Post by: MBGreen on November 12, 2019, 09:48:45 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 12, 2019, 10:09:28 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 12, 2019, 10:23:03 AM
That's a lot of money for an agent.
I want to be a sports agent in my next life.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 12, 2019, 11:22:27 AM
I want to be a sports agent in my next life.
You could be the State Farm Aaron Rodgers guy so everyone can hate you more.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 12, 2019, 02:04:01 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 12, 2019, 02:06:08 PM
So the Stros are a bunch of freaking cheaters.
*Pretends to be shocked*
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 12, 2019, 02:06:29 PM
“ Some real CIA type excrement going on in Houston. CF camera, pointed at catcher, players and employees watch the feed just outside the dugout and decode signs. When an offspeed pitch is coming they whack a trash can loud enough for everyone on the field to hear.”
Post by: MBGreen on November 12, 2019, 02:30:49 PM
You could be the State Farm Aaron Rodgers guy so everyone can hate you more.
Hatred is my cocaine
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 12, 2019, 02:31:02 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 12, 2019, 03:01:20 PM
When you remember that the Yankees went 0-4 at Minute Maid park in the 2017 ALCS
This past ALCS, during Tanaka's start, on a few occasions the camera caught him glaring into the Houston dugout after a pitch.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 12, 2019, 03:02:17 PM
Uh, wow.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 12, 2019, 03:07:06 PM
https://twitter.com/jomboy_/status/1194348775965437952?s=21
Uh, wow.
The part at the end about Hinch's comments really seals it. Like he says, "You sound like a pompous dick."
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 12, 2019, 04:14:35 PM
“Regarding the story posted by The Athletic earlier today, the Houston Astros organization has begun an investigation in cooperation with Major League Baseball. It would not be appropriate to comment further on this matter at this time.”
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 12, 2019, 05:29:27 PM
Astros have released a statement:
“Regarding the story posted by The Athletic earlier today, the Houston Astros organization has begun an investigation in cooperation with Major League Baseball. It would not be appropriate to comment further on this matter at this time.”
this sounds like they know they're fvcked lol. if there wasn't anything to a story, they would just come out and say there's nothing there.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2019, 11:10:15 AM
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2019, 01:57:35 PM
LA lost to them in the World Series in 7.(https://i.redd.it/og6oyf8yqby31.jpg)
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2019, 02:17:03 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 14, 2019, 08:29:10 AM
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According to The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich, Red Sox manager Alex Cora and recently hired Mets manager Carlos Beltran both played a “key role in devising the sign-stealing system the team used that season” while they were a part of Houston manager A.J. Hinch’s team.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 14, 2019, 10:56:52 AM
Beltran says their system didn't break any rules. Who could ever believe Cora and Beltran were cheaters?!
Trevor Bauer is having a field day with the story.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 14, 2019, 11:29:59 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 14, 2019, 12:17:28 PM
Unless they send us the 2017 trophy and allow the team to spray champagne around Dodger Stadium, I could give a excrement at this point.
Obviously, you can't erase the past, but if this is something they've been doing, and it goes a lot further than just one postseason at this point, then you've got to stop them going forward.
Personally, I think sign stealing should be banned from the sport altogether. You can't stop a team from noticing a pitcher tipping pitches, but a guy on second shouldn't be allowed to relay pitch selection to a batter, much less the dugout doing it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 14, 2019, 12:23:44 PM
Obviously, you can't erase the past, but if this is something they've been doing, and it goes a lot further than just one postseason at this point, then you've got to stop them going forward.
Personally, I think sign stealing should be banned from the sport altogether. You can't stop a team from noticing a pitcher tipping pitches, but a guy on second shouldn't be allowed to relay pitch selection to a batter, much less the dugout doing it.
I agree but on the other hand it's as old as the dirt. Stop it as much as you can, or change up your signs if you think they're doing it.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 14, 2019, 12:35:26 PM
I agree but on the other hand it's as old as the dirt. Stop it as much as you can, or change up your signs if you think they're doing it.
Obviously, you can't clear it out completely, but if you blanket make it illegal, it's a punishable offense in all cases. That's a significant deterrent. The problem is, MLB has a "you shouldn't do that" attitude, and that just leaves it open for finding "better" ways to do it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 14, 2019, 02:34:02 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 15, 2019, 07:54:41 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 21, 2019, 08:26:55 PM
Uhhhhh
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 22, 2019, 01:00:59 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 22, 2019, 03:06:23 PM
I don't want to hear any arguments about "Other teams cheat too." This goes way beyond what any other team does and had an incredible (and arguably incalculable) impact. Put an asterisk next to their division titles, league pennants, and their World Series, sure, but their farm system should be crippled for the next decade.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 22, 2019, 03:19:11 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 22, 2019, 06:51:05 PM
Their farm system should be decimated for this.
I don't want to hear any arguments about "Other teams cheat too." This goes way beyond what any other team does and had an incredible (and arguably incalculable) impact. Put an asterisk next to their division titles, league pennants, and their World Series, sure, but their farm system should be crippled for the next decade.
Let the hate flow through you
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 22, 2019, 06:51:53 PM
Explains how we gave up 13 runs in a World Series game.
Pretty good evidence out there that they used this system in that WS
Post by: mj2sexay on December 04, 2019, 01:51:30 PM
Wheeler to Philly, 5 yrs at 118.
That's a big investment in Wheeler, but he's young, you know he can handle the division and he's on an upward trajectory. Not a bad move for Philadelphia. They might not have a bonafide ace, but Nola-Wheeler is a nice top of the rotation.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 23, 2019, 08:06:08 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2019, 08:59:14 PM
Ryu signed with the Jays. If he stays healthy he's a great pickup, good hitter too and can put a bunt down. Guess that doesn't help you in the beer league.Ryu was promoted to the Show...thanks for your business
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 23, 2019, 09:03:25 PM
Ryu was promoted to the Show...thanks for your business
'The Show" in a 3rd world country. Like a soccer player joining the Ecuadorian A league.
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2019, 09:15:05 PM
'The Show" in a 3rd world country. Like a soccer player joining the Ecuadorian A league.Nope...it’s called the AL...and it’s better
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 24, 2019, 09:20:22 AM
Nope...it’s called the AL...and it’s better
Be kind. Not everyone can accept facts like climate change, round earth, stupidity of pitchers hitting.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 24, 2019, 09:50:07 AM
Be kind. Not everyone can accept facts like climate change, round earth, stupidity of pitchers hitting.
And a lot of people aren't smart enough to employ strategy in the game so just remove it. Why learn something when you can just make it go away?
Post by: MBGreen on December 24, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
Be kind. Not everyone can accept facts like climate change, round earth, stupidity of pitchers hitting.
It's bad enough pitchers have to dodge screamer line drives when they're on the mound, imagine having to deal with getting beaned as well. The NL is terrible.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 24, 2019, 10:01:31 AM
And a lot of people aren't smart enough to employ strategy in the game so just remove it. Why learn something when you can just make it go away?
Who hurt you?
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 24, 2019, 10:05:27 AM
It's bad enough pitchers have to dodge screamer line drives when they're on the mound, imagine having to deal with getting beaned as well. The NL is terrible.
Imagine honing your craft and becoming elite at it to the point where you feel like you could strike out a Mike Trout at will. Then you get drafted by a team that forces you to bat against a guy just like you.
On the other hand, maybe you get excited because for the years you're under team control before free agency, you know you're facing the weakest lineups in the sport with an automatic out after every 8 batters. That'll do wonders for your first FA contract!
Post by: guinness77 on December 24, 2019, 11:09:10 AM
Post by: guinness77 on December 24, 2019, 11:14:00 AM
What does it matter if your only job is batting every hour or so. Why bother learning to field. Get rid of bunting. Make the decisions a manager has to make disappear. Let’s just dumb the sport down even more.
Let’s do automatic bases from now on. One of these pampered millionaires might spike himself running the bases.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 24, 2019, 11:31:39 AM
Lol. So, batting for a pitcher literally seems like the worst thing on the planet ever. What are these guys, complete pussies? God forbid THEY bean someone. They get to hide on the bench. Must be nice
The whole point is managing the game around the pitcher's spot, after the starter gets an at bat or two. Using your bench, making decisions, makes the late innings a lot more interesting. People obsessing over those early 1 or 2 at bats are missing that part.
Post by: guinness77 on December 24, 2019, 11:38:43 AM
The whole point is managing the game around the pitcher's spot, after the starter gets an at bat or two. Using your bench, making decisions, makes the late innings a lot more interesting. People obsessing over those early 1 or 2 at bats are missing that part.Like I said...dumbing things down.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 24, 2019, 11:50:36 AM
Post by: guinness77 on December 24, 2019, 01:07:23 PM
The only real sport is hockey.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 24, 2019, 02:11:10 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 24, 2019, 09:43:13 PM
Ryu was promoted to the Show...thanks for your business
Bruh have you followed the Dodgers the past few years? I don’t think a 34 yr old pitcher coming off the best years of his career, going to an inferior team in a better division is a promotion.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 24, 2019, 09:46:14 PM
Baseball is such an awesome sport. Be in shape. Hell, don’t be in shape.
What does it matter if your only job is batting every hour or so. Why bother learning to field. Get rid of bunting. Make the decisions a manager has to make disappear. Let’s just dumb the sport down even more.
Let’s do automatic bases from now on. One of these pampered millionaires might spike himself running the bases.
This is a lazy take. We don’t care that Darnold doesn’t have to play defense. Or would you prefer he takes snaps at safety just so he’s a well rounded football player?
Post by: Miamipuck on December 24, 2019, 09:52:06 PM
The only real sport is hockey.
This and only this.
Post by: MBGreen on December 24, 2019, 10:13:14 PM
Bruh have you followed the Dodgers the past few years? I don’t think a 34 yr old pitcher coming off the best years of his career, going to an inferior team in a better division is a promotion.He’s 32
Post by: guinness77 on December 25, 2019, 08:03:39 AM
This is a lazy take. We don’t care that Darnold doesn’t have to play defense. Or would you prefer he takes snaps at safety just so he’s a well rounded football player?I don’t know when QBs played safety (or any defense for that matter, even Scott Bakula only played QB in Necessary Roughness) but pitchers have always batted for themselves.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 25, 2019, 12:06:01 PM
He’s 32
Plus he’s Asian, so he’s really like 28-29. Fair enough
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 17, 2020, 02:50:35 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 17, 2020, 04:33:42 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 21, 2020, 11:56:34 AM
Jeter
Bonds
Clemens
Manny
Schilling
Jeff Kent
Billy Wagner
Larry Walker
Andruw Jones
I bolded Kent because with the exception of Schilling who I still think eventually gets in, I find him to be the guy that's just absolutely completely overlooked. Dude is the most prolific power hitting second baseman in the history of the game. Compare his numbers with Ryne Sandberg who skated to the Hall and tell me he doesn't belong.
Post by: guinness77 on January 21, 2020, 04:04:34 PM
mj2sexay's hall of fame ballot which is worth infinitely more than the writers because they're a bunch of ignorant, over-sensitive, pretentious douchebags:Jeff Kent was universally hated by journalists, the players and his coaches. He’s definitely a hall of famer though. All that other excrement shouldn’t matter. I think Schilling should easily be a HoFer too but he’s not liked either.
Jeter
Bonds
Clemens
Manny
Schilling
Jeff Kent
Billy Wagner
Larry Walker
Andruw Jones
I bolded Kent because with the exception of Schilling who I still think eventually gets in, I find him to be the guy that's just absolutely completely overlooked. Dude is the most prolific power hitting second baseman in the history of the game. Compare his numbers with Ryne Sandberg who skated to the Hall and tell me he doesn't belong.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 21, 2020, 04:47:05 PM
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/reno911/images/7/75/Dangle.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20090314230151)
Not anymore.
Post by: IATA on January 21, 2020, 09:32:44 PM
barry and clemens should get in by year 10, but if they dont its simply because they were freaking pricks too
theres no way the writers are going to keep david ortiz and alex rodriguez out, 2 well known juicers when it was actually banned, so theyll lose the steroids excuse
Post by: IATA on January 21, 2020, 09:33:08 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 22, 2020, 11:48:14 AM
i wonder if the chicken excrement idiot who didnt vote for jeter is going to come forward?
Never going to happen. How can you explain it? The only possible excuse is that he/she wanted to give that vote to a "fringe player" rather than "waste it" on a sure-thing inductee. But then that returns the question of "who?" Did you think a 'roider like Clemens or Bonds deserved that vote? Or maybe you thought "Hey, Bobby Abreu had a 'good enuff' career."
I'm unquestionably biased on this one, but FFS, what could be the justification that Jeter didn't deserve to be a 1st-ballot HoFer? Because that's exactly what you're saying when you leave him off your ballot, no matter how you try to justify it.
