Jet Offensive
New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 07:10:59 AM
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should be a gooder
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Forced anal, on the way.
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Forced anal, on the way.
Josh Allen's mustache is perfect for prison anal.
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One more step through the desert.
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The Jets are 11-point home underdogs against the Bills #nyj
I'm no gambler, but that looks like free money.
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The Jets are 11-point home underdogs against the Bills #nyj
I'm no gambler, but that looks like free money.
Is that all? I need to get my wager in before it starts to creep up.
NYJ are 0-6 ATS. Lay the points!
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Only 11? Back up the truck with that line.
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Average margin of defeat is now over 18 points per game. Jets are currently projected to finish the season with an NFL record negative points differential.
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Josh Allen's mustache is perfect for prison anal.
Not to mention hiding the stretch marks as well. :-o
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Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
Greg Gumbel and Rich Gannon have the call of Jets-Bills on CBS on Sunday. #nyj
4:17 PM · Oct 20, 2020
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are we gonna get any more vilma this year?
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are we gonna get any more vilma this year?
Vilma's for earners.
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are we gonna get any more vilma this year?
I think he's FOX, wasn't he on the 49ers game? We actually get FOX sometimes now outside of just home vs NFC, but not that often.
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Spread up to BUF -13.5
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Spread up to BUF -13.5
That line won’t get any higher will it?
I also think once it comes out Sam and Becton are back this weekend it might come back towards 12 so I’ll probably wait to jump in until later this week
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That line won’t get any higher will it?
I also think once it comes out Sam and Becton are back this weekend it might come back towards 12 so I’ll probably wait to jump in until later this week
I don't think so.
But TBH, I don't think 1.5 points will matter, bc I expect another blowout.
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I don't think so.
But TBH, I don't think 1.5 points will matter, bc I expect another blowout.
I do too. But If I can get the line at 11, I'd rather that than 13.5 just because.
Then again the Bills have not looked good the last couple weeks. I don't anticipate our offense is any good as their defense will play angry and make us look terrible (as we are), but the Bills offense will probably look a bit like Miami's, dominant at times, and just flat out failing to execute at others.
If the Bills only score 24, that 13.5 line is a bit scary, that's all I'm saying
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I think it's hilarious that jets game talk has been reduced to discussing betting lines. I'm not knocking it....but it's still pretty sad for us as a fanbase. I don't think it's ever been this bad in my 25 year tenure as a fan.
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I do too. But If I can get the line at 11, I'd rather that than 13.5 just because.
Then again the Bills have not looked good the last couple weeks. I don't anticipate our offense is any good as their defense will play angry and make us look terrible (as we are), but the Bills offense will probably look a bit like Miami's, dominant at times, and just flat out failing to execute at others.
If the Bills only score 24, that 13.5 line is a bit scary, that's all I'm saying
That's because they played two of the best teams in the AFC. They will rebound against us.
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I think it's hilarious that jets game talk has been reduced to discussing betting lines. I'm not knocking it....but it's still pretty sad for us as a fanbase. I don't think it's ever been this bad in my 25 year tenure as a fan.
I'm a little surprised how active the discussions have been. I guess it's like a train wreck that you can't look away from.
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I'm a little surprised how active the discussions have been. I guess it's like a train wreck that you can't look away from.
Watching Nascar for a crash, only we know for sure it's coming.
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I think it's hilarious that jets game talk has been reduced to discussing betting lines. I'm not knocking it....but it's still pretty sad for us as a fanbase. I don't think it's ever been this bad in my 25 year tenure as a fan.
It really is. I rarely ever bet on Jets games, but we are so incredibly pathetic this year, it's the only thing that makes the games interesting.
BETTING FUN FACTS
NYJ are 0-6 ATS
NYJ Total Points Scored have been UNDER in 5 out of 6 games
NYJ Points Scored in 1H have been UNDER in 5 out of 6 games
See a pattern? Good. Go make some $
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That's because they played two of the best teams in the AFC. They will rebound against us.
Oh I have no doubt they will beat us and it will be an ugly game.
I just could see some stupid derriere situation where Allen continues to miss some open throws. We get a random pick, perhaps one off of Pierre Desir's derriere this time. And then down 24-7 late in the 4th, Sam pulls some more garbage time magic out of his hat and Breshad Perriman gets a 50 yard TD with 45 seconds left and we lose 24-14.
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Darnold practicing on a limited basis today
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Gase said he thinks #Jets have a “chance,” barring setbacks, to have Mims/Crowder/Perriman on field for first time together on Sunday.
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Gase said he thinks #Jets have a “chance,” barring setbacks, to have Mims/Crowder/Perriman on field for first time together on Sunday.
HYPERDRIVE SZN
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HYPERDRIVE SZN
Greatest Show on Turf reboot
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Greatest Show on Turf reboot
That's what I'm talking about. 10-6 starts now!
