Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 08, 2019, 03:34:24 PM
http://www.nfl.com/combine/participants?campaign=tw-cf-sf207401743-sf207401743&sf207401743=1&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 08, 2019, 03:37:43 PM
Post by: insanity on February 08, 2019, 06:21:52 PM
T.J. Hockenson rated #4 overall prospect by NFL.comWe should take him /s
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 08, 2019, 07:20:39 PM
We should take him /s
We should tho /sicko mode
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 13, 2019, 09:23:26 PM
Oof. Borderline first rounder, maybe not now.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 14, 2019, 06:22:11 AM
Per Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero, LA Tech EDGE Jaylon Ferguson has been stripped of his Combine invitation due being convicted of simple battery for a fight at McDonalds as a freshman and a separate public intoxication charge. #NFLDraft
Oof. Borderline first rounder, maybe not now.
Sends a hell of a message that violence matters (if people pay attention that is). What he did years ago is preventing him from the biggest job interview of his life.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 18, 2019, 11:48:40 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 18, 2019, 01:49:22 PM
Oklahoma WR Marquise Brown, a projected top 15 pick in April’s NFL Draft, underwent surgery for a LisFranc injury last month that will prevent him from participating in the combine and his Pro Day, but he still is expected to be ready for summer training camp, per league sources.
That's a scary injury for a receiver.
He's one of the best skill players in this draft, but his size and this injury won't do him any favors. He is a near perfect fit in Adam Gase's offense.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 23, 2019, 09:11:02 PM
Post by: Pope on February 23, 2019, 10:08:04 PM
Post by: insanity on February 24, 2019, 06:17:41 AM
Brad Kelly is a gay fagSo he is straight?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 24, 2019, 10:43:41 AM
Registration, orientation, interviews for Group 1 (PK, ST, OL), Group 2 (OL) and Group 3 (RB)
Wednesday, Feb. 27:
Registration, orientation, interviews for Group 4 (TE), Group 5 (QB, WR) and Group 6 (QB, WR)
Measurements, medical exams, interviews for Group 1 (PK, ST, OL), Group 2 (OL) and Group 3 (RB)
Thursday, Feb. 28:
Registration, orientation, interviews for Group 7 (DL), Group 8 (DL) and Group 9 (LB)
Measurements, medical exams, interviews for Group 4 (TE), Group 5 (QB, WR) and Group 6 (QB, WR)
Bench press, media, Wonderlic for Group 1 (PK, ST, OL), Group 2 (OL) and Group 3 (RB)
Friday, March 1:
Registration, orientation, interviews for Group 10 (DB) and Group 11 (DB)
Measurements, medical exams, interviews for Group 7 (DL), Group 8 (DL) and Group 9 (LB)
Bench press, media, Wonderlic for Group 4 (TE), Group 5 (QB, WR) and Group 6 (QB, WR)
On-field workout for Group 1 (PK, ST, OL), Group 2 (OL) and Group 3 (RB)
Saturday, March 2:
Measurements, medical exams, interviews for Group 10 (DB) and Group 11 (DB)
Bench press, media, Wonderlic for Group 7 (DL), Group 8 (DL) and Group 9 (LB)
On-field workout for Group 4 (TE), Group 5 (QB, WR) and Group 6 (QB, WR)
Sunday, March 3:
Bench press, media, Wonderlic for Group 10 (DB) and Group 11 (DB)
On-field workout for Group 7 (DL), Group 8 (DL) and Group 9 (LB)
Monday, March 4:
On-field workout for Group 10 (DB) and Group 11 (DB)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 24, 2019, 10:44:59 AM
Start time TV channel Player groups
9 a.m. NFL Network RB, OL, ST, K
Saturday, March 2
Start time TV channel Player groups
10 a.m. NFL Network QB, WR, TE
*1 p.m. ABC QB, WR
* - ABC will provide two hours of live NFL Combine coverage (QB and WR workouts) Saturday, starting at 1 p.m. ET. It will mark the first time a broadcast network has televised any portion of the NFL Combine.
Sunday, March 3
Start time TV channel Player groups
9 a.m. NFL Network DL, LB
Monday, March 4
Start time TV channel Player groups
9 a.m. NFL Network DB
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 24, 2019, 10:46:05 AM
The 2019 NFL Combine can be streamed live via the NFL app and NFL.com. According to the league, a one-hour show called "Combine Today," which will recap each day of the Combine, can be streamed on those platforms, too.
For those who are watching from Canada, the 2019 NFL Combine can be streamed live via DAZN. New users who sign up for DAZN to watch the NFL Combine can do so with a 30-day free trial.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 26, 2019, 06:05:23 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 27, 2019, 09:05:33 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 28, 2019, 12:44:46 PM
82 7/8 wingspan is a new record for WRs. Previously held by Jaleel Scott (81 1/4)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 28, 2019, 12:46:05 PM
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IowaState WR Hakeem Butler
Height: 6-5 3/8
Weight: 227
Hand: 10 6/8
Arm: 35 2/8
Wingspan: 83 7/8
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 28, 2019, 08:32:42 PM
DK Metcalf
82 7/8 wingspan is a new record for WRs. Previously held by Jaleel Scott (81 1/4)
6-foot-3 and 3/8 and 228 pounds - with 1.6% body fat which is physically impossible
This is from Rap but I think his source has to be off.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 28, 2019, 09:07:00 PM
6-foot-3 and 3/8 and 228 pounds - with 1.6% body fat which is physically impossible
This is from Rap but I think his source has to be off.
