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Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2021, 12:58:53 PM
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If you don’t like it, freak you. I’m bored.
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It’s been a little bit, so here’s your reminder that the Jets own the following picks:
1st
1st (SEA - Adams Trade)
2nd
2nd (CAR - Darnold Trade)
3rd
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Also a 4th, 2 5ths, and 3 6ths, but I will have max ejac’ed a long time before then
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Thibodeaux or Stingley
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Thibodeaux or Stingley
seconded
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I say we draft a receiver
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I say we draft a receiver
with Seattle's 1st rounder?
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I say we draft a receiver
I'd much rather draft another offensive lineman
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Anyone else tempted by the thought of drafting Evan Neal to play across from Becton?
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Anyone else tempted by the thought of drafting Evan Neal to play across from Becton?
We'll have to have a Top 3 pick
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We'll have to have a Top 3 pick
You think he's definitely going top-3? I figured he was more of a likely top-5 pick, guaranteed top-10 pick.
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You think he's definitely going top-3? I figured he was more of a likely top-5 pick, guaranteed top-10 pick.
#2 overall prospect
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#2 overall prospect
Which QB is going #1 next year?
I imagine the next 3 in a currently random order are Thibideaux, Neal and Stingley
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Which QB is going #1 next year?
The QBs suck this year.
If I had to choose one, it'd be between Liberty's Malik Willis and Boston College's Phil Jurkovec.
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Really happy we got a QB this year. Would have set us back longer if Darnold wasn't the answer and we didn't have a potential answer in the draft.
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Since we recently traded our last top 10 pick safety and may lose Marcus Maye, lets go Kyle Hamilton
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This draft is loaded at safety
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Please draft a corner or a pass rusher over a safety
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Please draft a corner or a pass rusher over a safety
Say it louder for the people in the back
I wouldn’t be disappointed at all (based on our current roster construction) if we went pass rusher and CB with our two first rounders and an OL and TE with our second rounders before even considering a safety
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Even if Maye leaves, safety is at best our sixth highest position of need. Edge, corner, OL, tight end, and LB are all higher imo.
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I think you guys are underestimating how much a drafting the top safety with a premium pick can turn a team around.
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I think you guys are underestimating how much a drafting the top safety with a premium pick can turn a team around.
It's true, remember how good 2017's 5 wins felt compared to 2016's 5 wins?
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It's true, remember how good 2017's 5 wins felt compared to 2016's 5 wins?
At least someone gets it.
But I would like Kyle Hamilton on this team, just not for the top 10 pick
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Evan Neal and Tyler Linderbaum
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We'll probably draft Jaxson Kirkland #1 overall and I will walk into traffic
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We'll probably draft Jaxson Kirkland #1 overall and I will walk into traffic
Spelling Jackson like "Jaxson" should automatically drop him to the 5th round.
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Spelling Jackson like "Jaxson" should automatically drop him to the 5th round.
Maybe they were just big fans of Sons of Anarchy.
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Maybe they were just big fans of Sons of Anarchy.
Fine...6th round then.
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Seattle lost, 18th pick in the draft rn via the Jamal Adams trade
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The emergence of Malik Willis is good for us
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The emergence of Malik Willis is good for us
He was QB1 before the season started
There is no emergence
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He was QB1 before the season started
There is no emergence
To you, maybe. Before the season started most analysts seemed to have Rattler and Howell as their top QBs.
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A couple weeks ago everyone, including Heismanberg, was saying how much this QB class sucks. The more that can work their way into the top-5 conversation, the better for us.
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A couple weeks ago everyone, including Heismanberg, was saying how much this QB class sucks. The more that can work their way into the top-5 conversation, the better for us.
It does suck, especially compared to last year’s
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A couple weeks ago everyone, including Heismanberg, was saying how much this QB class sucks. The more that can work their way into the top-5 conversation, the better for us.
The class can suck and Willis can still be the best QB out of the crappy quarterbacks. But yes, if he can establish himself as a top-5 pick, that would be good for us.
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It does suck, especially compared to last year’s
Not going to argue with that. Need usually outweighs value when it comes to the QB position. That's why there's been at least one taken in the top-3 every year since 2014 (2001, if you exclude 2013). I'll be surprised if that streak is broken.
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I’m putting on the Geno jersey for the first time ever
Jets win 21-17
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I’m putting on the Geno jersey for the first time ever
Jets win 21-17
Do It!
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Keep drafting OL high until our OL doesn’t suck anymore
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Keep drafting OL high until our OL doesn’t suck anymore
It will happen and somehow get worse.
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I feel like our draft strategy of taking cornerbacks late has been working pretty well, especially considering how many highly drafted cornerbacks have been busting recently.
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Draft an ELITE edge rusher
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Man is Kyle Hamilton gonna look good in the Green and White
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Man is Kyle Hamilton gonna look good in the Green and White
Kyle Hamilton to IR because of this comment.
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Evan Neal and Linderbaum with our first 2 picks or we riot
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Evan Neal and Tyler Linderbaum
Evan Neal and Tyler Linderbaum
Evan Neal and Tyler Linderbaum
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Evan Neal and Linderbaum with our first 2 picks or we riot
Can Evan Neal GORD?
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Can Evan Neal GORD?
Becton-AVT-Linderbaum-GVR-Neal
He won't go away
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Becton-AVT-Linderbaum-GVR-Neal
He won't go away
This line up would go a long way in convincing me to buy a bullet and rent a gun.
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Can Evan Neal GORD?
If not, Zion Johnson, BC
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Becton-AVT-Linderbaum-Scherff-Neal
FTFY
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https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1442964021225787394?s=21
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https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1442964021225787394?s=21
The third completely unnecessary block was reminiscent of Quenton Nelson. "I don't know where the runner is but I'm going to keep smashing people until someone tells me not to!"
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https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1442964021225787394?s=21
Pick this man now.
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Don't think anyone will be trading up with us for Spencer Rattler
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Don't think anyone will be trading up with us for Spencer Rattler
With Jurkovec hurt and Rattler absolutely sucking, 2022 is going to look a lot like 2013 at QB.
Ridder might end up being QB1. Rough.
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With Jurkovec hurt and Rattler absolutely sucking, 2022 is going to look a lot like 2013 at QB.
Ridder might end up being QB1. Rough.
Thank freaking god we didn’t wait a year and hang on to Sam only to have it implode
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Thank freaking god we didn’t wait a year and hang on to Sam only to have it implode
We really are in a great spot.
Lots of ammo to build around the QB.
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Thank freaking god we didn’t wait a year and hang on to Sam only to have it implode
This was one of the biggest reasons to move on. This class never looked good on paper. You never know for sure, but it certainly looked that way. And if Darnold tanks and there isn't a legit QB available, that's how you end up running out Geno Smith for 2 years.
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https://twitter.com/lyletheegg/status/1447349144553656324?s=21
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Absolute tragedy we don’t have the 1 pick
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Absolute tragedy we don’t have the 1 pick
The Jags are the first team in the SB era to have made zero FGs through the first 5 games.
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Thibodeaux/Neal with our first pick
Linderbaum with our 2nd pick
Nothing else excites me at this point
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Thibodeaux/Neal with our first pick
Linderbaum with our 2nd pick
Nothing else excites me at this point
Tailgate 2022 might excite you....or a french tickler.
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We can't take another tackle. Our tackles have been fine the past two weeks.
We need a legit EDGE rusher, a corner, or a #1 WR.
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We can't take another tackle. Our tackles have been fine the past two weeks.
We need a legit EDGE rusher, a corner, or a #1 WR.
Our IOL needs to be a priority
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We can't take another tackle. Our tackles have been fine the past two weeks.
We need a legit EDGE rusher, a corner, or a #1 WR.
Do you see Fant or Moses as long term solutions?
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I wouldn’t be a fan of taking a CB or WR top 5, not in this class
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I wouldn’t be a fan of taking a CB or WR top 5, not in this class
we're drafting back to back safeties.
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Do you see Fant or Moses as long term solutions?
I think both of them have been fine.
If we draft another tackle in 2022, we'll have to pay Becton, AVT, and that guy all around the same time.
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I think both of them have been fine.
If we draft another tackle in 2022, we'll have to pay Becton, AVT, and that guy all around the same time.
That wouldn’t be ideal, but we also always whiff on the good OL in Free Agency.
If there was a way to assure Linderbaum, I’m fine going in another direction at pick 1. I think Neal and Kenyon Green are the only possibilities there anyways. I just don’t love the top of this year’s draft class outside of Thibs
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I just don’t love the top of this year’s draft class outside of Thibs
Three potentially elite EDGE defenders at the top: Thibs, Jackson, and Hutchinson
I'd go Thibs then Stingley if Thibs is off the board (if we go defense)
Drake London is in for a huge rise too
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Drake London and Tyler Linderbaum is my ideal first round right now
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Drake London and Tyler Linderbaum is my ideal first round right now
Drake London sounds like a guy who should be serving drinks at Studio 54
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Our IOL needs to be a priority
^ This (and a QB killer). And I hope fleet-of-foot Hawkeye Tyler Lindy's not going to end a slightly underweight A-gap liability (LaF's wide zone scheme notwithstanding).
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Out of 9 OL: 2 good (when available), 2 serviceable, the rest are bums and/or washouts. The OL is not close to being close..
AVT : )
Becton - part timer
Fant : l
Moses : l
McGovern : (
Van Roten : (
Edoga : (
Clark - spinal tap out
Feeney - useless
Isiah Williams - here's the Isiah Williams world tour:
Washington Redskins (2016–2017)*
Kansas City Chiefs (2017)*
Indianapolis Colts (2017)
Washington Redskins (2018)*
Oakland Raiders (2018)*
New Orleans Saints (2018)*
Atlanta Legends (2019)
Baltimore Ravens (2019)*
Tampa Bay Vipers (2020)
San Francisco 49ers (2020)
New York Jets (2021–present)
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McGovern is OK, getting better. Feeney is a decent backup, bad starter. Since he isn't a starter, he's ok.
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McGovern is OK, getting better. Feeney is a decent backup, bad starter. Since he isn't a starter, he's ok.
McGovern is a 5 year veteran. I don't see him suddenly breaking out into a good player.
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McGovern has been solid since Week 2. The problem is Van Roten.
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McGovern has been solid since Week 2. The problem is Van Roten.
If we even had below average RG play let alone above average play McGovern would look pretty good
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McShay top 32:
1. Kayvon Thibodeaux, Edge, Oregon
2. Derek Stingley, CB, LSU
3. Evan Neal, OT, Alabama
4. Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame
5. Aidan Hutchinson, Edge, Michigan
6. Malik Willis, QB, Liberty
7. Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State
8. Garrett Wilson, WR, Ohio State
9. DeMarvin Leal, DL, Texas A&M
10. Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State
11. Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida
12. Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn State
13. Jordan Davis, DT, Georgia
14. Nakobe Dean, ILB, Georgia
15. Nichols Petit-Frete, OT, Ohio State
16. Devin Lloyd, LB, Utah
17. George Karalaftis, Edge, Purdue
18. Treylon Burks, WR, Arkansas
19. Jalen Wydermyer, TE, Texas A&M
20. Tyler Linderbaum, C, Iowa
21. Matt Corral, QB, Ole Miss
22. Andrew Booth, CB, Clemson
23. Ahmad Gardner, CB, Cincinnati
24. Drake London, WR, USC
25. Brandon Smith, LB, Penn State
26. John Metchie, WR, Alabama
27. Kenny Pickett, QB, Pittsburgh
28. Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama
29. Adam Anderson, Edge, Georgia
30. Zion Johnson, OT/G, Boston College
31. Roger McCreary, CB, Auburn
32. Desmond Ridder, QB, Cincinnati
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Great receiver and EDGE class
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Forgive any misspellings, I copied the list from someone who bypassed the ESPN+ paywall.
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Gotta admit, I'm a little surprised by 4 quarterbacks in the top 32. Hopefully, 1 or 2 of them get a lot of hype in the pre-draft process.
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Optimal situation IMHO:
Spin that Seahawks first into more picks as you trade back into the middle or bottom of the round and grab Linderbaum.
Would also LOVE to see Derek Stingley in a Jets uniform.
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Optimal situation IMHO:
Spin that Seahawks first into more picks as you trade back into the middle or bottom of the round and grab Linderbaum.
Would also LOVE to see Derek Stingley in a Jets uniform.
I'm hoping that our young cornerbacks show enough where we don't need to take a cornerback in the top 10.
But yes, looking at that big board, a trade down looks optimal. Granted, I almost always feel that way.
Interior OL and BPA seems to be the move with those 2 picks. Trading down could be difficult without elite quarterbacks out there.
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I'm hoping that our young cornerbacks show enough where we don't need to take a cornerback in the top 10.
But yes, looking at that big board, a trade down looks optimal. Granted, I almost always feel that way.
Interior OL and BPA seems to be the move with those 2 picks. Trading down could be difficult without elite quarterbacks out there.
Have to think that TE is very high on the list as well. I don't know enough about the college players to know whether any of them would be a reach with one of our first round picks, but in the end I remain of the view that it's probably better to reach a few spots to get a top talent at a position of huge need than to take BPA at a position of less importance - especially when we already have a excrement ton of picks to fall back on.
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Have to think that TE is very high on the list as well. I don't know enough about the college players to know whether any of them would be a reach with one of our first round picks, but in the end I remain of the view that it's probably better to reach a few spots to get a top talent at a position of huge need than to take BPA at a position of less importance - especially when we already have a excrement ton of picks to fall back on.
I haven't studied the draft enough either, but the Jets don't have enough great players. We aren't good enough to draft for need. Outside of QB and DT, we can literally take any position in the top 10 and it would fill a need.
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Gotta admit, I'm a little surprised by 4 quarterbacks in the top 32. Hopefully, 1 or 2 of them get a lot of hype in the pre-draft process.
This should be nearly guaranteed, right? The last time a QB hasn't gone top 3 was 2013. The positional value is unavoidably inflated at this point.
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I see 4. Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame in our future.
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Charles Cross sounds like bounty hunter you donn't want to freak with
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Have to think that TE is very high on the list as well. I don't know enough about the college players to know whether any of them would be a reach with one of our first round picks, but in the end I remain of the view that it's probably better to reach a few spots to get a top talent at a position of huge need than to take BPA at a position of less importance - especially when we already have a excrement ton of picks to fall back on.
If we wind up with a pick after 1.20 and we've already added a premium player to the offensive line, I'm OK taking Jalen Wydermyer.
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Ari Meirov
@MySportsUpdate
USC standout WR Drake London, a projected 2022 first-round pick, was carted off tonight with a lower leg injury. They put his right leg in an air cast, often indicating there's a fracture. Not good.
