I'm just saying that I don't expect anything to be any better after he's fired. At the end of the year, I don't think there would be any appreciable difference in how the season goes either way. That being said, I'd be happy to see Cooter run the offense, even if just to use the word cooter over and over again. It's a fun word. Kind of like lady garden. I also think we should keep Towel Ramrod on staff after firing Gase, just for the fun of it. He would have no duties other than to scamper around the sideline.
I don't really care about the W/L column, but having someone else take responsibility for working every day with Sam and calling the plays on Sunday are my two main concerns. They're the two main things that Gase and his idiot lapdog are supposed to be here for, and they're the two biggest problems with the team.
You don’t expect anything to get better-
What gives us the greater chance for things to change:
Riding the season out with Gase or replacing the lead voice in the locker room, coaching Sam, and calling the plays?
Because right now we are last in the league across the board, so just about any change would have to be positive. If it gets worse (who cares at this point?), it just goes further to secure that #1 pick everyone is banking the future of our franchise on.
HCs with most losses by 10+ points since 2016
Adam Gase - 29
Hue Jackson - 21
Todd Bowles - 17
Jay Gruden - 17
Jon Gruden - 16
Doug Marrone - 16
Like I said, I don't think it makes a ton of difference if Gase is fired now or the end of the season. I don't know enough to have a firm judgment on whether or not that would help or hurt Sam. Even if the coaching isn't good, does getting rid of that coaching for Cooter, who might be a worse coach, make things better? I don't know.
It always seemed optimistic to get Gase out of here in Week 4. Timing with the schedule works out, but firing him 3 weeks after Christopher praised him so much was probably unrealistic.
Do I need to pull the stats on Cooter’s offenses vs. Gases?
I don’t think Cooter is a good coach, but we’re wringing our hands about getting rid of a coach who has consistently shown hes responsible for a bad offense on the field- year after year, game after game. Again, tough to get worse. Tough to care if we actually do get worse because this season is dead to me.
Do I need to pull the stats on Cooter’s offenses vs. Gases?
I don’t think Cooter is a good coach, but we’re wringing our hands about getting rid of a coach who has consistently shown hes responsible for a bad offense on the field- year after year, game after game. Again, tough to get worse. Tough to care if we actually do get worse because this season is dead to me.
Like I said, I don't think it makes a ton of difference if Gase is fired now or the end of the season. I don't know enough to have a firm judgment on whether or not that would help or hurt Sam. Even if the coaching isn't good, does getting rid of that coaching for Cooter, who might be a worse coach, make things better? I don't know.
It always seemed optimistic to get Gase out of here in Week 4. Timing with the schedule works out, but firing him 3 weeks after Christopher praised him so much was probably unrealistic.
According to those informed of the decision-making, the thinking is that firing Gase would not only be counterproductive in general, but also potentially damaging to quarterback Sam Darnold.
I just can't get my head round this bit from the Rap story:
I think it's pretty simple to understand. We have a young quarterback in need of coaching. Firing the guys coaching him is a risky decision.
Now, if you think Gase is actively hurting Darnold's development, then you make the move. Maybe that's the case, but none of us can concretely say that since we're not there. You can cite stats and whatever you want to tell me Gase sucks. Clearly, he's not doing a good job, and I agree he sucks. I know the counter-argument is "How much worse can it possibly get" but it can always get worse.
I know we all hate Gase, but firing him and replacing him with nobody, or someone that the NFL didn't think was good enough to have a job this year, is also risky.
The decision should be based on who we think can better develop Sam this year: Gase/Loggains or Cooter/random guy out of a job. They are two terrible options, but they are our options.
I'm not opposed to firing him, but firing him could absolutely damage Darnold. Maybe it helps him, but maybe it hurts him. I understand wanting to roll the dice and trying something new, but it could easily get worse.
Firing Gase gives us the best chance, and is what should be done. I'm just saying we still suck afterwards.
Like I said, I don't think it makes a ton of difference if Gase is fired now or the end of the season. I don't know enough to have a firm judgment on whether or not that would help or hurt Sam. Even if the coaching isn't good, does getting rid of that coaching for Cooter, who might be a worse coach, make things better? I don't know.
It always seemed optimistic to get Gase out of here in Week 4. Timing with the schedule works out, but firing him 3 weeks after Christopher praised him so much was probably unrealistic.
This season is toast, and so is this team. As long as Gase is gone by Black Monday, that's all that matters. Sam isn't going to do a total 180 with anyone taking over for Gase during the season...let's be realistic.
The only important things worth monitoring this season are the new HC search and whether or not Darnold is salvageable. Throwing him in the trash, basically refusing to evaluate him, and then banking on getting the #1 pick is a horrendous strategy.
The only important things worth monitoring this season are the new HC search and whether or not Darnold is salvageable. Throwing him in the trash, basically refusing to evaluate him, and then banking on getting the #1 pick is a horrendous strategy.We're not banking on the No. 1 pick. We are just preparing for that possibility because the team has been the worst in the NFL thus far, and Sam has not been helping.
We're not banking on the No. 1 pick. We are just preparing for that possibility because the team has been the worst in the NFL thus far, and Sam has not been helping.
REGRESSION
I keep seeing this word thrown around when it comes to Sam Darnold.
He is not regressing. He just isn't getting any better. He is still making tons of rookie level mistakes. He is wildly inconsistent and inaccurate.
There's still time for him to turn it around as it's only Week 3, but his door is closing quickly.
I think it's pretty simple to understand. We have a young quarterback in need of coaching. Firing the guys coaching him is a risky decision.
Putting Darnold back in on 3rd and 5 was really stupid.
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1311832072399581186?s=21
Michael Nania
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This is Gase's fifth loss to a winless team with the Jets (post-W1)
2019:
Browns (0-1)
Dolphins (0-7)
Bengals (0-11)
2020:
49ers (0-1)
Broncos (0-3)
Michael Nania
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Of Gase's 11 post-Week 1 losses with the Jets, 8 of them were against teams that entered the game with a record of .500 or worse
Thank god we are keeping this guy employed, can’t let a coach with a stat like that one go!
this doofus was coaching like it was #amateurhour when he was still with Miami.No. Poor drafting, poor roster construction and poor coaching are the problems. Woody vs Chris means nothing. A new owner would help, but really, we need to get the right coach, GM and QB in place.
Christopher Johnson is the real problem here. Woody can't get here fast enough. I never thought i'd say that.
No. Poor drafting, poor roster construction and poor coaching are the problems. Woody vs Chris means nothing. A new owner would help, but really, we need to get the right coach, GM and QB in place.
No. Poor drafting, poor roster construction and poor coaching are the problems. Woody vs Chris means nothing. A new owner would help, but really, we need to get the right coach, GM and QB in place.
The power structure is inherently problematic.Woody ain't fixing that.
The Athletic NFL
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Despite Thursday’s loss, Adam Gase will remain on the Jets’ sideline.
The plan is for Gase to remain as coach throughout the season, barring any dramatic circumstances that would make a change unavoidable, @Connor_J_Hughes
has learned.
Get ready for a long season, gents.
This is a freaking joke . Were going 0-16 and Darnold is ruined . Might as well embrace the tankThis feels like the it was the only logical reason to retain Gase, to try NOT to improve and just accept we are going after the top pick.
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I think we've established that no one is left on the Gase train. No need to call for firing Gase anymore, it is understood.
This feels like the it was the only logical reason to retain Gase, to try NOT to improve and just accept we are going after the top pick.
Then again it could just be the Johnsons not wanting to fire a coach mid-season to try and not “seem like a negative to potential candidates”
Make Gregg interim HC.
Yeah....noWell then just embrace the Gase and enjoy the shitshow
I’m baffled by the logic that we can’t fire Gase because the team will get worse.People already think we're a joke. This naive idea that letting someone who's officially the worst HC employed stay around wont induce doubt in candidates is laughable
We’re the worst team in the league!
I’m baffled by the logic that we can’t fire Gase because the team will get worse.
We’re the worst team in the league!
People already think we're a joke. This naive idea that letting someone who's officially the worst HC employed stay around will induce doubt in candidates is laughable
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Firing Gase right now looks bad for potential HC candidates. That's the only logical explanation i can think of.
I wanted Gase gone last year....but i'm willing to wait until the end of the season if it gives us Lawrence and a better coaching staff.
Did that stop Matt Rhule from going to the Panthers after they fired an actual Head Coach in Ron Rivera mid season?
Well then just embrace the Gase and enjoy the shitshow
After last night, Dowell Loggains is a better interim head coaching candidate than Gregg Williams.
Sure, if you want to make decisions based off of 1 game. Gregg has HC experience, Dowell doesn’t even call plays.
Kill the head and the body will die.Kill the hamstrings and the team will die.
Kill the hamstrings and the team will die.Lololpl
Dianna RussiniI enjoyed being irrelevant more than being the NFL laughing stock
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The last time the New York Jets fired a head coach during the season was in 1975.
Sure, if you want to make decisions based off of 1 game. Gregg has HC experience, Dowell doesn’t even call plays.
Sure, if you want to make decisions based off of 1 game.
One game? Our defense has been atrocious all season. Gregg is a known poopchute and showed it again last night. Our defense can't cover. We are only playing basic zone concepts and being shredded by backup quarterbacks. We can't tackle. We can't rush the passer. Everyone wants to point the finger at Gase, but we are equally bad on both sides of the ball. Our entire staff is garbage.
The team wouldn't get any better under him. We'd have the most undisciplined team in the NFL.
Lets not forget that this team was a touchdown saving tackle by our damn punter away from being blown out at home by a winless football team.
We are bad all over, not just on offense. Everyone's gotta go. That's why you can't make a change now because it's all garbage.
One game? Our defense has been atrocious all season. Gregg is a known poopchute and showed it again last night. Our defense can't cover. We are only playing basic zone concepts and being shredded by backup quarterbacks. We can't tackle. We can't rush the passer. Everyone wants to point the finger at Gase, but we are equally bad on both sides of the ball. Our entire staff is garbage.
The team wouldn't get any better under him. We'd have the most undisciplined team in the NFL.
Lets not forget that this team was a touchdown saving tackle by our damn punter away from being blown out at home by a winless football team.
We are bad all over, not just on offense. Everyone's gotta go. That's why you can't make a change now because it's all garbage.
Why was our defense ranked 11th in DVOA last year with largely the same personnel?
Im fine with firing everyone. Gregg was always a mercenary
No one thinks he’s doing a good job but he has experience taking over as an interim HC Of a lifeless team and having success. We saw the effect a change in playcaller we had on rookie Baker that year - probably the best stretch of his career.
We don’t have anything to lose
Two things:
1. No Jamal Adams
2. Lack of film for opposing OCs to go off of
So the only thing Gregg Williams has control over there is #2. Maybe he needs to make some adjustments but there’s like 20 years of tape on what a Gregg Williams defense does on tape.
So the only thing Gregg Williams has control over there is #2. Maybe he needs to make some adjustments but there’s like 20 years of tape on what a Gregg Williams defense does on tape.I don't think anyone is wrong about the impact Jamal had on our defense.
Regarding #1, a little surprising that the drop off from Jamal to Marcus Maye is that drastic. After week 1 of Maye flashing, most of what we’ve seen him do since is miss tackles. Either we were wrong about Maye being as good as we thought or we were wrong on the impact Jamal had on our defense.
part of me wants to believe that those cheap shots in the end were just proud players who wanted a way to express anger/frustration due to an otherwise very excrement loss, but it says a lot that Gegg hardly had any reaction after both hits
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Two things:
1. No Jamal Adams
2. Lack of film for opposing OCs to go off of
I was fine with the idea of Williams as interim until that bush league excrement at the end of last night's game. He's clearly the same classless shithead that he has always been and he has no place leading a team. freak him.I only watched highlights and a few drives whike at dinner wuth the Mrs.
I only watched highlights and a few drives whike at dinner wuth the Mrs.
What did Williams do ?
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Gase called his remaining timeouts in the last minute to prevent Denver kneeling the game out, so Fangio tried to run a couple of plays to run down clock and Williams sent all out blitz on both of them. The Jets had no chance of coming back and the only possible outcome from that cuntery would have been a player getting injured. As Heismanberg said, on one of them McLendon hit Rypien late and got a flag for RTP.I don't really blame McLendon or the players. They ran what was called. If they don't want a defensive tackle hitting the opposing quarterback, don't call a passing play. I didn't think McLendon's hit was dirty at all, just a little high. A defensive tackle should not be hitting a quarterback that quickly if he's blocked. Kudos to McLendon to getting to the QB, but just hit him cleaner.