If he runs well, he’ll be a target for us at 3.
Post by: insanity on February 28, 2019, 09:27:46 PM
Whoops
Holy excrement
Post by: Libero_2 on February 28, 2019, 09:30:56 PM
6-foot-3 and 3/8 and 228 pounds - with 1.6% body fat which is physically impossible
This is from Rap but I think his source has to be off.
He has to be on something right? If I was any team looking at him seriously I’d want to see his pee test and run it for everything. Those numbers are just bonkers.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 01, 2019, 12:32:48 AM
#Missouri WR Emanuel Hall
Height: 6-1 7/8
Weight: 201
Hand: 9 6/8
Arm: 33 2/8
Wingspan: 79 3/8
Post by: Gorilla on March 01, 2019, 09:28:59 AM
After the Senior Bowl and today’s combine, that ship has sailed...kid is a lock 1st rounder.
Edit: Garrett Bradbury also making some money today.
Post by: Laxin on March 01, 2019, 09:55:36 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 01, 2019, 01:31:49 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2019, 02:17:08 PM
27 reps on the bench for DK Metcalf
Godking
Post by: MBGreen on March 01, 2019, 02:29:31 PM
Mike Tanier
✔
@MikeTanier
Hakeem Butler 18 reps. With his arm length that's like pulling a piano up the side of a skyscraper.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 01, 2019, 02:59:07 PM
Mike Tanier
✔
@MikeTanier
Hakeem Butler 18 reps. With his arm length that's like pulling a piano up the side of a skyscraper.
What the hell does that even mean? And what does that say about Metcalfs 27?
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 01, 2019, 03:31:22 PM
What the hell does that even mean? And what does that say about Metcalfs 27?When your arms are long, it's hard to put up that many reps. And it means Metcalf's numbers are equally ridiculous, if not more ridiculous.
Bottom line, they're both ridiculously strong.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 01, 2019, 03:41:45 PM
When your arms are long, it's hard to put up that many reps. And it means Metcalf's numbers are equally ridiculous, if not more ridiculous.
Bottom line, they're both ridiculously strong.
Given that Metcalf did 9 more reps and Butlers arms are less than 1/2 and inch longer I would say relative strength goes to Metcalf don’t you?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 01, 2019, 04:50:07 PM
Given that Metcalf did 9 more reps and Butlers arms are less than 1/2 and inch longer I would say relative strength goes to Metcalf don’t you?
It’s harder when your arms are long and skinny. Metcalf has the physique of a bodybuilder. It’s like comparing Durant and Lebron on the bench press.
Yes Metcalf has more relative strength, but benching is mechanically harder for Butler. Doing 225 BP for max reps is just as much about stamina as strength, IMO.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2019, 05:29:48 PM
When your arms are long, it's hard to put up that many reps. And it means Metcalf's numbers are equally ridiculous, if not more ridiculous.
Bottom line, they're both ridiculously strong.
They're both very physical players too, so that strength translates over to the game.
There's three early round skill players that has a skillset that meshes with what Sam Darnold does well:
DK Metcalf
JJ Arcega-Whiteside
Hakeem Butler
These are physical, 50/50 ball winners. Deontay Burnett has a lot of that in his game, but he isn't a big, physical target like these three have shown.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 01, 2019, 05:59:14 PM
They're both very physical players too, so that strength translates over to the game.
There's three early round skill players that has a skillset that meshes with what Sam Darnold does well:
DK Metcalf
JJ Arcega-Whiteside
Hakeem Butler
These are physical, 50/50 ball winners. Deontay Burnett has a lot of that in his game, but he isn't a big, physical target like these three have shown.
N’Keal fit into that grouping, in terms of skillset? Not as strong as the others though
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2019, 06:08:37 PM
N’Keal fit into that grouping, in terms of skillset? Not as strong as the others though
I don't like N'Keal as much as others. I think he'll struggle to separate.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 01, 2019, 06:16:01 PM
I don't like N'Keal as much as others. I think he'll struggle to separate.
That’s what I’ve read about him, and that he is more of a 50/50 type. But it doesn’t seem like he has that physical aspect in his game compared to the others. He’s a great “go up and get it” type receiver.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2019, 06:21:09 PM
That’s what I’ve read about him, and that he is more of a 50/50 type. But it doesn’t seem like he has that physical aspect in his game compared to the others. He’s a great “go up and get it” type receiver.
Yeah, because he has to go up and get it because he can't get away from anyone.
I've seen him do some really good things after the catch on screen plays, but he has a really hard time separating as a routing runner.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 10:02:19 AM
Greg Little and Elijah Holyfield took a hit
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 10:09:46 AM
1-3pm
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 10:19:05 AM
Looks like Garrett Bradbury and Andre Dillard boosted their stock the most yesterday
Greg Little and Elijah Holyfield took a hit
Eric McCoy and Chris Lindstrom has a day as well
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 11:41:51 AM
He gon be a problem
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 11:42:40 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2019, 11:52:25 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 11:53:12 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 11:54:36 AM
We really need to trade back and acquire picks. There's gonna be some solid talent available in the 2nd round.
There’s gonna be some premium talent there at positions of need - OL, WR. Lesser needs, but there should be some really good TE and DL prospects there too.