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If one of our first rounders drops into the teens....players I'm looking at for that pick (in random order)
-Tyler Linderbaum
-Devin Lloyd
-chris olave
-Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner
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I’m willing to compromise
I will allow 1 defensive player in exchange for 1 Gord
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If one of our first rounders drops into the teens....players I'm looking at for that pick (in random order)
-Tyler Linderbaum
-Devin Lloyd
-chris olave
-Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner
I don't think Olave fits with our current wideout group. We either need a speedster (Jameson Williams) or a possession guy (Drake London/David Bell). Treylon Burks and Garrett Wilson can do it all, but I think those guys are going top ten. Jahan Dotson is the kind of receiver that LaFleur loves. He's very similar to Elijah Moore.
If Gardner runs in the 4.4s, he's likely going top ten.
Devin Lloyd could go top ten as well.
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I don't think Olave fits with our current wideout group. We either need a speedster (Jameson Williams) or a possession guy (Drake London/David Bell). Treylon Burks and Garrett Wilson can do it all, but I think those guys are going top ten. Jahan Dotson is the kind of receiver that LaFleur loves. He's very similar to Elijah Moore.
If Gardner runs in the 4.4s, he's likely going top ten.
Devin Lloyd could go top ten as well.
We need a few QBs to go in the top 10
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We need a few QBs to go in the top 10
Matt Corral and Kenny Pickett hopefully do.
Desmond Ridder playing well in the CFB Playoff helps us too.
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Matt Corral and Kenny Pickett hopefully do.
Desmond Ridder playing well in the CFB Playoff helps us too.
There's rumblings that the Giants like Corral with one of their 1st rounders.
Could see it happening if that franchise cleans house.
Maybe a team in the top 10 reaches for Malik Willis
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There's rumblings that the Giants like Corral with one of their 1st rounders.
WAY too early to know that. Gettleman might be gone. Judge could be gone. A new regime might go in a completely different direction.
Russell Wilson will likely be on their radar too.
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WAY too early to know that. Gettleman might be gone. Judge could be gone. A new regime might go in a completely different direction.
Russell Wilson will likely be on their radar too.
Oh yeah...definitely too early. Doesn't hurt to wish it into existence
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WAY too early to know that. Gettleman might be gone. Judge could be gone. A new regime might go in a completely different direction.
Russell Wilson will likely be on their radar too.
Oh yeah...definitely too early. Doesn't hurt to wish it into existence
again as has been said, way too early to tell. but you have to think that for any of the teams that end up trading for wilson (ie teams with QB needs with multiple 1st rd picks - Giants, Eagles), that one of the netted return 1st round picks may very well be used on a QB replacement for wilson
as badge said the inflation/value of the QB come draft time is inarguable at this point. we see guys coming out of 'weak qb group' years go very high all the time. i'd quite frankly be shocked if 2 QBs didn't go top 10
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again as has been said, way too early to tell. but you have to think that for any of the teams that end up trading for wilson (ie teams with QB needs with multiple 1st rd picks - Giants, Eagles), that one of the netted return 1st round picks may very well be used on a QB replacement for wilson
as badge said the inflation/value of the QB come draft time is inarguable at this point. we see guys coming out of 'weak qb group' years go very high all the time. i'd quite frankly be shocked if 2 QBs didn't go top 10
Same. Even though it’s a weaker class, they’ll still go. I’ll always have faith after Christian Ponder and Jake Locker.
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Same. Even though it’s a weaker class, they’ll still go. I’ll always have faith after Christian Ponder and Jake Locker.
Jake Locker was talented as freak. He was just made of glass.
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My hope is that we're either in position to take Thibs/Hutch or in a prime trade-up spot for a QB needy team.
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Jake Locker was talented as freak. He was just made of glass.
He was also highly inaccurate and turnover prone. Something I hope we're not saying about Zach in a year...
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That draft was also odd because of the lack of an offseason. Teams wanted to secure their quarterbacks in that draft, so they were willing to reach.
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My hope is that we're either in position to take Thibs/Hutch or we're in a trade-up spot for a QB needy team.
This feels like a perfect spot for the why not both? Meme
Picks 2 and 5 would be the nearly ideal scenario for this playing out
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This feels like a perfect spot for the why not both? Meme
Picks 2 and 5 would be the nearly ideal scenario for this playing out
If both were to happen, that would be phenomenal but I've grown increasingly skeptical that we'll be in position to take Thibs or Hutch.
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If both were to happen, that would be phenomenal but I've grown increasingly skeptical that we'll be in position to take Thibs or Hutch.
If Wilson plays like today for the rest of the season, we will win at least one more and possibly 2-3 more. We really need Seattle to pack it in and go 3-14. That’s honestly the very best scenario for us. The absolute very best.
2nd best scenario is we end up at 3 or 4 and somebody decides a QB is worth it, and somebody decides that an offensive lineman to keep their qb alive is worth more than a pass rusher so we end up with a top 2 player at 3 or 4. I just don’t think we are that lucky
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If Wilson plays like today for the rest of the season, we will win at least one more and possibly 2-3 more. We really need Seattle to pack it in and go 3-14. That’s honestly the very best scenario for us. The absolute very best.
2nd best scenario is we end up at 3 or 4 and somebody decides a QB is worth it, and somebody decides that an offensive lineman to keep their qb alive is worth more than a pass rusher so we end up with a top 2 player at 3 or 4. I just don’t think we are that lucky
No excrement it's the best scenario that Seattle goes 3-14, but that was never realistic. Their schedule is pretty easy down the stretch.
If we get Thibs or Hutch, it's because the Jets lost enough games to put themselves in that situation. Or one of their stocks isn't quite as high as we think it is.
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If Wilson plays like today for the rest of the season, we will win at least one more and possibly 2-3 more. We really need Seattle to pack it in and go 3-14. That’s honestly the very best scenario for us. The absolute very best.
2nd best scenario is we end up at 3 or 4 and somebody decides a QB is worth it, and somebody decides that an offensive lineman to keep their qb alive is worth more than a pass rusher so we end up with a top 2 player at 3 or 4. I just don’t think we are that lucky
We have 1 win left, maybe. Our defense is washed.
Seattle will win a couple more. They have the Texans and Lions left to play.
Seattle finishing worse than us is a pipe dream. If we are lucky, they finish near the 10 pick.
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We have 1 win left, maybe. Our defense is washed.
Seattle will win a couple more. They have the Texans and Lions left to play.
Seattle finishing worse than us is a pipe dream. If we are lucky, they finish near the 10 pick.
This. It's fun to look at the draft standings now, but Seattle will win some more games.
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If both were to happen, that would be phenomenal but I've grown increasingly skeptical that we'll be in position to take Thibs or Hutch.
Because you could never resign both if they became good
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https://twitter.com/justinpenik/status/1469697594242875392?s=21
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https://twitter.com/justinpenik/status/1469697594242875392?s=21
For Dan Campbell that was love at first sight.
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That flat footed tackle set himself up
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I'm expecting the Seahawks to win 3 more games so their pick will probably wind up in the 8-10 range. If that happens, I'm fully on board with taking Garrett Wilson with that pick. With Moore, Davis, and Wilson, we should be set at receiver for a while.
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https://twitter.com/eneal73/status/1414597237729107972?s=21
Do it
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https://twitter.com/eneal73/status/1414597237729107972?s=21
Do it
Could easily see this transferring on the field
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Seems like an excellent way to give yourself a groin or quad strain.
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Big Jarron Gilbert energy
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Big Jarron Gilbert energy
Strong reference.
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Big Jarron Gilbert energy
Was he the guy with the video jumping out of the pool?
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Was he the guy with the video jumping out of the pool?
yes
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yes
Google says he was on the Jets for two years. I remember him jumping out of a pool but have no recollection of him playing for the Jets.
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Google says he was on the Jets for two years. I remember him jumping out of a pool but have no recollection of him playing for the Jets.
We were undefeated against pools during that span.
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We were undefeated against pools during that span.
Brodney Pool wasn't against us
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Google says he was on the Jets for two years. I remember him jumping out of a pool but have no recollection of him playing for the Jets.
I remember recirculating the video when we signed him, since he was an extremely popular player on NFL Draft message boards.
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There is a reason you don't remember him playing for the Jets.
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https://twitter.com/eneal73/status/1414597237729107972?s=21
Do it
Impressive. What's curious is that Neal who was top 10 in a lot of mocks wasn't first team in the AP All-American lineup.
https://apnews.com/article/college-football-sports-ohio-alabama-crimson-tide-football-alabama-cfc6067ea8e0e269617f20fee772c9c9
Some pre-season big names left off altogether (e.g. A&M's Wydermeyer, Spiller), i.e. not even 3rd team.
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On 12/5 I took Kayvon to be the #1 pick at -110 odds.
Same book now was Hutchinson to be the #1 pick at -150 odds and Kayvon at +200
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https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/rk5byw/i_think_he_needs_to_be_bumped_up_a_grade/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/rk5byw/i_think_he_needs_to_be_bumped_up_a_grade/)
Found our next power back
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We really need a back like Kyren Williams.
He is elite in pass protection and catches the ball better than just about any back in this draft class. He'd pair well with Michael Carter, who has struggled in pass pro.
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TE class is also deceptively loaded.
West coast TEs are ballers: CSU's Trey McBride, Nevada's Cole Turner, and UCLA's Greg Dulcich
Hopefully we get one of these guys
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UTSA CB Tariq Woolen is a riser that fits our Cover 3 scheme.
6'4 corner with 4.3 speed...
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Hutchinson undraftable in the top 3 IMO
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Hutchinson undraftable in the top 3 IMO
He's basically a tin can of pee.
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I heard he's a Marxist.
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It’s been a little bit, so here’s your reminder that the Jets own the following picks:
1st
1st (SEA - Adams Trade)
2nd
2nd (CAR - Darnold Trade)
3rd
Someone do the updates on positioning of these picks.
I am drunk
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My giants fan friend texted me saying “giants have 5 picks in the top 100” and I kinda laughed. Last time I had checked Jets have 5 in the top 50.
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Breed tub
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Someone do the updates on positioning of these picks.
I am drunk
Also drunk but here we go:
R1: 4, 7
R2: 35 (3), 38 (6)
R3: 69 (nice) (5)
Also an extra 4th courtesy of the Vikings and an extra 5th from the Steelers.
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Also drunk but here we go:
R1: 4, 7
R2: 35 (3), 38 (6)
R3: 69 (nice) (5)
Also an extra 4th courtesy of the Vikings.
MY MAN
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So 4 in the top 40, and 5 in the top 70.
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5 in the top 69 is better vibes tbh
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I’ve been trying not to think ahead, but this is a pretty exciting draft. I’m assuming we’ve never had 2 picks this high. Has any team?
And then we have a solid slate of draft picks after. Pretty exciting considering JD has found some players in the latter rounds lately (Bryce Hall, Echols, MC2). If this the year for a Gord? In the latter rounds???
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https://jetswire.usatoday.com/lists/new-york-jets-how-have-other-teams-used-2-top-10-nfl-draft-picks/
I'll take the Chris Samuels/LaVar Arrington or Shawn Springs/Walter Jones combo.
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I’ve been trying not to think ahead, but this is a pretty exciting draft. I’m assuming we’ve never had 2 picks this high. Has any team?
Browns in the Mayfield draft, right?
But yeah, I don't know excrement about college players until I start watching highlights in the offseason but given how good our rookie class looks this year I am really excited about next year's class.
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In a perfect world with those top 69 picks (assuming no trades)
- 1-2 offensive playmakers (WR, TE, maybe even RB at 69)
- 1 startable OL
- 1 edge
- 1-2 linebackers/cornerbacks/safeties
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In a perfect world with those top 69 picks (assuming no trades)
- 1-2 offensive playmakers (WR, TE, maybe even RB at 69)
- 1 startable OL
- 1 edge
- 1-2 linebackers/cornerbacks/safeties
Without knowing prospects well, my ideal is edge and WR in round 1, OL and secondary in round 2, LB or TE in round 3.
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Without knowing prospects well, my ideal is edge and WR in round 1, OL and secondary in round 2, LB or TE in round 3.
I think we need to go LB over CB in this one
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I think we need to go LB over CB in this one
I dream of Jamien Sherwood being a legit starting LB
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I’ve been trying not to think ahead, but this is a pretty exciting draft. I’m assuming we’ve never had 2 picks this high. Has any team?
And then we have a solid slate of draft picks after. Pretty exciting considering JD has found some players in the latter rounds lately (Bryce Hall, Echols, MC2). If this the year for a Gord? In the latter rounds???
The 1992 Colts are the only team to ever have the top two picks in a draft in any of the four major professional sports leagues.
They took Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt, lol
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In a perfect world with those top 69 picks (assuming no trades)
- 1-2 offensive playmakers (WR, TE, maybe even RB at 69)
- 1 startable OL
- 1 edge
- 1-2 linebackers/cornerbacks/safeties
Using this as a guide... and a little bit of hopefulness
4 - Ikem Ekwonu - OG / OT - NC State
7 - Jameson Williams - WR - Alabama
35 - Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
38 - Nakobe Dean - LB - Georgia
69 - Zach Harrison - Edge - Ohio State
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https://twitter.com/pff/status/1478403363016433664?s=21
Jags Drafting Neal and Lions or Texans taking a QB would be so clutch
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Using this as a guide... and a little bit of hopefulness
4 - Ikem Ekwonu - OG / OT - NC State
7 - Jameson Williams - WR - Alabama
35 - Trey McBride - TE - Colorado State
38 - Nakobe Dean - LB - Georgia
69 - Zach Harrison - Edge - Ohio State
I can't see any way Nakobe Dean falls out of the top-15. I think his stock is going to explode in the lead-up to the draft.
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I can't see any way Nakobe Dean falls out of the top-15. I think his stock is going to explode in the lead-up to the draft.
then we hope Devin Lloyd drops to the top of the 2nd rd.
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Leo Chenal surprisingly declared early. He's a really good LB prospect.
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Leo Chenal surprisingly declared early. He's a really good LB prospect.
Uncle Leo...hullo!
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I can't see any way Nakobe Dean falls out of the top-15. I think his stock is going to explode in the lead-up to the draft.
Oh I don't either, especially if he has an even remotely competent performance in the final. But he's still an early 2nd round prospect in some places.
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Any good Elijah's or Alijah's declare?
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Any good Elijah's or Alijah's declare?
https://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/massachusetts/concord/concord-carlisle-high-school1/olijah-williams
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https://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/massachusetts/concord/concord-carlisle-high-school1/olijah-williams
We definitely need an olijah
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Y’all got any more of them Michael Carter’s?