Post by: Gorilla on January 22, 2020, 12:57:21 PM
I'm unquestionably biased on this one, but FFS, what could be the justification that Jeter or Willie Mays or Ted Williams or Hank Aaron or Babe Ruth or Mike Schmidt or Joe DiMaggio or Nolan Ryan or Sandy Koufax etc etc didn't deserve to be a 1st-ballot HoFer? Because that's exactly what you're saying when you leave him off your ballot, no matter how you try to justify it.
FYP, haha.
Basic reason is that baseball writers are sanctimonious, self-important dipshits.
I didn't expect Jeter to be a unanimous choice (because BBWAA "reasons"), and I'm extremely satisfied that he had the highest percentage ever after Mo.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 22, 2020, 01:25:20 PM
Basic reason is that baseball writers are sanctimonious, self-important dipshits.
Quoted for truth X's 1 million.
A bunch of Dan Shaughnessy's. I didn't think I could dislike someone through their writing at NBC more than I did Florio, then I spent 10 minutes on hardballtalk. Look up sanctimonious poopchute in the dictionary and there's Craig Calcaterra.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 22, 2020, 01:34:47 PM
FYP, haha.
Basic reason is that baseball writers are sanctimonious, self-important dipshits.
I didn't expect Jeter to be a unanimous choice (because BBWAA "reasons"), and I'm extremely satisfied that he had the highest percentage ever after Mo.
Obviously, every guy you mentioned, and then some, deserved to be unanimous. But I "understand" why they weren't (the old "Ruth wasn't uni, so nobody can be" argument). Today, in the post-Rivera world, the excuse is gone. You can't change the past, but you can be better going forward.
I can't stand that writers vote on player awards. That goes for HoF, MVP, Cy Young, whatever. SFD recently made a comment about Michael Kay being an idiot who hasn't played since tee-ball. How does a guy like him (not him specifically, I don't know if he gets a vote) have the right to judge a guy who spent the best years of his adult life hitting 90MPH fastballs?
Post by: Gorilla on January 22, 2020, 04:13:32 PM
Today, in the post-Rivera world, the excuse is gone. You can't change the past, but you can be better going forward.
This is a great point, and I totally agree.
Again, I'm happily surprised that Jeter only missed by one vote to almost match Mariano. So hopefully it puts the spotlight on that one vote-snubber.
Will he acknowledge his shameful scarlet letter, or will he wear it as a badge of misplaced "honor"?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 23, 2020, 09:35:04 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 23, 2020, 11:00:57 AM
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SOURCE: #Rockies GM Jeff Bridich’s seat is now scorching hot. Facing pressure, Rockies are opening back up talks. Arenado told Rockies to either add for playoffs or trade him, and they did neither. #Mets and #Dodgers in discussions in addition to current front-runner #Cardinals
Rangers in as well
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 23, 2020, 11:05:23 AM
Rangers in as well
Really wish the Yankees would throw their hat in that ring. They don't have the same prospects as those other clubs, but they could take on the entire salary which is a selling point.
Post by: MBGreen on January 23, 2020, 11:26:32 AM
Really wish the Yankees would throw their hat in that ring. They don't have the same prospects as those other clubs, but they could take on the entire salary which is a selling point.Nah..you’re good
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 23, 2020, 01:40:51 PM
Nah..you’re good
Great really. But there's no harm in being better.
Post by: MBGreen on January 23, 2020, 01:41:58 PM
Great really. But there's no harm in being better.
veto
Post by: guinness77 on January 23, 2020, 01:56:32 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 23, 2020, 02:35:47 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 23, 2020, 03:01:31 PM
Now....for Arenado, I’d be open to trading anyone not named deGrom or Alonso. I love McNeill, i would hate to trade him, but for a guy this good, in his prime, I’d pull the trigger.
your GM was about to trade McNeill for Cano last year
Post by: Badger on January 23, 2020, 03:34:34 PM
Nah..you’re goodBut I want him
Post by: MBGreen on January 23, 2020, 05:06:53 PM
But I want himVeto
Post by: guinness77 on January 23, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
your GM was about to trade McNeill for Cano last yearYeah, he’s a moron.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 25, 2020, 09:54:15 AM
He gone
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 04, 2020, 09:13:57 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/wmur9/status/1057716754590380033
How freaking dumb are these degenerates
I knew there would be karma for this
https://twitter.com/barstoolhubbs/status/1224879061736022018?s=21
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 05, 2020, 10:08:56 AM
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BREAKING: Pete Rose asks MLB for reinstatement, cites no punishment for Astros players for electronic signs-stealing. "There cannot be one set of rules for Mr. Rose and another for everyone else," Rose's 20-page petition to Manfred says.
100% agree
Let Pete Rose into Cooperstown!
Post by: mj2sexay on February 05, 2020, 10:15:58 AM
Don't get me wrong, I think Verdugo is an exceptional talent. Betts is one of the three best players in baseball.
IS you gotta be foaming at the mouth for the season to start. Dodgers are absolutely S T A C K E D.
As for the Rose stuff, let him in. And the fact that Shoeless Joe continues to stay out for "fixing" the world series ( I wish A-Rod threw some of those playoff series in that fashion, it'd have been a huge upgrade considering jackson hit freaking .375) is a joke.
The Hall of Fame has become a joke. Yes to Harold Baines but no to Curt Schilling. LMAO OK.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 05, 2020, 10:31:20 AM
100% agreeYeah, with all the other scandals, it's long overdue for him to get in. No one is doubting he earned it on the field.
Let Pete Rose into Cooperstown!
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 05, 2020, 10:41:11 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 05, 2020, 11:38:38 AM
The Red Sox deserve whatever misfortune happens to them in the Betts aftermath. How do you sell that bag of turds to your fanbase?
Luxury Tax Champs
Post by: guinness77 on February 05, 2020, 11:44:24 AM
Red Sox about to relive the Butch Hobson era!The HoF has become nothing more than a popularity contest amongst the members of the media.
Don't get me wrong, I think Verdugo is an exceptional talent. Betts is one of the three best players in baseball.
IS you gotta be foaming at the mouth for the season to start. Dodgers are absolutely S T A C K E D.
As for the Rose stuff, let him in. And the fact that Shoeless Joe continues to stay out for "fixing" the world series ( I wish A-Rod threw some of those playoff series in that fashion, it'd have been a huge upgrade considering jackson hit freaking .375) is a joke.
The Hall of Fame has become a joke. Yes to Harold Baines but no to Curt Schilling. LMAO OK.
Post by: guinness77 on February 05, 2020, 11:45:11 AM
Luxury Tax ChampsLook at all the cap space the Sawx have now! Their fans should be dancing in the streets.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 05, 2020, 12:07:58 PM
https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/2/5/21123730/mookie-betts-red-sox-trade-los-angeles-dodgers (https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/2/5/21123730/mookie-betts-red-sox-trade-los-angeles-dodgers)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 10, 2020, 10:43:31 AM
More detailed account of the case:
https://highheelsonthefield.typepad.com/all_heels_on_deck/2019/02/dodgers-after-dark-the-sexual-assaults-mlb-never-investigated-a-teams-culture-unexamined.html
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 10, 2020, 10:50:28 AM
He'll fit right in with Boston.
Post by: MBGreen on February 11, 2020, 07:56:27 AM
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/02/10/report-mlb-planning-radical-changes-to-playoff-format/
Post by: Johnny English on February 11, 2020, 10:25:37 AM
Looks like Manfred wants to change the playoff format (add more teams). Not sure how i feel about this yet.Looks more like Manfred desperately wants a distraction from people talking about how badly he fucked up the Astros debacle.
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/02/10/report-mlb-planning-radical-changes-to-playoff-format/
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 11, 2020, 10:48:13 AM
I hadn't thought it about it earlier, but JE might be right. Manfred might just be looking for a way to end the Astros story. He certainly triggered Trevor Bauer.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 11, 2020, 11:23:25 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 11, 2020, 11:38:41 AM
I'm not necessarily opposed to expanding the playoffs, but I also don't think it's necessary. It might even be bad for the sport. The top seeds would be off for a week. This isn't like football. Baseball players are used to playing almost every day.
I hadn't thought it about it earlier, but JE might be right. Manfred might just be looking for a way to end the Astros story. He certainly triggered Trevor Bauer.
Looks more like Manfred desperately wants a distraction from people talking about how badly he fucked up the Astros debacle.
it's gonna take a lot more than a playoff format change to divert attention away from the Astros cheating scandal.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 11, 2020, 01:16:00 PM
Under new playoff rules, over last 6 seasons, 3 of those years teams under .500 would have qualified for the playoffs
In the words of Joe Girardi: "It's not what you want."
it's gonna take a lot more than a playoff format change to divert attention away from the Astros cheating scandal.
Oh, I don't think JE or myself are under that illusion.
Post by: MBGreen on February 11, 2020, 01:36:53 PM
Oh, I don't think JE or myself are under that illusion.
Tough to say...not sure you or JE can be trusted.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 11, 2020, 03:56:08 PM
Tough to say...not sure you or JE can be trusted.
Well, speaking for myself, no I cannot be trusted. But I still don't think anything short of an OJ-style murder is going to divert attention from the Astros debacle this season.
Post by: Johnny English on February 11, 2020, 04:03:17 PM
it's gonna take a lot more than a playoff format change to divert attention away from the Astros cheating scandal.For sure, but what else is he supposed to do? Other than strip the Astros of their WS title and suspend every player involved, obviously. Can't do that.
It's going to be so much fun watching the pitching against them this season. Hope they're investing in good armor.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 11, 2020, 09:33:49 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 11, 2020, 09:34:37 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 12, 2020, 08:34:52 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on February 12, 2020, 09:37:49 AM
Post by: delavan on February 12, 2020, 04:22:48 PM
For sure, but what else is he supposed to do? Other thanWhy not JE?
strip the Astros of their WS title
and suspend every player involved, obviously. Can't do that.
It's going to be so much fun watching the pitching against them this season. Hope they're investing in good armor.
Post by: Johnny English on February 12, 2020, 05:04:17 PM
Why not JE?I'm being sarcastic. Everyone knows that that's what he should have done, but he's a puppet of the owners and presumably they don't want that.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 13, 2020, 09:49:58 AM
I'm being sarcastic. Everyone knows that that's what he should have done, but he's a puppet of the owners and presumably they don't want that.
I don't think that's why.
I think it's probably because he didn't expect it to be as bad as it was, and he offered immunity to all the players if they fully cooperated. They did, so he had to keep his end of the bargain.
He painted himself into a corner. It was stupid, but there's not much he can do about it. Honestly, there's been enough front-office anger that I wouldn't be surprised if other teams look to replace him when his contract is up, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least a few owners--especially those directly affected, like LA and NYY--felt the title should be vacated.
I think the only way Manfred saves his own job at this point is if he magically turns around the popularity of the sport. I'll just go ahead and say now that I highly doubt expanding the playoff format will do that.
Post by: Johnny English on February 13, 2020, 10:10:22 AM
I don't think that's why.
I think it's probably because he didn't expect it to be as bad as it was, and he offered immunity to all the players if they fully cooperated. They did, so he had to keep his end of the bargain.
He painted himself into a corner. It was stupid, but there's not much he can do about it. Honestly, there's been enough front-office anger that I wouldn't be surprised if other teams look to replace him when his contract is up, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least a few owners--especially those directly affected, like LA and NYY--felt the title should be vacated.
I think the only way Manfred saves his own job at this point is if he magically turns around the popularity of the sport. I'll just go ahead and say now that I highly doubt expanding the playoff format will do that.
I'm still betting it's the owners. My guess is that there are plenty of other organisations with skeletons they don't want uncovering, and taking drastic actions against the Astros might lead to the people being punished saying "freak you, if I'm going down I'm taking everyone else I can with me". Much better for them to sweep it all under the carpet and hope the fans move on.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 13, 2020, 10:19:08 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 13, 2020, 10:31:46 AM
I'm still betting it's the owners. My guess is that there are plenty of other organisations with skeletons they don't want uncovering, and taking drastic actions against the Astros might lead to the people being punished saying "freak you, if I'm going down I'm taking everyone else I can with me". Much better for them to sweep it all under the carpet and hope the fans move on.
I think if that were the case, teams would be telling players: "Look, what's done is done. We can't change it, so let's just answer with 'It sucks, but what can you do?' and let's move on."
The thing is, yes, every team has some skeletons, but this story was unbelievably bad--and getting worse. As bad as steroids were, I don't think that even compares to this. Being able to work out longer, recover faster, and even maybe gain some in-game skill enhancement is nothing compared to a professional hitter knowing exactly what pitch is coming.
Pros can hit a fastball. They can hit a curveball or a slider. But what makes it hard is that they don't which is coming. If you guess fastball, you swing before the ball gets there. If you guess curve, you swing when the ball's hitting the catcher's mitt. That's the only thing that makes a live game different from batting practice. CC Sabathia hit home runs in BP.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 23, 2020, 09:11:19 AM
"I just found out we don’t have to come these other days. If I would have known that 15 years ago, I wouldn’t have been coming for a while now," he said.