It was shitty and petulant by both of them, and when we fire them both I hope that people remember what cunts they are.
Can trump give gase covidThat seems like a stretch. Just let Woody get it from Trump, spread it to Chris, and let's see what happens.
He didn’t feel like he was as strong as what he normally was.That was the decision we made"
What will it take to get him to start Perine?
Gase on how much his offense will change with Flacco at QB instead of Darnold: "It doesn't."
This coach is so bad guys
Can't wait for that Flacco Read Option on the first driveJoe Flacco has elite speed
This coach is so bad guys
This coach is so bad guys
Joe Flacco has elite speed
No one will see it coming
if you don't see that unibrow coming at you, then puck has a bridge to sell you.
Sign JFIF to play in the slot
I get it, it’s a vagina joke.
Could be taken that way, if JFIF had ever seen one of those. It was actually an eyebrows joke.
where's puck been?
where's puck been?
Fishing mostly.
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Gase said he’s changed around things at practice to up the intensity. Gase said it’s “not recommended by sports science,” but everything is on table to turn season around #Jets
injuries must be down.
Gase on how to fix 0-4: “Everyone has to put forth more effort. What they’ve been doing not enough.”
This coach is so bad guys
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Gase said if penalties don’t get better, they’ll need to “get different guys in there.” #Jets
im assuming he means a new coaching staff
I easily despise this guy more Kotite
It's not even close
Most people just felt bad for Kotite, there was actually a time when he was liked. He was an assistant under Joe Walton in the 80s and had some success as head coach in Philadelphia. Actually brought Ken O'Brien there in 1993 after Coslet fucked him over here.
During the Kotite years my dad would constantly tell me that we were closet Jets fans. I was so freaking confused at that sentence every time he said it.
I'm too young to remember the Kotite years but I was surprised to find out he didn't move to the other side of the country after his time here. But it makes sense if he wasn't really hated.
I'm too young to remember the Kotite years but I was surprised to find out he didn't move to the other side of the country after his time here. But it makes sense if he wasn't really hated.
He just never showed his face again, I don't know where he went. That was the height of the WFAN days, no Twitter or anything, so a lot of people hated him as a bad coach, but it was a different kind of hate. By early in year 2 is was a given he was going to be canned and the focus became getting Parcells out of New England. When he was doing well with the Eagles, only for a couple years, he was viewed as a coach who got away that we should have hired. Then Hess fired Pete Carroll for him, he came here and excrement the bed.I recall reading somewhere that he still lives on Staten Island. Don't remember the source.
I recall reading somewhere that he still lives on Staten Island. Don't remember the source.
i'd love to see the autistic sports science that gase has been using to run this teamAll the offensive plays are named after trains
All the offensive plays are named after trains
https://v.redd.it/eru74futabs51
Why are we even jets fans tbh
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I'll masturbate if they announce his firing tomorrow.You'll masturbate if he doesn't get fired also.
You'll masturbate if he doesn't get fired also.
Give Loggains the keys to the PintoLogjam leads us to 6 wins, gets fired with Gase, then hires Gase to work under him at next stop. Gase grumbles while holding challenge flag all game.
Gase is on a conference call with the media saying he's contemplating giving up playcalling duties. lol
Dude, if that's your answer....what's the point of having you around?
He'll be fired soon....might even be before the bye week. The Johnsons are dumb, but not that dumb.
Speaking of challenges, we had one of the worst I've seen in a while yesterday.
Crowder was clearly out of bounds a yard before the marker and he still challenged it.
Speaking of challenges, we had one of the worst I've seen in a while yesterday.That was so bad. I would excuse it on 4th down. Even 3rd down, it would be a bad decision, but it would be a big enough play. Doing it on 2nd down is so absurd.
Crowder was clearly out of bounds a yard before the marker and he still challenged it.
That was so bad. I would excuse it on 4th down. Even 3rd down, it would be a bad decision, but it would be a big enough play. Doing it on 2nd down is so absurd.
Big change in Texans gameplan without Bill O'Brien. Way more play-action and more aggressive downfield throws from Deshaun Watson.
Watson set season-highs in play-action rate (29%) and air yards per attempt (11.1). O'Brien was using play-action 16% of the time (third-lowest).
Unrelated but not really
Anything to avoid the kryptonite of 3rd and 1.
We're not making 3rd and 1. We need more manageable 3rd downs.
In a sort of related vein, was it my imagination or was there loads more pre-snap motion yesterday? Has he been reading the criticism, or does he trust Flacco more?
Didn't see much of a difference, but wouldn't surprise me if those motions are built in to almost every play and Darnold just doesn't use them much.
Flacco seemed to really try to slow the game down at times yesterday.
#TakeFlight
Kingsbury
Who is he going to give them to? Loggains? How does that change things?
https://sports.yahoo.com/adam-gase-becomes-first-coach-in-at-least-26-years-to-punt-on-4th-and-1-twice-in-first-five-minutes-of-a-game-173628493.html
What a freaking hoo-ha of a coach
Adam Gase on running the ball on 2nd & 26: “That play had kind of popped a little bit for us."
LMAOI wish people followed up on questions...
Especially since we have nothing to lose at this point.
If we went for it there and didn't get it, you'd kill him for it.
The guy's done an awful job coaching this team and calling plays, but you don't go for it on 4th and 1 on your own side of the field that early (in a 0-0 ball game).
I wish people followed up on questions...
... so your expectation was that run would net you 15+ yards.
Adam Gase on why run Gore on 2nd & 26 down 14 pts in 4th QTR: "We called it couple of times early. I wasn’t feeling great after play before. Just trying to find a way to see if we can get ourselves in 3rd-and-10 or less"
So he was hoping for 16 yards.
Gore is averaging 3.2 YPC
Further detail from Manish
Frank Gore's longest run this season is 13 yards. So Gase's strategy was to trust Gore to set his season record.
Is Chris Johnson actually paying as much attention as we are?
Who is he going to give them to? Loggains? How does that change things?Right? Even allowing for the most charitable possible take on the situation, how could it possibly make a difference?
Gase has said playcalling is the most fun part of coaching. So you guys should love Gase punishing himself. Even though I don't think he'll actually give it up.
Gase has said playcalling is the most fun part of coaching. So you guys should love Gase punishing himself. Even though I don't think he'll actually give it up.
honestly, what the freak does he find fun in calling 3 yard runs?I feel like his whole goal is just to avoid 3rd and long spots.
I feel like his whole goal is just to avoid 3rd and long spots.It's a terrible strategy because it leaves no room for error. You literally need to be perfect to score
Gase's ideal drive is stringing together a long drive with a bunch of well-executed short passed and eventually something breaks.
He is terrified of 3rd and 10 spots. And yes, those are bad. But 3rd and 6 isn't much better
It's a terrible strategy because it leaves no room for error. You literally need to be perfect to score
Happy birthday, Rich Kotite....the big 7-8 today.
His gift on his 78th birthday is that he has officially become the 2nd worst NYJ head coach of all time.
https://twitter.com/MBGreen_JO/status/1316047467633287168
MB and Manish in cahoots
I'm in the circle of trust.
Should've fired Gase last year.
Should have hired literally anyone else.
Exactly. Once he's here you almost have to go at least two years, the mistake was hiring him.
the mistake WAS hiring him.
But the Cards went one and done with Steve Wilks. Sometimes you have to admit to a mistake and fix it, instead of doubling down on it, like our retarded ownership.
Now we're wasting another season.
The big difference is the Cards got the #1 pick with Wilks. We finished 7-9. I’d wager no coach in NFL history has been fired after 1 season where he went 7-9. Now if you looked deeper into that (like we around here did) you could see why 7-9 was a complete mirage and how we managed to win games on weird fluky plays and in spite of our coaching failures due to a soft schedule. But clearly we lost to two winless teams and frankly should have lost to Miami again.
There were signs this was a disaster in the making. But I don’t think even the most pessimistic Jet fan would have guess we might be looking at an 0-16 team. I had hoped we could win 6-7 games again. But literally every single player that was on this roster last year hasn’t only failed to progress, they have regressed. I don’t think I’ve even heard of that before, but we are doing it.
I’m trying to think of which guy that was here last year that’s playing as good or better than a year ago. I can only think of 2 names, Quinnen Williams (who was a top drafted rookie a year ago) and Jamison Crowder. Who else on this team has even kept their level of play constant let alone raised it?
Gase and Co are definitely partly to blame for that. If not out right the primary cause.
I’d wager no coach in NFL history has been fired after 1 season where he went 7-9.
Gase took over a 4-12 team and got to 7-9 after starting 1-6, we can debate the details of that all we want but that's what happened.
that 6-2 run last season was a mirage. We beat teams that were below us in the standings...except the Cowboys. And I don't count beating the Bills 3rd stringers in week 17 as a win.
It's not that cut and dried. Last season's strength of schedule was a joke.
Our schedule is considerably harder this season, and the results speak for themselves.
It's not that cut and dried. Last season's strength of schedule was a joke.They still won the games. We all knew it was fool's gold, but it's hard to fire a guy after one 7-9 season. The over/under was 7.5, and we lost our QB for 3 games. We played to expectations based on the wins and losses. I know you're going to say "blah blah schedule" and the schedule was awful, but we knew the schedule was easy before the season. It turned out to be even easier than expected, but they still won the games.
Our schedule is considerably harder this season, and the results speak for themselves.
They still won the games. We all knew it was fool's gold, but it's hard to fire a guy after one 7-9 season. The over/under was 7.5, and we lost our QB for 3 games. We played to expectations based on the wins and losses. I know you're going to say "blah blah schedule" and the schedule was awful, but we knew the schedule was easy before the season. It turned out to be even easier than expected, but they still won the games.
If you told me before the season we would go 7-9 and Darnold would have mono, I would have said we met expectations.
You guys need to stop the "cant fire a guy who went 7-9" bullshit
The Chargers fired Marty Schottenheimer after a 14-2 season in 2006
You guys need to stop the "cant fire a guy who went 7-9" bullshit
The Chargers fired Marty Schottenheimer after a 14-2 season in 2006
Dementia > Gase
That's why they fired him. They went 14-2, had a league MVP in Tomlinson and then totally excrement the bed vs the Patriots.Oh I'm aware.
Rich Cimini just said on the Michael Kay Show that Adam Gase could be fired by the bye week if the #Jets start 0-9
MIA, BUF, KC, NE
MIA, BUF, KC, NELock it in
Oh I'm aware.
But it proves my point that your record is meaningless if there are other factors to determine if you deserve to retain employment.
Gase was a POS last year...he was a POS in Miami, and we're paying the price again this season because he's still a POS.
That 6-2 run was horseshit.
Like I said...its not that cut and dried.
It's a results oriented business.Settle down, Parcells.
what has he done in his coaching career thus far to warrant the security to go 0-9 before his job is in jeopardy?Honestly, we keep making franchise changing decisions on the whims of an autistic man who can't coach.
this franchise fcking sucks
Honestly, we keep making franchise changing decisions on the whims of an autistic man who can't coach.
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Never forget that Adam Gase refused to use Bell as a receiver, arguably his best skill as a back.Literally the only justification for giving Bell the contract we gave him.
Never forget that Adam Gase refused to use Bell as a receiver, arguably his best skill as a back.
Literally the only justification for giving Bell the contract we gave him.Besides Curtis, Leon, and LT our receiving RB game has been non-existent for my every fandom. I don't understand why we never seem to have decent checkdowns built into our offense.
Besides Curtis, Leon, and LT our receiving RB game has been non-existent for my every fandom. I don't understand why we never seem to have decent checkdowns built into our offense.
Never forget that Adam Gase refused to use Bell as a receiver, arguably his best skill as a back.
It's amazing that we might fire a GM mid-offseason last year and a coach midseason this year.
Just gotta hope that we luck into a decent head coach this offseason. I don't have faith in the Johnsons to make a good choice, but I think it's kind of like the draft where even bad drafting teams can get lucky sometimes. Just gotta hope the coin lands tails when they hire the coach and get a decent one.
Luck into a good coach, and hopefully Darnold or Lawrence can be the long-term answer, and hopefully we can forget this time period of Jets history.
We had a good run of coaches from Parcells all the way through Rex, people got spoiled.Coin landed tails for a while. Landed heads with the last 2 coaches. I thought Bowles was a good hire. By the end of his 2nd year, MB and I were the only ones who wanted to dump him. I thought Gase was a bad hire, but I fell for enough fluff pieces where I gave him a decent leash.
when the FB was still prominent/relevant, richie anderson was awesome fo rus. if memory serves me correctly jerald sowell was a decent pass catching option as wellTrue, I wasn't thinking of FBs.
https://twitter.com/wallace17_dakid/status/1316205551953547267?s=21
Isn't he still talking about Philbin here?