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Starting to get horny for the draft
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Starting to get horny for the draft
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if JD looks at the emergence of Fant as a top option at LT and the use of 1sts on becton/AVT as reasons not to allocate another top 'premium' pick of ours on OL when we have so many other needs, are there any versatile OT/G - type prospects that may be available with one of our 2nd round picks?
obviously have the entirety of the evaluational period to come and have to see how the board plays out, and pick the best players possible, but would be nice knowing how flexible we can be going into it
feels good having this many picks so early in the draft
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if JD looks at the emergence of Fant as a top option at LT and the use of 1sts on becton/AVT as reasons not to allocate another top 'premium' pick of ours on OL when we have so many other needs, are there any versatile OT/G - type prospects that may be available with one of our 2nd round picks?
obviously have the entirety of the evaluational period to come and have to see how the board plays out, and pick the best players possible, but would be nice knowing how flexible we can be going into it
feels good having this many picks so early in the draft
Boston College’s Zion Johnson
Georgia’s Jamaree Salyer
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DeMarvion Overshown is the best name in the draft.
And yes MB, it's better than Storm Duck
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DeMarvion Overshown is the best name in the draft.
And yes MB, it's better than Storm Duck
#FearTheQuack
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/muer3a/does_positional_war_suggest_that_the_value_of_an/
This has me opening up to the idea of Kyle Hamilton if both of the top Edge guys are gone, and pairing him with a WR with Seattles pick.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/muer3a/does_positional_war_suggest_that_the_value_of_an/
This has me opening up to the idea of Kyle Hamilton if both of the top Edge guys are gone, and pairing him with a WR with Seattles pick.
EDGE 3, 4, and 5 are all better value than Kyle Hamilton
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/muer3a/does_positional_war_suggest_that_the_value_of_an/
This has me opening up to the idea of Kyle Hamilton if both of the top Edge guys are gone, and pairing him with a WR with Seattles pick.
This has me opening up to the idea of thumping nerds in the nose.
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This has me opening up to the idea of thumping nerds in the nose.
Did you know that Jerry Rice wasn't actually good because some analytics nerd made a pie chart?
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/muer3a/does_positional_war_suggest_that_the_value_of_an/
This has me opening up to the idea of Kyle Hamilton if both of the top Edge guys are gone, and pairing him with a WR with Seattles pick.
Translating WAR to football is a losing battle, there are way too many variables on every single play to allow for consistently good grading, and there is too much volatility over a 17 game schedule to determine accurate positional value even given perfect grading.
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You know how to eliminate a rangy safety from most plays? Run the football.
That safety then becomes a non-coverage player when a defense loads the box and asks that safety to read run.
A player like Jameson Williams also keeps that safety out of the box making it easier to run the football.
If there's one position you can screw with as an offense, it's the safeties.
A guard is more impactful on a football game than a safety.
An edge player can make an impact on every single play: they are a run defender, a pass rusher, and sometimes even a coverage player.
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I'd much rather take Stingley than Hamilton.
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I'd much rather take Stingley than Hamilton.
I think i'm off the "DB in the first round" train. I like our young CBs, and we should never use a 1st round pick on a Safety again.
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I think i'm off the "DB in the first round" train. I like our young CBs, and we should never use a 1st round pick on a Safety again.
My man.
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I think i'm off the "DB in the first round" train. I like our young CBs, and we should never use a 1st round pick on a Safety again.
Me too but I can understand if we decide to take Stingley as the BPA rather than the 3rd edge rusher.
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I think i'm off the "DB in the first round" train. I like our young CBs, and we should never use a 1st round pick on a Safety again.
Recency bias at its finest. Brandon Echols is not a player we should be relying on as a starter. We should be trying to upgrade him so Stefan Diggs doesn't make him his bitch twice a year
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Me too but I can understand if we decide to take Stingley as the BPA rather than the 3rd edge rusher.
I'm going WR/OL over Stingley if need be
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Recency bias at its finest. Brandon Echols is not a player we should be relying on as a starter. We should be trying to upgrade him so Stefan Diggs doesn't make him his bitch twice a year
put Hall on Diggs.
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Recency bias at its finest. Brandon Echols is not a player we should be relying on as a starter. We should be trying to upgrade him so Stefan Diggs doesn't make him his bitch twice a year
Yeah, I like our young DBs but historically it's been difficult to find star-level talent at CB outside the 1st round.
Of course if one's attitude is just that we can make do with the kind of guys we have there and build elsewhere, fine. But then nobody should have particularly high expectations for those guys.
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Recency bias at its finest. Brandon Echols is not a player we should be relying on as a starter. We should be trying to upgrade him so Stefan Diggs doesn't make him his bitch twice a year
He's a rookie. Unless you have reason to believe that Echols has already hit his ceiling, maybe let's take time to develop a promising young player before we start thinking about drafting his replacement, eh?
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Daniel Jeremiah's profile of Stingley from last summer: https://www.nfl.com/news/scouting-derek-stingley-jr-lsu-corner-reminiscent-of-marshon-lattimore-with-lock
Compares him to Marshon Lattimore.
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I wouldn’t be upset if our strategy is to run it back with Hall, Echols, Carter, and Pinnock in year 2 (3 for Hall). Those guys have varying degrees of potential, we have nothing but holes at DE, LB, and S
Can’t fix it all at once and I think CB is actually only one of the slight strengths of the team (partially by default because we have barely any strengths)
I wouldn’t count on it to keep up, but JD’s hit rate on late round corners looks good right now. Our DB coach did a hell of a job with this group this year, I wouldn’t mind letting it play out.
I do think we will end up spending some resources at corner, rightfully so. Just saying I won’t care if we ignore it for other positions.
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I wouldn’t be upset if our strategy is to run it back with Hall, Echols, Carter, and Pinnock in year 2 (3 for Hall). Those guys have varying degrees of potential, we have nothing but holes at DE, LB, and S
Can’t fix it all at once and I think CB is actually only one of the slight strengths of the team (partially by default because we have barely any strengths)
I wouldn’t count on it to keep up, but JD’s hit rate on late round corners looks good right now. Our DB coach did a hell of a job with this group this year, I wouldn’t mind letting it play out.
This staff knows how to scout defensive backs. One of my biggest issues with Rex Ryan was that he claimed to be able to build a defense with a bunch of castoffs, but we kept using first rounders on defensive prospects.
Hopefully this coaching staff pushes Douglas to find sleepers and developmental diamonds in the later rounds like we saw with Seattle. The reason Seattle got good overnight is because they hit on later round DBs like Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor. Bobby Wagner was also a hell of a find in the second round.
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I hope we bring in a veteran corner in free agency.
Back up the Brinks truck for JC Jackson.
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If LaMarcus Joyner is healthy I wonder if they bring him back, probably get him for vet minimum now and if they liked him as a vet to work with our young secondary last spring then they might still feel the same way.
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If LaMarcus Joyner is healthy I wonder if they bring him back, probably get him for vet minimum now and if they liked him as a vet to work with our young secondary last spring then they might still feel the same way.
He's a safety though, which we do need.
Ashtyn Davis has been #good down the stretch. If we get an actual strong safety to play next to him, he can be a longterm starter for us.
Getting rid of Maye just has to happen. That's $10M to spend elsewhere.
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Not gonna do an in depth dive but:
Defense
Passing yards: 29th
Rushing yards: 29th
Here’s where I get lazy-
Yahoo fantasy stats:
Jets allowing:
1st most points to RBs
7th most points to TEs
22nd most points to WRs
I was looking for a way to build my argument that the Jets have had a couple strong individual performances at CB (mainly Hall and MCII) but our pass defense has still been excrement because we have no pass rush, our LB’s and S’s are horrible and can’t cover. Teams don’t even have to go to their WRs when they can kill us underneath. And just run the ball, but that’s a separate topic.
I wouldn’t mind looking at a depth chart with PFF grades, I’m sure our LB’s and S’s grades are a bloodbath
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All that said, if Stingley or Hamilton are the BPA at one of our picks, it is what it is. 2 Db’s in the top 7 would be the end of me though.
And if 1 of the picks is DB then I really really want the other pick to be offense. I could live with going EDGE and then DB.
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All that said, if Stingley or Hamilton are the BPA at one of our picks, it is what it is. 2 Db’s in the top 7 would be the end of me though.
And if 1 of the picks is DB then I really really want the other pick to be offense. I could live with going EDGE and then DB.
I agree in theory but in my amateur opinion I don't think either of them would be the BPA at our first pick. The Seattle pick is debatable.
Positional values aside, our CB/S situations are not strong enough to pass on one IF you think they're the BPA.
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I'm inclined to avoid Hamilton after how Malik Hooker turned out (realizing injuries are an issue aside, he isn't some all world player). At the back end of the first maybe but unless you're getting Ed Reed or Polamalu which is hardly a guarantee, I don't see the justification for using a top 15 pick on a safety under any circumstance.
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I just don’t think it’s the way you build a team. I don’t care how good Hamilton is, without a bunch of other upgrades our defense would still suck next year.
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I agree in theory but in my amateur opinion I don't think either of them would be the BPA at our first pick.
I don’t think so either so hopefully we can move on from that idea
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Thibodeaux, Hutchinson, Neal, Stingley, and Hamilton have been the consensus top-5 players in the draft for a while now. Obviously, there's plenty of time for this to change and I'm sure it will in the lead-up to the draft but it's definitely well within the realm of possibility that Stingley and Hamilton are the best players available for our first pick (at least according to the industry).
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Thibodeaux, Hutchinson, Neal, Stingley, and Hamilton have been the consensus top-5 players in the draft for a while now. Obviously, there's plenty of time for this to change and I'm sure it will in the lead-up to the draft but it's definitely well within the realm of possibility that Stingley and Hamilton are the best players available for our first pick (at least according to the industry).
Hutchinson was most definitely not. He rose up.
We had rankings with Spencer Rattler and Sam Howell in the top three.
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A guy like Travon Walker is an elite prospect that was overshadowed due to media coverage of Jordan Davis.
30+ QB pressures, elite weight room numbers, extremely versatile
There's an argument to be made that he's better than Hutchinson
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Hutchinson was most definitely not. He rose up.
We had rankings with Spencer Rattler and Sam Howell in the top three.
I know you hate him, but I'm a little surprised that Rattler didn't declare instead of transferring. I know he didn't have a great season but he's going to have to have a great one to be a more attractive prospect in 2023 against the quality of prospects coming out. He could easily be QB 5 or 6 at best next year if he doesn't light it up, he'd probably be 3 at worst this year.
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Hutchinson was most definitely not. He rose up.
We had rankings with Spencer Rattler and Sam Howell in the top three.
I'm aware of that. By a while, I really just meant since Hutch fully established himself in that group. The rest of them have been there since before the season started.
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I know you hate him, but I'm a little surprised that Rattler didn't declare instead of transferring. I know he didn't have a great season but he's going to have to have a great one to be a more attractive prospect in 2023 against the quality of prospects coming out. He could easily be QB 5 or 6 at best next year if he doesn't light it up, he'd probably be 3 at worst this year.
Rattler is Malachai Boardman
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I think Hutchinson has become a bit overrated as a talent. He seems like a guy who will be a very good to borderline elite player that never quite lives up to the expectations of a top-3 pick. Basically what Quinnen is right now...
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I know you hate him, but I'm a little surprised that Rattler didn't declare instead of transferring. I know he didn't have a great season but he's going to have to have a great one to be a more attractive prospect in 2023 against the quality of prospects coming out. He could easily be QB 5 or 6 at best next year if he doesn't light it up, he'd probably be 3 at worst this year.
He got benched and acted like a punk. His stock was at an all-time low. He at least transferred to a program that needs him. He'll have some decent weapons at South Carolina, plus he gets to play for the guy that recruited him to Oklahoma.
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Rattler is Malachai Boardman
He's the taxi driver from A Guy Thing
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He's the taxi driver from A Guy Thing
I prefer NoHo Hank
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Rattler's a Victor Varnado-Bart Simpson hybrid
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He's a rookie. Unless you have reason to believe that Echols has already hit his ceiling, maybe let's take time to develop a promising young player before we start thinking about drafting his replacement, eh?
Promising young player? He's a 6th round pick that was average. How about we bring in some competition and if he wins out he keeps the job.
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Promising young player? He's a 6th round pick that was average. How about we bring in some competition and if he wins out he keeps the job.
A rookie being "average" is pretty good and promising.
Nobody is saying to hand him the job next year. But I think we can treat it as a lower priority need than some of our other needs. We should bring in some competition but I dont think we should be where we spend a top 10 pick unless someone is blatantly the BPA.
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Promising young player? He's a 6th round pick that was average. How about we bring in some competition and if he wins out he keeps the job.
Echols has elite timed speed and he’s made several plays on the football, including a pick six.
I said this earlier in the week, but Seattle became a league power overnight because they hit on several mid and late round defensive players.
Bryce Hall, Brandin Echols, and Michael Carter II all look like hits. Of course we can look to upgrade the position but we’re worse off at LB, S, and EDGE on defense.
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Bryce Hall, Brandin Echols, and Michael Carter II all look like hits. Of course we can look to upgrade the position but we’re worse off at LB, S, and EDGE on defense.
i said this in another thread. get these boys a consistent pass rush and let them cook.
in totality echols' rookie year may only be average, but he made some big strides and has looked a better player these last several weeks, which all in all is a great thing to see from what was a late round pick.
our DBs have been playing with an inconsistent, average at best pass rush and 1 LB all year
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A rookie being "average" is pretty good and promising.
Nobody is saying to hand him the job next year. But I think we can treat it as a lower priority need than some of our other needs. We should bring in some competition but I dont think we should be where we spend a top 10 pick unless someone is blatantly the BPA.
That's more reasonable of a take. I just think we need to take off or green tinted lenses for a minute
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That's more reasonable of a take. I just think we need to take off or green tinted lenses for a minute
More reasonable a take than what?
If we're going to talk about reasonable takes, let's remember that I'm not the one advocating using a top ten pick to replace a promising rookie because he got lit up by one of the best receivers in the league.
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More reasonable a take than what?
If we're going to talk about reasonable takes, let's remember that I'm not the one advocating using a top ten pick to replace a promising rookie because he got lit up by one of the best receivers in the league.
Echols looked completely lost at times this year, but okay act like he played like Revis for 15 games except one where he got burned.
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Echols looked completely lost at times this year, but okay act like he played like Revis for 15 games except one where he got burned.
I'm not sure what your expectations are here, man. Do you think this defense can't function without 2 probowlers at the CB position or something?