Post by: IATA on February 23, 2020, 09:20:51 AM
Zack Greinke reported today and said today is final day players can report.
"I just found out we don’t have to come these other days. If I would have known that 15 years ago, I wouldn’t have been coming for a while now," he said.
i believe him, dudes my kind of people. stay away from other people as much as possible
Post by: IATA on February 23, 2020, 09:21:29 AM
giants are still going to suck this year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 26, 2020, 08:26:35 PM
Taiwanese pitcher Chih-Jung Liu has been bottled up in a Florida hotel room since his arrival from overseas, as the Red Sox are using “an overabundance of caution,” a team spokesperson told the Boston Globe.
Liu, 20, is the second Boston player to be quarantined by the organization after fellow countryman, infielder Tzu-Wei Lin, was quarantined earlier this month due to worries over the virus that is believed to have originated in China.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2020, 08:18:55 AM
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The Angels fired their longtime visiting clubhouse manager after an internal investigation confirmed that he was providing opposing pitchers with illegal ball-doctoring substances. MLB, which vows to enforce that rule this season, tipped them off. ...
Lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 01:37:48 PM
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Curveball porn
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 07:35:35 AM
No
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Post by: AlioTheFool on March 19, 2020, 05:08:40 PM
Chris Sale Tommy John
Wow.
But while there's never a "good" time for it, this is a "good" year if you're ever going to have to go through it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2020, 12:05:33 PM
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Post by: AlioTheFool on March 25, 2020, 01:33:39 PM
https://twitter.com/mlbonfox/status/1242572528717086720?s=21
Manny Ramirez??
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2020, 08:35:28 PM
Manny Ramirez??(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200327/3183bd356e728e9b25aab118077dc24e.jpg)
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 27, 2020, 11:25:50 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 03:52:00 PM
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The players and league agreed the 2020 MLB season won't begin until:
- There are no bans on mass gatherings that limit the ability to play in front of fans*
- There are no travel restrictions
- Medical experts determine games will not pose a risk to health of teams and fans
* The caveat agreed to by the players and league is that they will consider playing games at neutral sites instead of home ballparks -- and will consider the feasibility of playing in empty stadiums and just how proper a solution it may be for both sides and especially fans.
-Passan
Welp
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2020, 05:40:54 PM
Welp
Also, there's the problem of the international border. If you lot lift your ban on gatherings but are still a mess, and Canada goes "nah brah, you ain't bringing that excrement back up here", then you potentially have to play without the Jays. And what's the point then?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 10:40:54 PM
Also, there's the problem of the international border. If you lot lift your ban on gatherings but are still a mess, and Canada goes "nah brah, you ain't bringing that excrement back up here", then you potentially have to play without the Jays. And what's the point then?
I really hate the idea of no season and I’m sure Jays fans do too. We lose a season of service time on our young, cheap core with no development to show for it.
Post by: Pope on March 28, 2020, 12:56:45 AM
My guess is no fans in seats until the all star break where they allow everyone to attend and all systems go after that
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 28, 2020, 10:23:42 AM
They can play games without fans in attendance. I think calling the season gone is a long shot.
My guess is no fans in seats until the all star break where they allow everyone to attend and all systems go after that
Plz
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 28, 2020, 10:46:29 AM
They can play games without fans in attendance. I think calling the season gone is a long shot.
My guess is no fans in seats until the all star break where they allow everyone to attend and all systems go after that
So everything will be like Marlins games.
Post by: Badger on March 28, 2020, 10:43:07 PM
Also, there's the problem of the international border. If you lot lift your ban on gatherings but are still a mess, and Canada goes "nah brah, you ain't bringing that excrement back up here", then you potentially have to play without the Jays. And what's the point then?Just gotta play the Orioles twice as much I guess.
Post by: Johnny English on March 28, 2020, 10:52:07 PM
Just gotta play the Orioles twice as much I guess.You're scared of Bo and Vlad. I get it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 08:20:34 AM
You're scared of Bo and Vlad. I get it.
We’d be sacrificing 40+ HRs if we don’t get a full slate of games against that Jays pitching staff
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 21, 2020, 07:18:07 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 21, 2020, 08:45:41 AM
I’ve been coping alright, but I miss Papa Slams
Dodgers are the only pro team I have with any kind of chance at a title, Kershaw isn't getting any younger.
Post by: IATA on April 22, 2020, 01:45:31 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 22, 2020, 02:08:07 PM
ah darn, this was probly the dodgers year, too.
I laughed because i actually pictured you saying this out loud....with the perfect amount of snark.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 22, 2020, 02:09:58 PM
It was worse for Seton Hall, this was their first chance to really make a mark in decades and it got taken away from them. For the Knicks and Devils it just put them out of their misery early.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2020, 10:18:58 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 06, 2020, 12:51:18 PM
I’m Ready Let’s Go
Post by: MBGreen on May 06, 2020, 01:13:13 PM
Per @JeffPassan, teams are telling their players to “get ready.” There is an expectation that @MLB will announce a plan for the 2020 season within the next week.
I’m Ready Let’s Go
Daddy needs this
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 06, 2020, 02:50:59 PM
LFG
Post by: Pope on May 06, 2020, 03:13:31 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 06, 2020, 03:15:24 PM
Pro: we're going to hear every scream of pain from every beanball that finds its mark
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 02:45:17 PM
Post by: IATA on May 08, 2020, 10:11:31 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 11, 2020, 01:47:12 PM
Now is when it starts to get serious. And we'll know soon enough if baseball is actually coming back in 2020.
Passan
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 14, 2020, 08:57:17 AM
I always knew Snell was a massive player of the pink oboe
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 14, 2020, 11:45:44 AM
https://twitter.com/jflan816/status/1260721297522339843?s=21
I always knew Snell was a massive player of the pink oboe
I disagree. I think he's right. He made his point in a shitty way, but I agree with the substance of the argument.
Why do the players have to sacrifice salary they'll never recoup? And be sequestered from their families (or put their families' health at risk)? And risk injury while at reduced pay?
We're in a crazy world and emotions play a big part of people's perceptions of situations. Unemployment is skyrocketing, so no one wants to hear a millionaire cry about his lost income, but Tony Clark is right, player salaries aren't tied to revenue. And the owners wanted it that way. When times were good and owners were making money hand-over-fist, they didn't want to share. Well, what goes around, comes around.
Pay the players.
Post by: MBGreen on May 14, 2020, 12:28:49 PM
https://twitter.com/jflan816/status/1260721297522339843?s=21
I always knew Snell was a massive player of the pink oboe
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@TBTimes_Rays
#Rays Snell said he thinks concern over #coronavirus is being over-hyped by media: “If I get it, it I get it.”
1:31 PM · Mar 11, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
Post by: guinness77 on May 14, 2020, 12:38:16 PM
My wife is a soccer coach and she’s raised $6,000 for groceries for the town’s food harvest and the line is pretty long every day and these guys are gonna complain? Sorry but that’s a bunch of bullshit and goes to show you how out of touch they are with the people who usually spend a few hundred bucks just to watch a 9-inning game.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 14, 2020, 12:52:40 PM
I disagree. I think he's right. He made his point in a shitty way, but I agree with the substance of the argument.
Why do the players have to sacrifice salary they'll never recoup? And be sequestered from their families (or put their families' health at risk)? And risk injury while at reduced pay?
We're in a crazy world and emotions play a big part of people's perceptions of situations. Unemployment is skyrocketing, so no one wants to hear a millionaire cry about his lost income, but Tony Clark is right, player salaries aren't tied to revenue. And the owners wanted it that way. When times were good and owners were making money hand-over-fist, they didn't want to share. Well, what goes around, comes around.
Pay the players.
I didn’t say I disagree with 100% of what he’s saying. He talks like a prick and he comes off as entitled and selfish.
I don’t buy that he’s worried about the health risks. He very clearly says he would be fine with playing if he was making his full salary.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 14, 2020, 12:53:12 PM
Thank you
Post by: Badger on May 14, 2020, 02:48:58 PM
Snell sounds kind of like a dick here but don't miss the forest for the trees.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 14, 2020, 05:49:56 PM
That’s funny, I’m making less money because of all this, I’m way more at risk at getting this than an MLB player is and I have to bring home that chance to my family every day from work. Play your kid’s game and make 10 million a year instead of 15 million a year for just one year.
My wife is a soccer coach and she’s raised $6,000 for groceries for the town’s food harvest and the line is pretty long every day and these guys are gonna complain? Sorry but that’s a bunch of bullshit and goes to show you how out of touch they are with the people who usually spend a few hundred bucks just to watch a 9-inning game.
As I said, human emotion is going to cloud your opinion on a topic like this. You're not wrong, but he's not wrong for implying "Pay me my entire salary or I'm joining the inevitable picket line and everybody loses."
The difference between us and him is that we can't afford to lose a year's salary and unfortunately, due to the nature of his job, he's far less replaceable than you or me.
BTW, your wife is awesome.
I didn’t say I disagree with 100% of what he’s saying. He talks like a prick and he comes off as entitled and selfish.
I don’t buy that he’s worried about the health risks. He very clearly says he would be fine with playing if he was making his full salary.
He absolutely came off as a prick, no arguments there.
As far as the health risks, I can't speak for him, but even if he is worried, players will be tested at least a few times a week, if not daily, so he's got far less to worry about than the rest of us, and he likely knows that.
How much does money does Stuart Sternberg stand to bring in from a partial season at zero risk to himself?
Snell sounds kind of like a dick here but don't miss the forest for the trees.
Exactly. Snell shows the same out-of-touch attitude that many athletes do ("How am I going to feed my kids?") but the reality is, no one is saying the owners should sacrifice anything. The closest to that anyone comes is saying "Millionaires and billionaires fighting over billions are both going to look awful here."
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 14, 2020, 05:54:09 PM
Post by: IATA on May 14, 2020, 07:28:58 PM
why should snell and his teammates risk any long term health effects for a fraction of their salary?
forreal, it sucks your wives are having to deal with this and whatever, but how the freak is that snell or the players problem? they are there to make money too, they just happen to be making more of it.
freak the owners, their greed is whats going to cost us the season in the end, not covid.
Post by: guinness77 on May 14, 2020, 07:56:50 PM
Thanks by the way, Alio. I definitely married up.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 15, 2020, 12:02:02 AM
They all make a lot of money to play a child’s sport so I don’t feel one iota of sorriness for either party. Almost every aspect of society has felt this, either emotionally or financially, so what makes them special? Because they can hit a baseball or throw a curve? freak all of them, they can make a little less money, just like the rest of us schlubs. Not sucking my own rooster, but I’m still working my derriere off through all this. No OT, no bartending gig, boo-hoo, right?
Thanks by the way, Alio. I definitely married up.
I am with you bro, right there.
Post by: IATA on May 15, 2020, 09:46:43 AM
its not just the dudes making 10 million a year who would suddenly make only 2-3 million. it's the dudes making minimum who are gonna be making 25% too.
people are mad at snell because of how he presented his argument, but he was on freaking twitch answering a question.
Post by: MBGreen on May 15, 2020, 10:03:26 AM
Post by: IATA on May 15, 2020, 11:01:37 AM
The players refusing to play should be about safety....not about money. As soon as it becomes about money, the players look like retards. This applies to the owners too.
why? because they make more than you?
Post by: MBGreen on May 15, 2020, 11:06:09 AM
why? because they make more than you?
they make more than everybody. Take a look at the unemployment rates before asking that question.
"Bryce Harper might lose a few million off his contract from Fort Knox....Ohhh Nooozz"
Post by: IATA on May 15, 2020, 11:16:56 AM
do the owners go back and offer them more money when the teams make more? no.
the players already agreed to a pro-rated portion, the owners regret that decision and want to go back on their word and redo the deal they offered in the first place. thats bullshit, utter bullshit. you open a can of worms by even considering this, that has far more consequences in the future.
Post by: MBGreen on May 15, 2020, 11:21:27 AM
theyre gonna make more than you no matter what, the money really means nothing to me here. i have no vested interest in their negotiations outside wanting to see baseball be played.
do the owners go back and offer them more money when the teams make more? no.
the players already agreed to a pro-rated portion, the owners regret that decision and want to go back on their word and redo the deal they offered in the first place. thats bullshit, utter bullshit. you open a can of worms by even considering this, that has far more consequences in the future.
the owners are going to get what they want whether it's right or wrong. That will never change.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 15, 2020, 11:52:43 AM
My comments on Snell stand alone.
Look up what Sean Doolittle or Andrew Miller said if you want a player’s take who isn’t a complete lady garden
Post by: guinness77 on May 15, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
Please, that’s laughable. freak the owners, freak the players. My interest in baseball was waning as it was, the fact that no one’s willing to budge on this makes me care so little that, and not that they need my interest or money, I doubt I’ll care much when they do eventually play.