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2019, 11:55:47 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 02, 2019, 12:03:48 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 12:25:39 PM
I have never understood why so much importance is attached to the 40, regardless of position. Take WR, a guy running the 40 in 4.35 has elite speed and a guy running it in 4.6 is mediocre to slow, but what real difference in a game situation does a quarter of a second make over a 40 yard straight line? That's a fraction over half a second difference to run the entire length of the field. There will be occasional scenarios in which that quarter second makes the difference between being tackled and not, or between getting enough separation to make a catch and not, but it seems to me that there are so many things that should matter more. The 40 gets all the headlines but I would have thought that the 3 cone is a way better indicator of a player's ability to separate.
https://twitter.com/ledyardnfldraft/status/1101870274016935937
Post by: Johnny English on March 02, 2019, 12:36:18 PM
https://twitter.com/ledyardnfldraft/status/1101870274016935937
See, that's a great example of what I'm talking about. Chris Cooley ran 4.87 and he's a two time Pro Bowler. Dwayne Allen ran 4.89 and he's got a ring. (The first one I went to was Alge Crumpler because there was no way that freaking heifer ran sub 4.9, but astonishingly he did 4.76.) Jason Witten probably hasn't been capable of running a sub 5 second 40 in the past 7 or 8 years, but those are mostly his best ones. Writing a player off before he's even seen a snap in the NFL simply because he failed to hit an arbitrary value in a single physical test makes no sense to me, particularly in a position where straight line speed is far from essential.
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2019, 12:47:02 PM
See, that's a great example of what I'm talking about. Chris Cooley ran 4.87 and he's a two time Pro Bowler. Dwayne Allen ran 4.89 and he's got a ring. (The first one I went to was Alge Crumpler because there was no way that freaking heifer ran sub 4.9, but astonishingly he did 4.76.) Jason Witten probably hasn't been capable of running a sub 5 second 40 in the past 7 or 8 years, but those are mostly his best ones. Writing a player off before he's even seen a snap in the NFL simply because he failed to hit an arbitrary value in a single physical test makes no sense to me, particularly in a position where straight line speed is far from essential.
Speed kills, and you can't teach it.
/argument
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 12:49:46 PM
See, that's a great example of what I'm talking about. Chris Cooley ran 4.87 and he's a two time Pro Bowler. Dwayne Allen ran 4.89 and he's got a ring. (The first one I went to was Alge Crumpler because there was no way that freaking heifer ran sub 4.9, but astonishingly he did 4.76.) Jason Witten probably hasn't been capable of running a sub 5 second 40 in the past 7 or 8 years, but those are mostly his best ones. Writing a player off before he's even seen a snap in the NFL simply because he failed to hit an arbitrary value in a single physical test makes no sense to me, particularly in a position where straight line speed is far from essential.
So if you’re drafting a TE in the late rounds are you taking Nauta or a similar prospect that ran a 4.75? You said a quarter of a second doesn’t really matter but you can actually visually see the difference when watching them run. Nauta looked stiff as hell and awkward.
Jordan Leggett ran a 4.71 at his Pro day. Not trying to acquire guys even slower than him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 12:51:24 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2019, 01:07:14 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2019, 01:45:53 PM
Kid should’ve played hockey
Post by: Gorilla on March 02, 2019, 02:05:06 PM
My boy Andy Isabella with a 4.56, ooof...he’s gonna have to improve on that.
Edit: Geeyotdaaamn, my other fave McLaurin with a sub 4.4, nice!
Edit edit: JFC, Metcalf with a mufuckin 4.33, are u serious??
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2019, 02:05:52 PM
He’s easily top 5 now.
Post by: Gorilla on March 02, 2019, 02:08:04 PM
DK Metcalf just ran a 4.33
He’s easily top 5 now.
“With the 3rd pick in the 2019 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select...”
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2019, 02:10:38 PM
“With the 3rd pick in the 2019 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select...”Yes...Sam needs the DK
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 02, 2019, 02:12:41 PM
Post by: Gorilla on March 02, 2019, 02:18:06 PM
Still would rather trade down but his combine performance is enough to put him in strong consideration at 3.Totally agree.
DK has been my WR1 in this class, but id only be comfortable with him in a trade down....until this combine. I tend to not overreact to the individual drills, but he’s now in the Julio Jones-level athletic freakishness for the position (juuuust below the god-level tier of Calvin Johnson).
Let’s see bow he looks in he drills.
Id be stoked to get him at 3, even over a Josh Allen.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 02, 2019, 02:25:38 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2019, 02:28:55 PM
Any chance he goes to San Fran? That offense is so bad and Jimmy G needs weapons too.We need the Cards to take Murray.
Then we’ll have an embarrassment of riches to choose from (one of Bosa/Metcalf/Allen/Taylor) depending on what the Niners do.
Post by: reuben on March 02, 2019, 02:33:11 PM
DK Metcalf just ran a 4.33
He’s easily top 5 now.
Holy excrement.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 02, 2019, 02:33:39 PM
We need the Cards to take Murray.
Then we’ll have an embarrassment of riches to choose from (one of Bosa/Metcalf/Allen/Taylor) depending on what the Niners do.