Echols, Carter II and Hall all got better as the season progressed...and I expect them to continue to improve in 2022.
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Echols looked completely lost at times this year, but okay act like he played like Revis for 15 games except one where he got burned.
Please, go ahead and show me where I said anything remotely like that.
I referred to Echols as promising. You called him average. Smalls said that average = promising when it comes to a rookie, and you decided that was "more reasonable of a take". So you disagree with me calling him promising, but you agree that average is promising, while also believing that promising is the same as playing like Revis.
Walk away from this one, eh?
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I'm not sure what your expectations are here, man. Do you think this defense can't function without 2 probowlers at the CB position or something?
No, I think it would be nice to have one probowl cornerback.
Echols played great for a 6th round rookie, but going into year 2 draft status doesn't matter. Echols got abused and looked lost during games during a season where we did not go up against the top passing offenses.
- We played 7 of the leagues ten worst passing offenses.
- we lost to the bucs and titans without two of their probowl recievers. In both games their qbs threw for 300+ yards
- we lost to sam darnold, taysom hill, gardner minshew teddy Bridgewater, Mac Jones x2, Tua x2, and we barely beat tyrod taylor and Trevor lawrence
Excuse me if I think resting on our laurels is a good idea at cb
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Please, go ahead and show me where I said anything remotely like that.
I referred to Echols as promising. You called him average. Smalls said that average = promising when it comes to a rookie, and you decided that was "more reasonable of a take". So you disagree with me calling him promising, but you agree that average is promising, while also believing that promising is the same as playing like Revis.
Walk away from this one, eh?
Elijah moore, Michael Carter, avt are promising young players.
Brandon Echols outplayed his draft position. Happy?
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No, I think it would be nice to have one probowl cornerback.
Echols played great for a 6th round rookie, but going into year 2 draft status doesn't matter. Echols got abused and looked lost during games during a season where we did not go up against the top passing offenses.
- We played 7 of the leagues ten worst passing offenses.
- we lost to the bucs and titans without two of their probowl recievers. In both games their qbs threw for 300+ yards
- we lost to sam darnold, taysom hill, gardner minshew teddy Bridgewater, Mac Jones x2, Tua x2, and we barely beat tyrod taylor and Trevor lawrence
Excuse me if I think resting on our laurels is a good idea at cb
Jeff Okudah was taken 3rd overall by the Lions 2 seasons ago. He's only played 9 games in total, cant stay healthy, and has a single INT.
Drafting a DB in the top 10 doesn't automatically make them a probowler.
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The CBs have shown enough this season to warrant carrying them as starters into next season, possibly adding a FA depending on who shakes loose.
The safety position is in much worse shape, EDGE looks terrible. Adding another pass rusher to hurry the QB or adding a better safety to help over top will make the CBs look much better. Even if we draft a first round CB and he turns out to be Richard Sherman 2.0, it's not going to make the pass rush any better or improve the safety play.
Improving the EDGE or safety positions will make the CBs better. Improving the CB position won't help the pass rush or safeties nearly as much. Make the choice that improves the whole unit.
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When it comes to corner, I’m fine with bringing in a vet and/or continuing with the same mid round volume strategy.
If the pass rush improves, the corners will be fine.
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A guy like Travon Walker is an elite prospect that was overshadowed due to media coverage of Jordan Davis.
30+ QB pressures, elite weight room numbers, extremely versatile
There's an argument to be made that he's better than Hutchinson
The greatest trick Jordan Davis ever pulled was convincing the world that Jalen Carter didn't exist.
Guy is gonna go HIGH next year...
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I had Jameson Williams as my #4 prospect for the Jets.
Where is the highest you would draft him now?
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I had Jameson Williams as my #4 prospect for the Jets.
Where is the highest you would draft him now?
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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Alabama's Jameson Williams, the projected top WR in the 2022 NFL Draft, tore his ACL last night vs. Georgia, per sources. Doctors believe that, after surgery within the next 10 days, Williams will retain his sub 4.3 speed, and they expect a full recovery.
if the doctors are correct, still might be worth taking him in the top 10. Depends if you're willing to roll the dice, and that you trust your team doctor with your job.
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I had Jameson Williams as my #4 prospect for the Jets.
Where is the highest you would draft him now?
pick 69
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I had Jameson Williams as my #4 prospect for the Jets.
Where is the highest you would draft him now?
the teens
I think if he slips into the 20s, Douglas should try to move back into the first for him
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I had Jameson Williams as my #4 prospect for the Jets.
Where is the highest you would draft him now?
He's still in play at 4 for me. Due diligence szn.
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I didn't have a firm tier of the top-level receivers, but I think he would have to go to the back end of the top-tier receivers.
I would ideally like Wilson to be able to build chemistry with his new stud receiver in practice, which might not happen if Williams is rehabbing. That's why I wouldn't take him at 4 or 10 anymore. But there becomes a point where that talent is worth it, and that is probably mid-late round 1.
If we find a way to trade down out of 4 or 10, I'd love to either take Williams with that new pick, or use those picks to move back up to get him.
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I didn't have a firm tier of the top-level receivers, but I think he would have to go to the back end of the top-tier receivers.
I would ideally like Wilson to be able to build chemistry with his new stud receiver in practice, which might not happen if Williams is rehabbing. That's why I wouldn't take him at 4 or 10 anymore. But there becomes a point where that talent is worth it, and that is probably mid-late round 1.
If we find a way to trade down out of 4 or 10, I'd love to either take Williams with that new pick, or use those picks to move back up to get him.
I'm still holding out hope that
1. Packers win the super bowl
2. Aaron Rodgers retires
3. As a result, Davante adams chooses to leave GB
4. Aaron rodgers has a man crush on Zach Wilson after our training camp practices this year and tells DA to go to NY to play with him, the second coming of AR
5. Matt Lafleur let's him leave because he wants Mike to be successful
I think there is a 50/50 chance this happens
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I'm still holding out hope that
1. Packers win the super bowl
2. Aaron Rodgers retires
3. As a result, Davante adams chooses to leave GB
4. Aaron rodgers has a man crush on Zach Wilson after our training camp practices this year and tells DA to go to NY to play with him, the second coming of AR
5. Matt Lafleur let's him leave because he wants Mike to be successful
I think there is a 50/50 chance this happens
you should bring your cocaine dealer as your +1 to the next tailgate.
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Iowa TE Sam LaPorta is staying in school
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Iowa TE Sam LaPorta is staying in school
chiudere la porta
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chiudere la porta
LaPorta Potty
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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17h
Alabama's Jameson Williams, the projected top WR in the 2022 NFL Draft, tore his ACL last night vs. Georgia, per sources. Doctors believe that, after surgery within the next 10 days, Williams will retain his sub 4.3 speed, and they expect a full recovery.
if the doctors are correct, still might be worth taking him in the top 10. Depends if you're willing to roll the dice, and that you trust your team doctor with your job.
with the state of these sorts of surgeries and how far we've come, they very well may be correct, but there is no way to absolutely, 100% guarantee that he will retain sub 4.3 speed. you never know until you see what happens. he may come back a completely different player, we don't know. they have to say that to remain postured as a top WR prospect, but it would be absolutely crazy to expend one of our first round picks on a risk like that.
on top of that, if we take a WR that high, i'd actually like them to be available and fully healthy this year to build with zach, and be a weapon for him. that wouldn't happen with williams if he has to spend the next 9-12 months rehabbing
using a 1st on williams is completely out for me
trading one of our 2nd rounders for ridley becomes a more appealing move now
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"Sub-4.3 speed"
He's fast, but I doubt that.
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on top of that, if we take a WR that high, i'd actually like them to be available and fully healthy this year to build with zach, and be a weapon for him. that wouldn't happen with williams if he has to spend the next 9-12 months rehabbing
This is where I'm at although I can't rule him out in the 1st.
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Throw all of the picks at offense
How else are we going to keep up in a game with Mahomes/Allen/Herbert/Burrow
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Throw all of the picks at offense
How else are we going to keep up in a game with Mahomes/Allen/Herbert/Burrow
Ekwonu/Linderbaum coming up
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The Chiefs are just insanely fortunate offensively.
They've been so good (lucky?) at finding top offensive talent late (Tyreek Hill, Mecole Hardman, Travis Kelce) that they were able to use a first rounder on a running back. And that RB is being outplayed by Jerick McKinnon.
No high draft picks on the offensive line either. They traded for Orlando Brown, spent big on Thuney, were able to pull Kyle Long off the couch because they're contenders, and they hit on Creed Humphrey outside of the first round.
They don't have first round picks. They traded the farm to move up for Mahomes and then traded again to protect him with Orlando Brown. They also traded premium picks for Frank Clark (an edge).
KC's front office is using premium picks to acquire proven talent at premium positions.
The Jets seriously need to consider moving a premium pick for a proven playmaker or offensive lineman. That's how we can help Zach Wilson.
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I love the draft more than just about anybody, but if we can move some of these picks for great, proven offensive talent, make the freaking trade.
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This offseason is so insanely critical if we're going to contend while Wilson is on his rookie contract.
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The Chiefs are just insanely fortunate offensively.
They've been so good (lucky?) at finding top offensive talent late (Tyreek Hill, Mecole Hardman, Travis Kelce) that they were able to use a first rounder on a running back. And that RB is being outplayed by Jerick McKinnon.
No high draft picks on the offensive line either. They traded for Orlando Brown, spent big on Thuney, were able to pull Kyle Long off the couch because they're contenders, and they hit on Creed Humphrey outside of the first round.
They don't have first round picks. They traded the farm to move up for Mahomes and then traded again to protect him with Orlando Brown. They also traded premium picks for Frank Clark (an edge).
KC's front office is using premium picks to acquire proven talent at premium positions.
The Jets seriously need to consider moving a premium pick for a proven playmaker or offensive lineman. That's how we can help Zach Wilson.
I've been saying this for a while.
This is the offseason to trade for veteran help. We have a surplus of draft picks, and we need talent now. Even if it's a defensive guy we trade for, we need to start winning something next year to finally change the narrative and build some momentum for 2023 and 2024 when we will hopefully be contenders.
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Even if it's a defensive guy we trade for
Danielle Hunter should be a top target
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Danielle Hunter should be a top target
He's missed 26 of the last 33 games due to injuries.
Great player....but we already paid for a question mark in Carl Lawson.
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He's missed 26 of the last 33 games due to injuries.
Great player....but we already paid for a question mark in Carl Lawson.
Trade a fourth for him
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He's missed 26 of the last 33 games due to injuries.
Great player....but we already paid for a question mark in Carl Lawson.
And that's why he would be available. And that's also part of why Lawson was available.
You're not going to find some superstar player available without flaws unless you are willing to give up all those beautiful draft picks.
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And that's why he would be available. And that's also part of why Lawson was available.
You're not going to find some superstar player available without flaws unless you are willing to give up all those beautiful draft picks.
Of course Lawson was available...he was a UFA.
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Of course Lawson was available...he was a UFA.
Cincinnati let him go because he couldn't stay healthy though.
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Cincinnati let him go because he couldn't stay healthy though.
So...you want to roll the dice on a player with similar injury flags? At least Lawson wasn't coming off an injury.
he would need to come here on the cheap, while not giving up premium picks to get him.
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So...you want to roll the dice on a player with similar injury flags?
I want Joe Douglas to roll the dice on talent. Hunter is two seasons removed from having back to back 14.5 sack seasons.
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I want Joe Douglas to roll the dice on talent. Hunter is two seasons removed from having back to back 14.5 sack seasons.
He has rolled the dice on talent, and got burned last offseason (Lawson, Joyner, C.Davis, J. Davis, V. Curry).
He's going to have to roll the dice again, but i expect him to be cautious when it comes to players with significant injury histories.
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He has rolled the dice on talent, and got burned last offseason (Lawson, Joyner, C.Davis, J. Davis, V. Curry).
Take a step back for a moment:
Lamarcus Joyner, Jarrad Davis, and Vinny Curry
These are role players, at best.
Carl Lawson and Corey Davis are starting caliber players with injury history. Both ended up getting hurt, which sucked. But they were worth the risk. They also were able to test free agency because they had that issue.
He didn't roll the dice trying to sign a bunch of band-aid pieces like Joyner/Davis/Curry.
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Take a step back for a moment:
Lamarcus Joyner, Jarrad Davis, and Vinny Curry
These are role players, at best.
Carl Lawson and Corey Davis are starting caliber players with injury history. Both ended up getting hurt, which sucked. But they were worth the risk. They also were able to test free agency because they had that issue.
He didn't roll the dice trying to sign a bunch of band-aid pieces like Joyner/Davis/Curry.
Joyner wasn't a band-aid, he was hand picked to start. Same with Jarrad Davis.
Vinny Curry is the only role-player rotational guy they took a swing on.
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Joyner wasn't a band-aid, he was hand picked to start. Same with Jarrad Davis.
then why did they only sign one year deals? Short term, stopgaps
Joyner was going to be our third safety behind Maye and Davis
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then why did they only sign one year deals? Short term, stopgaps
Joyner was going to be our third safety behind Maye and Davis
I thought Joyner was hand-picked by Saleh.
ok, i'll buy the short term/stop gap theory....you want to bring D.Hunter here for a 4th round pick and on a 1 yr prove it deal, sign me up.
Do i want to trade a 2nd rounder and give him a Carl Lawson type contract....not really.
if we're gonna trade premium picks away, i'd rather bring in JC Jackson....or C.Ridley (if his head is on straight).
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Joyner wasn't a band-aid, he was hand picked to start. Same with Jarrad Davis.
Vinny Curry is the only role-player rotational guy they took a swing on.
I'm not sure what your solution is here. You're supposed to roll the dice on talent. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Anyone can get hurt. Usually injury-prone guys have that baked into their contracts.
And outside of Lawson and Corey Davis, everyone else was a stopgap/bandaid solution. Joyner and Davis were 1-year deals to be bandaids until we found more permanent solutions.
Sheldon Rankins worked out in a similar deal (and we gave him 2 years). Joyner and Curry and Jarrad Davis did not.
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I'm not sure what your solution is here. You're supposed to roll the dice on talent. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Anyone can get hurt. Usually injury-prone guys have that baked into their contracts.
And outside of Lawson and Corey Davis, everyone else was a stopgap/bandaid solution. Joyner and Davis were 1-year deals to be bandaids until we found more permanent solutions.
Sheldon Rankins worked out in a similar deal (and we gave him 2 years). Joyner and Curry and Jarrad Davis did not.
My solution is to trade draft capital for elite vets that aren't perennial injured. I get what Hunter was 2 years ago....but he broke down his last two seasons
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My solution is to trade draft capital for elite vets that aren't perennial injured. I get what Hunter was 2 years ago....but he broke down his last two seasons
Elite veterans that aren't perennially injured don't get traded. And if they do, they get traded for a king's ransom.