Isn't he still talking about Philbin here?
I want to crown this guy with a baseball bat to the head.I lived and suffered through the Kotite era and Gase makes Kotite look like Vince Lombardi.ugh
Is their room on your boat for Le'Veon Bell?
https://twitter.com/kyleteichert/status/1316193767569985538?s=21
Can we not post tweets by a kid with Eminem and John Mayer listed in his Twitter bio?
Can we not post tweets by a kid with Eminem and John Mayer listed in his Twitter bio?
#NYJ coach Adam Gase will not be giving up play-calling duties, per source. Gase himself had floated the idea as a consider-everything possibility for his winless team & stagnant offense. Ultimately, the head coach decided against it. #NYJvsMIA on Sunday.
Kim Jones
Kim Jones
If i pulled in the hoo-ha John Mayer did, my dong would look like Tommy's pizza hut special.
Give us a break, you spent the night with Bo in the anchor, yours probably looks like a tootsie roll dipped in non-parleils.
Connor Hughes
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Adam Gase said the staff discussed him giving up play-calling duties. Said the rest of the staff didn’t view that as the reason the season is going the way it’s going, so he will keep calling the plays. #Jets
wat
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Gase said that Denzel Mims is harassing him to get back on field. Mims says he’s “ready” #Jets
For him to get back on the field would require him to have actually been on the field previously.
Translated as "freak you, you're not dragging us down with you"
It will be shocking if Gase or any of his assistants get NFL level coaching positions after this.
i wonder what its like to watch your entire career and profession be washed away because you decided to shack up with a freaking idiot
i wonder what its like to watch your entire career and profession be washed away because you decided to shack up with a freaking idiot
As a fan of the Jets Mets and Rangers, across all three teams, I am giving Gase the "freaking piece of excrement coach I hate the most" award. He surpasses Art How and Rich Kotite
Kim Jones
We should have a bet on which week Gase gets fired. To me, after week 9 makes the most sense because week 10 is the bye. It would give Cooter an extra week to scramble up some plays. If he isn't gone by then, I'm sure he'll just ride out the season and get fired.
It will be shocking if Gase or any of his assistants get NFL level coaching positions after this.
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1316360825498669064?s=21Are you telling me a 1 yard run up the gut isn't a pass?
Comical
Rich Cimini @RichCimini
OC Dowell Loggains on Gase deciding to remain the playcaller after consulting with staff: Loggains says play calling is not the issue on offense. Mostly an execution problem, he says. #Jets
I'll be glad when he's gone so we can talk about something else. Anything else.
how about that sweet Revis trade?
https://twitter.com/nyjets_media/status/1316484852007436288?s=21
If you think about it Gase really is a great look for our brand as a loser franchise.
I wonder if Johnson and Douglas sit there and tell each other, and themselves, that none of these people on TV, in commentary boxes, in the press or anywhere else are as smart as them, and that by not firing him they're really just demonstrating their superior knowledge and expertise. I can't understand why he's still there - this whole "well things could be worse and anyway who's going to replace him" argument is massively bogus and surely everyone can see that by now.
i don't know if douglas is afforded the responsibility of being a part of that discussion
let's get gase tf out of here but let's also change the reporting structure. we need douglas to be in on this next HC hire. we need them to feel both connected and accountable to each other and for the prospects of this organization
If Gase was part of the discussion to fire Maccagnan then I doubt Johnson couldn’t be plied by Douglas as well.
If Chris Johnson cannot make the distinction between Maccagnan and Douglas independent of Gase by now, then he's incapable of re-thinking "it" outside the Johnson & Johnson box...
Make your prediction.Fired after we lose to Pats week 9. Week 10 is bye.
Gase will be fired after we lose to KC.
He gets toasted on Black Monday. Gotta secure that #1 pick first.
Yeah, not sure what is accomplished by doing it mid season, especially if we're on track for #1. Let Gase wear all these losses on his record, not some hapless interim taking one for the team, which will likely fire him too. When we look back at 96, Kotite is the poster boy for the scorn as he should be, why let Gase off that hook?
wait a minute....did we just agree on something?
(https://media.tenor.com/images/22fec76eca85a132849a59af728d6cc4/tenor.gif)
I don't see, if Johnson is so scared to look wrong, how Gase is gone before January. In a year that was critical to the evaluation of a top-3 QB pick, the person running the show is more concerned with not being proven wrong than the success of the organization.
I don't know if it's about that, necessarily. Once you make the move you can't undo it, and there's nothing to really gain by doing it now. I think he was trying to be supportive a few weeks back, now he's just going to ride it out.
Nothing to gain?
Let's just imagine that in some crazy timeline Darnold is actually talented and has the potential to improve and become a great QB.
Let's just say, in this possibly fictional world that Adam Gase is actually an atrocious coach who makes all his players much worse than they potentially are. Let's even stretch the narrative and say that in this universe, Dowell Loggains is as useful an an appendix.
What if, in this crazy timeline, a coaching change could be no worse, and potentially give the team a chance to see what Darnold is capable of?
You're probably right though. It makes a lot more sense to just trade off anyone with any value whatsoever, keep Gase, and give him and Douglas a few years to rebuild the roster from scratch to see if their vision is the answer.
Nothing to gain?Nobody is talking about keeping Gase beyond 2020. Just debating firing him between now and Black Monday.
Let's just imagine that in some crazy timeline Darnold is actually talented and has the potential to improve and become a great QB.
Let's just say, in this possibly fictional world that Adam Gase is actually an atrocious coach who makes all his players much worse than they potentially are. Let's even stretch the narrative and say that in this universe, Dowell Loggains is as useful an an appendix.
What if, in this crazy timeline, a coaching change could be no worse, and potentially give the team a chance to see what Darnold is capable of?
You're probably right though. It makes a lot more sense to just trade off anyone with any value whatsoever, keep Gase, and give him and Douglas a few years to rebuild the roster from scratch to see if their vision is the answer.
Nobody is talking about keeping Gase beyond 2020. Just debating firing him between now and Black Monday.
The main argument for not firing him yesterday appears to be the fear that we will improve with him gone and play ourselves out of the #1 pick. Have we really reached the point at which people are so draft obsessed that they would prefer not taking the chance of our franchise quarterback improving so that we can draft another one?For the record my position is fire him ASAP and let the chips fall where they may.
For the record my position is fire him ASAP and let the chips fall where they may.
Which is the only sensible and logical position. It creates two possible outcomes: we still suck and get the #1, or we pick up a couple of wins, Sam looks improved, we give him Ja'marr Chase for next season.That's kind of a false dichotomy, there's an easy possibility that we fire Gase and still win enough games to move us out of #1 but Sam still doesn't inspire confidence.
That's kind of a false dichotomy, there's an easy possibility that we fire Gase and still win enough games to move us out of #1 but Sam still doesn't inspire confidence.
Or we keep Gase and the same thing happens.
Which is why I just want the immediate gratification of him being fired.
Nobody is talking about keeping Gase beyond 2020. Just debating firing him between now and Black Monday.
That's kind of a false dichotomy, there's an easy possibility that we fire Gase and still win enough games to move us out of #1 but Sam still doesn't inspire confidence.
Or we keep Gase and the same thing happens.
Which is why I just want the immediate gratification of him being fired.
>Be Chris Johnson
>Be Black Monday and Adam Gase comes strolling into your office
>”We have another situation”
>”That Mike Maccagnan replacement you hired is trash bro”
>”We both agree that I’m an offensive genius”
>Of course
>”This Joe Douglas loser has to go. Matt Khalil lmfaoooo”
>Ok but we have to let him run the draft and free agency before we get rid of him
>That’s how all the best teams operate
>JD spends all our cap money on RBs and ILBs and drafts a NT at 1 overall
>Dowell leaves JD alone in the war room
>Manish tweets that Joe Douglas’s job is 300% safe
>Our 2nd round pick tears his hamstring while reading Gase’s playbook
>Tony Pauline drops the hammer
>Gase extended and Dowell promoted to GM
>Be Chris Johnson
>Be Black Monday and Adam Gase comes strolling into your office
>”We have another situation”
>”That Mike Maccagnan replacement you hired is trash bro”
>”We both agree that I’m an offensive genius”
>Of course
>”This Joe Douglas loser has to go. Matt Khalil lmfaoooo”
>Ok but we have to let him run the draft and free agency before we get rid of him
>That’s how all the best teams operate
>JD spends all our cap money on RBs and ILBs and drafts a NT at 1 overall
>Dowell leaves JD alone in the war room
>Manish tweets that Joe Douglas’s job is 300% safe
>Our 2nd round pick tears his hamstring while reading Gase’s playbook
>Tony Pauline drops the hammer
>Gase extended and Dowell promoted to GM
At this point its more than just gratification. After the stunt he pulled with Becton (and even Sam), he's messing with the health and development of what few building blocks the Jets have. He should have been shot into the sun the minute that Denver game was over.
Nothing to gain?
Let's just imagine that in some crazy timeline Darnold is actually talented and has the potential to improve and become a great QB.
Let's just say, in this possibly fictional world that Adam Gase is actually an atrocious coach who makes all his players much worse than they potentially are. Let's even stretch the narrative and say that in this universe, Dowell Loggains is as useful an an appendix.
What if, in this crazy timeline, a coaching change could be no worse, and potentially give the team a chance to see what Darnold is capable of?
You're probably right though. It makes a lot more sense to just trade off anyone with any value whatsoever, keep Gase, and give him and Douglas a few years to rebuild the roster from scratch to see if their vision is the answer.
>Be Chris Johnson
>Be Black Monday and Adam Gase comes strolling into your office
>”We have another situation”
>”That Mike Maccagnan replacement you hired is trash bro”
>”We both agree that I’m an offensive genius”
>Of course
>”This Joe Douglas loser has to go. Matt Khalil lmfaoooo”
>Ok but we have to let him run the draft and free agency before we get rid of him
>That’s how all the best teams operate
>JD spends all our cap money on RBs and ILBs and drafts a NT at 1 overall
>Dowell leaves JD alone in the war room
>Manish tweets that Joe Douglas’s job is 300% safe
>Our 2nd round pick tears his hamstring while reading Gase’s playbook
>Tony Pauline drops the hammer
>Gase extended and Dowell promoted to GM
https://twitter.com/OptimisticJets/status/1316801139531223040?s=20
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1317155522919936003?s=20
OH excrement
Shots fired at Douglas?
https://twitter.com/chosen1ra/status/1316716360119078913?s=20
Robby Anderson
@chosen1ra
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Got away from all dem phony guys I had to detox
That's shots fired at offense and special teams, not Joe Douglas.
That's shots fired at offense and special teams, not Joe Douglas.
That's shots fired at offense and special teams, not Joe Douglas.
Anderson getting his punches in
That’s my HCGregggggg/Cooter 2020
Hysterical
how tf did i miss that moment between gase and belichick last year?
that fcking smirk. you never see belichick smile. even he at that moment was thinking that adam gase must be some sort of retard and couldn't help but laughing
Are we sure Gase isn't a Make A Wish case and that his wish just went too far?Dowell looks like a grown up make a wish kid
Dowell looks like a grown up make a wish kid
Dowell looks like a grown up make a wish kidDowell looks like a kid who wished he was older so he could stay up late and drink soda whenever he wants
Throwing Gase overboard is not going to solve anything. Vince Lombardi could come back and have a hard time winning a game with this Jets roster. And if you are tanking, why fire the coach who gives you the best chance to lose games?
The only reason to want to fire Gase now is a question of how far you want to burn it all down. If you feel like there is very little worth redeeming on this roster, then let Gase wallow in his own misery for the rest of the year, tank, and burn it down to the ground. If there are some players worth keeping that you worry will be permanently set back by having Gase around for another 10 games or so, then I can see the case of bailing now, but you have to ask whether they will be any better for the rest of they year under a patchwork staff. Giant douche vs turd sandwich.
The only reason to want to fire Gase now is a question of how far you want to burn it all down. If you feel like there is very little worth redeeming on this roster, then let Gase wallow in his own misery for the rest of the year, tank, and burn it down to the ground. If there are some players worth keeping that you worry will be permanently set back by having Gase around for another 10 games or so, then I can see the case of bailing now, but you have to ask whether they will be any better for the rest of they year under a patchwork staff. Giant douche vs turd sandwich.