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Gase said he thinks #Jets have a “chance,” barring setbacks, to have Mims/Crowder/Perriman on field for first time together on Sunday.
(https://i.ibb.co/s6xnvZ3/MOSHED-2020-10-21-13-56-32.gif)
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Looks like Sam is on track to play. No setbacks from yesterday. I personally wish they would sit him another week, but if he plays at least it'll be more interesting than watching Flacoo plod his slow derriere feet back to pass for 1 yard.
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This could be the healthiest the offense will have been all season, as long as Becton plays.
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This could be the healthiest the offense will have been all season, as long as Becton plays.
Wait till the 2 minute mark of the first quarter once they all go down with hamstring injuries.
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Mims will play, but they will not be targeting him with any passes because Gase doesn't want to stunt his growth.
#PerineProblemz
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cannot wait for the playcaller to say he found a hard time figuring out how to get mims/perine/herndon involved
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cannot wait for the playcaller to say he found a hard time figuring out how to get mims/perine/herndon involved
"Look, the problem is that I have to give Frank 15 carries a game, but Frank carrying the ball 3 yards at a time means that we don't get many first downs so as a result there are fewer offensive snaps, which in turn makes it harder to find a chance to give guys like Perine or Mims a touch. Honestly guys, I don't think you understand as much about this game as you think you do. That's why I'm here and I'm rich, and you're not."
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"Look, the problem is that I have to give Frank 15 carries a game, but Frank carrying the ball 3 yards at a time means that we don't get many first downs so as a result there are fewer offensive snaps, which in turn makes it harder to find a chance to give guys like Perine or Mims a touch. Honestly guys, I don't think you understand as much about this game as you think you do. That's why I'm here and I'm rich, and you're not."
That feels like it could actually be a word-for-word transcription from one of his postgame press conferences. I can even picture the head movements and eyerolls as he says it.
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If Sam is healthy enough to play, he needs to play.
He should be given every snap he's healthy enough to run the rest of the way. This team is going to have a major decision to make, and it will only be harder if they somehow fail at complete failure and aren't in the running for Lawrence.
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did gase ever say anything along the lines of 'at least i'm rich' in any of the post-game pressers?
i forget which game it was but it was a few weeks ago that i'd read on twitter he apparently said something like that after one of the really bad losses (i know they're all bad). i couldn't find the actual transcript/footage however
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did gase ever say anything along the lines of 'at least i'm rich' in any of the post-game pressers?
i forget which game it was but it was a few weeks ago that i'd read on twitter he apparently said something like that after one of the really bad losses (i know they're all bad). i couldn't find the actual transcript/footage however
Came from Manish, who no one ever believes until he turns out to have been right all along:
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-jets-fans-20191224-aqdwksbo5nditexjl65gvdb6ye-story.html
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I only want sam playing if mekhi is playing
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Adam Caplan
· Oct 21
#Jets WR Breshad Perriman now dealing with a knee issue in addition to ankle. He was limited in today's practice.
Robby Who?
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FVCKIN B1TCH
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Is he knee swelling up again?
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Is he knee swelling up again?
Probably not. He's getting $6.5M whether he plays or not and he's FA again in January. Why risk getting injured when it's clear that no one in this organization gives a freak any more? There are about six guys on the entire football staff, coaches and players, who are guaranteed to be here next season. He's not one of them.
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Probably not. He's getting $6.5M whether he plays or not and he's FA again in January. Why risk getting injured when it's clear that no one in this organization gives a freak any more? There are about six guys on the entire football staff, coaches and players, who are guaranteed to be here next season. He's not one of them.
I think his stock might be a little better if he comes back and plays relatively well and puts good reps on tape, compared to just sitting out the season. Couple million dollars might potentially be a good incentive to come back.
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I think his stock might be a little better if he comes back and plays relatively well and puts good reps on tape, compared to just sitting out the season. Couple million dollars might potentially be a good incentive to come back.
He roasted Byron Jones all day with 40 yards or whatever it was to show for it last week
https://twitter.com/lukegrant7/status/1317976653562142720?s=21
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All green this week.
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He roasted Byron Jones all day with 40 yards or whatever it was to show for it last week
https://twitter.com/lukegrant7/status/1317976653562142720?s=21
The part where he pulls up on that first route was at least partially on him.
IDK if he lost track of it or what.
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The part where he pulls up on that first route was at least partially on him.
IDK if he lost track of it or what.
Gase whined about this in the presser after the game
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All green this week.
Gumby loss, coming up.
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NFL Update
@MySportsUpdate
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#Jets’ QB Sam Darnold (shoulder) is expected to start Sunday vs. Buffalo, barring a setback in practice, per NFL Network.