Hunter is coming off two major injuries and wants to get paid. That combination should dent his trade value. If that is enough to scare you off, that's fine, but you're not finding "elite vets that aren't perennially injured" in the trade market unless you want to give up multiple 1sts.
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Elite veterans that aren't perennially injured don't get traded. And if they do, they get traded for a king's ransom.
Hunter is coming off two major injuries and wants to get paid. That combination should dent his trade value. If that is enough to scare you off, that's fine, but you're not finding "elite vets that aren't perennially injured" in the trade market unless you want to give up multiple 1sts.
And that brings me back to my original opinion of passing on Hunter. Minny is going to want premium picks for him....they can eat excrement instead.
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And that brings me back to my original opinion of passing on Hunter. Minny is going to want premium picks for him....they can eat excrement instead.
They will want them. I don't know if they will still get them. I would give up a 3rd for Hunter though. Even this year in 7 games, he still had as many sacks as anyone on the Jets (6). I definitely wouldn't give up 4 or 10, but I would kick the tires on all these veteran pass rushers that could be on the trade market (Hunter, Mack, etc).
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One thing is for sure. Whoever we sign will have an injury history by the end of 2022.
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If we are trading legitimate draft capital (top 3 round picks) I want freaking legitimate weapons. I heard Seattle and DK Metcalf are having issues. If that’s real I’d gladly send them 10 back for him.
Calvin Ridley is a good player tough situation. It’s a gamble for a guy who needs to rehab his mind to the point football can be his sole focus. Can he do that in the bright lights of New York? That’s usually the place that breaks people mentally not builds them back up.
What legitimate TEs might be available for trade? Ertz is off the market as is the Philly TE who had a career day against us. Schultes I suppose could be a tag and trade guy. But I suspect it’s more likely they try and keep him and deal Cooper as he’s getting older and costs zillions. He’s also a guy I’d trade some mid round capital for. Lots of talent, getting a bit older, being over paid for recent production and frankly we are giving Dallas cap relief and that’s a big reason why he might be cheaper on the trade market than some other guys
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On 12/5 I took Kayvon to be the #1 pick at -110 odds.
Same book now was Hutchinson to be the #1 pick at -150 odds and Kayvon at +200
12/5
Kayvon -110
12/17
Hutch -150
Kayvon +200
1/25
Kayvon +165
Hutch +190
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12/5
Kayvon -110
12/17
Hutch -150
Kayvon +200
1/25
Kayvon +165
Hutch +190
Is kayvon still the best odds or are you excluding others
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Is kayvon still the best odds or are you excluding others
1/26
Kayvon +165
Hutch +185
Neal +210
Ekwonu +475
Pickett +3300
Bet is for #1 pick - Only players currently listed are above. BetOnline.com
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At those odds Pickett has to be worth a couple of bucks, it's far from unheard of for some QB needy team to fall in love with a guy during the run up and trade up to make sure they get him ahead of anyone else trading up.
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At those odds Pickett has to be worth a couple of bucks, it's far from unheard of for some QB needy team to fall in love with a guy during the run up and trade up to make sure they get him ahead of anyone else trading up.
Nobody is trading up to 1 for Pickett....or any QB in this draft.
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Nobody is trading up to 1 for Pickett....or any QB in this draft.
Probably not, but like I said - at those odds it's worth a couple of bucks. Lots of needy teams this year and pickings are slim.
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Probably not, but like I said - at those odds it's worth a couple of bucks. Lots of needy teams this year and pickings are slim.
the QB trade market will be busier this year than last year.
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the QB trade market will be busier this year than last year.
Yeah, but there's a lot of excrement around and potentially a number of big names gone without obvious replacements.
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Yeah, but there's a lot of excrement around and potentially a number of big names gone without obvious replacements.
Jeff George has been available for 25 years.
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the QB trade market will be busier this year than last year.
Last year was busier than average I think.
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Last year was busier than average I think.
probably exacerbated by the Watson hoopla. Stafford, Darnold, Goff, and Bridgewater all found new homes.
Should be just as busy this year with higher profile QBs potentially moving around: Watson, R.Wilson, A.Rodgers, Jimmy G, etc
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probably exacerbated by the Watson hoopla. Stafford, Darnold, Goff, and Bridgewater all found new homes.
And Wentz too.
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https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1488391585515511813?s=20
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Listened to the latest Move the Sticks podcast and they were talking about the East West Shrine game.
Is this something we should care about?
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Listened to the latest Move the Sticks podcast and they were talking about the East West Shrine game.
Is this something we should care about?
Might be good for learning day 3 prospects.
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Listened to the latest Move the Sticks podcast and they were talking about the East West Shrine game.
Is this something we should care about?
If you want to watch some football this week with some weird athletic QBs, then you should check it out
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https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2022-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-1-0 (https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2022-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-1-0)
Don't know if this was posted elsewhere, but there are some interesting rankings.
Ekwonu 2nd overall
Sauce in the top 5
Thibs at 6
Leal at a shocking 44
If Leal is still on the board in the 2nd round, I'd have no problem taking him.
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Things I found interesting
Dean at 7
WR's 9-11
9. Wilson - Comp: Stefon Diggs
10. London - Comp: Mike Williams
11. Burks - Comp: AJ Brown
Has Jameson Williams ranked 30th.
Quay Walker 3rd ranked LB after Dean and Lloyd
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I wonder where he'd have Williams if he didn't have the ACL
Quay Walker is really good too
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At those odds Pickett has to be worth a couple of bucks, it's far from unheard of for some QB needy team to fall in love with a guy during the run up and trade up to make sure they get him ahead of anyone else trading up.
I threw a dolla on him to be first pick and a dolla to be first QB drafted back in the fall
Hopefully he opts out of the combine hand measurements as well lol
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https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2022-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-1-0 (https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2022-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-1-0)
Don't know if this was posted elsewhere, but there are some interesting rankings.
Ekwonu 2nd overall
Sauce in the top 5
Thibs at 6
Leal at a shocking 44
If Leal is still on the board in the 2nd round, I'd have no problem taking him.
Came here to post this, and highlight the top 6 guys you mentioned above
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@uSTADIUM
Was definitely some chatter today in the press circles that Joe Douglas LOVES USC wideout Drake London. Keep your eyes peeled there.
https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1489007988916596742
Totally legit source says we like London
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@uSTADIUM
Was definitely some chatter today in the press circles that Joe Douglas LOVES USC wideout Drake London. Keep your eyes peeled there.
https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1489007988916596742
Totally legit source says we like London
I like London, and since my ability to judge college wrs is trash (going all the way back to my crush on Limas Sweed) he clearly will be a disaster of a player.
Setting aside my own personal thoughts, anything we hear right now is out there for a legitimate reason. Douglas has been too tight lipped (and so has our FO) for this to have any legs. I will say, weird time to start that rumor though. You would think it would be about a senior bowl participant since that’s at least topical.
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You would think it would be about a senior bowl participant since that’s at least topical.
yeah, that's why it's completely made up bullshit for clicks
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Nick Spano has zero hoes and zero sources
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Nick Spano is guano
https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1489436619530813446
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https://twitter.com/kayvont/status/1490125355226599424?s=20&t=W4rklm_l1eo5jzJkPG8BnA
If Thibs is there at 4, run to the podium.
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https://twitter.com/Playlikeajet1/status/1495232904259162126?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1495232904259162126%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.theganggreen.com%2Fthreads%2Fthe-edge-guy-to-draft.96993%2Fpage-2
I’ll just dump that tweet here and toss H a bit of kudos for that call weeks ago about Travon Walker
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https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1495383225824419841?t=cfIZZsrIf6MlN2OWA6ZXSQ&s=19
Draft Velvet Jones in the 12th round and replace Berrios with him.
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nfl.com big board and prospect profiles are out
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/ (https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/)
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nfl.com big board and prospect profiles are out
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/ (https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/)
Kyle Hamilton is the highest rated prospect?
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There just isn't that much drop off from Hamilton to Hill/Brisker/Cine/Cook
Hill and Cook are probably the best scheme fits for us
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Oh, it's Lance Zierlein.
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nfl.com big board and prospect profiles are out
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/ (https://www.nfl.com/prospects/participants/all/)
Drake London at 37 (?) seems really low.
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Drake London at 37 (?) seems really low.
It's a great resource to see the prospects in the draft, but his rankings are trash
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I like when guys aren't afraid to give their own opinion and go against the grain on a grade.
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I like when guys aren't afraid to give their own opinion and go against the grain on a grade.
I don't like it when their opinions stink
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I don't like it when their opinions stink
Smalls is still defending the hill he died on for Geno Smith.
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Smalls is still defending the hill he died on for Geno Smith.
Not sure what this has to do with anything, but you do you.
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Not sure what this has to do with anything, but you do you.
you said this:
I like when guys aren't afraid to give their own opinion and go against the grain on a grade.
it applies to your former opinions regarding Geno Smith
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you said this:
it applies to your former opinions regarding Geno Smith
I thought Geno was a 2nd round QB prospect and we took him in round 2. And he's lasted in the. NFL over a decade. I never thought he was great, I just wanted to see it through since we made the investment. And thst's what the Jets were going to do until IK, which rightly changed things.
Again, absolutely nothing to do with the current topic or anything I said.
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I thought Geno was a 2nd round QB prospect and we took him in round 2. And he's lasted in the. NFL over a decade. I never thought he was great, I just wanted to see it through since we made the investment. And thst's what the Jets were going to do until IK, which rightly changed things.
Again, absolutely nothing to do with the current topic or anything I said.
I think your nose is growing.
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For reference on his grades (he said on twitter they are slightly different than the explanations at the bottom of the page)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMS4EO7XwAUetHF?format=jpg&name=small)
For reference, last year's picks grades
Zach Wilson 6.5
Alijah Vera-Tucker 6.43
Elijah Moore 6.43
Michael Carter 6.21
Jamien Sherwood 5.9
Michael Carter II 5.94
Jason Pinnock 5.88
Hamsah Nasirildeen 6.19
Brandin Echols 5.8
Jonathan Marshall 5.85
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For reference on his grades (he said on twitter they are slightly different than the explanations at the bottom of the page)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMS4EO7XwAUetHF?format=jpg&name=small)
For reference, last year's picks grades
Zach Wilson 6.5
Alijah Vera-Tucker 6.43
Elijah Moore 6.43
Michael Carter 6.21
Jamien Sherwood 5.9
Michael Carter II 5.94
Jason Pinnock 5.88
Hamsah Nasirildeen 6.19
Brandin Echols 5.8
Jonathan Marshall 5.85
Interesting. What was Trevor Lawrence's grade?
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Interesting. What was Trevor Lawrence's grade?
7.4
Next highest was Pitts at 7.19
Wilson was rated 12th
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7.4
Next highest was Pitts at 7.19
Wilson was rated 12th
That's quite the gap between Wilson and Lawrence.
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Listened to the latest Move the Sticks Podcast.
Here's some tidbits on the WR class:
Bucky Brooks' WR Rankings
1. London
2. Jameson Williams
3. G. Wilson
4. Dotson
5. Burks
DJ's top 2
1. G Wilson
2. London
DJ:
"Dotson has the best hands of any WR in the draft"
"Drake London is Tee Higgins but better"
"I see a lot of Antonio Brown in Skyy Moore"
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That's quite the gap between Wilson and Lawrence.
There was quite the gap
Lawrence is a generational QB prospect
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Higgins was a vertical threat at Clemson. London was never really a threat like that at USC.
I don’t get that comparison other than size.
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There's zero consensus on the top-6 receivers. Hopefully this will be cleared up somewhat after the combine/pro days. London seems to present the highest upside to most people, excluding Williams who people are downgrading due to the injury. Wilson seems to present the best combination of floor/ceiling. Burks is awesome and seems to be flying under the radar for some people.
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Burks seems like the guy that Draft and Fantasy Twitter absolutely love but draft analysts are mixed on.
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Burks seems like the guy that Draft and Fantasy Twitter absolutely love but draft analysts are mixed on.
It’s starting to remind me of how Metcalf was seen by those guys
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It’s starting to remind me of how Metcalf was seen by those guys
"Weaknesses: weaknesses too well-hidden, undraftable"
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Higgins was a vertical threat at Clemson. London was never really a threat like that at USC.
I don’t get that comparison other than size.
They are both tall, but even their body types are not really that similar
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They are both tall, but even their body types are not really that similar
One claps louder than the other
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They are both tall, but even their body types are not really that similar
No but both were freak athletes that general fans and analytical guys loved, and the NFL overthought Metcalf. The general public is wrong a lot but they were right this time.
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Man is Kyle Hamilton gonna look good in the Green and White
Predicted back in September
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Predicted back in September
JACKASS
I'LL KILL YOU
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JACKASS
I'LL KILL YOU
Kyler Hamilbaum
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Think it's fair to argue at this point that five of the top-10 players in this draft are edge rushers.
Here's how I would currently stack the top-10:
1. Kayvon Thibodeaux, EDGE, Oregon
2. Travon Walker, EDGE, Georgia
3. Aidan Hutchinson, EDGE, Michigan
4. Ikem Ekwonu, G/OT, N.C. State
5. Evan Neal, OT, Alabama
6. Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame
7. Ahmad Gardner, CB, Cincinnati
8. Derek Stingley Jr., CB, LSU
9. Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State
10. Jermaine Johnson II, EDGE, Florida State
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Thibs
Hutchinson
Walker
Ekwonu
Stingley
Gardner
Neal
Cross
Burks
Hamilton
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Pro Football Network's Tony Pauline reports Jets general manager Joe Douglas has been "gushing" about Arkansas WR Treylon Burks.
Pauline said Burks, who is 6'2" and 225 pounds and ran a 4.55 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine, is the top wideout on the Jets' draft board. "Whether or not Burks’ subpar Combine performance changes that ranking remains to be seen," Pauline said. "Not only did Burks test poorly, but he did not look good in position drills." Burks, fresh off an 1,104-yard, 12-touchdown season at Arkansas, would make for an intriguing addition to a receiver room with Elijah Moore. The Jets have two top-10 draft picks.
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As I said before, if Douglas is saying these things where guys like Pauline can hear them, you can virtually lock it in that Burks is not our target at WR.
That said this is the second WR Douglas is either “gushing” about or “in love with” after Drake London new dropped during the senior bowl week.
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The one time Heis wants Tony Pauline to be right
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The one time Heis wants Tony Pauline to be right
You cannot make....Tony Pauline right. The gods don't allow it.