I want us to fire Gase right now and win enough games to get out of the #1 spot, because I'm not remotely close to giving up on Darnold. I want us to actually freaking support him, not replace him.
If you hate Gase more than you want the Jets to win, you'll be happier to watch Gase wallow in the hog lagoon he created for the rest of the season.No, I hate gase more than I want the Jets to win with gase employed, because gase is a terrible freaking coach and I don't want to win 4 games and maybe score him another year because the Johnsons are freaking morons.
Who on this current staff is winning more than 2 games with this excrement team?Nobody, Gase and the FO has ruined this season for us already.
Costello tweeted Rich Kotite's birthday yesterday and the first 50 or so comments were just people raging about Gase.
Douglas would be stupid to fire Gase early. He can tank, get a top pick, and point his finger at Gase.
Douglas would be stupid to fire Gase early. He can tank, get a top pick, and point his finger at Gase.Is it even up to Douglas?
Is it even up to Douglas?
No, but if he went to Chris Johnson and said, hey it’s time, I would think he would listen.
Gase is Christopher Johnson.
I'm not trying to "both sides" this thing (yes I am), but I really don't know what is best for this team with all the what-ifs still remaining. Will we have the #1 overall pick? Is Darnold really unfixable and maxed out? Will another QB emerge that is worthy of our first pick if it isn't #1 overall? Will the Jets indeed fire Gase and replace him with a competent HC and someone that has a competent offensive scheme? Is Douglas really worth the contract he got and will live up to the hype he got when he was hired? There are 2 paths:Darnold will have an extended look at the end of the season once he's healthy. If he plays well and we don't get the #1 pick, he'll go into next year as the presumed starter, and we'll likely bring someone in as competition. If he plays well and we still get the #1 pick, well, he probably didn't play well enough, and he hasn't done enough in 3 years to allow us to pass on Lawrence.
1. Don't bail on Darnold.
-Give him weapons, protection, and a competent offensive staff. If we end up with #1 overall, trade it for a ginormous bounty of picks and/or players.
Pro- It would give us many more chances to get players for this team to get better, and we don't have to worry about whether or not we get the #1 overall pick. Even if Darnold sucks, we hopefully have an offensive foundation for the next guy.
Con- if Darnold isn't the guy, we are treading water and may end up passing on a talent at QB (and his cheap contract) that doesn't come around often.
2. Bail on Darnold (as our franchise QB).
-If we do end up with the #1 pick, draft Lawrence. Trade Darnold for whatever you can get unless it's so little that keeping him as competition/backup makes more sense.
-If we don't get the number 1 pick, ugh. Draft the best WR. Keep Darnold for the year to either prove he's the guy or prove he isn't and punt on QB until the next draft. I'd really hate to waste a high pick on a project QB, but I guess you could go that route and make Darnold compete. I feel like that's likely to lead to us just playing with our wangs at QB for another few years. Then again, what's the alternative in that situation? Try to create magic with a castoff veteran QB? Either way, we'll all bitch and complain about several players we could have had at the spot we take aforementioned rookie excrement-QB.
Pro- Possibility to have THE guy at QB on a cheap contract for several years. Possibility to get some value for Darnold to support Lawrence. Possibility that Darnold gets some playing time (either because Lawrence isn't quite ready, gets hurt, or Darnold outplays him in camp) and plays better than expected with actual NFL WRs, giving us a good dilemma at QB.
Con- Possibility of watching Darnold go elsewhere and shine because we failed to give him any tools to succeed. Also possibility of drafting a QB that isn't any better than Darnold either at #1 overall or wasting a high pick on one of the other QBs that isn't worth it. Possibility of having Darnold continue flailing at QB while also not getting a pick high enough to get Lawrence.
The ultimate worst outcome would be to bail on Darnold and not get the #1 overall pick. That only happens if the Jets by some stupid reason try to deal him before the season is over.
Darnold will have an extended look at the end of the season once he's healthy. If he plays well and we don't get the #1 pick, he'll go into next year as the presumed starter, and we'll likely bring someone in as competition. If he plays well and we still get the #1 pick, well, he probably didn't play well enough, and he hasn't done enough in 3 years to allow us to pass on Lawrence.Darnold will have to play well.....with Gase.
The issue comes if Darnold plays poorly and the Jets don't get the #1 pick. Then we have to evaluate Darnold compared to Trask, Fields and Lance and try to determine if any of them are worthy of top-3 picks.
Seeing as I think the best chance this team has to win games is if Darnold plays well, I think the situation will likely play itself out.
Gase isn't preventing him from missing throws and seeing open receivers and not bailing on the pocket when there isn't pressure.
if sam's acting surprised when he has time in the pocket now, that's not sam's fault. it's our fault. he didn't have the yips as a rookie. he had a rocky rookie season but there were definitely flashes later on during that year that made us all continue to believe he had franchise QB potential. his last 4-5 games were pretty damn good, and he had one of the highest QBR's during that time for a reason
like JE said, we can do the same song and dance as much as we want, but this franchise literally instills no confidence in me whatsoever that they'll be able to do anything positive with the next QB prospect we end up with
sam's too nice. i wish he was meaner. any other person, let alone QB, would have escalated up and voiced displeasure at being hung out to dry the way he has with incompetent fools and bullshit people like gase and the make-a-wish hobbit
Sam was a part of the hiring process. He must have liked Gase at least a bit. He was a young idiot sold a false bill of goods most likely, but still.
Sam was a part of the hiring process. He must have liked Gase at least a bit. He was a young idiot sold a false bill of goods most likely, but still.
Sam was a part of the hiring process. He must have liked Gase at least a bit. He was a young idiot sold a false bill of goods most likely, but still.
Im on record saying firing coaches midseason is mostly useless and for show, but Jets fans might mutiny if he is back next weekNo real way to show it without fans at games.
Would you hire Gase as HC if you were a high school program?
Would you hire Gase as HC if you were a high school program?
the next 3 games are against the bills, chiefs and patriots.I think most Jets fans have fizzled out for this year and don't care either way.
As much as i'd like to see Gase eat a excrement sandwich on black monday, securing that #1 pick.....i think the ownership pulls the trigger on him at 0-9.
I think most Jets fans have fizzled out for this year and don't care either way.
I think most Jets fans have fizzled out for this year and don't care either way.This board and Twitter is the extent of my Jets experience since last week, I'm done for the year.
billboard time?
Im on record saying firing coaches midseason is mostly useless and for show, but Jets fans might mutiny if he is back next week
“For show”To be fair our opinions on the matter are completely immaterial whether we were right about Gase on day 1 or if it took until now to agree that he sucks.
Falcons and the Texans looked pretty good this week.
Doesn’t matter, by the time fans like you have come around to the idea, it’s already way too late. The team was sunk weeks ago and the toxicity has infected the locker room.
To be fair our opinions on the matter are completely immaterial whether we were right about Gase on day 1 or if it took until now to agree that he sucks.
the next 3 games are against the bills, chiefs and patriots.
As much as i'd like to see Gase eat a excrement sandwich on black monday, securing that #1 pick.....i think the ownership pulls the trigger on him at 0-9.
The logical move would be to fire him now. But the owner is just as dumb.as the coach and is clueless so I can def see him.waiting till end of yearI disagree...waiting until the end of the year to fire him and securing that #1 pick is playing 4D chess.
I really don't want to see my team go 0-16.Close your eyes
I really don't want to see my team go 0-16.I'll take 0-16 if that is the only way to Lawrence but I really hope 1-15 is enough to get that done.
I really don't want to see my team go 0-16.I'll go 0-16 if it means Gase is gone plus that #1 pick is ours.
Flacco isn't great, but he looked like a joke.
So I went to Hard Rock stadium for the Jets game today not because I thought we’d win, but because I wanted to see Adam Gase coach in the flesh (and tickets were 30 bucks). Let me tell you... I’ve never been more disgusted at a human being in my life. I had eyes on Gase every second of that game and he didn’t talk to a player ONCE. He kept to himself with his head buried in his clipboard. The. Entire. Game. I’m not even exaggerating. My sister who knows less than a fish about football said to me “hey Jeremy, why does that guy keep looking at his clipboard all the time?” I said “well Sarah, that’s our coach.” A coach is supposed to be engaged, talking to players, etc. Gase stood there and didn’t say a word to anybody. I have pictures. The first picture is a 2nd and goal for the Fins. The entire team is engaged and watching. The second picture is Gase... off to the side... by himself. After those two you’ll see two more. Gase in the black shirt alone in his clipboard while the team is engaged. I am embarrassed to say that this man runs my team. Gase is a disgusting pig and for those who think Darnold or Joe Douglas is the problem.... Go see a doctor.
He looks exactly the same as he did on the Broncos. Anybody who applauded his signing didn't watch him play last season.
Gase can talk to his quarterback and his coaching staff on his headset.
It's hilarious to watch him go sit on the bench by himself while staring at his play sheet, but acting like he doesn't communicate (even if it's most likely poorly done) is absurd to me.
"I DIDN'T SEE HIM TALK TO THE QB!"
As I said yesterday, it depends why you thought we were signing him.
Gase can talk to his quarterback and his coaching staff on his headset.
It's hilarious to watch him go sit on the bench by himself while staring at his play sheet, but acting like he doesn't communicate (even if it's most likely poorly done) is absurd to me.
"I DIDN'T SEE HIM TALK TO THE QB!"
K
Mentor QBs are a waste of a roster spot and he can’t play anymore. He was a bad signing no matter how you look at it.
Gase can talk to his quarterback and his coaching staff on his headset.
It's hilarious to watch him go sit on the bench by himself while staring at his play sheet, but acting like he doesn't communicate (even if it's most likely poorly done) is absurd to me.
"I DIDN'T SEE HIM TALK TO THE QB!"
i will cede that communication with the QB/staff at the least can be done that way, but be honest, how often do you think that happens with his QBs? and how well do you think it's done?
i will cede that communication with the QB/staff at the least can be done that way, but be honest, how often do you think that happens with his QBs? and how well do you think it's done?
he sure as hell doesn't speak to any player or positional group that's non-QB. jamal adams is a hoo-ha and a bitch but one of the things he said going out from this team was how gase just doesn't talk to anybody. his idea of player communication is by benching people to improve their confidence.
even in his post-game pressers, he is saying the same things every single week. 'we have to execute better'. 'we can't hurt ourselves with all these penalties'. 'we just need to find a way to get it to work'. you'd think after going through this 6 weeks in a row, we would have addressed some of this excrement some way? no, we come out every week and still do the same things over and over; we still make the same mistakes over and over. i'm not at the practices so i honestly can't say what gase does or what goes on, but i can only assume that he doesn't communicate this excrement to his players well, if at all. it's the only way gase can say this stuff after every game in his presser yet still have a team that looks as woefully unprepared and undisciplined as ours on a weekly basis.
I disagree. Uncle Josh here, and Fitzpatrick yesterday showed what a mentor QB can/should be.
Every sport has mentor players. Not every guy is cut out for it, but those that are have a lot of value. Flacco was actually reviewing the tablet with Morgan at one point yesterday (while Darnold sat on his other side with his arms crossed looking like he'd rather be anywhere else, lol).
Everyone who liked the Flacco signing did so because they thought Flacco was going to be sitting on the sideline acting like a coach in pads.
I liked the signing because Darnold so far misses a few games per year and Flacco gives us a better chance in those games than a Luke Falk or a rookie. Where I miscalculated was thinking the objective was to win games, silly me.
Did you really type that in earnest after a game where he got shut out 24-0?
Gase on lack of TE production: "For whatever reason, we haven't been able to get Chris (Herndon) going." 44 snaps yesterday, 0 targets.
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1318256603431342080?s=20Nope, wouldn't have been allowed to do a presser today if they were firing him. Another week with Gase.
Johnson's gotta can him today. This dude is unbelievably out of touch.
Try to save some face and give the playcalling duties to Loggains.
@Michael_Nania
I was JOKING about the Gase stuff not talking to the QBs - it's not even a joke! It is BREAKING NEWS from the sideline reporter that Gase talks to his QB for the FIRST TIME with 7 minutes left in the fourth quarter. Wow this guy is special
Nope, wouldn't have been allowed to do a presser today if they were firing him. Another week with Gase.
Consider this stat from Pro Football Talk’s Michael David Smith: The Jets have been outscored 185-75 this season. That is a point differential of -110. That is equal to the combined point differentials of the second- and third-worst teams this year. The Jaguars are at -56 and the Washington Football Team is at -54.