Post by: IATA on May 15, 2020, 12:28:00 PM
its akin to MTA cutting service, and then once the salary guys agreed to just get a pro-rated payment for when they worked, the MTA was like "no, you also will only get 25% for working your normal shifts"
Post by: Jumbo on May 15, 2020, 01:12:31 PM
Post by: guinness77 on May 15, 2020, 01:14:23 PM
again, theyve already agreed to a pro-rated portion, theyve already bended and compromises. now the owners are asking for even more cutbacks, which is the problem.This is the third time I’m saying this now. Not getting OT has cut my paycheck. I don’t make MLB money, but this is costing me, probably, on average, $750 a month. That might not seem like much, but it is. And, if there was no pandemic, the ridership would still the same, the revenue would still be there and we’d still be getting OT. It’s not written into our contract that OT can be frozen but, here we are, there are no funds, so they can’t give OT.
its akin to MTA cutting service, and then once the salary guys agreed to just get a pro-rated payment for when they worked, the MTA was like "no, you also will only get 25% for working your normal shifts"
Listen, I don’t really care about any of this. It’s just not a good look for either side, considering what’s going on in the World right now. Everybody has had to sacrifice in many different ways. Anybody in any sport, owners or players, have to realize there are a lot of Average Joes and Janes who are gonna have Campbell’s Soup for dinner tonight. People who, never in a million years, thought they’d be standing in line for milk or eggs or cereal, but...they are. It’s about time (and minimum salary is more than a half million so spare me the soapbox excrement) these pampered individuals realize that and they BOTH make some concessions.
Post by: MBGreen on May 15, 2020, 01:19:57 PM
This is the third time I’m saying this now. Not getting OT has cut my paycheck. I don’t make MLB money, but this is costing me, probably, on average, $750 a month. That might not seem like much, but it is. And, if there was no pandemic, the ridership would still the same, the revenue would still be there and we’d still be getting OT. It’s not written into our contract that OT can be frozen but, here we are, there are no funds, so they can’t give OT.
Listen, I don’t really care about any of this. It’s just not a good look for either side, considering what’s going on in the World right now. Everybody has had to sacrifice in many different ways. Anybody in any sport, owners or players, have to realize there are a lot of Average Joes and Janes who are gonna have Campbell’s Soup for dinner tonight. People who, never in a million years, thought they’d be standing in line for milk or eggs or cereal, but...they are. It’s about time (and minimum salary is more than a half million so spare me the soapbox excrement) these pampered individuals realize that and they BOTH make some concessions.
Well said.
And i'm sorry about your OT, man....that really sucks.
Post by: guinness77 on May 15, 2020, 01:27:20 PM
Well said.It’s ok. We’re making it through and no ones sick so I feel grateful for that. I can still pay my bills and afford groceries. It’s more than what a lot of other people can say, for sure.
And i'm sorry about your OT, man....that really sucks.
Post by: Badger on May 15, 2020, 01:30:52 PM
the owners are going to get what they want whether it's right or wrong. That will never change.Cuck excrement
Post by: MBGreen on May 15, 2020, 01:34:09 PM
It’s ok. We’re making it through and no ones sick so I feel grateful for that. I can still pay my bills and afford groceries. It’s more than what a lot of other people can say, for sure.
I'm glad to hear it. I can't imagine being at the epicenter of this excrement....stay safe, dude.
Post by: MBGreen on May 15, 2020, 01:34:34 PM
Cuck excrement
take it like a man
Post by: guinness77 on May 15, 2020, 02:07:34 PM
I'm glad to hear it. I can't imagine being at the epicenter of this excrement....stay safe, dude.I feel like it’s gotten better. The level of depravity on the trains seems to have dissipated in the last few weeks. My wife is out of work and had to sacrifice some $$ to drop unemployment and sign back on so her job could qualify for the PPP. That basically guarantees she’ll have a job when things “re-open.” Other than that, her teaching the kids, and not being able to see our family and friends everything is seemingly normal on my end. Not bartending on Saturdays is certainly costing me money too, but I can’t lie, it’s nice having the entire weekend off.
Post by: Badger on May 15, 2020, 02:09:45 PM
I'm glad to hear it. I can't imagine being at the epicenter of this excrement....stay safe, dude.My friends on the east coast, look to the skies and care for your families.
My friends to the north, look to the horizon and find shelter.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 16, 2020, 02:51:21 PM
Painting a picture of a $10 billion industry shuttered by the contagion, the 12-page document titled "Economics of Playing Without Fans in Attendance" and dated May 12 was an initial step in negotiations aimed at starting the delayed season around the Fourth of July.
Teams say the proposed method of salvaging a season delayed by the coronavirus pandemic would still cause a $4 billion loss and would give major league players 89% of revenue.
They contend they lose more money with each additional game played. The players' union, however, believes clubs would lose less money with more games. In addition, many teams and/or their owners have stakes in their regional sports network that would benefit from additional games.
The New York Yankees alone would have $312 million in local losses when calculating their earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization. New York's figure includes about $100 million in payments toward the bonds that financed new Yankee Stadium.
The Los Angeles Dodgers were at $232 million in local losses, followed by the New York Mets at $214 million, Chicago Cubs at $199 million and Boston Red Sox at $188 million.
The Detroit Tigers would have the lowest negative EBIDTA -- an accounting measure used to assess profitability -- at $84 million, with Baltimore at $90 million, and Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay at $91 million each. Figures exclude distributions from the central office, which projects to collect $1.34 billion in media revenue.
The figures were calculated by MLB and its clubs, and the frequently skeptical union already has requested a slew of documents from MLB.
MLB said 2019 revenue was 39% local gate and other in-park sources, followed by 25% central revenue, 22% local media, 11% sponsorship and 4% other.
Teams fears a second wave of the coronavirus would devastate finances if renewed government restrictions cause cancellation of the postseason, which brings in $787 million in media money. The document details who pays what: $370 million by Fox, $310 million by Turner, $27 million by ESPN, $30 million by the MLB Network and $50 million from international and other.
Teams project to increase their debt from $5.2 billion last year to $7.3 billion in 2020, leaving most clubs out of compliance with the labor contract's debt service rule. MLB's central office increased debt by $550 million to support clubs and is seeking $650 million more credit. MLB said many teams do not have the capacity to add more debt to fund losses in 2021.
MLB and the union agreed to a March 26 deal in which players would get a prorated share of their salaries during a shortened season. As part of the agreement, $170 million in salaries are being advanced through May 24. If the season is scrapped, players are guaranteed service time equal to what they accrued in 2019, a key to gaining eligibility for salary arbitration and free agency.
Now that plans have been formulated to possibly start the season in early July in disinfected stadiums with no gate revenue, at least at the start, MLB says the current economics are not feasible. Players have said they already made a deal and see no need for change.
But that deal is contingent on playing in front of fans at regular-season ballparks. The agreement committed both sides to "discuss in good faith the economic feasibility of playing games in the absence of spectators or at appropriate neutral sites."
Still, for all the questions, the presentation does detail the pandemic's financial destruction.
Revenue from regional sports networks drops in proportion to the lost games, from $2.3 billion to $1.2 billion and an average of $980,000 per game for both teams, according to the projection. Teams fear some additional losses because the regional networks will have to give up games to Fox and ESPN to fulfill national contracts. MLB said rights holders have already reserved rights to stop payments or demand refunds if agreed to inventory is not delivered.
Player salaries under the March 26 deal average $1.67 million per game for both clubs. MLB projects overall local revenue at $1.23 million a game for both teams and cost at $1.87 million.
MLB headed into the season projecting $9.967 billion in revenue, including $7.548 billion at the local level, according to the presentation.
Expenses totaled $10.234 billion: $4.366 billion for major league player compensation, $198 million for pensions and benefits, $537 million to sign amateurs, $4.73 billion in local expenses and $403 million for the central office.
That left MLB with a projected EBIDTA of $143 million after stadium depreciation and noncash add backs. Free cash flow was predicted at negative $95 million after interest expenses, mandatory principal payments and non-baseball income and losses, but excluding capital improvements. MLB says EBIDTA has been within $250 million of break-even annually since 2010.
Under the newly developed plan, MLB projects revenue at $2.87 billion, including $1.522 billion at the local level.
Expenses drop to $6.819 billion: $2.36 billion for major league player compensation, including salaries, prorated shares of signing bonuses, termination pay and buyouts of declined options.
Post by: guinness77 on May 23, 2020, 11:04:25 PM
I didn’t really know where to put this but it’s a really good read about Gregg Jeffries and why he didn’t make it in NY and in that generation. And, yes, I swung a bat underwater for little league.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 26, 2020, 06:51:50 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 26, 2020, 07:51:17 PM
https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1265422054880358402?s=21
How much are the owners giving up?
There ain't gonna be baseball in 2020.
Post by: IATA on May 27, 2020, 04:30:03 PM
There's no way baseball happens this year, no freaking way the players should or would accept that terrible deal.
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 12:32:41 PM
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Roger Ehrenberg
@infoarbitrage
I've done a bunch more thinking about the @MLB @MLBPA negotiation, fueled by readers' comments as well as a deeper think on the dynamics between the parties. It also helped me reframe the players' position relative to how most people (and certainly I) had thought about it. /1
For starters, let's be clear. The disagreement is about how to best pay for losses sustained by a business. It is no more complex than this. The owners have suffered losses and face additional losses before prospects are likely to improve. This is what we're dealing with. /2
In business, when this happens, the owners of the business need to figure out how to pay for these losses. Sometimes businesses have enough cash to deal with them, other times they don't. Let's for the moment assume that the baseball owners don't have the cash. Now what? /3
I offered some suggestions in yesterday's post. But I should have started with first principles and asked: what is the best metaphor for baseball players in an ordinary business? I kept throwing around the term "employee" but this actually isn't correct - they're DEBTHOLDERS /4
This is when the light bulbs went off. The players aren't at-will employees, they're akin to buyers of bonds who help finance businesses. Rather than give cash upfront for future repayment, they give services. /5
But just as companies can't normally disavow this obligation, neither can the owners. So to be clear, this isn't like a normal business either firing their employees or forcing pay cuts to generate financing, the owners have the contractual obligation to pay. /6
Just like the relationship between businesses and their bondholders. And when businesses run into trouble, they have to negotiate with their bondholders and try to induce them to restructure these obligations - unless they declare bankruptcy, which is a different matter. /7
So as I said yesterday's post, this really reduces into how owners finance current and projected losses. But the status of the players heavily impacts their negotiating position, which is actually stronger than I had fully internalized. /8
So what are the possibilities? To extend the debholders' metaphor, owners could offer a mix of lower cash payments (salary cuts) in exchange equity upside (higher % of future share of revenues for a period, a share of the increase in appraised team values post-recover, etc.). /9
The owners hold the equity. The players hold the debt. If the owners can't pay the debt, the owners need to offer some of their equity. Either the owners have the wherewithal to pay the debt (bank loans, issue new debt, sell part of team) or they don't. /10
And if they don't, then the debtholders' should rightly assume that in exchange for relief they should get a piece of the equity. As mentioned, this can be through a royalty (revenue share) structure or an increase in asset value (appraise team values) approach. /11
But these are just mechanics. The dynamics are crystal clear. Hopefully this is helpful to @MLB @MLPBA and the players who have commented such as @Max_Scherzer and @BusterPosey. /12
One more thought for those who think both sides suck because of the "millionaires vs. billionaires" narrative separate from principle. All across the globe "the best at x" in the world receive large amounts of money. It could be athletes, media stars, executives, whatever. /13
The fact that athletes perform in front of live crowds, and have contracts, is what makes their presence so powerful, and the lack of their presence so galling. But we are all part of this system. This is how they're valued by society. It's not their "fault." /14
They are taking what society gives them. So sure, I get that the optics are bad, but that's really not the point. They're players, parents, children, siblings, friends - they're normal people. They just happen to be among the rare few who can do what they do. Let's play ball! /15
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 01:13:50 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 09:49:10 PM
Important note from the MLBPA's proposal. It has a season start date of June 30. Players want three weeks for training. Bake in a few days to travel to cities -- domestically and from around the world -- and for coronavirus testing. The point: a deal needs to get done this week.