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thibs/burks is what i am hoping for
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thibs/burks is what i am hoping for
My pre-free agency dream is Thibs/Gardner, but I'd be happy with Thibs/Douglas' WR1 as well.
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Since we lost Fats in FA and have a space open on the DL, would Jordan Davis be a fit in Saleh's D?
Who are some of the DL kids we should keep an eye on?
Or does Rankins just move into that role?
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With the gaps on the offensive line and secondary filled, would I be upset if we traded up and got Saleh's EDGE1?
I would not.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
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Who are some of the DL kids we should keep an eye on?
Travon Walker
Perrion Winfry
DeMarvin Leal
Travis Jones
Phidarian Mathis
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Jonathan Marshall can step up
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https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1503861102781865990?s=20
#DulcichSZN
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Jim Nagy is a great hypeman for any Senior Bowl guys.
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1/26
Kayvon +165
Hutch +185
Neal +210
Ekwonu +475
Pickett +3300
Bet is for #1 pick - Only players currently listed are above. BetOnline.com
3/25
Different book
Georgia EDGE Travon Walker has skyrocketed up the most important board, Vegas betting odds board (@BetMGM). #NFLDraft
Walker has the 2nd best odds to be 1st Overall (+600), only behind Aidan Hutchinson.
Walker is tied with Kyle Hamilton for best odds to be 2nd Overall (+350).
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I thought this was an interesting breakdown of Hutchinson, although I don't know how correct it is. You can start at 3:00 for the interesting stuff and skip the preamble and the embedded commercial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZDosIAshtY&ab_channel=AlexRollinsNFL
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Watching a bit of Dameon Pierce this morning. Me likey.
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DJ new top 50
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2022-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-3-0
Doing his part to make sure Thibodeaux is there for us.
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1509212185981079557?s=20&t=PZzQh1VPjZ1xeVZfASbdoA
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPIWwwTWQAQHcfs?format=jpg&name=large)
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I feel like Willis or Pickett are almost worth a small bet at those odds, because with #10 as well I suspect we'd listen to trade offers for #4. We know Carolina want a QB, we just need them to worry that either the Giants love a QB and want to give Daboll a clean slate to start with, or that the Giants are willing to trade out with someone else who wants to get ahead of them. It's a long shot but the odds are really strong.
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I feel like Willis or Pickett are almost worth a small bet at those odds, because with #10 as well I suspect we'd listen to trade offers for #4. We know Carolina want a QB, we just need them to worry that either the Giants love a QB and want to give Daboll a clean slate to start with, or that the Giants are willing to trade out with someone else who wants to get ahead of them. It's a long shot but the odds are really strong.
Combine that with the all the free betting dollars going around and I think you are onto something
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Antwan V. Staley @antwanstaley
I asked Oregon’s Kayvon Thibodeaux what was the most ridiculous thing he’s heard during the pre-draft process and his answer was: “that I’m not the best player in this draft.”
Draft. This. Beast.
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I feel like Willis or Pickett are almost worth a small bet at those odds, because with #10 as well I suspect we'd listen to trade offers for #4. We know Carolina want a QB, we just need them to worry that either the Giants love a QB and want to give Daboll a clean slate to start with, or that the Giants are willing to trade out with someone else who wants to get ahead of them. It's a long shot but the odds are really strong.
Anyone seeing any of the major books taking these bets? I'm not seeing it on draftkings, betmgm or ceasers.
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Josh Paschal is a monster as a player and fits the Saleh-Douglas prototype super well. Two year team captain and winner of UK’s man of the year award. Great vs the run, powerful inside and out, and pretty athletic/sudden for a guy you’d went as a 43 end who slides inside. I don’t think he’ll end up a Jet because I think we address DE earlier with a more prototypical edge player, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he goes in the first round.
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I like Sauce Gardner, but I feel he's a reach at 4. I don't feel like any corner is ever close to a sure thing. Not that anyone is, but at 4 they damn well better be as solid as possible. I don't know if we would actually draft an OL after getting Laken, but to me, the 2 closest players to a sure thing are Travon Walker and Ekwonu.
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I like Sauce Gardner, but I feel he's a reach at 4. I don't feel like any corner is ever close to a sure thing. Not that anyone is, but at 4 they damn well better be as solid as possible. I don't know if we would actually draft an OL after getting Laken, but to me, the 2 closest players to a sure thing are Travon Walker and Ekwonu.
What kind of sure things is Travon Walker? He’s no sure thing as a typical Edge player imo
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What kind of sure things is Travon Walker? He’s no sure thing as a typical Edge player imo
He's a sure thing as an elite run defender and a chess piece for a front, but he's all potential as a pass rusher
It's a huge swing if you take him in the top five
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Wisconsin DT Matt Henningsen is an animal.
I've been watching Leo Chenal today and Henningsen is the standout on that Wisconsin defense.
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SMU's Danny Gray is a mid-round wideout I really like
He tested really well, but those SMU skill guys can usually fly so I kind of just placed him in that same category ...he's a really great YAC player though
I was surprised
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SMU's Danny Gray is a mid-round wideout I really like
He tested really well, but those SMU skill guys can usually fly so I kind of just placed him in that same category ...he's a really great YAC player though
I was surprised
What do you think of Romeo Doubs?
He’s got a poor man’s Davante vibe that I figured might catch your eye.
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What do you think of Romeo Doubs?
He’s got a poor man’s Davante vibe that I figured might catch your eye.
He'll be a steal. He was schemed open a lot at Nevada, but he knows how to use his body to box guys out in contested situations and he stems/stacks his routes really well. He's a way better route runner than he gets credit for. I've seen him labeled as a deep threat a lot but that was really just Nevada's offense (shot plays off play action).
There's some really good route runners that will be available in the middle rounds: Doubs, UCLA's Kyle Phillips, and Nebraska's Samori Toure.
Danny Gray and Justyn Ross are more boom/bust than the more polished wideouts
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I'm warming to the idea of pairing David Ojabo on Day 2 with Travon Walker at 1.04. Walker gets in there from the get-go and immediately improves our run defense while Ojabo heals, learns, and maybe chips in as a situational rusher later in the season. Walker/Jabo would reach free agency in separate years and it gives us options next season with Lawson, who doesn't have guaranteed money after this year.
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Admittedly I'm checked out of the draft this year compared to most years, but I think there are lots of combinations at 4 and 10 I'd be happy with. I think the only thing I'd be against is moving up from either of those spots. I'm always game for a trade down but it never happens. I'd be bummed to draft Hamilton or London early, but honestly I don't know why beyond parroting excrement I hear.
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I'm warming to the idea of pairing David Ojabo on Day 2 with Travon Walker at 1.04. Walker gets in there from the get-go and immediately improves our run defense while Ojabo heals, learns, and maybe chips in as a situational rusher later in the season. Walker/Jabo would reach free agency in separate years and it gives us options next season with Lawson, who doesn't have guaranteed money after this year.
This is the way.
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This is the way.
Travo/Jamo/Jabo
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Travo/Jamo/Jabo
Migos
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Travo/Jamo/Jabo
Match up nicely woth Calo
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Migos
I’d rather any 3 bulldogs
Walker/Dean/Wyatt/Cine/Walker/Tindall
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLYnMmQKzeI
Chris Simms EDGE Rankings
1. Aidan Hutchinson
2. Travon Walker
3. Jermaine Johnson
4. George Karlaftis
5. Nik Bonitto
On Thibs: "No where near a top 10 pick." too stiff and upright, no physically dominant traits...
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He's drunk
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I don’t know how anyone could watch Thibs tape and then Jermaine Johnsons tape back to back and think Johnson is a better edge rusher today and a better athlete.
You want to talk about mental/off field concerns that make you question one guy or promote the other? That’s a different thing that none of us are privy too. But how on earth can you look at the tape and think Thibs isn’t a good prospect and that Johnsons is actually more advanced?
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Simms should stick to QB evaluations only.
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Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
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No such thing as a perfect comp but I do think it's a helpful exercise. A couple for this edge group:
Hutchinson-Jared Allen
Thibodeaux-Shawne Merriman
Jermaine Johnson-Danielle Hunter
Karlaftis-Ryan Kerrigan
Bonitto-Cliff Avril
Paschal-Boogie Basham
Mafe-Kwity Paye
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If Hutchinson was black, would they still compare him to Jared Allen?
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*Chris Simms loves Zach Wilson*
"Everyone knows Chris Simms is the best draft analyst out there."
*Chris Simms hates Kayvon Thibodeaux*
"Stick to quarterbacks, poopchute."
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If Hutchinson was black, would they still compare him to Jared Allen?
LOL that was my first thought. "Think of a white edge rusher that isn't built like a truck..... got it."
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LOL that was my first thought. "Think of a white edge rusher that isn't built like a truck..... got it."
I figured Hutch wore a cowboy hat too
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Over the past couple of days Nania has pumped out a couple interesting articles on JD's 'type' of player he prefers to draft. Essentially it's all about RAS score and high upside. I don't know that this constitutes a 'type' of player for JD, but it does show tendencies, and interestingly enough the guys without high RAS scores all of them seem to be poor picks thus far outside of the Michael Carters.
Initial article talking about JD being a high RAS guy - https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/11/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-draft-specific-type/
In the follow up, he used the premise that JD would have significantly higher grades on high RAS guys, and generated a list of guys that the Jets would likely have low interest in drafting in the early rounds. Lots of interesting names on that list. Including basically all the top WRs we keep going round and round about save for Williams and London as they didn't test.
Second article: https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/12/ny-jets-avoid-draft-prospects-joe-douglas-tendencies/
Notables:
Garrett Wilson
Treylon Burks
Jahan Dotson
Skyy Moore
Wandale Robinson
Daniel Faalele
Darian Kinnard
Roger McCreary
My purpose in posting the articles is not to completely agree with Nania that Douglas wouldn't draft any of these guys, or argue that other guys (like Burks perhaps) tested far weaker than their tapes would indicate but to take a look at the discussion points overall. We noticed it last year as Douglas swung on big athletes with high upside/potential in the later rounds. It is actually an even more prominent tendency through the first 3 rounds having never drafted a player (who tested) below an 8.86 RAS score.
In a quick check all of the top 5 edge guys meet the RAS metric as does Pickens, Watson and Alec Pierce as the 'higher' WR's, with Olave just below at 8.68. Some guys, like London and Williams did not test, and I expect with London's size 'bonus' he would be close if not on there and if healthy I think we all expect Williams speed to put him up there.
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Nania added a 3rd article today, this one identifying those with an RAS over 9.0 at all positions as he feels most of our targets will be on the list
https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/13/joe-douglas-tedencnies-ny-jets-2022-draft-target/
again, interesting to think about...
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Nania added a 3rd article today, this one identifying those with an RAS over 9.0 at all positions as he feels most of our targets will be on the list
https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/13/joe-douglas-tedencnies-ny-jets-2022-draft-target/
again, interesting to think about...
Just fast forward the next 2 weeks...i need the freaking draft to happen.
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Any real legs to the statements that Thibs isnt really that good, not explosive, etc? Mind you, I haven't watched a bit of video, just an amateur parroter.
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Any real legs to the statements that Thibs isnt really that good, not explosive, etc? Mind you, I haven't watched a bit of video, just an amateur parroter.
None whatsoever
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None whatsoever
thibs might've fucked Daniel Jeremiah's wife
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thibs might've fucked Daniel Jeremiah's wife
Here's what DJ said about him in his top 50 What isn't correct? He has him as the #10 overall prospect. Seems lower than some, but not aggregious.
Thibodeaux has ideal size (6-5, 258), length and explosiveness. He moved up and down the line of scrimmage in the Ducks' scheme, but primarily stood up on the edge. He shows a tremendous burst off the snap and excels using his inside arm to stab, create space, close and finish. He also has an effective shake/bull move to rock and displace offensive tackles. Thibodeaux does have some ankle tightness at the top of his rush; he isn't an elite bender. Against the run, he easily stacks blocks vs. tackles and tight ends while locating the football. He has speed to close from the back side but his effort is spotty. Overall, Thibodeaux doesn't have ideal flexibility, but his blend of speed and power should translate successfully at next level.
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Here's what DJ said about him in his top 50 What isn't correct? He has him as the #10 overall prospect. Seems lower than some, but not aggregious.
being ranked #10 isn't correct....Thibs is easily top 3.
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being ranked #10 isn't correct....Thibs is easily top 3.
In terms of DJs write up, it’s clear his talent is undeniable. I’d guess it really comes down to the worry of “takes plays off”
If that speaks to you about an attitude concern/issue that doesn’t jive with your mentality/what you want in a player, then he will be lower. If you think you can get the best out of him, or don’t care if he gives you 85% a few snaps a game, then you write that off and he’s in your top 5 guys.
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Here's what DJ said about him in his top 50 What isn't correct? He has him as the #10 overall prospect. Seems lower than some, but not aggregious.
Remember, DJ is a genius if he fits the board narrative, and he's an idiot if he doesn't.
Just like Chris Simms is a genius if he likes Zach Wilson, but he's an idiot for hating Thibodeaux.
I get if people don't love Thibodeaux. He's not a can't-miss prospect.
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being ranked #10 isn't correct....Thibs is easily top 3.
If this is egregious, I'm curious on your opinion on what he does better than any other DE prospect.
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I have no idea honestly, I just keep hearing rumbles about him putting forth less effort here and there. I'm not sure what's keeping all the draftniks from being bonered up like they are for Hutchinson if it isn't that. What does Hutchinson do better?
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Any real legs to the statements that Thibs isnt really that good, not explosive, etc? Mind you, I haven't watched a bit of video, just an amateur parroter.
They love him:
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/4/13/23020270/2022-sb-nation-nfl-mock-draft-detroit-lions-kayvon-thibodeaux
Other recent takes:
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-scouts-coaches-execs-kayvon-thiboedeaux-oregon-2022-nfl-draft
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They love him:
https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/4/13/23020270/2022-sb-nation-nfl-mock-draft-detroit-lions-kayvon-thibodeaux
Other recent takes:
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-scouts-coaches-execs-kayvon-thiboedeaux-oregon-2022-nfl-draft
I found the weakness!
It’s been noted that Thibodeaux has interests outside of football. He released an NFT and launched his own cryptocurrency, $JREAM, in 2021 at Oregon.
Take him off the board.
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Loved the idea of Thibs to the Jets until I found out he's dabbling in NFT's, absolutely disqualifying, get him out!
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Loved the idea of Thibs to the Jets until I found out he's dabbling in NFT's, absolutely disqualifying, get him out!