Dude needs to resign.
freak no. I want him the whole season, that's our best way to ensure we finish 0-16 and get the first pick in the draft.This x1000
freak no. I want him the whole season, that's our best way to ensure we finish 0-16 and get the first pick in the draft.
MBGreen wants Gase. Never thought I'd see the day.Just until week 17, broski.
And I want to win some damn games this year.
I just feel so numb reading all of this. I just am laughing at how this excrement gets worse and worse each week.
I’m marveling at how he still has a job.
I’ve definitely made one decision though, I’m putting money on a Jets game for the first time in my life this upcoming weekend.
Mike McCarthy is doing a fantastic job in Dallas
OJ on Gase
https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1319323416189489152
I kind of like OJ lately, don't know why. Always hated him on the Bills and especially when he interrupted Game 5 of the Knicks in the Finals with his bullshit. Can't kill your wife in August?Other than the whole multiple homicides and domestic abuse, he seems like a decent guy.
Other than the whole multiple homicides and domestic abuse, he seems like a decent guy.
I just read the last post in this thread without twigging to the context, looked at the title and thought "what, Gase is a rapist as well?"No proof that he isn't
No proof that he isn't
Adam couldn't rape a fly you guys
he could probably draw up a 'fly rape' play
https://twitter.com/NYJets_Media/status/1318992807932153856?s=20
https://twitter.com/pff_brad/status/1319286881398390794?s=21
That's a common stretch and fumble drill, but neither player seems to give a excrement.
Right, it's not that the drill is anything bad, it's that if you're going to do any drill with that level of intensity you might as well not bother.
And if the starting QB is practicing this way to start practice, imagine the other positional drills.
so much for the "culture change" we were promised.
so much for the "culture change" we were promised.Put Greggggg in charge of the offense
Put Greggggg in charge of the offense
Straight kneecapping edge rushers.You read my mind
I just read the last post in this thread without twigging to the context, looked at the title and thought "what, Gase is a rapist as well?"
My recent camera roll is like 50% Gase memesWell make sure you're posting them all
My recent camera roll is like 50% Gase memes
You guys are giving yourselves a mental disorder. Smoke something and go outside.Shut up and take in the misery.
Shut up and take in the misery.
I've got Kershaw going tonight after a ridiculous ending last night. Can take so much in one day.
Plus, the Devils signed Kulikov....im surprised you haven't stuck a gun in your mouth yet.
I don't know who that is, I'm an American.
Oh...you'll find out. Poor bastard.
Rich Cimini
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Gase says giving up play calling allowed him “to take a step back” and observe entire organization. #Jets
what
How daft is this lover of the older lady?
Plenty of things to hate Gase for, but that answer is expected and meaningless.
It was reported the derriere hat actually spoke to a player on the sideline today when his head wasn’t lost in his play sheet
Eric AllenObviously, if someone isn't scripting the offensive game plan and calling every single offensive play, it gives them a chance to take a step back and take a more macro look at the team.
@eallenjets
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Jets HC Adam Gase on giving play-calling duties to OC Dowell Loggains: I thought I should take a step back and really focus on every phase of the organization.
Gase says it's been about 8 or 9 years since he hasn't called the plays in the regular season.
#BUFvsNYJ
you don't think Gase should've been looking at every phase of the organization from the day he was hired? ok
stop defending Gase.
Obviously, if someone isn't scripting the offensive game plan and calling every single offensive play, it gives them a chance to take a step back and take a more macro look at the team.
Anyone who thinks that's a controversial statement is an idiot.
Uhhh...what's he doing the rest of the week? He should be looking at all 3 phases of the team during practice, AND during the game. He's the HC ffs.
How do you know he's not looking at the team as a whole?
He just admitted he wasn't during his presser.
"really focus" =/= I was not focusing beforeSeriously. Plenty of real reasons to hate Gase. Jumping on a comment like this is just dumb.
At least hate the douchebag for the normal douchey reasons that seem to actually be true
"really focus" =/= I was not focusing before
At least hate the douchebag for the normal douchey reasons that seem to actually be true
Seriously. Plenty of real reasons to hate Gase. Jumping on a comment like this is just dumb.
Lol ok
keep kissing his peepee.
Does it take work to be this stupid or does it just come to you naturally
Is that what you told the angry BLM protesters when they burnt down your business?
Death, taxes, and MBGreen making a fool of himself in every post-game thread.
How do you know he's not looking at the team as a whole?
Oh, so it comes naturally
Because he said it.
Why did it take you so long to come back to the board, Jumbo.... did it take you awhile to dig your Commodore 64 out of the rubble?
dont make me pull a 624
You're gonna flex your 13 inch biceps and claim you got gainz?
Don't let me stop you.
We lost with Loggains calling plays so I’m assuming Gase is going to assume that isn’t the answer and take the play sheet back.
You guys are giving yourselves a mental disorder. Smoke something and go outside.
I can't believe they had Rhule, Kingsbury and Bieniemy in the building last year....and they hired Gase.
It’s not even like Gase is a personable guy. How the freak did he fool them
It’s not even like Gase is a personable guy. How the freak did he fool themlaser eyes
It’s not even like Gase is a personable guy. How the freak did he fool them
I freaking hate the Mannings more than Tom Brady
It’s not even like Gase is a personable guy. How the freak did he fool them
I freaking hate the Mannings more than Tom BradyIt's amazing how Peyton managed to screw us off the field twice, once before his NFL career and once after.
It's amazing how Peyton managed to screw us off the field twice, once before his NFL career and once after.
Don't forget the 2009 AFC Championship, we were up 17-6. We did knock him out of the playoffs twice in his career, so there's that. I believe we ended his Colts career with Nick Folk.Well yeah, but I was excluding all the on-field times he made me hate him.
Well yeah, but I was excluding all the on-field times he made me hate him.
Just quality programming here.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-adam-gase-dowell-loggains-20201026-5egqn7mmcvgy3k5vyiqmcweshy-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-adam-gase-dowell-loggains-20201026-5egqn7mmcvgy3k5vyiqmcweshy-story.html)
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1321893843042734080?s=21
Gase 2021
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1323012387637809152?s=19
The only way Mims or Perine are getting touches is if we cut all of our other playersJets sign Frank Gore 4 more times simultaneously.
The only way Mims or Perine are getting touches is if we cut all of our other players
You can't have a coach trying to save his job while you're trying to evaluate players.
This is the #1 reason why Gase should already have been fired. It's also the clearest indication that the front office--namely those with the last name Johnson--have no idea how to run a sports franchise.
What scares me most is that I don't have 100% confidence that the front office wont bring Gaze back next year.
What scares me most is that I don't have 100% confidence that the front office wont bring Gaze back next year.
This will be where MBGreen and the NY Jets part ways.
What scares me most is that I don't have 100% confidence that the front office wont bring Gaze back next year.
I'm trying to imagine how you could go 0-16 and keep your coach.
I'm trying to imagine how you could go 0-16 and keep your coach.
I'm trying to imagine how you could go 0-16 and keep your coach.
I'm trying to imagine how you could go 0-16 and keep your coach.
If Douglas and Gase are on the same page and have convinced Johnson that the team needs a complete scorched earth rebuild, with Gase tutoring Lawrence, I could see it easily.
We are here on a message board talking about how badly the last couple of GMs wrecked this roster. It shouldn't be too hard for Joe and Adam to make the same argument to Chris. Hell, for all we know, it's the argument Douglas made when negotiating his 6 year deal to come here in the first place.
I'm trying to imagine how you could go 0-16 and keep your coach.
Cleveland kept Hue Jackson after going 1-15 and then 0-16.You shut your whore mouth.
You shut your whore mouth.
Cleveland kept Hue Jackson after going 1-15 and then 0-16.
What's more, it barely moved the needle on attendances - the fans continued to turn up. Which puts the lie to the idea that the Johnsons wouldn't keep Gase around out of fear that the fans would stop going to games.
As usual, you're not helping.
see my previous post
What's more, it barely moved the needle on attendances - the fans continued to turn up. Which puts the lie to the idea that the Johnsons wouldn't keep Gase around out of fear that the fans would stop going to games.*USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR BEING AN poopchute
Real world's a bitch.
Remember when you said you weren't a queynte the other day?
This isn't me being a queynte, this is me helping to ensure that you don't set yourself up to have your dreams smashed in a couple of months' time. I'm doing you a favour by preparing you for what could very well happen - it isn't like I haven't been talking about this for a while now, or warning you why Lawrence isn't going to magically make everything better.
The fact is that after a year of not going to games, with a highly rated rookie QB and presumably a bunch of other new players on the roster, the Jets are going to sell a lot of tickets and jerseys next season regardless of who the head coach is. There is a very real possibility that if Gase has Johnson's ear still, he's the one in charge of developing your boy wonder.
I'll put up $100 against anyone saying Gase is our coach for 2021. Loser donates to the site.
"But the injuries!"
"No one is winning with this roster!"
"It's the OL!"
I'll put up $100 against anyone saying Gase is our coach for 2021. Loser donates to the site.
If someone really thinks Gase will be here starting next year, I suppose Puck might interest them with a bridge also...
Wake up, people.
Sure, can you point me to someone who has said that please?Lots of people are saying this
Lot's of people are saying this
That Gase will be here next year?I'm mocking conspiratorial speech patterns
I'll put up $100 against anyone saying Gase is our coach for 2021. Loser donates to the site.
Brilliant job fundraising, Badger.
I take your bet. It'll be win win either way. If Gase goes, I'll be glad to cough up the $100, if not, your money would be put to good use.Deal
Sure, can you point me to someone who has said that please?
Frank Gore is on pace for 190 carries
I wish we'd give Gore the same regard we gave Bell. I can't stand him being the starter anymore.
He won't ask to be released or traded because he wants to tack on yards to his career totals
He won't ask to be released or traded because he wants to tack on yards to his career totals
I didn't think it would be possible to dislike this guy any more than I already did, but here we are.
https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2020/11/05/adam-gase-bill-belichick-funniest-person-hes-ever-been-around
Wonder if he's pitching for the Patriots OC job when McDaniels takes a HC job in the spring.
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Gase talks about playing as many young players as possible, yet Gore, 37, continues to have a major role. Gore is playing at "one of the higher levels of anybody we have right now," per Gase. He adds, "We'd love to get Perine more touches." #Jets
Gase is, and always will be, a fucktard.
That said, I think Perine is an RB3 or RB2 long-term, so I don't ever see him being a feature back.
How many feature backs are there these days? There's always a place on a 53 man roster for a versatile RB2 that can pass protect and catch the football. That's hopefully what he is for this team longterm.That's fair. I should clarify that I don't really see him as a guy who gets >50% of the snaps long-term unless there are injuries. My hope is that Perine is the new Bilal Powell where he does everything relatively well.
It’s Perine’s first week as the “#1 back”, so Gore will need 20-25 touches so as not to overwhelm Lamical with his new job title
Honestly I’d be shocked if our rbs have 20-25 total touches. I think I read somewhere our backfield is averaging like 19 touches per game total this season.
I’m sure that is a function of always being down, a million 3 and outs and poor play in general but man that’s a terrible stat
Apparently this is the process for Dowell calling plays: https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1330672177423724547Lol
Adam Gase does not believe having Dowell call the play to him, then him to QB, makes things more difficult. Apparently all Dowell has to say is “Play 25” and then Gase reads it off.
Also, Gase as veto power if he doesn’t like the play.
Apparently this is the process for Dowell calling plays: https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1330672177423724547
Adam Gase does not believe having Dowell call the play to him, then him to QB, makes things more difficult. Apparently all Dowell has to say is “Play 25” and then Gase reads it off.
Also, Gase as veto power if he doesn’t like the play.
This is really pathetic."Coaching to where football is going"
Apparently this is the process for Dowell calling plays: https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1330672177423724547
Adam Gase does not believe having Dowell call the play to him, then him to QB, makes things more difficult. Apparently all Dowell has to say is “Play 25” and then Gase reads it off.
Also, Gase as veto power if he doesn’t like the play.
That's really not that difficult if they are all communicating on the headset together.
Much like Adam Gase, Connor Hughes doesn't know excrement about football.
It's a needless additional step in a 40-second-limit process. It's freaking retarded.
Hughes may also not understand how they are going about it.
Hughes may also not understand how they are going about it.
Gase probably asks Loggains what he's calling and then decides if he's good with it. It makes sense and it's a very similar process that Reid and Bieniemy follow.
Gase also claims the veto power is only on 3rd and 4th downs.
It's either bullshit and he's still calling the plays
it's introducing a needless delay in getting the playcall in.