Passan
Post by: IATA on May 31, 2020, 10:53:44 PM
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Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 12:15:55 AM
yo i so hope they do it, can you imagine the hype of like a freaking christmas eve world series game? kershaw choking in game 7 on christmas eve would be it for me, i'd just die from all the blood exploding out of my erectionI would pillage a Tim Horton's in your memory
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 01, 2020, 12:30:01 AM
for the past 3 months, all involved in baseball management and baseball media have deliberately gone out of their way to ensure that the scandal goes unmentioned, undoubtedly a hopeful attempt to try and make us forget about it. this excrement still weighs heavily on my mind, as im sure it does for many other fans, anytime anything MLB-related is brought up. fck this sport
Post by: MBGreen on June 01, 2020, 07:05:05 AM
there was a point in my life where i never thought i would say anything like this, but i literally would not care if baseball were never to restart, this season or ever again. over the past few years despite trying his darndest to improve the game, manfred has done nothing but worsen it. the icing on the cake was the way he handled the astros cheating scandal prior to all of this, which was a fckin travesty.
for the past 3 months, all involved in baseball management and baseball media have deliberately gone out of their way to ensure that the scandal goes unmentioned, undoubtedly a hopeful attempt to try and make us forget about it. this excrement still weighs heavily on my mind, as im sure it does for many other fans, anytime anything MLB-related is brought up. fck this sport
yeah but...that hot piece of derriere JLo is gonna be your new owner soon.
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 01, 2020, 07:16:43 AM
yeah but...that hot piece of derriere JLo is gonna be your new owner soon.
if JLo and Arod buy the Mets, i may start to watch baseball/the mets again. i don't even care if they don't accomplish much as owners; getting the wilpon filth out of NY will be a huge victory in and of itself. i'd celebrate it like a fckin title
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 07:29:33 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 08:14:26 AM
if JLo and Arod buy the Mets, i may start to watch baseball/the mets again. i don't even care if they don't accomplish much as owners; getting the wilpon filth out of NY will be a huge victory in and of itself. i'd celebrate it like a fckin title
JLo and Arod have enough money to buy the Mets, but not nearly enough money to own the Mets. Not without a significant investor.
Source: sports Franchise finance expert on the FAN the other week when this news broke
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 08:15:56 AM
Also getting to watch deGrom every 5 days would be enough to make me forget about the shitty owners for a bit
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 04:17:02 PM
Passan
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 04:42:17 PM
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Jeff Passan
The potential season Major League Baseball envisions would run somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 regular-season games, sources told ESPN. The exact number is being considered, but the aim would be to return in July. It would be less than half of players’ proposed season length.
Jeff Passan
An important clarification to this news: MLB will continue discussing alternatives to the shorter season with players but believes that its March agreement with players allows it to mandate a shorter season and is prepared to use that option in the absence of a deal with MLBPA
Ya, that's a load of excrement. 50 games is freaking pointless...
Post by: IATA on June 02, 2020, 05:57:21 PM
(https://i.redd.it/esnj0g4axj251.png)
Post by: IATA on June 04, 2020, 12:51:14 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 05, 2020, 12:43:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUhSYLRw14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-zgoffDeBY
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 01:18:41 PM
Post by: IATA on June 08, 2020, 10:42:08 AM
@karlravechespn
MLB has made proposal to Players. 75 percent Prorated salary. 76 game season. Playoff pool money. No draft pick compensation for signing player. Season finishes September 27th. Post season ends at end of October. Significant move towards players demands and effort to play more.
but then
Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
The #MLBPA considers #MLB's latest offer a "step backwards''. They guaranteed 50% pay with possibility of earning 75% prorated salary. Also in proposal, per @karlravechespn, 76-game season, playoff money and no draft pick compensation for free agency.
Post by: IATA on June 08, 2020, 10:49:28 AM
@EvanDrellich
The MLBPA regards today’s offer from MLB to be worse than the league’s last because it shifts greater emphasis on risk sharing in the postseason. Players would receive 50 percent of pro rata if there is no postseason, 75 if there is.
@karlravechespn first on a new offer coming
@EvanDrellich
Put another way, MLB’s offer can be said to represent a 50 percent per-game pay cut with a potential upside of a 25 percent cut.
Post by: IATA on June 08, 2020, 10:50:14 AM
Post by: IATA on June 08, 2020, 10:53:11 AM
@Buster_ESPN
A voice on the players' side responding to the owners' latest proposal: "This offer should have been in April and it would have been rejected." There is concern among some of the moderates on the players' side that rather than pull the two sides closer, it will serve to entrench.
rip season
Post by: IATA on June 08, 2020, 11:08:47 AM
@TheCUTCH22
Lol
but mlb thinks they can force the players to pay a 48game season
Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
MLB knows now that no way it can start July 4 weekend. The 76-game proposal will last about a week. Feels like moving toward 48-54 game season that MLB believes players are obligated to play as long as full prorated salaries are paid.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 08, 2020, 05:16:47 PM
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- 82 games at sliding scale = ~33% salary
- 50 games at prorated pay = ~33% salary
- 76 games at 75% prorated pay = (drumroll) ~33% salary
It all comes back to the same place. MLB keeps making the same offer in different forms.
Axisa
Post by: Heismanberg on June 09, 2020, 10:54:29 AM
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Heard from multiple front office types that a team with a top-10 pick is at least considering punting the draft. That would include taking a player in the first round who they don’t intend to sign. (They would still offer the minimum required to net a comp pick for next year.)
Post by: IATA on June 09, 2020, 10:59:03 AM
im not sure the point, theyve already agreed to delay signing bonuses and excrement, it seems like a new way to try and freak the players.
Post by: MBGreen on June 09, 2020, 03:16:55 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 09, 2020, 04:35:46 PM
Post by: IATA on June 09, 2020, 07:41:48 PM
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The Major League Baseball Players Association is making a proposal to Major League Baseball for a season of 89 games with a full prorated share of salary and expanded playoffs, sources familiar with the situation told ESPN's Jeff Passan.
It would bring the sides closer to a potential deal as it is 25 games fewer than the union's last proposal of 114 games at full pro rata, sources told Passan.
MLB proposed on Monday a 76-game season that would cover up to 75% of players' prorated salaries.
This newest MLBPA proposal would have the season start on July 10 and end on Oct. 11, a source tells ESPN's Jesse Rogers. It would also expand the postseason to 16 teams (8 in each league) for 2020 and 2021.
Like MLB's proposal on Monday, this offer has the players sharing in a pool of at least $50 million if playoffs are played without fans.
The proposal also includes opt out rights for all players. Players who are 'high risk' or reside with a 'high risk' individual are entitled to full service and salary in the event they opt out.
Players with no high-risk concerns may opt out, but without service or salary. High-risk qualification would be determined by MLB/PA in consultation with medical experts.
Players are also committing to providing broadcast enhancements for both regular season and post season games.
MLB's latest proposal to players on a return-to-play economic package on Monday offered a higher potential salary than the last plan but less guaranteed money over a 76-game season.
Players and officials at the MLBPA quickly scoffed at the proposal, which was obtained by ESPN, continuing the gridlock that has prevented MLB from returning after a coronavirus-related delay to the beginning of its season.
If the sides are unable to agree to a deal, the league has the ability to implement a schedule of its desired length. It has focused recently on a potential 48-game season, sources told ESPN.
By Jeff Passan
bold is why mlb will reject it
a forced 48game season will be absolutely awful and do more damage to the game than skipping the season.
Post by: MBGreen on June 10, 2020, 07:08:57 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 15, 2020, 05:10:20 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on June 16, 2020, 06:51:07 AM
Post by: Badger on June 16, 2020, 07:15:28 AM
I need baseball.Kidnap Mark Shapiro a la Christmas Vacation
Post by: MBGreen on June 16, 2020, 07:33:07 AM
Kidnap Mark Shapiro a la Christmas Vacation
haha
Post by: Jumbo on June 16, 2020, 08:20:26 AM
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Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 01:22:37 PM
Post by: IATA on June 22, 2020, 05:01:05 PM
Jesse Rogers
@JesseRogersESPN
Sources tell @JeffPassan and I players have voted against the league's latest proposal to play 60 games. The vote was 33-5 against.
welp
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 22, 2020, 05:08:22 PM
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Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 05:15:02 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 05:24:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 22, 2020, 05:28:34 PM
We're not getting sports this year, boys
That's a nonsensical statement. Literally all sports are happening except baseball, and that probably will as well.
NHL: restarting next month in host cities
NBA: restarting next month in Disneyworld
NFL: on track to start as scheduled
All European soccer: restarted already
So basically you've lost the end of the NHL season, and the front half of the already massively bloated MLB season.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 05:32:54 PM
That's a nonsensical statement. Literally all sports are happening except baseball, and that probably will as well.
NHL: restarting next month in host cities
NBA: restarting next month in Disneyworld
NFL: on track to start as scheduled
All European soccer: restarted already
So basically you've lost the end of the NHL season, and the front half of the already massively bloated MLB season.
I have a hard time seeing how all three of the NHL, NBA, and NFL will play. I wouldn't be shocked if we don't get any of them.
After just a few days of trying to prep for college football, several programs are inoperable because large portions of their rosters have or have been exposed to COVID-19. How do you expect it to be any different with these pro rosters?
All it takes is one player on a roster to test positive (whether they are asymptomatic or not) and the whole locker room is in a excrement spot. We're seeing it now with CFB teams and we saw it previously with the Utah Jazz.
I just don't see it happening.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 22, 2020, 05:36:03 PM
It's wishful thinking.
There will be all kinds of issues.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 22, 2020, 07:14:54 PM
#OpenFuddruckers
Post by: MBGreen on June 22, 2020, 07:33:39 PM
We back
Post by: Badger on June 23, 2020, 08:21:05 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2020, 08:45:08 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2020, 08:50:53 AM
The Trevor Bauer / Aubrey Huff exchange was entertaining
Post by: IATA on June 23, 2020, 12:54:32 PM
Bauer murked him, and it was phenomenal.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2020, 08:02:22 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2020, 09:16:21 PM
Curt Schilling has entered the chat
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 24, 2020, 08:52:20 AM
https://twitter.com/gehrig38/status/1275532982502203398?s=21
Curt Schilling has entered the chat
Curt Schilling has deleted his Tweet.
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 12:20:04 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 24, 2020, 12:22:15 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 24, 2020, 01:03:32 PM
@Feinsand
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15h
The Trade Deadline will indeed be August 31. Players must be on the roster by September 15 in order to be eligible for Postseason play.
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 02:41:47 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 03:10:58 PM
New Texas Rangers stadium
$1.2 Billion
Edit:
https://twitter.com/b1rky/status/1275815018899165184?s=21
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 03:15:23 PM
Post by: IATA on June 24, 2020, 05:08:23 PM
A metal shed with mismatching sides and doors cost $1.2 billion dollars.
Post by: IATA on June 24, 2020, 05:10:17 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/multiple-blue-jays-players-staff-members-test-positive-covid-19/I can't see any way the Jays play in Toronto now. It was already unlikely but this just ices the whole idea.
I'd be flabbergasted if the full schedule gets played at this rate.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 05:11:40 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 05:42:10 PM
That stadium is going to be HOT AS excrement with that kind of roof.
Meant to follow up when I saw the inside but forgot.
Interior view looks way better. You can’t even tell that aluminum siding looking excrement is see through.
https://twitter.com/rangers/status/1274084617474228226?s=21
On May 20, 2016, the Rangers announced that they intend to move from Globe Life Park to the new Globe Life Field, beginning with the 2020 season. The new air conditioned stadium will feature a retractable roof, which many argue could increase stadium revenue from those who would otherwise not want to sit in the heat during games as the season progresses throughout the hot Texas summer, in particular those that occur in the afternoon.
That exterior tho... makes me feel better about Metlife.
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 05:48:15 PM
That exterior tho... makes me feel better about Metlife.
All I ever see:
(https://i.imgur.com/7GX5qRl.png) (https://i.imgur.com/B0099Kd.png)
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 05:51:16 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 06:23:01 PM
Yeah, Metlife looks so terrible
Looks beautiful when you’re a zillion beers and multiple maple whiskey shots deep
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 06:43:32 PM
Looks beautiful when you’re a zillion beers and multiple maple whiskey shots deep
Maybe one day Heismanberg will come and find out for himself... nah, who am I kidding?
Post by: MBGreen on June 24, 2020, 07:08:35 PM
Maybe one day Heismanberg will come and find out for himself... nah, who am I kidding?You gotta make it worth his while....bring a bag of shrimp chips to the tailgate
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 08:25:54 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2020, 09:33:19 PM
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 10:03:40 PM
All I ever see:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200625/cd61aa6e64e44b06d672e2ace54cb6a9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7GX5qRl.png) (https://i.imgur.com/B0099Kd.png)
Post by: IATA on June 24, 2020, 10:42:01 PM
https://twitter.com/HoodieBoomstick/status/1275805780374097965
Post by: IATA on June 25, 2020, 12:31:44 PM
Cronk.
@cdgoldstein
absolutely wild* how now that a schedule has been implemented, like 40% of teams have immediately been like "oh, no we're planning on getting butts into seats" when the entire negotiating premise was "THAT ENTIRE PORTION OF OUR REVENUE IS GONE, ASSHOLES"
*predictable
once again, the owners are all freaking trash and i halfway hope the mlb goes under at this point.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 25, 2020, 03:14:46 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 11, 2020, 07:51:16 AM
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Major development for Blue Jays: Vlad Guerrero Jr. will now focus on first base this spring per Charlie Montoyo
"He's going to focus on 1B and DH." Third will be an option, but not his main position anymore.
