Jet Offensive
Collegiate Football => NCAA Football => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on December 22, 2020, 09:05:48 AM
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RoofClaim.com Boca Raton Bowl feat Zach Wilson tonight at 7:00PM EST on ESPN
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I'm in
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https://twitter.com/mikeanddev/status/1341539986265559040?s=21
https://twitter.com/cammellor/status/1341539960588001280?s=21
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https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/1341539493170409474?s=21
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Rushing TD and other pass that should have been a TD
https://twitter.com/_stevefrederick/status/1341536940982751232?s=21
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Wilson is v good
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If we can schedule Central Florida next year we're golden.
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Allgeir also looks like he can play
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Allgeir also looks like he can play
He was a rotational linebacker last season for BYU. He's been very good all season for them as an all-purpose back.
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Jeff Grimes deserves a big time OC job after the jobs he's done at BYU since 2018. Super creative, highly productive scheme with inferior skill talent.
LSU should do whatever it takes to bring him in. Or the Jets can just hire him...
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Jeff Grimes deserves a big time OC job after the jobs he's done at BYU since 2018. Super creative, highly productive scheme with inferior skill talent.
LSU should do whatever it takes to bring him in. Or the Jets can just hire him...
Was actually thinking could we bring in his qb coach to make him feel comfortable. Oc would work too
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everytime i hear dabo sweeney talk, i feel significantly dumber, like he's sucked the common sense from my brain and replaced it with daboisms
i cant wait for ohio st to stomp a new poopchute into him.
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i cant wait for ohio st to stomp a new poopchute into him.
lol ok
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everytime i hear dabo sweeney talk, i feel significantly dumber, like he's sucked the common sense from my brain and replaced it with daboisms
i cant wait for ohio st to stomp a new poopchute into him.
I will be absolutely shocked if that happens. Hell if it does it's going to require the worst performance of Trevor Lawrence's career, and the best of Justin Fields. Which actually might be a good thing for us
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I will be absolutely shocked if that happens. Hell if it does it's going to require the worst performance of Trevor Lawrence's career, and the best of Justin Fields. Which actually might be a good thing for us
Tervor lawrence is no longer my best friend.
Justin field is new best friend.
Sent from fire adam gase.
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lol ok
If Trevor loses so badly in his last game, he'll stay in college and we can tank the right way next year. Right
Sent from fire adam gase.
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Justin field is new best friend.
He shouldn't be.
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He shouldn't be.
Let me cope ok
Sent from fire adam gase.
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Let me cope ok
Watch Zach Wilson highlights and cry tears of joy instead
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Watch Zach Wilson highlights and cry tears of joy instead
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i wanna kick the excrement out of him on principal alone
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Cheez-It Bowl is live on ESPN
Ok St. vs Miami
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Brett McMurphy
@Brett_McMurphy
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Clemson OC/RB Tony Elliott will not be at Sugar Bowl because of COVID protocols. Tigers face Ohio State Friday in @CFBPlayoff semifinals
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Go Badgers Go
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Brett McMurphy
@Brett_McMurphy
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Clemson OC/RB Tony Elliott will not be at Sugar Bowl because of COVID protocols. Tigers face Ohio State Friday in @CFBPlayoff semifinals
That is ...big
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Cotton Bowl: I dunno what Kyle Trask's problem is (3 INTs) but fugly Spencer Rattler looks pretty freaking good for a redshirt freshman.
#LordKingDogface.
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To be honest having Pitts and Toney opt out didn't help..
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Full-blown brawl at the end of Moo St. and Tulsa today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QcOd44lJhE
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Mississippi #4 is a bitch.
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Mississippi #4 is a bitch.
Total bitch with that kick-and-run-away b.s.
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Mississippi #4 is a bitch.
Sign #7 on Tulsa to a UDFA deal and let him fight all the pussies for a spot on the practice squad
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New ND QB is 5'11"
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I hope Clemson gets smoked because Dabo is a douche.
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Well that was a dumb pick
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I hope Clemson gets smoked because Dabo is a douche.
Yes. Also, you're suggestion about the Jaguars might fall in love with Fields due to the playoffs is getting some traction, sans that pick.
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Hell of a throw.
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Planted.
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Thoroughly enjoying the 11th ranked team in the nation taking it to the Tigers.
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It’s great that he can throw a post route against Cover 2
For as good as Venables has been, he should be fired for this gameplan.
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Shaun Wade stinks.
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Clemson's assistant OC is making a great case for someone else to take his job.
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It’s great that he can throw a post route against Cover 2
For as good as Venables has been, he should be fired for this gameplan.
