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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
« Reply #90 on: October 20, 2019, 07:10:15 PM »
That's not to say they didn't try, but I don't believe they changed the outcome of the election, and we should obviously take steps to minimize foreign interference in future elections.

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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
« Reply #91 on: October 20, 2019, 07:56:37 PM »
I never understood that whole “Russia influenced the election using social media!” stance. Half the stuff I already see on social media is retards spamming political nonsense.

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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
« Reply #92 on: October 21, 2019, 04:12:05 AM »
I think that Russia tried to tamper with our election to get Trump elected for a variety of reasons. I think Trump was more than willing to accept that because he doesn't really give a excrement, he just wanted to win. He basically admitted as much for this election.

I think the margin of error for the last election was thin enough where you can make a case that it didn't take much to swing an election. I don't think that would be enough to change it by itself, but it could be one of a number of factors.

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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
« Reply #94 on: October 21, 2019, 03:41:58 PM »
That's not to say they didn't try, but I don't believe they changed the outcome of the election, and we should obviously take steps to minimize foreign interference in future elections.
I think that Russia tried to tamper with our election to get Trump elected for a variety of reasons. I think Trump was more than willing to accept that because he doesn't really give a excrement, he just wanted to win. He basically admitted as much for this election.

I think the margin of error for the last election was thin enough where you can make a case that it didn't take much to swing an election. I don't think that would be enough to change it by itself, but it could be one of a number of factors.

Here’s my question: say Russia did interfere with our election and got Trump elected. What have they gotten out of it? I really don’t see how anything substantial with Russia has changed in the past few years.

That’s why it’s such a non story for me. Obviously it’s bad if foreign entities interfere with our elections, but the constant talking points that Trump is a Russian asset or that Russia has somehow masterminded control of our country are just wild conspiracy theories.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
« Reply #95 on: October 21, 2019, 03:51:49 PM »
Here’s my question: say Russia did interfere with our election and got Trump elected. What have they gotten out of it? I really don’t see how anything substantial with Russia has changed in the past few years.

Um.... you've seen this whole Syria thing that's going on right now, yes?

The destabilisation of Western governments (it's not just the US) and the damaging of diplomatic and trading links between countries is to their significant advantage.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
« Reply #96 on: October 21, 2019, 03:58:09 PM »
Here’s my question: say Russia did interfere with our election and got Trump elected. What have they gotten out of it? I really don’t see how anything substantial with Russia has changed in the past few years.

That’s why it’s such a non story for me. Obviously it’s bad if foreign entities interfere with our elections, but the constant talking points that Trump is a Russian asset or that Russia has somehow masterminded control of our country are just wild conspiracy theories.

For me, it's not about the idea that Trump is just Putin's puppet and we're being secretly controlled by the Kremlin. Certainly, I can't speak for everyone, but my problem is that Trump is clearly soft on things like Russia's increasing aggressiveness towards places like Ukraine. And Trump's anti-NATO stance plays right into Putin's desires.

There's also the idea that helping Trump be elected would lead to economic instability, as is the believed intention of Russian interference leading to Brexit. Obviously, we've yet to see the economies of the US or UK collapse, but it's another item to consider, albeit more conspiracy theoretical than the above.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
« Reply #97 on: October 21, 2019, 04:04:28 PM »
Um.... you've seen this whole Syria thing that's going on right now, yes?

The destabilisation of Western governments (it's not just the US) and the damaging of diplomatic and trading links between countries is to their significant advantage.
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For me, it's not about the idea that Trump is just Putin's puppet and we're being secretly controlled by the Kremlin. Certainly, I can't speak for everyone, but my problem is that Trump is clearly soft on things like Russia's increasing aggressiveness towards places like Ukraine. And Trump's anti-NATO stance plays right into Putin's desires.

There's also the idea that helping Trump be elected would lead to economic instability, as is the believed intention of Russian interference leading to Brexit. Obviously, we've yet to see the economies of the US or UK collapse, but it's another item to consider, albeit more conspiracy theoretical than the above.
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Not to mention, Trump is asking Ukraine for help with dirt on Biden in exchange for missiles to help defend them. Who is Ukraine defending itself against? Russia!

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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
« Reply #98 on: October 21, 2019, 05:45:07 PM »
The idea that some Russian guys may or may not have posted a handful of memes on Facebook that were pro-Trump made me start shaking and crying

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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
« Reply #99 on: October 21, 2019, 06:10:41 PM »
Um.... you've seen this whole Syria thing that's going on right now, yes?

The destabilisation of Western governments (it's not just the US) and the damaging of diplomatic and trading links between countries is to their significant advantage.

I haven’t followed that very closely. Not really sure why we’re involved to begin with.

So trump being elected is like when I used to destabilize the board at TGG
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
« Reply #100 on: October 21, 2019, 09:53:17 PM »
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
« Reply #101 on: October 23, 2019, 11:55:15 AM »

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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
« Reply #102 on: October 23, 2019, 10:03:31 PM »
Here’s my question: say Russia did interfere with our election and got Trump elected. What have they gotten out of it? I really don’t see how anything substantial with Russia has changed in the past few years.

That’s why it’s such a non story for me. Obviously it’s bad if foreign entities interfere with our elections, but the constant talking points that Trump is a Russian asset or that Russia has somehow masterminded control of our country are just wild conspiracy theories.

I don't buy the whole Russia thing. But getting a freaking idiot elected as leader of a very powerful country could benefit from the loss of their power and credibility.

I mean imagine if we got someone elected in China that would unite the world against them. The US would gain power simply from China losing it

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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
« Reply #103 on: November 01, 2019, 04:47:06 PM »
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary
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