Post by: delavan on July 11, 2020, 10:12:21 AM
We’re getting my uncle a Washington Nationals WS patch jersey for his 70th bday and I’m pretty pumped about it. He’s a diehard Nats and Skins fan, he was a Nationals fan when he was a kid way back when they were originally in DC before they moved to Minny and became the Twins in the 60’s. Tells me the story all the time how he was just waiting for them to come back basically his whole life. Guy has been rocking a “NATS FAN” license plate my entire life, since before they even moved the Expos to DC to become the Nats
Just a 'Nats' sidebar. Since your uncle's hitting 70 he probably can recall that the Nats (Nationals) were also an NBA franchise out of Syracuse.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/1958–59_Syracuse_Nationals.jpeg/640px-1958–59_Syracuse_Nationals.jpeg)
Post by: MBGreen on July 12, 2020, 10:04:27 AM
Jays play the Mets in September.
Post by: Johnny English on July 12, 2020, 10:37:08 AM
Post by: delavan on July 19, 2020, 07:40:03 PM
Jays could be playing in Buffalo by the looks of it, sounds like the government is playing hardball on the border crossings.
Nobody circles the bases like the Buffalo Bluejays.
Today, Rachel Robinson's 98th birthday
https://twitter.com/sharonarobinson/status/1284931372117884935
Post by: IATA on July 20, 2020, 09:34:15 AM
Looking forward to my cell phone bill going up because theres no revenue from the jays.
Post by: delavan on July 20, 2020, 10:33:52 AM
Jays looking for an MLB stadium to play in, instead now.
Looking forward to my cell phone bill going up because theres no revenue from the jays.
https://twitter.com/ScottyMitchTSN/status/1285202717707833344
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 21, 2020, 08:47:54 AM
You freaking love to see it
Post by: MBGreen on July 22, 2020, 01:31:42 PM
@JonHeyman
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20m
Betts, Dodgers agreement is for 12 year extension for about $350M. Just finalizing.
Post by: IATA on July 22, 2020, 09:58:42 PM
Post by: Badger on July 23, 2020, 07:41:32 AM
PA turns down the Jays, theyre still homeless. sounds like they may just be racking up frequent flyer miles this yearToronto Hobos
Post by: Heismanberg on July 23, 2020, 08:57:51 AM
Toronto Hobos
They should relocate to Austin and play beneath the overpass
Post by: MBGreen on July 23, 2020, 10:22:54 AM
@JonHeyman
Blue Jays have the approval of the Orioles to use Camden Yards. They need the state of Maryland sign off on it but that appears to be their best hope for an MLB park to call home at the moment.
Post by: MBGreen on July 23, 2020, 10:58:34 AM
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Buster Olney
@Buster_ESPN
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2m
As part of the 16-team expanded playoff proposal, the No. 1, 2, 3 seeds in each league— the Division winners— would pick their opponents among the other 5 teams, with a selection show.
what is this trash?
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 23, 2020, 11:02:12 AM
what is this trash?
mlb leadership
Post by: MBGreen on July 23, 2020, 11:06:59 AM
mlb leadership
freak everything
Post by: Badger on July 23, 2020, 12:54:10 PM
Backyard baseball
what is this trash?
Post by: Badger on July 23, 2020, 12:56:28 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 23, 2020, 01:02:00 PM
This is what making chicken salad out of chicken excrement looks like, fellas
Geg Williams is insulted by your post
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 23, 2020, 01:05:10 PM
and follow it up with rob manfred
Post by: Badger on July 23, 2020, 01:24:26 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 23, 2020, 01:28:40 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1286365378067783683?s=19
Yankees cheating already.
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 23, 2020, 05:29:52 PM
Post by: Badger on July 23, 2020, 09:22:50 PM
https://twitter.com/MLB/status/1286480954412892166?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 23, 2020, 10:13:04 PM
this is the perfect year for a pitcher to need/have TJ surgery done
Sale/Severino/Syndergaard agree.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 23, 2020, 10:14:14 PM
The replies
https://twitter.com/MLB/status/1286480954412892166?s=19
Racist MLB fans coming for racist NFL fans throat
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2020, 05:27:36 AM
Racist MLB fans coming for racist NFL fans throatM-m-m-marxists!
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 07:40:46 AM
xo,
The Toronto Hobos
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2020, 08:46:22 AM
Happy Opening Day!Toronto Trotskyists
xo,
The Toronto Hobos
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 11:08:38 AM
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2020, 11:14:29 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 11:17:36 AM
looks like it'll be the Buffalo Blue Jays afterall.
I'm not upset about that, I'd rather they were giving money to their affiliate than their competition.
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2020, 11:19:47 AM
I'm not upset about that, I'd rather they were giving money to their affiliate than their competition.
the players will hate this
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2020, 11:26:53 AM
the players will hate this
(https://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/crying-money-woody-harrelson-zombieland.gif)
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2020, 01:13:06 PM
looks like it'll be the Buffalo Blue Jays afterall.Buffalo Blue Cheese Wings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2020, 04:53:55 PM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2020, 08:12:17 AM
-Passan
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2020, 08:13:07 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2020, 08:14:25 AM
Post by: IATA on July 27, 2020, 08:16:29 AM
Eight more players and two coaches with the Miami Marlins have tested positive for COVID-19, as an outbreak has spread throughout their clubhouse and brought the total of cases in recent days to at least 14, sources familiar with the situation tell me and @JesseRogersESPN.
-Passan
i cant believe they played the game last night. so now philly is also fucked.
its the beginning of the end a week in. wooo florida once again fucks everything up.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 08:21:30 AM
i cant believe they played the game last night. so now philly is also fucked.
its the beginning of the end a week in. wooo florida once again fucks everything up.
Stop being a Marxist
Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2020, 08:38:07 AM
@JonHeyman
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6m
About 40 percent of Marlins active players are now positive for Covid. Heard 11 Marlins players have now tested positive. @JesseRogersESPN
and @JeffPassan
first reported 8 new ones which would make 12 of 30.
it's over, grover.
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2020, 09:16:02 AM
Stop being a MarxistIATA is technically a Marxist-Hortonist with Canadian characteristics
Post by: Heismanberg on July 27, 2020, 09:18:00 AM
IATA is technically a Marxist-Hortonist with Canadian characteristics
A Tim Hortonsist?
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2020, 09:20:22 AM
A Tim Hortonsist?That's the joke
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Post by: MBGreen on July 27, 2020, 01:17:09 PM
https://twitter.com/JakeM0NTGOMERY/status/1287751936301826050
lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2020, 07:35:09 PM
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PHILADELPHIA—Lamenting that it was just not the same without the communal atmosphere of a live game, thousands of Phillies fans reported Monday that the closing of Citizens Bank Park has forced them to be content verbally threatening their friends and family. “I’m glad baseball is back, but screaming at my daughter to sit the freak down is a poor substitute for the experience of harassing strangers at a ballpark,” said local fan Mike D’Amato, who revealed that without the outlet of going to see baseball live, he had to spend the afternoon whipping beer bottles at his dog and intentional bumping into his son before challenging him to a fight. “Live games just have this energy you can’t replicate. When I shove my kid into a wall and threaten to put him in a wheelchair for life, it doesn’t have the same sense of excitement as it does with another fan. Sure, I can still get drunk, but yelling ‘homo’ at my wife isn’t as fulfilling as yelling from the stands at Juan Soto.”
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2020, 08:59:41 PM
Hahaha
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 07:40:09 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 28, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
what can fans of baseball do to try and remove rob manfred from baseball
guy is always on TV either saying 'trust me/trust us' or 'i only wish i could something about ____' - type statements, and the results and following events are always bad
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 11:22:20 AM
what can fans of baseball do to try and remove rob manfred from baseball
They can buy a majority of the teams in the league and elect a new commissioner. He's the guy the owners picked, he's doing what they want, and he's very conveniently taking the heat for them.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2020, 11:34:55 AM
I see a lot of people complaining about Manfred’s incompetence (he is horrible), but not many realistic solutions.
The same people complaining were the ones dying to have the sport come back as soon as possible.
This is not directed at DS, more Facebook/Twitter fans.
Post by: IATA on July 28, 2020, 11:51:32 AM
Marlins have had four additional players test positive, sources tell The Athletic.
@lindseyadler
MLB source confirms that tonight’s Yankees-Phillies game has been postponed. Some Phillies players are still waiting for test results.
@Ken_Rosenthal
In team vote, vast majority of Nationals players voted against going to Miami for three-game series this weekend, sources tell The Athletic. Decision will rest with MLB.
Post by: IATA on July 28, 2020, 11:52:50 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 28, 2020, 11:53:13 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 28, 2020, 06:59:43 PM
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 11:56:11 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 30, 2020, 12:40:34 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2020, 01:43:10 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 31, 2020, 08:28:29 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 31, 2020, 09:01:51 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 31, 2020, 09:03:41 AM
Shane Bieber is DOMINATING
His K cut up from yesterday was outstanding
Cleveland’s farm has been insane at producing SP recently
Post by: Johnny English on August 02, 2020, 12:26:38 PM
Looks like the Marlins are the only problematic team, and they haven't had any new positives for a couple of days.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 02, 2020, 03:21:32 PM
Phillies have had no positive tests in three days and believe the two they did have were false.
Looks like the Marlins are the only problematic team, and they haven't had any new positives for a couple of days.
https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1290011283387895809?s=21
Post by: Badger on August 02, 2020, 03:52:08 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 02, 2020, 04:34:05 PM
https://twitter.com/NYDNSports/status/1290025360529260545?s=19
lmfao
as much as i revel in the ineptitude of the franchise, all of the blame here can't be laid upon them; rob manfred deserves a lot of credit. something like this could only happen to the mets though
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 07, 2020, 12:04:21 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2020, 09:33:21 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2020, 12:21:44 PM
Quote
#Tigers announce Casey Mize, Tarik Skubal and Isaac Paredes will make their MLB debuts this week.
Believe those guys are all top 100 prospects. 1st two are pitchers
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2020, 01:12:58 PM
https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1295353377073897472?s=21
https://twitter.com/1clebaseballfan/status/1292985868257505288?s=21
-Clevinger, after Plesac got outed, but before everyone knew he was also at the bar
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2020, 01:24:05 PM
I wonder if they’re done there
Post by: Johnny English on August 17, 2020, 02:04:55 PM
Oliver Perez threatened to opt out if the Indians brought back Clevinger or Plesac
I wonder if they’re done there
Lindor's pissed as well. I can't see them getting cut though, it's just an idiotic discipline issue. Just got to serve their time on the naughty step.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2020, 02:26:51 PM
Lindor's pissed as well. I can't see them getting cut though, it's just an idiotic discipline issue. Just got to serve their time on the naughty step.
Nah, not cut. Clevinger was already a speculative trade target.
Plesac did an Instagram live where he blamed the media for how they’re portrayed.
This whole thing is a mess. Now the latest talk is that Indians aim to keep them at the alternate site long enough to rob them of a year of service time.
I guess you’d have to be in the locker room to get a better sense of how everyone feels.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2020, 08:32:17 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 19, 2020, 08:35:45 PM
https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1296239825788579842?s=21
I feel like KC isn't exactly a magnet for the gay community.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2020, 08:58:13 PM
I feel like KC isn't exactly a magnet for the gay community.
I didn’t understand that comment at all but figured I was missing something
Post by: Johnny English on August 19, 2020, 09:01:49 PM
I didn’t understand that comment at all but figured I was missing something#4 on the list of most underrated LGBTQ destinations, apparently.
https://www.tripsavvy.com/underrated-in-america-for-gay-travelers-1417711
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2020, 09:09:20 PM
#4 on the list of most underrated LGBTQ destinations, apparently.
https://www.tripsavvy.com/underrated-in-america-for-gay-travelers-1417711
7 - New Haven, CT? It’s very artsy and it has Yale, a lot of museum and history attractions, etc.
It’s also know for having a severe AIDS problem within the inner city. I had always heard it was because of the rampant Heroin scene, but the google also tells me this:
“Merceditas Villanueva, an infectious disease specialist and director of the AIDS program at Yale-New Haven hospital, said that of approximately 1.5 million Americans reported to be living with the disease, 10,574 are in Connecticut and 1,536 live in New Haven. New Haven has the second-highest prevalence and rate of AIDS infections in the state, after Hartford.
Gerald Friedland, a doctor at Yale-New Haven Hospital, said New Haven is one of 15 U.S. cities where AIDS is the leading cause of death for both men and women.
