Game of Thrones

[AlioTheFool]

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[AlioTheFool]

Or be so mad at the original series that they refuse to even watch the prequel series but end up watching it anyway because their wives want to.

Basically.

Actually, though, I don't know this time. My wife was like those here who were cool with the way things were going up till the finale. She was madder Sunday than I was. I guess because I wasn't even mad, I just laughed at most of the episode.

[Gorilla]

https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/br2t0z/this_video_of_an_alternate_ending_wins_the/

turn the volume up

As a child of the 80's who recognizes that song as the Best Jam of the Decade, I approve.

So my 2 cents of the finale and the season:
Season 1-6 were as good as television gets , imo. My favorite show of all time is Breaking Bad, and after GoT's first 6 seasons I was thinking, "daaaamn, is this show going to surpass BB as the best ever?"

However, season 7 and (far more egregious) season8 basically fucked that up. I have the same major complaints as most...it was all RUSHED. 20+ episodes shittilly condensed into 13. I agree with SFD in that I don't necessarily disagree with the ending of character arcs or decisions made....it was the suddenness and timing of everything.
First 6 season were the apex of TV. It was like Sopranos meets House of Cards meets dragons and castles and excrement. Season 7 and then especially final season it suddenly switched to like the cheesy DC Universe or something. They insisted on cramming 2 and 3 episodes into a half hour. Total disservice to the groundbreaking genius of the previous seasons.

The good news is Breaking Bad continues to reign supreme as the Greatest Show Ever, imo. And no, I still haven't seen The Wire or Deadwood in their entirety, because Im lame.

[Johnny English]

So my 2 cents of the finale and the season:
Season 1-6 were as good as television gets , imo. My favorite show of all time is Breaking Bad, and after GoT's first 6 seasons I was thinking, "daaaamn, is this show going to surpass BB as the best ever?"

Season 5 was where it all went wrong, the storyline with Arya was mindbendingly freaking tedious and they spent way too long following Stannis whose story was dull and ultimately pointless.

[Derek Smalls]

Everyone who posted in this thread and watched the show will give the prequel a chance. Let's be serious.

Even as poor as the writing was down the stretch, we'll all give the new show a shot.

And for as poor as the writing was, it still was a visually stunning show. Down the stretch, you needed to ignore some plot holes in order to get full enjoyment, but it was still entertaining. I hated the way they did the Dany heel turn, but it was still gripping television, even if I was rolling my eyes.

[Miamipuck]

Everyone who posted in this thread and watched the show will give the prequel a chance. Let's be serious.

Even as poor as the writing was down the stretch, we'll all give the new show a shot.

And for as poor as the writing was, it still was a visually stunning show. Down the stretch, you needed to ignore some plot holes in order to get full enjoyment, but it was still entertaining. I hated the way they did the Dany heel turn, but it was still gripping television, even if I was rolling my eyes.

Can't really disagree with any point here.

[reuben]

Season 5 was where it all went wrong, the storyline with Arya was mindbendingly freaking tedious and they spent way too long following Stannis whose story was dull and ultimately pointless.

Season 5 was just straight misery porn.

Mance Rayder burns.  Sons of the Harpy.  Faith Militant.  Selmy dies.  Jorah's greyscale.  freaking Dorne.  Sansa raped.  Hardhome.  Shireen burns.  Cersei's walk.  Arya's blind.  John's dead.   
It was when it first started to show that Benioff and Weiss maybe kinda sorta despised all these characters and would do horrible things to them if they couldn't think of interesting things for them.   

[MBGreen]

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/game-of-thrones/hbo-chief-crushes-fans-hopes-by-confirming-there-will-be-no-game-of-thrones-arya-stark-spinoff/ar-AABIVDB?ocid=ientp


Hopefully the idiots on the internet will shut up now.

[AlioTheFool]

I saw the point made yesterday that the reality of the ending is that Tyrion is actually who won. The power behind the throne is more important than the person sitting on it. That makes me a little happier about the way it played out, but still, it doesn't excuse the terrible writing.