Loggase
Loggains is calling the plays through Gase. The HC should ALWAYS have the right to change or challenge a playcall if they don't like it.
Not sure why this is so hard to believe. He explained the process. It makes perfect sense.
No, it's not. If we aren't running a two-minute offense or any kind of hurry up, it's not taking up that much time.
Watched the presser.
Gase literally says that Loggains calls the plays, Gase relays them in, and he takes control during two-minute football because it speeds up the process.
Beat nerds like Cimini and Hughes will use this against him, but it's really not all that different from what a lot of other teams do.
Duracell Lurchins does suck but I choose to believe he's a pure soul who's in over his head and not an arrogant dickhead like Gase.
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Gase can put four plays on multiple choice via the internet and let fans pick A-B-C-D for all the shits I give. Who cares about this?Puck is.....right?
freak this guy.
freak this guy.
Interviewing on Friday.
freak no
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Kick the tires if you must, but players seem to hate him wherever he goes. Bottom of my list for sure.
No.
HARD. PASS.
Could just be sweating the HC of a divisional rival for some inside scoop on their team. Maybe consider him an OC candidate after the fact
As the one person on the hire Gase train, I'll be sure to bump this thread after the first 11-5 season.
Fire GaseNailed it
This freaking guy. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190110/4e6359c7577c46dbf731eecd18deca1d.jpg)Aged like milk
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Supposedly Alex Lewis got into an argument with Gase in the locker room. That's why he was benched yesterday.
What a freaking bitch. How dare you disagree with me and my loser leadership.
Supposedly Alex Lewis got into an argument with Gase in the locker room. That's why he was benched yesterday.
Any coach would bench someone that comes at them in that setting, but it just goes to show that he's all but lost the locker room (if this rumor is true).
Supposedly Alex Lewis got into an argument with Gase in the locker room. That's why he was benched yesterday.
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1333488595664039936
Gotta get every edge we can.
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1333488595664039936
Gotta get every edge we can.
lol collaborative effort
I wonder how many other teams use 2,3,4 guys to call plays.
Nice hire, Christopher Johnson.
This clown refuses to admit failure by keeping Gase employed, and continues to look like a buffoon to the entire NFLYou're overthinking it. It's just easier to let him sink the ship instead of going through the hassle of rigging up an interim staff to do the same thing. Gase is doing a great job at what he needs to do now.
You're overthinking it. It's just easier to let him sink the ship instead of going through the hassle of rigging up an interim staff to do the same thing. Gase is doing a great job at what he needs to do now.
I honestly don't care, as long as he's gone. I don't even hate the guy, he's just obviously not up for the job and we need to move on. Pretty sure we will at this point, although MB would be priceless to read if for some reason we don't.I'd disappear into the mountains...never to return.
I'd be on board firing him during the last game once we are down by 20, requiring him to leave the field midgame in shame.Only if they make the stadium PA announce it and place a cartoon graphic of him getting thrown out on the board, with "hit the road jack" playing the background.
Only if they make the stadium PA announce it and place a cartoon graphic of him getting thrown out on the board, with "hit the road jack" playing the background.Bring back the in-game videos where we would have like fighter jets bomb Dolphins and Buffalo, except do it with Gase.
Sent from fire adam gase.
I'd disappear into the mountains...never to return.
I'd disappear into the mountains...never to return.
Except Jeremy Bates did...and had Sam playing at a pretty high level as a rookie
I'd be on board firing him during the last game once we are down by 20, requiring him to leave the field midgame in shame.
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1334531184202817536
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1334531398196211716
I appreciate the honesty at least.
my kids do this when they realize their excrement isnt gonna work, they start telling me all sorts of truths and things i wanna hear so that when the time for punishment comes i'm more lenient.
my kids do this when they realize their excrement isnt gonna work, they start telling me all sorts of truths and things i wanna hear so that when the time for punishment comes i'm more lenient.
What's the version of leniency in firing Gase? not lighting his office on fire as he walks out of the building?Writing a nice letter of recommendation to the Argonauts
What's the version of leniency in firing Gase? not lighting his office on fire as he walks out of the building?
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1334531184202817536
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1334531398196211716
I appreciate the honesty at least.
Gase told the media this morning they'll be flying back to NY in between the Seahawks and Rams games...instead of staying out west.I figured this since the Raiders didn't stay out East for our game.
#TankApproved
Gase told the media this morning they'll be flying back to NY in between the Seahawks and Rams games...instead of staying out west.Gore runs for 2 yards more efficiently after an East Coast break.
#TankApproved
https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1335327242780631046?s=21
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1335711249519271936
marcus maye is a nice player but functionally he's still a 'JAG' - type player to me even though he is admittedly just above that, but anyways i'll always be pissed we drafted him over darvin (dalvin cook)https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1335706906258714626
damn, maccagnan drafted two safeties in a row in 2017
damn
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1335706906258714626
Maye ripped Gregg after the game. Surprised nobody has posted this.
marcus maye is a nice player but functionally he's still a 'JAG' - type player to me even though he is admittedly just above that, but anyways i'll always be pissed we drafted him over darvin (dalvin cook)
damn, maccagnan drafted two safeties in a row in 2017
damn
marcus maye is a nice player but functionally he's still a 'JAG' - type player to me even though he is admittedly just above that, but anyways i'll always be pissed we drafted him over darvin (dalvin cook)
damn, maccagnan drafted two safeties in a row in 2017
damn
i don't know if it's just me but it feels like every time this team gets into the rare goal line situation, this unimaginative 'offensive genius''s go-to play includes a designed run with darnold basically throwing his body on the line. it's felt that way for the past 2 years. he's not fvckin cam newton, and even cam gets his body thrown around too much even though that's all he can do anymore.
Also I've always suspected that successful teams with play-stretching QB's - Chiefs, Steelers, Seahawks - invest above average time and planning in scramble drills. Gase's WR instruction for broken plays is probably more along the lines of "get open and execute better next series."
Also I've always suspected that successful teams with play-stretching QB's - Chiefs, Steelers, Seahawks - invest above average time and planning in scramble drills. Gase's WR instruction for broken plays is probably more along the lines of "get open and execute better next series."Gase also tells that to the defense on scramble drills
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Gase said “I wish I would have” overruled the Cover 0 call by calling a timeout.
He’ll overrule Loggains on 3rd down to go to a Frank Gore dive, but not this
In Gase's defense, what offensive-minded head coach expects to overrule his defensive coordinator on one individual play call? I can't imagine a coach doing it.
Everyone has to go.
In Gase's defense, what offensive-minded head coach expects to overrule his defensive coordinator on one individual play call? I can't imagine a coach doing it.
Everyone has to go.
Gase prob doesn’t even know what Cover 0 means anywayshttps://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1336073157950713857?s=19
https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1336073157950713857?s=19
Yeah, I'm sure the HC wearing a headset didn't know the playcall.
And there's no way to tell if he's watching the play or not.
Completely useless takes and clips from Nania.
That’s the point. He knew the playcall, proceeded to laser eyes a random person on the sideline whilst fingering his poopchute, and then fired Gregg when it predictably backfired. Like I said before, Gase has said he’s overruled Dowell for low leverage 3rd down calls during the middle of the game. He even admits he “regrets” not using a timeout to reverse the call. Why not step in here if you think it’s a terrible call. Everyone seems to think it was after the fact.Hey, you don't know if he was fingering his poopchute.
I’m not pinning this on anyone other than Gregggg, but it’s just another scenario where Gase has proved to be a useless poopchute.
Yeah, I'm sure the HC wearing a headset didn't know the playcall.
And there's no way to tell if he's watching the play or not.
Completely useless takes and clips from Nania.
That’s the point. He knew the playcall, proceeded to laser eyes a random person on the sideline whilst fingering his poopchute, and then fired Gregg when it predictably backfired. Like I said before, Gase has said he’s overruled Dowell for low leverage 3rd down calls during the middle of the game. He even admits he “regrets” not using a timeout to reverse the call. Why not step in here if you think it’s a terrible call. Everyone seems to think it was after the fact.If the offensive head coach is so confused by defensive play calls in the final seconds where he's calling time out to overrule him, then we have much bigger problems. Yes, Gase is the head coach, but I can't blame him for not calling time out, and I don't care where he's staring or what he's watching. That means nothing. Maybe he's doing nothing and wandering aimlessly. Maybe he's coaching somebody up. I have no idea. And I don't really care.
I’m not pinning this on anyone other than Gregggg, but it’s just another scenario where Gase has proved to be a useless poopchute.
I have no idea. And I don't really care.
A closer look at the TV replay shows Gase exhibiting no concern whatsoever before the play, a 46-yard touchdown reception by the Las Vegas Raiders. He is seen walking casually along the sideline in the opposite direction, his back to the line of scrimmage. He stops and turns toward the field a moment before the snap. He doesn't look like a coach who believes his defensive coordinator has just called a horrific play and that disaster is imminent. If Gase had been paying close attention, he would have noticed the safeties were only 10 yards deep -- 36 yards from the end zone! They were grossly out of position for a Hail Mary-type situation. He had one timeout left; he should have used it to discuss the play with Williams, especially after what happened on the previous play. The safeties got beat deep, but they got lucky because of a Derek Carr overthrow in the end zone.
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That a head coach didn't take control in a situation like that is unfathomable. Gase second-guessed himself for not calling timeout, but that's easy to say after the fact. Williams took the fall because it was a bad call that defied football logic, but Gase deserves plenty of blame, too. His decision to fire Williams provided cover.
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/85213/could-new-york-jets-pursue-bill-cowher-for-coaching-job-cowher-says
Gase is the worst.
I’ll say the same thing I said when Nanias tweet about this popped out. As someone who has coached at a pretty high level in HS sports (non football) I have had many moments where I close my eyes or turn away from the court a shade to collect myself before a big play. Often thinking various thoughts such as “oh please dear god let them execute” “just one more, we’ve got this” and “no mistakes, no mistakes”I agree. Gase is a bad coach. Plenty of things to blame him for. I don't care what he's looking at at that point. I also don't blame him for trusting his DC to make the right call. Blame him for hiring Gregg. Gregg is gonna do what Gregg is gonna do.
Given where the season has been and what must have been going through Gases mind was probably something like one of the ones I listed above. Once the play is about to begin he snaps back to the field much as I have many times. I fully believe Gase had one of those moments and even though he’s awful and I despise almost everything he has ever done for this franchise I will not hold that against him, and I don’t believe anyone else should either. His mental state or decision would have been no better had he just closed his eyes while staring at the field to take a deep breath, but the optics would be 100x better as stupid claims like this would never have been made.
Hell he may have been having a private debate within himself about should I call a TO or not for all we know.
Blame him for hiring Gregg.
He didn't hire Gregg Williams.Blame him anyway
I still think Greg Williams was a better hire than Gase
They're both massive douchebags with giant undeserved egos
They're both massive douchebags with giant undeserved egosYes, they're NFL coaches.
i am not a fan nor a defendant of gegg williams but he is a superbowl champion as a DC
adam gase is arguably the most meritless hire at HC in the entire history of the NFL
Imagine going 6-19 as HC for a team, getting fired, coaching for another team at 17-29-1, getting fired, and then having the original team hire you again. Then, getting 3 years as coach of the original team you got fired from and getting 3 years to go 11-32. Imagine coaching for 9 NFL seasons and never winning more than 6 games.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Campbell
I still think Greg Williams was a better hire than Gase
Quinnen has broken out under Gregg. Jamal dominated last year. Gregg’s defense kept this team competitive last year.
Gase has ruined Darnold, risked his and Becton’s health with poor decisions, and runs Frank Gore into the ground just to defy logic
“Kill the head and the body will die”
If Greg is the head and the body is the defense, that plan worked quite well today
The defense has looked like excrement for most of this season. Williams oroved he shouldn’t be retained by week 2. I’m just upsethe’s the only ine that was fired so far.
Oh I get it. We are averaging 14 ppg now and giving up 30.2 ppg.
Our point differential is something absurd like 393 allowed to 183 scored. For an absurd -210 point differential through 13 games. I’m struggling to see how we don’t set a record for worst point differential ever at this point
The record for a 16 game season is -274 by the 81 Colts, which is 17.125 ppg. We're currently on track to be the 4th worst ever, behind the Colts, the '90 Patriots and the '09 Rams.
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Gase says ownership “deserves better.” Not often a coach admits that. #Jets
Watch ownership still keep him
Watch ownership still keep him
Are you whipping yourself with a belt buckle too?
Honest question: Why is this poopchute still employed?
He absolutely doesn't deserve to finish the season. I'd rather see Howell Boobgains run the team in week 16 and/or 17.