Don’t forget that this all makes a trade down to 6/7 all the more enticing. If there are 7 elite prospects in this draft we could trade down a smidge and still get one. That would be astronomical
Imagine going from 3 to 7 picking up a 1 next year a two this year and more and still getting to choose from one of Bosa, Allen, Williams, Taylor, Metcalf because two QBs went in the top 6.
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2019, 02:36:06 PM
Don’t forget that this all makes a trade down to 6/7 all the more enticing. If there are 7 elite prospects in this draft we could trade down a smidge and still get one. That would be astronomicalI could see Jon Gruden getting a massive erection for Metcalf at 4
Imagine going from 3 to 7 picking up a 1 next year a two this year and more and still getting to choose from one of Bosa, Allen, Williams, Taylor, Metcalf because two QBs went in the top 6.
Post by: Gorilla on March 02, 2019, 02:36:38 PM
Any chance he goes to San Fran? That offense is so bad and Jimmy G needs weapons too.
It’s possible, but then we snap up Josh Allen (or Bosa if Murray goes number one...Bosa still the top player in the draft so id be ecstatic).
Right now, unless he diarrheas himself during the wr drills, Metcalf might be my second overall player in the entire draft after Bosa. That’s how uncommon these physical traits are. Hopefully he now has adamantium in his neck.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 02, 2019, 02:38:02 PM
It’s possible, but then we snap up Josh Allen (or Bosa if Murray goes number one...Bosa still the top player in the draft so id be ecstatic).
Right now, unless he diarrheas himself during the wr drills, Metcalf might be my second overall player in the entire draft after Bosa. That’s how uncommon these physical traits are. Hopefully he now has adamantium in his neck.
His medical is going to be gigantic for him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 02:38:12 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 02, 2019, 02:39:55 PM
I could see Jon Gruden getting a massive erection for Metcalf at 4If you want a specific guy from that cluster you stay and take him. But if you are gonna walk away happy with whomever is left on the board, then the deal is the best thing for the future of the franchise
Now we need elite awesomeness from Haskins Murray and Locke from here on out.
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2019, 02:43:34 PM
DONKEY KONGGase was oiling up Bowell Foggains while Metcalf ran the 40
Post by: Gorilla on March 02, 2019, 03:03:23 PM
"Oh my gaaawwd...I always said that Julio Jones was god's gift at receiver, but this man might be the second coming."
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2019, 03:07:08 PM
Michael Irvin right after Metcalf's gauntlet drill:#Darnold2Metcalf
"Oh my gaaawwd...I always said that Julio Jones was god's gift at receiver, but this man might be the second coming."
My body is ready
Post by: Gorilla on March 02, 2019, 03:17:47 PM
#Darnold2Metcalf
My body is ready
Eisen confirmed that Metcalf's 4.33 is official, and is the fastest time ever recorded for a player of his size.
Again, it's not just the insane 40, obvs, but also the entire athletic profile. He is a rare freak, with only Calvin and Julio in his athletic ballpark. I'm comfortable rolling the dice on that, especially for a position vital for Darnold, and which was a borderline joke when Robby and/or Enunwa wasn't on the field.
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2019, 03:27:29 PM
Eisen confirmed that Metcalf's 4.33 is official, and is the fastest time ever recorded for a player of his size.
Again, it's not just the insane 40, obvs, but also the entire athletic profile. He is a rare freak, with only Calvin and Julio in his athletic ballpark. I'm comfortable rolling the dice on that, especially for a position vital for Darnold, and which was a borderline joke when Robby and/or Enunwa wasn't on the field.
I’m praying the Cards love Murray enough to take him 1st.
Landing Bosa or Metcalf....even Duff couldn’t freak that up.
Or...someone wants to trade us a ransom to move up to 3
This will be a fun offseason
Post by: insanity on March 02, 2019, 03:27:44 PM
Hakeem Butler and AJ Brown with sub-4.5 40s, great for them. N.Harry ran in 4.5’s , faster than i expected, which os also advantageous for him.
My boy Andy Isabella with a 4.56, ooof...he’s gonna have to improve on that.
Edit: Geeyotdaaamn, my other fave McLaurin with a sub 4.4, nice!
Edit edit: JFC, Metcalf with a mufuckin 4.33, are u serious??
Lmao looks like he did 4.31
Post by: Gorilla on March 02, 2019, 03:32:29 PM
Lmao looks like he did 4.31
Yep, just saw that for Isabella haha...that's more like it, homey!
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 02, 2019, 04:01:53 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 02, 2019, 04:02:30 PM
Mecole Hardman - 4.36
I like him a lot. He is really good after the catch.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 04:03:45 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 02, 2019, 04:05:00 PM
freak it, take DK at 3. Let’s get nuts
Draft DK, sign LeVeon, load the space ship with the rocket fuel.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 04:08:02 PM
And Metcalf's 10-yard split is 1.45 seconds which is insane. 99th percentile athlete. Risky to take at 3 but right now there are no slam dunk options
Most athletic receivers all-time (metrics are proprietary):
1) Calvin Johnson
2) Matt Jones
3) DK
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2019, 04:09:33 PM
Most athletic receivers all-time (metrics are proprietary):Matt Jones is the reason they test for cocaine at the combine
1) Calvin Johnson
2) Matt Jones
3) DK
Post by: Badger on March 02, 2019, 04:34:51 PM
freak it, take DK at 3. Let’s get nutsLet's freaking go
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 04:52:09 PM
It’s not like we would be reaching for a Corey Davis type guy here. If he checks out medically than I don’t see what the argument against him would be.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 04:58:02 PM
Post by: reuben on March 02, 2019, 05:01:22 PM
As fast as Brandin Cooks.