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Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
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Tackle George Fant hurt his knee in practice yesterday. They will evaluate him before practice to see if he can go. Could be a game-time decision. #nyj
gaseEyeLasers.bmp
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Big Dick Edoga starting at RT during Sam's return
great
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Big Dick Edoga starting at RT during Sam's return
great
CHUMSZN
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
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Replying to
@RVacchianoSNY
Gase said Darnold "doesn't feel great, like he did in Week 1" but he hasn't seen any issues with his shoulder, like a lack of arm strength. He has been "trending in the right direction."
still doesn't feel great? SEND HIM BACK IN!!!
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NYJ Total Points Line:
1H O/U 7.5
Game O/U 16.5
How freaking pathetic
Leaning towards the under
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NYJ Total Points in 1H O/U 7.5
How freaking pathetic
Leaning towards the under
This is the type of thing though where if Sam Darnold is a good quarterback, we really should be scoring more than 8 points in a half, with or without Gase.
While Gase is awful, there have been plays left on the field by this offense. You could see it in the Perriman video that was tweeted out.
Also, this "we should be scoring more than 8 points in a half" point is moot if Crowder sits.
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If Darnold isn't 100% they should not let him play. This just shows the organization is not tied to him and they are asking him to prove he belongs here.
It's roster mismanagement at its finest.
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This is the type of thing though where if Sam Darnold is a good quarterback, we really should be scoring more than 8 points in a half, with or without Gase.
While Gase is awful, there have been plays left on the field by this offense. You could see it in the Perriman video that was tweeted out.
Also, this "we should be scoring more than 8 points in a half" point is moot if Crowder sits.
I disagree with this statement. Gase is the COVID of NFL coaches, and is so inept and toxic that he will impede anyone's ability to grow as shown by the myriad of players that have succeeded once they were able to escape his stupid derriere.
However, I do agree on your point re: Crowder
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If Darnold isn't 100% they should not let him play. This just shows the organization is not tied to him and they are asking him to prove he belongs here.
It's roster mismanagement at its finest.
That's why you know he's 100% playing
Coach and GM of the year.
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Darnold is playing because Gase knows he has no chance with Flacco. Dead coach trying to undead himself, health be damned.
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If Darnold isn't 100% they should not let him play. This just shows the organization is not tied to him and they are asking him to prove he belongs here.
It's roster mismanagement at its finest.
Buffalo is coming off 2 losses in a row. They're going to be out for blood. RIP Sam
Gase is an idiot.
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Darnold is playing because Gase knows he has no chance with Flacco. Dead coach trying to undead himself, health be damned.
Gase shouldn't be allowed to make that call. Joe Douglas needs to grow a pair and tell the coaching staff that Darnold shouldn't play until he's 100%.
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Gase shouldn't be allowed to make that call. Joe Douglas needs to grow a pair and tell the coaching staff that Darnold shouldn't play until he's 100%.
Douglas is probably allowing Gase to dig himself into a deeper hole at the cost of Sam's health. It's awful, but it might be part of Douglas building a case to have Gase fired.
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Douglas is probably allowing Gase to dig himself into a deeper hole at the cost of Sam's health. It's awful, but it might be part of Douglas building a case to have Gase fired.
Douglas and Darnold have a secret pact to play shitty on purpose.
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Douglas is probably allowing Gase to dig himself into a deeper hole at the cost of Sam's health. It's awful, but it might be part of Douglas building a case to have Gase fired.
That's inexcusable.
I'll defend Douglas all day when it comes to most of the moves he's made with the roster, but for him to just sit back and let cornerstone players enter games when they are hurt is awful work.
You can point fingers at Adam Gase all you want, but he's doing what any dead in the water coach would do. It's up to ownership and the front office to stop it at this point.
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They've done almost everything they can to protect Denzel Mims and his hamstrings. That tells me Joe Douglas is protecting his guys and letting everything else go.
It's garbage. He inherited every player on this roster, whether he wants to keep them or not.
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That's inexcusable.
I'll defend Douglas all day when it comes to most of the moves he's made with the roster, but for him to just sit back and let cornerstone players enter games when they are hurt is awful work.
You can point fingers at Adam Gase all you want, but he's doing what any dead in the water coach would do. It's up to ownership and the front office to stop it at this point.
Isn't this the problem with the current power structure, though? I don't know that Douglas has the authority to overrule Gase.
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Isn't this the problem with the current power structure, though? I don't know that Douglas has the authority to overrule Gase.
Then he can walk his fat derriere over to Christopher Johnson's office and ask him to overrule Gase.
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That's inexcusable.
I'll defend Douglas all day when it comes to most of the moves he's made with the roster, but for him to just sit back and let cornerstone players enter games when they are hurt is awful work.
You can point fingers at Adam Gase all you want, but he's doing what any dead in the water coach would do. It's up to ownership and the front office to stop it at this point.
I'm with you. But our ownership is retarded.
I also don't know how much authority Douglas really has over Gase. That stupid reporting dynamic muddles it up. Gase may not have to answer to Douglas regarding the starting roster.