I’m still trying to figure out what the actual plan was. Whatever they were planning to do the execution was absolutely awful
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https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1345224822947794946?s=19 (https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1345224822947794946?s=19)
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https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1345224822947794946?s=19 (https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1345224822947794946?s=19)
Yeah Geno! Always played well in Miami.
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Lmao at the Buckeye fans with the Dabo chant.
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Alabama will beat the excrement out of whoever won this one.
I'm a big fan of Ryan Day. He is a class act, unlike the Ohio State coach before him.
Justin Fields will get all kinds of hype after this one, but Day and his split zone scheme won this game. He was five steps ahead of Brent Venables all night.
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Venerables had no answer to stop Day's offense and Streeter's offense had no answers for anything. This might have been a fun if Tony Elliot was able to coach.
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This might have been a fun if Tony Elliot was able to coach.
It would've been closer, but Clemson's title hopes went up in flames the moment Justyn Ross was declared out for season.
The offensive line from last year lost four starters. The receiving corps was super inexperienced. The linebackers are just super slow and Isaiah Simmons covered up a lot of the flaws in Venables' scheme. Relying heavily on Cover 2 with linebackers that can't run is asinine.
Swinney should fire him, but he won't.
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lol ok
lol
Sent from fire adam gase.
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lol
Sent from fire adam gase.
JACKASS
I'LL KILL YOU
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Can't wait to draft the next Geno Smith with the #2 overall pick.
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Can't wait to draft the next Geno Smith with the #2 overall pick.
It's the Jaguars turn.
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https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1345224822947794946?s=19 (https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1345224822947794946?s=19)
Physically recoiled at this information
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Alabama will beat the excrement out of whoever won this one.
I'm a big fan of Ryan Day. He is a class act, unlike the Ohio State coach before him.
Justin Fields will get all kinds of hype after this one, but Day and his split zone scheme won this game. He was five steps ahead of Brent Venables all night.
Is it an unreasonable opinion, that after today the second overall pick became that much more valuable?
I mean if we use it to draft Fields or whoever it's a moot point.
But you have to think it certainly makes the Jets trading out a more viable option
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I think it helps us drop down a spot to pick up some capital from the team that wants sewell
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I think it helps us drop down a spot to pick up some capital from the team that wants sewell
Sewell is not more valuable than whoever QB2 is.
If someone is trading up to 2, it's for a quarterback not a tackle.
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Yes. Also, you're suggestion about the Jaguars might fall in love with Fields due to the playoffs is getting some traction, sans that pick.
That wasn't me, but I'll take credit.
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That wasn't me, but I'll take credit.
I could have sworn it was you but I’m too lazy to look.
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I could have sworn it was you but I’m too lazy to look.
I said it as a joke but you never know. None of us thought Cleveland would take Mayfield over Darnold.
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Sewell is not more valuable than whoever QB2 is.
If someone is trading up to 2, it's for a quarterback not a tackle.
If the bengals are behind us there is no reason why we couldn't swap picks for a 3rd
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If the bengals are behind us there is no reason why we couldn't swap picks for a 3rd
The Bengals would need to believe that we're a threat to take Sewell at 2 or that another team is willing to jump ahead of them for Sewell.
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As of now, if we can't get Lawrence I'm thinking get D Smith at WR and another stud OT, whatever moves make that happen. Dominate the LOS and add a big weapon on the outside.
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As of now, if we can't get Lawrence I'm thinking get D Smith at WR and another stud OT, whatever moves make that happen. Dominate the LOS and add a big weapon on the outside.
Need a QB first
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Need a QB first
If none available are better than the one we have, get the WR and OT. JD and the new staff will have to make that call.
Otherwise we're on the same treadmill at QB we've been on at D line, just replacing a previous high pick with new ones and not improving the team.
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If none available are better than the one we have, get the WR and OT. JD and the new staff will have to make that call.
Otherwise we're on the same treadmill at QB we've been on at D line, just replacing a previous high pick with new ones and not improving the team.
I agree it'll be the call for the new regime. But Sam is done here imo.
- JD didn't draft Darnold..so there's no loyalty.
- Unless we're hiring a desperate retread for a HC, i highly doubt a new regime will want to work with a reclamation project....sorry to say, but that's what Gase did to our QB.
- I would take Wilson/Fields over Sam if the draft was tomorrow.
- the roster will improve this year and next year, whether we take a QB in the first round or not. JD did an excellent job loading up on draft capital.
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Field Yates
@FieldYates
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The University of Texas has fired head coach Tom Herman.
Chip Brown
@ChipBrown247
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BREAKING: #Alabama OC Steve Sarkisian is expected to be named the new coach at #Texas, replacing Tom Herman, who was fired Saturday, multiple sources told Horns247.
https://247sports.com/college/texas/
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I agree it'll be the call for the new regime. But Sam is done here imo.
- JD didn't draft Darnold..so there's no loyalty.