Obligatory Pope "boy out here lookin like a snack."
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 05:01:52 PM
Eisen confirmed that Metcalf's 4.33 is official, and is the fastest time ever recorded for a player of his size.
Again, it's not just the insane 40, obvs, but also the entire athletic profile. He is a rare freak, with only Calvin and Julio in his athletic ballpark. I'm comfortable rolling the dice on that, especially for a position vital for Darnold, and which was a borderline joke when Robby and/or Enunwa wasn't on the field.
Good post
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 05:02:23 PM
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/63036617/DzJgLuwUYAAwI_y.0.jpg)
As fast as Brandon Cooks.
Obligatory Pope "boy out here lookin like a snack."
His right arm is the size of my entire torso
Post by: Laxin on March 02, 2019, 05:27:58 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 02, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 02, 2019, 09:11:49 PM
And Metcalf's 10-yard split is 1.45 seconds which is insane. 99th percentile athlete. Risky to take at 3 but right now there are no slam dunk options
Maccagnan has to gamble on Jawaan Taylor or DK Metcalf at 3. Both are high risk prospects, but they can also turn into top players at their positions.
A trade back would be nice, but he also has a chance at an elite prospect at a premier position. If we win in free agency, a trade back doesn't matter as much.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 02, 2019, 09:34:24 PM
Maccagnan has to gamble on Jawaan Taylor or DK Metcalf at 3. Both are high risk prospects, but they can also turn into top players at their positions.
A trade back would be nice, but he also has a chance at an elite prospect at a premier position. If we win in free agency, a trade back doesn't matter as much.
It really matters how far back we would go, and if Murray were to go 1. If Murray goes 1 and then the Jags want to move up to 3, we could get one of the top 5 players in the draft.
Or we could do what the titans did a few years back trade down to 10 with Denver (they went to 15 I believe) and then move back up and still net a top player and a solid package. I’d bet you if we got a future 1 2, 2s and a 3 from Denver, we could flip two 3s to the Jags to move back up to 7.
I just don’t want to see us rule it out.
Post by: IATA on March 02, 2019, 11:11:13 PM
Post by: IATA on March 02, 2019, 11:11:42 PM
Or we could do what the titans did a few years back trade down to 10 with Denver (they went to 15 I believe) and then move back up and still net a top player and a solid package. I’d bet you if we got a future 1 2, 2s and a 3 from Denver, we could flip two 3s to the Jags to move back up to 7.
I just don’t want to see us rule it out.
duff will freak it up
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2019, 11:35:27 PM
DK Metcalf
82 7/8 wingspan is a new record for WRs. Previously held by Jaleel Scott (81 1/4)
Big news guys. I’m checking in at 76 1/4 wingspan. If Chad Hansen can get drafted then I got a shot
Post by: Jumbo on March 03, 2019, 03:29:02 AM
If we take him at 3, I will be annoyed.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2019, 07:33:36 AM
Metcalf also had excrement shuttle and 3-cone scores. 40 is gonna make him way overrated.
If we take him at 3, I will be annoyed.
Metcalf bench numbers and his vertical leap were insane as well. He doesn't win with his agility. He is a possession receiver with elite speed.
If an NFL coaching staff can't develop an elite athlete like that as a route runner, they don't deserve to be in coaching any longer.
Metcalf catches everything and he can go get every throw (whether it's a deep shot or in the red zone). That's more important than him being able to run in an L shape.
He's the most explosive skill player to enter the league since Julio. It will be extremely difficult for any defensive back to handle him off the line.
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 07:49:23 AM
My big board for the jets at 3
1.Bosa
2.Allen
3.Taylor
4.Metcalf
i would prefer those 3 to Metcalf. Bosa is a potentially more explosive version of his brother who is a defensive swiss army knife as is. Josh Allen reminds me of Von Miller/Khalil Mack. He will be the Metcalf of edge rushers likely running sub 4.6 at 262 today. He also has more production attached to his playing career. Jawaan Taylor, Me and Heismanberg had a back and forth on my reservations for him to be picked at 3. I remove them after seeing his movement drill while on a bad hammy. He lacks some of the hip bend i would like in a top 3 OL but his hands and power at the point of attack and lateral movement for someone with his size and power makes the risk well worth taking.
I love Metcalf, im not remotely opposed to him at 3, I would just much rather see one of those other 3 names first.
Metcalf has possibly the strongest hands ive seen in a long time. Only Nuk compares
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 07:50:38 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2019, 08:11:26 AM
Allen just put up 28 on the bench. No more strength questions allowed
Someone was questioning Josh Allen's strength?
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2019, 08:12:28 AM
Metcalf has possibly the strongest hands ive seen in a long time. Only Nuk compares
Nuk didn't have very good cone and shuttle times either...
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2019, 08:21:39 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2019, 08:27:41 AM
Whoa
Post by: Gorilla on March 03, 2019, 08:45:12 AM
Quinnen just ran a 4.87...
Whoa
4.84 on his second run.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 08:52:59 AM
Metcalf also had excrement shuttle and 3-cone scores. 40 is gonna make him way overrated.