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Isn't this the problem with the current power structure, though? I don't know that Douglas has the authority to overrule Gase.
Goddammit today is not my day
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Then he can walk his fat derriere over to Christopher Johnson's office and ask him to overrule Gase.
the fact that this option might exist is a glaring reason why this franchise is in shambles.
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They've done almost everything they can to protect Denzel Mims and his hamstrings. That tells me Joe Douglas is protecting his guys and letting everything else go.
It's garbage. He inherited every player on this roster, whether he wants to keep them or not.
He’s clearly not protecting Becton. i honestly think it’s been Gase’s call on all of the players seeing the field.
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I don't know how much we read into Sam's comments though. He says that there's nothing wrong with arm strength, he just doesn't feel as chipper as he did week 1. I guess we're at the point of the season where most players are starting to get a bit dinged up.
I do tend to agree with Heis, but it's a tough choice - I agree that Sam should be a cornerstone and should be protected, but at the same time if we're going to take the view that Sam has to prove himself and play us out of contention for Lawrence then he has to be on the field to do that.
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They've done almost everything they can to protect Denzel Mims and his hamstrings. That tells me Joe Douglas is protecting his guys and letting everything else go.
It's garbage. He inherited every player on this roster, whether he wants to keep them or not.
as was mentioned, we fucked up becton's 'comeback' monumentally as well. if he wasn't fit enough to start, he shouldn't be fit enough to play after the 4th play of the game
gase is making all the calls, so i'm not sure what the difference has been with mims (maybe gase felt the alternatives to mims were sufficient enough (LOL) to let him rest more, while the backup tackles/QBs we have are not very good). but i agree that this means that douglas needs to grow a pair and speak up.
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I don't know how much we read into Sam's comments though. He says that there's nothing wrong with arm strength, he just doesn't feel as chipper as he did week 1. I guess we're at the point of the season where most players are starting to get a bit dinged up.
I do tend to agree with Heis, but it's a tough choice - I agree that Sam should be a cornerstone and should be protected, but at the same time if we're going to take the view that Sam has to prove himself and play us out of contention for Lawrence then he has to be on the field to do that.
sam's the type of dude to say he's ready to go no matter what. it's what allowed the autist to bring him back in on a 3rd and short like the genius that he is
sam's probably at the point in his recovery that he might need one more week and where one more week would do a world for his health. honestly, he'll still have a stretch of games to show us what he's got, and if that's 10 vs 9 i don't think it'll ultimately change things in the long run
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From what I could gather, the injury is mostly a pain tolerance thing, and they don't think he's going to reinjure himself.
I would just trust whatever the doctors say. This shouldn't be a Gase or a Douglas thing. If the doctors think Darnold can play and not hurt himself, I'm fine with him getting shot up with painkillers and playing. If not, sit him.
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I would just trust whatever the doctors say.
I would not trust our team doctors
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If Sam goes out there and throws multiple picks, Gase will blame both the player and the injury. Double excuse.
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I've been very pro-Douglas, but if he's not pounding the table in the negative, much less actually on board and supportive with letting a less than 100% Sam, it's horrible judgment and a major thing to throw in the CON column along with Robby.
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The whole "can you go?" thing that coaches do with players is disgusting. Every competitor wants to be out there, but it should not be up to them.
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I would not trust our team doctors
This. Rhymes with Mets
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I would not trust our team doctors
That is fair. But I don't trust Gase. I don't trust Sam. I don't really trust anyone.
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That is fair. But I don't trust Gase. I don't trust Sam. I don't really trust anyone.
Do you trust god?
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Can the Jets just not play next year and spend the year getting excrement together?
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Do you trust god?
Why would a Jets fan ever trust god.
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I would not trust our team doctors
Me neither clearly they have proven incapable as well.
So then who the freak do you trust? Can’t trust Gase to do what’s best for the player. Can’t trust the player because he wants to be out there competing. Can’t trust the doctors because they’ve fucked up (routinely) in the past.
Obviously this stems from a multiple level problem
1. Gase is still in charge
2. Team doctors were left around given the disastrous amount of injuries the past few years that were mishandled.
3. We are freaking terrible and everyone is fighting for their jobs and the only way that happens is if the best players/the future are playing.
I personally want Sam and Becton to Sit until they are 100% but it doesn’t seem like that will happen
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Me neither clearly they have proven incapable as well.
So then who the freak do you trust? Can’t trust Gase to do what’s best for the player. Can’t trust the player because he wants to be out there competing. Can’t trust the doctors because they’ve fucked up (routinely) in the past.
Obviously this stems from a multiple level problem
1. Gase is still in charge
2. Team doctors were left around given the disastrous amount of injuries the past few years that were mishandled.
3. We are freaking terrible and everyone is fighting for their jobs and the only way that happens is if the best players/the future are playing.
1 and 3 are directly related obviously, but IMHO its why I'm extra critical of Douglas.