I can't think of a single person that has fucked this franchise more in the last 25 years.
He hasn’t lost the locker room which is both impressive and shocking.
He hasn’t lost the locker room which is both impressive and shocking.
He hasn’t lost the locker room which is both impressive and shocking.Counterpoint: says who?
Counterpoint: says who?That's fair, nobody knows, but Maye and others were giving the coaching staff credit for the win yesterday.
Counterpoint: says who?
They are still playing hard and no one has quit.
I think Gregg was more of a poisonous presence than Gase.
I was impressed with Bush's defense yesterday. Secondary looked better than we've seen this season, and even when we lost Q guys were still playing hard up front to stop a good running game. Hyper aggressive defense is fun to a point, but we just became predictable under Williams.I'm sure it'll look great on his résumé when he's trying to get hired as a position coach somewhere else next year.
I was impressed with Bush's defense yesterday. Secondary looked better than we've seen this season, and even when we lost Q guys were still playing hard up front to stop a good running game. Hyper aggressive defense is fun to a point, but we just became predictable under Williams.
They are still playing hard and no one has quit.
I think Gregg was more of a poisonous presence than Gase.
Fire him in Week 16 and you can interview all candidates ahead of the playoffs.
The franchise would also be able to conduct second interviews with guys like Joe Brady and Robert Saleh because their teams are not in the playoffs.
I assume next week we will hear either that Gase will be fired after the game, or he might even get fired after this game.
With Kotite they announced it going into the last game, Saturday night or Sunday morning. Then we had to wait until after the Super Bowl to even talk to Parcells.
So if we win we won't fire him.....just because we won a game?If we lose, he's fired.
If we lose, he's fired..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201227/468387067d045745963b8730743fff3e.gif)
If we win, he's extended.
If we tie, he's fired and Dowell is extended.
You can feel the firing in the air....exhilarating.
Those are two of my favorite candidates. Sales because I imagine he’s going to be a good CEO leader of a football team, and Brady because he has the chance to be the next great offensive mind and I’d rather hire him now than miss out on him entirely
Ouch
“Coach Gase is a great coach and a great friend. I hope he’s still around (in 2021)” - Tarell BashamWait, I thought all the players hated Gase. That doesn't fit the narrative.
“The players who play for him love to play for him.”
Cut him now.
Wait, I thought all the players hated Gase. That doesn't fit the narrative.
(unless you want to say all GOOD players hate Gase, then...maybe)
Sales CEOSales is to Saleh as Red was to Rex
Wait, I thought all the players hated Gase. That doesn't fit the narrative.
(unless you want to say all GOOD players hate Gase, then...maybe)
Basham wants a job. Gase is more likely to give it to him than a new coach is. I think it’s basically that simpleBingo
Bush has done a nice job with the defense. I wonder if Gase had not had Williams forced on him, and actually hired a playcalling OC rather than a flunky, would he have had more success here?
As someone who can't remember the Kotite era, Gase is easily the worst Jets HC I've experienced.
Kotite was actually worse beginning to end, there were no late season surges to even give you false hope. We went 4-28.
Adam Gase ruined the best quarterback we've ever drafted
Gase did not ruin Chad Pennington
We passed on Pennington twice before taking him. I stand by my statement.
Rich Kotite made a mediocre team terrible. Adam Gase ruined the best quarterback we've ever drafted and turned a young core of players brimming with promise into JAG's and malcontents. And it was obvious he was going to do both before his first day on the job, unless you were intentionally deluding yourself just to enjoy the season.
Adam Gase is the worst coach in Jets history. I don't give a excrement about the record.
We should've passed on Sam Darnold twice (at 3 or if we stayed 6).
HINDSIGHT BABBIE
https://www.jetnation.com/2020/12/28/report-gase-to-be-fired-after-sundays-game-joe-douglas-to-lead-head-coaching-search/
Time to rejoice?You were ready to cut your wrists a few days ago
Based on the way Gase has been talking, I wouldn't be surprised if Gase was told about this weeks ago and was basically asked if he'd rather coach out the season or not.
"Ustadium source". Lol
Seems unlikely. Why would the organization give him that choice?Because they respect him and want to be upfront with him. Everyone knows this season has been terrible. I'm sure it would be a massive elephant in the room if it hadn't been brought up. Midseason coaching changes in the NFL are useless.
Because they respect him and want to be upfront with him. Everyone knows this season has been terrible. I'm sure it would be a massive elephant in the room if it hadn't been brought up. Midseason coaching changes in the NFL are useless.
Schefter said over a month ago that he's gone. Gase admitted publicly he didn't do a good job with Darnold.
I could be wrong. I have no clue. But it seems possible.
Because they respect him and want to be upfront with him. Everyone knows this season has been terrible. I'm sure it would be a massive elephant in the room if it hadn't been brought up. Midseason coaching changes in the NFL are useless.
Schefter said over a month ago that he's gone. Gase admitted publicly he didn't do a good job with Darnold.
I could be wrong. I have no clue. But it seems possible.
I guess maybe. Just seems a bit odd to put such a major decision for the franchise in the hands of the person most affected. Still, if that is what happened he probably hasn't done his stock any harm with the last few weeks - the only blowout was Seattle, and we could very easily have had 4 wins under our belt by now.
He probably wants to coach somewhere, you represent yourself the best you can with the games you have, just like the players.
"Ustadium source". LolInfinitely more respectable than any speculation that Gase isn't being fired.
For sure. I'm not at all questioning Gase's desire to see the season out, I'm questioning why we'd give him the choice.
I hope we beat the Pats and then all the players cheer for Adam Gase and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase and then Woody Johnson parachutes into the stadium and declares Adam Gase coach-GM-for-life and then the girl who dumped Adam Gase in 9th grade shows up and begs his forgiveness and then the players give Adam Gase a Gatorade bath but instead of Gatorade it's those flesh-eating scarabs from The Mummy and then everyone involved laughs and pisses on him as he's slowly devoured and then he goes to the Pearly Gates and his wife and kids are there and they're like yo we killed ourselves just so we could get here first and tell them not to let you in we hate you Dad and then Jesus comes out wearing a Frank Gore jersey and bones Adam Gase's wife right there right in front of him for all eternity.Lot to unpack there.
I hope we beat the Pats and then all the players cheer for Adam Gase and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase and then Woody Johnson parachutes into the stadium and declares Adam Gase coach-GM-for-life and then the girl who dumped Adam Gase in 9th grade shows up and begs his forgiveness and then the players give Adam Gase a Gatorade bath but instead of Gatorade it's those flesh-eating scarabs from The Mummy and then everyone involved laughs and pisses on him as he's slowly devoured and then he goes to the Pearly Gates and his wife and kids are there and they're like yo we killed ourselves just so we could get here first and tell them not to let you in we hate you Dad and then Jesus comes out wearing a Frank Gore jersey and bones Adam Gase's wife right there right in front of him for all eternity.
For sure. I'm not at all questioning Gase's desire to see the season out, I'm questioning why we'd give him the choice.
I hope we beat the Pats and then all the players cheer for Adam Gase and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase and then Woody Johnson parachutes into the stadium and declares Adam Gase coach-GM-for-life and then the girl who dumped Adam Gase in 9th grade shows up and begs his forgiveness and then the players give Adam Gase a Gatorade bath but instead of Gatorade it's those flesh-eating scarabs from The Mummy and then everyone involved laughs and pisses on him as he's slowly devoured and then he goes to the Pearly Gates and his wife and kids are there and they're like yo we killed ourselves just so we could get here first and tell them not to let you in we hate you Dad and then Jesus comes out wearing a Frank Gore jersey and bones Adam Gase's wife right there right in front of him for all eternity.
Lot to unpack there.
I hope we beat the Pats and then all the players cheer for Adam Gase and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase and then Woody Johnson parachutes into the stadium and declares Adam Gase coach-GM-for-life and then the girl who dumped Adam Gase in 9th grade shows up and begs his forgiveness and then the players give Adam Gase a Gatorade bath but instead of Gatorade it's those flesh-eating scarabs from The Mummy and then everyone involved laughs and pisses on him as he's slowly devoured and then he goes to the Pearly Gates and his wife and kids are there and they're like yo we killed ourselves just so we could get here first and tell them not to let you in we hate you Dad and then Jesus comes out wearing a Frank Gore jersey and bones Adam Gase's wife right there right in front of him for all eternity.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201229/f6d1c52e8a24046ab2c03cd2dab80a66.jpg)
I hope we beat the Pats and then all the players cheer for Adam Gase and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase and then Woody Johnson parachutes into the stadium and declares Adam Gase coach-GM-for-life and then the girl who dumped Adam Gase in 9th grade shows up and begs his forgiveness and then the players give Adam Gase a Gatorade bath but instead of Gatorade it's those flesh-eating scarabs from The Mummy and then everyone involved laughs and pisses on him as he's slowly devoured and then he goes to the Pearly Gates and his wife and kids are there and they're like yo we killed ourselves just so we could get here first and tell them not to let you in we hate you Dad and then Jesus comes out wearing a Frank Gore jersey and bones Adam Gase's wife right there right in front of him for all eternity.
I hope we beat the Pats and then all the players cheer for Adam Gase and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase and then Woody Johnson parachutes into the stadium and declares Adam Gase coach-GM-for-life and then the girl who dumped Adam Gase in 9th grade shows up and begs his forgiveness and then the players give Adam Gase a Gatorade bath but instead of Gatorade it's those flesh-eating scarabs from The Mummy and then everyone involved laughs and pisses on him as he's slowly devoured and then he goes to the Pearly Gates and his wife and kids are there and they're like yo we killed ourselves just so we could get here first and tell them not to let you in we hate you Dad and then Jesus comes out wearing a Frank Gore jersey and bones Adam Gase's wife right there right in front of him for all eternity.
We passed on Mahomes, Watson, Brady, Marino, so did just about every other team.
In 47 years watching this team, the best season by far was 1998 with Vinny who we signed as a 35 year old backup. Get a good coach and build the team, then a lot of QBs can succeed.
https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1343997396125163521
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I was right about Gase knowing he's gone.
https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1343997396125163521Free at last
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I was right about Gase knowing he's gone.
Just saw this, at least now we know. It really is like Kotite over again, minus the #1 overall pick and Bill Parcells on the horizon.We'll always have the last 2 weeks of bliss though.
We'll always have the last 2 weeks of bliss though.
Free at last
https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1343997396125163521
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I was right about Gase knowing he's gone.
Even if he hadn’t been told that, did we think Gase was expecting to get extended?i'M nOt EvEn CoNvInCeD hE's GoNe
He’s been coaching like he has one foot out the door all season
i'M nOt EvEn CoNvInCeD hE's GoNeI'm just happy we have a legit source now like Incarcerated Craig.
Adam Gase denies the report that he has already been informed he will be fired. Said that was “news to me” #Jets
He's just towing the line. He's gone next week.
*toeing
Adam Gase denies the report that he has already been informed he will be fired. Said that was “news to me” #Jets
Lying till the bitter end.
Not sure what you expect him to say. It's not his announcement to make.
correct
Not sure what you expect him to say. It's not his announcement to make.
What is this "freak off, mate" excrement from? Some tv show? Are y'all Aussies now?
Also, it's only Craig Carton saying it and he's a knob. If it's known internally why aren't Cimini, Hughes, Costello, even Schefter and Rapoport reporting it?
What is this "freak off, mate" excrement from? Some tv show? Are y'all Aussies now?
What is this "freak off, mate" excrement from? Some tv show? Are y'all Aussies now?
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/30/bill-belichick-sam-darnold-couldnt-get-better-coaching-than-hes-getting/Stop Reporting Belichick's Anti-bulletin Board Rhetoric Challenge
Lying till the bitter end.
Not sure what you expect him to say. It's not his announcement to make.I expect him to pull a Budd Dwyer.
I expect him to pull a Budd Dwyer.
"To be honest, I'm not surprised, and quite frankly I deserve to be fired. I failed this organization in every way possible and I am a excrement head coach."
I expect him to pull a Budd Dwyer.
https://twitter.com/natemendelson/status/1344343332449824768?s=21
In his last 4 seasons as a HC (2 w/ NYJ, 2 w/ MIA), Gase has
- 0 WRs hit 1K yards & a slot WR lead team in yards/targets every year (Landry, Amendola, Crowder 2x)
- 0 RBs hit 800 yards & Gore was leading rusher in 2/4 seasons
- 0 QBs hit 20 TD or 3,100 yds
- 22-41 record
I hope Josh Allen blows his achilles.