“For a small state, we have a large number of cases,” Villanueva said. “It predominantly affects people of colour, so it’s an issue of racial disparity, and that’s typical of inner cities.”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2020, 09:59:16 PM
Context:
Bauer was told by MLB he would be removed from the game and fined if he wore these
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2020, 10:07:00 PM
Baahahaha
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 19, 2020, 11:23:03 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2020, 05:14:08 PM
EDIT: Seattle also discussing boycotting tonight.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 26, 2020, 08:59:00 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 27, 2020, 10:47:54 AM
@bnicholsonsmith
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36s
Taijuan Walker, 28, has a 4.00 ERA through five starts with Mariners. 25 Ks, 8 BB in 27 innings. Fastball averages 93 mph. He also throws a slider, splitter/change and curve. He's earning $2 million this year and will hit free agency after the season ends #BlueJays
Player to be named later heading back to Seattle in the deal. Good trade for us, we lost 3 starters to injury last week.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 27, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
whoa
Post by: IATA on August 27, 2020, 05:51:06 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 05:51:41 PM
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1299101670908088322?s=20
whoa
That is...wow.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 27, 2020, 08:57:12 PM
Bahahhahahahhahahaha
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2020, 11:20:13 PM
https://twitter.com/timbritton/status/1299124366425325570?s=21
Bahahhahahahhahahaha
And yet I’d still rather not watch baseball than root for the Yankees.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 28, 2020, 12:00:19 PM
And yet I’d still rather not watch baseball than root for the Yankees.
I don’t think that’s true. I feel bad for the fans that root for the Jets and the baseball Jets.
Not sure what that has to do with what I posted though.
Post by: IATA on August 28, 2020, 12:38:32 PM
i felt gross but ya know, america, etc...
wilpon is cancer and i hope he gets it and sells already
brody should have just said "ya it wasnt him this time, but he fucked the game already and should go regardless"
freak manfred
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 28, 2020, 01:08:33 PM
I don’t think that’s true. I feel bad for the fans that root for the Jets and the baseball Jets.
Not sure what that has to do with what I posted though.
I'm currently doing neither since I cancelled my Sling account and don't have an antenna for local games so I guess it was true.
And I don't know why I said that, doesn't make any sense, but I'm owning it.
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2020, 07:30:40 PM
ive rooted for the yankees once, 2001 when they lost to the dbacksThe world would be a better place if the Yankees won the 2001 WS and the Pats lost the 2001 SB.
i felt gross but ya know, america, etc...
wilpon is cancer and i hope he gets it and sells already
brody should have just said "ya it wasnt him this time, but he fucked the game already and should go regardless"
freak manfred
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 03, 2020, 08:32:01 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 03, 2020, 08:38:26 AM
https://twitter.com/pitchingninja/status/1301349249611902978?s=21
That second strike is so dirty
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 03, 2020, 09:28:07 AM
That second strike is so dirty
Ball got sucked into a vortex
Post by: MBGreen on September 04, 2020, 07:16:03 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 04, 2020, 10:42:40 PM
Fish joke
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 05, 2020, 12:35:18 AM
Mike Trout just tied Tim Salmon as the Angels’ all-time leader in HRs at 299.
Fish joke
Did Kevin Bass play for the Angels?
Post by: delavan on September 05, 2020, 10:43:45 PM
Did Kevin Bass play for the Angels?
Milwaukee Brewers (1982)
Houston Astros (1982–1989)
San Francisco Giants (1990–1992)
New York Mets (1992)
Houston Astros (1993–1994)
Baltimore Orioles (1995)
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 06, 2020, 12:22:35 PM
Post by: Badger on September 06, 2020, 03:06:58 PM
can we make a thread arguing about how annoying the strike zone box is? get it tf out of thereYou're entitled to your wrong opinion.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 06, 2020, 05:14:53 PM
You're entitled to your wrong opinion.
i can make this go longer than the DH thread if you're down
Post by: MBGreen on September 06, 2020, 06:09:02 PM
can we make a thread arguing about how annoying the strike zone box is? get it tf out of there
It needs to be there for Angel Hernandez
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 06, 2020, 09:46:11 PM
can we make a thread arguing about how annoying the strike zone box is? get it tf out of there
With you on that. It's up there with the glowing hockey puck from the mid 90s.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 08, 2020, 04:07:19 PM
The one the Yankees are using now is a lot better though. It's pretty light so it's easier to ignore, but it still sucks.
The DH, however, is obviously the best innovation in the game since someone rounded out a stick of wood to hit the ball with.
Post by: delavan on September 11, 2020, 07:44:54 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on September 12, 2020, 01:19:49 PM
Friday (9/11) update........4th inning....Mets just had a 10-run inning an now lead 14-1 over the Bluejays.
.
Don't worry babbie.....Bo Bichette and the "Mexican Powerhouse" Alejandro Kirk will be in the lineup tonight.
Post by: IATA on September 12, 2020, 05:19:31 PM
no update on a retest, hopefully just a false positive but well see...
Post by: IATA on September 13, 2020, 12:10:38 AM
Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
The #SFGiants player who had a positive Covid-19 test has since had two negative tests and if everything is clear tonight, the #SFGiants and #Padres will play a doubleheader Sunday.
dang ol covid
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 06:02:02 AM
Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
The #SFGiants player who had a positive Covid-19 test has since had two negative tests and if everything is clear tonight, the #SFGiants and #Padres will play a doubleheader Sunday.
dang ol covid
This is actually big for me, I have Cronenworth, Lamet, Rosenthal, Pomeranz and Yaz in fantasy and today is the last day of the regular season. Thought I was gonna have to take the L on those players
Post by: IATA on September 13, 2020, 04:48:00 PM
pujols hit homer 660
reds sonny gray to the dl. dudes having a great year, but this probly spells the end for the reds getting into the playoffs
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2020, 09:17:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 17, 2020, 03:08:31 PM
Anyone kicking dirt on home plate is an automatic post
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 19, 2020, 09:01:43 AM
https://twitter.com/jared_carrabis/status/1306683679549394950?s=21
Anyone kicking dirt on home plate is an automatic post
would be interesting to see a list of the most insecure and/or feeble-minded participants in sports. mine would start with mlb umpires and placekickers
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 23, 2020, 09:45:12 PM
Pitcher equivalent of pimping a HR
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 24, 2020, 08:52:26 AM
https://twitter.com/talkinbaseball_/status/1308928907358466048?s=21
Pitcher equivalent of pimping a HR
https://twitter.com/pitchingninja/status/1308936200128991234?s=21
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 08:53:53 AM
https://twitter.com/pitchingninja/status/1308936200128991234?s=21
oof
Post by: delavan on September 29, 2020, 12:22:09 AM
https://twitter.com/AsteriskTour/status/1310361581725900801
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 29, 2020, 12:57:23 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2020, 04:44:39 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2020, 08:37:32 PM
LOL (https://public.tableau.com/views/MLBdataworking/AstrosHitting?:language=en&:embed=y&:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link&:showVizHome=no)
Holy excrement. Posting this in the correct thread for historical accuracy
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 30, 2020, 10:29:09 AM
8 total
First game at 12:08 EST, last game at 10:08 EST
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 30, 2020, 02:24:01 PM
...last game at 10:08 EST
That's what I'm talking about.
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2020, 09:27:11 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2020, 09:27:34 AM
Hey MB, let me know when it's time to start cheering for the Blue Jays.
next March
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 08, 2020, 12:57:04 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 12, 2020, 10:49:59 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 12, 2020, 10:53:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2020, 08:22:40 AM
https://twitter.com/jared_carrabis/status/1315861519494795264?s=21
The media was on one last night
Post by: IATA on October 13, 2020, 09:49:44 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2020, 09:55:51 AM
why the freak were his pants so tight tho
Easy, Cakes.
Post by: IATA on October 13, 2020, 10:14:34 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2020, 11:51:33 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 01:26:21 PM
Kershaw a scratch for tonight, that's never good.
Post by: IATA on October 13, 2020, 02:49:42 PM
if the dodgers lose tonight and he misses the series, boy thats gonna not be a bright spot for his legacy
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 02:53:56 PM
back spasms again, thats a bummer.
if the dodgers lose tonight and he misses the series, boy thats gonna not be a bright spot for his legacy
Roberts saying he can probably pitch during the series, just not tonight. I'm glad the short series are over, if we're the better team it's to our advantage to play best of 7.
Post by: IATA on October 13, 2020, 02:55:11 PM
Roberts saying he can probably pitch during the series, just not tonight. I'm glad the short series are over, if we're the better team it's to our advantage to play best of 7.Oh that's right, forgot we were back in a normal series finally.
That 5 game excrement was wack af
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Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 02:57:15 PM
Oh that's right, forgot we were back in a normal series finally.
That 5 game excrement was wack af
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The best of 3 vs the Brewers was even more scary. Only difference now, except for the neutral site, is no days off in between games 2/3 and 5/6.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2020, 04:45:12 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 08:59:03 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 09:20:17 PM
Roberts burning up the whole staff in a game we have no chance, and there's no days off. Smart.
Almost came back and won lol.
Still down 0-2, when does Seton Hall start?
Post by: IATA on October 13, 2020, 10:22:20 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 14, 2020, 09:06:53 AM
Post by: IATA on October 14, 2020, 09:39:45 AM
Kershaw will make it back just in time to get blamed for everything.
hopefully you guys can put it together for more than 1 inning
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 14, 2020, 10:34:09 AM
hopefully you guys can put it together for more than 1 inning
Have to get tonight. Big start for Urias.
Post by: IATA on October 14, 2020, 06:20:42 PM
hopefully you guys can put it together for more than 1 inningThen again, maybe 1 inning would just be fine
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Post by: Italian Seafood on October 14, 2020, 06:24:42 PM
Then again, maybe 1 inning would just be fine
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LOL guess we're not freaking around tonight.
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2020, 08:29:55 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 17, 2020, 09:06:28 PM
Not mlb
Post by: IATA on October 17, 2020, 10:53:01 PM
Post by: IATA on October 17, 2020, 10:53:11 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 18, 2020, 05:54:48 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2020, 05:56:55 PM
Knocking out the rest of a Jameson bottle in advance of Game 7.
Tommy?
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 18, 2020, 06:16:11 PM
Tommy?
Lol, what was left in the bottle made it kind of a double +.
freak it man, Game 7.
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2020, 06:35:54 PM
Knocking out the rest of a Jameson bottle in advance of Game 7.Best of luck to your boys
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2020, 08:37:09 PM
Pretty wild we got 2 of them in the CS
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2020, 10:21:59 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2020, 10:29:12 PM
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2020, 10:53:49 PM
Post by: IATA on October 18, 2020, 10:54:57 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 18, 2020, 10:58:25 PM
I feel like a lot has been accomplished today. I can breathe again.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 18, 2020, 11:26:07 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 19, 2020, 07:07:07 AM
gonna root for los doyers
Word
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 07:18:43 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 19, 2020, 07:40:42 AM
freak both teams
I'm sure the Buffalo Blue Jays will be back strong next year.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 20, 2020, 04:32:58 PM
Fun fact, Oct 20, 1988 was the night LA last won the World Series. Also the night Mark Gastineau retired, on a Thursday night, out of nowhere.
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2020, 08:25:48 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 20, 2020, 08:33:14 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 20, 2020, 08:47:55 PM
It might not be next year, maybe the year after, but the Marlins will be #good soon. Their rotation will be ready to compete next year.
Sandy Alcantara and Pablo Lopez locked in as the 1-2.
Sixto Sanchez looks absolutley filthy.
Elieser Hernandez was surprisingly effective this season. We’ll see if it was just a small sample size.
Their top SP prospect Edward Cabrera to compete for the #5 spot with prospect Nick Neidert, the main piece in the Dee Gordon trade a few years ago.