To the best of our knowledge, he's been given the green light beyond this year and shouldn't be doing anything that won't confer a long term benefit. He also should at this point have the power to go over Gase's head.
There's ways to be functional amidst dysfunction, but asking that out of this franchise is too much.
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I would not trust our team doctors
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I DON'T WANT YOUR LIFE!
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Why would a Jets fan ever trust god.
I stopped believing in god after the 1985 playoff game.
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Do you trust god?
User name checks out.
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Norman and Brown out
https://twitter.com/BuffaloBillsPR/status/1319704794408325121?s=19
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That's inexcusable.
I'll defend Douglas all day when it comes to most of the moves he's made with the roster, but for him to just sit back and let cornerstone players enter games when they are hurt is awful work.
You can point fingers at Adam Gase all you want, but he's doing what any dead in the water coach would do. It's up to ownership and the front office to stop it at this point.
I would not trust our team doctors
That these two things are still issues 1.5 years into Douglas' tenure would seem to be an indictment on his "culture-building" abilities. He should have control of this outside of the purview of Gase being trash and he hasn't done much to change it.
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I don't know what the process is for hiring and firing medical professionals on a football team but I'm not sure it is the easiest thing in the world.
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That these two things are still issues 1.5 years into Douglas' tenure would seem to be an indictment on his "culture-building" abilities. He should have control of this outside of the purview of Gase being trash and he hasn't done much to change it.
Say one word about Dr. Elliott Hershman and we're fighting at Applebee's
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I don't know what the process is for hiring and firing medical professionals on a football team but I'm not sure it is the easiest thing in the world.
The fact we've had some of the same guys for 20ish years backs this up
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The fact we've had some of the same guys for 20ish years backs this up
Wait, do we still have the stooge who doesn't believe in concussions?
Edit: upon further review, we no longer employ Dr. Elliot Pellman. So there's that.
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I can't believe that a high profile multi-million dollar organization employing elite level athletes and located next to one of the highest concentrations of top medical minds to be found anywhere in the world would have a particular difficulty finding good quality staff and consultants. I'm far more inclined to think that it's once more a symptom of the malaise, the miserable hiring practices and the old boys' network that seems to be determined to continue throttling the club to within an inch of its useful life.
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Given how the medical staff handled both Osemele and Mosley last season, I'd say we're overdue for a change regardless of how difficult the process may or may not be.
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pretty sure that 'team docs' more or less come from affiliations teams set up with certain hospital networks.
i don't know if this is true anymore but i know for certain that ~7-8 years ago NYG team doctors came from Hackensack University Medical Center which is located minutes before the GWB in north jersey.
if i had to make a guess, based on our florham park team HQ, i would imagine the NYJ team docs come from Morristown Medical Center. after that, physician assignment may be somewhat arbitrary i imagine, and possibly depends on a combo of physician interest/availability and allocation of the 'best docs' at the institution as able.
i don't necessarily think that means that the best docs at the institution get assigned to the team, and if they still limit doc choice by institution, it doesn't mean that we'd have the best docs in the tri-state area.
of course, for serious and/or high-stake injuries, teams will always go out and search for expert opinion even if it means going elsewhere, and for good reason. it's why guys like james andrews kill it
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No good docs, they will ruin the tank.
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if i had to make a guess, based on our florham park team HQ, i would imagine the NYJ team docs come from Morristown Medical Center. after that, physician assignment may be somewhat arbitrary i imagine, and possibly depends on a combo of physician interest/availability and allocation of the 'best docs' at the institution as able.
This makes the most sense. Atlantic Health is a big sponsor during the Jets radio pre/post game, and that is Morristown Memorial.
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There is a negative 900000% chance Mims finishes this game healthy.
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There is a negative 900000% chance Mims finishes this game healthy.
We're playing Buffalo, we should activate Stephen Hill.
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pretty sure that 'team docs' more or less come from affiliations teams set up with certain hospital networks.
i don't know if this is true anymore but i know for certain that ~7-8 years ago NYG team doctors came from Hackensack University Medical Center which is located minutes before the GWB in north jersey.
if i had to make a guess, based on our florham park team HQ, i would imagine the NYJ team docs come from Morristown Medical Center. after that, physician assignment may be somewhat arbitrary i imagine, and possibly depends on a combo of physician interest/availability and allocation of the 'best docs' at the institution as able.
i don't necessarily think that means that the best docs at the institution get assigned to the team, and if they still limit doc choice by institution, it doesn't mean that we'd have the best docs in the tri-state area.
of course, for serious and/or high-stake injuries, teams will always go out and search for expert opinion even if it means going elsewhere, and for good reason. it's why guys like james andrews kill it
This makes the most sense. Atlantic Health is a big sponsor during the Jets radio pre/post game, and that is Morristown Memorial.
So in other words, we get whatever doctors are available and feel like doing it from whatever healthcare group is paying the most in sponsorship fees. That sounds like a great way to run a professional sports franchise.