- Unless we're hiring a desperate retread for a HC, i highly doubt a new regime will want to work with a reclamation project....sorry to say, but that's what Gase did to our QB.
- I would take Wilson/Fields over Sam if the draft was tomorrow.
- the roster will improve this year and next year, whether we take a QB in the first round or not. JD did an excellent job loading up on draft capital.
The question is guarantee to improve the team with a #2 overall and another first rounder, or take another gigantic gamble in the top 5. Trade out of the #2 if you can get Jones and an OT, a lot of QBs can succeed then.
Parcells traded out of #1 when Manning didn't come out and our QBs at the time were O'Donnell who he hated and Foley who sucked. But he built the team up to where any number of QBs could succeed, then one did, who turned out to be Vinny.
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Good for Sark
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The question is guarantee to improve the team with a #2 overall and another first rounder, or take another gigantic gamble in the top 5. Trade out of the #2 if you can get Jones and an OT, a lot of QBs can succeed then.
Parcells traded out of #1 when Manning didn't come out and our QBs at the time were O'Donnell who he hated and Foley who sucked. But he built the team up to where any number of QBs could succeed, then one did, who turned out to be Vinny.
Because the QBs in that draft sucked, and then he got lucky that he got a career year from. Vinny.
I get the case for building up the rest of the roster in a lot of drafts. But this is a great QB draft on paper. Sure it didn't work out in 2018 but that can't scare you from trying again in 2021, especially when we have a full draft class of picks in addition to the #2.
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If we determine that Darnold's not the answer or aren't confident enough that he is to take the risk of running it back with him for another year and grade one of the quarterbacks available at 2 as a franchise guy, we have to take him. It's that simple.
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If we determine that Darnold's not the answer or aren't confident enough that he is to take the risk of running it back with him for another year and grade one of the quarterbacks available at 2 as a franchise guy, we have to take him. It's that simple.
Exactly.
To me, this QB class has 3 quarterbacks that could go #1 overall in certain classes. I would take Wilson or Fields as a prospect over Tua or Herbert. They're both in the same class as Burrow IMO. Lawrence is a notch above that.
If this was the 2019 draft, and the quarterback options after #1 were Daniel Jones and Dwayne Haskins, we would be looking a lot harder at veteran options and at keeping Sam for next season.
But on paper, this is a very good QB class. Some would even throw Trey Lance in that mix. I haven't seen enough to make a decision there. That seems aggressive, but if we hired the right coaching staff, trading down a couple spots and picking Lance (if that is doable) might work out great as well.
I don't see how you can be confident that Darnold is the answer. You can think he's a great kid, a hard worker, and you can see some of his arm talent when he plays, but 3 years into his career, he needs to show more than that to have confidence in him. And if you lack confidence in Sam, and you have a potential franchise QB staring you in the face, it's hard not to move on.
I don't think this has anything to do with the pick at #2 being some short of shiny new toy either. It's a practical decision given:
- how poorly Darnold has played
- Darnold's impending free agency
- the quality of this draft class at QB
- our assets to build around this QB thanks to our cap space and the Adams trade
- attracting a new head coach
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Look, I love Darnold. I've never made any bones about that. I'll continue to believe in and root for him regardless of what team he plays for (provided it's not in the AFC East). There's a part of me that would love to see us devote our plethora of resources to surrounding him with as much talent as possible and continue to ride-or-die with him. There's another part of me (the logical part) that understands that it would be foolish to take the risk of continuing to ride with him because of the financial implications and the opportunity cost (passing on the opportunity to take an elite QB prospect at 2). It will be painful but I believe it's ultimately in the best interest of team and player that we move on, take a QB at 2, and trade Darnold to what will hopefully be a better situation for him where we can recoup as much draft capital as possible.
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Look, I love Darnold. I've never made any bones about that. I'll continue to believe in and root for him regardless of what team he plays for (provided it's not in the AFC East). There's a part of me that would love to see us devote our vast array of resources to surrounding him with as much talent as possible and continue to ride-or-die with him. There's another part of me (the logical part) that understands that it would be foolish to take the risk of continuing to ride with Darnold because of the financial repercussions and the opportunity cost (passing on the chance to take a QB at 2 when multiple elite prospects are available). It will be painful but I believe it's ultimately in the best interest of team and player that we move on, take a QB at 2, and trade Darnold to what will hopefully be a better situation for him where we can recoup as much draft capital as possible.
This is mostly where I'm at although I'm not yet quite as far down the road. I have accepted that Darnold is probably done here but I'm still holding out hope he'll be given the chance to compete next season, and I'd still rather see us use the #2 pick to support the quarterback instead of replace him.