I'm more intrigued by the idea of him setting up his own cryptocurrency. I'm simultaneously amused and appalled by the idea that someone can simply invent new money for themselves off the strength of a personal brand.
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https://twitter.com/pff_austingayle/status/1514757861657747460?s=21&t=aMUSHCHk_WxTFQbE2lZShw
Everyone knows how I feel about PFF.
Instead of “grading” players, they should do more analysis like this.
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I feel every time I take a look at one of these types of stats, Jermaine Johnson is very low on the list.
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I feel every time I take a look at one of these types of stats, Jermaine Johnson is very low on the list.
Karlaftis also looks awful here.
Mafe, Bonitto, Ebikeite should all be candidates at 35 and 38 if we don't get an edge in the first.
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Any real legs to the statements that Thibs isnt really that good, not explosive, etc? Mind you, I haven't watched a bit of video, just an amateur parroter.
He's actually 47 years old with a bone on bone knee condition.
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https://twitter.com/pff_austingayle/status/1514757861657747460?s=21&t=aMUSHCHk_WxTFQbE2lZShw
Everyone knows how I feel about PFF.
Instead of “grading” players, they should do more analysis like this.
To me this is the type of excrement that analytics should be about.
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Karlaftis also looks awful here.
Mafe, Bonitto, Ebikeite should all be candidates at 35 and 38 if we don't get an edge in the first.
I think the only one that might still be there is Bonitto, and that’s because he seems to be a great pass rusher but not very good against the run right now. I expect Mafe and Ebiketie to both go in the 20s.
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I feel every time I take a look at one of these types of stats, Jermaine Johnson is very low on the list.
That's because he's overrated
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That's because he's overrated
He is not a top 5 player (even in this weaker class) and I don't know that I would prefer him over Karlaftis at 10, even though I now think I could get Karlaftis at 20.
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I think the only one that might still be there is Bonitto, and that’s because he seems to be a great pass rusher but not very good against the run right now. I expect Mafe and Ebiketie to both go in the 20s.
I think Bonitto’s ceiling is as a stand up linebacker that teams let attack and chase. He won’t be able to hold up on the edge in a 34, but I think he can really be a good player for the right team.
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https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/15/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-team-captains-2022-draft/amp/ (https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/15/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-team-captains-2022-draft/amp/)
Douglas drafts team captains, so here's a list of team captains.
You guys are going to love the Jordan Davis - Tyler Linderbaum Era.
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https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/15/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-team-captains-2022-draft/amp/ (https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/15/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-team-captains-2022-draft/amp/)
Douglas drafts team captains, so here's a list of team captains.
You guys are going to love the Jordan Davis - Tyler Linderbaum Era.
I’d rather the Aidan Hutchinson and Nakobe Dean era. But to each his own
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If this is egregious, I'm curious on your opinion on what he does better than any other DE prospect.
Much cooler name
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https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/15/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-team-captains-2022-draft/amp/ (https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/04/15/ny-jets-gm-joe-douglas-team-captains-2022-draft/amp/)
Douglas drafts team captains, so here's a list of team captains.
You guys are going to love the Jordan Davis - Tyler Linderbaum Era.
Now somebody cross reference this with our list of visits.
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Now somebody cross reference this with our list of visits.
Reubens post about visits. I put a star in front of name for a captain. Unable to find data in Nanias list on Karlaftis, Bj Baylor and Tariq carpenter
New York Jets
B.J. Baylor, Running Back, Oregon State (VIR)
Treylon Burks^, Wide Receiver, Arkansas (COM, PRI)
Tariq Carpenter, Safety, Georgia Tech (WOR)
Lewis Cine, Safety, Georgia (PRI)
*Nakobe Dean, Outside Linebacker, Georgia (COM)
Ikem Ekwonu, Offensive Tackle, N.C. State (PRI)
Ahmad Gardner^, Cornerback, Cincinnati (COM, PRI)
*Aidan Hutchinson, Defensive End, Michigan (PRI)
Jermaine Johnson, Defensive End, Florida State (PRI)
George Karlaftis^, Defensive End, Purdue (COM, PRO)
Isaiah Likely, Tight End, Coastal Carolina (PRI)
*Tyler Linderbaum, Center, Iowa (COM)
Jake Luketa, Inside Linebacker, Penn State (PRI)
*Evan Neal, Offensive Guard, Alabama (PRI)
*Chris Olave, Wide Receiver, Ohio State (PRI)
Jeremy Ruckert, Tight End, Ohio State (COM)
Tyler Smith, Offensive Tackle, Tulsa (PRO)
Derek Stingley^, Cornerback, LSU (COM, PRI)
*Pierre Strong Jr., Running Back, South Dakota State (VIR)
Kayvon Thibodeaux^, Defensive End, Oregon (COM, PRO, PRI)
Travon Walker, Defensive End, Georgia (PRI)
Jameson Williams, Wide Receiver, Alabama (PRI)
Malik Willis, Quarterback, Liberty (COM)
Garrett Wilson, Wide Receiver, Ohio State (PRI)
Perrion Winfrey, Defensive Tackle, Oklahoma (PRI)
Devonte Wyatt, Defensive Tackle, Georgia (PRI)
SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
PRO - Pro Day or campus meeting/workout.
LOC - Local visit. Prospect making a local visit.
PRI - Private visit. Prospect making an official 30 visit.
WOR - Private Workout. Members of an organization working out a player in private.
STM - Some Type of Meeting.
VIR - Virtual Meeting.
% - indicates more than one meeting at an event.
^ - has met with team at more than one event.
# - indicates meeting set up outside of the 2022 Senior Bowl or the 2022 East-West Shrine Game
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This tells me either we aren’t as focused on captains this year, OR we didn’t feel the need to interview them directly. I’m also reminded that we had so much access to guys at the senior bowl it wouldn’t be surprising at all if we didn’t use precious meeting time on guys we already learned enough about there. In fact I think we only had visits (per this list anyways) with 4 senior bowl participants. Jermaine Johnson, Perrion Winfrey, Jeremy Ruckert and Jesse Luketa
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Captain smokescreen.
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https://twitter.com/RAanalytics/status/1511348293309276163?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1511348293309276163%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.theganggreen.com%2Fthreads%2Fwide-receiver-situation.97265%2Fpage-20
Some non-pff nerds created a new metric with some interesting results. Seems to be missing a few guys (Sauce Gardner for instance) that I’m not sure why. But it combines on-field production with on-field “functional athleticism” (no idea how they measure this mind you…) to create a “Relative athlete score” which to me would imply it should be used to compare guys within positions, but they listed out the top 150 guys regardless. As for how each metric is weighted, someone will have to reverse engineer that one.
Top 5
Kayvon Thibideaux
Drake London
Jameson Williams
Chris Olave
Kingsley Enagbare
I’m sure Ananias will write an article this weekend telling me what to think of this metric/numbers mess
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/u5ne2j/highlight_video_of_upcoming_first_rounder_and/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/u5ne2j/highlight_video_of_upcoming_first_rounder_and/)
Top 5.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/u5ne2j/highlight_video_of_upcoming_first_rounder_and/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/u5ne2j/highlight_video_of_upcoming_first_rounder_and/)
Top 5.
too bad he isn't a 3 down player.
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https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/1516030875623956481?s=20&t=WyhgOwDpV9JI03OThmRhJA
inject this into my veins
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Reubens post about visits. I put a star in front of name for a captain. Unable to find data in Nanias list on Karlaftis, Bj Baylor and Tariq carpenter
New York Jets
B.J. Baylor, Running Back, Oregon State (VIR)
Treylon Burks^, Wide Receiver, Arkansas (COM, PRI)
Tariq Carpenter, Safety, Georgia Tech (WOR)
Lewis Cine, Safety, Georgia (PRI)
*Nakobe Dean, Outside Linebacker, Georgia (COM)
Ikem Ekwonu, Offensive Tackle, N.C. State (PRI)
Ahmad Gardner^, Cornerback, Cincinnati (COM, PRI)
*Aidan Hutchinson, Defensive End, Michigan (PRI)
Jermaine Johnson, Defensive End, Florida State (PRI)
George Karlaftis^, Defensive End, Purdue (COM, PRO)
Isaiah Likely, Tight End, Coastal Carolina (PRI)
*Tyler Linderbaum, Center, Iowa (COM)
Jake Luketa, Inside Linebacker, Penn State (PRI)
*Evan Neal, Offensive Guard, Alabama (PRI)
*Chris Olave, Wide Receiver, Ohio State (PRI)
Jeremy Ruckert, Tight End, Ohio State (COM)
Tyler Smith, Offensive Tackle, Tulsa (PRO)
Derek Stingley^, Cornerback, LSU (COM, PRI)
*Pierre Strong Jr., Running Back, South Dakota State (VIR)
Kayvon Thibodeaux^, Defensive End, Oregon (COM, PRO, PRI)
Travon Walker, Defensive End, Georgia (PRI)
Jameson Williams, Wide Receiver, Alabama (PRI)
Malik Willis, Quarterback, Liberty (COM)
Garrett Wilson, Wide Receiver, Ohio State (PRI)
Perrion Winfrey, Defensive Tackle, Oklahoma (PRI)
Devonte Wyatt, Defensive Tackle, Georgia (PRI)
Leonard Johnson, Cornerback, Duke (PRO)
Taysir Mack, Wide Receiver, Pittsburgh (PRI)
Bo Melton, Wide Receiver, Rutgers (LOC)
Brandon Smith, Outside Linebacker, Penn State (PRI)
Demetrius Taylor, Defensive Tackle, Appalachian State (PRO)
Jaylen Watson, Cornerback, Washington State (VIR)
SR - Senior Bowl meeting.
EW - East-West Shrine meeting.
COM - Combine meeting.
INT - Interested.
VINT - Very Interested.
PRO - Pro Day or campus meeting/workout.
LOC - Local visit. Prospect making a local visit.
PRI - Private visit. Prospect making an official 30 visit.
WOR - Private Workout. Members of an organization working out a player in private.
STM - Some Type of Meeting.
VIR - Virtual Meeting.
% - indicates more than one meeting at an event.
^ - has met with team at more than one event.
# - indicates meeting set up outside of the 2022 Senior Bowl or the 2022 East-West Shrine Game
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This tells me either we aren’t as focused on captains this year, OR we didn’t feel the need to interview them directly. I’m also reminded that we had so much access to guys at the senior bowl it wouldn’t be surprising at all if we didn’t use precious meeting time on guys we already learned enough about there. In fact I think we only had visits (per this list anyways) with 4 senior bowl participants. Jermaine Johnson, Perrion Winfrey, Jeremy Ruckert and Jesse Luketa
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Who is Taysir Mack?
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Who is Taysir Mack?
Wide Receiver. Plays for Pitt.
HTH
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With reports from the all invaluable rotoworld blurbs, apparently Jacksonville is interested in drafting offense and Detroit has drafting a QB on the table.
I'd have to think the odds of us getting one of the top two pass rushers is more than plausible
And if Detroit is seriously contemplating a QB at 2, that presumably also means teams wanting to trade up for a QB is surely going to be on the table, at least depending on what Detroit does
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Who is Taysir Mack?
Quick Scouting Report: https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Taysir-Mack-WR-Pittsburgh
I remember Syracuse fans being up in arms they lost out on him in the recruiting game a few years back. Elusive dude, has some speed and some 'wiggle' don't remember him ever popping up for Pitt. I would think he is strictly a ST guy if he's not on any 'experts' boards out there.
Edit: Found more on him https://jetsfansunited.com/threads/taysir-mack-wr-scouting-report.22289/
Side note: What the hell is Jets fans united?
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With reports from the all invaluable rotoworld blurbs, apparently Jacksonville is interested in drafting offense and Detroit has drafting a QB on the table.
I'd have to think the odds of us getting one of the top two pass rushers is more than plausible
And if Detroit is seriously contemplating a QB at 2, that presumably also means teams wanting to trade up for a QB is surely going to be on the table, at least depending on what Detroit does
It's been lying season for a while now. But the final 10 days leading up to the draft you shouldn't believe a single word anybody has to say right now. I believe the most reliable 'stuff' we have heard usually comes waaaaay back in January/February before the senior bowl even really gets going. Everything since then is smoke, mirrors and a large amount of misdirection.
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It's been lying season for a while now. But the final 10 days leading up to the draft you shouldn't believe a single word anybody has to say right now. I believe the most reliable 'stuff' we have heard usually comes waaaaay back in January/February before the senior bowl even really gets going. Everything since then is smoke, mirrors and a large amount of misdirection.
It is lying season
But why the freak would the first overall pick lie, Jacksonville lying about drafting offense isn't going to make a trade market for the first pick.
And if Detroit is interested in drafting a QB, they're not going to trade the pick.
I get that it's lying season, but neither of these make sense as intentional lies or smoke screens.
Now whether they're flat out stupid, wrong, or bullshit.
That's a different story
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With reports from the all invaluable rotoworld blurbs, apparently Jacksonville is interested in drafting offense and Detroit has drafting a QB on the table.
I'd have to think the odds of us getting one of the top two pass rushers is more than plausible
And if Detroit is seriously contemplating a QB at 2, that presumably also means teams wanting to trade up for a QB is surely going to be on the table, at least depending on what Detroit does
The scenario I've been entertaining myself with is Tackle first overall, QB to Detroit, and then Houston pass on Hutchinson because they assumed he would be off the board and they forced themselves to fall in love with someone who wouldn't be.
Hutch at 4. Much happy.
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It is lying season
But why the freak would the first overall pick lie, Jacksonville lying about drafting offense isn't going to make a trade market for the first pick.
And if Detroit is interested in drafting a QB, they're not going to trade the pick.
I get that it's lying season, but neither of these make sense as intentional lies or smoke screens.
Now whether they're flat out stupid, wrong, or bullshit.
That's a different story
Because Spy games are absurd is the root of it.
If the Jags want defense/defense at 1 and 33, and teams think “well they almost took a T at 1, they probably will target one at 33” might enable a team to trade ahead of them for a T pushing a guy down to them. Or a team may not want an OT but thinks the Jags do, so they don’t jump them for their guy.
As for Detroit, if there is anyone out there believing they might take a QB that wants one, perhaps that forces a trade to 1 and a QB goes #1 and then voila Hutch is in their laps.
Does any of that make sense or seem logical? Not at all. But these teams play spy games for a reason and that’s mostly because confusion is a big key for them. If no one knows then they feel better about it for whatever reason
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The scenario I've been entertaining myself with is Tackle first overall, QB to Detroit, and then Houston pass on Hutchinson because they assumed he would be off the board and they forced themselves to fall in love with someone who wouldn't be.
Hutch at 4. Much happy.
