New Year’s Six - Bowl Games

[SixFeetDeep]

When you're talking about draft stock then you're comparing every player with every other player at the position. Insanity's point is pretty reasonable, IMO - people are talking about Mayfield's rising stock and questions about Darnold's performance this season, it makes sense to question who is actually ready for the NFL.

I don’t really see it that way, to me the 2 clear cut best prospects are Rosen and Darnold. Then it’s a discussion of who you like best out of Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen.

Is it possible an NFL team has Allen or Mayfield rated higher? Of course, but I’m not ready to do that with Mayfield yet and I don’t think I’ll change my mind.

[SixFeetDeep]

Some QBs in the NFL that came out of collegiate "spread" systems that people say don't translate:

Goff
Derek Carr
Mariota
Dak
Brees
Cam
Deshaun Watson

[Johnny English]

I don’t really see it that way, to me the 2 clear cut best prospects are Rosen and Darnold. Then it’s a discussion of who you like best out of Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen.

Is it possible an NFL team has Allen or Mayfield rated higher? Of course, but I’m not ready to do that with Mayfield yet and I don’t think I’ll change my mind.

That's fair, but I also think that insanity's point about Mayfield being a project (albeit not on the Christian Hackenberg scale) is reasonable, because there's been so much hype about him this season that it seems possible that a team is actually going to take that leap.

I wonder if there's any truth to the story that's been going round for a few days that Dorsey is in love with Josh Allen. I do recall someone reporting that Maccagnan was a big fan of his as well, so maybe there's smoke there.

[SixFeetDeep]

Rodrigo Blankenship is an elite prospect

[Johnny English]

Some QBs in the NFL that came out of collegiate "spread" systems that people say don't translate:

Goff
Derek Carr
Mariota
Dak
Brees
Cam
Deshaun Watson

[SixFeetDeep]

Yah but everyone knows WVU QBs never succeed in the NFL.

/sg3 mode overruled

[Derek Smalls]

Can we get Baker Mayfield and Lincoln Riley together?

[bojanglesman]

Blankenship looks like fat Johnny Depp.

Also get Geno off my screen.

[Fenwyr]

you weren't sure.

Never said I was.  That's why I asked about him weeks ago.  Never got an answer so I did the research myself.  Got eat some ketchup.

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[bojanglesman]

https://twitter.com/iGotHerDeeDupRT/status/947980997664141318

[insanity]

Awful post yet again, no one is comparing Darnold to Mayfield

But, I am. 

Darnold is currently seen as a top 5 pick, most likely to CLE or NYG. 
People are saying Mayfield should be top 10 and possibly top 5.
I don't understand how these players could picked so closely in the draft but have such different skill levels. and I'm asking for someone to explain why they think he should go in a comparable spot to Darnold in the draft.

When I've watched Baker play over the last two years
I see
  Leadership
  Poise in the pocket
  Maneuverability in the pocket
  Playmaking
  Tenacity

But I don't see
  Tight window throws
  Throwing the reciever open
  Making pre-snap reads
  10-15 yard timing routes

These things can be learned in the NFL, but take time.  Which would make me think he doesn't deserve to go that high

Isn't this just another hype train based on personality or am I missing something?

[Fenwyr]

Only in college football do you score 31 points in the first half and still have to watch your back.

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[insanity]

I think most, if not all would prefer Darnold, but obviously its not realistic at this point to believe he is even an option. Not sure why that comparison was brought up.

Mayfield may not have to throw into extremely tight windows constantly, but the majority of his throws are incredibly accurate to make you believe he has that capability. He has flaws for sure, but he has improved every year and presents a lot of positive qualities that you can build an offense around.

With the way NFL teams are incorporating spread offenses, with the right coach (and I believe Morton is that coach for us) I think he can be put in a position to be productive early on while he works on footwork, mechanics and the mental game.

The west coast offense is based on timing and accuracy.  It's completely different than the spread offense.

[Fenwyr]

But, I am. 

Darnold is currently seen as a top 5 pick, most likely to CLE or NYG. 
People are saying Mayfield should be top 10 and possibly top 5.
I don't understand how these players could picked so closely in the draft but have such different skill levels. and I'm asking for someone to explain why they think he should go in a comparable spot to Darnold in the draft.

When I've watched Baker play over the last two years
I see
  Leadership
  Poise in the pocket
  Maneuverability in the pocket
  Playmaking
  Tenacity

But I don't see
  Tight window throws
  Throwing the reciever open
  Making pre-snap reads
  10-15 yard timing routes

These things can be learned in the NFL, but take time.  Which would make me think he doesn't deserve to go that high

Isn't this just another hype train based on personality or am I missing something?

I've seen all of that in this game alone.  He punked the entire secondary to the left and came back to the right for a big play.  His reads and progressions have been spot on.

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[insanity]

I don’t really see it that way, to me the 2 clear cut best prospects are Rosen and Darnold. Then it’s a discussion of who you like best out of Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen.

That's fine but peoole are talking about Mayfield going 1,2, or 3 picks after Darnold so there should be a conversation in terms of how they compare.

If you don't think there should even be a conversation about how Mayfield stacks up against Darnold doesn't that prove the point that he doesn't deserve to go that high?