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I'm totally against taking a player at 2 if it's not a QB. I believe the package we could obtain for that pick would be far more valuable than any player we could take with it. #2 is too high for a receiver and we already have a left tackle in Becton. No defensive player in this draft is worth that pick.
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Fields and Wilson are not on Burrow's level.
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I'm totally against taking a player at 2 if it's not a QB. I believe the package we could obtain for that pick would be far more valuable than any player we could take with it. #2 is too high for a receiver and we already have a left tackle in Becton. No defensive player in this draft is worth that pick.
Agreed. The only bad choice we can realistically make is taking a non-QB at 2. Take a QB or find a trade partner.
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As of now, if we can't get Lawrence I'm thinking get D Smith at WR and another stud OT, whatever moves make that happen. Dominate the LOS and add a big weapon on the outside.
I dont care how good d Smith is. I want nothing to do with those toothpick femurs
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I'm totally against taking a player at 2 if it's not a QB. I believe the package we could obtain for that pick would be far more valuable than any player we could take with it. #2 is too high for a receiver and we already have a left tackle in Becton. No defensive player in this draft is worth that pick.
Highly dependent on:
(1) What people are willing to give for the #2 pick and from where
(2) How the Jets value the QB class
If the Jets don't value the QBs enough to pick at #2, the odds are good that many other teams will feel similarly. All it takes is one, but there is a potential scenario where JD and crew don't want to take a QB at 2 but there aren't any offers to move down, similarly to the situation that led to the Jets taking Quinnen Williams instead of moving down.
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I want nothing to do with those toothpick femurs
this is how i felt about ficken
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As of now, if we can't get Lawrence I'm thinking get D Smith at WR and another stud OT, whatever moves make that happen. Dominate the LOS and add a big weapon on the outside.
JaMarr Chase is better than Smith
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JaMarr Chase is better than Smith
That's the beauty of having such a high pick, but my point stands.
Bob Wichusen on the Texas A&M-North Carolina game right now. #Jets
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This game is lit. ESPN Bob is beside himself.
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TAMU > ND
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https://twitter.com/pff_college/status/1346193915934887937?s=21
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Wow
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Excited to watch the GOAT Justin Fields throw 10 TDs tonight.
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Excited to watch the GOAT Justin Fields throw 10 TDs tonight.
F U
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Ready for the Justin Fields show...loved him in House Party
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F U
*9 TDs
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OSU first drive
3
AND
OUT
#FieldsStinks
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If Trey Sermon is broken (and he's holding that shoulder like it's dislocated) I can't see a scenario where OSU wins unless Fields has the game of his life, even surpassing what he did against Clemson.
So Naturally Alabama by 21+ is my guess
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https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1348802571847274496?s=19
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https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1348802571847274496?s=19
Poor Adam Gase
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Master Teague III SZN
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Poor Adam Gase
Hes gonna be the new Philly special
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OSU first drive
3
AND
OUT
#FieldsStinks
OSU 2nd drive
Touchdown, dropping dimes.
#TradeUpForFields
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Master Teague III SZN
Master of Touchdowns
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OSU 2nd drive
Touchdown, dropping dimes.
#TradeUpForFields
The big play was a better catch than throw.
but the corner route to Olave was a damn good play
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The big play was a better catch than throw.
but the corner route to Olave was a damn good play
It was a great catch, but it was also a great throw. Fields had to put it in that spot.
Great job reading the defense, coming off his first read, and putting the ball exactly where it needed to be.
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1348807030182653953
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Ohio State's defense doesn't have much of a chance.
Also, I love watching the Film Room broadcast of these games (ESPNews).
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Fun fact: this is Tuf Borland’s 8th year in school
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Najee Harris is a beast
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Ohio State's defense doesn't have much of a chance.
Also, I love watching the Film Room broadcast of these games (ESPNews).
I'm watching the ESPNU broadcast with no commentary.
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Fun fact: this is Tuf Borland’s 8th year in school
GPA: 0.0
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I'm watching the ESPNU broadcast with no commentary.
Also, a fair way to watch it.
Film Room is a terrible way to watch if you are a fan of either team, but it's great watching the coaches break things down live.
I bounce around a bit between ESPN, ESPNews and ESPNU.
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You'd think someone would cover Smith
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You'd think someone would cover Smith
Clawson and Freeze raving about the play design.
Ohio State had man-to-man on Smith. Smith motioned one way, then went back the other way. Shaun Wade followed him initially but he had no chance to come back once Smith reversed field.
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Trey Sermon apparently headed to the hospital
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Trey Sermon apparently headed to the hospital
Feel horrible for him and the OSU guys who had COVID. You play this season to get to this point, and you either get sick and can't play, or you get hurt on literally your first play of the game.
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They’re here to play.
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Smith is gonna have 600 yards tonight.