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So in other words, we get whatever doctors are available and feel like doing it from whatever healthcare group is paying the most in sponsorship fees. That sounds like a great way to run a professional sports franchise.
If i had to guess, a lot of teams probably have the same setup. swordz is a doctor, he might know.
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pretty sure that 'team docs' more or less come from affiliations teams set up with certain hospital networks.
i don't know if this is true anymore but i know for certain that ~7-8 years ago NYG team doctors came from Hackensack University Medical Center which is located minutes before the GWB in north jersey.
if i had to make a guess, based on our florham park team HQ, i would imagine the NYJ team docs come from Morristown Medical Center. after that, physician assignment may be somewhat arbitrary i imagine, and possibly depends on a combo of physician interest/availability and allocation of the 'best docs' at the institution as able.
i don't necessarily think that means that the best docs at the institution get assigned to the team, and if they still limit doc choice by institution, it doesn't mean that we'd have the best docs in the tri-state area.
of course, for serious and/or high-stake injuries, teams will always go out and search for expert opinion even if it means going elsewhere, and for good reason. it's why guys like james andrews kill it
There's the input we needed, thanks.
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again, this is was all just conjecture based off a setup i'd seen with the giants in the past, but after a quick google search it does seem like atlantic health/morristown is the healthcare network that supplies the jets with their team doctors
https://www.atlantichealth.org/about-us/partnerships/ny-jets-partnership.html
i can imagine that, in order to uphold their end of the agreement, morristown would feel inclined to send the 'best' they have to take care of the team, but i'm sure there are instances where that just isn't possible.
and again, the team can and will look outside this relationship to get expert opinion and consultation as needed. i just wanted to clarify that just because we are an NYC team with such institutional giants of notable repute such as NYP-Columbia, NYP-Cornell, Mount Sinai, NYU etc etc all located on the island of Manhattan, that it doesn't necessarily mean those doctors will be taking care of the team
EDIT: i'm sure you will find similar setups with most/all other teams. i guess it just depends on who/how/why teams align with certain institutions and will differ on location. for example i'm pretty certain that ucla medical center takes care of the lakers as i see their logos all over lakers press conferences. but then again we can say there is a little bit of a difference between a place like ucla and a place like morristown (and i say this in the least disrespectful way possible, but one is an academic giant known nation-wide and the other is a community network that is very well-off but is only known locally)
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again, this is was all just conjecture based off a setup i'd seen with the giants in the past, but after a quick google search it does seem like atlantic health/morristown is the healthcare network that supplies the jets with their team doctors
https://www.atlantichealth.org/about-us/partnerships/ny-jets-partnership.html
i can imagine that, in order to uphold their end of the agreement, morristown would feel inclined to send the 'best' they have to take care of the team, but i'm sure there are instances where that just isn't possible.
and again, the team can and will look outside this relationship to get expert opinion and consultation as needed. i just wanted to clarify that just because we are an NYC team with such institutional giants of notable repute such as NYP-Columbia, NYP-Cornell, Mount Sinai, NYU etc etc all located on the island of Manhattan, that it doesn't necessarily mean those doctors will be taking care of the team
But why? Is there any reason that the Jets couldn't decide "actually, making sure that the players have the very best medical care money can buy at every level is more important than locking ourselves into this one contract"? It sounds like a process focused on commercial outcomes more than football or medical ones.
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But why? Is there any reason that the Jets couldn't decide "actually, making sure that the players have the very best medical care money can buy at every level is more important than locking ourselves into this one contract"? It sounds like a process focused on commercial outcomes more than football or medical ones.
honestly i am not sure, but it likely has to do with finances and with location.
for example, i feel like the affiliation that would have made most sense for the jets would have been robert wood johnson university hospital, given its obvious ties to the Johnson family. RWJ is at the very least an academic university hospital that is well-known regionally and likely throughout the country as well. however, RWJUH is part of a completely different healthcare network, and is also located further away from florham park in central jersey than is morristown
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Tons of money coming in on the Jets. Line has moved from 13 to 10. Big bettor took the Jets.
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Tons of money coming in on the Jets. Line has moved from 13 to 10. Big bettor took the Jets.
That's what I was waiting for.
I also think it's now out there Sam is playing Mekhi is playing and the BIlls have not been good. Plus 13 is just a huge line in the nfl.
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This makes the most sense. Atlantic Health is a big sponsor during the Jets radio pre/post game, and that is Morristown Memorial.
Thanks for making that connection, I was about to chime in re: the sponsorship. The training facility is named after them.
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I can't believe that a high profile multi-million dollar organization employing elite level athletes and located next to one of the highest concentrations of top medical minds to be found anywhere in the world would have a particular difficulty finding good quality staff and consultants. I'm far more inclined to think that it's once more a symptom of the malaise, the miserable hiring practices and the old boys' network that seems to be determined to continue throttling the club to within an inch of its useful life.