Yeah but it's Darnold's fault and Gase was actually pretty good in Miami you knowSome of those numbers are a little misleading because Gase's quarterabck has gotten hurt literally every year. The only QB he's had that's played even 14 games is Jay Cutler, who was replacing an injured Tannehill.
Some of those numbers are a little misleading because Gase's quarterabck has gotten hurt literally every year. The only QB he's had that's played even 14 games is Jay Cutler, who was replacing an injured Tannehill.
Darnold isn't good enough to also have health issues every year, even though counting his mono is a little unfair.
Some of those numbers are a little misleading because Gase's quarterabck has gotten hurt literally every year. The only QB he's had that's played even 14 games is Jay Cutler, who was replacing an injured Tannehill.
Darnold isn't good enough to also have health issues every year, even though counting his mono is a little unfair.
Gase said the no-turnover streak is "a big stride. Would I love for him to have more three- and four-touchdown games? Absolutely, but that's not something we can necessarily control, right?"
You are both...quite literally...in control of this, Adam.
You are both...quite literally...in control of this, Adam.
Oh well...at least we have GoT to look fwd to in a few months
lollllllOptimism climbing.
Can I get a emergency cellphone alert when the firing happens? Like those tornado warnings.I'll send you an arbys coupon
Bruce Feldman @BruceFeldmanCFB
SOURCE: Two of the coaches Nick Saban is considering for Alabama’s soon to be vacant offensive coordinator role: former Jets head coach Adam Gase and former Texans/Penn State head coach Bill O’Brien.
In what universe would you want Adam Gase recruiting for a college program?
I mean I am certain that Saban wouldn't need Gase to recruit much, but I have to believe it would still be in the job description, and who in the world can look at Gase's personality in press conferences and think "Oh yeah 16-18 year olds and their families can't wait to play for that guy"
To be fair I can see some logic to it. I think the one thing that most people seem to agree on is that Gase knows how to draw up plays, it's why he was successful with Peyton - he wasn't the one calling them, or at least when he did he had a QB smart enough to know when it wasn't going to work and to audible to something else.
I think that if someone else is calling the plays and running the room, Gase could be good for young players. He's all about Xs and Os, and I imagine that one of the most important things for high school players transitioning to the college game is learning the structure and discipline of a more complex scheme.
Plus he's probably got a really good coke hookup for them.
freak GaseSandwich guru
He should be working at Jimmy Johns with Ganaway.
Sandwich guru"You ever see a man eyefuck a tuna melt before?"
On field I can see it for sure. But at some point he's going to have to talk to a mom and sell his offense to her as opposed to Florida or OSU or Clemson. I can't see that going well
"You ever see a man eyefuck a tuna melt before?"Gase can toast sandwiches with lasereyes.gif
mj2sexay either gets to be a smug freak or looks like a know nothing poopchute in about a year.
lmao
In 2019, Darnold ranked 8th-best with an adj. comp% of 81.3% from a clean pocket
In 2020, he's 2nd-worst from a clean pocket at 72.8%, better than only Trubisky
This is regression
Obviously I was 100 percent wrong
FYP
That is all.
And the guys you wanted both had worse records their first year then Gase.
That is all.
And the guys you wanted both had worse records their first year then Gase.
That is all.
Imagine spending any effort defending the Adam Gase hire after he was fired.
Texted my dad, "Don't get our season tickets back."My conscience is clear as this is my first post in this thread.
And the guys you wanted both had worse records their first year then Gase.
That is all.
My conscience is clear as this is my first post in this thread.
freak this guy.
Kliff Kingsbury sucks dick too
You’re right, we def should have hired Gase over him
I wanted McCarthy. I am pleased that we didn't get him, and that my error was in the end only hypothetical, unlike yours.
Now we all get a chance to be wrong all over again. It's a fun game that appears to reset itself far more often than is optimal.
Imagine spending any effort defending the Adam Gase hire after he was fired.
I think we'd be in a similar situation, honestly.
Maybe even worse defensively.
Gase is a bum but Kingsbury is ridiculously overrated. He was garbage at Texas Tech too.
First to make the playoffs, Kliff Kingsbury or whatever loser we end up hiring?
First to make the playoffs, Kliff Kingsbury or whatever loser we end up hiring?
Whoever we hire
I think the Cardinals will be a disaster next season
I see a wager formulating..it must include blood.
I see a wager formulating..it must include blood.And a donation to JO server costs
I think we'd be in a similar situation, honestly.
Maybe even worse defensively.
Gase is a bum but Kingsbury is ridiculously overrated. He was garbage at Texas Tech too.
and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase
Reuben foresaw the events in DC
Just happened to be a different group of idiots and a different fired loser.
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I'm told #Jets conveyed to some they're looking for a HC who can oversee the whole team, both sides of the ball & handle the media. Adding, the feeling was previous guy "was a bit over his head" w/that criteria. Source said, "we'll see if they stick w/ that or go w/t same parade"
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I'm told #Jets conveyed to some they're looking for a HC who can oversee the whole team, both sides of the ball & handle the media. Adding, the feeling was previous guy "was a bit over his head" w/that criteria. Source said, "we'll see if they stick w/ that or go w/t same parade"
Is anyone not looking for a HC who can oversee the whole team, both sides of the ball & handle the media? "Actually I just want a guy who knows offense, I don't really care if the defense gives up 50 and then he calls all the beat writers cunts."Honestly, I'm fine with the dynamic we had with Gase/Gregg as long as the coaches get along, and as long as both coaches are very good at what they do.
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I'm told #Jets conveyed to some they're looking for a HC who can oversee the whole team, both sides of the ball & handle the media. Adding, the feeling was previous guy "was a bit over his head" w/that criteria. Source said, "we'll see if they stick w/ that or go w/t same parade"
To be fair to Gase, they forced Gregg Williams (and his son) on him.
freak Gase
It's just a stupid derriere criticism when there's plenty of others to choose from.
Obviously he was bad with the media and horrible with offensive gameplanning and playcalling. Maccagnan and Johnson hired a HC to coach a QB and then didn't let him pick his defensive or special teams staff. That's a disaster waiting to happen.
"Hey Sam, do you like this guy?" That was their interview process after Rhule backed out because of their meddling.
Honestly, I'm fine with the dynamic we had with Gase/Gregg as long as the coaches get along, and as long as both coaches are very good at what they do.
The problem is that we had an offensive-only head coach who coached the worst offense in the NFL.
That's a pretty awful way to run a team and a very natural way to split the locker room.The last good teams we had were led by Rex, and that was his MO.
The last good teams we had were led by Rex, and that was his MO.
kill this thread
Rex made changes on offense. They ran the offense that he wanted and he also put in that stupid derriere Traffic Light offense to limit turnovers.
kill this threadI heard he's coming in for an interview tomorrow.
I heard he's coming in for an interview tomorrow.Gase once spilled potato salad on Kyle Shanahan plate at the coaches meeting
GASE IS THE WORST COACH IN FRANCHISE HISTORY.
I hope someone shits in his coffee
https://twitter.com/jetsopinion/status/1350065451238383624?s=21
Hahahahhah
https://twitter.com/jetsopinion/status/1350065451238383624?s=21
Hahahahhah
cimini - 'adam are you calling plays again? we were watching dowell all game and he was just standing in the background looking short/fat and doing nothing'
A few months ago that 6-2 run was what you were using to justify why we couldn't possibly fire Gase.
If we had fired Gase after 2019 who would probably be our coach now?
Also...Gase and Jamal on the same team again would be freaking hilarious
imagine going from the dumbass annoyances of schotty to the dumb cluelessness of gase
SEA trying to fvck up wilson and DK
imagine going from the dumbass annoyances of schotty to the dumb cluelessness of gase
SEA trying to fvck up wilson and DK
Do you remember when Rex handcuffed Schotty and Sanchez, then Schotty gave the interview about how he could call plays that would have Sanchez throwing for like 400 or 500 yards a game if he was allowed to call them?
Also...Gase and Jamal on the same team again would be freaking hilariousJamal:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210119/3ed8dbb06f5ba5ecbb53ffb0022f854c.gif)
Do you remember when Rex handcuffed Schotty and Sanchez, then Schotty gave the interview about how he could call plays that would have Sanchez throwing for like 400 or 500 yards a game if he was allowed to call them?
I don't think Geno has a cushy TV job waiting for him so he has to ride out the backup role as long as he can. I think Sanchez could have stuck around longer.
Sanchez had a ten year playing career and was 32 when he announced his retirement. He could probably have carried a clipboard for vet minimum for a year or two more, but he wasn't seeing the field except in desperate circumstances.
And somehow we won four road playoff games with him as a novice, beating Rivers, Brady and Manning.Sanchez played well in those games. We asked him to do very little, but he did what he needed to do. Most teams don't have the offensive line, defense, and running game to do what that team did. And we needed all 3 of those pieces to be elite to survive Sanchez.
https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1370537884911087619?s=19
Jesus he sucked.
gase sucked but i'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact that gase and jordan palmer didn't speak. is it a little weird not to speak to your quarterback's offseason QB coach to see how things are going? sure.
let's say they did speak. would that have honestly changed anything with regards to how things turned out this year? no, it woudln't have. that's the gase issue in its simplest terms.
Nothing is for sure but I don't really agree.
Would the Jets have sucked absolutely, would Sam have underperformed still? Probably
But considering Gase is not only the headcoach he was also the offensive coordinator. So it makes sense that you'd want your QB to be practicing/working on certain things more than others based off your offensive plans. And I think this is all compounded 1000% for this year because the impact of covid on OTAs and practices.
I don't think it would have had a monumental impact, but maybe Sam would have done at least a couple or things better.
Who needs input from Jordan Palmer when you have Dowell Loggains sleeping over every weekendI miss Towel
gase sucked but i'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact that gase and jordan palmer didn't speak. is it a little weird not to speak to your quarterback's offseason QB coach to see how things are going? sure.Wouldn't change anything but in retrospect it's another red flag against Gase, and another possible excuse for Darnold.
let's say they did speak. would that have honestly changed anything with regards to how things turned out this year? no, it woudln't have. that's the gase issue in its simplest terms.
freak this guy.
https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1376988931082883072?s=21
I hope Gase chokes on a dickWhy limit it? He can choke on his keys when he trips on his way to knock on Towel's door. He can choke on a potato chip watching game fil for a team he'll never coach against because he'll never coach again. He can choke on his wife's hair while he's dreaming of Manning Daddy explaining him a sprint right option.
https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1376988931082883072?s=21
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Source: Adam Gase has accepted a job at Lincoln High School to become the teams Offensive Coordinator
Lincoln HS is located in Ypsilanti, MI which is Gase’s hometown
only other job he could get after his 'HC of the NYJ' job with us.....was as OC of the high school team of his hometown
what an absolutely horrible, horrible, embarrassing hire for this franchise.
I always wonder with guys like that if they could get better jobs and just choose to have a low-key job like that, or if that's literally the best job he could get.
With Loggains, I think that's the best job he could get. With Gase, it could just be something to do.
Is this TGG?
That's obviously not real
only other job he could get after his 'HC of the NYJ' job with us.....was as OC of the high school team of his hometown
what an absolutely horrible, horrible, embarrassing hire for this franchise.
Man Peyton Manning really carried this guy a long freaking way didn’t he?
That’s actually real?
Jesus I can’t believe he even took the job just on pay alone. What’s he gonna be making as a HS OC in CantSpellIt Michigan? $45,000? Might as well not bother for tax purposes and what I can only assume is money earned from investments
Man Peyton Manning really carried this guy a long freaking way didn’t he?
Also it’s hilarious that Loggains got a better/more impactful job than Gase did on the rebound
I'll put up $100 against anyone saying Gase is our coach for 2021. Loser donates to the site.
I take your bet. It'll be win win either way. If Gase goes, I'll be glad to cough up the $100, if not, your money would be put to good use.8==========D~~~
freak, I had forgot about this 🙈. Money donated already, just confirm to me that you received it. Glad to collaborate with the forum and even more glad that Gase is not longer here 😄
freak, I had forgot about this . Money donated already, just confirm to me that you received it. Glad to collaborate with the forum and even more glad that Gase is not longer here
Hey Mex, I bet you $100 the Jets finish the season with some wins and losses.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210903/90a9c3f2de822086056c0f569f3d5095.jpg)
Hey Mex, I bet you $100 the Jets finish the season with some wins and losses.
0-16-1 here we comeProlly
https://twitter.com/NYJ_Matt/status/1482943002683322368?s=20
He's now ruining high school programs