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Smith is gonna have 600 yards tonight.
If he was 200 lbs I think he'd be a contender to be #1 overall in any year not containing Lawrence. The dude is freaking unreal
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Jesus that play for Harris was spectacular
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If he was 200 lbs I think he'd be a contender to be #1 overall in any year not containing Lawrence. The dude is freaking unreal
And if this were 2005, Najee Harris would be a top-5 pick.
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And if this were 2005, Najee Harris would be a top-5 pick.
I was just thinking of saying, if this was still a bygone era, Harris would be the #1 pick
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Glenn Naughton
@AceFan23
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Does Devonte Smith last until pick 23?
lol....terrible
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Bye, homie.
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I really really hate DQ'ing a kid for a hit like that. Because that's gotta be considered targeting.
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I really really hate DQ'ing a kid for a hit like that. Because that's gotta be considered targeting.
I have no problem with someone getting DQed for a hit like that.
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I have no problem with someone getting DQed for a hit like that.
If we aren't going to DQ NFL guys for that play, who are far better, far bigger, faster strong, and far more capable of controlling their bodies, why are we throwing out college kids who might be 18 years old all over college football?
I agree that those hits need to be eliminated, coached out of players and all of that, but it's a split second decision, and so many times (not so much here) an offensive guys tucks his head at the last second to brace for impact and bam now it's head to head and the defensive guy is tossed. That's the part I despise the most.
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If we aren't going to DQ NFL guys for that play, who are far better, far bigger, faster strong, and far more capable of controlling their bodies, why are we throwing out college kids who might be 18 years old all over college football?
I agree that those hits need to be eliminated, coached out of players and all of that, but it's a split second decision, and so many times (not so much here) an offensive guys tucks his head at the last second to brace for impact and bam now it's head to head and the defensive guy is tossed. That's the part I despise the most.
If you coach them not to do it at 18/19 and punish them when they do, there's less chance of them doing it at the next stage of their career.
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If you coach them not to do it at 18/19 and punish them when they do, there's less chance of them doing it at the next stage of their career.
Yes but the majority of these guys playing college footballs next stage of their career is insurance salesman.
The guys on the field tonight are almost all headed to the league, Battle included. And Battles hit is a different animal than many of those ones that result in targeting calls across the country all season. His is far worse than the average targeting call.
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Shaun Wade doesn't have a prayer of covering Smith.
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I'm on the Najee Harris train. He'll probably be a Pat though.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210112/47d10edd8812c8872443297a9a2ea29f.gif)
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Shaun Wade doesn't have a prayer of covering Smith.
He doesn’t have a prayer covering anybody if he’s not lined up in the slot
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Fields is rattled
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Fields has looked like excrement
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Fields has looked like excrement
He checked it down against 10 defenders
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Yes but the majority of these guys playing college footballs next stage of their career is insurance salesman.
The guys on the field tonight are almost all headed to the league, Battle included. And Battles hit is a different animal than many of those ones that result in targeting calls across the country all season. His is far worse than the average targeting call.
I'm not defending the majority of targeting calls. You asked why they call targeting in college football for tackles that wouldn't draw a flag in the NFL.
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Jesus
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Fields is rattled
Looked great early, but struggling now.
Clearly, the ribs and the hip are bothering him. Maybe we'll find out to what extent later.
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No answer for him.
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Not a prayer
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There's a better WR than this kid?
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Smith- 215 yards, 3 tds. Still first half.
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Looked great early, but struggling now.
Clearly, the ribs and the hip are bothering him. Maybe we'll find out to what extent later.
No excuses
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There's a better WR than this kid?
JaMarr Chase
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Looked great early, but struggling now.
Clearly, the ribs and the hip are bothering him. Maybe we'll find out to what extent later.
Great?
Lol
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I'm not defending the majority of targeting calls. You asked why they call targeting in college football for tackles that wouldn't draw a flag in the NFL.
I was obviously miscommunicating then as I was trying to talk about the targeting =ejection rule. That’s the part I don’t like when we aren’t kicking dudes out at the next level who have years more training and experience
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Alabama should go score again
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JaMarr Chase
I know it’s absolutely impossible but my god it would be fun as hell to have our two first rounders end up as a combo of Smith and Chase.
JaMarr Chase
Devonta Smith
Denzel Mims
Jamison Crowder
Good lord, good luck covering that group of guys
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I was obviously miscommunicating then as I was trying to talk about the targeting =ejection rule. That’s the part I don’t like when we aren’t kicking dudes out at the next level who have years more training and experience
Oh I see. Yes, I'd have some sympathy with the idea of it not being an immediate ejection. Maybe do it a bit like in soccer with totting up of cards: first offense in a game is a warning, second is an ejection with an automatic ban for the next game. Three warnings in separate games mean a ban in the next game following.