Speak it into existence
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Chris Simms Top 5 TE
1. Ruckert
2. McBride
3. Dulcich
4. Likely
5. James Mitchell (Va Tech)
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Drafting defense is for losers but this seems like one of the better LB and S drafts in recent memory
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I still hate Kyle Hamilton and safeties in general but it feels like he’s become underrated at this point. Still not an option for me at 4.
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I'm a little surprised we haven't checked out Jahan Dotson at all, he seems like he would be a good fit in this system. Maybe he's too similar to Moore.
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I still hate Kyle Hamilton and safeties in general but it feels like he’s become underrated at this point. Still not an option for me at 4.
He needed to run well to be an option at 4, and he didn't run well.
If the Jets take Hamilton at 10, I would be somewhat excited because I trust Saleh to know exactly what he's looking for in this defense, and Hamilton can be an exciting player who can potentially be a massive difference maker.
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definitely a weak approach but kind of at the point where if we don't have our guy available at 4, would be okay with a reach for one of our 5-9 guys that may not make it to 10. to me that guy is sauce. EDGE or sauce
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I'm not a stat nerd at all, but I thought this was interesting:
Top WR Seasons by % of Receptions coming on Contested Catches (minus screens)
(Power 5 only, min. 800 receiving yards to qualify, 2017-2021)
1 N'Keal Harry, 2018
2 JJ Arcega-Whiteside, 2018
3 Jalen Reagor, 2018
4 DRAKE LONDON, 2021
5 Denzel Mims, 2019
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I'm not a stat nerd at all, but I thought this was interesting:
Top WR Seasons by % of Receptions coming on Contested Catches (minus screens)
(Power 5 only, min. 800 receiving yards to qualify, 2017-2021)
1 N'Keal Harry, 2018
2 JJ Arcega-Whiteside, 2018
3 Jalen Reagor, 2018
4 DRAKE LONDON, 2021
5 Denzel Mims, 2019
Harry is one of the worst separators I've ever seen in the NFL. Mims is pretty bad too.
I'd much rather have a receiver that can get open than someone that wins 50/50 balls.
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Harry is one of the worst separators I've ever seen in the NFL. Mims is pretty bad too.
I'd much rather have a receiver that can get open than someone that wins 50/50 balls.
Arcega-Whiteside converted to TE apparently
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Arcega-Whiteside converted to TE apparently
He stinks
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He stinks
that whole list stinks.
I want to draft the wideout that gets separation. Drake London is not dat dude.
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that whole list stinks.
I want to draft the wideout that gets separation. Drake London is not dat dude.
For his size and for a 20-yr-old, he actually does a nice job. Not at a Jameson/GWilson level, but he obviously has a different skill-set. It depends on what JD and MLF are looking for.
Like you, I do lean Wilson, but I'd be cool with London. Without the ankle, he might have been the consensus no-brainer #1 WR prospect, who knows. I like London's versatility as a big slot in certain packages.
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For his size and for a 20-yr-old, he actually does a nice job. Not at a Jameson/GWilson level, but he obviously has a different skill-set. It depends on what JD and MLF are looking for.
Like you, I do lean Wilson, but I'd be cool with London. Without the ankle, he might have been the consensus no-brainer #1 WR prospect, who knows. I like London's versatility as a big slot in certain packages.
you mean Williams.
Garrett Wilson is no slouch either.
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you mean Williams.
Garrett Wilson is no slouch either.
Youre right, Jameson. I also prefer both over London.
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Connor Rogers talked about London's ability to win in the quick game, which I've always been a fan of. But are you drafting a guy in the Top 10 to run slants?
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Regardless of whether we draft or trade for a receiver, I want someone who can take the top off a defense.
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Connor Rogers talked about London's ability to win in the quick game, which I've always been a fan of. But are you drafting a guy in the Top 10 to run slants?
I’d also expect Williams/Wilson/Olave to win a fuckton of slants in the league as well. So no, I’m not drafting a wr at 10 to win on slants. I expect that as a baseline from a prospect that highlY rated and want more from a guy that early.
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I’d also expect Williams/Wilson/Olave to win a fuckton of slants in the league as well. So no, I’m not drafting a wr at 10 to win on slants. I expect that as a baseline from a prospect that highlY rated and want more from a guy that early.
You can use a big bodied wideout differently in the quick game. Tighter windows because they can box out.
It’s how we tried to use Corey Davis and he was just inconsistent.
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You can use a big bodied wideout differently in the quick game. Tighter windows because they can box out.
It’s how we tried to use Corey Davis and he was just inconsistent.
No issue with any of that. But i want more than that if I’m taking a WR top 10. I should be able to find a bigger bodied guy who can catch slants and shield his defender from the ball (as his only real skill) later in the draft
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https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1517859381001342980?t=-wonO5LpjGfUMr96_FiixA&s=19
Interesting way of saying it.
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https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1517859381001342980?t=-wonO5LpjGfUMr96_FiixA&s=19
Interesting way of saying it.
it was a passive aggressive way of saying our current roster stinks at most positions.
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https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1517859381001342980?t=-wonO5LpjGfUMr96_FiixA&s=19
Interesting way of saying it.
An actual potential draft for us (whether you like it or not)
Kayvon Thibodeaux
Jameson Williams
Nakobe Dean
Lewis Cine
I think Jeremiah would be spot on if we draft those four guys or an amalgamation of similar players at those spots
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An actual potential draft for us (whether you like it or not)
Kayvon Thibodeaux
Jameson Williams
Nakobe Dean
Lewis Cine
I think Jeremiah would be spot on if we draft those four guys or an amalgamation of similar players at those spots
Yeah, I don't think it's that crazy of a statement, especially if you take a broader view of "talented."
- Carl Lawson is a very good edge when healthy, but he's coming off a torn Achilles, and you could argue the top edges are more talented on paper.
- I love Elijah Moore and I like Corey Davis, but you can argue any of the WRs at 10 are better than them.
- Linderbaum is more talented than McGovern.
- A top-40 safety is probably more talented than any of our current safeties.
- Sauce or Stingley are more talented than any of our current corners. Maybe Duff, too.
- Some of the day 2 running backs could be considered more talented than Carter.
- Hell, if you aren't totally sold on Becton or Fant, you can certainly argue Neal or Ekwonu are more talented as well.
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I don't think Dean makes it out of the 1st round.
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I don't think Dean makes it out of the 1st round.
If he does, we better move up to 33 to get him
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If he does, we better move up to 33 to get him
freak that. It’s going to cost 117 either way, so go up to 31 and secure the guy and bonus net that fifth year option
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it was a passive aggressive way of saying our current roster stinks at most positions.
Pretty sure that wasn't his intent considering he's best buds with our GM. I took it as him only trying to highlight our opportunity to get significantly better quickly with those picks.
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Last year's draft and this one should form the core of what this team will be for years to come.
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Pretty sure that wasn't his intent considering he's best buds with our GM. I took it as him only trying to highlight our opportunity to get significantly better quickly with those picks.
DJ doesn't play favorites
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Last year's draft and this one should form the core of what this team will be for years to come.
If we play our cards right then we should have a sturdy core like we did in the early 00s, when we made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years.
Just need to avoid letting one side of the roster rot like 2003's defense or 2005's offense. And most importantly having a steady QB to lead us.
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London in the slot is a problem. That’s where I see a lot of Crabtree in his game.
I don’t think that’s worth a top ten pick. If we’re able to move back, I’m all for it.
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Jameson Williams and a trade back are my preferred outcomes with the 10th pick right now (I'm assuming Sauce will be gone).
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At this point w/ all the discussion around Jameson to the Jets I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone jumped us at 8/9 to take him
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At this point w/ all the discussion around Jameson to the Jets I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone jumped us at 8/9 to take him
JACKASS, ILL KILL YOU
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At this point w/ all the discussion around Jameson to the Jets I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone jumped us at 8/9 to take him
Then we just take Wilson and ride off into the sunset.
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DJ top 150
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-150-prospects-in-the-2022-nfl-draft-class
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Looks like the consensus on this board is that we hate Drake London. Can someone help me understand why?
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Looks like the consensus on this board is that we hate Drake London. Can someone help me understand why?
I think he's good, but not great. It's a top 10 pick. We should be able to land a blue chip player with that pick.
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Looks like the consensus on this board is that we hate Drake London. Can someone help me understand why?
I like London and would be cool with him at 10, if the FO deems him worthy.
His production, size, and relative polish at his age are impressive. As I've mentioned before, if he doesn't get injured he could have very well been the lock #1 WR prospect in this class. I'm not overly-concerned with his 40 since his game isn't predicated on speed.
As far as I can tell, the main issue among detractors is that he didn't run a 40, so therefore let's ignore his tape and production and pretend he's too slow and can't separate.
Is he Mike Evans as a prospect? No. But he is a very good, solid, ascending talent imo.
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Bigger Michael Crabtree
He's a guy that can catch 100+ balls as a jumbo slot. He did some good stuff after the catch at USC, but I do worry about him as a separator in the NFL. I do think he can be a problem in the redzone and in the quick game.
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Looks like the consensus on this board is that we hate Drake London. Can someone help me understand why?
He's shrinking, he'll be 5'11" by draft night.
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I like London and would be cool with him at 10, if the FO deems him worthy.
His production, size, and relative polish at his age are impressive. As I've mentioned before, if he doesn't get injured he could have very well been the lock #1 WR prospect in this class. I'm not overly-concerned with his 40 since his game isn't predicated on speed.
As far as I can tell, the main issue among detractors is that he didn't run a 40, so therefore let's ignore his tape and production and pretend he's too slow and can't separate.
Is he Mike Evans as a prospect? No. But he is a very good, solid, ascending talent imo.
In a draft that's quite deep at WR, why wouldn't you run the 40? Especially if you aspire to get picked in the top 10. London is a great contested-ball/possession type WR. I want to know how fast he is.
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In a draft that's quite deep at WR, why wouldn't you run the 40? Especially if you aspire to get picked in the top 10. London is a great contested-ball/possession type WR. I want to know how fast he is.
Because he might get picked in the top 10 without it?
He's also coming off a broken ankle. If he doesn't think he can run at full strength right now, then it can only hurt his stock to run.
I think London is a great compliment to Moore. I understand London theoretically doesn't have as big of a ceiling, but he was extremely productive in the Pac-12 at an extremely young age. I think we need that big receiver option to compliment Elijah Moore. However, if the Jets don't think he's as good as Garrett Wilson or Jameson Williams, you can make a strong case for Wilson's overall talent or Williams' speed being a good fit for the Jets as well.
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In a draft that's quite deep at WR, why wouldn't you run the 40? Especially if you aspire to get picked in the top 10. London is a great contested-ball/possession type WR. I want to know how fast he is.
No doubt, not running didn't help him.
But his excuse is at least understandable...he wasn't able to prep for weeks/months to run it, like other prospects.
Barely prepping and running a 4.75 would not be a benefit haha.
But if JD prefers a GWilson/ Jameson-type for this offense, I'm happy with that too. If the choice is London at 10 or Watson in the 2nd, I'm also going to pause and think.
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Because he might get picked in the top 10 without it?
He's also coming off a broken ankle. If he doesn't think he can run at full strength right now, then it can only hurt his stock to run.
I think London is a great compliment to Moore. I understand London theoretically doesn't have as big of a ceiling, but he was extremely productive in the Pac-12 at an extremely young age. I think we need that big receiver option to compliment Elijah Moore. However, if the Jets don't think he's as good as Garrett Wilson or Jameson Williams, you can make a strong case for Wilson's overall talent or Williams' speed being a good fit for the Jets as well.
When you're competing against a big class of WRs....speed counts. If I'm a GM with a top 10 pick, i want all the cards on the table. And before you mention Williams, everyone knows what he can do.
I'm aware of the broken ankle....i'm also aware of his clearance to run at his pro day, and he still opted out of the 40.
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In a draft that's quite deep at WR, why wouldn't you run the 40?
He has nothing to gain from it.
Speed isn't his game at all. He is a possession player.
He could go out there and run a 4.6-4.7 and it wouldn't change anything about how he plays.
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He has nothing to gain from it.
Speed isn't his game at all. He is a possession player.
He could go out there and run a 4.6-4.7 and it wouldn't change anything about how he plays.
And this is why i want to pass on him in the top 10. We need a WR that can take the top off a D....give me Jamo, Wilson, even Olave.
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This is interesting, he's been rising a lot of boards I've seen in the last couple of weeks.
https://twitter.com/draftcampbell/status/1518658934277648384
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This is interesting, he's been rising a lot of boards I've seen in the last couple of weeks.
https://twitter.com/draftcampbell/status/1518658934277648384
Really? Every time I look at his betting props, his number seems to rise to 4.5 and even 5.5.
So Neal, Dean, Green, Lloyd and Raimann have all reportedly been flagged for some medical issues according to random Twitterers.
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Really? Every time I look at his betting props, his number seems to rise to 4.5 and even 5.5.
I have literally no idea what that means.
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Also:
https://twitter.com/TheoAshNFL/status/1518655434294407168
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I have literally no idea what that means.
I cover sports betting, so I've been following sports betting markets, which are almost entirely in tune with Twitter buzz. Neal's over/under is 4.5 or 5.5 in most places (under is top 4 or top 5, over is anything after that).
For example, Jermaine Johnson went from like the 6th-most likely pick for the Jets to the 2nd-most likely pick for the Jets in the betting markets, purely based on tweets today from guys like Hughes and others.
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I cover sports betting, so I've been following sports betting markets, which are almost entirely in tune with Twitter buzz. Neal's over/under is 4.5 or 5.5 in most places (under is top 4 or top 5, over is anything after that).
For example, Jermaine Johnson went from like the 6th-most likely pick for the Jets to the 2nd-most likely pick for the Jets in the betting markets, purely based on tweets today from guys like Hughes and others.
Ah, apologies. I was talking about Raimann, but I failed to effectively communicate that.
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Ah, apologies. I was talking about Raimann, but I failed to effectively communicate that.
All good. I try to pretend like the 24-year old MAC product doesn't actually exist.
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Looks like the consensus on this board is that we hate Drake London. Can someone help me understand why?
I don’t see anything in him to make me think he’ll be a high level NFL player. Like if everything goes his way in the perfect situation, he can be relied on to move the chains and be a solid piece to an offense, but personally I think there about 7 receivers that I think have a brighter future.
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Fun fact, Drake London is only about half an inch taller than George Pickens.
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What do you think of Romeo Doubs?
He’s got a poor man’s Davante vibe that I figured might catch your eye.
Poor man’s Davante got drafted by the Packers. Love to see it.
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Muma Milkers gonna show up to Jags' OTAs wearing this.
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