I have to disagree with the idea that the visuals were enough to forgive the plot holes. It really goes beyond plot holes too. It was the clearly rushed stories. Everything that happened should have happened more slowly--that was the key to the early success of the show. I used to complain about "filler" episodes until I had to walk it back when those slow-burn scenes played out to a grand conclusion.

[MBGreen]

I saw the point made yesterday that the reality of the ending is that Tyrion is actually who won. The power behind the throne is more important than the person sitting on it. That makes me a little happier about the way it played out, but still, it doesn't excuse the terrible writing.

I have to disagree with the idea that the visuals were enough to forgive the plot holes. It really goes beyond plot holes too. It was the clearly rushed stories. Everything that happened should have happened more slowly--that was the key to the early success of the show. I used to complain about "filler" episodes until I had to walk it back when those slow-burn scenes played out to a grand conclusion.

I'm pretty sure if the writers granted your every wish, you would've found something else to bitch about.

[Badger]

My coworkers have the absolute worst takes on why they don't like the ending.

"Jon Snow should have just agreed with Dany so they could reign together"

wat

[MBGreen]

My coworkers have the absolute worst takes on why they don't like the ending.

"Jon Snow should have just agreed with Dany so they could reign together"

wat

Some of the #hottaeks on why Jon Snow didn't pet Ghost after the Battle of Winterfell are still being discussed in my office. 

"what kind of poopchute ignores his pet like that?!....rewrite the season"


Sadly, i'm not allowed to drink while on the job.

[AlioTheFool]

I'm pretty sure if the writers granted your every wish, you would've found something else to bitch about.

There's really no need to be a dick.

Plot holes are plot holes. Rushing the story to get it out the door was the artist's choice they decided to make. When you put your work out for public consumption, you do it with the expectation that it will endure criticism.

Did they make an epic show? Yes. Did they convert the intricate plot weavings of another writer to TV well? For years, yes. Was it a visual masterpiece? Certainly.

Did they leave a bunch of Chekov's guns lying around? Absolutely. Did they rush their ending and leave plot threads hanging and make overly sudden plot turns? Clearly.

I've said it before, I didn't have any "wishes" for the ending*, other than really great storytelling to get there. If the series would've ended after the Battle of Winterfell, I'd have likely have left overwhelmingly happy and forgiving of things left hanging at that point. But the Battle of Winterfell and the Battle of King's Landing could've been two complete seasons, and by not doing so, there was a lot of storytelling missed.



*I wanted Jon and Tyrion to survive the end, and to lesser degrees Arya and Sam, but even if they'd died, had it made sense for the story, I'd have been okay with it.

[Johnny English]

Did they leave a bunch of Chekov's guns lying around? Absolutely. Did they rush their ending and leave plot threads hanging and make overly sudden plot turns? Clearly.

You keep talking about Chekhov's Gun like it's an immutable rule of storytelling, but that's not the case and especially not in a huge sprawling world building exercise like GoT.

[MBGreen]

There's really no need to be a dick.

Plot holes are plot holes. Rushing the story to get it out the door was the artist's choice they decided to make. When you put your work out for public consumption, you do it with the expectation that it will endure criticism.

Did they make an epic show? Yes. Did they convert the intricate plot weavings of another writer to TV well? For years, yes. Was it a visual masterpiece? Certainly.

Did they leave a bunch of Chekov's guns lying around? Absolutely. Did they rush their ending and leave plot threads hanging and make overly sudden plot turns? Clearly.

I've said it before, I didn't have any "wishes" for the ending*, other than really great storytelling to get there. If the series would've ended after the Battle of Winterfell, I'd have likely have left overwhelmingly happy and forgiving of things left hanging at that point. But the Battle of Winterfell and the Battle of King's Landing could've been two complete seasons, and by not doing so, there was a lot of storytelling missed.



*I wanted Jon and Tyrion to survive the end, and to lesser degrees Arya and Sam, but even if they'd died, had it made sense for the story, I'd have been okay with it.

Well, it didn't go your way.  The series as whole was still awesome, and i thought the ending was great.  Was it perfect? Nope...but that's life.