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https://twitter.com/QuinnenWilliams/status/1348824332353593347?s=19
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If we aren't going to DQ NFL guys for that play, who are far better, far bigger, faster strong, and far more capable of controlling their bodies, why are we throwing out college kids who might be 18 years old all over college football?
I agree that those hits need to be eliminated, coached out of players and all of that, but it's a split second decision, and so many times (not so much here) an offensive guys tucks his head at the last second to brace for impact and bam now it's head to head and the defensive guy is tossed. That's the part I despise the most.
Maybe try the opposite mindset. Because this was a bad take.
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Fields better have a nasty second half
Him playing like excrement just kills our draft value
If he suffers some catastrophic injury then maybe you could argue our pick becomes worth more with teams having to bid for Wilson.
But Fields just sucking does us no favors
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Judging by the first half, the fields hype should provably decrease later.
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If we're not in love with Wilson, trading back with a team that's in love with Wilson/Fields and picking up one of these stud receivers is a pretty attractive alternative.
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If we're not in love with Wilson, trading down with a team that's in love with Wilson/Fields and picking up one of these stud receivers is a pretty attractive scenario.
I’m cool with it.
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At least people with STFU about us taking Fields.
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At least people with STFU about us taking Fields.
Nah. They'll just talk about the Clemson game to justify the pick
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If we're not in love with Wilson, trading back with a team that's in love with Wilson/Fields and picking up one of these stud receivers is a pretty attractive alternative.
Heis had talked about Atlanta seemingly wanting to get up for a QB. If we could drop to 4 and then slide down to 8 with the Panthers that would be a hell of a haul of draft capital and we would right be in the sweet spot for playmakers
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Fields is absolutely worthy of a high pick. I'm fine with him or Wilson at 2. I can hear arguments for both guys (clearly, the arguments on this board are 100% Wilson). I'm also thrilled if we can trade down. The only thing that would pee me off is a non-QB at 2, assuming Fields and/or Wilson are considered elite prospects by the NFL like the are from analysts.
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Fields better have a nasty second half
Him playing like excrement just kills our draft value
If he suffers some catastrophic injury then maybe you could argue our pick becomes worth more with teams having to bid for Wilson.
But Fields just sucking does us no favors
The #2 pick is still the #2 pick, it's not all about QBs. There's a Heisman winner out there with 200 yards in the first half. With the #1 almost a done deal, it puts us in a good spot. Not to mention we also have #23 and #34.
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Nah. They'll just talk about the Clemson game to justify the pick
“His ribs hurt so much that he couldn’t read the defense!”
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Fields is absolutely worthy of a high pick. I'm fine with him or Wilson at 2. I can hear arguments for both guys (clearly, the arguments on this board are 100% Wilson). I'm also thrilled if we can trade down. The only thing that would pee me off is a non-QB at 2, assuming Fields and/or Wilson are considered elite prospects by the NFL like the are from analysts.
The only elite prospects in this draft are:
Trevor Lawrence
Penei Sewell
JaMarr Chase
DeVonta Smith
Patrick Surtain II
Wilson and Fields are not elite prospects.
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What’s scary is that a healthy Jaylen Waddle might be better than DeVonta Smith...
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The only elite prospects in this draft are:
Trevor Lawrence
Penei Sewell
JaMarr Chase
DeVonta Smith
Patrick Surtain II
Wilson and Fields are not elite prospects.
Fine. "Worthy of the #2 pick." In a vacuum, Sewell, Chase, Smith and Surtain might be better prospects at their positions than Wilson and Fields are at QB, but QB is so much more valuable.
Also, if we're ignoring positions, Kyle Pitts might be an elite prospect at TE as well.
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What’s scary is that a healthy Jaylen Waddle might be better than DeVonta Smith...
Until the Waddle injury there was talk he could unseat Chase as WR #1. Then I was hopeful he might slide due to that injury so we’d have a shot at him with the Seattle pick, but that seems absurd to think about now.
I could see all 3 WRs go top 10 right now.
I really wonder how teams will evaluate guys who opted out this year. With the way Smith has balled out would anyone be surprised if he went ahead of Chase who hasn’t been seen in a year? Draft season this year will be bonkers
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Fine. "Worthy of the #2 pick." In a vacuum, Sewell, Chase, Smith and Surtain might be better prospects at their positions than Wilson and Fields are at QB, but QB is so much more valuable.
Also, if we're ignoring positions, Kyle Pitts might be an elite prospect at TE as well.
You have to take someone worthy of the pick when you're this high. It's not #12 or #5, it's #2. We can get anyone out there except Trevor Lawrence, don't blow it.
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Get Waddle out of the game.
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Get Waddle out of the game.