If we take him at 3, I will be annoyed.
https://mobile.twitter.com/tomfornelli/status/1102015829493903360
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 08:54:49 AM
Adam Thielen 4.49
Jarvis Landry 4.57
Nuk Hopkins 4.50
Dez Bryant 4.48
Robert Woods 4.47
Metcalf: 4.50
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 08:55:45 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 08:55:52 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 08:57:16 AM
20 yard shuttle:
Adam Thielen 4.49
Jarvis Landry 4.57
Nuk Hopkins 4.50
Dez Bryant 4.48
Robert Woods 4.47
Metcalf: 4.50
great stats there.
especially in metcalfs case because even if his slow in and out of cuts hes still smoking people before or after his movement so it almost nullifies it. especialy with the fact his bread and butter is body position and strong hands
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 08:58:31 AM
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Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 09:16:05 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2019, 09:17:30 AM
new avatar . dont get it twisted who i wantJames Wilder Jr.?
#APLite
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 09:18:21 AM
“You got to think about him, you got to know he’s there, you got to know where he’s at, you got to make sure the line knows where he’s at if you’re trying to slide to him,” Missouri quarterback Drew Lock said. “I would think if you had any player on your team that does that, then pretty high praise to him.”
“You never get a full story of who somebody is by watching film, (not) until you really get in person and see him,” Mississippi State quarterback Nick Fitzgerald said. “Honestly, (Allen) disrupted everything about our game. The way he was able to come off the edge so quickly, so powerful. By the time I hit my third step he was already there. He disrupts everything. I couldn’t pass the ball. He was making plays in the run game as well. He was definitely a big game-disrupter.
“Sadly for us, we underestimated his ability to really change a game.
“His first step off the ball is something that is incredible,” McSorley said. “That’s one of the things you see that jumps out on film right away. His first step, how he will edge tackles, his speed and bend off the edge, he is long, he gets really good bend, and he is able to really attack the ball when he gets to the quarterback. He isn’t just looking for the sack. He’s looking for the strip-sack every single time.”
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 09:19:46 AM
James Wilder Jr.?
#APLite
yep i was incredibly wrong there. Ill never shy away from my misses. I also have a good track record and more often then not am pretty damn solid lol .
I just threw my back out trying to pat it but i still stand by my Allen over everything endorsement.
Post by: Gorilla on March 03, 2019, 09:28:24 AM
new avatar . dont get it twisted who i want
Id be very hyped to get Allen at 3, no doubt. He’d be a Swiss Army machete for Wacky Gregg.
Ive said it before, if we stay at 3 im happy with Bosa, Allen, or Quinnen...with DK added to that short list.
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 09:31:22 AM
Id be very hyped to get Allen at 3, no doubt. He’d be a Swiss Army machete for Wacky Gregg.
Ive said it before, if we stay at 3 im happy with Bosa, Allen, or Quinnen...with DK added to that short list.
my big board for 3rd overall
1. Bosa
2. Allen
3. Jawaan Taylor
4. Quinnen Williams
5. DK Metcalf
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 09:33:19 AM
then the Jets are tasked with the decision of paying Trent Brown top dollar or trying to find someone in a draft with no 2nd rd pick and Jonah WIlliams is more of an OG imo. so then Jawaan Taylor becomes a very serious discussion that should be happening in that building.
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2019, 09:48:11 AM
Metcalf bench numbers and his vertical leap were insane as well. He doesn't win with his agility. He is a possession receiver with elite speed.
If an NFL coaching staff can't develop an elite athlete like that as a route runner, they don't deserve to be in coaching any longer
We already have a straight line receiver with elite speed, and a player being considered at #3 shouldn't require one of the fundamental parts of his role to be developed by the staff. Remember what happened last time we took a freak athlete who needed skills development with a high first round pick? He became one of the biggest busts in Jets history.
I don't buy the logic that says "these two particular amazing combine stats make him a must pick player, but these other terrible ones don't matter at all".
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 10:09:02 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 10:10:03 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 10:10:41 AM
lol
if only he had better game tape
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 10:15:03 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 10:24:58 AM
A pretty crazy time for a dude who is 286lbs.”
This guy was a sleeper, prob not anymore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 10:26:39 AM
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 10:35:02 AM
Post by: Gorilla on March 03, 2019, 11:09:20 AM
We already have a straight line receiver with elite speed, and a player being considered at #3 shouldn't require one of the fundamental parts of his role to be developed by the staff. Remember what happened last time we took a freak athlete who needed skills development with a high first round pick? He became one of the biggest busts in Jets history.
I don't buy the logic that says "these two particular amazing combine stats make him a must pick player, but these other terrible ones don't matter at all".
I do understand the concerns.
With a little to time to recover from yesterday’s Metcalf-high, i certainly admit that he poses a higher risk than a Bosa, Allen, or Quinnen. Its typically better to not gamble when you have a top 3 pick. But daaaaammn, if that gamble paid off, for Darnold and for this offense. An elite, size/speed #1 Wr is such an asset in the modern NFL.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 11:11:38 AM
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@LedyardNFLDraft: Jachai came in with a ton of added bad weight, looked sloppy, wasn’t explosive (1.71 10-yard), forgot to fake a hamstring injury before announcing he had one, and bailed on rest of Combine. Not great.