They should just hire Hugh Laurie to play Dr. House. Just walking around the team facility insulting people and popping Vicodin.
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They should just hire Hugh Laurie to play Dr. House. Just walking around the team facility insulting people and popping Vicodin.
That's basically Gase.
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That's basically Gase.
Except House is actually an offensive genius
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Except House is actually an offensive genius
OK that was good.
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Somehow this has been overlooked
Sam ficken will not play tomorrow
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Somehow this has been overlooked
Sam ficken will not play tomorrow
We might not need him.
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Let Becton kick FGs
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as was mentioned, we fucked up becton's 'comeback' monumentally as well. if he wasn't fit enough to start, he shouldn't be fit enough to play after the 4th play of the game
gase is making all the calls, so i'm not sure what the difference has been with mims (maybe gase felt the alternatives to mims were sufficient enough (LOL) to let him rest more, while the backup tackles/QBs we have are not very good). but i agree that this means that douglas needs to grow a pair and speak up.
What's this "we" excrement? That was Gase being Gase.
Hamstrings for runners are pretty cut an dry, if you don't let them heal, good luck. They almost always happen in the beginning of camp or the season. SO I understand the Mims thing.
That said if an offensive lineman gets a bad shoulder that's the single worst injury for them, even worse than knee injuries, it's the death knell for them. The FO understands this I hope, if they don't they're freaking idiots and should be summarily executed.
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pretty sure that 'team docs' more or less come from affiliations teams set up with certain hospital networks.
i don't know if this is true anymore but i know for certain that ~7-8 years ago NYG team doctors came from Hackensack University Medical Center which is located minutes before the GWB in north jersey.
if i had to make a guess, based on our florham park team HQ, i would imagine the NYJ team docs come from Morristown Medical Center. after that, physician assignment may be somewhat arbitrary i imagine, and possibly depends on a combo of physician interest/availability and allocation of the 'best docs' at the institution as able.
i don't necessarily think that means that the best docs at the institution get assigned to the team, and if they still limit doc choice by institution, it doesn't mean that we'd have the best docs in the tri-state area.
of course, for serious and/or high-stake injuries, teams will always go out and search for expert opinion even if it means going elsewhere, and for good reason. it's why guys like james andrews kill it
Team docs are very dependent on the organization and the sport. Some teams charge for the right to be affiliated, some pick the Dr based on skill and some are picked through who they know, while others are how you said. It really does vary and sometimes even thougfh they're a "team" Dr, they're not the Dr used for surgery or many procedures that would take place during the year. It's really kind of wierd. I do personally know 1 team Doc, for an NHL team.
I know the Jets DR's in the past were not picked on skill, that much is evident by the Jets team "physician" being a concussion denier and the NFL's pointman on how head injuries were no big deal. A statement that was shown to be pure unadulterated horseshit. That jackass Pellman ran a completely fabricated study and somehow had an NFL job until 2016. Here's an article one of a 1000 on how this guy is a quack:
https://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/20/12239202/nfl-concussions-cte-elliot-pellman (https://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/20/12239202/nfl-concussions-cte-elliot-pellman)
Let this sink in to how the Jets are run by Woodrow, an heir to a pharmaceutical fortune, it's almost too funny to think about:
"Players who are concussed and return to the same game have fewer initial signs and symptoms than those removed from play. Return to play does not involve a significant risk of a second injury either in the same game or during the season."
That was part of the Jets team Dr's philosophy on head injuries.......probably why Al Toon and Wayne Chrebet eat pureed peas.
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We might not need him.
Ficken is our entire offense.
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Puck For Jets Team Doctor!
"Looks like an ACL tear. Get me the duct tape!"
"Concussion? Weren't you wearing a helmet you poopchute?!?!"
"Looks like his eye fell out. Glue! Now!"
"Listen lover of the older lady, That rib'll be buttoned up better than Hope Solo's wizard sleeve once I hit it with the nail gun. Quit crying bitch."
"Liability insurance is for pussies!"
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Puck For Jets Team Doctor!
"Looks like an ACL tear. Get me the duct tape!"
"Concussion? Weren't you wearing a helmet you poopchute?!?!"
"Looks like his eye fell out. Glue! Now!"
"Listen lover of the older lady, That rib'll be buttoned up better than Hope Solo's wizard sleeve once I hit it with the nail gun. Quit crying bitch."
"Liability insurance is for pussies!"
You can be the Jets DR quicker than I could...... You could reach into Adam Gase's poopchute with one of th3e cow condoms you used on MB at the Anchor.
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Somehow this has been overlooked
Sam ficken will not play tomorrow
Next Mann up!
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You can be the Jets DR quicker than I could...... You could reach into Adam Gase's poopchute with one of th3e cow condoms you used on MB at the Anchor.
Those are for special occasions.
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We might not need him.
Honestly I was contemplating this morning if we needed one.