Remember that relief pitcher from UT Austin who everyone was praising for staying in that one game where he pitched over 100 pitches and puking on the mound and then all of the pro scouts took him off of their draft boards because his arm was shot? Yea...
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just said in the prospect thread like 45 min ago that I want to trade down and take Smith
pray we can just trade down to 5 with CAR
Fields and Wilson are not worth taking at 2 and I am always of the mindset you dont play games at QB.
I just cant take either of those at 2 with the amount of holes we have and think its the best long term use of that asset
get a bonafide blue chip WR, or even freaking Pitts or Surtain via trade down.
OT isnt big enough of a hole to get Sewell either imo. we target IOL at 23. and if we can actually get Thuney or IOL help in FA
get me Najee Harris at 23. (no he is not Derrick Henry. people want to make this assumption because they both have dreads imo lol) Harris is not as good as Henry. Harris is a better reciever though. which i like about his game, but hes certainly worth it at 23 if we can solve a few holes with plug and play starters in FA.
I like Perrine and Johnson as rotation guys but we need elite talent. im not married to the idea , because its contingent. if we strike out in FA then it goes right back to the best IOL on the board at 23 unless someone else falls.
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Ohio State not dead yet.
They should go for an onsides kick. Probably won't be much of a surprise, but they can't stop them, might as well try to get the ball.
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Comeback SZN
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before this game I was flirting with the idea of fields at 2 if we can get Daboll at HC and Dorsey at OC
I just see to much hesitation he gets away with because hes got a cannon and hes going against NCAA defenses. I see tons of INT's in his future
Any Urban Meyer offense (Ryan day is just running a slightly modified version) handicaps QB development. its 4 track stars with a screen or sideline throw. I watched if at Utah and almost every game at UF.
Alex Smith is the only QB he ever touched to do a freaking thing and that was after like 8 years, and Harbaugh, Roman, and Reid got their hands on him.
Fields is better than any of the OSU guys to ever come out, but that system alone scares me to death when trying to evaluate a QB. I see the hesitation and he even has chances to pull down and run for chunks and slide without risk he doesnt see because he trails a damn drag or out route and stares it down for like 2 whole seconds before looking elsewhere.
yes he throws an amazing deep ball, i will not deny that. between him and Wilson , i hate the idea of QB at 2.
and i actually like Wilson. just not THAT much .
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They should go for an onsides kick. Probably won't be much of a surprise, but they can't stop them, might as well try to get the ball.
No, keep that geeky analytic excrement outta here
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@Rich Cimini
#Jets draft watch:
🔺DeVonta Smith: Has to be a consideration at 2. High for a WR, but he’s special.
🔻Justin Fields: Shaky first half. Doesn’t look like franchise QB. Not saying he won’t be good pro, but we’re talking about No. 2 pick.
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@Rich Cimini
#Jets draft watch:
DeVonta Smith: Has to be a consideration at 2. High for a WR, but he’s special.
Justin Fields: Shaky first half. Doesn’t look like franchise QB. Not saying he won’t be good pro, but we’re talking about No. 2 pick.
The replies to this were fun
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I turned this game off after the last Alabama score to play Destroy All Humans. I regret nothing.
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@Rich Cimini
#Jets draft watch:
🔺DeVonta Smith: Has to be a consideration at 2. High for a WR, but he’s special.
🔻Justin Fields: Shaky first half. Doesn’t look like franchise QB. Not saying he won’t be good pro, but we’re talking about No. 2 pick.
My only reservation is it's Alabama, they all look good there. These other guys are tearing it up too and this is the final. Was it Idzik or Macc who drafted ArDarius Stewart? The only bad Alabama WR ever.
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Fields is actually not good
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Fields is actually not good
Red zone was bad, no better than Sam.
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Fields is actually not good
See this is why I’m glad that we get a better post season sample size than just a single bowl game.
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Was it Idzik or Macc who drafted ArDarius Stewart? The only bad Alabama WR ever.
It was Macc in 2017.
2016: 5-11
2017: 5-11
2018: 4-12
2019: 7-9
2020: 2-14
In the past 5 years, the Jets have played 80 games. They've won 23 of them. The New York Jet organization is a fucking disgrace!
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The #2 pick is still the #2 pick, it's not all about QBs. There's a Heisman winner out there with 200 yards in the first half. With the #1 almost a done deal, it puts us in a good spot. Not to mention we also have #23 and #34.