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 11:12:38 AM
thats a shame because even as a Noles fan I respected how this kid plays on the field. definitely not a good look
Post by: insanity on March 03, 2019, 11:50:48 AM
I do understand the concerns.
With a little to time to recover from yesterday’s Metcalf-high, i certainly admit that he poses a higher risk than a Bosa, Allen, or Quinnen. Its typically better to not gamble when you have a top 3 pick. But daaaaammn, if that gamble paid off, for Darnold and for this offense. An elite, size/speed #1 Wr is such an asset in the modern NFL.
For sure but what's the real drop off between metcalf and a guy like Hakeem butler?
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2019, 12:19:44 PM
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 12:22:25 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2019, 12:26:13 PM
wonder if he can hit 4.66 on his 2nd run
We’ll have to wait and see.
Devin Bush 4.44...
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 12:27:27 PM
We’ll have to wait and see.
Devin Bush 4.44...
anyone who needs a MLB is drooling
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2019, 12:38:16 PM
My god
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2019, 12:41:24 PM
wonder if he can hit 4.66 on his 2nd run4.64...mission accomplished
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2019, 12:44:04 PM
4.64...mission accomplished
that sounds about right
i expected 4.62 but yeah ill take it
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2019, 12:48:11 PM
Devin White....4.42
My god
Devin White is a converted RB...and a top 5 prospect on this class
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2019, 12:56:05 PM
Devin White is a converted RB...and a top 5 prospect on this classMy Giants buddy loves him...White is near the top of his board
Post by: Gorilla on March 03, 2019, 01:19:50 PM
Devin White is a converted RB...and a top 5 prospect on this class
As safe/high-floor as any player in the draft.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 03, 2019, 02:16:31 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 02:51:54 PM
Post by: reuben on March 03, 2019, 02:55:32 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2019, 03:34:16 PM
My Giants buddy loves him...White is near the top of his board
He better start preparing himself for a QB
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2019, 03:59:14 PM
He better start preparing himself for a QBI told him to prepare for a trade up to 3
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 04:42:18 PM
He better start preparing himself for a QB
Daniel Jones SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 04:42:49 PM
I told him to prepare for a trade up to 3
All of the Giants fans I know are dying to trade with us
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 07:30:08 PM
Metcalf also had excrement shuttle and 3-cone scores. 40 is gonna make him way overrated.
If we take him at 3, I will be annoyed.
Calvin Johnson never ran those drills at the combine because they were only going to hurt his stock. As far as I can tell, Hakeem Butler and Nkeal Harry skipped them too.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 07:31:45 PM
Randy Moss: 7.19
Tom Brady: 7.20
DK Metcalf: 7.38
What does this tell you? Absolutley nothing.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 07:36:31 PM
I would be more concerned about his route running. Haven’t watched enough of him to offer a concrete opinion.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 07:37:04 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2019, 07:40:15 PM
Also, apparently Josh Allen has the smallest hands in the history of mankind
Smallest average hand size for any defensive player is Shaquem Griffin.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2019, 08:07:06 PM
I would be more concerned about his route running. Haven’t watched enough of him to offer a concrete opinion.
Ole Miss didn't ask him to do too much, but he also doesn't have to do a lot to be incredibly impactful.
He's really good after the catch, elite in the redzone, and consistently wins as a vertical threat.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 08:23:15 PM
Ole Miss didn't ask him to do too much, but he also doesn't have to do a lot to be incredibly impactful.
He's really good after the catch, elite in the redzone, and consistently wins as a vertical threat.
That’s enough for me. Trade down and grab him would be ideal, but you risk Oakland or someone else taking him. I would be happy with him at 3 if that’s how things shake out. Darnold was making Terrelle Pryor look like a good player this year.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 03, 2019, 08:30:53 PM
Smallest average hand size for any defensive player is Shaquem Griffin.
YOU JACKASS
ILL KILL YOU
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2019, 10:03:55 PM
That’s enough for me. Trade down and grab him would be ideal, but you risk Oakland or someone else taking him. I would be happy with him at 3 if that’s how things shake out. Darnold was making Terrelle Pryor look like a good player this year.
We have to hope that Gruden is dumb enough to trade Derek Carr away.
The Jets need all of this stupid derriere teams to fight over these garbage QBs.
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2019, 10:48:16 PM
We have to hope that Gruden is dumb enough to trade Derek Carr away.Except that for every team trading a QB away, there's one fewer team needing a QB. Jacksonville are getting Foles, so they've no interest in a trade up. If Arizona or Oakland trade Rosen or Carr it's likely to the Giants, so there go two more candidates. It's nice that Arizona taking Murray would give us an extra option to select at #3, but none of this is helping us trade back and get a second round pick.
The Jets need all of this stupid derriere teams to fight over these garbage QBs.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2019, 11:44:03 PM
Except that for every team trading a QB away, there's one fewer team needing a QB. Jacksonville are getting Foles, so they've no interest in a trade up. If Arizona or Oakland trade Rosen or Carr it's likely to the Giants, so there go two more candidates. It's nice that Arizona taking Murray would give us an extra option to select at #3, but none of this is helping us trade back and get a second round pick.
It definitely helps us if Oakland trades Carr. They'll absolutely need a QB and someone will have to hop them in order to ensure they get their guy.