The lineup is a couple years behind that but they have several of their top position players starting to come up - Jazz Chisholm and Jesus Sanchez. They also finally have an ok cast of vets surrounding the young guys - Jesus Aguilar, Corey Dickerson, Villar, Starling Marte.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 20, 2020, 08:55:08 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 20, 2020, 09:06:44 PM
sixto sanchez, what an elite name for a latin starting pitcher. without knowing anything about him, he is going straight to the very top
He throws over 100 mph with insane movement
He was the top piece in the JT Realmuto trade
https://twitter.com/pitchingninja/status/1301314105308045318?s=21
https://twitter.com/jared_carrabis/status/1299504553444999168?s=21
https://twitter.com/starting9/status/1312105033614323713?s=21
And he has the swag
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2020, 09:33:35 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 21, 2020, 11:09:39 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 21, 2020, 10:12:05 PM
How I’m watching the game tonight
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2020, 06:09:05 AM
https://twitter.com/3945lifegoals/status/1319088937617510400?s=21Cannot retrieve tweet at this time
How I’m watching the game tonight
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 22, 2020, 09:04:18 AM
Cannot retrieve tweet at this time
Good
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 22, 2020, 09:24:51 AM
Good
You really need to use more screenshots.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 24, 2020, 09:58:13 PM
Post by: Badger on October 24, 2020, 11:20:28 PM
Post by: Jumbo on October 24, 2020, 11:23:08 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 24, 2020, 11:23:53 PM
Mims shouldn't have made that error in center. Not executing.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 24, 2020, 11:24:27 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 25, 2020, 08:42:07 AM
what a dogshit ending
Yeah. Didn't feel good about it going into B9, knew it wasn't going to be a quick inning.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 25, 2020, 09:30:10 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 25, 2020, 10:44:05 PM
Post by: Badger on October 25, 2020, 10:45:39 PM
Survived. Whew!Nice. I actually forgot about the game until I saw your post, spent the evening catching up on tv and now SNF.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 25, 2020, 10:48:43 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 27, 2020, 07:59:23 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 27, 2020, 09:22:32 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 27, 2020, 09:29:21 PM
Post by: IATA on October 27, 2020, 09:59:56 PM
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2020, 10:32:20 PM
I can't believe they're taking this Snell guy out. Holy excrement. Thank you, Tampa manager. I don't know if we'll score but we weren't going to beat that guy. Wow.Had to save him for game 7 obviously
Post by: IATA on October 27, 2020, 10:40:08 PM
congrats seafood
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2020, 10:42:14 PM
2020 just gets worst and worstIt's good actually
congrats seafood
freak Tampa, back to the drawing board for more manufactured rivalry bullshit for 2021
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2020, 11:06:11 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 27, 2020, 11:28:35 PM
2020 just gets worst and worst
congrats seafood
Thanks man. I get it, appreciate it. NL West in the house.
I think Rob Manfred is having a stroke on tv
Yeah, what was that? How'd he get that job?
Post by: Jumbo on October 28, 2020, 12:00:33 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2020, 06:48:31 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2020, 08:23:48 AM
Beautiful
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 28, 2020, 08:36:50 AM
The Dodgers roster covered in Justin Turner covid AIDS.
Everyone is going to be just fine. Turner almost homered his last time up. #hype
https://twitter.com/jared_tims/status/1321300139923877889?s=21
Beautiful
Those post game speeches were a bore. I've waited 17 years for one of my teams to win something and I almost turned it off.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2020, 08:55:49 AM
2020 in a nutshell
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2020, 08:58:25 AM
Quote
“When told by MLB security that he had to leave, a person familiar with the matter said, Turner refused. He continued to share space not just with other players... but with his teammates’ spouses, children and other family members”
How much are they gonna get fined for this
Post by: Heismanberg on October 28, 2020, 09:34:35 AM
How much are they gonna get fined for this
Manfred will give their title to Houston
Post by: IATA on October 28, 2020, 09:48:22 AM
Too bad
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Post by: Badger on October 28, 2020, 10:02:03 AM
https://twitter.com/jared_tims/status/1321300139923877889?s=21Personally I would be too happy celebrating to boo the man but I guess a lot of the people there were neutral fans
Beautiful
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2020, 11:33:19 AM
Only horse I really had in this race other than the Rays losing, I’m happy for Kershaw
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2020, 11:34:39 AM
Personally I would be too happy celebrating to boo the man but I guess a lot of the people there were neutral fans
He’s Goodell level bad or worse so he deserves to be booed any time the fans have the opportunity, which is not often.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 28, 2020, 12:37:38 PM
He’s Goodell level bad or worse so he deserves to be booed any time the fans have the opportunity, which is not often.
I normally don't stay tuned for trophy presentations unless my team wins, which is almost never. I do remember Bettman always getting booed when he would come out with the Stanley Cup back in the day. The first time the Devils won I was there and booed him, at that time it looked like the Devils were moving to Nashville and the fans were pissed at him. But I've noticed other fans do it too, so I thought maybe that was just a hockey fan thing.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2020, 12:50:50 PM
Analytics are ruing the game!
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 28, 2020, 01:23:37 PM
https://twitter.com/sean_forman/status/1321278576436588546?s=21
Analytics are ruing the game!
They have their place, particularly in the regular season, but in a situation like last night you have to look at the game in front of you and trust your eyes. That guy threw 73 pitches and we weren't touching him. Get a guy ready if you like, but he might have pitched a complete game the way he was going.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2020, 02:13:54 PM
They have their place, particularly in the regular season, but in a situation like last night you have to look at the game in front of you and trust your eyes. That guy threw 73 pitches and we weren't touching him. Get a guy ready if you like, but he might have pitched a complete game the way he was going.
The Dodgers used an opener last night
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2020, 02:16:06 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 28, 2020, 02:31:23 PM
The Dodgers used an opener last night
Not on purpose. They've done it a few times, I'm not against it, but the way Snell was throwing we couldn't freak around last night with Gonsolin or anyone else. I was worried we went through so many guys so early, if the game ended up going extras I guess May would have had to go in and stay in.
Also, before this thread is derailed: analytics do not suggest taking Snell out in that spot. They also don’t suggest putting in Nick Anderson, who has struggled all postseason. Kevin Cash just made a stupid freaking decision.
I'll buy that. I was shocked, enough that I posted here in real time because I was pretty sure what was going to happen next. If I waited it would have just been hindsight.
On a side note, my teams have a very odd history of success in shortened seasons:
1981 Dodgers, won World Series
1982 Jets, reached AFC Championship game
1995 Devils, won Stanley Cup
1999 Knicks, reached NBA Finals
2020 Dodgers, won World Series
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 28, 2020, 08:48:10 PM
https://twitter.com/jomboy_/status/1321296915137527810?s=21
Only horse I really had in this race other than the Rays losing, I’m happy for Kershaw
very good
now do jake degrom
Post by: delavan on October 29, 2020, 12:39:40 PM
Not on purpose. They've done it a few times, I'm not against it, but the way Snell was throwing we couldn't freak around last night with Gonsolin or anyone else.
I was worried we went through so many guys so early,
if the game ended up going extras I guess May would have had to go in and stay in.
Dave Roberts probably went by committee in gm 6 knowing he had that Forrest Buehler guy for game 7. Either way the better team won.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 29, 2020, 12:47:50 PM
Dave Roberts probably went by committee in gm 6 knowing he had that Forrest Buehler guy for game 7. Either way the better team won.
Yeah, LA gave them a game and still won in 6.
Most of the pitchers didn't go long, so they'd have all been available for a Game 7, including then also Kershaw for a short time. I was thinking if Game 6 got tied and went long, we had Jansen who is good for an inning or two, and May who is a starter and could probably last in a long game for a while. The new 3-batter rule probably saves Roberts from himself in games like this.
Also, thinking about this, I'm so happy Kershaw not only gets a ring but was a big part of the Series, won 2 games. I kind of equate him to late 90s Ewing, with the team around him stronger while he's still good but not dominant. Buehler would be the Houston or Sprewell by comparison.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 29, 2020, 03:23:17 PM
This is insane
We are gonna witness a weird offseason
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 29, 2020, 03:43:43 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 29, 2020, 03:46:16 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 29, 2020, 10:03:51 PM
Justin Turner and his wife weren't allowed to take the plane home with the rest of the organization. Wonder how hard MLB will come down on him.
That makes sense. There are a lot of options to fly home, one chance in a lifetime to celebrate winning a World Series with your team on the field. Even if you want give us 2017 in retrospect, they never got to celebrate the win. They had to walk off and live with a loss.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 30, 2020, 08:25:38 AM
“Not high...during the games” you say
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 30, 2020, 01:46:06 PM
This is wild
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 30, 2020, 02:59:36 PM
https://twitter.com/tylerkepner/status/1322032388566880256?s=21
“Not high...during the games” you say
Haha, people have always said that about Belinger. Tell you what, if he is, I want what he's smoking the next time I get on a basketball court, if that ever happens.
https://twitter.com/ckurcon/status/1322235201234345984?s=21
This is wild
That is crazy.
The way Snell was throwing, I don't know, I've seen it go that way a million times. And he's a former Cy Young winner, so it's not like he hasn't had sustained success before. I understand about the third time through the lineup, but it would take more than a one-out single for me to take him out on 73 pitches. They asked Betts what he thought as he was about to hit, he said "I felt like I have a chance now". He struck out his first two times up, guys were starting to try and bunt. Man, I don't know.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 31, 2020, 08:35:22 AM
https://twitter.com/br_mlb/status/1321865015763283975?s=21
This is insane
We are gonna witness a weird offseason
“ Not one team claimed Brad Hand for $10M. He was a top 3 finalist for AL reliever of the year with a 0.77 WHIP. and 16 saves. Time to revise free agent contract projections downward! (Hand is now a free agent after Indians then declined the $10M option and paid $1M buyout.)”
Welp
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 05, 2020, 10:37:55 AM
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Cleveland, strapped for money, intend to trade All-Star shortstop Francisco Lindor by opening day, several rival teams have been informed. Lindor earned $17.5 million last season and is projected to earn about $21 million in salary arbitration in his final year before free agency
- the Legend Bob Nightengale
Post by: Jumbo on November 05, 2020, 10:43:09 AM
- the Legend Bob Nightengale
What a pathetic team.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 05, 2020, 01:00:57 PM
What a pathetic team.
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Rockies owner Dick Monfort sent a letter to season ticket holders today that said, in part: "There will be nothing normal about this offseason as the industry faces a new economic reality."
Rockies have been the other team along with the Indians that have been rumored they could undergo big payroll cuts.
Nolan Arenado and Trevor Story are the 2 big names I’ve seen mentioned.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 05, 2020, 02:47:52 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 05, 2020, 02:51:50 PM
In fairness to Cleveland, they're paying good money to get eliminated in the first couple of rounds of the playoffs every year.
so are you guys.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 05, 2020, 03:27:07 PM
Post by: IATA on November 05, 2020, 09:03:17 PM
so are you guys.
alcs or bust
Post by: MBGreen on November 06, 2020, 08:21:46 AM
@JonHeyman
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4m
Breaking: Alex Cora is back as Red Sox manager
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 06, 2020, 08:57:10 AM
Post by: Badger on November 06, 2020, 09:01:53 AM
Pretty sweet News dump strategy for hiring a cheaterHaha not only on a Friday but the same day the election is being called. PR masterminds.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 09, 2020, 08:05:34 PM
Just an absolute chef's kiss to the ridiculous La Russa hire.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 10, 2020, 01:12:47 PM
"Do you see my ring?" La Russa said to the arresting officer. "I'm a Hall of Famer baseball person. I'm legit. I'm a Hall of Famer, brother."
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 13, 2020, 10:08:54 AM
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The Miami Marlins are hiring Kim Ng as their new general manager, making her Major League Baseball's first female and first Asian American GM, the team announced Friday.
Ng has most recently served as MLB's senior vice president of baseball operations for the past nine years. She has also served as assistant general manager for the New York Yankees and Los Angeles Dodgers.
Kim Hnggggg
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 13, 2020, 01:36:06 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on November 17, 2020, 11:09:06 AM
@jonmorosi
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3m
BREAKING: Theo Epstein has resigned as @Cubs
president of baseball operations. @MLB
@MLBNetwork
Post by: IATA on November 17, 2020, 11:34:48 AM
looks like hes gonna take some time away from baseball, good.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 17, 2020, 12:54:04 PM
bring theo to the mets NOW
Post by: IATA on November 17, 2020, 02:06:35 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 17, 2020, 03:10:44 PM
maybe thats why theyre keeping sandy around this year, to pay theo a dumptruck of money to fix em next year
from what i understand there are different 'tiers' to the structure of the new mets FO, with cohen at the top, sandy as 'president', and a 'president of baseball operations'??? sort of role underneath that. i think that's a situation where sandy and theo could both be in the FO at the same time
i think theo would fit in very well with the way cohen wants to start running the team, with sandy being an advisor and a voice that resonates with the more 'conservative' end of the moneyball mantra. i hope he considers coming to the mets but if he really needs a year, i think we'll look at him very strongly next year
it feels weird reading about the mets actually having interest in the top/most expensive FA pool
Post by: Badger on November 17, 2020, 03:12:20 PM
it feels weird reading about the mets actually having interest in the top/most expensive FA pool
I am happy that my Mets fan brothers get to correctly experience being a fan of a big market team.
Post by: IATA on November 17, 2020, 03:40:22 PM
from what i understand there are different 'tiers' to the structure of the new mets FO, with cohen at the top, sandy as 'president', and a 'president of baseball operations'??? sort of role underneath that. i think that's a situation where sandy and theo could both be in the FO at the same timeOne of theos reported problems was that he didn't like the restrictions the Ricketts placed on him.
i think theo would fit in very well with the way cohen wants to start running the team, with sandy being an advisor and a voice that resonates with the more 'conservative' end of the moneyball mantra. i hope he considers coming to the mets but if he really needs a year, i think we'll look at him very strongly next year
it feels weird reading about the mets actually having interest in the top/most expensive FA pool
He wants, and will very easily get, total control.
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 25, 2020, 07:23:15 AM
Randy Arrestarena