Draft pick trade value is all about QBs
In my eyes the absolute best case scenario is the Jets trade out, and get one of the top 2 receivers in this draft
If there's not a QB that gets teams hot and horny about the second overall pick, it becomes exponentially less likely that that happens. And if it still does, it could be for much less than the bounty this team needs
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Draft pick trade value is all about QBs
In my eyes the absolute best case scenario is the Jets trade out, and get one of the top 2 receivers in this draft
If there's not a QB that gets teams hot and horny about the second overall pick, it becomes exponentially less likely that that happens. And if it still does, it could be for much less than the bounty this team needs
In that case you don't trade then, you take the best player that helps your team the most. At #2 your choice is anyone you want, and you still have #s 23 & 34 to use or package if you want to make a deal.
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It is not a lock that Fields struggling hurt us
If a team liked both Fields and Wilson they could trade to 3 or possibly 4 to take whoever is left over
Now teams will have to trade directly with us if they want to guarantee they get Wilson
It all remains to be seen how this will play out
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It is not a lock that Fields struggling hurt us
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It all remains to be seen how this will play out
I agree that Fields’ performance did nothing to hurt us, as he struggled about as much as any QB would have. Lawrence and Clemson would have been stomped in this game as well.
If Fields threw for 400 yds and 5 tds it would have moved the needle positively; if he threw 4 picks and looked absolutely inept it would have moved needle negatively....he did neither, so i assume the game would have little impact on JD’s view of him or his draft stock in general.
He made some impressive, pro-level throws, and he also (understandably) looked rattled against an elite team. Im cool with whatever Douglas/ new HC decides with the Qb situation.
(Sidenote: we’re not taking Devonta Smith or a non-qb IF we stay at pick #2....keep that TGG silliness out of here. It would be an egregious mismanagement of our best draft asset. Hey, if im wrong then ive underestimated Douglas and I’ll buy everyone here an ice cream cone)
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I agree that Fields’ performance did nothing to hurt us, as he struggled about as much as any QB would have. Lawrence and Clemson would have been stomped in this game as well.
If Fields threw for 400 yds and 5 tds it would have moved the needle positively; if he threw 4 picks and looked absolutely inept it would have moved needle negatively....he did neither, so i assume the game would have little impact on JD’s view of him or his draft stock in general.
He made some impressive, pro-level throws, and he also (understandably) looked rattled against an elite team. Im cool with whatever Douglas/ new HC decides with the Qb situation.
(Sidenote: we’re not taking Devonta Smith or a non-qb IF we stay at pick #2....keep that TGG silliness out of here. It would be an egregious mismanagement of our best draft asset. Hey, if im wrong then ive underestimated Douglas and I’ll buy everyone here an ice cream cone)
Can't wait to enjoy that soft serve swirl in my new Penei Sewell jersey
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I agree that Fields’ performance did nothing to hurt us, as he struggled about as much as any QB would have. Lawrence and Clemson would have been stomped in this game as well.
If Fields threw for 400 yds and 5 tds it would have moved the needle positively; if he threw 4 picks and looked absolutely inept it would have moved needle negatively....he did neither, so i assume the game would have little impact on JD’s view of him or his draft stock in general.
He made some impressive, pro-level throws, and he also (understandably) looked rattled against an elite team. Im cool with whatever Douglas/ new HC decides with the Qb situation.
(Sidenote: we’re not taking Devonta Smith or a non-qb IF we stay at pick #2....keep that TGG silliness out of here. It would be an egregious mismanagement of our best draft asset. Hey, if im wrong then ive underestimated Douglas and I’ll buy everyone here an ice cream cone)
Completely agree. Fields isn't a perfect prospect at all, but there is plenty to work with, and if our offensive coaches think they can get the best out of his ability, let's go. Same with Wilson.
DeVonta Smith would be an awful pick at 2. I see Dolphins fans I know that are excited they could get him at 3. I hope they get him at 3. He's a very good prospect, but I would not take a skinny receiver that high in the draft, especially when JaMarr Chase is still a better prospect IMO.
Sewell I could maybe buy at 2, but it's a little tougher to swallow after drafting Becton last year. The positional value isn't what it normally would be.
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Completely agree. Fields isn't a perfect prospect at all, but there is plenty to work with, and if our offensive coaches think they can get the best out of his ability, let's go. Same with Wilson.
DeVonta Smith would be an awful pick at 2. I see Dolphins fans I know that are excited they could get him at 3. I hope they get him at 3. He's a very good prospect, but I would not take a skinny receiver that high in the draft, especially when JaMarr Chase is still a better prospect IMO.
Sewell I could maybe buy at 2, but it's a little tougher to swallow after drafting Becton last year. The positional value isn't what it normally would be.
Always value in top end OTs, you need two. I know it's a long time ago, but we drafted OTs #1 in 1977 and 1978, we had a killer O-line all the way to the mid 80s. Obviously no free agency then, but it made the QBs, WRs, RBs, everyone better. Richard Todd was drafted in 1976, similar situation to Darnold, and struggled badly until the line got in place.