Washington desperately needs a QB. So does Miami (but we'd never make that trade). Cincinnati and Denver are in the market for a QB as well.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 04, 2019, 06:07:18 AM
Except that for every team trading a QB away, there's one fewer team needing a QB. Jacksonville are getting Foles, so they've no interest in a trade up. If Arizona or Oakland trade Rosen or Carr it's likely to the Giants, so there go two more candidates. It's nice that Arizona taking Murray would give us an extra option to select at #3, but none of this is helping us trade back and get a second round pick.
I wouldn’t be so sure about the Giants making the trade for Rosen over the Redskins. I’d bet Washington gives up #15 for Rosen, but I doubt the Giants give up #6. I could see them trading for Carr for that though.
The only QB trade that might happen before draft day is Rosen off the cards. Gruden would be astronomically stupid to trade Carr before he has his new guy in house. But I can see deals being in place the second Oakland makes their pick that he is moved.
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2019, 09:57:08 AM
1. Jawaan Taylor
2. DK Metcalf
3. Nick Bosa
4. Josh Allen
5. Quinnen Williams
I'm basing this on my perception of what our priorities should be..... protecting Sam, surrounding Sam with better weapons, our pass rush.
This will most likely change after seeing what we do in free agency. But for now, this is what i would like to happen if the draft were today.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 04, 2019, 11:26:37 AM
1) Bosa
2) Josh Allen
3) DK
4) Jawaan Taylor
5) Montez Sweat
6) Quinnen
Post by: Gorilla on March 04, 2019, 01:43:51 PM
Prefer trade back over every player except Bosa.
YES. Im on board with that.
1) Bosa
2) Allen
3) soooo tempted by Metcalf, but Quinnen Williams is so high-floor and can’t miss.
4) freak it, mang, the highest-ceiling offensive player in the draft, Donkey Kong Metcalf.
Eta: as MBG said, this is kind of contingent on what we do in free agncy soon (although im a huge disciple of strict BPA drafting).
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 04, 2019, 02:30:59 PM
Post by: insanity on March 04, 2019, 03:04:16 PM
Use the last 3rd rounder on an edge rusher that falls.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 04, 2019, 05:41:42 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 04, 2019, 07:22:31 PM
My ideal scenario is trading down with the giants and selecting Jawaan Taylor and using the 2nd rounder we receive in the trade to select a big receiver like hakeem butler. If we need to use a 3rd rounder to trade up, so be it.
Use the last 3rd rounder on an edge rusher that falls.
Third round pass rushers are a gamble. Premium positions require premium picks.
Post by: insanity on March 04, 2019, 08:36:05 PM
Third round pass rushers are a gamble. Premium positions require premium picks.So are third round left tackles. Give sam all the help he needs
Post by: Johnny English on March 04, 2019, 10:16:22 PM
So are third round left tackles. Give sam all the help he needsI agree. If only we had a whole bunch of free agency cash, and weren't spending our fictional second round pick on a receiver.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 05, 2019, 08:13:06 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/brettkollmann/status/1102799455516938240
Post by: Gorilla on March 05, 2019, 01:02:00 PM
The reasoning behind the TO/Marshall ceiling comps are based on the tape of Metcalf separating/winning by sheer strength and speed, physically dominating CBs, and not very reliant on any special quickness or agility. Owens and Marshall did the same, and it's translatable to the NFL game when you're as big, strong, and fast as DK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdwXwGTBeGk
Ftr, I'd draft the excrement out of a peak, young BMarsh or TO with the #3 haha.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 07, 2019, 11:09:00 PM
6-foot-3 and 3/8 and 228 pounds - with 1.6% body fat which is physically impossible
This is from Rap but I think his source has to be off.
“That measurement is Metcalf’s body fat percentage, which was reported at 1.6 percent. Which is, frankly, ridiculous.
Joe DeFranco, a personal trainer and gym owner who has trained many NFL players for the Combine, said on his podcast that there is simply no way that Metcalf or anyone else could possibly have 1.6 percent body fat.
“No, it’s not possible,” DeFranco said. “It’s why I’m shocked that the NFL put it out there.”
DeFranco said the 1.6 percent body fat was a mistaken measurement, and a person with body fat that low would be in danger of dying of malnutrition.
“You need at least 3 percent body fat for your organs to function,” he said. “If somebody’s body fat percentage legitimately dips under 2 percent, that’s not an impressive physique. That’s a medical emergency. Get that person to the hospital ASAP before they die. It’s not something we’re looking at and going, ‘Wow, how impressive.’ That person needs their life to be saved.”
Jeff Cavaliere, a physical therapist who has also trained NFL players, said on his YouTube channel that he also believes the measurement was in error and that Metcalf would be at serious risk of injuries if he were anywhere close to a 1.6 percent body fat.”
Post by: insanity on March 13, 2019, 08:18:20 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 17, 2019, 03:12:27 PM
Get the man on the Jets. 2020
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2019, 08:20:12 AM
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DE Jaylon Ferguson Pro Day results (from an NFL exec):
6046, 271
40: 4.82, 4.83
10: 1.69, 1.70
Bench: 24
VJ: 32
BJ: 9-9
SS: 5.12
3C: 8.08
RIP
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2019, 08:20:41 AM
Lmfao
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2019, 10:08:03 AM
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#Gators DE Jachai Polite getting his right quad/hamstring wrapped with ice. Looks like his day is done.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2019, 10:09:44 AM
Sloppyfat SZN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 28, 2019, 09:14:09 PM