As an 0-6 team and a coach fighting for their lives, if mann can do kick offs why go for any field goals at all?
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If Darnold isn't 100% they should not let him play. This just shows the organization is not tied to him and they are asking him to prove he belongs here.
It's roster mismanagement at its finest.
This
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Douglas is probably allowing Gase to dig himself into a deeper hole at the cost of Sam's health. It's awful, but it might be part of Douglas building a case to have Gase fired.
Gase should be forced to dig his hole with Joe Flacco. Zero reason to drag Sam into it
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Gase should be forced to dig his hole with Wesco-cat. Zero reason to drag Sam into it
Fyp
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Looks like Crowder is out. Tank is still on.
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Bills are decimated with injuries and dirty covid, apparently their 3 starting corners and 3 best linebackers are all out or carrying injuries. I have hope that we might actually have a fighting chance in this game.
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Bills are decimated with injuries and dirty covid, apparently their 3 starting corners and 3 best linebackers are all out or carrying injuries. I have hope that we might actually have a fighting chance in this game.
Stop rooting for your team to win! What is wrong with you?
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Stop rooting for your team to win! What is wrong with you?
Apart from my already clearly stated position on the #1 pick, I don't have it in me to root for them to lose no matter what the perceived benefit might be. Cheering for defeat for a team you support seems antithetical to everything about being a sports fan. About the closest I can come is rationalising defeat after the fact if there's a compensatory benefit.
Also I freaking hate the Bills and their dickhead fans.
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Stop rooting for your team to win! What is wrong with you?
JE has a taste for losing and clearly wants it to continue into next season
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Coaching today, so I'll hear the second half on radio.
I might go all radio the rest of the year just to annoy Heisenberg.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Fascinating:
In the Super Bowl era, the Bills are 12-0 against teams 0-6 or worse, per @ESPNStatsInfo
. They have the most wins without a loss against 0-6 or worse in that time. #BUFvsNYJ
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Coaching today, so I'll hear the second half on radio.
I might go all radio the rest of the year just to annoy Heisenberg.
Wish I could hear Bob call the game.
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Fascinating:
In the Super Bowl era, the Bills are 12-0 against teams 0-6 or worse, per @ESPNStatsInfo
. They have the most wins without a loss against 0-6 or worse in that time. #BUFvsNYJ
I mean, who doesn't usually beat 0-6 teams? Like saying that 100% of hooters get stared at in titty bars.
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I mean, who doesn't usually beat 0-6 teams? Like saying that 100% of hooters get stared at in titty bars.
Apparently, the Bills are the best at it.
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Wish I could hear Bob call the game.
If you have Sirius/XM get the app, every team in every sport has their own channel. Pre and post game you can get NY 98.7 on IHeartRadio.
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I mean, who doesn't usually beat 0-6 teams? Like saying that 100% of hooters get stared at in titty bars.
Anyone can beat 0-6 teams. It's 0-7 and 0-11 teams that are the real challenge.
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Anyone can beat 0-6 teams. It's 0-7 and 0-11 teams that are the real challenge.
doesn't matter when you finish with a super impressive 6-2 run.
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In 1996 we entered the home Buffalo game 0-7, also during the World Series. I was at that game, we almost won. That night the Yankees won to begin their comeback from down 0-2 to Atlanta.
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Apart from my already clearly stated position on the #1 pick, I don't have it in me to root for them to lose no matter what the perceived benefit might be. Cheering for defeat for a team you support seems antithetical to everything about being a sports fan. About the closest I can come is rationalising defeat after the fact if there's a compensatory benefit.
Also I freaking hate the Bills and their dickhead fans.
+1
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Bills fans are dickheads.
Getting the #1 overall would be best at this point.
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I'll probably change my prediction 12 times, but I think the Jets might keep this one a game today. Bills have a lot of players out. If the Jets can stop the run and keep Becton and Darnold upright, they have a puncher's chance. I don't think Mims factors in at all. Expecting a low score.
Jets- 13
Bills 17
Of course if Gase keeps it uber conservative, again, we're fucked. Jets need to take shots downfield today.
Come to think of it, Gase will be conservative.
Jets- 10
Bills- 24
Oh, and at least 1 lineman will go down in the first quarter.
Jets- 6
Bills- 30
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Jets have excellent speed at wideout today. Mims, Vycyntytttt, Perriman. Sounds like a perfect time to.....run 1 yard bubble screens.
Berrios will play well in the slot. I think he's underrated. Poor dude plays the only position the Jets have a top starter at already.
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Even though I don't think he'll do much, I'm stoked to see Mims out there, see if he makes a few plays.
Tre White is active. Ugh. At least we don't have to watch Flacco's slow derriere out there.
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Can't wait to keep forcing passes to Jeff Smith.
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Can't wait to keep forcing passes to Jeff Smith.
Better than Gore 2 yard dives
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Game thread open